Best Director
Thread started by MADDY on 3rd May 2007 11:55 AM
would like to know, who is the best director according to our hubbers and who wins this poll.......not a easy choice to make dudes
Responses:
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From: swathy on 3rd May 2007 11:56 AM [Full View]
vandhittangaiya vandhittangaiya
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 11:58 AM [Full View]
swathykka summa vote pannunga ........
MODS - i added selvaraghavan - but its not reflecting in the poll options
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From: swathy on 3rd May 2007 11:59 AM [Full View]
y no cheran & selvaraghavan?
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 11:59 AM [Full View]
Maddy,
Unga avatar-la irukkiravara vittuteenga paatheengala?
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From: P_R on 3rd May 2007 12:00 PM [Full View]
Re: Best Director
MADDY isn't the list too broad ? Comparing Sridhar and Ameer ellAm eppidi mudiyum ?
Originally Posted by MADDY
would like to know, who is the best director according to our hubbers and who wins this poll.......not a easy choice to make dudes
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From: selvakumar on 3rd May 2007 12:01 PM [Full View]
Mahendran
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 12:03 PM [Full View]
Veera Pandiya Kattabomman, Karnan,kappalottiya Thamizhan ,Ayirathil Oruvan etc edutha B.R.Bhandulu ,ever 10 list-la kooda illiyaapa ?
allathu Tamil cinema history sridhar-la irunthu thaan aarampikkutha?
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From: megam on 3rd May 2007 12:04 PM [Full View]
The title says who is the best director ever in director but in polls u have just 9. where is bheem singh?
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 12:04 PM [Full View]
Re: Best Director
yeah PR.....it is tuf.....but not impossible..... Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
MADDY isn't the list too broad ? Comparing Sridhar and Ameer ellAm eppidi mudiyum ? Originally Posted by MADDY
would like to know, who is the best director according to our hubbers and who wins this poll.......not a easy choice to make dudes
just wanted to see who has ppl.'s confidence cutting across generations......
.....infact, after "movie of week - Kadhalikka neramilla" thread, i think we have perfect mixture of youth and experience in this hub 
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From: selvakumar on 3rd May 2007 12:04 PM [Full View]
It would be better IF we remove the POLLS & start discussing about ALL THE DIRECTORS.
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From: selvakumar on 3rd May 2007 12:05 PM [Full View]
I think a |||ar thread was started by JOE sometime back..
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 12:08 PM [Full View]
sorry joe, i just picked the best from their generations.......i thot sridhar was a revolution those days...... Originally Posted by joe
Veera Pandiya Kattabomman, Karnan,kappalottiya Thamizhan ,Ayirathil Oruvan etc edutha B.R.Bhandulu ,ever 10 list-la kooda illiyaapa ? allathu Tamil cinema history sridhar-la irunthu thaan aarampikkutha? .......even my fav Shankar is absent as he falls under Maniratnam era..... 
joe, pls feel free to add anyone sir....with a minimum criteria of 4 films and one "change" to their name.....
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 12:10 PM [Full View]
'Pa' or 'Ba' varisai Directors Originally Posted by selvakumar
I think a |||ar thread was started by JOE sometime back..
http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=9125
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From: P_R on 3rd May 2007 12:10 PM [Full View]
Artists , atleast good ones, build up on the efforts of their predecessors. KB would not have been possible without Sridhar. BhArathiraja takes the best out of KB's visual storytelling style and increased the emphasis manifold. MR can't stop singing paens to BArathiraja and Mahendran. So no vote for one would be a vote against the other. It would rather be a vote for all before.
Having said that, I'd vote the one filmmaker who seems to understand the whole point and strives to achieve a balance between content presented and quality of presentation. He's not in your list
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From: megam on 3rd May 2007 12:10 PM [Full View]
very good suggestion Originally Posted by selvakumar
It would be better IF we remove the POLLS & start discussing about ALL THE DIRECTORS.
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 12:12 PM [Full View]
It is OK Maddy..Just wanted to point out we always forget legends like B.R.Bandulu ,A.P.Nagarajan (Thiruvilyadal ,thillana mohanambal) ,Beemsingh. Originally Posted by MADDY
sorry joe, i just picked the best from their generations.......i thot sridhar was a revolution those days...... Originally Posted by joe
Veera Pandiya Kattabomman, Karnan,kappalottiya Thamizhan ,Ayirathil Oruvan etc edutha B.R.Bhandulu ,ever 10 list-la kooda illiyaapa ? allathu Tamil cinema history sridhar-la irunthu thaan aarampikkutha? .......even my fav Shankar is absent as he falls under Maniratnam era.....
joe, pls feel free to add anyone sir....with a minimum criteria of 4 films and one "change" to their name.....
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 12:14 PM [Full View]
no selva, i think , we do need this poll to get a "definitve" answer from hubbers......its once-for-all...... Originally Posted by selvakumar
It would be better IF we remove the POLLS & start discussing about ALL THE DIRECTORS.
PR, r u talking abt Kamal???
....if so, he doesnt meet my minimum criteria of "bringing a change in tamil cinema".........
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From: P_R on 3rd May 2007 12:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
I guess it is best to let him be with his resume of tedious, run-of-the-mill films that haven't made the slightest ripple, either technically or artistically in Tamil film history.
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 12:39 PM [Full View]
hey, as a actor/story-writer - he has not just caused ripples but waves and changed the geography of tamil cinema...... Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by MADDY
I guess it is best to let him be with his resume of tedious, run-of-the-mill films that haven't made the slightest ripple, either technically or artistically in Tamil film history.
but dont think, he has had the same fortune with directorship........well, after retiring from acting he will take up direction........lets see, how it goes
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From: NOV on 3rd May 2007 12:49 PM [Full View]
it has become a trend to over indulge everything on Kamal.
yes, he is an actor par excellence. but giving him credit for everything is IMO, overdoing it. he has his limitations and plenty of that too, if anyone cares to discuss that.
talking of good directors, there have been many. but bet you the likes of ameer, bala, selva ragavan will be forgotten over period of time. who would remain are those who have left an impact in TF history and those would be less than 10......
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From: P_R on 3rd May 2007 12:52 PM [Full View]
MADDY I don't think it'd be productive to limit our definition to what the title card says. Kamal is the defining creative force behind nearly all his films post Nayagan. The contributions of the period to film-making in content and storytelling, IMO, have been the among the finest in tamil films. Hence my kaLLA vOte
c u tomorrow
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From: groucho070 on 3rd May 2007 02:39 PM [Full View]
I see a great director in Kamal. But he is more of a brilliant story teller and an adequate director...so far. I believe if MarudhaNayagan happens, then he will join the list of greatest director ever. (I don't want to talk about Hey Ram, I got issues).
Otherwise, I agree with Joe on the list that is left out. Bandulu, APN, KSG and before them, Vassan (didn't he do Chandralekha, Joe?) and Nov, who directed Haridas?
I also like to point out that MGR's Nadodi Mannan and USV, while only two, has great influence in the genre each represents. Especially Nadodi Mannan which is often spoken in the same list as other greats like Parasakthi or Uttama Puthiran.
So, the list grows. In terms of being prolific and consistency in quality, I'd vote for KB. But if only Mahendran has done more films....
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From: NOV on 3rd May 2007 03:33 PM [Full View]
Sundar Rao Originally Posted by groucho070
See here for complete MKT profile: http://raja1630.tripod.com/mktb/id2.html
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From: dinesh2002 on 3rd May 2007 06:10 PM [Full View]
where is SHANKAR in the poll??????
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 06:17 PM [Full View]
I think KB stood for nearly 4 generations ( 60s---2000 ) . That itself is an achievement . This man had the guts to script some unique themes. Famous for breaking the tradition.
Still fresh in mindset . Set the trend for small screen as well.
Sridhar indeed is a genius but lost direction in the 70s. Most of his 70s movies were crap . So, he lost his consistency.
BR was another trend setter but lasted a decade.
MR - yes to a larger extent is still on .
My vote is for KB.
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 3rd May 2007 06:25 PM [Full View]
Each one has a special prescence of his own.
Seriously we cant decide who is BEST.
Nevertheless I voted for KB
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From: selvakumar on 3rd May 2007 06:52 PM [Full View]
Where is KSR, Dharani in the poll Originally Posted by dinesh2002
where is SHANKAR in the poll??????
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 07:07 PM [Full View]
Adadaa. Innum Charan, TRR ellam listula illeenu kepeengalo Originally Posted by selvakumar
Where is KSR, Dharani in the poll Originally Posted by dinesh2002
where is SHANKAR in the poll??????
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From: selvakumar on 3rd May 2007 07:10 PM [Full View]
Athaanae... Shankar irukkum podhu ivanga irukka koodaatha Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Adadaa. Innum Charan, TRR ellam listula illeenu kepeengalo Originally Posted by selvakumar
Where is KSR, Dharani in the poll Originally Posted by dinesh2002
where is SHANKAR in the poll??????
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From: thimuru on 3rd May 2007 07:20 PM [Full View]
voted for mahendran!
just for his johny
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From: thimuru on 3rd May 2007 07:22 PM [Full View]
maniratnam is the most consistent director!
where is kamalhaasan.....when ameer and goutham menon in the list!
hey raam and virumaandi are great efforts
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From: Jabroni on 3rd May 2007 07:36 PM [Full View]
All the directors listed and mentioned here are very averages.
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From: kamalsurya on 3rd May 2007 07:36 PM [Full View]
We are discussing about best ever directors incidently Originally Posted by dinesh2002
where is SHANKAR in the poll??????
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From: kamalsurya on 3rd May 2007 07:37 PM [Full View]
Then why don't u list out Directors who are outstanding Originally Posted by Jabroni
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 07:44 PM [Full View]
idhellam konjam over Originally Posted by Jabroni
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dinesh, as i told b4, Shankar sadly falls in the MR era..........i just picked the best from gens......i felt so.....
reg Ameer,Bala,Selvaraghavan,GM - i really dunno who is the best amongst these 4..........so added all of them, just to see how much support they have........as of now, they are struggling against the "veterans".....
Kamal - guys guys, what did Virumaandi and Hey ram change in tamil cinema??? ........we are talking abt directors who have changed the way a tamilian thinks ......kamal, yes, as a actor has changed many things, but not with his direction....
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From: Jabroni on 3rd May 2007 07:45 PM [Full View]
I was only talking about the directors listed. Originally Posted by kamalsurya
Then why don't u list out Directors who are outstanding Originally Posted by Jabroni
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From: thimuru on 3rd May 2007 07:46 PM [Full View]
WHAT DID AMEER AND GOUTHAM CHANGE? Originally Posted by MADDY
idhellam konjam over Originally Posted by Jabroni
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dinesh, as i told b4, Shankar sadly falls in the MR era..........i just picked the best from gens......i felt so.....
reg Ameer,Bala,Selvaraghavan,GM - i really dunno who is the best amongst these 4..........so added all of them, just to see how much support they have........as of now, they are struggling against the "veterans".....
Kamal - guys guys, what did Virumaandi and Hey ram change in tamil cinema??? ........we are talking abt directors who have changed the way a tamilian thinks ......kamal, yes, as a actor has changed many things, but not with his direction....
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From: Jabroni on 3rd May 2007 07:46 PM [Full View]
Ameer, Bala, Selva, Kamal. ithellam not konjam but romba over Originally Posted by MADDY
reg Ameer,Bala,Selvaraghavan,GM - i really dunno who is the best amongst these 4..........so added all of them, just to see how much support they have........as of now, they are struggling against the "veterans".....
Kamal - guys guys, what did Virumaandi and Hey ram change in tamil cinema??? ........we are talking abt directors who have changed the way a tamilian thinks ......kamal, yes, as a actor has changed many things, but not with his direction....
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From: Jabroni on 3rd May 2007 07:49 PM [Full View]
Goutham changed my opinion on Kamal. Originally Posted by thimuru
WHAT DID AMEER AND GOUTHAM CHANGE?
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From: lavanya22rit on 3rd May 2007 07:53 PM [Full View]
Great discovery !!!!! Originally Posted by Jabroni
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From: Jabroni on 3rd May 2007 07:54 PM [Full View]
I am moved Ms Diana has appreaciated me Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
Great discovery !!!!! Originally Posted by Jabroni
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From: Jabroni on 3rd May 2007 07:56 PM [Full View]
I think only veterans are struggling now Originally Posted by MADDY
reg Ameer,Bala,Selvaraghavan,GM - i really dunno who is the best amongst these 4..........so added all of them, just to see how much support they have........as of now, they are struggling against the "veterans".....
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From: dsath on 3rd May 2007 08:08 PM [Full View]
My 2 cents....
I voted for Bharathiraja mainly because he did not have any votes and thought a director of his caliber should have atleast one.
One of the reason i like his movies is that, even though subtle, he projects women in a positive light and the leading ladies share equal or more space on the screen in his movies.
Also he is good at casting actors - who would have thought of casting Satyaraj in Kadal Ore Kavithaigal .
IMO, the most definite change that he made in Tamil Cinema (which also happens to be my pet hate) is - a teenage boy and girl holding hands and running away from their family. After Alaigal Oivathillai there was a spate of movies depicting teenagers running away from home. God i wish he hadn't made that movie.
But on the brighter side he has handled some social issues delicately and portrayed village life in all its earthiness and simplicity.
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 08:55 PM [Full View]
No KSR.
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 09:00 PM [Full View]
Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Originally Posted by c4ramesh
No KSR. Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya? 
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From: thimuru on 3rd May 2007 09:01 PM [Full View]
when ameer is givena place...where is selvaraghavan?
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From: dinesh2002 on 3rd May 2007 09:05 PM [Full View]
Maddy....how can Shankar falls under MR's category when both their movies r world apart? Shankar has created a new set of trend with his movies isnt it.... and def changed the views of many Tamizhans around... if Shankar falls under MR category... then Gautham,Ameer & Bala too falls in the same line isnt it...
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:05 PM [Full View]
He is great in Masala films, the list here is biased towards a genre of film making, which is based on realism. Originally Posted by joe
Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Originally Posted by c4ramesh
No KSR. Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
It list should be represented by different genres, Dharani is also missing.
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 09:09 PM [Full View]
Thampi, Originally Posted by c4ramesh
He is great in Masala films, the list here is biased towards a genre of film making, which is based on realism. Originally Posted by joe
Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Originally Posted by c4ramesh
No KSR. Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
It list should be represented by different genres, Dharani is also missing.
Thamizh-la cinema vara aarampichu 70 varusham aachu
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From: Nerd on 3rd May 2007 09:10 PM [Full View]
If Mahendran is there in a poll, we seldom need to discuss about who else is there and who else is not :P
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From: nemesis786 on 3rd May 2007 09:10 PM [Full View]
gautham irukumpodhu ksr iruka koodadha Originally Posted by joe
Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Originally Posted by c4ramesh
No KSR. Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
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From: thimuru on 3rd May 2007 09:11 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:14 PM [Full View]
That doesn't explain the reason why this list concentrates on genre of directors whose films revolve around realisim, do you mean to say in the last 70 yrs there where no Masala film directors? Originally Posted by joe
Thampi, Originally Posted by c4ramesh
He is great in Masala films, the list here is biased towards a genre of film making, which is based on realism. Originally Posted by joe
Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Originally Posted by c4ramesh
No KSR. Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
It list should be represented by different genres, Dharani is also missing.
Thamizh-la cinema vara aarampichu 70 varusham aachu
When three directors from this era Such as Bala, Gautam [whom I voted for], Ameer are there why not KSR? He has given more hits than these people.
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From: Pras on 3rd May 2007 09:15 PM [Full View]
when gautham menon is given a place, where AR.Murugados ? Originally Posted by thimuru
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From: Nerd on 3rd May 2007 09:16 PM [Full View]
aahaa vidungappA. Maddy avarOda favorites mattum list pannittu matha ellArayum invite pannirukkAru
Anyway no one can satiate all the hubbers here unless the poll can accomodate 25 options :P
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:16 PM [Full View]
This list is highly biased towards one genre of Directors.
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:17 PM [Full View]
It should at least have representations from different genre of directors which is not the case. Originally Posted by Nerd
aahaa vidungappA. Maddy avarOda favorites mattum list pannittu matha ellArayum invite pannirukkAru
Anyway no one can satiate all the hubbers here unless the poll can accomodate 25 options :P
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 09:19 PM [Full View]
Tamil cinema-la B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan ippadillam directors irunthanga thampi ..avangala KSR,Gowtham kooda compare panni antha methaigalai kevalappaduththa virumpavillai ..I am happy they are out of contest Originally Posted by c4ramesh
That doesn't explain the reason why this list concentrates on genre of directors whose films revolve around realisim, do you mean to say in the last 70 yrs there where no Masala film directors? Originally Posted by joe
Thampi, Originally Posted by c4ramesh
He is great in Masala films, the list here is biased towards a genre of film making, which is based on realism. Originally Posted by joe
Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Originally Posted by c4ramesh
No KSR. Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
It list should be represented by different genres, Dharani is also missing.
Thamizh-la cinema vara aarampichu 70 varusham aachu
When three directors from this era Such as Bala, Gautam [whom I voted for], Ameer are there why not KSR? He has given more hits than these people.
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From: selvakumar on 3rd May 2007 09:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Tamil cinema-la B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan ippadillam directors irunthanga thampi ..avangala KSR,Gowtham kooda compare panni antha methaigalai kevalappaduththa virumpavillai ..I am happy they are out of contest Gautam mela inga neraya perukku kola veri irukku pola. BTW, I agree that KSR should not come here since he will WIN over all these young generation guys if we open a thread called "Best commercial director"
btw, I would rate Selva, Bala, Gautham, ARM, Ameer etc in the same plate
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From: nemesis786 on 3rd May 2007 09:25 PM [Full View]
Heyyyyyy how dare people miss out PERARASU
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From: Pras on 3rd May 2007 09:26 PM [Full View]
gautham menon is not that good, to my mind
a run of the mill love story minnale
a good kaaka kaaka
a kaaka kaaka rehash in VV
a flop PKMC
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:28 PM [Full View]
Joe is shooting himself in his foot.
He said:But what does he say now?Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
Tamil cinema-la B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan ippadillam directors irunthanga thampi ..avangala KSR,Gowtham kooda compare panni antha methaigalai kevalappaduththa virumpavillai
At one point he says KSR doesn't come in the list because the list IS OF THE BEST 10 DIRECTORS IN TAMIL CINEMA.
But now he says He doesn't want to compare KSR, and Gautam (who finds a place in the list ) with greats like B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan and tarnish them.
What does this imply?
1. the list doesn't essentially contain the best 10 directors in Tamil cinema which he first claimed. So why can't KSR be in the list?
2. The list contains some directors who are not so great like Gautam, but he finds his place but not KSR.
Joe, why is this so?
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From: Nerd on 3rd May 2007 09:28 PM [Full View]
vaanga vaanga. Join the club. KK wasnt good either. Half-good and surya was terrific :P Originally Posted by Pras
gautham menon is not that good, to my mind
a run of the mill love story minnale
a good kaaka kaaka
a kaaka kaaka rehash in VV
a flop PKMC
Where is sakala
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:30 PM [Full View]
only PKMC is bad in the list, VV may seem to be a rehash of KKK but no point while watching the film u have time to think about it. thats greatness of the director. Originally Posted by Pras
gautham menon is not that good, to my mind
a run of the mill love story minnale
a good kaaka kaaka
a kaaka kaaka rehash in VV
a flop PKMC
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 09:31 PM [Full View]
I am really worried about 2 charges you are shooting on me Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Joe is shooting himself in his foot.
He said:But what does he say now?Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
Tamil cinema-la B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan ippadillam directors irunthanga thampi ..avangala KSR,Gowtham kooda compare panni antha methaigalai kevalappaduththa virumpavillai
At one point he says KSR doesn't come in the list because the list IS OF THE BEST 10 DIRECTORS IN TAMIL CINEMA.
But now he says He doesn't want compare KSR, and Gautam (who finds a place in the list ) with greats like B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan and tarnish them.
What does this imply?
1. the list doesn't essentially contain the best 10 directors in Tamil cinema which he first claimed. So why can't KSR be in the list?
2. The list contains some directors who are not so great like Gautam, but he finds his place but not KSR.
Joe, why is this so? ..Please don't file a case in court
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:33 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
I am really worried about 2 charges you are shooting on me Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Joe is shooting himself in his foot.
He said:But what does he say now?Thamizh cinema varalatril miga siRantha 10 iyakkunargalil KSR oruthara ? Comedy-kku oru aLave illiya?
Tamil cinema-la B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan ippadillam directors irunthanga thampi ..avangala KSR,Gowtham kooda compare panni antha methaigalai kevalappaduththa virumpavillai
At one point he says KSR doesn't come in the list because the list IS OF THE BEST 10 DIRECTORS IN TAMIL CINEMA.
But now he says He doesn't want compare KSR, and Gautam (who finds a place in the list ) with greats like B.R.Bandulu ,Beem sing .AP Nagarajan and tarnish them.
What does this imply?
1. the list doesn't essentially contain the best 10 directors in Tamil cinema which he first claimed. So why can't KSR be in the list?
2. The list contains some directors who are not so great like Gautam, but he finds his place but not KSR.
Joe, why is this so? ..Please don't file a case in court
casela irukkatum, badil solunga Joe anna.
I won't sue u. HAHAHAH
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 09:38 PM [Full View]
ok, my list is generating a lot of "y nots" here.........i'll just give a brief run down on y i took bala,ameer,GM and left out others....... Originally Posted by selvakumar
btw, I would rate Selva, Bala, Gautham, ARM, Ameer etc in the same plate
Bala - sethu is a trend setter in many ways - i mean, the kuthhu native songs, scary/raw reality, bold endings - u name it and the film had it
Ameer - taking nativity to a maximum -100%.......also his narration style based on sequence of events than a strong storyline is something ver new AFAIK in TF
GM - slick urban thrillers, technically high end product, carrying a bit of subtlety that mahendran and mani are pioneers in......
selva - i put him in poll, but it didnt show up
i think ARM, vishnu, KSR, and even the great Kamalhassan dont fit in my scheme of greatest directors.....
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 09:38 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Vendaam Thampi vittudunga .. Inime naan BR Bandulu ,APN,Beem singh padam paakka matten ..KSR padam thaan paarppen
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From: nemesis786 on 3rd May 2007 09:39 PM [Full View]
Joe
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 09:40 PM [Full View]
Joe Sir
Why missed out Bagyaraj, manivannan , Manobala , T.Rajendar etc .
Looks like all the directors's names will be listed here
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:43 PM [Full View]
Being a critic and a debater helps, isn't it nemesis? Originally Posted by nemesis786
Joe
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From: nemesis786 on 3rd May 2007 09:44 PM [Full View]
Yes ramesh Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Being a critic and a debater helps, isn't it nemesis? Originally Posted by nemesis786
Joe
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From: nemesis786 on 3rd May 2007 09:45 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Joe Sir
Why missed out Bagyaraj, manivannan , Manobala , T.Rajendar etc .
Looks like all the directors's names will be listed here
Nakeeran ive heard some of my friends say bhagyaraj is best in india for screenplay bla bla? IS it true
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:46 PM [Full View]
The problem with the list for this poll is it concentrates on one genre of Directors, we need a representative from different genres. Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Joe Sir
Why missed out Bagyaraj, manivannan , Manobala , T.Rajendar etc .
Looks like all the directors's names will be listed here
Bagyaraj! OMG, he is too kewl, why is he not in the list???
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 09:48 PM [Full View]
For me, it looks like we are conducting a marriage and listing out who should be invited and argueing like "Yen avara koopidalla?" ,"Avara koopitta ivara koopida venama?" Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Joe Sir
Why missed out Bagyaraj, manivannan , Manobala , T.Rajendar etc .
Looks like all the directors's names will be listed here
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From: nemesis786 on 3rd May 2007 09:50 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
For me, it looks like we are conducting a marriage and listing out who should be invited and argueing like "Yen avara koopidalla?" ,"Avara koopitta ivara koopida venama?" Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Joe Sir
Why missed out Bagyaraj, manivannan , Manobala , T.Rajendar etc .
Looks like all the directors's names will be listed here
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 09:50 PM [Full View]
happily True. Originally Posted by joe
For me, it looks like we are conducting a marriage and listing out who should be invited and argueing like "Yen avara koopidalla?" ,"Avara koopitta ivara koopida venama?" Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Joe Sir
Why missed out Bagyaraj, manivannan , Manobala , T.Rajendar etc .
Looks like all the directors's names will be listed here
Tamil cinema has too many Good directors!
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 09:53 PM [Full View]
i think thats the bottom line Originally Posted by c4ramesh
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NOV - did u see that?? KB is leading
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 09:54 PM [Full View]
One by name Durai took a movie PASI for which Shoba got national award
This gentleman has taken movie with nadigar thilagam also seems.
Why his name is missed out ?
And what about greats like Krishnan-Panju ( MAKERS OF PARASAKTHI )
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 09:56 PM [Full View]
Hi Maddy Originally Posted by MADDY
i think thats the bottom line Originally Posted by c4ramesh
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NOV - did u see that?? KB is leading
KB has stood the test of times . 4 GENERATIONS . Thats phenomenal no !
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From: MADDY on 3rd May 2007 09:57 PM [Full View]
Nakeeraaa - yen list-il pizhaya Originally Posted by Nakeeran
One by name Durai took a movie PASI for which Shoba got national award
This gentleman has taken movie with nadigar thilagam also seems.
Why his name is missed out ?
And what about greats like Krishnan-Panju ( MAKERS OF PARASAKTHI )
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 09:59 PM [Full View]
Maddy
parasakthi parunga. U will realize how path breaking that movie is ! Mind U , it introduced NT . What a strong portrayal !
I think that Krish-Panju have taken many movies with NT and others ! can someone give a list ?
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 10:00 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
Nakeeraaa - yen list-il pizhaya
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 10:02 PM [Full View]
It is indeed the greatest turning point of Tamil cinema Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Thamizh cinema-vin sariththiraththai sivaji-kku mun ,sivaji -kku ena irandaga pirikkalam -KAMAL HASSAN
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From: joe on 3rd May 2007 10:09 PM [Full View]
Nakeeran,
I think ,the great 'Ratha Kaneer' also by Krishnan -Panju
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 10:22 PM [Full View]
God Originally Posted by joe
Nakeeran,
I think ,the great 'Ratha Kaneer' also by Krishnan -Panju Thats a great movie . One of the best of tamil cinema no ?
Joe. I could see KP name even in Server Sundaram / Uyarndha manidhan. Pl confirm
Then these gentlemen definitely deserve a place
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From: P_R on 3rd May 2007 10:41 PM [Full View]
Server Sundaram KB illayA
I thought it was a KB play, so I assumed he directed it on screen too.
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From: Nakeeran on 3rd May 2007 10:46 PM [Full View]
http://www.intamm.com/movies/history/history4.htm
The above link will give a fair idea on erstwhile directors . Dunno men like K.S.Gopalakrishnan , why we have forgotten such creators ?
Seems like Krishnan-Panju had a fair run even in Hindi movies !
Praburam,
SS story is by KB ( Drama ) which was made as a movie I believe .
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From: P_R on 3rd May 2007 10:52 PM [Full View]
Re. Ratha Kanneer, it is pretty one-dimensional. MRR's performance is its strength but after a point the Mohan character gets to you. Quite curious that a rationalist like MRR tried to show leprosy as a 'punishment' for Mohan's wayward conduct.Every few years when its censor certificate is up for review, the leprosy foundation in India puts up an objection which is duly ignored. Most of the film has a strong stage-play effect to it. Like KB's early phase.
ParAsakthi, though dialogue intense and shot nearly completely in stage-like setting managed to go beyond stage-iness. The monologues and SivAji's performance are the stuff of legend now. Even the shorter sequences of SivAji's mathodic madness capers are equally biting.
But to me, the movie of that era is Andha NaaL. Classic writing, extraordinary performance and very stylish direction. It had the strong stamp of film, as against stage-performance. Way ahead of its times.
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From: c4ramesh on 3rd May 2007 11:15 PM [Full View]
Thank you for the link. It was a great read. Originally Posted by Nakeeran
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From: NOV on 4th May 2007 07:24 AM [Full View]
When comparing it is best to limit to the current generation. Thus Best Director of this Generation - would be a perfect poll choice.
Then one can leave out Sridhar, Mahendran, Bhim Singh, S. Balachander, KRG, etc etc and concentrate on the likes of Selvaragavan, Ameer, Bala, Gautham Menon.
Of course I will be much happier if one leaves out the really best directors of this generation ie Maniratnam and Shankar.
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From: selvakumar on 4th May 2007 09:29 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by NOV
Of course I will be much happier if one leaves out the really best directors of this generation ie Maniratnam and Shankar.
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From: swathy on 4th May 2007 09:31 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Vendaam Thampi vittudunga .. Inime naan BR Bandulu ,APN,Beem singh padam paakka matten ..KSR padam thaan paarppen
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 4th May 2007 09:35 AM [Full View]
Yet another comparison of generations?!!
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 09:37 AM [Full View]
its not comparison SS, its just finding out who has captured our hearts more..... Originally Posted by Sanguine Sridhar
Yet another comparison of generations?!! .........
even one vote for sridhar here is = 10 votes .......wonder if my grandkids start a poll like this, how many votes will maniratnam get at that time.......
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 09:44 AM [Full View]
Maddy,
The poll title is..
Who is the best director ever in Tamil
It is better to cut this 'ever'
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From: crajkumar_be on 4th May 2007 10:24 AM [Full View]
Our own Film Noir Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 11:45 AM [Full View]
yes joe Originally Posted by joe
Maddy,
The poll title is..
Who is the best director ever in Tamil
It is better to cut this 'ever' .........can someone edit it to "most favorite" director or something like that??
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 11:57 AM [Full View]
Who is the best director ever in Tamil?
Kamal Haasan.
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 12:05 PM [Full View]
not when BR,Sridhar,Mahendran,Maniratnam are there Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 12:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
not when BR,Sridhar,Mahendran,Maniratnam are there Originally Posted by thilak4life
I have not seen/appreciated a lot of sridhar movies. But I guess mahendran, BR, MR are far superior than KH who has just directed two movies. A so-so virumaaNdi and a brilliant hey raam
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 12:24 PM [Full View]
nai nai Originally Posted by Nerd
Originally Posted by MADDY
not when BR,Sridhar,Mahendran,Maniratnam are there Originally Posted by thilak4life
I have not seen/appreciated a lot of sridhar movies. But I guess mahendran, BR, MR are far superior than KH who has just directed two movies. A so-so virumaaNdi and a brilliant hey raam
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 12:25 PM [Full View]
nerd...consider the movies which are directed by kamal indirectly
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 12:28 PM [Full View]
I don't want to do that Originally Posted by thimuru
Lets just take official movies
As a scriptwriter KH is terrific, I agree. Mahaanadhi and thEvar magan are superb, to say the least. But you can't deny that santhaana bharathi had something to do with MN and Bharathan had something to do with TM. Also I was not very impressed with anbE sivam (Kiran and flashback scenes) and MX
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 12:50 PM [Full View]
Neenga sonna directors have directed few good films. I don't wanna be rhetorical. But anway, Most of their movies are half-baked and clearly inferior than KH. Calling MR far superior than KH is a sick joke. MR is a great Ad-filmmaker or maybe even the best music video director. Of course, he made few good mainstream movies. BR being better than KH is debatable. Mahendran is decent and I don't rate him high. But I know Nerd rates them high. Is there a written rule that I should like him? I feel KH's movies to be much better. His ventures with Santhana Bharathy and SSR had major contribution of KH's vision. KB is another director whose vision was flawed at times. pretentiousness with metaphors. There are few exceptions. I like Balu mahedra too. The big B's of tamil cinema: KB, BR, BM - they can claim the spot. Others - Not my cup of tea.
Let me reiterate it for one last time: I've admired KH's movies more than any of the aforementioned ones.
Moreover, I think having GM, Ameer, Bala, XYZ, etc and to leave out KH - plain debauchery.
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 12:51 PM [Full View]
Neenga sonna directors have directed few good films. I don't wanna be rhetorical. But anway, Most of their movies are half-baked and clearly inferior than KH. Calling MR far superior than KH is a sick joke. MR is a great Ad-filmmaker or maybe even the best music video director. Of course, he made few good mainstream movies. BR being better than KH is debatable. Mahendran is decent and I don't rate him high. But I know Nerd rates them high. Is there a written rule that I should like him? I feel KH's movies to be much better. His ventures with Santhana Bharathy and SSR had major contribution of KH's vision. KB is another director whose vision was flawed at times. pretentiousness with metaphors. There are few exceptions. I like Balu mahedra too. The big B's of tamil cinema: KB, BR, BM - they can claim the spot. Others - Not my cup of tea.
Let me reiterate it for one last time: I've admired KH's movies more than any of the aforementioned ones.
Moreover, I think having GM, Ameer, Bala, XYZ, etc and to leave out KH - plain debauchery.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 4th May 2007 12:51 PM [Full View]
exactly! Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 12:58 PM [Full View]
This seals the argument. Originally Posted by thilak4life
For me, the best director ever is Mahendran ( I have seen almost ALL the much acclaimed movies of sridhar, APN, Bheemsingh etc.., but none has bettered uthiri pookkaL ) And muLLum malarum, KKK, Jhonny are masterpieces. Only he could have made those movies. Period.
And I know that you don't like mani (one of your blog posts confirmed my speculation). But IMO mani has a few terrific movies under his belt (MR, Nayagan, KM etc.., )
But IMHO, kAdhal, andha naaL are very under-rated. May be because BS and SB has just one such movie in their resume
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From: swathy on 4th May 2007 01:02 PM [Full View]
i know this thread is created mainly to check the no.of votes for maniratnam.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 01:25 PM [Full View]
bagyaraj engappa...gouthamukelam idam kuduthu
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From: seran on 4th May 2007 01:33 PM [Full View]
KB is the best, as he was able to successfully compete with people of different generations. Some were better than him, but couldn't stand for long
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From: MrJudge on 4th May 2007 02:30 PM [Full View]
I think we are on the same boat. Mahendran is my all time favorite. Originally Posted by Nerd
And I don't like mani that much, he brings more artificial touch than reality, and please don't say that MR is a terrific movie. It is just a rehash of Nenjaththai killathe.
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From: nemesis786 on 4th May 2007 02:45 PM [Full View]
Perarasu, SJ Surya, Chella, Ramana, Ezhil, Kadhir
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 02:49 PM [Full View]
mani's style is the sophisticated version of mahendran style i believe! Originally Posted by MrJudge
I think we are on the same boat. Mahendran is my all time favorite. Originally Posted by Nerd
And I don't like mani that much, he brings more artificial touch than reality, and please don't say that MR is a terrific movie. It is just a rehash of Nenjaththai killathe.
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 05:01 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by swathy
i know this thread is created mainly to check the no.of votes for maniratnam. .....pachha pulla mela indha madhiri abandaama pazhi podareenga ........
i think, people are underestimating Mani a lot..........the packaging in his movies are just brilliant.........he gives more attention to most details than most of the others......confused ? .....he was the first director in tamil who cared abt the "end-product" .....maybe Sridhar with Kaadhalakku mariyadhai and venniraadai did that before but Mani took it up full time..........
with mani, its like this, he takes a "thread" from a real incident or some movie and spins a beautiful story/screenplay/incidents and gives in ur hand a top quality product............
his characters are artificial?? ......even nenjathhai killadhe suhasini's anni character was so artificial - u cant help it
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 05:14 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
Originally Posted by swathy
i know this thread is created mainly to check the no.of votes for maniratnam. .....pachha pulla mela indha madhiri abandaama pazhi podareenga ........
i think, people are underestimating Mani a lot..........the packaging in his movies are just brilliant.........he gives more attention to most details than most of the others......confused ? .....he was the first director in tamil who cared abt the "end-product" .....maybe Sridhar with Kaadhalakku mariyadhai and venniraadai did that before but Mani took it up full time..........
with mani, its like this, he takes a "thread" from a real incident or some movie and spins a beautiful story/screenplay/incidents and gives in ur hand a top quality product............
his characters are artificial?? ......even nenjathhai killadhe suhasini's anni character was so artificial - u cant help it mahendrans end product is also complete!
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 05:19 PM [Full View]
Any pointers on where I can get Udhiri pookkal? I've looked everywhere for this movie, but am unable to find it. Why is it regarded as a benchmark by MR? What is in that movie that pushed Shankar to become a director (albeit, an unimpressive one)? Appadi enna irukku andha padathil? Originally Posted by Nerd
For me, the best director ever is Mahendran ( I have seen almost ALL the much acclaimed movies of sridhar, APN, Bheemsingh etc.., but none has bettered uthiri pookkaL )
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 05:24 PM [Full View]
i'm talking abt the finesse in the end products in terms of visuals and not from a script point of view.........just look at mani's scenes, the color patterns behind the characters, camers angles, dialogues that the characters speak - he takes care of every minute detail....... Originally Posted by thimuru
mahendrans end product is also complete!
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 05:30 PM [Full View]
Shankar is good,infact great in his own forte.........i thot Mudhalvan was one of the best screenplays ever made......give that storyline to mahedran,BR,maniratnam - they wud have made a "unsittable" documentary with that...... Originally Posted by kannannn
Any pointers on where I can get Udhiri pookkal? I've looked everywhere for this movie, but am unable to find it. Why is it regarded as a benchmark by MR? What is in that movie that pushed Shankar to become a director (albeit, an unimpressive one)? Appadi enna irukku andha padathil? Originally Posted by Nerd
For me, the best director ever is Mahendran ( I have seen almost ALL the much acclaimed movies of sridhar, APN, Bheemsingh etc.., but none has bettered uthiri pookkaL ) .........
udhiri pookkal - there are somethings which i cant describe with my levels of comprehension.......this movie is one of them.......
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From: Nakeeran on 4th May 2007 05:30 PM [Full View]
Giving credit to Kamal for all his movies is absurd. This guy has directed just a few movies and how come he can be a great director !. Konjam directorukkum credit kodungappa kamal rasigargale .
If yes , then the list of such short term classic directors may be huge !
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 05:45 PM [Full View]
Nakeeran Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Definitely Kamal the director is better than GM,Selva,Ameer and Bala.
His Hey Ram and Virumandi are path breaking.
He ghost directed many classic movies like Devar Magan,Guna,Mahanadhi,AnbeSivam,Kuruthi Punal,MMKR.
So We can call him a great Director without any iota of doubt.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 05:49 PM [Full View]
how many movies did bala direct? Originally Posted by Nakeeran
how many movies did goutham direct?
how many movies did ameer direct?
how many did quantin tarantino direct ?
rama narayanan directed 100 movies...hez best?
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 05:49 PM [Full View]
I think Boys was Shankar's best. Mudhalvan had a great concept. I loved the interview scene and the dialogues in parts too. But I don't think it can qualify as a great movie or one with the best screenplay. Grandiose sets and fashion models do not a movie make. Originally Posted by MADDY
Shankar is good,infact great in his own forte.........i thot Mudhalvan was one of the best screenplays ever made......give that storyline to mahedran,BR,maniratnam - they wud have made a "unsittable" documentary with that...... .........
Reminds me of what the greatest of them all (vera yaaru? Tarantino dhaan
) once said : My job is to make a 10 million dollar movie look like a 100 million dollar movie. That's where the true talents of a film maker lie.
Idha, idha thaan naan sonnen Originally Posted by MADDY
udhiri pookkal - there are somethings which i cant describe with my levels of comprehension.......this movie is one of them....... . Everyone praising the movie sky high makes me desperate to watch it.
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From: Nakeeran on 4th May 2007 06:15 PM [Full View]
Barathan ( Devar magan ) Singeeedham SrinivasaRao are 2 great directors who actually should have been given the real credit .
But what a paradox ! Their names are not even mentioned by kamal fans ! This is absolute prejudice / bias .
If Kamal can prove his success by making atleast 20 movies , then one can call him a great director . I mean consistency & ability to withstand changing times.
And pls guys dont compare him with the likes of Bala, Ameer etc and degrade him. Just becaz their names are considered doesnt make Kamal a great here !
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 06:34 PM [Full View]
Nakeeran Originally Posted by Nakeeran
I wonder how you have missed the names of Sunder C for Anbs Sivam,Santhana bharathy for Guna and Mahanadhi. :P
Bharadhan didn't come to shooting spot of DM most of the days due to difference of opinion with Kamal. Kamal was the ghost director in DM.
Pertaining to Kamal films, Singeetham is a Director for Logistics of the moive.Other than that he didn't do anything with the Movie.
So far Kamal proved his success as director (Not Ghost) in Virumandi and Chachi 420. But iWe shouldn't judge Person's capablities based on Box office.
Though his Hey Ram was falied in BO, It is one of the greatest film made in India.
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From: Hulkster on 4th May 2007 06:37 PM [Full View]
Like groucho said..Kamalhassan is a brilliant screenplay writer and storyteller...but direction is still on the intermediate side but not great. You can see some flaws when he tries to move the scenes forward and ends up forcing the message conveyed rather than let it be picked up by the audience....but you can see that his ideas are innovative and excellent.
As Nerd said...Mahendran has been doing social-related issues and brought them out in celluloid classically way before kamal started going the same path albeit abit poetically. So my vote goes to him..a honourable mention to KB whose movies like thanneer thanneer almost give mahendran's movies some fight
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 07:47 PM [Full View]
quantitiya vida quality than mukkiyam!just for example....how many films did peter jackson make? Originally Posted by Nakeeran
he is withstanding changing generations!
do u mean hey raam is for previous generation
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 07:57 PM [Full View]
mansatchiya thottu sollu kannu, idhaya sonna nee rendu vaaram munnadi?? Originally Posted by thimuru
kamal fans need to accept things and appreciate more people...........kamal,IR,YSR,KR nnu oru chinna vattathukkulaye irukeenga ellathiliyum kamal dhaan bestnnu solluradhu nalla irukku aana elaaralayum accept panna mudiyadhu
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From: MrJudge on 4th May 2007 07:58 PM [Full View]
Mahendran was a trendsetter and a balanced movie maker. He didn't compromise both technically and content-wise. He used only top-class technicians around at that time, for camera work Ashok kumar, Balu mahendra, and IR for music. Mani may be following only the technical side Mahendran used to do but considering screen play and dialogues, their styles are so different. Originally Posted by thimuru
Mani lost the natural flavor on his way. Is this because of driving down to sophistication? may be. Is it worth doing that way? I don't think so, and definitely he took a wrong turn.
Mahendran is the best director till date.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 08:04 PM [Full View]
indha ellaralayum nu solreengale...adhu yaru yaru Originally Posted by MADDY
mansatchiya thottu sollu kannu, idhaya sonna nee rendu vaaram munnadi?? Originally Posted by thimuru
kamal fans need to accept things and appreciate more people...........kamal,IR,YSR,KR nnu oru chinna vattathukkulaye irukeenga ellathiliyum kamal dhaan bestnnu solluradhu nalla irukku aana elaaralayum accept panna mudiyadhu
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 08:05 PM [Full View]
kamal-ir nu chinna vattama?
appo maddy enna
mani-arr ungara vattama
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From: selvakumar on 4th May 2007 08:12 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
kamal fans need to accept things and appreciate more people...........kamal,IR,YSR,KR nnu oru chinna vattathukkulaye irukeenga ellathiliyum kamal dhaan bestnnu solluradhu nalla irukku aana elaaralayum accept panna mudiyadhu IF I am not wrong, I know few KH fans who HATE U1 to the core.
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From: MrJudge on 4th May 2007 08:12 PM [Full View]
I think Mani is a over-hyped personality in tfm and not definitely underestimated. Originally Posted by MADDY
i think, people are underestimating Mani a lot..........the packaging in his movies are just brilliant.........
his characters are artificial?? ......even nenjathhai killadhe suhasini's anni character was so artificial - u cant help it
FYI, the term "end-product" by mani was borrowed from Mahendran.
Mani's characters most of the time behave so artificially from Agni natcharam onwards.
What is so artificial about the anni's character???
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 08:18 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
mansatchiya thottu sollu kannu, idhaya sonna nee rendu vaaram munnadi?? Originally Posted by thimuru
kamal fans need to accept things and appreciate more people...........kamal,IR,YSR,KR nnu oru chinna vattathukkulaye irukeenga ellathiliyum kamal dhaan bestnnu solluradhu nalla irukku aana elaaralayum accept panna mudiyadhu
Maddy
Kamalthaan ellatulayam bestnu sollala. He is one among the best director.
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 08:22 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MrJudge
I think Mani is a over-hyped personality in tfm and not definitely underestimated. Originally Posted by MADDY
i think, people are underestimating Mani a lot..........the packaging in his movies are just brilliant.........
his characters are artificial?? ......even nenjathhai killadhe suhasini's anni character was so artificial - u cant help it
FYI, the term "end-product" by mani was borrowed from Mahendran.
Mani's characters most of the time behave so artificially from Agni natcharam onwards.
What is so artificial about the anni's character???
His Characters are More artificial Since Agni Natchtiram and Most of his movies are missing the so called "Yadhartham".
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 08:24 PM [Full View]
the charecter of keerthana in kannathil muthamittaal is so artificial
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 08:28 PM [Full View]
Recently i read a quote on Mani sir. i think it was by writer Sujatha.
"Paarvaiyaalargalin buthisaalithanathai muluvadhumaaga bayanpaduthum director Maniratnam"
That says it all..
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 08:33 PM [Full View]
Oh! we can't go by what Sujatha says about the movies or the directors he works with. He touted Anniyan as one of the best Tamil movies ever and promoted Kandukondein vigorously during its release. We know how the end products were. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 08:39 PM [Full View]
Exactly Originally Posted by kannannn
Oh! we can't go by what Sujatha says about the movies or the directors he works with. He touted Anniyan as one of the best Tamil movies ever and promoted Kandukondein vigorously during its release. We know how the end products were. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 08:39 PM [Full View]
i agree with u but this opinion of Sujatha is true. Originally Posted by kannannn
Oh! we can't go by what Sujatha says about the movies or the directors he works with. He touted Anniyan as one of the best Tamil movies ever and promoted Kandukondein vigorously during its release. We know how the end products were. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
The dissolving flashback of Alaipayuthey was the first of its kind in India. The same applies with AE. But still ppl were able to gel themselves with the movies na.
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 08:42 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kannannn
Oh! we can't go by what Sujatha says about the movies or the directors he works with. He touted Anniyan as one of the best Tamil movies ever and promoted Kandukondein vigorously during its release. We know how the end products were. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Mr.Kannannn
You hit the nails on the head.
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 08:46 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
It would be better if he would have framed it as
"Yadhartha matra kaatichgalinal Makkalai kavarum Eyakkunar thru maniratnam avargal"
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 08:50 PM [Full View]
The technique he used in AE was already used by S.Balanchandar in Andhanaal and Kamal in Virumandi. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Kamal 's virumandi is a very good attempt and much better than Mani's Screenplay in AE..
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 08:52 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by mrsrajan
The technique he used in AE was already used by S.Balanchandar in Andhanaal and Kamal in Virumandi. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Kamal 's virumandi is a very good attempt and much better than Mani's Screenplay in AE..
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 08:54 PM [Full View]
Atleast mani made some changes but kamal made a hell of a xerox of kurosawa's Rashomon. Watch it first and then post ur comments please..
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From: Sanjeevi on 4th May 2007 08:57 PM [Full View]
but there are some stupid people who always think "Kamal movies is not good" because they can't understant Kamal movies Originally Posted by thimuru
Originally Posted by mrsrajan
The technique he used in AE was already used by S.Balanchandar in Andhanaal and Kamal in Virumandi. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Kamal 's virumandi is a very good attempt and much better than Mani's Screenplay in AE..
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 08:58 PM [Full View]
Re: Best Director
Maddy Originally Posted by MADDY
would like to know, who is the best director according to our hubbers and who wins this poll.......not a easy choice to make dudes
How would you define the best director? Is it based on the following parameters?.
Story+Screenplay+Dialogs+Direction?
Story+Screenplay+Direction?
Screeplay +Direction ?
Direction?
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 08:59 PM [Full View]
பிரச்சனைகளைப் பற்றி (காஷ்மீர்,மும்பை,இலங்கை,எம்ஜிஆர்-கலைஞர்) பேசுகிறேன் பேர்வழி என்று சொல்லிக்கொண்டு ,அப்பிரச்சனைகள் பற்றிய எந்த ஆழ்ந்த ஆராய்ச்சியுமின்றி ,தன்னைப் போலவே பிரச்சனைகளைப் பற்றிய நுனிப்புல் அறிவை கொண்டுள்ள பெரும்பான்மை சினிமா ரசிகர்களை நம்பி ,தொழில் நுட்ப முலாம் கொண்டு ஓட்டைகளை அடைத்து போலி பிரமிப்பை உருவாக்குவதில் வல்லவர் மணிரத்னம்
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:01 PM [Full View]
whn KB,Mahendran,BR,MR were able to make ppl 'understand' their movies, i dont think the problem is with the so called 'stupid' ppl. Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
but there are some stupid people who always think "Kamal movies is not good" because they can't understant Kamal movies Originally Posted by thimuru
Originally Posted by mrsrajan
The technique he used in AE was already used by S.Balanchandar in Andhanaal and Kamal in Virumandi. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Kamal 's virumandi is a very good attempt and much better than Mani's Screenplay in AE..
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 09:02 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 09:06 PM [Full View]
vandhuruvaaru paa U1 support-ukku Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by MADDY
kamal fans need to accept things and appreciate more people...........kamal,IR,YSR,KR nnu oru chinna vattathukkulaye irukeenga ellathiliyum kamal dhaan bestnnu solluradhu nalla irukku aana elaaralayum accept panna mudiyadhu IF I am not wrong, I know few KH fans who HATE U1 to the core. .....thimuru, seriously, u havent seen my comments on BR,Ameer,mahendran,sridhar etc.......infact even on IR,kamal and YSR too.... ........naanga vattam ellam poda maattom while appreciating good things
but fact remains there are many here who dont agree to "kamal is the best director" ..........can start a poll for that too
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:07 PM [Full View]
Dil se- Netpac Award - Special Mention- Berlin International Film Festival Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
kannathil Muthamittal- In Spirit for Freedom Award- Jerusalem Film Festival
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 09:07 PM [Full View]
whn KB,Mahendran,BR,MR were able to make ppl 'understand' their movies, i dont think the problem is with the so called 'stupid' ppl.[/quote] Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
So Does Kamal.
Again you shoudn't evaluate the Writers capablities based on Box office Results.
Hey Ram madhiri padam edukka Oru Guts Venum.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:08 PM [Full View]
even many wont accept that mani is the best director... Originally Posted by MADDY
vandhuruvaaru paa U1 support-ukku Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by MADDY
kamal fans need to accept things and appreciate more people...........kamal,IR,YSR,KR nnu oru chinna vattathukkulaye irukeenga ellathiliyum kamal dhaan bestnnu solluradhu nalla irukku aana elaaralayum accept panna mudiyadhu IF I am not wrong, I know few KH fans who HATE U1 to the core. .....thimuru, seriously, u havent seen my comments on BR,Ameer,mahendran,sridhar etc.......infact even on IR,kamal and YSR too.... ........naanga vattam ellam poda maattom while appreciating good things
but fact remains there are many here who dont agree to "kamal is the best director" ..........can start a poll for that too
when few here are accepting kamal as best...he should be on the poll
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:09 PM [Full View]
ajaybaskar...have u honestly watched roshomon?
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 09:11 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Dil se- Netpac Award - Special Mention- Berlin International Film Festival Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
kannathil Muthamittal- In Spirit for Freedom Award- Jerusalem Film Festival
I can quote Many Great Legend directors who appreciated KH's work.
If you want to have healthy discussion between KH and Mani. We will start a separate thread and have a discussion.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:11 PM [Full View]
kamals is not a xerox of roshomon screenplay!
mani's AE is from amores perros...mind u
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 09:11 PM [Full View]
we need not neccessarily agree to wat "south koreans" think as a good film is it?? Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:13 PM [Full View]
then ?....by what MADDY says? Originally Posted by MADDY
we need not neccessarily agree to wat "south koreans" think as a good film is it?? Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 09:13 PM [Full View]
Yes.Maddy enna ninaiikuar engirathu thaan mukkiyam Originally Posted by MADDY
we need not neccessarily agree to wat "south koreans" think as a good film is it?? Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:13 PM [Full View]
So Does Kamal. Originally Posted by mrsrajan
whn KB,Mahendran,BR,MR were able to make ppl 'understand' their movies, i dont think the problem is with the so called 'stupid' ppl. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Again you shoudn't evaluate the Writers capablities based on Box office Results.
Hey Ram madhiri padam edukka Oru Guts Venum.[/quote]
kandippaaga gutsu venum..
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 09:15 PM [Full View]
Glad you asked. Its an adaptation of a puthumaipithan short. Superb charecterizations, in MM kALi was established with just the rAman aaNdAlum song whereas in UP, vijayan, charuhassan in the first few scenes. Actually those scenes were the least impressive in the movie. Once the movie defines its characters, we get to see JM's brilliance. Realistic to the core, depicting how evil a human mind can be. The camera speaks, seriously. JM is known for his close-up shots, putting an actor under lots of pressure to emote Originally Posted by kannannn
Vijayan was terrific, wonder why did he fade away..
Another important aspect in this movie is that there is no information about the timeline. I mean you wont know if the next scene happens the next day or the next year! Keeps you guessing
The climax is one of the best ever. Just a simple speech by the baddy and you will fall for him. An amazing movie watching experience
P.S. The pace is very slow, slower than even nenjathai kiLLAthE
And judge, I would any day rate MR over NK and I dont think both are similar
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From: NOV on 4th May 2007 09:15 PM [Full View]
Guys, pls stop this never ending discussion.
Agree to disagree and move on please.
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 09:16 PM [Full View]
Unlike fellow hubbers, I don't think 'directorial brilliance' was as pronounced in 'Johnny', except for Rajini's 'natural' acting and the 'storytelling'. And Mullum mallarum was pretty decent. 'Udhiripukal' is the only JM movie that impressed me. But if I had to choose one of the best efforts dealing with 'a social issue', unemployment in this case and the eventual 'poverty', that has to be 'Varumayin niram sivappu' . One of the better efforts from him (forget his other vainglory efforts). The very fact that I could recollect the whole movie compared to BR's 'Nizhalgal' should shed some light here. BM's 'Veedu' is an impressive effort and mind you, even that touches upon a social issue - a bourgeoise's struggle.
Talking about Thamizh cinema(or any industry), there are only handful of movies that can be adjudged to be great or a classic. If I had to pick the list and look at the director's vision in making those movies, then KH's involvement has been in the majority of them. If I had to be more specific, Hey ram, Mahanadhi and MMKR form the crux of Thamizh cinema in different genres. And more specifically, his understanding of the different kinds of villagers from boorish to wiser ones have been perfect in movies like Thevar magan and Virumandi. The dialect and his eye for details need a seperate mention. Someone said he stresses on the message conveyed, that is not entirely 'true'. But 'Yes', that needs a little tweaking. But surely not something the other directors are completely devoid of, they are all flawed in their own ways. When I said 'tweaking'. Let's say for example in Virumandi could have easily been without the 'capital punishment' angle and the climax. In fact, the narrative could have been to the journalist (Rohini) who was covering just the issue and not for the cause as portrayed. If the narrative doesn't testify the greatness of the director (as much as the scriptwriter), then what does??
'Hey ram' works in different layers and it needs a better understanding with a nuanced perspective to appreciate the 'subtlety' he strives to achieve. It wasn't preachy at any point. In fact, it never idolizes or vilified Gandhi for once - if I had to contemplate the simplest implication. The whole plot required a talented director. None of the other Thamizh directors could ever create a 'magnus opus' distantly close to it.
One film wonders: 'Aval appidi thaan' and 'Anda Naal'
And Virumandi to be called as an inspiration of Rashomon - is it apt? Heck, every movie which has multi-narrative can be called as an inspiration. But mind you, the truth never comes out in Rashomon while in Virumandi, its the truth that disputes the earlier version(from pasupathy). That's the least you can crib about.
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 09:16 PM [Full View]
Yes ofcourse each to his own. Originally Posted by MADDY
we need not neccessarily agree to wat "south koreans" think as a good film is it?? Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
But Judges might have better knowledge about choosing the best films than you and me.
Just i posted this for Ajay's statement. he posted AE screen play was the first in India.. He forgot about Andha Naal and Virumandi.
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From: Sanjeevi on 4th May 2007 09:16 PM [Full View]
What i am trying to tell here is Kamal has given some class movies consecutively and those films changed some people's mind that "Avaru padamna appadithan". And now a days Kamal is giving a class movie and then a commercial movie. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
whn KB,Mahendran,BR,MR were able to make ppl 'understand' their movies, i dont think the problem is with the so called 'stupid' ppl. Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
but there are some stupid people who always think "Kamal movies is not good" because they can't understant Kamal movies Originally Posted by thimuru
Originally Posted by mrsrajan
The technique he used in AE was already used by S.Balanchandar in Andhanaal and Kamal in Virumandi. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Kamal 's virumandi is a very good attempt and much better than Mani's Screenplay in AE..
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:17 PM [Full View]
We'l surely do that, Rajan sir. But not today... Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Dil se- Netpac Award - Special Mention- Berlin International Film Festival Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival.
kannathil Muthamittal- In Spirit for Freedom Award- Jerusalem Film Festival
I can quote Many Great Legend directors who appreciated KH's work.
If you want to have healthy discussion between KH and Mani. We will start a separate thread and have a discussion.
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 09:19 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
So Does Kamal. Originally Posted by mrsrajan
whn KB,Mahendran,BR,MR were able to make ppl 'understand' their movies, i dont think the problem is with the so called 'stupid' ppl. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Again you shoudn't evaluate the Writers capablities based on Box office Results.
Hey Ram madhiri padam edukka Oru Guts Venum. kandippaaga gutsu venum.. [/quote]
Guts mattum pothathu thampi ..Antha alavukku aRivum veNum.
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 09:21 PM [Full View]
And Oh yeah, people aren't stupid! Are they?
Glad that people boast Pokkiri while none of them even know about Navarasa!!!! Hell, I can see few people scratching their head whether they even heard about the movie!!!
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:21 PM [Full View]
Guts mattum pothathu thampi ..Antha alavukku aRivum veNum. Originally Posted by joe
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
So Does Kamal. Originally Posted by mrsrajan
whn KB,Mahendran,BR,MR were able to make ppl 'understand' their movies, i dont think the problem is with the so called 'stupid' ppl. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Again you shoudn't evaluate the Writers capablities based on Box office Results.
Hey Ram madhiri padam edukka Oru Guts Venum. kandippaaga gutsu venum.. [/quote]
Is it? till date i thought hey ram was directed by kamalhaasan himself. Ippo neenga sollithaan unmai theriyum..
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 09:21 PM [Full View]
See the difference between my replies and yours. Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Hey Ram madhiri padam edukka Oru Guts Venum
kandippaaga gutsu venum..
I have made a mistake by posting replies to yours
If you want to know the quality of that movie , plaase go and read Mr. Prabhu Ram's posts in KH Favorite Movies and Scenes.
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From: villan007 on 4th May 2007 09:23 PM [Full View]
ithi innathu ? Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:24 PM [Full View]
ajaybaskar...adhu comediyaaa?
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:24 PM [Full View]
See the difference between my replies and yours. Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
kandippaaga gutsu venum..
I have made a mistake by posting replies to yours
If you want to know the quality of that movie , plaase go and read Mr. Prabhu Ram's posts in KH Favorite Movies and Scenes.[/quote]
i pretty well know the quality of that movie. So no idea as of now to go to Mr.Prabhu Ram's posts...
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 09:24 PM [Full View]
no, when u guys said "u wont belive by wat sujatha says" , then i said this - Originally Posted by joe
Yes.Maddy enna ninaiikuar engirathu thaan mukkiyam Originally Posted by MADDY
we need not neccessarily agree to wat "south koreans" think as a good film is it?? Originally Posted by mrsrajan
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
I watched it already.He used only the screenplay technique.And the movie fetched him a "Best Asian Film 2004" in the South Korean Film Festival. ........
ennappa kamal appreciate pannuravanga paechha ketkanum aana shankar/mani-a appreciate pannuravunga paechha ketkakoodadhuna yenna nyayam???
ajay, FYI, there was already a thread maniratnam v kamal and it got pretty nasty towards the end..... .......
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 09:25 PM [Full View]
athu namma santhosh sivan-Oda award winning padam. Thilak intha maathiri padangaL chennai thaviRa vERu engEyum release aaguRathilla. So no one will know Originally Posted by villan007
ithi innathu ? Originally Posted by thilak4life
Also I heard that this movie wasnt as good as the terrorist
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:25 PM [Full View]
sujatha and the juries of international film festival are on same plane?
maddy
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From: mrsrajan on 4th May 2007 09:26 PM [Full View]
//Dig Originally Posted by thilak4life
Thilak
Happy to see you in this forum.
I have read many of your posts in Orkut.
//End Dig.
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:26 PM [Full View]
Edhu sir? Originally Posted by thimuru
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:27 PM [Full View]
adhu sari...unga post ellame apdithan iruku....idhula edha solla Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Edhu sir? Originally Posted by thimuru
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From: ajaybaskar on 4th May 2007 09:29 PM [Full View]
ok sir. Kamalthaan world's best director. Originally Posted by thimuru
adhu sari...unga post ellame apdithan iruku....idhula edha solla Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Edhu sir? Originally Posted by thimuru
Now do i sound tragic?
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From: swathy on 4th May 2007 09:30 PM [Full View]
innum sandai oyalaya
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:30 PM [Full View]
world's best director-a?
good!
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 09:32 PM [Full View]
Enna arumaiya ezuthureenga Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 09:35 PM [Full View]
Thanks a lot Nerd Originally Posted by Nerd
Glad you asked. Its an adaptation of a puthumaipithan short. Superb charecterizations, in MM kALi was established with just the rAman aaNdAlum song whereas in UP, vijayan, charuhassan in the first few scenes. Actually those scenes were the least impressive in the movie. Once the movie defines its characters, we get to see JM's brilliance. Realistic to the core, depicting how evil a human mind can be. The camera speaks, seriously. JM is known for his close-up shots, putting an actor under lots of pressure to emote Vijayan was terrific, wonder why did he fade away..
Another important aspect in this movie is that there is no information about the timeline. I mean you wont know if the next scene happens the next day or the next year! Keeps you guessing
The climax is one of the best ever. Just a simple speech by the baddy and you will fall for him. An amazing movie watching experience
P.S. The pace is very slow, slower than even nenjathai kiLLAthE . Your narrative only serves to highten my expectations. DVD, google video, burma bazaar enga pona kidaikum?
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 09:37 PM [Full View]
adha dhAn naanum thEduREn Originally Posted by kannannn
Thanks a lot Nerd . Your narrative only serves to highten my expectations. DVD, google video, burma bazaar enga pona kidaikum? But it is available in India in a lot of stores. Next time you visit India, do get the VCD :P
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 09:40 PM [Full View]
Kannaan sir..singapore vaanga Originally Posted by Nerd
adha dhAn naanum thEduREn Originally Posted by kannannn
Thanks a lot Nerd . Your narrative only serves to highten my expectations. DVD, google video, burma bazaar enga pona kidaikum? But it is available in India in a lot of stores. Next time you visit India, do get the VCD :P .Uthiri Pookal VCD kidaikkuthu
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 09:42 PM [Full View]
moser bear released udhiripookal?
where is moser bear shop in chennai?
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 09:43 PM [Full View]
Oh sure :P . It will be on the top of my list. BTW, Johnny avatar super. Originally Posted by Nerd
Joe, Anegama September Singapore varuven. Adhukku munnadiye India ponalum pogalam.
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 09:46 PM [Full View]
YES! Mosabaer has released Johnny VCD and Udhiripukal DVD. It's available in every big store like Landmark, Music world, etc..Relatives TN-la irundha. Courier panna solunga! Originally Posted by Nerd
adha dhAn naanum thEduREn Originally Posted by kannannn
Thanks a lot Nerd . Your narrative only serves to highten my expectations. DVD, google video, burma bazaar enga pona kidaikum? But it is available in India in a lot of stores. Next time you visit India, do get the VCD :P
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 09:46 PM [Full View]
Vaanga ..Airport-la ungala kandupidikkurathu easy thane .avatar-la thaan unga photo pottirukeengle Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 09:49 PM [Full View]
indha still Jhonny padathil irunthu illai. The mush is not *straight* Originally Posted by kannannn
Its from dharmayuththam :P
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 09:49 PM [Full View]
Nice to see you too Originally Posted by mrsrajan
//Dig Originally Posted by thilak4life
Thilak
Happy to see you in this forum.
I have read many of your posts in Orkut.
//End Dig. May I know your name in Orkut? so that I would remember where we discussed and moreover, in which community? Because, I never knew hub's existence. I had to join many communities to discuss various things! Thanks to Hub, it's a single interface!
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 09:52 PM [Full View]
enna aachhu thimuru??? over-a anti-rajini-arr feel-la edhaavadhu kolambidichha ungalakku??? Originally Posted by thimuru
sujatha and the juries of international film festival are on same plane?
maddy
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From: P_R on 4th May 2007 09:53 PM [Full View]
pAce remba slow. Naan romba ethirpArppOda pArthEn. I saw it long back on DD with timely intervention of Lux soap ads. So I don't recall it too well. Originally Posted by Nerd
Glad you asked. Its an adaptation of a puthumaipithan short. Superb charecterizations, in MM kALi was established with just the rAman aaNdAlum song whereas in UP, vijayan, charuhassan in the first few scenes. Actually those scenes were the least impressive in the movie. Once the movie defines its characters, we get to see JM's brilliance. Realistic to the core, depicting how evil a human mind can be. The camera speaks, seriously. JM is known for his close-up shots, putting an actor under lots of pressure to emote Vijayan was terrific, wonder why did he fade away..
Another important aspect in this movie is that there is no information about the timeline. I mean you wont know if the next scene happens the next day or the next year! Keeps you guessing
The climax is one of the best ever. Just a simple speech by the baddy and you will fall for him. An amazing movie watching experience
P.S. The pace is very slow, slower than even nenjathai kiLLAthE
And judge, I would any day rate MR over NK and I dont think both are similar
Must see it again soon. MR keeps talking about various aspects of the screenplay. Like, nearly every scene's begins with a dialogue spoken by someone off-screen. And the camera slowly takes you to the speaker.
One thing I remember is that Vijayan too isn't shown to be 'tastelessly evil' in conduct. But people always react to that image of him in fear and hatred. When he asks for his sister-in-law's hand in marriage, he will actually do it respectfully and even with a hint of shyness. But ChAruhasan, his father in law, will flare up and retort with very strong words.
So when the whole village reacts in the end (and with Vijayan's speech) you feel they have gone overboard perhaps reacting to their own impression of him that what he actually is.
Beautiful post thilak.
Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: P_R on 4th May 2007 09:54 PM [Full View]
Is this the movie with the aagAya Gangai song ? Originally Posted by Nerd
indha still Jhonny padathil irunthu illai. The mush is not *straight* Originally Posted by kannannn
Its from dharmayuththam :P
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 09:56 PM [Full View]
Thanks for the info Thilak.
Nerd, andha kannadiyum, cigarretum paarthu kozhambitten (the scene where he repaints the car during the opening credits). Ippo thelinjutten
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From: joe on 4th May 2007 09:57 PM [Full View]
Aama Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Is this the movie with the aagAya Gangai song ? Originally Posted by Nerd
indha still Jhonny padathil irunthu illai. The mush is not *straight* Originally Posted by kannannn
Its from dharmayuththam :P
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From: Sanjeevi on 4th May 2007 09:57 PM [Full View]
Definitely orkut is not developed for discussions like we are doing here Originally Posted by thilak4life
. Even they introduced seach facility very later.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 10:02 PM [Full View]
maddy...do u think sujatha is cine genius when compared to the juries of international film festival?
avaru dialogues-e ara vekatuthanamthan
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 10:11 PM [Full View]
how many juries have made movies/written dialogues and good ones at that??? Originally Posted by thimuru
maddy...do u think sujatha is cine genius when compared to the juries of international film festival?
avaru dialogues-e ara vekatuthanamthan ..........
u only remember, its the same clan of juries which gave "crouching tiger......" rejecting "hey raam" - do u agree to that???
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From: Nerd on 4th May 2007 10:13 PM [Full View]
strongly disagree. sujathA is one of my favorite dialog writers. The subtle humor intertwined in the dialogs is unmatchable :P Originally Posted by thimuru
avaru dialogues-e ara vekatuthanamthan
and dharmayuddham is the movie in which amAvaasai attacks Rajini
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 10:17 PM [Full View]
I've seen both. 'Terrorist' - when you question the content on display, it may fail. It's known for its lush green cinematography. Of course, northies (and hence the national jury) like this main idea. Who wouldn't love an idea of a terrorist's act of assassinating a popular leader? But I had issues with it. What I like about the movie was, her dilemma..especially after she gets pregnant. SS made it little loose with her transformation. Having said that, It's a true Indie movie from its locations, characters(underplayed), plot and execution. Originally Posted by Nerd
athu namma santhosh sivan-Oda award winning padam. Thilak intha maathiri padangaL chennai thaviRa vERu engEyum release aaguRathilla. So no one will know Originally Posted by villan007
ithi innathu ? Originally Posted by thilak4life
Also I heard that this movie wasnt as good as the terrorist
While in Navarasa, it's an issue which none of them dare to venture. It has, in many ways changed my repulsiveness over a sensitive issue, yes I am talking about transsexuals(not transgenders). one little warning though - Khushboo irks you a little bit !
The nativity in some ways beats Almodovar's 'All about my mother'(Another movie with far more wider perspective in that issue - Transvestites). It's no classic but surely one of the best efforts from Thamizh cinema in recent times.
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From: P_R on 4th May 2007 10:18 PM [Full View]
Oh ok I remember now Originally Posted by Nerd
and dharmayuddham is the movie in which amAvaasai attacks Rajini
The Rajini-SridEvi tiffs in the first part are pretty enjoyable.
SridEvi (and possibly Sripriya) was one actress who could ably match Rajini and Kamal. They don't make that kind anymore.
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 10:19 PM [Full View]
u cant blame the juries without knowing their profile! Originally Posted by MADDY
how many juries have made movies/written dialogues and good ones at that??? Originally Posted by thimuru
maddy...do u think sujatha is cine genius when compared to the juries of international film festival?
avaru dialogues-e ara vekatuthanamthan ..........
u only remember, its the same clan of juries which gave "crouching tiger......" rejecting "hey raam" - do u agree to that???
but we know that sujatha had never made any movie
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 10:28 PM [Full View]
u cant tell that, they are better than sujatha without knowing their profiles rite??? Originally Posted by thimuru
u cant blame the juries without knowing their profile! Originally Posted by MADDY
how many juries have made movies/written dialogues and good ones at that??? Originally Posted by thimuru
maddy...do u think sujatha is cine genius when compared to the juries of international film festival?
avaru dialogues-e ara vekatuthanamthan ..........
u only remember, its the same clan of juries which gave "crouching tiger......" rejecting "hey raam" - do u agree to that???
but we know that sujatha had never made any movie ......show me their profiles and prove that they are better than sujatha and then lets see....
though sujatha has never made movies, his dialogues/stories/articles/analysis are there for evryone to see......
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From: P_R on 4th May 2007 10:32 PM [Full View]
SujAtha is quite knowledgable, particularly wrt storytelling. He has put in years of work understanding the medium. His 'thiraikkadhai ezhuthuvathu eppadi' is one of the more interesting, down-to-earth books about screenwriting, particularly wrt Tamil films.
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 10:36 PM [Full View]
Yes. But Sridevi is limited due to her reactions. She does what she can do best. The retarded role in 'Moondram pirai' was her territory as she has that 'kiddish' feel about her. She can play few harder roles as well. Not that she hasn't done varied roles. But she impressed me with that particular role! Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Oh ok I remember now Originally Posted by Nerd
and dharmayuddham is the movie in which amAvaasai attacks Rajini
The Rajini-SridEvi tiffs in the first part are pretty enjoyable.
SridEvi (and possibly Sripriya) was one actress who could ably match Rajini and Kamal. They don't make that kind anymore.
And yes, Sripriya can do a stubborn hard-willed feminist like in Aval appidi thaan or a prostitute who could stand for herself in spite of all the adversities in 'Vaazhve mayyam'.
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 10:39 PM [Full View]
That Sujatha is knowledgeable cannot be disputed. What is questionable however, is his tendencey to praise people he is working with, irrespective of their real talent. Given that, it is difficult to call him the authority on what is good and bad. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 10:48 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kannannn
That Sujatha is knowledgeable cannot be disputed. What is questionable however, is his tendencey to praise people he is working with, irrespective of their real talent. Given that, it is difficult to call him the authority on what is good and bad. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Adhe daan!
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 10:52 PM [Full View]
dnt cmare sujatha and the juries...its u who did the comparison without knowing their profiles Originally Posted by MADDY
u cant tell that, they are better than sujatha without knowing their profiles rite??? Originally Posted by thimuru
u cant blame the juries without knowing their profile! Originally Posted by MADDY
how many juries have made movies/written dialogues and good ones at that??? Originally Posted by thimuru
maddy...do u think sujatha is cine genius when compared to the juries of international film festival?
avaru dialogues-e ara vekatuthanamthan ..........
u only remember, its the same clan of juries which gave "crouching tiger......" rejecting "hey raam" - do u agree to that???
but we know that sujatha had never made any movie ......show me their profiles and prove that they are better than sujatha and then lets see....
though sujatha has never made movies, his dialogues/stories/articles/analysis are there for evryone to see......
remember ...go back and see
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From: RajaRam on 4th May 2007 11:04 PM [Full View]
i think ARM, vishnu, KSR, and even the great Kamalhassan dont fit in my scheme of greatest directors.....I have not seen/appreciated a lot of sridhar movies. But I guess mahendran, BR, MR are far superior than KH who has just directed two movies. A so-so virumaaNdi and a brilliant hey raamFor me, the best director ever is MahendranIf Kamal can prove his success by making atleast 20 movies , then one can call him a great director . I mean consistency & ability to withstand changing times.
some hubbers posted their comments here Without knowing anything about Tamil directors.
To mahendran supporters(I know only Rajini fans are supporting him )
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Do you all know how many movies he directed?
As of my knowledge he directed around 7 tamil movies(I might forgot some moremovies).
1.Mullum malarum
2.Udhiripookal(based on novel written by pulamai pithan)
3.pootadha pootukkal
4.johny
5.nenjathai killathe
6.Nandu
7.Name forgot(Aravind samy acted as hero)
Among those movies he got name only in 3 movies
1.Mullum malarum
2.udhiripookal
3.Nenjathai killathe.
So IMO defenitely he is not a trend setter in tamil film history.
IMO Trend setters in Tamil film industry are
1.Sridhar
2.Balachandar
3.Bharathi Raja
4.Bhagyaraj
5.Balu Mahendra
6.Mani Ratnam
7.Kamal
(Here I missed some old directors like bandhulu,beemsingh,neelakandan,krishnan panju,AP nagarajan etc.
because they were famous only in certain periods and their movies were looked like dramas--IMO)
Sridhar
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When MGR and shivaji were dominated in the cinefield and movies were released based on history,devotional and Dramatic,
He started to give real life movies..
