Tamil Movie of the Decade (2001-09)

why you should vote for Kaadhal:

NeengaLe innum vote podalla polirukke Rolling Eyes

Maddy innum pOdalainA, appO KM-ku vote pOttadhu yaarA irukkum? Wink

im voting for Kadhal only....but let me wait for trends to emerge

From: AravindMano on Tue Nov 10 3:30:27 2009.

Voted for Kaadhal. THE movie of this decade, no two ways about it, atleast for me
From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 3:31:11 2009.

Kaadhal, off the mark
From: avven on Tue Nov 10 3:39:49 2009.

Virumandi-thaan
From: NOV on Tue Nov 10 3:40:41 2009.

yes, as feared votes are being split between AS and Viru...

will hold my vote until much later.
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 3:43:38 2009.

NOV wrote:

yes, as feared votes are being split between AS and Viru...

will hold my vote until much later.

"vote"-kappuram oru 's' irukkaNumO inga?

From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Nov 10 3:47:23 2009.

I think his name is Nellai maNi
The one who said the immortal line: sondha abimAnamnu oNNu irukkulla...adhu endha gOshtila ?

enna padam? enna sichuvesan?

Are you okay ?
Mahaprabhu. avicha kadalai vaangikkoduthu, GM-ai gOshti-la sErkka try paNNura scene.

கமல்:என்ற கையில என்ன இருக்குது டொக்டர்
ஜெ:என் குடும்பமே இருக்கே

Delhi Ganesh is perhaps the funniest part of Tenali.
Ramesh Kanna: Boss
Delhi Ganesh: dei...naan enna smuggling thalaivanA Laughing

Jayaram: "enna thenali idhu, konjam paarthu vizhindiruka koodatha" hysterical

(Can't help think of UthamarAsA: adei boss boss-nu koopdAdha dA...police-la pudichuttu pOyiruvaanga.)

DG mimicking the paralyzed Jayaram Laughing

But DG in Avvai is another level

Kamal: நெத்தில என்ன
DG: விபூதி குங்குமம் தெனமும் இட்டுப்பேனே
K:இல்லை...ப்ளாஸ்த்ரி
DG: மக்கு...ப்ளாஸ்த்ரி ROTFL

அவர் வந்து ஜூட் சொல்வார் அப்புறம் தான் அடிக்கணும்... பேச்சுவார்த்தை நடக்கும்போது வன்முறை கூடாது hysterical

And many many more

From: NOV on Tue Nov 10 3:47:42 2009.

Plum wrote:

NOV wrote:

yes, as feared votes are being split between AS and Viru...

will hold my vote until much later.

"vote"-kappuram oru 's' irukkaNumO inga?
usualaa paadhi puriyaadhu, ippa muzhusaa puriyala
From: hamid on Tue Nov 10 3:52:10 2009.

Plum wrote:

NOV wrote:

yes, as feared votes are being split between AS and Viru...

will hold my vote until much later.

"vote"-kappuram oru 's' irukkaNumO inga?

Plum u r right

From: VENKIRAJA on Tue Nov 10 4:48:08 2009.

hamid wrote:

will hold my vote until much later.

yes, as feared votes are being split between AS and Viru... Shaking With Fear

"vote"-kappuram oru 's' irukkaNumO inga? Wink

Plum u r right No Teeth

NOV

From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Nov 10 5:56:40 2009.

NOV wrote:

yes, as feared votes are being split between AS and Viru...

will hold my vote until much later.

jeyikkara katchikku vote poduveengalo?

From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 6:12:59 2009.

why you should vote for Kaadhal:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453740/#comment

IMDB User wrote:

பாதிக்கப்பட்ட பல இளைஞர்கள்ட்ட பேசிருக்காப்ல.

நல்ல வேளை நான் படிக்கிறதுக்கு முன்னாடியே சண்டியருக்கு போட்டுட்டேன்.

From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 6:35:11 2009.

i think thats a beautiful write up........he has clearly articulated why the movie works so well for us......its not just abt reality bcos so many similar movies missed the target......

Kaadhal worked because it was very honest film abt real life flesh and blood characters......not a moment did director go out of way to shape a character or judge its actions or even try to be idealisitc....something that i would love kamal or Bala to do in their movies.....once u have such a setup, i think nuances would take care of itself ......

From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 6:49:47 2009.

The principals are both very good but the acting of Bharath is really exceptional. There is not a single moment where he overacts (and there are opportunities in plenty) or uses facile mannerisms or unnecessary gestures. It is a piece of naturalistic acting of the very first order (and a later Bharath film I have seen where ha plays a deaf and dumb boy - though not in itself such a good film - very much confirms his stature as an actor).

enna dhAN quote-A irundhAlum, baradhan-ai pathi ipdi epdi post paNNInga

From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 6:52:02 2009.

Answering on MADDY's behalf. Hallov, we are the fully agree he is kood actor ya. Just that he is now acting in horror films like aarumugam that released on Sun TV this weekend. idhu dhaan sun direct pOla.
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 7:09:18 2009.

kood okay. andha quote exceptional-nu solludhE?
From: complicateur on Tue Nov 10 7:12:54 2009.

Plum wrote:

kood okay. andha quote exceptional-nu solludhE?

In Bala's words.. athellAm orE mana dhairiyaththa pArAtti ezhutharathu.
From: Cinefan on Tue Nov 10 7:13:50 2009.

Voted for Virumaandi.

Confession:have not been a prolific watcher of movies in the last 4/5 years and have missed out on many good/talked about ones incl the nominated Anjathey,Paruthiveeran and Naan Kadavul.
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 7:21:49 2009.

In all polls one trend:
2 out of the 10 choices pick up Always go neck-to-neck. I mean idhula oNNu vizhudnha, udanE adhula oNNu vizhum.
Runaway lead-ngaradhE kedayAdhu.
(except if it is a negative thread involving Prashanth)

Just saying.

From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 7:27:09 2009.

Answering on MADDY's behalf. Hallov, we are the fully agree he is kood actor ya. Just that he is now acting in horror films like aarumugam that released on Sun TV this weekend. idhu dhaan sun direct pOla.

P_R irukkumbodhu, MADDY, nee oodhave venaam....

From: Cinefan on Tue Nov 10 7:27:29 2009.

On the Tenali discussion about 6 pages back,I had the same feeling as MC.hated it the 1st time I saw it in theatre but have throughly enjoyed it in subsequent TV viewings.

Maybe Tenali is fit for home viewing and not made for the big screen.

MADDY,
Who is that in your avatar-Anurag Kashyap?Looks like a younger M K Azhagiri
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 7:31:51 2009.

On thenali, I am with equa. ennamO, very irritating - and with equa when he says kamal hammed. For a brief period, camp-lErundhE defect aayidalAmAnu yOiskka vecha padam. Am I the only one to think that Jayaram was insufferable?
Except PKS, the other comedies of Kamal post MMKR arent of much interest to me anyway. But thenAli "adhaiyum thAndi kodumai"

Not to mention ilaya nilaa suryapathini and paint pOna kolu bommai (go figure).
From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 7:40:10 2009.

Plum wrote:

Am I the only one to think that Jayaram was insufferable?
Me too. Many remember this for his comic skills. I keep recommending Murai mAman to all of them.

GM: adhu enna dhamAsu vetturadhula
Jayaram: <indescribable laugh>
GM: yei
Jayaram: <indescribable trailing sound>

Plum wrote:

Except PKS, the other comedies of Kamal post MMKR arent of much interest to me anyway.

Sathi Leelaavathi is awesomeness
Avvai Shanmugi is quite competent
From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 7:40:31 2009.

Cinefan wrote:

MADDY, Who is that in your avatar-Anurag Kashyap?Looks like a younger M K Azhagiri

yes, Anurag Kashyap.....Alagiri avatar-aa, nevaire
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 7:46:40 2009.

P_R wrote:

Plum wrote:

Am I the only one to think that Jayaram was insufferable?
Me too. Many remember this for his comic skills. I keep recommending Murai mAman to all of them.

Ok, that's a relief

Plum wrote:

Except PKS, the other comedies of Kamal post MMKR arent of much interest to me anyway.

Sathi Leelaavathi is awesomeness
Avvai Shanmugi is quite competent[/quote]

Ah yes SL but somehow, I never think of it as a 'comedy'. It's the dark undertones that are fascinating.
Avvai Shanmughi - fine, competent is the right word.
From: hamid on Tue Nov 10 7:50:46 2009.

MADDY wrote:

Cinefan wrote:

MADDY, Who is that in your avatar-Anurag Kashyap?Looks like a younger M K Azhagiri

yes, Anurag Kashyap.....Alagiri avatar-aa, nevaire

:palaar: enna paarthu eppadida appadi oru keelvi keetta?

From: hamid on Tue Nov 10 7:51:58 2009.

Am I the only one to think that Jayaram was insufferable?

Me too. Many remember this for his comic skills. I keep recommending Murai mAman to all of them.

Ok, that's a relief

Except PKS, the other comedies of Kamal post MMKR arent of much interest to me anyway.

Sathi Leelaavathi is awesomeness
Avvai Shanmugi is quite competent

Ah yes SL but somehow, I never think of it as a 'comedy'. It's the dark undertones that are fascinating.
Avvai Shanmughi - fine, competent is the right word.

allov.. listla irukkira padatha pathi peesunga saar

From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 7:52:32 2009.

hamid wrote:

MADDY, Who is that in your avatar-Anurag Kashyap?Looks like a younger M K Azhagiri Smile

Cinefan wrote:

yes, Anurag Kashyap.....Alagiri avatar-aa, nevaire Laughing

:palaar: enna paarthu eppadida appadi oru keelvi keetta?
Laughing

//inga evalavu per irukaanga, avangala ellam ketkaama, enna paathu eppadi nee ketkalaam

From: omega on Tue Nov 10 8:10:01 2009.

Plum wrote:

Not to mention ilaya nilaa suryapathini and paint pOna kolu bommai (go figure).

Deva + Yan(n)i
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 8:40:26 2009.

omega wrote:

Plum wrote:

Not to mention ilaya nilaa suryapathini and paint pOna kolu bommai (go figure).

Deva + Yan(n)i

same piece.
Everytime we have golu at home, some of the teeth-smiling(hattip:maddy) general female figurines from the 3rd step immediately remind me of "Divine Elephant". Like a mass produced generic china doll with smudged features due to aging.
From: NOV on Tue Nov 10 9:04:33 2009.

A - 1
PM - 3
K - 4
KM - 5
Vir - 6
AS - 7

interesting... only 2 is missing
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 9:09:30 2009.

nInga manasu vechA, 2 vum vandhuttu povudhu
From: Raikkonen on Tue Nov 10 9:09:59 2009.

suppi-ku 0 votes.. yaro thokka veikkirathikkine nominate pannirukanga..

"mavane, nee plan panni adichirukkada"
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 9:13:49 2009.

Spuram, Pveeran and nkadavuL - 0 votes
Maddy vootula innikki kEda vetti thiruvizhaa dhaan
From: Aalavanthan on Tue Nov 10 9:20:14 2009.

AS-la oru vote adhigamaa irukunna adhuku adiyaen thaan kaaranam
From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 9:49:21 2009.

Plum wrote:

Spuram, Pveeran and nkadavuL - 0 votes
Maddy vootula innikki kEda vetti thiruvizhaa dhaan

infact PV was one of my nominations.......somehow it ranks right below Kadhal, Virumandi for me
From: viraajan on Tue Nov 10 9:58:32 2009.

enna pa... 7G'a list'la sekkalaya
From: HonestRaj on Tue Nov 10 10:06:00 2009.

voted for --- VIRUMANDI
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 11:16:16 2009.

kAdhal-kku indha nilamaiyaa? The only "non-wanna-be" great film in the poll.

Maddy, neenga pOtteengaLA? 2nd place-aavadhu kidaikkumaa?
From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 11:18:00 2009.

Nerd wrote:

kAdhal-kku indha nilamaiyaa? The only "non-wanna-be" great film in the poll.

Maddy, neenga pOtteengaLA? 2nd place-aavadhu kidaikkumaa?

naa innamum podala.....i dont think even LM has.......lets hope for a surge......looks like only 3rd,4th finish
From: Sourav on Tue Nov 10 11:19:47 2009.

i voted 4 kaadhal only.
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 11:26:22 2009.

Sourav, nee nammaaLu

Lead ferfarmance paththi pEsittirundhaaingaLE, I don't want to compare Bharath and Kamal but Bharath was unbelievably awesome in kAdhal. Even his body language - look at him while test-driving ais's scooty. ApdiyE mechanical maadhiri

SandhyA-kkellAm national award kuduthirukkanum. Supporting characters-um sema acting. Except may be that pizza hut dude
From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 11:26:59 2009.

Sourav wrote:

i voted 4 kaadhal only.

hey thanks yaa

one more help - please change ur signature to 'kamaan "anbe sivam" '
From: Jyothsna on Tue Nov 10 11:28:28 2009.

MADDY wrote:

Sourav wrote:

i voted 4 kaadhal only.

hey thanks yaa

one more help - please change ur signature to 'kamaan "anbe sivam" '
From: joe on Tue Nov 10 11:29:40 2009.

Cinefan wrote:

have missed out on many good/talked about ones incl the nominated Anjathey,Paruthiveeran and Naan Kadavul.

Peru mattum cinefan j/k
From: omega on Tue Nov 10 11:30:00 2009.

My choice was PV, but voted for Kadhal..........
From: VinodKumar's on Tue Nov 10 11:30:28 2009.

Naan kadavul in the POLL list
From: Sourav on Tue Nov 10 11:30:33 2009.

MADDY wrote:

one more help - please change ur signature to 'kamaan "anbe sivam" '
apdillam potta vote reduce aagathu....

viru double century tmrw...paarunga...
From: Jyothsna on Tue Nov 10 11:32:04 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Even his body language - look at him while test-driving ais's scooty. ApdiyE mechanical maadhiri

Quote:

Except may be that pizza hut dude

Ithellam konjam aniyayama illaya, appadi partha entha padamum therathu.
From: Raikkonen on Tue Nov 10 11:34:26 2009.

anbe vengadasalam

flashback-la flash-eh illa.. but still very enjoyable and thought provoking..
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 11:38:32 2009.

omega wrote:

My choice was PV, but voted for Kadhal..........

Kood kood. UngaLa maadhiri nalla hubbergaL mayyathukku thEvai

Jyo, indha aLavukku scrutinize panninAlum, padam thERudhuLLa, adhu dhaan matter. Endha padathukku vote pOttInga?
From: Jyothsna on Tue Nov 10 11:41:14 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Jyo, indha aLavukku scrutinize panninAlum, padam thERudhuLLa, adhu dhaan matter. Endha padathukku vote pOttInga?

Pithamagan. Romba neram Kadak a Pithamagana nu yosichean.. 2 vote poda mudiyatha..

Both films deserve IMO.
From: joe on Tue Nov 10 11:43:23 2009.

AS and Viru going neck to neck

Vote bank split agurathulayum oru thulliyam
From: RajaRam on Tue Nov 10 11:47:35 2009.

பம்மல் - மொக்கை.
தெனாலி -டபுள் மொக்கை.
From: Vivasaayi on Tue Nov 10 11:59:39 2009.

Plum wrote:

Except PKS, the other comedies of Kamal post MMKR arent of much interest to me anyway.

sathi leelavathi,avvai shanmugi,singaravelan,maharasan(had some incredibly funy moments)

sakthivel kavunderayum,drums maniyayum epdi marakalam?

From: HonestRaj on Tue Nov 10 12:05:19 2009.

hamid wrote:

MADDY, Who is that in your avatar-Anurag Kashyap?Looks like a younger M K Azhagiri Smile

Cinefan wrote:

yes, Anurag Kashyap.....Alagiri avatar-aa, nevaire Laughing

:palaar: enna paarthu eppadida appadi oru keelvi keetta?
Laughing

pArkkuradhukku .. Gajini wanna be Sathyan madhiri irukku

From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 12:12:01 2009.

Quote:

pArkkuradhukku .. Gajini wanna be Sathyan madhiri irukku

sathyan sodhanai

From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 12:12:20 2009.

Vivasaayi wrote:

Except PKS, the other comedies of Kamal post MMKR arent of much interest to me anyway.

sathi leelavathi,avvai shanmugi,singaravelan,maharasan(had some incredibly funy moments)

sakthivel kavunderayum,drums maniyayum epdi marakalam?

Ok, my internal categorisation is thus:
PKS, PT, VRMBBS, AS, Kadhala Kadhala, Singaravelan - Comedies
Sathi L - not so much a comedy as a deceptively dark movie
Maharasan - sort of not a 'Kamal movie'

Of these,
KK - is sort of a 'something missing' category - Ramba, Mr Nayanthara add to the agony, although many people consider him 'natural' and competent there. Soundarya herself lacked the goods and comic timing. It was more of a MSV-Mouli-Vadivelu show. One doesnt even think of Kamal first when you think of it

Sathi Leelavathi - a fine film; I dont think of it as a 'comedy' in the sense that we usually think of

Maharasan: it had its moments thanks to aNNan(not the one whose baniyan size is 42, the other one whose words will be taken as notes in the future) but....

Singaravelan - again the above aNNan takes the cake, leaving only the cherry(a voluptuous one, though;-) ) to the 42 aNnan

Avvai Shanmughi - I know its much rated but lot of it is unfunny for me. There are again moments involving Manivannan, Delhi Ganesh, Naassar etc - the supporting cast rules the roost more than Kamal.

So, there.
PKS, as equa observed, is more than a comedy or even a movie. It is a philosophy; a school of thought.

From: Jyothsna on Tue Nov 10 12:13:44 2009.

Maddy,

2 padathukku vote panna kudatha
From: HonestRaj on Tue Nov 10 12:15:07 2009.

2 ID irundha pannalam
From: Jyothsna on Tue Nov 10 12:15:58 2009.

HonestRaj wrote:

2 ID irundha pannalam
From: equanimus on Tue Nov 10 12:19:48 2009.

பல சமயம் 'காதலை' சமகாலத்துல வந்த படங்கள்லேயே சிறந்த படம்னு (டாப் டென் தமிழ்ப் படங்கள்ல ஒண்ணுன்னும் கூட) சொல்லியிருக்கேன். 'விருமாண்டியை' ஏனோ அந்தளவுக்கு முன்வெச்சதில்லை. ஆனா இப்ப என்ன சொல்றதுன்னு தெரிய மாட்டேங்கு. இன்னொரு தடவை பார்க்கணும்.
From: venkkiram on Tue Nov 10 12:20:23 2009.

பருத்தி வீரனுக்கு ஒரே ஒரு வாக்குதான் கிடைத்திருக்கிறது. அப்படி பார்த்தா நான் மட்டும்தான் பருத்தி வீரனை தேர்வு செய்திருக்கிறேன்

மற்ற படங்களை ஒப்பிடும்போது வெறும் இரு சதவீதமே என்றாலும், இது எனக்கு ரொம்ப பெருமையா இருக்கு.

காட்சிகளுக்கு இடையையே காணப்படும் கோர்வை, கிராமத்தான்களை அப்படியே பாத்திரங்களின் வழி உலவவிட்ட நேர்த்தி, மையக் கதாபாத்திரங்களின் தேர்ந்த நடிப்பாற்றல் (முத்தழகு மூலம் ஒரு தேசிய விருது), கிராமியப் படங்களுக்கு இப்படித்தான் இசை என்ற மரபை உடைத்தெறிந்து வழங்கப்பட்ட புதிய பரிட்சார்த்த முயற்சி, முக்கியமா கிராமத்திற்கு உரிய வெள்ளந்தி அன்பு, வேரறுக்கும் குரூரம் இதை இரு கோணங்களாக மாறி மாறி பிரதிபலிக்கும் கதையோட்டம் இவை எல்லாம் பருத்தி வீரனை எந்த வித அமிலச் சோதனையிலும் வெற்றி பெற வைக்கும்.
From: Vivasaayi on Tue Nov 10 12:20:26 2009.

Plum wrote:

Singaravelan - again the above aNNan takes the cake, leaving only the cherry(a voluptuous one, though;-) ) to the 42 aNnan
From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 12:21:14 2009.

Jyothsna wrote:

HonestRaj wrote:

2 ID irundha pannalam

unga kitta "backup" ID edhavadhu irukkaa-nnu ketkuraaru .......btw, honestraj kitta raaja_rasigan-nnu oru backup ID irukku, login details kaettu vangunga ....

no Jyothsna, u cannot vote for more than 1 choice.....maybe u can try convincing some prospective "pithamagan" voter to vote for Kadhal....this way justice will be served

From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 12:23:17 2009.

பல சமயம் 'காதலை' சமகாலத்துல வந்த படங்கள்லேயே சிறந்த படம்னு (டாப் டென் தமிழ்ப் படங்கள்ல ஒண்ணுன்னும் கூட) சொல்லியிருக்கேன். 'விருமாண்டியை' ஏனோ அந்தளவுக்கு முன்வெச்சதில்லை. ஆனா இப்ப என்ன சொல்றதுன்னு தெரிய மாட்டேங்கு. இன்னொரு தடவை பார்க்கணும்.

எதுவா இருந்தாலும் வோட்டை போட்டுட்டு பண்ணுங்க.

அன்பே சிவம் மக்கள் மத்தியில பிரபலமா இருக்கதுக்கு காரணம், படத்துல வருகிற கருத்து. "அன்பே சிவம்" என்கிற பேர் ஒன்றே போதும், மக்கள் மனங்களை கவர்வதற்கு.

From: Jyothsna on Tue Nov 10 12:23:25 2009.

Jyothsna wrote:

.....maybe u can try convincing some prospective "pithamagan" voter to vote for Kadhal....this way justice will be served Razz

2 ID irundha pannalam

Avlo samarthellam illa

From: Jyothsna on Tue Nov 10 12:24:11 2009.

எதுவா இருந்தாலும் வோட்டை போட்டுட்டு பண்ணுங்க. Smile

Appo Title of the Decade la podunga

From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 12:24:43 2009.

nInga epdiyum vOte pOda maatInga?

epdiyum nInga neetral matrum intellectual-ngarAdhAla, anegamA, ninga solra padathukku yaarum vote poda maatainga - so nInga kaadhal-aiyE select paNnunga

From: HonestRaj on Tue Nov 10 12:25:27 2009.

Jyothsna wrote:

.......btw, honestraj kitta raaja_rasigan-nnu oru backup ID irukku, login details kaettu vangunga Laughing

2 ID irundha pannalam

unga kitta "backup" ID edhavadhu irukkaa-nnu ketkuraaru Razz

ada yEnappaa.. HonestRaj'nu pEru vechuttu appadi seivena... adhai lock pannittanga (mail ellam vandhuruchu)..
vEra oru Id'than vechurukkEn.. innum trial vittadhillai

From: MADDY on Tue Nov 10 12:25:45 2009.

Manisha's mother in Baba : Pooja mudinja odane saapaddu pottruvom
Silver spoon Annan : saaptuttu pooja pannikalame

saem way, vote for kadhal and then u can watcho watch virumandi

From: littlemaster1982 on Tue Nov 10 12:28:49 2009.

naa innamum podala.....i dont think even LM has.......

kAdhal-kku indha nilamaiyaa? The only "non-wanna-be" great film in the poll.

Maddy, neenga pOtteengaLA? 2nd place-aavadhu kidaikkumaa? Crying or Very sad

Naan nominate pannadhe andha oru padamdhaan. Adhukkum podaatti eppadi

From: Aalavanthan on Tue Nov 10 12:29:10 2009.

Plum, I was expecting some words on PT in your previous post.. or was it intentional that you missed it out ?

My view point is PKS is a sort of easy comedy given the fact that the hero is an innocent character just like sappani (yaenda maanja kaaga onaan ellam saavadikireenga). The characterization is all the same except Crazy Mohan's dialogues with his touch in almost all the scenes.

PT is a different film altogether, we had the innocent character in the form of Iyer, but the other characters were all following Kamal in the lead and Kamal himself is not a comedian in the movie. He is forced to do it with his helpless friends. I thought PT is a different and a unique attempt. It is not the usual comedy but makes your sixth sense work to understand some of the jokes.

PT is slightly > PKS IMO
From: equanimus on Tue Nov 10 12:32:19 2009.

நற்ட்/மேடி,
ப்ளம் சொல்றது போல, வோட்டுப் போடும் பழக்கமில்லை. நல்லா ஒக்காந்து வேடிக்கை பாக்கறதோட சரி. (ஏலத்துக்கு வேணா விடறேன்!)
From: joe on Tue Nov 10 12:32:37 2009.

PKS is a OK movie .. PKS > Sathileelavathi ,Avvai shanmugi ,Tenali -nnu solluRathellam rombave over-appa

Comedy-nnu vanthaale Plum , PR appapo Maddy , Bala -nu oru group-a thaan irukkanga

From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 12:35:51 2009.

PKS is a OK movie .. PKS > Sathileelavathi ,Avvai shanmugi ,Tenali -nnu solluRathellam rombave over-appa Embarassed

Comedy-nnu vanthaale Plum , PR appapo Maddy , Bala -nu oru group-a thaan irukkanga Smile

ada unga post-ku mEla paarunga. avar dhAn engaL sanga thalaivarae.
Since AV requested, PKS pathi ippO thalaivar equa pEsuvAr. Avar dhAn pEsa mudiyum

From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 12:37:29 2009.

No, Sathi Leelavathi I dont bunch with this group. adhu vEra.
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 12:37:41 2009.

joe wrote:

PKS is a OK movie ..

adhE dhaan. In fact many scenes are maRaNa mokkai. PT and Thenali are much funnier.

Seri makkaLE, kamalahaasan comedies thread-kku switch aayikkOnga, please

From: joe on Tue Nov 10 12:37:42 2009.

PKS is a OK movie .. PKS > Sathileelavathi ,Avvai shanmugi ,Tenali -nnu solluRathellam rombave over-appa Embarassed

Comedy-nnu vanthaale Plum , PR appapo Maddy , Bala -nu oru group-a thaan irukkanga Smile

ada unga post-ku mEla paarunga. avar dhAn engaL sanga thalaivarae.
Since AV requested, PKS pathi ippO thalaivar equa pEsuvAr. Avar dhAn pEsa mudiyum Smile

ohho avar veRaya

and that 'எல்லாம் எமனுக்கு தெரியும்' ...ரொம்ப செயற்கை ..ஒட்டவே இல்லை

From: Aalavanthan on Tue Nov 10 12:38:11 2009.

enna Joe ippadi solliteenga, PKS is a ok movie nu .. I go with Plum with his words on Sathi, Avvai.

when I said, PT is silghtly > PKS, they both are above par. The jail scene, the court scene, the climax scene still stands out as the best comedy of Kamal/Crazy.

still I have a problem with people calling these movies as "muzhu neela nagaichuvai" which is incorrect, both PT and PKS has sorrow scenes.
From: jaiganes on Tue Nov 10 12:39:27 2009.

I voted for GOD.
From: equanimus on Tue Nov 10 12:46:25 2009.

ஆமாம். பாலாவையும் (பிதாமகன், நந்தா) விடுவதற்கில்லை.
From: joe on Tue Nov 10 12:48:01 2009.

Chennai 28 -kku yegapatta rasigargaL unde ..oru vote kooda viLala
From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 12:48:49 2009.

Nerd wrote:

kAdhal-kku indha nilamaiyaa?

ungaLai thaan edhirpaarthuttu irundhEn
From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 12:50:49 2009.

Vivasaayi wrote:

sakthivel kavunderayum,drums maniyayum epdi marakalam?
I read it like
adhu eppidi namma veettu tea-yai nallA illaingalaam
From: Vivasaayi on Tue Nov 10 12:52:18 2009.

P_R wrote:

Vivasaayi wrote:

sakthivel kavunderayum,drums maniyayum epdi marakalam?
I read it like
adhu eppidi namma veettu tea-yai nallA illaingalaam

tea navadhu paravaala...namam veetu karuvaataa epdi apdi sollalam
From: equanimus on Tue Nov 10 12:54:35 2009.

MADDY wrote:

saem way, vote for kadhal and then u can watcho watch virumandi

Incidentally, முந்தாநேத்து தான் 'விருமாண்டி' பாத்தேன். (அதனால் வந்த dilemma இல்லை.)
From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 12:57:39 2009.

Plum wrote:

KK - is sort of a 'something missing' category -
Agree
Plum wrote:

Mr Nayanthara add to the agony, although many people consider him 'natural' and competent there.
I am one of them. bayathula romba thikkudhu bA

Plum wrote:

It was more of a MSV-Mouli-Vadivelu show. One doesnt even think of Kamal first when you think of it
Agree that Kamal wasn't the funniest part of the movie, but he was funnier than VV.

Plum wrote:

Sathi Leelavathi - a fine film; I dont think of it as a 'comedy' in the sense that we usually think of
adhellAm kidaiyAdhu. It was not a full length comedy but how many films do you know where one character enters and confuses the genre. SansO saaisO kidayAdhu. ComedyE dhaan as in dharkAvE dhaan.

Plum wrote:

Singaravelan - again the above aNNan takes the cake, leaving only the cherry(a voluptuous one, though;-) ) to the 42 aNnan
Your VAM-ness is on the rise - no pun intended- again.

Point noted again that it was Drums Mani who was running the show. But it is out of purview anyway as it is not a Crazy-Kamal film.
From: Plum on Tue Nov 10 12:59:22 2009.

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From: equanimus on Tue Nov 10 13:00:04 2009.

joe wrote:

Chennai 28 -kku yegapatta rasigargaL unde ..oru vote kooda viLala

ஆமாம், "bowling 'ஆ fielding 'ஆ தம்பி?" 'ன்றா மாதிரி, எல்லாரும் காதல், விருமாண்டி, விருமாண்டி, காதல் 'ன்னே சொல்லிகினுருக்காங்க.

From: joe on Tue Nov 10 13:02:07 2009.

ஆமாம், "bowling 'ஆ fielding 'ஆ தம்பி?" 'ன்றா மாதிரி, எல்லாரும் காதல், விருமாண்டி, விருமாண்டி, காதல் 'ன்னே சொல்லிகினுருக்காங்க.

Chennai 28 -kku yegapatta rasigargaL unde ..oru vote kooda viLala Rolling Eyes

From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 10 13:08:00 2009.

Sennai tonty eight-uhh usupethi usupethi "Top 10 movies of the decade" poll varaikum kondu vandhu asinga paduthurainge!

Chennai 28 -kku yegapatta rasigargaL unde ..oru vote kooda viLala Rolling Eyes

Oru analogy sollanomna, adhavadhu Bangladesh-ku "Test Match" status koduthu matha Test playing nations ellam pinni pedal edupaingale... adhu maadhiri thaan idhu...

From: littlemaster1982 on Tue Nov 10 13:09:30 2009.

Comparing to most of the films in the poll, this one is a worthy contender.
From: thamiz on Tue Nov 10 13:12:40 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

Sennai tonty eight-uhh usupethi usupethi "Top 10 movies of the decade" poll varaikum kondu vandhu asinga paduthurainge!

Now you will see it is getting some votes. You need to provoke to get the votes!
From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 10 13:13:10 2009.

j/k, LM... ellam oru fulow-la varudhu dhaan...

My nayaandi was on the 'voting' part rather than the the movie itself... Sennai -28 is surely an OK movie...
From: VinodKumar's on Tue Nov 10 13:13:21 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

Comparing to most of the films in the poll, this one is a worthy contender.

master ...
From: thamiz on Tue Nov 10 13:14:02 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

j/k, LM... ellam oru fulow-la varudhu dhaan...

My nayaandi was on the 'voting' part rather than the the movie itself... Sennai -28 is surely an OK movie...

Movie of the decade??!!

Give me a break!

From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 10 13:15:28 2009.

thamiz wrote:

Sennai tonty eight-uhh usupethi usupethi "Top 10 movies of the decade" poll varaikum kondu vandhu asinga paduthurainge! hysterical

Now you will see it is getting some votes. You need to provoke to get the votes! Laughing

True

hope the anti-incumbent factor works for sennai-28!

From: joe on Tue Nov 10 13:16:21 2009.

Moviecop,
Neenga veRa ..P_R enge Saroja-va kondu vanthiduvaro-nnu payanthuttu irunthen
From: littlemaster1982 on Tue Nov 10 13:17:01 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

j/k, LM... ellam oru fulow-la varudhu dhaan...

My nayaandi was on the 'voting' part rather than the the movie itself... Sennai -28 is surely an OK movie...

It's more than an OK movie, IMO. How many films have portrayed North Chennai youngsters as authentic as this film? I would even say Ch-28 is miles ahead of Su.Pu, Parutthiveeran etc.
From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 13:20:23 2009.

Let me confess that I have watched Kaadhal exactly once.
It was fairly impressive. But beyond that I haven't felt the urge to watch it again.
Pithamagan - about 2,3 times. Well spaced out.

But VirumANdi - whose ending will remain an indefensible dhristi pottu - was just too phenomenal a film in comparison. The characters and performances were incredible impressive. Not to mention the writing - which beats the rest of the contenders twice over.

Now it could be argued that ea filchm is 'written' in accordance with the depth the material demands. Well then having the space and range to be able to do that is what VirumANdi more appealing.

Kannan once posted about the scene where lawyer convinces VirumANdi to lie about the riot. Truth and lies separated - one set of faces shown directly and one in mirrors. These are the kind of things that make a film enjoyable for me.

Even performance wise.
கொ - kOttachAmy : that look is one of a dumb guy's moment of wisdom (what he perceives to be, but is wrong there too). Explain paNNuradhukkE ivvaLo complicated-A irukku.
Performance of the decade.
From: equanimus on Tue Nov 10 13:23:20 2009.

equanimus wrote:

ஆமாம். பாலாவையும் (பிதாமகன், நந்தா) விடுவதற்கில்லை.

'நான் கடவுளைத்' தவிர்த்துச் சொல்ல நினைக்கவில்லை. மறந்து விட்டேன். அதுவும் தான்.
From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 10 13:23:22 2009.

joe wrote:

Moviecop,
Neenga veRa ..P_R enge Saroja-va kondu vanthiduvaro-nnu payanthuttu irunthen

Even anjathey is over-rated, IMHO!
Thayavu seidhu "Anjadhey" script discoson-kku enna koopidhadheenga... Padam paarthu remba naal aacchu, so neariya scenes marandhu pochu!

From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 10 13:31:28 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

j/k, LM... ellam oru fulow-la varudhu dhaan...

My nayaandi was on the 'voting' part rather than the the movie itself... Sennai -28 is surely an OK movie...

It's more than an OK movie, IMO. How many films have portrayed North Chennai youngsters as authentic as this film? I would even say Ch-28 is miles ahead of Su.Pu, Parutthiveeran etc.

LM,
vootuku poganum... Will respond later on why Sennai - 28 didn't work relative to SuPu, PV

From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 13:32:20 2009.

IMO Chennai 28 will rank above Suppi, PV,NK,KM and AnjaadhEy

moonjiyai thonga pOttukittAlE superior padam aayirumA. naangellAm BergmanaiyE asarAma pArthavainga.
From: VENKIRAJA on Tue Nov 10 14:15:44 2009.

P_R wrote:

IMO Chennai 28 will rank above Suppi, PV,NK,KM and AnjaadhEy

moonjiyai thonga pOttukittAlE superior padam aayirumA. naangellAm BergmanaiyE asarAma pArthavainga.

ditto.
en listla C28 #2 yA!

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 14:20:33 2009.

ப்ளம் சொல்றது போல, வோட்டுப் போடும் பழக்கமில்லை. நல்லா ஒக்காந்து வேடிக்கை பாக்கறதோட சரி. (ஏலத்துக்கு வேணா விடறேன்!)

Oru nalla kaariyathukku kolgaya konjam relax pannunga, thappilla!
Vote for Viruman

From: app_engine on Tue Nov 10 14:25:29 2009.

virumANdi's 9th vote was mine.

p.s. - 50% of my nominations made it into the poll, not bad
From: P_R on Tue Nov 10 14:27:37 2009.

