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From: Kumar
on 28th April 2005 08:35 AM
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Hi Girish,
This topic was disussed in a similar thread:
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2601
Perhaps you can continue where it was left off.
But I thought I'd just say something on Madhavan, just to follow up on your comments. I think Madhavan is being given challenging roles, or at least roles that are different from the ones he did when he started. He's moved from pretty boy romantic hero to do movies like Nalla Damayanthi.Comedy is hard to do, and Madhavan did a good job. I also thought his performance in Ayutha Ezhuthu was exceptional. He was believable as a rough and tough rogue. I used to be very critical of him when he just did stereotypical lover boy roles; but he's proved me wrong.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Tamil cinema has the talent. The onus also falls on cinema patrons who should accept actors who take on challenging roles rather than sticking to their 'signature' characters.
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From: HindustaniLadka
on 28th April 2005 08:51 AM
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Bollywood by far. Bollywood films are generally better than most regional films in every aspect(there are some terrible bollywood films out there though, ex. Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav, Murder, etc.). Bollywood has been bringing talent from all parts of India for a long time and it shows the best of India. Some great bollywood films include:
Kisna
Veer Zaara
Kal Ho Na Ho
Hungama
Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
Ab Tumhare Hawale Watan Sathiyo
Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Ghum
Koi Mil Gaya
Lakshya
Dhoom
Vaada
Lagaan
Terrible Movies:
Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav
Girlfriend
Murder
Khwashish
Shaque
Mumbai Express(i thought this movie would be decent, but it turned out to be almost as tedious to watch as Laloo PRasad Yadav).
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From: Kumar
on 28th April 2005 11:25 AM
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Hindi and Tamil movies have their fare share of ghastly films. Bollywood has its talking camels and Tamil cinema has its typewriting snake (this line is dedicated to my friend, Prabhu Ram). See the link I provided above and you'll see what I mean.
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From: sanjay
on 28th April 2005 12:41 PM
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I will not agree that Bollywood has started making better films. Among the films mentioned by Hindustani ladka, except lagaan which was a novel attempt & lakshaya, the others are pretty ordinary films. They cannot be termed great.
Mumbai express definitely cannot be termed terrible (when U can call vaada great).
Even if U argue that bollywood films are technically superior, the point to be noted is that the technicians are all from the south. Also, films by priyadarshan are all remakes of his mallu hits.
Ram gopal verma goes in for rehash of hollywood flicks - egs are road, kaun etc., etc.,
Tamil movies too have a share of good & bad films.
So, U cannot conclude that bollywood films are better.
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From: sanju
on 28th April 2005 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
HindustaniLadka
Bollywood by far. Bollywood films are generally better than most regional films in every aspect(there are some terrible bollywood films out there though, ex. Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav, Murder, etc.). Bollywood has been bringing talent from all parts of India for a long time and it shows the best of India. Some great bollywood films include:
Kisna
Veer Zaara
Kal Ho Na Ho
Hungama
Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
Ab Tumhare Hawale Watan Sathiyo
Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Ghum
Koi Mil Gaya
Lakshya
Dhoom
Vaada
Lagaan
Terrible Movies:
Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav
Girlfriend
Murder
Khwashish
Shaque
Mumbai Express(i thought this movie would be decent, but it turned out to be almost as tedious to watch as Laloo PRasad Yadav).
funny list, except lagaan i dont see any other great films in that list.perhaps you forget to mention black, that was a great film. some of the nice films that came in bollywood recently are,
page3
my brother nikhil
waqt
black
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From: joe
on 28th April 2005 04:27 PM
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This crap hindustanladkha finally arrived here also to spoil ..Well..He has no idea about Tamil movies and as usual he come to the conclusion Bollywood is far better..How many tamil and malayalam movies he have seen?
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From: Raghu
on 28th April 2005 04:44 PM
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Ok, My unbiased verdict.
Bollywood
+ points
1) Glamour
2) Beautiful Heroines
3) Loads of money
- points
1) Pathetic stories
2) Copies all the perverted ideas from hollywood and leaves the good stuff from hollywood
3) Same type of music and tunes in every single film, album, no variety
4) Most of the stories inspired from south becomes super hit
Kollywood
+ points
1) living legends like Super *, Dr.SPB, Dr.KJY, Dr.IR, ARR,Kamalhasan, Mamooty, Mohan Lal, Maniratnam,...etc
2) Story is far more realistic and good in south than up north(I am talking about currently, 80's hindi movies were sensible)
3)Beauty queens like Aish, Sri Devi, Hema Malini, Rekha,.....
4) Excellent Technicians and directors like Ram Gopal Varma, Maniratnam, PC Sriram,...etc.
- points
1) lack of funds to make high budget movies, except Rajni /Shanker Movies
2) Our Heros & heroines (Can not find one Tamil heroine) are well beaten by Bollywood in terms of looks, except a few
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From: vijayasm
on 28th April 2005 05:44 PM
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"lack of funds to make high budget movies, except Rajni /Shanker Movies "
adadaa adangamaataangappa ivanga !!!!
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From: scorpio
on 28th April 2005 06:24 PM
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raghu,
eppolernthu Aish Kollywood beauty queen aanaanga????
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From: Raghu
on 28th April 2005 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by
scorpio
raghu,
eppolernthu Aish Kollywood beauty queen aanaanga????

Sorpio Maam
Aish vanthu south Indian, theriyatha Ungalukku
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From: scorpio
on 28th April 2005 06:38 PM
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theriyum pa, aanaal avanga eppolernthu kollywood pluspoint aanangannu thaan muzhikaren!
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From: jaiganes
on 28th April 2005 10:30 PM
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Both kollywood and bollywood industries are 98% filth movies only.
Atleast Hindi film world has a parallel movie industry (or the art film industry) which has some of the best talents like Govind nihalani, Tapan Sinha, Ketan Mehta, Gulzar, Vishaal and so on. whereas that place in Thamizh film industry is scarcely populated. So in terms of quality movies and if we include hindi parallel cinema in, then bollywood is the winner.
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From: Girish11
on 29th April 2005 12:34 AM
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Thanks Kumar

Originally Posted by
Kumar
Hi Girish,
This topic was disussed in a similar thread:
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=2601
Perhaps you can continue where it was left off.
But I thought I'd just say something on Madhavan, just to follow up on your comments. I think Madhavan is being given challenging roles, or at least roles that are different from the ones he did when he started. He's moved from pretty boy romantic hero to do movies like Nalla Damayanthi.Comedy is hard to do, and Madhavan did a good job. I also thought his performance in Ayutha Ezhuthu was exceptional. He was believable as a rough and tough rogue. I used to be very critical of him when he just did stereotypical lover boy roles; but he's proved me wrong.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Tamil cinema has the talent. The onus also falls on cinema patrons who should accept actors who take on challenging roles rather than sticking to their 'signature' characters.
Thanks for the info Kumar. Saw the thread, but not much of
real interesting feedback there. Agree with your comments of
Madhavan and Tamil cinema makers btw.
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From: ramsri
on 29th April 2005 12:43 AM
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interesting discussion ...
i think it's a comparison which needs to be looked at from several angles - one thing's for sure - as far the "mass appeal" films are concerned (the kind of films that play purely to the galleries and are quite simply, shots at box office glory) there's not much of a difference between hindi and tamil films. i mean, bombay has its shah rukh khans, karan johars and david dhawans, just as madras has its vijays, ajiths and k.s.ravikumars. no offence meant to these guys ... its just that they tend to look at movie-making as a business rather than as an art.
but when it comes to the really good films - the kind of thematic filmmaking which people like govind nihalani, mani ratnam etc. have come to be know for, i think tamil films have a slight edge, as of now. in spite of ramgopal varma, farhan akhtar et al, the general standard of hindi cinema is still quite deplorable. but it's a trend that's beginning to change, as more and more hindi filmmakers are turning towards serious subjects, with honest efforts to make films of substance.
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From: Girish11
on 29th April 2005 12:53 AM
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Not true

Originally Posted by
HindustaniLadka
Bollywood by far. Bollywood films are generally better than most regional films in every aspect(there are some terrible bollywood films out there though, ex. Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav, Murder, etc.). Bollywood has been bringing talent from all parts of India for a long time and it shows the best of India. Some great bollywood films include:
Kisna
Veer Zaara
Kal Ho Na Ho
Hungama
Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
Ab Tumhare Hawale Watan Sathiyo
Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Ghum
Koi Mil Gaya
Lakshya
Dhoom
Vaada
Lagaan
Terrible Movies:
Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav
Girlfriend
Murder
Khwashish
Shaque
Mumbai Express(i thought this movie would be decent, but it turned out to be almost as tedious to watch as Laloo PRasad Yadav).
I dont agree with your comments Ladka "Bollywood films are generally better than most regional films in every aspect"
I dont think so, even today, Kollywood, in terms of quality
if not ahead is in par with Bollywood, what I was generally
trying to say is that in last couple of years, Bollywood has
progressed more when compared to Kollywood or Malayalam
movies.
You said "Bollywood has been bringing talent from all parts of India for a long time and it shows the best of India"
Can you please give some examples? Yes, they have
given big breaks to some heroines, the likes of Sridevi etc
who they took mainly for purposes of glamour, but these
actresses thru their ability gradually buit up their popularity
and went to the top, but basically I think Bollywood is not
very welcoming and open to South Indian start in terms of
male actors. There are many great actors in South, many, much
better than Bollywood who were not given the deserved
oppurtunities and not welcomed by Bollywood.
Some comments on your list:
Kisna-Good movie? Sorry, I beg to differ, this one has been one
of the.... actually.... the worst movie among
the hyped movies I have seen, I like Vivek
Oberoi and I felt so sad for him having done
this movie just for the sake of the name of
Subash Ghai. Agree with you regarding
Lagaan, KKHH, Lakshya, Dhoom, Hungama,
Girlfriend, Murder, Koi Mil gaya, Kal ho na ho
Just ok.
Veer Zaara &
K3g - personally did not find anything special,
Mumbai express definately not terrible and
definately a million times better than KISNA.
Rest did not see.
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From: Girish11
on 29th April 2005 01:05 AM
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Art movies??

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Both kollywood and bollywood industries are 98% filth movies only.
Atleast Hindi film world has a parallel movie industry (or the art film industry) which has some of the best talents like Govind nihalani, Tapan Sinha, Ketan Mehta, Gulzar, Vishaal and so on. whereas that place in Thamizh film industry is scarcely populated. So in terms of quality movies and if we include hindi parallel cinema in, then bollywood is the winner.
Art movies is just a fantasy term in my opinion, what you used
to consider as art movies earlier in Hindi cinema used to be
seen as a regular movie in South even many years back,
ex, many Malayalam movies Yatra for one eg, Moondram Pirai
an ex for Tamil, (Sagma was considered an art movie in
Hindi which will surely surprise the audience of South),
this explains that until some time back the taste of South fans
for movies has been far better than Bollywood. Probably
you should see some old Malayalam movies before making a
decision.
One sad thing, some good directors who used to make
quality movies earlier in Hindi have totally lost their way
and starting making rubbish movies.... ex, Mahesh butt, can you
beleive he made 'Arth" when you see his last few movies??????
Govind Nihlani...I have seen Drohkaal... excellent stuff, but
what was "Takshak"??? atleast he has not become like
Mahesh Bhatt and continues to do some decent work. 'Dev"
if I am not mistaken is made by G.Nihlani right? Pretty decent.
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From: Miss Chennai
on 29th April 2005 01:12 AM
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Re: Art movies??

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Atleast Hindi film world has a parallel movie industry (or the art film industry) which has some of the best talents like Govind nihalani, Tapan Sinha, Ketan Mehta, Gulzar, Vishaal and so on. whereas that place in Thamizh film industry is scarcely populated. So in terms of quality movies and if we include hindi parallel cinema in, then bollywood is the winner.
I agree with this statement.

Originally Posted by
Girish11
Probably you should see some old Malayalam movies before making a decision.
I thought in this thread is about Bollywood (Hindi) vs. Kollywood (Tamil). I don't know how come suddenly Mallu films came in to the picture? Then someone else will start roping in Bengali & Marathi films which has a special place for art movies as well!
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From: HindustaniLadka
on 29th April 2005 01:28 AM
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Re: Not true

Originally Posted by
Girish11

Originally Posted by
HindustaniLadka
Bollywood by far. Bollywood films are generally better than most regional films in every aspect(there are some terrible bollywood films out there though, ex. Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav, Murder, etc.). Bollywood has been bringing talent from all parts of India for a long time and it shows the best of India. Some great bollywood films include:
Kisna
Veer Zaara
Kal Ho Na Ho
Hungama
Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
Ab Tumhare Hawale Watan Sathiyo
Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Ghum
Koi Mil Gaya
Lakshya
Dhoom
Vaada
Lagaan
Terrible Movies:
Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav
Girlfriend
Murder
Khwashish
Shaque
Mumbai Express(i thought this movie would be decent, but it turned out to be almost as tedious to watch as Laloo PRasad Yadav).
I dont agree with your comments Ladka "Bollywood films are generally better than most regional films in every aspect"
I dont think so, even today, Kollywood, in terms of quality
if not ahead is in par with Bollywood, what I was generally
trying to say is that in last couple of years, Bollywood has
progressed more when compared to Kollywood or Malayalam
movies.
You said "Bollywood has been bringing talent from all parts of India for a long time and it shows the best of India"
Can you please give some examples? Yes, they have
given big breaks to some heroines, the likes of Sridevi etc
who they took mainly for purposes of glamour, but these
actresses thru their ability gradually buit up their popularity
and went to the top, but basically I think Bollywood is not
very welcoming and open to South Indian start in terms of
male actors. There are many great actors in South, many, much
better than Bollywood who were not given the deserved
oppurtunities and not welcomed by Bollywood.
Some comments on your list:
Kisna-Good movie? Sorry, I beg to differ, this one has been one
of the.... actually.... the worst movie among
the hyped movies I have seen, I like Vivek
Oberoi and I felt so sad for him having done
this movie just for the sake of the name of
Subash Ghai. Agree with you regarding
Lagaan, KKHH, Lakshya, Dhoom, Hungama,
Girlfriend, Murder, Koi Mil gaya, Kal ho na ho
Just ok.
Veer Zaara &
K3g - personally did not find anything special,
Mumbai express definately not terrible and
definately a million times better than KISNA.
Rest did not see.
I do not agree with you about the idea that kollywood is at par with, if not better than bollyood. Kollywood produces terribkle quality movies and the filsm only get worse over time. Bollywood films get better over time and they are almost at par with hollyowod filsm these days.
Here are examples of talent in Bollywood from all parts of India:
Aishwarya Rai - Karnataka
Hema Malini - TN
Sridevi - AP
Sunil SHetty - Karnataka
Shilpa Shetty - Karnataka
Amrita Rao - AP
Diya Mirza - AP
Kamal Hasan - TN
SRK - Delhi
Hrithik Roshan - MUmbai
Priyanka Chopra - UP
Bipasha Basu - Bengal
Esha Deol - Punjab/TN
Sunny Deol - Punjab
Amitabh - Gujurat
Paresh Rawal - Gujurat
A.R. Rehman - TN
Ram Gopal Varma - AP
Mahesh Bhatt - Maharashtra
Amisha Patel - Gujurat
Sameera Reddy - AP
Meghna Naidu - AP
As for the fact that many actors that are popular in south films never get into bollywood...most of the actors that are popular in the south are terrible. For example, Chiranjeevi, Mamooty, and Madhavan are neither good looking nor good at acting, but they are still popular. Some good actors from teh south that have gotten into bollywood are Sunil Shetty and Kamal Hasan.
Also, how is Kisna a terrible movie? It is has great acting, music, direction and quality. Mumbai Express is a joke. If anything was over hyped, it is definetly Mumbai Express. The acting is pathetic even though Kamal Haasan is in it.
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From: Girish11
on 29th April 2005 01:29 AM
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Re: Art movies??

Originally Posted by
Miss Chennai

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Atleast Hindi film world has a parallel movie industry (or the art film industry) which has some of the best talents like Govind nihalani, Tapan Sinha, Ketan Mehta, Gulzar, Vishaal and so on. whereas that place in Thamizh film industry is scarcely populated. So in terms of quality movies and if we include hindi parallel cinema in, then bollywood is the winner.
I agree with this statement.

Originally Posted by
Girish11
Probably you should see some old Malayalam movies before making a decision.
I thought in this thread is about Bollywood (Hindi) vs. Kollywood (Tamil). I don't know how come suddenly Mallu films came in to the picture? Then someone else will start roping in Bengali & Marathi films which has a special place for art movies as well!
Sorry for not clarifying well Ms.Chennai, I did not mention
in the title Malayalam movies (do they also have short term...
Mollywood?, not sure) but in the very first post in my thread,
you can see, I did compare Bolloywood with both Tamil and
Malayalam movies, these are the 3 I know about, I dont know
much about Teleugu, Kannada, Gujrathi, Bengali movies etc. So
I was trying to discuss on something that I know something about.
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From: Surya
on 29th April 2005 02:00 AM
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HL,
Kamal Hassan is from Tamiz Naadu. Not AP.
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From: Miss Chennai
on 29th April 2005 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by
Girish11
Sorry for not clarifying well Ms.Chennai, I did not mention
in the title Malayalam movies (do they also have short term...
Mollywood?, not sure) but in the very first post in my thread,
you can see, I did compare Bolloywood with both Tamil and
Malayalam movies
Thanks for clarifying the thread! Ok, if you bring Mallu movies into the picture then I would say Mallu films are ahead of Bollywood in terms of realism & preserving their nativity. I used to be an avid follower of Mallu movies in the 80's especially whern Mohanlal, Mamooty & Shobana in their peak! The thing that gauges well for Mallu movies is that they never compromise on their nativity. Thankfully hero worship/violence is something that never became a “trend” in Mallu films. But now I lost touch with Mallu films. So, I’m going to “conveniently” take Mallu movies out of the equation.
I think in 60’s, 70’s and 80’s the quality of Tamil movies was as good as Hindi movies if not better.
After the 90’s, when u “strictly” compare Tamil vs. Hindi movies then Hindi movies has the edge over the Tamil movies. Let’s just compare an “average” Tamil movie vs. “average” Hindi movie. No doubt both movies are clichéd but they are clichéd in their own ways. To me, personally, the way our (Tamil) movies are clichéd irks me a lot than the way Hindi movies are clichéd. One thing that I don’t like about Bollywood is they try to imitate the western movies by having “glossy” & “glamorous” portrayal of their characters and hence tend to loose the “nativity” of our own culture. But I can take that better than our Tamil movies where we portray a film which is too far-fetched from reality. Being unrelalistic is okay because it's after all cinema but making it "crudely" unrealistic is what I dislike more about our "average" Tamil movies. At least Hindi movies doesn’t have the clichéd –ness of Tamil movies which is abundant with too much of “hero worship” crap, heroes “hijacking” films for their personal “image building” exercise, crass/crude comedy tracks and “loud” dialogues. In terms of technical aspects of film making, Kollywood are almost at the same level as Bollywood.
Good movies pop up here and there in both Hindi & Tamil (Teen Deewarein, Black, Autograph, Kaadhal). But I thought when the movies in Hindi are good they are “really good”. I’m not sure whether there are not that much amount of art movies production in Hindi these days. Those days Hindi cinema had art film gurus like Sathrughan Sinha, Amol Palekar, Naseeruddin Shah & Om Puri! I know for sure that Tamil movies barely had the concept of parallel cinema at all. Neither does Tamil cinema that has gurus like K.Balachander, Bharathi Raja who gave some high quality movies in the 70’s & 80’s!
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From: m_23_bayarea
on 29th April 2005 02:19 AM
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I think both Hindi and Tamil movies are awesome. Of course, each one has its own pros and cons. Don't waana stereotype, but if Hindi movies can move out of that Punjabi wedding backgrounds and focus on more realistic movies like Company, Fiza, or Yuva, it would be good. But love stories have more glitz and glamor, so no complaints.
Tamil movies are better contentwise, but since the market is not that big as Hindi, production costs are low, and hence the movies don't carry that much glitz and glamor. But they really have great talents. If only all Tamils knew to speak Hindi, they all will conquer Bollywood in no time, with the enormous potential.....
But as an Indian in America, I'm proud of both industries...
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From: nickraman
on 29th April 2005 04:37 AM
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Bollywood owns Kolly man:
Bollywood
Pluses:
Acting
Actors
Story-Black especially
Cinematography, foreign locations, foreign fame, Choreography!
Music
Cons:
Skin Shows
Repetive plot themes
Kollywood:
Pluses:
Acting-(sometimes)
Actors-(lopsided)
Story-(not rural based)
Music-(props to YSR and IR esp.)
Cons:
Dance steps-(village like)
Kuthu style
adi-thadi
slapstick comedy
Rip-off matrix tricks
Folk dances-(nee enda oore-Thirupachi auugh!)
Hollywood copies-(certain movies)
English titles oppostion-(CORRUPT SYSTEM, NORTH INDIA AND USA RULES HA HA!)
So who wins, I think Bollywood, no title problems and I think Ajith, Maddy and Kamal have a great market there, the southies, ugh to village like, satyaraj especially!
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From: nia
on 29th April 2005 04:56 AM
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i feel that kollywood / south movies focuses more on story value rather than glamour as compared to bollywood. i would't say that kollywood do not have glamour, it does bt not as focused as bollywood. bollywood concentrates on beautiful heroins ( must be slim,fair etc) but look at the kollywood for instance, we still accept people like vijaykant,murali,bhagyaraj,cheran ( autograph) as our heroes but u dont see such ppl in bollywood as heroes do u!we look for quality and appreciate a person's talent no matter how he looks or even if he is not a hearthrob!
n in no manner we can downgrade the movies produced by kolywood, we have so many good movies, the list would just go on!
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From: Ilavenil
on 29th April 2005 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by
Raghu
1) living legends like Super *, Dr.SPB, Dr.KJY, Dr.IR, ARR,Kamalhasan, Mamooty, Mohan Lal, Maniratnam,...etc
I would like to add
Directors like Balachandar, Balu Mahendra, Faazil, Priyadarshan and
Actors/ Actresses like Sivaji, MGR, Gemini, Saavithri, Padmini, Sri Devi, Manoramma, Naagesh, Thangavelu, Vivek, Revathi, Naazar,
MD- Vishvanaathan- Raamamoorthy,
Singers-- P. Susheela, Vani jayaraam, Janaki, Chitra, Hariharan, Shankar Mahadevan, PBS, AM. Raja ......
Inthap padai pothumaa? Innum konjam venumaa?
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From: HindustaniLadka
on 29th April 2005 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by
Surya
HL,
Kamal Hassan is from Tamiz Naadu. Not AP.

haha, my bad...i accidently typed in AP.
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From: Girish11
on 29th April 2005 12:51 PM
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Ladka
Hindustani Ladka wrote:
I do not agree with you about the idea that kollywood is at par with, if not better than bollyood. Kollywood produces terribkle quality movies and the filsm only get worse over time. Bollywood films get better over time and they are almost at par with hollyowod filsm these days.
Here are examples of talent in Bollywood from all parts of India:
Aishwarya Rai - Karnataka
Hema Malini - TN
Sridevi - AP
Sunil SHetty - Karnataka
Shilpa Shetty - Karnataka
Amrita Rao - AP
Diya Mirza - AP
Kamal Hasan - TN
SRK - Delhi
Hrithik Roshan - MUmbai
Priyanka Chopra - UP
Bipasha Basu - Bengal
Esha Deol - Punjab/TN
Sunny Deol - Punjab
Amitabh - Gujurat
Paresh Rawal - Gujurat
A.R. Rehman - TN
Ram Gopal Varma - AP
Mahesh Bhatt - Maharashtra
Amisha Patel - Gujurat
Sameera Reddy - AP
Meghna Naidu - AP
As for the fact that many actors that are popular in south films never get into bollywood...most of the actors that are popular in the south are terrible. For example, Chiranjeevi, Mamooty, and Madhavan are neither good looking nor good at acting, but they are still popular. Some good actors from teh south that have gotten into bollywood are Sunil Shetty and Kamal Hasan.
Also, how is Kisna a terrible movie? It is has great acting, music, direction and quality. Mumbai Express is a joke. If anything was over hyped, it is definetly Mumbai Express. The acting is pathetic even though Kamal Haasan is in it.
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Ladka, first thing, after reading some posts from you in
some other earlier threads, I realize you dont know
Tamil, nor about Tamil movies (You asked in one of your posts
what is the meaning of Punnagai Mannan after seeing the
dubbed version of this movie in Telugu), so I wonder, without
even knowing Tamil and seeing Tamil movies how you can
jump to the conclusion that Bollywood movies are far superior
to all other regional movies??? Further, I am sure you should
be knowing nothing about malayalam movies either or seen any.
I am open to sincere criticizm and comparison, as you can
see, I am the one who started this thread and I have mentioned
that Bollywood movies have improved more during the last
couple of years compared to Kollywood movies, but this, what you are doing is by
no means fair, please avoid such things. The simple fact
that you mentioned that Kamal is from AP shows how much
you know about Tamil movies. Please..........
Bollywood par with Hollywood??? One movie like Black does
not prove it, before saying such a thing, please be reasonable,
we all know hardly 10% of Bollywood movies are worth anything
at all. You probably would say Kisna is one such movie in par
with Hollywood, I will not be surprised if you say that since you
have already praised so much about Kisna. In my opinion
Kisna would come under negative ratings, not even zero.
If anyone in participating here has seen Kisna, please give your
honest opinion about it.
Re talents from all parts of India, I did specify that Bollowood
dont give the deserved recognition to South Indian actors
(Madrasi actors, in your language) and I did mention that the
actresses do get the chances to add to the glamour. Your list
mentions just 2 actors, Sunil Shetty and Kamal, Sunil Shetty,
many dont even know that he is a south Indian, he has got
the breaks being born and brought up in North, I dont even know
if he can speak his mother tounge. Re Kamal, do you mean
to say he got the breaks, recognition he deserved? If so,
people like Sunny deol could never have got a chance to act
in so many movies compared to Kamal, mind you, I am making
the comparison with one of the lousiest Hindi actors, whereas
the place Kamal would deserve would be much higher that
many top actors you would imagine.
You cited tha South actors are terrible looking and that is the
reason for not getting chances in Bollywood. We are discussing
about movies here, about actors, about acting, not modelling
projects my friend. Looks should not matter, Nasserddin shah/Om Puri acclaimed as one of the best actors by all cricitcs is not good
looking, nor is Mithun Chakravarthy who once used to be second only to Amitabh, nor the actor of Ray who just got an oscar.
Do you mean to say only the guys who have a good physique
and remove their shirts every now and then in movies are
good actors???
About Kisna I have already given my comments, regarding comparison between Kisna and ME, I would prefer the hubbers
here who have watched both the movies do it to make you
understand better.
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From: joe
on 29th April 2005 01:09 PM
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Girish11,
Pls don't waste your time with Hindustanladkha..All he knows is India is North India and Indian cinema is Hindi cinema.
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From: HindustaniLadka
on 29th April 2005 02:18 PM
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Yes, all i know about India is North India. That must be why i lived in Andhra Pradesh for 5 years right? And why i have never actually lived in Northern India right? It is also why my mother tongue is Telugu right?
Anyway, i have seen 2 Tamil films, a lot of Telugu films, and some Bengali films. But, i have seen thousands of Hindi films. In reality, most people in India don't give a crap what side of India the actress or actor the are watching is from. We need to get over this North/South seperation. The main reason why there are not as many actors from the south in Bollywood is because most of them do not even bother trying to get into bollywood and they stick to their regional films.
The good actors that make an actual effort can easily get roles and if they are good, they can become stars. But, for example, if a terrible actor or an ugly looking guy trys to get a starring role, it will only lead to his demise in bollywood. For example, Madhavan tried to get into Hindi films by starring in some movie called Rehna Tera something...but anyway, the movie flopped and he was never seen in bollywood again because no one(people from the North/South alike) liked his acting and his looks. For the same reason, Chiranjeevi(who is popular in Telugu films for some odd reason) would never survive in bollywood by playing starring roles because he is very fat, idiotic look and terrible at acting.
As for Sunil Shetty, many people don't know that he is from the South because the last thing people think about is what side of India an actor they are watching is from. People know that Kamal Hasan is from TN because he goes around telling everyone that he is.
About Kisna, how you look at the film depends on your own personal likings and opinions, so lets not bother argueing on how good the film was.
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From: sanjay
on 29th April 2005 05:27 PM
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I disagree with ladka here. Cine goers in the north just cannot tolerate any one south of the Vindhyas as heroes. Heroines are a different proposition.
A classic example is kamal haasan. Actors wih much lesser talent are bigger stars there just b'cos they are from the north.
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From: sanju
on 29th April 2005 08:46 PM
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Re: Not true
[quote="HindustaniLadka"][quote="Girish11"]

Originally Posted by
HindustaniLadka
As for the fact that many actors that are popular in south films never get into bollywood...most of the actors that are popular in the south are terrible. For example, Chiranjeevi, Mamooty, and Madhavan are neither good looking nor good at acting, but they are still popular. Some good actors from teh south that have gotten into bollywood are Sunil Shetty and Kamal Hasan.
Also, how is Kisna a terrible movie? It is has great acting, music, direction and quality. Mumbai Express is a joke. If anything was over hyped, it is definetly Mumbai Express. The acting is pathetic even though Kamal Haasan is in it.
this guy is talking absolute nonsense, mamooty is one of the greatest actor in india. he has won the national award 3 times. still this guy thinks that he is not a good actor. he is also not bad looking too. please dont talk about the things you dont know.
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From: Girish11
on 29th April 2005 08:58 PM
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You see?

Originally Posted by
HindustaniLadka
Yes, all i know about India is North India. That must be why i lived in Andhra Pradesh for 5 years right? And why i have never actually lived in Northern India right? It is also why my mother tongue is Telugu right?
Anyway, i have seen 2 Tamil films, a lot of Telugu films, and some Bengali films. But, i have seen thousands of Hindi films. In reality, most people in India don't give a crap what side of India the actress or actor the are watching is from. We need to get over this North/South seperation. The main reason why there are not as many actors from the south in Bollywood is because most of them do not even bother trying to get into bollywood and they stick to their regional films.
The good actors that make an actual effort can easily get roles and if they are good, they can become stars. But, for example, if a terrible actor or an ugly looking guy trys to get a starring role, it will only lead to his demise in bollywood. For example, Madhavan tried to get into Hindi films by starring in some movie called Rehna Tera something...but anyway, the movie flopped and he was never seen in bollywood again because no one(people from the North/South alike) liked his acting and his looks. For the same reason, Chiranjeevi(who is popular in Telugu films for some odd reason) would never survive in bollywood by playing starring roles because he is very fat, idiotic look and terrible at acting.
As for Sunil Shetty, many people don't know that he is from the South because the last thing people think about is what side of India an actor they are watching is from. People know that Kamal Hasan is from TN because he goes around telling everyone that he is.
About Kisna, how you look at the film depends on your own personal likings and opinions, so lets not bother argueing on how good the film was.
Ladka, I say it here again, you yourself have replied that you
have seen only 2 Tamil movies, as per the topic, we are
discussing comparison of Bollywood with Tamil and Malayalam
movies, you could even be a native of AP or even a master
of Telugu language, its history etc, does not matter, but
does your watching of just 2 Tamil movies and no Malayalam
movies and thousands of Bollywood movies entitle you to
give your opinion on this matter??????? It surely does not,
so why brag about Bollywood without knowing anything
about Tamil or Malayalam movies???
Re Madhavan, you are mistaken my friend, people in North
know him even before people of South recognized him,
Madhavan has acted in some hindi tv series before he started
acting in Tamil movies and it was not some unpopular flop
serial, in fact it was a popular comedy serial, Further, Madhavan
did act in hindi movies after Rehna Hai tere dil mein, please check your
facts.
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From: nia
on 29th April 2005 10:38 PM
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hindustanladka the so called knows nothing! he thinks Indian movies are Hindi only and only Bollywood! that itself shows how much he knws how to appreciate a good work or art!
he in no way is capable to judge! c'mmon man what the heck! u r looking at looks? what has ppl like Salman Khan with good looks knw? he can;t act, he is surviving only with his stupid looks and his body! he cant act!!!
madhavan is good looking what u mean not good looking! madhavan can act, mammoty cant act???? u must be dreaming mate? someone to say ,mammooty cant act and chiranjeevi can;t act.
hey looks can be very deceiving! bollywood actors has got looks but they can't act as good as out South ppl, all that they go around showing is their face and glamour.
Once there was this award show in South and Amitha Bachan was the guest and u knw what he said? He said I still admire the quality and the technology the South Indian Cinema posses even the Bollywood does not have it!
What do you mean by the South Indian films do not have quality and is worsening over the time? South Indian movies always had quality and is getting better and better, look at movies like Kuruthi Poonal, Autograph,Pithamagan? I dont think any Bollywood movie will survive by making movies like this without any glamour! SOuth people appreciates quality and talents and not just a bunch glamour people who cant even act...Salman Khan sucks, Vivek Oberoi-- what does he do, plays with his looks?,priyanka Chopra-- what is this "pageant" doing in the cineworld? Bipasha Basu? -- well i need not tell much about her acting....
Hindustan Ladka, do not judge our South Indian actress and actors, i guess by seeing merely 2 tamil movies and a dozen ot Telegu movies and some Malayalam movies you are not in a position to comment anything at all!
you have mentioned in ur list the movie dhoom? well didnt u see Kaaka Kaaka?! it had all the technology ( camera) involved, so well picturised.
mate did you see Sethu, did u see how Vikram acted? he even got an award, the same thing in Hindi-- cant remember the name, Salman Khan was never near to Vikram's acting!
Reconsider ur thoughts!
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From: sanju
on 30th April 2005 01:15 AM
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south films are not always including the styles and gimmicks of superstars. there are films with great story line and brilliant performances. when there is a chandramukhi there is an autograph also. when there is films like thirupachi, attahasam there is also films like pithamagan, kathal. there is commercial films as well as quality ones. there are brilliant directors like mani rathnam, bharatiraja, adoor gopalakrishnan... , there are great music directors like ar rahman, ilayaraja.. , there are superb actors like mamooty, mohanlal, kamal hasan, prakash raj, vikram, raghuvaran, there are legendary singers like sp balasubramanyam, kj yesudas..., and also actresses like revathi, shobhana, suhasini..
south films have a lot of talents and they are making great films also. if somebody dont have the facility or time to see and appreciate those films, its not their fault. i will say that they are unlucky.
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From: Ilavenil
on 30th April 2005 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by
HindustaniLadka
Anyway, i have seen 2 Tamil films, a lot of Telugu films, and some Bengali films. But, i have seen thousands of Hindi films.
if a terrible actor or an ugly looking guy trys to get a starring role, it will only lead to his demise in bollywood. For example, Madhavan tried to get into Hindi films by starring in some movie called Rehna Tera something...but anyway, the movie flopped and he was never seen in bollywood again because no one(people from the North/South alike) liked his acting and his looks.
People know that Kamal Hasan is from TN because he goes around telling everyone that he is.
Hi HL,
Are you saying bald headed Vivek Oberoi is handsome looking

and Madhavan is not? You must be kidding. First watch the movie Alaipayuthae and then watch Saathya. You will know what I am talking about.
You must be ashamed of yourself for not knowing where Kamal Haasan is from. He is one of the very few versatile actors India ever has owned.
You are saying Mamooty is not handsome. Can you figure out how old he is, you cannot.
Lets forget about handsome actors. I bet you don't know about Bagya Raj.
Many of his tamil hits were remade into hindi movies and were hit as well. Antha yezhu naatkkal, Yenga Chinna Rasu and many more. Watch these movies and you will realize you have seen the same story in hindi, but you didn't know that its bagya Raj's movie. Bhagyaraj, the director, made a grand entry into Hindi films with "Aakhri Raasta", a remake of "Kaidhiyin Diary". And Amitabh Bachchan who did a dual role in the film, was in total awe of its director."Aakhri Raasta" was a dizzying success.
Don't be a "kinaththu thavaLai" ( Frog dwelling in a well).
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From: P_R
on 30th April 2005 04:25 PM
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Hi HL, long time no see

Seem to be in the thick of things as usual. Folks actually Hl is not alone.He's is reflecting a very widely held opinion up here that South movies is all about fat ugly heroes dressed outrageously prancing with young (imported) girls. This is an undeniable phase which I'm not sure we have passed completely. Even the great screenwriter Bagyaraj is extremely garish and clumsy in his sonmg sequences. Of course nothing very exclusive about this. That's been the case in Hindi too.Jeetendra's white shoes are legends by themselves.
Hindi films are bigger that does NOT mean better. I have seen several films that ppl talk a LOT about just to be disappointed. let us make a screenplay comparison. Don't take front of the line films.( For a Mahanadhi they have a Maqbool). But take a low key film like Guru-Paarvai . Pretty ordinary but a relatively taut screenplay. If it had been in Hindi it would have been promoted like anything and people would be all over it. There was nothing extraordinary about Dhoom (compare with Gilli) but it is already on several people's all-time list. 8)
Buddhadeb Dasgupta once interviewed Mani Ratnam
BD: After so many years we just hear of one Mani Ratnam and
Kamal Hassan from Tamil Cinema. Why ?
MR: If people haven't seen 'Udhiri Pookkal' and '16 Vayathinile' ,
are we to blame.
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From: HindustaniLadka
on 1st May 2005 09:41 AM
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Let me make things clear to everyone, i do not live in Northern India and I am not from Northern India.
Anyway, i just saw some Telugu movie called Gowri and it had better special effects and technological aspects than any Hindi films i had ever seen, but...the producer ruined the film by putting in a horrible storyline, hideous actors/actress(amazingly enough, they weren't fat), and by putting in terrible songs. Most regional films are like this, they have one good aspect, but then they kill it. I know there are many terrible Hindi films, but they are atleast taken well and they have good looking actors and actresses. My point is that regional films may have some great directors, actors, and music writers, but there is no point in taking a movie if you are only going to focus only on one aspect of it and ignore the other aspects of it. For example, the guy who made "Gowri" put in great special effects, but every other part of the movie sucked.
ALso, about how some people say talent from the south is ignored in bollywood. Notice how many talented people from the south like Ram Gopal Varma, Mani Ratnam, AR Rehman, Aishwarya Rai, Kamal Hasan, and many more are very well known and greatly respected in bollywood. I know there are more people from northern India in bollywood, but htat is only because northern states have much higher populations and many of the talented people from the south focus mainly on regional films instead of bollywood films.
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From: P_R
on 1st May 2005 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
HL
talented people from the south focus mainly on regional films instead of bollywood films
And why would that be a wrong ? Don't get me wrong it'd be lovely if Shyam Benegal did a Tamil film, but that's never going to happen. But nobody thinks that's his fault. On the other hand if a regional film-maker doesn't 'reach-out' than he's wasting his talent eh ?
People know that Kamal Hasan is from TN because he goes around telling everyone that he is.
So ......

