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Where is Tamil Cinema going??
Topic started by kameshratnam on Wed Nov 15 5:27:11 2006. |
From: sipi on Wed Nov 15 5:47:58 2006. |
From: dinesh2002 on Wed Nov 15 7:32:27 2006. |
From: sipi on Wed Nov 15 7:43:56 2006. |
dinesh2002 wrote: |
tamil movies??? do we have such??? haha...all i know they take malayalam,telugu & English movies to make a 'tamil' films lately..... New,Ghajini, Chandramuki...etc etc....all were super hits.... Original Tamil movies??? nah....... ![]() |
From: dinesh2002 on Wed Nov 15 8:00:28 2006. |
From: sipi on Wed Nov 15 8:42:58 2006. |
From: dinesh2002 on Wed Nov 15 8:59:51 2006. |
From: Erica on Wed Nov 15 11:34:11 2006. |
dinesh2002 wrote: |
tamil movies??? do we have such??? haha...all i know they take malayalam,telugu & English movies to make a 'tamil' films lately..... New,Ghajini, Chandramuki...etc etc....all were super hits.... Original Tamil movies??? nah....... ![]() |
From: kamalsurya on Wed Nov 15 12:15:37 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Wed Nov 15 12:40:21 2006. |
From: Parker on Wed Nov 15 15:21:37 2006. |
dinesh2002 wrote: |
Ghajini = Memento ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento )
New = Big ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big ) |
From: bulb_mani on Wed Nov 15 15:25:35 2006. |
Parker wrote: | ||
Change your taste .. buy tickets and go watch movies like 'Kamarajar' or 'Periyar' in theatre. |
From: Parker on Wed Nov 15 15:33:16 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Nov 15 21:53:33 2006. |
From: lancelot on Wed Nov 15 22:46:27 2006. |
dinesh2002 wrote: |
Ghajini = Memento ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento )
New = Big ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big ) |
From: selvakumar on Wed Nov 15 23:05:23 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Nov 15 23:35:04 2006. |
selvakumar wrote: |
BTW, our directors are professional? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From: selvakumar on Wed Nov 15 23:38:00 2006. |
m_23_bayarea wrote: |
Selva, what's your take on Bollywood's professionalism then ?? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Nov 15 23:39:35 2006. |
selvakumar wrote: | ||
1000 times better than Kollywood. I don't know why the BIG B commented like that. But Bollywood creates movies with a neat plan. That is why the hereos there are able to act in movies continously ! I mean.. all type of movies.. Here ![]() |
From: selvakumar on Wed Nov 15 23:43:43 2006. |
m_23_bayarea wrote: |
REALLY ??? ![]() Man this will be a very interesting discussion dude !!! But let's not have it now !! ![]() |
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Nov 15 23:46:58 2006. |
From: joe on Wed Nov 15 23:47:46 2006. |
selvakumar wrote: |
Here our directors and actors share the blame ! |
From: selvakumar on Wed Nov 15 23:55:39 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Nov 15 23:58:51 2006. |
From: sipi on Wed Nov 15 23:58:54 2006. |
Erica wrote: |
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not really ![]() Tamil film industry has the most sensible film makers in India. |
From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Nov 15 23:59:57 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Pls add audience to some extend ..Previously I had the same opinion of you..But after 'Anbe Sivam' ,I changed my opinion ![]() |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 0:08:03 2006. |
kamalsurya wrote: |
At least there some actors & director trying to do something new.But 80% are all masala craps ![]() |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 0:14:04 2006. |
Ulaganayagan wrote: | ||||
Exactly..Anbe Sivam's failure is still a mystery to many ![]() |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 0:25:50 2006. |
Parker wrote: |
Change your taste .. buy tickets and go watch movies like 'Kamarajar' or 'Periyar' in theatre. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 0:34:12 2006. |
m_23_bayarea wrote: |
Actresses: SHREYA ( ![]() |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 0:46:56 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
every year, more than 80 and nearly 100 films are releasing.. adhula atleast, oru 10 films nalla art film aa edukalame??? dont say, audience are not interested.... |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 0:57:24 2006. |
From: Ulaganayagan on Thu Nov 16 1:04:01 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
anbe sivam kooda neenga eppadi flop nu sollalam??? (its commercially failed movie, avalo thaan... idhe thaan kamal um solluvaru...) andha movie eduthadhu verum profit kaga illa.. ippo neenga, naan, appuram ellarume accept pannikirom anbe sivam is a good movie (adhu eppadi flop aa irukum?) |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 1:08:09 2006. |
Ulaganayagan wrote: | ||
Ella Tamizh padangalum profit-a mukkiyama vachu thaan edukkuranga..Neenga,naan,Joe ellarum AS excellent movie-nnu othukkuttalum,Lakshmi Movie Makers-a adey maathiru oru padam edukka sonna risk edukka mudiyathunnu thaan solvanga..Thats the sad state.. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 1:11:08 2006. |
From: Ulaganayagan on Thu Nov 16 1:11:09 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: | ||||
what will they do? Avanga pozhaika venama? Namma paartha thaane avanga indha madiri padam eduka ![]() |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 1:13:15 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 1:15:24 2006. |
From: Ulaganayagan on Thu Nov 16 1:18:05 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
ulaganayagan : thats true.. i accept that... but, adhoda reason aa audience mela poduradhula thaan enaku virupam illa... i will give an example, why anbe sivam commercially failed...