He was dominated in Tamil film industry almost 20 years.
Sridhar's best movies(IMO)
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1.Kalyana parisu
2.Nenjil oru alayam
3.Kaadhalikka neramillai
4.Poliskaran mahal
5.Then nilavu
6.Ilamai oonjaladukiradhu
Balachandar
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He also followed the same way to give real life stories like sridhar as well as some extradinary(!) movies.
IMO he is the one and only director got success in both village and city subjects.
Balachandar best movies((IMO)
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1.Edhir neechal
2.Iru koduhal
3.Aval oru thodarhadhai
4.Nizhal nijamahiradhu
5.Apporva rahangal
6.Thanneer thanneer
8.Varumaiyin niram sivappu
9.Achamillai Achamillai
10.sindhu bairavai
Bharati Raja
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till now IMO he is the best director in handling village subjects.
Bharati's best movies(IMO)
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1.16 vayathinile
2.Kizakke pohum rail
3.Man vaasanai
4.Pudhumai penn
5.Vedam pudhidu
6.Kizhakku cheemaiyile
Bhagya raj
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In tamil film industry, he is the first director to act as a hero and got success also.
In early 80s he was box office king,dominating industry than kamal and Rajini.
Bhagyaraj's best movies(IMO)
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1.Oru kai osai
2.Suvar illadha sithirangal
3.Kanni paruvathile
4.Andha ezhu natkal
5.Mouna geethangal
6.Thooral ninnu pochu
7.Mundhanai mudichu...
Continue....
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 11:08 PM [Full View]
bagyaraj
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From: MADDY on 4th May 2007 11:21 PM [Full View]
see, u poked at sujatha's support of mani and shankar.....there was some mention of south korean award to kamal movie which led to this comparison.......... Originally Posted by thimuru
dnt cmare sujatha and the juries...its u who did the comparison without knowing their profiles
remember ...go back and see
so when u say u respect SK view u've got to prove that they r better than sujatha rite.........
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From: P_R on 4th May 2007 11:23 PM [Full View]
Point taken. Tendency to praise those you work with is universal. But again, Sujatha's actually pretty subtle and invites you to read between the lines. Originally Posted by kannannn
For instance in his book he would have called Ravichandran (director of KannedhirE thOndrinAL - a movie SujAtha wrote the dialogues for) a very hardworking guy. That far and no further
Another instance when the mike was thrust before him when he came out of the aalavanthaan premiere he said "thozhilnutpa reethiyil siRappA vanthirukku"
(enakku sirippA vandhuchu)
That apart, he is one of the most interesting dialogue writers around. To call his work arai-vEkkAduthanam is harsh.
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From: thilak4life on 4th May 2007 11:28 PM [Full View]
haha..and generally one can sense that he is going to shower his praises whenever the mike goes to him! Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Point taken. Tendency to praise those you work with is universal. But again, Sujatha's actually pretty subtle and invites you to read between the lines. Originally Posted by kannannn
For instance in his book he would have called Ravichandran (director of KannedhirE thOndrinAL - a movie SujAtha wrote the dialogues for) a very hardworking guy. That far and no further
Another instance when the mike was thrust before him when he came out of the aalavanthaan premiere he said "thozhilnutpa reethiyil siRappA vanthirukku"
(enakku sirippA vandhuchu)
That apart, he is one of the most interesting dialogue writers around. To call his work arai-vEkkAduthanam is harsh.
And all the time, he says it with his trademark sarcastic smile!
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From: kannannn on 4th May 2007 11:36 PM [Full View]
He is one of my favourite authors and I too don't agree with calling his work arai-vekaduthanam. Naan munnadi sonna madhiri, when someone praises Anniyan as one of the best movies ever and justifies the transformation scenes, it is difficult to trust the objectivity of his praises. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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From: nemesis786 on 4th May 2007 11:37 PM [Full View]
Who is the director of "PESUM PADAM" / PUSHPAK? Is he a tamil director? If so he does deserve a place in there :P
What about Cheran
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From: thimuru on 4th May 2007 11:42 PM [Full View]
singeetham srinivasa rao Originally Posted by nemesis786
Who is the director of "PESUM PADAM" / PUSHPAK? Is he a tamil director? If so he does deserve a place in there :P
What about Cheran
director of
pushpak
mmkr
aboorva sagodharargal
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From: nemesis786 on 4th May 2007 11:46 PM [Full View]
Thimuru he deserves to be on the list then
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From: m_23_bayarea on 4th May 2007 11:48 PM [Full View]
MANIRATNAM! The revolution amongst Indian directors...
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From: villan007 on 4th May 2007 11:49 PM [Full View]
I think it was Kamal who ghost-directed those Originally Posted by nemesis786
Thimuru he deserves to be on the list then ..
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From: nemesis786 on 4th May 2007 11:50 PM [Full View]
Only maniratnam has experimented with child related subject - ANJALI super effort
We need more novel efforts without mega budget like HOME ALONE, BABY's DAY OUT etc!
I wonder when we will get out of booty shake item numbers, 2 kuthu barota songs, 2 duets unwanted heroines pissing audience off
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From: nemesis786 on 4th May 2007 11:50 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by villan007
I think it was Kamal who ghost-directed those Originally Posted by nemesis786
Thimuru he deserves to be on the list then .. 
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From: P_R on 5th May 2007 01:12 AM [Full View]
Has anyone seen the Telugu film AdityA 369 directed by Singheethem ? Have heard a lot about it. Originally Posted by nemesis786
Thimuru he deserves to be on the list then
The two non-Kamal Singeetham films I tried were disasters - Chinna VaathiyAr and Little John.
Originally Posted by kannannn
idhu eppO ? Best movies ever-A ?
btw I chanced upon some serious sociological analyses in journals analyzing Anniyan. Nalla comedy
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From: MADDY on 5th May 2007 01:20 AM [Full View]
have no doubts in that Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
MANIRATNAM! The revolution amongst Indian directors...
India today once carried a article on "Roja" and how it identified a real time villain of "terrorism" to Indian movies, marking the deprature of unreal "mogambos" and "bad men"......
PR, even kamal's attempt at comedies without singeetham - MX and ND were not of the MMKR caliber...... ......am i wrong??
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From: P_R on 5th May 2007 01:38 AM [Full View]
MX was directed by Singeetham. What was missing was Crazy Mohan, Kamal tried writing the dialogues himself and it bombed. Originally Posted by MADDY
PR, even kamal's attempt at comedies without singeetham - MX and ND were not of the MMKR caliber...... ......am i wrong??
I actually like ND . Along with AnbE Sivam it is one of my favourite Maddy films. Of course, it is not in the same league as the Kamal-Singeetham combos.
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From: P_R on 5th May 2007 01:51 AM [Full View]
Many academics ripped apart the depiction of the baddies in RojA and felt the treatment did a disservice to the Kashmir issue. Actually the superficial take owes a lot to SujAtha's material (it was his short story). One can see a world of a difference between Roja's 'villains' as opposed to the ones in 'Dil Se' and KM. Originally Posted by MADDY
I hate it when some magazines write stuff like MR arrived with Roja. They write this because he was noticed up-North for Roja and thereafter. But many of his excellent films like Mouna Raagam, Nayagan, Anjali pre-date Roja. I am not a fan of his terror trilogy (quadrology including KM). I like it best when he is in storytelling mode without attempting conscious analyses.
For instance Iruvar was about the lives of the Iruvar. The film was that MR did not attempt to dissect and present the ideology, progresses and challenges of the Dravidian movement. Some critics came down heavily against MR for this. But actually, the strength of that film was that it had avoided all that and stuck to the lives of the two, keeping the politics and all in the background.
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From: MADDY on 5th May 2007 02:07 AM [Full View]
yea rite......if the movie had ended with Arvind swamy getting brutally killed by terrorists - blood smeared all over the place and madhubala searching for arvind and getting gang raped by desperate army men, critics wud have appreciated it Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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i think, people dont want to accept some of mani's "unreal" endings........but in reality
roja - Indian Oil officer doraisamy had a miraculous escape from Kashmir terrorists in 1990-91 period.....
bombay - i have lived in mumbai and i really saw the bombay climax scene in front of my eyes(after5-6 yrs of riots though) in a less dramatic way.....Hindus and muslims making concsious efforts to join hands in rebuilding bombay......
Guru - Dhirubhai ambani had school of cases pending against him, still he came out of all with a meagre fine of 65 crores or sorts..........
we think its unreal and Mani escapes from problems- but life always has surprises and good ones at that..........sadness/darkness is not the only reality
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From: kannannn on 5th May 2007 02:07 AM [Full View]
Adhu Anniyan release bodhu.. He was talking about how accurately the issue was dealt with, how good the end product was and blah blah.. Romba kaduppayitten.. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
idhu eppO ? Best movies ever-A ?
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From: P_R on 5th May 2007 04:21 AM [Full View]
Maddy the critics weren't referring to the ending. They were referring to the depth at which the problem was tackled. Little did they know what was in store
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From: thimuru on 5th May 2007 03:27 PM [Full View]
Maddy MX was by singeetham and sathi leelavathi was done by balu mahendra. Originally Posted by MADDY
have no doubts in that Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
MANIRATNAM! The revolution amongst Indian directors...
India today once carried a article on "Roja" and how it identified a real time villain of "terrorism" to Indian movies, marking the deprature of unreal "mogambos" and "bad men"......
PR, even kamal's attempt at comedies without singeetham - MX and ND were not of the MMKR caliber...... ......am i wrong??
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From: Nakeeran on 5th May 2007 03:36 PM [Full View]
Sinec MX failed , do you mean to say that it was a Singeetham movie AND NOT KAMAL ?
So Kamal had no role to play ?
Besides, when kamal acts for directors like KB/BR/ Balu M , I dont think he will be allowed to interfere in the making of the movie. Give credit to them atleast .
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From: Nakeeran on 5th May 2007 03:42 PM [Full View]
IMO , without considering the likes of KB/BR/BM / Mahendran etc, if one looks at the current crop , Maniratnam is the best . The gap between MR and others are ................................................ wide
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From: thimuru on 5th May 2007 03:59 PM [Full View]
romba avarasarapadheenga Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Maddy said MX is not by singeetham....so i said hes the director
mulusa padikanum...ok?
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From: raaja_rasigan on 5th May 2007 05:07 PM [Full View]
kamal's one of the best comedies is singaravelan
&
R V Udhayakumar, at one period... in the early 90's he was directing all the superstars of that time
Rajini
kamal
vijaykanth
prabhu
karthik
every film is a hit......
then he faded away
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From: Nakeeran on 5th May 2007 05:11 PM [Full View]
Raja rasigare
Oru thidukidum vishayangalai solgireergal ?
Prabhu / Karthik . Ivunga ellam Super starsungalaa Saami ?
Enna comedy seireegalaa inge ? Nakkal romba too too much
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From: raaja_rasigan on 5th May 2007 05:19 PM [Full View]
The best director (for me)
Barathiraja
reasons:
16 vayathinilae
sigappu rojakkal
Nizhalgal ...... i felt a bit sorry for him when this film failed (some days back i have read joe's blog regarding this film & comparison with varumaiyin niram sivappu)
Alaigal oyvathillai
mudhal mariyadhai
kadalora kavidhaigal
Tik Tik Tik
:
:
Thamizhselvan (i donno how many of u know about this... vijaykanth film.... not a bad one though)
& some more
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The best thing of his films is:
he will convey the message of a scene without any dialogues... of course with the help of isaignani
The first one who had shown the sunrise & sunset kind of natural thing in screen (nizhalgal, alaigal oyvadhillai)... i donno any 1 b4 had done this in tamil
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From: raaja_rasigan on 5th May 2007 05:21 PM [Full View]
super star oruvardhaan - no gusses (rajini) .... Originally Posted by Nakeeran
star nu sonna andha kalathula i mean in 90's - prasanth koda stardhaan.....
so i meant that super star mean ... konjam fan base irundhu padam hit kudutha stars.....
nothing nakkal abt that
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From: raaja_rasigan on 5th May 2007 06:09 PM [Full View]
Another good director:
K Bagyaraj
Never wastes any scene in a film atleast 90% of scenes...
one of the best screenplay writer (along with barathiraja)
Mostly his name will be displayed at some highlight scene of the film..
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some of his good movies....
suvar illadha sithirangal..... kounders special.. sarosa kuppa kotturiya.. aama tailor
Thavani kanavugal..... both sivaji & barathiraja had acted in this
chinna vedu
Mundhanai mudichu
Enga chinna rasa
naan sigappu manidhan..... did he direct his portion of scenes in this film?
thooral ninnu pochu
vidiyum varai kaathiru..... this film doesnt hav comedy in a single frame
andha 7 natkal
indru poi naalai vaa ........ hilarious comedy
darling darling darling
etc...
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From: RajaRam on 6th May 2007 02:09 PM [Full View]
SSR directed Rajkamal's first movie 'Raja parvai' also.singeetham srinivasa rao
director of
pushpak
mmkr
aboorva sagodharargal
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From: RajaRam on 6th May 2007 04:13 PM [Full View]
Balu mahendra
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Balu is famous not only in Direction. in cinematography too.
He is the only director not compromise in commercial elements since his first tamil movie 'Azhiyadha kolangal'
Balu's best movies(IMO)
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1.Azhiyadha kolangal
2.Moonram pirai
3.Moodu pani
4.Veedu
5.Sandhiya raagam
In late 80s Kamal and Mani Ratnam started to dominate in the tamil cine field
and Balachander,Bharathi raja, bhagyaraj and Balu mahendra's domination came to end.
Kamal haasan
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Till Nayagan, he was a commercial hero.
after Nayagan's stupendous success,Kamal seriously focussed to give good cinemas.
though officially he directed 3 movies,un officially he directed lot of movies.
Kamal is the only director not giving importance to songs in most of his movies.
Kamal's best movies(IMO -after Nayagan)
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1.Satya
2.Pesumpadam
3.MMKR
4.Guna
5.Devar Mahan
6.Maha nadhi
7.kuruthi punal
8.Hey ram
9.Anbe sivam.
Mani Ratnam
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Mani started his career with ordinary movie Pahalnilavu(1985).
Now he is the only tamil director dominating Hindi industry too in 75 years tamil history(Am I correct?).
Mani's Best movies(IMO)
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1.Mouna Raaagam
2.Naayagan
3.Anjali
4.Roja
5.Kannathil muthamittal
Over all if you see after 10 years, Kamal would be the best director not only in Tamilnadu in whole Indian industry too.
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From: MADDY on 6th May 2007 04:15 PM [Full View]
RajaRam - Mani's first movie was "pallavi Anupallavi" in Kannada ..........his second movie was unaru in Malayalam and then only came to tamil........
anyways very good list of all directors from u -
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From: RajaRam on 6th May 2007 04:24 PM [Full View]
I have mentioned only for Tamil industry.RajaRam - Mani's first movie was "pallavi Anupallavi" in Kannada ..........his second movie was unaru in Malayalam and then only came to tamil
Even for Balu mahendra, His first movie is Gokila(kannada).Kamal acted as hero,silver jublee movie and I think It got national award too.
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From: NOV on 7th May 2007 06:58 AM [Full View]
as far as I know Kamal only directed two movies - Chachi and Hey Ram.
he, shadow directing many films, is all hearsay, and I dont want to dwell on that.
as for his two ventures, Chachi was horrible, to say the least. a lesson on how NOT to make a movie.
Hey Ram IMO was excellent (I know it has its detractors) If you could ignore the obvious narcissm in HR, it is indeed a benchmark in film direction.
So, all I can concede is, Kamal has got great potentials to be an excellent director but so far has not enough samples to come to a conclusion.
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From: joe on 7th May 2007 07:21 AM [Full View]
Virumaandi-nnu oru padam vanthathaavathu unglaLukku theriyuma? Originally Posted by NOV
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From: joe on 7th May 2007 07:26 AM [Full View]
Oru Paanai Sotrukku oru sooRu patham. Originally Posted by NOV
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From: NOV on 7th May 2007 07:32 AM [Full View]
sorry Joe, Virumandi was one Kamal movie I missed watching in the cinema becos of some personal problems.
and that is why I said he has the potential. Originally Posted by joe
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From: mrsrajan on 7th May 2007 10:44 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Has anyone seen the Telugu film AdityA 369 directed by Singheethem ? Have heard a lot about it. Originally Posted by nemesis786
Thimuru he deserves to be on the list then
The two non-Kamal Singeetham films I tried were disasters - Chinna VaathiyAr and Little John.
Originally Posted by kannannn
idhu eppO ? Best movies ever-A ?
btw I chanced upon some serious sociological analyses in journals analyzing Anniyan. Nalla comedy
Prabhu Ram
That movie was an experimental film in those days related with Time machine. And it was superhit moive and it had Balakrishna as a lead. And was Appreciated by Many in those days. It is a nice entertainer too. He also directed one more famous movie "Mayoori" which had Sudha Chandran as a lead.
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From: Thirumaran on 7th May 2007 11:13 AM [Full View]
Me too. Originally Posted by NOV
But in my opinion when you wrote a screenplay of a movie i think half the work of the director is done Going by that count Kamal had directed around 6 or 7 movies
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From: Thirumaran on 7th May 2007 11:23 AM [Full View]
Many BR movies had screenplay by some others. Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
What are the movies BR wrote screenplay.?
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From: NOV on 7th May 2007 11:27 AM [Full View]
I know you are ready to handover the medal (of dircetorship) to anyone who writes the screenplay, but sorry, I will not be an accomplice to that.
To me, a director is like a captain of a ship. Any other role he takes on is supplementary and does not reflect on his stewardship.
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From: Thirumaran on 7th May 2007 11:29 AM [Full View]
Bala, Ameer, GM are good directors. Fine. But, athukulla Best Director list la irukanumaa Cricket Rating la include panrathukku eppadi minimu runs/Wickets consider panraangalo, athae maathiri intha maathiru Poll open pannum boathu consider pannaa nalla irukkum. :P
Actors include pannanumnaa 10 movies, directors 5 movie, etc.. along with the popularity or good recognition
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From: Thirumaran on 7th May 2007 11:31 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by NOV
To me, a director is like a captain of a ship. Any other role he takes on is supplementary and does not reflect on his stewardship.
Once in a bluemoon, ippadi urupadiyaa yaethavathu solledureenga
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From: karthik_sa2 on 7th May 2007 12:15 PM [Full View]
where is selvaragavan,cheran,bhagyaraj,kamalhasan?however gowtam menon is my worst director
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From: karthik_sa2 on 7th May 2007 12:25 PM [Full View]
raja rasiganBarathiraja
reasons:
16 vayathinilae
sigappu rojakkal
Nizhalgal ...... i felt a bit sorry for him when this film failed (some days back i have read joe's blog regarding this film & comparison with varumaiyin niram sivappu)
Alaigal oyvathillai
mudhal mariyadhai
kadalora kavidhaigal
Tik Tik Tik
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Thamizhselvan (i donno how many of u know about this... vijaykanth film.... not a bad one though)
& some more
also bharathiraja has brought up lot of good directors like bhagyraj,bala,ameer,parthiban<my fav>,pandiyarajan etc.
y maniratnam failed to bring up any talented directors???
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From: crajkumar_be on 7th May 2007 12:38 PM [Full View]
Alagam Perumal Originally Posted by karthik_sa2
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From: swathy on 7th May 2007 01:12 PM [Full View]
bala belongs to balu mahendra family
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From: groucho070 on 7th May 2007 01:19 PM [Full View]
Another MR assistant is K. Shubash. None of whome made much impact. Originally Posted by karthik_sa2
Here's an ironic thing. Barathiraja came to cinema to act. But he ended up directing. Both his sisyans, Bagyaraj and Manivannan, became directors AND actors.
For your information Karthik, Parthiban and Pandiyarajan are K Bagyaraj's assistants, not Barathiraja's.
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From: karthik_sa2 on 7th May 2007 01:42 PM [Full View]
but parthiban and pandiyarajan did work for bahrathiraja also.Another MR assistant is K. Shubash. None of whome made much impact.
Here's an ironic thing. Barathiraja came to cinema to act. But he ended up directing. Both his sisyans, Bagyaraj and Manivannan, became directors AND actors.
For your information Karthik, Parthiban and Pandiyarajan are K Bagyaraj's assistants, not Barathiraja's.
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From: seran on 7th May 2007 03:27 PM [Full View]
Susi Ganesan and Priya are upcoming good directors from MR Originally Posted by karthik_sa2
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From: groucho070 on 7th May 2007 03:39 PM [Full View]
You mean, work together, and when Bagyaraj went solo, the two joined him? Interesting. In that case, then Barathiraja is a hell of a mentor. He and KB has spawned many good directors. Originally Posted by karthik_sa2
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From: selvakumar on 7th May 2007 07:27 PM [Full View]
That was one of the weaknesses of that movies. I love Iruvar just for its FEEL GOOD FActor. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
But did he really portray the lives of those two people ? I hate him for screwing up MGR character to a greater extent. Even in a movie like "Agni Natchathiram" he did a good job by giving enough importance to both the characters. But Iruvar At the end, no one will remember the character of MGR. That was the biggest impact of that movie
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From: MADDY on 7th May 2007 07:52 PM [Full View]
but mani never told that it was "MGR-MK" story Originally Posted by selvakumar
That was one of the weaknesses of that movies. I love Iruvar just for its FEEL GOOD FActor.
But did he really portray the lives of those two people ? I hate him for screwing up MGR character to a greater extent. Even in a movie like "Agni Natchathiram" he did a good job by giving enough importance to both the characters. But Iruvar At the end, no one will remember the character of MGR. That was the biggest impact of that movie
no, being a ardent MGR admirer, i myself dint like Iruvar and wud definitely keep this below AP and Nayagan just for this reason.......many here know that Iruvar was initially called as "Anandhan" (a name which MGR had in many movies) .......so it was supposed to be a total MGR oriented movie ............but this film's shooting cut into MK's reign in 1996 and suddenly this movie bcame Iruvar...... ......now, i can and even u can speculate that - Mani fearing backlash from ruling party mite have changed the script but he cud have also had a genuine "change in thot" and cud have changed this movie........u never know....... ....
but i was happy that he didnt atleast accept openly that it was indeed MGR's character........otherwise he wud have lost many important fans of his who are MGR admirers
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From: selvakumar on 7th May 2007 07:57 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
but mani never told that it was "MGR-MK" story
That is one of the things which I HATE in him.
Thalapathy - Even a layman will find the |||rities with Karnan life
Iruvar - MGR - MK (he didn't accept it and that was )
GURU - Ambani story and I think he didn't accept this too.
Let me hope he doesn't direct a BIO-EPIC out of HIS LIFE and proclaim it as SOMETHING FROM HIS CREATIVE MIND.
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From: nemesis786 on 7th May 2007 07:57 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by MADDY
but mani never told that it was "MGR-MK" story
Let me hope he doesn't direct a BIO-EPIC out of HIS LIFE and proclaim it as SOMETHING FROM HIS CREATIVE MIND.
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From: thilak4life on 7th May 2007 07:59 PM [Full View]
MR makes those half-hearted gutless 'inspirations'. He calls them fictional despite being obvious. His movies would always carry this disclaimer of not having relation to people living or dead. Stupid, I say! And to make a movie inspired by Dhirubhai ambani and calling the character as Gurubhai reaffirms that! Originally Posted by MADDY
but mani never told that it was "MGR-MK" story Originally Posted by selvakumar
That was one of the weaknesses of that movies. I love Iruvar just for its FEEL GOOD FActor.
But did he really portray the lives of those two people ? I hate him for screwing up MGR character to a greater extent. Even in a movie like "Agni Natchathiram" he did a good job by giving enough importance to both the characters. But Iruvar At the end, no one will remember the character of MGR. That was the biggest impact of that movie
no, being a ardent MGR admirer, i myself dint like Iruvar and wud definitely keep this below AP and Nayagan just for this reason.......many here know that Iruvar was initially called as "Anandhan" (a name which MGR had in many movies) .......so it was supposed to be a total MGR oriented movie ............but this film's shooting cut into MK's reign in 1996 and suddenly this movie bcame Iruvar...... ......now, i can and even u can speculate that - Mani fearing backlash from ruling party mite have changed the script but he cud have also had a genuine "change in thot" and cud have changed this movie........u never know....... ....
but i was happy that he didnt atleast accept openly that it was indeed MGR's character........otherwise he wud have lost many important fans of his who are MGR admirers
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From: MADDY on 7th May 2007 08:00 PM [Full View]
also, i think he tries to play "Devil's advocate" in his movies......means, he places the other point of view against the "prevailing" sentiment......
Iruvar - MK's perspective of MGR-MK relationship.....
Uyire - Eastern people perspective against the Indian view.......
KM - Srilankan perspective against the usual eelam view that we all have......(though he did bring out the tamil's pain beautifully in couple of places)
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From: thilak4life on 7th May 2007 08:01 PM [Full View]
the other wealth kumar has already speculated what I just did! Munditaaru..cha! Why does it always happen to me?
BTW Let's hope Lajjo is from his creative mind
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From: selvakumar on 7th May 2007 08:02 PM [Full View]
Maddy,
Agree with you partially. I don't think UYIRAE was an "Eastern people perspective against the Indian view"
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From: nemesis786 on 7th May 2007 08:02 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: selvakumar on 7th May 2007 08:06 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thilak4life
the other wealth kumar has already speculated what I just did! Munditaaru..cha! Why does it always happen to me?
BTW Let's hope Lajjo is from his creative mind
I am expecting LAJJO a lot.. Amir Khan + MR
superb combo
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From: selvakumar on 7th May 2007 08:08 PM [Full View]
At the sametime, MR is a very good director. I like his movies. Naayagan was Mouna Raagam, AN, Uyirae etc
Recently, I loved GURU
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From: thilak4life on 7th May 2007 08:14 PM [Full View]
Yes. Amir khan is a perfect choice for Mani sir. And moreover, PC sir is rejoining with MR. Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by thilak4life
the other wealth kumar has already speculated what I just did! Munditaaru..cha! Why does it always happen to me?
BTW Let's hope Lajjo is from his creative mind
I am expecting LAJJO a lot.. Amir Khan + MR superb combo
Looking at the plot of the movie. Looks like Mani is going back to romantic drama. But my only worry is Kareena Kapoor. Her role looks complicated. Could she pull it out? Her best so far is the role in Omkara although it wasn't any extraordinary. VB extracted the best out of her in that movie. But still she is very limited!
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From: MADDY on 7th May 2007 08:17 PM [Full View]
it was..........he compares the young ladies - one from delhi and one from East --> look at them........girl from Delhi talks abt virginity,mcdonalds,girlfrnd/boyfrnd whereas the girl from east - cant even stand a male touching her Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy,
Agree with you partially. I don't think UYIRAE was an "Eastern people perspective against the Indian view" ..........he clearly brings out the "delhi's" ignorance of east..... ......uyire is one of his best/unlucky movies
and also - Lajjo will be one cracker...........Aamir is one hero who has the capacity and deep knowledge on various subjects........its just a question of synchronisation...... ......if they synchronise half of wat kamal-mani cud, then they can make a "timeless classic"
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From: kannannn on 7th May 2007 08:26 PM [Full View]
MADDY, isn't that true of any city-bred village-bred girl? Where is the ignorance on East? But I do accept that Uyire brought the best out of Shah Rukh. I was longing for the days of Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa and Maaya Memsaab when Uyire came. MR deserves a pat for bringing the best out of his actors. Originally Posted by MADDY
it was..........he compares the young ladies - one from delhi and one from East --> look at them........girl from Delhi talks abt virginity,mcdonalds,girlfrnd/boyfrnd whereas the girl from east - cant even stand a male touching her ..........he clearly brings out the "delhi's" ignorance of east..... ......uyire is one of his best/unlucky movies
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From: kannannn on 7th May 2007 08:30 PM [Full View]
Doesn't quite read like a romantic drama. The plot is very complicated and I wonder if MR can pull it off. VB comes immediately to mind on reading the plot. He could make one heck of a movie from this. The ending looks very similar to the German movie 'Fear Eats the Soul' Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: MADDY on 7th May 2007 08:34 PM [Full View]
the point was - a normal delhi girl is so "relaxed" that she is talking abt these things.........but the girl from east cant even think of such things and has to die for her people's cause.......it was not a comparison of cultures but the general degree of freedom that both have and comparison of amount of normality that those 2 people have........ Originally Posted by kannannn
selva, just like u r hoping mani wont make a movie on his life - i too hope that selvaraghavan doesent make another gangster movie with his relatives.....
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From: crajkumar_be on 7th May 2007 08:35 PM [Full View]
Superb storyline. Very interesting Originally Posted by kannannn
Doesn't quite read like a romantic drama. The plot is very complicated and I wonder if MR can pull it off. VB comes immediately to mind on reading the plot. He could make one heck of a movie from this. The ending looks very similar to the German movie 'Fear Eats the Soul' Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: thilak4life on 7th May 2007 08:37 PM [Full View]
What' genre' is it ? Looks like romance plus drama. Of course the romance is more psychotic than erotic Originally Posted by kannannn
Doesn't quite read like a romantic drama. The plot is very complicated and I wonder if MR can pull it off. VB comes immediately to mind on reading the plot. He could make one heck of a movie from this. The ending looks very similar to the German movie 'Fear Eats the Soul' Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: selvakumar on 7th May 2007 08:53 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
selva, just like u r hoping mani wont make a movie on his life - i too hope that selvaraghavan doesent make another gangster movie with his relatives.....
But atleast he will acknowledge it with dialogues like "Kooda poranthathukaaga padam ellaam edukka vendi irukku " which MR won't do
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From: kannannn on 7th May 2007 08:54 PM [Full View]
Point taken Originally Posted by MADDY
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Its a very interesting movie with some great acting too. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Adhe dhaan. It tackles much more than just romance. That's what I meant. Originally Posted by thilak4life
What' genre' is it ? Looks like romance plus drama. Of course the romance is more psychotic than erotic
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From: MADDY on 7th May 2007 09:20 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by MADDY
selva, just like u r hoping mani wont make a movie on his life - i too hope that selvaraghavan doesent make another gangster movie with his relatives.....
But atleast he will acknowledge it with dialogues like "Kooda poranthathukaaga padam ellaam edukka vendi irukku " which MR won't do - ippadiye solli solli innamum evalavu padathukku avaru thambiya poduvaram??
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From: thimuru on 7th May 2007 09:25 PM [Full View]
heyyy...dhanush did well in pudhupetai
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From: nemesis786 on 7th May 2007 09:54 PM [Full View]
Danush is best for selvaragavan film so far
Maniratnam is good director
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From: A.ANAND on 8th May 2007 09:28 AM [Full View]
ethanai director vanthalum ponalum maniratnam pola varuma????he his a KING OF INDIA CINEMA
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From: swathy on 8th May 2007 09:33 AM [Full View]
maddy: congrats Originally Posted by A.ANAND
ethanai director vanthalum ponalum maniratnam pola varuma????he his a KING OF INDIA CINEMA
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From: NOV on 8th May 2007 10:02 AM [Full View]
another congrats is also due, for I too accept Maniratnam as the best director of this generation. Originally Posted by swathy
maddy: congrats
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From: groucho070 on 8th May 2007 10:03 AM [Full View]
King of Indian Cinema...adeenggappadiyappaa....
That's stretching it a bit too far. But if current consensus is that, what can we do but try make all his films big hit.
There is yet a director whom I adore so much that I rush out to see whatever film he cranks out, even if they are ad films. Nope. None.
I agree with some of what Selva said about MR (so much anger, Selva) but bringing best out of actors? Who said that?
He brings the best out of experienced actors. Give him a new comer they all sound alike. You know, the 20 words persecond speed and braking halfway like someone held a knife at the back.
Handling newcomer? No one can beat K. Balachander. Not yet, anyway. So many newcomers, directors, technicians....
He brought the best out of his performers, his music composers, his crew, and the lyricists.
Most importantly, we should celebrate KB for grooming Kamal and Rajini alone (though they take majority credit for their own unique talents and hard bloody work) and giving them many memorable, suitable parts, and for encouraging what is best in them.
We have yet to see the best after KB. He is there somewhere in the horizon...waiting to jump on us and entertain, amaze, and drop our jaws....
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 8th May 2007 10:05 AM [Full View]
I am happy that Manirathnam is actually winning... ! Just for a single reason Originally Posted by NOV
another congrats is also due, for I too accept Maniratnam as the best director of this generation. Originally Posted by swathy
maddy: congrats
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From: NOV on 8th May 2007 10:09 AM [Full View]
I do. Two in fact - Mani & Shankar. Originally Posted by groucho070
heck, I even buy CD's blindly based on my trust in their capabilities - and have never been disappointed.
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From: thimuru on 8th May 2007 10:19 AM [Full View]
i think bala is best in moulding actors!
vikram and surya!
watch out for arya
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From: MADDY on 8th May 2007 11:53 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by swathy
maddy: congrats Originally Posted by A.ANAND
ethanai director vanthalum ponalum maniratnam pola varuma????he his a KING OF INDIA CINEMA .........but do u know, that i place mahendran,BR above Mani ........
Maniratnam is still a strong favorite amongst people.....i say tis cos, our hub is full of "intellects" who would appreciate a Pudhupettai than a Kannathil Muthhamittal...... .........
Mahendran,sridhar,KB are surprise packages here....more than expected votes for them .....BR's number is disappointing ............new guys -
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From: raaja_rasigan on 8th May 2007 10:41 PM [Full View]
Barathiraaja is BEST in this.... watch out for Originally Posted by thimuru
16 vayathinile, sigappu rojakkal, kadlora kavithaigal
pokkiri style'la sollanumna..... bala padicha school'a BarathiR aja headmaster....
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From: Sanjeevi on 8th May 2007 10:51 PM [Full View]
Appo balachandar secretarya? Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Barathiraaja is BEST in this.... watch out for Originally Posted by thimuru
16 vayathinile, sigappu rojakkal, kadlora kavithaigal
pokkiri style'la sollanumna..... bala padicha school'a BarathiR aja headmaster....
He moulded the same Rajni, Kamal and saritha, suhasini, prakashraj, etc
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From: thimuru on 8th May 2007 10:51 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Barathiraaja is BEST in this.... watch out for Originally Posted by thimuru
16 vayathinile, sigappu rojakkal, kadlora kavithaigal
pokkiri style'la sollanumna..... bala padicha school'a BarathiR aja headmaster....
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From: raaja_rasigan on 8th May 2007 10:58 PM [Full View]
@ sanjeevi:
16 vayathinile:
Azhagana kamal'a kovanam katti ulaava viduvatharkkum....
style'ana rajiniya... azhukku vetti uduthi, thundu beedi kaila koduthu, gramathu aalamarathu adiyila ukkara veikkavum...
thani dhairiyam vendum........
adhu barathiraajavukku mattume irundhadhu....
padam hit kodukka nenachurundha modhal padathula ippadi panniyirukka maattar that too in 1976
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From: Sanjeevi on 8th May 2007 11:07 PM [Full View]
@ raaja rasigan
If there was no BR, Kamal & Rajni both would had been missed some extraordinary experience and some lession. But I don't think that we would have missed kamal, rajni.
But without Bala, Vikram and Surya????
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From: Movie Cop on 9th May 2007 07:22 AM [Full View]
I'm sorry Thimuru! Dhanush may have done the best he could but w/o blaming Dhanush I must admit that unfortuanltey he didn't fit the bill as Kokki Kumar - a "strong" gangster! The role of Kokki Kumar requires a much more macho outlook! Someone like Arya or to some extent even Bharath or Vishal would have fitted that role better! For instance, the sight of Dhanush with his "beedi" body hitting 10 strong gangsters is far from conceivable. SR characterization-la konjam weak-o? Originally Posted by thimuru
Overall the movie was a good attempt but one can't help to think that PP was a cocktail of Nayagan & Dalapathy that's why it failed to reach/convince the audience!
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From: Movie Cop on 9th May 2007 07:37 AM [Full View]
Maddy - FYI - I voted for KB. I'm not sure what do you mean by "surprise packages" here but many old timers (so to speak) like me who followed Tamil cinema for several decades would be the first to acknowledge that the likes of Sridhar & KB are the pillars/pioneers in the field of direction. Originally Posted by MADDY
Mahendran,sridhar,KB are surprise packages here....more than expected votes for them .....BR's number is disappointing ............new guys -
For current generation folks - when it comes to direction they only think of Maniratnam, Shankar or the most recent folks like Bala, Gautam etc...
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From: karthik_sa2 on 9th May 2007 01:25 PM [Full View]
mani is a daring and close to reality director.i see only these two reasons making him so big.i don see any different creativity in him.
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From: Srimannarayanan on 9th May 2007 07:45 PM [Full View]
Iyakunar Imayam Bharathi Raja is the best director among the list.
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From: crajkumar_be on 9th May 2007 08:00 PM [Full View]
The Best director is undoubtedly Kamal Haasan
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From: raaja_rasigan on 9th May 2007 08:06 PM [Full View]
kamal & rajini ennum vairangalai kandu pidithavar KB... Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
@ raaja rasigan
If there was no BR, Kamal & Rajni both would had been missed some extraordinary experience and some lession. But I don't think that we would have missed kamal, rajni.
But without Bala, Vikram and Surya????
aanal adhai makkalukku kavarum vagayil pattai theettiyavar Barathiraaja...
I am not againt Bala, but i dont want to leave BR for best director throne.
Idayazhagi simranai, idai maraithu aadavittavan Bala
//But I don't think that we would have missed kamal, rajni//
This kind of statement we can make for anybody saying that "thiramaikku adhiga naal anai pottu thadukka mudiyaadhu"
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From: vasanth2006 on 10th May 2007 02:49 AM [Full View]
My Hot favourite director is Mani Rathnam
I like his romantic scenes very much.
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From: A.ANAND on 10th May 2007 10:30 AM [Full View]
maniratnam is big idol and inspiration for allmost young director in kollywodd today,including shanker and upcoming directors.his visual,story telling,sceenplay,camera,music,editing,art,ect...
but i hate his dialoge avarudaya pathippu illatha director-re illa 
he is AKIRA KURASAWA OF IN INDIAN CINEMA avara win panna innime yyaravathu poranthu than varanum!!!!
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From: A.ANAND on 10th May 2007 10:35 AM [Full View]
creativity illama daring and reality-ya story solla mudiyuma sir????neenga sollarathula logic illa sir! Originally Posted by karthik_sa2
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From: Hulkster on 10th May 2007 10:41 AM [Full View]
What do you guys think about Saravana Subbiah...Citizen was slick masala film and ABCD was a highlight on women troubles in the society...i feel he is also a very good director and certainly the most underrated
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From: crajkumar_be on 10th May 2007 10:42 AM [Full View]
1) It is Kurosawa Originally Posted by A.ANAND
he is AKIRA KURASAWA OF IN INDIAN CINEMA avara win panna innime yyaravathu poranthu than varanum!!!!
2) indha matter Kurosawa ku theriyuma?
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From: crajkumar_be on 10th May 2007 10:42 AM [Full View]
Please tell me you are joking. Please.... Originally Posted by Hulkster
What do you guys think about Saravana Subbiah...Citizen was slick masala film and ABCD was a highlight on women troubles in the society...i feel he is also a very good director and certainly the most underrated
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From: Hulkster on 10th May 2007 10:45 AM [Full View]
Well he is not that bad...atleast his movies have some highlight on human emotions...and what was wrong with citizen?..it could easily surpass most of the masala films ajith has done before....he does have some flaws but he is still quite good
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From: crajkumar_be on 10th May 2007 10:47 AM [Full View]
Well, good intentions and noble ideals don't necessarily translate into good films. He is miserable in execution IMO, especially ABCD. It was as though the dialogues were played in slow motion, particularly Shyam's and Sneha's father's Originally Posted by Hulkster
Well he is not that bad...atleast his movies have some highlight on human emotions...and what was wrong with citizen?..it could easily surpass most of the masala films ajith has done before....he does have some flaws but he is still quite good
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From: Madavan on 10th May 2007 11:07 AM [Full View]
He is a role model to Ameer, Bala, AR Murugados, Goutham, Selvaragavan, Baalaji SagthivEl and etc. You must be kidding because almost all of the aforementioned names have different role models. Originally Posted by A.ANAND
maniratnam is big idol and inspiration for allmost young director in kollywodd today,including shanker and upcoming directors.his visual,story telling,sceenplay,camera,music,editing,art,ect...
but i hate his dialoge avarudaya pathippu illatha director-re illa he is AKIRA KURASAWA OF IN INDIAN CINEMA avara win panna innime yyaravathu poranthu than varanum!!!!
Maniratnam maybe good in his own way but not best or one of the best. I can't still recover from his disastrous Kannathil Muthamittal, which was a "kappal paarka pOna sEvagan" type of alasal of the crisis in the island south to India.
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From: villan007 on 10th May 2007 11:10 AM [Full View]
so then what do you expect..nadakratha apdiye kaatanumna censor tharamataingappu :P Originally Posted by Madavan
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From: Madavan on 10th May 2007 11:14 AM [Full View]
Then he should avoid brainwashing the ignorants. Originally Posted by villan007
so then what do you expect..nadakratha apdiye kaatanumna censor tharamataingappu :P Originally Posted by Madavan
unmai sonna censor kaththari pOttaal, poi/vathanthi-i parappi nalla peyar sambaathikiratha avarudaiya thozhil. leave that to media please.
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From: NOV on 10th May 2007 11:15 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Please tell me you are joking. Please.... Originally Posted by Hulkster
What do you guys think about Saravana Subbiah...Citizen was slick masala film and ABCD was a highlight on women troubles in the society...i feel he is also a very good director and certainly the most underrated
Citizen was the last nail in the coffin. I have not felt like that until I recently saw PEAS in cinema
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From: NOV on 10th May 2007 11:19 AM [Full View]
madavan, leave it.
political problems cannot be solved thru cinema or at least that is not the media for it.
in any situation, there are many ways of looking at it. KM examines the situation through one angle. It doesnt promise to solve a 30 year old problem. Expecting political analysis from movies is naive.
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From: Madavan on 10th May 2007 11:25 AM [Full View]
I'm not expecting any solution or political analysis. It'd be the last thing I'll expect from Maniratnam.
Misinforming the public for the sake of making a good movie/image/reputation is tame.
I left.
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From: selvakumar on 10th May 2007 11:53 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by NOV
Citizen was the last nail in the coffin. I have not felt like that until I recently saw PEAS in cinema
We know that you enjoyed POI
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From: Thirumaran on 10th May 2007 12:11 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Please tell me you are joking. Please.... Originally Posted by Hulkster
What do you guys think about Saravana Subbiah...Citizen was slick masala film and ABCD was a highlight on women troubles in the society...i feel he is also a very good director and certainly the most underrated That was a nice one
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From: Thirumaran on 10th May 2007 12:12 PM [Full View]
What is the full form of POI Originally Posted by selvakumar
We know that you enjoyed POI
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From: Thirumaran on 10th May 2007 12:13 PM [Full View]
By the way Perarasu is missed in the list
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From: selvakumar on 10th May 2007 12:19 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Idayazhagi simranai, idai maraithu aadavittavan Bala
So neenga antha paatula Simranukku Iduppe illaennu sollureengla illa neenga paarkalayaa
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From: A.ANAND on 10th May 2007 12:23 PM [Full View]
mr.Madavan,unggalukku maniratnam mela enna kovamo ennaku theriyathu,they time-la maniratnam ellarukkum pidikum innu sollavum mudiyathu ,aana neenga sonna antha young director list-la ulla ellarome mariratnam is my 'guru'innu ottukithangga,atho pothatha??? Originally Posted by Madavan
He is a role model to Ameer, Bala, AR Murugados, Goutham, Selvaragavan, Baalaji SagthivEl and etc. You must be kidding because almost all of the aforementioned names have different role models. Originally Posted by A.ANAND
maniratnam is big idol and inspiration for allmost young director in kollywodd today,including shanker and upcoming directors.his visual,story telling,sceenplay,camera,music,editing,art,ect...
but i hate his dialoge avarudaya pathippu illatha director-re illa he is AKIRA KURASAWA OF IN INDIAN CINEMA avara win panna innime yyaravathu poranthu than varanum!!!!
Maniratnam maybe good in his own way but not best or one of the best. I can't still recover from his disastrous Kannathil Muthamittal, which was a "kappal paarka pOna sEvagan" type of alasal of the crisis in the island south to India.
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From: thilak4life on 10th May 2007 01:03 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Madavan
And people claim he brings out realism in a 'subtle' way. podalangai 'realiity'! All the more reason why we should trash it. Why blanket people with cheesy stuff although he tends to overuses this disclaimer, 'it's all fiction'. They why do you draw 'inspiration' or adapt 'serious' issues. If you use velakennai scripts with glossy touch to it, so be it! Filmmakers like Sudhir mishra, VB and Anurag kashyap (even Santosh sivan) have managed to venture into sensitive issues with far better success and 'realism'. But the current society go as fas as saying Mani is the 'most realistic' - Please! Moreover, the characters are often rehash of the mani's(or Mahendran's) kind. The actors 'underplay' (very few exceptions) and people claim it is realistic! Secondly, he uses every mainstream trick in the book - and it's laughable when they say he is all about quality.
Having said that, if the movie is made by Mani, I go watch it. because they have some of the best visuals, anga anga good sound and reasonably 'entertaining' storyline inspite of all the wishy-washy stuff! Eventhough I beef about him, the guy is one of the best "Masala" filmmaker (oh yeah - wonderful ad stuff and good music videos) from Tamil cinema. Avante-gardist - Nah, Maybe not! Of all the masala movies releasing, I would prefer Mani's.
The old Mani was much better than the currently transformed potboiler-making hindi filmmaker. Since I have few contacts, here is an info - Mani mended the dialogues in Guru, thanks to reynolds pen vilambarathula vara thatha and his gumbal's influence and this angered Anurag Kashyap who was the first-choice scriptwriter for the film. AK walked out after he couldn't stand the artificial punch lines without neutrality and 'realism' to portray Dhirubai..oh sorry Gurubhai's character! AK hates the whole thiruttu gumbal of As!
Let's hope Lajjo doesn't fall into that trap. Mainly because, Amir khan isn't as fickle, atleast from the evidence of RDB (Another 'masala' film).
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From: A.ANAND on 10th May 2007 01:10 PM [Full View]
avaru tv serial pannararu Originally Posted by Thirumaran
By the way Perarasu is missed in the list perarasu pola directors tamil-la ini vantha,saavu manithan!!! 
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From: MADDY on 10th May 2007 01:34 PM [Full View]
sorry sir, unga bias-ukku oru ellaiyae illama pochhu Originally Posted by thilak4life
........
1. Mani paduthhala anga anga nalla sounds/visuals??
2. Mani thiruttu gumbal-a??? idha solla neenga yaaru sir??(naan ungala personal-a sollala )
3. RDB is a masala flick??? ..........pinna vijaykanth padam ellam enna oscar material-a???
4. we all know y Mani was better b4 1992 and bcame bad suddenly after that
the problem i can see here is :
1. people judge mani with yardsticks of ART movie making
2. all appreciating Mani........no....its not........look at the number of anti-mani posts in this thread and u'll know.....
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From: thilak4life on 10th May 2007 01:43 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
sorry sir, unga bias-ukku oru ellaiyae illama pochhu Originally Posted by thilak4life
........
1. Mani paduthhala anga anga nalla sounds/visuals??
Okay. Mostly great. Sandoshama?
2. Mani thiruttu gumbal-a??? idha solla neenga yaaru sir??(naan ungala personal-a sollala )
I said, AK hates the whole thiruttu gumbal of As! Amitabh, Abhishek, Aishwarya rai, etc ..etc.. He respects and likes Mani because MR means a lot to him. Did I make myself clear?
3. RDB is a masala flick??? ..........pinna vijaykanth padam ellam enna oscar material-a???
RDB is a good masala flick. It had nice koothu song, sentiments, friendship, love,
Except that when you question it as a serious movie, it fails and disappoints. In fact the whole bunch of college students lashing out is an age-old story. Then comes the religious segregation, muslim and hindu young men fighting and joining together.
Gap10 padum is a bad masala movie. Maybe the worst one around.
4. we all know y Mani was better b4 1992 and bcame bad suddenly after that
Okay. Glad you know
the problem i can see here is :
1. people judge mani with yardsticks of ART movie making
People appreciate the man in name of "ART movie making" and not because of his wonderful assembling and compiling skills!
2. all appreciating Mani........no....its not........look at the number of anti-mani posts in this thread and u'll know.....
Lets look at the larger picture. Everyone claim he is realistic - which he is not. And looking at the votes he receives over people who are far better than him, should testify that
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From: MADDY on 10th May 2007 02:17 PM [Full View]
seri vidunga sir, we are not much different in our views - its just that i'm a bit soft on Mani and u r a bit harsh on him (bcos of others praising him ) ............
i rate BR as the most realistic director in Tamil....mahendran - hmmmm, his scripts have been normal ones (annan-thangachi, double role,koduma kaara purushan etc), so i have a slight bias for BR who has handled a much wider range of scripts ....
Bala,Ameer, Gautam, selva are realistic but they lack the finesse/subtlety that mehndran,BR,mani or sridhar possessed.....
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From: nemesis786 on 10th May 2007 02:32 PM [Full View]
Can someoe clsrify who directed the following movies :
1. VEEDU
2. KAADHALIKA NERAMILLAI
3. AALAYAMANI
4. GURU [ Kamal's]
5. THEE [ Rajin's]
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From: Srimannarayanan on 10th May 2007 03:03 PM [Full View]
Nemesis Originally Posted by nemesis786
Veedu - Balu Mahendra
Kathalikka Neramillai - Sridhar
Guru -> I.V.Sasi
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From: kalnayak on 10th May 2007 03:11 PM [Full View]
Nemesis and SrimanNarayanan,
Aalayamani by K.Sankar (he has directed a lot of MGR movies)
Thee by K.Vijayan (directed a number of Sivaji movies)
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From: nemesis786 on 10th May 2007 03:17 PM [Full View]
Srimannarayanan and kalnayak
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From: MADDY on 10th May 2007 05:07 PM [Full View]
this is y i have voted for Maniratnam, i will now, i will always
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7undnAarw7A
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From: kannannn on 10th May 2007 06:19 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
1) It is Kurosawa Originally Posted by A.ANAND
he is AKIRA KURASAWA OF IN INDIAN CINEMA avara win panna innime yyaravathu poranthu than varanum!!!!
2) indha matter Kurosawa ku theriyuma?
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From: Roshan on 10th May 2007 06:30 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kannannn
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
1) It is Kurosawa Originally Posted by A.ANAND
he is AKIRA KURASAWA OF IN INDIAN CINEMA avara win panna innime yyaravathu poranthu than varanum!!!!
2) indha matter Kurosawa ku theriyuma? 
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From: raaja_rasigan on 10th May 2007 06:52 PM [Full View]
i hope that Thee is by Krishnamurthy Originally Posted by kalnayak
he even directed Billa
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From: nemesis786 on 10th May 2007 06:54 PM [Full View]
"Billa" Krishnamurthy was my neighbour 3 years back! he used ot live in an apartments opposite to my house "Ranga Apartments"
Ipo gaali panitu vera engeyo poitaru
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From: thilak4life on 10th May 2007 09:07 PM [Full View]
Maddy Sir. yenna sola varinga..anda sodapal character Vidya Balan thevaiyae illaama padathula vanditu pOva! Maybe MR's cheap tactic to invoke the audience with that character - just to create a sympathy. BTW Maddy varum scene, unga favorite kedaiyaada? Originally Posted by MADDY
this is y i have voted for Maniratnam, i will now, i will always
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7undnAarw7A
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From: MADDY on 10th May 2007 10:52 PM [Full View]
u've totally missed the point abt. abhishek-vidya equation and missed the subtle message in this scene..... Originally Posted by thilak4life
Maddy Sir. yenna sola varinga..anda sodapal character Vidya Balan thevaiyae illaama padathula vanditu pOva! Maybe MR's cheap tactic to invoke the audience with that character - just to create a sympathy. BTW Maddy varum scene, unga favorite kedaiyaada? Originally Posted by MADDY
this is y i have voted for Maniratnam, i will now, i will always
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7undnAarw7A ......thats speciallyy for Mani fans, anyways.....
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From: thilak4life on 10th May 2007 10:55 PM [Full View]
As expected Originally Posted by MADDY
u've totally missed the point abt. abhishek-vidya equation and missed the subtle message in this scene..... Originally Posted by thilak4life
Maddy Sir. yenna sola varinga..anda sodapal character Vidya Balan thevaiyae illaama padathula vanditu pOva! Maybe MR's cheap tactic to invoke the audience with that character - just to create a sympathy. BTW Maddy varum scene, unga favorite kedaiyaada? Originally Posted by MADDY
this is y i have voted for Maniratnam, i will now, i will always
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7undnAarw7A ......thats speciallyy for Mani fans, anyways..... MAddy sir. ungala minja mudiyaadu
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From: MADDY on 10th May 2007 11:02 PM [Full View]
illa illa.....ippa, ive seen many kamal fans enjoying each/every aspect of "hey ram" - unseen by other people.............andha madhiri dhaan, engalakku sila maniratnam scenes "special" .........matravangalakku adhu onnum illaama irukkalam..... Originally Posted by thilak4life
As expected Originally Posted by MADDY
u've totally missed the point abt. abhishek-vidya equation and missed the subtle message in this scene..... Originally Posted by thilak4life
Maddy Sir. yenna sola varinga..anda sodapal character Vidya Balan thevaiyae illaama padathula vanditu pOva! Maybe MR's cheap tactic to invoke the audience with that character - just to create a sympathy. BTW Maddy varum scene, unga favorite kedaiyaada? Originally Posted by MADDY
this is y i have voted for Maniratnam, i will now, i will always
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7undnAarw7A ......thats speciallyy for Mani fans, anyways..... MAddy sir. ungala minja mudiyaadu
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From: nemesis786 on 10th May 2007 11:06 PM [Full View]
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From: Movie Cop on 11th May 2007 12:12 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Madavan
Madavan - If I'm not wrong, KM is not a movie about SL crisis! It is about the movie of a girl that got affected by one such crisis. The movie only depicts how the life of the little girl gets affected. Originally Posted by Madavan
IMO, MR has been close to perfect in majority of his earlier movies. If he has to make a movie just to make a docuementary solely focussing in-depth on the political side of the SL crisis - I'm sure based on his track record he would come out with flying colours! Also, he won't come up wth that until he takes his own time to understand the history and facts behind the SL crisis!
Going back to KM - I don't think he specifically pointed out to any historical events or struggle that has happened in Eelam. Can you pin-point any specific scene or the plot within KM where he didn't get his facts right about the SL crisis? Not that I'm questioning your opinion. Just want to understand if I missed anything in that movie?
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 12:16 AM [Full View]
adhu seri Originally Posted by MADDY
illa illa.....ippa, ive seen many kamal fans enjoying each/every aspect of "hey ram" - unseen by other people.............andha madhiri dhaan, engalakku sila maniratnam scenes "special" .........matravangalakku adhu onnum illaama irukkalam..... Originally Posted by thilak4life
As expected Originally Posted by MADDY
u've totally missed the point abt. abhishek-vidya equation and missed the subtle message in this scene..... Originally Posted by thilak4life
Maddy Sir. yenna sola varinga..anda sodapal character Vidya Balan thevaiyae illaama padathula vanditu pOva! Maybe MR's cheap tactic to invoke the audience with that character - just to create a sympathy. BTW Maddy varum scene, unga favorite kedaiyaada? Originally Posted by MADDY
this is y i have voted for Maniratnam, i will now, i will always
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7undnAarw7A ......thats speciallyy for Mani fans, anyways..... MAddy sir. ungala minja mudiyaadu
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 12:53 AM [Full View]
ManiRathnam-oda Guru padam 'Inthiya thirai vaRalatril oru MaiyilKal' -nnu Charu nivedita solla poha ,naanum unmaiyile extrodinary movie-nnu ninachu paathenga..
Enna periya podalangai maiyil kallu
Athe ..one item song ,Heroin aruvi-la paadi intro aurathu ,menakettu nattaveliyila ninnukittu mazhaiyila nananjikittu "naan unnai kalyanam panikiren"-nnu mathavan sollurathu ..manirathnam ..thirunthunga sir.
appuram famous climax interogation scene ..sakikalla
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From: kb on 11th May 2007 12:59 AM [Full View]
joe.. i expected that you will tell something abt abhishek acting
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 01:01 AM [Full View]
Abishek acting is good ,which is unexpected for me..Good Job abishek Originally Posted by kb
joe.. i expected that you will tell something abt abhishek acting
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 01:10 AM [Full View]
Guru padatha hindi-la pAthA dhAn andha effect kidaikkum enbathu en thAzhmayaana karuthu
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 01:19 AM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
Guru padatha hindi-la pAthA dhAn andha effect kidaikkum enbathu en thAzhmayaana karuthu
Neenga sollurathum oru vagaiyila sari thaan .Mani Rathnam padathula visual nallave irukum ..Naan Hindi-la pathiruthennu vainga ... vasanam suththama puriyathu .last interogation scene-la Jury-oda mirattal ,hero-oda viLakkam ithoda apaththam puriyama verum visual mattum paarrthu ..super-nnu sonnalum solliruppen.
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 01:21 AM [Full View]
adhu abathamAvE irukkattum. aanaal adhu dhaan uNmai, unfortunately! Originally Posted by joe
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
Guru padatha hindi-la pAthA dhAn andha effect kidaikkum enbathu en thAzhmayaana karuthu
Neenga sollurathum oru vagaiyila sari thaan .Mani Rathnam padathula visual nallave irukum ..Naan Hindi-la pathiruthennu vainga ... vasanam suththama puriyathu .last interogation scene-la Jury-oda mirattal ,hero-oda viLakkam ithoda apaththam puriyama verum visual mattum paarrthu ..super-nnu sonnalum solliruppen.
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 01:32 AM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
adhu abathamAvE irukkattum. aanaal adhu dhaan uNmai, unfortunately! Originally Posted by joe
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
Guru padatha hindi-la pAthA dhAn andha effect kidaikkum enbathu en thAzhmayaana karuthu
Neenga sollurathum oru vagaiyila sari thaan .Mani Rathnam padathula visual nallave irukum ..Naan Hindi-la pathiruthennu vainga ... vasanam suththama puriyathu .last interogation scene-la Jury-oda mirattal ,hero-oda viLakkam ithoda apaththam puriyama verum visual mattum paarrthu ..super-nnu sonnalum solliruppen.
ஹீரோ கொடுக்கிற விளக்கத்தின் உட்கருத்து அபத்தம் இல்லை தான் .ஆனால் அந்த காட்சியமைப்பும் ,விசாரணை நடைபெறும் விதமும் அபத்தமாக இல்லையா ? ஜீரிகள் விளக்கம் கேட்க வந்தவர்கள் மாதிரி இல்லை .கிட்டத்தட்ட மிரட்டவே செய்கிறார்கள் .எனக்கென்னவோ அந்த காட்சிகள் சுத்தமா ஒட்டவே இல்லைங்க!
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 01:40 AM [Full View]
seri vidunga joe
Thilak sir termed mani as a good *masala* film director. Lets take the other directors listed in this poll:
Sridhar - Masala
KB - Masala sans a very few like thanneer thanneer
BR - masala, mostly
Mahendran - :P
Balu Mahendra - Masala. Veedu/Sandya rAgam are exceptions.
GM - Masala
Ameer, Bala - Masala, mostly
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 01:53 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nerd
seri vidunga joe
Thilak sir termed mani as a good *masala* film director. Lets take the other directors listed in this poll:
Sridhar - Masala
KB - Masala sans a very few like thanneer thanneer
BR - masala, mostly
Mahendran - :P
Balu Mahendra - Masala. Veedu/Sandya rAgam are exceptions.
GM - Masala
Ameer, Bala - Masala, mostly
enna thalaiva ..meen masala ,iRachi masala range-kku sollureenga
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 01:58 AM [Full View]
avaru maNi mattum dhAn masala moviemaker-nu claim panRaar. adhu dhAn matRavungaLum apdi dhAnnu sonnEn :P
Anyway can someone define *masala* :P
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 02:04 AM [Full View]
*Masala* - short-a sollanumna, budhiya veetla vitutu vandu paaka vendiya padum. Originally Posted by Nerd
Mani anda vagai dhaen. Obviously he is much better than the damp squibs churned out from Vijay, Rajini and co.
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 02:07 AM [Full View]
Nerd,
Maththavanga eduththathu masala-vaave irukkattum .Mani rathnam -m oru nalla masala director thaan .Very talented technician ..But avaru padangala 'most realistic' -nnu sollurathum , 'Mayil kal' -ngrathum ,India-n Akira Kurasovo -grathum too much.
Manirathnam used to take movies which deals with controversial subjects ,but I don't see any clarity or depth knowledge of that subject ,but he always do 'Nunipul meithal' and covering up with usual masala stuff and technical briliance .
If people say it is a good masala ,I have no problem .But when his fans claim those are most realistic ,most analysing way of problems ,I really can't accept.
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 02:07 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thilak4life
How on earth can someone compare mani, the director and vijay/Rajini the actors ?????????????? ithE pozhappA pOchu ivingaLukku
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 02:10 AM [Full View]
Oh sorry..PErarasu, dharani -nu kanda paerla irupangalaey..avanga dhaen Originally Posted by Nerd
Originally Posted by thilak4life
How on earth can someone compare mani, the director and vijay/Rajini the actors ?????????????? ithE pozhappA pOchu ivingaLukku Actually, I wonder whether they need directors for such movies.
But anyway, not to say Rajini was a bad actor. He was talented. But unfortunately, He has become pathetic.
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 02:12 AM [Full View]
Joe,
1. Censor issues
2. Hooligans dropped a bomb in his house after making a nuni-pul meithal movie.
What do you expect
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 02:13 AM [Full View]
Avoid the subject and save us the torture of watching your pretentious fictionalized version of *realism*. Originally Posted by Nerd
Joe,
1. Censor issues
2. Hooligans dropped a bomb in his house after making a nuni-pul meithal movie.
What do you expect
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 02:15 AM [Full View]
I don't think he ever claimed his movies are *real*. Its just his fans. I am not a *big* fan of him anyway but I like his movies and I believe he is one of the best
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 02:21 AM [Full View]
Appadi paaththa Rajini "Naan thaan Box office king" ,kamal "Naan thaan nadippula king"-nnu claim pannunathe kidayathu. Originally Posted by Nerd
This is about how weightage we gave to whom .. Media and his admirers potrayed him as most realistic and outstanding director. We say that is overrated . athukkaga Mani-ya poi perarasu kooda compare pannala.
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From: kb on 11th May 2007 02:44 AM [Full View]
mani can direct any theme .. with same interest and dedication
his films cover most of the audience..
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From: NOV on 11th May 2007 06:57 AM [Full View]
Nerd, vidunga. kurai sonnaal thaan thamizhan. adhu namma saaba kEdu. ulagam muzhudhum paaraattinaalum, nam kalaignargalai thamizhargal thaan kEvala paduththuvaargal. idhil ondrum aachariyam illai.
endha oor makkalum namakku kedaiththa pokkishangalai madhipaargal, gaurava paduththuvaargal. aanal nam thamizh makkalO..
maybe that is why talents have nver really succeeded in TN.
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From: joe on 11th May 2007 07:19 AM [Full View]
Nov, Originally Posted by NOV
maybe that is why talents have nver really succeeded in TN.
enna sollureenga .Mani not succeded in TN ? .He is treated as best by most in TN.
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From: kannannn on 11th May 2007 07:27 AM [Full View]
Reasons and arguments have been put forth on why MR is not THE best director as some claim him to be. Idhula talent recognition enga vandhuthu? Thamizhan enga vandhaan? Yaaro Kurosawa koodallam compare pannanga
. Aananapatta avaraye, suicide attempt panra alavukku critics thaakkinanga. MR'oda drawbacks thaane sollappatathu..
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From: NOV on 11th May 2007 07:45 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
enna sollureenga .Mani not succeded in TN ? .He is treated as best by most in TN.
ok Kannann, who is the best among the current crop? Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 07:52 AM [Full View]
aahaa NOV, ithu theriyAthA? Kamal dhAn Originally Posted by NOV
ok Kannann, who is the best among the current crop? Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: NOV on 11th May 2007 07:54 AM [Full View]
aala vidunga. naa ennamO serious discussion nadakkudhunu ulla pugundhu comment pannittirukkEn.
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From: kannannn on 11th May 2007 08:11 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nerd
aahaa NOV, ithu theriyAthA? Kamal dhAn Originally Posted by NOV
ok Kannann, who is the best among the current crop? Originally Posted by kannannn
Strangely, that is right. But since not many accept him as a full fledged director, I'll leave him out. My vote is for Selvaraghavan in Tamil. In Hindi it is VB.
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From: NOV on 11th May 2007 08:17 AM [Full View]
I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 08:22 AM [Full View]
If Hey Raam is KH's best film, how does it compare with Mani's best(s) like nAyakan and mouna raagam ?
I am interested to know
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From: kannannn on 11th May 2007 08:29 AM [Full View]
Simple. They don't stand upto comparison Originally Posted by Nerd
If Hey Raam is KH's best film, how does it compare with Mani's best(s) like nAyakan and mouna raagam ?
I am interested to know. Nayagan and Mouna Ragam are good in their own right, but Hey Raam is miles ahead in terms of narration, subtleties, nuances and complexity. I doubt if Kamal himself can better that.
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From: thamizhvaanan on 11th May 2007 08:37 AM [Full View]
True.. if these are the only yardsticks of rating directorial skills. I guess not Originally Posted by kannannn
Simple. They don't stand upto comparison. Nayagan and Mouna Ragam are good in their own right, but Hey Raam is miles ahead in terms of narration, subtleties, nuances and complexity. I doubt if Kamal himself can better that.
To put it best, each film is good in its own right.
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 09:37 AM [Full View]
y is mani good?? y is mani not good??? these are the only discussions i can see for many pages in this topic - which clearly shows Maniratnam rox .......ungalakku ellam pudikkadho illayo - he is very very very very very very GOOD
for all those who think Guru's climax was foolish - please read life story of Dhirubhai - he escaped 38 or so cases with a very meagre fine compared to his Rs.400000000000 empire ......as i told before mani just gives his perspective on things......it neednt be the truth........he has also clearly mentioned he is not ashamed of putting songs in his movies etc - he is a commercial director with a superior taste
(btw, nerd asked a superb question - who is a clean director - i mean masala-less director in tamil??? )
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From: ajithfederer on 11th May 2007 09:46 AM [Full View]
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From: Wibha on 11th May 2007 09:49 AM [Full View]
even PV is similar then.............. adhea carnatic song carnatic song teaching session, PV had shades of virumaandi, PV had BR's movies influence..............PV had "captain" style stunt - still ppl call it a path breaking effort Originally Posted by joe
ManiRathnam-oda Guru padam 'Inthiya thirai vaRalatril oru MaiyilKal' -nnu Charu nivedita solla poha ,naanum unmaiyile extrodinary movie-nnu ninachu paathenga..
Enna periya podalangai maiyil kallu
Athe ..one item song ,Heroin aruvi-la paadi intro aurathu ,menakettu nattaveliyila ninnukittu mazhaiyila nananjikittu "naan unnai kalyanam panikiren"-nnu mathavan sollurathu ..manirathnam ..thirunthunga sir.
appuram famous climax interogation scene ..sakikalla
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 10:21 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kb
Small Correction. Only Urban Audiences
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 10:25 AM [Full View]
Just like all discussions lead to Kamal, all things against Kamal in the hub can be traced back to NOV Originally Posted by NOV
I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 10:28 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
y is mani good?? y is mani not good??? these are the only discussions i can see for many pages in this topic - which clearly shows Maniratnam rox .......ungalakku ellam pudikkadho illayo - he is very very very very very very GOOD
for all those who think Guru's climax was foolish - please read life story of Dhirubhai - he escaped 38 or so cases with a very meagre fine compared to his Rs.400000000000 empire ......as i told before mani just gives his perspective on things......it neednt be the truth........he has also clearly mentioned he is not ashamed of putting songs in his movies etc - he is a commercial director with a superior taste
(btw, nerd asked a superb question - who is a clean director - i mean masala-less director in tamil??? )
Maddy
He didn't have much commercial success for this decade except Guru and Alai payudhey. They were n't block busters though.
And can you explain what does superior taste mean?
None for the moment.
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From: ajithfederer on 11th May 2007 10:28 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Just like all discussions lead to Kamal, all things against Kamal in the hub can be traced back to NOV Originally Posted by NOV
I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 10:34 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Just like all discussions lead to Kamal, all things against Kamal in the hub can be traced back to NOV Originally Posted by NOV
I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 10:45 AM [Full View]
out of AP,KM,AE,Guru - 2 were flops, 2 were hits - pretty fair number Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
(infact, Guru has collected more than RDB and DON) .....
superior taste ->
beautiful visuals (exclusively in India, only KM/Guru had 2-3 scenes in SL)
the sort of subjects he takes up -> making movie abt a entrepenuer(spell check veinga MODS) is not a easy thing to do
giving importance to middle class sensitivities.......
having a rational/soft approach on things..
no kuthhu songs
no crass/vulgar women torturing scenes
no bad words used for "style"
not hurting relgious/caste sentiments
Mani is a gem, if u can remove the "goggles of bias"
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 10:50 AM [Full View]
ungalukku yen sir eriyidhu? Originally Posted by NOV
I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal Originally Posted by kannannn
This is the Best Director's thread and there are people who believe He is the best. Neenga Poi romba nalla padam nu sonnappa naanga free-a vittomla?
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 11:01 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
out of AP,KM,AE,Guru - 2 were flops, 2 were hits - pretty fair number Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
(infact, Guru has collected more than RDB and DON) .....
superior taste ->
beautiful visuals (exclusively in India, only KM/Guru had 2-3 scenes in SL)
the sort of subjects he takes up -> making movie abt a entrepenuer(spell check veinga MODS) is not a easy thing to do
giving importance to middle class sensitivities.......
having a rational/soft approach on things..
no kuthhu songs
no crass/vulgar women torturing scenes
no bad words used for "style"
not hurting relgious/caste sentiments
Mani is a gem, if u can remove the "goggles of bias"
You don't say. Why then all the sites claimed Guru as an 'Hit'.
What about Mallika sherawath song in Guru and "September Masam" in AP.
Can we termed it as a Superior Kuthu Songs?
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From: selvakumar on 11th May 2007 11:06 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 11:12 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
are they kuthhu songs??? get the difference between "item numbers" and "kuthhu" songs, then lets talk abt it.......
also, if you have time, pls go through my posts in Mani thread where Guru's collection figures have been mentioned and if u compare it with Indiafm's collection figures for DON and RDB ,u 'll see wat i'm trying to tell
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 11:13 AM [Full View]
Yes. Precisely Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
Another classic example of a superior kuthu song: rAmar aaNdAlum from hey raam :P
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From: selvakumar on 11th May 2007 11:13 AM [Full View]
Maddy,
Is it a reply to me or Sri 
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 11:16 AM [Full View]
also, u said -> there are no "clean/masalaless" directors in tamil which should have included kamal in ur list............then u accept he is also a commercial director.....lets see his movies in this decade -->
1. Hey raam
2. Virumaandi
3. Nala Damayanthi
(laugh icons are for movie's commercial success and not regardng quality - ND was one script i fell in love with )
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 11:18 AM [Full View]
naa ungala solluvaena sir Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy,
Is it a reply to me or Sri
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 11:19 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
are they kuthhu songs??? get the difference between "item numbers" and "kuthhu" songs, then lets talk abt it.......
also, if you have time, pls go through my posts in Mani thread where Guru's collection figures have been mentioned and if u compare it with Indiafm's collection figures for DON and RDB ,u 'll see wat i'm trying to tell
As far as i know, kuthu song is a syonnym for Item song.
Regarding collections, i didn't know how much it collected. So I raised my question in surpriesed way not in a sarcastic way. And i dont deny Guru and AP were hits and profitable to the prioducers. But they weren't sensation hits like his earlier movies Nayagan,Mounaragan,Idhaythai thirudadhey and etc.
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From: thamizhvaanan on 11th May 2007 11:21 AM [Full View]
Item song vechadhunala MR gud Director kidaiyadha?
So are we talking abt art films here?
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 11:24 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nerd
Yes. Precisely Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
Another classic example of a superior kuthu song: rAmar aaNdAlum from hey raam :P
Mani's those 3 item songs were perfect kuthu songs for urban audiences and they were more of skin shows.
But Raman aandalum is not a kuthu song. We can say "Polladha madana banam is of that sort".
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From: selvakumar on 11th May 2007 11:25 AM [Full View]
Nope. I think they are talking about "Masala" elements in the movies of the directors listed here. Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Item song vechadhunala MR gud Director kidaiyadha?
So are we talking abt art films here?
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 11:26 AM [Full View]
Thamizh Vannan Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Item song vechadhunala MR gud Director kidaiyadha?
So are we talking abt art films here?
Haven't i said that?
Just i replied to Maddy's post.
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From: thamizhvaanan on 11th May 2007 11:33 AM [Full View]
rather than giving counterpoints to maddy's post, why dont u tell why MR is not a gud director Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
Thamizh Vannan Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Item song vechadhunala MR gud Director kidaiyadha?
So are we talking abt art films here?
Haven't i said that?
Just i replied to Maddy's post.
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 11:41 AM [Full View]
avangalakku kelvi kaetka dhaan theriyum Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
rather than giving counterpoints to maddy's post, why dont u tell why MR is not a gud director Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
Thamizh Vannan Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Item song vechadhunala MR gud Director kidaiyadha?
So are we talking abt art films here?
Haven't i said that?
Just i replied to Maddy's post. ........mani-a kuthhi kaatta dhaan theriyum .........adhukku rendu peru laugh icon pottu support pannuvaanga vera ..........i dont think they even read mine or nerd's answers for their allegations ......
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From: lavanya22rit on 11th May 2007 11:45 AM [Full View]
Good one !!! Originally Posted by Nerd
Yes. Precisely Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
Another classic example of a superior kuthu song: rAmar aaNdAlum from hey raam :P
taste of his own medicine
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From: lavanya22rit on 11th May 2007 11:51 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
avangalakku kelvi kaetka dhaan theriyum Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
rather than giving counterpoints to maddy's post, why dont u tell why MR is not a gud director Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
Thamizh Vannan Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Item song vechadhunala MR gud Director kidaiyadha?
So are we talking abt art films here?
Haven't i said that?
Just i replied to Maddy's post. ........mani-a kuthhi kaatta dhaan theriyum .........adhukku rendu peru laugh icon pottu support pannuvaanga vera ..........i dont think they even read mine or nerd's answers for their allegations ......