Is it to be pushed under the carpet ?
Much as I love Kamal his Hindi sounds extremely affected and that's a major reason he isn't going to make it ever (though this is NOT the only reason). Maddy's Hindi was natural in 'Rehna Hai Tere Dil Main'. I like Maddy and hope his Hindi version of 'Nala Damayanthi' works.
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From: Girish11
on 2nd May 2005 11:37 PM
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Hi HL

Originally Posted by
HindustaniLadka
Let me make things clear to everyone, i do not live in Northern India and I am not from Northern India.
Anyway, i just saw some Telugu movie called Gowri and it had better special effects and technological aspects than any Hindi films i had ever seen, but...the producer ruined the film by putting in a horrible storyline, hideous actors/actress(amazingly enough, they weren't fat), and by putting in terrible songs. Most regional films are like this, they have one good aspect, but then they kill it. I know there are many terrible Hindi films, but they are atleast taken well and they have good looking actors and actresses. My point is that regional films may have some great directors, actors, and music writers, but there is no point in taking a movie if you are only going to focus only on one aspect of it and ignore the other aspects of it. For example, the guy who made "Gowri" put in great special effects, but every other part of the movie sucked.
ALso, about how some people say talent from the south is ignored in bollywood. Notice how many talented people from the south like Ram Gopal Varma, Mani Ratnam, AR Rehman, Aishwarya Rai, Kamal Hasan, and many more are very well known and greatly respected in bollywood. I know there are more people from northern India in bollywood, but htat is only because northern states have much higher populations and many of the talented people from the south focus mainly on regional films instead of bollywood films.
Hi HL,
Bollywood movies may be superior as you say or maybe not,
the only thing I would not agree to is that the person
giving comments on this topic should know about Hindi,
Tamil and Malayalam movies to be able to give an unbiased
opinion about this issue. You apparently dont know of
Tamil or Malayalam movies so it is better not to comment
on subject which you dont know about instead of giving
opinions without knowing any facts, that is all, would like to
end my discussion with you here and not go on about it
anymore.
Rgds.
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From: m_23_bayarea
on 3rd May 2005 02:38 AM
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I've been seeing both Hindi and Tamil movies all my life, and if you guys will believe me, this is my neutral opinion. Hindi movies are very colorful and carry more glitz than substance. But Tamil movies are very good contentwise. But since they have a smaller market, they can't spend more to make it look that glamorous...Does that make sense ??
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From: P_R
on 3rd May 2005 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
m_23_bayarea
I've been seeing both Hindi and Tamil movies all my life, and if you guys will believe me, this is my neutral opinion. Hindi movies are very colorful and carry more glitz than substance. But Tamil movies are very good contentwise. But since they have a smaller market, they can't spend more to make it look that glamorous...Does that make sense ??
Makes perfect sense. Got seduced by the ads and saw Kaal opening night.
I found 'Naalaya Manidhan' better in scariness terms. What the hell ! It ha all that Hindi cinema stood for and I was tempted to come here and vent spleen on the horseshit that sells in Hindi movies. But decided to remedy it the next day (and found company in a friend who was tottering and weak after seeing 'Lucky') and went for 'Hazaaron Kwaishein Aisi' . It was really really good. It's going to be long time before I see something like that in Tamil :sigh
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From: Cinefan
on 3rd May 2005 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
m_23_bayarea
I've been seeing both Hindi and Tamil movies all my life, and if you guys will believe me, this is my neutral opinion. Hindi movies are very colorful and carry more glitz than substance. But Tamil movies are very good contentwise. But since they have a smaller market, they can't spend more to make it look that glamorous...Does that make sense ??
Makes perfect sense. Got seduced by the ads and saw Kaal opening night.
I found 'Naalaya Manidhan' better in scariness terms. What the hell ! It ha all that Hindi cinema stood for and I was tempted to come here and vent spleen on the horseshit that sells in Hindi movies. But decided to remedy it the next day (and found company in a friend who was tottering and weak after seeing 'Lucky') and went for 'Hazaaron Kwaishein Aisi' . It was really really good. It's going to be long time before I see something like that in Tamil :sigh
Hazaroon is Sudhir Mishra's best.Yup,it will be some time before Tamil cinema comes up with something like that.Kannada&Malayalam which were doing briliant cinema before have degenerated.Tamil is mostly mainstream with some ppl trying to bring realism into that.Hindi mainstream is bad,parallel movement is dying but someone still comes up with something really good now&then.But the point is how many ppl know of or have seen Hazaroon.
BTW,have you seen Black,what's your opinion on it?
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From: alwarpet_andavan
on 3rd May 2005 06:36 PM
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My two cents' worth....
The worst of KW is worse than the worst of BW ....
but
The best of KW > the best of BW
P.S: I'm not going to waste my energy or bandwidth talking about HL. Let's purge him from our collective consciousness.
alwarpet_andavan
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From: nickraman
on 4th May 2005 04:36 AM
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Bottom line: Bolly owns, reason: No Kuthu, no adi-thadi films (well not many) and opposition to english titles.
Mumbai Xpress is a big hit in the North F.Y.I! It's head to head with Waqt! I 've seen it and enjoyed it!
Only worth movies in south is Shankar's movies and Vivek movies, nuff said...
BTW- Sadma was a mega-hit in the north as well as MP was...
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From: Roshan
on 4th May 2005 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
alwarpet_andavan
P.S: I'm not going to waste my energy or bandwidth talking about HL. Let's purge him from our collective consciousness.
Kudos to you !! You have rightly inferred !!
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From: alwarpet_andavan
on 4th May 2005 06:53 PM
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One important difference between BW and KW is the censorship in each industry. I beleive the censorship sucks big time down south. It smacks of hypocrisy, political and personal vendetta, though the last two can be found in Bollywood too.
At least the censors in BW are more or less consistent when it comes to censorship of sleaze. They are equally bad when it comes to censoring politically "sensitive" (mostly correct) content.
In KW, a scene showing a woman holding two laddoos next to her breasts is not considered vulgar enought o be censored. At the same time, a song (which is NOT an item song) is cut from the Tamil version of a certain movie because it shows two women dressed in the attire of trapeze artists, who are watched by everyone in real life including children.
I can go on with the examples but indha sabai naaridum

And incidentally, most of the time, the victim in KW has been (guess!!!) Kamal Haasan
alwarpet_andavan
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 4th May 2005 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
alwarpet_andavan
One important difference between BW and KW is the censorship in each industry. I beleive the censorship sucks big time down south. It smacks of hypocrisy, political and personal vendetta, though the last two can be found in Bollywood too.
At least the censors in BW are more or less consistent when it comes to censorship of sleaze. They are equally bad when it comes to censoring politically "sensitive" (mostly correct) content.
In KW, a scene showing a woman holding two laddoos next to her breasts is not considered vulgar enought o be censored. At the same time, a song (which is NOT an item song) is cut from the Tamil version of a certain movie because it shows two women dressed in the attire of trapeze artists, who are watched by everyone in real life including children.
I can go on with the examples but indha sabai naaridum

And incidentally, most of the time, the victim in KW has been (guess!!!) Kamal Haasan
alwarpet_andavan
It is good that Censor is very strict in Tamil...If they are going to loose the screw...Then Kollywood naaridum...Ippovey lot of double meaning,lot of exposure....If Censor is weak then it will become even worst.....No need it to be like Bollywood...everything should be under control...or else Tamil directors will become very happy to direct 100's and 100's of Girlfriend or Murder.......
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From: alwarpet_andavan
on 4th May 2005 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
Beckham
It is good that Censor is very strict in Tamil...If they are going to loose the screw...Then Kollywood naaridum...Ippovey lot of double meaning,lot of exposure....If Censor is weak then it will become even worst.....No need it to be like Bollywood...everything should be under control...or else Tamil directors will become very happy to direct 100's and 100's of Girlfriend or Murder.......
Becks,
I beg to differ. Remember the line "Gangai anaikku mannil anaya...."? Repression will do no good, is my view.
My point is that double-entendre exists BECAUSE of archaic censor laws and not inspite of it. It is because our censors don't allow a kissing scene which is no big deal (or not vulgar), that all these laddoos, half-boils, bambarams are finding their way into our cinema.
You can even see statistically that crme against women in Mumbai and Bangalore are less compared to Chennai or any other place (villages are the worst) which is supposed to be "conservative". In Mumbai it's OK for a man and woman to sit next to each other in a bus. You can quote incidents of rapes but those will exist anyway.
One good way of censoring is to follow the HW system of classification (PG, R, etc) rather than deletion of scenes, dialogues etc.
OK, i've digressed enough. We can take this up as a different topic in itself, if this needs to be discussed/debated any further
alwarpet_andavan
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From: sivaram ram
on 4th May 2005 07:37 PM
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ARE QUALITY TAMIL MOVIES APPREACIATED
well talking abt quality,
HEY RAM,
KANNATTHIL MUTTHAMITTAL,
AALAVANDHAAN,
ANBE SIVAM
THE ABOVE STATED ARE SOME OF bunch of quality Tamil movies.
Well comapre the above movies witrh the bollywoods" definitly an underdog.
But be frank, were those above stated movies a "SUCCESS"
THEY WERE FAILURES.
In the eyes of foreign views, they are definite success, but not but the buch of clown of India, coz such quality movies , they don"t know how to appreaciate them.
The would rather prefer movies like Vijayakanths" showing an anti gravitational move. Some stupid fight scenes, with an unmeaningful duet.
Ask any Tamil movie watcher from India, whther he/she prefers Kannathil Muthamittal or Narasimma.
well the choice would b Narasimma.
Coz They Love Nonsense
To b perfect "absolute nonsense"
Tamil film industry has the best actor, it has the best director, it has the best Music Director, even the choreographer,
But the viewers in that country are total knuckleheads
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 4th May 2005 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
alwarpet_andavan

Originally Posted by
Beckham
It is good that Censor is very strict in Tamil...If they are going to loose the screw...Then Kollywood naaridum...Ippovey lot of double meaning,lot of exposure....If Censor is weak then it will become even worst.....No need it to be like Bollywood...everything should be under control...or else Tamil directors will become very happy to direct 100's and 100's of Girlfriend or Murder.......
Becks,
I beg to differ. Remember the line "Gangai anaikku mannil anaya...."? Repression will do no good, is my view.
My point is that double-entendre exists BECAUSE of archaic censor laws and not inspite of it. It is because our censors don't allow a kissing scene which is no big deal (or not vulgar), that all these laddoos, half-boils, bambarams are finding their way into our cinema.
You can even see statistically that crme against women in Mumbai and Bangalore are less compared to Chennai or any other place (villages are the worst) which is supposed to be "conservative". In Mumbai it's OK for a man and woman to sit next to each other in a bus. You can quote incidents of rapes but those will exist anyway.
One good way of censoring is to follow the HW system of classification (PG, R, etc) rather than deletion of scenes, dialogues etc.
OK, i've digressed enough. We can take this up as a different topic in itself, if this needs to be discussed/debated any further
alwarpet_andavan
Hi Pal,
You are right...but If Kissing scene is allowed then all the other vulgar things will follow in future tamil cinema...I have all lot of points to discuss abt this rape ratio so and so...but this is not the correct thread...Meet u soon in a different thread
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From: alwarpet_andavan
on 4th May 2005 08:35 PM
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Becks,
Kandippaga viraivil indha thalaippu saarndha noolil sandhippom
alwarpet_andavan
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From: selvakumar
on 24th March 2006 05:59 PM
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Revived in Style.
Kollywood
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From: swatflies02
on 15th January 2009 12:56 PM
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first things first: the terms bollywood n hollywood sound so shallow as they're obviously copies of the term hollywood.i prefer hindi n tamil film industries but i guess in these circumstances since that is not wat we're discussing, i'll go with the 'wood' thing.
it hard hard to compare the 2 industries wen both hav their own share of pros and cons. only thing, with hindi films having a bigger budget and being marketed to a larger audience,it is seen as the better field simply because it is the more glamorous and dominating one. thanks to the recent golden globe winning slumdog millionaire, the west has opened its yes to the indian cinefield, but only to the hindi industry.the regional industries are ignored. and it is really isn't their fault-who lead them to believe that?u only hav to look at award ceremonies such as the so called IIFA awards, which despite being termed as an INDIAN award ceremony, is only presented to hindi artistes.and of course wen these ceremonies are held internationally only these artistes will be in the global spotlight-the majority if the indian cinefield are ignored.
i dont think it is fair to compare the 2 fields wen hindi movies pretty much dominate all other regional movies.quality or not, they are always seen as being better simply because they are marketed to a larger audience, who are blissfully unaware of wat kinda quality movies they are missing out on in other regional languages.
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From: Thirumaran
on 15th January 2009 12:58 PM
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yaaruppa ithu 30 maasam pinnoaki poanathu
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From: Anban
on 19th January 2009 01:30 AM
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bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped
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From: crajkumar_be
on 19th January 2009 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

Karthi
Name one bollywood film you have watched in the last 5 years

And yeah, like Godfather is all hype, eh :P
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From: ajaybaskar
on 19th January 2009 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

Then the same applies to kollywood too... Two films that have less than ordinary songs have been termed as class. Hype helps for an opening...not in sustaining...Its the quality that matters..
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From: Nerd
on 19th January 2009 09:02 PM
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ivLO pazhaya thread-A idhu..
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From: Ramakrishna
on 19th January 2009 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Anban
bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

Karthi
Name one bollywood film you have watched in the last 5 years 
Che Che..Athellaam paakkamaattaar. Avar ellaam paakkaama thaan comment pannuvaar.
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 19th January 2009 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar

Originally Posted by
Anban
bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

Then the same applies to kollywood too... Two films that have less than ordinary songs have been termed as class. Hype helps for an opening...not in sustaining...Its the quality that matters..
Ettikku pOtti-nu pEsatheenga! You serious?
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Anban
bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

Karthi
Name one bollywood film you have watched in the last 5 years

And yeah, like Godfather is all hype, eh :P
wednesday,
swades,
appaharan..
these movies were almost neglected .. without hype and marketing, a movie like "a wednesday" wudnt have been noticed ..
hype shud come from the audience like in the case of Godfather..
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar

Originally Posted by
Anban
bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

Then the same applies to kollywood too... Two films that have less than ordinary songs have been termed as class. Hype helps for an opening...not in sustaining...Its the quality that matters..
well , thats an opinion of a group whom often mistake catchy songs for classy songs..
athellaam serious-a naan eduthukka maatten..
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 01:59 AM
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all hit movies in bollywood wud have become utter flops without the hype and marketing..
take the case of Sivaji and Dasa, little was known abt these movies before their audio release.. but still there was huge hype from the audience.. athu maathiri entha bollywood movie-kku irunthurukku??
can the bollywood audience accept a character who has unkept looks??
konjam color medium-aa irukkura heroine irunthaa theatre-la security kooda irukka maattaan...
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From: A_Ajith
on 20th January 2009 02:04 AM
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Godfather? You guys mean VARALARU
Godfather nu hindila padam vandicha?
Indeed for VARALARU hype was from Audience and NIL from MEDIA that made it a real collection blockbuster :P
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From: MADDY
on 20th January 2009 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
konjam color medium-aa irukkura heroine irunthaa theatre-la security kooda irukka maattaan...
the most sought after heroine of 90's and 00's is Kajol who is not fair.......Rani Mukherjee is not fair and ruled bollywood for quite a bit of time.....Neha dupia, by no stretch of imgination is fair.......koena mitra, rakhee sawant indha madhiri pala heroine-gal irukkanga.........
can the bollywood audience accept a character who has unkept looks??
Unkept faces dhaan reality-aa??? u and me are not realities?? characters like u and me dont have a story to tell ??? adhennappa vettiyan, auto drivers, rowdies-kku mattum dhaan sogam, sandhosam ellam irukka
take the case of Sivaji and Dasa, little was known abt these movies before their audio release.. but still there was huge hype from the audience.. athu maathiri entha bollywood movie-kku irunthurukku??
do u know that a movie called Ghajini(Hindi) released?? the hype that Ghajini generated was 10 times that of a Rajinikanth movie....
Anban, dont embarass urself with ur ignorance on Bollywood......

Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
Ettikku pOtti-nu pEsatheenga! You serious?
avaru sonnadhula enna thappu irukku?? even i felt both those albums were below average......idhula enna yetti-kku potti irukku??? u said Yuvvraaj was ordinary, JTYJN was ordinary - did we say it was ettikku potti?? edho neenga sonna adhu opinion, naanga sonna adhu vidhandavaadham.......my foot
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From: P_R
on 20th January 2009 02:34 AM
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MADDY, adhu enna ippidi oru sig ?
Values n'gradhu enna nA (read like Kaadhal 'ngradhu enna nA)
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Anban
konjam color medium-aa irukkura heroine irunthaa theatre-la security kooda irukka maattaan...
the most sought after heroine of 90's and 00's is Kajol who is not fair.......Rani Mukherjee is not fair and ruled bollywood for quite a bit of time.....Neha dupia, by no stretch of imgination is fair.......koena mitra, rakhee sawant indha madhiri pala heroine-gal irukkanga.........
can the bollywood audience accept a character who has unkept looks??
Unkept faces dhaan reality-aa??? u and me are not realities?? characters like u and me dont have a story to tell ??? adhennappa vettiyan, auto drivers, rowdies-kku mattum dhaan sogam, sandhosam ellam irukka
take the case of Sivaji and Dasa, little was known abt these movies before their audio release.. but still there was huge hype from the audience.. athu maathiri entha bollywood movie-kku irunthurukku??
do u know that a movie called Ghajini(Hindi) released?? the hype that Ghajini generated was 10 times that of a Rajinikanth movie....
Anban, dont embarass urself with ur ignorance on Bollywood......

Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
Ettikku pOtti-nu pEsatheenga! You serious?
avaru sonnadhula enna thappu irukku?? even i felt both those albums were below average......idhula enna yetti-kku potti irukku??? u said Yuvvraaj was ordinary, JTYJN was ordinary - did we say it was ettikku potti?? edho neenga sonna adhu opinion, naanga sonna adhu vidhandavaadham.......my foot
Kajol and Rani was fair to an extent..
bollywood also has some realistic characters. but they are one-dimensional in this regard..
gajini-kku promo eppadi?? tata sky-a open pannaale, aamir khan exercise panraan.. he is exercising in all news channels too

he even gave an interview to VIJAY tv..
i am not ignorant of bollywood.. u ppl are just choosing to ignore their darker side.. please see from a neutral POV
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From: MADDY
on 20th January 2009 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
MADDY, adhu enna ippidi oru sig ?
Values n'gradhu enna nA (read like Kaadhal 'ngradhu enna nA)
nalla vela, neenga saroja-la vara madhiri "yaaru saar andha figure" nnu ketpeenga-nnu nenachhan.....

......
neenga values pathhi pesittu irukeenga, naa inga vaazhkai-a pathhi pesittu irukken :P
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 02:52 AM
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From: ajaybaskar
on 20th January 2009 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA

Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar

Originally Posted by
Anban
bollywood is all hype ..
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

Then the same applies to kollywood too... Two films that have less than ordinary songs have been termed as class. Hype helps for an opening...not in sustaining...Its the quality that matters..
Ettikku pOtti-nu pEsatheenga! You serious?

Nothing like ettikku poatti here,VR. I didnt find anything spl with those two films... IR is never near his best these days.. There is a group of ppl which says whatever IR composes is music and thats the standard/bench mark.. I remember IR saying this himself too...I have a difference of opinion here.. I find better output from some other MD, whom u know very well..
I find Masakkali as classic and Elile as crap.. thats my opinion and obviously it differs with ppl..
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From: Nerd
on 20th January 2009 11:43 AM
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Ajay,
Did IR fans create such a ruckus when UO/Dhanam released last year? Even the IR section hubbers were restrained and Tamil Films hubbers did not even care for those albums. Now we feel NK/NL are two of IR's finests post 2000. IR fans-gaLukkE ippollAm eppayaavadhu dhAn deepavali varudhu, adhuvum poRukkalayaa?
P.S. Elile is not by IR.
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From: complicateur
on 20th January 2009 11:47 AM
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May not be relevant here but UO was IMO a great album. yArukkumE pidikkalayA? VA was the more consistent album but I really enjoyed almost all the songs, apart from azhagi vaRRA.
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From: ajaybaskar
on 20th January 2009 11:47 AM
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Nerd,
Even I have huge respect for IR.. Afterall, Avaroda music kettu valandhavanga thaana naamellam.. But i dont agree with his music being termed as a bench mark,prasadam,etc,etc.. Thats all...
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
May not be relevant here but UO was IMO a great album. yArukkumE pidikkalayA? VA was the more consistent album but I really enjoyed almost all the songs, apart from azhagi vaRRA.
I second it
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From: MADDY
on 20th January 2009 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
I find Masakkali as classic and Elile as crap.. thats my opinion and obviously it differs with ppl..

appadi podunga thalaivare

there is a religious hysteria attached to IR fanatism here......he is only secondary to us and for us IR works wait for our masters works - get that right and yes WE LIVE IN TAMILNADU :P
Nerd, if u look at history of posts here - it means like - u criticise a ARR album, its opinion but if u criticise a IR album it is "ettikku potti" .......not liking IR is looked upon as something unnatural, unethical, un-musical(or watever it is) .......
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 11:54 AM
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btw, thread title says Kollywood VS Bollywood
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From: complicateur
on 20th January 2009 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
complicateur
May not be relevant here but UO was IMO a great album. yArukkumE pidikkalayA? VA was the more consistent album but I really enjoyed almost all the songs, apart from azhagi vaRRA.
I second it

NanRi hai. nEnku kAthu kOLArO-nu bayam vathuduththu! Of course it is not contemporary at all... Anyway the one-upmanship seems to be beginning and I shall withdraw
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From: MADDY
on 20th January 2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
Anyway the one-upmanship seems to be beginning and I shall withdraw
ayya, konjam root cause for all these posts-um paathuttu ponga
in page4 -

Originally Posted by
Anban
an ordinary song like Masakalli is being hyped

i'm getting several warnings from MODs for being too aggressive and almost on verge of getting banned - but nobody seems to analyse "why".....provocation thala virichhi aaduddhu, but reaction-a mattum kurai solraanga........
thalabadhi 'surya' - engala ellam pudikkadhu-la sir ungalakku
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From: complicateur
on 20th January 2009 12:17 PM
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MADDY - Illa I saw Anban's post and nearly responded to it but my response might have further escalated the argument, so I didnt. I personally enjoy MasakkaLi quite a bit. (In fact drove a couple of extra blocks to get home just so that I could finish listening to the song).
One thing I would like to point out is the violin piece that comes before the singing begins. It is very rAjA-esque. Dont let the blood rush to your head, not saying it is copied, just saying it sounds a lot like an orchestral technique rAjA in his prime would have used. To diss Masakkali is to diss rAjA himself in some ways.
But to label two excellent albums as pedestrian just to make your point is, to me, counter-productive. Just escalates the argument without an end in sight. right-A?
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From: ajaybaskar
on 20th January 2009 12:21 PM
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Compli, I think thats an accordion and not a violin.. Correct me if i am wrong...
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
But to discredit two label two excellent albums as pedestrian just to make your point is to me counter-productive. Just escalates the argument without an end in sight. right-A?

dig// indha engli-fish elaam thaana var'radhudhaanaa ?
appadiyE enakkum indha engli-fish'a kaththukudukkureengalaa ? //end
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
One thing I would like to point out is the violin piece that comes before the singing begins. It is very rAjA-esque. Dont let the blood rush to your head, not saying it is copied, just saying it sounds a lot like an orchestral technique rAjA in his prime would have used. To diss Masakkali is to diss rAjA himself in some ways.
I loved that piece (kurumbu-ish actually

) but i think its more "Disco" than Raaja. What one would have heard on an 80s Boney M track....
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
Compli, I think thats an accordion and not a violin.. Correct me if i am wrong...
Violin, just before Mohit goes "Masakali"
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From: ajaybaskar
on 20th January 2009 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
complicateur
One thing I would like to point out is the violin piece that comes before the singing begins. It is very rAjA-esque. Dont let the blood rush to your head, not saying it is copied, just saying it sounds a lot like an orchestral technique rAjA in his prime would have used. To diss Masakkali is to diss rAjA himself in some ways.
I loved that piece (kurumbu-ish actually

) but i think its more "Disco" than Raaja. What one would have heard on an 80s Boney M track....
Even the first interlude sounds "Kurumbuish(???)"
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 12:28 PM
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Anban,
When i am abused with the nauseating hype for movies like Padikkadhavan and Villu (sorry Vijay fans, im sure you will agree), etc day in and day out, left, right, center and top, there's nothing wrong in Aamir Khan excercising in every channel you see, (except that i get angry and insecure about matters relating to my family pack).
If your problem is hype, there's a lot of linen to clean in our house before we look northwards
Even with hype, they are miles ahead when it comes to quality (with or without hype) and just because you have Yash, Johar and other "nonsense" fellows it doesn't mean we continue to live in denial about the other well deserving half(?) who are moving much ahead.
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From: complicateur
on 20th January 2009 12:28 PM
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Sarna: That sentence actually started one way and ended another way, must go back and edit it.

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
I loved that piece (kurumbu-ish actually

) but i think its more "Disco" than Raaja. What one would have heard on an 80s Boney M track....
True, but my exposure to Boney M is minimal. I felt the placement in the song and the way it cut right before the singing was very "playfully" reminiscent of rAjA.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
Even the first interlude sounds "Kurumbuish(???)"
ajay,
I'm not sure how you mean this question.
For me, forget the interlude, prelude etc, the whole song is a fantastic ride. Like i said elsewhere before, Rahman has gone beserk!
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From: ajaybaskar
on 20th January 2009 12:32 PM
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bala,
the first interlude was too good for me.. Of course the song is fine... But that First interlude caught me from the very first hearing..
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
Sarna: That sentence actually started one way and ended another way, must go back and edit it.
dig// seriously , before editing'um puriyala

after editing'um puriyala

//
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
I find Masakkali as classic and Elile as crap.. thats my opinion and obviously it differs with ppl..

appadi podunga thalaivare

there is a religious hysteria attached to IR fanatism here......he is only secondary to us and for us IR works wait for our masters works - get that right and yes WE LIVE IN TAMILNADU :P
Nerd, if u look at history of posts here - it means like - u criticise a ARR album, its opinion but if u criticise a IR album it is "ettikku potti" .......not liking IR is looked upon as something unnatural, unethical, un-musical(or watever it is) .......
I agree that thambi Karthi kolithi pottufied here but don't agree with the "IR fans are fanatics and we are not" bit.
Sample any IR thread and you find a lot of criticism happening there, mostly constructive (and a lot of living in denial too

). Aana Rahman threads la not only does no Rahman fan criticize, but anyone who says something like "idhula enna perusa irukku?" is asking for trouble.
Adhavadhu, ulugam onnu nu solla varen
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From: MADDY
on 20th January 2009 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
I agree that thambi Karthi kolithi pottufied here but don't agree with the "IR fans are fanatics and we are not" bit.
Sample any IR thread and you find a lot of criticism happening there, mostly constructive (and a lot of living in denial too

). Aana Rahman threads la not only does no Rahman fan criticize, but anyone who says something like "idhula enna perusa irukku?" is asking for trouble.
Adhavadhu, ulugam onnu nu solla varen

CR, i never said we are not fanatics........but look who starts troubles??? who calls ARR by names?? have u seen me or any ARR fan calling IR with names? who comes into ARR sections and posts rubbish??? who posts abt ARR album review in IR section??? who bashes ARR just to push some pages in IR section???
Yuvvraaj and Ghajini were criticised in ARR section too..........last ARR album i criticised was Guru - not a patch on previous ARR-Mani combos........naanga enga velaya paathuttu porom, aana engala summa irukka vida maattengranga.........people actually expect ARR fans also to be like ARR - edhu sonnalum summa okkandhittu irukkanum
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 01:25 PM
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ada intha thread kkum vaazhvu vanthiruchu
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From: ajaybaskar
on 20th January 2009 01:29 PM
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From: Wibha
on 20th January 2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
Kajol and Rani was fair to an extent..
Kajol is NOT FAIR!!!! see movies like ISHQ and few others where her natural color is evident.

and even at that time she ruled bollywood!
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Anban
Kajol and Rani was fair to an extent..
Kajol is NOT FAIR!!!! see movies like ISHQ and few others where her natural color is evident.

and even at that time she ruled bollywood!
yeah.. Karan Ajun and baazigar were the clear example for her skin color. But Kajol is an excpetion regarding fair complexion in bollywood and added to that Kajol i think is a daughter of some bollywood personality

So it became easy for her entry

On the actors side Ajay Devgan..

Actually no one is ready to innovate with Story with not so good looks

Even in Thamizh, before Rajini's entry maximum were fair skinned / good looking. Same like todays bollywood.
I agree on Anban's view on promotion. Without such huge promotions and hypes many bollywood hits would have gone flop
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From: groucho070
on 20th January 2009 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
I agree that thambi Karthi kolithi pottufied here but don't agree with the "IR fans are fanatics and we are not" bit.
Eppadi ellam, language-a mix pannurenggappa!
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
Unkept faces dhaan reality-aa??? u and me are not realities?? characters like u and me dont have a story to tell ??? adhennappa vettiyan, auto drivers, rowdies-kku mattum dhaan sogam, sandhosam ellam irukka
anban apdi sollave illaye!..but noone have shown thatnu thana he is telling
i always have a opinion that hindi film industry is showcasing only the life of the upper and upper middle class with some exceptions.
regarding vettiyan,auto drivers etc...when bala took a movie on vettiyan..there is goutham menon to make o movie on upper middle class.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 20th January 2009 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
MADDY
Unkept faces dhaan reality-aa??? u and me are not realities?? characters like u and me dont have a story to tell ??? adhennappa vettiyan, auto drivers, rowdies-kku mattum dhaan sogam, sandhosam ellam irukka
i always have a opinion that hindi film industry is showcasing only the life of the upper and upper middle class with some exceptions.
regarding vettiyan,auto drivers etc...when bala took a movie on vettiyan..there is goutham menon to make o movie on upper middle class.
Very good point, Viv!!
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 04:54 PM
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Sharukhs interviews to hype rab ne bada jodi is ridiculously funny
"actually im a bit boring like suri" apdinu nooruhadava sollirupan.
he kissed the heroine romantically in a promo interview telling something in hindi...and her reaction to that ... shabaaaaaaa
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 20th January 2009 04:58 PM
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I don't remember a village based subject in the recent times [Forget Lagaan and Devar Magan remake]. As Bala bro says, North Indies-la village-y kedayAdhA?
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
I don't remember a village based subject in the recent times [Forget Lagaan and Devar Magan remake]. As Bala bro says, North Indies-la village-y kedayAdhA?
Evan the music i feel is completely metropolitan(Now dont ask me if there is any music called metropolitan).
kiya muya kiya muyanu ore satham!...everything looks one dimentional.
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
I don't remember a village based subject in the recent times [Forget Lagaan and Devar Magan remake]. As Bala bro says, North Indies-la village-y kedayAdhA?

enakkum paartha nyabagam illa, except Viraasat

Naan mothamaa paartha hindi movies oru 20 thaan irukkumgrathu vaera vishayam

However i dont think considerable amount of movies on normal people or unseen charactes in bollywood. As Farmer said in tamil we have directors to take movies from all sets of people for sure :P Let us see what bolly movie lovers or more knowledge of bolly movies have to say
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
I don't remember a village based subject in the recent times [Forget Lagaan and Devar Magan remake]. As Bala bro says, North Indies-la village-y kedayAdhA?
Evan the music i feel is completely metropolitan(Now dont ask me if there is any music called metropolitan).
kiya muya kiya muyanu ore satham!...
everything looks one dimentional.
even dressing also, hero'vukkum heroine'kum pinnaala koranja patcham 20 ponnungalaavudhu _________________
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 20th January 2009 05:13 PM
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sarna,
Dressing-la Kollywood, Tollywood, Bollywood ellAm onnu thaan. Enna culture-kudi thAngigal TN-la adhigam, so namma directors ellAm konjam pammifying.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 20th January 2009 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
I don't remember a village based subject in the recent times [Forget Lagaan and Devar Magan remake]. As Bala bro says, North Indies-la village-y kedayAdhA?
Evan the music i feel is completely metropolitan(Now dont ask me if there is any music called metropolitan).
kiya muya kiya muyanu ore satham!...everything looks one dimentional.
ARR is an exception, he is bliss!
But I have a question here...namma MD's kooda thaan Kuthu Kuthu-nu KuthurAnga, except few.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:19 PM
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Adhula paarunga.....
The only area where TFI is ahead is in music and even that is under serious threat now. Amit Trivedi is the best thing to have happened after A.R Rahman.
adha thavira Rahman, SEL, Vishal Bharathwaj, Sandeep Chowta nu irukkaanga. (Pritam and Nam naattin ve.. chi sothu Himes Bhai >> Sreekanth Deva, Dina etc)
Matra ellathulayum (almost) nammalava avaa kitta bikshai vaanganum!
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:24 PM
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ss,
just take yuvan....paruthiveeran,saroja,billa and katradhu tamizh...u can see the differnce there.
may be the reason was the scope for the music directors in the filmdom...may be if different directors like bala,vishnu vardhan,ameer,venkat prabhu are there...the music directors would have got a chance.
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 05:24 PM
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idha thaan innoru thread la kettein, ofcourse in a +ve way, indha B/C centre laam bollywood la ledhaa nu

what kinda movies do they see?
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:26 PM
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cr,
nammoorlayum than ir,arr,yuvan,harris,vidyasagarnu irukanga..
even new comers in vennila kabadi kuzhu,kulir 100 are doing wonderful job.[/u]
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 05:28 PM
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Money is the ONLY reason for Kollywood's Highly Talented Technicians to do Hindhi movies :P adhE nEraththula avangalE Kollywood is the Best'nu manasatchi'yOda solraanga
tamil cinema rasigargalOda rasanayE vichithramaanadhu.
1. Thirupachi, Gilli, Chandhramukhi maadhiri padangalayum hit'aakkuvaanga.
2. Azhagi, Autograph, Kaadhal maadhiri padangalayum hit'aakkuvaanga..
3. Sivaji, Billa maadhiri padangalayum hit'aakkuvaanga.
4. Paruthiveeran, Pithamagan, Subramanyapuram maadhiri padangalayum hit'aakkuvaanga.
5. Chennai28, Saroja maadhiri padangalayum hit aakkuvaanga
6. KK, VV, VA maadhiri padangalayum hit aakkuvaanga
7. Kadhal KondEn, 7G maadhiri padangalayum hitaakkuvaanga.
8. Dasa maadhiri High-class-technical-quality'yOda var'ra padaththayum Varalaaru kaanaadha alavukku vetri adaya vachchirukkaanga .
eththana variety
I dont think, any other wood other than kollywood has high success rate with so much variety
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:29 PM
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rerecording in anjadhe by sundar c babu is top class - it was like ilayarajas RR
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From: joe
on 20th January 2009 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
culture-kudi thAngigal.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit
idha thaan innoru thread la kettein, ofcourse in a +ve way, indha B/C centre laam bollywood la ledhaa nu

what kinda movies do they see?

The multiplex cover means movies made for niche audiences can be profitable. dhairiyama padangal edukkalaam. They have safety in numbers.
Charukkaa(n), & co padangal ellam ella centerlayum odum, podhuva (Swades was better received in the South than in the north, adhu vera vishayam). DCH was not such a mass hit but still got to be extremely profitable. And their makkal are not excessively fussy about "B/C" la odutha, illiya kind of arguments and undue weightage given to B/C? Who cares as long as you rake in profits and the film reaches the target audience, considering its budget etc
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
1. Thirupachi, Gilli, Chandhramukhi maadhiri padangalayum hit'aakkuvaanga.
Gilli should not be with other 2. Gilli is a very good and to some extent quality entertainer :P
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
sarna,
Dressing-la Kollywood, Tollywood, Bollywood ellAm onnu thaan. Enna culture-kudi thAngigal TN-la adhigam, so namma directors ellAm konjam pammifying.
Hollywood 100% open
Bollywood 95* open
Tollywood 50 to 90% open
Kollywood 0% to 75% open
puriyudhungalaa

:P
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:33 PM
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sarna,
Technicians inga superior-a irundhaanga, othukkaren. Aana andha kaalamellam malayeripoyachu. Though Ravi KC, SS are still working there, technically avinga nammala vida koranjavinga illa...
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From: joe
on 20th January 2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
And their makkal are not excessively fussy about "B/C" la odutha, illiya kind of arguments and undue weightage given to B/C? Who cares as long as you rake in profits
I think so.
Btw,I assume Andra and TN are the 2 states has cinema halls in village panjayaths and it is rare in northen states.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:35 PM
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idhayellathayum vida, their censor board is FAR better than our censor baads
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 20th January 2009 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
idhayellathayum vida, their censor board is FAR better than our censor baads

Sun TV-ku thaniya oru censor board irruku theriyumO?
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
And their makkal are not excessively fussy about "B/C" la odutha, illiya kind of arguments and undue weightage given to B/C? Who cares as long as you rake in profits
I think so.
Btw,I assume Andra and TN are the 2 states has cinema halls in village panjayaths and it is rare in northen states.
ktv closed most of those theatres in village panchayats.
situations in smaller towns are made worse by thirutu vcd...
its the multiplex which makes the film industry look good
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
idhayellathayum vida, their censor board is FAR better than our censor baads

koduthu vachchavanga .. hmmm
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
I think so.
Btw,I assume Andra and TN are the 2 states has cinema halls in village panjayaths and it is rare in northen states.
True
BTW, hope nobody misunderstands what i said regarding B/C audience. naan solla vandhadhu idhu dhaan: At the end of the day, if the movie makes profits for producers/distributors, thats the bottom line. ella center-layum nalla odichunna well and good, bonus. aana in TN, we dont acknowledge that some films may be targeted at an urban audience just like some that are primarily for B/C.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
idhayellathayum vida, their censor board is FAR better than our censor baads

koduthu vachchavanga .. hmmm

mozhi prachanaye illadha vishayam..indhila edutha enna...malayalathula edutha enna,germanla edutha enna
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 20th January 2009 05:39 PM
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Once I was watching "Oh Baby" song from YNM in sun tv. Ragasiya [thane adhu?] kadasila hip movement kodupAnga thAne, they have masked her navel! pAkave rOmba bayama irrundhadhu!!!
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From: joe
on 20th January 2009 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
And their makkal are not excessively fussy about "B/C" la odutha, illiya kind of arguments and undue weightage given to B/C? Who cares as long as you rake in profits
I think so.
Btw,I assume Andra and TN are the 2 states has cinema halls in village panjayaths and it is rare in northen states.
ktv closed most of those theatres in village panchayats.
situations in smaller towns are made worse by thirutu vcd...
its the multiplex which makes the film industry look good
True
I was talking about pre multiplex ,VCD era.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:41 PM
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pre multiplex,vcd era..yes.i used to watch movies in the village panchayat theatres...mostly MGR,Ramarajan,Vijayakanth movies.
now that theatre was closed.
in smaller towns many theatres are turning into marriage halls.
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
joe
I think so.
Btw,I assume Andra and TN are the 2 states has cinema halls in village panjayaths and it is rare in northen states.
True
BTW, hope nobody misunderstands what i said regarding B/C audience. naan solla vandhadhu idhu dhaan: At the end of the day, if the movie makes profits for producers/distributors, thats the bottom line. ella center-layum nalla odichunna well and good, bonus. aana in TN, we dont acknowledge that some films may be targeted at an urban audience just like some that are primarily for B/C.
yeah.. B and C audience target panroamgra paerla punch dialogue, kuththu paattu, etc, etc... ellaam specificaa panrathu inga thaan

Janangaloada rasanai paththi ivangalaa oru mudivu pannikittu, oru kuripitta level kku maela avanagala valara vida koodaathunnu pidivaatham pidikiroam
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From: joe
on 20th January 2009 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
joe
I think so.
Btw,I assume Andra and TN are the 2 states has cinema halls in village panjayaths and it is rare in northen states.
True
BTW, hope nobody misunderstands what i said regarding B/C audience. naan solla vandhadhu idhu dhaan: At the end of the day, if the movie makes profits for producers/distributors, thats the bottom line. ella center-layum nalla odichunna well and good, bonus. aana in TN, we dont acknowledge that some films may be targeted at an urban audience just like some that are primarily for B/C.
Yes,Atleast i didn't miunderstand
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:43 PM
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Anga soft porn category-la neraya B grade padangal varum (lot of them apparently looking like mainstream films). In fact, at a time, ore story-a vechu pala padangal vandhuchu (wife commits adultery, yielding to temptation, repents in the end, with the other man turning out to be a baddie) - Murder, Tum, Hawas, etc etc...
Actually this is better than double entendre (however funny we find them to be is a diff matter

), vulgar dance movements etc making their way into mainstream films like it happens here.
adhAvadhu, mutha kaatchigalai thappu nu sollittu, adhai vida un-natural-avum, asingama irukkara vishayangalayum vittu vaikkura censor board namadhu censor baad
And our type of censorship severely curbs an artists freedom (not talking about B grade sensibilities or titillation here) whereas there, the censorship one sees is more of a political one and of course related to nudity etc
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Anga soft porn category-la neraya B grade padangal varum (lot of them apparently looking like mainstream films). In fact, at a time, ore story-a vechu pala padangal vandhuchu (wife commits adultery, yielding to temptation, repents in the end, with the other man turning out to be a baddie) - Murder, Tum, Hawas, etc etc...
thamizh cinema kandippa munneranum!...indhi engeyo irukanga pola
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 05:46 PM
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I personally feel, esp regarding hindi, the taste of the crowd doesn't vary much and cannot be differentiated as B or C or A. Broadly ppl prefer similar stuffs.
In ours, B and C likings are different from that of A.
(broadly) So people make all kinda good and bad stuffs here.
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 05:49 PM
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However there is mithun chakravorthy who makes movies only for the B and C Centre or so and i heards they does reasonably well in those areas.. His movies majority were remakes of Tamil movie B and C centres kind of movies only
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 05:50 PM
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adhu unga youth time la :P
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
sarna,
Technicians inga superior-a irundhaanga, othukkaren. Aana andha kaalamellam malayeripoyachu. Though Ravi KC, SS are still working there, technically avinga nammala vida koranjavinga illa...
I agree
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Anga soft porn category-la neraya B grade padangal varum (lot of them apparently looking like mainstream films). In fact, at a time, ore story-a vechu pala padangal vandhuchu (wife commits adultery, yielding to temptation, repents in the end, with the other man turning out to be a baddie) - Murder, Tum, Hawas, etc etc...
thamizh cinema kandippa munneranum!...indhi engeyo irukanga pola
Viv,
The point is, i personally i am against most kinds of censorship (that the aforementioned films are crap is a diff issue). What is inexplicable is the obscene double standards followed by not only our censors but the acceptance of unnatural vulgarities by our makkal and hypocritical rejection of things like kissing etc..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 05:51 PM
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Also thiru,
Hindi is widely spoken not as mother tongue but as a common language by many. Most have diff mother tongues (with probably b/c type movies too ) like guj, punjabi, rajasthani, bengali marathi stuffs.
Hindi is a common movie catering to one and all.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 20th January 2009 05:52 PM
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CR,
Your view on Viv's point? Mostly movies based Upper Middle class??
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
idhayellathayum vida, their censor board is FAR better than our censor baads

Sun TV-ku thaniya oru censor board irruku theriyumO?

unmayaavaa

family censor board'aa
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Anga soft porn category-la neraya B grade padangal varum (lot of them apparently looking like mainstream films). In fact, at a time, ore story-a vechu pala padangal vandhuchu (wife commits adultery, yielding to temptation, repents in the end, with the other man turning out to be a baddie) - Murder, Tum, Hawas, etc etc...
thamizh cinema kandippa munneranum!...indhi engeyo irukanga pola
Viv,
The point is, i personally i am against most kinds of censorship (that the aforementioned films are crap is a diff issue). What is inexplicable is the obscene double standards followed by not only our censors but the acceptance of unnatural vulgarities by our makkal and hypocritical rejection of things like kissing etc..
hey...that was just a funny comment.
Our censor board is the worst one..they would give A certificate for kissing scenes between husband and wife but give U/A for a movie with a scene a schoolboy sights his teacher,lots of girls dancing "THE " movements with tribal costumes etc.
adhenna U/A- kudumbathoda paakura A padama...!
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Also thiru,
Hindi is widely spoken not as mother tongue but as a common language by many. Most have diff mother tongues (with probably b/c type movies too ) like guj, punjabi, rajasthani, bengali marathi stuffs.
Hindi is a common movie catering to one and all.

i suppose u summed it up.. For remote or local audience there are always local language movies and as Hindi's reach is huge they may not be considering on the very inner issues and concentrating mainly on business with reach to audience where they can do big business.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
CR,
Your view on Viv's point? Mostly movies based Upper Middle class??
First of all, i'm not a major Hindi movie buff. I watch a few movies which i think would be interesting. with the disclaimer out of the way, let me continue... i agree with Viv's point. They make movies mainly about urban characters. Of course the "popular" Bollywood la Software Coolie-a kooda CEO range ku dhaan kaattuvaanga.
Road-a kootra kadhaiya irundha kooda Australia, Thailand la dhaan shoot pannuvaanga. Ulladai modhakkondu designer wear than pottukkuvaanunga.
Still, movies like Omkara, Welcome to Sajjanpur (pakkala, rural movie dhaan nu nenaikkaren) are made
And even inside the mainstream, can one imagine a film like TZP in Tamil? How many, bearing a very few would go for it?
Urban/rural ellam irundhaalum, tharam anga nammala vida nalla irukku. Thaan solla vandha kadhaya endha vidha compromise-um illama (mudinja varaikkum) solla anga dhairiyamum soozhalum irukku.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 05:59 PM
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So the context or theme they pick would be a common theme, which a tamilian and a punjabi can relate to almost with equal ease.
and they can sit back and cash on any theme, because, the viewer base is large, so distribution would be wider in many cities and metros, and easily the cost would be made good (even if they pick urban themes)
naama urban themes panna, tamils who love urban subject mattum thaan parpaanga. so namma directors thayaguvaanga.
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
directhit
idha thaan innoru thread la kettein, ofcourse in a +ve way, indha B/C centre laam bollywood la ledhaa nu

what kinda movies do they see?

The multiplex cover means movies made for niche audiences can be profitable. dhairiyama padangal edukkalaam. They have safety in numbers.
Charukkaa(n), & co padangal ellam ella centerlayum odum, podhuva (Swades was better received in the South than in the north, adhu vera vishayam). DCH was not such a mass hit but still got to be extremely profitable. And their makkal are not excessively fussy about "B/C" la odutha, illiya kind of arguments and undue weightage given to B/C? Who cares as long as you rake in profits and the film reaches the target audience, considering its budget etc
ur rite - their multiplex audience since they cover a huger area is apparently big and plus overseas collections give em courage to take movies only believing them and its more like the so called B/C have improved their taste as a result of that. inga namma total market itself is small/adhula b-c nu pirichu kaathula parandhu naalu paatu oru intro kuthu paatu dhaan kekkaranganu mudhirai kuthitaanga
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
So the context or theme they pick would be a common theme, which a tamilian and a punjabi can relate to almost with equal ease.
never..I have never related myself to a hindi movie...
They are picking a theme where the multiplex audiences would be satisfied...
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:02 PM
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SP akka am not sure on a tamilian/punjabi relating to their themes

IMO its more on terms of they dont care on seperate centers/audience
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
So the context or theme they pick would be a common theme, which a
tamilian and a punjabi can relate to almost with equal ease.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
So the context or theme they pick would be a common theme, which a tamilian and a punjabi can relate to almost with equal ease.
never..I have never related myself to a hindi movie...
If they pick a rural context, u would be further driven away from relating to it, leave alone understanding the dialect and the accent.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and they can sit back and cash on any theme, because, the viewer base is large, so distribution would be wider in many cities and metros, and easily the cost would be made good (even if they pick urban themes)
naama urban themes panna, tamils who love urban subject mattum thaan parpaanga. so namma directors thayaguvaanga.
I quote this again.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 06:05 PM
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Anoop,
Even without taking a patronizing tone regarding B/C audience, one can safely say that there have been good films (subjective - legal document range ku clause poda vendirukku!) which have been appreciated by B/C also, here and elsewhere. Yet, andha madhiri oru soozhal-a sustain panradhilla. And its not that urban audience watch only good cinema or whatever A class audience watch is good cinema. I have more questions than answers on this one.
I do get your point though. "avanga idha thaan kekkaraanga", "avanga idha thaan paappaanga", "idhellam puriyadhu" nu solli solli oru vidha Pygmalion effect madhiri aiduchu
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
So the context or theme they pick would be a common theme, which a
tamilian and a punjabi can relate to almost with equal ease.

most metro crowd do relate to their theme, irrespective of the mother tongue sarna. Thats the truth.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:07 PM
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oru 30 years munna hindi padangal parthavanga, would know the difference.
Niraiya village stuffs, realism, simplicity with poetic touch irunthathu. Such movies are no longer made
Grandeur, posh, ravish sets elaam hindi movies laiyum ippo thaan vanthirukku.
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
So the context or theme they pick would be a common theme, which a tamilian and a punjabi can relate to almost with equal ease.
never..I have never related myself to a hindi movie...
say for example...
Dil Chaatha hai.. antha level thaan friendship inga irukanumnnu illa u can definitely enjoy and relate to some extent.
Lagaan -- If cricket is ur cup of tea, then i dont see a reason for hating that movie and u would love no matter u are tamil/punjabi..
Again there in Munnaabhai... Common theme for anyone.. Love all and be kind.. simple... u can easily go along with that movie..
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:09 PM
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CR

ur points are extremely true
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 06:09 PM
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I guess most of people here have wrong perception over B & C audience
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
oru 30 years munna hindi padangal parthavanga, would know the difference.
Niraiya village stuffs, realism, simplicity with poetic touch irunthathu. Such movies are no longer made
Grandeur, posh, ravish sets elaam hindi movies laiyum ippo thaan vanthirukku.

i guess appo tamil was equal with em

ippo avanga valandhaachu, namma innum adhaye ottitirukkom
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
So the context or theme they pick would be a common theme, which a
tamilian and a punjabi can relate to almost with equal ease.

most metro crowd do relate to their theme, irrespective of the mother tongue sarna. Thats the truth.