நல்லசிவம் மனுசன்- விருமன் வீரென்

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 14:48:56 2009.

[quote="MADDY"]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453740/#comment

IMDB User wrote:

The superb scene in the car where the hypocritical uncle show his true colours is terrifyingly real and more frightening in its way than more overtly violent scenes elsewhere in the film.

From: vasanth2006 on Tue Nov 10 14:51:02 2009.

For me, its Anbe Sivam Vs Paruthi Veeran...

I go for AS for it's climax(Thalaivar's acting is super)....

From: jaiganes on Tue Nov 10 15:44:39 2009.

Let me confess that I have watched Kaadhal exactly once.
It was fairly impressive. But beyond that I haven't felt the urge to watch it again.
Pithamagan - about 2,3 times. Well spaced out.

But VirumANdi - whose ending will remain an indefensible dhristi pottu - was just too phenomenal a film in comparison. The characters and performances were incredible impressive. Not to mention the writing - which beats the rest of the contenders twice over.

Now it could be argued that ea filchm is 'written' in accordance with the depth the material demands. Well then having the space and range to be able to do that is what VirumANdi more appealing.

Kannan once posted about the scene where lawyer convinces VirumANdi to lie about the riot. Truth and lies separated - one set of faces shown directly and one in mirrors. These are the kind of things that make a film enjoyable for me.

Even performance wise.
கொ - kOttachAmy : that look is one of a dumb guy's moment of wisdom (what he perceives to be, but is wrong there too). Explain paNNuradhukkE ivvaLo complicated-A irukku.
Performance of the decade.

Virumaandi is one of the superior movies of the decade - accepted
however the movie with a structure and execution that is totally out of the box, with all layering and subtexting done at all levels of cinema - music, writing, visualization, performance and with least amount of compromise in vision - there had to be only one movie in all the list - that is the GOD. The rest had numerous eyesores in form of unrelated songs, forced fight sequences and fizzled and confused vision in many segments of their running length.
Naan Kadavul creates an intensity and staunchingly maintains that throughout - be it even some light hearted moments in the world of the cursed. The movie had no agenda to 'advertise' like Anbe sivam or Virumaandi. It was a stark point of view told in the most imaginative and vivid manner. I saw the movie only once and still I can feel the vision of every scene even after months. That is the visual impact in each and every scene of the movie, every ounce of screen space oodled with never before seen energy (creative energy) . It was one movie that can not be slotted with any other movie to compare for it is different from any other movie imaginable.

From: Anban on Tue Nov 10 16:22:03 2009.

tough fight among, Anbesivam, Anjaathey, Naan kadavul and virumaandi ..

but u see Virumandi is just toooo good IMHO... beat panrathu remba kastam..
From: venkkiram on Tue Nov 10 16:22:14 2009.

விருமாண்டி முதல் முறை பார்க்கும் போதே இடைவேளைக்கு அப்புறம் வரும் சிறைச்சாலைக் காட்சிகள் எல்லாம் கொஞ்சம் சலிப்பூட்டியது.

படத்தின் முன்பாதியில் வரும் கொத்தாலத் தேவர் வழி கதை சொல்லும் படலம், அதைத் தொடர்ந்து விருமாண்டி பாத்திரத்தின் கண் வழி கதை சொல்லும் படலம் எல்லாம் ஏ கிளாஸ். தமிழுக்கு புதியது. ஆனால் முடிக்கும் தருவாயில் கடைசி அரை மணி நேரம் படத்தின் விறுவிறுப்பு குறைந்து போய்விட்டதாகவே உணர்கிறேன்.

படத்தின் ஆரம்பத்திலும், கடைசியிலும் மட்டுமே ஏதோ மருந்துக்காக தூக்கு தண்டனை எதிர்ப்பு செய்தியை அலசி இருப்பது போன்றே தோன்றுகிறது.

ஒரு தேவர் மகன் போல படத்தின் ஆரம்பம் முதல் கடைசி வரை தலையை தட்டி உட்கார வைக்காத திரைக்கதை அமைப்பை கொண்டது விருமாண்டி.

சேமை இலையில் தண்ணீர் ஒட்டாமல் இருப்பது போலவே , எத்தனை முறை விருமாண்டியைப் பார்த்தாலும் மனதில் உட்கார மறுக்கிறது.

படத்தை முழுவதும் பார்த்து முடித்தபோது மனதில் ஓடியது , "படத்தை நூறு முறைக்கு மேல் பார்த்து விட்டேன். சலிக்காமல் இருக்கிறது" என படத்தை வெளியிடுவதற்கு முன்பு கமல் ஒரு பேட்டியில் சொன்னது.

From: omega on Tue Nov 10 16:37:48 2009.

விருமாண்டி முதல் முறை பார்க்கும் போதே இடைவேளைக்கு அப்புறம் வரும் சிறைச்சாலைக் காட்சிகள் எல்லாம் கொஞ்சம் சலிப்பூட்டியது.

படத்தின் முன்பாதியில் வரும் கொத்தாலத் தேவர் வழி கதை சொல்லும் படலம், அதைத் தொடர்ந்து விருமாண்டி பாத்திரத்தின் கண் வழி கதை சொல்லும் படலம் எல்லாம் ஏ கிளாஸ். தமிழுக்கு புதியது. ஆனால் முடிக்கும் தருவாயில் கடைசி அரை மணி நேரம் படத்தின் விறுவிறுப்பு குறைந்து போய்விட்டதாகவே உணர்கிறேன்.
படத்தின் ஆரம்பத்திலும், கடைசியிலும் மட்டுமே ஏதோ மருந்துக்காக தூக்கு தண்டனை எதிர்ப்பு செய்தியை அலசி இருப்பது போன்றே தோன்றுகிறது.

ஒரு தேவர் மகன் போல படத்தின் ஆரம்பம் முதல் கடைசி வரை தலையை தட்டி உட்கார வைக்காத திரைக்கதை அமைப்பை கொண்டது விருமாண்டி.
சேமை இலையில் தண்ணீர் ஒட்டாமல் இருப்பது போலவே , எத்தனை முறை விருமாண்டியைப் பார்த்தாலும் மனதில் உட்கார மறுக்கிறது.

படத்தை முழுவதும் பார்த்து முடித்தபோது மனதில் ஓடியது , "படத்தை நூறு முறைக்கு மேல் பார்த்து விட்டேன். சலிக்காமல் இருக்கிறது" என படத்தை வெளியிடுவதற்கு முன்பு கமல் ஒரு பேட்டியில் சொன்னது.

Couldn't have said it better

From: tamizharasan on Tue Nov 10 16:44:55 2009.

Kamal fans are splitting the votes between anbe sivam and virumandi. If non-kamal fans concentrate on single movie then there is a chance that non-kamal film can be a winner.
From: thamiz on Tue Nov 10 17:04:43 2009.

If anbE sivam was directed by Kh instead of sundar C (just like virumANdi), and came up wth the same outcome, it would have "earned" much more votes!
From: tamizharasan on Tue Nov 10 17:25:50 2009.

even then anbe sivam is winning so far.
From: MrIndia on Tue Nov 10 19:47:54 2009.

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli
From: Rocky89 on Tue Nov 10 19:51:35 2009.

Voted for Kaadhal..
From: Rocky89 on Tue Nov 10 19:52:18 2009.

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

Because Ghilli is a remake?
From: MrIndia on Tue Nov 10 19:53:07 2009.

Rocky89 wrote:

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

Because Ghilli is a remake?

hehe... how abt anbe sivam
From: littlemaster1982 on Tue Nov 10 19:57:17 2009.

Rocky89 wrote:

Voted for Kaadhal..

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 21:44:29 2009.

Rocky89 wrote:

Mr.India,
Have you even watched a single frame of Planes, Trains and Automobiles or Anbe Sivam, for that matter?

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli Rolling Eyes

Because Ghilli is a remake? Confused

hehe... how abt anbe sivam Rolling Eyes

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 21:45:20 2009.

Kamal fans are splitting the votes between anbe sivam and virumandi. If non-kamal fans concentrate on single movie then there is a chance that non-kamal film can be a winner.

Rajini fans eppadi ellam poraada vendiyirukku, appadiyum enakkennamo naanga dhaan jeippom nu thonudhu

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 21:48:53 2009.

Being mentioned in the same breath as Virumaandi should be a big enough honor for any other film nominated here. andha magathaana parisaana vengala kinnathai bathiramaaga patriyapadiye jagaa vaangichendru adhe sandhoshathodum urchaagathodum adutha varudam meendum kandippaaga varalaam endru nambuvaargalaaga!
From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 21:51:01 2009.

thamiz wrote:

If anbE sivam was directed by Kh instead of sundar C (just like virumANdi), and came up wth the same outcome, it would have "earned" much more votes!

tamizharasan wrote:

even then anbe sivam is winning so far.

IISC Tamizh madam, innum force-a, kamaan!
From: VinodKumar's on Tue Nov 10 21:54:45 2009.

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

vidu KB ellam irukarathu thaane ....
From: VinodKumar's on Tue Nov 10 21:55:41 2009.

Rocky89 wrote:

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

Because Ghilli is a remake?

REmake ah irunthalum mela irruka neraya padathoda athu thaanga athigama oduchu
From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 21:56:48 2009.

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

Oh, idhu veraya, miss pannitten!
Sabaash
From: groucho070 on Tue Nov 10 22:01:05 2009.

Good response from Venki on Virumandi.

Anbe Sivam tells story straight from the heart. I have seen Planes, Trains & Automobile, which is not really a great film, a take on Odd Couple albeit in different modes of transportation. Mind you, I can be anal about "remakes" and "inspiration". No, Anbe Sivam is a beast of its own, a wonderful opportunity to look at Kamal's brain through nice rendering of a wonderful story about altruism.

Virumandi, which is brilliant in it's own way (PR has reiterated that already) somehow seemed to be wanting to tell two different stories. One is a Roshomon/Andha Naalesque multiple POV story telling about a man who may or may have not committed crime. Then, there's one appealing against capital punishment. Sort of disrupts smooth viewing. But this is no criticism, just my justification as to why I chose AS instead of this brilliant piece of motion picture.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 22:32:21 2009.

Virumandi, which is brilliant in it's own way (PR has reiterated that already) somehow seemed to be wanting to tell two different stories. One is a Roshomon/Andha Naalesque multiple POV story telling about a man who may or may have not committed crime. Then, there's one appealing against capital punishment.

Something i'd written in response to the Rashomon allegation/comparison, from somewhere else

Quote:

Rashomon was the opposite of Virumaandi in the sense that the former was completely open-ended and philosophical. There is no "right" version or absolute truth (or was there one?) in Rashomon. Infact its speculative to the point of being scary. My feelings were exactly that of the wood cutter - "i haven't heard such a sad/disturbing story before". Each version was more haunting than the other. Mifune's and the Samurai's versions jolted the life out of me - it might not have been a 'rape' after a certain point.

In Virumaandi, however, the narrative is used just to illustrate the biggest drawback of capital punishment - that a blunder or injustice (based on wrong evidence) cannot be undone. Its not as much about different and contradicting versions as much as it is about omissions and misleadings as observed in Kothalan's version.
Which version is right is not quite the point in Rashomon as it is in Virumaandi

By the way, has anyone seen The Life Of David Gale?

From: groucho070 on Tue Nov 10 22:35:52 2009.

Thanks, Bala. You have some points there. I suppose AS touched me emotionally, as opposed to Viru which is more cerebral.
Bala (Karthik) wrote:

By the way, has anyone seen The Life Of David Gale?
What? That makes only two of us?
From: tamizharasan on Tue Nov 10 22:45:34 2009.

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

Y not? I also agree. Please discuss with moderator.

From: tamizharasan on Tue Nov 10 22:47:42 2009.

Kamal fans are splitting the votes between anbe sivam and virumandi. If non-kamal fans concentrate on single movie then there is a chance that non-kamal film can be a winner.

Rajini fans eppadi ellam poraada vendiyirukku, appadiyum enakkennamo naanga dhaan jeippom nu thonudhu Razz

I was just thinking of possibilities and nothing else. As a matter of fact I voted for Anbe Sivam even though I liked both Anbe Sivam and Kannaththil Muththamittaal. I voted from my heart and not from my brain.

From: NOV on Tue Nov 10 23:00:05 2009.

it should be the other way around TA. heart discriminates, brains shouldnt.

personally, if ghilli becomes the best film of the decade, I will give up tamil films for good.
From: RC on Tue Nov 10 23:07:45 2009.

From the given list anbE sivam wins the contest by miles.

BTW, why isnt mahaanathi on this list?

You want Ghilli on this list? MrIndia kindalukku thaanE sonnaaru? TA vERa aamOdhichchurukkaar?
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 23:07:50 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

As a matter of fact I voted for Anbe Sivam even though I liked both Anbe Sivam and Kannaththil Muththamittaal.
From: NOV on Tue Nov 10 23:12:15 2009.

RC wrote:

BTW, why isnt mahaanathi on this list?
adhu pOna decade.... and pOna decade'la Hey Raam thaan winner
From: VinodKumar's on Tue Nov 10 23:12:42 2009.

NOV wrote:

it should be the other way around TA. heart discriminates, brains shouldnt.

personally, if ghilli becomes the best film of the decade, I will give up tamil films for good.

NOV what went wrong in Gilli ... ?

ungalukku pudikama irukalam athukaga discriminates brains lam konjam over vae poitinga NOV ....

reason sollunnnnnga ...
From: NOV on Tue Nov 10 23:17:21 2009.

VinodKumar's wrote:

NOV what went wrong in Gilli ... ?

ungalukku pudikama irukalam athukaga discriminates brains lam konjam over vae poitinga NOV ....
nothings wrong with Ghilli... its an enjoyable time pass film... but best movie ellaam over thaan.

heart discriminates is for TA's choice of Anbe Sivam over Kannathil Muthamittal. nothing to do with Ghilli.
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 23:19:18 2009.

Anbe Sivathukku vote pOdRavanga Kiran/Nassar (to an extent) performances (or the lack of it), underwhelming flasback scenes konjam consider pannunga. It certainly deserves a place in the top 10, no two ways about it but winning ellAm... VirumaaNdi jeyichaal OK dhaan.

Btw, Vote for Kaadhal. And if you coud, watch the pre-climax one more time.

From: VinodKumar's on Tue Nov 10 23:27:37 2009.

NOV what went wrong in Gilli ... ?

ungalukku pudikama irukalam athukaga discriminates brains lam konjam over vae poitinga NOV ....

nothings wrong with Ghilli... its an enjoyable time pass film... but best movie ellaam over thaan. Rolling Eyes

heart discriminates is for TA's choice of Anbe Sivam over Kannathil Muthamittal. nothing to do with Ghilli. Rolling Eyes

best film na enna

both AS and KM are gud only ...but anbe sivam ngara title kae

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 23:32:47 2009.

Nerd wrote:

tamizharasan wrote:

As a matter of fact I voted for Anbe Sivam even though I liked both Anbe Sivam and Kannaththil Muththamittaal.

avaru pracharam panra padi dhaan sila peru desparate a edho try pannitrukkainga, idhula vera!
Adhavadhu Sachin pidikkadhavanga Dhoni-ya support panna kadhaya....

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 23:36:09 2009.

Thanks, Bala. You have some points there. I suppose AS touched me emotionally, as opposed to Viru which is more cerebral.

By the way, has anyone seen The Life Of David Gale?

What? That makes only two of us? Razz

Naan pakkalainga, it's just that people ignore Tootsie (Gemini hitting on Shanmugi maami etc) and look only at Mrs. Doubtfire, they bark up the wrong tree (Rashomon). Gale is closer in terms of capital punishment, intree etc

From: Nerd on Tue Nov 10 23:40:14 2009.

As a matter of fact I voted for Anbe Sivam even though I liked both Anbe Sivam and Kannaththil Muththamittaal.

avaru pracharam panra padi dhaan sila peru desparate a edho try pannitrukkainga, idhula LOL

vera!
Adhavadhu Sachin pidikkadhavanga Dhoni-ya support panna kadhaya.... LOL

I seriously don't get it. Are you accusing me of asking people to vote against Kamal films (ennamO naan sonnA kEtturra maadhiri). If you ve been following my posts, naan kadandha sila pala varusamaavE kadhal-movie of the decade-nu sollittu irukkEn. LM/Maddy and few others know.

Btw, jeyichittu irukkumbodhE edhukku thEvai illAdha tensson, accusation, vambizhuthals etc. Do you expect everyone to support VM/AS?????

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Nov 10 23:45:31 2009.

Nerd,
Neenga target audience illenna avingalukku reach aara varaikkum porumaya iruppadhu nandru
Accusations, vambizhuthal-a? Naan reply panna line a padiyunga. Yeah, avar solradha naama ellarum panradhu dhaan - Suriya, Su Pu etc but sila peru take it to a new level

From: groucho070 on Tue Nov 10 23:49:04 2009.

Well, my mistake too...coz I was only looking on story telling approach when I mentioned Rashomon and Andha Naal, as that was what paraded as some sort of novelty by most audience that I know...not the capital punishment aspect. But you are right on the link between the multiple POV and what it means to truth and justice. I overlooked that I suppose, thanks for enlightening.

As for Gale....no, the film is very different from Viru. Capital Punishment patti innum pala padam irukku, including craps like Just Cause or True Crime (rendum pidicha actors, what to do??). Gale takes a no-nonsense approach and pretty drab. Viru is more exciting as it takes you places, both geographically and through different view points.

I have mentioned sometimes back about Tootsie + Kramer vs Kramer = Mrs. Doubtfire. But that's a different matter.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 0:06:36 2009.

coz I was only looking on story telling approach when I mentioned Rashomon and Andha Naal, as that was what paraded as some sort of novelty by most audience that I know...not the capital punishment aspect. But you are right on the link between the multiple POV and what it means to truth and justice. I overlooked that I suppose, thanks for enlightening.

Yes, it is exactly that, a narrative technique. Ippo flashback-ngara narrative technique eduthukkuvom, its a technique adopted in virtually every movie. Its just that the story telling technique is just part of a film - screenplay, plot, central theme idhellam paakkanum.

P.S: While on the topic, its strange nobody mentions Virumaandi's influence on Paruthiveeran or that shot of Karthi taking a nap and Priya Mani passing him. The piercing sun rays disturbing his sleep - Miffune in Rashomon ( a very minor thing, a nitpick in fact but nobody, who would otherwise doo it gleefully if it were a Kamal film (Eureka brigade) mentions it)!

As for Gale....no, the film is very different from Viru. Capital Punishment patti innum pala padam irukku, including craps like Just Cause or True Crime (rendum pidicha actors, what to do??). Gale takes a no-nonsense approach and pretty drab. Viru is more exciting as it takes you places, both geographically and through different view points.

Straight from the horse's mouth

I mean setting nu paartha similarities idhula dhaan jaasthi. That a film is more than these nu makkal miss panraanga.

About capital punishment, its opponents have two issues IMO - It is irreversible and it is retribution and not redemption or 'correction'.
"A Short Film On Killing", "In Cold Blood" (Johny's suave cheque issuing scene has its origin here i guess) - talk in terms of the latter - how capital punishment is also just a murder for retribution, to quench our thirst for blood and revenge. Virumaandi attempts to tackle both the points (Justice Krishna Iyer makes a case fo the second point while the film itself is about the first issue). How successful it is in this aspect is debatable. And the fact that we had a climax before the climax played for the gallery (that piercing throat poke satisfying the audience craving for Kothaalan's blood) didn't help!

From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 0:12:24 2009.

Great, Bala, now you had me indirectly campaigning for Viru AS or Viru, the scriptwriter for both, I have only this to say
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 0:23:25 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

Great, Bala, now you had me indirectly campaigning for Viru AS or Viru, the scriptwriter for both, I have only this to say

Edhukku vote pottaalum ok dhaan, just wanted to address a point or two

Anbe Sivam is a personal and emotional favorite of mine. Kittathatta 80 times paathiruppen and i used to fiercely defend it before

IMO, its not a good showcase of a rigorous debate between capitalism vs communism. Yes, Anbarasu was a punching bag (but it is by no means an unreal cardboard character, i have seen it in flesh and blood). It had some ordinary performances and some dialogues which just didn't follow the course of the story. "Saamiya? Endha saami?" is just a minor example - this is just to elicit the next response and is not something that character would have said. I just see it as a wonderful road movie and a plot which means to reconcile Anbu and Sivam. Perhaps not lofty but sweet nevertheless. Its like a kid which is by no means the most talented but one which is most endearing

Kaadhal, on the other hand is a magnificent force. For a while, that was to me the best film in recent times. Only subsequent TVD trips to Virumaandi showed what an even stronger force the film was
From: Cinefan on Wed Nov 11 0:28:29 2009.

On Virumaandi,another thing which most people ignore-Narrative style may have been presented in an earlier film but it's very difficult to copy it.The writing and execution has to be perfect to pull it off withhout leaving the audiences confused.

Only Masters can pull it off.
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 0:39:31 2009.

looks like Anbe Sivam landslide ......Anbe Sivam never worked for me...........i just could acknowledge Madhavan's ferfarmans.......but i disagree with madhavan's characterisation to the core.......and same with Naseer - the capitalist, shaivite villain ........."stereotyping-e sivam"-nnu vena padam title rename pannalaam......

Virumandi on the other hand was enchanting tale of different perspectives of a same incident......brilliant performances and technically superior product too......though climax is a dampener, movie had great writing and undertones......

Kannathil Muthamittal is by far the best work of mani post-1992......madhavan's characterisation was horrible but simran, kids and Keerthana were out of the world.......getting a sinhalese perspective of eelam issue, showing child terrorism subtly, reality of people displacement/bombing - Mani shows how things can be presented as it is ........Killer music

but i still feel Kadhal is the best.....
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 0:42:26 2009.

Vote podaattiyum parava illa, Viruman pathi konjam sathama sila pala varigal Equanimus vandhu ezhudhanum. PR konjam ezhudhinaar, but innum force a edhir paakkaren. Plum edhuvum ezhudhala (climax manamaatram patri ezhudhalaame) and Kannannn/Thilagar aalaye kaanum!

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 0:52:22 2009.

As a matter of fact I voted for Anbe Sivam even though I liked both Anbe Sivam and Kannaththil Muththamittaal.

avaru pracharam panra padi dhaan sila peru desparate a edho try pannitrukkainga, idhula LOL

vera!
Adhavadhu Sachin pidikkadhavanga Dhoni-ya support panna kadhaya.... LOL

Bala, Nerd
I was just having fun in this thread. I don't have any intention to bring down AS or Virumandi. I just told, Since Kamal fans were divided it was easy for other to enter. I will be very happy if AS wins this contest.

From: AravindMano on Wed Nov 11 0:57:58 2009.

Kannathil Muthamittal is by far the best work of mani post-1992......madhavan's characterisation was horrible but simran, kids and Keerthana were out of the world.......getting a sinhalese perspective of eelam issue, showing child terrorism subtly, reality of people displacement/bombing - Mani shows how things can be presented as it is Cool

........Killer music

appadiyaa

I thought the film never had any perspective on that issue. 'ஆயுத வியாபாரம் பண்ற முன்னேறிய நாடுகள் இந்த யுத்த்த்தை இன்னும் வளர்க்கிறார்கள்' kinda dialogues mattum dhaane irundhadhu?

From: Vivasaayi on Wed Nov 11 1:07:16 2009.

keerthana - out of this world just like other kids of maniratnam ...vetru graha kulandhai!

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 1:09:08 2009.

AravindMano wrote:

appadiyaa

ofcourse, when Prakashraj says that he means - the entire conflict is just for weapons........i used to be very angry at mani for bringing such a dialogue which really "kochhapaduthufies" eelam struggle......but thats what the elite, educated Sinhalese might have to say, u never know.......Mani never says Prakash raj was right, its just we get to see a srilankan perspective for the first time in our lives

From: VENKIRAJA on Wed Nov 11 1:10:14 2009.

Vivasaayi wrote:

keerthana - out of this world just like other kids of maniratnam ...vetru graha kulandhai!

Yes. Most parts were annoying.The kid in kAdhal was written better, I would say.

BTW, is there a thread for the best 90s film/album? That would be even more interesting..
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 1:12:13 2009.

VENKIRAJA wrote:

BTW, is there a thread for the best 90s film/album? That would be even more interesting..

i know what you want to prove.......i sternly warn you of consequences
From: Vivasaayi on Wed Nov 11 1:13:08 2009.

90's film easiya win aayirum - thevar magan

90's music...
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 1:14:23 2009.

MADDY wrote:

know.......Mani never says Prakash raj was right, its just we get to see a srilankan perspective for the first time in our lives

We've been getting the SL perspective all our lives illeengala? LTTE is evil, LTTE=Tamil eezham nu dhaane naama solli valarkka pattom? I got the Tamil perspective only in the internet ("adhu un ariyaamai" nu neenga sollalaam but i strongly believe it would be the case for many of us). Moreover, does Prakash Raj's line represent the typical SL perspective on the issue?
From: Rocky89 on Wed Nov 11 1:16:49 2009.

90's best album/song thread create pannnuna top 10 list'la Rahman album/song at least 7 irukkum..

From: joe on Wed Nov 11 1:19:04 2009.

i used to be very angry at mani for bringing such a dialogue which really "kochhapaduthufies" eelam struggle......but thats what the elite, educated Sinhalese might have to say, u never know.......Mani never says Prakash raj was right, its just we get to see a srilankan perspective

I agree with you here and i believe this is how we should take any character in a movie .

But i noticed many times you brought a character's reaction as director ,actor reaction

Mani padaththai paakkuRa maathiri ella padathayum paakkurathu nallathu

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 1:19:09 2009.

We've been getting the SL perspective all our lives illeengala? LTTE is evil, LTTE=Tamil eezham nu dhaane naama solli valarkka pattom? I got the Tamil perspective only in the internet ("adhu un ariyaamai" nu neenga sollalaam but i strongly believe it would be the case for many of us).

illaye, adhu typical Indian knowlegde(lack of it) on Eelam issue, illaya? kandippa, after coming to HUB only, i got knowledge of this issue......how shameful isnt it

.....

Moreover, does Prakash Raj's line represent the typical SL perspective on the issue?

i dont know.....but 2-3 mainstream SL opinions kitta thatta match aagudhu......they all agree to a bottomline that this war is* a phoney one

(was

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 1:23:46 2009.

From: joe on Wed Nov 11 1:20:25 2009.

MADDY wrote:

know.......Mani never says Prakash raj was right, its just we get to see a srilankan perspective for the first time in our lives

It should be "first time in a Tamil cinema"
From: Vivasaayi on Wed Nov 11 1:21:37 2009.

Rocky89 wrote:

90's best album/song thread create pannnuna top 10 list'la Rahman album/song at least 7 irukkum..
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 1:23:36 2009.

Rocky89 wrote:

90's best album/song thread create pannnuna top 10 list'la Rahman album/song at least 7 irukkum..

nenapps, pozhapps ......the real intention to break the "maayee" that rahman was all conquering in 90s........but honestly, i would take drastic measures if anyone moves towards doing that

illaye, adhu typical Indian knowlegde(lack of it) on Eelam issue, illaya? kandippa, after coming to HUB only, i got knowledge of this issue......how shameful isnt it Sad

.....

Appo eppadi first time we're getting an SL perspective nu solreenga?

know.......Mani never says Prakash raj was right, its just we get to see a srilankan perspective for the first time in our lives Smile

It should be "first time in a Tamil cinema"

Yes and how many movies talked about this conflict in the first place?

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 1:30:04 2009.

joe wrote:

But i noticed many times you brought a character's reaction as director ,actor reaction

adhu sila "oppudhal vaakumoolam" interviews and telling that on every stage made me react like that - but yes, andha madhiri judgemental-a oru filmmakera paakkuradhu thappu dhaan

Bala - i donno if i expressed myself clearly......i have never heard anything much abt this issue from wickramainghes and jayawardenes........thats wat i meant, SL perspective.....i mean, nobody in TFI before had taken effort to see wat "they" think........mani tells us, this is wat they think - and i found it agreeable after interacting with couple of "them" .........i could be completely wrong and it could be one of those half baked Maniratnam/Sujata ideas but i found it agreeable and a "first in tamil cinema" till now....
From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 1:38:32 2009.

Jaiganesh, I found NK boring and the parts that tried to get deep left me cold.

Venki, தேவர் மகன் > விருமாண்டி 'ன்னு சொல்றீங்களா. யாரும் அதை மறுக்கப் போறதில்லை. இந்த பஞ்சாயத்தே வேற. ப.வீ ஒரு தடவைக்கு மேல பார்க்குறதுக்கு ஒண்ணும் இல்லைன்னு நினைக்கிறேன்.
From: joe on Wed Nov 11 1:39:58 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

how many movies talked about this conflict in the first place?

I am not sure 'Katrukenna veli' was post KM.

Btw, Intha conflict pahi padam eduththa Central Govt perspective -vai meeRi eduththu censor risk edukka yaar virumpuvaa?
From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 1:41:25 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

By the way, has anyone seen The Life Of David Gale?
Yes. idhukkaagavE paarthEn.
Film against capital punishment.
The prison intree has a vague similarity in 'feel'. That's about it.

Trying to imagine Kevin Spacey slapping the desk and look up and say "what can you do ?" without speaking a word.

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 1:43:21 2009.

Vote podaattiyum parava illa, Viruman pathi konjam sathama sila pala varigal Equanimus vandhu ezhudhanum. PR konjam ezhudhinaar, but innum force a edhir paakkaren. Plum edhuvum ezhudhala (climax manamaatram patri ezhudhalaame) and Kannannn/Thilagar aalaye kaanum!

ezhudhalAm dhAn - kOrvaiyA vara mAttEngudhE. innoru murai pArkaNum. But I dont think I'll get to see Virumandi in near future, too. vootula VCD watching has been completely stopped. TV-la pOtta dhAN undu - pOttAlum, it has to compete with Chota Bhim and Doremon and what-nots.

Suppose ezhudhinA, , I'll probably write about that climax manamAtram only(shrewd observation there by Bala)

From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 1:43:22 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

Y not? I also agree.

Actually Gilli, Dhool ellAm "thee maadhiri irukkum" -nu solli solli konjam overA marget paNNittaanga. At best, uLLadhukkuLLa paravaayillai.

From: joe on Wed Nov 11 1:43:49 2009.

Venki, தேவர் மகன் > விருமாண்டி 'ன்னு சொல்றீங்களா. யாரும் அதை மறுக்கப் போறதில்லை. இந்த பஞ்சாயத்தே வேற. ப.வீ ஒரு தடவைக்கு மேல பார்க்குறதுக்கு ஒண்ணும் இல்லைன்னு நினைக்கிறேன்.

எனக்கு விருமாண்டி ரொம்ப பிடிச்சிருந்தது ..ஆனா என் பலவீனம்

நேரடியா வெட்டுறது குத்துறது ,ரத்த சிதறல் பார்த்தா கண்ணை மூடிக்குவேன்

.அதனாலேயே தியேட்டர்ல ரெண்டாவது முறை பார்க்கல்ல ..DVD-ல ரெண்டு முறை பார்த்தேன் ..ரத்த காட்சிகளை ஓட்டி விட்டு

From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 1:45:31 2009.

Anbe Sivathukku vote pOdRavanga Kiran/Nassar (to an extent) performances (or the lack of it), underwhelming flasback scenes konjam consider pannunga. It certainly deserves a place in the top 10, no two ways about it but winning ellAm... VirumaaNdi jeyichaal OK dhaan.

It was a lesser performance from Nasser. But everyone - including Nasser himself - seem to keep mentioning it

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 1:46:50 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

MrIndia wrote:

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli

Y not? I also agree.

suprising yaa......we had 3 days of nominations and nobody nominated this movie .......top nominationsla vandhirundha kandippa poll-la irundhirukkum.......
From: Raikkonen on Wed Nov 11 1:46:53 2009.

90's meesic list create pannugappu..

sa lalakumar, siruppi, thiruthisai thendral albums ellam neraya vantha period athu..
From: joe on Wed Nov 11 1:47:01 2009.

P_R wrote:

But everyone - including Nasser himself - seem to keep mentioning it

அப்படி ஒரு சிறப்பான படத்துல நானும் இருந்தேன் -ன்னு சொல்லிக்கிற பெருமை தான் .
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 1:47:24 2009.

Incidentally Thalaivar never mentions Anbe Sivam among his best/better works
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 1:48:44 2009.

Vivasaayi wrote:

keerthana - out of this world just like other kids of maniratnam ...vetru graha kulandhai!

Yes, but it wasnt always like this, I suppose. Nayagan-la, kid surya was a little adhigaprasangi but quite natural. Kids observe and mimic what they observe, and I never felt it went overboard. I dont remember the kids in Mounaraagam, if any.

Then it started from Geethanjali - the mars kids. Anjali, despite the fact that the kids went further overboard, was enjoyable. Nevertheless, the mars-ness of the kids was pronounced, despite the enjoyability factor. I dont remember much of the Roja-Bombay phase(Maddy vandhu freudian explanation koduppar ).

But I guess Keerthana in KM is the peak creation of all Manirathnam kids - Mars-O Mars. Since then, though, where are the kids in his movies? I dont remember any from GURU, Yuva...

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 1:53:08 2009.

TV la potta the mutilations by the channel will be grosser than those in the film

Viruman TVD a engayo tholachitten

From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 1:53:09 2009.

Raikkonen wrote:

sa lalakumar, siruppi, thiruthisai thendral albums ellam neraya vantha period athu..
From: joe on Wed Nov 11 1:53:45 2009.

Plum ,
when i heard Mani's son wrote a book on communism and took part in communist conference in his age of 15 ,I thought மணிரத்னம் படத்தில் வர்ற மாதிரி அவர் வட்டத்தில் இருந்த குழைந்தைகள் கொஞ்சம் அதிகபிரசங்கியா இருந்திருப்பாங்க போல
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 1:54:27 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

Raikkonen wrote:

sa lalakumar, siruppi, thiruthisai thendral albums ellam neraya vantha period athu..

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 1:56:47 2009.

Plum ,
when i heard Mani's son wrote a book on communism and took part in communist conference in his age of 15 ,I thought மணிரத்னம் படத்தில் வர்ற மாதிரி அவர் வட்டத்தில் இருந்த குழைந்தைகள் கொஞ்சம் அதிகபிரசங்கியா இருந்திருப்பாங்க போல Smile

Or maybe puLLAndAN, Manirathnam padam pArthu valarndhAnO ennamO?

From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 2:00:37 2009.

(Eureka brigade)

Virumaandi attempts to tackle both the points (Justice Krishna Iyer makes a case fo the second point while the film itself is about the first issue). How successful it is in this aspect is debatable. And the fact that we had a climax before the climax played for the gallery (that piercing throat poke satisfying the audience craving for Kothaalan's blood) didn't help!

The story of teacher on death row (Poet Puviyarasu) attacks any of the pro-soceity arguments for capital punishment. The introduction of VirumANdi via KothaLan- an unrepentant saNdiyan, a brute not amenable to reason: that is exactly someone 'society' would have no qualms getting rid off. And just when you have oscillated there he pushes the pendulum back with the 'reality'.

It really challenges our constant demand to 'reduce' everything to simple digestible bits. To go about our daily business we have to 'reduce', we have to 'typify'. But is any life 'typical' at all for us to be able to pass even an extreme judgement to deem it expendable and 'end' it.

From: OnMyWay on Wed Nov 11 2:01:54 2009.

IMHO,
Anjadhey is top of the heap ,so multilayered and such an amazing screenplay.

As already mentioned Anbe Sivam could be faulted for its flashback, underwhelming acting at places,average music(except for the 1 song)and sudden change's in Kamal's character which are kinda hard to accept..

Still,for the frigging theme and dialogues
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 2:02:02 2009.

