Vaiko and Telugu
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Telugu Vaiko fights for Tamils
Hyderabad, July 11: Tamil Nadu has witnessed several non-Tamilians taking up the cause of Tamilians, but MDMK chief V Gopalasamy, popularly known as Vaiko, is different from all of them.
Vaiko, who was arrested by the Tamil Nadu government under the Pota on Thursday for openly supporting the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, is a Telugu by origin. His forefathers, supposed to be Naidus from southern Andhra Pradesh, settled in Tamil Nadu more than 150 years ago at Kalingappattai, a village in Tirunalveli district, which was once integrated with Circar districts of the erstwhile Andhra State.
According to Jnanpeeth awardee and Rajya Sabha member Dr C Narayana Reddy, Telugus had made the southern districts of Tamil Nadu their home right from the days of Nayaka kings, the most popular among being Thirumalai Nayaka and Viswanatha Nayaka of Tanjore, who ruled South India. During the time of the Vijayanagar rulers, especially Krishnadevaraya, too, many Telugus migrated to what is now Tamil Nadu.
“There are a number of Kamma Nayudus who went to Tamil Naidu and became part and parcel of that State and imbibed the local culture. They consider themselves Tamilians rather than Telugus now. The older generation may speak broken Telugu at times, but the younger generation has completely forgotten that they belong to Andhra Pradesh. Hence, there is no surprise in Vaiko taking up the cause of Tamilians,” Reddy said.
Vaiko is not the first Telugu by birth who is fighting for Tamil rights. The legendary Veerapandyakattabomman, who fought the British, was a Telugu by origin. So is DMK chief Muthuvel Karunanidhi, whose ancestors had roots in Andhra Pradesh.
“There is nothing objectionable if a non-Tamilian like Vaiko fights for the cause of Tamils. After all, Telugu and Tamil are part of the Dravidian culture. Many non-Tamils have integrated themselves with Tamilian culture.
As a matter of fact, Periyar Ramaswamy Naicker, who launched the Dravidian movement, was a Kannadiga. What is objectionable is that Vaiko is supporting the LTTE, which is a terrorist organisation,” noted journalist Cho Ramaswamy told Deccan Chronicle over phone from Chennai.
Former Vice-Chancellor of Telugu University N Gopi says it’s politics that matters, and Tamil Nadu politics is murkier. “So, if Vaiko talks about the LTTE, it is only for politics. Being a Telugu is not an issue here. The less we talk about Tamil politics, the better,” he said.
BJP State general secretary P Venugopal Reddy said Vaiko cannot claim to be a Telugu now, because he was born and brought up in Tamil Nadu and so were his parents. There is nothing Telugu left of him, he observed.
But, Vaiko, it is learnt, still speaks Telugu at home. He has a son and two daughters. The son married a distant relative and the ceremony was reportedly conducted in the traditional Telugu manner. The daughters are also said to have been married into families of Telugu origin.
When contacted, MDMK spokesman Nenmaran took strong objection to raising the issue of Vaiko’s Telugu background. “So far none of the Tamils here have thought of that aspect of Vaiko. You are unnecessarily raising a new issue,” he said.
Nenmaran said Vaiko never identified himself as a Telugu and right from the beginning had been fighting for the cause of Tamilians.
“His father had participated in the Periyar movement and his forefathers were Congress leaders in Tamil Nadu. So, there is nothing wrong if he takes up the cause of Tamils, wherever they are,” he said.
Reproduced from the Hindu Online edition
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- From: aSR (@ dsl.delhi.246.15.101.203.touchtelindia.net)
on: Sat Nov 13 02:05:13 EST 2004
Sorry to stop here due to lack of time. We should continue later in an appropriate thread. we should probably continue in the new forumhub later i guess. We can start a thread on Velirs and transfer all these contents in various threads in this forumhub into that thread. I remember to have read in some old threads some interesting bits written by greats like Manivannan, Chandra and Jaybee on this topic. Bye and hope we shall continue later.
- From: Anup(ARK). (@ chap254-046.resnet.stonybrook.edu)
on: Fri Dec 17 23:10:22
Its a long time since I posted last and this had become one of the older threads on this site. Maybe you could do what you suggested, and I would be interested in reading the responses as for me this topic is one that is pertinent even at the family level from at least one of my grandparents' sides.
Meantime, I had come across this "map" of KumariNadu on the Net: -
I do not know about "Lemuria", as it was more of an invention by "theosophists" like Blavatsky and Leadbeater, but there are very strikingly similar theories in modern science that seem to corroborate the legend of the sunken continent in the Indian Ocean. This site also was intriguing: -
Some of them might call it "continental drift" and put it at "millions of years", but it could just as well be the sinking of most of the subcontinent that connected Dravida with Madagascar and the rest of the islands in the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea, and not neccessarily as long ago as postulated.
One thing that is most remarkable in the case of many Indian legends is the astounding similarity that they have with what modern science often postulates - The legend of KumariNadu; Even the Matysa, Koorma, Varaha, Narasimha, Vamana and Bhargava Puranas; The Skanda Purana speaks of the disintegration of a continent in the Indian Ocean which is remarkably similar to the theory of Gondwanaland.