Sarna,
u cant make a movie to reach every set of audience.. when we mean wider set of people can relate, it means most of metro and to some extent urban and not inner and so..
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Anban,
When i am abused with the nauseating hype for movies like Padikkadhavan and Villu (sorry Vijay fans, im sure you will agree), etc day in and day out, left, right, center and top, there's nothing wrong in Aamir Khan excercising in every channel you see, (except that i get angry and insecure about matters relating to my family pack).
If your problem is hype, there's a lot of linen to clean in our house before we look northwards
Even with hype, they are miles ahead when it comes to quality (with or without hype) and just because you have Yash, Johar and other "nonsense" fellows it doesn't mean we continue to live in denial about the other well deserving half(?) who are moving much ahead.
Bala,
again I am afraid that u r not thinking from a neutral POV.
dont compare villu with gajini... they dont talk abt villu or padikkaathavan in news channels(barring sunt tv.. even that is minimal compared to B-wood)..
lets take
Mozhi vs TZP.. if TZP had the marketing of Mozhi, it wud have sank without a trace..
negate the above statement with data and proceed further.. :P
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:12 PM
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What I understand of B & C types
(u can find them in metros, cities, tows and villages)
B & C audience would feel, they wanna simply enjoy 3 hours, and would opt out of crying or sniffing over reality stuffs and burden their lil heart. So they prefer mindless comedy or masala and lighter stuff.
(veetla irukara thollai pothumpa types)
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 06:13 PM
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Multiplex culture thamizhnaattukkulla vandhu oru 4 varusham irukkumaa
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
What I understand of B & C types
(u can find them in metros, cities, tows and villages)
B & C audience would feel, they wanna simply enjoy 3 hours, and would opt out of crying or sniffing over reality stuffs and burden their lil heart. So they prefer mindless comedy or masala and lighter stuff.
(veetla irukara thollai pothumpa types)

inga singapore laye kooda masala movies are so so popular

ppl wanna jus go to a theatre and enjoy a movie for 2 1/2 - 3 hrs.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
oru 30 years munna hindi padangal parthavanga, would know the difference.
Niraiya village stuffs, realism, simplicity with poetic touch irunthathu. Such movies are no longer made
Grandeur, posh, ravish sets elaam hindi movies laiyum ippo thaan vanthirukku.

i guess appo tamil was equal with em

ippo avanga valandhaachu, namma innum adhaye ottitirukkom
angayum sagikatha masala movies, ravishing pomp types elaam irukku (which fails to show practical life)
but inga enna seyraanganna, even when they make reality movies, they add 2 duets, some dumb comedy, some sicko punch dialogues, fight scenes etc to cater everyone. So the intensity gets diluted.
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
oru 30 years munna hindi padangal parthavanga, would know the difference.
Niraiya village stuffs, realism, simplicity with poetic touch irunthathu. Such movies are no longer made
Grandeur, posh, ravish sets elaam hindi movies laiyum ippo thaan vanthirukku.

i guess appo tamil was equal with em

ippo avanga valandhaachu, namma innum adhaye ottitirukkom
angayum sagikatha masala movies, ravishing pomp types elaam irukku (which fails to show practical life)
but inga enna seyraanganna, even when they make reality movies, they add 2 duets, some dumb comedy, some sicko punch dialogues, fight scenes etc to cater everyone. So the intensity gets diluted.
guess masala movies in hindi are too less nowadays (post gajini's huge success things might change - pokkiri is being remade too there :P) ur rite abt the additions here and thts done under the pretext of pleasing the B/C

but slowly things might change
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I personally feel, esp regarding hindi, the taste of the crowd doesn't vary much and cannot be differentiated as B or C or A. Broadly ppl prefer similar stuffs.
In ours, B and C likings are different from that of A.
(broadly) So people make all kinda good and bad stuffs here.
this is from banglore bollywood fan POV.. all bollywood fans in banglore are A centre ppl only.. there are B and C kind of audience in bollywood too.. i live in Pune , hence i can feel that..
as in Kollywood, the A centre collection overshadows the B and C collection by a mile in bollywood too..
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
lets take
Mozhi vs TZP.. if TZP had the marketing of Mozhi, it wud have sank without a trace..
negate the above statement with data and proceed further.. :P
Don't substitute speculation for data and then we can proceed further
If your point is primarily, Bollywood hype their product more than us, of course they do. Who denied that?
Aana, you said, "Bollywood is
all hype" - You are saying their films are only hype and no quality.
Now, coming back to your speculation that TZP would have sunk sans hype, are you telling that TZP is inferior to Mozhi? Come on!!!
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
idhayellathayum vida, their censor board is FAR better than our censor baads

koduthu vachchavanga .. hmmm

thats a good point.. but , it seems they chopped off some "violent" scenes in hindi gajini which were allowed in Tamil gajini..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:21 PM
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In the name of reality directors here, are resorting to DARK MOVIES
Reality need not be dark or ghore or sad or sick. It can be poetic or creative or inspiring and touching too
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
as in Kollywood, the A centre collection overshadows the B and C collection by a mile in bollywood too..
tamil la kooda A > B and C?
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
idhayellathayum vida, their censor board is FAR better than our censor baads

koduthu vachchavanga .. hmmm

thats a good point.. but , it seems they chopped off some "violent" scenes in hindi gajini which were allowed in Tamil gajini..
vidunga.. athuvaa mukkiyam
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and they can sit back and cash on any theme, because, the viewer base is large, so distribution would be wider in many cities and metros, and easily the cost would be made good (even if they pick urban themes)
naama urban themes panna, tamils who love urban subject mattum thaan parpaanga. so namma directors thayaguvaanga.
I quote this again.
take Mozhi for example.. didnt it make money from urban audience alone??
again, I repeat, many here are failing to analyse from a neutral POV..
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
In the name of reality directors here, are resorting to DARK MOVIES
Reality need not be dark or ghore or sad or sick. It can be poetic or creative or inspiring and touching too

tamil directora are not resorting to dark movies ONLY...why do u watch balas movies if u dont like?
u could very well watch cherans movies,radha mogans movies etc
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
lets take
Mozhi vs TZP.. if TZP had the marketing of Mozhi, it wud have sank without a trace..
I think its comparing two different things.
Noway TZP can be compared to mozhi.
The presentation of TZP was much superior. Period.
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Also thiru,
Hindi is widely spoken not as mother tongue but as a common language by many. Most have diff mother tongues (with probably b/c type movies too ) like guj, punjabi, rajasthani, bengali marathi stuffs.
Hindi is a common movie catering to one and all.
yea, u r correct..
"Hindi padam paatha cool"-nu alaiyura maanam ketta makkal namma naattula pala peru irukkaanga.. :P
PS: this is a general statement.. not targeted at any particular person..
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Anban
as in Kollywood, the A centre collection overshadows the B and C collection by a mile in bollywood too..
tamil la kooda A > B and C?

ofcourse ... recent example, Padikaathavan collecting more than villu due to its presence in multiplexes
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban
lets take
Mozhi vs TZP.. if TZP had the marketing of Mozhi, it wud have sank without a trace..
I think its comparing two different things.
Noway TZP can be compared to mozhi.
The presentation of TZP was much superior. Period.
oh common.. why are u digressing again??
i am comparing the marketing and its correlation to RETURN on INVESTMENT of these two movies..
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
In the name of reality directors here, are resorting to
DARK MOVIES
Reality need not be dark or ghore or sad or sick. It can be poetic or creative or inspiring and touching too

u mean Mani movies
I understood... but knowledge of different set of people also is quite important. I am open to any kind of movie(mindless masalaas) and that includes dark movies as well.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Also thiru,
Hindi is widely spoken not as mother tongue but as a common language by many. Most have diff mother tongues (with probably b/c type movies too ) like guj, punjabi, rajasthani, bengali marathi stuffs.
Hindi is a common movie catering to one and all.
yea, u r correct..
"Hindi padam paatha cool"-nu alaiyura maanam ketta makkal namma naattula pala peru irukkaanga.. :P
PS: this is a general statement.. not targeted at any particular person..
andha mozhi puriyarathaala parkaraanga.
mozhiyE puriyaama en poi parkanam?
dialogues puriyama en 'cool' effect poi parkanam?
Most dont watch marathi or guj or telugu or mallu movies, they watch hindi cause, THEY UNDRESTAND hindi, not because its hep for heaven sake :P
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
In the name of reality directors here, are resorting to DARK MOVIES
Reality need not be dark or ghore or sad or sick. It can be poetic or creative or inspiring and touching too

have u ever watched a dark bolly movie like D or appaharan??
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:29 PM
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and what is so 'MANAM KETTA THANAM' in watching a movie? if u like it and understand a language?
tamizh theriyathavanukku thamizh padam parkarathum manam ketta pozhappa?
strong words. I object.
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
oh common.. why are u digressing again??
neenga koava paduratha paarkumboathu sila samayam sirippu thaan varuthu
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
i am comparing the marketing and its correlation to RETURN on INVESTMENT of these two movies..
You proved only one side. How can you prove that TZP wouldn't have done well if not for the hype? That's mere speculation. And this is ridiculous considering the incredible WOM it generated. For example, my relatives, who would otherwise have not heard about this (irrespective of the hype it may have received), knew about the film because of WOM
And in any case, this is pointless considering your assertion that BW is all hype. ROI etc ellam edhukku?
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Anban
as in Kollywood, the A centre collection overshadows the B and C collection by a mile in bollywood too..
tamil la kooda A > B and C?

ofcourse ... recent example, Padikaathavan collecting more than villu due to its presence in multiplexes


enna olaral from u :P rendume chennai la dhaane.
btw serious aa kekkaren - can a movie collect more from chennai itself than B/C combined - then wth cant they do movies having only A in mind, quality wud improve atleast
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban
lets take
Mozhi vs TZP.. if TZP had the marketing of Mozhi, it wud have sank without a trace..
I think its
comparing two different things.
Noway TZP can be compared to mozhi.
The presentation of TZP was much
superior. Period.
apdiyum pEsalaam, ipdiyum pEsalaam'nu solreengalaa
TZP - budget + star value + marketing strategy gives => quality
Mozhi - Budget + star value + marketing strategy => quality
idhula endha quality superior'nu nenjathottu sollunga ?
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and what is so 'MANAM KETTA THANAM' in watching a movie? if u like it and understand a language?
tamizh theriyathavanukku thamizh padam parkarathum manam ketta pozhappa?
strong words. I object.
yes.. Hope this thread does not turn into Hindi hatred or so
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
In the name of reality directors here, are resorting to DARK MOVIES
Reality need not be dark or ghore or sad or sick. It can be poetic or creative or inspiring and touching too

have u ever watched a dark bolly movie like D or appaharan??

I have I dont like it. I hated Nishabhd types too.
I like cheran movies here,and its undrestatement I love cheran movies, I said such movies can be more compared to dark side picturisation.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 06:32 PM
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Another type of marketing which i feel nauseating is - when two people are real life lovers,they act in movies togethor,do ads togethor etc and make money..its said that the pair gets more money if they act togethor...
they could even act as lovers just to make some quick money.
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Also thiru,
Hindi is widely spoken not as mother tongue but as a common language by many. Most have diff mother tongues (with probably b/c type movies too ) like guj, punjabi, rajasthani, bengali marathi stuffs.
Hindi is a common movie catering to one and all.
yea, u r correct..
"Hindi padam paatha cool"-nu alaiyura maanam ketta makkal namma naattula pala peru irukkaanga.. :P
PS: this is a general statement.. not targeted at any particular person..
andha mozhi puriyarathaala parkaraanga.
mozhiyE puriyaama en poi parkanam?
dialogues puriyama en 'cool' effect poi parkanam?
Most dont watch marathi or guj or telugu or mallu movies, they watch hindi cause, THEY UNDRESTAND hindi, not because its hep for heaven sake :P
appadiyaa?? then i am not talking abt such a crowd.. naan sollura maathiri crowd-um irukku.. here some Tamils in Pune go for Indhi movies.. evanukkum onnum puriyaathu. scene-kkunu porathu..
figures varuvaangannu sight adikka porathu..
puthusaa vaangina t-shirt kaamikka porathu..
ponnunga avanga body-a flaunt panna porathu..
innum reasons neraya irukku.. aravekkaadu peter crowd pathi enakku konjam theriyum.. :P
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit
btw serious aa kekkaren - can a movie collect more from chennai itself than B/C combined - then wth cant they do movies having only A in mind, quality wud improve atleast
Anoop,
A center na Chennai mattum illa... Chennai full-a A centerum illa IMO
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
Another type of marketing which i feel nauseating is - when two people are real life lovers,they act in movies togethor,do ads togethor etc and make money..its said that the pair gets more money if they act togethor...
they could even act as lovers just to make some quick money.
sendhirukkaravangala pirichu paakanumne thiriyuveengalaa
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
they could even act as lovers just to make some quick money.
Adhu dhaan purpose-e.. Hollywood la remba naal munnadi erpaduthiya teknik
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Anban
as in Kollywood, the A centre collection overshadows the B and C collection by a mile in bollywood too..
tamil la kooda A > B and C?

ofcourse ... recent example, Padikaathavan collecting more than villu due to its presence in multiplexes


enna olaral from u :P rendume chennai la dhaane.
btw serious aa kekkaren - can a movie collect more from chennai itself than B/C combined - then wth cant they do movies having only A in mind, quality wud improve atleast
chennai-la ellaa centres-um A kedaiyaathu..
multiplexes- A+
suburban theatres like vetri,raakki - B
devi, kamala- mix of all types of audience.
gopikrishna, ganapathi ram etc.. - C centres..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
appadiyaa?? then i am not talking abt such a crowd.. naan sollura maathiri crowd-um irukku.. here some Tamils in Pune go for Indhi movies.. evanukkum onnum puriyaathu. scene-kkunu porathu..
figures varuvaangannu sight adikka porathu..
puthusaa vaangina t-shirt kaamikka porathu..
ponnunga avanga body-a flaunt panna porathu..
innum reasons neraya irukku.. aravekkaadu peter crowd pathi enakku konjam theriyum.. :P
puriyatha padathukku en scene poda poganam ?
I am with u here, definitely.
I remember my friend coming along for 'SIVAJI the boss' movie and askign translation for every line. Puriyaama vanthu scene kku scene whisle vera :P
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
appadiyaa?? then i am not talking abt such a crowd.. naan sollura maathiri crowd-um irukku.. here some Tamils in Pune go for Indhi movies.. evanukkum onnum puriyaathu. scene-kkunu porathu..
figures varuvaangannu sight adikka porathu..
puthusaa vaangina t-shirt kaamikka porathu..
ponnunga avanga body-a flaunt panna porathu..
intha maathiri koamaalithanangal ellaa idathulayum undu
Kadavul nambikkai illaama koavilukku vaera reason kaaga neeyum, naanum poarathillayaa.. athu maathiri thaan
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:37 PM
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CR and Karthi - thanks
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and what is so 'MANAM KETTA THANAM' in watching a movie? if u like it and understand a language?
tamizh theriyathavanukku thamizh padam parkarathum manam ketta pozhappa?
strong words. I object.
come on.. again and again u r assuming some extra factors and digressing here..
did i ever complain abt hindi speaking ppl watching a hindi movie??
even if some one like me who doesnt know hindi, going to watch a movie like TZP is not maanam ketta thanam FOR YOUR INFO..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and what is so 'MANAM KETTA THANAM' in watching a movie? if u like it and understand a language?
tamizh theriyathavanukku thamizh padam parkarathum manam ketta pozhappa?
strong words. I object.
come on.. again and again u r assuming some extra factors and digressing here..
did i ever complain abt hindi speaking ppl watching a hindi movie??
even if some one like me who doesnt know hindi, going to watch a movie like TZP is not maanam ketta thanam FOR YOUR INFO..
sari puriyuthu.
white flag :P
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:40 PM
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konjam usupaethi vittaa poathum... naama niraya paer evvalavu vettingannu koochamae padaama prove pannipoam ngrathukku intha thread oru example
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
they could even act as lovers just to make some quick money.
Adhu dhaan purpose-e.. Hollywood la remba naal munnadi erpaduthiya teknik

wonderful teknik!
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Anban
i am comparing the marketing and its correlation to RETURN on INVESTMENT of these two movies..
You proved only one side. How can you prove that TZP wouldn't have done well if not for the hype? That's mere speculation. And this is ridiculous considering the incredible WOM it generated. For example, my relatives, who would otherwise have not heard about this (irrespective of the hype it may have received), knew about the film because of WOM
And in any case, this is pointless considering your assertion that BW is all hype. ROI etc ellam edhukku?
TZP and a crap movie called WELCOME released around the same time ..
please compare the collection figures of both the movies.. u will find that in many areas, TZP didnt even collect half the money made by WELCOME.. and very few remember a movie called WELCOME...
WOM for TZP was far more superior that that of WELCOME..
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and what is so 'MANAM KETTA THANAM' in watching a movie? if u like it and understand a language?
tamizh theriyathavanukku thamizh padam parkarathum manam ketta pozhappa?
strong words. I object.
come on.. again and again u r assuming some extra factors and digressing here..
did i ever complain abt hindi speaking ppl watching a hindi movie??
even if some one like me who doesnt know hindi, going to watch a movie like TZP is not maanam ketta thanam FOR YOUR INFO..
sari puriyuthu.
white flag :P
summaa yaethaavathu sollunga.. jollyaa irukku
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and what is so 'MANAM KETTA THANAM' in watching a movie? if u like it and understand a language?
tamizh theriyathavanukku thamizh padam parkarathum manam ketta pozhappa?
strong words. I object.
come on.. again and again u r assuming some extra factors and digressing here..
did i ever complain abt hindi speaking ppl watching a hindi movie??
even if some one like me who doesnt know hindi, going to watch a movie like TZP is not maanam ketta thanam FOR YOUR INFO..
sari puriyuthu.
white flag :P
summaa yaethaavathu sollunga.. jollyaa irukku

ungalukku adi vizha poguthu. :P
marupadiyum naama digress panna nov delete panniduvaanga
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From: Anban
on 20th January 2009 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
and what is so 'MANAM KETTA THANAM' in watching a movie? if u like it and understand a language?
tamizh theriyathavanukku thamizh padam parkarathum manam ketta pozhappa?
strong words. I object.
come on.. again and again u r assuming some extra factors and digressing here..
did i ever complain abt hindi speaking ppl watching a hindi movie??
even if some one like me who doesnt know hindi, going to watch a movie like TZP is not maanam ketta thanam FOR YOUR INFO..
sari puriyuthu.
white flag :P
naan ungaloda sandai podala.. Discuss thaan panninen
i know that, u r very very afraid of arguing with me.. I AM VERY SORRY for that..
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From: equanimus
on 20th January 2009 06:44 PM
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If people are looking for thumb rules with respect to various audiences, I guess this one would serve the best: "the audience is the weak" a la Pulp Fiction. A centre, B centre, C centre ellAm dubakUr. A good filmmaker is left with no other option but to explore the possibilities of success within the framework he or she works in.
If one says that the so-called multiplex films of Hindi cinema wouldn't work in Tamil, it's perhaps because not many identify with that kind of films. One can't help it. So you make the right films which meets the audience in a proper way. This is something most of our filmmakers do very well. So one has to look beyond and see why we're not making that many good films -- if at all one thinks so -- in this framework.
This is NOT to say that any audience is "good" enough to handle all "good" films. (This is something most filmmakers keep insisting though to the point of inducing nausea. But at the end of the day, it's just a way of "campaigning" for their films. Like how the party that wins elections always say that they knew that people would never let down "the good!") There's no universal manner in which one can talk about merit. Even to celebrate the success of a film like 'anjAdhE', everyone must first agree that it was a good film! Isn't it? So I'm not defending the audience here. I'm just saying that there is no such thing as "better tastes" across different sections of the audience.
Anban,
Your point on marketing etc. is well taken, but I don't agree with you at all with regard to the equivalences you draw. TZP for instance is much superior to Mozhi. I've my own reservations with TZP, but Mozhi it just isn't. And we're talking about the directorial debut of a ex-pin-up-boy-now-major-superstar. If we start looking at the timely and substantial interventions of a rather long list of middlestream filmmakers, the debate is a no-brainer to me.
I do agree with you in that the bottomline is Hindi cinema has a bigger market and can hence take bigger risks. That's without doubt true.
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From: joe
on 20th January 2009 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
And even inside the mainstream, can one imagine a film like TZP in Tamil?
I don't know you mean the complexity of the subject or a top hero acting in such non-commercial movie..
TZP is a commercial hit? If Yes ,really appreciated ,but if any unknown actor in place of Aaamer ,i don't know how will be the result.
Btw, Tamil-layum Kutti maathiri padam vanthuchu ..ennai maathiri sila per athai theatre-la poi paarthom ..enna athula oru kamal-o ,rajini-o atleast guest appearence kuduthuruntha nalla poyirukkum.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
i know that, u r very very afraid of arguing with me.. I AM VERY SORRY for that..

Neenga yaaru
Karthikeyana
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
TZP and a crap movie called WELCOME released around the same time ..
please compare the collection figures of both the movies.. u will find that in many areas, TZP didnt even collect half the money made by WELCOME.. and very few remember a movie called WELCOME...
WOM for TZP was far more superior that that of WELCOME..
Substitute Anbe Sivam for TZP and Dhool (it was spelt Dhol!) for Welcome. So? Am i missing something?
OK, Welcome's hype was way higher than Dhool. Again, so?
Secondly, TZP NNED NOT collect as much as Welcome or close to that because of its budget
P.S: Note that its a given that bollywood hype > Kollywood hype (just like Hollywood hype > Kollywood hype). So?
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
And even inside the mainstream, can one imagine a film like TZP in Tamil?
I don't know you mean the complexity of the subject or a top hero acting in such non-commercial movie..
TZP is a commercial hit? If Yes ,really appreciated ,but if any unknown actor in place of Aaamer ,i don't know how will be the result.
Btw, Tamil-layum Kutti maathiri padam vanthuchu ..ennai maathiri sila per athai theatre-la poi paarthom ..enna athula oru kamal-o ,rajini-o atleast guest appearence kuduthuruntha nalla poyirukkum.
True... Naanum TZP paarkala...entha reason kaaga ippadi oru padam thamizhla varaathunnu solraangannu therila
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban
i know that, u r very very afraid of arguing with me.. I AM VERY SORRY for that..

Neenga yaaru
Karthikeyana

oh ithu theriyaathaa
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:51 PM
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7 PM... after 4 months i was in office for this long

Too much... Me going
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From: directhit
on 20th January 2009 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban
i know that, u r very very afraid of arguing with me.. I AM VERY SORRY for that..

Neenga yaaru
Karthikeyana

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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
And even inside the mainstream, can one imagine a film like TZP in Tamil?
I don't know you mean the complexity of the subject or a top hero acting in such non-commercial movie..
TZP is a commercial hit? If Yes ,really appreciated ,but if any unknown actor in place of Aaamer ,i don't know how will be the result.
The saddest truth is great artists who rank in top positions dont take up such movies or dont play it slow and quiet. They wanna rock their movie, satisfy all kinda fans and hence a mini meal with all possible ingredient is offered. Each can take what they want.
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From: joe
on 20th January 2009 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Naanum TZP paarkala.
In last 8 years ,only hindi movie i have seen is TZP.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 20th January 2009 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban
i know that, u r very very afraid of arguing with me.. I AM VERY SORRY for that..

Neenga yaaru
Karthikeyana

aal theriyama modhitanneee.....busukku kooda kaasillanneee kasillanneeeee
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From: crajkumar_be
on 20th January 2009 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
This is something most filmmakers keep insisting though to the point of inducing nausea. But at the end of the day, it's just a way of "campaigning" for their films. Like how the party that wins elections always say that they knew that people would never let down "the good!")
Nammavar dhaan nyabagam varraaru
Whenever he takes up for the audience, i get an image of Krishnaswamy asking the chit fund investors "Vaangalen, naama ellarum serndhu wait pannuvom"
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban
i know that, u r very very afraid of arguing with me.. I AM VERY SORRY for that..

Neenga yaaru
Karthikeyana

aal theriyama modhitanneee.....busukku kooda kaasillanneee kasillanneeeee

for once he was not as fiery as I imagined, ayyo sonna surukkula ethaanum vaya vechu solli mattikka poren
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

for once he was not as fiery as I imagined, ayyo sonna surukkula ethaanum vaya vechu solli mattikka poren

inga thaan ippadi.. naerla kalyaanam aana parithaaba aan jenmangal maathiri potti paambaaa iruppapla
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 20th January 2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

for once he was not as fiery as I imagined, ayyo sonna surukkula ethaanum vaya vechu solli mattikka poren

inga thaan ippadi.. naerla kalyaanam aana parithaaba aan jenmangal maathiri potti paambaaa iruppapla

naanum apdi thaan

nerla romba quiet :P
//dign
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From: Thirumaran
on 20th January 2009 07:00 PM
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Maddy vanthutta maathiri theriyuthu.. hope when i come tomm the thread pages reach 25
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From: NOV
on 20th January 2009 07:11 PM
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What is TZP?
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From: equanimus
on 20th January 2009 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
equanimus
This is something most filmmakers keep insisting though to the point of inducing nausea. But at the end of the day, it's just a way of "campaigning" for their films. Like how the party that wins elections always say that they knew that people would never let down "the good!")
Nammavar dhaan nyabagam varraaru
Whenever he takes up for the audience, i get an image of Krishnaswamy asking the chit fund investors "Vaangalen, naama ellarum serndhu wait pannuvom"


But jokes apart, I don't think Kamal indulges that much in the "makkaL eppavumE nalla cinemA'vai kai vittadhillai" stand. He's been quite vocal about the audience "letting him down" with respect to some of his audacious efforts.
Excellent analogy by the way. The film itself suggests some sort of "corrective" on Kamal's part (as "one of us") if one cares to see the strains of self-reflexiveness in it. If you remember the film's trailer back then, you can see that it alludes to the new Kamal in chains vis-a-vis the old well-to-do Kamal. (One of the many instances in which Kamal uses the physical transformations of the actor very evocatively.)
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From: equanimus
on 20th January 2009 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
What is TZP?

Taare Zameen Par, NOV.
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From: NOV
on 20th January 2009 07:29 PM
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hari.
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From: sarna_blr
on 20th January 2009 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
If one says that the so-called multiplex films of Hindi cinema wouldn't work in Tamil, it's perhaps because not many identify with that kind of films. One can't help it. So you make the right films which meets the audience in a proper way. This is something most of our filmmakers do very well. So one has to look beyond and see why we're not making that many good films -- if at all one thinks so -- in this framework.
:P
recent'a TN Multiplex'la nallaa Oduna padam VA appadinu solraanga

naanum namburEn :P VA minus songs = same vetri kedachchirukkumaa

i dont thinks so
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From: Nerd
on 20th January 2009 09:40 PM
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AFAIK, A center in TN is a joke. Sathyam, Abhirmi, Mayajaal etc in chennai and a few theaters in Madurai, KOvai thaviRa ellAmE B and C dhAn. For example, I would term Trichy (a corporation and all that) as a B center. Kalyasi/Equanimus will agree I believe. Multiplex hits like kAkka kAkka etc. suffered in Trichy.
Blue Umbrella, Omkara, Sajjanpur, Swades maadhiri pala padangaL graamathula eduthirukkAnga. And their range of stories/setup etc is unbelievable. And production values, acting, cinematography, meesic pala matter-la they are superior. Even ARR reserves his best for Hindi.
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From: HonestRaj
on 20th January 2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
Multiplex hits like kAkka kAkka etc. suffered in Trichy.
Kovai-layum 50 days-than oadiyadhu.. adha sonna yarum namburadhillai (most people believe that KK is a bigger hit)
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From: HonestRaj
on 20th January 2009 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
HonestRaj

Originally Posted by
Nerd
Multiplex hits like kAkka kAkka etc. suffered in Trichy.
Kovai-layum 50 days-than oadiyadhu.. adha sonna yarum namburadhillai (most people believe that KK is a bigger hit)
last post mattum vechu reply pannitaen

aana discussion-e vera-nu last 3 page padichadhum purinjudhu :P
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
HonestRaj

Originally Posted by
HonestRaj

Originally Posted by
Nerd
Multiplex hits like kAkka kAkka etc. suffered in Trichy.
Kovai-layum 50 days-than oadiyadhu.. adha sonna yarum namburadhillai (most people believe that KK is a bigger hit)
last post mattum vechu reply pannitaen

aana discussion-e vera-nu last 3 page padichadhum purinjudhu :P
I thought it was a big hit too. Probably that's why GM remade some elements into VV that was a huge hit.
(awaiting someone to counter and say VV is not a big hit)
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
AFAIK, A center in TN is a joke. Sathyam, Abhirmi, Mayajaal etc in chennai and a few theaters in Madurai, KOvai thaviRa ellAmE B and C dhAn. For example, I would term Trichy (a corporation and all that) as a B center. Kalyasi/Equanimus will agree I believe. Multiplex hits like kAkka kAkka etc. suffered in Trichy.
from what i gather from CR/Anban and Nerd's posts is that you all refer to theatres and mark them as A/B/C. For instance Anban was saying Sathyam/Devi is A and Vettri/Ragesh is B etc and thereby the categorisation is financial. I till date had an impression that Cities are A/Towns B and Villages C
How do the filmmakers/distributors classify A/B/C centers - is it on the same lines as Sathyam/Devi is A and Vettri/Ragesh is B and so on or based on towns/cities?
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:10 AM
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Direct Hit,
Irrespective of City/Town/Village ..ticke rates clearly tell you the difference.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 09:14 AM
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oh then the categorisation is financial is it?! - looks like i had a diff interpretation all these days. thanks Joe
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit
How do the filmmakers/distributors classify A/B/C centers - is it on the same lines as Sathyam/Devi is A and Vettri/Ragesh is B and so on
Yes,Ofcourse.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit
oh then the categorisation is financial is it?! - looks like i had a diff interpretation all these days. thanks Joe

Chennai/Chengalpet distribution area has A,B and C centres and distributor fix different rates for different theatres based on its ticket rate.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
Blue Umbrella, Omkara, Sajjanpur, Swades maadhiri pala padangaL graamathula eduthirukkAnga. And their range of stories/setup etc is unbelievable. And production values, acting, cinematography, meesic pala matter-la they are superior. Even ARR reserves his best for Hindi.
Indha vishayatha ennaala othuka mudila. Acting - our stock is good always. I can't say we are better but I can definitely say our actors can match them. Cinematography - most of the good ones are from down south, and even those who have not made it to bollywood come up with some noteworthy cinematography in Tamil films. Music sollavey theva illa but yeah, as of now, ARR's best is in hindi.
Nerd, regarding the village subjects you listed, are they targeted at rural audience? I heard collections for Hindi films are so heavily skewed towards A center and overseas that film makers hope to recover all the cost from them. If that is the case, who will make films for B & C center audience? I don't know if their preference and taste is different from the so called A center audience, as it is the case here in TN.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Chennai/Chengalpet distribution area has A,B and C centres and distributor fix different rates for different theatres based on its ticket rate.
ticket rate and rate fixing ellam munnadiye theriyum - but whenever these film guys were saying the film caters to B/C audience it didnt hit me they are referring to audience in cities too

me also B class audience (Vettri theatre)
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
joe
Chennai/Chengalpet distribution area has A,B and C centres and distributor fix different rates for different theatres based on its ticket rate.
ticket rate and rate fixing ellam munnadiye theriyum - but whenever these film guys were saying the film caters to B/C audience it didnt hit me they are referring to audience in cities too

me also B class audience (Vettri theatre)


OK . Naan mattum enna C -class audience-nnu vachukkalam
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Acting - our stock is good always. I can't say we are better but I can definitely say our actors can match them.
Nope. The average acting seen in Hindi these days tramples what is seen in Tamil. Chance-E illai.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Nerd, regarding the village subjects you listed, are they targeted at rural audience? I heard collections for Hindi films are so heavily skewed towards A center and overseas that film makers hope to recover all the cost from them. If that is the case, who will make films for B & C center audience? I don't know if their preference and taste is different from the so called A center audience, as it is the case here in TN.

idha thaan naanum kekkaren, felt that its true even more when Gajini became such a big hit
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 09:27 AM
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Me A, B, C and D centre audience
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Direct Hit,
Irrespective of City/Town/Village ..ticke rates clearly tell you the difference.
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From: Nerd
on 21st January 2009 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Nerd, regarding the village subjects you listed, are they targeted at rural audience? I heard collections for Hindi films are so heavily skewed towards A center and overseas that film makers hope to recover all the cost from them. If that is the case, who will make films for B & C center audience? I don't know if their preference and taste is different from the so called A center audience, as it is the case here in TN.

idha thaan naanum kekkaren, felt that its true even more when Gajini became such a big hit
It does not mean that villagers went and watched Ghajini. I may be totally wrong but they (B and C) do have their own regional films (Marathi, Punjabi etc) and we dont know anything about those. Metros and Overseas collections form the largest chunk for any Hindi film. Ghajini's hype was tremendous and even south Indians watched Ghajini for obvious reasons.
And thamizh PR just said it. Irfan Khan, Pankaj kapoor, Ranvir Shorey, Vinay Pathak, Paresh Rawal, Nana, Naseer etc., The list is endless. Even SRK has done two great films (acting) in the last four years. And even lesser known stars are pirichufying in some films thanks to the creators.
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Me A, B, C and D centre audience

Kottagai'la padam paaththirukkeengalaa
I have seen few MGR movies in kottagai.... ( adhaanga ukkaara bench irukkaadhu, manal'la ukkaandhu padam paakkanum, naalu pakkamum ara suvar irukkum and only two shows per day . iruttinadhukkappuram 2 padam pOduvaanga. )
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Me A, B, C and D centre audience

Kottagai'la padam paaththirukkeengalaa
I have seen few MGR movies in kottagai.... ( adhaanga ukkaara bench irukkaadhu, manal'la ukkaandhu padam paakkanum, naalu pakkamum ara suvar irukkum and only two shows per day . iruttinadhukkappuram 2 padam pOduvaanga. )
There is one opposite my office.
oru naaL pOgaNum-nu vachirukkEn.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 09:44 AM
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I suppose it is not only ticket rates. With ticket rates we can classify. but that is not the end of story i believe. Type of people who watch also plays a part in deciding these centres.
Say for example if a decent multiplex be in some remote town and the rates are high.. Perusaa vasathi illaathavanga kooda niraya paer paarpaanga based on favorites word of mouth etc... And say a very big town where lots of people with big financial background settles and not interested in normal theaters. But if no decent theater or multiplex are present many will go for such theateres probably with balcony or some other facilities. It happens in many places.
In theater level there is A, B and C centres and there are categories of Audience watching movies too there under different. So i think it should be mix of both
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 09:44 AM
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And thamizh PR just said it. Irfan Khan, Pankaj kapoor, Ranvir Shorey, Vinay Pathak, Paresh Rawal, Nana, Naseer etc., The list is endless. Even SRK has done two great films (acting) in the last four years.
And even lesser known stars are pirichufying in some films thanks to the creators.
Oh. I haven't seen the previous posts. But your last point may be a significant factor.
I haven't seen a great deal of these actors, but another doubt that I am getting is, are we appreciating acting skills with a western sensibility (ignore this if you think it is not any different from ours).
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Me A, B, C and D centre audience

Kottagai'la padam paaththirukkeengalaa
I have seen few MGR movies in kottagai.... ( adhaanga ukkaara bench irukkaadhu, manal'la ukkaandhu padam paakkanum, naalu pakkamum ara suvar irukkum and only two shows per day . iruttinadhukkappuram 2 padam pOduvaanga. )
Of Course... I had seen many in my native village Nettapakkam comes under Pondicherry state.
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
I haven't seen a great deal of these actors, but another doubt that I am getting is, are we appreciating acting skills with a western sensibility (ignore this if you think it is not any different from ours).
Western sensibility-nA ?
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Me A, B, C and D centre audience

Kottagai'la padam paaththirukkeengalaa
I have seen few MGR movies in kottagai.... ( adhaanga ukkaara bench irukkaadhu, manal'la ukkaandhu padam paakkanum, naalu pakkamum ara suvar irukkum and only two shows per day . iruttinadhukkappuram 2 padam pOduvaanga. )
Of Course... I had seen many in my native village Nettapakkam comes under Pondicherry state.


I have seen films only in Chennai and Hyderabad. In chennai, offlate I have been watching movies n the so called B class theatres :P
Rohini, SSR Pankajam, Kamala, Kasi
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:49 AM
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kottagai'la ukkaandhu padam paaththa kaalam pOyi, ippa IMAX, PVR'la ellaam padam paakka aarambichchaachchu :P yEdhO irundhi ooorvalam maadhiri amaidhiyaa ukkaandhu padam paappaanga . dhideer'nu sirippaanga

dhideernu kaithattuvaanga
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Me A, B, C and D centre audience

Kottagai'la padam paaththirukkeengalaa
I have seen few MGR movies in kottagai.... ( adhaanga ukkaara bench irukkaadhu, manal'la ukkaandhu padam paakkanum, naalu pakkamum ara suvar irukkum and only two shows per day . iruttinadhukkappuram 2 padam pOduvaanga. )
Of Course... I had seen many in my native village Nettapakkam comes under Pondicherry state.


