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Favorite all time Mass hero with class and talent
| Topic started by Shakthiprabha. on Sat Nov 12 3:26:09 2005. |
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| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 12 3:29:54 2005. |
| From: Alien on Sat Nov 12 3:32:06 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 12 3:33:28 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Sat Nov 12 3:36:37 2005. |
| From: Pras on Sat Nov 12 5:55:30 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 12 6:00:18 2005. |
| Pras wrote: |
| A small request :
please add Vikram in the choice |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 12 7:17:11 2005. |
| Pras wrote: |
| A small request :
please add Vikram in the choice |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Nov 12 14:36:28 2005. |
| From: rachel on Sat Nov 12 16:10:11 2005. |
| From: Nerd on Sat Nov 12 16:15:16 2005. |
| vasanth_luv wrote: |
| This must be locked !
Comparing MGR with rajni ! |
| From: interz on Sat Nov 12 17:47:07 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sun Nov 13 0:35:21 2005. |
| interz wrote: |
| have no idea about mgr , only know him by the old songs, you should have mentioned actors from present. |
| From: ranjit_g on Wed Nov 16 13:07:17 2005. |
| nilavupriyan wrote: | ||
i know what u r expecting |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Wed Nov 16 13:19:07 2005. |
| From: Girish11 on Wed Nov 16 13:26:49 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| nilavupriyan......votes speak |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Wed Nov 16 13:34:13 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Wed Nov 16 14:10:12 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| nilavupriyan......votes speak |
......
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Wed Nov 16 14:12:50 2005. |
| nilavupriyan wrote: | ||
u r so childish...m.g.r is the winner of crores of votes....he was cm for more than 10 years...he died as a chief minister. u r concluding with some 20 votes of hub ......
did u remember the vote capacity of rajni....40/40?..thats his real vote capacity.. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Wed Nov 16 14:17:24 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: | ||||
nilavu, CHECK OUT MY posting bef talking. I am talkin about their talent in film industry alone. NOW WHOZ CHILDISH!?. hah |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Wed Nov 16 14:21:29 2005. |
our ppl are mad. They dont know to compare NORMAL talent with GOOD talent | From: njv on Wed Nov 16 14:48:42 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||||
dont worry no one will mention abt ur favourite in the alltime fav mass hero thread |
| From: S.Balaji on Wed Nov 16 15:13:13 2005. |
| From: Nerd on Wed Nov 16 15:14:44 2005. |
. RK is 100 times better than MGR when it comes to acting 
| From: Girish11 on Wed Nov 16 16:28:41 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| Sure if you take it that way
But as an actor, he fails miserably . RK is 100 times better than MGR when it comes to acting |
| From: Nerd on Wed Nov 16 20:22:45 2005. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Nov 16 20:35:12 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
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if you want to compare, u cant do it with apples n oranges.. if u r comparing two stars of the same generation that makes sense.. if u r comparing RK and KH u gotto look into the various factors.. I m not in for comparison b/w RK and MGR which IMO is nothing but waste of time.. |
| From: joe on Wed Nov 16 22:46:52 2005. |
| From: joe on Wed Nov 16 22:55:39 2005. |
| From: Alien on Wed Nov 16 23:28:04 2005. |
| njv wrote: | ||||||
We dont want to. look at the foot steps MGR -> Rajini - Vijay - simbu? It shame to even associate MGR here. Also this wont doesnt mean anything because most of MGR fans are in their 50s and 60s and probably never seen computer. did u guys all forgot that MGR won vote sleeping from Brooklyn hospital in NY? Did you guys forgot that he took bullet on his throat and STILL ruled the movie industry? Did you guys forgot that he is a great director and directed great movies like Nadodi Mannan, Ulagam Suttrum Vaaliban - MGR is multi-talented like KH, except politics. Both are bold, beautiful and multi-talented. Good enough for us to keep our respect! |
| From: Alien on Wed Nov 16 23:32:45 2005. |
| S.Balaji wrote: |
| Beyond doubt ...Makkal thilagam MGR..... was the greatest mass hero.....
No second thoughts on this... I dont know how many guys remember the days when MGR was in Brooklyn hospital ..US.....and the whole TN was praying for his life...... This changed the face of some of Kazagam guys who never believed in God..... Another scenario...when MGR came back from USA.... the reception hosted to him..... there was a SEA.... of visitors...thronging from all parts of TN...to catch a glimpse of their MASS HERO..... Finally...when the legend left us...... around 20 million attended.....his funeral...... From sick bed in US...MGR won the Assembly elections....totally sweeping TN.....which left even a seasoned politician like Kalaignar wondering...what magic that this man possess... Its no easy to defeat an organised party like DMK....a cadre based party....well disciplined .... MGR successfully broke the DMK stronghold in 1977 elections.... all due to mass appeal only..... IMO....this is what defines ...WHAT A MASS HERO IS ALL ABOUT...... |
| From: Nerd on Thu Nov 17 0:08:41 2005. |
Non-talented??
