UlagaNaayagarin Superhit Hatrick UNNAIPPOL ORUVAN Part 2

just saw wednesday what i guessed as new was already in original and what i guessed they wud have used as it is, was new!

the reporter was not as bold as anuja ier, and she didnt smoke

arif khan role was not as impressive as the remake! he never interrogates the rdx seller at all.

making values too was not very good in original.

i cud understand that naserudheen sha was telling slightly different reason for his action, even without me not knowing hindi

most of kamalji's dialogs are as it is. but his facial expresions are original and not in original.

call from girlfriend is not there

anupam ker was not as impressive as mohanlal. lal was simply emoting more and apt, while kher was simply dictating the dialogs.

one sumaall joke: the moment anupam gets the 1st calls and enters the main conf room, in both the corners lots of ppl sitting and thatting potti, i mean kambootter and all turns around to see whats going on. when CM gives order to take over the powers, a police guy announces " ok, ellaarum velayappaarunga" and then all guys turn back to potti and stars thatifying.

the official clash btw commissioner & chief seceratary was not at all there in original

when the terrorists are killed and one left, CM was present in te conf room and he discuss sumthing with comissioner, but in remake no such thngi! i feel tats not right, CM wont be away for the 6 hours!!!

whaterver it is, nice improvisation by aandavar

Sakala,
#1. Disagree with Lal/Kher comparison. I felt that Maraar's tone started to become submissive to the stranger starting from the second call. In the original, Rathod though was yielding to the stranger's demands, his tone of conversation didn't appear to be necessarily submissive. And there lies the strength of that character which started to wane out in the remake.

#2. Again disagree. The idea of showing the bureaucratic/political ping pong between the CM's chief seceretary & commissioner was a very thoughtful and logical addtion - the dialaaks and the acting itself was a bit of a let down there, IMHO.

It could have been done a little better.

From: jaypeenattu on Mon Sep 21 0:46:14 2009.

why compare original and remake? why do we live in a world of comparison. Both are good in their own ways
From: equanimus on Mon Sep 21 1:41:37 2009.

jaypeenattu wrote:

why compare original and remake? why do we live in a world of comparison. Both are good in their own ways

Well, simply because they're usually good (or bad) in the same way.
From: complicateur on Mon Sep 21 1:54:25 2009.

Braved really poor seats and watched the late show at Padmam yesterday. The hall was packed.

The Tacky:
Let us get the bad things out of the way first:
- The travel bags. Within the context of the movie their design was completely over the top.
- The word "Czechoslovakian". It is hard enough to get it out right without a slight bit of embarrassment. Between Era.Murugan and Kamal they should've done away with it.
- I am not sure if it was the Padmam operator's issue, but the sound effects were a little off. Need to watch in Sathyam maybe to reevaluate.
- 'Abdullah terrorist'. Absolute caricature.

The Expected:
- It has been long enough since I saw A Wednesday that I was only reminded of the similarity in the scenes after they were done.
- Era.Murugan's 'defining moment' in the climax.
- Kamal's accent. Definitely tolerable.
- Mohanlal sort of giving it away in the first scene. But there was so much information thrown at my folks that come interval time they were still wondering how Lal got the positive role and Kamal did the negative role.
- Lal's accent and acknowledgement of the same. But it added an extra dose of hilarity to the "how do cops handle the media?" training session he conducted.
- The acting. Towards the end Mohanlal was reduced to a hysterical bumbling mass of questions because the writing was obviously focused on Kamal, but for most part the acting was good. Movie Cop made a great point about Lal seeming defeatist/tired. I think that is why it is unfair to compare this role with Kher's. He insists he is a glorified constable just doing his job. For someone with that mindset it is impossible to take the aggressive stance Rathod took in the original. Marar is a completely different animal.

The Unexpected(ly good):
- Ganesh Venkatraman. Managed to look menacing.
- The editing in the second half. Crisp and a couple of excellent transitions.
- The plant-payoff of the M.S.Baskar conversation with R.S.Shivaji.
- The attention to tech-savviness. Sort of glossed over in the original.
From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 21 2:11:05 2009.

complicateur,
Good points.But finally enna solreenga?
From: jaypeenattu on Mon Sep 21 2:22:02 2009.

my only point is now the movie is good , people are trying to pull down by making unnecessary comparisons. Beware of that and dont encourage such discussions
From: jaypeenattu on Mon Sep 21 2:26:04 2009.

such comparisons are orchestrated propoganda against the movie
From: equanimus on Mon Sep 21 2:52:19 2009.

jaypeenattu wrote:

my only point is now the movie is good , people are trying to pull down by making unnecessary comparisons. Beware of that and dont encourage such discussions

Point taken, jaypeenattu. I was speaking for myself there. For the most part, I couldn't shake off the thought of how the film compares to its original. The experience was thoroughly like watching a film for the second time (or rather the third time; if I'm not mistaken, I've watched the original twice).

And I thought this film fared reasonably well in comparison to the original (which I'm not a big fan of, in the first place). For once, there's a Tamil remake which isn't dumbed down with the presumption that it's required for the Tamil audience.
From: complicateur on Mon Sep 21 2:52:50 2009.

Cinefan wrote:

But finally enna solreenga?

Final-A solrathukku neraya irukku AnA innum tayam Agalai. I have a lot of questions on the films politics (what with the bush-mush puppets et al...). I think the film's politics may be different from the original.
From: Sarna on Mon Sep 21 2:55:16 2009.

equanimus wrote:

For once, there's a Tamil remake which isn't dumbed down with the presumption that it's required for the Tamil audience.

btw, did u like the original ?
From: equanimus on Mon Sep 21 3:18:49 2009.

Sarna wrote:

btw, did u like the original ?

Sarna,
Well, I didn't really dislike it, but wasn't very impressed either. It's a competent film but more than a bit predictable in its underpinnings. The remake tries to correct it in some ways, but in vain in my reading. It's a bit too indispensable to the film to be gotten rid of.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Sep 21 4:01:59 2009.

http://tamil.webdunia.com/entertainment/film/featuresorarticles/0909/19/1090919063_1.htm

உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவன் - கிராண்ட் ஓபனிங்
சனி, 19 செப்டம்பர் 2009( 15:52 IST )
17 ஆம் தேதி காலை வரை உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவன் வெளியாகும் என்று யாருக்கும் உறுதியில்லை. படத்தை வெளியிட தடையில்லை என்று நீதிபதி தீர்ப்பு கூறிய பிறகே அனைவருக்கும் நிம்மதி திரும்பியது.

தமிழ், தெலுங்கு இரு மொழிகளில் கமலின் புதிய படம் வெளியாகியிருக்கிறது. படத்தில் மோகன்லாலும் இருப்பதால் கேரளாவிலும் திருவிழா கொண்டாட்டம். அமெ‌ரிக்காவில் உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவன் அனேகமாக எல்லா மாநிலங்களிலும் வெளியாகியுள்ளது. ஆன் லைன் ‌ரிசர்வேசஷன் கமலின் மற்ற படங்களின் சாதனையை முறியடித்திருக்கிறது.

சென்னையில் மட்டும் 16 திரையரங்குகளில் படத்தை வெளியிட்டுள்ளார், சென்னை மாநகர விநியோக உ‌ரிமையை வாங்கியிருக்கும் அபிராமி ராமநாதன். முதல் நாளான நேற்று படம் திரையிடப்பட்ட அனைத்து திரையரங்குகளிலும் ஹவுஸ்ஃபுல் போர்டு தொங்கியது. பல திரையரங்குகளில் சனி, ஞாயிறு இரு தினங்களுக்கான முன்பதிவு முடிந்துவிட்டது.

தமிழ்நாடு முழுவதும் பட வெளியீட்டை கமல் ரசிகர்கள் உற்சாகத்துடன் கொண்டாடினர். வழக்கமான பாலபிஷேகம், பட்டாசு வெடிப்பது என்று திரையரங்குகள் களை கட்டின.

கமல் இதுவரை நடித்த படங்களின் பத்தி‌ரிகை விளம்பரங்களை வைத்து ரசிகர்கள் உருவாக்கிய போஸ்டர் அனைவரையும் கவர்ந்தது. உதயம் திரையரங்கில் வைக்கப்பட்டிருந்த இந்த போஸ்ட‌ரில், மரோச‌ரித்ரா படத்தின் 500வது நாள் பத்தி‌ரிகை விளம்பரம் உள்பட பல பழைய படங்களின் 100 நாள், 25வது வாரம் விளம்பரங்களையும் பார்க்க முடிந்தது.

படத்தில் வரும் ஆங்கில பிரயோகம், பாடல், சண்டைக் காட்சிகள் இல்லாதது பி.சி. சென்டர்களை சென்றடையுமா என்ற கேள்வியும் உள்ளது.

வெளியான பத்து தினங்களுக்குள் படம் போட்ட பணத்தை வசூலித்துவிடும் என நம்பிக்கையாக கூறுகிறார்கள் விநியோகஸ்தர்கள். பணம் முதலீடு செய்தவர்களுக்கு அதுதானே வேண்டும்.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Sep 21 4:09:08 2009.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1171/3rdt.jpg

3rd Consecutive HIT for UlagaNayagan
From: NOV on Mon Sep 21 4:16:19 2009.

what a mind-blowing film! loved it to the core!
From: equanimus on Mon Sep 21 4:24:08 2009.

complicateur wrote:

(what with the bush-mush puppets et al...)

Compli,
Are you referring to the bomb preparation scene(s) that we see in the trailer? I actually missed the first 10 minutes or so (oddly enough, the same happened in case of 'A Wednesday too). Damn!
From: NOV on Mon Sep 21 4:30:50 2009.

Quote:

acting

yadhaarththam is the key thing here and everyone played thier parts to perfection. only one role could have been better - sit down pls. - mohanlal was a turn-off for me. Nassar would have been perfect.
Kamal didnt have to exert himself too much and played the role very subtly - easy to have overplayed there.
Ganesh is a revelation - after Abhiyum's feminine sardar - he can go places with the right director. The intensity was overwhelming.
Even the computer nerd was perfect
Bit parts were also done well, including the Vijay wannabe.
From: Murali Srinivas on Mon Sep 21 4:32:02 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

TOI had still not come up with a review whereas kuppans and subbans have already reviewed.

Sakala,

Times Chennai edition has already carried a review on the second day itelf (ie) Saturday and if my memory serves me right, they gave 3 - 1/2 stars.

Regards

From: NOV on Mon Sep 21 4:32:47 2009.

(what with the bush-mush puppets et al...)

complicateur wrote:

Compli,
Are you referring to the bomb preparation scene(s) that we see in the trailer? I actually missed the first 10 minutes or so (oddly enough, the same happened in case of 'A Wednesday too). Damn!

these puppets of bush and mush(araff) are part of the TV girls show.

From: complicateur on Mon Sep 21 4:34:05 2009.

No equa. These were well after the bomb-making scenes. I am referring to the TV show that Natasha is an anchor of. It actually becomes an edit point. The film uses it to transition to Arif's questioning of how his informant is treated and then to the-man-with-no-name buying veggies etc...
The show seemed to insinuate that 9-11 happened with the knowledge of the Pakistan government. I thought that was interesting because I've heard that argument posited repeatedly in "Desi" parties in the US, especially after the "uncles" have had a round or two and start fusing allegiances.
From: NOV on Mon Sep 21 4:34:49 2009.

Quote:

music

since its a rajkamal film and more importantly since there were no songs, why was IR not used?

From: breadpuli on Mon Sep 21 4:36:42 2009.

#1. Disagree with Lal/Kher comparison. I felt that Maraar's tone started to become submissive to the stranger starting from the second call. In the original, Rathod though was yielding to the stranger's demands, his tone of conversation didn't appear to be necessarily submissive. And there lies the strength of that character which started to wane out in the remake.

Kher was against Nasserudin; Lal is against Thalaivar - so he has to be submissive

just joking....

Watched 3rd time - Lido - 10:30 AM show - Housefull.
Great going.....

Many families (including mallu families)
My son liked the movie (is it because I bought so much of pop corns and snacks? !! )

From: dell_gt on Mon Sep 21 4:43:46 2009.

Quote:

what a mind-blowing film! loved it to the core!

great to hear that ...which theater, USJ summit?
From: dell_gt on Mon Sep 21 4:45:19 2009.

Quote:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1171/3rdt.jpg

3rd Consecutive HIT for UlagaNayagan

super

From: equanimus on Mon Sep 21 4:55:55 2009.

complicateur wrote:

No equa. These were well after the bomb-making scenes. I am referring to the TV show that Natasha is an anchor of. It actually becomes an edit point. The film uses it to transition to Arif's questioning of how his informant is treated and then to the-man-with-no-name buying veggies etc...
The show seemed to insinuate that 9-11 happened with the knowledge of the Pakistan government. I thought that was interesting because I've heard that argument posited repeatedly in "Desi" parties in the US, especially after the "uncles" have had a round or two and start fusing allegiances.

Oh then, I missed these scenes too! When I went in, Kamal just finishes talking to his wife over the phone and calls Mr. Maraar. My understanding was I missed the police complaint scene (which I missed when I watched 'A Wednesday too) and the introduction of Sethu, but now I realise I have missed the introduction of the journo (the lamp post shock report scene), Arif (the interrogation scene you're referring to) and also the scene with the superstar (is it there in this film?). That is a lot.

From: NOV on Mon Sep 21 5:00:02 2009.

dell_gt wrote:

Quote:

what a mind-blowing film! loved it to the core!
great to hear that ...which theater, USJ summit?
illa, sunway pyramid

am definitely taking children for the film - maybe on wednesday
who says UPO is not for kids? all kids MUST watch the film
I am doing my bit and recommending this film to all and sundry.

From: dell_gt on Mon Sep 21 5:13:33 2009.

Quote:

dell_gt wrote:
Quote:
what a mind-blowing film! loved it to the core!
great to hear that ...which theater, USJ summit?
illa, sunway pyramid

am definitely taking children for the film - maybe on wednesday
who says UPO is not for kids? all kids MUST watch the film
I am doing my bit and recommending this film to all and sundry.

good to hear that

so far WOM here is very encouraging, with raya break and school holiday, UPO rocking

From: Thirumaran on Mon Sep 21 5:23:51 2009.

I might go again Today to Aradhana along with team mates

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Sep 21 6:01:04 2009.

equa, u missed a handful

1) electric baba scene is not there. instead, a very meaningful scene is repleced

2)in original, Arif do not interrogates at all, the 1st rdx guy to be caught will be beaten only by comissioner, bit in tamil it different

3) the scene with superstar too ismodified here, u see it urself but u will surely enjoy!!!

the 'defining scene' as said by Era.Murugan is ultimate one!

thatswhy i say, friday(18th sept) beats wednesday with few superb nuance additions

From: equanimus on Mon Sep 21 6:15:47 2009.

Thanks SKV! I think have missed more than 15 minutes.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

2)in original, Arif do not interrogates at all, the 1st rdx guy to be caught will be beaten only by comissioner, bit in tamil it different

No, fingers slip Ayiduchchu. I was actually referring to Arif's first scene with an informer, which Compli mentioned in the previous post.
From: equanimus on Mon Sep 21 6:31:08 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

2)in original, Arif do not interrogates at all, the 1st rdx guy to be caught will be beaten only by comissioner, bit in tamil it different

[And yeah, I was not so late as to miss this scene. ] You're right, in the original the RDX supplier blurts out everything right after Arif enters the place. That is keeping in sync with how Arif is portrayed as a sort of terror-in-police-uniform in the film. With Kamal around, the change in the remake (i.e. not to gloss over the manner in which the police interrogate and extract info from the people they arrest) is not surprising.
From: Anban on Mon Sep 21 9:07:44 2009.

Simple and neat .. well made ..
From: ramdas2005 on Mon Sep 21 9:25:50 2009.

Kamal Hassan’s Unnaipol Oruvan, has taken a flying start in Chennai city. The first three days(Sep 18, 19 & 20) it has taken 100 percent collections in 11 Chennai screens.

Unnaipol Oruvan has collected a net of Rs 56,09,221 from 11 screens and 88940 audiences have seen it in the first three days, which is phenomenal.

Please note the film opened in only 11 screens compared to 17 or 18 screens for some other recent films.

Says Abirami Ramanathan, the city distributor of the film: “It has taken a fantastic opening and the film is definitely as of now a hit. The coming holiday season will determine how big it turns out to be. The word of mouth is very good and Kamal and Mohanlal together is bringing in the audiences.”
From: hattori_hanzo on Mon Sep 21 9:29:51 2009.

surprisingly, some good news from a trash site..

100 Percent opening for UO in CC!

By Moviebuzz | Monday, 21 September , 2009, 17:48

Kamal Hassan’s Unnaipol Oruvan, has taken a flying start in Chennai city. The first three days(Sep 18, 19 & 20) it has taken 100 percent collections in 11 Chennai screens.

Unnaipol Oruvan has collected a net of Rs 56,09,221 from 11 screens and 88940 audiences have seen it in the first three days, which is phenomenal.

Please note the film opened in only 11 screens compared to 17 or 18 screens for some other recent films.

Says Abirami Ramanathan, the city distributor of the film: “It has taken a fantastic opening and the film is definitely as of now a hit. The coming holiday season will determine how big it turns out to be. The word of mouth is very good and Kamal and Mohanlal together is bringing in the audiences.”

From: dell_gt on Mon Sep 21 9:44:41 2009.

Quote:

surprisingly, some good news from a trash site..

100 Percent opening for UO in CC!

By Moviebuzz | Monday, 21 September , 2009, 17:48

Kamal Hassan’s Unnaipol Oruvan, has taken a flying start in Chennai city. The first three days(Sep 18, 19 & 20) it has taken 100 percent collections in 11 Chennai screens.

Unnaipol Oruvan has collected a net of Rs 56,09,221 from 11 screens and 88940 audiences have seen it in the first three days, which is phenomenal.

Please note the film opened in only 11 screens compared to 17 or 18 screens for some other recent films.

Says Abirami Ramanathan, the city distributor of the film: “It has taken a fantastic opening and the film is definitely as of now a hit. The coming holiday season will determine how big it turns out to be. The word of mouth is very good and Kamal and Mohanlal together is bringing in the audiences.”

good start

From: joe on Mon Sep 21 9:58:22 2009.

After second time ,i feel the movie is too good.

From: dell_gt on Mon Sep 21 10:03:00 2009.

Quote:

http://www.behindwoods.com/features/visitors-1/unnaipol-oruvan-21-09-09.html

Ulagamahanayagan Kamal!
Hi Behindwoods,

I would like to share my views and thoughts after watching one of the finest movies in recent era....

What do you expect from a movie to become a blockbuster?

Hero speaking lot of punch dialogue? Heroine with lots of glamour? Separate comedy track? Minimum one kuthu song like Nakka Mukka or appadi podu?

Or

A movie that speaks to demolish terrorism through terrorism?

In which way? Like the way it has been shown in Vijaykanth movie? A big NO. But Unnaipol oruvan is hard to believe even in this genre we can get a Tamil movie in Hollywood standards. But then how.?

'A Wednesday', one of the classics in Indian cinema has been remade in Tamil but with the same quality it had in Hindi.

As the movie says "ONE COMMON MAN HAD THE GUTS TO FIGHT IT OUT." Yes it is really true... One common man in Tamil had the guts to remake a movie like A Wednesday...

Did he succeed in that? If that man is the Ulaganayagan, then why not? This movie is surely to be considered as transformation of Kamal from Ulaganayagan to Ulagamagaanayagan.....

Finally... If you want to appreciate quality cinema or if you want to see more quality cinema in future from this man, then Unnaipol oruvan is the top choice.

What makes the movie special? What else you need this movie to be a special when you have one of the finest masters of the art coming together for the first time.

Watch the movie and you will witness what meaningful cinema is all about....

From: Nerd on Mon Sep 21 10:12:41 2009.

Am I the only one who felt Arif was "Look at me I'm cool" but totally uncool?
From: joe on Mon Sep 21 10:25:24 2009.

சினிமா மொழி ,தொழில் நுப்டம் ,நேர்த்தி ,கலை வடிவம் என்ற முறையில் இந்த படம் மிகச்சிறப்பு .அதே நேரம் படத்தில் சில வசனங்கள் ,கருத்துருவாக்கம் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ள முடியாததும் ,ஏமாற்றமாகவும் உள்ளது.
From: breadpuli on Mon Sep 21 10:30:49 2009.

This movie is an apt reply for those who always complain Kamal modifies the script to showcase him and 'cuts down' others' scenes.
Being his home production, he could have easily avoided a few scenes where Lal excels in acting !
Only Kamal can do this... encouraging not only new comers, but the legends as well....

From: Anban on Mon Sep 21 10:32:36 2009.

சினிமா மொழி ,தொழில் நுப்டம் ,நேர்த்தி ,கலை வடிவம் என்ற முறையில் இந்த படம் மிகச்சிறப்பு Very Happy

.அதே நேரம் படத்தில் சில வசனங்கள் ,கருத்துருவாக்கம் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ள முடியாததும் ,ஏமாற்றமாகவும் உள்ளது. Embarassed

entha maathiriyaana karthukkal joe.. sirithu vilakkavum

From: Roshan on Mon Sep 21 10:33:49 2009.

Where is Bala ?

From: joe on Mon Sep 21 10:41:39 2009.

entha maathiriyaana karthukkal joe.. sirithu vilakkavum

பலரும் இன்னும் படம் பார்க்கவில்லை ..இன்னும் ஓரிரு வாரங்கள் கழித்து இவை குறித்து விவாதிக்கலாம் என நினைக்கிறேன்.

From: joe on Mon Sep 21 10:44:07 2009.

This movie is an apt reply for those who always complain Kamal modifies the script to showcase him and 'cuts down' others' scenes.
Being his home production, he could have easily avoided a few scenes where Lal excels in acting !
Only Kamal can do this... encouraging not only new comers, but the legends as well....

This is a good point .. Lal has more space than kamal.

From: Amarshiva on Mon Sep 21 11:08:58 2009.

This is a good point .. Lal has more space than kamal.

So, he shuts everyone mouth then. PPL always complain this right from KP,KK,HR etc..

Real Rambo without Fireworks!!!!! He made it..

From: marma_yogi on Mon Sep 21 11:30:00 2009.

Seems Era. Murugan checks out review blogs to see the response.

Checkout his comments and others at

http://sudhishkamath.com/2009/09/17/unnaipol-oruvan-need-of-the-hour/#comments

From: irir123 on Mon Sep 21 12:44:11 2009.

I havent seen the film yet, but yes, I agree that Kamal is most ppl's favorite target for a scapegoat when it comes to heaping criticism - after watching Hey Ram, a friend told me "kamal makes sure he is in every frame of the film" - but of course, its a kamal film, what else did they expect ?? and that too, after extracting amazing performances from everyone including vaiyyapuri in that film!

come what may, Kamal's stature will not diminish even a millimeter - he will always be the extraordinary professional dedicated to his chosen profession, who has sweated out to bring in the kind of respect and dignity to his profession, that others of the newer generation of actors are actually making every other effort to take away

his best is yet to come, considering UO is a quickie

From: Movie Cop on Mon Sep 21 13:01:43 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Am I the only one who felt Arif was "Look at me I'm cool" but totally uncool?

Before watching UPO, I thought that he might turn out to be the weakest link. Pretty much to my shock/surprise, he turned out to be one of the highlights of the movie. Actually, he was cool without any pretensions.
AN-la, sardarji fancy dress pottu avara emaathi thaainga pola irrukku!
From: app_engine on Mon Sep 21 13:03:41 2009.

NOV wrote:

Quote:

music

since its a rajkamal film and more importantly since there were no songs, why was IR not used?

For a similar remake (kurudhippunal - Hindi original, decent role for another hero, no songs etc.), Rajkamal used Makesh as the MD So IR is not a necessary choice.

(In addition, this is the debut of Kamal's daughter.)
From: Srimannarayanan on Mon Sep 21 13:06:16 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Am I the only one who felt Arif was "Look at me I'm cool" but totally uncool?

Please post your review.
From: Plum on Mon Sep 21 13:07:04 2009.

Regarding hey ram, all the scenes of past play out as saket ram's memories - isn't it inevitable then that he'll be in every scene?
Actually, shouldn't we be questioning those movies which play out a flashback but include scenes where the recaller is not part of?
From: P_R on Mon Sep 21 13:12:09 2009.

Plum wrote:

Actually, shouldn't we be questioning those movies which play out a flashback but include scenes where the recaller is not part of?

Exactly
Blame it on lack of nuanced critics who can puncture a flashback narrative with precise questions like:

நீ தான் உங்காத்தா வயித்துக்குள்ள இருந்தியே உனக்கு எப்படி சத்தம் கேட்டுது ?
From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 21 13:48:23 2009.

Back from the 7pm screening at PVR.For company-Bala,sakala,kalyasi and a couple of his friends.

The film worked for me despite the fact that I have seen the original twice over,was immensly impressed and was very apprehensive about the remake esp after hearing about the changes to make it more balanced.

KH has ensured that I am proved wrong.

For one,the way lal has played out his role was a delight to watch.There is no doubt that KH has had a big role in the script-some of the lines and scenes had his touch all over.

Clearly,he has given space for Lal to show off his talents,the way he acts just with his eyes,small little expressions,the way lines are delivered-class written all over.

KH played second fiddle in the acting department-of course he did things which only he can do but I felt he was more involved
with the way the film was written in tamil and executed than his performence.

This is for Prabhu Ram,all those changes to make it more balanced did not stick out at all.thank god or should i say KH for that.

The english did not make me cringe nor did i feel "thalaiva,tamil-kku maathu".

Sruthi did a job which was enough for the film,nothing pathbreaking but also didnot give a feeling that KH is promoting a not so talented daughter.Feltshe has a flair for music,some more projects will show her true worth.

There were a few weaknesses compared to the original like the two police guys-the hindi version had better actors,the relationship between one of the police guys and his family was played out better.

At the same time the TV reporter(Anuja Iyer)role was better written,enacted and dubbed.the hindi version had a screeching female whose acting looked very fake.

Have mentioned earlier that KH played second fiddle in acting and it holds good when compared to Nasser too.he epitomized the common man to a 'T' while KH has changed the characterization,obviously to negate chances of a comparison.
he has invested more emotions to the role and it def works.But somehow could not help feeling that the way Nasser played was better.

Overall,plusses and minuses taken into consideration,def a film worth watching,does not take away the spirit of the original,a remake which Neeraj pandey,UTV and the cast/crew of 'A wednesday' can be proud of.

Now eagerly awaiting the next script written/directed by KH,gut feeling is that it will be a delight to watch.

Seekiram vaappa Kamal-u.
From: ajaybaskar on Mon Sep 21 14:09:57 2009.

Just back from UPO. With due respect to KH, Mohanlal has delivered one of the most memorable performances in his career. His confrontation with Lakshmi was a delight to watch. KH should be thanked for showcasing Lal's talent to the tamil audience.

KH pathi sollavae thevayilla. Climaxla kalakkiputtaaru!! (Theatre clapsla dialogue sariya kekkalai). The subtle expressions that these two veterans exhibit is the USP of the movie.

UPO is a sure winner.

From: marma_yogi on Mon Sep 21 14:23:29 2009.

Regarding hey ram, all the scenes of past play out as saket ram's memories - isn't it inevitable then that he'll be in every scene?
Actually, shouldn't we be questioning those movies which play out a flashback but include scenes where the recaller is not part of?

And one in which flashback within flashback is shown? Even Matrix would have been easier to understand than this kind for recursive flashback movies

From: Nerd on Mon Sep 21 15:39:18 2009.

MC, I exactly felt the opposite. And looks like the majority has liked GV's performance with the possible exception of cinefan. Jimmy Shergill was far superior IMO.

Sriman, thanks for asking. naan edhuvum post panna virumbala and IMO the film carries all the positives of "A Wednesday" but most of the "modifications" did not work for me. VirivA appAlikA post pannrEn. Clearly I am a minority here (and also among friends/relatives)
From: P_R on Mon Sep 21 15:46:24 2009.

Quote:

all those changes to make it more balanced did not stick out at all.thank god or should i say KH for that.

Great !
Director manobala to Vivek: This is what I want

Quote:

At the same time the TV reporter(Anuja Iyer)role was better written,enacted and dubbed.the hindi version had a screeching female whose acting looked very fake.

I actually found Deepal Shah interesting. The 'dumbed down' way of speaking when she is on-screen was Curious to see how they do that in Tamil.
From: P_R on Mon Sep 21 15:51:35 2009.

Nerd wrote:

Jimmy Shergill was far superior IMO.
I surprised myself when liking Shergill in this film. There was a film he did long time back with Irfan Khan about college politics in UP. He was not bad in that. Adhukkku appuram indha padam dhaan.
From: Plum on Mon Sep 21 21:18:57 2009.

P-r, was it haasil? Yes, shaw was maanipulated well by the director to capture the hysterical, clueless but ambitious and smart twenty something new age television journalist well enough.
Yet to see upo but I also thought shergill was outstanding - not sure if that can be outclassed as many have mentioned here.
From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 21 21:19:14 2009.

PR,
Deepal Shah-va adhu.Her voice put me off.Anuja Iyer is shown as more intelligent but with the arrogance of the Indian TV reporter.

A couple of additions to what I have already posted,unlike the original, hints are given here to show that most likely KH is a muslim.it can be intrepeted in two ways:

1)All muslims are not terrorists.

2)This film was being exposed to an audience which has not seen the Hindi version.There would have been doubts as to how KH will play a negative role.By hinting at his religion,he was reinforcing the fact that he was a muslim,by default a terrorist and so has set out to do what he was shown as doing.

Aanalum i did not understand the "Inshah allah-va"line by his wife on phone.

Also,the break down by him in the climax,what is the connection between that and his wanting to ensure instant justice against terrorists,enakku purila.

As nerd has pointed out,jimmy Shergill was superior.The brooding,rough guy was a winner.GV is just about Ok.

The hindi film with Irrfan khan was called 'Haasil'.A very watchable film on campus politics in Uttar pradesh,think hardly anybody has watched it.
From: RC on Mon Sep 21 22:20:19 2009.

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/50130.html

This is Sethu, I guess.
From: jaypeenattu on Tue Sep 22 0:17:16 2009.

this is not sethu. this is zackaria who tracks the phone call and also gives a presentation about the terorist
From: jaypeenattu on Tue Sep 22 0:18:18 2009.

going tonight at abirami
From: NOV on Tue Sep 22 0:23:11 2009.

two flaws I can think of...

1. why kamal takes so much trouble to place bags at various points when his last word on them reveals purposelessness? Even if his wish was not carried out, what can he do?

2. kamal revealing his thoughts to the IGP also serves no purpose. isnt terrorism announcing to the world of your purpose? he would have been better off if he had spoken to the the TV reporter and got it broadcasted.
From: NOV on Tue Sep 22 0:27:17 2009.

btw, what is the meaning of "Faqr Hai" - I would have appreciated subtitles when the characters spoke Hindi

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 0:35:38 2009.

Plum, ithu ellaa south movies layum flashbacksla irukkum pothukuththam. inthalavukku paarthaa, appuram padame idukka mudiyaathu!!! incl 'A wednesday' !

From: Mahen on Tue Sep 22 0:50:59 2009.

NOV wrote:

btw, what is the meaning of "Faqr Hai" - I would have appreciated subtitles when the characters spoke Hindi

Me too wana know the meaning
From: complicateur on Tue Sep 22 0:56:27 2009.

Nerd wrote:

And looks like the majority has liked GV's performance with the possible exception of cinefan. Jimmy Shergill was far superior IMO.

Nerd,
I had fairly low expectations from that character. GV was higher than the bar I had set. Shergill was definitely better.( Actually that in and of itself is a completely different level of bettering the bar I had set for him )
From: ajaybaskar on Tue Sep 22 0:56:54 2009.

Faqr means poverty.

However, its spiritual meaning is the one who has pure desire for sacrifice.
From: AravindMano on Tue Sep 22 0:59:24 2009.

Except Lal-Lakshmi-Kamal, the second level actors were very weak in Tamil excluding Anuja Iyer. She was perfect. GV & the other policeman were total wash-out, i thought so. Jimmy was far better.
From: MADDY on Tue Sep 22 1:01:23 2009.

faqr = accepting with pride

i have too many good memories of watching "A Wednesday" but overwhelming reviews and response for UPO tempt me to risk those good memories
From: Kalyasi on Tue Sep 22 1:03:03 2009.

NOV wrote:

btw, what is the meaning of "Faqr Hai"

I am proud!!
From: NOV on Tue Sep 22 1:07:19 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

Faqr means poverty

MADDY wrote:

faqr = accepting with pride
Kalyasi wrote:

NOV wrote:

btw, what is the meaning of "Faqr Hai"
I am proud!!

ok, why do all the terrorists end thier speech with those words?

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 1:09:32 2009.

Plum, ithu ellaa south movies layum flashbacksla irukkum pothukuththam. inthalavukku paarthaa, appuram padame idukka mudiyaathu!!! incl 'A wednesday' !

sari, ok but atleast oruthan adhai meeri Hey Ram edukkarachE, En ella framelayum irukkArnu kEkkAma irukkalAmla?

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 1:13:20 2009.

two flaws I can think of...

1. why kamal takes so much trouble to place bags at various points when his last word on them reveals purposelessness? Even if his wish was not carried out, what can he do?

2. kamal revealing his thoughts to the IGP also serves no purpose. isnt terrorism announcing to the world of your purpose? he would have been better off if he had spoken to the the TV reporter and got it broadcasted.

NOV,

1. I think he can turn off bombs from where he is. or Turn On. As his (very limited) motives got accomplished, he said so. After which he can(????) go and take the bombs or just leave it. OR they are very mild bombs so that he diffused online and left the bags.

2. Thats how the story is designed. He may even had plans of broadcasting but got spoiled when he found one guy was left alive. Also he only wanted to convey his message but never wanted to reveal his identity.

Above all, there are much bigger logical loopholes both in original. but all the film maker wanted to convey is his anger to the soceity and thus a film by Neeraj Paandey and Kamal Haasan.

THe mother of all logical flaws is this - lal letting the common man just go, and no more further investigations, inspite of him having access to all hi-fi technologies like sim-router, rdx ect..

( indirectly becos, lal too was thinking in the lines of the common man, eventho he is a comissioner he didnt have rights to just go and kill those terrorists, and so, even if the common man still, in future to, had access to rdx and again did the same backmail to release some other set of terrorists, it was good only and so better leave of that 'common man' and DONT ARREST HIM )

apart from logical flaws, i dont think there are any porulkuttrams as joe like to decipher...i hope iam right

From: Kalyasi on Tue Sep 22 1:15:32 2009.

Faqr means poverty

faqr = accepting with pride

btw, what is the meaning of "Faqr Hai"

I am proud!!

ok, why do all the terrorists end thier speech with those words?

Evan oruthan vedigundu vechu makkal a konnathukku peruma padaraano avan thaan theeviravathi!!!

From: NOV on Tue Sep 22 1:24:01 2009.

1. I think he can turn off bombs from where he is. or Turn On. As his (very limited) motives got accomplished, he said so. After which he can(????) go and take the bombs or just leave it. OR they are very mild bombs so that he diffused online and left the bags.

thanks sakala...
spoiler on ... I thot he distinctly said that the boxes are empty? ... spoiler off.
OK, watching again tomorrow..

Quote:

THe mother of all logical flaws is this - lal letting the common man just go, and no more further investigations, inspite of him having access to all hi-fi technologies like sim-router, rdx ect..

I dont think so sakala. He is no longer a police by then...
But what I would like to know was how did he know the place?

Quote:

apart from logical flaws, i dont think there are any porulkuttrams as joe like to decipher...i hope iam right

I have no idea either.

btw, I suspected abt Kamal's role half way into the film

- blame the 100s of films watched earlier.
but my second guess didnt turn out correctly.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 1:40:48 2009.

NOV, he found for himself that the hacker had FOUND THE LOCATION and was lying to him...and he himself sees that in the hacer's laptop
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 1:42:33 2009.

Its festival time guys

Ulagengilum ithey theerppu: Super Hit!!
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Ulagengilum 3raavathu thodar vettri, Ulaganaayaganukku!!
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Kamal's Hatrick SuperHit!!
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From: ajaybaskar on Tue Sep 22 1:49:57 2009.

Sakala,

Kamal says to Mohanlal that there are no bombs in the bag. If there were no bombs, then y shud he bother to keep the bags in the train and other places. Without even doing that, he could have threatened.

I think that it is the only hiccup in the otherwise perfect movie.

From: Thirumaran on Tue Sep 22 1:51:35 2009.

that is pointless..

Had seen the movie for the third time yest @ Prathana Drive in

From: NOV on Tue Sep 22 1:54:43 2009.

[tscii]This is the review of one of the friends I went with....

Poobalan wrote:

NOTE: SPOILERS AHEAD.

This movie is a remake of an Hindi movie – A Wednesday, starring Nasseruddin Shah and Anupham Kher, which was released in 2008. I did not watch the Hindi version, but it seemed that the Tamil version followed it closely, even the movie length was similar, with no songs and comedy tracks. What sets apart this movie is that it had the “Ulaga Nayagan” Kamalhaasan!

The movie opened on a public holiday weekend in Malaysia, and also without competition from other Tamil movies, so it should get a good run. The downside (for some) is that there’s no skimpily dressed heroines, Vadiveloo jokes, or dreamy songs. And yeah, its a short movie, about 2 hours only. But what a two hour it was!

One won’t realize time passing by, as you will be living the moment – tensed just like the police, anticipating like the journalist, plotting like the protagonist.

OK, let’s start with the storyline – its all about terrorism and the ‘Common Man” (people like you and me). How a man takes the laws in to his own hands and punishes the terrorists. Terrorist for the terrorists. Oh, and its a bit like short version of the series 24, covering only about 6 hours of time (from noon till 6pm or so) on the same day.

The movie opens with a flashback. A guy (Mohanlal) standing on a beach side with his dog, reminiscences how he was a policeman till yesterday and today he is a common man, all because of a guy. The flashback begins – Kamal (nameless throughout the movie) using some tools to create a bomb. Then, we follow him on few journeys – on a bus, in a shopping centre, on a train, and a police station. Its not a normal journey, as he carries bags containing bombs. The journey is suspenseful as we wonder where he will leave the bags – numbering 5 in total. In the train scene, we see one of the bags being left in the same compartment as a police inspector’s (Sethuraman) wife and child. The final bag is left at the Anna Salai police station, where Kamal makes a police report claiming he lost his wallet and leaves bag number six in the toilet. It was a typical Kamalhaasan comedy scene, playing with words and timing.

He then leaves the police station, buys some groceries in the market, and sees reporter Natasha Rajkumar (a cigarette smoking Anuja Iyer) on TV. Kamal is potrayed as just like any other person on the street – someone’s husband, father, friend. Not a terrorist.

He goes back to his hideout, a uncompleted highrise, the rooftop his base, giving a superb view of Chennai. He proceeds to make a call using some sophisticated tools (to avoid tracking-back by authorities) to the police, specifically to IG Raghavan Maraar (Mohanlal). The dialogue between them was good, but I felt Mohanlal could have done better at expressing his doubts and anger. Kamal informs IG Maraar about his bombs, that will explode at 6pm, and asks the police to assign a negotiator to arrange a deal with him (Kamal).There’s a scene here, just before Kamal’s call. Actor Sriman comes to meet the IG, asking for security. His mannerism mimicked actor Vijay – not sure why these scenes was inserted.

Kamal then calls up the reporter Natasha, and gets her attention with promise of a scoop. She scuttles off to the Anna Salai police station as per his info.

Meanwhile, we see how the IG is in a dilemma. He activates the “War Room” and contacts the Chief Minister (current CM Karunanithi’s voice used!). the IG talks to Chief Secretary of Tamil Nadu (played by Lakshmi) since CM was recovering from a trip or something. He asks her to come to the police HQ ASAP. Chief Secretary rushes to the police HQ.

At the war room, Kamal calls IG Maraar, who tries to buy time by saying the negotiator is own the way. Meanwhile, we see how politicians tries to shift their legs and avoid taking responsibility, with CM passing the buck to Chief Secretary to negotiate with the terrorist. Chief Secretary herself passes the authority to IG Maraar. And IG Maraar takes up the challenge, and extracts a promise from the Chief Secretary that she won’t interfere in his decisions. If anything fails, he will take the blame. Interesting to see how politicians are worried about elections, and the top government officials worried about pleasing their political masters.

The next call from Kamal arrives, and IG Maraar reveals that he would negotiate on behalf of the Tami Nadu state government. He asks for proof that Kamal is not lying and there are really bombs. Kamal reveals that one extra bag (free of charge, he says!) as been planted at the police station. The police manage to find the bomb in time, and Kamal tells them how to disable it. The stage is set – the police realize they are facing the real deal here. The reporter too realizes she didn’t get a prank call, but a real terrorist contact.

The police are still trying to trace calls made by Kamal, but unsuccessful at every turn. Kamal registered multiple SIM card using names of people who died in past terrorist attacks. The police are at a loss since calls seems to be coming from many places – local and overseas, indicating the use of professional tools to mask the phone call routes.

Meanwhile, the policeman who took Kamal’s police report regarding his lost wallet is called to help in making a artist sketch. The police have a lead now since there’s a face for the terrorist. They get another lead in the form of the RDX bomb supplier who sold the material to Kamal. The IG sends Inspector Ariff Khan (hunky, suave Ganesh Venkatram – who looks a bit like my friend Nantha!) to catch the delivery guy. Unfortunately the guy got into an accident while trying to escape from Ariff. Note that this is the only fighting scene in the movie. The guy manages to tell Inspector Ariff the location of the delivery, and Ariff rushes to the spot. Unfortunately, I think he investigates the wrong building as we can see Kamal spying on Ariff standing on top an uncompleted building. Later the delivery guy also confirms that the person in the artist sketch is the one he delivered the bomb to.

Kamal makes his request to the IG – release four known criminals involved in terrorism. 3 of these criminals are in Tamil Nadu jail while another is in Bangalore jail. So, now the police thinks that Kamal is a terrorist who is trying to free his comrades. Left with no choice, IG Maraar agrees to the request. Plans are made to assemble all four criminals in one location. Meanwhile, the IG manages to secure reporter Natasha’s cooperation to relay news which will pacify the terrorist. The scene where IG Maraar confronts Natasha over her duty as reporter was good, but nothing new as we have seen similar scenes in movies involving Arjun, Vijayakanth etc.

As per Kamal’s instructions, the prisoners are to be brought to a old airport at 5pm. The police sends two escorts – Inspector Sethuraman and Ariff to send the four prisoners to the airstrip. He warns the IG that the airport as been booby-trapped and no policemen other than the escorts should be there. Kamal also tips off Natasha to be at the airstrip by 5pm.

By this time, the War Room gets external help by hiring a computer geek to try crack Kamal’s location. Some comedy scenes here.

The prisoners and two inspectors travel by a container on a truck to the airport. One of the prisoners try to rile Ariff, saying he is a traitor to their religion. Ariff is tensed. They arrive at the airstrip. Kamal communicates with the IG in the War Room and the group at the airstrip with conference call, so all of them are in the same loop. Kamal then instructs the four criminals to escape using a jeep located at one corner of the airstrip. He then informs that once the criminals escape and the two inspectors are back in the police HQ, he will reveal the bomb locations.

The four criminals walk towards the jeep, but an angry Inspector Ariff drags back one of them. He argues with his partner Sethuraman, saying that the four criminals should not be released just like that. The other 3 manage to enter the jeep. A handphone rings. One of the criminals, Santhanabarathi answers the call, thinking Kamal was calling to give instructions. The jeep explodes!

Everyone at the airports is surprised and confused. IG Maraar, unaware of the jeep explosion, asks Kamal where’s the bombs, since the four people have been released. Kamal asks him to get updates from his men at the airstrip. IG Maraar calls Ariff, and Ariff tells him about the situation. He also reveals that one of the prisoner is still alive because Ariff held him back. Kamal gets upset on hearing this. The IG gets angry and asks Kamal who is actually. Kamal then goes on a rhetoric – how terrorists are ruling over the mass using fear, how the common man in the street suffers, how governments are slow in investigation and catching the criminals , Why the common man should fight back, blah, blah,blah. As the IG prods Kamal, asking him whether his an Hindu or Muslim, Kamal asks back – “why can’t I be a Christian, Buddhist or atheist? Only the Hindu or Muslim can feel the pain of terrorism is it?” Some interesting dialogues, and a tiny verbal flashback hinting why Kamal took up vigilante terrorism.

Kamal then asks the police to kill the remaining criminal, and he will reveal the bombs’ location. The IG agrees, and orders Ariff to shoot the criminal. Ariff executes the remaining prisoner, and is then shot in the arm by Inspector Sethuraman – as a cover story, saying the prisoners tried to escape and Ariff got hurt in the encounter. Kamal gets the news from reporter Natasha that during “routine prisoner relocation exercise, four criminals who are terrorists were killed while trying to escape. A police inspector was also injured”. Kamal then reveals that the bags he placed were all empty. There are no C4 bombs. And the IG replied he thought so as well!

Hearing Kamal’s story, the computer geek also pretends that he didn’t find the location of Kamal, saying he is just a “common man” while Kamal is a “great man”. The policeman who helped to create the artist sketch of Kamal also blurts that he is now unsure if the guy had a beard or not. The IG is angry as the others seems to be supporting Kamal’s stand. He notices that the computer geek had actually found Kamal’s location but pretended otherwise. He then changes into casual clothes and drives by himself to the abandoned building.

Meanwhile, Kamal packs all his equipments, dumps them into a metal drum and explodes the items – leaving no trace. We see a nail-biting moment as the screen rotates between IG Maraar rushing to the building in his car and Kamal climbing down the stairs carry the groceries bought at the market early in the day.

The scene reaches the climax with IG Maraar noticing Kamal and stopping him outside the uncompleted building. The IG asks Kamal the time, and initiates some casual talks. Kamal drops some tomatoes on the ground, and they both pick the tomatoes. At that time, Kamal receives a call. The same female voice who called earlier to remind about the groceries. She asked him if he is on the way. Kamal replies in the affirmative, saying that he had bought all the groceries and walking back now. He also informs that one guy is talking to him, and he will be home soon. The IG asks him if he needs a lift pointing to his police jeep. Kamal says “police jeep?” and declines, saying that he stays nearby within walking distance. The IG introduces himself and shakes hands with Kamal. We can’t hear Kamal mention his name. Story cuts back to present time. Ex-IG Maraar closes the flashback and walks along the beach with his Labrador.

Storywise, its a remake from an Hindi movie, thus whatever shortcomings should have been ironed out. The story is different compared to regular masala mix or even vigilantism stories dished out in Tamil Nadu. There are some loopholes - for example, I don’t really see the police as that efficient until data asked by the IG can appear in 10 minutes.

However, I find it irrelevant to cast the reporter as a chain smoker. There’s no “Smoking is bad for health” notice as well during the shots involving reporter Natsha smoking.

Acting wise, nothing to complain about Kamal. He aces his role easily. Mohanlal on the other hand was not so convincing. At times, his facial expression doesn’t seem to match the situation – its basically emotionless. Actor Sriman did a cameo as Vijay-lookalike. Another Kamal favorite – Santhanabarathi had a minor role as well. Lakshmi also acted OK., having verbal duals with Mohanlal over authoritiy and power. Anuja Iyer as reporter played her role ably too, but I think her role did not require much effort. But most interesting was the two inspectors – Sethuraman and Ariff Khan. I think it won’t be long before we see them as heroes in Tamil movies.

Comedy in Kamal’s movies are mainly based on the dialogues. If one doesn’t understand Tamil or not in tune with current issues or important events, may miss many of the double entendres or jokes.

In terms of direction, movie was focused, not many unnessary scenes. The beginning part of the movies is more like stage-setting. Each character is introduced and given a bit of morality/characteristics – IG Maraar, Sethuraman, Ariff Khan, Chief Secretary, Natasha, and Kamal himself. After that, the characters were developed and we see how they intertwine neatly with one another. Lots of focus on gadgetry and weaponry.

Songs – No songs! The background musics was OK, adapted well into the movie. Other than that, can’t say Shruti Haasan did extremely well or anything.

Cinematography is good. It helps to create the expectation and tension in the audience, making them feel to be part of the movie, with its crisp shots, and close-ups.

Conclusion: A cool thriller. Not to be missed. And its short too!

Cast: Kamal Haasan, Mohanlal, Ganesh Venkatram, Anuja Iyer, Lakshmi, Karunanithi (voice)

Genre: Action, Thriller

Acting : 7.5/10

Story : 9/10

Special Effects: 8/10

Cinematography: 8/10

Overall Oomphness: 8/10

Note: Saw this movie in Sunway Pyramid on second day of Raya. Not much of a crowd, about slightly more than half full.

http://poobalan.com/blog/movies/2009/09/22/unnaipol-oruvan/

From: NOV on Tue Sep 22 1:58:03 2009.

Poobalan wrote:

Acting wise, nothing to complain about Kamal. He aces his role easily. Mohanlal on the other hand was not so convincing. At times, his facial expression doesn’t seem to match the situation – its basically emotionless.

amazing... exactly my thoughts .... and we didnt even talk abt it

From: breadpuli on Tue Sep 22 2:34:21 2009.

The bags he kept are empty but he did it to create a panic incase his demand is not met.
He can pass the location names to the reporter and people will see the bags and will be under panic.
I sound stupid right?

From: Kalyasi on Tue Sep 22 2:56:40 2009.

The bags he kept are empty but he did it to create a panic incase his demand is not met.
He can pass the location names to the reporter and people will see the bags and will be under panic.
I sound stupid right? Smile

Athu viewers a thesa thiruppi vidarathukaaga....

more over avar bag vecha ella edamum athey model la thaan vechu irupaar(Venkatachalapathy and Back sidela I love India)

Avar potta plan ella edathulayum simple a work out aayidichu apdi aagala na intha maadri media kitta solli panic a undu panni police a yet another angle la blackmail panna vechu irukalaam

Ippo kadaisila Abdullah va kolla mudiyathu nu solli nee poi sollara nu police sollitaanga na, Inspector Sethu oda Wife pora train la kooda bomb vechu iruken, avanga wife a yum kozhanthayum kaapathanum na Abdullah va kollanum nu oru demand pannarathukku irukalaam.... sethu wife ku call panni bag ethavthu irukaa nu ketaa aamaam nu solliduvaanga appo konnu thaane aaganum...

ellam plan B, Plan C

Eppavume Plan A easy ya workout aayidumaa? summa kelvi kekka koodathu!!

From: equanimus on Tue Sep 22 3:12:36 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

apart from logical flaws, i dont think there are any porulkuttrams as joe like to decipher...i hope iam right

SKV,
anga dhAn pirachchanaiyE!

From: Thirumaran on Tue Sep 22 3:17:40 2009.

From: dell_gt on Tue Sep 22 3:37:10 2009.

Sounds Perfect

talaivar kalakaru

Quote:

New record for UPO at Mayajaal!

