'Yudham Sei' is an upcoming crime thriller written and directed by Mysskin. It stars director Cheran in the lead role of an intelligence police officer along with debutant Dipa Shah. The story is about a CBI police officer in search of a serial killer. Deepa Sha will be seen as an assistant to Cheran. Director Marimuthu who burst on the scene with the film 'Kannum Kannum' plays the second officer to Cheran.
Early 2010, once his planned film with Kamal Haasan was dropped, Mysskin didn’t want to waste the time and immediately announced ‘Yudham Sei’ for producer Kalpathi Agoram.
When the film was announced there was a buzz saying it is a sequel to ‘Anjathey’. But the producer of ‘Anjathey’ Namichand Jhabak denied and said the similarity in the two films is limited only to the hero playing a cop and nothing beyond. He also said that he has not given the rights to make a sequel to anyone.
The other major stars of ‘Yudham Sei’ are Y. Gee. Mahendra, Lakshmi Ramakrishnan, Jayaprakash, Marimuthu, Yugendran and Shruthi.
Sources say Y Gee Mahendran is playing a role which he has never done before and it would shock and surprise the audience simultaneously. Actress Lakshmi Ramakrishnan is said to have tonsured her head for her ‘once in a lifetime role’ in the film.
Like Mysskin’s all other films, this too has a trademark kuthu song and the song features Director Ameer, Neetu Chandra and writer Charu Nivedita dancing for a ‘gaana kuthu’ song. Interestingly the lady in the song Neethu Chandra will also be seen in yellow sari as Malavika and Snigdha in Chithiram Pesuthadi and Anjathey respectively.
Mysking who introduced Sundar C Babu in Anjathey is introducing another music director Krishna Kumar with ‘Yudham Sei. Krishna Kumar has changed his name to ‘Ke’ for films. Ke has made the music for many short films and documentaries.
Sathya who was an assistant of P C Sriram is handling the camera. Action Prakash is in charge of stunts. ‘Chitthiram Paesudhadi’ Amaran handles Art Direction.
‘Yudham Sei’ is an anticipated film, more so because of the coming together of two classy film makers -Cheran and Mysskin. Rajinikanth who saw an exclusive premiere of ‘Yutham Sei’ recently was very impressed by the film. Rajini felt the film is too good and would definitely work big time with the audiences.
The audio of ‘Yudham Sei’ is being released on January 23 and the film will hit the theatres across the world on February 4.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...iew/12110.html
Yuddham Sei by Mysskin+Cheran
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From: Siv.S on 23rd January 2011 03:29 PM [Full View]
Superstar Rajinikanth, immensely impressed with Mysskin’s Yudham Sei, has praised the film generously. He was all praise for Mysskin, Cheran and the team of Yuddham Sei, after watching a special screening of the movie, which was held exclusively at the residence of producer Kalpathi S Agoram in Chennai.
Yuddham Sei, directed by Mysskin, is a nail-biting cop story, and has Cheran in the lead, playing a CBI officer. Produced by AGS Films, the movie will be released soon.
Rajinikanth and his wife Latha watched the special screening of the movie at a special state-of-the-art Qube Facility theatre producer Kalpathy Agoram’s house.
Impressed with the movie, he has said, “It is different and entertaining. It is a well-made movie and I am thrilled after seeing it.” He also added, “Though I have seen many cop stories, Yudham Sei is unique. Cheran has played his role with ease and Mysskin has directed the film well.”
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Ra...am-Sei/739627/
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From: jinju on 23rd January 2011 03:51 PM [Full View]
good good. Indian cinema historyla idam pidikkra maadhiri oru action sequence irukkaama padathula, director interviewla sonnaar.
all the best!
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From: ajaybaskar on 23rd January 2011 05:25 PM [Full View]
Trailer looks promising!!
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From: gurusaravanan on 23rd January 2011 05:35 PM [Full View]
Yeah.. Trailer looks good
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From: Nerd on 23rd January 2011 09:21 PM [Full View]
Trailer link?
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From: interz on 23rd January 2011 09:47 PM [Full View]
looking forward to watch the movie (if its under 3 hours), trimming and editing must be super to suit the audience today.
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From: Siv.S on 23rd January 2011 10:20 PM [Full View]
Kalaignar TV-la paathen.. innum net-la varala pola maaps..
Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: Nerd on 24th January 2011 12:12 AM [Full View]
Saw the telecast. Trailer was good. Typical Mysskin. Looking forward
Mysskin's next with Arya
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From: Riyazz on 24th January 2011 10:14 AM [Full View]
மூன்றேகால் மணி நேர 'யுத்தம் செய்'
-கவலைப்படும் ரசிகர்கள்!
Last Updated 12:10 Hrs [IST], January 22, 2011
அழுது வடிந்த சேரனை ஆக்ஷன் சேரனாக்கிவிட்டார் மிஷ்கின். இவர் இயக்கத்தில் வெளிவந்திருக்கும் யுத்தம் செய் படத்தில் போலீஸ் அதிகாரியாக நடிக்கிறார் சேரன். நகரத்தில் தொலைந்து போகிற பெண்களை தேடி புறப்படுகிற இந்த போலீஸ் அதிகாரி சந்திக்கும் சவால்கள்தான் கதை. இதிலும் கண்ணீர் சென்ட்டிமென்ட் இருக்கிறதாம் இவருக்கு.
கடந்த சில தினங்களுக்கு முன் திரையுலக பிரபலங்களுக்கு படத்தை போட்டுக் காட்டி இன்புற்றார் மிஷ்கின். உதயநிதி ஸ்டாலின், சத்யராஜ் உள்ளிட்ட ஏராளமான பிரபலங்கள் வந்திருந்தார்கள் படம் பார்க்க.
இவர்களுடன் இன்னும் ஏராளமானவர்கள் உள்ளே அனுப்பப்பட்டனர். அதன் விளைவு? படத்தின் கதையே வெளியே கசிந்துவிட்டது. அது கசிந்தால் கூட பரவாயில்லை. படம் கிட்டதட்ட மூன்றேகால் மணி நேரம் ஓடுகிறதாம். இந்த தகவல்தான் யுத்தம் செய் படத்தை எதிர்பார்த்து காத்திருக்கும் ரசிகர்களை கலங்கடித்திருக்கிறது.
சமீபத்தில் வெளிவந்த மூன்று மணி நேரத்தை தாண்டி ஓடுகிற படங்கள் எல்லாவற்றையும் ரசிகர்களின் கொட்டாவியை கருத்தில் கொண்டு வெட்ட வேண்டிய சூழ்நிலைக்கு ஆளானார்கள் இயக்குனர்கள். மிஷ்கினின் லேட்டஸ்ட் படமான நந்தலாலா கூட இதற்கு விதிவிலக்கு இல்லை. இப்போது மறுபடியும் அதே கால அளவில் ஒரு படம்.
எங்கேப்பா அந்த கத்தரி? கொஞ்சம் சாணை புடிச்சு வைங்க!
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/...an/220111c.asp
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From: Anban on 24th January 2011 01:56 PM [Full View]
OMG what an awesome prelude.. athukku apparam masala thaan.. chaaru face-e kaanom?? call sheet waste pannittaangala?? Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
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From: ajaybaskar on 24th January 2011 02:25 PM [Full View]
Vetti thookki eri(chchu)njurupparu Mysskin.
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From: jinju on 24th January 2011 02:41 PM [Full View]
songs are good, this K guy has a future for sure. has good command and feel over the traditional music instruments
Kannitheevu Ponna sounds the typical Myshkin kutthu song with the yellow saree to boot, if one goes by the visuals...as Anban mentioned above, the prelude is fantastic with the 'thaa na naa' bit with some harmonium potti backing. but i don't agree with some of the lyrics used but it's song that serves its purpose alright.
Araaro Areeraaro sung by Myshkin himself (does an okay job, it's easy to see that his inspiration is from THE MAN!). awesome usage of flute here....the song just flows if one gets used to Myshkin's uncoventional voice...meesicals can find similarities with the maestro's old songs of the thaalaattu genre. anyways
Kabhi Jind - Raqueeb Alam, the ARR fav is here, and does an awesome job with a soulful hindi song in a tamil film! second interlude-la flute pramaadham. total song, ore ghazal mayam! sooberabbu.
Vedham Pudhumai Sei - a Mahakavi Bharathiyar kavithai rendered by Myshkin...used at an important moment in the film one feels.
also in the album, a few instrumental Themes named A Tale, Box, Life, Chaos, Hope...all showcasing the MD's proficiency in usage of varied instruments like Violin, Harmonium, Piano, Flute, etc., and fitting in with the film's premise also I think.
way to go, Mr. K! quite a surprisingly complete album for a supposedly action film, but then Myshkin is not someone who constricts himself within a genre! To me, this is what a movie OST shud sound like...I've got the audio CDs of all Myshkin films till now, and I am buying this album too!
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From: Cinemarasigan on 24th January 2011 06:31 PM [Full View]
Re: Yuddham Sei by Mysskin+Cheran
Indha Saaru dance aaduradhai pakkaradhukkaagavae nAn idhai romba edhirpArkkiraen.. Originally Posted by Siv.S
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From: San_K on 24th January 2011 06:49 PM [Full View]
sathama solladheenga. ungala thittu oru pathiu pathinjiduporaru
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From: Anban on 24th January 2011 07:15 PM [Full View]
Re: Yuddham Sei by Mysskin+Cheran
paattu video thaan release aayiduche .. CHaru writer-ngrathanaala, avaroda viral mattum thaan kaamichurukkaanga.. Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
Indha Saaru dance aaduradhai pakkaradhukkaagavae nAn idhai romba edhirpArkkiraen.. Originally Posted by Siv.S
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From: San_K on 24th January 2011 07:26 PM [Full View]
@Anban
r u kidding?
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From: Nerd on 24th January 2011 07:44 PM [Full View]
2-3 milliseconds moonjum theriyudhE.. He is the one playing that Harmonium correct-aa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWt9HLmqB20
K's wind instruments usage is sure inspired by Raja sir. Haven't listened to other songs and I will be damned if he does not cite Sir as one of his influences. Thambi periya aaLaa vara vaazhthukkaL.
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From: venkkiram on 24th January 2011 08:11 PM [Full View]
+1. Originally Posted by Nerd
பாடல்களை தேர்வு செய்வதில் மிஷ்கினிடம் ரசனையுள்ள இசைக் கலைஞன் இருக்கிறான் போல.
வரிகளும் நல்லாயிருக்கு..
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From: San_K on 24th January 2011 09:32 PM [Full View]
technology avvalvu munneriducha Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: sureshmehcnit on 24th January 2011 10:05 PM [Full View]
*removed*
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From: hattori_hanzo on 4th February 2011 01:48 PM [Full View]
Has anyone seen this movie yet? Expecting some good reviews.
I saw a twitter update saying the movie is amazing till interval...this person has posted his update from the theatre, during interval
I hope the rest of the movie is good too.
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From: complicateur on 4th February 2011 02:05 PM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
K is a severely young chap. Very nice. And you're quite right he is a big Raaja fan. Most of our conversation was spent discussing the man's music.
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From: gurusaravanan on 4th February 2011 04:35 PM [Full View]
Pavithra tweets loved first half with good twists .. 2nd half japanese vaada?
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From: gurusaravanan on 4th February 2011 04:36 PM [Full View]
Film s out on the net
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From: SoftSword on 4th February 2011 04:48 PM [Full View]
adappaavingala... whn is the actual release?
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From: Nerd on 4th February 2011 04:59 PM [Full View]
Hey thanks Compli
Pavithrasri tweets - PavithraSri @mitianaero: Cheran - usual, brooding self. Not much tears. Wouldn't rate it better than Anjathey. Is actually very similar to Eesan. 
1 minute ago*in reply to mitianaero
Not as good as anjathey it seems..
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From: Mahen on 4th February 2011 05:04 PM [Full View]
ippo pavithara oda tweets ellam follow pannuringala
Anjathey was an ok movie for me, so i guess this is also an ok movie
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From: Nerd on 4th February 2011 05:25 PM [Full View]
Reveeewers tuits ellaam follow panna vENdiyadhu dhaan only for expetted films.. vera enna velai
Sify - Average
Suththam.
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th February 2011 06:49 PM [Full View]
Got a feedback from a friend that the film lacks the pace which murder mysteries normally have.
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From: MumbaiRamki on 4th February 2011 07:19 PM [Full View]
Ok ..saw thw film ..
1) The film , as per me is a Myskin's version of Eesan within anjathey format.
2) All mandatory identifiers like Realistic policeman life, overuse of top & foot level framing, yellow clad woman's kuthu, antagonist with mottai , protagonist's personal connection with the mystery are all there . Speaking of realistic policeman life, you will find cheran a CID officer carrying tea for the auto drivers in scene to make this point !
3) The antagonist - both the family & policemen are weak in characterisations , unlike the daya character in Anjathey .
4) Mysskin will probably be the only director who has developed an uniqueness thats separate from the current flock of directors .
5) Cheran has fit to the T for the CID , with no heroisms , mellowing down when his personal tragedy comes in contact with the mystery and investigating crimes as a day to day event . Perfect !
6) background score was so similar to Anjathey - but still it was ok . The use of silence in second half is appreciated .
7) Agreed , mysskin wants to make anjathey-2 like film - but should the hoodlums come one by one as in anjathey and get smashed by cheran ? silliness !!
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From: Nerd on 4th February 2011 07:25 PM [Full View]
Sridhar Thollai's tueet: Yuddham Sei- 2.5/5. 2 long drawn out and sags. Best scene in the film- Cheran with the help of a nail cutter takes on half a dozen goons!
Whoa
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From: SoftSword on 4th February 2011 07:25 PM [Full View]
yen ellaarum eesan'a solranga....
eesan kadhayoda karu've verayaache...
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From: kid-glove on 4th February 2011 07:27 PM [Full View]
Oldboy hammer scene madhiri raw-a irundha seri. Originally Posted by Nerd
Sridhar Thollai's tueet: Yuddham Sei- 2.5/5. 2 long drawn out and sags. Best scene in the film- Cheran with the help of a nail cutter takes on half a dozen goons!
Whoa
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From: Nerd on 4th February 2011 07:28 PM [Full View]
I think this one will be good too. I was sort of amused. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: MumbaiRamki on 4th February 2011 07:30 PM [Full View]
SPOILERS in white ......
Both have a family in revenge of a raped girl and a police officer in investigation, with a bigshot in nexus with policemen. This way the similarity ends with Esan and the treatment is given in Anjathey style
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From: kid-glove on 4th February 2011 07:31 PM [Full View]
And no comparisons to "Memories of Murder" so far. Kood! Irundhalum thappu illa. Mysskin has his own visual style to imprint his signature. But the 'Easan' comparison put me off.
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th February 2011 07:36 PM [Full View]
2 perum orey padatha adichuttangala? Kid, ungakitta irundhu edho oru korean/argentine film thappiduchu. Kandupidippom!!
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From: kid-glove on 4th February 2011 07:39 PM [Full View]
purila Ajay. Enna Argentine film?
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th February 2011 07:41 PM [Full View]
U recommended few murder mysteries some time back. That had an argentine film "Secret in their eyes'.
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From: kid-glove on 4th February 2011 07:43 PM [Full View]
Oh okay. Aahaa.. That's a police procedural too!
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From: SoftSword on 4th February 2011 07:47 PM [Full View]
you said spoilers are in while. but when i did select-all it shows in blue... Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
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From: Nerd on 4th February 2011 07:47 PM [Full View]
Predominantly positive reviews in twitter.
Anyway Eesan koodavellaam
Mysskin would have made even a 'Eesan' eminently watchable.
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From: Nerd on 4th February 2011 07:48 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by SoftSword
you said spoilers are in while. but when i did select-all it shows in blue... naan edhO aarvakOlaarula family nu padicha udanE mouse-a release pannitten
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 4th February 2011 07:51 PM [Full View]
So mysskin is on his way to become an appatakkar good!
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From: Mahen on 4th February 2011 07:52 PM [Full View]
Which is better? Eesan or YS? i have already watched Eesan, felt it was ok..not bad Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
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From: Nerd on 4th February 2011 07:53 PM [Full View]
What is appatakkar? Have seen it used elsewhere..
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th February 2011 07:54 PM [Full View]
Sandhanam referring Chitra Lakshmanan in BEB
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th February 2011 08:19 PM [Full View]
Hubber raghavendran's take..
"supera irukku...very good crime thriller"
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From: Siv.S on 4th February 2011 08:21 PM [Full View]
Comparing with Eesan
Nethu than antha padathai paathen ..Eesan is very ordinary making..Performance-la sollave venaam.. Subbi-laye sothappal.. ithula athai vida kodumai.
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From: HonestRaj on 4th February 2011 08:27 PM [Full View]
yes.. sariya sonneenga siv Originally Posted by Siv.S
Comparing with Eesan Nethu than antha padathai paathen ..Eesan is very ordinary making..Performance-la sollave venaam.. Subbi-laye sothappal.. ithula athai vida kodumai.
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From: HonestRaj on 4th February 2011 08:27 PM [Full View]
Raghav yEn inge varradhillai? Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: MumbaiRamki on 4th February 2011 08:49 PM [Full View]
I have seen both. YS is far better in treatment .... U can feel the difference in treatment ! Originally Posted by Mahen
Which is better? Eesan or YS? i have already watched Eesan, felt it was ok..not bad
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From: venkkiram on 4th February 2011 09:02 PM [Full View]
இதான் வாய்ப்பு என யுத்தம் செய் படத்தை சாரு கிழிச்சி காயப்போட போறாரு! இடம் கொடுத்துட்டாரே மிஷ்கின்!
Anyway, Better luck next time Myshkin!
உங்க மேல இருக்கிற நம்பிக்கை இதனால் குறைந்தது போக வில்லை.
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From: SoftSword on 4th February 2011 09:12 PM [Full View]
but sakala mentioned appatakkar in the meaning of uruppudaama poitrukkaar... Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: gurusaravanan on 4th February 2011 10:59 PM [Full View]
its me,,,,,,,,,,,, Originally Posted by Nerd
Hey thanks Compli
Pavithrasri tweets - PavithraSri @mitianaero: Cheran - usual, brooding self. Not much tears. Wouldn't rate it better than Anjathey. Is actually very similar to Eesan.
1 minute ago*in reply to mitianaero
Not as good as anjathey it seems..
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From: hattori_hanzo on 5th February 2011 01:29 PM [Full View]
A good movie with many pluses and many minuses too. It is definitely not for the frontbenchers as one needs some patience to watch this slow-paced movie. In the first half, one twist in the story leads to another, thereby several sub-plots get revealed one after another. Better go to the theater without reading any reviews. You'll be surprised by the ending, for sure.
I agree with some of the points mentioned by Mumbai Ramki here:
2) All mandatory identifiers like Realistic policeman life, overuse of top & foot level framing, yellow clad woman's kuthu, antagonist with mottai , protagonist's personal connection with the mystery are all there . Speaking of realistic policeman life, you will find cheran a CID officer carrying tea for the auto drivers in scene to make this point !
Overuse of top & foot level framing - OMG! We know Mysskin is an expert in this, but when every scene in a movie is pictured in the same way, it gets too annoying.
Similarly, Yudham Sei has several stretched scenes. For instance, some characters walk from one end of the frame to the other and every step they take is painstakingly shown to the audience. You dont need to show this as it doesnt serve any purpose but only increases the length of the film. Some repeated scenes could have been trimmed.
3) The antagonist - both the family & policemen are weak in characterisations , unlike the daya character in Anjathey .
I do not agree. The policemen are weak but the family - especially the wife, isnt. Anjadhe Daya was a badly made character.
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From: hattori_hanzo on 5th February 2011 02:10 PM [Full View]
Yudhdham Sei has several scenes which are very well made. Some of them>
1) Judas's final speech
2) The entire jewelry shop episode
3) Cheran and his senior on phone with the antagonists & Cheran's dilemma
4) The wife in Action
Cinematography definitely deserves a praise, though overused as I said before. Here are few notable scenes, something never seen before in TFI:
The watermelon vendor opening his shop, outside Ashok Nagar police station. This is again a 2 minute scene which is shot very well.
&
Sweeper discovering the box inside a subway. The way the camera moves and reveals the box is superb.
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From: hattori_hanzo on 5th February 2011 02:17 PM [Full View]
On the whole, YS, IMO is a must watch. I expected a thriller and was more than satisfied with it. BO wise, I dont think it will perform well. I heard a lot of cat calls in the theatre. Though the way it is made is similar to Anjadhe, YS is more like an arthouse movie. Odina periya vishayam! The only song, Kannitheevu Ponna is a letdown. Neither picturised well nor a foot tapping number. But the BGM(Music by K) suits the movie's tempo and mood well.
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From: jinju on 5th February 2011 02:51 PM [Full View]
thanks hattori. some posts in this thread put a doubt on whether i shud be heading to watch this tonight. neenga must watch-nu sollitteengale.
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From: printhan on 5th February 2011 02:52 PM [Full View]
seems like a good movie.. UKla release akela.. should wait for DVD..
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From: Anban on 5th February 2011 03:38 PM [Full View]
but for the camera angle cliches, its brilliant !!
btw.. what a super album !! the next big thing is here..
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 5th February 2011 03:43 PM [Full View]
Illeeng! Santhaanam will say something like "avlo periya appaatakkaraa nee" meaning "Avlo periya aaLaa nee" So Appaatakkar is praising only Originally Posted by SoftSword
I put that to say Mysskin is on his way becoming a uruppadiyaana dairaktaer!
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From: Thirumaran on 5th February 2011 08:08 PM [Full View]
Saw the movie along with Sathya, Sarna and his friend.
Brilliantly made Crime Thriller. Myskin I would say must watch.
Certain scenes very brilliantly made. Can be discussed later. Some minuses there. But less.
Now he joins in my list of directors who should not be missed out.
Kamal for certain has to do movies with people like him (thaan mattum thaan periya arivaali ngra ennaththa vittuttu).
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From: sathya_1979 on 5th February 2011 08:20 PM [Full View]
+1, with every movie, my respect for Myskin as a film-maker grows. Cheran, superb Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Saw the movie along with Sathya, Sarna and his friend.
Brilliantly made Crime Thriller. Myskin I would say must watch.
Certain scenes very brilliantly made. Can be discussed later. Some minuses there. But less.
Now he joins in my list of directors who should not be missed out.
Kamal for certain has to do movies with people like him (thaan mattum thaan periya arivaali ngra ennaththa vittuttu). YGM's wife character kaNNula thaNNi vara vechitaanga.
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From: printhan on 5th February 2011 08:25 PM [Full View]
for you reviews... inga release anaal kaddayam paakiran
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From: Thirumaran on 5th February 2011 08:28 PM [Full View]
Sathya yes. Some untouched things in Tamil Cinema. sila vishayatha a open aa kaamichchu ellaarayum mugam sulikka vaikkaaama, athe impact kondu vara mudiyum nnu he has proved again.
Album na niraya songs aa? Movie la just one song and that too for the situation. Originally Posted by Anban
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From: sathya_1979 on 5th February 2011 08:33 PM [Full View]
yes, even without showing blood splashing, gore, rape etc openly, Myskin is able to impart the pain and feelings of victims on the audience. Really a very good talent
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From: littlemaster1982 on 5th February 2011 08:38 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
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From: Dhakshan on 5th February 2011 08:40 PM [Full View]
+1.
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From: hattori_hanzo on 5th February 2011 08:50 PM [Full View]
Yes Jinju, for those who like to watch good cinema, YS is a treat. Originally Posted by jinju
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From: Arvind Srinivasan on 5th February 2011 10:21 PM [Full View]
Very good attempt. Except the climax and few other scenes in the second half , i really liked the film. While at first i had my apprehensions over cheran enacting a role of a cid officer i feel he has done a commendable job. But the real scene stealer for me was jayaprakash. His scene in the second half just before the climax and his dialogue delivery are testimony to that. Over all went home happy after watching a good film.
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From: hamid on 6th February 2011 12:00 AM [Full View]
Watched it @mayajaal.. (Half of the hall was empty )
Gripping movie.. a must watch.. though there are some logical nerudals, I am happy to accept those for the kind of execution.. Gripping till the end.. Definitely not an easy job..
"K" - periya appatakkara varuva..
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From: sathya_1979 on 6th February 2011 12:11 AM [Full View]
Hamid enga kooda varrenu sollittu thaniyaa escape aayiteenga
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From: hamid on 6th February 2011 12:26 AM [Full View]
allov..evening show polaamnu sonnen TM kitta.. you guys left me and saw the movie.. Originally Posted by sathya_1979
Hamid enga kooda varrenu sollittu thaniyaa escape aayiteenga naanthaan podanum
Thaniya ellam escape aakala.. went with my Family and in laws.. everyone liked the movie
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From: gurusaravanan on 6th February 2011 12:34 AM [Full View]
Yudham sei~must watch movie.. Cried after watching the climax..hats off to myskkin..sir..
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From: sathya_1979 on 6th February 2011 12:35 AM [Full View]
evening show ticket kedaikkala, adhaan sudden plan for matinee show.
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From: ilayapuyalvinodh_kumar on 6th February 2011 01:31 AM [Full View]
What a film !! Myskkin does it again !
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From: balaajeeMariyappan on 6th February 2011 02:38 AM [Full View]
same base story line
Both have same base story line, but treatment is entirely different. To me both movies are MUST WATCH Originally Posted by Mahen
Which is better? Eesan or YS? i have already watched Eesan, felt it was ok..not bad
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From: balaajeeMariyappan on 6th February 2011 02:47 AM [Full View]
I totally agree Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Saw the movie along with Sathya, Sarna and his friend.
Brilliantly made Crime Thriller. Myskin I would say must watch.
Certain scenes very brilliantly made. Can be discussed later. Some minuses there. But less.
Now he joins in my list of directors who should not be missed out.
Kamal for certain has to do movies with people like him (thaan mattum thaan periya arivaali ngra ennaththa vittuttu).
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From: Anban on 6th February 2011 03:52 AM [Full View]
Kamal, thaan mattum thaan periya arivaali unga kitta eppo sonaaru??
ithellaam pucca "sombu crowd" mentality..
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From: Mahen on 6th February 2011 07:27 AM [Full View]
Movie not released here
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From: Arvind Srinivasan on 6th February 2011 10:01 AM [Full View]
btw is the villain selva? , the guy who acted as a hero in many movies, most notably M.KArunanaidhi's madurai menakshi
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From: ajithfederer on 6th February 2011 10:13 AM [Full View]
...
Originally Posted by Arvind Srinivasan
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From: Arvind Srinivasan on 6th February 2011 11:48 AM [Full View]
vera vazhi teriyalae....enna pnadrathu...yaarukkum nyaabagaagum illa Originally Posted by ajithfederer
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From: Sid_316 on 6th February 2011 03:35 PM [Full View]
Mysskin enna than romba pesanalum gethu pandraN B-) good film
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From: gurusaravanan on 6th February 2011 05:37 PM [Full View]
+ 1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Originally Posted by Sid_316
Mysskin enna than romba pesanalum gethu pandraN B-) good film
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 6th February 2011 06:30 PM [Full View]
onlynikil Nikil Murugan
Dir.Cheran is Organising an spl show of his latest hit film Yudham sei to his Facebook,Twitter friends.this is an 1st of its Kind.Good One
:superb:
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From: villan007 on 6th February 2011 06:53 PM [Full View]
for all those who cry about GVM's and vetrimaran's peter dialogues..how diff they are from Mysskin?
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From: villan007 on 6th February 2011 06:57 PM [Full View]
also there was a reference to Rashomon.. Virumandi nu solliruntha ellarukum easy-a purinjirukum..theva illatha peterness
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From: HonestRaj on 6th February 2011 07:16 PM [Full View]
ellarukkum purinjutta appuram avanukku enna madhippu Originally Posted by villan007
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From: Anban on 6th February 2011 08:41 PM [Full View]
renduthukkum periya vithiyaasam irukku.. Myshkin- is really a very well read person.. Vettrimaaran is trying to show off that he is also like that.. Originally Posted by villan007
for all those who cry about GVM's and vetrimaran's peter dialogues..how diff they are from Mysskin?
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From: kid-glove on 6th February 2011 08:47 PM [Full View]
But isn't that your own impression? The guy had done a literature degree. Mysskin worked in Landmark. You decide !
Just kidding. I just don't see grounds of skepticism about Vetri's depth in cinema and literature. Often, these guys resort to english because their mind works in that language.
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From: Anban on 6th February 2011 08:59 PM [Full View]
There is a difference between 'well-read' and 'educated' .. not even 10% of the educated will be well-read... Myshkin's English doesnt bother me as much as Vettrimaaran's.. Vettrimaaran's peters have no relevance like using 'choir' music for a 'local setting'.. Myshkin's peters do make the impact that is relevant.. thats all... ithukku mela makkal-lukku purialainu, naan onnum panna mudiyaathu.. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: kid-glove on 6th February 2011 09:09 PM [Full View]
Fair enough.
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From: hattori_hanzo on 7th February 2011 10:50 AM [Full View]
Yes thats him. Isnt he Dr.Rajashekar's brother? Originally Posted by Arvind Srinivasan
(Sorry folks, saw that this thread is pushed to the second page and desperately wanted to move it up to trigger more discussions)
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From: selvamohankumar on 7th February 2011 10:59 AM [Full View]
WHo are they as per u! Couldnt get PLease Ellobrate? Originally Posted by Anban
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From: Plum on 7th February 2011 11:01 AM [Full View]
Actually, +1 to this. He has actually acted in GVM and is giving the time of his day to Selva now. Nevertheless, why would you accuse him of snobbishness if he doesnt act in their movies? Should he subscribe tot he general TN fublic's opinion of who a current, good director is? Can he not have his own evaluations and standards? Originally Posted by Anban
If the whole of TN except him feels that Selva et al are great directors and he needs to work with Selva, and he doesn't do that because their cinema doesnt measure up to his standards, that is still his prerogative.
Again, I respond only because of the "standard definiton of humility" subtly being invoked here. :effigy_burning: - of commonly acceptable "Standards of Humility In Tamilnadu". Yes, that is a contrived acronym.