In the Ramayana, Ravana's Pushpaka Vimana was clearly the ultimate in every respect - capable of travel across all conceivable barriers posed by time and space and absolutely indestructable, the Dravida kingdoms esp Lanka which might have been in the western half of the Indian Ocean, had monuments that were hundreds of feet tall;
In the era of the Mahabharatha as well, there were the Brahmaastra, Naraynastra and Pasupatastra that were capable of destroying the entire Universe. And one cannot of course forget our cosmology and astronomy - the only one that speaks os earlier lives /Kalpas of the Universe that lasted trillions of years - and the Universe in its present life being billions of years old and the cycle of creation and destruction that goes on in a way very similar to the Big Bang Theory - that even Carl Sagan was full of praise for the "Hindu Intellect".
Its sad that many Indians themselves speak of things like the "Aryan Invasion" and talk in terms of Aryans and Dravidians - Hindus and non-Hindus - Brahmins and non-Brahmins - and Southies and Northies. The one minute connection between that pre-3500 to 3100 BC period and the present age and civilization lies in the surviving scriptures and texts, and many keep berating them.
Anyway, another very interesting link is here: -
Also look at: -
Its pretty interesting to see that there is a town by the name of "Chera", also one by the name of "Chozga" remarkably similar to Choza/Chola, and theres a "Palani" in the second webpage, I have not looked at other places in the site but there are lots of places that do not sound typically Islamic and are very Tamil/South-Indian sounding.
I am a student of Applied Mathematics in a certain Stony Brook University in New York, but I have always found Heritage related stuff very intriguing and its one of the greatest sources of sustenance for me. I would be obliged if you could start a thread on the Velirs like you said above. Bye for now.
- From: davie (@ ecc-24)
on: Sat Dec 18 09:43:01 EST 2004
ur another ignorant asol. u study applied mathematics and u cant even think logically.
ur too dumb to study applied math at stony.
anyways i am not gona teach u regarding this stuff.
no use of teaching u idiots.
be careful to maintain ur grades, if u think at this rate which is one of the pooooorest
- From: ARK(Anup). (@ chap254-224.resnet.stonybrook.edu)
on: Sat Dec 18 14:34:37 EST 2004
Hello there, I do not need any certification from an a**-hole like you - neither in my ideas of Heritage nor in my estimation of my logical and intellectual faculties. Who the hell do you think you are - and what the hell were you going to explain and deciding that its futile? In the first place, are you and Indian or from some other place? I would expect only Chinese or English pigs and dogs to react the way you did, for these two infinitely inferior nth grade races have always sought to highlight their s*hitty "heritage" and put down India's and others'.
Though as I said I do not need to take any certification from or give any clarification to you, may I know what caused you to say what you did? Or you need to take back what you said.
- From: davie (@ ecc-24)
on: Sat Dec 18 15:03:55 EST 2004
lumuria remove that lem from that word. :) u piece of shcttttttttttttttttttttttt
- From: davie (@ ecc-24)
on: Sat Dec 18 15:26:12 EST 2004
wat a shitty posting u dumbarse.
u say that continental drift occurs at time period of millions of years. yea then why da hell that dumb posting. ur a real retard.
there is a limit to imagination but not to the extent uve imagined.
- From: davie (@ ecc-24)
on: Sat Dec 18 15:27:07 EST 2004
dont be shchtting around. go and do something useful.
- From: madras manathe (@ dialpool-210-214-27-167.maa.sify.net)
on: Tue Dec 21 01:01:34 EST 2004
Vaiko is a Telugu
- From: lol (@ rock-9149tikpam)
on: Thu Dec 30 05:14:06 EST 2004
anyways the srilakan monkeys are dead because of sunami
- From: sunami (@ rock-9149tikpam)
on: Thu Dec 30 05:14:35 EST 2004
- From: jeyan (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Sat Jan 1 14:21:43 EST 2005
In Ilankai the tamils respect only two leaders as true tamils who thought and think that tamilnadu has a vital role to play in safe guarding tamil in other parts of the world. one is MGR and the other is Vaiko.
- From: tamilan (@ illchn-static-184.108.40.206.vsnl.net.in)
on: Tue Jan 4 02:40:35 EST 2005
But both the fellows are not tamilian. one is a malayali and one is a telugu. Don't call them tamil leaders and insult tamils.
- From: madras manathe (@ dialpool-210-214-48-127.maa.sify.net)
on: Sat Jan 8 12:28:57 EST 2005
Well said Thamizhan
- From: Vijayan (@ illchn-static-220.127.116.11.vsnl.net.in)
on: Thu Jan 13 07:38:44 EST 2005
He is only the Fellow to Lead the Tamil Nadu. He has only having the Power to lead the Youngers. I Like Too much Vaiko. Vaiko is only the Political hero of TamilNadu.
- From: madras manathe (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Wed Jan 19 00:00:24 EST 2005
But he is a Telugu
- From: TT (@ ptil-179-165-chn.primus-india.net)
on: Fri Jan 28 09:37:32 EST 2005
Whoever speaks Telugu, Malayalam, Kannanda and minor derivatives of these languages are originally Tamils.
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