Digressions - Sivaji thread

Topic started by Nakeeran on Tue Oct 3 13:30:35 2006.

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• From: groucho070 on Tue Oct 3 23:02:56 2006.

  Well, Nakkeera...from all those reading I gather this: Those names dominate what had occured and receive more media coverage than our beloved low profile NT. Plus the limelight after 1972 has always been Muka vs MGR / DMK vs ADMK. I think that is why there is less news on NT.
  
  Plus, NT seemed to be more focussed on making films. Look at the number of films he was making in the 70s. One after another...and I find it amazing that he found time for politics at all. That, and he was producing as well.
  
  I suppose NT the politician will be more prominent in Murali-sar's writeup in the next installment...where he has cut down his films and become active in politics (eventually burning his fingers, I think).
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 3:36:31 2006.

  sankara1970 wrote:

  NT was a busy man till late seventies or mid of eighties. The newcomers to the industry never bothered him or affected his career. B'caz the industry revolved around him-Those who were trying to defeat him only looked his viswaroopam at each stage. Though at times his films failed at box office, the distributors made money in next films. He himself produced films to satisfy himself or help his close friends. He acted in three shifts continuously. When his mother was ill, fellow actresses visited her mother and indeed MGR visited. Such was NT's dedication and he saw to it that the producer was not affected. Also he and MGR started asking distribution rights for A centres. For NT his brothers managed his finances.

  
  
  Sankara
  
  You are saying this purely out of affinity on NT but the fact was that right from the mid 70s, the 2 younger generation stars Rajini and Kamal changed the course of tamil cinema. What also followed was Isainyani , Barathiraja, Bagyaraj, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra - all brought in fresh air to the tamil cinema.
  
  While I have been regularly going through all the posts in this thread, I am also parallelly checking with my elders who are peers to Mr. Murali and other seniors here. And what they all convey is that Rajini and Kamal were the strong force right from the mid 70s.
  
  Again, this is not to denounce NT in any way. He was already an upper middle aged man by that time.
  
  Apart from that he paired with stars like Sridevi, Sripriya , some Srilankan stars etc were not received in good taste by the Shivaji fans themselves .
  
  From late 70s, Shivaji was not a market leader .
  
  The movies which Mr. Murali Srinivas is highlighting from the late 70s are not really great ones but I am sure Mr. Murali is just giving an account to highlight the movies that he acted and how many days they ran.
  
  I am stunned by the account that Thirusoolam ran for record number of days and it exceeded in collection.
  
  A TRUE SHIVAJI FAN WILL NEVER SEE A MOVIE LIKE THIRUSOOLAM. Which had no elements of NT in that. IMO, if Mudhal mariyadhai had run for 300 days, its commendable but not Thriusoolam which doesnt even deserve to cross 50days but it ran well due to sentimental factor that its his 200th movie !
  
  Clearly , the storyline was not that great , the role of Shivaji was not sound when compared what he got in the 60s ( the great Bhimsingh series and APN series )
  
  IMO, the Shivaji era was over by the mid 70s itself . He was just appearing in some movies but seeing those movies , one can easily conclude that he was not at his best.
  
  Finally a Mudhal mariyadhai, Devar Magan only could redeem his class but that was again momentary
  
  You check with anyone who is at the age group of early 50s and they will confirm that Shivaji movies of the late 70s were ridiculed like anything .
  
  My earnest appeal here is YOU ARE ALL SHIVAJI FANS. TRUE. but please just dont try to glorify all his acts . Also be critical of his negative aspects.
  
  The late 70s was one such.
  
  I dont know , how many will jump on me now
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 3:49:01 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Well, Nakkeera...from all those reading I gather this: Those names dominate what had occured and receive more media coverage than our beloved low profile NT. Plus the limelight after 1972 has always been Muka vs MGR / DMK vs ADMK. I think that is why there is less news on NT. Plus, NT seemed to be more focussed on making films. Look at the number of films he was making in the 70s. One after another...and I find it amazing that he found time for politics at all. That, and he was producing as well..

  
  
  Well Groucho
  
  Media coverage & NT lowprofile - I think NT was never seriously pursuing politics but his focus was on art ( movies ) only . And this is the clear diff. bet. NT and MGR . WHile MGR was equally focussed on politics as well and also spread political messages through movies, he attracted more attention.
  
  NT, if he had wanted could have also tried vigorously but the big crocodile party like Congress wouldnt have allowed him.
  
  Politics was never his cup of tea .
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Oct 4 4:01:22 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Thriusoolam which doesnt even deserve to cross 50days but it ran well due to sentimental factor that its his 200th movie !

  
  
  Thirisoolam is not in my favourite list .But if you say it ran well due to sentimental factor that is his 200th movie ,you made a same side goal .If a movie can break records just because of the sentiment that it is NT's 200th movie ,it proves the power of NT and his range of fan following .isn't it?
  
  Btw, the same story was remade again in 80's ,2 sivaji instead of 3 and one prabhu ,'Santhippu' which also a super duper hit silver jublee movie .so what does it mean?
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 5:17:38 2006.

  Interesting points Nakkeera. My favourite era has always been the late sixties and early seventies, and I agree that late seventies took a different turn in NTs career and he made some really bad movies.
  
  I agree too that Trisoolam is, in no way, deserve 200 days. Never my favourite.
  
  As for your appeal...I think very few of us have err...glorified his performance in those movies. Trisoolam, most of us praised the songs. If you look at Murali-sar's quick recap, you will notice that he kept mentioning poor script, but good songs, etc.
  
  Let’s take two of Murali-sar’s comment:
  
  “Amara Kaviyam – 24.04.1981. Another remake, this time from Hindi. MSV produced this movie. When MSV had asked for dates (this was to help MSV’s son), NT agreed. Those were the days when remakes were ruling the roost and Mukaadar ka Sikandar was remade. This Amithab – Vinod Khanna starrer was a super duper hit but it didn’t take off in Tamil. Madhavi paired with NT. MSV had tuned in some good songs.
  
  “Kal Thoon – 01.05.1981. This was a successful stage drama by Major. This was made into a film and Major himself directed the movie. He simply transplanted the story from the stage to the screen. But NT after a long time had a meaty role to play and again a father –son confrontation (though not up to T.Pathakkam levels) was well received. In spite of having to compete with Amara Kaviyam released just a week prior, with Rajini/KB Thillu Mullu released on the same day and with Kamal’s Raja Parvai (released 3 weeks prior), still Kal Thoon was successful and completed 100 days and clearly showed Sagapdhangal Mudivathilai.”
  
  Full of background information. The first movie, he mentioned good songs and the fact that “remakes were ruling the roost” which accounts some poor choice of assignment on NTs part.
  
  As for second movie, he noted ‘meaty role’ and confessed that the ‘confrontation’ was “not up to T Pathakkam level’.
  
  
  I think we NT fans are careful enough not to glorify performances that are not meant to be praised at all. Also, we too point out why NTs performance did not make a mark.
  
  In case of Murali-sar’s recent write-up (and Joe’s post before this) , we are exposed to the fact that these films, no matter how mediocre they are, seem to be successful. Performance-wise, NT was getting diluted, but audience’s hunger for his talent was there and was as high as before.
  
  That is what we would like to ‘glorify’…the success rate. Because it was something that had not been written about before. At least, not here in Malaysia.
  
  But then, Nakkeera, I speak for few of us. There are certainly some who thing that everything NT does is great. I am sure even NT will disagree to that. He will happily point out the performance that he hated.
  
  Otherwise, it’s a good argument. I think we NT fans have the humility to admit that NT has done some weak movies and weaker performances. But his great movie and great performance has far outnumbered the weak ones…so much so that we tend to forget and forgive those mediocres that came out of late seventies and eighties. But hell…once in a while he does turn out some gems, if the directors are smart enough to use him correctly.
  
  Now, the issue of directors using him…that is an entirely different issue altogether.
  
  Good argument, Nakkeera. Awaiting your response.
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Oct 4 5:32:44 2006.

  Grouchoo,
  Exactly! Great Post!
  
  We NT fans didn't love 'Thirisoolam' just for it's mega success or claim thirisoolam is a great movie,Same way we love 'kappalottiya Thamizhan' though it was a great flop in box office.
  
  We are not fanatics to argue like all NT movies are great.
  
  But there is a point .Many NT movies with poor story,direction,technical stuff ,not worth to consider as a good movie ,but still NT made it watchable ,just because of his mannerisms and bits and pieces of unique style of acting.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 5:55:10 2006.

  joe wrote:

  but still NT made it watchable ,just because of his mannerisms and bits and pieces of unique style of acting.

  
  
  I have to agree with Joe here. I know, we keep agreeing with each other, but hey, we are NT fans.
  
  What we NT fans often neglect to mention is this: Great presence.
  
  Even in some of those crappy movies, we get to see a bit of those nuances that is very NT. A tiny moment of celebration that only NT can provide. A little gem in the rubbish bin, as a poet would say.
  
  Towards the late seventies (I think we discussed this before Nakkeera...as to why the late seventies was not good to NT quality wise, but its okay if we discuss again), NT suffered from bad script, poor direction, terribly undertalented co-stars and looking bad, very, very bad fashion statement.
  
  Okay, maybe the fashion statement did little to his talent (even some of the early seventies had bad fashion, but it did not diminish his talents), but the talents surrounding him certainly hampered his performance. No competition. You put those young girls opposite him and I bet he is, like, half minded to do his best.
  
  Plus, I think the directors do not wish for more takes...because by now NT is a legend and these directors would probably be worried about asking second takes or changing the performance.
  
  My number one blame will always go to the directors. And then, NTs own judgement on how much of his talent he should use.
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 7:46:33 2006.

  
  Groucho
  
  Nice post of yours !
  
  Here is my take on Mr. Murali Srinivas’s some posts on movies and his wordings and my counters on what could have been added
  
  AMARA KAVIYAM – 24.04.1981. ANOTHER REMAKE, THIS TIME FROM HINDI. MSV PRODUCED THIS MOVIE. WHEN MSV HAD ASKED FOR DATES (THIS WAS TO HELP MSV’S SON), NT AGREED. THOSE WERE THE DAYS WHEN REMAKES WERE RULING THE ROOST AND MUKAADAR KA SIKANDAR WAS REMADE. THIS AMITHAB – VINOD KHANNA STARRER WAS A SUPER DUPER HIT BUT IT DIDN’T TAKE OFF IN TAMIL. MADHAVI PAIRED WITH NT. MSV HAD TUNED IN SOME GOOD SONGS.
  
  Was there any mention about how NT performed ? Nothing great . that’s the reason.
  
  
  
  KAL THOON – 01.05.1981. THIS WAS A SUCCESSFUL STAGE DRAMA BY MAJOR. THIS WAS MADE INTO A FILM AND MAJOR HIMSELF DIRECTED THE MOVIE. HE SIMPLY TRANSPLANTED THE STORY FROM THE STAGE TO THE SCREEN. BUT NT AFTER A LONG TIME HAD A MEATY ROLE TO PLAY AND AGAIN A FATHER –SON CONFRONTATION (THOUGH NOT UP TO T.PATHAKKAM LEVELS) WAS WELL RECEIVED. IN SPITE OF HAVING TO COMPETE WITH AMARA KAVIYAM RELEASED JUST A WEEK PRIOR, WITH RAJINI/KB THILLU MULLU RELEASED ON THE SAME DAY AND WITH KAMAL’S RAJA PARVAI (RELEASED 3 WEEKS PRIOR), STILL KAL THOON WAS SUCCESSFUL AND COMPLETED 100 DAYS AND CLEARLY SHOWED SAGAPDHANGAL MUDIVATHILAI.
  
  The movie might have completed 100 days but I doubt this 100 day mark must have been in Shanti theatre but what I heard was that Major didn’t make much money. Besides,
  
  RA(K)THA PAASAM – 14.06.1980 – THE MOVIE WAS A HOME PRODUCTION (I.E.) PRODUCED BY SIVAJI PRODUCTIONS. LAUNCHED AFTER THE STUPENDOUS SUCCESS OF TIRUSOOLAM, THE MOVIE WAS DIRECTED BY K.VIJAYAN. THE MOVIE’S BACKDROP WAS LONDON AND SO SHOOTING WAS HELD IN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. DURING THE FINAL LEG OF THE SHOOTING, VIJAYAN FELL OUT WITH NT/ SIVAJI PRODUCTIONS. IT WAS RUMOURED THAT VIJAYAN HAD SAID THAT THE SUCCESS GRAPH CREATED BY NT MOVIES STARTING FROM DEEPAM (1977) WAS DUE TO HIM (VIJAYAN). SO THIS LED TO SEPARATION AND THE MOVIE WAS RELEASED WITHOUT THE DIRECTOR’S NAME. IN THE TITLES AFTER THE PRODUCERS’ NAME (HERE SHANTHI NARAYANASAMY & T.MANOHAR), INSTEAD OF DIRECTOR’S NAME, THREE STILLS OF NT WOULD APPEAR. BUT VIJAYAN OR NO VIJAYAN, THE MOVIE LACKED A GOOD SCREENPLAY. PROBABLY THE SUCCESS OF ANNAN ORU KOYIL AND TIRUSOOLAM (TWO HOME PRODUCTIONS) HAD MADE THEM COMPLACENT AND THE MOVIE ENDED UP AS AN AVERAGE GROSSER. MSV HAD COME UP WITH 2,3 NICE TUNES WHICH INCLUDED EN ULLAM ENGINDRA VAANATHILE (TMS, PS) AND AASAI THEERA PESA VENDUM UNNIDATHIL (SPB, VJ), POO MANAKKUM POONGUZHALI (SPB)
  
  
  There was no mention about NT’s acting and any controversy in cinema will never be kept secretively. Mr. Murali could have been more open in his writing about this Vijayan conflict.There must have been much more to this episode
  
  DHARMA RAJA – 26.04.1980: THE ONLY MOVIE OF NT DIRECTED BY MA THIRUMUGAM (WHO DIRECTED 16 MOVIES OF MGR) WAS PRODUCED BY CHINNA ANNAMALAI AND DEPICTED NT AS A KARATE (!) EXPONENT. SHOT IN JAPAN THERE WERE ONE OR TWO NICE DUETS AND THE MOVIE FAILED AT THE BO.
  
  This was one of those horrible movies of NT which made people ridicule his roles but look at the words above. There is no criticism but in a diplomatic way, it has been covered up
  
  YEMANUKKU YEMAN – 17.05.1980: THIS MOVIE A REMAKE OF TELUGU “YAMALOKA” WAS RELEASED DURING THE MIDDLE OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN. OUR PEOPLE COULD NOT ACCEPT THE STORY LINE LIKE THIS, WHICH WAS BETTER SUITED FOR TELUGU AUDIENCE. IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, IT HAD MUSIC BY SATYAM AND FEW NUMBERS BECAME HITS. OF COURSE MOVIE SANK AT THE BO.
  
  By no stretch of imagination, this will qualify to be a NT movie. If the storyline was not suited for tamil audience, NT could have avoided it. Again no sincere critism expressed
  
  NAAN VAAZHA VAIPEN – 10.08.1979. A FILM THAT MADE MEDIA DO OVERTIME. THE COMBO OF NT- RAJINI WHICH DIDN’T STRIKE A CHORD IN JUSTICE GOPINATH, THEIR FIRST VENTURE TOGETHER, THIS TIME HIT THE BULL’S EYE. THIS MOVIE A REMAKE OF HINDI MAJBOOR HAD NT PLAYING AMITHABH’S ROLE AND RAJINI PLAYING PRAN’S ROLE. KR VIJAYA PRODUCED THE FILM UNDER HER ASHOKA BANNER. THE MEDIA ALWAYS ON THE LOOKOUT FOR HOT NEWS TRIED TO GIVE AN IMPRESSION THAT BECAUSE OF RAJINI THE MOVIE BECAME HIT. WHAT THEY DIDN’T REALIZE WAS THE SCREENPLAY PROVIDED ANY ACTOR WORTH THE SALT TO SPARKLE AND RAJINI (OF COURSE TAKING NOTHING AWAY FROM HIM) SIMPLY DID WHAT PRAN DID IN THE ORIGINAL. ANOTHER POINT THEY FAILED TO REMEMBER WAS NT AT THAT POINT OF TIME WAS IN THE HIGHEST PLANE OF COMMERCIAL SUCCESS AFTER HIS TRISOOLAM AND RAJINI WAS IN THE MIDST OF HEALTH PROBLEMS THAT THREATENED HIS CAREER. IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT FOR NT TO CHANGE THE ROLE OR CURTAIL RAJINI’S SCENES. BUT THE EVER GENTLEMAN HE WAS AND ONE WHO WAS NEVER AFRAID OF COMPETITION WAS MAGNANIMOUS TO THE CORE AND HIS ROLE OF HELPING RAJINI WAS ACKNOWLEDGED BY RAJINI HIMSELF LATER. THIS 100 DAY MOVIE HAD MUSIC BY IR AND ALL THOSE SUPER HIT SONGS ARE KNOWN TO EVERYONE AND ARE STILL HEARD.
  
  The fact was that Rajini’s role was much acclaimed by critics and well appreciated also
  NT was not at his best in this movie and his role was not that great and its just a mediocre performance.
  
  PATTAKATHI BHAIRAVAN – 19.10.1979. (DEEPAVALI). A REMAKE FROM TELUGU GADA GADALU RUDHRAIYA, THIS FILM PRODUCED AND DIRECTED BY VB RAJENDRA PRASAD (WHO DID ETRAJA & UTHAMAN) HAD JAYASUDHA AS HEROINE AND ANOTHER PAIR WAS JAIGANESH AND SRIDEVI. IR WAS THE MUSIC DIRECTOR AND SONGS WERE GREAT. NT DID DUAL ROLES BUT A TYPICAL TELUGU MASALA STORYLINE WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED HERE.
  
  This movie is another one to be deleted from the list. The name itself is a reflection of how poor the movie was. I head that after this movie, NT was severely teased by public . Is there any comment about his performance ?
  