| From: nilavupriyan on Thu Nov 17 1:45:23 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||||
dont worry no one will mention abt ur favourite in the alltime fav mass hero thread |
| From: Miss Chennai on Thu Nov 17 4:25:51 2005. |
| From: romio on Thu Nov 17 4:35:46 2005. |
| From: Girish11 on Thu Nov 17 17:13:56 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| //RK is better than MGR but again if you compare his
acting with other better actors, he will be miles behind// Miles behind?? Behind who?? I agree KH is a better actor than RK now.. who else??.. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
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also am not doing any politics.. if you want to compare, u cant do it with apples n oranges.. if u r comparing two stars of the same generation that makes sense.. if u r comparing RK and KH u gotto look into the various factors.. I m not in for comparison b/w RK and MGR which IMO is nothing but waste of time.. |
| From: Nerd on Thu Nov 17 18:30:21 2005. |
Dont instigate me to hate surya please.. I consider him very good along with maddy. But no way even close to RK. Common see his versatality..
| From: kandiban on Thu Nov 17 18:42:17 2005. |
| From: Justice on Thu Nov 17 22:40:54 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Nov 17 23:45:16 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| MGR IS THE THIRD BEST ACTOR AFTER SIVAJI AND KAMAL |
HOW DO U MANAGE?
)| From: Justice on Thu Nov 17 23:48:48 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 0:43:36 2005. |
| From: Justice on Fri Nov 18 0:45:29 2005. |
taste
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| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| Being a VJ fan is not non-sense. IT MEANS we(I) have TASTE.
Now I am clueless as to HOW, u being born in japan matters! Anyway congrats u create NEW HISTORY, new definitions, new JUSTICE |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 0:59:52 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Fri Nov 18 3:37:36 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| surya??? how many movies has he acted?? Dont instigate me to hate surya please.. I consider him very good along with maddy. But no way even close to RK. Common see his versatality..
powerful - baatshah etcc.., comedy - almost all serious - MM, 6 to 60 villain - again many I can go on and on and on.. Light years behind?? please.. dont show your IGNORANCE
I said I dont like this comparison at all.. MGR and RK.. two different generations!! |
| From: Raghu on Fri Nov 18 6:35:32 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| MGR IS THE THIRD BEST ACTOR AFTER SIVAJI AND KAMAL |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 7:19:31 2005. |
| Raghu wrote: | ||
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| From: Justice on Fri Nov 18 9:32:59 2005. |
what?
| From: Justice on Fri Nov 18 9:34:11 2005. |
| From: Raghu on Fri Nov 18 10:19:18 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| that is my opinion
he has ONE NATIONAL AWARD, which RK or Sivaji never achieved
you have no right to laugh at it. |
| From: arvind on Fri Nov 18 10:32:08 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 10:36:35 2005. |
| arvind wrote: |
| SP,
You are a joker. How can you compare MGR with Rajini? MGR was a MLA for ten years. He gained invaluable experience in politicking. Only then he ruled as CM until death. Rajini is a failure out of his make-up studio. If MGR comes back alive tomorrow, Rajini will lose all his fans tonight! |
| From: Raghu on Fri Nov 18 11:06:59 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 11:41:25 2005. |
| From: Renault on Fri Nov 18 11:52:01 2005. |
| From: Raghu on Fri Nov 18 11:59:48 2005. |
| From: Raghu on Fri Nov 18 12:00:38 2005. |
| Renault wrote: |
| Raghu,
FYI, MGR's make-up man was Peethambaram, the father of Director P.Vasu. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 12:04:36 2005. |
| From: Justice on Fri Nov 18 13:20:57 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 13:33:58 2005. |
| From: Justice on Fri Nov 18 13:35:24 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 18 13:54:18 2005. |
oh justice!