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From: balaajeeMariyappan on 7th February 2011 01:11 PM [Full View]
Before Dasavatharam’s release on NDTV, who the best screenwriter in India, Kamal Hassan said without a pause, “I am the best" Originally Posted by Anban
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From: raajarasigan on 7th February 2011 01:18 PM [Full View]
Please elaborate what he said after "I am the best". I am sure he must have justified in the right context. He is the one who never claims that he is the master of something but very humble to accept as a student of cinema. En friend kooda singara velan paattai paartha "ivarukku ella instrumentum vaasikka theriyumnu kaattikkaraaru'nu solluvan...ellam naama paakkura vidhathula than irukku...
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From: Plum on 7th February 2011 02:55 PM [Full View]
And bully to him for that. What do you expect? "I am nothing in front of Amitabh Bachchan" or "I am nothing in front of Anurag Kashyap". andha mAdhiri faux humilitykku vERa ALai pArunga
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From: Movie Cop on 7th February 2011 03:05 PM [Full View]
#1. I seriously doubt, if Kamal would have said like that as a "blanket statement" and I think the above claim is untrue. As RR said, assuming even if he said "I am the best", there would have been some context to it. Originally Posted by balaajeeMariyappan
#2. Even if he said that a "blanket statement" w/o any context - what is wrong or criminal about it?
Indhe "Humility/Modesty paadhukaavalaga Sangam"-uhh ban pannanumappa!
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From: Movie Cop on 7th February 2011 03:10 PM [Full View]
And yeah anyday, as a cinema fan/consumer, I'd prefer taking an over-confident (trending towards arrogance) genius over a modest/humble trash-bag.
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From: kid-glove on 7th February 2011 03:12 PM [Full View]
+1 mbaingalE Originally Posted by Plum
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From: gurusaravanan on 7th February 2011 05:56 PM [Full View]
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From: Arvind Srinivasan on 7th February 2011 07:46 PM [Full View]
Even i saw that interview, balaji. The interviewer asked kamal as to how much he would rate himself as a screenwriter to which kamal replied that "he is good and one of the best in india". I don't think he ever meant outrightly that he is the best. I think it was just a honest answer without any mincing of words. Originally Posted by balaajeeMariyappan
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From: arthi2780 on 8th February 2011 04:38 AM [Full View]
Good that this year started with some good movies : Yudham Sei, Adukallam, No one killed Jesica ... hope more will come. Last year end was fabulous also, with Endhiran (even though its a commerciale film, that was a brave attempt), Eesan.
Yudham Sei : No one seems to talk about Jayaprakash. He is giving more and more "next door man" act. What dialogue delivery and voice modulation. I was missing Nasser as a character artist lately, happy that Jayaprakash is around.
Has anyone noted : The director had several scenes as Tennis matches. 1. The intro talk of Cheran with his boss - the camera moving from cheran to his boss and the computer screen serving as a net. 2. Real tennis game. 3. The Song "parakkum panthu parakkum". 4. The police comissioner talking behind the netted police jeep and the camera moving as though we see him behind a tennis net. ...
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From: balaajeeMariyappan on 8th February 2011 11:15 AM [Full View]
Audience in theater clapped for scence change over (in police station change over between the police officer flashback explanation & return of the police constable with tea.).
Music Director's RR is excellent- Hats off (thanks Misskin for not having IR), please watch in good theater to get the most of it.
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From: raajarasigan on 8th February 2011 01:23 PM [Full View]
Why ? Originally Posted by balaajeeMariyappan
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From: balaajee on 8th February 2011 01:55 PM [Full View]
I too like IR in regards to RR( my favourate is mudhal mariyadhai- The flute flying in air, when to death body of ranjani found & his husband running....). RR of YS is Fresh(eg:when Cheran starts to chase the person from mansion), i just thanked for discovering new talent. Originally Posted by raajarasigan
Why ?
thanks Misskin for not having IR, If it hurt you will take back my words.
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From: Sarna on 8th February 2011 01:55 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Saw the movie along with Sathya, Sarna and his friend.
Brilliantly made Crime Thriller. Myskin I would say must watch.
Certain scenes very brilliantly made. Can be discussed later. Some minuses there. But less.
Now he joins in my list of directors who should not be missed out.
Kamal for certain has to do movies with people like him (thaan mattum thaan periya arivaali ngra ennaththa vittuttu). actually adha kamal solradhilla.... but kamal bakthakodigal do
yudham sei is really an awesome movie..... myshkin
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From: raajarasigan on 8th February 2011 02:29 PM [Full View]
hurt ellam illeng... neenga sonna vidham enakku sariya thonala.. athanala kaetten.. if it is just praising the new talent, then I am OK... may be, you could have been more descriptive to avoid the confusion Originally Posted by balaajee
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From: arthi2780 on 8th February 2011 02:34 PM [Full View]
You have a similar scene (not comparitive though) in Eesan too. The scene where the rich man's daughter attempts suicide - its a single shot, where you can hear the people shouting in the bgm while the camera moves slowly from the rich man and then you see everyone assembled in front with the girl been recused and nursed. I like these kind of scenes.
In Yudham sei, the light effect was great. Also in the end of the flash back, a constable enters aith the tea is the finest touch.
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From: arthi2780 on 8th February 2011 02:36 PM [Full View]
You have a similar scene (not comparitive though) in Eesan too. The scene where the rich man's daughter attempts suicide - its a single shot, where you can hear the people shouting in the bgm while the camera moves slowly from the rich man and then you see everyone assembled in front with the girl been recused and nursed. I like these kind of scenes. Originally Posted by balaajeeMariyappan
In Yudham sei, the light effect was great. Also in the end of the flash back, a constable entering with the tea is the finest touch.
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From: SoftSword on 8th February 2011 03:13 PM [Full View]
RR,
dhayavu senju sila naalaikku indha pudhu ids kellaam reply panradha vidunga...
paya pullainga orutthara paaraatra madhiryae pesi innorutthara kutthi vittutu poidraanga... apram irukravanga ellaam adichukkanum... not only in this thread.... in all the famous threads.... oruttharae etthana id'la varaanga paarunga... for responding to u, one user has replied from two ids.... i don really understand since when a registration has become so easy in this hub... and i seriously think the healthy environment is fading slowly here...
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From: balaajee on 8th February 2011 03:20 PM [Full View]
pros & cons
Pros:
Misskin (you can see Misskin in every scence eg:Night the police man robs a water melon for the opposite platfrom while moving home, Y.Gee's daughter suicide scence-brings the feel without showing the hanging body, Subway -old fat woman crys with her son's cutted hands, last scence of movie esclator moves up-it is visualized as heaven-white blurred bg)
Entire star cast,
Camera,
RR,
Film's subject has lot of scope for vulgarity, but the REAL SHOW MAN maintains it as gentle as his Anjathey movie....
Cons:
For me it resembles EESAN in many ways.
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From: Dhakshan on 8th February 2011 03:23 PM [Full View]
Since the upgradation, registrations automated. Originally Posted by SoftSword
RR,
dhayavu senju sila naalaikku indha pudhu ids kellaam reply panradha vidunga...
paya pullainga orutthara paaraatra madhiryae pesi innorutthara kutthi vittutu poidraanga... apram irukravanga ellaam adichukkanum... not only in this thread.... in all the famous threads.... oruttharae etthana id'la varaanga paarunga... for responding to u, one user has replied from two ids.... i don really understand since when a registration has become so easy in this hub... and i seriously think the healthy environment is fading slowly here...
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From: balaajee on 8th February 2011 03:37 PM [Full View]
Its me
I registered in 2008, till past week i could't log in nor i got relpay from site regarding my repeated mails. Originally Posted by SoftSword
RR,
dhayavu senju sila naalaikku indha pudhu ids kellaam reply panradha vidunga...
paya pullainga orutthara paaraatra madhiryae pesi innorutthara kutthi vittutu poidraanga... apram irukravanga ellaam adichukkanum... not only in this thread.... in all the famous threads.... oruttharae etthana id'la varaanga paarunga... for responding to u, one user has replied from two ids.... i don really understand since when a registration has become so easy in this hub... and i seriously think the healthy environment is fading slowly here...
After years i resistered newly last week but on Sun 2/6/2011 11:23 PM i got message in regards to resigistration made on 2008. Will surly deactive one ID. I wouldn't have registered identical names if i want to do any unethical work.
Please GUIDE, Don't AVOID - A rising tide lifts all boats
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From: Dhakshan on 8th February 2011 03:50 PM [Full View]
Softie, pudhu pasangala romba thaan rag panringa...
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From: SoftSword on 8th February 2011 03:58 PM [Full View]
balajee.. if u hav created the id with really some good intention then ur welcome... my post is a reaction for what has been happening for the past two weeks here...
dhaks,
ragging illappaa... adhellaam guest of the week threadla dhaan...
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 04:46 PM [Full View]
Agree.. Other than the above 2 IDs (balajee), Arvind Srinivasan, Vadivel_Varar, Arthie2780, Some Anuska Sharma (in TV/Radio Section) -- idhellaam multiple ID maniacs'oda vaelai maathiri theriyuthu. So guys be alert ! Best option is to ignore until we get a clear picture of the real 'motive' of these IDs. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 04:48 PM [Full View]
And good to know that people are observing.. And balajee, thanks for clarifying. All fine as long as your intentions are genuine
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From: Plum on 8th February 2011 04:50 PM [Full View]
Roshan - Arvind looks genuine to me
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 04:56 PM [Full View]
Ohhh ho !! Originally Posted by Plum
Roshan - Arvind looks genuine to me
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From: Plum on 8th February 2011 04:58 PM [Full View]
ellAm oru yUgam dhAn. oru nirabarAdhi dhaNdikkapada kUdAdhu pArunga
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From: littlemaster1982 on 8th February 2011 04:59 PM [Full View]
Let us not name people unless 100% sure.
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From: SoftSword on 8th February 2011 04:59 PM [Full View]
MIM Originally Posted by Roshan
we will be using this acronym too often in the coming days
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From: SoftSword on 8th February 2011 05:01 PM [Full View]
ok senthil... oops.... am not sure... u sure u r senthil? Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
i am not sure if i am sure about who u r.... :head_spin:
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From: Plum on 8th February 2011 05:03 PM [Full View]
LM, timely reminder but nAn positiveA dhAn sonnEngaradhAla name paNNittEn
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 05:04 PM [Full View]
Mod Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Provided there is a proper system to detect.. .adhu illaatha patchathula - we can keep guessing and alert people, as in the past we have experienced issues of multiple IDs and we know how some bad elements had tried to mis use the hub with such activities. It's our collective duty to safeguard the interest of hub and make sure sanity prevails. Mudinjaa detect paNrathukku oru system kondu varrathukku muyaRchi paNNunga.
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 05:05 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by SoftSword
hub nilamai ippadi aayiduchu - ungaLukku mattumilla pala paerukku spinning thaan.
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From: littlemaster1982 on 8th February 2011 05:09 PM [Full View]
Not sure why that Originally Posted by Roshan
Mod Provided there is a proper system to detect.. .adhu illaatha patchathula - we can keep guessing and alert people, as in the past we have experienced issues of multiple IDs and we know how some bad elements had tried to mis use the hub with such activities. It's our collective duty to safeguard the interest of hub and make sure sanity prevails. Mudinjaa detect paNrathukku oru system kondu varrathukku muyaRchi paNNunga. icon is for. Yeah we have faced issues with people who created multiple ids, but let us not suspect anyone who has registered recently. Few of the new hubbers you have listed haven't had posted anything offensive yet. We had already seen one genuine hubber reacting strongly when we did this for fun.
And yeah, duplicate ids will be weeded out soon.
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 05:16 PM [Full View]
unga kadamai-kaNNiyam-Kattupaada nenechaen, sirichaen Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Not sure why that icon is for.
appO offensive post paNNalEnnaa ethuna ID vaenaalum create paNNalaama? idhu eppO irunthu?Few of the new hubbers you have listed haven't had posted anything offensive yet
There is no system to detect who is genuine and who is not.. so antha paechukku idam illa. Elllaam guessing thaan, based on experience.We had already seen one genuine hubber reacting strongly when we did this for fun.
adha mudhalla paNNungaAnd yeah, duplicate ids will be weeded out soon.
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From: littlemaster1982 on 8th February 2011 05:24 PM [Full View]
I don't think I said that. I meant there are no grounds for suspicion. Originally Posted by Roshan
No forums have a system for finding duplicate ids (AFAIK), and guesses doesn't work always. What if one of the hubbers is genuine and he/she takes offense. I gave you an example too.There is no system to detect who is genuine and who is not.. so antha paechukku idam illa. Elllaam guessing thaan, based on experience.
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From: MADDY on 8th February 2011 05:30 PM [Full View]
Roshan, to be fair, if we dont have belief in the system, then we shouldnt be part of the system, isnt it?
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 05:32 PM [Full View]
That's highly subjective right? One cannot generalise it and expect every one to follow the same. Being offensive cannot be the only criteria to suspect. I dont have to explain further I believe. Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Example'E kaeLvi kuRithaan - can you prove whom so ever you are referring to is genuine? antha maathirithana opposite opinion'um. So let us not get carried away with people getting offended.No forums have a system for finding duplicate ids (AFAIK), and guesses doesn't work always. What if one of the hubbers is genuine and he/she takes offense. I gave you an example too.
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 05:34 PM [Full View]
Vaasthavamaana paechu Maddy? Originally Posted by MADDY
Roshan, to be fair, if we dont have belief in the system, then we shouldnt be part of the system, isnt it? ellaam hub maela uLLa oru paasamthaan hehe
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From: SoftSword on 8th February 2011 05:35 PM [Full View]
when there is a genuinely a new hubber coming and if he gets offended intially, i am sure later based on our explanations he can understand why we do that and what situation here is...
and yes, we don need to name anybody, i only insisted that lets be alert on all the new members until we find them genuine... and why i doubted a id was there are n number of ways to appreciate myskin for bringing a new md for this movie... but read that post again to see how the words are formed... this unnecessary provocation is trending now in all the threads...
and lm...
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From: SoftSword on 8th February 2011 05:38 PM [Full View]
maddy, Originally Posted by MADDY
Roshan, to be fair, if we dont have belief in the system, then we shouldnt be part of the system, isnt it?
uve posted in the wrong thread.
for ur help: http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthrea...ections/page16
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 05:39 PM [Full View]
Ok let us get back to Yudham Sai movie instead us doing yudhan here
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From: Sarna on 8th February 2011 06:23 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by SoftSword
btw, neenga yaarunu ungalukku theriyudhaa ?
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From: Sarna on 8th February 2011 06:28 PM [Full View]
Roshan, pls do watch this movie. Pls dont try DVDrip or some small screen in home. Padam kick-start aaga konjam nEram aagum, adhukkulla neenga shutdown/off panni thoongiduveenga. Better watch in bigscreen. If not possible, padam kick-start aagura varaikkum ukkaandhu porumayaa paarunga A must watch film.
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From: littlemaster1982 on 8th February 2011 06:45 PM [Full View]
I don't get it. Where will it stop if we start analysing if a hubber is genuine or not, whenever a new one comes in? At least if you find a pattern or resemblance, you have a point. Originally Posted by Roshan
Again, you (means not you, whoever thinks so) would have to prove if you think someone is masquerading in another ID, till then he is genuine.Example'E kaeLvi kuRithaan - can you prove whom so ever you are referring to is genuine? antha maathirithana opposite opinion'um. So let us not get carried away with people getting offended.
Rest in PMs, if required.
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From: arthi2780 on 8th February 2011 06:55 PM [Full View]
All this new hubber thing came after a person said something about Ilayaraja. I (well we all) grew up listening to his music and there is no need to critic or review Raja sirs music as we all have passed that milestone. To me, I am a fan of none, but really appreciate talented work. Raja sir's works or resemblence are still seen in all the movies even after a decade as he has done and given much.
I am glad to discover "K" churning music that make you feel Raja sir's presence.
For instance, The scene where the CBI Officier taps the table and walks out, Nishant turns and looks at JK. Till then there is no bgm, and at the moment there is a music that reminds you of "Mouna Ragam" Theme music. Again not a comparative comment, just that you got to absorb the music and its integrity with the narration rather than taking thing personaly with any particular artist.
Anyway, personaly I feel that, there is nothing wrong in getting inspired by Raja Sir's music. I will take it as a very good sign, as we can hear some good music and mixing.
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From: Roshan on 8th February 2011 07:06 PM [Full View]
Not at all, if that's what you have thought ! We have our own reasons which we will be dealing through pms with fellow hubbers. Happy hubbing Ms Arthi ! Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: arthi2780 on 8th February 2011 07:12 PM [Full View]
[QUOTE=. Happy hubbing Ms Arthi ![/QUOTE]
Thanks Roshan.
Coming back to discussion on Yudham Sei :
Comments on the Bridge fight scene are appreciated.
Personaly, I did not find it neither interesting nor anything new. But it was well made.
Another thing that irritated me was the inverted camera shots .. RGV uses it a lot. This camera angle worked only in one scene where they show Suba hanging.
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From: sathya_1979 on 8th February 2011 07:49 PM [Full View]
+1, enakku thalai valikka aarambichidichu.But, just a minor irritant in a very good movie Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: mareen on 8th February 2011 08:36 PM [Full View]
Great movie very intense. 2nd half was like EEsan but this is better compare to what sasi churned out!
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From: SoftSword on 8th February 2011 08:53 PM [Full View]
yes, differenta panrenu orae visayatha ella neramum senjuttu irundhaa, it gets tedius...
in the climax when the camera was moving inside the bushes, everybody could remember anjadhey there...
such camera shots and techniques gives u a deja vu feel in this movie which is otherwise made in a very unique way....
ellaarum ygm pathi edho neraya sonnanga... he has very less scenes thru which we can analyse his performance i thinks. same for his wife too, i mean what is been shown on screen and not what is builtup for those characters in the narration.
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From: arthi2780 on 8th February 2011 11:58 PM [Full View]
SoftSword, you have given an interesting argument. Easan and Yudham Sei are quite different film with their approach even though you can see the similarity in the plot - that happens to all crime thrillers. The diffenciation lies in the narration and these 2 Directors have their own styles.
But the interesting thing is about the mysterious characters in both films. When Eesan was released there was a complaint that the film is long and the flash back is a set back to the pace of the film. Here with Yudham sei, its noted that these characters were not elaborated.
In Eesan Sasi sir wanted to put the weight of these characters on us - how they lived and perished. But Myshkin, I suppose wanted us to weigh these characters - where they pushed to do what they did.
Personally, I leave the ending part to the creator. I just see whether he justifies it. In both these film it worked.
Another thing is the hype factor. yes I agree with you that they kept on saying YG sir has done a terrific job, never seen before. That leads to diapointment, just like the Bridge fight scene did to me.
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From: jaiganes on 9th February 2011 01:39 AM [Full View]
If someone who wrote Apoorva sagodharargaL, MMKR, Guna, Mahanadhi cannot claim that he is the best screenwriter, which mai ka laal can? Originally Posted by balaajeeMariyappan
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From: ajithfederer on 9th February 2011 03:12 AM [Full View]
Plum, I have doubt in you. You don't look genuine to me.
Appadinnu velila neraya per pesikuraanga.
Originally Posted by Plum
Roshan - Arvind looks genuine to me
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From: hattori_hanzo on 9th February 2011 11:22 AM [Full View]
Arthi, I did not like the entire fight sequence. I wonder why Mysskin shot it in a manner very similar to the one in Anjadhey. IMO, both these stunts are unnatural and unintentionally(or was it intentionally?) funny. The buildup to this scene in YS was pretty good. It takes nearly 3 minutes from the time Cheran leaves his room till this fight starts. And it is here that the audience(most of them) come to know that there are actually 2 different parties, the CBI have to look out for. Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: Siv.S on 9th February 2011 11:32 AM [Full View]
He has to change his camera angles, typical angles in all his movies.. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: balaajee on 9th February 2011 12:52 PM [Full View]
Similarities & Differences
Similarities
1. Many off screen persons
Eesan- A.L. Azhgappan, Kaaja maithin, Malayalam diector blessing, Gnanavel Raja
YS- charu nivedita, Ameer Sultan, E.Ramadoss
2. Revenge (for a same cause)
3. Climax
4. Portrays the reality of Law & Order
5. Both are too lengthy for a Suspense thriller
Differences
1. Eesan-Police officer(Samudrakani) have happy family
YS-Police officer(cheran) have personal suffering
2. Both have their own unconventional style
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From: rsubras on 9th February 2011 03:00 PM [Full View]
another similarity now: you have given away the suspense elements [Spoilers] of both these thriller films....... Originally Posted by balaajee
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From: SoftSword on 9th February 2011 03:45 PM [Full View]
newbies, pls edit the posts with spoilers as there are lots of hubbers who are yet to watch the movie...
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From: mareen on 9th February 2011 03:52 PM [Full View]
Am i the only one that liked the bridge fight scene. Thought it was awsome.
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From: SoftSword on 9th February 2011 04:06 PM [Full View]
i liked it too... but it was too dramatic... it would have worked better if he jus used his hands to bring them down instead of a nail cutter...
poor cop, he was not even paid enough money to buy a pen-knife instead of a nail-cutter... i mean, how does it come to his pocket?
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From: balaajee on 9th February 2011 04:15 PM [Full View]
There is a scence before that, where he opens the table Drawer and take something( i suspected to be a Gun but it was nail cutter)- Originally Posted by SoftSword
May be director want to show " VALLAVANUKKU PULLUM AYUDHAM "
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From: balaajee on 9th February 2011 04:18 PM [Full View]
Edited Originally Posted by SoftSword
Is that enough?
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From: SoftSword on 9th February 2011 04:31 PM [Full View]
vallavan avasaratthukku pulla aayudhamaa payan padutthalaam... Originally Posted by balaajee
adhukkaaga sandaikku porappove oru kattu pullu vaangi pouch'la vechu kondu poradhu konjam over getthu dhaan...
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From: SoftSword on 9th February 2011 04:34 PM [Full View]
thanks balajee.. Originally Posted by balaajee
but rsubras has quoted ur post anyway
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From: raajarasigan on 9th February 2011 05:27 PM [Full View]
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From: gurusaravanan on 9th February 2011 05:57 PM [Full View]
ithu cd laye irundhuchu na..... Originally Posted by raajarasigan
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From: raajarasigan on 9th February 2011 06:02 PM [Full View]
oh.. is it :surprised:
ignore my post then..
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From: mareen on 9th February 2011 06:23 PM [Full View]
Maybe he wasnt prepared enough when he left home. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: rsubras on 9th February 2011 06:51 PM [Full View]
unintentional......... Originally Posted by SoftSword
thanks balajee..
but rsubras has quoted ur post anyway anyways..edited..me tooo
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From: sathya_1979 on 9th February 2011 07:38 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by SoftSword
chanceless!
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From: SoftSword on 9th February 2011 08:52 PM [Full View]
ennakkaetta... Kaakka Kaakka GVM madhiri myskin oru voice over version kutthaarunaa nammaloda assumptions'ayum meeri unmaya avar enna solla varaarnu puriyum...
but naame purinjukradha thavira adhu sappaya dhaan irukkumnu ennoda peelings.
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From: hamid on 9th February 2011 08:55 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by SoftSword
I was a bit annoyed about the bridge fight scene.. There is no need to kill him at that time and even if they want they can simply shoot him when he opens the door.. summa velila kootittu vanthu oodi pidichi vilaandu ovvoruthana vanthu kabadi aadi.. ethukku ithellam?
Or is Myshkin intentionally making fun of any mass hero fight here?
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From: SoftSword on 9th February 2011 08:57 PM [Full View]
anegama cherana kadatthi poi show nadathuradhukkaga vandhiruppaanga...
aana avar udanpadala... so they din shoot him
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From: arthi2780 on 9th February 2011 09:02 PM [Full View]
This fight scene is a bit crucial to the film (eventhough shooting would have been simple ...). Just before the fight JK is blocked and he does not have anyother lead, and he was no more sure whether the leads he has are correct or should be follow (scene where he sits on a stoll before the pin ups). This fight provokes him a spark and give him a new vision and a very good lead as the captured "kabadi players" start to spill the bean. Originally Posted by hamid
Story vice its good and well sequenced. Rest I agree with you.
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From: hamid on 9th February 2011 09:08 PM [Full View]
ithu oovar.. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: directhit on 9th February 2011 10:09 PM [Full View]
SS
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From: SoftSword on 9th February 2011 11:21 PM [Full View]
i am serious.... illena kollanumnu mudivu pannittu vandhadhukku apram yen ovvorutthara padhungi vandhu governor kitta medal kutthikittu pora madhiri nail-cutter-stab vaanganum... Originally Posted by hamid
ithu oovar..
thuppaakki vechukkura alavu kaasu illaya??? kandippa they can get guns for this as they are sent by the cops...
apdiye kedakkalanaalum.... dhooratthula irundhu oru villu-ambu shot try pannirukkalaam illaya...?
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From: mareen on 9th February 2011 11:58 PM [Full View]
Althought what you guys argue make logical sense... in the movie we have not identified who the killer was and their motive at that time. Plus, we did not know who was going to be kidnapped next. Moreover, it looks like as if JK might be the next victim which is why that scene is made at night time and they are all hiding under the bush stalking. Remember, the kidnap takes place next to the same bush also.
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From: hamid on 10th February 2011 12:45 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by SoftSword
en postla ithaane solliyirukken?
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From: Mukzi on 10th February 2011 01:57 AM [Full View]
After watching..this movie.....it make me..draw similarity to what the the Italian President ..doing to his country's..although...he does..with thier consent...
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From: Anban on 10th February 2011 05:45 AM [Full View]
the final 3 punches to the last man standing's chest was just superb.. involuntary whistle.. !! Originally Posted by mareen
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From: Mukzi on 10th February 2011 09:18 AM [Full View]
[QUOTE=Anban;632093]the final 3 punches to the last man standing's chest was just superb.. involuntary whistle.. !![/QUOTE
+1
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From: Riyazz on 10th February 2011 11:11 AM [Full View]
film is good but very slow........... myskin idha enda padatula copy adicharunu teriala irundalum.......
bgm
nma karthi father & BEB la arya mothera naduchangale avanga role super........ ...
Minus
cheran ........
very slow
length of film
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From: Sarna on 10th February 2011 11:21 AM [Full View]
............. Originally Posted by Anban
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From: podaskie on 10th February 2011 11:24 AM [Full View]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0353969/ Originally Posted by Riyazz
film is good but very slow........... myskin idha enda padatula copy adicharunu teriala irundalum.......
bgm
nma karthi father & BEB la arya mothera naduchangale avanga role super........ ...
Minus
cheran ........
very slow
length of film
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From: Sarna on 10th February 2011 11:55 AM [Full View]
Podaskie, I have a copy of Memories.of.Murder[Salinui.chueok]. Are you sure that Yudham sei is copied from this one ?
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From: ajaybaskar on 10th February 2011 12:22 PM [Full View]
From what i have read about YS, I believe its not MOM.
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From: hamid on 10th February 2011 12:27 PM [Full View]
Ajay, Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
irunthaathaan enna?
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From: podaskie on 10th February 2011 12:28 PM [Full View]
dnt know..i haven't watched memories of murder,but heard from my friend circle, that yudham sei inspired from M.O.M & another Korean flick,cant remember now,even before the release... Originally Posted by Sarna
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From: ajaybaskar on 10th February 2011 12:30 PM [Full View]
Irundhaalum onnum illa. But y blame Mysskin unnecessarily for a mistake that was not committed. Originally Posted by hamid
Ajay,
irunthaathaan enna?
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From: hamid on 10th February 2011 12:45 PM [Full View]
oh..ok Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Irundhaalum onnum illa. But y blame Mysskin unnecessarily for a mistake that was not committed.
I really find this annoying.. ithula suttathu..athula vadichathu etc.. ennavo naama/nammorula ella paarin padathaiyum paarthu purichikittaa maathiri.. There is only a max of 3-5% who have seen english movies in TN.. what about the rest? wont they need to see different kind of themes/stories/story tellings? even if it is a copy I dont mind as long as it engages me.. Yep.. if the theme is well adapted the better..
But yes.. as a person.. it is good if he says about his inspirations etc.. but that has to go against/for a person himself.. and nothing to do with the movie..
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From: Sarna on 10th February 2011 01:04 PM [Full View]
hamid, myshkin openly admits about his inspirations Nadhala was inspired from Kikujiro and Myshkin said openly even before he started shooting for Nandhalala IIRC.
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From: ajaybaskar on 10th February 2011 01:08 PM [Full View]
That is ok. But why shud he pull down Mani for getting inspired by godfather or Ramayanam. That was baffling me. If you are being accused, you should come up with points that support your stand and not point the fingers on others.
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From: raajarasigan on 10th February 2011 01:10 PM [Full View]
Myskin must be a Mu.Ka fan.. :P Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: ajaybaskar on 10th February 2011 01:12 PM [Full View]
No politics pls..
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From: Sarna on 10th February 2011 01:19 PM [Full View]
Ajay, naanum andha program paaththEn.... but adha MR'ku compliment'aa dhaan naan eduththikkittEn.... "Manirathnam'E inspire(copy) aayirukkaaru" means "Manirathnam evlO periya thillaalangadi aalu, India's best director/creator vEra.... avarE inspire(copy) aayirukkaaru... avaru munnaala oru bachchaa'vaana naan inspire(copy) aanaa enna thappu ? "
Note : I guess one among the audience uses the word "copy" and as replying myshkin also replies with the word "copy".
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From: kid-glove on 10th February 2011 01:25 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
For all his well-read credentials, the guy could have paraphrased Godard “It's not where you take things from — it's where you take them to.” and made his point.
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From: Siv.S on 10th February 2011 02:13 PM [Full View]
Ajay,i think that was an example he given to convey that how you are giving the movie to the audience is the matter even though it is not your story. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: Sarna on 10th February 2011 02:33 PM [Full View]
3 pov's for one statement
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From: Riyazz on 10th February 2011 05:02 PM [Full View]
ajay anna.............. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
No politics pls..
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From: MumbaiRamki on 10th February 2011 08:24 PM [Full View]
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Agreed that film viewing is a subjective experience, but to put the lens of hatred is just not done.
he claims that Yudham sei is a just a dubbing of the film memories of murder . There could be some similarities , but dubbing !