The 10 screen Mayajaal multiplex on ECR near Chennai has become the highest collecting centre for Unnaipol Oruvan in Tamil Nadu!

Kamal Hassan’s classic has netted Rs 21, 74, 000 in four days (Sep 18 to 21) from 125 shows, making it the highest collecting multiplex for the film in Tamil Nadu.

Says Meenakshisundaram, Manager of Mayajaal multiplex: “The film is a super hit and we have collected more than Chennai city multiplexes.”

Kamal Hassan’s Rajkamal themselves are distributing the film in NSC area where Mayajaal is situated. Over 70 percent of the tickets sold are through online, making it a bigger hit.

The audience reaction to Unnaipol Oruvan is so good that next weekend there are already repeat audiences for the film.

Said John Vargheese an IT professional: “ Unnaipol Oruvan is a modern day Godfather as Kamal Hassan and Mohanlal come together like Al Pacino and Marlon Brando and they rocked!”

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14911465

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 3:38:19 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

Sakala,

Kamal says to Mohanlal that there are no bombs in the bag.

Ajay u r wrong. kamal NEVER says there r no bombs in bags. Infact he never uttered the word 'bag' at all to lal. All he says is, "Mr.Maraar, naan engeyum entha bomb um vekkalai" for which lal says " naan nenachen" or so.

for ur other part of q, Kalyasi's answer is perfect

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 3:41:57 2009.

apart from logical flaws, i dont think there are any porulkuttrams as joe like to decipher...i hope iam right

SKV,
anga dhAn pirachchanaiyE! Razz

equa, when most of the hub hadn't seen the film, i posted a PM to joe and bala -

Quote:

Joe & Bala,

http://susenthilkumaran.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post.html
மனசாட்சியில்லாத கமலஹாசன்

ur opinions r welcome

for which joe replied -

Quote:

Sakala,
I have read this and also did a comment there ..My comment is not about the main plot of the post ..Though i don't agree with his balant attack on kamal as 'Manasadchiyillatha' ,the point he raised cannot be completely ruled out ,IMO .

Lets talk about this few days later.

ithai vida soodana pathivu ontru inge
http://suguna2896.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_19.html

i was anticipating a disagreement from my side, based on these posts. As of now, joe had not posted any viewpoint and is asking us to wait, whereas you never saw the reply which joe PMmed to me. So, dunno what you r having in store.

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 3:41:59 2009.

apart from logical flaws, i dont think there are any porulkuttrams as joe like to decipher...i hope iam right

SKV,
anga dhAn pirachchanaiyE! Razz

hmm...good one!

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 3:48:20 2009.

amazing... exactly my thoughts .... and we didnt even talk abt it Cool

Poobalan wrote:

see the place where lal say "Naanga kashtapattu pidippom, ore oru phone call, arasiyalvaathiyo theeviravaathiyo, .........enga sagotharargal poNaththai porukkittu veettukku poidanum, avpadithaanee...pazhagiduchi" He never outbursts but his words does. i see this as controlled act.

As many blggers say, lal had more scope than kamal, and thats what scriptwriter kamal wished to happen. and his perf was simply great

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 3:52:26 2009.

UPO - NO.1!
Kamal’s adaptation of the Hindi cult hit A Wednesday has opened to rave reviews and very positive collections over the weekend. With powerhouse performances by Kamal and Mohanlal, the movie is a riveting ride on the abilities of a common man.

Trade Talk:
The movie garnered good collections over the weekend and looks like will retain the same atleast for the near future.

Public Talk:
Black ticket sellers reign.

No. Days Completed: 3
No. Shows in Chennai over this weekend: 211
Average Theatre Occupancy over this weekend: 92%
Collection over this weekend in Chennai: Rs. 52,98,934

Verdict: Good Opening

Source: http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-slide-shows/movie-4/top-ten-movies/tamil-cinema-topten-movie-unnaipol-oruvan.html
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 3:53:20 2009.

Box Office Report - Eenadu
Eenadu – Kamal Hassan and Venkatesh starrer "Eenadu" is a common man's answer to terrorism. Directed by Chakri Toleti, Kamal Hassan stars as the common man who demands the release of four terrorists and Venkatesh stars as the police commissioner who's negotiating with Kamal Hassan. It's new storyline, slick screenplay and great acting by Venkatesh and Kamal Hassan is a big hit with the multiplex crowd. Now in 2nd position at BO.

Plus:Good story, interesting screenplay and great acting. Cinematography and Background score.

Minus:Lack of songs, dance and comedy.
At the BOX OFFICE -
A CENTERS - Good
B CENTERS - Average
C CENTERS - Average

Trade verdict: Good Start

http://www.123telugu.com/slideshow/movies/B/Box_Office_Report_21_09_09/Box_Office_Report_Eenadu2.html
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 3:56:40 2009.

why he plants empty bags in different locations?

Just to make audience think that he is a terrorists.

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 4:02:32 2009.

Hmm. If police didn't come to his way with efforts so far ,he can further threaten with these bugs ..Eventhough there is no bombs inside ,since the first bag with same design and look had bomb ,police will frighten to see the same kind of bag and assume that there is same kind of bomb ,until they attempt to defuse it .

So it is just additional measure if prior one failed.

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 4:07:04 2009.

From Rajini Thread..

Nerd wrote:

Rajini’s added appreciation for Unnaippol Oruvan
September 21, 2009
An exclusive screening of Unnaipol Oruvan was held for superstar Rajinikanth recently. Impressed by the movie, Rajini embraced Kamal after the screening expressing his delight and appreciation. He was quoted as saying that Kamal’s work is an honor for the original movie, A Wednesday.

Rajini also raved about the movie saying that only Kamal is capable of presenting such a brilliant work. Not the one to refrain from appreciating the work of colleagues, Rajini stated that Mohanlal’s work is mind-blowing in the movie.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 4:18:42 2009.

I'd already posted this in the Hindi thread i think.

[disclaimer: This numbers game comparison vs terror will take a beating if one takes into consideration places like Iraq where it is full-blown and will force one to take it more seriously than accidents and mowing downs i guess]

http://englishtamil.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-06-06T03:33:00-04:00

Quote:

The movie's premise, leaving aside what seems obvious, hinges on the subtextual notion that Muslims in India don't say/do enough to show that they are angered by the terrorist attacks that happen in India. So the director has decided to prove their 'Indianness' through his protagonist -- the 'common man.' But he doesn't want to make it obvious. It's subtle (ok, not so). The 'common man' speaks with a vocabulary quite peculiar to a certain community (mulk being the 'give away' word). So you know that the man behind this holy mission is a Muslim. Oh how unctuous?

The 'common man' who decides to take his anger out in the form of a threat -- another series of bomb blasts -- sends a message to the ruling bureaucracy that he is 'sick and tired.' What exactly is he sick and tired of? The answer to this question and the questions that surround the answer is what makes this movie so problematic.

First, the answer: The 'common man' delivers a sermon in which he describes the afflictions of a middle class man who commutes to work every day. He's troubled by the distant probability of him getting killed by a terrorist attack. Even more so because his fellow commuter -- a youngster with his 'entire life ahead' -- is killed by one that happened 'recently.'

There are about 20 million people living in and around Mumbai. Based on the terrorist attacks that have hit the city in the last decade, the average number of people killed every year would be less than 50. The probability that our 'common man' would be one of that 50 out of the 20 million is quite negligible. Actually, it's like the same guy winning the lottery twice (given that the 'common man' just survived an attack). He's more likely to be one of the 3,500 people who get killed every year on Mumbai's suburban railway lines alone.

Of course, one might say, "terrorism kills some and terrorizes the rest." True. I'll grudgingly admit that the 'common man's anxiety -- that he cannot go to work, and make that day's wage (or more) -- is justified on more practical (and probable) grounds than the improbable death itself. But where does his paranoia and outrage fit?

In a city that is brought to a grinding halt for days, sometimes weeks, every year by the monsoon? In a city where half its population lives in slums? In a city where raging mobs have killed more people than the blasts themselves? In a city where people are mowed down in greater numbers?

No. It fits in his middle class cocoon of a mind, preserved by ignorance and hypocrisy. The same thing that informs the movie's myopic perspective. It's no coincidence that the 'common man' picks four terrorists (three Muslim) to "purify" the country from. (It's quite ironic that he lists Malegaon among the other terrorist attacks.) While he questions why these men weren't convicted (or kept alive?) yet, he doesn't mention why no one is even indicted in many cases involving Hindu mobs.

I wonder if Naseeruddin Shah realized that he has risked becoming the Muslim poster-boy who viciously condemns 'Islamic terrorism.' One that is supposed to love India. Just like Sharukh Khan did in Chak De India. It's quite messed up when you think about it. I have probably been through a lot less than an Indian Muslim has, but even I don't 'love' India. But dare not he/she say that. At least not while in India. As if Naseeruddin Shah wasn't enough, the movie also has a cardboard cutout, Muslim police officer who's ready to get shot in the arm, and perhaps sacrifice his life, for the country. He's one of the many heroes in the infallible body that works day and night to protect the people: the Mumbai police. Need I say more about them?

The truth is, there is no 'common man.' There are those who are not Dalit, not poor, not illiterate, not political, and not silenced. By virtue of not being any of them he's already immune to their social malaise. Their misery doesn't seem to trouble him. The middle class 'common man' has little in common with majority of his fellow humans. 'Common man' is the last thing he should call himself.

Note: If you have not seen the movie yet, this post may not make sense. (This is not a review.)

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 4:19:49 2009.

The Abdullah character, Best bakery "link"... disappointing Thalaiva!
From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 4:20:33 2009.

UPO is total Kamal Haasan vAippillAmai in terms of performance
From: joe on Tue Sep 22 4:40:09 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

The Abdullah character, Best bakery "link"... disappointing Thalaiva!

From: MADDY on Tue Sep 22 4:43:48 2009.

http://englishtamil.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-06-06T03:33:00-04:00
There are about 20 million people living in and around Mumbai. Based on the terrorist attacks that have hit the city in the last decade, the average number of people killed every year would be less than 50. The probability that our 'common man' would be one of that 50 out of the 20 million is quite negligible. Actually, it's like the same guy winning the lottery twice (given that the 'common man' just survived an attack). He's more likely to be one of the 3,500 people who get killed every year on Mumbai's suburban railway lines alone.

Of course, one might say, "terrorism kills some and terrorizes the rest." True. In a city that is brought to a grinding halt for days, sometimes weeks, every year by the monsoon? In a city where half its population lives in slums? In a city where raging mobs have killed more people than the blasts themselves? In a city where people are mowed down in greater numbers?

the author consider terrorism as lower priority but riots as higher priority?? moreover the social implications of terrorism - isolation of muslims, hindu fanatics reaction etc - can it be equivalent to any monsoon or train accidents? being a mumbaiite myself in past - i find this author's line of thinking absolutely rubbish......u cannot react to a adversity with statistic scheet in ur hand

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 4:46:45 2009.

joe wrote:

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

The Abdullah character, Best bakery "link"... disappointing Thalaiva!

can that be just a pass-by, like hiroshima & pearl harbour?? all the scriptwriter wud have intended is to make the terrorist character speak of just justification for his case, eventho it never justified in reality?

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 4:58:47 2009.

The Abdullah character, Best bakery "link"... disappointing Thalaiva! Mad

can that be just a pass-by, like hiroshima & pearl harbour?? all the scriptwriter wud have intended is to make the terrorist character speak of just justification for his case, eventho it never justified in reality?

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 5:03:02 2009.

Sagala,
Pearl Harbor Hiroshima is at a different paadhaalam. No comparisons. This is different. The issue is not that best bakery cannot be a "justification" (it very well can). Andha characterization, and the hurried hapazard attempt to put a link to the inciden, kovai etc......
From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 5:12:38 2009.

You know what..I actually agree on Bolly's Muslim poster-boy (Kabir khan in Chak De is an apt example). But projection of N'Shah as a muslim seemed to be lot less subtle than I thought. As said before, the point of this film is not to make any eminent distinctions of "common man". By its end, it doesn't conclusively reveal a lot about this man. But yes, there are giveaways (like Shah's lexicon).

Typical Suresh though. The notion of "Common man" as a misnomer, and purported anger & 'angst' a manifestation of middle class ignorance and hypocrisy. What's new?

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 5:17:51 2009.

the author consider terrorism as lower priority but riots as higher priority??

1. Chicken-egg
2. A corpse does not care whether it got killed by terrorists or by a mob. However, one has to think which is worse - to lose a kin to a ravaging intent mob or to lose a kin who ends up as a random victim of a terror strike?

Quote:

moreover the social implications of terrorism - isolation of muslims, hindu fanatics reaction etc - can it be equivalent to any monsoon or train accidents? being a mumbaiite myself in past - i find this author's line of thinking absolutely rubbish......u cannot react to a adversity with statistic scheet in ur hand

Yes, terrorism has the potential to explode in no time unlike accidents and such like. Its like an epidemic.

[disclaimer: This numbers game comparison vs terror will take a beating if one takes into consideration places like Iraq where it is full-blown and will force one to take it more seriously than accidents and mowing downs i guess]

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 5:18:54 2009.

Quote:

The truth is, there is no 'common man.' There are those who are not Dalit, not poor, not illiterate, not political, and not silenced. By virtue of not being any of them he's already immune to their social malaise. Their misery doesn't seem to trouble him. The middle class 'common man' has little in common with majority of his fellow humans. 'Common man' is the last thing he should call himself.

Excellent! This is a thought that often crosses my mind - especially when the phrase "innocent victim" of terrorism turns up. Let's say I die in a terrorist attack tomorrow - I'll be far away from being "innocent", as would most of us, irrespective of the randomness of me getting caught in the attack.

From: equanimus on Tue Sep 22 5:27:26 2009.

எல்லாம் ஒரு ஊகம் தான், SKV. திரியைக் கிள்ளிப் போடத் தான் அந்த போஸ்ட்.

About what I think of the film: Firstly I think the original film itself is grossly overrated. UPO, by and large a faithful remake, follows suit. [My previous little post on the same.]

From: complicateur on Tue Sep 22 5:27:41 2009.

I agree with Bala that the chronology of the events isn't so much the point as the underlying philosophy. I am not sure that this is what was intended by Neeraj Pandey.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 5:31:51 2009.

Is it just me or did anyone else think that 3 biwi reference was sticking out? I remember reading in the papers recently that Hindus are more bigamous than Muslims, contrary to popular perception.
The idea is not statistical comparison. A film maker can have this line said by a Sikh also. Thats besides the point. The issue is because this character is like a Madhur Bandarkar film

From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 5:33:50 2009.

But a 'victim' nonetheless. Because. Of. Terrorism. Lives do get affected. I get your point though. Films like "Mumbai Meri Jaan" would be a lot less problematic because it doesn't draw big conclusions, and limits to idiosyncrasies. This film however will get its share of flak.

Quote:

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 5:37:42 2009.

படத்தில் சொல்லப்பட்டிருக்கும் சில விடயங்கள் பலரும் வேறு வேறு கோணங்களில் புரிந்து கொள்ளும் வகையில் இருக்கிறது . சொல்லப்பட்ட கோணத்திற்கும் ,பெரும்பான்மை பார்வையாளர்கள் எடுத்துக்கொள்ளும் விதத்துக்கும் நேரெதிர் முரண்பாடுகள் வருவதற்கு வாய்ப்பு உள்ளது ..இத்தகைய பூடகமான உத்தி வேண்டுமென்றே செய்யப்பட்டதா தெரியவில்லை

ஒரு படத்தில் ஒரு பாத்திரம் பேசும் வசனம் வசனகர்த்தாவும் இயக்குநரும் சொல்ல முற்படும் கருத்தா அல்லது அந்த பாத்திரத்தின் தன்மையாக சித்தரிக்கப்படுவது மட்டுமா என்ற கேள்வி எழுகிறது ..அவரவர் தேவைக்கேற்ப எப்படி வேண்டுமென்றாலும் எடுத்துக்கொள்ளலாம் .

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 5:41:02 2009.

Is it just me or did anyone else think that 3 biwi reference was sticking out? I remember reading in the papers recently that Hindus are more bigamous than Muslims, contrary to popular perception.

Me too ..Also ,I don't know how to take Santhana Bharathi's comment ..Is it justified by Vasanakartha or to show how cruel Santhana bharathi was.

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 5:44:10 2009.

I don't understand what is big difference between Kamal's anger and Abdullah's anger ..Both were talking about similar incidents which happened at same area and time...Did i misunderstood what kamal was talking about ?
From: ajaybaskar on Tue Sep 22 5:45:28 2009.

There were few laughters in the theatre when they showed Karate Raja and Santhanabharathi as terrorists..

From: Kalyasi on Tue Sep 22 5:46:41 2009.

Is it just me or did anyone else think that 3 biwi reference was sticking out? I remember reading in the papers recently that Hindus are more bigamous than Muslims, contrary to popular perception.

Me too ..Also ,I don't know how to take Santhana Bharathi's comment ..Is it justified by Vasanakartha or to show how cruel Santhana bharathi was. Rolling Eyes

Santhana Bharathi - Cruel.... Cudn't Stop Laughing!!

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 5:47:17 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

There were few laughters in the theatre when they showed Karate Raja and Santhanabharathi as terrorists..

Thanks to Santhana Bharathi and Kalyasi i was laughing even when i was outside the theater.

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 5:48:02 2009.

Is it just me or did anyone else think that 3 biwi reference was sticking out? I remember reading in the papers recently that Hindus are more bigamous than Muslims, contrary to popular perception.

Me too ..Also ,I don't know how to take Santhana Bharathi's comment ..Is it justified by Vasanakartha or to show how cruel Santhana bharathi was. Rolling Eyes

Santhana Bharathi - Cruel.... Cudn't Stop Laughing!!

Lets forgot Santhana bharathi ..Take it as that Hindu Character

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 5:48:24 2009.

I have never signed so many autographs in my life.

Meet the ATS officer of Unnaipol Oruvan
http://movies.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/sep/22/slide-show-1-south-interview-with-ganesh-venkataraman.htm

From: ajaybaskar on Tue Sep 22 5:53:30 2009.

There were few laughters in the theatre when they showed Karate Raja and Santhanabharathi as terrorists..

Thanks to Santhana Bharathi and Kalyasi i was laughing even when i was outside the theater.

Why was SB selected for that role?

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 5:54:22 2009.

..Both were talking about similar incidents which happened at same area and time...Did i misunderstood what kamal was talking about ? Embarassed

I don't understand what is big difference between Kamal's anger and Abdullah's anger Rolling Eyes

kamal says naan 1000 perai ketkiren
avan (avanai veliye vittaa) latcham perai ketpaan

kamal is threatening that he will kill 1000s of ppl if terrorists wasn't killed, but he will never kill.
abdullah [possibly] already killed lakhs of ppl.

now leave the purpose, but whose anger is worth?

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 6:02:14 2009.

There were few laughters in the theatre when they showed Karate Raja and Santhanabharathi as terrorists..

Thanks to Santhana Bharathi and Kalyasi i was laughing even when i was outside the theater.

Why was SB selected for that role?

SB did his trademark comedy[without even knowing its comedy]
karate raja vai terrorist nnu sonnaale comedy thaan
abdullaa did justce with that stupid dialaaks
innoru terrorist ai pesave vidalai

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 6:23:11 2009.

Sagala,
I don't think Joe is referring to that. Rendu perukkume "driving force", "reason" as narrated by themselves seems to be the same. Adha solraaru...
From: equanimus on Tue Sep 22 6:26:52 2009.

By the way, I read the second blog-post that SKV pointed to, yesterday. And it talks about something I've been meaning to say in response to the discussion regarding "balancing" a few pages back. Firstly, the original film itself attempts to do a good deal of "balancing" in my reading. Actually most of its choices are markedly conventional. It is the Muslim cop who is more ruthless to terrorism and specfically to the four convicts, the anonymous caller himself is probably a Muslim, and so on. The film clearly plays on these notions to comfort the liberal audience, so to say.

Now, coming to some of the alterations made in the remake to correct some of its politics, I think they are in vain and amount to nothing meaningful. For instance, making one of the four terrorists a Hindu is to my mind a useless move in the context of the sort of terrorism the film tries to address. As if to highlight this, the film actually has the character say that he had no ideological reasons for doing whatever he did!

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 6:30:09 2009.

Is it just me or did anyone else think that 3 biwi reference was sticking out? I remember reading in the papers recently that Hindus are more bigamous than Muslims, contrary to popular perception.
The idea is not statistical comparison. A film maker can have this line said by a Sikh also. Thats besides the point. The issue is because this character is like a Madhur Bandarkar film

Bala, that article said abs(Number of Hindu polygamists)> abs(Number of Mus polygamists). Which you would expect since the ratio is like 78% to 12% or so in terms of total population.

It didnt talk about percentages

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 6:33:21 2009.

Though the film did not get an extraordinary opening (first day), it has seen an upswing by sheer word of mouth publicity all over TN.
It is said that 10-12 screens were added after the initial day. Ticket rates were also good. This is remarkable, given the absolutely inept publicity of RKFI, as is their wont. Padathukku modha naal rendu auto driver en kitta Padam ennaikku release, yaaru hero nu kettaanga! :
Add to that a film which is under 2 hours, with no songs or heroine, comic elements, same costume location for the hero.
This is path breaking not because of the merits of the film itself, which is below Thalaivar's standards IMO but because it takes a Kamal Haasan to take this format to our audience and succeed. Matra makers/actors bayappadaama varuvaanga. Pushpak, Kurudhippunal ellam annaikke kuduthuttaan Thalaivan, but this one seems to be creating more of an impact, though as a product it is inferior to the other two.
Thalaivan kalakkuraan
From: Kalyasi on Tue Sep 22 6:37:20 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Sagala,
I don't think Joe is referring to that. Rendu perukkume "driving force", "reason" as narrated by themselves seems to be the same. Adha solraaru...

Avaru aana konnavana mattum thaan kollaraaru, matha public a avar baathikarathu illa....

athunaala thaan he says, "I Need More Landing Space and Police Officers a thalli e nikka sollaraaru" So he takes more caution in making sure that only those who are the culprits are the only ones who are punished....

Pinne Athu Matteru!!
From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 6:40:29 2009.

Bala,
Didn't it seem a lot less of Kamal in this compared to say Pushpak, Kurudhipunal, etc. In fact I could make-out he gave full liberty to Toleti team.

Any suggestions of becoming a Blockbuster? Or do you think it will wane down a bit in coming weeks, and end up being a Superhit.
From: Kalyasi on Tue Sep 22 6:41:05 2009.

'I would have done Kamal's role of a common man'

http://movies.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/sep/15/slide-show-1-south-telugu-actor-venkatesh-on-eenadu.htm

utta double act kepaan pola

aasaya paaru

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 6:41:21 2009.

I think you are right, percentage-wise sollala nu nenaikkaren. Still, Abdullah paya characterization seri illainga!

From: MADDY on Tue Sep 22 6:45:42 2009.

how was BGM by Surudhi? BGM for Wednesday was pretty flat IMO.......... BGM for a similar movie - "Aamir" by Amit was more eye catching
From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 6:48:35 2009.

I thought the BGM was not bad....her style suited the film
From: Kalyasi on Tue Sep 22 6:49:21 2009.

MADDY wrote:

how was BGM by Surudhi? BGM for Wednesday was pretty flat IMO.......... BGM for a similar movie - "Aamir" by Amit was more eye catching

Thappu onnum solla mudiyathu... paappa kudutha velaya ozhunga senjurukku!!
From: MADDY on Tue Sep 22 6:51:54 2009.

thanks kalyan and Bala .......she should do a musical (not to be read like mechanical) now
From: ajaybaskar on Tue Sep 22 6:52:43 2009.

Her BGM was not bad. But an IR or ARRwould've taken the film to a different plane altogether.
From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 6:57:13 2009.

MADDY wrote:

how was BGM by Surudhi? BGM for Wednesday was pretty flat IMO.......... BGM for a similar movie - "Aamir" by Amit was more eye catching

Ippo sollunga. There was a time I was the lone flag-bearer of Amit Trivedi in the hub.

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 7:00:20 2009.

I think you are right, percentage-wise sollala nu nenaikkaren. Still, Abdullah paya characterization seri illainga!

seri vudunga, I dont think we expected much from this one except that it should run decently thereby reducing the power of distributors or interfering parties w.r.t kamal's next movie. As long as it does that...

I liked the original but as equa said, it got more than its share of plaudits thanks to the "slightly-different-from-normal-in bollywood-is-great" mentality pervading the country these days. Enna, kamal konjam politics-ai left politics-A maathi magic paNNuvArnu oru nappAsai irundhudhu...paravA illa, oNNum nashtamilla.(heck, i havent seen the movie, edhukku ipdi oru comment, konjam pEsAmalE irukkEn!)

From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 7:02:13 2009.

Enna, kamal konjam politics-ai left politics-A maathi magic paNNuvArnu oru nappAsai irundhudhu...paravA illa, oNNum nashtamilla.(heck, i havent seen the movie, edhukku ipdi oru comment, konjam pEsAmalE irukkEn!)

Plum,
Very less of Kamal in this film. IF any, negligible.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 7:02:28 2009.

Plum,
This was "another good film this year" in Bollywood. Here its a "great film"

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 7:04:00 2009.

Plum,
Very less of Kamal in this film. IF any, negligible.

Raajkamal padam, ivar nominate panna director-nga

So, ivarukku pangu illai nu vida mudiyadhillaya?

From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 7:05:27 2009.

Bala,
This film was definitely touted as the best among indhiwallas. Especially the brigade in major blogs, notably BR's. Over-hyped considering it conforms to pseudo-nationalism. Still I have began to enjoy such films.

From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 7:06:18 2009.

Plum,
Very less of Kamal in this film. IF any, negligible.

Raajkamal padam, ivar nominate panna director-nga Smile

So, ivarukku pangu illai nu vida mudiyadhillaya?

Amaam-la. Wogay.

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 7:09:41 2009.

k_g, athai chollunga

BR has a weakness for Naseer(understandable) and his wife Supriya (inexplicable). Apram the Rishi Kapoor fixation etc. Avaru konjam easily satisfied or dissatisfied. Sometimes I feel he is less of a reviewer and more of a writer looking for a subject to write about, and not talented enough to manufacture fiction so using film reviews to express himself. I feel that the writer in him takes over often, and the temptation of a neat narrative in the essay overrides any reasonable attempt at evaluating the movie he saw objectively. He ofcourse completely destroys this argument with "reviewing IS subjective". That is fine, but my feeling is reviewing is an excuse to write for him, and sometimes it shows up badly.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 7:11:17 2009.

Bala,
This film was definitely touted as the best among indhiwallas. Especially the brigade in major blogs, notably BR's. Over-hyped considering it conforms to pseudo-nationalism. Still I have began to enjoy such films.

Oh! Naan naama hub reaction a veche paar-poora reaction a extrapolate pannitten

And pona varusham there were other good movies, so i thought this was pathoda padhinonnu....
Bharadwaj Rangan-e overrated aittaaro!

Plum,
Many of the reviews by our hub Beeshma P.M's are way better than BR's and Roger Ebert's.

From: equanimus on Tue Sep 22 7:15:55 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Raajkamal padam, ivar nominate panna director-nga
So, ivarukku pangu illai nu vida mudiyadhillaya?

Actually I too was somehow thinking of this as just an acting assignment since UTV was anyway producing it, etc. sari pOgattum, appadi enna perusA Raajkamal productions 'nA ippadi irukku, appadi irukkumnu nAmaLE nenachchikkittu.

From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 7:17:18 2009.

BR has a weakness for Naseer(understandable) and his wife Supriya (inexplicable). Apram the Rishi Kapoor fixation etc. Avaru konjam easily satisfied or dissatisfied. Sometimes I feel he is less of a reviewer and more of a writer looking for a subject to write about, and not talented enough to manufacture fiction so using film reviews to express himself. I feel that the writer in him takes over often, and the temptation of a neat narrative in the essay overrides any reasonable attempt at evaluating the movie he saw objectively. He ofcourse completely destroys this argument with "reviewing IS subjective". That is fine, but my feeling is reviewing is an excuse to write for him, and sometimes it shows up badly.

k_g, athai chollunga Smile

I get this feeling quite often.

Besides what you've said, I have grown tired to romanticism of 70's-80's masala, and while reviewing, to painstakingly elucidate the similarities/metaphors to that period (also actors) and the yesteryear formula passed as some form of a "merit" in itself.

From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 7:19:56 2009.

Yes Bala, hub Reaction was sort of mixed. But It won hubber's Indhi film of the year, no? I remember "Mithya" lost quite badly.
From: equanimus on Tue Sep 22 7:21:22 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Plum,
Many of the reviews by our hub Beeshma P.M's are way better than BR's and Roger Ebert's.

AhA, edhai manasula vechchikkittu nInga ippadi ellAm pEsaRInga? appuRam Roger Ebert'ai ellAm En indha Attaththukku izhukkaRInga?

From: kid-glove on Tue Sep 22 7:23:33 2009.

Plum,
Many of the reviews by our hub Beeshma P.M's are way better than BR's and Roger Ebert's.

AhA, edhai manasula vechchikkittu nInga ippadi ellAm pEsaRInga? Smile

appuRam Roger Ebert'ai ellAm En indha Attaththukku izhukkaRInga?

Ebert is your favorite, isn't it? Not a big favorite, but still I look up to his opinion on movies.
BR on the other hand has waned a lot in my estimation.

From: MADDY on Tue Sep 22 7:30:11 2009.

kid-glove wrote:

Yes Bala, hub Reaction was sort of mixed. But It won hubber's Indhi film of the year, no? I remember "Mithya" lost quite badly.

votes got split kanna-pinna........i voted for Aamir, PunderscoreR voted for JTYJN, u and bala voted for Mithya, Nerd dhaan therila .......in the cycle gap, mainstream bollywood fans voted a landslide for budhankizhamai ......this year - DevD should sweep all awards i say

kid-glove wrote:

There was a time I was the lone flag-bearer of Amit Trivedi in the hub

lets have patience - more would join........1960, 1976, 1992, 2008

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 7:32:59 2009.

Now, coming to some of the alterations made in the remake to correct some of its politics, I think they are in vain and amount to nothing meaningful. For instance, making one of the four terrorists a Hindu is to my mind a useless move in the context of the sort of terrorism the film tries to address. As if to highlight this, the film actually has the character say that he had no ideological reasons for doing whatever he did!

I think there is a lala in original too, not all a4 are muslims. same ration there 3 muslims and 1 hindu

Cinefan, can u recall?

From: AravindMano on Tue Sep 22 7:35:07 2009.

MADDY wrote:

lets have patience - more would join........1960, 1976, 1992, 2008

Indha thread la ippadiyellaam sollaadheenga! Already they are promoting Shruthi that way in radio ads! Yaaraachum Shruthiya solreenga nu ninachukka poraanga

I was mightly impressed with Amit's work in Aamir. (Songs as well as BGM). Innum maththadha kekkala.
From: equanimus on Tue Sep 22 7:35:44 2009.

kid-glove wrote:

Ebert is your favorite, isn't it? Not a big favorite, but still I look up to his opinion on movies.

Not the favourite, but I certainly enjoy reading his reviews a lot.

Plum wrote:

BR has a weakness for Naseer(understandable) and his wife Supriya (inexplicable).

Uh, that would be Ratna Pathak Shah, Supriya's sister.
From: AravindMano on Tue Sep 22 7:36:17 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

I think there is a lala in original too, not all a4 are muslims. same ration there 3 muslims and 1 hindu

Cinefan, can u recall?

yeah, one lala there too. I remember.
From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 7:37:03 2009.

1960-la yaaru? MSV-yA? MSV debuted in early 50's, and even before that ghosted for SMS, apparently or allegedly.

From: MADDY on Tue Sep 22 7:39:00 2009.

AravindMano wrote:

lets have patience - more would join........1960, 1976, 1992, 2008 Cool

Indha thread la ippadiyellaam sollaadheenga! Already they are promoting Shruthi that way in radio ads! Yaaraachum Shruthiya solreenga nu ninachukka poraanga Laughing

I was mightly impressed with Amit's work in Aamir. (Songs as well as BGM). Innum maththadha kekkala.

they know i wont support even rahman;s kids leave alone kamal's

.......i knew someone would come from the streets and try to blow away rahman trend (atleast co-exist)

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 7:52:33 2009.

surudhi paappaa - for the expectation she raised thru her facebook album and UPO songs(to some extent) the BGM is not up to the mark. leave alone California meejic institute et all.. but she has some spark. so lets not put her into the red-hot review chamber and wait until her next work which is complete.

why i say 'complete' is, for a newcomer, UPO is not a complete platform to show case all the skills

oorla avanavan, ponna berikkala padikka vechittu meejic industree la introduce pannumpothu enamaathiri padam koduppan?? oru intro song, atleast moonu duettu, oru thathuva song, oru kuthu song ect aana nammaalu, totally out of the world

paappaa meejik pottaa MD salary michamnu yosichavaru, paappaa ethirkaalam pathi yoosicharaa. waat irreshpaansible i say
From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 7:56:37 2009.

appo surudhikku grammy urudhi illaiyA?
(with due apologies to Bala)
From: Thirumaran on Tue Sep 22 7:59:47 2009.

MADDY wrote:

// they know i wont support even rahman;s kids leave alone kamal's . //

Un naerma enakku pidichirukku
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 22 8:03:31 2009.

MADDY wrote:

.......i knew someone would come from the streets and try to blow away rahman trend (atleast co-exist) //

iam sure that will happen (koranjathu 10 years)
but iam equally sure by that time he will be in totally different trend & country (aaliwood)

From: kalyan on Tue Sep 22 9:18:30 2009.

bala,

a few clarifications:

1) AFAIK, no Muslim leader has come with a STRONG condemnation of terror attacks. whatever has happened wrt the delhi imam and deobandis is just "a slap on the wrist". why dont they ask Sharia to be imposed on the perpetrators of these heinous crime? why no fatwa has been issued against any terrorist organisations?

2) It is rubbish to think that you can fall into the 'common man' category only if you are a minority, dalit or an illiterate. in fact, the middle class man sustains the entire economy on his shoulders by paying the maximum tax. if he cannot be called as the 'common man' then who can be called as one?

3) If the Best Bakery incident is a justification for terror, then the Best bakery incidence itself can be justified (though incorrectly) as a reaction to burning down 59 passengers in Sabarmati express. why does the media wants to bownplay the Sabarmati express incident?

these are my serious doubts which i would like to get answered. this is not to offend or hurt anybody. the mods are free to delete this post if they feel this is offensive [

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From: irir123 on Tue Sep 22 10:01:31 2009.

Plum,
Many of the reviews by our hub Beeshma P.M's are way better than BR's and Roger Ebert's.

AhA, edhai manasula vechchikkittu nInga ippadi ellAm pEsaRInga? Smile

appuRam Roger Ebert'ai ellAm En indha Attaththukku izhukkaRInga?

Ebert is your favorite, isn't it? Not a big favorite, but still I look up to his opinion on movies.
BR on the other hand has waned a lot in my estimation. Rolling Eyes

one of the best ever reviewers is TY BURR (Boston Globe) - if and when he says a movie is good, I have always found it good with a few rare exceptions - whereas Ebert, is more moderate, in the sense, he calls almost every other movie good!

From: P_R on Tue Sep 22 10:49:17 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Plum,
This was "another good film this year" in Bollywood. Here its a "great film"

Naan innum padam paakkalai, but ippidi dhaan indha Plum-Oda vaazhappazha oosigaLai edhirkoLLaNum

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:00:03 2009.

Plum,
This was "another good film this year" in Bollywood. Here its a "great film" Razz

Naan innum padam paakkalai, but ippidi dhaan indha Plum-Oda vaazhappazha oosigaLai edhirkoLLaNum Thumbs Up!

ungaLa ellAm apramA gavanichukkarEn

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 11:13:45 2009.

Plum wrote:

appo surudhikku grammy urudhi illaiyA?
(with due apologies to Bala)

"Adutha padathil Deivakkuzhandhai Surudhi grAmiya award-ai kaippatriye theeruven ena urudhi alithullaar"
[This is how our local media attribute quotes to Indian captains.. actual-a appadiyellam sollirtukkave maattaanga]

P.S: Unarchivasappattu oru ilaignar ani thondan, (Saandhi theater la) oru banner la rendu side Surudhi photovum naduvula mattum Thalaivar photo-va pottuttaan. Konjam puthi solla vendhiyadha pochu

From: P_R on Tue Sep 22 11:14:15 2009.

Conceptually this film is as indefensible as Anniyan. So I really don't think much serious .

The angle that they didn't 'explore' enough IMO was the commissioner likely to see his career as one where overall objectives became restricted to the restrictions of the framework within which he operated.

The truth is, there is no 'common man.' There are those who are not Dalit, not poor, not illiterate, not political, and not silenced. By virtue of not being any of them he's already immune to their social malaise. Their misery doesn't seem to trouble him. The middle class 'common man' has little in common with majority of his fellow . 'Common man' is the last thing he should call himself.

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Excellent!

Not political, not silenced ellAm engErndhu vandhudhu ??
To call the 'common man' simply an artificial construct doesn't seem correct. True he may be uberfocused about his own problems than anyone else's and feels they are not been solved actively enough by his government. It is not difficult to understand his 'social anger' is it ?

He has little in common with the majority of his fellow ??
When you split the 'fellows' in splinter groups with specific concerns, then the only common thread they all share is indeed what the 'common man' is angry about ?

My problem with Wednesday was that it the not made clear what was it the system was struggling with that the common man managed to achieve ? Just that one line from Anupam Kher that he had become used to releasing captured terrorists.

But he becomes the person who is handling the situ and making decisions - for the cat & mouse effect - so the 'cop frustratingly caught in a system' is lost (think Commissioner Gordon in Batman).
And then he is not even guided by some misplaced morality, he is shown to be more 'realistic'. He knows who is giving the film star prank calls, he has an encounter faked, he is just as glad to have the terrorists shot etc.

And finally what does the whole operation achieve in terms of effect. For public perception it was yet another encounter. The public is anyway going to continue to hate the cops who won't tell the TV watchers what is happening. The extremist will see it as yet another police atrocity that needs to be paid back by another bombing. The only ones thrilled by uncommon acts of the common man is just us who are outside the reality of the movie !

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 11:23:21 2009.

P_R,
The point the blogger is making IMO is that the film is a very Mumbai/N.I newspaper/NDTV kind of "enough is enough" report.
From: joe on Tue Sep 22 11:29:46 2009.

Wednesday paththi pesuRavanga naaLaikku wednesday -kkuLLala pesi mudichirunga ..AppuRama UPO pathi thaan pesaNum
From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:30:57 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

P_R,
The point the blogger is making IMO is that the film is a very Mumbai/N.I newspaper/NDTV kind of "enough is enough" report.

yes, this is the (perceived by me)point I was agreeing with. I am always addressing an imaginary, my pet hate, audience so this was indeed what I was addressing - the fake 'enough is enough' crowd from sources Bala is quoting - although I dont think a S.I newspaper or SUN News is not similarly culpable in a different context either.
From: P_R on Tue Sep 22 11:31:55 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

P_R,
The point the blogger is making IMO is that the film is a very Mumbai/N.I newspaper/NDTV kind of "enough is enough" report.
Yeah I got that. But in dissing that, it ended up (inadvertently) sounding like asking the 'common man' "idhai vida remba baadhikkappattavangaLE summA irukkAinga unakku enna vandhudhu ?", to the extent denying the very existence of 'common man'. I found that a little farfetched.
From: AravindMano on Tue Sep 22 11:32:54 2009.

After reading many irritating 'analysis' about & 'politics' of the film, this was a cracker.

http://10hot.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/unnai-pol-oruvans-lurking-messages-what-are-the-hidden-themes-from-kamal/

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 11:33:23 2009.

And finally what does the whole operation achieve in terms of effect. For public perception it was yet another encounter. The public is anyway going to continue to hate the cops who won't tell the TV watchers what is happening. The extremist will see it as yet another police atrocity that needs to be paid back by another bombing. The only ones thrilled by uncommon acts of the common man is just us who are outside the reality of the movie !

Yes! idhanaala enna, idhukkapparam enna?

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:35:47 2009.

The truth is, there is no 'common man.' There are those who are not Dalit, not poor, not illiterate, not political, and not silenced. By virtue of not being any of them he's already immune to their social malaise. Their misery doesn't seem to trouble him. The middle class 'common man' has little in common with majority of his fellow . 'Common man' is the last thing he should call himself.

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Excellent!

That's precisely the point - just as the patriotic indian making that "we'll not stand any more of this, we'll light candles in marine drive" statement is throwing darts in the dark(the only point they are making is that they are 'patriotic' while others who dont join them arent).

All the same, the movie as such transcended that and bought me into the reaction - as Baradwaj Rangan noted, I suspect Naseeruddin Shah might have a lot to do with that buy-in - the film worked for me despite my aversion to its 'politics' or I could say 'naivette' or 'deliberate fake naivette'. As you observed, it was going to achieve exactly the opposite of the objective it purported to.

I still suspect that Neeraj Pandey doesnt have any political point to make, and just exploited that sentiment for a well crafted film.

From: P_R on Tue Sep 22 11:39:04 2009.

AravindMano wrote:

After reading many irritating 'analysis' about & 'politics' of the film, this was a cracker. Very Happy

http://10hot.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/unnai-pol-oruvans-lurking-messages-what-are-the-hidden-themes-from-kamal/

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 11:41:38 2009.

P_R,
The point the blogger is making IMO is that the film is a very Mumbai/N.I newspaper/NDTV kind of "enough is enough" report.

Yeah I got that. But in dissing that, it ended up (inadvertently) sounding like asking the 'common man' "idhai vida remba baadhikkappattavangaLE summA irukkAinga unakku enna vandhudhu ?", to the extent denying the very existence of 'common man'. I found that a little farfetched.

Ovvorutharukku ovvoru prachanai. While taking up the "cause" of a segment which is not the majority or that which does not have relatively more pressing problems (which itself may not be a problem), there is an implicit assertion that this 'common man' represents the 'common man' of India, if ever there was one.

From: app_engine on Tue Sep 22 11:43:58 2009.

Plum wrote:

I still suspect that Neeraj Pandey doesnt have any political point to make, and just exploited that sentiment for a well crafted film.

Why should any film make any political point? I think CNA / MK / MGR have "corrupted" the minds of TN'ers to such an extent that they're trying to find "political message" in every acclaimed movie I don't think Mumbai viewers have this mental baggage and can enjoy a movie simply for the art's sake...

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:45:41 2009.

http://10hot.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/unnai-pol-oruvans-lurking-messages-what-are-the-hidden-themes-from-kamal/

AravindMano wrote:

After reading many irritating 'analysis' about & 'politics' of the film, this was a cracker. Very Happy

Used as I am to baradwaj rangan's reviews, for a moment, i didnt realise that the blog post wasnt serious. BR ipdi thaan Hindi padangaLukku extra-fitting poduvAr.
(or was this blogger being serious? )

From: P_R on Tue Sep 22 11:46:07 2009.

No no app_engine. The film appears to be political so the expectation is natural here. But it is just a nice thriller - adhuvE konjam adhigam. Hence the statement.

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:47:16 2009.

app_engine wrote:

I still suspect that Neeraj Pandey doesnt have any political point to make, and just exploited that sentiment for a well crafted film.

Why should any film make any political point? I think CNA / MK / MGR have "corrupted" the minds of TN'ers to such an extent that they're trying to find "political message" in every acclaimed movie Confused

I don't think Mumbai viewers have this mental baggage and can enjoy a movie simply for the art's sake...

ada naan eppOnga apdi sonnEn. Infact, given my aversion to the sentiment as I mentioned, I am analysing that the fact that I liked the movie makes me interpret that the director didnt mean to make a political point - if I had perceived otehrwise, I wouldnt have liked the movie.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 11:47:50 2009.

The film definitely makes a political point or two: Majority agree with its politics, a minority of us don't. Some are indifferent to its politics

From: P_R on Tue Sep 22 11:47:54 2009.

innikku neenga BR-ai romba dhaan kalaaikkureenga.

The thakkALi-vengaayam was hilarious

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:48:12 2009.

app_engine wrote:

I still suspect that Neeraj Pandey doesnt have any political point to make, and just exploited that sentiment for a well crafted film.

I don't think Mumbai viewers have this mental baggage and can enjoy a movie simply for the art's sake...

Maddy paarkaradhukkuLLa idhai azhichudunga

From: app_engine on Tue Sep 22 11:48:51 2009.

ok, P_R, Let me watch UPO and comment

(I have neither watched wednesday nor have plans)

From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:50:17 2009.

yeah, I guess. romba kaduppEtharAr, uvar aanar

innikku neenga BR-ai romba dhaan kalaaikkureenga.

The thakkALi-vengaayam was hilarious Laughing

From: joe on Tue Sep 22 11:50:25 2009.

app_engine wrote:

I think CNA / MK / MGR have "corrupted" the minds of TN'ers to such an extent that they're trying to find "political message" in every acclaimed movie

This is good example for 'common man' statement.
From: joe on Tue Sep 22 11:52:00 2009.

app_engine wrote:

ok, P_R, Let me watch UPO and comment

(I have neither watched wednesday nor have plans)

Don't worry ..Inge mukka vaasi per UPO paakkama thaan pesittirukanga
From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:55:53 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

The film definitely makes a political point or two: Majority agree with its politics, a minority of us don't. Some are indifferent to its politics

It is impossible for me to empirically establish otherwise, Bala, but I really feel a twinkle in Naseer's eyes when he makes that long speech in the end. As Equanimus pointed out, the careful, conventional balancing attempts with the muslim cop, and the implications that the common man himself is a muslim indicate otherwise. Add to it the 'boo' moments with Arif zeroing in on a under-construction building inter-cut with Shah in the terrace, thus giving an impression that Arif has rounded him up; the elaborate planting of bombs in 5 places, which many pointed here as flaws are clearly attempts to 'thrill' the audience. It seems to me the very reason the flaws might have passed the scripting stage is the director's excitement at the expected audience reaction. Unless you think that the muslim cop and the muslim common man are diktats to muslims on what is the ideal behaviour expected from them.
From: Plum on Tue Sep 22 11:57:13 2009.

Yay! After a long time, I managed a post fully in English!

From: kalyan on Tue Sep 22 12:29:27 2009.

The film definitely makes a political point or two: Majority agree with its politics, a minority of us don't. Some are indifferent to its politics Smile

It is impossible for me to empirically establish otherwise, Bala, but I really feel a twinkle in Naseer's eyes when he makes that long speech in the end. As Equanimus pointed out, the careful, conventional balancing attempts with the muslim cop, and the implications that the common man himself is a muslim indicate otherwise. Add to it the 'boo' moments with Arif zeroing in on a under-construction building inter-cut with Shah in the terrace, thus giving an impression that Arif has rounded him up; the elaborate planting of bombs in 5 places, which many pointed here as flaws are clearly attempts to 'thrill' the audience. It seems to me the very reason the flaws might have passed the scripting stage is the director's excitement at the expected audience reaction. Unless you think that the muslim cop and the muslim common man are diktats to muslims on what is the ideal behaviour expected from them.

may not be diktats, may be 'models' you can say; but is it wrong for us to expect that? after all arent they also Indian citizens?
why shouldnt their blood boil when somebody across the border is attacking the indian parliament and so on??

From: breadpuli on Tue Sep 22 12:34:28 2009.

Watched again from a B class center.
Interval time I spoke to a repeated audience who can be considered as "low class" or "common man" or "B/C class audience" or whatever.
He said what the police could not do is done by the hero (killing the bad guys). So for him it is like good guy defeating the bad guys though not with muscle but with brain.

So movie clicked in B/C centers

PS : I asked him a question - Would not it have been better if Kamal threatened the polce to handover the terrorists to him and he literally beats them to death.
Guess what his response was ! ! !
From: marma_yogi on Tue Sep 22 13:39:21 2009.

Any idea why thalaivar's wife said "Oh, Insha Alla va?" (if god willing). I took it as a sarcastic reply when thalaivar says" Ezhu manikku mudicha varen"

I guess these whole conversation has a sarcastic undercurrent rather than trying to establish the religion of thalaivar. Any comments?
From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 13:45:36 2009.

My wife watched the film in Padmam today evening. Houseful, of course and start to finish neraya clappings nu sonnaanga
From: Cinefan on Tue Sep 22 14:05:25 2009.

Uff!8 pages in a day.Even if I want to reply to a few posts,I don't know where to start.

So I hereby decide not to reply
From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Sep 22 14:11:10 2009.

By the way, Allah Jaane is absolutely rocking especially Thalaivar's "aalaap" at the beginning...

From: lostangel on Tue Sep 22 20:33:45 2009.

Any idea why thalaivar's wife said "Oh, Insha Alla va?" (if god willing). I took it as a sarcastic reply when thalaivar says" Ezhu manikku mudicha varen"

I guess these whole conversation has a sarcastic undercurrent rather than trying to establish the religion of thalaivar. Any comments?

Up till last night, I had a different view and was almost certain Kamal was not a Muslim...but after talking with the wifey, I am now of a different opinion

From my point of view, the phone conversation with his wife, shows Kamal to be a Muslim who has kind of become an atheist....

Stick with me here for a minute....

The wife says "Oh, Insha Alla va?" It seems that the wife is not a Muslim and she is implying to her Muslim husband when he says hopefully he will back home by whatever time..."Oh, Insha Alla va?" Seems to me like how a non Muslim would tell a Muslim person, no ?

Again, my opinion only...

I think I really need my coffee fix now...

From: groucho070 on Tue Sep 22 21:56:39 2009.

Watching it again with my fiance this weekend. Script flaws aside, and since I was not surprised by the twists, its worth revisiting. Fiance anxious to know who this Ganesh feller is seeing that her boyfriend is raving about him

From: kalyan on Wed Sep 23 0:40:20 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

Watching it again with my fiance this weekend. Script flaws aside, and since I was not surprised by the twists, its worth revisiting. Fiance anxious to know who this Ganesh feller is seeing that her boyfriend is raving about him Razz

bro,
ooops

I was thoroughly misguided for a moment, first about your gender and then your orientation.

you meant 'fiancee' right?

From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 23 1:18:46 2009.

Yeah, Kalyan, its fiancee with an accent on one of its "e". Thanks for highlighting. I always make that mistake...not to worry after two weeks time I will have no use for that word
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Sep 23 1:26:27 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

By the way, Allah Jaane is absolutely rocking especially Thalaivar's "aalaap" at the beginning...
had this be used in end credits it wud hav been more super. ennamo ulagathula ulla ellaa theeviravaathiyayum pottu thallitta maathiri "unnaipol oruvan".....
From: kid-glove on Wed Sep 23 1:50:23 2009.

Congrats Groucho.
From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 23 1:55:22 2009.

Thanks, Thilak. By the way, what is your take on this movie? And thanks for reading my review.
From: kid-glove on Wed Sep 23 1:56:43 2009.