Plum wrote:

Or maybe puLLAndAN, Manirathnam padam pArthu valarndhAnO ennamO?

i dont know abt others, but me and my set of frnds are just byproducts of maniratnam movies heroes-nnu sollikradhula endha vekkamum illa ........i have stories of how maniratnam movies characterised small town/big town love affairs etc.....on how top floor under-constructed houses rent shot up after Alaiputhey ....as much as some people hate it, Maniratnam is a major influence in Tamil society - both urban and semi-urban......

From: OnMyWay on Wed Nov 11 2:05:16 2009.

Actually Gilli, Dhool ellAm "thee maadhiri irukkum" -nu solli solli konjam overA marget paNNittaanga. At best, uLLadhukkuLLa paravaayillai.

If chennai600028 & anjaadhey can be added to poll... y not Ghilli Rolling Eyes

Y not? I also agree.

IMHO,
Anjadhey is the work of a master . His understanding of the medium ,screenplay and the way he plays with the viewer..

From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 2:05:34 2009.

எனக்கு விருமாண்டி ரொம்ப பிடிச்சிருந்தது ..ஆனா என் பலவீனம் Embarassed

நேரடியா வெட்டுறது குத்துறது ,ரத்த சிதறல் பார்த்தா கண்ணை மூடிக்குவேன் Embarassed

.அதனாலேயே தியேட்டர்ல ரெண்டாவது முறை பார்க்கல்ல ..DVD-ல ரெண்டு முறை பார்த்தேன் ..ரத்த காட்சிகளை ஓட்டி விட்டு Smile

நானும் கிட்ட்டத்தட்ட.
btw Saw-னு ஒரு திகில் படம்.
இந்த காலத்து இளைஞர்களை நினைச்சா எனக்கு மூட்டுவலி,முதுகுவலி எல்லாம் வந்துரும் போல இருக்கு.

From: OnMyWay on Wed Nov 11 2:10:22 2009.

Just curious, Polladhavan,Kakha kakha and Ramana yaar list layum illaya?

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 2:12:38 2009.

(Eureka brigade)

I have a lot of time for your second paragraph. Indeed, my heart-change on the climax was something related to this - that TV interview shows the 'human' side of Virumandi. He has been through so many things. The wail for annalakshmi there is part-feeling-from-deep-inside, part-public-cleansing, part-stoic-acceptance-of-his-life. For us, who just watched Annalakshim being murdered an hour ago, it is still fresh in our minds, and we tend to see the virumandi in the tv interview as the one who just an hour ago lost Annalakshmi. But so much has happened in his life since then - he had resigned to a prison life and stoically expecting the death row. The jail sequences show him this condition, impervious to others' feelings, still carrrying Annalakshmi's remembrance as his sole connection to living, with even revenge against kothALan not even a figment of a thought in his mind. What happens during riot is captured brilliantly - Viruman does not participate at all in the beginning. He is least bothered about Angela Kathamuthu getting out safely. He is still Virumandi, the man who lost annalakshmi, the only soul who cared for understood him, and nothing else matters to him. It takes the shrewd pEikAman to instil a desire to take an opportunity for revenge in him. He is slowly being sucked into a non-annalakshmi world in those few minutes.

kOrvaiyA vara mAttEngudhu. I'll try to put my raw thoughts bit-by-bit and then consolidate.

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 2:15:46 2009.

Or maybe puLLAndAN, Manirathnam padam pArthu valarndhAnO ennamO? Smile

i dont know abt others, but me and my set of frnds are just byproducts of maniratnam movies heroes-nnu sollikradhula endha vekkamum illa Laughing

........i have stories of how maniratnam movies characterised small town/big town love affairs etc.....on how top floor under-constructed houses rent shot up after Alaiputhey ROTFL

....as much as some people hate it, Maniratnam is a major influence in Tamil society - both urban and semi-urban......

adhAvadhu nInga Aravindswamy/Madhavan maadhiri "college teenage pENgaL ellOkkum en meedhu kaNgaL" type heartthrob-nu oru bit pOdarInga, apdi thAnE

From: complicateur on Wed Nov 11 2:20:40 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

By the way, has anyone seen The Life Of David Gale?

uLLEn ayyA! In the interest of immodesty and name dropping I watched it at a preview show with Kevin Spacey for kambEni. We had a nice Q&A after the movie where Spacey discussed at length about lighting up, The Usual Suspects and why the hell idiots were not asking him about the movie they just watched.
There is a little similarity in the interviewing scenes with Winslet and Spacey and the anti-capital punishment is woven into the plot as opposed to sermonized. But really lifts VirumANdi is everything NOT set in the confines of the prison. The ethnicity and internal politics in the story of a so-called uncomplicated village simpleton. Those scenes have never been written as well. The only thing that is even in competition is thEvar Magan.
On the other hand when P_R cn reject Pithamagan because NK wasnt great... not voting for VirumANdi based on the subpar scenes IN the movie is justifiable too I guess.... orE kustamappA!
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 2:20:40 2009.

The biggest change in his life is he moves from a deathrow inmate to a minor 15-minutes celebrity. How does he handle it? Reality show and all? What does he know? He was this brute, and his only connection to philosophy is what annalakshmi taught him - and he is in this confused state, where he probably sees his whole life better - what he was, what annalakshmi was, what she could have been to him, what he lost - I think post-jail is when it hits him the real impact of annalakshmi's loss. Till then, the awaited hanging makes him impervious to any thoughts on what he really has lost in annalakshmi. It is when he has to 'live', that it hits him hard. That is why, on my subsequent viewings, I found the TV interview pitch-perfect in 'closing out' the movie.
(Still, kOrvaiyA vara mAttEngudhu. Mr ParimElazhagar, ungaLukku purinjirundhA, konjam notes pOdunga )
From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 2:32:01 2009.

Plum
theLivaagavE irukku.

I hated the TV interview ending the first time I saw it, but it has kind of grown on me for the reasons you mention about. And I am confident and willing to make these readings ONLY in a Kamal film. idhai sonnA combli kushtappaduraar.
From: equanimus on Wed Nov 11 2:35:59 2009.

P_R wrote:

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

(Eureka brigade)

I find it very very annoying. Most times, it makes absolutely no sense. Frankly I often get a sense that the viewer hasn't got either of the films. I mean, the point is not even that they are just picking on a very minor inspiration or simply nitpicking. It's not like they are offering a real insight on which film is being quoted in a particular shot of the film. It's just some arbitrary recollection of some film while watching this film.

What can one even say in response when someone says that 'ayan' (its climax) is inspired by 'Catch Me If You Can'? And 'pollAdhavan' is supposed to be Bicycle Thieves! (I've not seen the latter film by the way, so can't comment if Vetrimaran quotes that film here, but 'pollAdhavan' is so not a neo-realist film, whichever way you look at it.) Jaw-dropping stuff.

And people soon start seeing the whole film in utter bad faith. I was simply astonished when a blogger claimed that MMKR's climax is inspired by Jaane Bhi Do Yaaro simply by putting screenshots of a man on a motorbike and a man hanging from the balcony (you've to see the situation in which this happens in both films to know how vastly different they actually are!) from both films.
From: equanimus on Wed Nov 11 2:39:38 2009.

By the way, I wasn't talking about the Virumaandi case (!) here. Seeing Bala's mention of that phrase ('Eureka brigade'), I was just recalling to my various experiences on that front.
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 2:40:02 2009.

Plum wrote:

adhAvadhu nInga Aravindswamy/Madhavan maadhiri "college teenage pENgaL ellOkkum en meedhu kaNgaL" type heartthrob-nu oru bit pOdarInga, apdi thAnE

appadi illa, when other directors make movies on real life characters, maniratnam influences how real life characters should be......

From: Anban on Wed Nov 11 2:41:32 2009.

OnMyWay wrote:

IMHO,
Anjadhey is top of the heap ,so multilayered and such an amazing screenplay.

As already mentioned Anbe Sivam could be faulted for its flashback, underwhelming acting at places,average music(except for the 1 song)and sudden change's in Kamal's character which are kinda hard to accept..

Still,for the frigging theme and dialogues Not Worthy

the last 30-40 mins of anjaathey is a bit of a let down..other than that its just an amazing movie..

From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 2:42:17 2009.

I was simply astonished when a blogger claimed that MMKR's climax is inspired by Jaane Bhi Do Yaaro simply by putting screenshots of a man on a motorbike and a man hanging from the balcony (you've to see the situation in which this happens in both films to know how vastly different they actually are!) from both films.

Obviously the bloke have not seen the Chaplins.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 2:47:46 2009.

He is the leader of the pack and his best is this: He puts up a "Kamal Inspirations" posts with videos and meticulously "compares" stuff - this includes Rudra Veena/UMT and Arjun/Sathya

Obviously the bloke have not seen the Chaplins. Rolling Eyes

From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 2:54:06 2009.

Paavambaa....disabled people-a paartu sirikkapdaathu

From: equanimus on Wed Nov 11 2:54:47 2009.

Yes, same reaction here! What's amazing is that the only similarity between the climax in MMKR and JBDY is that they're both madcap chase sequences. (By the way, for those who have seen JBDY, he was not talking about the climax on a stage scene, but the chase before that. The scene in that double-floor house* where there's a commotion to procure that dead body!) The basis of his allegation is an full-blow prototype for god's sake.

* -- malai, gilai 'llAm illai.

Obviously the bloke have not seen the Chaplins. Rolling Eyes

From: equanimus on Wed Nov 11 3:12:36 2009.

By the way, I don't want to discuss specifically about the blogger's views when he is not in a position to defend himself. (Though I'm acutely aware that we do the same when it comes to people from the media. ) The point I wanted to bring about was the bad faith in which people sometimes watch a film. I still keep hearing people say that 'anjAdhE' is inspired by 'Mystic River' and so on.
From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 3:24:08 2009.

equanimus wrote:

..... the point is not even that they are just picking on a very minor inspiration or simply nitpicking....
equanimus, planes trains and automobiles was not just a minor inspiration.
Anbe Sivam took the entire line of PTA and used it as the backdrop to its story-telling.

Would the film have survived without the inspiration? Vey much, I suspect. It may even have been a BO hit; who is to tell?

From: equanimus on Wed Nov 11 3:46:14 2009.

..... the point is not even that they are just picking on a very minor inspiration or simply nitpicking....

equanimus, planes trains and automobiles was not just a minor inspiration.
Anbe Sivam took the entire line of PTA and used it as the backdrop to its story-telling.

Would the film have survived without the inspiration? Vey much, I suspect. It may even have been a BO hit; who is to tell?

illa, NOV, nAn 'anbE sivam' paththip pEsavE illai. (I didn't even read the earlier posts on 'anbE sivam.' nAn PR post'ai pArththuttu dhAn reply senjEn.) I was just talking about how some arbitrary allegations stay forever.

From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 3:50:54 2009.

oh, sorry for the misunderstanding then.
oru nimisham konja aayitten, adhaan.

From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 4:03:57 2009.

Apt here, PR.

Actually even compared to Gold Rush, Kamal had added so much so much more. Gold Rush had two people scrambling for balance in that house and it was no doubt extremely impressive use of the medium (theorists can write essays about space, shape, dynamics, direction etc.). Throwing in a whole bunch of people <VAM speaks in our voice when saying kizhinjudhu idhula telungu vEraiyA !). All this with multiple Kamals, technically challenging himself like crazy. Tribute-nA ippidi irukkaNUm.

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 4:20:52 2009.

He is the leader of the pack and his best is this: He puts up a "Kamal Inspirations" posts with videos and meticulously "compares" stuff - this includes Rudra Veena/UMT and Arjun/Sathya ROTFL2

Obviously the bloke have not seen the Chaplins. Rolling Eyes

This piece, I want. Who is this entertainer blogger? Ling pls

From: MrIndia on Wed Nov 11 4:47:54 2009.

NOV wrote:

it should be the other way around TA. heart discriminates, brains shouldnt.

personally, if ghilli becomes the best film of the decade, I will give up tamil films for good.

athenna heart.. brain..

its always just brain.

Everything has two choices.

1) one we actually like
2) we try to choose a film from bunch after analyzing what others will think about our pick.. this is where one becomes a hypocrite.

FYI: Ghilli has already become one of the best movies of the decade.
From: 19thmay on Wed Nov 11 5:01:35 2009.

Yeah Yeah I actually nominated Ghilli, not only Ghilli but also Saamy,Run and Dhool!

Naan Kadavul-laam list-la irrukuradhey thappu, its an incomplete one!
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 5:36:09 2009.

19thmay wrote:

Yeah Yeah I actually nominated Ghilli, not only Ghilli but also Saamy,Run and Dhool!

Naan Kadavul-laam list-la irrukuradhey thappu, its an incomplete one!

En indha Billa, Dheena-lAm enna pAvam paNNichu? nInga 'andha' camp illaiyA?
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 5:44:14 2009.

Flum,
for the Viruman post

And seck PM
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 5:51:20 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Flum,
for the Viruman post

And seck PM

Attai kadichu, mAttai kadichu...

From: 19thmay on Wed Nov 11 5:53:23 2009.

Yeah Yeah I actually nominated Ghilli, not only Ghilli but also Saamy,Run and Dhool!

Naan Kadavul-laam list-la irrukuradhey thappu, its an incomplete one!

En indha Billa, Dheena-lAm enna pAvam paNNichu? nInga 'andha' camp illaiyA? Rolling Eyes

Andha camp-na? Ajith fan-a-nu kekureengala? I don't prefer Ajith movies. Instead I find Vijay movies entertaining.

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 5:54:29 2009.

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The wail for annalakshmi there is part-feeling-from-deep-inside, part-public-cleansing, part-stoic-acceptance-of-his-life. For us, who just watched Annalakshim being murdered an hour ago, it is still fresh in our minds, and we tend to see the virumandi in the tv interview as the one who just an hour ago lost Annalakshmi.

Thinking further, the very dismissal of the interview scene(which I also was guilty off initially) is reiterating the point that P_R made:

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It really challenges our constant demand to 'reduce' everything to simple digestible bits. To go about our daily business we have to 'reduce', we have to 'typify'. But is any life 'typical' at all for us to be able to pass even an extreme judgement to deem it expendable and 'end' it.

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 6:00:14 2009.

Yeah Yeah I actually nominated Ghilli, not only Ghilli but also Saamy,Run and Dhool!

Naan Kadavul-laam list-la irrukuradhey thappu, its an incomplete one!

En indha Billa, Dheena-lAm enna pAvam paNNichu? nInga 'andha' camp illaiyA? Rolling Eyes

Andha camp-na? Ajith fan-a-nu kekureengala? I don't prefer Ajith movies. Instead I find Vijay movies entertaining.

Oh! I think I got conpees between you and Venkiraja. (Old failing, ask equa and compli

From: sharishs on Wed Nov 11 6:34:08 2009.

it should be the other way around TA. heart discriminates, brains shouldnt.

personally, if ghilli becomes the best film of the decade, I will give up tamil films for good. Mad

athenna heart.. brain..

its always just brain.

Everything has two choices.

1) one we actually like
2) we try to choose a film from bunch after analyzing what others will think about our pick.. this is where one becomes a hypocrite.

FYI: Ghilli has already become one of the best movies of the decade.

GOD NOV how can u behave like this? that too being a MOD?

naane sullaan, thiruvilayadal aarambam lam nominate pannalaamnu irundhen, nalla vela pannala, illaina en user id-a thookirupenga!!

personally i feel v shud encourage sci-fi films like Udaya, Vyaapari..

anyway i guess the thread is TAMIL MOVIE of the decade

and not a movie in tamil that entertained us with craps...

i guess its (only) our brain again that will help us discriminate the crap that v enjoy and the good things v relish the best.

@MrIndia, 19th may:
ghilli is 1 of the best entertainin films. but it cannot becom a film of decade. u very well kno that dis is for discussing legendary films. and legends are unique, not somethin that can be easily made every now and then by evryon.

(udane BO collection adhu idhu nu quote panadhengalen pls. Sivaji, Chandramukhi, Varalaaru -> 1,2,3 respectivly in collctions in histry of tamil films...but none can be claimd as a film of decade sort of)

@NOV: btw i saw someone nominating for yaaruku yaaro stepnee. I am depressed that you havent recognized it

aftr seein all stuffs lik

-sayin der are 2 kinds of films, 1 for heart, 1 for brain, etc...

i get reminded of this old conversation.

there are only 2 kinds of audience for a 150min movie

1. one who emphasizes and emphasizes and still emphasizes the 25min song sequences and rate the film based on that

&

2. the other one looking out for something meaningful in the remaining 125mins. (who cares a bit about the 25mins? Rats... )

From: Cinefan on Wed Nov 11 7:03:02 2009.

Anybody seen Spartacus *ing Kirk Douglas.

There is a jail break scene in the film which I am sure inspired KH to recreate/develop for Virumaandi.In one of his TV interviews after the release of UPO,he mentioned seeing the film(Spartacus) more than 100 times along with Shruthi

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Nov 11 7:24:48 2009.

Cinefan wrote:

Anybody seen Spartacus *ing Kirk Douglas.

There is a jail break scene in the film which I am sure inspired KH to recreate/develop for Virumaandi.In one of his TV interviews after the release of UPO,he mentioned seeing the film(Spartacus) more than 100 times along with Shruthi

Yes, the kambi kadhavu pedhufying technique. He had also named his dog Spartacus

From: Raikkonen on Wed Nov 11 7:43:52 2009.

inime bolivia, tansania movies-lenthutan inspired avanum pola..

eppidi engenthu eduthalum kandupidichiduraainga.. tamizhan kalai aarvathukku ore ellaye illaya?
From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 7:50:28 2009.

Raikkonen wrote:

inime bolivia, tansania movies-lenthutan inspired avanum pola..

adhuvum mudiyAdhu.
namma thilagar kitta maattikkuvaanga

Script stage-la irukkura aduththa Haneke padathaiyE innEram anEgamA paarthuruppAr.
From: equanimus on Wed Nov 11 7:56:01 2009.

Korea side ellAm (all of East Asia) Littlemaster kaNkANichchuttu irukkAr.
From: littlemaster1982 on Wed Nov 11 7:59:07 2009.

Mudive pannitteengala
From: viraajan on Wed Nov 11 8:00:26 2009.

Oh andha seksan mattum LM pAthukkuraara?

From: jaiganes on Wed Nov 11 8:06:16 2009.

Though I did not vote for virumaandi, here are my little thoughts abt the movie.
For me personally, the narrative style to begin the story was a huge gimmick, and a highly risky one considering the audience kamal was aiming on. It was a nicely done gimmick nevertheless.
My big payoff from the movie was Pasupathi and Abhirami's characterisation and the nuanced display of the subculture of Naickers(with all their telugu) and Thevars. The frictions that exist and a more realistic recreation of the landscape (inspite of the obvious problems he faced). Things are hunky and dory as far as the movie exists on the plane of detailing and showing us the friction and that awesome 'well scene' in the kothalam's murderous spree. It had a lot of symbolic poignance and what a delightful coincidence to see a similar knot prop up in apocalypto. The court room outburst of viruman is as good as Nasser's breaking into a song in Avatharam - damn good heart felt performance. The last few minutes of the movie was diluted by the prison riot scenes (which were blood curdlingly well staged) and the propaganda that could have been avoided and simply substituted with newspaper cuttings that proclaim the point instead of a viruman in a TV news room. Even in the latter portions, Nasser and Rohini's turn were neatly done and definitely worth a second viewing.
Abhirami's performance as Annalakshmi is somthing amazing and her characterisation is something out of Vintage Bharathiraaja (reminded me of Rekha's teacher character in Kadalora kavidhaigal in some aspects) and Kamal has to be specially thanked for creating her character.
And propping it all is the understated and 'fitting like a glove' music from the one and only raasappu.

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 8:10:45 2009.

baalivoodkku P_R, Bala, Nerd matrum nam uravinargal ellam irukkaaha........baalivood kaapi adikkudha tea adikkudha-nnu paathukradhukku plum-anaar irukkaaha.....NOV, our HUB has one of the most comprehensive critic kurup....
From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 8:10:49 2009.

jaiganes wrote:

(reminded me of Rekha's teacher character in Kadalora kavidhaigal in some aspects)

muradanai thiruthing etc dhaan solreengannu budhdhikku puriyudhu. But still I had to register the initial jolt from reading the comparative mention

From: kid-glove on Wed Nov 11 8:17:19 2009.

inime bolivia, tansania movies-lenthutan inspired avanum pola..

Raikkonen wrote:

adhuvum mudiyAdhu.
namma thilagar kitta maattikkuvaanga

Script stage-la irukkura aduththa Haneke padathaiyE innEram anEgamA paarthuruppAr. Smile

If possible, yes.

But I did watch "The White Ribbon" last week.

From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 8:21:41 2009.

MrIndia wrote:

athenna heart.. brain..
its always just brain.

sharishs wrote:

i guess its (only) our brain again that will help us discriminate the crap that v enjoy and the good things v relish the best.

when I talked about brains vs heart, it was NOTHING about Ghilli.
From: jaiganes on Wed Nov 11 8:22:22 2009.

PR - Naan kadavul - deepla dhaan iruku eppavume. unlike Pithamagan - it did not surface even once in a while to adjust to the viewer. pidichirundhaa nee vaa, naan ippodhaikku varradhillai - I love my pot....

From: kid-glove on Wed Nov 11 8:39:23 2009.

Thinking further, the very dismissal of the interview scene(which I also was guilty off initially) is reiterating the point that P_R made:

Quote:

Quote:

Is the point alluding to audience reaction vis-a-vis capital punishment?

From: Aalavanthan on Wed Nov 11 8:42:44 2009.

lovely posts on Virumaandi fellow hubbers. But does anybody else think that Kamal should have maintained his physic on the head-shave parts of the movie ? The first time I watched the movie, I felt that he could have maintained his physic (as we have seen some Krishnasamy-bashing videos on youtube) and the climax could have been much faster than what it is.

ofcourse, justification there is, you cannot expect a man who has lost ALL in his life, woman, property etc - to maintain his physic inside the jail.

From: 19thmay on Wed Nov 11 8:55:14 2009.

sharishs wrote:

@MrIndia, 19th may:
ghilli is 1 of the best entertainin films. but it cannot becom a film of decade. u very well kno that dis is for discussing legendary films. and legends are unique, not somethin that can be easily made every now and then by evryon. Ashamed

blah blah
blah.....

Yaaru idhu?

Anyway have you seen my other nominations?

Run/Dhool/Gilli are very good entertainers of this decade, illanu solreengala?

From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 9:05:37 2009.

seriously sridhar, are you serious?
From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 10:29:07 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Incidentally Thalaivar never mentions Anbe Sivam among his best/better works

Kamal mentions different films in different times. But he mentions only Salangai Oli, Mahanadhi and Hey Ram all the times.
From: Nerd on Wed Nov 11 10:31:09 2009.

Wow, 8 votes for kAdhal

Maddy, have you? I have not

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 10:31:39 2009.

athenna heart.. brain..
its always just brain.

sharishs wrote:

i guess its (only) our brain again that will help us discriminate the crap that v enjoy and the good things v relish the best.

when I talked about brains vs heart, it was NOTHING about Ghilli.

Mad

NOV,
I never thought heart vs brain will create this kind of reactions. To satisfy fublic please open up another thread called Best Entertainer of the decade where you can satisfy all the requests.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 10:32:21 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Wow, 8 votes for kAdhal

Maddy, have you? I have not

so you have not voted yet Nerd?
From: kid-glove on Wed Nov 11 10:34:28 2009.

I've just voted for Viru.

13 votes.
From: Nerd on Wed Nov 11 10:41:54 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

so you have not voted yet Nerd?

No, I will vote after a couple of days.
From: Jyothsna on Wed Nov 11 10:43:11 2009.

Reserve panni vachirukkingala..
From: Nerd on Wed Nov 11 10:46:32 2009.

Jyothsna wrote:

Reserve panni vachirukkingala..

Yes yes. epdiyaavadhu third place kondu vandhuranum
From: Jyothsna on Wed Nov 11 10:48:06 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Jyothsna wrote:

Reserve panni vachirukkingala..

Yes yes. epdiyaavadhu third place kondu vandhuranum

i can understand.. Podama vittutomenu varuthama irukku, pracharam pandra alavukku samarthum illa
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 11:01:51 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Wow, 8 votes for kAdhal

Maddy, have you? I have not

not yet yaa
From: Nerd on Wed Nov 11 11:06:33 2009.

Vikatan vimarsanam for kAdhal

சினிமா விமரிசனம்
காதல்
�எளிமையே அனைத்திலும் சிறந்த அழகு!� என்பதை எடுத்துக்காட்டிய �காதல்� படக் குழுவுக்கு முதலில் ஒரு மலர்க்கொத்து!

பருவத்தில் சட்டென்று பூத்துவிடுகிற காதல், திசை தெரியாமல் தலை சாய்ப்பதால் காலா காலத்துக்கும் ஆறாத ரணமாகிவிடுகிற அதிர்ச்சியை பரபரவென ஒரு நியூஸ் சானல் பாணியில் பதிவாக்கியிருக்கிற இயக்குநர் பாலாஜி சக்திவேலுக்கு ஸ்பெஷல் பாராட்டுக்கள்.

மதுரையில், பள்ளிக்கூடம் போகிற யூனிஃபார்ம் கிளி சந்த்யா \ ஒயின் ஷாப், கட்டப் பஞ்சாயத்து என ஏரியா சண்டியராக வலம் வரும் அதிரடி குடும்பத்தின் செல்ல மகள். தெருவோர வொர்க் ஷாப் மெக்கானிக் பரத். கிழிந்த பனியனும் கிரீஸ் கறையுமாக அழுக்கனாகக் காட்சியளிக்கும் இவர் மீது ஆர்வமாகிறார் சந்த்யா. பரவசமாகிற பரத்தும், கஸ்டமர்களின் டூ வீலர்களில் சந்த்யாவின் ஸ்கூட்டியைப் பின் தொடர்கிறார். பார்வைப் பரிமாறல்கள், செல்லச் சிரிப்புகள், ரகசியச் சந்திப்புகள் என்று பயமறியாமல் பரவசமாகத் திரிகின்றன அந்த இளங்கன்றுகள்.

சந்த்யாவுக்கு, வீட்டில் அமெரிக்க ரிட்டர்ன் மாமன் மகனோடு கல்யாணம் பேசி நிச்சயிக் கிறார்கள். உடனே, காதல் ஜோடி ஊரை விட்டு ஓடி, சென்னையில் இருக்கும் மேன்ஷன் வாழ் நண்பனிடம் தஞ்சம் புகுகிறது. அடுக்குமாடிக் குடியிருப்புகளிலிருந்து ஆச்சரியமாக தலைகள் எட்டிப் பார்க்க... சாலையோரப் பிள்ளையார் கோயிலில் அவசரக் கல்யாணம்! மேன்ஷனில் இருக்கும் பிரம்மச்சாரிகள் படை தோள் கொடுக்க, ஒரு வாடகை வீட்டில் வாழ்க்கையின் துவக்கம்! ஓடிப்போனவர் களைத் தேடி வருகிற சந்த்யாவின் சித்தப்பா, நயமாகப் பேசி இருவரையும் மறுபடி மதுரைக்கே அழைத்துக் கொண்டு கிளம்புகிற திருப்பம்!

ஊர் எல்லையைத் தொட்டவுடன் காட்சிகள் மொத்தமாக மாறிவிட, ஒட்டுமொத்த சாதி சனம் சாட்சியாக பரத்தை அடித்துத் துவைத்துக் கிழித்து எறிகிறார் சந்த்யாவின் முரட்டு அப்பா. சந்த்யாவின் கையாலேயே அவரது தாலியையும் அறுத்தெறிய வைக்கிறார். �சில வருடங்களுக்குப் பிறகு�... திண்டுக்கல்லில் க்ளைமாக்ஸ�டன் முடிகிறது கதை.

�இவர்கள் இடத்தில் நாம் இருந்தால்?� என்று இளவட்டங்களையும், �இந்த இடத்தில் நம் பிள்ளைகள் இருந்துவிட் டால்?� என்று பெற்றவர்களையும் கடைசி வரை பதைபதைப்புடன் பார்க்க வைக்கும் வகையில் அட்டகாசமான திரைக்கதை, பாத்திரத் தேர்வுகள்!

நாயகன் பரத் தவிர, முக்கிய பாத்திரங்கள் அத்தனை பேரும் புதுசு. மதுரை மண்ணின் மனிதர் களையே வித்தியாசமாக உலவ விட்டிருக்கிறார்கள். கட்டப் பஞ்சாயத்துப் பார்ட்டி, ஒத்தைக் கை சித்தப்பா, சண்டைக்கோழி அப்பத்தா, பழனிக்கு பாத யாத்திரை போகும் நாயகனின் ஏழை அம்மா என ஒவ்வொரு காரெக்டரும் அச்சு அசலாக உருக்கி வார்க்கப் பட்டிருக்கிறார்கள்.

முக்கியமாக, கரட்டாண்டி யாக வரும் அந்த மெக்கானிக் ஷாப் குட்டிப் பையன். எண்ணெய் வழியும் தலையும், எல்லாம் தெரிந்தும் எதுவும் தெரியாத மாதிரி முழியுமாக படு அலட்சியமாக அந்தப் பயல் மதுரை பாஷையைக் கையாளும் நேர்த்தி இருக்கே... அடடா!

�படம் நெடுக யதார்த்தம் என்பதே உயிர் மூச்சு� என்பதை விஜய் மில்டனின் காமிராவும் புரிந்து பயணித்திருக்கிறது. வழக்கமான சினிமா வண்ணங்களைத் தவிர்த்துவிட்டு, வாழ்க்கையை அதன் உண்மை யான அழகோடும் இயல்பான நிறத்தோடும் பதிவு பண்ணி இருக்கிறார்.

சந்த்யா... �அட� போட வைக்கிற புது ஹீரோயின். பட்டாம்பூச்சியாக பரத்மீது காதலுடன் திரியும்போதும் க்ளைமாக்ஸில் உடைந்து நொறுங்கும்போதும்... பிரமிக்க வைக்கும் வித்தியாசம் காட்டுகிறார். முதல் படத் திலேயே அழுத்தமான முத்திரை!

மூக்கின் மேல் நிற்கிற கோபமும், அப்பாவித்தனமும், வாழ்க்கை பற்றிய பயமுமாகக் கலந்து கட்டி �பச்சக்�கென்று மனசில் ஒட்டிக்கொள்கிறார் பரத். �டிபிகல்� மெக்கானிக்காக ஓரமாகச் சாய்ந்தபடி அவர் டூ வீலர் ஓட்டி வருகிற நயமே போதும்.

இசையும் புத்தம் புதுசு... ஜோஷ்வா ஸ்ரீதர். �தண்டட்டி கருப்பாயி� பாட்டில் பொளக் கிறார் மனிதர். புதிய தலைமுறைப் பாடலாசிரியர்களில் நா.முத்துக்குமார் முந்த ஆரம்பித்திருக்கிறார். �தொட்டுத்தொட்டு என்னை� உள்பட இவரது பாடல் வரிகள் அனைத்திலும் தமிழின் சுகமான ஆட்டம்!

படத்தின் ஒரே பலவீனம்... க்ளைமாக்ஸ்! சொல்ல வந்த சோகம் முழுமையாக நம் மனதைத் தாக்கவில்லை. அதுவரை தொடர்ந்து வந்த இயல்புக்கு சற்றே மீறலாக வரும் அதிகப்படியான கதறல் காட்சியும், அந்த பின்னிரவுச் சூழலின் மிகைத்தன்மையும், படக்கென்று திரை இருட்டும்போது, �மொத்தமே அவ்ளதானா?� என்று எழுகிற சின்னதொரு ஏமாற்றமுமாகச் சேர்ந்து, ஒருவித உறுத்தலை ஏற்படுத்துவதுதான் மைனஸ். இன்னும் சற்று கவனம் சேர்த்துக் காட்சிப் படுத்தியிருக்கலாம்.

ஏதோ ஒரு ஊரில், யாரோ இருவருக்குள் நடந்த ஒரு நெகிழ்வான நிஜ அனுபவத்தை, அவர்களுக்கே தெரியாமல் பதிவு செய்த உணர்வை உண்டாக்கிய இந்தப் படைப்பு... தமிழ் சினிமாவின் எதிர்காலம்பற்றி நிறையவே நம்பிக்கையூட்டுகிறது!
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 11:13:28 2009.

cool review ......but as equa had put it earlier, goes by what a viewer sees and not dissecting the film from a makers' perspective.........kood kood, idhellam padichhu voters thelivaagidanum-nnu kaettu kolgiren

endha fans-um illama, endha propaganda-vum illama - Kannathil Muthamittal is in joint 3rd place - to me this is the biggest success story of this poll
From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 11:23:07 2009.

MADDY wrote:

endha fans-um illama, endha propaganda-vum illama - Kannathil Muthamittal is in joint 3rd place - to me this is the biggest success story of this poll

I agree to this hundred percent.
From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 11:24:27 2009.

First time Virumaandi is the clear leader. Before it was either Anbe Sivam or joint leader with Virumaandi.
From: Jyothsna on Wed Nov 11 11:36:39 2009.

MADDY wrote:

......but as equa had put it earlier, goes by what a viewer sees and not dissecting the film from a makers' perspective.........

Sila posts partha ,appadi onnum theriyalaye. Aana Kadhal movie poruthavarai intha mathiri kudalaaperassion ellam kuda thevai illai. Antha kathaiyai ithai vida azhuthama,puriyara mathiri sollamudiyathu.

Quote:

endha fans-um illama, endha propaganda-vum illama - Kannathil Muthamittal is in joint 3rd place - to me this is the biggest success story of this poll
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 11:51:15 2009.

Quote:

personally i feel v shud encourage sci-fi films like Udaya, Vyaapari..

idhellAm enna padam - sci-fi?
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 11:55:29 2009.

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and the propaganda that could have been avoided and simply substituted with newspaper cuttings that proclaim the point instead of a viruman in a TV news room

Ah! That's where the subversion is. I think there was no intention to propoganda at all! As I explained, Viruman in the TV news room is very important to the movie. In retrospect, the very fact that newspaper cutttings wasnt put should have given us a hint - for instance, recently Arun Vaidya's Achamillai Achamaillai was broadly criticised for the newspaper cuttings and statistics at the end, when it seemed more like a thriller using child abuse as a pivot than a propoganda against child abuse. I think Kamal was very conscious about why he ended with the TV interview. More people come with specific criticism, the more I am getting hints that I am right here.

Viruman in TV room has a layer I believe. I dont even sarakaadichufy so I daresay I am not imagining things here.

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 11:56:32 2009.

Jyothsna wrote:

Sila posts partha ,appadi onnum theriyalaye. Aana Kadhal movie poruthavarai intha mathiri kudalaaperassion ellam kuda thevai illai. Antha kathaiyai ithai vida azhuthama,puriyara mathiri sollamudiyathu

no, i meant the review of Anandha vikatan, it didnt dissect the movie as it should have been......

From: app_engine on Wed Nov 11 12:03:19 2009.

MADDY wrote:

endha fans-um illama, endha propaganda-vum illama - Kannathil Muthamittal is in joint 3rd place - to me this is the biggest success story of this poll

Only ARR movie, only MR movie & there are a # of hubbers who vouch for these two.

Obviously only genuine non-bias votes are those of kAdhal (for e.g., I had to choose between my five choices and bias ruled the vote )
From: Aalavanthan on Wed Nov 11 12:04:16 2009.

I guess we were restricted to discuss only the comedy movies from Kamal. Looks like we have missed a whole other picture called "Imsai arasan 23m Pulikesi".

Any takers for this movie on contention with PKS, PT on the stream of comedy ? Well, I would.

It must have taken a whole lot of guts for Shankar to produce such a film like Imsai with the debutant director and an almost debutant hero in the form of Vadivelu.

For me, the movie though had the nth century story, the connection with the ongoing crisis in India and all our "kovam" on the society was neatly portrayed in the climax with the list of laws passed.