  
  VETRIKKU ORUVAN - 08.12.1979. THE SECOND MOVIE IN SPM- PANCHU- IR COMBINATION WITH NT AGAIN WAS NOT TO THE LIKING OF FANS AND PUBLIC AND ONLY THE ELECTION RESULTS THAT CAME IN FAVOUR OF CONGRESS A MONTH LATER HELPED IT TO SUSTAIN FOR A WHILE.
  
  Another aweful movie and clueless performance. Sripriya being his pair is another indigestible factor. Is there any criticism above ?
  
  GENERAL CHAKRAVARTHY – 16.06.1978. PRODUCED BY CHINNA ANNAMALAI, THIS FAMILY MOVIE WENT ON TO BECOME A HIT AND CROSSED 100 DAYS.
  
  Will it stand before Thanga padhakkam ? and is there any comment on this ?
  
  PILOT PREMNATH – 30.10.1978 (DEEPAVALI). THIS ACT DIRECTED INDO- LANKAN CO PRODUCTION WAS NOT ONLY HIT IN TN BUT WENT ON TO BECOME A BLOCKBUSTER IN SRI LANKA AND REWROTE MANY RECORDS THERE.
  
  
  Well, its another movie not worth mentioning except that it ran well. Do you see any glimpse of NT of the 60s ?
  
  THIRUSOOLAM :
  
  AT THAT TIME THEY HAD MORE PRESSING THINGS AND IT WAS NONE OTHER THAN THE PRESTIGIOUS HOME PRODUCTION NAMED TIRUSOOLAM THAT WAS GETTING RELEASED AS THE 200TH MOVIE OF NT. THE DATE WAS FIXED AS JAN 27TH AND WHEN THE FILM WENT FOR CENSOR, THE BOARD HEADED BY VEENAI.S.BALACHANDER OBJECTED AND ORDERED SOME CUTS. THOUGH IT CAUSED SOME HEARTBURN BETWEEN NT AND SB, THE MATTER WAS SORTED OUT AND THE MOVIE GOT RELEASED AS SCHEDULED. A MOVIE INSPIRED FROM KANNADA SANKAR-GURU WHERE DR.RAJKUMAR PLAYED DOUBLE ROLE (BOTH SONS), IN TAMIL NT TOOK THE MANTLE OF FATHER ROLE ALSO AND AS THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT WENT ON TO BECOME THE BIGGEST HIT OF TAMIL CINEMA AND SOME OF ITS BO RECORDS ARE YET TO BE BROKEN.
  
  Well, is there any remark about how NT performed . It speaks volumes about how many days the movie ran .
  
  
  My analysis is that BEING AN NT FAN DOESN’T MEAN THAT ONE SHOULD AVOID POSTING THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS.
  WAS THERE ANY STRONG CRITICISM ON WHY NT ACTED SUCH TYPE OF MOVIES WHICH ARE MEDIOCRE / WELL BELOW HIS STANDARDS ??
  
  MANY OF THE POSTS TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE MOVIES RAN 100 DAYS AND SO
  
  Even the worst of the movie LORRY DRIVER RAJAKANNU , he comments that it still ran for 100 days in Salem !
  
  Ultimately, I am seeing more and more of emotional posts which talk the greener side of NT only . Why this approach was not being followed when you draw a comparison with MGR movies ?
  
  And there are many posts about MGR’s movies which were commented in a negative manner by Mr. Murali Srinivas .I feel there is a distinctive bias here.
  
  Wonder why the same criterion cant be adopted for NT movies also ?
  
  ULTIMATELY, CALL A SPADE AS A SPADE
  
  
  
  

• From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 4 8:02:00 2006.

  NT'S movies in 80's are not only bad ...but also had a bad acting!
  
  normally i would feel the heroes get better and better when years passes...but NT who did greatly in his 60'movies really did some bad acting in later years...overo over acting...he could have stick to his old pattern and done a good job!...infact his first movie parasakthi had a great performance!...his very first movie!
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 8:14:23 2006.

  Something is not right here.
  
  What Murali-sar did was to report. He did not analyse.
  
  Its folks like me who does analysing. He did not criticise, because in those performance there was nothing to shout about.
  
  We sure like to call Spade as spade. There were no lies. In fact, hardcore NT fans like Murali-sar and mdm Saradha themselves had conflicting facts about some of the issues...and they settled it amicably of course.
  
  
  

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Ultimately, I am seeing more and more of emotional posts which talk the greener side of NT only . Why this approach was not being followed when you draw a comparison with MGR movies ?

  
  
  Listen. Each time when we were about to make comparison, someone comes in and says please don't compare. Lines were drawn. There were many angry hubbers. Even though we were analysing things without being bias. But it was not welcome. I have stopped posting views on MGRs thread simply because my honest remarks may not be welcomed.
  
  So, we stay away from comparing with MGR because there are some hubbers who are not comfortable with it.
  
  

  Nakeeran wrote:

  And there are many posts about MGR’s movies which were commented in a negative manner by Mr. Murali Srinivas .I feel there is a distinctive bias here. Wonder why the same criterion cant be adopted for NT movies also ? ULTIMATELY, CALL A SPADE AS A SPADE

  
  
  Wonder whend did Murali-sar wrote negatively of MGR movies? Can you identify those posts?
  
  I wrote at length on the reason for NTs weak performances in later films. I guess that did not satisfy you, Nakkeera. This thread is to celebrate NT and his talents. And celebrate we shall. He is no longer with us. and we want more and more fans and hubbers to join us in this thread (I know, I am still new) and celebrate this great talent.
  
  If you follow all the pages, you will come across mentions of NTs weak performances, but they are not dwellved upon. We try not to stay and analyse the weak part. We want to talk about the strength. We want youngsters, new fans, to learn about the greater side of NT's talent.
  
  I may go one step too far, if I were to suggest that even new actors and actresses should drop by in this thread and read about NT, his talent and those wonderful posting by Murali-sar on his politics...because THAT IS ONE ARENA WHICH NT FAILED, ULTIMATELY.
  
  You learn so much from this man. You want to know the secret of his success. I would very much like to know why, despite being mediocre and downright bad, some of those movies like Trisoolam made big money?
  
  So, in order to analyse that, we tend to seek out positive things that the audience loved. If we were to say, "Trisoolam made money because of NTs campy performance," well, Nakkeera, I would not be happy with that answer.
  
  I like to know what other elements made that half-baked movie a success? The songs? The 'special effects' (dreadful Irandu Kaigal sequence)? What?
  
  We like to call Spade as a Spade. Films like that made money. NT's performance range from mild to great. Never below that. Never. He never sleepwalked through his roles (I don't want to make comparisons here). There was always energy in his performance, right up to the time he did Padaiyappa (one Rajini film that I didn't like, especially after NTs scenes are over).
  
  I hope we are on track as far as our arguments are concerned. Lets not get emotional. This is one thread that has been getting good name for its quality. Let me know if I had veered off anywhere else in the argument. Thanks.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 8:42:55 2006.

  nilavupriyan wrote:

  okok grouch!

  
  
  Maaaan. Got too damned serious, didn't I. Too calm myself down, I think I'll watch Bale Pandiya tonight.
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Wed Oct 4 8:52:25 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Well Groucho Media coverage & NT lowprofile - I think NT was never seriously pursuing politics but his focus was on art ( movies ) only . And this is the clear diff. bet. NT and MGR . WHile MGR was equally focussed on politics as well and also spread political messages through movies, he attracted more attention. NT, if he had wanted could have also tried vigorously but the big crocodile party like Congress wouldnt have allowed him. Politics was never his cup of tea .

  
  Dear Nakeeran...
  
  This is the one I have mentioned in one of my earlier postings.
  
  From the very begining of his political career, MGR well planned to get a big post in politics and he arranged his songs and dialogues in such a way (we can say from Nadodi Mannan).
  
  But regarding NT, he never planned for any big post in politics, but only as a member of Congress party and will take interest mainly in election times.
  
  Thatswhy I mentioned, Politics ia just like a pickle for NT, whereas it is the main food for MGR.
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 8:58:46 2006.

  Groucho
  
  No offence meant
  
  My point here is that the manner in which other important characters who were inseperable part of NT's life ARE BEING MORE INFORMED, AT TIMES WITH MORE FORCE while anything negative of NT is burried underneath.
  
  To highlight this, I took some of the posts of Mr. Murali Srinivas who was giving an account of NT movies . I consider Mr. Murali in very esteem and also expect UNBIASED opinion about NT movies which are to be forgotten.
  What I could observe was that whenever he comes across such movies - say for ex: Lorry driver, or Dharmaraja, he skips by giving a subtle / diplomatic comment
  
  OTOH, MGR's movies ( Please read his initial posts covering MGR movies in NT's political innings ), are being analyzed threadbare with reasons as to why they did run well etc.
  The emphasis was more on MGR movies which ran well and he was giving specific reasons . For ex :
  
  

  Quote:

  ON THE DAY BEFORE THIS (I.E.) 14TH, MEENAVA NANBAN WAS RELEASED AND AGAIN CURIOSITY FACTOR (A FILM STARRING CM) PLAYED A GOOD PART IN MAKING THE FILM RUN

  
  
  
  Have you seen any such type of comments about NT movies ?
  
  

  Quote:

  WE CAN ALSO RECORD HERE THAT THE LAST MOVIE OF MGR (I.E.) MMSP HIT THE SCREENS ON 14.01.1978 AND IT FAILED TO MAKE THE CASH REGISTERS RING. IT RAN MAX 75 DAYS IN MADURAI

  .
  
  Again, the stress here is on highlighting that the movie had failed
  
  

  Quote:

  NAN EN PIRANDHEN - The fans could not digest their hero coming in as a Father of grown up children and without funds etc ( I am just typing a virtual reproduction here )

  
  
  He could have been more generous in appreciating that MGR really played well as an actor and proved that he can also do roles without fights .
  Instead, the impetus was on reasons for the movie to have failed
  
  You can see similar comments about Pallandu Vazga, which IMO, MGR did very well as an actor.
  
  You read his comments about Nalai namadhey - Have u seen a similar comment about a failed NT movie ?
  
  
  My question is , WAS THAT SIMILAR APPROACH USED FOR NT's crap movies also ?
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 9:09:45 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Nakeeran wrote: Thriusoolam which doesnt even deserve to cross 50days but it ran well due to sentimental factor that its his 200th movie ! Thirisoolam is not in my favourite list .But if you say it ran well due to sentimental factor that is his 200th movie ,you made a same side goal .If a movie can break records just because of the sentiment that it is NT's 200th movie ,it proves the power of NT and his range of fan following .isn't it? Btw, the same story was remade again in 80's ,2 sivaji instead of 3 and one prabhu ,'Santhippu' which also a super duper hit silver jublee movie .so what does it mean?

  
  
  Groucho,
  
  This is another classic example of another set of NT fan following .
  
  I have marked Joe Sir's post here to highlight.
  
  Well there some NT fans who even celebrate success of movies like Sandhippu . They will even glorify movies like Sangili etc.
  
  What I wonder is, when NT's focus on quality movies was fading, why the fan clubs and sincere fans didnt take it up with NT himself ??
  Definitely he would have given a second thought if they had spoken to him.
  
  Look at the kind of fan clubs of today. They even meet their favourite hero and discuss at length so that he stays focussed.
  Fan feedback also was not there I believe for NT.
  
  Else, he would have refrained from acting in such type of movies.
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 9:10:03 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Nakeeran wrote: Thriusoolam which doesnt even deserve to cross 50days but it ran well due to sentimental factor that its his 200th movie ! Thirisoolam is not in my favourite list .But if you say it ran well due to sentimental factor that is his 200th movie ,you made a same side goal .If a movie can break records just because of the sentiment that it is NT's 200th movie ,it proves the power of NT and his range of fan following .isn't it? Btw, the same story was remade again in 80's ,2 sivaji instead of 3 and one prabhu ,'Santhippu' which also a super duper hit silver jublee movie .so what does it mean?

  
  
  Groucho,
  
  This is another classic example of another set of NT fan following .
  
  I have marked Joe Sir's post here to highlight.
  
  Well there some NT fans who even celebrate success of movies like Sandhippu . They will even glorify movies like Sangili etc.
  
  What I wonder is, when NT's focus on quality movies was fading, why the fan clubs and sincere fans didnt take it up with NT himself ??
  Definitely he would have given a second thought if they had spoken to him.
  
  Look at the kind of fan clubs of today. They even meet their favourite hero and discuss at length so that he stays focussed.
  Fan feedback also was not there I believe for NT.
  
  Else, he would have refrained from acting in such type of movies.
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Wed Oct 4 9:38:44 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Groucho Nice post of yours ! Here is my take on Mr. Murali Srinivas’s some posts on movies and his wordings and my counters on what could have been added KAL THOON – 01.05.1981. THIS WAS A SUCCESSFUL STAGE DRAMA BY MAJOR. THIS WAS MADE INTO A FILM AND MAJOR HIMSELF DIRECTED THE MOVIE. HE SIMPLY TRANSPLANTED THE STORY FROM THE STAGE TO THE SCREEN. IN SPITE OF HAVING TO COMPETE WITH AMARA KAVIYAM RELEASED JUST A WEEK PRIOR, WITH RAJINI/KB THILLU MULLU RELEASED ON THE SAME DAY AND WITH KAMAL’S RAJA PARVAI (RELEASED 3 WEEKS PRIOR), STILL KAL THOON WAS SUCCESSFUL AND COMPLETED 100 DAYS AND CLEARLY SHOWED SAGAPDHANGAL MUDIVATHILAI. The movie might have completed 100 days but I doubt this 100 day mark must have been in Shanti theatre but what I heard was that Major didn’t make much money. Besides,

  
  
  Eventhough you very well know that, WE, NT fans never hesitate to criticise NT movies if they were in bad taste, WHAT IS THE NECESSITY FOR THIS COUNTER ARGUEMENT.
  
  For your kind information, Kalthoon was released in PLAZA theatre at mount road and not in Shanthi theatre (at that time Sathiya Sundaram was running in Shanti and "Amarakaviyam' was running in DEVI theatre. If you are a Chennaivasi you very well know that these three theatres are in successive location with just just 10 to 20 feet distances.
  
  I can CHALLENGE no any BIG...BIG....BIG actors have guts to release like this. There were some big actors who will release their next movie, after public forget the previous movie.
  
  As I already have experience here, I dont want to create another "Gurukshethram" in this thread.
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Wed Oct 4 10:24:17 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  [ Groucho, This is another classic example of another set of NT fan following . What I wonder is, when NT's focus on quality movies was fading, why the fan clubs and sincere fans didnt take it up with NT himself ?? Definitely he would have given a second thought if they had spoken to him.

  
  
  Brother Nakeeran should understand that, NT fans are not just fans who are shouting "Vaazga"... "Vaazga". They are the best critics of his films, and they have courage to tell the weaknesses of his films just face to face.
  
  In my experience, we directly asked him in a meet, "Why you should not avoid acting films like 'Anbe Aruyire'..?.
  
  NT replied: "ennamma. naan vEnuminnA nadikkirEn. Director A.C.Thirulogchader ennudaiya best friend. avar request panninathAlE avoid panna mudiyalai.. enna seyyiradhu".
  
  I dont know was there any big artists at that time, to whom we can criticise like this in front of their face. (Presently Kamal, Sathyaraj are like that).
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Oct 4 10:38:42 2006.

  Request to All NT fans,
  Pls don't discuss with people who has hidden agenda ,delibrately want to spoil this thread ,twisting your statements ,make you waste your time by seriously answering them.
  
  Please...please.
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 11:00:00 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Request to All NT fans, Pls don't discuss with people who has hidden agenda ,delibrately want to spoil this thread ,twisting your statements ,make you waste your time by seriously answering them. Please...please.

  
  
  Joe Sir,
  
  Since most of the posts today are mine , I presume you are targetting me only which is sad and unfortunate.
  
  All what I have highlighted are facts and wish to know more from Mr. Murali Srinivas and expect more neutral presentations.
  
  Well, You are also a Moderator here and U have the authority and power to condemn views of others which are not agreeable / digestable to you but its not fair at all
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 11:04:20 2006.

  Groucho asked for those posts which talk negative about MGR . Groucho also said that Shivaji fans have a neutral opinion and they even criticise crap movies of NT .
  
  Well, the ones below are a clear case of such :
  
  
  ABOUT SIVAKAMIYIN SELVAN
  

  Quote:

  The dawn of New Year 1974 saw the arrival of Sivakamiyin Selvan on Jan 26th. A remake of Aradhana, the most popular Hindi movie of that period, SS still was nice and the songs by MSV were simply superb. The movie, which had a great opening, faltered after 60-70 days mainly due to the negative word of mouth regarding some song sequences, which people felt were sexy. Considering that the director was CVR, it was to be expected, but still the scenes were not accepted

  
  
  Its an indigestible fact that the song sequence – Ethanai azagu kotti kidakuthu was horribly picturised and equally bad was NT’s expression here. Besides, a youthful Rajesh Khanna was more handsome and refreshing .
  
  ABOUT PALLANDU VAZGA
  

  Quote:

  Again this was a remake of Shantaram’s Do Ankein Baara Hath (about which you have given a lucid analysis in MGR’s thread) and as you know it was not cut out for a MGR film as it lacked the BO elements. Another point was miscasting. Thengai & VKR as hardcore criminals was hard to digest (Here again because of NIN, MGR refused to take Asokan in). TO MAKE UP FOR THIS, MGR WENT FOR GLAMOUR AND ALL THE THREE DUETS (POI VAA, INDRU SORGATHIN, ENNA SUGAM) HAD A HEAVY DOSE OF GLAMOUR

  
  
  And look at the comments here. Why such a similar comment was not made for a NT movie ?
  