daily naama sweet sapidurom (vera vazhi illa, inga nammala suthi sweet thaan kannu minnadi iruku... adhu thaan kidaikavum seiyudhu) sweet sapitu sapitu pazhakam aagidichi... thidirnu oruthar vandhu neem leaves sapidu solli kodukuraru... odambuku nalladhu thaan... enna seiradhu sweet sapite pazhagiyachi thidirnu kasapu sapida mudiyuma? konjam konjama thaan kodukanum... ivan thupitan, ivanuku kasape pidikadhu sweet thaan pidikum again sweet koduka aarambicha??? idhu yaaroda fault? |
From: smith on Thu Nov 16 1:26:01 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 1:28:46 2006. |
smith wrote: |
In the hindu, kamal had stated that anbe sivam flopped because it was not marketed properly. He squarely put the blame on the producers which is not fair.
Also, just because AS flopped, it does not mean people do not encourage good cinema. What abt autograph, thavamai thavam irundhu etc., There are few in number, I agree but all is not lost. Just bcos films like hey ram, guna & AS did not run, it does not mean people do not encourage good cinema. Hey ram did not run for a variety of reasons. One, the various languages spoken in thf film, two, the excessive kissing scenes, three, the length of the film & four, Gandhi does not hold much relevance in TN. There are many more. This is not to take away the merits of the film. But it was not without its negatives. |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 1:34:27 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
ulaganayagan : thats true.. i accept that... but, adhoda reason aa audience mela poduradhula thaan enaku virupam illa... i will give an example, why anbe sivam commercially failed...
daily naama sweet sapidurom (vera vazhi illa, inga nammala suthi sweet thaan kannu minnadi iruku... adhu thaan kidaikavum seiyudhu) sweet sapitu sapitu pazhakam aagidichi... thidirnu oruthar vandhu neem leaves sapidu solli kodukuraru... odambuku nalladhu thaan... enna seiradhu sweet sapite pazhagiyachi thidirnu kasapu sapida mudiyuma? konjam konjama thaan kodukanum... ivan thupitan, ivanuku kasape pidikadhu sweet thaan pidikum again sweet koduka aarambicha??? idhu yaaroda fault? |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 1:39:00 2006. |
smith wrote: |
In the hindu, kamal had stated that anbe sivam flopped because it was not marketed properly. He squarely put the blame on the producers which is not fair.
Also, just because AS flopped, it does not mean people do not encourage good cinema. What abt autograph, thavamai thavam irundhu etc., There are few in number, I agree but all is not lost. Just bcos films like hey ram, guna & AS did not run, it does not mean people do not encourage good cinema. Hey ram did not run for a variety of reasons. One, the various languages spoken in thf film, two, the excessive kissing scenes, three, the length of the film & four, Gandhi does not hold much relevance in TN. There are many more. This is not to take away the merits of the film. But it was not without its negatives. |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 1:44:34 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
konjam konjama thaan kodukanum... ivan thupitan, ivanuku kasape pidikadhu sweet thaan pidikum again sweet koduka aarambicha??? idhu yaaroda fault? |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:01:25 2006. |
From: kb on Thu Nov 16 2:03:35 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:06:36 2006. |
From: great on Thu Nov 16 2:08:15 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
kb : ITEM number na??? ![]() |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 2:09:16 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 2:15:16 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
joe : i accept you, profit thaan ippo ellarukume kurikol... its the business world.. naan avanga yaaraiyum kurai sollala joe... edhuku ellarum, naanga kalai aasaiyal vandhom, thamizh cinema va kaapatha vandhom nu sollikanum? (idhu thaan en question) |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:15:32 2006. |
Ulaganayagan wrote: |
Tell me any element that was lacking in AS? There was humour,wit,songs,action,gethu scenes,stunt graphics,romance..Idu ellathukkum mela oru subtle message..Neenga sonna matter-a thaan avangalum try pannanga..aana ![]() |
From: kb on Thu Nov 16 2:18:13 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
enna ketta ellarum pesama masala movies ey edukalam.. enna konjam masala va koraichale podhum... |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:18:34 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:20:47 2006. |
From: great on Thu Nov 16 2:22:55 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
great : i am seriously asking, really i didnt understand, what kb mean for "item number vaikira alavuku poidichi" |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 2:22:56 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
great : i am seriously asking, really i didnt understand, what kb mean for "item number vaikira alavuku poidichi" |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 2:23:24 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
great : i am seriously asking, really i didnt understand, what kb mean for "item number vaikira alavuku poidichi" |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:32:26 2006. |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Nov 16 2:33:28 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Item number vaikkurathu pirachanai illa .aana PERIYAR padathukku kooda Item number vaikka vendiya nilamai vanthuruchennu sollurar ![]() |
From: great on Thu Nov 16 2:35:47 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
Let us wait for the movie and then we can see ![]() |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:36:26 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 2:37:01 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
idha ellam koraichala, nalla cinema va irukume. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:38:18 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: | ||||
Let us wait for the movie and then we can see ![]() |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 2:38:21 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
oh... adhu veraiya???
but, edhuku kb "item number" nu sollanum... |
From: great on Thu Nov 16 2:40:00 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
great : i am seriously asking, really i didnt understand, what kb mean for "item number vaikira alavuku poidichi" |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Nov 16 2:40:44 2006. |
great wrote: | ||
Dance nalla irrumannu thaanae ![]() |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 2:42:00 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:43:09 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Itheyellam koracha nalla cinema-va irukkum ungalukku ..Ana Oddathe ![]() ungalukku-nu naan sonnathu ungalai maathiri romba minority-ku ![]() |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 2:45:05 2006. |
sipi wrote: | ||||
sorry joe, naan othuka maaten... directors ku over masala items illama movie panna theriyalainu venum na sollungo... |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 2:46:58 2006. |
From: kb on Thu Nov 16 2:50:18 2006. |
sipi wrote: |
oh... adhu veraiya???
but, edhuku kb "item number" nu sollanum... |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 2:51:02 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
Gabtun Vijaykanth Arasiyaluku Vandhu Kooda Dharmapurila Masala ellam panraru... u have to see the intro scene and the dance with Lakshmi Rai...
