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From: great
on 2nd April 2007 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
also, i hate "vaarisus" u know Joe.....
Appa G.V.Prakash-a pidikatha
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From: joe
on 2nd April 2007 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
MADDY
also, i hate "vaarisus" u know Joe.....
Appa G.V.Prakash-a pidikatha
Even ARR is a Varisu..His father worked with many MDs
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From: great
on 2nd April 2007 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
MADDY
also, i hate "vaarisus" u know Joe.....
Appa G.V.Prakash-a pidikatha
Even ARR is a Varisu..His father worked with many MDs
Exactly , whats wrong they also chooses the same line like their parents. Ithukkaaga YSR music composingLa IR vantha music pOduvaru. Appadi paatha NageshOda payyan kuda cine fieldLa try pannaru aana result
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From: Thirumaran
on 2nd April 2007 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
MADDY
also, i hate "vaarisus" u know Joe.....
Appa G.V.Prakash-a pidikatha
Even ARR is a Varisu..His father worked with many MDs
Exactly , whats wrong they also chooses the same line like their parents. Ithukkaaga YSR music composingLa IR vantha music pOduvaru. Appadi paatha NageshOda payyan kuda cine fieldLa try pannaru aana result
If the persons we love by mistakenly falls under the category we hate, then we have to change the category so as to fit the person we love
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
MADDY
also, i hate "vaarisus" u know Joe.....
Appa G.V.Prakash-a pidikatha
Even ARR is a Varisu..His father worked with many MDs
Exactly , whats wrong they also chooses the same line like their parents. Ithukkaaga YSR music composingLa IR vantha music pOduvaru. Appadi paatha NageshOda payyan kuda cine fieldLa try pannaru aana result
ARR's dad died on the day his first film released
..........he used to rent his fathers' music instrument to make ends meet...he dropped out of school in search of jobs......he never got any offers just bcos he was AK.Shekhar's son........if u want to categorise this poor boy with YSR,Simbhu,vishal,KR,GVP and other vaarisus then i must say
GOODBYE 
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 01:37 AM
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Appo Ratan Tata, Kumaramangalam Birla, Sanjay Manjrekar, Mohinder Amarnath, Norah Jones, Anoushka Shankar, Michael Douglas, Charlie Sheen, Zakir Hussain ivinga ellam dummy-a??
EKSI
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Appo Ratan Tata, Kumaramangalam Birla, Sanjay Manjrekar, Mohinder Amarnath, Norah Jones, Anoushka Shankar, Michael Douglas, Charlie Sheen, Zakir Hussain ivinga ellam dummy-a??
EKSI
IR payyana cover panna ivalavu pera kevalapaduthhureenga
.......yes, bala, i rate these ppl.'s achievements lesser than JRD.Tata, Dhirubhai Ambani, Sachin Tendulkar, ARRahman, Tom Hanks, Zubin mehta..........
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 02:05 AM
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ena nadakudhu inga
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
IR payyana cover panna ivalavu pera kevalapaduthhureenga
.......
This is not comparing one person against the other. This is to show analogy - father-son/daughter examples where the sons/daughters were acheivers in their own right. idhula sirikka onnume illa..
Originally Posted by
MADDY
yes, bala, i rate these ppl.'s achievements lesser than JRD.Tata, Dhirubhai Ambani, Sachin Tendulkar, ARRahman, Tom Hanks, Zubin mehta..........
Aan.. appadi vaanga vazhikku...
You rate them based on what? By what each did in his/her respective field? If yes, fair enough though i may not agree to a few..
However, if you base your ratings on your "offspring" theory, i can only
Forget all this, the point was NOT about who is better or worse. The whole issue was because you said you didn't like 'vaarisu's'.... So, do you mean to say you don't like any of the aforementioned because they happen to be 'vaarisu's'????
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 07:52 AM
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Vidungappa ..ARR-m oru vaarisunnu ninaikkama sollitaru ..Ippo samaalikkurarru
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From: Prasanna
on 3rd April 2007 02:11 PM
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As you guys were talking about vaarisus i thought of reminding simbu, hamsavardhan, manoj, and sibi
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 02:12 PM
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Vijay
Simbu
Vishal
Jeeva
YSR
Jithan Ramesh
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Aan.. appadi vaanga vazhikku...
You rate them based on what? By what each did in his/her respective field? If yes, fair enough though i may not agree to a few..
However, if you base your ratings on your "offspring" theory, i can only
Forget all this, the point was NOT about who is better or worse. The whole issue was because you said you didn't like 'vaarisu's'.... So, do you mean to say you don't like any of the aforementioned because they happen to be 'vaarisu's'????
yes, there are sons/daughters who out do their fathers/mothers......i do salute them........but times have changed now......getting a break in creative industry or for that matter politics or any industry is very very tuf........so, ppl. who are coming in with their father's name do have a very big advantage over outsiders......they ultimately dont realise the value/importance of the position they hold.....they also block talented new ppl. from coming in......
adhu vera onnum illa, bala, naalaikku namma "udhavakkara" manager-oda payyan namma teamukku lead-a vandha appa dhaan indha problem theriyum.......(sorry if u r already a TL or a Manager
)
Joe.....
.....remba dhaan comedy panreenga???
.........ARR appa sethhu 15 varusham kazhichhu dhaan avarukku break kedachhadhu.......unlike others who have a launch ceremony, fathers frnds singing in their albums to boost their morale, media going ga-ga over silly things they do and ultimately they flop
........
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Joe.....
.....remba dhaan comedy panreenga???
.........ARR appa sethhu 15 varusham kazhichhu dhaan avarukku break kedachhadhu
Break Kidachathu 15 varusham irukkalam ..aana Gear kidachathu eppo ,eppadi?
.Kandippa ,his father was a known figure for many MDs ,so defenitely ARR got chance to work with them .ARR worked with Ilayaraja too .Though I agree ARR's success is mostly on his talent ,his fathers invlovement in music industry gave him a visting card to get initial chances to participate.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 3rd April 2007 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
fathers frnds singing in their albums to boost their morale
whch faather? which friend?
i kow, let that come from u..
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Originally Posted by
MADDY
fathers frnds singing in their albums to boost their morale
whch faather? which friend?
i kow, let that come from u..
aaahhhhaaa,.......ooru onnu koodittaingappa, onnu koodittaingappa........
we all know whom i reffered here............picture that, such a big legend is on ur side when u step into the industry......wow, isnt that a great advantage??? did Harris have such a advantage when he came in???
also, to be fair, i shuld say, ARR also promoted his frnds' son Manoj with a stupendous score for a sotthha movie like Taj Mahal......