These MR haters always savage him...but not really coming up with valid points to state why he is not so good or how others are better than him
Same holds true for IR fans too...they just bash and savage ARR without really mentioning the pluses of IR.
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 11:54 AM [Full View]
ND was directed by Mouli, not Kamal. Originally Posted by MADDY
also, u said -> there are no "clean/masalaless" directors in tamil which should have included kamal in ur list............then u accept he is also a commercial director.....lets see his movies in this decade -->
1. Hey raam
2. Virumaandi
3. Nala Damayanthi
(laugh icons are for movie's commercial success and not regardng quality - ND was one script i fell in love with )
And Maddy,
Commercial directors in Tamil nu sollittu Guru pathi yen pesitrukkom? (Sorry if u didnt bring it up)
Andha reedhilyila AP-ku appuram Mani Sir hit kudukkaliye
About Kuthu songs:
Nerd, Raman Aandalum is a kuthu song-a?
Its junk but NOT a kuthu song.
"Polladha madhana baanam" is not a kuthu song in a commercial sense because it is part of the narrative and not 'thrust'.
All that said, Sriman - to be fair to Mani Sir, he IS a superior 'commercial' director and commercial-nu paatha Kamal Sir-e Virumaandi la intro scene bayangara commercial-a dhaan kuduthiruppaaru (that its a terrific intro is another issue)
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 11:57 AM [Full View]
Lavanya, Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
1) This is an ad hominem rant, not a listing of "valid points to state why he is so good or why others are not better than him".
Why don't you read what others have posted explainign precisely what you asked for?
2) Bringing IR into this thread speaks volumes about your capacity (or the lack of it) to discuss points on their merits instead of rabble rousing
Practise what you preach. Thanks
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From: thamizhvaanan on 11th May 2007 12:04 PM [Full View]
Virumaandi oda ending kooda romba commercial'a irukkum. I didnt like it, it spoilt the beautiful work done until that point.Kamal Sir-e Virumaandi la intro scene bayangara commercial-a dhaan kuduthiruppaaru
So KH is the only contender against MR?
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 12:08 PM [Full View]
appO september mAdham kuthu song-a? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Nerd, Raman Aandalum is a kuthu song-a?
september mAdham is also a junk. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I guess you get what I am trying to say :P
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 12:11 PM [Full View]
Yes, horrendous end to a brilliant movie otherwise Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
As i see it, there are no contendors when it comes to Kamal. Way above the rest in Thamizh. Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
So KH is the only contender against MR?
I rate Balu Mahendra, BR, Mahendran and Mani high, followed by KB.
ippo irukkara directors la Bala, Selvaraghavan.
Balaji Sakthivel, Ameer and to an extent Radha Mohan (feel-good entertainers) are very promising.
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 12:19 PM [Full View]
No no. That is obviously pointed at people like me who haven't said anything worthy enough about(or against) Mani so far. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Lavanya, Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
1) This is an ad hominem rant, not a listing of "valid points to state why he is so good or why others are not better than him".
Why don't you read what others have posted explainign precisely what you asked for?
2) Bringing IR into this thread speaks volumes about your capacity (or the lack of it) to discuss points on their merits instead of rabble rousing
Practise what you preach. Thanks
I would say to people like Lavanya, scroll your mouse a little up(or down) and click 'previous page', take a look at our discourse so far. Obviously it's twisted cleverly again. But it's just a rehash of things that has already been addressed so far! The reasons why I don't rate Mani high and whom I would really call as the best in Thamizh cinema, is for you to see.
Nammavar film:
Thalaivar: romba naerum pesitu irukkOm, pAdhi-la vanda puriyAdhu, NAlliku vAnga!
Karan: Adhukulla perusa yenna pAdum nadathi irupingA
Thalaivar: Ada, Arattai-naey vechu-konga , pAdhi-la vanda puriyumma? Inda 'thirupathi vellai'-nu solvanga-laey, anda mAdhiri ayidOm!
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 12:20 PM [Full View]
By the way, i should thank the creator of this thread for not adding Kamal in this list with the likes of Gautham Menon(!!!), Ameer and Bala
Its insulting enough that KB,MR,M,BM,BR are listed with these 3
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 12:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
By the way, i should thank the creator of this thread for not adding Kamal in this list with the likes of Gautham Menon, Ameer and Bala
Its insulting enough that KB,MR,M,BM,BR are listed with these 3
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 12:25 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: lavanya22rit on 11th May 2007 12:32 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Lavanya, Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
1) This is an ad hominem rant, not a listing of "valid points to state why he is so good or why others are not better than him".
Why don't you read what others have posted explainign precisely what you asked for?
2) Bringing IR into this thread speaks volumes about your capacity (or the lack of it) to discuss points on their merits instead of rabble rousing
Practise what you preach. Thanks
Yes you have just reiterated what i have written.....keep going
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 12:35 PM [Full View]
<Digression> Originally Posted by Nerd
Firstly, i don't think Kuthu songs are bad per se.
"Kadhal Kasakkudhayya", "Thanni Thotti thedi vandha", "Oora vittu", "Petta Rap" and some of Deva's gaanas - i like all these.
Secondly, yes September madham is an item song - northern version of our own kuthu song.
IMO its September Madham is better than Raman Aandalum Originally Posted by Nerd
I get what you say but i disagreed with the example you used
</Digression>
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 12:38 PM [Full View]
sabaa.... kanna kattudhe.. Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
Yes you have just reiterated what i have written.....keep going
Mods: Isn't primary school English knowledge a prerequisite to participate in the hub?
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 12:49 PM [Full View]
From the archives. This is the only post she had posted before this attack against "IR fans against MR".
Wow, talk about vision? You seem to have nothing but ad hominem rants in your bag! You just pull it out then and there. Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
Great discovery !!!!! Originally Posted by Jabroni
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From: Srimannarayanan on 11th May 2007 12:52 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
rather than giving counterpoints to maddy's post, why dont u tell why MR is not a gud director Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
Thamizh Vannan Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Item song vechadhunala MR gud Director kidaiyadha?
So are we talking abt art films here?
Haven't i said that?
Just i replied to Maddy's post.
First thing did i say anywhere that Mani is not a good director?. I dont deny that he is one of the best director in the Tamil Industry.
But i would say his recent works are not as good as his earlier ones. And He is the best director interms of managing all the technicians he works with and extract their best things.
But he is not the best director with very good Screenplay and Story telling skills.
And another thing is , he keeps on repeating things like "Naughty Young girls",Mischievous Children and Naughty Granmothers in all his movies.
Those things were nice to watch late 80s and early 90's.But the not for now.
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From: groucho070 on 11th May 2007 12:55 PM [Full View]
Did you say September Madham is better than Raman Aandalum. I hope I have not misread that. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
IMO its September Madham is better than Raman Aandalum
I get what you say but i disagreed with the example you used
</Digression>
Raman Andalum has a story to tell and led to an incident that is pivotal to the movie. September madham?
But I guess it's a matter of taste.
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 01:03 PM [Full View]
u mean to say u couldnt find a story in "september madham" song?? Originally Posted by groucho070
Did you say September Madham is better than Raman Aandalum. I hope I have not misread that. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
IMO its September Madham is better than Raman Aandalum
I get what you say but i disagreed with the example you used
</Digression>
Raman Andalum has a story to tell and led to an incident that is pivotal to the movie. September madham?
But I guess it's a matter of taste. ....i guess its a matter of "you only see, what your eyes wanna see"
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From: lavanya22rit on 11th May 2007 01:04 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thilak4life
From the archives. This is the only post she had posted before this attack against "IR fans against MR".
Wow, talk about vision? You seem to have nothing but ad hominem rants in your bag! You just pull it out then and there. Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
Great discovery !!!!! Originally Posted by Jabroni
Hahahaha good work...so u were searching through the thread for my posts ???
U r fabulous !!!!!!!
But dont expect me to search for the junks u have written before....i have got much better work to do.
Read the topic of this thread and continue writing.....Keep enjoying....bye bye tata
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From: groucho070 on 11th May 2007 01:10 PM [Full View]
Oh well, you are right. You see what you want to see. What preceeds and proceeds Raman Andaalum is so bloody intriguing that I find this song as the heart of the movie. Originally Posted by MADDY
u mean to say u couldnt find a story in "september madham" song?? Originally Posted by groucho070
Did you say September Madham is better than Raman Aandalum. I hope I have not misread that. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
IMO its September Madham is better than Raman Aandalum
I get what you say but i disagreed with the example you used
</Digression>
Raman Andalum has a story to tell and led to an incident that is pivotal to the movie. September madham?
But I guess it's a matter of taste. ....i guess its a matter of "you only see, what your eyes wanna see"
As for September madham...the only significant thing I see is the fact that the month is Adiyeenin pirantha maatham.
I have mentioned elsewhere that I still can't enjoy the movie, no matter how hard I tried.
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 01:12 PM [Full View]
Another ad hominem attack. Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
Originally Posted by thilak4life
From the archives. This is the only post she had posted before this attack against "IR fans against MR".
Wow, talk about vision? You seem to have nothing but ad hominem rants in your bag! You just pull it out then and there. Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
Great discovery !!!!! Originally Posted by Jabroni
Hahahaha good work...so u were searching through the thread for my posts ???
U r fabulous !!!!!!!
But dont expect me to search for the junks u have written before....i have got much better work to do.
Read the topic of this thread and continue writing.....Keep enjoying....bye bye tata
Like what Rajkumar said, you don't know Engleepees?
Seri, apidiyae ARR threads-ku OdipO!
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 01:20 PM [Full View]
watever it is.....its a pleasure to argue with a "bunch" of kamal fans......u get to see new words and learn them Originally Posted by thilak4life
......idhu sathyama naa "straight" arthhathula dhaan sonnaen
vennaaammm venaaaam - azhudhuruvaen Originally Posted by thilak4life
groucho, ungalukaaga Mani sir, unga birth-month-a song title vechhi ,u nga fav hero-va aada vitturukaaru, appadiyum neenga kora sollareenga
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From: groucho070 on 11th May 2007 01:33 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
groucho, ungalukaaga Mani sir, unga birth-month-a song title vechhi ,u nga fav hero-va aada vitturukaaru, appadiyum neenga kora sollareenga
Mani sar enna engga amma kitta ketuttaa shoot pannunaaru.
Not that. Madhavan in this movie played it safe by not being himself. He just let Manirathnam control him and you get that kind of performance. It was his later films that made me like Madhavan.
The role the songs play. One is heavier than the other. That's all. I actually like September Madham song. Great music and Shankar Mahadevan gave it a bluesy edge very rare in Tamil songs.
But Raman andalum was raw. Hard...and Rajini really looked drunk and mad as hell. The peaceful, beautiful native folks and in the middle of it all is this sweaty, red-nosed, brutal looking young man hours before the moment that will change is life forever.
But we are digressing. Let's continue debating about MR. Wait that is a different thread.
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From: Roshan on 11th May 2007 01:34 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Same here !I have mentioned elsewhere that I still can't enjoy the movie, no matter how hard I tried.
Interesting-A irukku discussions and I am so very tempted to write about my views on MR here - specially as a response to some one here who was saying MR is good at romance. But quite held up here at work appuRamaa ezhuthalaamnu irukkEn
Rajkumar and Thilak
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 01:35 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
watever it is.....its a pleasure to argue with a "bunch" of kamal fans......u get to see new words and learn them Originally Posted by thilak4life
......idhu sathyama naa "straight" arthhathula dhaan sonnaen
Neenga sonna seri
vennaaammm venaaaam - azhudhuruvaen Originally Posted by thilak4life
Karuthu vaerpaadu is welcome..Even conjectures are fine. Aana arai-vEkkAduthanam in form of cheap attacks -
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From: MADDY on 11th May 2007 01:46 PM [Full View]
can u gimme ur manager's number??? Originally Posted by Roshan
Interesting-A irukku discussions and I am so very tempted to write about my views on MR here - specially as a response to some one here who was saying MR is good at romance. But quite held up here at work appuRamaa ezhuthalaamnu irukkEn - will ask him to give u more work so that Maniratnam is spared .....(oh ippa MR movies-oda romantic aspect-ukkae attack vara pogudhu .....)
thilak - wats ur take on "new" guys - Bala, Ameer, Selvaraghavan, Gautam Menon??? ...for me, i can see the future
Maniratnam --> Gautam Menon
Bharathiraja --> Ameer
Balu Mahendra --> Selvaraghavan
Shankar --> Vishnuvardhan
Mahendran --> Bala (idhu konjam over dhaan )
groucho - but AP was the best possible launch pad for maddy......
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From: nemesis786 on 11th May 2007 01:50 PM [Full View]
PERARASU THE GREAT
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From: groucho070 on 11th May 2007 01:51 PM [Full View]
Yeah. I agree. That's why, despite not liking it, I respect the movie. There are other things in the movie that made the movie successful. I'll give mother load of credit to ARR. Originally Posted by MADDY
groucho - but AP was the best possible launch pad for maddy......
As for Madhavan, with his talent, and, most importantly, his experience in TV...he would have showed up anyway with or without MR or AP.
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 01:57 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Groucho,
I was talking about the 'song' - musically speaking.
Agree with your points on the context, etc...
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From: NOV on 11th May 2007 01:57 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Just like all discussions lead to Kamal, all things against Kamal in the hub can be traced back to NOV
I am not against Kamal for goodness sake. You can hardly see me criticising Kamal anywhere. It is more that the fanaticism that I against.
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From: thilak4life on 11th May 2007 02:08 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
thilak - wats ur take on "new" guys - Bala, Ameer, Selvaraghavan, Gautam Menon??? ...for me, i can see the future
Maniratnam --> Gautam Menon
Bharathiraja --> Ameer
Balu Mahendra --> Selvaraghavan
Shankar --> Vishnuvardhan
Mahendran --> Bala (idhu konjam over dhaan )
Let's give them some more time
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From: karthik_sa2 on 11th May 2007 02:15 PM [Full View]
what has creativity to do with daring and close to reality story telling??creativity illama daring and reality-ya story solla mudiyuma sir????neenga sollarathula logic illa sir!
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From: crajkumar_be on 11th May 2007 02:20 PM [Full View]
<Digression Originally Posted by groucho070
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oh.. Groucho,
i missed this.
We are talking about two different "Raman Aandalum"s here
Nerd was referring to the song in Hey Ram
</Digression>
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From: groucho070 on 11th May 2007 02:24 PM [Full View]
Adadaa......
My bad. Sorry about the misunderstanding folks.
I don't remember Raman song in Hey Ram. But then, I am not fond of that film either, hehe.
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From: Roshan on 11th May 2007 02:27 PM [Full View]
Sooper-A samAlichuteenga Groucho .. :P Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: kannannn on 11th May 2007 07:34 PM [Full View]
Haven't we already discussed Mani ad nauseam? How many more discussions before we come to an agreement?
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From: Nerd on 11th May 2007 08:19 PM [Full View]
What else could we discuss, kannan Originally Posted by kannannn
ippo varra puthu padangaL discussion-galukku appArpattavai :P
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From: kannannn on 11th May 2007 11:24 PM [Full View]
Adhuvum seri dhaan . Atleast indha thread'la pozhudhu poguthu..
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From: shobana_in on 12th May 2007 10:12 AM [Full View]
barathiraja-ameer ...just for paruthiveeran? Originally Posted by MADDY
can u gimme ur manager's number??? Originally Posted by Roshan
Interesting-A irukku discussions and I am so very tempted to write about my views on MR here - specially as a response to some one here who was saying MR is good at romance. But quite held up here at work appuRamaa ezhuthalaamnu irukkEn - will ask him to give u more work so that Maniratnam is spared .....(oh ippa MR movies-oda romantic aspect-ukkae attack vara pogudhu .....)
thilak - wats ur take on "new" guys - Bala, Ameer, Selvaraghavan, Gautam Menon??? ...for me, i can see the future
Maniratnam --> Gautam Menon
Bharathiraja --> Ameer
Balu Mahendra --> Selvaraghavan
Shankar --> Vishnuvardhan
Mahendran --> Bala (idhu konjam over dhaan )
groucho - but AP was the best possible launch pad for maddy......
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From: shobana_in on 12th May 2007 10:59 AM [Full View]
why do u banghead for that? Originally Posted by NOV
I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal Originally Posted by kannannn
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From: shobana_in on 12th May 2007 11:43 AM [Full View]
vayitherichal Originally Posted by NOV
it has become a trend to over indulge everything on Kamal.
yes, he is an actor par excellence. but giving him credit for everything is IMO, overdoing it. he has his limitations and plenty of that too, if anyone cares to discuss that.
talking of good directors, there have been many. but bet you the likes of ameer, bala, selva ragavan will be forgotten over period of time. who would remain are those who have left an impact in TF history and those would be less than 10......
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From: MADDY on 12th May 2007 01:19 PM [Full View]
ok enuf of Mani - now lets talk abt the next gen --> my choice are gautam and ameer........this is y i like Gautam ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJdCgcJKxnU
using time-slice technology to perfection.......just look at the scene where Kamal throws one guy into the shutter..... .........wow, hes got the stuff guys ...........one of the best kamal videos IMO........enna gethhu,style -
(i'm going to forward this video as a reply to all those "south demeaning" forwards asking them to show a better picturised song than this in Hindi .........)
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From: RajaRam on 12th May 2007 02:52 PM [Full View]
Nerd, vidunga. kurai sonnaal thaan thamizhan. adhu namma saaba kEdu. ulagam muzhudhum paaraattinaalum, nam kalaignargalai thamizhargal thaan kEvala paduththuvaargal. idhil ondrum aachariyam illai.
endha oor makkalum namakku kedaiththa pokkishangalai madhipaargal, gaurava paduththuvaargal. aanal nam thamizh makkalO..I think kamal also 100% Tamilan.I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal
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From: shobana_in on 12th May 2007 02:55 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by RajaRam
Nerd, vidunga. kurai sonnaal thaan thamizhan. adhu namma saaba kEdu. ulagam muzhudhum paaraattinaalum, nam kalaignargalai thamizhargal thaan kEvala paduththuvaargal. idhil ondrum aachariyam illai.
endha oor makkalum namakku kedaiththa pokkishangalai madhipaargal, gaurava paduththuvaargal. aanal nam thamizh makkalO..I think kamal also 100% Tamilan.I should have known better. Just like all roads lead to rome, all discussions and praises will eventually lead to kamal
nov
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From: RajaRam on 12th May 2007 02:55 PM [Full View]
Hey Ram is one the best films.If Hey Raam is KH's best film, how does it compare with Mani's best(s) like nAyakan and mouna raagam ?
Satya,MMKR,Guna,Mahanadhi,Kuruthipunal and anbesivam also have same credit.
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From: nemesis786 on 12th May 2007 02:57 PM [Full View]
Who is the guy who directed the movie that was shot in 24 hours
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From: thilak4life on 12th May 2007 03:01 PM [Full View]
P.Vasu, Sundar.C and Liyakat Ali khan - Suyamvaram Originally Posted by nemesis786
Who is the guy who directed the movie that was shot in 24 hours
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From: RajaRam on 12th May 2007 03:31 PM [Full View]
he, shadow directing many films, is all hearsay, and I dont want to dwell on that.To me, a director is like a captain of a ship. Any other role he takes on is supplementary and does not reflect on his stewardshipNOV and Nerd and other hubbers(Who ever against kamal),aahaa NOV, ithu theriyAthA? Kamal dhAn
Can any one of you tell me the best tamil movies of those who directed Kamal?
Sathya
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Which is the best movie of suresh krishna?
Baasha?Baba?Aha?sangamam?PEAS?
Guna and Mahanadhi
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which is the best movie of santhana barathi?
Vietnam colony?KKK?
Kuruthipunal
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Which is the best movie of PC.sriram?
after kurutipunal, he directed only 'vanam vaspadum' which is bombed.
Anbesivam
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Which is the best movie of sundar.c?
Thaimaman?Ullathai allitha?Arunachalam?
I don't want to mention SSRao,sethu madhavan and Bharathan.
All of them are famous in their own language.
So Kamal's directed movies
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Satya,
Guna,
Mahanadhi,
Kuruthipunal,
Heyram,
Anbe sivam
Virumandi.
In 1992 first 'Roja' was selected for Oscar nominee.but finally 'Devar mahan' only sent to Oscar nominee.
1992- Devar mahan got national award for best tamil movie.
1993- Mahanadhi got national award for best tamil movie.
1994 - Nammavar got national award for best tamil movie.
1995 - Kuruthipunal got selected for oscar nominee.
2000- he lost national award(best actor)due to political infulence.
2003-Again he lost national award in the final round.
As a whole only 'Alavandhan' got critics in media as well as public(but I liked that movie. even AV gave 41 marks).
But if you take MR's list
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Akni natchathiram - ordinary commercial movie
Idhayathai thirudadhe - same as above.
Dhalapathy-- kumudam mentioned as 'Tholapathy' in its review.
Thiruda Thiruda - flop movie(Personally I liked it)
Bombay - second half was totally looked like documentary.
Uyire -Crap movie.
Iruvar - another crap movie.
Aaidha ezhuthu -- bombed and got bad review from all medias.5
So in MR's list, he has only 5 good movies(Mouna ragam,Nayahan,Anjalai,Roja and kannathil muthamittal).
I think this is enough to tell that Kamal is the best director in Tamil industry.
Hi Nerd,
Can you give your comments on Mahendrans' Nandu and pootadha pootukkal and his last movie?
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From: NOV on 12th May 2007 09:29 PM [Full View]
sure. Originally Posted by RajaRam
I think kamal also 100% Tamilan.
give him credit where its due. aanaa thalaila thookki vechu aada vEndaam.
similarly maniratnam is a good director, but that does not make him the best of everything and neither should he be considered the saviour of tamil films.
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From: NOV on 12th May 2007 09:32 PM [Full View]
as far as I am concerned Kamal only directed three movies:he, shadow directing many films, is all hearsay, and I dont want to dwell on that.
Chachi 420 - Horrible beyond words
Hey Ram - Excellent
Virumandi - Great
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From: Nerd on 12th May 2007 11:12 PM [Full View]
Rajaram and others, I guess iruvar and hey raam will be a fair comparison and I cant say which one is better. Have to watch both the movies again :P Iruvar is certainly not a crap movie as you have mentioned. Regarding KH, I admire him as a SCRIPT-WRITER, he is the best around. But as a director, as NOV said he has just directed 3, I have seen only 2, a brilliant hey raam and a so-so virumaaNdi in which he spoiled his own script (Initial 30 mins and final 30 mins)
And on nandu, PP and saasanam, I have seen nandu, liked it but have not seen PP and saasanam and I heard that saasanam is also pretty good.
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 12:01 AM [Full View]
neenga shivajiya thalaila thooki vechu kondadalam...naanga kamal-a thalaila thooki vechu kondada koodadha? Originally Posted by NOV
sure. Originally Posted by RajaRam
I think kamal also 100% Tamilan.
give him credit where its due. aanaa thalaila thookki vechu aada vEndaam.
similarly maniratnam is a good director, but that does not make him the best of everything and neither should he be considered the saviour of tamil films.
appidi kondaduna ungalukku enna eriyudhu
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 02:32 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by shobana_in
neenga shivajiya thalaila thooki vechu kondadalam...naanga kamal-a thalaila thooki vechu kondada koodadha? Originally Posted by NOV
sure. Originally Posted by RajaRam
I think kamal also 100% Tamilan.
give him credit where its due. aanaa thalaila thookki vechu aada vEndaam.
similarly maniratnam is a good director, but that does not make him the best of everything and neither should he be considered the saviour of tamil films.
appidi kondaduna ungalukku enna eriyudhu
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 04:29 AM [Full View]
This statement directly contradicts NOV's earlier statements on not only Kamal, but also Mani Ratnam Originally Posted by shobana_in
neenga shivajiya thalaila thooki vechu kondadalam...naanga kamal-a thalaila thooki vechu kondada koodadha? Originally Posted by NOV
sure. Originally Posted by RajaRam
I think kamal also 100% Tamilan.
give him credit where its due. aanaa thalaila thookki vechu aada vEndaam.
similarly maniratnam is a good director, but that does not make him the best of everything and neither should he be considered the saviour of tamil films.
appidi kondaduna ungalukku enna eriyudhu
And pl check the tone here. Extremely judgmental.
The baffling thing is, he rates Hey Ram excellent, Virumaandi good - 2 out of 3 films, yet he agrees Kamal should not be part of the list (which features Gautham Menon(!!) and Ameer, thanks to Maddy).
enakku purila....
The fact that is conveniently ignored is we are the first to criticize Kamal on anything. Till now, NOT A SINGLE person has explained or brought up just why Kamal is not a good/great director. Even assuming he isn't, why is director 'x' greater than him - NO POINT.
Atleast Nerd said he finds Kamal to be a better writer than a director - fair enough, not that i agree but atleast there is some genuine criticism. What does NOV say? - Chachi 420 is horrible. Why? He isn't obliged to answer that but neither does he have any right to stop others from saying Kamal is the best or Kamal is a great director, especially when they have the sense, knowledge, exposure, taste to appreciate good cinema and accept faults without any qualms, as they see it.
You either explain why some films are good/bad, or someone is a great director. Otherwise, you don't write judgmental posts in dictating what hubbers should say or not say. Banging one's head doesn't make any difference.
If you can't tolerate a different POV, what's the point in hubbing?
'n' number of posts were written explaining the plus-minuses of Mani's films. NOV was so much irritated with the negatives (though most of the hubbers agreed he was good and only had specific criticisms) that he explained in his judgmental tone he could not take it "Criticizing Mani will not stand" was the drift
What nonsense is this? Imposing one's blinding ignorance and complete lack of exposure to world/quality cinema of any kind other than a limited one violently protected and fought for. endha oor nyayam idhu?????
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From: ajithfederer on 13th May 2007 04:36 AM [Full View]
I never knew this
Originally Posted by RajaRam
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From: Nerd on 13th May 2007 04:42 AM [Full View]
Nammavar did not get any national award. KaruthammA won that year :P Originally Posted by ajithfederer
I never knew this
Originally Posted by RajaRam
And CR, NOV is never pro-rajini and I don't get the * part in your post. I produced a list of Rajini movies and even then he would not consider him a good actor and he always rates sivakumar above Rajini :P
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 04:46 AM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
Nammavar did not get any national award. KaruthammA won that year :P Originally Posted by ajithfederer
I never knew this
Originally Posted by RajaRam
And CR, NOV is never pro-rajini and I don't get the * part in your post. I produced a list of Rajini movies and even then he would not consider him a good actor and he always rates sivakumar above Rajini :P
I didn't mean your post, its something else and i've edited that * part, going by what recent experiences have shown. We can't really express opinions here. Certainly not Kamal fans
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From: Nerd on 13th May 2007 05:10 AM [Full View]
OK
I rate M, BR, KB, MR above KH simply because KH does not have a lot of movies under his belt as a director.
M has 4 terrific movies and NO terrible movies. I have not seen his worst, PP :P
BR has a lot of terrific and a few terrible movies. Same is the case with KB and MR.
KH just has two movies, a terrific one and a good one.
Thats why i voted for Mahendran :P
Also I guess KH's scripts are getting worse these days. After the terrific 90s,
Hey raam - Superb
VirumaaNdi - Superb
MX - Terrible
AS - so-so
DV -
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From: NOV on 13th May 2007 10:09 AM [Full View]
I dont think any one has credited anything more to Sivaji, other than good acting.neenga shivajiya thalaila thooki vechu kondadalam...naanga kamal-a thalaila thooki vechu kondada koodadha?
I guess the eye only sees what it wants to see.This statement directly contradicts NOV's earlier statements on not only Kamal, but also Mani Ratnam
I have always maintained that Kamal has good potential to be a worthy director but right now there just arent enough samples.
As for the new names mentioned in the poll, I have also given my take, and so have nothing new to add.
On a different note, there is a chinese saying that the first one to raise his voice in an argument concedes defeat, and thus anyone who makes personal remarks in a discussion is not worthy to receive a response.
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 10:29 AM [Full View]
because shivaji hadnt done anything other than acting unlike kamal. Originally Posted by nov
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 11:33 AM [Full View]
but his acting alone is enuf to overcome others.... Originally Posted by shobana_in
because shivaji hadnt done anything other than acting unlike kamal. Originally Posted by nov
......imagine TF without his contri - .......
i always say this and now too - Kamal fans need to be more appreciative of others, esp outside that Kamal/IR/IR family circle..........also, they need to understand that kamal and Ilayaraja neednt be considered best by all ...........
Kamal fans expecting/forcing others to accept Kamal as the best director ahead of Sridhar,BR,Mahendran,Maniratnam is not at all fair...i know its tuf to appreciate others when u r fans of such a multi-talented person ...........
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 11:52 AM [Full View]
again ur comprehending skills are Originally Posted by MADDY
but his acting alone is enuf to overcome others.... Originally Posted by shobana_in
because shivaji hadnt done anything other than acting unlike kamal. Originally Posted by nov
......imagine TF without his contri - .......
i always say this and now too - Kamal fans need to be more appreciative of others, esp outside that Kamal/IR/IR family circle..........also, they need to understand that kamal and Ilayaraja neednt be considered best by all ...........
(i know its tuf to appreciate others when u r a fan of such multi-talented person )
go through the whole argument...
NOV asks us not to celebrate kamal for his direction("thalaila vechu kondadradhu") and mentioned that shivaji is celebrated only for his acting skills.
so i replied him that shivaji involved only in acting...
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 12:07 PM [Full View]
my comprehension skills are just fine(u can ask my manager, if u have doubts Originally Posted by shobana_in
again ur comprehending skills are Originally Posted by MADDY
but his acting alone is enuf to overcome others.... Originally Posted by shobana_in
because shivaji hadnt done anything other than acting unlike kamal. Originally Posted by nov
......imagine TF without his contri - .......
i always say this and now too - Kamal fans need to be more appreciative of others, esp outside that Kamal/IR/IR family circle..........also, they need to understand that kamal and Ilayaraja neednt be considered best by all ...........
(i know its tuf to appreciate others when u r a fan of such multi-talented person )
go through the whole argument...
NOV asks us not to celebrate kamal for his direction("thalaila vechu kondadradhu") and mentioned that shivaji is celebrated only for his acting skills.
so i replied him that shivaji involved only in acting...).... ....its u who bought in shivaji unneccessarily here.........NOV sonnadhula enna thappu irukku - --> moonu padam panna Kamal-a best director-unnu neenga thookki vechiikittu aaduradhayum, 500 padam "nadichha" shivaji-a avanga thalaila thookki vechikittu aadaradhyum compare pannave mudiyadhu
kamal best-unnu sonna kooda ok, adhukaaga, avaru better than Mani,Mahendran,BR-unnu sollambodhudhaan - u all r irritating us.......
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From: thamizhvaanan on 13th May 2007 12:11 PM [Full View]
mentioned that shivaji is celebrated only for his acting skills.
so i replied him that shivaji involved only in acting...
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 12:18 PM [Full View]
so u and NOV expect everyone to think like u ? Originally Posted by maddy
this is a public forum...mind u!
if anyone tells kamal is best....u should tolerate it or getaway
100 padam kooda pannadha arrehman-a 800 padam panna ir-da compare pannumbodhu unga arivu enga pochu
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From: villan007 on 13th May 2007 12:19 PM [Full View]
appuram Originally Posted by shobana_in
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 12:22 PM [Full View]
then what else one would do in a public forum Originally Posted by villan007
appuram Originally Posted by shobana_in
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 12:22 PM [Full View]
villupuram Originally Posted by villan007
appuram Originally Posted by shobana_in
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From: thamizhvaanan on 13th May 2007 12:25 PM [Full View]
shobana... u missed the sole point in NOV's reply. Hope u dont comment on others comprehension skills in future Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
mentioned that shivaji is celebrated only for his acting skills.
so i replied him that shivaji involved only in acting...
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From: Ramakrishna on 13th May 2007 12:29 PM [Full View]
Kamal is the best actor, best director, best singer, best music director, best dancer, best fighter and so on. No more questioning, everyone must tolerate.
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 12:35 PM [Full View]
To Nov and Maddy. I think you guys conveniently overlook valid points here and rehashed the same questions again. Please read this.
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
This statement directly contradicts NOV's earlier statements on not only Kamal, but also Mani Ratnam Originally Posted by shobana_in
neenga shivajiya thalaila thooki vechu kondadalam...naanga kamal-a thalaila thooki vechu kondada koodadha? Originally Posted by NOV
sure. Originally Posted by RajaRam
I think kamal also 100% Tamilan.
give him credit where its due. aanaa thalaila thookki vechu aada vEndaam.
similarly maniratnam is a good director, but that does not make him the best of everything and neither should he be considered the saviour of tamil films.
appidi kondaduna ungalukku enna eriyudhu
And pl check the tone here. Extremely judgmental.
The baffling thing is, he rates Hey Ram excellent, Virumaandi good - 2 out of 3 films, yet he agrees Kamal should not be part of the list (which features Gautham Menon(!!) and Ameer, thanks to Maddy).
enakku purila....
The fact that is conveniently ignored is we are the first to criticize Kamal on anything. Till now, NOT A SINGLE person has explained or brought up just why Kamal is not a good/great director. Even assuming he isn't, why is director 'x' greater than him - NO POINT.
Atleast Nerd said he finds Kamal to be a better writer than a director - fair enough, not that i agree but atleast there is some genuine criticism. What does NOV say? - Chachi 420 is horrible. Why? He isn't obliged to answer that but neither does he have any right to stop others from saying Kamal is the best or Kamal is a great director, especially when they have the sense, knowledge, exposure, taste to appreciate good cinema and accept faults without any qualms, as they see it.
You either explain why some films are good/bad, or someone is a great director. Otherwise, you don't write judgmental posts in dictating what hubbers should say or not say. Banging one's head doesn't make any difference.
If you can't tolerate a different POV, what's the point in hubbing?
'n' number of posts were written explaining the plus-minuses of Mani's films. NOV was so much irritated with the negatives (though most of the hubbers agreed he was good and only had specific criticisms) that he explained in his judgmental tone he could not take it "Criticizing Mani will not stand" was the drift
What nonsense is this? Imposing one's blinding ignorance and complete lack of exposure to world/quality cinema of any kind other than a limited one violently protected and fought for. endha oor nyayam idhu?????
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 12:40 PM [Full View]
whats his point in "kamalai thalaila vechu kondada koodadhu"... Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
shobana... u missed the sole point in NOV's reply. Hope u dont comment on others comprehension skills in future Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
mentioned that shivaji is celebrated only for his acting skills.
so i replied him that shivaji involved only in acting...
tell me...ill learn...im just a student
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 12:41 PM [Full View]
u misunderstood...i say "he is one of the best" Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
Kamal is the best actor, best director, best singer, best music director, best dancer, best fighter and so on. No more questioning, everyone must tolerate.
but many not ready to accept...i dont care abt it...but they dont have right to say "thalaila vechu kondada koodadhu"
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 12:45 PM [Full View]
NOV says, Sivaji is a veteran in 'acting' - so thalaila vechu kondadalaamam! So, Let's assume he wouldn't mind when we say Kamal is the best actor - a nuanced and well judged view. Originally Posted by shobana_in
whats his point in "kamalai thalaila vechu kondada koodadhu"... Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
shobana... u missed the sole point in NOV's reply. Hope u dont comment on others comprehension skills in future Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
mentioned that shivaji is celebrated only for his acting skills.
so i replied him that shivaji involved only in acting...
tell me...ill learn...im just a student
But NOV overlooks Rajkumar's points.. Let him counter that first!
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From: villan007 on 13th May 2007 12:56 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
Kamal is the best actor, best director, best singer, best music director, best dancer, best fighter and so on. No more questioning, everyone must tolerate.
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 01:05 PM [Full View]
I have a small clarification. I have not seen Chachi - 420 so would like to know whether the story and presentation have any differences from the Thamiz version. Clarify pannuravangaLukku 1000 poRkaasu
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 01:08 PM [Full View]
Adhu seri. Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
Kamal is the best actor, best director, best singer, best music director, best dancer, best fighter and so on. No more questioning, everyone must tolerate.
Except for singing, music direction and fighting - he has proved himself to be a worthy contender in the rest. So it's a well balanced and nuanced critique to call him the best in those respective fields.
People who argue for the same have enough reasoning to call him the 'best'.
People who argue that he is not, please come up with enough supporting facts for the same. It's your subjective view.
So - :P
Singing - the best?
unique voice -
Music direction - 
I guess you tried to be funny there.
Fighting - Idhu yenna professional Boxing or wrestling-a? This is all about making the audience believe the stunts - in that case, he is convincing than all the stupid stunts by other actors in thamzih cinema . He is skilled in martial arts as well - if you didn't know!!!
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 01:13 PM [Full View]
True because he 'overdid' to 'overcome' Originally Posted by MADDY
but his acting alone is enuf to overcome others.... ......imagine TF without his contri - .......
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From: ajithfederer on 13th May 2007 01:15 PM [Full View]
I must admit that TFM section is definitely entertaining these days :P
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 01:18 PM [Full View]
Simple as that.. ithukku appuRamum costin puriyalEnnA Originally Posted by thilak4life
Fighting - Idhu yenna professional Boxing or wrestling-a? This is all about making the audience believe the stunts - in that case, he is convincing than all the stupid stunts by other actors in thamzih cinema . He is skilled in martial arts as well - if you didn't know!!!
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From: Nerd on 13th May 2007 01:37 PM [Full View]
Huh.. If you think KH is the best, that is fine. That does not mean that you can degrade someone who is being celebrated as one of the best ever Originally Posted by Roshan
True because he 'overdid' to 'overcome' Originally Posted by MADDY
but his acting alone is enuf to overcome others.... ......imagine TF without his contri - .......
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 01:45 PM [Full View]
Even Kamal is being celebrated as best ever - not only as an actor but also for his multifaceted talents - a rare thing even compared to world cinema personalities Originally Posted by Nerd
Huh.. If you think KH is the best, that is fine. That does not mean that you can degrade someone who is being celebrated as one of the best ever Originally Posted by Roshan
True because he 'overdid' to 'overcome' Originally Posted by MADDY
but his acting alone is enuf to overcome others.... ......imagine TF without his contri - .......
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 01:47 PM [Full View]
Idhu degrade-a? Truth is, the 'then audience' expected such performance in TFI. So he had to 'overdo' to 'overcome' them. Idhu avar fault illa! Take his performance in his later years, if there is 'apocalypse now' for Brando - there is a 'Mudhal mariyadai' for NT - I am talking about their atypical but stunning performances. Originally Posted by Nerd
Huh.. If you think KH is the best, that is fine. That does not mean that you can degrade someone who is being celebrated as one of the best ever Originally Posted by Roshan
True because he 'overdid' to 'overcome' Originally Posted by MADDY
but his acting alone is enuf to overcome others.... ......imagine TF without his contri - .......
if there is 'TGF' for MB there is 'Devar magan' for NT.
Overall, NT can act differently both 'underplaying' and 'Overdoing' . But truth is, he 'overdid' to 'overcome' others in his time. But right now, KH has already surpassed NT (although he is gracious enough to call NT 'the best' ever).
And like Roshan said, KH is multifaceted and multi talented as well - that makes him all the more unique!!!!
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From: Nerd on 13th May 2007 01:48 PM [Full View]
Yeh I know that but no one dis-credited his acting skills or termed him as an over-actor like what you have done to sivAji
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From: ajithfederer on 13th May 2007 01:48 PM [Full View]
Was Raja paarvai directed by kamal??
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 01:49 PM [Full View]
Pls don't start NT-Junior NT (kamal) fight again.
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From: Nerd on 13th May 2007 01:51 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Pls don't start NT-Junior NT (kamal) fight again.
For me NT is a better actor than KH and I do respect KH fans opinions as well but please don't dis-credit sivAji's performances. ithu en thAzhmayaana karuthu
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 01:51 PM [Full View]
Ithellam Romba over .I have no doubt Kamal has no doubt in that. Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 01:52 PM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
Yeh I know that but no one dis-credited his acting skills or termed him as an over-actor like what you have done to sivAji
Even during Sivaji's period there had been many who criticised him as an over-actor but that doesnt take anything away from what he had achieved and respected for.
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 01:54 PM [Full View]
Idhu fight-illa. We are just scrutinizing Maddy's comment that NT's acting was enough to overcome others - so, it's a valid argument that he 'overdoes' few things - which is a big dis-adv for him - whether it was his fault or not - does it matter? End of the day, you just evaluate their 'acting performances' - So, Roshan is right Originally Posted by joe
Pls don't start NT-Junior NT (kamal) fight again.
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 01:55 PM [Full View]
Etho pona poguthunnu ,senior-grathala NT great actor-nnu inga yaarum othukka venam ...
Avarai inga iLukkama irunthale pothum
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 01:57 PM [Full View]
Doubt illai - thannadakkam. Originally Posted by joe
Ithellam Romba over .I have no doubt Kamal has no doubt in that. Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: ajithfederer on 13th May 2007 01:58 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Roshan
Doubt illai - thannadakkam. Originally Posted by joe
Ithellam Romba over .I have no doubt Kamal has no doubt in that. Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 02:00 PM [Full View]
Unmai ..Thannoda Nadipellam NT-oda nadippukkuL adakkam -nnu kamal-kku theriyum. Originally Posted by Roshan
Doubt illai - thannadakkam. Originally Posted by joe
Ithellam Romba over .I have no doubt Kamal has no doubt in that. Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 02:06 PM [Full View]
Joe saar, adhu seri.. Originally Posted by joe
Unmai ..Thannoda Nadipellam NT-oda nadippukkuL adakkam -nnu kamal-kku theriyum. Originally Posted by Roshan
Doubt illai - thannadakkam. Originally Posted by joe
Ithellam Romba over .I have no doubt Kamal has no doubt in that. Originally Posted by thilak4life
But Kamal vandu Junior-NT-a? If so, the student has excelled over his master!
Secondly, Socrates kooda daan sonnaru yenoda arivu vandadu yellam from my teachers, Anaxagoras and Prodicus - adu naala avanga better ayiduvangalA?
In the same vein, Kamal has always credited Sivaji, Nagesh, chaplin, Brando, etc ..
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 02:06 PM [Full View]
oh! thannadkathukku appadi oru meaning irukkA Originally Posted by joe
Unmai ..Thannoda Nadipellam NT-oda nadippukkuL adakkam -nnu kamal-kku theriyum. Originally Posted by Roshan
Doubt illai - thannadakkam. Originally Posted by joe
Ithellam Romba over .I have no doubt Kamal has no doubt in that. Originally Posted by thilak4life
naanga -nadippai thaandiya pala vishayangaLai solrOm - so Kamal 'atheyum thAndi punithamaanavar'
Anyway, sivajiya pathi konjam sonna udana ( what we have said is nothing new - yErkanavE uLLa crtiticism thaan) - ivvalavu unarchi vasam . There are requests not even to talk anything about Sivaji but when others criticise Kamal without valid arguments/points -we Kamal fans are expected to be nice and humble and accept it with grace. entha ooru niyaayam ithu
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 02:08 PM [Full View]
Yes recently in the 'Living Legend' program on Jaya TV he said KB mattumilla Balu Mahandravun en gurthaan.. appuRamthaan friendu. Originally Posted by thilak4life
Joe saar, adhu seri.. Originally Posted by joe
Unmai ..Thannoda Nadipellam NT-oda nadippukkuL adakkam -nnu kamal-kku theriyum. Originally Posted by Roshan
Doubt illai - thannadakkam. Originally Posted by joe
Ithellam Romba over .I have no doubt Kamal has no doubt in that. Originally Posted by thilak4life
But Kamal vandu Junior-NT-a? If so, the student has excelled over his master!
Secondly, Socrates kooda daan sonnaru yenoda arivu vandadu yellam from my teachers, Anaxagoras and Prodicus - adu naala avanga better ayiduvangalA?
In the same vein, Kamal has always credited Sivaji, Nagesh, chaplin, Brando, etc ..
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From: Madavan on 13th May 2007 02:11 PM [Full View]
If a Kamal fan or anyone says Kamal is the best director, so be it.
Why can't people appreciate others opinions?
Kamal fans are not forcing anyone to agree he is the best, but the majority is campaigning against Kamal and are either forcing or laughing to make others admit Kamal is not good. As you guys, others are also entitled to their opinions.
Maddy sir, majority of ARR fans are Maniratnam fans for one reason. You have to come out of that Maniratnam, Suhasini, Northies, and ARR worlds and be more appreciative of Kamal and others. Maniratnam is not the whole cinema.
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 02:12 PM [Full View]
Roshan,
If you take all my posts as MOD's post ,I can't help..I can have my own arguements as a normal hubber.
when you say 'We kamal fans' ,I include myself ,whether you accept are not.
I won't degrade kamal in any way to glorify NT ,unlike you degrade NT to glorify Kamal.
I know Kamal is not just an actor like NT ,kamal is the best multitalented personality ,I know it.
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 02:14 PM [Full View]
That was a good one Madhavan Originally Posted by Madavan
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 02:15 PM [Full View]
exactly Originally Posted by Madavan
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 02:21 PM [Full View]
You got it completely wrong. We did not try to de-grade him we were just mentioning of a common criticism NT has from his early days. If you think it's degrading then It's up to you, I have no problems Originally Posted by joe
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 02:24 PM [Full View]
OK guys,
Try to come back to discuss Best director rather than NT-kamal ..Otherwise continue with usual NT 'over acting' stuff.
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 03:03 PM [Full View]
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From: Movie Cop on 13th May 2007 03:51 PM [Full View]
Maniratnam, A.R.Rehman, Northies world-u =>OK enga eppadi Suhasini pera "cycle gap"la nuzhacheenga! Originally Posted by Madavan
Madavan Sir - Neenga edho "hidden aggenda" oda indha thread kula vareengalonu thonudhu So far in this thread you have been vehemently putting down MR without giving any valid facts!
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From: Movie Cop on 13th May 2007 04:17 PM [Full View]
How many movies has M directed? (6 or 7 movies?) Is that good enough a # to conclude that he is THE best? :P Out of that 6-7, I've seen only 4 movies of M (all of them long time back!) and here are my ratings: Originally Posted by Nerd
Mullum Malarum - Excellent
Uthiri Pookal - Excellent
Nenjathai Killadhey - Average
Johhny - Average
Both NK and Johnny specifically had a kick a** music from IR
I like M's style of film-making.... Very calm, subtle ansd slow way of telling stories... BM followed suit later following M's style... BUT... Really BUT... Going tback to my original Q or concern I wished, really wished he directed much more movies to put him among the likes of Sridhar, KB, BM, MR or even BR!
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From: thamizhvaanan on 13th May 2007 04:43 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thilak4life
Kamal is multi-talented and superior in all of the fields that he excels at. But thats not the topic
IMO, his Heyram is better than nayagan and to me its certainly the best indian film I have ever seen. Virumaandi is a few scenes short of being a classic. But as a Kamal fan, the real pride comes in watching films like gunaa, Anbey sivam etc., which he ghost directed, speaking volumes of his directorial skills.
But at the sametime, it is unfair to call KH as a full-fledged director, while he himself resorts to ghost directing so often. If he thinks of himself as a director he wont be using the lesser directors to make his films. You cannot compare someone who resorts to direction as an avocation with a full-fledged director.
In that regard, MR is the best of the current crop. His past films were classics.. and eventhough his creativity levels have come down in the recent past, he is still able to engross and excite audiences with his scenes and narrative techniques. AP and AE compares palely only with his previous films, but they are pretty gud films on their own. And remember KM is also from recent past. So, its MR for me
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From: shobana_in on 13th May 2007 04:47 PM [Full View]
why do u say kamalhaasan is not a full-fledged director? Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Originally Posted by thilak4life
Kamal is multi-talented and superior in all of the fields that he excels at. But thats not the topic
IMO, his Heyram is better than nayagan and to me its certainly the best indian film I have ever seen. Virumaandi is a few scenes short of being a classic. But as a Kamal fan, the real pride comes in watching films like gunaa, Anbey sivam etc., which he ghost directed, speaking volumes of his directorial skills.
But at the sametime, it is unfair to call KH as a full-fledged director, while he himself resorts to ghost directing so often. If he thinks of himself as a director he wont be using the lesser directors to make his films. You cannot compare someone who resorts to direction as an avocation with a full-fledged director.
In that regard, MR is the best of the current crop. His past films were classics.. and eventhough his creativity levels have come down in the recent past, he is still able to engross and excite audiences with his scenes and narrative techniques. AP and AE compares palely only with his previous films, but they are pretty gud films on their own. And remember KM is also from recent past. So, its MR for me
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From: P_R on 13th May 2007 04:53 PM [Full View]
Well, Ameer and Bala are two other contenders in the poll with 3 movies apiece under their belt. Not even talking about quality, even if we are talking about number of films I guess Kamal should still be a contender. Originally Posted by Nerd
And all this is,even if we choose to simply look the other way in KH's active collaborations right from Raajapaarvai.
His impact in content and presentation can be discussed at length and enjoyable debates and comparisons can be possible if we can atleast admit him as atleast a poor cousin contender alongside auteurs like Gautham Menon.
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 05:00 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Well, Ameer and Bala are two other contenders in the poll with 3 movies apiece under their belt. Not even talking about quality, even if we are talking about number of films I guess Kamal should still be a contender. Originally Posted by Nerd
And all this is,even if we choose to simply look the other way in KH's active collaborations right from Raajapaarvai.
His impact in content and presentation can be discussed at length and enjoyable debates and comparisons can be possible if we can atleast admit him as atleast a poor cousin contender alongside auteurs like Gautham Menon.
Its unbelievable they are not admitting this or explaining this. Its so blatant that it stares at you in the face
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 05:02 PM [Full View]
This is your problem. When Sivaji is even mildly criticized, it is 'degradation', whereas for Kamal, its no big deal?? Originally Posted by joe
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 05:05 PM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
Originally Posted by joe
Pls don't start NT-Junior NT (kamal) fight again.
For me NT is a better actor than KH and I do respect KH fans opinions as well but please don't dis-credit sivAji's performances. ithu en thAzhmayaana karuthu
Discredit pannala.
Adhu eppadinga, according to NOV, Kamal is *just* an actor par excellence. That is an incredibly naive and ill-informed opinion. Kamal-a praise pannina avarala thaanga mudiyala, ketta "i am against fanaticism".
Appo Sivaji-fanaticism or Mani-fanaticism mattum allowed-a?
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From: nemesis786 on 13th May 2007 05:06 PM [Full View]
KS Ravikumar is a veteran they have missed out and listed bachas in the list!
Amir, Bala, Gautham ... hmmm
Aamir --- Accepted he has done only3 films but shown lots of variety !
Bala --- First love, next mother-son, next friendship all had onething in common a psycho like animal like hero! I would say he can be considered to an extent!
Gautham -- one love story, 2 cop stories of same genre, one thriller! No comments!
AR MURUGADOSS [ the missed out man] -- One rowdy story with masala, one society based story , one intense love story with class n style!
Why missed him out? He has dealt with various subjects till now! Ivanga 3 perula evanaiyum outof tamil nadula koopida koodai lai! Murugadoss was called by megastar chiranjeevi for STALIN, AAMIR for GHAJINI!
Shows u r missing 2 important directos KSR a veteran and MURUGADOSS the upcoming director to reckon with
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 05:09 PM [Full View]
crajkumar_be, Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
This is your problem. When Sivaji is even mildly criticized, it is 'degradation', whereas for Kamal, its no big deal?? Originally Posted by joe
This is thread is about directors .There is no need to drag NT here ,since NT has nothing to do with Direction.
I have no second opinion that Kamal is the most talented as a muti-talented cine personality .But considering acting NT is best
Disc : This is my opinion as a hubber ,not a instruction as a MOD.
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 05:12 PM [Full View]
There is a thing in English called analogy. When we say Sivaji in this thread, it is NOT TO DISCUSS HIS CAPACITIES AS A DIRECTOR. It is to counter your point about Kamal fans "kamal-a thalaila thooki vechikkardhu". So, the counter question is "Sivaji-a mattum fans thalaila thookki vechikkalama?". Meaning, Sivaji acting a pathi neenga thalaila thookki vechikkalama?? Originally Posted by NOV
Purinjidha?
NOV, you are greatI guess the eye only sees what it wants to see.
I have always maintained that Kamal has good potential to be a worthy director but right now there just arent enough samples.
You can accept Ameer, Gautham Menon and Bala but not Kamal?? enna oru pathu padam panniruppaingala????
Proverb ellam nalla dhaan irukku, aana ketta kelvigalukku badhil-a kaanom, as usual Originally Posted by Nov
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 05:19 PM [Full View]
Joe, Originally Posted by joe
For the last time, Sivaji was brought in to counter Nov's degrading remarks against Kamal fans. We are not talking about Sivaji's acting or directing here.
We were discussing just directing merits, criticisms etc till Nov came up with that needless personal remark against Kamal fans
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 05:29 PM [Full View]
Rajkumar,
vidunga ..NOV-oda comment-kku NT-ya yen kondu varnmunnu enakku puriyalla.
Enakku cinema-la NT,kamal iruvarum iru kangal.
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From: thamizhvaanan on 13th May 2007 05:44 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
He thinks its a worthy analogy :P
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 06:07 PM [Full View]
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 06:34 PM [Full View]
I dont understand what is meant by 'personal remarks' here Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Proverb ellam nalla dhaan irukku, aana ketta kelvigalukku badhil-a kaanom, as usual Originally Posted by Nov
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From: nemesis786 on 13th May 2007 06:34 PM [Full View]
hmmmm i would say KSR's name and KAMAL's names should figure in the poll along with the upcoming AR MURUGADOSS
First of all this thread lacks direction! Is it list of "best veteran directors" or "best new / upcoming directors" ?
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 06:36 PM [Full View]
hello ma'm, will u mind ur words?? Originally Posted by shobana_in
so u and NOV expect everyone to think like u ?
this is a public forum...mind u!
if anyone tells kamal is best....u should tolerate it or getaway
100 padam kooda pannadha arrehman-a 800 padam panna ir-da compare pannumbodhu unga arivu enga pochu .............
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 07:02 PM [Full View]
yes, ARR fans feel strongly for Mani just the way Kamal fans feel for IR.....idhula endha thappum illa........but ARR fans - if u can see - have appreciated all directors and are appreciative of many people in many fields.......its there for everyone to see......i have openly agreed that BR has touched me more than Mani - vera enna venum??? Originally Posted by Madavan
go and read my comments on YSR's music in PV - i have appreciated him too.......
coming to kamal - yes, no doubts, he is a terrific actor.......one who set path for others to follow.........deep,voracious reader and great observer of various happenings......path breaking script-writer too - but but director - .....sorry boss, i think we can learn to disagree here...... 
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From: P_R on 13th May 2007 07:12 PM [Full View]
MADDY, this even before comparing Kamal with BR, KB etc. The qn is how come Ameer, Bala and Gautham make it to the poll and Kamal doesn't ?
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 07:18 PM [Full View]
PR, i have clearly mentioned y, those 3 are in the list.........IMO........i mite have a "inferior" opinion - but cant help it......i thot Kamal hasnt changed anything in TF, with his direction skill..........(i'm calculating only his 3 films).......whereas Bala,Gautham and Ameer have defined somethings and are indicators of the direction in which TF is going Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
(selvaraghavan too)
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 07:23 PM [Full View]
With all due respect sir. If you remove the subjective "IMO" from your above-said statement, that doesn't make any sense at all! - that should throw some light over the truth of it all, seriously! Whatever happened to objectivity in Hub! Originally Posted by MADDY
PR, i have clearly mentioned y, those 3 are in the list.........IMO........i mite have a "inferior" opinion - but cant help it......i thot Kamal hasnt changed anything in TF, with his direction skill..........(i'm calculating only his 3 films).......whereas Bala,Gautham and Ameer have defined somethings and are indicators of the direction in which TF is going Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
(selvaraghavan too)
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 07:40 PM [Full View]
well, i put IMO - cos i still respect all opinions, (believe it or not).........as far as ppl. who think i've done something wrong by excluding kamal and including GM,Ameer - my suggestions -> Originally Posted by thilak4life
a) u can start listing the things kamal has done in changing the industry(with his 3 films) and prove me wrong.......
b) u can start a new thread including kamal in it and exlcuding Mani in it
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From: P_R on 13th May 2007 07:50 PM [Full View]
Ok let us continue to judiciously stick to the rule book and take the title card seriously - a rah thing to do. So let us just get to Hey Ram.
Let me use some broad parameters to judge direction distinct from the writing.
1) Actors' performances
The range of characters owed largely to the enviable canvas. But it was taken further by the spot on performances from the main characters that made it dead easy to feel with them without a hitch. Forget Abyankar and Maithili , one can even remember with clarity the oily 'coordinator' Govardhan and the imposing Vasantha-akka. Have watched it several times to spot that one drop in guard, where some actor's expression is studies, artificial or at least late. Still searching.
2) Evoking the environment of the time and place
Oru paanai sOrukku oru example - maargazhi bajanai gOshti dawn.
3) Narrative style of jumping forward, across and fluently managing a largely first person narrative (as far as I know the only one in TF history)
4) Visual cues for the viewer to pick and fit into the film to further the effect . KH, the writer, seems to be monopolizing this space in TF. But the finesse with which things come across here merits separate essays.
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just till here, this single film will match the complete works of atleast , at least, Gautham Menon.
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From: P_R on 13th May 2007 07:58 PM [Full View]
a) - just started on it... Originally Posted by MADDY
as far as ppl. who think i've done something wrong by excluding kamal and including GM,Ameer - my suggestions ->
a) u can start listing the things kamal has done in changing the industry(with his 3 films) and prove me wrong.......
b) u can start a new thread including kamal in it and exlcuding Mani in it
b) - why start a separate thread on the same subject ? And you saying "excluding Mani" is completely unwarranted. Why do u consider every single pro-Kamal argument as an anti-Mani argument ???
As far I can see all that is being argued till now, saying Kamal - though he directed only 2 films can atleast be included alongside Gautham, Amer etc. Where does excluding Mani come into the picture at all
In the present scheme of things there is no way to compare Kamal's films with those of BR,KB,MR etc. Including him in the poll will allow for that.
PS: Nice avtAr !
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 08:03 PM [Full View]
a) What KH did in his films - Originally Posted by MADDY
well, i put IMO - cos i still respect all opinions, (believe it or not).........as far as ppl. who think i've done something wrong by excluding kamal and including GM,Ameer - my suggestions -> Originally Posted by thilak4life
a) u can start listing the things kamal has done in changing the industry(with his 3 films) and prove me wrong.......
b) u can start a new thread including kamal in it and exlcuding Mani in it
Hey ram - it's a historical drama. Its complexity in handling various themes needs a separate critiquing. In short, No thamizh film directors have managed to produce a magnum opus distantly close to it. - PR has mentioned few pointers as well.
Virumandi - It's a rural psychological drama - The narrative technique where the truth contradicts the earlier contrived version - The eye for details.
Now this is definitely not within the scope of the other directors and if this hasn't 'changed' the industry, then what does!
b) Mani will be in the list because a list should be objective and not one-sided or biased or subjective!
P.S: Count the number of takers for KH - it would be significant - objectivity. For one last time, Kamal haasan and Vishal baradwaj are arguably the best directors from the country in the recent times - If you don't accept this, you are at liberty to do so - But, this is a nuanced critique with an objective et macro perspective.
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From: P_R on 13th May 2007 08:10 PM [Full View]
pOchu ! ellAm pOchu. ippovE best-nu sonnA straight-a MR, KB kooda ellAm comparison varum. Originally Posted by thilak4life
best paththi ellAm medhuvA pEsikkuvOm. mudhalle nominAte aaguradhukku vazhi irukkAnnu pArppOm
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 08:13 PM [Full View]
Maddy, Originally Posted by MADDY
coming to kamal - yes, no doubts, he is a terrific actor.......one who set path for others to follow.........deep,voracious reader and great observer of various happenings......path breaking script-writer too - but but director - .....sorry boss, i think we can learn to disagree here......
I have trust in your comprehending abilities and basic English understanding. Please answer the questions:
Why do you think Kamal is not fit enough to be in this list as a director. Is it because of
1) the number of films he has officially directed?
If so how come Gautham Menon, Ameer and Bala figure in the list?
2) Or is it because you think
Gutham's/Ameer's/Bala's direction is better than that of Chachi 420, Hey Ram and Virumaandi??
Either case, ungalukku
Enough said.
Thamizhvanan,
naana solla varadha puriliya illa puriyadha madhiri nadikkareengala?
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From: nemesis786 on 13th May 2007 08:15 PM [Full View]
Yov Mudhala KSR a podunga pa oru veterana miss panitu
Gautham irukaaru MURUGADOSSa enge kaanom
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 08:18 PM [Full View]
Adha vidunga.. Ivanga nominee-ya setha daan namba karutha sollanum-a? Moreover, like what Rajkumar said sometime back, I am glad that KH isn't included in the list - as that would only bring down his value or stature! Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
pOchu ! ellAm pOchu. ippovE best-nu sonnA straight-a MR, KB kooda ellAm comparison varum. Originally Posted by thilak4life
best paththi ellAm medhuvA pEsikkuvOm. mudhalle nominAte aaguradhukku vazhi irukkAnnu pArppOm
Joe and NOV - where are the answers to my earlier post.
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 08:19 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Roshan
I dont understand what is meant by 'personal remarks' here Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Proverb ellam nalla dhaan irukku, aana ketta kelvigalukku badhil-a kaanom, as usual Originally Posted by Nov
Exactly!
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 08:22 PM [Full View]
a) Can you list how Gautham, Ameer and Bala "changed the industry"???? Originally Posted by MADDY
a) u can start listing the things kamal has done in changing the industry(with his 3 films) and prove me wrong.......
b) u can start a new thread including kamal in it and exlcuding Mani in it
b) What?????? Why should we start a new thread? Who the hell talked about the exclusion of Mani?????
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 08:24 PM [Full View]
1. PR, if u see a movie more than 100 times - u'll remember all the characters in it....... Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
- JK.............i really remember all the characters in Sethu, - not that i saw it many times, the loosu character to iyer boy in his group - all..........even that small role by heroine's akka - ....we all know wat Kaakka Kaakka meant to surya....
2. Ameer - evokes a poerfect "madurai" feel with PV - any madurai guys, please correct me if i'm wrong.....
3. yes, that was something appreciable in Hey raam - keeping flashbacks largely in "single person" - but was that achieved 100% - doubt it .................i remember Mahedran's flashback/moving forward/going back sorta narration in Johnny which was near to perfect, in this sense
4. i think GM has done it a lot of visual cue picking for viewers in KK and VV
wat i'm trying to say is, these things have already been done by other directors and new guys as well.......still u wanna compare "full" time directors with a
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 08:24 PM [Full View]
Haha..No one did. Maddy thinks those who are supporting KH are by default against MR Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 08:29 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
oru pAnai sOthukku oru sOru padham.
Dude, do you seriously know what a visual cue means?????? :lol2
Prabhu Ram/Thilak,
idhukku melayum indha direction pathi ennatha pesa ivanga kitta?
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th May 2007 08:36 PM [Full View]
Maddy Originally Posted by MADDY
1. PR, if u see a movie more than 100 times - u'll remember all the characters in it....... Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
- JK.............i really remember all the characters in Sethu, - not that i saw it many times, the loosu character to iyer boy in his group - all..........even that small role by heroine's akka - ....we all know wat Kaakka Kaakka meant to surya....
2. Ameer - evokes a poerfect "madurai" feel with PV - any madurai guys, please correct me if i'm wrong.....
3. yes, that was something appreciable in Hey raam - keeping flashbacks largely in "single person" - but was that achieved 100% - doubt it .................i remember Mahedran's flashback/moving forward/going back sorta narration in Johnny which was near to perfect, in this sense
4. i think GM has done it a lot of visual cue picking for viewers in KK and VV
wat i'm trying to say is, these things have already been done by other directors and new guys as well.......still u wanna compare "full" time directors with a
1) PR doesnt talk about remembering the characters. I even remember all the characters in Sivakasi.
He is talking about the acting in the film the director manages to extract. He means he is searching for atleast one drop of guard in the actors (even side actors) and he couldnt find one. Purinjidha???
2) He is talking about the evocation of environment of time and place. Subtlety. Oru padathula oru nigazhchi nadandhudhu na adhoda context endha alavukku detailed a irukku, adhe samayathula subtle a irukku.
Neenga solradhu nativity. Ameer kaanbicha nativity adhukku munnadi ethana padathula irundhudhu na sollava???
3) He is talking about first person narrative.
unmayileye ungalukku puriliya illa nadikkareengala??
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 08:44 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by MADDY
oru pAnai sOthukku oru sOru padham.
Dude, do you seriously know what a visual cue means?????? :lol2
Prabhu Ram/Thilak,
idhukku melayum indha direction pathi ennatha pesa ivanga kitta? - as i told u, its my opinions and views........... .....it mite be "inferior" too.........
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From: MADDY on 13th May 2007 08:54 PM [Full View]
rajkumar -
1. GM has extracted very good performance from SUrya and it lifted his career single-handedly
2. i accept "first person perspective" - point
and i'm not against - kamal in the list
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 08:54 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
1. PR, if u see a movie more than 100 times - u'll remember all the characters in it....... - JK.............i really remember all the characters in Sethu, - not that i saw it many times, the loosu character to iyer boy in his group - all..........even that small role by heroine's akka - ....we all know wat Kaakka Kaakka meant to surya....
I havent seen it 100 times. I still remember the young kid, the muslim boy, the new flat owner (who comes in 'nee partha' song), etc While characters like the iyer boy in 'Sethu' is just an epitome of stereotyped portrayal of 'iyers' - Right from NT in VV with lines like "Yendi pattu" - if that was outdated and exaggerated- then what would you say for such 'dumb' portrayals in the recent Anniyan(Ambi)!!! While KH is one director who doesn't discriminate or portray stereotypes of any cast. And talking about stereotypes, we have already spoken about Weirdos in Bala's movies. From the 'lady in Nanda' to 'Vikram in Pithamagan' - KH has made it a point to avoid such flawed, corny and cliched characterization.
P.S: I'm not a brahmin.
2. Ameer - evokes a poerfect "madurai" feel with PV - any madurai guys, please correct me if i'm wrong.....
KH has shown various people from different parts of Indians and not just relegated to thamizhians. He has also evoked different feels in different movies - both extremes - urban and rural
3. yes, that was something appreciable in Hey raam - keeping flashbacks largely in "single person" - but was that achieved 100% - doubt it .................i remember Mahedran's flashback/moving forward/going back sorta narration in Johnny which was near to perfect, in this sense
first person narrative
4. i think GM has done it a lot of visual cue picking for viewers in KK and VV
In hey ram, Why the present sequence in B/W while the past to be colourful? - have you ever thought of this - - in a Malaysian interview, KH answers why! please watch it - This is what you call it as Visual-cue-picking! One of the reasons why KH and VB are the best in the business!
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 09:04 PM [Full View]
Atul kulkarni - Hey ram Originally Posted by MADDY
Pasupathy - Virumandi
Enough I think :P
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 09:07 PM [Full View]
Peikkaman-a nadichare Shanmugarajan (?) too. Originally Posted by thilak4life
Atul kulkarni - Hey ram Originally Posted by MADDY
Pasupathy - Virumandi
Enough I think :P
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 09:12 PM [Full View]
Vanga Vanga. Yes avarum daan..please answer my earlier post. I am waiting for your reply. Originally Posted by joe
Peikkaman-a nadichare Shanmugarajan (?) too. Originally Posted by thilak4life
Atul kulkarni - Hey ram Originally Posted by MADDY
Pasupathy - Virumandi
Enough I think :P
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From: RajaRam on 13th May 2007 09:48 PM [Full View]
Nerd,Nammavar did not get any national award. KaruthammA won that year
If you don't know anything keep quite. Don't give false news.
Karuthamma selected for best social movie.
Nammavar selected for best regional movie.
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From: joe on 13th May 2007 09:50 PM [Full View]
Nagesh got Best supporting Actor national award for Nammavar Originally Posted by RajaRam
Nerd,Nammavar did not get any national award. KaruthammA won that year
If you don't know anything keep quite. Don't give false news.
Karuthamma selected for best social movie.
Nammavar selected for best regional movie.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on 13th May 2007 09:55 PM [Full View]
while kamal is not appriciated by silapala ppl in TN, as a director, its bit true.
as a indirector(this is better word than ghost director, as kamal doesn't produces ghost movies) but as an indirector kamal has done tremendous contibution to tamil cinema
but one need to remember his ghost direction has good inputs from Madhan\Pralayan\Crazy Mohan\Sujatha\Ra Ki Rengarajan\Ananthu\Singeetham Srinivasa Rao ect ect. So here his contribution slightly comes to a lower rate.
so he comes very very very very close to veterans like kb\br\mahendran maniratnam ect
also one need to write a book about his technical skills which he brought into his films[which again will come under directorial skills]
so he is surely years ahead with the genx directors like ameer\bala\selva as a director.
so its very demanding one to add his name in the list, and also to clearly seperate the new\old gen of directors
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From: thilak4life on 13th May 2007 09:58 PM [Full View]
Yes, He completely stole the show in that long shot where he comes to see his dead daughter and the camera would still be rolling until he moans his heart out and simultaneously KH consoles him while the doctor injects him anesthetic drug, eventually he would doze off! - Amazing performance in an amazing sequence! Originally Posted by joe
Nagesh got Best supporting Actor national award for Nammavar Originally Posted by RajaRam
Nerd,Nammavar did not get any national award. KaruthammA won that year
If you don't know anything keep quite. Don't give false news.
Karuthamma selected for best social movie.
Nammavar selected for best regional movie.
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From: thamizhvaanan on 13th May 2007 11:20 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
while kamal is not appriciated by silapala ppl in TN, as a director, its bit true.
as a indirector(this is better word than ghost director, as kamal doesn't produces ghost movies) but as an indirector kamal has done tremendous contibution to tamil cinema
but one need to remember his ghost direction has good inputs from Madhan\Pralayan\Crazy Mohan\Sujatha\Ra Ki Rengarajan\Ananthu\Singeetham Srinivasa Rao ect ect. So here his contribution slightly comes to a lower rate.
so he comes very very very very close to veterans like kb\br\mahendran maniratnam ect
also one need to write a book about his technical skills which he brought into his films[which again will come under directorial skills]
so he is surely years ahead with the genx directors like ameer\bala\selva as a director.
so its very demanding one to add his name in the list, and also to clearly seperate the new\old gen of directors Guys.. when I said KH cant be treated as a director, it was in comparison only with MR and other veterans. The discussion I saw upto that pt was MR vs KH.
I am against the presence of names like ameer, bala and GM. Bala... let him first come out of his obsession for abnormal characters... portraying weird things doesnt always make a film special. Ameer... all his films were gud, but nothing special. GM doesn even belong to this league
One director i am tempted to suggest, eventhough he has done very few films is Selva raghavan. IMO he has got the stuff to be a classic director!
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 11:31 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
while kamal is not appriciated by silapala ppl in TN, as a director, its bit true.
as a indirector(this is better word than ghost director, as kamal doesn't produces ghost movies) but as an indirector kamal has done tremendous contibution to tamil cinema
but one need to remember his ghost direction has good inputs from Madhan\Pralayan\Crazy Mohan\Sujatha\Ra Ki Rengarajan\Ananthu\Singeetham Srinivasa Rao ect ect. So here his contribution slightly comes to a lower rate.
so he comes very very very very close to veterans like kb\br\mahendran maniratnam ect
also one need to write a book about his technical skills which he brought into his films[which again will come under directorial skills]
so he is surely years ahead with the genx directors like ameer\bala\selva as a director.
so its very demanding one to add his name in the list, and also to clearly seperate the new\old gen of directors
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From: Roshan on 13th May 2007 11:39 PM [Full View]
TVN, Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Guys.. when I said KH cant be treated as a director, it was in comparison only with MR and other veterans. The discussion I saw upto that pt was MR vs KH.
I am against the presence of names like ameer, bala and GM. Bala... let him first come out of his obsession for abnormal characters... portraying weird things doesnt always make a film specia. Ameer... all his films were gud, but nothing special. GM doesn even belong to this league
One director i am tempted to suggest, eventhough he has done very few films is Selva raghavan. IMO he has got the stuff to be a classic director!
I am glad you got the whole picture and understood what we were trying to say all this time .Thanks
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From: Nerd on 13th May 2007 11:53 PM [Full View]
So can we declare that Ramanarayanan is the best because he has directed 100+ movies? Also Stanley Kubrick has just directed 12 movies. He is being hailed as one of the best directors ever Originally Posted by Movie Cop
I would rate ALL this four movies as excellent. There are a lot of visual cues (:P) in Johnny, the climax is the best of them all. Also he has not given a single TERRIBLE movie. Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Originally Posted by Movie Cop
I am a big big fan of such movies, I dont normally complain about the pace if the movie makes me completely invovled. I seldom take a break while watching M's movies :P
My point is M has not directed a single TERRIBLE movie so far and thats why I rate him as THE best. S, KB, BM, MR, BR have a lot of TERRIBLE movies and so there Originally Posted by Movie Cop
I wished, really wished he directed much more movies to put him among the likes of Sridhar, KB, BM, MR or even BR!
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From: Nerd on 14th May 2007 12:00 AM [Full View]
PR and others I never rated ameer, GM and the likes above KH. The reason Maddy has been giving for excluding KH is that, he has not been a trendsetter, at least yet. I don't know what trend did GM and Ameer set Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Well, Ameer and Bala are two other contenders in the poll with 3 movies apiece under their belt. Not even talking about quality, even if we are talking about number of films I guess Kamal should still be a contender. Originally Posted by Nerd
And all this is,even if we choose to simply look the other way in KH's active collaborations right from Raajapaarvai.
His impact in content and presentation can be discussed at length and enjoyable debates and comparisons can be possible if we can atleast admit him as atleast a poor cousin contender alongside auteurs like Gautham Menon.
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From: Nerd on 14th May 2007 12:29 AM [Full View]
I don't believe this Originally Posted by RajaRam
Nerd,Nammavar did not get any national award. KaruthammA won that year
If you don't know anything keep quite. Don't give false news.
Karuthamma selected for best social movie.
Nammavar selected for best regional movie.
And whats the point? Did KH direct nammavar? Any way its a pretty ordinary movie :P
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From: nemesis786 on 14th May 2007 01:53 AM [Full View]
I asked "MADDY" who started this thread why dint he include AR Murugadoss, KSR , Selvaragavan and Cheran... he says they did not bring anything new into tamil cinema [ exclude selva from this ] !
My question is what maniratnam brought new? HE brought in Hollywood movies remakes? or Manisha Koirala or aishwarya rai??? Idhellam newa? Gautham? fellow has no idea makes back to back police stories! One flop movie PKMS but u call him as innovative just for 1 movie KK? Bah humbug!
Bala indeed got in something new with sethu but he became repetitive with the lead character being an animal like psycho in all movies!
Ameer hmmm mounam pesiyadhe was new in script n screenplay in modern times!
When i asked "Mr.MADDY" why he dint include ARM he says he never brought anything new
What maniratnam brough tman? HE made biographies as movies and hollywood movie! He did bring someform of new narration with alaipayuthey agreed!
