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Digressions - Sivaji thread
Topic started by Nakeeran on Tue Oct 3 13:30:35 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Tue Oct 3 23:02:56 2006. |
From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 3:36:31 2006. |
sankara1970 wrote: |
NT was a busy man till late seventies or mid of eighties. The newcomers to the industry never bothered him or affected his career. B'caz the industry revolved around him-Those who were trying to defeat him only looked his viswaroopam at each stage. Though at times his films failed at box office, the distributors made money in next films. He himself produced films to satisfy himself or help his close friends. He acted in three shifts continuously. When his mother was ill, fellow actresses visited her mother and indeed MGR visited. Such was NT's dedication and he saw to it that the producer was not affected. Also he and MGR started asking distribution rights for A centres. For NT his brothers managed his finances.
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From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 3:49:01 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
Well, Nakkeera...from all those reading I gather this: Those names dominate what had occured and receive more media coverage than our beloved low profile NT. Plus the limelight after 1972 has always been Muka vs MGR / DMK vs ADMK. I think that is why there is less news on NT.
Plus, NT seemed to be more focussed on making films. Look at the number of films he was making in the 70s. One after another...and I find it amazing that he found time for politics at all. That, and he was producing as well.. |
From: joe on Wed Oct 4 4:01:22 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Thriusoolam which doesnt even deserve to cross 50days but it ran well due to sentimental factor that its his 200th movie ! |
From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 5:17:38 2006. |
From: joe on Wed Oct 4 5:32:44 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 5:55:10 2006. |
joe wrote: |
but still NT made it watchable ,just because of his mannerisms and bits and pieces of unique style of acting. |
From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 7:46:33 2006. |
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 4 8:02:00 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 8:14:23 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Ultimately, I am seeing more and more of emotional posts which talk the greener side of NT only . Why this approach was not being followed when you draw a comparison with MGR movies ? |
Nakeeran wrote: |
And there are many posts about MGR’s movies which were commented in a negative manner by Mr. Murali Srinivas .I feel there is a distinctive bias here. Wonder why the same criterion cant be adopted for NT movies also ? ULTIMATELY, CALL A SPADE AS A SPADE |
From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 8:42:55 2006. |
nilavupriyan wrote: |
okok grouch! |
From: saradhaa_sn on Wed Oct 4 8:52:25 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Well Groucho Media coverage & NT lowprofile - I think NT was never seriously pursuing politics but his focus was on art ( movies ) only . And this is the clear diff. bet. NT and MGR . WHile MGR was equally focussed on politics as well and also spread political messages through movies, he attracted more attention. NT, if he had wanted could have also tried vigorously but the big crocodile party like Congress wouldnt have allowed him. Politics was never his cup of tea . |
From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 8:58:46 2006. |
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ON THE DAY BEFORE THIS (I.E.) 14TH, MEENAVA NANBAN WAS RELEASED AND AGAIN CURIOSITY FACTOR (A FILM STARRING CM) PLAYED A GOOD PART IN MAKING THE FILM RUN |
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WE CAN ALSO RECORD HERE THAT THE LAST MOVIE OF MGR (I.E.) MMSP HIT THE SCREENS ON 14.01.1978 AND IT FAILED TO MAKE THE CASH REGISTERS RING. IT RAN MAX 75 DAYS IN MADURAI |
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NAN EN PIRANDHEN - The fans could not digest their hero coming in as a Father of grown up children and without funds etc
( I am just typing a virtual reproduction here ) |
From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 9:09:45 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Thirisoolam is not in my favourite list .But if you say it ran well due to sentimental factor that is his 200th movie ,you made a same side goal .If a movie can break records just because of the sentiment that it is NT's 200th movie ,it proves the power of NT and his range of fan following .isn't it? Btw, the same story was remade again in 80's ,2 sivaji instead of 3 and one prabhu ,'Santhippu' which also a super duper hit silver jublee movie .so what does it mean? |
From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 9:10:03 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Thirisoolam is not in my favourite list .But if you say it ran well due to sentimental factor that is his 200th movie ,you made a same side goal .If a movie can break records just because of the sentiment that it is NT's 200th movie ,it proves the power of NT and his range of fan following .isn't it? Btw, the same story was remade again in 80's ,2 sivaji instead of 3 and one prabhu ,'Santhippu' which also a super duper hit silver jublee movie .so what does it mean? |