As with the original, there are fundamental issues and such, but doesn't stop one from enjoying, does it?
From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 23 2:08:07 2009.

Of course, nit-picks aside. Thoroughly entertaining. Back in days after KP's success, I was thinking, "hah, now we will have more films of such quality," Appuram paarthaa, 90s turned out to be the worst decade in filmaking...for me that is.
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 23 3:04:00 2009.

Kravucho, Congrats!
From: Kalyasi on Wed Sep 23 3:23:07 2009.

groucho Congrats!!
From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 23 3:23:53 2009.

Thanks Bala....I know why your third emoticon is laughing. It's saying, "Vadee, join the club". Okay, back to the topic, Groucho.

Joe, you may want to give link to your blog posting. Just read and commented.
From: joe on Wed Sep 23 3:33:45 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

Joe, you may want to give link to your blog posting. Just read and commented.

It is not a review ,just few thoughts already been discussed in blog world.

Anyway ,here it is
http://cdjm.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_23.html
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 23 3:44:57 2009.

joe wrote:

Anyway ,here it is
http://cdjm.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_23.html

P.S: I'm also an example for this Insha Allah thing....
From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 23 3:47:53 2009.

Thanks Kalyasi.

Let's see how this film feels watching with someone who don't speak Tamizh, understands very little and watched 5 Tanthiram ten times because she thinks Kamal was hot!
From: joe on Wed Sep 23 5:08:33 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

joe wrote:

Anyway ,here it is
http://cdjm.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_23.html

P.S: I'm also an example for this Insha Allah thing....

Thanks Bala ..innum konjam points solliyirukkalam ..appuram solvom.
From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 23 5:29:00 2009.

A close friend, who's like my family member mailed me this comment after watching the show:

Utkaarntha idattilirunthe nadikka mudiyumnaaa........athu kamalthaanyaa..

more & more...my MOHANLAAL.....antha police nadai & Malayaalam kalantha vasanam...super..

From: Kalyasi on Wed Sep 23 5:42:27 2009.

Anyway ,here it is
http://cdjm.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_23.html

P.S: I'm also an example for this Insha Allah thing....

Thanks Bala ..innum konjam points solliyirukkalam ..appuram solvom. Smile

3.தீவிரவாதிகளை ஒன்றாக சேர்த்து ஆப்பரேஷன் ஆரம்பிக்கும் முன்னர் இரண்டு போலீஸ் அதிகாரிகளிடமும் பேசும் மோகன்லால் , கடைசியாக ஒரு அதிகாரியிடம் தனியாக " ஆரிஃபை பார்த்துக்கோ" என சொல்லுகிறார். ஆரிஃப் ஒரு முஸ்லீம் என்பதால் அவரை நம்பமுடியாது எனவே அவர் மேல் ஒரு கண் வைத்துக்கொள் என மோகன் லால் சொல்லுவதாக சிலர் சொல்லுகிறார்கள் ..ஒருவர் சொன்னார் ..இல்லையில்லை ..ஆரிஃப் மிகவும் துடிப்பானவர் ..ஆத்திரத்தில் தன்னிச்சையாக முடிவுகள் எடுத்து விடுவார் (அப்படி ஒன்றை அவர் பின்னர் செய்வார்) எனவே தான் மோகன் லால் கவனமாக இருக்கச் சொன்னார் என்கிற கோணத்தில் சொல்லுகிறார் ..எதை எடுத்துக்கொள்ள?

Intha edathula Mohanlal Sethu Kitta "Ella Vishayamum Nalla Mudinjathukku Approm Arif a Gavanikanum - Though it sounds illegal you know ........" appadi solluvaar.... actual a Mohanlal Sethu kitta Arif a Kadaisila Suda sonnatha thaan appadi thrilling a yaarukum easy ya puriyatha maadri sollaraar... appadi sutta thaane kooda vantha police officer oruthara suttutu thappichutaanga nu media matrum matra thalaingalukku solli case a mudikka mudiyum!!

From: joe on Wed Sep 23 5:55:02 2009.

Anyway ,here it is
http://cdjm.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_23.html

P.S: I'm also an example for this Insha Allah thing....

Thanks Bala ..innum konjam points solliyirukkalam ..appuram solvom. Smile

மோகன் லால் இரு அதிகாரிகளுடனும் அலுவலகத்தில் பேசி வழியனுப்பும் போது சொன்னது இவை ..அப்போது தீவிரவாதிகளை ஒப்படைக்கப்போவதாகத் தானே திட்டம் ..தீவிரவாதிகள் சாவது பின்னர் இவர்களே எதிர்பாராமல் நடப்பது ..பின்னர் எப்படி முன்னரே இதை சொல்லியிருக்க முடியும்?

From: directhit on Wed Sep 23 6:09:01 2009.

ஒரு வேளை மோகன்லால் க்கு தீவிரவாதிகளை (கமல் உட்பட) சுட்டு கொன்று விட உத்தேசம் இருந்திருக்கலாம் அதனால் (தான் நினைத்ததை செய்ததால்) தான் கமலை பின்னர் கைது செய்யவில்லை... கூட்டி கழிச்சு பாத்தா கணக்கு சரியா வருதா?

From: joe on Wed Sep 23 6:12:30 2009.

directhit wrote:

ஒரு வேளை மோகன்லால் க்கு தீவிரவாதிகளை (கமல் உட்பட) சுட்டு கொன்று விட உத்தேசம் இருந்திருக்கலாம் Razz

அதனால் (தான் நினைத்ததை செய்ததால்) தான் கமலை பின்னர் கைது செய்யவில்லை... கூட்டி கழிச்சு பாத்தா கணக்கு சரியா வருதா? Confused

இது இன்னொரு கோணமா

இதையும் சேர்த்துக்கலாம்

From: Kalyasi on Wed Sep 23 6:26:19 2009.

Intha edathula Mohanlal Sethu Kitta "Ella Vishayamum Nalla Mudinjathukku Approm Arif a Gavanikanum - Though it sounds illegal you know ........" appadi solluvaar.... actual a Mohanlal Sethu kitta Arif a Kadaisila Suda sonnatha thaan appadi thrilling a yaarukum easy ya puriyatha maadri sollaraar... appadi sutta thaane kooda vantha police officer oruthara suttutu thappichutaanga nu media matrum matra thalaingalukku solli case a mudikka mudiyum!!

Merkonda Bold matrum Red varigalai kaanungal!!

athukku apparom lal sethu oda pesa ve maataar.... ellame arif oda thaan....

From: joe on Wed Sep 23 8:29:14 2009.

Merkonda Bold matrum Red varigalai kaanungal!!

athukku apparom lal sethu oda pesa ve maataar.... ellame arif oda thaan....

Puriyuthu ..Thanks

From: Dilbert on Wed Sep 23 9:39:29 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

Thanks Kalyasi.

Let's see how this film feels watching with someone who don't speak Tamizh, understands very little and watched 5 Tanthiram ten times because she thinks Kamal was hot!

Groucho Garu Congrats..! Welcome to the next phase of an interesting part of your life.. !! May god bless you guys with all the happiness and prosperity you ever need.

I would like quote this , once a wise man said

that a successful marriage depends on two things: (1) finding the right person and (2) being the right person.

From: Dilbert on Wed Sep 23 9:45:51 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

By the way, Allah Jaane is absolutely rocking especially Thalaivar's "aalaap" at the beginning...

Bala Garu "aalaap" yenna bro!!
From: Appu s on Wed Sep 23 9:56:34 2009.

he is talking about the "aalap" the prelude of the song.
From: Srimannarayanan on Wed Sep 23 12:32:04 2009.

Chennai Box Office (September 18-20, 2009)

Tuesday, 22 September , 2009, 10:33
Last Updated: Tuesday, 22 September , 2009, 10:40

Kamal Hassan’s Unnaipol Oruvan, as expected, has taken over the number one slot at the Chennai Box Office this Ramzan weekend. The film has netted an amazing Rs 56,09, 221 from 11 screens in Chennai, which is awesome by any yardstick, and the film is a hit.
At number two is Shankar’s Eearam, which is holding on quite well though the Kamal film is eating into its audiences. Prabhudeva’s Pokkiri remake in Hindi Salman Khan’s Wanted, is the winner among the Hindi releases and is at number three. It is doing very well in single screens like Albert.

At number four is Ninaithale Inikkum, and in the last position is Kanthaswamy

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14911413&cid=13525926
From: Srimannarayanan on Wed Sep 23 12:48:53 2009.

[tscii]
UPO: The change is complete

Unnaipol Oruvan going great guns in Chennai city; collects over 20 lakhs at a single Cineplex within four days of its release. These are really handsome figures, though not record breaking by any standards. There have been many movies over the past that have shown far better collections in their initial days at theaters. For example, Unnaipol Oruvan might not able to match the figures netted by Dasavatharam. But what makes these 20 lakhs special are that they have been earned by Unnaipol Oruvan, which was hardly considered a candidate for great success. Of course, we all had great expectations from the movie because it came from the stables of Rajkamal and had Ulaga Nayagan Kamal Haasan in the lead with Mohanlal for company. We knew that it would be a class offering with a deep impact, because many of us were aware of and had seen ‘A Wednesday’. But, like many other class offerings of the past, there was the fear that box office success might just elude this thoroughly deserving product.

This fear is not without reason. There have been many Kamal masterpieces that have been quite universally acknowledged as high quality cinema but failed to leave any impression at the box office. Think about Hey Ram, Anbe Sivam or any others that belong to this category. The thing about such films was that they seemed to make it to theaters only because they featured Kamal Haasan. In his absence, such stories and films would never have been made, leave alone finding theaters to release. It was as if

good cinema had its place in the hearts of Tamil audiences but not on the big screen for any long period. The big screen always belonged to true commercial entertainers which had all elements to regale our minds in around 3 hours.

Now, Unnaipol Oruvan perhaps marks the crescendo of change that has begun in the reception of films that are of the ‘other’ kind, driven by elements that are non-commercial. There has been the odd film over the years that has kept breaking predictions to achieve box office success, like Cheran or Bala products. But, they were far and few in between and could be counted only as exceptions rather than as the rule. 2008 seems to have changed things from that position. Now, a film that chooses to stick to an honest and story driven form of narration is far more likely to find acceptance a few years ago. Counting Subramaniapuram, Pasanga, Naadodigal, Vennila Kabaddi Kuzhu, all in the span of 12 months, we have to accept that a wave of change in audience’s taste has occurred.

But, many might not be happy with the examples cited above. Though these movies did eliminate a lot of commercialism like punch dialogues, item numbers and the like, they still definitely contained a lot that was conventionally commercial. For instance, the comedy track, violence that could often border on the brutality and songs. In that respect, they could never be called ‘pure’ cinema. That is why Unnaipol Oruvan is important. It hopefully completes the transition of the average Tamil audience to the discerning who can pick out the genuinely good products from the rest and give it the recognition when it is still in theaters, not long after.

Unnaipol Oruvan has neither a comedy track, nor any song, nor violence, no heroine, no romance. Its dialogues might pack a punch but they are not what we would call punch dialogues. The maker has been confident enough to not include a song even in the opening or closing credits. Perhaps the only commercial present in the entire movie is the presence of a huge star, Kamal Haasan, but he is also a synonym for quality cinema in our times. In spite of being so starkly unconventional and non-commercial, if Unnaipol Oruvan is doing a smashing round at the box office, it does mean that audiences have begun to broaden their horizons beyond just time pass entertainment. For the success of Unnaipol Oruvan, congrats to the makers and to the ‘new look Tamil audience’.

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-articles/movies-08/unnaipol-oruvan-23-09-09.html
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 23 13:45:54 2009.

@ above
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 23 14:15:56 2009.

Amaam, Sify enna 11 screens nu potrukkaan? I mean are they consistent in limiting this to only strictly city theaters for all movies?

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 23 14:16:40 2009.

http://andhracafe.com/index.php?m=show&id=39752

Quote:

Eenadu, the Telugu remake of A Wednesday has hit the bulls eye, with a lot of critical acclaim flowing in. The film has also been appreciated by the audience and the combination of the experienced Kamal Hassan and the newbie director Chakri Toletti has worked well.

Venkatesh has added weight to the film with his sparkling performance. Each aspect of the film has appreciated, including the music which is going hand in glove with the over all theme of the film.

Going by the early trade reports, the film would well turn out to be a money spinner..

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 23 14:17:29 2009.

Kerala report please.....
From: marma_yogi on Wed Sep 23 15:18:14 2009.

[tscii]
To all hubbers, willing/wanting to share their comments (both positive as well as negative) see the following from Orkut UHKH community.
If you are interested get in touch with the following Vijay TV contact:

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ATTENTION FRIENDS - Unnai Pol Oruvan Spl.
There's a special show to be conducted for Star Vijay tv for Kamal Hasssan's "Unnai Pol Oruvan". Shooting on 26th Sept. Anyone who has seen Sir's movie and woul like to express their review and appreciation, pls contact Miss.DANNY (9791097589). Last date 25th Sept.
Do inform your friends and interested people.

Fellow orkut saga Bala:
●๋•вαℓα●๋•
spoke with danny..... and they want us to give a true feedback abt the movie......all constructive criticism are welcome......

they said, kamal ji has told them that his fans analyse his movies a lot comes out with new dimensions and any flaws if there is something........and hence he wants to hv our true feedback abt UPO.....

so, those who r all having some valid points to talk abt UPO,,,, pls call danny in tat number by tomorrow around 1pm(as she got some other shoot in the morning)
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From: NOV on Wed Sep 23 20:06:43 2009.

Watched UPO again with the kids this time.
All of us absolutely loved the film.

chinna chinna kuraigal irundhaalum (kamal clearly says, pai kaali) on the whole, UPO pramaadham.

was able to note a lot more things better at second viewing.
computer geek - tho cliche driven - was absolutely rocking.
ganesh and the other cop couldnt have been better.
kamal, needless to say, smoothened the entire story-telling (tho I wonder why he needs a gun )
the only weak portrayal was mohanlal - teh superb chemistry that should have been between him and Lakshmi came off as artificial.

now planning for a third viewing
From: RC on Wed Sep 23 20:49:39 2009.

NOV wrote:

(tho I wonder why he needs a gun )

thannOda safety-kkaaga irukkalaam... If need be he could use it on himself... illayaa?
From: NOV on Wed Sep 23 20:52:23 2009.

while there was an absence of a comedy track in UPO, there were no lack of wit and jokes.

Quote:

inspector: maththathu aandavan kaiyila
cm: adhu sikkalaana vishayamaachE

Quote:

computer geek
hi babe... korean sounds good
girlfriend saar

the irony of the situation was aptly shown with kamal's silence when he learns that Arif is one of the 2 escorts

RC, quite weak defense.
nothing would have changed with not having that gun.
2ndly, on the bomb issue in the remaining bags, could have easily given some code for diffusing them.
From: jaypeenattu on Wed Sep 23 22:10:30 2009.

so-so review from kumudam. i dont know what they want as a good movie.
From: AudazJay on Thu Sep 24 0:13:04 2009.

Quote:

computer geek
hi babe... korean sounds good
girlfriend saar

He looked kinda familiar though. Is he the same boy who used to act in most of Mani's films? The one who acted in May Madham precisely?

From: joe on Thu Sep 24 0:14:46 2009.

AudazJay wrote:

Quote:

computer geek ROTFL

hi babe... korean sounds good LOL

girlfriend saar

He looked kinda familiar though. Is he the same boy who used to act in most of Mani's films? The one who acted in May Madham precisely?

ஆம்!

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 24 1:23:54 2009.

you guys forgot that he acted in ati leelaavathi as kamal's Son. Sir will say "periya engeeniyeraa varuvaan!!" and that became true (atleast in his movies)
From: NOV on Thu Sep 24 2:51:39 2009.

thank you guys, now I am able to place him.
From: jaypeenattu on Thu Sep 24 3:02:04 2009.

how is the vikatan review. any body seen it

From: NOV on Thu Sep 24 3:02:23 2009.

wiki wrote:

Tarun was born January 8, 1983 in a Hindu family, he is a south Indian film actor and is the son of Roja Ramani (Telugu/Tamil/Kannada actress) who works in the Telugu & Tamil Cinema. He came to prominence as a child artist in Mani Ratnam's Anjali. Tarun acted as the elder brother of the mentally challenged Anjali, earning him and his co-stars, Shyamili and Shruthi, National Film Award for Best Child Artist in 1991.

Tarun has also acted in both May Madham and Sathi Leelavathi (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarun_Kumar )

But then, the computer geek is certainly NOT Tarun Confused2

From: jaypeenattu on Thu Sep 24 3:04:20 2009.

vikatan review is good

From: Appu s on Thu Sep 24 3:06:22 2009.

Tarun has also acted in both May Madham and Sathi Leelavathi (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarun_Kumar )

But then, the computer geek is certainly NOT Tarun Confused2

wiki wrote:

its not Tarun, his name is Anandh krishnamoorthy. tarun acted in Maymadham ?

From: directhit on Thu Sep 24 3:09:01 2009.

NOV wrote:

(according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarun_Kumar )
see now
From: NOV on Thu Sep 24 3:11:34 2009.

directhit wrote:

NOV wrote:

(according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarun_Kumar )
see now
From: joe on Thu Sep 24 3:14:02 2009.

Nov,
Tarun is hero in Enakku 20 unakku 18 ..Trisha and shreya acted it.

Intha paiyan Ananth acted in Sathileelavathi as kamal's son.
From: NOV on Thu Sep 24 3:18:33 2009.

Got it Joe. http://mdeii.blogspot.com/

sadhi leelavathi wiki sadhi pannidichu
From: groucho070 on Thu Sep 24 3:22:26 2009.

Wiki is a village bicycle encyclopedia. Anyone can have a ride on it.
From: joe on Thu Sep 24 3:30:38 2009.

Vikatan gave just 42 ennatha sollurathu

From: NOV on Thu Sep 24 3:34:14 2009.

Anand Krishnamoorthy wrote:

Kind residents of Madras

I need your help in tracing somebody.

She was spotted near Coffee? (the place in RA Puram) this evening about 8. She got out of a Silver Honda City (so says CC, but he's not sure) with 3 other blokes (and that's the slightly worrisom part). She was dressed in a very lovely white printed skirt—the sort that not too many girls can carry off gracefully, and hence you don't see too much of these days. She also sported black heeled shoes, and a slightly crappy handbag. She speaks very clear unbroken Tamil.

My gaze was averted unfortunately when I got a call and had to rush elsewhere.

If you do know her, or if you are her, please get in touch with me. Information leading to positive identification, and positive identification leading to meaningful contact, will be rewarded.

From: AudazJay on Thu Sep 24 3:36:38 2009.

He did act in Anjali though, as one of Tarun's friend. Maybe wiki got confused by that. But I remember watching him in Suhashini's drama, Penn. He acted as a cancer patient with Amala as the doctor. Very subtle yet effective acting

From: AudazJay on Thu Sep 24 3:40:20 2009.

Why didn't I think of it before?

Anand Krishnamoorthy wrote:

Great tactic

From: jaypeenattu on Thu Sep 24 4:31:04 2009.

review in vikatan is good but just 42 marks. I cant understand their yardstick
From: Thirumaran on Thu Sep 24 4:52:25 2009.

Can some one post those Kumudam/ AV reviews
From: marma_yogi on Thu Sep 24 7:15:17 2009.

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நகரின் முக்கிய இடங்களில் வெடிகுண்டுகளை வைத்துவிட்டு அவற்றை வெடிக்கச் செய்யாமல் இருக்க, போலீஸ் கமிஷனர் மோகன்லாலிடம் பேரம் பேசுகிறார் கமல். இந்தியாவின் முக்கியமான குண்டுவெடிப்புகளுக்குக் காரணமான தீவிரவாதிகளை விடுவிக்க வேண்டும் என்பது பேரம். காவல் துறை தனது முழு பலத்தைப் பிரயோகித்தும் கமலின் இருப்பிடத்தைக் கண்டுபிடிக்க முடியவில்லை. டெக்னிக்கலாக அப்படியரு தண்ணி காட்டுகிறார்! வேறு வழி இல்லாமல் நான்கு தீவிரவாதிகளையும் கமல் சொல்லும் இடத்துக்கு அழைத்துச் செல்கிறார்கள். அடுத்த இருபது நிமிடங்களுக்கு பளீர், சுளீர் திருப்பங்கள். ஹிந்தியில் வெளியான 'எ வெட்னெஸ்டே' படத்தின் தமிழாக்கம். காலையில் மார்க்கெட்டில் வாங்கிய காய்கறிகள் வாடி வதங்குவதற்குள், மாநகரத்தைத் துளிகூட சலனப்படுத்தாமல் போலீசுக்கும் அரசியல்வாதிகளுக்கும் பாடம் எடுக்கிற ஜெட் வேகத் திரைக்கதைதான் படத்தின் ரியல் ஹீரோ.

ஃபிரேமுக்கு ஃபிரேம் தானே ஆக்கிரமிக்க நினைக் கிற ஹீரோக்களுக்கு மத்தியில் பிற நடிகர்களுக்கும் சமமான ஸ்கோப் - சொல்லப்போனால் தன்னைவிடக் கூடுதலாகவே - வாய்ப்பு கொடுத்த கமலுக்கு அன்பான கைகுலுக்கல்கள்.

போலீஸ் கமிஷனராக மோகன்லால், பெர்ஃபெக்ட் ஃபிட். அசாத்தியமான சூழலில் ஒரு நேர்மையான காவல் அதிகாரியின் செயல்பாடுகள் எப்படி இருக்க வேண்டும் என்பதைத் துல்லியமாகக் கண் முன் நிறுத்துகிறார். தலைமைச் செயலாளருடன் உரசிக்கொள்ளும்போதும் தனது ஜூனியர் அதிகாரிகளிடம் கனிவும் கண்டிப்புமாக வேலை வாங்கும்போதும்... வெல்டன் லால் (த.செ-வாக வரும் லட்சுமியின் க்ளோஸ்-அப்களைத் தவிர்த்திருக்கலாம்)!

படம் முழுக்க ஒரே இடத்தில் இருந்தபடி ஹெட்போன் மைக்கில் பேசிக்கொள்வதுதான் கமலின் வேலை. ஆனால், அதிலும் எக்ஸ்பிரஸ் எக்ஸ்பிரஷன்களைக் காட்டி மறுபடி நிரூபிக்கிறார். சீனியருக்கு சின்சியர் ஜூனியர்களாக வரும் பரத் ரெட்டி, கணேஷ் வெங்கட் ராம் எல்லாமே கேரக்டருக்கு ஏற்ற மிடுக்கு! நியூஸ் ரிப்போர்ட்டராக வரும் அனுஜா ஐயர், மோகன்லாலிடம் 'கேன் ஐ ஸ்மோக் ஹியர்?' எனும் இடத்தில் 'அட' போடவைக்கிறார்.

ஒரு 'காமன் மேன்' இத்தனை அசகாயக் காரியங்கள் மூலம் அரசு இயந்திரத்தை ஸ்தம்பிக்கச் செய்ய முடியுமா என்ற சந்தேகம் எழுகிறதுதான். ஆனால், அதற்கான டெக்னிக்கல் சங்கதிகளைக் காட்டி நியாயப்படுத்திவிடுகிறார்கள். தேவை தில்லும் துணிச்சலும்தான்!

ஆனால், படமே கொஞ்சம் டெக்னிக்கல் அறிவை வேண்டி நிற்கிறபோது, காட்சிக்குக் காட்சி இங்கிலீஷில் இப்படி சொடுக்கியிருக்க வேண்டுமா? ''ரீ-மேக் படத்தை இன்னொரு வாட்டி தமிழில் டப்பிங் பண்ணுங்கப்பா!' என்ற காமென்ட்கள் காதில் விழுகின்றன.

கேமராமேன் மனோஜ் சோனியின் ஒளிப்பதிவு கிரிஸ்டல் கிளியர். அறிமுகம் என்பதாலேயே மனம் போன போக்கில் வாத்தியங்களை இசைக்கவிடாமல் கச்சிதமாக பின்னணி இசையை ஸ்கோர் செய்திருக்கிறார் ஸ்ருதிஹாசன். ஹிந்தி ஒரிஜினலில் அந்தக் கதை நாயகனின் கோபத்துக்குக் காரணமான ரயில் குண்டுவெடிப்புகள், படத்தின் க்ளைமாக்ஸில் அவன் வார்த்தை களில் வெடிப்பதற்கு வலுவான களத்தை ஏற்படுத்திக் கொடுக்கும். இங்கே கமலின் கோபத்துக்குச் சொல்லப்படுவதோ, இங்குள்ள வெகுஜனத்தின் உணர்வுகளைத் தூண்டாத தூரத்து சமாசாரங்கள் பல (பெஸ்ட் பேக்கரிகூட!).
எந்த மதத்திலிருந்து வந்தாலும் தீவிரவாதத்தைத் தண்டிப்பதில் தாமதம் கூடாது என்ற நியாயமான உண்மையைப் பளிச்சென்று கன்னத்தில் அறைந்த மாதிரி சொல்லியிருக்கலாம். அதையே, கன்னத்தில் தடவிச் சொல்லவேண்டிய நிர்ப்பந்தம் (நாலில் மூவர் முஸ்லிம், ஒருவர் ஹிந்து!) திரைக்கதை, வசனகர்த்தாவுக்கு இங்கே இருப்பது புரிகிறது. ஆனால், க்ளைமாக்ஸ் வேகத்தை அதுவும் சேர்த்தல்லவா நீர்க்கச் செய்கிறது!
இருந்தாலும், 'இவனைப் போல் நம்மில் எத்தனை பேர்?' என்ற ஏக்கம் எழவே செய்கிறது!

42/100

-விகடன் விமர்சனக் குழு

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From: Thirumaran on Thu Sep 24 7:22:22 2009.

MY
From: Plum on Thu Sep 24 8:17:51 2009.

sutham, indha review-vai padichavan padam pOi paarkaradhu waste

idhula periya LLD maadhiri tone maintain pandrAnga paarunga - anga dhaan nikkarAn vigadan and kumudam - how long before they become anachronisms in tamil society?
(dont tell me "too long: )
From: joe on Thu Sep 24 8:40:18 2009.

Even the worst blog reviews are better than Vikatan review .
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 24 9:00:43 2009.

"உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவன்" பாடல்களைக் கேட்டுவிட்டு, ஸ்ருதிஹாசனை நேரிலேயே அழைத்து வாழ்த்தினாராம் இசைஞானி . "அப்பா பேரைக் காப்பாத்திட்டே!" என்ற இளையராஜாவின் புகழ்ச்சியில் மயங்கிக்கிடக்குது பொண்ணு. நல்ல விஷயம் !

நன்றி: இன்பாக்ஸ், ஆனந்த விகடன், 30.09.2009

From: P_R on Thu Sep 24 10:16:11 2009.

விகடர் wrote:

காட்சிக்குக் காட்சி இங்கிலீஷில் இப்படி சொடுக்கியிருக்க வேண்டுமா?

ஜெட்
ஹீரோ
ஜூனியர்
ஹெட்போன்
மைக்கில்
'காமன் மேன்'
டப்பிங்
க்ளைமாக்ஸில்

மேலே உள்ளவற்றையெல்லாமாவது மன்னிக்கலாம்.

இதை....

டெக்னிகல் X 3
போலீஸ் கமிஷனர்
மார்க்கெட்டில்
ரியல் ஹீரோ
ஃபிரேம்
பெர்ஃபெக்ட் ஃபிட்
எக்ஸ்பிரஸ் எக்ஸ்பிரஷன்களை
கேரக்டருக்கு
கிரிஸ்டல் கிளியர்
ஸ்கோர் செய்திருக்கிறார்

எதற்காக இப்படி எழுதவேண்டும் ? யார் இப்படிப் பேசுகிறார்கள் என்று ஒரு வெகுஜன இதழில் இந்த மொழி இடம்பெறுகிறது ? நடைமுறை பேச்சில் ஆங்கிலக்கலப்பை விட மிகையான, செயற்கையான கலப்பு இந்த விமர்சனத்தின்ன் மொழி. இப்படி எழுதுகிறோம் என்கிற பிரக்ஞை கூட இல்லாததால் தான் ஆங்கில வசனக்கலப்பைப் பற்றி எழுத முடிகிறது.

சரளமா, மொழிக்கலப்பில்லாம தமிழ்பேச கஷ்டப்படுற எனக்கே கோவம் வருதுன்னா..அப்புறம் மா.நன்னனுக்கு ஏன் வராது.

From: littlemaster1982 on Thu Sep 24 10:19:41 2009.

Not just reviews. Whole Ananda Vikatan has junk written like this all over
From: app_engine on Thu Sep 24 10:35:49 2009.

P_R wrote:

விகடர்

ஹிப்போக்ரஸி சார், விகடர் வெறும் ஹிப்போக்ரைட்டு
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 24 12:33:37 2009.

P_R romba karunaiyooda short list panninaar. here goes the full list

போலீஸ் கமிஷனர்
டெக்னிக்கலாக
ஜெட் வேகத் திரைக்கதை
ரியல் ஹீரோ.
ஃபிரேமுக்கு ஃபிரேம்
சமமான ஸ்கோப்
பெர்ஃபெக்ட் ஃபிட்
ஜூனியர் அதிகாரிகளிடம்
வெல்டன்
க்ளோஸ்-அப்
ஹெட்போன் மைக்கில்
எக்ஸ்பிரஸ் எக்ஸ்பிரஷன்களைக்
சீனியருக்கு சின்சியர் ஜூனியர்
கேரக்டருக்கு
நியூஸ் ரிப்போர்ட்டராக
காமன் மேன்
டெக்னிக்கல் சங்கதிகளை
டெக்னிக்கல்
இங்கிலீஷில்
ரீ-மேக்
டப்பிங்
காமென்ட்கள்
கேமராமேன்
கிரிஸ்டல் கிளியர்
ஸ்கோர்
ஒரிஜினலில்
க்ளைமாக்ஸில்
From: Roshan on Thu Sep 24 12:41:14 2009.

This is really hilarious

Vikadar
From: Thirumaran on Thu Sep 24 12:46:32 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

Not just reviews. Whole Ananda Vikatan has junk written like this all over

Kumudam kooda saerthukalaam among the most populars for a longer period Manjal paththirikkai nnu velipadaya paesarathilla intha paththirikkaigalai paththi.. avvalavuthaan

From: marma_yogi on Thu Sep 24 13:45:41 2009.

P_R romba karunaiyooda short list panninaar. here goes the full list

போலீஸ் கமிஷனர்
டெக்னிக்கலாக
ஜெட் வேகத் திரைக்கதை
ரியல் ஹீரோ.
ஃபிரேமுக்கு ஃபிரேம்
சமமான ஸ்கோப்
பெர்ஃபெக்ட் ஃபிட்
ஜூனியர் அதிகாரிகளிடம்
வெல்டன்
க்ளோஸ்-அப்
ஹெட்போன் மைக்கில்
எக்ஸ்பிரஸ் எக்ஸ்பிரஷன்களைக்
சீனியருக்கு சின்சியர் ஜூனியர்
கேரக்டருக்கு
நியூஸ் ரிப்போர்ட்டராக
காமன் மேன்
டெக்னிக்கல் சங்கதிகளை
டெக்னிக்கல்
இங்கிலீஷில்
ரீ-மேக்
டப்பிங்
காமென்ட்கள்
கேமராமேன்
கிரிஸ்டல் கிளியர்
ஸ்கோர்
ஒரிஜினலில்
க்ளைமாக்ஸில்

SV and PR, with your permission I have posted this list in the Vikatan comments sections. Hope you don't mind.

From: dell_gt on Thu Sep 24 21:37:58 2009.

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As observed by Cinema Online, the cinema crowd during the Raya festivities consisted of the normal weekend crowd at GSC Mid Valley Megamall with showtimes slowly selling out for "G-Force", "Where Got Ghost?", "Unnaipol Oruvan" and "Tsunami At Haeundae". As the result, "G-Force" ruled the box office, kicking off last week's chart topper "Where Got Ghost?" into second. Meanwhile, the 2008 Bollywood film remake of "A Wednesday!", "Unnaipol Uruvan" is one of the biggest Tamil films released recently with a majority of its showtimes sold out at TGV Pyramid and TGV CapSquare, reminiscence of the 2008 Punjabi flick's success, "Singh Is Kinng".

Malaysia
1. G-Force
2. Where Got Ghost?
3. Unnaipol Oruvan
4. Tsunami At Haeundae
5. The Final Destination 4
6. Gamer
7. The Ugly Truth
8. Momok The Movie
9. Jin Notti
10. A Perfect Getaway

From: P_R on Thu Sep 24 22:34:23 2009.

marma_yogi wrote:

SV and PR, with your permission I have posted this list in the Vikatan comments sections. Hope you don't mind.

sheer !
Ling irukA ?
From: joe on Thu Sep 24 22:50:31 2009.

P_R wrote:

marma_yogi wrote:

SV and PR, with your permission I have posted this list in the Vikatan comments sections. Hope you don't mind.

sheer !
Ling irukA ?

unga kitta Vikatan account irukka ?
From: Cinefan on Fri Sep 25 0:57:49 2009.

http://www.hindu.com/cp/2009/09/25/stories/2009092550040200.htm

Unnaippol Oruvan
Genre: Drama

Director: Chakri Toleti

Cast: Kamal Haasan, Mohanlal, Lakshmi

Storyline: A sedate common man plants explosives in various parts of the city holding it to ransom.

Bottomline: Kamal, the Commendable!

No remake can avoid a comparison with the original and the dictum holds good for Kamal Haasan’s version of A Wednesday. Well-crafted, at times it makes you forget the original. The director is Chakri Toleti, yet it is Kamal&# 8217;s hand that pervades the screen.

With Unnaippol Oruvan (U/A), a story that happens in a day, Kamal should be on a hat-trick after Vaettaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu and Dasavathaaram. Told in flashback mode, the climax and the sequence that precedes it leave you awestruck (that is, if you haven’t watched the original)!

Life and career turn topsy-turvy in a matter of hours for IG of Police Raghavan Maraar (Mohanlal), thanks to an anonymous call that informs him of bombs planted at vital spots in the city. They would explode by evening if the four terrorists who have been imprisoned aren’t released immediately.

The caller (Kamal Haasan) takes on the law-keepers single-handed. After his ultimatum they swing into action.

Probably for the first time in his Tamil film career Kamal doesn’t have a heroine. The novelty doesn’t end there — the linear narrative is wrapped up in less than two hours! Knowing the taste of the Tamil audience, the actor hasn’t stuck to the completely underplayed performance of Naseeruddin Shah. Kamal’s is original and it is appealing. Very cleverly, the dialogue (Era Murugan) establishes the essential connect between the North and the South of the country. The witticisms in the exchanges among the various characters are typically Kamal. Giving the name Karamchand to a terrorist is another astute move. The use of a voice resembling the CM’s lends authenticity, and the conversation with the wife over telephone make Kamal’s common man role credible. The scene where the chief secretary (Lakshmi) leaves the premises of the Chief Minister in a hurry has been shot right at the gate of the CM’s Gopalapuram residence. A commendable choice of location that makes it all so real!

Mohanlal’s prowess gives the sheen his role warrants — he goes all out for the kill. Lakshmi looks imposing but the actor goes slightly overboard in her obsequiousness in her first telephonic conversation with the CM. Anuja is Tamil’s answer to Deepal Shaw, the TV reporter of A Wednesday. As it is a one-day event, almost everyone has been made to sport just one costume throughout the film.

Ganesh Venkatraman who looked a little wooden in Abhiyum Naanum returns as the hot-headed policeman, Arif Khan, in Unnai … and makes quite an impression. His well-toned physique is an aiding factor. Calm, composed and commanding, Bharath Reddy who plays the other efficient cop Sethuraman, puts up an admirable show. Santhanabharathy, a Kamal camp constant, is Karamchand, an arms supplier to terrorists. His fear and anxiety that sprinkle humour on a serious sequence remind you of the character he played in the rib-tickler, Michael Madhana Kama Rajan.

Composer Shruti Haasan lives up to the hype and hoopla that surrounded her music for Unnai … Her use of percussion in the re-recording enhances the impact and so does the hum-worthy ‘Allah Jaane’ number soulfully sung by Kamal. The varying range and subtle brigas are noteworthy. The alluring base voices of the ‘Nilai Varuma …’ piece touch the right chord.

Manoj Soni’s unobtrusive camera that is in sync with the narration deserves to be complimented. And so does the slick editing of Rameshwar Bhagat.

The thought cropped up even when you watched A Wednesday — What was the logic behind the protagonist’s surreptitious act of going around with different black bags and planting them around the city? Was it to buy time or make matters dramatic?

Neeraj Pandey’s screenplay was undoubtedly etched well. All the same the intelligence of Unnaippol Oruvan reminds you of Sujatha’s ‘Nirvana Nagaram’ — a novella in the Ganesh-Vasanth detective franchise, where an ordinary man exposes the vulnerability of the city and the system. Also, if the title, Unnaippol Oruvan, is the same as Jayakanthan’s film (based on his novel) which won the President’s Award some decades ago, it is probably because the two inimitable litterateurs have been a great influence on Kamal Haasan — himself a writer with acumen.

MALATHI RANGARAJAN
From: Cinefan on Fri Sep 25 1:08:05 2009.

Ayudha Puja Specials

(Vijay TV, Friday to Monday, 7 a.m. onwards)

Vijay TV offers a four-day treat for Ayudha Puja.

On Sunday at 7 a.m. is ‘Bhakti Special’, a discourse on the significance of Ayudha Pooja and Vijayadasami. At 9 a.m. watch ‘Sirappu Pattimandram’ with Prof. Abdul Kaadar as the judge.

Following this at 10 a.m. is ‘Amman TRY Andha Kaalam Indha Kaalam Special.’ Host Leoni takes you on a satirical journey of songs and the topic is ‘Kalviya? Selvama? Veerama?’

Being featured on Tamil TV is the film ‘Kunguma Poovum Konjum Puraavum’ at 11 a.m., which has music by Yuvan Shankar Raja and newcomers Ramakrishnan, Tananya and Vishal in the lead roles. At 2.30 p.m., watch ‘Ungalil Oruvan Ulaganayagan’, an interaction with Kamal Haasan. He will answer viewers’ questions on his latest film ‘Unnaipol Oruvan.’
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Sep 25 2:09:27 2009.

captured terrorists generally are national properties! set praaperties so releasing or killing a captured terrorist generaqlly would need permission from PM and even Army, Navy ect wud hae a say. But both in original and here, that andle is not shown.

in original, atleast the mumbai CM will be along with comissioner n war room, thoghout. but here just a phone call from CM passes the authority to a police comissioner of a State!! Also, one terrorist is out of state!

i know ithellaam paakka kudaathu, but thonichu, sonnen
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Sep 25 2:16:28 2009.

Special TV Programmes in Tamil tv channels.

Special programmes

(Jaya TV, Sunday

September 27:

At 12 noon, ‘Pudhu Puyal Shruti Haasan’ throws the spotlight on the daughter of Kamal Haasan who discusses her role as music director for ‘Unnaipol Oruvan’ and much more.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Sep 25 2:22:40 2009.

http://www.eramurukan.in/tamil/magazines.php

கோவிந்த் நிஹலானி அவர்களின் அடுத்த படத்துக்கான வேலைகளில் மும்முரமாக இருக்கிறேன். கமல் அவர்களைத் தொடர்ந்து இன்னொரு திரையுலக மேதையோடு பணியாற்ற சந்தர்ப்பம் கிட்டியது மகிழ்ச்சியான விஷய்ம.

நான் ஐந்து வருடம் தில்லியிலும், இரண்டாண்டு மும்பையிலும் குப்பை கொட்டி இந்தியை மாநில வேறுபாடுகளோடு இயல்பாகப் பேச, எழுதத் தெரிந்தாலும், தமிழ் அல்லது மலையாளம் போல் சுபாவமாக வர இந்திக்காரனாகப் பிறந்திருக்க வேண்டும். நமக்கு ஆங்கிலமே மதி.

கோவிந்த் கமல் மாதிரி இன்னொரு டாஸ்க் மாஸ்டர். க்தை / காட்சி சரியாக வரும்வரை விடமாட்டார். சதா மூளைக்கு வேலை கொடுக்கும் இப்படியான நண்பர்களோடு சேர்ந்து பணியாற்ற சுவாரசியமாக இருக்கிறது.

கதை? ரொம்பவே சவால் ஆன விஷயம். எழுதிப் பார்க்கலாம்.

நண்பர் 'நேசமுடன்' வெங்கடேஷ் மடல் : -

நீங்கள் வசனம் எழுதிய முதல் திரைப்படமான உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன், வெற்றி பெற வாழ்த்துக்கள். இந்த நேரத்தில், உங்களுடைய ஒரு மினி பேட்டியை என் நேசமுடன் இதழில் சேர்க்க ஆவல். கேள்விகள் இவை:

1. நீங்கள் எழுதிய வசனங்கள் கண்ணெதிரே உயிரோட்டத்துடன் விரியத் தொடங்கியபோது, உங்கள் மனநிலை எப்படி இருந்தது?
2. நீங்கள் வசனம் எழுதியபோது, இது கமல் பேசும் வசனங்கள் என்பதற்காக சிறப்புக் கவனம் ஏதேனும் எடுத்துக்கொண்டீர்களா?
3. வசனம் எழுதியபோது, The Stupid Common Manஐ உள்ளூர நீங்கள் உணர்ந்தீர்களா?
4. உங்களுடைய இத்தனை ஆண்டுகால நவீன இலக்கிய பரிச்சயம், பயிற்சி ஆகியவை வசனம் எழுத எப்படிப் பயன்பட்டன?
5. உங்கள் எழுத்தில் உள்ள தனித்தன்மையை, வசனங்களில் கொண்டுவர முடிந்ததா?

என் பதில் (நிறைய நேரம் எடுத்து யோசித்த பிறகு)

இப்போது வேண்டாமே வெங்கடேஷ். படம் பெருவெற்றி பெற்றிருக்கிறது. இணைய நண்பர்கள் பலரும், திரு இ.பா, ஜெயமோகன், பா.ரா, பெண்ணேஸ்வரன் என (விடுபட்டவர்கள் மன்னிக்கவும்) சக எழுத்தாளர்களும், சுதீஷ் காமத் போன்ற விமர்சர்கர்களும், பெருவாரியான ரசிகர்களும் படத்தின் மற்ற பல நல்ல அம்சங்களோடு கூட உரையாடலையும் ரசித்திருக்கிறார்கள். மற்றவர்களும் படம் பார்க்கட்டும்.

தவிர, அங்கங்கே சில இடங்களில் ஜெலூசில் வியாபாரம் திடீரென்று அதிகமானதாகத் தெரிகிறது. அந்த மருந்துக் கடைகளுக்கும் வருமானம் வரட்டும்.

சாவகாசமாக வெங்கடேஷ் கேள்விகளுக்குப் பதில் தருகிறேன்.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Sep 25 2:26:27 2009.

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/09/25/stories/2009092550850400.htm

The Tamil version of A Wednesday seems to be drawing the crowds. It’s not a surprise with two fine actors — Kamal Hassan and Mohan Lal

“A Wednesday” was a tautly made film though I did not agree with the basic premise of a common man taking the law into his hands. It’s the ultimate middle class fantasy to maim molesters, kill the corrupt and annihilate terrorists. It’s meaningless to think that the solution is to kill four terrorists, incarcerated at that. To kill a few terrorists is as good breeding a fresh crop. The Hindi version was not a huge hit but the Tamil one starring Kamal Hassan and Mohanlal — “Unnai Pol Oruvan” is doing phenomenal business. What works is the fact that Kamal has not changed anything drastically. I thought a lesser known actor like Nasser would have suited the protagonist’s role better but if the crowds are thronging, it’s because of Kamal and Lal. Was Naseer better in the original? This role is a cakewalk for Kamal though he could have cut down on the use of English with the fake accent. Mohanlal definitely walks away with the acting honours. People who accuse Kamal of being narcissistic should watch the film just to appreciate the way Lal’s role has been lengthened and the fact that he gets the better lines. It’s a chance to watch two of our most consummate performers, not sparring but complementing each other.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Sep 25 12:13:59 2009.

UPO-Second week show timings in US

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14909797

&

UPO SPL Effects Pics

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/2009/09/25/13301/index.html

Geon Studios executes vfx for Kamal Haasan bilingual Click here to add this article to My Clips

By Money Sharma & Mrigank Dhaniwala, September 25, 2009 - 15:16 IST

Mumbai based visual effects and animation house Geon Studios recently executed around vfx 400 plus shots for the Tamil-Telugu bilingual film Unnaipol Oruvan. The film is a remake of the Bollywood film A Wednesday and stars Kamal Haasan and Mohanlal in the Tamil version and Venkatesh in Telugu version titled Eenadu. Interestingly, Shruti Haasan has composed the film's music.

The movie is about a day's story, starts in the morning and concludes in the evening with paced mood and dramatic sequences.

Speaking to Bollywood Hungama, N Madhu Sudhanan, VFX Supervisor of the movies shared, "The story was to start in the morning and end in the evening, wherein the challenge for Geon was the lighting and tracking as the movie was shot in different times, different days and in different backdrops. Also, a story like this, visual effects should always be invisible and enhance the story telling!"

Visual Effects Producer for both the films, Asmita Bharrati informed, "The deadlines were so tight for both the films posing many challenges in the post. The vfx team executed a wide variety of replacement and design shots - right from logos, nameplates, name boards, TV monitors, screen, rooftop gadgets, concrete floors to street lights, windows, digital matte painting and 3D set extensions. Especially, the camera was traveling throughout the film in every frame. It was highly challenging to track and composite many live action plates. Since GEON was the lead studio for the project the job never stopped by turning around the shots to the client but also guiding our vendors in Chennai and Mumbai were quite engaging!"

Geon was lead studio for both the films, and executed the vfx in 6 weeks flat. In order to cope up with the tight schedule, Geon awarded few shots from both the films to Jupiter, Chennai and few shots from the Telugu film to EFX, Mumbai.

Here's a shot breakdown of a few key scenes, courtesy Geon Studios.
From: Rocky89 on Fri Sep 25 12:44:26 2009.

Innum padam paarkala

Going for tomorrow with my dad ..

From: dell_gt on Sat Sep 26 0:51:34 2009.

Quote:

Cinema: GSC MID VALLEY, KUALA LUMPUR (Phone Reservation : 03-83123456)
Date: Sat 26 Sep 2009
Available: Sat 26 Sep | Sun 27 Sep | Mon 28 Sep | Tue 29 Sep | Wed 30 Sep
UNNAIPOL ORUVAN (18PL) TAMIL
11:30 AM 11:30 AM 02:00 PM 02:00 PM 04:30 PM 04:30 PM
07:00 PM 07:00 PM 09:30 PM 09:30 PM 12:00 AM 12:00 AM

2nd week 12 shows.. AMAZING...

From: Mahen on Sat Sep 26 2:56:07 2009.

dell_gt wrote:

Quote:

2nd week 12 shows.. AMAZING...

For some strange reasons, tickets are easily available..I have already watched it twice and on both occasion, the halls were only half filled..I have never experienced this before..Dasa,ayan ellam full house thaan..Many of my friends are unaware of the release of UPO..When i asked them, they said 'UPO va, whos acting'?

From: dell_gt on Sat Sep 26 2:57:37 2009.

Quote:

http://www.tubetamil.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3300869b19d91690e8ac&page=1&viewtype=&category=

From: dell_gt on Sat Sep 26 3:03:28 2009.

Quote:

dell_gt wrote:
Quote:
Cinema: GSC MID VALLEY, KUALA LUMPUR (Phone Reservation : 03-83123456)
Date: Sat 26 Sep 2009
Available: Sat 26 Sep | Sun 27 Sep | Mon 28 Sep | Tue 29 Sep | Wed 30 Sep
UNNAIPOL ORUVAN (18PL) TAMIL
11:30 AM 11:30 AM 02:00 PM 02:00 PM 04:30 PM 04:30 PM
07:00 PM 07:00 PM 09:30 PM 09:30 PM 12:00 AM 12:00 AM

2nd week 12 shows.. AMAZING...

For some strange reasons, tickets are easily available..I have already watched it twice and on both occasion, the halls were only half filled..I have never experienced this before..Dasa,ayan ellam full house thaan..Many of my friends are unaware of the release of UPO..When i asked them, they said 'UPO va, whos acting'?

when i saw 1st time...the hall 80% full... but 2nd 3rd time 100% full...but agree some unaware the release

From: dell_gt on Sat Sep 26 3:04:41 2009.

Quote:

Quote:
http://www.tubetamil.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3300869b19d91690e8ac&page=1&viewtype=&category=

tirai parvai... nice one
From: Cinemarasigan on Sat Sep 26 5:45:49 2009.

Excellent film!! Amazing work from KH!! Mohanlal's acting is superb!! Ganesh's performance is an unexpected package..
From the beginning till end, movie is going on supersonic speed.. A well executed film..
A pleasant surprise that a movie with 2 big stars can be taken like this..
Even though a remake, thanks a lot to Kamal for making this film..
From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Sep 26 11:39:29 2009.

Jaganmohini postponed to November!
By Moviebuzz | Saturday, 26 September , 2009, 18:41

Namitha’s eagerly awaited Jaganmohini directed by NK Viswanathan and produced by H.Murali which was to release on September 25, has now been postponed to November 6 or 13.

The release date had to be changed as too many films were released on Sep 25, and Kamal Hassan’s Unnaipol Oruvan had become a hit, thereby blocking a large number of theatres. And now with Diwali around the corner (October 17), it does not make sense to release Jaganmohini in October.

A remake of yesteryear Jaganmohini starring Jayamalini, the modern version with Namitha will have state of art special effects and graphics. The music of Ilayaraja is another highlight of the film. The makers of the film does not want it to clash with the Diwali biggies and preferred a solo release in November.
From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Sep 26 11:40:42 2009.

This weekend and tomorrow all the tickets are full in Sathyam.

There is no Ads and Posters in Chennai for UPO
From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Sep 26 11:41:25 2009.

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=1491
"Finally four Tamil films- Thiru Thiru Thuru Thuru, Arumugam, Suryan Satta Kallori, Kannukulle have made it to the Chennai theatres today (Sep 25). Among the lot T4 has a buzz around it. The big Hindi film of the week is Ashutosh Gowarikar’s What’s Your Raashee? , where Priyanka Chopra appears in 12 roles opposite Harman Baweja.

Meanwhile last week’s release like Unnaipol Oruvan is going from strength to strength and will do better during the Pooja holidays weekend. "
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=1491
From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Sep 26 11:42:15 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpKE5HOhGc
From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Sep 26 11:47:02 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpKE5HOhGc
From: dell_gt on Sat Sep 26 20:34:18 2009.

Quote:

This weekend and tomorrow all the tickets are full in Sathyam.

There is no Ads and Posters in Chennai for UPO

great

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sat Sep 26 20:34:18 2009.