MADDY asks me whether i am asking for ARM bcoz he worked with AJITH.... MADDY u r supporting maniratnam bcoz he is working with ARR?
Even you would jing-jak for ARM soon as he is working with your celebrated ARR for aamir's version of gajini
What a biased , directionless thread that has mixed up various generations of directors and comparing them?!?!?!?
I will cease to post here from this moment! In future have some clarity of thought before starting one such poll !
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 07:54 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by nemesis786
I asked "MADDY" who started this thread why dint he include AR Murugadoss, KSR , Selvaragavan and Cheran... he says they did not bring anything new into tamil cinema [ exclude selva from this ] !
My question is what maniratnam brought new? HE brought in Hollywood movies remakes? or Manisha Koirala or aishwarya rai??? Idhellam newa? Gautham? fellow has no idea makes back to back police stories! One flop movie PKMS but u call him as innovative just for 1 movie KK? Bah humbug!
Bala indeed got in something new with sethu but he became repetitive with the lead character being an animal like psycho in all movies!
Ameer hmmm mounam pesiyadhe was new in script n screenplay in modern times!
When i asked "Mr.MADDY" why he dint include ARM he says he never brought anything new
What maniratnam brough tman? HE made biographies as movies and hollywood movie! He did bring someform of new narration with alaipayuthey agreed!
MADDY asks me whether i am asking for ARM bcoz he worked with AJITH.... MADDY u r supporting maniratnam bcoz he is working with ARR?
Even you would jing-jak for ARM soon as he is working with your celebrated ARR for aamir's version of gajini
What a biased , directionless thread that has mixed up various generations of directors and comparing them?!?!?!?
I will cease to post here from this moment! In future have some clarity of thought before starting one such poll !
ARM and Vishnuvardhan are good entertainers but they havent bought anything new - seriously.........if someone has patience, they can go throgh y i have included Ameer and GM in the initial pages........and also its my opinion......i also requested Joe to add more options....i also suggested to edit the poll caption to most fav director instead of best.......i cant fit everyone into scheme of things.......anyways, Prasadh, u mean to say u wud have voted for ARM ahead of KB??? ........pinna ARM-a poll vechhi enna prayojanam???
reg jink-jak - > please, evryone are like that......yaen ippa Ajith fans Billa-la yuvan music poudraannu sollittu, theva illama avarukku support pannalyaa??? illa kamal fans dhaan - Ameer, kamal narpani mandram urupinar endru PV-ukku amoga varaverpu kudukkalaya?? ennamo naa oruthhan dhaan appadi pannura madhiri sollura (rendu vaarathukku vijay photo potta, naa vijay supporter-a?? )
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From: shobana_in on 14th May 2007 10:19 AM [Full View]
maddy....what do u mean by bringing anything new bringing anything new?
do u mean kamal dint bring anything new in hey ram or virumandi?
what trend did they set(bala,ameer and goutham).....mahendran,barathiraja balumahendra pannadhadha enna pannitanga?
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From: ajithfederer on 14th May 2007 10:31 AM [Full View]
Maddy whats that signature of urs??? ......
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From: Srimannarayanan on 14th May 2007 10:36 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Madavan
Madavan Sir
You can say that again.
Oru Vasagam Sonnalum Thiruvasagam sir.
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 11:48 AM [Full View]
dont worry, nuthing related to health/personal issues Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Maddy whats that signature of urs??? ......
sriram-> u know that i appreciate kamalhassan more than u guys appreciate ARR/Mani.......
shobana-> u can go thru the initial pages on y the last 3 made my list.......for ur sake, i'm resummarising:
1. Sridhar -> invented the importance of technology in tamil cinema
ex: scenes in old movies used to start with camera focussed on faces, watch sridhar's movies -> it used to start from a "passive" object
2. Mahendran -> de-dramatizing the tamil cinema.....very subtle/silent dialogues
ex: watch the climax of uthiree pookkal/.............adhigaaramo, aarpaattamo, ivar padangalil illa
3. Bharathiraja -> revolutionsing the tamil cinema with novel ideas and direction......his movies give u feel of reading "thomas hardy's" novels......
ex: there are too many really
4. K.Balachander -> entertaining the tamil people with bold and interesting/stylish direction
ex: aboorva raagangal -> scene where kamal/srividya and major/his partner varadhu : yaar kaalla yaaru vizhuradhu
5. Maniratnam -> u like it or not, he is the most successful commercial director with a artistic touch..........the range of scripts he has handled is unprallel........
ex: compare a Mouna raagam and Kannathil muthhamittal -> thats variety
6. Balu Mahendra -> probably the founder of dark movies, which bala and ameer are pioneering now......
ex: mind of a married man in "rettai vaal kuruvi"
7. Bala -> breaking the "maniratnam mayakkam" in tamil cinema with his hard hitting/reality crushing movies........
ex: sethu climax
8. Ameer -> probably the first director in Tamil who depended on "sequence of events" than a strong storyline to move a film.......PV, using natural light and natural dubbing -> we cud see the effects
ex: Mounam pesiyadhe - where was the story and how did he make us sit for 3 hours
9. Gautam -> technology, new scripts.......his movies are more slick than the most.......handling complex stories like homsexual-serial killers vs a middle-aged cop.........
ex: watch the karka karka song -> using time-slice method to perfection
i couldnt add selvaraghavan(bcos of limitation of adding only 9 options) -> he is another real/hardhitting guy.......
the purpose of this thread was to compare the generations and tracing the growth/evolution of directorship in tamil with importance to Milestone movies......
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 11:54 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Maddy
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 12:12 PM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
PR and others I never rated ameer, GM and the likes above KH. The reason Maddy has been giving for excluding KH is that, he has not been a trendsetter, at least yet. I don't know what trend did GM and Ameer set
enna ippadi kettupteenga?
Maddy is our own Roger Ebert
Gautham - Time-slice technology in Karka Karka song. Hence he is a trend setter. Changed the TF industry by this masterstroke.
Handled complex issues like homosexuality (how can men who rape women be called homosexuals?), psychopath serial killers by not revealing everything till the interval, thereby maintaining seat-edge suspense till the end.
For the first time in Tamil Police History, in Kaakka Kaakka we have TN cops shouting "FREEZE!" to hardened local goondas who use guns like street urchins use blades.
And yeah he makes great music videos - thats enough for a great FILm director.
A great master of the cinematic medium.
Ameer - Mounam Pesiyadhe. How did he make us sit through 3 hours of this movie? Never mind. We sat, didn't we? That makes him another trend-setter.
Don't ask questions like Gangai Amaran (Kounder/Senthil, Raaja)making us sit through Karakattakkaran etc..
Set another trend - Surya wearing contact lenses and looking sideways and smoking a cigarette while talking. Even after the movie, neither the director, nor the actor was sure what the lead character was about. That's nuance for you
Bala - Enough has already been said
I nominate Maddy to head the National Award Jury for 2007
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 12:22 PM [Full View]
correction accepted -> they were BISEXUALS....... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
thank u thank u.............atleast i'll be better than u guys - who'll be giving best actor,actress,MD,director,Story, producer,singer,make-up artsiste (thereby spl effects) to one single person Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 12:26 PM [Full View]
In neither case was he the first. Originally Posted by MADDY
8. Ameer -> probably the first director in Tamil who depended on "sequence of events" than a strong storyline to move a film.......PV, using natural light and natural dubbing -> we cud see the effects
Natural light, natural dubbing-a???
The terms should be available light and live dubbing, respectively
Let's talk something technical here, can we?
Mahanadhi - First to use Avid Editing. You know when Avid became famous even in Hollywood???
In the jail scenes in the night between P.Viswanathan and Kamal, they had used "Day For Night" effect (similar to the one used in Unna Vida song)
Guna - First to use steady cam. Lights pathi pesareengale, Guna caves nu oru matter irukku theriyuma? THAT was a trend-setter. Kanmani Anbodu song??????
Appo Santhana Bharathi should be in the list too (he also directed the trend-setting school romance Panneer Pushpangal along with P.Vasu)
Live Sound - ??? Hey Ram was the first film to use live synch sound. Talking of Hey Ram, it was a trend-setter/breaker in almost every department of film-making.
Casting, Acting, Screen-writing, Music Direction, Cinematography, Art Direction, Editing, Make-up and Sound Editing
Available Light (natural light) - So many movies have been shot mainly with available light. Way back. And you think PV is the first????
Incidentally, FYI, Kamal has been involved in many technological "firsts" in TF industry in the last decade or two.
Definitely, and OBVIOUSLY you can't be serious. I know you are just kidding, right? Originally Posted by MADDY
ex: Mounam pesiyadhe - where was the story and how did he make us sit for 3 hours
Same as above. Originally Posted by MADDY
9. Gautam -> technology, new scripts.......his movies are more slick than the most.......handling complex stories like homsexual-serial killers vs a middle-aged cop.........
ex: watch the karka karka song -> using time-slice method to perfection
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 12:32 PM [Full View]
English purinjavanga ippadi pesa mattanga. Originally Posted by MADDY
thank u thank u.............atleast i'll be better than u guys - who'll be giving best actor,actress,MD,director,Story, producer,singer,make-up artsiste (thereby spl effects) to one single person
Naanga solradhu, Kamal is the best director.
Others may disagree, we respect that. I and other takers for Kamal have already made our points on the same and none would say what you accuse us of.
However, your explanations are pathetic attempts to justify your cause, where none exists.
Aleast we would make informed choices. Boss, kenathu thavaila thanama abathamana karuthukkala sollittu "opinion" engira porvaikkulla olinjikka maattom. We should know what we're talking about
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From: thamizhvaanan on 14th May 2007 12:32 PM [Full View]
Maddy, remove Ameer's, bala's and Gautam menon's names from the list . Its almost everyone's opinion that they are misfit among the names listed
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From: joe on 14th May 2007 01:07 PM [Full View]
But the funny thing is ,GM and Ameer got more votes than BaluMahendra Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Maddy, remove Ameer's, bala's and Gautam menon's names from the list . Its almost everyone's opinion that they are misfit among the names listed
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From: thilak4life on 14th May 2007 01:12 PM [Full View]
That should shed some light over judgmental value of the voters Originally Posted by joe
But the funny thing is ,GM and Ameer got more votes than BaluMahendra Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Maddy, remove Ameer's, bala's and Gautam menon's names from the list . Its almost everyone's opinion that they are misfit among the names listed
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From: groucho070 on 14th May 2007 01:15 PM [Full View]
Are we talking about best director or trend-setters? Or the most entertaining.
rajkumar, the term you are looking for is probably live recording, instead of live dubbing. Live dubbing could be someone recorded for voice as the actor acts. Don't know if such thing is possible.
I guess all these explanations about available light and live recording are the ones that take place post 16 Vayathinile? Because older movies rely on live recording. Everyone has to use their own voice, no matter they are of what language. It was only after that that we became entranced with actors and actreses (especially) who use their own voice.
If Kamal did (I'm sure he did) ghost-directed all those personal projects of his, I would still rank him higher than MR as a good director. Both has their strength and weaknesses...and Kamal being the better director to bring out the best in his fellow actors.
MR stunned us with his visuals beginning with Mouna Ragam. Nayagan blew us away. Thalabathi made my jaw drop. After that it was just some passage we were dragged along. Occasionally I am amazed. After Thalabathi I liked his Thiruda Thiruda, Iruvar and Ayutha Ezhuthu. You might think I am mad, but that's all there is.
MR is sometimes overrated. He is also sometimes misunderstood. There is an artist in him that seeks pleasure, more than occasionally, from commerce. Commerce keeps an artists going. If not, he'd probably die a young death.
But one thing that bugged me about Kamal is this: What made him took a long time before he started to direct officially? Why didn't he want that name attached earlier. If not we would not be having this argument. Films like Apoorva Sagotharargal, MMKR, Guna and Mahanadhi, where he was everywhere, are amazing milestones in Tamil cinema. Why didn't want to take helm as a director?
Best director or not. If ever there is an award for best collaborator, it should go to Kamal.
And yeah, I strongly recommend removing Ameer, GM and Bala's name from that list. They haven't earned it yet.
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 01:30 PM [Full View]
hey raam - trendsetter in music - Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
In neither case was he the first. Originally Posted by MADDY
8. Ameer -> probably the first director in Tamil who depended on "sequence of events" than a strong storyline to move a film.......PV, using natural light and natural dubbing -> we cud see the effects
Natural light, natural dubbing-a???
The terms should be available light and live dubbing, respectively
Let's talk something technical here, can we?
Mahanadhi - First to use Avid Editing. You know when Avid became famous even in Hollywood???
In the jail scenes in the night between P.Viswanathan and Kamal, they had used "Day For Night" effect (similar to the one used in Unna Vida song)
Guna - First to use steady cam. Lights pathi pesareengale, Guna caves nu oru matter irukku theriyuma? THAT was a trend-setter. Kanmani Anbodu song??????
Appo Santhana Bharathi should be in the list too (he also directed the trend-setting school romance Panneer Pushpangal along with P.Vasu)
Live Sound - ??? Hey Ram was the first film to use live synch sound. Talking of Hey Ram, it was a trend-setter/breaker in almost every department of film-making.
Casting, Acting, Screen-writing, Music Direction, Cinematography, Art Direction, Editing, Make-up and Sound Editing
Available Light (natural light) - So many movies have been shot mainly with available light. Way back. And you think PV is the first????
Incidentally, FYI, Kamal has been involved in many technological "firsts" in TF industry in the last decade or two.
Definitely, and OBVIOUSLY you can't be serious. I know you are just kidding, right? Originally Posted by MADDY
ex: Mounam pesiyadhe - where was the story and how did he make us sit for 3 hours
Same as above. Originally Posted by MADDY
9. Gautam -> technology, new scripts.......his movies are more slick than the most.......handling complex stories like homsexual-serial killers vs a middle-aged cop.........
ex: watch the karka karka song -> using time-slice method to perfection -> yaaru kenatthu thavalannu theriyala inga............hungary-la orchestra pannitta adhu trend-a??? ippa Yuvar kooda dhaan Hongkong-la Billa compose pannuraaru
neenga sollura athhana point-um serinnae vechhikuvom - can u please go and see who was the director in Guna,Mahanadhi etc etc .......title-la, director yaarunnu kooda paakkaama en kooda sanda poda vanduteega??????
FYI, AE was the first movie to have live dubbing or natural dubbing.............they recorded the dialogues during the shoot itself..... ........but it was more notice-able with Ameer's movies......GM - movies-la irukkara visual gloss/quality beats Hey raam/virumaandi visual quality hands down............talk abt technology now.........
how can u credit Kamal, so sure for all those movies where he was onlya hero (atleast according to the titles)
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From: thilak4life on 14th May 2007 01:31 PM [Full View]
The problem with hub (and hubbers) is:
1) There is no objectivity - Strong bias against few selected members (KH/Ajith/IR fans), this apparently gets into their head in every discourse - now that has rebounded with ever-so-sensed enimity (and hence, the shouts over ARR/MR supporters).
My question is: Why would someone rate/like someone more? Of course, Indians suffer from this age-old phenomenon of elevating 'actors/direcors/celebreties' to demi-God status. Of course, everyone have their reasons for it. But in a land where 'mediocrity' is celebrated and 'real talents' are dissed - some people choose to fight that and give the long overdue credit to the 'deserved' - In the process of it, we are labelled to be 'blind' - the truth is, we have enough facts and logic to support our conviction. People overlook this fact and the facts behind the same - All they say is 'thalai-la thooki vechu aaduringa'. But from this discourse, people would know whose 'beliefs' are flawed and convoluted with preconceived notions !!!
2) Some people(not all) justify a lame point to support their 'cause', which in some cases, are built out of ignorance, hypocrisy and prejudice - rehashing the same polemic that has been addressed and dissected every single time - this makes the thread, both redundant and cyclic. Although it is 'entertaining' for a little while, BUT now that it has become repugnant, it is about time to stop this!
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 01:32 PM [Full View]
wrote my mind Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 01:35 PM [Full View]
The thread says "Best Director" and i would understand that "trend-setting" is one of the qualities a director may posess but Maddy seems to imply that Gautham, Ameer and Bala have "set trends" whereas Kamal has not Originally Posted by groucho070
Yeah, Live recording, Live Dubbing , synch sound - terms used to refer to this... Originally Posted by groucho070
Yes, we can say in the context of the dubbing era. Your reference to 16V is apt. (studio vs real locations etc). Live sound in the dubbing era or the post-studio era Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: joe on 14th May 2007 01:40 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Maddy, Originally Posted by MADDY
wrote my mind
Enna same side goal-a?
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 01:43 PM [Full View]
Ada MAddy Originally Posted by MADDY
hey raam - trendsetter in music - -> yaaru kenatthu thavalannu theriyala inga............hungary-la orchestra pannitta adhu trend-a??? ippa Yuvar kooda dhaan Hongkong-la Billa compose pannuraaru
adhukku peru dhaampa trend-setting. Someone does it, and then someone follows it endha school-la Englis padicheenga?????
Not to say that having an orchestra score from Hungary is not the only trend it set. It was a musical milestone, among other things (composing music for a song already shot)
Originally Posted by Maddy
neenga sollura athhana point-um serinnae vechhikuvom - can u please go and see who was the director in Guna,Mahanadhi etc etc .......title-la, director yaarunnu kooda paakkaama en kooda sanda poda vanduteega??????
Maddy,
Either you are blind, or don't understand English, or both
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
You dont need to keep proving your ignorance Originally Posted by Maddy
FYI, AE was the first movie to have live dubbing or natural dubbing.............they recorded the dialogues during the shoot itself..... ........but it was more notice-able with Ameer's movies......GM - movies-la irukkara visual gloss/quality beats Hey raam/virumaandi visual quality hands down............talk abt technology now.........
Its granted!!
AE eppo vandhudhu? Hey Ram eppo vandhudhu????
And bonus point - Virumaandi ALSO came before PV, so there goes Ameer's "first" out the window
Like i said, i mentioned Santhana Bharathi's name. Unga padhattathula paakka miss pannitteenga pola (kannai katti kolladhey!!!) (though everyone knows who the real director was). Originally Posted by Maddy
how can u credit Kamal, so sure for all those movies where he was onlya hero (atleast according to the titles)
Tension la bayangarama olarreenga Maddy
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 01:44 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Originally Posted by groucho070
Maddy, Originally Posted by MADDY
wrote my mind
Enna same side goal-a?
Maddy is VERY confused now
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 01:48 PM [Full View]
good analysis.....but can u pls check the archives and check who started what??? Originally Posted by thilak4life
............. ARR oru panni, avana support pannura nee oru panni - was the statement which made me stay in HUB (if that hubber had some decency in replying, there wudnt have been a MADDY irritating u all now).........
if and only if ppl. had restarined themselves from commenting on AJith's varalaaru - i wud have never come to TF section at all......
if Maniratnam and Guru had not been dissected the way it was in january - i wouldnt have started this thread............
(i'm completely excluding the "comprehension skills" pokes on me)
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 01:56 PM [Full View]
u certainly remind me of the hospital warden who tries to make revathy mad in "priyanka" Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by joe
Originally Posted by groucho070
Maddy, Originally Posted by MADDY
wrote my mind
Enna same side goal-a?
Maddy is VERY confused now .........
i'm very clear on my stand - (if some people are blind and intent on making personal remarks, i'm not going to answer it again and again)
i'm considering kamal's 3 movies only for this thread......and not all his movies where he acted as hero/heroine and all..........and he has not broke ground with those 3 IMO............idha tolerate panna sakthi illaina, i seriosuly dont have any thing more to say........
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 01:59 PM [Full View]
avaru conlcusion paakkaliya??? Originally Posted by joe
Originally Posted by groucho070
Maddy, Originally Posted by MADDY
wrote my mind
Enna same side goal-a?
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From: Roshan on 14th May 2007 01:59 PM [Full View]
enna Maddy.. "avana niRutha chollu naan niRuthuREn" style-la pEsureenga? Kamal baathippA ? Originally Posted by MADDY
good analysis.....but can u pls check the archives and check who started what??? Originally Posted by thilak4life
............. ARR oru panni, avana support pannura nee oru panni - was the statement which made me stay in HUB (if that hubber had some decency in replying, there wudnt have been a MADDY irritating u all now).........
if and only if ppl. had restarined themselves from commenting on AJith's varalaaru - i wud have never come to TF section at all......
if Maniratnam and Guru had not been dissected the way it was in january - i wouldnt have started this thread............
(i'm completely excluding the "comprehension skills" pokes on me)
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 02:20 PM [Full View]
Maddy, what personal remarks??? Originally Posted by MADDY
i'm considering kamal's 3 movies only for this thread......and not all his movies where he acted as hero/heroine and all..........and he has not broke ground with those 3 IMO............idha tolerate panna sakthi illaina, i seriosuly dont have any thing more to say........
I said Santhana Bharathi and you missed it. What else can i conclude??? Why dont you own up to your mistakes instead of hiding behind accusations????
I am also speaking in your terms only - 3 movies of Kamal. We all are doing that only. Whjy do you have trouble understanding that, seriously?
adhunala dhaan i have mentioned the examples of two movies of Santhana Bharathi, ON YOUR TERMS. (used for G/A/B)
The yardsticks and explanations you have put forth for Ameer/Gautham and Bala are laughable. I have replied to it point by point. You can accept it or refuse it, thats different. And when non-Kamal fans like Nerd, Groucho, Thamizhvanan say they don't deserve to be in the list, its only you who is holding on to it stubbornly and claiming we are out to insult you personally, and we can't 'tolerate' it or whatever. Its an insult to the intelligence, taste and sensibilties of hubbers with even a semblance of cinematic interest and knowledge, to put it mildly.
Its like comparing Sreekanth Deva and A.R Rahman. Well, you can always hide under the cloak of "opinion", in which case it is my opinion to state why i don't agree to it.
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From: shobana_in on 14th May 2007 02:24 PM [Full View]
dint balumahendra and barathiraja give realism with hard hitting climax...do u need films list? Originally Posted by maddy
dint bagyaraj make a movie just with the sequance of events without story at all? Originally Posted by maddy
first live dubbing in pv?come on hey raam had live dubbing
whats complex there?...in homosexual cop and serial killers? Originally Posted by maddy
did the homosexual thing help the script?..they could have been friends....
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 02:35 PM [Full View]
Nice try "escaping" Originally Posted by MADDY
u certainly remind me of the hospital warden who tries to make revathy mad in "priyanka" .........
i'm very clear on my stand - (if some people are blind and intent on making personal remarks, i'm not going to answer it again and again)
.
What is your stand?
Groucho said, mainly -
Kamal is better than MR in direction.
Both are good with their share of negatives/defects
Why didn't Kamal officially add the tag director to his name instead of ghost-directing?
Gautham/Ameer/Bala don't deserve to be in the list.
You said "you wrote my mind"
idhukku enna excuse? Every single point he said contradicts your stated opinion in this thread. Ippadi irukka, confused nu sollama vera yenna solradhu? neengale manasaatchiyoda sollunga
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From: groucho070 on 14th May 2007 02:36 PM [Full View]
Raj, I am a big fan of Kamal. My preferrence goes in this order, NT, Kamal and Rajini. But I never hesitate to voice my opinion, trying my best not to be biased. For example, I still can't watch Hey Ram and hated Pancha Thanthiram initially and think Nammavar would not have been watchable if not for Karan and Nagesh. See? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I hope you are not including me in the 'we' you quote there. My opinion on not putting Ameer, Bala and GM there has nothing to do with comparison to Kamal or MR. I am looking at far more superior directors like KB and Sridhar. Hope I made my stand clear.
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 02:42 PM [Full View]
I know, i've read your posts. I meant non-Kamal fan in the sense you have conveyed. Originally Posted by groucho070
I haven't included you in the list. I(we Kamal fans) speak for myself (ourselves) Originally Posted by groucho070
So don't worry, we aren't imposing our views on you.
That is exactly the point. For you, KB Sridhar maybe superior. For me, Kamal, followed by the bigs BM, M, MR,KB are superior. Either case, Gautham/Ameer/Bala have no place in the list (applying whatever cinematic yardstick which exists) Originally Posted by groucho070
Hope you got MY stand
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 02:46 PM [Full View]
ok, in your opinion - sreekanth deva = GM/Ameer/Bala............fine........i put these guys - bcos, its always, we forgot the "present" lot for "past" glory..........i took them to list, i have myself read comments in HUB - "GM is better than Mani, Ameer is better than BR Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Maddy, what personal remarks??? Originally Posted by MADDY
i'm considering kamal's 3 movies only for this thread......and not all his movies where he acted as hero/heroine and all..........and he has not broke ground with those 3 IMO............idha tolerate panna sakthi illaina, i seriosuly dont have any thing more to say........
I said Santhana Bharathi and you missed it. What else can i conclude??? Why dont you own up to your mistakes instead of hiding behind accusations????
I am also speaking in your terms only - 3 movies of Kamal. We all are doing that only. Whjy do you have trouble understanding that, seriously?
adhunala dhaan i have mentioned the examples of two movies of Santhana Bharathi, ON YOUR TERMS. (used for G/A/B)
The yardsticks and explanations you have put forth for Ameer/Gautham and Bala are laughable. I have replied to it point by point. You can accept it or refuse it, thats different. And when non-Kamal fans like Nerd, Groucho, Thamizhvanan say they don't deserve to be in the list, its only you who is holding on to it stubbornly and claiming we are out to insult you personally, and we can't 'tolerate' it or whatever. Its an insult to the intelligence, taste and sensibilties of hubbers with even a semblance of cinematic interest and knowledge, to put it mildly.
Its like comparing Sreekanth Deva and A.R Rahman. Well, you can always hide under the cloak of "opinion", in which case it is my opinion to state why i don't agree to it. , Bala is the best ever" - so i thot, that viewpoint shyuld also be represented.........and yes, they have voted, but none have posted ...........and i myself, genuinely felt they were the future......i also, viewed them from my criterias, they easily fit........as i always have been maintaining , my criterias mite be inferior too.....
yes, i dint take kamal to be a full time director yet......ask anyone(obviously neutral ppl) they wont consider kamal a full time director yet.............it never crossed my mind - really.........
so theres no question of me considering GM,Ameer,Bala more than Kamal, cos i (and we) havent seen kamal so much yet..........
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 02:49 PM [Full View]
i was lazy to edit groucho,'s comments........he had called kamal a good colloborator - which was my stand....... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Groucho said, mainly -
Kamal is better than MR in direction.
Both are good with their share of negatives/defects
Why didn't Kamal officially add the tag director to his name instead of ghost-directing?
Gautham/Ameer/Bala don't deserve to be in the list.
You said "you wrote my mind"
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From: thamizhvaanan on 14th May 2007 02:54 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by CR
naan kamal fan thaanungannov. If not kamal, I dont see myself supporting any other actor. Unlike groucho, for me kamal first, rest later .
Superb post groucho
Thats the reason I didnt support comparing MR and KH. KH might be a director in his own rights, but should not be compared against full-fledged directors like MR & KB. Originally Posted by groucho
Inorder to evaluvate a director we need to know his pros and cons. Its easier to create a picture perfect classic when you are at your creative best. But since, apart from those 3 movies, KH didn direct other movies officially. So its trivial to ascribe cons of these movies to any particular person. IMO the comparison is unfair coz KH doesn have enuf official samples under his belt to be judged against these Directors.
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 03:13 PM [Full View]
TV/Maddy, Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
My (our) stand has always been this:
a) Kamal directed more than those 3 movies and even Santhana Bharathi et al know it
b) However, let's assume that he didn't.
Assuming that and also assuming '3' is not a big enough sample, we can agree Kamal can't be considered in this thread. Fair enough (as per those assumtions).
However, enga point idhu dhaan: Indha rules apply pannina how come Gautham/Ameer/Bala list la irukka mudiyum????
Kamal = 3 filIms, Ameer = 3 filIms, Bala = 3 filIms, Gautham Menon = 4 filIms. Oww????
This is what we have been saying/asking, in addition to other things.
Ambuttudhaen! Amen. Peace
P.S: Even if Orson Welles hadn't made The Magnificent Ambersons or any of his other (lesser) films which weren't noticed much after the greatest debut "Citizen Kane", i doubt if his stature would have been any less
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From: shobana_in on 14th May 2007 03:19 PM [Full View]
CR summarizes it all.
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From: Roshan on 14th May 2007 03:25 PM [Full View]
ethanaimuRai summarise paNNaalum purrrrrrrrrrrriya mAttEnguthE ivaingaLukku Originally Posted by shobana_in
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 03:27 PM [Full View]
hmmmmm.......but can we consider "chaachi420" in Tamil films section since i was asked not to consider a beautiful "Pallavi-Anupallavi" (MR's 1st film) which makes kamal's number -2 Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
However, enga point idhu dhaan: Indha rules apply pannina how come Gautham/Ameer/Bala list la irukka mudiyum????
Kamal = 3 filIms, Ameer = 3 filIms, Bala = 3 filIms, Gautham Menon = 4 filIms. Oww????
This is what we have been saying/asking, in addition to other things.
Ambuttudhaen! Amen. Peace ........
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From: shobana_in on 14th May 2007 03:31 PM [Full View]
u are not answering abt bala,ameer or gouthams numer of films Originally Posted by MADDY
hmmmmm.......but can we consider "chaachi420" in Tamil films section since i was asked not to consider a beautiful "Pallavi-Anupallavi" (MR's 1st film) which makes kamal's number -2 Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
However, enga point idhu dhaan: Indha rules apply pannina how come Gautham/Ameer/Bala list la irukka mudiyum????
Kamal = 3 filIms, Ameer = 3 filIms, Bala = 3 filIms, Gautham Menon = 4 filIms. Oww????
This is what we have been saying/asking, in addition to other things.
Ambuttudhaen! Amen. Peace ........
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From: thamizhvaanan on 14th May 2007 03:31 PM [Full View]
However, enga point idhu dhaan: Indha rules apply pannina how come Gautham/Ameer/Bala list la irukka mudiyum???? While I said it clearly earlier that I dont support the presence of these 3 ppl, why u are still posing this question to me.
As groucho said,
"My opinion on not putting Ameer, Bala and GM there has nothing to do with comparison to Kamal or MR. I am looking at far more superior directors like KB and Sridhar. Hope I made my stand clear."
Hope you dont question me on this again.
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 03:33 PM [Full View]
We can't Originally Posted by MADDY
hmmmmm.......but can we consider "chaachi420" in Tamil films section since i was asked not to consider a beautiful "Pallavi-Anupallavi" (MR's 1st film) which makes kamal's number -2 ........
K-2
A/B-3
G-4.
[A diff of 1! Wonder what the diff between the others and A/B/G are ]
Nadakkattum
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 03:36 PM [Full View]
they have 3 to their credit...........and kamal has 2......idhula sollla enna irukku...... Originally Posted by shobana_in
u are not answering abt bala,ameer or gouthams numer of films Originally Posted by MADDY
hmmmmm.......but can we consider "chaachi420" in Tamil films section since i was asked not to consider a beautiful "Pallavi-Anupallavi" (MR's 1st film) which makes kamal's number -2 Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
However, enga point idhu dhaan: Indha rules apply pannina how come Gautham/Ameer/Bala list la irukka mudiyum????
Kamal = 3 filIms, Ameer = 3 filIms, Bala = 3 filIms, Gautham Menon = 4 filIms. Oww????
This is what we have been saying/asking, in addition to other things.
Ambuttudhaen! Amen. Peace ........
i have already told y i dint put kamal - it just dint cross my mind that he was a full time director...........TV, a kamal fan, has also said this......couple of guys (thru MSN/phone calls) are telling me this (wonder y they are not posting that) .........thats y he is not in my list............
i've also told MODS to edit poll choice as per requirement....... ........
i'm not against, kamal in the list .....MODS mudinja add pannalaam kamalukku.........
vera enna panna sollureenga??? u want me to apologise??? sorry, i wont
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 03:36 PM [Full View]
ahaaa.... Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
However, enga point idhu dhaan: Indha rules apply pannina how come Gautham/Ameer/Bala list la irukka mudiyum???? While I said it clearly earlier that I dont support the presence of these 3 ppl, why u are still posing this question to me.
As groucho said,
"My opinion on not putting Ameer, Bala and GM there has nothing to do with comparison to Kamal or MR. I am looking at far more superior directors like KB and Sridhar. Hope I made my stand clear."
Hope you dont question me on this again.
I didn't question YOU. Remember, i included your name in my post when i said Nerd/TV/G didn't want Gautham/Ameer/Bala in the list???
I addressed the post to you and Maddy to make my(our) stand clear generally, we are the object of arbit allegations in the hub
adhavadhu, you had explained your stand on why Kamal should not be considered. In that sense i explained what we were saying That is, that sentence/question was in direct speech. Hence it looked like a question to YOU.
Hope i have made myself clear at least now
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From: groucho070 on 14th May 2007 03:39 PM [Full View]
Interesting you brought in Orson Welles, raj.
He is still considered as one of the greatest director. He is like our S. Balachander. Groundbreaking, but not prolific. Not too ambitious.
So, argument will be why S. Balachander is not in? Quantity or quality?
Three of Kamal's oficially directed films, in my book can't hold candle to the top three all the directors above done, except Ameer, GM and Bala.
But take three that Kamal unofficially directed, in my preference, Guna, MMKR, and Mahanadhi, they are on par with the top three directed by the directors, except the A, B and GM.
I bet what I wrote will be misunderstood.
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From: Roshan on 14th May 2007 03:45 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 03:50 PM [Full View]
i kindly request u to make a list of 9 best directors - according to u -and satiate all hubbers tastes/likes/dislikes........ Originally Posted by groucho070
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(only 9 - cos hub doesent let u the 10th option in poll..... .......)
(nalla vela shankar-a podaama irundhaen list-la...........yaen, odambu rana galam aairukkum)
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 03:52 PM [Full View]
I'm perfectly fine with that line of argument, Groucho, though i disagree with your opinion. No misunderstandings here Originally Posted by groucho070
BTW, on Orson Welles, it was ambition which killed his career. Oru kalaignana konnuttaanga
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From: groucho070 on 14th May 2007 03:58 PM [Full View]
Let's see, Originally Posted by MADDY
i kindly request u to make a list of 9 best directors - according to u -and satiate all hubbers tastes/likes/dislikes........ Originally Posted by groucho070
........
(only 9 - cos hub doesent let u the 10th option in poll..... .......)
(nalla vela shankar-a podaama irundhaen list-la...........yaen, odambu rana galam aairukkum)
1. KB
2. Mahendran
3. Sridhar
4. Bandhulu
5. AP. Nagarajan
6. Bhim Singh
7. MR
8. BM
9. BR
There. Sandhoshama Maddy? You are right about Shankar. I personally might contribute to one stab wound.
Raj,
Orson was only 25 years old when he did Citizen Kane. Too young. Did you see Touch Of Evil. The last film he directed. Pure Class. Somehow I tend to overlook it each time I rank my favourites. Welles career is very sad.
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 04:00 PM [Full View]
IMO, Rudraiyyah would figure in the list anyday instead of G/B/A, irrespective of the # of films he directed, but that's just me Originally Posted by groucho070
Well, Maddy, in the strict sense of the (Min 3 films) rule, Kamal can't figure in the list alright. No two ways about it.
That said, its funny that when there's a vast diff between the bottom 3 and top 6 in terms of # of films, a difference of 1 film among the bottom 3 makes such a difference. Little odd
Anyway, moving on, in my book, other directors would be K.Bagiaraj, Singeetham Srinivasa Rao (Rajaparvai/Aboorva/MMKR/Pesum Padam), Santhana Bharathi etc...
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From: crajkumar_be on 14th May 2007 04:02 PM [Full View]
Very sad Originally Posted by groucho070
No Groucho, haven't seen the film. Thanks for the suggestion though, will try to watch it
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From: MADDY on 14th May 2007 04:07 PM [Full View]
asi told u even 1 kamal fan dint feel - kamal was a full time directr.........adhaan........i wont go into other reasons again.......freee-a vidunga..........ur best 9. please, raj..... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
IMO, Rudraiyyah would figure in the list anyday instead of G/B/A, irrespective of the # of films he directed, but that's just me Originally Posted by groucho070
Well, Maddy, in the strict sense of the (Min 3 films) rule, Kamal can't figure in the list alright. No two ways about it.
That said, its funny that when there's a vast diff between the bottom 3 and top 6 in terms of # of films, a difference of 1 film among the bottom 3 makes such a difference. Little odd
Anyway, moving on, in my book, other directors would be K.Bagiaraj, Singeetham Srinivasa Rao (Rajaparvai/Aboorva/MMKR/Pesum Padam), Santhana Bharathi etc... .........
groucho - andha moonu(g/b/a) pera eduthha ivalavu free space kedaikkudha .....ur list was very classy..... .......
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From: thilak4life on 14th May 2007 04:14 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Great Analogy!
CK and The Third Man (TTM) - These two films are universally acclaimed and excessively cited to rate him as one of the best.
Maddy can still do an Ebert, Ebert first reviewed OUATIA to be bad but later revoked his decision to award it 4/4 stars!
If so, 'Hey Ram' is one of the greatest movies (if not the best) which has testified KH's brilliance as much as SB's in 'Anda naal'. Rudraiya for "Aval appidi thaan" should also be among that list. KB for "Varumayin niram sivappu" and "Nizhal nijamaagiradu". Santhana Bharathy/Kamal for "Mahanadhi", SSR/Kamal for "MMKR" and "Pushpak", Mahendran for "Udhiri pookal", BM for "Moondram pirai", BR for "16 Days", Bhagyaraj for "Suvar illada Chithirangal", SPM for "6irul mudhal 60 varai", MR for "Nayagan" - all these films for varied reasons - but end of the day, 'brillaint' in their own ways, be it comedy, social relevance, drama or whateva - High Quality Stuff! Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: lancelot on 14th May 2007 04:46 PM [Full View]
Stanley Kubrick all the way
hehe
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From: shobana_in on 14th May 2007 05:35 PM [Full View]
avaru time slice technologiya use pannara Originally Posted by lancelot
Stanley Kubrick all the way
hehe
maddy...just kidding
got clockwork orange DVD.....my first stanely kubrick movie...
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From: lancelot on 14th May 2007 05:48 PM [Full View]
good one to start with.. Originally Posted by shobana_in
avaru time slice technologiya use pannara Originally Posted by lancelot
Stanley Kubrick all the way
hehe
maddy...just kidding
got clockwork orange DVD.....my first stanely kubrick movie...
hehe
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From: thilak4life on 14th May 2007 07:06 PM [Full View]
Except for Killer's kiss (which was average maybe because it was ST product), I would recommend all his other flicks - Be it Eyes wide shut or Lolita or his other well spoken about films.. Every movie would have something to say or at least to wonder Originally Posted by shobana_in
avaru time slice technologiya use pannara Originally Posted by lancelot
Stanley Kubrick all the way
hehe
maddy...just kidding
got clockwork orange DVD.....my first stanely kubrick movie...
BTW I would put him alongside Akira Kuosawa, Andrei Tarkovsky, Ingmar Bergman, Krzysztof Kieslowski and Alfred Hitchcock
One thing that Kurbick can claim over the other 'greats' - is the mastery over genres from Horror, Sci-Fi, drama, Satirical Comedy, Romance, History (period), War to film-noir.
While a Director like Hitchcock mastered a specific genre but quite versatile at it The master of suspense has enthralled me more than any other filmmaker.
Akira Kurosawa is a master storyteller with extreme craftsmanship - Strikes the balance between art and entertainment. Did I talk about the narrative skill ?
Ingmar bergman has took me down into the backdrop and amazed me with the characterization - Subtle Dramatization avoiding over-the-top contrived maneuvers - the brilliance is so unique and unparalleled
KK strikes at poignancy more than the afore-mentioned greats and takes religious themes and philosophy as the base but works at different layers without melodrama. Decalogue is the best mini-series I've ever lived in, period!
AT is slow and takes his time to freeze the characters/images into the mind. Symbolism, Visual cue picking, (like ST but except that it would be even more nuanced) Should confess that it's 'don't get the point the first time' types which I boil over and revisit from time to time. AT is all that and more - A complete Visual poetry, In short. I would credit him for my interest over other filmmakers and taking 'world cinema' more seriously.
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From: shobana_in on 14th May 2007 07:25 PM [Full View]
THANKS THILAK
Ive watched seven samurai and yojimbo of kurosawa...they are interesting even at this time and age
watched only rear window of alfred hitchcock...more than suspense i liked the subtle humour in that movie.
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From: thilak4life on 14th May 2007 08:29 PM [Full View]
Welcome. Can't resist getting myself into a topic touching about Kubrick Originally Posted by shobana_in
I like Rear window -just testifies AH to be 'the master of suspense'. Not because it had an 'unbelievable' twist or 'mind-blowing' shocker like his other efforts. But the events unfold, engrossing us to be in the very room with Jamie Stewart - was it us on the other side of the binocular, First person perspective at very best. The dialogues - amazing realism - even to this day. Bang on the buck about the 'subtle humour'.
What a 'versatile-thrilling-genius' AH is! He can give us that one speechless twist in Psycho or 'twirl and squirm' with 'Vertigo'. Could give us an adventurous ride in "North by northwest" or pin into the 'drama room suspense' as in 'Rope'.
Hitchcock
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From: ajithfederer on 14th May 2007 09:24 PM [Full View]
Screenplay by kamal :
Kuruthipunal, anbesivam, aalavanthan mahanadhi, apoorva sagotarargal, mmkr, thevar magan, virumaandi and heyram.
Have i missed something in my list?
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From: Movie Cop on 15th May 2007 02:25 AM [Full View]
Maddy - "Hey Ram" was the first movie in Tamil that used "live recording/dubbing" of voice. The vocie was recorded during the shooting/filming phase itself. KH emulated himself again with Virumaandi where he used "live dubbing" techinque. AE was released after Hey Ram & Virumaandi! Originally Posted by MADDY
FYI, AE was the first movie to have live dubbing or natural dubbing.............they recorded the dialogues during the shoot itself.....
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From: Movie Cop on 15th May 2007 02:42 AM [Full View]
Other guys you mentioned like KB, S, MR & BR have directed so many movies - that the chances of a "terrible" movies is inevitable! Originally Posted by Nerd
My point is M has not directed a single TERRIBLE movie so far and thats why I rate him as THE best. S, KB, BM, MR, BR have a lot of TERRIBLE movies and so there
Back to "M" - I like his style of film-mkaing. He is a really cool film-maker who carries his movie in a unhurried pace with a "poetic" touch to it. But the only thing that makes me little reluctant to put him in the "hall of fame" is the # of movies he has under his belt! Hey again that's just me. I'm little curious to think if "M" can make a movie today and see how it pans out! :P
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From: Movie Cop on 15th May 2007 02:58 AM [Full View]
Wow! this thread is running so many pages and has pushed a lot of other threads into the background.
PR, RajKumar, Roshan & Other Kamal Fans,
A KH fan myself, IMHO, it's plain absurd to compare KH with the likes of MR, KB or Sridhar who have directed so many movies with varied themes and genres! Hey Ram was a brilliant movie (no doubt) but still I have LOTS OF SERIOUS CONCERNS about KH's "directorial" abilites which I don't want to dwell into the details at this point. I don't think he is right up there up yet among the likes of other crtically acclaimed/veteran directors. I think Maddy is just right in not including KH in this league!
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 03:41 AM [Full View]
atlast some support Originally Posted by Movie Cop
I think Maddy is just right in not including KH in this league!
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From: Nerd on 15th May 2007 04:24 AM [Full View]
He had a release, last year: saasanam. It was an utter flop as expected and it was not even a wide release. I am going to get the DVD next time I visit India but I heard from my friends that the movie is vintage M Originally Posted by Movie Cop
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 08:49 AM [Full View]
This is what happens when you jump right into the middle of a class. Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Wow! this thread is running so many pages and has pushed a lot of other threads into the background.
PR, RajKumar, Roshan & Other Kamal Fans,
A KH fan myself, IMHO, it's plain absurd to compare KH with the likes of MR, KB or Sridhar who have directed so many movies with varied themes and genres! Hey Ram was a brilliant movie (no doubt) but still I have LOTS OF SERIOUS CONCERNS about KH's "directorial" abilites which I don't want to dwell into the details at this point. I don't think he is right up there up yet among the likes of other crtically acclaimed/veteran directors. I think Maddy is just right in not including KH in this league!
Please read the last few pages again. Our point is not what you think it is.
We may agree/disagree on how good a director is KH, however the main issue yesterday was the absence of KH and the presence of B/G/A (actually it's a number's game involving # of films ).
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From: Srimannarayanan on 15th May 2007 10:19 AM [Full View]
You missed Guna.Magalir Mattum and Nala Damayandhi. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Screenplay by kamal :
Kuruthipunal, anbesivam, aalavanthan mahanadhi, apoorva sagotarargal, mmkr, thevar magan, virumaandi and heyram.
Have i missed something in my list?
And Aboorva sagodhargal screen play was done by Panju Arunachalam.
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 11:23 AM [Full View]
Only story was by Panchu Arunachalam. Screenplay was by Thalaivar Originally Posted by Srimannarayanan
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From: shobana_in on 15th May 2007 11:57 AM [Full View]
and aravaind swamy is my favourite too.searching for the movie....or download....not available Originally Posted by Nerd
He had a release, last year: saasanam. It was an utter flop as expected and it was not even a wide release. I am going to get the DVD next time I visit India but I heard from my friends that the movie is vintage M Originally Posted by Movie Cop
the reason why i like mahendran is he doesnt have any negative or irritating aspects in his movies...
from balachander to maniratnam....i dont like something in their movies.....but in mahendran movies i like everything
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 12:08 PM [Full View]
Very true Originally Posted by shobana_in
and aravaind swamy is my favourite too.searching for the movie....or download....not available Originally Posted by Nerd
He had a release, last year: saasanam. It was an utter flop as expected and it was not even a wide release. I am going to get the DVD next time I visit India but I heard from my friends that the movie is vintage M Originally Posted by Movie Cop
the reason why i like mahendran is he doesnt have any negative or irritating aspects in his movies...
from balachander to maniratnam....i dont like something in their movies.....but in mahendran movies i like everything
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 12:28 PM [Full View]
42 Pages
Yov !! ennayaa pannuneenga !
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From: Roshan on 15th May 2007 12:31 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
42 Pages
Yov !! ennayaa pannuneenga !
Hi Selva
Nalla irukkengaLaa?
moonu naLaa ingE orE ragaLai Selva. padikkiRathA irunthA aarambathula irunthi padinga - at least from the posts made on Satruday. illEnnA ambuttuthen
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 12:35 PM [Full View]
Roshan,
Ippo naLLa irukken Neenga Nalamaa
Just went thru very few pages. (Maddy kooda pakkam pakkamaaa post panni irukkaar Romba intense arguments pola irukku ) Innaikkulla padichi reply pannurathu kastam thaan pola
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 12:36 PM [Full View]
VangO VangO Originally Posted by selvakumar
Roshan,
Ippo naLLa irukken Neenga Nalamaa
Just went thru very few pages. (Maddy kooda pakkam pakkamaaa post panni irukkaar Romba intense arguments pola irukku ) Innaikkulla padichi reply pannurathu kastam thaan pola
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From: Roshan on 15th May 2007 12:43 PM [Full View]
nalam Originally Posted by selvakumar
Roshan,
Ippo naLLa irukken Neenga Nalamaa athenna "ippO" ?
Yeah it would take some time. With your work I dont think you can finish it todayJust went thru very few pages. (Maddy kooda pakkam pakkamaaa post panni irukkaar Romba intense arguments pola irukku ) Innaikkulla padichi reply pannurathu kastam thaan pola
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 12:44 PM [Full View]
ON what basis we have to judge the directors as "best" ?
KH contribution is very high in films like Anbe Sivam etc The director was Sundar C. Shall we all conclude that Sundar C as the best director ?
|||ly Ananthu was a major contributor in KB's works. IF we apply SUNDAR C logic here, then I have to vote for Ananthu KB's films without Ananthu were
So, IF KB can be included in the list, I donno why KH cant be in the list !
Ofcourse, no KH fan here compared him with Sridhar, BR etc (IF I am not wrong)
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From: groucho070 on 15th May 2007 12:54 PM [Full View]
How in hell did it end up discussing Kubrick. Anyway, my favourite Kubrick is Dr. Stangelove...though I admit I am biased cause you have THREE great Peter Sellers in it. He was supposed to do four, but that is a different story.
I have everything of Kubrick except Killers Kiss, Lolita, EWS, and Barry Lyndon. Has anyone seen The Killing. This is the father of heist-go-wrong stories.
And someone said Mahendran did not do a bad movie. I digress. Even Mahendran said, I quote, "athu romba moosamaana padam". He is, of course, referring to Kai Kodukkum Kai. I admit it is bad by Mahendran's standard, but it is definitely better than any other hack directors' efforts.
I have not seen his Oor Panjayattu, but I've not heard any good words about them.
But if only he had made more movies....he'd eat KB and the rest of them alive....
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 01:26 PM [Full View]
Groucho sir, It's the undisputed best in Satical comedy. Originally Posted by groucho070
EXcept KK, the other films are pretty good in their own right. Some believe EWS is underrated and should be among his top5 (how daunting it would be to pick that!!). Barry Lyndon is an extremely different ST film, but still a great one - Cinematography - huge plus while for its length, it's amazing how he manages to indulge us into that period! Lolita - nice comedy which deals with a serious issue - Like any other ST film, it brings out the dark humour out of reality. Peter Sellers - BONUS Originally Posted by Groucho070
YES! I have seen it. I guessed the ending a little bit because of the emphasis over the Suitcase(or bag!..dont remember it) in the climax, I guess the climax was inspired from "Treasure of Sierra Madre". Originally Posted by Groucho070
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 01:27 PM [Full View]
Classic Film Noir Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: groucho070 on 15th May 2007 01:35 PM [Full View]
Inspired Tarantino for sure. Who was also influenced by one of my favourite novelist, Elmore Leonard. I am sure Leonard would have also been infuenced by this movie, judging from many of his heist stories. Originally Posted by thilak4life
One other underrated flick of his is Path of Glory. Douglas is really alive here (as compared to Spartacus where he looked like the whole film was shot during his nap time), and it has strong anti-war message that goes straight to your heart first, before the head.
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 02:16 PM [Full View]
Kubrick used custom made Zeiss lenses that were originally developed by NASA in the Apollo moon-landing program, to shoot the interior shots in available light which was nothing but candle light! Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: groucho070 on 15th May 2007 02:22 PM [Full View]
I saw the clip of that one in one of the documentaries on Kubrick. There is something very eerie about that scene. That man is master of lighting. Even stark harsh lighting can scare us. The interior of the spacecraft in 2001, or the interior of hotel in The Shining. Or, the interior of the training academy in Full Metal Jacket.
Suddenly this thread has become tame.
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 02:29 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: groucho070 on 15th May 2007 02:35 PM [Full View]
Amaampaa.... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by groucho070
There were clashes of swords, splurting of blood, howl of anger, hiss of fits, frothing at the mouth, gauging of eyes, thrusting of daggers, throwing of spears, lighting of cannons, and body parts hurtling amidst the mass of angry warriors.
And then, everyone sits down, have campfire and share their love for Kubrick's film.
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From: joe on 15th May 2007 03:05 PM [Full View]
Illa ..theriyama thaan kekkuren.. Thangar pachan paththi yaarume pesalla ..Ayyayo yaarum adikka varatheengappa..
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 03:06 PM [Full View]
KElvi pattu irukaen. I don't read Fiction, maybe I should !! Originally Posted by groucho070
I rate FMJ to be one of the best Anti-War movies too - Realism redefined in both POG and FMJ. Two very different on the outside but thematically similar/tangential. Originally Posted by groucho070
Amazing B/W night-photography in POG.
Regarding the ending, it was Douglas who insisted on that realistic negative ending, ST wanted a positive ending - Interesting, really
But regarding the crux of it all, 'Selective execution for Cowardice' - - the higher ranked officers of the then French army - Totally merciless Imbeciles!!!
The irony of it all was the ending when the lads once again sing the anthem and the patriotism gets ahead of everything - Thats the way it is for Soldiers, aint it?
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From: seran on 15th May 2007 03:20 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Illa ..theriyama thaan kekkuren.. Thangar pachan paththi yaarume pesalla ..Ayyayo yaarum adikka varatheengappa..
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 03:30 PM [Full View]
FMJ is not an anti-war film at all. The second half's still ambiguous to me and its not my favorite SK film (the 2nd half). Originally Posted by thilak4life
Atleast Born On The Fourth Of July, had more conviction, albeit being inferior to FMJ as a *film*.
Guess it boils down to personal political beliefs.
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 03:58 PM [Full View]
It is. FMJ's training methods will go down in history as the most rigourous and hardcore suckerpunch to American military. Where War required Human resources at expense of humanity and humiliation - Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
FMJ is not an anti-war film at all. The second half's still ambiguous to me and its not my favorite SK film (the 2nd half). Originally Posted by thilak4life
Atleast Born On The Fourth Of July, had more conviction, albeit being inferior to FMJ as a *film*.
Guess it boils down to personal political beliefs.
They loose it before they even set foot on the battlefield - That strikes us hard in the first half.
Spoilers ahead:
The fat guy shooting himself - Now who is the source? The military practice - Similar to POG, where the soldiers are executed due to the practice. And the system which was to fight others and defend themselves brings in a self-destruction - Irony!
While in the second half - The veitnam war showcases how the soldiers loose moral integrity -
Racism (ever so evident during their encounter with the whore and prioritizing who would have her first),
Fear (the Snipper's effect on all of 'em)
Lives lost on either side - While the vietnam girl creates an ever lasting impression and how 'humanity' is lost - Just like how they loose it in 'Training' sessions - Pvt.Joker(not sure about the name) character was zoomed in with his head slightly tilted - Now, This is the epitome of ST's protagonists - The entanglement of 'good and bad' - Now, like his most of the other protagonists, is a flawed character - That sealed it for me. "The born to kill" on his helmet was one of the blatant pointing of 'killing instinct' agendas and propagandas in War.
Human passion for revenge - Joker killing the girl.
Spoilers End.
But like all his other masterpeice, ST made it ambiguous and nuanced requiring more dissection, aS you said it depends on viewer's interpretation. For some reason, I feel every action indirectly speaks against the war.
BOTFOJ - I agree it was more transparent but I feel it shouts out loud for 'sympathy'. - ST took a more objective view. At least IMO.
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 03:58 PM [Full View]
Neenga sonna directors have directed few good films. I don't wanna be rhetorical. But anway, Most of their movies are half-baked and clearly inferior than KH. Calling MR far superior than KH is a sick joke. MR is a great Ad-filmmaker or maybe even the best music video director. Of course, he made few good mainstream movies. BR being better than KH is debatable. Mahendran is decent and I don't rate him high. But I know Nerd rates them high. Is there a written rule that I should like him? I feel KH's movies to be much better. His ventures with Santhana Bharathy and SSR had major contribution of KH's vision. KB is another director whose vision was flawed at times. pretentiousness with metaphors. There are few exceptions. I like Balu mahedra too. The big B's of tamil cinema: KB, BR, BM - they can claim the spot. Others - Not my cup of tea.
Let me reiterate it for one last time: I've admired KH's movies more than any of the aforementioned ones.
Moreover, I think having GM, Ameer, Bala, XYZ, etc and to leave out KH - plain debauchery.selva -> that was a KH fan post.... Originally Posted by selvakumar
..........fine, its his opinion but u shuld know
NOV or Nakkeeran - can u pls clarify on this??? Originally Posted by selvakumar
|||ly Ananthu was a major contributor in KB's works. IF we apply SUNDAR C logic here, then I have to vote for Ananthu KB's films without Ananthu were ...........Ananthu illama KB onnumae illainnu solluraanga .........
selva, u mean to say, we have to base our choices on speculations (KH shuld have done 90% direction in AS, Ananthu mite have done 100% work for KB) than factual evidences - ........achha hai......bahut acha hai......
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From: shobana_in on 15th May 2007 04:01 PM [Full View]
maddy...u are trying to misdirect selva by a single post.
most of the kamal fans here asked abt kamals place in the list when goutham menon or ameer are there.
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 04:04 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by shobana_in
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 04:07 PM [Full View]
selva had posted [b]no KH fan compared him with BR,Sridhar.....sorry, i'm a bit weak in comprehension skills -(yes u can telll me - arivu enga pochhu Originally Posted by shobana_in
), can u tell me what is "no" in this context...... ......ofcourse, he had put a "if i'am not wrong" -> for which my reply was the above post//////
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 04:08 PM [Full View]
As per the logic of this thread, a director need not be a script writer, dialogue writer etc but can remain as a person who just does his job neatly. Originally Posted by MADDY
selva, u mean to say, we have to base our choices on speculations (KH shuld have done 90% direction in AS, Ananthu mite have done 100% work for KB) than factual evidences - ........achha hai......bahut acha hai...... This is the logic applied to KH here I am just applying the same logic.
- I never gave that % calculation. Adhu ungaloda SONTHA THINIPPU !
I just said that, people have to come up with parameters that can define good director. IF song picturisation, screenplay is the only parameter that has to be used (I mean the job DIRECTOR) then things will look weird for many in the list
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 04:12 PM [Full View]
i had put my criterias pretty straight forward........pls go thru them..........also, its a pretty normal thing to overlook KH as a director here amongst full time guys like GM,Ameer,Bala.......as Groucho put it - i can call him the "best colloborator" - not moer than that Originally Posted by selvakumar
As per the logic of this thread, a director need not be a script writer, dialogue writer etc but can remain as a person who just does his job neatly. Originally Posted by MADDY
selva, u mean to say, we have to base our choices on speculations (KH shuld have done 90% direction in AS, Ananthu mite have done 100% work for KB) than factual evidences - ........achha hai......bahut acha hai...... This is the logic applied to KH here I am just applying the same logic.
- I never gave that % calculation. Adhu ungaloda SONTHA THINIPPU !
I just said that, people have to come up with parameters that can define good director. IF song picturisation, screenplay is the only parameter that has to be used (I mean the job DIRECTOR) then things will look weird for many in the list
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 04:13 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
selva had posted [b]no KH fan compared him with BR,Sridhar.....sorry, i'm a bit weak in comprehension skills -(yes u can telll me - arivu enga pochhu ), can u tell me what is "no" in this context...... ......ofcourse, he had put a "if i'am not wrong" -> for which my reply was the above post//////I feel KH's movies to be much better. His ventures with Santhana Bharathy and SSR had major contribution of KH's vision.
KB is another director whose vision was flawed at times. pretentiousness with metaphors. There are few exceptions.
I like Balu mahedra too.
The big B's of tamil cinema: KB, BR, BM - they can claim the spot.
Others - Not my cup of tea.
Just like how you have defined NO in my posts, can u define what this line refers to in ur quote
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 04:14 PM [Full View]
can u pls refer the "sick joke" referrence there??? Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by MADDY
selva had posted [b]no KH fan compared him with BR,Sridhar.....sorry, i'm a bit weak in comprehension skills -(yes u can telll me - arivu enga pochhu ), can u tell me what is "no" in this context...... ......ofcourse, he had put a "if i'am not wrong" -> for which my reply was the above post//////I feel KH's movies to be much better. His ventures with Santhana Bharathy and SSR had major contribution of KH's vision.
KB is another director whose vision was flawed at times. pretentiousness with metaphors. There are few exceptions.
I like Balu mahedra too.
The big B's of tamil cinema: KB, BR, BM - they can claim the spot.
Others - Not my cup of tea.
Just like how you have defined NO in my posts, can u define what this line refers to in ur quote
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 04:16 PM [Full View]
Could you please give me the link ? Originally Posted by MADDY
its a pretty normal thing to overlook KH as a director here amongst full time guys like GM,Ameer,Bala.......as Groucho put it - i can call him the "best colloborator" - not moer than that How many movies GM,Ameer, Bala etc have directed and how much variety they have shown in their films Weren't they repetitive?
Just coz they are full time directors, does that mean they are good and KH cannot be in their list ?
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 04:18 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
I think that post gives enough credit to those Big B's ! Many have diff of opinion on the directors listed here. IF they have avoided few (since they may not like them), does that mean it is "silly" & can be applied in the context in which I asked it !
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 04:22 PM [Full View]
this entire thread, i have kept on explaining y those 3 made it and explained how i'm not against Kamal in the lsit if MODS can get it done..... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Could you please give me the link ? Originally Posted by MADDY
its a pretty normal thing to overlook KH as a director here amongst full time guys like GM,Ameer,Bala.......as Groucho put it - i can call him the "best colloborator" - not moer than that How many movies GM,Ameer, Bala etc have directed and how much variety they have shown in their films Weren't they repetitive?
Just coz they are full time directors, does that mean they are good and KH cannot be in their list ?
its my list selva.....there are many i couldnt include.... ........i thot a PV or a Sethu had more impact on people and me than a hey raam.........i've clearly told, MODS can add anyone they want or people request.......
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From: shobana_in on 15th May 2007 04:23 PM [Full View]
what impact? Originally Posted by MADDY
this entire thread, i have kept on explaining y those 3 made it and explained how i'm not against Kamal in the lsit if MODS can get it done..... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Could you please give me the link ? Originally Posted by MADDY
its a pretty normal thing to overlook KH as a director here amongst full time guys like GM,Ameer,Bala.......as Groucho put it - i can call him the "best colloborator" - not moer than that How many movies GM,Ameer, Bala etc have directed and how much variety they have shown in their films Weren't they repetitive?
Just coz they are full time directors, does that mean they are good and KH cannot be in their list ?
its my list selva.....there are many i couldnt include.... ........i thot a PV or a Sethu had more impact on people and me than a hey raam.........i've clearly told, MODS can add anyone they want or people request.......
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 04:26 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
this entire thread, i have kept on explaining y those 3 made it and explained how i'm not against Kamal in the lsit if MODS can get it done.....
its my list selva.....there are many i couldnt include.... ........i thot a PV or a Sethu had more impact on people and me than a hey raam.........i've clearly told, MODS can add anyone they want or people request.......You have explained it. But I am just asking you why you cannot include him now. ! AFAIK, Virumaandi won the "Best Asian Film" awardits a pretty normal thing to overlook KH as a director here amongst full time guys like GM,Ameer,Bala.......as Groucho put it - i can call him the "best colloborator" - not moer than that
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 04:30 PM [Full View]
i wont be able to...... Originally Posted by selvakumar
......let MODs do it, if u all want......
lets not go into the list of international accolades again.....
shobana, PV and sethu reached ppl. better than Hey raam..............hope u got , wat i'm trying to say....i think lets stop it there
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From: shobana_in on 15th May 2007 04:32 PM [Full View]
then add perarasu....thirupachi reached better than those movies Originally Posted by MADDY
i wont be able to...... Originally Posted by selvakumar
......let MODs do it, if u all want......
lets not go into the list of international accolades again.....
shobana, PV and sethu reached ppl. better than Hey raam..............hope u got , wat i'm trying to say....i think lets stop it there
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 04:33 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
Apram???? sollunga...Inga idha kekka naanga muttA pasanga irukkOm!!!
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From: Thirumaran on 15th May 2007 04:41 PM [Full View]
I could not get what was wrong in MADDY's point. Originally Posted by thilak4life
Originally Posted by MADDY
Apram???? sollunga...Inga idha kekka naanga muttA pasanga irukkOm!!!
Leave hub. Among general people definetly Sethu and PV were more appreciated.
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 04:41 PM [Full View]
The dehumanization angle has been dealt with in a much better way and with greater impact in many other movies. I expect a lot more in a Kubrick film, FMJ was just too shallow. Infact, he has been quoted as saying "FMJ is neither pro-war or anti-war". The objective premise he assumes fails in this movie, IMO Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 04:46 PM [Full View]
I disagree Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
But it looks to have failed considering the mixed response it has got.
Regarding wht Kurbick says. Even AT said Ivan's childhood is one of his worst movies. But I still think, it's among the top 3 from the great man. Ironic, I guess.
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 04:48 PM [Full View]
Chandramukhi reached people better than any other movie, Originally Posted by MADDY
Pokkiri reched people better than PV, Sethu etc..
So?????????????
Idhukku Thiru saar support vera
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 04:51 PM [Full View]
I disagree Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
But it looks to have failed considering the mixed response it has got.
Regarding wht Kurbick said. Even AT thought Ivan's childhood to be the least impressive of his films. But I still think, it's among the top 3 from the great man. Ironic, I guess.
What's your favorite movie on Vietnam war?
FMJ to me, is among the best, bracketed with Platoon, Apocalypse Now and The Deer hunter.
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From: groucho070 on 15th May 2007 04:54 PM [Full View]
Mine, my all time favourite, war movie or not, is Apocalypse Now. Mesmerising movie. The original, not the redux version.
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From: shobana_in on 15th May 2007 04:55 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Chandramukhi reached people better than any other movie, Originally Posted by MADDY
Pokkiri reched people better than PV, Sethu etc..
So?????????????
Idhukku Thiru saar support vera
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From: selvakumar on 15th May 2007 04:56 PM [Full View]
I hate repeating this ! But it was Virumaandi which made me to dislike even PV to a great extent !
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From: crajkumar_be on 15th May 2007 04:58 PM [Full View]
I didn't like AN. Overrated. Originally Posted by thilak4life
I disagree Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
But it looks to have failed considering the mixed response it has got.
Regarding wht Kurbick said. Even AT thought Ivan's childhood to be the least impressive of his films. But I still think, it's among the top 3 from the great man. Ironic, I guess.
What's your favorite movie on Vietnam war?
FMJ to me, is among the best, bracketed with Platoon, Apocalypse Now and The Deer hunter.
Platoon was a typical Stone film
Loved The Deer Hunter but not as a Vietnam war film. (I think this is the best film from your list)
IMO, every Hollywood film made on the Vietnam war is biased towards Uncle Sam (difficult to dissociate the context and view them only as films).
In that sense, for all its excesses, ideology pushes BOTFOJ ahead
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From: Thirumaran on 15th May 2007 05:19 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Idhukku Thiru saar support vera
I am not supporting. First of all, i look it as MADDY's Point of View vs others.
So there is nothing like supporting one's.
Suppose if i had opened poll like this, I might have definitely included KH name. :P The same goes with many other KH fans. As a very big Kamal fans we look at each and every aspect of Kamal and compare it with others and we say he is best in corresponding areas. That is our POV. There may be even 1 or 2 who may say we can include Kamal in the best Lyrics writer as he wrote few songs and are worth enough (Not pointing you are anyone. We can even find such). Of course Kamal is great in many of the fields he entered. There could be other categories also who want Kamal in the list. May not be a KH fan. But admires him.
Now goes with MADDY or some other who is not a fan / admirer of Kamal. He creates a list of Best director. There may be different way they can think in coming to a list. One way. Their mind goes with the popular list of directors they come across from the past till present. For him he may not even think about Kamal as Kamal for him is mainly an actor. Yethukku ippadi ellaam saernthu avarai vaati edukareenga.
If i could have opened a poll like in my list many in the list here would have been there. I could have set a target that at least 5 films one could have directed to come to a conclusion. That is my way of thinking.
When he say Sethu had better reach than Hey Ram, then we bring perarasu's movies Does that mean Tirupatchi = Sethu ?
Here we can see few who says sethu will definetly come in their top 10.
MADDY told now that he has no problem in including Kamal's name. So shall we move further
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From: lancelot on 15th May 2007 05:33 PM [Full View]
to me FMJ, platoon, AN and deer hunter all com in par with each other... amazing movies.... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I didn't like AN. Overrated.
Platoon was a typical Stone film
Loved The Deer Hunter but not as a Vietnam war film. (I think this is the best film from your list)
IMO, every Hollywood film made on the Vietnam war is biased towards Uncle Sam (difficult to dissociate the context and view them only as films).
In that sense, for all its excesses, ideology pushes BOTFOJ ahead
but i do agree that they are kind of biased to uncle sam.. as u say.. hehe...
never the less amazing movies...
an AN is NOT overrated...
btw.. wats BOTFOJ?
hehe
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From: MADDY on 15th May 2007 05:35 PM [Full View]
yenna romba nallavannu sollittaanga paa...... Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Now goes with MADDY or some other who is not a fan / admirer of Kamal. He creates a list of Best director. There may be different way they can think in coming to a list. One way. Their mind goes with the popular list of directors they come across from the past till present. For him he may not even think about Kamal as Kamal for him is mainly an actor. Yethukku ippadi ellaam saernthu avarai vaati edukareenga. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Idhukku Thiru saar support vera
MADDY told now that he has no problem in including Kamal's name. So shall we move further
..........
thanks TM, ...........it really cleared things a lot for my side....
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From: thilak4life on 15th May 2007 10:26 PM [Full View]
None of the films take sides, at least from my view - in fact it deals about War without any maneuvers - if at all they were against someone, it was against their own country and proved that War was the epitome of insult to humanity and comes with a comeuppance of moral decadence. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I didn't like AN. Overrated. Originally Posted by thilak4life
I disagree Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
But it looks to have failed considering the mixed response it has got.
Regarding wht Kurbick said. Even AT thought Ivan's childhood to be the least impressive of his films. But I still think, it's among the top 3 from the great man. Ironic, I guess.
What's your favorite movie on Vietnam war?
FMJ to me, is among the best, bracketed with Platoon, Apocalypse Now and The Deer hunter.
Platoon was a typical Stone film
Loved The Deer Hunter but not as a Vietnam war film. (I think this is the best film from your list)
IMO, every Hollywood film made on the Vietnam war is biased towards Uncle Sam (difficult to dissociate the context and view them only as films).
In that sense, for all its excesses, ideology pushes BOTFOJ ahead
Yeah, The Deer hunter actually doesn't stick its leg into the actual crux of the issue but makes it up with the characters, transforming through the Vietnam war. The whole "Russian Roulette" angle was debatable but that works for the movie as it was shown to 'affect' their lives beyond just 'death'(although there is nothing more permanent than that). How this indirectly affects the whole group back in little town from Streep to Cazale - at least how their cohesion changes post-war when Deniro comes back. The only big worry was: It shows Vietnamese in a bad light - thats the big glitch. But the transformation(which elicits a strong Anti-war lash out) undermines Uncle Sam's cause!
It shows the extremity of Post traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) with Christopher Walken's character(in fact every character undergo a profound change) . PSTD was also the base for OS's BOTFOJ for the important phase of the movie. Scorsese's 'Taxi driver' lays no emphasis on War but it also deals with PTSD of an ex marine - in Forrest Gump, Gary Sinise's character has eminent signs of PTSD. My question is, the movies touch upon "degradation of American soldiers" due to war, they don't justify the cause at any point! How come they are called to be have some bias. Maybe because of 'false portray' of Vietnam people and exaggerations of situations could have been the reason (or) Innuendos ? If there is one thing that BOTFOJ can claim, it is 'crystal clear transparency' but it was way too bogged down instead of dealing it in a subtle way - somehow that prevents it from being a favorite.
I beg to disagree with Platoon, It was not a typical Oliver Stone film like his later efforts which IMO has became more and more pathetic over the years - In fact the whole Vietnam trilogy (haven't seen the last one which deals with Vietnam side of things) doesn't preach or support US in any form. The first one tells them from the whole platoon perspective.
I think 'Apocalypse now' would rank as the best Anti-War movie from Hollyland and whole of celluloid dealing on Vietnam war. It deserves every bit of praise IMO. Coppola's efforts were worth it and the documentary of its making is a classic in its own right. Coming back to AN, No other film has engrossed the viewer down the doomed gutters of War - Right from the title, it was against War in every sense. It's a great character study (With evidence/reports- a style that builds up tension) and The narrative from Sheen heightens the intensity but we always get the feeling of pseudo-realistic artifacts when it seem to vilify 'Kurtz' and Sheen's interaction in the journey- the Trauma of American soldiers is lethal - every character from 'Eccentric but Old' Duvall to young Fishburne (forgot the character names) - portrayed the evils of war - and almost every deterioration it brings about - gut wrenching. The climax signifies the title like no other movie - Hauntingly brilliant. Insane to start with, 'Kurtz' became a question and when it answers - it answers the larger question, war has left a void over stability of men - the movie is a visual haunt fest with exquisite symbolism - All this and not to forget the lines in the movie and hw effective it was - None gets more intense and gut wrenching than The legendary words "Horror..Horrror" - which sums up the context of war!
To summarize, the aforementioned movies are primarily 'Anti-War' and deprecates the home strategies at different levels - With final statement of 'Shooting in the foot' stamped over it.
Looks like, our perception seem to vary to the extreme
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From: kannannn on 16th May 2007 03:42 AM [Full View]
Dhisai maari, thadam maari poitirukku indha thread. chattunnu oru mudivukku vaangappa .. Originally Posted by Nerd
Kubrick pathi ingE enna pEchu
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From: groucho070 on 16th May 2007 09:43 AM [Full View]
Thilak. That was long and deep. I was lost halfway and I had gather up my broken streams of thought and catch up on what you were trying to say.
But you said it well. Shouldn't we discuss this in Kubrick's thread in world cinema. I am surprised that the mods are quiet about us discussing Vellayan iyakkunar in a Tamizh tiraipadam iyakkunar thread.
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From: crajkumar_be on 16th May 2007 10:02 AM [Full View]
Thilak, Originally Posted by Nerd
Kubrick pathi ingE enna pEchu
namma urayaadal-a andha thread-uku kondu poitten
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From: lancelot on 16th May 2007 10:29 AM [Full View]
i am sorry i was the one who started it.... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Thilak, Originally Posted by Nerd
Kubrick pathi ingE enna pEchu
namma urayaadal-a andha thread-uku kondu poitten
hehe
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From: Roshan on 16th May 2007 10:35 AM [Full View]
Lancelot,
How are you?
Long time no see .
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From: lancelot on 16th May 2007 10:42 AM [Full View]
hey Roshan.. am good...
iv been arround.. i com to ARR section everyday... but i dont post anything...
how r u doing... hope u r fine
hehe
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From: Roshan on 16th May 2007 10:45 AM [Full View]
Yeah I am fine .
Good to see you around
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From: groucho070 on 16th May 2007 02:09 PM [Full View]
Eppadi iruntha thread...ippadi ayiduchi.
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From: Roshan on 16th May 2007 02:49 PM [Full View]
Yeah I too am missing the fun Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: MADDY on 16th May 2007 03:00 PM [Full View]
Maniratnam's Guru makes it to cannes
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpa...1648937bb579d5
VB's veyil also makes it to cannes as mentioned earlier....
They will be screened at Tous les cinemas du monde (All the cinemas of the world), an independent section and not a part of the festival's official selection.
(ok, start guys )
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From: groucho070 on 16th May 2007 03:05 PM [Full View]
Okay, Roshan. Let's spice things up. I want to talk about the things I don't like about the directors listed above. As I said earlier, they all have their weaknesses, and I shall discuss the ones I am not so pleased with.
Sridhar
- That he easily gives in to Stardom. I can't believe he did Meenava Nanban and Tudikkum Karanggal.