From: saradhaa_sn on Wed Oct 4 9:38:44 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Groucho Nice post of yours ! Here is my take on Mr. Murali Srinivas’s some posts on movies and his wordings and my counters on what could have been added KAL THOON – 01.05.1981. THIS WAS A SUCCESSFUL STAGE DRAMA BY MAJOR. THIS WAS MADE INTO A FILM AND MAJOR HIMSELF DIRECTED THE MOVIE. HE SIMPLY TRANSPLANTED THE STORY FROM THE STAGE TO THE SCREEN. IN SPITE OF HAVING TO COMPETE WITH AMARA KAVIYAM RELEASED JUST A WEEK PRIOR, WITH RAJINI/KB THILLU MULLU RELEASED ON THE SAME DAY AND WITH KAMAL’S RAJA PARVAI (RELEASED 3 WEEKS PRIOR), STILL KAL THOON WAS SUCCESSFUL AND COMPLETED 100 DAYS AND CLEARLY SHOWED SAGAPDHANGAL MUDIVATHILAI. The movie might have completed 100 days but I doubt this 100 day mark must have been in Shanti theatre but what I heard was that Major didn’t make much money. Besides, |
From: saradhaa_sn on Wed Oct 4 10:24:17 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
[ Groucho,
This is another classic example of another set of NT fan following . What I wonder is, when NT's focus on quality movies was fading, why the fan clubs and sincere fans didnt take it up with NT himself ?? Definitely he would have given a second thought if they had spoken to him. |
From: joe on Wed Oct 4 10:38:42 2006. |
From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 11:00:00 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Request to All NT fans,
Pls don't discuss with people who has hidden agenda ,delibrately want to spoil this thread ,twisting your statements ,make you waste your time by seriously answering them. Please...please. |
From: Nakeeran on Wed Oct 4 11:04:20 2006. |
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The dawn of New Year 1974 saw the arrival of Sivakamiyin Selvan on Jan 26th. A remake of Aradhana, the most popular Hindi movie of that period, SS still was nice and the songs by MSV were simply superb. The movie, which had a great opening, faltered after 60-70 days mainly due to the negative word of mouth regarding some song sequences, which people felt were sexy. Considering that the director was CVR, it was to be expected, but still the scenes were not accepted |
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Again this was a remake of Shantaram’s Do Ankein Baara Hath (about which you have given a lucid analysis in MGR’s thread) and as you know it was not cut out for a MGR film as it lacked the BO elements. Another point was miscasting. Thengai & VKR as hardcore criminals was hard to digest (Here again because of NIN, MGR refused to take Asokan in). TO MAKE UP FOR THIS, MGR WENT FOR GLAMOUR AND ALL THE THREE DUETS (POI VAA, INDRU SORGATHIN, ENNA SUGAM) HAD A HEAVY DOSE OF GLAMOUR |
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. MGR launched his ADMK (later to change as AIADMK) on Oct 17th and some leaders from DMK like KAKrishnaswami, Nanjil Manoharan joined him. DMK unleashed violence on MGR’s supporters and they retaliated back. Within 3 days of his launching ADMK, MGR released his Idhya Veenai on Oct 20th. THE MOVIE NOT A GREAT ONE WAS CAUGHT IN A TRAP. BECAUSE OF THE LAW & ORDER SITUATION THE CROWDS WERE LESS AND SECONDLY FANS WERE MORE EAGER ON THE POLITICAL ARENA. THE EXPULSION AND SUBSEQUENT LAUNCHING OF THE NEW PARTY HELPED THE MOVIE TO SUSTAIN FOR 100 DAYS |
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In June, July NT had 2 releases. Ponnoonjal was released on 15th June, but since it was in production for long and had a weak story line, it failed to hit it big. The songs were the high points and that helped the film to a certain extent. Engal Thanga Raja hit the screens on 14th July. Produced by Telugu Producer/Director VBRajendra Prasad this was a hit from day 1.It was in this movie that NT extensively used the name of PT & his photo and the fans/congress workers were delighted. In fact the song Kodiyil Oruvan Piranthu Vandhan in the film was very much used when PT passed away. The movie ran up to Deepavali. MGR’s USV was cruising, but his Pattikattu Ponniah (last MGR-JJ film) released on 31st August bombed at the BO |
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The film was slated for release on 12th July 1974 and two days before, in Madurai, DMK people led by Pazhakadai Pandi (who later became the Madurai District Secretary of ADMK) climbed the wall of Chinthamani Talkies, where the movie was charted, after the night show and tore the screen. But the movie managed to get released on the release day itself and theatres all over TN had to put up additional police protection. THE DMK’S PANIC GAVE PUBLICITY TO THE MOVIE AND THIS HELPED TO STRETCH IT FOR 100 DAYS. LEFT TO ITSELF THE MOVIE WOULD HAVE HARDLY MADE AN IMPRESSION BECAUSE THE SONGS WERE THE ONLY SAVING GRACE |
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as all these things were happening in, it was 1972 and nt’s glorious year in cinema was there in centre stage with all majesty. followed by babu in late 1971, 1972 opened with raja (100 days) then gnana oli (100 days) followed by pattikada pattanama (182 days) till may. ON THE OTHER SIDE MGR’S DISASTROUS RUN AT THE BO CONTINUED. IF NEERUM NERUPPUM & ORU THAI MAKKAL IN 1971 FAILED TO MAKE THE CASH REGISTERS RING, WORSE WAS TO FOLLOW WHEN THE FIRST 3 MOVIES IN 1972 NAMELY SANGAE MUZHANGU, NALLA NERAM & RAMAN THEDIA SEETHAI FAILED TO BRING CHEERS TO THE FANS. IN JUNE NAAN EN PIRAENTHEN WAS RELEASED AND AGAIN FANS WERE DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY SAW THEIR HERO BEING A FATHER OF A 10-YEAR-OLD SON IN THE VERY SECOND SCENE ITSELF. in july nt’s dharmam engae (inspired from an english movie) was released and it was the only movie of nt in 1972 that did not run for 100 days and could do only 50 days |
From: rajeshkrv on Wed Oct 4 14:10:28 2006. |
From: NOV on Wed Oct 4 20:34:06 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Wed Oct 4 23:10:59 2006. |
From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 0:06:00 2006. |
From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 0:22:27 2006. |