I have seen films only in Chennai and Hyderabad. In chennai, offlate I have been watching movies n the so called B class theatres :P
Rohini, SSR Pankajam, Kamala, Kasi
Manal tharayila ukkaantho, padutho padam paakura sugame thani thaan :P But it was long ago... Ippa ellaam Manal tharai ellaam eduthutaanga poala

3 hours chairla ukkaanthu padam paarka mudiyarathilla.. intha kashtam ippa entha theater owners kkum theriyarathill
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From: MADDY
on 21st January 2009 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Western sensibility-nA ?
western sensibilities, engum irukkum, edhilum irukkum.........kathhara kozhanda kitta irukku, nanbar kitta irukku, yen unga kitta kooda irukku
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From: ajaybaskar
on 21st January 2009 09:56 AM
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Maddy,idhenna ROM avatar? Seasonal?
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Western sensibility-nA ?
western sensibilities, engum irukkum, edhilum irukkum.........kathhara kozhanda kitta irukku, nanbar kitta irukku, yen unga kitta kooda irukku
Maddy thideernnu kamal maathiri pesuRar
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
I haven't seen a great deal of these actors, but another doubt that I am getting is, are we appreciating acting skills with a western sensibility (ignore this if you think it is not any different from ours).
Western sensibility-nA ?
Good question, I thought it would come
I can't put it in words exactly, but I feel the way the term "fine acting" is projected is different. Close up shots, minimal facial expressions, lots of eye movements (trying to express through eyes).. such acting will be excellent if the story setup demands so. But traditionally, we also have this overly expressive school of acting, acting which would be visible even in long shots, at times long dialogues with excellent intonation sometimes you even feel their breathing, sometimes they sob etc., etc.,
If it doesn't make sense, chuck it .. I just felt it is different :P
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 09:57 AM
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Joe adhu 3-ai thotta
Amirdhalingathin ponmozhi
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From: MADDY
on 21st January 2009 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
Maddy,idhenna ROM avatar? Seasonal?
//yea yea - thanks to him for extracting a great album from thalaivar//
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Yes
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Western sensibility-nA ?
western sensibilities, engum irukkum, edhilum irukkum.........kathhara kozhanda kitta irukku, nanbar kitta irukku, yen unga kitta kooda irukku
en kitta irukka.. engalukkellaam puriyira maathiri sollungalaen :P
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
oh! Isai maathiri
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 10:02 AM
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If someone "KNOWS" mallu movies, can they please tell us or clarify about the QUALITY in malyalam movies. I personally feel, malyalam movies are a cadre above tolly and kollywood, though I dont understand malyalam and have watched hardly couple of movies
And please understand the term "malyalam movies" in RIGHT SENSE, and do not bring in other kinda discussions here
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
personally feel, malyalam movies are a cadre above tolly and kollywood. |
athellam antha kaalam
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From: ajaybaskar
on 21st January 2009 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
Maddy,idhenna ROM avatar? Seasonal?
//yea yea - thanks to him for extracting a great album from thalaivar//
Then I shud put Nokia Xpressmusic as my avatar...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
personally feel, malyalam movies are a cadre above tolly and kollywood. |
athellam antha kaalam

angayuma
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From: ajaybaskar
on 21st January 2009 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
If someone "KNOWS" mallu movies, can they please tell us or clarify about the QUALITY in malyalam movies.
I personally feel, malyalam movies are a cadre above tolly and kollywood, though I dont understand malyalam and have watched hardly couple of movies
And please understand the term "malyalam movies" in RIGHT SENSE, and do not bring in other kinda discussions here

Not now,SP...Its even worse now..Happy that they have not returned to their early 70s ways....
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
And please understand the term "malyalam movies" in RIGHT SENSE, and do not bring in other kinda discussions here


Good warning.. illanaa anoop, sarna ellaam vaera maathiri thaan eduthuttu iruppaanga
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
personally feel, malyalam movies are a cadre above tolly and kollywood. |
athellam antha kaalam

angayuma

munna iruntha alavukku illainaalum ippavum nalla movies varathaan seyyuthunnu kaelvi pattirukaen
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
I haven't seen a great deal of these actors, but another doubt that I am getting is, are we appreciating acting skills with a western sensibility (ignore this if you think it is not any different from ours).
Western sensibility-nA ?
Good question, I thought it would come
I can't put it in words exactly, but I feel the way the term "fine acting" is projected is different. Close up shots, minimal facial expressions, lots of eye movements (trying to express through eyes).. such acting will be excellent if the story setup demands so. But traditionally, we also have this overly expressive school of acting, acting which would be visible even in long shots, at times long dialogues with excellent intonation sometimes you even feel their breathing, sometimes they sob etc., etc.,
If it doesn't make sense, chuck it .. I just felt it is different :P
I kind of get it.
Indians are more expressive so their acting will be - appidinnu oru 'thinging' irukku. But IMO it is being used more as an excuse than as an argument.
Let us tread on some thin ice : "real".
The yardstick for that would be as simple as: are you as a viewer convinced that the behaviour of the actor is 'convincingly real' given his situation.
Now I have left a lot of open ends there. I have not attempted to objectively lay down how the viewer ought to or ought not to convince himself, what happens when the situations are extrairdinary (which the idea of a movie in the first place) - do we have the werewhithal to evaluate acting in these situations etc.
In this-free-to-judge framework I find the acting in Hindi films of late universally several notches above those in Tamil films.
I will admit to one weakness that I struggle to differentiate between quality of acting and the quality/realness of the role. Actually I don't bother struggling to differentiate too. Which may be one more reason why I find acting in Hindi films leading by a distance.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
The yardstick for that would be as simple as: are you as a viewer convinced that the behaviour of the actor is 'convincingly real' given his situation.
The cultural ,economical,social background of that character also matters and the expression may be different ,which some set of people never witnessed in their life.
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From: MADDY
on 21st January 2009 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I will admit to one weakness that I struggle to differentiate between quality of acting and the quality/realness of the role. Actually I don't bother struggling to differentiate too. Which may be one more reason why I find acting in Hindi films leading by a distance.
PR, i'm surprised that even u r sucked into this arguement...........

do u honestly feel - is there any challenge to Hindi movies as of now

//that doesent make me a "maanam ketta south indian"// penultimate "musical" nail in the coffin was dealt by Amit Trivedi..........i think i have to xerox the PM sent to Bala to all bolly supporters
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Me A, B, C and D centre audience

Kottagai'la padam paaththirukkeengalaa
I have seen few MGR movies in kottagai.... ( adhaanga ukkaara bench irukkaadhu, manal'la ukkaandhu padam paakkanum, naalu pakkamum ara suvar irukkum and only two shows per day . iruttinadhukkappuram 2 padam pOduvaanga. )
There is one opposite my office.
oru naaL pOgaNum-nu vachirukkEn.
ippa kooda adhu maadhiri theatre's irukkaa

adhuvum Chennai'la
3yrs back enga oor pOyirundhappa, anga kottagai illa . 40 kms sorrounding'ku oru theatre kooda kedayaadhu
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
The yardstick for that would be as simple as: are you as a viewer convinced that the behaviour of the actor is 'convincingly real' given his situation.
The cultural ,economical,social background of that character also matters and the expression may be different ,which some set of people never witnessed in their life.

abhiyum naanum padaththula var'ra Sardharji scenes is the best example I believe
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I will admit to one weakness that I struggle to differentiate between quality of acting and the quality/realness of the role. Actually I don't bother struggling to differentiate too. Which may be one more reason why I find acting in Hindi films leading by a distance.
PR, i'm surprised that even u r sucked into this arguement...........

do u honestly feel - is there any challenge to Hindi movies as of now :huh
MADDY, yardstick paththi pEsumbOdhu, I wanted to say that I have always maintained that the writing of the role contributes to the performance in a weird inseparable way.
Even there in my statement I only said Hindi seems to have superior writing too.
Bolly v Kolly - IMO there is no competition at all, Hindi wins hands down. I am kicking myself for missing some of the Hindi films in the last few years. Bent upon catching up now.
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
There is one opposite my office.
oru naaL pOgaNum-nu vachirukkEn.
ippa kooda adhu maadhiri theatre's irukkaa

adhuvum Chennai'la

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en aapis official-A kAnjipuram mAvattathula oru ooraatchiyile irukku.
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From: Nerd
on 21st January 2009 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Direct Hit,
Irrespective of City/Town/Village ..ticke rates clearly tell you the difference.
Precisely. And that is not absolute in the sense you should not compare B center ticket rates in chennai with that of Trichy. Trichy is an A center according to the trade and Thanjavur is B. You get the drift.
My initial deduction was based on the current topic in the thread. Are our audience ready to embrace the Bolly-good-but-offbeat film culture. The answer is definitely a NO.
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From: MADDY
on 21st January 2009 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Bolly v Kolly - IMO there is no competition at all, Hindi wins hands down. I am kicking myself for missing some of the Hindi films in the last few years. Bent upon catching up now.
//saem blood - getting 2 DVDs every weekend - still have some 10-12 movies that i missed since 2005

....//
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Indians are more expressive so their acting will be - appidinnu oru 'thinging' irukku. But IMO it is being used more as an excuse than as an argument.
Let us tread on some thin ice : "real".
The yardstick for that would be as simple as: are you as a viewer convinced that the behaviour of the actor is 'convincingly real' given his situation.
Now I have left a lot of open ends there. I have not attempted to objectively lay down how the viewer ought to or ought not to convince himself, what happens when the situations are extrairdinary (which the idea of a movie in the first place) - do we have the werewhithal to evaluate acting in these situations etc.
In this-free-to-judge framework I find the acting in Hindi films of late universally several notches above those in Tamil films.
I will admit to one weakness that I struggle to differentiate between quality of acting and the quality/realness of the role. Actually I don't bother struggling to differentiate too. Which may be one more reason why I find acting in Hindi films leading by a distance.
It is not an argument, just an opinion.
Yeah, I understand that the actor has done his part (may be exceedingly well) within the bounds of the script and story. When he convinces the audience of reality, his role is done ( I do have a grouse regarding this stress on "reality" w.r.to films but that is a different subject).
But when we evaluate acting skills or the actor as a whole, these are some of the questions that comes naturally to our mind. And at times the doubts are even simpler, you will wonder whether this is how you or any of your friends will emote/react normally. As you said it is subjective to the script.
And I wasn't talking about extra ordinary situations while trying to define Indian sensibility. An example I can say is Dhanush, whose expressions and behaviour in the films (all are of one type I should say :P ) is something I can relate with. I can tell you that this is how a Chennai bred youth will be like. These are not extra ordinary situations, but going with the parameter reality, I would say he has done very good acting for the script. Would you think that a western film critic will say that Dhanush has acted very well?
Another example is Dev Patel. Western audience thinks that he did a great job, all those Indians who have seen the film will tell you he was a sore point. Isn't that a discrepancy in evaluation? I will be interested to know what you think of that :P
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I will admit to one weakness that I struggle to differentiate between quality of acting and the quality/realness of the role. Actually I don't bother struggling to differentiate too. Which may be one more reason why I find acting in Hindi films leading by a distance.
PR, i'm surprised that even u r sucked into this arguement...........

do u honestly feel - is there any challenge to Hindi movies as of now

Oh Maddy, there is no arguement here.. it doesn't even start as I have not watched enough Bolly films. What I was enquiring about is, what we expect from the films, actors.. I don't know what kind of sensibility is dealt with in Hindi movies. So just enquiring about the same.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 10:36 AM
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Honestly, I don’t watch Hindi movies that often [pAkurathey illa]. So I don’t think that I can or have rights to participate in this topic first of all. Only point that Viv mentioned impressed me and pulled me in to the discussions. Thanks CR for the clarification.
Since my knowledge in Hindi is of Raghuthatha range, how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
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From: Nerd
on 21st January 2009 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
Nevaire! Thamizh is *richer* than Hindi definitely. So there.
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From: MADDY
on 21st January 2009 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Oh Maddy, there is no arguement here.. it doesn't even start as I have not watched enough Bolly films. What I was enquiring about is, what we expect from the films, actors.. I don't know what kind of sensibility is dealt with in Hindi movies. So just enquiring about the same.
//no i was not commenting abt ur post - i was talking abt whole thread in totality.......i felt, there is no point talking here

just IMO though //
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From: MADDY
on 21st January 2009 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
Nevaire! Thamizh is *richer* than Hindi definitely. So there.
question is not abt how rich - question is how much u r spending it

.......i have some examples of bolly albums which are very very close and helpful to narration of the movie......
secondly they dont use English words as much as tamil lyricists/dialogue writers do......
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Since my knowledge in Hindi is of Raghuthatha range, how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
Lyrics are GOOD.
Hindi maintains its language, without contaminating with other esp english mixtures. Inga thaan kuthu pattu kku vara lyrics sagikalai. The number of kuthu types there are LESS.
Most melodies have lovely lyrics, hindi words are simplified, we can take the examples of old kannathasan and vm or thamarai lyrics. That is the change we have in hindi as far as I know.
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From: Nerd
on 21st January 2009 10:57 AM
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There were two parts to the question. Its a NO to both.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Nerd

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
Nevaire! Thamizh is *richer* than Hindi definitely. So there.
question is not abt how rich - question is how much u r spending it

.......i have some examples of bolly albums which are very very close and helpful to narration of the movie......
secondly they dont use English words as much as tamil lyricists/dialogue writers do......

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From: Nerd
on 21st January 2009 11:03 AM
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2008 - VaaraNam aayiram. Enough said. appuRam kannadhasan-lErundhu aarambichA
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Bolly v Kolly - IMO there is no competition at all, Hindi wins hands down. I am kicking myself for missing some of the Hindi films in the last few years. Bent upon catching up now.
//saem blood - getting 2 DVDs every weekend - still have some 10-12 movies that i missed since 2005

....//
Maddy - tata solliteenga pola, irundhaalum oru list podunga. i catch up on hindi movies based on the last seen movie (bollywood) thread in hub mostly.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Honestly, I don’t watch Hindi movies that often [pAkurathey illa]. So I don’t think that I can or have rights to participate in this topic first of all. Only point that Viv mentioned impressed me and pulled me in to the discussions. Thanks CR for the clarification.
Since my knowledge in Hindi is of Raghuthatha range, how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
I listen to only ARR' hindi songs and lyrics written by Javed Akhtar, Gulzaar and now Prasoon Joshi has always been excellent (from the little hindi I know, rest flies way above my head). The same ARR is not getting such beautiful lyrics in Tamil except when with VM (even Vaali sometimes). Thamarai writes some beautiful lyrics for HJ (infact in his songs, thamizh is always chaste

). Na. Muthukumar has also penned down some very good lyrics.
Literature connoisseur PR can elaborate more on HFM and TFM lyrics .. avarai ingu vandhu sorpozhivu aatrumaaru thazhmaiyudan ketukolgirEn :P
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Since my knowledge in Hindi is of Raghuthatha range, how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
Lyrics are GOOD.
Hindi maintains its language, without contaminating with other esp english mixtures.
Inga thaan kuthu pattu kku vara lyrics sagikalai. The number of kuthu types there are LESS.
Most melodies have lovely lyrics, hindi words are simplified, we can take the examples of old kannathasan and vm or thamarai lyrics. That is the change we have in hindi as far as I know.
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comparing the best things of hindhi films with the worst things of thamizh films
comparition'la kooda oru neutrality illa
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:10 AM
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There are atrocious actors in Hindi cinema as well. Ultimately the quality of films matters here. However we severely lack supporting actors. Likes of N'shah, Om puri, Pankaj kapoor, Anupam kher, Irrfan khan, Kay Kay, Madhavan (wink wink), Vinay pathak, Ranvir shorey, Rajat kapoor, Abhay deol, vijay raaz, Saurabh Shukla, etc.
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http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajra...rallel-cinema/
BR: Why are the newer Parallel/Multiplex films finding it (relatively) easier to attract audiences? Is it the content? The style? Something else, perhaps simply the fact that the time is right?
Navdeep Singh: Probably a combination of things; the style and content have definitely become more accessible. At the same time, there’s a greater awareness amongst the audience due to easy access to DVD and television.
Anurag Kashyap: The time is right. Earlier, the films had to struggle because of the lack of exhibition outlets, whereas today, there are 150-seat theatres that are quite easy to fill up even with offbeat films.
Rajat Kapoor: In the 1970s, there was a large middle-class audience that patronised films by the likes of Basu Chatterji and Hrishikesh Mukherjee, but by the 1980s/90s, the cinema halls were not clean anymore. These audiences decided to stay home, and they switched to satellite TV and video. They stopped going to the theatres, and so the films of that period were really bad. But now, with the multiplexes, this same audience is coming back to the cinema halls – and this is the audience for our kind of films. This is the audience that says, “Sure, we would see Race and Welcome, but at the same time we would like a few films that reflect our lives, our world. So definitely, the time is right now for our kind of films.
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Nerd

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
how about lyricist in Bollywood, are they as good as or better than Kolly? I mean to ask is, MD’s of Bolly gives importance to lyrics?
Nevaire! Thamizh is *richer* than Hindi definitely. So there.
question is not abt how rich - question is how much u r spending it

......
.i have some examples of bolly albums which are very very close and helpful to narration of the movie......
secondly they dont use English words as much as tamil lyricists/dialogue writers do......

vadivEl dialogue dhaan gnaabagaththukku varudhu
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Literature connoisseur PR can elaborate more on HFM and TFM lyrics .. avarai ingu vandhu sorpozhivu aatrumaaru thazhmaiyudan ketukolgirEn :P
en indhi aRivu patriya kuttu veLippattuvidum enbadhAl, kuduththa compliment-ai vaangi pocket-il pOttukkoNdu iththudan enadhu uRaiyai mudikkiREn :lol2
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
There are atrocious actors in Hindi cinema as well. Ultimately the quality of films matters here. However we severely lack supporting actors. Likes of N'shah, Om puri, Pankaj kapoor, Anupam kher, Irrfan khan, Kay Kay, Madhavan (wink wink), Vinay pathak, Ranvir shorey, Rajat kapoor, Abhay deol, vijay raaz, Saurabh Shukla, etc.
dont know anything about hindi cinema
but still we have
Manorama, Nasser, Raghuvaran, delhi ganesh etc..
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Literature connoisseur PR can elaborate more on HFM and TFM lyrics .. avarai ingu vandhu sorpozhivu aatrumaaru thazhmaiyudan ketukolgirEn :P
en indhi aRivu patriya kuttu veLippattuvidum enbadhAl, kuduththa compliment-ai vaangi pocket-il pOttukkoNdu iththudan enadhu uRaiyai mudikkiREn :lol2
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:17 AM
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Nice posts there, CR.
Onnu mattum solvEn..had "Mahanadhi" (or "Hey! Raam") become a hit, things would have changed in this industry. (I also have this theory that Kamal shouldn't have done "Maharasan" and "Kalaignan" around that time, but continued in path of Thevar magan, Guna, etc)
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Literature connoisseur PR can elaborate more on HFM and TFM lyrics .. avarai ingu vandhu sorpozhivu aatrumaaru thazhmaiyudan ketukolgirEn :P
en indhi aRivu patriya kuttu veLippattuvidum enbadhAl, kuduththa compliment-ai vaangi pocket-il pOttukkoNdu iththudan enadhu uRaiyai mudikkiREn :lol2

Naanga mattum enna ellam therinja bittu pottom

Atleast ippodhaya Tamil lyrics pathi edhachum sollitu ponga.
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
There are atrocious actors in Hindi cinema as well. Ultimately the quality of films matters here. However we severely lack supporting actors. Likes of N'shah, Om puri, Pankaj kapoor, Anupam kher, Irrfan khan, Kay Kay, Madhavan (wink wink), Vinay pathak, Ranvir shorey, Rajat kapoor, Abhay deol, vijay raaz, Saurabh Shukla, etc.
dont know anything about hindi cinema
but still we have
Manorama, Nasser, Raghuvaran, delhi ganesh etc..
I can't stand Manorama.
Nasser, Delhi and few others. The key word to note is "few".
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I can't stand Manorama. .

Unga range-e vera polirukku
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life

Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
There are atrocious actors in Hindi cinema as well. Ultimately the quality of films matters here. However we severely lack supporting actors. Likes of N'shah, Om puri, Pankaj kapoor, Anupam kher, Irrfan khan, Kay Kay, Madhavan (wink wink), Vinay pathak, Ranvir shorey, Rajat kapoor, Abhay deol, vijay raaz, Saurabh Shukla, etc.
dont know anything about hindi cinema
but still we have
Manorama, Nasser, Raghuvaran, delhi ganesh etc..
I can't stand Manorama.
Nasser, Delhi and few others. The key word to note is "few".
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I can't stand Manorama. .

Unga range-e vera polirukku

Even I am surprised! Thillana onnu pOdhume....
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I can't stand Manorama. .

Unga range-e vera polirukku

No offense. She has her qualities. But as a character actress, she is quite limited at emotional scenes. Yenna solradhu, melodramatic? If she keeps off it (which is why the limitation), she is okay.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 11:24 AM
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Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Literature connoisseur PR can elaborate more on HFM and TFM lyrics .. avarai ingu vandhu sorpozhivu aatrumaaru thazhmaiyudan ketukolgirEn :P
en indhi aRivu patriya kuttu veLippattuvidum enbadhAl, kuduththa compliment-ai vaangi pocket-il pOttukkoNdu iththudan enadhu uRaiyai mudikkiREn :lol2

Naan kooda konjam hindi films theriyum nnu aarambichu... konjam konjamaa eppavo appeete aayitaen
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I can't stand Manorama. .

Unga range-e vera polirukku

No offense. She has her qualities. But as a character actress, she is quite limited at emotional scenes. Yenna solradhu, melodramatic? If she keeps off it (which is why the limitation), she is okay.
Opinion differs ..Let us leave it.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:27 AM
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I kinda understand what thilak says. In tamizh movies, subtle expressions are comparitively less. Lot of times we are TOO LOUD, and OVER SENTIMENTAL. The success is to touch slowly and poetically. Hindi movies seem to do it better that way.
This is what tv tried to say. Taking any race, how we show our emotions vary, hence the presentation vary too.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
most importantly namma kounder range kku comedian orutharaavathu irukaangalaa...
Hindi films support panravangale, vaanga vaanga... neengalaa thamizhargalaannu paathuduvoam
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?

Wait ..thedi pidichu naalu sollamala poyiduvanga
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From: ajaybaskar
on 21st January 2009 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I can't stand Manorama. .

Unga range-e vera polirukku

No offense. She has her qualities. But as a character actress, she is quite limited at emotional scenes. Yenna solradhu, melodramatic? If she keeps off it (which is why the limitation), she is okay.
I second this... Sometimes she irritates..... For example, Vetrikodi kattu.. She played the helping hand in bringing me out of the theatre.. now Kalairani holds the baton..
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 11:29 AM
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Hello! I am asking seriously. Maddy kOvapatrAdheenga..
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I kinda understand what thilak says. In tamizh movies, subtle expressions are comparitively less. Lot of times we are TOO LOUD, and OVER SENTIMENTAL. The success is to touch slowly and poetically. Hindi movies seem to do it better that way.
This is what tv tried to say. Taking any race, how we show our emotions vary, hence the presentation vary too.
but what is brilliant in hindi is the genre of movies they come up with and its execution more importantly. Not stuck with the same boy loves girl or one guy bashing up villains and making tamilnadu clean kinda movies.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?

Wait ..thedi pidichu naalu sollamala poyiduvanga

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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?

Wait ..thedi pidichu naalu sollamala poyiduvanga

Joe i put it sarcastically

i was also in the 'i support tamil films' mode few months back, but after seeing some movies i changed
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
This is what tv tried to say. Taking any race, how we show our emotions vary, hence the presentation vary too.
Then one shouldnt say that Hindhi movies are superior in all or most aspects wn compared to Thamizh movies
PS .. naanum hindhi padangal paakkuravan dhaan :P
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From: ajaybaskar
on 21st January 2009 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
most importantly namma kounder range kku comedian orutharaavathu irukaangalaa...
Hindi films support panravangale, vaanga vaanga... neengalaa thamizhargalaannu paathuduvoam

I dont think they have a separate comedian like Gounder..
But heroes like Govinda and Salman does some experiments with comedy...
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
most importantly namma kounder range kku comedian orutharaavathu irukaangalaa...
Hindi films support panravangale, vaanga vaanga... neengalaa thamizhargalaannu paathuduvoam


No, not until you decide to act in Hindi films
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
most importantly namma kounder range kku comedian orutharaavathu irukaangalaa...
Hindi films support panravangale, vaanga vaanga... neengalaa thamizhargalaannu paathuduvoam

I dont think they have a separate comedian like Gounder..
But heroes like Govinda and Salman does some experiments with comedy...
Salman khan nadikarathe periya comedy thaan
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

No, not until you decide to act in Hindi films

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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:33 AM
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oh please dont compare govindha and salman to kaundamani.
Comedy down south esp with tamilians WINS with a mile difference.
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From: ajaybaskar
on 21st January 2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
oh please dont compare govindha and salman to kaundamani.
Comedy down south esp with tamilians WINS with a mile difference.
Yes...The only comedian i remember in Hindi is Johny Lever.. But we have a very talented bunch...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
most importantly namma kounder range kku comedian orutharaavathu irukaangalaa...
Hindi films support panravangale, vaanga vaanga... neengalaa thamizhargalaannu paathuduvoam

I dont think they have a separate comedian like Gounder..
But heroes like Govinda and Salman does some experiments with comedy...
Salman khan nadikarathe periya comedy thaan

ennai rakshasi aakatheenga
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?

Wait ..thedi pidichu naalu sollamala poyiduvanga

Joe i put it sarcastically

i was also in the 'i support tamil films' mode few months back, but after seeing some movies i changed

Naanum sila vishayathukku hindi films support pannuraen thaan.. enakku knowledge kammi thaan hindi films porutha varaikkum.. but entha area in cinema eduthaalum avanga better ngra maathiri argument inga panraapla thoanuthu....
Let me watch 10 hindi films in the past 3 years and come here again

:P athukku innum 10 varusham kooda aagalaa
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:35 AM
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Vairamuthu once conceded Gulzar is a better lyricist, but as a true thamizhar, maintained Thamizh is a better language than Hindi.
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I can't stand Manorama. .

Unga range-e vera polirukku

Even I am surprised! Thillana onnu pOdhume....

I kinda see where Thilak is coming from. Of course Manorama has some great performances but she can be quite irritating some times.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
oh please dont compare govindha and salman to kaundamani.
Comedy down south esp with tamilians WINS with a mile difference.
Yes...The only comedian i remember in Hindi is Johny Lever.. But we have a very talented bunch...
yup johnny lever comedy are stale types. Ive watched him very little, and never liked.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?
most importantly namma kounder range kku comedian orutharaavathu irukaangalaa...
Hindi films support panravangale, vaanga vaanga... neengalaa thamizhargalaannu paathuduvoam


No, not until you decide to act in Hindi films

i am honoured
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From: MADDY
on 21st January 2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
For example, Vetrikodi kattu.. She played the helping hand in bringing me out of the theatre.. now Kalairani holds the baton..

ajay-oda timing-e timing
SS, no probs

pls kantinoo
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
I can't stand Manorama. .

Unga range-e vera polirukku

Even I am surprised! Thillana onnu pOdhume....

I kinda see where Thilak is coming from. Of course Manorama has some great performances but
she can be quite irritating some times.
Isn't applicable to almost all ?
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:37 AM
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Hindi cinema grew out of "comedy tracks". Now they're making full time comedies rather than mixing comedy tracks into serious films.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Vairamuthu once conceded Gulzar is a better lyricist, but as a true thamizhar, maintained Thamizh is a better language than Hindi.

As little as I know, hindi along with urdu mixture makes it more poetic.
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?

Wait ..thedi pidichu naalu sollamala poyiduvanga

Joe i put it sarcastically

i was also in the 'i support tamil films' mode few months back, but
after seeing some movies i changed

DH, I think it is because u have seen some movies / not all movies
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Isn't applicable to almost all ?

For example, Nasser, or Delhi could never irritate as much as her.

(Sivaji, Kamal range-lam solla thevai illa. They don't "irritate". Although they have gone over the top. )
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I kinda see where Thilak is coming from. Of course Manorama has some great performances but she can be quite irritating some times.
As per what you said earlier, can it mean some of her characterizations can be quite irritating?
I think she is a very versatile actress who can genuinely move the audience with her performance.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:41 AM
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Why few are irritated with manorama is they have not captured her talent in right way in few movies, but SHE IS BEING USED to portray thaakula sentiment, which piss*es few of us off.
I liked her in gnana paravai with shivaji where she speaks less, even then she dramatises quite a lot.
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life

Originally Posted by
joe
Isn't applicable to almost all ?

For example, Nasser, or Delhi could never irritate as much as her.

(Sivaji, Kamal range-lam solla thevai illa. They don't "irritate". Although they have gone over the top. )
Itz not the problem of the actor.. it is coz of the director and the movie.. if u get irritated with the movie u'll also get irritated with the artists in that movie.. most or all of the films u dont like her acting will be flop films..
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
ennai rakshasi aakatheenga

Azhagaana rakshashiyae...
hindi padam paththi paesuriyaee...
tamil films section nilae..
anban kitta thittu vaangurayae...
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 11:42 AM
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Thilak,PR,Ajay and Maddy,
I rate Manorama as most talented actress so far in Tamil.
Let us agree to disagree.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:42 AM
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Hamid,
Can u name few movies where she her talent was utilized to play SUBTLE roles with small gestures, than screaming and streaming tears?
She was not given much opportunity to show variety.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
ajaybaskar
For example, Vetrikodi kattu.. She played the helping hand in bringing me out of the theatre.. now Kalairani holds the baton..

ajay-oda timing-e timing
SS, no probs
pls kantinoo 
No No Maddy! I am a novice; I don’t have much idea about Bolly industry. That’s why I asked you. I am not sarcastic, please!
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sivaji, MGR, Rajini, Vijay, Ajith padathula vara mAdhri, thathuva songs irrukA, Hindi-la?

Wait ..thedi pidichu naalu sollamala poyiduvanga

Joe i put it sarcastically

i was also in the 'i support tamil films' mode few months back, but
after seeing some movies i changed

DH, I think it is because
u have seen some movies / not all movies 

valid point :P
nuni pul mEnjuttu pEsakkoodaadhu
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Thilak,PR,Ajay and Maddy,
I rate Manorama as most talented actress so far in Tamil.
Let us agree to disagree.

I am with Joe, easily!
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Why few are irritated with manorama is they have not captured her talent in right way in few movies, but SHE IS BEING USED to portray thaakula sentiment, which piss*es few of us off.
Yes.. That is what I said.
I liked her in gnana paravai with shivaji where she speaks less, even then she dramatises quite a lot.
Drama is our history, it is in our blood... thats the environment in which these actors grew up.
Even in poetry we use exaggeration as a literary device, why not in Cinema.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
tamil films section nilae..
anban kitta thittu vaangurayae...

tamizh padam thara kuraivu nnu naan SATHYAMA ENNIKKUM solla matten. We have had and we still have promising actors, directors. I still lvoe watching certain themes.
I just try to say, we CANNOT compare hindi and tamizh as they cater to diff sections and we to different sections. avlo thaan
haiyaoooooo anban varthukulla naan odidaren
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From: equanimus
on 21st January 2009 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Nice posts there, CR.
Onnu mattum solvEn..had "Mahanadhi" (or "Hey! Raam") become a hit, things would have changed in this industry. (I also have this theory that Kamal shouldn't have done "Maharasan" and "Kalaignan" around that time, but continued in path of Thevar magan, Guna, etc)
I don't think so, Thilak. Firstly, your proposition seems to involve circular reasoning. mahAnadhi OduRadhukku mahAnadhi OdirukkaNum 'nu solRA mAdhiri irukku.

Secondly, I don't think such one-off films would make that big a difference to the general order of things. Kamal has of course kept saying this -- that he'd have taken a different path had some of his "sincere" films worked at the B.O. That might be true for him as a filmmaker, but for an overall change, you need more than just one filmmaker.
By the way, I saw mahAnadhi on its 154th day! It's not like it was a washout.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 11:45 AM
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SP,
Hope you(atleast) know manorama was not just character artist ,but a heroine ,comedian and singer.
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:46 AM
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The most talented actress(es) would be Shoba, Revathy, or Savithri. Let's agree to debate.
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 11:46 AM
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This desparation to see what TFI is still better than HFI reminds me of a friends episode:
Phoebe is thrown out of Central Perk and a new guitarist Stephanie is hired by Terry ('is a jerk')
Phoebe: So, um, how many chords do you know?
Stephanie: All of them.
Phoebe: Oh yeah? so you know D?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know how to go from D to A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay. Um, so does your guitar have a strap?
Stephanie: No.
Phoebe: Oh. Mine does.
[singing:] Stephanie knows all the chords.
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From: ajaybaskar
on 21st January 2009 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Thilak,PR,Ajay and Maddy,
I rate Manorama as most talented actress so far in Tamil.
Let us agree to disagree.

No second thought that she is one of the best actresses in Tamil. But the theatre hangover is still visible in some movies..Sivaji, Kamal have successfully come out it when they entered Cinema..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
liked her in gnana paravai with shivaji where she speaks less, even then she dramatises quite a lot.
Drama is our history, it is in our blood... thats the environment in which these actors grew up.
Even in poetry we use exaggeration as a literary device, why not in Cinema.
but why always tv?
why always exaggeration?
Sometimes fine.
Sometimes let it be the other way too. We need to have variety in exhibiting emotions.
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Hamid,
Can u name few movies where she her talent was utilized to play SUBTLE roles with small gestures, than screaming and streaming tears?
She was not given much opportunity to show variety.
SP,
as you said she was not provided much oppurtunity.. but we are talking about talent here.. she has the talent undoubtedly.. more than recent films she has shown variety in old films..
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
joe
Thilak,PR,Ajay and Maddy,
I rate Manorama as most talented actress so far in Tamil.
Let us agree to disagree.

I am with Joe, easily!
Me too

Manorama is

i have feeling she was not used very well to her talent in movies.. That is different.. Same goes with Nagesh. such a brilliant comedian but not used well in many movies as comedian... But in Supporting character he rocks
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
hamid
DH, I think it is because u have seen some movies / not all movies

hamid :P i've seen most tamil movies of late and some recent top hindi movies - neenga enna angayum kuppa irukkunu solla vareengalaa? adha yaarum marukkalaye. but better films are much more in percentage there, adha therinjukka aen ella padathayum paakanum
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
liked her in gnana paravai with shivaji where she speaks less, even then she dramatises quite a lot.
Drama is our history, it is in our blood... thats the environment in which these actors grew up.
Even in poetry we use exaggeration as a literary device, why not in Cinema.
but why always tv?
why always exaggeration?
Sometimes fine.
Sometimes let it be the other way too. We need to have variety in exhibiting emotions.
hmmm..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
SP,
Hope you(atleast) know manorama was not just character artist ,but a heroine ,comedian and singer.
Ive watched her in all roles joe. Ive watched her movies from 70s.
I dont have compalints or DONT UNDERRATE her as an artist. She is one of the best. I love her voice, prefer her as char artist than a comedian.
I just said, she is made to cliche quite a lot .
( and what do u mean ATLEAST

)
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
This desparation to see what TFI is still better than HFI reminds me of a friends episode:
Phoebe is thrown out of Central Perk and a new guitarist Stephanie is hired by Terry ('is a jerk')
Phoebe: So, um, how many chords do you know?
Stephanie: All of them.
Phoebe: Oh yeah? so you know D?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know how to go from D to A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay. Um, so does your guitar have a strap?
Stephanie: No.
Phoebe: Oh. Mine does.
[singing:] Stephanie knows all the chords.
PR - I always assume its SP akka posting coz of ur avatar
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
( and what do u mean ATLEAST

)
Mathavangala vida neenga pazhaya padangal niRaya paarthirupeengale -nnu sonnen..
Ithaan unga kitta oru ketta pazhakkam

santhegam
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
This desparation to see what TFI is still better than HFI reminds me of a friends episode:
Phoebe is thrown out of Central Perk and a new guitarist Stephanie is hired by Terry ('is a jerk')
Phoebe: So, um, how many chords do you know?
Stephanie: All of them.
Phoebe: Oh yeah? so you know D?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know how to go from D to A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay. Um, so does your guitar have a strap?
Stephanie: No.
Phoebe: Oh. Mine does.
[singing:] Stephanie knows all the chords.
PR - I always assume its SP akka posting coz of ur avatar

Me too was thinking it was a post by SP
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 11:53 AM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
This desparation to see what TFI is still better than HFI reminds me of a friends episode:
Phoebe is thrown out of Central Perk and a new guitarist Stephanie is hired by Terry ('is a jerk')
Phoebe: So, um, how many chords do you know?
Stephanie: All of them.
Phoebe: Oh yeah? so you know D?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay, do you know how to go from D to A minor?
Stephanie: Yeah.
Phoebe: Okay. Um, so does your guitar have a strap?
Stephanie: No.
Phoebe: Oh. Mine does.
[singing:] Stephanie knows all the chords.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:53 AM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Hamid,
Can u name few movies where she her talent was utilized to play SUBTLE roles with small gestures, than screaming and streaming tears?
She was not given much opportunity to show variety.
SP,
as you said she was not provided much oppurtunity.. but we are talking about talent here.. she has the talent undoubtedly..
more than recent films she has shown variety in old films..
hmmm... probably.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
( and what do u mean ATLEAST

)
Mathavangala vida neenga pazhaya padangal niRaya paarthirupeengale -nnu sonnen..
Ithaan unga kitta oru ketta pazhakkam

santhegam


:P
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
hamid
DH, I think it is because u have seen some movies / not all movies

hamid :P i've seen most tamil movies of late and some recent top hindi movies - neenga enna angayum kuppa irukkunu solla vareengalaa? adha yaarum marukkalaye. but better films are much more in percentage there, adha therinjukka aen ella padathayum paakanum

DH,
I dont know Hindi and dont watch much Hindi cinema.. off late viewing a few (hits) with the help of DVD subtitles..
U said u changed ur opinion that Hindi is best based on the few movies u have seen.. maybe if u hv seen only a few Tamil films u might have said TFM is the best..
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Thilak,PR,Ajay and Maddy,
I rate Manorama as most talented actress so far in Tamil.
Let us agree to disagree.

I'd say the actress with most talent showcased on screen. No other actress has achieved what she achieved, especially her longevity, the people she had worked with. Oh well, they have felicitated her many times already, so I shall not repeat whatever they said.
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Nice posts there, CR.
Onnu mattum solvEn..had "Mahanadhi" (or "Hey! Raam") become a hit, things would have changed in this industry. (I also have this theory that Kamal shouldn't have done "Maharasan" and "Kalaignan" around that time, but continued in path of Thevar magan, Guna, etc)
I don't think so, Thilak. Firstly, your proposition seems to involve circular reasoning. mahAnadhi OduRadhukku mahAnadhi OdirukkaNum 'nu solRA mAdhiri irukku.

Secondly, I don't think such one-off films would make that big a difference to the general order of things. Kamal of course has often said that he'd have taken a different path had some of his "sincere" films worked at the B.O. That might be true for him as a filmmaker,
but for an overall change, you need more than just one filmmaker.
By the way, I saw mahAnadhi on its 154th day! It's not like it was a washout. Kamal of course goes about saying such things.
Aamam.
But in Kamal's case, I still maintain he could have held "exclusivity" when it comes to sincere films, rather than pandering to make "Kalaignan"(or "Maharasan", although we know he did for the producer), etc. IF he had kept off it, it would have built a consistent image and slowly gathered a large audience. See what the Aamir propaganda has achieved.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:54 AM
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Ive never sported padmini, why this confusion
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
The most talented actress(es) would be Shoba, Revathy, or Savithri. Let's agree to debate.

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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 11:58 AM
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Shobha yes, undoubtedly

Savithri -

I aint fond of her, I rate, sujatha, sarojadevi or radha better.
REvathi: I cant stand her, and I am biased here, so over allmy points cant be valid, with respect to her
Rohini
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 11:58 AM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I kinda see where Thilak is coming from. Of course Manorama has some great performances but she can be quite irritating some times.
As per what you said earlier, can it mean some of her characterizations can be quite irritating?
Could be

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
I think she is a very versatile actress who can genuinely move the audience with her performance.
Yeah sure. But I hope you will acknowledge that it does not mean she is incapable of irritating.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 11:59 AM
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BTW when i was last in Mumbai.. in 2005 end.. few people there itself used to the quality of hindi movies are very low in the past few years.. i.e before 2005.. and certain people used to rate south indian actors and technician high.. Even the success rate of films there were very less in some year when i was there... hardly 2 films were hit in one particular year.. not sure of the year though..
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
hamid
DH, I think it is because u have seen some movies / not all movies

hamid :P i've seen most tamil movies of late and some recent top hindi movies - neenga enna angayum kuppa irukkunu solla vareengalaa? adha yaarum marukkalaye. but better films are much more in percentage there, adha therinjukka aen ella padathayum paakanum

DH,
I dont know Hindi and dont watch much Hindi cinema.. off late viewing a few (hits) with the help of DVD subtitles..
U said u changed ur opinion that Hindi is best based on the few movies u have seen.. maybe if u hv seen only a few Tamil films u might have said TFM is the best..

not really - am not saying all Hindi Films are good nor all Hindi films are better than any tamil films, am I? Bollywood Industry churns out a higher percentage of good movies in quality in terms of Story line/execution/Music/Presentation/technical stuff. Adha therinjukka aen ella hindi padam paakanum?

Neenga namma hub laye best hindi films/best tamil films poll paarunga. The reason could be many though - bigger market for em to experiment and as discussed already in this thread, they can afford to take movies having only the metros and overseas in their mind as audience etc etc.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:04 PM
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Revathi is more talented than Manorama?
Enna kodumai sir ithu
Sari..viduvom
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Rohini

I always wondered why she never really took off. Not a great actress, but pretty good all around. She can be performance oriented or just plain glamourous. Too bad...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:04 PM
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Putting it in nutshell,
On an average, if we take any random sample a movie of bw and random sample b of tamil mvoie, with similar story pattern, we find sample a dont beat around the bush and is picturised to the point.
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Savithri -

I aint fond of her, I rate, sujatha, sarojadevi or radha better.
ayyagO !
I am speechless.
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
hamid
DH, I think it is because u have seen some movies / not all movies

hamid :P i've seen most tamil movies of late and some recent top hindi movies - neenga enna angayum kuppa irukkunu solla vareengalaa? adha yaarum marukkalaye. but better films are much more in percentage there, adha therinjukka aen ella padathayum paakanum

DH,
I dont know Hindi and dont watch much Hindi cinema.. off late viewing a few (hits) with the help of DVD subtitles..
U said u changed ur opinion that Hindi is best based on the few movies u have seen.. maybe if u hv seen only a few Tamil films u might have said TFM is the best..

not really - am not saying all Hindi Films are good nor all Hindi films are better than any tamil films, am I? Bollywood Industry churns out a higher percentage of good movies in quality in terms of Story line/execution/Music/Presentation/technical stuff. Adha therinjukka aen ella hindi padam paakanum?

Neenga namma hub laye best hindi films/best tamil films poll paarunga. The reason could be many though - bigger market for em to experiment and as discussed already in this thread, they can afford to take movies having only the metros and overseas in their mind as audience etc etc.
Okie DH, maybe if u had known win percentage is higher in HFM than TFM and changed ur opinion it is fine with me...but u said based on few films u saw u changed ur opinion.. thats y i said..
I never said TFM is better than HFM.. it maybe or it maynot be.. I cant say that since I dont know much about HFM.. thats it
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Savithri -

I aint fond of her, I rate, sujatha, sarojadevi or radha better.
ayyagO !
I am speechless.
Good for the thread if all become speechless
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Rohini

I always wondered why she never really took off. Not a great actress, but pretty good all around. She can be performance oriented or just plain glamourous. Too bad...
yeah
She simply ROCKED in marupadiyum. I loved her in even one of bhagyaraj movie. She was not chosen fav for many directors I think
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Savithri -

I aint fond of her, I rate, sujatha, sarojadevi or radha better.
ayyagO !
I am speechless.
Naanum thaan
Savithri - unmatched actress ,apt for title 'Nadigaiyar Thilagam'.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Savithri -

I aint fond of her, I rate, sujatha, sarojadevi or radha better.
ayyagO !
I am speechless.
naan enna pannattam.
I am made this way
When many go gaga and flow all over her acting, I dont find her breathtakingly pretty or extremely good in acting.
IMO Shes above average, not an extraordinary stuff.
If that ayyago was for sarojadevi

I dont wana argue.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:08 PM
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Anyway,back to K Vs B
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:10 PM
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Okie.. lets take each department and find out who is the best and which industry he belongs to
like
Direction
Music
Acting
etc etc..
I think and hope TFM has more talent
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid
Okie.. lets take each department and find out who is the best and which industry he belongs to
like
Direction
Music
Acting
etc etc..
I think and hope TFM has more talent

Direction: One of their best is from TN.
Music: One of their best is from TN
Acting: NT, Kamal. Period.
etc: I vote for TFI.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid
I never said TFM is better than HFM.. it maybe or it maynot be.. I cant say that since I dont know much about HFM.. thats it

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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:14 PM
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What we mean to say is
an average hindi movie is better presented than
an average tamizh movie.
Top creams of both bw and kw may be a close tie.
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Thilak,PR,Ajay and Maddy,
I rate Manorama as most talented actress so far in Tamil.
Let us agree to disagree.

Joe I may nearly agree to agree.
I only say it cannot be denied that she has been irritating in several movies. Reflecting on TV's statement, it could also be due to the fact that she was typecast.
Actor Saeed Jaffrey move to UK and stopped acting in Hindi films. He wasn't a great actor by any stretch of imagination. I recall an interview where he was asked if he missed acting and he said: "No. I was tired of playing rich father and naughty uncle".
Manorama chose to be tiring than tired.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
hamid
Okie.. lets take each department and find out who is the best and which industry he belongs to
like
Direction
Music
Acting
etc etc..
I think and hope TFM has more talent

Direction: One of their best is from TN.
Music: One of their best is from TN
Acting: NT, Kamal. Period.
etc: I vote for TFI.
Groucho, what would you say with respect to current output from both the fields. I note that you are mentioning some all time greats in that list. We are fortunate to have them, but what about the current state of things?
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid
Okie.. lets take each department and find out who is the best and which industry he belongs to
like
Direction
Music
Acting
etc etc..
I think and hope
TFM has more talent 
but HFM's support panravanga romba talent'aa pEsuraanga
sangati'ya jarigai thaal'la madichchu thandhaa

adhu dhaan superior'ru thonum
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
I think she is a very versatile actress who can genuinely move the audience with her performance.
Yeah sure. But I hope you will acknowledge that it does not mean she is incapable of irritating.
I can only acknowledge if I got irritated at any point of time, but I didn't.
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
hamid
Okie.. lets take each department and find out who is the best and which industry he belongs to
like
Direction
Music
Acting
etc etc..
I think and hope TFM has more talent

Direction: One of their best is from TN.
Music: One of their best is from TN
Acting: NT, Kamal. Period.
etc: I vote for TFI.
Groucho, what would you say with respect to current output from both the fields. I note that you are mentioning some all time greats in that list. We are fortunate to have them, but what about the current state of things?
I am basing on what is happening and where these talents are. Bollywood, in most case, is too glitzy, glittery, glamorous and when it is not, it becomes pretentious. I keep moving away from it, as and when it attracts me.
Naan sonna athey complain can be used for TFI, but there is some kind of honesty in what is offered here. There is something genuinely intriguing. There are crap of course, and solo heroism still rules the roost (sadly), but if Bollywood is all gold and diamond, here its earth, where things live.
Romba olaritteen-nu ninaikkiren. I shaddap.
(Plus, I must add, we have Rajini and Gounder)
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
When many go gaga and flow all over her acting, I dont find her breathtakingly pretty or extremely good in acting.
Navarathri-la oru therukkooththu varum.
I can't think of any actress (note the conspicuous absence of the language qualifier) who would have been able to pull that off.

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
IMO Shes above average
In PGW's Classic Short story "The Clicking of Cuthbert", the hero proposes to his girlfriend and showers praises on her beauty. She modestly denies the praise...
Girl: ....I do acknowledge I am fairly good looking...
Cuthbert: ..fairly good looking ? "Anybody who was content to call you fairly good-looking would describe the Taj Mahal as a pretty nifty tomb."

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
If that ayyago was for sarojadevi

I dont wana argue.
The ayyago was very much for Saroja Devi

Neenga udanE ennai thAmarai nenjam paakka solluveenga
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Navarathri-la oru therukkooththu varum.
I can't think of any actress (not the conspicuous absence of the language qualifier) who would have been able to pull that off.