| From: Nerd on Fri Nov 18 15:27:51 2005. |
| Quote: |
| kasi.....see the topic.."who is best mass hero"...not who is the best actor or versatile actor... |
| From: Alien on Fri Nov 18 18:44:26 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
|
But he had his own mesmerism for which many fell victim. Thats UNDENIABLE. HE was not good in acting, true. But very good in capturing mass mind. And that charisma CANNOT BE COMPARED WITH ramarajan. Poor mgr and his fans. Lets spare them. ELSE THEY WONT SPARE US. May be my fear took me over here |
Or do u know what, we'll have to bring the make-up tactics(LIPSTICK, WIG), whoosh noices of Rajni and beat u guys till u really collapse
See my avatar ! That says all ! (BTW This is not 4 u SP akka)| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 1:31:47 2005. |
| vasanth_luv wrote: | ||
U must be afraid Or do u know what, we'll have to bring the make-up tactics(LIPSTICK, WIG), whoosh noices of Rajni and beat u guys till u really collapse
rajni fans talking abt unadulterated,pure charisma See my avatar ! That says all ! (BTW This is not 4 u SP akka)
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| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 1:34:01 2005. |
| nilavupriyan wrote: | ||||||
but he will remembered for his talents for decades....but people will be making fun of rajni after years....as some people bash m.g.r now :lol: |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 19 1:34:08 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: |
|
whats so special in ur avatar? style-naa namma thalaivar style than RAJINI IS THE GREATEST MASS HERO OF ALL TIME |
| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 1:35:29 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| MGR IS THE THIRD BEST ACTOR AFTER SIVAJI AND KAMAL |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 19 1:36:42 2005. |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 19 1:40:25 2005. |
what?
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| oh justice!
MGR was chellam for too many. I cant afford being JEALOUS
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| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 1:48:46 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| I decided not to compare the legend with these ollic kuchis.
u no where vijay stands, right
right under simbhu but after ramarajan |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 19 1:52:10 2005. |
I see no improvments in you during this week
| ranjit_g wrote: |
|
ajith is a legend and mgr,sivaji,rajini and kamal r olli kuchis. now what do i say? no wonder u feel vijay is at the bottom coz u feel ajith is better than these olli kuchis mgr,rajini,kamal and sivaji. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Sat Nov 19 2:14:31 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||
WHERE IS THALA?I THOUGHT HE WAS THE GREATEST ACTOR+MASS HERO + ETC ETC ETC OF ALL TIME |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 19 2:16:07 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Sat Nov 19 2:22:17 2005. |
justice. good come back!
| From: rachel on Sat Nov 19 2:54:07 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| I didn't want to deface the young 25 years old good looking Mr Handsome of India to be compared to those [b]old human beings[/b] |
exactly juice | From: Justice on Sat Nov 19 2:58:38 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| justice. good come back!
btw, ur idol is not 25 year old youngy thing anymore. HEZ THIRTY PLUS...SO IS VIJAY |
| From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 19 6:16:30 2005. |
| nilavupriyan wrote: |
| ....but people will be making fun of rajni after years....as some people bash m.g.r now :lol: |
| From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 19 6:29:09 2005. |
| From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 19 12:16:31 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 19 12:45:19 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: | ||
arvind, u are a clown. How can u compare RAJINI with mgr? I clearly mentioned we are talkin about acting ability ALONE. mgr stands nowhere near rajni's acting ability |
| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 12:53:57 2005. |
| justice wrote: | ||
| if you can read then you must have incurred the concept
did I mention Kamal being top or bottom? what are you talking about sir? I see no improvments in you during this week
vijay is nowhere in the list
look at vijay on my avatar
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| From: Shakthiprabha. on Sat Nov 19 13:42:18 2005. |
| nilavupriyan wrote: | ||||
if u r considering the acting ability...change the topic to "who is a class hero"...not a mass hero....... |
. Anyway now that all the poll is over, NO USE CHANGING IT. LEt it be.
| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 14:39:49 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: | ||||||
aye aye sir. u are right. I did not think to give good title . Anyway now that all the poll is over, NO USE CHANGING IT. LEt it be.
Actually What I meant was CLASS(supported by mass too) I think... TOO LATE. |
| From: gorgeous gaayini on Sat Nov 19 14:45:54 2005. |
| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 14:48:09 2005. |
| gorgeous gaayini wrote: |
| Where's vijay????
anyway my vote goes for rajini, definately, my choice might of been different if i was 10 years older, since i'v only watched like 3 MGR movies and most rajini movies, i vote 4 rajini. |
| From: gorgeous gaayini on Sat Nov 19 14:52:25 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||
dotn worry gayini, ur choice is right.rajini is the best. |
| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 15:01:03 2005. |
| gorgeous gaayini wrote: | ||||
lol yea, my vote represents the next generation of teens!
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| From: gorgeous gaayini on Sat Nov 19 15:29:30 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||||||
ANDRUM INDRUM ENDRUM THALAIVAR THAAN NO:1 |
| From: ranjit_g on Sat Nov 19 15:39:42 2005. |
| gorgeous gaayini wrote: | ||||||||
Super dialogue anna!