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as all these things were happening in, it was 1972 and nt’s glorious year in cinema was there in centre stage with all majesty. followed by babu in late 1971, 1972 opened with raja (100 days) then gnana oli (100 days) followed by pattikada pattanama (182 days) till may. ON THE OTHER SIDE MGR’S DISASTROUS RUN AT THE BO CONTINUED. IF NEERUM NERUPPUM & ORU THAI MAKKAL IN 1971 FAILED TO MAKE THE CASH REGISTERS RING, WORSE WAS TO FOLLOW WHEN THE FIRST 3 MOVIES IN 1972 NAMELY SANGAE MUZHANGU, NALLA NERAM & RAMAN THEDIA SEETHAI FAILED TO BRING CHEERS TO THE FANS. IN JUNE NAAN EN PIRAENTHEN WAS RELEASED AND AGAIN FANS WERE DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY SAW THEIR HERO BEING A FATHER OF A 10-YEAR-OLD SON IN THE VERY SECOND SCENE ITSELF. in july nt’s dharmam engae (inspired from an english movie) was released and it was the only movie of nt in 1972 that did not run for 100 days and could do only 50 days |
From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 1:38:16 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: | ||
Nakeeran, synonymous with the one who fought with Siva(ji) in Thiruvilaydal. By mid seventies, our god NT had already shown to the world what is acting. He didn't have to prove to the world his acting his skills or Box office successes. Do u mean he has to sit at home? He is such a dedicated artist that he acted and kept himself busy. He was busy even when his grand children (Kamal) came to act. Kamal, Rajini fame didn't affect NT. He was not ousted like Gemini or MGR who realised it is not possible to fight in cinema with great NT. That is why NT is Mudisooda Mannan of Tamil Cinema. Sankara You are saying this purely out of affinity on NT but the fact was that right from the mid 70s, the 2 younger generation stars Rajini and Kamal changed the course of tamil cinema. What also followed was Isainyani , Barathiraja, Bagyaraj, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra - all brought in fresh air to the tamil cinema. While I have been regularly going through all the posts in this thread, I am also parallelly checking with my elders who are peers to Mr. Murali and other seniors here. And what they all convey is that Rajini and Kamal were the strong force right from the mid 70s. Again, this is not to denounce NT in any way. He was already an upper middle aged man by that time. Apart from that he paired with stars like Sridevi, Sripriya , some Srilankan stars etc were not received in good taste by the Shivaji fans themselves . From late 70s, Shivaji was not a market leader . The movies which Mr. Murali Srinivas is highlighting from the late 70s are not really great ones but I am sure Mr. Murali is just giving an account to highlight the movies that he acted and how many days they ran. I am stunned by the account that Thirusoolam ran for record number of days and it exceeded in collection. A TRUE SHIVAJI FAN WILL NEVER SEE A MOVIE LIKE THIRUSOOLAM. Which had no elements of NT in that. IMO, if Mudhal mariyadhai had run for 300 days, its commendable but not Thriusoolam which doesnt even deserve to cross 50days but it ran well due to sentimental factor that its his 200th movie ! Clearly , the storyline was not that great , the role of Shivaji was not sound when compared what he got in the 60s ( the great Bhimsingh series and APN series ) IMO, the Shivaji era was over by the mid 70s itself . He was just appearing in some movies but seeing those movies , one can easily conclude that he was not at his best. Finally a Mudhal mariyadhai, Devar Magan only could redeem his class but that was again momentary You check with anyone who is at the age group of early 50s and they will confirm that Shivaji movies of the late 70s were ridiculed like anything . My earnest appeal here is YOU ARE ALL SHIVAJI FANS. TRUE. but please just dont try to glorify all his acts . Also be critical of his negative aspects. The late 70s was one such. I dont know , how many will jump on me now |
From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 2:02:14 2006. |
From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 2:07:18 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Request to All NT fans,
Pls don't discuss with people who has hidden agenda ,delibrately want to spoil this thread ,twisting your statements ,make you waste your time by seriously answering them. Please...please. |
From: saradhaa_sn on Thu Oct 5 5:33:54 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Request to All NT fans,
Pls don't discuss with people who has hidden agenda ,delibrately want to spoil this thread ,twisting your statements ,make you waste your time by seriously answering them. Please...please. |
From: groucho070 on Thu Oct 5 5:46:27 2006. |
From: saradhaa_sn on Thu Oct 5 6:26:58 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: | ||
Sankara You are saying this purely out of affinity on NT but the fact was that right from the mid 70s, the 2 younger generation stars Rajini and Kamal changed the course of tamil cinema. What also followed was Isainyani , Barathiraja, Bagyaraj, Mahendran, Balu Mahendra - all brought in fresh air to the tamil cinema. |
From: sankara1970 on Thu Oct 5 7:53:07 2006. |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 8:52:38 2006. |
NOV wrote: |
Nakeeran - Murali is not Nakkeeran to think like you. I find this notion of "Murali did not say this, Murali did not say that" totally absurd. If you have anything worthwhile to say, please do so. We certainly don't need someone to go over others' posts and evaluate what must have been running through thier minds when they made it!
Please end all digressions now. If you have any complaints forward to the Mods. |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 8:54:53 2006. |
groucho070 wrote: |
I second this.