I have told the exact one in another thread long back...PR
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
The ayyago was very much for Saroja Devi

Neenga udanE ennai thAmarai nenjam paakka solluveenga

BTW Saroja Devi talented actress nnu solla mudiyaathunnaalum.. She is entertaining... I like her
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
I can only acknowledge if I got irritated at any point of time, but I didn't.
I highly recommend ThAimanasu starring SaravaNan, Bablu a Prithviraj, Manorama and Vijayakumar.
If you came out unscathed and relishing the sentimental tour-de-force, you can rest assured that you will handle most trying circumstances in life with a fine sense of balance.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
In PGW's Classic Short story "The Clicking of Cuthbert", the hero proposes to his girlfriend and showers praises on her beauty. She modestly denies the praise...
Girl: ....I do acknowledge I am fairly good looking...
Cuthbert: ..fairly good looking ? "Anybody who was content to call you fairly good-looking would describe the Taj Mahal as a pretty nifty tomb."

u talk well and I enjoyed ur example :P
ofcourse I stay put where I am.
Neenga udanE ennai thAmarai nenjam paakka solluveenga
illai solla matten
I probably like her cause she doesn't wail or sniff around much, even when she does, she does it with style and grace and poise. Her expressions are so mild yet sharp, that if u dont watch it with open eyes, u would miss it.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am basing on what is happening and where these talents are. Bollywood, in most case, is too glitzy, glittery, glamorous and when it is not, it becomes pretentious. I keep moving away from it, as and when it attracts me.
Naan sonna athey complain can be used for TFI, but there is some kind of honesty in what is offered here. There is something genuinely intriguing. There are crap of course, and solo heroism still rules the roost (sadly), but if Bollywood is all gold and diamond, here its earth, where things live.
Romba olaritteen-nu ninaikkiren. I shaddap.
(Plus, I must add, we have Rajini and Gounder)
I share similar opinions, but I can't really say it is pretentious when I haven't seen enough of those films.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I probably like her cause she doesn't wail or sniff around much, even when she does, she does it with style and grace and poise. Her expressions are so mild yet sharp, that if u dont watch it with open eyes, u would miss it.
sabhaash sariyaana poatti
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:27 PM
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SP,
Sarojadevi was like a bommai ..Thamizh-a thappu thappa pesinathu azhaga irunthathaala ..sari kannadathu paingiLi-nnu makkal rasichanga ..
Sarojadevi-ya poi saavithri kooda nadippula compare
No offense
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
SP,
Sarojadevi was like a bommai .
u mean S.R. Bommai
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
hamid
Okie.. lets take each department and find out who is the best and which industry he belongs to
like
Direction
Music
Acting
etc etc..
I think and hope TFM has more talent

Direction: One of their best is from TN.
Music: One of their best is from TN
Acting: NT, Kamal. Period.
etc: I vote for TFI.
Groucho, what would you say with respect to current output from both the fields. I note that you are mentioning some all time greats in that list. We are fortunate to have them, but what about the current state of things?
I am basing on what is happening and where these talents are.
Bollywood, in most case, is too glitzy, glittery, glamorous and when it is not, it becomes pretentious. I keep moving away from it, as and when it attracts me.
Groucho,
one of my firend told one that Hindi film never show any films reg poor people or poor - rich love stories.. all films are about rich families etc etc.. is it true?
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am basing on what is happening and where these talents are. Bollywood, in most case, is too glitzy, glittery, glamorous and when it is not, it becomes pretentious. I keep moving away from it, as and when it attracts me.
Naan sonna athey complain can be used for TFI, but there is some kind of honesty in what is offered here. There is something genuinely intriguing. There are crap of course, and solo heroism still rules the roost (sadly), but if Bollywood is all gold and diamond, here its earth, where things live.
Romba olaritteen-nu ninaikkiren. I shaddap.
(Plus, I must add, we have Rajini and Gounder)
I share similar opinions, but I can't really say it is pretentious when I haven't seen enough of those films.
Me too, because I've been scarred.
Here's something that happened in Malaysia that shows the power of TFI. I've mentioned this elsewhere many times.
From the seventies to the late eighties, Hindi films were the rage. Whether its Tamizhians or Malays, all flock to see them. The cassetes sales were high.
Then, in 1989 (I told Joe this) a midget came and blew us away. It was a monster of a film that proved that Tamizh film can be, and is now better than Hindi films.
And it opened many theatres and now minting money for many distributors. Hindi films are fewer on big screen. Most just buy the VCDs. Don't know if it says something, but there you go.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
joe
SP,
Sarojadevi was like a bommai .
u mean S.R. Bommai

Rendu perum relative-a ?
Ore state aache-nnu ketten
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
joe
SP,
Sarojadevi was like a bommai .
u mean S.R. Bommai

Joe post-la political uLkuththu kaNdupidikkiRadhE ungaLukku vElaiyA pOchchu
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 12:30 PM
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Next yaaru? Sachchu-va? Seri..viduvom.. Agree to disagree-lam pottukavum..
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:31 PM
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saroja devi rated higher than savithri???
epdi ipdilam
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid
all films are about rich families etc etc.. is it true?
Not all ..But many,I assume ..Ithai paarthuttu thaan ,many people assume that whole north india is rich ,all people live in big banglaws ..and we are unfortunate to born in this pichaikaara tamil nadu .
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:33 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am basing on what is happening and where these talents are. Bollywood, in most case, is too glitzy, glittery, glamorous and when it is not, it becomes pretentious. I keep moving away from it, as and when it attracts me.
Naan sonna athey complain can be used for TFI, but there is some kind of honesty in what is offered here. There is something genuinely intriguing. There are crap of course, and solo heroism still rules the roost (sadly), but if Bollywood is all gold and diamond, here its earth, where things live.
Romba olaritteen-nu ninaikkiren. I shaddap.
(Plus, I must add, we have Rajini and Gounder)
I share similar opinions, but I can't really say it is pretentious when I haven't seen enough of those films.
Most pomp is not pretentious but is present in middle class and upper middle class families. Their attitude towards life, dressing sense etc are true to a fairly large extent as reg middle class and upper middle class fmlies
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 12:33 PM
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Vanga Viv. Valid point reg. urban sensibility in Bolly films.
Btw, how do you rate Revathi in Kilukkam?
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:34 PM
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We shd never compare HFI and TFI based on the profits/sales alone.. Hindi films has at least triple audience level than TFI..
I think TFI is doing gr8 when u think of such a small percentage of audience it has..
the importance English news channels give to tamil films says it all...
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:34 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
I can only acknowledge if I got irritated at any point of time, but I didn't.
I highly recommend ThAimanasu starring SaravaNan, Bablu a Prithviraj, Manorama and Vijayakumar.
If you came out unscathed and relishing the sentimental tour-de-force, you can rest assured that you will handle most trying circumstances in life with a fine sense of balance.
Idhuku ellama suggestion tharuvaanga. I am actually in the process of learning to enjoy more masala films.. I see that my friends are having some fun watching them which I miss. As a result, I ve seen few films like thenavattu, Kuruvi, Villu in theatre and saw some telugu films in TV :P Quite enjoyable I shd say :P
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
saroja devi rated higher than savithri???
epdi ipdilam
nalla kathaiya irukke, enakku pudichirukku naan rate panren
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 12:35 PM
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Needless to say, evaluation of "good acting" is a mystery..
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
hamid
all films are about rich families etc etc.. is it true?
Not all ..But many,I assume ..Ithai paarthuttu thaan ,many people assume that whole north india is rich ,all people live in big banglaws ..and we are unfortunate to born in this pichaikaara tamil nadu .


ippadiyellaam kuuda yoosikkiraangalaa
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
saroja devi rated higher than savithri???
epdi ipdilam
nalla kathaiya irukke, enakku pudichirukku naan rate panren

ada adhukkunnu oru varaimurai vendama..rating easily one of most irritating actress in tamil cinema along with a good actress!
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Needless to say, evaluation of "good acting" is a mystery..
True, along with overacting, underacting, good bad acting, bad good acting, acting with side order of fries and coke, iipadiyee adikikittu poogalaam.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:39 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
hamid
Groucho,
one of my firend told one that Hindi film never show any films reg poor people or poor - rich love stories.. all films are about rich families etc etc.. is it true?
PR, Nerd, CR
Has this changed with these new wave of directors or is it just a gross generalization?
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:39 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Needless to say, evaluation of "good acting" is a mystery..
True, along with overacting, underacting, good bad acting, bad good acting, acting with side order of fries and coke, iipadiyee adikikittu poogalaam.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:39 PM
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regarding acting
manorama
sridevi
lakshmi(irritating during her early days)
saavithri
revathi are my favs
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:39 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
saroja devi rated higher than savithri???
epdi ipdilam
nalla kathaiya irukke, enakku pudichirukku naan rate panren

ada adhukkunnu oru varaimurai vendama..rating
easily one of most irritating actress in tamil cinema along with a good actress!
ada adhukkunnu oru varaimurai vendama..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:41 PM
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Lakshmi shridevi are great. too
vicky,

I like her . I like her screeching childishness, I like her innocence, her big eyes, her smile, her shy smile, her pride look, just EVERYTHING ABOUT HER. avlo thaan.
most importantly she rarely played all quiet, crying, helpelss women who is a puppet in the hands of a man.
She would argue with her counter part, than poruthu pora pombalai types. I LOVED HER AND still love her for it.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Lakshmi shridevi are great. too
vicky,
I like her . I like her screeching childishness, I like her innocence, her big eyes, her smile, her shy smile, her pride look just EVERYTHING ABOUT HER. avlo thaan.
ohoo!
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From: complicateur
on 21st January 2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
hamid
Groucho,
one of my firend told one that Hindi film never show any films reg poor people or poor - rich love stories.. all films are about rich families etc etc.. is it true?
PR, Nerd, CR
Has this changed with these new wave of directors or is it just a gross generalization?
I apologize for answering out of turn, but it depends on the person writing it. Movies written by second generation film family studios are usually based on affluent families because that is where they come from. But I haven't seen a more honest representation of a middle class family than the one in Khosla ka Ghosla. So I would have to say it is a bit of a generalization.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:44 PM
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amam :P
esp antha kaalathula, ponnunna ipdi thaan irukkanam nnu irukarcha, she DARED to be different. She played relatively daring roles.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
On an average, if we take any random sample a movie of bw and random sample b of tamil mvoie, with similar story pattern, we find sample a dont beat around the bush and is picturised to the point.
Konjam examples kudukka mudiyuma?
Devarmagan ,Nayagan-lam ange remake pannunangale ..athellam Tamil-a vida nalla irunthicha ?
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:45 PM
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sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
She did some good roles too
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
hamid
Groucho,
one of my firend told one that Hindi film never show any films reg poor people or poor - rich love stories.. all films are about rich families etc etc.. is it true?
PR, Nerd, CR
Has this changed with these new wave of directors or is it just a gross generalization?
I apologize for answering out of turn, but it depends on the person writing it. Movies written by second generation film family studios are usually based on affluent families because that is where they come from. But I haven't seen a more honest representation of a middle class family than the one in Khosla ka Ghosla. So I would have to say it is a bit of a generalization.
Why apologize
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Why apologize

Ithu oru pirachanaiya ?
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From: complicateur
on 21st January 2009 12:48 PM
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thamizh: Apologiz because I wasnt one of the 3 the question was posed to. Matter-a vittuttu athula focus paNrIngaLE!
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
Is SP talking about Saroja Devi?
She is wonderful, very able actress, but I will put a few other before her and that includes Sowcar Janaki too. Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a

epdi argue pannarathu therila :P
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
thamizh: Apologiz because I wasnt one of the 3 the question was posed to. Matter-a vittuttu athula focus paNrIngaLE!
hehe, appo thaaney attention divert panna mudiyum :P
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
She did some good roles too

yeah...she did mannan with such ease and arrogance than the highly acclaimed neelambari!
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
Is SP talking about Saroja Devi?
She is wonderful, very able actress, but I will put a few other before her and that includes Sowcar Janaki too. Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).
Well groucho, SD had a charm and fresh beauty along with these traits :P
Thats why I like her (that answres vijayshanthi question too

)
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).
PKS: unnakku somersault adikka varumA
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
She did some good roles too

yeah...she did mannan with such ease and arrogance than the highly acclaimed neelambari!
true.
dramatisation vs realism
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

epdi argue pannarathu therila :P
idhu ippothan ungalukku therinjudha
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
sp,
by ur argument,i think ur most fav heroine is vijayasanthi...she not only argue...but also thooki pOtu midhipanga men a
She did some good roles too

yeah...she did mannan with such ease and arrogance than the highly acclaimed neelambari!
exactly... she did a great job opposite Rajini..
anyway I liked mneelambari too..
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From: complicateur
on 21st January 2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).


ithu "aththa udu aNNan baniyan size 42" range-la irukku!
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 12:52 PM
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ellorum full form-la irukkanga pola
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).
"indha nee sollave illayeppa"
vanakkam mr.arivudai nambi kaliya perumaal
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).
"indha nee sollave illayeppa"
vanakkam mr.arivudai nambi kaliya perumaal
remember "sattaiya kazatti aanila maatinaar"

and theengai seenivasan and rajini's reaction to that ..
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 12:54 PM
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panchaayat la enna thaan theerpu

Illa, naan thaan theerppu sollanumaa
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Why apologize

Ithu oru pirachanaiya ?

ennanga puriyama pesureenga?
mannippu kekuradhu tamilnaatula evlo periya prachana!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

epdi argue pannarathu therila :P
idhu ippothan ungalukku therinjudha
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Idhuku ellama suggestion tharuvaanga. I am actually in the process of learning to enjoy more masala films.. I see that my friends are having some fun watching them which I miss. As a result, I ve seen few films like thenavattu, Kuruvi, Villu in theatre and saw some telugu films in TV :P Quite enjoyable I shd say :P
ayyaa enna soneenga :P
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From: thilak4life
on 21st January 2009 12:55 PM
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"poi velaya parunga da"..
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Can SD climb walls (see Tillu Mullu).
PKS: unnakku somersault adikka varumA
//digr

Again that is like the Friends excerpt you posted.
PR, I really enjoy your knack of posting relevant quotes from everywhere

. Likewise there was this hubber called TSO who had amazing ability to find a film song lyrics to fit into any situation or puzzles and post it. Wonder why he isn't visiting hub any longer

.
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 12:56 PM
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ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Why apologize

Ithu oru pirachanaiya ?

ennanga puriyama pesureenga?
mannippu kekuradhu tamilnaatula evlo periya prachana!
manippu kaetka therinjavan manushan..
mannikka therinjavan periya manusha...
yaarum mannippu kaekaamalayae manikka therinjvana maamaethai..
Naan unga ellaarayum mannichtaen..
TM
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

neengalae sollunga...
Which Heroes are manly?
Hindi or Tamil
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From: P_R
on 21st January 2009 12:58 PM
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Thanks TV.
sondhamA solradhukku oNNu illAdha pOdhu periyavunga sonnadhai recycle paNradhu dhaanE indhiya aRivulaga maRabu
Ok
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
Why apologize

Ithu oru pirachanaiya ?

ennanga puriyama pesureenga?
mannippu kekuradhu tamilnaatula evlo periya prachana!
manippu kaetka therinjavan manushan..
mannikka therinjavan periya manusha...
yaarum mannippu kaekaamalayae manikka therinjvana maamaethai..
Naan unga ellaarayum mannichtaen..
TM

hmm.. ithellaam oru pozappu
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

neengalae sollunga...
Which Heroes are manly?
Hindi or Tamil

I definitely think it is TFI heroes..
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

neengalae sollunga...
Which Heroes are manly?
Hindi or Tamil

Hindi :P hehe
tamil heroes are all oli kuchis and bad looking

minus few
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

yeah on the way to beat the bangalore sweet sambar investigation
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

yeah on the way to beat the bangalore sweet sambar investigation
???
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
tamil heroes are all oli kuchis and bad looking

minus few
This is the kind of discussion we were missing
Welcome Wibhs.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

yeah on the way to beat the bangalore sweet sambar investigation
???

neengellaam location la bangalore nu pottukadheenga
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
tamil heroes are all oli kuchis and bad looking

minus few
Pengal maathiri bolly heroes irukarathaa niraya paechu irukae
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

neengalae sollunga...
Which Heroes are manly?
Hindi or Tamil

Hindi :P hehe
Hindi heroes. with few tamil exceptions.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid
hmm.. ithellaam oru pozappu


Suya vilambaram romba mukkiyam
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
hamid

Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

yeah on the way to beat the bangalore sweet sambar investigation
???

neengellaam location la bangalore nu pottukadheenga

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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:04 PM
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Sometimes I can't tell bolly heroes and heroines apart.
Manliness? Definitely Tamizh heroes, whether they are dark, skinny, good actors or not.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

neengalae sollunga...
Which Heroes are manly?
Hindi or Tamil

Hindi :P hehe
Hindi heroes. with few tamil exceptions.
ithukku eththana paer vaayadachu poaga poaraangalo
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ore naaalula 20 pages-ah?

neengalae sollunga...
Which Heroes are manly?
Hindi or Tamil

Hindi :P hehe
Hindi heroes. with few tamil exceptions.

can u name a few?? maybe jackie sheroff is the only one as per my knowledge...
again....the question is who looks manly?...
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Sometimes I can't tell bolly heroes and heroines apart.
Bommalaattam paartha piragu antha doubt athigamaayiduchu
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
hamid
hmm.. ithellaam oru pozappu


Suya vilambaram romba mukkiyam

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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 01:06 PM
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Arjun rampal
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid

can u name a few?? maybe jackie sheroff is the only one as per my knowledge...
again....the question is who looks manly?...
Hrthik roshan,
Abhishek (has a good body)
Salman Khan- you have to agree
Akshay Kumar- YES
John Abraham
Shah Rukh Khan- 6 pack :P
there are more.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
hamid
can u name a few?? maybe jackie sheroff is the only one as per my knowledge...
again....the question is who looks manly?...
salman, govindaa, sharukh nnu list vara poaguthu... Naan varaendaa saami
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:08 PM
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Wibha, your conclusion is this:
6 Pack: Manliness.
Salman's topless act always remind me of the meat hanging in kasappu kadai. That's about it.
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Sometimes I can't tell bolly heroes and heroines apart.
Manliness? Definitely Tamizh heroes, whether they are dark, skinny, good actors or not.
ummm
dhanush has manliness? or simbhu? or all these new heroes
kamal,rajini and a few others are exceptions but majority of tamil heroes....
either they look like school pasanga or roudies.. not one has the look of a HERO
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Wibha, your conclusion is this:
6 Pack: Manliness.
Salman's topless act always remind me of the meat hanging in kasappu kadai. That's about it.

Deer Meat
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Wibha, your conclusion is this:
6 Pack: Manliness.
Salman's topless act always remind me of the meat hanging in kasappu kadai. That's about it.
no
tamil heroes just don't have the LOOK!! the spark,the charm..
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Wibha, your conclusion is this:
6 Pack: Manliness.
Salman's topless act always remind me of the meat hanging in kasappu kadai. That's about it.

Deer Meat

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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:11 PM
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yaerkanave sonna maathiri bolly thaan ellaathulayum best nnu mudivu pannittu paesa vanthutaangannu thaan thoanuthu
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
yaerkanave sonna maathiri bolly thaan ellaathulayum best nnu mudivu pannittu paesa vanthutaangannu thaan thoanuthu

not really...
there were good tamil movies in like the 80's and 90's.. (yes i have seen them) and before that.. but NOW???
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
Bollywood the love stories are different, there are different genres of movies... and they have always had it.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..

Wibha
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
yaerkanave sonna maathiri bolly thaan ellaathulayum best nnu mudivu pannittu paesa vanthutaangannu thaan thoanuthu

not really...
there were good tamil movies in like the 80's and 90's.. (yes i have seen them) and before that.. but NOW???
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
Bollywood the love stories are different, there are different genres of movies... and they have always had it.
story vidunga..
inga story, acting, music, lyrics, manliness, technicians appadi ippadinnu niraya vishayam paththi paesiyaachu.. ellaathulayum avanga thaan best nnu konjam paer kanna moodittu solra maathiri thaan theriyuthu..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:18 PM
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(lets leave choclatey)
Abhishek
Amitabh
salman
j.abraham
arjun rampal
suresh oberoi
jackie shroff
shatruhan sinha
dharmendra
manoj
sanjay khan
nazruddin
saif
to name a few, who outnumber few like
NT
nizhalgaL ravi
rajeev
KH
RK
surya
( karthik, gemni, maddy and shaam belong to choclatey so lets leave them )
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
(lets leave choclatey)
Abhishek
salman
j.abraham
arjun rampal
suresh oberoi
jackie shroff
shatruhan sinha
dharmendra
manoj
sanjay khan
nazruddin
saif
to name a few, who outnumber few like
NT
nizhalgaL ravi
rajeev
KH
RK
surya
( karthik, gemni, maddy and shaam belong to choclatey so lets leave them )
"mouna ragam" "agni natchathiram" karthik choclatey...but banian potta salman manly...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:21 PM
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Salman has physique and much macho voice vickky.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
story vidunga..
inga story, acting, music, lyrics, manliness, technicians appadi ippadinnu niraya vishayam paththi paesiyaachu.. ellaathulayum avanga thaan best nnu konjam paer kanna moodittu solra maathiri thaan theriyuthu..

TM - inga seyvadhillai enbadhu dhaan pala per vaadham, seyya mudiyadhu enbadhillai. As discussed already, it is infact many from TFI itself going and proving their worth there. Aana our audience mindset and filmmakers have no plans of starting such a trend here
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Salman has physique and much macho voice vickky.
physique doesnt make a man manly sp!...appo gunda irukura ladieslam not femininea?
the way karthik looked in mouna ragam or agni natchathiram is manliness...
karthik also has a macho voice!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:23 PM
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ohhhhhhh how did I miss the macho AKSHAY kumar
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Salman has physique and much macho voice vickky.
physique doesnt make a man manly sp!...appo gunda irukura ladieslam not femininea?
the way karthik looked in mouna ragam or agni natchathiram is manliness...
karthik also has a macho voice!
Agree. If needed, he can be rough and tough. Watch Amaran too.
Wow. Karthik vs Salman.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Salman has physique and much macho voice vickky.
physique doesnt make a man manly sp!...appo gunda irukura ladieslam not femininea?
the way karthik looked in mouna ragam or agni natchathiram is manliness...
karthik also has a macho voice!
physque does not mean GUNDU vicky. For heaven sake physique means a well maintained body with right voice, flat abs, mannerism, smile, majestic look, height, attitude and what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 01:26 PM
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Hirthik Roshan always reminds me Vaiyapuri
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:27 PM
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Hritik reminds me of VOWVAAL i.e. bat face
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
physque does not mean GUNDU vicky. For heaven sake physique means a well maintained body with right voice, flat abs, mannerism, smile, majestic look, height, attitude and what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
adhathan naanum soldren!
vijayakanth had none of these...except that majestic look!
he is one of the most manly heroes in the industry...well in the late eighties and early nineties..we are talking abt manliness...not looks!
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
How one can carry himself ?
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From: avven
on 21st January 2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Hirthik Roshan always reminds me Vaiyapuri

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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Hirthik Roshan always reminds me Vaiyapuri

Spot On! I thought so when watching that period movie where he has horrible fake mustache. Somehow he seemed to be pyshically mismatched. Like a badly made crossword puzzle. Well, can't complain much.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
story vidunga..
inga story, acting, music, lyrics, manliness, technicians appadi ippadinnu niraya vishayam paththi paesiyaachu.. ellaathulayum avanga thaan best nnu konjam paer kanna moodittu solra maathiri thaan theriyuthu..

TM - inga seyvadhillai enbadhu dhaan pala per vaadham, seyya mudiyadhu enbadhillai. As discussed already, it is infact many from TFI itself going and proving their worth there. Aana our audience mindset and filmmakers have no plans of starting such a trend here
I agree for certain things. Ippa paechukku jollyaa thaan manliness paththi sonnaen.. athula kooda avanga thaan nnu solratha i cant agree at all..like that few more.. Pothuvaa solrathu ngrathu vaera..konjam examples vachi sonnaalaavathu paravaa illa.. inga niraya paerukku bolly access romba kammi thaan.. Konjam data koduththaa counter argue panrathu vasathiyaa irukkum...
Manly nnu kaetaa Salma manly

well for them they have certain criteria for manliness
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
this sentence is a contradiction of ur first part
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
physque does not mean GUNDU vicky. For heaven sake physique means a well maintained body with right voice, flat abs, mannerism, smile, majestic look, height, attitude and what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
adhathan naanum soldren!
vijayakanth had none of these...except that majestic look!
he is one of the most manly heroes in the industry...well in the late eighties and early nineties..we are talking abt manliness...not looks!
Early days vj was really arrogant and kinda macho looking agreed, NOT ANYMORE.
Maintenance of body is ALSO important. Appo partha japan sumo wrestler kooda macho aagalam. with big tummies and double chin.
Sorry.
They are in showbiz, they need to maintain their looks and be presentable.
I also agree vj was more manly than murali. Though early vj and murali was handsome acc to me.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
falling in love with some girl naaley kandipa adhu oru keanai or paradesi ya thaa irukkum.. what is wrong here?
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:30 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
this sentence is a contradiction of ur first part

ITs every ingredient put together.
Looks ALSO plays role.
Carryingoneself also plays role.
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
falling in love with some girl naaley kandipa adhu oru keanai or paradesi ya thaa irukkum.. what is wrong here?

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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
falling in love with some girl naaley kandipa adhu oru keanai or paradesi ya thaa irukkum.. what is wrong here?

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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
falling in love with some girl naaley kandipa adhu oru keanai or paradesi ya thaa irukkum.. what is wrong here?

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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:32 PM
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Looks vendam, just carrying oneself is enough na, we have enough men in our own families.
Macho men in every family or can even find them on streets and common areas.
Lets talk about COMPLETE package.
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
this sentence is a contradiction of ur first part

ITs every ingredient put together.
Looks ALSO plays role.
Carryingoneself also plays role.
All Bolly (current) heroes look like they come from the same factory. Athey look, athey spec and pec, athey inability to sport facial hair and look either ridiculous or like Bigfoot's first cousin. Rather than those names, they should call themselves T1000, T800, etc.
At least we have variety here in TFI...and most of them are very manly. I said, most.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
this sentence is a contradiction of ur first part

ITs every ingredient put together.
Looks ALSO plays role.
Carryingoneself also plays role.
appo good looking girls mattum than feminine a?...
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Hirthik Roshan always reminds me Vaiyapuri

poor hrithik...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:35 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
what makes a man macho is HOW HE CARRIES HIMSELF.
this sentence is a contradiction of ur first part

ITs every ingredient put together.
Looks ALSO plays role.
Carryingoneself also plays role.
appo good looking girls mattum than feminine a?...


Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Looks vendam, just carrying oneself is enough na, we have enough men in our own families.
Macho men in every family or can even find them on streets and common areas.
Lets talk about COMPLETE package.
We are not talking about how many NORMAL people are manly or feminine.
We are talking about FILM industry esp HEROS where looks do play a role .
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From: avven
on 21st January 2009 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
falling in love with some girl naaley kandipa adhu oru keanai or paradesi ya thaa irukkum.. what is wrong here?

epaadi thamizhvaanan ipaadi ellam...
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Looks vendam, just carrying oneself is enough na, we have enough men in our own families.
Macho men in every family or can even find them on streets and common areas.
Lets talk about COMPLETE package.
forget it.. they won't understand...and how one describes manliness differs..
anyday Bollywood heroes are so much better.. looks and body and language..
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:37 PM
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let us move to next topic..
which heroines are feminine..
bolly or kolly
Me going for a training
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:37 PM
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Normal aa therula pora gundu lady
gundu man, double chinned lady or man, you or me, everybody has our own share or manliness and feminism.
Naanum neengalum, gu ndu ladyum gundu aalum hero heroine-a nadicha, evanum 100 rupee kuduthu padam parka vara mattaan.
Just like how a sw engg need to get updated with stuffs, these showbiz ppl need to groom the4selves, cause, THEY ENCASH their looks too.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
avven

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
falling in love with some girl naaley kandipa adhu oru keanai or paradesi ya thaa irukkum.. what is wrong here?

epaadi thamizhvaanan ipaadi ellam...

he is in love with some girl
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
I agree for certain things. Ippa paechukku jollyaa thaan manliness paththi sonnaen.. athula kooda avanga thaan nnu solratha i cant agree at all..like that few more.. Pothuvaa solrathu ngrathu vaera..konjam examples vachi sonnaalaavathu paravaa illa.. inga niraya paerukku bolly access romba kammi thaan.. Konjam data koduththaa counter argue panrathu vasathiyaa irukkum...
Manly nnu kaetaa Salma manly

well for them they have certain criteria for manliness


I guess the manly thing we look for mainly is a Mush - enna seyya even Prashant looks manly with a Moustache. But South andha argument la wins hands down though its a cultural feel i guess
As for movie standards one thing i hate abt bollywood is that they themselves feel they
'only' are superior. adha vache matha film industriesa iruttadippu seyvadhu

They do not recognise or appreciate movies from south. aana adhe samayam namma technicians venum. Idhukku thamizh layum superior movies panna avanga mookudaikka sariyaaga irukkum enbadhe en karuthu
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:39 PM
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Whether a man is manly or not, a WOMAN determines it :P
So wibhs and me should not be questined here
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:39 PM
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sp,
i know loks play a role in film industry...but what role does it play in ones manliness...
isnt kaundamani manly as "anjasingam" is manly ...
senthamarai is manly
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:40 PM
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apdi ilai vicky, majestic aa carry panrathu avanga nambalai vida better aa PORTRAY panraanga esp, wrt movies.
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:40 PM
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I am surprised nobody is using the words "Pretty boys" here
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Whether a man is manly or not, a WOMAN determines it :P
So wibhs and me should not be questined here

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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:41 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am surprised nobody is using the words "Pretty boys" here
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am surprised nobody is using the words "Pretty boys" here
Thats why we left out all choclate and lollypop heroes who ALSO are our favourites :P
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am surprised nobody is using the words "Pretty boys" here
hehe that's cuz we're talking about manly :P
pretty boys are manly but in different ways...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:43 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am surprised nobody is using the words "Pretty boys" here
hehe that's cuz we're talking about manly :P
pretty boys are manly but in different ways...

See even a small girl like wibhs know the diff
Even a elderly woman like me know the diff
..
so, WE KNOW what we talk here
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
I am surprised nobody is using the words "Pretty boys" here
hehe that's cuz we're talking about manly :P
pretty boys are manly but in different ways...

Well, the names you and SP listed are "pretty boys" in my list.
SP, I saw Joda Akhbar, Hirthik is totally miscast in it. What majestic? The stray cat near my apartment look more majestic than him in that movie.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:44 PM
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Groucho,
I dont rate hrithik in my list. I aint fond of him :P
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Groucho,
I dont rate hrithik in my list. I aint fond of him :P
only the manly salman khan eh!
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
apdi ilai vicky, majestic aa carry panrathu avanga nambalai vida better aa PORTRAY panraanga esp, wrt movies.
I meant that. Let's not even talk about SRK. Watch Hey Ram and you know difference between someone majestic and a wimp.
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Well, the names you and SP listed are "pretty boys" in my list.
SP, I saw Joda Akhbar, Hirthik is totally miscast in it. What majestic? The stray cat near my apartment look more majestic than him in that movie.
He was good in JA although there was one scene in which he looked totally gay in his *majestic* walk..
he was great in Dhoom
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Groucho,
I dont rate hrithik in my list. I aint fond of him :P
only the manly salman khan eh!
Read other men in my list vicky
Ive listedn around 10 or more
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:47 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
apdi ilai vicky, majestic aa carry panrathu avanga nambalai vida better aa PORTRAY panraanga esp, wrt movies.
I meant that. Let's not even talk about SRK. Watch Hey Ram and you know difference between someone majestic and a wimp.
I DONT rate srk manly. He is not even choclatey. He is charming in a weird kinda way. thats all.
When KH is around, ofcourse we know who wins hands down
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 01:47 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Whether a man is manly or not, a WOMAN determines it :P
So wibhs and me should not be questined here

neenga seri.. aana wibhs?
See how skillfully she U turned the whole discussion

Keep it up Arshu
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 01:48 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
apdi ilai vicky, majestic aa carry panrathu avanga nambalai vida better aa PORTRAY panraanga esp, wrt movies.
I meant that. Let's not even talk about SRK. Watch Hey Ram and you know difference between someone majestic and a wimp.
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
apdi ilai vicky, majestic aa carry panrathu avanga nambalai vida better aa PORTRAY panraanga esp, wrt movies.
I meant that. Let's not even talk about SRK. Watch Hey Ram and you know difference between someone majestic and a wimp.
of course kamal is manlier than SRK.. no doubts about it...
SRK falls into both categories depending on the movies
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:49 PM
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abiishek and amitabh
accepted!
u missed the most manly hero of this generation "Ajith"
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 01:50 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
avven

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha
it's always a mass movie or the story of a keanai/paradesi falling in love with some girl and their love story... nothing's different..
falling in love with some girl naaley kandipa adhu oru keanai or paradesi ya thaa irukkum.. what is wrong here?

epaadi thamizhvaanan ipaadi ellam...

he is in love with some girl

Yup. TM kareeta kandu pidichutaaru... elaam anubhavam pesudhu
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
abiishek and amitabh
accepted!
u missed the most manly hero of this generation "Ajith"
I aint fond of ajith's voice and mannerisms. He is very very handsome and charming.
Ajit vitruvom
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 01:50 PM
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In fact, I'd suggest you watch Rajini and Kamal in their Hindi movies and how they stack up against the Bolly counterpart. End of discussion.
Viv, I agree on Amitabh a bit. He was a true tough guy at that time.
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
abiishek and amitabh
accepted!
u missed the most manly hero of this generation "Ajith"
is there any other manly hero?

other than ajith?
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:51 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Whether a man is manly or not, a WOMAN determines it :P
So wibhs and me should not be questined here

neenga seri.. aana wibhs?
See how skillfully she U turned the whole discussion

Keep it up Arshu

adapaavi

I am innocent
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 01:51 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
abiishek and amitabh
accepted!
u missed the most manly hero of this generation "Ajith"
is there any other manly hero?

other than ajith?
Surya, Vikram
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
abiishek and amitabh
accepted!
u missed the most manly hero of this generation "Ajith"
is there any other manly hero?

other than ajith?
Surya?
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by
HonestRaj

Originally Posted by
HonestRaj

Originally Posted by
Nerd
Multiplex hits like kAkka kAkka etc. suffered in Trichy.
Kovai-layum 50 days-than oadiyadhu.. adha sonna yarum namburadhillai (most people believe that KK is a bigger hit)
last post mattum vechu reply pannitaen

aana discussion-e vera-nu last 3 page padichadhum purinjudhu :P
KK was a big hit in B centres too bcos of its very low cost.. for such a low budget movie, it took a super opening.. the ROI shud have been very high.. any tamil movie collects 80% of its total collection in its first 25 days or less.. so the days count is meaningless.
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 01:53 PM
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aaha. innum mudivu pannalaiyaa???
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 01:53 PM
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Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
abiishek and amitabh
accepted!
u missed the most manly hero of this generation "Ajith"
is there any other manly hero?

other than ajith?
Surya, Vikram

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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:54 PM
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Does vikram still act?
Surya-naahh he's just likee borderline I would say...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
In fact, I'd suggest you watch Rajini and Kamal in their Hindi movies and how they stack up against the Bolly counterpart. End of discussion.
Viv, I agree on Amitabh a bit. He was a true tough guy at that time.
You never saw my few exceptions in tfi which INCLUDED KH AND RK.
Ive not seen kamal and rajni's hindi movies.
I do recollect one movie where kh and rishi with dimple were featured, rishi was equally good. (movie per maranthu pochu, dimple had a name maria) I cant say KH overshadowed rishi.
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Nerd
AFAIK, A center in TN is a joke. Sathyam, Abhirmi, Mayajaal etc in chennai and a few theaters in Madurai, KOvai thaviRa ellAmE B and C dhAn. For example, I would term Trichy (a corporation and all that) as a B center. Kalyasi/Equanimus will agree I believe. Multiplex hits like kAkka kAkka etc. suffered in Trichy.
from what i gather from CR/Anban and Nerd's posts is that you all refer to theatres and mark them as A/B/C. For instance Anban was saying Sathyam/Devi is A and Vettri/Ragesh is B etc and thereby the categorisation is financial. I till date had an impression that Cities are A/Towns B and Villages C
How do the filmmakers/distributors classify A/B/C centers - is it on the same lines as Sathyam/Devi is A and Vettri/Ragesh is B and so on or based on towns/cities?
in chennai, A centre ppl go to specific theatres.. but in other towns like Trichy, every theatre is a mix of all centres.. we can say that the Balcony and A class seats are A centres and so on..
nowadays we have some adlabs screens all over TN, these are A centres for sure..
VA had a good run in even normal single screens...
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Direct Hit,
Irrespective of City/Town/Village ..ticke rates clearly tell you the difference.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
Does vikram still act?
Surya-naahh he's just likee
borderline I would say...

ennA pEsureenga?
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:55 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
Illai. I do like heroes with meesai as long as it looks good on them.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:56 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
Meesai is not the only tthing sridhar.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 01:56 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
Illai. I do like heroes with meesai as long as it looks good on them.
shabaaa!!
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:56 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Wibha
Does vikram still act?
Surya-naahh he's just likee borderline I would say...
ohh...appappo meesai vekurarulla?
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:56 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
Wibha
Does vikram still act?
Surya-naahh he's just likee
borderline I would say...

ennA pEsureenga?

he's not manly
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 01:56 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
Meesai is not the only tthing sridhar.
dhAdi too-va?
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:57 PM
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Surya is
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
Meesai is not the only tthing sridhar.
dhaadiyayum eduthudanumO?
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
And even inside the mainstream, can one imagine a film like TZP in Tamil?
I don't know you mean the complexity of the subject or a top hero acting in such non-commercial movie..
TZP is a commercial hit? If Yes ,really appreciated ,but if any unknown actor in place of Aaamer ,i don't know how will be the result.
The saddest truth is great artists who rank in top positions dont take up such movies or dont play it slow and quiet. They wanna rock their movie, satisfy all kinda fans and hence a mini meal with all possible ingredient is offered. Each can take what they want.
the most saddest truth is family audience supporting such movies from those top actors..
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 01:57 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
Wibha
Does vikram still act?
Surya-naahh he's just likee
borderline I would say...

ennA pEsureenga?

he's not manly

What do you mean manly??
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:57 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
Meesai is not the only tthing sridhar.
dhAdi too-va?

UGH
we're talking about the typical MACHO MAN!!
meesai illatiyum he can be THE MAN..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:58 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Wibhs pondra ladies kellAm meesa vaikkama irrundha thAn pudikudhu? Eg: Madhavan, Sidharth
Meesai is not the only tthing sridhar.
dhAdi too-va?

actually u remember an actor called
SHEKHAR KAPOOR? He was my fav too.
HE is one of the MOST MANLY person

and was also featured as top handsome 100 of india.
He had a nice beard and a moustache
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

for once he was not as fiery as I imagined, ayyo sonna surukkula ethaanum vaya vechu solli mattikka poren

inga thaan ippadi.. naerla kalyaanam aana parithaaba aan jenmangal maathiri potti paambaaa iruppapla

naanum apdi thaan

nerla romba quiet :P
//dign
naan romba ellaam quiet kedaiyaathu.. ooru pechcha namba vendaam
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Anban
i know that, u r very very afraid of arguing with me.. I AM VERY SORRY for that..

Neenga yaaru
Karthikeyana

ithu theriyaathaa??

i thought that u wud have spotted me immediately..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban
naan romba ellaam quiet kedaiyaathu.. ooru pechcha namba vendaam

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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
and... ADD voice, mannerism, attitude, and HOW HE CARRIES himself.
....
romba kashtam ....happa
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
Sam Anderson maadhri pola?!!
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
SRK falls into both categories depending on the movies


idhaan versatality aa
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:01 PM
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
In fact, I'd suggest you watch Rajini and Kamal in their Hindi movies and how they stack up against the Bolly counterpart. End of discussion.
Viv, I agree on Amitabh a bit. He was a true tough guy at that time.
You never saw my few exceptions in tfi which INCLUDED KH AND RK.
Ive not seen kamal and rajni's hindi movies.
I do recollect one movie where kh and rishi with dimple were featured, rishi was equally good. (movie per maranthu pochu, dimple had a name maria) I cant say KH overshadowed rishi.
I saw

Just that I made comparison. The film is Saagar, where Kamal outacts everyone, but that is a tale for different thread.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:01 PM
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Saagar yeah

I felt kamal and rishi were good

sad no thread to di scuss old hindi movies
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
and... ADD voice, mannerism, attitude, and HOW HE CARRIES himself.
....
romba kashtam ....happa

that's right VOICE.. how could I forget

it goes on
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...

OMG!!!
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:02 PM
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VIV,SS,DH
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:03 PM
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Now, lets change.
Where do u think heroines are portrayed more FEMININE?
kw or bw.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 21st January 2009 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I do recollect one movie where kh and rishi with dimple were featured, rishi was equally good. (movie per maranthu pochu, dimple had a name maria)
Sagar marandhutteengala?
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From: crajkumar_be
on 21st January 2009 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Now, lets change.
Where do u think heroines are portrayed more FEMININE?
kw or bw.
Ravi Krishna
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 02:04 PM
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intha aatathukku naan varalai.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Now, lets change.
Where do u think heroines are portrayed more FEMININE?
kw or bw.
keralite girls...their languabe itself adds some feminity to their attitude...as its so rhyming and beautiful
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I do recollect one movie where kh and rishi with dimple were featured, rishi was equally good. (movie per maranthu pochu, dimple had a name maria)
Sagar marandhutteengala?

I forget movie names,dialogues, book names, authos

I am very forgetful, I do remembr the story
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...
yeah..
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From: avven
on 21st January 2009 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...
mudiyala
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Now, lets change.
Where do u think heroines are portrayed more FEMININE?
kw or bw.
keralite girls...their languabe itself adds some feminity to their attitudes..as its so rhyming and beautiful
hmm
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...
yeah..

ungalukelaam poramai.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:07 PM
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FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
ungalukelaam poramai.

seriously
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
ungalukelaam poramai.

aammaaa...andha bommaya paathu engalukella orE poraama
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From: avven
on 21st January 2009 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Now, lets change.
Where do u think heroines are portrayed more FEMININE?
kw or bw.
nalaa velai panika..inga sirichi sirichi heart attack vara mari ayudichu..
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine
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From: Raikkonen
on 21st January 2009 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
ayyaye... prasanth fan-ah neenga
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Now, lets change.
Where do u think heroines are portrayed more FEMININE?
kw or bw.
in many tamil heroines are portrayed like thimiru pidicha ppl and things like that it's really sad

or adanga pidaaris
in hindi always charming,cute, adorable characters
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

synonym keatta testla antonymthan eludhuveengalo!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
ungalukelaam poramai.

aammaaa...andha bommaya paathu engalukella orE poraama
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...
yeah..

ungalukelaam poramai.

Poraamai ellaaam illa. unmayilayae pengal, aambalainga javuli kadai bommai maathiri look la irukka aasaipaduraangalo illayo.. behaviour la antha maathiri irukanumnu thaan aasaipaduraanga
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

synonym keatta testla antonymthan eludhuveengalo!
illa adhaan answer.
Thats why when a man is lil graceful he reminds us of femnity.
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
Raikkonen

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
ayyaye... prasanth fan-ah neenga
add jeyam ravi, Kunal, vineeth, vinay, etc ..
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
appo javuli kadai bommai is the manliest thing!...
yeah..

ungalukelaam poramai.