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| From: gorgeous gaayini on Sat Nov 19 15:43:26 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||||||||||
thx thankachi |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 19 22:56:42 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||||||||
SP, no use arguing with ppl like nilavu and justice.they never try 2 understand things.u need not worry abt wht these ppl say.IMO,a very good thread |
.......why are u wasting ur energy....? .....u dont understand me or the topic or anything...just blah blah blah... | From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 19 22:58:43 2005. |
| From: Justice on Sun Nov 20 0:12:59 2005. |
| nilavupriyan wrote: |
|
sp herself have accepted that my point is correct.... .......why are u wasting ur energy....? .....u dont understand me or the topic or anything...just blah blah blah... |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Mon Nov 21 2:26:08 2005. |
| From: joe on Mon Nov 21 2:46:59 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Mon Nov 21 2:52:27 2005. |
| From: joe on Mon Nov 21 2:57:40 2005. |
| From: joe on Mon Nov 21 3:00:25 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Mon Nov 21 3:01:29 2005. |
| From: joe on Mon Nov 21 3:04:59 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Mon Nov 21 3:09:08 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Mon Nov 21 4:35:09 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| joe,
u were NOT rude. Guess i overacted(over-reacted) Anyway ur suggestion made sense. Thanks and cheers. |
| From: Sandeep on Mon Nov 21 5:05:04 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Mon Nov 21 5:19:53 2005. |
| nilavupriyan wrote: | ||
if u add class and talent u have to add shivaji and kamal.....why dont u edit ur poll.....can it be edited? |
( (if it does not make sense, FORGIVE MEEEEE!)
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| From: Shakthiprabha. on Mon Nov 21 5:24:30 2005. |
)
| From: Girish11 on Wed Nov 23 21:22:09 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| Hey can my thread be nominated for MAXIMUM EDITED THREAD (I MEAN THE FOUNDATION OR TITLE ITSELF IS EDITED! )
And to think, it all started CLEARLY AND SIMPLY STATING rajnikant vs mgr!!! hahaha |
IMO none of the 2 options fit the new
| From: Girish11 on Wed Nov 23 21:30:21 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| surya??? how many movies has he acted?? Dont instigate me to hate surya please.. I consider him very good along with maddy. But no way even close to RK. Common see his versatality..
powerful - baatshah etcc.., comedy - almost all serious - MM, 6 to 60 villain - again many I can go on and on and on.. Light years behind?? please.. dont show your IGNORANCE
I said I dont like this comparison at all.. MGR and RK.. two different generations!! |
| From: Poornima on Thu Nov 24 2:49:16 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Nov 24 3:39:31 2005. |
| From: Alien on Thu Nov 24 6:35:55 2005. |
| Girish11 wrote: | ||
Hey, I want to take my vote back after seeing the topic change. This is not fair IMO none of the 2 options fit the new
topic now. |
.......
| Sandeep wrote: |
| KAMAL |
Nice choice ! Always my choice.....These non-talented wonders can't be considered as even a speck of dust infront of him !
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Nov 24 7:00:05 2005. |
| vasanth_luv wrote: |
|
Anyway I never complained to the mods abt this thread , but if somebody does, mods are to lock it ....There is a concrete reason... |
Ennavo pannunga.
| From: Cinefan on Thu Nov 24 7:10:47 2005. |
| From: Alien on Thu Nov 24 7:16:05 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
|
Ennavo pannunga.
Nobody understood why I compared only those 2 mass favs. |
......
, no ambiguities....but u had to change it coz no 'xyz' vs 'abc' thread is allowed, and u started to cause ambiguities with the title....)
cooll cool | From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Nov 24 9:53:47 2005. |
I know u were joking| From: Sanguine Sridhar on Thu Nov 24 10:09:56 2005. |
| From: Raghu on Thu Nov 24 10:45:46 2005. |
, he is 45+.
| From: Sanguine Sridhar on Thu Nov 24 10:49:14 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Nov 24 10:56:08 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Thu Nov 24 10:57:58 2005. |
| Shakthiprabha wrote: |
| Vikram is not 45. he is only 40 or 39!! |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Nov 24 11:06:11 2005. |
| From: Raghu on Thu Nov 24 12:11:50 2005. |
| From: Girish11 on Thu Nov 24 12:37:12 2005. |
| Poornima wrote: |
| surya better than rajnikant? who's next...? simbu or jayam ravi?