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 02:32 PM
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I agree with Maddy. Nowadays, it has become a trend in tamil cinema. It more or less boils down to the level of :
Industry people go to the extent of doing anything for their kids to launch them in the industry. It is more or less like a VILLAGE GUY writing Anna University entrance examinations. A city based guy who knows the background behind these things and enrolling for special training and coming up with flying colours.
> A money based reservation similar to seats like "Payment Seats" where one who doesn't even know basic maths can study Engineering / Medical.
> Even if they fail, multiple attempts being given so that the stage will look untouchable for many.
> Industry friends joining hands and doing a nything so that the kids of their gods will enjoy a kind of supremacy over others
The problem here is on the "# of oppoutunities one will get on this". Even if someone have a limited talent, they can be boosted up and can be projected as actors with enough potential.
with such power, even Chief Ministers will come and watch the respective movies. OTOH, even if some layman wandering around the high gates of the industry will be taken for a ride if he gives something better than these industry kids.
Maddy - Agree with you 100%.
Bala,
I think the TATAs are not "Vaarisus". I heard that JRD was not a son of the previous TATA. It is a custom within the TATAs. Please correct me if I am wrong
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
isnt that a great advantage???
It is
did Harris have such a advantage when he came in???
No.
So You agree ARR is atleast in the middle ,not that much advantage YSR had and better advantage than Hariss had?
Atleast
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 02:38 PM
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ARR having better advantage than YUVAN
In what way?
I still have respect for HJ though I have a soft corner for YUVAN and I like him among the current crop of MDs just for this reason.
Even now, HJ takes them for a ride and he still manages to beat them. I appreciate him for this.
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
ARR having better advantage than YUVAN
In what way?
Who told you?
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
ARR having better advantage than YUVAN
In what way?
Who told you?
So You agree ARR is atleast in the middle ,not that much advantage YSR had
I think I misunderstood this one. AFAIK, I feel that ARR is not in the same boat as YUVAN. That is what MADDY points out. HJ - I have already said more on that.
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 02:43 PM
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Selva,
You agree with Maddy 100% on what?
Atleast for me ,I didn't support varisus ,But I said ARR is not pure non-vaarisu category ,since his father worked with many MDs and known figure in music industry..Maddy has a problem in accepting this ..why ? ARR is anything exceptional?
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
So You agree ARR is atleast in the middle ,not that much advantage YSR had and better advantage than Hariss had?
Atleast
can u seriously tell me - whom u know b4 - ARRahman or A.K.Shekhar ??? (with all respects to the man)......
see, anyways, ARR started with the basic level..........playing instruments for MDs......where did "visiting card" of his father was used????
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Joe.....
.....remba dhaan comedy panreenga???
.........ARR appa sethhu 15 varusham kazhichhu dhaan avarukku break kedachhadhu.......unlike others who have a launch ceremony, fathers frnds singing in their albums to boost their morale, media going ga-ga over silly things they do and ultimately they flop
........
Ethu eppadiyo, based on varisu matter
The difference between ARR and YSR is same as the difference between IR and ARR
Ithu eppadi
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 02:46 PM
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Sibiraj
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
can u seriously tell me - whom u know b4 - ARRahman or A.K.Shekhar ??? (with all respects to the man)......
Can you seriously tell me -whom many youngsters know b4 - Vijay or SA Chandra Sekar??? ( With no respect to SAC
)
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
getting a break in creative industry or for that matter politics or any industry is very very tuf........so, ppl. who are coming in with their father's name do have a very big advantage over outsiders......they ultimately dont realise the value/importance of the position they hold.....they also block talented new ppl. from coming in......
adhu vera onnum illa, bala, naalaikku namma "udhavakkara" manager-oda payyan namma teamukku lead-a vandha appa dhaan indha problem theriyum.
Yes but we can't generalize it to imply that all vaarsus are like that.... And having the advantage is not their fault..
Yes, they get in without difficulty, but sustaining it is in fact as tough (or even tougher) than getting there...
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 02:50 PM
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But simbu is good inspite of all those dad like punches he gives some good punhc dialogues like the ones in manmadhan
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 02:51 PM
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I think there are atleast two categories of varisus
1) Best
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Surya
Vijay
Yuvan
2) Worst
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Manoj
Sibiraj
Mu ka muthu
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Selva,
You agree with Maddy 100% on what?
Atleast for me ,I didn't support varisus ,But I said ARR is not pure non-vaarisu category ,since his father worked with many MDs and known figure in music industry..Maddy has a problem in accepting this ..why ? ARR is anything exceptional?
I agree with Maddy on the VAARISU matter 100%. I checked the thread title and the initial post from Maddy. Since maddy is making a point on VAARISUs in general, I posted them.
and on the topic, I stressed on his points. The kind of supremacy star kids enjoy and the lack of level playing field in the industry. I don't care on ARR but I feel that he is not in the league of YSR.
Atleast, I am not talking about the mere word "VAARISU" and I speak in the wide perspective. The kind of things that are present in the present tamil industry
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 02:54 PM
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Selva,
Your reply with quote my post is nothing related to what I said..Sorry
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
I agree with Maddy on the VAARISU matter 100%. I checked the thread title and the initial post from Maddy. Since maddy is making a point on VAARISUs in general, I posted them.
Maddy valiyula vizhuthuteengalae Selva, his hidden aim is to attack IR and YSR
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Joe.....
.....remba dhaan comedy panreenga???
.........ARR appa sethhu 15 varusham kazhichhu dhaan avarukku break kedachhadhu.......unlike others who have a launch ceremony, fathers frnds singing in their albums to boost their morale, media going ga-ga over silly things they do and ultimately they flop
........
Ethu eppadiyo, based on varisu matter
The difference between ARR and YSR is same as the difference between IR and ARR
Sanjeevi, even IR was paavalar's brother
Joe-> SAC, puthra paasathhula pannura koothhayum, ARR-in valarchiyiya compare panna ungalaala mattum dhaan mudiyum.....
......btw, how much NT tried to promote Prabhu??? i think he was a pretty fair man on such things......
TF, yes no view/concept can be generalised...... u r right
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Joe-> SAC, puthra paasathhula pannura koothhayum, ARR-in valarchiyiya compare panna ungalaala mattum dhaan mudiyum.....
I asked the same question to make you understand your question has no relevant ..Don't try to twist
how much NT tried to promote Prabhu??? i think he was a pretty fair man on such things.
I know your Tactics.
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 03:03 PM
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What about Sivaji's grandson? Inspite of coming from influential family he is not abl to do anything
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
Maddy valiyula vizhuthuteengalae Selva, his hidden aim is to attack IR and YSR
.......hidden aim........theres nuthing hidden abt my posts.......not only YSR , i also accuse Surya,vijay,vishal,RB.Choudhary's two sons, Am.Rathnam's sons and trust me, this list is never ending one....