Poraamai ellaaam illa. unmayilayae pengal, aambalainga javuli kadai bommai maathiri look la irukka aasaipaduraangalo illayo.. behaviour la antha maathiri irukanumnu thaan aasaipaduraanga

TM,
eppa chance kidaichaaluim vidarathilla pola.. appadi enna ungalukku pirachinai?
ooh..kalyaanam aakiducha
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:12 PM
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Vijayakanth is manly
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
Poraamai ellaaam illa. unmayilayae pengal, aambalainga javuli kadai bommai maathiri look la irukka aasaipaduraangalo illayo.. behaviour la antha maathiri irukanumnu thaan aasaipaduraanga

ofcourse not..
bommai-ya thittina reaction kadaikaadhu
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Saagar yeah

I felt kamal and rishi were good

sad no thread to di scuss old hindi movies

start a thread in the Indian films section..
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Vijayakanth is manly

he's so short and has no neck

(sorry vjkanth fans)
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha
ithula enna ivvalavu sirrippu??
veyil-la ukkaanthuttu browse pannuriyaa?
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Vijayakanth is manly

avarukku six packs irukka?...

he had such a manly body language...oru thenavettu,thimuru etc
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Vijayakanth is manly

he's so short and has no neck

(sorry vjkanth fans)
pazhaiya padangalil he had a NOTICEABLE neck
double chin is his BIGGEST DRAWBACK
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Vijayakanth is manly

he's so short and has no neck

(sorry vjkanth fans)
suththam!
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From: Anban
on 21st January 2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Wibha
ithula enna ivvalavu sirrippu??
veyil-la ukkaanthuttu browse pannuriyaa?

engaoorula raathirila veyyil adikaadhu
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??
feminine= slim, defined features, cute, and can go on
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
What do you mean manly??
taller than average, well built body, muscles, fit, trim, no thoppai, smart...
Sathyaraj, Sibiraj??
Hello Vijayakanth-ku enna korachal??!!!
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??

hayyo hayyo
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??
feminine= slim, defined features, cute, and can go on

kiran bedi is slim and looks good too...avunga epdi..romba feminineo?
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
Sathyaraj, Sibiraj??
Hello Vijayakanth-ku enna korachal??!!!

sathyaraj has an ANNOYING VOICE!! ughh..
sibiraj- EWW
vjkanth dhaan sonene
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
kiran bedi is slim and looks good too...avunga epdi..romba feminineo?
Well, you have to tell me
what is feminine to guys?
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From: avven
on 21st January 2009 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
Anban

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha

Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
FEMININE neengalE meaning sollidunga?
Anything which is NOT MANLY is feminine

appo,
very short.. big thoppai.. ithu maathiriyaa??

hayyo hayyo

enoru round-da
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:21 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
kiran bedi is slim and looks good too...avunga epdi..romba feminineo?
Well, you have to tell me
what is feminine to guys?

anything that is not masculine is feminine!
anything that is not feminine is masculine!
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
kiran bedi is slim and looks good too...avunga epdi..romba feminineo?
Well, you have to tell me
what is feminine to guys?

It differs... asingama-la irrundhu arpudhamana pala answers varum paravAlaya?
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
anything that is not masculine is feminine!
anything that is not feminine is masculine!
cool, Now we know what feminine and masculine is
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
It differs... asingama-la irrundhu arpudhamana pala answers varum paravAlaya?
How about keeping it Rated PG

:P
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
kiran bedi is slim and looks good too...avunga epdi..romba feminineo?
Well, you have to tell me
what is feminine to guys?

Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
kiran bedi is slim and looks good too...avunga epdi..romba feminineo?
Well, you have to tell me
what is feminine to guys?

Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
athenna girls ku mattum physical,mental,emotional stages?guys ku mattum only looks to make them manly? :grr: doesn't make sense
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:32 PM
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No wibhs,
Thts why I included, MANNERISM, AND ATTITUDE.
They need to be BOLD someone who could take charge and control of any siutation. Thats manliness.
Now we are out of bounds of film industry.
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
athenna girls ku mattum physical,mental,emotional stages?guys ku mattum only looks to make them manly? :grr: doesn't make sense

That's what you have been harping on just now. Nobody talked about wits, intelligence, all six packs and charm and majesty-nnu criteria koduttengga. We value gal's inner self, I mean, emotionally and mentally.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 21st January 2009 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
athenna girls ku mattum physical,mental,emotional stages?guys ku mattum only looks to make them manly? :grr: doesn't make sense

coz girls can be screwed up in all these stages, while men are in general very stable
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From: Vivasaayi
on 21st January 2009 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
guys ku mattum only looks to make them manly? :grr: doesn't make sense
idhenna same side goala?
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 02:34 PM
[Full View]

Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
athenna girls ku mattum physical,mental,emotional stages?guys ku mattum only looks to make them manly? :grr: doesn't make sense

coz girls can be screwed up in all these stages, while men are in general very stable

aaha... bw Vs kw la aarambichu manorama saavithiri poyy ippa men Vs women vanthu nikkuthu.. innum ennenna aaka pookuthoo
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
No wibhs,
Thts why I included, MANNERISM, AND ATTITUDE.
They need to be BOLD someone who could take charge and control of any siutation. Thats manliness.
Now we are out of bounds of film industry.
but in general while talking about guys only looks comes... even I do that...
yea attitude matters a lot
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
That's what you have been harping on just now. Nobody talked about wits, intelligence, all six packs and charm and majesty-nnu criteria koduttengga. We value gal's inner self, I mean, emotionally and mentally.
no there are other things to add to the manliness.. i just didn't state them

I forgot hehe my bad
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From: groucho070
on 21st January 2009 02:38 PM
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Aamaa...all talk about "I am looking for man with good heart and great sense of humour" and end up drooling at Salman Khan who's sense of humour has been deftly dealt with a deer.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
That's what you have been harping on just now. Nobody talked about wits, intelligence, all six packs and charm and majesty-nnu criteria koduttengga. We value gal's inner self, I mean, emotionally and mentally.
no there are other things to add to the manliness.. i just didn't state them

I forgot hehe my bad

There you are ippo Vijayakanth pOndra aatkalai pOttu pArunga!
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 21st January 2009 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Aamaa...all talk about "I am looking for man with good heart and great sense of humour" and end up drooling at Salman Khan who's sense of humour has been deftly dealt with a deer.
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Aamaa...all talk about "I am looking for man with good heart and great sense of humour" and end up drooling at Salman Khan who's sense of humour has been deftly dealt with a deer.
We spoke manliness wrt to film industry groucho.
In real life, what is manliness differs

(again a biggggg list :P )
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Aamaa...all talk about "I am looking for man with good heart and great sense of humour" and end up drooling at Salman Khan who's sense of humour has been deftly dealt with a deer.
salman is funny (at times.) but he's a really cool guy :P
great sense of humor and good heart

there's more to this..
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From: Wibha
on 21st January 2009 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar
There you are ippo Vijayakanth pOndra aatkalai pOttu pArunga!

naaahh he still doesn't fit...
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From: Hulkster
on 21st January 2009 02:46 PM
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This is kollywood vs Bollywood right?
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From: hamid
on 21st January 2009 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
Hulkster
This is kollywood vs Bollywood right?
this was...
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 03:48 PM
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Salman Khan = Manly
yeah Trisha and Shreya can act better than Savithri
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 03:51 PM
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Silent for more than an hour
Shall we come to conclusion that..
All bolly heroines are Manly and
All bolly heroes are feminine
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 03:52 PM
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Sarna, tm,
If u think that response is gonna invite another one from me, defending my choice, then u are thoroughly mistaken
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Sarna, tm,
If u think that response is gonna invite another one from me, defending my choice, then u are thoroughly mistaken


appa innaikku entertainment mudinji poachunnu solreengalaa
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 03:57 PM
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:P
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan

Originally Posted by
Wibha

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Physically?
Very simple. Physically, they should all come in great pairs.
Mathapadi, emotional, mental state-nu pala stages irukkuthumaa....
athenna girls ku mattum physical,mental,emotional stages?guys ku mattum only looks to make them manly? :grr: doesn't make sense

coz girls can be screwed up in all these stages, while men are in general very stable

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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Sarna, tm,
If u think that response is gonna invite another one from me, defending my choice, then u are thoroughly mistaken

unmailayE Manliness'naa ennanu ungalukku theriyumaa
enna pEsa vakkaadheenga
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 04:00 PM
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6 hoursla 25 pages
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 04:00 PM
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
6 hoursla 25 pages

Bold, Brilliant and Beautiful
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From: Thirumaran
on 21st January 2009 04:02 PM
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anoop i did not miss anything..
I am in a training and accessing in between.. no time to involve seriously
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
Sarna, tm,
If u think that response is gonna invite another one from me, defending my choice, then u are thoroughly mistaken

unmailayE Manliness'naa ennanu ungalukku theriyumaa
enna pEsa vakkaadheenga

Sarna,
ennai neenga pesa vekkatheenga? Kanna pinannu ethaanum sollida poren
What kinda question is that? Lets not proceed on this note. Fullstop.
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From: directhit
on 21st January 2009 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
anoop i did not miss anything..
I am in a training and accessing in between.. no time to involve seriously


training - good

paavam nadatharavan

neenga thaan training kudukkaradhunu sollidadheenga
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From: Cinemarasigan
on 21st January 2009 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
directhit

Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
anoop i did not miss anything..
I am in a training and accessing in between.. no time to involve seriously


training - good

paavam nadatharavan

neenga thaan training kudukkaradhunu sollidadheenga

Naan training kudukkaraar-nu thaan nenaichen..
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From: steveaustin
on 21st January 2009 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
Thirumaran
6 hoursla 25 pages

TM,
Contents pathi oNNum sollavE illa...
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:29 PM
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Kollywood vs Hollywood'nu oru thread aarambikkalaamaa
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
Kollywood vs Hollywood'nu oru thread aarambikkalaamaa

Baasha puriyaathu paravaa illayaa
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
Kollywood vs Hollywood'nu oru thread aarambikkalaamaa

Baasha puriyaathu paravaa illayaa

means mozhi

adhu purinjaa enna puriyala'na enna

ulla poondhu kabad aada vEndiyadhudhaan
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 09:36 PM
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Venumna Tamil subtitles kuduka sollalaam
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna
Venumna Tamil subtitles kuduka sollalaam


adhuvum saridhaan
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From: Raikkonen
on 21st January 2009 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna
Venumna Tamil subtitles kuduka sollalaam

tamil vs korea language movies nu onnu arambikkalam. Inga korea films fans kooda irukkanga
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 09:40 PM
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ithu veraiyaa

y waiting? start pannuuuuuu
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From: Raikkonen
on 21st January 2009 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna
ithu veraiyaa

y waiting? start pannuuuuuu

etha ? new id create panrathaya
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:43 PM
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Ramakrishna,
Unga avatar
Enna function athu?
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
Raikkonen

Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna
ithu veraiyaa

y waiting? start pannuuuuuu

etha ? new id create panrathaya

athayum simultaneous pannu. Oru 10-15 panni vechuko, future la use aagum
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
Raikkonen

Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna
Venumna Tamil subtitles kuduka sollalaam

tamil vs
korea language movies nu onnu arambikkalam. Inga korea films fans kooda irukkanga

aarambikkalaam

but
1. korea language'la ezhudhura maadhiri lyrics ezhudha namma thamizh'la yaaraavudhu irukkaangalaa kEkka aarambichchiduvaanga

2. korean TV serial paaththuttu vandhu korean movies dhaan best'nu comment pannuvaanga

3. manly'na korean heroes dhaanu solvaanga
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From: Raikkonen
on 21st January 2009 09:48 PM
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ada athu koda paravalla Sarna... Korea national award-le thillu mullu ellam nadanthirukkunnu vera solluvanga..
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Ramakrishna,
Unga avatar
Enna function athu?

athaan enakkum theriyala....I downloaded it from Yahoo arr fan group. anga function pathi description ethuvum illa
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Raikkonen
ada athu koda paravalla Sarna... Korea national award-le thillu mullu ellam nadanthirukkunnu vera solluvanga..
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna

Originally Posted by
joe
Ramakrishna,
Unga avatar
Enna function athu?

athaan enakkum theriyala....I downloaded it from Yahoo arr fan group. anga function pathi description ethuvum illa

NT's costume is same in Chevalier award Function ..So must be in that period (1995)
In this thread people talk about manlyness and majesty.
Majesty = NT
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 09:58 PM
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SP akka, bollywood majesty yaaru
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 21st January 2009 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Majesty = NT

adhu
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From: joe
on 21st January 2009 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna

Originally Posted by
joe
Ramakrishna,
Unga avatar
Enna function athu?

athaan enakkum theriyala....I downloaded it from Yahoo arr fan group.
anga function pathi description ethuvum illa 
I found it.
Sri. Sivaji Ganesan conferring the title 'Gana kaladhar' on Sri. A.R. Rahman, man of magic rhythms
http://www.rahmanism.com/2007/07/rar...tion-vol5.html
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
Ramakrishna

Originally Posted by
joe
Ramakrishna,
Unga avatar
Enna function athu?

athaan enakkum theriyala....I downloaded it from Yahoo arr fan group.
anga function pathi description ethuvum illa 
I found it.
Sri. Sivaji Ganesan conferring the title 'Gana kaladhar' on Sri. A.R. Rahman, man of magic rhythms
http://www.rahmanism.com/2007/07/rar...tion-vol5.html
Oh... Thanks a lot
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From: Nerd
on 21st January 2009 10:06 PM
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20+ pages. PadikkalAmA, vEndAmA
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From: Ramakrishna
on 21st January 2009 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
20+ pages. PadikkalAmA, vEndAmA

Padinga.. vera enna vela
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From: sarna_blr
on 21st January 2009 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
SP akka, bollywood majesty yaaru

SP akka
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From: villan007
on 21st January 2009 11:56 PM
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From: avven
on 22nd January 2009 02:49 AM
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From: MrIndia
on 22nd January 2009 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
No wibhs,
Thts why I included, MANNERISM, AND ATTITUDE.
They need to be BOLD someone who could take charge and control of any siutation. Thats manliness.
Now we are out of bounds of film industry.
male chauvinistic comment
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From: Anban
on 22nd January 2009 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by
MrIndia

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
No wibhs,
Thts why I included, MANNERISM, AND ATTITUDE.
They need to be BOLD someone who could take charge and control of any siutation. Thats manliness.
Now we are out of bounds of film industry.
male chauvinistic comment
no its not.. such action doesnt necessarily mean discouraging the empowerment of women..
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From: NOV
on 22nd January 2009 05:47 AM
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SP wont be around for next couple of days.
All of you can have a field day.
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From: Wibha
on 22nd January 2009 06:08 AM
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
SP wont be around for next couple of days.
All of you can have a field day.

Well, we missed you too, in a weird way.
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From: NOV
on 22nd January 2009 06:59 AM
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Rakesh, for me there is no competition.
Tamil movies and industry is the BEST in the world. eedu inai atradhu.
so, nothing for me to contribute.
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From: directhit
on 22nd January 2009 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
SP wont be around for next couple of days.
All of you can have a field day.

Contradictory Statements
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
Rakesh, for me there is no competition.
Tamil movies and industry is the BEST in the world. eedu inai atradhu.
so, nothing for me to contribute.

Well, I won't go as far as to say that. Of course, that NT was in the industry outweighs many other factors.
Still, there are other countries. For example, I don't know how the Kyrgyzstan film industry is and whether the actors there are masculine. Too bad, SP won't be around to vouch for that.
So where were we?
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From: NOV
on 22nd January 2009 07:12 AM
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the field is too wide to make any worthy comparison.
furthermore, yardsticks differ from person to person. so such comparison is futile.
therefore to me, Tamil industry is the best.
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From: MADDY
on 22nd January 2009 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
Tamil industry is the best.
requesting to lock this thread
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From: P_R
on 22nd January 2009 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV

the field is too wide to make any worthy comparison.
Tamil-Indhi padangaL reNdaiyum pAkkuravangaLaala "worthy comparison" paNNa mudiyum.
And the whole thing started because with the recent surge of good films in indhi, many of us who follow Tamil films feel a genuine "aadhangam" that our movies lag by a distance. I thought this thread would be about "why that is the case" and didn't expect it to be about "is that the case".
In the last few weeks let me list the films I have watched
Khosla ka Ghosla
Johnny GaddAr
Rock On
JaanE tu ya JaanE Na
Aamir
MithyA
Mixed Doubles
OyE Lucku Lucky Oye
All films that came in the last year or two.Some were good some ordinary. Each one of them better than most, if not all. Tamil Films I have seen in the last two years. Yes including 2007 which was a good year for Tamil films. If someone can contest that, then it would be an interesing debate. Otherwise we are just talking in circle bringing in old glory etc.
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
All films that came in the last year or two.Some were good some ordinary. Each one of them better than most, if not all. Tamil Films I have seen in the last two years. Yes including 2007 which was a good year for Tamil films. If someone can contest that, then it would be an interesing debate. Otherwise we are just talking in circle bringing in old glory etc.
Am afraid that's what I might end up doing. I saw very little Hindi films of late, and that too with my brother who watched them purely because of ARR factor. It didn't work for me, I'm afraid. Yeah, for comparison, you should be watching equal number of movies from both side, equal number of genres and then make comparison. Past glory-naa I have lots to say. But current nilaimay, I don't have much in my in-box.
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From: joe
on 22nd January 2009 08:56 AM
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PR,
Nice info.
But can you give more idea to ignorants like me .. what are the reasons of recent upward move in hindi cinema and downfall of tamil cinema ,from your point of view.
where do tamil cinema lack ? and what change you recomment?
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 22nd January 2009 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
NOV
furthermore, yardsticks differ from person to person. so such comparison is futile.
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From: directhit
on 22nd January 2009 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Am afraid that's what I might end up doing. I saw very little Hindi films of late, and that too with my brother who watched them purely because of ARR factor. It didn't work for me, I'm afraid. Yeah, for comparison, you should be watching equal number of movies from both side, equal number of genres and then make comparison. Past glory-naa I have lots to say. But current nilaimay, I don't have much in my in-box.
am afraid thts where we are lacking!
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From: P_R
on 22nd January 2009 09:15 AM
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Small movies seem to be the trick. (enakku therinjadhu varai).
Most of the above movies are no bog stars, really well written without (or with bare minimal) "commercial" compromises.
Coming to think of it, the better films in Tamil in the last 2 years have been the 'small' ones. Perhaps we are on the direction. But still the song-fight-louu seems to be a hard formula to break. It is presented in new, innovative ways but it seems to be there always. I am given to understand this is possible because of the freedom the wide multiplex market available to Hindi films. But I wonder if with appropriate budget shrinking, if such movies can be done even in Tamil to
Khosla ks Ghosla was remade in Tamil as "poi solla pOrOm" - dunno how good it was.
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From: Thirumaran
on 22nd January 2009 09:32 AM
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Night time la varavanga is not capable of

India la irukuravanga thaan best
25 pages vs 4 pages
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From: complicateur
on 22nd January 2009 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
where do tamil cinema lack ? and what change you recomment?

Joe again forgive me for
1. answering out of turn
2. regurgitating some cliche's/ previously espoused ideas.
To create an acceptable parameter for comparison, one must normalize the number of films - i.e. number of "good" films per total number of films made or number of "good films" made per number of rupees spent. Just the total "number" of good films made in each industry is not an accurate parameter for comparison because as everyone says the market is larger there is more money there. I guess the contention PR is making , and rightly so IMO, is that even this normalized number is way higher for Bollywood.
To address the first question - where does tamil cinema lack?
1. The vicious cycle of the "actors" stranglehold on the medium and the audience's concession of the same leading to stories written with that in mind. There are actors there like Ranvir Shorey who will play comic sidekick in Chandni Chowk to China but has the chops to carry a movie like MithyA. So a new writer/filmmaker can confidently write a movie in the hope that he will get capable ACTORS to play parts, he doesn't have to keep in mind that he is writing the movie for the image created by a star's PR. Here, outside of maybe Pasupathy or M.S.Baskar, I find it hard to name one "actor" not star who can do what Ranvir/Vinay/Rajat/Vijay Raaz/Atul Agnihotri (to some extent)/Manoj Bajpai (to some extent)/Konkona Sen Sharma/Abhay Deol (who is actually an actor wrapped in a star) can. [I just threw M.S.Baskar in there I think it would be interesting to see him in a author backed role - my misgivings regarding the possible grating of his dialog delivery notwithstanding]. And once someone makes an acclaimed movie (like say Makdee or Blue umbrella) with these lesser known actors, even stars are chomping at the bit to be cast in your next venture to prove their acting chops (saif/kareena/ajay in Omkara). Then the writer/director can paint on a large canvas.
2. Once written and cast these small films have the benefit of discerning producers (some of whom know the pitfalls of a star driven industry - example Vishal Baradwaj helping Anurag Kashyap out with No Smoking fully acknowledging that the movie might go misunderstood) who at times know how to market the film and even break even. Ideal cases are people like UTV's Ronnie Screwvala who seems to be able to spot a great script 50 miles out and can budgetand market it to perfection. UTV's Spotboy pictures has an exceptional record of making lovely small films and funding more. In the thamizh film industry however while there is some corporatisation the absorption of a commercial failure is still squarely placed on the shoulders of single producers usually and so said producer usually ends up doing what he believes is in his best interest. This results in Sasikumar having to produce Subramaniyapuram himself and Mysskin forcefully inserting KaththAzha kaNNAla in an otherwise decent narrative.
That is all I can think of for now. I am sure there are more issues.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 22nd January 2009 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
In the last few weeks let me list the films I have watched
Khosla ka Ghosla
Johnny GaddAr
Rock On
JaanE tu ya JaanE Na
Aamir
MithyA
Mixed Doubles
OyE Lucku Lucky Oye
All films that came in the last year or two.Some were good some ordinary. Each one of them better than most, if not all. Tamil Films I have seen in the last two years. Yes including 2007 which was a good year for Tamil films. If someone can contest that, then it would be an interesing debate. Otherwise we are just talking in circle bringing in old glory etc.
PR, I have a doubt. Are these good films you are mentioning are of Hollywood type with short running length, different storyline/narration etc., etc.,? I am asking this because I read one of the director mentioning that current generation is exposed to foreign cinema and hence they are able to field such different movies. Does it mean that the appreciation factors of these films are not home grown? Is it an acquired taste? I am getting this impression because the patrons of such movies are the elite multiplex movie goers.
Even then it is a welcome change, for its a break in the beaten to death cliches in our industry, a fresh breath of air. But if you tell me Hindi film industry is better because of such movies "alone" I can't accept. Do these movies represent characters from all strata of the society? Does it portray communal differences, regional accents, day to day struggle/events in every socio-economic strata of the society etc.,?
In short, does it have an equivalent of Virumandi (neo story telling techniques based on rural milieu) or even paruthiveeran? Does it have stories revolving around borderline characters?(Pithamagan, Raam and now NK).
Coming to urban strata, I enjoyed Ch 28 a lot (eventhough the story was heavily disorganized). I loved those tiny sequences which perfectly describes day to day worries of an urban youth :P (walking into opposite gang's den, friend's sister love etc., etc.,). SR's 7G is another example. Or the urban upper strata which was decently portrayed in films such as Mozhi, KNM. We even have a 23rd Pulikesi which can be enjoyed purely on a scene to scene basis (over allstory telling is

)
We have such examples in TFI showing the scope of our film makers. I have only put questions for HFI since I haven't seen many. If the answer is yes to these questions, yes Bollywood is a winner hands down, otherwise comparisons will still be mirky.
When Hollywood makes movies on such topics, it speaks of a very mature film making since the story line, audience taste, milieu setup everything is homegrown. Whereas if you were to give points to BW solely on such stories, it will not be complete since it doesn't represent the socio economic setup of majority of Indians, scenarios with which bulk of the population can't relate to. I have a feeling that we are a bit more liberal to such "innovative" films when innovation as a concept is imported from elsewhere.
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From: joe
on 22nd January 2009 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
Joe again forgive me for
1. answering out of turn
2. regurgitating some cliche's/ previously espoused ideas.
Enna chinna pillai thanama
Most welcome and thanks for answering
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 09:49 AM
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PR, Comp, TV, wonderful discussion.
Here's me spurring you on. The thread is back on track, Joe.
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From: Nerd
on 22nd January 2009 09:52 AM
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TV, simble answer. Watch one or more of those films in the list.
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From: sarna_blr
on 22nd January 2009 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
The thread is back on track, .

naanga vittuduvOmaa
BTW, TV's questions are

Hindhi film lovers engEy ? badhil sollungapaa ?
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 22nd January 2009 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
TV, simble answer. Watch one or more of those films in the list.
Naa basicalla oru sombEri. Neenga enna sonnaalum othuppen :P
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From: sarna_blr
on 22nd January 2009 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhuram
Khosla ka Ghosla
Johnny GaddAr
Rock On
JaanE tu ya JaanE Na
Aamir
MithyA
Mixed Doubles
OyE Lucku Lucky Oye
All films that came in the last year or two.Some were good some ordinary. Each one of them better than most, if not all.
iththana padaththOda DVD'yum room'la irukku

paakkuradhukku dhaan porumai illai

let me try it
PR , one question ,... are these movies produced by new producers or by established big names
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
groucho070
The thread is back on track, .

naanga vittuduvOmaa

Well, we sure had lots of fun yesterday.
But today, I like to see some real discussion. Joe asked some pertinent questions there.
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From: Nerd
on 22nd January 2009 10:01 AM
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And raam ellAm koottittu vandhu thread-a pollute pannradha kaNdikkiREn

. Answers, eloborate posts ellAm PR/Compli etc pAthukkuvaanga
Village stories: Omkara, Blue Umbrella
Middle class: KKG, OLLO, Mumbai meri jaan
Urban: Lots.
Borderline characters: Slightly modifying it as eccentric *films* - No smoking. There may be a few more, ippo mind-la illa.
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From: jaiganes
on 22nd January 2009 10:02 AM
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wonderful points complicateur!
However there is a small catch.
Bollywood is making these lovely small movies because it is profitable with high ticket cost multiplexes and complete disappearance of single screen theatres. Kollywood is making paruthiveerans, subramaniyapuram, pithamagan caring two hoots about commercial viability.
All the small and lovely movies save for the ones done by Vishal Baradwaj are for box seat upper middle class audience alone. Kollywood's artistic success are driven by the inverse audience and the mass audience and the movies(the class ones which are being compared) are more reflective of the milieu and more representational of the ethos of the soil and aptly reflective of our local culture.
Tomorrow if the economic downturn continues, UTV will pack its bags and kiss quality cinema a goodbye. Whereas the single producer system in klollywood despite its star panderings will continue to kick on and it is just a throwback to the 1980s where low budget movies identified with the directors (like Bala, Ameer, Cheran etc.) will keep coming. So sustenance of this trend is more realistic in kollywood and more intrinsic - thereby natural.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 22nd January 2009 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Here's me spurring you on. The thread is back on track, Joe.
NO!! Idhuku mela naan pesuna sarakku illanu therinjidum. Therinjavanga pesattum, naan silent a thalai aaturen
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From: sarna_blr
on 22nd January 2009 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
wonderful points complicateur!
However there is a small catch.
Bollywood is making these lovely small movies because it is profitable with high ticket cost multiplexes and complete disappearance of single screen theatres. Kollywood is making paruthiveerans, subramaniyapuram, pithamagan caring two hoots about commercial viability.
All the small and lovely movies save for the ones done by Vishal Baradwaj are for box seat upper middle class audience alone. Kollywood's artistic success are driven by the inverse audience and the mass audience and the movies(the class ones which are being compared) are more reflective of the milieu and more representational of the ethos of the soil and aptly reflective of our local culture.
romba sariyaa sonneenga

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Tomorrow if the economic downturn continues, UTV will pack its bags and kiss quality cinema a goodbye.

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Whereas the single producer system in klollywood despite its star panderings will continue to kick on and it is just a throwback to the 1980s where low budget movies identified with the directors (like Bala, Ameer, Cheran etc.) will keep coming. So sustenance of this trend is more realistic in kollywood and more intrinsic - thereby natural.
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From: joe
on 22nd January 2009 11:21 AM
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Before writing the தீர்ப்பு ,For movies targetting 8 Crores people against movies targetting 80 Crores people ,how many % quality reduction can be given ?
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From: directhit
on 22nd January 2009 11:27 AM
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Joe

i too feel that the market they have to play around with, is mainly the reason for this
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Before writing the தீர்ப்பு ,For movies targetting 8 Crores people against movies targetting 80 Crores people ,how many % quality reduction can be given ?

End of the day, which projects start for artistic reason, that later finds financial backing and then the production, etc, etc and which projects are developed around a market (read with hero already in mind at times).
Project started for pure creative/artistic reasons usually never have target audience in mine. It's just some dude or gal with a dream and it just gets celebrated by discerning viewers or trashed. Ambuduthen avangga nilaimai. Wherelse target audience set panni padam edutta athu veeru kathai. I hope I have not answered your question, Joe.
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From: sarna_blr
on 22nd January 2009 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Before writing the தீர்ப்பு ,For movies targetting 8 Crores people against movies targetting 80 Crores people ,how many % quality reduction can be given ?

Let us assume that, 1 crores people watch movies out of 8 crores people and let us take 25 rs per head as ticket cost. So budget can be upto 25 crores. So one can get back 25crores rupees if all the people see the movie.
and Let us assume 10 crores people watch movies out of 80 crores people and let us take 25rs per head as ticket cost. So budget can be upto 250 crores. So one can get back 250crores rupess if all the people see. If the movie flops, ie ONLY the 10 % of people watches the movie, then also producer can safely take 25 crores back. So if one invests 25 crores in Bollywood , producer will be safe , wn even the film flops.
aanaa kollywood'la
Bollywood is having 10 times risk free than that of kollywood.
AC room'la ukkaandhu, bed-lamp'la bournvita kudichchukkittu padichchu 90/100 mark edukkuravana vida, theruvilakkula kosukkadi thollayOda chaakkadai naaththathOda padichchu 90/100 edukkuravan dhaan best
PS . just an assumption based on 8 crores vs 80 crores.
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From: joe
on 22nd January 2009 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Project started for pure creative/artistic reasons usually never have target audience in mine. It's just some dude or gal with a dream and it just gets celebrated by discerning viewers or trashed. Ambuduthen avangga nilaimai. Wherelse target audience set panni padam edutta athu veeru kathai. I hope I have not answered your question, Joe.

I think there is a difference ..theatre-ayae target pannama padam edutha inga hub polling-la kooda idam kidaikkathu (eg Kaanjeevaram)

Taking a risk in Hindi movie for pure creative/artistic reason has more room as even if reaches 10% of whole audience ,it is equal to reaching 100% audience of a tamil movie ,since Hindi audience are atleast 10 times bigger.
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 11:49 AM
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Well, heck, I never heard of Kanjeevaram, so its an evidence that it does not reach far.
Come to think of it, there are no, what I'd call, to borrow from Hollywood, "Indie" films. The small budgeted, meant for artistic reason, featuring unknown mostly (who later soars) or occasional stars or has beens, in TFI?
Appadi antha mathiri small films-ku ethenum Film Festival (aka Sundance)?
Is there?
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From: joe
on 22nd January 2009 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Appadi antha mathiri small films-ku ethenum Film Festival (aka Sundance)?
Is there?
Yes,There are. So many short-film (குறும்படம்) festivals are being conducted even in chennai .
Eg
http://nellaitamil.com/view.php?page=949
http://www.tamilonline.com/thendral/...x?id=61&cid=18
http://nizhalkal.blogspot.com/2008/07/blog-post.html
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From: groucho070
on 22nd January 2009 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Appadi antha mathiri small films-ku ethenum Film Festival (aka Sundance)?
Is there?
Yes,There are. So many short-film (குறும்படம்) festivals are being conducted even in chennai .
Interesting. I've seen some of the small films in Makkal TV, and found some to be interesting.
But what about festivals for feature length films, but small independent ones?
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From: sarna_blr
on 22nd January 2009 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
groucho070
Appadi antha mathiri small films-ku ethenum Film Festival (aka Sundance)?
Is there?
Yes,There are. So many short-film (குறும்படம்) festivals are being conducted even in chennai .
Interesting. I've seen some of the small films in Makkal TV, and found some to be interesting.
But what about festivals for feature length films, but small independent ones?
Makkal TV, Jaya TV, Vijay TV are telecasting these short films. But popular channels like Sun, Kalaignar
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From: joe
on 22nd January 2009 11:58 AM
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Makkal TV telecast even Iranian ,Russian movies
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From: sarna_blr
on 22nd January 2009 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe
Makkal TV telecast even Iranian ,Russian movies

irritating dubbing'ku badhilaa, sub-titles'Oda play panraanga

varavErka padavEndiya vishayam. World movies channel'la pOtta sila padangala Makkal TV'la paaththEn
Makkal TV - peyarukkEtra channel
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From: complicateur
on 22nd January 2009 01:13 PM
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Poi sApttu varathukkuLLa ennennamO nadanthu pOchchu.
Thamizh: Nerd has pointed out some notable examples in all the socio-economic classifications you mention. In what is generally termed "good" cinema the functioning of the characters are an extension of their socio-economic and political milieus. In all those movies PR listed, one has only to watch them to understand that the characters are conceptualized with such conviction that the pre-conditions of their existence do not have to be explicitly shoved down the audiences throat. Their actions and words are but functions of their so-called "class" (rural, urban lower middle class, urban upper middle class ...).
One thing I did mention elsewhere and will re-iterate is that in Bollywood the volume of movies that reflect earthiness is a little lower when normalized with the total number of films being made. I reason that this is because the number of filmmakers who have a direct connection with the features of that life are rarer or have not had the luck/connections that the suburban/urban based filmakers have had. Or the rural filmmaker just does not exist in the Bollywood paradigm. But then again "earthiness" is not a determinant of quality. I notice how ParuthivIran makes your list but not Pazhani or vEl (both movies with some rural settings in them). ParuththivIran's appeal [whatever my personal misgivings about the film] did not lie in its earthiness but in AmIr's understanding and presentation of it. And with regard to marginal characters, in some senses a dyslexic child is a marginalised character in the competitive educational system[TZP], a dance bar waiter is a marginalised character in an urban econimic system[Raghu Romeo] and if you want the holy grail of marginalisation how about a blind/deaf/mute girl child [though I personally thought Black was fairly emotionally manipulative]. But then again, as I have said earlier, it is presentation of content that is more important.
Jai: My post was not an endorsement of corporatization, though in hindsight it might seem that way. A couple of things I ought to clarify:
UTV with all its corporate cloaking still seems to be the endeavor one man with a great eye for good movies - Ronnie Screwvala. Of course this is just conjecture he might have exceptional people working for him but from what I hear the man is very involved in the projects. As a result of being so heavily involved the man is very aware of how to market his products ( much like how a Weinstein did with Happy Go lucky or Fox Searchlight did with Slumdog). And this aspect is just about as crucial to a good movie. So the single producer system as you say is not the bane but I will try to illustrate the current issues with it.
Assuming Ameer or BAlA do not care about BO success might be a bit of well meaning naivete' on your part. All stories that were ever told were only told to be heard. Some of them deserved to be told while others did not. What we have in TFI is an abundance of stories that need not have been told.
The issue with the single producer system is the inelasticity with which it absorbs the failure of a movie. A failure that is more often than not comes from the producer being:
a. uninvolved / not cognizant of film and its intricacies.
b. unaware of means of non-traditional methods of marketing that are available in abundance now, cost far less than the traditional 30 second spot on a satellite channel and are capable of targeting the specific demographic the film is written for [as I write this I realise BAlA might be the thamizh filmmaker that I know of that is very difficult to classify as a demographic filmmaker].
c. The lack of awareness extends into alternate forms of distribution such as DVD sales/subtitling for festival circuit etc... All of this must be factored into initial cost analysis prior to making the movie.
Marketing and its sordid nature is the reason for the star system and the attached problems and what is required is a quorum of scriptwriters, directors and medium-aware producers who can create a sustaining/supportive environment for god film.
To continue the discussion, if we concede that earthiness works because of its connection to the populace [which is not entirely true considering Chennai-28] then why do we not see more quality movies in that milieu? Why are the quality movies with the "rootedness" so few and far between? Consider the alternative where we are an industry filled with ParuththivIran's would that then not become a formulaic method of operating? ivanungaLukkellAm madurai, vetiiyAn, vetti pasanga, vettaRuvAL thavira padamE edukka theriyAthA-nu kEkka mAttAngaLA?
To illustrate the imporatance of the producers awareness of the medium another example: Chennai-28 was quite the miserable failure in telugu. Surprising considering its appeal in thamizh and the universal [at least in India] of cricket. Venkat Prabhu said the producer chopped of the final scene with the younger school-boy team completely eliminating the high the movie left us with. That is the difference of having a producer who understands the nature of the medium he is dealing with.
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From: equanimus
on 22nd January 2009 01:25 PM
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Jaiganes,
Interesting set of points. I do agree with you when you say that the approval of the larger audience would help Tamil filmmakers sustain well. And of course I'm with you when you talk about the rootedness of Tamil cinema. But otherwise I think your argument in favour of Kollywood is fallacious in more ways than one. I understand when you say that UTV would be packing its bags and so on. But why at all is that not the case with the producers here? We're talking about a filmmaking industry which is so influenced by the singular success of one film (Autograph) that almost every remarkable film since then has had strains of it. That's how uninspiring most of the Tamil filmmakers/producers are. I'm afraid you're just expressing your dissatisfaction with the mode of the corporate companies in film production. I'm not disagreeing with you there, but I do with the inferences you seem to make of that. How exactly is our framework better? And when you're talking about filmmakers, I don't understand why you accord the presence of artistic vision to the Ameers and Sasikumars (ok, Balas) but not to the Rajat Kapoors and Dibakar Banerjees. Just because they're making films that are patronised by the box-seat upper-middle class? Or because they're making films for profit? Everyone wants to release their films and that means they desire profit. So the only manner in which one can judge the artistic vision is by seeing (for oneself) how good the film is. I just don't get how paruththivIran and subramaNiyapuram was made caring two hoots about commercial viability, but a Mithya or an Oye Lucky Lucky Oye wasn't!
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From: complicateur
on 22nd January 2009 01:35 PM
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equanimus: Thanks for making a point that I forgot to mention in my unwieldy ramble of a post.
Yes one cannot decouple the individual producer from a poor economy. He will likely be hit just as badly as UTV.
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 03:49 AM
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@ complicateur
I am not saying that the rootedness of movies is the reason why kollywood is successful. I am implying that thamizh movies are more representational of the tastes and ethos. more directors on the new wave read thamizh literature and recreate characters. I am not saying that we have reached the level Malayalam films were in 1980s - but we are getting there. Bollywood films on the other hand make good movies offlate because of the trend - the economic trend and that too heavily inspired by west - the influence of English cinema is palpable. The great directors of the 70s have been forgotten and hollywood directors are the role models and the hollywood hangover is heavily visible. While not completely escaping the hollywood influence (as visible in Gowtham Menon's films), there are still directors like Cheran and Bala whose works are fiercely original and with burning passion. Cheran wouldn't budge down before making Autograph and Bala wouldn't back down before making Sethu and same sort of gritty tale is to be heard from every acclaimed director of thamizh films. The passion is very much there - multiplexes or not, there is a fierce passion in the likes of Mysskin and Ameer to make better films and not for some obscure award but for the masses. They slowly but surely have changed the face of thamizh cinema and they have not had the benevolence of a countrywide market and a compassionate glaze of Hollywood on them. They work with shoestring budgets and in that budget produce impact far more than a bollywood new talent makes. In the absence of opportunities that bollywood is having right now - they produced trash after trash in the late 80s and 90s. in a similar situation we had KB and bharathiraaja making classic after another . If really good hindi films were done - they were done by art film masters like tapan sinha and shyam benegal and likes whose works were rather generously supported by NFDC which extended a rather stingy and stepmotherly treatment to our Balu Mahendra, Sethumadhavan and Mahendran.
I am not one bit denying a dibakar banerjee or anurag kashyap or navdeep singh in his artistic vision. I am only signifying a fact that if all their films bombed or rejected by producers - would they still have struggled like a Bala who lived just on 1 cigarrette and 10 Rs for a week and still be passionate about making the movie they want to make? Were they not benefitted by the corporatization of bollywood? where were they in the early and late 90s? If an Anurag Kashyap is not making it big in movies, he has tremendous amounts of opportunities elsewhere - while we can be very sure that a Bala or Cheran knew nothing worthwhile but cinema. They are not intellectuals who dabble in cinema for profession - they have imbibed it as a passion like Bharathiraaja and KB. This passion sets our film makers apart from Bollywood directors. And that is one reason why I say that this phase that we are seeing in Bollywood can change any moment for the worst - but an Ameer or Cheran or Bala are not going to run away and back down. They might not prove that they are 'versatile' by playing with formats - but they will make one sincere movie after the other. and that is why Thamizh film world can look up and expect more.
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From: groucho070
on 23rd January 2009 07:07 AM
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Another great discussion, Jaiganes. It's something that has been in my mind these days, as I get over my Hollywood hangover that lasted for more than a decade - its about generic, original substance. What is it? It was there with our past greats up to the 60s, then the torch passed on to Barathiraja, and even the likes of K. Baghyaraj made unique home-made films that is not only carried TN brand, , but made it his own - like how Woody Allen was making, not Hollywood movie, but Woody Allen movies.
Then, in 90s, there was some kind of lull. There were things...stuff that I don't want to remember and stuff that made me stay away from Tamizh films. But I came back after 2000, when the were promises.
Anyway, interesting you mentioned NFDC. Didn't they finance a Mahendran movie back in the 90s? What happened to it?
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From: complicateur
on 23rd January 2009 07:09 AM
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Jai: I think attaching a large value to a quality that is inherently intangible ["creative fire"] would simultaneously eliminate any rational criticism and question the creative integrity of the filmmakers in Bollywood. I cannot speak with any authority about the amount of joules the respective fires expend. And intention does not a good film make. Execution does that. I agree on BAlA, Ameer and to a lesser extent ChEran but largely execution is lacking. And the execution/commitment to narrative is higher even if the method is heavily influenced.
And I will concede that the narrative structure and visual technique is heavily influenced by the west, but not necessarily contemporary hollywood. To say BAlA's style is all his own would be a little premature on my part because, apart from Balu Mahendra, BAlA has not advertised his influences. Mysskin on the other hand minces no words in announcing his allegiance to Kurosawa and Japanese films.
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From: sarna_blr
on 23rd January 2009 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
Mysskin on the other hand minces no words in announcing his allegiance to Kurosawa and Japanese films.
Myshkin's top 5 favourite directors are
1. Kurosawa
2. Kurosawa
3. Kurosawa
4. Sathyajithre
5. Sathyajithre
-above was said by Myshkin
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From: crajkumar_be
on 23rd January 2009 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
Jai: I think attaching a large value to a quality that is inherently intangible ["creative fire"] would simultaneously eliminate any rational criticism and question the creative integrity of the filmmakers in Bollywood. I cannot speak with any authority about the amount of joules the respective fires expend. And intention does not a good film make. Execution does that. I agree on BAlA, Ameer and to a lesser extent ChEran but largely execution is lacking. And the execution/commitment to narrative is higher even if the method is heavily influenced.