Not sure whether this movie was discussed in the previous pages but thhought this attempt should be a part of this decade thread !

Cheers
From: app_engine on Wed Nov 11 12:06:23 2009.

Aalavanthan
imsai was on my nomination list but didn't have enough promoters to make it to the last ten.

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 12:13:45 2009.

(reminded me of Rekha's teacher character in Kadalora kavidhaigal in some aspects)

muradanai thiruthing etc dhaan solreengannu budhdhikku puriyudhu. But still I had to register the initial jolt from reading the comparative mention

same, same.

Actually, I wanted to talk about the annalakshmi-virumandi relationship as the most important peg of the movie(that's almost obvious, except that many people still seem to believe that anti-capital-punishment ipropoganda s the main point of the movie)

It is a familiar trope - the educated, well-to-do girl inexplicably falling in love with the irredeemable ruffian. Yet, you never feel it while watching the movie.

Atleast, to me, it seemed inevitable that annalakshmi falls for Viruman. Several things at play here - viruman's need for his grandma replacement, annalakshmi's educated outlook distancing her from her own ruthless murderous indecent kin, and attracting her to one of the ruffians, albeit, innocent and 'protection-worthy'.

It is actually Annalakshmi who protects Viruman from the rest of the world, and empowers him to face the world and its duplicity. That is the keynote of her love for Viruman.

I dont even think she wants to 'correct' him (in either meaning of the word, the English meaning and the local chennai meaning!). She wants to 'protect' him - and that is the basis for the relationship from her side. And this is why the final TV interview is very important. Annalakshmi was not the protected but the protector of Virumandi, and I dont think he realises that until he faces having to live the rest of his life as against an expected death. I dont remember exactly but I think some dialogues do bring out that his grouse until that point is that he "was not able to protect Annalakshmi". The TV interview displays this new virumandi to us, almost cocksure as ever, but with the wisdom of age and experience, and the emptiness of realisation. He has stoically accepted his lot, which is why he is sharing his grief publicly now. Contrast this viruman with the viruman we see in the beginning giving another interview - cynical, fierce and insensitive. I mean, there is some symmetry there and I refuse to believe that that was accidental. Prabhu Ram, I agree whole heartedly with you when you say we can read between the lines thus for Kamal. The very symmetry is a clue there. It is like he is not only placing those sub-texts but is also placing clues for you to decipher the sub-text first, and verify it once you identify the clue!

And for Viruman, she is the grandma replacement. My reading is that she remains just that for him until long after she is gone, he realises that she was much more, for the grandma, while being equally a protector for Virumandi, had absolutely no power over him. Annalakshmi wielded that power. The difference between the mourning over the grandma and the Annalakshmi comes from this.

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 12:18:40 2009.

app_engine wrote:

endha fans-um illama, endha propaganda-vum illama - Kannathil Muthamittal is in joint 3rd place - to me this is the biggest success story of this poll Clap

Only ARR movie, only MR movie & there are a # of hubbers who vouch for these two

neenga TFM page mould-laye pesrureenga.....here people appreciate IR/ARR equally if not more for IR

......also, i dont think there are Mani specific fans here......irundhaanganna PM pannungappa, naa oruthhane evalavu naalu dhaan kodi pudikkradhu

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 12:19:18 2009.

......but as equa had put it earlier, goes by what a viewer sees and not dissecting the film from a makers' perspective.........kood kood, idhellam padichhu voters thelivaagidanum-nnu kaettu kolgiren Very Happy

cool review Cool

endha fans-um illama, endha propaganda-vum illama - Kannathil Muthamittal is in joint 3rd place - to me this is the biggest success story of this poll Clap

ada prachaaram paarthu yaarunga vote pOdara. ovvoruthan(r)um oru mudivOda dhAna threadkuLLAra nuzhaiyarAn(r)

From: Aalavanthan on Wed Nov 11 12:23:53 2009.

app_engine wrote:

Aalavanthan
imsai was on my nomination list but didn't have enough promoters to make it to the last ten.

Well this cant be classified as the movie of the decade, but atleast can be put under the stream of "comedy movie of the decade".

But for Vadivelu and Simbudevan's comical dialogues and the previous success of Kaadhal for S pictures, the movie wouldnt have been a successful one.

The contenders here are strong for the movie of the decade, and Imsai lacked in the areas of music, story etc.

But a double for Vadivelu. I wish he could have negotiated for casting in simbu's latest IKMSingam which Lawrence has bagged. Apparently, VV has raised his salary stack to 10L at the moment for a day's call sheet, I was told. Guess, only Red Giant could afford it now
From: Aalavanthan on Wed Nov 11 12:34:18 2009.

MADDY wrote:

also, i dont think there are Mani specific fans here......irundhaanganna PM pannungappa, naa oruthhane evalavu naalu dhaan kodi pudikkradhu

Public-aavae solraengo.. me Mani's kulir visiri

One interesting info on Kannathil M - Mani had taken a scene with Madhavan and Keerthana with the backdrop of Sri lankan war briefing about the war situation down under. But was later edited by Mani himself, justfying why a 9 yr old should know such information !

This particular scene had a very good backdrop with choppers and tanks in the backgrounds.
From: kid-glove on Wed Nov 11 12:50:03 2009.

And it should be apparent Virumandi is an intense feminist film.
From: jaiganes on Wed Nov 11 12:56:26 2009.

Plum wrote:

I dont even sarakaadichufy so I daresay I am not imagining things here.

biladi - who said sarakku adichifying and imagining things go hand in hand - My normal state is a mild hallucination(thanks to Raasappu) and my only fear of alcohol and substances is that they might stop me from hallucinating clearly.
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 12:58:20 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

Public-aavae solraengo.. me Mani's kulir visiri

pinna KM-kku vote podungo ...JK

thanks for the info abt KM
From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 13:01:37 2009.

Lovely posts Plum.

Indha non-frivolous pen-aiyum adikkadi wieldunga.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 13:02:57 2009.

neenga TFM page mould-laye pesrureenga.....here people appreciate IR/ARR equally if not more for IR Razz

......also, i dont think there are Mani specific fans here......irundhaanganna PM pannungappa, naa oruthhane evalavu naalu dhaan kodi pudikkradhu Evil or Very Mad

Manirathnam is the most underrated film personality in this hub because people here think he is way overrated. I will definitely support Mani Rathnam even though I am not a big fan of him.

From: P_R on Wed Nov 11 13:13:05 2009.

MADDY wrote:

......also, i dont think there are Mani specific fans here......irundhaanganna PM pannungappa, naa oruthhane evalavu naalu dhaan kodi pudikkradhu

engaLai ellAm dhaan neenga sErthukka maatteengaLE

From: jaiganes on Wed Nov 11 13:18:08 2009.

neenga TFM page mould-laye pesrureenga.....here people appreciate IR/ARR equally if not more for IR Razz

......also, i dont think there are Mani specific fans here......irundhaanganna PM pannungappa, naa oruthhane evalavu naalu dhaan kodi pudikkradhu Evil or Very Mad

Manirathnam is the most underrated film personality in this hub because people here think he is way overrated. I will definitely support Mani Rathnam even though I am not a big fan of him.

I dont think ppl rate him down when it comes to 'who is the best director' - i think the problem comes when discussing the recent outputs. He is totally distracted between hindi and tamil assignments and hence other directors have come to prominence and that should no way diminish his standing as a luminary among tamil directors. I have always held that 90s were saved only by Mani and Kamal. If not for them - we would have had no watershed movies to inspire the current lot of directors.
Now we have completely varied set of voices adding more colour thats all. In between it feels funny that Maddy always feels left out in trying to campaign for mani and ARR in the hub - 'Suryanukke torchaa' maadhiri irukku.
Naangallam mouna raagathayum, nayaganayum, Rosavayum Iruvarayum paathadhukku kanakke illai. sinna sinna misunderstanding irundhaalum avar thalai ngradhula yaarukkume douttu illai.

From: equanimus on Wed Nov 11 13:18:10 2009.

adhu ennavo therla, enna mAyamO therla, MADDY kaNNukku nAngallAm Mani sir fans 'AvE theriyuRadhilla.
From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 13:30:17 2009.

After the "heated" MGR-sivaji thread that ruled the hub for close to 10 days, now this thread remba thrilling-uhh pogudhu...

I thought "thaai kulam" matrum "faemily" members adharavaal, Nalla Sivam will end up with a landslide win... But PR/Equa/Bala pondra vargalin balatha campaign-aal Viru-vai mudhal idharthirku kondu sendru vitaargal... Indha hub-liye "Naan Kadavul"-ukku single vote-u potta Jaiganes kooda "deposit" gaale avadhu urudhi enbadhaal, future kootani vechukalamnu appo appo "Viru"-ukku "side campaign" panraar!

Nerd/Maddy/LM matrum "Kadhal" katchi urupinargale,
Kamaan yaa... Campaign panungappu campaign pannunga...

"Kannathil Muthamithaal"-ukku, indha pakkamum illaamal, andha pakamum illamaal, manam nondhu poi kuzhambiyavargalin anudhaaba vote-E vizhugiradhu...
From: littlemaster1982 on Wed Nov 11 13:34:57 2009.

MC,

What happened to that Ch-28 debate

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 13:36:54 2009.

neenga TFM page mould-laye pesrureenga.....here people appreciate IR/ARR equally if not more for IR Razz

......also, i dont think there are Mani specific fans here......irundhaanganna PM pannungappa, naa oruthhane evalavu naalu dhaan kodi pudikkradhu Evil or Very Mad

Manirathnam is the most underrated film personality in this hub because people here think he is way overrated. I will definitely support Mani Rathnam even though I am not a big fan of him.

From: kid-glove on Wed Nov 11 13:38:34 2009.

I haven't seen/read "Sani Ratnam" for years now.
From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 13:45:57 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

MC,

What happened to that Ch-28 debate

Paravailleye, nyabagam vechurukeengale...

LM, personally, I liked SuPu, PV better than Ch-28...

Ch-28:

1. to me it's a one time athc movie only... I don;t think I can watch it again... Mudha oru mani neram padathula enna nadakudhunu puriyallee... i.e. there is no central subject... It looked like a vide cam docuemntary for most part... I like this genre but whne it comes to these kinda films I raise my br so high that I can't stand unneccessary deviations like lou scenes songs etc...

2. PV is a start to finish movie, very intense, more like a character study... there is no wannabe scenes... SuPu is a sort of a gangster kinda movie in a small rural setting... Even SuPu had lou scenes but it didn't looked forced... And there was purpose to it in the climax...You could feel the impact of these movies even few days after seeing it... I can see revist these movies quite a few times...

Ch-28 is a good movie, a pretty good effort but edho "miss" anna madhiri oru feeling... I won't put it in the same league as SuPu or PV...
From: venkkiram on Wed Nov 11 13:48:32 2009.

சேரனின் ஆட்டொகிராஃப், தவமாய் தவமிருந்து படங்களும் பட்டியலில் இடம் பெற வேண்டியவை. இதை எப்படி மறந்தீங்கன்னு புரியல.

முக்கியமா த.தவமிருந்து.

பட்டியலை பார்க்கும்போது, கொஞ்சம் பாரபட்சமாகவே தேர்வுக்குழு இருந்ததாகத் தெரிகிறது.
From: littlemaster1982 on Wed Nov 11 13:50:19 2009.

I was bored even during the first watch of PV Except for that climax, it's an average film for me.
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 13:55:34 2009.

P-R, non-frivolous pen theeni kEtkudhu.virumanai cud-chew paNNinadhula, it got theeni. Much as I love fatherson and appeciate I god, they simply don't provide this much food fo thought. While it is easy to dismiss this as viruman appealed to the intellect, and the others to heart, interestingly the cud chewing on viruman was on heart and relationships and the workings of the mind.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 13:55:46 2009.

சேரனின் ஆட்டொகிராஃப், தவமாய் தவமிருந்து படங்களும் பட்டியலில் இடம் பெற வேண்டியவை. இதை எப்படி மறந்தீங்கன்னு புரியல.

முக்கியமா த.தவமிருந்து.

பட்டியலை பார்க்கும்போது, கொஞ்சம் பாரபட்சமாகவே தேர்வுக்குழு இருந்ததாகத் தெரிகிறது.

thavamai thavamirundhu atleast deserves nomination for sure.

From: thamiz on Wed Nov 11 13:56:14 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

I was bored even during the first watch of PV Except for that climax, it's an average film for me.

Which PV you are talking about?
From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 13:57:43 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

I was bored even during the first watch of PV Except for that climax, it's an average film for me.

I can understand that... Even some of my friends hated PV...

I felt that Ch-28 would have been a even better movie if they could have trimmed some unneccessary fittings and made it a much more "fat free" movie, as actor/diretcor Ramesh Arvind would put it...

Talking about sports pilims, recently saw Rani Mukherjee starrer "Dil Bole Hadippa" It was a much entertaining movie (unintentionally) compared to Ch-28 for all the wrong reasons!

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 13:59:45 2009.

"Thavamai Thavam Irundhu" deserves a place in top 10 (relative to the likes of Anjathey, Ch-28) etc...

From: app_engine on Wed Nov 11 14:00:27 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

I was bored even during the first watch of PV

Me too. Lot of FF'ing.

However, both Karthi & Priyamani were quite impressive (rather fantastic in a number of scenes).

Movie as a whole pales in comparison to VirumANdi which had a somewhat similar main character (and his girl) but with a lot more interesting things packed

From: thamiz on Wed Nov 11 14:03:26 2009.

ஒரிஜினல் தமிழ் மூவியெல்லாம் இங்கே ஆவுறதில்ல. கொஞ்சமாவது வெஸ்டெர்னை காப்பியடிச்ச்த்தான் நம்மாளுகளுக்கு இம்ப்ரெஸ்ஸிவா இருக்கும்

நீங்க கவலைப்படாதீங்க, மொத்தம் ஒரு 100 பேர் கூட ஓட்டுப்போடமாட்டாங்க!

From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 14:05:29 2009.

Movie poliskaar,fat-free movie kEkkuravaru rani mukherjee padam paarthirukkeenga?
From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 14:07:49 2009.

Plum wrote:

Movie poliskaar,fat-free movie kEkkuravaru rani mukherjee padam paarthirukkeenga?

Fat free depends on the food item-nga... Salad-le cheese thoovuvadharkum, mexican food-la cheese thoovuvadharkum vithyasam irukku ille?
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 14:21:01 2009.

venkkiram and others, the movies in poll were decided after counting the no. of nominations each movie received for 3 days.......i think the list is very fair reflecting frequent hubbers choice and not any particular groups' bias.....i too would have loved to see ayidha ezhuthu or Azhagi or kanchivaram instead of subramaniapuram - makkal theerpu makesan ..... etc etc

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 14:24:39 2009.

venkkiram and others, the movies in poll were decided after counting the no. of nominations each movie received for 3 days.......i think the list is very fair reflecting frequent hubbers choice and not any particular groups' bias.....i too would have loved to see ayidha ezhuthu or Azhagi or kanchivaram instead of subramaniapuram - makkal theerpu makesan ..... etc etc Smile

Cycle gap-la kadaa vetreenga saar!

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 14:30:22 2009.

engaLai ellAm dhaan neenga sErthukka maatteengaLE

......also, i dont think there are Mani specific fans here......irundhaanganna PM pannungappa, naa oruthhane evalavu naalu dhaan kodi pudikkradhu Evil or Very Mad

KM-kku vote poettal, "all "Milky way" maniratnam fan club" urupinar attai fed-ex* seiyya padum

*charge free

equa, ayyo ungala naa sollave illa......neenga ISI mark kuthhina Maniratnam fan

Jai, nah, by rahman's grace, there is a solid fan base for him wherever he goes......whereas for Mani, apart from Equa, i dont see much support......the way he can winzip words into visuals - its tremendous - he still needs to get his due here

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 14:31:58 2009.

i didnt like the movie at all - i have told this umpteen times......innoru dharava sonna - P_R vandhu "we got ur point, lets move on"-nnu solra alavukku solliyaachu

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 14:35:20 2009.

We normally call it is cycle gap-la lorrya nuzhaikka paarkkireenga.

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 14:37:05 2009.

i didnt like the movie at all - i have told this umpteen times......innoru dharava sonna - P_R vandhu "we got ur point, lets move on"-nnu solra alavukku solliyaachu Laughing

j/k Maddy...

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 14:40:40 2009.

We normally call it is cycle gap-la lorrya nuzhaikka paarkkireenga.

In Chennai, I remember, we used to say "cycle gap-la auto votureenga"... Nowadays. cycle gap-la "________" where
"________ " has become a local variable...

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 14:49:20 2009.

We normally call it is cycle gap-la lorrya nuzhaikka paarkkireenga.

In Chennai, I remember, we used to say "cycle gap-la auto votureenga"... Nowadays. cycle gap-la "________" where
"________ " has become a local variable...

Sab chalta hai. Everything is okay.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 14:52:59 2009.

I was shocked to know when no one voted for Subramaniapuram. But here there is a lobby not to include that. Anyway I loved that movie. Everything was so good. Madurai settings, Madurai Slang, Screenplay. Excellent movie in IMHO. Best movie of that year, it was released.

From: VinodKumar's on Wed Nov 11 15:01:07 2009.

I was shocked to know when no one voted for Subramaniapuram. But here there is a lobby not to include that. Anyway I loved that movie. Everything was so good. Madurai settings, Madurai Slang, Screenplay. Excellent movie in IMHO. Best movie of that year, it was released.

appuram yean athuku vote podala

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 15:23:06 2009.

Good question. Unfortunately I can select only one movie. I thought it was Anbe Sivam for this decade.

From: VinodKumar's on Wed Nov 11 15:24:40 2009.

Good question. Unfortunately I can select only one movie. I thought it was Anbe Sivam for this decade.

ippo mudivu mariruchaa

From: jaiganes on Wed Nov 11 15:24:58 2009.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 15:28:07 2009.

Good question. Unfortunately I can select only one movie. I thought it was Anbe Sivam for this decade.

ippo mudivu mariruchaa Wink

Not really. It is all very close call.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 15:29:13 2009.

No big deal. All movies listed here are winners in its own way.

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 15:40:52 2009.

No big deal. All movies listed here are winners in its own way.

Indha "best"-gradhe relative thaanga... What may be "best" today may not be best tomorrow even within the same lot... Tastes change... Sama kaalathulla vandha 3-4 padangala compare pannina ellathilyum pros/cons irrukum... Adhunalle "best"-nugradhe term-uhh remba serious-uhh edhuthuka koodathu!

Oru "bit"-uhh pottu vekarein in case if Viru looses out!

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 15:45:15 2009.

No big deal. All movies listed here are winners in its own way.

Oru "bit"-uhh pottu vekarein in case if Viru looses out! Embarassed

The only problem with Virumaandi for me it was so dark and so violent. I can't watch that movie time and again because of that. I wish kamal could have underplayed the violence little bit on that movie. Kavalaippadatheenga Virumaandi thoththa kooda Anbe Sivam Stronga rendaavathu idaththila irukkar.

From: MrIndia on Wed Nov 11 15:45:35 2009.

virumandi is easily the best technically/commercially...

From: jaiganes on Wed Nov 11 15:47:26 2009.

No big deal. All movies listed here are winners in its own way.

Oru "bit"-uhh pottu vekarein in case if Viru looses out! Embarassed

namakellaam meesaye illai - mannu otta chance a illai boss.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 11 15:54:07 2009.

Good question. Unfortunately I can select only one movie. I thought it was Anbe Sivam for this decade.

ippo mudivu mariruchaa Wink

One more reason I voted for Anbe Sivam was, I always had soft corners for Kamal's failed experiementation. Padam thaan Odala atleast best movie'yaachchum aagattum. Then only people will realize that it should have run. For example I heard that Hey Ram almost got best director and best movie in the national awards. It was very pathetic that the movie of that caliber did not get appreciated by people and critics as well. If Kamal had won the national award for direction on that movie, it would have given him some consolation as well as Kamal would have become only artist who had won both best actor and best director awards.

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 16:22:46 2009.

Talking about Viru & capital punishment, I mis"bing"-ed my way into a National award winning Tamil feature film "Ooruku Nooruper" (2001) from NFDC. Apparently, the director of this film won the National award for it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ooruku_Nooruper
From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 11 16:28:52 2009.

National award (Indian oscar) winning directors list-le rende rendu Tamil film directors thaan - Agathiyan (1997) & B.Lenin (2002)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Directing

Expectedly, the National awards for diretcors is dominated by the likes of Sathyajit Ray's (Bengali) & Adoor Gopalakrishnan's (Malayalam).

Namooru "pista"-kalaana Mani Rathinam, Balu Mahendra, K. Balachandar, Bharathiraja-vellam list-leye illa!
From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 21:33:30 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

Namooru "pista"-kalaana Mani Rathinam, Balu Mahendra, K. Balachandar, Bharathiraja-vellam list-leye illa!
Neenga veera, acting category-ila NT-ye illa
From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 21:37:24 2009.

maddy, dont judge a book by its cover. dont judge an artiste's popularity from some who are vocal. there is this silent majority who actually determines this.

adiyenum oru maniratnam fan thaan... and have actually mentioned KM along with AS and Vir as my choices right at the beginning of this poll.

From: joe on Wed Nov 11 22:26:11 2009.

Namooru "pista"-kalaana Mani Rathinam, Balu Mahendra, K. Balachandar, Bharathiraja-vellam list-leye illa! Embarassed

Neenga veera, acting category-ila NT-ye illa Laughing

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 22:33:02 2009.

maddy, dont judge a book by its cover. dont judge an artiste's popularity from some who are vocal. there is this silent majority who actually determines this.

adiyenum oru maniratnam fan thaan... and have actually mentioned KM along with AS and Vir as my choices right at the beginning of this poll.

ofcourse, many people are Mani fans - atleast thats what i think.....but would they vote for him ahead of others - adhaan prachannai

.......also, when there is arguement on his capabilities - i dont see much resistance

anyways, Nerd will be livid at my distractions

......vote for Kadhal

From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 22:36:54 2009.

I am a fan of only some of Mani's films. Post 2000, nothing except AE impressed me. KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance, the kid was fine but her role was overwritten, Madhavan was nice but he had nothing much to do except give paternal love and get mad at things....only saviour is the music and fantastic cinematography. PJ's version of Nenji Jil Jil is haunting...(though the cut and paste job on his vocal can be really glaring). My 2 cents, Maddy.
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 22:43:39 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

I am a fan of only some of Mani's films

neenga idhu sonnadhe periya vishayam......
From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 22:53:23 2009.

looks like the race is going to be neck-to-neck.
From: Plum on Wed Nov 11 23:07:18 2009.

I think the problem is that even maniathnam fans here don't acknowledge most of his latter day films
I was a maddy-like fan of 'munirathnam' until anjali(incluuding anjali). Thalapathy was the beginning of the doubts. Roja, for obvious reasons , created a rift. Since then, it has been rarely a click with his movies. I think dil se(not uyirae) was the last one that really stuck a chord...
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 23:25:56 2009.

Plum wrote:

I think the problem is that even maniathnam fans here don't acknowledge most of his latter day films

Gilli prakashraj: adhellam nee eppadi sollalaam?? solla koodaadhu

nah, thiruda thiruda was unimpressive, Bombay was unimpressive in parts and Ayidha ezhuthu didnt have the punch......Guru was very a safe movie - but had mani touch.......Roja, Uyire, Iruvar, Alaipauthey, KM were really good......

i think Mani's departure away from IR was the first blow and then his departure to national themes (indhi vaadai) is another blow to watever following he had......there is a "upper class" dynamics in his films which works "for" and "against" him......nowadays, "upper class" audience are a nuisance to any creator......
From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 23:34:00 2009.

on the contrary, I think Mani has grown better from film to film, with KM being one of his very best.

but to be honest I didnt enjoy Uyire and also didnt bother to watch Guru.
From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 23:42:45 2009.

NOV wrote:

on the contrary, I think Mani has grown better from film to film
...
NOV wrote:

but to be honest I didnt enjoy Uyire and also didnt bother to watch Guru.
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 11 23:51:08 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

Namooru "pista"-kalaana Mani Rathinam, Balu Mahendra, K. Balachandar, Bharathiraja-vellam list-leye illa!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nargis_Dutt_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_on_National_Integration

Maniratnam has 2 NA for best feature film on national integration(India) - roja, bombay.......national awards-a arbitrary-a dismiss panna vasadhiya irukkum ...
From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 23:53:24 2009.

rakesh, just becos I didnt enjoy, it wont make the film bad.
From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 11 23:54:49 2009.

NOV wrote:

rakesh, just becos I didnt enjoy, it wont make the film bad.
You mean they were good films you didn't enjoy?
From: NOV on Wed Nov 11 23:58:37 2009.

I didnt enjoy Uyire becos of the Hindi vaadai and didnt bother watching Guru for the same reason... nothing to do with the quality of the films.

since we are in confession mode, please admit that your disdain for KM is becos of your dislike for Simran.
From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 0:01:10 2009.

pEsittirukkum pOdhE innoru vote 4 AS
From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 0:03:51 2009.

NOV wrote:

since we are in confession mode, please admit that your disdain for KM is becos of your dislike of Simran.
I don't dislike Simran, not that she put lizard in my sOttru paanai or something. She's just not a good actress in my book, hardly bothered to use her own voice for her performance and for years been running on iduppu ticket as did Ramba and her pair of thighs. She's only half an actress unless she's playing a mute. Also, she's not the only reason. I gave the reasons in previous page, even Madhavan I don't find so interesting in this film. I don't even see why he was in it in the first place, it could have been done by any other sub-par artistes, maybe also with borrowed voice so that it can balance out Simran's performance. Nah...the film has its moments...i.e. the cinematography and most importantly the music. Avalavuthan.
From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 0:07:29 2009.

spelling! spelling!
From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 0:09:45 2009.

naa mattum confess panninaa eppadi? thats not fair.
From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 0:10:27 2009.

no 1 : sOttru paanai

no 2: most importantly, the music-nu solla vanthen.

Thanks for proofreading.
From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 0:17:19 2009.

some words just jump out for attention.

and there is an "edit" button in each post you know.

You know something, I am not really looking fwd to Ravana
From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 0:20:19 2009.

NOV wrote:

seriously sridhar, are you serious?

aamaa... yen? Those movies were ofcourse entertaining and I really enjoyed.

Yen oru masala movie decade-la best-a irruka koodadha?!

Chennai -28 yenna class movie-a? Come on...
From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 0:22:33 2009.

Right, done NOV. Thanks.
From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 0:25:40 2009.

sridhar, would you like Ghilli to represent Tamil films in the International front, as the Best Tamil film of the decade?
From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 0:32:49 2009.

NOV wrote:

sridhar, would you like Ghilli to represent Tamil films in the International front, as the Best Tamil film of the decade?

Ahead of Virumandi, Anbe Sivam, Kannathil Muthamittal strictly no, that would be ridiculous.

But surely ahead of Chennai 28, Subramaniapuram etc...
From: jaiganes on Thu Nov 12 0:34:45 2009.

NOV wrote:

sridhar, would you like Ghilli to represent Tamil films in the International front, as the Best Tamil film of the decade?

I would send thiruppaachi instead.
If we have decided to send ****, why not original ****?

that sick joke apart, Mani's films started striking the wrong notes for me since bombay. Very very pseudo things were there and the trend continues till now and GURU is the capstone of pseudoism in Mani's movies. Aayudha ezuthu had some moments, but that free flowing ' nallavara kettavaraa ' mani is missing. i hopre to see him in ravana.
From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 0:36:59 2009.

19thmay wrote:

Ahead of Virumandi, Anbe Sivam, Kannathil Muthamittal strictly no, that would be ridiculous.
ok good.
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 0:41:35 2009.

Enakku Ravana will be much better than Kuru nu patchi solludhu

From: Movie Cop on Thu Nov 12 1:07:11 2009.

sridhar, would you like Ghilli to represent Tamil films in the International front, as the Best Tamil film of the decade?

I would send thiruppaachi instead.
If we have decided to send ****, why not original ****?

that sick joke apart, Mani's films started striking the wrong notes for me since bombay. Very very pseudo things were there and the trend continues till now and GURU is the capstone of pseudoism in Mani's movies. Aayudha ezuthu had some moments, but that free flowing ' nallavara kettavaraa ' mani is missing. i hopre to see him in ravana.

What about Iruvar? Not impressed with that too?

From: VinodKumar's on Thu Nov 12 1:11:03 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

no 1 : sOttru paanai

no 2: most importantly, the music-nu solla vanthen.

Thanks for proofreading.

naanum first thirumba thirumba padichu pathaen seri yetho simran mela irruka kadupula adichitingalonu poitaen

From: Movie Cop on Thu Nov 12 1:18:23 2009.

Namooru "pista"-kalaana Mani Rathinam, Balu Mahendra, K. Balachandar, Bharathiraja-vellam list-leye illa! Embarassed

Neenga veera, acting category-ila NT-ye illa Laughing

Regardless of whatever the reason could be, an actor of NT's calibre/brilliance not winning a national award is surely a shame for the National awards!

If I'm not wrong, I don't think even Dilip Kumar won a national award for acting either (folks can correct me if I'm wrong)... The National award committee guys are really crazy... Their yardstick for measuring good cinema is very different and inexplicably weird!

For years and years, the awards were primarily sweeped by Bengali and Malayalam films.

During college days, we used to share a joke among our circle of friends... National award pilims oda quintessentials:

1. Padathula mudhal 15 nimutes no dialaaks. Adhuku appurama dialaaks vandhaalum remba alavaa varanum....
2. Padam 2 hrs mela duration irrukakoodathu....
3. Padathula motham 4-5 characters mela irrukakoodathu...
4. Padam remba slow-uhh poganum... Adhavadhu oru character kaalai-la endhirichu, pal vellaki, shaving panni, kulichu, dress change panni, veeta vittu kelambura scene oru 15-20 nimutes aavadhu oadanum..
5. Padam odikitte irrukum bodhu sudden-uhh "the end"-nu pottu padatha sharp-uhh mudhichiranum...

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 1:19:39 2009.

19thmay wrote:

Chennai -28 yenna class movie-a? Come on...

did u see how scenes were naturally choreographed - as bala annan said once - the scene where nithin sathya comes to hit mirchi siva(after he comes to know abt his sister's love), even the background characters do some actions and are not staring at the central characters........if u watch most movies, directors dont give attention to background characters....

movie impressively did away with all cliches - tell me how many sport movies would have protaganist team losing in finals?? loving friend's sister is a tricky, "podhumda machan" topic for chennai youth but film cleverly deals with it.....and the urban mileu it talks about is breathtakingly real - the grounds, tennis ball matches, losing to young boys team, comedy in sad situations - this movie is about real life characters not a dumb super hero movie with hero jumping from Mars to saturn.......

first of all multiple characters, threads-a vechhu evalavu thamizh padam vaurudhu?? who has the ability to create so many threads, remember the characterisation for each and give a common "acceptable" ground for each character?? chennai-28 is a classic in my books

From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 1:31:20 2009.

During college days, we used to share a joke among our circle of friends... National award pilims oda quintessentials:

1. Padathula mudhal 15 nimutes no dialaaks. Adhuku appurama dialaaks vandhaalum remba alavaa varanum....
2. Padam 2 hrs mela duration irrukakoodathu....
3. Padathula motham 4-5 characters mela irrukakoodathu...
4. Padam remba slow-uhh poganum... Adhavadhu oru character kaalai-la endhirichu, pal vellaki, shaving panni, kulichu, dress change panni, veeta vittu kelambura scene oru 15-20 nimutes aavadhu oadanum..
5. Padam odikitte irrukum bodhu sudden-uhh "the end"-nu pottu padatha sharp-uhh mudhichiranum... Laughing

Athe, athe!

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 1:38:23 2009.

Chennai -28 yenna class movie-a? Come on...

did u see how scenes were naturally choreographed - as bala annan said once - the scene where nithin sathya comes to hit mirchi siva(after he comes to know abt his sister's love), even the background characters do some actions and are not staring at the central characters........if u watch most movies, directors dont give attention to background characters....

movie impressively did away with all cliches - tell me how many sport movies would have protaganist team losing in finals?? loving friend's sister is a tricky, "podhumda machan" topic for chennai youth but film cleverly deals with it.....and the urban mileu it talks about is breathtakingly real - the grounds, tennis ball matches, losing to young boys team, comedy in sad situations - this movie is about real life characters not a dumb super hero movie with hero jumping from Mars to saturn.......

first of all multiple characters, threads-a vechhu evalavu thamizh padam vaurudhu?? who has the ability to create so many threads, remember the characterisation for each and give a common "acceptable" ground for each character?? chennai-28 is a classic in my books Cool

I think the subject/topical matter is mistaken for quality. Like "no kuthu songs = good movie", "no kissing scene/sex=good movie" indha madhiri because Chennai-28 was not "serious" and jolly a poradhunaala, its being clubbed with Gilli etc... Sridhar bro, correct me if i'm wrong

And i think someone mentioned about Virumaandi's violence. Virumaandi without violence is like Indian cricket without Sachin Tendulkar. Violence is part of the characters and it is so much a part of the film itself it wouldn't make sense without violence
[Violence ellarukkum pidikkanum-no, Virumaandi ellarukkum pudikkanum-no sollala, i just feel that you can't take away the violence from the film]

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 1:53:52 2009.

And i think someone mentioned about Virumaandi's violence. Virumaandi without violence is like Indian cricket without Sachin Tendulkar. Violence is part of the characters and it is so much a part of the film itself it wouldn't make sense without violence
[Violence ellarukkum pidikkanum-no, Virumaandi ellarukkum pudikkanum-no sollala, i just feel that you can't take away the violence from the film]

If it is me , படத்தில் இருந்த வன்முறையை(வன்முறை என்பது வெறும் ரத்தத் தெறிப்பு மட்டுமல்ல என்பது வேறு விடயம்) நான் படத்தின் குறையாக சொல்லவில்லை ..ரத்தத் தெறிப்பை நேர் கண் கொண்டு பார்க்க கூச்சப்படுகிற என் குறையை மட்டும் தான் சொன்னேன் .

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 2:00:40 2009.

சிலர் இந்த காரணத்திற்காக மறுக்கலாம் ..ஆனால் 'chennai 28 is not classic' -ன்னு சொல்லுறவங்க எல்ல்லோரும் இந்த காரணத்துக்காகத் தான் சொல்லுறாங்கண்ணு எடுத்துக்க முடியாது ..அப்படி இருந்தா மைக்கேல் மதன காமராஜனையும் , தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாளையும் classic -ன்னு சொல்லியிருக்க மாட்டோம் .

நீங்களும் ,Maddy -யும் சொல்ல வருகிற சென்னை -28 -ன் காட்சிப்படுத்துதல் நேர்த்தி ,பொதுவான எதார்த்தம் , நுண்ணிய கூறுகளை பலரும் உணர்ந்தே உள்ளார்கள் .

என்னைப் பொறுத்தவரை சென்னை -28 -ன் பல காட்சிகள் மிக மிக அருமை .ஆனால் ஒட்டு மொத்த படத்தையும் பார்க்கும் போது தேவையில்லாத பாடல் சொருகல்கள் ..அதை 'மிக நல்ல படம்' என்பதை தாண்டி 'Classic' என்று சொல்ல தயக்கம் கொடுக்கிறது.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 2:02:53 2009.

Yes, Bala, violence is an inherent part of virumandi. idhE kentin Trantinu, marula tin kattara corsis, korea, sappaan padam ellAm violence pArthuttu, ennA artistic-A violence irukku-nu vEra solvaainga
From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 2:26:53 2009.

Maddy,Bala anne,

Ennala Anbe Sivam-a 47 thadava paaka [Last Sunday evening show serthu] mudinjadhu-na sathiyama Chennai-28-ta appadi paaka mudiyaadhu.