K.Balachander
- Sometimes the twist and turn goes overboard that we go 'huh'! As much as Apoorva Raganggal is a wonderful movie, the coincidences in that movie makes you wonder if the world is operated by a TV scriptwriter.
Bharathiraja
- His repetitive shots. Annoys me to hell. The way the heroes laugh. He even made NT laugh that way...you know looking up the sky and down, and up and down....
Oh, and the dubbing that he personally did. Including to actor Nizhalgal Ravi who has way more beautiful voice than his.
Mahendran
- I don't know what I dislike about his work. Honest. Okay, he did Kai Kodukkum Kai and allowed Rajini to be Rajini. That's bad.
Maniratnam
- Dialogue delivery. Annoying. Fast, gotta speak fast. Abrupt, too abrupt.
Early movie looks like they did not pay electric bill.
His take on big issues does not impress me. He got nothing to say actually.
Balu Mahendra
- He must have made story about man having affair so many times (Rettai Vaal Kuruvi, Marupadiyum, Sathi Leelavathi).
- Very inconsistent.
The rest of the three, as I said before, does not belong here...not yet anyway.
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From: MADDY on 16th May 2007 03:28 PM [Full View]
ok, follow up to Groucho's post-> my least fav movies of all:
1. Sridhar -> Azhage Unnai Aarathikkirean
2. BR -> Taj Mahal (killed a beautiful album )
3. Mahendran -> Kai kodukkum kai (masala)
4. K.Balachander -> aval oru thodarkathai (irritating pessimism)
5. Maniratnam -> Anjali (athigaprasangithanam)
6. BM -> some prashanth movie -nila pen or something- i dont even remember the title (hayyo hayyo)
7. Bala -> Pithamagan (plain madness)
8. Ameer -> Raam (taking it too far)
9. GM -> PKMC - i havent watched it, just after reading the reviews only
10. Selvaraghavan -> PP (gangster movie with comedians )
11. KamalHassan -> none
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From: crajkumar_be on 16th May 2007 03:33 PM [Full View]
I think it is Vanna Vanna Pookkal. If i'm not wrong, it bagged a national award. Originally Posted by MADDY
indha padam naan paakkale, but all i remember from watching the songs on TV is the heroine Vinodhini wearing the trademark BM dress of Prashanth's shirt with no bottom
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From: Roshan on 16th May 2007 04:08 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I think it is Vanna Vanna Pookkal. If i'm not wrong, it bagged a national award. Originally Posted by MADDY
indha padam naan paakkale, but all i remember from watching the songs on TV is the heroine Vinodhini wearing the trademark BM dress of Prashanth's shirt with no bottom
CR, you havent missed anything by not seeing the movie naan TV-la pArthathA gnaapgam but I dont remember the story exactly. There is a nice KJJ song - iLa nenjE vaa
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From: groucho070 on 16th May 2007 04:15 PM [Full View]
If I am not mistaken, that is Prashant's first film right? Long way and but...
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From: Srimannarayanan on 16th May 2007 04:16 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Roshan
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I think it is Vanna Vanna Pookkal. If i'm not wrong, it bagged a national award. Originally Posted by MADDY
indha padam naan paakkale, but all i remember from watching the songs on TV is the heroine Vinodhini wearing the trademark BM dress of Prashanth's shirt with no bottom
CR, you havent missed anything by not seeing the movie naan TV-la pArthathA gnaapgam but I dont remember the story exactly. There is a nice KJJ song - iLa nenjE vaa
There is one more famous song "Kanamma Kathil oru Kavithai solldai".
And this movie had taken for award And it is nice movie to watch though very slow in many places.
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From: MADDY on 16th May 2007 05:50 PM [Full View]
no groucho, prashanth's first movie was "vaigasi porandachu" - i remember it very well, cos i saw this movie FDFS Originally Posted by groucho070
well, our least favorite mahendran's movie seems to match .........
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From: Amarshiva on 16th May 2007 06:10 PM [Full View]
MGR too a big time director. He has done only 3 movies and all of them were super-duper hit. Nadodi Mannan, Adimai Pen, Ulagum Sutrun Valiban.
In his time BR Bandulu, Neelakandan , TR ramanna, Some ellis dunkan, Vaasan(Old chandralekha director) they are all so famour prior to 60-s.
The list is only for the current generation I guess. If so, you should include Shankar, KSR, Cheran & Selvaragavan.
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From: Roshan on 16th May 2007 06:35 PM [Full View]
Groucho
Good analysis in your own way ( i mean the humor)
Originally Posted by groucho070
But KB has many number of movies under his belt and I think we should have a separate thread for his movies alone. But one thing that usually irritates me in his movies - is the camera angles.
Very true specially him dubbing for NizhalagaL Ravi ( vEtham puthithu). It was kind ofBharathiraja
- His repetitive shots. Annoys me to hell. The way the heroes laugh. He even made NT laugh that way...you know looking up the sky and down, and up and down....
Oh, and the dubbing that he personally did. Including to actor Nizhalgal Ravi who has way more beautiful voice than his.
Kai kodukkum kai is one of my favourite Rajini movies and I still feel Rajini was quite different in many ways from his usual masala stuff. But I am not impressed with M's - Nandu , Azhagiya KannE and Kannukku Mai Ezhuthu much. IR was the only saving grace in all those movies.Mahendran
- I don't know what I dislike about his work. Honest. Okay, he did Kai Kodukkum Kai and allowed Rajini to be Rajini. That's bad.
Maniratnam
- Dialogue delivery. Annoying. Fast, gotta speak fast. Abrupt, too abrupt.
Early movie looks like they did not pay electric bill.
His take on big issues does not impress me. He got nothing to say actually. Nothing I would disagree here, but would like to add the eccentric heroines and their romance, which are mostly repetitive and annoying
mmm true to some extent.Balu Mahendra
- He must have made story about man having affair so many times (Rettai Vaal Kuruvi, Marupadiyum, Sathi Leelavathi).
Very inconsistent.
Bull's EyeThe rest of the three, as I said before, does not belong here...not yet anyway.
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From: raaja_rasigan on 16th May 2007 07:47 PM [Full View]
Then Thangar Bachan also deserves a place in good directors Originally Posted by Amarshiva
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From: nemesis786 on 16th May 2007 07:51 PM [Full View]
For what abusing kuspoo and other actresses? Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Then Thangar Bachan also deserves a place in good directors Originally Posted by Amarshiva
Avaru Mannin Maindhan madiri pesuvaaru aana peru matum unmaiyana pera maathi "THANGAR BACHAN" !
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From: Thirumaran on 16th May 2007 07:53 PM [Full View]
There are few more who could be included. But there is a maximum limit for poll choices and it does not make much sense to include any names now as many votes were already put. Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Then Thangar Bachan also deserves a place in good directors Originally Posted by Amarshiva
But we can discuss the other names in this thread whoever were felt great directors.
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From: nemesis786 on 16th May 2007 07:54 PM [Full View]
AR MURUGADOSS :
He has had great success has directed telugu megastar and now the bollywood superstar aamir
http://nonstopcinema.com/gallery/mai...at_02.jpg.html
Hope he continues his good work by churning out entertainers that have a touch of class to them :P
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From: Thirumaran on 16th May 2007 07:55 PM [Full View]
I think we are not discussing great directors based on their offscreen character Originally Posted by nemesis786
For what abusing kuspoo and other actresses? Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Then Thangar Bachan also deserves a place in good directors Originally Posted by Amarshiva
Avaru Mannin Maindhan madiri pesuvaaru aana peru matum unmaiyana pera maathi "THANGAR BACHAN" ! It is based on the quality/ brilliancy of the movies they direct right
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From: nemesis786 on 16th May 2007 07:56 PM [Full View]
Oh chidambarathilk oru appasamy what a great movie i forgot
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From: thamizhvaanan on 16th May 2007 08:00 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho
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From: thamizhvaanan on 16th May 2007 08:03 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by nemesis786
serious'a pesum podhu comedy panna koodadhu
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From: Thirumaran on 16th May 2007 08:03 PM [Full View]
I just said we have to consider only the the movies they direct(any director). I did not say COA is a great movie Originally Posted by nemesis786
Anyhow let us move further
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From: crajkumar_be on 16th May 2007 08:38 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Roshan
But KB has many number of movies under his belt and I think we should have a separate thread for his movies alone. But one thing that usually irritates me in his movies - is the camera angles.
Moonjikku pakkathula side angle-a camera-va vatchu
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From: nemesis786 on 16th May 2007 08:42 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Originally Posted by nemesis786
serious'a pesum podhu comedy panna koodadhu
ARM is damn good
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From: Roshan on 16th May 2007 09:08 PM [Full View]
adhE adhE Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by Roshan
But KB has many number of movies under his belt and I think we should have a separate thread for his movies alone. But one thing that usually irritates me in his movies - is the camera angles.
Moonjikku pakkathula side angle-a camera-va vatchu
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From: Roshan on 16th May 2007 09:10 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Originally Posted by groucho
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From: Movie Cop on 17th May 2007 01:47 PM [Full View]
Groucho/TV - why don't you guys carry torch light with you next time you guys watch a MR movie? Originally Posted by Roshan
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
Originally Posted by groucho
Fortunately, his recent movie Guru seems to have "oru koodai sunlight" and "oru koodai moonlight" - so we don't need a torch light
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From: swathy on 17th May 2007 01:50 PM [Full View]
I remember AV quoted this for Thiruda Thiruda review. "Pogum podhu marakkama torch light kondu ponga"
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From: Movie Cop on 17th May 2007 01:57 PM [Full View]
Adhu kooda paravaleenga... "Kangalal Kaidhu Sei"-nu oru arumaiyana album from "thalaivar" ARR Originally Posted by MADDY
2. BR -> Taj Mahal (killed a beautiful album ) IMO, that was one among the best musicals from Tamil cinema in recent times... Namma aalu BR ore comedy panithaaru andha padathule ARR could have donated those nice songs free of cost to someone else
Dhanush as a macho gangster "Kokki Kumar"? Originally Posted by MADDY
10. Selvaraghavan -> PP (gangster movie with comedians )
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From: Roshan on 17th May 2007 02:34 PM [Full View]
True Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Adhu kooda paravaleenga... "Kangalal Kaidhu Sei"-nu oru arumaiyana album from "thalaivar" ARR IMO, that was one among the best musicals from Tamil cinema in recent times... Namma aalu BR ore comedy panithaaru andha padathule ARR could have donated those nice songs free of cost to someone else - I saw this movie only recently in indhiya tholaikaatchigaLil... porumaiyA ukkaanthu BR enna solla varrArnu kadaisivarai pArthu mudichEn - but never got an answer. I was like for the song sequence - ethOmmA ethO maathiri. Super paattu - but BR ruined it completely
Originally Posted by MADDY
10. Selvaraghavan -> PP (gangster movie with comedians )
Dhanush as a macho gangster "Kokki Kumar"?
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From: groucho070 on 17th May 2007 02:34 PM [Full View]
I know this is an old f**t talking, but you can see difference antha kaalam and intha kaalam.
It doesn't matter how songs are shot those days, people remember the songs and everyone can relate to them one way or another.
Bad costume. Bad acting (70s). Bad dance, and of course, the stilted stiff camera work never deter us from enjoying those songs.
These days, there filmakers are pressured to shoot the song sequences...sometimes even concentrating on that alone...so much so that the only thing people remember are the song sequences. I mean, the amount of money thrown in to shoot these scenes can be used to run a small Latin American country.
Sigh. How time has changed.
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From: joe on 17th May 2007 02:54 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Roshan on 17th May 2007 03:01 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Specially Shankar movies
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From: thilak4life on 17th May 2007 03:07 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Roshan
Originally Posted by groucho070
Specially Shankar movies
Oora paint adikurada vitutu padatha yeduda dai!
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From: villan007 on 17th May 2007 03:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: nemesis786 on 17th May 2007 08:10 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by villan007
Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: ThalaNass on 17th May 2007 08:23 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by nemesis786
Originally Posted by villan007
Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: Thirumaran on 18th May 2007 11:14 AM [Full View]
A new movie from Shankar's production house is starting from Today.
Name of the movie..
Kalloori
Director Balaji Shakthivel
Expecting and wishing for a great movie like Kaathal
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From: MADDY on 18th May 2007 02:50 PM [Full View]
yes, shankar is doing a great service to TF by having this production house .........
45+ pages and i dont think we discussed a very important name - R.Sundarrajan
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1182564/#director
i'm not getting his complete list - can someone help??? i think his first movie was "Vaidehi kaathirundhaal" .......i remember my father telling me - that his first 5 movies were "superhits"
but my personal fav is "en jeevan padudhu" - very emotional movie with my fav hero Karthik .......romba kashtama irukkum karthik character-a paarka andha paduthala
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From: swathy on 18th May 2007 03:41 PM [Full View]
Mella thirandhadhu kadhavu
Rajathi Raja
Amman Kovil kizhakale
Pls correct me if I am wrong.
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From: seran on 18th May 2007 06:56 PM [Full View]
i think he did the story for varalaru Originally Posted by MADDY
45+ pages and i dont think we discussed a very important name - R.Sundarrajan
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1182564/#director
i'm not getting his complete list - can someone help??? i think his first movie was "Vaidehi kaathirundhaal" .......i remember my father telling me - that his first 5 movies were "superhits"
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From: RajaRam on 18th May 2007 08:50 PM [Full View]
R.sundararajan movies in early 80s
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1.Payanangal mudivadhillai - ran 350 days
2.Naan paadum padal
3.vaithehi kaathi irundhal
I think udhaya geedham also.
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From: Nerd on 18th May 2007 09:45 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Kalloori
Director Balaji Shakthivel
Expecting and wishing for a great movie like Kaathal
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From: selvakumar on 18th May 2007 09:50 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by seran
i think he did the story for varalaru
The CORE of the story belongs to RAvi Chakravarthy (Alahvudeen fame)
The core he developed had only that classical dancer role part. KSR bought it from him for 10 Lakhs and wrote his own script with 3 roles. (Father , 1 villan son, 1 romeo)
For building those flashback scenes & give a final shape to the core, KSR REVIEWED THE PLOT WITH R.SundarRajan & R.S shaped those parts
(AFAIK)
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 04:39 AM [Full View]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fub3T...elated&search=
Kamal about Nayagan and his equation with Maniratnam.... ........ennappa, avaru Mani sir-a engayo thookki vechhirukkaaru
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From: Roshan on 19th May 2007 05:19 AM [Full View]
Kamal-ku eppozhuthum thannadakkam jaasthi Maddy Originally Posted by MADDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fub3Txf_aKM&mode=related&search=
Kamal about Nayagan and his equation with Maniratnam.... ........ennappa, avaru Mani sir-a engayo thookki vechhirukkaaru
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 05:27 AM [Full View]
but i know, kamal doesent appreciate ppl, for sake of appreciating them......his appreciation holds value Originally Posted by Roshan
Kamal-ku eppozhuthum thannadakkam jaasthi Maddy Originally Posted by MADDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fub3Txf_aKM&mode=related&search=
Kamal about Nayagan and his equation with Maniratnam.... ........ennappa, avaru Mani sir-a engayo thookki vechhirukkaaru ..........so, this is something heart-felt, i feel and not just to staisfy mani's followers....
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From: ajaybaskar on 19th May 2007 01:17 PM [Full View]
Is it? Nambavae Mudiyala.. Originally Posted by Roshan
Kamal-ku eppozhuthum thannadakkam jaasthi Maddy Originally Posted by MADDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fub3Txf_aKM&mode=related&search=
Kamal about Nayagan and his equation with Maniratnam.... ........ennappa, avaru Mani sir-a engayo thookki vechhirukkaaru
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From: Hulkster on 19th May 2007 06:54 PM [Full View]
Ajay sir...vambu pennathengo...edit pennidunga pls..
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 07:27 PM [Full View]
can u read the 47 pages before and see the kinda Originally Posted by Hulkster
Ajay sir...vambu pennathengo...edit pennidunga pls.. that Mani and others have got and then advice ajay?
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From: shobana_in on 19th May 2007 07:29 PM [Full View]
so...what do u mean?...kamal has no thanadakkam? Originally Posted by MADDY
can u read the 47 pages before and see the kinda Originally Posted by Hulkster
Ajay sir...vambu pennathengo...edit pennidunga pls.. that Mani and others have got and then advice ajay?
and ajay's post is correct?
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From: Hulkster on 19th May 2007 07:33 PM [Full View]
Athukku postersai sollunga pa..yethakku kamalai sollurenga...he never degrades mani...its just fan opinions...just because 20 people plus do not like mani...avar hopeless aayiduvaara?...even many people in the hub dunt like rajini..athukku aruvaal thookitu kamal pinaadiya poga mudiyum....its all opinions..thats the consoling fact and the opinions can be anything...which is the scarey fact...instead of worrying about what the hub says about mani..just enjoy his film and dunt worry Originally Posted by MADDY
can u read the 47 pages before and see the kinda that Mani and others have got and then advice ajay?
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 07:35 PM [Full View]
IMO, Kamal is a humble person for wat he has achieved....but Ajay neednt share it.......and his reaction is caused by watever has happened in this 48 pages, i belive....... Originally Posted by shobana_in
so...what do u mean?...kamal has no thanadakkam? Originally Posted by MADDY
can u read the 47 pages before and see the kinda Originally Posted by Hulkster
Ajay sir...vambu pennathengo...edit pennidunga pls.. that Mani and others have got and then advice ajay?
and ajay's post is correct?
also, thannadakkam means - he doesent boast abt himself.......if he appreciates someone else - that doesent come under thannadakkam.........he really appreciated Mani there and not out of humility.......
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From: shobana_in on 19th May 2007 07:37 PM [Full View]
read ajay's post properly...he bemocked kamal there Originally Posted by MADDY
IMO, Kamal is a humble person for wat he has achieved....but Ajay neednt share it.......and his reaction is caused by watever has happened in this 48 pages, i belive....... Originally Posted by shobana_in
so...what do u mean?...kamal has no thanadakkam? Originally Posted by MADDY
can u read the 47 pages before and see the kinda Originally Posted by Hulkster
Ajay sir...vambu pennathengo...edit pennidunga pls.. that Mani and others have got and then advice ajay?
and ajay's post is correct?
also, thannadakkam means - he doesent boast abt himself.......if he appreciates someone else - that doesent come under thannadakkam.........he really appreciated Mani there and not out of humility.......
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From: thilak4life on 19th May 2007 07:44 PM [Full View]
Thimuru, don't care about what others say! Please, especially the blind jabbing. Originally Posted by shobana_in
read ajay's post properly...he bemocked kamal there Originally Posted by MADDY
IMO, Kamal is a humble person for wat he has achieved....but Ajay neednt share it.......and his reaction is caused by watever has happened in this 48 pages, i belive....... Originally Posted by shobana_in
so...what do u mean?...kamal has no thanadakkam? Originally Posted by MADDY
can u read the 47 pages before and see the kinda Originally Posted by Hulkster
Ajay sir...vambu pennathengo...edit pennidunga pls.. that Mani and others have got and then advice ajay?
and ajay's post is correct?
also, thannadakkam means - he doesent boast abt himself.......if he appreciates someone else - that doesent come under thannadakkam.........he really appreciated Mani there and not out of humility.......
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 07:45 PM [Full View]
i've clearly told Ajay neednt share my opinion or ur opinion that kamal is humble........and his post must be the outcome of frustration caused in the 48 pages before.......its just my guess......Ajay can answer it better......... Originally Posted by shobana_in
read ajay's post properly...he bemocked kamal there Originally Posted by MADDY
IMO, Kamal is a humble person for wat he has achieved....but Ajay neednt share it.......and his reaction is caused by watever has happened in this 48 pages, i belive....... Originally Posted by shobana_in
so...what do u mean?...kamal has no thanadakkam? Originally Posted by MADDY
can u read the 47 pages before and see the kinda Originally Posted by Hulkster
Ajay sir...vambu pennathengo...edit pennidunga pls.. that Mani and others have got and then advice ajay?
and ajay's post is correct?
also, thannadakkam means - he doesent boast abt himself.......if he appreciates someone else - that doesent come under thannadakkam.........he really appreciated Mani there and not out of humility.......
i told Hulk - 48 pages-la yaarukkum advice pannadha ivaru - dhideernu ajaykku yaen pannurarunnu dhaan..... ......shankar - avan ivan-ae solluraanga .....ponga paa......
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From: thilak4life on 19th May 2007 07:52 PM [Full View]
Maddy,
You can cleverly twist things again. None of us can care less...
None of us questioned Mani's humility, modesty and various other good qualities that he had. We were speaking about his disadvantages as a director. Please don't start your redundant posts targeted at Kamal fans. Or shall I say the supporters. We support the deserved - idhu kootram-nu nenaithaal, nenaithu kolungal..
If there is anything about Mani that I like the most, it is his humility and he is a man of few words.
What I hate was, in Anbudan show - he couldn't even speak half-decent Tamil - as if he forgot it! Other than that, I like Mani the person from what I seen of him. purinjukonga!
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From: Hulkster on 19th May 2007 07:56 PM [Full View]
Intha thread arambikkum bothey eppadi yellam nadukkum nu therinchi thaan vitten pa....but now if he pulls kamal in it will lead to a neverending fight and if a kamal fan gets banned approm prachanai-mosama aayidum..so thats y the precaution.. Originally Posted by MADDY
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i told Hulk - 48 pages-la yaarukkum advice pannadha ivaru - dhideernu ajaykku yaen pannurarunnu dhaan..... ......shankar - avan ivan-ae solluraanga .....ponga paa......
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 08:01 PM [Full View]
seri seri Originally Posted by thilak4life
.............
and did u see that video?? Kamal says mani took tamil cinema to a different level - ........idhu podhumyya .....
reg Mani's tamil - it happens man......if u r primarily around non-tamil speaking people and suddenly u r exposed to tamil "janta" - ur tamil takes a beating .......office-la continous-a hindi-la pesittu, selva(namma hubber dhaan) call pannaaruna, oru 5 mins aagum enakku, thamizh-a boot panna......
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From: thilak4life on 19th May 2007 08:13 PM [Full View]
Podhum.. romba podhum - shows Kamal's humility and how high he values Mani - Even In Anbudan, Mani praised about Kamal - so, ippo yenna adhukku? Originally Posted by MADDY
and did u see that video?? Kamal says mani took tamil cinema to a different level - ........idhu podhumyya .....
I have my own critiquing ability. I accept that Mani made tamil cinema technically brilliant with great aesthetics and acoustics - Sandoshama?
Kamal always has good things to say about everyone. Whether you agree or not!
Regarding hindi, speak for yourself. Hema malini and Esha deol can speak better tamil than Mani from the evidence of that show.
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From: shobana_in on 19th May 2007 08:24 PM [Full View]
can mani speak hindi?
just a doubt
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 08:26 PM [Full View]
i've told "kamal is a humble person, for wat he has achieved" - so theres no question of me disagreeing...... Originally Posted by thilak4life
Podhum.. romba podhum - shows Kamal's humility and how high he values Mani - Even In Anbudan, Mani praised about Kamal - so, ippo yenna adhukku? Originally Posted by MADDY
and did u see that video?? Kamal says mani took tamil cinema to a different level - ........idhu podhumyya .....
I have my own critiquing ability. I accept that Mani made tamil cinema technically brilliant with great aesthetics and acoustics - Sandoshama?
Kamal always has good things to say about everyone. Whether you agree or not!
Regarding hindi, speak for yourself. Hema malini and Esha deol can speak better tamil than Mani from the evidence of that show.
but, if he really felt Mani was a normal guy and just wanted to appreciate for the sake of it , that is out of humility - he wud have told "mani oru nalla director, nayagan oru mile kal tamil cinemavil" nnu simple-a mudichhirupaaru....."maniratnam, thamizh cinema-vayum izhuthhu kondu, than vaazhkayum menpaduthhi kondaar" - its very clear that it was appreciative and not humility there
reg hindi - i'm proud to speak any language that is a part of Indian culture ...
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From: MADDY on 19th May 2007 08:28 PM [Full View]
no he cant.........in Mani;s case it is his English.....his english is amazing......so clear and very neutral accent..... Originally Posted by shobana_in
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From: MuratuKaalai on 19th May 2007 10:11 PM [Full View]
balachander and maniratnam r best
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 11:10 AM [Full View]
Got to disagree with you, Maddy. Originally Posted by MADDY
reg Mani's tamil - it happens man......if u r primarily around non-tamil speaking people and suddenly u r exposed to tamil "janta" - ur tamil takes a beating .......office-la continous-a hindi-la pesittu, selva(namma hubber dhaan) call pannaaruna, oru 5 mins aagum enakku, thamizh-a boot panna......
I am surrounded by non-Tamizhians. Hell, they are not even Indians. When working I speak English mostly, and Malay. But then suddenly when I am required to speak in Tamizh, I speak Tamizh. I think I speak okay Tamizh. I don't speak Tamizh at home (kind of rusty, mixed Malayalam), but I don't have problem switching and talking in Tamizh properly. I try my best not to mix it with English, but sometimes you have no choice.
And lots of Tamizhian here are like that. So, being in India, Mani should not have that problem.
But that is not an issue.
I have not been following this thread. Where are we now?
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From: joe on 21st May 2007 11:17 AM [Full View]
Exactly same with my case also. Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 11:27 AM [Full View]
Same here. When I am at work I hardly speak Thamiz - mostly it is English or Singalam. But at home we do speak ONLY Thamiz ( harldy mix English words).
Coming back to Mani - it was a kind of a shock for me to see his america maapiLLai accent in Abudan program. Is he foreign educated? But I think unlike Maddy said - he is mostly surrounded by very good Thamiz speaking people - starting from his wife Suhasini. I am quite puzzled about his accent
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From: joe on 21st May 2007 11:33 AM [Full View]
Even if he is foreign educated ,it cannot be justified ..Central Minister P.chidambaram is foreign educated,and spend his many years in Delhi ..But when he speaks in Tamil ,My GOD ,what a great accent and vocabulary and almost pure Originally Posted by Roshan
Is he foreign educated?
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From: crajkumar_be on 21st May 2007 11:43 AM [Full View]
I'm with Maddy on this one. Originally Posted by MADDY
but, if he really felt Mani was a normal guy and just wanted to appreciate for the sake of it , that is out of humility - he wud have told "mani oru nalla director, nayagan oru mile kal tamil cinemavil" nnu simple-a mudichhirupaaru....."maniratnam, thamizh cinema-vayum izhuthhu kondu, than vaazhkayum menpaduthhi kondaar" - its very clear that it was appreciative and not humility there
Thilak,
There are two things here:
First, you are right in saying just because your idol says actor/director 'X' is great, as a fan you need not *necessarily* have the same opinion.
However, in this case, IMO Kamal was genuine in his praise and meant it very much. He has talked about Mani in other interviews also. And namma Mani-a evalavu criticize senjaalum he has made a mark in TF history, which i am sure you will accept.
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 11:43 AM [Full View]
Yeah true ! Originally Posted by joe
Even if he is foreign educated ,it cannot be justified ..Central Minister P.chidambaram is foreign educated,and spend his many years in Delhi ..But when he speaks in Tamil ,My GOD ,what a great accent and vocabulary and almost pure Originally Posted by Roshan
Is he foreign educated?
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 11:46 AM [Full View]
Yes I whole heartedly agree !! Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 11:48 AM [Full View]
Yeah. Me too. I may have reservations, but Mani pulled many non-Tamil film fans. Made the North Indian film industry fellers to look up to South (physically impossible, but you know what I mean). Originally Posted by Roshan
Yes I whole heartedly agree !! Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: crajkumar_be on 21st May 2007 11:50 AM [Full View]
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Same here. When I am at work I hardly speak Thamiz - mostly it is English or Singalam. But at home we do speak ONLY Thamiz ( harldy mix English words).
Coming back to Mani - it was a kind of a shock for me to see his america maapiLLai accent in Abudan program. Is he foreign educated? But I think unlike Maddy said - he is mostly surrounded by very good Thamiz speaking people - starting from his wife Suhasini. I am quite puzzled about his accent
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From: joe on 21st May 2007 11:55 AM [Full View]
Illapa..I have heard mani speaking Tamil before in many occasions (Including NT's chevalie function) .It was not bad like the recent one.
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 11:57 AM [Full View]
May be I dont know but that again cannot be an excuse I would say. Mani doesnt seem to know Hindi either. Besides as long as my understanding goes Northies speack their mother tongue with purity without mixing English . As I said earlier he is mostly surrounded by good Thamiz speaking people in the industry and at home. English words mix panni pEsurathukooda paravailla - that america maapiLLai accent is horrible. It sounds funny actually
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From: swathy on 21st May 2007 12:02 PM [Full View]
america maapiLLai accent
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From: thilak4life on 21st May 2007 12:31 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
But namba Maddy sir yedda sonnalum, romba contrived and twisted-a irukku..so avar yeppo pathalum Kamal saar mattum koraichu pesuvaar. Whether he agrees or not, KH is humble in his words!
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From: thilak4life on 21st May 2007 12:33 PM [Full View]
Friends,
I am not saying having that accent was bad. But, I don't like it!
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 01:39 PM [Full View]
Thank you. Originally Posted by groucho070
Got to disagree with you, Maddy. Originally Posted by MADDY
reg Mani's tamil - it happens man......if u r primarily around non-tamil speaking people and suddenly u r exposed to tamil "janta" - ur tamil takes a beating .......office-la continous-a hindi-la pesittu, selva(namma hubber dhaan) call pannaaruna, oru 5 mins aagum enakku, thamizh-a boot panna......
I am surrounded by non-Tamizhians. Hell, they are not even Indians. When working I speak English mostly, and Malay. But then suddenly when I am required to speak in Tamizh, I speak Tamizh. I think I speak okay Tamizh. I don't speak Tamizh at home (kind of rusty, mixed Malayalam), but I don't have problem switching and talking in Tamizh properly. I try my best not to mix it with English, but sometimes you have no choice.
And lots of Tamizhian here are like that. So, being in India, Mani should not have that problem.
But that is not an issue.
I have not been following this thread. Where are we now?
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 01:46 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
1. We have agreed that MR has made a mark in TF history and
2. discussing about his accent
Now you can take us to the next level if you wish to, provided you stick to the topic
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 02:01 PM [Full View]
Solluveenggappaa...yeen sollamaatteengga. When Uncle Groucho is out of town you guys talk about accent and stuff. and when the blur Uncle stumbles back, he is told to stick to topic. Yellam neeramappa Originally Posted by Roshan
Now you can take us to the next level if you wish to, provided you stick to the topic
Okay. To put things back on track.
Let's talk about certain characteristics that the directors introduced and have influenced others. Say it in one word.
Sridhar:
Story.
K.B.
Characters.
MR
Lighting.
Mahendran
Realism.
BM
Cinematography.
BR.
Village.
Note that I never put 'directing' on anyone of them, hehe.
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From: joe on 21st May 2007 02:06 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Solluveenggappaa...yeen sollamaatteengga. When Uncle Groucho is out of town you guys talk about accent and stuff. and when the blur Uncle stumbles back, he is told to stick to topic. Yellam neeramappaMR
Lighting.
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From: NOV on 21st May 2007 02:07 PM [Full View]
No caste references!
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From: crajkumar_be on 21st May 2007 02:10 PM [Full View]
<Dig> Originally Posted by NOV
Sorry, but just to clarify - that wasn't meant in a derogatory tone or sense at all. It was just an observation of a trait, not a complaint or accusation.
Hope the reference is not misunderstood
</Dig>
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 02:38 PM [Full View]
Vida maatteenga pOla Originally Posted by groucho070
What about the dialogues? He introduced short dialogues ( some times single worded ones ) in a meaningful way. To quote one for example - the confrontation scene between Barathi Rajah and Surya in Aytha Ezhuthu
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 02:46 PM [Full View]
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From: MADDY on 21st May 2007 03:01 PM [Full View]
well, one thing, i wud like to tell is - he received National award for "best film on national integration" for Roja in 1993 - clad in "pattu vaeshti and pattu satta"
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 03:12 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
well, one thing, i wud like to tell is - he received National award for "best film on national integration" for Roja in 1993 - clad in "pattu vaeshti and pattu satta"
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 03:32 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Roshan
Vida maatteenga pOla Originally Posted by groucho070
What about the dialogues? He introduced short dialogues ( some times single worded ones ) in a meaningful way. To quote one for example - the confrontation scene between Barathi Rajah and Surya in Aytha Ezhuthu
I agree with you there. My favourite is in Thalabathi.
"Yeen?"
"Devaa".
Two lines bring fantastic weight to that scene and what is to follow. Of course, with matured actors, the lines are well projected. With lesser talents they sound like the actors are having climax of constipation problem.
But dialogue minimalisation was already ventured into by Mahendran. In fact, some powerful scenes do not have dialogues at all.
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From: dsath on 21st May 2007 03:36 PM [Full View]
When Mammoty won his first national best actor award, he got it wearing a simple white veshti and white shirt. Originally Posted by MADDY
thats ok, Roshan .....i've deleted my post, u can edit urs as well...... .....for a moment, i forgot, i was in a public forum...
well, one thing, i wud like to tell is - he received National award for "best film on national integration" for Roja in 1993 - clad in "pattu vaeshti and pattu satta"
Not relevant to this thread but thought should mention it.
About the accent - was it really that bad?
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From: thilak4life on 21st May 2007 03:43 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Originally Posted by Roshan
Vida maatteenga pOla Originally Posted by groucho070
What about the dialogues? He introduced short dialogues ( some times single worded ones ) in a meaningful way. To quote one for example - the confrontation scene between Barathi Rajah and Surya in Aytha Ezhuthu
I agree with you there. My favourite is in Thalabathi.
"Yeen?"
"Devaa".
Two lines bring fantastic weight to that scene and what is to follow. Of course, with matured actors, the lines are well projected. With lesser talents they sound like the actors are having climax of constipation problem.
But dialogue minimalisation was already ventured into by Mahendran. In fact, some powerful scenes do not have dialogues at all.
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From: thilak4life on 21st May 2007 03:45 PM [Full View]
And mahendran's characters will not be stereotypes!
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 03:47 PM [Full View]
Yeah. One of a kind, that you don't see repeatedly. Consider Vidhyasagar in Johnny. Very unique.
Hey Thilak. Explain your Avatar.
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From: thilak4life on 21st May 2007 04:09 PM [Full View]
Groucho,
I know you know
For others,
From "The Godfather part II" sets - Pacino (Michael Corleone) standing and Deniro sitting (Don Vito Corleone).
Avatar's significance : Deniro-Pacino joining back after "Heat".
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 04:12 PM [Full View]
When the heck did they do that still, bro? Never seen it. I have a book on making off, but it was not in it. Where'd you get it?
As for joining back...they are gonna be together a lot it seems. And it is an indie production, so I gather it's the script that brought them together (apart from both whining about wanting to work together a lot).
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From: thilak4life on 21st May 2007 04:19 PM [Full View]
Groucho,
Got it from wikipedia.
Originally Posted by Groucho
I would like to see more intense scenes than in Heat !
I personally loved "Wag the dog" for Hoffman-Deniro scenes!
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 04:23 PM [Full View]
YES !!! Something very similar to the America Mapillai( sorry I have no other example other than this) - who proposes Shalini in AlaypAyuthE - during the peN paarkkum padalam of Swarnamalya. Originally Posted by dsath
Thilak and Groucho,
I agree. But MR had a different style but ofcourse Mahendran's was not stereo typed as Thilak says.
Groucho;
In Thalapathy you get many dialogues like 'yEn? Deva.. and it fitted the characters and story well. One scene I remember where the ball headed villain ( unable to recollect his name) - would request Rajini to join his group and Rajini would refuse. After some exchange of words finally the villain will tap on Rajini's shoulder and say 'nallA iru' . It simply gives the audience the intended meaning very clearly.
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 04:31 PM [Full View]
Thilak,
Wag The Dog is a rarity. Hoffman and De Niro already worked in Sleepers. But here they are together all the time, and play each other off very well. De Niro's calmness and Hoffman's agressiveness. Let's see what the Pacino and De Niro whip up this time. Their scenes in Heat may be few, but bloody powerful.
Roshan,
The bald guy is Amrish Puri. One thing I am not comfortable about some of Mani's film (and sometimes Kamal) is hiring of actors who can't use their own voice. Sometimes dubbing is bad. As with Amrish's in Thalabathi.
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From: MADDY on 21st May 2007 04:38 PM [Full View]
thats y Bharathiraja uses his own voice for such people Originally Posted by groucho070
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its no secret that Mani was inspired by mahendran's style of dialogues - but it was further intensified in mani's movies........who can beat Nayagan's "naa adichha, nee sethhuruva" ??? .....
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From: dsath on 21st May 2007 04:41 PM [Full View]
Oh i see. Hmm that's a bit sad. Originally Posted by Roshan
YES !!! Something very similar to the America Mapillai( sorry I have no other example other than this) - who proposes Shalini in AlaypAyuthE - during the peN paarkkum padalam of Swarnamalya. Originally Posted by dsath
Regarding his short dialogues, it was ok till it was fresh and new. But now, i find it repetitive and boring.
MR gives me an impression that Godfather is like a Bible for him. Is it just me or is there someone out there who feels like that.
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From: groucho070 on 21st May 2007 04:41 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
thats y Bharathiraja uses his own voice for such people Originally Posted by groucho070
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its no secret that Mani was inspired by mahendran's style of dialogues - but it was further intensified in mani's movies........who can beat Nayagan's "naa adichha, nee sethhuruva" ??? .....
Definitely. Mani picked up the best of Tamil, including Mahendran's sense of realism and minimalist approach, and took most of Coppola (look at Thilak's Avatar and think of Guru's Stills) and a few others. Good mix, inconsistent, but good.
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From: MADDY on 21st May 2007 04:50 PM [Full View]
then watch Guru - it has good lengthy dialogues...... Originally Posted by dsath
Groucho - apart from Mahendran, i dont think Mani had influence of anyone else from tamil.......maybe sridhar for technology....thats it......i dint see any coppola (enna peru idhu ) in mouna raagam, Bombay,KM,AP,Dil se .......
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From: Roshan on 21st May 2007 05:20 PM [Full View]
True at least in Mouna Raagam and Kannathil Muthamittaal (two of my most favourites of MR's) Originally Posted by MADDY
i dint see any coppola (enna peru idhu ) in mouna raagam, Bombay,KM,AP,Dil se .......
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 10:39 AM [Full View]
Just testing my new avatar :P
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From: c4ramesh on 22nd May 2007 10:43 AM [Full View]
Yaar pa adhu??? Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 10:50 AM [Full View]
avaru dhAnpA director J. Mahendran
This is his filmography:
Mullum mallarum (1978)
Udhiri Pookal (1979)
Pootatha Pootukkal (1980)
Johnny (1981)
Nenjathai Killathe (1982)
Nandu (1981)
Metti (1982)
Azhagiya Kanney (1982)
Kai Kodukkam Kai (1984)
Kannukku Mai Ezhuthu (1986)
Oor Panjayathu (1992)
Sasanam (2005)
Out of the 12 movies I have seen 8. I doubt if someone else in this hub has seen 8 or more
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From: c4ramesh on 22nd May 2007 11:08 AM [Full View]
Out of these 12 movies I can recognize only one name, Johnny, and of course I have seen the movie... for the other movies, I can't even recognize the names. Originally Posted by Nerd
avaru dhAnpA director J. Mahendran
This is his filmography:
Mullum mallarum (1978)
Udhiri Pookal (1979)
Pootatha Pootukkal (1980)
Johnny (1981)
Nenjathai Killathe (1982)
Nandu (1981)
Metti (1982)
Azhagiya Kanney (1982)
Kai Kodukkam Kai (1984)
Kannukku Mai Ezhuthu (1986)
Oor Panjayathu (1992)
Sasanam (2005)
Out of the 12 movies I have seen 8. I doubt if someone else in this hub has seen 8 or more
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From: joe on 22nd May 2007 11:10 AM [Full View]
Not even Mullum malarum ,Uthiri Pookal Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Out of these 12 movies I can recognize only one name, Johnny, and of course I have seen the movie... for the other movies, I can't even recognize the names.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 22nd May 2007 11:11 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nerd
avaru dhAnpA director J. Mahendran
This is his filmography:
Mullum mallarum (1978)
Udhiri Pookal (1979)
Pootatha Pootukkal (1980)
Johnny (1981)
Nenjathai Killathe (1982)
Nandu (1981)
Metti (1982)
Azhagiya Kanney (1982)
Kai Kodukkam Kai (1984)
Kannukku Mai Ezhuthu (1986)
Oor Panjayathu (1992) yaar nadichadhu?
Sasanam (2005)
Out of the 12 movies I have seen 8. I doubt if someone else in this hub has seen 8 or more
I have seen 7 oor panjayathu yaar nadichadhu?
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From: Thirumaran on 22nd May 2007 11:11 AM [Full View]
at least mullum malarum and Kai Kodukkum kai Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Out of these 12 movies I can recognize only one name, Johnny, and of course I have seen the movie... for the other movies, I can't even recognize the names.
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From: joe on 22nd May 2007 11:12 AM [Full View]
I have seen 8/12
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 11:13 AM [Full View]
Except Johnny and NK, none of the other movies are telecasted in TV. Not even MM, UP
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 22nd May 2007 11:14 AM [Full View]
Nerd,
Nandu potrukaanga Doordharshan-la..Heroine is a cancer patient..Konjam konjam gyabhagam irruku
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From: Thirumaran on 22nd May 2007 11:16 AM [Full View]
Nerd, Originally Posted by Nerd
Except Johnny and NK, none of the other movies are telecasted in TV. Not even MM, UP
I had seen MM and UP in Doordharsan only long back.
Private channels i think they had not shown
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From: c4ramesh on 22nd May 2007 11:16 AM [Full View]
I might have seen the films but I don't recognize the names... I don't remember the names of old movies.... Originally Posted by joe
Not even Mullum malarum ,Uthiri Pookal Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Out of these 12 movies I can recognize only one name, Johnny, and of course I have seen the movie... for the other movies, I can't even recognize the names.
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 11:18 AM [Full View]
I dont know anything about oor panjayathu
This is how I will order them:
1. UP
2. MM
3. J
4. NK
5. Metti
6. KKK
7. Nandu
8. K M E
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 11:19 AM [Full View]
Even I saw UP in DD. Jhonny, KKK -- sun network, NK -- Raj network. Others DVD/VCD.
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From: Thirumaran on 22nd May 2007 11:23 AM [Full View]
Nothing to worry. Remakes are coming for your convenience Originally Posted by c4ramesh
I might have seen the films but I don't recognize the names... I don't remember the names of old movies....
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From: c4ramesh on 22nd May 2007 11:28 AM [Full View]
Well, I have seen billa 8 times..... Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Nothing to worry. Remakes are coming for your convenience Originally Posted by c4ramesh
I might have seen the films but I don't recognize the names... I don't remember the names of old movies....
And are any of these [12 films Nerd mentioned] films going to be remade?
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 22nd May 2007 11:30 AM [Full View]
avar padam remake panninalaam odadhu ... !! makkal-ku porumai ellam poiduchu...
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From: Thirumaran on 22nd May 2007 11:33 AM [Full View]
Not now definitely. Except for MM and Johny no other movies would be taken for remake with current trend i believe. Originally Posted by c4ramesh
And are any of these [12 films Nerd mentioned] films going to be remade?
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 11:35 AM [Full View]
Yeh except Johnny none can be remade to suit the current audience. Of course Johnny needs a director of Mahendran's caliber and Rajini's charm to bring life to it :P
avaru padangaL appOvE mostly flops/average dhAn
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From: c4ramesh on 22nd May 2007 11:38 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Nerd
Yeh except Johnny none can be remade to suit the current audience. Of course Johnny needs a director of Mahendran's caliber and Rajini's charm to bring life to it :P
avaru padangaL appOvE mostly flops/average dhAn
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From: shobana_in on 22nd May 2007 12:24 PM [Full View]
sridevi's charm,ilayaraja touch etc Originally Posted by Nerd
Yeh except Johnny none can be remade to suit the current audience. Of course Johnny needs a director of Mahendran's caliber and Rajini's charm to bring life to it :P
avaru padangaL appOvE mostly flops/average dhAn
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From: groucho070 on 22nd May 2007 03:11 PM [Full View]
All in all, better stay out of making these two classics. No current crop of talents can get to that level of performance. No offence meant for fans of current talents, me included. Originally Posted by shobana_in
sridevi's charm,ilayaraja touch etc Originally Posted by Nerd
Yeh except Johnny none can be remade to suit the current audience. Of course Johnny needs a director of Mahendran's caliber and Rajini's charm to bring life to it :P
avaru padangaL appOvE mostly flops/average dhAn
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From: MADDY on 22nd May 2007 05:28 PM [Full View]
Johnny can be remade with Gautam-Madhavan-Harris combo Originally Posted by groucho070
.........not that, i think Gautam is equal to Mahendran but to be frank, Johnny script is not earth shattering or a story which jumped into our laps from the sky - it was a normal,ordinary script with a unique treatment - so i'm sure GM and maddy combo can recreate that magic........no offense meant for fans of old times.....
btw, i heard from my dad that even Johnny was a "average grosser" those days....
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From: groucho070 on 22nd May 2007 05:47 PM [Full View]
Maddy,
What makes Johnny good?
First and foremost, it's the music. You can't recreate that.
Then, the performance. Rajini, Sri Devi, Rajini, Deepa.
There is no real bad guy there, unless you include Vidyasaagar character. He is a man living in his own peaceful life, until this girl comes and shatters it.
And there is Sri Devi's character, who also lives in her own music-filled world, until this man comes and rocks it.
Two disturbed characters, both in love, one possessively so that single incident changes his life and the other couple's life.
It could have been a normal mistaken identity, criminal and good guy on the run movie. But Mahendran gave it an adult touch. He made the love scenes look mature.
Check out the scene where Rajini and Sri Devi discusses their feeling, misunderstands, and corrects each other. Wondefully written, shot and performed.
And how would you want to bring all that in present context?
GM? Feggedaboutit. He was almost there in VV, but VVs heroin is poorly written. You might ask her whether she wants chocolate flavoured icecream or vanilla, and she's take about two and a half weeks to decide.
No, GM flunks in writing and characterisation. Not original.
Madhavan? Hey, you put his name just to pull me in, ain't ya? All I can say if you have to have a remake of performance-oriented films of Rajini and Kamal, IF YOU HAVE TO, than Madhavan, FOR ME, is the right person. I am looking at Manmatha Leelai, Johnny, Mullum Malarum, Tappu Thalanggal, Varumaiyin Neram Sigappu. You understand what I am trying to say.
But from director's capacity, GM ain't got the stuff. Nobody else. Nobody yet, anyway. We shall see.
Please no Harris. I have issues with Harris. Never Harris. Please no!
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From: seran on 22nd May 2007 06:04 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: crajkumar_be on 22nd May 2007 06:05 PM [Full View]
Exactly! Originally Posted by groucho070
Love scene(s) - Mahendran/Rajini/Sri Devi and above all, Ilaiyaraaja
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From: shobana_in on 22nd May 2007 06:14 PM [Full View]
madhavan? Originally Posted by MADDY
Johnny can be remade with Gautam-Madhavan-Harris combo Originally Posted by groucho070
.........not that, i think Gautam is equal to Mahendran but to be frank, Johnny script is not earth shattering or a story which jumped into our laps from the sky - it was a normal,ordinary script with a unique treatment - so i'm sure GM and maddy combo can recreate that magic........no offense meant for fans of old times.....
btw, i heard from my dad that even Johnny was a "average grosser" those days....
the script needs stylish performance...
harris in place of ilayaraja?
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From: A.ANAND on 22nd May 2007 06:18 PM [Full View]
gautham direct panna harris thane music!!!athathan sollararu pola!!
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From: Roshan on 22nd May 2007 06:24 PM [Full View]
Sorry groucho - I have to disagree with you here. First of all it's not correct to bring the heroin role here to make a comparison of Johny as this particular role in VV has nothing to do with it and it's a completely different character all in all. GM handled the whole sequence of this role very well and made it acceptable to the audience . It was like walking on a tight rope . A woman with a 9 months old daughter - who is on the verge of a divorce after a 2 years of disasterous married life - cannot decide on a second life with a man whome she barely knows and who is considerably older than her - just like chosing between a Vanilla and Chocolate ice cream. namma oorula kalyAna vaazkaiyila pirachina vanthA - orEyadiyA ellArum poNNathaan kuthtam solluvanga - athula vERa - divorce vaangurathukku munnaadi innoruthara kattikka sammatham sonnA - periya theiva kutham maathiri Ayidum. Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: MADDY on 22nd May 2007 06:24 PM [Full View]
well, groucho, i really felt Johnny was a half hearted effort at double-action saga........like what was the need to put 2 rajini characters??? was it to contrast something???? at a point of time they both become "dull" - which really makes the movie drag.......yes sridevi's characterization was awesome - a great singer, a famous celeb but a naive lover....superb.......but aprt from that - surli-telugu man's comedies, climax - raining heavily,no electricity, still sridevi singing for rajini alone on mike, and not to forget the aaal maaraattam that the baddie rajini does to fool police...........i now, feel theres no need for this movie to be remade .......well welll, i better stop here b4 someone bangs the daylight out of me.....
Madhavn - yes - even i feel, he is the only actor in the current lot who can carry forward the legacy of kamal-Rajini......maybe surya too......but sadly both these dont have mass support that rajini-kamal enjoyed........
Gautam - dunno y, i have lots of hopes on this "rajeev menon's" assistant.......
Harris-ukku enna korachhal?? ......appadiye irundhalum avaru ARR kitta patch download panni upgrade aaiduvaaru.... ...
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From: seran on 22nd May 2007 06:33 PM [Full View]
harris trying to recreate the ilayaraja classic than korachal Originally Posted by MADDY
Harris-ukku enna korachhal?? ......appadiye irundhalum avaru ARR kitta patch download panni upgrade aaiduvaaru.... ...
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From: Pras on 22nd May 2007 06:35 PM [Full View]
and gautham is equal to mahendran Originally Posted by shobana_in
madhavan? Originally Posted by MADDY
Johnny can be remade with Gautam-Madhavan-Harris combo Originally Posted by groucho070
.........not that, i think Gautam is equal to Mahendran but to be frank, Johnny script is not earth shattering or a story which jumped into our laps from the sky - it was a normal,ordinary script with a unique treatment - so i'm sure GM and maddy combo can recreate that magic........no offense meant for fans of old times.....
btw, i heard from my dad that even Johnny was a "average grosser" those days....
the script needs stylish performance...
harris in place of ilayaraja?
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From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd May 2007 06:37 PM [Full View]
Maddy,
I have to disagree with you. If the movie drags under Mahendran's direction, then I can't even imagine how Gowtham Menon will handle it. He is the most overrated director IMO.
And Harris, he doesn't know how to compliment scenes with BGM. That too for a film in which IR made a mark, nooo way.
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From: MADDY on 22nd May 2007 06:38 PM [Full View]
seran, harris can give music on "best effort" basis..... ........adhukku apparamum nalla varalenna - cant help it......i dont want to mention U1 cos he has already lifted a lot of Johnny BGMs for 7GRC.......... .....ask any true IR fan, they will accept this....
thimuru, watch blind man's character in rendu.....maddy wud have done a rajinikanth in that .....i know rendu is a big junk, but this character was amazing....
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From: villan007 on 22nd May 2007 06:38 PM [Full View]
Harris is musical god... avaru entha magic-ium recreate seivar
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From: shobana_in on 22nd May 2007 06:39 PM [Full View]
look.....johnny is not an art film..its a classic entertainer. Originally Posted by MADDY
well, groucho, i really felt Johnny was a half hearted effort at double-action saga........like what was the need to put 2 rajini characters??? was it to contrast something???? at a point of time they both become "dull" - which really makes the movie drag.......yes sridevi's characterization was awesome - a great singer, a famous celeb but a naive lover....superb.......but aprt from that - surli-telugu man's comedies, climax - raining heavily,no electricity, still sridevi singing for rajini alone on mike, and not to forget the aaal maaraattam that the baddie rajini does to fool police...........i now, feel theres no need for this movie to be remade .......well welll, i better stop here b4 someone bangs the daylight out of me.....
Madhavn - yes - even i feel, he is the only actor in the current lot who can carry forward the legacy of kamal-Rajini......maybe surya too......but sadly both these dont have mass support that rajini-kamal enjoyed........
Gautam - dunno y, i have lots of hopes on this "rajeev menon's" assistant.......
Harris-ukku enna korachhal?? ......appadiye irundhalum avaru ARR kitta patch download panni upgrade aaiduvaaru.... ...
the movie had great romance,music and acting...that doesnt mean it must be perfectr in storyline
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From: MADDY on 22nd May 2007 06:41 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Pras
and gautham is equal to mahendran - not that i think gautam is equal to Mahendran === i dont think gautam is equal to mahendran.........read the lines carefully b4 making fun
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From: shobana_in on 22nd May 2007 06:41 PM [Full View]
Ive watched madhavan in many movies...and Ill tell u noone can replace rajni in certain movies... Originally Posted by MADDY
seran, harris can give music on "best effort" basis..... ........adhukku apparamum nalla varalenna - cant help it......i dont want to mention U1 cos he has already lifted a lot of Johnny BGMs for 7GRC.......... .....ask any true IR fan, they will accept this....
thimuru, watch blind man's character in rendu.....maddy wud have done a rajinikanth in that .....i know rendu is a big junk, but this character was amazing....
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From: shobana_in on 22nd May 2007 06:42 PM [Full View]
why goutham? Originally Posted by MADDY
Originally Posted by Pras
and gautham is equal to mahendran - not that i think gautam is equal to Mahendran === i dont think gautam is equal to mahendran.........read the lines carefully b4 making fun
mahendran and goutham are different in teir filmmaking style
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From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd May 2007 06:43 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by villan007
Harris is musical god... avaru entha magic-ium recreate seivar
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From: Hulkster on 22nd May 2007 06:45 PM [Full View]
Personally i feel ARR would do a good job to johnny...and as for director the only one whom i know can remake johnny is mahendran himself
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From: shobana_in on 22nd May 2007 06:46 PM [Full View]
yeah Originally Posted by Hulkster
Personally i feel ARR would do a good job to johnny...and as for director the only one whom i know can remake johnny is mahendran himself
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From: seran on 22nd May 2007 06:50 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by shobana_in
yeah Originally Posted by Hulkster
Personally i feel ARR would do a good job to johnny...and as for director the only one whom i know can remake johnny is mahendran himself
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From: MADDY on 22nd May 2007 07:01 PM [Full View]
thimuru, when i say the same things "for" maniratnam movies, then y do people bang the hell out of me??? Originally Posted by shobana_in
..........oh, i think we are judging the 2 on diff scales based on our biases
i prefer gautam cos i like him - simple .........he did the romance-action sequences simultaneously in KK pretty well.... ......Madhavan - KK shuld have been done by Maddy and harris cos GM is most comfortable with him only.....he wont go to ARR, for sure.....so, thats y this combo
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 08:08 PM [Full View]
itha pOyi VV/KK romance-Oda compare panRaaru maddy. En avatarkkE izhukku. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Exactly! Originally Posted by groucho070
maaya unakku enna vENum
kEtta mature romance-Am. deii Johnny, Mahanadhi 2nd half reNdayum 1000 dhadava paarudA veNNa
UP, MM maadhiri vENdAm, J maadhiri oru screenplay ezhudha sollunga pAppOm ippO irukkuRa directors-a
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From: selvakumar on 22nd May 2007 08:20 PM [Full View]
Indha statement Gautham-ukkaa illa MADDY kkaa Originally Posted by Nerd
itha pOyi VV/KK romance-Oda compare panRaaru maddy. En avatarkkE izhukku.
maaya unakku enna vENum
kEtta mature romance-Am. deii Johnny, Mahanadhi 2nd half reNdayum 1000 dhadava paarudA veNNa
UP, MM maadhiri vENdAm, J maadhiri oru screenplay ezhudha sollunga pAppOm ippO irukkuRa directors-a
I agree with Maddy on Johnny except few of his points. (As u know), I won't rate Johnny as one of the best performances of rajini. But at the sametime, I don't think GM can do that
HJ
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From: MADDY on 22nd May 2007 08:23 PM [Full View]
relax nerd........i place mahendran above maniratnam ......speaks volumes abt my respect for him..........they asked who can do a Johnny remake now and i told GM-Madhavan-Harris --> idhu thappa?? ........
if they had asked for UP or Mullum malarum remake - i would have told "none" can do it but johnny, i felt was a bit on the lower side of sensitivity - so i felt GM can handle it.........theres no question of comparison here....
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From: crajkumar_be on 22nd May 2007 08:25 PM [Full View]
Johny remake pathi pesumbodhu edhukku matha MD?
Yenpa Ilaiyaraaja vu ku forced retirment vangi kudukkareenga?
The maestro can recreate His magic
Trust the 62 year young "Ilayaan" to surprise us yet again
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From: MADDY on 22nd May 2007 08:27 PM [Full View]
vera yaara solluvaanga - yenna thaan.........yenna thitturadhudhaan HUB-la regular aacchhe...........yenna thittinaadhan kaetka aalu illa Originally Posted by selvakumar
Indha statement Gautham-ukkaa illa MADDY kkaa Originally Posted by Nerd
kEtta mature romance-Am. deii Johnny, Mahanadhi 2nd half reNdayum 1000 dhadava paarudA veNNa
But at the sametime, I don't think GM can do that HJ ......JK, if it was for GM, i dont care, if it was for me - i dont mind
hmmm, selva, Johnny had lots of masalaness and flaws (in their yardsticks only, not mine) in script./......hubbers can turn blind eye to it and bash me but people gave their judgement in 80's itself
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From: selvakumar on 22nd May 2007 08:29 PM [Full View]
Maddy,
One thing we need to note here. GM is getting repetitive with his romance sequences and dialogues in his latest movies are
But if u have a look at Mahendran love stories, they were slightly different from each other.
I don't think Gautham can handle it.
I would love to remind that TAMIL FILM INDUSTRY HAD ALREADY WITNESSED ENOUGH LOVE STORIES in the later 90s. I don't think we can arrive at a single guy who can remake JOhnny.
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From: Nerd on 22nd May 2007 08:33 PM [Full View]
ada ada.. unga inferiority complex-kku aLavE illAma pOchu. That was for GM. Sorry If my intention was not clear there.. Originally Posted by MADDY
vera yaara solluvaanga - yenna thaan.........yenna thitturadhudhaan HUB-la regular aacchhe...........yenna thittinaadhan kaetka aalu illa Originally Posted by selvakumar
Indha statement Gautham-ukkaa illa MADDY kkaa Originally Posted by Nerd
kEtta mature romance-Am. deii Johnny, Mahanadhi 2nd half reNdayum 1000 dhadava paarudA veNNa
But at the sametime, I don't think GM can do that HJ ......JK, if it was for GM, i dont care, if it was for me - i dont mind
People gave their judgement to sivakasi, CM, VV etc.., So does that mean that they are GREAT movies and better than J, UP ????????? Originally Posted by MADDY
hmmm, selva, Johnny had lots of masalaness and flaws (in their yardsticks only, not mine) in script./......hubbers can turn blind eye to it and bash me but people gave their judgement in 80's itself
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From: shobana_in on 22nd May 2007 09:01 PM [Full View]
one of the movies where i loved romance is johnny.
for mahendran
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From: MADDY on 23rd May 2007 04:51 AM [Full View]
i completely understand ur anguish there.............i wont take it lightly if someone says Vishnuardhan can remake "Agni Natchithram" or selvaraghavan can remake "Alaipauthey" (cant do much, even if someone says so......numbers matter Originally Posted by Nerd
)......so i would drop tat topic of GM remaking Johnny
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From: thamiz on 23rd May 2007 04:53 AM [Full View]
ennppA ithu ameerukku 3 vote thaanaa?
intha polling waste-ppA!
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From: Nerd on 23rd May 2007 04:56 AM [Full View]
Its OK maddy. enakku and a few otherskku GM suthamA pudikkAthu adhu dhAn ellArum paanjuttaanga
And thamiz, KB, BR, MR, M irukka poll-la ameer kku 3 votes-E rommmba adhigam
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From: thamiz on 23rd May 2007 05:01 AM [Full View]
nerd: avangka ellaam almost kaaNaamal pOyittaangka! Originally Posted by Nerd
And thamiz, KB, BR, MR, M irukka poll-la ameer kku 3 votes-E rommmba adhigam
We should encourage the younger generation!
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From: MADDY on 23rd May 2007 05:13 AM [Full View]
to be frank , i dont like any of the four - bala,ameer,GM and selvaraghavan...........i like GM for his technology - perfect........Ameer is also a hope - his narration style is amazing.......but they are all too "raw/unprocessed" for my taste... Originally Posted by Nerd
Its OK maddy. enakku and a few otherskku GM suthamA pudikkAthu adhu dhAn ellArum paanjuttaanga
And thamiz, KB, BR, MR, M irukka poll-la ameer kku 3 votes-E rommmba adhigam
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From: thamiz on 23rd May 2007 05:15 AM [Full View]
But ameer has variety which you dont see with GM! Anyway, that is your taste and so I should not complain about it!
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From: Nerd on 23rd May 2007 05:18 AM [Full View]
GM is good, technically - agreed. But even in that front we have a mani who is miles ahead of GM
thamiz, ameer's PV was indeed extra-ordinary but MP and Raam both were just about average I thought :P
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From: thamiz on 23rd May 2007 05:30 AM [Full View]
May be there is a reason, I am over-rating ameer. Originally Posted by Nerd
Let me figure that out!
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From: groucho070 on 23rd May 2007 09:23 AM [Full View]
Maddy, Maddy. Pavam. I feel that you are misunderstood many times over, just because of your affection for certain talents that is disputed by many. Originally Posted by MADDY
to be frank , i dont like any of the four - bala,ameer,GM and selvaraghavan...........i like GM for his technology - perfect........Ameer is also a hope - his narration style is amazing.......but they are all too "raw/unprocessed" for my taste... Originally Posted by Nerd
Its OK maddy. enakku and a few otherskku GM suthamA pudikkAthu adhu dhAn ellArum paanjuttaanga
And thamiz, KB, BR, MR, M irukka poll-la ameer kku 3 votes-E rommmba adhigam
I like GM for what he brought to Tamizh film. He did what I thought should have happened immediately after Kuruthi Punal. KK is a wonderful companion piece to KP, if you remove the music and the song. And so would VV, albeit VV has much more gloss. And he owes it a lot to the editor (Anthony?).
I am not fond of Harris because I think he is an expensive version of S.A. Raj Kumar. He self-plagiarises a lot, if he is not taking bits and pieces off ARR. Nothing wrong. Just that I think he can be original only on few occasions. My complain with VV is Harris. If only the movie can be silenced music-wise, there would have been a lot more suspense.
If Johnny were to be made in a lot more glamourous way, the way, I think they are doing with Billa, then GM is the man for the job and I will vote for Madhavan to do the role.
But if they were to make it more music intensive and character-driven, then we don't have a candidate except Mahendran himself.
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From: karannotout on 1st June 2007 03:36 PM [Full View]
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From: karannotout on 1st June 2007 03:36 PM [Full View]
any reason for not including Dr.Kamal HaasaR in the best directors list????
any directors in india can imagine to direct "HEY RAM"????
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From: shobana_in on 1st June 2007 03:40 PM [Full View]
idha pala murai ketachu Originally Posted by karannotout
any reason for not including Dr.Kamal HaasaR in the best directors list????
any directors in india can imagine to direct "HEY RAM"????
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From: joe on 1st June 2007 03:42 PM [Full View]
Back to the square one ? Originally Posted by karannotout
any reason for not including Dr.Kamal HaasaR in the best directors list????
any directors in india can imagine to direct "HEY RAM"????
Infact ,50% of the previous discussions are only on this ..Pls chk the old pages
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From: karannotout on 1st June 2007 03:43 PM [Full View]
As a Kamalian, it is my duty to ask ( otherwise it will be big Theiva Kutham) even it is asked by other kamalians... Originally Posted by shobana_in
idha pala murai ketachu Originally Posted by karannotout
any reason for not including Dr.Kamal HaasaR in the best directors list????
any directors in india can imagine to direct "HEY RAM"????
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From: Ramakrishna on 1st June 2007 06:15 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by karannotout
As a Kamalian, it is my duty to ask ( otherwise it will be big Theiva Kutham) even it is asked by other kamalians... Originally Posted by shobana_in
idha pala murai ketachu Originally Posted by karannotout
any reason for not including Dr.Kamal HaasaR in the best directors list????
any directors in india can imagine to direct "HEY RAM"????
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From: CEDYBLUE on 5th June 2007 12:58 AM [Full View]
oh very well said mate! Originally Posted by karannotout
any reason for not including Dr.Kamal HaasaR in the best directors list????
any directors in india can imagine to direct "HEY RAM"????
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From: CEDYBLUE on 5th June 2007 01:10 AM [Full View]
MANIRATHNAM,DAYLIGHT D OTHERS..
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From: raaja_rasigan on 26th June 2007 11:15 AM [Full View]
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=345031&disdate=6/26/2007
"16 வயதினிலே'' படத்தில், மயிலின் (ஸ்ரீதேவி) கன்னத்தில் சப்பாணி (கமலஹாசன்) அறையும் காட்சி முடிந்ததும், "செவ்வந்திப்பூ முடிச்ச சின்னக்கா'' என்ற பாடல் காட்சி வரும்.
பாடலுக்கு முன்னால் வரும் அந்த சீனுக்கு, மிïசிக் கம்போஸ் நடந்தது. குறிப்பிட்ட `ஷாட்'டுகளுக்காக போடப்பட்ட இசை, அந்த ஷாட்டுகளில் அமையவில்லை.
அது கொஞ்சம் முன்னால் போய்விடும். அல்லது அந்த ஷாட் முடிந்து லேட்டாகி விடும். இதை `கண்டக்ட்' செய்து கொண்டிருந்த கோவர்த்தன் சாரிடம், "அண்ணே! நீங்க உள்ளே வாங்க, நானே `கண்டக்ட்' செய்கிறேன்'' என்று உள்ளே போனேன்.
ஒரு ரிகர்சல் `கண்டக்ட்' செய்தேன். எல்லாம் அதனதன் இடத்தில் உட்கார்ந்தது. ஆர்க்கெஸ்ட்ராவுக்கு குஷி.
டேக் தொடங்கியது.
கட்... கட்...
கண்டக்ட் செய்யத் தொடங்கிய கொஞ்ச நேரத்தில் டப்பிங் தியேட்டரில் உட்கார்ந்திருந்த யாரோ ஒருவர், "கட்! கட்!'' என்றார்.
நான் திரும்பிப் பார்த்தேன். பாரதி டென்ஷனாகி உள்ளே வந்துவிட்டார்.
"யாருய்யா கட் சொன்னது?'' என்று பாரதியிடம் கோபமாக கேட்டேன்.
பாரதிக்கு, அவரது அசிஸ்டெண்ட் யாரோ `கட்' சொன்னது தெரிந்து போயிற்று. அந்த அசிஸ்டெண்ட் யாரென்பதும் தெரிந்து போயிற்று.
நான் அவரிடம், "எதுக்குய்யா கட் சொன்னே?'' என்று கேட்டேன்.
அவரோ என்னையும், பாரதியையும் மாறி மாறிப் பார்த்தார். பிறகு, "டேக்கில் டயலாக் வரலை சார். டயலாக் இல்லாம டேக் எப்படி சார்?'' என்றார்.
அவர் இப்படிச் சொன்னதும் அந்தக் கோபத்திலும், எல்லாரும் விழுந்து விழுந்து சிரித்தோம்.
அதாவது ரிகர்சல் பார்க்கும்போது திரையில் டயலாக் போகும். அதோடு இசைக் குழுவினரை வாசிக்க வைத்துப் பார்ப்போம்.
டேக் போகும்போது அந்த ஸ்கிரீனுக்கு பின் இருக்கும் ஸ்பீக்கரில் டயலாக் வந்தால், அதுவும் மைக்கில் பிக்அப் ஆகி, வாத்தியங்களில் இசை கேட்காமல் போகும் அல்லவா? அதற்காக அதை `கட்' பண்ணி கண்டக்டரின் ஹெட்போனில் மட்டும் கொடுப்பார்கள். அதைத்தான் இவர் டேக்கில் டயலாக்கை கட் பண்ணிவிட்டார்கள் என்று எண்ணி, `கட்' சொல்லியிருக்கிறார் என்பது புரிந்தது.
பாரதி அவரைப் பார்த்து, "இங்கே இருக்காதே! உள்ளே போய் உட்கார்!'' என்று உள்ளே அனுப்பி வைத்தார்.
பிறகு அந்த உதவியாளர் பற்றி பாரதி பேசும்போது, "எக்ஸ்போஸ் பண்ணின பிலிம் டப்பாவை ஷூட்டிங் ஸ்பாட்டிலேயே திறந்து பார்க்கப் போனவன் இவன்!'' என்று சொல்லி, அதுபற்றி விவரித்தார்.
படப்பிடிப்பு முடிந்து வந்த பிலிம்கேனை திறந்து, படம் பிடித்த எல்லாக் காட்சிகளும் இருக்கிறதா என்று பார்க்கப்போனவராம் இவர்! நல்லவேளையாக பாரதி இதைப் பார்த்துவிட, பிலிம் ரோல் தப்பியிருக்கிறது.
இப்படி பாரதியிடம் திட்டு வாங்கியவர் வேறு யாருமல்ல; பிற்காலத்தில் பெரிய டைரக்டராக உயர்ந்த கே.பாக்யராஜ்தான்!
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From: smith1 on 31st July 2007 09:28 PM [Full View]
Best director?
Undoubtedly K.Balachander.
He is away ahead of the others.
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From: raaja_rasigan on 31st July 2007 09:41 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by smith1
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From: Thirumaran on 1st August 2007 10:43 AM [Full View]
For me too K. B is the best Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Originally Posted by smith1
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From: m_23_bayarea on 1st August 2007 10:48 AM [Full View]
MANIRATHNAM - The Revolution Amongst Indian Directors!
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From: Thirumaran on 1st August 2007 11:17 AM [Full View]
Could be. But he is not the best Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
MANIRATHNAM - The Revolution Amongst Indian Directors!
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From: m_23_bayarea on 1st August 2007 11:19 AM [Full View]
Best to me! :P Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Could be. But he is not the best Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
MANIRATHNAM - The Revolution Amongst Indian Directors!
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From: Thirumaran on 1st August 2007 11:22 AM [Full View]
Along with you 25 more Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Best to me! :P Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Could be. But he is not the best Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
MANIRATHNAM - The Revolution Amongst Indian Directors! :P
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From: m_23_bayarea on 1st August 2007 11:23 AM [Full View]
That shows who's the best! Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Along with you 25 more :P
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From: Corleone on 1st August 2007 11:23 AM [Full View]
Now 26 more Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Along with you 25 more Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Best to me! :P Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Could be. But he is not the best Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
MANIRATHNAM - The Revolution Amongst Indian Directors! :P
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From: m_23_bayarea on 1st August 2007 11:26 AM [Full View]
Yay! Originally Posted by Corleone
Now 26 more
BTW, I happened to read the first 10 - 15 pages of this thread today! It's one of the most entertaining threads here...
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From: thilak4life on 1st August 2007 01:00 PM [Full View]
Hmmm, Let's summarize this whole thread.
In terms of narrating a story with aesthetics, and acoustical ambience (forget the issues, as they may come as 'fiction' more than 'sensitive' approach, exceptions like Veedu may contradict though), subtle and underplayed - J. Mahendran, Balu Mahendra and Mani rathnam.
In terms of films on relationships (marital or not), social issues, powerful characters, crude and dramatic films - Bharathiraja, K.B, Bhagyaraj.
But in the very first page of this thread. Our Kalai vignani PR has said it,
Amen to that.I'd vote the one filmmaker who seems to understand the whole point and strives to achieve a balance between content presented and quality of presentation. He's not in your list
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From: crajkumar_be on 1st August 2007 01:09 PM [Full View]
Amen to Kalai Vignani PR and Thiraippada Thiruvasagar, Pagutharivu Pettagam Thilak
"By the by" TT Thilak, what an avatar
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From: Devar Magan on 1st August 2007 01:26 PM [Full View]
Undoubtedly its Kamal Haasan
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From: Vivasaayi on 1st August 2007 01:48 PM [Full View]
best director :
andru sreedhar, bheemsing
netru barathiraja, mahendra
indru maniratnam, shankar
naalai - ? (selva,amir, bala,vishnuvardhan,gautama,Murugadoss )
kamal director-a? . sollave illa- hey raam, apparum??
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From: Ramakrishna on 1st August 2007 01:51 PM [Full View]
Virumaandi Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
best director :
andru sreedhar, bheemsing
netru barathiraja, mahendra
indru maniratnam, shankar
naalai - ? (selva,amir, bala,vishnuvardhan,gautama,Murugadoss )
kamal director-a? . sollave illa- hey raam, apparum??
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From: Vivasaayi on 1st August 2007 01:53 PM [Full View]
yes both super films. Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
Virumaandi Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
best director :
andru sreedhar, bheemsing
netru barathiraja, mahendra
indru maniratnam, shankar
naalai - ? (selva,amir, bala,vishnuvardhan,gautama,Murugadoss )
kamal director-a? . sollave illa- hey raam, apparum?? . but hey raam-dhaan puriyavae illa
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From: Corleone on 1st August 2007 01:55 PM [Full View]
Kamal lags a bit behind KB in terms of narration
Kamal lags a bit behind Mahendran in terms of characterization and portrayal
Kamal lags a bit behind Maniratnam in terms of presentation
Kamal lags a bit behind Shankar in terms of grandeur
But Kamal as a complete package is street ahead of the rest
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From: Ramakrishna on 1st August 2007 01:57 PM [Full View]
yaen maams, puriyaama epdi super film-nu solreenga Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
yes both super films. Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
Virumaandi Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
best director :
andru sreedhar, bheemsing
netru barathiraja, mahendra
indru maniratnam, shankar
naalai - ? (selva,amir, bala,vishnuvardhan,gautama,Murugadoss )
kamal director-a? . sollave illa- hey raam, apparum?? . but hey raam-dhaan puriyavae illa
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From: NOV on 1st August 2007 02:27 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
For me too K. B is the best Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Originally Posted by smith1
while acknowledging the greatness of KB, we also need to underscore the greatness of the directors of yonderdays, such as Bhim Singh, KSG, VV Sundaram, etc. Surely they were as good if not better than some of the names above.
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From: thilak4life on 1st August 2007 02:42 PM [Full View]
TT, now that makes me blush. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Amen to Kalai Vignani PR and Thiraippada Thiruvasagar, Pagutharivu Pettagam Thilak
"By the by" TT Thilak, what an avatar (BTW Bala-ku poruthamana title veika udhaivi thevai.. Expertise in Music, films, cricket, blogging, etc..ippidi ellathayum sethu oru title veikkanum!)
I almost forgot. Special mention: S.Balachandar and Rudrayiah (for their solo efforts).