This is memories of murder , i didnt find many similarities even !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memories_of_Murder
This is charu's bloglet
http://charuonline.com/blog/?p=1823
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From: arthi2780 on 10th February 2011 09:54 PM [Full View]
None to my knowledge. Maybe some technical details I am blind of or the character JK. I do not know why this critic had made such a comment. Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
I have seen Memories of Murder. Nothing really happens, but the beauty of the film is the narration + class acting, that you start to feel the frustration of the main character. Its also quite cruel and make you frown several times. And its not a typical seat edge thriller. As i saw it with subtiles, I do not know whether the dialogues were good. They say it is ...
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From: hattori_hanzo on 11th February 2011 11:02 AM [Full View]
has Charu Nivedita acted in YS? If so, whats the role he played? I googled and had a glance at his photo but I dont remember seeing him in YS.
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From: ajaybaskar on 11th February 2011 11:04 AM [Full View]
He acted in 'Kannitheevu ponnaa' song. After that issue, his scenes were chopped off if i am right.
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From: ajaybaskar on 11th February 2011 11:06 AM [Full View]
களத்தூர் கண்ணம்மாவுக்குப் பிறகு கமல் நடித்து நான் வெகுவாக ரசித்த படம் வேட்டையாடு விளையாடு - Charu
Idhellam over, sollipputten...
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From: BM on 11th February 2011 11:13 AM [Full View]
Ithuku thaan Police Kaaranga koodavum, Critics koodavum sagavaasam vechikka koodaathungrathu. Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
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From: kid-glove on 11th February 2011 11:13 AM [Full View]
Saaru? Ha ha. Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: hattori_hanzo on 11th February 2011 11:16 AM [Full View]
Ok, but his name still appears in the opening credits. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: kid-glove on 11th February 2011 11:16 AM [Full View]
That blog is near-Schizoid. None of it makes sense (well apart from maybe GPM making Simbu tolerable). Hands down, Saaru is the most illiterate on matters related to Cinema.
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From: Mahen on 11th February 2011 11:18 AM [Full View]
Watching YS today after work I hope Myskin impresses me this time..All his movies have been in the range of average to abv average..So lets see what he has to offer in YS
As for payanam, i will wait for reviews Hijack subjects ellam not my taste
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From: balaajee on 11th February 2011 11:35 AM [Full View]
"ஆனால் கௌதம் வாசுதேவ் மேனனின் நடுநிசி நாய்களைப் பாருங்கள். யுத்தம் செய்யில் மிஷ்கின் எதைச் செய்ய கோட்டை விட்டாரோ அதை மிக அட்டகாசமாக செய்திருப்பார் கௌதம்."(அவருடைய பழைய படங்களை வைத்துச் சொல்கிறேன்.)
When the 1st STD kid fights with his friend, will starts to praise the other person to make his ex-friend jealous. If he watched the preview of GOUTHAM’s movie its ok to comment. But he beliefs that it will be better? Isn't it childish? Charu niveditha “The NEW MOVIE ASTROLOGER”
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From: balaajee on 11th February 2011 11:42 AM [Full View]
he comes in one shot of that song. With kurudha & harmonium. He had made one page of his experience in acting that shot in AV few months back. Originally Posted by hattori_hanzo
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From: groucho070 on 11th February 2011 11:50 AM [Full View]
Ivalondu post-ukku naalu smileys. Nengga remba nallavar Mahen. Originally Posted by Mahen
Watching YS today after work I hope Myskin impresses me this time..All his movies have been in the range of average to abv average..So lets see what he has to offer in YS
As for payanam, i will wait for reviews Hijack subjects ellam not my taste
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From: balaajee on 11th February 2011 02:23 PM [Full View]
Motta boss list
Anjathey- 1 Motta BOSS
Nandalala- 2(miltary men)+1(rohini)=3 Motta BOSS
YS-3 Motta BOSS
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From: jinju on 11th February 2011 03:06 PM [Full View]
Another good one from Myskin. The only director apart from Bala who's yet to disappoint me as a viewer so far. lots to discuss, maybe after majority of the hubbers have watched the pilim.
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From: ajaybaskar on 11th February 2011 03:07 PM [Full View]
//What is that case filed against Cheran and Navya Nair?//
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From: jinju on 11th February 2011 03:39 PM [Full View]
i think some real estate firm filed a case against them for nonpayment of dues for a flat she purchased in kochi...adhu thaane? but navya dhaan marriage aayi settle aache...cheran attended her wedding too. any fresh updates on this? Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
move to kisu kisu...
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From: ajaybaskar on 11th February 2011 03:43 PM [Full View]
Navya purchase panna flatku Cheranukku yaen notice anuppunaanga?
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From: jinju on 11th February 2011 03:47 PM [Full View]
adhu thaan kisu kisu threadkku thevayaana matter, illa 'yadhaartha naayagan'kku thread irukka inge? gossip is it was an attempt by that firm to tarnish her name for her nonpayment. also it seems she n her dad were instrumental in defaming this firm by publishing a few negative articles about them in dailies, internet, etc, thereby affecting the firm's clientele, so they hit her below the belt too. truth enna-nu neenga thaan kandupudikkanam... Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Navya purchase panna flatku Cheranukku yaen notice anuppunaanga?
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From: SoftSword on 11th February 2011 03:55 PM [Full View]
andha veettukkaarar'ta pesi veetta ivar vaangi kudutthadhaala avanga thappaa ivara veettukkaarar'nu nenachiruppaanga...
nalla velai... avangaloda veettukkaarar thappaa purinjukkaama irundhaa sari.
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From: SoftSword on 11th February 2011 03:56 PM [Full View]
pm with pics plees. Originally Posted by jinju
adhu thaan kisu kisu threadkku thevayaana matter, illa 'yadhaartha naayagan'kku thread irukka inge? gossip is it was an attempt by that firm to tarnish her name for her nonpayment. also it seems she n her dad were instrumental in defaming this firm by publishing a few negative articles about them in dailies, internet, etc, thereby affecting the firm's clientele, so they hit her below the belt too. truth enna-nu neenga thaan kandupudikkanam...
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From: ajaybaskar on 11th February 2011 04:00 PM [Full View]
Jinju,
En nelamaya vida unga nelamai romba mosamaayidum pola irukke?
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From: Cinemarasigan on 11th February 2011 04:11 PM [Full View]
Edhaavadhu kisu kisu matter kidachaa udane PM kekkureengale.. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: SoftSword on 11th February 2011 04:15 PM [Full View]
ajay... naalu perukku nalladhu nadakkudhunaa.........
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From: SoftSword on 11th February 2011 04:19 PM [Full View]
"Sattam than kadamayai seyyum!" Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
naan romba Strictu......... Strictu.....................
Strictu....
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From: Mahen on 11th February 2011 09:11 PM [Full View]
How i wish YS was directed by someone else with the story and screenplay by myskin..Thriller direct panna sonna, stage play direct pannirikar.. The first 20mins
.. Myskin's annoying slo-mo shots and camera angles 
really got into my nerves..Maybe he feels its cool to do that...Movie picked well after that before another stage play comes in (the bridge fight) Climax suppose to be emotionally charged, but comedy mathiri ayidichi Some were actually laughing in the theater Under his direction, all acted badly just like the actors in Anjathey/Chitiram Talking...If any actors/actresses win any award under his direction, i'll kiss his feet..Script wise YS >>>>Eesan but his execution style suck..Thank god Kamal stayed away from him
Many scenes irritated me to the max
Anyway, im done with myskin..no more watching his films..
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From: SoftSword on 11th February 2011 09:45 PM [Full View]
mahen.... konjam vilakkamaa pudicha scenes.. anoyying scenes list pannunga...
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From: Mahen on 11th February 2011 10:05 PM [Full View]
Pidicha scenes Originally Posted by SoftSword
-Kanni theevu poona-neetu chandra...cant remember much actually
Pidikatha scenes
-the first 20mins..slo mo shots..
-bridge fight
-climax
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From: SoftSword on 11th February 2011 10:09 PM [Full View]
neenga eludhirukkura review padi, innakki padam paakka unga kooda nov varalenu theriyudhu...
dont u agree the company ur in always has some influence in ur opinion abt a movie?
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From: Mahen on 11th February 2011 10:13 PM [Full View]
No way..enna varum influence panna mudiyathu..i would have said the same thing even if Nov was with me Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: Anban on 11th February 2011 11:25 PM [Full View]
ungala maathiri fans thevai illa Myshkin-kku :bye: Originally Posted by Mahen
How i wish YS was directed by someone else with the story and screenplay by myskin..Thriller direct panna sonna, stage play direct pannirikar.. The first 20mins.. Myskin's annoying slo-mo shots and camera angles really got into my nerves..Maybe he feels its cool to do that...Movie picked well after that before another stage play comes in (the bridge fight) Climax suppose to be emotionally charged, but comedy mathiri ayidichi Some were actually laughing in the theater Under his direction, all acted badly just like the actors in Anjathey/Chitiram Talking...If any actors/actresses win any award under his direction, i'll kiss his feet..Script wise YS >>>>Eesan but his execution style suck..Thank god Kamal stayed away from him
Many scenes irritated me to the max
Anyway, im done with myskin..no more watching his films..
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From: Rocky89 on 12th February 2011 01:29 AM [Full View]
Just one word : BRILLIANT ! way way better than Eesan. Kudos to Mysskin and his team, especially K.
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From: Mahen on 12th February 2011 07:49 AM [Full View]
Oh please..i was never his fan..Btw, ungala mathiri fans iruntha he'll never change Originally Posted by Anban
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From: hamid on 12th February 2011 07:52 AM [Full View]
Eesan kuuda ellam intha padatha compare pannathiingappa.. this is totally in a different level..
Have to see it again..
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From: ajaybaskar on 12th February 2011 07:56 AM [Full View]
Watched it yesterday. Except for some minor mistakes, this is a must watch!!
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From: P_R on 12th February 2011 11:18 AM [Full View]
Excellent film.
Mysshkin shows promise than any other director around.
Performances/lines had the cringe moments (seems to be his signature) but much much fewer than his earlier films.
MD K - romba nalla varuveenga thambi
Kaudham dhiriller yaaraachum paatheengaLA
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From: Mahen on 12th February 2011 11:26 AM [Full View]
i have a big problem with that Originally Posted by P_R
Excellent film.
Mysshkin shows promise than any other director around.
Performances/lines had the cringe moments (seems to be his signature) but much much fewer than his earlier films.
MD K - romba nalla varuveenga thambi
Kaudham dhiriller yaaraachum paatheengaLA some scenes completely turned me off
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From: ajaybaskar on 12th February 2011 11:35 AM [Full View]
Last thing I dreamt of hearing from a Tamannaah fan..
j/k bro..
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From: Thirumaran on 12th February 2011 11:44 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Last thing I dreamt of hearing from a Tamannaah fan.. do u think mahen was expecting acting talent from vella peruchaali consider Tammy acting in this movie assisting cheran.. and given 2 fights.. Mahen would have totally pleased
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From: Mahen on 12th February 2011 11:48 AM [Full View]
Enna pathi pesunga..tammu patthi pesathingey
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From: MumbaiRamki on 12th February 2011 01:06 PM [Full View]
yeah , i also faced the same perspective while watching .. some scenes were suddenly off the realism , and some scenes raw , stil the overall package was good Originally Posted by Mahen
i have a big problem with that some scenes completely turned me off
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From: Mahen on 12th February 2011 02:51 PM [Full View]
I was ok with the rawness but as for realism, many scenes pissed me off..For instance, the whole family acted like they were possessed by Satan..I couldnt feel the anger in them..And the bridge fight, one by one walking towards cheran in a funny way to attack him..semma comedy athu..ennamo oru monster/godzilla patha mathiri oru reaction ellarukum..Cheran oru blade-le, Ninja mathiri ellam finish pannitaru Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
Climax-boy running towards his dead parents repeatedly..left to right,right to left many times..nalla laughs theaterla..im sorry Myskin touches didnt impress me there
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From: leons0133 on 12th February 2011 03:13 PM [Full View]
Yuddham Sei by Mysskin+Cheran
நல்ல திரைப்படம் மிஸ்கின் மற்றும் சேரன்க்கு பாராட்டுக்கள் இசை அற்புதும்.வாழ்த்துகள்.
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From: Scale on 12th February 2011 03:33 PM [Full View]
dead bodies wagering the tennis ball from a panoramic view. Originally Posted by Mahen
Thats a very keen observation Arthi
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From: MumbaiRamki on 12th February 2011 04:16 PM [Full View]
+1 .. those scenes are the ones which put me off ... But interestingly , i forgave myskin for it.It is one thing to write a poetry , but another thing to shoot it exactly like in poetry ... I felt thats what mysskin tried ... Originally Posted by Mahen
I was ok with the rawness but as for realism, many scenes pissed me off..For instance, the whole family acted like they were possessed by Satan..I couldnt feel the anger in them..And the bridge fight, one by one walking towards cheran in a funny way to attack him..semma comedy athu..ennamo oru monster/godzilla patha mathiri oru reaction ellarukum..Cheran oru blade-le, Ninja mathiri ellam finish pannitaru
Climax-boy running towards his dead parents repeatedly..left to right,right to left many times..nalla laughs theaterla..im sorry Myskin touches didnt impress me there
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From: directhit on 12th February 2011 04:47 PM [Full View]
nailcutter Originally Posted by Mahen
one by one walking towards cheran. Cheran oru blade-le, Ninja mathiri ellam finish pannitaru
Originally Posted by Mahen
those were funny...
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From: rajasaranam on 12th February 2011 04:49 PM [Full View]
melum ethirpaarkirom Originally Posted by P_R
Excellent film.
Mysshkin shows promise than any other director around.
Performances/lines had the cringe moments (seems to be his signature) but much much fewer than his earlier films.
MD K - romba nalla varuveenga thambi
Kaudham dhiriller yaaraachum paatheengaLA
kaudham dhiriller nesttu weekthaane rilees?
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From: directhit on 12th February 2011 04:49 PM [Full View]
Anjathey la andha girl kidnapping scene alone was enough for me... compared to Anjathey felt YS was much lesser in stature.. but a compelling watch nevertheless
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From: rajasaranam on 12th February 2011 04:59 PM [Full View]
எனது ட்விட்டுக்களில் யுத்தம் செய்
௧. கீழைத்தேய கலையழகியல் மரபுகள் மற்றும் மதிப்பீடுகள் ஒட்டி இயங்கும் திரைப்படம் காட்சிகவிதையாகி பார்வையாளனை மீநிலையில் இருத்துகிறது.
௨. பார்வையாளனின் காண்கோணத்தை மேலும்கீழும் ஊடுபாவுமாய் திருத்தி அமைத்து காமெராவின் பார்வையில் இருத்தி மிகைசித்திரம் படைக்கிறது.
௩. நடன காட்சிகளை ஒத்த சண்டை காட்சிகள் திகைப்புக்கு ஆட்படுத்தி பின் பார்வையாளனை முழுதும் லயிப்பில் ஆழ்த்துகின்றன! இது கலை
௪. கலைப்படம் கமர்சியல் படம் எனும் மாயைகளை தகர்க்கும் பணியில் மிஸ்கின் குறிப்பிடத்தகுந்த வெற்றி அடைந்து இருக்கிறார்
௫. ராஜாவின் பாணியை பின்பற்றி பின்னணி இசையில் பின்னி பெடலெடுக்கிறார் 'கே'. மரபு சங்கிலி இனி அழியாது என நம்பிக்கை கொள்ளலாம்
௬. மொத்தம் 11 ஷாட் சாருவிற்கு, அதில் 9 ஷாட்களில் விரல் வித்தையால் அசத்துகிறார். சிம்புவிற்கு சரியான போட்டி இனி
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From: hamid on 12th February 2011 05:00 PM [Full View]
Yes.. As for the plot Anjaathe was better.. But I liked YS for the kind of sequencing, thrill. It keeps the audience guessing and Myshkin was a step ahead almost all the time... we do travel with the characters. BG score makes you to notice for sure.. a different kind.. at times I felt like the BG determines the way our heart should beat Originally Posted by directhit
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From: Anban on 12th February 2011 06:02 PM [Full View]
the BGM for this movie is super awesome fantastic..
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From: Srimannarayanan on 12th February 2011 07:24 PM [Full View]
Charu nivethitha in 11 shots in awesone. He is more appropriate in side kick roles and side dancer in kuthu songs. Originally Posted by rajasaranam
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From: Srimannarayanan on 12th February 2011 07:26 PM [Full View]
Awesome movie. I liked it very much. Cheran is good and Music is very good and Myskin's execution is very good.
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From: Srimannarayanan on 12th February 2011 07:27 PM [Full View]
Yes He is step ahead in each movie. Originally Posted by hamid
Yes.. As for the plot Anjaathe was better.. But I liked YS for the kind of sequencing, thrill. It keeps the audience guessing and Myshkin was a step ahead almost all the time... we do travel with the characters. BG score makes you to notice for sure.. a different kind.. at times I felt like the BG determines the way our heart should beat
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From: jinju on 13th February 2011 08:03 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
Excellent film.
Mysshkin shows promise than any other director around.
Performances/lines had the cringe moments (seems to be his signature) but much much fewer than his earlier films.
MD K - romba nalla varuveenga thambi
Kaudham dhiriller yaaraachum paatheengaLAejjaatly!
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From: Scale on 13th February 2011 11:24 AM [Full View]
Both Easan & YS are bog-standard revengeful tosh against the social scum astonishingly the same only the treatment differs.
Sasikumar showed some promise initially but slipped off the IInd half in a bore-hole. Whereas Myskin employed some good old (?) techniques and the execution is far better.
So Myskinukku
Originally Posted by Touch of Evil
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From: Scale on 13th February 2011 11:26 AM [Full View]
While Eesan scores on the characterization, performance from the Ist half YS beats fair and square in all other areas.
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From: Sarna on 13th February 2011 12:29 PM [Full View]
pr Originally Posted by P_R
Excellent film.
Mysshkin shows promise than any other director around.
Performances/lines had the cringe moments (seems to be his signature) but much much fewer than his earlier films.
MD K - romba nalla varuveenga thambi
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From: balaajee on 13th February 2011 08:11 PM [Full View]
Jaya tv- Hasini's Pesum Padam
Myskkin - Gift to Tamil cinema
Music- New to Indian cinema & marks up to international standard.
10:30 show houseful & standing ovation like festival films.
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 12:30 PM [Full View]
Watched it second time yesterday.. what a movie
Thought it might be boring for the second time, but pleasently surprised.. noticed few small things which I (and most of us) have misseed at the first watch.. Every single frame poses a question or a solution or an understanding to a piece of puzzle.. chanceless.. Myshkin.. you are my topmost favourite director man.. within three/four films he can create a style of his own and has taken Tamil Cinema viewing experience to the next level.. Congrats..
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From: Thirumaran on 14th February 2011 01:56 PM [Full View]
+1 Originally Posted by hamid
*2 Originally Posted by hamid
what a movie
Every single frame poses a question or a solution or an understanding to a piece of puzzle.. chanceless.. Myshkin.. you are my topmost favourite director man.. within three/four films he can create a style of his own and has taken Tamil Cinema viewing experience to the next level.. Congrats..
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From: yellow on 14th February 2011 02:19 PM [Full View]
i think ..this movie is copied from english movie called "HOSTEL"
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From: Dhakshan on 14th February 2011 02:36 PM [Full View]
Have you seen Hostel?
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From: ajaybaskar on 14th February 2011 02:42 PM [Full View]
Except for the torture scenes, both films dont have a single similarity.
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From: balaajee on 14th February 2011 02:57 PM [Full View]
Really not, to a some extent you may feel the influence of SAW (Kidnapping with animal mask & electric cut off saw etc) Originally Posted by yellow
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 04:12 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by yellow
Myshkin just dubbed it in Tamil and released here.. Bleady cheater fellow....
supera kandupidichu kalakkittinga ponga..
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 04:18 PM [Full View]
Now you are accusing almost all Tamil films Directors here... Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: ajaybaskar on 14th February 2011 04:21 PM [Full View]
I meant the physical torture and not the mental one..
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 04:26 PM [Full View]
That makes sense.. our directors are unbeatable in that area.. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I meant the physical torture and not the mental one..
Sari digress pannathu pothum.. padatha pathi pesunga Ajay.. enakku bore adikkuthu
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 04:44 PM [Full View]
hostel is completely a different theme... Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
even the torture scenes, there is no similarity.... in hostel they show it all raw without any censor, here they only show the face of the persons getting tortured...
for once, i was expecting to be like hostel, when the businessmen and the showrunners speak about 'show' and the businessmen paying lakhs for it...
but what they pay for actually is a dumb reason... maybe andha showla ennenna nadakkudhunu mulusaa kaatirundhaa it would have justified
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 04:52 PM [Full View]
SS,
angathaan Myshkin nikkiraaru.. The amounbt paid is an indication based on which we can find/guess what all would have happened in the show. ethaiyum kattamaleeye antha effect kodukkarathu (But it was more powerful in Anjaathe.. the father's cry "enda amme" onnu pothum..vayithula puliya karaikkum 
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From: ajaybaskar on 14th February 2011 04:52 PM [Full View]
SS,
Unga parents number kodunga. I think they are delaying certain things.
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 05:00 PM [Full View]
oru velai neenga hostel madhiri torture panra padangal patthirundhaa neengalaa anga idhu nadandhirukkum'nu assume panni paarpeenga... Originally Posted by hamid
SS,
angathaan Myshkin nikkiraaru.. The amounbt paid is an indication based on which we can find/guess what all would have happened in the show. ethaiyum kattamaleeye antha effect kodukkarathu (But it was more powerful in Anjaathe.. the father's cry "enda amme" onnu pothum..vayithula puliya karaikkum )
apdi theriyaadhavangalukku sila clue vechirukkalaam...
illena oru arai mani neratthukkulla oru arumayaana padam kaatidalaam... naduvula nadakkuradha ellaam unga intelligence vechi neengale yoogichukkonga'nu..
apram indha benefit of doubt'a naam ellaa filmmakers'kum kudukromaa enn?
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:01 PM [Full View]
SS, niinga vera routela poytu irukkinga u continue...
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 05:01 PM [Full View]
to be frank, innakki mattum idha oru 10 peru enkita sollittaanga Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 05:02 PM [Full View]
ayyayyo apdi ellaam illa... Originally Posted by hamid
SS, niinga vera routela poytu irukkinga u continue...
i am already a fan of myskin and liked all his movies... urimayoda kelvi ketttutu irukken...
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 05:05 PM [Full View]
"Copied" ! Justify please. Originally Posted by yellow
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:05 PM [Full View]
illa.. unga espettaten vera rangela irukkunnu sonnen.. innaiku Feb 14th vera..
But urimaiyooda kelvi ketkurathu thappen illa.. if you are seriously asking(yaara paarthu intha kelvi :self-hammer: ..
what he didnt show? I felt he showed a bit more in this film... enna puriyala?
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 05:07 PM [Full View]
*** SPOILERS *** Originally Posted by SoftSword
Just wondering ... was it ever mentioned in the movie what happened to these girls ?
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:10 PM [Full View]
They just leave them after the show.. Coz at one place the cop says "naama show nadathuna ponnunga ippa enga irukkangannu kandu pidikkanum" Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: Thirumaran on 14th February 2011 05:24 PM [Full View]
that would be in the sequel. Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 05:26 PM [Full View]
Ha ! Okay. So no parents take any action (explantion given by Jayaprakash) ... except YG & co.
Thanks Hamid
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 05:27 PM [Full View]
pls rephrase... enakku purila... Originally Posted by hamid
illa.. unga espettaten vera rangela irukkunnu sonnen.. innaiku Feb 14th vera..
But urimaiyooda kelvi ketkurathu thappen illa.. if you are seriously asking(yaara paarthu intha kelvi :self-hammer: ..
what he didnt show? I felt he showed a bit more in this film... enna puriyala?
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:30 PM [Full View]
Yep..the same in Anjaathe too right? nobody opens the mouth.. More than the parents itz our soceity to be blamed for that.. Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:31 PM [Full View]
ungalukku padathula enna puriyala? sollunga.. let us try to answer that.. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 05:37 PM [Full View]
hamid, guess there is a miscommunication.
I have no part in the movie which i don understand. andha hostel madhiri torture nadandhirukkalaam'nu sonnadhaala adhukku endha clue/justification illaye'nu sonen...
and personally enakku andha family'oda commitment avlo convincinga padala... but those can be admitted in this kinda movie.
apram unga postla enakku seriousness'e kedayadhu'nu hint irundhadhu...
veliya solladheenga.
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:40 PM [Full View]
SS,
The torture is based on the crimes committed by them
show paarthavanga - lost their eyes..
poy saatchi sonnavanga- lost their tongue
thunai ponavanga - lost their hands.. and possibly their lives..
ithellam ndathunavanga - lost their lives.. (torture panna chance kidaikkala)
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From: Rbee on 14th February 2011 05:48 PM [Full View]
Average. We get a clue about killers in the first half itself. There is one particular scene where the profile of the killer is shown . We can easily make out it is a woman due to the widened pelvis. Thereafter it was no mystery at all. And is it really difficult for people to make a realistic fight scene? It is well understood and documented that the chances of killing a prey is greater when you attack as a group (lions, hyenas, wild dogs) . The bridge scene was really funny to say the least. I watched it with the same constant smirk I had when I watched the fiery warriors' attack in Ayurathil oruvan. The commander asks his men not to fire until the men are at a very close firing range. This scene is a direct lift from Braveheart. Mel Gibson orders his men not to attack until the enemies are really close. There it made sense. But with a gun in my hand I wouldn't wait to shoot . I would maximize my chances of killing the enemy and minimize the chance of getting hurt by firing as quickly as possible. There was no logic in that scene. It is compromised in this movie as well, especially the last scene.
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From: directhit on 14th February 2011 05:49 PM [Full View]
I didnt find the 'leaving clues' for cops(was it for em?) that convincing... they know already that the one of the top cop is involved, then why leave clues for them?! if it was after Cheran took up the case (and knowing he is a honest guy) then makes sense...
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:51 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Rbee
which scene are you talking about?
So the bridge fight let the whole film down?
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 05:53 PM [Full View]
hamid... ya i almost understood the level of punishment.. (though personally i feel killing is a lighter punishment than torturing)
naan solradhu avanga kudumbathula irukkura motivation... i can understand the mother's outburst and pazhi vaangara kobam... and i am also convinced that they take help of some people to kill them or whatever mean... idhula avanga oru LeT'la train panna madhiri techniques, principles, sketches'oda idhellam panradhu enakku avlo convincinga padala...
but ya, i can convince myself by sayin that the pain and loss they went thru is as big as anything else. aana..... hope u understand
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From: Rbee on 14th February 2011 05:54 PM [Full View]
There is one scene in the first half. I don't remember the sequence. The killer is shown doing something to the captive .
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:56 PM [Full View]
DH.. leaving the clus for cops or not.. have to think.. Originally Posted by directhit
But they dont know there is a top cop involved initially.. They first kidnap britto and lab technician.. they didnt kill them.. through them they get the auto drivers.. through the auto drivers they came to know about the jaffer(was it a diff name. the motor cycle guy) through him they would have found the cops..
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From: Ramkumar86 on 14th February 2011 05:56 PM [Full View]
I have one doubt
**** SPOILER *******
Cheran's sister is also captured by them. Why they not put her in their show..
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:58 PM [Full View]
Hmm. I get what you are saying.. especially antha paiyan.. he may not have the same vengence as the parents.. But ithellam romba chinna vishayama enakku pattuthu.. and through jayaprakash he answers for that also.. "ithanoondu ariva vachikittu niinga ivvalo akkiramam panna ivvalo ariva vachikittu naanga evvalo panna mudiyum" Remember all of them are doctors and classmates.. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 05:59 PM [Full View]
yes.. valid question. I also had the same.. The police fellow knows she is Cheran's sister and could be useful in future. He says the same at one stage too.. Originally Posted by Ramkumar86
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 06:03 PM [Full View]
Yes. He accepts that he is not sure why he is still keeping her, but he is sure that she will be handy one day (indicating that, he will use her as a pawn). Originally Posted by hamid
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 06:04 PM [Full View]
Here is what jayaprakash says : Originally Posted by SoftSword
"Manasatchi endra koondu Kula oru periya mirugam valandhu kitu irrukudhu
Athu veliya vandha ethan nadakum"
Konchondu arivu vachikittu thairiyama thappu panamudium na....
Evalavu arivu vachi irruka engalala evalavu panamudium"
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From: directhit on 14th February 2011 06:05 PM [Full View]
yeah, in general someone taking vengeance/revenge wouldnt bother doing things this way nu solla vandhen.. ie leaving clues/marks etc (in front of police station to point its someone in this station etc). its usually the serial killers or ppl with a point to prove to cops who indulge in such stuff Originally Posted by hamid
the only thing i can think of is that the family wanted to bring the guys into light (but the thing is they are going to kill them - so why nu puriyala - nyayam/dharmam/family name etc maybe)
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From: ajaybaskar on 14th February 2011 06:05 PM [Full View]
Andha 2 months avalukku saappadu potta selavai compensate panradhukkachum yedhavadhu pannirukkalaam.
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From: directhit on 14th February 2011 06:06 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by hamid
loved that dialogue
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 06:08 PM [Full View]
hmm.. or maybe they wanted to scare the police fellows by saying their death is nearby.. different way of torture.. remember.. all the body partys were thrown at the jurisdiction of these police.. and actually ivan pora parkla, station munnalannu ippadi.. Originally Posted by directhit
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 06:11 PM [Full View]
You got to follow the flashback to see the line of events. The hands were not displayed from the begining, but after they found some facts that lead them to certain people. The display is a clue for JK as well as a threat for culprits. Remeber the scene in the mortuary where Jayaprakash says to JK " the observer is observed" Originally Posted by directhit
Anyway, they do not leave the clues so that the police finds them. They really do not care as they have already planned to take their life. But to bring the truth out ... in anywhich way possible
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From: Thirumaran on 14th February 2011 06:12 PM [Full View]
The thing is by bringing such things into public's notice, making public awareness to start with. Originally Posted by directhit
They were not just worried about only their Child. Such things should not happen for anyone is also the reason.
