Sindhanai Selvar Dr.Kamal HaasaR - favourite movies,scenes,s

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• From: alwarpet_andavan on Mon Nov 20 23:48:15 2006.

  In avaL appadithAn, in the scene where Aandavar reads a letter from his father, there is a voice-over reading the letter. It sounded like Ananthu's voice. Can anyone confirm this pl?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Nov 20 23:54:37 2006.

  recently saw MMKR, performance and charecter diffrentiation by kamalji, kekkave vendaam...........apart, there is a 'kalavi'nice song by IR, sivaraaththiri........somehow that was pointed as the "most .........." song at that time, i dunno but when i saw the same, again, now, it seemed nothing "such" was there in that song.....why that hype was there, i dunno
  
  on a healthy discussion, can anyone list all the 'kalavi' songs of aandavar, and rate the best........i think iam not on wrong track, everything, of aandavar is for discusssion
  
  
  
  

• From: rachel on Tue Nov 21 0:00:02 2006.

  sindhanai selvar
  
  ennennomo ellam solrannga...onnumae puriyala
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 0:06:29 2006.

  puriyalanna vitrungalen..........last 10 years aaga, kamal padaththukku padam totally different, kamal, aalum every year transformation aagiraar, kamal fans naangal athai follow pannugirom, oru problem enraal aandavar eppadi think(sinthanai) seivaar enru kooda engalukku theriyum.......thalavarin manasu puriyum engalukku.....ungalukku puriyalanna vitrunga thappillai
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Nov 21 0:18:13 2006.

  Nalla title.........
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Tue Nov 21 1:29:56 2006.

  Nice Title man
  
  Sindhanai Selvar mattum alla... Saadhanai Selvarum kooda
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Nov 21 1:31:50 2006.

  rachel wrote:

  sindhanai selvar ennennomo ellam solrannga...onnumae puriyala

  ungalukku puriya, tiltle-a onnume illai...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 1:39:07 2006.

  1. nehthu raaththiri
  2. nila kaayuthu
  3. ponmenu uruguthey
  4. sivaraaththiri
  4. vaazavaikkum kaathalukku
  
  anything more???
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Nov 21 1:48:49 2006.

  Meendum meendum va...
  Poo potta dhavani... [SPB/Janaki 'antics' are dman hilarious! ]
  Vanithavani[?]
  
  When it comes to the worst , it has to be that Maharasan song...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Nov 21 2:03:53 2006.

  yeeaaa jodi manja kuruvi
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 2:18:31 2006.

  Polladha madana panam thakirichi(Hey Ram)
  
  Naan pooveduthu vekkanum pinnala (Naanum Oru Thozhilali)
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Nov 21 2:20:51 2006.

  Rajkumar_mj wrote:

  Polladha madana panam thakirichi(Hey Ram) Naan pooveduthu vekkanum pinnala (Naanum Oru Thozhilali)

  this line was criticised vehemently by aandavar just before virumandi release in an interview with madan.... that interview had some punch dialogues also...
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 2:22:41 2006.

  Unnai vida (Virumandi)
  
  Nooru Nooru Mutham poo pole (Indiran chandiran)
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Tue Nov 21 2:24:20 2006.

  not sure unnai vida but Indiran Chandran that song mayor will be dancing with his asst and a japanese.. i remember the music but not lyrics
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 3:41:57 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Rajkumar_mj wrote: Polladha madana panam thakirichi(Hey Ram) Naan pooveduthu vekkanum pinnala (Naanum Oru Thozhilali) this line was criticised vehemently by aandavar just before virumandi release in an interview with madan.... that interview had some punch dialogues also...

  
  
  i remember those punches, it was a general warning to krishnaswaami kind of politicians,,there was some music too, i was surprised to see aandavar doing such things, but anyway for the unnessesary tortures, he went trough, what he did was correct
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 3:43:21 2006.

  alwarpet_andavan wrote:

  Meendum meendum va... Poo potta dhavani... [SPB/Janaki 'antics' are dman hilarious! ] Vanithavani[?] When it comes to the worst , it has to be that Maharasan song...

  
  
  vanithamani was from vikram and that was niot a kalavi song i think, there was one with some north indian actrss, its a dream song in the second half, i think its meendum meendum vaa
  
  poo potta thavani - what film is this from?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 3:44:22 2006.

  the last kalavi song from aandavar should be heyraam, virumaandi is not 'that' much
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 3:49:19 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  vanithamani was from vikram and that was niot a kalavi song i think, there was one with some north indian actrss, its a dream song in the second half, i think its meendum meendum vaa poo potta thavani - what film is this from?

  
  
  This is from Kakki Sattai.
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Tue Nov 21 3:52:53 2006.

  Rajkumar_mj wrote:

  Unnai vida (Virumandi) Nooru Nooru Mutham poo pole (Indiran chandiran)

  
  
  The way Kamal dances, especially at the beginning of the song, was awesome....
  
  

• From: great on Tue Nov 21 3:53:09 2006.

  Salangai Oli
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Tue Nov 21 3:53:49 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  alwarpet_andavan wrote: Meendum meendum va... Poo potta dhavani... [SPB/Janaki 'antics' are dman hilarious! ] Vanithavani[?] When it comes to the worst , it has to be that Maharasan song... vanithamani was from vikram and that was niot a kalavi song i think, there was one with some north indian actrss, its a dream song in the second half, i think its meendum meendum vaa poo potta thavani - what film is this from?

  
  
  That was Dimple kapadia-man, wasn't she gorgeous
  
  Rumours were flying around the time that KH&she were having an affair as both of them did back-to-back films-Saagar(Hindi)&Vikram.
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Tue Nov 21 4:05:28 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  recently saw MMKR, performance and charecter diffrentiation by kamalji, kekkave vendaam...........apart, there is a 'kalavi'nice song by IR, sivaraaththiri........somehow that was pointed as the "most .........." song at that time, i dunno but when i saw the same, again, now, it seemed nothing "such" was there in that song.....why that hype was there, i dunno on a healthy discussion, can anyone list all the 'kalavi' songs of aandavar, and rate the best........i think iam not on wrong track, everything, of aandavar is for discusssion

  
  
  
  When the MMKR audio was released, this song and "Katha kelu" songs were not there - but instead another two songs "Aadi pattam" and a song in female voice were there.
  When I watched the movie - the Sivarathiri song was a pleasant surprise
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 4:19:34 2006.

  Manasu Mayangum Mouna Geetham padu (Sippikkul Muthu)
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 4:21:49 2006.

  breadpuli wrote:

  When the MMKR audio was released, this song and "Katha kelu" songs were not there - but instead another two songs "Aadi pattam" and a song in female voice were there. When I watched the movie - the Sivarathiri song was a pleasant surprise

  
  
  Why that "Aadi Pattam thedi parthu" song was not shown in the movie ?
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Nov 21 12:51:42 2006.

  inchi idupazagi- from thevar magan..
  nee our kadal sangeetham..- nayagan
  i dunno the song ..(from soora samharam)
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Nov 21 22:56:28 2006.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  inchi idupazagi- from thevar magan.. nee our kadal sangeetham..- nayagan

  
  They aren't 'matter' songs in the sense Sakala meant
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  i dunno the song ..(from soora samharam)

  
  Naan enbadhu nee allavo devadevi.... [superb prelude!]
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Nov 22 9:34:44 2006.

  alwarpet_andavan wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: i dunno the song ..(from soora samharam) Naan enbadhu nee allavo devadevi.... [superb prelude!]

  I think it is Arunmozhi's debut song.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Nov 22 14:54:00 2006.

  The title card of Hey Ram says " En Aasan ananthuvirkku ithu samarpanam" as hey Ram came immediately after Ananthu's death...
  
  Infact Ananthu has directed some excellent movies like Sigaram and Oru Veedu Iru vaasal For Kavithaalaya...
  
  All the credits in KB movies mentions Ananthu as Kadhai vasanathil Udhavai - Ananthu... I think KB stole it all from Ananthu... To prove it, no KB movie or serial was a hit after Ananthu's period...
  
  Ironically, Rajini was also bred by Ananthu (there are always byproducts , when you try to refine for Gold or Petrol). In that program in Sun TV, he comes and neeli kaneer vadichuttu povar...
  
  PS:
  a post by kamal vignyaani vignesh from orkut... slightly edited to suit our hub
  
  

• From: Nerd on Wed Nov 22 14:57:09 2006.

  And you forgot to mention who was the by-product there
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Nov 22 15:01:03 2006.

  Nerd wrote:

  And you forgot to mention who was the by-product there

  kettu sollattumaa.. b'cos its not my article..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Nov 22 15:08:30 2006.

  Nerd wrote:

  And you forgot to mention who was the by-product there

  actually ur comprehending skills seems to be pathetic..
  
  

• From: Nerd on Wed Nov 22 15:24:43 2006.

  NO. It is not pathetic, the way that article is worded is pathetic, gives false notions, thats why I needed a confirmation
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Nov 22 19:14:32 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  The title card of Hey Ram says " En Aasan ananthuvirkku ithu samarpanam" as hey Ram came immediately after Ananthu's death...

  
  In fact it is more poetic than that. You see a pic of Ananthu with his writing pad and beside that u see the poem below read out by Kamal:
  
  இங்குதான் அனைத்துமே
  போவதென்ப தெவ்விடம்
  உமது நல்ல சீடருள்
  அவர்கள் புனையும் கதைகளுள்
  பல்கி வாழ வாழ்த்துவேன்
  அந்தம் அறு அனந்தனை
  
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  In that program in Sun TV, he comes and neeli kaneer vadichuttu povar...

  who ? which program in Sun TV ?
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  I think KB stole it all from Ananthu... To prove it, no KB movie or serial was a hit after Ananthu's period...

  Respecting Ananthu is one things but this is an extreme allegation. Was Ananthu part of KB's team even during the early stage-play days ? I don't know. And I think they split ways somewhere midway and there even the central theme in Sigaram is itself rather self-deprecatory. Am not even sure if they collaborated till Ananthu's end on all of KB's TV ventures. If you have any info about that it will make an interesting discussion, otherwise it will be difficult to take the allegation ,against one of our most important directors, too seriously.
  
  I think Oru Veedu iru vaasal was also directed by KB.
  
  

• From: thamiz on Wed Nov 22 19:24:50 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  All the credits in KB movies mentions Ananthu as Kadhai vasanathil Udhavai - Ananthu... I think KB stole it all from Ananthu...

  
  
  So what are you saying EXACTLY?
  
  Did anandhu talk to you personally and said that KB STOLE his story and got credit for it by sidelining him ?
  
  Or this is just your "herbal petrol theory" which will dissolve in the thin AIR!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Nov 22 19:30:07 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: All the credits in KB movies mentions Ananthu as Kadhai vasanathil Udhavai - Ananthu... I think KB stole it all from Ananthu... So what are you saying EXACTLY? Did anandhu talk to you personally and said that KB STOLE his story and got credit for it by sidelining him ? Or this is just your "herbal petrol theory" which will dissolve in the thin AIR!

  
  I suppose that they are his feelings.. he would have phrased it differently if Ananthu had managed to call him to explain things
  
  

• From: thamiz on Wed Nov 22 19:34:18 2006.

  Ask him to keep his feelings with himself. "Stealing" is a BIG WORD. Just a coincidence is NOT ENOUGH to accuse anybody!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Nov 22 19:38:38 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Ask him to keep his feelings with himself. "Stealing" is a BIG WORD. Just a coincidence is NOT ENOUGH to accuse anybody!

  
  The HUB is all about expressing one's feeling dude/dudette Anyways just kidding, I guess that does come across as a serious allegation, but he must be having a reason for it,i guess...
  
  

• From: thamiz on Wed Nov 22 19:45:32 2006.

  Of course one can express his feelings. But this kind of sweeping statements are JUST TOO MUCH. Especially when Ananthu never made any comments on KB or whatsoever.
  
  Well when we say someone copied some hollywood movie, we do show the 'plot of the movie' matching with the Tamil movie. We dont just accuse someone without any evidence or whatsoever, I believe!
  
  

• From: The Boss on Wed Nov 22 19:54:19 2006.

  haha nice title yar
  i think kamal had best preformance in aboorva sagotharargal. till today he has not said how he did that role.
  
  

• From: smith on Fri Nov 24 11:46:42 2006.

  I think KB owes some of his success to ananthu. The reason I say this is that kamal always held ananthu in very high esteem & that cannot be without reason. Ananthu also showed his talents in the only film he directed "Sigaram".
  
  Coming to kamal's best performances, there are many but for totality, I would single out nayagan, guna & anbe sivam.
  
  Especially guna. He was simply brilliant.
  
  Satyaraj came out after seeing the film & said that only 2 films have really moved him. One was paasamalar & the other was guna.
  
  

• From: great on Fri Nov 24 13:07:24 2006.

  Watch Sigappu Rojakkal @ 11 P.M , K. TV
  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on Fri Nov 24 13:08:41 2006.

  great wrote:

  Watch Sigappu Rojakkal @ 11 P.M , K. TV

  
  
  Thank u
  
  

• From: great on Fri Nov 24 13:11:12 2006.

  
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 24 13:12:32 2006.

  Sigappu Rojakkal
  
  

• From: romio on Fri Nov 24 14:18:52 2006.

  Sigapu rojakal is one of best psycho suspence thriller
  it has been remaded in hindi with rajeshkhanna as red rose
  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156014/
  
  i liked both kamalji & rajesh khanna perfomance's
  
  

• From: romio on Fri Nov 24 14:22:50 2006.

  i think chimbu manmathan story idea is inspired from sigapu roja
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Nov 24 14:24:40 2006.

  Chanakyan Climax.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsl4HwNC7pM
  Watch Kamal's expressions towards the end as the Chief Minister asks him explain the situation to the police.
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 24 14:30:33 2006.

  romio wrote:

  i think chimbu manmathan story idea is inspired from sigapu roja

  
  
  U've hit bulls eye
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Nov 24 15:02:32 2006.

  Chanakyan BGM. And ofcourse Kamal doing his push-ups.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRhaWtEA0YA
  
  

• From: romio on Fri Nov 24 15:52:10 2006.

  Quote:

  U've hit bulls eye

  
  
  bulb macha simbu's vallavan inspired from Padayappa
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Sat Nov 25 0:15:23 2006.

  romio wrote:

  Quote: U've hit bulls eye bulb macha simbu's vallavan inspired from Padayappa

  
  
  
  
  
  

• From: kamalsurya on Sat Nov 25 8:00:42 2006.

  So in total simbu is not original He is does not have his own brains he can be a follower but nvr a leader like KAMAL or rajini
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Nov 28 13:51:50 2006.

  kamalsurya wrote:

  So in total simbu is not original He is does not have his own brains he can be a follower but nvr a leader like KAMAL or rajini

  
  
  You got the point.. Surya..
  
  

• From: thamiz on Tue Nov 28 19:13:55 2006.

  I cant beleive you guys are after the kid!
  
  Let us look at the facts>
  
  Simbhu is able to direct a movie when he is in early twenties and he did get a decent critical acclaim from critics if not from Kh fans!
  
  What was Kh doing at this age?
  
  May be working as a dance master or showing up in some worthless characters in KB's movies like arangERRam?
  
  Or anything bettter than that?
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 19:42:48 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  I cant beleive you guys are after the kid! Let us look at the facts> He was able to direct a movie when he is in early twenties and he did get a decent critical acclaim from critics if not from Kh fans! What was Kh doing at this age? May be working as a dance master or showing up in some worthless characters in KB's movies like arangERRam? Or anything bettter than that?

  
  Simbhu was able to direct a movie cuz his father is himself a producer/director etc etc etc and had a footing the industry, where as Kamal was a newcomer with no cinema background, who was doing anything that came by his way..
  You dont have to appreciate his talents, but you could resist from posting trash
  
  

• From: thamiz on Tue Nov 28 19:48:45 2006.

  True, he has back up from his dad. And his dad was NOBODY when oru thalai raagam ws released.
  
  He struggled enough to achieve the status he has achieved today.
  
  His son does not have to go through that again!
  
  

  Quote:

  You dont have to appreciate his talents, but you could resist from posting trash

  
  
  This is THE FIRST TRASH in this thread! Someone called ulaganaayagan brought trash here.
  
  GO Talk to him!
  
  Not to me!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 19:53:07 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  True, he has back up from his dad. And his dad was NOBODY when oru thalai raagam ws released. He struggled enough to achieve the status he has achieved today. His son does not have to go through that again! Quote: You dont have to appreciate his talents, but you could resist from posting trash This is THE FIRST TRASH in this thread! Someone called ulaganaayagan brought trash here. GO Talk to him! Not to me!

  
  
  Now you have gone to TR, well your logic is appalling,
  Should learn to ignore dimwits like urself...
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 19:58:12 2006.

  Besides if you dont like somebody talking bad about simbhu or whoever, your reply should be specific to that person.. You had no freakin reason to bring Kamal into the post..Your posts just indicate that you are a dumb kid who just wants to draw attention with your senseless posts..
  
  

• From: thamiz on Tue Nov 28 20:07:44 2006.

  Quote:

  You had no freakin reason to bring Kamal into the post.

  
  
  Talk to nov and rr and become a moderator FIRST! Then I would follow your " rulz" as I have to follow the rules here!
  
  Until then, your 'partial ruling' and 'dictatorship' will not work no matter even if you claim yourself as the ULAMAGANAYAGAN or whoever heck you think as you are !
  
  DO YOU UNDERSTAND?????
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 20:20:27 2006.

  
  
  

• From: imsai on Tue Nov 28 21:34:40 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  I cant beleive you guys are after the kid! Let us look at the facts> Simbhu is able to direct a movie when he is in early twenties and he did get a decent critical acclaim from critics if not from Kh fans! What was Kh doing at this age? May be working as a dance master or showing up in some worthless characters in KB's movies like arangERRam? Or anything bettter than that?

  
  
  ticket ticket
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Wed Nov 29 11:11:55 2006.

  Hi guys:
  
  Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH unncessarily into picture. That's for sure. His experience,knowledge,ability ..Man..How could you think to compare KH with some ...school boys... I know he will become big.
  
  Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure. Please don't do it. If you don't like it just leave his thread or don't post unwanted things about him. Once again, I don't have any personal agonly against you. Since we are diehard fans,we could not tolerate it. He is the best role model for the current generation after NT.
  
  Even manmadhan is a ulta of SR and and Vallavan had the terrific pallan role(KR inspiration of KH) and padayappa resemblence.
  
  I am sure, simbu will come big. B'cos at this age he is trying so many things. But KH is Marvellous and he couldn't compared like this. Alteast not in this thread.
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Wed Nov 29 11:52:06 2006.

  Thamiz times r changing... no actor ever thought of direction those days....
  
  Simbu did it bcoz his dad is a multi tasking man in cinema too.... so he should have learnt it too... for Kamal it was a tougher road...
  
  Simbu worthlessly copies Rajini and Vijay where one is original and one is already half rajini copy...
  
  Watch Vallavan only the camera is good otherwise he has a very long way to go...
  
  Manmadhan i seriously doubt if it was directed by SImbu... but anyhow u cant compare simbu with KAMAL... lets see if he can get a national award in another 10 years...
  
  

• From: great on Wed Nov 29 11:58:13 2006.

  Chimpa ( ) pathi kamal threadla ennapa discussion
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Nov 29 13:19:37 2006.

  http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/
  
  is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Nov 29 13:33:13 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/ is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru

  
  Here is the translated link in English. Appadi onnum vithiyasama sollidala. But as you said, the snaps are cool.
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Wed Nov 29 15:00:53 2006.

  V V - 100 th DAY wallpapers
  http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/thalaivar/Wallpapers/ShowWallpapers.aspx?Wallpaper=VV100
  
  Bangalore Dr.KAMAL Fans Wishing Alwarpet Almighty in Dhina Sudar Daily (Bangalore Edition)
  http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/Birthday/2006/ShowBirthday2006.aspx?Birthday=DhinaSudar
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Wed Nov 29 15:01:51 2006.

  thAi thamizh school Welfare event photos - part 2
  http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/Birthday/2006/ShowBirthday2006.aspx?Birthday=Welfare2
  
  

• From: kamalsurya on Wed Nov 29 22:54:19 2006.

  alwarpet_andavan wrote:

  V V - 100 th DAY wallpapers http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/thalaivar/Wallpapers/ShowWallpapers.aspx?Wallpaper=VV100 Bangalore Dr.KAMAL Fans Wishing Alwarpet Almighty in Dhina Sudar Daily (Bangalore Edition) http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/Birthday/2006/ShowBirthday2006.aspx?Birthday=DhinaSudar

  
  
  
  
  Hope it goes on for another 100 days Thalaivar look too cool in the 1st poster
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Nov 30 2:17:40 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/ is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru

  entha language-nu puriyala, aana.... we can see that he has given 9/10 for this movie..
  
  

• From: NOV on Thu Nov 30 2:37:08 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/ is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru entha language-nu puriyala, aana.... we can see that he has given 9/10 for this movie..

  it is german
  
  click on the british flag on the top right corner and you can get a rough translation of the whole page.
  
  

• From: thamiz on Thu Nov 30 11:27:12 2006.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Hi guys: Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH

  
  
  This is a thread for Kh. And so, it should read, please do not bring school boy Simbhu here who is nowhere near by Dr.Kh ! I wholeheartedly agree with that.
  
  

  Quote:

  Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure..

  
  
  That was not my intention. All I wanted to tell the folks here was, you DONT HAVE TO STEP ON simbhu's face to raise the status of Dr. Kh- who is already way up. And that too, in the sindhanai selvar doctor Kh thread, what is "simbhu doing here" I wonder!
  
  But I know you guys (especially the ulaganaayakan cant write a single post without getting personal on hubbers) go on get personal on me and always plead innocent!
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Nov 30 11:29:58 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: Hi guys: Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH This is a thread for Kh. And so, it should read, please do not bring school boy Simbhu here who is nowhere near by Dr.Kh ! I wholeheartedly agree with that. Quote: Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure.. That was not my intention. All I wanted to tell the folks here was, you DONT HAVE TO STEP ON simbhu face to raise the status of Dr. Kh- who is already way up. And that too, in the sindhanai selvar doctor Kh thread, what is "simbhu doing here" I wonder! But I know you guys (especially the ulaganaayakan cant write a single post without getting personal on hubbers) go on get personal on me and always plead innocent!

  
  
  we gotta be lucky to see you cry for Simbhu
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Thu Nov 30 21:23:55 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: Hi guys: Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH This is a thread for Kh. And so, it should read, please do not bring school boy Simbhu here who is nowhere near by Dr.Kh ! I wholeheartedly agree with that. Quote: Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure.. That was not my intention. All I wanted to tell the folks here was, you DONT HAVE TO STEP ON simbhu's face to raise the status of Dr. Kh- who is already way up. And that too, in the sindhanai selvar doctor Kh thread, what is "simbhu doing here" I wonder! But I know you guys (especially the ulaganaayakan cant write a single post without getting personal on hubbers) go on get personal on me and always plead innocent!

  
  
  
  

• From: Surya on Tue Dec 5 20:07:37 2006.

  Paartha Mudhal Naale - Vetaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu
  
  I LOVE THIS SONG! Even though it isn't original since it was allegedly lifted from a church song, the picturization and Kamal/Kamalini are Excellent!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DudMy7UeKyk&mode=related&search= - Quality is Surpricingly good for Youtube.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Dec 5 22:35:28 2006.

  Surya wrote:

  Paartha Mudhal Naale - Vetaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu I LOVE THIS SONG! Even though it isn't original since it was allegedly lifted from a church song, the picturization and Kamal/Kamalini are Excellent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DudMy7UeKyk&mode=related&search= - Quality is Surpricingly good for Youtube.

  my aunt who lives in a small town, never evinced any interest in kamal movies... she said that VV is her favourite movie in recent times.. i was very surprised... she also said that, the main reason for liking to VV is this paartha mudhal naale song.... i personally congratulated thaamarai for writing such great lyrics in VV...
  
  

• From: Surya on Wed Dec 6 15:21:23 2006.

  Wow! Yeah! the lyrics are really good!
  
  U personally congradulated meaning u saw her or called her or something?
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Wed Dec 6 15:24:18 2006.

  The best in VV IMO is
  
  MANJAL VEYIL.... superb music... superb voice... very good picturization
  
  

• From: Surya on Wed Dec 6 15:26:34 2006.

  bulb_mani wrote:

  The best in VV IMO is MANJAL VEYIL.... superb music... superb voice... very good picturization

  
  
  Gautham Dances for a few mins in that song! A bit cheezy though because u have the white and black ppl singing a tamil song. Never the less entertaining.
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Wed Dec 6 15:27:07 2006.

  
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Dec 7 1:34:18 2006.

  Surya wrote:

  Wow! Yeah! the lyrics are really good! U personally congradulated meaning u saw her or called her or something?

  i met her and congratulated her...
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Dec 7 4:26:36 2006.

  Surya wrote:

  Paartha Mudhal Naale - Vetaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu I LOVE THIS SONG! Even though it isn't original since it was allegedly lifted from a church song, the picturization and Kamal/Kamalini are Excellent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DudMy7UeKyk&mode=related&search= - Quality is Surpricingly good for Youtube.

  
  
  Good lyrics - agreed !! Manjal Veyyil and Karka Karka were better I feel. Overall it was a good job done by Thamarai.
  
  I have not heard the church song - but paartha muthal naaLE tune reminds - thenmEkku paruva kaatru - in karuthamma. Specially the the charanams.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Dec 7 5:04:20 2006.

  thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai..
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Thu Dec 7 10:51:01 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai..

  
  
  Is thamarai also involved in Dasa project? If so, it will be awesome.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Dec 7 12:46:39 2006.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai.. Is thamarai also involved in Dasa project? If so, it will be awesome.

  i do not know..
  
  

• From: great on Thu Dec 7 13:01:31 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: Aandavan wrote: thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai.. Is thamarai also involved in Dasa project? If so, it will be awesome. i do not know..

  
  
  I guss Vaali is penning the lyrics for Dasa
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Sat Dec 9 2:59:50 2006.

  somewhere i read abt VRMBBS
  
  my fav scene in that movie is that conversation btw Pr and Kamalji!
  
  "Revit ... revit you don know? ...." can anybody post that dialogue?
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Sat Dec 9 4:08:53 2006.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  somewhere i read abt VRMBBS my fav scene in that movie is that conversation btw Pr and Kamalji! "Revit ... revit you don know? ...." can anybody post that dialogue?

  
  Not sure about this one, but talking about VRMBBS, the scene i liked was again a conversation between Kamal and Pirabhu. Its the scene where they discuss Paapu's betrayal sitting on a ledge,Kamal drunk.. Kamal's modulation, esp his sudden shift to sadness was outstanding.. The dialogue starts like '' Naan enna sonnen, enna da sonnen..''.
  
  

• From: villan007 on Sat Dec 9 4:12:52 2006.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Not sure about this one, but talking about VRMBBS, the scene i liked was again a conversation between Kamal and Pirabhu. Its the scene where they discuss Paapu's betrayal sitting on a ledge,Kamal drunk.. Kamal's modulation, esp his sudden shift to sadness was outstanding.. The dialogue starts like '' Naan enna sonnen, enna da sonnen..''.

  
  
  vatti ,naan naalaikE doctor collegela sErndhu medical aavanum
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Sat Dec 9 4:17:12 2006.

  .. He bears an innocent look all through that sequence, that was what made the scene funny.. Simply Kamal!
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Dec 11 11:26:08 2006.

  a great scene in Kaadhala Kaadhala ...
  
  Soundarya :
  
  ungalukku Modern painting pidikkaatha, enna athu verum penaathalunu sollreengalaa??
  
  
  
  
  Aandavar:
  
  enna ippidi solleeteenga!! Modern Theatres pola oru studio varumaa??????
  
  oru 10 bread packet line-aa vatchaa, ethu Modern bread-nu solla mudiyumaa??
  
  
  
  

• From: mazhaichaaral on Wed Dec 13 6:52:17 2006.

  villan007 wrote:

  Ulaganayagan wrote: Not sure about this one, but talking about VRMBBS, the scene i liked was again a conversation between Kamal and Pirabhu. Its the scene where they discuss Paapu's betrayal sitting on a ledge,Kamal drunk.. Kamal's modulation, esp his sudden shift to sadness was outstanding.. The dialogue starts like '' Naan enna sonnen, enna da sonnen..''. vatti ,naan naalaikE doctor collegela sErndhu medical aavanum

  
  appuram andha paapuva kalayanam kattikanum
  appuram vittu vittu sirichutruka paathiya avana vidama sirikka vaikanaum
  
  prabhu:sari...kalaila pesikalam
  
  kamal:ennada bodhaila pesurennu nenaikiriya....oru hero na soldradha senju kaatanum appathan avan hero
  
  
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Wed Dec 13 7:22:17 2006.

  Another Scene in VRMBBS
  
  Thlaivasal Vijay : Athukully
  
  Thalaivar : Venam Unga kailey kodukkuren.
  
  
  Perfect Timing.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 14 3:44:38 2006.

  Quoting alwarpet_andavan from the other post:
  
  
  Yes but he is an admitted influence [Remember reading a couple of interviews where he mentions him]
  Sellers was a master of multiple-roles and accents.. He has even played an Indian in The Party...
  
  Interestingly, 10A reminded me of Dr.Strangelove initially... Now Monty Python Holy Grail and The Fiendish Plot Of Dr.Fu Munchu come to mind..
  
  However, i guess Aandavar will surprise us all on the screen.
  
  
  I find Sellers to be the closest in terms of performance. Kamal's slapstick is a mix of Chaplin and Sellers antique from the Pink Panther movies.
  
  Saw The life and death of Peter Sellers the other day. Very sad.
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Thu Dec 14 3:51:33 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Saw The life and death of Peter Sellers the other day. Very sad.

  
  Yeah... I thought Jim Carrey was the funniest and weirdest character i've seen until i saw the "Life and Death of Sellers" and a few of his movies... He didn't have any personaility of his own. Literally. He *became* [cliches are bad!] the character he was playing.
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Thu Dec 14 12:30:09 2006.

  http://mazedmind.blogspot.com/2006/11/sagalakala-vallavan-master-of-all-arts.html
  Sagalakala Vallavan – Master of all Arts!!!
  
  Hey everyone!!!! It’s been such a long time since I posted on my blog. It feels good to be back. Feels like a big achievement that after months of bad luck with my comp and lot of other personal lows, I’ve finally managed to sit down today to write something.
  
  And guess what (or rather whom) I have been itching to write about??!! About this great actor and human being named ‘Kamal Hassan’! Whew!!!! Now that is so different from what I always write about. Or actually is it? You decide after you have read the post.
  
  Before I start saying what I want to, let me introduce this guy for the benefit of those who have no clue of the Tamil movie stars (now that is a subtle way of saying my blog is read by people all over the world;)). Kamal Hassan is one of the greatest movie stars of this era. I am sure everyone would agree to that though many may not want to accept it publicly. He has acted in countless number of movies since his childhood days. He has won many accolades for his performances. He is 54 years old and is still re-inventing himself with every movie.
  
  Now for the real story.
  
  I have always been a fan of Kamal Hassan since my childhood. And when I say I am fan, I don’t mean to say I watch every movie of his or that I am there for the first show of his every movie. I am actually not even one of those fans who will swear that each and every performance of his and every movie of his is mind blowing. But what I do say is that this is one man who has made the profession of acting and the movie industry highly respectable in my eyes.
  
  The whole idea of writing about how I feel about this human being occurred to me after I watched his recent movie ‘Vettaiyadu Vilaiyadu’. I am sure all Tamil movie goers would have watched the film by now. And I am also pretty much sure that everyone would agree that the movie was really well made and that Kamal has once again proved that he is a cut above the rest! I for one was so enthralled by the movie and by Kamal’s performance that I was raving about the movie(which included Kamal’s looks as well;)) for more than a week. I must also mention here that the director of the movie Gautham Menon moved up a few notches in my ‘favourites’ list. It was a mind-blowing movie, though many (especially men) did think that it was very disturbing as it dealt with the story of a serial rapist and murderer. However, I would say that the movie was made to be disturbing as it left some serious thoughts in the viewers’ heads long after the movie was over.
  
  So, like I said earlier, after I watched this movie I spoke so much about it to my friends and everyone that after each conversation I started thinking a little about this person. I thought about how this man has dedicated his life to the art of acting. Many of his movies totally shock us as to what lengths he goes to in each of his movies to look the part he is playing. His movies also clearly show us that this is one man who has done his homework to almost become the character he is playing. In each of his movies there is something new. Sometimes it is the make-up, sometimes it is his singing ability that comes to the fore, sometimes it all the new technical stuff he has introduced in film making; the list is endless. Another important point that many people fail to recognize in his movies is the subtle messages each of his movies carries. Of course, in all the movies the hero plays the good guy fighting for a cause and the cause is pretty much clearly outlined in the first few scenes of the movie. However, in all of Kamal’s movies (especially the ones that he has acted in the last decade or so) have real important messages laced into the story, but it is not blaring enough for the masses to understand. Now, that is why Kamal does not command a fan following like Rajinikanth (the superstar of Tamil filmdom)! Coming back to the point about messages, let me mention a few. Remember this movie ‘Peiyar Sollum Pillai’ - the message there was about abolishing casteism. ‘Kurudhipunal’ was about the life ( the real emotions and tribulations) of commandos. ‘Mahanadhi’ was a very disturbing movie about the life of children who lose their parents, but one of the messages I liked in the movie was in a song which teaches the children about how not to fear devils and demons and how they are all just a myth. ‘Anbe Sivam’, my all time favorite movie (I personally think it is one of the best movies ever made) is about ‘Love’. It so subtly highlights the message that ‘Love is God’. I think it is a movie that every human being who really wants to live a meaningful life should watch and probably save a copy for posterity. Another recent one ‘Virumaandi’ was about the death sentence. I could just go on and on. But this not all that I want to talk about.
  
  The most important thing that I wanted to talk about in this post is about how Kamal Hassan is an inspiration to people who want to make a difference in this world. Think about this. We all look up to extraordinary professionals such as Scientists, Doctors, Lawyers, Entrepreneurs, IT professionals, etc. and talk about how we want to be like them. But hardly does any parent show the example of an actor to his/her child to make them understand what it takes to be a successful and extraordinary human being. Including me, I think all of us just look at movies as entertainment and movie stars as glamorous people who do a job they are paid for. But think again. Think again about this guy named Kamal. He was a school drop out and became an actor to fulfill his father’s dream. But he chose to make a difference through the medium that God had offered to him. He dedicated his life to this art of acting. Though a school drop-out he is well read and highly knowledgeable and speaks impeccable English and Tamil. He is a great dancer, a great orator and someone who walks his talk. And hey, I almost forgot this one! He is amazingly good looking, even at the age of 54 (I am so fascinated with his looks that I was telling Ganesh that I wouldn’t mind marrying him at the age of 54, if I get a chance!!). The next one is a little dicey but I have to say it. I am sure many of YOU, don’t like the way he leads his personal life (frankly, who are we to comment on his personal life?), but think again. However flamboyantly you would say he lives his life, he has been very honest and forthright. Now that calls for some real appreciation given that none of us on the face of this earth is perfect and that many of us don’t have the guts to own up to our mistakes. Now tell me, what more does one need to make Kamal his/her idol and look up to this man to live one’s life more successfully and meaningfully?
  
  I could go on and on about this guy. But it is time to stop as I guess I have exceeded all acceptable limits of a blog post!! So I will just conclude by saying, “Kamal Hassan for me is a person who has pushed the limit for something he believes in - the medium of cinema to share his knowledge and his experiences. And I sure would be proud to introduce him to the next generation as one of the greatest men to walk this earth!” I am sure I have stretched all your reading limits, but I have to say this before I go. I always think about this guy and say to myself, “If only I have half of this guy’s dedication to whatever my cause on earth is, I would be successful in making a huge difference to this planet I live in.”
  
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 14 23:27:15 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  a great scene in Kaadhala Kaadhala ... Soundarya : ungalukku Modern painting pidikkaatha, enna athu verum penaathalunu sollreengalaa?? Aandavar: enna ippidi solleeteenga!! Modern Theatres pola oru studio varumaa??????

  
  
  Sorry I brought this out again. Office colleagues got worried when they heard me chuckling suddenly.
  
  Initially, Kathala Kathala was so and so for me. But on subsequent viewing I find it to be very funny. The same with Panchatanthiram (mainly because I can't stand Simran) but later when I manage to blank out Simran, I began to enjoy this movie too.
  
  I think that's how it is with Kamal's comedy. It's always layered, and since you are busy laughing, you tend to laugh over next funny line.
  
  I must have watched MMKR over more than 50 times and I still find something new in it.
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Dec 15 0:02:29 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  The same with Panchatanthiram (mainly because I can't stand Simran) but later when I manage to blank out Simran, I began to enjoy this movie too.

  
  Oh, you're not the only one
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Fri Dec 15 0:18:39 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Sorry I brought this out again. Office colleagues got worried when they heard me chuckling suddenly. Initially, Kathala Kathala was so and so for me. But on subsequent viewing I find it to be very funny. The same with Panchatanthiram (mainly because I can't stand Simran) but later when I manage to blank out Simran, I began to enjoy this movie too. I think that's how it is with Kamal's comedy. It's always layered, and since you are busy laughing, you tend to laugh over next funny line. I must have watched MMKR over more than 50 times and I still find something new in it.

  
  
  
  
  Me too whenever i watch MMKR there is something we get new either a comedy or the direction brilliancy or technology use. Credit Also goes to Crazy Mohan
  
  
  Coming to Kathala Kathala, there are lot more including Kamal who dont like that in first attempt. During college days some of us used to talk abt the comedy dialogues comes in the picture. Several who too watched before were wondering whether some of those scenes really came The way we were talking they had watched it one more time.
  
  The biggest problem of that movie is it was dramatic. We dont get a feeling that it is a movie
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Dec 15 0:32:28 2006.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Me too whenever i watch MMKR there is something we get new either a comedy or the direction brilliancy or technology use. Credit Also goes to Crazy Mohan

  
  
  
  They just use plain old masking technique that MGR and Sivaji used during their time.
  
  And look at how brilliantly they came out. Current day CG still have rough edges around them.
  
  The brilliance of MMKR comes mainly from Kamal's screenplay. The way he introduces characters in the beginning, all interconnected. And then, once we audience are familiar with them, he moves on in breakneck speed (literally sometimes). A lot of people were confused, especially during the climax scene where all four Kamal looks alike. But during subsequent viewing, those who complained admitted the enjoyability factor of this movie.
  
  This movie deserves award, for its writing and most importantly for Kamal's performance. Of course, those award people are mostly humourless bunch of bores entertaining their constipation problem.
  
  Sorry, got outta line there.
  
  If only comedy was given the respect the same way as Drama - MMKR would sweep many awards.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Fri Dec 15 1:12:28 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  This movie deserves award, for its writing and most importantly for Kamal's performance. Of course, those award people are mostly humourless bunch of bores entertaining their constipation problem. Sorry, got outta line there. If only comedy was given the respect the same way as Drama - MMKR would sweep many awards.

  
  
  You are right. Comedies are not given due respect by award commitee. I too used to feel MMKR deserves an award for Kamal. Doing Comedy itself is difficult and that too when 2 Kamal's and 4 Kamal meets at the same place and maintaining the humour is very difficult. Your timing has to be 200% accurate. And Kamal is brilliant in that also !!!!!!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Dec 15 20:47:50 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  The brilliance of MMKR comes mainly from Kamal's screenplay. The way he introduces characters in the beginning, all interconnected.

  Exactly. Brilliant writing. The way the movie travels from one thread to another is fantastic.
  
  One sequence starts with the the the police raid on Michael's press, goes on to the chase till he rams it into hotel meter causing the circuit (with the slyly slipped in Kushboo's first line : maaNbigu kuthuviLakkai amaichar Etri vaippAr ). Enter Raju, the saviour and even rambambam followed by the confrontation with pathAn and Kameswaran's intro (aaraakkum adhu plate-Oda vegetablesai thookki adikkaradhu ?) proceeds onto the whole hullaballoo at the KalyAna Mandapan ending with thiruttu paatti slapping Kameswaran.
  
  From here it cuts to Avinaashi sucking up to Madan. This is the first time in the last half an hour or so that there has been an abrupt change of scene (understandably to allow for the presumable time lapse). Half an hour of well packed sequcnes without a whole (even managing to insert a song !)
  
  Several more like this in this film that one can go on quoting. Rarely ever do you find a scene abruptly inserted or hanging from nowhere. Everythings flows with unbelievable precision. Even amongst Kamalwritten films this is one of the finest screenplays.
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Sun Dec 17 0:23:44 2006.

  Despite being mesmerised by kamal, i have failed to list many of his countless golden gems...here is one of those that i enjoyed watching.
  
  In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying. But what makes it very remarkable is when Kamal shows some "manliness" since in foresight Kamal will take over from shivaji later as the village bigwig. The way he modulates his emotions with the gowravam like attitude is amazing to say the least. And when IR understands the situation and displays the music with slow build up of melancholy instead of going all pathos with the carnatic violin..that whole scene can be just used as a guidance for future directors.
  
  In that whole movie Kamal displayed himself as a easygoing youth with fearing respect for the father...but after the death of shivaji he shows a mature individual who commands respect...the significance of change here is enough to carry the film by itself.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Dec 17 15:54:53 2006.

  Hulkster wrote:

  In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying. But what makes it very remarkable is when Kamal shows some "manliness" since in foresight Kamal will take over from shivaji later as the village bigwig.

  Actually Kamal does cry out hard. A minute or so following Peria ThEvar's death we have everything in slow motion. Sakthi spills the books and runs to the bedside and crying his heart out loud with other folks of the house joining him.
  
  But the audio from the scene is replaced by the beautiful chorus humming by IR which is a prelude to vaanam thottu pOnA. So we don't actually 'experience the crying'.So it is a short crying scene with a longer emotional impact due to slow motion. It is immediately followed by the scene at the ghat where his brother is stone drunk and Sakthi has to take over the 'responsibilities' already. No tears here, but as you have pointed out, is indicative of the overt takeover that follows in the scene after this - IR's music continuing after a short silent break (for the get-up change).
  
  A very smart bunch of scenes.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Sun Dec 17 18:21:48 2006.

  [quote="Prabhu Ram"]

  Hulkster wrote:

  In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying..

  
  
  In contrast to this, Kamal unleashed emotional hell Virumaandi (grandmother's death). I liked the way he sank into helplessness, alternating between calling her 'thaiye' and 'naiye'. This scene pretty much established that Virumaandi was capable of little without his doting grandmother. The following scene at the funeral when he gtes drunk nails this even further.
  
  

• From: mazhaichaaral on Sun Dec 17 21:13:59 2006.

  [quote="Kumar"]

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hulkster wrote: In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying.. In contrast to this, Kamal unleashed emotional hell Virumaandi (grandmother's death). I liked the way he sank into helplessness, alternating between calling her 'thaiye' and 'naiye'. This scene pretty much established that Virumaandi was capable of little without his doting grandmother. The following scene at the funeral when he gtes drunk nails this even further.

  
  
  eppa periya manushanugala....ellarum mannichukonga...pongada!
  
  that scene was extremely funny...
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Sun Dec 17 22:01:55 2006.

  Prabhu ram..i guess i do not remember that scene that vividly as well...apologies
  
  I think this has been discussed before i also enjoyed Kamal's comical elements with a police like body language in that movie. The role did not require strong dialogue delivery or imposing attitude like shown in earlier movies by actors who portrayed police roles. The opening scene where he mocks the villain with anger yet covering it with humour and crude language was very realistically done. In fact the only reason i watched VV was for Kamal's role only...he actually makes the film very realistic. People call it underplayed but i think kamal made it to perfection...giving loud police dialogues wunt suit the character and kamal rightly made it convincing
  
  

• From: TamilMoon on Mon Dec 18 3:24:16 2006.

  his all recent movies
  
  

• From: Saamy on Thu Jan 11 6:14:23 2007.

  My friend just sent me a sms to watch Mahanadi in Sun Tv now. But, unfortunately i am in Office. It is One of the BEst movies ever made. PLease Discuss abt this timeless classic here.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jan 11 16:37:59 2007.

  Saamy wrote:

  My friend just sent me a sms to watch Mahanadi in Sun Tv now. But, unfortunately i am in Office. It is One of the BEst movies ever made. PLease Discuss abt this timeless classic here.

  Hi Saamy welcome to the Hub. We have had some enjoyable dicussions about the film in the past here. Why don't you kick off the discussion about certain aspects of the feel that appeal to you immensely. We will discuss about it here. The more specific the more enjoyable.
  