This avatar, I was darned specific about getting this. that expression
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From: Corleone on 1st August 2007 03:02 PM [Full View]
Beware guys...hope u know the unofficial meaning of TT in this hub Originally Posted by thilak4life
TL - THILLAALANGADI Originally Posted by thilak4life
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From: Roshan on 1st August 2007 03:07 PM [Full View]
haha nallAthAn irukku titles Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Amen to Kalai Vignani PR and Thiraippada Thiruvasagar, Pagutharivu Pettagam Thilak
"By the by" TT Thilak, what an avatar
BTW, Bala is the hub's Kalai Gnani Rasigar Mandra Thalaivar. Athukku porunthura maathiri Ethaavathu title yOsikkanum
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From: selvakumar on 1st August 2007 03:18 PM [Full View]
Where is Sridhar ? (not the director) Originally Posted by NOV
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
For me too K. B is the best
while acknowledging the greatness of KB, we also need to underscore the greatness of the directors of yonderdays, such as Bhim Singh, KSG, VV Sundaram, etc. Surely they were as good if not better than some of the names above.
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From: crajkumar_be on 1st August 2007 03:25 PM [Full View]
Thilak,Roshan,
(VV - Velayilla Vettipaya)
Let's get back to the topic
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From: Thirumaran on 1st August 2007 03:28 PM [Full View]
Good one :P Originally Posted by selvakumar
Where is Sridhar ? (not the director) Originally Posted by NOV
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
For me too K. B is the best
while acknowledging the greatness of KB, we also need to underscore the greatness of the directors of yonderdays, such as Bhim Singh, KSG, VV Sundaram, etc. Surely they were as good if not better than some of the names above.
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From: selvakumar on 1st August 2007 03:29 PM [Full View]
No probs. We can post something on the topic and we can disguss this under the quotes [dig] .. [/dig] Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Thilak,Roshan,
(VV - Velayilla Vettipaya)
Let's get back to the topic
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btw Coroleone
Kamal lags a bit behind Shankar in terms of grandeur ! -
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From: selvakumar on 1st August 2007 03:30 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Good one :P Originally Posted by selvakumar
Where is Sridhar ? (not the director)
btw, I feel we have not discussed about Mahendran in detail in this thread :P
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From: NOV on 1st August 2007 03:39 PM [Full View]
Top Tamil Directors
Proven List
K.Balachandar
ManiRatnam
Bharathiraaja
S. Shankar
K.Bagyaraj
Balu Mahendra
S.Balachandar
Bhim Singh
Durai
Mahendran
A.P. Nagarajan
P. Neelakantan
C.V. Sridhar
KS Gopala Krishnan
K Viswanath
VV Sundaram
With Potential
PC Sriram
Kamalahasan
Thangar Bachan
Ameer Sultan
Janarthanan
Goutham Menon
Bala
Cheran
Vishnu Vardhan
Balaji Sakthivel
SJ Surya
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From: smith1 on 1st August 2007 03:41 PM [Full View]
It is too early to judge kamal as a director & compare him with KB.
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From: thilak4life on 1st August 2007 03:55 PM [Full View]
Nov,
Also add Dharani, Vikraman, SJ.Suryah, Perarasu, etc to the Proven list. That would make it more meaningful :P
Corleone,
Rejected. I meant that title. :P
Bala, Roshan, Selva,
[dig][/dig] irukkula?
vivasayi,
Anne, neenga sonna seri. Vanga vanga :P
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From: swathy on 1st August 2007 03:57 PM [Full View]
thilak : enna oru avatar? xcellent
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From: thilak4life on 1st August 2007 04:00 PM [Full View]
[dig] Originally Posted by swathy
thilak : enna oru avatar? xcellent
Thanks! Neenga yeppo mottai boss avatar-a matha poringa?[/dig]
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From: crajkumar_be on 1st August 2007 04:11 PM [Full View]
S.Shankar - Same director who made Gentleman, Kadhalan, Jeans, Indian, Mudhalvan, Boys and Sivaji???
Ramanarayanan, Perarasu, R.Sundararajan, V.Sekar, Visu should be addecd to the proven list
And who is Janardhanan? [Director of Iyarkai and E was Jananadhan if i remember correctly]
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From: thilak4life on 1st August 2007 04:16 PM [Full View]
How can that list miss SAC, Saran and Vasu?
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From: crajkumar_be on 1st August 2007 04:17 PM [Full View]
Of course! Originally Posted by thilak4life
How can that list miss SAC, Saran and Vasu?
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 1st August 2007 05:03 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Where is Sridhar ? (not the director) Originally Posted by NOV
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
For me too K. B is the best
while acknowledging the greatness of KB, we also need to underscore the greatness of the directors of yonderdays, such as Bhim Singh, KSG, VV Sundaram, etc. Surely they were as good if not better than some of the names above. ennaya solreengalA selvA?
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From: selvakumar on 1st August 2007 05:51 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Sanguine Sridhar
ennaya solreengalA selvA?
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From: dinesh2002 on 1st August 2007 08:16 PM [Full View]
SHANKAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: raaja_rasigan on 1st August 2007 10:07 PM [Full View]
u all hav missed S P Muthuraman
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From: smith1 on 1st August 2007 10:09 PM [Full View]
yes, the man who "made' rajini superstar.
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From: m_23_bayarea on 1st August 2007 10:11 PM [Full View]
How abt Pandiarajan? He's a great director too, right? :P
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From: raaja_rasigan on 1st August 2007 10:18 PM [Full View]
yeah.... Aan paavam one of my all time fav... Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
"Appa... nee mattum enga maava kalyanam pannalaam... naan unga ammava kalyanam pannakkoodadha"
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From: smith1 on 1st August 2007 10:32 PM [Full View]
& kanni rasi.
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From: groucho070 on 2nd August 2007 09:24 AM [Full View]
Good hack director, great inspiration for people like P. Vasu and Ravi Kumar, who work well only with good talents and script. Give them crap, they deliver crap. Helpless people actually. Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
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From: NOV on 2nd August 2007 09:33 AM [Full View]
run of the mill, masala directors.
but I did miss Fazil....
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 2nd August 2007 09:52 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by Sanguine Sridhar
ennaya solreengalA selvA? I can understand!
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 2nd August 2007 10:01 AM [Full View]
Once Ramanarayanan was asked
"Yen epOdhum mirugangalai vachu mattum padam edukurEnga?"
Ramanarayanan said
"nAn neRaiya nalla padangal eduthruKen, Aana adhellam vittutEnga. Seri, mirugangal vachu edutha adhu kEvalamA? mirugangal vachu padam edukuRadhu ippO irukura Hero's-a vachu edukuRadha vida romba easy. Call sheet prechanai tharAdhu, Hotel-la room book panni thara venAm, kOdi kanakula sambalam kodukka venAm." :P
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From: groucho070 on 2nd August 2007 10:05 AM [Full View]
Yeah. Quite original actually. But I guess he is happy in a place where good storytelling is appreciated. Anggey nallaa irukkattum antha manushan. Originally Posted by NOV
run of the mill, masala directors.
but I did miss Fazil....
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 2nd August 2007 10:11 AM [Full View]
These ppl are my fav directors :
Cheran,Bharathiraja,Mahendran,Bheem Singh,A.P.Nagarajan,Sridhar,Bagyaraj,Manirathnam, Selvaraghavan(), K.S.Ravikumar and Shankar to an extent
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From: groucho070 on 2nd August 2007 10:19 AM [Full View]
Don't know why, but I have issues with Cheran's recent film. They look good. Everyone says they are good. But there seemed some kind of self indulgent. It's like he painted something, drooled over it himself, and added more, drooled somemore and gave it to others to drool. Originally Posted by Sanguine Sridhar
These ppl are my fav directors :
Cheran,Bharathiraja,Mahendran,Bheem Singh,A.P.Nagarajan,Sridhar,Bagyaraj,Manirathnam, Selvaraghavan(), K.S.Ravikumar and Shankar to an extent
Sorry to sound crude. I feel bad that I am unable to appreciate his good films.
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From: NOV on 2nd August 2007 10:45 AM [Full View]
:P Originally Posted by Sanguine Sridhar
not only chEran, anyone who acts in a movie that they direct inadvertently end up like this. Originally Posted by groucho070
and now I know why you have issues with ... nevermind.
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 11:25 AM [Full View]
Provoke panraaramaam
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From: groucho070 on 2nd August 2007 11:25 AM [Full View]
Solungga. Or would it start WW111 in the hub? Originally Posted by NOV
and now I know why you have issues with ... Originally Posted by Sanguine Sridhar
nevermind.
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From: NOV on 2nd August 2007 11:28 AM [Full View]
sila nErangalil mounam thaan sirandhadhu. Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: m_23_bayarea on 2nd August 2007 11:30 AM [Full View]
Tryin to list most directors that cut across generations...
* Bheem Singh
* AC Thirulogachandar
* Sridhar
* Balachander
* Bharathiraja
* Mahendran
* SP Muthuraman
* Bhagyaraj
* Pandiarajan
* Manirathnam
* Shankar
* Gowtham Menon
etc etc.... Know I missed a lot of em! But these guys came to my mind at once! :P
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From: m_23_bayarea on 2nd August 2007 11:30 AM [Full View]
Even the mod is scared? Originally Posted by NOV
sila nErangalil mounam thaan sirandhadhu. Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 11:31 AM [Full View]
Citizen Kane - Directed by Orson Welles, *-ing Orson Welles
Day For Night - Directed by Francois Truffaut, *ing Truffaut
The Wild Child - Directed by Francois Truffaut, *ing Truffaut
Limelight - Directed by Charles Chaplin, *ing Charles Chaplin
City Lights - Directed by Charles Chaplin, *ing Charles Chaplin
The Great Dictator - Directed by Charles Chaplin, *ing Charles Chaplin
Dances With The Wolves - Directed by Kevin Kostner, *ing Kevin Kostner
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Virumaandi - Directed by Kamal Haasan, *ing Kamal Haasan
Hey Ram - Directed by Kamal Haasan, *ing Kamal Haasan
All these were critically acclaimed award-winning movies. Citizen Kane is considered widely as the greatest movie ever made. Orson Welles *was* indulgent but the critics didn't give a hoot for that as long as the end result - the film was good.
aanaa, sila vashishtargalukku "issues" irukkamaam.. just because of "indulgence"....... yeah, to each his own...
*- Showbizz is all about indulgence, the craving to get applause, recognition, to prove one's art to oneself and the world. Without indulgence, they wouldn't be there in the first place
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From: NOV on 2nd August 2007 11:32 AM [Full View]
no, just being diplomatic. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Even the mod is scared?
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From: groucho070 on 2nd August 2007 11:40 AM [Full View]
Citizen Kane is a movie about a monster. I don't think there was self-indulgence in it. Orson was in love with the subject, Kane, not Orson the actor. Orson the actor was servicing the movie. The indulgence I talk about is when the actor falls in love with himself, and thinks that he is the best there is and tries to prove it pathetically onscreen. That is self-indulgent. Of that list, I'd say Costner comes close. Sure they are award winning flicks. But in retrospect, you suddenly realise that the film is full of themselve, patronising some issues to get awards etc. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
aanaa, sila vashishtargalukku "issues" irukkamaam.. just because of "indulgence"....... yeah, to each his own...
*- Showbizz is all about indulgence, the craving to get applause, recognition, to prove one's art to oneself and the world. Without indulgence, they wouldn't be there in the first place
Vashistar list-la ennaiyum sollureenggala? Just a normal fan, bro. But as you said, each to his own. And as my guruji said about opinions, err....veendam, it's too politically incorrect for a clean forum like this.
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From: NOV on 2nd August 2007 11:40 AM [Full View]
well, let me be open on this: I love HeyRam IN SPITE of its obvious narcissism. In fact, I like Kamal the artiste, IN SPITE of his several shortcomings.
And that is why I get irritated by the constant deitifying of Kamal, IN SPITE of being a fan.
p/s: orson welles, charlie chaplin AND kamal?
ok, i have had enough laughter for the day.
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From: P_R on 2nd August 2007 12:21 PM [Full View]
I am quoting this yet again in the Hub.
For all the charges of self-indulgence (as if it were a bad thing in the first place) Kamal himself has a response in Hey Ram.
Saket Jr. : en thAthA niRaiyA kathai solluvAr......avar solra ellA kathaikaLum first person singular dhAn........oru oorle oru rAjA irundhArnu solla mAttar....naan irundha oorle oru rAjA irundhArmbar.
Hey ! Ram is the first (only ?) first person narrative in TFI. I would say it stopped just short of having the camera permanently mounted on Saket Ram's shoulder and showing his life and times. So, the 'self-indulgence' is not a short coming to be borne patiently so as to enjoy the rest of the movie, it is what the movie as all about.
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 01:08 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
Please see the "Special Features" and the interviews again.
Orson Welles was the epitome of indulgence not only in C.K but even before that in his radio shows
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 01:11 PM [Full View]
1) Better than the comedy you made yesterday with YOUR "Proven Director" list Originally Posted by NOV
p/s: orson welles, charlie chaplin AND kamal?
ok, i have had enough laughter for the day.
3) Definitely better than your hilarious comedy ratings of SSUE and Poi
arumayaana rasanai, knowledge!!!
hayyo hayyo
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 01:12 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Kalai Vignani-ya kokka!
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From: groucho070 on 2nd August 2007 02:01 PM [Full View]
Honestly I forgot what is the war about. But what do you mean Special Features and interview? You mean in the DVD? Interview with whom? Some movie critic? Did he/she/it define self-indulgence? I don't know, my definition of self-indulgence is different. Maybe I need to reduce my own self-indulgence. Hmm..... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Please see the "Special Features" and the interviews again.
Orson Welles was the epitome of indulgence not only in C.K but even before that in his radio shows
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 03:29 PM [Full View]
The "Special Features" section of the DVD and the documentary. Not just *an* interview. Not just in the film as an actor, but also the incidents where he sent a whole nation into panic in his radio show, his tantrums, his allegedly egoistic nature etc... Originally Posted by groucho070
Infact, CK is a double story - at one level it is modelled on Hearst and at another it is almost autobiographical. Yes, you have said you agree that Welles, the person was self-indulgent and not the actor but i beg to disagree. The movie is what it is because of his indulgence. I'm not a fan of Cheran movies myself, but this "indulgence" charge does not hold water. If that's the (only) reason, then you should have issues with a lot of movies you would consider great.
Here's "self-indulgence" defined: Excessive indulgence of one's own appetites and desires.
By that token, not only Welles, Cheran or KH but Kubrick, Chaplin, Kurosawa, Bergman, Tarkovsky, etc - everyone can be accused of the same "crime"
PR put it beautifully and moreover, the whole game is about indulgence. Why is it a crime (even assuming the persons in question were indulgent)? It's the end-product which matters.
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 03:41 PM [Full View]
What to do, a lot of us get irritatedwhen junk like SSUE etc is given rave reviews INSPITE of its lack of meaningful content or entertainment.. We get irritated when terms like "narcissistic" etc are applied selectively.... adhukku enna panna mudiyum? Originally Posted by NOV
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From: thilak4life on 2nd August 2007 03:52 PM [Full View]
About this narcissism, indulgence, etc. I get reminded of
Forgive me, Majesty. I am a vulgar man! But I assure you, my music is not.
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From: groucho070 on 2nd August 2007 04:11 PM [Full View]
Very nice explanation. Thank you. I have only an old VCD copy of Citizen Kane. Will get the DVD soon. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
The "Special Features" section of the DVD and the documentary. Not just *an* interview. Not just in the film as an actor, but also the incidents where he sent a whole nation into panic in his radio show, his tantrums, his allegedly egoistic nature etc... Originally Posted by groucho070
Infact, CK is a double story - at one level it is modelled on Hearst and at another it is almost autobiographical. Yes, you have said you agree that Welles, the person was self-indulgent and not the actor but i beg to disagree. The movie is what it is because of his indulgence. I'm not a fan of Cheran movies myself, but this "indulgence" charge does not hold water. If that's the (only) reason, then you should have issues with a lot of movies you would consider great.
Here's "self-indulgence" defined: Excessive indulgence of one's own appetites and desires.
By that token, not only Welles, Cheran or KH but Kubrick, Chaplin, Kurosawa, Bergman, Tarkovsky, etc - everyone can be accused of the same "crime"
PR put it beautifully and moreover, the whole game is about indulgence. Why is it a crime (even assuming the persons in question were indulgent)? It's the end-product which matters.
I know I am wrong somewhere, but let's not go into it. I admit, I used the expression self-indulgent rather sparingly.
To recall what I wrote earlier to you, I said:
"The indulgence I talk about is when the actor falls in love with himself, and thinks that he is the best there is and tries to prove it pathetically onscreen."
I think it's easier to use Cheran as an example, because to use Kamal in Hey Ram would mean that I will have sleepless night, being a fan.
In one scene in Autograph, Cheran cries after seeing his widowed ex-sweetheart. And he cries. And he cries. And it doesn't look good. Cheran the director shouldn't have allowed that. That is what I meant by self-indulgent. It looked pathetic. Like Vin Diesel trying to do a Pacino.
What I'd like is the ability to show restrain. Not to give it all. A bit of mystery. Do you remember the scene in Kuruthi Punal, Kamall and Gouthami at the Veranda. He is holding back his tears, his wife tries to hold him, he pushes her hand away in a natural-kind of reaction? I will never forget that scene. That is losing oneself in the scene. Selfless. You know he is upset. Was there tears? What's on his mind? We are intrigued.
I think the right expression I should use "self-conscious performance". What do you think?
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From: crajkumar_be on 2nd August 2007 05:05 PM [Full View]
That is plain bad acting, because the same quote can be rephrased thus for Marlon Brando: Originally Posted by groucho070
IMO it's a question of good acting versus bad acting, whether it is indulgent or not. Brando was famous for being arrogant and egoistic but we didn't mind a bit, did we?"The indulgence I talk about is when the actor falls in love with himself, and thinks that he is the best there is and tries to prove it superbly onscreen." [Infact, strangely, "we" don't accuse HIM of narcissism]
Again, i beg to disagree, with the "selfless" part, that is [Agree totally with your thoughts on the scene]. Where is the question of being "selfless" or "selfish"? Even if he were selfish, that was good acting. Originally Posted by groucho070
mm.. I think being self-conscious or not depends on the actor as an individual. I wonder if its even possible to act without being self-conscious. Maybe, maybe not. Originally Posted by groucho070
In general, i think i understand what you are trying to tell, which was summarized in your first quote above - an actor trying to impress/prove himself very much but ends up looking pathetic. Like i said, to me, its a question of the result, more than the "motive". That is, an actor should not end up on screen *looking* like he is trying hard to act and failing.
For Kamal, i can see shades of that in some of his early masala crap films and in Unnal Mudiyum Thambi.
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From: Roshan on 2nd August 2007 06:16 PM [Full View]
Bala and Groucho - Thanks for the nice discussions
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From: groucho070 on 3rd August 2007 10:28 AM [Full View]
Roshan, who's Bala? I feel like the end of Sixth Sense, having discussion with someone who turned out be no-one, Brrrrr.....
Sarippa, I think I have been instrumental in diverting the thread to performance, rather than the directors themselves.
But know this, apart from Hey Ram, I have no issues at all with Kamal, who brilliantly directed and ghost-directed other films. Let me check on your quote and put aside my arrogance and ego (those indespensible companions).
(Adadaaa, kannapinnaaanu quote, quote-a irrukku. Hope I don't mess it up).
No we don't. Because most of the time Brando is a reluctant actor. It echoes what I said (or mine echoes what he said, probably influenced having read one too many books on Brando and by Brando): he says "tries to prove", and that's where my word "pathetic" comes in. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
That is plain bad acting, because the same quote can be rephrased thus for Marlon Brando:
IMO it's a question of good acting versus bad acting, whether it is indulgent or not. Brando was famous for being arrogant and egoistic but we didn't mind a bit, did we?"The indulgence I talk about is when the actor falls in love with himself, and thinks that he is the best there is and tries to prove it superbly onscreen." [Infact, strangely, "we" don't accuse HIM of narcissism]
Brando is not all performance guy. There is also presence. He also said, if you have 100%, give 75%. If you have 75% give 50%, so on and so forth. The only time I saw him giving 100% was in Last Tango. Scary performance. Even he hated it. I don't want to revisit the movie. But was there self-indulgence (as per our definition)? I don't know. Matter of taste.
Selfishness leads to self-consciousness and self-consciousness means he is looking at his fans around him. You mentioned the early masala crap. You are right. Those are very self-conscious performance, that is apt, as for those kind of films you need almost campy performance - provided you relish it. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Selfless-ness means losing yourself to the part. I hate to bring Method here, but yes, there is Method acting involved. It's dangerous. That is a selfless performance, and that is where he excels. Wherelse in Hey Ram, I see the need for him to project his character, whom I find very unlikeable, that he goes extra mile - namely experimenting with his facial hair a lot. Ah hell, I don't want to go on and hurt myself.
You want self-conscious performance, look at actors my generation. I don't want to name names. Pretentious, overtly image-conscious. It is possible to act without being self-conscious. You see that in most of Kamal and early Rajini. Rajini in Mullum Malarum and 6 to 60 is perfect example of losing oneself in the roles. I don't even want to go to NT. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
What happened to 90s was directors obsessively in love with their story so much that they failed to check on performance.
Nah. UMT was fine. The earlier ones were, as I said, and they ought to be. Giving a realistic, selfless performance in a masala movie will be terrible. The closest he came doing that was in Apoorva Sagotharargal, but that is Kamal. Only he can give quality to masala. Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Gee, I don't where we are heading. But I like your explanation a lot. Opened my mind. Thanks.
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From: MrJudge on 19th October 2007 08:06 PM [Full View]
You can't define anything here. It is not something you can teach to somebody. It's an intuition, an experience you feel while watching the movies. You need to learn it yourself and understand what appeals better or poor to you. Originally Posted by MADDY
since u have accepted all tamil directors are commercial including BM/Mahendran and Maniratnam, so, what is "quality-commercial" here, judge??? can u define it??? how can we rate commercial directors then??? and how do i need to accept ur views here???? FYI, Mani's success rate is more than Perarasu's, so, pls bring some other name.....
When we talking about quality, you bring in BO success for argument. If brought Perarasu (for argument sake), you bring in success rate. If I bring in some other success rates, what will you have in store??
Please don't bring him in here and we have had enough fight over this. I don't think I changed my likings because of some silly fights. I have my own opinions of his music always, I don't change my preference just because somebody says something good or bad. Originally Posted by MADDY
7 pages of this forum or the whole forum decides everthing or what?? Come on, even National awards just don't work when comes to picking the right talents. Originally Posted by MADDY
out of 10 pages of discussion, 6-7 pages are abt Maniratnam - try to stop that Judge - unga thread-la kooda Maniratnam pathhi dhaan pesuraanga......
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From: RATHEESHAJITH on 23rd October 2007 09:11 PM [Full View]
ORU LEGEND INGHA MISSING.......
ONE & ONLY SELVARAGHAVAN
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From: Nerd on 8th August 2008 10:16 AM [Full View]
Uthiri pookkaL review by AV - 60/100.
சினிமா விமர்சனம்
சுந்தரவடிவேலு (விஜயன்): அட்ட காசமாகச் சிரிக்கும் வில்லன்களைப் பார்த்திருக்கிறோம். சிரிக்காமலேயே கழுத்தை அறுக்கும் வில்லனை இப் போதுதான் பார்க்கிறோம். ''நான் எத்தனையோ தவறு செய்திருக்கேன். ஆனா, இப்போ உங்க எல்லாரையும் என்னை மாதிரி மாத்திட்டேன். அது தான் நான் செய்திருக்கும் பெரிய தவறு...'' என்று சொல்லிவிட்டு, குழந்தை களை அணைத்து, ''அப்பா குளிக்கப் போறேன்... நீங்க நல்லா படிங்க'' என்று கூறி விடைபெறும்போது, அந்தக் கொடியவனுக்-காகவும் நாம் கண்ணீர் சிந்துகிறோம்.
லட்சுமி (அஸ்வினி): இந்தப் பாத்திரத் தில் நடிப்பதற்காகவே இவர் பிறந் திருக்கிறாரா அல்லது இந்தப் பாத்திரம் இவருக்காகப் படைக்கப்பட்டிருக்கிறதா என்று பிரித்துப் பார்க்கமுடியாத அள வுக்கு அந்தக் கதாபாத்திரத்துடன் ஐக்கிய-மாகிவிட்டார். கடந்த காலத்தை சரத்பாபு நினைவுபடுத்தும்போது, ஒரு விநாடி பூரிப்பை இதழோரத்தில் சிறு புன்னகை-யாக மலரவிட்டு, அடுத்த கணமே அப்படி நினைப்பதே தவறு என்று மாறும் இடம் ஒன்றே போதும், இவரின் நடிப்பைப் பற்றிச் சொல்ல!
லட்சுமியின் தந்தை தம்புசாமி (சாரு ஹாசன்): கமல்ஹாசனுக்கு அண்ணன் என்று நடிப்பில் காட்டிவிட்டார். 'நான் இவளுக்குத் தகப்பனாராகவே இருக்க விரும்பறேன்... புரோக்கரா இருக்க விரும்பலே...' என்று அவர் அலட்டிக்
கொள்ளாமல் கூறும்போது, இதைவிடக் கூர்மையாகவும் ஆழமாகவும் ஒரு வசனம் உச்சரிக்கப்படமுடியுமா என்று சந்தேக-மாக இருக்கிறது.
குழந்தைகள் ராஜா, பவானி (ராஜா, பேபி அஞ்சு): ஒரு வேண்டுகோள்... இந்தக் குழந்தைகளுக்கு ஒரு நாளைக்கு மூன்று வேளை வீதம் நான்கு நாட்களுக்குத் திருஷ்டி சுற்றிப் போடுங்கள். ராஜா, தந்தையைப் போலவே சிரிக்காமல் அழுத்தமாகக் காட்சி அளிக்கிறான் என்றால், பவானி பசிக்கும்போதும் சிரித்து... தாய் இறக்கும்போதும் சிரித்து... இப்படி அது சிரிக்கச் சிரிக்க நம் வயிறு கலங்குகிறது.
எடிட்டர் (பி.லெனின்): முழுக்க முழுக்க வெளிப்புறக் காட்சிகள் அமைந்த இந்தப் படத்தில் வெகு நாட்களுக்குப் பிறகு ஒலியுடன் உதட்டசைவு மிக நன்றாகப் பொருந்தியிருக்கிறது. அதற்காகவே தனிப் பாராட்டு!
ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் (அசோக் குமார்): பிரத்யேகக் கோணங்களில் காட்சிகளைக் காட்டவேண்டும் என்ற அதிகப்படி ஆர்வத்தில் காமிரா முன் நின்றுகொண்டு கதையை மறைக்கவில்லை நீங்கள். மாறாக, படத்தில் நீங்களும் உங்கள் காமிராவும் இயங்கியிருப் பதே தெரியக்கூடாது என்பதில் பிடிவாதமாக இருந்து, கதையோடு நாங்கள் ஒன்றிப் போகத் துணை புரிந்திருக்கிறீர்கள். அதற்காக உங்களுக்குத் தனிப் பாராட்டு!
இசையமைப்பாளர் (இளைய ராஜா): இந்தப் படத்தைப் பொறுத்தவரையில் முன்னணியில் இருக்கும் உங்கள் பின்னணி இசைக்குத் தனிப் பாராட்டு!
டைரக்டர் (மகேந்திரன்): 'முள்ளும் மலரும்' பட விமர்சனத் தில், 'இனி நீங்கள் எந்தப் படத்தை இயக்கினாலும், இந்தப் படத்தின் தரத்தை உங்களிடமிருந்து ரசிகர்கள் எதிர்பார்ப்பார்கள்' என்று குறிப்பிட்டிருந்தோம். அதை மிகவும் பொறுப்பு உணர்ச்சியோடு ஏற்றுக் கொண்டு இந்தப் படத்தில் செயல் பட்டிருக்கிறீர்கள். அதற்குத் தனிப் பாராட்டு!
மதுமாலினி பாடும் அந்த 'பீப்பீ' பாட்டு தேவைதானா? பாடலின்போது மதுமாலினியின் செயற்கையான தலை-யசைப்பே இப்படிக் கேட்கத் தூண்டுகிறது.
கொடுமைக்காரக் கணவன் பூ வாங்கிக் கொடுத்து, சினிமாவுக்குப் போகத் தயாராக இருக்கச் சொல்லும்போது, லட்சுமி 'மழை வருகிறதா' என்று வானத்தை அண்ணாந்து பார்ப்பதும், அங்கே மழை மேகத்தைக் காட்டுவதும் நயமான டைரக்ஷன்.
லட்சுமியின் மரணத்தில், தமிழ்த் திரையுலகில் இதுவரை நாம் கண்டிராத யதார்த்தத்தைக் காண் கிறோம். லட்சுமி எப்போது இறந்து போனாள் என்பதுகூட அருகில் இருப்பவர்களுக்குத் தெரியாத வண்ணம் இயற்கையாக, வாழ்க்கையோடு ஒட்டியதாக அமைந்திருக்கும் இந்தக் காட்சியில் ஒரு சோகக் கவிதையையே தீட்டியிருக் கிறார் டைரக்டர்.
தந்தையையும் இழந்துவிட்ட பின் தனியாகக் கரையோரம் நடந்து செல்லும் இரு குழந்தைகளைக் காட்டிப் படத்தை முடித்து விட்டார்கள். நம்முடைய இரு குழந்தைகளைத் தியேட்டரிலேயே விட்டுவிட்டு வந்தமாதிரி ஒரு ஏக்கம் வருகிறது, நாம் வீட்டுக்கு வந்து படுக்கும்போது!
டைரக்டர் மகேந்திரன் எல்லா கேரக்டர்களையும் கடைந்தெடுத்த சிற்பங்களாக வடித்தெடுத்திருக்கிறார். சிற்பங்களை மெதுவாகத் தான் செதுக்கமுடியும். இந்தப் படம் மெதுவாகச் செல்கிறது என்று சிலர் குறைப்பட்டுக் கொள்ளலாம். ஆனால், சிற்பம் ஒழுங்காக வந்திருக்கிறதே!
காலம் கனிந்திருக்கிறது. மகேந்திர வர்ம பல்லவரே, உங்கள் சாம்ராஜ்யத்தைத் தாராளமாக விரிவுபடுத்துங்கள்!
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From: raaja_rasigan on 8th August 2008 01:38 PM [Full View]
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From: selvakumar on 8th August 2008 01:39 PM [Full View]
& what an ending Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
காலம் கனிந்திருக்கிறது. மகேந்திர வர்ம பல்லவரே, உங்கள் சாம்ராஜ்யத்தைத் தாராளமாக விரிவுபடுத்துங்கள்!
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 8th August 2008 01:44 PM [Full View]
Manirathnam!
Though I have enough regards for him, I aint too happy with the poll result. Def he doesn't deserve to be the TOP MOST.
Thats my opinion anyway.
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From: MrJudge on 8th August 2008 02:04 PM [Full View]
Money-kku 28 vote-A? enna nadakkuthu ingE? My fav got only 10 votes
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From: MADDY on 8th August 2008 02:14 PM [Full View]
even i'm shocked Originally Posted by MrJudge
Money-kku 28 vote-A? enna nadakkuthu ingE? My fav got only 10 votes .....i know by names a lot of mani bashers in HUB........i dont know where he got his votes from - i mean, i can think of myself,bay,A.Anand,equa(maybe) and seriously no one else
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From: MrJudge on 8th August 2008 02:21 PM [Full View]
I thought you changed your fav long time back, didn't you? Originally Posted by MADDY
even i'm shocked Originally Posted by MrJudge
Money-kku 28 vote-A? enna nadakkuthu ingE? My fav got only 10 votes .....i know by names a lot of mani bashers in HUB........i dont know where he got his votes from - i mean, i can think of myself,bay,A.Anand,equa(maybe) and seriously no one else
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From: MADDY on 8th August 2008 02:24 PM [Full View]
my fav will always remain mani Originally Posted by MrJudge
I thought you changed your fav long time back, didn't you? Originally Posted by MADDY
even i'm shocked Originally Posted by MrJudge
Money-kku 28 vote-A? enna nadakkuthu ingE? My fav got only 10 votes .....i know by names a lot of mani bashers in HUB........i dont know where he got his votes from - i mean, i can think of myself,bay,A.Anand,equa(maybe) and seriously no one else ....but i do accept mahendran/BR are far better in many aspects - thats all .......also, this thread was started a year back
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From: P_R on 8th August 2008 02:44 PM [Full View]
yaaruppA indha thread-ai dhoosi thatti thiruppi eduthadhu ?
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From: equanimus on 8th August 2008 02:51 PM [Full View]
No. First and foremost, I don't vote in polls. Ever. On general principle. Secondly, I'd not pick Mani Ratnam essentially over other filmmakers in this list. (I must also admit that I don't really have a well formed opinion on Sridhar as a filmmaker.) Originally Posted by MADDY
i dont know where he got his votes from - i mean, i can think of myself,bay,A.Anand,equa(maybe) and seriously no one else
Coming up with a rigid list of favourites doesn't interest me much when discussing films. So, I'll say this much. Of the directors present in this list, I don't care much for the films of Gautham and Ameer at all.
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From: MADDY on 8th August 2008 03:20 PM [Full View]
pinna yaaruba mani-kku vote potteenga Originally Posted by equanimus
I'd not pick Mani Ratnam essentially over other filmmakers in this list. (I must also admit that I don't really have a well formed opinion on Sridhar as a filmmaker.) Originally Posted by MADDY
i dont know where he got his votes from - i mean, i can think of myself,bay,A.Anand,equa(maybe) and seriously no one else .....seri vidunga, sathyam vendradhu
equa, i did regret putting ameer and GM ahead of bhagyaraj or a pandiaraj in the polls
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From: P_R on 8th August 2008 03:27 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
pinna yaaruba mani-kku vote potteenga .....seri vidunga, sathyam vendradhu
As I have always said MADDY, you significantly underestimate the MR admirers in the Hub.
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From: rangan_08 on 8th August 2008 03:32 PM [Full View]
oru vela Reliance Ambani aala set panni vote poda vechirupparo ??
BTW, can we have a Revised / Fresh List pls. Bore adikkudhu.
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From: joe on 8th August 2008 03:35 PM [Full View]
Hope you mean 'underestimate no of MR admirers" Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by MADDY
pinna yaaruba mani-kku vote potteenga .....seri vidunga, sathyam vendradhu
As I have always said MADDY, you significantly underestimate the MR admirers in the Hub. ..We cannot come to the conclusion from few participate in the discussion ... Kaalam poora arasiyal pesittiruppan oruthan ..avanukkum oru vote thaan .. election anniku mattum pesama kiLampi vanthu kuthittu poyitte irukkum oru koottam ..eloorukkum oru vote thaan.
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From: raaja_rasigan on 8th August 2008 03:43 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
equa, i did regret putting ameer and GM ahead of bhagyaraj or a pandiaraj in the polls
Since k Bhagyaraj is one of my fav.... one serious question:
Did he do any remake or edhavadhu English padatha sutturukkara?
Another question:
Is Sigappu Rojakkal a original story or atleast 1st time in cinema?
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From: MADDY on 8th August 2008 03:50 PM [Full View]
indha poll start pannadhu pona varusam, when there was no ambani-mani partnership then Originally Posted by rangan_08
oru vela Reliance Ambani aala set panni vote poda vechirupparo ??
BTW, can we have a Revised / Fresh List pls. Bore adikkudhu. .....i'm ready for a fresh list - i would like to drop GM and ameer from the above list and include bagyaraj maybe
PR, yes , mani's supporters in HUB seem to have missed most matters, but counted when it mattered the most......
btw, would GM,ameer,selvaraghavan feature in futures list atleast?? i was simply blown over by 7GRC last week when i watched it on suntv
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From: rangan_08 on 8th August 2008 04:01 PM [Full View]
adhu pona varusham - naan solradhu indha varusham... Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: P_R on 8th August 2008 04:03 PM [Full View]
Yes Joe. That is what I meant. Originally Posted by joe
Hope you mean 'underestimate no of MR admirers" Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Originally Posted by MADDY
pinna yaaruba mani-kku vote potteenga .....seri vidunga, sathyam vendradhu
As I have always said MADDY, you significantly underestimate the MR admirers in the Hub.
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From: groucho070 on 8th August 2008 04:54 PM [Full View]
Baghyaraj did make serious impact. But like Woody Allen, he was making K. Bagyaraj movies. Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
Originally Posted by MADDY
equa, i did regret putting ameer and GM ahead of bhagyaraj or a pandiaraj in the polls
Since k Bhagyaraj is one of my fav.... one serious question:
Did he do any remake or edhavadhu English padatha sutturukkara?
Another question:
Is Sigappu Rojakkal a original story or atleast 1st time in cinema?
As for Sigappu Rojakkal, I believe it is original. The genre is the same to Hitchcock's Psycho. You could say that they share similar plot line. There were many rip-offs of Psycho in Hollywood itself. But Sigappu Rojakkal falls into that genre, not a rip-off.
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From: sarna_blr on 8th August 2008 04:57 PM [Full View]
Sigappurojakkal -- Kamal , sridevi and Karuppu poonai nadiththa padamaa
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From: raaja_rasigan on 8th August 2008 04:59 PM [Full View]
Groucho
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From: rangan_08 on 8th August 2008 05:03 PM [Full View]
Balu Mahendra's "Moodu Pani" very closely resembled Psycho. Remember the famous song " En iniya pon nilave..." Originally Posted by groucho070
Pratap pothen made it with his looks for a psycho, but performance ???
Kamal was simply terrific in SR. The helpless, firghtened and innocent face behind the bars conveys tons of emotions - a very poignant climax indeed.
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From: groucho070 on 8th August 2008 05:03 PM [Full View]
May the god of celluloid bless you. Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Sigappurojakkal -- Kamal , sridevi and Karuppu poonai nadiththa padamaa
yes, the blood drinking, tail-got-caught-in-the-door-suffering karuppu poonai himself could have been given best supporting actor. I guess the award committee didn't know its sex.
It is that very film...I can still hear the shrill of its meoowww.....
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From: selvakumar on 8th August 2008 05:12 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: jaiganes on 8th August 2008 08:50 PM [Full View]
I voted for Bala
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From: Roshan on 8th August 2008 10:14 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
May the god of celluloid bless you. Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Sigappurojakkal -- Kamal , sridevi and Karuppu poonai nadiththa padamaa
yes, the blood drinking, tail-got-caught-in-the-door-suffering karuppu poonai himself could have been given best supporting actor. I guess the award committee didn't know its sex.
It is that very film...I can still hear the shrill of its meoowww.....
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From: sarna_blr on 8th August 2008 10:26 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
May the god of celluloid bless you. Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Sigappurojakkal -- Kamal , sridevi and Karuppu poonai nadiththa padamaa
yes, the blood drinking, tail-got-caught-in-the-door-suffering karuppu poonai himself could have been given best supporting actor. I guess the award committee didn't know its sex.
It is that very film...I can still hear the shrill of its meoowww..... for ur kindly reply
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From: crajkumar_be on 8th August 2008 11:01 PM [Full View]
We can see two embodiments of excellence in that scene - Aandavar and BGM aka Ilaiyaraaja Originally Posted by rangan_08
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From: crajkumar_be on 8th August 2008 11:02 PM [Full View]
Forgot whom i voted for (Mani-a, Mahendran-a)
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From: joe on 8th August 2008 11:03 PM [Full View]
me too Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Forgot whom i voted for
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From: P_R on 8th August 2008 11:21 PM [Full View]
What is this ? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Forgot whom i voted for (Mani-a, Mahendran-a)
neenga indha thErdhalai purakkanikkalayA ?!
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From: app_engine on 8th August 2008 11:39 PM [Full View]
எளிய தீர்மானம் - மண் மணத்தைப்பரப்பியவர் தான் சிறந்தவர்
முதல் மரியாதை & 16 வயதினிலே - தமிழில் முதல் ஐந்துக்குள் எப்போதும் இருக்கும்!
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From: Vahini on 9th August 2008 02:54 AM [Full View]
Bharathiraja :P
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From: A.ANAND on 9th August 2008 01:22 PM [Full View]
ethanai peru vanthalum en thalaivan maniratnam mathiri varuma ?? avaroda story telling,sceenplay vera evanacum avaruma mathiri alaga solla mudiyuma?
he is legend in indian cinema!
avara beat panna inimelthan evanachum poranthu varanum.
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From: jaiganes on 11th August 2008 12:05 AM [Full View]
Anand sir,
you like him - regard him as the best in indian cinema - it is fine
adhukkaaga innoruthan porandhu varanmnu cinema vasanam pesaradhu unga side judgementai comedyakidum. So....
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From: ajithfederer on 12th August 2008 06:16 AM [Full View]
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/2004/07/30/stories/2004073001610100.htm
Award, accolade and much more ...
"Virumaandi" has won the Best Asian Film Award at the International film festival in South Korea. Kamal Hassan shares his elation in a conversation with MALATHI RANGARAJAN.
"Virumaandi" ... a project that proved commercially viable and creatively satisfying to Kamal.
``I SEE it as a kind of peer acceptance and that makes the award even more invaluable to me... ,'' smiles a happy Kamal Hassan. The actor is just back from South Korea with the Asian Award for his Tamil magnum opus, "Virumaandi." And his joy is manifold because the members of the European jury that selected it as the best film from Asia at the eighth Puchon International Fantastic Film Festival (PiFan) (a part of European Fantastic Film Festivals Federation — EFFFF) are eminent filmmakers themselves.
``The whole thing came as a surprise to me. I had gone to the fest as an invitee. `Virumaandi' was not an entry at the competition level and I had no inkling of the honour. There I was seated in the audience, waiting to put my hands together for the winner when my name was announced. I was confused because I was not on the stage with the other nominees ... caught unawares, I did not even have a prepared text to thank the jury for the recognition,'' laughs Kamal.
This year PiFan, the oldest supporting member of EFFFF, suggested the institution of a new award for the Best Asian Film, to be chosen by a European jury. As Asian cinema is of great importance to film festivals affiliated with EFFFF, the Federation gladly accepted the proposal.
Even otherwise, when talking of fantastic films in the real sense of the term, it is only imperative that our films be considered. Thus the first Asian Award was created in the name of the French experimenter with motion pictures, Georges Melies, and it is a matter of cheer that it has gone to an Indian film.
The recognition should come as a fillip to films made here and it is to the jury's credit that it has gone to a much-deserving actor and technician on this side of the globe.
Why "Virumaandi" ...
"The citation crisply mentions `Virumaandi's scoring points," says Kamal as he recalls the contents.
It describes the film as one ``that successfully manages to combine social and political drama, romance, humour, musical and spectacular action in one story of epic proportions ... ''
It further states: ``all the more impressive is the fact that it has been written, produced and directed by one man who also plays the lead role... ''
The actor-director with Pasupathi in his magnum opus.
Jan Doense, a Swedish filmmaker of repute and a member of the jury, gave away the award. (The other member was well-known German filmmaker Olivier Muller.) "Astounding," is the word Doense uttered when Kamal went up to receive the honour, even as he appreciated the ethnicity of the film.
The citation also describes "Virumaandi" ``as a film that should easily appeal to audiences from all over the world.''
Nineteen Asian films were lined up for the competition. ``Worthy productions from Japan, the Philippines, China and Taiwan and about six films from Korea were in the race. From India we had `Raghu Romeo' and `Virumaandi'... '' Kamal informs.
Honour at Rotterdam
A year ago at the Rotterdam Film Festival, in the Netherlands, Kamal's best films that included "Hey! Ram," "Pushpak," "Nayagan," and "Kurudhi Punal" had been showcased under the category, Director in Focus. ``The Retrospective was a great honour in itself ... I couldn't go then because of some personal problems and somehow I didn't even mention it to anyone here. But at this fest in Korea they introduced me as `the actor-director from India who was featured as the Director in Focus at Rotterdam ... ,' " says Kamal Hassan.
Although "Virumaandi" did reasonably well at the box office, it was not what you would call a runaway hit ... ``No ... no ... commercially also `Virumaandi' made me happy,'' Kamal is quick to refute. ``I make the kind of films I want to, on my terms. And the best part is I have the public supporting the films I make with passion, and also my completely commercial flicks. So if I've had a `Moondram Pirai' that ran to packed houses there was also a masala fare, `Sakalakalavallavan' that did equally well. If they refused to watch and nurture the kind of films I have a penchant for I'd be sunk ... ,'' he tells you candidly. So the crowd that offered great support to "Virumaandi," should do the same for "Vasool Raja " ... "That's my hope," smiles Kamal.
Limelight matters
How important are awards to a veteran like him? "Very. The recognition for your work on any platform — local, national or international — is a tremendous boost. But your sustaining power depends solely on the verdict of the filmgoer. If Sivaji Ganesan was at the helm for 40 years, it was because the people wanted him there." The veracity of the observation cannot be disputed. And going by the benchmark, Kamal Hassan too has been ruling the roost for two decades and more now. ``Yet if tomorrow the man out there decides otherwise, I'll be out. So every film is a test ... ''
Has the veteran at any point been disappointed with the response his work has received? Kamal laughs, ``A singer of Balamurali Krishna's stature you feel would be happy about his stupendous achievements. So when I heard him sound disconcerted that his performing skill on the viola has not been widely accepted, I was surprised ... I suppose it happens.''
So what does this veteran feel dejected about? "Come to think of it, nothing. The press in general has been kind to me ... and I'm quite contented with my lot ... When others tell me that I would have won international acclaim if I had been in the West, I turn around and tell them, this is my place and I should win world renown from here ... with my kind of cinema.'' And Kamal Hassan is doing just that.
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From: crajkumar_be on 12th August 2008 05:31 PM [Full View]
namakkum, NOV/thambi Maddy-kum pOr nadandhadhA nyAbagam irukku, for obvious reasons. purakkaNichadhAvum nyAbagam irukku, but when this page loads i see that i have actually voted.. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
What is this ? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Forgot whom i voted for (Mani-a, Mahendran-a)
neenga indha thErdhalai purakkanikkalayA ?!
mappula edhayAvadhu paNNi tholachuttEnO?
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From: Alek Niranjan on 12th August 2008 05:35 PM [Full View]
Why Vachu is not the Director's List?
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From: selvakumar on 12th August 2008 05:38 PM [Full View]
Maddy should get ready for (with) another round of (with) 'explanations' for not including few directors.
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From: crajkumar_be on 12th August 2008 05:53 PM [Full View]
konja naala alaye kanom... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy should get ready for (with) another round of (with) 'explanations' for not including few directors.
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From: selvakumar on 12th August 2008 05:56 PM [Full View]
therla.... busy ah irunthatha sonna namba koodaathu... Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
konja naala alaye kanom... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy should get ready for (with) another round of (with) 'explanations' for not including few directors.
venaa - mani ya thitta aarambippomaa :P
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From: NOV on 12th August 2008 07:58 PM [Full View]
eppa thaan pOr nadakkala? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: crajkumar_be on 12th August 2008 07:59 PM [Full View]
veerargalukku idhellam jagajam dhaane! Originally Posted by NOV
eppa thaan pOr nadakkala? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: ajithfederer on 12th August 2008 08:06 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy should get ready for (with) another round of (with) 'explanations' for not including few directors.
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From: NOV on 12th August 2008 08:07 PM [Full View]
great! you missed a very important, but minor point in my quote Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
veerargalukku idhellam jagajam dhaane! Originally Posted by NOV
eppa thaan pOr nadakkala? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: ajithfederer on 12th August 2008 08:08 PM [Full View]
Nenaichein
Originally Posted by NOV
great! you missed a very important, but minor point in my quote Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
veerargalukku idhellam jagajam dhaane! Originally Posted by NOV
eppa thaan pOr nadakkala? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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From: crajkumar_be on 12th August 2008 08:08 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by NOV
great! you missed a very important, but minor point in my quote ippo thAn pAthEn! idhukku Thirumaran thakka badhil aLippAr 
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From: NOV on 12th August 2008 08:13 PM [Full View]
for the record, I did not add a single word to CR's comment.
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From: selvakumar on 12th August 2008 08:18 PM [Full View]
ya... NOV - you only removed the one that separated those two words Originally Posted by NOV
for the record, I did not add a single word to CR's comment.
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From: NOV on 12th August 2008 08:22 PM [Full View]
its all a matter of interpretation. :P
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From: selvakumar on 12th August 2008 08:23 PM [Full View]
NO - misinterpretation Originally Posted by NOV
by forging :P
Just noticed that, I haven't voted in the polls yet
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From: NOV on 12th August 2008 08:24 PM [Full View]
dont worry - I wont ask you to vote for KB. :P
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From: selvakumar on 12th August 2008 08:25 PM [Full View]
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From: ajithfederer on 12th August 2008 08:49 PM [Full View]
Bala One small request
Need news items/articles/blog results for
Kamal haasan/Director (Filmmaker)in focus/International Rotterdam Film Festival @ 2001.
P.S: My search attempts at thier site proved futile
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From: crajkumar_be on 12th August 2008 09:11 PM [Full View]
Feddy,
Will surely try and let you know (lot of avenues blocked in office!)
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From: equanimus on 12th August 2008 09:12 PM [Full View]
Ajithfederer,
Do you mean the kind of reviews his films received at Rotterdam? If that's the case, I'm afraid there's not much written about them on the web as far as I know.
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From: ajithfederer on 12th August 2008 09:18 PM [Full View]
Equanimus
And also I/we got to know from Kamal's interview that he was introduced in the south korean film festival as `the actor-director from India who was featured as the Director in Focus at Rotterdam ... ,' "
I think that itself is a great honour that many are unaware of. More details if found on this event will be useful for me and others.
Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: equanimus on 12th August 2008 09:23 PM [Full View]
An article at Senses of Cinema about the 30th Rotterdam International Film Festival.
Kamal Haasan's profile at Rotterdam Film Festival official website.
But, as I already said, not much is written (by those who caught the films at the festival, that is) about the films or the filmmaker on the web, as far as I know.
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From: ajithfederer on 12th August 2008 09:28 PM [Full View]
Equanimus (Unga real name enna??). Mikka nandri. Aana idhae naan nethae paathutein.
Andha paala pona website-la oru archive kooda illai. Enna naansanss website maintain panranugalo!!. Originally Posted by equanimus
Originally Posted by equanimus
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From: raaja_rasigan on 17th August 2008 08:44 PM [Full View]
"Mullum Malarum" got 61 marks from Anada vikatan - 2nd highest after 16 Vayadhinile
Mahendran
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From: MADDY on 18th August 2008 11:07 AM [Full View]
aaahaa......pudhu "building contract" onnu vandhirukku, adhula dhaan busy-a irukken Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
konja naala alaye kanom... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy should get ready for (with) another round of (with) 'explanations' for not including few directors.
btw, i remember u telling me that u voted for KB when u found no kamal in the list
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From: selvakumar on 18th August 2008 12:03 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
aaahaa......pudhu "building contract" onnu vandhirukku, adhula dhaan busy-a irukken Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
konja naala alaye kanom... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy should get ready for (with) another round of (with) 'explanations' for not including few directors.
btw, i remember u telling me that u voted for KB when u found no kamal in the list
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From: crajkumar_be on 18th August 2008 03:57 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
aaahaa......pudhu "building contract" onnu vandhirukku, adhula dhaan busy-a irukken Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
konja naala alaye kanom... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Maddy should get ready for (with) another round of (with) 'explanations' for not including few directors.
btw, i remember u telling me that u voted for KB when u found no kamal in the list nAnsansss!
saami!enakkoru unma therinjaaganum
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From: selvakumar on 25th August 2008 09:24 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Apart from that ,Bagyaraj rarely did heroism characters ..Most of his characters are self pitying .
Moreover people go to his movies not for actor bhagyaraj ,but screen play writer ,director bagyaraj He has the audience in tears with most of his characters. I really liked the character in Daavani kanavugal, Mundaanai Mudichu etc. There will be at least one scene in which many will feel pity for him.
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From: HonestRaj on 25th August 2008 11:37 PM [Full View]
kanniparuvathile :P Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by joe
Apart from that ,Bagyaraj rarely did heroism characters ..Most of his characters are self pitying .
Moreover people go to his movies not for actor bhagyaraj ,but screen play writer ,director bagyaraj He has the audience in tears with most of his characters. I really liked the character in Daavani kanavugal, Mundaanai Mudichu etc. There will be at least one scene in which many will feel pity for him.
Need to revisit this film for Baghyaraj's villainism
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From: directhit on 26th August 2008 08:44 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
mappula edhayAvadhu paNNi tholachuttEnO? Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Originally Posted by MADDY
btw, i remember u telling me that u voted for KB when u found no kamal in the list nAnsansss!
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From: crajkumar_be on 27th August 2008 04:35 PM [Full View]
Maddy,
Court la sandhippom!
neenga Bangalore varumbodhu nashta eedu kudukkanum
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From: MADDY on 27th August 2008 04:43 PM [Full View]
engalakkum soodhu vaadhu theriyum periyappu Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Maddy,
Court la sandhippom!
neenga Bangalore varumbodhu nashta eedu kudukkanum
actually, i checked the old pages and i confused ur posts with moviecop's......it was moviecop who had said "KB is the best" .........if u see, the avatar that moviecop has now, u had it a year back - same kamal foto hence the confusion
neenga vijay mallya-kaaga thayar aagura special beer-oda suthhamaanavaru
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From: crajkumar_be on 27th August 2008 04:46 PM [Full View]
samarasa pechu vaarthayin moolam prachanai sumugamaga mudindhadhu (out of court settlement)
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From: selvakumar on 27th August 2008 04:48 PM [Full View]
Bala,
I don't know. Somehow I felt you could have voted for KB. Thalaivarin Guru apadinnu
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From: P_R on 27th August 2008 04:50 PM [Full View]
ஆக மொத்தம் கே.பி-க்கு போட்டுரலீல்ல ?
ஏதோ நம்மால முடிஞ்சது :P
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From: HonestRaj on 7th September 2008 01:37 PM [Full View]
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: VENKIRAJA on 7th September 2008 04:31 PM [Full View]
Really? Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: Vivasaayi on 7th September 2008 06:59 PM [Full View]
adanguniyaaaa....12 days? Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: NOV on 7th September 2008 07:57 PM [Full View]
Don't forget that hollywood movies take years to make.
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From: ajithfederer on 7th September 2008 10:35 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: equanimus on 8th September 2008 02:21 AM [Full View]
Wow! One of the watershed films in Tamil cinema was shot in 12 days?! Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: selvakumar on 8th September 2008 12:46 PM [Full View]
Saw the Coffee with Anu program. Balu Mahendra with his sishyans. Was quite surprised to hear his words on Mani Rathnam. He praised him a lot and wished him all the success. But "international" apadinnu sonnaru. Has mani gone the international level ? Has he done any thing like that ?
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From: Thalafanz on 8th September 2008 12:48 PM [Full View]
Well, his Hindi movie(s) are going the 'International' way... Take 'Guru' as an example... Originally Posted by selvakumar
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From: MrJudge on 8th September 2008 12:50 PM [Full View]
summA oru pEchchukku sonnathu, seriousA eduththikkAtheenga. Originally Posted by selvakumar
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From: Thalafanz on 8th September 2008 12:51 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MrJudge
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From: joe on 8th September 2008 12:53 PM [Full View]
Pls tell me you are joking Originally Posted by Thalafanz
Well, his Hindi movie(s) are going the 'International' way... Take 'Guru' as an example... Guru -international
Atleast times top 100 -la nayagan vanthuchu-grathai oru kaaraNama sonna kooda paravayilla ..oththukkalam.
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From: selvakumar on 8th September 2008 12:58 PM [Full View]
Thanks Joe. Now, I can understand the context with which he said that Originally Posted by joe
Pls tell me you are joking Originally Posted by Thalafanz
Well, his Hindi movie(s) are going the 'International' way... Take 'Guru' as an example... Guru -international
Atleast times top 100 -la nayagan vanthuchu-grathai oru kaaraNama sonna kooda paravayilla ..oththukkalam.
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From: P_R on 8th September 2008 01:15 PM [Full View]
Well he has gone international. In the sense that he is quite popular with the expat community - particularly Hindi movie watchers who are the bigger population. Guru premiered in Toronto. I guess this is what BM was referring to.
Glad to see him speak highly of MR. Point to note was, he was very measured in his praise for Mahendran - in fact subtly claimed some of the credit for Mullum Malarum.
Regarding Raam's narration, he claimed he had never been so impressed since MR. As a side note, has anyone seen Kokila ?
Most importantly, he gave the kaapi-tumbler to Bala :P
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From: joe on 8th September 2008 01:21 PM [Full View]
Is it ? Wow Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Most importantly, he gave the kaapi-tumbler to Bala :P
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From: Thirumaran on 8th September 2008 01:23 PM [Full View]
Oh yeah. He was very proud for him and mentioning him as his eldest son :P Originally Posted by joe
Is it ? Wow Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Most importantly, he gave the kaapi-tumbler to Bala :P
And more thing he said was Kamal was the reason he worked with Mahendran for the movie Mullum Malarum
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From: joe on 8th September 2008 01:24 PM [Full View]
That I know from Mahendran's book "Cinemavum Naanum" Originally Posted by Thirumaran
And more thing he said was Kamal was the reason he worked with Mahendran for the movie Mullum Malarum
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From: selvakumar on 8th September 2008 01:27 PM [Full View]
Vidu Yoga - Balu mahendra sonna ellathayum serious ah eduthakoodathunnui solluraar... coffee tumbler utpada ! Originally Posted by Thalafanz
Originally Posted by MrJudge
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From: P_R on 8th September 2008 01:32 PM [Full View]
I wish they had shown the veedu crew pic closer. Didn't catch it at all. The pic where he was sitting and discussing with Kamal was great - have seen that earlier.
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From: sarna_blr on 8th September 2008 01:35 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: MrJudge on 8th September 2008 02:27 PM [Full View]
Yes, they had a tussle long time back and Mahendran settled with Ashok Kumar after Mullum malarum. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Is it the same tamil dubbed Anik kapoor *ing O priya priya? Yes, I have seen it. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Yes, Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Most importantly, he gave the kaapi-tumbler to Bala :P
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From: P_R on 8th September 2008 02:35 PM [Full View]
Judge, I think you are referring to MR's debut - Pallavi Anupallavi.
I am referring to BM's debut film Kokila, starring Kamal (though I realize my post is misleading)
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From: MrJudge on 8th September 2008 02:40 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Sorry, yes that was pallavi anu pallavi. I haven't seen Kokila yet.
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From: equanimus on 8th September 2008 04:26 PM [Full View]
It is widely said that Mahendran and Balu Mahendra had fallen out with each other after 'muLLum malarum'. Incidentally, Bala has also mentioned about this in 'ivan dhAn bAlA', the series he wrote for 'Anandha vikatan'. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Yes, I have. A good film. So beautifully shot. Loved the performance of the beautiful Roja Ramani as well. (And, surely, Balu sir's camera loves her too.) That's about it. At the end of the day, nothing else in Balu sir's (directorial) oeuvre is a patch on his twin masterworks, 'vIdu' and 'sandhyA rAgam'. These two films stand out, and by a good margin, as far as I'm concerned. Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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From: rangan_08 on 8th September 2008 05:04 PM [Full View]
Was surprised to see Ram very delighted and in full spirits. During KT interview's he looked very sombre but this time he even laughed out heartily. Was it because he had Vetrimaran by his side ???
Anyway, the Guru, sishyans & an ardent fan (Seeman) made the show very lively.
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From: equanimus on 8th September 2008 05:17 PM [Full View]
It's funny, Rangan_08, I was also thinking the same when I was watching the show on TV. He was a lot more cheerful here compared to his other interviews. The difference between the demeanour of an artist and a student, I thought. Originally Posted by rangan_08
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From: crajkumar_be on 8th September 2008 06:39 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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From: Vivasaayi on 8th September 2008 07:26 PM [Full View]
veedu , sandhya ragam dvd enga kidaikum?
udhiri pookal dvd ku romba naal try panni...kadaiseela jaya tvla paathen
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From: villan007 on 8th September 2008 08:57 PM [Full View]
Moserbaer la vandhiruku Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: Nerd on 9th September 2008 09:43 PM [Full View]
I m sorry but what's watershed? Originally Posted by equanimus
Wow! One of the watershed films in Tamil cinema was shot in 12 days?! Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: Vivasaayi on 9th September 2008 09:58 PM [Full View]
a major turning point Originally Posted by Nerd
I m sorry but what's watershed? Originally Posted by equanimus
Wow! One of the watershed films in Tamil cinema was shot in 12 days?! Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Esp. for Director Shankar:
Barathiraja in AV, 1986: 16 Vayathinile padapidippu moththam 12 natkalil mudikkapattadhu
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From: MADDY on 10th September 2008 07:59 PM [Full View]
it just peeves me that according to global definition of cinematic terms like "commercial cinema" and "art cinema" etc etc, mahendran and perarasu belong to same genre - commercial cinema........maniratnam/kamalhassan are as much inspired just like M.raja or a prabhu deva Originally Posted by MADDY
//disgr// i dunno wat is "pure originality" here??? adaptations have always been a part of art's history.......i dont think a director is judged only for his content, its presentation of that content which is equally important....by ur analogy even shankar has never remade or lifted from anyone.......i think somewhere, we need to identify "global" parameters for defining a director's skill//end disgr// Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
//that is why i like bala - pure originality// ........where do we draw the line betn directors belonging to same genre??? we know that mani/kamal/mahendran are superior but what makes them superior? i remember kannannn posting abt this - how do we identify a great film/director - by its content or presentation or on those lines......it wud be great if people like PR,equa, CR, kannann, thilak etc etc tell us what they look for in a great film ......
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From: littlemaster1982 on 10th September 2008 08:02 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
maniratnam/kamalhassan are as much inspired just like M.raja or a prabhu deva
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From: MADDY on 10th September 2008 08:03 PM [Full View]
thats wat NOV meant in saroja thread , atleast thats wat i understood........i mean, its like someone saying "ok, whats the big deal in me lifting ideas, even kamal and maniratnam have done it".....how do you respond to them?? Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Originally Posted by MADDY
maniratnam/kamalhassan are as much inspired just like M.raja or a prabhu deva
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From: NOV on 10th September 2008 08:05 PM [Full View]
maddy, you could also add that personally I dont care too much about these inspirations.
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From: P_R on 10th September 2008 08:07 PM [Full View]
They are also "inspired" nu solraar. avvaLO dhaan. Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Originally Posted by MADDY
maniratnam/kamalhassan are as much inspired just like M.raja or a prabhu deva
Pertinent to quote these lines from Bob Dylan's song:
Open your eyes and ears and you are influenced
And there's nothing you can do about it
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From: littlemaster1982 on 10th September 2008 08:09 PM [Full View]
Not sure whether NOV meant this. But I have heard this line of argument. Ennattha solradhu Originally Posted by MADDY
thats wat NOV meant in saroja thread , atleast thats wat i understood........i mean, its like someone saying "ok, whats the big deal in me lifting ideas, even kamal and maniratnam have done it".....how do you respond to them?? Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Originally Posted by MADDY
maniratnam/kamalhassan are as much inspired just like M.raja or a prabhu deva
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From: Vivasaayi on 10th September 2008 08:12 PM [Full View]
maddy,
balas movies are based on charecterizations...not on any particular storyline basicaaly...atleast in nandha and pithamagan...there is no storyline
he just move the script and screenplay with the uniqueness of the charecterisations...which makes his movies look original...
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From: jaiganes on 11th September 2008 01:04 AM [Full View]
so Mr.Farmer - Bala's movies aren't original - they look like they are original right? Is that what you are saying or have I not understood you correct?
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From: MrJudge on 11th September 2008 11:32 AM [Full View]
Mahendran was original and Bala has been so far. They are standing on top of Everest.
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 12:09 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by jaiganes
i should have chosen the right words
its ofcourse damn original!
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 12:39 PM [Full View]
romba simple, tollywood'la irundhu inspire aagaama hollywood'la irundhu inspire aanaa superior Originally Posted by MADDY
it just peeves me that according to global definition of cinematic terms like "commercial cinema" and "art cinema" etc etc, mahendran and perarasu belong to same genre - commercial cinema........maniratnam/kamalhassan are as much inspired just like M.raja or a prabhu deva Originally Posted by MADDY
//disgr// i dunno wat is "pure originality" here??? adaptations have always been a part of art's history.......i dont think a director is judged only for his content, its presentation of that content which is equally important....by ur analogy even shankar has never remade or lifted from anyone.......i think somewhere, we need to identify "global" parameters for defining a director's skill//end disgr// Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
//that is why i like bala - pure originality// ........where do we draw the line betn directors belonging to same genre??? we know that mani/kamal are superior but what makes them superior? i remember kannannn posting abt this - how do we identify a great film/director - by its content or presentation or on those lines......it wud be great if people like PR,equa, CR, kannann, thilak etc etc tell us what they look for in a great film ......
and konjamaa copy adichchaa superior and fullaa or attacopy adichchaa not superior
its like chaaniya thottu nakkunaa thappu illa .... but alli thinnaadhaan thappunu solramaadhiri irukku thottu nakkunaa enna... alli thinnaa enna ... chaani chaani dhaana 
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 12:44 PM [Full View]
sarna,
in this world , any art form or any product of art cannot be completely original...it is inspired from otehrs in one way or other.
human brain dint bring all those asrtistic talents during birth.
everybody are inspired in one way or other!...
but doing exactly what others have done is idiotic!
the idea behind this is ...every artists works on an inspiration.but what matters is "how much they add to that inspiration from their side newly so that others are inspired from them" .
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 01:30 PM [Full View]
Vivasayi , ennOda aadhangamE vEra
oru simple vishayam sollurEn , bommaarillu ( telugu movie ) is a gem for me
and for somepeople Godfather is a gem wn Manirathnam/kamal tries to Indianise it , many say Maniratnam/kamal is superior :P
but Bommarillu is an Indian movie ( telugu lang ) and so there is no point to Indianise ( or thamizh paduththudhal ) it :P adha appadiyE thamizh'la edukkuradhula enna thappu irukku the same people who address mani/kamal as great directors, wont even respect M Raja as a director
yEn indha partiality
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From: VENKIRAJA on 11th September 2008 01:57 PM [Full View]
Then why remake it?Dub-paNNi apdiyE release paNNa vEndiyathu thAnE.Arguing from the side or Raja is a sin. Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Vivasayi , ennOda aadhangamE vEra
oru simple vishayam sollurEn , bommaarillu ( telugu movie ) is a gem for me
and for somepeople Godfather is a gem wn Manirathnam/kamal tries to Indianise it , many say Maniratnam/kamal is superior :P
but Bommarillu is an Indian movie ( telugu lang ) and so there is no point to Indianise ( or thamizh paduththudhal ) it :P adha appadiyE thamizh'la edukkuradhula enna thappu irukku the same people who address mani/kamal as great directors, wont even respect M Raja as a director
yEn indha partiality
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 03:03 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
this is my question :P y do u call it as sin
konjam maaththina padaththa keduththuttaanu solveenga, or it doesnt match the original'nu solveenga Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 03:06 PM [Full View]
Sarna,
Have you watched Godfather, Nayagan & Devar Magan? Paarthuttu appuram argue pannunga.
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 03:12 PM [Full View]
moonumE paaththirukkEn Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
but I couldnt understand the dialogues fully in GF wn I watched it thirumbavum oru dhadavai paakkanum with subtitles
Devarmagan is one of my favourite movie due to its kadhaikalam
and neenga Mani/kamal pOndra directors or creators'a ...everest alavukku pugazhaadheenga'nu sollala, but M Raja pOndra directors'a kEvalamaa paakkaadheenganu ( or pEsaadheenga) dhaan sollrEn
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 03:22 PM [Full View]
Mani & Kamal took the premise (OK, Mani used some scenes too) from Godfather and told it in their own way. As you have seen all the three films, I think I don't need to explain further.
But the only difference between Bommarillu and Santhosh Subramaniyam is the casting (and may be few dialogues). Raja did literally nothing on the part of movie making.
Ithukkappuramum 'Remake' Raja-vaiyum, Kamal/Mani-yaiyum compare panni pesuna enakkudhan adi vizhum.
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From: directhit on 11th September 2008 03:29 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Ravi made sure dialogues were in tamil and not telugu/genelia oru inch thalli ninnutirundhaanga remake la/hero kaal 2 adi thalliyirundhadhu appadinra creativity pathiyellam pesuvaanga appuram
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 03:40 PM [Full View]
Directhit I expected such kind of comment but not from u
Master, I agree with u but
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From: villan007 on 11th September 2008 03:44 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by directhit
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 04:15 PM [Full View]
oru jinna sandhegam Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Vivasayi , ennOda aadhangamE vEra
oru simple vishayam sollurEn , bommaarillu ( telugu movie ) is a gem for me
and for somepeople Godfather is a gem wn Manirathnam/kamal tries to Indianise it , many say Maniratnam/kamal is superior :P
but Bommarillu is an Indian movie ( telugu lang ) and so there is no point to Indianise ( or thamizh paduththudhal ) it :P adha appadiyE thamizh'la edukkuradhula enna thappu irukku the same people who address mani/kamal as great directors, wont even respect M Raja as a director
yEn indha partiality
tell me the similarities between godfather and nayakan other than "pindam vaikura scene,head scratching things"
romba naaLaa idha ketkanumnu irundhen...i really dont find any striking similarity between godfather and nayagan...except then execution of a couple of scenes
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From: rangan_08 on 11th September 2008 04:33 PM [Full View]
few " inspired " scenes.... Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
a) the very beginning, where a man says, " I believe in America.." and meets the don with an obligation - ARS scene
b) the translation scene in Sicily, Italy, where Michael asks the man whether he can marry his daughter - beautifully adapted in the hospital scene
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 04:34 PM [Full View]
Vivasaayi indha kElvikku dhaana naan thottu nakkuradhu alliththinguradhu .... pErusaa vidhyaasam illainu sonnEn ( in one of my previous post ) Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
idhu ennamO thirumbavum modhalla irundhu aarambamaagura maadhiri theriyudhu
neenga 4 scene copy adichchaa thappillainu solreenga, naan moththappadamumE copy adichchaalum thappillainu solrEn
Wt I mean is Copy is Copy, quantity doesnt matter
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 04:37 PM [Full View]
adhathan naanum kekuren...edha thotu nakunangannu? Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Vivasaayi indha kElvikku dhaana naan thottu nakkuradhu allithinguradhu .... pErusaa vidhyaasam illainu sonnEn ( in one of my previous post ) Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
idhu ennamO thirumbavum modhalla irundhu aarambamaagura maadhiri theriyudhu
neenga 4 scene copy adichchaa thappillainu solreenga, naan moththappadamumE copy adichchaalum thappillainu solrEn
Wt I mean is Copy is Copy, quantity doesnt matter
the editing of the final church scene...editing,photography and all are technical aspects which needs to be adopted.if slow motion was introduced in a movie...u just cant say it shouldnt be adopted in another movie...
i mean the basic crux of the movies is itself different
going by ur argument "ulaga cinemala irukura ellarume thottu nakkirukanga"
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 04:44 PM [Full View]
Sarna,
Mudhalla indha analogy-ai maatthunga. Sagikkala
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From: rangan_08 on 11th September 2008 04:52 PM [Full View]
some more... Originally Posted by rangan_08
few " inspired " scenes.... Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
a) the very beginning, where a man says, " I believe in America.." and meets the don with an obligation - ARS scene
b) the translation scene in Sicily, Italy, where Michael asks the man whether he can marry his daughter - beautifully adapted in the hospital scene
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attempt to kill Michael & his wife in the bedroom - here they survive but Saranya gets killed in Nayakan
..in Devar Magan
Don falls dead while playing with his grandchild, so natural - again an excellent adaptation, Periyadevar dies surrounded by his grand children
Diane Keaton asks Michael when he meets her after a long time, " Why Michael ? " - Gowthami asks Kamal after seeing his wedding photo..and later...." Why Shakthi ?? "
I personally feel that all the above adaptations are perfectly ok for a tamil film because they still had their originality (mind you, I've used the word " inspired " in the beginning ).
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 04:53 PM [Full View]
Vivasaayi, konjam vEramaadhiri solla try pannurEn ( same matter dhaan ) Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
Take THE PRINCIPAL english movie, ( romba naalukku munnaala paaththadhu ) ... indha padaththukkum namma Kamal'Oda Nammavar'kum karu same, but neraya vidhyaasam irukku and andha padaththa appadiyE thamizh'la copy adikkavum mudiyaadhu because of scenes wr culture differs
and Avvashanmugi inspired from Mrs Doubtfire , Mrs Doubtfire'a appadiyE thamizh'la edukka mudiyumaa again so called culture difference
But Bommarillu, is there any need to change the story, or screenplay or dress or colour or wtever is there there is no need at all to change because it easy'ly fits to a Tamizh movie avoiding language so he did it as it is
and wts the big deal hear to praise Kamal to skyhigh and to say comparing Raja to Kamal/mani is a sin
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 05:01 PM [Full View]
Sarna, Originally Posted by sarna_blr
But Bommarillu, is there any need to change the story, or screenplay or dress or colour or wtever is there there is no need at all to change because it easy'ly fits to a Tamizh movie avoiding language so he did it as it is
There are no open top buses in Chennai. Andha oru scene-ai kooda maattha mudiyaadha Raja-vukku
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 05:07 PM [Full View]
sarna,
let me tell u in another way!
akira kurasawa made "yojimbo"
the basic storyline was used exactly by sergio leone in "fisful of dollars" - due to mix up with royalty payments he dint give credits to "yojimbo" afaik
does that make leone a copycat like raja?
leone made a movie with a unique style which made his a legend...there lies the difference
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 05:07 PM [Full View]
agreed LM Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Sarna, Originally Posted by sarna_blr
But Bommarillu, is there any need to change the story, or screenplay or dress or colour or wtever is there there is no need at all to change because it easy'ly fits to a Tamizh movie avoiding language so he did it as it is
There are no open top buses in Chennai. Andha oru scene-ai kooda maattha mudiyaadha Raja-vukku
so ur point is Raja doent have creativity at all
idhu maadhiri eththana scenes irukku LM
and FYI Hyderabad'la kooda dhaan open-top buses kedayaadhu
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 05:09 PM [Full View]
I know this. Idhukku peru-dhaan Eee-adichaan copy. Original-la irundha thappai kooda maatthaama edukkaradhu. Originally Posted by sarna_blr
agreed LM Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Sarna, Originally Posted by sarna_blr
But Bommarillu, is there any need to change the story, or screenplay or dress or colour or wtever is there there is no need at all to change because it easy'ly fits to a Tamizh movie avoiding language so he did it as it is
There are no open top buses in Chennai. Andha oru scene-ai kooda maattha mudiyaadha Raja-vukku
so ur point is Raja doent have creativity at all
idhu maadhiri eththana scenes irukku LM
and FYI Hyderabad'la kooda dhaan open-top buses kedayaadhu
'Vellithirai' too is a remake of a Malayalam film (Udhayanaanu Thaaram). Though it wasn't good as original, you can see Viji had actually made quite a few changes in screenplay. Climax was executed better in Tamil version.