Arun@Orkut wrote:

MET AANDAVAR
Happiest day of my life Smile

. My love and respect for him has grown infinite times more after meeting him. The long wait at Prasad Studios was worth it. Kamal Sir was sporting a yellow tee and a white pant.
He was very very down to earth and polite. Always sporting a smile, he obliged us autograph hunters with a lot of patience. There was a frenetic rush to get ourselves photographed with him. He was really kind enough to accomodate all of us. Aandavar promised to be at the sets for an hour but he stayed there for more than two hours and patiently answered all our questions.
As usual, he was brilliant with his words, with many witty and profound statements. He He himself came and made us feel comfortable by shaking hands with us. ORU ILAVASA INAIPU: HE GAVE US ALL 'KATTIPUDI VAIDHYAM' ON OUR REQUEST

Truly, an amazing man!!!! He was so simple despite several accomplishments. One girl wanted to cry on his shoulders and he immediately obliged. YOU CAN WATCH THE PROGRAM TOMORROW AT 2.30 ON STAR VIJAY. 'UNNAI POL ORUVAN ULAGA NAYAGAN'.

Got an autograph, photograph, handshake and a hug with him besides asking a few questions. Things can't get better Smile

P.S He also self drives his car just as the way he drives us all.

Love

Arun

Picture

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sat Sep 26 20:37:12 2009.

You Unselected@Orkut wrote:

He started with UPO... scene comments
Then he came to real life view on terrorism and ahimsa
Then he shared his experience over the years in cinema...

I don know how to explain was AWE in the set

Rajeev Ram@Orkut wrote:

I too was one of the lucky ones to be on the receiving end of a Kamal sir hug and Handshake...Wat a legend.. Brilliantly spoken by him and extremely witty on several occasions..

The only mood spoiler was that irritating Gopinath who din allow several of us to voice our opinions(yes i understand that there were over 25 of us) and stubbornly kept asking us to restrict our questions to 5 syllables..Nonsense fellow..
Is he that narrow minded to realise that meeting a legend is a once in a life time opportunity??

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sat Sep 26 20:48:48 2009.

http://www.tubetamil.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3300869b19d91690e8ac

Not sure if this has been posted before. UPO sirappu paarvai. Includes Rajini's reaction on seeing the film....

Abdul Hameed's comments are interesting!
From: dell_gt on Sat Sep 26 21:04:06 2009.

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpKE5HOhGc

superhit
From: Bala (Karthik) on Sat Sep 26 21:27:52 2009.

September 27th Paper Ad
From: MADDY on Sun Sep 27 9:17:29 2009.

watched it in rohini today - very neat.......Wednesday is a pesonal favorite of mine and i was scared that UPO would be too melodramatic and dramatic - but kamal proved me wrong........it was literally a walk in the park for 2 greats and they walked well ...........

though reason for kamal's actions and one of terrorists' story were far fetched, it went down well with audience.....thankfully movie was not loud at all - pretty subtle.....lakshmi-mohanlal sequences were not upto the mark - maybe i was hyped a little bit into it.....

good yaar, i enjoyed it........i would call it the best movie of the year so far

From: Roshan on Sun Sep 27 9:28:51 2009.

watched it in rohini today - very neat.......Wednesday is a pesonal favorite of mine and i was scared that UPO would be too melodramatic and dramatic - but kamal proved me wrong........it was literally a walk in the park for 2 greats and they walked well Laughing

...........

though reason for kamal's actions and one of terrorists' story were far fetched, it went down well with audience.....thankfully movie was not loud at all - pretty subtle.....lakshmi-mohanlal sequences were not upto the mark - maybe i was hyped a little bit into it.....

good yaar, i enjoyed it........i would call it the best movie of the year so far Very Happy

ellArum santhOshamA irunga

There was a special program on Kalainjar this evening - Kamal with 4 directors - Cheran, Ameer, Miskin and Lingusaamy. I think I missed the first 10 mins. Program was really good. All 4 directors spoke well and they sounded very honest and genuine without unnecessary Jalras. Special mention Cheran, as he complemented a lot in triggering some good thoughts and ideas of Kamal. A very interesting interview (i would rather call it a discussion) and it was a pleasure to see Kamal in a very casual mood.

EllA channelleyum Kamal program pOguthu and orE kuzhappam regarding the timings.

From: Srimannarayanan on Sun Sep 27 10:33:16 2009.

USP of Unnaipol Oruvan

By Behindwoods Visitor Joseph David

The views expressed in this column is that of the visitor. Behindwoods.com doesn't hold responsible for its content.

When it comes to experimentation and creating new benchmarks in Tamil cinema, trust no one but Kamal! Unnaipol Oruvan is a classic example of such newness that we have longed for.

Some of my friends told me after watching UPO that the movie was not up to their expectations. Perhaps they expected some family sentiments, a long flashback to justify the actions of Kamal (actually his character has no name), some punch dialogues and a glamorous heroine. I wonder if they realized that all those elements would not find place in a thriller where the city is in danger of being exploded.

Here are some highlights that make UPO unique:

1. It's probably the first Tamil film to beat the two-hour duration. The movie runs for one hour fifty minutes.

2. There are no songs except for a background soundtrack.

3. There are no heroines.

4. Two great stars have shared the screen without ever meeting until the last two minutes.

5. Both the director and music director are debutants. Kamal's confidence is amazing. Two debutants were given the chance to work with two legends

6. Most characters do not have their attire changed as it all happens in a day. Only Mohanlal changes after realizing that he has lost his job.

7. The dialogues are unlike any other Tamil movie and absolutely real.

What Tamil cinema needs is to break from its duration factor. I had to sit through three hours and fifteen minutes to watch Kanthaswamy. UPO proves that you can tell a gripping story in less than two hours.

Hats off to Kamal for this daring attempt! I am sure the 'pundits' of Tamil cinema would have a thousand reasons why UPO is not up to their benchmarks. It takes people like Kamal to prove them wrong.

Way to go, Kamal! You have raised the bar on what we can expect from you in future. With you, there is still hope for excellent movies from Tamil cinema.

http://www.behindwoods.com/features/visitors-1/unnaipol-oruvan-23-09-09.html

From: Srimannarayanan on Sun Sep 27 10:34:11 2009.

From: MADDY on Sun Sep 27 10:37:00 2009.

Was theatre full?

From: Srimannarayanan on Sun Sep 27 10:35:17 2009.

I tried to see the movie again today. But there were no tickets till tomorrow in INOX,Padmam and Abirami

well not really .....it was about 40% only

Was theatre full?

From: Srimannarayanan on Sun Sep 27 10:40:21 2009.

From: njv on Tue Sep 29 13:46:01 2009.

Was theatre full?

well not really .....it was about 40% only Smile

Thanks

From: joe on Sun Sep 27 14:07:55 2009.

what a programme!
http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/interview-with-kamal/
From: RC on Sun Sep 27 14:27:03 2009.

Another one...
http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/kamal-13/
From: Nerd on Sun Sep 27 19:08:16 2009.

RC wrote:

Another one...
http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/kamal-13/

sappaa Gobi imsai thaanga mudila.. idha pAtha appuRamum Gobi-kku yaaraavadhu support pannunga..
From: RC on Sun Sep 27 19:48:31 2009.

Nerd wrote:

RC wrote:

Another one...
http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/kamal-13/

sappaa Gobi imsai thaanga mudila.. idha pAtha appuRamum Gobi-kku yaaraavadhu support pannunga..

uNarchchivasappadaathInga, Nerd
Kamal's reaction when the man who lived the Mumbai attacks was genuine. I was moved!
From: Cinefan on Sun Sep 27 22:46:52 2009.

kalaignar retelecast the interactive session of KH with Cheran,Linguswamy,Myskkin and Ameer at 10.30pm,a good one with KH after a long time.

Maybe because the interviewers are also directors,there was more insight into UPO and film making as such.Also nobody asked a cliched question.

The answers were also sharp and intelligent,no digressions.

He confirmed that Myskkin is doing a project with him,is it the next is the question.

To think that I missed this(was not aware)in favour of the one on vijay TV in the afternoon.

Gopi did most of the talking there,too much platitudes and KH did not have an opportunity to talk in detail about anything.
From: Roshan on Sun Sep 27 23:14:14 2009.

Didn't know about the retelecast on Kalainjar. Would loved to have watched it again. It was very good.

Gopinath does talk a lot these days. He is a good host for sure but avar pEsuRatha kuRaichi mathavangaL pEsa viduRatha koncham kathukanum.
From: irir123 on Tue Sep 29 1:21:35 2009.

Watched UO couple of hrs ago.

clean, neat, crisp film - have not seen "A Wednesday" - technically very sophisticated, state-of-the-art editing and camera work, decent music (Shruti needs to learn to use orchestras as well,though she seems to be adept at the keyboard).

Strengths: casting - Mohan Lal outstanding, be it the lift of his eyebrows or conveying subtle expressions through his eyes, or the modulations in his voice, am not sure if Venkatesh in Telugu wud have matched such nonchalant brilliance effortlessly displayed by Mohan Lal - his screen presence is amazing and for once, I almost thought he outdid Kamal!

for his part, Kamal must have been ill at ease to shed his big star image after the stupendous success of DASA, but also underplay his histrionics to the level of a common man, and yet not look very casual as in 'Vettaiyadu' (in fact after watching Mohan Lal in UO, I wondered how a Malayalam remake of Vettaiyadu wud come out with Mohan Lal playing Kamals role!?! perhaps, Kamal shd direct such a film!) - the telephonic encounter between Kamal and Mohan Lal reminded a bit of Al Pacino - de Nero standoffs seen in several films.

Lakshmi, or the two guys playing the cops, the reporter all of them did their jobs well within what was required for the script.

Weaknesses: the reference to Gujarat riots and the Bakery case, sounded pretty lame to me, almost as if the script wanted to show the angle from the terrorosts side - it failed to evoke any empathy on my part, since it sounded completely out-of-place and forced - also the convenient use of a Hindu name to make the script look communally 'well-balanced' is way too politically correct for a Kamal film.

Barring these glitches, overall, its a well-made quickie - definitely, not in the league of a 'kurudhippunal', but it holds its own thanks to the quick pacing and the matchless performances of the lead actors.
From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Sep 29 3:07:56 2009.

Watched the Jaya TV Program regarding UPO, it was nice too. Mohanlal told that he wanted to a movie with Kamal for a long time and happy to do this one..

He told that KH was not present much during his shooting for this film. KH was there with him was during the Dubbing and helped him a lot for the same.
Even Ganesh & Anuja were interviewed and happily shared their experience in UPO.
KH just thanked viewers for making the film a mega success in the end.
From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Sep 29 3:13:48 2009.

joe wrote:

what a programme!
http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/interview-with-kamal/

There was no announcement regarding this program till the previous day.. The scrolling message regarding this program started only on the same day..

Very nice discussion it was. Cheran is the one who was looking very enthu and made the discussion very interesting.

Kamal was very casual and happy too..
From: joe on Tue Sep 29 3:18:09 2009.

Cinemarasigan wrote:

Watched the Jaya TV Program regarding UPO, it was nice too.

Link irukka?
From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Sep 29 3:25:15 2009.

joe wrote:

Cinemarasigan wrote:

Watched the Jaya TV Program regarding UPO, it was nice too.

Link irukka?

illai... even I am searching for the same.. not watched that from the beginning...
From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Sep 29 3:38:27 2009.

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-slide-shows/movie-4/top-ten-movies/tamil-cinema-topten-movie-unnaipol-oruvan.html

Cast: Kamal Haasan, Mohanlal, Anuja Iyer, Nasser, Lakshmi.
Direction: Chakri Toleti
Music: Shruti Haasan
Production: Rajkamal International, UTV Motion Pictures

Kamal’s high voltage drama of a common man challenging the system to bring quick and conscientious justice to a few terrorists has captivated the fans. Kamal and Mohanlal’s riveting performance keeps the movie on the fast lane.

Trade Talk:
Very good collections reported from all the centers the movie has opened in. Weekends see a sure in revenues.

Public Talk:
Shruti’s music complements the movie’s pace.

No. Weeks Completed: 1
No. Shows in Chennai over this weekend: 202
Average Theatre Occupancy over this weekend: 85%
Collection over this weekend in Chennai: Rs. 48,65,669
Total collections in Chennai: Rs. 1.60 Crore

Verdict: Good Opening
From: 19thmay on Tue Sep 29 6:19:21 2009.

Finally watched the movie@mayajaal - 11:00 Am show.

I did not watch the original, did not read any reviews [including hub].

IMO very well made, I liked it. Kamalji & Lal, whoa!

Spoiler:

Climaxla, Lal-ku eppadi Kamal irukura edam therinjadhu? [ Did I miss anything?]
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 29 6:54:14 2009.

19thmay, he finds that himselfs when he looks at the ethical hacker's laptop
From: Amarshiva on Tue Sep 29 10:42:01 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

19thmay, he finds that himselfs when he looks at the ethical hacker's laptop

Yes he does find it.. the entire scene almost everyone would withdrew from their statement justifying the common man's deed.
From: Srimannarayanan on Tue Sep 29 12:43:13 2009.

http://movies.nytimes.com/indexes/2009/09/28/movies/boxoffice/weekend_uk/index.html

Unnaipol Oruvan - Gross: £66,881 (10 Days)

Approximately: Rs. 51 Lakhs
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 29 13:08:21 2009.

in wednesday they don't mention as ethical hacker, just hacker. but here they mention the word ethical. here's were the dialog writer Era. Mrukan & kamal stands tall. hacking is unethical. but ethical hacker hacks networks only fr security reasons and not to trouble and disturb other people's network or to expose their data
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 29 13:11:03 2009.

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2009/09/26-who-is-the-director-for-kamal-next-movie.html

பிரமாண்ட வசூலைக் கொடுத்த உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன்!
கலைஞானி கமல்ஹாசனின் அடுத்த படத்தை இயக்கப் போவது யார் என்பது பெரும் எதிர்பார்ப்புக்குள்ளாகியிருக்கிறது.

அடுத்தடுத்து அட்டகாசமான இரு வெற்றிகளைக் கொடுத்துள்ளார் கமல்ஹாசன். தசாவதார பிரமிப்பே இன்னும் மறையாத நிலையில் உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் மூலம் விஸ்வரூபம் எடுத்துள்ளார் கமல்.

இந்த ஆண்டின் பிரமாண்ட வசூலைக் கொடுத்த படம் என்ற பெயரை உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் பெற்றுள்ளதாக கூறப்படுகிறது.

இந்த நிலையில் கமல்ஹாசன் அடுத்த கட்ட வேலைகளுக்குப் போய் விட்டார். அடுத்து தான் நடிக்கவுள்ள படம் குறித்த விவாதத்தில் அவர் தீவிரமாகியுள்ளார்.

அவரது அடுத்த படத்தை யார் இயக்கப் போவது என்பது பெரும் எதிர்பார்ப்புக்குள்ளாகியுள்ளது. மிஷ்கின்தான் அடுத்த கமல் படத்தை இயக்கப் போவதாக பரவலாக கூறப்படுகிறது. அதேசமயம், கே.எஸ்.ரவிக்குமாருடனும் கமல்ஹாசன் தீவிர ஆலோசனையில் ஈடுபட்டுள்ளாராம்.

எனவே இவர்களில் யார் கமலின் அடுத்த பட இயக்குநர் என்பது எதிர்பார்ப்புக்குள்ளாகியுள்ளது.

கமல்ஹாசனும் ரவிக்குமாரும் இணைந்து இதற்கு முன்பு கொடுத்த அத்தனை படங்களுமே சூப்பர் ஹிட் என்பது நினைவிருக்கலாம். கடைசியாக கொடுத்த பிரமாண்டப் படம் தசாவதாரம்.

அதேசமயம், சித்திரம் பேசுதடி, அஞ்சாதே ஆகிய இரு படங்கள் மூலம் கோலிவுட்டைப் புரட்டிப் போட்டவர் மிஷ்கின். அவர் நடித்துள்ள நந்தலாலா படமும் பெரும் எதிர்பார்ப்பை ஏற்படுத்தியுள்ளது. இந்தப் படத்தை கமல்ஹாசன் பார்த்து வெகுவாகப் பார்ட்டியுள்ளார்.

எனவே, இவர்களில் யார் இயக்குநரானாலும் அது நிச்சயம் ரசிகர்களுக்கு விருந்தளிக்கும் படமாகவே இருக்கும் என்பது உறுதி.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 29 13:12:26 2009.

Ulaganayagan’s ‘Unnaipol Oruvan’ is ruling
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/50270.html

‘Kanthaswamy’ created a lot of records when it got released world wide. Now we have bunch of competitors including Kamal’s ‘Unnaipol Oruvan’ on the stage. So, let’s take a look at the Box-office collection of this week.

While Ulaganayagan’s ‘Unnaipol Oruvan’ is ruling the box office in the first place, Vikram’s ‘Kanthaswamy’ is pushed to fourth position (Last week collection was 8.8 lakhs.)

The week-end collection of Shankar’s home production ‘Eeram’ has crossed 16.41 lakhs and stands next to ‘Unnaipol Oruvan’ with second place (Total collection in last one week 57 lakhs). Third place is taken by ‘Ninaithale Inikkum’ with its last week collection as 14.5 lakhs (Total collection in last two weeks is 1.31 crore).

‘Madurai Sambhavam’ takes the fifth place with its last weekend collection as 3.39 lakhs. The total collection of ‘Madurai Sambavam’ has earned 46 lakhs till now.

In just three days’ time, ‘Unnaipol Oruvan’ has earned 5.9 lakhs. Today we can add-on four more new entrants including Bharath’s ‘Aarumugam’.

We will have to wait and see the Box-office report of these new tickets next week till then it’s our Ulaganayagan who will rule the week.

[b]Kamal is now and then the real Vasool Raja… [\b]

Finally watched the movie@mayajaal - 11:00 Am show.

I did not watch the original, did not read any reviews [including hub].

IMO very well made, I liked it. Kamalji & Lal, whoa!

Spoiler:

Climaxla, Lal-ku eppadi Kamal irukura edam therinjadhu? [ Did I miss anything?]

Lal looks at the hackers laptop when he backtrack from identifying the location (after hearing kamal's speach, just like the SP did) - he got the location from there.

Watched both Wednesday and UPO, liked both equally. UPO is a notch above in dialogues and lal acting. Kamal try to under-act, but he couldnt. May be we watched too much of thalavars movie that we know his next move, as he himself mentioned in VijayTV.

Whole movie was flawless except 1 dialogue - to diffuse the bomb, kamal give instruction to connect red and blue wire and cut the green wire. while repeating this to the boms squad, he changes the order (cut the green, connect blue and red) - this is a big blow dude!!!

From: Movie Cop on Wed Sep 30 0:14:17 2009.

njv wrote:

It is expected that KH would add a bit of heroism/bravado to the common man role

Idhu avaroda thiramai prachanai alla... avaroda image prachanai and also to ensure certain level of reach within his fans... Due to his "larger than life" image/personality in Tamil cinema, however simple KH tries to be, it is impossible for an average fan to view him as a simpleton. Ideally, someone like Parthipan/Pragash Raj or even Cheran would have been ideal for the common man role. But Kamal message solluradhukum, avainga message solluradhukkum impact/reach ellathulayum vithyasam irukku illaya?

From: Plum on Wed Sep 30 1:05:49 2009.

Prakashraj and parthiban would have overacted in their own way so no percentages there. Cheran plays characters that cry when insulted by maamanaar - avaru poi ipdielaam react pandra common man rolekku?
From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 30 2:25:34 2009.

Plum wrote:

cheran plays characters that cry when insulted by maamanaar
Never appealed to me as an actor, this mister-I-take-myself-too-seriously-as-an-artist.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Sep 30 2:26:02 2009.

orkut pangaali's pangalippsss

me getting pullarips....no emoticons to put yaa Laughing

Quote:

Kamal instructs mohanlal

To diffuse the bomb, cut the green wire and connect red and blue.

bomb = terrorism
green = pakistan's national color (as seen by pak's sports uniform)
red = revolution
blue = india's national color (as seen by our sports uniform)

SO, THE MESSAGE IS, TO diffuse TERRORISM (bomb)

COMMON MAN in India (blue) SHOULD do revolution (red)
and disconnect pakistan (green)

From: Plum on Wed Sep 30 2:29:06 2009.

AhA!keLambittaingayA!

That's so not consistent with kamal's politics. Full marks for trying, though!
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Sep 30 2:46:31 2009.

that the red ALSO means China is forgotten
From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 30 2:47:25 2009.

Or Manchester United.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Sep 30 4:17:40 2009.

உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவன்.........ரீமேக்

கூகுள் சவுத் இந்தியா ஹெட் ஆராவிற்கு தொலைபேசி அழைப்பு வருகிறது

ஆரா..நான் சொல்றதை கவனமாக கேளுங்க..உங்க ஜாயிண்ட்ல இருக்கிற ஆறு பேர் பிளாக்கை நான் ஹேக் பண்ணியிருக்கேன்

வாட்..யார் நீ பிளாகரா?

பிளாகாட்...

அனானியா?மாடரேட்டரா?இல்லை டெரரிஸ்டா?

நான் ஒரு சாதாரண பின்னுட்டமிஸ்ட்

read the rest here ..

http://vilambarakkaaran.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_30.html

From: Shankar on Wed Sep 30 4:38:00 2009.

yadhaarththam is the key thing here and everyone played thier parts to perfection. only one role could have been better - sit down pls. Cool

Quote:

acting

- mohanlal was a turn-off for me. Nassar would have been perfect.
Kamal didnt have to exert himself too much and played the role very subtly - easy to have overplayed there.
Ganesh is a revelation - after Abhiyum's feminine sardar - he can go places with the right director. The intensity was overwhelming.
Even the computer nerd was perfect Thumbs Up!

Bit parts were also done well, including the Vijay wannabe. ROTFL

computer nerd was Anand (or kutti anand of anjali, sathi leelavathi fame)...he's the sound-engg of this film as well.

From: Cinefan on Wed Sep 30 7:26:18 2009.

Shankar,Hi.
Seeing you in the film section after a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time.
From: NOV on Wed Sep 30 8:54:18 2009.

shankar, pillai kutti nallaa irukkaangala?

sun music (malaysia) is conducting a survey on who is kamal's best co-star.

madhavan has received over 75% of the votes with pasupathy and mohanlal trailing far behind.

From: Movie Cop on Wed Sep 30 12:20:41 2009.

Prakashraj and parthiban would have overacted in their own way so no percentages there. Cheran plays characters that cry when insulted by maamanaar - avaru poi ipdielaam react pandra common man rolekku? Laughing

Pragash Raj/Parthipan/Seran are just examples. Whether they overact or act baedly is besides the point. Their acting flaws aside, they can be easily accepted as common man versus some like KH who carries an extra baggage which the viewers are never going to look at him as just another kuppan/suppan.

Neeraj Pandey's script revolves around "Aam aadmi" - that is the soul of the movie. Someone like Naseeruddin Shah will fit it like a “T”. That he is one of the finest actors in the country is an added bonus. Let's say, hypothetically, if Amitabh Bachan or Aamir Khan would have played "Aam Aadmi" to perfection as much as Shah, I'm still not sure whether the viewers would have been able to relate to the stranger as much. May be, the movie would have become a much bigger hit but it could have also lost the spirit of "Aam aadmi" in one way or the other.

From: Plum on Wed Sep 30 12:25:39 2009.

It is not just about 'looking the part', isnt it , MC? Cheran would have been a disaster on the movie. He just cant act - common man or uncommon man, that is a recipe for disaster.

Parthiban cant act either. These are guys who play themselves every movie, and cant do much else.
As if to compensate, Prakash Raj can act for the above two put together and more, and thats his problem. If we go down the who looks the best as common man, we might end up with Delhi Ganesh.

From: Movie Cop on Wed Sep 30 12:36:48 2009.

It is not just about 'looking the part', isnt it , MC? Cheran would have been a disaster on the movie. He just cant act - common man or uncommon man, that is a recipe for disaster.

Parthiban cant act either. These are guys who play themselves every movie, and cant do much else.
As if to compensate, Prakash Raj can act for the above two put together and more, and thats his problem. If we go down the who looks the best as common man, we might end up with Delhi Ganesh.

True playing a common man is not easy. You will still need a good actor to do that. Agree with Seran/Parthipan. Pragash Raj can be made to act properly if he is under the hands of a good director.

But when KH announces that he is playing a common man, it is only expected that he is never going to be one no matter how good he is. Ok, to be fair enough to his critics, his heavy dosage of "hep" Englees dialaaks in the middle didn't help his cause either. But what the heck? He himself declares in one of the scenes that he is not your regular next door kuppan or suppan...

From: Plum on Wed Sep 30 12:42:11 2009.

Yes, I think that is precisely the reason for that kuppan statement.

Also, I think the intelligence shining in his eyes is the reason that Vasool Raja wasnt as impactful as the Dutt portrayal in the original. Dutt simply looked every inch the goofy, half-wit rowdy. Dutt's eyes ooze nitwittedness. Idhai sila pEru Sanjay Dutt aLavukku Kamal nadikkalainu vEra solvAinga

From: tamizharasan on Wed Sep 30 12:47:36 2009.

I have not seen this movie yet. If you guys think Kamal is not convincing then he failed as an actor. I can quickly recall Mahanadhi's Krishnaswamy character where he played common man's role to perfection. Those days Vikatan had soft corner with Kamal and it clearly mentioned that. It is very easy to see a normal man as Krishnaswamy. But it is very difficult to see Kamal as Krishnaswamy. But Kamal succeeded on that. That itself very clearly indicates his great performance. Guys It was one of the greatest performances and greatest movie of Kamal haasan yet. Does it mean that Kamal is losing his magic?

From: Movie Cop on Wed Sep 30 12:53:35 2009.

Yes, I think that is precisely the reason for that kuppan statement.

Also, I think the intelligence shining in his eyes is the reason that Vasool Raja wasnt as impactful as the Dutt portrayal in the original. Dutt simply looked every inch the goofy, half-wit rowdy. Dutt's eyes ooze nitwittedness. Idhai sila pEru Sanjay Dutt aLavukku Kamal nadikkalainu vEra solvAinga Laughing

Yes, KH-SD comparison side, overall aagave indhe rowdy/side kick concept fits Mumbai milieu better than Sennai, IMO. I felt Prabhu was a big let down more than anyone else in Vasool Raja. "Circuit" really rocked in Munna bhai.

From: Movie Cop on Wed Sep 30 13:01:19 2009.

TA,
It would be too harsh to say KH failed as an actor in UPO. Setting out to do one thing and ending up in another is a failure as an actor. When "The Hindu" asked "How have you played Naseeruddin Shah's character?", KH replied (not in these exact words but something along the lines of) "I'm going to start from ground zero. I'm going to do my own version of it". The moment he declared he is going to do his version of it, we all know what to expect.

I would argue he acted well in his own version. If at all any complaints, konjam englees dialaaks kammi panirikalam. Englees dialaaks worked for me but may not have worked for many because those dialaaks belongs to the minority in Sennai not the majority junta which he was set out to represent.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Sep 30 13:10:47 2009.

MC
I will be never harsh on Kamal. May be critical at times. When I watched Mahanadhi I thought Kamal was very close to world recognition (may be an oscar) that he deserved all the time. I kept that same opinion even after watching Hey Ram also. Somehow after that I started feeling that he may be moving(consciously) away from that level. May be because of the Hey Ram's disaster at box office. After that no other movies of Kamal had impressed me as much as those movies did. Anyway I will give my honest opinion after watching the movie this weekend.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Sep 30 13:29:41 2009.

Please let me know Neenga Nallavara illa kettavara. Intelligence shining in his eyes is not an excuse though. Don't you think he had the same kind of eyes in 16 vayathinilae and in Sippikkul Muthu. But still he impressed us with his acting abilities.

From: thamiz on Wed Sep 30 13:44:32 2009.

Quote:

If at all any complaints, konjam englees dialaaks kammi panirikalam. Englees dialaaks worked for me but may not have worked for many because those dialaaks belongs to the minority in Sennai not the majority junta which he was set out to represent.

May be Kh should put thamizh subtitle to educate the "English ignorant" majority and make them appreciate the "nifty english dialogues" beautifully delivered by Kh, I suppose!

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Sep 30 14:34:27 2009.

leave kamal's english, his tamil itself sometimes demands good literary skills to understand what he says. sometimes the regional accents too are not easy, some parts of tenali and virumaandi vouch
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 30 15:26:58 2009.

Who or what is a common man? Is there any guide one should refer to, as in a common man looks like this, talks like that etc?
How is a common man different from say, a Kamal man or kuppan man or suppan man?
If one is referring to lookin (in)conspicuous, thats a different issue but nothing much can be done about it i guess
From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 30 15:32:34 2009.

Parthiban, Cheran ku indha matter theriyuma? Very dangerous i say!

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 30 15:53:40 2009.

May be Kh should put thamizh subtitle to educate the "English ignorant" majority and make them appreciate the "nifty english dialogues" beautifully delivered by Kh, I suppose! Very Happy

Quote:

Oh, maybe he didn't because our people seem to understand even the dialogues of actors whose so-called Thamizh still sounds like Kannada, you see

From: tamizharasan on Wed Sep 30 16:08:36 2009.

May be Kh should put thamizh subtitle to educate the "English ignorant" majority and make them appreciate the "nifty english dialogues" beautifully delivered by Kh, I suppose! Very Happy

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Oh, maybe he didn't because our people seem to understand even the dialogues of actors whose so-called Thamizh still sounds like Kannada, you see Smile

Any accent is fine as long as it is not fake, you see.

The problem for people is the language not accent

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 30 16:25:45 2009.

You call it fake because it feels like he doesn't speak English like most of "us"? Who is this "us" because each state in India has its own accent? Or, are you saying it is fake because it sounds just a wee bit like American but is nowhere near that?
A fake accent is an accent which does not come naturally to you. You will be caught in no time.
That is, you will have your natural accent plus your put-on accent(s). Adhavadhu, ingirundhu pona Indians (who now speak with a proper American accent) would have been faking (attempting) the accent till they got it right. Then it becomes acquired/natural. With Kamal, that is his natural accent. Have you seen his interviews to Hindi channels? Thats the way he speaks.
sariyilla, sahikkala nu sollalaam, adhu vera vishayam
A Tamilian speaks English like Thamizh, if left to himself. He has to keep faking/practicing till he loses that. Appo, Thamizh manam varaama pesaravanga ellam fake-a?

You know where he fakes? when he deliberately scales down and speaks the Tamilized English (local interviews sometimes), the way he pronounces "smuggler" (smugguLer) in Kaadhala Kaadhala etc.. Thats the fakester!

From: tamizharasan on Wed Sep 30 16:47:35 2009.

A fake accent is an accent which does not come naturally to you. You will be caught in no time. That is, you will have your natural accent plus your put-on accent(s). Adhavadhu, ingirundhu pona Indians (who now speak with a proper American accent) would have been faking (attempting) the accent till they got it right. Then it becomes acquired/natural. With Kamal, that is his natural accent. Have you seen his interviews to Hindi channels? Thats the way he speaks.
sariyilla, sahikkala nu sollalaam, adhu vera vishayam
A Tamilian speaks English like Thamizh, if left to himself. He has to keep faking/practicing till he loses that. Appo, Thamizh manam varaama pesaravanga ellam fake-a?

You know where he fakes? when he deliberately scales down and speaks the Tamilized English (local interviews sometimes), the way he pronounces "smuggler" (smugguLer) in Kaadhala Kaadhala etc.. Thats the fakester!

Bala Take it easy. I would not have come back hard on you if you had not attacked Kannada accent. Anyway without any doubt Kamal is a great artist. One of the best ever in Indian cinema and deserves all the recognition in cinema . But English and Hindi are not his strong points. Honestly he speaks english with different accent in cinema than in interview. For example the accent he speaks in MMKR is different from what he speaks on TV and what is being spoken in England. Your opinion may be different and let us agree to disagree.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Wed Sep 30 16:50:37 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

Bala Take it easy. I would not have come back hard on you if you had not attacked Kannada accent.

Thamiz madam's posts will get the replies they deserve. Let there be no doubts!
Cool, naama free-a viduvom

From: tamizharasan on Wed Sep 30 17:11:49 2009.

Bala Take it easy. I would not have come back hard on you if you had not attacked Kannada accent.

Thamiz madam's posts will get the replies they deserve. Let there be no doubts! Wink

Cool, naama free-a viduvom Smile

No problem friend. I think Kamal should produce more low budget movies like this and make money and get ready for his dream movies like Marudhanayagam or Marma Yogi on his own. Because others may not have guts to invest money on those kind of ventures except kamal.

From: mareen on Wed Sep 30 19:10:24 2009.

wicked movie this.

i welcome any movie that has no songs and sticks to the story.
From: P_R on Wed Sep 30 20:48:54 2009.

Plum wrote:

Idhai sila pEru Sanjay Dutt aLavukku Kamal nadikkalainu vEra solvAinga

sirichuttA aachaa ?

Fact remains....<screeching halt...scratch out> opinion remains, that Sanjay Dutt pulled off an awesome performance and Kamal did not.

Of late, Kamal the person is becoming more and more difficult to purge 'ngrEn (Dasavatharam excluded even there Rangarajan Nambi..).I have this theory that the 'intelligent' characters/the ones that reflect a writer a lot have a lot of Kamal himself. (I am not saying I don't like that. summA oru observation).

Sakthi from thevar magan, prof. selvam, DCP Adhi, Nallasivam when he is Nalla,and even Saket and Krishnasamy (admittedly to a smaller extent). That is what I suppose happens in UPO (innum paakkalai )

More than AnbE Sivam, more than all the Dasavatharams his performance of the decade will be VirumaaNdi. He was a 'different person' so easily and fluently. The second intro scene where he slams the table and his expression. The off-screen Kamal had vanished.
From: Plum on Wed Sep 30 22:29:49 2009.

Sari dhaan. At a micro level, dutt made munnabhai work yes. At a.macro level, this is used as a stick to beat kamal with. Not on.
if munnabhai had been a little darker with more criminality than goofiness, and senior dutt is shown dying in anguish, it would have almost been sunjay dutt's biography . No wonder he did that role well. Selladhu
(Full credit to director ofcourse)
From: Cinefan on Thu Oct 1 3:33:25 2009.

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14912735&cid=13525926

Chennai Box Office - September 25 to 28

Wednesday, 30 September , 2009, 15:29
Last Updated: Wednesday, 30 September , 2009, 15:33

During the long Pooja weekend, Kamal Hassan’s Unnaipol Oruvan rocked the CBO and is the clear number one.
In its second weekend, the film netted Rs 59, 51,483 thanks to the four-day of holiday. The total net for the film in 11 days from 11 screens in Chennai is a whopping Rs 1,73,09520 making it a super hit and the best-ever opening for 2009!

At number two is the Shankar produced Eeram, which has really picked up and can be now classified as a hit.

In third position is Thiru Thiru Thuru Thuru, which has taken a very good opening in limited screens. Word-of-mouth on the film will surely make it a big multiplex hit.

Ninaithale Inikkum is steady at number four, while What’s Your Raashee is at number five.

Note : Ratings are based on the box office collections and the cost of the film

Unnaipol Oruvan
Cast: Kamal Hassan, Mohanlal, Lakshmi, Ganesh Venkatram, Anuja
Director: Chakri Toleti
The lead cast & dialogues
Too much English and some loopholes in the presentation

BO verdict : Excellent opening

Read Review

Eeram
Cast: Nandaa, Aadhi, Sindhu Menon, Saranya Mohan
Director: Arivazhagan
Cool narration and new stars
Too long for a thriller

BO verdict : Average

Read Review

Thiru Thiru Thuru Thuru
Cast: Ajmal, Rupa, Mouli, Lakshmi
Director: JS Nandhini
Clean family entertainer
Songs, predictable

BO verdict : Good opening

Read Review

Ninaithale Inikkum
Cast: Prithviraj, Sakthi, Karthik Kumar, Priyamani, Bhagyaraj
Director: G N R Kumaravelan
College atmosphere, Prithviraj and Shakthi
Nowhere near the original

BO verdict : Hit

Read Review

What’s Your Raashee
Cast: Harman Baweja, Priyanka Chopra, Anjan Srivastava ,Visshwa Badola, Rajesh Vivek
Director: Ashutosh Gowarikar
Priyanka Chopra, songs
Plenty

BO verdict : Average

Read Review

From: Plum on Thu Oct 1 3:58:35 2009.

Fact remains....<screeching halt...scratch out> opinion remains, that Sanjay Dutt pulled off an awesome performance and Kamal did not.

Of late, Kamal the person is becoming more and more difficult to purge 'ngrEn (Dasavatharam excluded even there Rangarajan Nambi..).I have this theory that the 'intelligent' characters/the ones that reflect a writer a lot have a lot of Kamal himself. (I am not saying I don't like that. summA oru observation).

Sakthi from thevar magan, prof. selvam, DCP Adhi, Nallasivam when he is Nalla,and even Saket and Krishnasamy (admittedly to a smaller extent). That is what I suppose happens in UPO (innum paakkalai )

More than AnbE Sivam, more than all the Dasavatharams his performance of the decade will be VirumaaNdi. He was a 'different person' so easily and fluently. The second intro scene where he slams the table and his expression. The off-screen Kamal had vanished.

Idhai sila pEru Sanjay Dutt aLavukku Kamal nadikkalainu vEra solvAinga Laughing

sirichuttA aachaa ? Smile

Yes, I know I am making an excuse for Vasool Raja. But the comparision is not on was what I meant. I dont like Vasool Raja, it failed at multiple levels for me. But I dont rate Munnabhai highly either so...
Mumbai Express?

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 6:32:52 2009.

அதேபோல, பெரிய படங்கள் பண்டிகை நாட்களில் மட்டும் வெளியாக வேண்டும் என கெடுபிடி விதித்திருக்கிறார்கள்... பெரிய படம், சின்ன படம் என்று பார்த்தா மக்கள் அதை ஹிட்டாக்குகிறார்கள்? நல்ல படமாக இருக்க வேண்டும்...

உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவன் என்ன மெகா பட்ஜெட் படமா?. கமல்ஹாஸன் சம்பளம் என்ற ஒரு விஷயத்தைக் கழித்துவிட்டுப் பார்த்தால், ஒரு மினிமம் பட்ஜெட் படம் மாதிரிதான் அது. ஆனால் இன்று பிளாக் பஸ்டர் என்று சொல்லும் அளவு ஹிட் படமாகிவிட்டது. அடுத்தடுத்த இந்த மாதிரி பாதுகாப்பாக படம் பண்ணலாமே என கமல்ஹாஸனே யோசித்து வருகிறார். எனவே சரக்குள்ள படமாக எடுக்க தயாரிப்பாளர்களுக்குத் தெரிந்திருக்க வேண்டும்... அது எந்த சீஸனில் வெளியானாலும் மக்கள் ஆதரவு தருவார்கள்!

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2009/10/01-tamil-producers-struggling-with-their-own.html
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 8:27:37 2009.

Ulta UPO -just for fun
http://www.vettipayal.com/2009/09/blog-post_30.html
From: P_R on Thu Oct 1 8:49:39 2009.

As Mahaprabhu Sarathkumar would say: All shows outsold.

I am Sunday evening 2nd rung theatre trying.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 8:52:39 2009.

I saw UPO in my native last sunday. koottam kammi(30%) padumosamaana sound system. inspite of that, ppl enjoyed the movie. more claps were for - girlfriend scene & can i smoke here

but i understand, in metros the movie is just simply rocking. enga oorla entha nalla padamum odiyathaaga sarithiram illai. mouna raagam record 2 days

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 1 9:42:20 2009.

I saw UPO in my native last sunday. koottam kammi(30%) padumosamaana sound system. inspite of that, ppl enjoyed the movie. more claps were for - girlfriend scene & can i smoke here

but i understand, in metros the movie is just simply rocking. enga oorla entha nalla padamum odiyathaaga sarithiram illai. mouna raagam record 2 days

I caught the film on a weekday night show @ Forum Value Mall last week. 60% occupancy. Light-a anba sound kuduthadhukke enna eena piravi madhiri paakkaraanga

Interval ku apparam decent-a front row ku snakes-oda shift aitten. Multiplexes-a neraya maatha vendiyadhu irukku! (Sathyatha namma makkal Thevar Magan special show la full-a maathittaanga

)

From: joe on Thu Oct 1 10:54:28 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Light-a anba sound kuduthadhukke enna eena piravi madhiri paakkaraanga

Anban - Singapore Theatre thaan gyapagam varuthu
From: P_R on Thu Oct 1 10:56:10 2009.
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Oct 1 12:04:45 2009.

joe wrote:

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Light-a anba sound kuduthadhukke enna eena piravi madhiri paakkaraanga

Anban - Singapore Theatre thaan gyapagam varuthu

Joe anne, namma oorila evening shows 100% occupancy. Matha shows 60-75% full aagudhaam. Thats a good sign..
From: Anban on Thu Oct 1 12:09:00 2009.

joe wrote:

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Light-a anba sound kuduthadhukke enna eena piravi madhiri paakkaraanga

Anban - Singapore Theatre thaan gyapagam varuthu
aamaa joe, theatre-la bomb vedichaa kooda amaithiyaa paappaainga pola
From: hattori_hanzo on Thu Oct 1 12:28:04 2009.

nethu dhaan first time AVM Rajeshwarila evening show-kku House Full sign podala. Till the day before yesterday, Sep 30th all evening shows were running full. Ithanaikkum, the movie is running in Udhayam, AVM, Rohini, Kasi - ellam within 5 kms from each other.

From: joe on Thu Oct 1 12:28:32 2009.

..Namma oorula 2 theatre-la release acheppa ..ippo rendulayum oodutha?

Btw, Namma oorula Mohanlal is added value

Light-a anba sound kuduthadhukke enna eena piravi madhiri paakkaraanga Twisted Evil

Anban - Singapore Theatre thaan gyapagam varuthu Laughing

Joe anne, namma oorila evening shows 100% occupancy. Matha shows 60-75% full aagudhaam. Thats a good sign.. Very Happy

From: ajaybaskar on Thu Oct 1 12:31:29 2009.

Still running in 2 theatres (Vasantham and Rajesh). Even Dasa was released only in one theatre.

100% Occupancy in Rajesh. Not sure abt the other theatre.
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 12:32:52 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

Still running in 2 theatres (Vasantham and Rajesh). Even Dasa was released only in one theatre.

100% Occupancy in Rajesh. Not sure abt the other theatre.

That is great ...Additionally it is released in Marthandam also .

Btw,I think Dasa also released in 2 theatres initially for few weeks
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Oct 1 12:34:03 2009.

Anand?
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 12:34:53 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

Anand?

Yes
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Oct 1 12:35:40 2009.

Anand is a fairly good theatre. But Kuzhithurai Lakshmi is the best in KK dist. Hope u have visited that.
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Oct 1 12:38:25 2009.

@ Joe Annan,

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qzh3zuenmlz/1338708_5.jpg
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 12:38:34 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

Anand is a fairly good theatre. But Kuzhithurai Lakshmi is the best in KK dist. Hope u have visited that.

I never been to theatres in Marthandam / Kuzhithurai , only at Nagercoil.

Btw ,Marthandam is under kuzhithuRai township ..right?
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Oct 1 12:41:19 2009.

No idea. Kuzhithurai is the next stop to Marthandam. Thats the only thing i know. I watched Dheena in that theatre. Awesome theatre with good sound system, seating, etc. The owner of that theatre has some good theatres in TVM city.
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 12:44:53 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

No idea. Kuzhithurai is the next stop to Marthandam.

Kuzhithurai municipality consists of KuzhithuRai and Marthandam .

Btw , Probably the only municipality in TN without cinema theatre should be Colachel.
From: ajaybaskar on Thu Oct 1 12:45:45 2009.

U r from muttom,right?
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 12:46:42 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

U r from muttom,right?

Pallam ,very near to Muttom.
From: Movie Cop on Thu Oct 1 12:46:48 2009.

joe wrote:

Ulta UPO -just for fun
http://www.vettipayal.com/2009/09/blog-post_30.html

Good hilarious one...

"இங்க எல்லாரும் படத்துல கமல் ரோலை நாசர் செஞ்சிருக்கலாம், பிரகாஷ் ராஜ் செஞ்சிருக்கலாம், சார்லி, ஓமக்குச்சி நரசிம்மன் செய்திருக்கலாம்னு கமலுக்கு நிறைய அட்வைஸ் கொடுத்துட்டாங்க. விஜயகாந்த் படத்துல வாசிம் கானா வருவாரே அவர் பண்ணிருக்கலாம்னு சொல்லாதது தான் மிச்சம்."
From: AravindMano on Thu Oct 1 13:12:33 2009.

Watched second time @ Sathyam as my mom wanted to see it. I could observe more stuff this time. Movie was not boring at all for a second time watch. Theater reaction was as good as the First Day Show at Mayajal. Apparently, there were some 'repeat audience'. (Sila mukkiyamaana dialogue varadhukku munnaadiyae kai thattinaanga!). House full! (7:15 PM)

When i watched it for the first time, I was very much moved, almost to tears, when Kamal narrates the story. Second time paakkum podhu avLo effective a irukkaadhu nu ninachen. But, Kamal -

My mom completely enjoyed the film. On seeing the crowd, she said, 'niRaiya koottaam. padam nalla odum nu ninaikren. Kamal yaarukko producerku paNam kudukkaNumaame, paavam, kodukattum'!!
From: Anban on Thu Oct 1 13:20:03 2009.

gauthami has dubbed for the wife character..
From: Movie Cop on Thu Oct 1 13:33:54 2009.

Anban wrote:

gauthami has dubbed for the wife character..
That's an easy one. I thought so while watching the movie.
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 13:36:56 2009.

Anban wrote:

gauthami has dubbed for the wife character..

Kamal wife 'Insha Allah ' solluRatha vachu Kamal muslim -nnu oru koottam ,illainnu oru koottam mothikittirukku ..

Ippo intha matter therinja Gowthami muslim illai -nnu ithaiye aatharama solluvanga

From: tamizharasan on Thu Oct 1 13:39:28 2009.

By praising Kamal too much, We see more kamal than character itself these days. It happened to great actors in the past also. Kadaisiyila Singaththukku idly potta kadhai aagama irundha sari.

Idhai sila pEru Sanjay Dutt aLavukku Kamal nadikkalainu vEra solvAinga Laughing

sirichuttA aachaa ? Smile

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 13:54:48 2009.

Pathivargalin Latest kurai about UPO : In the end of the film scene kamal carries a bag of vegetables back to home. After a keen look onto the bag, this is what the blogger has to say - kamalukku intha vayasula murungakkai thevaya ???

From: joe on Thu Oct 1 13:59:08 2009.

Pathivargalin Latest kurai about UPO : In the end of the film scene kamal carries a bag of vegetables back to home. After a keen look onto the bag, this is what the blogger has to say - kamalukku intha vayasula murungakkai thevaya ???

Ithu paravayilla ..someone asked ..Kamal muslim-na avar mutton vaagirupparulla

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 14:02:56 2009.

intha vettippaya kootathukku thalaiver ennamaa theeni poduraaru?!?
From: joe on Thu Oct 1 14:06:07 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

intha vettippaya kootathukku thalaiver ennamaa theeni poduraaru?!?

yeah ,109 reviews listed here
http://truetamilans.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_22.html
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 14:20:43 2009.

adappaavigalaa!!! ivanunga azichatiyathukku oru alave illayaa?!? inime thalaivarai thitravanukkellaam critics tax pottu vasool pannanum
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 15:24:03 2009.

http://irumbuthirai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_25.html

கவுண்டமணி,செந்தில்,உ.போ.ஓ

கவுண்டமணி ப்ளாக்கர் பிரவேஷம் தோல்வியில் முடிந்ததால் செந்திலை உள்ளே விடக் கூடாது என்று உத்தரவு பிறப்பிக்கிறார்.

கவுண்டமணி காலையில் எழுந்து மொட்டை மாடியில் நின்று குளிக்கும் பக்கத்து வீட்டு பெண்ணை சைட் அடிக்கிறார்."ஆத்தாடி பாவாட காத்தாட.. குளிக்குது ரோசா நாத்து.." என்று பாடி சிக்னல் கொடுக்கிறார்.

ஒரு அல்லக்கை குறுக்கே வந்து "அண்ணே உங்களப் பாக்க ஒரு புரோடியுஸர் வந்து இருக்காரு.."

கவுண்டமணி - "சும்மா இருக்கும் போது ஒரு நாய் வராது..எப்பவாது தான் இப்படி சான்ஸ் கிடைக்கும்..அத கெடுக்கிறதுக்குனே வந்துருவாங்களே..போ வர்றேன்.."

கவுண்டமணி அந்த பெண்ணிடம் சொல்கிறார்.."ஹேஹேய் நாளைக்குப் பார்ப்போம்.."

அங்கு ஹாலில் முதுகு காட்டி அமர்ந்து இருப்பவரைப் பார்த்து கவுண்டமணி கை எடுத்துக் கும்பிட்டு கொண்டே சொல்கிறார்.."வணக்கம் முதலாளி.."

அவரை பார்க்க வேகமாக வரும் கவுண்டமணியின் காலில் ஒரு நாடா தட்டுப்படுகிறது.."இதை எங்கேயோ பார்த்த ஞாபகம் இருக்கே.." என்று யோசிக்கும் போது அந்த ஆள் திரும்புகிறார்.அது செந்தில்.

கவுண்டமணி - "அட இவனப் பார்த்தா கை எடுத்து கும்பிட்டோம்..முதல்ல கைய கருக்கிறனும்,முதலாளின்னு கூப்பிட்ட வாயை அவிச்சறனும்..நீ எதுக்குடா இங்க வந்தே..எம் ப்ளாக்க நாசமாக்கின நாய் நீ..அதுவும் பொய் சொல்லிட்டு வந்து இருக்க..ஓடிப் போயிரு.."

செந்தில் - "அண்ணே எதுக்கு இப்போ இவ்ளோ கோவம்..ரொம்ப பிஸி போல.."

கவுண்டமணி - "படுவா நக்கல் பண்ணாத..வாயிலே அடிப்பேன்..ஆமா வேட்டைகாரன் படத்துல ஹீரோ நாந்தான்..ரொம்ப பிஸி..ரெண்டு பேரும் சும்மாதானே இருக்கோம்..அப்புறம் என்ன நக்கல்.."

கவுண்டமணியின் மனைவி வந்து "என்னங்க..அரிசி இல்ல வாங்கிட்டு வாங்க.."

செந்தில் - "நான் வேணா வாங்கிட்டு வரட்டுமா.."

கவுண்டமணி - "படத்துல நீ ஏமாத்தலாம்..இது நிஜம்..இந்த டகால்டி வேலையெல்லாம் எங்கிட்ட வைச்சுக்காத.."

செந்தில் - "உ.போ.ஒ படம் பாத்திங்களா..கமல் கேரக்டர் நீங்க பண்ணியிருந்தா நல்லாயிருந்திருக்கும் அண்ணே.."