I don't understand why we are making a simple question so complex - Who makes better films now? Period
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
I don't understand why we are making a simple question so complex
Because the simple answer is painful.
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 12:41 PM
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yes. It is painful. Right now in this set they are winning. Our star players innum varalai Bala, Mysskin are padded up, Cheran net practice pannittu irukkaar. Sasi debut matchle kalakkitaar aanaal one innings wondernnu sollidalaam Still waiting for Kamal, Mani, SP Jananaadhan, Ameer (disqualify aaiduvaaro ivar?). Ivanga aattathukkappuram naama win panra chance balamaa irukku. Rajkumar - unga aal konjan formukku varanum. practice matche (wednesday) mazhaila poidum bola irukku.
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From: MrJudge
on 23rd January 2009 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
yes. It is painful. Right now in this set they are winning. Our star players innum varalai Bala, Mysskin are padded up, Cheran net practice pannittu irukkaar. Sasi debut matchle kalakkitaar aanaal one innings wondernnu sollidalaam Still waiting for Kamal, Mani, SP Jananaadhan, Ameer (disqualify aaiduvaaro ivar?). Ivanga aattathukkappuram naama win panra chance balamaa irukku. Rajkumar - unga aal konjan formukku varanum. practice matche (wednesday) mazhaila poidum bola irukku.
innum Cheran mEla ungaLukku nammikkai irukkA?
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From: crajkumar_be
on 23rd January 2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
yes. It is painful. Right now in this set they are winning. Our star players innum varalai Bala, Mysskin are padded up, Cheran net practice pannittu irukkaar. Sasi debut matchle kalakkitaar aanaal one innings wondernnu sollidalaam Still waiting for Kamal, Mani, SP Jananaadhan, Ameer (disqualify aaiduvaaro ivar?). Ivanga aattathukkappuram naama win panra chance balamaa irukku. Rajkumar - unga aal konjan formukku varanum. practice matche (wednesday) mazhaila poidum bola irukku.
Jai,
Cheran, Sasi, Jananaadhan, Ameer - not sure about these.
(I would add Selva instead)
Agree with you on enga aalu. Form-a vidunga, aattathukku vandhaa dhaane form ellam
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 12:47 PM
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the way he came back after being written off prior to autograph and after seeing what he can do in a movie like Thavamaai thavamirundhu, I jave high hopes on him. his style might not be so called 'world class' but his movies are sincere and dignified and he can be very proud for his filmography.
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From: joe
on 23rd January 2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
his style might not be so called 'world class' but his movies are sincere and dignified and he can be very proud for his filmography.
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 12:49 PM
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konjam extreme-A oru observation. IMO dhaan....
thamizh padam pidikkiradhukku konjam try paNNa vENdi irukku (nearly all the star filmmakers Jai has mentioned)
Hindi padam thaanAvE pidikkidhu (including works of even nondescript directors)
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 12:50 PM
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rajkumar - onnu rendu paeru vittu poi irukkum. Thappa eduthukka maateenganna onnu solraen. Unga aal onnu rendu padam varushathukku directum pannanum. Kadhayaa illai namma oorla?
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From: crajkumar_be
on 23rd January 2009 12:50 PM
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PR,
Guna la varra "veliya irukku" "ulla irukku" madhiri solreenga?
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
konjam extreme-A oru observation. IMO dhaan....
thamizh padam pidikkiradhukku konjam try paNNa vENdi irukku (nearly all the star filmmakers Jai has mentioned)
Hindi padam thaanAvE pidikkidhu (including works of even nondescript directors)
neenga ennna try panneenga?
solunga - adhai vechi paakalaam enna prachinainnu
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
konjam extreme-A oru observation. IMO dhaan....
thamizh padam pidikkiradhukku konjam try paNNa vENdi irukku (nearly all the star filmmakers Jai has mentioned)
Hindi padam thaanAvE pidikkidhu (including works of even nondescript directors)
neenga ennna try panneenga?
solunga - adhai vechi paakalaam enna prachinainnu
In the sense very rarely is one able to enjoy without reservation
AnjAdhE - my favourite film of the year 2008
But when I say that I have to also say
- pathetic performances from the nearly all the main cast
- visual stylization (appidinnA'nnu kEtturAdheenga !) was overdone beyond a point
But still it is great a Tamil film was this good. Next Myskin padathukku kerchief pOttu vai... etc.
But without any of these "this guy is promising - his next film will be good", types I was able to enjoy most of the Hindi films I listed.
oru maadhiri theLivA kuzhappurEnA ?
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
jaiganes

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
konjam extreme-A oru observation. IMO dhaan....
thamizh padam pidikkiradhukku konjam try paNNa vENdi irukku (nearly all the star filmmakers Jai has mentioned)
Hindi padam thaanAvE pidikkidhu (including works of even nondescript directors)
neenga ennna try panneenga?
solunga - adhai vechi paakalaam enna prachinainnu
In the sense very rarely is one able to enjoy without reservation
AnjAdhE - my favourite film of the year 2008
But when I say that I have to also say
- pathetic performances from the nearly all the main cast
- visual stylization (appidinnA'nnu kEtturAdheenga !) was overdone beyond a point
But still it is great a Tamil film was this good. Next Myskin padathukku kerchief pOttu vai... etc.
But without any of these "this guy is promising - his next film will be good", types I was able to enjoy most of the Hindi films I listed.
oru maadhiri theLivA kuzhappurEnA ?
I guess because we expect more from our guys. Acting of the cast appadinnu neenga sollum boadhu - neenga paatha indhi padam enna? adhula nadichavanga yaarunnum sollunga. I felt that Anjaadhe had a lot of untrained actors. Save for pandiyarajan,prasanna, ponvannan - some guys were new and possible that some goofed up. I would applaud anjaadhe for its forays but in a forgiving manner. It is not a masterpiece - even mysskin doesnt claim it to be one So what were the movies that made you say without apologies that this is great?
Last year - subramaniapuram # one for me. Anjaadhe close second. and then day light
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From: joe
on 23rd January 2009 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
oru maadhiri theLivA kuzhappurEnA ?
konjam try paNNa vENdi irukku
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2009 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
konjam extreme-A oru observation. IMO dhaan....
thamizh padam pidikkiradhukku konjam try paNNa vENdi irukku (nearly all the star filmmakers Jai has mentioned)
Hindi padam thaanAvE pidikkidhu (including works of even nondescript directors)
Oh, I completely agree. idhaiyE vERa mAdhiri solREn. Has anyone wondered how every single Tamil film that takes the offbeat route is unanimously and uniformly appreciated? (I've a big grouse against this kind of "equal appreciation" from another point of view as well, but that's for another day.)
Of course, one can always say that everyone who takes the route ends up making a really good film. Anyway, I'm just asking.
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 01:30 PM
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My opinion on Subramaniapuram is unfavourable - to put it politely.
Take MithyA or Mixed Doubles (sari reNdum Rajat Kapoor-A), take even Jaane Tu with all those debutant kids, it was so fluent. In fact Jaane Tu is the right example because, it does not have any classic ambitions. It is content with being a silly rom-com, with inside jokes about traditional cinema but itself going in for a liberal dose of naach-gaana etc. It succumbed to cliches like the cad rival suitor, had main themes being "spoken" unsubtly in dialogues, heck the storyline was the Prasanth-Shalini movie PiriyAdha varam vENdum which an estimated seven people saw...on TV.
But the way the small charecters comes together, the flow of events was seamless and very engrossing. Not to mention the humour - not a funny track running in parallel, it was something systemic. That light heartedness, the overall control was in a completely different level. Even if it had flaws the dips were only relative to a new height,
enakku idhukku mEla solla theriyalai. ungaLukkellAm ippidi thONalaiyA...orE tharAsuka vachchu compare paNNa mudiyudhA ?
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
PR,
Guna la varra "veliya irukku" "ulla irukku" madhiri solreenga?

What a line !
idhai Balakumaran ezhudhiruppArunnu ninaikkureengaLA ? :P
With that koLuththipOttifying...I
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 01:36 PM
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I feel that if a film is universally hailed as a classic - it starts ceasing to be one.
My reasons.
People are subjective and fiercely opinionated when it comes to evaluating a subjective art like cinema. It is rather easy to please everyone and make them say pudichirukku. Radhamohan's movies are good example. adhu pidikkalainnu veliye vandhu evanume sollamaattan.
When someone sets out to make an honest movie, personal thoughts, personal experiences, intense depiction of an inner trauma - 50% will relate to it and say it is classic. 25% will go numb. and 25% will hate the movie (chumma oru rule of thumb) Now the movie which you liked you would probably forget with the next smart movie. But the movie you did not like that much or hated will haunt you and years later u will still remember it. That alone is the hallmark of a classic. In that respect Pithamagan for me in Bollywood, Khosla Ka Ghosla - I never expected it to be so long lasting. even now i find it funny - yet feel very bad for Anupam Kher and his disjoint family. When i saw the movie some of the jokes seemed mokkai. now I see more into that movie. In between there have been so many comedy and other movies.
Classic litmus test - How many still agree that Black is a classic - do you feel compelled to watch it when you catch it in a channel?
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
But the movie you did not like that much or hated will haunt you and years later u will still remember it. That alone is the hallmark of a classic.
Bala, note the point.
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From: thilak4life
on 23rd January 2009 01:43 PM
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Black - The extreme levels of opulence fell flat and not to mention some operatic acting. Bad example. What about Black Friday?
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 01:44 PM
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PR - you are hinting at JTYJN - that is an intelligent script by the best script writer in bollywood. It is pure fun - but sample this. The silly tug of war between aditi and Rathod gets tiring for 15 mins then the crazy brothers pop up - then in the climax they are tied to rathod's father and rathod rides on a horse back. It is charming - somewhat Radhamohanish. you cannot deny the tedium that develops in the main story line it was like the main story was propped up by side story and support cast. but the clever script intelligently diverted the focus. it is clever but can u say that it is better than subramaniapuram for that alone - Nah. Subramaniapuram after 15 mins of watching draws you in. JTYJN - no matter how well done can never draw the audience in (the sensible ones) . It never takes itself seriously and by the same token IMO should never be taken seriously.
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
thilak4life
Black - The extreme levels of opulence fell flat and not to mention some operatic acting. Bad example. What about Black Friday?
Black Friday will be remembered after a long time - not for the money it made - but for the boldness in handling a sensitive theme with very little sensationalism. It however is a movie that never packs a punch because it is too honest and does not take sides till the end. It will be remembered because it is very honest to its source material and it broke many barriers of my understanding atleast. But can it consider itself as a movie? It is cinema no doubt.
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From: thilak4life
on 23rd January 2009 01:51 PM
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Jaiganes,
Equivalent comparison, would it be JTYJN vs Radha Mohan films? I would prefer JTYJN.
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 01:56 PM
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lets wait for Abbas tyrewalla's next. did you notice the narrative structure of JTYJN closely is modelled on Azhagiya theeye? This pops up the question what is the source for these two?
As far as Radha mohan is concerned - he has redefined the family movies genre in his own way. As much I relish and anticipate Bala's movies, I like Radha mohan to keep doing what he is doing. Only he can do that consistently in thamizh.
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From: thilak4life
on 23rd January 2009 02:00 PM
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For diverse narratives without the need to masquerade earthiness or authenticity to make up for its weakness (akin to AK, Sudhir mishra, Sriram Raghavan, Rajat kapoor, etc), we need a wave of independent filmmakers. Sort of like Venkat Prabhu has been doing with less mainstream stars, and less budget. We will find out whether we could afford them, depending on the multiplex audience for such films.
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 02:06 PM
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Thilak - have you noticed the influences of these movie makers? you can see their english literary influences. Our guys are mostly influenced by life, Thamizh literature. The more read our guys are - more slick movies will come out - Otherwise it will be like Manivannan making one helluva Nooravadhu naal and then fading away (in that genre). However I have not seen a complete crime thriller like nooraavadhu naal in hindi. They remade it and killed the movie. There were some awesome crime stories in malayalam - but they did not scare the shit out of me like Nooravadhu naal.
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From: complicateur
on 23rd January 2009 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
The silly tug of war between aditi and Rathod gets tiring for 15 mins then the crazy brothers pop up - then in the climax they are tied to rathod's father and rathod rides on a horse back. It is charming - somewhat Radhamohanish.
VanmaiyAna kaNdanam on the Radhamohan comparison.

Radhamohan will go his entire career without writing a single character like Aditi's brother.
The greatness of the cowboy characters does not lie purely in that they are tied into the story. It is in that they initiate the Jai's romantic arc or the arc that leads to his romantic realisation. The writing cognizance it takes to subtly insinuate that your idea of romance will be influenced whether one likes it or not by the "father figures" or their machismo in one's life is not something that one comes by easily. If it is done in thamizh cinema it is usually done as a film long ode like VA. To me JTYJN was far more successful in the method it adopted.
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2009 02:11 PM
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Jaiganes,
Just curious. What was the last noticeably offbeat film in Tamil that you did not like?
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From: jaiganes
on 23rd January 2009 02:11 PM
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complicateur - it is WRITTEN that he will turn machismo - you know it the moment his character is introduced. As Far As doubting Radha mohan's ability to write a character like aditi's brother - the need should drive. For all reasons that character could be someone abbas knew. Inserting a character and writing lines for them alone does not complete the circle. What was that character's contribution? I donno. Radha mohan has written some beautiful characters like the professor in mozhi (MS Baskar did it very well) and jothika's character itself.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 23rd January 2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
But the movie you did not like that much or hated will haunt you and years later u will still remember it. That alone is the hallmark of a classic.
Bala, note the point.

puriliye...
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From: complicateur
on 23rd January 2009 02:19 PM
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equanimus: Valid question. The last off beat film that was not universally hailed as the next big thing was Oram Po. But even there I am not sure how "offbeat" per se it was.
Jai: The professor character in Mozhi had no function other than to reinforce the "goodness" of Prithviraj's character and some comic relief. In essence it is inappropriate to pity the physically disabled (Jyothika) but perfectly fine to derive incidental humor from the mentally disabled (of course the term here is used loosely). This sort of hypocrisy will seep through when one operates from the "manushanga ellArumE essentially nallavanga" feel good standpoint that Radhamohan/Prakashraj use as their USP. Azhagiya TheeyE worked for me for the sort of self reflective humor, but otherwise KaNda nAL muthal remains Duet movies' best film to date.
If the cowboys were Jai's call to arms Aditi's brother is the lectral counterpart. And without him Aditi would never understand that he was the one she really 'lou'-ed. I thought it was fairly obvious in that it was more explicitly discussed in the movie.
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
But the movie you did not like that much or hated will haunt you and years later u will still remember it. That alone is the hallmark of a classic.
Bala, note the point.

puriliye...
indha varusham vandha padangaLil jai-kku pidikkavE pidikkAdha, kannApinnAnnu "haunt" paNNa padam edhu :P
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From: Vivasaayi
on 23rd January 2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
But the movie you did not like that much or hated will haunt you and years later u will still remember it. That alone is the hallmark of a classic.
Bala, note the point.

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From: crajkumar_be
on 23rd January 2009 02:25 PM
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Oh, ada aamappa!
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
equanimus: Valid question. The last off beat film that was not universally hailed as the next big thing was Oram Po. But even there I am not sure how "offbeat" per se it was.
Nothing startlingly offbeat about it. It's just a total fun film that took itself way less seriously than one would have expected. (By the way, but for some glitches here and there, I enjoyed the film.) My point is how readily we lap up a Tamil film that shows a bit of an inclination to go off the beaten track.
On the other hand, if you look at Hindi cinema, there's a lot of diverse reaction to different kinds of films. I for example didn't like a bunch of films that were lapped up last year. For instance, I thought 'Aamir' was strictly alright. I can't even begin to be that "free" when I watch Tamil films.
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2009 02:26 PM
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Oh, damn, I didn't realise it was Complicateur who wrote that! Anyway, I've said what I wanted to.
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2009 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Oh, ada aamappa!

Bala bhai,
Confident? Lock kiya jaaye?
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
The silly tug of war between aditi and Rathod gets tiring for 15 mins .............Subramaniapuram after 15 mins of watching draws you in.
The less I speak of Sub. the better. It wasn't just the volleys that Aditi and Jai exchange. They had some awesome "believable" moments here. The scene where she plays dumb in refusing the recognize the moment when they drop Meghna home
"idiot jaise bAthOn mat karO Jai.....main drop karoongi naa". That whole sequence - till the goodnight slap. Very well done. Unabashedly enjoyable even for a cynic who cringes at such mindless simplicities,

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
JTYJN - no matter how well done can never draw the audience in (the sensible ones) .

nallA irukku qualifier

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
It never takes itself seriously and by the same token IMO should never be taken seriously.
What ? In the sense ? You mean 'the characters are unreal' ? If that is what you mean then I disagree with the use of the expression "not taking itself seriously". All central characters where pretty well and believably carved.
Subramaniyapuram taking itself seriously was kinda comical for me. indha carboard kErattargaLai vachchikittu ennamO sirpamE sedhukkitta feel kuduththaanunga. It was like an unsuccessful limerick writer attempting suicide so his poetry would be taken seriously.
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From: joe
on 23rd January 2009 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
It was like an unsuccessful limerick writer attempting suicide so his poetry would be taken seriously.
aahaa..enna oru uvamai
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From: complicateur
on 23rd January 2009 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
It was like an unsuccessful limerick writer attempting suicide so his poetry would be taken seriously.

I didnt dislike SuPu as much as you did but just for that line I might revise my opinion.
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From: P_R
on 23rd January 2009 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by
joe

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
It was like an unsuccessful limerick writer attempting suicide so his poetry would be taken seriously.
aahaa..enna oru uvamai

indha theme-la oru sirugathai ezhudhalAmnu romba naaL planning-la irundhu project drop aayiruchchu. sari 'ntu conversation-la nuzhachchu vittuttEn.
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From: thilak4life
on 23rd January 2009 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Thilak - have you noticed the influences of these movie makers? you can see their english literary influences. Our guys are mostly influenced by life, Thamizh literature.
The film adaptation is underwhelming in most cases..
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From: equanimus
on 23rd January 2009 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
The less I speak of Sub. the better.
PR,
"oNNiyum paraiyath thEva illa" 'nnu aNNan annaikkE sonnAr. AnA nAn kEkkala.

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Subramaniyapuram taking itself seriously was kinda comical for me. indha carboard kErattargaLai vachchikittu ennamO sirpamE sedhukkitta feel kuduththaanunga. It was like an unsuccessful limerick writer attempting suicide so his poetry would be taken seriously.
LOL! But seriously, that we lap up something as thoughtlessly manufactured as this film because it raises its "serious film" flag high is quite astonishing to me, political correctness be damned.
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From: Plum
on 23rd January 2009 04:00 PM
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PR, compli, jai and eq, just wanted to ask how does JTYJN stacks up against kushi, for instance?
(I am not getting into this discussion as such - just want to bal porukki pottufy from sidelines as heavyweights are playing)
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From: Cinemarasigan
on 23rd January 2009 04:58 PM
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Very interesting & informative discussions happened today in this tread.. Ellaathaiyum at least rendu thadavai Padichhuttaen.. superb
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From: sarna_blr
on 23rd January 2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Cinemarasigan
Very interesting & informative discussions happened today in this tread..
Ellaathaiyum at least rendu thadavai Padichhuttaen.. superb

mudhal dhadavai puriyalaa
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From: Cinemarasigan
on 23rd January 2009 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
Cinemarasigan
Very interesting & informative discussions happened today in this tread..
Ellaathaiyum at least rendu thadavai Padichhuttaen.. superb

mudhal dhadavai puriyalaa

appadiyum sollalaam.. interesting-ah irundhadhaala -num sollalaam...
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From: thamiz
on 23rd January 2009 11:20 PM
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It is very rare, the thamizh ghajin has been remade in hindi and became a HIT!
It does not happen that often
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From: jaiganes
on 24th January 2009 02:54 AM
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@Plum - JTYJN is a better version of Kushi. there was a movie 'Piriyadha varam vendum' Shalini and Prashanth starrer which itself was a mallu remake JTYJN is more closer to it. However I have never met a couple who have not even toyed with the idea of some form of attraction when the entire nation plus ARRahman telling them that they are in love. Idhaye namma oorla 'natpaa kaadhala' appadinnu muraliya vechu eduththa - mokkai podraannnu solvaanga. The point is JTYJN is a clever film and takes all the ciches (like the last minute airport ride climax, bullying, manhandling boyfriend, friends who might have been shipped from any other hindi films etc.,) and uses clever distractions and diversions (Naseer from the photo talking to jai's mom, Cowboys (neenga enna sonnaalum I cannot seem to accept the need for them in the story? They say that they cannot be arrested in Rajasthan so they came to mumbai to get arrested indulging in some machismo bravery activities. In between rajasthan and mumbai I think there are other states also there in India map) clever subplots eclipsing the main dreary love story. I had a blast while watching the movie as much as I enjoy a greatly done vivek comedy track in a thamizh movie. however It is just a one time watch for me. As far as Subbupuram is concerned - Lets accept that you cannot accept it the same way I cannot hail JTYJN and say I have seen a classic!! However you might want to hold an 'Omkaara' in your hands instead of JTYJN when comparing Subbupuram.
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From: complicateur
on 24th January 2009 03:49 AM
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As someone who has had the misfortune of seeing Niram(the saving grace of this movie was the music and the fact that Jayachandran finally re-entered the MalayALam consciousness as a playback singer) and PiriyAtha varam vENdum (which was made considerably worse by Prashanth - which in itself is difficult to do because KunchAckO Boban isnt a thespian by any standards) I think they aren't the chalk to JTYJN's cheese, but they are definitely 8 day old left in the sun cheese to JTYJN's fresh Mozzarella. I did not enjoy a single minute of PVV, and the Kovai SaraLA portions of Niram were completely horrendous, but I would rewatch JTYJN with minimal qualms. And I think everyone concedes that it is a fluffy romantic film, but it is certainly in a different class than the ones made here.
Plum - I have made my case for JTYJN on Baradwaj's comment space before (much to your chagrin), though not in comparison to Khushi. I will embarassedly admit the only parts of Khushi I remember are Vivek's comedy scenes [airhostess Vasanthi en friendu...]
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From: jaiganes
on 24th January 2009 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
As someone who has had the misfortune of seeing Niram(the saving grace of this movie was the music and the fact that Jayachandran finally re-entered the MalayALam consciousness as a playback singer) and PiriyAtha varam vENdum (which was made considerably worse by Prashanth - which in itself is difficult to do because KunchAckO Boban isnt a thespian by any standards) I think they aren't the chalk to JTYJN's cheese, but they are definitely 8 day old left in the sun cheese to JTYJN's fresh Mozzarella. I did not enjoy a single minute of PVV, and the Kovai SaraLA portions of Niram were completely horrendous, but I would rewatch JTYJN with minimal qualms. And I think everyone concedes that it is a fluffy romantic film, but it is certainly in a different class than the ones made here.
Plum - I have made my case for JTYJN on Baradwaj's comment space before (much to your chagrin), though not in comparison to Khushi. I will embarassedly admit the only parts of Khushi I remember are Vivek's comedy scenes [airhostess Vasanthi en friendu...]
pls dont think that I am putting these movies ahead of JTYJN. They remain worser forgettable movies and it goes to show what a talented guy like Abbas do to a stale and hashed up main plot. Make no mistake - JTYJN in its own genre is miles ahead of any other thamizh film made so far - will have to wait and see if Venkat Prabhu is gonna do something there. This one genre - urban romantic comedy Bollywood definitely scores over thamizh films.
We did have our own 'Ooty varai uravu' and Kadhalikka Neramillai and with the setting of the Sridhar sun - that genre is almost dead till Radha mohan came along. 90s were tiringly filled with fake "Kaadhal" stories post Kaadhal Koattai success and it took an amazing film like 'Kaadhal' by Balaji Shakthivel and Bala's Sethu to make people approach that genre with a little more respect.
Now I for one did not feel the MS Bhaskar character purely existing to make fun of - his ailment is initially amusing and slowly it reaches serious proportions and it serves as an interesting side track - his ailment getting serious as the day draws closer to the 'D' Day. It was poignant and I donno if anyone in the theatre were laughing after the initial few scenes. This technique is not forced and has been used to create some screen space and create a foot note - Sridhar used this effectively in 'Nenjil Or Aalayam' with 'Kutty Padmini' character and Balachander continued this in so many films and Mani used Janagaraj character in a similar fashion in Anjali.
It was a sort of tribute to a genre and a heartening plot device.
Phew!! I thought i hated Radha Mohan movies with all sugar coated characters - there seems to have been quite a good amount of writing - good writing behind them . And we should thank him for casting MS Bhaskar continuosly - I knew about MS Bhaskar's talents from his dubbing days and have seen him in some plays. Was very happy when he broke into thamizh film scene through Radha mohan's films. Another great artiste denied of good role because of his looks earlier. I should specially thank the thamizh film directors for consistently casting talented - yet not appealing in a conventional way guys and ladies more often off late. Be it Ilavarasu or Kaadhal Dhandapani - I doubt if such looks would be cast in Bollywood movies - where white fixation of all characters is there in a huge way.
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From: complicateur
on 24th January 2009 05:57 AM
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Jai: I did say that he served a dual purpose - to re-inforce the already proven goodness of Prithviraj's heart. Enakku sakkarai vyAthiyA irukkalAm, adverse reaction aayittuthu - couldn't stand it at all. And I have only seen one scene of Abhiyum nAnum and I can see the same affectation in that too.
I think I can safely say that Radhamohan's movies are far too simplistically ideal for my tastes. Karan Johar lite enriched with our 'moral' standards and served in a middle class milieu. And that should be proof enough of the standards in TFI. When Johar handles issues similarly people lampoon him but in TFI it is path breaking cinema.
"reNdum oNNu thAnE da! kozhappurIngaLe da..."
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From: jaiganes
on 24th January 2009 06:04 AM
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oh compli! where did i say that Radha mohan's movies are path breaking?
He has revisited a genre - JTYJN is also a revisit to Hrishida's urban comedy - except that it is more bolder and has thrown away its middle class sensibilities and pokes fun at almost everything -more playful. I forgot to add one thing..
I liked the Reema sen character in JTYJN - u?
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From: MADDY
on 24th January 2009 07:45 AM
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Jaane tu is one of the best movies in recent times.........i hardly get to see good movies with rahman;s music - and i was pleasantly surprised to see JTYJN.......i think people will discount all my points on JTYJN here on, for the rahman factor..........but i felt the movie was example of great writing - i have never seen a movie with so many characters(Rats,meow se leke constable gaitonde tak) and each having a sub-plot of its own

truly amazing......Abbas tyrewala must be one of the best writers of our times.........and as PR pointed out in Indian films section - the dialogues were so witty - Aditi to her brother with mouse
meow: u love him rite
amit: no, we are just friends
jai seems sad on jiggi's birthday party - their aasthana cribber - 'rothudu' says "apne group mein aur ek rothudu, mein toh insecure ho rahan hoo yaar"
i can just give so many examples.......i doubt if i will ever watch movies of this genre & such delectable writing in tamil.....venkat prabhu is my only hope in tamil plus ameer........
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From: jaiganes
on 24th January 2009 08:16 PM
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@MADDY
This genre is a non starter in thamizh.
Probably you can change the setting to Bangalore - but Chennai - nah. Another reason why comparing that movie Vs any other similar thamizh movie is going to end in a one sided contest. We dont make such models like that anymore here!!
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From: complicateur
on 25th January 2009 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
oh compli! where did i say that Radha mohan's movies are path breaking?
nAn ungalach chollala... I was just a little miffed at the mAr-thattufying post success of the movie, not to mention the group diskassan organised for people to air their opinions on "meaningful" cinema. "enna mAppLa ippadi vekkap padAma pesittE" endRu thAn enakku thonichchu.
And let us not be so certain about the genre being a non-starter in thamizh, there are a couple of people doing interesting things. We might have something interesting with Baradwaj and Milind Rau's KAthal to KalyANam.
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From: Plum
on 25th January 2009 06:13 PM
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I dont know why a JTYJN like tamil movie should be like JTYJN. I mean, if you want to take the average College types, you wont find the South Mumbai type of JTYJN in Tamilnadu. The demographic is different. That demographic is a desparate minority. Besant Nagarla edhavadhu theater irundha dhaan odum in the first place - forget the sub-plots and the side characters in JTYJN - the main part itself is unmarketeable in TN. The only valid comparison is something like Kushi - and if you can adjust your vision to see an average Tamil College-going crowd, Kushi will probably stack up fine to JTYJN.
I think Jai made a fine point when he said the right comparison for Spuram is to Omkara. Another matter that in that case, Spuram will probably show in lesser light in that comparison.
I think taking JTYJN as the beacon light of bollywood's greatness is what takes the mickey out of an average bollywood hater. I enjoy my fine Bollywood films but just dont put JTYJN in a pedestal, please. It is a product of its demographic and its equivalent in Tamil would be as bad as Kushi.
*BTW, Maddy, I have liked JTYJN the album most among post-Swades Rahman*
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From: P_R
on 25th January 2009 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
the main part itself is unmarketeable in TN.
That is what I find quite relieving. yArAvadhu remake paNrEnnu kiLambiruvaangaLo 'nnu bayamA irundhuchu.
Imagine an assault by the Jayam siblings.
ottura vElaiya ozhunga seyngadAnnu ukkAndhu Ottai pOttu koNdu varuvAinga.

Originally Posted by
Plum
I dont know why a JTYJN like tamil movie should be like JTYJN. I mean, if you want to take the average College types, you wont find the South Mumbai type of JTYJN in Tamilnadu.
adada...not recreation of the same type of characters-nga.Such believability even with 'local' characters. Didn't watch Kalloori, but some scenes I watched on TV seemed quite 'right'. But I hear they botched up the movie....adhu vEra vishayam.
Such ease of flow of events, most characters being real individuals not just pieces created for a purpose these were among the strengths of JTYJN, which IMO is conspicuously absent in our films.

Originally Posted by
Plam
I think taking JTYJN as the beacon light of bollywood's greatness is what takes the mickey out of an average bollywood hater.
As I picked it as an example I should comment on this. It was not picked as an example of a 'classic' film. It was a simple unpretentious, eminently enjoyable film without me having to give any handicaps. We don't seem to make those types at all.
From all the talk about demographic etc. I think the answer I hear for all the why nots is something on the lines of : "
andha paya medhuvA thEn varuviAn.....medhuvA thEn varuviAn".
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From: jaiganes
on 26th January 2009 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
I dont know why a JTYJN like tamil movie should be like JTYJN. I mean, if you want to take the average College types, you wont find the South Mumbai type of JTYJN in Tamilnadu. The demographic is different. That demographic is a desparate minority. Besant Nagarla edhavadhu theater irundha dhaan odum in the first place - forget the sub-plots and the side characters in JTYJN - the main part itself is unmarketeable in TN. The only valid comparison is something like Kushi - and if you can adjust your vision to see an average Tamil College-going crowd, Kushi will probably stack up fine to JTYJN.
I think Jai made a fine point when he said the right comparison for Spuram is to Omkara. Another matter that in that case, Spuram will probably show in lesser light in that comparison.
I think taking JTYJN as the beacon light of bollywood's greatness is what takes the mickey out of an average bollywood hater. I enjoy my fine Bollywood films but just dont put JTYJN in a pedestal, please. It is a product of its demographic and its equivalent in Tamil would be as bad as Kushi.
*BTW, Maddy, I have liked JTYJN the album most among post-Swades Rahman*
I feel in the comparison of Subbupuram and Omkara Omkara pips S'Puram slightly at the post because of the source material - 'Othello' is such a complex plot and character study and Subbupuram has to rely on so much of 'setting and location ' recreation to create the desired impact. However let us give the credit to Subramaniapuram for having accomplished to tell a story with no positive characters at all and still keeping the audience hooked till the end.
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From: jaiganes
on 26th January 2009 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
Plum
the main part itself is unmarketeable in TN.
That is what I find quite relieving. yArAvadhu remake paNrEnnu kiLambiruvaangaLo 'nnu bayamA irundhuchu.
Imagine an assault by the Jayam siblings.
ottura vElaiya ozhunga seyngadAnnu ukkAndhu Ottai pOttu koNdu varuvAinga.

Originally Posted by
Plum
I dont know why a JTYJN like tamil movie should be like JTYJN. I mean, if you want to take the average College types, you wont find the South Mumbai type of JTYJN in Tamilnadu.
adada...not recreation of the same type of characters-nga.Such believability even with 'local' characters. Didn't watch Kalloori, but some scenes I watched on TV seemed quite 'right'. But I hear they botched up the movie....adhu vEra vishayam.
Such ease of flow of events, most characters being real individuals not just pieces created for a purpose these were among the strengths of JTYJN, which IMO is conspicuously absent in our films.

Originally Posted by
Plam
I think taking JTYJN as the beacon light of bollywood's greatness is what takes the mickey out of an average bollywood hater.
As I picked it as an example I should comment on this. It was not picked as an example of a 'classic' film. It was a simple unpretentious, eminently enjoyable film without me having to give any handicaps. We don't seem to make those types at all.
From all the talk about demographic etc. I think the answer I hear for all the why nots is something on the lines of : "
andha paya medhuvA thEn varuviAn.....medhuvA thEn varuviAn".
The version of Kalloori I saw was not botched up.
It was very touching. The performances and casting of the rural and small town thamizh nadu college was simply outstanding. I hear that Vasantha baalan's 'Angaadi Theru' is coming up in a similar manner. All new faces - no baggages and a director completely free to tell a story . We can expect more. So the game is not yet over for thamizh films for us to pass a judgement.
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From: Nerd
on 26th January 2009 08:33 AM
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Kalloori-yA? sellAdhu sellAdhu. Only a couple of sub-plots were interesting. Yes, it had the nativity but the movie on the whole was rather lazily written. The hero could not act as well. OTOH, BS's kAdhal is the movie of this decade.
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From: Plum
on 26th January 2009 09:56 AM
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Nerd. we have to define parameters. PR says that JTYJN came up for discussion for the nativity and believability of characters. If Kalloori passes that test, then the plot or the rest dont matter. There, we have our own JTYJN. QED.
OTOH, a direct stupid comparison between JTYJN and Piriyadha Varam Vendum is inherently unfair
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From: complicateur
on 26th January 2009 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
I enjoy my fine Bollywood films but just dont put JTYJN in a pedestal, please. It is a product of its demographic and its equivalent in Tamil would be as bad as Kushi.
I will quite respectfully disagree of course. I guess I enjoyed it so much because the movie seemed very aware of the banality of its central knot. If you compare it with Kushi on those terms is to neglect a lot of the good writing that went into the movie. Personally it was the most fun I had watching a movie this past year. iththOda niruththikkurEn.
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From: Mahen
on 26th January 2009 11:58 AM
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JTYJN ellam oru padam..athuku in depth analysis vera..
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From: Plum
on 26th January 2009 12:12 PM
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compli, i also respectfully disagree. ithoda nanaum niruthikaraen.
Actually, ball porukki potunde irukkarache, field-kulla nuzhainjadhu en thappu dhaan

Why dont you, PR, Jai, Eq continue the discussion on your own lines ignoring JTYJN.
Let's say shall we analye this in terms of
1) being able to present a moviemaker's vision *without compromises* - except Bala, nobody else seems to be able to do this in Tamil so Bollywood wins in my book on this - Mithya and Omkara are fine proofs of this. Subramanyapuram for all its flaws does come close on this aspect
2) Characterisation - the aspect PR alluded to about the characters being believable and behaving like people and not puppets in the hand of the director - I would like to see a discussion in depth on this rather than saying "I thought JTYJN or Kalloori had characters that reflected realness". Can you guys discuss with specific examples of the characters' actions in the movie? I suppose even Bala movies have characters behaving the way he wants them to rather than reflecting a real life equivalent.
3)Writing - a much discussed aspect(and a favourite of Baradwaj Rangan, who atleast Compli and me here respect as the best critic in india). Can we break this down to specific examples?
Idheyellam neenga senja, naan boundary orathulerundhu happy-a pandhu porukki poduvaen.
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From: thamizhvaanan
on 26th January 2009 12:46 PM
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<digr>
Sorry for intruding without any relevance.

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
I feel in the comparison of Subbupuram and Omkara Omkara pips S'Puram slightly at the post because of the source material - 'Othello' is such a complex plot and character study and Subbupuram has to rely on so much of 'setting and location ' recreation to create the desired impact.
It's quite interesting that you mentioned setting & location vs character study. Earlier I was trying to distinguish western sensibility and Indian sensibility and was quite struggling to fabricate my thoughts. This seems to be one of them. HW films always have this excellent character development in their stories which makes the experience more complete, whereas in our case it kind of takes back seat to setting and situation. Characters are like puppets to the setup. Even in films like Nenjam marapadhillai where the characters are very few, situations beyond control takes the centrestage compared to character development. Kamal managed to find the right balance in Guna and Heyram but we also have Mahanadi that was more traditional and spends less time on character development than plot development.
This post is quite irrelevant but I am just trying to find out why or in what way our aesthetics are different from other culture. Perhaps we are giving importance to different things. This might be one of them. Even in our literature this focus (or defocus) exists. We have puram which is totally not personal but even agam doesn't dwell on single character rather a generic thalaivan thalaivi giving more importance to scenario and setup. We don't have a "Ode to Grecian urn" but we do have a lot of works which are beautiful in their own ways. Certainly there is a lot of oversight in whatever I said, knowledgeable people please correct me wherever applicable.
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From: P_R
on 26th January 2009 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
PR says that JTYJN came up for discussion for the nativity and believability of characters. If Kalloori passes that test, then the plot or the rest dont matter. There, we have our own JTYJN. QED.
Nativity, believability thavira I also mentioned "ease of the flow" of the story, sequences/characters not built-for-a-purpose etc.

Originally Posted by
Plum
OTOH, a direct stupid comparison between JTYJN and Piriyadha Varam Vendum is inherently unfair
There was no comparison. I mentioned it to show that the same "knot" had already been dealt in Tamil and so Tyrewala perhaps did was to create magic (here I go again) out of something very pedestrian.

Originally Posted by
Plum
being able to present a moviemaker's vision *without compromises* - except Bala, nobody else seems to be able to do this in Tamil
Even Bala had to have the Simran song sequence in Pithamagan. A self-admitted insertion. Of course he made it enjoyable, but it was a 'compromise' nevertheless.

Originally Posted by
Plum
Can you guys discuss with specific examples of the characters' actions in the movie? I suppose even Bala movies have characters behaving the way he wants them to rather than reflecting a real life equivalent.
Every writer wants his characters to behave the way they do AND move the story along conveniently. It is only the question of whether the edges show or not.
Let me cruelly go back to Simran in Pithamagan. When Simran says "VAt diparanrt subject"....to TP Gajendran, that is funny with the full effort of trying to be so. Caricaturing, building on stereotypes and what not. I persist with this example as it is from the best film of one of our bests.
Now let me give an example of a scene in JTYJN where a vicious stereotype is used hilariously in passing. Ratna Pathak Shah is an activist type and is not the most attarctive lookers. You are left to infer any causality there. In the scene where Jai talks to her about having a girlfriemd, starts with her reclining in a sofa reading a book as Jai enters the house. And the book is "
The Beauty Myth".
You can call it characterization, I will call it stereotyping. But it is so naturally hilarious.
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From: jaiganes
on 26th January 2009 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
thamizhvaanan
<digr>
Sorry for intruding without any relevance.

Originally Posted by
jaiganes
I feel in the comparison of Subbupuram and Omkara Omkara pips S'Puram slightly at the post because of the source material - 'Othello' is such a complex plot and character study and Subbupuram has to rely on so much of 'setting and location ' recreation to create the desired impact.
It's quite interesting that you mentioned setting & location vs character study. Earlier I was trying to distinguish western sensibility and Indian sensibility and was quite struggling to fabricate my thoughts. This seems to be one of them. HW films always have this excellent character development in their stories which makes the experience more complete, whereas in our case it kind of takes back seat to setting and situation. Characters are like puppets to the setup. Even in films like Nenjam marapadhillai where the characters are very few, situations beyond control takes the centrestage compared to character development. Kamal managed to find the right balance in Guna and Heyram but we also have Mahanadi that was more traditional and spends less time on character development than plot development.
This post is quite irrelevant but I am just trying to find out why or in what way our aesthetics are different from other culture. Perhaps we are giving importance to different things. This might be one of them. Even in our literature this focus (or defocus) exists. We have puram which is totally not personal but even agam doesn't dwell on single character rather a generic thalaivan thalaivi giving more importance to scenario and setup. We don't have a "Ode to Grecian urn" but we do have a lot of works which are beautiful in their own ways. Certainly there is a lot of oversight in whatever I said, knowledgeable people please correct me wherever applicable.
There is something called Character study. If you want to compare someone from thamizh literature to shakespeare - it should be Kambar. He establishes and analyses the minute levels of their thought processes and writes a poetic dialogue that can amaze any shakespeare fan. And he did it in a poetic form. To see Ravana as a hero and kumbhakharn as a noble soul - only a Kambar could do that and bring the inner beauty out.
Character driven movies are very difficult to write as they are not about events, just impacts of events and needs very very good trained actors to make them come to life. In this respect Hindi films are at an advantageous position as they have the likes of KK, Irrfan, Vijay Mourya, Zakir hussain, Rajat Kapoor, Vinay Pathak, Ranvir Shorey - all classy character actors but who also were cast as leads for movies as well. We hardly encouraged the character artistes of our generation play lead roles thanks to 'heroism -effect' that we cannot seem to shrug off even 22 years after the real solo hero with charisma - MGR's demise.
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From: Nerd
on 26th January 2009 10:54 PM
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Huh. Even in holly/bolly glitz/glamour/hero worship does exist. And they do make quality movies as well. And post 2000, Bolly's balancing act is admirable - that is missing here.
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 02:40 PM
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BTW, can anyone enlighten me on the Bollywood movie whose story goes like this:
"Heroine is a person who holds Gandhian ideals close to her heart. She worships him. Hero wants to woo her and takes to learning more about Gandhian ideals and eventually ends up using them for his own twisted interpretation and his own ends not necessarily selfish but his own way of implementing them"
I believe the director of this movie wsa hailed as saviour of Indian cinema and hailed for his original fresh story and screenplay.
Can someone enlighten on who was this 'original' director who wrote this story?
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 02:42 PM
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BTW, can anyone enlighten me on the Bollywood movie whose story goes like this:
"Heroine is a person who holds Gandhian ideals close to her heart. She worships him. Hero wants to woo her and takes to learning more about Gandhian ideals and eventually ends up using them for his own twisted interpretation and his own ends not necessarily selfish but his own way of implementing them"
I believe the director of this movie wsa hailed as saviour of Indian cinema and hailed for his original fresh story and screenplay.
Can someone enlighten on who was this 'original' director who wrote this story?
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 02:48 PM
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Plum, r u speaking about LAGE RAHO MUNNABHAI
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 05:50 PM
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sarna, waiting for bollywood people here to confirm. Idhula oru podi irukku
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
sarna, waiting for bollywood people here to confirm.

i didnt get it
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 06:36 PM
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adhavadhu, bollywood advocates here varattum. Appurama explain pannaren
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From: crajkumar_be
on 28th January 2009 06:40 PM
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Plum,
What is the point?

Ok, so that movie is grossly overrated. So?
Sathiyama purila...
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 28th January 2009 06:43 PM
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I supp the originality cropped up somewhere down south, may be kolly
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From: P_R
on 28th January 2009 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
I believe the director of this movie wsa hailed as saviour of Indian cinema and hailed for his original fresh story and screenplay.
yAru sonnA ?
To be read in the same tone as the pazhani mottai in the Vadivelu karunchiruththai bus comedy from Aei :
adhAnE....yArrA adhu kai thattunadhu ?
Anyway, Lage Raho was overrated. But fact remains that one was indeed glad that film was not remade in Tamil, seeing what happened the previous time.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 28th January 2009 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I supp the originality cropped up somewhere down south, may be kolly

Oh! Appo "Mani-Ramani" range la aidum pola irukku, enna PR?
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From: Vivasaayi
on 28th January 2009 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I supp the originality cropped up somewhere down south, may be
kolly 
i believe it should have been started from muttai anyway!IMHO!!
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 28th January 2009 06:52 PM
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From: P_R
on 28th January 2009 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I supp the originality cropped up somewhere down south, may be kolly

Oh! Appo "Mani-Ramani" range la aidum pola irukku, enna PR?

Actually I am curious to know if the Mani-RamaNi dialogue comes in the Malayalam original too.
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 07:19 PM
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prabhu ram, yaaru sonna? Neenga sollaliya? Appo mathavanga varattum? I am going to talk only if there are people here who said that about Lage Raho.
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From: P_R
on 28th January 2009 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
prabhu ram, yaaru sonna? Neenga sollaliya? Appo mathavanga varattum? I am going to talk only if there are people here who said that about Lage Raho.
Enga camp-la yaarum solliyirukka vaaippu illai
Anyway, I made a sufficiently positive statement even about Lage Raho vis-a-vis Tamil Films. May I assume you were also relieved it didn't get remade and mauled in Tamil, even though it wasn't much to begin with ? Or am I taking a dim view on the wealth of talent in TFI ?
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
I supp the originality cropped up somewhere down south, may be kolly

Oh! Appo "Mani-Ramani" range la aidum pola irukku, enna PR?