  
  ABOUT IDAYA VEENAI
  

  Quote:

  . MGR launched his ADMK (later to change as AIADMK) on Oct 17th and some leaders from DMK like KAKrishnaswami, Nanjil Manoharan joined him. DMK unleashed violence on MGR’s supporters and they retaliated back. Within 3 days of his launching ADMK, MGR released his Idhya Veenai on Oct 20th. THE MOVIE NOT A GREAT ONE WAS CAUGHT IN A TRAP. BECAUSE OF THE LAW & ORDER SITUATION THE CROWDS WERE LESS AND SECONDLY FANS WERE MORE EAGER ON THE POLITICAL ARENA. THE EXPULSION AND SUBSEQUENT LAUNCHING OF THE NEW PARTY HELPED THE MOVIE TO SUSTAIN FOR 100 DAYS

  
  
  Interesting facts being presented with much care and dedication but such a similar interest is not shown in NT crap movies . This is a brazen attempt to show the good side of NT while indirectly ridiculing a legend MGR.
  
  
  ABOUT PP AND VASANTH MALIGAI
  Meanwhile NT’s dream run was continuing and in spite of the troubled times NT came to Madurai on 29th Oct for the 177th day celebrations of Pattikkada Pattanama and that Sunday witnessed overwhelming crowds in the Central Cinema, which was screening the movie. ANOTHER PROOF THAT NT’S FILMS WERE DOING EXCELLENT BUSINESS EVEN IN THAT TROUBLED TIMES was the continuous 100 Housefull shows in Madurai New Cinema that Vasantha Maaligai had completed on the previous day (i.e.) 28th Oct
  
  ABOUT PATTIKATTU PONNAIYA BOMBING AT BO :
  

  Quote:

  In June, July NT had 2 releases. Ponnoonjal was released on 15th June, but since it was in production for long and had a weak story line, it failed to hit it big. The songs were the high points and that helped the film to a certain extent. Engal Thanga Raja hit the screens on 14th July. Produced by Telugu Producer/Director VBRajendra Prasad this was a hit from day 1.It was in this movie that NT extensively used the name of PT & his photo and the fans/congress workers were delighted. In fact the song Kodiyil Oruvan Piranthu Vandhan in the film was very much used when PT passed away. The movie ran up to Deepavali. MGR’s USV was cruising, but his Pattikattu Ponniah (last MGR-JJ film) released on 31st August bombed at the BO

  
  
  Why this parallel needless comparison and ridiculing MGR that PP bombed at BO ?
  
  
  ABOUT NETRU INDRU NALAI
  

  Quote:

  The film was slated for release on 12th July 1974 and two days before, in Madurai, DMK people led by Pazhakadai Pandi (who later became the Madurai District Secretary of ADMK) climbed the wall of Chinthamani Talkies, where the movie was charted, after the night show and tore the screen. But the movie managed to get released on the release day itself and theatres all over TN had to put up additional police protection. THE DMK’S PANIC GAVE PUBLICITY TO THE MOVIE AND THIS HELPED TO STRETCH IT FOR 100 DAYS. LEFT TO ITSELF THE MOVIE WOULD HAVE HARDLY MADE AN IMPRESSION BECAUSE THE SONGS WERE THE ONLY SAVING GRACE

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  Why this comment about NEN. I don’t see any such similar comments about any crap NT movie which ran well. This is hurting.
  
  ABOUT MOVIES IN 1972
  
  

  Quote:

  as all these things were happening in, it was 1972 and nt’s glorious year in cinema was there in centre stage with all majesty. followed by babu in late 1971, 1972 opened with raja (100 days) then gnana oli (100 days) followed by pattikada pattanama (182 days) till may. ON THE OTHER SIDE MGR’S DISASTROUS RUN AT THE BO CONTINUED. IF NEERUM NERUPPUM & ORU THAI MAKKAL IN 1971 FAILED TO MAKE THE CASH REGISTERS RING, WORSE WAS TO FOLLOW WHEN THE FIRST 3 MOVIES IN 1972 NAMELY SANGAE MUZHANGU, NALLA NERAM & RAMAN THEDIA SEETHAI FAILED TO BRING CHEERS TO THE FANS. IN JUNE NAAN EN PIRAENTHEN WAS RELEASED AND AGAIN FANS WERE DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY SAW THEIR HERO BEING A FATHER OF A 10-YEAR-OLD SON IN THE VERY SECOND SCENE ITSELF. in july nt’s dharmam engae (inspired from an english movie) was released and it was the only movie of nt in 1972 that did not run for 100 days and could do only 50 days

  
  
  When such critical analysis had been made for a MGR movie, I wish a similar attempt could have been made on some failed NT movies also.
  
  To sum up, WHILE THE SINCERETY SHOWN ON HIGHLIGHTING THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF MGR IS MORE, THE SAME WAS NOT FOLLOWED FOR A FAILED NT MOVIE.
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Wed Oct 4 14:10:28 2006.

  nakeeran, i've been saying this for quite some time that there should not be any personal attack on MGR but the thread continued like that..
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Oct 4 20:34:06 2006.

  Nakeeran - Murali is not Nakkeeran to think like you. I find this notion of "Murali did not say this, Murali did not say that" totally absurd. If you have anything worthwhile to say, please do so. We certainly don't need someone to go over others' posts and evaluate what must have been running through thier minds when they made it!
  
  Please end all digressions now. If you have any complaints forward to the Mods.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 23:10:59 2006.

  Oh hell, Nakkeera. Honestly, the only guy who sees MGR being ridiculed is you.
  
  All those arguments seemed weak. We NT fans admire and appreciate Murali-sar's (and mdm Saradha's) input. I think we have learned a lot. We learned more than what the common media has been writing all these while.
  
  We benefited. We are much wiser now. I am proud to tell others that I am an NT fan and I can ask them to forget the preconception that only actor other than NTs (I won't even say that name from now on...it seems to irk sensitive fans) have enjoyed success. NT's films too have enjoyed greater success. It shows what that Tamil film fans are (were). They appreciate good and bad films. And NT has given both.
  
  What you want now, Nakkeera? For me to admit that I have lost this argument?
  
  Yeah. For the sake of us continuing this thread in a quality manner, instead of bickering on childishly...I would like to apologise if I had written anything to annoy you or to defame that certain actor/politician you admire so much.
  
  Sorry, Nakkeera. Let's put an end to this argument. Let's keep this threat to dedicated to NT. Let's move on.
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 0:06:00 2006.

  Sivaji: The failed politician
  
  The man who could do no wrong in delivering his lines, who could act out any role, came a cropper when it came to acting in real-life politics. Ironically, he lost out to the man who was considered an inferior actor, M G Ramachandran.
  It was a strange reversal of roles for Sivaji and MGR in politics. Sivaji was a rationalist early on. Dravidar Kazhagam founder E V Ramaswamy, more commonly known as Periyar, conferred on 'Sivaji' the title.
  
  However, Sivaji moved over to nationalism and theism later and became a member of the Congress, a supporter of Kamaraj in his last days.
  
  MGR, on the other hand, was early on in the Congress, but moved towards the Dravidian movement later. It is anybody's guess whether their success ratio would have remained the same if MGR had stayed on in the Congress and Sivaji with the Dravidian movement till the end.
  
  Did the Dravidian movement gain more from MGR or was it the other way round? It will always remain a debating point.
  
  Fact is, MGR's contribution was perhaps the most significant since in the run up to the Assembly polls, the DMK used to the hilt the shoot-out in which MGR received a bullet in his throat. Pictures of MGR with a bandage round his throat vastly improved the DMK's fortunes at the hustings, according to observers.
  
  If up to 1967, Sivaji was with the ruling party, from then on MGR had an upper hand, in the formation of the new DMK government, elevated to treasurer and later became Chief Minister on the basis of his Good Samaritan image.
  
  MGR projected himself as a man of the masses, taking up the issues of the lower strata of society, a carefully nurtured, some may say even well-acted out, image but politics is the art of public relations, any way.
  
  Sivaji as a politician did not set the Cooum on fire. He had no clear political agenda.
  
  His role as a politician was not apparent. He had no mission. Secondly, he was seen as opposing the front with which MGR was associated. The MGR fan clubs were also better organised.
  
  In the seventies, Sivaji was a supporter of the Congress and Kamaraj. After Indira Gandhi's death in 1984, Sivaji lost a major supporter in the Congress. The equations were not the same with Rajiv Gandhi.
  
  Sivaji, meantime, was also fed on the theories of his close supporters that the time was ripe for him to float a party of his own. See what MGR has done in Tamil Nadu. N T Rama Rao is another actor who has become the CM in AP. Rajkumar also has an active role in politics in Karnataka, they pointed out to him, and egged him on.
  
  After spending some time with the Janata Dal, he was the president of its state unit, he later joined V P Singh's Jan Morcha of which too he was the state unit president.
  
  He launched his own party, Tamizhaga Munnetra Munnani (TMM), with an eye on capturing power in the state in alliance with the AIADMK (Janaki Ramachandran group) which was opposed to Jayalalithaa's AIADMK.
  
  Sivaji himself contested the elections in 1989 but lost at Tiruvaiyaru. His party came a cropper. Though MGR was gone, Sivaji continued to face political defeats.
  
  Having spent considerable money on his new party, Sivaji gradually distanced himself from active politics, announced the closure of his party. That was the end of the road for Sivaji the politician.
  
  Another tragedy for the man who revelled in tragic roles.
  
  http://www.chennaionline.com/events/news/sivajipolitics.asp
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 0:22:27 2006.

  Quote:

  as all these things were happening in, it was 1972 and nt’s glorious year in cinema was there in centre stage with all majesty. followed by babu in late 1971, 1972 opened with raja (100 days) then gnana oli (100 days) followed by pattikada pattanama (182 days) till may. ON THE OTHER SIDE MGR’S DISASTROUS RUN AT THE BO CONTINUED. IF NEERUM NERUPPUM & ORU THAI MAKKAL IN 1971 FAILED TO MAKE THE CASH REGISTERS RING, WORSE WAS TO FOLLOW WHEN THE FIRST 3 MOVIES IN 1972 NAMELY SANGAE MUZHANGU, NALLA NERAM & RAMAN THEDIA SEETHAI FAILED TO BRING CHEERS TO THE FANS. IN JUNE NAAN EN PIRAENTHEN WAS RELEASED AND AGAIN FANS WERE DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY SAW THEIR HERO BEING A FATHER OF A 10-YEAR-OLD SON IN THE VERY SECOND SCENE ITSELF. in july nt’s dharmam engae (inspired from an english movie) was released and it was the only movie of nt in 1972 that did not run for 100 days and could do only 50 days

  
  
  I'm impressed that you have great memory. That was a plausible analysis of NT's best and MGR's worst. Could you please also write another analysis that makes comparisions between MGR's best and hit movies and NT's failed and flopped films. I know there're are more of this than vice-versa otherwise people will not blindly frame MGR as "Makkal Thilagam." Thanks in advance.
  
  

• From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 1:38:16 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  sankara1970 wrote: NT was a busy man till late seventies or mid of eighties. The newcomers to the industry never bothered him or affected his career. B'caz the industry revolved around him-Those who were trying to defeat him only looked his viswaroopam at each stage. Though at times his films failed at box office, the distributors made money in next films. He himself produced films to satisfy himself or help his close friends. He acted in three shifts continuously. When his mother was ill, fellow actresses visited her mother and indeed MGR visited. Such was NT's dedication and he saw to it that the producer was not affected. Also he and MGR started asking distribution rights for A centres. For NT his brothers managed his finances. Nakeeran, synonymous with the one who fought with Siva(ji) in Thiruvilaydal. By mid seventies, our god NT had already shown to the world what is acting. He didn't have to prove to the world his acting his skills or Box office successes. Do u mean he has to sit at home? He is such a dedicated artist that he acted and kept himself busy. He was busy even when his grand children (Kamal) came to act. Kamal, Rajini fame didn't affect NT. He was not ousted like Gemini or MGR who realised it is not possible to fight in cinema with great NT. That is why NT is Mudisooda Mannan of Tamil Cinema. Sankara You are saying this purely out of affinity on NT but the fact was that right from the mid 70s, the 2 younger generation stars Rajini and Kamal changed the course of tamil cinema. What also followed was Isainyani , Barathiraja, Bagyaraj, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra - all brought in fresh air to the tamil cinema. While I have been regularly going through all the posts in this thread, I am also parallelly checking with my elders who are peers to Mr. Murali and other seniors here. And what they all convey is that Rajini and Kamal were the strong force right from the mid 70s. Again, this is not to denounce NT in any way. He was already an upper middle aged man by that time. Apart from that he paired with stars like Sridevi, Sripriya , some Srilankan stars etc were not received in good taste by the Shivaji fans themselves . From late 70s, Shivaji was not a market leader . The movies which Mr. Murali Srinivas is highlighting from the late 70s are not really great ones but I am sure Mr. Murali is just giving an account to highlight the movies that he acted and how many days they ran. I am stunned by the account that Thirusoolam ran for record number of days and it exceeded in collection. A TRUE SHIVAJI FAN WILL NEVER SEE A MOVIE LIKE THIRUSOOLAM. Which had no elements of NT in that. IMO, if Mudhal mariyadhai had run for 300 days, its commendable but not Thriusoolam which doesnt even deserve to cross 50days but it ran well due to sentimental factor that its his 200th movie ! Clearly , the storyline was not that great , the role of Shivaji was not sound when compared what he got in the 60s ( the great Bhimsingh series and APN series ) IMO, the Shivaji era was over by the mid 70s itself . He was just appearing in some movies but seeing those movies , one can easily conclude that he was not at his best. Finally a Mudhal mariyadhai, Devar Magan only could redeem his class but that was again momentary You check with anyone who is at the age group of early 50s and they will confirm that Shivaji movies of the late 70s were ridiculed like anything . My earnest appeal here is YOU ARE ALL SHIVAJI FANS. TRUE. but please just dont try to glorify all his acts . Also be critical of his negative aspects. The late 70s was one such. I dont know , how many will jump on me now

  
  

• From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 2:02:14 2006.

  Is Nakeeran aged 30 or less or is he hired for maked these comments.
  
  When Anjal Petti 520 was released, NT received critism letters from fans. When Thirudan film was released(always new fans club will start whenever new film is released)-NT was careful thereafter with names of films
  
  There are many films NT acted where the other actor/actress had better role. But it is NT's character and humbleness that he underplayed his character. Nan Vaza Vaipen, Iruvar Ullam, and many.
  
  He made films and his films can divided into many types. For the nation, for affection, for devotion. for love, for comedy, for action, for friends, for helping others, for his own production, and so on. He is the one who balanced everything.
  
  He was involved in story discussions, songs selection right from earlier days. How many films succeed now (e.g Kamal) or any damn actor- who can make experiment? Sivaji did. He used different hair styles for every movie.
  
  He succeeded and he is in our heart.
  
  

• From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 2:07:18 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Request to All NT fans, Pls don't discuss with people who has hidden agenda ,delibrately want to spoil this thread ,twisting your statements ,make you waste your time by seriously answering them. Please...please.

  
  
  Thanks Joe, we need to educate some younger generation. They don't know history.
  
  We have facts as always mentioned by Mr Murali and Saratha Madam and others.
  
  All these statements, will help increase our love and affection towards our GOD NT.
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Thu Oct 5 5:33:54 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Request to All NT fans, Pls don't discuss with people who has hidden agenda ,delibrately want to spoil this thread ,twisting your statements ,make you waste your time by seriously answering them. Please...please.

  
  
  Dear Joe...
  
  Apart from those, who are making such posts, there are several other people who also reading these threads. So it is necessary for us to give answers and put counter arguments, to tell the facts for all.
  
  Dear Nakeeran...
  
  unga peyar Nakeeran enbatharkkaaga, kutram kandu pidiththE pEr vAnganumA?. Why you are expecting Mr. Murali to do all this things which you are thinking in your mind?. Why not you yourself do that type of camparisons, what you are expecting? (may be with the help of Mr. Vamsi).
  
  The main thing is, the comparisons must be neutral ( as you expected) and must contain facts same what Mr. Murali is doing and should not be bluffings (like "Pattikkattu Ponnaiya' is the great success and it broke all previous records...... etc).
  
  Awaiting for your sound start.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Oct 5 5:46:27 2006.

  I second this.
  
  Go for it, Nakkeera. I know you can do it. You da man.
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Thu Oct 5 6:26:58 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  sankara1970 wrote: NT was a busy man till late seventies or mid of eighties. The newcomers to the industry never bothered him or affected his career. Sankara You are saying this purely out of affinity on NT but the fact was that right from the mid 70s, the 2 younger generation stars Rajini and Kamal changed the course of tamil cinema. What also followed was Isainyani , Barathiraja, Bagyaraj, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra - all brought in fresh air to the tamil cinema.

  
  
  Dear Nakeeran....
  
  During the period of the so called genious only, NT gave several hits like Deepam (135 days), Thiyagam (Sulver Jubilee in Madurai, not in Shanthi), Andhaman Kaadhali (114 days in several centres in TN, in Chennai at Midland, not in Shanthi), THIRISOOLAM, which broke all the previous records, Sandhippu (Silver Jubilee in Madurai, not in Shanthi).
  
  I am not underestimate about the talents of the individulas you have mentioned. But howmany hits Mr. Mahendran gave?. Mullum Malarum, UthiripookkaL, Nenjaththai kiLLAthE... after that...?. How about his PoottAta PoottukkaL, Nandu etc..?. He faded very quickly.
  
  Reagrding Baghyaraj, he followed MGR formula, with dream songs, Jigina dress and also with his comics and preaching about sex etc. But he failed to understand that, MGR fornula will suit for MGR only. So he also faded gradually.
  
  About Bharathiraja, he gave five continous success (16 vayathinilE, KPRayil, Sivappu RojaakkaL, P VarppugaL, NM PookkaL), and his fails started with KallukkuL Eeram follwed by NizalgaL. After a hit of A Oyvathillai, again failures started from Tik..tik..tik, Kaadahl Oviyam, ValibamE vA vA... After several flops, Muthal MariyAthai gave him life. But you people never accept it as NT's success, but BR only.
  
  About Balu Mahendra, he gave some successes but he will give movies once-in-a bluemoon.
  
  I am little surprise what made you to compare a purely music director Ilaiyaraja, who did not act in any movie, with NT, who did not do music for even one movie. He should be compared with other MDs like MSV or ARR and not with NT.
  