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:06 PM
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tamil cinema is better
in hindi
all top new generation actors...
hrithik,saif,abishek are vaarisus!
atleast here ajith and vikram among top heroes are not vaarisus!
surya is not promoted by sivakumar by producing any movies...
there is no wrong in varisus if they are talented...eg: yuvan
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Joe-> SAC, puthra paasathhula pannura koothhayum, ARR-in valarchiyiya compare panna ungalaala mattum dhaan mudiyum.....
I asked the same question to make you understand your question has no relevant ..Don't try to twist
how much NT tried to promote Prabhu??? i think he was a pretty fair man on such things.
I know your Tactics.
Joe, i asked that question bcos, i wanted to ask u wat advantage did ARR get being AK.Shekhar's son???
i shuld have directly accused NT's fans for blindly promoting prabhu.......
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
.theres nuthing hidden abt my posts.......not only YSR , i also accuse Surya,vijay,vishal,RB.Choudhary's two sons, Am.Rathnam's sons and trust me, this list is never ending one....
I don't think i understand what your point is - What do you think all the guys you listed should do? Quit the industry?
So, no son/daughter should be in the same field as his/her father/mother? If so, they don't deserve anything they achieve subsequently? So, the audience who watch them and encourage them do so because they are famous sons/daughters? Infact, sometimes its a disadvantage rather than an advantage...
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
Maddy valiyula vizhuthuteengalae Selva, his hidden aim is to attack IR and YSR
.......hidden aim........theres nuthing hidden abt my posts.......not only YSR , i also accuse Surya,vijay,vishal,RB.Choudhary's two sons, Am.Rathnam's sons and trust me, this list is never ending one....
ok sudhir i trust u
It is a big issue not only in cine field. The same problem is affecting India's politics too. And I know many Ajith fans
are disliking varusu matter and they are priasing Ajith for no-background image
Am I right?
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Joe, i asked that question bcos, i wanted to ask u wat advantage did ARR get being AK.Shekhar's son???
Less advantage than YSR had ,more advantage than Haris jayaraj ..Atleast ARR could have introduce himself to MDs that he is son of AK.Shekar ,who might have good relationship with many MDs ,thus it might have helped ARR to get initial chances to work with MDs.
i shuld have directly accused NT's fans for blindly promoting prabhu.......
I am not one among them
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:14 PM
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rd burman - he became famous than sd burman!
sometimes son can overtake father!
every vaarisu cant shine without talent....what abt prasanth?
sibiraj?
even karthik raja who is talented cant compete with other musicians nowadays!
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
And I know many Ajith fans
are disliking varusu matter and they are priasing Ajith for no-background image
Am I right?
That is not image , that is the truth! He never says i had this difficulty that difficulty etc outside he keeps his pains to himself unlike even some vaarisus who blabber on media that they worked so hard for this that etc..
Even i am hardcore Ajith fan but i dont dislike vaarisus?!?! JEEVA take for example has good flair for acting!!! SImbu too.
But point is one hsould not misuse it to suppress someone and come above them!! Play a fair game not azhuvuni aatam just because your dad is a bigshot , thats my point
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From: seran
on 3rd April 2007 03:14 PM
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There are both types
Jithan Ramesh and Jeeva are from the same family, but Jeeva is more talented... we cannot generalise all.
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
seran
There are both types
Jithan Ramesh and Jeeva are from the same family, but Jeeva is more talented... we cannot generalise all.
well said
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
seran
There are both types
Jithan Ramesh and Jeeva are from the same family, but Jeeva is more talented... we cannot generalise all.
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
MADDY
Joe, i asked that question bcos, i wanted to ask u wat advantage did ARR get being AK.Shekhar's son???
Less advantage than YSR had ,more advantage than Haris jayaraj ..Atleast ARR could have introduce himself to MDs that he is son of AK.Shekar ,who might have good relationship with many MDs ,thus it might have helped ARR to get initial chances to work with MDs.
i shuld have directly accused NT's fans for blindly promoting prabhu.......
I am not one among them
arr got chance to work with IR because of his father...how many teenagers got to work with IR?
that made him got introduced to other directors...
arr had an advantage of being varisu!
but all who worked with IR dint become ARR....thats talent
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
arr got chance to work with IR because of his father...how many teenagers got to work with IR?
that made him got introduced to other directors...
arr had an advantage of being varisu!
Appada! Ippavavathu Maddy othukkuvara paakalam
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
atleast here ajith and vikram among top heroes are not vaarisus!
IF I have to go by the logic of the space enjoyed by ARR for having a father who died, then I must say : VIKRAM is also a Vaarisu. FYI, His Father was a supporting actor who knew the knitty gritties of the industry. IF we analyze like this, Vikram too won't be in this category IMHO. That is why I separated out YUVAN.
I don't buy the point that SIVAKUMAR didn't promote his sons if u consider the "# of chances" and other factors which won't be there for many others
Sanjeevi,
I know about what MADDY is pointing out and the space. Being a man who likes YUVAN, I never fail to accept the fact he enjoyed the support from the industry guys and many IR fans. I won't blame YSR for that. But HJ is a bit ahead of YUVAN in this.
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
thimuru
atleast here ajith and vikram among top heroes are not vaarisus!
IF I have to go by the logic of the space enjoyed by ARR for having a father who died, then I must say : VIKRAM is also a Vaarisu. FYI, His Father was a supporting actor who knew the knitty gritties of the industry. IF we analyze like this, Vikram too won't be in this category IMHO. That is why I separated out YUVAN.
I don't buy the point that SIVAKUMAR didn't promote his sons if u consider the "# of chances" and other factors which won't be there for many others
Sanjeevi,
I know about what MADDY is pointing out and the space. Being a man who likes YUVAN, I never fail to accept the fact he enjoyed the support from the industry guys and many IR fans. I won't blame YSR for that. But HJ is a bit ahead of YUVAN in this.
vikram got his chances mainly because of his stage performances in loyola...!
in hindu he was praised greatly for his stage performance
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
IF I have to go by the logic of the space enjoyed by ARR for having a father who died, then I must say : VIKRAM is also a Vaarisu. FYI, His Father was a supporting actor who knew the knitty gritties of the industry. IF we analyze like this, Vikram too won't be in this category IMHO.
That is True .Infact ,Parasanth's father Thiyagarajan is Vikram's uncle ,though they don't have good terms for long time.
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
IF I have to go by the logic of the space enjoyed by ARR for having a father who died, then I must say : VIKRAM is also a Vaarisu. FYI, His Father was a supporting actor who knew the knitty gritties of the industry. IF we analyze like this, Vikram too won't be in this category IMHO.