கவுண்டமணி - "யாரு நானு..படம் எடுக்கிறவனுக்கு தெரியாதா..யார் நடிக்கனும் நடிக்க கூடாதுன்னு..இப்படி மோகன்லால் கேரக்டர்ல நீ நடின்னு நான் திரும்ப சொல்லனுமா.."

செந்தில் - "நான் என்ன சொல்ல வர்றேன்னு உங்களுக்குப் புரியல.."

கவுண்டமணி - "நீ எதுக்கோ அடிப் போடுறது எனக்கு தெரியுது..வேணாம் மண்டையா..இது நல்லது இல்ல சொல்லிட்டேன்.."

செந்தில் - "இந்துத்துவா தூக்கலா இருக்காம் படத்துல..நீங்க உங்க பங்குக்கு ஏதாவது சொல்லுங்க.."

கவுண்டமணி - "நான் என்ன சொன்னாலும் நீ அதுக்கு ஆப்போஸிட் பார்ட்டிகிட்ட மாட்டி விட ப்ளான் பண்ணுவ.."

செந்தில் - "பார்ப்பனீசம் பத்தி ஏதாவது சொல்லுங்க அண்ணே.."

கவுண்டமணி - "டேய் மண்டையா..உனக்கு என்ன வேணும்..சொன்னாத் தான் விடுவியா..வேறும் வயித்தல நாலு டம்ளர் ரசம் குடி..உனக்கே புரியும்.."

செந்தில் - "ஐய்யோ குடல் வெந்துரும்..நான் மாட்டேன்..வேற வழி இருந்தா சொல்லுங்க.."

கவுண்டமணி - "அப்போ விஷத்தக் குடிடா டங்குவார் தலையா.."

செந்தில் - "கட்டுடைப்புனா என்ன.."

கவுண்டமணி - "கரும்பு கட்ட உடச்சு ஒரு கரும்ப எடுப்பாங்க..அதுதான் கட்டுடைப்பு.."

செந்தில் - "பின் நவீனத்துவம்மா என்ன சொல்லுங்க பாப்போம்.."

கவுண்டமணி - "உன்னப் பின்னாடி நவீனமா மிதிப்பேன்..அதுதான் நீ கேட்டது.."

செந்தில் - "கட்டவிழ்ப்புனா என்ன.."

கவுண்டமணி - "நேரம் வரும் போது உனக்கே தெரிய வரும்..இதோட நிறுத்திக்கோ.."(மனசுக்குள்) "அந்த பொண்ணு குளிச்சியிருக்கும்.."

செந்தில் - "அண்ணே எதிர்கருத்து சொன்னா தான் விவாதம் சூடு பிடிக்கும்.."

கவுண்டமணி - "ஓடிப் போயிரு..நான் விவாதம் பண்ணுவேன்..ஆனா உன் கூட மட்டும் கிடையாது..இதெல்லாம் நீ படம் பார்த்து தோணிச்சா இல்ல யார் கிட்டயாவது கேட்டுப் போட்டு வந்து லந்து கொடுக்கிறீயா.."

செந்தில் - "அந்த நாய் என்ன முறைக்குதுண்ணே.."

கவுண்டமணி - "பின்ன முறைக்காம என்ன பண்ணும்..அது லஞ்ச்சுக்கு போட்டியா ஒருத்தன் வந்துடான்னு நினைக்குது.."

செந்தில் - "போன தடவை வந்தப்போ நாய் இல்லையே.."

கவுண்டமணி - "உன்ன மாதிரி பன்னிகளைப் பிடிக்க தான் வாங்கினேன்.."

செந்தில் - "யார் கிட்ட இருந்து வாங்கினீங்க.."

கவுண்டமணி - "ஜப்பான் நடிகை ஜில் ஜில் ஜிகா கிட்ட இருந்து வாங்கினேன்.."

செந்தில் - (காதுக்குள்) "................................."

கவுண்டமணி - "யாரப் பாத்து இந்த கேள்வியக் கேப்ப..பன்னாட..பரதேசி.."

செந்தில் - "நாய்க்கு என்ன சாப்பாடு வைப்பீங்கன்னு கேட்டது தப்பா.."

கவுண்டமணி - "டேய் மாத்தி பேசாத..உன்னப் பத்தி எல்லார்க்கும் தெரியும்..நீ என்ன கேட்டு இருப்பேன்னும் தெரியும்.."

செந்தில் - "அண்ணே..நீங்க தெலுங்கு உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் படத்திலையாவது கமல் கேரக்டர் பண்ணியிருக்கலாம்.."

கவுண்டமணி - "மறுபடியும் முதல்ல இருந்தா..ராஜா நீ கட்டவிழ்ப்பு பத்தி கேட்ட மாதிரி ஞாபகம்..இரு உனக்கு காட்டுறேன்.."

நாயை அவுத்து விடுகிறார்..அது செந்திலைக் கடிக்காமல் செந்திலுடன் ஓடிப் போகிறது..

கவுண்டமணி கோபம் தாங்க முடியாமல் செந்திலை அடிக்க ஓடுகிறார்.நாய் கவுண்டமணியைக் கடித்து செந்திலைக் காப்பாற்றுகிறது..

முப்பது நாட்களுக்கு விரதம் இருக்க வேண்டும் என டாக்டர் சொல்லி அனுப்புகிறார்..அதை எப்படியோ தெரிந்து கொண்ட குளியல் பெண் "முத்துக் குளிக்க வாரீகளா.." என்று பாடி கவுண்டமணியை வெறுப்பேத்துகிறார்
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 1 15:24:56 2009.

Idhellam enna perusu? VV padatha oruthan review panren nu oru "Eureka finding" pottirundhaan paarunga. Adhavadhu Kamal and Jyothika go for breakfast to an Indian joint right? Avinga Indian joint nu sonnaanga aana andha dish-a paatha Indian madhiri therila - nu oru podu pottaan Chatni veikkala sambar veikkala nu ellam solraangappa....
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 15:25:05 2009.

http://tucklasssu.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_23.html

நாங்களும் ரவுடிதாண்டியேய்.- உ.போ.ஒ.

எ வெட்னஸ்டே-உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன்- நஸ்ருதீன் ஷா-கமல்ஹாசன்- மோகன்லால்- வெங்கடேஷ்-ரீமேக்-மொட்டைமாடி- தக்காளி- காமன் மேன்-குப்பன்-சுப்பன்-கம்யீனிஸம் -முஸ்லீம்- இந்து -வெடிகுண்டு- தீவிரவாதம் -தீவிரவாதி- வெடிகுண்டு- பயங்கரவாதம்(தி)- தேசியவாதம்(தி)-ஆரியன்-பாகிஸ்தான்-விஜயகாந்த்-திராவிடன்-பார்ப்பனிசம்-பார்ப்பான்- கொண்டை-குஜராத்-மோடி-கோத்ரா-பெஸ்ட்பேக்கரி-துயரம்-மும்பை-தமிழகம்-தமிழன்-கவலை -இரா.முருகன்-மூணு பொண்டாட்டி-ரெண்டு இருக்கு-மதம்-முட்டாள்-பாசிஸம்-திரைக்கதை ஒன்றரை மணிநேரம்-இனவெறி-தலைமைச் செயலர்-லட்சுமி-கலைஞர்-மிமிக்ரி-கோபாலபுரம் -வீடு-கரப்பான்பூச்சி-பத்தாம் நம்பர்-பாரதமாதா-முருங்கைக்காய்-சிக்கன்-அயோக்கியன் -பொறுக்கி-செக்யூரிலிசம்-மலையாளி-திரைப்படம்-பொழுதுபோக்கு-இடைவேளை-பப்ஸ் -முறுக்கு-மைனாரிட்டி-மெஜாரிட்டி-செருப்பு-பேட்டா-ஆர்.டிஎக்ஸ்-80 கிலோ-சிம்கார்டு -காஷ்மீர்-உள்நாட்டுக்குழப்பம்- ராணுவம்-மனஉளைச்சல்-ஸ்ருதிஹாசன்-மனுஷ்யபுத்திரன்- ஹமீது-இளையராஜா-தேவர்மகன்-தந்திரம்-சாதிக்கலவரம்-முதுகுளத்தூர்-அரிவாள்-அவாள் -தெற்குப்பகுதி- காந்தியம்-ஹேராம் குருதிப்புனல்-போராளி-இந்துத்துவா............அட போங்கப்பா மண்டைகாயுது..!
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 15:27:26 2009.

http://irumbuthirai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_4834.html

உன்னைப் போல் ஒரு வாழைப்பழம் - வெளிக்குத்து

நீதி :

பழத்தைச் சாப்பிட்டு விட்டு தோலைக் குப்பைத் தொட்டியில் போடவும்..கண்ட இடத்தில் போட்டால் வழுக்கி விழ வாய்ப்பு அதிகம்..பத்தாம் நம்பர் செருப்பாக இருந்தாலும் வழுக்கும்..
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 1 15:29:00 2009.

http://manioosai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post.html

பாட்டி வடை சுட்ட கதையும் என்னைப் போல் ஒருவனும்.

இன்று எனது மகனுக்காக வாங்கிய ஒரு கதைப் புத்தகத்தை புரட்டிக் கொண்டிருந்தேன். அதில் ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட கதையை படித்ததும் அதிர்ந்து போனேன். இக்கதைகளை படிக்கும் பிஞ்சு மனதில் நஞ்சை விதைக்கும் ஒரே நோக்கத்துடன் படைக்கப்பட்ட கதை குப்பை அது. அதைப் படித்த போது ஏற்பட்ட மன உளைச்சல் கொஞ்ச நஞ்சமல்ல. இந்துத்துவம், பார்பனீயம், முதலாளித்துவம் என்று உலகில் உள்ள அனைத்து அயோக்கியத்தனத்தையும் ஒன்றாக கரைத்து வாசகர்களின் மேல் வாந்தியெடுப்பதை தவிர வேறு எந்த வித குறிக்கோளும் இல்லாத அந்த கதை இதோ இது தான்

ஒரு ஊரில் பாட்டி ஒருத்தி வடை சுட்டு விற்று வந்தாள். ஒரு நாள் அவ்வழியாக பறந்து வந்த காக்கா ஒன்று ஒரு வடையை தூக்கிக்கொண்டு பறந்து போய் மரக்கிளை ஒன்றில் உட்கார்ந்து கொண்டது. அந்த வழியாக வந்த நரி, வடையோடு காக்காவை பார்த்துவிட்டது; வடையைத் தான் எடுத்துக்கொள்ள ஒரு தந்திரம் செய்தது. காக்காவைப் பார்த்து காக்கா, நீ மிகவும் அழகாக இருக்கிறாய். உனக்கு குரலும் கூட அழகாக இருக்கக்கூடும், ஒரு பாட்டுப் பாடு என்றது. காக்கா தன் வாயைத் திறந்து "கா.. கா..." என்று பாட்டுப் பாடவே வாயிலிருந்த வடை கீழே விழுந்துவிட்டது. நரி வடையை கவ்வி எடுத்துக்கொண்டு போனது.

முதலில் பாட்டியை கவனிப்போம். ஒரு வயதான பெண்மணியை குறிப்பிட வேறு பல சொற்கள் இருக்கின்றன. ஆனாலும் இந்த கதையின் ஆரம்பம் முதல் முடிவு வரை இவள் "பாட்டி" என்றே அழைக்கப்படுகிறாள். கிழவி, ஆயா போன்ற நலிந்த, நசுக்கப்பட்ட மக்களின் பாஷையில் ஒரு முறை கூட குறிப்பிடப்படவில்லை. இவள் பாட்டியாக இருப்பதற்கும் கிழவியாக இல்லாமல் போனதற்கும் காரணம் ஒன்று தான் - இவள் ஆதிக்கசாதியின் பிரதிநிதி. இவள் எதற்காக வடை விற்க வேண்டும்? ஏன் சிக்கன் 65 அல்லது மட்டன் சுக்கா விற்கவில்லை என்று யோசித்துப் பார்த்தால் மேலும் பல படிமங்கள் புலப்படும்.

அடுத்தது காக்கா. உலகில் எத்தனையோ பறவைகள் இருக்க எதற்காக இந்த கதையில் காக்கா? ஏன் ஒரு கிளியோ, வெண்புறாவோ, அன்னமோ வடையை திருடவில்லை? காரணம் இல்லாமலில்லை. இந்து சாஸ்திரப்படி பிரம்மனின் காலில் இருந்து பிறந்தவன் சூத்திரன். காலில் அழுக்கு இருக்கும். அழுக்கு கருப்பாக இருக்கும். அதாவது பிரம்மனின் காலில் இருந்து பிறந்தவர்கள் கருப்பாக இருப்பார்கள். ஆக கருப்பான காகம் இங்கே சூத்திரனின் குறியீடு. ஒன்றும் ஒன்றும் ஒன்றும் ஒன்றும் நாலு என்ற சுலபமான கணக்கு தான் இதுவும். இந்த இடத்தில் முக்கியமாக கவனிக்க வேண்டிய மற்றுமொறு விசயம் இருக்கிறது. இந்த கதையில் ஒரு இடத்தில் கூட "காகம்" என்ற மரியாதை தொனிக்கும் சொற்பிரயோகம் கிடையாது. கதை முழுவதும் "காக்கா" என்ற மரியாதையற்ற வார்த்தை தான். பாட்டி கிழவியாக கூடாது. காக்கா காகம் ஆக முடியாது. இது தான் இவர்களின் தர்மம்.

இக்கதையில் வரும் நரி ஒரு புத்திசாலி. நல்ல வார்த்தைகளில் பேசும் ஒரு கனவான் தோற்றம் அதற்கு. மேலுக்கு நயவஞ்சகவாதி போல சித்தரிக்கப்பட்டாலும் உண்மை அதுவல்ல. அது பற்றி பிறகு பேசலாம்.

இத்தகைய பாத்திரப் படைப்புக்களின் இடையே இந்த கதையை கட்டுடைத்தால் நமக்கு நமக்கு மிஞ்சுவது கீழ் கண்ட வினாக்கள் தான்

1) இக்கதையில் காகம் கிழவியை ஏமாற்றியதை மட்டும் வெளிச்சம் போட்டு காட்டி விட்டு, கிழவி இன்று வரை மற்றவர்களை ஏமாற்றி வருவதை இருட்டடிப்பு செய்வது ஏன்? நேற்று சுட்ட ஊசிப் போன வடையை விற்கும் ஆயிரக்கணக்கான கிழவிகளை பற்றி பக்கம் பக்கமாக எழுத விசயங்கள் இருக்க, இந்த கதையில் அதைக் கண்டித்து ஒரே ஒரு வார்த்தை கூட இல்லையே?

2) கிழவியை ஏமாற்றிய காக்கைக்கு வடை பறி போனது தண்டனையாம். சரி நல்லது. காக்கையை ஏமாற்றிய நரிக்கு மட்டும் என்ன தண்டனை? கதையை முழுவதும் 12 தடவை படித்து விட்டேன், அது மட்டும் தெரியவில்லை. இளைத்தவன் என்றால் தண்டனை. தடித்தவனுக்கு புத்திசாலி பட்டமா?

3) நரி பாட சொன்னதாம் காக்கா உடனே வாயில் வடை இருப்பதையும் மறந்து பாடியதாம். உலகில் உள்ள அனைத்து காகங்களையும் முகஸ்துதிக்கு மயங்கும் முட்டாளாக சித்தரிப்பதைத் தவிர இந்த காட்சிக்கு வேறு என்ன பொருள் கொள்வது? முட்டாள் நரி இல்லையா? முட்டாள் பாட்டி இல்லையா? அது ஏன் காகம் மட்டும் முட்டாள்?

4) இந்த வரியை பாருங்கள் - "காக்கா தன் வாயைத் திறந்து "கா.. கா..." என்று பாட்டுப் பாட"
இந்த வரியில் தான் எவ்வளவு ஒரு ஆணவம் கலந்த அயோக்கியத்தனம்? காக்கையால் குயில் போல பாட முடியாமல் பரிதாபமாக "கா கா" என்று கத்துவதை கதையாக்கி கேலி செய்யும் அளவுக்கு வன்மம் தெரிக்கிறது. தியேட்டரில் சிரிக்கிறார்கள். இதற்குத்தானே ஆசைப்பட்டாய் மணிவண்ணா?

பி.கு: எதையும் நேர் கோட்டில் பார்த்தால் முற்போக்குவாதி கிடையாதாம். அதான் ஒரு 42 டிகிரி கோணத்தில் இருந்து பார்த்தேன். இப்பொ நானும் முற்போக்குவியாதி தான். அப்போ நீங்க?
From: Karikalen on Thu Oct 1 19:49:46 2009.

Saw the movie in London on Tuesday. Pretty good film. Kamal, Lal and BGM were brilliant. I am happy that it is a hit.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Oct 2 1:12:50 2009.

Idhellam enna perusu? VV padatha oruthan review panren nu oru "Eureka finding" pottirundhaan paarunga. Adhavadhu Kamal and Jyothika go for breakfast to an Indian joint right? Avinga Indian joint nu sonnaanga aana andha dish-a paatha Indian madhiri therila - nu oru podu pottaan hysterical

Chatni veikkala sambar veikkala nu ellam solraangappa....

kamal kudukkura expression paartha chutney la uppu thookkalaa irukkuthonnu thonuthu appadinnu kuda yaravathu sollalaam.

But I am very happy that fellow bloggers themselves make fun of those sarcastic bloggers who attack kamal. athuvum gounds senthil dialaakellaam vachi solraainga

From: P_R on Fri Oct 2 1:32:26 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Chatni veikkala sambar veikkala nu ellam solraangappa....

From: NOV on Fri Oct 2 2:48:19 2009.

indha vayasula thaan thEvai

uneducated fellows.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Oct 2 2:50:42 2009.

கமலஹாசன் 10 வேடங்களில் நடித்த 'தசாவதாரம்', தமிழ்நாட்டின் A, B, C என்று அழைக்கக்கூடிய மூன்று சென்டர்களிலும் வெற்றிகரமாக ஓடி, வசூல் சாதனை படைத்தது.

அதையடுத்து அவர் நடித்து சமீபத்தில் திரைக்கு வந்த 'உன்னை போல் ஒருவன்' படமும் மூன்று சென்டர்களிலும் 'சூப்பர் ஹிட்' ஆகா ஓடி கொண்டிருக்கிறது ! ஆந்திராவிலும் இந்த படம் 'ஹவுஸ்புல்' காட்சிகளுடன் ஓடி கொண்டிருப்பது, சிறப்பு தகவல்.

Source: Dailythanthi, Velli malar

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6299/abcyt.jpg
From: Sid_316 on Fri Oct 2 7:57:08 2009.

Saw it again in inox.Most of them were family crowd.. no whistles,claps .. i dunno how they can sit simply like that. but the theatre was full. Anyways enjoyed it again
From: joe on Fri Oct 2 8:12:05 2009.

Sid_316 wrote:

Saw it again in inox.Most of them were family crowd.. no whistles,claps ..

thani thaniya varumpothu pannikuvaanga

From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Oct 2 10:45:09 2009.

கமலஹாசன் 10 வேடங்களில் நடித்த 'தசாவதாரம்', தமிழ்நாட்டின் A, B, C என்று அழைக்கக்கூடிய மூன்று சென்டர்களிலும் வெற்றிகரமாக ஓடி, வசூல் சாதனை படைத்தது.

அதையடுத்து அவர் நடித்து சமீபத்தில் திரைக்கு வந்த 'உன்னை போல் ஒருவன்' படமும் மூன்று சென்டர்களிலும் 'சூப்பர் ஹிட்' ஆகா ஓடி கொண்டிருக்கிறது ! ஆந்திராவிலும் இந்த படம் 'ஹவுஸ்புல்' காட்சிகளுடன் ஓடி கொண்டிருப்பது, சிறப்பு தகவல்.

Source: Dailythanthi, Velli malar

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6299/abcyt.jpg

Petrorgal nethu paathaanga AVM Rajeswari evening show. Full.
They liked it a lot

From: marma_yogi on Fri Oct 2 10:58:40 2009.

UPO Preview Show Video
http://www.videos.behindwoods.com/videos-q1-09/movie-trailer/unnaipol-oruvan-guests-arrival.html
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Oct 2 11:04:02 2009.

3 interesting facts!

UPO Reaches its 50th day on 7th November that is Sir's birthday!

National awards are established in year 1954, birth year of Kamal!!

Official name of National Award is Swarna Kamal!!!
From: tamizharasan on Fri Oct 2 11:05:10 2009.

BTW US Distributor is smiling all the way because of the success of this movie in USA.
Is it really getting more collections than Ayan. Because it one site they said it is the biggest opening for this year. I think it can catch up with Ayan in the long run but Ayan started well because of no. of theatres. Please clarify.
From: thamiz on Fri Oct 2 11:05:49 2009.

One more fact, "eenadu" is running in only three theatres in hyderabad this week.

It did not click in goulti-naadu!
From: Anban on Fri Oct 2 13:52:33 2009.

thamiz wrote:

One more fact, "eenadu" is running in only three theatres in hyderabad this week.

It did not click in goulti-naadu!
enna oru research ..
From: tamizharasan on Fri Oct 2 14:24:04 2009.

Anban wrote:

thamiz wrote:

One more fact, "eenadu" is running in only three theatres in hyderabad this week.

It did not click in goulti-naadu!
enna oru research ..

Link please for both of you?

From: joe on Fri Oct 2 14:26:37 2009.

One more fact, "eenadu" is running in only three theatres in hyderabad this week.

It did not click in goulti-naadu! Sad

enna oru research .. Clap

Link please for both of you?

what? Anban kitta research link keekureengala ?

From: tamizharasan on Fri Oct 2 14:29:35 2009.

One more fact, "eenadu" is running in only three theatres in hyderabad this week.

It did not click in goulti-naadu! Sad

enna oru research .. Clap

Link please for both of you?

what? Anban kitta research link keekureengala ? Laughing

enna Joe moderator irundhukittu indha velai paarkkureenga. You know what Anban would have meant. Probably link to prove what kind of research thamiz has done.

From: thamiz on Fri Oct 2 14:57:48 2009.

Eenadu
Now showing in 3 theatres:

Sandhya 70mm (Chikkadpally) - 3.9 km
11:15am, 2:15pm, 6:00pm, 9:00pm

Rajadhani 70mm (Dilsukhnagar) - 6.8 km
12:00am, 3:00pm, 7:00pm, 10:00pm

Vijaya Lakshmi 35mm (L B Nagar)
12:00am, 3:00pm, 7:00pm, 10:00pm

Here is link, thamizharasan!

http://www.fullhyderabad.com/movies/theatres_showtimings_hyderabad/telugu

From: tamizharasan on Fri Oct 2 15:13:03 2009.

Eenadu
Now showing in 3 theatres:

Sandhya 70mm (Chikkadpally) - 3.9 km
11:15am, 2:15pm, 6:00pm, 9:00pm

Rajadhani 70mm (Dilsukhnagar) - 6.8 km
12:00am, 3:00pm, 7:00pm, 10:00pm

Vijaya Lakshmi 35mm (L B Nagar)
12:00am, 3:00pm, 7:00pm, 10:00pm

Here is link, thamizharasan! Very Happy

http://www.fullhyderabad.com/movies/theatres_showtimings_hyderabad/telugu

thanks for the link.

From: Anban on Fri Oct 2 16:12:41 2009.

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAABTYLG-of5k_Bu26uWjVNFlzvVK9FdvSp39kRG-KTTAzNzdefz9p-mAgajb9zfE0pyN7_TOSBa6P82nmpViz1iwAm1T1UCtbeJ9rAzTFeZKazeGST_fZccYq.jpg

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAEYwVLV1Y61gDVNdzqRDZpZTirpfHg3vVhWV34KejC6vqziNC2C9dfVvhLoDS_IDYy1RMl-vS1kdR1_gTRg-ZkwAm1T1UNuUfSqG37499dQpAPh-H3vV29Ww.jpg

chu chu.. just 3 theatres-aam.. so desperate to downplay its success.. better luck next time..
From: Anban on Fri Oct 2 16:13:07 2009.

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAPCwg_TZ7-HCLdD2E3mSz4maAx-sVk7wErtNk1eaTeB31rGW6hVSjzaZNM6j24iDwhfrsqKIXY60vOcL66xEVjcAm1T1UFvDtiS9h0pfdOwuKKDOkr2i5mzr.jpg
From: Girish11 on Fri Oct 2 23:27:01 2009.

Sir's interview about Eenadu, talks elaborately about red camera
etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJVcH_sQeVQ
From: Vivasaayi on Fri Oct 2 23:28:52 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

National awards are established in year 1954, birth year of Kamal!!

Official name of National Award is Swarna Kamal!!!

wow!!!!!!!
From: P_R on Fri Oct 2 23:48:34 2009.

Vasoolraja 2
From: Movie Cop on Fri Oct 2 23:54:29 2009.

P_R wrote:

Vasoolraja 2

Idellam remba over, I say!
Kamal rasigar mandrathil irundhu P_R indru mudhal neekham!
From: Girish11 on Sat Oct 3 0:22:02 2009.

Chakri Toleti's interview on Eenadu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lZuF0H9Oo&feature=related

Venkatesh Q & A with audience/Interview on Eenadu

Venkatesh interview part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g47TxvaLJHM&feature=related

Venkatesh interview part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLJEoxW_dzI&feature=related

Venkatesh interview part 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMnTw3Saa9I&feature=related

Venkatesh interview part 4: (last part)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Ev86Dc798&feature=related

Audience reaction:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrQH6OI1CNg&feature=related

UPO audience reaction in theater (see related videos at right too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBGvQqLDJ00&feature=related
From: Girish11 on Sat Oct 3 0:35:52 2009.

Interview about Eenadu at 24x7 channel

Part 1 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si0CYU7HBTE&feature=related

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3_dOloGVVo&feature=related

Interview at cineaata.com

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrWEL2llj0&feature=related

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD6AHiLULS0&feature=related

Part 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYoofsS0oxs&feature=related

part 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqV34YXyelI&feature=related

Ganesh Venkatraman's interview

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jELUrJ_uNDY&feature=related

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46sN0h9R6o&feature=related

Part 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzTRNrDIVsw&feature=related
From: Girish11 on Sat Oct 3 0:43:26 2009.

More Interviews by Sir (Soooooooo many ???)

Sakshi tv part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OeMIBl82HI&feature=related

Sakshi tv part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SML34bicSA&feature=related

Sakshi tv part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX8hAvFuQOA&feature=related
From: Anban on Sat Oct 3 1:36:38 2009.

Movie Cop wrote:

P_R wrote:

Vasoolraja 2

Idellam remba over, I say!
Kamal rasigar mandrathil irundhu P_R indru mudhal neekham!
Prabhu eppo Kamal rasigar mandrathula irunthaaru???
From: P_R on Sat Oct 3 1:58:41 2009.

MC

I am watching it again on Sunday - with my parents who have not seen Wednesday. thodarndhu aadharavu tharuvadhaal marupariseelanai seyya vENdugirEn.

btw neenga Vasoolraja-vai kammiyA madhippidareenga.Nearly all of those who watched VR without watching Munnabhai enjoyed it thoroughly.

For large part I enjoyed Kamal and Mohanlal's performance in this film. But I have a whole bunch of misgivings about the writing/directing particularly given Kamal was actively involved in the making of the film.
From: littlemaster1982 on Sat Oct 3 2:21:11 2009.

P_R wrote:

Nearly all of those who watched VR without watching Munnabhai enjoyed it thoroughly.
From: rajasaranam on Sat Oct 3 5:08:46 2009.

If not posted already, A Rational Socio-Political Reading (Between the lines too!) on Unnai Pol Oruvan.
http://www.vinavu.com/2009/10/01/unnai-pol-oruvan/
From: Anban on Sat Oct 3 5:11:37 2009.

rajasaranam wrote:

If not posted already, A Rational Socio-Political Reading (Between the lines too!) on Unnai Pol Oruvan.
http://www.vinavu.com/2009/10/01/unnai-pol-oruvan/
rajasaranam,

namma VV-la english usage pathi argue pannom.. naan VV-la english usage-a support pannen.. but intha UPO padathula thevai illaama neraya english irukku.. neenga enna solreenga??
From: rajasaranam on Sat Oct 3 5:24:04 2009.

Anban,

Pazhagiduchu! Pazhaga Pazhaga Vishamum Inikkum
From: Anban on Sat Oct 3 6:01:26 2009.

rajasaranam wrote:

Anban,

Pazhagiduchu! Pazhaga Pazhaga Vishamum Inikkum
appadi sonna eppidi.. nejamaale intha padathula enna kaduppethittaanga.. "from now on, my interactions will be only with that man.."

athunaachum parava illai.. orey sentence-la english and tamil kulappi adikkiraanga.. dialogue writer oru madayan..
From: rajasaranam on Sat Oct 3 7:20:34 2009.

நீங்க VV டைம்'லயெ எதிர்ப்பு தெரிவிச்சு இருந்தா இது நடந்திருக்காது இல்ல . மறு-பரிசிலனை செய்து பாருங்கள் இதுவும் மக்களுக்கு பழகின மொழிதான். இரா.முருகன் வாழும் சமூகம் அப்படித்தான் தங்கள் உரையாடலை (தமிங்கலம்) நடத்தி கொன்டு இருக்கு. அவர மடையன்னு சொல்றதுக்கு முன்னாடி நம்மை சுற்றி இருக்கிற சமூகத்த பார்த்தா ஒரே 'யா யா' சமூகம இருக்கின்றத புரிஞ்சிக்கலாம்.

எனக்கு இப்ப படத்தோட முரண்பாடு அது தமிங்கலமா இல்லையான்றது இல்ல, அது முன் வைக்கும் அரசியல் மிக அபாயகரமானது.அது பொது புத்தியா மாறிடும் போது சமூகம் பாசிசமயமாவதை தவிர்க்க முடியாதுன்றது தான் கவலையா இருக்கு. நான் சுட்டியுள்ள அந்த கட்டுரை மிக சிறப்பா படத்தோட அரசியலை அலசுகிறது.அதை முன்வைத்தே நம் விவாதங்கள் தொடர வேண்டும். அதன் முண்னே இந்த தமிங்கல பிரச்சனை எல்லாம் தூசு.
From: Anban on Sat Oct 3 8:08:56 2009.

illai.. nethikki Kamal interview-la sonnaaru.. intha padam vanmuraikku ethiraana padam.. ippadi oru kovam irukkunu kaatura padam.. makkal kovatha mattum thaan eduthukkanum, ithu maathiri vanmuraigalil irangakkoodaathunnu kamal sonnaaru.. makkal thappa purinjuppaangalonnnu kooda bayapattaaru..

VV/ DASA-la anderson/fletcher english-la pesuratha yathaartham thaan.. atha naan kurai sollala.. aanaal UPO-la athu alavukku mela poyiruchu..

Kamal dialogues eluthirunthaa ippidi nadanthurukkaathu..
From: Vivasaayi on Sat Oct 3 10:31:36 2009.

Rajasaranam,

oru doubt...why should a movie which talks against islamic terrorism is reviewed as a movie against muslim people?

Isnt it an indirect insult to the millions of innocent muslims in India?

When people openly talk about hindu extremism of Modi,why not about islamic terrorism?

odane..hindhuthvaanu muthirai kuthiduveengala?
From: NOV on Sat Oct 3 12:15:15 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

P_R wrote:

Nearly all of those who watched VR without watching Munnabhai enjoyed it thoroughly.

one of my favouritest recent film.
From: Roshan on Sat Oct 3 12:19:34 2009.

NOV wrote:

littlemaster1982 wrote:

P_R wrote:

Nearly all of those who watched VR without watching Munnabhai enjoyed it thoroughly.

one of my favouritest recent film.

VR is one of my most favourite KH comedy movies I tried to watch the Hindi version after seeing the thamizh - and i didn't have the patience.. it was kinda "idhayA nallA irukkunnu hubla sonnAnga" feeling.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Oct 3 12:30:08 2009.

iot hav never seen munnabhai. when i saw VRMBBS i felt the remade thenali. just lot of resemblence. and sumtimes ppl never realise that kamal had used the same old scenes from his old film. thats the trick of the man
From: rajasaranam on Sun Oct 4 2:50:53 2009.

Vivasaayi wrote:

oru doubt...why should a movie which talks against islamic terrorism is reviewed as a movie against muslim people?

Well the movie doesn't talk about Islamic Terrorism perse! The very notion that is instilled in everybody's mind that it talks about Islamic terrorism is the victory of these pseudo caretakers of 'common man'.
The reason is because movie clearly over reacts on Islamic terrorism while underplaying on Hindu Terrorism.
It is a movie against Muslim People because it is slowly poisoning the minds of Hindu common men in the society against Islamic terrorism while never allowing him to raise questions on Hindu terrorism which is the root cause of Islamic terrorism in India. It is a movie against Muslim Common man who lives in perpetual threat of being alienated from the society.
The movie demands a participation of muslim common man to raise his voice against Islamic terrorism while a hindu common man need not raise his voice against Hindu Terrorism. Enna Nyayam ithu. Hindu ellam terrorist kedaiyaathu, avan etho paavam vaithu pozhapukku aayutha vyaabaaram thaan pannuvaan. Ennangada cheap stunt ithu?!!
The definition of a Terrorist is same for the mumbai Attackers and the Gujarat rioters. The agenda of instilling terror in common hindu mans mind for a muslim terrorist and instilling terror in common muslim mans mind for hindu terrorist is the same. then why do our films keep talking about 'Islamic terrorism' while keeping mum about Hindu Terrorism which has taken a far larger toll in India beginning from the late 80's.
When Babur Masjid was shattered to pieces Kamal Raised his voice stating that 'The Masjid was his national treasure and those who have done this are Barbarians'. I felt proud for being his fan then. I see a decline in his thought process from then on.

From: Appu s on Sun Oct 4 3:56:51 2009.

Roshan wrote:

littlemaster1982 wrote:

Nearly all of those who watched VR without watching Munnabhai enjoyed it thoroughly.

one of my favouritest recent film. Razz

VR is one of my most favourite KH comedy movies Smile

I tried to watch the Hindi version after seeing the thamizh - and i didn't have the patience.. it was kinda "idhayA nallA irukkunnu hubla sonnAnga" feeling.

you gotta be kidding .....

From: ajaybaskar on Sun Oct 4 5:38:45 2009.

Roshan, Only thing that made PR superior over Munnabhai is KH. Sanjay Dutt was not bad either. But I enjoyed watching KH. Otherwise, the hindi version is way ahead.
From: Roshan on Sun Oct 4 6:03:51 2009.

ajaybaskar wrote:

Roshan, Only thing that made PR superior over Munnabhai is KH. Sanjay Dutt was not bad either. But I enjoyed watching KH. Otherwise, the hindi version is way ahead.

May be but I could not watch it for more than half an hour. Sanjay Dutt and his dope eyes have never appealed me. yaar enna sonnAlum I would rate VR as one of KHs best comedies. So Hindi version eppadi irunthaalum - it's not a problem - at least for me.
From: ajaybaskar on Sun Oct 4 6:14:21 2009.

Even i dont like Sanjay Dutt. But after watching MB 1 & 2, my opinions have changed. If u have not watched the sequel, i would recommend u to watch it.
From: P_R on Sun Oct 4 7:36:21 2009.

I too resisted watching the movie for a long time simply because I don't like him much. But I have to say Sanjay Dutt was made for that role.

And every single scene IMO was botched up in Tamil. Jokes slowed down, jokes dwelling beyond punchline, bad (scatological) jokes inserted, many quick and subtle things messed etc.

(Though it is lost in my translation, let me try and give an example to make clear what I am saying)
MunnA-Circuit drinking the night he resolves to become a doctor

MunnA: rE circuit hum ko doctor bannA hai rE (hey circuit, I have to become a doctor man)
Circuit: (Eh ! expression and then)..haan..ban jaayEngannA bhai...shubhe mein baat kaarEnga ( Oh no problem brother...we'll talk in the morning)
MunnA: (sudden emphatic tone) hami ko pathA thu eisAyich bOlEga ("Enakku theriyum dA nee idhE vaarthai dhaan solluvEnnu)
MunnA: bhai abhi tight hain...shubhE mein tIk ho jaayEgA (aNNan ippo 'tight', kaalaila sari aayiduvaan)

That "eisAyich" has me laughing even as I type. It was such a 'perfect' line for that episode, for the two characters that made it funny.

That scene and lines were messed in Tamil. Baggage punchline like "oru hero sonnA senju kaataNum, adhaan hero". 'hayyO !' -nu irundhuchhu.

It seemed to me to indicate that they had missed what it is that was funny in the original. With Kamal on board that was surprising.
I felt quite glad when Kamal distanced himself from it by saying he worked 'only as an actor' in that film, and it did not have his creative input'.

I have rather similar opinions about the 'missing the point' /dwelling beyond the punch-line/ missing timing in UPO too. And this time Kamal seems to think very highly about the translation.

Plus the addition/changes were uninteresting. The Mohanlal-Lakshmi sparring was insipid.

Mohanlal's 'acting' was extremely impressive. Namma Vicky oru thadavai post paNNA maadhiri: anga oru camera vachirukkaanga 'ngradhai paththi oru awareness kooda theriyAdha performer.

Anyway, leaving in 20 mins to watch it again...

From: irir123 on Sun Oct 4 8:29:40 2009.

rajasaranam wrote:

Vivasaayi wrote:

oru doubt...why should a movie which talks against islamic terrorism is reviewed as a movie against muslim people?

Well the movie doesn't talk about Islamic Terrorism perse! The very notion that is instilled in everybody's mind that it talks about Islamic terrorism is the victory of these pseudo caretakers of 'common man'.
The reason is because movie clearly over reacts on Islamic terrorism while underplaying on Hindu Terrorism.
It is a movie against Muslim People because it is slowly poisoning the minds of Hindu common men in the society against Islamic terrorism while never allowing him to raise questions on Hindu terrorism which is the root cause of Islamic terrorism in India. It is a movie against Muslim Common man who lives in perpetual threat of being alienated from the society.
The movie demands a participation of muslim common man to raise his voice against Islamic terrorism while a hindu common man need not raise his voice against Hindu Terrorism. Enna Nyayam ithu. Hindu ellam terrorist kedaiyaathu, avan etho paavam vaithu pozhapukku aayutha vyaabaaram thaan pannuvaan. Ennangada cheap stunt ithu?!!
The definition of a Terrorist is same for the mumbai Attackers and the Gujarat rioters. The agenda of instilling terror in common hindu mans mind for a muslim terrorist and instilling terror in common muslim mans mind for hindu terrorist is the same. then why do our films keep talking about 'Islamic terrorism' while keeping mum about Hindu Terrorism which has taken a far larger toll in India beginning from the late 80's.
When Babur Masjid was shattered to pieces Kamal Raised his voice stating that 'The Masjid was his national treasure and those who have done this are Barbarians'. I felt proud for being his fan then. I see a decline in his thought process from then on.

time and again, Kamal has pointed out the rise of Hindu fundamentalism in his films - the best example is HEY RAM, where he subtly equated Hindu extremism to nazi-fascism (the swastika references were too obvious) - in fact, i always had this strange feeling that Kamal took more than ample liberty in showing the neutral side of Islamic fundamentalism while highlighting Hindu extremism in most of his films!

From: Roshan on Sun Oct 4 10:00:43 2009.

In Vijay TV program with his fans he very frankly said that "A Wednesday" was slightly towards Hindutva and he wanted to change that in the remake. Common man thAdiyOda vanthathukkum adhuthAn kaaranamnu sonnaar. "thaadi pOnRa adaiyaalangaLai vaithu oru samoogathai generalise paNRathai niRuthanum" appadinnu sonnAr.
From: Plum on Sun Oct 4 10:11:45 2009.

PR, exactly. Remove the dutts and their real life equation, and munnabhai stops appealing to me.making it without the dutts woul have been a disaster. Btw, I don't think that movie had aspirations to be a 'comedy'. And it is precisely the higher ambition that derailed the movie for me.when the allakkai comes running "doctor doctor" after jr dutt has been exposed, one could see how dutt sr would have felt after the bomb blast arrests of junior. Without that, the movie is a big zero. If it had been anyone else than sunjay, senior couldn't have brought those emotions and vice versa.

This is why nagesh-kamal seemed fake becuase kamal it was manufactured. As PR observed, the comedy was below par too.

Though I don't rate munnabhai high, vr would be still a notch beneath.

From: Dilbert on Sun Oct 4 10:16:32 2009.

Vivasaayi wrote:

Rajasaranam,

oru doubt...why should a movie which talks against islamic terrorism is reviewed as a movie against muslim people?

Isnt it an indirect insult to the millions of innocent muslims in India?

When people openly talk about hindu extremism of Modi,why not about islamic terrorism?

odane..hindhuthvaanu muthirai kuthiduveengala?

I strongly object "Anyone terming Modi as an Hindu Extermist"

Cut it out ! Pl restrain yourself bro , Lets not talk about this here.. it will go in to different direction. Half of your guys don't even understand who controls the Media in India and what they want you to believe in. Please...

From: Girish11 on Sun Oct 4 10:55:26 2009.

PR, exactly. Remove the dutts and their real life equation, and munnabhai stops appealing to me.making it without the dutts woul have been a disaster. Btw, I don't think that movie had aspirations to be a 'comedy'. And it is precisely the higher ambition that derailed the movie for me.when the allakkai comes running "doctor doctor" after jr dutt has been exposed, one could see how dutt sr would have felt after the bomb blast arrests of junior. Without that, the movie is a big zero. If it had been anyone else than sunjay, senior couldn't have brought those emotions and vice versa.

This is why nagesh-kamal seemed fake becuase kamal it was manufactured. As PR observed, the comedy was below par too.

Though I don't rate munnabhai high, vr would be still a notch beneath.

I share opinions of Ajay baskar and PR here. I am not a fan of
Sanjay Dutt but enjoyed MBMBBS. A couple of main elements
what made MBMBBS thoroughly enjoyable that were missing in the
Tamil version were the chemistry between Dutt and Arshad Warsi
and performance of Bomman Irani and Gracy Singh to some
extent. All these elements were missing in Tamil version.

Prakash Raj did not put enough efforts IMO, he could have done
a better job, that role would have fit Jayaram like glove but
it would have looked like a repeat performance of Thenali
IMO if Jayaram had done Prabhu's role in Tamil it would have
been much better and they should have done it just same
as Hindi version with minimum changes. For me Sr.Dutt and Jr.Dutt
combo was not that great a factor compared to other elements
which I mentioned.

I have seen MB just once long long ago, recently saw VRMBBS second time
hoping I would enjoy it since I was watching it after a long gap
but did not happen

From: Cinefan on Mon Oct 5 6:52:37 2009.

[tscii]
rajasaranam,
The fact remains that terrorism is linked to the LeT,Al quaida,paki sponsored terrorism in kashmir in the name of 'jihad' etc etc etc(all of the islamic kind).

It's a shame if some one tells anti-LET,jihad,kasab etc is automatically anti-muslim.

What hindu terrorism are you talking of?Don't mention Modi in Gujarat because it has nothing to do with terrorism and this thread is def not the place to talk about that.

In fact UPO is toned down,'A wednesday'was more in the face about this.

P_R,
.

Keen to know what makes you say UPO is VR 2?I certainly did not feel like that.Taking into consideration pros and cons,UPO is a worthy remake of 'A wednesday'.

VR on the other hand was not a patch on the original incl acting.

BTW,Baradwaj Rangan's take on the film:

FROM VERSE TO WORDS

“Unnaippol Oruvan” plays down the poetry of “A Wednesday,” but its muscular prose is effective in its own way.

OCT 4, 2009 – THERE’S A THROWAWAY SENSE OF inconsequence about the title A Wednesday. All it denotes is a day of the week, a day in the middle of the workweek, a day like any other – and the film develops its power from how this day, ever so gradually, turns out unlike any other. This Wednesday, at first, is as anonymous, as common, as the character played by Naseeruddin Shah, and as his true colours are revealed, as his uncommonness is unmasked, this unremarkable Wednesday too begins to assume uncommon proportions. The Tamil version, on the other hand, has little use for such quotidian poetry. Its title is all muscular prose – Unnaippol Oruvan, someone like you! There’s nothing throwaway about this title, which is calculated to grab the audience by the collar and shake it out of its apathy (towards meaningful regional cinema, one could argue, as much as the issues of terrorism tackled in the film).

Another aspect of the two films lends itself to a similar poetry-prose consideration, and that’s the revelation, towards the end, that gives the audience a sliver of insight into the motivations of the protagonist. We’ve already been informed, by this point, about the reasons for this man’s actions, but there’s still something missing. As much as larger political and social concerns are valid (and valuable) from a moviegoing standpoint, the audience still seeks a primal personal connection – the lit fuse, so to speak, that causes the smouldering pile of faraway issues to explode inches away from our face. When Naseeruddin Shah speaks of this personal connection, it’s a delicate abstraction, a gossamer-light flashback about a young man in a train who was about to get married and whose dreams (and, indeed, life) went up in flames due to the actions of terrorists.

In the Tamil version, this scene transforms into an actor’s showcase in tight close-up. The narration is no longer about an anonymous man in an anonymous train – it’s now about a pregnant woman who was stripped and whose womb was violated in full view of an uncaring public. There’s nothing poetic about this stretch except, possibly, the remarkable control that Kamal Hassan brings to this scene as an actor. The incident is intended to descend on your head like a sledgehammer wielded by a champion muscleman – and that it certainly does. You wince as you’re meant to. Where, in the Hindi version, the ghastliness was glazed with poetry, the Tamil scene-equivalent taunts our sensitivity with the naked brutality of a newspaper headline. It’s all prose, burly prose.

When a film is remade, there is the inevitable sense of déjà vu that clouds the remake – but even if the larger intent of the story and the scenarios remains intact (and therefore predictable), there are smaller decisions that are fascinating to parse. What interested me most in the translation of A Wednesday to Unnaippol Oruvan was this transformation of subtle poetry to sensationalistic prose, and because a film critic wouldn’t be a film critic if he didn’t overreach for meaning, I was also intrigued by how this transformation informs the definition of multiplex cinema – and by extension, the multiplex audience – in the context of films made in Hindi versus Tamil (and other regional languages).

A Wednesday is the kind of movie made for the Hindi multiplex audience, which is a very small subset of the audience that watches Hindi movies in general. (The fact that a film is viewed in a multiplex doesn’t automatically mean it’s a “multiplex film.”) As the recent mega-success of Wanted has proved – and that’s as far away from a “multiplex film” as you can possibly get – audiences all over the country delight in action-comedy, or to put it slightly differently, the promise of “entertainment.” So it’s ridiculous to think of all viewers of Hindi cinema as sophisticated lovers of poetry – it’s really just small pockets of adventurous movie-watchers (Hindi-speaking and otherwise) across the metros. (And this is true the world over. Even in America, say, it’s the big, noisy action blockbuster or the date-friendly romantic comedy – in other words, the fuss-free “entertainer” – that plays equally well from coast to coast. Something like There Will Be Blood will always be of interest only to a niche audience.)

After all, it’s not as if a film like Mithya – another instance of poetry on screen – commandeered “House Full” signs across Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. It just made a bit of noise in cities like Bombay and Delhi and Bangalore. So whenever I’m asked why the poetry of Mithya cannot be replicated in Tamil, I venture that it’s primarily a matter of economics. The real reason a film like A Wednesday is successful – both financially, and (more importantly) in terms of being crafted with a vision that’s not simply “entertainment” oriented – is because these pockets of metro-audiences do not mind paying multiplex ticket prices for an engagingly offbeat movie. The disproportionate price of tickets (as compared to the single screens) makes these movies viable, and as, in Tamil Nadu, there is still some sort of government-imposed price-control in the theatres (even the multiplexes), the system does not allow an alternate film culture to flourish.

Given these realities, it’s all the more reason to celebrate something like Unnaippol Oruvan, which is an urban-multiplex movie in the truest sense – without a whiff of the lumpen that characterises the typical offbeat Tamil film (and makes it more palatable to audiences across the state). When we think of movies that broke the mould in recent Tamil cinema, we think of Subramaniyapuram or Vennila Kabaddi Kuzhu or Naan Kadavul or Pasanga, all strong films but still dependent on a combination of various formulaic elements to reach out to broad sections of the audience. Unnaippol Oruvan, on the other hand, has proved that it is possible to make an offbeat film that’s niche in its concerns and yet universal in its implications and acceptance (going by early box-office reports).

But would the film have been just as successful had it not left behind the poetry of the original and crossed over into the realm of hard-hitting prose? I don’t know. Perhaps, with the story being a tough sell, it made sense to be more direct, more in-your-face, so as to play better with audiences across the state (as opposed to a “sophisticated” audience in a handful of Chennai multiplexes; after all, if the numbers of poetry lovers are limited across the length and breadth of the country, what sense does it make to chase them across the length and breadth of a state?). Of course, I’m just speculating. After all, we have had gentle poets like Mahendran and Balu Mahendra, who, at one point, made extremely successful films while hewing to their subtle sensibilities. But perhaps that audience doesn’t exist anymore – and, really, when the prose proves as effectual as poetry, why complain?
From: P_R on Mon Oct 5 7:41:13 2009.

Cinefan, Munnabhai was a good film. Vasoolraja made me feel Munnabhai was a very good film. Kinda similar here. I was in cringe mode.

UPO is surely better than the average film made in tamil. No questions about that at all. But I am just wondering 'for whom' the movie was de-subtled for. With the preponderance of English dialogues (which I did not find out of place - except Kamal's accent in many places, more about that below), it may be fair to assume that the target audience for the film is someone who is conversant with English in everyday conversation and thus (elitism alert) more likely absorb subtleties. So if they dilute that then it seems to say the average English-conversant Hindian can appreciate chicness much better than the average English-conversant-Tamil. Hence my perpetual cringing. Electric Baba versus Bussu-Mussu comedy.

The politics of the original - and thus of UPO - can be ignored. Nothing interesting. It is a vigilante Shankar film, with a nice twist, made well.

When speaking English sentences he starts sounding very 'different' from when speaking English words in a Tamil sentence ! "Whorl wuah two aerpOrht"

Abdulla - is not even a name. I mean, thirudargal pEru 'ramu,somu' appidinnu solra maadhiri idhu. The characterizations were messed.
If Santhanabarathi was created for balance, one can safely say he did more damage than goo to the balance-cause

The taunting of Jimmy Shergill and him silencing with release of safety catch, is one example of a moment whose timing and thus effect were botched up. idhellAm 'thamizh-la purinjirukkaadhu' appidinnu solla mudiyaadhu. I felt this about nearly every part of the film.

"naan anga irundhirundhaa" by Ganes was funny.The following "Modhi paarthaalE saavu dhaan" reminded me of the dappuL meaning line in VirumaaNdi.