if twisting neck and a contacts-propped stare (nanda) is considered acting, maybe i'm the unitiated here. kakka kakka was an out-and-out author-backed role which fit into surya's underplayed, soft-spoken personality. a decent performance, at the most. perazhagan????? that's one of those fancy, get-up driven performance which even a simbu can pull off. period. and just a touchstone, see the original - kunjikoonan - which starred dileep. gajini was a joke... shifty stares and a constipated look just lent him the airs of a mental retard... not of a man suffering from an acquired medical condition... but you can spare him the brickbats 'coz all tamil heroes as a tradition believe that acting is all about get-ups and different body language. in his career so far, the only outstanding performance from surya has been in pithamagan... brilliant and absolutely at ease. he's an actor of great potential but even comparing him with what rajni did in a mullum malarum or aarilirunthu arupathu varai or bhuvana oru kelvikkuri (think he was about surya's age when doing these films) is sacrilege. if the argument is based on career spans, well, there's absolutely no guarantee that surya would have a repertoire of great performances at the end of HIS 30 years (i don't think he'll be around that long). we can just talk about possibilities. in fact, the deterioration has already started with the likes of aaru lined up. if rajni hasn't fulfilled his promise as an actor, half the blame is on the audience as well. sorry for the digression, but about the topic, i don't think MGR even had an iota of class. he was a non-actor who shrewdly manipulated a deprived generation of people to ensure his own political gains. his on and off screen charisma was propped by a propaganda of conceit and unabashed sycophancy. as a politician, he was bad enough. as an actor, don't even ask. |
| From: Poornima on Fri Nov 25 4:03:09 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 25 4:23:36 2005. |
| Poornima wrote: |
| in my opinion, if there's nothing special in mullum malarum, none of these performances stated above would classify as acting, in the first place. the script was not earth-shatteringly brilliant or anything... it was a film based on the annan-thankachi bonding which has a successful history in tamil cinema. the difference is that the role could have been easily translated into an outburst of overdone facial expressions and melodrama. to rajni's credit, he didn't let that happen. i'm yet to see one performance on tamil screen which has been underplayed to such effect. he may not have wailed and made faces, but there's no denying the depth of his performance. summing up, rajni can (if he decides to shun the regular heroism and stupid stunts and if the people are ready to accept him as an Everyman) be absolutely subtle and natural. vikram, with all due respect, doesn't even qualify as competition. for one, they belong to two ages with two markedly different set of films. further, vikram is not an original. he's a rather confused blend of rajni and kamal.
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| From: rachel on Fri Nov 25 4:28:01 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri Nov 25 5:01:42 2005. |
| From: Girish11 on Fri Nov 25 7:18:59 2005. |
| Poornima wrote: |
| for starters, i am amused that surya has been forgotten in this retort and the argument has shifted to rajni vs vikram.
in my opinion vikram, again, is an actor with immense potential. unlike surya, he has the ability to lend credibility to seemingly ordinary characters (dhool, a good instance). if there's any actor of the current lot who has bridged class and commerce, it has to be vikram. however, he has the tendency to go overboard. he hammed like nobody's biz in anniyan (remo was the giddy limit in overdoing a role)... he was terrible in gemini (where he started acting like a star). sethu, apart from the commendable physical sacrifices for the role, is not an extraordinary performance (or film, for that matter). on the plus side, he has a pithamagan, kasi and maybe saamy (again, doing good in a pucca potboiler). in my opinion, if there's nothing special in mullum malarum, none of these performances stated above would classify as acting, in the first place. the script was not earth-shatteringly brilliant or anything... it was a film based on the annan-thankachi bonding which has a successful history in tamil cinema. the difference is that the role could have been easily translated into an outburst of overdone facial expressions and melodrama. to rajni's credit, he didn't let that happen. i'm yet to see one performance on tamil screen which has been underplayed to such effect. he may not have wailed and made faces, but there's no denying the depth of his performance. summing up, rajni can (if he decides to shun the regular heroism and stupid stunts and if the people are ready to accept him as an Everyman) be absolutely subtle and natural. vikram, with all due respect, doesn't even qualify as competition. for one, they belong to two ages with two markedly different set of films. further, vikram is not an original. he's a rather confused blend of rajni and kamal. just for the argument, in my opinion, the first solid performance from kamal haasan came in rajapaarvai, his 100th film (if i'm wrong, please inform me). am just wondering, considering that vikram and surya have so many brilliant performances to their credit, much before touching their 100-film mark, would they also be considered better than kamal? |
| From: Raghu on Fri Nov 25 7:32:57 2005. |
| Poornima wrote: |
| for starters, i am amused that surya has been forgotten in this retort and the argument has shifted to rajni vs vikram.