Oru MLA ipadi panumbodhu what will others actors / actresses do? ![]() |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 2:57:18 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 3:01:08 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 3:17:04 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Masala item-s illama Tamil-la vantha oru 5 padangalai list pannunga paakalam ![]() (enna mathiri padangalai neenga mean pannureeannu therinjukka thaan) |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 3:26:35 2006. |
From: nilavupriyan on Thu Nov 16 3:49:39 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 4:00:47 2006. |
From: dsath on Thu Nov 16 6:04:44 2006. |
nilavupriyan wrote: |
In Tamil movies ....movies with love or viloence only run.That may have comercial elements or not
sethu moondram pirai kadhal autograph all are love based movies but social dramas like mahanadhi,kurudhipunal,anbe sivam,kannathil muthamittal or hey raam dint run! it doesnt depend upon the making....but content of the movie |
From: Aandavan on Thu Nov 16 7:36:03 2006. |
nilavupriyan wrote: |
In Tamil movies ....movies with love or viloence only run.That may have comercial elements or not
sethu moondram pirai kadhal autograph all are love based movies but social dramas like mahanadhi,kurudhipunal,anbe sivam,kannathil muthamittal or hey raam dint run! it doesnt depend upon the making....but content of the movie |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 8:57:35 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Sipi,
Thanks for the list ..Ithu thaan neenga ethir paakura level -nna 15 enna 150 ye sollalam. (Aama..ithula 'Maanagara Kaval' eppadi vanthathu ![]() Appo Kuruthipunal ,Mahanathi,Guna ,Uthiri pookal ,Devar magan ,nayagan ,Muthal mariyathai ,Kappalottiya thamizan ,karnan ,vietnam veedu etc -lam over dose-a? |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 8:58:58 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 9:02:30 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
Damil Cinemava Gabdun thaan kaapathanum ![]() |
From: nilavupriyan on Thu Nov 16 9:03:51 2006. |
Aandavan wrote: | ||
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From: nilavupriyan on Thu Nov 16 9:06:22 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Nilavu,
Mullum malarum,Paasamalar ,Kuzhakku cheemaiyile are Annan-Thangai sentiment movies Parasakthi kind of social movies also hits. Most of the MGR movies neither love story nor violence ,but hits. |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 9:18:24 2006. |
nilavupriyan wrote: | ||
ushhh...love means affection,sentiment...apdiye paasatha piliyanum nammooorla! I just mean nowadays no social drama has got its success....like parasakthi did...its infact long slow social drama...people in that situation loved those type of movies(D.K effect)...but now love and action only get its credit |
From: nilavupriyan on Thu Nov 16 9:19:43 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||||
Nilavu, Don't you think Ramana,Indian,Muthalvan are social themes? |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 9:21:15 2006. |
From: nilavupriyan on Thu Nov 16 9:23:23 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
It all depends on presentation isnt it? ![]() |
From: ranarajan on Thu Nov 16 9:32:36 2006. |
From: selvakumar on Thu Nov 16 9:47:38 2006. |
ranarajan wrote: |
i think tamil cinema is gonna be like hindi cinema soon, cuz we got talented directors like Gautham, Vishnu .. and we are making big big bugeted movies.. |
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Nov 16 10:32:58 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 10:56:00 2006. |
From: Sanguine Sridhar on Thu Nov 16 10:57:35 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
Ajay SJ suryah is a good director... we cant tolerate him as a hero thats it ![]() |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 11:00:28 2006. |
Sanguine Sridhar wrote: | ||
Perarasu is a best director but we cant tolerate his movie thats it ![]() |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 16:47:33 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 17:24:07 2006. |
From: sipi on Thu Nov 16 17:26:04 2006. |
From: thamiz on Thu Nov 16 18:08:21 2006. |
From: kannannn on Thu Nov 16 18:35:43 2006. |
From: thamiz on Thu Nov 16 19:04:41 2006. |
Quote: |
American movies are and will always be the most viewed. It's the same with us. 'Masala' movies will always be more popular. |
From: kannannn on Thu Nov 16 19:27:38 2006. |
thamiz wrote: |
kannan!
You are back to UK! ![]() |
thamiz wrote: |
Is that really true, frnch makes better movies? Or they think they are superior!