That is True .Infact ,Parasanth's father Thiyagarajan is Vikram's uncle ,though they don't have good terms for long time.
vikram getin support from thiyagarajan?...thats like india gettin support from pakistan!
if anyone from industry must be given some credit - bala
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 03:25 PM
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Danush has becomne worst, using rajini titles songs etc
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Sanjeevi,
I know about what MADDY is pointing out and the space. Being a man who likes YUVAN, I never fail to accept the fact he enjoyed the support from the industry guys and many IR fans. I won't blame YSR for that.
But HJ is a bit ahead of YUVAN in this.
Selva I agree but if Indra->Rajiv is related to IR->YSR, we can relate NTR->Chanrababu naidu to ARR->HJ.
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
vikram got his chances mainly because of his stage performances in loyola...!
in hindu he was praised greatly for his stage performance
I think MR gave a chance to ARR after having seen his work in LEO COFFE AD !
BTW, Vikram got the chances not just because of those stage performances. IF that is the case, everyone who performs well in the LOYOLA COLLEGE should enter the industry
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
vikram getin support from thiyagarajan
I didn't say that ..But He had a background.Prasanth and Vikram are cousins.
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
thimuru
vikram getin support from thiyagarajan
I didn't say that ..But He had a background.Prasanth and Vikram are cousins.
but what help did he get from that background
nothing
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
thimuru
vikram getin support from thiyagarajan
I didn't say that ..But He had a background.Prasanth and Vikram are cousins.
but what help did he get from that background
nothing
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Originally Posted by
MADDY
.theres nuthing hidden abt my posts.......not only YSR , i also accuse Surya,vijay,vishal,RB.Choudhary's two sons, Am.Rathnam's sons and trust me, this list is never ending one....
I don't think i understand what your point is - What do you think all the guys you listed should do? Quit the industry?
So, no son/daughter should be in the same field as his/her father/mother? If so, they don't deserve anything they achieve subsequently? So, the audience who watch them and encourage them do so because they are famous sons/daughters? Infact, sometimes its a disadvantage rather than an advantage...
let them do watever they want but i dont want them to block good outside talent.......
......TF, dont u think many IR fans supported YSR just bcos he is raaja's son????
thimuru, ARR first worked with very small MDs then TR and then only cud touch IR.......it was a like any normal teenager who joins small companies and then moves to big companies with exp.....thimuru, dont u think many IR fans supported YSR just bcos he is raaja's son????
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
I think MR gave a chance to ARR after having seen his work in LEO COFFE AD !
it may be premier pressure cooker ad in early 90s
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanjeevi
I was talking about "MAKING BIG WITHOUT MUCH SUPPORT" and not on 'TALENT'. My point is : IF ARR came through that just coz he worked in IR troop, I donno why TR was forgotten.
I mean,
IR --> YSR << (less than) TR --> ARR ! Right ?
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:32 PM
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MADDY,
they dint support bavatharini or karthik raja like they do for yuvan...get the point here!
yuvan is the top MD at present!...not only because of ir fans!
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
thimuru
vikram got his chances mainly because of his stage performances in loyola...!
in hindu he was praised greatly for his stage performance
I think MR gave a chance to ARR after having seen his work in LEO COFFE AD !
BTW, Vikram got the chances not just because of those stage performances. IF that is the case, everyone who performs well in the LOYOLA COLLEGE should enter the industry
do u think all side artistes can make a son to be a hero?
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
do u think all side artistes can make a son to be a hero?
Good question.
It does have an advantage. The reason why I brought this was: I really don't see any advantage of a MD who scored one film to help his son to join the troop of IR ! ( ARR ) As Maddy pointed out, even now if I think of ARR as an assistant of small MDs, TR ( Good MD. but
), and then IR, I feel that without that luxury he didnt become someone like VS now. (talent, no gain).
I don't think KarthikRaja is that much talented so that his chance for AB film "Ullasam" can be justified.
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:43 PM
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Selva,
Do You agree
YSR - Had Full advantage
ARR -Had small advantage
Haris _Had no advantage
?
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 03:49 PM
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Adhula paarungaaa (V.K Ramasamy)......
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Selva,
Do You agree
YSR - Had Full advantage
ARR -Had small advantage
Haris _Had no advantage
?
1)
But YUVAN had made himself big now.
2) I don't think so. Obviously, he is a son of a MD. He would have had the music knowledge. But I don't think his father would have pushed him so that he would have joined the elite league and the entry ticket directly. IF that is the case, who will work with TR ! Plus, AFAIK, his father died after composing for his film. I really don't know how that would have influenced.
Having said that, I would say he is a "VAARISU" who made it big without any support.
3) HJ - He is ahead of ARR in this aspect
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Adhula paarungaaa (V.K Ramasamy)......
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Adhula paarungaaa (V.K Ramasamy)......
:P Bala, would love to see ur comments and ur info !
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 03:53 PM
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bala...ippo namma thalaivar payyan nadikka vandha enna reaction kudupeengo ?
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From: seran
on 3rd April 2007 03:53 PM
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what if some body has any advantage? he can survive only if he has talent
I agree that talented new comers(except few) don't have the requiered support, but they have to fight their way for survival
Everybody has to fight for their survival... I mean u, me and everybody. Chumma oppethittu vazhkaya otta mudiyaadhu
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 3rd April 2007 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Adhula paarungaaa (V.K Ramasamy)......
nice fun....ivanga yaarukkum ithu puriyala pola...
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:54 PM
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BTW, many might feel as if I am against VAARISU's totally. It is not like that. I still like SURYA, YUVAN etc a lot !
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 3rd April 2007 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
bala...ippo namma thalaivar payyan nadikka vandha enna reaction kudupeengo ?
eley, thalaivarukku ethuppa payyan???
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Adhula paarungaaa (V.K Ramasamy)......
nice fun....ivanga yaarukkum ithu puriyala pola...
atleast, enakku puriyala
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 03:56 PM
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Selva,
Do you really understand the difference between "Had Full advantage" and "Had small advantage" ?
So you mean ARR and Haris are equal in their family background help them to get chance (Not as MD ,but to get a initial chance..
eththanai disclamair thaan podurathu) ?
Tired of argueing this
Bye
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
:P Bala, would love to see ur comments and ur info !
(with a hand on the sombu)
Adhagappatadhu... indha padhinettu pattiyula enna nadakkudhu nu ungalukku theriyadhadhu edhuvum illa.. aaga... oor periyavangala serndhu oru sumugamana mudivukku vandha thaan indha oorukku nalladhu... ..... .....
Coming back to the topic, i don't have much to add to what all you guys have already said... everybody has a point... but bottom line is IMO, being a vaarisu isn't a crime..