Idhu maadhiri Raja-vum edhaavadhu panni irundhaa kooda neenga kekkaradhula nyaayam irukku. Support pannanume-nu pesa koodathu
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 05:21 PM [Full View]
I guess this might be the reason behind not changing any scene Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
I know this. Idhukku peru-dhaan Eee-adichaan copy. Original-la irundha thappai kooda maatthaama edukkaradhu.
'Vellithirai' too is a remake of a Malayalam film (Udhayanaanu Thaaram). Though it wasn't good as original, you can see Viji had actually made quite a few changes in screenplay. Climax was executed better in Tamil version.
Idhu maadhiri Raja-vum edhaavadhu panni irundhaa kooda neenga kekkaradhula nyaayam irukku. Support pannanume-nu pesa koodathu
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From: selvakumar on 11th September 2008 05:22 PM [Full View]
This is what I perceive as a primary difference b/w others, Raja and hack directors (Thanks to my friend Groucho for the word).
Others (Mani and all - not sure on kamal since I haven't seen the eng movies quoted except Godfather) : They adapt good things found in movies and develop their own product.. (mostly)
Hack Directors (KSR) : They take a MAIN IDEA and develop it with their own hacks here and there. The product still will have their TOUCH
Raja : He takes a MAIN IDEA, REPRODUCES it with all the nuances of the original. Original director telugu mess ah kaamichirunda, ivarum kaamippaar.. .athey peroda.. telugula ezuthi irunthaalum naamellam shock aaga koodaathu
Nadippukkum - mimicrykkum evvalavu vithyaasamaoe, athu maari vithyaasam mathavangalukku rajavukkum.. strictly IMO
Sari... Telugu la padam eduthavan etho oru karpanaila koorai illatha bus ah kaamichuttaaan (avan entha english padatha paarthu antha bus ah adichaanoe ! )
Raja chennaila poranthavar thaanae... illai muzhukka muzhukka andhra la padichavara Avarukku theriyanumla chennaila koorai illatha bus illennu..
I laughed like anything when I saw the houses painted in THICK BLUE, ORANGE, RED COLOURS in Something something.
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 05:25 PM [Full View]
good one! Originally Posted by selvakumar
Nadippukkum - mimicrykkum evvalavu vithyaasamaoe, athu maari vithyaasam mathavangalukku rajavukkum.. strictly IMO
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 05:26 PM [Full View]
original had "jagathy srikumar" - the genius ,mohan lal and srinivasan Originally Posted by sarna_blr
I guess this might be the reason behind not changing any scene Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
I know this. Idhukku peru-dhaan Eee-adichaan copy. Original-la irundha thappai kooda maatthaama edukkaradhu.
'Vellithirai' too is a remake of a Malayalam film (Udhayanaanu Thaaram). Though it wasn't good as original, you can see Viji had actually made quite a few changes in screenplay. Climax was executed better in Tamil version.
Idhu maadhiri Raja-vum edhaavadhu panni irundhaa kooda neenga kekkaradhula nyaayam irukku. Support pannanume-nu pesa koodathu
no comparison whatsoever...
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 05:29 PM [Full View]
Now you have come to the point. Raja doesn't have any creativity or confidence to do something of his own. Adhaan Ee-adichaan copy. Originally Posted by sarna_blr
I guess this might be the reason behind not changing any scene Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
I know this. Idhukku peru-dhaan Eee-adichaan copy. Original-la irundha thappai kooda maatthaama edukkaradhu.
'Vellithirai' too is a remake of a Malayalam film (Udhayanaanu Thaaram). Though it wasn't good as original, you can see Viji had actually made quite a few changes in screenplay. Climax was executed better in Tamil version.
Idhu maadhiri Raja-vum edhaavadhu panni irundhaa kooda neenga kekkaradhula nyaayam irukku. Support pannanume-nu pesa koodathu
Idhula perumaiya interview vera 'En padangallaiye Santhosh Subramaniam-dhaan best". Sirikkaradha, azhuvaradhaa-nu theriyala
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From: selvakumar on 11th September 2008 05:32 PM [Full View]
LM, I heard Raja is going to direct a STRAIGHT TAMIL MOVIE for the FIRST TIME Who knows - we might get a better director. nambuvoem
Before SaSu release, Raja's statement
'ஜெனிலியா கெரக்டருக்காக பல நாட்கள் தவமிருந்தேன்'
My question : Ethukku !
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 05:33 PM [Full View]
Yaarachum idhu maadhiri edukka mattaangala-nnu Originally Posted by selvakumar
LM, I heard Raja is going to direct a STRAIGHT TAMIL MOVIE for the FIRST TIME Who knows - we might get a better director. nambuvoem
Before SaSu release, Raja's statement
'ஜெனிலியா கெரக்டருக்காக பல நாட்கள் தவமிருந்தேன்'
My question : Ethukku !
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From: Thirumaran on 11th September 2008 05:44 PM [Full View]
ithellaam vaerayaa Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Idhula perumaiya interview vera 'En padangallaiye Santhosh Subramaniam-dhaan best". Sirikkaradha, azhuvaradhaa-nu theriyala
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From: rangan_08 on 11th September 2008 05:49 PM [Full View]
THAPPU... Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Idhula perumaiya interview vera 'En padangallaiye Santhosh Subramaniam-dhaan best". Sirikkaradha, azhuvaradhaa-nu theriyala It should have been, " Naan re-proDuce panna paDangaLileye...."
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 05:49 PM [Full View]
Creativity illainu sollamudiyaadhu, edhukku risk'nu vittirukkalaam ( idha neenga confidence illainum sollalaam Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Now you have come to the point. Raja doesn't have any creativity or confidence to do something of his own. Adhaan Ee-adichaan copy.
Idhula perumaiya interview vera 'En padangallaiye Santhosh Subramaniam-dhaan best". Sirikkaradha, azhuvaradhaa-nu theriyala )
yEdhO direct tamizh movie pannappOraaraamE, Let us wait and see , whether Raja has creativity or not
but idhukkaaga, Raja is worth for nothing or supporting raja is sin ( ungala illa LM ) nu solradhelaam sariyilla
and interview part .... naan adha paakkalaa, appadiyE irundhaalum endha director dhaan naan appadiyE copy adichchirukkEn'nu oththukkittirukkaanga Mani/kamal'la irundhu nEththu vandha kuppanum/suppanum'nu ellaarum idhayE dhaan solraanga wts the big deal
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From: Thirumaran on 11th September 2008 05:54 PM [Full View]
Well Said! Originally Posted by sarna_blr
yEdhO direct tamizh movie pannappOraaraamE, Let us wait and see , whether Raja has creativity or not Athu varaikkum let us not include Raja in the Director's list. End of argument. All, please take rest
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From: selvakumar on 11th September 2008 05:59 PM [Full View]
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From: MADDY on 11th September 2008 06:00 PM [Full View]
i'm trying to find the link where maniratnam proves that there was a scene from nayagan which came in godfather-3.........godfather-3 incidentally released after nayagan
sarna, as much as its a sacrliege to write r*** and maniratnam/kamalhassan on same line, its equally sacreligious to say that we have lots of "original" works of kamal/maniratnam to show in comparison......but situation demands
this is wat i meant y;day, i have met lot of such people who just love to put maniratnam/kamalhassan in same bracket as remake-rajas.....BP tablets engappa
rangan_08, "why sakthi" has come in almost all maniratnam movies - "en meghana" from uyire comes to my mind instantly....
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 06:01 PM [Full View]
idhu maadhiri sonnadhu naaladhaan arguement'E start aanadhu Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Well Said! Originally Posted by sarna_blr
yEdhO direct tamizh movie pannappOraaraamE, Let us wait and see , whether Raja has creativity or not Athu varaikkum let us not include Raja in the Director's list. End of argument. All, please take rest
TM anna, idhukku acting photo-copyfying example irukku
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From: Thirumaran on 11th September 2008 06:05 PM [Full View]
You need to drink complan and eat vendaikaai Originally Posted by sarna_blr
idhu maadhiri sonnadhu naaladhaan arguement'E start aanadhu
TM anna, idhukku acting photo-copyfying example irukku Vittaa swathy avatar poatirukarathaala, neeyum azhagaathaan irukaennu solluva poalirukae Sari enakku time aachu
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From: rangan_08 on 11th September 2008 06:06 PM [Full View]
Maddy, adhu Devar Magan... Originally Posted by MADDY
rangan_08, "why sakthi" has come in almost all maniratnam movies - "en meghana" from uyire comes to my mind instantly....
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From: Vivasaayi on 11th September 2008 06:08 PM [Full View]
sakthivel - in nayagan,thevar magan,sathi leelavathi
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From: sarna_blr on 11th September 2008 06:12 PM [Full View]
TM anna, idhu comedy thread illa Originally Posted by Thirumaran
You need to drink complan and eat vendaikaai Originally Posted by sarna_blr
idhu maadhiri sonnadhu naaladhaan arguement'E start aanadhu
TM anna, idhukku acting photo-copyfying example irukku Vittaa swathy avatar poatirukarathaala, neeyum azhagaathaan irukaennu solluva poalirukae Sari enakku time aachu
sollakkoodaadhunu nenachchaalum solla vakkureengalE
dig/// Al-pacinO'vOda acting'a appadiyE copy adikkuraarundradhukkaaga, Kamal'a nalla actor illainu solla mudiyumaa // end
PS>.. idhukku mudinjaa badhil sollunga illaina indha pOst'a delete pannunga illEna digression'nu solli moththaththayum thaniyaa pirichchu dig'nu lock pannunga
and I am leaving for the day let me see whether this post here in this thread will be without getting deleted untill tommorrow morning
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From: VENKIRAJA on 11th September 2008 06:29 PM [Full View]
Sarna?Ennathukku rAjA-vukku neenga support panreenga?Like,give me a reason.You liked this,you like that,etc.(There is basically nothing to like in him.)
"appudO ippudO.." pAtta telugu-la sidharth pAdinAr.avarE thAn tamizh-layum pAdiyirukAr.As I had told earlier,Raghasudha picks up the phone and says "intiki rArA!",here geetha says "veetukku vAdA".Even the green dress-a pOtukattumA,blue dress-a pOtukkatumA wasn't changed!Genelia's costumes also were photocopied!And if you notice,the opening shot of google-earth like stuff with anuhassan was shot in hyderabad where the bommarillu guys did it,in the same roads.Also,the temple where sidharth meets genelia was the same.If you see,these things could have atleast changed.Why didn't he do *his* story after 4 long years in the industry?And you say this isn't a sin to keep Manirathnam and Raja on the same level?Raja isn't a director.He is a dubbing supervisor.If he makes an original movie,appuRam pArkalAm.ippOthaikku
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From: MADDY on 11th September 2008 06:31 PM [Full View]
theriyum saar...... Originally Posted by rangan_08
Maddy, adhu Devar Magan... Originally Posted by MADDY
rangan_08, "why sakthi" has come in almost all maniratnam movies - "en meghana" from uyire comes to my mind instantly.... i meant that dialogue comes in almost all the mani movies - yen edhukku dialogues
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From: littlemaster1982 on 11th September 2008 07:48 PM [Full View]
Edho pattimandra theerppu maadhiri solringa. Appadiye irukkattum Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Creativity illainu sollamudiyaadhu, edhukku risk'nu vittirukkalaam ( idha neenga confidence illainum sollalaam )
yEdhO direct tamizh movie pannappOraaraamE, Let us wait and see , whether Raja has creativity or not
Idhuvaraikkum Raja panna edhuvum support pandra level-kku illa (atleast for me).but idhukkaaga, Raja is worth for nothing or supporting raja is sin ( ungala illa LM ) nu solradhelaam sariyilla
Avaru copy adichen-nu otthukkalainna, yaarukkum theriyaadha enna? Avar othukka kooda venaam, ellaatthaiyum thaane paanna maadhiri pesaradhaiyaavadhu nirutthikkalamand interview part .... naan adha paakkalaa, appadiyE irundhaalum endha director dhaan naan appadiyE copy adichchirukkEn'nu oththukkittirukkaanga
Neenga marupadiyum Mani/Kamal-ai kondu vareenga. Enakku Vadivelu dialogue-dhan gnabagatthukku varudhu.Mani/kamal'la irundhu nEththu vandha kuppanum/suppanum'nu ellaarum idhayE dhaan solraanga wts the big deal
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From: jaiganes on 11th September 2008 07:48 PM [Full View]
Seriously speaking... Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
I was seeing Terms of Endearment in TV and there is a scene where shirley mclaine and Jack nicholson dirve their convertible on the beach and Jack Nicholson is standing in the car and when she applies the brakes, he does a somersault and lands in the water. The scene is faithfully replicated in Nayagan as Karthika learning to drive and kamal lands in the water. Neraya padam paartha engendhu ethhanai sutrukaangannu nalla theryiyum. Originality pathi namma thamizh cinemavil yaarume ippodhaikku pesak koodaadhunnu naan panjaayathula kettukaren.
Just that we have not seen the movie our best works are inspired from. BTW Bangkok Dangerous which was copied as pattiyal is being remade in English with Nicholas Cage - only difference is that the remake is done by acknowledgement legally safe. Our filmmakers do that without acknowledging the original and they deserve their films to be seen in Thiruttu VCD or DVD!!!
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From: ajithfederer on 11th September 2008 09:02 PM [Full View]
One more
Al pacino at the starting of Godfather never wants to be in the family business but he is forced to take it cos of an incompetent brother and he does those murders.
Sakthi (Kamal) wants to leave the town but he is forced to take the responsibility and murders Nasser.
Originally Posted by rangan_08
some more... Originally Posted by rangan_08
few " inspired " scenes.... Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
a) the very beginning, where a man says, " I believe in America.." and meets the don with an obligation - ARS scene
b) the translation scene in Sicily, Italy, where Michael asks the man whether he can marry his daughter - beautifully adapted in the hospital scene
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attempt to kill Michael & his wife in the bedroom - here they survive but Saranya gets killed in Nayakan
..in Devar Magan
Don falls dead while playing with his grandchild, so natural - again an excellent adaptation, Periyadevar dies surrounded by his grand children
Diane Keaton asks Michael when he meets her after a long time, " Why Michael ? " - Gowthami asks Kamal after seeing his wedding photo..and later...." Why Shakthi ?? "
I personally feel that all the above adaptations are perfectly ok for a tamil film because they still had their originality (mind you, I've used the word " inspired " in the beginning ).
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From: Nerd on 11th September 2008 10:47 PM [Full View]
neengaLLAm last 3 pages padicheengaLA illayA the whole discussion was about how much saani one can eat
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From: ajithfederer on 11th September 2008 10:50 PM [Full View]
Nayakkar, Thevar and Gounder respectively
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 08:12 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by jaiganes
and originality thaan mukkiyam endru solbavargal thamizh cinemava paarkka koodaadhu.
AFAI am concerned, SaSu is a gem of a movie. If it was not in tamil, I would have missed it. Same goes to movies like VRMBBS, etc.
I have watched both Avvai Shanmughi and Mrs Doubtfire, and prefer the former. This is spite of Kamal saying with a straight face in an interview, "why can't someone in hollywood and someone here have the same idea!"
Hardly anyone accepts they copy or are inspired and it even goes for ppl like Gautam and his PKMC. What makes me mad is when he thinks he is great enough to diss Bheema.
Anyway, I agree that Raja is no great director (is he even one?) but all his movies so far have been very entertaining, not to mention BO hits.
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From: jaiganes on 12th September 2008 09:24 AM [Full View]
Ennannaa ippadi sollittaeL! Originally Posted by NOV
Originally Posted by jaiganes
and originality thaan mukkiyam endru solbavargal thamizh cinemava paarkka koodaadhu.
AFAI am concerned, SaSu is a gem of a movie. If it was not in tamil, I would have missed it. Same goes to movies like VRMBBS, etc.
I have watched both Avvai Shanmughi and Mrs Doubtfire, and prefer the former. This is spite of Kamal saying with a straight face in an interview, "why can't someone in hollywood and someone here have the same idea!"
Hardly anyone accepts they copy or are inspired and it even goes for ppl like Gautam and his PKMC. What makes me mad is when he thinks he is great enough to diss Bheema.
Anyway, I agree that Raja is no great director (is he even one?) but all his movies so far have been very entertaining, not to mention BO hits.
ippo innaa matteru diskosanla keedhunnaa,
aarupa sooper diratakkarunnu kettadhu dhaan.
copy adikkaama pass panra puLlinga dhaan,
aduththavam paperai sidelai look vuttu pass panra tharudhalaya vuda sooper studentunnu vaaththiyaaru solra kanakka, mudinja varaikkum aduththavan ideala alwa kudukkaravanai kaichu kattunnu dhaan best diratakkar samaacharathula naan sollikinenba.
nee ennaanna copy adikkara paiyanukku dhaan gold medal kudukkanumnu sollikiriye pa!! badaa soakka kedhuba nee sollra matteru. nattamai post vechukine neee ibdi sollitiye ba!!
bada bejaara poodchuba!!
indha oru G naalu T matterla namma paiyya diratakkaru sridhar dhaanba #1 rank vaanguraaru!
Aana aththai maathram paaka koodadhu.
Edhukku sonnaenna kudhiraya car oatta vechu padam eduththa devaru, paambai type writing coursele saeththu vutta Raama naaarayananlaam yosichcha maadhiri englees kaaran inna,china kaaran kooda yoasichirukka maatanba. ennaannu solra?
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 09:34 AM [Full View]
Nowhere have I said that Raja is a good director. I only said that SaSu is a good movie (relatively of course).
If you ask me who is the Best Director, then without doubt its K. Balachander. those were the golden days of cinema.
if originality is the only thing that matters, why only devar and ramanarayanan, there are many others too, no matter that the end product is unwatchable.
p/s: altho I enjoy (the copied) chennai senthamizh song, I hate the slang, jai.
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From: jaiganes on 12th September 2008 09:38 AM [Full View]
appdiyaa? Originally Posted by NOV
Nowhere have I said that Raja is a good director. I only said that SaSu is a good movie (relatively of course).
If you ask me who is the Best Director, then without doubt its K. Balachander. those were the golden days of cinema.
p/s: altho I enjoy (the copied) chennai senthamizh song, I hate the slang, jai.
appdinnaa sari.
u hate this slang?
enku sema kushiyaayduchuba (Naan mikka magizhchi adaindhaen)(I very happiness got)
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From: rangan_08 on 12th September 2008 11:31 AM [Full View]
Ok guys, those who are willing to take their today’s share of “ Saani “ are most welcome.
Now, coming back to Raja…..Psycho was re-made a few years back by director Gus Van Sant starring Vince Vaughn & Anne Heche. It was a frame by frame rip-off but they did it by openly declaring that it’s a frame by frame remake. Well, Raja could have followed this example for SaSu.
I classify films as entertainment & enlightening. Some directors make films that only entertain us. And some, make films in which the audience have an opportunity to take part in that journey, try to get what the film maker tries to convey and finally discern their own notions. For both the categories a catalyst or an inspiration is inevitable.
As Venkiraja said, Leone made “Fist full of Dollars” inspired by “Yojimbo”. And, Kurosawa made “Roshomon” inspired by a book written by a Japanese writer (and where did this Jap.writer got his inpiration from ???).
I read this piece in 1998 in a special edition of a famous magazine. But it is vivid in my memory just for the sheer audacity of the statement. Here it goes…..Once at the Cannes festival, Jean Luc Godard, the film maker who disregarded the conventions of film narration, entered into a debate with one of France’s senior director. At one point of time, the exasperated Sr. dir. remarked, “ Surely Monsieur Godard, you do atleast acknowledge the necessity of having a beginning, middle and end in your films”. “ Certainly”, Godard replied, “ But not necessarily in that order”. That’s the confidence a creator should have in himself. But even Godard himself was inspired by the works of his contemporary Fracois Truffaut..
While talking about great director’s in tamil, NOV recommended K. Balachander and of course, there are lot of other great directors also. But, we can also welcome with open hands, the great man K. Bhagyaraj who, I suppose did some original scripts with all the necessary entertainment elements and we all know how he ruled the roost for nearly two decades. And, he must also have had his inspirations from various sources, like his own experiences, from the people whom he have met etc. Though his films were very successful, they cannot be qualified for global panorama for obvious reasons of including entertainment elements like songs, fight etc and of course for the lack of technical brilliance. Now, that’s were people like Satyajit Ray, Mrinal Sen, Shyam Benegal, Adoor,Gautam Ghose etc. take the lead. But ultimately all of these directors made films for the people.
Hence, I conclude that it is in the hands of every individual to develop their skills to identify good films and appreciate them. We should decide what we should see and what should be rejected according to our likes. But in that process, making comparisons, taking sides and glorifying a particular individual or creation and arguing for that cause, will only lead to unhealthy environment.
Regardnig “ getting inspired “, Prabhuram had once pm’med me a wonderful lyric by Bob Dylan. I request him to post it here now.
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From: sarna_blr on 12th September 2008 11:39 AM [Full View]
and to all who are bashing Raja
Why I am giving respect to Raja is
1... he didnt take any kEvalamaana masaaalaas from telugu and remade in tamil and tortured tamizh audience
2.. he didnt go for dark movies wr only raththam, kolai , kaattEriththanam, jamukkujappaajamachchikkam pOndra vengaayaththanamaana maangaa direction pannala
simple'aa sollanum'naa he gave some decent movies
so he deserves some respect but I didnt expect it
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From: sarna_blr on 12th September 2008 12:22 PM [Full View]
vEnkat simple'aa sollanum he has given some decent movies that too copying from Telugu film industry Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Sarna?Ennathukku rAjA-vukku neenga support panreenga?Like,give me a reason.You liked this,you like that,etc.(There is basically nothing to like in him.)
"appudO ippudO.." pAtta telugu-la sidharth pAdinAr.avarE thAn tamizh-layum pAdiyirukAr.As I had told earlier,Raghasudha picks up the phone and says "intiki rArA!",here geetha says "veetukku vAdA".Even the green dress-a pOtukattumA,blue dress-a pOtukkatumA wasn't changed!Genelia's costumes also were photocopied!And if you notice,the opening shot of google-earth like stuff with anuhassan was shot in hyderabad where the bommarillu guys did it,in the same roads.Also,the temple where sidharth meets genelia was the same.If you see,these things could have atleast changed.Why didn't he do *his* story after 4 long years in the industry?And you say this isn't a sin to keep Manirathnam and Raja on the same level?Raja isn't a director.He is a dubbing supervisor.If he makes an original movie,appuRam pArkalAm.ippOthaikku
telugu film industry'la aththipooththamaadhiri dhaan decent'aana padangal varum, adha appadiyE thamizh'a edukkuraar.. ok edhayum maaththaama ... wts the big deal
vEra enna vEnum
Hollywood industry'la eththanayO decent'aana padangal irukku , adhai ellaam vittuttu vettu kuththu, raththam, kaattEri, kola , karpazhippu ippadi'nu aruvarukkaththakka ( atleast for me ) and over exposing padangalayE thEdi pidichchu dhaan copy adikkuraanga examples thEvaiyillainu nenakkurEn
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 08:12 PM [Full View]
Just saw Jayam Kondan. Director is Kannan. Who is he? Not bad...
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From: Vivasaayi on 12th September 2008 08:15 PM [Full View]
maniratnam assistant.
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From: HonestRaj on 12th September 2008 08:18 PM [Full View]
Today who is the director for discussion:
Perarasu
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 08:19 PM [Full View]
Pls dont start comedy again. ippOthaan suththam pannEn... where is thirumaran>
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From: MADDY on 12th September 2008 08:20 PM [Full View]
none of his assistants are worth it Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
.........priya, susi, alagam perumal, now this guy ......even shaad ali was brilliant with Saathiya but was very bad with bunty/babli and jhom barabar jhoom
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From: HonestRaj on 12th September 2008 08:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by NOV
Pls dont start comedy again. ippOthaan suththam pannEn... where is thirumaran>
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From: Nerd on 12th September 2008 08:23 PM [Full View]
Next in the line is simran!! Originally Posted by MADDY
none of his assistants are worth it Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
.........priya, susi, alagam perumal, now this guy ......even shaad ali was brilliant with Saathiya but was very bad with bunty/babli and jhom barabar jhoom
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From: Vivasaayi on 12th September 2008 08:23 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
none of his assistants are worth it Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
.........priya, susi, alagam perumal, now this guy ......even shaad ali was brilliant with Saathiya but was very bad with bunty/babli and jhom barabar jhoom
i think mani does all the work by himself
or the assistants become lethargic because of sophidtications provided by mani
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 08:24 PM [Full View]
I think he has done a decent job in Jayam Kondan. Not MR standards, but decent enough.
I like susi ganesan - a breath of fresh air. :P
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From: HonestRaj on 12th September 2008 08:27 PM [Full View]
This week (12-sep) AV re-published a small
interview of Mani (1986) pre-nayakan
One doubt is cleared:
Mani About Idhayakovil:
andha padathu producers'eh andha padatha eppadi eppadi edukkanumnu mudivu panni vechurunthanga... nan eduthu kuduthaen.. adhu en script illai
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From: joe on 12th September 2008 08:33 PM [Full View]
Azhagam perumaL's DUM DUM DUM nalla thaane irunthuchu
Then what happpened to his direction (other than acting)?
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From: MADDY on 12th September 2008 08:34 PM [Full View]
my long time "mana uruthhal" cleared Originally Posted by HonestRaj
.......it looked hardly a maniratnam film ......ofcourse raaja;s music was divine
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 08:36 PM [Full View]
I have a lot of respect for Shankar's sishyans too... from Balaji Sakthivel to Simbudevan
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From: MADDY on 12th September 2008 08:37 PM [Full View]
ennadhu Simranaaaa Originally Posted by Nerd
Next in the line is simran!! Originally Posted by MADDY
none of his assistants are worth it Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
.........priya, susi, alagam perumal, now this guy ......even shaad ali was brilliant with Saathiya but was very bad with bunty/babli and jhom barabar jhoom
Alagam perumal was indeed good in Dum*3......but again, u cant call it a maniratnam's asst's film.......just compare mani's assistants to KB's assistants or BR's assistants or balu mahendra;s assistants - they are not just there....
viv, mani is a bayangara tension party on sets.........i dont think his assistants have a easy time
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From: MADDY on 12th September 2008 08:38 PM [Full View]
shankar's assistants are gems Originally Posted by NOV
.....balaji sakthivel, simbu devan, vasantha balan ......
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From: selvakumar on 12th September 2008 08:39 PM [Full View]
Joot apadinnu oru padam Srikanth ah vachi eduthaar Originally Posted by joe
Azhagam perumaL's DUM DUM DUM nalla thaane irunthuchu
Then what happpened to his direction (other than acting)?
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From: Nerd on 12th September 2008 08:39 PM [Full View]
AP directed joot with srikanth
Susi's virumbukiREn was decent, but it was a colossal flop.
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From: HonestRaj on 12th September 2008 08:41 PM [Full View]
because of delay in release Originally Posted by Nerd
AP directed joot with srikanth
Susi's virumbukiREn was decent, but it was a colossal flop.
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From: MADDY on 12th September 2008 08:42 PM [Full View]
which was a hit actually Originally Posted by selvakumar
Joot apadinnu oru padam Srikanth ah vachi eduthaar Originally Posted by joe
Azhagam perumaL's DUM DUM DUM nalla thaane irunthuchu
Then what happpened to his direction (other than acting)? .......currently he is acting in selvaraghavan;s Ayirathil oruvan........i heard he has a directorial project in Hindi to remake a hit tamil film.......he is in touch with ARR for music of that project
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 08:46 PM [Full View]
which movies? Originally Posted by MADDY
shankar's assistants are gems .....balaji sakthivel, simbu devan, vasantha balan ......
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From: joe on 12th September 2008 08:47 PM [Full View]
veyils Originally Posted by NOV
which movies? Originally Posted by MADDY
shankar's assistants are gems .....balaji sakthivel, simbu devan, vasantha balan ......
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From: HonestRaj on 12th September 2008 08:47 PM [Full View]
Album
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From: NOV on 12th September 2008 08:49 PM [Full View]
oic
looks like we are not lacking in good directors.
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From: crajkumar_be on 13th September 2008 02:25 PM [Full View]
Dum Dum Dum was decent IMO... Originally Posted by MADDY
none of his assistants are worth it Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
.........priya, susi, alagam perumal, now this guy ......even shaad ali was brilliant with Saathiya but was very bad with bunty/babli and jhom barabar jhoom
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From: sarna_blr on 15th September 2008 10:51 AM [Full View]
you mean low budget Shankar Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Today who is the director for discussion:
Perarasu
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From: sarna_blr on 15th September 2008 10:53 AM [Full View]
and Shankers only DECENT (a VERY GOOD MOVIE) movie was MUDHALVAN and remaining all were GARBAGES
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From: Nerd on 21st September 2008 11:40 AM [Full View]
Behindwoods has come up with a list of 25 top directors of kollywood. They also took BO performance of their movies into account I assume:
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-mov...directors.html
Top 5
5. Selvaraghavan
4. Ameer
3. Bala
2. Shankar
1. Mani Ratnam
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From: VENKIRAJA on 21st September 2008 11:53 AM [Full View]
Susi Ganesan,Venkatprabhu,Vishnu,ARM,GM,Ameer above KSR?Ameer above Selvaraghavan?
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From: joe on 21st September 2008 12:01 PM [Full View]
VishnuVardhan , Susi ganesan above Cheran Nonsense
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From: NOV on 21st September 2008 07:36 PM [Full View]
top five seems fine to me.
Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
KSR has no place in best directors list.
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From: selvakumar on 23rd September 2008 12:19 PM [Full View]
Ya... Same goes to Shankar Originally Posted by NOV
KSR has no place in best directors list.
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From: sarna_blr on 23rd September 2008 12:26 PM [Full View]
Shankar at second place Originally Posted by Behindwood
then perarasu should hold 3rd place
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 12:27 PM [Full View]
Indian?Gentleman? Originally Posted by sarna_blr
and Shankers only DECENT (a VERY GOOD MOVIE) movie was MUDHALVAN and remaining all were GARBAGES
And NOV,you mean to say guys like Susi Ganesan,ARM,VP,VV are better than KSR? And it is about the current status.If so,lemme have a look at your top 10 sans KSR
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From: sarna_blr on 23rd September 2008 12:32 PM [Full View]
atleast for me Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Indian?Gentleman? Originally Posted by sarna_blr
and Shankers only DECENT a VERY GOOD MOVIE) movie was MUDHALVAN and remaining all were GARBAGES
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 12:50 PM [Full View]
without a shadow of doubt. Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 12:52 PM [Full View]
good that you agree with my ranking of KSR. But unfortunately I cannot agree with your ranking of Shankar. Originally Posted by selvakumar
Ya... Same goes to Shankar Originally Posted by NOV
KSR has no place in best directors list.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 12:53 PM [Full View]
Right. Originally Posted by NOV
without a shadow of doubt. Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
VirumbukiREn,5 star and thiruttu payalE are better than PuriyAtha puthir,panchathanthiram,varalAru and all other KSR crap.
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 12:56 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
now you see the light.
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From: selvakumar on 23rd September 2008 12:58 PM [Full View]
If you agree with the ranking of Shankar, KSR should be way above him. Sorry - I beg to differ on your ranking of directors esp when compared to others in the list. Originally Posted by NOV
good that you agree with my ranking of KSR. But unfortunately I cannot agree with your ranking of Shankar. Originally Posted by selvakumar
Ya... Same goes to Shankar Originally Posted by NOV
KSR has no place in best directors list.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 12:58 PM [Full View]
VP and VV copy stuff. :X(I suppose you would have seen Kurumbu and Virumbugiren to know their potential)
ARM too.Ghajni(inspite of being a mediocre rip-off)had scenes from Amelie/Fight club!Pathetic second half-even dheena .Ramana was good,but Stalin
I know nAttAmai,ethiree and samuthram will be brought in.vAzga.They are possibly his worst,but even then he was a trendsetter.Originality-to an extent&extraordinary skill.
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From: joe on 23rd September 2008 12:59 PM [Full View]
Putting Susi Ganesan above Cheran is really nonsense (without a shadow of the doubt)
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 01:01 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Putting Susi Ganesan above Cheran is really nonsense (without a shadow of the doubt)
Cheran is in my list of favourites excluding his MK! 
IMO,If it is of the recent past and near future::
1.MR
2.Bala
3.KSR
4.Cheran
5.Selvaraghavan
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From: sarna_blr on 23rd September 2008 01:01 PM [Full View]
Thiruttu payalE and VirumbugirEn are not crap Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
but Varalaaru and puriyaadha pudhir are craps
well feelings/opinions/taste differ but to extreme level is
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 01:02 PM [Full View]
idhu engEndhu vandhuchu? I didnt say this. Originally Posted by joe
Putting Susi Ganesan above Cheran is really nonsense (without a shadow of the doubt)
KSR = masala. thats why I dont place him in best directors list. That does not mean I dont enjoy his movies. I do. He has done some great comedy movies with Kamal and Ajith, which I like. aththOdu neruththikolvOm.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 01:02 PM [Full View]
It was meant to be satire sarna Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Thiruttu payalE and VirumbugirEn are not crap Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
but Varalaaru and puriyaadha pudhir are craps
well feelings/opinions/taste differ but to extreme level is I meant it the other way.
athAn-ku ethirpEchu Ethu?
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 01:04 PM [Full View]
venki, I dont have any quarrels with your list, since I understand you and that you prefer Ajith over Kamal and Sivaji. no more arguments from me.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 01:06 PM [Full View]
chellAthu chellAthu...! Originally Posted by NOV
idhu engEndhu vandhuchu? I didnt say this. Originally Posted by joe
Putting Susi Ganesan above Cheran is really nonsense (without a shadow of the doubt)
KSR = masala. thats why I dont place him in best directors list. That does not mean I dont enjoy his movies. I do. He has done some great comedy movies with Kamal and Ajith, which I like. aththOdu neruththikolvOm.
Tell me something about Susi ganesan.I'm sure the guy who wrote the article was either drunk or drugged.Why the hell is that -beep- included
Panchathanthiram was more than a comedy movie,come on.KSR is super-cool.And varalAru second half :P Even in samuthram,screenplay was fine.Padayappa is just treat!
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 01:09 PM [Full View]
padayappa aala vidu
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From: joe on 23rd September 2008 01:09 PM [Full View]
Why everybody forgot about Avvai Shanmugi (though inspired) and Padayappa from KSR.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 01:10 PM [Full View]
This is totally irrelevant.It ***king doesn't matter about me liking Ajith or Sivaji.Its about directors and directors alone.Ajith-Sivaji preference is partly based on my age.I already told you-I had seen more Ajith movies than Sivaji movies.I never said I hate him.He is a maverick and he is the best,as you say.But it doesn't matter whether I should like him the most because he is the best. Originally Posted by NOV
venki, I dont have any quarrels with your list, since I understand you and that you prefer Ajith over Kamal and Sivaji. no more arguments from me.
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From: joe on 23rd September 2008 01:10 PM [Full View]
NOV,
neenga sonnatha naan enga sonnen ..Intha thread-la kodukkapatta top directors list-la irukku.
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From: sarna_blr on 23rd September 2008 01:11 PM [Full View]
My top 5 favourites are Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Cheran is in my list of favourites excluding his MK!
IMO,If it is of the recent past and near future::
1.MR
2.Bala
3.KSR
4.Cheran
5.Selvaraghavan
1.. KB ( My all-time favourite )
2.. Cheran ( for me pokkisham )
3... Ameer ( great )
4.. Dharani ( mass-masala entertainer leaving kuruvi )
5... Myshkin ( AnjaadhE )
If Bala-Ajith issue hadnt happened, Bala would have been in 2nd place
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 01:11 PM [Full View]
mapla'kku kObam vandhiruchu.
mission accompalished
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From: sarna_blr on 23rd September 2008 01:12 PM [Full View]
same feelings Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Tell me something about Susi ganesan.I'm sure the guy who wrote the article was either drunk or drugged.Why the hell is that -beep- included
Panchathanthiram was more than a comedy movie,come on.KSR is super-cool.And varalAru second half :P Even in samuthram,screenplay was fine.Padayappa is just treat!
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 01:15 PM [Full View]
Fine,lemme explain.What is the story of padayappa...same rising from the ashes/challenging a rude woman story.Just look at the way KSR delivered the one-liner as a movie better than anyone-Suresh Krishna,Shankar,P.Vasu or the rest!Enough said.If you don't like him,I have no problems.But I mind if my choices are laughed upon. Originally Posted by NOV
padayappa aala vidu
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From: NOV on 23rd September 2008 01:19 PM [Full View]
venki, I never said I dont like him. avar onnum enakku jenma edhiri illa
padaiyappa, I have a problem.. a huge problem. but lets just leave it at that. :P
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 01:20 PM [Full View]
thenaikkum ithE pozappA pOchu...Next destination Classic comedy collection...anga vanthu saNda pOdalAm...but exam irukku... Originally Posted by NOV
mapla'kku kObam vandhiruchu.
mission accompalished
"hub-ku vanthA nachu nachu-nguRAnunga!"
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From: sarna_blr on 23rd September 2008 01:20 PM [Full View]
KSR's best entertainers, naan paarththa varayil
Padayappa is the best movie by KSR
PT is extremely funny movie rombavum jolly'yaana movie
Avvaishanmugi - a laugh riot
Villain
Varalaaru
Muthu
Dasavathaaram
etc
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From: P_R on 23rd September 2008 01:49 PM [Full View]
No. En Swasa KatrE director is one K.S.Ravi
Hence the confusion.
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From: HonestRaj on 23rd September 2008 11:11 PM [Full View]
Padayappa is almost an ulta of Annamalai .. u can see a few similar sequences here & there Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Fine,lemme explain.What is the story of padayappa...same rising from the ashes/challenging a rude woman story.Just look at the way KSR delivered the one-liner as a movie better than anyone-Suresh Krishna,Shankar,P.Vasu or the rest!Enough said.If you don't like him,I have no problems.But I mind if my choices are laughed upon. Originally Posted by NOV
padayappa aala vidu
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From: VENKIRAJA on 23rd September 2008 11:16 PM [Full View]
almost ellAm illai.ellAme oNNuthAn.SS fans Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Padayappa is almost an ulta of Annamalai .. u can see a few similar sequences here & there Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Fine,lemme explain.What is the story of padayappa...same rising from the ashes/challenging a rude woman story.Just look at the way KSR delivered the one-liner as a movie better than anyone-Suresh Krishna,Shankar,P.Vasu or the rest!Enough said.If you don't like him,I have no problems.But I mind if my choices are laughed upon. Originally Posted by NOV
padayappa aala vidu paNNa pORAinga..anyways,you say is aNNAmalai better than padayappA?
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From: HonestRaj on 23rd September 2008 11:25 PM [Full View]
Annamalai
malai'da....... it had everything for Rajini.. other one I liked is Padikkathavan
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From: VENKIRAJA on 24th September 2008 12:12 AM [Full View]
Vasanth?
Saran?
Better than the likes of susi ganesan.
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 07:53 PM [Full View]
vasanth patri perusa oru aviprayam illai.. but i like saran's film making style, his dialogues & camera angles Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Vasanth?
Saran?
Better than the likes of susi ganesan.
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 08:00 PM [Full View]
me too... I liked his touch in the arya movie... yaar tharuvaar indha ariyaasanam
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:04 PM [Full View]
I haven't gone through the list. Saran and Vasanth are indeed above susi. Susi had given two films.. Virumbugiraen and Thiruttu payalae.. athukku Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Vasanth?
Saran?
Better than the likes of susi ganesan.
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:05 PM [Full View]
Nov, u mean vattaram?
even I liked his Alli Arjuna... character names & the way they are called in the movie.. everything is different for a normal commercial tamil film
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:06 PM [Full View]
and Vasanth nalla padangal nerya koduthirukaarae.
Venki - aasai maranthuttiyaa
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:08 PM [Full View]
apart from aasai, keladi kanmani any other major hits? Originally Posted by selvakumar
and Vasanth nalla padangal nerya koduthirukaarae.
Venki - aasai maranthuttiyaa
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 08:10 PM [Full View]
yes, vattaaram... but wasnt he the owner of the horrendous gemini?
aasai was one helluva movie.
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:11 PM [Full View]
once i was watching Deva's interview.. he talks about his first chance to music a Rajini film & it is Annamalai..... "initially it was to be directed by Vasanth & just a day before pooja KB called Deva & told.. director is changed & ivanum ennoda sishyan than & that is suresh krishna...." (By Deva)
I donno how Annamalai wud be if it was by Vasanth
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:11 PM [Full View]
NOV,
A good director should be able to give successful masalas. veru dark theme mattum edukuravanga director illai.. again, this is my opinion. Gemini oru sema mass masala...
Saran is good in that..
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:13 PM [Full View]
intha vaaram ananda vikatan la "Antha 7 naatkal" review vanthirukku. They have give 58 marks
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:14 PM [Full View]
u hve to c how he made it a hit & how he used the mimicry talent of kalabhavan mani... i just said he is different & not comparing with anybody Originally Posted by NOV
yes, vattaaram... but wasnt he the owner of the horrendous gemini?
aasai was one helluva movie.
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 08:15 PM [Full View]
K Bakiaraj is AEN is one of the best movies ever made. JBC story....
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:15 PM [Full View]
But Saran had lost his touch. Idaya thirudan was
I didn't like Vattaram also.
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:16 PM [Full View]
Indha vaaram nan AV vangalai.. can anybody post the review ?
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 08:16 PM [Full View]
Vattaram was lost among the dozen deepavali releases that year.
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From: Nerd on 24th September 2008 08:16 PM [Full View]
vattAram was good, but gemini was horrendous.. IthellAm apdiyE varradhu dhAn, illa
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:20 PM [Full View]
I always wondered K Baghyaraj & his guru Barathiraaja's talents
also in recent interview, Barathiraja was asked whether he had admired the screenplay skills of Baghyaraj & he told "yes" & mentioned a specific scene in Idhu namma Aalu, where the senior iyer was shown as a good person for a while & at the end ofthe scene baghyaraj shown him as a thaan oru uyarndha sathi endra ennam udayavar (a slum boy gives the thundu for that iyer & he says adha neeye vechukko)
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:21 PM [Full View]
Dharmapuri was one among them Originally Posted by NOV
Vattaram was lost among the dozen deepavali releases that year. (IIRC)
but the tsunami of the diwali is "varalaaru"
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:23 PM [Full View]
I don't think he cud come back.. he has given some continuous flops starting with JJ, Idhaya thirudan & vattaram. Originally Posted by selvakumar
But Saran had lost his touch. Idaya thirudan was
I didn't like Vattaram also.
Now he is doing "modhi vilayadu" .. let us c
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 08:26 PM [Full View]
enna matter nerd? enakku suththamaa onnum puriyala. Originally Posted by Nerd
vattAram was good, but gemini was horrendous.. IthellAm apdiyE varradhu dhAn, illa
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From: Vivasaayi on 24th September 2008 08:34 PM [Full View]
gemini was the best by saran ,followed by amarkalam,kadhal mannan.
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:35 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: Nerd on 24th September 2008 08:35 PM [Full View]
Common NOV, both the movies are masalas and vattAram perhaps was technically superior. Thats about the only difference between both. You calling vattAram good is surprising given that you disliked gemini. Originally Posted by NOV
enna matter nerd? enakku suththamaa onnum puriyala. Originally Posted by Nerd
vattAram was good, but gemini was horrendous.. IthellAm apdiyE varradhu dhAn, illa
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:36 PM [Full View]
I think NOV dislikes masalas. aana masala va korachi, uppu kaaram ellam kammiya potta avarukku pudikkumnnu nenaikiraen..
aena... :P
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From: Vivasaayi on 24th September 2008 08:37 PM [Full View]
i liked gemini better... Originally Posted by selvakumar
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
vikram was cool in gemini.
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From: Nerd on 24th September 2008 08:37 PM [Full View]
Kadhal mannan >> amarkkaLam > Alli Arjuna. Others are equally worthless (haven't seen attagasam and his last 2-3) Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: VENKIRAJA on 24th September 2008 08:38 PM [Full View]
Rythm is a good movie.Infact one of my random favourites!I haven't watched KK yet. AsAi-la orE kavalai:Ajith's dubbing!
Saran padam ellAmE "o.k" ragam.Kadhal Mannan is my favourite
attagAsam,amarkaLam were good!Gemini second half bore adichiduchu!
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:42 PM [Full View]
Perfect ! Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: VENKIRAJA on 24th September 2008 08:46 PM [Full View]
My thoughts Originally Posted by selvakumar
Perfect ! Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: ajithfederer on 24th September 2008 08:48 PM [Full View]
No vicky. Amarkalam and Kaadhal mannan were way better. What was there in gemini first of all ?
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:49 PM [Full View]
Thala mentioned this in the interview. He said he requested Vasanth a lot to use his own voice. Vasanth didn't agree and it went to actor Suresh. Vikram dubbed for Thala in Amaravathy. Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Rythm is a good movie.Infact one of my random favourites!I haven't watched KK yet. AsAi-la orE kavalai:Ajith's dubbing!
Thala doesn't feel comfortable in working with Vasanth. He says he is the only director with whom he is lot more afraid to work with.
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From: ajithfederer on 24th September 2008 08:50 PM [Full View]
For me Amarkalam was much better than Kaadhal Mannan. Amarkalam had great supporting cast in the form of raguvaran, nasser and radhika. Music was good/Thala was absolutely fantabulous in sattham illadha song :P
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From: Vivasaayi on 24th September 2008 08:50 PM [Full View]
vikram was so cool and stylish i thought
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 08:51 PM [Full View]
mine is EXACT opposite Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 08:53 PM [Full View]
nerd and selva, I do enjoy masalas now and then but calling the directors of solely those kind of movies best directors is not acceptable.
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:53 PM [Full View]
Gemini is a good mass masala. A typical AVM movie. Avvalavu thaan. Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: VENKIRAJA on 24th September 2008 08:54 PM [Full View]
Vikram was even more stylish and cool in Anniyan IMO,athukku anth apadam better-a Vignesh anna?Gemini 2nd half sema bore...except the climax.Vinu Chakravarthy nnnngaaarn Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 08:55 PM [Full View]
Masala kozhampukku avasiyam. aana kozhampae masalava iruntha thaan neenga solluratha naan othuppaen. A good cook should be able to cook a variety of dishes. Same goes to a director. Originally Posted by NOV
Masala edukkatha director = masala mattumae edutha director
(Here masala = first category)
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 08:57 PM [Full View]
saran'ukkum perarasukkum ulla vithyasam idhu Originally Posted by selvakumar
Masala kozhampukku avasiyam. aana kozhampae masalava iruntha thaan neenga solluratha naan othuppaen. A good cook should be able to cook a variety of dishes. Same goes to a director. Originally Posted by NOV
Masala edukkatha director = masala mattumae edutha director
(Here masala = first category)
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From: Anban on 24th September 2008 08:58 PM [Full View]
its a headache. kuppa padam Originally Posted by selvakumar
Gemini is a good mass masala. A typical AVM movie. Avvalavu thaan. Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: ajithfederer on 24th September 2008 09:00 PM [Full View]
I was thinking to say this. Idhukku dhan karthi venumgradhu
Originally Posted by Anban
its a headache. kuppa padam Originally Posted by selvakumar
Gemini is a good mass masala. A typical AVM movie. Avvalavu thaan. Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 09:04 PM [Full View]
there. Originally Posted by Anban
its a headache. kuppa padam Originally Posted by selvakumar
you better agree with my views on dasa :P
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From: Anban on 24th September 2008 09:04 PM [Full View]
yea.. Kadhal mannan is miles ahead of all other saran movies.. its such a refreshing movie.. almost all other movies of saran are atmost average.. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
I was thinking to say this. Idhukku dhan karthi venumgradhu
Originally Posted by Anban
its a headache. kuppa padam Originally Posted by selvakumar
Gemini is a good mass masala. A typical AVM movie. Avvalavu thaan. Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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From: Anban on 24th September 2008 09:07 PM [Full View]
ithu enna araajagam?? Originally Posted by NOV
there. Originally Posted by Anban
its a headache. kuppa padam Originally Posted by selvakumar
you better agree with my views on dasa :P
Dasa is a great movie IMHO.. it has sooo much to watch out for.. so many subtle things and rocking moments.. superb acting, interesting script and wonderful dialogues.. just bcos of some minor masala elements, u r degrading it.. look beyond the poor makeup/color correction(not for all characters) !!
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From: NOV on 24th September 2008 09:09 PM [Full View]
one day..... I shall wait for that one day. Originally Posted by Anban
ithu enna araajagam??
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 09:12 PM [Full View]
And the way he used MSV in kaadhal mannan was awesome Originally Posted by Anban
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From: Anban on 24th September 2008 09:15 PM [Full View]
there is a lot of new things in that movie.. Originally Posted by selvakumar
And the way he used MSV in kaadhal mannan was awesome Originally Posted by Anban
even amarkalam was good in parts.. the way he shot that "unnodu" song was super...
paarthen rasithen was also ok..
but, after that saran lost his creativity.. his movies became stale
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 09:17 PM [Full View]
Thanks for reminding paarthen rasithen. Originally Posted by Anban
Saran did a good job. Oru bus, chennai shooting vache padatha mudichiruppar. He doesn't spend too much. The style and narration
Ya.. Saran had lost that creativity.
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From: Vivasaayi on 24th September 2008 09:25 PM [Full View]
rightu..settu serndhutaingappa...
paarthen rasithen was cool...
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From: Vivasaayi on 24th September 2008 09:27 PM [Full View]
ajith fans onnu doubtu ..kobikka koodadhu
thalai edhuku baniyanoda poyi ponnu ketka ponaru climaxla...sattaya potutu poyirukalam..
apart from ajith,msv,vivek ...karan performed really well
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 09:34 PM [Full View]
romba simple... Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
ajith fans onnu doubtu ..kobikka koodadhu
thalai edhuku baniyanoda poyi ponnu ketka ponaru climaxla...sattaya potutu poyirukalam..
1) Trisha in kireedom akkam pakkam song
> கையோடுதான் கை கோர்த்துதான்
உன் மார்பு சூட்டில் முகம் புதைப்பேன்
2) Kiran in villan "thappu thanda song'
> மஞ்சள் நிற மன்மதனே
மார்பழகு இந்திரனே !
So, Thala sattaya pottu poyirukka koodaathu..
Karanapart from ajith,msv,vivek ...karan performed really well The way he reacts to Manu after attending the phone call from Ajith
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From: ajithfederer on 24th September 2008 09:36 PM [Full View]
Idhula kobikka enna irukku
Movie paathu romba naalachu. Nadamadum Kadhal mannar univ selva vandhu answer pannuvar !!!. Apdiae paathalum indha kelvi saran'ae dhaane kekkanum.
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
ajith fans onnu doubtu ..kobikka koodadhu
thalai edhuku baniyanoda poyi ponnu ketka ponaru climaxla...sattaya potutu poyirukalam..
apart from ajith,msv,vivek ...karan performed really well
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From: selvakumar on 24th September 2008 09:40 PM [Full View]
Feddy
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 09:43 PM [Full View]
last week KTV'la pottanpa Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Idhula kobikka enna irukku
Movie paathu romba naalachu. Nadamadum Kadhal mannar univ selva vandhu answer pannuvar !!!. Apdiae paathalum indha kelvi saran'ae dhaane kekkanum.
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
ajith fans onnu doubtu ..kobikka koodadhu
thalai edhuku baniyanoda poyi ponnu ketka ponaru climaxla...sattaya potutu poyirukalam..
apart from ajith,msv,vivek ...karan performed really well
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From: HonestRaj on 24th September 2008 10:02 PM [Full View]
donno where to post:
A racy chase for 'Modhi Vilayadu'
IndiaGlitz [Wednesday, September 24, 2008]
Director Saran, who is directing ‘Modhi Vilayadu’, after a small gap, recently shot a racy chasing scene in the busy streets of Pudhucherry.
The movie featuring Vinay and Kajal Agarwal was shot in Kuala Lumpur and Chennai.
The stunt sequence was shot in Pudhucherry, choreographed by veteran stunt master Thyagarajan. The chasing sequence was shot for over 15 days featuring Vinay, Santhanam, V M C Haneefa and Kalabhavan Mani.
Saran, who had rendered several hits in the past like ‘Kadhal Mannan’, ‘Amarkalam’, ‘Attagasam’ and ‘JJ’, is confident that ‘Modhi Vilayadu’ too will become a big hit.
Heaping laurels on Vinay, he said, “He is one of the talented actors, who perform well on screen.”
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/41789.html
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From: Dhanya on 24th September 2008 10:20 PM [Full View]
Erhm...why is there no Radhamohan in the list??? I loved Azhagiya Theeye and Mozhi. And am sure tht Ponniyin Selvan would have been great if it didnt have Ravikrishna in the lead under A M Ratnam's production house. He makes movies which make ya smile. It entertains ya and at the same time doesnt insult the audience's intelligence. He really deserves a place. Serious-a padam edutha dhaan nalla director-a?
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From: MADDY on 25th September 2008 09:21 AM [Full View]
who says maniratnam makes serious movies Originally Posted by Dhanya
.........its the presentation which matters the most - i dont think radha mohan is up there with anyone in the list - apart from GM
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From: Dhanya on 25th September 2008 12:44 PM [Full View]
Okay...what makes you think I singled out Maniratnam?? Almost all the directors listed out there in the polls were acknowledged more for the their serious genre movies. And who says Maniratnam doesn't make serious movies?? And by serious, I juz dun mean terrorism!!! Adoption is a serious issue(which he actually didnt handle well Originally Posted by MADDY
who says maniratnam makes serious movies .........its the presentation which matters the most - i dont think radha mohan is up there with anyone in the list - apart from GM ), strained relationship in marriage is a serious issue. And again, who says, presentation is the one which matters most?? I beg to differ. If the presentation is what which matters most, then GM ranks only next to Maniratnam. KB wudnt figure coz he induced embarrasing cliched symbolisms!!! And mind you, am not talking abt nifty presentations alone. I loved the way he portrayed the strained relationship btw Karthik and Shakthi. But the way he portrayed the strained relationship btw Amudha and Indhira, was hardly convincing.
Okay..before i actually make any statement, I really earnestly want to know how you ppl rate a good director and a good movie. If only I know wht that is , can I further explain why i sed wht i sed.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 25th September 2008 12:44 PM [Full View]
Saran's vorstu movies-Idhayathirudan and Alli Arjuna
And JJ-Why did guys rip-off serendipity at the same time-Saran and Jothikrishna...naansans!?
Good thing about Saran movies-Bharadhwaj.Nice songs
Vasanth-watched Aasai,pArthEn rasithEn,Ei nee romba azagA irukke and Satham pOdathE,rythm.Three were impressive.Rythm was very good.Never tired of watching it again.Pleasant-movie. :P
Yeah,RM is a good director.His azagiyA theeyE,I felt was better than Mozhi.
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From: sarna_blr on 25th September 2008 12:51 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Saran's vorstu movies-Idhayathirudan and Alli Arjuna
And JJ-Why did guys rip-off serendipity at the same time-Saran and Jothikrishna...naansans!?
Good thing about Saran movies-Bharadhwaj.Nice songs
Vasanth-watched Aasai,pArthEn rasithEn,Ei nee romba azagA irukke and Satham pOdathE,rythm.Three were impressive.Rythm was very good.Never tired of watching it again.Pleasant-movie. :P
Yeah,RM is a good director.His azagiyA theeyE,I felt was better than Mozhi.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 25th September 2008 12:54 PM [Full View]
saari teknikel paalt Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Saran's vorstu movies-Idhayathirudan and Alli Arjuna
And JJ-Why did guys rip-off serendipity at the same time-Saran and Jothikrishna...naansans!?
Good thing about Saran movies-Bharadhwaj.Nice songs
Vasanth-watched Aasai,pArthEn rasithEn,Ei nee romba azagA irukke and Satham pOdathE,rythm.Three were impressive.Rythm was very good.Never tired of watching it again.Pleasant-movie. :P
Yeah,RM is a good director.His azagiyA theeyE,I felt was better than Mozhi.
-Senthil mAthri.
PoovellAm kEttupAr kooda pArthirukkEn.ippO thAn nyabagam vanthuchu...Climax mokkaya irunthuchu!
RKS(His makkaLAtchi was good,meethi ellAm kaamedy)
Sundar.C?(only direction)
SJS?
Visu?(I wondered why none brought him in...he gave us quite a few good films)
Did he direct Chidambara Ragasiyam(S.Ve.Sekar,Visu,Arunpandian,Delhi Ganesh starrer)?
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From: directhit on 25th September 2008 01:03 PM [Full View]
i liked saran's kadhal mannan (IMO ajith was very charming in those kinda roles). liked gemini too/parthen rasithen was good
vasanth's aasai/rhythm/keladi kanmani(to an extent) and ei nee romba azhaga irukke etc were good
SJS is (was) a good director till someone gave him this great idea to come on screen
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From: VENKIRAJA on 25th September 2008 01:08 PM [Full View]
....naayay Originally Posted by directhit
SJS is (was) a good director till someone gave him this great idea to come on screen
naay thinRa poonayai
poonai thinRa eliyai
eliyai pArthu bayanthOdiya veeranai
theriyumA theriyumA theriyumA?
~Reply~
Gounder:"I yaam bilaind"
VadivElu:"AniyE pudunga vENdAm"
There is one more guy called V.Z.Dorai who gave Mugavari,Thotti Jaya and Nepali I suppose.O.K-ragam.Mugavari was too good though!Ajith has acted with so many directors :P
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From: directhit on 25th September 2008 01:11 PM [Full View]
irukku aana illa
you want me to talk about thaaaaaaaaaaat
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From: sarna_blr on 25th September 2008 01:20 PM [Full View]
Visu was ultimate in Samsaaram-Adhu-Minsaaram Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
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From: Anban on 25th September 2008 05:15 PM [Full View]
First and last warning for artificial peeters..
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From: Vivasaayi on 25th September 2008 05:22 PM [Full View]
adapaavi...neeya Originally Posted by Anban
First and last warning for artificial peeters..
naan equanimus,kannann maadhiri yaro post pannirukangannu nenachu "peeters" ku dictionarila meaning paakuren...
ippothan theriyudhu...idhu thamil peternu
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From: HonestRaj on 25th September 2008 07:58 PM [Full View]
adhenna thamizh peter engileesh peter
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From: VENKIRAJA on 25th September 2008 09:14 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Anban
First and last warning for artificial peeters..
puriyala.
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From: VENKIRAJA on 25th September 2008 09:15 PM [Full View]
visu,manivaNNan and sundhararAjan-Underrated directors!
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From: Anban on 25th September 2008 10:10 PM [Full View]
purinjuruchu artham..
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From: NOV on 26th September 2008 07:06 AM [Full View]
clubbing visu with mani and sundar is also blasphemy
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From: Anban on 26th September 2008 08:54 PM [Full View]
u know what? many PMs from various ppl on this matter.. seems like most of them are feeling guilty.. Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
adapaavi...neeya Originally Posted by Anban
First and last warning for artificial peeters..
naan equanimus,kannann maadhiri yaro post pannirukangannu nenachu "peeters" ku dictionarila meaning paakuren...
ippothan theriyudhu...idhu thamil peternu
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From: Vivasaayi on 26th September 2008 09:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Anban
u know what? many PMs from various ppl on this matter.. seems like most of them are feeling guilty.. Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
adapaavi...neeya Originally Posted by Anban
First and last warning for artificial peeters..
naan equanimus,kannann maadhiri yaro post pannirukangannu nenachu "peeters" ku dictionarila meaning paakuren...
ippothan theriyudhu...idhu thamil peternu
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From: HonestRaj on 27th September 2008 02:30 PM [Full View]
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From: sarna_blr on 27th September 2008 02:42 PM [Full View]
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From: sarna_blr on 14th February 2009 05:25 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by selvakumar
Nadippukkum - mimicrykkum evvalavu vithyaasamaoe, athu maari vithyaasam mathavangalukku rajavukkum.. strictly IMOGM kooda mimicry director pOla Originally Posted by Scale
Jayam raja... dont worry... unga thonakku neraya pEru irukkaanga
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From: sarna_blr on 14th February 2009 05:27 PM [Full View]
Mimicry director's List... not in an order Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
good one! Originally Posted by selvakumar
Nadippukkum - mimicrykkum evvalavu vithyaasamaoe, athu maari vithyaasam mathavangalukku rajavukkum.. strictly IMO
1. Jayam Raja
2. GVM
3. ?
vEra yaaru-yaaru irukkaanganu sattuputtunu kandupidichchu sollungapaa
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From: sarna_blr on 14th February 2009 05:31 PM [Full View]
mimicry director'saa irundhaalum I enjoyed their few movies...
VA from GVM
Jayam, Unakkum enakkum, MKSOM from Raja
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From: HonestRaj on 14th February 2009 06:02 PM [Full View]
mimicry-o.. copy-o....... ippodhaikku DIRECTOR-nu solla thaguthiyana ore aal.. .BALA-than
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From: VENKIRAJA on 14th February 2009 06:08 PM [Full View]
Mysskin Originally Posted by HonestRaj
mimicry-o.. copy-o....... ippodhaikku DIRECTOR-nu solla thaguthiyana ore aal.. .BALA-than
Ameer
Selvaraghavan
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From: HonestRaj on 14th February 2009 06:15 PM [Full View]
ellorukkum copy records irukkuradha Hub-la pesikkiranga.. not sure about Ameer Originally Posted by VENKIRAJA
Mysskin Originally Posted by HonestRaj
mimicry-o.. copy-o....... ippodhaikku DIRECTOR-nu solla thaguthiyana ore aal.. .BALA-than
Ameer
Selvaraghavan
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From: steveaustin on 14th February 2009 06:42 PM [Full View]
HR Originally Posted by HonestRaj
mimicry-o.. copy-o....... ippodhaikku DIRECTOR-nu solla thaguthiyana ore aal.. .BALA-than
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From: Nasc on 15th February 2009 02:49 AM [Full View]
aamothikiren... Originally Posted by HonestRaj
mimicry-o.. copy-o....... ippodhaikku DIRECTOR-nu solla thaguthiyana ore aal.. .BALA-than
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From: Renault on 15th February 2009 01:31 PM [Full View]
I am finding very difficult to vote here. If I have three votes, would have given it to Mahendran, Balu Mahendra and Bala.
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From: ajaybaskar on 15th February 2009 01:33 PM [Full View]
u 4got Vishnuvardhan... Atleast Jeyam Raja has the guts to say its a remake... Originally Posted by sarna_blr
Mimicry director's List... not in an order Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
good one! Originally Posted by selvakumar
Nadippukkum - mimicrykkum evvalavu vithyaasamaoe, athu maari vithyaasam mathavangalukku rajavukkum.. strictly IMO
1. Jayam Raja
2. GVM
3. ?
vEra yaaru-yaaru irukkaanganu sattuputtunu kandupidichchu sollungapaa
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From: Renault on 15th February 2009 01:33 PM [Full View]
I am finding Mani Ratnam getting a landslide collection of votes here and ironically there is also a debate on "Mimicry directors".
One of my friend made a statement two years back that all of ManiRatnam's movies are copied / heavily inspired. He gave me a proof including Guru which is actually supposed to be from an old Sly Stallone movie.
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From: sarna_blr on 15th February 2009 01:46 PM [Full View]
someone just dittoing the western movies is named as Grear-director and someone dittoing our-other-regional movie is named as mimicry director
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From: sarna_blr on 15th February 2009 01:51 PM [Full View]
another stylish copycat Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
u 4got Vishnuvardhan... Atleast Jeyam Raja has the guts to say its a remake...
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From: Jyothsna on 15th February 2009 02:00 PM [Full View]
Heard that Alaipayuthe is copied from some movie.. Dnt knw the exact name.Something ike this'Barefoot in the Park".Hav anyone seen this movie..is it true Originally Posted by Renault
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From: Scale on 15th February 2009 02:29 PM [Full View]
Barefoot in the park... Thanks for the referral I havent seen it. From the imdb link, I understand such plot, stories are revolving right from the family formation of mankind. Might be inspired I would be glad whoever watched it could prove that. I have set my evaluation theory that there is a zillion miles difference between inspiration and wholesale stealing. Some of Our Guys have proved they are potenial go-getter!
Renault, Is Iruvar also copied? Everyone knows Guru is a real life story of Mr. Dirubhai Ambani and call it as heavily inspired. Please correct me If I make a movie about Mahatma Gandhi! does it mean copied/heavily inspired? Phew!
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From: jaaze on 15th February 2009 02:32 PM [Full View]
No Shankar
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From: Jyothsna on 15th February 2009 02:39 PM [Full View]
Alaipayuthe release anappo ippadi oru news junior vikatan la vanthathu..
Anyway... inspire aahi edutha kuda i enjoy his movies..i like his style and taste a lot
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From: Renault on 15th February 2009 05:10 PM [Full View]
Scale, I have mentioned as copied / heavily inspired.
Mani's movies like Thalapathi, Iruvar etc are heavily inspired from real-time stories which we all know of.
While movies like Guru etc may not be heavily inspired from completely, is what my point is. The inspiration source am talkning about is a very old Stallone movie. I remember my friend showing the plot of that movie in imdb and it was dangerously close to Guru's plot.
OTOH, He could have packaged it well for the Indian audience, which he did impressively for Aaiyitha Ezhutthu.
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From: MADDY on 14th March 2009 10:23 AM [Full View]
time to revive this thread
was watching Dil se for the nth time.........rahman's BGM just elevates the movie to next level........there is a preset conception in film music that certain types of BGM are the real ones - others like the one ARR uses are not so good....the complaints go on to say he is a sugarcoat MD who cant give music for negative emotions, who cant understand complex film making, scenes which require cinematic understanding - my answer -> po po, veetla yaaravadhu periyavanga irundha vara sollu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvkEr9Y0p9g
wat a seene - listen to thalaivar's BGM - not much of his "panchathan" armory to back him, just a electronic bass, sukhwindra's vocals.....so much so for thalaivar....
with so much of noise over Dev.D now, i thought even Dil se was a brilliant adaptation of Devdas - sorry if mani had earlier confirmed it or if it is a very known/obvious fact..........enakku ippa dhaan indha angle purinjidhu........SRK-Devdas, Manisha-Paro, Preity-Chandramukhi, selfdestruction -- heady stuff.......and look at this scene from 0:53 - Preity zinta asks abt the 2 females, the way it switches between manisha and her colleague with preity just moving a inch here and there with SRK's back staying constant and stiff - delectable camera work........ah, awesome....
//i feel bad being a mani fan and not able to give more examples of such delectable, awesome filmmaking from this genius and put it in a blog or HUB with hi-fi words........i seriously think mani is one of the best filmmakers of this country and his perspective or philosophy of filmmaking is so different from others.......people try to judge him with a general scale, which is why he gets a lot of critical bashing..........i think, the succeeding generations would realise that "mani is the best" and would be able to express it as well//
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From: P_R on 14th March 2009 12:47 PM [Full View]
SRK in Dil Se >>>> Swades and all those movies that NIs tout as his best performance
I continue to argue it one of MR's better films. His best louu story. Doubtlessly his best in Hindi film by a good distance.
Must rewatch..romba naaL aachchu paaththu.
The devdas angle is quite interesting though I'd rest content with the gist of fatal attraction and deserting practicalities for the mad dream.
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From: A.ANAND on 15th March 2009 01:56 PM [Full View]
ethanai peru vanthalum,ennga maniratnam mathiri ennoruthan poranthuthan varanum!
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From: HonestRaj on 16th March 2009 11:22 PM [Full View]
saw "Kadhal Mannan" last week...
SARAN
I always admired the way he captures a scene & the dialogues are different from the normal... sad that he lost his touch in couple of his last films
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From: Plum on 17th March 2009 08:31 PM [Full View]
Maddy, yeah, Dil Se unfortunately got slotted as "terrorism in North east" movie in the minds of critics and got shredded. Look at Anurag Kashyap - shouting from rooftops that he is remaking Devdas. Just in case people missed the point, named it Dev D. Mani gets some criticism which misses the point of his movies sometimes. Post Roja, Dil Se and Iruvar are his best efforts. I rate Dil Se higher. Great soundtrack by Rahman, too.
P.S: Thittaradhunna, dhairyama per solli thittalame - edhukku maraimugama.
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From: Plum on 17th March 2009 08:33 PM [Full View]
Yeah, Prabhu Ram, it'd be a stretch to compare DevDas, fatal attraction is more like it. But basically agree with you that is his best Hindi film to date.
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From: MADDY on 17th March 2009 10:57 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
P.S: Thittaradhunna, dhairyama per solli thittalame - edhukku maraimugama. i'm trying to shrug off my habit of taking some comments on thalaivar at a personal level btw, i never criticise people - atleast i try my best, i always love to talk abt their posts - thats it......btw, u r not the only one who has called thalaivar music as sugary
watched pallavi-anupallavi - wat a movie ya i wish mani makes such simple movie with thalaivar once
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From: Plum on 18th March 2009 01:35 PM [Full View]
Maddy, thats nice to hear. Opinions differ, after all. Yeah, I noticed that you talk about opinions rather than summarily dismissing people or refusing to discuss.
Pallavi Anupallavi - how was the music ?: -)
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From: Nerd on 19th April 2009 02:08 PM [Full View]
சினிமா விமர்சனம்: முதல் மரியாதை - விகடன் பொக்கிஷம்
எஸ்.ராமானுஜம், கோவை-2
'சிவாஜியின் சகாப்தம் முடிந்துவிட்டது' என்று சிலர் நினைத்துக்கொண்டிருக்க, சிவாஜிக்கேற்ற அழுத்தமான கதாபாத்திரத்தைக் கொடுத்து அவருடைய சகாப்தம் முடிய வில்லை என்று நிரூபித்திருக் கிறார் அல்லவா பாரதிராஜா?
நடிப்பில் சிவாஜி இமயம் என்பது உலகறிந்த விஷயம். அவர் ஏற்காத பாத்தி ரங்கள் இல்லை. வெளிப்படுத்தாத உணர்ச்சி கள் இல்லை. இதுவரையில் அவருடைய அற்புதமான நடிப்பாற்றலைப் பாராட்டி எழுதப்பட்ட வர்ணனைகளுக்கும், புகழ்ந்து எழுதப்பட்ட வார்த்தைகளுக்கும் மீறிய திறமை அவரிடம் இருப்பதால், இனி அவர் நடிப்பைப் பற்றிப் பாராட்டுவதில் அர்த்த மில்லை.
கற்பனையில் டைரக்டர் காண்பதை காமிராவுக்கு முன் வெளிப்படுத்துவதுதான் நடிப்பு. அந்த இலக்கணம் சிவாஜியிடம் பிசகியதே இல்லை. ராஜா சாண்டோ காலத்தில் நடித்திருந்தால், அவர் கேட்டதையும் கொடுத்திருப்பார். இன்று பாரதிராஜா கேட் பதையும் கொடுக்கிறார். அந்த அளவுக்கு தேவைக்கேற்பவும் காலத்துக்கேற்பவும் தன்னை மாற்றிக் கொள்ளக்கூடியவரைச் சரியாகப் பயன்படுத்திக்கொண்டு வெற்றி காண்பது டைரக்டர்களின் கையில்தான் உள்ளது!
இந்தக் கதையில், பஞ்சத்தால் அடி பட்டு அடைக்கலம் தேடி வரும் ராதா விடம் தூய்மையான உள்ளத்தோடு பழகுவ தாகட்டும், தாய்மாமனுக்குக் கொடுக்கப் பட்ட வாக்கு காப்பாற்றப்பட வேண்டும் என்கிற நிர்பந்தத்தின் காரணமாய், மனைவி வடிவுக்கரசியின் ஏச்சுக்கும் பேச்சுக் கும் கட்டுப்பட்டுப் பெட்டிப்பாம்பாக அடங்கிப்போவதாகட்டும், மனைவி யைச் சார்ந்தவர்கள் ராதாவோடு தன்னைச் சம்பந்தப்படுத்தி எள்ளி நகையாடும்போது சீறி எழுவதாகட் டும்... எந்த இடத்திலும் அளவுக்கதிக மாக உணர்ச்சிவசப்படாமல் சிவாஜி அடக்கமாக நடித்ததிலும், அவரை பாரதிராஜா அப்படி நடிக்க வைத்ததி லும் இருவருமே சம அளவில் வெற்றி பெற்றிருக்கிறார்கள்.
கே.எம்.இளங்கோ, கு.பாளையம்.
பாரதிராஜா எந்தெந்தக் காட்சிகளின்போது நமக்குத் தெரிகிறார்?
எந்தக் காட்சியின்போது தெரிய வில்லை என்று கேட்பதே பொருத்தம்.கலப்படம் செய்யாமல் கிராமத்து மண் வாசனையைப் படம் நெடுக நறுமணக் கச் செய்திருக்கிறார் பாரதிராஜா.
கதாநாயகிக்கு வெள்ளை ஆடை உடுத்தி ஸ்லோமோஷனில் காற்றில் நீச்சலடிக்க வைப்பது, திருவிழாக் காட்சியை வலுக்கட்டாயமாகப் புகுத்தி வண்ண வண்ணத் துணிக ளைச் சலசலக்க வைப்பது, கையில் தீப்பந்தத்தோடு கிராமத்து மொத்த ஜனங்களும் ஒருவித ஆக்ரோஷமான வெறியில் ஓடிவருவது போன்ற தன் பலவீனங்களைத் தவிர்த்து, கொஞ்ச மும் குழப்பமில்லாமல் திரைக்கதை அமைக்கும் தன் பலத்தை மட்டுமே இம்முறை பயன்படுத்தியிருக்கிறார்!
படத்தில் டைரக்டருக்கு வலக்கரம் ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் கண்ணன். 'நான் படப்பிடிப்புக்குச் செல்லும்போது காமிராவை எடுத்துச் செல்வதில்லை.என் கண்ணனின் இரண்டு கண்களைக் கொண்டு செல்கிறேன். அந்தக் கண்க ளுக்கு மட்டும்தான் ஆகாயத்தின் மறு பக்கத்தையும் பார்க்கத் தெரியும்' என்ற பாரதிராஜாவின் பாராட்டுக்குத் தன்னை உரியவராக் கிக்கொண்டுவிட்டார் கண்ணன்.
ஜி.ஜோதிமணி, கோவை-1.
நீண்ட நாட்களுக்குப் பிறகு ராதாவின் அபார நடிப்பு அசத்திவிட்டதே?
'வெறும் ஷோ கேஸ் பொம் மையாக வந்து போகிறார்' என்று ராதா மீது எல்லோராலும் (எங்களையும் சேர்த்து) ஏகமனதாகச் சுமத்தப்பட்ட குற்றச்சாட்டு இந்தப் படத்தில் தவிடுபொடியாகிவிட்டது. மலையோடு மோதியிருந்தாலும், நடிப்பில் மலைக்க வைத்துவிட்டார்!