  

• From: Saamy on Thu Jan 11 21:14:15 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Saamy wrote: My friend just sent me a sms to watch Mahanadi in Sun Tv now. But, unfortunately i am in Office. It is One of the BEst movies ever made. PLease Discuss abt this timeless classic here. Hi Saamy welcome to the Hub. We have had some enjoyable dicussions about the film in the past here. Why don't you kick off the discussion about certain aspects of the feel that appeal to you immensely. We will discuss about it here. The more specific the more enjoyable.

  Thanks Mr.Prabu .
  
  Mahanadi had one of the best dialogues ever in Tamil cinema.
  
  In the climax,
  
  Villain: Oh, finance company party-aa. Un ponna naan onnum pannala, antha hanifa thaan supply pannaan.
  
  Kamal: avan supply nee thaan da demand.
  
  (since kamal used two english words, the villain starts speaking in english, which is very very realistic.)
  
  Kamal: Naan Tamil medium-la padichavan, Tamil-a pesu.
  
  it evokes a laughter , inspite of being placed in a very serious situation.
  
  

• From: nerdy on Fri Jan 12 2:38:25 2007.

  WHole movie has nice dialogs(By KH and Ra.Ki. Rangarajan ,Great acting and Nice music.
  
  Rajesh :"Krishna Indha kalahula Nermaya irrukiradha vida Porumaya irukkiradhu than Nalladhu"
  
  In Another scend Kamal to Suganya
  
  "Endha Ulagathula Nallavanukku kedaikkavendiya ellathyum, Kettavankku THooki kodukkrangale"
  
  

• From: nerdy on Fri Jan 12 2:55:34 2007.

  Tow days back i saw Hey Ram again.
  
  I dont know whether it has posted here.
  
  Kamal was practising to Shoot "Gandhi" with Guns in his house and slept. And he woke up in the early morning due to the sounds from "Marghazi Bajani Ghost".
  
  Normally in Thamizh movie shows early morning as " Sun in the Beach" or " Hen crooning".But here Early morninng was shown by "Margazhi Bajanai Kootam"
  
  Another thing is Gandhiji died on end of Jan. That is "Thai Matham". And he was practising with Guns in Margazi madham.
  
  Again he proved that he is one the good writer /director of our country.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Jan 12 12:41:32 2007.

  Saamy wrote:

  Villain: Oh, finance company party-aa. Un ponna naan onnum pannala, antha hanifa thaan supply pannaan. Kamal: avan supply nee thaan da demand.

  
  I am actually not too impressed with the Mahanadhi climax, which except for one strong visual point in the end, is rather ordinary for such a great film (particularly the post jail reunion !!!).
  
  The highlight line of the confrontation is the dialogue that preceeds this where VenkatAchalam brutally asks : "nee endha poNNOda appA ?"
  
  In his subtle and mischievous indictment of religion (a recurrent theme in this film and in Kamal's work in general), Krishnaswamy will also say : " avan kasAppu kadai vachurikkAn. piLLaikkaRi kEkkuravan nee". The climax itself begins when VenkatAchalam is in the middle of a poojai when called by Dhanush.
  
  Re. Hey RAm, that was a nice one nerdy. I saw that scene first when the movie was telecast on Sun TV (Aug 15 2002). They had snipped it in the theatre I saw it in Madurai apparently to 'save time'. It was such a brilliant scene (including the hideous Gandhi cartoon in the background in the wall), taking all of 30 secs. Cutting it gained nothing but we lost such a beautiful and subtle scene.
  
  At the beginning of the scene the room is lit by the powerful lamp he is working under. Until the window is opened we don't know the time of the scene. When it is opened we see a very early morning blue light streaming in. Recall the first lines in the movie spoken by SAket Jr.: "Oh Vidinjuduththaa ? ThaathAvOda room-la raathiri pagalE theriyAdhu"
  
  SAkEt is married just before independence. On Independence day he is Calcutta (so is Gandhi). Shortly upon his return from Calcutta, he is shown to leave for Maharshtra with Mythili. This had to happen immediately as the film requires they be there by DusherA, which is usually in September. And they do leave abruptly thanks to SAkEt getting pissed off with the astrologer ChAri.
  
  

• From: nerdy on Fri Jan 12 13:04:13 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  I am actually not too impressed with the Mahanadhi climax, which except for one strong visual point in the end, is rather ordinary for such a great film (particularly the post jail reunion !!!). The highlight line of the confrontation is the dialogue that preceeds this where VenkatAchalam brutally asks : "nee endha poNNOda appA ?" In his subtle and mischievous indictment of religion (a recurrent theme in this film and in Kamal's work in general), Krishnaswamy will also say : " avan kasAppu kadai vachurikkAn. piLLaikkaRi kEkkuravan nee". The climax itself begins when VenkatAchalam is in the middle of a poojai when called by Dhanush. Re. Hey RAm, that was a nice one nerdy. I saw that scene first when the movie was telecast on Sun TV (Aug 15 2002). They had snipped it in the theatre I saw it in Madurai apparently to 'save time'. It was such a brilliant scene (including the hideous Gandhi cartoon in the background in the wall), taking all of 30 secs. Cutting it gained nothing but we lost such a beautiful and subtle scene. At the beginning of the scene the room is lit by the powerful lamp he is working under. Until the window is opened we don't know the time of the scene. When it is opened we see a very early morning blue light streaming in. Recall the first lines in the movie spoken by SAket Jr.: "Oh Vidinjuduththaa ? ThaathAvOda room-la raathiri pagalE theriyAdhu" SAkEt is married just before independence. On Independence day he is Calcutta (so is Gandhi). Shortly upon his return from Calcutta, he is shown to leave for Maharshtra with Mythili. This had to happen immediately as the film requires they be there by DusherA, which is usually in September. And they do leave abruptly thanks to SAkEt getting pissed off with the astrologer ChAri.

  
  
  
  I am very much impressed with Your narrative skills and knowledge
  Really you are the one of the Sindhani Selvar of this Hub.
  
  
  I would like you to post more about Hey Ram and Virumandi in this thread.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Jan 13 15:33:41 2007.

  nerdy wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: I am very much impressed with Your narrative skills and knowledge Really you are the one of the Sindhani Selvar of this Hub. I would like you to post more about Hey Ram and Virumandi in this thread.

  
  
  Same here
  Please keep posting...
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Sat Jan 13 16:10:18 2007.

  [quote="Kumar"]

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hulkster wrote: In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying.. In contrast to this, Kamal unleashed emotional hell Virumaandi (grandmother's death). I liked the way he sank into helplessness, alternating between calling her 'thaiye' and 'naiye'. This scene pretty much established that Virumaandi was capable of little without his doting grandmother. The following scene at the funeral when he gtes drunk nails this even further.

  
  
  I saw this movie in Chinthamani - Madurai. I went with my friends. One of my friend actually losed his dear grandmother in the previous week. He was normal and enjoying the movie. Once this particular scene was screened...followed by 'Mada Vilaka..' thats it, he started to cry,it continued till the interval...! He was crying like a baby and we couldn console him.After the movie he said "Kamal's acting after his grandmother death was simply mindblowing and I couldn control MY emotions, it brought my grandmother to the picture" as he was saying... he started again ... !
  
  

• From: OnMyWay on Sun Jan 14 0:34:42 2007.

  Hey Ram lae visual cues neraya undu..there is this scene after
  "Isaiyil Song.." when Kamal would be led to meet the king and they would choose kamal for the assasination attempt.
  Right before that scene kamal would be shown being led through marshy land and then as he keeps walking the floor in the room would be shown to resemble a chess board. To visually imply kamal is being set up for the job.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Jan 14 11:52:24 2007.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  I saw this movie in Chinthamani - Madurai. I went with my friends. One of my friend actually losed his dear grandmother in the previous week. He was normal and enjoying the movie. Once this particular scene was screened...followed by 'Mada Vilaka..' thats it, he started to cry,it continued till the interval...! He was crying like a baby and we couldn console him.After the movie he said "Kamal's acting after his grandmother death was simply mindblowing and I couldn control MY emotions, it brought my grandmother to the picture" as he was saying... he started again ... !

  
  That's Kamal
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Jan 14 19:28:43 2007.

  Thanks folks. nerdy konjam overAgavE pOyitteenga. I am
  
  Let's proceed a little bit longer with MahAnadhi and it is very apt and dialogues. Most lines flesh out the character of the speaker better.
  

  nerdy wrote:

  Rajesh :"Krishna Indha kalathula Nermaya irrukiradha vida Porumaya irukkiradhu than Nalladhu"

  
  One of the more interesting characters in the movie is MuthusAmy, played by RajEsh. He is shown to be a person who adheres to the law even though he understands that the law and justice hardly ever go together.
  
  His introductory scene is on the visitors day and he questions YamunA & co. 's overstay: "manu irukkudhA ? orutharukku dhAn anumadhi". When PanchApakEsan whispers the relationship to him, his expressions softens but not his position: "OhO, appidiyA. AnA rules-nA rules dhAn" , defining his character completely in the very first oppurtunity.
  
  He explain the rules lifelessly, seemingly detatched from the importance to the words he is speaking : "naanga reNdu pErum kAdhalikkarOm" (IR springs into action here)
  
  In his next scene, where he interevenes when TulukkAnam tries to snatch the letter from Krishna, his lines show that he knows his authority means next to nothing: "avan kitta romba vachukkAthe"
  Rectitude only increases the need to play it safe from the crooks. It does not provide one the freedom to walk with his head held high fearlessly. You need to fear craftier inferiors. Like the traffic advisory goes: "The cemetries of the world are filled with careful, rule adhering drivers."
  
  In a later scene with the jailer, other cops accuse him of being KrishnA's smuggling accomplice (and much more). When the jailer quetions him, MuthusAmy says the most horrendous line: "saar, ungaLukkE theriyum naan nErmaiyAnavan". Isn't that an impossible and silly sounding line ? Well, the unsaid implication of this line is, no-one else is honest. Accusing everyone and perhaps not excluding the jailer himself. The fact that jailer is not offended, reflects on how inured the people of the system are, that they are not affected by their own lack of values. Even when it is hinted at rather directly like how MuthusAmy did.
  
  All he can do is, later thank KrishnA for saving his job by enduring sufference. "nAn dhAn unakku udhavi seyya mudiyAdhavanAi pOyittEn". Is that a completely true statement ? Later in the movie he bunks work to prevent being on-duty when KrishnA - a murder accused- is in his house (or under his protection, as he politely put it). His adherence to the law's letter, seems comic but perhaps even worldly wise. Is he doing all he can ? Or all that he thinks he can ? It is all he can, taking into account his other considerations.
  
  In the earlier scene, he gives KrishnA a copy of BhArathiyAr kavithaigaL (can anything be more antithetical to patience and silent sufferance than BhArathi ?).
  
  In the scene where he 'advices' KrishnA after fetching him from the scuffle with the watchman at Dhanush's house, has the best lines. (That, along with the next scene where PanchApakesan and KrishnA walk on Napier's bridge dwell on the essence of the movie.)
  In the scene in his house, MuthusAmy turns the tables on everyone in society -one even thinks he seeks solace in this argument to address his powerlessness.
  
  Of all that he says - two lines are particularly notable for later reference:
  1) "munnAdi avan verum maama, ippo arasiyalvaadhigaLukku maamaa" (when talking about how Dhanush has grown during KrishnA's jail years).
  2) When talking about the how the undeserving seem to get all the respect in society, he confesses to being befuddled by the question :" mariyAdhai ellAm thEvadiyA thozilukku thuNai pOravanukku".
  
  His singling out of the profession to vent his distaste is notable because he is someone who later accepts as his daughter-in-law, a former prostitute. He is a better man than his vocabulary seems to indicate. So his distaste is more a manner of expression, than a rabid and narrow fundamentalism.
  
  Overall, is he any different from the guard who turns the other way when KrishnA looks up, when TulukkAnam throws the food in the gutter ? He is much more. Among the several interesting (and uncomfortable) questions that MahAnadhi raises, MuthusAmy's character raises some vital ones. The myth that the 'system' is an amorphous monolith, is broken by introducing such a character. Even an oppressive system is composed of people. Some of them, not unlike MuthusAmy. His dialogues bring out the character beautifully.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Sun Jan 14 22:56:30 2007.

  
  
  rajesh had fit the role perfectly!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Jan 15 8:35:40 2007.

  Prabhu Ram,
  You seem to be very knowledgable and you observe very well. I've been reading your earlier posts in the forum.
  
  The table conversation and the Napier bridge scenes are hard hitting indeed, as Prabhu has pointed out.
  
  Rajesh questions the rights of people like 'us' questioning corrupt people because everyone of of us would have done things like getting tickets in black etc. And when he is about to politely request Krishnaswamy to leave the next morning, he sends his son on an errand (cigarette, and then pazham).
  
  Mahanadhi has many moments were Kamal makes some bold and strong statements. Not all of them are necessarily against pimps and politicians. He is extremely critical of the fatalistic middle-class, especially those resigning to the almighty. The initial scenes with 'Punjabi' are very interesting in this regard. Superb social commentary. In a sense, he is angry with himself, or atleast his undoings in the past. It may look ordinary now but portraying a hero as being so fallible is something which only Kamal can do. The scene where he is literally beaten and thrown out in the chit fund office was shocking at that time. It still is. Of course, the Thulukkanam exchanges are legend material now
  
  Screenplay - Superbly written. Especially when the jail scenes give way to the village flashback (the sound of the train is synch with Kamal's eye-lids opening and closing and 'thirunageswaram' station appearing). Wow!
  
  Acting - Everybody would have a favorite scene. Most would say the daughter coming of age scene in the jail. Some would say the sona kachi scene. However, to me, it is Kamal's portrayal of the naive and content (well, not quite) Krishnaswamy of the seeval factory days.
  This dialogue and the way he says it, with self doubt and almost embarrassed
  Krishnaswamy: "hmm.. andha chit f... andha chit fund company pathi sonneengale" [cuts to the Pooja of the company]...
  
  What a movie...
  
  

• From: What on Mon Jan 15 12:17:10 2007.

  Prabhu Ram, it is a pleasure to read your posts on kamal haasan.
  
  A tough questions for you: what's your preference int he following--Devar magan vs mahanathi?
  
  I like Devar magan more; maybe sivaji factor
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Jan 15 13:20:32 2007.

  Thanks folks. I'll try and post about PanchApakEsan soon. As thinkfloyd correctly points out, it is through this character that most of the social criticism is brought out.
  
  In the meanwhile, the last post on this thread may be of interest. It gives some background info on the idea that grew to become MahAnadhi. You will even see Kamal's ideas directly matching with the dialogues spoken by MuthusAmy.
  
  Thinkfloyd, the cut from TirunAgEswaram to the chit fund pooja with the mantra chanting preceding the visuals, is one of the many places where voice overlap is used beautifully in the film. One other scene that comes to my mind is, the scene where Krishna is sitting dazed in the office after Dhanush leaves (after firing Manju). The visuals are still there but we hear the voice of the lawyer from the next scene : "ivan definite-a fraud sir".
  
  What, my choice is is MahAnadhi. The excellent presentation in ThEvar Magan is very tempting, but my MahAnadhi pips ahead due to sheer appeal of its content.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Jan 15 14:41:44 2007.

  Prabhu,
  That link was interesting. Thanks
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Thinkfloyd, the cut from TirunAgEswaram to the chit fund pooja with the mantra chanting preceding the visuals, is one of the many places where voice overlap is used beautifully in the film. One other scene that comes to my mind is, the scene where Krishna is sitting dazed in the office after Dhanush leaves (after firing Manju). The visuals are still there but we hear the voice of the lawyer from the next scene : "ivan definite-a fraud sir".

  
  Yes. In addition to sound overlaps we can also see one scene dissolve into the next on many occassions.
  
  Special mention must be made of the musical score by Ilayaiyaraja. Of course, a movie is great because all its building blocks are great. The short recurring violin piece which accompanies all the powerful and sad scenes haunts me to this day. I think Kamal is the first to use songs as part of the narrative. Well, almost. All the songs are situational but top-class nevertheless. There is one version of the "Thai Pongal" song which is different from the version which comes in the movie. I wish they had used the casette version instead. Great singing by Chitra. The beauty of that song is depending on when you watch it or listen to it, it can be a happy song or a sad song.
  
  One more thing. They say R.Santhana Bharathi is the director
  
  

• From: Kumar on Mon Jan 15 18:26:35 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  In his subtle and mischievous indictment of religion (a recurrent theme in this film and in Kamal's work in general), Krishnaswamy will also say : " avan kasAppu kadai vachurikkAn. piLLaikkaRi kEkkuravan nee". The climax itself begins when VenkatAchalam is in the middle of a poojai when called by Dhanush. .

  
  
  PR, thinkfloyd, great posts. Great analysis.
  
  I thought the use of paedophiles and pimps was abrave move as they are topics not usually covered in movies....or at least not in great depth. It's disturbing that such a despicable practice has it's roots deeply planted in society. It's ironical that in the 'Peigaley nambathey' song, Krishna and his mother in law are teaching their children that demons and ghosts do not exists and hence should not be feared. Well, they do exist- in the form of the con man, the corrupt jailer, his right hand man (Tullukana), the paedophole politician, the pimps and brothel operators. When Krishna sets out to avenge all the heartaches that he and his family had to endure, it's almost his way of saying sorry to his family for building up this 'false' sense of security; reassuring them that there is nothing to fear. Unfortunately, through his acquiantance with a fraud, his family suffers greatly.
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Jan 16 8:38:39 2007.

  adding to this I have another 2 other important scenes to quote.
  
  1. Kamal talking to poornam about koovam by standing close to the napier bridge. He says, everyone wanted to close the nose and noone wanted to clean it. Rather, everyone spoils koovam but nobody has the initiation to clean it up.('cos our toils are always mixing with koovam- stupid drainage system we have now). Earlier the buckhimgam canal use to connect lot of places and it was good via media transport for the 19the century ppl. The second scene again with pooram and suganya saying can you guys wait for another 8.5 years? . When he decides to kill MN, he says he will 15 years and the remission cut and all these stuff will make him to be in jail for only 8.5 years, as he does the murder for a noble cause (from his angle).. What a thinker he is?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Jan 16 16:26:22 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Yes. In addition to sound overlaps we can also see one scene dissolve into the next on many occassions.

  Is it ? I am not able to recall many dissolves (it is atleast a year since I last saw the film). Can you tell us more ?
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  I think Kamal is the first to use songs as part of the narrative. Well, almost. All the songs are situational but top-class nevertheless.

  And Vaali, the undernoticed master:
  
  muppAttan kaalam thottu muppOgam yaarAle
  kalmEdu thANdi varum kAveri neerAle
  .
  ..
  sevvAzhai senkarumbu jaathimalli thOttam dhAn
  ellAme ingirukka Edhumillai vaattam dhAn
  sorgam enbadhu kaNNil uLLadhu kanavil illayadi
  Lines whose wisdom we do not fathom at that time of the movie. All the lyrics in this film are closely related to the storytelling, particularly in:
  
  indhA gangA nathiyai paarkkumbOdhu uNmai viLangudhu
  ingE kuLikkum manidhan azukkil gangai kalangudhu
  indha pollA janangaL paavakkaLaiyai neeril kazuvudhu
  indha muttAL thanaththai engE solli naanum azuvadhu ?
  
  pretty much rounds up the film and even sets you up for the climax. So much of Kamal's influence that one may believe the lyric-writing was a collaborative effort (which Kamal mentioned once is how it works when Vaali,IR and he work).
  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  There is one version of the "Thai Pongal" song which is different from the version which comes in the movie.

  Hmm.....the song itself ?
  
  The tune is used thrice. Once for the thaippongal in tirunAgeswaram (first flashback). Second is Kamal's 'thanmAnam uLLa nenjam' that rushes us through the last leg of KrishnA's jail-life. And then 'engEyo thikku thisai', again in Kamal's voice, when they are in the boat in the Ganges.
  
  I remember that in the casette, the thaippongal song had an extra stanza sung by ChitrA that is not found in the film. I don't recall the lyrics but it is about blessing a family that venturing out leaving its moorings. Presumably there may have been some scenes showing the shifting, which were later cut out to jump from the calculator-to-the poojai that we discussed.
  
  

  Kumar wrote:

  It's ironical that in the 'Peigaley nambathey' song, Krishna and his mother in law are teaching their children that demons and ghosts do not exists and hence should not be feared. Well, they do exist- in the form of the con man, the corrupt jailer, his right hand man (Tullukana), the paedophole politician, the pimps and brothel operators.

  ennappA ? I thought the song was exactly about such demons-in-human form.
  
  uzaikkAma vambu pEsi alaivAnE avan pEi
  paNam sErkka pAdhai maaRi paRappAnE avan bootham
  
  Just that, given his hitherto naive exposure, Krishna is only able to think of mild demons. His innocence is forcibly lost. Whose isn't ? Would the kanakadhArA stotram chanting PanchApakEsan have ever thought he'd address a brothel madam as 'paradEvathE' ?
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Tue Jan 16 17:47:14 2007.

  PR
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Tue Jan 16 17:59:37 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Thinkfloyd, the cut from TirunAgEswaram to the chit fund pooja with the mantra chanting preceding the visuals, is one of the many places where voice overlap is used beautifully in the film. One other scene that comes to my mind is, the scene where Krishna is sitting dazed in the office after Dhanush leaves (after firing Manju). The visuals are still there but we hear the voice of the lawyer from the next scene : "ivan definite-a fraud sir". What, my choice is is MahAnadhi. The excellent presentation in ThEvar Magan is very tempting, but my MahAnadhi pips ahead due to sheer appeal of its content.

  
  
  That was a brilliant portrayal PR .... but there are some points that i wish to quote ..... about Thevar Magan....
  
  Mannukku Mariyadhai .... is wat i see this film as ..... very aptly said by Sivaji .... "indha katta ingaye irundhu erinju saambalaagi, indha mannukku uramaa aagumae thavira ... veliyila varaaadhu" - Absolutely marvellous....
  
  Shakthi ... a character who was basically soft n romantic understands the situation in his birthplace, understands the importance of his birthsoil, understands the very importance of word(vaaku) and takes up his dad's position...... that was simply wonderful....
  
  this basically cannot be compared with the character Krishna in Mahanadhi .... is wat my humble feeling is.....
  
  

• From: Kumar on Tue Jan 16 18:05:50 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Kumar wrote: It's ironical that in the 'Peigaley nambathey' song, Krishna and his mother in law are teaching their children that demons and ghosts do not exists and hence should not be feared. Well, they do exist- in the form of the con man, the corrupt jailer, his right hand man (Tullukana), the paedophole politician, the pimps and brothel operators. ennappA ? I thought the song was exactly about such demons-in-human form. uzaikkAma vambu pEsi alaivAnE avan pEi paNam sErkka pAdhai maaRi paRappAnE avan bootham Just that, given his hitherto naive exposure, Krishna is only able to think of mild demons. His innocence is forcibly lost. Whose isn't ? Would the kanakadhArA stotram chanting PanchApakEsan have ever thought he'd address a brothel madam as 'paradEvathE' ?

  
  
  That's true; it's been a good 1.5 years since I've seen the film....but your retention is way better than mine
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Jan 16 19:24:13 2007.

  there is one more version of the song, which is not in film but in casette, you know what, it was sung by the great SPB.
  
  it is meant to be when krishna leaves his village....here goes the lyrics
  
  anbaana thaayai vittu enge nee sendraalum
  neengaathu unnai vittu, ennangal ennaalum
  aiyaa un paatham patta boomi thaayinmadi
  engeyum ethum illai eedu sollumbadi
  kaaveri alaigal unnai karayil vanthu thedidum
  kaanaamal varuthapattu thalaiguninthu odidum
  oru bantham enbathum paasam enbathum veru vitta idam
  ithai vittaal unnenjai vaazha vaippathu veru entha idam
  
  than mannai vittoru kuruvi kudumbam paranthu poduthadi
  athu innaal varaikkum iruntha koottai maranthu poguthadi
  intha nenjil ippadi aasai vanthoru kolamittathadi
  ithil nanmai koodattum theemai odattum kaalam vittavazhi
  
  Somehow this song comes into my mind, whenever i leave from my native! this is one song which brings my respect and appreciation to vaali
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Jan 17 1:28:54 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Is it ? I am not able to recall many dissolves (it is atleast a year since I last saw the film). Can you tell us more ?

  
  There are quite a few dissolves. Not able to pinpoint the exact scenes or frames. Especially the beginning jail scenes.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  And Vaali, the undernoticed master: .... .... pretty much rounds up the film and even sets you up for the climax. So much of Kamal's influence that one may believe the lyric-writing was a collaborative effort (which Kamal mentioned once is how it works when Vaali,IR and he work).

  
  Very correct
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hmm.....the song itself ? .

  
  Yes, apart from the three stage-wise versions, there is a different version of the Thirunageswaram song. Or is it the missing stanze that you are mentioning, now that sakalakalavallavar reminds us that there is an SPB version? Chitra's singing is supern. Brings out the emotion beautifully and also, the rhythm pattern is different when she starts out the stanza, different from the version shown in the movie.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Would the kanakadhArA stotram chanting PanchApakEsan have ever thought he'd address a brothel madam as 'paradEvathE' ?

  
  And thereby making himself and the lines prime mimmicry material - on a lighter vein
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Jan 17 9:52:46 2007.

  
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Thu Jan 18 0:54:52 2007.

  Great discussion guys
  
  

• From: thimuru on Thu Jan 18 4:44:26 2007.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2717366010926682399&q=thevar+magan
  
  enjoy the scene
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jan 18 15:33:50 2007.

  bingleguy wrote:

  Shakthi ... a character who was basically soft n romantic understands the situation in his birthplace, understands the importance of his birthsoil, understands the very importance of word(vaaku) and takes up his dad's position...... that was simply wonderful...

  And how irritatingly reluctant he is for a long time. Even the 'famous' scene with his father does not change his mind and he makes no secret of it, when speaking with his collector friend - digr. unreliable sources say the guy who played that was M.S.Prabhu the cinematographer who was then PC Sriram's assistant.
  
  Even after the reservoir sabotage his position is not made clear (SivAji comes to the godown where the afflicted are rehabilitated, with a proud expression on his face for it looks like his son seems to be taking active interest finally. When he asks him why he has not eaten "pasikkalayaa ?", Sakthi will reply " pidikkilai". SivAji's face will betray a sharp flash of disappointment - perhaps he was jumping to conclusions about his son. Looks like his position of distaste is unchanged. Of course, Sakthi goes on to dispels all doubt in the very next minute and relieve his father.
  
  I wasn't trying to compare Krishnaswamy and Sakthi but the two films. While ThEvar Magan makes on reexamine one's opinion on tradition, relationships and individualism, the themes in MahAnadhi are a whole lot broader in appeal (IMO) and arresting.
  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Or is it the missing stanze that you are mentioning, now that sakalakalavallavar reminds us that there is an SPB version?

  No. I goofed. It is the one SKV is talking posted. (Thanks SKV.) Somehow I seem to keep hearing those lines in my head in ChitrA's voice
  

  thimuru wrote:

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2717366010926682399&q=thevar+magan enjoy the scene

  Thank You.Each time I see it, I am more and more convinced that it is windy on purpose.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Thu Jan 18 21:41:54 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  bingleguy wrote: Shakthi ... a character who was basically soft n romantic understands the situation in his birthplace, understands the importance of his birthsoil, understands the very importance of word(vaaku) and takes up his dad's position...... that was simply wonderful... And how irritatingly reluctant he is for a long time. Even the 'famous' scene with his father does not change his mind and he makes no secret of it, when speaking with his collector friend - digr. unreliable sources say the guy who played that was M.S.Prabhu the cinematographer who was then PC Sriram's assistant. Even after the reservoir sabotage his position is not made clear (SivAji comes to the godown where the afflicted are rehabilitated, with a proud expression on his face for it looks like his son seems to be taking active interest finally. When he asks him why he has not eaten "pasikkalayaa ?", Sakthi will reply " pidikkilai". SivAji's face will betray a sharp flash of disappointment - perhaps he was jumping to conclusions about his son. Looks like his position of distaste is unchanged. Of course, Sakthi goes on to dispels all doubt in the very next minute and relieve his father. I wasn't trying to compare Krishnaswamy and Sakthi but the two films. While ThEvar Magan makes on reexamine one's opinion on tradition, relationships and individualism, the themes in MahAnadhi are a whole lot broader in appeal (IMO) and arresting. thinkfloyd wrote: Or is it the missing stanze that you are mentioning, now that sakalakalavallavar reminds us that there is an SPB version? No. I goofed. It is the one SKV is talking posted. (Thanks SKV.) Somehow I seem to keep hearing those lines in my head in ChitrA's voice thimuru wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2717366010926682399&q=thevar+magan enjoy the scene Thank You.Each time I see it, I am more and more convinced that it is windy on purpose.

  
  
  prabhu ram ..wind effect is used in one or more scenes of devar mahan...and also those type of wind is usual in TN..rather it gives the desired effect
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Thu Jan 18 22:41:26 2007.

  Thevar Magan:
  A classic without doubt.
  Film-making at its best - acting, screenplay, direction, dialogue, cinematography (except for the bulb-in-the-bottom lighting in the car), and musical score. The musical score is so complete and entwined with the story that it becomes one of the leading characters in the film.
  Scene-a ulvaangi making the music explain what the scene is about - Ilaiyaraaja is peerless in this.
  
  After Kurudhippunal, this is Nasser's finest performance. One aspect which was a welcome relief is the realism thrown in the dialogue
  
  "Sandhanam minjuna kundila poosuvaangalaam"
  "seemai-lendhu dhaane vandirukkaen.. Vakkali sethu pozhacha vandirukkaen?"
  "Edhiri veettu p** thinna vandheegalo??"
  
  I'm just quoting dialogues here, so i hope i don't need to apologize
  Almost all the dialogues have a striking sense of everday earthiness in them, not very common in Tamil films. Still, Kamal could have done away with the corny most-repeated-line-in-English-films "Let's get out of here. Let's get the hell out of here".
  
  Unfortunately, we as audience ourselves have mixed up priorities and judgements when it comes to accepting and terming what constitutes vulgarity.
  
  Sivaji pathi sollave vendaam. Its my favorite performance from him. On par with Mudhal Mariyadhai. Its easy to point out the 'famous' ones. The conversation with Kamal. However, there are quite a few other gems. The first family lunch/dinner when Kamal explains about his "chain of restaurants" ("thamizh-liyum adhaan" ) is one. Effortless acting.
  
  Revathi gets her accent spot on. The only other i can remember is Abhirami in Virumaandi. Gowthami shows us that glamour and acting are not mutually exclusive. One of my favorite phases in the movie is the series of scenes after she comes back to Thoovalur oblivious to the fact that Shakthi has married Panjavarnam.
  Kamal has always unfairly been taunted (sometimes lovingly) or mimmicked with his "aahh.. aaahh..." thing. People forget his performances where he doesn't have to resort to that. Look at how restrained he is in these scenes. Perfect portrayal of a man bottling up his emotions and trying to bury his love so that he can atleast save his marriage and village.
  
  Prabhu,
  About the wind, i think it might be a nod to Kurosawa who used rain and wind often as mood-setters...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Thu Jan 18 22:48:02 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Thevar Magan: A classic without doubt. Film-making at its best - acting, screenplay, direction, dialogue, cinematography (except for the bulb-in-the-bottom lighting in the car), and musical score. The musical score is so complete and entwined with the story that it becomes one of the leading characters in the film. Scene-a ulvaangi making the music explain what the scene is about - Ilaiyaraaja is peerless in this. After Kurudhippunal, this is Nasser's finest performance. One aspect which was a welcome relief is the realism thrown in the dialogue "Sandhanam minjuna kundila poosuvaangalaam" "seemai-lendhu dhaane vandirukkaen.. Vakkali sethu pozhacha vandirukkaen?" "Edhiri veettu p** thinna vandheegalo??" I'm just quoting dialogues here, so i hope i don't need to apologize Almost all the dialogues have a striking sense of everday earthiness in them, not very common in Tamil films. Still, Kamal could have done away with the corny most-repeated-line-in-English-films "Let's get out of here. Let's get the hell out of here". Unfortunately, we as audience ourselves have mixed up priorities and judgements when it comes to accepting and terming what constitutes vulgarity. Sivaji pathi sollave vendaam. Its my favorite performance from him. On par with Mudhal Mariyadhai. Its easy to point out the 'famous' ones. The conversation with Kamal. However, there are quite a few other gems. The first family lunch/dinner when Kamal explains about his "chain of restaurants" ("thamizh-liyum adhaan" ) is one. Effortless acting. Revathi gets her accent spot on. The only other i can remember is Abhirami in Virumaandi. Gowthami shows us that glamour and acting are not mutually exclusive. One of my favorite phases in the movie is the series of scenes after she comes back to Thoovalur oblivious to the fact that Shakthi has married Panjavarnam. Kamal has always unfairly been taunted (sometimes lovingly) or mimmicked with his "aahh.. aaahh..." thing. People forget his performances where he doesn't have to resort to that. Look at how restrained he is in these scenes. Perfect portrayal of a man bottling up his emotions and trying to bury his love so that he can atleast save his marriage and village. Prabhu, About the wind, i think it might be a nod to Kurosawa who used rain and wind often as mood-setters...

  
  
  u eft out vadivelu
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jan 18 23:42:59 2007.

  Nice post thinkfloyd. Especially the earthy dialogues. "sandhanam minjunaa" was Nasser's opening line.
  "enna eLavudaa idhu. cheemailErndhu dhAnE vandhirukkEan. sethu pozachA vandhirukkean" is KaakA RadhAkrishnan's opening line.
  In just two lines you already know their attitudes, characters we already hate them. Great writing.
  
  The swearing in the movie were spot on. Even VadivElu in the hospital bed swears in unique local. Some of the usages were very specific to the dialect. Considering Kamal lived in that area only as a kid, it is amazing how much he has absorbed of the dialect.
  
  For instance when Sakthi draws first blood in the kambu saNdai, the sandiyar, Sandhanam says :" aathee bayandhu varudhappOi". It is a usage so specific to the area that superficial observers of the dialect would have never observed. After this film, we have seen this only in VirumANdi. When Nallamma Naicker is surrounded by the armed KothALa thEvar gang, he says the oh-so-sarcastic : "Aaththi, bayandhu varudhu"
  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Prabhu, About the wind, i think it might be a nod to Kurosawa who used rain and wind often as mood-setters...

  I had a little more elaborate (and farfetched) view.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Jan 19 0:51:30 2007.

  PR,
  
  thats nice connection...did kamal make it that way?
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Jan 19 1:30:25 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  I had a little more elaborate (and farfetched) view.

  
  Prabhu,
  Whether Kamal meant it to be that way or not (your case seems to be strong), that observation was brilliant
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Jan 19 1:43:18 2007.

  its better we direct a movie and let prabhu raam explain it
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Jan 19 1:45:39 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  its better we direct a movie and let prabhu raam explain it

  
  It'd be better if Prabhu conceives and directs the film
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Jan 20 13:50:34 2007.

  Prabhu and Sakalakalavallavar,
  This is what i was talking about - Thai Pongal song
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sat Jan 20 14:39:10 2007.

  Thanks thinkfloyd. But this is the first song. What was the difference between this version and the one in the film. I didn't get it ?
  
  The song that is usually cut on TV and even in some theatres is 'sollAdha RaagangaL'. It comes when YamunA meets KrishnA in the prison. A good looking song but IMO a childish speedbreaker, where the grille separating them disappears and they are transported to a lush green forest and swing around holding hands !!!
  
  One mini-song that is there in the film but not in the audio track is "thEdiyadhu kidaichAle sandhOshappadum manasu" in IR's voice. It is the song we here in the background when KrishnA's dines with MaNNAngatti's family and carries a sleeping BaraNi home. Lovely song.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sat Jan 20 14:46:44 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  One mini-song that is there in the film but not in the audio track is "thEdiyadhu kidaichAle sandhOshappadum manasu" in IR's voice. It is the song we here in the background when KrishnA's dines with MaNNAngatti's family and carries a sleeping BaraNi home. Lovely song.

  
  
  Great going PR ! Keep up the good work
  
  True ! I watched Mahanadhi again today. The lyrics of this particular song were kind of melting. Lovely indeed.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Jan 20 15:19:58 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Thanks thinkfloyd. But this is the first song. What was the difference between this version and the one in the film. I didn't get it ?

  
  The rhythm
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Feb 7 9:46:28 2007.

  Pushpak: To start with, is the music director of this film Vaidhyanadhan? More importantly L.Vaidhyanadhan as in L.Subramaniam and L.Shankar?
  
  Rest, after this...
  
  

• From: Saamy on Wed Feb 7 10:22:10 2007.

  i favourite line from gauthami is
  "namma innaa panna mudiyum anni....."
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Feb 8 15:18:25 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Pushpak: To start with, is the music director of this film Vaidhyanadhan? More importantly L.Vaidhyanadhan as in L.Subramaniam and L.Shankar? Rest, after this...

  Yes. The very same L.Vaidyanathan.
  
  L.Subramaniam was supposed score the music for Hey Ram. Then LS and KH had some differences and he was replaced by IR. LA had completed a song and they had picturized parts of it (which later became pollAdha Madhana BaaNam). IR composed music for a song whose picturization was already done. IR won a filmfare for background scores for this film - one of the best examples of background scores ever.
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Fri Feb 9 4:00:24 2007.

  Love Love Me Dear from Simla Special..
  Very Nice song.. somehow not popular..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 6:40:55 2007.

  Raikkonen wrote:

  Love Love Me Dear from Simla Special.. Very Nice song.. somehow not popular..

  
  
  yeah...wonderful song...I am surprised that the music director of simla special is MSV
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 9 6:53:56 2007.

  Thanks Prabhu.
  
  and yes, Hey Ram was a musical masterpiece, among other things
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 9 6:54:41 2007.

  "Unakkenna Meley.." is one of my favorite MSV numbers..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 9 7:00:39 2007.

  in Heyraam, kamal would have decided to kill mahatma, in one scene, he will be at home, some thaathaa will be on bed rest for years due to some health problem, sddenly he will open his eyes and say "Mahaa paavam".....i initially didnot understand who he is, only lated i got to know who he is.......things like these make hey raam a bit tough movie, but still its a great movie
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 8:24:25 2007.

  In Heyram,
  
  Kamal will argue with Mahatma and will win the argument. By saying" are you not feeling guilty for the riot" for the mahatma will say "we are collectively responsible for it- along with MA Jinnah"..However, the applause will go for mahatma and not for sahetram.. The looks sahetram look was amazing ,which will clearly make others as duds/fools. That was a very nice situation, indeed.
  
  Heyram- Kalathin Pokkisaham.. Tamizarkal seytha Virayam..
  
  Evanga taste, 4 punch dialgoute, sataaya avathu kattti, kay viral thooki..
  
  che eppo marum entha samudayam..
  
  Anbesivam/Mahnathi: man .. u should have gotten guts to watch a movie like that..Not as a kamal fan..
  
  I still love good movies, which will have messages to the community not crap movies..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 8:40:47 2007.

  regarding look..
  
  in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he!
  
  at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome!
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 10:51:31 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  regarding look.. in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he! at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome!

  
  
  Thimiru:
  
  I still couldn't forget the interrogations scenes and the climax. Man it's amazing!!! especially, when kamal fly and hit into the wall against the flying bullets... (operation dhanush).. wow...Simply superb... and the dialgoues(thokkira side la irunthu poradukirom).. mind blowing one ..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 11:00:26 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  thimuru wrote: regarding look.. in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he! at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome! Thimiru: I still couldn't forget the interrogations scenes and the climax. Man it's amazing!!! especially, when kamal fly and hit into the wall against the flying bullets... (operation dhanush).. wow...Simply superb... and the dialgoues(thokkira side la irunthu poradukirom).. mind blowing one ..

  
  
  "u seem to be a man driven by ideologies"....sidhaandhathinal undhapattavan maadhiri theriyudhu...ohh....sorry...english theriyadhavanukku translate pandra maadiri tamizhaa soldren...of course u must be knowing english!
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 11:04:23 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: thimuru wrote: regarding look.. in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he! at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome! Thimiru: I still couldn't forget the interrogations scenes and the climax. Man it's amazing!!! especially, when kamal fly and hit into the wall against the flying bullets... (operation dhanush).. wow...Simply superb... and the dialgoues(thokkira side la irunthu poradukirom).. mind blowing one .. "u seem to be a man driven by ideologies"....sidhaandhathinal undhapattavan maadhiri theriyudhu...ohh....sorry...english theriyadhavanukku translate pandra maadiri tamizhaa soldren...of course u must be knowing english!

  
  
  May be!!! However, not to your level of english though..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 11:09:28 2007.

  amarsiva....adhu kurudhipunal dialogue-u...
  
  not at u
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 11:51:52 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  amarsiva....adhu kurudhipunal dialogue-u... not at u

  
  
  sorry ..about it..thimiru.. just mistaken..
  
  

• From: NOV on Fri Feb 9 22:23:12 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  yeah...wonderful song...I am surprised that the music director of simla special is MSV

  
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Feb 9 22:27:12 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  thimuru wrote: yeah...wonderful song...I am surprised that the music director of simla special is MSV

  
  
  Ninaithaale Inikkum MD yaarunnu thimiru ninachirukkaro theriyalla
  
  

• From: NOV on Fri Feb 9 22:45:50 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Ninaithaale Inikkum MD yaarunnu thimiru ninachirukkaro theriyalla

  adhu mattum illa Joe, 1975kku munnaala kamal padaththula paattu illaiyO?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Feb 11 10:37:23 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koqeSXJtvvo
  
  this video link is posted already, hjust see the comments for these ........most of them dont now who is kamal but it seems they liked his dance......gr8
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Feb 11 18:31:54 2007.

  Aandavar's interview in Asianet (rerun)
  
  http://prabhukrish.net/2007/02/11/kamalhassans-interview-on-asianet/
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRepjdqnk1k
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRepjdqnk1k
  
  
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Feb 15 0:19:50 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWiT1pmLgrk
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 16 1:30:53 2007.

  can someone give the link for lyrics of HeyRaam Title song, written by kamal?
  
  

• From: Kollywoodfan on Fri Feb 16 15:23:29 2007.

  Touching scene between Kamal & Maddy from Anbae Sivam
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=bmOy6p87TWI&mode=related&search=
  
  Poo Vasam song
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=hMgazeuB3Xk
  
  Ammavum Neeyae
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=odHgGJx_4to
  
  Kutty Kamal is SOOO adorable!!
  
  

• From: Kollywoodfan on Sat Feb 17 0:07:32 2007.

  Thevar Magan movie on google
  
  http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie
  
  

• From: sandiyar_k on Sat Feb 17 5:57:06 2007.

  ilamai itho itho
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWEFvUeTPg&NR
  
  
  just see the comments people...
  
  wowwwww.........
  
  
  He only can do like this.. this video was shot 25 years before.. but still some foreigners are going crazy over it....
  
  no other actor can evoke such a response...
  
  
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Feb 17 6:52:52 2007.

  sandiyar_k wrote:

  ilamai itho itho http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWEFvUeTPg&NR

  
  The best song ever composed in IFM IMO
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Mon Feb 19 0:17:24 2007.

  Kollywoodfan wrote:

  Thevar Magan movie on google http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie

  
  
  Is it posible to download this movie?
  
  

• From: villan007 on Mon Feb 19 0:27:28 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  Kollywoodfan wrote: Thevar Magan movie on google http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie Is it posible to download this movie?

  
  
  https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/
  
  
  
  and you may need a flv player too http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467082.html
  
  

• From: sandiyar_k on Mon Feb 19 1:39:38 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  Kollywoodfan wrote: Thevar Magan movie on google http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie Is it posible to download this movie?

  Download the Google Video Player. and Using that player u can download the movie .
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Feb 19 2:46:55 2007.

  Download videos from Youtube, Google, iFilm, Metacafe, DailyMotion, Music - http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php
  
  http://www.erightsoft.net/SupCk2.html - Ultimate format converter, for videos, i converted the Ilamai itho song to 3gp, using this software...quality is ultimate
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Feb 19 18:49:46 2007.

  Mass defined!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Feb 19 19:12:31 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ

  
  The only movie I've ever watched FDFS (and I was the envy of my friends at school). I remember looking on starry eyed at the hysteria unable to believe the enthusiasm. Sigh!! Those were the days..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Feb 19 19:15:54 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ The only movie I've ever watched FDFS (and I was the envy of my friends at school). I remember looking on starry eyed at the hysteria unable to believe the enthusiasm. Sigh!! Those were the days..

  
  Kannan,
  I implore you to come to India (preferably Madurai) for the FDFS of Dasa....
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Feb 19 19:25:52 2007.

  Thinkfloyd, I would love to . Eppadiyum indha varusha trip baaki irukku. If things work out, I would sure be there.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Feb 19 22:11:52 2007.