in my opinion vikram, again, is an actor with immense potential. unlike surya, he has the ability to lend credibility to seemingly ordinary characters (dhool, a good instance). if there's any actor of the current lot who has bridged class and commerce, it has to be vikram. however, he has the tendency to go overboard. he hammed like nobody's biz in anniyan (remo was the giddy limit in overdoing a role)... he was terrible in gemini (where he started acting like a star). sethu, apart from the commendable physical sacrifices for the role, is not an extraordinary performance (or film, for that matter). on the plus side, he has a pithamagan, kasi and maybe saamy (again, doing good in a pucca potboiler). in my opinion, if there's nothing special in mullum malarum, none of these performances stated above would classify as acting, in the first place. the script was not earth-shatteringly brilliant or anything... it was a film based on the annan-thankachi bonding which has a successful history in tamil cinema. the difference is that the role could have been easily translated into an outburst of overdone facial expressions and melodrama. to rajni's credit, he didn't let that happen. i'm yet to see one performance on tamil screen which has been underplayed to such effect. he may not have wailed and made faces, but there's no denying the depth of his performance. summing up, rajni can (if he decides to shun the regular heroism and stupid stunts and if the people are ready to accept him as an Everyman) be absolutely subtle and natural. vikram, with all due respect, doesn't even qualify as competition. for one, they belong to two ages with two markedly different set of films. further, vikram is not an original. he's a rather confused blend of rajni and kamal. just for the argument, in my opinion, the first solid performance from kamal haasan came in rajapaarvai, his 100th film (if i'm wrong, please inform me). am just wondering, considering that vikram and surya have so many brilliant performances to their credit, much before touching their 100-film mark, would they also be considered better than kamal? |
Rajni again beats kamal to the core as sadist husband of Sujatha, simple sarcastic performance,in which he always excells| From: j.chenkalvarayan on Fri Nov 25 8:06:11 2005. |
| From: Alien on Fri Nov 25 9:24:20 2005. |
he evolved as the most versatile, talented actor in India & the greatest actor only next to Shivaji !
| From: Poornima on Fri Nov 25 10:23:00 2005. |
| From: Rajkumar_mj on Fri Nov 25 10:38:32 2005. |
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| j.chenkalvarayan wrote: |
| excuse me people, vikram shouldn't be compared with anyone. he has set his own standards. no one could have handled the role of chithan more elegantly . pithamagan stands as a testimony to his acting skills. no wonder he bagged the national award . sorry i can't argue like giri sir or poornima. but the fact remains vikram is the greatest actor tamil filmdom has seen so far. ofcourse after shivaji. |
| From: Rajkumar_mj on Fri Nov 25 10:42:08 2005. |
| From: Aravind_06 on Fri Nov 25 11:39:21 2005. |
| From: Girish11 on Fri Nov 25 18:13:20 2005. |
| Raghu wrote: |
| what did kamal ji do in avarghal, apart from carrying that puppet?? Rajni again beats kamal to the core as sadist husband of Sujatha, simple sarcastic performance,in which he always excells |
| vasanth_luv wrote: |
| "Rajapaarvai" was Kamal's 100th film is a myth |
| poornima wrote: |
| apologies for letting 16 vayathinile slip my mind. yeah, fine performance. but avargal? guess it's my turn to laugh.
about underplaying, i know it's not a trait which goes well with tamil filmdom. its history shows that over-the-top acting (even rajni has fallen for it in innumerable films, thanks to the so-called 'stylish' image) is always preferred to subtlety. rajnikant can be the extremes on both counts (bad in the pandyan, manithan mould and brilliant in the mullum malarum, dalapathy mould). but if we are sticking to his best outings, vikram or surya or vijayakant in ramana (three prayers and a gulp!) has a whole bloody lot of catching up to do. either ways, the question remains: count vikram/surya's films as protagonists. let's say 15 for convenience. find the first 15 films of kamal as protagonist. if the argument is vikram/surya has at least 4 films each to show their versatality (in your opinion - pithamagan, kasi, sethu, saamy, anniyan, perazhagan, kakka kakka, pithamagan, gajini), what are the kamal films which reflect his versatality in his first 15 films? i'd appreciate quantification and not 'many more's..... |
| From: Girish11 on Fri Nov 25 18:26:40 2005. |
| Aravind_06 wrote: |
| I agree with ur points poornima.
And one more thing is there are lot of character artistes who can be called as legends like Nagesh, major sundarajan, muthuraman, Sivakumar, Delhi Ganesh, Nizhalgal Ravi etc. These people all can do any kind of character with ease. Of these, apart from Sivakumar and muthuraman, none other could become a Hero becoz, they lacked the physique and the looks. So, it becomes very clear that apart from performance one needs great looks, Charisma and the physique inorder to be a class/mass Hero. Rajinikant and kamalhassan, both had all these qualities to become one. MGR had great looks, Charisma, but where is the performance? Generally, Looks play an important role to be noted by the people. Think of Aravind swamy, abbas. How people were admiring them when they arrived on screen and where they have gone now. To support this theory, I would like to quote an out of the topic example. Take Goundamani and Vivek. I feel both are excellent in comedy, but Goundamani (who has done a lot of versatile roles) is not liked by many. They dont like actors like Vinu chakravarthy, Senthaamarai, Goundamani, Vadivelu and even superstar (for his dark skin and old parattai getups),becoz,in their inner mind they are in favour of good LOOKS and Fair Skin. So, what I want to conclude here, is people who dont accept Rajini's capabalities all fall under the above group. If you are one among these, just ask yourself, you like Goundamani or Vivek. This, I have written based on my experience with Friends, Relatives and other people I have met. Opinion differs as everyone is born with different IQ levels, though the logic, Truth never changes |
| From: Poornima on Sat Nov 26 12:05:39 2005. |
| From: Nerd on Sat Nov 26 13:45:34 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 26 13:49:29 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| Girish!!