  Regarding THIRISOOLAM, whether it is a quality movie or not, whether it is to the level of NT's talents and skill or not, BUT SUCCESS IS THE SUCCESS and nobody can hide it. Whether it is worthfull or not, but distributors' cash boxes were overflowed by currencies, and it ate all the previous collections, including a BIG MOVIE, which was shooted in east Asian countires that time.
  
  

• From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 7:53:07 2006.

  The reply by Saratha madam is apt and answers all critismns against NT.
  
  All cine lovers rever NT as not only actor but as a human being (Rajini mentioned in statue unveiling function)-he who carried the whole industry in his shoulders-The industry revolved around him-He brought fame to Tamil Cinema-
  
  He is the one who saw four generation and conquered all and time
  
  Avan Oru Sarithram
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 8:52:38 2006.

  NOV wrote:

  Nakeeran - Murali is not Nakkeeran to think like you. I find this notion of "Murali did not say this, Murali did not say that" totally absurd. If you have anything worthwhile to say, please do so. We certainly don't need someone to go over others' posts and evaluate what must have been running through thier minds when they made it! Please end all digressions now. If you have any complaints forward to the Mods.

  
  
  
  Mr. Nov,
  
  You have commented that I have been making digressions. Let me give you few examples of how many needless digressions –
  
  MOSTLY HAVE BEEN MADE BY SHIVAJI FOLLOWERS AND THEY WERE SHOT AT MGR NEEDLESSLY EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
  
  Link 1 : About Saradha Mam highlighting about Navaratnam
  
  And what follows was Mr. Joe ( A MODERATOR ) giving his comments – ULLAM ENBADU AAMAI ….. ADHIL UNMAI ENBADHU OOMAI…. ETC ETC. NENJIL THOONGI KIDAPADHU MEETHI
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1470
  
  Are you vouching for this digression . Both are giving an impression indirectly attacking MGR for the reason for APN’s death. By remaining silent, you have vouched for this.
  
  And my posts to respond to them were deleted with a warning ! while their posts still are alive untouched.
  
  Link 2 : Saradha Mam mentioning about Ayirathil oruvan and comments about MGR asking Banthulu to edit some scenes
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1425
  
  Is there any need for dragging MGR’s name in a Shivaji thread ? In your opinion, its not a digression it seems ! good.
  
  
  Link 3 : Mr. Murali Srinivas commenting about a MGR song in Sange muzangu . He has quoted MGR fans ridiculing Shivaji through this song
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1410
  
  Is it not a digression in your school of Editing ? If not, great. Is there any need to mention about this song in Shivaji thread ?
  
  
  Link 4 : Mr. Murali Srinivas giving a note about that incident wherein Shivaji was attacked and MGR’s comments . This was followed by Saradha Mam’s scathy comments
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1395
  
  Is there any need to highlight this incident . I suspect a malicious motive behind this to defame MGR. Well, like, this there may be many comments that Shivaji would have passed on other politicians . Was it highlighted. Do you still vouch for this post ?
  
  
  Mr.Joe Sir once commented about a book that he was going through about Chandrababu and some controversy with MGR. He mentioned that there are some shocking info inside.
  
  Is this comment necessary in a Shivaji thread ?
  
  
  When I responded to scathy remarks by Mr. Murali and Saradha on that NT attacked incident, you deleted my post with a warning . You coolly let off Mr. Joe’s remarks about me that I am a Naradha Nakee !
  
  
  Well Mr. Nov, you are another Shivaji fan . Can I expect anything neutral and unbiased from you ? Impossible .
  
  And you are asking me to end my digression.
  
  MOST OF MY POSTS ARE RESPONSES TO NEEDLESS DIGRESSION BY SHIVAJI FANS WHO CHIDE MGR AND DRAG HIS NAME DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
  
  Pls. continue with your practice of allowing abuse on MGR in NT thread and honour it as part of NT thread. Hats off .
  
  
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 8:54:53 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  I second this. Go for it, Nakkeera. I know you can do it. You da man.

  
  
  Hi Groucho
  
  My posts were to address the negative comments needlessly passed about MGR in Shivaji thread.
  
  I will not stoop down to such unimaginable levels of some of the Shivaji fans here. I am not for such cheap fights.
  
  But I have many more in my armoury to unleash
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 9:09:37 2006.

  sankara1970 wrote:

  Is Nakeeran aged 30 or less or is he hired for maked these comments. When Anjal Petti 520 was released, NT received critism letters from fans. When Thirudan film was released(always new fans club will start whenever new film is released)-NT was careful thereafter with names of films There are many films NT acted where the other actor/actress had better role. But it is NT's character and humbleness that he underplayed his character. Nan Vaza Vaipen, Iruvar Ullam, and many. He made films and his films can divided into many types. For the nation, for affection, for devotion. for love, for comedy, for action, for friends, for helping others, for his own production, and so on. He is the one who balanced everything. He was involved in story discussions, songs selection right from earlier days. How many films succeed now (e.g Kamal) or any damn actor- who can make experiment? Sivaji did. He used different hair styles for every movie. He succeeded and he is in our heart.

  
  
  Age is not that matters Mr. Shankara
  
  You are not aware of Adhi Shankara whose name you are carrying may be ? He died at a very young age but how much knowledge he imparted , the world knows
  
  and take anothe example of Nyana sambandhar . He he
  No need to mention anything about him
  
  Well, you have mentioned above that NT was involved in story discussions .
  
  He he, then how come he chose- Lorry driver rajakannu , Karathe veeran dharmaraja , Pattakathi bhairavan ?
  
  So he was convinced with some awesome storyline or what ?
  
  Enough of this needless arguments . I am sick of this.
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Thu Oct 5 10:14:31 2006.

  Dear Nakeeran......
  
  You gave somany links, about what we, Shivaji fans mentioned about MGR.
  
  But I want to remember you, after a a great fight was done before, in another 'Shivaji Digression' thread (which is locked now) by NT fans like Murali, Groucho, Sankara, Joe, me and Karthik with you, Thirumaran, Nilavupriyan etc... the problem was brought to the end by locking that thread.
  
  After that we self promissed not to mention about the "three lettered" star in any of our posts, and maintaining the promiss.
  
  But now you are again digging the previous matters and making it as a big issue.
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 10:24:45 2006.

  saradhaa_sn wrote:

  Dear Nakeeran...... You gave somany links, about what we, Shivaji fans mentioned about MGR. But I want to remember you, after a a great fight was done before, in another 'Shivaji Digression' thread (which is locked now) by NT fans like Murali, Groucho, Sankara, Joe, me and Karthik with you, Thirumaran, Nilavupriyan etc... the problem was brought to the end by locking that thread. After that we self promissed not to mention about the "three lettered" star in any of our posts, and maintaining the promiss. But now you are again digging the previous matters and making it as a big issue.

  
  
  Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran.
  
  Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam,
  Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Thu Oct 5 10:36:31 2006.

  nilavupriyan wrote:

  NT'S movies in 80's are not only bad ...but also had a bad acting!

  
  
  First of all U need a good story to portray a good acting.
  Some days back i saw "Mudhal Mariyaadhai". There is no need to explain about his acting, i think so
  
  Being a kamal fan u know that, Devar magam won't be that much gr8 with out sivaji.
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 10:37:06 2006.

  saradhaa_sn wrote:

  Dear Nakeeran...... You gave somany links, about what we, Shivaji fans mentioned about MGR. But I want to remember you, after a a great fight was done before, in another 'Shivaji Digression' thread (which is locked now) by NT fans like Murali, Groucho, Sankara, Joe, me and Karthik with you, Thirumaran, Nilavupriyan etc... the problem was brought to the end by locking that thread. After that we self promissed not to mention about the "three lettered" star in any of our posts, and maintaining the promiss. But now you are again digging the previous matters and making it as a big issue.

  
  
  Saradha Mam
  
  I am not here for fist fights and kathi channdai between 2 fan groups.
  
  It all started when Groucho asked me to give those posts of Mr. Murali Srinivas which had a jibe at MGR .
  I promptly gave those links of Mr. Murali directly or indirectly mentioning about MGR in Shivaji thread NEEDLESSLY .
  and ur needless comments TO SHOW YOUR INDEPTH KNOWLEDGE on UNDESIRABLE NEWS ITEMS like MGR asked Banthulu to edit scenes, APN died because of Navrathinam ( WONDER HOW ONE GUY CAN DIE AFTER LOSING OUT IN A MOVIE, APN WAS A VETERAN CINEMA MAN . MUST HAVE MADE LOTS OF MONEY EARLIER )
  
  If you guys had refrained from such unwanted posts of MGR in Shivaji thread, things would have been more saner .
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 10:44:33 2006.

  joe wrote:

  saradhaa_sn wrote: Dear Nakeeran...... You gave somany links, about what we, Shivaji fans mentioned about MGR. But I want to remember you, after a a great fight was done before, in another 'Shivaji Digression' thread (which is locked now) by NT fans like Murali, Groucho, Sankara, Joe, me and Karthik with you, Thirumaran, Nilavupriyan etc... the problem was brought to the end by locking that thread. After that we self promissed not to mention about the "three lettered" star in any of our posts, and maintaining the promiss. But now you are again digging the previous matters and making it as a big issue. Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran. Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam, Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu

  
  
  Ok Joe Sir
  
  Well, you guys have successfully DELETED the responses of some MGR fans in NT thread when you all chided MGR about that election incident
  
  Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:52 am Post subject:
  
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  NOV wrote:
  Nakeeran - Murali is not Nakkeeran to think like you. I find this notion of "Murali did not say this, Murali did not say that" totally absurd. If you have anything worthwhile to say, please do so. We certainly don't need someone to go over others' posts and evaluate what must have been running through thier minds when they made it!
  
  Please end all digressions now. If you have any complaints forward to the Mods.
  
  
  
  Mr. Nov,
  
  You have commented that I have been making digressions. Let me give you few examples of how many needless digressions –
  
  MOSTLY HAVE BEEN MADE BY SHIVAJI FOLLOWERS AND THEY WERE SHOT AT MGR NEEDLESSLY EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
  
  Link 1 : About Saradha Mam highlighting about Navaratnam
  
  And what follows was Mr. Joe ( A MODERATOR ) giving his comments – ULLAM ENBADU AAMAI ….. ADHIL UNMAI ENBADHU OOMAI…. ETC ETC. NENJIL THOONGI KIDAPADHU MEETHI
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1470
  
  Are you vouching for this digression . Both are giving an impression indirectly attacking MGR for the reason for APN’s death. By remaining silent, you have vouched for this.
  
  And my posts to respond to them were deleted with a warning ! while their posts still are alive untouched.
  
  Link 2 : Saradha Mam mentioning about Ayirathil oruvan and comments about MGR asking Banthulu to edit some scenes
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1425
  
  Is there any need for dragging MGR’s name in a Shivaji thread ? In your opinion, its not a digression it seems ! good.
  
  
  Link 3 : Mr. Murali Srinivas commenting about a MGR song in Sange muzangu . He has quoted MGR fans ridiculing Shivaji through this song
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1410
  
  Is it not a digression in your school of Editing ? If not, great. Is there any need to mention about this song in Shivaji thread ?
  
  
  Link 4 : Mr. Murali Srinivas giving a note about that incident wherein Shivaji was attacked and MGR’s comments . This was followed by Saradha Mam’s scathy comments
  
  For your comfortable easy viewing, I am giving the link once again :
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2132&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1395
  
  NOW , HAVING DELETED OUR POSTS, MINE , THIRUMARAN ,
  
  CAN U NOW GRACEFULLY DELETE THE OFFENDING POSTS OF MR. MURALI SRINIVAS AND SARADHA
  
  I bet you will not .
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 10:45:23 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran. Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam, Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu

  
  
  Digression thread so we can now talk about this.
  
  What do you mean by wasting time? How rude that is. He has valid points for which you all have no answers. So all of a sudden, you call others ignorant, -30 aged and blah blah. Plz try to live upto the hype you create by saying NT fans are sensible and other blahs.
  
  Can't a person aged twenties be more knowledgeable than a person in his 40s?
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Oct 5 11:08:41 2006.

  I am a strong recommender of joe's thoughts here based on my previous encounters with nakkeee
  

  joe wrote:

  saradhaa_sn wrote: Dear Nakeeran...... You gave somany links, about what we, Shivaji fans mentioned about MGR. But I want to remember you, after a a great fight was done before, in another 'Shivaji Digression' thread (which is locked now) by NT fans like Murali, Groucho, Sankara, Joe, me and Karthik with you, Thirumaran, Nilavupriyan etc... the problem was brought to the end by locking that thread. After that we self promissed not to mention about the "three lettered" star in any of our posts, and maintaining the promiss. But now you are again digging the previous matters and making it as a big issue. Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran. Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam, Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu

  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:09:21 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  joe wrote: Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran. Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam, Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu Digression thread so we can now talk about this. What do you mean by wasting time? How rude that is. He has valid points for which you all have no answers. So all of a sudden, you call others ignorant, -30 aged and blah blah. Plz try to live upto the hype you create by saying NT fans are sensible and other blahs. Can't a person aged twenties be more knowledgeable than a person in his 40s?

  
  
  What do you guys want from us ?
  
  Nobody talked about your SAINT after you guys made a huge cry previously ..This nakeeran has some selective amnesia or what ? suddently digging everything again and asking the same question and spoil NT thread ..Do you guys put a schedule to spoil NT thread for every fixed intervel of time ?
  
  
  Now what do you want man ? Accepted nakeeran has more knowledge than Murali .is it enough for you ? Will you leave us peacefully ,we will talk about NT only ,not a single word about YOUR SAINT.
  
  All right
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 11:19:05 2006.

  joe wrote:

  What do you guys want from us ? Nobody talked about your SAINT after you guys made a huge cry previously ..This nakeeran has some selective amnesia or what ? suddently digging everything again and asking the same question and spoil NT thread ..Do you guys put a schedule to spoil NT thread for every fixed intervel of time ? Now what do you want man ? Accepted nakeeran has more knowledge than Murali .is it enough for you ? Will you leave us peacefully ,we will talk about NT only ,not a single word about YOUR SAINT. All right

  
  
  I'm more than 1000 days younger than you but see, I'm still cool, relaxed and conscious.
  
  I want NEUTRALITY. I don't want anybody to attack other good artists. I don't cry for artists. Let me remind you a time when you were crying in NT thread that people forgot NT and have no respect for him and bay thambi had to pat on your shoulder.
  
  I have no agenda. My agenda is your agenda. If you could tell us when you all will directly or indirectly attack MGR, I will be here.
  
  I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism. Why do all NT fans feel insecure when it comes to MGR?
  
  Not now. When you're cool and relaxed, you may reply. .
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:29:08 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  joe wrote: What do you guys want from us ? Nobody talked about your SAINT after you guys made a huge cry previously ..This nakeeran has some selective amnesia or what ? suddently digging everything again and asking the same question and spoil NT thread ..Do you guys put a schedule to spoil NT thread for every fixed intervel of time ? Now what do you want man ? Accepted nakeeran has more knowledge than Murali .is it enough for you ? Will you leave us peacefully ,we will talk about NT only ,not a single word about YOUR SAINT. All right I'm more than 1000 days younger than you but see, I'm still cool, relaxed and conscious. I want NEUTRALITY. I don't want anybody to attack other good artists. I don't cry for artists. Let me remind you a time when you were crying in NT thread that people forgot NT and have no respect for him and bay thambi had to pat on your shoulder. I have no agenda. My agenda is your agenda. If you could tell us when you all will directly or indirectly attack MGR, I will be here. I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism. Why do all NT fans feel insecure when it comes to MGR? Not now. When you're cool and relaxed, you may reply. .

  
  
  Anna..unga imsai thaanga mudiyalla..
  
  //I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism.//
  
  Go to MGR thread and check who made more posts glorifying MGR ? You or me ?
  
  You guys only can't tolerate NT thread is going strong with lots of NT fans contributing .So You and Nakeeran wanted to spoil and bring bad reputation to NT thread ..Plain and simple.
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 11:37:53 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Anna..unga imsai thaanga mudiyalla.. //I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism.// Go to MGR thread and check who made more posts glorifying MGR ? You or me ? You guys only can't tolerate NT thread is going strong with lots of NT fans contributing .So You and Nakeeran wanted to spoil and bring bad reputation to NT thread ..Plain and simple.

  
  
  JOE anna JOKE adikka vEndaam please
  
  I did not glorify MGR but he deserves to be.
  
  I can't tolerate NT thread going strong and creating a guinness record .
  Eventough, MGR had more fans than NT they could not do such a good deed in the hub.
  
  

  Quote:

  You guys only can't tolerate NT thread is going strong with lots of NT fans contributing .So You and Nakeeran wanted to spoil and bring bad reputation to NT thread ..Plain and simple.

  
  Were't you being sarcastic here?
  
  It's only YOU who want to assassinate the good image and reputation of MGR. I've done nothing to ruin NT's reputation, whether he has any is a different material.
  
  

• From: Nerd on Thu Oct 5 11:40:46 2006.

  Quote:

  I want NEUTRALITY. I don't want anybody to attack other good artists. I don't cry for artists.

  
  
  Sorry to interrupt, but couldnt refrain from posting.
  
  Boy, how many times have u done that and u talking about neutrality Remember your ajith/vijay clashes... or even sometimes RK/KH clashes..
  
  Now dont jump on me, am no saint either but I m not talking like YOU!!
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 11:44:04 2006.

  Nerd wrote:

  Sorry to interrupt, but couldnt refrain from posting. Boy, how many times have u done that and u talking about neutrality Remember your ajith/vijay clashes... or even sometimes RK/KH clashes.. Now dont jump on me, am no saint either but I m not talking like YOU!!

  
  
  Nobody is unbiased here. yes I'm biased, you're biased and is everybody.
  
  Neutrality-from MODS only. How can a mod delete a post which he does not like?. They leave the message that ridicule MGR and not the ones that are against NT.
  