  Watching VETAYAADU VILAYAADU tonight! Man, what a great movie...
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3621023723945513572&q=tamil+movie
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Feb 19 22:13:17 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ

  
  
  One of my fav Kamal songs! I was in my 4th or 5th grade then! Sweet Memories!
  
  
  
  

• From: Surya on Mon Feb 19 22:13:53 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Watching VETAYAADU VILAYAADU tonight! Man, what a great movie... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3621023723945513572&q=tamil+movie

  
  
  Seriously? That's the print ur watching it in? U know the DVD is out.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Feb 19 22:18:47 2007.

  Surya wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Watching VETAYAADU VILAYAADU tonight! Man, what a great movie... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3621023723945513572&q=tamil+movie Seriously? That's the print ur watching it in? U know the DVD is out.

  
  
  Check my location Surya!
  
  

• From: Surya on Mon Feb 19 22:22:08 2007.

  Oh ya..that's right...WOW..that sucks dude!! Try some of the Old Topics in Orkut's Kamal Comms, comms like "D'load new tamil movies" or s'thing. I'm sure u can find a better print than that..If i remember correctly, even Lankashree has a watchable print. Good Luck.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Feb 20 7:49:09 2007.

  is there anyone who knows more about the Jallikattu fight? my friend says that Murattu kaalai fight is more realistinc than Virumaandi's...can anyone throw light on this?
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 20 7:53:14 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ

  
  
  Aboorva SahodarargaL
  Need an MP3 Version of the same. Any Pointers?. Would be happy to receive some more like "Naan thaaN Raja", "Singaari sarakku" etc along with this
  
  Ofcourse in a ZIP or RAR format
  
  

• From: thimuru on Tue Feb 20 7:53:33 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  is there anyone who knows more about the Jallikattu fight? my friend says that Murattu kaalai fight is more realistinc than Virumaandi's...can anyone throw light on this?

  
  
  ur friend must have been from mars
  
  I have seen alanganallur jallikattu in my young age!
  
  only thing in virumandi is ....the area is smaller...normally they allow in big grounds!
  
  murattu kaalai ...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Feb 20 8:08:01 2007.

  thimiru, instead of starting an argument, it would be nice if u say some specific reason to judge ur statement, even i feel viru should be more realistic, bu i hav not seen murattukaalai's so i could not comment
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 20 10:07:47 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  thimiru, instead of starting an argument, it would be nice if u say some specific reason to judge ur statement, even i feel viru should be more realistic, bu i hav not seen murattukaalai's so i could not comment

  
  
  i think in murattukaalai for most part, they have cut pasted some original jallikattu scenes from real villages (like some news reel)....
  
  virumaandi paarthu rombha naal aachu so i can't say whether there is any cut paste items...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Tue Feb 20 11:13:05 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  thimiru, instead of starting an argument, it would be nice if u say some specific reason to judge ur statement, even i feel viru should be more realistic, bu i hav not seen murattukaalai's so i could not comment

  
  
  the surroundings is not like murattu kaalai...where people watch a man do things!
  
  just like virumaandi the bull is run amongst a big crowd !
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Feb 20 15:14:19 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJqGmHexQY
  - vAzha vaikkum kAdhalukku jEy
  
  1) Annan and Anni "chemistry", "physics", "biology"....
  2) Brilliant screenplay by Aandavara
  3) Ilaiyaraaja
  What a brilliant composition even in a funky song! Raaja, only you faasible.
  Superb first interlude and beautiful usage of rhythm and bass guitar throughout the song.
  Check out from 1:41 to 1:53. Ivalavu funky song la enna complex phrase.... not all can sing this...
  
  idhu endha rAgam
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Feb 20 16:02:05 2007.

  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJqGmHexQY - vAzha vaikkum kAdhalukku jEy 1) Annan and Anni "chemistry", "physics", "biology"....

  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Feb 21 9:59:12 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJqGmHexQY - vAzha vaikkum kAdhalukku jEy 1) Annan and Anni "chemistry", "physics", "biology".... 2) Brilliant screenplay by Aandavara 3) Ilaiyaraaja What a brilliant composition even in a funky song! Raaja, only you faasible. Superb first interlude and beautiful usage of rhythm and bass guitar throughout the song. Check out from 1:41 to 1:53. Ivalavu funky song la enna complex phrase.... not all can sing this... idhu endha rAgam

  
  
  dheivame..... neenga engeyo poitteenga
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Feb 22 12:52:43 2007.

  aaaaaaaaaaaa countless!
  
  1. abhirami abhirami!
  
  One of his best...
  
  "avaL oru thodarkathai his mimicry song"
  
  "athu eppothum kiLi alla
  kiNatru thavaLAi thaan appothu therinthathamma"
  
  (mimics frog sound)
  
  cries... MANAGES TO SMILE...
  
  so young yet so flawless PERFORMANCE.
  
  I cant stop my tears everytime I see it.
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Feb 22 12:54:10 2007.

  Sigappu rojakkaL
  
  "azhaga irukku"
  " ethu "
  "naan kercheif sonnen"
  
  a perfect smile to show THE FIRST MOVE, flirtatious smile, supressed grin...,
  
  wow
  
  

• From: Designer on Thu Feb 22 13:13:42 2007.

  For me, most scenes from NAYAGAN are favorites. And are nostalgic too, bcos thats when I met Kamal for the first time, after he had removed his mustache for the film.
  
  PL : 'Sigappu Rojaakkal' - ya the initial meetings between Sridevi & kamal
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 23 2:44:11 2007.

  After reading news about the martial arts fight scene to be placed in Dasa, i could not stop thingking abt kamal's stunt performances. i feel he had done some of the best stunt scenes in tamil cinema
  
  to name some, from my memory
  Enakkul Oruvan - the intro of the 2nd kamal and his fight, Superb stunt
  
  Devar magan - the Kambu Fight - aandavar proves he is a trained guy in kambu fight
  
  Virumaandi - Bullfight Bravery
  
  any other good stunts????
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Feb 23 3:31:06 2007.

  So many. Plenty in KakkiChattai and Vikram. In Indiran Chandiran, he does a Jackie Chan on top of the bus, jumping over poles and boards. I can remember the stunts but need to match it with the right movie.
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Feb 23 3:55:42 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Devar magan - the Kambu Fight - aandavar proves he is a trained guy in kambu fight

  
  
  Yes,Heard he got professional training.
  
  You know one thing .In my village ,there are lot of Chilampam Aasans .They used to laugh all chilampu fights in movies ,except for MGR silampu sandai ..They say only silampu sandai in MGR movies are professional ..But after Devar magan ,many told me Kamal is the second hero after MGR did simalpu sandai professionally.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Feb 23 4:15:46 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Yes,Heard he got professional training. You know one thing .In my village ,there are lot of Chilampam Aasans .They used to laugh all chilampu fights in movies ,except for MGR silampu sandai ..They say only silampu sandai in MGR movies are professional ..But after Devar magan ,many told me Kamal is the second hero after MGR did simalpu sandai professionally.

  
  
  Avasarattilee 3 different spellings for Silambu.
  
  Anyway, I agree with them, MGR and Kamal are very, very graceful in their silambu fight sequences. Almost dancing in their movement, that is why the song Saanthu Pottu is very effective, its dancing and fighting. But the fight was too brief. I wish Kamal has done a fullscale silambu fight ala MGR.
  
  In the eighties...again, inspired by Jackie Chan, he made use of any available props. Remember the bench fight in TTT? Adapted from Drunken Master (I think) Kamal and his stunt master re-imagined the fight around a tea stall. I consider that scene as one of the best fight sequence in Tamil films.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 23 4:59:58 2007.

  silly doubt, TTT means thoongathey thambi thoongathey OR TicTic Tic ???
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Feb 23 5:04:17 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  silly doubt, TTT means thoongathey thambi thoongathey OR TicTic Tic ???

  
  
  Tongathey, of course. Ultimate masala movie. Everything you want from Kamal, you get it. With a double role to boot!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 23 5:04:53 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  silly doubt, TTT means thoongathey thambi thoongathey OR TicTic Tic ???

  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 23 5:06:00 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Tongathey, of course. Ultimate masala movie. Everything you want from Kamal, you get it. With a double role to boot!

  
  
  "You've got 5 days to save your ass!"
  Foreign return-a ennamma kalakkiruppaaru...
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 23 6:39:22 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: Tongathey, of course. Ultimate masala movie. Everything you want from Kamal, you get it. With a double role to boot! "You've got 5 days to save your ass!" Foreign return-a ennamma kalakkiruppaaru...

  
  
  Some other good stunts are:
  
  1. Even the horse fight in TTT will be very nice and it is a reall stunt.
  2. KP Train Jumping the real one...
  3. Mahanadhi.. Fights ..(There after that punch is known as kamal punch - in the tamil cine fighting industry ) ..
  4. VV- The typical Police KNott- Pls watch in two scenes( when he goes along with the ny police to their apts, then the second in the velachery bridge..he puts a great knot and tell-- ""tha yarkitteh)
  5. Per sollum pillai ..he will really hang in the bokline(for a very long time)
  6. Anbe sivam ( Iron monkey kind of fight with the umbrella)..
  7. Even lot of good stunts from Nandhu..( the movie failed because of the theme plot)..It is technical brilliant movie in all the aspects...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Feb 27 13:56:42 2007.

  A message posted in Orkut
  
  

  Quote:

  A dwarf Life goes on - for all of us - Isn't it? We used to redicule the real-life 'appu' characters we would have met in our life. We laughted at them; made fun of them - right? Not only us, even in the movies, people made fun of Dwarfs, always shown them as a commodity to be laughed at - sad in deed. But Kamal, because he is Kamal, made a difference. I still cherish the moments of the movie 'Appu Raja' aka "Apoorva Sagotharargal" in which he created History. What a character Appu was! It was very mesmerizing to watch him walking, jumping, moving around - he not only made as laugh as a circus clown; but made us cry by weaving scenes around his love towards Rupini, and made us all feel that - "They're also Humans with the same feelings what we have"! His expressions to Balu's breath-taking song 'Unnai Ninaichen' - a scene which will linger in our minds for the rest our lives! தன் சோகத்தினால் மற்றவர்களைச் சிரிக்கவைப்பவர்கள் அவர்கள்.தெருவில் வித்தைகாட்டும் கூத்தாடிக் கும்பல்களில் குள்ளர்களைப் பார்த்திருக்கிறேன். ஒரே சக்கர சைக்கிளில் கைகளை விரித்து பாலன்ஸ் செய்து ஓட்டிக்கொண்டு போவார்கள். குள்ளர்கள் இல்லாத சர்க்கஸ் உண்டா? குள்ளர்களின் பால் நம் கவனத்தைக் கவர்ந்ததில் 'அப்பு'விற்கு கொஞ்சம் பங்குண்டு. ஒருமுறை கால்களை பின்புறம் மடக்கிக் கட்டிக்கொண்டு நின்று பாருங்கள். தவக்களை குள்ளமணி என்று பொம்மைகளாகவும் நகைக்கத்தக்க கோமாளிகளாகவும் மட்டுமே குள்ளர்களைத் தமிழ்த்திரையுலகம் சித்தரித்துவந்த வேளையில் அவர்கள் பொம்மைகள் இல்லை; விளையாட்டுக் காட்டும் கோமாளிகள் இல்லை; சின்ன உருவங்களுக்குள் இருக்கும் பெரிய மனிதத்தையும், அரிதாரம் பூசிய முகமூடி முகங்களுக்குப் பின்னே இருக்கும் கண்ணீரையும், சாமான்ய மனிதர்களுக்கான அதே உணர்வுகளும் அவர்களுக்கும் உண்டு என்பதையும் காண்பித்ததில் - அப்புவாக அபூர்வ சகோதரர்களில் - கமல் ஹாஸனுக்கும் பங்கு உண்டு. Hats off to you Kamal!

  
  

• From: Designer on Tue Feb 27 22:28:58 2007.

  "Simla Special :
  
  Kamal runs a drama troupe and, in this scene they are about to stage a play in Simla. This evening is crucial for the whole troupe as they are beset with difficulties, one of them being S.Ve.Sekar (kamal's friend and another troupe member) being in dire need of money.
  
  Just then a telegram arrives from Chennai with the sad news that Kamal's mother is seriously ill and that he should return to Chennai. S.Ve.Sekar hides the telegram from Kamal, for he's afraid that Kamal will cancel the play and rush to Chennai, and S.Ve.Sekar will not get the cash he badly needs. But Kamal comes to know of the news in the telegram and the unfriendly act of his friend. He doesn't cancel the play, but in the course of the drama, he uses the scenes in it to show his anger to his friend, by shouting at him and at times hitting him. The audience watching the play thinks its all part of the show and applauds his 'realistic' performance. And after the drama ends, Kamal confronts S.Ve.Sekar in the green room and chides him for doubting his friendship, by telling him that he wouldn't have cancelled the play for he understands how badly his friend needs the money. He berates him for acting selfishly, but forgives him in the end. Superb display of angst, grief, et all by Kamal.
  
  I think he sings this song during the play -
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naalaa
  thaay madiyil pirandhoam thamizh madiyil valarndhoam
  nadigarena malarndhoam naadagaththil kalandhoam
  aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai
  sindhaadha kanneer illai sirippukku panjam illai
  kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai
  un kaiyil andha noolaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa
  
  I think in the song Kamal also hints at his friend's betrayal. Touching lyrics. intha paadalai paarkumpOthum, kEtkum pOthum antha kathapaathirathin sOgam, kObam, thavippu nammaal nangu uNara mudigiRathu.
  
  kudos to Kamal, SPB, MSV & Kannadaasan
  
  

• From: Wibha on Tue Feb 27 23:32:51 2007.

  Shimla Specieal is a COOL movie
  
  i like Kamal's "Nizhal Niijamaagiradhu"
  
  i watched this movie like so many times.kamal's is mostly guest appearance kind of but still he was luking really gud and he did it so well
  
  da movie was awesome
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Feb 27 23:49:31 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  kudos to Kamal & SPB

  what abt MSV and kannadhasan?
  
  btw, there's quite a similar scene by sivaji in the movie rajapaat rangadhurai - naa sirikkirEn sirikkirEn sirippu varala. sivaji would do a clown stage performance here.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Feb 28 0:07:06 2007.

  Wibha wrote:

  Shimla Specieal is a COOL movie i like Kamal's "Nizhal Niijamaagiradhu" i watched this movie like so many times.kamal's is mostly guest appearance kind of but still he was luking really gud and he did it so well da movie was awesome

  i saw this movie only recently... a good movie.. but thalaivar shown to be a chain smoker
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Feb 28 0:11:42 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  I think he sings this song during the play - unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naalaa thaay madiyil pirandhoam thamizh madiyil valarndhoam nadigarena malarndhoam naadagaththil kalandhoam aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai sindhaadha kanneer illai sirippukku panjam illai kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai un kaiyil andha noolaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa I think in the song Kamal also hints at his friend's betrayal. Touching lyrics. intha paadalai paarkumpOthum, kEtkum pOthum antha kathapaathirathin sOgam, kObam, thavippu nammaal nangu uNara mudigiRathu. kudos to Kamal & SPB

  
  
  yes
  
  Lyrics continued..
  
  Yaar yaaro nanban endru yaemaantha nenjam ondru.
  Yaar yaaro nanban endru yaemaantha nenjam ondru.
  Poovendru mullai kandu puriyaamal nindraen indru..
  Paal Poala kallum undu nirathaalae rendum ondru..
  Naan enna kallaa paalaa, nee sollu nanthalaala
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Feb 28 0:17:19 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  Designer wrote: kudos to Kamal & SPB what abt MSV and kannadhasan?

  
  
  kudos to them also
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Feb 28 0:18:37 2007.

  ஆடாத மேடையில்லை
  போடாத வேஷம் இல்லை
  சிந்தாத கண்ணீர் இல்லை
  சிரிப்புக்கும் பஞ்சம் இல்லை
  
  கால் கொண்டு ஆடும் பிள்ளை
  நூல் கொண்டு ஆடும் பொம்மை
  
  உன் கையில் அந்த நூலா !
  நீ சொல்லு நந்தலாலா
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Feb 28 0:21:38 2007.

  edhukku vambu?
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naalaa
  
  thaay madiyil pirandhoam thamizh madiyil valarndhoam
  nadigarena malarndhoam naadagaththil kalandhoam
  thadhoam thadhoam thagadhimithoam
  thadhoam thadhoam thagadhimithoam
  thadhoam thadhoam thagadhimithoam...
  
  aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai
  aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai
  sindhaadha kanneer illai sirippukku panjam illai
  kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai
  kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai
  un kaiyil andha noolaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naala
  
  yaaraaroa nanban enru aemaandha nenjam onru
  poovenru mullaik kandu puriyaamal ninraen inru
  paal poalak kallum undu niraththaalae rendum onru
  paal poalak kallum undu niraththaalae rendum onru
  naan enna kallaa paalaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naala
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Feb 28 0:31:22 2007.

  super lyrics and great music. MSV is a genius.. he is very under-rated by the spoilt youth of today
  
  

• From: Wibha on Wed Feb 28 0:35:03 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  i saw this movie only recently... a good movie.. but thalaivar shown to be a chain smoker

  
  
  namma thala naraiya movies la chain smoker......... character adhu.as long as he DOES da character well...v should appreciate the fact that he DID like a CHAIN SMOKER instead of criticising it
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Feb 28 0:37:20 2007.

  Wibha wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: i saw this movie only recently... a good movie.. but thalaivar shown to be a chain smoker namma thala naraiya movies la chain smoker......... character adhu.as long as he DOES da character well...v should appreciate the fact that he DID like a CHAIN SMOKER instead of criticising it

  
  
  but, smoking didnt add anything positivie to the movie...
  
  PS: i know ur a KB fan
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Feb 28 0:57:56 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  super lyrics and great music. MSV is a genius.. he is very under-rated by the spoilt youth of today

  
  
  //Dig
  No Doubt. A week before Kumdam had a small info on Current MSV. His Health is not well nowadays and he had become lean. Only few from the industry like Kamal, KB, Vaali etc had visited him.
  
  Hope he get well soon.
  
  //Dig
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Feb 28 1:20:20 2007.

  http://agaramuthala.blogspot.com/2005/11/blog-post_113138425311814477.html
  
  via ThinkFloyd
  
  when i read this post, i feel that, its tough to maintain this stature for kamal, and the position where he stands today, it would need a big commitment to lead a career in thsi way. in these money minded days, kamal is becoming a very rare posession to be praised of and his works are results of hardwork which need to be given top importance
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Feb 28 1:41:18 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  //Dig No Doubt. A week before Kumdam had a small info on Current MSV. His Health is not well nowadays and he had become lean. Only few from the industry like Kamal, KB, Vaali etc had visited him. Hope he get well soon. //Dig

  
  
  
  
  Long Live MSV ..My prayers for him.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 3:45:24 2007.

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6ronBnf5eGI
  A silent symphony.
  Aandavar's "Pesum Padam" and Beethoven's sublime "Moonlight Sonata"
  

  Thilak wrote:

  Kamal's silent melody. The movie itself is a symphony. Who else but great Beethoven composes 'Moon light sonata' for this masterpeice. If you haven't seen this movie, you're missing something extraordinary. They don't make movies like this anymore!

  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 12:17:14 2007.

  Mothal question-ae DasavatharamLenthu start pannanga.
  
  Screenplay romba nalla irrukum. Naan mothala intha movieOda onliner solla pothey KSR padam superhitNu solli arambichaRu + 10 roles.Then KSR repeated the same thing and said i would consult KH before going for the shot as "He(kh) knows better than me".
  
  Then Manirathnam commented KH neraya velai paatharu during Nayagan . KH said I worked more like a Assistant dir. Intha mathiri Surrounding ennaku kidaikathaNu yEngurean same thing even Mani would feel.
  KSr then asked KH to say a sloka which KH did and he explained the meaning of the same.
  
  IR clipping was shown .
  
  Video footage of Balanchander was shown he mentioned a incident which occured during the shooting of Punnagai mannan ie during the song shooting of Mamavuku kuruma .. Kh sonnaru ennai kambi katti mela thooki kamikara mathiri athukku KB yEan ivlov riskyAna shot ? Kamal compel pannathala trail pakkam pothu Kamal fell down from 50 feet height , ithai kannir thalumba ninaivu kurthar KB.
  
  The program was similar to coffee with Anu
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Mar 4 12:20:31 2007.

  thanks for the update great
  
  it will be good if someone uploads the video in youtube
  
  PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 12:25:47 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga

  
  
  But the sets designs of Coffe with anu is good . I dunno why Sun TV is copying few shows of Vijay . VijayAe oru mokkai channel athuLenthu Sun copy pannuthu
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Mar 4 12:28:48 2007.

  Thirudan kittey irunthu thiruttu vaazgha jananayagam
  

  great wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga But the sets designs of Coffe with anu is good . I dunno why Sun TV is copying few shows of Vijay . VijayAe oru mokkai channel athuLenthu Sun copy pannuthu

  
  

• From: thimuru on Sun Mar 4 13:24:20 2007.

  I DONT KNOW WHats thiruttu here!
  
  its the same "nerukku ner" nigazhchi of suntv !
  
  havent interviews done before?
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 14:09:43 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  I DONT KNOW WHats thiruttu here! its the same "nerukku ner" nigazhchi of suntv ! havent interviews done before?

  
  
  Have they shown video clipping of other co-stars opinion before in the Nerukku Ner ngazhchi
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sun Mar 4 14:40:34 2007.

  I saw the program. Need to say that the program was not properly organised. At the end I felt it was incomplete. Half an hour is definitely not enough with clippings of others about Kamal. Gouthami, is sothappal. kELvi kEkkavE theriyala ChummA cinema thanamA expression mattum koduthaa sariyA. She is unable to speak in Thamizh fluently with a flow. Kamal munnAdi Englishla pEsa mudiyaathu - so it was obvious she was struggling. It reminded coffee with Anu program but CWA is a better organised and complte with a one full hour treat. Besides, the way Anu conducts the program is commendable. I dont think Gouthami can do such a neat job because of the language problem. Sat with lot of expectations and ended up with disappointment
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Sun Mar 4 14:48:53 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  I saw the program. Need to say that the program was not properly organised. At the end I felt it was incomplete. Half an hour is definitely not enough with clippings of others about Kamal. Gouthami, is sothappal. kELvi kEkkavE theriyala ChummA cinema thanamA expression mattum koduthaa sariyA. She is unable to speak in Thamizh fluently with a flow. Kamal munnAdi Englishla pEsa mudiyaathu - so it was obvious she was struggling. It reminded coffee with Anu program but CWA is a better organised and complte with a one full hour treat. Besides, the way Anu conducts the program is commendable. I dont think Gouthami can do such a neat job because of the language problem. Sat with lot of expectations and ended up with disappointment

  gauthami-a ya vidunga..
  
  thalaivar rocked... suntv idiots deleted some portions..
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Mar 4 14:50:40 2007.

  Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Sun Mar 4 14:53:19 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  thanks for the update great it will be good if someone uploads the video in youtube PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga

  CW karan and CW anu are both produced by STAR group.. so, no probs here... suntv is the black sheep
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 21:39:04 2007.

  ippo yArAvadhu Aandavar pesinadha viedo upload seyyalEnnA thondargal uNNaviradham senju tea-kudipp.. chi thI kuLippOm!
  
  Great,
  The lines you posted about Dasa are a little ambiguous.
  yAru enna kELvi kEttAinga? And yAru enna badhil sonnAinga?
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 21:40:39 2007.

  "Screenplay nalla irukkum" etc.......
  Not again!!!!!
  pattahdu podhAdhA???
  amaidhi nilavattum. padam pEsattum!
  
  

• From: kb on Sun Mar 4 21:52:15 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga

  
  
  athuve rendezvous with simi la irrundhu BIT-u.. guess it was lift from TBS or CBS
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:40:59 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  ippo yArAvadhu Aandavar pesinadha viedo upload seyyalEnnA thondargal uNNaviradham senju tea-kudipp.. chi thI kuLippOm! Great, The lines you posted about Dasa are a little ambiguous. yAru enna kELvi kEttAinga? And yAru enna badhil sonnAinga?

  
  
  Gauthami Kettanga athukku Kamal answer pannanga and video footage of KSR was also shown w.r.t Dasa.
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Sun Mar 4 22:42:56 2007.

  The interview was badly done
  Gauthami's expressions were very artificial / cinematic as Roshan pointed out.. Celebrties' opinions on Kamal were shown to him on a laptop ! Idukku Avanga Kamalukku laptop eduthu kudukkura oru repeat footage vera
  
  Anyways, Kamal was at his eloquent best..Some interesting things that were said were about an incident in which Kamal fell from a 50 feet high scaffolding during Punnagai Mannan shoot..(KB said this very emotionally in a footage).. The way Kamal described his fall was a screenplay in itself
  
  Mani Ratnam spoke about Kamal..He said since Kamal is a brilliant actor who also knows so much about other aspects of Cinema, he has an unfair advantage over others He also said Kamal has successfully balanced commercial and meaningful cinema, very much like walking a tight rope...
  Kamal responded saying that MR does not know how many times he has hurt himself falling down from that tight rope He said only he and his brother bore those losses and that his distributors can vouch for that fact..
  
  Kamal also recited a Adi Shankarar slokam / quote (on KSR's request)
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:43:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  "Screenplay nalla irukkum" etc....... Not again!!!!! pattahdu podhAdhA??? amaidhi nilavattum. padam pEsattum!

  
  
  Kamal about KSR
  athu mattum illa . KSR sonnarama intha one liner kettathukae padam superhitNu sonnaram then 10 rolesLa Kamal vEra ketkava venum .
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:48:22 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  The interview was badly done Gauthami's expressions were very artificial / cinematic as Roshan pointed out..

  
  Yes seems Gauthami has produced this show.She has not come out with questions the question she asked were already asked by N number of interviewers before .
  
  

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  (KB said this very emotionally in a footage).

  
  
  very emotional words were not coming out.
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:48:51 2007.

  great wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: ippo yArAvadhu Aandavar pesinadha viedo upload seyyalEnnA thondargal uNNaviradham senju tea-kudipp.. chi thI kuLippOm! Great, The lines you posted about Dasa are a little ambiguous. yAru enna kELvi kEttAinga? And yAru enna badhil sonnAinga? Gauthami Kettanga athukku Kamal answer pannanga and video footage of KSR was also shown w.r.t Dasa.

  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 22:50:19 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  The interview was badly done Gauthami's expressions were very artificial / cinematic as Roshan pointed out.. Celebrties' opinions on Kamal were shown to him on a laptop ! Idukku Avanga Kamalukku laptop eduthu kudukkura oru repeat footage vera

  
  
  
  
  

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Mani Ratnam spoke about Kamal..He said since Kamal is a brilliant actor who also knows so much about other aspects of Cinema, he has an unfair advantage over others He also said Kamal has successfully balanced commercial and meaningful cinema, very much like walking a tight rope... Kamal responded saying that MR does not know how many times he has hurt himself falling down from that tight rope He said only he and his brother bore those losses and that his distributors can vouch for that fact..

  
  
  
  

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Kamal also recited a Adi Shanakara slokam / quote (on KSR's request)

  
  kalaikkadavuL kamal-ai ariyAdhAr ariyadhArE!
  
  

• From: Wibha on Sun Mar 4 22:52:25 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Mani Ratnam spoke about Kamal..He said since Kamal is a brilliant actor who also knows so much about other aspects of Cinema, he has an unfair advantage over others He also said Kamal has successfully balanced commercial and meaningful cinema, very much like walking a tight rope... Kamal responded saying that MR does not know how many times he has hurt himself falling down from that tight rope He said only he and his brother bore those losses and that his distributors can vouch for that fact..

  
  
  dats KAMAL and mani
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 0:04:18 2007.

  great wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga But the sets designs of Coffe with anu is good . I dunno why Sun TV is copying few shows of Vijay . VijayAe oru mokkai channel athuLenthu Sun copy pannuthu

  
  
  [DIGR]
  Great : Some years ago, after Vijay TV changed hands from Vijay Mallya to Rupert Murdoch and became STAR VIJAY, they copied most of the popular (then) programmes of Sun TV
  
  Yaaru entha programme la yaarOda coffe kudichaanga nu mukkiyam illai, Coffee nalla irunthicha, Programme nalla irunthichaannu than mukkiyam !
  [/DIGR]
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 0:39:31 2007.

  great,ulaganayagan&Roshan,
  Are you saying that I was better off attending the(prescheduled) dinner meet than watching this program yesterday?
  
  Romba varuthapatten,Thalaiver interview a miss pannaporam-nnu.
  
  'Coffee with Anu' is according to me superior to 'Coffee With Karan'.She chooses her artists well,asks fairly intelligent questions&the 1 hour time provided means that the interview can be rounded off neatly.
  
  Thought this will also be a 1 hour show,1/2 hour is hardly enough that too for someone like KH.
  
  Gouthami was never a great actress,she was just a pretty face in the late 80's,early 90's,looks like she is not even a good interviewee.Anyways my comments on her reserved till I watch the next episode.
  
  Finally apart from KSR,KH on Dasa,KH,Mani on Nayakan&KH,KB on the Punnagai Mannan fall,was there anything else?
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 0:58:11 2007.

  Thalaivar's answers were top notch .. The Best part of the interview was Illayaraaja's question.
  
  IlayaRaaja: ivaru pala achievements panni irukkaaru.. but, innum oru achievement irukku.. athaiyum nichayam pannuvaaru.. naan ennanu ippo solla maatten.. athu avarukku theriyum.. Kamal eppo atha panna poreenga???
  
  Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over..
  
  
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 1:06:00 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Thalaivar's answers were top notch .. The Best part of the interview was Illayaraaja's question. IlayaRaaja: ivaru pala achievements panni irukkaaru.. but, innum oru achievement irukku.. athaiyum nichayam pannuvaaru.. naan ennanu ippo solla maatten.. athu avarukku theriyum.. Kamal eppo atha panna poreenga??? Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over..

  
  
  
  
  The interview was very artificial
  
  But Kamal's answers made it worth a watch.
  
  Seems SunTV is having a very tough competition nowadays...
  Asatha Poavathu Yaaru
  Anbudan
  Aratai Arangam with TR
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 1:26:29 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Seems SunTV is having a very tough competition nowadays... Asatha Poavathu Yaaru Anbudan Aratai Arangam with TR

  
  
  Yes...
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Mon Mar 5 1:31:19 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  great,ulaganayagan&Roshan, Are you saying that I was better off attending the(prescheduled) dinner meet than watching this program yesterday?

  
  You certainly didnt miss much (other than watching Thalaivar on screen).. As you said, 30 minutes is too short a time to interview a person like Kamal.. Athuleyum 5 minutes ad break, 10 minutes celeb interviews, laptop slo-mo's, appadi ippadinnu Kamal pesanadhu oru 15 minutes thaan irukkum
  Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions..
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 1:35:45 2007.

  When was kamal's Last interview to Tamizh channels
  
  Gouthami is the producer of this show right? so She used Kamal to Promote ...
  
  and the Interview was not good, except kamal's way of replying ( as usual)
  
  he spoke about his fans, that was really super
  
  Reel veru real veru, Ungalukku enna Pudikkumo athu mathree naan dance aaduren, at the same time screenu kku veliya naan enna solreno athu mathree neenga dance aadanum.... he is a good leader,
  
  do not walk in front of me , i am not ur follower,
  do not walk behind me , i m not ur leader.
  come lets walk together .....
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:36:00 2007.

  - Redundant post
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 1:38:28 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  Thirumaran wrote: Seems SunTV is having a very tough competition nowadays... Asatha Poavathu Yaaru Anbudan Aratai Arangam with TR Yes...

  
  
  
  
  Ayyyo..... SUN TV-yula varum vara nigazhigal parthal, enakku pothigai TV than gnabagam varthu
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:39:06 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  he spoke about his fans, that was really super Reel veru real veru, Ungalukku enna Pudikkumo athu mathree naan dance aaduren, at the same time screenu kku veliya naan enna solreno athu mathree neenga dance aadanum.... he is a good leader, do not walk in front of me , i am not ur follower, do not walk behind me , i m not ur leader. come lets walk together .....

  
  
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over..

  
  
  
  [Whistle- ku icon irundha nalla irukkum]
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 1:39:54 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  "Screenplay nalla irukkum" etc....... Not again!!!!! pattahdu podhAdhA??? amaidhi nilavattum. padam pEsattum!

  he said, screenplay nalla vanthurukku.. Apoorva sagotharargal-ai vidia 10 madangu paaraatugal kidaikka vendum.. kidaikkum endra nambikkayil naangal irukkirrom..
  
  
  whats wrong in this???? nothing at all..
  
  
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:41:09 2007.

  Sanjeevi wrote:

  Ayyyo..... SUN TV-yula varum vara nigazhigal parthal, enakku pothigai TV than gnabagam varthu

  
  Podhigai-a kelava paduthaadheenga.. adhula appappo nalla program poduvaan...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 1:43:36 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  When was kamal's Last interview to Tamizh channels Gouthami is the producer of this show right? so She used Kamal to Promote ... and the Interview was not good, except kamal's way of replying ( as usual) he spoke about his fans, that was really super Reel veru real veru, Ungalukku enna Pudikkumo athu mathree naan dance aaduren, at the same time screenu kku veliya naan enna solreno athu mathree neenga dance aadanum.... he is a good leader, do not walk in front of me , i am not ur follower, do not walk behind me , i m not ur leader. come lets walk together .....

  siva, a fan from salem vimalraj also participated in this interview.. thalaivar askedhim about his narpanigal.. Aandavar became so happy and said " naan en pengalukku kalyaanam aagum pothu adaiyum santhosathai vida, en rasigargal narpani seyyum poluthu santhosam adaigiren... ivargalukku, naan tharum parisu, ivargal virumbum nalla cinema thaan"
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 1:44:56 2007.

  but as usual, the sun tv people deleted this part...
  
  the interview was first taken on tuesday morning .. then, they werent satisfied with the output, hence it was taken again..
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 1:45:15 2007.

  As TM said, Kamal's precense and answers made the show very worthful. Kamal looked very very young.
  
  Initially, I thought this programme was captured 15 years back . But gowthami partha udanthan ippo eduthathunu purinchukitten .
  
  Answer was top class . Kamal said that he treat in same line the different poles Athi sangarar and periyar, gandhi, etc. And he captures the good things from that persons. Definitely, Kamal satharanamana nathigar alla, veru ethavathu oru varthaiyae kandupidikkalam.
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 1:48:05 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Sanjeevi wrote: Ayyyo..... SUN TV-yula varum vara nigazhigal parthal, enakku pothigai TV than gnabagam varthu Podhigai-a kelava paduthaadheenga.. adhula appappo nalla program poduvaan...

  
  
  I agree pothigai telecasting some good worthable programmes.
  What I meant, the presentation style not the programme's quality.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:49:34 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  he said, screenplay nalla vanthurukku.. Apoorva sagotharargal-ai vidia 10 madangu paaraatugal kidaikka vendum.. kidaikkum endra nambikkayil naangal irukkirrom.. whats wrong in this???? nothing at all..

  
  
  1) He should NOT give interviews until after the movie is released.
  2) Even if he does, he should not talk much about Dasa.. least of all, he shouldn't indulge in saying "Aboorva-vida 10 madangu irukkum.. MMKR-a vida 8 madangu irukkum" etc ...
  Have you forgotten what happened to MX?
  Remember the 500 rupee note promo?
  3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru
  Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?"
  Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.."
  Adhu asnwer!
  I'm NOT saying that a movie is good or bad because "makkalukku pidichirukku". I don't give a damn what makkal think about Hey Ram or Anbe Sivam for e.g..
  What i'm saying is self-hype can backfire badly.. it has happened with Alavandhaan and MX. I'm talking about commercial success.
  I'm pretty sure Dasa screenplay will be nothing less than brilliant, given Nammavar's track record.. but pre-release interviews and hype from Aandavar are signs of danger.
  
  Bottom Line: unmaya solradha vida adha enga eppo solradhu-ngaradhu dhaan mukkiyam.
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 2:00:05 2007.

  More and more questions....
  
  when mani sir mentioned" kamal has an unfair advantage"
  
  Gouthami : eppadi ungalukkulla intha oru talent
  
  Kamal: Chaaruhaasan, chandirhaasan mathree talent aana manitharkaloda sool nilayil valarntha kaaranithilayo, ( he mentioned some others too, i forgot)
  
  ya, he spoke about periyaar,aadhi sankarar,gandhi...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:08:03 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  What i'm saying is self-hype can backfire badly.. it has happened with Alavandhaan and MX. I'm talking about commercial success. I'm pretty sure Dasa screenplay will be nothing less than brilliant, given Nammavar's track record.. but pre-release interviews and hype from Aandavar are signs of danger. Bottom Line: unmaya solradha vida adha enga eppo solradhu-ngaradhu dhaan mukkiyam.

  that is not self hype ..
  
  for aalavandhan. kalaipoonai leaked out many super scenes... that was over- hype..
  
  for MX, there was no hype inspite of 500rs note still...
  
  
  for DASA, the makkal need to know abt the movie..
  
  Anbesivam failed because, there wasnt any hype at all.. if anbesivam had hype, then it wud have been a hit for sure..
  
  

• From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Mar 5 2:08:16 2007.

  Quote:

  1) He should NOT give interviews until after the movie is released. 2) Even if he does, he should not talk much about Dasa.. least of all, he shouldn't indulge in saying "Aboorva-vida 10 madangu irukkum.. MMKR-a vida 8 madangu irukkum" etc ... Have you forgotten what happened to MX? Remember the 500 rupee note promo? 3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer! I'm NOT saying that a movie is good or bad because "makkalukku pidichirukku". I don't give a damn what makkal think about Hey Ram or Anbe Sivam for e.g.. What i'm saying is self-hype can backfire badly.. it has happened with Alavandhaan and MX. I'm talking about commercial success. I'm pretty sure Dasa screenplay will be nothing less than brilliant, given Nammavar's track record.. but pre-release interviews and hype from Aandavar are signs of danger. Bottom Line: unmaya solradha vida adha enga eppo solradhu-ngaradhu dhaan mukkiyam. _________________

  
  
  joining ur coneverse....
  
  
  s think floyd even i feel the same .he creates lot of expectations.ofcourse it satisfies we kamal fans but non kamal fans who come to watch the movie delibrately say like"idhuka ivvalo hype koduthaanga not up to expectation pa"slowly this will spread among people and some people who might think of watching the film might not evn watch afetr getting such reviews.also ur point floyd "aboorava sagaodharagal'ai vida 10 times nalla irrukum'nu sonna then they will start comparing with that will fim and come out with negatives alone.kamal padam sonnale thaana hype create aagidum.think he should stop with that.adhukapparom andha padathula work panna people'am over'a kamal'iyum andha padathiyum pugazhlaradhu should be avoided that too before the film release
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:09:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer!

  Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you ..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:12:37 2007.

  karthik_sa2 wrote:

  "aboorava sagaodharagal'ai vida 10 times nalla irrukum'nu sonna then they will start comparing with that will fim and come out with negatives alone.kamal padam sonnale thaana hype create aagidum.think he should stop with that.adhukapparom andha padathula work panna people'am over'a kamal'iyum andha padathiyum pugazhlaradhu should be avoided that too before the film release

  he never said that.. he said, intha padathula potta ulaippuku AS-a vida 10 madangu Paarattu kidaikkanum he never said that the movie will be 10 times AS.. please comprehend properly..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:19:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: 3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer! Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you ..

  
  He is not a pessimist. He is a realist
  He (nor I) never said it won't be a hit. He just implied "It doesn't matter what i think. The people have to decide".
  Again, i'm referring to the BO results, not the quality.
  
  AV - Minus the hype, the fall would have been smaller. Conversely, maybe it is the hype which was responsible for the opening.
  
  MX - The point is NOT whether there is hype or not. The point is about self-hype. In this case, what you have told is even worse - no hype but only self-hype.
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 2:19:48 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions..

  
  
  Heard about it.I think someone from the Hub has posted it on Youtube too but how about giving more details on that one than this.
  
  Yes,Sun is having serious competition&I am somehow feeling that *Vijay is actually turning out to be the best of the Tamil channels(it's not a compliment,best of Worst).
  
  'Asathapovadhu........' was bad,doesn't mean 'Kalakkapovathu.........' was any better
  
  Gouthami-producer a?Konjam Thalaiver kitte idea keatirikkalam on how do a program like this efficiently.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:21:48 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: thinkfloyd wrote: 3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer! Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you .. He is not a pessimist. He is a realist He (nor I) never said it won't be a hit. He just implied "It doesn't matter what i think. The people have to decide". Again, i'm referring to the BO results, not the quality. AV - Minus the hype, the fall would have been smaller. Conversely, maybe it is the hype which was responsible for the opening. MX - The point is NOT whether there is hype or not. The point is about self-hype. In this case, what you have told is even worse - no hype but only self-hype.

  unfortunately yes.. the trailor was bad.. the songs were very good but not "commercial"... no get up.. sotha heroine.. side actors who have absolutely no market... thalaivarukku remba thairiyam paa...
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:21:59 2007.

  I too feel kamal should avoid talking much about his movies before release.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:25:16 2007.

  joe wrote:

  I too feel kamal should avoid talking much about his movies before release.

  it only happened for aalavandhan that too because of thaanu...
  
  
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:26:43 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions..

  
  The interview was MUCH better... perhaps one of the best i've seen..
  adhAn Kerala rasanaikkum namma rasanaikkum ulla vidhyaasam
  
  I remember Vijay Sarathy, of all the people, interviewing Aandavar soemtime back... As expected, the most inane of questions.. Wonder how Aandavar resisted banging V.S's head against the wall..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:28:59 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  unfortunately yes.. the trailor was bad.. the songs were very good but not "commercial"... no get up.. sotha heroine.. side actors who have absolutely no market... thalaivarukku remba thairiyam paa...

  
  Karthikeya
  idhAnE vENAm-garadhu.. adhAvadhu, content-thavira matha yellAr mElayum blame-a pOdradhu
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:29:27 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you .. He is not a pessimist. He is a realist He (nor I) never said it won't be a hit. He just implied "It doesn't matter what i think. The people have to decide". Again, i'm referring to the BO results, not the quality.

  CH had told to Narasimman b4 virumandi release "thambi panatha thanniya selavalichurukkaan.. enna nadakkumo? "
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:30:20 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  joe wrote: I too feel kamal should avoid talking much about his movies before release. it only happened for aalavandhan that too because of thaanu...

  
  
  It happened to Heyram also..what happened to VV was in reverse .
  
  kamal movies will easily get critised since kamal movies making a huge expectation and most of the kamal audience think kamal is not needed for an ordinary movie . So it is better not to give any kind of hints which will cause disappointment later.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:32:02 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  CH had told to Narasimman b4 virumandi release "thambi panatha thanniya selavalichurukkaan.. enna nadakkumo? "

  
  Yeah, KB also told this in audio release...
  
  "selavazhuchuNdE irukkAn"
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 2:32:24 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Thalaivar's answers were top notch .. The Best part of the interview was Illayaraaja's question. IlayaRaaja: ivaru pala achievements panni irukkaaru.. but, innum oru achievement irukku.. athaiyum nichayam pannuvaaru.. naan ennanu ippo solla maatten.. athu avarukku theriyum.. Kamal eppo atha panna poreenga??? Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over.. The interview was very artificial But Kamal's answers made it worth a watch. ------

  
  
  yes. I felt Gauthami was being too formal with Kamal. I liked his forthright answers and the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:34:23 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them

  
  
  Did he mention anything about NT?
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 2:38:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd,
  I am always with you on Sir overhyping his films sometimes,most recent examples Hey Ram,Aalavandhaan&MX.
  
  But for 10A,he has hardly spoken anything.Come on,after all he is in a field where Public/Media relations make a big difference&this might be his ONLY interview to the TV/Print media before it's release,konjam pesina thappile.
  
  BTW,on the film his exact words pls,let us decide if it's publicity or over hype after that
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:41:29 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: unfortunately yes.. the trailor was bad.. the songs were very good but not "commercial"... no get up.. sotha heroine.. side actors who have absolutely no market... thalaivarukku remba thairiyam paa... Karthikeya idhAnE vENAm-garadhu.. adhAvadhu, content-thavira matha yellAr mElayum blame-a pOdradhu

  ithu ellaam thalaivarin thavaru thaan.. i dont blame those others..
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 2:42:13 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Designer wrote: the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them Did he mention anything about NT?

  
  
  Not Much..
  
  he mentioned about Devar magan dialogues...
  
  kamal: Dasavathrathai panathu kkaka panrathaa iruntha , intha padathai pannirukkave maatten,
  panathukkaka pannaumnaa, dasa edukkira time la naan 3 padam nadichi mudichiruppen..
  
  i don think he hyped DASA...
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 2:42:18 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Designer wrote: the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them Did he mention anything about NT?