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From: Thirumaran on 14th February 2011 06:14 PM [Full View]
ithu maathiri paesura ungala ellaam kadaththi Show vaikira business onnu start pannanum Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Andha 2 months avalukku saappadu potta selavai compensate panradhukkachum yedhavadhu pannirukkalaam.
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From: directhit on 14th February 2011 06:14 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by arthi2780
yeah this is what i said as well... the only plausible explanation perhaps.. still not convincing Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 06:17 PM [Full View]
but as far as i remember, the family is not completely introduced before that scene so u cant connect the dots. but yes... during second time watch i found out easily who is doing all the acts Originally Posted by Rbee
and the clues are left as warning signs for the bad cops involved, as they are placed in the areas they control and live. remember when cheran said, the head kept in the watermelon cart... the eyelids were removed and someone says the eyes are looking at the police station here to say they are watched.
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From: directhit on 14th February 2011 06:17 PM [Full View]
true TM - but they totally ignored the media in that case... by planting all that stuff in the same area as of culprits, either they were trying to scare em or get JK's attention Originally Posted by Thirumaran
what i felt is the more public attention they get the more difficult it is for *this* group to kill and achieve what they want
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 06:28 PM [Full View]
arthi,
i agree on the manasukkula irukkura mirugam veliya varradhu, but andha mirugatthoda professionlism, resources, state-of-the-art successful projects, flawless business plans, these are a bit exhaggerated IMO... fine. am taking it as the freedom of myskin and so no more cribbing.
ajay,
summa vechirundhangala... naan first pakrapo nadakka vendiya nalladhellam nadandhirukkum'nu nenachen...
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 06:32 PM [Full View]
Did you expect to have scenes showing "sun news" or "nd tv" like in all other movies. The script is quite brilliant to avoid such unwated scenes. Its understood by the reaction of the public that the message is passed. No need to show several head lines of dailies to prove this. The main concentration is thus given to the investigation rather than repeated imposition of the same message. Remember its not a hollywood movie, where you are obliged to speak out your password while typing it. Originally Posted by directhit
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 06:35 PM [Full View]
Thats the point. How far would one go ... so on so forth ... Originally Posted by SoftSword
"am taking it as the freedom of myskin and so no more cribbing")
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From: directhit on 14th February 2011 07:13 PM [Full View]
eh!! Originally Posted by arthi2780
Btw by public attention the reference was to alerting the rest of public
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 07:56 PM [Full View]
Okay.. who is the guy who got killed in the mansion?
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From: directhit on 14th February 2011 08:13 PM [Full View]
Raja Manickam - aalthotta party
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 08:22 PM [Full View]
No.. Rajamanickam is captured by the YG gang and got his hand copped off ( remember "en raasaa.. eiya raasamaanickam" by his mother at the subway)... this guy is killed by the cop group. based on the Thrisangu's information.. Originally Posted by directhit
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From: MumbaiRamki on 14th February 2011 09:18 PM [Full View]
I think that thread is different from the main string of murders and thats what cheran says to his superior ..it was done by the person who had put some false news against YG /wife..
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 09:21 PM [Full View]
even i guess that murder in the lodge was done for manickavinaayagam...
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 09:28 PM [Full View]
The murder was done by the cop gang.. Remember Cheran's dialogue to his superior when he wants to arrest the cops.. after asking for the gun he will say "namakku news vanthappa anga thrisangu irunthaaru". (then the officer agrees to get weappon for Cheran.) implies he(cop) passed on the information and their gang killed the guy to silence him.. But yaaru.. ethukku konnanga? avana escape aaka solli irukkalam illa? Am I missing something there?
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 09:37 PM [Full View]
cheran will not mention the name of the police involved.
and they killed him cos they knew that police is gonna trap him anyway, and anyday if they catch him he is gonna identify the persons behind the scene.
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From: arthi2780 on 14th February 2011 09:37 PM [Full View]
THe guy who is killed in the lodge is Raghu, a friend/associate of Rajamanikam. He stays there and Rajamanikam comes to visit him the night before (as said by the romm boy). He was murdered by the manickavinaayagam group, reason only known to them. Guess : maybe he cracked after hearing the kidnaps and hand displayed and they got to silence him + he was the last one to see rajamanikam and the cop does not want him to create a new chain of investigation. by silencing him, the lead stops there.
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 09:50 PM [Full View]
The police will get an information that they have found the rajamanickam's bike.. At the time the bad cop will also be there.. he will pass on the info that Cheran is coming there and ask his gang to silence him before cheran gets there..
I think this is where he strongly suspects the cops and start to follow them after getting weapon... sue to that he will stop the kidnap attempt of Inspector.
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 09:52 PM [Full View]
Police has only found Rajamanickam bike.. whose photo does Cheran have in hand?( which the room boy acknowledges) It should be Raghu's right? How did he suspect Raghu? If they already suspect Raghu, then SS's reasoning seems logical..anyway the police will get to him..
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From: SoftSword on 14th February 2011 10:25 PM [Full View]
mattha directors'kum myskin'kum oru vitthyasam...
matthavanga neraya yosichu chinna chinnadhaa neraya scenes vechu kadhai solluvanga....
ivaru romba kammi scenes aana neelamaana scenes vechu makkala yosichu neengale kadhai therinjukkonganu solraar.
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 10:30 PM [Full View]
Isnt that Britto? I think yes.. [Cheran will ask why should Britto stay in Mansion?] Originally Posted by arthi2780
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From: hamid on 14th February 2011 10:49 PM [Full View]
http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-s...n/20110202.htm
Myshkin Interview about yuddham sei (old one, but not yet posted)
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From: Mukzi on 15th February 2011 10:23 AM [Full View]
there is a new going around..that this movie is copied from a Korean Movie Called "Memories of Murder"...
has anyone watched the Korean movie...
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From: kid-glove on 15th February 2011 10:48 AM [Full View]
I haven't seen YS. But reading the different reactions, I don't see any connection that could be drawn to MoM (if only superficial plot-points and genre exercises), as that film is entirely tied to 86-91 killings in Korean countryside with very specific commentary on perfunctory sub-standard procedural, problematic logistics, indecisiveness, inconclusive evidence, withering with passage of time, and such. And Bong Joon-ho's superbly controlled 'light' (often comical/distant) tone/mood to plod the narrative. Majorly due to team coda, (Self-)obsession, misuse of power, didactic exchange (causal effect & damage to others and within themselves) of brotherhood-in-arms.
If YS manages to (even) replicate some of the aforementioned (all while adapted to Indian setting and mores), my increase for Mysskin would increase.
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From: Mukzi on 15th February 2011 12:59 PM [Full View]
point..noted... Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: hamid on 15th February 2011 01:12 PM [Full View]
Any plans to watch.want to hear your views. I believe you will like it Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: ajaybaskar on 15th February 2011 01:38 PM [Full View]
Kid,
Both the films share nothing in common.
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From: kid-glove on 15th February 2011 04:10 PM [Full View]
Ajay,
Ah Okay. My point is that I'd appreciate him regardless (Even if he derived certain aspects of MoM - I'd be interested to see where he'd take it to)
Hamid,
This weekend, I think.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 15th February 2011 06:16 PM [Full View]
Daily so time maatharaanga pa
Siruthai ku ellam prime time, rascals
Indha weekend paathe aagonum
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 16th February 2011 04:26 AM [Full View]
Great film! Misskin strongly on his way to become appaatakkar! Shows some fresh talent thru different genres of films! Nandalala, Chithiram Pesuthadi, Anjathey, Yutham sei, not released Buddha's Tooth & Ballot Box!
Thick plot and good performance by all! Except cheran no one is big star.
No heroine, no songs and still the movie is good! This is big difference btw anjathey and yutham sei! For most of the times, cheran just looks like a 3rd party investigater who doesn't have a directly affected victim(his sister)
CHaaru's name is well used all over the film and even without showing the face, the impact is created most of the time( Charu is the name of Cheran's sister
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BGM And Music - Kalakkuraar, very promising, very talented!
B'lora la aadukaLam, iLaignan paravalaa oditrukku but yutham sei running only in PVR inspite of wednesday, crowd was decent!(near to half full) how is it doing in TN?
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From: Anban on 16th February 2011 04:30 AM [Full View]
saw the movie again.. Mysskin kalakkuraanyaa.. BGM thaaru maaru-nu sonnaa kooda athu under statement thaan.. some dialogues are some what peter-ish.. could have been avoided.. but ippo tamil channels paathaale ellorum peter viduraanunga..
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From: irir123 on 16th February 2011 07:35 PM [Full View]
fate of innovative / quality films in tamil:
both nandalala and yuddham sei either had very limited release overseas, or, were taken away after just one week of shows!
looks like even a 100 Mysskins cant save tamil cinema, which needs a big star cast for its survival!
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 16th February 2011 07:53 PM [Full View]
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies...e-aid0136.html
யுத்தம் செய், பயணம் ஆகிய படங்கள் முதலுக்கு மோசமில்லை என்ற ரகம்தான். மீதிப் படங்கள் அனைத்துமே பப்படமாகியுள்ளன.
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From: directhit on 16th February 2011 08:09 PM [Full View]
Cheran has Raja Manickam's photo in hand - avaroda kai dhaane second aa vandhadhu. the boy says he comes to meet Raghu anna frequently, last visit being the night (or week) before.. Originally Posted by hamid
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From: Mahen on 16th February 2011 08:17 PM [Full View]
Kalavani,Mynaa and Angadi theru had no big stars but were hit-superhit..Stars matter illai, it is the presentation that matters..Myskin needs to change his style of film making if he wants to make it big.. Originally Posted by irir123
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From: Anban on 16th February 2011 08:34 PM [Full View]
seriously.. read what you have posted.. yen ippidi?? Tammanaa-va glamour-a kaamichu, soo-cute-monents naalu vatchu ungala jollu vida vatchaa thaanaaa??? Originally Posted by Mahen
Kalavani, mynaa , angadi theru ellaam LOVE stories.. Nandhalala and Yudham sei have no romance tracks.. summa isttathukku post panna koodaathu..
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From: arthi2780 on 16th February 2011 08:36 PM [Full View]
Sila "stars" padam release avatharku munalaye "Block Buster" inu solrangale adhu matter a. Originally Posted by Mahen
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From: Nerd on 16th February 2011 08:38 PM [Full View]
Most oscar winners are not wide releases even in the USA. Why single out Tamil cinema?!?! Originally Posted by irir123
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From: Mahen on 16th February 2011 09:17 PM [Full View]
Why are you bringing Tammu in? Originally Posted by Anban
seriously.. read what you have posted.. yen ippidi?? Tammanaa-va glamour-a kaamichu, soo-cute-monents naalu vatchu ungala jollu vida vatchaa thaanaaa???
Kalavani, mynaa , angadi theru ellaam LOVE stories.. Nandhalala and Yudham sei have no romance tracks.. summa isttathukku post panna koodaathu.. I was responding to Irir's post and thats the reason i brought in Kalavani/Myna/AT..All three have no stars..That was my point..
Irir was not talking abt the genres i believe..
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From: irir123 on 17th February 2011 07:08 PM [Full View]
Who cares abt oscar winners ? does hollywood make 100s of films per year ? not all of them may have a big following, but there are genres for which there are audience niches and very rarely do they bite the dust our films do when they are non-formulaic
its a question of getting audiences tastes stereotyped - it much be changing, but not to the extent, one would wish
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From: sathya_1979 on 17th February 2011 07:15 PM [Full View]
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From: Nerd on 18th February 2011 12:58 AM [Full View]
If you don't care about oscar winners, some people may not care about Mysskin films. What kind of a logic is this??!
My point was not-all-great-films-run-in-other-parts-of-the-world. Also in thamizh cinema, 99% of the critically acclaimed films have had a good run in the past 3-4 years. When I say good run, I mean in Tamil Nadu. You don't expect a French film to be even released in TN, how could you expect a thamizh film to release and run for 100 days in the USA? Most films release in NJ/Bay area where most tamils are.
Is this so difficult to understand??!!
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From: Plum on 18th February 2011 06:43 AM [Full View]
Koot. Myshkin is seriously good. But tell me this, what role in any of his movies prompt people to tell Kamal shoud work with him? What does Kamal have to prove by playing any of myshkin's roles - enna manickavinayagam role kamal paNNanumnu edhir pArkarIngaLA?
Oruthar nallA padam eduthuttA avar kooda kamal work paNNalaina, kamalukku thaan dhaan arivALinu nenaippunnu solRadhA?
Myshkin has made atleast 2 fine movies(the only 2 of his i have seen so there might be more) but he hasnt written any role that demands Kamal, the actor.
Myshkin, the director makes his own films so he is not the person to execute kamal's scripts.
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From: Plum on 18th February 2011 06:51 AM [Full View]
Going back in time machine, maybe
After pudhu vasantham becomes a hit, tn people advice kamal
"Ninga dhaan nalla padam edukka mudiyunnu nenaikka koodadhu. Vikraman paarunga evlo azhagaa vulgarity illaama padam eduthurukkaar. Avar padathula nadinga. Ennadhu, maatteengalaa? You are a arrogant prick we say"
Ditto after cheran pandiyan and gentlemwn - wait, he actually took that advice
But I guess you get the point.
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From: krsenthilkumaran on 18th February 2011 10:23 AM [Full View]
yesterday watched this movie in my native.. Fantastic movie... Myskin has done a fablus job..
Must watch 4 girls.. Picturaisation, camera angles.. Wowwww... This s wer tamil cinema dictrs are lagging..
Last few mins were embrassing.. When Reality touches it peak, its disgustin.. No need 4 such scenes.. Whic will leave bad imp on dirctr amng family audience.. On the whole a fablus movie.. film will have gud run in A centre's...
Dir could have casted a famus actor instead of cheran, so tat d film cud've got gud reach...
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From: venkkiram on 22nd February 2011 12:10 AM [Full View]
யுத்தம் செய் : பிரமாதம். வியப்பா இருக்கு நம்ம தமிழ்ப் படத்தின் கதை, திரைக்கதை யுத்தி இந்த உயரத்திற்கு சென்றுவிட்டதா என நினைக்கும் போது. வாழ்த்துக்கள் மிஷ்கின். வழக்குகளை துப்பு துலக்கும் போது தொடர் சங்கிலி போல விரிவடைந்து கொண்டே செல்லும் யுத்தி மனத்தைக் கவர்கிறது. கதையை இன்னும் தெளிவாக புரிந்து கொள்ள இன்னொரு முறை பார்க்கணும் என்ற ஆர்வத்தை எனக்குள் ஏற்படுத்திய முதல் தமிழ்ப் படம் யுத்தம் செய். சேரன், ஜெயப்ரகாஷ் என பாத்திரத்திற்கு பொருந்திய நடிகர்கள். ஒய்.ஜி பாத்திரம் கனக்கச்சிதம். எரிபொருளை தலையில் ஊற்றிக்கொள்ளும் காட்சியில் இயல்பு. கடைசி இருபது நிமிடங்களை இன்னும் சிறப்பாக எடுத்திருக்கலாம் என்பது என் அபிப்ராயம். ஒளிப்பதிவு அருமை. இது இசையமைப்பாளரின் முதல் படம் என்பதை நம்ப முடியவில்லை. வாழ்த்துக்கள் கே. இன்னும் பல இடங்களில் இசை இல்லாமல் மௌனமாகவே இருந்திருக்கலாம் எனத் தோன்றுகிறது.
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From: m_karthik on 22nd February 2011 01:29 AM [Full View]
Back to Back Mysskin titles in the weekend.. Nandalaala and Yuddham Sei..
Awesome films..and great narration.. Liked Yuddham Sei more than Nandalaala.. Might be because of the suspense aspect.. I regret watching Yuddham Sei online.. Should watch in theatre for the masterclass BGM..
Now, after being completely aware of his way of film making... I would like to have another viewing of Chithiram Pesudhadi..
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From: venkkiram on 22nd February 2011 09:20 AM [Full View]
நாலு படம் இதுவரை. பணம் சம்பாரிக்கணும் என்ற நினைப்பிருந்தால் எப்படியெல்லாமோ காட்சிகளை வைத்து பணம் பார்க்கலாம். மிஷ்கின் உங்க நேர்மை பிடித்திருக்கிறது. "ஒரு நாயகன் உதயமாகிறான்.." என்பது போல, ஒரு இயக்குனர் கொஞ்ச கொஞ்சமாக பட்டை தீட்டப்பட்டு வருகிறார்.
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From: Plum on 22nd February 2011 12:17 PM [Full View]
Yes, I felt the same too and mentioned in the other threadஇன்னும் பல இடங்களில் இசை இல்லாமல் மௌனமாகவே இருந்திருக்கலாம் எனத் தோன்றுகிறது.
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From: Cinemarasigan on 22nd February 2011 12:44 PM [Full View]
+1. In the recent times critically acclaimed movies are profitable / breaking even to makers.. This is a good trend.. It really encourages the film makers to go for quality movies within a reasonable budget.. Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: Cinemarasigan on 22nd February 2011 12:47 PM [Full View]
True.. One of the directors who can take Tamil films to a different level.. Originally Posted by venkkiram
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From: mareen on 22nd February 2011 04:49 PM [Full View]
Google Adsense is a member of Hub and fan of Yuddemsei
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From: venkkiram on 22nd February 2011 08:06 PM [Full View]
If I wish Kamal to participate in Yuddham Sei, I want him to do both Cheran and Jeyaprakash roles. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: balaajee on 23rd February 2011 01:42 PM [Full View]
Yuddham Sei has cinematography within the written screenplay which must have been bound before the shoot began.- 600024.com
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 23rd February 2011 03:32 PM [Full View]
படத்தின் கதாபாத்திரங்கள் பாதிக்கப்பட்டவர்கள், சரிதான், அதற்காக, எல்லா இடங்களிலும் சோக இழை ஓடும் இசை இருப்பது பல பேரை வெறுக்க வைக்கும். இசை நன்றாக இருந்தது வேறு விஷயம். "படம்னா ஜாலியா இருக்கனுமா, இதென்ன ஒரே சோகமும் இருட்டுமா" என்பார்கள். இது அப்படி பட்டவர்களுக்கான படம் அல்ல, என்ன நடக்கின்றது, கதை எப்படி போகின்றது என, உற்று கவனிப்பவர்களுக்கு தான் இந்த படம் பிடிக்கும். கொஞ்சம் ஜனரஞ்சகம் சேர்த்திருக்கலாம். ஒரே பாடல் கூட படத்தின் கதையை ஒட்டியே வருகிறது. ஒரு சாரார் இதெல்லாம் மிகவும் விரும்புவார்கள் ஆனாலும் இன்னும் கொஞ்சம் ஜனரஞ்சகமாக எடுத்திருக்கலாம்.
தமிழ் சினிமாவின் உருப்படியான இயக்குனர் பட்டியலில் மிஷ்கின் சேர்ந்துவிட்டார். ஒரு பட அற்புதம் என்ற நிலையை கடந்தவர்கள் மட்டுமே அந்த பட்டியலுக்கு பரிசீலிக்க படுவார்கள்! பேட்டி கூட, தெளிவாக இருந்தது, தான் ஒரு சரக்குள்ள இயக்குனர் என்பதை நிரூபித்து கொண்டே இருந்தார்!
ஏற்கனவே சொன்னது போல சாருவின் பெயரை இயக்குனர் நன்கு பயன்படுத்தி உள்ளார். படம் முழுக்க சாரு சாரு என புலம்புகிறார் சேரன்! பின்னே, அவர் தங்கச்சி பேராச்சே அது!
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From: Cinemarasigan on 23rd February 2011 05:13 PM [Full View]
Nice review.. Unga sondha review-va ? Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
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From: hamid on 23rd February 2011 05:25 PM [Full View]
Thanks for bringing this thread back to focus
How many prople are connected to the mansion? Rajamanickam, Britto and Raghu? [Britto's brother says he sent him away and Britto was staying in mansion. I think Cheran gets his photo there.. isnt it?] Originally Posted by directhit
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From: hamid on 23rd February 2011 05:27 PM [Full View]
Sakala.. write more..
K-G, B(K),
Were you able to watch the movie during the weekend? if so post your thoughts here..
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From: balaajee on 23rd February 2011 05:29 PM [Full View]
you can please some of the people, some of the time, but you can't please all of the people, all of the time. Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
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From: hamid on 23rd February 2011 05:32 PM [Full View]
in my view it is good that he doesnt care about pleasing all and did compromises.. those who want a janaranjaka thriller can go and watch payanam
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From: SoftSword on 23rd February 2011 05:35 PM [Full View]
payanam thrillera?
enakku oru nimisam kooda andha padapadappu yerpadala...
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From: hamid on 23rd February 2011 05:38 PM [Full View]
whs the importance of showing the journalist related scenes? there are no unnecessary frames in the movie. the only thing conveyed there is the doctor's wife had an affair in the college. But the same is conveyed by the police too.. is he trying to show how effective journalists are? ( and as if they care for the victims?)
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From: hamid on 23rd February 2011 05:39 PM [Full View]
exactly.. passengers ellam eetho picnic pora maathiri iruntha eppadi padapadappu varum? ithula comedy vera.. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: balaajee on 23rd February 2011 05:52 PM [Full View]
Were u thrilled by 'NADUNISI NAAYGAL' Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: Thirumaran on 23rd February 2011 05:54 PM [Full View]
Many mass heroes movies are thrillers only... Even if u visit for multiple times, u dont get the story and why the hell hero does all those unintentional comedies(heroism).
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From: hamid on 23rd February 2011 05:59 PM [Full View]
hmm...wrong classification.. it should be mystery movies then :P Originally Posted by Thirumaran
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From: ajaybaskar on 23rd February 2011 06:00 PM [Full View]
What's wrong with Payanam? Its a clean entertainer.
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From: SoftSword on 23rd February 2011 06:02 PM [Full View]
no i was not. i mentioned in my post there. Originally Posted by balaajee
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From: SoftSword on 23rd February 2011 06:03 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
naan appove sollala... nallathambi eppovum ipdithaan romba karutthaa pesuvaaru'nu....
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From: hamid on 23rd February 2011 06:03 PM [Full View]
Exactly.. who denied that? It is clean entertainer happening on a highjacked flight Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: Thirumaran on 23rd February 2011 07:27 PM [Full View]
oh... ithellaam movies ngra categories la fit aavuthe. .athuvae periya vishayam Originally Posted by hamid
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From: SoftSword on 23rd February 2011 07:33 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
sorry thiru...
ippodhaan payanam threadla unga post pathen... ungalukku pudichirukunu theriyama post paniten
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From: Plum on 23rd February 2011 07:52 PM [Full View]
Actually, i expect something on these lines:
PerunkuRRam seidha Adhikka samudhAyathavarAna rajapandi, avaradhu thOzhargaL, kAval thuRai uyar adhigArigaL AgiyOr allAmal, kuRRathukku siRiya vagaiyil thuNai pOna auto Ottunar, adiyAL, peon pOndravargaL chitravadhai seyyapattu sAvadhAga kAnbippadhu iyakkunarin pArpaneeya sindhanaiyai kAttugiRadhu.
Or, is that sort of thing only reserved for kamal and shankar?
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From: SoftSword on 23rd February 2011 08:04 PM [Full View]
plum.... patthip'podunga...
i guess someone pointed out before that, whoever gave a helping hand are punished by getting their hands chopped...
and finally whoever watched the show got their eyes blind...
aana indha madhiri solra alavu policekellam edhum pannalayae...
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From: sathya_1979 on 23rd February 2011 08:41 PM [Full View]
Isakki muthu, nadu mandaiyila kodaali
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From: SoftSword on 23rd February 2011 08:47 PM [Full View]
interesting... and how is thrisangu killed?
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From: sathya_1979 on 23rd February 2011 08:49 PM [Full View]
Shot by Cheran
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From: SoftSword on 23rd February 2011 08:57 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
oh then the logic is intact...
if he was killed by the family then he would hav got hit in the head...
the logic is followed by the family in killing the sinners and not followed by myskin in killing the characters...
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From: Plum on 23rd February 2011 09:07 PM [Full View]
It's not about the film's internal logic. kELvi kEkkaravanga logiclAm purinju kEppAngaLA? Director En adhikka samudhaaya characters either not killed or killed easily but adakapatta samudhaayathor tortured AND killednu kEppAnga. Adhaavadhu, ipdi oru script with this kind of logicE, apdi oru paarpaneeya sindhanaiya parappuvadharkAga thaan ezhudniaarunnu. That is my point, yuvar aanar. Maybe sujatha or kamal not involved means such questions are off
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From: Thirumaran on 23rd February 2011 10:16 PM [Full View]
ithukellaam ethukku sorry.. unakku evvalavo theriyaama thaan irukku.. athukellaam sorry kaettaa, thani forum thaan create pannanum.. it is ok Originally Posted by SoftSword
sorry thiru...
ippodhaan payanam threadla unga post pathen... ungalukku pudichirukunu theriyama post paniten
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From: venkkiram on 23rd February 2011 10:35 PM [Full View]
This time, I should appreciate your POV. Yes, you nailed it. Thank god Kamal and Sujatha or even Shankar not part of this. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: balaajee on 28th February 2011 03:36 PM [Full View]
Entire Technical crew(almost) came in Vijay TV Friday 10:00pm.
Ke music director looked like a college student- told that movie is like poetry
Cheran- as usual fired on other movie (Siruthai- hero plays on heroine’s hips & too much violent)
Jayaprakash- was not given much chances
Selva(actor)-“I liked Thimiru kalanda confidence of Myskin “
Myskkin- Too happy with audience commend.
Told he don’t believe 4 men fighting with one man & Man to man is the fight he likes when questioned about fight is artificial as one by one attacking the hero.
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From: complicateur on 28th February 2011 03:43 PM [Full View]
Watched the film this past Saturday. Loveliness. More detailed thoughts being processed.
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From: Plum on 28th February 2011 04:03 PM [Full View]
Process paNNi ingE pOdunga
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From: hamid on 28th February 2011 04:37 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by complicateur
write more..
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 01:12 PM [Full View]
All of us have faced a conundrum or two in our professional lives. We have at our disposal today a number of tools to dissect and diagnose these problems. The problem of course is that the tools, in and of themselves tend to be distractingly attractive. So seduced are we that some of us tend to utilise these tools to collect way more information than is actually required. And as a consequence we are so mired in data that we lose sight of the problem in all the clutter. Unwittingly we've all contributed to turning the age of information into the age of misinformation. Few directors in the Thamizh film industry have embodied this ethos as well as Mysskin has in his four film old career. His images - through attention to detail, focus on the oddities and unusual framing - leave us with a glut of information that we must expend effort processing what is presented to us. Not for this man, the overexposition of every minor detail through dialog or visuals. His filmmaking is characterized by a stubborn refusal to share information with his audience in a structured manner. This was underlined by a nice moment of irony as I watched Yudhdham Sei this past Saturday. A rather boisterous couple of girls in the adjacent seat were complaining (quite loudly I must add) that they were unable to understand the proceedings. In the scene that followed almost immediately a response appeared, on a postit on JK's wall. "F--k Off" it read. It was impossible for me not to see that note as Mysskin's derision for those who do not have enough patience to see a film through.
While the discerning viewer processes all the information that Mysskin throws at him, there is enough finesse in the scenes and the music to draw him in to proceedings as they were. Consider, for instance, how he chooses to introduce to us the dismembered parts. The first set makes its appearance during a particularly raucous celebration bringing in the new year. Mankind is often at its most selfish when it is happy. When you laugh often the world will laugh with you just to be polite - not because it shares your joy. That no one in that large crowd of revelers chooses to see how a cardboard box of severed body parts reached the roof of a car underlines how unempathetic joy makes us. If the introduction of the first set of body parts is indiction of happiness, the second indicts the viewers themselves. As the ominous background music (Some lovely work with the strings by K here) floats around the walkers and flickering tubelights of a city park we already know that the contents of another cardboard box are waiting to be found. And we are transformed immediately into those perverse voyeurs who rubberneck traffic around a particularly gruesome accident. We want to see one of the walkers discover it and be horrified. Having stolen this from us the first time around Mysskin gives it to us this time, but still holds back the theatrics as if to say "you will get what you want but on my terms".
And this is the defining trait of Yudhdham Sei - that the audience must accept the film on Mysskin's terms. At its core it is a police procedural set in a rather dark reality. There are no incentives to be good in this world. In fact one is unsure about what constitutes 'good' in this world. It is a world where a perpetually drunk mortician lies nearly indistinguishable from the cadavers he examines, a borther must serve tea to find his sister and a police officer must bribe his own kind to get information that he should be privy to. To get into any of the plot dynamics would be to alter the terms on which Mysskin wants his viewers entering the cinema hall. And so I shall leave you with a small observation I made during my viewing. Two of my fellow viewers, the same ones who exhibited a disturbing lack of patience during the initial portions of the film, were cheering loudly during some portions in the psychosis fueled violence of the second half. With this portion of the film Mysskin seems to have found that frayed last nerve on which a lot of women are when it comes to the daily inequities they face. I am unsure what was more disturbing, the single minded violence or the cheer it received from some quarters of the aaudience. Are we that pissed off? And if we are what are we doing about it?
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 02:24 PM [Full View]
Lovely Compli. The best piece in this forum for a long time. Although, I guess, more can come from where this came from
Oh I would like to print and frame this. Copyright violation okvA?When you laugh often the world will laugh with you just to be polite - not because it shares your joy. That no one in that large crowd of revelers chooses to see how a cardboard box of severed body parts reached the roof of a car underlines how unempathetic joy makes us.
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From: Cinemarasigan on 1st March 2011 03:15 PM [Full View]
Superb review.. Padatthai vida indha review nallaa irukkum pola irukke.. Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: groucho070 on 1st March 2011 03:31 PM [Full View]
+1. Sure makes me curious. Still running in Malaysian theaters? Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 03:36 PM [Full View]
Plum, CR, groucho - Thanks.
"A glut of of information" and lack of overexposition may at initial glance indicate opposing ideas so I think I ought to clarify. There is a lot of information in the scenes and while they are relevant to building Mysskin's reality it is entirely unclear what they are telling us about the plot engine of the film. This is some skill iI must say! Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 03:45 PM [Full View]
Nice post Compli. Particularly the point about Myshkin giving/denying what he pleases, when telling the story.