  If I want neutrality from everybody, I must reply to everypost in the hub
  
  
  
  GTG.. will check later
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 11:47:48 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  Nerd wrote: Sorry to interrupt, but couldnt refrain from posting. Boy, how many times have u done that and u talking about neutrality Remember your ajith/vijay clashes... or even sometimes RK/KH clashes.. Now dont jump on me, am no saint either but I m not talking like YOU!! Nobody is unbiased here. yes I'm biased, you're biased and is everybody. Neutrality-from MODS only. How can a mod delete a post which he does not like?. They leave the message that ridicule MGR and not the ones that are against NT. If I want neutrality from everybody, I must reply to everypost in the hub GTG.. will check later

  
  
  Imsai Maaps and Nerd
  
  Honestly, I wish this happens in NT thread atleast.
  
  The moderators have promptly deleted my posts and Thirumaran's which strongly condmned needless criticism of MGR in a NT thread .
  while they have still retained those chiding posts of Saradha Mam and Murali Srinivas.
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:48:02 2006.

  Imsai Anna,
  Joke adikkurena ? neenga kuttikaraname adikkureenga
  
  Meedum meedum imsai pannama puthusa ethaavathu soolunga.
  
  keeral vizuntha record maathiri eththanai thadava sonnathaiye sollittu irupeenga
  
  

• From: villan007 on Thu Oct 5 11:50:43 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  The moderators have promptly deleted my posts and Thirumaran's which strongly condmned needless criticism of MGR in a NT thread . while they have still retained those chiding posts of Saradha Mam and Murali Srinivas.

  
  
  vaazhga jananaayagam
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 11:51:40 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Imsai Anna, Joke adikkurena ? neenga kuttikaraname adikkureenga Meedum meedum imsai pannama puthusa ethaavathu soolunga. keeral vizuntha record maathiri eththanai thadava sonnathaiye sollittu irupeenga

  
  
  Joe,
  
  I wish you DEFINE your position in TFM please. Are you a moderator or a Dfer ?
  
  Because, I saw you many times ridiculing me by calling NARADHAR NAKEE etc which A MODERATOR will not do such ?
  
  And Having called me once , you also deleted that post quickly ?
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:56:52 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  Neutrality-from MODS only. How can a mod delete a post which he does not like?.

  
  
  Meendum unga imsai thaangala !
  
  I know you guys will blame me .that is why I never moderated even a single word so far in NT thread .
  
  Moreover ,I can have my own arguements as a hubber ,not MOD ..If you have any problem ,report to other MODS.
  
  For me,Being a NT fan is more important than being a MOD
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:04:42 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Because, I saw you many times ridiculing me by calling NARADHAR NAKEE etc which A MODERATOR will not do such ?

  
  
  Yes ,I called you 'Narathar' once ,I still beleive You are a narathar by making kalagam whereever you go in this hub.
  
  what is this 'Nakee' ?
  
  Prove me where did I call you like this ?
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 12:06:40 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Yes ,I called you 'Narathar' once ,I still beleive You are a narathar by making kalagam whereever you go in this hub.

  
  
  This was unexpected from a MOD. By the way, If I call you a JOKE, what are the consequences?
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 12:10:22 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Imsai Anna, Joke adikkurena ? neenga kuttikaraname adikkureenga Meedum meedum imsai pannama puthusa ethaavathu soolunga. keeral vizuntha record maathiri eththanai thadava sonnathaiye sollittu irupeenga

  
  
  neengalum konjam puthusa try pannungo
  
  eppo paarthaalum, nadigar thilagam..everest, he's in our heart.. ignorance is bliss
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:12:31 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  By the way, If I call you a JOKE, what are the consequences?

  
  
  GOD Bless You
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:18:23 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  eppo paarthaalum, nadigar thilagam..everest, he's in our heart.. ignorance is bliss

  
  
  so what ? Unakku engapa kudaiyuthu ? why do you bother If I say Nadigar Thilagam ,everest ,he is in our heart ?
  
  Do you have any problem ? Ennada ithu periya imsai-ya pochu?
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 12:19:20 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Nakeeran wrote: Because, I saw you many times ridiculing me by calling NARADHAR NAKEE etc which A MODERATOR will not do such ? Yes ,I called you 'Narathar' once ,I still beleive You are a narathar by making kalagam whereever you go in this hub. what is this 'Nakee' ? Prove me where did I call you like this ?

  
  
  Joe Sir,
  
  Digression :
  
  I wish AS A MODERATOR, YOU MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM in coining words AS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SET AN EXAMPLE to youngsters like us .
  
  Please dont mistake me. Though I am in no way upset by your sly remarks that I am a NARADHA because all Naradhar kalagam can only end with NANMAI .
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Oct 5 12:27:42 2006.

  
  

  joe wrote:

  . Moreover ,I can have my own arguements as a hubber ,not MOD ..If you have any problem ,report to other MODS. For me,Being a NT fan is more important than being a MOD

  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:28:03 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  I wish AS A MODERATOR, YOU MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM in coining words AS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SET AN EXAMPLE to youngsters like us .

  
  
  Nakeeran sir,
  Pothum sir unga nalla pillai vesham ,Neenga enna example follow pannuveengannu enakku theriyum
  
  

  Quote:

  no way upset by your sly remarks that I am a NARADHA because all Naradhar kalagam can only end with NANMAI .

  
  
  You only said"I saw you many times ridiculing me by calling NARADHAR" ,now you say no way upset ..If nadarathar kalagam nanmaiyil mudiyumentral ,then why did you blame me I ridiculed you .Why didn't you take as I praised you
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Thu Oct 5 15:36:38 2006.

  i find everyone targetting nakkeeran which is wrong.
  
  He raised a point saying why unnecessarily pulling MGR in this thread ..when we discuss about shivaji. There are 100 aspects of shivaji which we can focus and discuss rather than explaining why a obscure movie failed etc.
  
  This is my humble opinion and as some body said AGE doesnt matter.. I'm not old enough but from my childhood i was interested in old films and songs and i have kept track of most of them ..
  
  So AGE doesnt have to do with history or stuff like that and everyone knew about MGR- shivaji rival in the movies but in the real life they were brothers ..
  
  so let us also take it in a professional way ..
  
  Whatever nakkeeran raised here is not evaluation but a request..
  
  I dont know the reason behind a group formation against nakkeeran
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 5 21:18:55 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  Whatever nakkeeran raised here is not evaluation but a request..

  
  
  It is request or protest ,it was made few weeks ago by some hubbers and it was accepted and same kind of diggression thread was created before .After that we NT fans never compare MGR with NT and we have been discussing only on NT .But suddently Nakeeran came and raised the same old issue and digging the same old posts.
  
  This clearly shows he had a hidden agenda to spoil the NT thread.Funny ,he even instructed How murali should express his views .Once they blamed we brought MGR unnessarly .Whether accepted or not ,we stoped bringing MGR .Now he has no reason to spoil NT thread ,so He now blame Murali that his critisism on NT movies not as much as he expected .
  
  He acts like a innocent ,but surely we can see his bad intension here.
  
  Eththanai kaalam thaan yemaatruvar intha naatile!
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Oct 6 2:35:31 2006.

  joe wrote:

  After that we NT fans never compare MGR with NT and we have been discussing only on NT .But suddently Nakeeran came and raised the same old issue and digging the same old posts. This clearly shows he had a hidden agenda to spoil the NT thread.Funny ,he even instructed How murali should express his views .Once they blamed we brought MGR unnessarly .Whether accepted or not ,we stoped bringing MGR .Now he has no reason to spoil NT thread

  
  
  Ennappa idhu? Namma fofumhub la Rajini Kamal fight-u thaan periya fight-a irrukkumnu ninachen ippo MGR Sivaji sandaiyum periya sandaiya valaruthaa... valarathum... valarathum... narayana narayana.... hehehe
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Fri Oct 6 2:41:33 2006.

  Rajini-Kamal fight is very limited here and even if it comes lasts for 5 hours...Ajith - vijay fights are maximised and can be bad for your health if your weak hearted like me.
  
  Guys lets forget what nakeeran said..maybe or maybe not he might have digged up the old posts but we will only aggrievate ourselves if we respond to them. Lets move on with what needs to be discussed.
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 3:21:54 2006.

  joe wrote:

  rajeshkrv wrote: Whatever nakkeeran raised here is not evaluation but a request.. It is request or protest ,it was made few weeks ago by some hubbers and it was accepted and same kind of diggression thread was created before .After that we NT fans never compare MGR with NT and we have been discussing only on NT .But suddently Nakeeran came and raised the same old issue and digging the same old posts. This clearly shows he had a hidden agenda to spoil the NT thread.Funny ,he even instructed How murali should express his views .Once they blamed we brought MGR unnessarly .Whether accepted or not ,we stoped bringing MGR .Now he has no reason to spoil NT thread ,so He now blame Murali that his critisism on NT movies not as much as he expected . He acts like a innocent ,but surely we can see his bad intension here. Eththanai kaalam thaan yemaatruvar intha naatile!

  
  
  Joe Sir
  
  You have ignored or pretend to ignore the query post of Groucho which asked me to give those links of Mr. Murali Srinivas which had a jibe at MGR ?
  Do you want to see that post of Groucho asking me ?
  
  I had to respond to his query to bring to light some instances ( there are much more ) where Mr. Murali needlessly mentioned about MGR and his movies in a Shivaji thread.
  
  Muzu poosanikaya sothula maraika paakadheenga Joe.
  
  Ok. Have you seen majority of my posts ? They rarely criticise about Shivaji but only request / plead you all to SHUN from chiding MGR directly or indirectly.
  
  See even the recent post of Mr. Murali mentions about the incident wherein MGR didnt attend the wedding ceremony of Shivaji's sons.
  IDHENNA ORU ULAGA MAGA VISHAYAMA ? to specifically point out.
  
  He could have avoided such needless jibes at MGR.
  
  Mr. Murali is covering a series of political events in a Shivaj thread . Ok. Is there any significant mention about Shivaji's active participation ? Never because that reflects his lack of political interest . Instead Mr. Murali focuses more on taking a dig at MGR, Mukaa and others .
  
  All these are really needed there ?
  
  IF SHIVAJI's ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN A POLITICAL ARENA STARTS AFTER MGR's DEATH, I WISH MR. MURALI STARTS FROM THERE instead of highlighting whether MGR attended Shivaji's sons wedding Muhurat or their reception.
  
  All such words only irritate MGR fans .
  
  Well, we dont wish to hear anything positive about MGR in shivaji thread but HATE SEEING A RIDICULING POST OF MGR IN A SHIVAJI THREAD.
  
  Have you seen any post in MGR thread ridiculing Shivaji ? This reflects the friendly approach of MGR fans
  
  Atleast now you are clear hopefully.
  
  I hate to venture into needless controversies between MGR and Shivaji though I have tons of info. to debate about Shivaji movies from the mid 70s.
  
  Bye
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Fri Oct 6 3:26:57 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  I want NEUTRALITY. I don't want anybody to attack other good artists. I don't cry for artists. I have no agenda. My agenda is your agenda. If you could tell us when you all will directly or indirectly attack MGR, I will be here. I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism. Why do all NT fans feel insecure when it comes to MGR? Not now. When you're cool and relaxed, you may reply. .

  
  
  Dear Mr.Imsai & Mr.Nakeeran......
  
  As I have already told before, there was a fight before in NT's thread, for dragging the name of "..............", and those posts have been thrown to a new thread by name "DIGRESSIONS - SHIVAJI THREAD" (previous) and it was discussed very hotly, and finally brought to the end, after the request of Mr.Karthik, to the moderators.
  
  After that, we keep our postings in NT thread, without dragging the name of ".............." and not even mentioning his name. (You can verify the postings thereafter).
  
  Now I want to bring the main matter, for you:
  
  Mr. Murali has posted his reports about the movies of NT in early 80s. the movies are:
  
  Dharmaraja
  Mohana punnagai
  Sathiya Sundaram
  AmarakAviyam
  Yemanukku yeman
  Ratha pAsam
  Rishimoolam
  Kalthoon... etc..
  
  He has posted it as a report and not as an analysis. He mentioned about the date of release of those films, the situation at that time, howmany days run.... etc. He did not hide anything even it has failed to score.
  
  IN ANY OF THAT POSTINGS HE DID NOT DRAG THE NAME OF "...............", BUT ABOUT Nadigar Thilagam ONLY.
  
  But Mr. Nakeeran unnecesarily made counter argument of each and every moviie (what Mr. Murali listed) just like
  
  "What about Shivaji's performance in this movie?'
  
  "why you not mentioning about his action in this film?"
  
  etc...etc...etc... (you can see that posting in the first page of this thread)
  
  IN ON PLACE, NAKEERAN PURPOSELY DRAG THE NAME OF "............." AND ASKED WHY YOU ARE COMPARED NT WITH HIM. (it is also in his post).
  
  For that I replied, we already experienced before, and our posts have been thrown to "Digressions Shivaji thread" and we dont want to do the same think again.
  
  What is wrong in it....??????????????.
  
  As a reply for this, he brought the links of old "Digression" thread, which was locked longback, and creating the fight again. May be our posts (particularly mine) hurt the hearts of "..........." fans and I stopped it long back. (Anyone can verify my postings after that particular period, whether I have mentioned any other actors name, except Nadigar Thilagam).
  
  Dear Mr. Murali Srinivas, A HUMBLE REQUEST FOR YOU.....
  
  I KNOW NOWADAYS, YOU ARE NOT DRAGGING OR MENTIONING THE NAME OF "............." IN YOUR POSTS ABOUT MOVIES, BUT MY REQUEST IS, PLEASE DO NOT MENTION THE NAME OF "..........." EVEN IN THE POLITICAL INNINGS OF 'NT'.
  
  If you want, you mention the name of Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Thiru Karunanidhi etc, BUT NOT THE NAME OF "...........". please.
  
  Saroooo....
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 3:34:02 2006.

  [quote="saradhaa_snNow I want to bring the main matter, for you:
  
  Mr. Murali has posted his reports about the movies of NT in early 80s. the movies are:
  
  Dharmaraja
  Mohana punnagai
  Sathiya Sundaram
  AmarakAviyam
  Yemanukku yeman
  Ratha pAsam
  Rishimoolam
  Kalthoon... etc..
  
  He has posted it as a report and not as an analysis. He mentioned about the date of release of those films, the situation at that time, howmany days run.... etc. He did not hide anything even it has failed to score.
  
  .[/quote]
  
  Madam
  
  Well , my point here is THE SINCERETY SHOWN BY Mr. MURALI WHILE COVERING THE SUCCESSFUL MOVIES OF MGR
  INDICATING REASONS WHY THOSE SUCCEEDED
  
  WERE NOT SHOWN TO A SUCCESSFUL MOVIE OF SHIVAJI LIKE - THIRUSOOLAM, LORRY DRIVER
  
  I wanted this to be made sincerely by him and hence I took SOME SAMPLES of his posts about MGR movies .
  
  You see his posts about
  
  1. Netru indru nalai
  2. Urimai kural
  3. Nan en pirandhen
  4. Pallandu vazga
  
  The comments are self explanatory . Do you wish to have links ? Well I have already given earlier
  
  Let us end this needless arguments . And dont for heaven's sake list the successful movies of Shivaji from the mid 70s. They are not worth to cross 50 days.
  
  I would have been more happier if Kappalotiya thamizan or a good movie ran for 100 days
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Oct 6 3:51:16 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Let us end this needless arguments . And dont for heaven's sake list the successful movies of Shivaji from the mid 70s. They are not worth to cross 50 days. I would have been more happier if Kappalotiya thamizan or a good movie ran for 100 days

  
  
  Bravo Nakeera! Lets end it. I have already thown up my hands and given up to you. I don't want to waste whatever (miniscule) writing talent I have in arguing on this issue. I shall use it to enrich in small possible way the NT's thread.
  
  I also promise that I shall never enter '.........'s thread, because I am scared that anything I write may be infered as defaming '........' or disciminately accuse '......' of negative things. I think I better stay out even though I have enjoyed '......''s films and most importantly enjoy '......''s songs. I have a lot to say and write about '.......' but I think I better stay out because his fans love him so much that they get involuntary spasm or jerky reaction when an NT fan talks, mentions, or apparently hints about '.........'
  
  (Funny thing is, many of those who wrote glowing reviews on '........''s movies and songs are also NT fans, regular in NT thread).
  
  You can find me in NT's thread, from now on.
  
  As Nakeeran have requested to end the argument, may I ask the moderator to lock this thread. First time I am doing such a thing.
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Oct 6 3:58:58 2006.

  saradhaa_sn wrote:

  If you want, you mention the name of Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Thiru Karunanidhi etc, BUT NOT THE NAME OF "...........". please.

  
  
  .You are right!
  
  They don't even want his name to be mentioned .
  
  If they think Murali didn't elobrate the reasons behind success of SAINT movies ,why don't they do it themselves in their SAINT thread instead of blaming a NT fan for not doing so?
  
  Atleast Tfmlover and imsai are more open ,express their intension ,but this Nakeeran ridiculing NT (even his last post here) ,but act as a innocent and pius in the name of using nice words ..We already studied 'Vanja pugazhchi' at school ,not expecting Nakeeran to teach us.
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 4:10:10 2006.

  joe wrote:

  saradhaa_sn wrote: If you want, you mention the name of Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Thiru Karunanidhi etc, BUT NOT THE NAME OF "...........". please. .You are right! They don't even want his name to be mentioned . If they think Murali didn't elobrate the reasons behind success of SAINT movies ,why don't they do it themselves in their SAINT thread instead of blaming a NT fan for not doing so? Atleast Tfmlover and imsai are more open ,express their intension ,but this Nakeeran ridiculing NT (even his last post here) ,but act as a innocent and pius in the name of using nice words ..We already studied 'Vanja pugazhchi' at school ,not expecting Nakeeran to teach us.

  
  
  O great !
  
  A moderator Joe calling me NARADHA Nakee and then justifying that ITS AN APPRECIATION is what is truely called VANJA PUGAZCHI ANI
  
  Well, as a modertor, if you can stoop down to such levels , what discipline do you expect from hubbers to whom you are supposed to be a role model ?
  