  
  
  Ya he did when speaking about 'Devar Magan'. He said, the dialogue with NT :
  
  Kamal : ayya ithu nadakkalainna naan sethu pOyiduvEn !
  
  NT : appO seththu pO! ellaarum oru naaL sethu thaan pOvaanga... (etc, I dont remember the full dialogue, but its the scene after the caste unrest in the village, and NT & Kamal are discussing heatedly about something).
  
  Kamal said he wrote this particular dialogue because he wanted his father, NT to tell these words to him, his son !
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 2:45:41 2007.

  Karthi, chumma niruththunga, Kalaipoonai or puli never hyped, or his hype was not at all reached\remembered. but i remember kamal's over hyping interview....kodumai pathaathunnu vairamuththu vera ......VM told that Aalavanthaan gira name kku pakkathula oru symbol : ( athu kamal rathathula ezuthinathunnu nenaikkiren...
  
  and kamal athukku samantham illlaama reply vera panninaar. pothuva kamal interview makkalukku romba puriyarathillai. athukkaaga avar interview tharavenaamnu sollalai, padam pathi pesa venaamnu solren. Thinkfloyd is (100% ) x 10 Times correct!
  
  Digg - gautami spoke thus, for a question - naan ungalai Shooting spotla paathirukken, veetlayum paathirukken(intha idaththula balamaana sirippu ezunthathu - courtesy, my rajni fan friends)
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:46:34 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  Kamal said he wrote this particular dialogue because he wanted his father, NT to tell these words to him, his son !

  
  
  wow!
  
  Kamal - NT -kku Per Sollum PiLLai
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:48:54 2007.

  kamal pakthargal (not rasigargal) kamalai vimarsippathu paarkka nalla irukku
  
  

• From: Roshan on Mon Mar 5 2:49:26 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum

  
  
  avar mattumthaan pEsunaar - Gouthami was looking dumb SUN TV's editing was too bad,
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:51:17 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  joe wrote: Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum avar mattumthaan pEsunaar - Gouthami was looking dumb SUN TV's editing was too bad,

  
  
  Hmm.. Gowthami-kku vera eli kidaikkaliya
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 2:51:23 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Digg - gautami spoke thus, for a question - naan ungalai Shooting spotla paathirukken, veetlayum paathirukken(intha idaththula balamaana sirippu ezunthathu - courtesy, my rajni fan friends)

  
  
  Thevai illadha comment.What happens in the personal life should be left there.
  
  KH idhai romba kaalama kapathurar,hope she follows that in future.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:51:26 2007.

  joe wrote:

  kamal pakthargal (not rasigargal) kamalai vimarsippathu paarkka nalla irukku

  
  idha nAnga kathukkittadhE Aandavar kitta dhAn
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 2:52:12 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  joe wrote: Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum avar mattumthaan pEsunaar - Gouthami was looking dumb SUN TV's editing was too bad,

  
  
  Yes ,
  
  BUt Gouthami looks good...
  
  Sakala what is there to laugh, anything wrong in that,
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:54:48 2007.

  I am sure kamal will give more interviews atleast for the sake of DASA releasing with more than 1000 prints including hindi.. publicity venum.. its not hype..
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Mar 5 2:55:50 2007.

  Thinkfloyd ur posts on hype
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:57:37 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: Digg - gautami spoke thus, for a question - naan ungalai Shooting spotla paathirukken, veetlayum paathirukken(intha idaththula balamaana sirippu ezunthathu - courtesy, my rajni fan friends) Thevai illadha comment.What happens in the personal life should be left there. KH idhai romba kaalama kapathurar,hope she follows that in future.

  
  
  VV - audio release @ Sathyam.
  Annanum anniyum balatha varavErpukku naduvula vandhAnga.. serndhu okkAndhAnga.. innum soundu...
  
  BR in his speech said "bayam koNda soozhalil pirandha Kamalukku bayam theriyAdhu" (pArpanAr kudumbathil pirandhadhai kurithu)...
  "avan eppavume olinju marainju edhayum seyya mAttAn.. ellAme neradiya thAn seivAn.."
  
  What we or others think of Annan-Anni is immaterial. What's important is what they mean to each other. We have no business being judgemental about it
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:57:51 2007.

  Kamal's true friendship with rajini :
  
  In recent function ,NT's grandson's marriage Kalainjar asked rajini(who was sitting 4 seats away) to come and sit his beside ,then Rajini asked kamal also join with them ..Kamal went to kalainjar and told "Aiyya ! Innikku Rajini Thirumana NaL .avarai vazhthunga!" ,then kalainjar wished rajini.
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 2:58:39 2007.

  I remember the programme in Vijay TV by Mathan and Kamal about Virumandi before Virumandi release. It was nice to wach
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 3:00:46 2007.

  Sanjeevi wrote:

  I remember the programme in Vijay TV by Mathan and Kamal about Virumandi before Virumandi release. It was nice to wach

  
  Superb interview!
  Aandavar was all guns blazing that day. He was really in a belligerent mood
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 3:01:02 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  I am sure kamal will give more interviews atleast for the sake of DASA releasing with more than 1000 prints including hindi.. publicity venum.. its not hype..

  
  
  Publicity is needed. But not hype like the one happened for MX. Let the movie talk instead Kamal/Some other making talks big about the film before release
  
  But in yesterday's interview there were no such hypes
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 3:01:28 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Kamal's true friendship with rajini : In recent function ,NT's grandson's marriage Kalainjar asked rajini(who was sitting 4 seats away) to come and sit his beside ,then Rajini asked kamal also join with them ..Kamal went to kalainjar and told "Aiyya ! Innikku Rajini Thirumana NaL .avarai vazhthunga!" ,then kalainjar wished rajini.

  
  
  Joe : nice info. btw Kamal & Rajini comment on each others' performances with criticism & praise, both negative & positive aspects, just as friends would do
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 3:04:13 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  joe wrote: kamal pakthargal (not rasigargal) kamalai vimarsippathu paarkka nalla irukku idha nAnga kathukkittadhE Aandavar kitta dhAn

  
  
  Kamal ai pathi paarutu mattum allaamal vimarsanamum sama alavail avanga rasigargal kodupathaalthaan, Kamal is nearing 50 years in cine industry.
  
  Inga Irukaravanga verum jaalra adikkum kootam alla
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:13:23 2007.

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????
  
  
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:17:40 2007.

  i believe the shadow of small girl dancing in the beginning of that program is kamals younger daughter...Ive seen her...
  
  same height hair style......i strongly believe its his younger daughter
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:18:41 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  i believe the shadow of small girl dancing in the beginning of that program is kamals younger daughter...Ive seen her... same height hair style......i strongly believe its his younger daughter

  me too.. its aksara...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:20:03 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  
  
  baba
  aalavandhan
  
  
  both would have had a decen run atleast if they are not hyped...
  
  example for a movie which came up with extreme hype and fulfilled the hype completely...."INDIAN"
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:20:39 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  Alavandhan and MX didnt flop because they were over hyped.. the content didnt go well with the audience... first u people understand that...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:23:07 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping????? baba aalavandhan

  its only because of the hype these movies got a great opening.. otherwise
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:24:52 2007.

  aalavandhan had a great chance of becoming a top class thriller or a wonderful masala!
  
  they tried to do both ...that made the difference!
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:26:00 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  aalavandhan had a great chance of becoming a top class thriller or a wonderful masala! they tried to do both ...that made the difference!

  yes thimuru.. it was neither this or that.. finally it ended up in no man's land
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 3:37:56 2007.

  DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie,
  
  Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much,
  
  some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan.
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Mon Mar 5 3:46:15 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  Ulaganayagan wrote: Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions.. Heard about it.I think someone from the Hub has posted it on Youtube too but how about giving more details on that one than this.

  
  Dont remember the wordings or the exact details of the conversation...
  
  He spoke about Dasa, he said that it would be a satire and he also talked about Nt's Navarathiri.
  He spoke about politics, communism etc. About Ramadoss and others who caused trouble during Virumandi and MX, he said they just need a platform to boost themselves, and that they wouldnt mind stepping on a crocodile, as long as it gives them leverage
  He spoke of his association with Mallu cinema, his friends like Soman, whom he misses dearly.. He said that he never experienced the kind of camaraderie that existed in Malayalam cinema in the 80's, in any other industry...
  He spoke about his other interests like poetry (he recited one of his poems), singing (sang a classical song) and dancing.. He mentioned that he still holds a choreographer license..
  
  

• From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Mar 5 3:46:30 2007.

  Quote:

  Designer wrote: Kamal said he wrote this particular dialogue because he wanted his father, NT to tell these words to him, his son ! wow! Kamal - NT -kku Per Sollum PiLLai

  
  
  joe
  endha function ponaalum NT'a pathi paesama irrukavae maatar kamal.atleast oru vaarthai nichiyama paesiduvaar.nice..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:47:31 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Sla_rO528
  first part of the interview...
  
  
  listen carefully he says,
  
  "screenplay vithiyaasama irukku" .. not nalla irukku.. super-aa irukku.. i hope our fans here will stop misinterpreting or twisting Kamal's words
  
  

• From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Mar 5 3:53:56 2007.

  Quote:

  DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan

  
  
  but even anbae sivam had hype
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:54:54 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan.

  yes ur correct siva.. Anniyan without hype wud have been a disaster..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:55:20 2007.

  karthik_sa2 wrote:

  Quote: DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan but even anbae sivam had hype

  
  
  no hype...no hype whatsoever...the film came with no hype....
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:57:01 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  karthik_sa2 wrote: Quote: DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan but even anbae sivam had hype no hype...no hype whatsoever...the film came with no hype....

  no hype... and absolutely near zero publicity...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 4:03:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  thimuru wrote: karthik_sa2 wrote: Quote: DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan but even anbae sivam had hype no hype...no hype whatsoever...the film came with no hype.... no hype... and absolutely near zero publicity...

  
  
  padam release aanadhe palarukku therila...thats true!
  
  the film would have been hit if its hyped for its content
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 4:28:36 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  What we or others think of Annan-Anni is immaterial. What's important is what they mean to each other. We have no business being judgemental about it

  
  
  No one's being judgemental.There was no need/motive to add that line when she was doing a professional( I Hope) interview.
  
  Anyways let's leave it at this,surely with Sir,there are more imp things to talk about
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Mon Mar 5 4:54:52 2007.

  Prior to its release, Nammavar compared 5thanthiram song with Tillana Mohanambal !!!!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 5:01:31 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: What we or others think of Annan-Anni is immaterial. What's important is what they mean to each other. We have no business being judgemental about it No one's being judgemental.There was no need/motive to add that line when she was doing a professional( I Hope) interview. Anyways let's leave it at this,surely with Sir,there are more imp things to talk about

  
  
  Aahaa.. naan solla vandhadhu some people were/would be judgemental... there is no need to dismiss it as "personal.. adhanaale pesa vendaam...".. that line implies that "something is wrong, and we need not talk about it.." i was just saying what's wrong with it...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 5:04:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  
  We can't prove emprically that a movie flopped ONLY because of hyping. What is important (and will be remembered by the public) is when a movie is hyped by its maker/main person, AND it flops, it becomes an embarassing situation.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 7:43:32 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping????? We can't prove emprically that a movie flopped ONLY because of hyping. What is important (and will be remembered by the public) is when a movie is hyped by its maker/main person, AND it flops, it becomes an embarassing situation.

  yes.. i agree.. but ur are more worried abt this embarassing situation rather than positively considering interviews as a promotion venture thats why i call u a pessimist.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 7:50:50 2007.

  well he too, like everyone was optimistic during HeyRaam and Aalavanthaan! I guess Bala is not pessimistinc, but he feels its better if aandavar avoids to quote some quantitization, like getting 10 times the response of Aboorva Sagothoarargal. His previous post itself is self-explanatory. if you or me express our expectations, no probs, we don;t have read the script. but the author himself claims something and if, IF, by some chance, it didnt make out, then we will end up the same old situation. Bala never wanted you or me to stop shouting happily about Dasa
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 8:06:02 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  well he too, like everyone was optimistic during HeyRaam and Aalavanthaan! I guess Bala is not pessimistinc, but he feels its better if aandavar avoids to quote some quantitization, like getting 10 times the response of Aboorva Sagothoarargal. His previous post itself is self-explanatory. if you or me express our expectations, no probs, we don;t have read the script. but the author himself claims something and if, IF, by some chance, it didnt make out, then we will end up the same old situation. Bala never wanted you or me to stop shouting happily about Dasa

  i am not blaming him.. i just want to establish my point that, Hype is only good for a movie..
  
  Hype, may degrade the actor's reputation.. but, everyone in the industry have hyped and flopped atleast once...
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Mar 5 9:28:43 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Sla_rO528 first part of the interview...

  
  
  I think it was Kamal's magnanimity that he put up with such inane questions. 'Tell me about your growth as a producer, director,..'. Kamal kitta ketka vendiya kelviya idhu! It was neither a chat show, nor an interview. Hope the second part is more interesting..
  
  Another question: Manirathnam yen sait madhiri tamizh pesararu?
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 9:31:17 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Sla_rO528 first part of the interview... I think it was Kamal's magnanimity that he put up with such inane questions. 'Tell me about your growth as a producer, director,..'. Kamal kitta ketka vendiya kelviya idhu! It was neither a chat show, nor an interview. Hope the second part is more interesting.. Another question: Manirathnam yen sait madhiri tamizh pesararu?

  atha vidunga, avaru padathula characters pesurathu very artificial.. ellorum romba secretive-a pesuvaanga.. but it wont look natural at all..
  
  

• From: ramdas2005 on Mon Mar 5 9:33:05 2007.

  Hi,
  Kamal mentioned that for the work that has gone into DASA, he wishes(wishful thinking) the response is 10 times as AS, that would be the real salary for the people involved in DASA. He did not give out any more details expect the sloka which KSR asked him to recite. In my opinion he never tried to hype the movie or anything like that. So far the main folks who have talked abt DASA have mentioned how tough it is to do the film, that's it. Also he mentioned if it was purely for money, he would have quit making DASA,The team is trying hard to give something good. So where is the hype here???
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 9:34:57 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Another question: Manirathnam yen sait madhiri tamizh pesararu?

  
  
  avar rendu vartha pesittu meethiya north india-poi pesurennu sollama irunthare .athuve perusu
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 9:41:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  i am not blaming him.. i just want to establish my point that, Hype is only good for a movie.. Hype, may degrade the actor's reputation.. but, everyone in the industry have hyped and flopped atleast once...

  
  Sakala said it right, Karthi...
  
  Again, you are not getting the point. We are not saying that hype is bad... do you think the actor/director talking about his own movie is hype? I'm sorry but there are better ways to generate hype and infact, Dasa ku thAnA hype varudhu/varum..And Oscar pannuvAru, kavalai vEndAm
  
  Anyway let's put this argument to rest
  
  Great/Balaji,
  chinna slip pannitteengale.. aanaa enna implication??
  1) He just said "vidhyasamana screenplay.. novel-a irukkum..."
  2) He said (like Karthi pointed out) "idhula poiyurukkara uzhaippukku Aboorva-vida 10 madangu parattu kidaikkanum..." That is, he was explaining the hardships in acting/making a movie like this wherein he can't afford to be just a director because otherwise there would be slip-ups.. like he has to point out "make-up poga podhu.. andha close-up eduthuralaam" etc.. Context is very important when we quote Balaji
  
  Hope someone would post the remaining part....
  
  
  [/b]
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 9:49:07 2007.

  Andava,
  Thanks for the video
  
  Thinkfloyd,
  enna unga anni ippadi sothappittanga
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 9:52:43 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  
  
  Aalavandhan!!!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 9:53:20 2007.

  ramdas2005 wrote:

  Hi, Kamal mentioned that for the work that has gone into DASA, he wishes(wishful thinking) the response is 10 times as AS, that would be the real salary for the people involved in DASA. He did not give out any more details expect the sloka which KSR asked him to recite. In my opinion he never tried to hype the movie or anything like that. So far the main folks who have talked abt DASA have mentioned how tough it is to do the film, that's it. Also he mentioned if it was purely for money, he would have quit making DASA,The team is trying hard to give something good. So where is the hype here???

  
  Ramdas,
  Agree, a couple of lines were misquoted..
  
  Still, my stand of adakki vasichufying holds good (going forward)
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 9:55:10 2007.

  great wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping????? Aalavandhan!!!

  no great.. do u think without hype, the movie wud have been a hit???? no chance.. the biggggg budget and a slightly laggin screenplay was the reason..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 9:55:53 2007.

  Joe for ur avatar
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 9:56:23 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Andava, Thanks for the video Thinkfloyd, enna unga anni ippadi sothappittanga

  
  adhAn!
  
  Her Thamizh wasn't that bad, considering the fact that she isn't a native speaker... but the questions
  By the way, waiting to see K.B's reaction and Raaja's question/answer...
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 9:59:17 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Great/Balaji, chinna slip pannitteengale.. aanaa enna implication?? 1) He just said "vidhyasamana screenplay.. novel-a irukkum..." 2) He said (like Karthi pointed out) "idhula poiyurukkara uzhaippukku Aboorva-vida 10 madangu parattu kidaikkanum..." That is, he was explaining the hardships in acting/making a movie like this wherein he can't afford to be just a director because otherwise there would be slip-ups.. like he has to point out "make-up poga podhu.. andha close-up eduthuralaam" etc.. Context is very important when we quote Balaji Hope someone would post the remaining part.... [/b]

  
  
  yes he did mention that screenpaly would be a Novel attempt. I just typed it in a hurry . But intha moviekku hype and interview thevai illai as kamal is doing 10 different role that itself is enought . Screenplay vithyasama irruku/ romba nalla vanthurukku , novel item etc etc and 10 times Aboorva SahothararOda parattu kedaicha thaan engalOdaya effort paLan kedaicha maathiri etc etc would increase the expectation . I am happy that KSR is checking with Kamal before every shot its shows his involvement and he wants the output to be perfect .
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:05:11 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  no great.. do u think without hype, the movie wud have been a hit???? no chance.. the biggggg budget and a slightly laggin screenplay was the reason..

  
  
  Aalavandhan-ku kedaicha hype romba athigam starting from the Muhurath and the paper would flash the news kamal is doing is like this and there would be some interview from the technicians who are involved in the movie.The big budget is not only the reason yeah screenplay had some loose ends.
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:06:38 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Her Thamizh wasn't that bad, considering the fact that she isn't a native speaker... but the questions By the way, waiting to see K.B's reaction and Raaja's question/answer...

  
  
  Kamal HassaNa talk showLa vechukittu ippadi sothapalana kelvigal
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 10:06:48 2007.

  Kalaignani kamaloda pakthargallam ippo konjam relax-a kamal-ai kooda vimarsanam pannura moodula iruppathaal oru chinna kelvi.
  
  Though I am a harcore kamal fan I didn't like the title 'Ulaga nayagan' ..I like Super Actor ,kalai Gnani which has apt meaning .But 'Ulaga nayagan'? ..what does it mean ? How come he can be a nayagan of the world?
  
  Ithu patri ungal karuththu
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 10:11:44 2007.

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ????
  he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 10:15:40 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ????

  
  
  
  
  

  Quote:

  he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning

  
  
  then 'Ulagaththara Nayagan"-nnu vachirukkalame
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:17:46 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  great,ulaganayagan&Roshan, Are you saying that I was better off attending the(prescheduled) dinner meet than watching this program yesterday?

  
  
  You didnt missed anything .
  
  
  

  cancer wrote:

  BUt Gouthami looks good...

  
  
  yesterday show pathi thaanae pesara shiva. Gouthami-ya vEchu comedy keemedy pannalayae
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Mon Mar 5 10:20:08 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning

  
  
  I don't know whether it's true or not..But thought I will check with you all about it.. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that.
  
  Again, why it came to mind again is - I could see the same height of the present Bond in kamal (Daniel Craig).. This actually came to mind,when i was watching thalaivar Anbudan program..
  
  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar?
  
  Just a thought guys..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 10:22:56 2007.

  joe, sari sari, Azhaatheenga :lol
  
  Universally Qqualified Hero ngarathellam nkonjam neelamaa illayaa???
  
  But, neenga thaaraalamaa inthiyaavil irukkum nadigargalul ulaga tharam vaaintha vishayangalai thirayil sollum ore Naayagar Kamal appadinnu surukamaa kooppidalaam!!
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Mon Mar 5 10:24:43 2007.

  If the host is somebody like Madhan then the show would have been a treat to watch.
  
  Indha amma seri illa
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 10:26:45 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning I don't know whether it's true or not..But thought I will check with you all about it.. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that. Again, why it came to mind again is - I could see the same height of the present Bond in kamal (Daniel Craig).. This actually came to mind,when i was watching thalaivar Anbudan program.. Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar? Just a thought guys..

  
  
  Adraa sakka ! Adraa sakka ! Adraa sakka !
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 10:28:08 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  But, neenga thaaraalamaa inthiyaavil irukkum nadigargalul ulaga tharam vaaintha vishayangalai thirayil sollum ore Naayagar Kamal appadinnu surukamaa kooppidalaam!!

  
  
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:28:44 2007.

  Ennathu Big B No sonnara consider pannagala
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 10:55:37 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar? Just a thought guys..

  
  
  
  For South Indians / Indians it may look good. But not for the international audience
  
  Let us talk about somethings which can happen
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 11:21:56 2007.

  great wrote:

  yes he did mention that screenpaly would be a Novel attempt. I just typed it in a hurry . But intha moviekku hype and interview thevai illai as kamal is doing 10 different role that itself is enought . Screenplay vithyasama irruku/ romba nalla vanthurukku , novel item etc etc and 10 times Aboorva SahothararOda parattu kedaicha thaan engalOdaya effort paLan kedaicha maathiri etc etc would increase the expectation . I am happy that KSR is checking with Kamal before every shot its shows his involvement and he wants the output to be perfect .

  again ur misqouting thalaivar
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 11:24:26 2007.

  joe wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? Quote: he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning then 'Ulagaththara Nayagan"-nnu vachirukkalame

  correct joe.. i dont like the title ulaga naayagan..
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 11:55:27 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  great wrote: yes he did mention that screenpaly would be a Novel attempt. I just typed it in a hurry . But intha moviekku hype and interview thevai illai as kamal is doing 10 different role that itself is enought . Screenplay vithyasama irruku/ romba nalla vanthurukku , novel item etc etc and 10 times Aboorva SahothararOda parattu kedaicha thaan engalOdaya effort paLan kedaicha maathiri etc etc would increase the expectation . I am happy that KSR is checking with Kamal before every shot its shows his involvement and he wants the output to be perfect . again ur misqouting thalaivar

  
  
  Aandava , Ennaku movie Block buster aana nemba santhosam thaan
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 15:15:24 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nfDryuQxE
  
  second part of the interview
  
  

• From: Nerd on Mon Mar 5 15:26:36 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  I don't know whether it's true or not..But thought I will check with you all about it.. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that.

  
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar?

  
  
  And DC's movie was a blockbuster here. He has already started working on his second JB venture. He is a big hit among eveyone
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Mon Mar 5 19:03:35 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Though I am a harcore kamal fan I didn't like the title 'Ulaga nayagan' ..I like Super Actor ,kalai Gnani which has apt meaning .But 'Ulaga nayagan'? ..what does it mean ? How come he can be a nayagan of the world? Ithu patri ungal karuththu

  
  The tile was given by KSR because Tenali was well received in most overseas markets.... Since Kamal proved his reach all around the world (atleast by Tamil cinema standards) he was conferred the Ulaga Nayagan title.. Very jimple
  
  Incidentally, its my fav title of Kamal's..Its unique, it s a tamil title and shows the class of Thalaivar.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 21:14:24 2007.

  The second part of the interview (youtube video) ends just before KB is going to finish telling about that PM incident.
  
  Ferrari, life is cruel!
  
  More thoughts on the 2nd part later...
  
  To hell with the program or the presenter.. superb interview as usual just by virtue of Aandavar's answers...
  
  Compiling a DVD of Aandavar's interviews - The plan should be amalpaduthified.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 23:11:03 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  The second part of the interview (youtube video) ends just before KB is going to finish telling about that PM incident. Ferrari, life is cruel! More thoughts on the 2nd part later... To hell with the program or the presenter.. superb interview as usual just by virtue of Aandavar's answers... Compiling a DVD of Aandavar's interviews - The plan should be amalpaduthified.

  amaam amaam
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 23:33:54 2007.

  Quote:

  amalpaduthified

  ha ha ha i 1st thought thats an english word!!!
  
  i have some interview collections from magazines, i will scan and upload them....
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 23:46:49 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  ha ha ha i 1st thought thats an english word!!! i have some interview collections from magazines, i will scan and upload them....

  
  nInga nallA irukkOnum nAdu munnEra!
  
  an ex-colleague of mine, a moderate fan of Aandavar used to say..
  "enakku unga AL padangalai vida interviews thAn romba pidikkum"..
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Mon Mar 5 23:51:54 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning

  
  
  We say "Ulaga tharam vaaintha"....
  Nammavar will make foreigners say "India tharam vaaintha..."
  So obviously he is the Ulaga nayagan !!
  
  Having said this, I prefer the title "Sakala Kala Vallavan"
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Tue Mar 6 0:14:39 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aahaa.. naan solla vandhadhu some people were/would be judgemental... there is no need to dismiss it as "personal.. adhanaale pesa vendaam...".. that line implies that "something is wrong, and we need not talk about it.." i was just saying what's wrong with it...

  
  
  A_A,referring to an issue as 'personal'does not necessarily imply that there is something wrong.
  
  It was a chat show,why the need to stress on the personal relationship?
  
  Anyway let's leave this.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 0:25:12 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning We say "Ulaga tharam vaaintha".... Nammavar will make foreigners say "India tharam vaaintha..." So obviously he is the Ulaga nayagan !! Having said this, I prefer the title "Sakala Kala Vallavan"

  me too.. sakala kala vallavan is the best title for thalaivar..
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 0:27:19 2007.

  Being a hardcore Bond fan and a big Kamal fan, let me respond to this.
  
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  .. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that.

  
  
  No such thing. Never happened. They always had Brosnan in their mind. Thank god he's not Bond anymore.
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again, why it came to mind again is - I could see the same height of the present Bond in kamal (Daniel Craig).. This actually came to mind,when i was watching thalaivar Anbudan program..

  
  
  How tall is Kamal, anyway? Craig is 5'11".
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar? Just a thought guys..

  
  
  As Nerd said, Casino Royale is a big hit. Biggest in collection among Bond movies.
  
  As for Kamal, he already did a Bond-like role in Vikram. It was good for it's time. He did not copy any Bond actors (but did pick up some stuff from the movies) and he was fun to watch in the movie. Elements from Bond films were there, great locations, beautiful babes, nasty bad guys and nastier henchmen. Of course, it had the usual dance and well choreographed fights. I'd like him to do another Vikram movie, with present day technology. It will be a great action movie; action in real term.
  
  And Joe, I too didn't like the Ulaga Nayagan title. Hell, we discussed about it. But why is it, in English, it becomes Universal Hero. Ulagam does not translate to Universal. Or does it? It's like Miss World is not Miss Universe, the latter whom is certainly not qualified since there might be beauties in Planet Venus.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 1:07:55 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  How tall is Kamal, anyway? Craig is 5'11".

  
  Annan 5'8"
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Tue Mar 6 1:14:50 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  As Nerd said, Casino Royale is a big hit. Biggest in collection among Bond movies.

  
  
  It is very natural because economy and population has increased now
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 1:18:29 2007.

  Sanjeevi wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: As Nerd said, Casino Royale is a big hit. Biggest in collection among Bond movies. It is very natural because economy and population has increased now

  
  
  So?
  
  

• From: Jabroni on Tue Mar 6 1:30:03 2007.

  Kamal in a Bond movie
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 1:50:31 2007.

  Jabroni wrote:

  Kamal in a Bond movie

  mods, this guy is posting heaps of crap..ban him ASAP...
  
  

• From: kb on Tue Mar 6 2:00:15 2007.

  oru post-ukey vaa,,
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 2:17:43 2007.

  kb wrote:

  oru post-ukey vaa,,

  paruthi veeran and mozhi are crap-nu sollraaru.. athula irunthey theriyuthu ivaru latchanam..
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Tue Mar 6 3:22:34 2007.

  Well even though Amarshiva's posts were optimistic..there is some realism as kamal is well suited to act in a bond movie. If you guys did see vetteiyaadu vilaiyaadu..Kamal had that american swagger about him with the way he delivered his dialogues and body language and if he goes back to his kurudhipunal time with that sort of body shape he will certainly take the movie by the scruff of its neck.
  
  I prefer rajini in a bonds movie to amitabh..for all Big b's acting skills he is more of a actor suited to roles which require him to express alot...rajini would be be better as he is a balance of body language and expressions..and besides rajini's unique style with all those gadgets and guns would be a treat to watch
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Tue Mar 6 3:33:37 2007.

  Jabroni wrote:

  Kamal in a Bond movie

  
  
  why not?
  He is probably the only actor from India who can carry such a role
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 4:06:31 2007.

  is bond character such a great role that no other indian actor can do?
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 4:53:13 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  is bond character such a great role that no other indian actor can do?

  
  
  If you talk about Brosnan era, no. It's cardboard dummy that holds gun and quips cheap corny line.
  
  With Craig, it has become complex, just like how it was in book. It's dark, brooding character, add with sophistication and brutal energy. Dalton tried it, but people couldn't accept.
  
  From now on, only good actors can play Bond, not any Brylcream model.
  
  So, to answer your question, only specific actors can do it. Good actors. If Bond is to be transplanted here, it has to be played by someone who can switch between light and dark. Remember, he is a killer first, then an agent.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 4:56:17 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  is bond character such a great role that no other indian actor can do?

  
  idhu pointu!
  Vikram was better than any bond film and some of Rajini's performances have been more stylish than Bonds'...
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Tue Mar 6 4:59:20 2007.

  /dig
  
  tf neenga konjam unga PM check pannungalen
  
  end dig/
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:02:46 2007.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  /dig tf neenga konjam unga PM check pannungalen end dig/

  
  PM onnum varlaye ??
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 5:07:08 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  So, to answer your question, only specific actors can do it. Good actors. If Bond is to be transplanted here, it has to be played by someone who can switch between light and dark. Remember, he is a killer first, then an agent.

  groucho, I just saw two tamil movies paruthi veeran and mozhi.
  even secondary characters have acted brilliantly in those movies.
  we have talents unbounded, getting a james bond will not be difficult. thats my point.
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 5:09:51 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Vikram was better than any bond film

  pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal. I remember taking my malay and chines friends to see the movie on the eve of our elections. only to be laughed at mercilessly. such amateurishness!
  paalaa pOna malaysian censors, kadaisi scene'ayum vettitaanga.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 5:13:34 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: So, to answer your question, only specific actors can do it. Good actors. If Bond is to be transplanted here, it has to be played by someone who can switch between light and dark. Remember, he is a killer first, then an agent. groucho, I just saw two tamil movies paruthi veeran and mozhi. even secondary characters have acted brilliantly in those movies. we have talents unbounded, getting a james bond will not be difficult. thats my point.

  
  
  Oh, okay. Yes, it takes good actor to pull the Bond role off. I'd say that NOW we have great talents coming in. If the younger set were to play Fleming-like Bond, I'd give it to Arya. He got good fierce look, good acting talent, physics to match and charisma which is not bad.
  
  As for the seniors, of course Kamal has it all. Get a bit of a work out, get the Vikram (move, not the actor) character back and make it a bit more darker and violent and you have a great Bond-like flick. Of course, Kamal's effort as we say it in Malaysia, will be sap-sap-suey.
  
  That means, 'very easy'.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:26:42 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal.

  
  Exactly, but even that is better than Bond movies, is my point
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:29:10 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Oh, okay. Yes, it takes good actor to pull the Bond role off. I'd say that NOW we have great talents coming in. If the younger set were to play Fleming-like Bond, I'd give it to Arya. He got good fierce look, good acting talent, physics to match and charisma which is not bad. As for the seniors, of course Kamal has it all. Get a bit of a work out, get the Vikram (move, not the actor) character back and make it a bit more darker and violent and you have a great Bond-like flick. Of course, Kamal's effort as we say it in Malaysia, will be sap-sap-suey. That means, 'very easy'.

  
  Groucho,
  IMO i don't think Arya can pull of the one-liners or show the "coolness" required. Kamal/Rajini all the way...
  
  Anyway, Bond movies pathi pesinadhu podhum. ithOda nAn nippAttikkarEn
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 5:31:54 2007.

  on those times, vikram is one of the advanced movies, there were computers, not much heroism(kamal wont be able to stop that missile, and luckily it will land on sea...) almost the 1st filme to show computers and software engineer ect in Tamil\\Indian Cinema
  
  almost 10 years later, there was a movie, ullaithai Allitha, there was a goundamani joke, he will think a person working on a PC as him watching TV in office! and people still laughed for that joke!!!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Mar 6 5:53:55 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  I too didn't like the Ulaga Nayagan title. Hell, we discussed about it. But why is it, in English, it becomes Universal Hero. Ulagam does not translate to Universal. Or does it? It's like Miss World is not Miss Universe, the latter whom is certainly not qualified since there might be beauties in Planet Venus.

  
  If they want to translate the universal hero title into Tamil, it would have been 'Prabanja Nayagan'.. Now I am not sure how many 'tamil' folks can pronounce and understand the word and if they attempt to do so the title may end up being damaged into some obscene word..
  Ulaga Nayagan is simpler I say...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:58:24 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  If they want to translate the universal hero title into Tamil, it would have been 'Prabanja Nayagan'.. Now I am not sure how many 'tamil' folks can pronounce and understand the word and if they attempt to do so the title may end up being damaged into some obscene word.. Ulaga Nayagan is simpler I say...

  
  'prapanjam' is a vada mozhichol!
  (Coming to think of it, what about nAyagan? I'm not sure, though)
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Mar 6 6:05:17 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  'prapanjam' is a vada mozhichol! (Coming to think of it, what about nAyagan? I'm not sure, though)

  
  Thats what I thought
  I considered ''Anda Saraasaram'' , but i think thats vada mozhi too ..
  appo universe-kku tamizh sol enna ? Muzhu Ulagam -nnu ninaikkuren
  'Muzhu Ulaga Nayagan'-ukku, Ulaga Nayagan evlavo thevala..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 6:08:41 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: Vikram was better than any bond film pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal. I remember taking my malay and chines friends to see the movie on the eve of our elections. only to be laughed at mercilessly. such amateurishness! paalaa pOna malaysian censors, kadaisi scene'ayum vettitaanga.

  neenga athukku thaan padam paakka poneengalaa
  
  vikram is an amateurish movie.. that director rajasekar is a waste.. but its a good masala..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 6:13:08 2007.

  you ppl watn ulaga naayagan to be replaced with prabanja naayagan or Anda naayagan or Agila naaayagan ???
  
  pls remember that 'universal' is becoming a common word, and it is used nowadays to mean "all parts of the world" or "Global" "Worldwide" ect
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 6:13:23 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: 'prapanjam' is a vada mozhichol! (Coming to think of it, what about nAyagan? I'm not sure, though) Thats what I thought I considered ''Anda Saraasaram'' , but i think thats vada mozhi too .. appo universe-kku tamizh sol enna ? Muzhu Ulagam -nnu ninaikkuren 'Muzhu Ulaga Nayagan'-ukku, Ulaga Nayagan evlavo thevala..

  
  You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam!
  http://www.tamilarea.com/tamildict/display.php?action=search&category=&word=universe
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 6:15:18 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam!

  
  
  no probs, hereafter we will address aandavar as PERANDA PITHAAVE POTTRI
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 6:23:03 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam! no probs, hereafter we will address aandavar as PERANDA PITHAAVE POTTRI

  
  aahaa..
  
  pAr pOtRum pudhumaippithan
  pEraNda mAvIran
  paguthaRivu pettagam
  parisutha AnmA
  ponnenjamkondAn
  pAsappErUtRU
  podhunalappriyan (etimology of priyan doubtful)
  pagaikkanjA pulithEvan
  ......
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Mar 6 6:24:27 2007.

  waah..waah
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Tue Mar 6 7:36:40 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  NOV wrote: pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal. Exactly, but even that is better than Bond movies, is my point

  
  
  I will recommend vetri vizha instead vikram and what about surasamharam?
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 7:38:24 2007.

  sanjeevi,
  even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO.
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Tue Mar 6 7:43:54 2007.

  Yes I liked vikram (based on Sujatha's story) and looked like an english movie
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Mar 6 7:50:12 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: thinkfloyd wrote: You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam! no probs, hereafter we will address aandavar as PERANDA PITHAAVE POTTRI aahaa.. pAr pOtRum pudhumaippithan pEraNda mAvIran paguthaRivu pettagam parisutha AnmA ponnenjamkondAn pAsappErUtRU podhunalappriyan (etimology of priyan doubtful) pagaikkanjA pulithEvan ......

  
  
  wow! ithu neenga ezuthunatha? Thamizh-la pinnureenga
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 7:56:52 2007.

  joe wrote:

  wow! ithu neenga ezuthunatha? Thamizh-la pinnureenga

  
  Edho oru flow-la ezhudhitten
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 9:08:54 2007.

  what is ulaga nayagan? is he superman or spiderman?
  
  all these are unnecessary in my opinion.
  nadigar thilagam commands so much respect. a title along those lines would be appropriate.
  something like nadippu sigaram.
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 9:13:20 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  neenga athukku thaan padam paakka poneengalaa

  well, that was how it was promoted then. first time errrr.... you can see on screen.
  
  but anyway, I managed to get a video cassette and saw the whole thing. very violent I must say.
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Tue Mar 6 9:15:59 2007.

  Ulaga Nayagan was given by KSR NOV sir...not for kamal....if u see kamal's own movies he avoids those sort of titles....Nadigar Imayam is better
  
  Grouch good point about the dark menacing look....but so far i have only seen kamal with that look before and rajini in his villain heydays...yet to see any others do that
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 10:43:08 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  what is ulaga nayagan? is he superman or spiderman? all these are unnecessary in my opinion. nadigar thilagam commands so much respect. a title along those lines would be appropriate. something like nadippu sigaram

  
  
  do you think kamal is shining only bcos of his acting skills??
  
  what do you mean by Super Star?
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Tue Mar 6 10:45:42 2007.

  SV please do not bring rajini's title in.....although you do have a point in it being correlated to the ulaga nayagan title....its all titles given by directors/media/people....I think NOV sir misunderstood it as us giving kamal ulaga nayagan title
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Mar 6 12:24:48 2007.

  Vetri vizha is a good movie.....what did u find wrong there....it was a near to perfect entertainer
  
  If i am not wrong, bourne identity has a similar plot like vetri vizha
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  sanjeevi, even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO.

  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 12:33:02 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Vetri vizha is a good movie.....what did u find wrong there....it was a near to perfect entertainer If i am not wrong, bourne identity has a similar plot like vetri vizha Aandavan wrote: sanjeevi, even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO.

  illa thalaivare.. the plot of vetri vizha was copied from the Bourne identity novel.... i feel that if vikram is not a good movie, then vetri vizha is definitely not.. vikram is the better of the two.. though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 12:40:25 2007.

  Raja Paarvai theme music:
  
  panthuvarALi(?)
  
  Fusion = idhu!
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.5262/
  ["Theme Song"]
  
  I googled for a youtube video of this and mp3 download but no results!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Mar 6 12:42:51 2007.

  then i am wrong .both vikram and vetri vizha are good entertainers but definitely not class movies but shot very stylishly.......
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: Vetri vizha is a good movie.....what did u find wrong there....it was a near to perfect entertainer If i am not wrong, bourne identity has a similar plot like vetri vizha Aandavan wrote: sanjeevi, even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO. illa thalaivare.. the plot of vetri vizha was copied from the Bourne identity novel.... i feel that if vikram is not a good movie, then vetri vizha is definitely not.. vikram is the better of the two.. though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..

  
  

• From: great on Tue Mar 6 12:48:18 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Raja Paarvai theme music: panthuvarALi(?) Fusion = idhu! http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.5262/ ["Theme Song"] I googled for a youtube video of this and mp3 download but no results!

  
  
  
  Lemme check if I can copy this song to MP3 format .
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 12:53:22 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Raja Paarvai theme music: panthuvarALi(?) Fusion = idhu! http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.5262/ ["Theme Song"] I googled for a youtube video of this and mp3 download but no results!

  is that a violin piece??? starts off with a violin piece.. some other instruments are also.. no lyrics.. its chanceless. only illayaraaja can do this.. i have it ...
  
  PS: sorry for my shameful description..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 12:57:31 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  is that a violin piece??? starts off with a violin piece.. some other instruments are also.. no lyrics.. its chanceless. only illayaraaja can do this.. i have it ... PS: sorry for my shaneful description..

  
  adhE dhAn!
  Super!
  Send it to my GMail id pls...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 16:10:39 2007.

  Some superb "bits" from the interview..
  
  "Nanbar oruthar kettaaru 'edhukku saar Hey Ram edutheenga? nashtam dhaane?'... nashtam dhaan.. aanaa enakku thaan nashtam.. veli aalunga nashtam nu solla mudiyaadhu.. idhukku saatchi enooda distributors"
  
  Defending the 'taste' of the Tamil audience.. "indha tight rope walking naan oru veembukku panradhilla.. enakku makkal paarkkum cinema edukka vendum nu aasai.. ennamo Tamil makkal kaattu miraandi avangalukku puriyaadhu ngara madhiri pesaraanga.. adha ketta thamizhana enakku kovam varum.. endha oor kaaran sonnaalum.. mukkiyama thamizhan sonnaal..."
  [I disagree with Aandavar in this. He has stressed this point repeatedly but i would ask him "Then what happened to your thamizh makkal's taste w.r.t Hey Ram, Mahanadhi, Anbe Sivam, Kannathil Muthamittal"??
  
  Adi Sankara, Bertrand Russel, Periyar, Ananthu, Chandrahaasan, Ilaiyaraaja, - Aandava!!!!!!!!!!! engayo poittiye!!!!!!!!!! ANBE SIVAM
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 20:53:08 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  I think NOV sir misunderstood it as us giving kamal ulaga nayagan title

  You must think I am very stupid.
  
  sakala - granted.
  then I'd like to suggest kalai sigaram.
  forget others. even minuscules these days think they are entitled to a title. let's stick to kamal.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Tue Mar 6 22:39:45 2007.

  kalaignani is best tile
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 23:08:40 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Adi Sankara, Bertrand Russel, Periyar, Ananthu, Chandrahaasan, Ilaiyaraaja, - Aandava!!!!!!!!!!! engayo poittiye!!!!!!!!!! ANBE SIVAM

  
  
  Did he mention or quote Russell? Whoa! I am reading him now. Got a few books, tough to read, but you do get immersed. Kamal reads Russell, huh? Well, we have something in common.
  
  As to Vetri Vizha, Vikram and Soorasamharam, I'd give high marks to VV for great entertainment value. And yes, Prathap admitted that he took it from Ludlum's book (of course, the usual Tamil film practise is you don't give official credit or money if it's from outside of India). The action scenes were great and Kamal was superb. And so was Saleem Gosh as Zinta - Sit down Stephen Raj!!! That commanding voice. What happen to him nowadays?
  
  Vikram was unique for its time. Second time Kamal is gambling. Was it a big hit? Made money? Whatever it is, I really enjoyed. Saw it a couple of years ago and still liked it. As someone in this thread mentioned, it was first time there was use of computer (in front of and behind camera) in the movie. Good action scenes. Oh, and Janagaraj rocked too.
  
  I liked Soorasamharam at that time, but don't feel the same. Some scenes are lifted from French Connection 2 and Kamal does not really look enthusiastic. He looks good though.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 23:19:59 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Did he mention or quote Russell? Whoa! I am reading him now. Got a few books, tough to read, but you do get immersed. Kamal reads Russell, huh? Well, we have something in common.

  
  After he recited the Adi Sankara sloka (spashtama ), he went on to transtlate the same and explain that he could see the kind of elevated status/state of mind that Adi Sankara had in Bertrand Russell, Periyar, Ananthu, Chandrahaasan and Ilaiyaraaja.. "andha gnanam oru andhanam idam irundhaalum oru chandaalan idam irundhaalum ondru dhaan.." That is, he explained "Anbe Sivam" with such brevity!
  
  

  groucho070 wrote:

  Vikram was unique for its time. Second time Kamal is gambling. Was it a big hit? Made money?

  
  It had a tremendous opening but was not a big hit...
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Mar 7 0:01:06 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..