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From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Nov 16 21:17:42 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
Six reasons why a Tamil hero has a younger sister The top 6 climaxes in Tamil cinema |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 21:29:43 2006. |
thamiz wrote: |
Never seen french movies winning that many oscars either! :0 |
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Nov 16 21:42:08 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
I thought Oscar awards is for Hollywood movies ,except only one category "Best non-hollywood movie" ![]() |
From: joe on Thu Nov 16 21:43:51 2006. |
m_23_bayarea wrote: | ||||
Yeah Exactly !! I dont understand what the big deal abt OSCAR awards is ... Just like how we have Filmfare, State, and National awards for our movies, these guys have Oscars, Golden Globe, etc ... I donno why we have to struggle all our lives aspiring to win one ... Do these guys struggle to win one Filmfare award in India ?? Maybe cos they have a category for international movies ... But this is one thing that I can NEVER understand !!! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Nov 16 21:47:09 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Me Too!!! ![]() ![]() |
From: selvakumar on Fri Nov 17 1:56:53 2006. |
From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Nov 17 2:16:29 2006. |
m_23_bayarea wrote: |
Yeah Exactly !! I dont understand what the big deal abt OSCAR awards is ... Just like how we have Filmfare, State, and National awards for our movies, these guys have Oscars, Golden Globe, etc ... I donno why we have to struggle all our lives aspiring to win one ... Do these guys struggle to win one Filmfare award in India ?? Maybe cos they have a category for international movies ... But this is one thing that I can NEVER understand !!! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From: joe on Fri Nov 17 2:23:02 2006. |
Ulaganayagan wrote: | ||
Simply because Oscars are the prominent awards recognised internationally..Winning an oscar gives you international acclaim,that a filmfare doesn't.. I am not saying that Oscars are the benchmarks for categorising a movie, but its the most popularly accepted...Its become something like the Nobel prize for cinema.. |
From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Nov 17 2:31:26 2006. |
Ulaganayagan wrote: |
I am not saying that Oscars are the benchmarks for categorising a movie, but its the most popularly accepted...Its become something like the Nobel prize for cinema.. |
From: joe on Fri Nov 17 2:34:23 2006. |
Ulaganayagan wrote: | ||
Please note that I said its become something like the Nobel prize for cinema..In the sense that its become the internationally accepted recognition for cinema like Nobel is for peace/science etc.. for example, I dont know if Tom Hanks has won an award in Cannes or not,but I know how many academy awards he has won.. |
From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Nov 17 2:42:01 2006. |
joe wrote: |
I understood your point ,but can't agree with you fully ..Oscar can't be something like Nobel unless it changes to cover global ,not just one industry |
From: VENKIRAJA on Fri Nov 17 9:54:34 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 10:20:20 2006. |
From: vasanthgt on Fri Nov 17 10:24:27 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 10:33:32 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 11:06:31 2006. |
Quote: |
Citizen Citizen : Athipatti nu oru ooru irundhuchenu unga yaarukaavdhu theriyumaa??? ![]() Judge : ErumaiNaayagamPatti nu oru ooru iruke adhu theriyuma unaku? ![]() Citizen : Theriyaadhu ![]() Judge : Apo Adhukum Idhukum Seriya Pochu ![]() |
Quote: |
Kaaka Kaaka
Jeevan [ Paandiya ] : Avalai Thookarenda....Unaku Valikum Da ... . Nee azhuva De... ![]() Surya [ ACP ] : Avalai Thookina Unaku Thaanda Valikum.. Ena Ava 120 Kilo ![]() |
Quote: |
Chandramuki
Prabhu : Enna Kodumai Saravana Idhu ? ![]() Rajini : Edhu Jothikava Unaku Jodiya Potadha? ![]() |
Quote: |
Ramana
Vijaykanth : Damila Enaku Pidikaadha Ore Vaartha Mannipu ![]() Student : Adhu DAMIL ila captain THAMIZH ![]() Vijaykanth: Apo enaku DAMILa pudikadha ore Vaartha THAMIZH ![]() |
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 11:53:21 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 12:08:26 2006. |
thamiz wrote: |
well, Mr. bay, if oscar and hollywood do not mean much to US, why are we going to Hollywood to get some "special make up" done there?! france is only half the distance from TN! ![]() Are not we the one who gives so much importance to them and, say in the other end, OSCAR and hollywwod are not a big deal? ![]() |
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 12:53:45 2006. |
m_23_bayarea wrote: |
Goin to get make-up and buying the technology is all part of business ![]() |
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 12:57:04 2006. |
thamiz wrote: | ||
True, that is part of moive business but I do business with someone, from whom I can by some worthy stuff- from the advancement they have made. We dont leave even leave singl movie including Fish Called Wanda and Serendipity and Walk in the Clouds and what not. Anyway, I dont think we are getting anywhere! ![]() |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 13:06:39 2006. |
thamiz wrote: | ||
True, that is part of moive business but I do business with someone, from whom I can buy some worthy stuff- from the advancement they have made. We dont leave even leave single movie including "Fish Called Wanda" (London) and Serendipity (jey jey) and Walk in the Clouds (poo veli) and what not. ![]() Anyway, I dont think we are getting anywhere! ![]() |
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 14:16:30 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 14:36:54 2006. |
thamiz wrote: |
For free! ![]() Check your inbox ! ![]() |
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 14:41:36 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 14:42:43 2006. |
thamiz wrote: |
Oh come on!