I don't even remember most of the jokes even now though I watched that movie thrice. Some of the scenes are one time LOL's, example beach bet match, climax, Pothi vacha malliga mottu, Jai intro in that colony, Premji's mokka etc...

Idhellam meeri eppadi edhanala idha oru classic-nu solreenga.

As Joe rightly pointed out Ch-28 is indeed a good movie, but classic-ellam too much!

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 2:32:57 2009.

Yes, Bala, violence is an inherent part of virumandi. idhE kentin Trantinu, marula tin kattara corsis, korea, sappaan padam ellAm violence pArthuttu, ennA artistic-A violence irukku-nu vEra solvaainga Smile

martin sorcesse total damage

......actually Plum, indha madhiri "shallow" accusations podravanga, Anurag Kashyap range-e paathirukka maattanga, leave alone tarantino and sorcesse......

joe, 100% agreed - that "matter" song and saroja saaman nikalo song were big comprimises in Chennai-28 plus the fight scene in second half rockers' party - patience testing

.......infact if i recall my earliest reviews on chennai-28, i was hyper critical for these points....but there was a overall creative vision in this movie - everything were arranged neatly and there was a care for almost each detail.....

From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 2:38:16 2009.

......actually Plum, indha madhiri "shallow" accusations podravanga, Anurag Kashyap range-e paathirukka maattanga, leave alone tarantino and sorcesse......

martin sorcesse total damage Laughing

I like the way you quietly slip in a hindhikaaran/movie/song in every situation.

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 2:40:44 2009.

19thmay wrote:

Idhellam meeri eppadi edhanala idha oru classic-nu solreenga

i remember Maharasan movie jokes* till date - is that a classic then?? ..........sridhar, if u compare chennai-28 and other jolly movies, u wud see chennai-28 is far better conceptualised and there were very less logical flaws.........oru kamal padathlayo, illa oru BR padathlayo irukkara oru gripping screenplay, oru korvai, characterisation(oru alavukku), attention to details, story irundhudhu che-28la.....its just that chennai-28's tone was comedy whereas kamal and BR take serious subjects.......

*//my fav joke from Maharasan:
Kamalhassan: java-lakkadi giri giri, saidapeta vadgiri, idhukku enna badhil solra
VK.Ramasamy: idhukkellam evanya badhil solluvaan
//

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 2:46:04 2009.

......actually Plum, indha madhiri "shallow" accusations podravanga, Anurag Kashyap range-e paathirukka maattanga, leave alone tarantino and sorcesse......

martin sorcesse total damage Laughing

I like the way you quietly slip in a hindhikaaran/movie/song in every situation. hysterical

i have even put american and italian-american in here

.......i dont look for a person's background while enjoying his/her movies, i just look at the talend

......

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 2:47:56 2009.

Off-late TFI is treading a concocted path - unrelenting violence, rural backdrop and idiosyncratic accent backed with a love story(preferably originated from childhood) is passed off as offbeat and artistic merit.

From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 2:55:45 2009.

Hear Ye, Hear Ye

Off-late TFI is treading a concocted path - unrelenting violence, rural backdrop and idiosyncratic accent backed with a love story(preferably originated from childhood) is passed off as offbeat and artistic merit.

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 3:01:54 2009.

pls add bearded, lungi-clad guys, dhavani heroines

From: Raikkonen on Thu Nov 12 3:09:23 2009.

MADDY wrote:

*//my fav joke from Maharasan:
Kamalhassan: java-lakkadi giri giri, saidapeta vadgiri, idhukku enna badhil solra
VK.Ramasamy: idhukkellam evanya badhil solluvaan
//
From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 3:14:47 2009.

Me too hear ye, kid.
Paruthiveeran was funny enough with ariyaadha vaya4u and kid-lovs. But the cake goes to subbupuam for introducing out of the blue childhood scenes bet swathi-jai.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 3:18:11 2009.

Kid,
Childhood love 'preferable' illa, maendatOzhy!

Me too hear ye, kid.
Paruthiveeran was funny enough with ariyaadha vaya4u and kid-lovs. But the cake goes to subbupuam for introducing out of the blue childhood scenes bet swathi-jai.

Oh, adhu onnu dhaan illai nu nenachen!
Perverse Mad

And next time IR ku tribeet kudukkardha irundha ozhunga kudungappa

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 3:20:50 2009.

Joe,
Unga post-a sollala. You didn't say it should not have been there, ungalukku oru aversion nu dhaan sonneenga...

C-28 classic-a illaya nu therla but one of the very good ones in recent times IMO
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 3:21:11 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

And next time IR ku tribeet kudukkardha irundha ozhunga kudungappa

how did i forget, idhu vera.......oh, even u guys are not happy with these tribeetsaa, engalakkellam ketkave vendaam.......yaarume illadha tea kadai madhiri aaiduchhu
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 3:27:53 2009.

Plum wrote:

But the cake goes to subbupuam for introducing out of the blue childhood scenes bet swathi-jai.

வராதுங்களே? எங்க சொல்றீங்க?
From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 3:31:33 2009.

Nice to see Kanchivaram mentioned. That succeeds being an offbeat parallel cinema. But if it were to be included, then so should Adoor's Nizhalkuthu which was predominantly Tamil, with organic Raaja soundtrack. A superior film to Kanchivaram, and works on different levels.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 3:36:28 2009.

But the cake goes to subbupuam for introducing out of the blue childhood scenes bet swathi-jai.

வராதுங்களே? எங்க சொல்றீங்க?

Plum
Naan first half paathen, sild love varla, adhaan surprised. Second half la varuma?

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 3:37:56 2009.

Ironically, Nizhalkuthu critiques capital punishment through a different viewpoint. It is stunningly subtle and layered, yet hard-hitting and visceral.

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 3:43:57 2009.

But the cake goes to subbupuam for introducing out of the blue childhood scenes bet swathi-jai.

வராதுங்களே? எங்க சொல்றீங்க?

Plum
Naan first half paathen, sild love varla, adhaan surprised. Second half la varuma?

Me too

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 3:44:05 2009.

பாலா,
இல்லை, எனக்குத் தெரிஞ்சு அப்படி ஒண்ணும் வராது. சின்ன வயசுலேர்ந்து லவ் பண்றேன்னு சுவாதி சொல்லுவாங்க. அதைத் தான் ப்ளம் சொல்றாரோ?

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 3:48:44 2009.

Talking about Viru & capital punishment, I mis"bing"-ed my way into a National award winning Tamil feature film "Ooruku Nooruper" (2001) from NFDC. Apparently, the director of this film won the National award for it! Cool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ooruku_Nooruper

Editing-kaaga pArthappO LeninE thoongittArAm.
idhai naan theatre-la vEra pOyi pArththEn.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 3:50:42 2009.

P_R wrote:

Editing-kaaga pArthappO LeninE thoongittArAm.
idhai naan theatre-la vEra pOyi pArththEn.

Urukku NooRu per ..Theatre-la moththam rendu per
From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 3:51:59 2009.
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 3:57:30 2009.

நான் இருந்தேனே... மூணாவதா.
From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 4:08:13 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance
maRupadiyum mudhallErndhA ! More than made by the acting. Just look at her expressions in the sattena song link MADDY posted I say. Easily the bestest performance in this decade. (next poll idea I say). Beats Abhirami and Sandhya 'ngrEn.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 4:10:13 2009.

KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance

maRupadiyum mudhallErndhA ! More than made by the acting. Just look at her expressions in the sattena song link MADDY posted I say. Easily the bestest performance in this decade. (next poll idea I say). Beats Abhirami and Sandhya 'ngrEn.

Idhukku Pondicherry la dhaan room podanum

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 4:11:25 2009.

MADDY wrote:

nah, thiruda thiruda was unimpressive,

Violently disagree.
Sreemarum and Ramagopalarum suzhatti suzhatti adichiruppaanga.
One of my favourite Rahman albums too.

From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 4:28:43 2009.

KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance

Not sure about Abhirami and Sandhya, but not her own vocal, everything else is disqualified. Am yet to revisit that link, but I've seen enough of her films, especially with seniors, to note that her facial expression runs gamut from A to as far as C. A = poker face, C = extreme constipation. She's wrong in that film. Wrong. The kid outperformed her, in my opinion.

On a more comforting note, Thiruda Thiruda is my fav ARR album

o-oh...I see Nerd coming

From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 4:29:35 2009.

I have two very basic questions...

1.What is the meaning of classic, especially in Thamizh cinema? Please dont bring Hindi, English, Italian, Japenese etc...

Based on your first question's answer, tell me...

2.Can a masala movie be a classic by any chance? If so example, I mean name the movie.
From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 4:36:24 2009.

Groucho, low-BP runs in my family. I am sure to inherit it. I will then come and read that post to get back to level. Nesst meet paNNuvOm.

Sridhar, glassic-A illaiyA nu ellAm kaalam dhaan badhil sollum. Ch-28 is one of the best films of recent times. Way way better than short name suppi saar.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 4:42:30 2009.

KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance

On a more comforting note, Thiruda Thiruda is my fav ARR album Very Happy

grouch, with you on Simran. She is not quite jyothika but I think she is the one who prepared the ground for jyothika in TF. Even if her own sins arent as extreme as Jyothika, I'd flay her for pushing the pendulum towards jyothikan levels of annoyingness

From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 4:45:56 2009.

P_R wrote:

Sridhar, glassic-A illaiyA nu ellAm kaalam dhaan badhil sollum. Ch-28 is one of the best films of recent times. Way way better than short name suppi saar.

Correct me if i am wrong,

A movie irrespective of its genre is fresh and new, never boring, a treat to watch even after decades is classic.

From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 12 4:50:03 2009.

Quite, quite. But Jyo, whatever her fault may be, did not get to strut her stuff with Mani, KB at helm, and though was responsible for the damage in Chandramukhi, went fangless in Thenali simply because everyone else stealing the show left, right, centre.

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 4:50:34 2009.

19thMay,
இதுல என்ன சந்தேகம்? மசாலா படம், கமர்ஷியல் ingredients இருக்கு, அதுனால பெரிய படம் இல்லைன்னு சொல்றதெல்லாம் உட்டாலக்கடி.

From: AravindMano on Thu Nov 12 4:53:23 2009.

More than made by the acting. Just look at her expressions in the sattena song link MADDY posted I say. Easily the bestest performance in this decade. (next poll idea I say). Beats Abhirami and Sandhya 'ngrEn.

enga vandhu saatchi solla sonnaalum solren.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 4:56:19 2009.

19thmay wrote:

1.What is the meaning of classic, especially in Thamizh cinema? Please dont bring Hindi, English, Italian, Japenese etc...

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 4:56:49 2009.

KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance

On a more comforting note, Thiruda Thiruda is my fav ARR album Very Happy

Nerd, local supAri naan paathukarEn, international supAri neenga paathukkureengaLA

From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 5:00:12 2009.

ok, before maddy gets any ideas about North Indian heroines in Tamil cinema ( ), let me assert here that I am among the millions ( ) who love the acting of both Simran (the best thing that happened in the 90s ++ ) and Jyothika. The actresses we have now are not even one tenth as talented (esp Simran) as they are.

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 5:00:14 2009.

Sridhar, glassic-A illaiyA nu ellAm kaalam dhaan badhil sollum. Ch-28 is one of the best films of recent times. Way way better than short name suppi saar.

Correct me if i am wrong,

A movie irrespective of its genre is fresh and new, never boring, a treat to watch even after decades is classic.

sari, adhai indha decade-la solla mudiyAdhu allavA.

By that yardstick, VirumANdi is perhaps the only film that would make it.

After that the one I have actually watched and enjoyed multiple times is PKS - admittedly with more space between viewings.
There are no other films I want to watch again.

While on the topic, one film that I have seen only once but would love to watch again, preferably under ideal circumstances, is Oram Po.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 5:00:59 2009.

P_R , Plum ,Equa,
I expect short and sweet answers from you guys for Sridhar's questions . Just to know your view points

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 5:04:17 2009.

ok, before maddy gets any ideas about North Indian heroines in Tamil cinema ( LOL

), let me assert here that I am among the millions ( Razz

) who love the acting of both Simran (the best thing that happened in the 90s ++ ) and Jyothika. The actresses we have now are not even one tenth as talented (esp Simran) as they are. Cool

True.
While combaring Simran and Jothika will be an unpardonable atrocity, Jothika has to be given vengaLa kiNNa nm. Annoying hypermuyarchis apart she was impressive here and there. I mean she could handle Crazy Mohanwritten lines in her debut movie - borrowed voice notwithstanding.

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 5:05:07 2009.

Joe,
நான் சொல்லிட்டேனே...

equanimus wrote:

19thMay,
இதுல என்ன சந்தேகம்? மசாலா படம், கமர்ஷியல் ingredients இருக்கு, அதுனால பெரிய படம் இல்லைன்னு சொல்றதெல்லாம் உட்டாலக்கடி.

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 5:07:28 2009.

joe wrote:

P_R , Plum ,Equa,
I expect short and sweet answers from you guys for Sridhar's questions . Just to know your view points

SollittEnE Joe.
We can't say now about the classic status.
Rewatchability - then only VirumANdi will make it. AnbE Sivam has nothing to offer after, say 2-3 viewings. PKS can be rewatched but only with sufficient spacing. No other movie makes it this decade in my books.

And...any attempts to try and classify Suppipuram as a classic will be dealt with, with appropriate severity
From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 5:11:52 2009.

btw saw a poster for the next Madurai based sandsmell movie : GorippALayam

Naan PonmEni* 'ngra pErula autobiographical script ready paNNittu irukkEn

romba nalla payyanA irundhadhaala sild-lous illai. Financier romba risk-nu feel panraaru.

* nijamaavE adhu dhaan enga area pEru

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 5:12:15 2009.

Jothika has to be given vengaLa kiNNa nm. Annoying hypermuyarchis apart she was impressive here and there. I mean she could handle Crazy Mohanwritten lines in her debut movie - borrowed voice notwithstanding.

Disagree on all counts. She did all she could to grate on one's nerves even in 'பூவெல்லாம் கேட்டுப்பார்.' தலைய இந்த பக்கம் அந்த பக்கம், முன்ன பின்ன, ஆட்டிட்டே பேசுறது, கண்ணை மாறி மாறி சுருக்கி விரிச்சு வசனத்தோட emotion'ஐ மேட்ச் செய்றது, எல்லா விசேஷ கூறுகளும் இந்த படத்துலயும் இருந்தது. Crazy Mohan's lines didn't do much to me either.

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 5:17:25 2009.

Louu, dance, senti ellAm exclude paNNittEn.
Well actually I just wanted to say I liked that jewellery shop scene.

P1: ammA maadhirinnu sonne...aanaa ammAnu koopudure
J: adhukkAga ammA maadhirinu koopida mudiyumA ?

From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 5:20:24 2009.

By your fair judgements I presume that masala movies if watchable even after decades with the same amount of enthu then it can also be called as classic.

But why every one gets stunned, astonished when I preferred Dhool, Saamy, Ghilli as the best entertainer of this decade? Seriously is that because it was not entertaining at all or is there any other hatred factors? One person went an extent to call it as ****?
From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 5:29:55 2009.

My humble submission is that Dhool, Saamy and Ghilli are not as entertaining as they have been made out to be.

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>
Ayan is more entertaining than all of them.

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 5:31:21 2009.

ok, before maddy gets any ideas about North Indian heroines in Tamil cinema ( LOL

), let me assert here that I am among the millions ( Razz

) who love the acting of both Simran (the best thing that happened in the 90s ++ ) and Jyothika. The actresses we have now are not even one tenth as talented (esp Simran) as they are. Cool

மேடிக்கு இருக்கோ இல்லையோ, எனக்கு ரொம்பவே இருக்கு. பெரும்பாலும் படங்கள்ல வர்ற நடிகைகளுக்கு அவங்க கேரக்டர் பேசுற வரிகளைப் பற்றி பிரக்ஞையே இல்லை. சந்தோஷமான dialogue, வருத்தமான dialogue போல ஏதோ ஒரு குறுகிய, அபத்தமான புரிதலை மனத்தில் கொண்டு தான் நடிக்கிறார்கள் என்று தோன்றுகிறது.
இரண்டாவதா, ஒரு actor 'க்கு குரலளவில் இயல்பாகவே இருக்கும் (இருக்க வேண்டிய) ஒரு identity இப்ப வர்ற heroines 'க்கு சுத்தமா இருக்கறதில்லை. எண்பதுகள்லயும் டப்பிங் தானே செஞ்சாங்கன்னு கேக்கலாம். பட் பெரும்பாலும் ஒரு one-to-one association இருந்ததுன்னு நினைக்கிறேன். இப்ப "அதுவும் தேவையில்லையே!" 'ன்னு விட்டுட்டாங்க.

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 5:33:03 2009.

P_R wrote:

Well actually I just wanted to say I liked that jewellery shop scene.

P1: ammA maadhirinnu sonne...aanaa ammAnu koopudure
J: adhukkAga ammA maadhirinu koopida mudiyumA ?

அப்படிச் சொல்லுங்க. இதை புரிஞ்சுக்க முடியுது!
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 5:34:39 2009.

19thmay wrote:

A movie irrespective of its genre is fresh and new, never boring, a treat to watch even after decades is classic.

IMO Aboorva Sagodharargal is a classic. Adhu 'masala' padam dhaane?

Marupadiyum solren, neenga genre=quality nu argue panreenga, illa naanga appadi solradha solreenga!
[Of course IMO, we may have likes/dislikes based on genre itself adhu vera vishayam]

From: Raikkonen on Thu Nov 12 5:44:38 2009.

My humble submission is that Dhool, Saamy and Ghilli are not as entertaining as they have been made out to be.

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>
Ayan is more entertaining than all of them.

ayan class movie saar.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 5:48:30 2009.

Rewatchability - then only VirumANdi will make it. AnbE Sivam has nothing to offer after, say 2-3 viewings. PKS can be rewatched but only with sufficient spacing. No other movie makes it this decade in my books.

hmm ..Namma case thalai keeLa

Anbe sivam - Theatre-la 4 thadava ..TV/VCD - 4 thadava ..Still can watch
Virumandi - Theatre-la 1 thadava ... TV/VCD - 2 thadava ..still can watch
PKS - Theatre-la 1 thadava ... TV/VCD - 1 thadava .. not interested anymore.

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 5:51:02 2009.

Raikkonen wrote:

ayan class movie saar.

adhAvadhu Odalaingreenga
From: Raikkonen on Thu Nov 12 6:03:11 2009.

P_R wrote:

Raikkonen wrote:

ayan class movie saar.

adhAvadhu Odalaingreenga

<point>

gounder in mettukudi: intha veethula naan sonna evan namburan..
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 6:40:39 2009.

P_R wrote:

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>

aaama aaama, GM madhiri "nenju enna height-la irukku, adipatta spottu enna low-la irukku" nnu solli varuthha paduradhula punniyam illa paarunga ......

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 6:51:37 2009.

in my personal opinion, the "template masalas" fail to enthuse you after some time........u atleast need a uniqueness in screenplay to make it watchable again and again.......even in MGR movies, i get bored with his social movies except for a odd "enga veettu pillai", its the mannadhi mannans and nadodi mannans which had a plethora of unique events that keeps interest for me nowadays......

From: dinesh2002 on Thu Nov 12 7:02:08 2009.

ok, before maddy gets any ideas about North Indian heroines in Tamil cinema ( LOL

), let me assert here that I am among the millions ( Razz

) who love the acting of both Simran (the best thing that happened in the 90s ++ ) and Jyothika. The actresses we have now are not even one tenth as talented (esp Simran) as they are. Cool

Nov !!!

i was telling this to my fren the other day, who is an hardcore tamanna and shriya lover. What r the today's heroine compared to those of the 90s (and 80s too). Today's heroine's has not depth in their expression. All waste paper. Vanthe screenle ipadi apadi vaiyi asaichikithe poidevange, no expressions tru eyes nor body language. Nandhitha Dass is one of the promising actress of current crop, but alas, she didnt get the fame she deserves.

There isnt any good actress of today whom can fill in the places of Revathi, Shobana, Banupriya, Suganya, Simran, Jothika, Ramba, Nagma (hey, she can act Very Happy

), Suvalakhsmi, Devayani, etc etc.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 7:03:28 2009.

Absolutely. Any attempts to whitewash Jyothika's career of misdemeanours in retrospect will be severely dealt with
(Accused will be subject to back to back watching of Chandramukhi and Thambi in loop)

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 7:04:12 2009.

By your fair judgements I presume that masala movies if watchable even after decades with the same amount of enthu then it can also be called as classic.

But why every one gets stunned, astonished when I preferred Dhool, Saamy, Ghilli as the best entertainer of this decade? Seriously is that because it was not entertaining at all or is there any other hatred factors? One person went an extent to call it as ****? Rolling Eyes

Wh o knows? ****-na GOOD-yO ennamO?

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 7:04:24 2009.

dinesh2002 wrote:

There isnt any good actress of today whom can fill in the places of Revathi, Shobana, Banupriya, Suganya, Simran, Jothika, Ramba, Nagma (hey, she can act Very Happy

), Suvalakhsmi, Devayani, etc etc.

ayyo raama - u have put shobana and jothika/suvalakshmi in one line

dineshu nandita das and all north indies yaa, out of kanakku

....btw, wat happened to ur Nila, remember?

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 7:04:46 2009.

My humble submission is that Dhool, Saamy and Ghilli are not as entertaining as they have been made out to be.

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>
Ayan is more entertaining than all of them.

First sentence paarthuttu fully agree pOdalAmnu nenachEn. Second sentence paarthuttu partial agreement dhAn pOda mudiyudhu

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 7:06:33 2009.

joe wrote:

P_R , Plum ,Equa,
I expect short and sweet answers from you guys for Sridhar's questions . Just to know your view points

One line - "naan sonnadhAe sattam"
From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 7:06:43 2009.

I cracked some semblance of reason why I find MGR films rewatchable. Not masala, not the events, not anything. Anyone would be mystified and wondering after a peek, on how this person ever had a business at acting, let alone turn out to be a star of epic proportions. First, the unconventional looks which breaks the general norms of masculinity but redefine 'authority' into a whole new prototype. Which in truth is still unknown, almost alien to anything cinema has ever seen. Not one thing in his mannerism, dance and fight so be it, would be called authentic or natural (ironically some people feel the contrary, they think it's charisma, natural acting, etc). And no one, absolutely no one could ever produce that effect. Many had failed to master it and falsely believed into it (incl. the man in PR's avatar).

On the other hand, other tamil stars like Sivaji, Kamal, Rajini, etc had something going for them (talent definitely), and in latter two cases, they had so much inspiration from inside (Sivaji, and for Kamal, even Nagesh) and outside at instances (Chaplin for Kamal, Bret* Lee for Rajini). MGR factor still remains something of a mystery.

*-Bruce.

From: dinesh2002 on Thu Nov 12 7:08:55 2009.

There isnt any good actress of today whom can fill in the places of Revathi, Shobana, Banupriya, Suganya, Simran, Jothika, Ramba, Nagma (hey, she can act Very Happy

dinesh2002 wrote:

), Suvalakhsmi, Devayani, etc etc.

ayyo raama - u have put shobana and jothika/suvalakshmi in one line Sad

dineshu nandita das and all north indies yaa, out of kanakku Laughing

....btw, wat happened to ur Nila, remember? LOL

maddy, jothika and suvalakshmi r good actress.

i think they can be named along with shobana. ofcource shobana is an extraordinaire actress that should be listed 1 stage above them no doubt.

Nila is my " treat for eyes"

Semma smile and body

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 7:10:08 2009.

ok, before maddy gets any ideas about North Indian heroines in Tamil cinema ( LOL

), let me assert here that I am among the millions ( Razz

) who love the acting of both Simran (the best thing that happened in the 90s ++ ) and Jyothika. The actresses we have now are not even one tenth as talented (esp Simran) as they are. Cool

I think Baradwaj Rangan has the same view. And having been subject to some movies of sireeya, tirissa(despite her purported tamilness) , naina tharaaetc., I have to agree. Even Tamanna is only agreeable in comparison to the above eminences.
(before I signoff, Pooja is a honourable exception)

From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 7:17:44 2009.

My humble submission is that Dhool, Saamy and Ghilli are not as entertaining as they have been made out to be.

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>
Ayan is more entertaining than all of them.

onniyum solRadhukilla... nallA irunga.

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 7:17:45 2009.

My humble submission is that Dhool, Saamy and Ghilli are not as entertaining as they have been made out to be.

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>
Ayan is more entertaining than all of them.

Wholeheartedly agree with last part. But for reasons not related to Surya.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 7:23:22 2009.

kidg , brett lee or bruce lee?
* I am already imagining Rajni as a fast bowler, beating the batsman with an outswinger, and following it up by running up to him with "ha ha ha, kanna, idhu epdi irukku?" *

From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 7:23:29 2009.

My humble submission is that Dhool, Saamy and Ghilli are not as entertaining as they have been made out to be.

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>
Ayan is more entertaining than all of them.

onniyum solRadhukilla... nallA irunga.

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 7:23:56 2009.

Not one thing in his mannerism, dance and fight so be it, would be called authentic or natural (ironically some people feel the contrary, they think it's charisma, natural acting, etc).

MGR factor still remains something of a mystery.

Charisma yes - his face could actually communicate to lot of people - u cant pass it to people without charisma........natural - yes, <taking helmet, pads from P_R and my own ab-guard> he was the average joe u cud see in ur real life......all he knew very well was "to underplay" and tell me doesent it work in real lide scenarios?? some of his reply dialogues to his villians would be incredibly cool and natural........like manobala says "endha motionum theva illa" .....he was a good counterpoint to all histroinics around him and it worked brilliantly, atleast for me....

he had a great cinematic brain too - im sure even guys like kamalhassan have great respect for Nadodi mannan sort movies......his success proportion may be a mystery but basically he was a very capable guy - they guy who came from streets and survived on pure grit....

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 7:25:03 2009.

kidg , brett lee or bruce lee?
* I am already imagining Rajni as a fast bowler, beating the batsman with an outswinger, and following it up by running up to him with "ha ha ha, kanna, idhu epdi irukku?" *

Bruce Lee

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 7:32:08 2009.

Maddy,
That's just like your opinion. Underplay - maybe. Natural? I think not. He remains alien to anything ever seen in Cinema. A subversion and an anomaly if you like. I like him, and that post was making sense (in vain) of the reaction.
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 7:37:26 2009.

kid-glove wrote:

He remains alien to anything ever seen in Cinema.

IMO, thats quite atrocious but cant help nodding* to what you are saying

kid-glove wrote:

I like him

yes, i know that ......btw, did Iruvar movie have any impact on ur liking towards MGR

*nodding is != agreeing
From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 7:46:26 2009.

Although I hear it's a load of codswallop in sense of reality and history, It did help compound my feelings of him as a person. Coz until then I hadn't formed a opinion of him as a normal person.
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 7:47:09 2009.

Interesting thoughts on the MGR phenomenon, Thilak. I must admit I'm completely off track as far as MGR goes (haven't seen a single film of his in ages!). But I concur with your assessment that he's very much a non-actor. (In fact, I think it's an understatement!) But I'm not sure why you say he broke the general norms of masculinity. His physicality is on display in almost all his films (right from the very early ones) and it'd not surprise me if he was considered a sort of ideal male back then.
From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 7:48:14 2009.

MADDY wrote:

kid-glove wrote:

He remains alien to anything ever seen in Cinema.

IMO, thats quite atrocious

It's a well-spirited comment.

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 7:57:55 2009.

But I'm not sure why do you say he broke the general norms of masculinity. His physicality is on display in almost all his films (from his early films) and it'd not surprise me if he was considered a sort of ideal male back then.

Face (Lack of facial hair), demeanor and movement. Especially the uncontrolled waving hand movement (quite often in dancing) and utterly childlike enthusiasm when he romances.

Of course, the reaction is entirely subjective, and you might be right about people considering him 'ideal male' even.

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 8:05:07 2009.

Above all, there is something more 'weird' than a sense of non-existence. Even Physicality and the authoritative qualities are almost 'obtuse' when to think of it. Being hokey without an effort, I say. Nothing "bare" or masculine.
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 8:30:56 2009.

Thilak,
I wonder if what you're saying of him is refracted through the prism of the current norms.

Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of his impeccable swordsmanship, silambuchchaNdai etc. His dishoom-dishoom in general, actually.
From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 8:45:16 2009.

Bala bro - AS is a good choice, depanetly depanetly!

Precisely, I was bit annoyed to see some hubbers here who effortlessly dismissed the choices by masala movie lovers in a very sarcastic tone. People should understand that there are good amount of audiences who still hate serious movies, including my dad. He was a big NT fan and now he is saying that he will watch only light weight stories. He said �Yerkanave aayiram kashtam, idhula moolaya yosika vaikra maadhriyana padangellaam yedhukku?�
If this poll is for all then this is certainly biased. Atleast oru 49O naachum irrukanum-ndradhu ennoda point. Avvalo thaan!

Btw naan yerkanave Anbe Sivam-ku pottaachu!

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 9:02:11 2009.

And having been subject to some movies of sireeya, tirissa(despite her purported tamilness) , naina tharaaetc., I have to agree. Even Tamanna is only agreeable in comparison to the above eminences.
(before I signoff, Pooja is a honourable exception)

Plum,
My grouse with the ubiquity of "voiceless" heroines is that it serves as a major hindrance for even a regular average performance from a female lead. I'm not even talking about good performances. Some actresses overcome this hurdle somehow and occasionally manage to give a good performance. By the way, I'm with PR when he says that Simran is exceptionally good in KM. I thought she was just brilliant and a scene-stealer all the way.

And I don't find Tamanna* interesting at all. If everything goes fine for her in the next few years, she's all set to be the next Jyothika. One actress who I thought was interesting in recent times was Priya Anand from 'vAmanan.' I mean, she didn't have much to do at all in the film, but there was a sense of quiet dignity and grace in her presence. She didn't get all child-woman-like just because the hero/audience wants it that way.

* -- நீங்க TV 'ல இந்த ஜவுளிக்கடை ads எல்லாம் பாக்கறதில்ல போலிருக்கே....

From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 9:03:02 2009.

BTW, is there a thread for the best 90s film/album? That would be even more interesting.. Razz

i know what you want to prove.......i sternly warn you of consequences Razz

ungappan kudhirukkuLLa illayA?

நான் எப்ப சொன்னேன்? பொதுவா 90s தேவலைன்னேன்.

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 9:03:31 2009.

19thmay wrote:

If this poll is for all then this is certainly biased.

no. of nominations translated into poll choices.....there was no qualifying process done on any of nomination....even justification for one's choice were not asked....if Gilli is not there - then it didnt receive enough nominations.......i wanted it to be a "popular choice" poll rather than a "critic choice" poll and it has come out like that......
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 9:04:16 2009.

Venkiraja,
That was not for you, if I'm not mistaken.
From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 9:06:17 2009.

equanimus wrote:

Thilak,
I wonder if what you're saying of him is refracted through the prism of the current norms.

I wouldn't know for sure. I do form a personal conception on how it might have been. Maybe Tamil cinema and audiences hadn't even formed predefined idea/sense of masculinity. They surely weren't conditioned as much as present day 6-abs generation, and maybe even physicality didn't matter then. Until MGR's dishoom-dishoom (in his own style) beckoned and altered the norms ever since. But his way of doing things is still inimitable and when imitated, has a guise of parody.

From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 9:06:57 2009.

Tammu = GM's sangeetha I say!
She ain't even useful for miscellaneous purposes. Vega is very good, IMO.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 9:08:15 2009.

மக்கள் திலகம் பற்றிய கருத்துக்கள் ஆர்வத்தை தூண்டுகின்றன .பெரும்பாலான எம்.ஜி.ஆர் படங்களை பார்த்தவன் என்ற முறையிலும் , எம்.ஜி.ஆர் மேல் அபிமானம் கொண்ட மக்களிடையையே அனுபவப்பட்டவன் என்ற முறையிலும் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் தனித்தன்மையாக எனக்கு தோன்றுவது ஒன்றுண்டு...

இதே திரியில் Maddy -யுடன் விவாதிக்கும் போது ஒரு திரைப்படத்தின் காதாபாத்தின் அணுகுமுறையும் ,வெளிப்படும் கருத்துக்களும் அந்த காதாபாத்திரத்தின் கருத்தாக காட்டப்படுவதேயன்றி ,அந்த பாத்திரத்தில் நடிப்பவர் மற்றும் இயக்குநரின் கருத்தாக இருக்க வேண்டும் என்ற அவசியம் இல்லை என குறிப்பிட்டேன் ..இதற்கு ஒரே விதிவிலக்கு எம்.ஜி.ஆர் தான்.

எம்.ஜி.ஆர் படத்தில் கதாபாத்திரத்தின் கருத்தை பிரதிபலிக்கும் ஒருவராக எம்.ஜி.ஆர் வரமாட்டார் ..எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் கருத்தை பிரதிபலிக்கும் ஒன்றாகவே கதாபாத்திரம் வரும் .கதாபாத்திரத்தையும் அவரையும் பிரித்து பார்க்க முடியாத ஒரு கவனமான அணுகுமுறையை அவர் கடைபிடித்தார் . வன்முறையை காட்டி வன்முறையின் தீமையை சொல்வது போன்ற முறைகளை அவர் செய்வதில்லை .. சுற்றி வளைத்து சொல்லாமல் எதுவுமே நேராகத் தான் வரும் . ஒரு படத்தில் சற்று கோபக்கார ரவுடியாக நடித்து விட்டு அடுத்த படத்தில் சாந்த சொரூபியாக நடிப்பதெல்லாம் அவருக்கு தேவையில்லை .. நீதி ,நேர்மை ,நியாயத்தை எப்போதும் கடைபிடிக்கும் எம்.ஜி.ஆராகவே அவர் வருவார் ..எனவே படத்துக்கு அடுத்த படம் ஒரு தொடர்ச்சி போல தான் ..புதிய படத்தில் நீதி ,நேர்மையை நிலை நாட்ட வாத்தியார் செய்யும் புதிய உக்தியை பார்ப்பது ஒன்றே நாம் எதிர்பார்க்க வேண்டியது .

அண்ணாவோடு அவருக்கு தொடர்பு ஏற்பட்டதிலிருந்து அவர் இந்த ஒரே நேர்கோட்டு பாதையில் தான் போனதாக தெரிகிறது .அதற்கு அவரின் சண்டைத்திறமை , தொழில்நுட்ப திறமை போன்ற மற்றவையும் உதவின .

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 9:08:44 2009.

BTW, is there a thread for the best 90s film/album? That would be even more interesting.. Razz

i know what you want to prove.......i sternly warn you of consequences Razz

ungappan kudhirukkuLLa illayA?

u go ahead - evan appan, enga irukkaan-nnu naa solren

From: karthiknfr on Thu Nov 12 9:13:48 2009.

hey plzzz add Gilli and pokiri in tat polls
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 9:14:33 2009.

karthiknfr wrote:

hey plzzz add Gilli and pokiri in tat polls

sorry dude, we didnt have enough nominations for these 2 movies ...

From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 9:15:37 2009.

BTW, is there a thread for the best 90s film/album? That would be even more interesting.. Razz

i know what you want to prove.......i sternly warn you of consequences Razz

ungappan kudhirukkuLLa illayA?

u go ahead - evan appan, enga irukkaan-nnu naa solren Razz

cha cha.. nAn smilie pOttu thAnE kEttEn 'NNE.. Freeya udunga.. I'll personally vote for Thiruda Thiruda if the album conspiracy comes up. nAnum (part-time) rowdy thAnunga..

From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 9:20:24 2009.

no one is ready to give up.

thanks equanimus for your view. irukkuradha vechu thaan edai pOda mudiyum...

Jyo's swansong just underlined her contributions to Tamil cinema. And as for Simran, even after her return (in VA for instance) she showed what we have been missing all these while.

Generally heroines these days are there for only a reason and I have come across films where the entire scenes would have been captured barring the secenes involving the heroine. Such is their importance in today's cinema.