Go for it, Nakkeera. I know you can do it. You da man. |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 9:09:37 2006. |
sankara1970 wrote: |
Is Nakeeran aged 30 or less or is he hired for maked these comments.
When Anjal Petti 520 was released, NT received critism letters from fans. When Thirudan film was released(always new fans club will start whenever new film is released)-NT was careful thereafter with names of films There are many films NT acted where the other actor/actress had better role. But it is NT's character and humbleness that he underplayed his character. Nan Vaza Vaipen, Iruvar Ullam, and many. He made films and his films can divided into many types. For the nation, for affection, for devotion. for love, for comedy, for action, for friends, for helping others, for his own production, and so on. He is the one who balanced everything. He was involved in story discussions, songs selection right from earlier days. How many films succeed now (e.g Kamal) or any damn actor- who can make experiment? Sivaji did. He used different hair styles for every movie. He succeeded and he is in our heart. |
From: saradhaa_sn on Thu Oct 5 10:14:31 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 10:24:45 2006. |
saradhaa_sn wrote: |
Dear Nakeeran......
You gave somany links, about what we, Shivaji fans mentioned about MGR. But I want to remember you, after a a great fight was done before, in another 'Shivaji Digression' thread (which is locked now) by NT fans like Murali, Groucho, Sankara, Joe, me and Karthik with you, Thirumaran, Nilavupriyan etc... the problem was brought to the end by locking that thread. After that we self promissed not to mention about the "three lettered" star in any of our posts, and maintaining the promiss. But now you are again digging the previous matters and making it as a big issue. |
From: raaja_rasigan on Thu Oct 5 10:36:31 2006. |
nilavupriyan wrote: |
NT'S movies in 80's are not only bad ...but also had a bad acting! |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 10:37:06 2006. |
saradhaa_sn wrote: |
Dear Nakeeran......
You gave somany links, about what we, Shivaji fans mentioned about MGR. But I want to remember you, after a a great fight was done before, in another 'Shivaji Digression' thread (which is locked now) by NT fans like Murali, Groucho, Sankara, Joe, me and Karthik with you, Thirumaran, Nilavupriyan etc... the problem was brought to the end by locking that thread. After that we self promissed not to mention about the "three lettered" star in any of our posts, and maintaining the promiss. But now you are again digging the previous matters and making it as a big issue. |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 10:44:33 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran. Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam, Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu |
From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 10:45:23 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran.
Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam, Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu |
From: ajithfederer on Thu Oct 5 11:08:41 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Exactly! Pls don't waste your time with Nakeeran. Thoonguravana ezhupiddalam, Aana thoongura maathiri nadikuravana ezhuppave mudiyaathu |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:09:21 2006. |
imsai wrote: | ||
Digression thread so we can now talk about this. What do you mean by wasting time? How rude that is. He has valid points for which you all have no answers. So all of a sudden, you call others ignorant, -30 aged and blah blah. Plz try to live upto the hype you create by saying NT fans are sensible and other blahs. Can't a person aged twenties be more knowledgeable than a person in his 40s? |
From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 11:19:05 2006. |
joe wrote: |
What do you guys want from us ?
Nobody talked about your SAINT after you guys made a huge cry previously ..This nakeeran has some selective amnesia or what ? suddently digging everything again and asking the same question and spoil NT thread ..Do you guys put a schedule to spoil NT thread for every fixed intervel of time ? Now what do you want man ? Accepted nakeeran has more knowledge than Murali .is it enough for you ? Will you leave us peacefully ,we will talk about NT only ,not a single word about YOUR SAINT. All right |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:29:08 2006. |
imsai wrote: | ||
I'm more than 1000 days younger than you but see, I'm still cool, relaxed and conscious. I want NEUTRALITY. I don't want anybody to attack other good artists. I don't cry for artists. Let me remind you a time when you were crying in NT thread that people forgot NT and have no respect for him and bay thambi had to pat on your shoulder. I have no agenda. My agenda is your agenda. If you could tell us when you all will directly or indirectly attack MGR, I will be here. I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism. Why do all NT fans feel insecure when it comes to MGR? Not now. When you're cool and relaxed, you may reply. . |
From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 11:37:53 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Anna..unga imsai thaanga mudiyalla..
//I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism.// Go to MGR thread and check who made more posts glorifying MGR ? You or me ? You guys only can't tolerate NT thread is going strong with lots of NT fans contributing .So You and Nakeeran wanted to spoil and bring bad reputation to NT thread ..Plain and simple. |
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You guys only can't tolerate NT thread is going strong with lots of NT fans contributing .So You and Nakeeran wanted to spoil and bring bad reputation to NT thread ..Plain and simple. |
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 5 11:40:46 2006. |
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I want NEUTRALITY. I don't want anybody to attack other good artists. I don't cry for artists. |
From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 11:44:04 2006. |
Nerd wrote: |
Sorry to interrupt, but couldnt refrain from posting.