That is "man with no name" Clint, the legend! ![]() sari, let us Not digress, bay! ![]() |
From: NOV on Sat Nov 18 4:23:08 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
in hollywood the hero acts in roles that suits his age but in kollywood the producer has to paya whopping amount to make the hero look young even if he 60...get special wigs and make him dance with 20 year olds ![]() ![]() |
From: thamizhvaanan on Sat Nov 18 4:41:24 2006. |
NOV wrote: |
Wasnt 70 year old sean connery paired with dream girl catherine zeta jones? |
From: bulb_mani on Sat Nov 18 5:22:01 2006. |
thamizhvaanan wrote: | ||
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From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Nov 18 10:11:50 2006. |
NOV wrote: |
when will we ever stop demeaning ourselves? ![]() do you know old james bonds are? and how old the bond girls are? ok, how abt the movie Entrapment (partly shot in Malaysia)? Wasnt 70 year old sean connery paired with dream girl catherine zeta jones? ![]() |
From: Surya on Sat Nov 18 15:10:42 2006. |
thamizhvaanan wrote: | ||
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From: VENKIRAJA on Sun Nov 19 11:29:35 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Sun Nov 19 11:30:51 2006. |
From: Aandavan on Sun Nov 19 11:50:22 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Sun Nov 19 11:51:46 2006. |
Aandavan wrote: |
guys , dharmapuri is far better than sivakasi and thirupachi ![]() |
From: VENKIRAJA on Sun Nov 19 11:53:52 2006. |
Aandavan wrote: |
guys , dharmapuri is far better than sivakasi and thirupachi ![]() |
From: bulb_mani on Sun Nov 19 11:58:03 2006. |
VENKIRAJA wrote: | ||
moonru murai tharkolai seythu kondavarukku en aazntha anuthaapangal. |
From: Aandavan on Sun Nov 19 11:58:19 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: | ||
![]() ![]() Aandavan did u watch the intro scene of Vijaykanth??? I feel Tirupachi, Sivakasi and TIrupathi were better ![]() Dharmapuri is somewhat over build up... political propaganda ![]() |
From: Aandavan on Sun Nov 19 11:59:35 2006. |
VENKIRAJA wrote: | ||
moonru murai tharkolai seythu kondavarukku en aazntha anuthaapangal. |
From: VENKIRAJA on Sun Nov 19 12:00:02 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Sun Nov 19 12:00:41 2006. |
From: VENKIRAJA on Sun Nov 19 12:01:48 2006. |
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From: ajaybaskar on Fri Dec 1 5:34:17 2006. |
Parker wrote: | ||
Why? you forgot movies like Autograph, Solla Marandha Kadhai,Azhagi,Anbey Sivam,Dhavamai Dhavamirundhu,Thambi!? When people make an art movie it ran to flop and a crap masala movies acted by the most crap recent actors are praised and called as blockbusters?? Whose mistakes Actors,Directors ?? Its a great shame that jobless youth is praising and fighting for the recent actors who cant even talk in tamil properly and depends on dancing and singing with hip shaking heroines? Its also a great shame no young actors(very few exceptions) have emerged as an 'actor' from this land where the greatest legend called Nadigar Thilagam and other legends like Kamalhasan,Rajinikanth emerged! Change your taste .. buy tickets and go watch movies like 'Kamarajar' or 'Periyar' in theatre. |
From: bulb_mani on Fri Dec 1 5:45:19 2006. |
From: leosimha on Fri Dec 1 8:11:54 2006. |
From: Nayagan on Tue Dec 5 21:02:41 2006. |
From: smith on Wed Dec 6 10:02:56 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 0:54:01 2006. |
ajaybaskar wrote: |
I beg ur pardon,buddy. The present day actors r far better than the previous generation actors. Sivaji overacts most of the time. MGR does the same story again and again with diff titles. But people like Vikram, Surya, Ajith can do any role with relative ease and Vijay provides the commercial element. Only thing is that hero worship has increased which shud b avoided. |
From: joe on Thu Dec 7 1:20:25 2006. |
From: Parker on Thu Dec 7 1:21:58 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Dec 7 1:27:27 2006. |
Parker wrote: |
Very well said Grouch!
I remember a statement said by Rajini "Thalaikku thala vimarsanam pannalaanga,Thalaikku val kooda vimarsanam pannalam, aana vaalula ottikitturukura moodi ellam vimarsanam panna thaangaadhunga!" grow up kids! |
From: Sanguine Sridhar on Thu Dec 7 1:28:35 2006. |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 1:31:19 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
Ivaru periya CHiranjeevi ivaru matum thaan vimarsanam seyalam.... romba hype kudukadha ![]() |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 1:39:23 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
Doing any role at ease? You must be joking. Can you imagine these young actors (bless them, they do have talent) doing Veera pandiya kattabomman, Navarathiri, Deiva Magan, Oh, give me a break. You get the idea. |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 1:47:40 2006. |
ajaybaskar wrote: |
Sivaji overacts most of the time |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Dec 7 1:51:06 2006. |
imsai wrote: | ||
I agree with you. You posted in a wrong place though ![]() |
From: joe on Thu Dec 7 1:52:18 2006. |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 1:54:21 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Dec 7 2:00:15 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
Don't laugh bulb. You haven't noticed it in your short stay here? New discussions start in every threads, all of them end at <actor name> is the best in every aspect of Tamil Cinema. |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 2:04:21 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Thirumaran,
Good Post! ![]() Not only NT ,MGR can be an example for invlovement in making of a movie .MGR is not just an actor ,He was commited to make his movies fulfils what he wanted ,especially songs .He learned a lot in every aspect of movie making .That is why he was successful as a director. |
From: NOV on Thu Dec 7 2:30:08 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 2:32:13 2006. |
imsai wrote: | ||
I agree with you. You posted in a wrong place though ![]() |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 2:32:19 2006. |
NOV wrote: |
Groucho, personally I don't get alarmed when some young chap pass careless remarks. Most of the time, I dont even bother to rebut their "beliefs" for only time can change thier views.