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From: MADDY
on 3rd April 2007 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
joe
Selva,
Do You agree
YSR - Had Full advantage
ARR -Had small advantage
Haris _Had no advantage
?
1)
But YUVAN had made himself big now.
2) I don't think so. Obviously, he is a son of a MD. He would have had the music knowledge. But I don't think his father would have pushed him so that he would have joined the elite league and the entry ticket directly. IF that is the case, who will work with TR ! Plus, AFAIK, his father died after composing for his film. I really don't know how that would have influenced.
Having said that, I would say he is a "VAARISU" who made it big without any support.
3) HJ - He is ahead of ARR in this aspect
1. yes
.......i think joe/others are missing my rave reviews on PV songs......U1 is a champion himself now.....
2. ARR is not at all a vaarisu.......also in his fort - N.India , nobody knows who is he(means his background)......he is just like any other person......
3. yes, HJ is a cut above in this aspect.........he used to play on rented guitars.....truly, a man who came on his own (but bcame popular with ARR trend
)
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 04:05 PM
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 04:06 PM
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sakala.....payyan irundhu nadikka vandhaanu solla vandhen!
oru vela payyan irundhu nadikka vandha ... podhuma
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 04:09 PM
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I have been saying this repeatedly that YSR and ARR won't be in the same boat.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 3rd April 2007 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Adhula paarungaaa (V.K Ramasamy)......
nice fun....ivanga yaarukkum ithu puriyala pola...
atleast, enakku puriyala
selva, athu verua onnumilla, what bala quoted is the famous comedy dialog of VK raamasaamy, if u want to note it, watch 'Aanpaavam' again
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 04:12 PM
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Maddy,
Come out your assumptions.
Yes,I am IR fan ,not YSR's.
I am NT fan ,not Prabhu's.
So I am not missing anything.
My arguement here is against your claim that ARR had no background to help him...Now I realised I wasted my time..Bye
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
(with a hand on the sombu)
Adhagappatadhu... indha padhinettu pattiyula enna nadakkudhu nu ungalukku theriyadhadhu edhuvum illa.. aaga... oor periyavangala serndhu oru sumugamana mudivukku vandha thaan indha oorukku nalladhu... ..... .....
Coming back to the topic, i don't have much to add to what all you guys have already said... everybody has a point... but bottom line is I
MO, being a vaarisu isn't a crime..
Just reminds me some old saying : "Innaroda payyan thaan ivan" endru peyar vaanguvatharkkum "Innaaroda appaa thaan ivar" endru peyar vaanguvatharkku undaana vithiyaasam ROMBA PERUSU enbathu enathu thaazhmaiyaana karuthu
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From: thinkfloyd
on 3rd April 2007 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
bala...ippo namma thalaivar payyan nadikka vandha enna reaction kudupeengo ?
"well.. aaahhh... aaaaaahhh...."
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 04:14 PM
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Sakala,
I know the dialogue but had a doubt as if I misunderstood his post
That's why ! Leave it
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
1. yes
.......i think joe/others are missing my rave reviews on PV
Not only that : Deepavali and chennai - 28 albums too have brought him back from "Thimiru" kind of stuffs
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 04:22 PM
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selva,
When I try to quote your post ,mistakenly I used edit option ,so the content deleted mistakenly ..Pls forgive me ..my apologies
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 04:29 PM
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Joe,
I donno which post got deleted. Anyway, fine ! No probs !
7K+ posts la onnu ponathu onnum varutham illa
(just kidding) :P
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From: Thirumaran
on 3rd April 2007 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
selvakumar
Joe,
I donno which post got deleted. Anyway, fine ! No probs !
7K+ posts la onnu ponathu onnum varutham illa
(just kidding) :P
Saying this Means u are angry that one post got deleted. Is it
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From: thimuru
on 3rd April 2007 04:35 PM
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thirumaran...logical thinking
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 3rd April 2007 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
My arguement here is against your claim that ARR had no background to help him...Now I realised I wasted my time..Bye
Joe, may be i am coming in late but my opinion nis, the fame of ARR's father, Sekhar, titled as 'Master' in Malayalam Cinema Music, was no help to ARR's success. Mani selected him based on his AAd Film's music and NOt by whom's son was ARR....its only later that the world came to know that ARR worked as Keyboardist and arranger for computer music, in few of Raaja's films. the last flm he worked is Punnagai Mannan. You shud know the time gap between punnagai mannan and Roja.
Also remember, ppl didnt watch ARR seriously after Roja and Puthiyamugam, he DID NOT get the publicity popularity of what these "MAnmatha Raasa" & "Vaalameenummum" MDs get nowadays, its one song which helps you to get limelight today.
the real fact is, Its 'Gentleman' whch REALLY kickstarted things favor to ARR
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From: selvakumar
on 3rd April 2007 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Saying this Means u are angry that one post got deleted. Is it
illa ! DISCLAIMER podura maari atha potta thaan escape aaga mudiyum SIFY.COM maari !
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 04:59 PM
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Selva,
Don't worry ..No of posts not reduced since It was not deleted,but only some content got deleted
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 05:04 PM
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sakala,
Really don't want to repeat..But one last time for you.
My arguement is not ARR got sucess or became famous because of his father ..Our friend Maddy accusing many others who came up with their family background and backup (precisly YSR) ..I made a point ,though ARR suceed with his telent ,He is also not a pure non-varisu category ,since His father was also in the same field ,worked with many MDs ,which could have helped ARR to get easy introduction and chances with MDs in his initial stage..
Pothummppa ..ennai vittudunga
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 3rd April 2007 05:11 PM
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My arguement here is against your claim that ARR had no background to help him
(eventho i agree taht he grew up on his own).. appadinnu poottirutha naan reply pannirukka maaten, ogay, we will leave it here...anyway its nice of u
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From: Pras
on 3rd April 2007 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Originally Posted by
joe
My arguement here is against your claim that ARR had no background to help him...Now I realised I wasted my time..Bye
Joe, may be i am coming in late but my opinion nis, the fame of ARR's father, Sekhar, titled as 'Master' in Malayalam Cinema Music, was no help to ARR's success. Mani selected him based on his AAd Film's music and NOt by whom's son was ARR....its only later that the world came to know that ARR worked as Keyboardist and arranger for computer music, in few of Raaja's films. the last flm he worked is Punnagai Mannan. You shud know the time gap between punnagai mannan and Roja.
Also remember, ppl didnt watch ARR seriously after Roja and Puthiyamugam, he DID NOT get the publicity popularity of what these "MAnmatha Raasa" & "Vaalameenummum" MDs get nowadays, its one song which helps you to get limelight today.
the real fact is, Its 'Gentleman' whch REALLY kickstarted things favor to ARR
hadn't he got national award for roja itself ?