Exactly. I wanted to bring up this exact point. Originally Posted by Compli
Jayaprakash says something to the effect that: yEn dA dEi neengellAm konjam aRivai vachukittu ivvaLavu paNNA, naangellAm ivvaLO (evvaLO?) aRivai vachukittu etc.
The family behind me broke into applause. Middle class angst-aamaam. sollavE illai !
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From: ajaybaskar on 1st March 2011 03:49 PM [Full View]
'Naangalum rowdythaan'nu solraanga.
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From: Anban on 1st March 2011 03:50 PM [Full View]
@compli,
I am happy that you liked the film.. but your review gave me a headache..
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From: Roshan on 1st March 2011 03:58 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Anban
No offense met Compli - I have not seen the film, yet I tried to read your review but couldn't get pass the 2nd line.
BTW, MD K unga friend'nu kaeLvi pattaen
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 03:58 PM [Full View]
Romba vetti scene-ngrathunaalaya? Illa "ippO nee ennangurE?" appadingaringaLA? Originally Posted by Anban
Roshan- None taken. Sometimes hit, sometimes miss thaan. But what was it about the second line that pissed you off so much? Was it too tangential? Just asking.
I met him quite recently through some common friends. Very very nice chap.
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 04:00 PM [Full View]
I thought I could see Myshkin smiling away to himself when he wrote and shot this scene - crowd-pleasing, touching a raw nerve, making it palatable to audience but all along, stringing us to see a movie he wants us to see.Jayaprakash says something to the effect that: yEn dA dEi neengellAm konjam aRivai vachukittu ivvaLavu paNNA, naangellAm ivvaLO (evvaLO?) aRivai vachukittu etc.
It was like "konjUndu arivai vechukittu audience-pleasning-nu sollikittu mindless masala padam edukkaRIngaLE(Vigilante theme masalas?), andha riff-aiyE payan paduththi nAn epdi patta padam - audience pleasingA - edukka mudiyum pArungadA"
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 04:01 PM [Full View]
Obviously, you dont trust your audience as Myshkin does Originally Posted by complicateur
. I got this without the exposition
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From: Sarna on 1st March 2011 04:03 PM [Full View]
தெருவில் குரங்கு குட்டி கரணம் போட்டாலும் வேடிக்கை பாப்போம் Originally Posted by complicateur
கொலை நடத்தாலும் வேடிக்கை பாப்போம்
யாராவுது இப்படி படம் எடுத்தா, theatre போயி கைய்யும் தட்டுவோம்
பலகோடி கொல்லையடிச்சவங்கள ஓட்டு போட்டு ஜெயிக்கவும் வப்போம்
நாம எல்லாம் யாரு... கல்தோன்றி மண்தோன்றா காலத்தே முன்தோன்றிய மூத்தக்குடி'யாச்சே
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From: Roshan on 1st March 2011 04:03 PM [Full View]
Oh sorry, 2nd line'ku maela pOga mudiyalannu solla vanthaen. ezhuthumpOthE yEthO confuse paNRaennu purinjuthu.. sorry :embarassed: Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 04:04 PM [Full View]
It wasn't any more a review than a standalone essay, very erudite and insightful about a filmmaker's engagement with audience (and how the former's wary of latter's processing ability & still proceeds on his own terms) !
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 04:07 PM [Full View]
Oh wow, that dialogue is way too Shankar-esque to be in a Mysskin film!
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 04:08 PM [Full View]
Naan ethugai-naa neenga mOnai-yaa vanthu nikkurInga. IppO Anban vanthu ungaLukkum kuttu veppAr! Thanks BTW. Originally Posted by kid-glove
It wasn't any more a review than a standalone essay, very erudite and insightful about a filmmaker's engagement with audience (and how the former's wary of latter's processing ability & still proceeds on his own terms) !
Roshan - I am asking if it was something about the second line or that you had lost interest by the time the second line rolled around. I guess I am trying to figure out what makes me unreadable.
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 04:12 PM [Full View]
Exactly, and that is why I felt Myshkin might have intended what I interpreted out of it Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 04:15 PM [Full View]
unnum pfull padam paakkalaiyA? Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 04:25 PM [Full View]
idhu dhaan purla. Why unempathetic? From 'Didn't notice in the celebration' to 'don't really care about the next guy', is a bit of a reach. Not that people aren't like that or anything, just that 'that' scene didn't seem to say it.That no one in that large crowd of revelers chooses to see how a cardboard box of severed body parts reached the roof of a car underlines how unempathetic joy makes us.
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From: SoftSword on 1st March 2011 04:26 PM [Full View]
compli
unga father tongue english'a??
valakkama enakku neenga eludhuradhu avlava puriyadhu...
but padam paththadhaala oru kutthu madhippa ovvoru linelayum indha dhaan solluveenga'nu oru assumptionku vandhuten....
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From: Anban on 1st March 2011 04:32 PM [Full View]
vetti scene ellaam illa.. it lacks simplicity.. CAT-la ithu maathiri sila Reading Comprehension passages varum.. appidiyea vittutu poyitte iruppen.. antha nyaamagam ellaam vanthuduchu.. Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 04:34 PM [Full View]
எனக்கின்னும் அவ்வளொ நம்பிக்கையெல்லாம் வரலை. பெண்கள் எப்பிடி தகிரியமா இருக்கணும், confdant அப்பிடிங்கிற மாதிரி விஜய்டிவில ஒரு கலந்துரையாடல் ஓடிச்சு. மிஷ்கினும் ஒரு சோபாவுல உக்காந்திருந்தாப்ல. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 04:36 PM [Full View]
P_R,
This isn't the first scene in a film where severed body parts are found in public (killer trying to tell something to the cop). I've always seen this trope as a sort of meta as to what the filmmaker is trying to tell the audience - - like Charlie Kaufman reads the usage of multiple personality as an indication that Donald simply lacks talent. Where does the filmmaker place these dismembered organs? Who finds them? What happens to the person finding them? Are they relevant at all?
In YS the second, third and fourth set of body parts are obviously found by someone. The only one that does not get the benefit of having a single person finding it is the first carton. And that is located in a place that possibly has the greatest density of people. This sort of placement made me reach that conclusion. I have other conclusions about the other people who found the bodies as well but if you found this a bit of a reach then those conclusions will seem even more far fetched.
SS,
Nandri hai.
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 04:38 PM [Full View]
Anban,
Hmm. Solla varrathu definite-a simple vishayam illa. That maybe one issue but let me see what I can do about it.
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 04:43 PM [Full View]
You can still say that out Compli. I am far more credulous than Feeyar and might buy it. I think Myshkin can be given the benefit of doubt(on intentional fallacy) - even in that peNgaL dhaiaryamA irukkaNum discussion, message man Cheran was the one who was going ballistic on peNgaL ellOrum pArkaNum. I thought Myshkin was restrained and going along with Cheran.
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 04:44 PM [Full View]
Don't do much about it - I like it the way you have written. ellOrum simplify paNNittA, nAnga yArai padikkaRadhu? Anban will surely find writers who appeal to him. Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 04:47 PM [Full View]
Myshkin actually said this Feeyar: "mass heronu opening song ellAm vechu, dance Adikittu kumbidaRadhu ellAm dhAn enakku pfunnnyA irukku " etc. He was quite dismissive, as you would expect him to be. I wouldnt put it beyond him to imply this.
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 04:50 PM [Full View]
Anban/Roshan, theLivA thaanE eyidhirukaapla. Perhaps you should try para2 and 3 and then 1.
Compli's point about denying the audience what is wants to see is pretty important when assessing the film experience. Often I was uneasy because I didn't get to see what I wanted to see. Myshkin was denying it, dangling it. Many scenes 'settled' as they proceed (as opposed our tradition of it being unambigious at the start of the scene and we 'merely' digesting how it plays out). பொத்தாம்பொதுவா 'வித்யாசம்'னு சொல்லாம ரொம்ப குறிப்பா சொல்லிருக்கார்.
One scene which I liked that so many people liked was (தமிழ் சினிமா ரசனையைப் பத்தி பெருமிதம் கொள்ற அளவுக்குக் கூட அகங்காரம் இல்லைன்னா அப்புறம் ஹப்ல இருந்து என்ன பயன்) was the watermelon scene. You don't know what to expect. Mildly uneasy, expecting something thrilling and untoward, then when he steals and speeds off, the audience just cracked up. Police total damage. Then of course the frozen frame the next day (parakkum, pandhu parakkum) is also well done. You are denied the shot of the head for so so long, which is what you know you want to see. You are made aware of that yet again.
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 04:53 PM [Full View]
சேரர் 'வருமுன் காப்போம்' ரீதியில ஏதோ சொல்லப் பார்த்தார் Originally Posted by Plum
முதலுக்கே மோசமாயிரும்னு அந்த fointலேர்ந்து வேகமா நகர்ந்து வந்துட்டாங்க.
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 04:56 PM [Full View]
P_R,
Thanks for mentioning that Watermelon scene. Lovely lovely scene. The juxtaposition of the stolen Watermelon and the head is very very nice. I mean how many people were content with forgetting about the vendor and if he was ever recompensed for the capital he lost? Nemba pudichirunthuthu.
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 04:58 PM [Full View]
Yeah, but intentionally throwing a bait with heartfelt insincerety, is not something I expect of him. செஞ்சிருந்தா ரொம்ப சந்தோஷம். ஏன்னா ரொம்ப ஒன்றிட்டா உருப்படியா செதுக்க முடியாதுங்க்றது என் பணிவான அபிப்ராயம். Originally Posted by Plum
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 05:04 PM [Full View]
Only seen the promos so far, and read B_R's BP. Thankful that Compli's post is consciously spoiler-free & somewhat generic, of Mysskin's filmmaking style. Originally Posted by P_R
From other posts here, I get a fair bit of idea about overwhelming vigilantism. Underwhelming you know!
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 05:08 PM [Full View]
Cherar messagela inspire Agi dhAn wife agreed to come to the movie. parthuttu nemba vex AyittAnga? Like, "peNgaL pArkaNum, varumun kAppOm typela messagenu sonnAnga? Originally Posted by P_R
சேரர் 'வருமுன் காப்போம்' ரீதியில ஏதோ சொல்லப் பார்த்தார்
முதலுக்கே மோசமாயிரும்னு அந்த fointலேர்ந்து வேகமா நகர்ந்து வந்துட்டாங்க."
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From: hamid on 1st March 2011 05:09 PM [Full View]
ah..finally the film deserves the kind of response and discussion it should have..
Compli..thanks
Yep.. can able to understand after reading twice (or thrice at times )
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 05:12 PM [Full View]
Plum / P_R,
Enga school principal ellAm promote paNraanga on TV, sighting similar female empowerment reasons!
Hamid,
NanRi..I think.
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 05:17 PM [Full View]
Btw, Mysskin's target audience middle/upper-middle class thaanE?
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 05:18 PM [Full View]
ஆணாதிக்க freudian silip Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 05:20 PM [Full View]
Kid, watch the movie firstyA! idhukku pOi 5 year plan pOttukittirukkInga? Oru korean movie kammiyA pArthukkungaLEn Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 05:23 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
(I am being forced to atleast twice or none at all. KonjamA chippA irukkura post ellAm enna paavam paNNichu?)
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From: Anban on 1st March 2011 05:24 PM [Full View]
simple-aana vishayam illa thaan.. but my view is that, its too verbose and GRE-ish.. athukkunnu, simple language summary eluthunnu kekka koodaathu..btw, i cant figure out your display pic .. whats that?? Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: hamid on 1st March 2011 05:26 PM [Full View]
K-G,
naanga sonna ellam paarka maatiinga Compli sonnathaan paarpiingala illa the same goes with Grouch too
anyway good that you will see the movie..
B(K) vum paarkanumnu sonnar.. paarthaara therila..
Compli,
as much as possible avoid english movie references.. (No roshomons. use Virumaandis ).
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From: Roshan on 1st March 2011 05:28 PM [Full View]
idhenna pulp fiction screen play'A? Originally Posted by P_R
ippadiyellaam kashtapattu thamizhla kooda padikka maattaen. Just thought of sharing this piece which I came across recently;
Communication is not merely the use of language. It is an attitude – a willingness to share; to learn; to reach out; and to speak. The clarity of the message is as important as the choice of medium. The commitment of the communicator is as important as the message. Such a process involves learning from people, sharing with them, and inspiring and being inspired by them
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 05:28 PM [Full View]
Korean movie, I download and watch yA! Originally Posted by Plum
My lazy ass wouldn't get off the couch. I did see Nandhalala the very first first weekend & loved it. But YS doesn't quite appeal to me!
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 05:31 PM [Full View]
When did I say that? Originally Posted by hamid
K-G,
naanga sonna ellam paarka maatiinga Compli sonnathaan paarpiingala illa
Look at my previous post, I'm still not able to push that extra gear to watch this!
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From: hamid on 1st March 2011 05:34 PM [Full View]
oh..ippavum paarka maatiingaloo.. hmmm.. very baed.. ungalaalathaan thamiz cinemavukku vidivu kaalamporakka maatenguthu Originally Posted by kid-glove
When did I say that?
Look at my previous post, I'm still not able to push that extra gear to watch this!
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From: P_R on 1st March 2011 05:38 PM [Full View]
Roshan, since the 1st para is more 'general plasaby' (which didn't interest you) and 2nd and 3rd are about the film itself (which you may have been more interested in reading) I suggested that. That's all. Freeya vidunga
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 05:39 PM [Full View]
When all fails, this uruthal helps! Originally Posted by hamid
oh..ippavum paarka maatiingaloo.. hmmm.. very baed.. ungalaalathaan thamiz cinemavukku vidivu kaalamporakka maatenguthu
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 05:41 PM [Full View]
Apropos nothing, and with the identities of the principals in this narration probably mixed up,
Once, fans of Sarath Chandra Chatterjee(Mukherjee?) went to him and praised him for his work, and compared him favourably against Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, whom they complained was too verbose, oblique and incomprehensible
Sarath replied to them " I write for people like you; he writes for people like me"
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From: Anban on 1st March 2011 05:59 PM [Full View]
ellaathayum padichuttu thaan sonnen.. I have no problem with the content but I have some issues with the way it is presented.. anyway, we shudnt be discussing this much about someone's style of writing here.. Originally Posted by P_R
Roshan, since the 1st para is more 'general plasaby' (which didn't interest you) and 2nd and 3rd are about the film itself (which you may have been more interested in reading) I suggested that. That's all. Freeya vidunga
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 06:14 PM [Full View]
this much illai little muchnAlum adhu too much dhAn Anban. There is not an extra word in Compli's piece. Perfectly put-together sentences, with just enough words, and the right words to express his comprehensive view. If he wrote it spontaneously, then a. If he wrote it after deliberation, still a
enakku puriyalainA, nAn dhAn effort edukkaNum illai freeyA vudaNum. If he modifies that essay , for instance, nAn tea kudippEn. ThoughtsA mukkiyam? epdi ezhudharAngangaradhum mukkiyam. Infact, content importantE illai. There needs to be just enough content to justify and make absorbing the style.
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From: Sarna on 1st March 2011 06:29 PM [Full View]
complicateur, ur posts(especially the last big one on yudham sei) are more poetic, lovely to read & easy to understand. And more importantly, ur post doesnt look like wanna-be peterish, but it looks like "அதெல்லாம் அதுவா வரனும்" style. Please don't change the style
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 06:29 PM [Full View]
Plum,
I'm not sure you implied it, but actually the reason why Compli's (or any) post appeals to me is precisely because of the form (exquisite as it is) being married to content. That's what, I think, sets the best writers from the rest (especially those who indulge in empty formalism).
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From: Roshan on 1st March 2011 06:31 PM [Full View]
Oh plum, neenga ivvaLavu kashtapada vEnaam, it's like undermining Compli's work. AnbanukkO enakkO puriyalEnnaa - puriyalEnnaa pOnga'nu vittutu irukkanum, the more you try to defend and explain Compli's post more it proves Anban right. I surely understand your loyalty towards Compli though
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From: SoftSword on 1st March 2011 06:39 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kid-glove
neenga first one hour patthadhaala spoiler free... fulla pakkadhavangalukku initial scenes'a padam pudichu kaatirukkaar
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 06:43 PM [Full View]
Roshan,
Oho. Reason ellaam irukka? BTW I just read the post again I think I lost you somewhere aroun "in and of themselves".
Plum,
niruthidunga "the lady doth protest too much" aayidum!
Anban,
Those passages - GRE, GMAT etc.. - are not passages written to be purposely confusing. OTOH they are taken from actual publications. But I do understand that it does not automatically make that style acceptable. The picture is of a friend's guitar.
P_R,
LOL at the slip! yOsikkavE illayE!
Sarna/kg,
Nandri hai. IthellAm athuvaa varathu thaan. Sila times personal obsessions find a way into these reviews. As P_R points out they do seem like a bit of a stretch. "ingErunthu pAtha theriyuthuNNE!"
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From: Cinemarasigan on 1st March 2011 07:01 PM [Full View]
+1. Amaamaam, style-um thaanaa varadhu.. Originally Posted by Sarna
complicateur, ur posts(especially the last big one on yudham sei) are more poetic, lovely to read & easy to understand. And more importantly, ur post doesnt look like wanna-be peterish, but it looks like "அதெல்லாம் அதுவா வரனும்" style. Please don't change the style
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 07:08 PM [Full View]
Oh, of course it should! Anything above the level of telephone directory, and is actually penned by a living thing, is invariably defined by personal considerations. Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: MADDY on 1st March 2011 07:14 PM [Full View]
read compli's review, puriyala - maybe watching the movie would help
i too feel mysskin gives a lot of information and these info are never a clue to how the story would shape but i dunno if thats a trait for a great creator........i like directors giving lot of information but coherently with a pattern and giving a beautiful design when joined at one point in the film..........ex: kubrick
also, i would like mysskin to be come up with better characterisations than the "edge of the society" introverts that are sprayed around in his film........
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 07:16 PM [Full View]
I wasnt explaining his post anywhere. Check again. ippO en postsE puriyalaiyA? kashtam dhAn! Originally Posted by Roshan
Oh plum, neenga ivvaLavu kashtapada vEnaam, it's like undermining Compli's work. AnbanukkO enakkO puriyalEnnaa - puriyalEnnaa pOnga'nu vittutu irukkanum, the more you try to defend and explain Compli's post more it proves Anban right. I surely understand your loyalty towards Compli though
And I am not defending - I never do. I am attacking, which is why you are defending now.
ungaLukku puriyalainA, your loss avLO dhAn. There is nothing wrong with that though - and nothing to invite a sermon on communication there as though Compli needs to change his style. If he does, it will be a loss to me hence my reaction. Refer the Sarath Chandra story
mathabadi loyalty ellAm en kitta yArumE edhir pArkamAttAngannu nenaikkaREn. People are quite smart, you know
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 07:18 PM [Full View]
If you seen the movie, from word 1 Compfli's essay is self-explanatory. Predictable, in a way, too. I am not saying it in an un-complimentary intent.read compli's review, puriyala - maybe watching the movie would help
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From: Plum on 1st March 2011 07:19 PM [Full View]
Ofcourse. Although as a PGW fan, content is just an excuse as far as I am concerned. Doesnt mean zero content will appeal. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: SoftSword on 1st March 2011 07:23 PM [Full View]
telephone directory mattum vaanathula irundha gudhichadhu? Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: kid-glove on 1st March 2011 07:27 PM [Full View]
purila, correct-A thaanE pOttu irukkEn. Pliss Explain. Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: Sarna on 1st March 2011 07:42 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
read compli's review, puriyala - maybe watching the movie would helpa big Originally Posted by Plum
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From: MADDY on 1st March 2011 07:49 PM [Full View]
oh ok, thanks sarna/plum
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From: venkkiram on 1st March 2011 08:36 PM [Full View]
complicateur,
ஆங்கிலம் - ஆங்கிலம் அகராதியின் துணையோடு உங்கள் பதிவின் பொருள் அறிந்தேன் . நல்லாயிருந்தது.
இந்த கடைசி மூன்று வரிகளில் நீங்க என்ன சொல்ல முற்படுகிறீர்கள் எனப் புலப்படவில்லை . தெளிவு படுத்தவும் .
Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: Anban on 1st March 2011 08:51 PM [Full View]
I did understand the review and it didnt confuse me .. it was just uneasy to read.. thats it.. ! Originally Posted by complicateur
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From: SoftSword on 1st March 2011 09:10 PM [Full View]
kid, adhula avlo importanta nan edhum solla varala... Originally Posted by kid-glove
purila, correct-A thaanE pOttu irukkEn. Pliss Explain.
TD'yum oru group namakku enna thevayo adha mattum dhan compose panni kudukuraanga'nu sonen.
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From: venkkiram on 1st March 2011 09:39 PM [Full View]
ஜே.கே தனது புலனாய்வில் காவலர்களையே சந்தேகப் பட ஆரம்பித்ததை ஒட்டி, அவரும் மேலதிகாரியும் காரசாரமாக உரையாடும் காட்சி. சாதாரண தரத்தில் இருக்கும் ஒரு உருவாக்கம் என்றால் அந்தக் காட்சியின் முதல் கோணமே நேரிடையாக அவர்கள் உரையாடலிலிருந்தே தொடங்கியிருக்கும் . ஆனால் இங்கு ரொம்ப இயல்பாக .. கண்ணாடி அறையில் அவர்கள் தீவிரமாக உரையாடிக் கொண்டிருப்பார்கள் . நிதானமில்லாமல் , மேலதிகாரி அறைக்கதவை திறந்து வெளியே வருவார் . மீண்டும் உள்ளே செல்வார்.. அதற்குப் பிறகே அவர்கள் பேசிக்கொள்ளும் வார்த்தைகள் வசனக்களாக நம் காதிற்கு வரும். இந்த உருவாக்கம் பிடித்துப் போனது .
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From: Roshan on 1st March 2011 10:54 PM [Full View]
Oh appadiyaa.. thanks for clarifying.. attack paNNa kooda entha avasiyam illa - because engaLukku puriyalEnna (borrowing your words) it's our loss avLOthaan, phew! simple. Neenga ethukku siramapattu attack ellaam paNNanum. It's upto the author to clarify or leave it. Compli did that well and it was over. Neenga ethukku naduvula pugunthu sambantham illaama attack paNNanum (yEthO oru Sundar C padathula Vivek naduvula pugunthu fight paNNa try paNRa maathiri) Originally Posted by Plum
That's upto Compli to accept it or leave it - inga oru naaLaikku nootru kaNakkaana opinion post paNRaanga - adha mathavanga follow paNNuvaangaLaa illaaiyaannu sila pEr tension aana adhu vEdikkai. People are quite smart you know, they know what they do and what to follow. Naan sonnEngrathukkaaga Compli style'a maathuvaarnu neenga tension aanaa I dont know what to call it.nothing to invite a sermon on communication there as though Compli needs to change his style. If he does, it will be a loss to me hence my reaction
NaNbEndaa range'la argue paNNittu iruntha maathiri thOnuchu.. adhaan sonnEn. Take it easymathabadi loyalty ellAm en kitta yArumE edhir pArkamAttAngannu nenaikkaREn. People are quite smart, you know
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From: complicateur on 1st March 2011 11:29 PM [Full View]
Anban,
Noted.
Venkkiram,
The violence in the second half of the film is quite gruesome by any standards. I felt quite strange to have young women and families around me cheer for the portions that P_R mentioned earlier and also the violent retribution. And this wasn't appreciation for the filming. This was just blatant blood lust. I think one of them even screamed "nachchunu nadu maNdailayE vettu". They were egging the perpetrators on like the audience at the Colosseum! There is either some sort of collective anger that Mysskin has tapped into or I just saw the movie with a particularly feral crowd. But P_R's affirmation tends to confirm my assumption of the former.
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From: Roshan on 1st March 2011 11:49 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by complicateur
Interesting. I watched Apocalypto last week end. As you know there are violant and gruesome scenes right from the very first scene and it keeps increasing as the movie unfolds. When the hero escapes from those Maya community fellows and enters his homeland (jumping through the deadly waterfalls) and challenges his enemies with vengeance- I could not control myself - i was watching the movie all by myself still I said loudly "ovvoruthanaa pOttu thaLLu" and when he starts attaacking and killing one by one I was clapping. As you have rightly mentioned, I think it's the collective anger that director has tapped into and the credit should go to the director. Loved Apocaplypto and it's director for that aspect more.
Will surely watch YS when I get back to SL this month. AthukkappuRam unga review padikkiRaen - and hope I will be able to understand it better
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From: venkkiram on 1st March 2011 11:54 PM [Full View]
எனக்கு அந்த வசனங்கள் பொருந்தி வந்ததாக தோன்றியது. குற்றம் செய்யும் காவலர்கள் மற்றும் தொழிலதிபர்களின் படிப்பறிவை ஒப்பிட்டு ஒரு மருத்துவர் தன்னை உயர்த்திப் பேசும் ஆணவம். அது இயல்புதான். இதில் நடுத்தரம், ஒடுக்கப்பட்டவர்கள் எனறெல்லாம் தோண்டத் தேவையில்லை எனக் கருதுகிறேன். அந்த ஆணவம் அறிவை ஒட்டியே , பொருளாதாரத்தை சார்ந்தது அல்ல என்பதே என் உள்வாங்குதல் . Originally Posted by P_R
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From: venkkiram on 2nd March 2011 12:02 AM [Full View]
விளக்கத்திற்கு நன்றி complicateur.
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From: complicateur on 2nd March 2011 12:09 AM [Full View]
Venkkiram,
From the standpoint of the filming one cant summarily dismiss the way this scene was shot. Jayaprakash was obviously (or at least as obviously as is allowable in a film such as this one) breaking the fourth wall here. Even if one writes this off to the ego of the character, it is quite disconcerting to have the audience head-nod along to it in a manner that suggests they are completely aware of this due to personal experience!
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From: San_K on 2nd March 2011 12:13 AM [Full View]
Watched and liked it. But it could have been done better. I meant the execution. Here i mean 'the story telling'
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From: arthi2780 on 2nd March 2011 02:44 AM [Full View]
[QUOTE=Roshan;644215it's the collective anger that director has tapped into and the credit should go to the director. [/QUOTE]
I don't agree with you. Its NOT the "anger" that the director taped, its "emotion" and emotion could be any feeling produced by a human. If a person cries watching a film, it does not mean that the director has tapped something "particular". THe director simply lays things before you and its the individuals capacity to understand and act. THis "anger" thing does not work on all, so lets not generalise things. Apocaplypto is an emotional tale of a father/husband. Its this aspect that has attracted you to the movie and not the violence. You are running with him and you absolutely want him to survive and reunion with his pregnant wife ... you are with him and when he is in danger, you attain your breaking point and cry out loud. It happens to many, while watching a movie (or for that a TV serial) I have seen many telling the main character that he is been followed or he has left his phone or his vehicule's break has been removed.
The only merit that goes to the Director is his narration and the style he lays things before you. You crack by yourself !
Comming back to Yudham Sei, I was involved for long, but as the movie was nearing climax, I started to shift my position, as (according to me) the director lost the grip on the narration, and I had to walk thru to the climax just to see a (predictable) ending. I critised the over action of YG & co in the comical climax. But, there were people who appreciated his act, justified the end and pitied them. THat does not mean that I have taken a non-violent path and the others the violent one. It all depends on your understanding and involvement and everyone is tapped accordingly.
In general, Indian audiences have a comparative nature. Thats why still the "washing powder" adds shows the comparison of the neighbour's clothes with yours. Similarly, watching movies make them associate their life for the next 150 mins with the principle character. That explains the middle class family claping for Jayaprakash dialogue. They would not have had such a violent experience, but they feel helpless just like him. Seeing his uttering such things makes them feel good. But after 150 mins, it again the same reality - starting with a quarell in the cinema parking area ...
So the audiences are not violent or influenced by such violence, but I accept that there "may be" some exception. Lets not generalise it.
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From: irir123 on 2nd March 2011 02:54 AM [Full View]
dont know if it is a cultural thing, but of late such an expectation for humility from public figures is reaching irritating proportions in the realm of public consciousness in India. Originally Posted by Movie Cop
#1. I seriously doubt, if Kamal would have said like that as a "blanket statement" and I think the above claim is untrue. As RR said, assuming even if he said "I am the best", there would have been some context to it.
#2. Even if he said that a "blanket statement" w/o any context - what is wrong or criminal about it?
Indhe "Humility/Modesty paadhukaavalaga Sangam"-uhh ban pannanumappa!
another popular figure oft-referred to is Sachin Tendulkar who is often referred to as a 'humble' man 'despite his greatness' ! someone has scored more 100s than anyone in cricket and his cricket is showing no signs of ageing and yet ppl dare to condescend and judge him on their own perceptions of humility.
I just dont understand this kind of crap! a majority of Indian media is basically jobless, and crazy and just dont know if they really have it in them to objectively look at celebrities.
I am yet to see a report that says Clint Eastwood is arrogant or modest - everyone talk about his films and his evolution from an actor to an auteur!
nammala yaarum thirutthavey mudiyaadhu!
humilty my a**
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd March 2011 08:24 AM [Full View]
Hamid,
Padam remba nalla irunchu nu Films thread la yerkanave post pannirundhene.
Rendu trip paarthaagivittadhu. Aadukalam was also good but YS paartha thirupthi AK vida dhaasthi-ya irundhudhu
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd March 2011 08:34 AM [Full View]
Andha fight scene pathi makkal karuthu enna? Mysskin's Kurosawa fixation but padathula paathappa remba nerudala theriyala, in the context of that scene
Sketch podradhu, formation, choreography ellam elaborate-a irukkum, funny in a way but wth....