In the scene where Arif hits a policeman, "uniform pOttukittu thappu paNNuviyA" appidingra range-la yEdhO sollikittu Arif adippAple

Deepal Shaw speaks a Hindi on-screen and changes off-screen. Ample scope to pull aparallel here. Just a showy cigarette instead.

Why a revolver ???? If wiping tears had happened incidentally then it would have been fine. The revolver existed for the express purpose of wiping tear (and no that scene was not a patch on thenaali, where Kamal is convincing).

The Mohanlal-Lakshmi sparring didn't click for me. It started well (neenga ninnA andha map-ai ennAla paakka mudiyalai ) but never went anywhere. And it ended on a funny note. Enna nadandhuruchunnu "NOW I respect you" 'ndraanga. Just put there to see how they could use the "Mutual Ma'am"s twice in a row for effect. Didn't work for me.

If I have to point to one thing that seemed indicative of the problems in the films. It was the missing timing in the performances. The very first conversation between Sethu and his wife. You could see that, the coversation is good on paper. It did not come off naturally on screen. I will invoke Mani-Ramani and blame the director

It is indeed one of the better films this year. Kamal was pretty good. And Mohanlal was very impressive. I haven't seen much of him and I am told by many who follow his works that this is a 'lesser work' of his. adappAvi !

My problems are only about the 'dumbing down'.
From: Cinefan on Mon Oct 5 8:20:50 2009.

P_R,
Agree with you on most of it-the tone of the wife in the conversation was un-natural,the bussu-mussu did not click for me neither did the monologue by Kamal at the end,the Lal-Lakshmi sparring looked childish,santanabharati was a comedy while the other terrorists were not a patch on the original,Ganesh was nowhere near Jimmy,the conversations between the other policeman and his wife looked very artificial plus the bloopers like one of the guys involved in the Kovai blast saying he was avenging the best bakery killings but but but,

I was not in cringe mode.There is/was something in the movie which worked for me,maybe Lal,maybe Kamal's different take on the character,maybe some of the lines,maybe the overall feel.

I strongly object comparing this to the VR MBBS Vs Munnabhai scenario.
From: P_R on Mon Oct 5 8:45:05 2009.

Cinefan wrote:

plus the bloopers like one of the guys involved in the Kovai blast saying he was avenging the best bakery killings

I don't think he says that.
Kamal-Era.Murugan won't miss such glaring anachrnosims.

Abdullah never says Coimbatore was a retribution for Best Bakery. His grouse is shown to be wider. The decline from grace over 300 years, Muslims having to hide their identities in public, his hatred for those like Arif who are Muslims only by name etc. are mentioned. It was a macabre - and screenwritingwise convenient - coincidence that his wife was killed in Best Bakery.

btw, as far as 'Hindutva' goes, there were no problem in Wednesday but UPO had many 'ouch' moments:

biwikku 16 vayasu (even there he pauses to note: 3 pErulayum azhagaanava), avaLukku 9 maasa kuzhandhai. Now this is what may be justifiably accused of to reinforcing the 'repulsive Muslim male' portrait that the Hindu rightwing likes to paint.
From: marma_yogi on Mon Oct 5 9:47:37 2009.

thanks from thalaivar for UPO success

http://videos.sify.com/watch/Thanks_from_Kamal-jkflajhjfbc.html

From: app_engine on Mon Oct 5 10:08:02 2009.

B_R wrote:

Of course, I’m just speculating. After all, we have had gentle poets like Mahendran and Balu Mahendra, who, at one point, made extremely successful films while hewing to their subtle sensibilities. But perhaps that audience doesn’t exist anymore

From: Plum on Mon Oct 5 11:13:10 2009.

Heard the songs finally. oNyum solradhukkilla - indha weld musickum namakkum othu pOgadhuppA
From: equanimus on Mon Oct 5 11:43:31 2009.

Plum wrote:

Heard the songs finally. oNyum solradhukkilla - indha weld musickum namakkum othu pOgadhuppA

nAn innum kEkkavE illaiyE... Any recommendations?
From: P_R on Mon Oct 5 12:50:28 2009.

Heard the song Shruti and Blaaze sing (they show that song before the film). It was quite good. neenga kaalathaal azhiyaadha kaaviyangaL edhirpaakkureengaLA ?
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Oct 5 13:48:50 2009.

கலைஞரில் கமல்...

சில தினங்களுக்கு முன் கலைஞர் டி.வியில் கமல்ஹாசனின் நேரடி பேட்டி இடம்பெற்றது. அவரிடம் பேச வேண்டும் என்று பொதுமக்கள் ஆவலோடு காத்திருக்க, எவ்வித முன்னறிவிப்பும் இன்றி அலுவலக முக்கியஸ்தர்களின் செல்போன்கள் வழியாக வர ஆரம்பித்துவிட்டார்கள் திரையுல விஐபிகள். நடிகை சந்தியாவில் ஆரம்பித்து, கன்னட நடிகர் ரமேஷ் அரவிந்த் வரை ஏராளமான போன் கால்கள்.

அவர்களுக்கெல்லாம் பதில் சொல்லி சொல்லி மாய்ந்து போனார் கமல். பொதுமக்களிடம் பேசினால் திரையுலகத்திற்கு வெளியேயும் இருக்கிற தனது பரந்து பட்ட அறிவுக்கு தீனியாக இருக்கும் என்று நினைத்த கமலுக்கு அதற்கு வழிவிடாமல் செய்த நட்சத்திரங்கள் மீது கொஞ்சம் வருத்தம்தானாம்.

http://thenaali.com/thenaali.aspx?N=3233
From: Anban on Mon Oct 5 13:53:11 2009.

P_R wrote:

Heard the song Shruti and Blaaze sing (they show that song before the film). It was quite good. neenga kaalathaal azhiyaadha kaaviyangaL edhirpaakkureengaLA ?
antha paaatu good.. movie cringe worthy double standards ..
From: groucho070 on Mon Oct 5 21:53:07 2009.

NOV wrote:

littlemaster1982 wrote:

P_R wrote:

Nearly all of those who watched VR without watching Munnabhai enjoyed it thoroughly.

one of my favouritest recent film.
Another one of those rare moments when we agree

From: rajasaranam on Tue Oct 6 0:50:25 2009.

[tscii]
rajasaranam,
The fact remains that terrorism is linked to the LeT,Al quaida,paki sponsored terrorism in kashmir in the name of 'jihad' etc etc etc(all of the islamic kind).

It's a shame if some one tells anti-LET,jihad,kasab etc is automatically anti-muslim.

What hindu terrorism are you talking of?Don't mention Modi in Gujarat because it has nothing to do with terrorism and this thread is def not the place to talk about that.

In fact UPO is toned down,'A wednesday'was more in the face about this.

A typical Hindu 'Common Mans' Fanatical Backlash.

From: rajasaranam on Tue Oct 6 1:24:49 2009.

The politics of the original - and thus of UPO - can be ignored. Nothing interesting. It is a vigilante Shankar film, with a nice twist, made well.

I Thought it to be a cheap version of Arjun/Vijaykanth Flick where they gun down Muslim Deebiravaathees from baakisthaan.

btw, as far as 'Hindutva' goes, there were no problem in Wednesday but UPO had many 'ouch' moments:

biwikku 16 vayasu (even there he pauses to note: 3 pErulayum azhagaanava), avaLukku 9 maasa kuzhandhai. Now this is what may be justifiably accused of to reinforcing the 'repulsive Muslim male' portrait that the Hindu rightwing likes to paint.

This and more are the reasons I found 'A Wednesday' rightfully a Mumbai 'common mans' anguish while UPO serves as a Hindu Common Mans View on Terrorism. The movie A Wednesday served its purpose of creating an aversion towards terrorism for all common public, be it Hindu/Muslim. (Whether terrorism should be delt like this is another question which is beyond scope of this line of Discussion). UPO Screams aloud for attention of their Hindu brethren for a 'Dharma Samsthapanarthaya Sambhavami Yuge Yuge.'

From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 1:53:10 2009.

Heard the song Shruti and Blaaze sing (they show that song before the film). It was quite good. neenga kaalathaal azhiyaadha kaaviyangaL edhirpaakkureengaLA ?

antha paaatu good.. movie cringe worthy Banging Head

double standards ..

The song did not have an original version to compare to and cringe

As I said, the movie is indeed better than the regular stock of films we get. It is in comparison with Wednesday that it is found wanting. I have tried to be pretty elaborate in trying to say what specifically which are the points in the film where it was not good.

Perhaps you feel they are all minutiae and do not diminish the overall picture.

From: 19thmay on Tue Oct 6 2:00:12 2009.

[tscii]
What hindu terrorism are you talking of?Don't mention Modi in Gujarat because it has nothing to do with terrorism and this thread is def not the place to talk about that.

Gundu vacha thaan theeviravaadhiya or vaadhama?! Anyways...

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 2:06:57 2009.

[tscii]
What hindu terrorism are you talking of?Don't mention Modi in Gujarat because it has nothing to do with terrorism and this thread is def not the place to talk about that.

Gundu vacha thaan theeviravaadhiya or vaadhama?! Anyways...

sridhar - do u accept communist and congress are also terrorists?? Nandigram and Sikh riots respectively.....

From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 2:08:26 2009.

RS, I do not agree with you. I only feel the characterization of the 'terrorists' was shallow.
And the conversation between them and Arif was naive. But that can be said of the writing about any of any identity
"not only kerala this is also my naadu"

In someplaces it reinforces existing stereotypes. But apart from that the film cannot be indicted for much.

From: 19thmay on Tue Oct 6 2:22:01 2009.

[tscii]
What hindu terrorism are you talking of?Don't mention Modi in Gujarat because it has nothing to do with terrorism and this thread is def not the place to talk about that.

Gundu vacha thaan theeviravaadhiya or vaadhama?! Anyways...

sridhar - do u accept communist and congress are also terrorists?? Nandigram and Sikh riots respectively.....

Terrorism or terrorist uruvaguradhuku root cause-a irrukura ellame equally terrorism thaan. Why September 11?

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 2:30:43 2009.

19thmay wrote:

Terrorism or terrorist uruvaguradhuku root cause-a irrukura ellame equally terrorism thaan. Why September 11?

ok ok, i just asked

From: Cinefan on Tue Oct 6 3:58:49 2009.

rajasaranam wrote:

P_R,
I would say that you have been more micro on the film.I would excuse such things and go more for the overall feel.

RS,
Disagree that 'A wednesday' was against terrorism as a whole while UPO is a fanatical hindu view point.

Typecasting,rhetoric was a part of the original also,maybe not in specific lines but in the way the entire movie was executed.

To say that the hindi version was a common mumbaikar's anguish while Kamal's is that of a fanatic for me is laughable.

Anyway,stopping this discussion on these lines now from my side.

A typical Hindu 'Common Mans' Fanatical Backlash. Very Happy

So be it

From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 4:00:58 2009.

And I find the absolution of wednesday very convenient. Clearly. That movie had all muslim terrorists, and the cliched righteous cop silencing the terrorists with a click of the gun. I thought it clearly implied that the only reaction a muslim should have is of arif's. The terrorists viewpoint of retaliation with counter attacks is summarily rejected. I can't speak of upo but from what I read, it seems like kamal tried to present a balanced view. Irrespective of that, the fact that that article absolves wednesday of any, even accidentl, rightist message, tells me that the intention was to cook kamal's goose.
Imo, both kamal and pandey were seeking to exploit the politics for the sake of art - and I certainly buy that school of thought - and don't have any real or hidden messages to give.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Oct 6 4:22:29 2009.

rajasaranam wrote:

The politics of the original - and thus of UPO - can be ignored. Nothing interesting. It is a vigilante Shankar film, with a nice twist, made well.

I Thought it to be a cheap version of Arjun/Vijaykanth Flick where they gun down Muslim Deebiravaathees from baakisthaan.

3 biwi & last on is 16 age - a hit on a specific community? dunno, but i like to know, do a separate set of civil laws still exist of Islam? and one more thing s kamal always hits about population rise, right from 'Vikram' days. why is say this here is, the balram naidu's questions towards nagesh, in dasa, "athi unga pillaya" also seemed like a hit on population rise. also, many wives, which is legal according to the civil law which their community possess, will also indirectly halp boos population.

Sambhavami Yuge Yuge == Allaa Jaanee

From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 4:23:19 2009.

Cinefan wrote:

P_R, I would say that you have been more micro on the film.I would excuse such things and go more for the overall feel.
It was Kamal who pampered us with details. I wouldn't bother elsewhere.

Plum wrote:

That movie had all muslim terrorists,

I don't think that is anything to be hypersensitive about. The movie was all about someone retaliating to bombings of Islamic extremist outfits. For obvious reasons, Islamic terrorism is indeed the one occuppying the public consciousness the most and that is what the 'common man' is shown to react to. Didn't feel out of place.

Now we can always argue that the 'common man' has his priorities wrong. That he should be concerned about ushering in a revolution that prevents people's lives from being so vulnerable that a sluice opening the floodgates could spell death. That may not be an interesting movie. That is all is there to it.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Oct 6 4:31:02 2009.

i dunno if someone said that UPO is towards hinduthuva or Modi

to put it simple, the writer is NOT praising MOdi when abdulla says "mothi paaru, sethuduve" for that moment, the writer is using abdulla as a common man, for a while, and whatever abdulla said about modi is correct and the author DO hit against modi's arrocracies.

entha Lal krishnanum, rama krishnanum uthavikku varalai - again a hit on hinduthuva.

spoonfeed??
From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 4:33:44 2009.

Yeah, pr, I said the same - that any message or agenda in wednesday is accidental.

I think one of the arguments was having a hindu terrorist balanced out and therefore was dumbing down. Now, people say that is anti-muslim agenda. I find that a little...overreactive.

But if you accuse upo of rightist agenda, you have to apply the same logic to wednesday. Sari apdi pannalainaa kooda paravaillai. Wednesdaykku clean chit kuduthuttu kamalku mattum agendanu solradhu...

Kamal's birth namakku theriyum so easy to assume baggge in his mind. Pandey is a typical name that is likely to vote bjp(genralising dhaan but vedhandaavaadham pannanumna ipdiyum sollalaam) and it is not unlikely that a person of that background blindly hates muslims. Apdi oru prism vechukittu paarthA, we can find twice as many rightist agenda in wednesday than in upo(ok naan upo parkalai but remember I am trying to view through a prism).

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 4:46:22 2009.

Pandey is a typical name that is likely to vote bjp(genralising dhaan but vedhandaavaadham pannanumna ipdiyum sollalaam) and it is not unlikely that a person of that background blindly hates muslims.

kashinath Pandey, Pt. Tarkeshwar Pandey, Vishwa Nath Pandey, Narsingh Narain Pandey, Damodar Pandey are some of the candidates fielded by congress in their elections in last 60 yrs

Plum, request is not to trivialise P_R's points with lastname, caste based generalisations.......

From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 5:01:27 2009.

Maddy, that is so not what I meant. You can recheck the post.

From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 5:02:05 2009.

I think one of the arguments was having a hindu terrorist balanced out and therefore was dumbing down. Now, people say that is anti-muslim agenda. I find that a little...overreactive.

But if you accuse upo of rightist agenda, you have to apply the same logic to wednesday. Sari apdi pannalainaa kooda paravaillai. Wednesdaykku clean chit kuduthuttu kamalku mattum agendanu solradhu... Smile

Yeah. Kamal is the last person one can accuse of a rightist agenda. He goes out of the way to be leftist.

Hindu terrorist 'unnecessary' for this movie. Sari, adhaiyAvadhu ozhunga paNNi irukkalaam. Comic relief-ku use paNNi, "mujE kuch faqr nahi" appidinnu ellAm solla vachi, "summAvA kudtha sambAdhichella" maadhiri

lines ellAm ezhudi... sodhappal.

Anyway, I don't think the politics of the movie is something to be discussed much either way. We are better off talking about the performances.

From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 5:10:08 2009.

Adhai thaan naanum solraen...
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 5:13:41 2009.

Plum wrote:

Adhai thaan naanum solraen...

naan Kamal-lu agenda uNdu 'ngrEn. aanaa opposite direction-la. adhu ippidi misfire aayi indha pakkathulErndhu criticism vandhadhu dhaan comedy
From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 5:19:56 2009.

P_R, do u mean Kamal has agenda because of his lastname or something similar?

From: Cinefan on Tue Oct 6 5:20:11 2009.

Adhai thaan naanum solraen...

naan Kamal-lu agenda uNdu 'ngrEn. aanaa opposite direction-la. adhu ippidi misfire aayi indha pakkathulErndhu criticism vandhadhu dhaan comedy LOL

Agree.Athu misfire aacha illaya,????

Actually fact is he goes out of his way to say he is a leftist intellectual with a balanced outlook ,of course with a soft corner for the minority + appoppo majority bashing(of the religious kind) but he is always branded rightist,funny.

From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 5:30:14 2009.

My feeling is he might have got torn between his natural agenda and the movie's flow(which needs a kind of leading up to a certain feeling of a rightist agenda - we are supposed to be seething at the terrorist leader sitting in a terrace and demanding the release of fellow terrorists - we are supposed to feel "indha mus terroristsa nikka vechu sudanum...and then the final denoument. Even there, a hindutva militant is only likely to interpret that as an endorsemenrt of muslim hate, and muslimna arif maadhiriyo common man maadhiriyo irukkanum.
Without strong buildup of rightist agenda in the first half, the punch will be ineffective.

Kalai aarvathukkum, konda kolgaikkum nadula ivar sikki dalda pannittarunnu nenaikkaren.

That aside, kamal roomla periyar photo mattum irukkumnu modhalla sonnanga. Sivaji silai thirappul, en roomla gandhijiyum sivaji photovum dhaan irukkunnu solraar. I think more than anything else he is liberal even beyond his heroes.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Oct 6 5:34:00 2009.

UPO has 3 muslim terrorist, one hindu lala

makkal says - "kamal is trying to portray that hindus only supply wepons and dont involve in terrorisms

suppose 2 muslim and 2 hindu terrorist - kamal trying to portray that hindu terrorists are equally big and dangerous to islam

suppose 1 muslim and 3 hindu, or even if all for are muslims, still there ALWAYS will be some person to blame kamal. blogger vinavu is one such worst kind
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Oct 6 5:36:05 2009.

MADDY wrote:

P_R, do u mean Kamal has agenda because of his lastname or something similar?
intha hub ai vittu odiye podalamaannu thonuthu ( pogamaatten, don't worry my fans )
From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 5:40:09 2009.

opposing muslim terrorists = rightist agenda? how, someone please explain.......

illa sakala, Neeraj Pandey-oda lastname ellam izhuthaanga, adhaan ketten
From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 5:43:45 2009.

Maddy, onnu clear-a purinjikkunga - I am not saying pandey has a rightist agenda. Vedhandaavadhamaa vinavu pesara maadhiri wednesdayva aarainja epdiellaam interpret pannalaamnu sonnen.

Prabhu ram, konjam help pannunga. Naan ezhudhardha makkal purinjikka mudiyala(btw, purinjikkara maadhiri ezhudhadhadhu en thappu dhaangaradhayun thewlivaa sollidaren )
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 5:46:14 2009.

Maddy, Plum-Oda post was about how it is potentially possible for ppl who were keen to stereotype to generalize based on surnames like Pandey. 'inge Kamal-ai identity-ai vachchu ippidi anticipate paNnanumnA angey eppidi anticipare paNNA vaaippu uNdu' was the drift of his post.

Avar generalization-ai encourage ellAm paNNalai. amaidhi amaidhi
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 5:50:07 2009.

Plum wrote:

Prabhu ram, konjam help pannunga. Naan ezhudhardha makkal purinjikka mudiyala(btw, purinjikkara maadhiri ezhudhadhadhu en thappu dhaangaradhayun thewlivaa sollidaren )

neenga rikoast paNradhukku munnAdiyE naan vyAkyAnam ezhudhittEn
From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 5:50:13 2009.

Plum wrote:

Prabhu ram, konjam help pannunga. Naan ezhudhardha makkal purinjikka mudiyala(btw, purinjikkara maadhiri ezhudhadhadhu en thappu dhaangaradhayun thewlivaa sollidaren )

neenga enna periya thirukkural-a ezhudhureenga, puriyama poradhukku ......as far as i know nobody pulled kamal's background here to diss UPO's politics, so there was no need for u to pull Neeraj's when u try to diss Wednesday's politics.......thats y i asked y unneccessarily bring in caste, BJP, muslim hatred etc??
From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 5:52:25 2009.

Maddy, naan thirukkural ezhudhareno illaiyo, neenga mattum naan sonnadhai purinjikkalai
Parava illa - ungalukkum nashtam illa, enakkum nashtam illa
From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 5:53:20 2009.

P_R wrote:

'inge Kamal-ai identity-ai vachchu ippidi anticipate paNnanumnA angey eppidi anticipare paNNA vaaippu uNdu' was the drift of his post

enga?? yaaru? who pulled kamal's background in HUB here - pls show...
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 5:58:14 2009.

inge - thamizh koorum nallulagu
And that that is the reason for the criticism is also a 'theory'. Plum's theory-num sollalaam.
From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 5:58:33 2009.

Pr, naan rajasaranam vandhu ennai kummu kummunnu kummuvaarnu paarthEn - enakkum unexpected sidelerundhu dharma adi vizhudhu
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 6:01:40 2009.

btw micha ellArum vandhu, ungaLukku round 2 aarambikkiradhukkuLLa I resign from the post of parimElazhagar
From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 6:03:09 2009.

P_R wrote:

inge - thamizh koorum nallulagu
And that that is the reason for the criticism is also a 'theory'. Plum's theory-num sollalaam.

ok, for this conversation, i didnt see anyone pulling kamal's background or his long standing agendas - adhaan ketten

Plum, no worries - i got ur point, its just that i felt u shuld have stopped with quoting "hindutva" instances from Wednesday and left it......just my opinion
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Oct 6 6:21:20 2009.

MADDY wrote:

illa sakala, Neeraj Pandey-oda lastname ellam izhuthaanga, adhaan ketten
happaadaa!! many daankksss
From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 6:40:12 2009.

P_R wrote:

btw micha ellArum vandhu, ungaLukku round 2 aarambikkiradhukkuLLa I resign from the post of parimElazhagar

Anban varathukulla naan abscond
From: marma_yogi on Tue Oct 6 7:57:54 2009.

Thalaivar movie directed by Myskin - Heroine

Gone are those days when heroines used to earn a little, compared to the heroes. We hear that Trisha took home 80 lakhs for a Tamil movie and 1.10 crore for Telugu after paying the income tax last year. The next highest paid lady was Nayantara who earned 70 lakhs for Tamil and 85 lakhs for Telugu. Though Shriya came in later, the girl also demanded 85 lakhs.

Before three years the producers were paying nothing more than 40-50 lakhs for the lead ladies of their movies. A leading producer says that heroines started to point out Tollywood which pays the heroines like no where, and started to insist more. Furthermore, heroes with more popularity started to demand such heroines for the projects and pushed the producers to hire heroines for high rates.

Till last July, it was Trisha who was the No.1 in the Industry but the white beauty Tamannah has pushed her down now. The latest hot news we hear from the production house of Vijay’s 50th film ‘Sura’ is that Tamannah is paid 90 lakhs.

Another shocking news that adds oil to this sky-high salary matter is from Kamal’s office. Birdies say that there are a lot of possibilities for Tamannah to be roped in for the Mysskin-Kamal project that is on cards. And so, the girl’s salary might touch a crore’s mark very soon!

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/50556.html
From: 19thmay on Tue Oct 6 8:02:34 2009.

Ennadhu Tammu-va!!! :kaka-valipu:
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 8:48:33 2009.

thiRamaRaiyALargaLai sariyaaga thErvu seibavar Kamal enbadharku innoru saanRu
From: MADDY on Tue Oct 6 8:54:15 2009.

P_R wrote:

thiRamaRaiyALargaLai sariyaaga thErvu seibavar Kamal enbadharku innoru saanRu

Goundar in Gentleman: Maami, nokku idhellam pudikkuma ?
From: hattori_hanzo on Tue Oct 6 9:06:38 2009.

Tammanah paatiya?
From: 19thmay on Tue Oct 6 9:33:46 2009.

P_R wrote:

thiRamaRaiyALargaLai sariyaaga thErvu seibavar Kamal enbadharku innoru saanRu

enna thiramayay kandaar?

Summa pesanum-nu pesa koodadhu, nalla vibarama pesu
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 9:35:56 2009.

neenga innum sariyA pakkuvappadalainnu ninaikkurEn
From: 19thmay on Tue Oct 6 9:37:41 2009.

Unellam kandikka aalilamma thaan ippadi irukura
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 9:39:19 2009.

naan oru kalaingnan...azhagai rasikkiravan..you know
From: Plum on Tue Oct 6 9:46:25 2009.

19may, Idhukku mannadiye shriyavai book paninaarnu argue pandradhai vuttuttu
From: 19thmay on Tue Oct 6 9:46:27 2009.

Idhellam nalladhilukkilla, theriyuma?
From: 19thmay on Tue Oct 6 9:49:01 2009.

Plum wrote:

19may, Idhukku mannadiye shriyavai book paninaarnu argue pandradhai vuttuttu

aahaaa...annan-uku inna arivu
From: P_R on Tue Oct 6 9:51:32 2009.

Unselect paNNa aaLungaLai paththi enna pEchu ?

Waste of the time, waste of the money waste of the discuss.

From: Anban on Tue Oct 6 11:11:20 2009.

lines ellAm ezhudi... sodhappal.

Anyway, I don't think the politics of the movie is something to be discussed much either way. We are better off talking about the performances.

is it necessary for a terrorist to be very serious??

here karam chand is a weapon supplier for terrorists... do u want cliched characterisations only??

From: Anban on Tue Oct 6 11:13:50 2009.

Thalaivar movie directed by Myskin - Heroine

Gone are those days when heroines used to earn a little, compared to the heroes. We hear that Trisha took home 80 lakhs for a Tamil movie and 1.10 crore for Telugu after paying the income tax last year. The next highest paid lady was Nayantara who earned 70 lakhs for Tamil and 85 lakhs for Telugu. Though Shriya came in later, the girl also demanded 85 lakhs.

Before three years the producers were paying nothing more than 40-50 lakhs for the lead ladies of their movies. A leading producer says that heroines started to point out Tollywood which pays the heroines like no where, and started to insist more. Furthermore, heroes with more popularity started to demand such heroines for the projects and pushed the producers to hire heroines for high rates.

Till last July, it was Trisha who was the No.1 in the Industry but the white beauty Tamannah has pushed her down now. The latest hot news we hear from the production house of Vijay’s 50th film ‘Sura’ is that Tamannah is paid 90 lakhs.

Another shocking news that adds oil to this sky-high salary matter is from Kamal’s office. Birdies say that there are a lot of possibilities for Tamannah to be roped in for the Mysskin-Kamal project that is on cards. And so, the girl’s salary might touch a crore’s mark very soon!

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/50556.html

kamal - tamannaa pair..

From: joe on Tue Oct 6 11:17:12 2009.

Director ,Kamal ,Era.Murugan kooda namma makkaL aLavukku yosichirukka maattanga pola

From: Movie Cop on Tue Oct 6 11:21:31 2009.

lines ellAm ezhudi... sodhappal.

Anyway, I don't think the politics of the movie is something to be discussed much either way. We are better off talking about the performances.

is it necessary for a terrorist to be very serious??

here karam chand is a weapon supplier for terrorists... do u want cliched characterisations only??

Spot on, Anbuthambi!

When I heard Santhana Bharathi is playing one of the terrorists, I imagined him to be a cliched/serious toughie and went

But as a cliche breaker, Karamchand Lala is shown as a weapons supplier and his motivation is just money. He has no set idealogies unlike the other three terrorists. Lala's mindset was well portrayed when Abdullah goes ellaborating about this "flaesh back", where Lala goes scratching his head with a "who cares?" expression implying "Kelambitaanya Kelambitaanya"

Santhana Bharathi was a good pick for a non chalant weapons supplier who is just like an average suppan sans any strong ideologies.

From: marma_yogi on Tue Oct 6 11:43:51 2009.

lines ellAm ezhudi... sodhappal.

Anyway, I don't think the politics of the movie is something to be discussed much either way. We are better off talking about the performances.

is it necessary for a terrorist to be very serious??

here karam chand is a weapon supplier for terrorists... do u want cliched characterisations only??

Spot on, Anbuthambi! Thumbs Up!

When I heard Santhana Bharathi is playing one of the terrorists, I imagined him to be a cliched/serious toughie and went hysterical

Santhana Bharathi was a good pick for a non chalant weapons supplier who is just like an average suppan sans any strong ideologies. Cool

well said.
Santhaparthy was like a comedy terrorist for me and loved that character.
Out of the 4 terrorists, some kind of IT terrorist and the virumandi friend terrorist they hardly spoke. I wish they had some dialogues too.

Did the best bakery case really happened the way the terrorist explained? I tried to look up. Though the news articles say people were burned in the bakery, it never said if they were baked in the oven. Did it really happen that way or did they over dramatize in UPO?

From: Girish11 on Tue Oct 6 13:08:24 2009.

Anban why are we assuming they would be paired, it is possible
she plays an important role in the movie but not being paired
with Kamal.

kamal - tamannaa pair.. Banging Head

From: Mahen on Tue Oct 6 14:03:15 2009.

Anban why are we assuming they would be paired, it is possible
she plays an important role in the movie but not being paired
with Kamal.

kamal - tamannaa pair.. Banging Head

From: Anban on Tue Oct 6 16:14:55 2009.

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu
From: Girish11 on Tue Oct 6 16:36:51 2009.

Anban wrote:

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu

Totally agree
From: NOV on Tue Oct 6 20:28:19 2009.

Girish11 wrote:

Anban wrote:

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu
Totally agree
food for thought: if a 30 year old can act like a 50 yr old, why cant a 50-year old act like a 30 yr old? ellaam nadippu thaanE?

From: joe on Tue Oct 6 21:17:03 2009.

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu

food for thought: if a 30 year old can act like a 50 yr old, why cant a 50-year old act like a 30 yr old? ellaam nadippu thaanE? Idea

மீன் கருவாடு ஆகலாம் ..ஆனா கருவாடு மீனாக முடியாது

From: groucho070 on Tue Oct 6 21:22:31 2009.

joe wrote:

Director ,Kamal ,Era.Murugan kooda namma makkaL aLavukku yosichirukka maattanga pola

From: Vivasaayi on Tue Oct 6 21:30:43 2009.

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu

food for thought: if a 30 year old can act like a 50 yr old, why cant a 50-year old act like a 30 yr old? ellaam nadippu thaanE? Idea

மீன் கருவாடு ஆகலாம் ..ஆனா கருவாடு மீனாக முடியாது Laughing

gounder club-la oru silent member irukaru pola.

From: groucho070 on Tue Oct 6 21:32:27 2009.

He's a "out"standing member
From: Vivasaayi on Tue Oct 6 21:37:08 2009.

groucho070 wrote:

He's a "out"standing member

hehe

From: joe on Tue Oct 6 21:41:59 2009.

Vivasaayi wrote:

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu

food for thought: if a 30 year old can act like a 50 yr old, why cant a 50-year old act like a 30 yr old? ellaam nadippu thaanE? Idea

மீன் கருவாடு ஆகலாம் ..ஆனா கருவாடு மீனாக முடியாது Laughing

gounder club-la oru silent member irukaru pola.

Naanum Gounder fan thaan .But ungala maathiri detail-a discuss pannuRathilla.

Btw ,these dialogues i heard from former speaker KaLimuthu " கருவாடு மீனாகாது ..கறந்த பால் மடி புகாது"

From: NOV on Tue Oct 6 21:43:34 2009.

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu

food for thought: if a 30 year old can act like a 50 yr old, why cant a 50-year old act like a 30 yr old? ellaam nadippu thaanE? Idea

மீன் கருவாடு ஆகலாம் ..ஆனா கருவாடு மீனாக முடியாது Laughing

oru sivaji fan ippadi ellaam pEsappdaadhu

From: marma_yogi on Tue Oct 6 23:23:01 2009.

Anban wrote:

i hope so.. inimel aandavar-kku pair-a chinna ponnungala pottaa nallaa irukaathu

If thalaivar makes her look like mudhir kanni, it won't be big of an issue

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 7 3:38:16 2009.

Quote:

http://chithr.com/movie/box-office/1564/eenadu-collections.html

City Theatre Gross (Rs)
Guntur Region
Guntur Pallavi 4,65,042.00
Guntur Sri Saraswathi 4,00,272.00
Tenali Srilakshmi 1,96,258.00
Ongole BVS 2,11,538.00
Ongole Sai Saroja 3,42,560.00
Narsaraopeta Lakshmi Narasimha 3,11,472.00
Chilakaluripeta Venkateswara 2,14,152.00
Chirala Santhi 1,74,370.00
Addanki Mini VNS 1,24,420.00
Mangalagiri Gopala Krishna 1,24,622.00
Macharla Rama 81,018.00
Ponnuru Srinivasa 91,604.00
Vinukonda Venkateswara 1,13,135.00

It recorded about Rs.28.5 lakhs in Guntur distribution area for release week alone. So I think the Telugu version Eenadu would have yielded about 6 to 7 crores alone. Tamil version plus overseas would have taken it to beyond 35 crores.

From: P_R on Wed Oct 7 5:03:10 2009.

Hindu terrorist 'unnecessary' for this movie. Sari, adhaiyAvadhu ozhunga paNNi irukkalaam. Comic relief-ku use paNNi, "mujE kuch faqr nahi" appidinnu ellAm solla vachi, "summAvA kudtha sambAdhichella" maadhiri Laughing

lines ellAm ezhudi... sodhappal.

Anyway, I don't think the politics of the movie is something to be discussed much either way. We are better off talking about the performances.

is it necessary for a terrorist to be very serious??

here karam chand is a weapon supplier for terrorists... do u want cliched characterisations only??

Being different is not is not it's own argument. Parthiban is different. But he is not Kamal.

And any of the grouses I have are only compaed to UPO. So unless you are saying UPO has 'as good as' or 'better' characterization than Wednesday we have nothing to discuss. And if you claim that we surely have no common ground to discuss

The characterization/dialogues' of the terrorists (too) were naive in UPO. Not just SB all of them. If SB was un-cliched, the others were as cliched as one can get. Hindu arms supplier who is in it only for the money was made him a clown caught in the circumstances. That didn't serve the 'balancing agenda' well. It ended up being neither here nor there.

Above all the point I am trying to make is ippidi ellAm de-subtle paNNA dhaan Tamil audience-ku puriyum kind of assumptions in writing. That is my only grouse about the film.

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 5:54:23 2009.

lines ellAm ezhudi... sodhappal.

Anyway, I don't think the politics of the movie is something to be discussed much either way. We are better off talking about the performances.

is it necessary for a terrorist to be very serious??

here karam chand is a weapon supplier for terrorists... do u want cliched characterisations only??

wrong assumptions from ur side..
AFAIK, the movie tried to portray that terrorists are also like normal beings only .. they need not be the stereotypes shown in movies.. infact, Kamal acts like one of those stereotypic terrorists.. i am not comparing UPO with wednesday... athellaam enakku thevai illaatha velai..

subtlety/de-subtlety is just out of the question.. enakku mattum thaan puriyanum.. oorula evanukkum puriya koodathu.. naan vanthu ungalukkellam vilakkam solluven.. apparam neenga enna paarattanum-nu nenaikkira medhaavis-kku thaan athellaam.. namakku ethukku??

arif/sethu characters were slightly overdone.. they lacked subtlety.. acc to me terrorists were fine..

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 7 6:05:54 2009.

Anban wrote:

AFAIK, the movie tried to portray that terrorists are also like normal beings only

so u will accept Roja ending* now?

*terrorist having mercy and releasing his hostage
From: P_R on Wed Oct 7 6:17:14 2009.

"Subtle enRaal 'inge' palarukku puriyAdhu" is exactly the assumption I am disagreeing with. VirumaaNdi was a success. There is no reason to distrust the audience the way you are doing now.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 7 6:22:49 2009.

that terrorist tried to act like a common man for some time. thatsall. even in reality, terrorists are bound to have such flashbacks. but THIS DONE MEAN that the writer is saying "terrorists too are common man only". the movie never sympathysed for terorists, at any point.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 7 6:24:49 2009.

"Subtle enRaal 'inge' palarukku puriyAdhu" is exactly the assumption I am disagreeing with. VirumaaNdi was a success. There is no reason to distrust the audience the way you are doing now.

//digg

viru didnt reach the level of BO reash it deserved. its just the topper among all the pongal release, and the movie is a hit.

but UPO is between a Superhit and Blockuster. my fav is viru only

//end digg

From: Cinefan on Wed Oct 7 8:28:40 2009.

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14913695&cid=13525926

Unnaipol Oruvan is unbeatable at the CBO for the third week in a row, and is at number one. Shankar’s Eeram is a sleeper hit because multiplexes have increased the number of shows and is in the second position.
At number three is the Ranbir-Konkana starrer Wake Up Sid, which has taken a good 85 per cent opening. At number four is Thiru Thiru Thuru Thuru, which has increased the number of screens and in the fifth place is Ninaithale Inikkum.

Note : Ratings are based on the box office collections and the cost of the film

Unnaipol Oruvan
Cast: Kamal Hassan, Mohanlal, Lakshmi, Ganesh Venkatram, Anuja
Director: Chakri Toleti
The lead cast & dialogues
Too much English and some loopholes in the presentation

BO verdict : Hit

Read Review

Eeram
Cast: Nandaa, Aadhi, Sindhu Menon, Saranya Mohan
Director: Arivazhagan
Cool narration and new stars
Too long for a thriller

BO verdict : Hit

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Wake Up Sid
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Director: JS Nandhini
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BO verdict : Good opening

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From: P_R on Wed Oct 7 8:36:30 2009.

Anban wrote:

i am not comparing UPO with wednesday... athellaam enakku thevai illaatha velai..
In case I didn't make it amply clear already, naan adhai paththi mattum dhaan pEsurEn, Kambar-valmigi notwithstanding.

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 8:55:55 2009.

AFAIK, the movie tried to portray that terrorists are also like normal beings only

so u will accept Roja ending* now?

*terrorist having mercy and releasing his hostage

ofcourse.. atha naan eppo accept pannaama irunthen.. i like mani's stories, screenplay etc.. just STYLE irritates me a bit..

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 8:58:25 2009.

"Subtle enRaal 'inge' palarukku puriyAdhu" is exactly the assumption I am disagreeing with. VirumaaNdi was a success. There is no reason to distrust the audience the way you are doing now.

yes yes, i agree..

but the only thing i want to tell u is that,
if this movie is not subtle, its not due to this logic.. its bcos of the style of the director/dialogue writer.. Kamal didnt poke his nose too much into this movie.. if the title card had shown that Kamal is the director, the movie wud have been different from wat we saw..

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 8:59:46 2009.

"Subtle enRaal 'inge' palarukku puriyAdhu" is exactly the assumption I am disagreeing with. VirumaaNdi was a success. There is no reason to distrust the audience the way you are doing now.

ayyo.. dont feed prabhu ..

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 9:03:38 2009.

i am not comparing UPO with wednesday... athellaam enakku thevai illaatha velai..

In case I didn't make it amply clear already, naan adhai paththi mattum dhaan pEsurEn, Kambar-valmigi notwithstanding.

ok.. let me put forward some advancements in UPO ..

1. commissioner gets dismissed
2. final scene interaction was really good

From: P_R on Wed Oct 7 9:18:38 2009.

"Subtle enRaal 'inge' palarukku puriyAdhu" is exactly the assumption I am disagreeing with. VirumaaNdi was a success. There is no reason to distrust the audience the way you are doing now.

Hope so.
From the way he is participating in the promos and talking about how he actively worked with Era.Murugan in writing the lines, it did seem like there was substantial input in the adaptation. Plus the fact that it was a Rajkamal film.

Hope he himself directs the next one and not KSR or anyone else.

From: P_R on Wed Oct 7 9:24:38 2009.

Anban wrote:

ok.. let me put forward some advancements in UPO ..
1. commissioner gets dismissed
2. final scene interaction was really good

Commissioner offers to get dismissed in Wednesday too. It is not amply clear whether his end of service is a forced or natural retirement. But we can infer that it is probably a termination. Just that they don't make a big deal out of it. In passing anupam kher says to the CM, " you can call it a security lapse and dismiss me" and just moves on.

In the final scene in UPO it is underlined very clearly that the commissioner lets the common man know that he is the one and still lets him go. But in Wednesday it is not emphasized like that. Both know (and so do we) and do not show it openly.

From: P_R on Wed Oct 7 9:27:04 2009.

"Subtle enRaal 'inge' palarukku puriyAdhu" is exactly the assumption I am disagreeing with. VirumaaNdi was a success. There is no reason to distrust the audience the way you are doing now.

ayyo.. dont feed prabhu ..

He is making your point. If indeed VirumANdi was not as successful as Dasavatharam etc. then that is indeed an 'explanation' that makes sense.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 7 9:49:47 2009.

i have a strong feeling that if UPO came after anbe sivam or aalavanthan or PKS, this amount of success won't be achievable...

but it was released after dasa, the unbeatable tsunaami. surely this has an effect

Audience

From: marma_yogi on Wed Oct 7 11:18:41 2009.

i have a strong feeling that if UPO came after anbe sivam or aalavanthan or PKS, this amount of success won't be achievable...

but it was released after dasa, the unbeatable tsunaami. surely this has an effect

Audience Thumbs Up!

I don't think UPO success was due to the after effects of Dasa success. I believe now the tamil audience is open for path breaking/different subjects and UPO was the right movie released at the right time.
Anbe Sivam and Hey Raam were way ahead of their time and the tamil audience were not ready then.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 12:36:30 2009.

Ippa enna thaan solla varreenga ellorum. Thamizh makkal rasanai maaRiruchchunnu solreengala. Just because UPO is a hit you are praising tamil fans. I am not really sure about change in taste. UPO has a jet speed screenplay, which could helped movie to become hit. Let us wait and see.

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 12:55:43 2009.

From: marma_yogi on Wed Oct 7 13:01:17 2009.

true

Ippa enna thaan solla varreenga ellorum. Thamizh makkal rasanai maaRiruchchunnu solreengala. Just because UPO is a hit you are praising tamil fans. I am not really sure about change in taste. UPO has a jet speed screenplay, which could helped movie to become hit. Let us wait and see.

Kuruthi Punal that had a racy sreenplay was not a super hit like UPO. Its just that the audience taste has evolved now.

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 13:05:48 2009.

Kuruthi Punal that had a racy sreenplay was not a super hit like UPO. Its just that the audience taste has evolved now.

no no .. kuruthipunal was BIG..

From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 7 13:07:31 2009.

As expected, UPO is doing good business.
From: joe on Wed Oct 7 13:08:43 2009.

RajaRam wrote:

As expected, UPO is doing good business.

Welcome Back
From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 7 13:13:25 2009.

joe wrote:

RajaRam wrote:

As expected, UPO is doing good business.

Welcome Back

Thnx.
From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 7 13:15:53 2009.

Kamal’s back and he’s all over as the unassuming ‘aam adhmi’ in this avatar of ordinary-citizen- turned-terrorist-with-a-cause. Kamal and Mohanlal have recreated the brilliant performances of Nasrudeen Shah and Anupam Kher in Tamil.

Trade Talk:
Made at a minimum budget, the movie is already raking in revenues.

Public Talk:
A must watch!

No. Weeks Completed: 2
No. Shows in Chennai over this weekend: 219
Average Theatre Occupancy over this weekend: 82%
Collection over this weekend in Chennai: Rs. 50,26,630
Total collections in Chennai: Rs. 2.68 Crore

Verdict: Hit

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-slide-shows/movie-4/top-ten-movies/tamil-cinema-topten-movie-unnaipol-oruvan.html

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 13:16:45 2009.

Kamal’s back and he’s all over as the unassuming ‘aam adhmi’ in this avatar of ordinary-citizen- turned-terrorist-with-a-cause. Kamal and Mohanlal have recreated the brilliant performances of Nasrudeen Shah and Anupam Kher in Tamil.

Trade Talk:
Made at a minimum budget, the movie is already raking in revenues.

Public Talk:
A must watch!

No. Weeks Completed: 2
No. Shows in Chennai over this weekend: 219
Average Theatre Occupancy over this weekend: 82%
Collection over this weekend in Chennai: Rs. 50,26,630
Total collections in Chennai: Rs. 2.68 Crore

Verdict: Hit

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-slide-shows/movie-4/top-ten-movies/tamil-cinema-topten-movie-unnaipol-oruvan.html

From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 7 13:20:36 2009.

From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 7 13:16:57 2009.

Chennai Box Office - October 2 to 4

Tuesday, 06 October , 2009, 17:06
Last Updated: Tuesday, 06 October , 2009, 17:07

Unnaipol Oruvan is unbeatable at the CBO for the third week in a row, and is at number one. Shankar’s Eeram is a sleeper hit because multiplexes have increased the number of shows and is in the second position.
At number three is the Ranbir-Konkana starrer Wake Up Sid, which has taken a good 85 per cent opening. At number four is Thiru Thiru Thuru Thuru, which has increased the number of screens and in the fifth place is Ninaithale Inikkum.

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14913695&cid=13525926

UPO is released in only 4 theatres and all are small screens(around 700 seat capacity).

So week end ticket rate in Maanicka vinayagar complex is Rs.100

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 13:22:24 2009.

UPO is released in only 4 theatres and all are small screens(around 700 seat capacity).

So week end ticket rate in Maanicka vinayagar complex is Rs.100

From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 7 13:26:49 2009.

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 13:23:15 2009.

tamizharasan,

neenga romba nakkalaana aalaa iruppeenga pola..

first warning tharalaamnu nenaikkiren
From: thamiz on Wed Oct 7 13:25:53 2009.

tamizharasan wrote:

Is it running full atleast in those 4 theatres?

These days, nobody's movie is running theatre-filled after couple of weeks or so. Since the ticket price is raised by 5 fold, even if you get 50% full, that is equivalent to house full.

UPO is released in only 4 theatres and all are small screens(around 700 seat capacity).

So week end ticket rate in Maanicka vinayagar complex is Rs.100

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 13:28:50 2009.

Only week end.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 13:28:12 2009.

Anban wrote:

tamizharasan,

neenga romba nakkalaana aalaa iruppeenga pola..

first warning tharalaamnu nenaikkiren

I know how big a fan of Kamal you are. I was serious in my question. Just because weekend ticket rates are at 100, it does not mean it is running full houses. Being from Madurai I know the importance of Madurai region to make a movie hit. All the blockbusters of Kamal have done extraordinary business in Madurai. That is why i was curious. Nothing else. I am Rajini fan but never was a kamal hater. I am not sure whether you noticed that or not.

UPO is released in only 4 theatres and all are small screens(around 700 seat capacity).

So week end ticket rate in Maanicka vinayagar complex is Rs.100

Ok. thanks for the reply.

Only week end. Very Happy

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 13:30:32 2009.

These days, nobody's movie is running theatre-filled after couple of weeks or so. Since the ticket price is raised by 5 fold, even if you get 50% full, that is equivalent to house full. Very Happy

I really do not know the ground situatin now. I hope you included Rajini movies also in this list?

From: thamiz on Wed Oct 7 13:34:52 2009.

These days, nobody's movie is running theatre-filled after couple of weeks or so. Since the ticket price is raised by 5 fold, even if you get 50% full, that is equivalent to house full. Very Happy

I really do not know the ground situatin now. I hope you included Rajini movies also in this list?

TA: Yes I do include sivaji but CM could be an exception. It is not like how it used to be because of so much changes. The ticket price are raised to Rs 100 for sivaji, I am told it was not getting filled bu 40-50% full or so.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 13:38:52 2009.

These days, nobody's movie is running theatre-filled after couple of weeks or so. Since the ticket price is raised by 5 fold, even if you get 50% full, that is equivalent to house full. Very Happy

I really do not know the ground situatin now. I hope you included Rajini movies also in this list?

I am not really sure about how big is UPO. For sure it is doing very good business in chennai and definitely good business in other places of TN. In USA I have the data so it really did good. So other than Tamilnadu and USA i am not sure whether it did good business or not.

From: thamiz on Wed Oct 7 13:41:21 2009.

The "padappetti" are not sold for a high price in C centers and may be in B centers as well. It is certainly not doing great but doing OK and the exhibitors will not lose money I think. So, it is a hit as the budget is low

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 14:27:28 2009.

thamiz and tamizarasan ..

in gounder style:
tea kadai-la osi paper padikka vanthuttu, "latest developments in Investment Banking" pathi discuss panraainga doi..

tamizharasan is not sure abt its performance outside chennai.. so what?? how the heck it matters ?? thamiz's expert reply is nothing but the cliched reply to given to such Qs by rajini fans since ages..

From: thamiz on Wed Oct 7 14:37:57 2009.

"அன்பரே"!

உங்களை திருப்திப் படுத்துவது கஷ்டம்தான்.
From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 14:42:35 2009.

thamiz wrote:

"அன்பரே"!

உங்களை திருப்திப் படுத்துவது கஷ்டம்தான்.
" It is not doing great, but OK"-nu sollreengale??? on what basis??

From: thamiz on Wed Oct 7 14:46:38 2009.

"அன்பரே"!

உங்களை திருப்திப் படுத்துவது கஷ்டம்தான். Very Happy

" It is not doing great, but OK"-nu sollreengale??? on what basis??

Look at Rajaram's post carefully for Madurai situation! I know it for sure in C centers from my own sources!

From: marma_yogi on Wed Oct 7 14:52:00 2009.

"அன்பரே"!

உங்களை திருப்திப் படுத்துவது கஷ்டம்தான். Very Happy

" It is not doing great, but OK"-nu sollreengale??? on what basis??

Look at Rajaram's post carefully for Madurai situation! I know it for sure in C centers from my own sources! Very Happy

neengala oru kelvi ketka vendiyathu, nengala athuku oru answer solla vendiyathu.

From: thamiz on Wed Oct 7 15:03:37 2009.

"அன்பரே"!

உங்களை திருப்திப் படுத்துவது கஷ்டம்தான். Very Happy

" It is not doing great, but OK"-nu sollreengale??? on what basis??

Look at Rajaram's post carefully for Madurai situation! I know it for sure in C centers from my own sources! Very Happy

neengala oru kelvi ketka vendiyathu, nengala athuku oru answer solla vendiyathu.

ஆமா அது நீங்க நெனைச்ச பதிலோட கொஞ்சம்கூட ஒத்துப்போகாமல் இருப்பது..

இதெல்லாம் இன்னைக்கு நேத்தா நடக்குது

From: marma_yogi on Wed Oct 7 15:12:05 2009.

"அன்பரே"!

உங்களை திருப்திப் படுத்துவது கஷ்டம்தான். Very Happy

" It is not doing great, but OK"-nu sollreengale??? on what basis??

Look at Rajaram's post carefully for Madurai situation! I know it for sure in C centers from my own sources! Very Happy

neengala oru kelvi ketka vendiyathu, nengala athuku oru answer solla vendiyathu.