  Groucho
  
  You are one of the rationale hubbers around here and I love reading your posts . I know you were a MGR fan who later became a Shivaji fan. Pl dont stop your posts in MGr thread. Request to contribute pls
  
  Well, no more arguments and personal jibes . Lets put an end to this . TRUCE
  
  

• From: saradhaa_sn on Fri Oct 6 4:12:54 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Let us end this needless arguments . And dont for heaven's sake list the successful movies of Shivaji from the mid 70s. They are not worth to cross 50 days. I would have been more happier if Kappalotiya thamizan or a good movie ran for 100 days

  
  It is applicable not only for NT movies, but for all. If you take out the list of the successful movies of all actors, 75% of them are not worth to cross 50 days, but succeeded and that should be accepted.
  
  Thanks for accepting 'KappalOttiya Thamizhan' as a good movie. But what is the result our Tamil audience gave to that worthful movie..?.
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Oct 6 4:15:43 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Joe calling me NARADHA Nakee

  
  
  Nakeeran sir,
  I already accepted I called you Narathar and I gave you reason .
  
  I asked you to prove where did I call Nakee?
  
  Without giving an answer you repeat again (as usual ,this is your trick)
  
  If You don't give me proof for this ,I won't hesitate to call you 'Poyyar'.
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Oct 6 4:21:47 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  You are one of the rationale hubbers around here and I love reading your posts .

  
  
  Aha ! Groucho, Kavanama irunga .Nakeeran sir muthalla ippadi thaan solluvar .athukku meaning ungala neram paarthu kavukka avar ready ayittarunnu arththam
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Oct 6 4:31:32 2006.

  joe wrote:

  Nakeeran wrote: You are one of the rationale hubbers around here and I love reading your posts . Aha ! Groucho, Kavanama irunga .Nakeeran sir muthalla ippadi thaan solluvar .athukku meaning ungala neram paarthu kavukka avar ready ayittarunnu arththam

  
  
  I speak on behalf of all NT fans, especially you, Joe, and Mdm Saradha and Murali-sar, and faithful others, who have been neutral, rationale and careful enough not to hurt others.
  
  But little did we know that it will create this kind of Poogambam. It happens.
  
  If I am labeled as rationale, then I believe it also means that other NT fans who post regularly in NT's thread are rationale also...because whatever I write, I write it in the same spirit everyone else writes in NT's thread.
  
  Despite Nakeeran's request, I don't think I'd want to post in '......''s thread. I think '.......' have enough fans, hubbers, some very good writers, who can do the honor for him. Nakeeran himself have done good posting...he can continue his good work there. I shall visit the thread from time to time, but I can't contribute. Not after this.
  
  I think there is a need to spread the good message about NT, so I shall concentrate on NT thread.
  
  

• From: Jilaba on Fri Oct 6 9:46:03 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  i find everyone targetting nakkeeran which is wrong. He raised a point saying why unnecessarily pulling MGR in this thread ..when we discuss about shivaji. There are 100 aspects of shivaji which we can focus and discuss rather than explaining why a obscure movie failed etc. This is my humble opinion and as some body said AGE doesnt matter.. I'm not old enough but from my childhood i was interested in old films and songs and i have kept track of most of them .. So AGE doesnt have to do with history or stuff like that and everyone knew about MGR- shivaji rival in the movies but in the real life they were brothers .. so let us also take it in a professional way .. Whatever nakkeeran raised here is not evaluation but a request.. I dont know the reason behind a group formation against nakkeeran

  
  Rajesh sir, idhula group formation enge irukku?
  
  Nakeeran thevaiyillamal oru pirachinaiyai thuvakkinaar. adhukku ovvoruththarum thani thaniya avanga reply koduthukittu irukkaanga. idhula group enga irukku?.
  
  Naan shivaji thread continue aaga padichikittu varren. sameeba kaalamaaga avanga shivajiyai paththi mattumthaan ezuthikittu varaangale thavira MGR paththi edhuvum ezuthuvathillai.
  
  Shivaji thread romba activaa irukunnu poraamaiyila Nakeeran pazaya kuppaigalai kilari, oru sandaiyai uruvaakkittaar. Ippavum solren, avanga munbu MGR paththi ezuthinaanga enbathai naan marukkavillai. Aanaa appuram idhe pola oru sandai nadandhappuram, avanga MGR paththi ezuthuvathai niruththittaanga. Ippa puthiya sandaiyai thuvangiyavar Nakeeranthaan. idhula endha doubtum illai.
  
  

• From: tacinema on Fri Oct 6 10:39:13 2006.

  Due to work load, I am not able to come to this forum as often as I used to. But it is surprising and shocking that so much is going on against our beloved NT.
  
  Nakeeran,
  
  I am not able to see any major reason why you are too much against NT. We had a similar fight a while back and due to a lot of mud-slinging, the moderator locked that thread.
  To put it simply, I believe your posts really do not make any sense. Let me explain the reasons:
  
  1. You said Thirisoolam did not deserve the win that it had. Why are you so much again Thirisoolam? It is not a bad movie; it has got some finest moments of NT's acting. The movie has got all required ingradients to satisfy his fans and common public and it became a block buster. Believe me, the sentimental factor will not make a hit movie, leave alone the block buster run. So, your point of ridiculing thirisoolam really does not cut the ice and I consider it as your ignorance.
  
  2. You advised NT fans to be critical of his negative aspects. A good advise, but we are already doing that job. Didn't you see Mr. Murali and Saradha madam ridiculing NT's movies such as Lorry driver rajakannu, pattakathi bairavan, and so on? So, again, you are acting too smart and advising NT fans, who are already doing that fine job.
  
  3. At some point, for Sivakamiyin Selvan, you compared Sivaji with Rajesh Kanna, and said Rajesh Khanna was more handsome and refreshing. First of all, there is an age difference between Rajesh Khanna and NT and NT did his best in the movie. Do you want a young and refreshing NT? Have you seen movies like vasantha maaligai, deiva magan (younger son), and Raja? I can give you tons of movies where NT looks not only handsome, but also very sophisticated. You need to keep in mind, NT is a legend in his own way and ruled TF for over 35 years. By comparing NT with Rajesh Khanna, you are hurting NT fans to the core and you need to stop this crap.
  
  4. You are saying that MGR is being degraded in NT's forum. This is simply not true. Didn't you see Saradha madam gave a list of MGR movies, which beat NT's collection and vice versa? Again, she praised and highlighted MGR's generous donations, who during his b-day celebration used to donate money to a lot of poor people. Even MGR fans may not remember these facts. In addition, time and again, Mr. Murali compiled a list of MGR movies and concluded that they had a better run. Even MGR fans (if you are one) in this forum may not know these facts. The very fact that NT fans bringing them out shows we are very neutral in presenting the fact. But again, as Saradha rightly said: "Unmai kasakkum". We brought out some of the comments that MGR made during his political campaign, which are totally indecent and against NT. So, obviously, NT fans in the forum were outraged and vent out their feelings. Again, it was a mistake from MGR part to target NT and I see no reason why you should get annoyed due to these discussions. The very fact that NT did not hit back MGR shows the decency from NT part and we are proud of our idol behavior and character. Again, let me tell you, it is an universal fact that truth prevails and "unmai kasakkum". So, I tell you that except some stray incidents, MGR fame was not degraded in NT's thread, in fact MGR was many time praised in the thread. We all know MGR's charisma and fame and in the similar fashion, you know NT's greatness and you should learn to appreciate him. You agree with me or not, but NT is one of the finest actors that India produced.
  
  5. You are just bashing NT. If you read Mr. Murali's or Saradha madam's writings, they have praised MGR in many instances. For example, Saradha has written a beautiful review of MGR's movie: Naan Yen Pirandhen. You should learn something from both of them. Try to praise NT and appreciate some of his characters. There are tons of unique and amazing characters that NT has played very successfully; you won't find difficult to pick some of them and praise him. Have a positive view on NT; you owe a lot to NT's achievements, especially from all tamil speaking people.
  
  6. Often, MGR fans bring the point that NT is a failure in politics. We know that fact and we never wanted NT in politics. To succeed in politics, you need to have a specific mindset; we know NT did not have that mindset and he failed. But that no way affected our affection towards NT. So, it is advisable that other actor fans stop bringing these avoidable points.
  
  If you cannot contribute any points on NT thread, that is fine; at least, do not disturb other fans and just listen what they say.
  
  Thanks
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 11:05:55 2006.

  TACINEMA
  
  

  Quote:

  1. You said Thirisoolam did not deserve the win that it had. Why are you so much again Thirisoolam? It is not a bad movie; it has got some finest moments of NT's acting. The movie has got all required ingradients to satisfy his fans and common public and it became a block buster. Believe me, the sentimental factor will not make a hit movie, leave alone the block buster run. So, your point of ridiculing thirisoolam really does not cut the ice and I consider it as your ignorance.

  
  
  Sir, Neenga Eppa Thirusoolam patri positive review kodukureengalo appave enakku purindhu vittadhu . THE MAIN REASON WHY NT MOVIES FROM THE MID 70S were not so impressive.
  ITS THE KIND OF FANS WHO DESTROYED HIS IMAGE.
  So, you are admiring that 3rd Shivaji character who partnered with Sripriya and danced for the song ADI RAJATHI VARUNGADI . and played a romantic youth role
  
  Terrific fan following !
  
  
  

  Quote:

  2. You advised NT fans to be critical of his negative aspects. A good advise, but we are already doing that job. Didn't you see Mr. Murali and Saradha madam ridiculing NT's movies such as Lorry driver rajakannu, pattakathi bairavan, and so on? So, again, you are acting too smart and advising NT fans, who are already doing that fine job.

  
  
  Well, for this I have given several links. The comments are VERY SOFT and NOT HARD HITTING LIKE THE ONES THEY COMMENTED ABOUT A SUCCESSFUL MOVIE OF MGR . This is my stand.
  Also Mr. Shankara said that Mr. Shivaji was actively participating in story discussion screen play etc.
  Hence I asked him was he present for story discussion for your above listed movies also ? Well so far no answer.
  
  I am sick of explaining this again and again.
  
  
  
  

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  3. At some point, for Sivakamiyin Selvan, you compared Sivaji with Rajesh Kanna, and said Rajesh Khanna was more handsome and refreshing. First of all, there is an age difference between Rajesh Khanna and NT and NT did his best in the movie. Do you want a young and refreshing NT? Have you seen movies like vasantha maaligai, deiva magan (younger son), and Raja? I can give you tons of movies where NT looks not only handsome, but also very sophisticated. You need to keep in mind, NT is a legend in his own way and ruled TF for over 35 years. By comparing NT with Rajesh Khanna, you are hurting NT fans to the core and you need to stop this crap

  .
  
  Well, if NT's age at that time was not ideal for Aradhana's remake, he should have avoided it . Thats my point. Rajesh K was 500 % young at that time and hence comparison was inevitable.
  
  
  

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  4. You are saying that MGR is being degraded in NT's forum. This is simply not true. Didn't you see Saradha madam gave a list of MGR movies, which beat NT's collection and vice versa? Again, she praised and highlighted MGR's generous donations, who during his b-day celebration used to donate money to a lot of poor people. Even MGR fans may not remember these facts. In addition, time and again, Mr. Murali compiled a list of MGR movies and concluded that they had a better run. Even MGR fans (if you are one) in this forum may not know these facts. The very fact that NT fans bringing them out shows we are very neutral in presenting the fact. But again, as Saradha rightly said: "Unmai kasakkum". We brought out some of the comments that MGR made during his political campaign, which are totally indecent and against NT. So, obviously, NT fans in the forum were outraged and vent out their feelings. Again, it was a mistake from MGR part to target NT and I see no reason why you should get annoyed due to these discussions. The very fact that NT did not hit back MGR shows the decency from NT part and we are proud of our idol behavior and character. Again, let me tell you, it is an universal fact that truth prevails and "unmai kasakkum". So, I tell you that except some stray incidents, MGR fame was not degraded in NT's thread, in fact MGR was many time praised in the thread. We all know MGR's charisma and fame and in the similar fashion, you know NT's greatness and you should learn to appreciate him. You agree with me or not, but NT is one of the finest actors that India produced

  .
  
  Neenga kurippitta Saradha Madam post , I have given the link for your kind perusal :
  
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4962&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=915
  
  pavam Saradha Madam, enna thonicho avangallukku, udane andha postai remove pannittu ippo verum SIRIPPU ( Asattu sirippunu ninaikuren ) edit seidhulargal.
  Idhilirundhu evvalavu perumthanmaiyanavargal neengal endru puriyum . He he
  
  

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  5. You are just bashing NT. If you read Mr. Murali's or Saradha madam's writings, they have praised MGR in many instances. For example, Saradha has written a beautiful review of MGR's movie: Naan Yen Pirandhen. You should learn something from both of them. Try to praise NT and appreciate some of his characters. There are tons of unique and amazing characters that NT has played very successfully; you won't find difficult to pick some of them and praise him. Have a positive view on NT; you owe a lot to NT's achievements, especially from all tamil speaking people

  .
  
  Shivajiyin movies of the 60s patri evarum karuthu sollavilaye Sir. En indha kuzappam. Ada kashtame
  
  

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  6. Often, MGR fans bring the point that NT is a failure in politics. We know that fact and we never wanted NT in politics. To succeed in politics, you need to have a specific mindset; we know NT did not have that mindset and he failed. But that no way affected our affection towards NT. So, it is advisable that other actor fans stop bringing these avoidable points.

  
  
  Neenga edho thathuvam solra madhiri irukudhu.
  When you guys admit that NT was not for politics, why then this political innings coverage WHICH MAINLY ADDRESSES MGR AND MUKAA ?
  And needless mentioning abut MGR didnt attend Shivaji's pillainga wedding etc etc why all these unwanted references.
  
  Sir neenga romba tireda irupeenga. Rest eduthukunga pls.
  
  I have well before declared truce this morning itself.
  
  I wish to contribute more about MGR .
  
  Marakama, Saradha madam post seidha linka parunga. I have given it above so that you are more enlightened about the broad mindedness. He he.
  
  Bye bye
  
  I request the Moderators to lock this pls.
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Fri Oct 6 11:39:47 2006.

  Friends,
  
  Let us stop this Makkal Thilagam Vs Nadigar Thilagm
  
  Ratham varuthu ! Both are legends with their own share of BLOCKBUSTERS, HITS, SUPERHITS and flops !
  
  Let us stop comparing the legends who were different in everything !
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 12:21:39 2006.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Friends, Let us stop this Makkal Thilagam Vs Nadigar Thilagm Ratham varuthu ! Both are legends with their own share of BLOCKBUSTERS, HITS, SUPERHITS and flops ! Let us stop comparing the legends who were different in everything !

  
  
  EXACTLY !! This is not 1966 folks, it's 2006 !!
  
  

• From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 12:25:28 2006.

  Bay Area and Selva Sir
  
  Well . I started the day with TRUCE and declared it as a mark of respect for both the legends.
  
  Its recurring triggering posts from others which makes me answer to them
  
  And as usual , they are calling me by names.
  
  I am already focussed now our Puratchi thalaivar thread now
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 12:28:23 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Bay Area and Selva Sir Well . I started the day with TRUCE and declared it as a mark of respect for both the legends. triggering posts from others which makes me answer to them And as usual , they are calling me by names. I am already focussed now our Puratchi thalaivar thread now

  
  
  Nakeeran, Let it goo ... PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !!!
  
  We need you contribution in other threads !! Don't focus so much here !!!
  
  PS: Should I open a Rajini/Kamal thread ??? Will mods let me do it ?? We will make it more ENTERTAINING !! Trust me !!
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 6 12:30:16 2006.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  EXACTLY !! This is not 1966 folks, it's 2006 !!

  
  
  
  
  

• From: imsai on Fri Oct 6 12:35:21 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  Bay Area and Selva Sir Well . I started the day with TRUCE and declared it as a mark of respect for both the legends. Its recurring triggering posts from others which makes me answer to them And as usual , they are calling me by names. I am already focussed now our Puratchi thalaivar thread now

  
  
  You're a true gentleman
  
  

• From: imsai on Fri Oct 6 12:45:46 2006.

  That's it for today
  
  

• From: S.Balaji on Fri Oct 6 14:12:53 2006.

  Joe, Groucho and Saro
  
  I felt its necessary to share my concern and the reason why I didnt appear for sometime.
  
  This is the reason why I stopped posting in NT thread for sometime.
  
  Even as an ardent worshipper of NT, I admire Makkal thilagam a lot and of late, my admiration towards him grows like anything .
  
  Nakeeran's view point may look odd to you and me or he may be raking up an old issue but the fact remains that there were posts indirectly targetted at MGR
  
  All the MGR fans want is to view others without prejudice. I dont find anything wrong in that argument.
  
  If you all view the criticism from a MGR fan point of view, you will feel the pinch.
  
  Infact, I felt the pinch and was hurt
  
  I am the culprit having asked Murali Anna to write about the political innings of NT which I realized soon that NT had played very little political innings. For a lengthyduration, the 2 greats MGR and M.K. were dominating .
  
  I cautioned and pleaded twice to you all to shun from commenting about Makkal thilagam but the skirmishes continued.
  The post of Murali Anna sighting that NT attack incident was the stage when everything touched the lowest stage and Saradha added fuel to the fire.
  
  Believe me, I too felt that such posts of Murali Anna and Saradha were unnecessary.
  
  What followed was an indepedent thread opened for exchanging blows and all what was kept inside came out from everyone.
  
  I was so stunned by the posts of some NT fans ( I really didnt expect this ) that I stopped posting for good.
  
  We are all very well past those fighting days when NT-MGR rift was at its best. Now its time to recollect fond memories of their best years and how much love and affection they shared at personal levels which might be known to persons like Mr. Mohan Ram.
  
  I request Mr. Mohan Ram to share his thoughts about NT-MG relationship and their bondage so that it will clear all doubts to our dear MGR fans here.
  
  Though I am an ardent NT fan, I treat both NT and MG in equal footing and the love and admiration is equal .
  
  Both are genius beyond doubt and lets respect both
  
  From now, let there be harmony and friendship between 2 fans
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 14:14:47 2006.