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From: groucho070 on 2nd March 2011 08:40 AM [Full View]
Ahn...appadiye theatre-a thedi pudichi parten, parunngga. Loved Compli's elegantly written review, and made me more curious, ampuduthen. Innum parkala, boss. Originally Posted by hamid
K-G,
naanga sonna ellam paarka maatiinga Compli sonnathaan paarpiingala illa the same goes with Grouch too
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd March 2011 08:43 AM [Full View]
Vijay TV Super singer la Meni Unnan madhiri judges summarize panra madhiri ("overall it was good. Sila edathula konjam nalla pannirukkalaam, patti thatti tinkering paathirukkalaam, " etc) solla dhaan naanga irukkome, nachunnu puttu vaikka namma Compli/Equa madhiri aatkal venum. Style ellam change pannaadheenga saar
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 09:12 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
btw enakkum paarthu mudikka sollo YS dhaan pudich. Now as the dust settles I like AdukaLam more and more.
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 09:23 AM [Full View]
Exactly and the follow-up tv diskasan/promos seemed to be pitching the movie as 'feel good ye powerless middleclass'. Which was quite Originally Posted by complicateur
Originally Posted by complicateur
Vadivelu to Machaan in Vetrikodi kattu: ivvaLavu kOvakkaarannu ivvaLo naaL theriyaama pOchE.
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 10:44 AM [Full View]
What a fall. Roshan. nethu dhAn (sports section) unga sarcasm and biting, compelling debating skills paththi perumaiyA sonnEn - ipdi all sAdhAraNA people use paNNum "nAn avan kitta sonnEn, nI karuththu sollAdha" argument-ai use paNNi ipdi adhai oDaichuttIngaLEIt's upto the author to clarify or leave it. Compli did that well and it was over. Neenga ethukku naduvula pugunthu sambantham illaama attack paNNanum
I never understand this - once you put it on here, anybody can comment on anything. The debate should be around the points made, not who said what to whom. I trust this was a slip and you'll be back to your biting self, soon.
That aside, Communication SermonlAm koNdu vandhu pressure pOdum bOdhu oru padaippALikku reassurance thEvai padugiRadhu. As a writer whose writing I appreciate precisely for his style, it is very important I affirm it. You under-estimate the ability of biting words on a purveyor of art.
sari nAn irukkattum - sarNA who has previously confessed difficulty in comprehending Compfli emphatically backed me on this - avarum naNbaendAvA
maththabadi, I am sure you can withstand any attack(yesterday's slip notwithstanding) so absolutely no qualms on that
p.s: I'd like to clarify that I haven't so much as had a PM conversation with Compflea(Unlike say, Feekay, Feeyaar or EkkuvA) ever, let alone personal or online friendship. yArA irundhAlum I say what I feel. You might think I wouldnt stand up for Maddy given our history but I do for certain issues where I think he is right. I think I am quite transparent in this forum on that aspect. Let's move on)
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 10:45 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
. That.
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From: CHELLA(M)PORIKKI on 2nd March 2011 10:51 AM [Full View]
i watched this movie some 2 weeks b4..
it is really a good movie... i didnt feel any place that went slow.. and its far more better thaan NN so neraya peru intha padatha antha padathukuda compare panuranga...
pls dont do that... this is a good film... which can b watched by all ages...
pk: this is only my view...
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 11:00 AM [Full View]
:shabbaa: Originally Posted by Plum
What a fall. Roshan. nethu dhAn (sports section) unga sarcasm and biting, compelling debating skills paththi perumaiyA sonnEn - ipdi all sAdhAraNA people use paNNum "nAn avan kitta sonnEn, nI karuththu sollAdha" argument-ai use paNNi ipdi adhai oDaichuttIngaLE
Plum,
You are making simple issues into complex for your convinience and pass on a judegement to that with the tone that others are defeated and hit their ego part all the time.. more than the issues you are always painting a picture of the person and yourself.. by this way you are painting a (possibly) wrong picture for compli too ..
this is a simple issue and you have blown out of proportions and pass on a judement here.. please.. why do you think Compli cannot handle or answer it and you become his advocate? Anban and Roshan said their views and similarly you could have present your views.. but to say something like "If you cant understand you should leave it" etc are unwarranted.. Compli can say that.. not you.. Compli can decide whether to explain or leave it..
Please allow the forum to function with everybody's contribution.
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 11:16 AM [Full View]
You SHOULD write in a way I understand-nu communications sermon kudukkaRachE, I can very well say this. Anban/Roshan are strong enough and can bite back. ippO nInga edhukku on behalf of Anban/Roshan pEsaRIngannu nAn kEkka mAttEn. You have every right to do that because my post touches your nerve. I am consistent, you seebut to say something like "If you cant understand you should leave it" etc are unwarranted.. Compli can say that.. not you.. Compli can decide whether to explain or leave it..
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 11:16 AM [Full View]
Just from the pomos, Cheran's sit down pose seemed Samurai Jack-esque Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 11:22 AM [Full View]
Thinking back, On that Jayaprakash scene, there is an obvious attempt to tap into middle class "angst" - the scene goes normal until Jayaprakash reaches that part . Before he throws the bouncer "unga veettula, unga poNNukku nadandhA summA iruppIngaLA", the camera stops and frames him lovingly in a close-up addressing us the audience(of the movie). No wonder the follow up yorker "ivLUndu arivu" hits bulls-eye and invites blood lust.
Have to really re-think whether Myshkin didnt mean the peNgaL vizhippuNarvu, middle class superiority etc there.
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 11:22 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
You SHOULD write in a way I understand-nu communications sermon kudukkaRachE, I can very well say this. Anban/Roshan are strong enough and can bite back. ippO nInga edhukku on behalf of Anban/Roshan pEsaRIngannu nAn kEkka mAttEn. You have every right to do that because my post touches your nerve. I am consistent, you see I am not talking for Roshan or Anban.. If it is I would have talked yesterday itself.. I want the discussion to be on the film.. It is because of you, this is going ovberboard.. You created this situation and so I stepped in.. I am talking about you and directly to you..
Anyway they said to compli only.. not to you.. why should you reply? IMO, Compli can very well hanlde that.. he handled everything so far even before you entered this forum.. so chill out..
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From: Roshan on 2nd March 2011 11:25 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by arthi
I wasnt trying to generalise anywhere, it was my opinion that the Director tapped the anger and I still stand by it.If a person cries watching a film, it does not mean that the director has tapped something "particular". THe director simply lays things before you and its the individuals capacity to understand and act. THis "anger" thing does not work on all, so lets not generalise things.
To be very honest the pregnant wife and son part did not move me at all. At one point I felt it was kind of unfair that only his family survives while the other families get destroyed. I felt more for the guy who is insulted for his impotency and his wife. I also felt for his mother in law (who is a wicked woman). Initially I thought it is he who is going to fight back his enemies (he vows at one point that he would do so) . My 'anger' towards the Maya community was for destroying a village, torturing its people and leaving the kids orphaned. The human sacrifices and mass graves were horrifying. And I dont agree with you that movie is an emotional tale of a father/husband. It was about a particular community's supremacy over other fellow beings. That was my take away of the movie. Even at the end to some extent I felt the revenge was not fulfilling and the guy getting back to his family did not make me feel contented. I was only thinking of those men and women who have been left behind with their cruel enemies. I ended up being terribly disturbed.Apocaplypto is an emotional tale of a father/husband. Its this aspect that has attracted you to the movie and not the violence. You are running with him and you absolutely want him to survive and reunion with his pregnant wife ...you are with him and when he is in danger, you attain your breaking point and cry out loud.
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 11:26 AM [Full View]
Why is that so? If the discussion moves away from the movie into the style of a reviewer, I very well have a right to comment on that. I didnt start that digression. My policy is "mudinjA digression Arambi, vandha digression-ai vidAdhE"
If Roshan/Anban were right in commenting on Compfli's writing style, I very well have the right to comment on their criticism. I am sure Roshan/Anban will agree with me on this - based on their previous in this forum.
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 11:26 AM [Full View]
Oh.. I didnt notice that Bala.. Is it still running in Singapore? Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Even for me Yuddham sey is the movie of the year so far followed by Aadukalam..
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 11:31 AM [Full View]
Plum,
I have said it clearly.. you are blowing it out of proportion and complicate simple things.. sathaaranama mudinju irukka vendiya oru vishayatha oothi perisaakki athula niinga periya aalnu kaattika try panriinga.. thats the primary compliant..
not that whether Roshan/Anban is right or not.. in that I agree with you completely and I have already expressed, "now the film deserves the kind of discussion it should have" I like compli's writing and want him to continue in that way.. the only problem is the way in which you say this by belitting others.. anyway I have made my point and I am sure you know what I mean.. no point in beating around the bush. bye for this topic.. but yes.. You have the right to respond to this here and my response if necessary will be in pm.
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 11:42 AM [Full View]
Hamid, if this is what you think, this is what you think. That is perfectly fine!
I am actually expending my goodwill by doing this - so it should actually be clear there is no intent to build up (you are blowing it out of proportion and complicate simple things.. sathaaranama mudinju irukka vendiya oru vishayatha oothi perisaakki athula niinga periya aalnu kaattika try panriinga.. thats the primary compliant.. - idhu enna mass hero padamA punju dialogue pEsa?) from this discussion; it is just that I have certain pet peeves on certain standard reactions and mentality and I will opine against it whoever it comes from.
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From: Roshan on 2nd March 2011 11:45 AM [Full View]
Hamid ........
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 11:46 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
சங்கமே அபராதத்துல தான் ஓடிக்கிட்டு இருக்கு.
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From: groucho070 on 2nd March 2011 11:47 AM [Full View]
Padam ellam sari, I am slightly concerned with Cheran's performance. Never convinced me from day one. Might ruin my viewing experience.
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 11:49 AM [Full View]
No news is is good news மாதிரி... நம்ம மக்கள் underplay ன்னுட்டாங்க Originally Posted by groucho070
தகிரியமா பாருங்க.
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 11:52 AM [Full View]
Cheran was not awesome .. The best actor in this movie is Jayaprakash.. The script and the sequence of events challenging the viewers is the pleasure to watch.. Cheran is just a tool in that.. Originally Posted by groucho070
and unlike many I didnt like the trailers.. but the movie impressed me verymuch..
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 11:53 AM [Full View]
Since when has Mysskin got the lead performance right?! Even Nandhalala, a very affable film, suffers from its excess.. Cheran could effectively offset this excess (irrespective of Samurai Jack-ing and such). I'd have high hopes for Cheran in a Mysskin film as former's films(& his performances in 'em) have been antithetical to latter in many ways. Something good should come out of this clash of styles. Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 11:57 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
சங்கமே அபராதத்துல தான் ஓடிக்கிட்டு இருக்கு.
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From: groucho070 on 2nd March 2011 11:59 AM [Full View]
Wow, triple response for my query. Okay, PR, will watchout for JP, Hamid. Thilak, Samurai Jack
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 12:00 PM [Full View]
Cheran was just about right. .
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 12:04 PM [Full View]
Gathered together a bunch of tweets about this film that I posted on twitter (at different points of time). Posting it here.
Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 12:08 PM [Full View]
Yeah, and this is why I'm very disquieted by this film. It's almost like Mel's pitching how the Christian mercenaries (the white beacon, at the very end of the film you see the ship approaching) would reform these Mayan half-animals! I'd not be wrong if I suspect Mel's being extremely insincere here. All his films stem from that traditionalist catholic high ground in every possible connotation. The extreme antisemitism in POTC would also suffice. Originally Posted by Roshan
My 'anger' was towards the Maya community for destroying a village, torturing its people and leaving the kids orphaned. The human sacrifices and mass graves were horrifying
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It was about a particular community's supremacy over other fellow beings. That was my take away of the movie
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I ended up being terribly disturbed.
End Digression.
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From: Roshan on 2nd March 2011 12:14 PM [Full View]
Thanks Thilak for adding the Christian Mercenaries part. I felt EXACTLY the same Originally Posted by kid-glove
(to some extent I know about Mel's aversion towards Jews).
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From: krsenthilkumaran on 2nd March 2011 12:21 PM [Full View]
This Film is having goood run in my native (Kumbakonam)
Nadu nisi naigal which is supposed to replace this movie is not yet released in my native
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 12:24 PM [Full View]
And a related conversation I had with someone on twitter. (I haven't asked his permission to quote him here, hope that's not an issue as his tweets are public anyway.) Beware of spoilers!
Originally Posted by ksri1974
Originally Posted by equanimus
Originally Posted by ksri1974
Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 12:29 PM [Full View]
The best thing about YS is Compli & Equa breaking the sabbatical after going AWOL for a while. Welcome back guys..
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 12:43 PM [Full View]
And to round it off, another relevant conversation with @englishtamil (excluding the tweets that went in a different direction i.e. a different film: ஈசன்).
Originally Posted by englishtamil
Originally Posted by equanimus
Originally Posted by englishtamil
Originally Posted by equanimus
Originally Posted by englishtamil
Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: littlemaster1982 on 2nd March 2011 12:47 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 12:50 PM [Full View]
Thanks k-g! (போனா வந்து தானே ஆகணும், வந்தா போயி தானே ஆகணும்.)
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 12:52 PM [Full View]
equa,
Thanks fo the posts.. enna solrathunnu theriyala.. Normally I used to think /analyse in-line with the story. but unga post ellam makes to wonder whether I should think in the other way.. you guys are giving a different angle and think on top of the script/story... getting different dimesnions to it..
write more.. i am listening..
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From: raajarasigan on 2nd March 2011 12:58 PM [Full View]
Meni Unnan
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 12:58 PM [Full View]
ET's tweet on Brechtian distanciation & 'breaking the fourth wall' is very relevant to post-Jayaprakash vigilante episode I suppose.
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From: littlemaster1982 on 2nd March 2011 12:59 PM [Full View]
I really want to watch the film, but I read almost all the spoilers
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 01:00 PM [Full View]
I liked it when I watched for the second time.. Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
I really want to watch the film, but I read almost all the spoilers
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 01:03 PM [Full View]
True, k-g, and I agree with him there. I never got around to reply to him after that, so missed it. I'm pasting his later tweets about the film just so that others here get the context: Originally Posted by kid-glove
Originally Posted by englishtamil
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 01:03 PM [Full View]
The Nandha subplot (GM sings: nee sollAvidil yaar solluvaar ) is a good juxtaposition.
Yes. Well put.It attempts to raise all sorts of questions without seriously about and questioning the notion of honour and shame involved. It's as if Mysskin is desperately trying to find a way out but only goes further inward. .......
Ultimately the film never comes out of this, instead ends up weaving a narrative around it that's emotionally charged much more so than the usual run-of-the-mill film. It's like reinventing the wheel.
But I don't think I have a big problem with the reinvention.
I just found it amusing that it has been boxed and is being sold as a womenslib-by the film.
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 01:05 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kid-glove
neenga mudhalla padathai paarunga
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 01:06 PM [Full View]
"Reversing the gaze" என்றால்?
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 01:48 PM [Full View]
Plum, I doubt that. Perhaps Cheran got carried away and reiterated it more than Mysskin in that particular show, but generally, Mysskin has been the one putting forth this idea about the film in all the promos, that this is a குடும்பத்தோட பார்க்கவேண்டிய படம், குறிப்பா பெண்கள் பார்க்கவேண்டிய படம். There's nothing wrong in saying that, of course. But sometimes he also gives a particular spin to it -- that the film should be seen with one's "பெண் குழந்தை" (i.e. daughter), தங்கச்சி, அக்கா, மனைவி, அம்மா and so on. Again, this sort of "cautionary" tone is also apparent in the film's trailer (the one with that voiceover). Originally Posted by Plum
Also, consider that Cheran is a sentimental filmmaker rooted in the tradition of melodramatic (Tamil) cinema. He wouldn't readily suggest by himself that this sort of a violent vigilante film is for the entire family including பெண்கள், தாய்மார்கள் etc. The point I'm trying to make here is, the urging (Mysskin's as I understand it) here is not something self-evident, par for the course for this kind of a film. Again, nothing wrong with that at all.
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From: Plum on 2nd March 2011 02:00 PM [Full View]
Yeah, and there is the Jayaprakash talking to audience "unga kozhandhai" etc as well. irundhAlum, Myshkin konjam veLayAdaRAROnnu thONudhu with the audience. That reassurance you get with, say, a Shankar, that he DEFINITELY is not implying anything deeper or different than the standard motif, is not there.There's nothing wrong in saying that, of course. But sometimes he also gives a particular spin to it -- that the film should be seen with one's "பெண் குழந்தை" (i.e. daughter), தங்கச்சி, அக்கா, மனைவி, அம்மா and so on. Again, this sort of "cautionary" tone is also apparent in the film's trailer (the one with that voiceover).
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 02:24 PM [Full View]
PR, basically, the camera shifting its gaze so that the gazer is now being gazed upon. e.g. how the neighbour in Rear Window turns to the camera. @englishtamil's point here is Mysskin is simultaneously breaking the fourth wall as well, thus making it a conventional routine that renders the reversal of the gaze irrelevant. Originally Posted by P_R
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 03:01 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by equanimus
this is what you mean right? Originally Posted by wiki
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 03:28 PM [Full View]
Ok. What was the "gaze problematization" here? Originally Posted by equanimus
Firstly I don't off-the-top-of-my-head recall instances of the camera moving from gazee to gazer in this movie. Were there many shots like that?
And even if that were the case, what does it imply about what the storyteller wants to say.
Hmm.. What is the 'relevance of the gaze reversal' in the first place (so much so that breaking fourth wall seems to have run counter to it)? Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 03:31 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
neenga mudhalla padathai paarunga Okay.
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 03:32 PM [Full View]
adhE. Stage is a box with three walls on the sides and back and one imaginary wall between the stage and the audience. The audience 'merely' observes and the stage and characters on it are 'unaware' that they are being seen. That is the basic 'pact' in a stage/movie. That wall is 'broken' when you have characters saying things to the audience/camera like when Jayabrahas says: unga kulandhaikku estra estra. Originally Posted by hamid
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From: hamid on 2nd March 2011 03:38 PM [Full View]
Thanks PR.. Originally Posted by P_R
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 04:16 PM [Full View]
By the way...LOL! Originally Posted by P_R
(GM sings: nee sollAvidil yaar solluvaar )
And thanks for the kind words Hamid.
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From: SoftSword on 2nd March 2011 04:25 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
plum, did u mean to say that JP says 'unga veettula nadandhaa...' dialogue before 'ivlundu arivu...' ?
(enakku neenga apdi solra madhiri dhaan puriyudhu... so neenga adha mean pannalena pinnadi varradha padikkadheenga, apram demerrits of foreign launguage'ala naane vaaya kudutthu asinga pattukka kooadhu )
i think 'konjundu' comes first. (single meaning)
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd March 2011 04:38 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
Same questions Originally Posted by P_R
Equa,
Is this the problem - The notion of rape as a matter of dishonor and shame (and not so much a matter of gross violation/violence - this is an extremely thin line illaya. How exactly does a general family.individual react if such a thing were to happen to one's dear ones? And are we sure that Mysskin tows the dishonor line? The victim may be conditioned so, that's a different issue), and that the notion is from a male point of view? I think englishtamil has this problem when women are shown as ones who need to be 'protected' by men. As in "basically" they are unsafe, vulnerable etc. Kaakka Kaakka la kooda idhu ungalukkum oru main problem-a irundhuchu nu nenaikkaren, if i'm not wrong.
Pazhi vaanga thudikkum ullangalukku oru gratification and vigilante call madhiriyum sila scenes-um interview-um irukkara madhiri irukke, appo idhu basically oru skillfully crafted and tight Shankar/SAC padam madhiriyo?
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 04:45 PM [Full View]
Ahhhh! It treads on tightropes, I suppose. Originally Posted by B(K)
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 2nd March 2011 05:01 PM [Full View]
Mahanadhi pathi Thala sollumbodhu (not verbatim of course) "Rendu penna pethavan, enakku irukkara bayathula edutha padam"
That film is a stark commentary of course, but it is not a vigilante call (or is it?). Even the title here is "Yutham Sei". The basic question i have is, is it artistically inferior if someone strongly takes sides, wants us to be ushaar (or whatever) or uses the medium as a cathartic outlet just like the audience? As against someone who just lets us into the dark with great mastery, merely saying "idhu dhaan ulagam"? Makkal karutha therinjukitta nalla irukkum
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From: littlemaster1982 on 2nd March 2011 05:16 PM [Full View]
Haven't seen Yuttham Sei. But I believe the second choice is tough to make for a film maker. And it's more difficult to stay out of the problem and present it as it is. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 05:34 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
I find Kamal's 'நானும் ஒரு சராசரி குடிமகன்' statements insanely funny. I mean, I get what he is trying to say and all that, but still.
Not as such. But the 'righterous indignation' that it elicited seems to sit well with its maker. (this is what I want -னு சொல்ற மாதிரி இருன்ச்ச்). Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 05:44 PM [Full View]
PR/B(K), Originally Posted by P_R
I thought the film implicated the audience at some points. The peep show in the film looks like an ugly de-eroticized variation of how mainstream cinema depicts/objectifies its women. Some images (like a woman lying on a bed of grapes) bear a striking resemblance here. I think this needs to be seen in conjunction with Mysskin's own anxiety about 'exposing' the female body in his song sequences among other things. And then there are some moments when the girl's mother (Lakshmi Ramakrishnan) directs her action (though not only 'punishing' ones) towards the camera. One is when she repeatedly stabs one of the rapists with an axe. This has incidentally found its way to one of the street posters of the film. I believe there's one more such moment, which I forget or I might be wrong. I remember getting the feeling that it's always the mother figure who gets this 'privilege.' In a sense, the audience is forcibly subjected to her wrath or made to confront her look/gaze.
It is in this respect @englishtamil said, "'Rape revenge' narratives by 'nature' engage with the spectator's personalized morality that s/he also 'knows' as universally shared. Rape, in general, is presumed to warrant all kinds of violence."
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From: Roshan on 2nd March 2011 06:34 PM [Full View]
If I remember correct (he was interviewed by Vairamuthu for a DeepavaLi program on Sun TV) the question was related only to those episodes of Culcatta. The question was basically on Kamal's 'involved' performance in those rescue scenes in Culcutta and his response was (not verbatim though) "poNNa peththa entha appanukkum antha bayam irukkum (and hence the involvement) ". And I thought he was correct ! Originally Posted by P_R
I find Kamal's 'நானும் ஒரு சராசரி குடிமகன்' statements insanely funny. I mean, I get what he is trying to say and all that, but still.
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From: ajaybaskar on 2nd March 2011 06:35 PM [Full View]
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 06:39 PM [Full View]
The problem is it is both (gross violence and also a matter of shame). I think it's very much possible for a film to show an individual's or a family's reaction as such without compromising on what it wants to say. This is where I gave the நந்தா example. Isn't it convenient and predictable for a film to show a totally devastated girl (that she's completely unresponsive and almost dead is also emphasized), a shocked mother who doesn't say a word after seeing her? And the next day -- what else do you expect? -- she kills herself. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
To be frank, I wouldn't place my concern in an ideological framework as strictly and rigorously (and I mean this in a sincerely appreciative sense) as @englishtamil does. But I *am* interested in what the film is basically about, how it reveals and how it deceives, its kernel of truth so to speak. So, in a film like kAkka kAkka which is supposed to be an episode a policeman's life and so on, I think the whole idea of a woman (called Maya, no less) being the cause of his vulnerability is cliched (some sort of adolescent posturing) and also poorly developed. Her character is some kind of prop for the film to achieve nothing particularly remarkable. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 06:55 PM [Full View]
Absolutely not. And this is not about taking sides. The other day I happened to go back to Baradwaj Rangan's interview with Mysskin before நந்தலாலா's release, in which Mysskin has clearly said that யுத்தம் செய் is a "tight vigilante thriller." And as that, it's an excellent one. The problem however is that the film attempts to sincerely examine this kind of sexual violence, raise all sorts of questions without stepping back to inquire about our collective anxiety about it. The patriarchal concern couldn't be more glaring. But Mysskin makes conventional choices throughout that doesn't upset this in a substantial manner. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 07:21 PM [Full View]
Hmm ok. I thought only to the extent that we have a passerby curiosity for the macabre without real concern (as compfli mentioned). But indictment of us, as an audience who is complicit in the objectivification of women on screen - is interesting. But is exactly the kind of thing that I am reluctant to read into in a film, unless strongly encouraged by cues (idhai vida eppidi iRakki kaatta mudiyumnu neenga kEkkalaam Originally Posted by equanimus
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One poster I saw read: ஒரு தாயின் கோபம். Originally Posted by equanimus
Yeah. Ok. I get why 'breaking 4th wall' seems contradictory. It didn't strike me as 'odd' (cringey...that's a different point). Perhaps because I was nowhere near either empathy or guilt. More importantly perhaps because I don't perceive (let alone insist on) consistency in the choice of frames. Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 07:25 PM [Full View]
Oh, I am not denying that at all. Just that his choice of expression here conjured up a vulnerable lower-middle classy Mahanadhi Panchapakesan image that I find funny when laid on top of Kamal's persona. Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 07:31 PM [Full View]
I don't think it's a vigilante call. This is in fact commented upon in the film itself, in the interval scene. The onlookers collectively encourage an enraged but hesitant Krishna to stab/kill Thulukanam, Krishna eventually lets him go and as the film cuts to the intermission, Krishna bows his head as if for having 'descended' into this situation. It's a moment of sadness. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: Roshan on 2nd March 2011 07:38 PM [Full View]
Hmm.. but enakkennavO the persona that we get to see most is not the 'real' kamal appdingra oru abipraayam undu. I have seen him being very much light and comfortable in some of the very few 'informal' interviews, programs etc (it's actually a treat to see him in that mood). His kneeling down to the audience in Vijay TV Kamal 50 function looked more real than his usual speeches. Originally Posted by P_R
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 07:55 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by equanimus
அங்கயே படிச்சுட்டேன்.
Quite seriously I meant it as a way to elicit examples from you/k_g to understand if in waeld cinemas these choice of angles are dictated by such considerations of the kind you mention. And thus consistently maintained throughout the film to elicit/restrict the responses.
அதுல அப்பிடி எல்லாம் இருக்கும் போல. நாம பேசாட்டு கதயப் பாத்துட்டு வந்துர்றோம்'னு நினைக்கிறதுண்டு.
For instance your Hitchcock, அப்பிடி காமிச்சிட்டே இருக்கும்போது, இப்பிடி காமிக்க மாட்டார் - அப்பிடிங்கிற மாதிரி நியதிகள் கடைபிடிக்கிறது உண்டா என்ன?
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From: SoftSword on 2nd March 2011 07:56 PM [Full View]
PR ur last line is ambiguous.
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From: P_R on 2nd March 2011 08:00 PM [Full View]
கொஞ்சம் நீட்டி முழக்கிருக்கேன். இப்பொ? Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: Sarna on 2nd March 2011 08:07 PM [Full View]
ungala backup ellaam pannaleenga... always i post what I feel, & there wont be any hidden motives, edhuvumE indirect'aa irukkaadhu... ellaame direct'aa dhaan irukkum. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: SoftSword on 2nd March 2011 08:27 PM [Full View]
PR, valakkama equa, compli, neenga ellam englishla eludhurappo, word by word meaning purinjukka try pannuven/pannuvom. Originally Posted by P_R
apdi padikkirappo unga last line konjam aanglo grandma tone'la irundhadhu...
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From: venkkiram on 2nd March 2011 08:29 PM [Full View]
படம் முடியும் தருவாயில் ஒய்.ஜி மகனிடம் சேரன் என்ன பேசுவார்? யாரையோ குறிப்பிட்டு ஏன் செஞ்சாங்கன்னு யோசித்து பார் எனச் சொல்வார். சரியா காதில் விழவில்லை படம் பார்த்தபோது. என்னவென்று சரியாக விளக்கவும் .
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From: equanimus on 2nd March 2011 08:39 PM [Full View]
Venkkiram, Originally Posted by venkkiram
Not verbatim, but this is what he tells him: சாகப்போற தன் மகளை உன் அப்பா நாலு வருஷம் வாழ வெச்சார்னு ஜூதாஸ் சொன்னார். அது ஏன்னு உன்னையே நீ கேட்டுப் பார். பதில் கிடைக்கும். இதுக்கு மேல என்ன சொல்றதுன்னு எனக்குத் தெரியல.
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From: SoftSword on 2nd March 2011 08:46 PM [Full View]
andha payan phone vekkiradhukku munnala pudhusa porandha kolandhai madhiri oru smile kuduppan... oattave illa... Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: kid-glove on 2nd March 2011 10:24 PM [Full View]
If I'm understanding it right, yeah, Hitchcock didn't leave it to chance. "The Wrong Man", which in itself deals very intricately with "chance", doesn't leave the gaze to wander around. Everything is controlled. You see what He wants us to see. Every image has a function. His visual sense was always calculative, gaze at material objects, to bring out subliminal reactions in us. Contributed a lot to the vocabulary of cinematic forms & conventions. For instance, nude woman being slashed/hacked to death with the gaze shifting between the victim & assailant like a s-rs in montage. Originally Posted by P_R
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From: jaiganes on 2nd March 2011 10:28 PM [Full View]
If that is so - then it would be a disappointment for me.. Still haven't completed the watch of Nandalala. That seems to be a movie which you can see one scene a day and think of it and be occupied in the thought for a whole day... An aspect of that movie that seems relevant here is the "Attempted Rape" during "Caste clash" that The trio prevent.. While the woman is egging on the "mental" to hack the molester, Mysskin pauses and focuses on the bleeding handicapped guy who was their guide.. For a good 5 second he focuses more on the suffering of that person instead of going for the "bloodlust" of vengeful retribution.. In that he shows the futility of vengeance when there is a "healing" that needs to be done. For someone to alter to "Kill em all" kinda tone in the very next movie.. it is surprising and mildly shocking tooo.. Probably it is "normal" to have the bloodlust and vengefulness..
PS: I meant this post as a quoted reply for B(K) - somehow got posted as a separate post..
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From: varunlss12 on 2nd March 2011 10:44 PM [Full View]
Seen the movie last night. Another gud movie and mysskin trademark film. First half full mystery so very complicate to follow. simple making ,very good n gripping screen play. selection of roles r really gud especially jayaprakash. Film has many plus but mysskin's pattern of film making follows in all his film little bit of boring in that. Fight sequence,BGM, camera angles etc.. Next movie la he should correct this. But very gud movie.