Boy, how many times have u done that and u talking about neutrality Remember your ajith/vijay clashes... or even sometimes RK/KH clashes.. Now dont jump on me, am no saint either but I m not talking like YOU!! |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 11:47:48 2006. |
imsai wrote: | ||
Nobody is unbiased here. yes I'm biased, you're biased and is everybody. Neutrality-from MODS only. How can a mod delete a post which he does not like?. They leave the message that ridicule MGR and not the ones that are against NT. If I want neutrality from everybody, I must reply to everypost in the hub GTG.. will check later |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:48:02 2006. |
From: villan007 on Thu Oct 5 11:50:43 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
The moderators have promptly deleted my posts and Thirumaran's which strongly condmned needless criticism of MGR in a NT thread . while they have still retained those chiding posts of Saradha Mam and Murali Srinivas. |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 11:51:40 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Imsai Anna,
Joke adikkurena ? neenga kuttikaraname adikkureenga Meedum meedum imsai pannama puthusa ethaavathu soolunga. keeral vizuntha record maathiri eththanai thadava sonnathaiye sollittu irupeenga |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 11:56:52 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
Neutrality-from MODS only. How can a mod delete a post which he does not like?. |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:04:42 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Because, I saw you many times ridiculing me by calling NARADHAR NAKEE etc which A MODERATOR will not do such ? |
From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 12:06:40 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Yes ,I called you 'Narathar' once ,I still beleive You are a narathar by making kalagam whereever you go in this hub.
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From: imsai on Thu Oct 5 12:10:22 2006. |
joe wrote: |
Imsai Anna,
Joke adikkurena ? neenga kuttikaraname adikkureenga Meedum meedum imsai pannama puthusa ethaavathu soolunga. keeral vizuntha record maathiri eththanai thadava sonnathaiye sollittu irupeenga |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:12:31 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
By the way, If I call you a JOKE, what are the consequences? |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:18:23 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
eppo paarthaalum, nadigar thilagam..everest, he's in our heart.. ignorance is bliss |
From: Nakeeran on Thu Oct 5 12:19:20 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Yes ,I called you 'Narathar' once ,I still beleive You are a narathar by making kalagam whereever you go in this hub. what is this 'Nakee' ? Prove me where did I call you like this ? |
From: ajithfederer on Thu Oct 5 12:27:42 2006. |
joe wrote: |
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Moreover ,I can have my own arguements as a hubber ,not MOD ..If you have any problem ,report to other MODS. For me,Being a NT fan is more important than being a MOD |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 12:28:03 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
I wish AS A MODERATOR, YOU MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM in coining words AS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SET AN EXAMPLE to youngsters like us . |
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no way upset by your sly remarks that I am a NARADHA because all Naradhar kalagam can only end with NANMAI . |
From: rajeshkrv on Thu Oct 5 15:36:38 2006. |
From: joe on Thu Oct 5 21:18:55 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
Whatever nakkeeran raised here is not evaluation but a request.. |
From: Movie Cop on Fri Oct 6 2:35:31 2006. |
joe wrote: |
After that we NT fans never compare MGR with NT and we have been discussing only on NT .But suddently Nakeeran came and raised the same old issue and digging the same old posts. This clearly shows he had a hidden agenda to spoil the NT thread.Funny ,he even instructed How murali should express his views .Once they blamed we brought MGR unnessarly .Whether accepted or not ,we stoped bringing MGR .Now he has no reason to spoil NT thread |
From: Hulkster on Fri Oct 6 2:41:33 2006. |
From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 3:21:54 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
It is request or protest ,it was made few weeks ago by some hubbers and it was accepted and same kind of diggression thread was created before .After that we NT fans never compare MGR with NT and we have been discussing only on NT .But suddently Nakeeran came and raised the same old issue and digging the same old posts. This clearly shows he had a hidden agenda to spoil the NT thread.Funny ,he even instructed How murali should express his views .Once they blamed we brought MGR unnessarly .Whether accepted or not ,we stoped bringing MGR .Now he has no reason to spoil NT thread ,so He now blame Murali that his critisism on NT movies not as much as he expected . He acts like a innocent ,but surely we can see his bad intension here. Eththanai kaalam thaan yemaatruvar intha naatile! |
From: saradhaa_sn on Fri Oct 6 3:26:57 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
I want NEUTRALITY. I don't want anybody to attack other good artists. I don't cry for artists. I have no agenda. My agenda is your agenda. If you could tell us when you all will directly or indirectly attack MGR, I will be here. I'm not against your eulogy on NT but against the anti-MGRism. Why do all NT fans feel insecure when it comes to MGR? Not now. When you're cool and relaxed, you may reply. . |
From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 3:34:02 2006. |
From: groucho070 on Fri Oct 6 3:51:16 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Let us end this needless arguments . And dont for heaven's sake list the successful movies of Shivaji from the mid 70s. They are not worth to cross 50 days. I would have been more happier if Kappalotiya thamizan or a good movie ran for 100 days |
From: joe on Fri Oct 6 3:58:58 2006. |
saradhaa_sn wrote: |
If you want, you mention the name of Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Thiru Karunanidhi etc, BUT NOT THE NAME OF "...........". please. |
From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 4:10:10 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
.You are right! They don't even want his name to be mentioned . If they think Murali didn't elobrate the reasons behind success of SAINT movies ,why don't they do it themselves in their SAINT thread instead of blaming a NT fan for not doing so? Atleast Tfmlover and imsai are more open ,express their intension ,but this Nakeeran ridiculing NT (even his last post here) ,but act as a innocent and pius in the name of using nice words ..We already studied 'Vanja pugazhchi' at school ,not expecting Nakeeran to teach us. |
From: saradhaa_sn on Fri Oct 6 4:12:54 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Let us end this needless arguments . And dont for heaven's sake list the successful movies of Shivaji from the mid 70s. They are not worth to cross 50 days. I would have been more happier if Kappalotiya thamizan or a good movie ran for 100 days |
From: joe on Fri Oct 6 4:15:43 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Joe calling me NARADHA Nakee |
From: joe on Fri Oct 6 4:21:47 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
You are one of the rationale hubbers around here and I love reading your posts . |
From: groucho070 on Fri Oct 6 4:31:32 2006. |
joe wrote: | ||
Aha ! Groucho, Kavanama irunga .Nakeeran sir muthalla ippadi thaan solluvar .athukku meaning ungala neram paarthu kavukka avar ready ayittarunnu arththam |
From: Jilaba on Fri Oct 6 9:46:03 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
i find everyone targetting nakkeeran which is wrong.