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From: lavanya22rit
on 3rd April 2007 05:53 PM
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<<No discussion on Reservation -MOD>>
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From: leosimha
on 3rd April 2007 06:01 PM
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 3rd April 2007 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Pras
hadn't he got national award for roja itself ?
yes he got, but still the chikku bukku \ ottagatha kattikko \ take it easy are the ones which took him to masses
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
Pras
Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Originally Posted by
joe
My arguement here is against your claim that ARR had no background to help him...Now I realised I wasted my time..Bye
Joe, may be i am coming in late but my opinion nis, the fame of ARR's father, Sekhar, titled as 'Master' in Malayalam Cinema Music, was no help to ARR's success. Mani selected him based on his AAd Film's music and NOt by whom's son was ARR....its only later that the world came to know that ARR worked as Keyboardist and arranger for computer music, in few of Raaja's films. the last flm he worked is Punnagai Mannan. You shud know the time gap between punnagai mannan and Roja.
Also remember, ppl didnt watch ARR seriously after Roja and Puthiyamugam, he DID NOT get the publicity popularity of what these "MAnmatha Raasa" & "Vaalameenummum" MDs get nowadays, its one song which helps you to get limelight today.
the real fact is, Its 'Gentleman' whch REALLY kickstarted things favor to ARR
hadn't he got national award for roja itself ?
yes selva is wrong, from roja itself ARR has tasted mass victory. No on song in Gengleman can't beat the popularity of "Chinna Chinna Aasai" when it was released. In fact I became mad by this song and suddendly admired ARR
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 06:11 PM
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From: lavanya22rit
on 3rd April 2007 06:13 PM
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To the MOD who deleted my post:
My post had nothing to do with RESERVATION as such....it was not abt RESERVATION is good or bad.
I guess it should Joe who deleted my post since it was against his opinion and in support of ARR.
This is not a FAIR GAME.
<<Your post had everything to do with reservation and it will induce unnecessary arguements irrelavant to this topic ..How did you know my opinion on reservation? Stop discussing Political ,social issues in this Film section - Joe>>
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 06:14 PM
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From: nemesis786
on 3rd April 2007 06:16 PM
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Superb analysis lavanya22rit
All forms of bias and prejudice should be ripped off any credit
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From: lavanya22rit
on 3rd April 2007 06:22 PM
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 06:25 PM
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From: joe
on 3rd April 2007 06:27 PM
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Guys,
Will you stop discussing reservation in this forum?
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From: Sanjeevi
on 3rd April 2007 06:28 PM
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joe
r u tired by deleting
sorry
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From: lavanya22rit
on 3rd April 2007 06:32 PM
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Sanjeevi,
Im not sure whether u didn understand or just acting as if u cant understand my point.
Im not discussing here about evaluating the talent or about how to measure the talent.....i just mentioned that a less talented person with background is getting a distintive advantage and winning over a supremely talented person wo support or background in the cine industry.
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From: Thirumaran
on 3rd April 2007 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
My arguement is not ARR got sucess or became famous because of his father ..Our friend Maddy accusing many others who came up with their family background and backup (precisly YSR) ..I made a point ,though ARR suceed with his telent ,He is also not a pure non-varisu category ,since His father was also in the same field ,worked with many MDs ,which could have helped ARR to get easy introduction and chances with MDs in his initial stage..
Pothummppa ..ennai vittudunga
Sari Sari Vittutoam..
You are right Joe..
If MADDY hates Yuvan for the reason of him being Varisu, then he should hate even ARR to some extent.
Though arguments like ARR father died before he enters this industry or ARR worked with small MD's(
dont understand who are those), etc... his biodata should have definetely carried his father's name initially. So he too had an advantage.
Not only them.. If we keep on researching on everyone's background, who knows at the root level, anyone could have had an advantage of being recommended by someone / being a direct or distant relative for a person from the same field.
As many noted, just because their father / other relatives / friend from the same industry it is a totally non justice to say that they should not enter the same field.
After all this is not politics. Without talents no one can survive for long in this industry.
As long as anyone is good let us welcome them. Just because if we feel that some one comes as a competition to our favorites let us not find reasons(Vaarisu, arrogant, etc..) to degrade them.
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From: kb
on 4th April 2007 12:11 AM
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saaruhaasan came before or after kamalhasan..
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From: nemesis786
on 4th April 2007 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by
kb
saaruhaasan came before or after kamalhasan..
It is CHAARUHASAN
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From: MADDY
on 4th April 2007 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
You are right Joe..
If MADDY hates Yuvan for the reason of him being Varisu, then he should hate even ARR to some extent.
Though arguments like ARR father died before he enters this industry or ARR worked with small MD's(
dont understand who are those), etc... his biodata should have definetely carried his father's name initially. So he too had an advantage.
Not only them.. If we keep on researching on everyone's background, who knows at the root level, anyone could have had an advantage of being recommended by someone / being a direct or distant relative for a person from the same field.
As many noted, just because their father / other relatives / friend from the same industry it is a totally non justice to say that they should not enter the same field.
After all this is not politics. Without talents no one can survive for long in this industry.
As long as anyone is good let us welcome them. Just because if we feel that some one comes as a competition to our favorites let us not find reasons(Vaarisu, arrogant, etc..) to degrade them.
TM, thanks for ur advice........i still stick onto my point that "VAARISUS, DO BLOCK ENTRY OF GOOD TALENT".......can u and joe, pls leave it as my individual opinion and stop assessing/dissecting me and my thought process for this??? infact i stopped writing abt this bcos i sensed many ppl. dint like it........i gave a big thumbsup for YSR in PV and appreciated him right-left-bottom-top.......thats all brother........
adhu eppadi, competition-a to my favorite-a???
yes, if u want to say Surya is a competition to Kamal then i will accept YSR is a competition for ARR.....
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From: Wibha
on 4th April 2007 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Originally Posted by
joe
My arguement is not ARR got sucess or became famous because of his father ..Our friend Maddy accusing many others who came up with their family background and backup (precisly YSR) ..I made a point ,though ARR suceed with his telent ,He is also not a pure non-varisu category ,since His father was also in the same field ,worked with many MDs ,which could have helped ARR to get easy introduction and chances with MDs in his initial stage..
Pothummppa ..ennai vittudunga
Sari Sari Vittutoam..
You are right Joe..
If MADDY hates Yuvan for the reason of him being Varisu, then he should hate even ARR to some extent.
Though arguments like
ARR father died before he enters this industry or ARR worked with small MD's( dont understand who are those), etc... his biodata should have definetely carried his father's name initially. So he too had an advantage.