come out of your kamal obsession and watch RK movies or just dont watch them! Kamal's perf was better than RK's in avargaL?? Give me a break!! I think you still dont get the definition of acting. Acting is not all about crying on screen, painting your body, shouting like a lunatic, showing weird facial expressions etc.., If you dont get this then you dont deserve to post here! IN almost all the KH + RK movies RK stole the show from KH and this is a fact and it cant be denied! Surya?? I dint like him in ghajini at all although me being his fan. He has a lo..ng way to go till deserving a comparison with either RK/KH. Have you ever seen his first few movies?? (nErukku nEr, uyirilE kalanthathu, santhippOmA, periyannA). He just cant act!! VIkram, well he is a good actor but no way close to KH or even RK. He just cant do comedy which was quite obvious in maja, dhool. Finally, if you dont appreciate rajini's acting in MM, you just cant appreciate good acting at all. Better dont watch RK's movies, which is not your cup of tea!! |
| From: Nerd on Sat Nov 26 14:00:24 2005. |
| Quote: |
| u have not watched salangai oli,pesum padam,sippikul muthu..? |
as Raghu rightly termed, just a puppet!!| From: Justice on Sat Nov 26 14:02:37 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 26 14:04:52 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| Kamal's perf was better than RK's in avargaL?? Give me a break!!
I think you still dont get the definition of acting. Acting is not all about crying on screen, painting your body, shouting like a lunatic, showing weird facial expressions etc.., If you dont get this then you dont deserve to post here! IN almost all the KH + RK movies RK stole the show from KH and this is a fact and it cant be denied |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 26 14:04:58 2005. |
| From: Justice on Sat Nov 26 14:05:40 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 26 14:06:17 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| Kamal's perf was better than RK's in avargaL?? Give me a break!!
I think you still dont get the definition of acting. Acting is not all about crying on screen, painting your body, shouting like a lunatic, showing weird facial expressions etc.., If you dont get this then you dont deserve to post here! IN almost all the KH + RK movies RK stole the show from KH and this is a fact and it cant be denied |
| From: Nerd on Sat Nov 26 14:11:25 2005. |
I did give a reply to ur stealing the show theory
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Nov 26 14:18:17 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| I m not an idiot to quote thw whole postof somone esp if its too long I did give a reply to ur stealing the show theory
All yours, post something |
| From: Girish11 on Sun Nov 27 2:51:03 2005. |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
| Girish!!
come out of your kamal obsession and watch RK movies or just dont watch them! Kamal's perf was better than RK's in avargaL?? Give me a break!! !! |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
|
IN almost all the KH + RK movies RK stole the show from KH and this is a fact and it cant be denied!!! |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
|
VIkram, well he is a good actor but no way close to KH or even RK. He just cant do comedy which was quite obvious in maja, dhool.!!! |
| kasi_sce wrote: |
|
Finally, if you dont appreciate rajini's acting in MM, you just cant appreciate good acting at all. Better dont watch RK's movies, which is not your cup of tea!! |
| From: Poornima on Sun Nov 27 3:51:29 2005. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sun Nov 27 6:04:37 2005. |
| j.chenkalvarayan wrote: |
| excuse me people, vikram shouldn't be compared with anyone. he has set his own standards. no one could have handled the role of chithan more elegantly . pithamagan stands as a testimony to his acting skills. no wonder he bagged the national award . sorry i can't argue like giri sir or poornima. but the fact remains vikram is the greatest actor tamil filmdom has seen so far. ofcourse after shivaji. |
.....i dont know why they gave national award for chithan charecter.....j.c....nowadays vettians are wearing jeans pant!...which period are u living?...he cant even speak?....
.....that too mainly because of pithamagan performance?...no wonder u r a rajni fan.| From: selvakumar on Sun Nov 27 7:36:04 2005. |
| From: Justice on Sun Nov 27 10:25:57 2005. |
| From: Nerd on Sun Nov 27 14:05:53 2005. |
| Quote: |
| I would say the same to you, come out of RK obsession and
observe acting of other actors and compare them unbiased with non acting of RK. |
| From: Girish11 on Mon Nov 28 16:49:02 2005. |
| From: Nerd on Mon Nov 28 17:24:25 2005. |
| Quote: |
| Your statements that RK has outperformed KH
in movies they have acted together especially Avargal shows very clearly who is obsessed and who is vehemently attacking who. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 28 17:32:05 2005. |
| From: gorgeous gaayini on Mon Nov 28 17:34:48 2005. |
| m_23_bayarea wrote: |
| Howcome this mass hero thread became another Rajini vs Kamal debate (oops sorry dispute) ??? |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 28 17:37:07 2005. |
| gorgeous gaayini wrote: | ||
maybe because rajini is a mass hero.