ஆமா அது நீங்க நெனைச்ச பதிலோட கொஞ்சம்கூட ஒத்துப்போகாமல் இருப்பது..

இதெல்லாம் இன்னைக்கு நேத்தா நடக்குது Laughing

If you so much know the answer, why ask the question in the first place?

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 15:13:24 2009.

இந்த திரிய கமல் விசிறிங்க குத்தகைக்கு எடுத்த மாதிரி பேசுறாஙக.

Moderators help us out.

From: Anban on Wed Oct 7 16:04:47 2009.

இந்த திரிய கமல் விசிறிங்க குத்தகைக்கு எடுத்த மாதிரி பேசுறாஙக.

Moderators help us out.

say if i ask the following,

"when did rajini start acting in crap movies?
i know the answer.. but i just want to confirm it from u"

eppadi irukkum.. chumma vanthu ethukku engala seendi paakkureenga..

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 16:14:27 2009.

இந்த திரிய கமல் விசிறிங்க குத்தகைக்கு எடுத்த மாதிரி பேசுறாஙக.

Moderators help us out.

I genuinely asked about the box office results of UPO other than Tamilnadu and USA. If you don't want to answer then it is fine. But answers here sounded like we should not participate in the thread. BTW crap is relative thing. Crap for you may be entertaining for others. For me dasavathaaram was crap too but it was entertaining for lot of others.

From: thamiz on Wed Oct 7 16:18:51 2009.

Anban wrote:

eppadi irukkum.. chumma vanthu ethukku engala seendi paakkureenga..

Are you not really bored not seeing any kind of posts which is different from usual Kh fans post. TA is in fact helping you, indeed!

From: marma_yogi on Wed Oct 7 16:49:41 2009.

So if you know about the BO results of UPO in TN and USA, what other regions you are interested in knowing? Malaysia, Europe, Australia, JAPAN? May be UPO doesn't run well/released in Japan to be qualified to be called a superhit. Thalaivar padam tamil karanga patha podum. We don't need Japs to make it a super hit.

From: tamizharasan on Wed Oct 7 16:58:35 2009.

So if you know about the BO results of UPO in TN and USA, what other regions you are interested in knowing? Malaysia, Europe, Australia, JAPAN? May be UPO doesn't run well in Japan to be qualified to be called a superhit.

Did I ever say that it was not superhit. Just curious how well it is doing in otherplaces. I was not paid if I prove this movie was not a superhit.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 7 23:59:59 2009.

eppadi irukkum.. chumma vanthu ethukku engala seendi paakkureenga..

Are you not really bored not seeing any kind of posts which is different from usual Kh fans post. TA is in fact helping you, indeed! Laughing

ngoiyaala hub la athigamaa different views mun vaikirathe naanga thaan(as a group) ungalukku ithu bore vera adikkuthaa

btw, even some of the non kamal fans are coming up with interesting posts. how come bore ??? there is no araicha maavu or thavaicha thuni here. all are new

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 8 0:04:12 2009.

TA,

honestly sepaking, i posted the bad perf of the movie in my native, few threads back. The movie success is more attributed to A centre audience and B Center to some extent. In C centers its just holding on, i guess, but in reality nobody knows. and no official words as of now.

As you got the answer u r expecting, i think u and thamiz can stop...

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 8 0:08:25 2009.

http://tinyurl.com/ybnhsam

Quote:

Life convict flays Kamal Hassan

A life convict in the Coimbatore bomb blast case, S A Basha, has come down heavily on actor Kamal Haasan for ‘justifying’ the killing of the perpetrators of violence in his latest film ‘Unnaipol Oruvan’, which shows the protagonist, played by the actor himself, taking the law into his hands.

In a letter to Kamal Haasan, a copy of which is available with Express, Basha, now undergoing sentence at the Coimbatore Central prison, has accused the actor of doing a film with a potential to affect communal harmony in the country.

“While we, the perpetrators of the Coimbatore bomb blast, have ourselves realised that violence is the not the solution for any problem and have decided to find solution through peaceful means, we are shocked to learn that an actor of your caliber has succumbed to religious hatred and is suggesting violent remedies.” Raghavan, who represented Basha in the Coimbatore bomb blast case, confirms that he has a copy of the letter, which was sent to Kamal on September 29.

In the letter, Basha referred to various communal conflicts allegedly triggered by Hindu fundamentalist groups in the country and asked Kamal if he would shoot a movie about the communal conflicts orchestrated by Hindu fundamentalists.

Basha also stated that the investigation officers of the Coimbatore blast case concluded that it had no connection with terrorism or extremism, as it was a conflict between the two communities. “Based on that, the court has also punished us, but portraying the perpetrators as those who have received training from Afghanistan only promotes communal feeling among the people. You should have had a proper discussion with us before making a film like this,’’ Basha said.

Basha has indirectly accused the actor of not having the courage to make a film on actual perpetrators of violence and making a film that supports them. Basha signed off by asking the actor to involve in activities that strengthen the secular and democratic spirit of the nation.

The Ilam Tamilar Iyakkam has also sent a letter to the actor condemning him on similar grounds. Kamal Haasan could not be contacted.

ங்கொய்யாலெ எங்கெ இருந்தெல்லாம் லெட்டர் வருது பாருங்க

அதுவும் வழக்கமான தவறான புரிதலோடு!!!

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 8 3:00:46 2009.

Thamizharasan,
UPO' budget (Tamil and Telugu) is 12 Crores tops.

It is a blockbuster in A centers, superhit/hit in B and hit/above average in C.
At worst, you can say that nobody lost money. At best you can say the producer, distributors and many exhibitors made a LOT of money. Yeah, A > B > C, if thats what you are asking.
Remember, it has TN, AP, Kerala, Karnataka, FMS as markets (satellite evvalavukku pochu nu therila). From no market has there been any negative reports on collection. And as Thamizh said, as is the case with RKFI, it has not been overpriced in any territory. And throughout TN, its a direct RKFI release except Chennai where it is through Abhirami Ramanathan on a commission basis.
Having answered your "question", a movie under 3 hours with no songs, no comedy track (apart from some unintentional moments), with absolutely no promotion, glamour etc, if its doing so well, its worthy of being commended and not worth nitpicking asking if it did well in Timbuktu Geetha A/C in the 37th day noon show etc...

What is the bottom line? How much was the movie sold for (business/cost) versus how much the movie finally made (collection/revenue). Did anybody suffer losses? Idhula C center did not perform as well as A centers is just a minor technicality (as long as there is no loss). If you want to say it is not a big massive hit across all centres, ok yeah it would be fair enough i guess but i doubt if it matters much. Net, net, it is a victory, whichever way you look at it.
From: Kalyasi on Thu Oct 8 3:09:13 2009.

Bala anna though your previous avtar was super, I could not take your posts seriously then.... Now Ok... You are vaathdufying!!!

ivanga kitta ellam ethukku esplanation... freeya vidunga!!
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 8 3:14:53 2009.

Kalyasi wrote:

Bala anna though your previous avtar was super, I could not take your posts seriously then.... Now Ok... You are

Adhu karunchirutha, idhu Singam-la
From: Plum on Thu Oct 8 3:19:05 2009.

karthik(bala), welcome back after a mini break
(as usual, pErai distort pandra en vazhakkam poga maattengudhu!)
From: groucho070 on Thu Oct 8 3:36:12 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Adhu karunchirutha, idhu Singam-la

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 8 3:36:15 2009.

I know how big a fan of Kamal you are. I was serious in my question. Just because weekend ticket rates are at 100, it does not mean it is running full houses. Being from Madurai I know the importance of Madurai region to make a movie hit. All the blockbusters of Kamal have done extraordinary business in Madurai. That is why i was curious. Nothing else. I am Rajini fan but never was a kamal hater. I am not sure whether you noticed that or not.

tamizharasan,

neenga romba nakkalaana aalaa iruppeenga pola..

first warning tharalaamnu nenaikkiren Laughing

Tamizharasan,
Indha disclaimer a neengalum eppavume use panreenga

The fact is almost all your posts here are attempts at sarcasm-thoindha serious kostins. If one sentence praises Thalaivar, the next will be a backhand or a negative one.
"I am a big admirer of Kamal and i though he was great in 1947 but my fear is he will be like thayir soru saapitta singam etc". Your posts are just variations of this theme. Idha ellam remba remba easy a thiruppi podalaam vera nadigarunga kitta. Unga karuthu unga ishtam etc but i'm sure they are not for genuine discussion and its just a pick and rake strategy. Naanga pannadha criticism-a, agenda based-a illama irundha prachanai illa. Kovam, neradi thaakkudhal mattum dhaan "hate" nu artham illa, amaidhiya calculative a nonduradhum "hate" dhaan. In fact, its the worst form. Enna, unga groupu, nalla peru vaanga subtle a seyyareenga, sila so-called neutrals kitta nalla certificate-um vaangikkareenga, avvalavu dhaan

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 8 3:47:25 2009.

Hindu arms supplier who is in it only for the money was made him a clown caught in the circumstances. That didn't serve the 'balancing agenda' well. It ended up being neither here nor there.

Exactly.

UPO is an unusual failure of Kamal as an attempt to talk about some of his ideologies. It was evident in the Kalaignar TV interview. He has attempted to "balance" but the attempts are feeble/contrived and have failed. Like i had already mentioned, even without the chronological mistake, the Best bakery reference was clumsy. As Joe had pointed out, the terrorism for terrorism is a quagmire and fallacy and if one applies it, and going by that is a recursively futile exercise.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 8 5:23:27 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

(satellite evvalavukku pochu nu therila).
I read somewhere its 4 or 5 Cr. After agreeing this price, kalaigner tv wanted kamal to give (back from VIjay TV) the Kamal-50 Celebration Programmes. But it never worked. But Kalaigner Tv is promoting UPO well.
From: Aalavanthan on Thu Oct 8 5:29:33 2009.

Hi guys.. Its been a long time since I have followed our hub. Been busy with other activities with marriage and a kid .. I guess Bala might have seen that through my orkut profile..

Sakala,

The price was rated at 5 Cr. and Kalaignar TV thought its too much of a price and wanted Kamal to do the show for them. But later moved to Vijay TV due to some issues among Kalaignar TV officials to have more programs with Kamal for the same price... "velai uyarndha yaannai" nu avargaluku inru therindhhirukum
From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 8 5:36:09 2009.

UPO-vaye "path-breaking" nu solrom naama, so pin thangi dhaane irukkom?

IMO, why UPO is an important film for our industry is not because it is a great film but this will give a boost to others like Thalaivar himself said in the Kalaignar TV discussion. The thing to note is, in TN, it is extremely difficult to make a successful film without a good dose of humor (either as a separate track or infused into the film) and the other usual ingredients. Kurudhippunal was not only a superior work obviously, but it was all the more courageous and audacious because the situation was even less conducive back then to make these kinds of "theme" films. And what about Pushpak (humor irundhaalum....) Yevanukku varum andha dhairiyam? (OK, Bala irukkaar but humor is an intrinsic part in his films). Ippo ulla "off-beat" successes nu paatheenganna, humor kandippa irukkum, Madurai factor, oru sensationalism, paattu, indha madhiri sila pala amsangal irukkum. They are not strictly theme films. Bollywood la pannalaam, inga panna mudiyaadhu, senju kaattittaar Thalaivar. Yes, the fact that the audience is more receptive now than it was a decade or half ago helped. Medhuvaathaen porom, aana poga arambichuttom....
From: Aalavanthan on Thu Oct 8 5:39:17 2009.

Watched UPO here in Birmingham in the only city center theatres where they show Tamil films. I went on the second day of the release (unfortunately due to work pressure, illati first day vae poyirukkalaam.. damn these prj managers) and with the total tamil population in mind, there were people in good numbers to watch the film. I went with my non-kamalyfied mom and non-kamalyfied wifey and ofcourse my kamalified 2 mth old kid .

Engaiyo blog padicha maadhiri, ellaarum piricha meinjaaachu.. EN panguku solla ponaa.. the movie is a fat-free movie ( as quoted by Ramesh Aravind which thalaivvar liked) .. when we came out of the movie, both my mom and my wifey were kamalified My mom loved the film and didnt even move out of the seat even during the 10 min interval here. There was no words like "enaku puriyalaiyae da" and all. She liked the two policemen characters very much which was interesting.

Again, theatrela naan mattum thaan kai thatti whistle adishtu irundhaen.. ini enkooda en family kamal padam paaka varaadhunu therinji pochu

I think its a wonderful time for Kamal with bothh the success of UPO and his 50 yrs celebration and the competition among Kalaignar and Vijay TV to host some programs on Kamal.. I am sure that our thalaivar has received tremendous response and fan following after these events. The reason I say fan following is that my mom has become a Kamal fan who is an ardent fan of thalaivar's thalaivar. Paasa Malar padam TVla potaa anniki madhiyam enaku soru illai

Cheers
From: joe on Thu Oct 8 5:46:50 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

my mom has become a Kamal fan who is an ardent fan of thalaivar's thalaivar. Paasa Malar padam TVla potaa anniki madhiyam enaku soru illai

From: Aalavanthan on Thu Oct 8 5:55:52 2009.

The thing to note is, in TN, it is extremely difficult to make a successful film without a good dose of humor (either as a separate track or infused into the film) and the other usual ingredients. ......... Medhuvaathaen porom, aana poga arambichuttom....

I think its not only the audience. Even the directors have started to work on it. I was watching KSR's interview with Kalaignar TV where he was actually kalaaichifying the new comer interviewer about his questions

.. Coming to the matter, I was happy to see KSR talking about having a dream song in the movie. He pointed out that this is for the audience and he had to create a scene to include this song. He also said that there is another song which goes along with the movie.

The point I am trying to make is, the best commercial director in town (who had 3 dream songs for a heroine who doesnt like hero at all (natpukaaga) ) has started thinking abt having a meaningful song that goes along with the movie. 1 song out of 5 now.. maybe all 5 songs or no songs in the future from KSR is on the cards .. Good news

From: Aalavanthan on Thu Oct 8 5:57:27 2009.

joe wrote:

Aalavanthan wrote:

my mom has become a Kamal fan who is an ardent fan of thalaivar's thalaivar. Paasa Malar padam TVla potaa anniki madhiyam enaku soru illai

வணக்கம் ஜோ. நலமாக உள்ளீரா ?

From: joe on Thu Oct 8 6:04:54 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

my mom has become a Kamal fan who is an ardent fan of thalaivar's thalaivar. Paasa Malar padam TVla potaa anniki madhiyam enaku soru illai Very Happy

Aalavanthan wrote:

வணக்கம் ஜோ. நலமாக உள்ளீரா ?

நலம் .நலமறிந்து மகிழ்ச்சி .

btw , எங்க வீட்டுல தலைகீழ் ..அம்மா தலைவருக்கு ரசிகர்ன்னா புள்ள தலைவருக்கு தலைவர் ரசிகர் (தலைவருக்கும் தான்)

From: Bala (Karthik) on Thu Oct 8 6:26:48 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

ofcourse my kamalified 2 mth old kid .

Adhu! Nalladhu kettadhu should be taught at a tender age!

Aalavanthan wrote:

Again, theatrela naan mattum thaan kai thatti whistle adishtu irundhaen.. ini enkooda en family kamal padam paaka varaadhunu therinji pochu

Adhavadhu, religion/politics madhiri family/Thalaivar padam ellam mix pannapdaadhu. Ticket vaangi kuduthu anuppidanum.
From: Aalavanthan on Thu Oct 8 6:37:08 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Adhu! Nalladhu kettadhu should be taught at a tender age!

ellam oru chinna bayam thaan. En wifey theevira Dr. Vijay rasigai.. Avanga college-a cut adishtu first day first show ellam paathu whistle adicha gumballirundhu vandhavanga.. Wifeyku ippa lightaa kalai arivu vara thodangi iruku.. Aduthu veliyaaga irukum thalaivar padathuku ivangala first day first showvil whistle adika vaipadhae enadhu orae kurikol

From: Aalavanthan on Thu Oct 8 6:40:24 2009.

btw , எங்க வீட்டுல தலைகீழ் ..அம்மா தலைவருக்கு ரசிகர்ன்னா புள்ள தலைவருக்கு தலைவர் ரசிகர் (தலைவருக்கும் தான்) Smile

அப்போ உங்க அடுத்த தலைமுறை ஒரு பாகவதர் ரசிகரா வருவாங்கன்னு சொல்லுங்க

From: P_R on Thu Oct 8 7:55:58 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

who had 3 dream songs for a heroine who doesnt like hero at all (natpukaaga

Aalavanthan wrote:

Aduthu veliyaaga irukum thalaivar padathuku ivangala first day first showvil whistle adika vaipadhae enadhu orae kurikol
idhuvallavO latchiyam
From: Appu s on Thu Oct 8 8:04:42 2009.

P_R wrote:

Aalavanthan wrote:

who had 3 dream songs for a heroine who doesnt like hero at all (natpukaaga

From: joe on Thu Oct 8 8:10:11 2009.

Aalavanthan wrote:

அப்போ உங்க அடுத்த தலைமுறை ஒரு பாகவதர் ரசிகரா வருவாங்கன்னு சொல்லுங்க Smile

பையன் ஒரு மார்க்கமா தான் இருக்கான்

From: tamizharasan on Thu Oct 8 10:04:57 2009.

I respect your opinion even though I don't agree. Anyway no hard feelings.

tamizharasan,

neenga romba nakkalaana aalaa iruppeenga pola..

first warning tharalaamnu nenaikkiren Laughing

Tamizharasan,
Indha disclaimer a neengalum eppavume use panreenga Smile

From: RC on Thu Oct 8 16:13:08 2009.

ennaththa sollaaa...
கமலுக்கு பாஷா கண்டனம்: http://www.dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=கமலுக்கு+பாஷா+கண்டனம்&artid=136818&SectionID=164&MainSectionID=164&SEO=&SectionName=Latest

From: tamizharasan on Thu Oct 8 16:50:44 2009.

RC wrote:

ennaththa sollaaa...
கமலுக்கு பாஷா கண்டனம்: http://www.dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=கமலுக்கு+பாஷா+கண்டனம்&artid=136818&SectionID=164&MainSectionID=164&SEO=&SectionName=Latest

It is going to help Kamal more than hurting him. More people will be interested in seeing this movie now.

From: Movie Cop on Fri Oct 9 1:55:10 2009.

RC wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, Jail-la irrukkum oru aayul thandanai kaidhiyaal eppadi "UPO" maadhiri padam paarka mudiyum? Is it just me or engayo idikudhey...

From: joe on Fri Oct 9 2:12:31 2009.

Pardon my ignorance, Jail-la irrukkum oru aayul thandanai kaidhiyaal eppadi "UPO" maadhiri padam paarka mudiyum? Is it just me or engayo idikudhey... Confused2

RC wrote:

இதுல இருந்து நீங்க அந்த செய்தியை படிக்கவே இல்லை என தெரிகிறது

"வன்முறைக்கு வன்முறைதான் தீர்வு என்கிற ரீதியில் படம் எடுக்கப்பட்டிருப்பதாகக் கேள்விப்பட்டு அதிர்ச்சியடைந்ததாகவும், இதுபோன்ற படத்தை எடுக்கும்போது தம்மைப் போன்றவர்களிடம் ஆலோசித்திருக்க வேண்டும் எனவும் அவர் குறிப்பிட்டிருக்கிறார்."

From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 9 2:21:01 2009.

Pardon my ignorance, Jail-la irrukkum oru aayul thandanai kaidhiyaal eppadi "UPO" maadhiri padam paarka mudiyum? Is it just me or engayo idikudhey... Confused2

RC wrote:

Ithukae Shock aa

For special cases these things are possible i believe..

But Terrorists kellaam intha alavukku kodukka padumaannu kaetka padaathu.. Indra TN la ellaamae possible.

Last year when Anna's Anniversary Started Government freed more than 1000 Criminals.

This year to celebrate the end of Anna's Anniverasry Government was ready to free those convicted and punished in the Kovai bomb blast case (Terrorirsts) belongs to Ul Umma and others. For the sake of Cheap politics and minority votes

Oru Pakkam UPO. innoru pakkam ippadi ellaam Oru Kooththu

Itha paththi ellaam inga irukkira maethaavigal vaai thoranthu paesa maataanga

Onnum solrathukilla.. Long Live Indian Republic

Aringnar Annaa vin aathma Kulirnthu Poi irukkum

From: Movie Cop on Fri Oct 9 2:27:07 2009.

Pardon my ignorance, Jail-la irrukkum oru aayul thandanai kaidhiyaal eppadi "UPO" maadhiri padam paarka mudiyum? Is it just me or engayo idikudhey... Confused2

RC wrote:

இதுல இருந்து நீங்க அந்த செய்தியை படிக்கவே இல்லை என தெரிகிறது Smile

Oops... completely overlooked that line

Thanks Joe

From: 19thmay on Fri Oct 9 4:18:10 2009.

This year to celebrate the end of Anna's Anniverasry Government was ready to free those convicted and punished in the Kovai bomb blast case (Terrorirsts) belongs to Ul Umma and others. For the sake of Cheap politics and minority votes Not Worthy

Not all are released. Velila vandhavanga ellorum innum konja naal-la thandanai kaalam mudinju avungale velila varavendiyavanga thaan. Illana Basha-ve velila vandhrupaare?

From: P_R on Fri Oct 9 4:28:26 2009.

Releasing convicts on celebratory occasions is a tradition that has a long history. Not just in India but world over.

Aanaa neenga waeld-layE inga/ippo mattum dhaan nadakkura maadhiri solreenga

From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 9 4:51:59 2009.

Not all are released. Velila vandhavanga ellorum innum konja naal-la thandanai kaalam mudinju avungale velila varavendiyavanga thaan. Illana Basha-ve velila vandhrupaare?

Vittaa arrest panrathayae vaenaamnu solluveenga poala... onnum solrathukilla...

Pr...

unga kitta paesi pryojanamilla.. Azhagiri ya punithar nnu kooda solla koochchapadaathava raachchae neenga

Anyway enjoy

Periya maethaavinga kitta sila nyaayaththa ethir paarka mudiyaathu

Aduththu Bombay attack and several other terror acts la arrest pannavangalayum vittuttaa nimmathiyaa irukalaam

Me out on this topic

From: 19thmay on Fri Oct 9 5:01:54 2009.

Thiru,

Anyway do you know that Mu.Ka was ignoring the requests for releasing these people before?

Ippo release pannina aalunga innum konja naal-la release aaga poravanga. Adhunaala thaan andha tharapinar innum kovama irrukuradha kelvi patten.
From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 9 5:08:50 2009.

konja naal naa evvalavu naal enna oru 2 months period.. theeviravaathatha nasukanumnu paesittu irukkura kaalathula.. koduthirukkura thandayae enna poruththa varaikkum kammi thaan .. irukkura thandanaya cut panrathu

sari vidunga.. As usual let us agree to disagree
From: P_R on Fri Oct 9 5:11:02 2009.

Thirumaran wrote:

Azhagiri ya punithar nnu kooda solla koochchapadaathava raachchae neenga

naanA ?

Azhagiri minister aanadhum, ulagathulayE avar dhaan first 'undeserved' minister maadhiriyum, ulagathulayE avar dhaan first vaarisu minister maadhiriyum oru pEchchu vandhapOdhu, being a vaarisu itself need not be negative - appidinnu mattum sonnEn.

adhai ippidi dhaan purinjukkureengaLA

Either this or that - appidingra Bushism niRaiya pErukku pudikkudhu pOla. enakku pudikkAdhunu sonnA 'mEdhAvi,paNdithar' appidingradhA vida miga kadumaiyAna ketta vaarthaiyaala thittappaduvEn' : neutral
From: joe on Fri Oct 9 5:11:27 2009.
From: joe on Fri Oct 9 5:13:31 2009.

Paal kaaran nerathukku varallinnalum athukku karunanithi thaan kaaraNam
From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 9 5:14:16 2009.

P_R wrote:

enakku pudikkAdhunu sonnA 'mEdhAvi,paNdithar' appidingradhA vida miga kadumaiyAna ketta vaarthaiyaala thittappaduvEn' : neutral

sari sari
From: Aalavanthan on Fri Oct 9 6:29:02 2009.

joe wrote:

Paal kaaran nerathukku varallinnalum athukku karunanithi thaan kaaraNam

nichayama.. pinna avar thaanae goPALapurathil irukiraar
From: hattori_hanzo on Fri Oct 9 6:37:09 2009.

joe wrote:

Paal kaaran nerathukku varallinnalum athukku karunanithi thaan kaaraNam

T.R. பாலு dhaane?
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Oct 9 7:05:48 2009.

joe wrote:

Paal kaaran nerathukku varallinnalum athukku karunanithi thaan kaaraNam
kayavan karunaanithi (joe, iam making fun of the way they call, not on Muzhumayaana Kadavul aka Muka ( http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_8974.html ) )
From: MADDY on Fri Oct 9 7:57:28 2009.

Thirumaran wrote:

Aduththu Bombay attack and several other terror acts la arrest pannavangalayum vittuttaa nimmathiyaa irukalaam Me out on this topic

pudichha dhaane vidradhukku .....Microsoft weekly patch update panra madhiri ivangalum weekly dossier anupuraanga to baagistan......should check the tissue papers currently used in pakistan ......

ferfarming govt-aamla
From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Oct 9 8:17:22 2009.

MADDY wrote:

Microsoft weekly patch update panra madhiri ivangalum weekly dossier anupuraanga to baagistan......should check the tissue papers currently used in pakistan ......

"Kaaval thurai thannoda velaya senjukitrukku" nu Mayavi la inspector solradhu dhaan nyabagathukku varudhu...
From: Thirumaran on Fri Oct 9 9:40:41 2009.

joe wrote:

Paal kaaran nerathukku varallinnalum athukku karunanithi thaan kaaraNam

athu sari. naan government nnu thaan sonnaen. ithukellaam ivarukku sambanthaam irukkaa enna vaera yaaro thaanae government nadathittu irukaanga

ivaroada "Pen Singam" release aanathukku appuram .. avaroda dialogues vimarsanam pannalaam.. athu thaan correct aa irukkum
From: joe on Fri Oct 9 11:56:14 2009.

TM,
Etho try pannuneenga ..better luck next time
From: thamiz on Fri Oct 9 18:40:57 2009.

Thirumaran wrote:

But Terrorists kellaam intha alavukku kodukka padumaannu kaetka padaathu.. Indra TN la ellaamae possible.

Yeah terrorists should not ask! But not just him, most of muslim community do not like that movie and they are mad at Kamal.
From: RC on Fri Oct 9 20:35:47 2009.

from Gnani's O pakkangaL in this week's kumudham.

`உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன்' என்று படத்தின் தலைப்பு சொல்கிறது.
பார்வையாளனான என்னைப் பார்த்து உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் என்று சொல்வதாகத்தான் பெரும்பாலும் அர்த்தப்படுத்திக் கொள்கிறோம். அது சரியான அர்த்தம்தானா ?!

படத்தில் பெயர் இல்லாத நாயகனே, என்னைப் போல் ஒருவனா நீ?

நான் மனசாட்சியின் குரலுக்கு எப்போதும் செவி கொடுக்கிற ஒரு நடுத்தர வகுப்பு மனிதன். என்னால் பிறருக்கு வலியும், பிறரால் எனக்கு வலியும் ஏற்படக்கூடாது என்று விரும்பும் சாதாரண மனிதன். ஜாதி, மதம், மொழி, இனம் அடிப்படையில் மனிதரை மனிதர் உயர்வு தாழ்வு பார்க்கக்கூடாது என்று விரும்பும் ஒருவன்.

குற்றம் சாட்டப்பட்ட எவரும் முறையாக விசாரிக்கப்பட்டு சட்டத்தின் கீழ் தண்டிக்கப்படவேண்டும் என்றே விரும்புகிறவன். கொலைக் குற்றவாளிக்குக் கூட அதிகபட்சமாக ஆயுள் தண்டனையே தரப்படலாமே தவிர, மரண தண்டனை கூடாது என்று நினைக்கிறவன். சட்டத்தை என் கையில் எடுத்துக் கொள்ள ஆசைப்படாதவன்.

நீ என்னைப் போல் ஒருவனா? நிச்சயம் இல்லை.

எனக்கு எல்லா தீவிரவாதமும் அருவருப்பானது. உனக்கு அப்படியில்லை. நீ இஸ்லாமிய தீவிரவாதத்தை மட்டுமே தேர்ந்தெடுத்து எதிர்க்கிறாய்.

மேலவளவில் மக்களால் தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப்பட்ட தலித் தலைவர் முருகேசனைக் கொன்றவர்களும் , தருமபுரியில் அப்பாவியான கல்லூரி மாணவிகளை பேருந்திலேயே வைத்து எரித்தவர்களும், மதுரையில் பத்திரிகை அலுவலகத்தைத்தாக்கி அப்பாவி ஊழியர்களைக் கொன்றவர்களும் இது போன்ற எண்ணற்ற தீவிரவாத செயல்களில் ஈடுபட்டவர்கள் பலரும் தமிழகச் சிறைகளில்தான் இருக்கிறார்கள். அவர்களை விசாரணையில்லாமல் கொல்ல வேண்டும் என்ற கோபம் உனக்கு வரவில்லை.

இஸ்லாமிய தீவிரவாதிகளையும் அவர்களுக்கு உதவி செய்ததால் ஹிந்து வெடி மருந்து வியாபாரியையும் கொல்லப் புறப்படுகிறாய்.

உனக்கு ஆர்.டி.எக்ஸ் வெடி மருந்து விற்றவன் மட்டும் மகாத்மா காந்தியா ? அவனை ஏன் கொல்லாமல் விட்டிருக்கிறாய்? அவனிடம் ஆர்.டி.எக்ஸ் தொடர்ந்து வாங்கியவர்கள்/வாங்குகிறவர்கள் எல்லாரும் உன்னைப் போல தீவிரவாத எதிர்ப்பாளர்களா என்ன?

இஸ்லாமிய தீவிரவாதிகளை போலீஸ் பிடித்தால் உடனே சுட்டுக் கொன்றுவிடவேண்டும் என்று சொல்லுகிற இந்து தீவிரவாதத்தின் குரலாகவே நீ பேசுகிறாய். அப்படிச் செய்யாமல் போலீஸ் இருப்பதில் எரிச்சலடைந்து மிரட்டல் வேலையில் ஈடுபடுகிறாய்.

எந்த மதத்து தீவிரவாதியாக இருந்தாலும் சரி, அவர்களை விசாரிக்காமல் சுட்டுக் கொன்றுவிடவேண்டும் என்று நினைக்கிறவர்கள் சார்பாக புறப்பட்டு வந்தவனும் அல்ல நீ.

அப்படி நினைக்கிறவர்கள் கருத்தை ஏற்பதாக இருந்தால், மசூதியை இடித்து மதக் கலவரங்களை உற்பத்தி செய்த அத்வானியையும், அரசு இயந்திரத்தின் உதவியோடு முஸ்லிம்களை கும்பல் கும்பலாகக் கொல்ல ஏற்பாடு செய்த மோடியையும் சுட்டுக் கொல்ல நீ புறப்பட்டிருப்பாய்.

ஆனால் உனக்கு செலக்டிவ் அம்னீஷியா இருக்கிறது.

நீ என்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் அல்லவே அல்ல. நான், குற்றம் சாட்டப்படுபவர் மோடியானாலும் சரி, முகமது ஆனாலும் சரி முறையான நீதி விசாரணைக்கு உட்படுத்தப்படவேண்டும் என்றே வலியுறுத்தும் சாமான்யன்.

உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் என்று நீ சொல்வது என்னையல்ல என்றால், யாரைப் பார்த்து அப்படிச் சொல்லியிருக்கிறாய்?

படத்தில் இன்னொரு நாயகனாக வருகிற காவல் அதிகாரியைப் பார்த்துத்தான். அதுதான் அசல் அர்த்தம். நாங்கள்தான் எங்களைச் சொன்னதாக தப்பாக எடுத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறோம்.

அந்தக் காவல் அதிகாரி யார்? முதலமைச்சர், தலைமைச் செயலாளர் எல்லாரும் முழு அதிகாரத்தைத் தன்னிடம் கொடுத்தால்தான் பிரச்னையைத் தீர்க்க முடியும் என்று மிரட்டுபவர் அவர். முழு அதிகாரமும் போலீஸிடம் இருந்தால்தான் விசாரணையில்லாமல் சுட்டுக் கொல்லமுடியும் அல்லவா? அவர் கருத்தும் உன் கருத்தேதான்.

கடைசியில் நீ கேட்டபடி அந்தத் தீவிரவாதிகளை ஒப்படைக்கிறார். மூன்று பேர் ஜீப் குண்டில் செத்ததும் நீ அவர் ஆள்தான் என்பது அவருக்குத் தெரிந்துவிடுகிறது.

நீ எந்த இடத்திலும் குண்டு வைக்கவில்லை அது வெற்று மிரட்டல்தான் என்று பின்னர் போனில் சொல்லும்போது அது தனக்கு முன்பே தெரியும் என்கிறார். அப்படி தெரியுமென்றால், நான்காவது தீவிரவாதியை சுட்டுக் கொல்லும்படி அவர் சொல்லியிருக்கத் தேவையே இல்லையே. உன் மிரட்டலை சாக்காக வைத்து அவர் அந்தத் தீவிரவாதிகளை விசாரணை இல்லாமல் கொல்லும் தன் விருப்பத்தை நிறைவேற்றிக் கொள்கிறார் என்பதுதான் உண்மை.

கடைசியில் நீ இருக்கும் இடத்தையும் உன்னையும் கண்டுபிடித்த பிறகு உன்னை சுட்டுக் கொல்லாமல் கை குலுக்கி வழியனுப்பி வைக்கிறார். ஏன்? நீ அவரைப் போல் ஒருவன் என்பதனால்தான்.

காவல் துறை என்கவுன்ட்டர் என்ற பெயரில் விசாரணை இல்லாமல் தான் கொல்ல விரும்புபவர்களைக் கொல்லும் வசதிக்காக, உன்னைப் போன்றவர்களை மறைமுகமாக ஆதரிக்கும் என்பதுதான் உன் படத்திலிருந்து எனக்குக் கிடைக்கும் முக்கியச் செய்தி.

நீ நிச்சயம் என்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் அல்ல. நான் நிச்சயம் உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவனாக இருக்க விரும்பவே மாட்டேன்.

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சென்ற வருடம் மும்பையில் என் பிரிய நடிகர் நசிருதீன் ஷா நடித்த `எ வெட்னெஸ்டே', `ஷூட் ஆன் சைட்' என்ற படங்களைப் பார்த்ததும் இரண்டுமே தீவிரவாதம் தொடர்பானவை என்பதால், ஒப்பிட்டு எழுத நினைத்தேன். தமிழ் வாசகர்கள் இவற்றை டி.வி.டி.களாகக் கூட பார்க்கும் வாய்ப்பில்லாத நிலையில் எழுதுவதற்கான உந்துதல் குறைந்துபோய் விட்டது.

கமல்ஹாசன் `வெட்னெஸ்டே'வை தமிழில் தயாரிக்கிறார் என்ற செய்தி வந்ததும், நிச்சயம் கமல் என்ற ஸ்டாரால் நசீரின் யதார்த்தமான நடிப்பைத் தரமுடியாது என்பதால், தமிழ்ப் படம் ஹிந்தியின் தரத்தில் இருக்காது என்று கருதினேன். டெல்லி கணேஷ் மாதிரி ஒருத்தர் நடிக்க வேண்டிய ரோலில் கமல் நடித்தால் என்ன ஆகுமோ அதுதான் தமிழ் வெட்னெஸ்டேவுக்கு ஆகியிருக்கிறது.

என்னைப் பார், என் நடிப்பைப் பார் என்று ஒவ்வொரு ஃபிரேமிலும் சொல்லிக் கொண்டே நடிக்கும் பாணியில் கமல் என்ற நல்ல நடிகர் சிக்கிக்கொண்டு பல காலம் ஆகிறது. கமல் என்ற நல்ல திரைக்கதையாசிரியர், இயக்குநரையும் அந்த நடிகர் தன் ஆதிக்கத்தின் கீழ் கொண்டு வந்துவிடுவது இன்னொரு சோகம்.

அதனால்தான் படம் முழுவதும் காமன் மேன் சூப்பர் மேனாகவே இருக்கிறான். ஒருவேளை கமல் நடிக்காமல் இயக்கத்தை மட்டும் செய்கிற எதிர்காலத்தில் இது மாறக்கூடும். காமன் மேனை காமன் மேனாகவே காட்டக் கூடும்.

இந்தப் படம் வெற்றிகரமாக ஓடுகிறது என்று சொல்கிறார்கள். மகிழ்ச்சியாகவும் கவலையாகவும் இருக்கிறது. குத்துப்பாட்டு, ஆக்ஷன், ஆபாசம், சென்டிமெண்ட் மசாலாக்கள் இல்லாமல் ஒரு படம் ஆதரிக்கப்படுவது மகிழ்ச்சிதான். ஆனால், இந்தப் படமும் வணிக ஃபார்முலாவுக்குள்ளேதான் இருக்கிறது என்பதும் வித்தியாசமான படம் என்ற முகமூடிக்குள் இருந்துகொண்டு ஆபத்தான கருத்துகளைப் பரப்புகிறது என்பதும் பெரும் கவலையை ஏற்படுத்துகிறது.

சென்சார் விதிகளுக்கு விரோதமான முறையில் டி.வி. பப்பெட் ஷோ வழியே பகிரங்கமான பாகிஸ்தான் எதிர்ப்பு, முஸ்லிம்களை கீழ்த்தரமாகக் கிண்டல் செய்யும் வசனங்கள், வேலைக்குச் செல்லும் திறமையும் உறுதியும் உடைய நவீனப் பெண்ணை வேண்டுமென்றே சிகரெட் பிடிப்பவளாகக் காட்டும் வக்கிரம், கம்ப்யூட்டர் மேதை என்றால் அவன் பார்ப்பனனாகத்தான் இருப்பான் என்று குறிப்பாக உணர்த்தும் அபிவாதயே வசனங்களின் ஜாதியம் போன்றவை ஒரிஜினல் ஹிந்தியில் இல்லாதவை. கமல் தமிழுக்கு அளித்திருக்கும் `கொடைகள்' இவை.

பத்துப் பேரை ஒரே ஆள் தனியாக அடித்து வீழ்த்தும் ஹீரோவும் உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் ஹீரோவும் ஒருவன்தான். ஆர்.டி.எக்ஸ் குண்டுகள் வைப்பது முதல் க்ைளமேக்ஸில் குண்டு வைத்த ஜீப்பை ஒரு பொட்டல் காட்டில் நிறுத்தி வைப்பதுவரை மொட்டைமாடியில் தனியாக இருந்துகொண்டே சாதிப்பது எல்லாம் விஜய் பட ஃபேண்ட்டசியின் இன்னொரு வடிவம்தான்.

மாற்று சினிமா இது இல்லை.இதுவும் இன்னொரு ஏமாற்று சினிமாதான்..
From: joe on Fri Oct 9 22:53:07 2009.

ஞானியின் கட்டுரையில் முழு உடன்பாடு இல்லையெனினும் சில கசப்பான உண்மைகள் இருப்பதை மறுப்பதற்கில்லை
From: Plum on Fri Oct 9 23:03:20 2009.

computer genius(sic) paarpananaA thaan irukkaNumnu avasiyam illai. paarpannAvum irukkalAm. Or is it banned to represent that community in cinema except as parodies of unauthentic accent?
IpdiyellAm argue paNNa epdi? Oru logic-E illa?

It is just a movie, Gnani, get a life.

All gnani's argument are like "apdi En illa, ipdi En irukku?". Common man-nA gnani maadhiri dhaan irukkaNumA? Gnani maadhir common man-Ala, anandha vikatanla ezhudha thaan mudiyum. He cant move heaven and earth to implement his kovam - that plan that the common man does in WED/UPO.
From: joe on Fri Oct 9 23:12:52 2009.

Plum,
நீங்க சொல்லுறதுலயும் கசப்பான உண்மைகள் இருப்பதை மறுப்பதற்கில்லை
From: venkkiram on Fri Oct 9 23:25:20 2009.

1) மேலவளவில் மக்களால் தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப்பட்ட தலித் தலைவர் முருகேசனைக் கொன்றவர்களும் , தருமபுரியில் அப்பாவியான கல்லூரி மாணவிகளை பேருந்திலேயே வைத்து எரித்தவர்களும், மதுரையில் பத்திரிகை அலுவலகத்தைத்தாக்கி அப்பாவி ஊழியர்களைக் கொன்றவர்களும் இது போன்ற எண்ணற்ற தீவிரவாத செயல்களில் ஈடுபட்டவர்கள் பலரும் தமிழகச் சிறைகளில்தான் இருக்கிறார்கள். அவர்களை விசாரணையில்லாமல் கொல்ல வேண்டும் என்ற கோபம் உனக்கு வரவில்லை.

2) இஸ்லாமிய தீவிரவாதிகளையும் அவர்களுக்கு உதவி செய்ததால் ஹிந்து வெடி மருந்து வியாபாரியையும் கொல்லப் புறப்படுகிறாய்.

உனக்கு ஆர்.டி.எக்ஸ் வெடி மருந்து விற்றவன் மட்டும் மகாத்மா காந்தியா ? அவனை ஏன் கொல்லாமல் விட்டிருக்கிறாய்? அவனிடம் ஆர்.டி.எக்ஸ் தொடர்ந்து வாங்கியவர்கள்/வாங்குகிறவர்கள் எல்லாரும் உன்னைப் போல தீவிரவாத எதிர்ப்பாளர்களா என்ன?

3) காவல் துறை என்கவுன்ட்டர் என்ற பெயரில் விசாரணை இல்லாமல் தான் கொல்ல விரும்புபவர்களைக் கொல்லும் வசதிக்காக, உன்னைப் போன்றவர்களை மறைமுகமாக ஆதரிக்கும் என்பதுதான் உன் படத்திலிருந்து எனக்குக் கிடைக்கும் முக்கியச் செய்தி.

4) டெல்லி கணேஷ் மாதிரி ஒருத்தர் நடிக்க வேண்டிய ரோலில் கமல் நடித்தால் என்ன ஆகுமோ அதுதான் தமிழ் வெட்னெஸ்டேவுக்கு ஆகியிருக்கிறது.

5) ஒருவேளை கமல் நடிக்காமல் இயக்கத்தை மட்டும் செய்கிற எதிர்காலத்தில் இது மாறக்கூடும். காமன் மேனை காமன் மேனாகவே காட்டக் கூடும்.

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ஞானியின் மேற்கண்ட கருத்துக்களை நல்லதொரு விமர்சனமாக பார்க்கிறேன். உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் என்ற படைப்பில் தெளிக்கப்பட்டுள்ள கமலின் நுண்ணறிவு அரசியலை எல்லாம் தள்ளி வைத்து விட்டு பார்த்தால் கூட, இன்னும் நஷ்ருதின் ஷா கொண்டுவந்த காமன் மேன் பாத்திரத்தின் இயல்புத்தன்மை இதில் பல மடங்கு இல்லாமல் போய்விட்டதையே உணர்கிறேன். அனுபம்கேர் பாத்திரத்தை முழுவதும் ஓரந்தள்ளிய மோகன்லால் மூலமே ஒரு சிறந்த படைப்பாளியாக பிரகாசிக்கிறார் கமல். அந்த ஒரு விஷயத்திற்காக மட்டுமே கமலிற்கு மகுடம் சூட்டலாம்.

From: P_R on Sat Oct 10 0:43:51 2009.

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எந்த மதத்து தீவிரவாதியாக இருந்தாலும் சரி, அவர்களை விசாரிக்காமல் சுட்டுக் கொன்றுவிடவேண்டும் என்று நினைக்கிறவர்கள் சார்பாக புறப்பட்டு வந்தவனும் அல்ல நீ.

adhellAm part 2-la varudhu.

UPO goes to Gujarat
UPO goes to Ireland not via Kabul etc.

From: groucho070 on Sat Oct 10 1:02:27 2009.

From: MADDY on Sat Oct 10 2:19:20 2009.

computer genius(sic) paarpananaA thaan irukkaNumnu avasiyam illai. paarpannAvum irukkalAm. Or is it banned to represent that community in cinema except as parodies of unauthentic accent?
IpdiyellAm argue paNNa epdi? Oru logic-E illa?

It is just a movie, Gnani, get a life

indha vishayathula indhikaaran, indhikaaran dhaanya, yaaru adichhalum idha thaan solluven

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sat Oct 10 2:21:33 2009.

Thalaivar padathula sombu elements vandha cringe panradhu vera vishayam and for completely different/harmless reasons

(enna Karthi solra?)

On a serious note, there is a certain Tamil section in TN and abroad.
A couple of good friends belong to that category. Though one might find many of their (this category) view points acceptable, often it can be sensed that they have an overwhelming anti-Brahministic mindset (we can see where they are coming from but enga , endha edhula ellam adhu thendpadum nu paatha sogama/vedikkaya irukkum).
They were waiting for a chance for Kamal to show some "chinks" in his rationalist and pro-minority armor. Now, they have pounced. His crime is not his ideology in any interview or film or say, UPO. His crime is being born in a Brahmin house-old. Irony enna na, ivanga kannula Gnani-ye indha section la vandhiduvaar (like Kamal, a Brahmin wearing a "secular"/rational mask) "Gnaniyin sattaikkul neliyidhu poonool".
Joe blog karuthukkalla enakku muzhu udanpaadu - see how Joe criticises and how the others do that. In the case of the latter, whatever Kamal has said or done in the past is just a mask which has been torn in UPO!

indha pakkamum veyyaraainga, andha pakkamum veyyarainga (what we do to Annan Plum, Annan Groucho

)

From: MADDY on Sat Oct 10 2:36:44 2009.

Bala - "Minnale" Madhavan characterisation pathhi enna solluvaanga - Gnaani, paani ellam?? why is it not discussed like this ? they discuss all these points only when they find a brahmin(so-called ) at the creative helm.......is it the problem only with depcting brahmins in good light or is it the problem of brahmins depicting brahmins in good light?

From: MADDY on Sat Oct 10 2:39:56 2009.

venkkiram wrote:

4) டெல்லி கணேஷ் மாதிரி ஒருத்தர் நடிக்க வேண்டிய ரோலில் கமல் நடித்தால் என்ன ஆகுமோ அதுதான் தமிழ் வெட்னெஸ்டேவுக்கு ஆகியிருக்கிறது

Gnaani kanfaarm panni iruppaar and filed a PIL against Kamalhassan if this had happened

Delhi Ganesh: ayyo, naa, neenga, eppadi, prachhani , venaam

From: equanimus on Sat Oct 10 2:53:19 2009.

Interestingly there was some discussion in the comments section of Baradwaj Rangan's blog regarding the same character. What's odd about it was that the folks over there thought the character was actually stereotypical! Two viewpoints at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

This should tell us something. I think, stereotyping or otherwise, brahmins are in some ways "over-represented" in Tamil films. That is, in a sense, the stereotyping is itself a kind of privilege (albeit "adulterated"). How many communities are really represented in our films? Pick any of the well represented communities, you'll find that there are a lot of stereotypes built around them.
From: Sanjeevi on Sat Oct 10 3:32:45 2009.

Plum wrote:

All gnani's argument are like "apdi En illa, ipdi En irukku?".

oru velai appadi irunthu, ippadi illam irunthu iruntha, avaru "apdi En irukku, ipdi En illa?" solluvArungO

இந்த ஞானி!!!, இசை ஞானியை திட்டுனது ஞாபகத்துக்கு வருது. "இவர் ஒடுக்கப்பட்ட மக்களுக்கு என்ன பண்ணினார்?" னு கேட்டார். IR இவர்கிட்ட நல்ல பெயர் வாங்கணும்னா இசை அமைக்குரத விட்டுட்டு சமுக சேவை பண்ணனும் போல.
From: VENKIRAJA on Sat Oct 10 3:48:03 2009.

Vadivelu: avan oru publicity payithiyam...

From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Oct 10 4:01:52 2009.

Yeah terrorists should not ask! But not just him, most of muslim community do not like that movie and they are mad at Kamal. Cool

But Terrorists kellaam intha alavukku kodukka padumaannu kaetka padaathu.. Indra TN la ellaamae possible. Not Worthy

You have been very consistant Since Chandramuki release

2005 - During Chandramuki Release, you checked with sorcerer and confimed whether the Magical things used in the movie is correct

2006 - During VV release, you checked with NYPD and confirmed that the movie had lot of flaws.

2007 - During Shivaji release, you spoke to top economists and confirmed the movie is logically not correct

2008 - During Dasa release, you checked with Bio Technologists and Micro Biologists and the concluded the movie has quite a few ill logical scenes

2009 - now , you have found out that most of the muslim people dont like the movie and mad on Kamal.

From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Oct 10 4:03:35 2009.

ஞானியின் கட்டுரையில் முழு உடன்பாடு இல்லையெனினும் சில கசப்பான உண்மைகள் இருப்பதை மறுப்பதற்கில்லை Embarassed

Enna Joe idhu

He said Delhi Ganes would have done it better than KH.

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Oct 10 5:47:03 2009.

jail letter party baashaa vukkum
spelling mistake & meaning mistake Gnaani kkum
periya paruppu pola cartoon potta blogger vinavu kkum

oru vithyaasamum illai. all are same pond la oorina gaandus/mandus
From: Anban on Sat Oct 10 5:47:41 2009.

as bala said,

sombu vishayangala thittuvom..

but gnani has a point or two atmost.. he need not nitpick soo much..

the crux of the matter is all other types of terrorists have the support of politicians in india.. so, kamal cant make a movie on them in this format...
From: P_R on Sat Oct 10 5:55:43 2009.

equanimus wrote:

Interestingly there was some discussion in the comments section of Baradwaj Rangan's blog regarding the same character.

taramaNi

enna panjAyathu nadanthukittu irukkunnE theriyAma oruthan post paNNoyirukkAn

Kongona-vai authentic-nu sollitaainga. Heart burst aagi padikkuiradhai niruthittEn.
From: jaypeenattu on Sat Oct 10 6:22:46 2009.

the same gnani has not commented on the original. In that also it was the same muslim terrorist. And UPO has got the same storyline. so if people are questioning now it very clearly says their prejudice. why such thought process didnt come to them then

and in any story line we cannot have different problems focussed. Like we cannot have an assorted package of terrorist (one muslim,christian,israeli, hindu etc)
From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 8:08:11 2009.

Equa, of all posts that I have agreed with yours in my hub career _ and there have been scores - this takes the cake. 4-5 linesla essence distill pannitteenga.
I haven't seen upo - the point I was making was general and is summed up by skv above - comprehensive-a all typr terrorist cover panna adhu enna special thali meals-A?

Secondly, computer genius(sic) - enna periya medhai, hcker avLO dhane - edhukku brahmina irukanumnu ketkara why not logic.