  S.Balaji wrote:

  Both are genius beyond doubt and lets respect both From now, let there be harmony and friendship between 2 fans

  
  
  Apdi podunga !!!
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 6 15:45:51 2006.

  Well said balaji
  
  Also, As Nakeeran pointed when all the digression on NT were deleted by mods in NT Thread, the negative comments on MGR which started digression were still remaining.
  
  I Hope the concerned parties/mods edit/delete those posts.
  
  And I feel it is very unfortunate that some hubbers making wrong impressions on Nakeeran. Several were pointing not to respond to his posts and trying to separate him from others.
  
  Not only in this thread, in some other threads too several saying the same. We can always give reply for any questions. If anyone dont like someone's post, they can stay away from them instead of making a compaign stating not to respond to his/her posts publicly.
  
  Luckily Nakeeran is taking things lightly.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 16:03:50 2006.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Not only in this thread, in some other threads too several saying the same. We can always give reply for any questions. If anyone dont like someone's post, they can stay away from them instead of making a compaign stating not to respond to his/her posts publicly.

  
  
  Very well said TM !! If you don't like somebody's post, STAY AWAY !!!
  
  

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Luckily Nakeeran is taking things lightly.

  
  
  Exactly !!! So many ppl goin after one guy !! Man, I donno what I would have done in Nakeeran's position !!
  
  

• From: imsai on Fri Oct 6 19:35:40 2006.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Well said balaji Also, As Nakeeran pointed when all the digression on NT were deleted by mods in NT Thread, the negative comments on MGR which started digression were still remaining. And I feel it is very unfortunate that some hubbers making wrong impressions on Nakeeran. Several were pointing not to respond to his posts and trying to separate him from others.

  
  
  
  
  

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  Luckily Nakeeran is taking things lightly.

  
  Ya. I've fought and argued with him a lot. He never hurls out personal abuses. I don't agree with some of his posts but I like arguing with him as he raises interesting questions and argues well. He's a very knowledgeable person.
  
  

• From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 7:38:45 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  TACINEMA Quote: 1. You said Thirisoolam did not deserve the win that it had. Why are you so much again Thirisoolam? It is not a bad movie; it has got some finest moments of NT's acting. The movie has got all required ingradients to satisfy his fans and common public and it became a block buster. Believe me, the sentimental factor will not make a hit movie, leave alone the block buster run. So, your point of ridiculing thirisoolam really does not cut the ice and I consider it as your ignorance. Sir, Neenga Eppa Thirusoolam patri positive review kodukureengalo appave enakku purindhu vittadhu . THE MAIN REASON WHY NT MOVIES FROM THE MID 70S were not so impressive. ITS THE KIND OF FANS WHO DESTROYED HIS IMAGE. So, you are admiring that 3rd Shivaji character who partnered with Sripriya and danced for the song ADI RAJATHI VARUNGADI . and played a romantic youth role Terrific fan following !

  
  சிவாஜி ரசிகர்கள் எம்ஜியாரை தாக்குகிறார்கள் என்று இவ்வளவு தூரம் பேசிய திரு நக்கீரன், இப்போது செய்திருப்பது என்னவாம். திரிசூலம் படத்தைப்பற்றி ஏன் இவ்வளவு காட்டம் அவருக்கு?. அவருக்கு வக்காலத்து வாங்கிப் பேசிய இம்சையும் திருமாறனும் இதற்கு என்ன சொல்லப் போகிறார்கள். இவர் திரிசூலம் படத்தை ஆரம்பத்திலிருந்தே தாக்குவது மட்டும் என்ன விதத்தில் நியாயம்?.
  
  'திரிசூலம்' நல்ல படமோ இல்லையோ, சாரதா மேடம் சொன்னது போல வெற்றி என்றால் வெற்றிதான், அது தமிழ்நாட்டு மக்கள் அள்ளிக்கொடுத்த வெற்றி. அதற்கு முன் வந்த படங்கள் அத்தனையையும் முறியடித்துக் காட்டிய மகத்தான வெற்றி.
  
  ஒருவேளை நக்கீரனின் கோபத்துக்கு காரணம் இப்படி இருக்குமோ?. எம்ஜியாரின் படங்களிலேயே மிகச்சிறந்த வசூல் பெற்ற படமாகிய 'உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன்' படத்தின் வசூலை 'திரிசூலம்' முறியடித்து விட்டதே என்ற கோபமாக் இருக்குமோ என்னவோ.
  
  அப்படியே பார்தாலும் உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன் படத்தில் மட்டும் புதுமையாக என்ன இருந்தது, வெளிநாடுகளில் படமாக்கப்பட்டது என்பதைத் தவிர?. அதன் முழுப்பலனும் ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் ராமமூர்த்திக்கும், இசையமைப்ப்பாளர் எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதனுக்கும் தான் உரியது. கதையைப் பொறுத்தவரை, டைட்டிலில் 'எம்ஜியார் பிக்சர்ஸ் கதை இலாக்கா' என்று போட்டிருப்பார்கள். ஆனால் முழுக்க முழுக்க (ரவிச்சந்திரன், ஜெயலலிதா நடித்த) "மூன்றெழுத்து" என்ற படத்தின் அப்பட்டமான காப்பி. இதில் என்ன பெருமை புதுமை இருக்கிறது?.
  
  (உடனே சிவாஜி ரசிகன், எம்ஜியார் படத்தை தாக்குகிறான் என்று கூச்சல் போடாதீர்கள். 'திரிசூலம்' படத்தைப் பற்றி நக்கீரன் வேண்டுமென்றே தொடர்ந்து தாக்கி வருவதால் நானும் இதையெல்லாம் எழுத வேண்டியுள்ளது. அவர் செய்தது சரியென்றால் இப்போ நான் செய்வதும் சரிதான்).
  
  இது குறித்து தாக்குவதென்றால் என்னை தாக்குங்கள். காரணம் இதை எழுதுபவன் நன் தான்.அதை விடுத்து முரளி, ஜோ, குருச்சோ, சாரதா இவர்களையோ அல்லது சிவாஜியையோ தாக்க வேண்டாம். 'ஜிலாபா' என்ற தனிப்பட்ட என்னைத் தாக்குங்கள். எதற்கும் நான் பதில் சொல்ல தயாராக இருக்கிறேன்.
  
  

• From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 8:00:54 2006.

  Nakeeran wrote:

  TACINEMA Neenga kurippitta Saradha Madam post , I have given the link for your kind perusal : http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4962&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=915 pavam Saradha Madam, enna thonicho avangallukku, udane andha postai remove pannittu ippo verum SIRIPPU ( Asattu sirippunu ninaikuren ) edit seidhulargal.

  
  எம்ஜியாரின் வள்ளல் தன்மையைப் பற்றி சகோதரி சாரதா எழுதியதை (அவர் நீக்குவதற்கு முன்னர்) நானும் படித்தேன். ஆனால் அவர் எழுதியதை ஒரு எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர் கூட பாராட்டவில்லை. நான் கூட நினைத்தேன். ஒரு சிவாஜி ரசிகையாக இருந்து கொண்டு, எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர்கள் பலருக்கே தெரியாத விஷயங்களை எல்லாம் எழுதுகிறாரே என்று.
  
  ஆனால் 'எம்ஜியார் - நம்பியார் - பந்துலு' சம்பவத்தைப்பற்றி இவ்வளவு ஞாபகமாக நினைவு வைத்து தாக்கும் நக்கீரனுக்கு, எம்ஜியாரை பற்றி சாரதா உயர்த்தி எழுதிய கட்டுரையைப் பாராட்ட மனம் வரவில்லை. அதன் பிறகு நடந்த எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர்கள் - சிவாஜி ரசிகர்கள் மோதலில் ஒருவேளை அவர் மனம் வெதும்பிப் போய் அவர் அதை நீக்கியிருக்க வேண்டும் (சாரி.. சாரதா மேடம். உண்மையான காரணத்தை நீங்கள்தான் சொல்ல வேண்டும்).
  
  இருந்தாலும் என்ன, அவர் எழுதியதைத்தானே நீக்கினார்?. மற்றவர்களுடையதை அல்லவே.
  
  சாரதா மேடம் எம்ஜியாரின் 'நான் ஏன் பிறந்தேன்' படத்தைப்பற்றி எழுதியதை எம்ஜியார் த்ரெட்டில் இதற்காகவே நான் ரன்னிங் பக்கத்துக்கு கொண்டுவந்துள்ளேன். மனமிருந்தால் படித்துப் பாருங்கள். ஒரு எம்ஜியார் ரசிகன் கூட அப்படி எழுத முடியாது.
  
  

• From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 8:10:44 2006.

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  ஒருவேளை நக்கீரனின் கோபத்துக்கு காரணம் இப்படி இருக்குமோ?. எம்ஜியாரின் படங்களிலேயே மிகச்சிறந்த வசூல் பெற்ற படமாகிய 'உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன்' படத்தின் வசூலை 'திரிசூலம்' முறியடித்து விட்டதே என்ற கோபமாக் இருக்குமோ என்னவோ.

  
  
  
  MGR was the superstar of the era. Now NT fans are jealous and can't tolerate the success MGR had
  
  What's the reason behind ridiculing MGR then? jealousy and hatred
  
  

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  அப்படியே பார்தாலும் உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன் படத்தில் மட்டும் புதுமையாக என்ன இருந்தது, வெளிநாடுகளில் படமாக்கப்பட்டது என்பதைத் தவிர?. அதன் முழுப்பலனும் ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் ராமமூர்த்திக்கும், இசையமைப்ப்பாளர் எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதனுக்கும் தான் உரியது. கதையைப் பொறுத்தவரை, டைட்டிலில் 'எம்ஜியார் பிக்சர்ஸ் கதை இலாக்கா' என்று போட்டிருப்பார்கள். ஆனால் முழுக்க முழுக்க (ரவிச்சந்திரன், ஜெயலலிதா நடித்த) "மூன்றெழுத்து" என்ற படத்தின் அப்பட்டமான காப்பி. இதில் என்ன பெருமை புதுமை இருக்கிறது?.

  
  The over-actor can't do anything
  
  So how about going back to the over-actor's thread and start shooting?
  
  

• From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 8:19:27 2006.

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  எம்ஜியாரின் வள்ளல் தன்மையைப் பற்றி சகோதரி சாரதா எழுதியதை (அவர் நீக்குவதற்கு முன்னர்) நானும் படித்தேன். ஆனால் அவர் எழுதியதை ஒரு எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர் கூட பாராட்டவில்லை. நான் கூட நினைத்தேன். ஒரு சிவாஜி ரசிகையாக இருந்து கொண்டு, எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர்கள் பலருக்கே தெரியாத விஷயங்களை எல்லாம் எழுதுகிறாரே என்று. ஆனால் 'எம்ஜியார் - நம்பியார் - பந்துலு' சம்பவத்தைப்பற்றி இவ்வளவு ஞாபகமாக நினைவு வைத்து தாக்கும் நக்கீரனுக்கு, எம்ஜியாரை பற்றி சாரதா உயர்த்தி எழுதிய கட்டுரையைப் பாராட்ட மனம் வரவில்லை. அதன் பிறகு நடந்த எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர்கள் - சிவாஜி ரசிகர்கள் மோதலில் ஒருவேளை அவர் மனம் வெதும்பிப் போய் அவர் அதை நீக்கியிருக்க வேண்டும் (சாரி.. சாரதா மேடம். உண்மையான காரணத்தை நீங்கள்தான் சொல்ல வேண்டும்).

  
  
  What? Every MGR fan has to eulogize the NT fan because he/she said good things about MGR. Is it another rule in the hub?.
  
  btw, didn't Nakeeran sing praise of Sivaji on many occasions? NT fans kept quiet.
  
  Hypocrisy. Don't be too emotional, I know you watch lots of NT movies and cry.
  
  

• From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 8:32:09 2006.

  S.Balaji wrote:

  Joe, Groucho and Saro Nakeeran's view point may look odd to you and me or he may be raking up an old issue but the fact remains that there were posts indirectly targetted at MGR All the MGR fans want is to view others without prejudice. I dont find anything wrong in that argument. If you all view the criticism from a MGR fan point of view, you will feel the pinch. Infact, I felt the pinch and was hurt I am the culprit having asked Murali Anna to write about the political innings of NT which I realized soon that NT had played very little political innings. For a lengthyduration, the 2 greats MGR and M.K. were dominating . I cautioned and pleaded twice to you all to shun from commenting about Makkal thilagam but the skirmishes continued.

  
  பாஜாஜி சார், நீங்களே நக்கீரன் முதல் பக்கத்தில் போஸ்ட் பண்ணியிருக்கும் கருத்தைப் படித்துப்பாருங்க. உங்களுக்கு உண்மை புரியும்.
  
  முரளி சார் 80 களில் வந்த சிவாஜி படங்களைப்பற்றிய விவரங்களைத் தந்திருந்தார். (அதில் வேறு எந்த நடிகரைப் பற்றியும் குறிப்பிடவேயில்லை). அப்படியிருக்க திருவாளர் நக்கீரன் அவர்கள் முரளியிடம் 'இந்தப்படத்தில் சிவாஜியின் நடிப்பு எப்படி என்று ஏன் சொல்லவில்லை, அந்தப்படத்தில் சிவாஜி என்னத்தை நடித்துவிட்டார்' என்றெல்லாம் தேவையற்ற குறிப்புகளை குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார். (இதை ஏற்கெனவே சாரதா ஆங்கிலத்தில் தந்துள்ளார், அதை தமிழ் படுத்தியுள்ளேன்).
  
  (படத்துக்குப்படம் ப்ர்ஃபாமன்ஸை அலசுவதென்றால், அதற்கு அருகதையானவர்கள் சிவாஜியும், உலக நாயகன் கமலும்தானே தவிர வேறு யாரும் இல்லை. மற்றவர்களுக்கு எப்போதாவதுதான் வித்தியாசமான நடிப்பு வெளிப்படும்).
  
  ஏன் இப்படி தேவையில்லாமல் எழுதுகிறீர்கள் என்று ஜோ, குருச்சோ போன்ற தீவிர சிவாஜி ரசிகர்கள் கேட்க, அதற்கு அவர் 'முரளி மட்டும் முன்பு எம்ஜியார் படங்களை தேவையில்லாமல் இழுக்கலாமா' என்று ஆரம்பித்தார். இதைத் தொடர்ந்து முன்பு எப்போதோ குழிதோண்டி புதைக்கப்பட்ட கருத்துக்களையெல்லாம் தோண்டி எடுத்து வந்து மறுபடியும் சண்டையை ஆரம்பித்துள்ளார். (இந்த பிரச்சினைக்கு காரண கர்த்தாவான முரளி இது வரை வாய் திறவாமல் இருக்கிறார், மற்றவர்கள்தான் பதில் சொல்லிக் கொண்டு இருக்கிறார்கள்).
  
  இது பற்றி நண்பர் tacinemaஎழுதியுள்ள நீண்ட கருத்தைப் பாருங்கள். உண்மை உங்களுக்கு புரியும். காரணம் நீங்களும் ரொம்ப நாள் கழித்து இங்கு வந்திருக்கிறீர்கள். நான் பொதுவாக கருத்துகளை வாசிப்பவனாக மட்டும் இருந்தேனே தவிர, இவ்வளவு தீவிரமாக கருத்துக்களை பதித்தவன் அல்ல. ஆனால், நக்கீரனின் தொடர்ந்த தாக்குதல்களும், அதற்கு இம்சையும், திருமாறனும் துணை போவதும் தான் இவ்வளவு தீவிரம் காட்ட தூண்டியது.
  
  நீங்கள் எச்சரிக்கை செய்தபின்னும் எம்ஜியார் மீது தாக்குதல் நடப்பதாக நீங்கள் கடைசி வரியில் குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளது உண்மையல்ல. சிவாஜி த்ரெட்டில் இப்போது எம்ஜியார் பற்றிய செய்திகளே கிடையாது. நான் இங்கே உ.சு.வா. பற்றி சொன்னது கூட, நக்கீரன் திரிசூலத்தை இழுத்துப் பேசியதால்தான்.
  
  

• From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 8:45:07 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  Quote: ஒருவேளை நக்கீரனின் கோபத்துக்கு காரணம் இப்படி இருக்குமோ?. எம்ஜியாரின் படங்களிலேயே மிகச்சிறந்த வசூல் பெற்ற படமாகிய 'உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன்' படத்தின் வசூலை 'திரிசூலம்' முறியடித்து விட்டதே என்ற கோபமாக் இருக்குமோ என்னவோ. MGR was the superstar of the era. Now NT fans are jealous and can't tolerate the success MGR had What's the reason behind ridiculing MGR then? jealousy and hatred Quote: அப்படியே பார்தாலும் உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன் படத்தில் மட்டும் புதுமையாக என்ன இருந்தது, வெளிநாடுகளில் படமாக்கப்பட்டது என்பதைத் தவிர?. அதன் முழுப்பலனும் ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் ராமமூர்த்திக்கும், இசையமைப்ப்பாளர் எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதனுக்கும் தான் உரியது. கதையைப் பொறுத்தவரை, டைட்டிலில் 'எம்ஜியார் பிக்சர்ஸ் கதை இலாக்கா' என்று போட்டிருப்பார்கள். ஆனால் முழுக்க முழுக்க (ரவிச்சந்திரன், ஜெயலலிதா நடித்த) "மூன்றெழுத்து" என்ற படத்தின் அப்பட்டமான காப்பி. இதில் என்ன பெருமை புதுமை இருக்கிறது?. The over-actor can't do anything So how about going back to the over-actor's thread and start shooting?

  
  'உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன்' வசூலை 'திரிசூலம்' எல்லா ஊர்களிலும் முறியடித்து விட்டது என்ற உண்மையையும்,
  
  "மூன்றெழுத்து" படத்தின் கதையின் காப்பிதான் உ.சு.வா. என்ற உண்மையையும்
  
  மறுக்க முடியாமல் நீங்கள் திணறுவது நன்றாக தெரிகிறது.
  