Nothing, I repeat, nothing can affect the contibutions of these giants to the Tamil film world. And its no use blaming fans of Ajith and Vijay alone. Fans of Rajini and Kamal are really no better when it comes to across-the-board recognition and always fail to see the shortcomings of their idols, while harping on the faults of their opponents. True realisation will only happen when people stop being fans of "stars" and become fans of the "medium." |
From: ajithfederer on Thu Dec 7 2:32:20 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: | ||
This is the second time I come across this Senior Hubber here accusing Sivaji of overact-ing - possibly disgusted with it. I assume your knowledge of Tamil film of yesteryears is hazy. What is indeed overacting? Overperforming? Doing more? Showing more emotion than necessary? Sivaji did it necessarily. If you do have some free time, please visit the Nadigar Tilagam (NT) thread and there are whole bunch of explanations waiting as to NTs capability to act, overact and underact. Sivaji Ganesan is the foundation of all acting in Tamil film industry till today. Kamal and Rajini owe it to him; and both are doing great job in preserving and enhancing the acting tradition bestowed by Svaji. Please note the word enhancing there. I have wrote so much and did plenty of analysis of NT's performance. I really suggest you visit the NT thread and re-educate your good self. As for MGR. No, he did not do the same story again and again. Have you watched Nadodi Mannan, Malaikkalan, Gulebagavali, Madurai Veeran of the 50s? Have you watched Engga Veettu, Padagotti, Petraalthaan Pillaiya, Parakkum Pavai, Paasam, Oli Vilakku of the 60s? Or Raman Thediya Seethai, Ulagam Sutrum Valibam, Madurai Meeta Sundarapandiyan of the 70s? Are they all of same storyline? You better check your facts before making such accusation. MGR is a mediocre actor, who excelled in other skills like fighting and is a great businessman. He gave entertaining values in his film; and not to mention taking the role of a moral guide. The interpretation of the latter is up to the audience. I enjoyed his films for mere entertainment values. And you said: "But people like Vikram, Surya, Ajith can do any role with relative ease and Vijay provides the commercial element." They are all good actors. They are still growing and are struggling to find good script to fit their talents. But they had to resort to mass-entertainment flicks to survive. Sivaji did not have to do that. Once, when he actually did venture into mass entertainers (late 70s onwards), that was when he lost out. Sivaji was a class act, and that was what people wanted. Doing any role at ease? You must be joking. Can you imagine these young actors (bless them, they do have talent) doing Veera pandiya kattabomman, Navarathiri, Deiva Magan, Oh, give me a break. You get the idea. Let us give our support to the cinema now. But don't forget the past. 50s to 70s had been a golden era for Tamil film industry. That was the foundation of what the cinema is - good or bad; right or wrong. That was the era that fed the creative hunger of the living legends, Kamal and Rajini. The rest of the young heroes we see WANTS to be Kamal and Rajini. When Kamal and Rajini were up and coming they did not announce that they wanted to be the next Sivaji or MGR. They just kept their head down and worked their a** off. I worry about the current crop of heroes. They have talent, yes. But they are struggling. And there are a lot more talent out there. Look at Jeeva and Barath. Their growth is staggering. But do we have good scripts for them? I think so. Yes. New ideas are emerging. Audience will hunger for fresh stories and new talents. The mass market that is currently populated by Vijay, Ajith (occasionally) or Vishal will be downgraded. It won't be the main attraction anymore. Come on, even Sathyaraj is doing Periyar (can't wait to see it). This is a major development. A mainstream star acting in a art-film. We shall see. Tamil film industry is going through a very, very interesting period. I think time is coming when the term Bollywood will be forgotten and Indian films will be mostly Tamil films. |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Dec 7 2:33:04 2006. |
From: ajithfederer on Thu Dec 7 2:34:02 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: | ||||
I agree wholeheartedly. He should post it in Nadigar Thilagam thread. We are waiting for you there Senior Hubber ajaybaskar. Coming to the topic. I see plenty of variety in cinema these days. The worst era of Tamil cinema is the 90s, in my opinion. This was the time when trend matters too much to filmakers. People were scared. The safest thing was just to follow a trend. And we came up with many films with same storyline - most of which revolved around romance or 'love subject'. With exception of few films and talents, 90s will go down in the history of Tamil film as umemorable. But things are changing. Young directors like Seran, Goutham, Murugados and even Masala king Perarasu (giving to a different class of audience) are giving us varieties to savour from. Then, you have the veterans who are willing to try new things. I mentioned Sathyaraj in Periyar. He now has the market clout to experiment, while also doing crappy (but entertaining to me) B-grade films. I am not a fan of Simbhu, but I can see that he is trying to make an impact. Vikram is boosted by his awards, and is certain to be scrutinising his scripts carefully. Ajith learned through Varalaru that people still appreciate him doing character-centric roles. Vijay's future is remained to be seen; as people may get bored with his masala-ic flicks, and he may have to take a detour. Surya is comfortable in his own zone; he has varieties and is as capable and is sometimes better than all the above. I said sometimes. I have personal fondness for Madhavan's performances. But that is a subject to be discussed in a different thread (and I did in Madhavan's thread). You notice all of them has their own arena. The Vijay/Ajith rivalry is pointless, as they both have their own fanbase and sometimes overlap each other. Then, you have the younger set like Jeeva, Barath and Arya. All these are good for the filmakers - they now have a bigger database to choose from. In the nineties, there were too few actors and they can't fill up all the roles. In the days of Sivaji; there would be requriement for 8 different roles in a year, and Sivaji alone can fill them all up. You can't do that now. Instead, we have many actors of competent calibre. Each actor can fill up those eight roles. (I am not saying one Sivaji equals 8 contemporary actor; its actually more). The same goes in other department like music. ARR rules. Fine. But there are other capable composers as well to chose from. Likewise, the lyricist, cinematographer etc. Industry looks vibrant now. Promising. Tamil cinema will rule. And I say this again: Don't forget to appreciate the past. They are all about passing down knowledge of success and failure. Learn the good and avoid the bad. I hope the younger sets of talents will realise this. |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 2:36:40 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
even Masala king Perarasu (giving to a different class of audience) are giving us varieties to savour from.