  
  Vetri Vizha was a commercial success?
  Now, that's news to me I still remmeebr that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Mar 7 0:01:26 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..

  
  Vetri Vizha was a commercial success?
  Now, that's news to me I still remember that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Mar 7 0:16:32 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success.. Vetri Vizha was a commercial success? Now, that's news to me I still remember that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release

  no movie cop.. neenga theriyaamal pesureenga... infact at that time there was this competition between Maappilai and Vetri Vizha.. Vetri vizha won that race..
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Mar 7 0:19:00 2007.

  Vetri vizha was a genuine hit .......it had a good run in cbe in royal theatre
  

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success.. Vetri Vizha was a commercial success? Now, that's news to me I still remember that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release

  
  

• From: joe on Wed Mar 7 0:21:01 2007.

  Vetrivizha ran 85 days in my home town nagercoil (considerably B centre)
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 0:33:22 2007.

  VetriVizha should have created a genre of action films in Tamil film industry. I wished it could have. But no...they went back to the same old crap in the nineties.
  
  VV made me think about Kamal and Rajini's association with Prabhu. Seemed that both time they worked, then and now, the films were big hits. Just a thought.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Mar 7 0:35:57 2007.

  it has always been a dream of mine to direct a movie with both Kamal and Rajini - ala Raiders of the Lost Ark. and to do it without publicity.
  
  kanaa kaanum kaalangal
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 0:36:26 2007.

  You might still have ur wish granted Rakesh....Prathap Pothen is back with another action-thriller with supposedly Maddy in the lead..might be interesting this one...Anyways gautham menon is doing a good job of doing stylish action thrillers although they are abit too westernised for indian audience taste
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 1:02:39 2007.

  But I heard it's not an action flick? Some kind of romance subject.
  
  And Nov, closest Rajini and Kamal got involved in action flick is Aadu Puli Attam. Rajini is the bad guy. Some action scene that were neat for the 70s but looks terribly dated now. It's nice to hear Rajini saying, "Ithuthaan Rajini shtyle".
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 1:17:00 2007.

  Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together
  
  Romance flick?..perhaps i read the wrong Maddy movie
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Mar 7 1:20:04 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together

  
  A couple of more reasons
  1) Cost
  2) Mayhem in the theatres
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Mar 7 1:21:50 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Hulkster wrote: Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together A couple of more reasons 1) Cost 2) Mayhem in the theatres

  paradise unit in a rajini movie
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 1:21:57 2007.

  Mayhem in the theaters....you mean a rajini fan vs kamal fan fight is possible...i thought that only happens if a rajini movie and kamal movie are competing against each other
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Mar 7 1:32:29 2007.

  
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: Hulkster wrote: Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together A couple of more reasons 1) Cost 2) Mayhem in the theatres paradise unit in a rajini movie

  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 1:39:46 2007.

  Can anyone explain to me what karthik means by paradise unit in rajini movie?
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 1:41:44 2007.

  after watching the good bad and the ugly...i thought abt
  
  kamal - good
  rajni - bad
  sathyaraj - ugly
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Mar 7 1:48:00 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  Can anyone explain to me what karthik means by paradise unit in rajini movie?

  ranagalam.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Mar 7 1:48:56 2007.

  i was actually thinking of a treasure hunt kind of action movie. both kamal and rajini are heroes, competing against each other - no real villains.
  no songs, rollercoaster kind of action.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Mar 7 1:58:11 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  Mayhem in the theaters....you mean a rajini fan vs kamal fan fight is possible...i thought that only happens if a rajini movie and kamal movie are competing against each other

  
  illa Hulkster,
  Volatile is an understatement. Though Kamal and Rajini don't compete, fans will
  Even for second releases, its like that...
  ivaLavu yen, Thevar Magan appove prachanai aachu!
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 2:02:15 2007.

  Don't know, Nov. Very remote chance.
  
  I had always fancied buddy movies of the 80s. Anyone familiar with Midnight Run? De Niro and Grodin? Make some adjustment, and you have a great buddy movie. Of course, it starts antagonistically. Would be good for Rajini and Kamal.
  
  And Thimiru, despite my Talaivar's great presence and Van Cleef's menacing performance, the acting scope is that of Wallach's. So, Sathyaraj will get to do the acting while Kamal and Rajini slug it out. Now, we are talking about real riot in theatre. Just ask Selva .
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 2:15:12 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Don't know, Nov. Very remote chance. I had always fancied buddy movies of the 80s. Anyone familiar with Midnight Run? De Niro and Grodin? Make some adjustment, and you have a great buddy movie. Of course, it starts antagonistically. Would be good for Rajini and Kamal. And Thimiru, despite my Talaivar's great presence and Van Cleef's menacing performance, the acting scope is that of Wallach's. So, Sathyaraj will get to do the acting while Kamal and Rajini slug it out. Now, we are talking about real riot in theatre. Just ask Selva .

  
  
  the storyline must be changed accordingly...
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 2:25:37 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  illa Hulkster, Volatile is an understatement. Though Kamal and Rajini don't compete, fans will Even for second releases, its like that... ivaLavu yen, Thevar Magan appove prachanai aachu!

  
  
  Its for such circumstances that i hope fanatism is abolished or perhaps controlled to only onesefl
  
  Perhaps movies that will really make the rajini and kamal combo interesting is that of competing themes like NOV has explained..not necessarily treasure hunt..could be even a cop thriller
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 2:27:39 2007.

  a film like heat!
  
  or a remake of aadu puli aatam
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 2:46:20 2007.

  Or imagine DSP Raghavan hunting down Basha, discovers that he is alright after all, and both goes after Mark Anthony.
  
  There, I am off my rockers.
  
  Ultimately we keep going back to the subject of Rajini and kamal together.
  
  Sometimes I feel it's not right. Being fans of both, I usually advice others not to compare both of their films or performance, being that they are different performers (from one root, though) and their movies are different. But when you put them together, they have to perform in similar rythmn under one roof. Would you compare? I never did, when watching their older efforts, though most of the time one steals the other's thunder (I won't say who, manasatchi taanggaathu).
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Mar 7 3:02:33 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Sometimes I feel it's not right. Being fans of both, I usually advice others not to compare both of their films or performance, being that they are different performers (from one root, though) and their movies are different. But when you put them together, they have to perform in similar rythmn under one roof. Would you compare? I never did, when watching their older efforts, though most of the time one steals the other's thunder (I won't say who, manasatchi taanggaathu).

  
  Groucho,
  With all due respect to your opinions, advice and all, let's please stick to Kamal in this thread please.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 3:06:41 2007.

  kamal in carlito's way would be just awesome...kalaasala irukkum.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 3:35:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Groucho, With all due respect to your opinions, advice and all, let's please stick to Kamal in this thread please.

  
  
  Thanks to your respect to my opinions, advice and all, and yes, we shall stick to Kamal in this thread. Didn't know we veered off too far away from the track. Shall find out if there is a thread on Kamal AND Rajini.
  
  Nope, can't find any. We have few for each, but nothing for both. Too bad, ain't it.
  
  I agree with Thimiru, Carlito's Way would be awesome for Kamal. Very matured character and would be suitable for him.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 6:10:27 2007.

  Whoa...All Quiet In The Hub Front.
  
  Hark! What goes there...a thumbleweed!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Mar 20 9:21:57 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJbfak6X4eA
  
  Endhan nenjil ....
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sat Mar 24 19:03:06 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L793KsGF2yg
  
  Meendum Kokila
  
  

• From: Wibha on Sun Mar 25 0:50:43 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L793KsGF2yg Meendum Kokila

  
  
  i luv dis movie
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Sun Apr 1 14:28:57 2007.

  [quote="groucho070"]Or imagine DSP Raghavan hunting down Basha, discovers that he is alright after all, and both goes after Mark Anthony.
  
  There, I am off my rockers.
  
  Ultimately we keep going back to the subject of Rajini and kamal together.
  
  How about the movice "FACE OFF" WITH rajini and kamal... kamal should play JT and rajni should NC.. man...it's amazing..equal chance for every body..but NC will die at the end so as ...R
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri May 18 8:55:50 2007.

  an attempt to revive the thread
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri May 18 8:58:07 2007.

  I always get reminded of
  
  sigappu rojakkaL
  
  (hanky scene) when he gets himself introduced to shridevi.
  
  Simply too romantic to resist admiring the scene
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri May 18 10:51:21 2007.

  Shakthiprabha wrote:

  I always get reminded of sigappu rojakkaL (hanky scene) when he gets himself introduced to shridevi. Simply too romantic to resist admiring the scene

  
  
  I loved that Ninavo Oru Paravai song.. what a song that is.. amazing....so with sridevi..
  
  Anyway, Sakthiprabha You're sreedevi photo is amazing.. She was very good when she acted with kamal and Rajni and yester years ..Especially guru, vazveh mayam, meenduk kokila.
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri May 18 12:49:32 2007.

  hello amarshiva.
  
  yes what u say is true.
  
  She amazingly blended both with rajnikant and kamalhassan (which very few actresses did)
  
  'ninaivo oru paravai'.... sridevi was breathtakingly beautiful and kamalhassan is as usual no less with his enchanting smile
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jun 8 16:57:41 2007.

  Kamalians,
  Check out the video of "Enadi Meenatchi..." song from Illamai Oonjal Aadugirathu (1978).
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxm4rxk1wlI&mode=related&search=
  
  What a graceful acting from the genius even in a song sequence? Acting is not just about talking dialogues and expressions. It's also showing sharp emotions with subtelity, body language and body movements. This one song has it all - proves that KH is a complete actor with grace and elegance written all over it!
  
  P.S: Sripriya looks pretty in that song too!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sat Jun 9 15:21:13 2007.

  Was watching Kalaignan today. One of those rare films where I felt Kamal could have done much better. There was at least one scene - just before the Endhan Nenjil song - it had simple and nice dialogues. Pretty much monologue for Kamal - where he explains how he is heartbroken. I felt his expressions were below par. Either that or I am getting old.
  
  When the movie released, I felt: 'excuse me, indha ammaNiyai thEdittu irukkeengaLA ? (before the car-park fight) was an uber-cool line. Today I found it a bit corny.
  
  I need Dasa soooooooooooooooooooooon !
  
  

• From: vasanth2006 on Sat Jun 9 15:33:14 2007.

  my favorite kamal movies....
  
  1) maha nadhi
  2) guna
  3) nayakan
  4) kuruthipunal
  5) devar magan
  6) salangai oli
  7) moondram pirai
  8) virumandi
  9) anbe sivam
  10) punnagai mannan
  11) sathya
  12) Hey Ram
  
  and etc....
  
  Beautiful movies.... all are in world class...... ULAGA NAYAGAN ROCKS........such a fantastic actor......
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Mon Jun 11 13:51:19 2007.

  vasanth2006 wrote:

  my favorite kamal movies.... 1) maha nadhi 2) guna 3) nayakan 4) kuruthipunal 5) devar magan 6) salangai oli 7) moondram pirai 8) virumandi 9) anbe sivam 10) punnagai mannan 11) sathya 12) Hey Ram and etc.... Beautiful movies.... all are in world class...... ULAGA NAYAGAN ROCKS........such a fantastic actor......

  
  I noticed whenever ppl list fav. KH movies - there are couple of movies that he acted under KB direction either gets missed out or underrated. One is "Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu" and the other one is "Unnal Mudiyum Thambi"... Both had some very social messages during those times. As usual, thalaivar would have rocked in his acting in both those movies!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Jun 11 14:01:36 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  vasanth2006 wrote: my favorite kamal movies.... 1) maha nadhi 2) guna 3) nayakan 4) kuruthipunal 5) devar magan 6) salangai oli 7) moondram pirai 8) virumandi 9) anbe sivam 10) punnagai mannan 11) sathya 12) Hey Ram and etc.... Beautiful movies.... all are in world class...... ULAGA NAYAGAN ROCKS........such a fantastic actor...... I noticed whenever ppl list fav. KH movies - there are couple of movies that he acted under KB direction either gets missed out or underrated. One is "Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu" and the other one is "Unnal Mudiyum Thambi"... Both had some very social messages during those times. As usual, thalaivar would have rocked in his acting in both those movies!

  
  
  And Nizhal nijamaagiradu, maybe not the protagonist, BUT - charisma,sarcasm and Amazing dialogue delivery. Communism pathi pesa arambicha padam. That was, even before VNS and Anbe Sivam And bharathanatyam steps pottu kalakuvAr!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Jun 11 19:23:18 2007.

  Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire
  One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions.....
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Jun 11 19:43:02 2007.

  KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Jun 11 21:07:20 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry.

  
  mmm... For a lesser actor, maybe we can blame the director but not for Nammavar. Avarukke interest illama irundhirukkalaam...
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Tue Jun 12 0:47:33 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions.....

  
  
  its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Jun 12 1:31:21 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions..... its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class

  
  
  Read "Cliched/stereotyped" again. The film UMT/RV hinges on the lead roles performance. Chiru as we all know is a stereotyped actor. And I guess, Kamal was emulating a bad example.
  
  Moreover, I hate Nammavar doing remakes. Especially VR MBBS which he did, for bucks.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Jun 12 1:35:35 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Especially VR MBBS which he did, for bucks.

  
  Thilak,
  Definitely not for bucks. Infact, Gemini Films made a killing.
  Doing that also meant no scope in AP/KN as it was already made there. Jayam Ravi-a vechu panra padathukku Aandavar edhukku?
  
  He did it for L.V Prasad's grandson.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Jun 12 1:40:29 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry.

  Nice lines, interesting film, ordinary performances. When KB was once asked if there was any film where he was less than 100% satisfied with Kamal's performance, he said UMT.
  
  Kamal is pretty enjoyable in the lighter moments of the film: like the scene where he meets Meesai Murugesh for the first time :
  meesai veLLaiya irukkuradhunaala karuppu konjam thookkudhu
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Jun 12 1:41:12 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: Especially VR MBBS which he did, for bucks. Thilak, Definitely not for bucks. Infact, Gemini Films made a killing. Doing that also meant no scope in AP/KN as it was already made there. Jayam Ravi-a vechu panra padathukku Aandavar edhukku? He did it for L.V Prasad's grandson.

  
  
  Oh forgot. But I guess, it should stop. He makes a few bad selections.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Tue Jun 12 5:36:17 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  kannannn wrote: KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry. mmm... For a lesser actor, maybe we can blame the director but not for Nammavar. Avarukke interest illama irundhirukkalaam...

  
  Adhuvum saridhaan, but I have this feeling that Kamal expresses anger in almost the same way in all KB films. It is markedly different (and distinct) in other movies of his. BTW, was UMT the last Kamal movie for KB? I don't think he even made any for Kavithalaya after that.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jun 13 6:54:54 2007.

  போட்டா படியுது..
  One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 7:10:23 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  போட்டா வடியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.

  
  
  padiyudhu.....not vadiyudhu
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Wed Jun 13 7:17:49 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions..... its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class

  
  
  
  I thought that RudraVeena is the remade one and UMT is the original. UMT is one of those very few KB films that I like. AThuvum Original illaya
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jun 13 7:17:51 2007.

  avasara kudukkai . Thanks PK
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 10:16:29 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: crajkumar_be wrote: Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions..... its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class I thought that RudraVeena is the remade one and UMT is the original. UMT is one of those very few KB films that I like. AThuvum Original illaya

  
  
  rudraveena was directed by K.B selva
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 10:18:55 2007.

  i lik punnagai mannan from kb nd kamal.. nd i also lik moondru mudichu,avargal,varumayin niram sigappu!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:03:16 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  போட்டா படியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.

  
  
  It's a nice song Kannan. He'd bring out all that emotions and feelings ( (aathiram, kObam, aathangam) through his voice. Song sequence-um azhagu. Romba nallA paNNuvAr. Just see his expressions for the line "mEdai pEchum vArthai veechum yEn" - oru sOru patham
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Jun 13 12:10:35 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  kannannn wrote: போட்டா படியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect. It's a nice song Kannan. He'd bring out all that emotions and feelings ( (aathiram, kObam, aathangam) through his voice. Song sequence-um azhagu. Romba nallA paNNuvAr. Just see his expressions for the line "mEdai pEchum vArthai veechum yEn" - oru sOru patham

  
  
  baaradha naattukkoru kottai suvar naamaga
  aayiram vedhangalum vaadhangalum thoolaga
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:18:05 2007.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  baaradha naattukkoru kottai suvar naamaga aayiram vedhangalum vaadhangalum thoolaga

  
  
  good to know u remember those lines. But athu bEthangaLum not vEthangaLum
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:20:07 2007.

  yezhai sirikanum sirikanum
  oru pidi soru avanuku kidaikanum kidaikanum
  
  maayam vilakanum vilakanum
  arasiyal sayam velukanum velukanum
  
  madai pEchum
  vaarthai theechum yEn
  
  pOtta padiyudhu padiyudhu
  thininjavan kEtta vidiyudhu vidiyudhu
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jun 13 12:27:17 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  thininjavan kEtta vidiyudhu vidiyudhu

  
  Thuninjavan
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:34:47 2007.

  WELL......thats a typo CR
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:35:18 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  madai pEchum vaarthai theechum yEn

  
  
  Vaarthai Veechum
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:35:41 2007.

  IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:36:46 2007.

  THE STARTING LINES ROCK
  
  YEHHHHHHHHHHH BABABA
  
  YEYEYHHHHHH BABABAHH
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jun 13 12:38:53 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT

  
  
  அது 'வீச்சு' தான் .
  
  நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்?
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:40:52 2007.

  joe wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்?

  
  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:40:52 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT

  
  
  Yes ! and in thamizh it's always - Vaarthai Veechu and not VArthai Theechu
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:48:46 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்?

  
  
  Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:51:53 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam

  
  
  roshan avargaLE....enaku paLLiyil migavum pidiththa paadam "thamizh"
  
  ippo kooda ilakanakuripu kEtta tappunu solluvEn..
  
  I THOUGHT THEECHU IS A TAMIL WORD
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 12:56:46 2007.

  idu nalla irukE! bengali..malyali, telugu, hindi fans yenna panuvanga?
  
  

  Roshan wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam

  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jun 13 13:00:52 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  idu nalla irukE! bengali..malyali, telugu, hindi fans yenna panuvanga? Roshan wrote: palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam

  
  
  அவரவர் தாய்மொழியை நன்கு கற்றுக்கொள்வது நல்லது.
  
  கமல்ஹாசன் வெறும் நடிகர் மட்டுலல்ல .தமிழில் அவர் ஒரு கவிஞர் ,எழுத்தாளர் ,தமிழ் அன்பர் .எனவே கமல் மேல் பற்று கொண்ட தமிழ் ரசிகர்கள் ,அவர் போல தமிழ் மேலும் பற்று கொண்டிருந்தால் அவர் மகிழ்வார்.
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:07:55 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Selvam_mayyam wrote: idu nalla irukE! bengali..malyali, telugu, hindi fans yenna panuvanga? Roshan wrote: palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam அவரவர் தாய்மொழியை நன்கு கற்றுக்கொள்வது நல்லது. கமல்ஹாசன் வெறும் நடிகர் மட்டுலல்ல .தமிழில் அவர் ஒரு கவிஞர் ,எழுத்தாளர் ,தமிழ் அன்பர் .எனவே கமல் மேல் பற்று கொண்ட தமிழ் ரசிகர்கள் ,அவர் போல தமிழ் மேலும் பற்று கொண்டிருந்தால் அவர் மகிழ்வார்.

  
  
  k..romba fans kootam pa!!!!!
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:38:34 2007.

  questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Jun 13 13:39:52 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea

  
  
  I'm sure Kamal would have done the research in talkin to ppl who have seen such sights before, that's why!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jun 13 13:43:24 2007.

  similar blood spill in virumaandi, when nepolean is murdered....and yes, maybe thts the reality...who knows
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:44:59 2007.

  virumandi altho a gr8 effort nd a good film.. has such horrible blood nd gore scenes.. nd both hey ram nd virumandi had bad graphic .. imagine them 2 b bettr.. da films wud b world class..
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:46:05 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Selvam_mayyam wrote: questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea I'm sure Kamal would have done the research in talkin to ppl who have seen such sights before, that's why!

  
  
  idellam oru reason? any doctors or anatomy students here who can confirm???
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Jun 13 13:46:49 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Selvam_mayyam wrote: questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea I'm sure Kamal would have done the research in talkin to ppl who have seen such sights before, that's why! idellam oru reason? any doctors or anatomy students here who can confirm???

  
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jun 13 13:48:03 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  போட்டா படியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.

  my fav line in this song is unakkithu late aa puriythu puriyuthu puriyuthu
  
  i equate that line to some TN Audience me too was in that gruop in past...
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 14:06:52 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  my fav line in this song is unakkithu late aa puriythu puriyuthu puriyuthu i equate that line to some TN Audience me too was in that gruop in past...

  
  
  HayyA nAn antha group-il oru nALum irunthathillai
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jun 13 14:08:35 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea

  
  Yenga, 'blood pressure'-nnu onnu irukku theriyuma?
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 14:39:09 2007.

  another quest in hey ram... why does kamal use scene lik da one where a lizard licks da blood on da floor.. is it surreal symbolic message fr us?
  
  don make fun f me again.. but dis time.. i will also give back if u attack personally..
  
  

• From: kb on Wed Jun 13 14:41:07 2007.

  virumaandi climax paarunga.. innoru kelvi ketpeenga
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 14:43:05 2007.

  kb wrote:

  virumaandi climax paarunga.. innoru kelvi ketpeenga

  
  
  dat climax
  
  no questions..it ws crap!
  
  bt da film s good.. i wud give it 3 out of 4 stars..
  
  hey ram will get 3.75 on 4.. if nt fr some terrible scenes..it wud get 4 on 4.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jun 14 0:31:13 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  kb wrote: virumaandi climax paarunga.. innoru kelvi ketpeenga dat climax no questions..it ws crap! bt da film s good.. i wud give it 3 out of 4 stars.. hey ram will get 3.75 on 4.. if nt fr some terrible scenes..it wud get 4 on 4.

  
  
  
  Dear Selvam Mayyam,
  
  If you feel it is a crap - let it be. I am sure, the concerned authorities arent fools to award Virumandi (which according to you has a crap climax) the best Asian Movie. This thread is to ONLY discuss about Kamal's favourite movies, scenes, songs etc. Hope that is clear to you. If you have got anything that you liked or enjoyed in KH movies you are welcome to share it here. If not find an appropriate thread and post your questions and grievences there. Thank you
  
  

• From: avven on Thu Jun 14 0:41:02 2007.

  i liked the virumandi climax
  
  

• From: Wibha on Thu Jun 14 0:46:11 2007.

  aalvandan nandu role is awesome
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Thu Jun 14 5:01:15 2007.

  avven wrote:

  i liked the virumandi climax

  
  
  viru viru mandi virumandi..
  
  many claimed that it reduced the class of the movie...
  
  but i enjoyed the climax greatly....ir bgm
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Thu Jun 14 5:02:55 2007.

  Wibha wrote:

  aalvandan nandu role is awesome

  
  
  my favourite scene in aalavandhan was
  
  nandu sitting before a lamp post and he imagines his doctor,anuhaasan at all and talking like a child
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Thu Jun 14 15:30:59 2007.

  One of my favorite scenes is in Anbe Sivam. Actually it is the last scene, when he lets his would-be killer go away:
  
  " பொழைச்சு போ"
  
  This could also qualify as probably the best oneliner in Tamil movies.
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Thu Jun 14 16:02:53 2007.

  madhus369 wrote:

  One of my favorite scenes is in Anbe Sivam. Actually it is the last scene, when he lets his would-be killer go away: " பொழைச்சு போ" This could also qualify as probably the best oneliner in Tamil movies.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Thu Jun 14 19:34:30 2007.

  It looks like all the Kamal fans are clogging up bandwidth in the Sivaji forum. This place feels so empty now ! Echo... Echo... Echo...
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Jun 19 10:53:53 2007.

  Just saw few of the scenes from VV once again:
  
  the scene in which KH proposes to Kamalini is just amazing. One of the best romantic scenes with minor dose of comedy and the dialogues were KH's expressions will be awesome throughout that scene.
  Kamalini looked in that silk saree. Her uneasiness with that instant proposal and KH's prolonged "PUSH" with continuous dialogues
  
  Kamalini: Hey ! ...yy Its too fast for me
  KH : enakku idhu romba slow (something ||| to this)
  
  And again
  
  "2 nimishathulayae solli iruppen" "Athanaala 2 mani neram kazhichi solluraen"
  
  Hats of to GM ! that scene was fantastic
  @ GM for killing Kamalini
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Jun 20 1:26:51 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Hats of to GM ! that scene was fantastic @ GM for killing Kamalini

  
  
  
  
  Athanaala thaan, Kamal+Jo Matured relationship Kaatrathukku Chance kidaichuthu
  
  The scenes you mentioned were :thumsup:
  
  Perfect timing when Kamal Says. It brings you laughter. Oru Alattal Kidayaathu, Comedy thaan Panroamnu Show panra maathiri reaction kidayaathu. Kamal
  
  

• From: unique on Wed Jun 20 2:45:47 2007.

  but kamal looked fat in that scene...!
  
  but he looked awesome in other part of the movie
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 20 15:22:11 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Just saw few of the scenes from VV once again: the scene in which KH proposes to Kamalini is just amazing. One of the best romantic scenes with minor dose of comedy and the dialogues were KH's expressions will be awesome throughout that scene. Kamalini looked in that silk saree. Her uneasiness with that instant proposal and KH's prolonged "PUSH" with continuous dialogues Kamalini: Hey ! ...yy Its too fast for me KH : enakku idhu romba slow (something ||| to this) And again "2 nimishathulayae solli iruppen" "Athanaala 2 mani neram kazhichi solluraen" Hats of to GM ! that scene was fantastic @ GM for killing Kamalini

  
  
  OK this is how the entire conversation goes ...
  
  Kamalini - Namma santhichi two hoursthAn aagi irukku athukuLLa enna Love?
  
  KH : two minuteslayE solli iruppEn aanA nee thappa nenekkapOriyEnnu rendu mani nEram poruthuttu irunthEn ( Kamalini blushes)
  
  KH continues : Look.. naan strict-A , stiff-A pEsAma ellAm iruppEnnu nenekkAtha.. niRaiya pEsuvEn... actually I am fun to be with. onna nallA pAthukuvEn, kozhanthaingaLa.......... (gets interrupted by Kamalini)
  
  Kamalini - hoho.. this is too fast for me
  
  Kamal - Look here kayal, unakkithu fast-A irukkalAm.. enakkithu romba slow sari vEnAmna vEnAm .. innaikku vEnAm nALaikku vechukalAm namma kalyAnatha ?
  
  Kamalini : ( with a shocked tone) what.. what what are you saying ??
  
  Kamal : I LOVE YOU
  
  
  KH was simply
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Thu Jun 21 10:57:52 2007.

  One role that I would really love for Kamal to reprise again, in a fulltime role, is the one in "Sathi Leelavathy".
  
  With just him, Sarala and the kid, they can easily write up a script to tell some other misadventure.
  
  KH's comedic timing was perfectly in sync with Sarala in this movie.
  
  "payyan nemba shaarppu"
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Thu Jun 21 11:16:15 2007.

  oh Roshan. Just saw this one.
  Good one with neat step by step explanation.
  Wonderful scene.
  
  

• From: sakthivel_cool on Thu Jun 21 12:24:16 2007.

  One of my favorite scenes: Kamal's interview to Raj tv in thenali
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jun 21 13:00:45 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  oh Roshan. Just saw this one. Good one with neat step by step explanation. Wonderful scene.

  
  
  Yes wonderful it is Kamal and Kamalini both were cooool and cute. Kamalini's facial expressions
  
  

• From: Yathu on Thu Jun 21 13:51:49 2007.

  sakthivel_cool wrote:

  One of my favorite scenes: Kamal's interview to Raj tv in thenali

  
  
  Yeah, that scene was both funny and sad! Great acting by Kamal!
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Fri Jun 22 3:25:20 2007.

  Yathu wrote:

  sakthivel_cool wrote: One of my favorite scenes: Kamal's interview to Raj tv in thenali Yeah, that scene was both funny and sad! Great acting by Kamal!

  
  
  That is default for any scene or in any film
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Jul 10 10:49:04 2007.

  Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again...
  
  http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jul 11 8:07:44 2007.

  http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-review_heyram.cfm
  
  by Aparita Bhandari
  
  Kamal Hassan's latest Bollywood venture is a massive project, to put it very mildly. It sets out to deal with Indian history, more specifically the time period of Indian Independence and the creation of Pakistan. As is evident from the title of the film, the film also deals with Gandhi, his ideas and how they affected the general populace. In doing so, the film follows a fairly anti-Gandhian stance for the most part only to reject it at the end. It is evident that Hassan tries to depict the thought process of people of the likes of Nathuram Godse only to show the flaws in such thinking. In the complete volte-face that the film does at the end, there is a validation of the Gandhian principles of ahimsa that becomes a telling reprimand on the communal violence still occurring in various parts of India.
  
  A Series of Flashbacks
  
  The movie unfolds as a series of flashbacks. The old and ailing Saket Ram (Kamal Hassan) is on his deathbed. It is 1999 and communal riots have created havoc in city. As a (Muslim) doctor tries to save old Saket Ram's life, his young author-grandson tells the doctor of his latest work, based on the life of his grandfather, part autobiography and part fiction. Immediately we are taken back to 1946 in Karachi. Saket Ram is an archaeologist on a dig with his trusted friends, Amjad Khan (Shahrukh Khan) and Lalwani (Saurabh Shukla), all of who resent the talks of the partition of India. Ram goes to Calcutta to meet his wife, Aparna (Rani Mukherjee). After an idyllic interlude, Ram leaves his house to find the city in shambles and returns home to find a bunch of Muslims, attacking his wife. Helpless, Ram struggles as his wife is brutally raped and murdered. Ram goes mad and hunts and kills the men who raped and murdered his wife. During this rampage, he meets Abhyanker (Atul Kulkarni), a Hindu Tanjore-Maratha fundamentalist who fuels Ram's inner rage giving him the target of Gandhi.
  
  The film then goes on following Ram, as he remarries, a scene that provides a brief comic respite, and joins a small army of Marathas led by a Maharaja (Vikram Gokhale) set out to exterminate who they believe is the root of all the religious fundamentalism and the consequent rioting that follows. Gandhi. Ram abandons all bonds and relationships as he takes on this operation. Prior to his mission, he undergoes a cleansing rite on the banks of a city reminiscent of Benares. While preparing for this undertaking, Ram runs into Amjad Khan in the streets of Old Delhi. He is faced with an inner conflict as he sees people he knows die in a senseless conflict that starts because of him. Wracked with guilt, and overwhelmed by Gandhi's concern for the plight of India, Ram decides to abort his mission and admit his crimes. His decision, however, comes too late as Nathuram Godse assassinates Gandhi. The film ends with the death of old Saket Ram while bullets are whizzing past him. At the mourning ceremony, there is a cameo appearance by Tushar Gandhi, Mahatma Gandhi's grandson in real-life, who is taken into Saket Ram's room by his grandson and shown all the photos that recapitulate the various stages of Saket Ram's life.
  
  The Partition of India
  
  The concept of the film is laudable, and the quality is undoubtedly brilliant. Starting with the present times that are still rife with communal riots, Hey! Ram shows us how history repeats itself, and thus points to the senselessness of the communal violence that is the undoing of present day India. That Saket Ram's memory is triggered off by the present situation is a telling comment on the depravity of the situation. Moreover, the film wants to deal with a part of Indian history, the horror of which seems to be too easily forgotten. The Partition of India into two nations still has it's ramifications. The irony of it all is that we do not learn from the past. I sat cringing, my stomach turning as Aparna's cries rang out while being raped and when Ram discovers her with a slit throat, and feeling positively sick when a panoramic shot showed other women in similar states, one in her late sixties, in a montage of grotesque horror. The fact that these things still happen in the name of communal violence is a sickening reality.
  
  That said, one must admit that the film is rather long. The version that was screened at TIFF had the songs cut out of it, an excision that heightened the dramatic intensity of the film. Even then, the film still ran the full three hours or so. The film teetered at many times on the fine line of too much and just right. Rani Mukherjee as Aparna Sen was at times just a little too cute. Even though, one got the sense of the delusions of grandeurs that Saket Ram has in his mission, the special effects used were at times a bit too trite. Shahrukh Khan was at his irritating best in his portrayal of Amjad Khan, and one wonders whether he was roped in for solely commercial purposes. The problem was that his hammed role was absolutely at odds with the subject matter, as well as the subdued performance given by the other actors. Speaking of other actors, Hey! Ram has a whole bandwagon of some the biggest names in both Hindi and Tamil cinema. Even though a lot of them ended up doing bit parts, the dramatic intensity that they lent the movie was amazing. Especially noticeable was Atul Kulkarni playing the role of Sriram Abhyanker. Also noticeable was Naseerudin Shah, who did an absolutely terrible job of playing Gandhi.
  
  A Tough Subject
  
  Kamal Hassan deserves credit for handling a tough subject very well. There was obviously a lot of research done, and given the fact that the entire film (even the sequences from Delhi that look exactly like Connaught Place) were shot in Madras, there is a lot of 'accurate to the smallest detail' reconstruction. The film serves as a telling commentary on the fact that to understand and deal with our present we need only to look at our immediate past.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jul 11 10:50:23 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again... http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm

  
  

  Quote:

  I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically.

  what does aandavar try to say here??
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:04:52 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again... http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm Quote: I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically. what does aandavar try to say here??

  
  Can be taken in two ways: try to forge unity through movies as Gandhi did politically (which I am sure won't work) or cleanse movie world of fanaticism and blind following (which I am sure won't work either).
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jul 11 11:09:07 2007.

  Kannan,
  avatar is from South Park dhaane?
  Is it Kyle?
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jul 11 11:11:20 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: crajkumar_be wrote: Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again... http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm Quote: I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically. what does aandavar try to say here?? Can be taken in two ways: try to forge unity through movies as Gandhi did politically (which I am sure won't work) or cleanse movie world of fanaticism and blind following (which I am sure won't work either).

  
  
  I think he is talking about EXPERIMENT
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:20:33 2007.

  CR, yes . IMO, the best cartoon series right now .
  
  Joe, explain please . Doesn't experiment seem a relatively shallow term?!
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jul 11 11:28:13 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  CR, yes . IMO, the best cartoon series right now . Joe, explain please . Doesn't experiment seem a relatively shallow term?!

  
  
  

  kamal wrote:

  Hey! Ram flopped, but I don't care. It was an arbitrary, tyrannical decision and the support that I have got has made it worth it. I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically.

  
  
  Irrespective of failure,Kamal wants to experiemnt just like Ghandhi tried various methods in politics (Non cooperative movement ,Uppu Sathiyagraham ,Ahimsa etc etc)
  
  

• From: sriranga on Wed Jul 11 11:33:22 2007.

  watched vazhve maayam. excellent acting by kamal especially the scene where he imitates his dad over phone and convinces sri devi to forget him and convinces his dad to convey the message to sri devi.
  
  some how, i feel some scenes in vazhve maayam were copied in singaravelan.
  1. secenes of kamal and sri devi in temple, devi sri devi song - similar song in singaravelan.
  2. kamal with bandaged leg in hospital.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:43:02 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Irrespective of failure,Kamal wants to experiemnt just like Ghandhi tried various methods in politics (Non cooperative movement ,Uppu Sathiyagraham ,Ahimsa etc etc)

  
  Hmm.. maybe you have a point Joe. But wasn't Kamal referring to the internal politics of that time? I think Gandhi's appeals for communal harmony were out of concern. Or atleast so they would seem. Would he dare exeriment with something so explosive?
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jul 11 11:46:32 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  joe wrote: Irrespective of failure,Kamal wants to experiemnt just like Ghandhi tried various methods in politics (Non cooperative movement ,Uppu Sathiyagraham ,Ahimsa etc etc) Hmm.. maybe you have a point Joe. But wasn't Kamal referring to the internal politics of that time? I think Gandhi's appeals for communal harmony were out of concern. Or atleast so they would seem. Would he dare exeriment with something so explosive?

  
  
  I would say ,the India-Pakistan partition is very much explosive ,which is the main reason for his assasination.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jul 11 11:48:32 2007.

  Though i agree with Kannan that the Gandhian connection is with respect to political and communal harmony, Joe's point is interesting because the tag line os Hey Ram is "An experiment with truth" [Gandhi's autobiography is "My Experiment With Truth"]
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:58:03 2007.

  joe wrote:

  I would say ,the India-Pakistan partition is very much explosive ,which is the main reason for his assasination.

  
  Ahaa, Joe.. andha angle discuss panradhe explosive for this thread . I get your and CR's point. As for the movie's tag line, experiment with whose truth? Saket Ram's? Abhyankar's? Gandhi's? The refugees'?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jul 11 12:01:07 2007.

  It's Saketh's but he didnt know that till Mahatma's murder. correctaa ??
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 12:33:43 2007.

  Sakala, that's open ended, IMO. That's its beauty. As they say, there is no absolute truth .
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Jul 11 12:44:12 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  joe wrote: I would say ,the India-Pakistan partition is very much explosive ,which is the main reason for his assasination. Ahaa, Joe.. andha angle discuss panradhe explosive for this thread . I get your and CR's point. As for the movie's tag line, experiment with whose truth? Saket Ram's? Abhyankar's? Gandhi's? The refugees'?

  Bingo. Well put. That's the movie for you. That truth cannot exist in fragments but can exist as conflicting parts of a whole.
  
  No 'extremist' ever doubts the truth of what he is defending. What is more curious than his actions is his perception, that seems so much at odds with everyone else's. He thinks of himself as representing those, who may be too weak to have or express an opinion. He is a representative of truth as he sees it. Or to ask in Amjad's blunt words: உன் ஜாதிக்குப் ப்ரதிநிதியா வந்திருக்கியா ?
  
  The whole revolves around how things which are undeniable truths to some are marginal to all...and truth itself being a function of experience
  
  ஒரு ஓநாயா இருந்து பார்த்தாத்தான் அந்த தர்மம் புரியும்
  
  உனக்குப் புரியாது ராம், நீ சௌத் இண்டியன்
  
  உடம்பு உபாதை, இதெல்லாம் இழந்துட்டேன்....இனி மிஞ்சி இருக்கிறது என பரிசுத்தமான ஆத்மா
  
  உங்களுக்கும் மிஸ்டர். சாகேத் ராமுக்கும் என்ன உறவு
  சரீரத்துக்கும் ஆத்மாவுக்கும் இருக்கிற உறவு
  
  இப்பிடி ஒரு பாம்பு தோள்ல கையைப் போட்டுட்டு நிக்கறாரே..எப்பிடி பட்ட மகாத்துமா இந்த காந்தீ ?
  
  No Ram....Gandhi is the only sanity in this country... உனக்குப் பைத்தியமாடா ?
  
  
  It is most definitely an experiment with truth - the concept of what is the nature of truth.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 12:56:47 2007.

  PR,
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  ஒரு ஓநாயா இருந்து பார்த்தாத்தான் அந்த தர்மம் புரியும்

  
  That best sums up the actions of every main character in the movie.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jul 11 13:00:31 2007.

  are we confusing between truth and opinion??
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 12 1:04:19 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  are we confusing between truth and opinion??

  
  I think i agree to an extent with Sakala here.
  While there may be no absolute truth, i think Hey Ram is about Saket Ram's sense of futility in the face of history repeating itself and 'our' failure to learn from our mistakes.
  
  The Saket Ram under Abhyankar's 'control' believes that eliminating the appeasing Gandhi is the only way to reinstate a Hindu rashtra. So, i would say it's belief which is implied, rather than truth.
  OK, even if we take it that truth can never be absolute, the film might have been about selecting the "best" possible 'truth'. Best for whom? - Everyone/India.
  appadi paartha, it doesn't look like its open-ended.
  The realization (truth?) comes late in the movie.
  Also, "experiment" here may refer to history or the past. In that sense, isn't truth depicted as an eternal phenomenon?
  
  P.S: Sorry if that didn't make any sense. Was just thinking "aloud"
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jul 12 1:34:45 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  The Saket Ram under Abhyankar's 'control' believes that eliminating the appeasing Gandhi is the only way to reinstate a Hindu rashtra.

  While he is no great fan of the Hindu rashtra itself:
  " ada uLLa vaayyA ........adhAn mAmA illaiyE"
  
  "idhellAm un vignyAnaththukku appArppattadhu..."
  "bagavAnukkum appArppattadhO ?"
  
  The Hindu jingoism is just a driftwood for him and he clings on to it absurdly when all he had was a misplaced personal vengeance.
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Also, "experiment" here may refer to history or the past. In that sense, isn't truth depicted as an eternal phenomenon?

  
  
  If someone is balanced enough to say "Hey ! this is just an opinion, perhaps not the absolute truth" then he is unlikely to be an extremist. Extremism of any sort stems from the belief that one's 'opinion' is the only truth.
  
  In terms of selecting the 'best' truth, the movie moved still did not move towards a simple acceptance of Gandhi, the man, as the 'only' one. Doesn't it seem bull-headed and seem like the vocabulary of a fanatic when Gandhi says " I will only listen to the voice within me" ?
  
  When his assistants are impatient with the man who asks Gandhi to go to the Himalayas, Gandhi's reaction is shown as the 'Mahatma's approach to truth. That it does not always imply agreement. That it can remain fragmented, the solutions will not be simple. And it will require an effort to rise beyond and see the bigger picture. And most importantly: that effort is humanly possible.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 12 1:44:26 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  While he is no great fan of the Hindu rashtra itself: " ada uLLa vaayyA ........adhAn mAmA illaiyE" "idhellAm un vignyAnaththukku appArppattadhu..." "bagavAnukkum appArppattadhO ?" The Hindu jingoism is just a driftwood for him and he clings on to it absurdly when all he had was a misplaced personal vengeance.

  
  Agree. I'd mentioned it for the "belief" angle, as against truth.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Also, "experiment" here may refer to history or the past. In that sense, isn't truth depicted as an eternal phenomenon?

  
  IOW, absolute.
  
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  If someone is balanced enough to say "Hey ! this is just an opinion, perhaps not the absolute truth" then he is unlikely to be an extremist. Extremism of any sort stems from the belief that one's 'opinion' is the only truth. In terms of selecting the 'best' truth, the movie moved still did not move towards a simple acceptance of Gandhi, the man, as the 'only' one. Doesn't it seem bull-headed and seem like the vocabulary of a fanatic when Gandhi says " I will only listen to the voice within me" ? When his assistants are impatient with the man who asks Gandhi to go to the Himalayas, Gandhi's reaction is shown as the 'Mahatma's approach to truth. That it does not always imply agreement. That it can remain fragmented, the solutions will not be simple. And it will require an effort to rise beyond and see the bigger picture. And most importantly: that effort is humanly possible.

  
  Fair enough
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 1:45:23 2007.

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 12 1:54:40 2007.

  joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 2:05:04 2007.

  joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  
  
  Good one
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 12 2:11:24 2007.

  joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  absolute true...indian youth is not interested in history. it feels that whatever heard is enuf and there is nothing more to get deep delved....i was also like that,
  
  i read about Anna sayint "_ _ _ _ onrum padithaanda pathiniyum alla, naanum mutrum thurantha munivanum alla" after reading that i felt bad about Anna, periyaar the whole DK, DK, but recently i read Gnaani's article in vikatan, about Anna, the man who established and enforced the habit of reading world history & politics, among DMK men, the man who sisnt bring ANY of his relative into party...i got the real truth...
  
  likewise HeyRaam too is an recollection if the real history...sadly there is less audiences...
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 2:22:32 2007.

  நன்றி நண்பர்களே!
  
  இதற்கு காரணம் நம் கல்வி முறையும் குடும்ப ,சமுதாய பின்புலமும் தான் காரணம் என நினைக்கிறேன்.
  
  இங்கே புத்திசாலி மாணவனை விட அதிக மதிப்பெண் வாங்கும் மாணவனுக்குத் தான் மதிப்பு .ஒரே புத்தகத்தை உருப்போட்டு வாந்தியெடுப்பது தான் நடக்கிறதே தவிர ,மாணவன் சுயமாக சிந்திக்கவோ ,அவன் தேடலுக்காக வாய்ப்புகளை வழங்கவோ ஊக்குவிக்கப்படுவதில்லை.
  
  அது போக ,நம் சமூக அமைப்பு ,ஏற்கனவே என்ன சொல்லி வச்சுருக்கோ அதை கேட்டுட்டு போயேன் .சும்மா ஏன் பைசா பிரயோஜனமில்லாத விஷயத்துல தலையிடுற -ன்னு சொல்லுறதே பழக்கமா போச்சு.
  