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From: Roshan on 3rd March 2011 12:22 AM [Full View]
Who is this actor Jeyaprakash ? yaaravathu avarOda oru still'a inga upload paNNunga.
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From: venkkiram on 3rd March 2011 12:51 AM [Full View]
Jeyaprakash acted in "Pasanga" as a school teacher Chokkalingam, father of antagonist role "Jeeva"
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From: jaiganes on 3rd March 2011 12:52 AM [Full View]
pasanga padathula iskool vaathyaara varuvaaru avaru.. Originally Posted by Roshan
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From: SoftSword on 3rd March 2011 12:54 AM [Full View]
he is the palanivel rajan of nadodigal rite?
payya padathula karthi daddy
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From: vithagan on 3rd March 2011 02:05 AM [Full View]
Not Paiya.. but NMA Originally Posted by SoftSword
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From: kid-glove on 3rd March 2011 02:12 AM [Full View]
Interesting post Jai. Another lovely installment on Nandhalala.. Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: arthi2780 on 3rd March 2011 02:19 AM [Full View]
Jayaprakash is an Indian film actor and producer. He ventured into film business in the early 2000s as a producer, making several films under his banner GJ Cinema and later turned actor, with Cheran's 2007 film, Mayakannadi. Subsequently performing a variety of supporting roles, he found more success as a character actor, with the most notable performances featuring in Pasanga, Naadodigal and Naan Mahaan Alla.
As a producer : Thavasi (2001), April Maadhathil (2002), Julie Ganapathi (2003), Neranja Manasu (2004), Chellamae (2004), Varnajaalam (2004)
As an actor : Mayakannadi (2007), Pasanga (2009), Naadodigal (2009), Theeradha Vilaiyattu Pillai (2010), Thillalangadi (2010), Naan Mahaan Alla (2010), Bale Pandiya (2010), Aadukalam (2011), Yuddham Sei (2011)
Forthcomming : Vanam, Pesu, Rowthiram, Muran, Eththan
Awards : Winner - Filmfare & Vijay Awards for Best Supporting Actor Award (Tamil) for his performence in Pasanga
Not mentioned in Wiki : He is (one of) my favorite character artist.
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From: SoftSword on 3rd March 2011 02:26 AM [Full View]
oh ya, vithagan
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From: Roshan on 3rd March 2011 11:46 AM [Full View]
Thanks for all those info about Jeyaprakash. Out of that list I have only seen NMA and liked his performance.
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From: ajaybaskar on 3rd March 2011 11:50 AM [Full View]
More on Jayaprakash..
His sons have acted in 'Eesan'
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 3rd March 2011 01:23 PM [Full View]
Equa,
Nandri, full-a padichittu reply panren (adhavadhu kelvi kekkaren!)
Kid,
Regarding Apocalypto: Wasn't the ending just the opposite? Prachanai thodarum nu sonnadhaa thaan naan nenachen
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From: kid-glove on 3rd March 2011 02:17 PM [Full View]
Well that would be possible in any other film, but not from Gibson's! And especially how the final moments contains the most (& only) 'peaceful' shots, almost as to formally signify the arrival of 'savior'. And the Mayans are already said to be rank-bad barbarians (with enough stereotypes and silly savagery) that this arrival could be treated/seen only in positive light. Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
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From: jaiganes on 3rd March 2011 06:06 PM [Full View]
the ending of apocalypto signifies that the arrival of the spanish contingent is "further trouble" So the tribe moves further interiors to avoid another round of torment.. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: Roshan on 3rd March 2011 06:41 PM [Full View]
I go with Thilak. I felt exactly the same and that's why I was quite disturbed and disappointed with the ending. Specially the two remaining barbaric Mayans walking towards the spanish ships as if they have seen some "Dhaiveega OLi" was quite annoying. Movie was excellent except for the ending. And Gibson's passion towards his faith and his aversion towards Jews further validate the motive, I believe. Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: ajaybaskar on 3rd March 2011 06:43 PM [Full View]
'The worst is yet to come'ngradhudhaane Mel Gibson solla vandhadhu?
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From: Roshan on 3rd March 2011 06:47 PM [Full View]
enakku appadi thOnala. Thilak has explained the reason well. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: P_R on 3rd March 2011 06:49 PM [Full View]
இப்படியெல்லாம் ஆகும்னு தெரிஞ்சுதான் படத்தையே பார்க்கலை
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From: Roshan on 3rd March 2011 06:54 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
But kandippaa paarunga - Very well made
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From: irir123 on 3rd March 2011 07:25 PM [Full View]
Jai, it could not be further away from what Gibson intended to imply ! Originally Posted by jaiganes
being the rabid anti-semitic, fundamentalist that he is, Gibson indeed portrayed the Spanish as the 'saviors' who brought 'civilization' into the folds of the mayans for whom barbarism was the way of life until then - no two ways about what Gibson's intentions were/are !
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From: directhit on 3rd March 2011 07:34 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by P_R
No news is is good news மாதிரி... நம்ம மக்கள் underplay ன்னுட்டாங்க தகிரியமா பாருங்க.
Bala - Meni Unnan
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From: kid-glove on 3rd March 2011 08:19 PM [Full View]
Adhe! Adhe! Originally Posted by irir123
Originally Posted by k/g
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From: jaiganes on 3rd March 2011 08:53 PM [Full View]
Wikipedia synopsis says... Originally Posted by irir123
Though Mel Gibson's rants and his views are fairly well known, the final frame of the film is a clear indicator that the "so called" uncivilised tribes are safer far away from anyone who calls themselves "civilised". Mel, the fanatic he might be, knows that he cannot still justify how Mayans were won by Spanish - not by any superior military strength or valour, but by despicable display of "biological warfare", first of its kind in documented history..He is chased by two remaining raiders out to a beach where they encounter Spanish ships anchored off the coast, with soldiers making their way ashore. The amazement of the raiders allows Jaguar Paw to flee. He returns into the forest to pull his wife and son out of the flooded pit where they are hiding, and where Seven has just given birth to a healthy second child. They look out from the forest towards the Spanish galleons, Seven wonders if they should go to the strangers, Jaguar Paw tells his family to return with him to the forest. They head into the jungle in search of a new beginning.
Wiki further says...
I would give Gibson benefit of doubt... For this film..The thematic meaning of the arrival of the Europeans is a subject of disagreement. Traci Ardren wrote that the Spanish arrivals were Christian missionaries and that the film had a "blatantly colonial message that the Mayas needed saving because they were "rotten at the core". According to Ardren, the Gibson film "replays, in glorious big-budget technicolor, an offensive and racist notion that Maya people were brutal to one another long before the arrival of Europeans and thus they deserved, in fact they needed, rescue. This same idea was used for 500 years to justify the subjugation of Maya people".[47] On the other hand, David van Biema questions whether the Spaniards are portrayed as saviors of the Mayas, since they are depicted ominously and Jaguar Paw decides to return to the woods.[55] This view is supported by the reference of the Oracle Girl to those who would "Scratch out the earth. Scratch you out. And end your world."[56] However, recalling the opening quote to the film ("A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within"), professors David Stuart and Stephen Houston have written the implication is that the Maya are so evil that they were "a civilization...that deserves to die."
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From: kid-glove on 3rd March 2011 09:13 PM [Full View]
I won't. I repeat what I said earlier, the connotation might be that Mayans are inclined to be 'wild beasts' in the woods, than look forward to imperial benefits, reform, cleansing, & mch evolved civilization.
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From: jaiganes on 3rd March 2011 09:40 PM [Full View]
குருஜி... Originally Posted by kid-glove
மொத்தம் 3 பார்ட்டி.
பார்ட்டி 1 மாயர்கள்.
பார்ட்டி 2 காடுகளில் வசிக்கும் பழங்குடிகள்.
பார்ட்டி 3 இஸ்பெயினில் இருந்து வந்த கடலாடிகள்.
பிரசினை பார்ட்டி 1 மற்றும் பார்ட்டி 2 - இருவருக்கும் இடையே.
இதில் படத்தின் கதையாசிரியர் சொல்ல முற்படுவது, ஆதிக்க சக்திகள்
மனிதாபிமானத்தை இழந்து பார்ட்டி #2 போன்றவர்களை வதைப்பார்கள் - காலந்தோறும்.
இவர்கள் நியாயத்தை மறந்து நிலை வீழும் போது, அந்நிய சக்திகளுக்கு வாய்ப்பு ஏற்படும் என்பது
கதை நீதி.
காட்டு மிருகங்களோடு இருப்பவர்கள் மாயர்கள் அல்ல - பழங்குடிகள்.
இதையே இந்தியாவின் பின்புலத்தில் வைத்து கதை பின்னினால்
இன்று கீற்று , வல்லினம் போன்ற இணையப்பத்திரிகைகளில் வருவது போல,
பார்ட்டி # 1 - இந்து மதத்தின் ஆதிக்க சாதிகள்.
பார்ட்டி # 2- இந்து மதத்தின் பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டோர்(ஒடுக்கப்பட்டவர்கள்)
பார்ட்டி # 3 - இந்தியாவிற்கு வந்த ஆங்கிலேயர்கள்
இப்படி மாற்றி கதை பின்னிக்கொள்ளலாம். இவ்வாறு செய்தாலும்
கிடைக்கப்போகிற கதை நீதி ஒன்றே.
<சங்கிலி முருகன் பஞ்சாயத்தில் பேசுவது போல்>
நான் சரியாத்தானே பேசறேன்?
</சங்கிலி முருகன் பஞ்சாயத்தில் பேசுவது போல்>
பி.கு - மோசில்லா ப்ரவுசரில் தமிழ் விசை ப்ளக் இன் பொளந்து கட்டுதுபா!!
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From: kid-glove on 3rd March 2011 10:56 PM [Full View]
Oh, sorry about the mix-up between Mayans and Aztecs (but then the film gets a lot of mix-up in its historical accuracy and representation, so I'm hopefully excused), but basically showing whites killing Brownies * (how about couple of dead corpse down the beach in the deep-focus long shot of Paw's family looking over the ships in backdrop) would actually support that theory. But no, the prominent 'pacifistic-looking' cross (the only religious symbol that isn't associated with blood here..contrast to the pagan symbols & harmful practices of Mayans/Aztecs that's mired with sacrifice of blood or pure torture) in hands of the Spanish dominate the boats and NOT their weapons. Their empathetic/impassive faces seemed to be of missionaries than mercenaries. And you should know that it's historically inaccurate. This "chronology mix-up" serves its dramatic purpose and the final Imperial invasion is essentially a 'welcome revelation' (seriously nothing else would help, even Paw would be dead if not for their arrival).
*-Oh so long as mainstream American audiences are happy about brownies killing each other.
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From: jaiganes on 3rd March 2011 11:06 PM [Full View]
of course, what is a work of fiction if it does not try to be inventive with the "fact"?
From my reading, Mel is many things. one thing he is not is a "white supremacist".
I think we ought to only focus on what Jaguar Paw decides to do. He does not go out to embrace the baby faced (!!) Cross bearers. All he
understands is that his world is not going to be peaceful anymore and the jungle - a place far away from "civilization(brown or white - is it any different?)" is the only safe place anymore.
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From: kid-glove on 3rd March 2011 11:17 PM [Full View]
But Paw's family looks over with curiosity and caution, and not necessarily fear, & anguish. This is crucial to how you receive that scene.
And Mel, maybe not 'white supremacist', but more of a 'Christian supremacist'. Very clearly.
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From: kid-glove on 3rd March 2011 11:20 PM [Full View]
Historical inaccuracy is okay, so long as it's not perversely slanted.
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From: Roshan on 3rd March 2011 11:40 PM [Full View]
Nicely witten once again. Regarding the last line - that's my main grouse. All his efforts in fighting his enemies gets wiped off in the last scene, which gives us an impression that not only Paw even his family survives ONLY because of the Spanish (while chasing Paw the Mayans happen to see Paw's family hiding in the cave) The cruel and animal-like faces of Mayans change innocent the moment they see the boats and as I said earlier they walk towards the Spanish with an expression that some revelation had just happened. Gibson's message is clear and straight. idhula doubt varrathukku vaippE illa. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: m_karthik on 4th March 2011 01:38 AM [Full View]
Exactly.. In History, India ku British eppadiyo..adhey madhiri thaan Latin America ku Spanish.. But in the scene, it's like they are the saviours of the tribals.. It's like the Dinosaur saving the protagonists in Jurassic Park.. Originally Posted by jaiganes
Orey difference.. India la niraya Anglo Indians illa... Latin America la niraya Mestizos irukkaanga..
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From: kid-glove on 4th March 2011 02:35 PM [Full View]
Exactly Roshan. And the shot of family disappearing into the woods is tension-free. Paw & wife speak in cautionary tone (but also with curious 'yonder'), he then plays around with his son (who giggles), we finally got a happy family. Let's thank the Spanish!
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From: geno on 4th March 2011 05:59 PM [Full View]
I Strongly agree with Jaiganes! Originally Posted by jaiganes
kid-glove completely misses the point. of course, someone who doesn't find Anniyan a fascist film - would find mel as a White Supremacist (and also find taxi driver as a film with likeable fascist tendencies) is absolutely laughable!
There was a documentary in Discovery or Fox history about this - they described how in REALITY, a tribal woman helped Hernan cortes lead the Spanish Expedition against the Mayans. I dont remember the details, but definitely i remember seeing the history of Aztecs and Mayans dissected by the historians and the native people, and i dont think Mel Gibson was found guilty of "canvassing" that Spanish "civilised" latin america or such things.
Further, Mel's earlier films cannot be seen through anti-semitc filters. Brave Heart is probably the best film depicting common people's / ethnic people's Rebellion against an anarchic Empire. POtC should be seen primarily as a anti-establishment film rather than a religious film.
If Mel can be accused of anti-semitism then Yasser arafat and palaestinians should be accused of it too..
The terrible joke is the "intellectual masturbation" of people who are Status Quoists in reality articulate what could be defined as Fascism and what could be defined as rebellion.
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From: Roshan on 4th March 2011 06:01 PM [Full View]
Yeah and the Mayans move from that place with some doubt on their mind (like intha matter'a appuRam paathukkalaam, mudhalla avana oru vazhi paNNuvOm) Originally Posted by kid-glove
Paw & wife speak in cautionary tone (but also with curious 'yonder'), he then plays around with his son (who giggles), we finally got a happy family. Let's thank the Spanish!
Thread title'a "Gibson's Apocalypto"nu maatha vEndiya aLavukku digress paNNiyaachu
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From: geno on 4th March 2011 06:09 PM [Full View]
jai, Originally Posted by jaiganes
I understand what you are trying to say.
Perhaps, Apocalypto clearly shines light on the 'elitist" people's notions about civilization. Kill, maim, play with the ethnic identity of a inam and get away with it thru proclamations about sovereignity. It continues still..
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From: kid-glove on 4th March 2011 10:47 PM [Full View]
"who doesn't find Anniyan a fascist film"
"likeable fascist tendencies"
This is what I said:
"finds Mel White Supremacist" Originally Posted by kid-glove
"Further, Mel's earlier films cannot be seen through anti-semitc filters. Brave Heart is probably the best film depicting common people's / ethnic people's Rebellion against an anarchic Empire. POtC should be seen primarily as a anti-establishment film rather than a religious film. "And Mel, maybe not 'white supremacist', but more of a 'Christian supremacist'. Very clearly.
"If Mel can be accused of anti-semitism then Yasser arafat and palaestinians should be accused of it too"
http://www.slate.com/id/2096025/
http://www.slate.com/id/2146880/
" i dont think Mel Gibson was found guilty of "canvassing" that Spanish "civilised" latin america or such things."
But the suggestions were, clearly, just that! Hey folks, look at these brownies leading a miserable, brutal, weird, & carnal life. How could the Christian intervention be possibly worse than this eh?!
P.S: You know Geno. You are too fast to make assumptions. It's almost like you come fishing for something tangible to throw around favorite catchphrases "Fascism", "Status Quoists", "Anti-establishment" & be guilty of your own accusation("Intellectual masturbation"). How about a bit more relevance & rigor next time?
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From: kid-glove on 4th March 2011 11:15 PM [Full View]
Saw "Yudham Sei". While a gripping watch, it turns uneven towards the end. Just when you think it's ambivalent about vigilante endorsement, the title, formal moves (extremely up-close closeups reserved for sermons/punishments) & ending (how the non-uniformed sincere policemen are treated) doesn't quite help. It has many such compromises & mistakes to merit serious artistic consideration. It's also anti-police/state force to the T. Might interest our good friend Geno (I actually say that with a lot of respect)
Interesting how the audience were fully involved towards the end (Seasons, 6.45 show with vast majority of old & middle-age couples). The lone gentlemen, who indulged in blatant cat-calls earlier, seemed to wobble, & some pushed into self-protective laughter mode. Such defensive attitudes tend to validate some of the surreptitious moves of the filmmaker, who has no high ground to resort/implicate the audience into such complex states. One almost wants to walk out at these points. At least, I did.
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From: kid-glove on 4th March 2011 11:32 PM [Full View]
And at P-C-ness of Mysskin. Be it sectarian (Christian, Muslim, Hindu) or class (from Auto-walas, retired officers, to studs)
Shrewd guy..
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From: kid-glove on 5th March 2011 12:00 AM [Full View]
Can't be proven in words but fully disagreed. It WAS erotic (in fact, more so than the song-dance sequence. Where again we're subjected to skin show of yellow saree clad woman, with horizontal gaze as the perverts). For a de-eroticized, painful representation, one of the films mentioned in reviews, "Irreversible", is a good example. It's also quite distant. That's how you do it. Originally Posted by Equa
I agree on being subjected to Mother's wrath. Her punishments were like fatal blow to the cerebrum (literally too eh!)
But Mysskin's insincerely subjecting us to whole lot of things. Subjecting us to over-head, up-close juxtaposition of erotic peep show (The camera's gaze is all too sneaky & surreptitious, and in turn, us the audience too), & then also be punished/sermoned. Gimme a break!
BGM by K, very well done! GVP must take lessons.
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From: kid-glove on 5th March 2011 12:12 AM [Full View]
Edit - Equa doesn't mean 'de-eroticize' in proper sense.
I found the peep-show terribly unethical, as in it ended up being eroticized (in fact, more so than the song-dance sequence. Where again we're subjected to skin show of yellow saree clad woman, with horizontal gaze as the perverts. Or the tennis match between the pair of good-looking girls watched over by the old perverts.). For a de-eroticized, painful representation of being victimized (& with sufficient distance), one of the films mentioned in reviews, "Irreversible", is a good example. That's how you do it.
I agree on being subjected to Mother's wrath. Her punishments were like fatal blow to the cerebrum (literally too eh!)
But Mysskin's insincerely subjecting us to whole lot of things. Subjecting us to over-head, up-close juxtaposition of erotic peep show (The camera's gaze is all too sneaky, and in turn, us the audience too), & then also be punished/sermoned. Gimme a break!
BGM by K, very well done! GVP must take lessons.
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 5th March 2011 03:40 AM [Full View]
Thilak
Why are the maker's motives surreptitious? Didn't get it at all (subjecting us to peep show bit especially)
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From: Bala (Karthik) on 5th March 2011 03:42 AM [Full View]
Purila. Expln please Originally Posted by kid-glove
And at P-C-ness of Mysskin. Be it sectarian (Christian, Muslim, Hindu) or class (from Auto-walas, retired officers, to studs)
Shrewd guy..
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From: kid-glove on 5th March 2011 03:57 AM [Full View]
As Jayaprakash's narrating it, out of many ways the victimization could be brought out, Mysskin fluffs it so badly. Which is to show this scene in ways that could only be possibly received by perverts themselves. This can't be proven by words, but when you watch the scene unfold, the audience are made to partake the guilt of women's violation. In fact, it's all too neatly realized with proper aesthetic sense. It's almost like Mysskin himself is being proud of the uniform bed of grapes or rose petals in the jacuzzi with the woman's body placed in center & men symmetrical enjoying it! And almost as if to contrast this guilt-ridden experience(that we didn't ask for), the mother character stabs at us (or the camera.) Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Equa's also making a similar point, which I realized quite late.
Political correctness of Mysskin in showing all kinds of men (old or young, from all religion, etc) to be involved in peep-show racket. Illaina, andha particular groups poi tea kudippAnga..
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From: P_R on 5th March 2011 11:08 AM [Full View]
Nice posts k_g.
Konjam pugaimootam cleer aanaa feeling. However, I can't agree or disagree here. I'm still at 'oh idhula ivvaLO vishayam irukkaa'
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From: KV on 5th March 2011 07:37 PM [Full View]
It was great to read so many lovely write-ups and discussions on this movie.
Paid a second visit yesterday (1st time was at a shoddy single screen cinema; this time PVR). The way Mysskin lets the story unfold is superb and makes an engaging watch (till the point when the doctor family is shown morphing into zombies). The flowing cinematography and gripping soundtrack helps the narrative in a big way.
Intentional or incidental, the later parts of the film works effectively and efficiently in tapping and milking the latent angst of docile family folks, especially womankind. Claps and whistles from this segment of the audience, as reported in many posts here, were witnessed here as well. Like Colonel Kurtz said ‘horror… the horror’.
But one thing that’s quite clear is Mysskin’s adeptness in the art of storytelling and filmmaking (‘fluid’ camera work, engrossing soundtrack et al) . His vision is quite unique (not necessarily original) and easily stands out when compared to his peers. CP was terrible. Anjadhey is my favorite so far. Despite some ordinary performances, the film sparkles with mint-fresh ideas of filming a story. Nandhala, was a warm film but tedium set in after a couple of episodes. (And I found it really difficult to get around Myshkin’s on-screen presence, a kuruvi show for over 2 hours? No thanks!). YS re-affirms his potential and conviction. On the flipside, his seemingly assertive stand on leaving his ‘stamp’ on his work, could end in his films suffering from ‘indigenous clichés’, the kind that pioneers like KB and BR were bogged down by, after a point in their career. Gotta wait and watch what Myshkin has to offer next.
On a side note, the hindi song ‘Kabhi Jindh’ is to me, the song of the year, so far. Terrific work on the strings section (the violins in the background in the 3rd and 4th line of the pallavi, wow!) and good job on the vocals too. While including only one song in the film worked for the thriller setting very well, it would be interesting to know what situation this song was conceived for.
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From: Scale on 5th March 2011 11:27 PM [Full View]
Its amazing with just 4 films Mysskin has satisfied all kinds of viewers all being different CP is still my fav. May be I am bit biased towards the debutant's work and it has got one of the amazing BG score by Sundar C Babu. Have to watch that again.
May I suggest a poll to pick his fav movie that would be really interesting.
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From: Anban on 6th March 2011 01:04 AM [Full View]
kabhi jind and aaraayro aariro.. sema songs.. Originally Posted by KV
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From: Anban on 6th March 2011 01:05 AM [Full View]
just showing diverse characters doesnt hamper the quality of the movie in anyway.. politically correctness/incorrectness is irrelevant.. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: kid-glove on 6th March 2011 01:15 AM [Full View]
OF course, it doesn't hamper the quality of the movie. But I couldn't help but , amused how our filmmakers have to be guarded. That they're sometimes forced to indulge in tokenism.
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From: MADDY on 6th March 2011 09:58 AM [Full View]
a SAC type vigilante/revenge movie with a atypical narration........what sets this movie apart from SAC movies is the fact that it takes pains to give incredible amount of details in the narration........it also avoids the "banal" cliches of SAC movies and makes the "cliche" moments so refreshingly different.......the overbridge scene which was straight out of many 80's tamil movies and hardy boys+three investigators stories where the investigating cop/detective will be threatened by the henchmen of the "accused" but the settings and lead up to the scene were so fine tuned.......the villains in YS were not the mad-mad ruffians who did crime as hobby as in SAC movies - there was a thin layer of economic/socio-political reasons painted to their activities.......it was strictly a revenge story with minimal social commentary - movie doesent fall into the trappings of morality and social commentaries like SAC movies but keeps it simple as cribbings of a victimised middle-class person in Jayaprakash......the villain is not a full blown baddie but has contradictions like a caring family and soft corner for hero's sister's life.........
the narration was very slow and a bit tedious to watch though saved largely by a grand string section of K and the camerawork......stunts were bordering on lines of unintentional fun including the climax stunts which looked a distant poor cousin of kill bill stunt sequences.........movie though is told intelligently in mysskin's style is nothing but , at heart, a vigilante revenge movie that has been seen so many times......lack of details to characters, absence of any valid real world references and a narration devoid of sparkling subtexts makes it a pretty much one dimnesional movie which makes a great commercial cinema but a elementary meannigful cinema.......the movies' final 30 mins trying to play purely to gallery and stir the ever vulnerable middle-class sensibilites makes it even more difficult to accept it as a "great" work.......the expectation around Mysskin after a brilliant Anjaadhey to move into next level stands shattered here as YS is not much different from Anjaadhey in terms of sensibility and depth in narration/characterisation......
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From: Mahen on 6th March 2011 10:04 AM [Full View]
//Maddy, Aadukalam pathacha?//
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From: raghavendran on 6th March 2011 10:45 AM [Full View]
ivvololam enakku yosikka theriyadhu..naanga "C" centre audience Originally Posted by MADDY
if u realise, roosters stopped fighting like men and men started fighting like roosters in second half - enna oru subtext-nnu nammale intellectualise pannikka vendiyadhu dhaan. .........honestly, there were couple of very striking subtexts in aadukalam which was completely missing in YS
the parrallel narration of both serial killings and the convergence of both at the end was great in YS..IMO....though i agree if you take a overall view it is only a revenge story,dramatised a bit.. Myshkin allowed the protogonist J.K, the person who discovers the main story(abt the purushotman family) to be just an observer
and the mere observer cheran, cop to be the protaganist ...that was brilliant i thought
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From: MADDY on 6th March 2011 11:23 AM [Full View]
yeah, right.......its probably reflection of Myskin's real life character of being a great observer of things Originally Posted by raghavendran
Myshkin allowed the protogonist J.K, the person who discovers the main story(abt the purushotman family) to be just an observer
and the mere observer cheran, cop to be the protaganist ...that was brilliant i thought
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From: raghavendran on 6th March 2011 11:32 AM [Full View]
btb please catch Nandalaala...
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From: kid-glove on 6th March 2011 02:30 PM [Full View]
True, but almost all detective/police procedurals are like that. Ain't it? Maybe not in Tamil cinema. But even in YS, you have the sister-angle. That said, yes, it's relatively on the fringes. Originally Posted by raghavendran
Myshkin allowed the protogonist J.K, the person who discovers the main story(abt the purushotman family) to be just an observer
and the mere observer cheran, cop to be the protaganist ...that was brilliant i thought
Btw anyone else interested by Cheran's nail-cutter contrast to family's blood-churning array of silverware (& YG's bald-head going over heavy artillery!) Thankfully he requests for a gun. Illaina AO madhiri aayirukkum!
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From: Anban on 6th March 2011 06:19 PM [Full View]
observer = JK
the one who observes the observer = Judas
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From: raghavendran on 7th March 2011 09:27 AM [Full View]
btw another interesting point in YS is that JK wil be shown as a normal human rather than a kadamai,ganiyam,kattupadu cop..he wants his sister..his selfish nature will be shown right from the beginning,he will crumble in situations..another rule that the hero should not be selfish has been broken by myshkin..
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From: geno on 8th March 2011 05:43 PM [Full View]
Well your snobbish post confirms that you are just that! Originally Posted by kid-glove
Here's another link, which too does not find Apocalypto in too much of a good light. But there are things that throw more light on the understanding of the film a lot better.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/de...apoc-d14.shtml
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Gibson’s film begins with a citation from historian Will Durant in a title: “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.”
It seems clear that Gibson has the present situation in mind. The film’s production notes cite his comment that “one of the things that just kept coming up as we were writing is that many of the things that happened right before the fall of the Mayan civilization are occurring in our society now. It was important for me to make that parallel because you see these cycles repeating themselves over and over again. People think that modern man is so enlightened, but we’re susceptible to the same forces—and we are also capable of the same heroism and transcendence.”
And this from screenwriter Farhad Safinia: “We discovered that what archeologists and anthropologists believe is that the daunting problems faced by the Maya are extraordinarily similar to those faced today by our own civilization, especially when it comes to widespread environmental degradation, excessive consumption and political corruption.”
These vague, ahistorical ruminations are not at all the same thing as a critique of or a protest against contemporary society—although it would probably be a mistake to pigeon-hole Gibson too quickly. He has not won friends on the political right by his recent comments critical of George W. Bush and the war in Iraq.
At a screening in Austin, Texas, in September he drew parallels between the dysfunctional Mayan civilization and the current political situation in the US. “The precursors to a civilization that’s going under are the same, time and time again,” he observed. “What’s human sacrifice if not sending guys off to Iraq for no reason?”
About his own political orientation, Gibson says, “I’ve always been very independent about the way I see things. Everyone always presumes I’m a Republican. I’m not. I couldn’t vote for either one of those guys in the last election. I looked at the pair of them and was like, ‘What do you want to do—get punched or get kicked?’ It was a terrible choice to have to make. So I found somebody else on the ballot who was an independent who I liked the sound of. I can’t even remember his name.” It would be interesting to know whether this forgotten individual was a left-wing or, more likely, an extreme right-wing candidate.
If Gibson feels that Western civilization or American society is on its last legs, how does he account for this circumstance? Presumably ‘apocalyptic’ religious conceptions (premonitions of ‘the end of days’) combine in the filmmaker’s thinking with the unscientific notion that every society’s development proceeds through some universal and pre-determined cycle of birth, life and death. ......
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Understanding a film requires that one is able to see it without elitist prejudice!
haha! Well i wonder why you didn't even try and slander "Brave Heart!" Couldn't get a "Link" to prove Mel's christian motives to portray William Wallace?P.S: You know Geno. You are too fast to make assumptions. It's almost like you come fishing for something tangible to throw around favorite catchphrases "Fascism", "Status Quoists", "Anti-establishment" & be guilty of your own accusation("Intellectual masturbation"). How about a bit more relevance & rigor next time?
Mel's a lot of Grey; cant paint him in Black or White.