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From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 2:40:48 2006. |
NOV wrote: |
And its no use blaming fans of Ajith and Vijay alone. Fans of Rajini and Kamal are really no better when it comes to across-the-board recognition and always fail to see the shortcomings of their idols, while harping on the faults of their opponents. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 2:44:06 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: | ||
Good post ![]() ![]() It is time send Perarasu to his native town/Village ![]() |
From: NOV on Thu Dec 7 2:44:08 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
This is applicable to fans of MGR and Shivaji too. !!! Probably not to greater extent at the moment. ![]() |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 2:47:10 2006. |
NOV wrote: | ||
the hardcore fans of MGR, Sivaji are probably in their 50s and 60s or worse still, dead. ![]() |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 2:50:32 2006. |
NOV wrote: | ||
the hardcore fans of MGR, Sivaji are probably in their 50s and 60s or worse still, dead. ![]() |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 2:54:17 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
I know. I don't belong to that class of audience. Even Hollywood have their own version of 'masala' directors. People like Michael Bay, Paul W. Anderson are reviled by critics and somehow their films find a big audience. |
From: NOV on Thu Dec 7 2:58:48 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
Haha. I am a hardcore Sivaji fan, and I am 33. |
groucho070 wrote: |
But I like to be sensible. I think most Sivaji fan are. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 3:17:10 2006. |
NOV wrote: |
I'd be more comfortable with "maturity levels" regardless of whose fan a person is. We have seen brash fans of both MGR and Sivaji right here in the Hub. It is only natural - at least in most cases - that the older a person gets, the more accepting/mellowed he becomes. Of course there are exceptions like Thirumaran, but in this case exceptions are not the rule. ![]() |
From: joe on Thu Dec 7 3:22:03 2006. |
From: NOV on Thu Dec 7 3:29:04 2006. |
joe wrote: |
I don't know how you rate me in this ![]() |
From: selvakumar on Thu Dec 7 3:29:30 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
The rest of the young heroes we see WANTS to be Kamal and Rajini. When Kamal and Rajini were up and coming they did not announce that they wanted to be the next Sivaji or MGR. They just kept their head down and worked their a** off.
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From: joe on Thu Dec 7 3:37:29 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Dec 7 3:41:04 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Selva,
In the dictionary you refered ,it is said "an extremely famous actor, singer, musician, sports player, etc:" for Super Star. I thought Ajith also an extremely famous actor ..then he is already a super star. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 3:42:22 2006. |
selvakumar wrote: | ||
Little correction here. Since you have put every young actor in this category, I want to explain it further frommy side. Ajith said he wants to become the * superstar * and he never said he wants to become NEXT RAJINI or NEXT KAMAL ! (I am 100% sure that he didn't utter those words. It was the funny media which exaggerated his stand and unfortunately his films continuously couldn't sustain a long run) So, he never announced that he wanted to be the next Rajini and Kamal and safely had his a** out off the "wannabes" list and carved a new style for himself ! ![]() |
From: selvakumar on Thu Dec 7 3:43:38 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Selva,
In the dictionary you refered ,it is said "an extremely famous actor, singer, musician, sports player, etc:" for Super Star. I thought Ajith also an extremely famous actor ..then he is already a super star. |
From: joe on Thu Dec 7 3:52:06 2006. |
selvakumar wrote: |
IF that fits the meaning, then every popular HERO with mass adulation and support is a "Superstar". |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 3:55:42 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Dec 7 3:59:28 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
Joe, it's funny how I always get questioned by Ajith fans. |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 4:00:25 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Dec 7 4:01:45 2006. |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 4:03:07 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Dec 7 4:05:29 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 4:07:18 2006. |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 4:08:47 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 4:11:22 2006. |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 4:20:52 2006. |
From: great on Thu Dec 7 4:26:24 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
shankar providing Meaningful entertainment with messages and to some extent hollywood like movie ![]() |
From: selvakumar on Thu Dec 7 4:29:02 2006. |
joe wrote: |
That should be the way.Meaning for 'Super Star' is exactly given in that dictionary ,but you say it has different meaning in TN ..Then giving a wrong reference is not right..So what ajith meant is not you refered ,but he wanted that exclusive place of Rajini ,which contradicts your previous explanation |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 4:34:13 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
And in few years Kamal to take up the director job on a permanent basis, the future is looking good ![]() |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 4:34:20 2006. |
great wrote: | ||
IMO shankar is one the over rated director. But he is one among the best producer around ![]() |
From: kb on Thu Dec 7 4:37:08 2006. |
From: selvakumar on Thu Dec 7 4:39:05 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
Joe, it's funny how I always get questioned by Ajith fans, when I never even mention his name. Remember the thread on action scenes, and then another which I forgot. I got into trouble with LeoSimha, I think, for offending Ajith fans. Phew! I had to give a tactful, diplomatic, handled with glove information until they were happy.