  இங்கு மரபுகளை உடைப்பதும் ,தள்ளி விடப்பட்டுள்ள கிணற்றுக்கு வெளியே தப்பி செல்ல நினைப்பதும் பாவம் .அங்கேயே சமத்தா இருந்தா நல்லவர் ,வல்லவர்-ன்னு பேர் வாங்கலாம் .
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 2:35:49 2007.

  கமல்ஹாசனுக்கு டாக்டர் பட்டம் கொடுத்த ஜேப்பியார் நேற்று சத்தியராஜுக்கும் , தேவாவுக்கும் டாக்டர் பட்டம் கொடுத்திருக்கிறார் .விரைவில் மயில்சாமி ,வையாபுரி போன்றவர்களுக்கும் டாக்டர் பட்டம் எதிர்பார்க்கலாம்.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 2:38:13 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  i read about Anna sayint "_ _ _ _ onrum padithaanda pathiniyum alla, naanum mutrum thurantha munivanum alla" after reading that i felt bad about Anna, periyaar the whole DK, DK,

  
  
  Thats called the Indianised Hypocrisy and unfortunately none of us can be an exception to it
  
  Last week's kumudam's Arasu BadhilgaL had an interesting answer about Gandhi's wife and her unspoken sacrifices. Gandhiyum male chauvinism-ku utpattavar enbathu purinthathu athai padikkumpOthu. It was a an excerpt from a book (forgot the name and author ). I felt a lump on my throat when I read it. antha puthagathai muzhumaiyAga padikka vEndum enRu thOnRiyathu. Will try to get it somehow.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 2:41:01 2007.

  joe wrote:

  இங்கு மரபுகளை உடைப்பதும் ,தள்ளி விடப்பட்டுள்ள கிணற்றுக்கு வெளியே தப்பி செல்ல நினைப்பதும் பாவம் .அங்கேயே சமத்தா இருந்தா நல்லவர் ,வல்லவர்-ன்னு பேர் வாங்கலாம் .

  
  
  samaatthAga iruppavargaLai vida - ulagathukku pOli mugathai kAttum palarE ingE nallavar, vallavaer ena pOtra padugiRaargaL.
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 2:41:27 2007.

  Roshan,
  Ithai konjam padinga
  http://blog.nandhaonline.com/?p=16
  
  

• From: smith1 on Thu Jul 12 2:52:20 2007.

  Regarding the flopping of Hey ram, there are many reasons apart from that mentioned :
  
  1. People here do not identify much with gandhi & his ideologies.
  2. Many languages spoken in the film.
  3. Length of the film.
  4. Excessive kissing scenes.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 3:16:13 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Roshan, Ithai konjam padinga http://blog.nandhaonline.com/?p=16

  
  
  Thanks That was a good and useful write up.
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Thu Jul 12 3:37:55 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  joe wrote: Roshan, Ithai konjam padinga http://blog.nandhaonline.com/?p=16 Thanks That was a good and useful write up.

  
  
  I too read this article.. Excellent.. Thanks for the link...
  
  

• From: kannannn on Thu Jul 12 5:35:24 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  are we confusing between truth and opinion??

  
  The only thing we can be certain of is the number of casualties (adhuvum sandhegam dhaan). Why it happened is not clear. It will never be and that is where interpretations and 'beliefs' come in. As PR put it, everyone believes he/she is right. Saket Ram's realisation is not that of truth but the best way forward. Note the way the movie ends: with a shot of photos from Aparna to Abhyankar. In other words they also show the changing 'perceptions' of truth.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  In terms of selecting the 'best' truth, the movie moved still did not move towards a simple acceptance of Gandhi, the man, as the 'only' one. Doesn't it seem bull-headed and seem like the vocabulary of a fanatic when Gandhi says " I will only listen to the voice within me" ?

  
  "Gandhiya suththi moonu vidhamana kurangugal irukku.. "
  
  

  Joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  
  I first saw the movie in 'Kino' theater, Bangalore. What started as euphoria when Kamal appeared on screen at the escavation dig, soon turned into absolute silence and by the time Kamal was caught in the mayhem at Old Delhi, people were talking to each other in rather loud voices .
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 12 5:49:08 2007.

  http://masivakumar.blogspot.com/2007/06/blog-post_24.html#comment-4545606083461023799
  
  "ஹே ராம் என்றொரு திரைப்படம். அதில் கடைசி காட்சியில் காந்தியின் படம் மிகப் பெரிதாக தீட்டப் பட்டிருக்கும் சுவரில், ஒவ்வொரு ஜன்னலாக திறப்பார் சாகேத் ராமின் பேரன். எல்லா ஜன்னல்களும் திறக்கப்பட்ட பின்னர் அந்த சுவரில் படம் இருக்காது. முழு வெளிச்சம் மட்டுமே."
  
  aandavaa, en ippdi vilayaadura?? nee enna thaan solla varra ??
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Jul 12 6:47:43 2007.

  What's the use? All these schmucks who suffer from ADD, would blame the 'filmmaker' and pass it off as 'boring'! All they need is a film with few punj dialaks, 5 songs (or more), 1 koothu song, Hero vs Villain storyline, romance, sentiment, routine melodrama, etc..etc.. (nothing wrong if the 'treatment' is 'entertaining' but then, when people find some bullcrap to be 'entertaining', I don't know what to say about them!
  
  

• From: Nerd on Thu Jul 12 10:55:30 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  What's the use? All these schmucks who suffer from ADD, would blame the 'filmmaker' and pass it off as 'boring'! All they need is a film with few punj dialaks, 5 songs (or more), 1 koothu song, Hero vs Villain storyline, romance, sentiment, routine melodrama, etc..etc.. (nothing wrong if the 'treatment' is 'entertaining' but then, when people find some bullcrap to be 'entertaining', I don't know what to say about them!

  
  I dont get it! I thought you guys will say a few good things about hey raam, which incidentally is one of my most fav movies. But whats happening here is the exact opposite. Bringing down other movies and blaming moviegoers, huh
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Jul 12 11:02:34 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: What's the use? All these schmucks who suffer from ADD, would blame the 'filmmaker' and pass it off as 'boring'! All they need is a film with few punj dialaks, 5 songs (or more), 1 koothu song, Hero vs Villain storyline, romance, sentiment, routine melodrama, etc..etc.. (nothing wrong if the 'treatment' is 'entertaining' but then, when people find some bullcrap to be 'entertaining', I don't know what to say about them! I dont get it! I thought you guys will say a few good things about hey raam, which incidentally is one of my most fav movies. But whats happening here is the exact opposite. Bringing down other movies and blaming moviegoers, huh

  
  
  Adhuvum correctu thaan. But, Kannannn touched upon 'Hey Ram theatre experience' and Joe spoke on how bad moviegoers are! Maybe I should have avoided what I just did. Sorry about that. I'm a little ticked off about the state of Thamizh cinema.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jul 12 12:55:27 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Last week's kumudam's Arasu BadhilgaL had an interesting answer about Gandhi's wife and her unspoken sacrifices. Gandhiyum male chauvinism-ku utpattavar enbathu purinthathu athai padikkumpOthu.

  
  Try Shyam Benegal's film: 'Making of the Mahatma'.
  
  It is about Gandhi's life in Africa. His process of transition from a barrister to a social activist to his return to India. In his move towards asceticism you can see the tensions bare between Mohandas (Rajit Kapur) and Kasturba (Pallavi Joshi). Great performances. If I'm right Rajit Kapur got the National Award that year.
  
  For Hey Ram, the multilingual story was always going to struggle to find an audience. Without knowing English it was going to be difficult to appreciate the film. He had tried his best in getting valid stories for most of the folks to speak Tamil (the MCC boys, Rani's lisp, Tanjavur Maratha etc.) but even eventually falls short somehere. With the Maharaja and with Gandhi etc. But thank god he kept it that way. It would have been looney to have them talk Tamil. I think that is the major reason for the movie's lack of reach. It is a reason that may not strike most of us.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 13:43:25 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Try Shyam Benegal's film: 'Making of the Mahatma'.

  
  
  inga athellAm kidaippathu kuthirai kombo PR I have to get it from India only. Thanks for the info
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 14:44:18 2007.

  Another silly punch from VV...
  
  Kamal: Yenga naan police (or something like that)...
  
  Beggar: Ippo thaanae vangittu ponaanga! Maripadiyum?
  
  Kamal: Unga kitta irunthumaa?
  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 14:48:13 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Another silly punch from VV... Kamal: Yenga naan police (or something like that)... Beggar: Ippo thaanae vangittu ponaanga! Maripadiyum? Kamal: Unga kitta irunthumaa?

  
  
  Yes Bay !! beauty is - romba casual-a irukkum antha conversation. Even when KH inquires the begger whether the vehicle which took Rani was a car or van - casual and natural.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 14:49:56 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Yes Bay !! beauty is - romba casual-a irukkum antha conversation. Even when KH inquires the begger whether the vehicle which took Rani was a car or van - casual and natural.

  
  
  Kamal: Inga rendu naalaiku munnaadi, oru Maruti van-a paatheengala?
  
  Beggar: Van-naa?
  
  Kamal: Athaanga, intha kadavu ippadi thorakkumae!
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 14:52:14 2007.

  A serious one...
  
  Kamal: Avaroda kadaisi kaariyathaiyaavathu avanga mata muraipadi Olunga pannanum Sir! Atleast, I owe him this much... Actually, I owe him a lot!
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:02:23 2007.

  The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills.
  
  "Chinna Pasengala yaaru kitta da vilayadareenga!"
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:05:34 2007.

  Hey Bay !! Looks like you remember the entire dialogues Aama antha scene-um nice one. Then when he analyses and discusses about the connection of Rani's and her parent's murder - with his boss.
  
  When he proposes to Jo at the airport and expresses that he'd take care of her and her daughter Maya well. "Kayal sAgumpOthu avaLukku anju maasam. Antha kozhanthaiyA Maya iruppa, naan avalUkku oru nalla appAvA iruppEn and... namma reNdu pErukkum ava orE magaLA iruppa
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Jul 13 15:06:23 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills. "Chinna Pasengala yaaru kitta da vilayadareenga!"

  
  
  Yeah. But if he performs in an intense role, people would nitpick, 'konjam over-acting illa' VV is just another testament that a great actor like Kamal can pull out a subdued role with ease, unlike a few other regional actors, who can do that WONLY
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:11:42 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  VV is just another testament that a great actor like Kamal can pull out a subdued role with ease, unlike a few other regional actors, who can do that WONLY

  
  I second that statement!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:13:36 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills.

  
  
  I disagree. It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:14:19 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Hey Bay !! Looks like you remember the entire dialogues Aama antha scene-um nice one. Then when he analyses and discusses about the connection of Rani's and her parent's murder - with his boss. When he proposes to Jo at the airport and expresses that he'd take care of her and her daughter Maya well. "Kayal sAgumpOthu avaLukku anju maasam. Antha kozhanthaiyA Maya iruppa, naan avalUkku oru nalla appAvA iruppEn and... namma reNdu pErukkum ava orE magaLA iruppa

  
  
  Kamal: Unna pudichirukku-nu sonnaaa??
  
  Jo:
  
  Kamal: Sorry....
  
  Jo: Ivlo therincha ungalukku, sela vishayangala sollaama irukarthu-thaan nallathu-nu theriyalayaa?
  
  Kamal:
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Jul 13 15:15:56 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Movie Cop wrote: The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills. I disagree. It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan

  
  
  Yep. Movie cop would agree to it He said, for an actor like Kamal, it's no big deal.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:16:22 2007.

  Roshan/Bay,
  May fav. dialogues from VV are between KH & Jo. I don't remember the exact dilagoues but they are:
  
  1. Naan Telugu irundhalum ungala kaapathirupen!
  2. Software ukkum enakkum sambandham kidayadhu... Naan full-a hardware!
  
  The way KH delivers those funny dialgoues with a serious, poker face! KH is just briiliant
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:18:31 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Jo: Ivlo therincha ungalukku, sela vishayangala sollaama irukarthu-thaan nallathu-nu theriyalayaa? Kamal: [/i]

  
  
  
  And he nods his head making her feel that he understands her No dialogues but still powerful.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:22:45 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Roshan/Bay, May fav. dialogues from VV are between KH & Jo. I don't remember the exact dilagoues but they are: 1. Naan Telugu irundhalum ungala kaapathirupen! 2. Software ukkum enakkum sambandham kidayadhu... Naan full-a hardware! The way KH delivers those funny dialgoues with a serious, poker face! KH is just briiliant

  
  
  When they get back to the hotel after their first meet ...
  
  
  Jo : unga kooda pEsunathula romba aaruthalA irukku
  
  KH : enkooda pEsura ellArumE ippadithAn solluvaanga
  
  Jo :
  
  ( )
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Jul 13 15:24:31 2007.

  Hmmm....indha padathai poRumaiyA innoru thadavai pAkkaNum pOla irukkE.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:26:15 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan

  
  Roshan - I didn't say that it was an easy role to play; just meant it was an easy role for an actor of the calibre of KH. A role like DCP Raghavan could be stretch for other/most actors but not for KH.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Jul 13 15:26:43 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hmmm....indha padathai poRumaiyA innoru thadavai pAkkaNum pOla irukkE.

  
  
  Same pinch
  
  For Kamal, I would
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:29:54 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  A serious one... Kamal: Avaroda kadaisi kaariyathaiyaavathu avanga mata muraipadi Olunga pannanum Sir! Atleast, I owe him this much... Actually, I owe him a lot!

  
  
  intha idathula nAn kuRippA gavanichEn - he will say "avanga nambikkaipadi" not "matha muRaippadi" Anyway Bay - great that you remember so much
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:32:59 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Roshan wrote: It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan Roshan - I didn't say that it was an easy role to play; just meant it was an easy role for an actor of the calibre of KH. A role like DCP Raghavan could be stretch for other/most actors but not for KH.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:51:34 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Roshan/Bay, May fav. dialogues from VV are between KH & Jo. I don't remember the exact dilagoues but they are: 1. Naan Telugu irundhalum ungala kaapathirupen! 2. Software ukkum enakkum sambandham kidayadhu... Naan full-a hardware! The way KH delivers those funny dialgoues with a serious, poker face! KH is just briiliant

  
  
  Kamal: Yean???
  
  Jo: Manirathnam padathula vara maathiri paesureenga! YAEN!
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:53:16 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Jo: Ivlo therincha ungalukku, sela vishayangala sollaama irukarthu-thaan nallathu-nu theriyalayaa? Kamal: [/i] And he nods his head making her feel that he understands her No dialogues but still powerful.

  
  
  But at that point, Jo's reactions were obviously saying YES! She just doesnt say it openly...
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:54:01 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hmmm....indha padathai poRumaiyA innoru thadavai pAkkaNum pOla irukkE.

  
  
  I think you should... Remove all the filters if you have any!
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:55:24 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: A serious one... Kamal: Avaroda kadaisi kaariyathaiyaavathu avanga mata muraipadi Olunga pannanum Sir! Atleast, I owe him this much... Actually, I owe him a lot! intha idathula nAn kuRippA gavanichEn - he will say "avanga nambikkaipadi" not "matha muRaippadi" Anyway Bay - great that you remember so much

  
  
  Danny: Illlaaaaa, Illllllaaaaaaaa! Nee eppudra avan kitta maatna?
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 16:16:24 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Kamal: Yean??? Jo: Manirathnam padathula vara maathiri paesureenga! YAEN!

  
  That was a funny one too, Bay! One other thing I liked about VV besides KH is that the dialogues were for the most part practical/realistic. Those are the kind of ones normally one would talk in day-to-day life! The only dialogues with cinematic undertones were the scenes involving the villains.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 16:18:47 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Kamal: Yean??? Jo: Manirathnam padathula vara maathiri paesureenga! YAEN! That was a funny one too, Bay! One other thing I liked about VV besides KH is that the dialogues were for the most part practical/realistic. Those are the kind of ones normally one would talk in day-to-day life! The only dialogues with cinematic undertones were the scenes involving the villains.

  
  
  Yupp! It was very realistic... Though he need not have had such hard time with those two villains (morons)!
  
  They could have shown him a little more heroic, so that I could have been happier! Especially the killing of Danny... Kamal should have RIPPED him apart! Romba easy-aa sethutaan!
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 16:52:13 2007.

  Some more teeny-tiny dialogues from VV!
  
  * Unakku irukura orae vazhi, kambi yenrathu! Unakko Kanakku varaathu... So Vaa Mani, nallaiku kaalaila station-la vanthu surrender aayidu! Thambigalaa, neenga ellam vera vela paathukonga paa!
  
  * Who's this guy, Anderson! He's somewhere out there... I'll get him!
  
  * Avana pudikanum Raagavan! En ponna ipdi pannanrathukaaga naan ipdi sollala! Oru ponna, intha maathiri alongolam pannitu oruthan santhoshama nada maadikittu irukkan!
  
  * Nellai meen kolambu manakkuthu! En veetlayum panraangalae... Pisssssaaaa, Macarooniiii - Enna baasha-nae puriya maatnguthu!
  
  etc etc...
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 19:00:29 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  * Nellai meen kolambu manakkuthu! En veetlayum panraangalae... Pisssssaaaa, Macarooniiii - Enna baasha-nae puriya maatnguthu! etc etc...

  
  Wow! Really good ones Bay! Especially the way KH would pronounce Pizza, Macaroni, Lasagna with a "kindal adichufying" undertone just awesome! If you closely observe his voice modulation even on that simple/casual scene - it is a example/lesson for any young kid on the block aspiring for acting! Looks like you have thoroughly enjoyed VV, Bay!
  
  To me, I liked VV till the first half. Very well made. Detail oriented & mostly fool proof till that point! But the "thriller" aspect of VV was lost the moment GM reveals who the killers are just at the stroke of the interval. Hence the second half got predictable & clichéd once KH the "super cop" hunts down and nail the serial killers like any other movie! Great first half but a tame second half. But the good thing about VV is - Though the second half was cliched it was not amateurish as any regular/run-of-the-mill masala pot boilers. It was still mature film-making in the second half and the movie was slick/well made in execution.
  
  Overall a good attempt from GM except for the fact that he let the cat out of the bag a little too soon thus killing the "thrill" element. I remember giving VV a 3* rating, in my review, with my final verdict reading "Refreshingly chill but no thrill"
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 19:04:53 2007.

  I understand! But if they had to reveal the killers in a thriller/suspense movie only at the climax, then they'd also have to have them as some moving characters in the main stream itself throughout! In this case, they needed the 2nd half to explain why those morons were actually morons, and how the cops trace them! It definitely dint look like a masala at any point to me!
  
  A classy movie that looked like a masala at the climax was GHAJINI though!
  
  Thanks for reminding me of LACCHHAANIYAAA!
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 19:19:07 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  I understand! But if they had to reveal the killers in a thriller/suspense movie only at the climax, then they'd also have to have them as some moving characters in the main stream itself throughout! In this case, they needed the 2nd half to explain why those morons were actually morons, and how the cops trace them! It definitely dint look like a masala at any point to me!

  
  But the problem here is in VV despite revealing the serial killers at the half way point, GM didn't clearly explain the psyche of the serial killers. To me, broadly, 2 kinds of movies can be made out of a "serial killer” movie.
  
  Category A: A pure thriller without getting into the psyche of the killers or analyzing the motives. Just keep the audience guessing on who the killer is and identifying them in the end with a complete element of surprise.
  Category B: A case study movie where you reveal the psyche of the serial killers and understand the motives behind the killings thus sprinkling the elements of thrill here & there.
  
  But VV neither provided the thrill (category A) nor revealed the real psyche (Category B) of the serial killers! That was my main disappointment!
  Nevertheless I agree with you that it's still a good movie!
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 19:24:11 2007.

  If you try to analyze the motives behind their killings, here are some....
  
  * We should be the best Doctors in this world! Intha olagathulla saavae iruka koodaathu!
  
  * Chinna vayasulirunthae, rathatha paatha oru eerpu!
  
  * Antha jail-la annikku night, antha maathiri avan pannirka koodaathu! I dont like ppl like that!
  
  No connection at all bet the three...
  
  But even then, why do they rape and execute only gals, and that too when they're GAY?
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 19:29:22 2007.

  Exactly! There was no consistency/connection on what those 2 kids were talking about throughout the movie, unfortunately!
  
  

• From: thamiz on Fri Jul 13 21:25:36 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Exactly! There was no consistency/connection on what those 2 kids were talking about throughout the movie, unfortunately!

  
  
  That's unfortunate
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Fri Jul 13 21:48:39 2007.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3478205360792460998&q=Virumaandi&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4
  
  Virumaandi
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sat Jul 14 1:53:13 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Some more teeny-tiny dialogues from VV! * Unakku irukura orae vazhi, kambi yenrathu! Unakko Kanakku varaathu... So Vaa Mani, nallaiku kaalaila station-la vanthu surrender aayidu! Thambigalaa, neenga ellam vera vela paathukonga paa! * Who's this guy, Anderson! He's somewhere out there... I'll get him! * Avana pudikanum Raagavan! En ponna ipdi pannanrathukaaga naan ipdi sollala! Oru ponna, intha maathiri alongolam pannitu oruthan santhoshama nada maadikittu irukkan! * Nellai meen kolambu manakkuthu! En veetlayum panraangalae... Pisssssaaaa, Macarooniiii - Enna baasha-nae puriya maatnguthu! etc etc...

  
  
  Yes voice modulation nallA irukkum and as Movie Cop said the way he pronounces Pissssa., Macarroooni etc Actually the dialogue goes like this... "Mrs Arokyaraj, meen kozhambu kolluthu... nellaiya adddddichukka mudiyAthu..
  
  .... Pisssssaaa, Macaroni... thitturALA menu solrALA-nE theriyala
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sat Jul 14 5:47:58 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3478205360792460998&q=Virumaandi&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4 Virumaandi

  
  Awesome !
  From nowhere VirumAndi springs from apparent obscenity to brutal logic.
  What an intro ! (I consider this too to be an intro)
  
  Watch out for the expression after he thumps the table. Killer !
  
  payamnA ennannu unga ellArukkumnu theriyumnu theriyudhu.......adhu theriyAdhungradhu dhAn en kuththam.......Ei..viLakka amuthuyyA...edukkAdhendranle
  
  
  Awesome lines throughout ! No quoatable , quotes just straight virumAndispeak.
  
  His memories run back for a while, with filmy eyes. A vulnerable vacant stare. And then as he recounts his days his voice and expressions are exactly like someone reliving his days as he recounts them.
  
  
  _________
  On of those hanging lines I am chewing on till date: "naama ellA(ru)mE karuvi dhaen"
  
  

• From: NOV on Sat Jul 14 8:57:52 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  From nowhere VirumAndi springs from apparent obscenity to brutal logic. What an intro ! (I consider this too to be an intro)

  what a coincidence. i just finished watching the movie.
  
  excellent film, tho the normal filmgoer may find it a little dry. to make it even better, the intro (song etc) should have been avoided. then it would have been serious film making. also the songs were just too many. would have been happy with just unnai vida. also were the smooching scenes necessary?
  
  other than these three things, virumandi is an excellent film.
  i'll be happy if kamal gives these kind of movies between his janaranjaga (ie money making) films.
  
  yeah, kamal is just par excellence, no doubt.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Jul 15 6:45:20 2007.

  NOV,
  
  i dunno why some people are intent on posting negatively (BO perspective) on movies that made good amount of money.. is virumandi not a money making movie?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Jul 15 8:11:49 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  to make it even better, the intro (song etc) should have been avoided. then it would have been serious film making. also the songs were just too many. would have been happy with just unnai vida.

  Disagree NOV. Every single song sets the mood, buries us in the locale and takes the story forward. After Kombule Poovai Chutthi you feel like you have known Virumaandi for a long time. But it's been just 10 mins ! Andha KaanDAmaNi sets up the metaphor to be used again and again later in the film. Thanks for small mercies reg. Unnai vida Look at the VirumANdi-Annaluchchumi relationship before and after the saNdiyarE song. The whole development of their story is packed into those 5 minutes.

  NOV wrote:

  also were the smooching scenes necessary?

  Much less 'unnecessary' than the highly imaginative visual of one flower leaning on the other.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 10:07:53 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  is virumandi not a money making movie?

  no idea DM.
  if it was a BO, then definitely good for tamil cinema and he should continue making these kind of thought-provoking films.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 10:12:21 2007.

  PR its ok, i am just nitpicking. however, the story telling was indeed slowed down by the songs.
  
  dialogues
  mannikiravan manushan, mannippu kEkkaravan periya manushan.
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Jul 15 11:18:17 2007.

  NOV,
  No wonder KL-la inniku sema mazhai.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 11:24:06 2007.

  as usual joe, neenga enna solla vareenganu enakku puriyala.
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Jul 15 11:27:14 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  as usual joe, neenga enna solla vareenganu enakku puriyala.

  
  
  Thideernnu kamal & kamal padaththai romba pugazhureengale..athu thaan .just kidding ..I was in KL this afternoon.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 11:31:41 2007.

  sorry joe, you will never understand me (solli puriya vaippatharkkum enakku thiramai illai).
  
  and you didnt even bother to contact me when you were in KL
  
  

• From: thamiz on Sun Jul 15 12:46:10 2007.

  joe wrote:

  as usual joe, neenga enna solla vareenganu enakku puriyala.

  
  
  I believe the latest development is that encourage +ve criticism. There will be serious action against anti-dasa fans in the near future!
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 19 1:29:48 2007.

  எத்தனையோ காட்சிகள் நம் மனதை மயக்குவதாக இருக்கலாம் .ஆனால் இதைப் போல என்னை உணர்ச்சிவசப்பட வைத்த காட்சி எதுவுமில்லை.
  
  நடிப்புலகின் தலைமகனும் அவர் கலையுல வாரிசு கலைஞானியும் இங்கே நடிப்புக்கு இலக்கணம் வகுக்கிறார்கள் .
  
  நடிகர் திலகம் கமல்ஹாசனைப் பார்த்து "உங்களைத் தானே நம்பியிருக்கோம்" - என்று சொல்லும் போது அதில் ஆயிரம் அர்த்தங்கள் பொதிந்திருக்கிறது .
  
  எத்தனை முறை பார்த்தாலும் கண்களில் நீர் கோர்க்க வைக்கும் காட்சி...
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajOWloDcwM
  
  தமிழ் திரையுலக வரலாற்றின் மிகச்சிறந்த காட்சிகளில் ஒன்று.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 19 1:37:22 2007.

  joe wrote:

  நடிகர் திலகம் கமல்ஹாசனைப் பார்த்து "உங்களைத் தானே நம்பியிருக்கோம்" - என்று சொல்லும் போது அதில் ஆயிரம் அர்த்தங்கள் பொதிந்திருக்கிறது .

  
  
  
  NT's (2nd) intro scene where he welcomes Aandavar and Gauthami Anni - Hardly any dialogue. Just some stares. No extreme closeup shots.
  Still, we know exactly what he is thinking!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 19 2:34:06 2007.

  Joe, aandavar always writes within the scope of the film and 'indirect' punches are mostly avoided. Yes, there are many subtle meaning in that scentence, but he says very next "Ungala vitta vera yaaru irukka intha veetla"......
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 19 2:36:45 2007.

  Recently saw nayagan again, the last time i saw was when i was scholing, avlo maturity of understanding the world wasnt there, esp a fil like nayagan...
  
  Now after copying the vcd and veiwing multiple times, i really wonder, what al these recent rowdy\dada\don\gangster movies have new in them, which wasn't there in nayagan......
  
  I rate nayagan too high than Heyraam, or any other kamal movie. The next one would be Devar Magan!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jul 19 2:51:09 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  I rate nayagan too high than Heyraam, or any other kamal movie. The next one would be Devar Magan!

  Perhaps in terms of Kamal's performance. Even Kamal has struggled to provide a canvas for himself like Nayagan.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 19 4:21:40 2007.

  Apart from kamal's performance, In terms of story telling, and other factors too Nayagan looked too good comparing with the trend that time...well devar magan was not a trend setter or Hey raam is not intended to be, but Nayagan formes the crux base for many stories coming now[Don based]
  
  And the simplicity too plays beautiful....so its a movie for all and not like Hey Raam or even Devar magan......
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Fri Jul 20 19:27:12 2007.

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8
  
  ba ba ba ...ba ba ba re
  
  

• From: RajaRam on Wed Jul 25 10:15:36 2007.

  Quote:

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8

  
  கலக்கல் பாடல்.
  
  விசில் சத்தத்தில் தியெட்டர் குலுங்கியது.
  
  

• From: smith1 on Wed Jul 25 10:29:28 2007.

  In terms of acting, I would rate "Nayakan, Guna & Anbe Sivam" as three of kamal's best performances.
  
  In terms of screenplay, it would be undoubtedly sagara sangamam. Kamal himself said so.
  
  In terms of direction, it will be Hey Ram, Mahanadhi & a few others.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Jul 25 10:44:09 2007.

  RajaRam wrote:

  Quote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8 கலக்கல் பாடல். விசில் சத்தத்தில் தியெட்டர் குலுங்கியது.

  
  
  And how convincing he is
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Wed Jul 25 11:07:28 2007.

  It is easy to forget the old(er) movies when it comes to rating the top 10 performances etc. But, as far as Kamal is concerned, his performance as the scarred individual in 'Anbe Sivam' is head and shoulders above the rest.
  
  It might be sacrilege to some fans. But I think 'Sivam' was way ahead of Nayagan and even Devar Magan. In spite of average production values and average direction, with not very talented costars (Kiran ), 'Sivam' made everyone seriously follow his ideology and sympathise with it. A true actor's achievement is to hold fort when things around him are average or mediocre.
  
  'Anbe Sivam' was one such instance.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Jul 25 11:08:07 2007.

  RajaRam wrote:

  Quote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8 கலக்கல் பாடல். விசில் சத்தத்தில் தியெட்டர் குலுங்கியது.

  
  
  
  
  AS came when i was 10 i think. My parents take us(me and my bro) to movie once in 2 weeks or so. This was the first movie they took us for the second time too
  
  One Unique record of AS:
  The first movie Thirumaran saw for the second time in theater
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Jul 25 11:42:38 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  The first movie Thirumaran saw for the second time in theater

  
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Aug 23 2:11:54 2007.

  kuruthippunal - none
  indian - Thatha comes in TV
  Avvai - hero is interviewed by crazy mohan in TV
  Hey raam - none
  Tenali - Again interview to Raj TV
  Aalavanthan - heroine is Star TV Journalist
  PKS - none
  Panchathantiram - none
  Anbe Sivam - Maddy is AD fim maker and his TV Ad is shown
  Virumaandi - the movie starts with, media persons entering into jail for interviews, in climax, the whole jail scene is shown in News, the very end debate is live on TV, as the film ends
  Vasoolraja - none
  MX - none
  VV - kamal, hurt and injured, shown in TV
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Thu Aug 23 3:32:56 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  kuruthippunal - none indian - Thatha comes in TV Avvai - hero is interviewed by crazy mohan in TV Hey raam - none Tenali - Again interview to Raj TV Aalavanthan - heroine is Star TV Journalist PKS - none Panchathantiram - none Anbe Sivam - Maddy is AD fim maker and his TV Ad is shown Virumaandi - the movie starts with, media persons entering into jail for interviews, in climax, the whole jail scene is shown in News, the very end debate is live on TV, as the film ends Vasoolraja - none MX - none VV - kamal, hurt and injured, shown in TV

  
  
  Ippa ethukku intha aaraaichi
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Aug 23 3:57:57 2007.

  impact of media!
  
  

• From: omega on Thu Aug 23 7:25:47 2007.

  joe wrote:

  எத்தனையோ காட்சிகள் நம் மனதை மயக்குவதாக இருக்கலாம் .ஆனால் இதைப் போல என்னை உணர்ச்சிவசப்பட வைத்த காட்சி எதுவுமில்லை. நடிப்புலகின் தலைமகனும் அவர் கலையுல வாரிசு கலைஞானியும் இங்கே நடிப்புக்கு இலக்கணம் வகுக்கிறார்கள் . நடிகர் திலகம் கமல்ஹாசனைப் பார்த்து "உங்களைத் தானே நம்பியிருக்கோம்" - என்று சொல்லும் போது அதில் ஆயிரம் அர்த்தங்கள் பொதிந்திருக்கிறது . எத்தனை முறை பார்த்தாலும் கண்களில் நீர் கோர்க்க வைக்கும் காட்சி... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajOWloDcwM தமிழ் திரையுலக வரலாற்றின் மிகச்சிறந்த காட்சிகளில் ஒன்று.

  
  
  This is my all time favourite scene without any doubt & will ever be...Among all KH movies I would rate Dever Magan as the best as it had everything in it for everyone. One of the rare movies where everyone did their part to perfection....I still can't forget Nassar provoking NT in the panchayat scene.....Pakka villainism.....
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Aug 24 0:33:06 2007.

  ViLayum Payir muLayile theriyum
  
  
  http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/tfmlover1/VR%20Vintage/?action=view&current=Sonnathellaam.flv
  
  Thanks: tfmlover
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 2:54:22 2007.

  An interesting question IMO, posted in Orkut by a fan called Arun
  
  

  Quote:

  a doubt from a scene in virumaandi the scene :- when kamal goes to meet pasupathy, pasupathy will be shaving his armpits andha scene la kamal : "enna pesureenga neenga, onga kooda kootaali ya onnukulla onna irukalaamnu vandhaa...." pasupathy : "kootali yaa....en kooda vaa.....yedhukku" kamal : " pinna, annalakshmi dhaan nethu yen usura kaapathichu " for that pasupathy's reaction would turn into ANGER.....he wud shout "annalakshmi annalakshmi.....".....then abhirami will also come and try to justify what she had done is not wrong....... this is what i don't understand.......though pasupathy shud get angry according to the script, he wasn't supposed to show his displeasure at kamal's survival by shouting angrily.....and even kamal is unbothered as to why pasupathy is shouting..... did i understand the scene wrong ????? or is there a mistake ???

  
  
  4-um therinja hubber yAravadhu aiyyappAttai thIthu vechA nallA irukkum
  
  1) One possibility is PP may trying to pass of his anger as a result of Annalachumi not telling him that earlier but Arun counters:
  

  Quote:

  annalakshmi says... kazhudhayo naaikuttiyo manushano....kuthiyurum kolayirum aa kadakayilae...paathutu summa va irukka mduiyum... what does this mean ????? this implies that pasupathy publicly displayed his anger only because kamal was alive and not because annalakshmi didn't tell it to him

  
  
  2) One more possibility is that though PP may try to pass his anger off as a concern of "Annalachumi, why didn't you tell me before", because she sees the "ko" in the aruva, she sees through his veneer (which PP doesn't know) and blurts out the rather honest/unexpected lines - if she hadn't known that PP is the culprit, she would have told PP earlier, and since she knows she obviously didn't tell him earlier and ends up justifying why she *saved* him.... However, that doesn't explain why Aandavar doesn't find it odd...
  
  Virumaandi asks: "enna, chollaliya?"
  Annam says: "paathutu summa va irukka mudiyeen"
  
  PP puts a mask Q: "Why didn't you tell me earlier?"
  Virumaandi too thinks thats why PP is angry
  but Annalachumi exaplains why she *saves* him (unwittingly exposing really why PP is angry) and yet Virumaandi is not alarmed...
  
  Probably the whole point was to show how naive he is...
  
  P.S: Sorry if anything obvious is being missed
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 3:03:33 2007.

  One more:
  I think PR raised this question:
  
  Can anyone elaborate on Peikkaman's line "nAma ellArumE karuvinga dhAn" when Rohini is interviewing Virumaandi?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Aug 24 4:12:41 2007.

  to put it simply, peikaamans anger is that annalakshmi unexpectedly entered into the [crime] plot, which peikan didnt knew b4 virumaandi told him.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 4:17:49 2007.

  Sakala,
  PP = Kothala Thevar
  Inspector = Peikkaman
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 4:28:15 2007.

  Sakala,
  Is that not what is implied by the question "Why didn't you tell me before ?"...
  
  

• From: Corleone on Fri Aug 24 4:41:24 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  to put it simply, peikaamans anger is that annalakshmi unexpectedly entered into the [crime] plot, which peikan didnt knew b4 virumaandi told him.

  
  
  If u replace peikaaman with PP, then this looks like a good explanation for that question.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Aug 24 7:40:29 2007.

  CR, its as usual my fing-slip! mistake as colorone pointed out. and i re-stated it to just simply put in one word.....
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 24 11:52:26 2007.

  Largely agree with youur reading CR
  
  KothAlan is of course unhappy that his Virumaandi didn't die. So his immediate reaction is anger when he learns that Annalachumi was instrumental in saving him. He most definitely has an opinion that the girl is too smart for her own good. And there is a good chance that Virumaandi was behind that door when he spoke to her asking her to "be safe" on that night. (which is one of those twice shown scenes). So this means that she quite actively hid information from him, which means that she has quite correctly guessed that he is not what he seems. Anger at multiple levels.
  
  And anyway this is show of anger is justified as parent chiding his daughter for having a male acquaintance.

  Quote:

  kazhudhayo naaikuttiyo manushano....kuthiyurum kolayirum aa kadakayilae...paathutu summa va irukka mduiyum...

  This is Annalachumi downplaying it. That it wasn't as if they were hanging out together, just that he was in need and she helped. And that he means nothing to her.
  
  
  Of course, later he sees the blooming relationship to be advantageous. But at some level he is uncomfortable about their closeness. Watch out for Pasupathi's expression when Kamal is washing hands before the meal. You can't get a more tentative, subdued-anger expression than that. Perhaps he is not as happy about the relationship as he has managed to present to the world.
  
  PeykkAman's line still remains on the table.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 12:49:05 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  And anyway this is show of anger is justified as parent chiding his daughter for having a male acquaintance. Quote: kazhudhayo naaikuttiyo manushano....kuthiyurum kolayirum aa kadakayilae...paathutu summa va irukka mduiyum... This is Annalachumi downplaying it. That it wasn't as if they were hanging out together, just that he was in need and she helped. And that he means nothing to her.

  
  So, you mean, even if he doesn't *say* anything, both Annam and Virumaandi "think" that kothALan is angry because of the "Annam-pazhagufying-with-Viruman" angle? mmm possible, but light-a doubt-a irukku..
  
  Let me put this in another way:
  From Viruman's POV, he is in the dark about Kothalan's real motives. So, when he says "nAma oNNUkuLLa oNNu AittOm" etc, would he have expected Kothalan's reaction, even though he knows Kothalan is not going to agree straight away? It would appear to be too strong and too quick/spontaneous a reaction for a fatherly/brotherly anger - from Viruman's POV, that is
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 24 13:38:08 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  It appears to be too strong and too quick/spontaneous reaction for a fatherly/brotherly anger.

  
  The source of his anger is elsewhere but his outburst is acceptable even for the ostensible reason.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  So, you mean, even if he doesn't *say* anything, both Annam and Virumaandi "think" that kothALan is angry because of the "Annam-pazhagufying-with-Viruman" angle?

  perhaps not Annalachumi. She is most probably playing along keeping-up-appearances.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 13:48:34 2007.

  Thanks PR
  Orkut-la post panren
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 24 14:12:46 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Thanks PR Orkut-la post panren

  EdhO nammAl aana thoNdu. Trust you post about "karuvi" when some light is thrown on that.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 14:20:35 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Trust you post about "karuvi" when some light is thrown on that.

  
  Kandippa
  
  

• From: kannannn on Sun Aug 26 18:29:23 2007.

  May be I am late, but this is what I think..
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: It appears to be too strong and too quick/spontaneous reaction for a fatherly/brotherly anger. The source of his anger is elsewhere but his outburst is acceptable even for the ostensible reason.

  
  He clearly says during the narration of the episode to Rohini "Ariyaadha ponnu, avanoda vasiyathula vizhunthuduvalonnu bayam. Annikke avana konnirukkanum.."
  
  (A goof-up: look at the camera placement in the initial scenes involving Kamal and Rohini. It changes between shots.)
  
  Even before he he beckons Annalatchumi, he lets show his distrust/mistrust of Virumaandi, when Virumaandi offers his land. So, neither are completely comfortable with the other.
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Can anyone elaborate on Peikkaman's line "nAma ellArumE karuvinga dhAn" when Rohini is interviewing Virumaandi?

  
  
  Peykaaman's is one of the best secondary characterisations in recent times. That 'Karuvi' line is absolutely in keeping with his nature. He is treacherous and double crossing, but at the same time apologetic. He tends to change his allegiance at the drop of the hat ('Unakku Kothaladevan'a tharen' during the riot). So, when he says 'Enna paarkura, naame ellarume karuvidhaan', he is being apologetic, as if trying to explain that he was just carrying out some one else's orders. Who knows when he will require Virumaandi's help again (which he does)!!
  
  I think Peykaaman-like characters are recurring in Kamal's movies. Think Govardhan in 'Hey Ram' and Hanifa in 'Mahanadi'. These characters also tend to be disgusting, with obvious references to their pimp like qualities. Kamal's tussle with these characters are secondary, but nonetheless important (beautifully implied in 'Viru.. virumaandi' song through the lines 'Peykaamanai adakki vaitha Virumaandi')
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Aug 29 0:39:28 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Peykaaman's is one of the best secondary characterisations in recent times. That 'Karuvi' line is absolutely in keeping with his nature. He is treacherous and double crossing, but at the same time apologetic. He tends to change his allegiance at the drop of the hat ('Unakku Kothaladevan'a tharen' during the riot). So, when he says 'Enna paarkura, naame ellarume karuvidhaan', he is being apologetic, as if trying to explain that he was just carrying out some one else's orders. Who knows when he will require Virumaandi's help again (which he does)!! I think Peykaaman-like characters are recurring in Kamal's movies. Think Govardhan in 'Hey Ram' and Hanifa in 'Mahanadi'. These characters also tend to be disgusting, with obvious references to their pimp like qualities. Kamal's tussle with these characters are secondary, but nonetheless important (beautifully implied in 'Viru.. virumaandi' song through the lines 'Peykaamanai adakki vaitha Virumaandi')

  
  Makes sense...
  He was also probably reiterating Kondarasu's line "Kothalathevarukku aripedutha sorinjikka payanpaduthara karuvi nee" which he says in the Panchayat. Maybe that explains the catch phrase "nAma ellArumE". Interesting he says this in the presence of others, including Rohini. A veiled statement indicating "we both know, but you are also like me"?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 31 3:43:03 2007.

  Nice observations kannan and CR.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Sep 3 8:28:31 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  He was also probably reiterating Kondarasu's line "Kothalathevarukku aripedutha sorinjikka payanpaduthara karuvi nee" which he says in the Panchayat. Maybe that explains the catch phrase "nAma ellArumE". Interesting he says this in the presence of others, including Rohini. A veiled statement indicating "we both know, but you are also like me"?

  
  Exactly!! It seems like a private conversation, a coded message only they could understand..
  
  BTW, was live dubbing used in Virumandi? Most scenes in prison seemed to have live dubbing. Wonder if that was on purpose, considering that steady cam was also used extensively for those scenes. Perhaps, a documentary effect was intended (just as Rohini would see them)..?!
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Mon Sep 3 10:09:51 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  BTW, was live dubbing used in Virumandi? Most scenes in prison seemed to have live dubbing. Wonder if that was on purpose, considering that steady cam was also used extensively for those scenes. Perhaps, a documentary effect was intended (just as Rohini would see them)..?!

  
  
  The whole movie had live recording only, not just the prison scenes.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 5:59:06 2007.

  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-08-28T02%3A18%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=2
  
  

  Quote:

  My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose.

  WOW! WOW! summava sonnaanga sinthanai selvarnnu
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 6:03:46 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-08-28T02%3A18%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=2 Quote: My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose. WOW! WOW! summava sonnaanga sinthanai selvarnnu

  
  Superb
  
  Sakala,
  
  
  *uck! What an interview
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 6:19:03 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-08-28T02%3A18%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=2 Quote: My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose. WOW! WOW! summava sonnaanga sinthanai selvarnnu

  
  
  [tscii]Part I of a two-part interview by S Shiva Kumar:
  
  It is as if he is conserving all his energy, emotions and expressions. It is as if he is always waiting for that magical command, 'Action'. That's when the body undulates and the eyes light up. That's when the actor transforms into the character.
  
  Meet Kamal Hassan, the master of masquerade.
  
  He has come along way. He has traversed the length and breadth of the land, breaking linguistic barriers and leaving audiences incredulous at his repertoire and his seemingly inexhaustible bag of tricks. He has seen it all.
  
  His careergraph, as a stock market analyst would put it, is full of higher tops and lower bottoms. But the fundamentals are strong. He is the trapeze artiste who walks the tight rope between art and commerce. He has faltered but never fallen.
  