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| From: gorgeous gaayini on Mon Nov 28 17:39:25 2005. |
| m_23_bayarea wrote: | ||||
I just don't understand why somebody has to dislike another actor just to support your favorite actor....This happens only in Tamil cinema...Why can't ppl have favorites, but also learn to not defame their competitors ?? |
| From: Kollywoodfan on Mon Nov 28 17:40:25 2005. |
| From: Justice on Mon Nov 28 17:42:17 2005. |
| m_23_bayarea wrote: |
|
I just don't understand why somebody has to dislike another actor just to support your favorite actor....This happens only in Tamil cinema...Why can't ppl have favorites, but also learn to not defame their competitors ?? |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 28 17:42:43 2005. |
| gorgeous gaayini wrote: |
| dnt ask me, u kno, i allways love the actor i like, and i'm a hardcore fan of the ones i like and i bash the oppositions exept in rajin + kamal view, i'm a hardcore fan of rajin bt i do accept kamal and openly sya that i enjoy lots of his movies.
|
| From: gorgeous gaayini on Mon Nov 28 17:43:46 2005. |
| m_23_bayarea wrote: | ||
Gaayu, that question was OBVIOUSLY not for you .... Duhhhhh !! That was for all others who just constantly fight trying to project their favorite and pull down his competitor .... |
| From: Justice on Mon Nov 28 17:44:28 2005. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 28 17:46:19 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| bay ane, read my sign |
| From: Justice on Mon Nov 28 17:47:34 2005. |
| m_23_bayarea wrote: | ||
It's very good....Hope that it becomes true next year |
| From: gorgeous gaayini on Mon Nov 28 17:49:03 2005. |
| justice wrote: |
| bay ane, read my sign |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 28 17:50:44 2005. |
| gorgeous gaayini wrote: |
| What does it say?
oh wait i can read 3 letters : G ஆ அ the fisrt one is aavana and the second is aana, bt they come the other way around in the alphabet! thats all i kno in reading and writting tamil.
|
| From: karthik_sa2 on Sat Dec 3 13:56:41 2005. |
| From: Shakthiprabha. on Sat Dec 3 14:08:58 2005. |
| From: karthik_sa2 on Sat Dec 3 14:27:13 2005. |
| From: ranjit_g on Sat Dec 3 14:31:04 2005. |
| karthik_sa2 wrote: |
| mgr had a better mass appeal than rajini.but no one cany deny the fact that rajini is a far far better actor than mgr. |
| From: Justice on Sat Dec 3 14:31:40 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||
rajini has more mass appeal and is a far betetr actor than mgr. |
| From: nilavupriyan on Sat Dec 3 23:53:38 2005. |
| ranjit_g wrote: | ||
rajini has more mass appeal and is a far betetr actor than mgr. |
| From: Justice on Sat Dec 3 23:55:12 2005. |
| From: tfmlover on Wed Dec 7 21:05:43 2005. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Dec 7 21:09:02 2005. |
| From: tfmlover on Wed Dec 7 21:11:47 2005. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Dec 7 21:14:01 2005. |
| From: Surya on Sat Oct 7 15:33:35 2006. |
| From: ajithfederer on Sat Oct 7 15:34:06 2006. |
@ surya for revivin this thread 
| From: Surya on Sat Oct 7 15:34:27 2006. |
| From: ajithfederer on Sat Oct 7 15:35:42 2006. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Oct 7 15:36:40 2006. |
| From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 15:37:24 2006. |
| From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 15:39:11 2006. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Oct 7 15:39:35 2006. |
| imsai wrote: |
| Judi, let's have a discussion here |
| From: ajithfederer on Sat Oct 7 15:39:42 2006. |
| m_23_bayarea wrote: |
| Pochu po !!! MGR vs Sivaji over aachu !! Ippo MGR vs Rajini-yaaa ???
ESCAPPUUUU !!!! |
| From: Tia on Sat Oct 7 17:13:34 2006. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Oct 7 17:15:07 2006. |
| Tia wrote: |
| Rajini!
omg bay ur avatar is hotttt! :jollu: |
| From: imsai on Sat Oct 7 17:15:43 2006. |
| From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Oct 7 17:17:49 2006. |
| imsai wrote: |
| Judi, your avatar |
| From: raaja_rasigan on Sat Oct 7 18:11:31 2006. |
| From: Tia on Sat Oct 7 18:23:00 2006. |
lolzzzzz
| m_23_bayarea wrote: | ||
Thanks Gaayu Kutty !! Wish I could say the same abt your avtar too !! |
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