As bala said, the sombuness can be opposed for sombuness reasons. Ippo oru musical genius character mudhaliyaarA kattaraangannu veiyunga, En muslim-A katta koodadhA(real lifela apdi oruthar irukkkaaru vera)_nu keppaangaLA?

Seri coming to the other point, brahmins are over represented in movies sari. Most of the times it is caricature. Idhellaam oru perumaiyaa? I personally don't think there is a malicious reason for it - it is easy to create a brahmin apcaricature - how, for instance, does one crete a mudhaliaar caricature? What is the distinct accent, or adayalangal that can have instant recognition as "presto, mudhaliar"! Even a brahmin is a plain vanilla brahmin - not an iyer or iyengar - the identities being constantly mixed up in the same film for the same character so the usual tamil cinema brahmin is how members outside the community perceive as the "common man brahmin". Idhula depending on personal philosophies of director, colours are shaded.this is true of all communities that have those instant recognition features - likie the skull capped, bearded muslim or pipe smoking "what man" christian or the lungi clad madras petta rowdy. Idhellaam lazy research avlo dhaan.

Compli on his blog wrote about koodevide and represemtation of what is called "kanjirapally christian". As an outsider, I could relate to that representatio that is how effective it was. Avan(malyalathu padakaaaran) manasthan, thiramsaali etc. Forget that level, namma eppo current bollywood levelsku poga poromo?
From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 8:14:56 2009.

Dasavathaaram:
Rationalists: kamal brahmin veera tyagi kadhpathram moolam brahmin nilai naataararu
Brahmins: asin kadhapaathram moolama brahminsai kevala paduthararu
Iyers: iyengarism dhaan greatnu prove panna try pandraaru

Enna dhaanya pannuvaaru paavam.
From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 8:18:03 2009.

Prabhu rm, indha heroine vishayathula dhaanyaa - distilling looks opposed to talent; I find that you reject almost all 'accepted' conventionally unbeautiful but hailed as greatly talented ones like konkona, meera etc - nee ilaignannu theriyudu!
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Oct 10 8:26:56 2009.

plum, great !! avarum enna thaan pannuvaaru is the correct answer. Anban too rightly said that movies cannot go beyond certain extent to blame politicians. they r tied up.

orthan hacker aannu parkarathukku avan yaaru enna kulam kothiram nnu kekkura muttaalthanam

what makes him appealable as a hacker is
avan vantha idam, IIT
avan solra bathil - Drop out - hey its my choice!!!
avan laptop pinnaadi ottirukkura stickers

From: RC on Sat Oct 10 10:07:05 2009.

From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Oct 10 10:13:55 2009.

RC wrote:

Didn't you get the same fieeling in "A Wednesday'

From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Oct 10 10:15:42 2009.

Dasavathaaram:
Rationalists: kamal brahmin veera tyagi kadhpathram moolam brahmin nilai naataararu
Brahmins: asin kadhapaathram moolama brahminsai kevala paduthararu
Iyers: iyengarism dhaan greatnu prove panna try pandraaru

Enna dhaanya pannuvaaru paavam.

From: thamiz on Sat Oct 10 10:16:44 2009.

Yeah terrorists should not ask! But not just him, most of muslim community do not like that movie and they are mad at Kamal. Cool

But Terrorists kellaam intha alavukku kodukka padumaannu kaetka padaathu.. Indra TN la ellaamae possible. Not Worthy

நீங்க நான் சொன்னதையும் சொல்றீங்க! சொல்லாததையும் சேர்த்து விடுறீங்க்!

இல்லாததையும் சொல்லாததையும் சொன்னதா சொல்றது ரொம்ப ரொம்ப தப்பு சார்!

From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 10:17:54 2009.

adhellAm part 2-la varudhu.

UPO goes to Gujarat
UPO goes to Ireland not via Kabul etc.

Quote:

how did i miss this howler!

From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 10:20:12 2009.

Thalaivar padathula sombu elements vandha cringe panradhu vera vishayam and for completely different/harmless reasons Laughing

indha pakkamum veyyaraainga, andha pakkamum veyyarainga (what we do to Annan Plum, Annan Groucho )

Ennanga, edhaiyum edhaiyum compare pannareenga! Oru forumla rendu thittu vaangarathukkum...ange avaru padam ezhduhdarachEve check vechuttu nippaingaLonnu creativity-a kattu paduthikka vendi iruppadhum evLO periya kodumai!

From: RC on Sat Oct 10 11:49:01 2009.

RC wrote:

Didn't you get the same fieeling in "A Wednesday'

I did not watch 'A Wednesday' and so no comments on that.
After reading Gnani's article and posting it here, I have been thinking about the article....

Not all common men think alike. Just because that "you" dont agree with "the common man", it doesnt mean that "the common man" is wrong. It is not necessarily Kamal's view (infact it is the view of the author of A Wednesday) but the view of "the Common man".

From: joe on Sat Oct 10 12:18:19 2009.

ஞானி மாதிரி ஆட்கள்லாம் சும்மாவே எப்படா கமல் படம் வரும் ,நோட்டும் பேப்பரும் கொண்டு போய் குறிப்பெடுத்து நாலு ஓ பக்கம் எழுதி ஒப்பேத்திடலாம் -ன்னு வழி மேல் விழி வைத்து காத்திருப்பவர்கள் ..அவர்களுக்கு லட்டு மாதிரி ஒன்றிரண்டு விடயங்கள் கிடைத்தால் விடுவார்களா ? ஈரை எறும்பாக்கி பேனை பெருமாளாக்கி விட மாட்டார்களா? அதில் ஒன்றும் ஆச்சரியம் இல்லை.

இப்போதும் கமல்ஹாசனை பொதுமைப்படுத்த முடியாது என்பதற்கு இவர்களே சாட்சி ..இது பற்றி இன்னும் விரிவாக எழுத வேண்டும்.

Enna Joe idhu

He said Delhi Ganes would have done it better than KH. Evil or Very Mad

From: RC on Sat Oct 10 12:32:28 2009.

I re-read his article he did not say... Delhi Ganesh maadhiri oruththar nadikka vENdiya role-il kamal.... enRu thaan sollirukkar.

I understand his statement. I did see Kamal the actor at times in UPO and not the common man. In my opinion, NizhalgaL Ravi, SatyaRaj (based on his 9 rubaai nOttu), Delhi Ganesh, poornam viswanathan ( if he was alive), Rajesh (I'm sure there are more...) would have done a good job too.

To get Delhi Ganesh his due, he is a good actor.

Enna Joe idhu

He said Delhi Ganes would have done it better than KH. Evil or Very Mad

From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 13:00:06 2009.

Ennadhu shadows ravi? Poornam? Parallell universku vandhuttEnA?

From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Oct 10 13:19:53 2009.

RC wrote:

RC wrote:

Didn't you get the same fieeling in "A Wednesday'

My Question is , When the original movie itself has its own share of flaws but nobidy is criticising that.

From: RC on Sat Oct 10 13:22:26 2009.

Plum: I meant to say these actors would have suited the common man role better. nallaa nadichchiruppaangaLa-nRadhukku naan pOgalai!

From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Oct 10 13:25:02 2009.

Enga urla oru Battar ( Priest in Vishnu templas) was speaking to his collegue that , Kamal did a big mistake by allowing Mallika Sherawat in Vedanta Desigar Madam. during last year.

From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Oct 10 13:35:14 2009.

RC wrote:

If you read between his lines, he meant Delhi G( ofcourse he is a good actor) would have done it better than KH.

I saw the movie twice( first time with my friends and second time with my family). Many audiences liked his performance and terrific response from the audience.. Many(Family Audience) appreciated the movie this time.

This time he strikes a balance between Commercial and Class Audience.

Enna Joe idhu

He said Delhi Ganes would have done it better than KH. Evil or Very Mad

From: MADDY on Sat Oct 10 13:45:37 2009.

Srimannarayanan wrote:

My Question is , When the original movie itself has its own share of flaws but nobidy is criticising that.

it was by some blogger which Bala had posted here......i felt wednesday was much subtler and left a lot for viewers to decide themselves whereas UPO was taking more care to go into details and it had to traverse into unwanted territories.......ex:the main terrorist in Wednesday doesent explain why he became a terrorist but just shares a fun story whereas UPO terrorist goes into the best bakery, modi paaru etc unneccessary details........
From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 14:10:47 2009.

Maddy, adhu kooda illainA, by this time, kamala katti thonga vutturuppainga...ofcourse that is not the reason for kamal to include it. Subtle- thaan irukkanumnum avasiyam illai. See baradwaj's article. One question - dev d subtle-a irundhudhunnu ninaikkareengalaa?
(Vuda maattEn nan )

I think from pr's review, that revolver click thingy is the only thing I'd miss. Other than that other decisions seem fine from writing pov.(Inime naan indha padatha paarkuradhu wastenu nenaikkaren mudinja vaaikkum detaileda paadichaachu)

From: MADDY on Sat Oct 10 14:26:32 2009.

Maddy, adhu kooda illainA, by this time, kamala katti thonga vutturuppainga...ofcourse that is not the reason for kamal to include it. Subtle- thaan irukkanumnum avasiyam illai. See baradwaj's article. One question - dev d subtle-a irundhudhunnu ninaikkareengalaa?
(Vuda maattEn nan Smile

)

I think from pr's review, that revolver click thingy is the only thing I'd miss. Other than that other decisions seem fine from writing pov.(Inime naan indha padatha paarkuradhu wastenu nenaikkaren mudinja vaaikkum detaileda paadichaachu)

kandippa, naa thappu rightunnu sollala but spoon feed panna poi evalavu theva illadha details.....after reading gnani's article, i cant stop wondering why did they use abhivaadaye word there - thevaye illa.....movie became a bit stretched and damp due to "insertion" of such details........

enna poruthha varaikkum idhellam nitpicks dhaan - i really enjoyed the movie.........

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sat Oct 10 14:30:01 2009.

MADDY wrote:

Delhi Ganesh: ayyo, naa, neenga, eppadi, prachhani , venaam
From: Plum on Sat Oct 10 14:34:10 2009.

Maddy, the changes that I have read about I don't see as spoon feeding - more of attempt to balance. Edhukku solrenna, wednesday-va rightist movie-Aa paarthu enjoy panni fist thump panni "indha kaattangalukku idhu dhaanya sariyaana method of punishment"-nu solra pala rightist vadakkathiyagalai/mumbiyergalai naan kaangiraen. In my reading, for pandey, the rightist tilt is a tool to enhance his piece of art, that's all, he really doesn't have a rightist message to give. So, subtle-A irundhalum, even among the wednesday fans, a substantial percentage missed it and enjoyed it for the rightist kick it gives them.

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sat Oct 10 14:44:55 2009.

Plum sonna madhiri spoon feed illa nu nenaikkaren.
If you see the fublic reaction and in Kamal programs and interviews of late in TV, it looks like whatever Kamal wanted to add or modify from the original has either been missed or completely misunderstood (because the additions looked contrived and this was not the right film for it).
Sivakumar's reaction and Kamal's discomfort dhaan ultimate

but i wouldn't blame the makkal or Sivakumar here, i think Kamal has failed here.

From: MADDY on Sat Oct 10 15:02:22 2009.

Plum wrote:

Maddy, the changes that I have read about I don't see as spoon feeding - more of attempt to balance

adhu dhaan backfire aaiduchhunnu PR infer pannittare........naanum adha othhukuren.....

Quote:

So, subtle-A irundhalum, even among the wednesday fans, a substantial percentage missed it and enjoyed it for the rightist kick it gives them.

wednesday-la sila rightist points looked odd but relatively less odd than the ones in UPO........but as i said, i still loved UPO......

on a personal note : i would love to see islamic terrorists die anyday........am i a rightist - yes maybe.......i dont know whether i'm a rightist or leftist when the city i love is being held to ransom by a group of people - watever their cause maybe.......the places i travelled/shopped around in best of my times are being bombed and attacked.......ideologies mean nothing when u r faced with adversity......honestly, u cant just dismiss wednesday as a rightist film........
From: MADDY on Sat Oct 10 15:08:13 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

Sivakumar's reaction and Kamal's discomfort dhaan ultimate

hey i missed it ......andha kalaignar tv "call kamal" programa?? illa vera edhavadha??

From: Movie Cop on Sat Oct 10 22:43:34 2009.

From: P_R on Sun Oct 11 0:43:52 2009.

Sivakumar's reaction and Kamal's discomfort dhaan ultimate ROTFL2

hey i missed it Sad

......andha kalaignar tv "call kamal" programa?? illa vera edhavadha?? Laughing

Yeah adhe thaan.

Prabhu ram, indha heroine vishayathula dhaanyaa - distilling looks opposed to talent; I find that you reject almost all 'accepted' conventionally unbeautiful but hailed as greatly talented ones like konkona, meera etc - nee ilaignannu theriyudu!

neenga avvaiyArA irundhaalum thiRamaiyaaLarai maadhikkira "a young"-aaga irukkeenga.

Edhu eppidiyO talend-ai accept paNNikkurOmla. Saw W-u-S <Plum clicks safety catch> and it is one of her lesser performances, but have to say she is a pretty good actress

From: P_R on Sun Oct 11 0:45:58 2009.

Enga urla oru Battar ( Priest in Vishnu templas) was speaking to his collegue that , Kamal did a big mistake by allowing Mallika Sherawat in Vedanta Desigar Madam. during last year. Twisted Evil

romba mukkiyam

sErAvathathai padathukkuLLa vittadhE thappu

From: P_R on Sun Oct 11 0:49:17 2009.

Plum wrote:

I think from pr's review, that revolver click thingy is the only thing I'd miss.
That is the least of the worries. Naan oru samble-ku adhai sonnEn. adhukkE post neeLamA pOchchu. Terrorist 5 nimishathula primary motivation ellAm kakkura scene

Plum wrote:

Other than that other decisions seem fine from writing pov.(Inime naan indha padatha paarkuradhu wastenu nenaikkaren mudinja vaaikkum detaileda paadichaachu)
neenga padathai paarthE aagaNum. idhu unga open-mindedness-ai paththina panjAyathu.

From: P_R on Sun Oct 11 0:51:04 2009.

I am aslo. enna sonnAru father of the son ?

Sivakumar's reaction and Kamal's discomfort dhaan ultimate ROTFL2

hey i missed it Sad

......andha kalaignar tv "call kamal" programa?? illa vera edhavadha?? Laughing

From: RC on Sun Oct 11 8:51:54 2009.

Are you guys referring to this one?
http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/kamal-17/
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 11 13:54:20 2009.

http://www.eramurukan.in/tamil/magazines.php

சிதறல்கள் 9.10.2009

'உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன்' மகத்தான வெற்றி பெற்ற பிறகு, எழுத்தாளன் என்ற பிம்பம் திடீரென்று (தற்காலிகமாக இருக்கட்டும்) காணாமல் போய், திரைக்கதை-வசனகர்த்தா அவதாரம் எடுக்க வேண்டிய கட்டாயம்.

பத்திரிகைகளில் இருந்து தொலைபேசும் உதவியாசிரியர்கள் கதையோ கட்டுரையோ கேட்காமல் சினிமா பற்றித்தான் வேண்டுகோள் விடுக்கிறார்கள், 'கமல் சாரோடு உங்க நட்பு', 'உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் ரசமான அனுபவங்கள்' இன்னோரன்ன தலைப்புகளில் 450 வார்த்தகளுக்கு மிகாமல் எழுத வேண்டியிருக்கிறது.

உ.போ.ஒ வெளியான பிறகு ஜிமெயில், என் சொந்த இணையத் தள் அஞ்சல் ரெண்டையும் திறந்தால் கொட்டுகிற் கடிதங்களில் பாராட்டு தவிர கண்ணை ஈர்ப்பது - 'டே பா.பன்னாடை' ரக அன்பான அழைப்புகள் கருவறுக்கப் போவதாக மிரட்டல்கள். சகல பக்கங்களில் இருந்தும் மத வேறுபாடு இல்லாமல் வசவு மழை பொழிகிறவர்கள் கமல்ஹாசனையும் விட்டு வைக்கவில்லை. ஒருவர் சிரத்தையாக திட்டி வந்த விமர்சனங்கள், பாராட்டி வந்த விமர்சனங்கள், மொக்கை வகையறா என்று நிறைய் மெனக்கெட்டு யு.ஆர்.எல்களைத் தொகுத்து அனுப்பி இருந்தார். இன்னொருவர் கடிதம்-1, 2, 3 என்று சீரியல் நம்பர் போட்டு கவனமாக விமர்சிக்கிறார். எல்லாருக்கும் நன்றி. அபார்ட்மெண்ட் வாட்ச்மேன் 'சார் உங்க பேர் தினகரன் விளம்பரத்திலே நடுவிலே சிவப்பு கலர்லே வந்திருக்கு' என்று எடுத்து வந்து காட்டியபோது சந்தோஷமாக இருந்தது. படம் பார்த்து பிடித்தவர்களில் அவரும் ஒருவர். Established ஜெய்சங்கர், ரவிச்சந்திரன், ரஜினி ரசிகர்.

கடந்த ஞாயிறு கோவையில் ப்லிம் க்ளப் சார்பில் 'உ.போ.ஒ' கலந்துரையாடல்.கவிஞர் புவியரசுவும், ஹிந்து சுதேஷ் காமத்தின் நண்பரும் குருவுமான ராகேஷும் மற்றவர்களும் ஆழமாகப் படத்தை அவதானித்துக் கேட்ட கேள்விகளுக்குப் பதில் சொன்னபோது, இணையத்தில் கேட்கப்பட்ட ' குப்பன் - சுப்பன்', 'பச்சை வயரை கட் செய்திட்டு சிவப்பையும் நீலத்தையும் இணையுங்க' போன்ற வசனக்ர்த்தா நினைத்துக் கூடப் பார்த்திராத விஷயங்கள் பற்றி எல்லாம் கேள்விகள் பறந்தன.பதில் சொன்னேன்.

படத்தை இத்தனை பேர் பார்த்து அவை நிறைந்து வந்து கேட்கிறார்களே, அது போதும்

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sun Oct 11 14:12:48 2009.

Makkal went for 25th day show (slightly advanced due to logistic reasons) in Shanti today.
Sandiyar Karan takes stock...

Sandiyar Karan wrote:

thanks to all the kamalians who rocked shanthi today....
our saga alihaasan & anthony rocked to the core....due to their shouting & clapping 2 families vacated the theatre by saying that "romba romba kathureenga".... though it is not matched to what we did @ KAASI for 35th day celebration of Vettaiyadu Vilayadu.....we r satisfied.......

2 families - it is fair enough but we have room for improvement!
FDFS @ Shanthi (inside) was even wilder than Dasavatharam first show! Overu.....

From: Bala (Karthik) on Sun Oct 11 14:29:05 2009.

I am aslo. enna sonnAru father of the son ?

Sivakumar's reaction and Kamal's discomfort dhaan ultimate ROTFL2

hey i missed it Sad

......andha kalaignar tv "call kamal" programa?? illa vera edhavadha?? Laughing

Makkal sonnadha thaan sonnaaru ("You have very rightly conveyed that ahimsa is useless, they understand only violence, and also for local terrorism we have to do causal analysis but not for international terrorism etc"), Sir thirutha muyarchikkaraaru.. delicate posshan

From: Anban on Sun Oct 11 14:29:32 2009.

Makkal went for 25th day show (slightly advanced due to logistic reasons) in Shanti today.
Sandiyar Karan takes stock...

Sandiyar Karan wrote:

2 families - it is fair enough but we have room for improvement!
FDFS @ Shanthi (inside) was even wilder than Dasavatharam first show! Overu.....

neenga unga saathanaigala ellorukkum theriyura maathiri eduthu sollalaamla....

oru oru row-va poyi neenga enna panneenga?

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 11 15:07:06 2009.

Idlyvadai blog is depending on UPO for blog hits. From the time of announcement, till now, not even a sumaal movement have been missed.
wherever U(PO) goes I(dlyvadai) follows Total Coverage!! Daanks for the eshtra publikutty (eventho the success is overflowing!!!)

a sumaal kalleksaan of idly-vadai's UPO posts!!

Monday, March 23, 2009 ஒரு புதன்கிழமை – இயலாமையும் இந்திய அரசியலும்
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/03/blog-post_23.html

Thursday, September 03, 2009 உன்னை போல் ஒருவன் டிரெய்லர்
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_2322.html

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 உன்னை போல் ஒருவன் பாடல்கள்
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_09.html

Thursday, September 17, 2009 கமல தளம் - இரா.முருகன்
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_17.html

Friday, September 18, 2009 உன்னை போல் ஒருவன் - FIR
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/09/fir.html

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 கமல் கலைஞர் சந்திப்பு
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_23.html

Tuesday, September 29, 2009 உன்னை போல் ஒருவன் உலகில் இல்லை - கலைஞர் டிவி வீடியோ
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_6102.html

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 தமிழா தமிலா - மாமிகள் விளக்கவும்
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_4340.html

Tuesday, October 06, 2009 கமல் கலைஞர் சந்திப்பு - போட்டி முடிவுகள்
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_06.html

Friday, October 09, 2009 உன்னை போல் ஒருவன் - கடிதங்கள் (Baashaa letter)
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_7466.html

Sunday, October 11, 2009 என்னை போல ஒருவனா நீ - ஞாநி
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_11.html
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 11 15:27:17 2009.

nowadays the moment kamal announces a film, the moment the plot/concept is leaked or publicised, controversy starts, also guessing..

here is a superb examle of how each and every single guess was broken down. the blogger is idly-vadai each of the bold sentence below is disproved!
http://idlyvadai.blogspot.com/2009/03/blog-post_23.html

இத்திரைப்படத்தை தமிழில் கமல் எடுக்கப்போகிறார் என்பது சோகமான செய்தி. ’உங்கள் கதாபாத்திரத்தில் கமல் நடிக்கிறாராமே’ என்று நஸ்ருதீன் ஷாவிடம் கேட்டபோது, ‘எல்லா கதாபாத்திரங்களிலும் அவரே நடித்திருக்கலாமே’ என்றாராம். நல்ல பதில்தான். கமல் இத்திரைப்படத்தை தொழில்நுட்ப ரீதியாக சிறப்பாக எடுப்பார் என்பதில் மாற்றுக்கருத்தே இல்லை.

கூடவே, மூன்று இஸ்லாமிய அடிப்படைத் தீவிரவாதிகளுக்கு பதிலாக மூன்று இந்து அடிப்படைத் தீவிரவாதிகளைக் காண்பிப்பார். இஸ்லாமிய மக்களின் மனத்தில் இருக்கும் அச்சத்தைப் பற்றிப் பேசுவார். இதில் தவறில்லை, ஆனால், இந்துத் தீவிரவாதம் பற்றி மட்டுமே பேசுவார். இந்து நம்பிக்கைகளைக் கிண்டல் செய்யும் வசனங்கள் இல்லாவிட்டால் கமலுக்குத் தூக்கம் வராது. அதேசமயம், இஸ்லாமிய கிறித்துவ நம்பிக்கைகளின் மீதான கிண்டல் சிறிதும் இராது. தேவைப்பட்டால் அதைப் பாராட்டவும் செய்வார். இத்தகைய ஆபத்துகளோடு தயாராகும் ‘தலைவன் இருக்கிறான்’ படத்தைப் பார்த்து எந்தவொரு சாதாண குடிமகனும், நஸ்ருதீன் ஷா அளவு இல்லாவிட்டாலும், கொஞ்சம்கூட கொதித்தெழ மாட்டான் என்பதே கமல் போன்றவர்களின் பலம்.

Inspite of having a dozen eggs on his face, the blogger continues to nitpick kamal, just for publikutty and blog hits
From: joe on Sun Oct 11 21:06:26 2009.

sakala,
pld don't give too much importance to Idlyvadai It is run by a group with clear agendas.
From: marma_yogi on Mon Oct 12 11:15:09 2009.

joe wrote:

sakala,
pld don't give too much importance to Idlyvadai It is run by a group with clear agendas.

Idly Vadai agenda is anti-dravidian parties (DMK, AIADMK)? If I search on anything on web, most time IV comes in top 20. I wish they don't have any agenda and have a constructive approach. (i would rate Rediff also in this category, they seem to incite/support North South divide, Rajini vs other Northie actors etc in most of their posts)

Like SKV pointed out their writing seem to be hyper critical even before UPO shooting started.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Oct 13 2:51:40 2009.

Chennai Box Office from Oct 09th - Oct 11th, 2009

Unnaipol Oruvan is a sort of tale you have seen in Shankar’s movies – one man’s fight against the system. Only that the movie is rather believable than any of its extravagant predecessors. Kamal and Mohanlal’s performance need no elucidation.

Trade Talk:
Until Diwali, Unnaipol Oruvan will head the collections department at the box office. Future course of action will be decided after the performance of Diwali releases.

Public Talk:
Two budding stars have been put on the spotlight by the movie Ganesh and Dr. Reddy.

No. Weeks Completed: 3
No. Shows in Chennai over this weekend: 196
Average Theatre Occupancy over this weekend: 75%
Collection over this weekend in Chennai: Rs. 42,53,730
Total collections in Chennai: Rs. 3.65 Crore

Verdict: Hit
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Source: http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-slide-shows/movie-4/top-ten-movies/tamil-cinema-topten-movie-unnaipol-oruvan.html

From: hattori_hanzo on Tue Oct 13 4:34:07 2009.

Chennai Box Office from Oct 09th - Oct 11th, 2009

Trade Talk:
Until Diwali, Unnaipol Oruvan will head the collections department at the box office. Future course of action will be decided after the performance of Diwali releases.

sabaash. pinraangappa!

From: Bala (Karthik) on Tue Oct 13 4:40:55 2009.

hattori_hanzo wrote:

From: hattori_hanzo on Thu Oct 15 9:48:29 2009.

sabaash. pinraangappa!

Quote:

Verdict: Hit

Yes, pinrainga!

From: Srimannarayanan on Tue Oct 13 13:37:17 2009.

Chennai Box Office (October 9 to 11)

Tuesday, 13 October , 2009, 12:10

The status quo has been maintained at the CBO, in a dull weekend due to Diwali previous effect. At number one is Unnaipol Oruvan, which will lord over the box-office till Diwali releases come along. Eeram a sleeper hit is very strong in multiplexes and is at number two. In the third position is Thiru Thiru Thuru Thuru, playing mostly in multiplexes, in the fourth position is Wake Up Sid, a multiplex hit and in the last place is Ninaithale Enikkum

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14914680&cid=13525926
From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 14 10:25:36 2009.

UPO is going to remove from all the screens in Madurai.
From: thamiz on Wed Oct 14 11:04:35 2009.

RajaRam wrote:

UPO is going to remove from all the screens in Madurai.

hmm
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 14 11:16:48 2009.

RajaRam wrote:

UPO is going to remove from all the screens in Madurai.
collections so far are excellent and it is goind to hold good decent in chennai. other places, oru 60 percent theatres reduction irukkum.

these are days where the profits speak than no of days. for ulaganayagan this is fourth consecutive victory, something which NO other heroes have done in this century, so far

Rajaram Anne, no worries
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 14 15:37:58 2009.

வெகுவாகப் பாராட்டிய கமல்

‘உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன்' படத்தில் வரும் முதல்வர் கருணாநிதியின் குரலுக்குச் சொந்தக்காரர் இசையருவியின் ‘என்னோடு பேசுங்கள்' சீனு. பின்னணி குரல் யாருடையது என்பது கமலுக்கே தெரியாமல் இருந்ததாம். பின்னர் தெரிந்த கொண்ட கமல் சீனுவை அழைத்து வெகுவாகப் பாராட்டி இருக்கிறார். அண்ணாவின் தீவிர விசுவாசியாக இருந்த சிவகங்கை சேதுராசனின் மகன்தான் சேது என்பது கூடுதல் தகவல்.

http://dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Cinema&artid=137872&SectionID=141&MainSectionID=141&SEO=&Title=

வெகுவாகப் பாராட்டிய கமல்

‘உன்னைப் போல் ஒருவன்' படத்தில் வரும் முதல்வர் கருணாநிதியின் குரலுக்குச் சொந்தக்காரர் இசையருவியின் ‘என்னோடு பேசுங்கள்' சீனு. பின்னணி குரல் யாருடையது என்பது கமலுக்கே தெரியாமல் இருந்ததாம். பின்னர் தெரிந்த கொண்ட கமல் சீனுவை அழைத்து வெகுவாகப் பாராட்டி இருக்கிறார். அண்ணாவின் தீவிர விசுவாசியாக இருந்த சிவகங்கை சேதுராசனின் மகன்தான் சேது என்பது கூடுதல் தகவல்.

http://dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Cinema&artid=137872&SectionID=141&MainSectionID=141&SEO=&Title=

From: hattori_hanzo on Thu Oct 15 10:25:31 2009.

thamiz wrote:

RajaRam wrote:

UPO is going to remove from all the screens in Madurai.

hmm

just wanted to check - are there any multiplexes in Madurai?
From: P_R on Thu Oct 15 10:56:02 2009.

Many duplex'es: Sakthi/Sivam (ada ada !), Mappillai Vinayagar/Manikka VinAyagar etc.

One triplex:Cinipriya/Minipriya/ sugapriya
From: Plum on Thu Oct 15 11:18:39 2009.

avaru kEttadhu indha Dev D, Gulaal, Love Aaj Kal, Sid - indha padamlAm pOdara multiplex-ai kEkkarArnu nenaikkarEn?
From: MADDY on Thu Oct 15 11:29:45 2009.

Plum wrote:

avaru kEttadhu indha Dev D, Gulaal, Love Aaj Kal, Sid - indha padamlAm pOdara multiplex-ai kEkkarArnu nenaikkarEn?

kooda vechirukkravangalakku ellam betromax tharadhilla
From: joe on Thu Oct 15 12:39:05 2009.

'உன்னைப்போல் ஒருவன்' முஸ்லீம் சமுதாயத்துக்கு எதிரான கருத்தை விதைப்பதாக எழும்பிய சிலரின் வாதங்களின் அடிப்படையில் சில முஸ்லீம் வலைப்பதிவர்கள் அமீர் மூலமாக கமல் ஹாசனை நேரில் சந்தித்து விவாதித்து விளக்கங்களை பெற்றுள்ளார்கள் ..அது பற்றிய பதிவு
http://muslimarasiyal.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_5400.html
http://www.maraicoir.com/2009/10/blog-post_15.html

bala, Don't miss it.
From: P_R on Thu Oct 15 22:07:27 2009.

joe wrote:

http://muslimarasiyal.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_5400.html

Quite 'appeasing' in general.
Unsurprising.

Just one acadamic point: Kosala is supposed to be South UP-North MP. Afghanistan is Gandhar (Kandahar) where Mahabharata's Gandhari and Shakuni are from. kuzhappittaaplanu ninaikkiREn.

From: Plum on Fri Oct 16 0:53:30 2009.

முஸ்லிம்களைத் தொடர்ந்து குற்றவாளிகளாக சித்தரிப்பது தவறானது மணிரத்னத்தின் தன்னை மாற்றிக்கொள்ள வேண்டும் என்று கமல்ஹாசன் பம்பாய் படம் குறித்து பேட்டியளித்திருந்தார்

I dont remember much about 'Bombay' but is this really true? Even if one grants that Bombay portrayed Muslims in bad light, has Manirathnam been consistently portraying Muslims as terrorists?

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 0:59:54 2009.

P_R wrote:

Quite 'appeasing' in general. Unsurprising

pinna, appeasement dhaane secularism .........i remember ur words that u told me once - marandhu poi kooda oru sense of balance-e kedayadha??

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 1:05:36 2009.

I dont remember much about 'Bombay' but is this really true? Even if one grants that Bombay portrayed Muslims in bad light, has Manirathnam been consistently portraying Muslims as terrorists?

they mean showing islamic terror in roja as the first mistake and by the time bombay came, it was a continous habit

...........wat do they expect maniratnam to show "indian oil" doraisamy was kidnapped by Italian Mafia?

in bombay, he clearly shows provocation from hindu side with hindu fanatics destroying babri masjid which triggers a round of riots.......Maniratnam is the most non-judgemental filmmaker........can u tell me caste of atleast one of his heroes in his 26 yrs of filmmaking?

From: littlemaster1982 on Fri Oct 16 1:07:01 2009.

Alaipayuthey - Madhavan
From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 1:11:20 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

Alaipayuthey - Madhavan

please give me the scene and which caste he belongs to with dialogues
From: littlemaster1982 on Fri Oct 16 1:17:42 2009.

MADDY wrote:

littlemaster1982 wrote:

Alaipayuthey - Madhavan

please give me the scene and which caste he belongs to with dialogues

It's not mentioned anywhere in the film, but I think we can easily infer which caste he belongs to (with the help of a particular scene). Anyway, freeya vidunga

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 1:19:04 2009.

littlemaster1982 wrote:

please give me the scene and which caste he belongs to with dialogues Mad

littlemaster1982 wrote:

Alaipayuthey - Madhavan Wink

It's not mentioned anywhere in the film, but I think we can easily infer which caste he belongs to (with the help of a particular scene). Anyway, freeya vidunga Smile

illa sollunga, i'm really interested to know

.....

From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 1:24:44 2009.

I dont remember much about 'Bombay' but is this really true? Even if one grants that Bombay portrayed Muslims in bad light, has Manirathnam been consistently portraying Muslims as terrorists?

adhaan 'appease' 'ngrOmla

Naan paartha Bombay padathula balance-na balance appidi oru balance irukkum. indha pakkam oru shot. Cut. andha pakkam oru shot. Double hero subject "equal importance" obsession fight maadhiri kaamichiruppainga.

Maniratnam is the most non-judgemental filmmaker........can u tell me caste of atleast one of his heroes in his 26 yrs of filmmaking?

idhu enna argument ??

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Oct 16 1:24:50 2009.

nan solluven, neenga udane athu kamal padam nu solla kudaathu velu naayakkar
From: Plum on Fri Oct 16 1:25:40 2009.

I am not much of a fan of Manirathnam but I find this accusation - and Kamal's almost defensive, "paarunga, en mappillaiye muslim edhirinnu solravan naan" reaction - rather over-the-top.
Kamal says
"ipdi oru padam eduthuttu, avarukku Edhavadhu aachunna enga ponnukku thaane kashtam"

Thats a own goal!
From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 1:27:49 2009.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

nan solluven, neenga udane athu kamal padam nu solla kudaathu velu naayakkar

yes ofcourse ......JK, i remember Arvind samy coming from Pillai background in Bombay too but my whole point he has never been judgmental abt a character or a event on basis of religion/caste - i dont remember any type casting from his movies......kamal accusing him of being anti-islam is unfortunate
From: equanimus on Fri Oct 16 1:31:48 2009.

MADDY wrote:

can u tell me caste of atleast one of his heroes in his 26 yrs of filmmaking?

Yes, and, in my books, it's a good thing to place your characters in some real frame of reference, as against having some "generic" archetypal characters (Ramesh and Suresh as the GM-Senthil duo memorably put it), which by themselves allude to some "type" of people in reality.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Oct 16 1:33:03 2009.

diwali weekend, UPO in strong end

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts1R4XtA
From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 1:35:29 2009.

equanimus wrote:

(Ramesh and Suresh as the GM-Senthil duo memorably put it)

Rames and Sures IIRC

InimE hero-ku Raja-nu pEr vachA fine pOdaNum

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 1:39:54 2009.

haha yea, it is silly when i look at it now......

Maniratnam is the most non-judgemental filmmaker........can u tell me caste of atleast one of his heroes in his 26 yrs of filmmaking?

idhu enna argument ??

i mean kamal, kb, br levelukku mani orutharoda castea vechhi character base panni irukkaara?? mani has the ability to tell stories bypassing details of his choice

From: Anban on Fri Oct 16 1:41:30 2009.

mani avaroda mostly ella characters-ayum upper middle class brahmins-a base panni thaan pannirukkaar

From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 1:43:53 2009.

Maniratnam is the most non-judgemental filmmaker........can u tell me caste of atleast one of his heroes in his 26 yrs of filmmaking?

idhu enna argument ??

i mean kamal, kb, br levelukku mani orutharoda castea vechhi character base panni irukkaara?? mani has the ability to tell stories bypassing details of his choice

As equa said, that way it gives flesh - and invariably also blood - to the characters. So it is not something to be cringed and avoided all the time.

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 1:46:20 2009.

Anban wrote:

mani avaroda mostly ella characters-ayum upper middle class brahmins-a base panni thaan pannirukkaar

ok this is getting diverted - if u can give the movie name, dialogues supporting it - i would be happy to accept..

wat do u have to say abt Kamals meeting with those bloggers??
From: equanimus on Fri Oct 16 1:47:19 2009.

Maddy,
That said, your comment is often valid for Mani Ratnam's films. He does tend to have characters whose identities are in some ways "concealed" -- i.e., what should have been "visible" in some way or the other isn't so in the film.

From: Anban on Fri Oct 16 1:56:55 2009.

mani avaroda mostly ella characters-ayum upper middle class brahmins-a base panni thaan pannirukkaar

ok this is getting diverted - if u can give the movie name, dialogues supporting it - i would be happy to accept..

wat do u have to say abt Kamals meeting with those bloggers?? Very Happy

well, movie analyse panna theriyaatha sila bloggers..

except nayagan, thalapathy, iruvar.. most of his other movies..

From: equanimus on Fri Oct 16 2:15:45 2009.

P_R wrote:

equanimus wrote:

(Ramesh and Suresh as the GM-Senthil duo memorably put it)

Rames and Sures IIRC

AmAm, AmAm. (nInga R 'nAlE RC thAnE!) But Ramesh and Suresh more readily allude to the sort of urban identity I was talking about.
From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 2:27:06 2009.

Yeah yeah I got that.

In UPO some of the incensed reviewers tried to read into the name Kamal gives in the police station: Srinivasa Ramanujam. Incensed because they alleged it was reinforcing 'brahminical' meekness in the identity of the common man.

That it was a false-name and that he was perhaps using that as a metaphor for the uncommon genius hidden under someone who worked as a common clerk at Madras Port, was largely missed.
From: jaypeenattu on Fri Oct 16 5:10:40 2009.

wish all hubbers a happy & prosperous diwali
From: RajaRam on Fri Oct 16 5:43:36 2009.

Sorry for the wrong Information.

UPO is running in 2 theatres in Madurai.(Maappillay vinayagar and Ambiga) removed from only 2 theatres.

இனிய தீபாவளி நல்வாழ்த்துக்கள்.
From: jaypeenattu on Fri Oct 16 5:45:34 2009.

;D

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 5:54:56 2009.

That it was a false-name and that he was perhaps using that as a metaphor for the uncommon genius hidden under someone who worked as a common clerk at Madras Port, was largely missed.

so u mean to imply, all uncommon geniuses are relatives of "triplicane parthsarthy" who wait for license from subbiah/chandru

From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 6:04:19 2009.

naamaLum pOyi kamalai meet paNNuvOmA

btw Best bagery kostinukkum answerukkum uLLa connection yEdhAvadhu thenpattuchchA ?

It reminded me of Vaali Vivek's description of simran's previous suitor's nilamai: thiruppadhila thodarndhu mottai pOttukittE irukkAn
From: Plum on Fri Oct 16 6:08:27 2009.

Indha maadhiri answer-E illadha answer but Edho irukkara maadhiri oru feel kuduthu answer paNNa kathukkaNum. idhu mudiyama thaan corporate ENila Era mudiyala

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 6:13:13 2009.

naamaLum pOyi kamalai meet paNNuvOmA LOL

btw Best bagery kostinukkum answerukkum uLLa connection yEdhAvadhu thenpattuchchA ? LOL

It reminded me of Vaali Vivek's description of simran's previous suitor's nilamai: thiruppadhila thodarndhu mottai pOttukittE irukkAn

as per him, when u talk abt history, such gross misinterpretations will occur.....in this case, say afetr 50 yrs, people would say best bakery-kaaga dhaan kovai kundu vedippu nadandhudhu madhiri

.....

i dunno, thats wat i understood - maybe he meant something else or he didnt want to mean anything there.....

....btw why nobody is asking clarifications from Chakri toletti? reminds me of panchathandhiram

kamal: irunga vandi ottunavara koopidren
chakri, like reddy, among public waving his hands

From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 6:16:30 2009.

as per him, when u talk abt history, such gross misinterpretations will occur.....

adhu first line-la varudhu.

appuram oru 2 pages pEsi urudhu kavidhai ellAm solliyirukkAru

btw why nobody is asking clarifications from Chakri toletti? reminds me of panchathandhiram
kamal: irunga vandi ottunavara koopidren
chakri, like reddy, among public waving his hands

From: Srimannarayanan on Fri Oct 16 6:19:23 2009.

naamaLum pOyi kamalai meet paNNuvOmA LOL

btw Best bagery kostinukkum answerukkum uLLa connection yEdhAvadhu thenpattuchchA ? LOL

It reminded me of Vaali Vivek's description of simran's previous suitor's nilamai: thiruppadhila thodarndhu mottai pOttukittE irukkAn

Offlate his answers are irrelvant to the questions.

From: Aalavanthan on Fri Oct 16 6:43:56 2009.

.btw why nobody is asking clarifications from Chakri toletti? reminds me of panchathandhiram

kamal: irunga vandi ottunavara koopidren
chakri, like reddy, among public waving his hands

Good one..

Chakri was not at all in the limelight. I guess he was there for the audio release for both the versions adhugappuram America poyitaaru pola. Aduthu Salangai Oli part 2 irundhaa thirumbi paarkalaam

From: irir123 on Fri Oct 16 10:27:26 2009.

I dont remember much about 'Bombay' but is this really true? Even if one grants that Bombay portrayed Muslims in bad light, has Manirathnam been consistently portraying Muslims as terrorists?

they mean showing islamic terror in roja as the first mistake and by the time bombay came, it was a continous habit LOL

...........wat do they expect maniratnam to show "indian oil" doraisamy was kidnapped by Italian Mafia? Mad

non-judgemental, or, not, MR is the most UNoriginal, insipid filmmaker when it comes to social issues (such as communalism) - he is better off making films revolving around characters (Mouna Raagam, Nayagan, or Guru) - his social commentaries have been damp squibs, to say the least - for instance, SCARFACE featuring Al Pacino was in equal parts a masterpiece centered around Montana (Pacino), a smalltime crook from Cuba making it big in the drug world of Miami/US, as well as a commentary on how the mass wave of immigration from Cuba included felons/prison inmates cunningly released by Castro

if MR were to remake/adapt SCARFACE in tamil/hindi, he wud probably adapt Pacino's character very aptly to Indian condtions, but wud most likely fail miserably to link the character with any kind of upheaveal - MR simply lacks the ability to think along those lines - IMHO, tats coz of his typical urbane upbringing

even in ROJA, MR was riding piggyback on ARR's score (though it might have been unintentional) - am not sure if ROJA wud have been such a success without the sensation the music created! same goes for 'Dil Se' and 'Mumbai' as well - in this so-called trilogy, the glitz was there in terms of technical brilliance, but MR uniquely failed to capture the communal or social angle (Mrs.Ratnam's effort at bringing to life, a rural story in "Indira" was miserable to say the least)

Kamal, OTOH, is brilliant in these aspects - MAHANADHI is as much a commentary on the struggle/turmoil of a man pitted against circumstances borne out of his own dalliance with greed, as well as his inability to comprehend the vicious nature of a citybred conman - the glitch it all there was any, was perhaps the self-indulgent fight sequences in the jail which had little to do with the central theme/plot, barring perhaps, they were to showcase the transformation of a meek protagonist into a fighting one

with "Hey Ram" Kamal achieved the remarkable feat of combining the most turbulent phase in recent Indian history and how it affects an ordinary man, combining the same with beautiful references to what actually happened (Kamal has liberally 'used' incidents quoted in "Freedom at Midnight" by Lapierre and Collins - but thats ok, since the research done is authentic!)

From: joe on Fri Oct 16 10:33:22 2009.

irir123 wrote:

insipid filmmaker when it comes to social issues (such as communalism) - he is better off making films revolving around characters (Mouna Raagam, Nayagan, or Guru) - his social commentaries have been damp squibs, to say the least

True

From: irir123 on Fri Oct 16 10:36:02 2009.

another good example of a social commentary portrayed in an actioner - "The Dark Knight" - late Heath Ledgers 'joker' was a brilliant peep into what one man can 'achieve' if he were to pull off the lifelines of modern society! the joker's portrayal in this film was a kind of a social commentary of how the collective dependence of a modern society on certain things, can be exploited by one mad man at will! had Alvin Toffler been writing his "Future Shock" now, and had he seen this film, he wud have referred to it in that book!
From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 10:39:21 2009.

irir123 wrote:

am not sure if ROJA wud have been such a success without the sensation the music created!

With due respect Rahman, I certainly think it would have.
It was an incredibly novel film with the traditionally appealing elements. That ensures success. Most watched the film without knowing who the deuce Rahman is and then had a nice things to say about the songs.

Why is this morphing into a Kamal v MR discussion by the way. The discussion was about particular reference to MR by Kamal in the interview. He seemed to be agreeing with a charge brought on MR which is curious. As I said earlier, Bambaai's 'even' balance was very noticeable.
From: Plum on Fri Oct 16 10:43:36 2009.

Yeah, pr, pretty much that's what I wanted to know. Bombay engerundhu anti-muslimla vandhudhu? Then I thought I don't remeber much of that movie so maybe I missed something. You confirmed that.
But there is a bigger point to be made - andha padam eduthadhunala edhavadhu aachunna enga ponnu dhaane kashtapadumnum solli irukkar - that is incredibly irresponsible.
From: Aalavanthan on Fri Oct 16 10:45:46 2009.

There was some definite incident that happened at Mani's house after the movie was released. I guess Kamal might have mentioned about that.
From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Oct 16 10:48:13 2009.

Joe

Sirupaanmayinarin B.R Ambedkar Daakter Kamal

Iruppinum, Nammavar "Mark Antony apology speech" range la konjam pesirukkaar Karan a kootittu poirukkanum pola irukku.... And he pretty much acknowledges the failure of his attempt to balance...

Bombay padam avvalava nyabagam illai but as far as i remember it was kind of "balanced" like PR said but is that the actual problem? I mean, if one were to take a film on Eezham and it turns out to be "balanced" will it be fair? Non-judgmental is not necessarily a good thing always.... Neraya vishayathula naan (naama) "non-judgmental"-a irukkom but the main reason is because of ariyamai, more than anything else - ariyamai and hence the lack of courage to say anything with conviction... I mean yeah i find it odd that Thalaivar supports the allegation but exactly edhukku nu therinja nalla irukkum.

Meedhi kostins adutha part la nu sollirukkaanga... and of course, all this is reported speech... (sattappadi ella caveat um poturradhu )
From: equanimus on Fri Oct 16 10:49:36 2009.

Plum wrote:

But there is a bigger point to be made - andha padam eduthadhunala edhavadhu aachunna enga ponnu dhaane kashtapadumnum solli irukkar - that is incredibly irresponsible.

ada, adhu side note 'nga. I think the main point he wanted to make was his "Mr. Chaudhary-ness" in dealing with the situation.
From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Oct 16 10:51:07 2009.

Can't wait for Mohammed Yousuf Khan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 10:55:05 2009.

equanimus wrote:

I think the main point he wanted to make was his "Mr. Chaudhary-ness" in dealing with the situation.

I found the intree very pandering and very credential-establishing.

"Gandhi took to the streets, why don't you" appidinnu Narasimha Rao-vai paduthinadhellAm
From: Plum on Fri Oct 16 11:00:10 2009.

Equa, sidenotenaalum, the. Implication was that "avaru avangala thakki padam edutha avarukku edhavadhu aayidum, enga ponnu kashtapadum", thereby condoning that it is expected that the rection for making a film like that is harm to the maker! And how exactly is the kashtam to their ponnu a more valid reason for not being against a community as compared to the unfairness of attacking a community?
From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Oct 16 11:00:38 2009.

P_R wrote:

"Gandhi took to the streets, why don't you" appidinnu Narasimha Rao-vai paduthinadhellAm

Aduthu?.....
From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 11:03:34 2009.

Bala (Karthik) wrote:

P_R wrote:

"Gandhi took to the streets, why don't you" appidinnu Narasimha Rao-vai paduthinadhellAm

Aduthu?.....

I didn't get you.
I found it quite funny that he should have made the request to PM. 'If it is not safe for you how is the common safe' is bad reasoning and it is not as if kamal wouldn't know that. So what exactly is Kamal trying to achieve by quoting that to these guys ??

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 16 11:05:42 2009.

irir123 wrote:

for instance, SCARFACE featuring Al Pacino was in equal parts a masterpiece centered around Montana (Pacino), a smalltime crook from Cuba making it big in the drug world of Miami/US, as well as a commentary on how the mass wave of immigration from Cuba included felons/prison inmates cunningly released by Castro

if MR were to remake/adapt SCARFACE in tamil/hindi, he wud probably adapt Pacino's character very aptly to Indian condtions, but wud most likely fail miserably to link the character with any kind of upheaveal - MR simply lacks the ability to think along those lines - IMHO, tats coz of his typical urbane upbringing

u mean to say Al pacino starrer SCARFACE is a great movie and maniratnam cant remake it and hence he is unoriginal, inspid filmmaker....seri ok, Maniratnatha pathhi thevayana azahvu discuss pannittadhu naala, i;ll skip this......

do u agree to the charges that Maniratnam was anti-islam in Bombay? thats the question - is Kamal right in calling Mani so?....Bala & otherskkum idhe kelvi dhaan

From: Plum on Fri Oct 16 11:09:38 2009.

Ok, let me take a step back. The very necessity of explaining himself to these guys was a flawed notion.
From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Oct 16 11:10:11 2009.

MADDY wrote:

Bala & otherskkum idhe kelvi dhaan

Already answered (By the way, Bala vs others!)

I find it odd because the last time i saw Bombay it didn't strike me as anti-Muslim so the charge against Mani is surprising. It would be interesting to know why he maintains that stand

From: irir123 on Fri Oct 16 11:10:53 2009.

Maddy - nammalai yen ippadi kuzhappareenga ?? MR might re-make SCARFACE well, as far as portrayal of the central character is concerned - but he wud not be able to capture the social aspects of the original - thats the point am making

will get back on the other part of your question shortly

irir123 wrote:

From: Bala (Karthik) on Fri Oct 16 11:12:11 2009.

P_R wrote:

So what exactly is Kamal trying to achieve by quoting that to these guys ??

Why did these guys go to Kamal in the first place? What was the question asked to which he is quoting this incident?

Quote:

கேள்வி : அப்போது பிரதமர் நரசிம்மராவைக்கூட சந்தித்தீர்களே?
From: joe on Fri Oct 16 11:14:39 2009.

PR,
ஒரு பேச்சுக்கு ... நரசிம்மராவ் வீதியில இறங்கி நடந்துட்டாலும்

From: P_R on Fri Oct 16 11:15:58 2009.