  The press has fawned and frowned upon him depending on their personal equation with the man. Like the well-known critic who would rate any Kamal Hassan film as a classic till a personal spat. After that, Hey! Ram was an exercise in self-indulgence and Govinda was suddenly a better actor.
  
  As an actor, there's none to match him in contemporary Indian cinema save Mohanlal, to a certain extent. It's not as if Kamal is incapable of bad performances. He has hammed in most of his Hindi films, including Saagar.
  
  Even in his latest release, Thenali, his performance is theatrical. His problem is that audiences yearn for something different and spectacular each time he appears on screen.
  
  That is the kind of unique niche he has carved for himself, unlike superstars like Amitabh and Rajnikant, who are prisoners of their images and whose fans will not tolerate variety.
  
  I meet Kamal at his office on a day when he seems relaxed. He is dressed in jeans and a tight black T-shirt that shows off his newly developed pectorals and biceps that even Popeye would envy. His face shows sings of ageing, but his body is fit and his mind as sharp as ever.
  
  Part I of a two-part interview by S Shiva Kumar:
  
  Do you feel, as an actor, you've reached your peak?
  
  No. I thought I had crossed the peak, and after that, it was all going to be a race downhill.
  
  So, I was thinking how I should stop the momentum and all my efforts were concentrated towards stopping the momentum and not to rise. Now, I don't know again. So it seems to be an undulated terrain. You can't call anything a peak as such.
  
  Whenever I ask myself what stage of career I'm in right now, I don't really know the answer. It's very confusing. Ten years ago, I thought I was racing very fast, downhill. I thought I'll have to change route, find another profession.
  
  You took up direction after a long time. But in the interim, you've always been called a closet director. Any film that wasn't directed by the top liners like Mani Ratnam or K Balachander, it was assumed that you were wielding the megaphone.
  
  That is, in a way, true and in a way, false. Because I feel no cinema is a single man's effort.
  
  People like Akira Kurosawa did give you that feeling, but there are so many contributing factors. You cannot control that, especially the way it is done here. You can't be alone even to supervise your ideas.
  
  There are so many inputs and there are so many undeserving, as well as humble contributors. Some don't contribute at all and those people I call undeserving. There are some who really contribute and walk away without even asking for applause.
  
  Even if you say I made Hey! Ram, it wouldn't be completely right. It is not possible to do it alone. My cameraman, my art director and my costume department are equally important. I could sleep well at night because I had this crew.
  
  I don't say this out of humility. I'm confident I would have made Hey! Ram without the Thirus and Sarikas, but that's an arrogant way of looking at it. It would have moved away inch by inch from whatever little perfection we've achieved.
  
  About this closet direction, no. Mine was a glass case. Everyone knew.
  
  At what point did the director in you start taking over?
  
  I have been doing this right from the beginning. I never wanted to be an actor. I love my crew. I want to be with them, not rise above them. Rising above them is easy. You become a tyrant, a genius or an eccentric. You rise above them and they give you a misnomer. They'll call you a tyrant, a genius and vice versa.
  
  Mediocrity has been the standard and the easiest thing to achieve. To rise above mediocrity is about the best thing for any man who seeks excellence. But I am not even rising above mediocrity. I am mediocre and have kept myself that way."
  
  Aren't you being too modest?
  
  No, I'm not. I am mediocre because that is my audience. It is not that I am generalising. The daily collection report says that my general audience is mediocre. The minorities who talk as cleverly as I do don't matter because they can have a private conversation with me.
  
  It's said that when you make suggestions, they seem to enhance your character but do not contribute to the general flow in the film. Is that a rather selfish approach?
  
  As an actor, if you will take my suggestion, well, that's what I'll do. That's what even Marlon Brando would do.
  
  I'm not going to tell him how to place the shot. If he asks me how to place the shot, it might improve the general film itself but nobody does that. I wouldn't.
  
  Girish Karnad worked in my film. I will never go and ask him how to do a certain scene. But I would take his suggestion and analyse it.
  
  Right from the beginning, I've been working as an assistant director to all my directors. Even now, for me, the making of the film is more important. It doesn't matter who gets the title. I can afford to say that because I have my face printed on celluloid.
  
  Isn't it also because you have more at stake than anyone else?
  
  For the last 15 years, it's my neck on the line every time. Nobody has the audacity to talk about personal losses, if at all there is any.
  
  Well, aesthetics does not have a price. But if at all anybody's neck is on the line, it's mine. And I bear it every time with minimum pain to others.
  
  That's why I don't try a Apoorva Sahodarargal (Appu Raja in Hindi) for others. Well, when it succeeds, it's okay but when it doesn't, it becomes a Hey! Ram. But the pain is similar and enormous. I cannot dump it on somebody.
  
  When I do it for others, I see to it that it's something as simple as a Guna or a Mahanadhi. Even if something goes wrong, the investment is minimal. Or, for that matter, even Thenali. It is quite a compact film and won't crunch into their bank account.
  
  Talking about a mediocre audience, do you call them so because they don't seem to like what you do?
  
  It's not that. It's the general attitude to look at the human. Vendors are now deciding what the editorial will be in a newspaper. The downfall is not the people. When the vendor decides, then the newspaper is gone.
  
  So who calls the shots in the film industry?
  
  The middleman, always. When they call the shots, that's the end of the film.
  
  Even where a Kamal Hassan is concerned?
  
  Everybody. I am talking about the whole industry. From the time the studios and their distribution network failed, the middlemen emerged. They have nothing to lose.
  
  But that doesn't seem to have stopped you from experimenting. Are you the rebel then?
  
  I keep trying because I'm a student of cinema and a film buff. That's why for the last ten years, I've not done a single day's work. It's a continuous paid holiday for me. I don't care.
  
  I am worried when people don't appreciate work. But the minority has been so kind to me. That's why I won't insult them. As a matter of fact, my survival comes from the minority, who go around like propagandists telling others how good my films are. But the purpose is not served.
  
  My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose. But mediocrity comes from training. It's not a DNA structure.
  
  Do you feel you're unique because the common man likes you as much as the cognoscenti?
  
  That's because I've humbled myself. I am not reluctant to shake hands with the common man. I used to be a common man and all that I've achieved is not real. It's all piled on to me; it's acquired.
  
  The core is the same, simple man. That is why I see the difference. But you can't segregate the two genres and cater simply to one.
  
  That way, you are risking the market saleability factor. I'm the brand, so I can't have a Lifebuoy and a Surf. It's not a filter cigarette versus a non-filter cigarette, produced by the same company.
  
  So what are you trying to do? Raise the audience's taste?
  
  No, no. Just trying to walk the tightrope and hope for applause.
  
  And what happens when an underrated classic (like Mahanadhi) flops?
  
  For me, Mahanadhi is a very important film. It's going to the Rotterdam festival -- pretty late, I know, six years since its release. But now Mahanadhi, Kurudhippunal, Hey! Ram, Nayakan and Pushpak are going to the festival.
  
  It is called Focus On A Filmmaker, and focuses on a filmmaker who has a mulit-dimensional contribution to films. So one film will promote me as an actor, one a director, another as a writer and one as a participant who creates on the spot.
  
  I have no complaints.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 7:00:20 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  *uck! What an interview

  
  
  Links for the same:-
  Part 1 http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/2007/08/his-handshake-is-not-firm-smile-never.html
  
  Part 2
  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/2007/08/second-and-concluding-part-of-interview.html
  
  This interview enlightened me about Hey Raam, than any other review\interview
  
  As usual, he speaks more truth all over the conversation. THIS ONE NEED TO BE ARCHEIVED
  
  its an bit older one, indeed, [during tenaali days]but still valid. and he makes a stanment that soon he will quit acting!...vitruvomaa avlo seekiram., aalavanthaan pammal, pks, anbe sivam, viru, vasoolraja, MX, VV nnu athuve oru Dasaavatharam illa !
  
  

• From: great on Tue Sep 4 9:06:04 2007.

  Amazing interview
  
  

• From: Roshan on Tue Sep 4 9:25:54 2007.

  Excellent Interview !!
  
  Thanks Bala
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Tue Sep 4 10:09:48 2007.

  Kamal as usual rocked
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 10:54:56 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Kamal as usual rocked

  
  
  Repeattu!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 13:27:46 2007.

  I have become a messenger who ports the Orkut Kamal fan mesages to forumhub! but still cant stop copying good posts like the one below..
  
  

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  Thalaivar's Dancing Skills - I Amongst his many talents, Thalaivar's prowess in dancing has earned him a good chunk of fan following over the years. His skills in dancing has ranged from the sublime to street level. He has been the undisputed King of Dancing in Indian film history for over 25 years. There has been many challengers (pretenders) over the years from tamil to telugu to hindi movies but one after the other has fallen by the wayside and slipped into oblivion. But Thalaivar has continued to rule the roost. Here is a brief overview of some of his dance performances that has been showcased over the past 3 decades - • Nizhal Nijamagirathu - There is a bharata natyam sequence which really kick started his whole dance journey. He really pulls off the bharata natyam steps with such ease while clad only in his pants, it is just unbelievable • Ek Duuje Ke Liye – His ‘siva thandavam’ dancing in this movie was a classic • Simla Special – He does the puppet movements which looks like a pre-cursor to break dancing in the ‘Unakenna Mela Nindraan’ song. He repeats the puppet movement to a limited extent in the ‘Ilamai Itho Itho’ song in Sakalakalavallavan • Vaazhve Maayam – In the song ‘Mazhai Kala Megam Ondru’, he does the ‘charleston’ steps so elegantly • Moondram Pirai – Dressed in what appears to be tribal attire, Thalaivar really pulls out some special stuff in slow paced movements • Sanam Teri Kasam – The bhangra dancing at the transgender wedding was a big highlight of this movie. Even Punjabi’s cannot dance the bhangra with the silken grace that Thalaivar displays • Sakalakalavallavan – There is a sequence in the ‘Ilamai Itho Itho’ song where he goes back and forth wearing roller blades. This was incredible coupled with his expression while doing that • Salangai Oli – What can one say about this movie and the dance sequences! There is no other actor in the world that can do this movie EVER. He practically re-defined classical dances that appears in movies • Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey – This movie had several stand out steps – o His dancing and facial expressions in the song ‘Varudu Varudu’ is worth millions. He transforms this local song to a classic level purely with his facial expressions while maintaining fast paced movements o There is a sequence where the Vinod character clad in the famous red color robe is shown dancing with the girls to music from a stereo. Thalaivar shows them how to dance to the beat and does a clapping routine that was stunning • Kakki Chattai – This movie featured Thalaivar in many great dance sequences, one stand out was in the song ‘Singari Sarakku’ where towards the end of the song he shakes his hips while being on one knee. Gives me goose pimples till date • Saagar – He absolutely destroys Rishi Kapoor (hyped by the Hindi film industry as a very good dancer) in the song ‘Yun Hi Gate Rahoo’. Thalaivar shows the world is skills at break dancing • Vikram – Again, this movie had many great sequences but the one step that stands out is where he jumps up and kicks his feet together in the title song. This step was repeated in many of his latter movies but it started here • Aboorva Sagotharargal – In the song ‘Anathey Aadurar’ he once again showed the world that there is no actor that can hold a candle to Thalaivar when it comes to dancing for dappan kuthu songs • Vetri Vizha – He destroys Prabhu who is another over-hyped dancer/actor in the song ‘Vaanam enna’ • Devar Magan – The dance sequence at his introduction was outstanding and very cleverly placed in a serious movie. His facial expressions in that sequence is worth millions • Kaadhala Kaadhala – He shows his superiority over a much acclaimed dancer like Prabhu Deva that “class will always win” in the song ‘Kaasu mela’. Again there is none to match his skills in dancing for songs of that genre • Thenali – His dancing in the song ‘Oh Jaaye’ simply shows that this man does not age at all. How can anyone continue to pull one performance after another for such a long time! It is just incredible that someone can stay on top of their skills and show tremendous scope and variety over such a long period. This in an industry where the dance wonders last only 2 or 3 years at the most. He is like an 'akshaya paathiram' churning out such extraordinary performances without any let up. There has never been anyone like Kamal Haasan before and I am positive that there will never been anyone like Kamal Haasan in the future as well. If the statement seems outrageous to some, then I only ask them to watch the sequences listed in my earlier posts. This is not the most exhaustive list but it suffice to show the Great One's skill. One is left wondering, how can someone develop such a repertoire in one field alone while also staying on top of his profession in various other fields as well! It is only possible by the one and only Kamal Haasan! cheers kannan

  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 13:35:49 2007.

  only thing i differ in the above posst is abt kaathalaa kaathalaa. but still, overall, eventho prabudeva is knon for fast, stylish and funny movements, kamal scores in many vareity of dance sequences as said in the above post. an unique aspect is his facial expressions, during some dance movments, in some specific movies. that adds a new dimension
  
  

• From: kannannn on Tue Sep 4 14:42:22 2007.

  Thanks for the wonderful interview CR and Sakala. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find a meaningful interview with Kamal. Ellarum ore maadhiri kelvi ketkaraangalonnu kooda thonum.
  
  On another note, I just uploaded the scene from Virumaandi, where Peykaaman brings the murder witness to Kothalan's house. The scene starts with Kothalan trimming his nostril hair in the mirror and Annalatchumi barging in and picking a fight with Kamal. As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co. Also, notice how the villagers in the background nod in understanding when Peykaaman asks the witness to come inside the house. So, it is a open secret in the village that everyone and everything is manipulated in the case.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)
  
  

• From: Roshan on Tue Sep 4 14:48:01 2007.

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  About this closet direction, no. Mine was a glass case. Everyone knew.

  
  
  Nethiyadi !!!!
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Sep 4 20:18:42 2007.

  [tscii]

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  • Kaadhala Kaadhala – He shows his superiority over a much acclaimed dancer like Prabhu Deva that “class will always win” in the song ‘Kaasu mela’. Again there is none to match his skills in dancing for songs of that genre

  
  
  as always, there is no fanatic like an indian fanatic.
  a lesson to be learnt here: If you want to be remembered as tall, dont stand next to a very tall person.
  
  at best Kamal works hard to dance, he is no born dancer. for that at least, we must give him credit.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 22:50:18 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  [tscii]at best Kamal works hard to dance, he is no born dancer. for that at least, we must give him credit.

  ennamo kamal daily morning 5 o clock ezunthu Dance practice pannra maathiri solreenga!!!! all the oints told above are frm 10+ yrs old films!!! appove athu record.
  
  kathala kathala - yes the writer made flat comparision but again, prabudeva is known for stylish fast paced movements but kamal had come a full round.starting from classic, to mike mohan type to kuthu songs
  
  

• From: Nerd on Tue Sep 4 23:19:45 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  prabudeva is known for stylish fast paced movements but kamal had come a full round.starting from classic, to mike mohan type to kuthu songs

  
  awwwwww please
  kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 23:30:11 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic

  thanks for reminding that! will try to catch the same, when i see kaathalan
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 23:31:32 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic

  
  
  Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:31:53 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co.

  
  Would have *seen* it all the time but never *observed* it before. Thanks Kannan
  
  

  kannannn wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)

  
  No two freakin ways about it
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 23:32:47 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  On another note, I just uploaded the scene from Virumaandi, where Peykaaman brings the murder witness to Kothalan's house. The scene starts with Kothalan trimming his nostril hair in the mirror and Annalatchumi barging in and picking a fight with Kamal. As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co. Also, notice how the villagers in the background nod in understanding when Peykaaman asks the witness to come inside the house. So, it is a open secret in the village that everyone and everything is manipulated in the case. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)

  kannan, very gud point! i think we all have done a very good PHd on virumaandi. and yes, viru is very close to a all time classic. and director kamal's another acheivment
  
  

• From: Nerd on Tue Sep 4 23:34:09 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Nerd wrote: kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic

  
  innoru muRai thayavu seithu kAthalan padaththil andha CLASSICAL dance-ai pArkkavum. I was not talking about the unimitable, unmatchable oorvasi dance. Wait a min, what am I doing now?? Trying to substantiate that PD dances better than KH??????? Shame on me
  
  

• From: MADDY on Tue Sep 4 23:34:28 2007.

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  Part I of a two-part interview by S Shiva Kumar: Mediocrity has been the standard and the easiest thing to achieve. To rise above mediocrity is about the best thing for any man who seeks excellence. But I am not even rising above mediocrity. I am mediocre and have kept myself that way." Aren't you being too modest? No, I'm not. I am mediocre because that is my audience. It is not that I am generalising. The daily collection report says that my general audience is mediocre. The minorities who talk as cleverly as I do don't matter because they can have a private conversation with me. Talking about a mediocre audience, do you call them so because they don't seem to like what you do? It's not that. It's the general attitude to look at the human. Vendors are now deciding what the editorial will be in a newspaper. The downfall is not the people. When the vendor decides, then the newspaper is gone. So who calls the shots in the film industry? The middleman, always. When they call the shots, that's the end of the film. Even where a Kamal Hassan is concerned? Everybody. I am talking about the whole industry. From the time the studios and their distribution network failed, the middlemen emerged. They have nothing to lose.

  
  
  very very complex views, atleast for me .....does he mean, the middlemen(distributors, i presume) are deciding movie's fate and they are making it mediocre or does he blame it on the audience for being mediocre?? ....if he means audience, he is partly right and partly wrong
  
  partly wrong - bcos it is the same audience who accepted Nayagan, PV, sethu ........partly right, bcos majority (in his terms ) still love cliches,style quotients,feel good factors and weekend-paisa-vasool in movies
  
  

  Quote:

  I am worried when people don't appreciate work. But the minority has been so kind to me. That's why I won't insult them. As a matter of fact, my survival comes from the minority, who go around like propagandists telling others how good my films are. But the purpose is not served.

  
  
  is he talking abt PR, Kannan, Bala,gr8 etc etc. here ....JK, so he does know he has a very sensible following behind
  
  

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  So what are you trying to do? Raise the audience's taste? No, no. Just trying to walk the tightrope and hope for applause.

  
  
  he is surely trying to elevate the tastes of a average tamil cinema viewer .......but i believe, problem is much deep-rooted as Maniratnam put it once - as we develop in economic terms, we will get to see better movies :confused: ......i laughed out loud on that statement but its like a miracle - we are growing economically now(pretty uneven though) and we are seeing movies like PV, Mozhi, CH-28 in a single year ......
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:35:12 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Nerd wrote: kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic

  
  
  
  There are things like bhava and abhinaya in classical dance. Let's not commit more blasphemy by comparing any actor in IFI with KH in that department. Sachin's on-drive vs Dhoni's straight scoop....
  
  P.S: Agree that comparing anyone with PD in HIS domain is blasphemy, like the Kadhala Kadhala dance...
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 23:39:44 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  joe wrote: Nerd wrote: kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic innoru muRai thayavu seithu kAthalan padaththil andha CLASSICAL dance-ai pArkkavum. I was not talking about the unimitable, unmatchable oorvasi dance. Wait a min, what am I doing now?? Trying to substantiate that PD dances better than KH??????? Shame on me

  
  
  I know the classical dance in kathalan you are refering ..It is nowhere near kamal's salangai oli dance ..Nobody denies PD is best in dance ..He is extrodinary in speed and different steps ..but Still ,kamal is best in elegance in dance ..My most favois kamal's dance in punnahai mannan for the theme music.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:45:10 2007.

  MADDY wrote:

  very very complex views, atleast for me .....does he mean, the middlemen(distributors, i presume) are deciding movie's fate and they are making it mediocre or does he blame it on the audience for being mediocre?? ....if he means audience, he is partly right and partly wrong partly wrong - bcos it is the same audience who accepted Nayagan, PV, sethu ........partly right, bcos majority (in his terms ) still love cliches,style quotients,feel good factors and weekend-paisa-vasool in movies

  
  
  

  Quote:

  The downfall is not the people

  
  What he is trying to say is, (atleast as i see it), his reference to the DCR implies generally, not always, his more successful movies were not necessarily better than what he feels as his "good" ones - yes, exceptions are there. To an extent, the film-making fraternity has ensured that the standards are mediocre. Importantly, he includes himself in that list, though he is trying more than anybody else to break free!
  
  Abt the vendors/middlemen - I think this is whom he refers to as pandithargal. Sharks basically, who don't risk anything and yet take away the most. They kind of "dictate" or claim to "know" what the audience like and what they don't. Coupled with a film-making fraternity who stoke this inertia, all we have most of the time is mediocrity.
  
  IMO, he believes, if we keep giving quality movies, the general audience will learn to understand and appreciate them over time. The 'soozhal' should be conducive for that...
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:46:57 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  innoru muRai thayavu seithu kAthalan padaththil andha CLASSICAL dance-ai pArkkavum. I was not talking about the unimitable, unmatchable oorvasi dance. Wait a min, what am I doing now?? Trying to substantiate that PD dances better than KH??????? Shame on me

  
  

  joe wrote:

  I know the classical dance in kathalan you are refering ..It is nowhere near kamal's salangai oli dance ..Nobody denies PD is best in dance ..He is extrodinary in speed and different steps ..but Still ,kamal is best in elegance in dance ..My most favois kamal's dance in punnahai mannan for the theme music.

  
  Nerd,
  innoru murai Joe solradha padinga... and innoru murai Salangai Oli paarunga...
  seri, rendu perukkum venaam.. naattiyam therindha vanga karutha ketta innum theliva solluvaanga...
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 23:55:39 2007.

  IMO,Apart from energy and speed ,Expression and look also very important for dance ..There are many actors who are better in engergy and speed compare to kamal ..But surely kamal scores more in expression ,look and elegance .
  
  Even in 'unakenna mele nintral' song ,which can't be called as a dance number ,nammavar is extrodinary with his expression and elegance.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:59:03 2007.

  Joe,
  - adha thaan 'abhinaya' nu solluvaanga...
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 0:03:14 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Joe, - adha thaan 'abhinaya' nu solluvaanga...

  
  
  Yeah Recently I bought a DVD with 50 kamal songs (from Mustafa)
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Sep 5 0:06:11 2007.

  nerd, except the original post[by kannan] all have atleast once denied that kamal overtakes PD in kathala kathala. Done.
  
  reg Kaathalan, yes PD does an excellent steps and he tries to draw something on floor, i forget. as CR said, it wud be great if some one who knows dance brings out the nuances of that song.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 0:06:54 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Yeah Recently I bought a DVD with 50 kamal songs (from Mustafa)

  
  <Dig>
  Did you get Andha Naal in Mustafa? (If not, out of stock or not available at all?)
  </Dig>
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 0:08:59 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  PD does an excellent steps and he tries to draw something on floor.

  
  
  Mannathi Mannan-la irunthu shankar adicha copya? athula Vaathiyar dance aadi Puli Varaivaar.
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 0:11:34 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  joe wrote: Yeah Recently I bought a DVD with 50 kamal songs (from Mustafa) <Dig> Did you get Andha Naal in Mustafa? (If not, out of stock or not available at all?) </Dig>

  
  
  //dig
  Not available ..but a friend sending me from india I will share with you,if you want.
  //dig
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 0:13:31 2007.

  joe wrote:

  //dig Not available ..but a friend sending me from india I will share with you,if you want. //dig

  
  Thanks
  Let me know when you get it
  //End Dig
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 0:36:35 2007.

  I dont want to compare PD with Kamal especially in classical dance.
  PD and classical dance, to me is blasephmy
  
  All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth.
  
  What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated.
  
  Having said all these, I do not consider "dancing" as a part of "acting." So, we cannot and should not judge an actor on his dancing skills.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Sep 5 2:12:53 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth. What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated.

  
  
  
  Could not accept this.
  
  I consider u are comparing his dance in the past few years. As of now he dont have much interest in dancing around kind of things. That particular thing you can definitely notice and also he is aged. After 40 + you cant expect the same he was in the earlier days.
  
  There are lots of songs to list.
  
  No need for listing. I had come across some Choreographers(Raghuram, Sundaram, Kala, etc) and the Lady stars acted with Kamal and other from Radha, Ambika, Radhika,Silk Smita, etc.. etc.. those all who said as per them Kamal is the best and also it is quite difficult to match him while dancing.
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Wed Sep 5 2:49:39 2007.

  joe wrote:

  I know the classical dance in kathalan you are refering ..It is nowhere near kamal's salangai oli dance ..Nobody denies PD is best in dance ..He is extrodinary in speed and different steps ..but Still ,kamal is best in elegance in dance ..My most favois kamal's dance in punnahai mannan for the theme music.

  
  
  Yes, it is one of my favorites.
  
  In Indiran Chandran, at the beginning of "Nooru nooru mtham..." song, his expressions and movements on the bench was a craze among my friends (GFs too).
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Wed Sep 5 3:00:16 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth.

  
  
  May be he is using a dupe for dances like some other "stars" using dupes for their stunts.
  So though Kamal is a pathetic dancer, we get a feel that he only is doing the dances.
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Sep 5 3:01:56 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  NOV wrote: All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth. What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated. Could not accept this. I consider u are comparing his dance in the past few years. As of now he dont have much interest in dancing around kind of things. That particular thing you can definitely notice and also he is aged. After 40 + you cant expect the same he was in the earlier days. There are lots of songs to list. No need for listing. I had come across some Choreographers(Raghuram, Sundaram, Kala, etc) and the Lady stars acted with Kamal and other from Radha, Ambika, Radhika,Silk Smita, etc.. etc.. those all who said as per them Kamal is the best and also it is quite difficult to match him while dancing.

  
  
  Thiru,
  
  Sila appattamAna, theLivAna, uNmaiyAna vishayangaLukku viLakkam kodukka muyaRchippathE 'blasphemy' thAn KH's dancing skills be it GRACE, expressions, body language, timing ellAmE beyond questions, doubts and discussions. The entire IFI knows that. Onnu reNDu pEru othukka virumbAma irukkalAm but that cannot undermine the obvious
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:11:40 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking..

  
  
  Grace is where he is leading compare to others,IMO.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:45:27 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  I consider u are comparing his dance in the past few years.

  Nope. I meant all these while.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:48:05 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  So though Kamal is a pathetic dancer, we get a feel that he only is doing the dances.

  no, Kamal is not pathetic.
  
  as a person who is determined to excel in everything he does, he also works hard at dancing - it doesnt come naturally to him.
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:49:47 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  breadpuli wrote: So though Kamal is a pathetic dancer, we get a feel that he only is doing the dances. no, Kamal is not pathetic. as a person who is determined to excel in everything he does, he also works hard at dancing - it doesnt come naturally to him.

  
  
  NOV,
  Vitta kamal-kku nadippu natural-a varalla ,but trying hard-nnu sollveenga pola
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:50:39 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Grace is where he is leading compare to others,IMO.

  grace = fluidity. dont you find exageration in his movements?
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:51:31 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  joe wrote: Grace is where he is leading compare to others,IMO. grace = fluidity. dont you find exageration in his movements?

  
  
  Not at all.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:52:43 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Vitta kamal-kku nadippu natural-a varalla ,but trying hard-nnu sollveenga pola

  I have never denied that he is an actor par excellence.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:53:50 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Not at all.

  one day when I get the chance, I shall sit with you and show you what I mean - the best example will begin with Salangai Oli itself.
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:54:46 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  joe wrote: Not at all. one day when I get the chance, I shall sit with you and show you what I mean - the best example will begin with Salangai Oli itself.

  
  
  OK
  
  

• From: sriranga on Wed Sep 5 4:07:59 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  I have become a messenger who ports the Orkut Kamal fan mesages to forumhub! but still cant stop copying good posts like the one below.. Quote: 1 Sakalakalavallavan – There is a sequence in the ‘Ilamai Itho Itho’ song where he goes back and forth wearing roller blades. This was incredible coupled with his expression while doing that 2 Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey – This movie had several stand out steps – o His dancing and facial expressions in the song ‘Varudu Varudu’ is worth millions. He transforms this local song to a classic level purely with his facial expressions while maintaining fast paced movements 3 Vikram – Again, this movie had many great sequences but the one step that stands out is where he jumps up and kicks his feet together in the title song. This step was repeated in many of his latter movies but it started here 4 Kaadhala Kaadhala – He shows his superiority over a much acclaimed dancer like Prabhu Deva that “class will always win” in the song ‘Kaasu mela’. Again there is none to match his skills in dancing for songs of that genre cheers kannan

  
  
  1. In illamai itho itho song , i liked the steps under the lights too.
  
  2. In varudu varudu song, though kamal is good, bubbly radha outscored him in some expression and dance.
  
  3. In vikram, the step comes in en jodi manja kuruvi song with whistles.
  
  4. no comments.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Sep 5 4:29:16 2007.

  One of the most natural dancers to 'grace' the Tamil screen.
  In fact in later films like Kadhala Kadhala he is able to hold his own in the company of a more talented dancer like Prabhu Deva, simply because he has that grace in his dance that Prabhudeva lacks.
  
  Have a look at rum-bum-bum from MMKR. Not a very demanding dance.In on of the sequences (where he is wearing a big hat), Kushboo and Kamal have the same steps. Kushboo (never a big - no pun intended- dancer) is 'correct' in her steps, that is all. OTOH Kamal is absolutely graceful.
  
  The only criticism I have is his expressions when he dances are exaggerated and he is never casually dancing. One can notice this in movies like Nammavar, where he dances 'casually' many times but the way his mouth is set and his expressions are, look very conscious. Anything but casual. Maybe it is the classical training, where it is important for the face to be highly expressive.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Sep 5 5:10:21 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  One of the most natural dancers to 'grace' the Tamil screen.

  
  
  
  
  
  

  Quote:

  In fact in later films like Kadhala Kadhala he is able to hold his own in the company of a more talented dancer like Prabhu Deva, simply because he has that grace in his dance that Prabhudeva lacks.

  
  
  Super and Even in simple sequences like - kAdhalA kAdhalA kAdhalil thavikkirEn in Avvai Shanmugi, enna solli ennai cholla in Thenali ( his facial expressions and lip movements for those lines 'jannal kaatrAgi vaa... ) the funny sequence in AazhwaarpEtta ALudA and kalakka pOvathu yAru in VRMBBS. Can go on and on to talk about his GRACE .
  
  

  Quote:

  Have a look at rum-bum-bum from MMKR. Not a very demanding dance.In on of the sequences (where he is wearing a big hat), Kushboo and Kamal have the same steps. Kushboo (never a big - no pun intended- dancer) is 'correct' in her steps, that is all. OTOH Kamal is absolutely graceful.

  
  
  Spot on ! This is the song that immediately came on to my mind when I saw that list posted by Sakala. How come they missed it. Also 'mArugO mArugO', and KAlakAlamAga vAzhum'
  
  

  Quote:

  The only criticism I have is his expressions when he dances are exaggerated and he is never casually dancing. One can notice this in movies like Nammavar, where he dances 'casually' many times but the way his mouth is set and his expressions are, look very conscious. Anything but casual. Maybe it is the classical training, where it is important for the face to be highly expressive.

  
  
  But then again he is criticised for Salangai Oli
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 5:10:48 2007.

  Nammavar dancing in Salangai Oli - Naatha vinothangaL
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6VCxXno848
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 5:56:48 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Thiru, Sila appattamAna, theLivAna, uNmaiyAna vishayangaLukku viLakkam kodukka muyaRchippathE 'blasphemy' thAn KH's dancing skills be it GRACE, expressions, body language, timing ellAmE beyond questions, doubts and discussions. The entire IFI knows that. Onnu reNDu pEru othukka virumbAma irukkalAm but that cannot undermine the obvious

  
  Roshan,
  Having a tough time deciding which is a bigger comedy,
  1. SPB-ku bass voice illa
  OR
  2. Kamal is not a graceful dancer
  
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 5 5:59:01 2007.

  Oh My Movie God!
  
  Kamal lacks Grace? Enna Nov ithu?
  
  The best dance of now, as I see it, is Prabhu Deva. But he lacks the grace that Kamal has.
  
  I have my own misgivings about some of Kamal's works, and we have discussed it, but dancing is never his downside. It's graceful and is very creative. You know this, because the same choreographers have worked with other actors and they are not as creative....or as graceful.
  
  I have a lady friend, a Baratha Natyam dancer, who agrees that he is good, Baratha Natyam or not.
  
  I know you are quite unpredictable Nov, but this...
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 6:05:36 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  The best dancer of now, as I see it, is Prabhu Deva. But he lacks the grace that Kamal has.

  
  I think everyone agrees on that
  
  

  groucho070 wrote:

  I have a lady friend, a Baratha Natyam dancer, who agrees that he is good, Baratha Natyam or not.

  
  idha thaan naan mudhallaye sonnen, solravanga sollanumnu...
  
  

• From: omega on Wed Sep 5 7:53:38 2007.

  IMO it is an absolute blunder to say that KH lacks grace in dance sequences. So far he is my favourite dancer in movies atleast. It comes very natural to him without doubt. In those days (90's) it was the special item in his movies. I mean his fans would just wait for that one special song where he would be display his new steps in his jigina dress (again that outfit never suited any other actor).
  I can agree a little bit on his face expressions being little overboard expecially in his classical numbers (salangai oli), but I have enjoyed every bit of it.
  
  The only complain (for salangai oli) was that he didn't remove hair (like moustache, underarms etc etc) what all classical performers are supposed to (???).
  
  I can agree that Prabhu Deva is a good dancer, but his choreography suits other actors better than himself (expecially KH & Chiru). Remember he did only one number in Minsara Kanave (the award winning Vennilave) & others were handled by Saroj Khan....
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Wed Sep 5 7:59:16 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  I dont want to compare PD with Kamal especially in classical dance. PD and classical dance, to me is blasephmy All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth. What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated. Having said all these, I do not consider "dancing" as a part of "acting." So, we cannot and should not judge an actor on his dancing skills.

  
  
  what do we call this??
  
  in virumandi-- kombula poova suthi song, he will make just one step..athu grace..
  i dont know, which grace, our NOV is talking abt..
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Wed Sep 5 8:03:00 2007.

  joe,
  
  i also love that theme music in punnagai mannan..
  
  end credits poduum, pothu oru bit varum paarunga...
  
  
  
  the music and dance will be in 100% sync..
  
  
  i cant express that feeling in words..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Sep 5 12:50:42 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  i dont know, which grace, our NOV is talking abt..

  
  
  "sirichu sirichu vandha cheena thana doi" paduna grace-a irukkumo
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Wed Sep 5 12:50:59 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  joe, i also love that theme music in punnagai mannan.. end credits poduum, pothu oru bit varum paarunga... the music and dance will be in 100% sync.. i cant express that feeling in words..

  
  
  aana antha music-le originality illaye
  antha dance-le fluency illaye
  antha feeling-kku credibility illaye
  ennoda intha postukku font sariya varaliye
  
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 20:26:06 2007.

  thanks to everyone for your views, both sarcastic and emotional.
  lets move on.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Sep 6 0:08:02 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search=
  
  Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Thu Sep 6 0:13:46 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  The only criticism I have is his expressions when he dances are exaggerated and he is never casually dancing. One can notice this in movies like Nammavar, where he dances 'casually' many times but the way his mouth is set and his expressions are, look very conscious. Anything but casual. Maybe it is the classical training, where it is important for the face to be highly expressive.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 6 1:42:42 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene

  
  Feddy,
  You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Sep 6 2:04:08 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  On another note, I just uploaded the scene from Virumaandi, where Peykaaman brings the murder witness to Kothalan's house. The scene starts with Kothalan trimming his nostril hair in the mirror and Annalatchumi barging in and picking a fight with Kamal. As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co. Also, notice how the villagers in the background nod in understanding when Peykaaman asks the witness to come inside the house. So, it is a open secret in the village that everyone and everything is manipulated in the case.

  kannan AhA...pramAdham...kavidhai kavidhai The dialogues are exceptional too.
  

  kannannn wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)

  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 6 2:07:50 2007.

  PR,
  neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku..
  Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Sep 6 2:10:59 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  PR, neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku.. Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..

  
  
  
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Sep 6 2:18:18 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  PR, neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku.. Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..

  
  
  PR enna wish panninaaru? Konjam viLakkama sollapadatha
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Sep 6 2:18:39 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  PR, neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku.. Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..

  A couple of weeks ago I saw a Lagaan, collector's edition DVD in Landmark for Rs.2000 ! Collect panRa aLavukku padam edukkura orE aaL summA ukkAndhirukkumbOdhu, idhellAm ungalukkE romba over-A theriyalaiyAnnu thOnichchu.
  
  This is great news ! Reservations on for the Rajkamal omnibus ! Naan oru kercheip pOttu vaikkaNum.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 6 2:25:08 2007.

  joe wrote:

  PR enna wish panninaaru? Konjam viLakkama sollapadatha

  
  Joe,
  PR has expressed a few times in this hub his preference to see Aandavar direct himself rather than acting for someone else..
  
  Heard that Sir is considering a film for Raajkamal on a first copy basis, produced by some other house.
  Remember, "considering" thaan, innum oorjidham aaganum...
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Sep 6 2:30:51 2007.

  Oh ! I thought you were referring to the Rajkamal's DVDs.
  This is even greater news. That is his future (ref. my avtar) and as Kannan just said:" He is the best....period".
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Sep 6 2:33:40 2007.

  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 6 3:31:19 2007.

  appo Dr.Kamal nnu marubadiyum pottukkalaam!
  
  

• From: great on Thu Sep 6 11:41:04 2007.

  If it happens then it will be a great treat for us
  
  I would like to see a village based subject like devar Mahan / Virumandi with Isaiyaraja
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Sep 6 11:53:36 2007.

  Multiple chopping scenes ........ That video doesnt have that infamous dialogue "vidatha vidatha engappana vettu" which follows that chopping scene
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene Feddy, You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Thu Sep 6 13:33:45 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Multiple chopping scenes ........ That video doesnt have that infamous dialogue "vidatha vidatha engappana vettu" which follows that chopping scene crajkumar_be wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene Feddy, You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV

  
  
  It's my favorite too
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 6 14:08:42 2007.

  Again in viru, there were many nuances in the repeat scenes during Virumaandi's POV. one thing i remember is, the end of panchayat scene where a slipper is thrown and it hits kothalan. and the sliper is shown for a moment, in the next scene following the discussions by kothalan and co.
  
  the same scene when narrated by kamal, the panchayat scene ends too fast, with kamal narrating his feelings and the slipper is thrown up....now it doesn's falls and hits on kothalan, instead it falls [into] the next followinf scene itself...
  
  what a conectivity! its a very small thing bon the whole screenplay but i cant stop wondering on kamal's imagination, well for nth time...
  
  in the folowing scene, he fights with annalakshmi where he stylishly balances a "sarakku" glass on the bull's back
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 6 14:13:29 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  ..........the slipper is thrown up....now it doesn's falls and hits on kothalan, instead it falls [into] the next following scene itself...

  this teknik sparkles me to recall and discuss about kamal's connecting styles for different scenes, i mean, the way one scene transforms to the next one..
  
  
  remember the "spiral round" shown in Black and White movies, to indicate the end of a scene...and also kamal's nakkal on jumping into flashback scenes, in Tenaali
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Sep 6 14:49:29 2007.

  
  

  littlemaster1982 wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: Multiple chopping scenes ........ That video doesnt have that infamous dialogue "vidatha vidatha engappana vettu" which follows that chopping scene crajkumar_be wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene Feddy, You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV It's my favorite too

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Sep 9 6:59:00 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1
  
  
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Sep 9 13:04:19 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1

  
  SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Mon Sep 10 2:16:10 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of.

  
  
  Yes, PR. Funny how SRK thinks his role is a cameo (Dude! Cameo is what Kamal did in Thillu mullu, or Magalir Mattum.) Is this an indication that some actors think that if you are not the 'hero' of the movie, then whatever part you play is a cameo?
  
  As for Rani M and Vasundhra Das, I hope somewhere down the line, they'll realise that the roles they played in this movie are 2 of the strongest women's roles in recent Indian cinema. Sure, they may be more comfortable with their Shakalakas and glamourous Swiss filmed solos, but I hope that sometime in the future, they'll mention Hey Ram as an important film in their acting careers.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Mon Sep 10 3:06:02 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of. Yes, PR. Funny how SRK thinks his role is a cameo (Dude! Cameo is what Kamal did in Thillu mullu, or Magalir Mattum.) Is this an indication that some actors think that if you are not the 'hero' of the movie, then whatever part you play is a cameo? As for Rani M and Vasundhra Das, I hope somewhere down the line, they'll realise that the roles they played in this movie are 2 of the strongest women's roles in recent Indian cinema. Sure, they may be more comfortable with their Shakalakas and glamourous Swiss filmed solos, but I hope that sometime in the future, they'll mention Hey Ram as an important film in their acting careers.

  
  
  Kumar, I still remember your comments on Hema Malini
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Sep 10 3:13:07 2007.

  SRK 'the ham godown' did his best in "Hey! Ram". "Cameo" is just a slip of lip. Or maybe because, he is the badshah of bolly, and couldn't afford to play a 'character' over a crowd pleasing role. I guess he might even call CDI a cameo (which was again one of the better roles in recent times).
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Sep 10 3:26:02 2007.

  Kannannn,
  
  What a scene!!!! The dissection was brilliant too.
  
  Just to add on Amjad: SRK looks to have missed the point of playing that role. Couldn't blame him. I suppose it's valued as just another(stereotyped) Caricature of a Muslim. The resonance, and the significance of that role(and characterization) is sorely missed out by many.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Sep 10 3:27:03 2007.

  Thilak4life,
  First of all, the hub Aandavar fans association has issued a show-cause notice to you. Please explain as to why action should not be taken against you for your absence
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Sep 10 4:14:31 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. .

  
  
  Nah, not from the man who brilliantly parodies the very idea in a throwaway piece of dialogue in MMKR.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Mon Sep 10 20:53:00 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Kumar wrote: Prabhu Ram wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of. Yes, PR. Funny how SRK thinks his role is a cameo (Dude! Cameo is what Kamal did in Thillu mullu, or Magalir Mattum.) Is this an indication that some actors think that if you are not the 'hero' of the movie, then whatever part you play is a cameo? As for Rani M and Vasundhra Das, I hope somewhere down the line, they'll realise that the roles they played in this movie are 2 of the strongest women's roles in recent Indian cinema. Sure, they may be more comfortable with their Shakalakas and glamourous Swiss filmed solos, but I hope that sometime in the future, they'll mention Hey Ram as an important film in their acting careers. Kumar, I still remember your comments on Hema Malini

  
  
  You mean the one about her glamour solo! Actually I remember PR bringing up Hema Malini's 'dissatisfaction' with her role in the film. And I also read somewhere that she didn't like the way she was 'treated' (like a "junior" artist).
  
  *Sigh* Whatever.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 11 6:14:04 2007.

  A post by someone called Salvador in Orkut Aandvara community:
  
  

  Quote:

  Kamal Haasan is the boldest actor in Indian film industry. One particular aspect of this boldness is revealed in the role of women in his movies. Most movies in India try to show women in black and white and not in complex characterisation. Kamal's movies, perhaps deliberately, involves complex women. Thus Kamal has played a variety of roles in which his relations, women have chequered lives. Thus, if Saranya is married despite being from a brothel in Nayagan, Kamal's mother in Gunaa, his daughter in Mahanadhi and his sister in Arangetram are forced into the world's oldest business for tragic reasons.

  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 11 6:34:46 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  A post by someone called Salvador in Orkut Aandvara community: Quote: Kamal Haasan is the boldest actor in Indian film industry. .........................Thus, if Saranya is married despite being from a brothel in Nayagan, Kamal's mother in Gunaa, his daughter in Mahanadhi and his sister in Arangetram are forced into the world's oldest business for tragic reasons.

  There was this programme, Kamal hit songs, which was sung by himself, and this was aiered by jaya tv, i think durig MX release period. Ramesh aravind was with him on stage. the idea is to bring other singers like spb\janaki to sing songs and kamal was praising those singers, eac time before their song....then kamal himself sung a solo which was not a cinema song...it was based on some kuppathu tune, just 4 lines and he uses the same tune and sing with different lyrics...written by himself.
  
  at one point, kamal singed with some lyrics which sounded like supporting, ot atleas not opposing prostitution...lines were like"Veedu illaathavan hotelukku povaan" at this point, ramesh arvind was smiling lightly[i think, that was an act of laughing against kamals that very point]
  
  i support this view of kamal 200%
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 11 6:59:04 2007.

  Arangetram - his sister
  Moonram Pirai - he loves sridevi[you left this!]
  Nayagan - his wife
  Mahanathi - his daughter
  Guna - his mother[runs]& Rosy [does]
  
  For mahanathi, he went to Sonaa Kaachi, and shot there in realty, it was not sets. he even had a small dinner with the girls there, as said by him. he always has a sad respect[sympathy??] on those womens.
  
  great human
  
  

• From: Roshan on Tue Sep 11 8:29:18 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Arangetram - his sister Moonram Pirai - he loves sridevi[you left this!] Nayagan - his wife Mahanathi - his daughter Guna - his mother[runs]& Rosy [does] For mahanathi, he went to Sonaa Kaachi, and shot there in realty, it was not sets. he even had a small dinner with the girls there, as said by him. he always has a sad respect[sympathy??] on those womens. great human

  
  
  In an interview I remember him mentioning that those women had asked him "neenga ethukku inga vanthirukeenga? ungala mAthiri pirabalangaL pagal nErathula inga vara mAttAngaLE" ( I dont know which emotion(s) should I input here)
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Sep 11 9:20:20 2007.