Dinesh teh tarik on you ...
From: Raikkonen on Thu Nov 12 9:20:41 2009.

top 10 mass/masala/intha list-il sethu kolla tayangia padangal-nu oru thread open panna suggestion seigiren..
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 9:22:23 2009.

VENKIRAJA wrote:

nAnum (part-time) rowdy thAnunga..

thalaivar-a "full timea" paaraattura P_R, Equa membersip-aye naanga hold-la vechhirukom ....
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 9:24:42 2009.

Raikkonen wrote:

top 10 mass/masala/intha list-il sethu kolla tayangia padangal-nu oru thread open panna suggestion seigiren..

that would be a great idea.....

but let me say it for 5th time() there was no thayakkam or stuff....

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 9:29:03 2009.

இதே திரியில் Maddy -யுடன் விவாதிக்கும் போது ஒரு திரைப்படத்தின் காதாபாத்தின் அணுகுமுறையும் ,வெளிப்படும் கருத்துக்களும் அந்த காதாபாத்திரத்தின் கருத்தாக காட்டப்படுவதேயன்றி ,அந்த பாத்திரத்தில் நடிப்பவர் மற்றும் இயக்குநரின் கருத்தாக இருக்க வேண்டும் என்ற அவசியம் இல்லை என குறிப்பிட்டேன் ..இதற்கு ஒரே விதிவிலக்கு எம்.ஜி.ஆர் தான்

true

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 9:33:26 2009.

irukkuradha vechu thaan edai pOda mudiyum...

நீங்க சொல்றது புரியுது, NOV. இருக்கற (இல்ல ஜோதிகா கொடிகட்டிப் பறந்தப்போ இருந்த) heroines 'ல ஜோதிகா பரவாயில்லைன்னும் எனக்குத் தோணல. அதைத் தான் சொல்றேன்.

Generally heroines these days are there for only a reason and I have come across films where the entire scenes would have been captured barring the secenes involving the heroine. Such is their importance in today's cinema.

What has Jyothika done to stand apart in this kind of situation? Apart from being a real superstar (like Khushboo, Simran etc.), of course.

From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 9:37:13 2009.

irukkuradha vechu thaan edai pOda mudiyum...

What has Jyothika done to stand apart in this kind of situation? Apart from being a real superstar (like Khushboo, Simran etc.), of course.

அபத்தமான கேள்வி ஐயா. அம்மணி முழுப்பேரு என்ன? அது தான் காரணம்.

From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 9:38:02 2009.

I understand your views equanimus. and I can live with it.
Well, in the beginning I too was unimpressed and she didnt even fit into my idea of beauty. Then later I found her much more improved - for instance in Mozhi.
anyway jothikaga kodi ellaam pudikka pOradhilla... but I am pretty sure there are many like me who thinks she did a decent job while in the field.
From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 9:40:40 2009.

VENKIRAJA wrote:

அம்மணி முழுப்பேரு என்ன?
I really dont know - she was born a muslim right? So Jothika cant be her name
From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 9:43:04 2009.

NOV wrote:

VENKIRAJA wrote:

அம்மணி முழுப்பேரு என்ன?
I really dont know - she was born a muslim right? So Jothika cant be her name

சஹி ஜவாப். ஆப் ஜீத் கய்! தூங்குற மாதிரி நடிச்சிகிட்டே இருங்க!
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 9:43:55 2009.

NOV wrote:

but I am pretty sure there are many like me who thinks she did a decent job while in the field.

Of course, that is beyond doubt, NOV!

VENKIRAJA wrote:

அபத்தமான கேள்வி ஐயா. அம்மணி முழுப்பேரு என்ன? அது தான் காரணம்.

Venkiraja,
[I assume you're referring to Surya here.] I don't think so. She was a big star before Surya even started to act (you know what I mean!).

From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 9:46:14 2009.

சஹி ஜவாப். ஆப் ஜீத் கய்! தூங்குற மாதிரி நடிச்சிகிட்டே இருங்க!

அம்மணி முழுப்பேரு என்ன?

I really dont know - she was born a muslim right? So Jothika cant be her name Confused2

Venky, speak coherently pls.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 9:47:30 2009.

சஹி ஜவாப். ஆப் ஜீத் கய்! தூங்குற மாதிரி நடிச்சிகிட்டே இருங்க!

அம்மணி முழுப்பேரு என்ன?

I really dont know - she was born a muslim right? So Jothika cant be her name Confused2

Venky, speak coherently pls. Mad

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 9:48:23 2009.

Joe,
Thanks for your reflections on MGR.

From: VENKIRAJA on Thu Nov 12 9:59:57 2009.

அபத்தமான கேள்வி ஐயா. அம்மணி முழுப்பேரு என்ன? அது தான் காரணம்.

Venkiraja,
[I assume you're referring to Surya here.] I don't think so. She was a big star before Surya even started to act (you know what I mean!).

நான் அவரது விருப்பத்துக்கான காரணத்தையே சொல்ல விழைந்தேன்.
(நீங்க நம்ம ஆளுண்ணே

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 10:13:23 2009.

From: NOV on Thu Nov 12 10:06:50 2009.

VENKIRAJA wrote:

நான் அவரது விருப்பத்துக்கான காரணத்தையே சொல்ல விழைந்தேன்.

no wonder you only know 10% of me.
I think fury is blinding reason.
its ok, will talk later
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 10:08:22 2009.

equanimus wrote:

[I assume you're referring to Surya here.] I don't think so. She was a big star before Surya even started to act (you know what I mean!).

before Nondha u mean

எம்.ஜி.ஆர் படத்தில் கதாபாத்திரத்தின் கருத்தை பிரதிபலிக்கும் ஒருவராக எம்.ஜி.ஆர் வரமாட்டார் ..எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் கருத்தை பிரதிபலிக்கும் ஒன்றாகவே கதாபாத்திரம் வரும் .கதாபாத்திரத்தையும் அவரையும் பிரித்து பார்க்க முடியாத ஒரு கவனமான அணுகுமுறையை அவர் கடைபிடித்தார் .

நன்றி ஜோ. நீங்கள் சொல்வது சரி தான். ஆனால் இதே கணக்கு பின்னர் வந்த நடிகர்களுக்கு (ரஜினியைத் தவிர) பலிக்கவில்லையே. அதற்கு பல வித mundane காரணங்கள் இருந்திருந்தாலும், எம்.ஜி.ஆருடைய தனித்துவமும் பெரும்பங்கு ஆற்றியிருக்க வேண்டும்.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 10:29:50 2009.

ஆனால் இதே கணக்கு பின்னர் வந்த நடிகர்களுக்கு (ரஜினியைத் தவிர) பலிக்கவில்லையே. அதற்கு பல வித mundane காரணங்கள் இருந்திருந்தாலும், எம்.ஜி.ஆருடைய தனித்துவமும் பெரும்பங்கு ஆற்றியிருக்க வேண்டும்.

ரஜினியை கூட இதில் விதிவிலக்காக நீங்கள் கொள்ள முடியாது . ரஜினி பிற்காலத்தில் ஒரு தனிமனித பிம்பத்தை கொண்டுவந்தாலும் , ரஜினி இடையிடையே உதிர்க்கும் டயலாக்குகள் ,பாடல்கள் தவிர முழு கதாபாத்திரத்தையும் ரஜினி என்ற தனிமனித பிம்பத்துக்கு இணையாக கொண்டு சென்றதாக தெரியவில்லை .ரஜினி காலத்தில் ரசிகர்கள் பிரித்தறிவதில் பழக்கப்பட்டு விட்டார்கள் . எம்.ஜி.ஆர் யாரை விடவும் அந்த பிணைப்பை அதிகமாக கட்டிக்காத்தார் .

ரஜினிக்கு பின் வந்த பெரிய கதாநாயகர்களெல்லாம் காதலர் கதாபாத்திரங்களில் கோலோச்சி படிப்படியாக தேவ தூதர்களாக அவதாரம் எடுக்க முயற்சித்தவர்கள் ..அவர்களோடு எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் மிகக்கவனமான நெறிமுறை சார்ந்த கதாநாயக பிம்ப கட்டமைப்பை ஒப்பிடுவது எனக்கு ஏற்புடையதாக இல்லை

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 10:36:38 2009.

ரஜினி காலத்தில் ரசிகர்கள் பிரித்தறிவதில் பழக்கப்பட்டு விட்டார்கள்

do you imply that MGR fans being dumb was one main reason why MGR could maintain a "virtual" image?

From: complicateur on Thu Nov 12 10:41:43 2009.

But I'm not sure why you say he broke the general norms of masculinity. His physicality is on display in almost all his films (right from the very early ones) and it'd not surprise me if he was considered a sort of ideal male back then.

I've always felt the man took after Richard Burton's quote: "An actor is something less than a man, while an actress is something more than a woman". Surprisingly in the thamizh ethos MGR is considered more than just a man.

From: kid-glove on Thu Nov 12 10:45:22 2009.

The discussion had turned a page. Although I'm somewhat proud of starting it all, I'll get my coat.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 10:46:17 2009.

ரஜினி காலத்தில் ரசிகர்கள் பிரித்தறிவதில் பழக்கப்பட்டு விட்டார்கள்

do you imply that MGR fans being dumb was one main reason why MGR could maintain a "virtual" image?

கண்டிப்பாக இல்லை .எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ரஜினியைப் போல பிரித்தறிவதற்கு வாய்ப்பே கொடுக்கவில்லை என்பதே நான் சொல்ல வந்தது.

btw , நீங்கள் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ரசிகராக இருக்கலாம் ..ஆனால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் ரசிகரான உங்களுக்கு இணையாக ,அல்லது அதற்கு மேலே நான் எம்.ஜி.ஆரை ரசித்திருக்க வாய்ப்பு உண்டு

From: Nerd on Thu Nov 12 10:49:54 2009.

KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance

On a more comforting note, Thiruda Thiruda is my fav ARR album Very Happy

Nerd, local supAri naan paathukarEn, international supAri neenga paathukkureengaLA

Simran was a Goddess. She had everything, including acting. Simran and sOthai'kA in the same sentance???? sOthaikA is the one who pioneered artificial puppliness which irritates the viewer endlessly. Tamanna is following her footsteps now.

Simran = borrowed voice?? Not a single thamizh actress can speak thamizh as good as saveethA (the dubbing artist). Oru extraordinary actress simran-kku thappE illai

But I thing Simran=SandhyA > Abirami=Pooja this decade.

From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 10:55:08 2009.

KM is flawed by lead actresses lack of vocal performance

On a more comforting note, Thiruda Thiruda is my fav ARR album Very Happy

Nerd, local supAri naan paathukarEn, international supAri neenga paathukkureengaLA

But I thing Simran=SandhyA > Abirami=Pooja this decade.

I agree with you Nerd. Not many people know that Simran missed national award only because she did not have her own voice for Kannaththil Muththamittaal.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 10:59:09 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

Not many people know that Simran missed national award only because she did not have her own voice for Kannaththil Muththamittaal.

You sound like Simran reached the last level of filtering and rejected just because of this reason.

If 'didn't have her own voice' is a disqualification ,they couldn't have even considered her .

then how authentic your claim?

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 10:59:58 2009.

ரஜினி காலத்தில் ரசிகர்கள் பிரித்தறிவதில் பழக்கப்பட்டு விட்டார்கள்

do you imply that MGR fans being dumb was one main reason why MGR could maintain a "virtual" image?

oh thanks.....i think u r coming from a Plum's point of view - the "carefully constructed" image of MGR in movies.......but when i was born he was already in death bed..........there could have been no "image thrust" on me.....even if it was, in my subsequent reviews, it should have been washed off.......MGR's fans in my generation is a fascinating twist in this "constructed image" theory.....

sure, you should obviously be knowing more than me abt MGR and you have lived right when MGR was alive and the "buzz" would have been loud

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 11:02:25 2009.

MADDY wrote:

i think u r coming in a Plum's point of view - the "carefully constructed" image of MGR in movies

என்னை எப்பவுமே சந்தேகக் கண் கொண்டு பார்ப்பதை எப்ப தான் விடுவீங்க

From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 11:04:15 2009.

Not many people know that Simran missed national award only because she did not have her own voice for Kannaththil Muththamittaal.

You sounds like Simran reached the last level of filtering and rejected just because of this reason.

If 'didn't have her own voice' is a disqualification ,they couldn't have even considered her .

then how authentic your claim? Rolling Eyes

I don't think you will be disqualified if you don't have own voice. If the performances are equal then actress with own voice has a clear edge. I know it happened for Radha in Mudhal Mariyadhai also against Suhashini in Sindhu Bhairavi. Even Suhashini told in interview if it was not for her, she was expecting Radha to win National award. National award committee never came up with any requirements for award such as own voice etc.,

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 11:06:49 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

I don't think you will be disqualified if you don't have own voice.

I have doubt ..any others clarify?

From: jaiganes on Thu Nov 12 11:12:12 2009.

complicateur wrote:

he is what abbas would say to a bare body superstar
'What a man?'
Coming from abbas - that compliment hardly hits the mark..

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 11:18:28 2009.

i think u r coming in a Plum's point of view - the "carefully constructed" image of MGR in movies

என்னை எப்பவுமே சந்தேகக் கண் கொண்டு பார்ப்பதை எப்ப தான் விடுவீங்க Laughing

no, i just felt ur point was trying to reason out MGR's "mystery" charm(as per thilak)....

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 11:22:37 2009.

Nerd, vote potruvoma? i dont see major changes happening from here on
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 11:24:23 2009.

Equanimar,
14-15 trailing. Enna solreenga? Kamaan, dooyit!
From: viraajan on Thu Nov 12 11:26:02 2009.

joe wrote:

tamizharasan wrote:

I don't think you will be disqualified if you don't have own voice.

I have doubt ..any others clarify?

Not sure abt 80s. but now, i think an actor is disqualified if he/she doesnt hav own voice.
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 11:26:48 2009.

Coincidentally I just clicked on "Submit Vote" by mistake! (By default option edhuvum choose AgiyirukkAdhunnu ninaikkiREn. I tried the same a second time and nothing seemed to happen.)

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:27:16 2009.

Tamanna was good in some telugu movies I saw. avLO dhAn. I thought Kallori was okay. Even KD wasnt bad. remba expectations-lAm illai.
*No, TV ads-lAm theriyAdhu. I am badly out of touch with TN scene. Only SUN TV, which I avoid because of over promotion of their own movies.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:28:15 2009.

Quote:

She ain't even useful for miscellaneous purposes.
From: app_engine on Thu Nov 12 11:30:08 2009.

Some more digression on masculinity, MGR -

Disclaimer - I guess the 'masculinity' opinion of women can never be exactly felt or even correctly comprehended by we men

MGR had possibly more female supporters than men (going by the 'thAikkulam' votes he got in politics later on).

And there're many contrary opinions to the general south Indian consensus on "meesai vachcha AmbiLai" (or for that matter, hair in chest / back etc); even Thamizh magazines wrote that Kamal appeared more masculine in nAyakan So this is really a hairy deal.

Basically, a "protector of woman" image (provider to the weak / downtrodden women, saves villain from rape etc) worked better on / off screen than physical features from time immemorial...i.e. till such time things got twisted towards 6-pack & TN view of sexual morality started getting somewhat confused etc

End-digression
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 11:31:20 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Equanimar,
14-15 trailing. Enna solreenga? Kamaan, dooyit!

indha eleksanla jeyichchu enna puNNiyam... vattaththukku veLiyila vandhu pArunga, anbE sivaththa adichchukka mudiyAdhu, adichchukka mudiyAdhu!

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:31:22 2009.

top 10 mass/masala/intha list-il sethu kolla tayangia padangal-nu oru thread open panna suggestion seigiren..

Raikkonen wrote:

that would be a great idea..... Very Happy

but let me say it for 5th time( LOL

) there was no thayakkam or stuff....

paavampA Maddy. Remba kashtapattu oruthar page page-A collect paNNi, counting software-lAm ezhudhi, poll vechurukkAru. Cool-A, ipdi accuse pandrIngaLE. As his predecessor EC in the Hub, I empathise fully with him and declare holy war against anyone accusing of partiality in selection of movies in this thread

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:33:36 2009.

[I assume you're referring to Surya here.] I don't think so. She was a big star before Surya even started to act (you know what I mean!).

before Nondha u mean LOL

After nandha also, there was Sree

Pithamagan-ku appuram dhAn konjam steady AnApla
(adhaiyum nInga othukka mAttIngangaradhu vEra vishayam

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 11:34:53 2009.

Equanimar,
14-15 trailing. Enna solreenga? Kamaan, dooyit!

indha eleksanla jeyichchu enna puNNiyam... vattaththukku veLiyila vandhu pArunga, anbE sivaththa adichchukka mudiyAdhu, adichchukka mudiyAdhu!

"Appo vada-tea saapuda varla neeyi!" nu therinjum muyarchi senjen, mudiyala! Kambi-a pidikkaama gun madhiri dhaan nikkureenga!

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 11:37:50 2009.

app_engine wrote:

saves villain from rape etc

LOL! Gives the familiar trope a whole new meaning! (Though not many filmmakers do that even now.)

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:38:00 2009.

i think u r coming in a Plum's point of view - the "carefully constructed" image of MGR in movies

என்னை எப்பவுமே சந்தேகக் கண் கொண்டு பார்ப்பதை எப்ப தான் விடுவீங்க Laughing

En Joe, Plum maadhirinnu sonnadhula shake aayittIngaLA?

(Joe, like Sivaji in TM: "Yaaru naan avana maadhiri....enna vaarth...enna paart...edhavadhu yosich....oru logic veNA........" )

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:39:02 2009.

Coincidentally I just clicked on "Submit Vote" by mistake! (By default option edhuvum choose AgiyirukkAdhunnu ninaikkiREn. I tried the same a second time and nothing seemed to happen.)

ipdi vote-ai Waste paNNittIngaLE

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:41:08 2009.

1 Week-la 58 pages.
Maddy,
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 11:41:56 2009.

Oh, nAn dhAn andha 15 'Avadhu vote'A?!
From: app_engine on Thu Nov 12 11:43:10 2009.

equanimus wrote:

app_engine wrote:

saves villain from rape etc

LOL! Gives the familiar trope a whole new meaning! (Though not many filmmakers do that even now.)

ஆஹா, ஸ்லிப்பாயிடுச்சே

example of being unintentionally funny
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 11:43:34 2009.

idhuve cinema padam climOks madhiri aiduche!
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 11:44:36 2009.

Morpheus solRA mAdhiri, fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony!
From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:47:47 2009.

equanimus wrote:

Morpheus solRA mAdhiri, fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony!

equa, this is unpardonable. The executive committee has decided that you will have to create a new id and vote for Virumandi else you'll be expelled as captain of our sangam and made 12th man.
From: joe on Thu Nov 12 11:50:06 2009.

equanimus wrote:

Oh, nAn dhAn andha 15 'Avadhu vote'A?!

அன்பே சிவம்
From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 11:53:38 2009.

Bala
Violence played major role in most of the great movies I have seen in my life. Either violence by mankind or violence by God(nature) whatever you want to call. For example violence is part of all this movies mahanadhi, hey ram, devar magan anbe sivam and virumaandi. Another great example is apu triology of satyajit ray. How it is portrayed in the screen was the problem. In Apur Sansar, the heroine dies during delivery of baby. The scene was so touching and depressing even without showing actual heroine. Hero comes to know that from the letter about this death. It was done by Satyajit Ray so greatly that he had shown the effect without having to show the heroine's face itself. My concern about Virumaandi was you don't have to show hands falling down from the body so clearly to depict the violence. Not only Indian Cinema even the world cinema is against this one. There were lot of objections against Saving Private Ryan for showing violence in bloody true form. Steven spielberg had to make campaign to defend that.

One more request to Bala. Please ask me directly if you have objections in the posting. Let us stay away from Rajini and Kamal thing forever. I am not typical Rajini fan like you think, in fact most of the rajini fans in the hub are like that. I am still campaigning for Anbe Sivam to win this contest.
From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 11:55:05 2009.

joe wrote:

equanimus wrote:

Oh, nAn dhAn andha 15 'Avadhu vote'A?!

அன்பே சிவம்

Great.
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 11:55:47 2009.

Joe, moderator vote'ai confirm seyya mudiyumA?
From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:55:47 2009.

Someone said Bala is campaigning for Viruman because it is Kamal directedd. Idhai ipdiyE reverse paNNi, are some people campaigning for Anbe Sivam because it is the prime opposition to Viruman and it is not Kamal-directed?
From: Raikkonen on Thu Nov 12 11:57:42 2009.

blum.. sundar c-ke teriyathu anbe sivam yaar director-nu..
From: Nerd on Thu Nov 12 11:58:18 2009.

Maddy,
POttaachu. Neenga pOttIngannA, #3 aayidum, which is #1 to me in a Kamal-fans dominated kub.
From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 11:58:50 2009.

Raikkonen wrote:

blum.. sundar c-ke teriyathu anbe sivam yaar director-nu..

Even sundar C indirectly told that it was directed by Kamal. No way he could have directed this movie IMHO.
From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 11:59:15 2009.

ada pAvingaLA? nEthu oruthar Flum-nAru. innikku blum-A?
oru kurooppA thAnyA thiryarInga? adhuvum namma kittEyE vandhu landhu kAtrInga...
From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 12:00:03 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Maddy,
POttaachu. Neenga pOttIngannA, #3 aayidum, which is #1 to me in a Kamal-fans dominated kub.

Maddykku KM kooda romba pidichchirukku. Edhuvum solrathakkillai.
From: joe on Thu Nov 12 12:02:53 2009.

equanimus wrote:

Joe, moderator vote'ai confirm seyya mudiyumA?

only admin can do

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:03:40 2009.

blum.. sundar c-ke teriyathu anbe sivam yaar director-nu..

Raikkonen wrote:

Even sundar C indirectly told that it was directed by Kamal. No way he could have directed this movie IMHO.

adhAvadhu, I am not saying anything here. Someone actually accused that Kamal fans vote Virumandi because it is Kamal directed and AS is not. This was for them. Adhu yaarunnu kooda gnabagam illai. Reverse logic avLO dhAn.

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 12:04:00 2009.

Morpheus solRA mAdhiri, fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony!

equa, this is unpardonable. The executive committee has decided that you will have to create a new id and vote for Virumandi else you'll be expelled as captain of our sangam and made 12th man.

"thappAyi pOchchu thAththA" 'nnu kuththu vAngikkalAm 'nu nenachchEn, AnA... andha vote-u nAn illa! (oru curiosity 'la, ippa dhAn innoru thread 'la unit test senjEn.)

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:04:47 2009.

joe wrote:

equanimus wrote:

Joe, moderator vote'ai confirm seyya mudiyumA?

only admin can do

appO oNNum paNNa mudiyAdhu
From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 12:05:59 2009.

joe wrote:

equanimus wrote:

Joe, moderator vote'ai confirm seyya mudiyumA?

only admin can do

Can I know which movie did you vote for? or want to vote for?
From: 19thmay on Thu Nov 12 12:06:28 2009.

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 12:06:59 2009.

Can I know which movie did you vote for? or want to vote for?

Joe, moderator vote'ai confirm seyya mudiyumA? Smile

only admin can do Smile

நீங்க பிரச்சாரம் பண்ணுற படத்துக்கு தான்

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 12 12:07:29 2009.

Maddy,
POttaachu. Neenga pOttIngannA, #3 aayidum, which is #1 to me in a Kamal-fans dominated kub.

Maddykku KM kooda romba pidichchirukku. Edhuvum solrathakkillai.

no way......i think kadhal deserves to be there at the top....

Nerd, naanum pottachu....lets keep fingers crossed that some more votes will pile up for kadhal......aana, mugam theriyadha sila marma maniratnam fans KMa engayo kondu poittaanga, sandhosama irundhaalum, Kadhal-kku nerukkadiya irukku

From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 12:07:40 2009.

Can I know which movie did you vote for? or want to vote for?

Joe, moderator vote'ai confirm seyya mudiyumA? Smile

only admin can do Smile

நீங்க பிரச்சாரம் பண்ணுற படத்துக்கு தான் Very Happy

Good joe. Let us do it then. I think NOV also supports AS.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:08:55 2009.

Morpheus solRA mAdhiri, fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony!

equa, this is unpardonable. The executive committee has decided that you will have to create a new id and vote for Virumandi else you'll be expelled as captain of our sangam and made 12th man.

"thappAyi pOchchu thAththA" 'nnu kuththu vAngikkalAm 'nu nenachchEn, AnA... andha vote-u nAn illa! (oru curiosity 'la, ippa dhAn innoru thread 'la unit test senjEn.)

puriyala - enna unit test paNNiNinga? How does it prove that the 15th vote is not yours?

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 12:10:23 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Maddy,
POttaachu. Neenga pOttIngannA, #3 aayidum, which is #1 to me in a Kamal-fans dominated kub.

ஆமாம், இதை இவ்வளவு நேரம் கழிச்சுப் போட்டு நீங்க சாதிச்சது என்னவோ? இது தான் சரின்னா உங்க வீட்டு விட்டத்துலயே தொங்கியிருக்கலாமே?

சும்மா ஒரு general knowledge 'க்கு கேட்டேன்.
From: app_engine on Thu Nov 12 12:13:36 2009.

Plum wrote:

enna unit test paNNiNinga? How does it prove that the 15th vote is not yours?

My guess - he clicked "vote" without any selection (i.e. darkening of one of the radio buttons).

It disallows him from voting anymore, while not adding the number to any in the list.

His doubt was whether the top one was selected by default (and so the addition to make it to the leading 15 was his by mistake).

He resolved that it was not, by getting into some other thread and trying the same thing (vote without selection) that didn't add to the top one in the list.

Correct'A?
From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:14:35 2009.

Bala, a doubt. Does Annalakshmi actually say "naan padicha poNNu, unnaiya maadhiri sandiyanaiyA kattippEn" at some point? Vague memories. That was also a nicely-done scene. She is actually creating a defence mechanism there - beautifully captured

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:15:56 2009.

app_engine wrote:

enna unit test paNNiNinga? How does it prove that the 15th vote is not yours?

My guess - he clicked "vote" without any selection (i.e. darkening of one of the radio buttons).

It disallows him from voting anymore, while not adding the number to any in the list.

His doubt was whether the top one was selected by default (and so the addition to make it to the leading 15 was his by mistake).

He resolved that it was not, by getting into some other thread and trying the same thing (vote without selection) that didn't add to the top one in the list.

Correct'A?

azhagAna kavidhai. arpudhamAna viLakkam. parisu umakkE!

(Whats the exact dialogue in thiruviLayAdal?)

From: joe on Thu Nov 12 12:16:16 2009.

15-15

From: Nerd on Thu Nov 12 12:16:41 2009.

Maddy,
POttaachu. Neenga pOttIngannA, #3 aayidum, which is #1 to me in a Kamal-fans dominated kub.

ஆமாம், இதை இவ்வளவு நேரம் கழிச்சுப் போட்டு நீங்க சாதிச்சது என்னவோ? இது தான் சரின்னா உங்க வீட்டு விட்டத்துலயே தொங்கியிருக்கலாமே?

சும்மா ஒரு general knowledge 'க்கு கேட்டேன்.

adhaavadhu, thalaivar padangaL maadhiri, modhalla adi vaangittu (underdags) kadEsila munnEruradhu enakku pudikkum. This strategy has never been successful though. Tried it in the Surya Vs Maddy thread as well. I mean, imagine a tie with still one or two votes for my katchi yet to be cast

I knew which one to pick right from the first page in this thread but Gounder thread maadhiri pala thread-galla, I could not choose immediately etc.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:19:24 2009.

ippo Nov varuvAr. 16-15 aayidum for Venkatachalam
From: joe on Thu Nov 12 12:21:10 2009.

Plum wrote:

ippo Nov varuvAr. 16-15 aayidum for Venkatachalam

From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 12:26:17 2009.

app_engine,
muRRilum sari. theLivAna karuththukkaL. Smile

"anni cheppaalaa neekku?" 'nnu Plum kitta kEkkalAmnA adhukkuLLa, adhukkuLLa nInga.

Bala, a doubt. Does Annalakshmi actually say "naan padicha poNNu, unnaiya maadhiri sandiyanaiyA kattippEn" at some point? Vague memories. That was also a nicely-done scene. She is actually creating a defence mechanism there - beautifully captured

Yes, excellent scene. "Aththi, ungakkALukku purinjiduchchu dOi!"

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:29:30 2009.

"anni cheppaalaa neekku?" 'nnu Plum kitta kEkkalAmnA adhukkuLLa, adhukkuLLa nInga.

app_engine,
muRRilum sari. theLivAna karuththukkaL. Smile

Yes, excellent scene. "Aththi, ungakkALukku purinjiduchchu dOi!"

Hey, I tried the same thing - it doesnt work that way!

I went to a thread where I hadnt voted, checked the results, and submitted vote without selecting an option. I got the options again.

From: app_engine on Thu Nov 12 12:31:56 2009.

Plum wrote:

I went to a thread where I hadnt voted, checked the results, and submitted vote without selecting an option. I got the options again.

That's right, so equa can vote now (unless there's some other hitch)
From: equanimus on Thu Nov 12 12:33:24 2009.

Nerd wrote:

I mean, imagine a tie with still one or two votes for my katchi yet to be cast

adhu sari dhAn. adhukku nInga thidIrnu illa varaNum. nInga reNdu pErum ennannA, rendu vote bAkki, rendu vote bAkki.. 'nnu sollittE irukkInga!
From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 12:33:43 2009.

ippa thAn indha thread kaLai kattuthu.
From: joe on Thu Nov 12 12:35:27 2009.

அம்மா ,ஐயா ..யாராவது இண்டு இடுக்கு சந்து பொந்துல ஒளிஞ்சிட்டிருந்தா வந்து ஓட்டு போடுங்கப்பா

From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 12:38:23 2009.

அம்மா ,ஐயா ..யாராவது இண்டு இடுக்கு சந்து பொந்துல ஒளிஞ்சிட்டிருந்தா வந்து ஓட்டு போடுங்கப்பா Smile

அப்படியே எந்த படத்துக்குன்னு சொல்றது.

From: Plum on Thu Nov 12 12:39:09 2009.

The glitch I think is that equa must have selected anbe sivam 'accidentally' before submitting vote. Idhukku freudian explanation edhavadhu ippo prabhu ram koduppAr(preferrably involving kian )

From: Raikkonen on Thu Nov 12 12:40:41 2009.

noothana request ah irukku

From: Nerd on Thu Nov 12 12:53:23 2009.

adhu sari dhAn. adhukku nInga thidIrnu illa varaNum. nInga reNdu pErum ennannA, rendu vote bAkki, rendu vote bAkki.. 'nnu sollittE irukkInga! Smile

I mean, imagine a tie with still one or two votes for my katchi yet to be cast Smoke Smile

Hero dhAn jeyikkappORaar-nu theriyum namakku. Opponents side-la oru "terror"um irukkum, naanga adikkadi uRuminaal.

Btw, idhula edhuvum nadakkAttiyum, I like doing that. AvlOdhaan.

From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 12:57:09 2009.

adhu sari dhAn. adhukku nInga thidIrnu illa varaNum. nInga reNdu pErum ennannA, rendu vote bAkki, rendu vote bAkki.. 'nnu sollittE irukkInga! Smile

I mean, imagine a tie with still one or two votes for my katchi yet to be cast Smoke Smile

Hero dhAn jeyikkappORaar-nu theriyum namakku. Opponents side-la oru "terror"um irukkum, naanga adikkadi uRuminaal.

Btw, idhula edhuvum nadakkAttiyum, I like doing that. AvlOdhaan.

edhukku nadakkAthu. Only five more votes to tie with leader.

From: Anban on Thu Nov 12 13:12:02 2009.

ellorum avanga fake-id-ya vatchuttu summaavaa irukkaanga??

From: Movie Cop on Thu Nov 12 13:29:32 2009.

joe wrote:

equanimus wrote:

Oh, nAn dhAn andha 15 'Avadhu vote'A?!

அன்பே சிவம்

Viru Katchiyinergale,
Equa accidentally voting for AS - reminds me of '99 WC semi finals. Hershelle Gibbs dropping Steve Waugh... Steve Waugh, "Sorry mate, you dropped the waaald cup!"

Irony is it that AS is leading Viru by 1 vote!

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 13:48:05 2009.

Bala
Violence played major role in most of the great movies I have seen in my life. Either violence by mankind or violence by God(nature) whatever you want to call. For example violence is part of all this movies mahanadhi, hey ram, devar magan anbe sivam and virumaandi. Another great example is apu triology of satyajit ray. How it is portrayed in the screen was the problem. In Apur Sansar, the heroine dies during delivery of baby. The scene was so touching and depressing even without showing actual heroine. Hero comes to know that from the letter about this death. It was done by Satyajit Ray so greatly that he had shown the effect without having to show the heroine's face itself. My concern about Virumaandi was you don't have to show hands falling down from the body so clearly to depict the violence. Not only Indian Cinema even the world cinema is against this one. There were lot of objections against Saving Private Ryan for showing violence in bloody true form. Steven spielberg had to make campaign to defend that.

TA,
Actually when i made that post i wanted to mention the popular line about Ray turning the camera away from violence. This is a popular argument put forward to counter violence in films. World is against that nu ellam sollave mudiyadhunga. In fact, namma oor pondra naadugalla dhaan censorship indha range ku irukku.
One more thing is that styles, sensibilities and the definition of what is palatable by the audience changes over time.
Bunuel's "The Forgotten Ones" andha kaalathukku shocking a irundhirukkum and though it is a very violent film, ippo naama cinema la pakkara violence madhiri irukkaadhu. And B/W era sandaikkaatchigal ellam pathomna ippo vedikkaya irukkum. Even sexuality was a sensitive subject on screen. Ovvoru kaala kattathula thadaigall udayum, mores change, get redefined, illeengala? Kurusowa's Ran - if you are not going to show limbs being severed what are you going to show in the battle scenes? Battle is deadly, life is violent.
That scene you mentioned worked for Apur Sansar. Adhu andha cinema-kunga, idhu vera cinema. Not all films need to be the same, illeengala? "Violence irukku aana adha kaattaama irukkalaame" podhuva kekkaradhu nyayam illadhadhu IMO.
I repeat, if you take away the violence (= not showing it on screen as you prefer it) from Virumaandi, it is not longer Virumaandi, it becomes something else.

From: Movie Cop on Thu Nov 12 13:49:08 2009.

I cracked some semblance of reason why I find MGR films rewatchable. Not masala, not the events, not anything. Anyone would be mystified and wondering after a peek, on how this person ever had a business at acting, let alone turn out to be a star of epic proportions. First, the unconventional looks which breaks the general norms of masculinity but redefine 'authority' into a whole new prototype. Which in truth is still unknown, almost alien to anything cinema has ever seen. Not one thing in his mannerism, dance and fight so be it, would be called authentic or natural (ironically some people feel the contrary, they think it's charisma, natural acting, etc). And no one, absolutely no one could ever produce that effect. Many had failed to master it and falsely believed into it (incl. the man in PR's avatar).

On the other hand, other tamil stars like Sivaji, Kamal, Rajini, etc had something going for them (talent definitely), and in latter two cases, they had so much inspiration from inside (Sivaji, and for Kamal, even Nagesh) and outside at instances (Chaplin for Kamal, Bret* Lee for Rajini). MGR factor still remains something of a mystery.

*-Bruce.

Thilak,
I personally feel that MGR is grossly underrated as an actor. Many think that MGR can't act for nuts which is a very extreme accusation. Agreed he is no Sivaji Ganesan or even a Gemini Ganesan when it comes to histrionics but as an actor he was at least on par with some of the other heroes during those times. When you get time, check out some of his pre-Nadodi Mannan movies... He was OK, as an actor. And yes, he very much underplayed his roles that directors may have even complained within themselves, "ivaru kudutha kaasuku innum konjam aavadhu nadicha thevalai".