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From: geno on 8th March 2011 06:24 PM [Full View]
More "Links" to show the other-perspective of Apocalypto:
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/...pocalypto.html
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The final scene is, I think, what rankles all the PC advocates the most: the Spanish are coming! The Spanish are coming! --ah, to save the Maya from themselves.
The plague seen in the movie suggests that they have already brought smallpox. That's hardly salvation. In fact, smallpox reached Yucatan from Central Mexico before the white man arrived in Yucatan .
I see that final scene as a deliberate and wrenching twist of irony, recalling the lyrics of The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again:I'll tip my hat to the new constitutionTake a bow for the new revolutionSmile and grin at the change all aroundPick up my guitar and playJust like yesterdayThen I'll get on my knees and prayWe don't get fooled againI'll move myself and my family asideIf we happen to be left half aliveI'll get all my papers and smile at the skyFor I know that the hypnotized never lie".
Another "Link!":
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...apocalypto.htm
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From: kid-glove on 11th March 2011 12:22 PM [Full View]
I'll leave it to your choice of words.
And who is the bigger snob could be found in the judgmental tone, and one-noted posts.
And who is the bigger Elitist prejudice? One who finds furtive moves in films, or one who feels safe to pigeon-hole the dissension to one's pet-phrases (it's your prejudice that's appalling!)?
Mel's own conjured-up intepretation wouldn't wash. If this is to be translated to Bush's own administration, you'd have Suni-Shia conflict with overtones of torture/sacrifices & overwhelming unrest/anarchy with the oppressed pov, and finally you end with the lasting image of Uncle Sam interruption coincident with the oppressed guy & his family wounding up safe. In fact, that's the overwhelming propaganda of Mel's film.
This is much more closer:
Re.Brave Heart. It wasn't co-written/collaborative with Mel. Oh dear.Also imagine if this film was written and
directed by one of Hollywood’s more well-known and controversial
Scientologists Tom Cruise, for example. Do you think that the mainstream
media would give Cruise’s movie such a free pass, calling it at best a thrillride and at worst a blatantly sadistic spectacle, and not make connections
between Cruise’s religious beliefs and the ending of his film? Just think of
how the Pope would respond to hearing that Cruise, in his search for
historical accuracy, used a cast of no-name Catholic actors who he had to
train to act like medieval Catholics to fit the movie, to knock the 21st
century right out of them?[23] Somehow, I doubt Catholics like Gibson
would view such a film as an inspiration to Catholic actors who aspire to
perform relevant roles in the film industry
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From: SoftSword on 11th March 2011 04:02 PM [Full View]
YS padam patthi edho news vandhirukku'nu vandhu pathen....
indha ulaga cinema pakkuravanga ellaam oru room'la adachu vechu 'sam antony', 'sargunam' videos paakka vekkanum...
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From: kid-glove on 11th March 2011 04:25 PM [Full View]
I'm third highest poster in this thread. Out of my 40 odd posts, 75% are about YS. Decent proportion I'd think.
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From: SoftSword on 11th March 2011 04:26 PM [Full View]
aama idhellaam epdi kandu pudikradhu... is there a facility in the new forum?
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From: kid-glove on 11th March 2011 04:28 PM [Full View]
It'd be interesting to see what our highest poster (Softsword with 55 posts) had written about. :P
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From: Cinemarasigan on 11th March 2011 04:29 PM [Full View]
This is the best thing I liked in this movie... there are lot of things described in a totally different way by the Director... Really a superb movie... Originally Posted by raghavendran
btw another interesting point in YS is that JK wil be shown as a normal human rather than a kadamai,ganiyam,kattupadu cop..he wants his sister..his selfish nature will be shown right from the beginning,he will crumble in situations..another rule that the hero should not be selfish has been broken by myshkin..
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From: SoftSword on 11th March 2011 04:35 PM [Full View]
oh idhellama irukko... Originally Posted by kid-glove
naama pudungunadhu ellaame thevai illaadha aani dhaan....
utrungappa... theriyama kaetttutuaen...
apocalypto vaazhga... aagileya aadhikkam vaazhga...!!
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From: Anban on 11th March 2011 04:39 PM [Full View]
ulaga cinema paakkurathu thappu illa.. athu paththi sambanthamey illaatha edathula ethukku discuss panraangannu therila.. sivapoojaila shakira paattu paaduvaanga pola.. Originally Posted by SoftSword
YS padam patthi edho news vandhirukku'nu vandhu pathen....
indha ulaga cinema pakkuravanga ellaam oru room'la adachu vechu 'sam antony', 'sargunam' videos paakka vekkanum...
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From: kid-glove on 11th March 2011 04:45 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Anban
Actually, it carried on from Roshan's generic post (which was related to audience reaction in context of YS, I think). Never thought it'd lead to this. OF course, it'd help if the mods take the digression elsewhere.
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From: Roshan on 11th March 2011 05:19 PM [Full View]
AdhE adhE - naan onnum vEnumnu Peter udurathukkaaga post paNNala Karthi Originally Posted by kid-glove
Actually, it carried on from Roshan's generic post (which was related to audience reaction in context of YS, I think).
I thought it will be moved to world cinema section but Mods avanga job'a ippOllaam ozhunga paNRathE illa.Never thought it'd lead to this. OF course, it'd help if the mods take the digression elsewhere.
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From: Plum on 13th March 2011 10:53 PM [Full View]
I am the fourth highest poster - indha padaththai paththi 4-5 linesku mEla discuss paNNinadhA gnAbagam illai
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From: Nerd on 14th March 2011 07:47 PM [Full View]
How are you guys finding that out? Third highest/fourth highest? The green arrow shows how many posts I have made and the last post date..
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From: hamid on 15th March 2011 11:39 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nerd
you can change the thread id and check the status for any thread.. Almost all Rajini thread's la niingathaan firstla irukkinga.. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: Nerd on 15th March 2011 07:05 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by hamid
you can change the thread id and check the status for any thread.. Almost all Rajini thread's la niingathaan firstla irukkinga.. It even links to the actual posts in that thread. Cool!
When is the Lotus DVD releasing for YS? Payanam/thoonga nagaram ellaam vandhuruchu..
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From: ajaybaskar on 15th March 2011 07:16 PM [Full View]
Nerd,
Payanam lotus vandhaacha?
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From: Nerd on 15th March 2011 07:18 PM [Full View]
Yeah just today. Have to d/l in the evening
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From: ajaybaskar on 15th March 2011 07:21 PM [Full View]
Gimme the link too..
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From: Nerd on 15th March 2011 07:28 PM [Full View]
Seck the PM.
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From: Mahen on 15th March 2011 07:37 PM [Full View]
i'll keep u updated on YS nerd..siruthai coming very soon
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From: varunlss12 on 22nd March 2011 04:16 AM [Full View]
yudhem sei Lotus la vandhurucha....
@ajay...
Payanam ayngaran DVD released
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From: Nerd on 28th March 2011 04:47 AM [Full View]
Loved the way the film unfolds in the first two hours. Middle finger to the audience, no respect for them. Mysskin shows what he wants to show without explaining anything at all. Warrants the complete attention of the audience. Lovely filmmaking. Particularly liked his framing this time, tediously repititive yes, but worked extremely well in this film. I was like sir neenga engayO pOitteenga in the first two hours.
But the last half hour almost spoiled everything for me. Mysskin trying to do a Shankar and clearly thats not his territory. Shankar could have done much better in the last 30 mins. The actors did not help either. And he did spell everything out like Shankar and the likes, forgetting how brilliantly he told the story in the first half. But can surely be forgiven since the first 2 hours is unlike anything I have seen in thamizh cinema. Quite surely, the best thamizh thriller ever. AnjadhE had some cringeworthy moments spread throughout the film but gave me a wholesome experience. This one on the contrary was like watching two films, but I still think this one trumps all his other films, easily. Btw, whats with the complaint about the pace? All we need is jump cuts and fast forwards? The film was so delightfully elaborate and moved at a breakneck speed.
Cheran was quite OK. I thought K's BGM was a little loud (or may be thats my DVD) but brilliant nevertheless. Thambi periya aalaa varanum.
Fav scenes:
1. Watermelon of course. The stolen one (by a policeman!) coming back as a head.
2. The bridge fight scene. Not just the fight per se but the whole sequence, including the kidnap. The last three *stabs* in that fight. Brilliant.
3. All those clippings of the various *shows*. Stunning images, seriously.
4. Carrom board on head
5. Cheran's *selfishness*. This character was written much better than his protaganists in Anjathe.
6. Pretty much every scene in the first two hours.
And who said YGM is unfunny? I was ROTFLing when he earnestly says this to his manaivi, "Nee dhaanE koLuthikkalaamnu sonnE" with a kerosene can in his hand
There is much to observe in a second viewing. Could have been the film of the year. Slightly behind AadukaLam, IMO
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From: Plum on 28th March 2011 10:09 AM [Full View]
Haven't seen aadukalam. I could say film of the year but that would be rich considering it's the only movie I have seen this year so far. Aadukalam and Nandhalala CD lying in the cupboard
Nerd, +1 for all your observations. Except when ne moves into Shankar territory, it's a brilliant movie.
And K was intent on annotating every minute of the movie - which is basically a first timer mistake, which can be excused
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From: Nerd on 28th March 2011 09:09 PM [Full View]
SPOILERS
Question: YGeeM or the wifey stuffs a dead body inside a barrel. Cheran towards the end of the film opens the barrel and flinches away in disgust. Whose body is that?
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From: ajaybaskar on 28th March 2011 09:30 PM [Full View]
Thanks Varun.. Originally Posted by varunlss12
YS is out in Sruthi i guess..
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From: cinema on 29th March 2011 12:25 AM [Full View]
Except few flaws it is great story telling. Scenes unfold really well and Mysskin gives lot of hope for Tamil Cinema.
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From: 19thmay on 11th April 2011 12:27 PM [Full View]
Ok movie, not that impressed.
Anjathey flash neraya edathula therinjadhu [ BGM, Bridge Fight = Hospital Stunt, Camera angles, Kidnapping,Rapes, Police & Station sequences, Gun fights ]. Climax was boring.
First hour was tremendous! Cheran, Judas character
Initially Cheran had two assistants, what happened to that innocent young man? Not much scope unlike that girl.
IMO the way the twist got unfolded was not that great or did I miss anything?
More importantly the spoiler was the poster which was pasted near my home. "Oru thaayin sabadham" with that victim's mummy photo [Head Shaved]
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From: ajithfederer on 28th April 2011 03:23 PM [Full View]
Just finished watching the film. I liked it. I have to read some posts back here. Anyways Myskin well done mate. Another good film.
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From: ajithfederer on 28th April 2011 03:28 PM [Full View]
BGM Engayo ketta madhiri irundhuchu. Or I may be wrong but I had a distinct feel that i have heard this somewhere.
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From: groucho070 on 18th June 2011 01:10 PM [Full View]
Halfway watching this film, I was disgusted.
With myself, for not having watched it on Big Screen. What a movie! Fantastic script, and I liked Cheran finally. YGM a revelation (yes, Nerd the kerosene scene). Mysskin, you are next to Bala for me. Great experience. I even liked the song sequence, a breather after many intense scene, plus it allowed me to raid my fridge for a beer and titbits. Lovely movie.
Remind me of the time Rahman came, my brother was praising him when Roja came out. I snickered, brushing him aside, but when Thiruda Thiruda came, I was dumbstruck. Anjathey perusa nenekela, but after Nandhalala and this!!!
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From: groucho070 on 18th June 2011 03:11 PM [Full View]
Me too. Can't place it. There are scenes of soft score (olungga padingga, not softcore), with the scenes sound muted, which is inspired by The Dark Knight, which was inspired by Heat. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
And Mysskin hates close-up doesn't he? Or is it because the actors are not cut-out for it.
And what with the too-many shots of legs man? I hope this leg-fetish will not resurface in the next film.
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From: SoftSword on 18th June 2011 08:49 PM [Full View]
nadakradha dhaan kaatrenu solraar. Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Scale on 18th June 2011 10:40 PM [Full View]
I recently revisited CP that too have few leg shots so athu avarala mudiyathu.
The craziest shot is from this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVea4...eature=related
@0.24 
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From: Mahen on 19th June 2011 11:44 AM [Full View]
Same here..i watched on big screen but antha time pudikile but now im really impressed with the film (decided to ignore the weird acting and sequences)..definitely one of the best films of 2011.. Originally Posted by groucho070;699362[B
]Halfway watching this film, I was disgusted.[/B]
With myself, for not having watched it on Big Screen. What a movie! Fantastic script, and I liked Cheran finally. YGM a revelation (yes, Nerd the kerosene scene). Mysskin, you are next to Bala for me. Great experience. I even liked the song sequence, a breather after many intense scene, plus it allowed me to raid my fridge for a beer and titbits. Lovely movie.
Remind me of the time Rahman came, my brother was praising him when Roja came out. I snickered, brushing him aside, but when Thiruda Thiruda came, I was dumbstruck. Anjathey perusa nenekela, but after Nandhalala and this!!!
grouch, adukalam pakaliya?
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From: groucho070 on 20th June 2011 08:37 AM [Full View]
Miss panniten, Mahen. Both on big and small (Tanggathirai) screen. I will do the honour of kicking myself Annan style.
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From: Mahen on 20th June 2011 11:40 AM [Full View]
Adukalam was going on for a month, eppadi miss panninge
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From: groucho070 on 20th June 2011 12:04 PM [Full View]
Santharpam sulnila boss. When free, it won't be playing. Or I'd miss an hour or so, then I'd tell myself watch the next time. Then, miss it again. Ippadiyee oru maasam pochu.
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From: Plum on 20th June 2011 12:19 PM [Full View]
I have aadukalam DVD at home lying for months. Initial 30-45 minutes pArthadhOda sari.
Just realised that apart from initial portions of Aadukalam and Payanam on DVD, this is the only movie I have watched this year. I can confidently say that this is the movie of the year for me so far
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From: groucho070 on 20th June 2011 12:24 PM [Full View]
Possible +1, if not for the fact I've not seen the other films. But thriller genre-la oori pOnavan naan, and so I'd biasedly give this movie highest ranking of recent years.
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From: SoftSword on 20th June 2011 04:00 PM [Full View]
epdilaam pesuraangayya... Originally Posted by Plum
I have aadukalam DVD at home lying for months. Initial 30-45 minutes pArthadhOda sari.
Just realised that apart from initial portions of Aadukalam and Payanam on DVD, this is the only movie I have watched this year. I can confidently say that this is the movie of the year for me so far
naanum mandaya aattikittu kettutu irukken.
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From: Balaji.r on 20th June 2011 09:29 PM [Full View]
Watched this movie few weeks back. Movie of the year
Though the story reminds esan and alibaba(?) vishnuvardhan brother`s movie
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From: littlemaster1982 on 13th August 2011 02:43 AM [Full View]
Just watched the film. Except for the last 30 minutes, it was really intense. Never been so engrossed by a Tamil film. A testimony to Mysskin's skill, because I already knew the killer (no thanks to Sify). And, loved the BGM. K
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 01:25 PM [Full View]
[Wrote this in reply to kid-glove when we discussed the film last year, but never got around to posting it. Posting it now just for the heck of it... With minor changes to remove repetition of points and for coherence's sake.]
Originally Posted by kid-glove
k-g, Originally Posted by kid-glove
I'm afraid you're missing the point (Mysskin's) here, and even if that isn't the case, you're definitely being inconsistent in your criticisms. Firstly, I'm still not clear whether you found it erotic or not. You initially said it WAS erotic but you also added that that's exactly how the perverts would see it. Here too, you've said that "[this scene is shown] in ways that could only be possibly received by perverts themselves." I think your reaction here is very much what Mysskin wants. Mysskin is basically interested in depicting those old men's gaze, but make it look pathetic to us the audience. This is entirely in sync with what you're saying your basic reaction was. So the question is, is there no variation/difference in the treatment or is it the very same thing as you'd see of a girl lying unconscious for whatever reasons in a usual run-of-the-mill film (and it's only the audience that examines the situation and finds it ugly)? I saw an obvious difference that it was made to look ugly and roundly pathetic. And for that reason (I just revisited that particular scene to reassess the sense I got out of it), I still think "de-eroticized" is the right adjective here. For instance, the bed of grapes were not at all "uniform" as you suggest, the grapes are squashed in patches and appear as a pulpy mass, not how you'd see in a typical image that is there for the audience's consumption. Also Mysskin is careful to highlight that the women is lying as if she's half-dead (applying lipstick to an unconscious woman) in other moments which also makes them look pathetic.
Where we do overlap is in questioning whether the audience is implicated in the right manner and so on. But even here, my concern/criticism here is different. I'm not worried about or by implicating us and make us experience what we don't want*. My concern here is that Mysskin does not at all problematize or challenge the standard patriarchal imagination of rape, its consequences and so on, how it follows the usual 'tragic' arc (girl is raped, she commits suicide with no one to interrupt), not about how the rape itself is shown (it isn't shown for that long at all). To be honest, I think you're a little too bent on juxtaposing this segment of the film to Irreversible (a film I've not seen but I've read about it and the challenges it poses) without taking into account that Mysskin doesn't set out to do anything to the same effect as Irreversible. The treatment here is dark and gruesome but the subject is otherwise standard Tamil cinema. The whole thing (which involves not just the rape of this girl, but other women in various other exoticised violations) about the old men and the peep show runs for less than 2 minutes, and these images I referred to come not for more than a few seconds. Irreversible on the other hand has a 9-minute rape scene. (The filmmaker had better think hard about how to show that!) The point being Mysskin is really well within Tamil cinema boundaries here -- which allows only two things, don't show much of the rape at all (what most good films do, but many bad films do too) or show it in a way how the audience would like to consume the women's body. I'm convinced that Mysskin follows the first approach, and even when he does that, he takes care he doesn't fall for the second. Do you think otherwise? In which case, I'm puzzled by your criticism that he makes you partake the guilt! A hyper-aestheticized treatment would result in some sort of a porn. Porn aesthetics is precisely that which avoids (or as Zizek would say, censors the emotional quagmire that sex is) guilt.
* Btw, regarding "that we didn't ask for," surely you can't be serious. Art is not about getting what one asked for, is it? Again, my criticism on the film is that it doesn't trouble the usual 'tragic' arc at all.
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 01:48 PM [Full View]
There is titillation involved in these 'peep shows'. Is it done in a 'look pathetic to us' way, the camera placement and movements in particular are extremely gaudy like most exploitation films I have seen. In most of exploitations film, the women look half-concious too, the lipstick/nail polish being applied to them in erotic set-ups. I wonder what sort of variation/difference you'd draw. Avoiding titillation, the best example I could think of, is Irreversible, the camera static, distant and at a sufficient vantage point without movement.
As for showing women in songs, not honestly bothered about Mysskin's anxiety here. I treat the film and sequence in isolation and on its considerations.
Not to confuse 'we didn't ask for', but we are being subjected to partake in a problematic gaze and then have maternal figure slash at us, is as problematically vigilant, and cautionary as it gets. Not far cry from sermonizing that Jayaprakash delivers.
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From: Anban on 23rd June 2012 01:51 PM [Full View]
All polished language but useless discussions of India
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 01:53 PM [Full View]
"For instance, the bed of grapes were not at all "uniform" as you suggest, the grapes are squashed in patches and appear as a pulpy mass"
And what sort of justification you have for Rose petals
I could play this game all day. But you're missing my point here. The panning and placement of the gaze shouldn't be ignored freely. It was more hyper-aestheticized than ugly (extremely connotative!)
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 01:54 PM [Full View]
Yeah, I wondered what a IIM grad (about as padips and peter as it comes) would think of it. Originally Posted by Anban
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From: P_R on 23rd June 2012 05:43 PM [Full View]
Good discussions ....--after ages
opcorn:
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 05:48 PM [Full View]
Sure you could, the way you're going in circles here! Glamorized scene-ai pathetic-A kAttuRAr-nu dhAn mudhallayE solliyAchchE. appuRam enna thaniyA "rose ellAm vechchirukkArE?" 'nnu kEkkuRInga. vEdikkaiyA irukku. Originally Posted by kid-glove
"For instance, the bed of grapes were not at all "uniform" as you suggest, the grapes are squashed in patches and appear as a pulpy mass"
And what sort of justification you have for Rose petals
I could play this game all day.
I'm not missing your point at all. Nor did I miss or dismiss your point about static, distant camera giving a totally different sense of what's going on. I totally get it. All I'm saying is it's not particularly relevant to this discussion. My concern to repeat it ad nauseum is with respect to how the treatment/imagery here differs from how this would be usually handled in a Tamil film where the glamourized gaze is shown *as-is*. A good example would be the recent vazhakku eN 18/9, where the camera sees things exactly as how the boy sees (or would see) it. There IS a significant difference here, which I acknowledge -- even as I otherwise find Mysskin's guilt with respect to showing female body profoundly misplaced. You're just not engaging with this point, but instead going on and on about the horizontal gaze. andha horizontal gaze standard-A kAttuRa female body consumption image dhAn-nu nAn mudhallayE sollittEnE. It's made to look pathetic by way of what's in the image, the accompanying voice-over etc. That is my only point. If you disagree and think the eroticized for-consumption image is shown as-is here as usually in Tamil films, just say that. You're the one shifting the goalposts by saying, oh but it's more eroticized/hyper-aestheticized than ugly, and so on. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 05:55 PM [Full View]
Yes-ngREn. My question simply is, did you find it or think it was meant to be titillating? Btw, the 2 questions aren't very different to my mind. It's not particularly wrong to be titillated when it's meant to be titillating. Originally Posted by kid-glove
Care to point us to the exploitation films you are talking about? Half-conscious women already wearing such lipstick is one thing. To show lipstick being applied to them in such a state is something altogether different. Again, my question here is the stupid obvious one. Did you find all this titillating? Even in a guilty, embarrassed way, that is. Originally Posted by kid-glove
AmAm. I've nothing to disagree here. And I was the one who talked about this in the first place and my argument was also that Mysskin'doesn't accomplish anything radical with this kind of a move. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 05:55 PM [Full View]
I didnt recycle it, you did. Looks like you are lil peeved. Let's move on. Btw I didnt shift goal posts, been consistent.
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 05:59 PM [Full View]
The shot-making and set-up by its flashy design titillating.
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 06:03 PM [Full View]
Exploitation collection of Roger Coorman wud be a good starting point.
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 06:20 PM [Full View]
recycle-nA? puriyala. Do you mean restart? Yes, I resumed only because I felt your criticisms that it was titillating and then about making us partake the guilt seemed totally contradictory to me. If that's what Mysskin achieves, I'd actually consider it good! Something quite like what Peckinpah does in Straw Dogs. But all this is just a matter of seconds, so I didn't get that sense at all. The Irreversible example, I find irrelevant for this precise reason. That film attempted to show a whole rape sequence, runs for 9 minutes apparently. Here the moments you speak of run for probably a couple of SECONDS! Originally Posted by kid-glove
I'm not peeved as such. Just that I made a simple enough point about the treatment and clarified further what I mean (a standard eroticized image skewed and made ugly) and felt that your response to it refused to engage with the basic point. adhunAla dhAn sonnEn. And it's not like I started the curtness.adhu dhAn mudhallayE solliyAchchE, sir. The stuff pathetically constructed within the image makes one recoil -nu dhAn mudhallErndhu solREn. I never talked about the camera's gaze with regard to this scene, only in the mother's wrath moments. Originally Posted by kid-glove
I said that only because you first said it was simply titillating imagery and later said it "ended up being eroticized" and "was more hyper-aestheticized than ugly (extremely connotative!)" giving leeway to some ambiguity. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 06:27 PM [Full View]
Btw, to clarify again, I do agree with the point that the camera's gaze/treatment is gaudy. That has been part of the whole point I'm making. So my question -- "Care to point us to the exploitation films you are talking about?" is NOT to say the camera gaze here is different, but to say that what it captures is different from standard titillating porn as it is all made to look pathetic. It is in this context you've to read this: Originally Posted by kid-glove
Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 06:34 PM [Full View]
Again, Balaji Sakthivel's vazhakku eN 18/9 is a good example to demonstrate the difference. Look at the scenes involving the girl and the boy trying to capture her in camera. Right from the point of view, how the pretty girl is captured the background music, etc., is very much along the same lines as how the boy would imagine it. I'd not place this as a major criticism on the film again because it's not critical in the larger context of the film (however I would say these segments of the film are utterly uninteresting anyway). But I say this only to highlight how the treatment is different in YS. It is this sort of difference that's worthy of discussion than an oblique comparison with a film like Irreversible ignoring the context in which the respective films got made. e.g. LSD would be a good film to be compared with Irreversible, not yudhdham sei!
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 06:52 PM [Full View]
I am confused now. Think my posts are short and concise, to the point. Straw Dogs has two radically different reactions possible. I mean gaudy, eroticized as they mean it. I am completely lost at what you drew from it. And personally I am not sure you get what I am saying, pretty sure it's YS I am speaking about.
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 06:55 PM [Full View]
Never felt those 9 minutes feel erotic or titillating as few secs here.
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 06:58 PM [Full View]
Anyway, just for the record (which is also why I posted my response after such a long time, it seemed the discussion was left hanging), I don't think the treatment of this scene is meant to titillate like porn, that's why I was puzzled by your criticism and responded to it. But otherwise I've nothing particular to say commending this scene. My primary criticism on the film is, to put it briefly... Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 07:02 PM [Full View]
Found Dirty Picture as problematic!
I dont engage with your point because I didnt quite find it as nearly pathetic as you did. That it differs from standard modes of TFI, the intention, were all clear. But end result was not. Nigh.
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 07:05 PM [Full View]
I'm sure I get what you're saying with respect to the gaudy imagery and the framing, k-g. I brought up Straw Dogs because it gives a sense of titillation and guilt/shame at once. I don't think it gives way to "two radically different reactions" in a mutually exclusive way (if that's what you mean). Since you said the audience are made to partake the guilt of women's violation, I got reminded of it. Guilt vandhuruchchunnA, how is it porn-like aesthetics anymore? This is where I was confused. And I wanted to point out the contradiction. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 07:25 PM [Full View]
I meant guilt as in perversion and violation, its all too catholic for me. Time for me to go.
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 07:25 PM [Full View]
This is fair enough, though I obviously disagree. (Not sure how you concede that the difference/ugliness is somewhat manifested and yet say that the end result was nigh.) Honestly, I got this much from your earlier responses. What I found odd was the contradiction about which I've posted only now. Originally Posted by kid-glove
But just to clarify, I meant "[refusing] to engage with the basic point" not with respect to just this scene, but rather the larger criticism (briefly summarized it above) I then made about the film. Not that you have to, of course, it's your prerogative, etc. But I found it odd because this is not what I was mainly concerned with. About this scene, I just said the treatment here is different from what you'd typically see in films that involve a rape-victim backdrop (peNNai attractive-A kAttittu, villain "react" paNRA mAdhiri kAttuRadhu dhAnE usual?!) nInga adhaip paththiyE pEsittu irundhadhunAla, "peeve" AyittEn. Let me put it differently. Is this what you found most problematic about the film?
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 07:28 PM [Full View]
I mean, the larger criticism I made about the film then -- as in appO, not appuRam.
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 07:30 PM [Full View]
I meant guilt as in perversion and violation, its all too catholic for me. Time for me to go.
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 07:39 PM [Full View]
That was Englishtamil's problem too IIRC, which I had agreed with, right here. Think all my chips are on the table.
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From: KV on 23rd June 2012 07:40 PM [Full View]
summa yoschifying...
does the 'impact' (desired/incidental) of such scenes have anything to do with their intensity too? that the rape scenes in irreversible or clockworkorange are lengthy and kinda 'detailed', does this fact contribute in making the impact of these scenes increasingly ruthless and less erotic? and is it the lack of such intense sexual gore that gives the YS scenes a more erotic/titillating touch to them?
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 07:44 PM [Full View]
Sorry for brief responses, out in Paris.... Corner.
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 07:46 PM [Full View]
It's not length, more the way it's shot and cut together on film.
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 07:50 PM [Full View]
No, I don't think he said anything about that sequence being titillating in a self-evident way or what have you. Here's some of tweets in our conversation. His major point was also about how "the text inherences a mood of patriarchal 'concern'." The protectiveness about female body, the cautionary tone of the film ("nAm vAzhum nagaram..."; "unga akkA, thangachchi" and so on). I totally agree(d) with him there. This is precisely my problem with the film too. Here's where I think Nandhaa subplot is a good counterexample. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: SoftSword on 23rd June 2012 07:52 PM [Full View]
indha angleum nalla irukkae... Originally Posted by KV
PR, some popcorn pls... : purse kondu varala:
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From: kid-glove on 23rd June 2012 08:00 PM [Full View]
I meant ET's problem was ur problem, not my problem(which is not too major concern for you anway). Think it's getting awfully mixed up, boring and pedantic now.
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 08:02 PM [Full View]
nInga vERa... It's incorrect to even say YS had a rape scene. Like all other Tamil films, it shows "the before" and "the after." idhellAm general Tamil cinema grammar dhAnE. They avoid it precisely they don't want that sort of an impact from the audience. And the whole of it is part of a quick flashback with Judas's voiceover to boot! The comparison doesn't even make sense if you ask me. Originally Posted by KV
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From: equanimus on 23rd June 2012 08:06 PM [Full View]
Oh okay. True about "boring," I agree. I didn't mean to affront you, k-g. Just that, reading the recent discussion on the film, I was reminded of our unfinished discussion and thought of posting what I had written. But I think we went over the same thing again. Never mind. Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: SoftSword on 23rd June 2012 08:07 PM [Full View]
aanaa oru mudivukku vandha maadhiri therilayae... Originally Posted by equanimus
Oh okay. True about "boring," I agree. I didn't mean to affront you, k-g. Just that, reading the recent discussion on the film, I was reminded of our unfinished discussion and thought of posting what I had written. But I think we went over the same thing again. Never mind.
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From: KV on 24th June 2012 12:59 AM [Full View]
eekua, i wasn't referring to the rape scene in particular; its rather the overall impact of the 'perverse' portions of the film (grape bed, tennis match, etc), which I thought was one of the issues debated here. Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: jaiganes on 24th June 2012 09:09 AM [Full View]
appo - dress flying to ceiling fan kooda illaya? Originally Posted by equanimus