I have a positive review on Varalaru which I thought of posting on my website. But I change my mind now. Got to be veeeeery careful, Grouch, very, very careful. |
From: great on Thu Dec 7 4:40:08 2006. |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 4:42:59 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: | ||
This is where sometimes I am angry with Kamal. He is a damned good director; and to many extend I think he can be the best right now. And he should be directing at least one film a year. I hope he will look into directing more seriously. With him behind the camera, Tamil film industry is set go go sky high. |
From: selvakumar on Thu Dec 7 4:48:26 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
I have given my insight on the future of Tamil cinema - which is very positive.
What do you guys think? Joe? Did I miss your post on Tamil film future, Selvakumar? |
From: kb on Thu Dec 7 4:50:04 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
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From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 4:51:11 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: | ||||
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From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 4:51:45 2006. |
great wrote: |
I do accept he did fair job in Gentleman,Indian and Muthalvan. Though there are few flaws in the Muthalvan it was entertaining till the end. But there are other director who are also doing better jobs than shankar are not that recognised. |
From: kb on Thu Dec 7 4:53:30 2006. |
From: NOV on Thu Dec 7 4:58:09 2006. |
From: great on Thu Dec 7 5:00:01 2006. |
From: selvakumar on Thu Dec 7 5:01:16 2006. |
great wrote: |
I wont rate boys as bold movie instead I would go for Azhiyatha Kolangal by Balu Mahendra as a Bold movie. Boys is pretty odniary movie the theme we have seen many times. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 7 5:01:57 2006. |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 5:05:03 2006. |
kb wrote: |
to tell the fact..
IMO MN trailer was not that interesting.. doordarshanla morning vara raaja kaalathu serial maathirii irrundhuchi.. guess with sound it will bemore interesting.. wishing it gud luck in BO |
From: Thirumaran on Thu Dec 7 5:06:35 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
So, on his own, Shankar has not contributed much. But with a good team, he has carved a name in the industry. |
From: yellow on Thu Dec 7 9:35:15 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: | ||
To form a good team and to make that team work great is part of direction excellency ![]() ![]() |
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Dec 7 10:11:13 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
Originality is never Shankar's forte.
Gentlemen's story is that of a Robin Hood-like character, and it had been done before. Shankar offered some fresh hold on it, and ARR's music played a huge part in the film's success. Indian is basically a remake of Nam Pirantha Man - Sivaji as freedom fighter/vigilante dad and Kamal as rebelious/never-appreciating-freedom son. Again, ARR played important part. Kamal's makeup brought a lots of attention and a national award. Mudhalvan is my favourite and I feel crappy each time I heard that the story had been tailored for Rajini. If he had only done that movie, phew!!!!! This film had good script. It shared plotline with Puthumai Pittan. Both were good and well done. ARR again is big here. Jeans - the special effects came into full play; especially after a bit of experiement in Indian. Prashant's lacklustre performance almost ruined it. ARR is the hero here. Boys - bold story telling. The boys are good; and little did I know that some of them are going to be bigger. ARR is again the hero. Anniyan - I wonder if Shankar just telephoned his direction. One of the most god-awful-piece of....oh hell, just check out my review in my site and you know. So, where does Shankar stand amidst all that? His use of talents. He is a great spotter of talents. That is why the films that he produced are great. Someone said that he is a good producer, I agree. The quality of production is helped by good budget and great cinematographers. Good crew, cast, technicians, all giving their best. So, on his own, Shankar has not contributed much. But with a good team, he has carved a name in the industry. |
From: NOV on Thu Dec 7 10:45:11 2006. |
ajaybaskar wrote: |
Anniyan is a straight lift from Sidney Sheldon's Tell Me Your Dreams... |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Dec 7 14:56:08 2006. |
From: imsai on Thu Dec 7 15:01:23 2006. |
From: kb on Thu Dec 7 15:02:41 2006. |
From: bingleguy on Thu Dec 7 15:04:00 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Thu Dec 7 15:04:05 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
bulb, don't wanna agree with you because it'll send a wrong signal that I/we are trouble makers..
few days back, joe pmed me and said 'get lost idiot.' naanga hub-la decent-a solrom.. avanga pm-la decent-a solraanga ![]() |
From: Surya on Thu Dec 7 15:32:59 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
bulb, don't wanna agree with you because it'll send a wrong signal that I/we are trouble makers..
few days back, joe pmed me and said 'get lost idiot.' naanga hub-la decent-a solrom.. avanga pm-la decent-a solraanga ![]() |
From: Surya on Thu Dec 7 15:34:29 2006. |
bulb_mani wrote: |
imsai i agree with u ... senior actors' fans can comment on anyone in any manner... n they remain unbanned while we r threatened... immediately some lame logic comes into play...personal abuse nu pretext even if its not present... with a rain of proverbs n signatures...
Really such people r amusement to me ![]() |
From: joe on Fri Dec 8 3:13:25 2006. |
From: suba on Mon Dec 11 11:42:51 2006. |
From: bulb_mani on Mon Dec 11 12:20:59 2006. |
suba wrote: |
Hi all,
Just curious. Is all masala films a hit ? |