On a comic note,
1950's-la, Vaathiyar (under)acted in many Robinhood-sque roles... Adharku badhilla, namma Vaathiyar Sathyajit Ray oda slow motion picturesla (under)act panni irundha at least 1-2 national awards aavadhu kedachurikkum!

From: kalyan on Thu Nov 12 13:51:03 2009.

'அன்பே சிவ'த்துக்கு பதினாறாவது வாக்காளர் அடியேன் தான்

உள்ளேன் அய்யா

'anbe sivam' ranks right on top in my all time fav list along with salangai oli, nayakan, pesum padam, apoorva sahotharargaL, MMKR and mahanadi (in chronological order). virumaandi ranks nowhere near these movies, in my humble opinion, as it had lots of loose ends.

the other movie which made my jaw drop was 'aalavandaan' (only the first 2 hours), especially the drug induced hallucinations sequence, fantastic to say the least. the notable aspect of the movie was the screenplay where the audience will figure out the reason behind every action in a in a scene, not until after the next couple of scenes get over(gone are the good old days when MGR used to come and wink at the camera to reveal his identity when he is in disguse, the மாறுவேஷம் comprising of a ஒட்டு மீசை and மச்சம் on his cheeks

). the big let down was of course the music and the last 40 minutes.

'Hey Ram' was beautiful in patches but the தமிழ்க்கொலை by SRK, rani mukherjee, saurabh shukla, atul kulkarni, abbas and others was too much of a hinderance to involve emotionally with the movie and its characters. also it had a bit of திணிக்கப்பட்ட காட்சிகள் during the ambulance-violence scenes. it basically lacked the finesse of 'pesum padam' or 'salangai oli' in the final product.

So my unanimous choice is அன்பே சிவம்

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 13:52:18 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

Steve Waugh, "Sorry mate, you dropped the waaald cup!"

//Dig: Adhu oru popular myth-num, Manoharan appadi sollave illainum padichadha nyabagam
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 14:03:36 2009.

By the by, MC, unga vaakku endha padathukku nu marandhu pochu...
From: Movie Cop on Thu Nov 12 14:06:30 2009.

Of course, Viru!
From: kalyan on Thu Nov 12 14:07:05 2009.

[quote="Bala (Karthik)] //Dig: Adhu oru popular myth-num, Manoharan appadi sollave illainum padichadha nyabagam[/quote]

Bala,

யார் அந்த 'மனோகரன்'? ஆர எஸ் மனோகரா??
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 14:09:57 2009.

<Dig>
Kalyan,
Sinnappullayila naanum enga annanum oru weird theory/practice vechiruppom. Naming faces - mugangalukku nu peru perceive pannuvom. Appadi vechadhu dhaan Manoharan, for Steve Waugh's face. Somehow, i still can't shake that name off when i refer to him (one of my friends addresses him as "vaailiye violin vaasikkaravan")
</Dig>
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Nov 12 14:10:46 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

Of course, Viru!

Romba nalladhunga!

From: kalyan on Thu Nov 12 14:17:57 2009.

<Dig>
Kalyan,
Sinnappullayila naanum enga annanum oru weird theory/practice vechiruppom. Naming faces - mugangalukku nu peru perceive pannuvom. Appadi vechadhu dhaan Manoharan, for Steve Waugh's face. Somehow, i still can't shake that name off when i refer to him (one of my friends addresses him as "vaailiye violin vaasikkaravan")
</Dig>

ரெம்ப நல்ல தியரிங்க ஆப்பீசர்

இவ்வளவுதானா இன்னும் இதுபோல நிறைய கைவசம் இருக்கா?

btw, ஆண்டவர் முகத்துக்கு என்ன பேரு perceive பண்ணுனீங்க?

From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 14:22:24 2009.

TA,
Actually when i made that post i wanted to mention the popular line about Ray turning the camera away from violence. This is a popular argument put forward to counter violence in films. World is against that nu ellam sollave mudiyadhunga. In fact, namma oor pondra naadugalla dhaan censorship indha range ku irukku.
One more thing is that styles, sensibilities and the definition of what is palatable by the audience changes over time.
Bunuel's "The Forgotten Ones" andha kaalathukku shocking a irundhirukkum, though it is a very violent film. Aana ippo naama cinema la pakkara violence madhiri irukkaadhu. And B/W era sandaikkaatchigal ellam pathomna ippo vedikkaya irukkum. Even sexuality was a sensitive subject on screen. Ovvoru kaala kattathula thadaigall udayum, mores change, get redefined, illeengala? Kurusowa's Ran - if you are not going to show limbs being severed what are you going to show in the battle scenes? Battle is deadly, life is violent.
That scene you mentioned worked for Apur Sansar. Adhu andha cinema-kunga, idhu vera cinema. Not all films need to be the same, illeengala? "Violence irukku aana adha kaattaama irukkalaame" podhuva kekkaradhu nyayam illadhadhu IMO.
I repeat, if you take away the violence (= not showing it on screen as you prefer it) from Virumaandi, it is not longer Virumaandi, it becomes something else.

Ok. Bala. If you are satisfied with the violence then I am fine. I can't take it and that is all.
On the same way in Mahandhi when Krishnaswamy's daughter was staying in Minister's place before she was sent to Brothel in Calcutta. The politician goes inside the room along with the kid and room was being closed. This is one of the things which was mentioned subtly with a great impact. Even Kamal did what Satyajit Ray would do for the same thing. Probably that could be one of the reason I rate kamal's 90's better than current movies.

From: tamizharasan on Thu Nov 12 14:39:25 2009.

Two good news for me. Subramaniapuram got one vote and Anbe Sivam is the current leader.
From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 23:24:11 2009.

equanimus wrote:

இது தான் சரின்னா உங்க வீட்டு விட்டத்துலயே தொங்கியிருக்கலாமே?

Plum, Equa-ku Freudian explanation ellAm kidaiyAdhunga. avar dhaan amoeba, hydra range aachchE. maRandhutteengaLA

B(K) wrote:

Manoharan

From: P_R on Thu Nov 12 23:35:38 2009.

My humble submission is that Dhool, Saamy and Ghilli are not as entertaining as they have been made out to be.

<pauses to wear helmet, pads and ab-guard>
Ayan is more entertaining than all of them.

Wholeheartedly agree with last part. But for reasons not related to Surya. Wink

Even mine aren't necessarily about Surya.
It was a pretty well written, well performed, racy, good-looking movie.

From: jaiganes on Fri Nov 13 2:13:30 2009.

yaaruppa naan kadavulukku vote pannadhu?
kai thoookungappa. Welcome to the club
namma ennikkai 2 madangaaiduchubaa.
From: groucho070 on Fri Nov 13 2:18:40 2009.

Anbe Sivam 17 Try harder Viru-ers.
From: Plum on Fri Nov 13 2:44:55 2009.

ennatha try. Anbe Sivam "paduthukittE jeyikkudhu". idhu TN-ku oNNum pudhusillaiyE
From: viraajan on Fri Nov 13 3:00:16 2009.

The satisfaction that I get after watching Anbe Sivam is something that only a few movies can give. Thanks to Kamal, Maddy and the Dialogues. Anjaadhe (have watched it only once) was very fresh and the treatment was good. Chennai 28 made me and at the same time as how VP managed to make one full length movie with a wafer thin concept of Gully Cricket. Kaadhal was one such movie that ruined my peace of mind for few days. The impact that it created is unforgettable. Barath's performance is still fresh in my mind. Kannathil Muthamittal - What I can call as a 'complete movie'. Absolutely a great performance from Simran, Maddy, Keerthana and wonderful cinematography and mesmerizing background score. One of my alltime favorites.

Naan Kadavul again a great movie but for some reasons I found it 'incomplete'. Paruthiveeran was a trendsetter (IMO) and I was stunned when i watched it in theater during the first week of it's release. I was very much satisfied with the performance of the artists, camera and the background score. But it was strange that I did not find it very very interesting when I watched it for second time. However, it sure is one of the best movies in recent times. Pithamagan - Liked it mainly for performance and the portrayal of characters and human emotions. Subramaniapuram - I can't believe that a debutant has done this great movie. Climax - Out of the world.

And the last but not the least, Viru virumaandi virumandi Screenplay of this movie was very new to Tamil Cinema. Narrating the same incident in two perspectives. Loved the narration to the core. One of the best movies of all time. Kamal @ his best in as an Actor, Director, Screenplay etc. (I heard that the idea is inspired from a holly movie. Not sure to what extent the inspiration was. Just the idea or the whole narrative style or the story. Original pAthavanga yaaravadhu opinion sollunga piliiss)

With that my vote goes to - Viru viru maandi virumandi
From: P_R on Fri Nov 13 3:07:40 2009.

பிளம், உங்க ஸ்டைல்ல ஏதாவது smear campaign ஆரம்பிச்சா தான் இது சரிப்பட்டு வரும். சும்மா, நல்லம்மன் பஞ்சாயத்துல விருமாண்டி பேசுனா மாதிரி இருக்கணும் வம்பிழுப்பு.
From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Nov 13 3:12:17 2009.

Yaaru andha 16th nu paatheen, Viraajan

BTB, regarding your kostin, adha pathi inga yerkanave discussion odiruchu...
From: Plum on Fri Nov 13 3:15:04 2009.

Viraajan, unga pErula irukka "vir"-ku justification kuduthuttInga

From: Plum on Fri Nov 13 3:16:18 2009.

பிளம், உங்க ஸ்டைல்ல ஏதாவது smear campaign ஆரம்பிச்சா தான் இது சரிப்பட்டு வரும். சும்மா, நல்லம்மன் பஞ்சாயத்துல விருமாண்டி பேசுனா மாதிரி இருக்கணும் வம்பிழுப்பு.

Already start paNNiyAchu smear campaign:

ennatha try. Anbe Sivam "paduthukittE jeyikkudhu". idhu TN-ku oNNum pudhusillaiyE Smile

From: viraajan on Fri Nov 13 3:24:09 2009.

Bala and Plum
From: joe on Fri Nov 13 3:34:55 2009.

அன்பே சிவத்துக்கு எதிராக ஆண்டவரின் பக்தர்கள் ஓட்டு வேட்டை
From: Plum on Fri Nov 13 3:43:45 2009.

joe wrote:

அன்பே சிவத்துக்கு எதிராக ஆண்டவரின் பக்தர்கள் ஓட்டு வேட்டை

nAnlAm bhkathan illInga. indha kadaila sarakku thIrndhA, adutha kadaikku pOikittE iruppOm. idhu therinju dhAn Bala Karthik, Anban ellAm oru distance-lEye vechurukkAnga enna sangathulErundhu

From: P_R on Fri Nov 13 5:14:09 2009.

அன்பே சிவத்துக்கு எதிராக ஆண்டவரின் பக்தர்கள் ஓட்டு வேட்டை Laughing

nAnlAm bhkathan illInga. indha kadaila sarakku thIrndhA, adutha kadaikku pOikittE iruppOm. idhu therinju dhAn Bala Karthik, Anban ellAm oru distance-lEye vechurukkAnga enna sangathulErundhu Laughing

சரக்கு நிறைய இருக்கும்போது நீங்க இங்க இல்லீங்களே

From: MADDY on Fri Nov 13 5:19:40 2009.

im going to complain to cyber crime officials to find out who is voting for Kannathil Muthamittal.......

maniratnathukku jai-nnu oru vaarthayavadhu sollittu vote podalaame ....
From: Plum on Fri Nov 13 5:23:01 2009.

Maddy, oru conspiracy theory sollavA? Everytime a vote is cast for Virumandi, AS will get a vote in a few hours. Same for kaadhal-KM
From: MADDY on Fri Nov 13 5:29:32 2009.

Plum wrote:

Maddy, oru conspiracy theory sollavA? Everytime a vote is cast for Virumandi, AS will get a vote in a few hours. Same for kaadhal-KM

hmm, this piece cant be ignored
From: equanimus on Fri Nov 13 5:55:15 2009.

நான் தான் சொல்றேனே, அன்பே சிவத்தை அடிச்சுக்க முடியாது. நீங்க எல்லாம் "என் நெலம், என் கெணறு, தண்ணி வருமப்பா!" 'ன்னு வெட்டிக்கிட்டே இருக்க வேண்டியது தான்.

From: Plum on Fri Nov 13 6:03:39 2009.

நான் தான் சொல்றேனே, அன்பே சிவத்தை அடிச்சுக்க முடியாது. நீங்க எல்லாம் "என் நெலம், என் கெணறு, தண்ணி வருமப்பா!" 'ன்னு வெட்டிக்கிட்டே இருக்க வேண்டியது தான்.

Good one!

From: Thirumaran on Fri Nov 13 6:05:56 2009.

Anbe Sivam Ithukellaam ethukku iththana pakkathukku post panni muttikittu irukeenga

Let us close the thread
From: Plum on Fri Nov 13 6:10:55 2009.

soltArubA socrates!
From: leosimha on Fri Nov 13 6:13:44 2009.

Plum wrote:

soltArubA socrates!

wait pannunga...innum plato sollavillai...

From: AudazJay on Mon Nov 16 3:33:38 2009.

maniratnathukku jai-nnu oru vaarthayavadhu sollittu vote podalaame Huh?!

im going to complain to cyber crime officials to find out who is voting for Kannathil Muthamittal....... Evil or Very Mad

Ithukellam ethuke complain pannenum? I voted for KM too

Jai Mani

From: MADDY on Mon Nov 16 3:42:27 2009.

AudazJay wrote:

maniratnathukku jai-nnu oru vaarthayavadhu sollittu vote podalaame Huh?!

im going to complain to cyber crime officials to find out who is voting for Kannathil Muthamittal....... Evil or Very Mad

as of now: Anbe Sivam is the topper with virumandi runnerup......kaadhal and KM share 3rd spot

Ithukellam ethuke complain pannenum? I voted for KM too Embarassed

Jai Mani

From: Kalyasi on Mon Nov 16 3:55:55 2009.

AudazJay wrote:

maniratnathukku jai-nnu oru vaarthayavadhu sollittu vote podalaame Huh?!

im going to complain to cyber crime officials to find out who is voting for Kannathil Muthamittal....... Evil or Very Mad

as of now: Anbe Sivam is the topper with virumandi runnerup......kaadhal and KM share 3rd spot Cool

Ithukellam ethuke complain pannenum? I voted for KM too Embarassed

Jai Mani

I am also the KM Jai Mani!!

From: Sanjeevi on Mon Nov 16 4:31:04 2009.

Common Bala fans make Pithamagan to win
From: Plum on Mon Nov 16 4:38:53 2009.

Sanjeevi wrote:

Common Bala fans make Pithamagan to win

kamaan Bala aNNan fans, make Virumandi to win
From: salaam_chennai on Mon Nov 16 4:40:16 2009.

Movie of the decade for me is Kaadhal. Chennai-28 comes next. To avoid the embarrassment of ending with 0 votes, i voted for Chennai-28
From: NOV on Mon Nov 16 4:44:48 2009.

ennOda ponnaana vaakkai engu pOdalaamaa? udhavikku varalaamaa....

as of now, I am tilted towards vir vir virumandi but this may change too...
From: Plum on Mon Nov 16 4:47:31 2009.

NOV wrote:

ennOda ponnaana vaakkai engu pOdalaamaa? udhavikku varalaamaa....

as of now, I am tilted towards vir vir virumandi but this may change too...

nalla karyatha thaLLi vekkapadadhu. ippOve Viru-kku oru vote pOdunga.
ada, aprama vEra padathukku pOdanumnu thOnichunnA, ungaLAla mudiyAdha kariyamA enna?
From: NOV on Mon Nov 16 4:54:30 2009.

Plum wrote:

nalla karyatha thaLLi vekkapadadhu. ippOve Viru-kku oru vote pOdunga.
aarambiththilErndhu confusion thaat... AS, KM or Vir vEnumnu thalli pOdala...

Quote:

ada, aprama vEra padathukku pOdanumnu thOnichunnA, ungaLAla mudiyAdha kariyamA enna?
criminal mind ullavar thaan primary suspect... need to check your background.
From: littlemaster1982 on Mon Nov 16 5:02:23 2009.

salaam_chennai wrote:

Movie of the decade for me is Kaadhal. Chennai-28 comes next. To avoid the embarrassment of ending with 0 votes, i voted for Chennai-28

Salaam Ippadi oru vote-ai aniyaayama maatthi pottutteengale
From: salaam_chennai on Mon Nov 16 5:17:54 2009.

lm, I was waiting for the past 4 days that someone will vote for CH-28. But, no one did , So adiyen konjam unarchi vasa pattutEn. Sorry Kadhal movie fans. vidunga, ithu state election thaane, namma central electionla paathukalaam.
From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 16 5:48:27 2009.

NOV wrote:

ennOda ponnaana vaakkai engu pOdalaamaa? udhavikku varalaamaa....

as of now, I am tilted towards vir vir virumandi but this may change too...

Read like Poornam 'Punjabi' Viswanathan
"Ayyo! idhu ennadhidhu.. dha ba.. indha hub moderator neenga, neenga poi innum vote podaama, idhellam thappilliya? Ippadi ketta ennamellam varapdaadhu, vaango udane kovilukku polaam. Eeswara, bhagavaane! Pottudungo, Virumaandi ku chattunu pottudungo!"
From: joe on Mon Nov 16 5:52:14 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

vaango udane kovilukku polaam. Eeswara, bhagavaane!"

Ithellam sollitu Anbe Sivam -kku podallinna eppadi

From: Plum on Mon Nov 16 6:09:10 2009.

nalla karyatha thaLLi vekkapadadhu. ippOve Viru-kku oru vote pOdunga.

aarambiththilErndhu confusion thaat... AS, KM or Vir Confused2

vEnumnu thalli pOdala...

Quote:

ada, aprama vEra padathukku pOdanumnu thOnichunnA, ungaLAla mudiyAdha kariyamA enna? Wink

criminal mind ullavar thaan primary suspect... need to check your background. thinking

nallA check paNNi sollungO. apdi edhAvadhu duplicate id irundhA, please share the details with me so that I can use it in future polls

From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 16 6:12:33 2009.

joe wrote:

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

vaango udane kovilukku polaam. Eeswara, bhagavaane!"

Ithellam sollitu Anbe Sivam -kku podallinna eppadi
From: NOV on Mon Nov 16 8:32:12 2009.

Plum wrote:

nallA check paNNi sollungO. apdi edhAvadhu duplicate id irundhA, please share the details with me so that I can use it in future polls
I know you are from chennai, but do tell me, who is rajdes
From: NOV on Mon Nov 16 8:34:59 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Pottudungo, Virumaandi ku chattunu pottudungo!"
75% ennOda vote Virumandi kku thaan Bala, innum oru naal yOsichittu kandippaa 24 hrs la pOttudurEn
From: tamizharasan on Mon Nov 16 12:03:06 2009.

NOV wrote:

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Pottudungo, Virumaandi ku chattunu pottudungo!"
75% ennOda vote Virumandi kku thaan Bala, innum oru naal yOsichittu kandippaa 24 hrs la pOttudurEn

kavuththuttIngalE
From: P_R on Mon Nov 16 12:14:16 2009.

NOV wrote:

75% ennOda vote Virumandi kku thaan Bala
The frequentist in me interprets that as: 75% of your votes are for VirumANdi. That's good !
From: Anban on Mon Nov 16 12:16:48 2009.

P_R wrote:

NOV wrote:

75% ennOda vote Virumandi kku thaan Bala
The frequentist in me interprets that as: 75% of your votes are for VirumANdi. That's good !
that means that NOV has atleast 4 IDs..so atleast 3 votes for virumandi..
From: NOV on Mon Nov 16 23:10:35 2009.

voted for virumandi
From: NOV on Mon Nov 16 23:15:46 2009.

it will be fine with me if any of the top five win, as all of them are worthy.

kamal - 2
surya, vikram, bharath, maddy - 1 each.
From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 17 13:57:06 2009.

Nov, thanks for your vote to Viru
For now, Viru, the joint Gold medalist along with AS!

"Kaadhal" leading the race for the Bronze medal, at least!
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 18 0:16:18 2009.

viumandi breaks into lead
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Nov 18 1:46:35 2009.

I voted for Annan Viruman btw, thalaiver Anbe sivam eduthuttu, padam oda rembba try panni, tn makkalai thookathilernthu ezhuppa mudiyaama failure aagi, antha kovathula eduthathu thaan viru viru maandi.

anbu - 2003 pongal
viru - 2004 pongal

but, padam superhit aachunnaalum ethirpaartha alavukku pongala. at the sametime the film was well regarded in media, TV and general film going public. Happy to see its taking lead here
From: Plum on Wed Nov 18 1:48:09 2009.

21-19, first game to Virumandi .
From: Scale on Wed Nov 18 2:13:17 2009.

Just 4 votes for PV is really depressing. jc, matha moonu vottu yaar potadhu?
From: equanimus on Wed Nov 18 5:43:17 2009.

Plum wrote:

21-19, first game to Virumandi .

adhu pOna vAram.
From: Aalavanthan on Wed Nov 18 6:32:04 2009.

kalla vote- time thodangina maadhiri theriyudhu

Tight Race - Lets call it a day/night/afternoon and announce both Arivaal and Anbu as joint Winners
From: NOV on Wed Nov 18 8:30:43 2009.

will the punniyavans who voted for AS, please come aboard and announce.
From: Aalavanthan on Wed Nov 18 9:01:24 2009.

hellellov - naan kalla vote nu sonnadhu Viru ku
From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 18 14:07:01 2009.

NOV wrote:

will the punniyavans who voted for AS, please come aboard and announce.

Nalla Sivam was trailing 19-21 to Viru last night. Tonight, Nalla Sivam leading 22-21 over Viru Bhai! Inge enna nadakudhu-nu oniyume piriyalaye... Conpeesion...
From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 18 14:12:05 2009.

NOV wrote:

will the punniyavans who voted for AS, please come aboard and announce.

The message from the movie is so good, even hard campaigning against the movie can't stop the movie it looks like.

From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 18 14:17:03 2009.

The message from the movie is so good, even hard campaigning against the movie can't stop the movie it looks like.

will the punniyavans who voted for AS, please come aboard and announce. Laughing

TA,
Movie message might be good. But dovutu enna na, no one campaigned or made a sound for AS like Viruman or Kaadhal. But still it had got 23 votes. At least, vote-uhh podaravainge, "Nalla Sivam zindabad"-nu solitaavadhu vote-uhh podalaamla... Sound-ehh illa aana vote mattum engirindhu varudhu-nu theriyale... Nammaka theriyaama hub-la neraya "under cover" KH fans irrukainge polairrukku!

From: tamizharasan on Wed Nov 18 14:27:02 2009.

The message from the movie is so good, even hard campaigning against the movie can't stop the movie it looks like.

will the punniyavans who voted for AS, please come aboard and announce. Laughing

I am not even sure whether they are Kamal fans. It may be people like me who voted for Anbe Sivam.

From: VENKIRAJA on Fri Nov 20 7:46:38 2009.

Precisely why P_R and myself like Thamiz M.A. Just felt like quoting it:

[சமூகம்] வன்முறையின் வாசற்படி

Quote:

முகேஷ் அம்பானி 6000 கோடி ரூபாய்க்கு வீடு கட்டுகிறார். மனைவிக்கு பிறந்த நாள் பரிசாக ஜெட் வாங்கி கொடுக்கிறார். அம்பானி நிலைமை அப்படி. கோவம், எரிச்சல், கையலாகததனம் என எல்லாம் சேர்ந்து வருகிறது. விளைவு, இதை 10000 பேர் படிக்கிறார்கள்.1000 பேர்கள் யோசிக்கிறார்கள். 100 பேருக்கு இவனுங்களுக்கு மட்டும் எங்கிருந்து இவ்வளவு காசு, அதிகாரம், ஆணவம், தெனாவெட்டுன்னு நினைக்கிறான். 10 பேருக்கு அவங்க மேல பொறாமை வருது. கோவம் வருது. எரிச்சல் வருது. ஒருத்தனோ ரெண்டு பேரோ அதனாலேயே மாறான், கொலை பண்றான், கொள்ளையடிக்கிறான், திருடறான். வன்முறைக்கு அடிப்படை காரணம் வெறும் கோவம் மட்டுமல்ல, அது வேறுவிதமான வன்முறை. பண்பட்டவர்கள், சீர்தூக்கி பார்க்கிறவர்கள், மத்தியதர வர்க்கமென இதை கண்டும் காணாமலும் போயிடறாங்க. இது வெறியா, கோவமா, அவமானமா, நம்மால முடியலையே, அவன் மட்டும் அனுபவிக்கிறானேன்னு மாறும்போது உள்ளேயிருக்கற வன்முறை வெடிக்குது. பங்காளி சண்டை முதல், பார்டரில் நடக்கும் சண்டை வரைக்கும் எல்லாவற்றுக்குமான அடிப்படை இதுவாக தான் இருக்கமுடியும்.

From: Plum on Fri Nov 20 7:58:32 2009.

nEkku tamizh MA-lAM theriyAdhu but the piece you quoted resonates very well to me. I have thought of this often.

From: MADDY on Fri Nov 20 8:05:52 2009.

Precisely why P_R and myself like Thamiz M.A. Just felt like quoting it:

[சமூகம்] வன்முறையின் வாசற்படி

Quote:

actually, i find it hard to understand how people who work as bloggers in inderned have so much knowledge and understanding of foreign policies and dynamics of terrorism, world poverty, human psycology etc

From: Plum on Fri Nov 20 8:23:10 2009.

appO ella Blogaiyum bomb vechu thookkiralAmA? problem is ungalukku ennada theriyum cinema pathinnu innoruthan HUB-ai thookkiduvAn appuram?

idhukkellAmA Ph D qualification thEvai?

From: MADDY on Fri Nov 20 9:22:14 2009.

appO ella Blogaiyum bomb vechu thookkiralAmA? problem is ungalukku ennada theriyum cinema pathinnu innoruthan HUB-ai thookkiduvAn appuram?

idhukkellAmA Ph D qualification thEvai?

blakkers-kku ellam bomb waste panna padadhu, avanga writings-e oru vazhi aakiddum avangala

.......reg others throwing stone on HUB, enga yahoo grps-la oru kaalathula HUB-a semaya vimarsanam pannainga - naa summa dhaan irundhen

talking abt cinema and weld politics, human psycology are different things IMO.........illaya?

From: Plum on Fri Nov 20 9:24:00 2009.

I dont think so. ellAmE raw data dhAn. nIngaLum nAnum opine pandradhu dhAn psychology students ku raw data. Especially philosophy and psychology are two things al of us are well qualified to comment on based on our life experiences
From: MADDY on Fri Nov 20 9:31:12 2009.

Plum wrote:

Especially philosophy and psychology are two things al of us are well qualified to comment on based on our life experiences

idhu kooda ok but border disputes between 2 countries, reason for wars etc ellam namma purinjikka mudiyura vishayam-nnu solreengala??
From: joe on Fri Nov 20 11:14:59 2009.

அன்பே சிவம் ..அன்பே சிவம் என்போம் !

From: kalyan on Fri Nov 20 19:48:58 2009.

Precisely why P_R and myself like Thamiz M.A. Just felt like quoting it:

[சமூகம்] வன்முறையின் வாசற்படி

Quote:

stupid justification to mask one's impotency. nobody stopped others from launching a business and making it successful.

Mukesh has generated millions of jobs, revenues, forex and runs the biggest manufacturing/service industry based business house in south asia. like most of us, his dad too had started from the scratch in the 1950s. they werent millionaires by birth, Mukesh and Anil were hardly rich by any standards when they were born. anyway, they didnt cheat the public like the politicians or eat public money to become rich. they didnt even make their money by making a generation of indians unhealthy and sick, like the major tobacco and liqour business houses (notably ITC, Wills, Vijay mallya, Wodeyar) do. there is a lot to get inspired from the Ambani family than getting jealous or irritated.

I am not an ambani admirer, but there is a lot to learn from the achievers if you want to win. Badmouthing the achievers is just a way to pacify ones own inadequacy, insecurity and impotency.

People badmouth winners, but don't give a **** about losers.

//end dig//

From: MADDY on Fri Nov 20 23:07:27 2009.

kalyan ........
From: venkkiram on Fri Nov 20 23:51:57 2009.

திரு கல்யாண் ..

உங்கள் பதிவு மனசைத் தொட்டது. அம்பானி போன்ற மனிதனை அழித்தால் எல்லாம் மாறிவிடும் என்ற விசாலமற்ற பார்வைக்கு என்றுமே தெரியாது அம்பானி என்ற மனிதருக்கு பின்னால் வாழ்க்கை நடத்தும் லட்சக்கணக்கானோரின் முயற்சிகள் பற்றி. அம்பானி 6000 கோடிக்கு வீடுகட்டுகிறார் என்றால், அவர் நிறுவனத்தில் வேலைசெய்யும் அடிமட்ட ஊழியர் 6 லட்சத்திற்கு வீடு கட்டுவார். முதலாளித்துவத்தின் கூம்பு வாழ்க்கையில் இது உலக நியதி.

கோபத்தின் ஊற்றை சரியான வழியில் திசைதிருப்பத் தவறியது இது போன்ற ஒன்று இரண்டு மனிதர்கள் மட்டுமல்ல. இதையே அடிநாதமாக வைத்து சினிமா எடுத்து காசு சம்பாரிக்கும் படைப்பாளியும்தான்.

நம்ம பள்ளியில் மனவியல் சம்பந்தமான பாடங்களை வைத்து, சமூகச் சிக்கல்களை, சமூதாய ஏற்றத்தாழ்வுகளை எந்தவிதத்தில் வாழ்க்கையோடு பார்ப்பது போன்றவற்றை சிறுவயது முதல் விளக்கி வந்தால் ஒழிய இதுபோன்ற வன்முறைகளுக்கு விடிவுகாலம் இருக்காது.
From: VENKIRAJA on Sat Nov 21 2:18:55 2009.

I am not arguing on behalf of any side or whatever. I'm just posting my side of the issue.
* I am not against capitalism or making sh*tloads of cash and flashing it on saturday evenings or anything. I will probably do the same in due course of time.

* I do like the film, and partly agree to what it sums up to.

* The crib is not exactly about Ambani or Birla. References, which mean superiority. When we are overshadowed by someone during a presentation or when a neighbour gets a new SUV, do we applaud at the intelligence of the rival or admire the beauty of the european motor? Aren't we jealous, atleast for a minute? (Pulsar-sakkarai syndrome)

* A school kid who was scolded in front of his/her friends attempts suicide the same evening. Is it because her life is darkened by the teacher's remarks? Is it not that the impulse that drives him/her plain crazy?

* The film's protagonist suffers from disturbed childhood, lonely life, poverty, under-employment, love failure, uneasy neighbourhood and an array of other issues besides 'jealousy' or 'insanity' which led him to the devil he became.

* The point is that there are marked differences between one or two guys who accept and curb their impotencies and lead normal lives as everyone or atleast act so like the fellow who sells hankies in railway stations after a post-graduation (C'mon, There are several examples of these. A guy who graduated from my university and didn't get a job anywhere or didn;t stay anywhere or whatever and opened a xerox shop just opposite to the same college. He still does the same job. Another engineer works in the accounts departments of the same colege where he has to do nothing but pin up my certificates and put them in the respective shelves) and those who don't.

* It talks about someone who can go on searching for a female pointlessly in the hills of Maharashtra or smoke pot with some oldies in Andhra without worrying about anything.

* The movie shows someone who is so silly that he can go on and kill a fellow who refuses proper change or even tolerate the fact that others can smooch some chick on the beach when he is forbidden from that luxury.

From: MADDY on Sat Nov 21 2:52:59 2009.

When we are overshadowed by someone during a presentation or when a neighbour gets a new SUV, do we applaud at the intelligence of the rival or admire the beauty of the european motor? Aren't we jealous, atleast for a minute? (Pulsar-sakkarai syndrome)

not everyone and not always......there are times, when someone we know succeeds, it gives us hope that we too have a better future......not all characters in this world are the ones described in blogs and tamil films

in our country, the jealousy stems out of the fact that not all successful people are great, and all great people are not successful.........every street has a man who has come up in life through unfair means or has come up even when being undeserving.......the day our system gives the confidence that "hardwork=success" , all these jealousies will fade away........

Quote:

* The film's protagonist suffers from disturbed childhood, lonely life, poverty, under-employment, love failure, uneasy neighbourhood and an array of other issues besides 'jealousy' or 'insanity' which led him to the devil he became.

picture this, a cab driver in bangalore rapes a call center employee......his family position was such that he could never get proper education and get a decent job and work/flirt with call center girls.......so, he disposes the frustration by raping that hapless girl.......is this justified??? forget balnce of civil society or laws or moral policing - when u "harm" others, then it cant be justified any length......

From: VENKIRAJA on Sat Nov 21 3:39:55 2009.

I don't say that he is right, or that is the way things should be. He is o'course dumb to understand the pun in "TOUCH ME IF YOU DARE!" But, we have guys who make fun of such t-shirt lines on girls right? Some guys say things and some go to the extent of doing it. I admire the creator's idea of portraying such people. I don't support them, but I do accept the fact that such souls exist and are to be taken seriously (partly). I never accepted to Prabhakar's postulates but I just enjoy looking at him. avLO thAn. andha not always-la irukkiRa 'not' : How many characters have captured that part of the society? That is why I like it.

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From: MADDY on Sat Nov 21 6:04:52 2009.

VENKIRAJA wrote:

How many characters have captured that part of the society? That is why I like it.

all my replies were for that blog, which was trying to reason out "why killing mukesh ambani is natural"........about the movie, Tamil M.a tries to emotionally manipulate with the "social commentary" training guns on IT people + the sentiment of "thamizh padichhavanakku indha nelamaya"

i liked kadhal kondein better in this aspect which had powerful & frustrating moments of a mentally imbalanced guy, denied a normal life......the narration also cleverly side steps the social commentaries.....
From: kalyan on Sat Nov 21 9:59:36 2009.

MADDY wrote:

all my replies were for that blog, which was trying to reason out "why killing mukesh ambani is natural"......

Ditto here too

MADDY wrote:

about the movie, Tamil M.a tries to emotionally manipulate with the "social commentary" training guns on IT people + the sentiment of "thamizh padichhavanakku indha nelamaya"

havent watched the movie, but felt just like what you have mentioned when saw a few promos.

From: kalyan on Sat Nov 21 10:17:46 2009.

திரு கல்யாண் ..

உங்கள் பதிவு மனசைத் தொட்டது. .

thanks venki

நம்ம பள்ளியில் மனவியல் சம்பந்தமான பாடங்களை வைத்து, சமூகச் சிக்கல்களை, சமூதாய ஏற்றத்தாழ்வுகளை எந்தவிதத்தில் வாழ்க்கையோடு பார்ப்பது போன்றவற்றை சிறுவயது முதல் விளக்கி வந்தால் ஒழிய இதுபோன்ற வன்முறைகளுக்கு விடிவுகாலம் இருக்காது.

very true. may not be very practical but that is the only way out.

From: kalyan on Sat Nov 21 10:33:43 2009.

in our country, the jealousy stems out of the fact that not all successful people are great, and all great people are not successful.........every street has a man who has come up in life through unfair means or has come up even when being undeserving.......the day our system gives the confidence that "hardwork=success" , all these jealousies will fade away........

couldnt agree more

From: kalyan on Sat Nov 21 10:36:20 2009.

Live update: Anbe Sivam just progressed to 25 votes
From: joe on Sat Nov 21 12:45:21 2009.

Anbe Sivam is in last lap sprint
From: Anban on Sat Nov 21 12:57:16 2009.

46 votes in total

a good 33 clear of the next competitor

aandavaaaa !!
From: podaskie on Sat Nov 21 21:51:26 2009.

Voted for Anbe Sivam
From: tamizharasan on Sun Nov 22 0:39:40 2009.