He raised a point saying why unnecessarily pulling MGR in this thread ..when we discuss about shivaji. There are 100 aspects of shivaji which we can focus and discuss rather than explaining why a obscure movie failed etc. This is my humble opinion and as some body said AGE doesnt matter.. I'm not old enough but from my childhood i was interested in old films and songs and i have kept track of most of them .. So AGE doesnt have to do with history or stuff like that and everyone knew about MGR- shivaji rival in the movies but in the real life they were brothers .. so let us also take it in a professional way .. Whatever nakkeeran raised here is not evaluation but a request.. I dont know the reason behind a group formation against nakkeeran |
From: tacinema on Fri Oct 6 10:39:13 2006. |
From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 11:05:55 2006. |
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1. You said Thirisoolam did not deserve the win that it had. Why are you so much again Thirisoolam? It is not a bad movie; it has got some finest moments of NT's acting. The movie has got all required ingradients to satisfy his fans and common public and it became a block buster. Believe me, the sentimental factor will not make a hit movie, leave alone the block buster run. So, your point of ridiculing thirisoolam really does not cut the ice and I consider it as your ignorance. |
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2. You advised NT fans to be critical of his negative aspects. A good advise, but we are already doing that job. Didn't you see Mr. Murali and Saradha madam ridiculing NT's movies such as Lorry driver rajakannu, pattakathi bairavan, and so on? So, again, you are acting too smart and advising NT fans, who are already doing that fine job. |
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3. At some point, for Sivakamiyin Selvan, you compared Sivaji with Rajesh Kanna, and said Rajesh Khanna was more handsome and refreshing. First of all, there is an age difference between Rajesh Khanna and NT and NT did his best in the movie. Do you want a young and refreshing NT? Have you seen movies like vasantha maaligai, deiva magan (younger son), and Raja? I can give you tons of movies where NT looks not only handsome, but also very sophisticated. You need to keep in mind, NT is a legend in his own way and ruled TF for over 35 years. By comparing NT with Rajesh Khanna, you are hurting NT fans to the core and you need to stop this crap |
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4. You are saying that MGR is being degraded in NT's forum. This is simply not true. Didn't you see Saradha madam gave a list of MGR movies, which beat NT's collection and vice versa? Again, she praised and highlighted MGR's generous donations, who during his b-day celebration used to donate money to a lot of poor people. Even MGR fans may not remember these facts. In addition, time and again, Mr. Murali compiled a list of MGR movies and concluded that they had a better run. Even MGR fans (if you are one) in this forum may not know these facts. The very fact that NT fans bringing them out shows we are very neutral in presenting the fact. But again, as Saradha rightly said: "Unmai kasakkum". We brought out some of the comments that MGR made during his political campaign, which are totally indecent and against NT. So, obviously, NT fans in the forum were outraged and vent out their feelings. Again, it was a mistake from MGR part to target NT and I see no reason why you should get annoyed due to these discussions. The very fact that NT did not hit back MGR shows the decency from NT part and we are proud of our idol behavior and character. Again, let me tell you, it is an universal fact that truth prevails and "unmai kasakkum". So, I tell you that except some stray incidents, MGR fame was not degraded in NT's thread, in fact MGR was many time praised in the thread. We all know MGR's charisma and fame and in the similar fashion, you know NT's greatness and you should learn to appreciate him. You agree with me or not, but NT is one of the finest actors that India produced |
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5. You are just bashing NT. If you read Mr. Murali's or Saradha madam's writings, they have praised MGR in many instances. For example, Saradha has written a beautiful review of MGR's movie: Naan Yen Pirandhen. You should learn something from both of them. Try to praise NT and appreciate some of his characters. There are tons of unique and amazing characters that NT has played very successfully; you won't find difficult to pick some of them and praise him. Have a positive view on NT; you owe a lot to NT's achievements, especially from all tamil speaking people |
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6. Often, MGR fans bring the point that NT is a failure in politics. We know that fact and we never wanted NT in politics. To succeed in politics, you need to have a specific mindset; we know NT did not have that mindset and he failed. But that no way affected our affection towards NT. So, it is advisable that other actor fans stop bringing these avoidable points. |