  
  

• From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 9:12:18 2006.

  Jilaba wrote:

  'உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன்' வசூலை 'திரிசூலம்' எல்லா ஊர்களிலும் முறியடித்து விட்டது என்ற உண்மையையும், "மூன்றெழுத்து" படத்தின் கதையின் காப்பிதான் உ.சு.வா. என்ற உண்மையையும் மறுக்க முடியாமல் நீங்கள் திணறுவது நன்றாக தெரிகிறது.

  
  Exactly. How do you know this
  
  MGR-in arasiyal vetRi, cinema vetRi, avarathu national award ellavatRaiyum paarthu poRaamaiyil sivaji fans thiNaRuvathai paarthu uurE vizhunthu vizhunthu sirithathathu. appuram, moderator- uthaviyudam ellorum nakkera-i oru nambiyaar aakiyathai paarthu, pothu makkalm manam puNpattathu .
  
  ungalukku oru fact solla aavaludan irukiREn. sivaji avargaludaiya paNathukku minjiya nadippaal oru thEsiya viruthu kuuda vaanga mudiyavillae.. ithu thaan MGR meethu ungaludaiya kOpaththukku kaaraNamaa?
  
  

• From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 9:28:53 2006.

  imsai wrote:

  ungalukku oru fact solla aavaludan irukiREn. sivaji avargaludaiya paNathukku minjiya nadippaal oru thEsiya viruthu kuuda vaanga mudiyavillae.. ithu thaan MGR meethu ungaludaiya kOpaththukku kaaraNamaa?

  
  எம்ஜியார் 1971ல் (ஒன்று பட்ட தி.மு.க.வில் இருந்தபோது. இந்திராவிடம் கருணாநிதியின் சிபாரிசில்) வாங்கியது தேசிய விருது.
  
  ஆனால் யாருடைய சிபாரிசும் இல்லாமல் 1960 லேயே 'ஆசிய-ஆப்பிரிக்காவின் சிறந்த நடிகர்' என்ற உயர்ந்த விருதை நடிகர் திலகம் பெற்று விட்டார்.
  
  (இன்றைக்கு தேசிய விருது வாங்கியவர்கள் இந்தியாவில் சகட்டுமேனிக்கு இருக்கிறார்கள். ஆனால் 'ஆசிய ஆப்பிரிக்க சிறந்த நடிகர்' விருது பெற்றவர்கள் சிவாஜியைத் தவிர ஒருவர்கூட கிடையாது).
  
  பிரான்ஸ் நாட்டின் 'செவாலியே' விருது பெற்றவர்கள் இந்தியாவில் இரண்டே பேர். ஒருவர் 'தி கிரேட் சத்யஜி ரே", இன்னொருவர் 'தி கிரேட் நடிகர் திலகம்'.
  
  பாவம் உங்க ஆள் இவற்றையெல்லாம் கனவில் கூட நினைத்துப் பார்க்க முடியாது.
  
  

• From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 9:36:18 2006.

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  எம்ஜியார் 1971ல் (ஒன்று பட்ட தி.மு.க.வில் இருந்தபோது. இந்திராவிடம் கருணாநிதியின் சிபாரிசில்) வாங்கியது தேசிய விருது.

  
  
  aada theriyaathavanukku mEdai sari illae . een sivaji-i sibaarisu seiya oruvarum illaya?
  
  You talk about facts, so please provide us a link
  
  

• From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 9:39:09 2006.

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  பாவம் உங்க ஆள் இவற்றையெல்லாம் கனவில் கூட நினைத்துப் பார்க்க முடியாது.

  
  paavam sivaji, oru thEsiya viruthu kuuda vaanga mudiyavillae
  
  avaraal athai ninaiththu kuuda paarka mudiyavillae athu mattumaa? arasiyalil palaththa adi vizhunthathu sivaji-ku. thapinEn pizhaithEn-nu oodi vanthu vittaar engal nadippu thilagam
  
  ivaraal oru thadavai kuuda CM aaga mudiyavillae, appuram eppadi moonRu muRai CM aagalaaM?
  
  

• From: joe on Sat Oct 7 13:21:30 2006.

  உனக்கு தேசிய விருது கிடைக்கவில்லையாம்!
  
  குடகு மலையைக் கடந்தாயா என
  இமய மலையைக் கடந்தவனிடம் கேள்வி!
  
  பிரான்சுக்கும் எகிப்துக்கும் தெரிந்த உண்மை -இங்குள்ள
  பீஷ்மர்களுக்கு மட்டும் தெரியாதாம்!
  
  சிதம்பரனார் செல்ல மகன்
  சினிமா என்பதையும் மறந்து
  "ஐயோ அப்பா!" என்றரற்றினாராமே! -இந்த
  சிறப்புக்கு முன் ஆஸ்கார் எந்த மூலைக்கு?
  
  விண்ணுலகில் கூட...
  
  சிவனும் ,சிதம்பரனாரும்
  கட்டபொம்மனும் ,கர்ணனும்
  அப்பரும் ,அம்பிகாபதியும்,
  ஜார்ஜ்-ம் ,சாக்ரட்டீசும்
  
  கண்ணாடி பார்ப்பதற்கு பதில்
  உன் முன்னாடி தான் நிற்கிறார்களாமே?
  
  -ஜோ
  
  
  
  

• From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 13:46:44 2006.

  let's all mourn
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:13:20 2006.

  Jilaba,
  
  i dont understand why you deviated in another angle and brining another fight in this thread
  
  Nakkeeran said thirisoolam was not a worth NT movie .. there is nothing wrong about that..
  
  
  if NEW ran for 100 days and if thavamai thavamirundhu didnt cross 75 days does that mean NEw is abetter film than thavamai thavamirundhu ..
  
  NT's palum pazhamum, pava mannippu were all classics compared to all obscure movies like yemanukku yeman, dharma raja, lorry driver etc..
  
  If people gave success that doesnt measure the worthiness of a film..
  
  in that case people never gave success for good, different story whover tried (NT,Kamal or anybody)
  
  jilaba, is bringing unnecessary discussion about NAtional award etc..
  and if imsai or thirumaran replies, they'll be condemned..
  
  I didnt understand the funda behind this
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:21:00 2006.

  joe wrote this in nt thread
  முரளி சிறீனிவாஸ்,
  முட்டாள்கள் கூட்டத்தில் மவுனமாய் இருப்பவன் தான் அறிவாளி என்று ஒரு பழமொழி உண்டு .அடிப்படை தர்க்க ஞானமும் ,நேர்மையான எழுத்தை புரிந்து கொள்ளும் அறிவும் இல்லாத ஒரு கூட்டத்தின் நடுவில் நீங்கள் இவ்வளவு சிரமப்பட்டு நேர்த்தியாக எழுதி பயன் ஒன்றும் இல்லை .அதனால் உங்களுக்கு கிடைத்ததெல்லாம் வசை மாரி தான் .மன வருத்தத்தோடு சொல்லிக் கொள்கிறேன் .உங்கள் எழுத்து இங்கு எழுதப்பட்டு வீணாவதற்கு பதில் நீங்கள் எழுதாமலேயே இருக்கலாம் .காலம் வரும் போது உங்கள் எழுத்துக்கள் அதற்கு தகுதியான பெருமையைப் பெறும் .நன்றி!
  
  
  Joe,
  when some one writes in a public forum, he/she should definitely be ready to accept criticism or answer question. That is applicable anyone even if he/she writes in TIMES..
  
  

• From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:24:24 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  NT's palum pazhamum, pava mannippu were all classics compared to all obscure movies like yemanukku yeman, dharma raja, lorry driver etc.. If people gave success that doesnt measure the worthiness of a film..

  
  
  palum pazhamum was 100 days movie and Pava mannipu was silver jublee movie whereas yemanukku yeman, dharma raja, lorry driver were average or flops .So in this case people gave success to worth movies
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:28:37 2006.

  that's what i said thirisoolam was nowhere near to pavamannippu, palum pazhamum ..but it broke all records so do you say it is better that palum pazhamum or pavamannippu ?
  
  

• From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:30:29 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  joe wrote this in nt thread முரளி சிறீனிவாஸ், முட்டாள்கள் கூட்டத்தில் மவுனமாய் இருப்பவன் தான் அறிவாளி என்று ஒரு பழமொழி உண்டு .அடிப்படை தர்க்க ஞானமும் ,நேர்மையான எழுத்தை புரிந்து கொள்ளும் அறிவும் இல்லாத ஒரு கூட்டத்தின் நடுவில் நீங்கள் இவ்வளவு சிரமப்பட்டு நேர்த்தியாக எழுதி பயன் ஒன்றும் இல்லை .அதனால் உங்களுக்கு கிடைத்ததெல்லாம் வசை மாரி தான் .மன வருத்தத்தோடு சொல்லிக் கொள்கிறேன் .உங்கள் எழுத்து இங்கு எழுதப்பட்டு வீணாவதற்கு பதில் நீங்கள் எழுதாமலேயே இருக்கலாம் .காலம் வரும் போது உங்கள் எழுத்துக்கள் அதற்கு தகுதியான பெருமையைப் பெறும் .நன்றி! Joe, when some one writes in a public forum, he/she should definitely be ready to accept criticism or answer question. That is applicable anyone even if he/she writes in TIMES..

  
  
  Rajeshkrv,
  Murali mentioned "I seriously consider whether I should continue this particular thing. Don't know what to decide at this moment" in his last post .So I gave my opinion .
  
  

• From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:32:29 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  that's what i said thirisoolam was nowhere near to pavamannippu, palum pazhamum ..but it broke all records so do you say it is better that palum pazhamum or pavamannippu ?

  
  
  Nobody said like that ..Pls go and read again
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:37:07 2006.

  joe i dont need to read again
  
  you all replied to nakkeeran when he said thirisoolam was not a worth movie
  
  so when you are accepting that it not comparable to NT classics then why you all replied for that and started this?
  
  lot of contradiction ..
  
  

• From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:42:29 2006.

  rajeshkvr,
  Even I said Thirisoolam is not my favourite.
  
  

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  joe i dont need to read again

  
  
  thanks! I don't want argue then.
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:46:19 2006.

  there's no argument here ..
  nakeeran saidthe same but yourreaction was different
  
  

• From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:49:31 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  there's no argument here .. nakeeran saidthe same but yourreaction was different

  
  
  that is your opinion..sorry I can't help
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 21:45:41 2006.

  no body needs your help here ..
  
  

• From: joe on Sat Oct 7 23:33:43 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  no body needs your help here ..

  
  
  
  

• From: rajeshkrv on Sun Oct 8 1:57:53 2006.

  ok chill out. Those emoticons shows what you intend..
  
  now i can understand why you guys were all against Nakkeran
  
  it's of no use raising a question or even saying a opinion to people who have preconcieved notions
  
  

• From: mr_karthik on Sun Oct 8 3:11:05 2006.

  rajeshkrv wrote:

  jilaba, is bringing unnecessary discussion about NAtional award etc.. and if imsai or thirumaran replies, they'll be condemned..

  
  Sorry Mr Rajesh..
  
  If you go through some post back, you can understand, the 'National Award' discussion was started by Mr. Imsai only and not by Mr.Jilaba.
  
  Imsai never thought, Jilaba will give a fitting reply with 'Afro-Asian Award' and 'Chevalier' award, as he rightly said, which could not think by "some other actors" even in dreams.
  
  

• From: Murali Srinivas on Sun Oct 8 11:14:09 2006.

  Nakeeran,
  
  At the very outset let me congratulate you for astutely building up a case when none exixted. You have real "great talent"
  
  you asked me two questions and i have answered the main question in the main thread itself and ofcourse you didn"t ask me the second question but you have made it clear that you are after me.
  
  Your accusation against me can be put in a nutshell
  
  I am not being neutral and I indulge in MGR bashing.
  
  I never said that I am neutral. Even in my post in the NT thread, I had clearly mentioned that I am an avid NT fan and I out and out remain so. But that doesn' t mean that I consider others as less inferior. You may have your own set of heroes, just as I have NT in my mind. No problem. I firmly believe that everybody is entitled to their opinion and I have never questioned or argued with anybody in this regard. To give you examples from NT thread itself. here it is
  
  1. You once critisised Tirusoolam and infact you even used my name that I would not support the movie. Did I react? No because if Tirusoolam is indeed bad for Nakeeran, it is fine. I have no issues.
  
  2. Nilavupriyan talked about over acting and quoted Tirusoolam phone scene. I didn't say anything because NP is entitled to his opinion.
  
  3. Good friend Prabhu Ram once said that he took a liking for NT in the reverse direction in the sense he liked Devar Magan and Mudhal Mariyadhai and he started seeing earlier NT movies. That friend recently remarked that he cannot bring himself to accept Vietnam Veedu and Gouravam because he considered them as overboard. I did not utter a single word again.
  
  In the same manner if indeed I had unknowingly hurt someone, I never hesitated to say sorry. I said sorry to Balaji. I said sorry to Usha. But your post(s) smack of some ulterior motive, which I am unable to understand. In order to paint me black, you are digging my posts made in the months of May- June and accusing me now. If indeed you were peeved by my writings, you could have told this then and there. What stopped you from saying that?
  
  As for as your accusations are concerned, all my friends and fellow hubbers have given apt answers. So I don't want to argue with you again. But let me clarify some points.
  
  The posts that you are quoting are from NT's political innings. So while narrating the political happenings, I was just giving the movie releases on the paralell track with a brief synopsis. That was neither an analysis nor an comparison. When the situation is like this, your accusation is off target. This had been pointed out by most hubbers. I had even derided NT movies and the latest posts contain a note on Maadi veetu Ezhai which I said was a damb squib. You cleverly omitted this. I made fun of Dharma Raja where NT would be shown as Karate exponent. You read my post on Anbe Aruyire. But as MOD had clearly pointed out, you cannot expect myself to think or write what you want me to write.
  
  You accuse me of writing NT attack incident. I am covering the political innings of NT.In the midst of a heated campaign, he is attacked. The ex CM of Tamilnadu by his statement hurts him and his fans. Even there, I used subtle language. Yeah, I agree that I quoted Sange Muzhangu song. Even there, I said the fans of MGR
  would make fun of NT quoting this. In the same post of mine which covered the 80 Jan- June period, I had also described how MGR was attacked at the end of a rally which was conducted to protest against the dismissal of his Government. So for you people,
  writing about one attack is ok, but writing about the other attack on NT is not OK. Good Justice.
  
  Again you cleverly twisted my wordings on MGR not attending the marriages of Ram and Prabhu. It was in the backdrop of world Tamil Conference held at Madurai. What I said was, while all and sundry of Tamil Film world was invited to the conference, NT was not invited. I said this was no wonder because MGR had not even attended the marriage functions of NT's sons. the relation between them was so much strained. This was my message. I don't know what is wrong in this?
  
  One thing, I want to point out here. Unlike 99% of forum hubbers, I have been an active participant of that era. I have seen all in flesh and blood. As once Groucho pointed out, that era was bloody and ruthles. I have been an eye witness to all clashes, both verbal and physical. I have a first hand knowledge of the tussles. combat and what not. I have not even written 10% of what had happened at that time. Because I know that opening of old wounds would do no good to anyone. Even in political innings, I have refrained from commenting on so many things, just for the reason that it would lead to controversies. In the recent post of mine, I purposefully avoided the incident of opening of Liquor shops in TN, which happened on July 1st, 1981. As for as my personal opinion is concerned, that step by MGR, who steadfastly stood for prohibition was a setback to him. Since I had already written that he relaxed prohibition in 1980, I skipped this information.
  
  To cut a long story short, I dont think that I wantonly critisised MGR. What you stand to gain by this accusation, I don't know.
  
  But one Thing. A person accuses me. He says that I should be neutral, be balanced and should not hurt others. Perfectly ok. Such a person who wants me to be like this, should be purity personified. He should be the embodiment of all good virtues. So Friend Nakeeran who claims (rather indirectly) to possess such qualities in abundance, had indulged in two activities in this forum.
  
  Nakeeran standing on the Moral High pedastal issuing sermons to me opened a thread in Indian Films section. The title was
  " Mohanlal is Far Better than Kamal Hassan". Anybody who had gone through the post would know what Nakeeran had written.
  
  Point no 2 is recently Joe opened a thread that spoke about the contributions of MuKa to cinema. There our Great soul went and you know what he did? To borrow the MOD's words, " This is not the place to pour your hatred against Karunanidhi" and the post had been deleted.
  
  This noble soul with such a track record is telling me how to behave. Ithai vida Kodumai ennavendral, this is being supported by some persons.
  
  As Nakeeran had now taken up the cause of MSV in MSV thread, I would like to quote a song tuned by MSV. The Film was "Yarukkum Vetkamillai" directed by Cho. The film which got released in 1975 had a song by KJY. The song was like this
  
  Melum Keezhum Kodugal Podu; Athuthan Oviyam
  Nee sonnal Kaviyam .
  
  In this song there is a saranam
  
  Suttum Viralal ethiriyai Katti Kutram Koorogaiyil ;
  Matrum Moondru Viralgalgal Ungal
  Marbinai Kattuthada
  --------* ; Pirar Kutrathai Maranthu
  Muthugai Paarungal ; Muduginil Irukku
  Ayiram azukku ; Athanai Kazhuvangal
  
  (* I have deleted that particular word because I don't mean that word)
  
  Hope everybody understands
  
  Regards
  
  

• From: Murali Srinivas on Sun Oct 8 11:18:29 2006.

  Groucho, Joe, Saradhaa, Sankara, tac and Jilaba,
  
  Thank you for your support.
  
  Regards
  
  PS: Rajesh, I am pained when even people like you misunderstand. I have never shied away from criticism, but if it is apt and logical. Please go through my posts again.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Oct 8 12:12:52 2006.

  .... and with this we bring all digressions to an end.
  
  a lot of bad blood has flowed from both sides and we really hope that all sides will put the past behind and move on.
  
  in both sivaji and mgr threads. our tolerance level has been stretched severely this time, and further digressions will have to be dealt more severely.