ஜி.ராஜகோபாலன், சென்னை -24
அறிமுகமாகியுள்ள இளஞ்ஜோடி தீபன் - ரஞ்சனியைப் பற்றி...
பாரதிராஜாவால் அறிமுகப்படுத்தப்பட்டுச் சோடை போன முதல் ஜோடி என்ற பெருமை(?) இவர்களைச் சாரும்!
- விகடன் விமர்சனக் குழு
பெரும்பான்மையான வாசகர்களுக்குப் பிடித்த அம்சம்: சிவாஜி, ராதா நடிப்பு; பாரதிராஜாவின் இயக்கம்.
பிடிக்காத அம்சம்: ஜனகராஜின் பாத்திரம்.
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From: HonestRaj on 20th April 2009 07:41 PM [Full View]
I think, its just a Q & A type of review..... as nobody asked about IR.. nothing was mentioned about his music Originally Posted by Nerd
சினிமா விமர்சனம்: முதல் மரியாதை - விகடன் பொக்கிஷம்
எஸ்.ராமானுஜம், கோவை-2
'சிவாஜியின் சகாப்தம் முடிந்துவிட்டது' என்று சிலர் நினைத்துக்கொண்டிருக்க, சிவாஜிக்கேற்ற அழுத்தமான கதாபாத்திரத்தைக் கொடுத்து அவருடைய சகாப்தம் முடிய வில்லை என்று நிரூபித்திருக் கிறார் அல்லவா பாரதிராஜா?
நடிப்பில் சிவாஜி இமயம் என்பது உலகறிந்த விஷயம். அவர் ஏற்காத பாத்தி ரங்கள் இல்லை. வெளிப்படுத்தாத உணர்ச்சி கள் இல்லை. இதுவரையில் அவருடைய அற்புதமான நடிப்பாற்றலைப் பாராட்டி எழுதப்பட்ட வர்ணனைகளுக்கும், புகழ்ந்து எழுதப்பட்ட வார்த்தைகளுக்கும் மீறிய திறமை அவரிடம் இருப்பதால், இனி அவர் நடிப்பைப் பற்றிப் பாராட்டுவதில் அர்த்த மில்லை.
கற்பனையில் டைரக்டர் காண்பதை காமிராவுக்கு முன் வெளிப்படுத்துவதுதான் நடிப்பு. அந்த இலக்கணம் சிவாஜியிடம் பிசகியதே இல்லை. ராஜா சாண்டோ காலத்தில் நடித்திருந்தால், அவர் கேட்டதையும் கொடுத்திருப்பார். இன்று பாரதிராஜா கேட் பதையும் கொடுக்கிறார். அந்த அளவுக்கு தேவைக்கேற்பவும் காலத்துக்கேற்பவும் தன்னை மாற்றிக் கொள்ளக்கூடியவரைச் சரியாகப் பயன்படுத்திக்கொண்டு வெற்றி காண்பது டைரக்டர்களின் கையில்தான் உள்ளது!
இந்தக் கதையில், பஞ்சத்தால் அடி பட்டு அடைக்கலம் தேடி வரும் ராதா விடம் தூய்மையான உள்ளத்தோடு பழகுவ தாகட்டும், தாய்மாமனுக்குக் கொடுக்கப் பட்ட வாக்கு காப்பாற்றப்பட வேண்டும் என்கிற நிர்பந்தத்தின் காரணமாய், மனைவி வடிவுக்கரசியின் ஏச்சுக்கும் பேச்சுக் கும் கட்டுப்பட்டுப் பெட்டிப்பாம்பாக அடங்கிப்போவதாகட்டும், மனைவி யைச் சார்ந்தவர்கள் ராதாவோடு தன்னைச் சம்பந்தப்படுத்தி எள்ளி நகையாடும்போது சீறி எழுவதாகட் டும்... எந்த இடத்திலும் அளவுக்கதிக மாக உணர்ச்சிவசப்படாமல் சிவாஜி அடக்கமாக நடித்ததிலும், அவரை பாரதிராஜா அப்படி நடிக்க வைத்ததி லும் இருவருமே சம அளவில் வெற்றி பெற்றிருக்கிறார்கள்.
கே.எம்.இளங்கோ, கு.பாளையம்.
பாரதிராஜா எந்தெந்தக் காட்சிகளின்போது நமக்குத் தெரிகிறார்?
எந்தக் காட்சியின்போது தெரிய வில்லை என்று கேட்பதே பொருத்தம்.கலப்படம் செய்யாமல் கிராமத்து மண் வாசனையைப் படம் நெடுக நறுமணக் கச் செய்திருக்கிறார் பாரதிராஜா.
கதாநாயகிக்கு வெள்ளை ஆடை உடுத்தி ஸ்லோமோஷனில் காற்றில் நீச்சலடிக்க வைப்பது, திருவிழாக் காட்சியை வலுக்கட்டாயமாகப் புகுத்தி வண்ண வண்ணத் துணிக ளைச் சலசலக்க வைப்பது, கையில் தீப்பந்தத்தோடு கிராமத்து மொத்த ஜனங்களும் ஒருவித ஆக்ரோஷமான வெறியில் ஓடிவருவது போன்ற தன் பலவீனங்களைத் தவிர்த்து, கொஞ்ச மும் குழப்பமில்லாமல் திரைக்கதை அமைக்கும் தன் பலத்தை மட்டுமே இம்முறை பயன்படுத்தியிருக்கிறார்!
படத்தில் டைரக்டருக்கு வலக்கரம் ஒளிப்பதிவாளர் கண்ணன். 'நான் படப்பிடிப்புக்குச் செல்லும்போது காமிராவை எடுத்துச் செல்வதில்லை.என் கண்ணனின் இரண்டு கண்களைக் கொண்டு செல்கிறேன். அந்தக் கண்க ளுக்கு மட்டும்தான் ஆகாயத்தின் மறு பக்கத்தையும் பார்க்கத் தெரியும்' என்ற பாரதிராஜாவின் பாராட்டுக்குத் தன்னை உரியவராக் கிக்கொண்டுவிட்டார் கண்ணன்.
ஜி.ஜோதிமணி, கோவை-1.
நீண்ட நாட்களுக்குப் பிறகு ராதாவின் அபார நடிப்பு அசத்திவிட்டதே?
'வெறும் ஷோ கேஸ் பொம் மையாக வந்து போகிறார்' என்று ராதா மீது எல்லோராலும் (எங்களையும் சேர்த்து) ஏகமனதாகச் சுமத்தப்பட்ட குற்றச்சாட்டு இந்தப் படத்தில் தவிடுபொடியாகிவிட்டது. மலையோடு மோதியிருந்தாலும், நடிப்பில் மலைக்க வைத்துவிட்டார்!
ஜி.ராஜகோபாலன், சென்னை -24
அறிமுகமாகியுள்ள இளஞ்ஜோடி தீபன் - ரஞ்சனியைப் பற்றி...
பாரதிராஜாவால் அறிமுகப்படுத்தப்பட்டுச் சோடை போன முதல் ஜோடி என்ற பெருமை(?) இவர்களைச் சாரும்!
- விகடன் விமர்சனக் குழு
பெரும்பான்மையான வாசகர்களுக்குப் பிடித்த அம்சம்: சிவாஜி, ராதா நடிப்பு; பாரதிராஜாவின் இயக்கம்.
பிடிக்காத அம்சம்: ஜனகராஜின் பாத்திரம்.
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இளையராஜா சொல்லிக்கொள்ளும்படி இசையமைக்கவில்லை போல தெரிகிறது.
Doubt: Andha kaalathula BGM ellam unnippa parthu padatha rasichiruppangala?
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From: P_R on 20th April 2009 07:51 PM [Full View]
Naan mudhal mudhal-la BGM note paNNA padam
the yEri irukku maram irukku BGM version that comes in the Thiruvizha scene
the famous flute piece when Ranjani's body is discovered - cutting to Deepan running (Bharathiraja)
the avamAnam short piece - 2,3 times when Sivaji is insulted by Vadivykkarasi and then when he steps out of the house and looks at the sun shine the lilting piece
padam pAththu romba naaL aachchu...maRupadi pAkkaNum
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From: Nerd on 20th April 2009 08:09 PM [Full View]
HR,
Naanum amnakkili-lErundhu mudhal mariyAdhai varaikkum padichuttEn.. No mention of the BGM/even the songs in any of their reviews. How could they possibly ignore such numbers? AdhulEyum perumbaalaanavargalukku pidithathu-la kooda songs illaiyE.. MM perhaps would find a place in IR's top 10 in terms of quality and more importantly popularity!
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From: littlemaster1982 on 20th April 2009 08:15 PM [Full View]
HR, Originally Posted by HonestRaj
Perumbaalum, AV-la avangale kelvi kettu avangale badhilum ezhudhiyiruppanga :P
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From: MADDY on 20th April 2009 08:20 PM [Full View]
i doubt this....... Originally Posted by Nerd
i think Mohan movies itself would have 5 to 6 entries in top 10 popular albums for IR i dont think MM was that big a "musical hit"
was this intentional??? Originally Posted by Nerd
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From: Nerd on 20th April 2009 08:30 PM [Full View]
Arasu badhilgaL perumbaalum illai, eppavumE ipdi dhAn Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
Maddy at least top 15 for sure. Perhaps the most popular BR-IR album. Seri yaaravadhu 35+ hubber irukkeengalA? Btw, annakkili took TN by storm-nu pala idathula padichirukkEn, AV review-la music pathi onniyumE sollalai IIRC. But when they interviewed IR in 79, annakkiLi success pathi pEsirundhaanga.
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From: app_engine on 20th April 2009 09:32 PM [Full View]
உள்ளேன் ஐயா Originally Posted by Nerd
Simply based on AV's reviews HR has questioned whether people even recognized BGM those days. என்ன அநியாயம் இது?
ராசா படத்தக்கண்ண மூடிக்கிட்டே பாக்கலாம்னு பயங்கர குப்பைப்படத்தயெல்லாம் பாத்த என் காலேஜ்மேட் தான் நினைவுக்கு வருகிறார் (இப்போது அவர் தநா மிவா'வில் பெரிய ஆபீசர்).
நினைவெல்லாம் நித்யா'வின் எல்.பி. இசைத்தட்டில் இருந்த டிக்-டிக்-டிக் பின்னணி இசை மற்றும் உல்லாசப்பறவைகள் டைட்டில் மியூசிக் எல்லாம் கேஸட்டில் பதிந்து வந்து மணிக்கணக்காக கேட்ட நாட்கள் ஞாபகம் வருகிறது. (ராசாவை டைட்டில் பாட்டுப்பாட வைக்கும் கொடுமை அதிகமாவதற்கு முன் அவரது டைட்டில் இசைக்கே ஒரு தனி ஆர்வலர் கூட்டம் இருந்தது உண்மை).
பல அந்நாள் பிரபலங்களிடம் குமுதம் "பிடித்த பத்து" கேட்கும் போது, 'ஹம்மிங் கலந்த ராசாவின் ரீரிகார்டிங்' பற்றி சொல்லியவர்கள் பற்றி நம்ம ஆனஸ்ட் படித்திருக்க மாட்டாரோ?
ராஜபார்வையின் வயலின் இசை பற்றி சுஜாதா சிலாகித்ததும் நினைவுக்கு வருகிறது.
புன்னகை மன்னன் தீம், முதல் மரியாதை பின்னணி இசை பற்றி DD'யில் பாரதிராசாவின் கருத்து - இப்படி சொல்லிக்கொண்டே போகலாம். சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்கள் காலத்திலேயே பின்னணி இசை பற்றி அவ்வளவு பேசப்பட்டிருக்கிறது.
என்னமோ இப்பத்தான் எல்லாம் நடக்கிறதா நினைப்பது சிறுபிள்ளைத்தனம் ஏரோப்ளேனுக்கே 100'க்கு மேல் வயசாச்சு தெரியுமா? அப்புறம் மனுஷன் எப்போ நிலாவுக்குப்போனான் - சந்திராயன்லயா...இல்ல அதுக்கு முன்னாடியேவா?
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From: Plum on 20th April 2009 09:41 PM [Full View]
app_engine, I think if it was about popular magazines etc noticing the BGM, then sadly, the answer is no they didnt. But if it is like popularity as MADDY says, then it is hard to imagine how someone can be so sure without being around in TN at that time. Mudhal Mariyadhai was phenomenally popular as a soundtrack.Period. Indha gramam, gramam-nu tamizhnattula neraiya irukkum - adhuvum madura pakkam pona, ange ellam Mudhal Mariyadhai vandha kaalathula, thiruvizha dhaan. En, late 90's-la kooda mudhal mariyadhai was more played in mofussil areas around madurai than the more recent kizhakku seemaiyile or Karuthamma, en experience-la. Mudhal Mariyadhai was only excellent BGM and soundtrack but not popular-nu establish pannanuma?
Namma othukittalum, othukkattalum, 80's-la Raja rendaiyume achieve pannadhu unmai. Matha mudiyadhu
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From: app_engine on 20th April 2009 10:18 PM [Full View]
Prior to AnnakkiLi, 'elanthappazham, elanthappazham' song's disk held the sales record for many years and it was broken. (This was also reported in mags like Kumudam). Originally Posted by Nerd
Despite the phenomenal success of the album and the song-prompted-dream-run of the movie (where an initial lukewarm response to an average movie with no big BO pullers changed within a short time to packed houses, songs being the main reason).
Honestly, I can't comment about the response in Madras, but in small towns and villages (and "noisy" cities like Madurai), it caught up like wild fire. There was no marriage or thiruvizha or celebration -even school functions weren't exempt - without 'machchAnappAththeengaLA" in horn (or otherwise loud) speakers.
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From: app_engine on 20th April 2009 10:26 PM [Full View]
While there are no two opinions about the popularity of AnnakkiLi or Raja being shot into fame overnight - and people starting to actually talk about the song being an MD's song rather than MGR-Shivaji song or TMS song or song-from-that-film, it's possible that weeklies like AV initially didn't give him red carpet due to their elitist mentality.
However, they definitely made great amends in the years that followed.
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From: jaiganes on 21st April 2009 12:30 AM [Full View]
When mudhal mariyadhai was released, the first thing that caught on musically was the bits song package of the movie.
Esai paattu, badhil paattu,
'E kili irukku maramirukku'
'aei kuruvi - chittu kuruvi'
'Eraadha malai mela- elanda pazuthirukku'
Then subsequent oliyum oliyums showed ' Andha nelaava thaan - that increased MM fever
then came 'Poongaathu thirumbumaa' and 'Vetti veru vaasam'
The last song which was the best among the entire album (acc to me) was 'Raasave onna nambi' that song became popular after ppl saw the movie - for it was the central theme of the movie - 'Sandhayile ninna bodhum veera paandi thaeru' - Vairamuthu - too cool.
Was it the last VM -IR combo?
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From: groucho070 on 21st April 2009 08:15 AM [Full View]
I remember well that it was huge here in Malaysia. Kannaar pinnaarnu airplay. Yaar veettula poonalum intha album songs-thaan. Plus the uniqueness is the intro by Vairamuthu in the beginning of the songs. I was just learning aanaa avanaa from my mom. All that is happening around us that time, BR, KB, KBg, Kamal/Rajini, VM, was toondufying this Malay educated boy to pick up Tamizh (NTism came later in my life and made my love for Tamizh even more). So, MM is a qualified success as far as Malaysia is concerned....unless NOV thinks not (vevveru Ooru). Originally Posted by MADDY
i doubt this....... Originally Posted by Nerd
i think Mohan movies itself would have 5 to 6 entries in top 10 popular albums for IR i dont think MM was that big a "musical hit"
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From: bingleguy on 21st April 2009 02:59 PM [Full View]
Director Vasant.... i feel, he sure does proves himself worth to the accolade of Good Directors ... after his awesome deliveries like keladi kanmani, nee paadhi naan paadhi, aasai, poovellam kettupar, nerukku ner ...
more than 15 years with the veteran KB and good time with Maniratnam should definitely earn him a place .... IMHO ...
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From: Avadi to America on 21st April 2009 07:10 PM [Full View]
best directors listla Rudrayya peru illanrathu ennaku emmatrama irrukuthu
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From: app_engine on 21st April 2009 08:19 PM [Full View]
எதுக்கு, கிராமத்து அத்தியாயத்துக்கா? Originally Posted by Avadi to America
ருத்ரையா உருப்படியாப்பண்ணினது அ அ மட்டும் தான், ஒன் டைம் ஒண்டர்...
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From: Nerd on 21st April 2009 08:23 PM [Full View]
GA avlO mOsamaana padamaa? It has some great songs though..
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From: app_engine on 21st April 2009 08:28 PM [Full View]
ஆத்து மேட்டுல, ஊதக்காத்து வீசயிலே, பூவே இது பூஜைக்காலமே, வாடாத ரோசாப்பூ - நாலு பாட்டுமே அருமை.
ஆனால் படம் ஒரு நாள் கூட ஓட லாயக் நஹீ என்று கேள்வி
யூ ட்யூபில் 'ஆத்து மேட்டுல' பார்த்துட்டு கண்ணில் நீர் தளும்ப சிரித்தேன்...
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From: app_engine on 24th April 2009 08:54 PM [Full View]
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From: Avadi to America on 24th April 2009 09:04 PM [Full View]
i did not see kramathu athiyayam... But aval appadithan is enough to put him in to front league....Most of the enlisted best directors also gave crap.....In my opinion, i believe that Aval appadithaan is one of the best movie ever made in tamil film industry. Sripriya charecter is excellant. Originally Posted by app_engine
எதுக்கு, கிராமத்து அத்தியாயத்துக்கா? Originally Posted by Avadi to America
ருத்ரையா உருப்படியாப்பண்ணினது அ அ மட்டும் தான், ஒன் டைம் ஒண்டர்...
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From: app_engine on 24th April 2009 09:34 PM [Full View]
ஆக எடுத்தது ரெண்டு, அதில் ஒண்ணு நல்லது - மற்றது போக்கு.
எப்படிங்க இவர ஆல்-டைம்-க்ரேட் லிஸ்ட்'ல சொல்றது? கொறஞ்சது இன்னொரு தடவையாவது நிரூபிச்சிருக்க வேண்டாமா?
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From: Avadi to America on 25th April 2009 04:00 AM [Full View]
Infact, i am not sure wheather he alives or not. Originally Posted by app_engine
if he is not. i am not sure when he died.
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From: Anban on 25th April 2009 04:36 AM [Full View]
maniyan best director
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From: Hulkster on 25th April 2009 08:33 AM [Full View]
Alot of people have listed unoriginality in script as a black mark of a director. However i feel that a director's job is not the script he chooses but the way he illustrates it on the screen.
I feel that maniratnam manages to bring out the emotions very well and tricky twists in the script very well but tends to over elaborate at times. He should be the closest in terms of portraying a story in its rawest form but Mahendran should take the cue. His direction is very straightforward and hard hitting. They enliven the characters within you like reading a interesting book.
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From: NOV on 25th April 2009 08:43 AM [Full View]
currently? Originally Posted by Anban
without doubt!
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From: MADDY on 25th April 2009 10:08 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by NOV
currently? Originally Posted by Anban
without doubt! Mani, perhaps will be the last of "subtle" directors in tamil films........directors of today are good but too loud........they lack subtlety that mani,mahendran, BR possessed.......Mysskin is a hope but he too has the itch of "shouting out" his opinion through the movie.......i think we would see only dark, pseudo-reality, raw movies from here on.......the art of suggestive filmmaking is almost dead as per me.....
Hulk, if u didnt know already, mahendran was the inspiration for taking up directorship for 2 people.....one of them was Mani
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From: A.ANAND on 25th April 2009 03:51 PM [Full View]
avaroda [mahendran]as.director-ra sera maniratnam kettappo,'full agiduchi innu'mahendran soonaram.ithu MR oru interview-la sonnathu!avara veratti vitta ennoru director[his close friend] barathiraja!
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From: app_engine on 19th March 2010 12:04 AM [Full View]
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From: venkkiram on 19th March 2010 09:19 AM [Full View]
மணிவண்ணன் ..
ஆகச் சிறந்த இயக்குனர் எனச் சொல்லமாட்டேன். ஆனால் பன்முகத் திறமையுள்ள இயக்குனர் என்ற வரிசையில் இவருக்கு கண்டிப்பாக ஒரு இடம் உண்டு.
1) இங்கேயும் ஒரு கங்கை
2) நூறாவது நாள்
3) சின்னத்தம்பி பெரியதம்பி
4) முதல் வசந்தம்
5) பாலை வன ரோஜாக்கள்
6) விடிஞ்சா கல்யாணம்
7) அமைதிப்படை
இப்படி ஒரு மாறுபட்ட படைப்புக்களை இயக்கியவர்கள் தமிழ் சினிமாவில் மணிவண்ணனைத் தவிர வேறு யாராவது இருக்கிறார்களா? தெரிந்தால் சொல்லவும்..
மேற்சொன்ன படங்கள் ஒவ்வொன்றும் வெகுஜன மக்கள் மத்தியில் வெள்ளிவிழா படங்கள். அது இன்னொரு சாதனை.
ஆனால் இது போன்ற திறமைகளை வசதியாக மறந்துவிடுவது நமது தலையாயப் பண்புகளில் ஒன்று
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From: ravi200101 on 19th March 2010 05:41 PM [Full View]
Bheem singh's movie's had reached the masses so effectively that many movies later on followed the same trend. Originally Posted by megam
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From: PARAMASHIVAN on 19th March 2010 05:59 PM [Full View]
Manirathnam all the way.....
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From: Avadi to America on 19th March 2010 07:38 PM [Full View]
B R banthulu enathe vithathula kuranjutaar....Gatuam Menon
i remember few movies of him.....
Veerapandiya kattabomman
sabash meena
ayrathil oruvan....
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 08:01 PM [Full View]
karnan and KOT?
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From: Sarna on 19th March 2010 08:07 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by venkkiram
மணிவண்ணன் ..
ஆகச் சிறந்த இயக்குனர் எனச் சொல்லமாட்டேன். ஆனால் பன்முகத் திறமையுள்ள இயக்குனர் என்ற வரிசையில் இவருக்கு கண்டிப்பாக ஒரு இடம் உண்டு.
1) இங்கேயும் ஒரு கங்கை
2) நூறாவது நாள்
3) சின்னத்தம்பி பெரியதம்பி
4) முதல் வசந்தம்
5) பாலை வன ரோஜாக்கள்
6) விடிஞ்சா கல்யாணம்
7) அமைதிப்படை
இப்படி ஒரு மாறுபட்ட படைப்புக்களை இயக்கியவர்கள் தமிழ் சினிமாவில் மணிவண்ணனைத் தவிர வேறு யாராவது இருக்கிறார்களா? தெரிந்தால் சொல்லவும்..
மேற்சொன்ன படங்கள் ஒவ்வொன்றும் வெகுஜன மக்கள் மத்தியில் வெள்ளிவிழா படங்கள். அது இன்னொரு சாதனை.
ஆனால் இது போன்ற திறமைகளை வசதியாக மறந்துவிடுவது நமது தலையாயப் பண்புகளில் ஒன்று u can add ilamaikkaalangal also.... simple love story... but excecuted pretty well
paadavandhadho raagam
... evergreen song by isaikkadavul
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From: Avadi to America on 19th March 2010 08:08 PM [Full View]
Plum, Originally Posted by Plum
Murali sir mathiri yaravathu inga peasanthan sari pattu varum....
few more movies from him....
karnan, muradan muthu, baley pandiya and Kappalottiya Thamizhan
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From: app_engine on 19th March 2010 08:40 PM [Full View]
சர்னா, Originally Posted by Sarna
paadavandhadho raagam ... evergreen song by isaikkadavul
எங்க ரொம்ப நாளா ஆளையே காணோம்? நலமா?
ஒரு சின்ன நிட்பிக் - இளமைக்காலங்கள் பாட்டெல்லாம் கம்போஸ் பண்ணி ஆடியோ வெளிவந்த போது மணிவண்ணன் அல்ல இயக்குநர். ஆர்.சுந்தர்ராஜன் தானென்று நினைக்கிறேன் - தயாரிப்பாளருக்கும் அவருக்கும் ஏதோ சின்ன லடாய் ஆனதால் மணிவண்ணன் வந்தார் - பாடல்களுக்கு ஏற்ப செய்யப்பட்ட ஒரு கதை அது
பாடல்கள் மணிவண்ணனின் ஸ்பெஷாலிட்டி ஏரியா கிடையாது. இன்னும் இரண்டு உதாரணங்கள் :
1. இங்கேயும் ஒரு கங்கை பாடல்கள் இரவல் வாங்கியவை, இலங்கை வானொலி 'ஊமை வெயில்' பாடல்களை மிகவும் பிரபலப்படுத்தி இருந்தாலும், படம் வரும் வழியைக்காணோம், மணிவண்ணன் அந்தத்தயாரிப்பாளரிடம் பாடல்களை விலைக்கு வாங்கி விட்டார்.
2. நூறாவது நாளின் 'விழியிலே' பாடல் அதற்கு முன்னமே கன்னடத்தில் ஹிட் ஆன ஜோதியல்லி.
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 08:49 PM [Full View]
ஆப்ப், அது ஜொதேயலி
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From: tamizharasan on 19th March 2010 08:51 PM [Full View]
Nerd Originally Posted by Nerd
Regarding review about mudhal mariyadhai, I remember still one thing. I think it is missing in your posting. They called IR's music as negative because it killed Vairamuthu's lines. As I said earlier except for Devar Magan review I never saw Ilaiyaraja being praised on the review. But in Devar Magan review they praised Ilaiyaraja to sky high. I can't share here something but I know why Ilaiyaraja was never much appreciated in AV.
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From: app_engine on 19th March 2010 08:55 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Plum
Thanks Plum
கன்னடா கொத்தில்லா...என்ன அர்த்தமுங்க?
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From: tamizharasan on 19th March 2010 08:56 PM [Full View]
That means I don't know. Originally Posted by app_engine
Originally Posted by Plum
Thanks Plum
கன்னடா கொத்தில்லா...என்ன அர்த்தமுங்க?
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 08:57 PM [Full View]
TA: PM, please Originally Posted by tamizharasan
Nerd Originally Posted by Nerd
Regarding review about mudhal mariyadhai, I remember still one thing. I think it is missing in your posting. They called IR's music as negative because it killed Vairamuthu's lines. As I said earlier except for Devar Magan review I never saw Ilaiyaraja being praised on the review. But in Devar Magan review they praised Ilaiyaraja to sky high. I can't share here something but I know why Ilaiyaraja was never much appreciated in AV.
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 08:58 PM [Full View]
avar ஜொதேயலி pathi kEttarunga Originally Posted by tamizharasan
That means I don't know. Originally Posted by app_engine
Originally Posted by Plum
Thanks Plum
கன்னடா கொத்தில்லா...என்ன அர்த்தமுங்க?
I think jothE = jodi, alli = pOla.
sarNA can confirm.
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From: equanimus on 19th March 2010 09:00 PM [Full View]
I guess it means "in the light (jyOti)." illaiyO?
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From: equanimus on 19th March 2010 09:05 PM [Full View]
Oh, sorry, Plum is right about jothE. 'ali' is the suffix to mean 'in that.' So it more or less means 'together.'
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From: tamizharasan on 19th March 2010 09:08 PM [Full View]
Check your PM. Originally Posted by Plum
TA: PM, please Originally Posted by tamizharasan
Nerd Originally Posted by Nerd
Regarding review about mudhal mariyadhai, I remember still one thing. I think it is missing in your posting. They called IR's music as negative because it killed Vairamuthu's lines. As I said earlier except for Devar Magan review I never saw Ilaiyaraja being praised on the review. But in Devar Magan review they praised Ilaiyaraja to sky high. I can't share here something but I know why Ilaiyaraja was never much appreciated in AV.
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 09:10 PM [Full View]
thansk TA
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From: Nerd on 19th March 2010 09:12 PM [Full View]
TA/Plum (whoever is online), enakkum oru copy please
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From: app_engine on 19th March 2010 09:15 PM [Full View]
Thanks Plum, equa
While getting great songs is not an area that Manivannan excelled, he did indeed make some great movies with excellent BGM!
nooRAvadhu nAL is perhaps the best example of groovy BGM - நளினிக்கு ESP வரும்போதெல்லாம் ஒரு தீம் ம்யூசிக் வருமே - அப்பா, மிரட்டல் ஐயா அது!
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From: tamizharasan on 19th March 2010 09:16 PM [Full View]
sorry guys. Jotheyali means together. Originally Posted by Plum
avar ஜொதேயலி pathi kEttarunga Originally Posted by tamizharasan
That means I don't know. Originally Posted by app_engine
Originally Posted by Plum
Thanks Plum
கன்னடா கொத்தில்லா...என்ன அர்த்தமுங்க?
I think jothE = jodi, alli = pOla.
sarNA can confirm.
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From: tamizharasan on 19th March 2010 09:18 PM [Full View]
Sent. Originally Posted by Nerd
TA/Plum (whoever is online), enakkum oru copy please
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 09:19 PM [Full View]
Enga adhellAM IR paarthu pichai pOtturuppArunga - do you think director like MV has that much say in BGM? Even someone of the calibre of Mani says that with IR he watches the movie once, decides the notes for BGM, and after that, nothing can be changed even by the director. Manivannanuku enna voice irundhirukka pOvudhu BGM-la? Originally Posted by app_engine
Thanks Plum, equa
While getting great songs is not an area that Manivannan excelled, he did indeed make some great movies with excellent BGM!
nooRAvadhu nAL is perhaps the best example of groovy BGM - நளினிக்கு ESP வரும்போதெல்லாம் ஒரு தீம் ம்யூசிக் வருமே - அப்பா, மிரட்டல் ஐயா அது!
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From: app_engine on 19th March 2010 09:24 PM [Full View]
கரெக்ட் தான், அதெல்லாம் ராசாவின் சித்து வேலை தான். அட் லீஸ்ட் மணிவண்ணன் எடிட்டிங்'ல மூக்கை நுழைத்து, 'நம்ம ஏதாவது இங்கிலீஷ் த்ரில்லர் பட ம்யூசிக்கை ஒட்டிப்புடுவோம்'னு செய்யாமல் இருந்தது அவர் பாரதிராஜாவின் நல்ல சீடர் என நிரூபித்தது. (பாரதிராஜாவே இந்த விஷயத்தில் இந்திக்குப்போனப்போ கோட்டை விட்டுட்டார் - ரெட் ரோஸ் கதை தெரியும் தானே?)
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 09:26 PM [Full View]
I am imagining manivannan saying this to IR'நம்ம ஏதாவது இங்கிலீஷ் த்ரில்லர் பட ம்யூசிக்கை ஒட்டிப்புடுவோம்'னு செய்யாமல் இருந்தது
adhukadutha scene....
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From: raghavendran on 19th March 2010 09:26 PM [Full View]
true...100th day was awesome Originally Posted by app_engine
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From: Plum on 19th March 2010 09:26 PM [Full View]
indhila MDs even now dont think of BGM as their job.
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From: tamizharasan on 19th March 2010 09:44 PM [Full View]
Voted for Mahendran.
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From: Avadi to America on 19th March 2010 10:03 PM [Full View]
voted for "creator of kaali"
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From: app_engine on 29th April 2010 09:54 PM [Full View]
MR amazed at making of NK it seems :
பாலு மகேந்திராவிடம் உதவியாளராக இருந்த போது அவரது இயக்கத்தில் வெளிவந்த "வீடு' படத்தை 37 முறை பார்த்திருக்கிறார் பாலா. "சந்தியா ராகம்' படத்தின் போதுதான் கிளாப் போர்டு அடிக்கும் பதவி பாலாவை வந்தடைந்திருக்கிறது. "வண்ண வண்ணப் பூக்கள்' படத்தில்தான் பாலாவுக்கு இணை இயக்குநர் பதவியை தந்திருக்கிறார் பாலு மகேந்திரா. பாலா ஆரம்பித்த முதல் படம் "அகிலன்'. ஏ.வி.எம். பிள்ளையார் கோயிலில் போடப்பட்ட பூஜையுடன் அப்படம் நின்று போனது.
கமல்ஹாசன் மற்றும் இளையராஜா இருவரும்தான் தன் சினிமா வாழ்க்கையின் பிதாமகன்கள் என சொல்லியிருக்கிறார். இளையராஜாவை எப்போது பார்த்தாலும் காலைத் தொட்டு வணங்கி விட்டுத்தான் பேசவே ஆரம்பிப்பார். மனதுக்கும், உடலுக்கும் ஆறுதல் தேவைப்படும் போதெல்லாம் குமரியின் விவேகானந்தர் பாறையில் இருப்பார் பாலா. ÷முதல் படமான "அகிலன்' டிராப் ஆன பொழுதில் இருந்து அங்கு செல்வதை வழக்கமாக வைத்திருக்கிறார். பாலாவின் படங்கள் மீது மணிரத்னத்துக்கு தனி பிரியம் உண்டு. ஒரு முறை விக்ரமிடம் ""நான் கடவுள் பார்த்தேன். எப்படி மனம், உடல் பிறழ்ந்தவர்களை நடிக்க வைக்க முடிந்தது. அதைப் பற்றி யோசித்தால் தலை சுற்றுகிறது'' என்று சொல்லியிருக்கிறார் மணி.
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From: Sarna on 11th October 2010 02:08 PM [Full View]
Shankar thanks for Endhiran man 
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From: Riyazz on 11th October 2010 05:08 PM [Full View]
voted for mani ratnam
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From: MADDY on 11th October 2010 05:11 PM [Full View]
neenga namakku close cousin pola Originally Posted by Riyazz
(voting for ARR, mani in polls )
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From: Riyazz on 11th October 2010 05:21 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by MADDY
neenga namakku close cousin pola Originally Posted by Riyazz
(voting for ARR, mani in polls ) im big fan of mani. i like pagal nilavu,mouna ragam , idayathai irudate ................. all mani films... except ayuda ezutthu
and ar rahman also
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From: Sarna on 11th October 2010 05:27 PM [Full View]
now only seeing the poll options.... no shankar in the poll Originally Posted by Sarna
Shankar
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From: raajarasigan on 11th October 2010 08:26 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Sarna
now only seeing the poll options.... no shankar in the poll Originally Posted by Sarna
Shankar this is too much... commercial director'na kevalama... Kamal is also missing...
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From: vithagan on 11th October 2010 08:28 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Sarna
now only seeing the poll options.... no shankar in the poll Originally Posted by Sarna
Shankar GM or Ameer should be replaced by Shankar in the poll 
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From: Maniraj on 11th October 2010 08:28 PM [Full View]
Perarasu missing Originally Posted by raajarasigan
Originally Posted by Sarna
now only seeing the poll options.... no shankar in the poll Originally Posted by Sarna
Shankar this is too much... commercial director'na kevalama... Kamal is also missing... ... Commercial Panchamirutham
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From: raajarasigan on 11th October 2010 08:30 PM [Full View]
Ameer should be there just for PV... but GM Originally Posted by vithagan
Originally Posted by Sarna
now only seeing the poll options.... no shankar in the poll Originally Posted by Sarna
Shankar GM or Ameer should be replaced by Shankar in the poll I would rather see Selva in the list...
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From: Maniraj on 11th October 2010 08:32 PM [Full View]
Voted for Maniratnam
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From: Sarna on 11th October 2010 08:35 PM [Full View]
raajarasigan, GM deserves to be in the poll for his latest gem VTV
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From: Parthyy on 11th October 2010 08:39 PM [Full View]
AE definately one of the best from Mani..though not commercially success.......New screenplay pattern Originally Posted by Riyazz
Originally Posted by MADDY
neenga namakku close cousin pola Originally Posted by Riyazz
(voting for ARR, mani in polls ) im big fan of mani. i like pagal nilavu,mouna ragam , idayathai irudate ................. all mani films... except ayuda ezutthu
and ar rahman also
I saw it 4 times in theatres only for Songs,BGM,Camerawork,Lead actors (out of surya films this is his best for me)....
If it was released now, thanks to Multiplex era sure it would have been hit...
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From: Parthyy on 11th October 2010 08:41 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Maniraj
Perarasu missing Originally Posted by raajarasigan
Originally Posted by Sarna
now only seeing the poll options.... no shankar in the poll Originally Posted by Sarna
Shankar this is too much... commercial director'na kevalama... Kamal is also missing... ... Commercial Panchamirutham
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From: Sudarsh on 11th October 2010 09:03 PM [Full View]
Even though Rajeev Menon is not there in this list and hasn't done too many movies in tamil he has given two good films Minsara Kanavu and Kandukonden Kandukonden.
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From: MADDY on 11th October 2010 09:08 PM [Full View]
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
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From: gurusaravanan on 11th October 2010 09:10 PM [Full View]
Bala
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From: Riyazz on 12th October 2010 12:00 AM [Full View]
maddy add bakyaraj
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From: venkkiram on 12th October 2010 12:18 AM [Full View]
தங்கர் பச்சான்
சேரன்
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From: venkkiram on 12th October 2010 12:23 AM [Full View]
மிஷ்கின்
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From: ajithfederer on 12th October 2010 12:24 AM [Full View]
Appo odina rattha aaru ellam marakka mudiyuma
Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
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From: kid-glove on 12th October 2010 12:48 AM [Full View]
Don't remind us. We are good friends now. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Appo odina rattha aaru ellam marakka mudiyuma
Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
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From: jaiganes on 12th October 2010 01:01 AM [Full View]
yaen enna aachu? Gautam menon is widely regarded as the scorcese of chennai aache! Originally Posted by kid-glove
Don't remind us. We are good friends now. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Appo odina rattha aaru ellam marakka mudiyuma
Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
Pengal manasula irukaradha puttu puttu vaikaradhula killedi appdi ippdinnu sila maasangaL munaadi talk irundhuche. ippo enna aachu?
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From: app_engine on 12th October 2010 01:08 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: kid-glove on 12th October 2010 01:23 AM [Full View]
Naan adha pathi pesala. Maddy and I have a history wrt this topic (Kamal as one of the best directors). Feddy-A athellam nyabaga padutha vENDAmnu sonnEn. About G Menon, athu unga kavalai
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From: Movie Cop on 12th October 2010 03:07 AM [Full View]
IMHO, Bhagyaraj is a great screen-play writer. But director? He is good but his wrting skills is >>> than his directorial skills. We often tend to mix/credit writing skills with directorial skills ( though that seems fair enough to me in Indian cinema).
Though KH is a great director, it is the "writer" Kamal that really stands tall for me. For example, I think, a script like Virumandi, if he would have handed off the script to a reasonalbly good director - there is very little could have went wrong with the movie. The output would have been 70-80% of what we saw with "Kamal directed" Virumandi.
OTOH, film-makers like Bharathiraja and Balu Mahendra rely heavily on their directorial skills than writing skills. they fouxs more on the characters and zoom into the finer nuances of the situations that these charatcers face. Even with a wafer thin story line, or a less complicated/intense narration style, they could still craft a "poem" out of nothing. Among the contemporary directors, Bala & Gautham belongs to the BR/BM category. So there is nothing wrong in having Gautham in the poll, I think.
Ameer is a mixed bag. I haven't been impressed with Ameer as much as I'm with Gautham. I'm hoping for much more better works from Ameer in future.
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From: jaiganes on 12th October 2010 03:58 AM [Full View]
I think it is a huge mistake to even place GM in a sentence which has BR,BM or Bala. GM is a director who makes taut movies and hasnt shown me any glimpses of directorial vision that surpasses the content. He makes interesting movies, yet not made a masterpiece that can write his name automatically in the plaque containing names of BR, BM, Mani, Bala etc., VA was half well crossed and VTV is a non starter. Kakka Kakka was encounter movies redux with hollywood inspirations galore.Bala & Gautham belongs to the BR/BM category.
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From: venkkiram on 12th October 2010 04:32 AM [Full View]
அழகி, சொல்ல மறந்த கதை, சிதம்பரத்தில் ஒரு அப்பாசாமி, பள்ளிக் கூடம், ஒன்பது ரூபாய் நோட்டு போன்ற படைப்புக்களை தந்த தங்கர்பச்சான் சிறந்த இயக்குனர்களுக்கான பட்டியல்களில் இடம்பெற தகுதியானவர்.
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From: jaiganes on 12th October 2010 05:08 AM [Full View]
I can appreciate his POV, but not how he presents it. More often than not - he presents a very exaggerated view of what he sees. That is not something that is a sign of a good director. One guy who could have been an alltime great director but did not turn out to be is Ahathiyan. He had that skill of presenting interesting characters interacting with each other and casually moving along creating a plot line. He lost his sights due to personal problems. He really might have become a great director and his Gokulaththil Seedhai is a great piece of film making. Originally Posted by venkkiram
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From: omega on 12th October 2010 05:43 AM [Full View]
Can't agree more on your views about both GM & Agathiyan. Originally Posted by jaiganes
I can appreciate his POV, but not how he presents it. More often than not - he presents a very exaggerated view of what he sees. That is not something that is a sign of a good director. One guy who could have been an alltime great director but did not turn out to be is Ahathiyan. He had that skill of presenting interesting characters interacting with each other and casually moving along creating a plot line. He lost his sights due to personal problems. He really might have become a great director and his Gokulaththil Seedhai is a great piece of film making. Originally Posted by venkkiram
I loved Agathiyan's Vidukadhai as well....
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From: Movie Cop on 12th October 2010 08:05 AM [Full View]
Both VA and VTV are right up there to be called a masterpiece or master-stroke or what whatever it is you would want to name. Originally Posted by jaiganes
VTV - Non starter? Seriously?
Dramatization/sensationalization etc. has been part of Tamil cinema (and more so especially in the case of louu stories). So, could understand if it takes time for some of our folks to warm up to VTV or even VA kind of movies.
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From: venkkiram on 12th October 2010 08:49 AM [Full View]
பாரதிராஜா நிகழ்த்திக் காட்டாத மிகைப்படுத்தலா? எனது all time testing machine - பாரதிராஜா தனது எண்ணங்களை வெளிப்படுத்தும் முயற்சிகள். அதையெல்லாம் ஜீரணித்து உள்வாங்க பழகிவிட்டதால், தங்கர் பச்சானை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதில் எந்தவித இடைஞ்சலும் தெரியவில்லை. சிறந்த இயக்குனரது முயற்சிகள் கவிதையாக இருக்கும். தங்கரிடமும் அதைக் காண்கிறேன். Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: MADDY on 12th October 2010 11:02 AM [Full View]
ah come on, BR and bachan? BR had this knack of presenting the tension between characters and sequences in a convincing way.......there is no migai or kurai there - thats just perfect filmmaking, with filmmaker having control of his thoughts and sticking to storyline.....BR is a legend Originally Posted by venkkiram
பாரதிராஜா நிகழ்த்திக் காட்டாத மிகைப்படுத்தலா? எனது all time testing machine - பாரதிராஜா தனது எண்ணங்களை வெளிப்படுத்தும் முயற்சிகள். அதையெல்லாம் ஜீரணித்து உள்வாங்க பழகிவிட்டதால், தங்கர் பச்சானை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதில் எந்தவித இடைஞ்சலும் தெரியவில்லை. சிறந்த இயக்குனரது முயற்சிகள் கவிதையாக இருக்கும். தங்கரிடமும் அதைக் காண்கிறேன். Originally Posted by jaiganes
jai, ennadhu GM is sorcesse of chennai-aa ........he is good but not great surely......i dont think he can ever be.....but he has this attractive snippets like HJ music, surya's looks, maniratnam style dialogues which makes his movie stick - he is intelligent but not great
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From: groucho070 on 12th October 2010 11:34 AM [Full View]
+1 I am willing to compare him to Michael Mann, but Mann is too great for me. Originally Posted by MADDY
jai, ennadhu GM is sorcesse of chennai-aa ........he is good but not great surely......i dont think he can ever be.....but he has this attractive snippets like HJ music, surya's looks, maniratnam style dialogues which makes his movie stick - he is intelligent but not great
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From: Ramakrishna on 12th October 2010 12:02 PM [Full View]
why? Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
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From: MADDY on 12th October 2010 12:27 PM [Full View]
i mean ahead of bagyaraj and kamalhassan - nevaire :P Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
why? Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
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From: Thirumaran on 12th October 2010 12:35 PM [Full View]
mudiyum.. puthusaa raththa aaru oadinaa.. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Appo odina rattha aaru ellam marakka mudiyuma
Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
Verum Kamal and Mani mattum poll la poattu puthu raththam paaichalaamaa
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From: MADDY on 12th October 2010 12:36 PM [Full View]
excellent idea - but lets include others as well....nyayam-nnu onnu irukkula :P Originally Posted by Thirumaran
mudiyum.. puthusaa raththa aaru oadinaa.. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Appo odina rattha aaru ellam marakka mudiyuma
Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
Verum Kamal and Mani mattum poll la poattu puthu raththam paaichalaamaa
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From: Thirumaran on 12th October 2010 12:41 PM [Full View]
appa puthu list prepare pannittu sollunga.. Originally Posted by MADDY
excellent idea - but lets include others as well....nyayam-nnu onnu irukkula :P Originally Posted by Thirumaran
mudiyum.. puthusaa raththa aaru oadinaa.. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
Appo odina rattha aaru ellam marakka mudiyuma
Originally Posted by MADDY
i definitely regret putting Ameer and Gautam in this list.......i started the thread 3 yrs back.......if given a chance, i would include bagyaraj/pandiaraj and kamalhassan in the list....
Verum Kamal and Mani mattum poll la poattu puthu raththam paaichalaamaa
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From: MADDY on 12th October 2010 04:58 PM [Full View]
yaarum interesta irukkra madhiriye theriyalaye
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From: Riyazz on 12th October 2010 05:11 PM [Full View]
1. bharathiraja
2.balumahendra
3.s.p.muthuraman
4.bakhyaraj
5.mani rattnam
6.shankar
7.bala
8.gautham
9.dharani
10.k.balachander
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From: varunlss12 on 12th October 2010 07:09 PM [Full View]
Bala's storyline
Gautam's making style and romance
Maniratnam's story plot and screen play
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From: Thirumaran on 12th October 2010 07:22 PM [Full View]
ithellaam naama thaan uruvaakanum.. intha director over rated.. antha director survived because of that hero.. appadi ippadinnu yaaraachchum bit poattaa interest vanthittu poaguthu.. Originally Posted by MADDY
yaarum interesta irukkra madhiriye theriyalaye
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From: sathya_1979 on 12th October 2010 07:24 PM [Full View]
U can be a Great Journalist Originally Posted by Thirumaran
ithellaam naama thaan uruvaakanum.. intha director over rated.. antha director survived because of that hero.. appadi ippadinnu yaaraachchum bit poattaa interest vanthittu poaguthu.. Originally Posted by MADDY
yaarum interesta irukkra madhiriye theriyalaye
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From: jaiganes on 12th October 2010 10:10 PM [Full View]
i tried my feeble attempt at sarcastic fun when i made the kamparisan. nyways lets let it go - I dont want to insult scorcese here... Originally Posted by MADDY
ah come on, BR and bachan? BR had this knack of presenting the tension between characters and sequences in a convincing way.......there is no migai or kurai there - thats just perfect filmmaking, with filmmaker having control of his thoughts and sticking to storyline.....BR is a legend Originally Posted by venkkiram
பாரதிராஜா நிகழ்த்திக் காட்டாத மிகைப்படுத்தலா? எனது all time testing machine - பாரதிராஜா தனது எண்ணங்களை வெளிப்படுத்தும் முயற்சிகள். அதையெல்லாம் ஜீரணித்து உள்வாங்க பழகிவிட்டதால், தங்கர் பச்சானை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதில் எந்தவித இடைஞ்சலும் தெரியவில்லை. சிறந்த இயக்குனரது முயற்சிகள் கவிதையாக இருக்கும். தங்கரிடமும் அதைக் காண்கிறேன். Originally Posted by jaiganes
jai, ennadhu GM is sorcesse of chennai-aa ........he is good but not great surely......i dont think he can ever be.....but he has this attractive snippets like HJ music, surya's looks, maniratnam style dialogues which makes his movie stick - he is intelligent but not great
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From: MADDY on 12th October 2010 10:12 PM [Full View]
sure, got it Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: jaiganes on 12th October 2010 10:40 PM [Full View]
exagerrating feelings of characters, showing them in an exagerrated way - is right up the alley of creative liberties we have given to artists. Exagerrating facts and romanticizing the extreme portrayal of facts is borderline insanity. Two directors suffer from this syndrome - one is thangar bacchaan and the other is shankar. I think thangar bachan can slip back into his sensitive best he attained in Azhagi - but Shankar - after a watch of endhiran it is proven - information manipulation syndrome is in its advanced stage - in short poota case... Originally Posted by venkkiram
பாரதிராஜா நிகழ்த்திக் காட்டாத மிகைப்படுத்தலா? எனது all time testing machine - பாரதிராஜா தனது எண்ணங்களை வெளிப்படுத்தும் முயற்சிகள். அதையெல்லாம் ஜீரணித்து உள்வாங்க பழகிவிட்டதால், தங்கர் பச்சானை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதில் எந்தவித இடைஞ்சலும் தெரியவில்லை. சிறந்த இயக்குனரது முயற்சிகள் கவிதையாக இருக்கும். தங்கரிடமும் அதைக் காண்கிறேன். Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: kid-glove on 12th October 2010 10:49 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by groucho070
+1 I am willing to compare him to Michael Mann. Originally Posted by MADDY
jai, ennadhu GM is sorcesse of chennai-aa ........he is good but not great surely......i dont think he can ever be.....but he has this attractive snippets like HJ music, surya's looks, maniratnam style dialogues which makes his movie stick - he is intelligent but not great
athu!but Mann is too great for me
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From: Movie Cop on 12th October 2010 11:00 PM [Full View]
K-G, Originally Posted by kid-glove
Disagree. Originally Posted by Movie Cop
dont get me wrong here. I love Kamal the director as much as many others do. I'm only saying Kamal the writer is way too greater than Kamal the director or at least based on the movies he has directed or "ghost directed" so far. It is like complementing, Viv Richards for his fielding (eventhough he was one of the best fielders in the world during his times) but people remember him for his devastating batting and that is his USP. I would love to see a "Veedu" or "Uthiri Pookal" kind of films directed as well by Kamal - where he goes a bit easy on writing a more complex screenplay (a la Hey ram, Virumandi, 10A) etc.
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From: kid-glove on 12th October 2010 11:20 PM [Full View]
Not right. You should compare 10A with Hey Ram, the writer is the same but the man(KSR) who okayed the "take" is simply incompetent. Watch the mis-en-scene, shot choreography and acting (except for Kamal, the accent and stagy persona of all the "actors", I think they call Asin an actor, make it hilariously phony) in 12th century Chola set-up, and silly props like the butterfly flapping over the screen (dude!). Originally Posted by Movie Cop
K-G, Originally Posted by kid-glove
Disagree. Originally Posted by Movie Cop
dont get me wrong here. I love Kamal the director as much as many others do. I'm only saying Kamal the writer is way too greater than Kamal the director or at least based on the movies he has directed or "ghost directed" so far. It is like complementing, Viv Richards for his fielding (eventhough he was one of the best fielders in the world during his times) but people remember him for his devastating batting and that is his USP. I would love to see a "Veedu" or "Uthiri Pookal" kind of films directed as well by Kamal - where he goes a bit easy on writing a more complex screenplay (a la Hey ram, Virumandi, 10A) etc.
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From: Movie Cop on 12th October 2010 11:25 PM [Full View]
since there are too many eggs in the basket - let me take one at a time and comment. Originally Posted by jaiganes
exagerrating feelings of characters, showing them in an exagerrated way - is right up the alley of creative liberties we have given to artists. Exagerrating facts and romanticizing the extreme portrayal of facts is borderline insanity. Two directors suffer from this syndrome - one is thangar bacchaan and the other is shankar. I think thangar bachan can slip back into his sensitive best he attained in Azhagi - but Shankar - after a watch of endhiran it is proven - information manipulation syndrome is in its advanced stage - in short poota case... Originally Posted by venkkiram
பாரதிராஜா நிகழ்த்திக் காட்டாத மிகைப்படுத்தலா? எனது all time testing machine - பாரதிராஜா தனது எண்ணங்களை வெளிப்படுத்தும் முயற்சிகள். அதையெல்லாம் ஜீரணித்து உள்வாங்க பழகிவிட்டதால், தங்கர் பச்சானை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வதில் எந்தவித இடைஞ்சலும் தெரியவில்லை. சிறந்த இயக்குனரது முயற்சிகள் கவிதையாக இருக்கும். தங்கரிடமும் அதைக் காண்கிறேன். Originally Posted by jaiganes
I agree with this point. Though I disagree that this should be the rule of film-making. We may not have warmed up yet in Tamil cinema, but we should also be prepared to see "as is" characters with less sensationalized feelings/emotions as well.exagerrating feelings of characters, showing them in an exagerrated way - is right up the alley of creative liberties we have given to artists.
It depends on the fact itself illaiya? Having watched Endhiran, and in Shankar's defence, if someone is making a fiction based on a some facts/theories (or rather using that as an excuse) to romanticise a totally different philospohy (however mundane or obvious the philosophy is, that's really besdies the point) - what wrong is it to break this (supposed) "rule"?Exagerrating facts and romanticizing the extreme portrayal of facts is borderline insanity.
The below comment is not specific to your post but a very general thought since we are talking templates and style of film making here. Having a fixation for rules and saying nalla padam na indhe 10 vishayam/template kulla, edhavadhu onulla thaan adanganum nenaikuradhu - oru cinema rasigan oda stagnanacy-uhh kooda irrukallam illaiya?
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From: Movie Cop on 12th October 2010 11:32 PM [Full View]
Kg,
With 10A we are talking KSR (director of Nattamai, Padayappa) and not Mani Ratnam. On the other way around, what would be guess/insticnt if Hey Ram was directed by MR instead of Kamal. How the movie would have fared could be anybody's guess - it could have been worse or better, you are never going to know).
I'm not saying Kamal is not a great director - he surely is. If my celebration of his directorial skills shouldn't be oversahdowed by his other skills - I need a uthiri pookal or Veedu or anjali from him - and preferably him not acting in it. That's all.
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From: thamiz on 12th October 2010 11:36 PM [Full View]
You could make some wild guesses! Come on! Originally Posted by Movie Cop
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From: Movie Cop on 12th October 2010 11:43 PM [Full View]
Ok, I have to make a really wild swag. Hey Ram would have been a better movie if MR would have directed it instead of Kamal. Happy Thamizh? Originally Posted by thamiz
You could make some wild guesses! Come on! Originally Posted by Movie Cop
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From: thamiz on 12th October 2010 11:45 PM [Full View]
Thanks. Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Ok, I have to make a really wild swag. Hey Ram would have been a better movie if MR would have directed it instead of Kamal. Happy Thamizh? Originally Posted by thamiz
You could make some wild guesses! Come on! Originally Posted by Movie Cop
I would say, it would have fared better commercially, rather!
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From: venkkiram on 13th October 2010 12:01 AM [Full View]
நேரடியாகவே விஷயத்துக்கு வருவோம். தங்கரின் எந்தப் படத்தில் மிகைப்படுத்துதல் அதிகமாக இருந்தது? Originally Posted by jaiganes
படைப்பு என வரும்போது தங்கரின் இயக்கத்தில் தெரியும் கலாபூர்வம், நேர்மை, இயல்புத்தன்மை போற்றத்தக்கது.
மற்றவர்களுக்கு வைக்கும் வரைகோடுகளை அப்படியே தங்கருக்கும் வைத்தால், அதாவது மிகை நாடி மிக்கக் கொண்டால், தங்கர் இயல்பாகவே கோபுரத்தில் வைத்து புகழப்பட வேண்டியவர்.
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From: Srimannarayanan on 13th October 2010 12:03 AM [Full View]
Apdiye story ,screenplay and dialogukkum, yarr panna nallia irukkumnu sollunga. Originally Posted by Movie Cop
Ok, I have to make a really wild swag. Hey Ram would have been a better movie if MR would have directed it instead of Kamal. Happy Thamizh? Originally Posted by thamiz
You could make some wild guesses! Come on! Originally Posted by Movie Cop
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From: Srimannarayanan on 13th October 2010 12:05 AM [Full View]
Few scenes in Solla Marandha Kadhai Originally Posted by venkkiram
நேரடியாகவே விஷயத்துக்கு வருவோம். தங்கரின் எந்தப் படத்தில் மிகைப்படுத்துதல் அதிகமாக இருந்தது? Originally Posted by jaiganes
படைப்பு என வரும்போது தங்கரின் இயக்கத்தில் தெரியும் கலாபூர்வம், நேர்மை, இயல்புத்தன்மை போற்றத்தக்கது.
மற்றவர்களுக்கு வைக்கும் வரைகோடுகளை அப்படியே தங்கருக்கும் வைத்தால், அதாவது மிகை நாடி மிக்கக் கொண்டால், தங்கர் இயல்பாகவே கோபுரத்தில் வைத்து புகழப்பட வேண்டியவர்.
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From: kid-glove on 13th October 2010 12:30 AM [Full View]
I don't think MR could have directed Hey Ram for the better. He's a bit too noncommittal to pull that off. I think you greatly underrate KH's directing skills. As for Veedu kind of minimalistic films, Guna/Mahanadhi shows potential (relatively of course, they don't ride on a minimal narrative as Veedu does!). How he sets the milieu in single tracking shot of Guna, and how it takes only a shot or two to define the characters, such is the economy of expression! Some say it's Santhana Bharathi? Athu (inn)oru karuthu. I don't buy it.
Yes, I love the writer. But craft of the director shouldn't be overlooked.
Here's one particular classification,
a) ideas (Simply that! Not much of a formal treatment is needed, Eg. Anbe Sivam. Seems shoddy under hands of hacks when it's an ambitious script like 10A. With a far more competent filmmaker like Mysskin or Selva, it would be agreeable!) ,
b) images (Primarily the image conjures the ideas. I'm not saying they efface the content, but that the visuals take precedence. When done well with stylistic consistency, it passes for artistic merit, Eg. Veedu),
c) ideas and images (from the idea, the image is conjured. But the director's language of images is carefully and intimately wedded to its themes, that it leads back to deeper layers and ideas. These are envisioned by great directors, not just the writer. They decide how the actors look, how they react, what/how props are set, how/what the camera looks at, how it moves, exactly what is being underlined in the image! Example: Thevar Magan, Guna, Mahanadhi, Hey! Ram, Virumandi.)
You need a good writer for a), and c). Even b) is not done without a script. Still though you need more than just a competent director to make a) reachable, a great director is needed for b), but a greater one in case of c).
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From: venkkiram on 13th October 2010 01:03 AM [Full View]
எல்லாமே கமல் படமா இருக்கே! வேறு இயக்குனர்கள் இதுவரை இந்த C கூடையில் பொருந்துவது போல, படங்கள் எடுத்ததே யில்லையா? Originally Posted by kid-glove
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From: kid-glove on 13th October 2010 01:14 AM [Full View]
Topic in question is director Kamal, and the film brought to fore by MC is Veedu.
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From: MADDY on 13th October 2010 10:50 AM [Full View]
where is feeyar - the man who feels writing is almost the film.......how he would differentiate between writing and direction
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From: app_engine on 28th October 2010 02:05 AM [Full View]
Stumbled upon this today:
From the Sridhar obituary thread in the old-TF section.அருகில் இருந்த இயக்குநர் சந்தான பாரதி, ``ஸ்ரீதர் சாரிடம் உதவி இயக்குநராக ஐந்தாண்டுகள் (1975-80) பணியாற்றினேன். என்னை சொந்தப் பிள்ளையைப் போல் பார்த்துக் கொண்டார். அப்போதெல்லாம் யாரை அழைத்தாலும் என் பெயரைச் சொல்லியே அழைப்பார். அந்தளவுக்கு என் மீது பாசம் வைத்திருந்தார். எங்களுடன் டேபிள் டென்னிஸ் விளையாடுவார். கார்ட்ஸ் விளையாடுவார். நானும், அவரது மற்றொரு உதவியாளருமான பி.வாசுவும் இணைந்து, `பன்னீர் புஷ்பங்கள்' படத்தை இயக்கினோம். அந்தப் படத்தைப் பார்த்த இயக்குநர், எங்களை கட்டித் தழுவி `என்னோட சிஷ்யன்னு நிரூபிச்சிட்டீங்கடா' என்று உணர்ச்சிவசப்பட்டார்!'' என்று அழுதே விட்டார் சந்தானபாரதி
For the attention of those who keep harping on as " Santhanabharathi is a benami"
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From: kid-glove on 28th October 2010 02:08 AM [Full View]
Adhu oru karuthu :P Originally Posted by app_engine
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From: Miss Kavya on 4th November 2010 12:31 AM [Full View]
Mahendran
Arumayana Padaippugal...
Oor Panjayathu 1992
Kannukku Mai Ezhuthu 1986
Kai Kodukkam Kai 1984
Metti 1982
Azhagiya Kanney 1982
Nandu 1981
Nenjathai Killathe 1981
Poottata Pootukkal 1979
Utharipookal 1979
Johnny 1979
Mullum Malarum 1978
Director Mani Ratnam once famously remarked: "If I get anywhere near what Mahendran did in Udhiri Pookkal, I’ll be a happy man."
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From: NOV on 9th November 2010 02:28 PM [Full View]
its here PR!
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From: P_R on 9th November 2010 02:45 PM [Full View]
Thanks NOV
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From: kid-glove on 10th November 2010 09:34 PM [Full View]
Where are the posts on Welles/Hitchcock/Shadow of a Doubt ?
P_R,
I read your clarification on Welles-Manckwiecz yesterday, in response to my comment in Enthiran thread. Had typed a response to your post yesterday, but other EoD deliverables cropped up. Then accidentally closed the window. #FML
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From: P_R on 10th November 2010 10:09 PM [Full View]
Moved it to the Waeld Movies Section (Fav. Director Thread).
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From: HonestRaj on 11th November 2010 11:54 PM [Full View]
when people talk about the director & their assistants.. they start with BR,, move thru Baghyraj.. then pandiyarajan / parthiban.. then a long list ...
no body is coming thru this side.. BR - Manivannan .. & he had a few notable assistants in RK Selvamani <gave a couple of memorable films>.. alwa vasu.. < become a side kick to vadivelu>.. seeman < thamizhan in tamil nadu>..
we don't notice him much.. sundar c.. from sundar.. others came out are.. selvabarathy, boopathy pandian, suraaj..
seeman --> rasu madhuravan..... one thing to share.. < i was talking with my friend & he told, innaikku copy adikkama, remake illama thamizh'la padam edukkuradhu Rasu Madhuravan group mattumthan >
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From: m_23_bayarea on 12th November 2010 12:38 AM [Full View]
How about this line-up? Manirathnam - Rajeev Menon - Gowtham Menon... Originally Posted by HonestRaj
when people talk about the director & their assistants.. they start with BR,, move thru Baghyraj.. then pandiyarajan / parthiban.. then a long list ...
no body is coming thru this side.. BR - Manivannan .. & he had a few notable assistants in RK Selvamani <gave a couple of memorable films>.. alwa vasu.. < become a side kick to vadivelu>.. seeman < thamizhan in tamil nadu>..
we don't notice him much.. sundar c.. from sundar.. others came out are.. selvabarathy, boopathy pandian, suraaj..
seeman --> rasu madhuravan..... one thing to share.. < i was talking with my friend & he told, innaikku copy adikkama, remake illama thamizh'la padam edukkuradhu Rasu Madhuravan group mattumthan >
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From: jaiganes on 12th November 2010 12:40 AM [Full View]
Did Rajeev menon assist mani? I dont think so. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
How about this line-up? Manirathnam - Rajeev Menon - Gowtham Menon... Originally Posted by HonestRaj
when people talk about the director & their assistants.. they start with BR,, move thru Baghyraj.. then pandiyarajan / parthiban.. then a long list ...
no body is coming thru this side.. BR - Manivannan .. & he had a few notable assistants in RK Selvamani <gave a couple of memorable films>.. alwa vasu.. < become a side kick to vadivelu>.. seeman < thamizhan in tamil nadu>..
we don't notice him much.. sundar c.. from sundar.. others came out are.. selvabarathy, boopathy pandian, suraaj..
seeman --> rasu madhuravan..... one thing to share.. < i was talking with my friend & he told, innaikku copy adikkama, remake illama thamizh'la padam edukkuradhu Rasu Madhuravan group mattumthan >
GM was assistant to Rajeev in KKKK but that was a strickly OK film.
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From: m_23_bayarea on 12th November 2010 12:47 AM [Full View]
I think I saw Rajeev Menon in one of Mani's movie credits... Not sure if it's Bombay! But I know for sure, he worked with Mani in some movie... Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: jaiganes on 12th November 2010 12:53 AM [Full View]
Yes Rajeev menon shot Bombay and Guru. I feel he focusses on pretty pictures too much (probably jingle effect). Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
I think I saw Rajeev Menon in one of Mani's movie credits... Not sure if it's Bombay! But I know for sure, he worked with Mani in some movie... Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: varunlss12 on 12th November 2010 06:12 AM [Full View]
Rajeev got offer to do lead role in Roja but he didnt.... Originally Posted by jaiganes
Yes Rajeev menon shot Bombay and Guru. I feel he focusses on pretty pictures too much (probably jingle effect). Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
I think I saw Rajeev Menon in one of Mani's movie credits... Not sure if it's Bombay! But I know for sure, he worked with Mani in some movie... Originally Posted by jaiganes
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From: MADDY on 12th November 2010 08:21 AM [Full View]
i think GVM assisted Rajeev in minsara kanavu which is a much more OK film Originally Posted by jaiganes
.........and yes, bay, Rajeev has never assisted Mani sir - it was mere cinematographer-director relationship
Mani's assistants(notable ones) are susi ganesan, priya (kannamoochi yenada fame), azhagam perumal, actor siddarth, actor karthi, jayam kondan director........i dont think any of them caught mani's real vision of film making - so far, karthi seems to be the most bright student of his
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From: Plum on 12th November 2010 08:34 AM [Full View]
K Subash
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From: groucho070 on 12th November 2010 08:34 AM [Full View]
You can add Manoj (BR), who seemed to be set in directing Sigappu Rojakkal which he claims is not a remake but along the same lines. Enamo pongga.
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From: Plum on 12th November 2010 08:35 AM [Full View]
Shaad ali
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From: MADDY on 12th November 2010 08:36 AM [Full View]
he assisted sangar sir in Endhiran not mani Originally Posted by groucho070
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From: groucho070 on 12th November 2010 08:43 AM [Full View]
I thought he did. Like way before Endhiran. Only evidence I got is this: http://www.jointscene.com/artists/Kollywood/Manoj/210
But I do recall interviews back then talking about it, both by him and his dad.
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From: Plum on 12th November 2010 08:51 AM [Full View]
Yes. Evev before he blessed us with his acting, Manoj is said to have assisted Mani
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From: m_karthik on 12th November 2010 09:08 AM [Full View]
Maddy, you mean Kanda Naal mudhal rite? Originally Posted by MADDY
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From: AudazJay on 12th November 2010 09:27 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by m_karthik
Maddy, you mean Kanda Naal mudhal rite? Originally Posted by MADDY
she also directed kannamochi yennada, her second film after KNM
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From: m_karthik on 12th November 2010 09:49 AM [Full View]
Yes.. Originally Posted by AudazJay
Originally Posted by m_karthik
Maddy, you mean Kanda Naal mudhal rite? Originally Posted by MADDY
she also directed kannamochi yennada, her second film after KNM
But Fame nu oru word use panni irundhaaru.. Kannamoochi Yenada ku fame ah nu oru doubt...
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From: AudazJay on 12th November 2010 09:53 AM [Full View]
guess i missed the joke
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From: m_23_bayarea on 12th November 2010 11:02 AM [Full View]
Thanks for the clarification guys! Whatever it is, Rajeev did work for MR, and that matters no matter what the role they played. He's got to have the influence of MR being part of the Master's team! Originally Posted by MADDY
i think GVM assisted Rajeev in minsara kanavu which is a much more OK film Originally Posted by jaiganes
.........and yes, bay, Rajeev has never assisted Mani sir - it was mere cinematographer-director relationship
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From: jaiganes on 6th January 2011 07:20 AM [Full View]
http://www.jmionline.org/jmi6_2.html
Got to read a wonderful writeup on many films and also the subject of my interest of late - Bharathiraaja's "En Uyir thozhan" . Makes me go back and watch the movie again...
What a genius Bharathiraaja is? Wonder what happened to his prowess....
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From: AudazJay on 6th January 2011 12:24 PM [Full View]
He did. Watched Bombay yesterday. Manoj was one of the assistant directors there. Originally Posted by Plum
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From: mareen on 6th January 2011 05:48 PM [Full View]
ej uss mee, where is shankar on that list?
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From: P_R on 6th January 2011 06:35 PM [Full View]
I don't remember much of the movie at all only BR's v/o last line: Originally Posted by jaiganes
விடை கிடைத்தால் விடியுமா?
விடிந்தால் விடை கிடைக்குமா ?
Must watch it again.
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From: Pras on 6th January 2011 06:47 PM [Full View]
read it as "blesser", in french Originally Posted by Plum
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From: P_R on 6th January 2011 07:02 PM [Full View]
Jai, I underdstand that these articles are not for everyone. But every now and then because I fool myself into thinking because the words make sense (unlike say journal articles in the sciences) I should get the content.
How does one say such things? How does something move from 'being posited' to 'being a thoery' to being 'widely accepted as a convicingly'. எனக்கு ஒரே புகைமூட்டமா இருக்கும்.This gap in popular cinema between the speaking voice and the image can be mapped onto an opposition between idealism and materialism. The precedence of voice is a symptom of the idealist basis of cultural identity.
If a poet, novelist, heck even an art critic is making an allegory up all it needs to do is 'be appealing'.
When I encounter something like this, the way I start thinking is:
1 what is an example of a non-idealist basis for cultural identity
a would any culture be willing to call its basis non-idealist??
b so is basis being accorded by the observer or, is it something acknowledged by the society itself (how do you define acknowledgement?!)
2 in an example of a culture whose basis is non-idealist, is it possible to still have voice to be precedent?
and so on...
Naan essay padichA maadhiri dhaan. This is what invariably happens/happened.
Casual essay, review padikkumbOdhu 'adhu oru karuthu'nu sollittu proceed paNravan, journal article-nu vandhA karaar aayidarEn. Progress is impossible.
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From: equanimus on 6th January 2011 07:39 PM [Full View]
jaiganes/PR,
I was just trying to read that essay myself (and also made a mental note that I should try to read more of the author to see where he usually comes from). I've to say I more or less completely failed to see the point. I felt it was densely theoretical about fairly obvious things (the beginning parts of the essay) in some parts and fairly obscurantist in others (like the line PR just quoted).
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From: equanimus on 6th January 2011 07:48 PM [Full View]
For instance, the 4th paragraph. I understand whatever he's saying there, but the point he's making beats me completely.Is he suggesting that sound is in this respect more potent than the image? suththamA viLangalai. Originally Posted by M. Madhava Prasad
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From: Krillin on 6th January 2011 07:52 PM [Full View]
why is Ameer amongst these greats?
Mounam Pesiyadhe was different, but was't great.
Raam was ambitious, but didn't come off well commercially and only achieved fame bcos of the mediocre films at the time
.....and Paruthi Veeran was great but had its flaws too - is one super success enough to consider him seriously?
...and Yogi, his ghost-direction, was silly.
It hurts to see him beat Bala, GVM and be on level terms with someone as prolific as Sridhar!
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From: raajarasigan on 6th January 2011 07:57 PM [Full View]
Yogi was NOT directed by Ameer. guess it was Subramaniam Siva
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From: equanimus on 6th January 2011 07:59 PM [Full View]
Or take the 8th paragraph. What does it say particularly about speech or voice or sound in a film? I think he's basically suggesting that the film ultimately tries to "convey" something to the audience and it takes precedence over everything else (sound, voice, speech, text, image and what not) conveyed to characters within the film. Whatever he says here, wouldn't it apply to other mediums of human perception as well?! Originally Posted by M. Madhava Prasad
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From: Nerd on 6th January 2011 08:00 PM [Full View]
ivaru ennang pannipOttaaru, apart from being a wannabe Mani Ratnam?! Originally Posted by Krillin
Minnale - Nice timepass. Not groundbreaking or anything. Was not ambitious too.
KK - Wannabe
VV - Wannabe #2
PKMC - OK
VTV - Between good - great.
At least Ameer's PV was pathbreaking. Even last year's hit Kalavaani's mannerisms are borrowed from Paruthi Veeran.
Btw, ovvoru dharam indha thread-ai thONdi edukkumbOdhum same questions, why is he there, why isnt he there etc.. seekkiram 100 page mudingappaa
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From: Plum on 6th January 2011 08:26 PM [Full View]
adhula saira banu vechu pattern, inference in movies like shagird, junglee-nu solla sollO nAn alert aagi off AyittEn
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From: jaiganes on 6th January 2011 08:37 PM [Full View]
ha ha ha ha.. Originally Posted by Plum
I got you guys - all of you!!!
I was searching for En uyir thozhan scenes video all over the net.
All I got was this article and nothing else. I cant think so divorced from the cumulative impact of the movie to appreciate the article.. however In the case of En Uyir thozhan, the author has a point.
The concept of "Sound" as an influencing aspect in that movie is undeniable. Right from the loudspeakers used by ponvannan's drama troupe to the political speech loudspeakers, the movie is a running commentary of "Sound" and its impact of persons. Particular scenes - Dilli losing his wife in the public meeting and searching for here and the much hyped by me scene of leader's voice brainwashing the worker are well discernible examples.. Rest of the article.. he he he I didnt go through much at all..
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From: ilekani on 8th January 2011 01:05 PM [Full View]
I think he's saying that we can hear (involuntarily) from outside our field of attention, alerting to us to the fact that there is something outside our notice, but to see something from outside our field of attention, we have to (to some extent, voluntarily) "glance"/direct our sight to it. Originally Posted by equanimus
For instance, the 4th paragraph. I understand whatever he's saying there, but the point he's making beats me completely.Is he suggesting that sound is in this respect more potent than the image? suththamA viLangalai. Originally Posted by M. Madhava Prasad
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From: ilekani on 8th January 2011 01:43 PM [Full View]
There is a materialist basis for cultural identities, celebrating Pongal in a building in a city with snow outside is full of reminders of the material basis for cultural practices, we can't go boil Pongal in the street, we can't draw kolams on the thinnai, we can't go pull the tails of cows, we order flowers FedExed with artificial ice, etc. Critical acknoweldgement for the material basis, well there is the association of landscapes, flowers etc with specific types of poems. Originally Posted by P_R
I don't think he is saying that voice is necessarily a symptom of idealism, I think he's saying that popular (Tamil?) cinema has the motif of voice speaking ideals v. image showing reality. I would say basically there is the importance of oratory, senthamizh speech, the DMK style alliteration etc, in early 20th c Tamil culture/cinema, which produces a later critique which contrasted this idealized voice with unhappy reality.
I have not seen the Bharatiraja movie.