From: selvakumar on Fri Oct 6 11:39:47 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 12:21:39 2006. |
selvakumar wrote: |
Friends,
Let us stop this Makkal Thilagam Vs Nadigar Thilagm Ratham varuthu ! Both are legends with their own share of BLOCKBUSTERS, HITS, SUPERHITS and flops ! Let us stop comparing the legends who were different in everything ! |
From: Nakeeran on Fri Oct 6 12:25:28 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 12:28:23 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Bay Area and Selva Sir
Well . I started the day with TRUCE and declared it as a mark of respect for both the legends. triggering posts from others which makes me answer to them And as usual , they are calling me by names. I am already focussed now our Puratchi thalaivar thread now |
From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 6 12:30:16 2006. |
m_23_bayarea wrote: |
EXACTLY !! This is not 1966 folks, it's 2006 !! |
From: imsai on Fri Oct 6 12:35:21 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
Bay Area and Selva Sir
Well . I started the day with TRUCE and declared it as a mark of respect for both the legends. Its recurring triggering posts from others which makes me answer to them And as usual , they are calling me by names. I am already focussed now our Puratchi thalaivar thread now |
From: imsai on Fri Oct 6 12:45:46 2006. |
From: S.Balaji on Fri Oct 6 14:12:53 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 14:14:47 2006. |
S.Balaji wrote: |
Both are genius beyond doubt and lets respect both From now, let there be harmony and friendship between 2 fans |
From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 6 15:45:51 2006. |
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 6 16:03:50 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
Not only in this thread, in some other threads too several saying the same. We can always give reply for any questions. If anyone dont like someone's post, they can stay away from them instead of making a compaign stating not to respond to his/her posts publicly. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
Luckily Nakeeran is taking things lightly. |
From: imsai on Fri Oct 6 19:35:40 2006. |
Thirumaran wrote: |
Well said balaji
Also, As Nakeeran pointed when all the digression on NT were deleted by mods in NT Thread, the negative comments on MGR which started digression were still remaining. And I feel it is very unfortunate that some hubbers making wrong impressions on Nakeeran. Several were pointing not to respond to his posts and trying to separate him from others. |
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Luckily Nakeeran is taking things lightly. |
From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 7:38:45 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: | ||
TACINEMA
Sir, Neenga Eppa Thirusoolam patri positive review kodukureengalo appave enakku purindhu vittadhu . THE MAIN REASON WHY NT MOVIES FROM THE MID 70S were not so impressive. ITS THE KIND OF FANS WHO DESTROYED HIS IMAGE. So, you are admiring that 3rd Shivaji character who partnered with Sripriya and danced for the song ADI RAJATHI VARUNGADI . and played a romantic youth role Terrific fan following ! |
From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 8:00:54 2006. |
Nakeeran wrote: |
TACINEMA
Neenga kurippitta Saradha Madam post , I have given the link for your kind perusal : http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4962&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=915 pavam Saradha Madam, enna thonicho avangallukku, udane andha postai remove pannittu ippo verum SIRIPPU ( Asattu sirippunu ninaikuren ) edit seidhulargal. |
From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 8:10:44 2006. |
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ஒருவேளை நக்கீரனின் கோபத்துக்கு காரணம் இப்படி இருக்குமோ?. எம்ஜியாரின் படங்களிலேயே மிகச்சிறந்த வசூல் பெற்ற படமாகிய 'உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன்' படத்தின் வசூலை 'திரிசூலம்' முறியடித்து விட்டதே என்ற கோபமாக் இருக்குமோ என்னவோ. |
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அப்படியே பார்தாலும் உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன் படத்தில் மட்டும் புதுமையாக என்ன இருந்தது, வெளிநாடுகளில் படமாக்கப்பட்டது என்பதைத் தவிர?. அதன் முழுப்பலனும் ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் ராமமூர்த்திக்கும், இசையமைப்ப்பாளர் எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதனுக்கும் தான் உரியது. கதையைப் பொறுத்தவரை, டைட்டிலில் 'எம்ஜியார் பிக்சர்ஸ் கதை இலாக்கா' என்று போட்டிருப்பார்கள். ஆனால் முழுக்க முழுக்க (ரவிச்சந்திரன், ஜெயலலிதா நடித்த) "மூன்றெழுத்து" என்ற படத்தின் அப்பட்டமான காப்பி. இதில் என்ன பெருமை புதுமை இருக்கிறது?. |
From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 8:19:27 2006. |
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எம்ஜியாரின் வள்ளல் தன்மையைப் பற்றி சகோதரி சாரதா எழுதியதை (அவர் நீக்குவதற்கு முன்னர்) நானும் படித்தேன். ஆனால் அவர் எழுதியதை ஒரு எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர் கூட பாராட்டவில்லை. நான் கூட நினைத்தேன். ஒரு சிவாஜி ரசிகையாக இருந்து கொண்டு, எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர்கள் பலருக்கே தெரியாத விஷயங்களை எல்லாம் எழுதுகிறாரே என்று.