Actually I am curious to know if the Mani-RamaNi dialogue comes in the Malayalam original too.
No. 'nAdodikattu' is too sophisticated to indulge in that sort of silliness. This is a syndrome that most remakes suffer from. In general, the remake can't help but be profoundly "post-original," often resulting in a much inferior film. In this case, the satiric elements of the original become "self-evident" in the remake. So the remake tries to be "generically" comic instead and shoots in as many directions as it can and ends up revelling in that kind of deal. The essence of the original is simply lost.
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 08:15 PM
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PR/Bala,
'abhiyum nAnum' pAththAchchA? maNi yAru, ramaNi yAru, ellAm clear Ayidum! (nAnum padam pArkkalai, but enakku dhAn mudhallayE theriyumE. :P)
P.S.: Pardon the digression.
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
But fact remains that one was indeed glad that film was not remade in Tamil, seeing what happened the previous time.
1. jeyam raja maadhiri appadiyE copy adichchaa, xerox machine'nu solreenga

if someone like Saran&co tries to change something in munnabhai , u people say it as they spoilt the essense of orginal or mauled the movie

I didnt get this
2. Good remade movie edhu ? any examples

pls from Indian languages, if possible from tamizh ?
I desperately want to know, wt is called as
good remake
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 08:25 PM
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and if someone like P Vasu remakes some movie.... people call it as day-light-murder
I desperately want to know, wt is called as good remake

any examples
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 08:28 PM
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anyway, i dont want to make this a i-know-something-better case. It is just that while I did like Lage Raho Munnabhai, I was startled when I read the review of RKN's Waiting for Mahatma. The plot is lifted from there. Of course, treatment adhu idhunnu saljappu solvango. But the probable original parts of LRM are the soppy taxi driver and the laughably silly sentimental saalving aaf praablems by Dutt bhai. What got my goat was people presenting this as the ultimate trump card of bollywood origninality and superiority. Inge apdi yaarum sollallaingaradhala case is closed.
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 08:29 PM
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sarna, good remake = Kurudhipunal from Drohkaal, for one
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 08:33 PM
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PR, to answer your question, there was nothing much to remake there. It worked in Hindi and let's leave it at that is what I would say about LRM. Too many flaws to bother remaking unless Kamal wanted to bring in Periyar instead of Gandhi and kind of make re-interpret "pagutharivu" for current times. I mean, idol worship has taken a different turn in current times with false Gods(politicians and self-declared box office kings) ruling the roost. Periyarai vechukittu adhai satire panni irundha, I would have welcomed a remake
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From: crajkumar_be
on 28th January 2009 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
PR/Bala,
'abhiyum nAnum' pAththAchchA? maNi yAru, ramaNi yAru, ellAm clear Ayidum! (nAnum padam pArkkalai, but enakku dhAn mudhallayE theriyumE. :P)
P.S.: Pardon the digression.
NA
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 08:38 PM
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Sarna_blr,
kashtamAna kELvi. Only very few remakes manage to come out of the shadows of the original and become something on their own. If made by a good filmmaker, I think remakes could be really interesting too. Let me put back the question to you. Why should there necessarily be some good way for any filmmaker to remake a film? Why do you insist (if at all) that there should be some way or the other for a Saran or a Raja to do a good remake?
Plum,
Pardon me for hijacking the thread to a different direction.
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 08:46 PM
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eq, the advantage with your digressions is that it is very difficult to comprehend your questions - whether you are rhetorically asking yourself or engalai pathu, mudinja idhai answer pannungadanu sollara maadhiriyanu so I expect not many responses for that

PR, just noticed that you have slyly slipped in the Vadivelu-mottai-yaaru-kai-thattinadhu reference. Appo neenga nejamave kai thattineengala? naan dhaan puriyama kai thattalainu nenachu innocent-a badhil sonnena? aha! kelambittangayya!
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 08:47 PM
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eq, how does thalavattom stack against OFOCN? konjam kashtam dhaan but Mohanlal made it worth atleast discussing a comparison I guess.
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
eq, the advantage with your digressions is that it is very difficult to comprehend your questions - whether you are rhetorically asking yourself or engalai pathu, mudinja idhai answer pannungadanu sollara maadhiriyanu so I expect not many responses for that

LOL! saththiya sOdhanai... avvaLO mOsamAvA irukku?

Originally Posted by
Plum
eq, how does thalavattom stack against OFOCN? konjam kashtam dhaan but Mohanlal made it worth atleast discussing a comparison I guess.
Yet to see Thalavattam, Plum. Actually I've not seen OFOCN either!

It is one of those films that I keep missing because I get into a "running show" halfway. But yes, Mohanlal alone should be reason enough to discuss Thalavattam.
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From: crajkumar_be
on 28th January 2009 09:06 PM
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Tamil-la kooda remake pannaingalo?
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 09:14 PM
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Not that Plum asked for it (!), but let me expand on the syndrome I talked about in the earlier post. My point is that the central motifs of the original become self-evident in the remake and the latter treats them as
pastiches in some sense. In case of comedies, the comic tropes are much more selfconsciously handled (often with strains of self-parody). To an extent, this is true even for 'thillu mullu', which is of course a pretty good remake.
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Tamil-la kooda remake pannaingalo?
Yes. manasukkuL maththAppu. SA Rajkumar meesic.
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 28th January 2009 09:18 PM
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abhiyum naanmum is a remake??? whatever it is, looking at the tamil version's casting, the movie shud be named "தத்தியும் நானும்"
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From: Vivasaayi
on 28th January 2009 09:21 PM
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"Avvai shanmugi" is a lot funnier than Mrs.Doubtfire
Any idea abt rudra veena?..better than unnal mudiyum thambi?????
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
abhiyum naanmum is a remake???
No. adhu vERa matter. Never mind, it's a long story.
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 09:32 PM
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vivassayi, I thought Rudra Veena was better than UMT. I think someone alluded to it in hub that Kamal probably didnt buy into the UMT theme so well and that reflected in the movie overall. Chiranjeevi, severely limited actor when compared to Kamal, seemed to believe and buy in the theme and was sincere and that carried Rudraveena very well. Besides, I am partial to Tharali Raadha Thane Vasantham when compared to Punjai Undu
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From: Plum
on 28th January 2009 09:34 PM
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eq, no, no, was just kidding. I love your theorising. Sometimes puriyattalaiyum, mostly engaging.
Excellent point on pastiches. Much more so with literal remakes. Also, I wonder if a person who has seen the original sees a different movie when he sees the remake than the person who hasnt seen the original. Very good point you made there.
CRajkumar, your namesake's Poonthendrale nee Paadi vaa kettadhillaiya? Actually, it wasnt half-bad an album and he was tolerable then. Just that sarakku ran out after 2-3 movies and then he became intolerable.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 28th January 2009 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
vivassayi, I thought Rudra Veena was better than UMT. I think someone alluded to it in hub that Kamal probably didnt buy into the UMT theme so well and that reflected in the movie overall. Chiranjeevi, severely limited actor when compared to Kamal, seemed to believe and buy in the theme and was sincere and that carried Rudraveena very well. Besides, I am partial to Tharali Raadha Thane Vasantham when compared to Punjai Undu

The theme was very similar to "varumayin niram sigappu" father-son episode.
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 28th January 2009 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Sarna_blr,
kashtamAna kELvi. Only very few remakes manage to come out of the shadows of the original and become something on their own. If made by a good filmmaker, I think remakes could be really interesting too. Let me put back the question to you. Why should there necessarily be some good way for any filmmaker to remake a film? Why do you insist (if at all) that there should be some way or the other for a Saran or a Raja to do a good remake?
nallA samAlikkaReenga. It would be better if you would've answered it straight. It happens in many posts. Why complicate it? I already told this and I'm sorry for bringing it again. Why don't people keep it simple?! Sorry if I sounded harsh to anyone. pothuvA thAn solREn.
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Sarna_blr,
kashtamAna kELvi. Only very few remakes manage to come out of the shadows of the original and become something on their own. If made by a good filmmaker, I think remakes could be really interesting too. Let me put back the question to you.
interesting

Originally Posted by
equanimus
Why should there necessarily be some good way for any filmmaker to remake a film?
naan apdi solla varalai

I have observed in hub few comments over remake.
1. for the movies remade by P Vasu, people used to say the
remake is day-light-murdering
2. for Raja, people address him as
xerox copy , mimicry director and some say that like
calling Raja as director itself is sin
3. in one of previous posts, PR commented as

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Anyway, Lage Raho was overrated. But fact remains that one was indeed glad that film was not remade in Tamil, seeing what happened the previous time.
wt did i understand from the above post is that they mauled Munnabhai MBBS by remaking it in thamizh

(am I comprehended correctly

)

Originally Posted by
equanimus
Why do you insist (if at all) that there should be some way or the other for a Saran or a Raja to do a good remake?
actually my question is wt makes saran/vasu/raja's remakes as bad/worst remakes
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
Any idea abt rudra veena?..better than unnal mudiyum thambi?????
r u speaking about Telugu version

if yes, both were directed by KB :P
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
sarna, good remake = Kurudhipunal from Drohkaal, for one
then I should watch Drohkal asap
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From: Vivasaayi
on 28th January 2009 09:46 PM
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i watched parts of arjun - the original of satya.
the hero was nowhere near our satyas manliness,rawness or acting(this is implicitely understood).somberi maadhiri irundhan
music of the original arjun... compare-E pannakoodadhu.
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA
nallA samAlikkaReenga. It would be better if you would've answered it straight. It happens in many posts. Why complicate it? I already told this and I'm sorry for bringing it again. Why don't people keep it simple?! Sorry if I sounded harsh to anyone. pothuvA thAn solREn.
suththamA puriyala, Venkiraja. idha vida straight'A nAn pesinadhE illai! edhai suththi vaLaikkiREn'nu solRInga? That remakes are always useless? But I don't think so. appuRam eppadi appadi solla mudiyum? Just a few posts above, Plum mentioned 'kuruththippunal' as a good remake. And I definitely agree. I shudder to think of putting 'kuruthippunal' and 'Biwi No. 1' in the same ballpark. So there.
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 28th January 2009 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
i watched parts of arjun - the original of satya.
the hero was nowhere near our satyas manliness,rawness or acting(this is implicitely understood).somberi maadhiri irundhan
music of the original arjun... compare-E pannakoodadhu.

If vasool raja was bad, Shankar dada?
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From: Shakthiprabha.
on 28th January 2009 09:51 PM
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arjun was done by sunny deol?
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From: VENKIRAJA
on 28th January 2009 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
suththamA puriyala, Venkiraja. idha vida straight'A nAn pesinadhE illai!

Originally Posted by
equanimus
edhai suththi vaLaikkiREn'nu solRInga? That remakes are always useless? But I don't think so. appuRam eppadi appadi solla mudiyum? Just a few posts above, Plum mentioned 'kuruththippunal' as a good remake. And I definitely agree. I shudder to think of putting 'kuruthippunal' and 'Biwi No. 1' in the same ballpark. So there.
ithu enakku pOna post-a vida theLiva paduthu. atha thAn sonnEn. ipdi sollitu pOyirukalAmnu sonnEn. antha question simple-a? I found it complicated.
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From: Vivasaayi
on 28th January 2009 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
Shakthiprabha
arjun was done by sunny deol?
yes.
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
VENKIRAJA

Originally Posted by
equanimus
edhai suththi vaLaikkiREn'nu solRInga? That remakes are always useless? But I don't think so. appuRam eppadi appadi solla mudiyum? Just a few posts above, Plum mentioned 'kuruththippunal' as a good remake. And I definitely agree. I shudder to think of putting 'kuruthippunal' and 'Biwi No. 1' in the same ballpark. So there.
ithu enakku pOna post-a vida theLiva paduthu. atha thAn sonnEn. ipdi sollitu pOyirukalAmnu sonnEn. antha question simple-a? I found it complicated.
Venkiraja,
But you should also appreciate that I am not really able to sense that it's "complicated" when I wrote it! It only means that I'm quite bad at putting my thoughts in words. How does "samALiththal" come into picture? I'd begin to clarify only when I am told it's not clear, isn't it?

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr

Originally Posted by
equanimus
Why do you insist (if at all) that there should be some way or the other for a Saran or a Raja to do a good remake?
actually my question is wt makes saran/vasu/raja's remakes as bad/worst remakes

Sarna_blr,
The movies themselves, I suppose? See, that's exactly how I came to ask that question. Why do you think (at least some of) these remakes ought to be treated with more respect?
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From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
on 28th January 2009 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus

Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
abhiyum naanmum is a remake???
No. adhu vERa matter. Never mind, it's a long story.
infact, i never cared. i mainly wanted to emphasize what i said in next line
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
Excellent point on pastiches. Much more so with literal remakes.
Plum,
Yes. Especially the remakes that set out to simply 'redo' the original essentially to meet its genre criteria. All David Dhawan wanted to do with his remake was to recreate 'sathi lIlAvathi' scene by scene so that he could play out all the jokes from the original. Naturally he might have felt the urge to turn things more farcical so as to get more laughs, etc. This is true for all kinds of films. Look what they did to 'kirIdam'!

Originally Posted by
Plum
Also, I wonder if a person who has seen the original sees a different movie when he sees the remake than the person who hasnt seen the original. Very good point you made there.
Oh, I agree. Surely they can't see the same film.
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Why do you think (at least some of) these remakes ought to be treated with more respect?

my question is if u feel these are worst/bad remakes, then gimme some examples for better/good remakes
I am asking u people to define(according to u people) wt is good remake and wt is bad remake and give some examples with sample scenes
PS.... i am curious to know u people opinions.... I am not asking this question for argument sake
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From: equanimus
on 28th January 2009 11:38 PM
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Nothing wrong in questioning for argument's sake either, Sarna_blr.

I tried to answer your question because you also referred to my remark about a remake losing the essence of its original. With respect to Vasoolraja MBBS, I think it is very true. Otherwise, I haven't really seen the Telugu originals that Jayam Ravi-Raja combo remade (nor am I interested to). I haven't seen P. Vasu's 'chInu' either. So can't really comment on others' comments about these films.
As for example of a good remake, I think we spoke about 'kuruthippunal.'
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From: sarna_blr
on 28th January 2009 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus
Nothing wrong in questioning for argument's sake either, Sarna_blr.

I tried to answer your question because you also referred to my remark about a remake losing the essence of its original. With respect to Vasoolraja MBBS, I think it is very true. Otherwise, I haven't really seen the Telugu originals that Jayam Ravi-Raja combo remade (nor am I interested to). I haven't seen P. Vasu's 'chInu' either. So can't really comment on others' comments about these films.
ok

Originally Posted by
equanimus
As for example of a good remake, I think we spoke about 'kuruthippunal.'
only one film

that too commercially a flop movie right
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From: complicateur
on 28th January 2009 11:44 PM
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Thread direction mAriduchchE.
I was another who thought LRM Bhai was severely overrated.

Originally Posted by
Plum
eq, how does thalavattom stack against OFOCN? konjam kashtam dhaan but Mohanlal made it worth atleast discussing a comparison I guess.
As a film and in terms of acting [barring Lal and Jagathi of course but the nature of their roles are significantly different] ThALavattom is quite inferior ( the benefit of ThALavattom being the lovely songs - Pon veeNE en uLLiL...). But the aura of the asylum is significantly different in both films.

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
I am asking u people to define(according to u people) wt is good remake and wt is bad remake and give some examples with sample scenes

I guess a remade film will gain some credibility if the story knot/ similar plot points are used but the film maker adapts it to his own sensibilities or at least is able to draw out the thematic arcs from the original and reapply them to alternative plot dynamics.
thEvar Magan (much better IMO) and nAyagan are very good remakes of The Godfather. Avvai ShaNmugi was well customized.
Marubadiyum was a decent remake of Arth, at least in the sense that it didn't disgrace the original material.
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From: P_R
on 29th January 2009 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
3. in one of previous posts, PR commented as

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Anyway, Lage Raho was overrated. But fact remains that one was indeed glad that film was not remade in Tamil, seeing what happened the previous time.
wt did i understand from the above post is that they mauled Munnabhai MBBS by remaking it in thamizh

(am I comprehended correctly

)
Yes exactly.

Originally Posted by
equanimus
PR/Bala,
'abhiyum nAnum' pAththAchchA? maNi yAru, ramaNi yAru, ellAm clear Ayidum! (nAnum padam pArkkalai, but enakku dhAn mudhallayE theriyumE. :P)
P.S.: Pardon the digression.
Naanum paakkalai. aanaa naan veLLiththirai paarththEn. adhunAla doubt persists. idhai paththi virivA appuram pEsuvOm.
Plum, my point is, they botched up a much better film Munnaibhai MBBS. When the source material is even worse, I shudder to think.
The pazhani mottai reference was to table the fact that there were indeed several enjoyable scenes even in Lage Raho - the restroom scene at the radio station where Arshad Warsi is great flow is one example. I shuddered to think of Kamal and Prabhu - two pretty good comedians mind you - messing that up.
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From: jaiganes
on 29th January 2009 07:02 AM
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Ellarum enthiran thread poai paarunga.
Rehabilitation robotics bollywoodla innum think pannalai nnu ninaikaren. Late Sujatha punniyathula scifi padam eduthu namma racela mundhippom pola!!!
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From: P_R
on 29th January 2009 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Ellarum enthiran thread poai paarunga.
Rehabilitation robotics bollywoodla innum think pannalai nnu ninaikaren. Late Sujatha punniyathula scifi padam eduthu namma racela mundhippom pola!!!
Oru Shankar padam moolamA, TFI Bollywood-ai mundhumnu edhirpArkkura optimisaththai naan pArAtturEn
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From: groucho070
on 29th January 2009 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by
jaiganes
Ellarum enthiran thread poai paarunga.
Rehabilitation robotics bollywoodla innum think pannalai nnu ninaikaren. Late Sujatha punniyathula scifi padam eduthu namma racela mundhippom pola!!!
Am not sure, Jai. The last effort was not, I repeat, not a step forward for both Shankar and Rajini. Sivaji was enjoyable romp, wonderful in terms of recycling the best of Rajini, but that's it.
Not sure what this one will turn out to be, and looking that Shankar is infatuated with technologies borrowed from Hollywood and still come out half-baked (the technology, I mean), is not a good indication of the step to the future.
I'd say its the smaller films that will push TFI forward. Smaller films, with organic subject, with original performances. Not this one. This looks like an overblown fan fiction, just like Sivaji was. (not a complaint, as Rajini fan I mean).
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From: sarna_blr
on 29th January 2009 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
I am asking u people to define(according to u people) wt is good remake and wt is bad remake and give some examples with sample scenes

I guess a remade film will gain some credibility if the story knot/ similar plot points are used but the film maker adapts it to his own sensibilities or at least is able to draw out the thematic arcs from the original and reapply them to alternative plot dynamics.
thEvar Magan (much better IMO) and
nAyagan are very good remakes of The Godfather.
Avvai ShaNmugi was well customized.
Marubadiyum was a decent remake of Arth, at least in the sense that it didn't disgrace the original material.
interesting
one more question.... any other examples for good remake from one Indian language to other ( ie.. malayalam to tamizh or hindhi to tamizh or thamizh to hindhi etc)..... except kurudhipunal
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From: crajkumar_be
on 29th January 2009 09:52 AM
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Sarna,
Sathi Leelavathi and Rama Shama Bhama (Kannada). The latter was not close to the original (but Kannadigas like hubber Cinefan think the remake was better) but in any case, it was a decent remake
P.S: Sathi Leelavathi itself is an inspired take/remake/customization of She Devil.
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From: groucho070
on 29th January 2009 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
one more question.... any other examples for good remake from one Indian language to other ( ie.. malayalam to tamizh or hindhi to tamizh or thamizh to hindhi etc)..... except kurudhipunal

Try P. Vasu movies
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From: sarna_blr
on 29th January 2009 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Sarna,
Sathi Leelavathi and Rama Shama Bhama (Kannada). The latter was not close to the original (but Kannadigas like hubber Cinefan think the remake was better) but in any case, it was a decent remake
P.S: Sathi Leelavathi itself is an inspired take/remake/customization of She Devil.
Sathi leelavathi fullaa paaththirukkEn

but rama-shama-bhama'la 50% paaththirukkEn

mainly Kamal-shruti portion was well adapted in kannada.....
andha dharwad accent ( funny accent like our kovai's

)
by Kamal was mindblowing

shruti too amarakkalapaduththified

other than that remaining seemed to be same

( naan paarththavarayil )
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From: sarna_blr
on 29th January 2009 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070

Originally Posted by
sarna_blr
one more question.... any other examples for good remake from one Indian language to other ( ie.. malayalam to tamizh or hindhi to tamizh or thamizh to hindhi etc)..... except kurudhipunal

Try P. Vasu movies

I think I didnt miss a single of P Vasu

my goodness that I never watched the original ones
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From: Plum
on 29th January 2009 10:37 AM
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sarna, let me try to give a few examples of remakes that were good - all my opinion of course.
1. As eq observed, Thillu Mullu vs Golmaal, though I have a tad higher preference for the latter. Example of scene - the interview scene where Utpal Dutt played it straight but Thengai brought in his brand of humour and enhanced it. (there was a little bit of self-consciousness here that PR referred to as prevalent in Crazy dramas - the Hindi version was very straight and Utpal Dutt's character is completely under the cloud whereas Thengai kind of slyly winks at the audience like ivan ennai ematharan but neenga sirikkanumgaruthkkaga naan theriyaadha maadhirye maintain pannaren - and I enjoyed that wink-wink play from Thengai and Rajni. )
Why I like that wink-wink mechanism employed? Bcause if you are viewing Thillu Mullu standalone, it still is in the spirit of the original but if you are viewing it as a remake of Golmaal, it acknowledges to you the viewer that "Yes, I know you have seen Golmaal therefore you know how this is going to pan out so let me also play along the same way" Its as if Thengai has seen golmaal and understands what Rajni is doing to him but wants to play along because he is aware he is making Thillu Mully for Tamil audience - and it kind of enhances my participation in the movie as a viewer
Hope that gives you some window into my thinking as to what a good remake *can* be. Note, *can* not *should*
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From: sarna_blr
on 29th January 2009 11:10 AM
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Plum, purinjamaadhiriyum irukku

puriyaadha maadhiriyu irukku

original version'a paakkaama neenga sollavar'radha purinjukka mudiyaadhunu thonudhu
PS.... Is Thillimullu's screenplay and dialogues were by Director Visu
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From: Plum
on 29th January 2009 11:43 AM
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sarna, I think so, yes, think it is Visu
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From: groucho070
on 29th January 2009 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
sarna, I think so, yes, think it is Visu
It is.
One of four films Visu wrote for Rajini (guess the other three

)
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From: equanimus
on 29th January 2009 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
One of four films Visu wrote for Rajini (guess the other three

)
groucho070,
neRRikkaN, ARilirundhu aRubathu varai, pudhuk kavidhai? Just guessing.
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From: groucho070
on 29th January 2009 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus

Originally Posted by
groucho070
One of four films Visu wrote for Rajini (guess the other three

)
groucho070,
neRRikkaN, ARilirundhu aRubathu varai, pudhuk kavidhai? Just guessing.
(Buzzing sound) You got only one right. Netrikann.
I think the other two are by PA.
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From: complicateur
on 29th January 2009 12:56 PM
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From: groucho070
on 29th January 2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by
complicateur
groucho: Mr.Bharath ?
Correct.
Okay, I'll let it out.
Visu was at least the dialogue writer for these films: Sathuranggam, Tillu Mullu, Netrikann and Mr. Barath. Enakku terinthavarai.
Plus in TM, he does the voice over for the dude who answers interview question on the college names.
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From: equanimus
on 29th January 2009 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
Plus in TM, he does the voice over for the dude who answers interview question on the college names.
Yes. It's funny the way he says "1, 4, 7, 10."
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From: thilak4life
on 29th January 2009 01:09 PM
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Yeah, I sort of got the wink-wink too. Purported by KB and Visu as much as the actors. Me thinks.

Originally Posted by
Plum
sarna, let me try to give a few examples of remakes that were good - all my opinion of course.
1. As eq observed, Thillu Mullu vs Golmaal, though I have a tad higher preference for the latter. Example of scene - the interview scene where Utpal Dutt played it straight but Thengai brought in his brand of humour and enhanced it. (there was a little bit of self-consciousness here that PR referred to as prevalent in Crazy dramas - the Hindi version was very straight and Utpal Dutt's character is completely under the cloud whereas Thengai kind of slyly winks at the audience like ivan ennai ematharan but neenga sirikkanumgaruthkkaga naan theriyaadha maadhirye maintain pannaren - and I enjoyed that wink-wink play from Thengai and Rajni. )
Why I like that wink-wink mechanism employed? Bcause if you are viewing Thillu Mullu standalone, it still is in the spirit of the original but if you are viewing it as a remake of Golmaal, it acknowledges to you the viewer that "Yes, I know you have seen Golmaal therefore you know how this is going to pan out so let me also play along the same way" Its as if Thengai has seen golmaal and understands what Rajni is doing to him but wants to play along because he is aware he is making Thillu Mully for Tamil audience - and it kind of enhances my participation in the movie as a viewer
Hope that gives you some window into my thinking as to what a good remake *can* be. Note, *can* not *should*
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From: Plum
on 29th January 2009 04:03 PM
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Thilak, sure of course, credit to KB and Visu. I mentioned wink-wink mechanism to indicate that it is part of the screenplay itself. Should have explicitly mentioned KB and Visu, too.
Groucho, I was going to mention Sadhurangam but i saw that you had already answered it. Madhanotsavam Radhiyodu dhaan - nice song, thanks for reminding of it but a bit of a visual nightmare for me so withdraw the thanks in retrospect
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From: groucho070
on 30th January 2009 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
Thilak, sure of course, credit to KB and Visu. I mentioned wink-wink mechanism to indicate that it is part of the screenplay itself. Should have explicitly mentioned KB and Visu, too.
Groucho, I was going to mention Sadhurangam but i saw that you had already answered it. Madhanotsavam Radhiyodu dhaan - nice song, thanks for reminding of it but a bit of a visual nightmare for me so withdraw the thanks in retrospect

Enna sar, nalla thaaney irukkum? Okay, the display of bell bottom was a bit over the top, but it was decently shot scene for its time. Yeah, the song is nice (composer yaarunnu maranthutteen).
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From: Plum
on 30th January 2009 10:49 AM
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groucho, it is just taste. adhai vidunga. Composer was V Kumar
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From: Sarna
on 27th May 2009 06:29 PM
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http://loyalhardy.blogspot.com/searc...om%20Hollywood
In this blog , there is a list of Hindi movies that are copied from Hollywood and other languages
Note :- I am bringing this link here to support kollywood.... so I kindly request u all to ignore few comments on their favourites. Let us speak about Bollywood vs kollywood only :P
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From: crajkumar_be
on 27th May 2009 06:34 PM
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Namma copy adikkala/inspire aagala ngareengala?
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From: P_R
on 27th May 2009 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sarna
Note :- I am bringing this link here to support kollywood....
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From: Plum
on 4th June 2009 04:43 PM
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Idhoda current status enna? Edhavadhu nilamai maari irukka?
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From: Nerd
on 4th June 2009 10:15 PM
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Indhi padam release aagi 3 months aachu. Multiplex owners strike-aamE
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From: HonestRaj
on 4th June 2009 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd
Indhi padam release aagi 3 months aachu. Multiplex owners strike-aamE

one of the reason for Ayan's good run in Bangalore multiplexes
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by
HonestRaj

Originally Posted by
Nerd
Indhi padam release aagi 3 months aachu. Multiplex owners strike-aamE

one of the reason for Ayan's good run in Bangalore multiplexes
டெலிகட் பொசிசன் :P
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Namma copy adikkala/inspire aagala ngareengala?
indha thread'a innum 10 page Ottalaamnu nenachchEn
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From: groucho070
on 5th June 2009 09:15 AM
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I can help by first praising your avatar
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by
groucho070
I can help by first praising your avatar

Hindhila chak de India maadhiri oru padam edukka kooda Shaaru khan maadhiri crowd pullar thEvappadudhu :P
namma aalunga ch-28, VKK'nu kalakkittirukkaanga
bollywood maadhiri orEy padaththula copy adichchu maattikkaama, namma aalunga pala padaththula irundhu suttu Ayan maadhiri oru padam eduththu audience'a confuse pannuvaanga
....thodarum
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From: Hulkster
on 5th June 2009 09:57 AM
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I think i have not spoken on this matter before. While both industries have their fair share of copies and remakes, bollywood takes more blame due to their constant reference as the no 1 industry and the direct competitor to hollywood(ironically copying most of their film styles from there) and the influence shows.
Kollywood has also copied quite a number of films from hollywood and foreign films but they still have their unique originality in some films compared to the former. Currently kollywood is on the rise while bollywood is getting stagnant.
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From: Nerd
on 5th June 2009 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by
Hulkster
Currently kollywood is on the rise while bollywood is getting stagnant.
Well may be because no new films have released in the last three months. Anyway can you name the Bolly films that you have seen in the last three years or so??
Have said this before, after 2003 Bolly >>>>> Kolly even if you dismiss all of Bolly's copies and include all of Kolly's copies.
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From: MADDY
on 5th June 2009 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd

Originally Posted by
Hulkster
Currently kollywood is on the rise while bollywood is getting stagnant.
Well may be because no new films have released in the last three months. Anyway can you name the Bolly films that you have seen in the last three years or so??
Have said this before, after 2003 Bolly >>>>> Kolly even if you dismiss all of Bolly's copies and include all of Kolly's copies.
Nerd, why are you even talking

i dont think any bollywood basher here has seen any hindi movie post 2003 apart from the obvious masalas like race or om shanti om.......all accusations on bollywood fit the 90's hindi movies......i dont think there is any idea of current bollywood......also, its irritatingly taken up as north v south fight

........bollywood's finest technicians have been from south india.....
hindi padangala paakamale thitradhu abathham and doesent warrant replies
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY
hindi padangala paakamale thitradhu abathham and doesent warrant replies
blind assumption
idhEy thread'la neenga , PR ...innum sila pEr sonna best recent bollywood movies(with subtitles) paaththuttu dhaanga kollywood'ku support panrEn
movie by movie...scene by scene...frame by frame... compare pannanum'nu solreengalaa
//
previous post "10 page Ottanum" ellaam thamaasukku... serious movies'la GM-Senthil comedy maadhiri
silarukku sirippu varum...silarukku erichchal varum 
//
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From: Hulkster
on 5th June 2009 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by
MADDY

Originally Posted by
Nerd

Originally Posted by
Hulkster
Currently kollywood is on the rise while bollywood is getting stagnant.
Well may be because no new films have released in the last three months. Anyway can you name the Bolly films that you have seen in the last three years or so??
Have said this before, after 2003 Bolly >>>>> Kolly even if you dismiss all of Bolly's copies and include all of Kolly's copies.
Nerd, why are you even talking

i dont think any bollywood basher here has seen any hindi movie post 2003 apart from the obvious masalas like race or om shanti om.......all accusations on bollywood fit the 90's hindi movies......i dont think there is any idea of current bollywood......also, its irritatingly taken up as north v south fight

........bollywood's finest technicians have been from south india.....
hindi padangala paakamale thitradhu abathham and doesent warrant replies
Vendaam, i could safely say your only supporting bolly because of ARR being numero uno there. If he was numero uno in telugu you would start coming up with 2 page write-ups on how telugu villains are actually wonderful actors.
I have watched bollywood films quite alot and yes they are better than their kolly counterparts, i only dislike them cause they are mounting a direct challenge to hollywood yet openly copy them. But despite this i like their usage of NRI/desi flavour in their films.
But when i said kollywood is on the rise is because of the village styled innocence coming back, it may not be good as a bolly film nowadays but there is a strong originality here which makes me like it. Otherwise my most honest answer is that bollywood has a slight edge over kollywood.
I think the best fight is not kollywood vs bollywood but rather bollywood vs malluwood. Makes for a spicey fight.
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 03:00 PM
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One more point
I dont think there are dark coloured and sumaar faired heroes becoming top stars in Bollywood

Namma oorula thalaivar, Captain, BBM(

) , Vijay (maaniram), Dhanush etc top heroes ....
Hollywood'la irukkaanga :P
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From: Plum
on 5th June 2009 03:02 PM
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Dark colour-la heroine-e theraadhu - kajol thavira. Idhula heroes enga...
(udane varum paarunga, Ajay Devgan-nu badhil)
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From: P_R
on 5th June 2009 03:27 PM
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maRupadiyumA
ippo enna nadanthu pOchchunnu indha thread reopen aagudhu
I watched Gulaal. Pretty disappointed. It was not that deep, more style than content, didn't come together. But still it beats any Tamil film I have seen this year.
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From: Plum
on 5th June 2009 03:39 PM
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PR, naangaLlam heroine dark colour level-la pesindirukkom - neenga vandhu Gulaal, Black Fridaynnuttu.
Chumma bore adichidhu adhukku dhaan keLarinen. Hindi films marubadi varache serious argument paNNalam. Ippodhaikku, my daddy is bigger levelleye maintain paNNuvom
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From: P_R
on 5th June 2009 03:41 PM
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Black-white, fair and lovely, Indians (adhaavadhu aduththavanga) are racist estra estra dhaanE. nadaththunga
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From: MADDY
on 5th June 2009 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
Hulkster
Vendaam, i could safely say your only supporting bolly because of ARR being numero uno there. If he was numero uno in telugu you would start coming up with 2 page write-ups on how telugu villains are actually wonderful actors.
ayyo

ayyo
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From: Plum
on 5th June 2009 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Black-white, fair and lovely, Indians (adhaavadhu aduththavanga) are racist estra estra dhaanE. nadaththunga
adhe adhe. Ennai thavira matha Indians-lam racist dhaane...
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Black-white, fair and lovely, Indians (adhaavadhu aduththavanga) are racist estra estra dhaanE. nadaththunga
yEn indha kObam
edhu better'na we have to list everything that comes into account rite ???
neenga bollywood'oda perumaya solreenga

naan kollywood'Oda perumaya solrEn
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From: P_R
on 5th June 2009 04:37 PM
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kObam ellAm illeenga. Curiosity only.
padam ellAm pAththuttu dhaan solrEnneengaLE. kadandha pala pakkangaL-la kuRippitta endha indhi padam ungaLukku endha thamizh padaththai vida nallA irundhadhA thONichchu ?
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From: crajkumar_be
on 5th June 2009 04:58 PM
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Black, white-a? aduthu enna
Kollywood is better because we have a lot of fat keroes and keroines??
Quality of films thavira matra ellaathayum izhukkureenga! nyayama pesungappa
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From: crajkumar_be
on 5th June 2009 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Black-white, fair and lovely, Indians (adhaavadhu aduththavanga) are racist estra estra dhaanE. nadaththunga
adhe adhe. Ennai thavira matha Indians-lam racist dhaane...
Racism pathi sila pala kelvigal, dilemmakkal, karuthugal irukku.. aana adhellam eppadi solradhu nu nenaikkumbodhu varra kelvi kooda..nn.. ninnududhu...
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From: equanimus
on 5th June 2009 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
Dark colour-la heroine-e theraadhu - kajol thavira. Idhula heroes enga...
Isn't it the other way round? idikkudhE.
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
kObam ellAm illeenga. Curiosity only.
padam ellAm pAththuttu dhaan solrEnneengaLE. kadandha pala pakkangaL-la kuRippitta endha indhi padam ungaLukku endha thamizh padaththai vida nallA irundhadhA thONichchu ?
enakku endha padamum pidikkalaingradhu dhaanga unmai

idhukku mEla naan ennaththa solla
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From: P_R
on 5th June 2009 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sarna
idhukku mEla naan ennaththa solla

ditto
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From: Plum
on 5th June 2009 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be

Originally Posted by
Plum

Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
Black-white, fair and lovely, Indians (adhaavadhu aduththavanga) are racist estra estra dhaanE. nadaththunga
adhe adhe. Ennai thavira matha Indians-lam racist dhaane...
Racism pathi sila pala kelvigal, dilemmakkal, karuthugal irukku.. aana adhellam eppadi solradhu nu nenaikkumbodhu varra kelvi kooda..nn.. ninnududhu...
appo PM pannunga
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From: villan007
on 5th June 2009 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sarna
enakku endha padamum pidikkalaingradhu dhaanga unmai
adade
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From: Plum
on 5th June 2009 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
equanimus

Originally Posted by
Plum
Dark colour-la heroine-e theraadhu - kajol thavira. Idhula heroes enga...
Isn't it the other way round? idikkudhE.
Enakky iDikkalai - peN endral pEyum irangum logic-pa. Ponnungalukku extra-leeway koduthu dark-aanalum matha attributes-la adjust aayippanganu nenachen - apdi illaiya?
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Quality of films thavira matra ellaathayum izhukkureenga! nyayama pesungappa

adhukku proper'aana definitions illaadhadhu dhaanga prachchanayE
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From: crajkumar_be
on 5th June 2009 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sarna

Originally Posted by
crajkumar_be
Quality of films thavira matra ellaathayum izhukkureenga! nyayama pesungappa

adhukku proper'aana definitions illaadhadhu dhaanga prachchanayE

"enakku endha padamum pidikkalaingradhu dhaanga unmai"
idhu vaasthavamana pechu. I mean we differ completely w.r.t the above point but at least nyayamana kotpaadu
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From: Sarna
on 5th June 2009 06:20 PM
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matter over'nu solreengalaa ???
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From: podaskie
on 5th June 2009 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sarna
http://loyalhardy.blogspot.com/search/label/Bollywood%20Movies%20copied%20from%20Hollywood
In this blog , there is a list of Hindi movies that are copied from Hollywood and other languages
Note :- I am bringing this link here to support kollywood.... so I kindly request u all to ignore few comments on their favourites. Let us speak about Bollywood vs kollywood only :P
thanks for the link naa :P
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From: Nerd
on 5th June 2009 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
villan007

Originally Posted by
Sarna
enakku endha padamum pidikkalaingradhu dhaanga unmai
adade


naanum romba naaLaa note pannittu irukkEn...
Hulk, unga logic sagikkalai. appO inga Bolly-kkaaga pEsinavanga ellaarumE ARR fans-A
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From: villan007
on 5th June 2009 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd

naanum romba naaLaa note pannittu irukkEn...
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From: Hulkster
on 6th June 2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by
Nerd

Originally Posted by
villan007

Originally Posted by
Sarna
enakku endha padamum pidikkalaingradhu dhaanga unmai
adade


naanum romba naaLaa note pannittu irukkEn...
Hulk, unga logic sagikkalai. appO inga Bolly-kkaaga pEsinavanga ellaarumE ARR fans-A

Ellei i was taking a dig at MADDY because he put that same logic to me saying i hate bollywood cause of the north-south divide and hence dunt watch bolly movies at all. So i reversed it saying he is only supporting bollywood cos ARR is numero uno there.
I do like bollywood movies, but i feel kollywood is on the rise because of their strong manvaasanai flavour coming nowadays. It is more of preference. Like i said honest answer would be bollywood is slightly better than kollywood.
Anyway what happened to my question? Bollywood bettera malluwood bettera?
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From: Sanguine Sridhar
on 6th June 2009 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
Plum
Dark colour-la heroine-e theraadhu - kajol thavira. Idhula heroes enga...
(udane varum paarunga, Ajay Devgan-nu badhil)
Bipasha Bipasha Bipasha!!! :P :P :P
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From: Mahen
on 6th June 2009 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
Sanguine Sridhar

Originally Posted by
Plum
Dark colour-la heroine-e theraadhu - kajol thavira. Idhula heroes enga...
(udane varum paarunga, Ajay Devgan-nu badhil)
Bipasha Bipasha Bipasha!!! :P :P :P
Deepika,priyanka
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From: HonestRaj
on 6th June 2009 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by
villan007

Originally Posted by
Nerd

naanum romba naaLaa note pannittu irukkEn...

nan aarambathula irundhe (oru 1 1/2 varusama) note pannikittuthan irukkaen :P
--- Last-la ennoda post irukkunu.. Hindi padatha paththi edho post pannirukkaenu nenachu varravangalukku .. nan tharuvadhu indha punnagai mattume
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From: dinesh2002
on 7th June 2009 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by
Sarna
One more point
I dont think there are dark coloured and sumaar faired heroes becoming top stars in Bollywood

Namma oorula thalaivar, Captain, BBM(

) , Vijay (maaniram), Dhanush etc top heroes ....
Hollywood'la irukkaanga :P
Yabba, Shah Rukh Khan is Maaniram -> Dark thaan. Avare Superstar illaiya?
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From: Vivasaayi
on 7th June 2009 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by
dinesh2002

Originally Posted by
Sarna
One more point
I dont think there are dark coloured and sumaar faired heroes becoming top stars in Bollywood

Namma oorula thalaivar, Captain, BBM(

) , Vijay (maaniram), Dhanush etc top heroes ....
Hollywood'la irukkaanga :P
Yabba,
Shah Rukh Khan is Maaniram ->
Dark thaan. Avare Superstar illaiya?
sharukh khan dark coloura?...
sharukh khan enna hollywood laya nadikuraru...?
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From: villan007
on 7th June 2009 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
HonestRaj
nan aarambathula irundhe (oru 1 1/2 varusama) note pannikittuthan irukkaen :P

bead pellows..ithellama note pannuveenga
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From: dinesh2002
on 7th June 2009 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi

Originally Posted by
dinesh2002

Originally Posted by
Sarna
One more point
I dont think there are dark coloured and sumaar faired heroes becoming top stars in Bollywood

Namma oorula thalaivar, Captain, BBM(

) , Vijay (maaniram), Dhanush etc top heroes ....
Hollywood'la irukkaanga :P
Yabba,
Shah Rukh Khan is Maaniram ->
Dark thaan. Avare Superstar illaiya?
sharukh khan dark coloura?...
sharukh khan enna hollywood laya nadikuraru...?
What i mean Shah Rukh Khan falls under the category between Maaniram and Dark, he is definitely not fair!
What does this gotta do with Hollywood??

My answer was for this Q only.

Originally Posted by
Sarna
One more point
I dont think there are dark coloured and sumaar faired heroes becoming top stars in Bollywood

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From: Vivasaayi
on 7th June 2009 04:38 PM
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dinesh
i brought hollywood because sharukh khan can be called as a dark man only in america or U.K
Not india.This shows how much the fair people are dominating in bollywood that u call even sharukh a dark guy between them.
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From: dinesh2002
on 7th June 2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
Vivasaayi
dinesh
i brought hollywood because sharukh khan can be called as a dark man only in america or U.K
Not india.This shows how much the fair people are dominating in bollywood that u call even sharukh a dark guy between them.
Ohh... apadi parkulingala... but i still think SRK is dark eventhough within India... But yeah, most of the actors that r famouse in bollywood are fair. that is true. Hrithik Roshan, Shahid Kapoor, Salman Khan, Aamir Khan, John Abharam, Arjun Rampal, etc etc...
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From: Sudarsh
on 22nd July 2010 11:44 PM
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hmm but what does fairness have to do with actin skills?
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From: Sudarsh
on 23rd July 2010 02:14 AM
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two superhero films are releasing in both kollywood and bollywood. The tamil one is Velayutham Starring Vijay and directed by Superhit director of santosh subramaniyam Jayam Raja and other film is RA One in hindi produced by Shahrukh Khan starring him in the lead role... he has revealed his character can solidify electricity and that the special effects are by Hollywood Team so let us see what Aascar Ravichandran and Raja have planned for Velayutham... It will be interesting to see the two films compete