Not only them.. If we keep on researching on everyone's background, who knows at the root level, anyone could have had an advantage of being recommended by someone / being a direct or distant relative for a person from the same field.
As many noted, just because their father / other relatives / friend from the same industry it is a totally non justice to say that they should not enter the same field.
After all this is not politics. Without talents no one can survive for long in this industry.
As long as anyone is good let us welcome them. Just because if we feel that some one comes as a competition to our favorites let us not find reasons(Vaarisu, arrogant, etc..) to degrade them.
ARR never used his father's name ANYWHERE...and his father was mostly in malyalam industry............ARR cannot b considered a varisu......................ARR entered thru his hard work and he did it thru ads.....and he can b considered varisu only if he was in MALYALAm industry which he hasn't....ARR is completely into tamil,hindi and telugu film industries.... he just learnt music from his father..........and even in his biodata i don't think ARR wud've used his father's name......
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From: thimuru
on 4th April 2007 08:03 AM
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wibha...do u say yuvan uses his fathers name to get chances?
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From: thimuru
on 4th April 2007 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
kb
saaruhaasan came before or after kamalhasan..
kamal came to cinema at the age of seven!
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From: ajithfederer
on 4th April 2007 08:08 AM
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5
Originally Posted by
thimuru
Originally Posted by
kb
saaruhaasan came before or after kamalhasan..
kamal came to cinema at the age of seven!
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From: thimuru
on 4th April 2007 08:17 AM
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yeah....actually he got national award at the age of seVen
Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
5
Originally Posted by
thimuru
Originally Posted by
kb
saaruhaasan came before or after kamalhasan..
kamal came to cinema at the age of seven!
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From: NOV
on 4th April 2007 08:21 AM
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Joe and Thiru, you are missing the point that maddy is putting. Sakala has put it very aptly.
Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
the fame of ARR's father, Sekhar, titled as 'Master' in Malayalam Cinema Music, was no help to ARR's success. Mani selected him based on his AAd Film's music and NOt by whom's son was ARR....its only later that the world came to know that ARR worked as Keyboardist and arranger for computer music, in few of Raaja's films. the last flm he worked is Punnagai Mannan. You shud know the time gap between punnagai mannan and Roja.
If you use the same sieve as you use for ARR, then nobody can escape - right from MSV, IR to almost the entire film idustry barring Malaysia Vasudevan
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From: ajithfederer
on 4th April 2007 08:21 AM
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k.....
Originally Posted by
thimuru
yeah....actually he got national award at the age of seVen
Originally Posted by
ajithfederer
5
Originally Posted by
thimuru
Originally Posted by
kb
saaruhaasan came before or after kamalhasan..
kamal came to cinema at the age of seven!
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From: Jabroni
on 4th April 2007 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
Joe and Thiru, you are missing the point that maddy is putting. Sakala has put it very aptly.
Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
the fame of ARR's father, Sekhar, titled as 'Master' in Malayalam Cinema Music, was no help to ARR's success. Mani selected him based on his AAd Film's music and NOt by whom's son was ARR....its only later that the world came to know that ARR worked as Keyboardist and arranger for computer music, in few of Raaja's films. the last flm he worked is Punnagai Mannan. You shud know the time gap between punnagai mannan and Roja.
If you use the same sieve as you use for ARR, then nobody can escape - right from MSV, IR to almost the entire film idustry barring Malaysia Vasudevan
ARR jalra, why are you pulling IR? It is blasphemous to pull the GOD IR when you have a dirty discussion on ARR
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From: thimuru
on 4th April 2007 08:41 AM
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I dont know why people dont get what joe is try to say!
he says ...since arr has his father in musical field it would have helped arr for sure...atleast to some extent!
NOV comes up with IR ...who is a guy from a poor family from a village !
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From: Jabroni
on 4th April 2007 08:43 AM
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sivaji had cine background
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From: NOV
on 4th April 2007 08:46 AM
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Jabroni, watch your words!
Thimuru, just because you do not know, it does not mean things don't exist. The forum is not only meant to share your thoughts but also to learn.
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From: thimuru
on 4th April 2007 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
Jabroni, watch your words!
Thimuru, just because you do not know, it does not mean things don't exist.
The forum is not only meant to share your thoughts but also to learn.
and u r here to teach..right?
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 08:53 AM
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Nov,
Pls understand my view..
I never claim that ARR could have achived only because he is a son of a musician ..But My point is he had slightly better advantage compare to people like haris .
I don't know ARR got chance as a keyboard player without using his fathers name ..But I assume that could have helped atleast a bit to get appointment with MD ,when they know he is a son of somebody worked with them.
For this I didn't blame ARR ..I just countered Maddy making fun on others used their influence (family) to start their carrier ..I said even ARR is not 100% pure .That is all.
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From: NOV
on 4th April 2007 09:03 AM
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I understand exactly what you are saying Joe.
Even if ARR became a keyboard player for IR using his fathers name, THAT didn't result in him becoming an MD.
ARR became an MD
in spite of IR, not
because of IR.
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From: thinkfloyd
on 4th April 2007 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by
thimuru
and u r here to teach..right?
Thimiru, vaathiyar soltaaru ba... no more kostins!
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
Even if ARR became a keyboard player for IR using his fathers name, THAT didn't result in him becoming an MD.
ARR became an MD
in spite of IR, not
because of IR.
I agree 100% .
But people hate when actor's son become actor ,doctor's son become a doctor ,I don't understand why don't they have problem when musician's son become musician ,that too exception given to only ARR (The scale is big or small doesn't matter,IMO) ,since he is their favourite.
Just wanted to pint out to Maddy
அடுத்தவனைப் பார்த்து சுட்டுவிரல் நீட்டினால் ,உன்னைப்பார்த்து மூன்று விரல் இருக்கும் .மறக்கக் கூடாது.
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by
Jabroni
sivaji had cine background
Yeah ! Rajini ,ARR,Shankar and AVM all from cine industry
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From: Thirumaran
on 4th April 2007 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
1. TM, thanks for ur advice........i still stick onto my point that "
VAARISUS, DO BLOCK ENTRY OF GOOD TALENT".......can u and joe, pls leave it as my individual opinion and stop assessing/dissecting me and my thought process for this??? infact i stopped writing abt this bcos i sensed many ppl. dint like it........i gave a big thumbsup for YSR in PV and appreciated him right-left-bottom-top.......thats all brother........
2. adhu eppadi, competition-a to my favorite-a???
yes, if u want to say Surya is a competition to Kamal then i will accept YSR is a competition for ARR.....
1. If that Varisu itself has enormous talent why should he should block himself without not entering the particular field his father or relative belong
And i am not advising. Like yours i said my opinion.