ஆனால் 'எம்ஜியார் - நம்பியார் - பந்துலு' சம்பவத்தைப்பற்றி இவ்வளவு ஞாபகமாக நினைவு வைத்து தாக்கும் நக்கீரனுக்கு, எம்ஜியாரை பற்றி சாரதா உயர்த்தி எழுதிய கட்டுரையைப் பாராட்ட மனம் வரவில்லை. அதன் பிறகு நடந்த எம்ஜியார் ரசிகர்கள் - சிவாஜி ரசிகர்கள் மோதலில் ஒருவேளை அவர் மனம் வெதும்பிப் போய் அவர் அதை நீக்கியிருக்க வேண்டும் (சாரி.. சாரதா மேடம். உண்மையான காரணத்தை நீங்கள்தான் சொல்ல வேண்டும்). |
From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 8:32:09 2006. |
S.Balaji wrote: |
Joe, Groucho and Saro
Nakeeran's view point may look odd to you and me or he may be raking up an old issue but the fact remains that there were posts indirectly targetted at MGR All the MGR fans want is to view others without prejudice. I dont find anything wrong in that argument. If you all view the criticism from a MGR fan point of view, you will feel the pinch. Infact, I felt the pinch and was hurt I am the culprit having asked Murali Anna to write about the political innings of NT which I realized soon that NT had played very little political innings. For a lengthyduration, the 2 greats MGR and M.K. were dominating . I cautioned and pleaded twice to you all to shun from commenting about Makkal thilagam but the skirmishes continued. |
From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 8:45:07 2006. |
imsai wrote: | ||||
MGR was the superstar of the era. Now NT fans are jealous and can't tolerate the success MGR had What's the reason behind ridiculing MGR then? jealousy and hatred
The over-actor can't do anything So how about going back to the over-actor's thread and start shooting? |
From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 9:12:18 2006. |
Jilaba wrote: |
'உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபன்' வசூலை 'திரிசூலம்' எல்லா ஊர்களிலும் முறியடித்து விட்டது என்ற உண்மையையும்,
"மூன்றெழுத்து" படத்தின் கதையின் காப்பிதான் உ.சு.வா. என்ற உண்மையையும் மறுக்க முடியாமல் நீங்கள் திணறுவது நன்றாக தெரிகிறது. |
From: Jilaba on Sat Oct 7 9:28:53 2006. |
imsai wrote: |
ungalukku oru fact solla aavaludan irukiREn. sivaji avargaludaiya paNathukku minjiya nadippaal oru thEsiya viruthu kuuda vaanga mudiyavillae.. ithu thaan MGR meethu ungaludaiya kOpaththukku kaaraNamaa? |
From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 9:36:18 2006. |
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எம்ஜியார் 1971ல் (ஒன்று பட்ட தி.மு.க.வில் இருந்தபோது. இந்திராவிடம் கருணாநிதியின் சிபாரிசில்) வாங்கியது தேசிய விருது. |
From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 9:39:09 2006. |
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பாவம் உங்க ஆள் இவற்றையெல்லாம் கனவில் கூட நினைத்துப் பார்க்க முடியாது. |
From: joe on Sat Oct 7 13:21:30 2006. |
From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 13:46:44 2006. |
From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:13:20 2006. |
From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:21:00 2006. |
From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:24:24 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
NT's palum pazhamum, pava mannippu were all classics compared to all obscure movies like yemanukku yeman, dharma raja, lorry driver etc.. If people gave success that doesnt measure the worthiness of a film.. |
From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:28:37 2006. |
From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:30:29 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
joe wrote this in nt thread
முரளி சிறீனிவாஸ், முட்டாள்கள் கூட்டத்தில் மவுனமாய் இருப்பவன் தான் அறிவாளி என்று ஒரு பழமொழி உண்டு .அடிப்படை தர்க்க ஞானமும் ,நேர்மையான எழுத்தை புரிந்து கொள்ளும் அறிவும் இல்லாத ஒரு கூட்டத்தின் நடுவில் நீங்கள் இவ்வளவு சிரமப்பட்டு நேர்த்தியாக எழுதி பயன் ஒன்றும் இல்லை .அதனால் உங்களுக்கு கிடைத்ததெல்லாம் வசை மாரி தான் .மன வருத்தத்தோடு சொல்லிக் கொள்கிறேன் .உங்கள் எழுத்து இங்கு எழுதப்பட்டு வீணாவதற்கு பதில் நீங்கள் எழுதாமலேயே இருக்கலாம் .காலம் வரும் போது உங்கள் எழுத்துக்கள் அதற்கு தகுதியான பெருமையைப் பெறும் .நன்றி! Joe, when some one writes in a public forum, he/she should definitely be ready to accept criticism or answer question. That is applicable anyone even if he/she writes in TIMES.. |
From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:32:29 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
that's what i said thirisoolam was nowhere near to pavamannippu, palum pazhamum ..but it broke all records so do you say it is better that palum pazhamum or pavamannippu ? |
From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:37:07 2006. |
From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:42:29 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
joe i dont need to read again
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From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 14:46:19 2006. |
From: joe on Sat Oct 7 14:49:31 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
there's no argument here ..
nakeeran saidthe same but yourreaction was different |
From: rajeshkrv on Sat Oct 7 21:45:41 2006. |
From: joe on Sat Oct 7 23:33:43 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
no body needs your help here .. |
From: rajeshkrv on Sun Oct 8 1:57:53 2006. |
From: mr_karthik on Sun Oct 8 3:11:05 2006. |
rajeshkrv wrote: |
jilaba, is bringing unnecessary discussion about NAtional award etc..
and if imsai or thirumaran replies, they'll be condemned.. |
From: Murali Srinivas on Sun Oct 8 11:14:09 2006. |
From: Murali Srinivas on Sun Oct 8 11:18:29 2006. |
From: NOV on Sun Oct 8 12:12:52 2006. |