Looks like Anbe Sivam took commandable lead. Thanks for voting for Anbe Sivam hubbers.
From: joe on Sun Nov 22 1:43:17 2009.

Flash News : அன்பே சிவம் வெற்றி முகம்
From: thamiz on Sun Nov 22 10:51:27 2009.

What happened ?

அண்ணே நல்லசிவம் ரொம்ப மேலே போயிட்டார்!

விருமாண்டி அவரை எட்டிப்பிடிக்க முடியாது போல!
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Nov 22 11:09:12 2009.

as i already said, i voted for Viruman. But iam too glad to see anbe sivam taking lead. padam inga jeyithatharku nichayam santhosham

anbe sivam is not a typical showcase of kamal's talents. the main theme is 'anbe sivam: show love to other humans' will any of us be worrying to see such a film win, in these bad times?!?
From: RajaRam on Sun Nov 22 11:24:22 2009.

அன்பே சிவம் மற்றும் கன்னத்தில் முத்தமிட்டால் படங்களுக்கு வாக்களித்த வாக்காளப் பெருமக்களுக்கு நன்றி.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Nov 22 13:26:01 2009.

thamiz wrote:

What happened ?

அண்ணே நல்லசிவம் ரொம்ப மேலே போயிட்டார்!

விருமாண்டி அவரை எட்டிப்பிடிக்க முடியாது போல! Laughing

still, Kamal the artist is topping the 2 leads

a total of both is 48 which is again high than the total 44

ithai vida verenna perumai irukka mudiyum

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sun Nov 22 21:50:23 2009.

Arivaal anbidam thotrupponadhu
From: MADDY on Sun Nov 22 23:16:44 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Arivaal anbidam thotrupponadhu

Anna, neenga verum anna illa, arignar anna
From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 2:49:22 2009.

நான் அப்பவே சொன்னேன்...
From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 3:05:12 2009.

equanimus wrote:

நான் அப்பவே சொன்னேன்...

enna sonnInga
A) Bala Karthik is Arignar aNNA.
B) Anbe vellum?
C) Art-la democracy velaikkaavadhu
D) None of the above
From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 3:06:17 2009.

(A) and (C) are also true, but I said (B).
From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 3:40:59 2009.

And by the way, Plum, great set of posts on 'virumANdi.' Offers some valuable insights on the film's mysterious finale.

From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 4:19:37 2009.

My big payoff from the movie was Pasupathi and Abhirami's characterisation and the nuanced display of the subculture of Naickers(with all their telugu) and Thevars. The frictions that exist and a more realistic recreation of the landscape (inspite of the obvious problems he faced).

Yeah, think Compli also touched upon this, and this is a key takeaway from Virumandi. It transports you to that world, and without giving us byte-size capsules for digestion, like a Paruthiveeran or Subramnayapuram do. And they got the dialects and languages absolutely right - I have mentioned this a hundred times before but nothing wrong once more - nallamar says "okati ledhu" when he wants to say "onnum illai". The contemporary telugu translation in telugu land today is "Emi ledhu". I suspect that would have been the case then, too. But we are talking about a naicker family whose forefathers settled in TN centuries ago - vide the corruption of their mother tongue to literal translations of tamil expressions. Beautifully done, and who would even notice it, unless, like me, you happened to know the telugu language in its native form, and naicker families in and around Madurai?

I say, even with my knowledge of telugu, I would have missed this if not for personally knowing naicker family scions who speak like that, and I have observed this quirk in their language before.

Which is why, when I watch a Kamal movie (a serious one) in the future, even in a mileu I know not much about, I will be reasonably confident that he is registering a mileu, a time period in that milieu, a set of people authentically.

From: joe on Mon Nov 23 5:37:00 2009.

ஆத்திகம் பேசும் அடியாருக்கோ சிவமே அன்பாகும்
நாத்திகம் பேசும் நல்லவருக்கோ அன்பே சிவமாகும்

அன்பே சிவம் ..அன்பே சிவம்
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Nov 23 5:44:29 2009.

ArivaaL than Arivaal 21 votes secure pannichi illayaa, so we can say ArivaaL Anbukku Vazhi vittathu. It didn't fail, actually, its in 2nd place.

Note: Not a Counter to Arignar Annar Bala, but just my cents
From: leosimha on Mon Nov 23 5:45:47 2009.

Anbe Sivam...Anbe Sivam...wonderful movie....knock-out performance from Kamal Hassar...hats off to him....
From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 6:16:44 2009.

Anbae Sivam will top over Virumaandi in all aspects except the "commercial" piece whereever the competition is/will be held.

Indha poll resultsa paathutu santhosha padura mudha aal Mr. Sundar C yaathaan irukum avaruku adichudhu paaruya lucku !

Anbae Sivam-ku
Virumandi-ku
From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 23 6:31:20 2009.

equanimus wrote:

(A) and (C) are also true, but I said (B).

Plau(m),
Venumte "As Bala rightly said.." kettu vaangi tharela?

From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 6:46:30 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

Anbae Sivam will top over Virumaandi in all aspects except the "commercial" piece whereever the competition is/will be held.

Indha poll resultsa paathutu santhosha padura mudha aal Mr. Sundar C yaathaan irukum Laughing

avaruku adichudhu paaruya lucku !

Anbae Sivam-ku Not Worthy

Virumandi-ku Thumbs Up!

allOv, poll-la jeyichudhu ok. Virumandi is a better film

From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 7:33:19 2009.

Plum,
If anbae sivam was not in the list, I would have gone for Viru..

The problem that I have with Viru is its second half. The first half is by far the best screenplay the tamil cinema have ever produced (a unique one as well with double narration of a single story). I have read all your posts and totally agree with you on the story, screenplay and dialogues observations.

But but, as I said earlier which might have gone unnoticed, I would have wanted to see a much thinner Kamal in the jail scenes. The pace of the movie IMO, in the second half was thaduthufied by thalaivar's physic. Thats my point of view. Size does matter, doesnt it ?

I am also one of the million PRs who thought the final interview was unnecessary, but your posts proved me wrong.

My conscience wakes me up here to say that I am also a fan of Virumaandi and was fighting with 10 other guys to say that the movie is great when it got released.

Climax in Anbae Sivam is again a unique one. Leave alone the fact that Kamal will never get his girl with his "anbukaaga" concept becoz of the friendship that he has with Maddy. The plot that makes you feel better is that he has won his race against Nasser to raise the stack from 910 and Santhanabharathy's apologies in the end makes you feel much more better.

and there is a message that Kamal wanted to send "unga pozhapula naan thalaiyida maataen.. pozhaichi ponga" with a nakkal smile.. I dont know to whom he offered those words but truly amazing end.

The movie never changed its plot right from the first scene !

Again, if there is a thread without AS, Sandiyar wud rule !
From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 7:53:33 2009.

AV, unga thOttam . AdhukkAga sollala - indha Anbe Sivam-oda prachnai ennAnna, message. perumbaalum, the perceived message of AnbE Sivam is the reason it is quoted as one of Kamal's best in recent times over Viru. Equa alluded to this in this very thread.

idhula enooda prachnai ennAnna, anbe sivam-la...
...I am not sure if Kamal intended the message as the core of the movie, or it was a peg he hanged his other aspects of the movie in. I am tending to the latter view of late...detailed study paNNi dhAn indha theory-a develop paNNanum. Speaking for myself, in the first viewing, I tended to the popular view of the movie. Apram equa oru post-la off-hand-A "walking stick" reference pOttaru. adhukkappuram pArkarachE, I began seeing the movie differently...

Paa music 'simple'-nu North Indies makkaL review ezhudharA maadhiri, indha maadhiri Kamal movies-ai namma romba simplify paNNidarOmOnu thOnudhu.

adhu pOga, I have problems with the writing and performance of Nasser in AnbE sivam. Adhukkum mEla, there is Kiran. And many a time, Madhavan just utters something so that Sivam can comeback with a one liner. Australia vs Bermuda maadhiri. Mind you, I enjoyed the IT coolies reference, being a coolie myself, and knowing that it is me who is being addressed in place of Arasu.

The flashback has a lot more fat than necessary - and I am not referring to Kiran's physical attributes.

Sari, that is just my reading, and it might change over time. ippOdhaikku, I see some special brilliance in Viru that I dont see in AS.
From: 19thmay on Mon Nov 23 7:55:11 2009.

I agree that Virumandi is a good movie.
But if this movie is against "killing" why Kothalan was killed by Virumaandi in the climax and in front of Rohini? But still Rohini wants Virumandi to be out of the Annalakshmi murder case

In contrary Anbe Sivam climax was more apt and touching.
From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 8:04:30 2009.

19th may aNNathE, the movie is most definitely not against "killing".
From: 19thmay on Mon Nov 23 8:07:11 2009.

But thats how the movie starts and ends right?
From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 8:14:24 2009.

Interesting that you mentioned about the flashback.

Flashback scenes:

Kamal sings as "nagareega komali"
Kiran doesnt like his father being ill-imitated. Gets a bad impression on Kamal.
Kamal then dragged by Madhan, goes to Nasser's house and Kiran then overcomes her bad impression and asks him to draw a sketch. Kamal sketches her and shows his interest on her ( I thought this particular scene was well shot and the re-recording was mild but beautiful with guitars and a bit of humming with the rain backdrop outside), In between, he gets an important info about "lock out" from Nasser which makes the following scene to come.
The love (as in the movie) develops between Kamal and Kiran with Kamal being dragged to Nasser's place, this time by Kiran.
Nasser now comes to know abt Kamal and Kiran (thanks to Santhanabharathy with his "naaan andha painting-a uthu uthu pathaen" and Nasser with his "daei" with an annoying tone showing his anger on both Kamal and Bharathy
Then comes the accident and the all important "yaar yaar sivam" song.

The theatre sequence with Kamal and Kiran in the dark room was a polished version or a remake version of Kamal and Gouthami in devar maghan. I even thought, how a thinking man who fights for others, would fall for a girl and then in a matter of days would say "no". Oodal pin koodal ngara maadhiri, this was a plot for them to elope.

Extra fat enaku therinji Kiran kita mattum thaanga Padathula illae.
From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 8:20:23 2009.

AV, it is a Kamal movie after all so when you put it like that, there is little to refute
But then one remembers the umbrella fight a la the bench fight in Thoongadhae Thambi Thoongadhae. You can easily ignore that but Nasser is such a caricature and cannot be ignored. And Kiran just cannot pull off that character - as you have written down, there is nothing in there which cannot be naturally pulled off but the problem is Kiran didnt. Nasser needed to be more believable for me.
From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 8:29:18 2009.

You maybe right on the message part Plum.

KB after watching Viru said "the only problem with Kamal is that he wants to show everything and wants to portray everything in one film"

idhu Viruliyum iruku

1. Execution
2. Drugs, prisoner's ill-treat and other prison happenings (again a polished version of Mahanadhi)
3. Kothalan: How a person gets over with his power and money even after being a cause of killing of 25 innocent lives.
4. Court - judges and lawyers cunningness to put an innocent behind bars
5. Police officer - his power over the law to bring down anyone.

in Anbae Sivam.

1. Love is God
2. Communism
3. Social welfare, being a lovable person is different, but to fight for a group of tamil people in Orissa whom you dont even know shows his another view.
4. Mudhaalithuvam

I am not surprised that Kamal handles several areas of his (and others) interest in one screenplay. what say
From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 8:34:37 2009.

Yeah, AV, I guess the way he ties together things, at a surface level, may not be very obvious or satisfying but that is the very reason you want to watch over and over again.
That is why I said "as of now, AS lags behind Viru for me". innum 4 times AS pArthA, who knows what I will excavate? adhukku dhAn jaagradhiya disclaimer add paNNEn.

From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 8:37:24 2009.

AV, it is a Kamal movie after all so when you put it like that, there is little to refute Smile

But then one remembers the umbrella fight a la the bench fight in Thoongadhae Thambi Thoongadhae. You can easily ignore that but Nasser is such a caricature and cannot be ignored. And Kiran just cannot pull off that character - as you have written down, there is nothing in there which cannot be naturally pulled off but the problem is Kiran didnt. Nasser needed to be more believable for me.

appadi ennanga ungaluku Kiran mela kovam

Edho oru padathula avanga sirichhi, azhudhu, kova pattu, nakkal adichi (I loved her reaction when Kamal says "vyabaari ponnu illae" "enna illaingareengala"), kalyaana ponna varaanga.

orae oru padathula urupadiya nadichaa porukaadhae .. did you like Anuradha's voice though ?

hmm. Kiranaiyae pidikalaiyaam (read like Kovai Sarala in Sathi climax after "break pidikala" frm Kamal)

IMO, Sundar C might have been the cause for Kiran's existence in the movie, indha performance paathutu thaan avar winnerla oru weightaana character koduthirupaarunu nenaikiraen

From: complicateur on Mon Nov 23 8:39:08 2009.

Same side goal adikkAthE enRu utkuRal sonna pOthum....

From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 8:44:37 2009.

Yeah, AV, I guess the way he ties together things, at a surface level, may not be very obvious or satisfying but that is the very reason you want to watch over and over again.
That is why I said "as of now, AS lags behind Viru for me". innum 4 times AS pArthA, who knows what I will excavate? adhukku dhAn jaagradhiya disclaimer add paNNEn.

This piece only I want .. Next time idhu maadhiri poll varumbodhu neenga AS ku podunga.. naan kattayama Virumanuku vote poduraen.

Virumaandi patthiyum enaku ezhudhanum.. neenga ellam mundhikiteengo.

One of my many observations from Virumaandi:
Kamal in his intro scene, unusually stands on top of the post (I was thinking, ivar ippadi masala maadhiri panna maatarae). But in the later scenes, his posision was justified when SN Lakshmi says " naan unna current kambathula ninnu vaedikai thaanae paaka sonnaen" - indha aalu eppadi yaa ippadi ellam yosikiraaru

From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 8:52:19 2009.

Compli, I think I was in that discussion in BR's post so firstly, let me apologise for my usual slip-up - I meant to mention you as the "walking stick" referrer, but ended up crediting equa(so, what's new?) though I guess equa might himself also have referred to it somewhere.

Other than that, your defence is quite inspired and opens up a new line of thought - I'll add meat to it, it is not just nostalgia-induced embellishment, it could also be the intoxicating power of his ability to outwit outwardly able acquaintances with his plethora of stories and philosophies. Simply speaking, Sivam might well be carried away by the power of his own narrative and the effect it has on people around him.

Nevertheles, I think the problem I had was with the execution. oNNu rendu clue sprinkle paNNi irukkalAm. Or maybe he hinted to and Kiran failed to bring that out. One cant fault her because Nasser himself couldnt execute it well so no point expecting her to.

Leaving that aside and taking the flashback in its facevalue, it still doesnt work for me. That is really the problem.
From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 9:03:32 2009.

Mr Compli, btw, பழசிராஜா மற்றும் பா பாடல்கள் கேட்டீர்களா? ஏன் இன்னும் இது குறித்து மௌனம்?
பழசிராஜா திரைப்படம் இன்னும் பார்க்கவில்லையா?
From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 9:07:13 2009.

On 'anbE sivam,' one thing that makes the film's message somewhat blunt (on multiple viewings) is how it gets all uncritical and altruistic as it comes to a close. I don't mean to suggest that I don't like the ending. I find the scenes between Nalla and Ars and Nalla's goodbye (among other things) quite moving, but in terms of offering a "message," it seems as if there isn't much at stake.

In this respect, I think Kamal was actually sharper in 'dasAvathAram.' He is far more sly about the "marriage" between theists and atheists here.
From: kid-glove on Mon Nov 23 9:08:32 2009.

Andha interpretation nalla irukku, although it's as close to home and as far-fetched as the kid dying as consequence of Anbarasu's intoxicated blood, a popular view among Kamal fans.
From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 9:12:18 2009.

kid-glove wrote:

the kid dying as consequence of Anbarasu's intoxicated blood, a popular view among Kamal fans.

ஆகா! இதென்ன புதுக் கதை. பாவம் 'ங்க Mr. A Ars.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Nov 23 9:12:29 2009.

kid-glove wrote:

the kid dying as consequence of Anbarasu's intoxicated blood, a popular view among Kamal fans.

From: kid-glove on Mon Nov 23 9:14:33 2009.

the kid dying as consequence of Anbarasu's intoxicated blood, a popular view among Kamal fans.

ஆகா! இதென்ன புதுக் கதை. பாவம் 'ங்க Mr. A Ars.

Appo yarum idha kelvi padaliya...

From: kid-glove on Mon Nov 23 9:15:13 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

kid-glove wrote:

the kid dying as consequence of Anbarasu's intoxicated blood, a popular view among Kamal fans.

Previous night on the train.
From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 9:16:42 2009.

Oh, andha intoxication'A... nA avaru basic 'AvE appadith thAn 'nu solRAngaLOnnu nenachchittEn.

From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 9:23:14 2009.

On 'anbE sivam,' one thing that makes the film's message somewhat blunt (on multiple viewings) is how it gets all uncritical and altruistic as it comes to a close. I don't mean to suggest that I don't like the ending. I find the scenes between Nalla and Ars and Nalla's goodbye (among other things) quite moving, but in terms of offering a "message," it seems as if there isn't much at stake.

In this respect, I think Kamal was actually sharper in 'dasAvathAram.' He is far more sly about the "marriage" between theists and atheists here.

Well said, Equa. In the context of the overwhelming popularity of the message of Anbe Sivam, I should say Bravo.

Can you elaborate on Dasavatharam's sharpness in message more? I mean, I have some theories on that, and have actually written here on that, ungaLa maadhiri periya manushanga enna solrIngannu therinjikkaNum

From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 9:27:06 2009.

By the way, I like Nasser in some of the scenes, though his character is undeniably a caricature. He's really funny in the party scene and the scene in his office with Bala/Nalla ("hehe.. kAmedi...! idhai ellAm painting'la pOttuRAdhInga...").

[And, having said all that about the film's lack of bite towards the end, the moment when Nasser starts saying "thennAdudaiya..." pauses for a moment and continues after Nalla's approval does bite well!]

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Nov 23 9:27:35 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

the kid dying as consequence of Anbarasu's intoxicated blood, a popular view among Kamal fans.

Previous night on the train. Laughing

ngoiyaala athu theriyaatha engalukku, ennamo kamal fans ellaame appadi thaan nenaikkiraangannu sonneengale?!?

btw, how funny to imagine that the kid died becos of the bear he drank?!? the nurses clearly took a note of that and took his blood ONLY after assuring that 8 ours or so has been passed

From: kid-glove on Mon Nov 23 9:31:11 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

the kid dying as consequence of Anbarasu's intoxicated blood, a popular view among Kamal fans.

Previous night on the train. Laughing

Yenga, naanum Kamal fan-nga. Ennaku therinju adhu remba popular-a pesapatta vishayam.

From: Plum on Mon Nov 23 9:33:25 2009.

kid_glove - HUB-la ellA fan club-kum strict criteria. Munirathnam club-la seralAMnA, Maddy sila pala strong condition pOdaraaru. Kamal fan clubla sollavE vENaam - kitta thitta blood donate paNNa solvaingannu nenaikkarEn Wink

idhellAm paravA illai, vijayakanth-ku kUda, application pOda solraaru honestu Smile

Aanest, I think I automaticallly qualify for gowrava membership of HUB Vijayakanth fan club, whether I like it or not Smile

Application main thread'la tharappadugiradhu Mr. Green

From: kid-glove on Mon Nov 23 9:39:42 2009.

idhellAm paravA illai, vijayakanth-ku kUda, application pOda solraaru honestu Smile

Aanest, I think I automaticallly qualify for gowrava membership of HUB Vijayakanth fan club, whether I like it or not Smile

Application main thread'la tharappadugiradhu Mr. Green

I know where I belaang ->

Not Worthy

From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 9:42:36 2009.

By the way, I like Nasser in some of the scenes, though his character is undeniably a caricature. He's really funny in the party scene and the scene in his office with Bala/Nalla ("hehe.. kAmedi...! idhai ellAm painting'la pOttuRAdhInga...").

[And, having said all that about the film's lack of bite towards the end, the moment when Nasser starts saying "thennAdudaiya..." pauses for a moment and continues after Nalla's approval does bite well!]

I agree to the Plum's fact that Nasser had little less to do. But he is not a stereotypic villain where the hero and the villain goes into either physical or verbal wars "quite frequently" . For me, Nasser was just a character role and not the actual villain. The actual villain is the ignorance of Ars (and us,maybe Kamal meant "us" in the form of "Ars" ) towards the society.

Coming back to Nasser, as equa said, he was hilarious during the party scene and everybody in the theatre joined Uma Riaz with a blast. I mean, who would have expected a villain (as per theory) to make an entry in that fasion. For me he was a silent killer in the movie, the hospital scene where he says "setthu pO" was just like taking-a-knife-and-stabbing-at-his-chest ! The other fact, as we generally say, " nobody would have made justice to this role other than Nasser" illaingala ?

From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 23 9:46:47 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

Kamal in his intro scene, unusually stands on top of the post (I was thinking, ivar ippadi masala maadhiri panna maatarae). But in the later scenes, his posision was justified when SN Lakshmi says " naan unna current kambathula ninnu vaedikai thaanae paaka sonnaen" - indha aalu eppadi yaa ippadi ellam yosikiraaru Not Worthy

1. Masala panna maattaara? Ethanayo pannirukkare. Thevar Magan title dance-a enna nu solluveenga? Masala nu sollalaam, illa 'commercial' nu sollalaam aana padathoda ottala nu solla mudiyuma? Adhe madhiri thaan idhuvum IMO. Naadhaarithanam pannaalum naasukka panra madhiri idhu

2. Before SNL says that Kothalan himself says in his version "..agaasathulerndhu kudhikkaradhilla, naama uruvaakkaradhu dhaan". However, indha rendu dialogue by themselves might be viwed just as a 'convenience tool' to 'justify' that scene, ippadi kooda sollalaam illaya? That scene could well happen even without these dialogues IMO. Of course, seriyana intro theeni for fanboys is just the other maanga in the same stone

Kodai fight OTOH, appadi rasikka mudiyalla...

From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 23 9:49:24 2009.

Plum wrote:

Kamal fan clubla sollavE vENaam - kitta thitta blood donate paNNa solvaingannu nenaikkarEn

University Aalthotta Boopathy style

"Munirathnam" Maddy, note it!

From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 10:09:19 2009.

1. Thevar Maghanla his introduction was just simple where in he gets out of the train and no other masala added. Andha dance sequence ellam class nga mass illaingo

Plus adhu verum dandanaka illae, IR yethi yethi eraiki irupaaru ..
But in Viru moovie, just like any other masala movie, the camera starts from the base of the post and then goes to the top and a kezhavi shouting " nee vaaya keezha" (or someother dialogue) and kamal saying "enna vartaa" .. This is definitely new off late. But as said, this is the theeni for selves.

2. Ur point is noted on the Kothalan words. Its a voice over, and I might have missed it coz Kamal was shown on screen when Kothalan delivered the dialogues... .. And we can still justify that when Kamal starts his story, there aint no introduction for him

From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 10:44:43 2009.

Thanks Plum.

Compli, I think I was in that discussion in BR's post so firstly, let me apologise for my usual slip-up - I meant to mention you as the "walking stick" referrer, but ended up crediting equa(so, what's new?) though I guess equa might himself also have referred to it somewhere.

illalla, Compli dhAn referrer. nAn adhaip paththi(yum) oru opinion, oru suggestion.

Can you elaborate on Dasavatharam's sharpness in message more?

perusA oNNum illa. I like the way the film closes with both the theist and the atheist wanting to marry each other. The tension is still there and just muted for the sake of convenience. On a related node, I think the film's central premise (of an atheist scientist saving an idol of a God; not the tsunami-NaCl deal which I think is too contrived for its own good) is actually fantastic. Just that making a mindnumbing chase film out of that killed it.

I mean, I have some theories on that, and have actually written here on that

Link please. nAngaLum padippOmla.

From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 10:59:58 2009.

Thevar Magan title dance-a enna nu solluveenga? Masala nu sollalaam, illa 'commercial' nu sollalaam aana padathoda ottala nu solla mudiyuma? Adhe madhiri thaan idhuvum IMO. Naadhaarithanam pannaalum naasukka panra madhiri idhu Razz

And there's a brilliant subtext to all this. We see a superstar (common noun, not proper noun!) who, to begin with, is somewhat embarrassed to dance to the music, but then concedes to the tradition and within no time starts enjoying it as well. Kamal, like Sakthi, is back to where he belongs.

From: joe on Mon Nov 23 11:03:47 2009.

Plum,
Just I want to insist one point .

கருத்து சொல்லும் படம் தான் சிறந்தபடம் என்பது எவ்வளவு சரியில்லையோ அதே போல கருத்து சொன்ன காரணத்தையே ஒரு படத்தின் குறையாக சொல்லுவதும் சரியில்லை.

எல்லா மசாலா படத்துலயும் தான் கருத்து சொல்லுறாங்க .அன்பே சிவம் படத்தை அதிகமாக விரும்புவர்களெல்லாம் கருத்தை எதிர்பார்க்கும் முதிர்ச்சியற்ற ரசிகர்கள் என்ற சித்தரிப்பை நான் வன்மையாக கண்டிக்கிறேன்.

எங்களுக்கும் கலையை கலையா பார்க்க தெரியும் ..ஆம்மா
From: MADDY on Mon Nov 23 11:05:15 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

"Munirathnam" Maddy, note it!

no decent, no culcher

From: complicateur on Mon Nov 23 11:34:09 2009.

There is in thEvar magan a pervasive commitment to the core idea of the writer. The ease with which Sakthi returns to his roots in the opening sequence dance, the kids that decide their families' feudal allegiance is more important than the day at school ("dei chinnayyA vanthuttAru..." as the car passes them on the road)... The first 2 scenes have already encapsulated what the film will eventually convey. The only thing is it takes a viewer a couple of watches at least to 'get it'. It is cinema as it should be.

BTW Plum, I have not heard the album or watched the film. As equa said somewhere else: "will take immediat aksan".

From: MADDY on Mon Nov 23 12:01:16 2009.

IMO, thats stretching it very far ......

From: tamizharasan on Mon Nov 23 13:19:26 2009.

IMO, thats stretching it very far ......

I agree. Even Kamal would not have thought about it IMO.

From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 13:41:06 2009.

MADDY,
Would you agree that Kamal in a sense "declares" himself as Sivaji's "cinematic heir" with this film? That Sivaji is referring to himself when he says "எல்லாம் பழைய முறுக்குத்தேன்டி..." in the first scene? If you agree with these things, we're on the same page. If not, let's just agree to disagree.

From: jaiganes on Mon Nov 23 13:41:24 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

Interesting that you mentioned about the flashback.

Flashback scenes:

Kamal sings as "nagareega komali"
Kiran doesnt like his father being ill-imitated. Gets a bad impression on Kamal.
Kamal then dragged by Madhan, goes to Nasser's house and Kiran then overcomes her bad impression and asks him to draw a sketch. Kamal sketches her and shows his interest on her ( I thought this particular scene was well shot and the re-recording was mild but beautiful with guitars and a bit of humming with the rain backdrop outside), In between, he gets an important info about "lock out" from Nasser which makes the following scene to come.
The love (as in the movie) develops between Kamal and Kiran with Kamal being dragged to Nasser's place, this time by Kiran.
Nasser now comes to know abt Kamal and Kiran (thanks to Santhanabharathy with his "naaan andha painting-a uthu uthu pathaen" and Nasser with his "daei" with an annoying tone showing his anger on both Kamal and Bharathy Smile

Then comes the accident and the all important "yaar yaar sivam" song.

The theatre sequence with Kamal and Kiran in the dark room was a polished version or a remake version of Kamal and Gouthami in devar maghan. I even thought, how a thinking man who fights for others, would fall for a girl and then in a matter of days would say "no". Oodal pin koodal ngara maadhiri, this was a plot for them to elope.

Extra fat enaku therinji Kiran kita mattum thaanga Smile

Padathula illae.

Anbe sivam's biggest crime was two deleted sequences
1. Uma Riyaz's love proposal/shattered dreams scene with Kamal - that was a touch of class by Uma - that scene was not to be seen in the theatrical version DVD la that scene added so much beauty against the wooden faced Kiran scenes. Andha oru 5 nimishathula kudiyaa muzhugi poidum?
2. That SPB gem of a song 'Mouname paarvayaai' excluded to accommodate a weaker 'Poo vaasam porappadum' song - a crime of epic proportion by the creative team.

Indha rendu crimesum unpardonable in my opinion.
Anbe sivam was more like dasavatharam in handling the message - absolute lack of subtlety. A cruel modhalaali crushing thozilaali, SA chandrasekhar would have taken this theme to the bank in exchange of lakhs of rupees in the 1980s. When Kamal handles the same we expect more - rather what we get is a masal vadai in the 'Anbu' catering's 5 star meal.

Communisathukkum manidhanoda anbukkum oru mudichu podradhu romba vishamathanamaanadhu. porul kotpaadukkum manidhabimaanathukkum endha mudichum enakku therinju illai. anbe sivathukku thodhaana ulkaruththai erkanave Parthiban eduthuttaar - housefullngara padam moolamaa.
That doesnt mean that Anbe sivam is not a great movie - just corela konjam propaganda adhigamaa irukku and there is a lot of formula in the love track that gets tiring to watch after the 2nd time. Virumanoda kaadhal romba iyalbaaga irukku in comparison.

Aanaal idhu edhuvume(viruman, Anbe sivam) ennai poruththa varayil sinima vidhigalukku utpatte nadakkiradhu. Naan Kadavul endra padamO, sinima, thiraikkadhai, nadippu endra ella ellaigalayum thaandiya thaLaththil iyangugiradhu - adharkku sinima rasigargalin puridhalum thevayum illaamal - manidhargal endra nilayil irundhu paarthale podhum endra idathil iyangugiradhu.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 23 14:01:19 2009.

1. Uma Riyaz's love proposal/shattered dreams scene with Kamal - that was a touch of class by Uma - that scene was not to be seen in the theatrical version DVD la that scene added so much beauty against the wooden faced Kiran scenes. Andha oru 5 nimishathula kudiyaa muzhugi poidum?

In fact, most of the DVDs la kooda andha scene vettu. I've seen this scene only in a friend's copy

2. That SPB gem of a song 'Mouname paarvayaai' excluded to accommodate a weaker 'Poo vaasam porappadum' song - a crime of epic proportion by the creative team.

Absolutely (though Poovaasam is a very good song in its own right IMO. Vidhyasagar's best album overall)! Recent interview la SPB/Kamal idha pathi pesinaanga, Kamal regretted this.. Pandithargal thollai nu sonnaaru. On any given day his will could have prevailed but i guess indha padathukku arambathulerndhe ulla irukkaravangale prachanai pannaanga pola irukku, let alone theater cut advisors. Andha interview la appadi thaan therinjichu.

From: equanimus on Mon Nov 23 14:13:42 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Absolutely (though Poovaasam is a very good song in its own right IMO. Vidhyasagar's best album overall)!

இதுக்குப் பதில் தான் அதுன்னு எப்படி சொல்றீங்க? Because they are both melodies? Or because they were both composed for the same situation? Just curious.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 23 14:38:06 2009.

Absolutely (though Poovaasam is a very good song in its own right IMO. Vidhyasagar's best album overall)!

இதுக்குப் பதில் தான் அதுன்னு எப்படி சொல்றீங்க? Because they are both melodies? Or because they were both composed for the same situation? Just curious.

My assumption is that they had one melody too many.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Mon Nov 23 14:42:56 2009.

Compli blog la refer panniyirukkum avarudaya innoru post contents-aye inga post panren:
http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2007/09/28/kamal-a2z-anbe-sivam/

Quote:

To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, a stupid man�s report of what a clever man intends to portray on screen may never be accurate. Nevertheless I shall attempt an interpretation. The movie has been alternately hailed and dismissed from different sections for various reasons. I will touch on the screenplay and the characterizations, two items that are sometimes knocked.

A frequent criticism leveled against the movie is the script, especially the flashback sequence. A simple exercise to determine if a scene is superfluous to a screenplay is to remove that scene or sequence and see if the movie still holds together. Anbe Sivam stands up to this test very well. Apart from 2 songs (an occupational hazard in the Indian Film Industry), the removal of any scene would rip through the entire fabric of the movie. Some sequences while clich�d from a birds eye view are less so when examined. The minor banalities in structure are acknowledged by the writer through Madhavan�s �Puratchi Kathaanayagan Thimiru pudicha Kadhaanayagi� (dashing hero, arrogant heroine) dialogue.The entire sequence in Bala�s house serves to emphasize the romance, Kandaswami Padaiyaachi�s opportunistic theism and finally the reason for Bala�s continued involvement with Nalla. The action sequence sets up the scene afterward in the police station (the actor playing the inspector is a riot). It forces Nalla to come to terms with the consequences of his dalliance with the daughter of the man whose policies he resents.

I would like to mention 2 specific scenes that contrast the range of anecdotes that were drawn upon to deliver exposition in the movie. First, the portentous scene about the Tsunami that plays out in the Bhubaneshwar Hotel; the description of the photography-enthusiast consumed by the seas is supposedly based on a tragedy that befell a close friend (source: Kamal the writer himself in an interview to Sun TV). The scenes at the mural unveiling in Kandaswami Padaiyachi�s office are based on, I presume, Diego Rivera�s mural for the Rockefeller Center (a point to note here is Nalla�s allegiance, much like Russell, lies more with Marx than with Lenin). Referencing an intensely personal experience as well as global pop culture in the same movie should be a stretch, but it is pulled off with consummate ease.

The obvious strengths in the Nalla role apart, what is really meant to step out of the movie and slap the average yuppie viewer�s face is the Anbarasu character. Madhavan delivers the wake up call well, combining socially accepted selfishness and naivete� with aplomb. Even small characters like the members of the Koothupattarai (street play troupe in Tamil Nadu), Mehrunnisa and Pounkunju in particular, are given a lot of depth. And for the piece-de-resistance we return to Nalla. For nearly 2 hours the man is infallible. He has fought the Indian government and won, waded through floods, chased a train, lost and donated blood and through his generally gregarious nature managed to traverse nearly the entire east coast of the country on a leg and a half. And then suddenly the self-assured �last-word-freak� has all his insecurities laid out in one line. �Manaivingurathu oru karpanai walking stick. Manam Nondaama Irukkanum Ille� (�The concept of wife is an imaginary walking stick. The mind shouldn�t go lame, right?�). Nalla�s imaginary walking stick clearly shows Kamal Haasan�s imagination needs none.

From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 14:54:12 2009.

Absolutely (though Poovaasam is a very good song in its own right IMO. Vidhyasagar's best album overall)!

Infact, SPB did ask Kamal during the Kamal 50 show in Kalaignar TV and Kamal replied "kooda irundhavanga indha song too much classicalaa irukum venaamnu sollitanaga"

From: Aalavanthan on Mon Nov 23 15:11:50 2009.

Uma Riaz's love for Kamal was obvious in the scenes prior to this one. In the theatre, jail sequences. But not sure about your viewpoint, for me it was a good decision to leave alone the scene to keep the momentum and the seriousness of the movie.

At the middle of this deleted scene, Uma reveals the proposal of Venkatesh and at the end she says "yaar tholliyavadhu saanji azhanumla" and then goes off to " Venkatesh kitta poraen"and Pounu says he is in love with Uma.. At the end, Uma's love actually becomes infatuation and would have spoiled the movie big time with such comedies. Maybe the writers would have wanted to include this "comedy" scene as there is some big things following up. But for me, it was not a crime !

2. That SPB gem of a song 'Mouname paarvayaai' excluded to accommodate a weaker 'Poo vaasam porappadum' song - a crime of epic proportion by the creative team.

Poo vaasam was the apt one. But it would have been better to include SPB's voice as well and not leave him alone and asked the reason to leave his song after 6 years of its release. SPB is still hurt I guess.