Your name i used because i saw u supporting Surya several. At least i did not see u bashing him left and for being a VAARISU. But the same cannot be said on some you hate. And no one is saying your opinions are bad or my opinion is good. There are people to support urs and there are some to support mine.
Sorry if something hurts u.
Good that u appreciated Yuvan for PV
2. That was general. There are people always feel like that. And regarding Surya being competition to Kamal, first of all i object your double standard on comparing a VAARISU with a person grown up talent on his own
And do remember this. For comparing with Kamal we are not going to find anyone in years to come, at least not during his period. That is my humble opinion.
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 09:29 AM
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Maddy hates Varisus ,But whoever he likes are not considered as Varisus
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From: Jabroni
on 4th April 2007 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Originally Posted by
Jabroni
sivaji had cine background
Yeah ! Rajini ,ARR,Shankar and AVM all from cine industry
mokkai uncle vaazhga
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From: selvakumar
on 4th April 2007 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Maddy hates Varisus ,But whoever he likes are not considered as Varisus
That is not the truth. IF we have to speak about the yardstick of how to determine the people to bracket them in this space, then I don't find anything wrong in him ( Maddy ) to label guys like Surya, Uvan etc in this.
Manytimes, he had spoken in detail on this that he hates people with limited talent (who would not have been even selected for "Make up Test" , "Band" etc ) entering the industry.
After many attempts and "special coaching" from their own blood, they will claim the top or atleast make an impact. In the whole process, the gap b/w "Talented ones entering the industry" and "Ones without talent entering the industry" becomes high. That will be clearly visible IF we consider the entire history of tamil film industry spanning across every 10 years. The primary problem is : "With limited talent, one can be projected as successful. AFter all, they know the GAMES to play against all odds."
It is not because we find them as competition to ours after all at the end of the day it is going to be the o/p which determines the others. But if the o/p comes through all hidden MAFIA, then it is not a fair game and this is what many VAARISU's are doing.
Being fed up in ur home for 20 years, you can learn what ur father was doing and if u have limited talent, u can still be successful. That doesn't map with someone who fights with talent. Ultimately u are blocking the growth of a talent.
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From: Sanjeevi
on 4th April 2007 11:26 AM
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Sari vidungappa
leave tamil MDs alone, they have to compose songs, RR, etc.
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 11:38 AM
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Selva,
From Thirumaran's point of view ,I assume Maddy never attacked surya being vaarisu .That justifies my statement ..If you don't agree ,I may come to the conclusion ,Maddy is not consisting or he decide who is talented and who is not.
Btw,even if somebody got a easy entry because of talent ,I don't think nobody will survive for long time if he proved to be talented .Promotion will help only to certain extend ,Talent need to sustain .
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From: selvakumar
on 4th April 2007 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Selva,
From Thirumaran's point of view ,I assume Maddy never attacked surya being vaarisu .That justifies my statement ..If you don't agree ,I may come to the conclusion ,Maddy is not consisting or he decide who is talented and who is not. .
For e.g., I like YUVAN. I have never attacked him on this basis. But I never failed to mention this and rate HJ a bit ahead of him in this. Even I rated him above ARR. Similarly, Maddy might not have attacked Surya.
But IF I remember his posts, he made it a point that he attacks everyone who come through the "Back Door". Be it Surya or Vishal. Even he had agreed that HJ is ahead in ARR in this category. What else do u people need?
Sakala too had clarified it. Atleast, we shall discuss on this putting aside ARR, HJ and YUVAN. !
Originally Posted by
joe
Btw,even if somebody got a easy entry because of talent ,I don't think nobody will survive for long time if he proved to be talented .Promotion will help only to certain extend ,Talent need to sustain
To be honest : There are many without talent getting many chances just coz they are "Son / Daughter / Cousins etc " of so and so. For a layman, they won't be able to get even a chance like that. This is what I / We are referring to and not bashing them blindly.
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 01:20 PM
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Selva,
I feel like we both are travelling in different tracks and never meet and I feel you assume things rather than understand my posts..So better to stop this arguement between us in this topic.
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From: selvakumar
on 4th April 2007 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Selva,
I feel like we both are travelling in different tracks and never meet and I feel you assume things rather than understand my posts..So better to stop this arguement between us in this topic.
Agreed Joe. Let me stop on this !
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From: MADDY
on 4th April 2007 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Just wanted to pint out to Maddy
அடுத்தவனைப் பார்த்து சுட்டுவிரல் நீட்டினால் ,உன்னைப்பார்த்து மூன்று விரல் இருக்கும் .மறக்கக் கூடாது.
neenga kooda dhaan.......Shivaji Ganesan is a over-actor, aana ella chinna thalaimura nadigargalayum kindal,gaeli seigareergal......idhu enna nyayiam???
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Shivaji Ganesan is a over-actor
Maddy,Nice to know your opinion on NT
aana ella chinna thalaimura nadigargalayum kindal,gaeli seigareergal......idhu enna nyayiam???
Niyayamillai,if I don't know 3 fingers pointing to me .I am aware of it.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 4th April 2007 05:41 PM
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happa, ippovaachum inthaq thread oru mudivukku vanthuthe...
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From: NOV
on 4th April 2007 06:28 PM
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et tu sudhir!
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From: thimuru
on 4th April 2007 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
et tu sudhir!
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From: MADDY
on 4th April 2007 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
et tu sudhir!
Sorry NOV
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
happa, ippovaachum inthaq thread oru mudivukku vanthuthe...
appadiyaa
what is the conclusion
Shivaji Ganesan is a over-actor
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
REMIX was way ahead of the original
Kootra panchayat-a!
Panchayathada Ithu
Panjayathe Kidayathu
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From: selvakumar
on 4th April 2007 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
That shows the enormous talent of the vaarisu
since no one was granted permission to remix them except the two sons
Generous IR ! :P
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From: thinkfloyd
on 4th April 2007 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Neenga enna Naataamai Vaarisa
sobaaa... ippove kanna kattudhe...
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From: Thirumaran
on 4th April 2007 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
great
Originally Posted by
thinkfloyd
Originally Posted by
selvakumar
REMIX was way ahead of the original
Kootra panchayat-a!
yEngada aalamaram; somba yedra (not chimp)
Make use of Toilet Paper
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From: Thirumaran
on 4th April 2007 09:23 PM
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OK. Guys..
Thanks for the participation and fun..
Let us lock this.
If anything more to say on this topic PM us..
What say Joe
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From: joe
on 4th April 2007 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
OK. Guys..
Thanks for the participation and fun..
Let us lock this.
If anything more to say on this topic PM us..
What say Joe
Neenga thaan Dindugal pakkathula irukkeenga ..Podunga