  Tangentially related
  
  A sequence from the unnai naan aRivEn song
  
  Guna's mother (S.Varalakshmi) is devoutly praying to God, chanting something, squatting on the floor next to the idol.
  There is someone at the door. If you remember the house, her room is straight up the stairs from the front door. She doesn't get up, just leans to her right to see who is there. (We see from behind her as well as from downstairs.) One of the girls downstairs answers the door and takes the 'client' to her room. Business as usual. She leans back to proceed with her poojai. Fantastic.
  
  Is is just Kamal's trademark potshot at religion ? Maybe, but it is a whole lot more too. Religion is just a way the old woman seeking solace. She is not in the least disturbed at that moment by the mismatch between her piety and her 'immoral' trade. Is it perhaps because the immorality is itself the viewer's opinion ?
  Of course she is dissed with her lot. On at least on occassion she blames her deserter husband, son and fate. But her resignation is so strong that she is completely inured.
  
  The viewer is in no position to evaluate if the resignation itself is something to be empathized with. Because the tragic nature of the resignation just whacks the viewer in the head in that small (3-5 second sequence).
  
  Watch and get overwhelmed, think later because he just messes your judgement at the time of viewing and gets you to feel for the characters. What a master film maker
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Sep 11 21:19:37 2007.

  My search got over
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1071016032818544779&q=aboorva&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5
  
  

• From: ThalaNass on Tue Sep 11 21:31:38 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  My search got over http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1071016032818544779&q=aboorva&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

  
  
  wowwwwww... thanks a lot Feddy..
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 3:04:50 2007.

  And I thought I made a profound point bringing in that piece of dialogue from MMKR!
  
  Jokes apart, on "Guna," I think it is a severely underrated film and very even (for the lack of a better word) in terms of the morality that's depicted in it, more even than many of Kamal's classics. The film can't just be viewed as a "good vs. evil" story in any sense, even though one has often encountered praise for the film for its depiction of the "pure love" of Guna and so on.
  
  The protagonist here is simply a madman (or God, depends on the way you see him) while all those around him are mere mortals, not at all beyond "corruption" or "sins," and most of them use him for various purposes. The characterization of JK (Sharad Saxena) borders on being one-dimensionally "evil" though, but again SPB makes a "fair case" (!) for him too when discussing the temple-theft-cum-kidnap case with his colleague.
  
  At the same time, it is also never apologetic about any of Guna's deeds. The man is mad, it makes no fuss of it. He abets his uncle in a temple theft when effectively persuaded to do so, he kills a policeman by mistake and shows no remorse whatsoever. There's simply no moral to take home, so to say.
  
  I also differ from many others who dismiss Kamal's performance here as over the top. To deem it as over-the-top is to simply overlook the wonderfully understated moments. The closest similar example I can give is Vikram's performance in "Pithamagan" (even though, in comparision, the latter performance falls short in terms of spontaneity and nuances). That performance is criticized for its over-the-top-ness too, but one has only to see those moments -- the way Siththan stares out of the train window trying to catch the view from one end to another, or the way he is miffed when everyone laughs at him when he is made to "aavi-pidichufy" and he forces himself out of the blanket. Okay, both these moments are from the song "Ilangaathu Veesudhe," which only shows my love for the picturisation of this song, the way it conveys a range of emotions of the various characters in the film. One of the best song-picturisations of this decade. Pardon the digression.
  
  P.S.:- This is, of course, not to say that a film like "Mahanadhi" which does have "some morals to take home" is inferior. In fact, "Mahanadhi" as a film is superior in my books (and possibly my single favourite Tamil film).
  
  

• From: Kumar on Wed Sep 12 3:38:12 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Is is just Kamal's trademark potshot at religion ? Maybe, but it is a whole lot more too. Religion is just a way the old woman seeking solace. She is not in the least disturbed at that moment by the mismatch between her piety and her 'immoral' trade. Is it perhaps because the immorality is itself the viewer's opinion ? Of course she is dissed with her lot. On at least on occassion she blames her deserter husband, son and fate. But her resignation is so strong that she is completely inured. The viewer is in no position to evaluate if the resignation itself is something to be empathized with. Because the tragic nature of the resignation just whacks the viewer in the head in that small (3-5 second sequence). Watch and get overwhelmed, think later because he just messes your judgement at the time of viewing and gets you to feel for the characters. What a master film maker

  
  
  Great observation PR.
  
  And this is where I think Kamal stands out from the crowd; his characters are not merely black or white, or straight forward. I like the fact that he creates a history for his characters, even if they appear for a short while. It makes them more believable and the audience can relate to them or aspects of their behaviour. And to boot, characters who may be stereotyped elsewhere are ' humanised' (Guna's mum), and like you said, he "messes with your judgement".
  
  And continuing on the subject of women, a few people I know were shocked at Annalaskhmi's death and the violence meted out on her by her own kin in Virumaandi. Some viewers saw this as an insult to women; but I thought that scene culminates everything that can go wrong in an overly male dominant society, and in this case, household. This IS abuse, and this scene is meant to make us squirm in our seats. It IS meant to make us feel uncomfortable. It IS meant to shock us. And it IS meant to knock some sense into our heads. To be honest, I am quite thankful that Kamal made this scene, and Annalakshmi's suicide, as graphic as he did. It's a far cry from movies which portray abuse against women as normal, or even worse, comedic. (I really detest scenes when the hero slaps the heroine for some reason, but because she is head over heals in love with him, she keeps thinking about the slap as a romantic gesture and this leads to a dream duet scene. I also have a bone to pick with Bala for a scene in Pithamagan when Laila gets repeatedly slapped by her male relative, and this is made to look like a comedy scene. I'm not happy, Bala .)
  
  And to those naysayers who said that Virumaandi was 'too violent', I wish to say this:
  
  PONGGADA!!!!
  
  9.5 out of 10 Tamil movies have fights. 80% of these fights are unnecessary and are usually done for claps and whistles. We have been so de-sensitised to violence because it's been portrayed as heroic, stylish, funny, cool, etc. OK, go ahead and enjoy these fight scenes; but when violence is portrayed as it is, don't go all moralistic and call a movie like Virumaandi unnecessarily violent.
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Wed Sep 12 3:41:16 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  Great observation PR. And this is where I think Kamal stands out from the crowd; his characters are not merely black or white, or straight forward. I like the fact that he creates a history for his characters, even if they appear for a short while. It makes them more believable and the audience can relate to them or aspects of their behaviour. And to boot, characters who may be stereotyped elsewhere are ' humanised' (Guna's mum), and like you said, he "messes with your judgement". And continuing on the subject of women, a few people I know were shocked at Annalaskhmi's death and the violence meted out on her by her own kin in Virumaandi. Some viewers saw this as an insult to women; but I thought that scene culminates everything that can go wrong in an overly male dominant society, and in this case, household. This IS abuse, and this scene is meant to make us squirm in our seats. It IS meant to make us feel uncomfortable. It IS meant to shock us. And it IS meant to knock some sense into our heads. To be honest, I am quite thankful that Kamal made this scene, and Annalakshmi's suicide, as graphic as he did. It's a far cry from movies which portray abuse against women as normal, or even worse, comedic. (I really detest scenes when the hero slaps the heroine for some reason, but because she is head over heals in love with him, she keeps thinking about the slap as a romantic gesture and this leads to a dream duet scene. I also have a bone to pick with Bala for a scene in Pithamagan when Laila gets repeatedly slapped by her male relative, and this is made to look like a comedy scene. I'm not happy, Bala .) And to those naysayers who said that Virumaandi was 'too violent', I wish to say this: PONGGADA!!!! 9.5 out of 10 Tamil movies have fights. 80% of these fights are unnecessary and are usually done for claps and whistles. We have been so de-sensitised to violence because it's been portrayed as heroic, stylish, funny, cool, etc. OK, go ahead and enjoy these fight scenes; but when violence is portrayed as it is, don't go all moralistic and call a movie like Virumaandi unnecessarily violent.

  
  
  Superb post Kumar. Esp. abt the violence factor
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 12 5:17:24 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  And I thought I made a profound point bringing in that piece of dialogue from MMKR! Jokes apart, on "Guna," I think it is a severely underrated film and very even (for the lack of a better word) in terms of the morality that's depicted in it, more even than many of Kamal's classics. The film can't just be viewed as a "good vs. evil" story in any sense, even though one has often encountered praise for the film for its depiction of the "pure love" of Guna and so on. The protagonist here is simply a madman (or God, depends on the way you see him) while all those around him are mere mortals, not at all beyond "corruption" or "sins," and most of them use him for various purposes. The characterization of JK (Sharad Saxena) borders on being one-dimensionally "evil" though, but again SPB makes a "fair case" (!) for him too when discussing the temple-theft-cum-kidnap case with his colleague. At the same time, it is also never apologetic about any of Guna's deeds. The man is mad, it makes no fuss of it. He abets his uncle in a temple theft when effectively persuaded to do so, he kills a policeman by mistake and shows no remorse whatsoever. There's simply no moral to take home, so to say. I also differ from many others who dismiss Kamal's performance here as over the top. To deem it as over-the-top is to simply overlook the wonderfully understated moments. The closest similar example I can give is Vikram's performance in "Pithamagan" (even though, in comparision, the latter performance falls short in terms of spontaneity and nuances). That performance is criticized for its over-the-top-ness too, but one has only to see those moments -- the way Siththan stares out of the train window trying to catch the view from one end to another, or the way he is miffed when everyone laughs at him when he is made to "aavi-pidichufy" and he forces himself out of the blanket. Okay, both these moments are from the song "Ilangaathu Veesudhe," which only shows my love for the picturisation of this song, the way it conveys a range of emotions of the various characters in the film. One of the best song-picturisations of this decade. Pardon the digression. P.S.:- This is, of course, not to say that a film like "Mahanadhi" which does have "some morals to take home" is inferior. In fact, "Mahanadhi" as a film is superior in my books (and possibly my single favourite Tamil film).

  
  
  Welcome to the hub
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 5:33:18 2007.

  Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now.
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Wed Sep 12 5:39:31 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now.

  
  Idhu aetho oru "Koottu Sathi" maari theriyuthae
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 12 5:50:28 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now.

  
  
  Couldn't get it! I don't get the SRK connection!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 12 5:54:24 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  equanimus wrote: Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now. Idhu aetho oru "Koottu Sathi" maari theriyuthae

  
  
  
  
  I know someone who writes like Equanimus, If it's the same person, then I'm even more glad and excited to read his posts...
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 6:26:12 2007.

  Ayyo, iruvaththanjaa? Dha... PattaaNi, namma reNdu perum bhai-bhai-i, brothers-u. Aaraayira rooba dhaan vaanginen, nadagam...
  
  Delivered with such timing that I can't match, so pardon me if it comes off as rather puerile.
  
  P.S.:- Well, Thilak, yeah, I think I am the one who you think I am. Damn, am I that predictable?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Sep 12 7:12:05 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Ayyo, iruvaththanjaa? Dha... PattaaNi, namma reNdu perum bhai-bhai-i, brothers-u. Aaraayira rooba dhaan vaanginen, nadagam...

  irunvathanjundriyE
  
  tIk hai aarAyira rooba ippo tharAn..unnees aayiram appuram tharAn.
  unneesA ?
  arrE..pathambOdhAyiram
  oh ! hindi...
  
  A warm welcome equanimus. Nice post about Guna and ditto about Mahanadhi. Sithan is not very popular in these parts, glad to have company !
  
  If Guna is mentioned, can Kumar be far away and if Kumar is here, can Virumaandi be far away Nice post about 'violence' as it is. Disagree with the point about thePithamagan scene you mention. In the jail, when Laila and her father visit Surya, her father keeps hitting her. She is least bit perturbed. Now before this is interpreted as resignation, she retorts with the "loosAppA nee", which is becoming a household catchphrase. She is far far far from 'oppressed'.
  And even if you charge him with making "light work" of domestic violence, this was a very true depiction: showing it "as is" including the humour.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 7:49:38 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  I really detest scenes when the hero slaps the heroine for some reason, but because she is head over heals in love with him, she keeps thinking about the slap as a romantic gesture and this leads to a dream duet scene.

  
  
  Kumar,
  This is entirely an aside note, I definitely concur with you about the way these kind of scenes are generally conceived. But, the insensitive usage of this very same situation over many, many films only shows that it's a huge cliché, and that it's depicted in a listlessly one-dimensional (and fake) manner in those films; not that it's a fake "feeling" (such a corny word to use, I agree!) or emotion as such.
  
  Well, the very fact that this kind of feeling of a woman for her man is even portrayed (how much ever insensitively and listlessly) in stories/films tempts me to think that it could actually be representing the reality of our society (of the "Tamil woman," if you will) in some way, at least more real than what you seem to suggest or assume.
  
  Of course, I am playing the devil's advocate here. I am not defending the hordes of such scenes that we get to see in Tamil films, but trying to discern the "truths" of the society without dwelling into the the "rights" and "wrongs" in showing such a thing.
  
  That's the key thing about "Virumaandi" scene too, like you say. Whether it drives home a point (it sure would have evoked a horrific reaction in everyone) or not, what is significant here is that it's also real, very uneasily so.
  
  

  Kumar wrote:

  I also have a bone to pick with Bala for a scene in Pithamagan when Laila gets repeatedly slapped by her male relative, and this is made to look like a comedy scene. I'm not happy, Bala

  
  
  That scene in "Pithamagan" didn't evoke that kind of feeling to me at all. Yes, it does play out as a comedy (it's insanely funny, if you ask me; Bala has a very good sense of humour). But, the reaction of Laila's father is rather "normal" even in case of an upper middle-class, rural upbringing, considering the extents to which she invites trouble in the film. On an unrelated note, I'm probably the only one who thought Laila was a riot here (no fan of her, dislike her even in the most appreciated performances like the one in "Ullam Ketkume").
  
  Since I got off an a tangent to talk about depiction of violence, this can also be seen as my defence of the depiction of violence in the films of Bala (whom yours truly is a big fan of). The violence in his films doesn't drive home a point (leave aside a moral), but has a deep resonance with the perpetrator (much more than the victim). Nowhere is it more overt than in the climax of "Pithamagan." The ganja businessman is long dead, and we still see Siththan just ravaging over him.
  
  To me, Bala's sensitivity towards his characters is unquestionable. The man has shown great conviction and sensitivity in etching down his characters. Be it Abitha's dad in "Sethu," sitting squat, hands folded, as Sivakumar advises her to agree for a marriage; or the "poli" Saamiyaar in "Pithamagan," Siththan-Sakthi's jail companion, evidently convicted for molestation of a girl, who not only makes friends with Sakthi but even has a tear to drop when Siththan returns back to the cell after being beaten to pulp! (Show me one other writer-director from the new crop whose supporting characters are so sensitively depicted.) Bala's concern for the "rights" and "wrongs" in a film for its most part is restricted to the "rights" and "wrongs" of his characters.
  
  That said, Bala isn't shy about saying that eventually the good wins over the evil (the "Adadaa" song comes to mind), like Roger Ebert put it in his review of "The Unforgiven." In this sense, he comes closest to Kamal Haasan. I call it the Mahabharat-like quality in a story.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 12 8:07:35 2007.

  Welcome equanimus
  
  Attam sUdu pidikkidhu
  
  Superb posts Kumar/PR/Equanimus
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Wed Sep 12 8:22:42 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Welcome equanimus Attam sUdu pidikkidhu Superb posts Kumar/PR/Equanimus

  
  
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 9:00:13 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  equanimus wrote: Ayyo, iruvaththanjaa? Dha... PattaaNi, namma reNdu perum bhai-bhai-i, brothers-u. Aaraayira rooba dhaan vaanginen, nadagam... irunvathanjundriyE tIk hai aarAyira rooba ippo tharAn..unnees aayiram appuram tharAn. unneesA ? arrE..pathambOdhAyiram oh ! hindi...

  
  Absolutely, Prabhu Ram. The way he goes, "oh, oh... Indhi!" (or, "achchA kaRuvAdu baai!"; or, "milk bikkee!") cracks me up every time. So much that I use these lines out of context in general conversion. And, yeah that's how it goes... "nAdagam flop aavum-nu engalukku theriyumA... IruvathanjundriyE ArAyiraththa!" The scene ends with the trademark, longdrawn laugh of Raju.
  
  On that note, I categorically desist the common notion of MMKR as "nice, family comedy" (as a compliment, of course), the context here being the offhanded piece of dialogue parodying communal harmony. In no other "family comedy," do you see a man and his father vying with each other to peep into a man's bedroom while spying on him, or a man giggle uncontrollably (the trademark grin of Kameshwaran here!) as a lady, who is actually his brother's lover, fall over him on a sofa!
  Of course, it doesn't overtly play out as a comedy that dwells with the unspeakable, but then, it hardly conforms to any restrictive or bourgeois "standards."
  The canvass of the film is huge. Masterful slapstick and hilarious lines, wonderful performances and exceptional mise-en-scène, everything about the movie stands out.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Disagree with the point about thePithamagan scene you mention. In the jail, when Laila and her father visit Surya, her father keeps hitting her. She is least bit perturbed. Now before this is interpreted as resignation, she retorts with the "loosAppA nee", which is becoming a household catchphrase. She is far far far from 'oppressed'. And even if you charge him with making "light work" of domestic violence, this was a very true depiction: showing it "as is" including the humour.

  
  
  True, I agree with you here as well. The line "loosAppA nee!" is part of the folklore already. (Please correct me if I am wrong, the expression "es aaradhu" also became a part of the colloquial lingo, after "Sethu.") Laila has a lot of such funny lines in "Pithamagan." In general, Bala came up with some of the most obscenely funny scenes in the recent past in "Pithamagan"!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 12:25:26 2007.

  And, thanks for the welcome, folks. For quite some time, I've been reading some wonderful discussions here!
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 3:44:16 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  If Guna is mentioned, can Kumar be far away and if Kumar is here, can Virumaandi be far away .

  
  
  It's official; I'm so predictable.
  
  
  
  

  Quote:

  She is least bit perturbed. Now before this is interpreted as resignation, she retorts with the "loosAppA nee", which is becoming a household catchphrase. She is far far far from 'oppressed'.

  
  
  I suppose my comments were mainly spurred on by my personal opinion on domestic violence, and violence against women in general. Yes, Laila's character didn't display any averse reactions- but is this art imitating life, or is this just a movie script being acted out? This is, after all, someone's story. Someone wrote this scene and decided that ithe character on the receiving end of a couple of slaps will just retort with a jibe.
  
  But I still share equanimus' admiration for Bala. (Belated greetings to equanimus; welcome, and great posts). Apart from this one issue, I think this man is one of the few 'new wave' directors, if you like, who (I hope) will continue take Tamil films to the next level.
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Kumar, This is entirely an aside note, I definitely concur with you about the way these kind of scenes are generally conceived. But, the insensitive usage of this very same situation over many, many films only shows that it's a huge cliché, and that it's depicted in a listlessly one-dimensional (and fake) manner in those films; not that it's a fake "feeling" (such a corny word to use, I agree!) or emotion as such.

  
  
  Yes, it is a huge cliche indeed. Pure fantasy if you like. Sometimes I do have to remind myself that the bulk of cinema patrons watch films to escape reality. I suppose these 'slap/love' scenes may just be the musings of some writer with an inflated ego (I'm soooooo hot that even when I slap a woman, she'll still fall for me.)
  Hmmm, there I go again with my grousing.....must be getting old
  
  
  But I digress.
  
  
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 4:15:42 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  At the same time, it is also never apologetic about any of Guna's deeds. The man is mad, it makes no fuss of it. He abets his uncle in a temple theft when effectively persuaded to do so, he kills a policeman by mistake and shows no remorse whatsoever. There's simply no moral to take home, so to say.

  
  
  I use to have an on-going argument with my friend who said that Guna should not have died in the end. I on the other hand,was expecting his death. There is a theory on Shakespearan plays which I think neatly ties into the the story of Guna and his inevitable demise; most of Shakespeare's plays are about conflict and resolution, and the 'balancing out' of things. i.e, if an act of crime is performed, the perpertator will pay for it. The unique selling point is that even if the protagonist is the perpertrator, or if his/her actions lead to a criminal act, he/she usually has to pay for it (eg Hamlet). Guna, despite his mental condition and circumstances, had to 'pay' for his actions, even though he was coerced by those around him (who eventually pay for their part).
  
  I also thought the ending was apt to the whole 'divine' theme; it was the end of Guna's avatar on earth and the time had come to return with his consort to Kailash.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Thu Sep 13 4:59:37 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  equanimus wrote: Kumar, This is entirely an aside note, I definitely concur with you about the way these kind of scenes are generally conceived. But, the insensitive usage of this very same situation over many, many films only shows that it's a huge cliché, and that it's depicted in a listlessly one-dimensional (and fake) manner in those films; not that it's a fake "feeling" (such a corny word to use, I agree!) or emotion as such. Yes, it is a huge cliche indeed. Pure fantasy if you like. Sometimes I do have to remind myself that the bulk of cinema patrons watch films to escape reality. I suppose these 'slap/love' scenes may just be the musings of some writer with an inflated ego (I'm soooooo hot that even when I slap a woman, she'll still fall for me.) Hmmm, there I go again with my grousing.....must be getting old

  
  
  Kumar,
  I surely concur with you here when you call it a pure fantasy, the musings of some writer with an inflated ego, of the I'm-soooooo-hot-that-even-when-I-slap-a-woman-she'll-still-fall-for-me variety. Add to this that the hero is always represented as a macho man who'll let go off anything in his life except his "veeram."
  My point was in general, about the "socially regressive" scenarios that we see in Tamil cinema which do not care much to represent gender equality, women liberalization etc. Of course, I was playing the devil's advocate here, but it'd be too indulgent on my part to be bought off by this theory of "truths" and advocate the possibility of bizarre kinds of scenarios like this one! I raised the question whether the 'slap/love' "feeling" is "fake" or not only for discussion's sake. It's more of an obsessional behavior than a "traditional Tamil woman-like" behavior. And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general.
  If one tries to have an overall perspective in matters like gender inequality etc. in a real context, all the idealistic positions will only alienate us from truth.
  On a not-so-unrelated note, the juxtaposition of scenes from Anandan-Pushpa's marriage life and Thamizhchelvan-Maragadham's marriage life in Iruvar with Maragadham brings out a similar kind of irony beautifully.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Sep 13 5:36:30 2007.

  Quote:

  On a not-so-unrelated note, the juxtaposition of scenes from Anandan-Pushpa's marriage life and Thamizhchelvan-Maragadham's marriage life in Iruvar with Maragadham brings out a similar kind of irony beautifully.

  
  
  That was sheer beauty. Iruvar has wonderfully conceived characters and Mani weaves a wonderful plot striking us at different levels!
  
  End digression.
  
  I thought "Virumandi" has that scene when Abhirami drops a water-filled pot on Sandiyar, she picks up a fight, one has to look at the way Kamal reacts back like a typical rural boor, and She always tries to respond back like a typical rural woman. No glossy touches.. I thought it was perfectly done..
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 6:25:10 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general.

  
  
  Tell me about it. Whenever I chance upon a review for a Tamil 'romance' movie, I roll my eyes as soon as the reviewer attempts to describe the movie as 'new' or 'innovative'.
  
  
  

  Quote:

  If one tries to have an overall perspective in matters like gender inequality etc. in a real context, all the idealistic positions will only alienate us from truth.

  
  Fair enough.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 6:38:51 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  I thought "Virumandi" has that scene when Abhirami drops a water-filled pot on Sandiyar, she picks up a fight, one has to look at the way Kamal reacts back like a typical rural boor, and She always tries to respond back like a typical rural woman. No glossy touches.. I thought it was perfectly done..

  
  
  Yet another strong woman character. Like you said, Annalakshmi is no pushover. She's about the only level-headed person in Kothala Dhevar's household (or possibly in the village). Kothala is no match for her intelligence and shrewdness (see PR's discussion on this a few pages back)-- he's only able to 'subdue' her through brute force. And she's literally Viru's saving grace who pulls him into line and is his conscience; she's a gentle lover, but will never hesitate to come to his level if a point has to be made.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Thu Sep 13 7:39:39 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  equanimus wrote: And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general. Tell me about it. Whenever I chance upon a review for a Tamil 'romance' movie, I roll my eyes as soon as the reviewer attempts to describe the movie as 'new' or 'innovative'.

  
  
  I don't quite get what you mean. Is it the so-called 'normal' love stories that makes you roll your eyes or my statement about them?
  I was saying that the love stories we see in Tamil films border towards the "obsessional." Both the hero and heroine simply refuse to think beyond each other. If it's oru thalai kaadhal (as the case is with the 'slap/love' scenario), invariably the kaaadhalar would go to unthinkable extents to just make the other person realise his/her love for her/him. And, all along, things like self-esteem and pragmatism won't even figure in the scheme of things.
  
  For the last time, pardon the digression.
  
  
  

  thilak4life wrote:

  I thought "Virumandi" has that scene when Abhirami drops a water-filled pot on Sandiyar, she picks up a fight, one has to look at the way Kamal reacts back like a typical rural boor, and She always tries to respond back like a typical rural woman. No glossy touches.. I thought it was perfectly done..

  
  
  Thilak,
  Yeah, Virumaandi grabs her by the throat when he can't take it anymore. Virumaandi's Annalatchumi is one of the best-written woman characters in recent years, if not the best; and quite easily the best female performance over the past few years.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 13 14:03:12 2007.

  I think Virumaandi is the movie of the past weeks in this thread!
  
  and Annalakshmi is [one of the] the best [woman]character of the decade
  
  cha, howmany times i hav seen viru and never realised that director has shown such a gr8 woman char, and infact the story revolves around her too.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Sep 13 14:11:37 2007.

  There is something more about the character. Kamal the writer has always taken care of his characterizations, and respects everyone of 'em. I believe there is a mythological allegory here, and would be grateful if someone deconstructs and propose it here. It's mindblowing to think of it...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 13 14:31:42 2007.

  i dunno if any myth is there but the "annalachumi" which u hear in the "karumathoor kattukkulle" song, is not that stronger or makes any significance in the song. but the real anna is, man, too great
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Sep 13 14:35:48 2007.

  Sakala, it's not 'myth' as we know the term. It's about the 'mythology' reference/symbolism that Kamal intended...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 13 14:46:14 2007.

  oh ok, it wud sound better to call it as hidden nuances\hidden point ect
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 19:17:55 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Kumar wrote: equanimus wrote: And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general. Tell me about it. Whenever I chance upon a review for a Tamil 'romance' movie, I roll my eyes as soon as the reviewer attempts to describe the movie as 'new' or 'innovative'. I don't quite get what you mean. Is it the so-called 'normal' love stories that makes you roll your eyes or my statement about them? I was saying that the love stories we see in Tamil films border towards the "obsessional." Both the hero and heroine simply refuse to think beyond each other. If it's oru thalai kaadhal (as the case is with the 'slap/love' scenario), invariably the kaaadhalar would go to unthinkable extents to just make the other person realise his/her love for her/him. And, all along, things like self-esteem and pragmatism won't even figure in the scheme of things. For the last time, pardon the digression. .

  
  
  Sorry friend, I should have made myself clearer. My eye-rolling is directed towards the "romantic movies" in general, not your (well written) analysis. I think you've got it down to a 'T'.
  
  I'm just being a grumpy ol' movie fan who is looking for something new in Tamil cinema. Anyway, I'm enjoying your posts-- keep it coming.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 14 1:30:20 2007.

  Lovely posts Kumar and equanimus.
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  On that note, I categorically desist the common notion of MMKR as "nice, family comedy..............Of course, it doesn't overtly play out as a comedy that dwells with the unspeakable, but then, it hardly conforms to any restrictive or bourgeois "standards.

  Very interesting perspective. I am suddenly able to recall some other parts too. Like AvinAshi's : "sowriyamA irungO"
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 4:17:14 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Lovely posts Kumar and equanimus. equanimus wrote: On that note, I categorically desist the common notion of MMKR as "nice, family comedy..............Of course, it doesn't overtly play out as a comedy that dwells with the unspeakable, but then, it hardly conforms to any restrictive or bourgeois "standards. Very interesting perspective. I am suddenly able to recall some other parts too. Like AvinAshi's : "sowriyamA irungO"

  
  
  Absolutely, Prabhu Ram. "Idhula enna sowwriyam?! First night-la mooNu pEr nAn kEttadhE illai..."
  Also to be noted is how the paatti almost pushes Nagesh onto the bed ("Neenga okkArungO!"), and also hands over the paal sombu to Nagesh, "Oothi kudungO!"
  The setpiece of three-in-bed is established even in the most offhanded strokes of the brush, so brilliantly.
  The dialogue exchange between Kameshwaran and Mani Iyer across the closed door in the first night scene also comes to mind. Kameshwaran asks, "ThappillaiyA?" Mani Iyer, replies, "aEi.. thappilla dA!"
  Kameshwaran: "avaLukkum Ok-vAm... AnA, nEkkennavo thappA thAn thOnaRadhu!"
  Mani Iyer: "nee Athiyam... nee avaLai... idhu... eppadi solRadhu..."
  Such dilaogue between a dad and his son! The dad is at total loss of words, as he expects at least this much from his son. When Kameshwaran asks him if it's fine to do it, he even goes on to say, "aey, nee eththana cinema paathirukkAi!"
  
  In the penultimate sequence in Madan Mahal, again, Kameshwaran is all over the place having to do something or the other with almost every woman he chances upon. When Sakubai comes in to the scene and pines, he embraces her too, for a moment! Then, Gangabai sings the 'Sivarathiri' song to make him recollect his affair with Sakubai; she puts in a few dance steps too, and, again, Kameshwaran chips in by holding her and strikes a trademark "romantic" pose with her!
  The comic subversion here is telling. I'd even go a step further and say that it's a bit superficial to take Kameshwaran's "disclaimer" ("pomnAtti karanjA nEkku thAngAdhu kettayA..." ) at face value considering how easily he "gives in" in these scenes.
  Kameshwaran is a man who hasn't pursued many women in his life ("nAn vEroru pomnAttiya Ereduthu pAthadhum kedaiyAdhu kettayA..."), but he surely has a very soft spot for them, albeit he isn't aware of it himself (perhaps, it slowly dawns upon him when he says, "ayyuyyo, ennadhidhu marubadiyum adhayE sollindirukkEn!" ) That is to say, when the paatti chides him, "nannA pEr vechAn ungappan 'Kameshwaran' 'nu... kAmAndhagAra!" she isn't far from being right!
  
  Coming back to the original point, my grouse here is somewhat similar to the complaint many might have with the lazy classification of Wodehouse as a "white" humourist. There isn't a domain which the master has refrained from making fun of, but he's often cited as as master of classical form of humour, as if to distinguish him from the modern humourists who dealt with dark/black humour far more overtly, and, perhaps, even in a self-conscious way.
  Likewise with MMKR, the various levels of hilarity which MMKR brings out is amazing. I can go on and on.... but then, another favourite character of mine would cut me short and say, comedy-nna anubavikkaNum, ArAya koodAdhu!
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Fri Sep 14 4:22:32 2007.

  nice, very nice equanimus!
  
  appadiye andha scenes ellam kannuku munnadi kondu vandhuteenga
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Sep 14 4:45:54 2007.

  wow Equanimous.
  
  Kamal padatha paarthu valarndha balaginamana koottam! Welcome to the club!
  
  BTW, MMKR's greatness is lost in Translation in other languages (watched it in telugu, and thought it missed a chunk of Crazy-Kamal's magic). But it still manages to impress. That speaks about the structure and the narrative. Probably the best comedy film, and my favorite too..
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Sep 14 4:55:15 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Kamal padatha paarthu valarndha balaginamana koottam! ..

  
  
  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 4:59:51 2007.

  All concerned,
  arumayAna discussions
  Keep them coming...
  
  -edited-
  
  

• From: cancer on Fri Sep 14 5:06:26 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  <Dig> P.S: Aandavar's interview at Sun TV tomorrow (is it 8 AM Singapore time, Joe?). And is it the same intree that Kalaignar TV is telecasting? </Dig>

  
  
  athu eppadinga same interview aa irukka mudium..
  
  rendu perum thani thani business panna venangalaaa???
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 5:09:33 2007.

  Cancer,
  
  idhukku thAn padichavanga vENumngaradhu
  adhAvadhu, eppadi message-a edit paNrEnnu mattum pArungO
  
  

• From: cancer on Fri Sep 14 5:11:42 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Cancer, adhAvadhu, eppadi message-a edit paNrEnnu mattum pArungO

  
  
  
  
  
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 14 7:47:28 2007.

  Great Post equanimus. There is PGW thread wilting somewhere in the literature section, hope you get active there too.

  equanimus wrote:

  When Kameshwaran asks him if it's fine to do it, he even goes on to say, "aey, nee eththana cinema paathirukkAi!"

  
  K: nAdOdi mannan cinemAvula varrApla irukku.
  M: nEkku adhu theriyAdhu
  
  In any double meaning dialogue, one party will seem completely oblivious to the other meaning that we are all aware of (and hence enjoy the humor). But many times the set-up is too incredible and contrived (like how would this not occure to him, etc.) But this scene is spotlesss.
  KamEswaran says: "..avaLaiyum koottindu ...(talking softly) pEsAme bengAloor pOyittu varalAngriyA. (Had Mani Iyer heard this, the joke is over)
  When the Mani Iyer doesn't understand the reference to nAdoDi mannan, Kameswaran explains: "adhula ippidi varumE"....sshowing with the hands the interchange.
  The door is pretty much everything in that scene. Perhaps why the scene begins (pAtti and avinashi entering into it - must see the look on the unsuspecting K's face ) and ends (paatti:"done !" ) with the door.
  

  equanimus wrote:

  I can go on and on....

  please do
  

  equanimus wrote:

  but then, another favourite character of mine would cut me short and say, comedy-nna anubavikkaNum, ArAya koodAdhu!

  neenga aarainga...naanga anubavikkarOm
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 8:03:52 2007.

  Thanks, folks.
  
  

  thilak4life wrote:

  Kamal padatha paarthu valarndha balaginamana koottam! Welcome to the club!

  
  
  Of course! yArukkumE avvalO manObalam kedaiyAdhu, Thilak...
  
  Trivia question: How does Nagesh come to know of Kameshwaran?
  Answer: Only because Varadhukkutti who always has it going with his kashkam, lifts his hand to scratch it at the right time!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 8:08:29 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Trivia question: How does Nagesh come to know of Kameshwaran? Answer: Only because Varadhukkutti who always has it going with his kashkam, lifts his hand to scratch it at the right time!

  
  
  innikkE pOi andha jAnavAsam scene-a pAkkarEn!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Sep 14 8:10:27 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: <Dig> P.S: Aandavar's interview at Sun TV tomorrow (is it 8 AM Singapore time, Joe?). And is it the same intree that Kalaignar TV is telecasting? </Dig> athu eppadinga same interview aa irukka mudium.. rendu perum thani thani business panna venangalaaa???

  
  
  Bala,
  
  I think that is an old interview with Vijay Saradhi. Not a worthy one
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 8:10:47 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  BTW, MMKR's greatness is lost in Translation in other languages (watched it in telugu, and thought it missed a chunk of Crazy-Kamal's magic). But it still manages to impress. That speaks about the structure and the narrative. Probably the best comedy film, and my favorite too..

  
  
  It's hands down (no pun intended!) the best Indian comedy in my books. I adore slice-of-life comedies myself, but then, as some wise man said, great comedians just make great comedies, others go and take slices of life.
  
  I do agree that it got lost in translation. But, the process of translation itself was not up to the mark. I've watched some parts of the Telugu version, but not in full. I think most of the 'loss' there should be attributed to careless writing and dubbing. It's not as if they were really serious about the Telugu version. Like it happens with the dubbing of any usual Tamil film, nobody must have been around. With someone like Jandhyala as the writer and the actors lip-synching for themselves, I'm sure it'd have worked much better.
  
  Now, for a long, entirely pointless musing about the Crazy-Kamal combo. You're sufficiently warned!
  
  I am a HUGE fan of Crazy Mohan. I grew up with Kamal Haasan, 'Crazy' Mohan and MMKR, and used to feel smug about knowing that [-edited-] Singeetam and Crazy Mohan were the significant men behind the film, when most of the junta didn't even know about either of them. I used to think Crazy Mohan's contribution was very significant to the film.[-edited-] This is a belief which many hold now, but I don't, not as much. More one sees MMKR, more one would realise that it's not Crazy Mohan's pen that made it what it is. On the other hand, I think Singeetam's contribution is painfully underrated. He is one of my favourite directors and just for Pushpak, Aboorva Sagodharargal and MMKR, he is right up there among the best. There is something funny even in his frames. The craft is oustanding. Not in every Crazy-Kamal comedy does one get to see even blink-and-you-will-miss characters making a mark for themselves. Like the watchman who comes for a moment in the "comedy track" of Aboorva Sagodharargal. ("Neenga pudinga, naa saaptuttu irukkenla!" )
  
  Crazy Mohan's dialogue, on the other hand, is all about verbal humour which fits him perfectly fine in his stage plays. In those plays, there's no greater inherent design to accommodates all the humour that is in there. In fact, in most cases, there are only two disparate things -- the lines that drive the plot and the lines that are funny.
  This is why his humour doesn't work that well in films. If one lets him write for screen, it simply goes haywire (with due respects, I might even drop a tear or two, as I say this!). ThEdinEn Vandhadhu or Jery anyone? They have a few brilliant lines too, like a twisted version of a pazhamozhi in the latter: "nAlai nadappadhu Nana Patekar seyal!" Context: Goundamani refuses to start Hindi classes today, says that he'll start tomorrow, and muses, "Naalai nadappadhu Narayanan seyal." His Hindi student retorts back, "IdhayAvadhu Hindi-la sollak koodAthA?" He quickly says, "[i]Sari, Nana Patekar seyal!", but the overarching play with words and pretty much nothing else in place makes them terrible, terrible films. So, let's leave non-Kamal ventures of Crazy Mohan aside.
  
  If one compares MMKR with other Crazy-Kamal comedies like Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa, one'll find that the humour in the dialogue of the former seldom comes from its words as such, where as, the latter is all about the words. While the former has only very few trademark Crazy Mohan lines -- like "Thiruppi vechAlum, nimirthu vechAlum thiruttu thiruttu dhAn, theriyumA?" "Appan kudhirukkulla illai 'nnu appantayE sollindu irukkAi nee" -- the latter is simply Crazy Mohan's show with Kamal and other actors just pitching in with performances that are usually superb. (Mouli's timing, for example, is extraordinary. "Ivaru dhAn un chiththappA, AnA nee ivara mAmA 'nnum kooppidalAm!" )
  In case of MMKR, I'd positively say that the funniest lines wouldn't have come from Crazy Mohan's pen at all.
  
  Just take the standout sequence (in a film that's so full of standout sequences!) that ensues when Raju comes to Madan Mahal for the first time with Shalini ("Thannila nenchi paakanume!" Watch out for Nagesh's reaction here!), Shalini's "daddy" and Bheem.
  This is virtually a showdown of two comedic stalwarts, Nagesh and Kamal Haasan. Every single line is an absolute cracker here, but none of it bears the 'Crazy' Mohan stamp.
  
  Which is why PKS stands out for me (despite its underwhelming parts) from other lesser comedies like Panchathanthiram and Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa. (Thenali or Vasoolraja won't figure even in my second tier.) A Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa or a Panchathanthiram never gets out of its verbal mode, but a PKS is weaved in a much more intricate fashion. The whole is more than the sum of its parts. The humour is so natural and spontaneous. Whenever I quote one of my favourite lines from the film, people find it just nondescript or too bland (well, that's why it's funny!). But, to me, that's comic genius. PKS responding to Janaki's remark with a deadpan face: "Illinga. Idhu Biskothu, idhu bigil." That cracks me up every darn time.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 8:13:30 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Bala, I think that is an old interview with Vijay Saradhi. Not a worthy one

  
  
  Sun TV and Vijay Sarathy
  
  Vijay Sarathy is the worst interviewer in this planet
  
  Sun TV - remba nalla competition with Kalaignar TV.. superabbu
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 8:26:40 2007.

  Equanimus,
  I'm getting tired of saying this Fantastic post!
  
  Request: More on why PKS's humor stands out from 5Tricks and KK with examples please ...(i also like PKS better than these two)
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  This is a belief which many hold now, but I don't, not as much. More one sees MMKR, more one would realise that it's not Crazy Mohan's pen that made it what it is. On the other hand, I think Singeetam's contribution is painfully underrated.

  
  
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  He is one of my favourite directors and just for Pushpak, Aboorva Sagodharargal and MMKR, he is right up there among the best. There is something funny even in his frames. The craft is oustanding. Not in every Crazy-Kamal comedy does one get to see even blink-and-you-will-miss characters making a mark for themselves. Like the watchman who comes for a moment in the "comedy track" of Aboorva Sagodharargal. ("Neenga pudinga, naa saaptuttu irukkenla!" )

  
  I thought i was the only one who finds that scene damn funny.
  To add one more scene: The bald sidekick to Nagesh signalling to the group of men with his thundu to "attack" Raaja just before the fight scene.
  You are dead right that there is some trademark SSR humor in all his films - Pushpak, MMKR, AS and even MX
  
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Crazy Mohan's dialogue, on the other hand, is all about verbal humour which fits him perfectly fine in his stage plays. In those plays, there's no greater inherent design to accommodates all the humour that is in there. In fact, in most cases, there are only two disparate things -- the lines that drive the plot and the lines that are funny. This is why his humour doesn't work that well in films. If one lets him write for screen, it simply goes haywire (with due respects, I might even drop a tear or two, as I say this!). ThEdinEn Vandhadhu or Jery anyone? They have some brilliant lines too. Like a twisted version of a pazhamozhi in the latter: "nAlai nadappadhu Nana Patekar seyal!" Context: Goundamani refuses to start Hindi classes today, says that he'll start tomorrow, and muses, "Naalai nadappadhu Narayanan seyal." His Hindi student retorts back, "IdhayAvadhu Hindi-la sollak koodAthA?" He quickly says, "[i]Sari, Nana Patekar seyal!" If one compares MMKR with other Crazy-Kamal comedies like Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa, one'll find that the humour in the dialogue of the former seldom comes from its words as such, where as, the latter is all about the words. While the former has only very few trademark Crazy Mohan lines -- like "Thiruppi vechAlum, nimirthu vechAlum thiruttu thiruttu dhAn, theriyumA?" "Appan kudhirukkulla illai 'nnu appantayE sollindu irukkAi nee" -- the latter is simply Crazy Mohan's show. I'd positively say that the funniest lines of MMKR wouldn't have come from Crazy Mohan's pen at all. Just take the standout sequence (in a film that's so full of standout sequences!) that ensues when Raju comes to Madan Mahal for the first time with Shalini ("Thannila nenchi paakanume!" Watch out for Nagesh's reaction here!), Shalini's "daddy" and Bheem. This is virtually a showdown of two comedic stalwarts, Nagesh and Kamal Haasan. Every single line is an absolute cracker here, but none of it bears the 'Crazy' Mohan stamp.

  
  Superb!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 9:19:59 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  But many times the set-up is too incredible and contrived (like how would this not occure to him, etc.) But this scene is spotlesss. KamEswaran says: "..avaLaiyum koottindu ...(talking softly) pEsAme bengAloor pOyittu varalAngriyA. (Had Mani Iyer heard this, the joke is over) When the Mani Iyer doesn't understand the reference to nAdoDi mannan, Kameswaran explains: "adhula ippidi varumE"....sshowing with the hands the interchange. The door is pretty much everything in that scene. Perhaps why the scene begins (pAtti and avinashi entering into it - must see the look on the unsuspecting K's face ) and ends (paatti:"done !" ) with the door.

  
  
  Very true, Prabhu Ram. I thought of also mentioning about how convincingly the sequence is done with Kamal and Delhi Ganesh talking through a closed door. Thanks for pointing it out. Kamal's mention about 'Nadodi Mannan' when his dad asks if he hasn't seen this kind of thing in movies and the way that's carried out was also spot-on.
  You don't see that anybody is making it all out so that the audience get some jokes. That is to say that the paatti's idea is a genuine and very smart.
  Delhi Ganesh who's supposed to give his verdict on the issue obviously can't spell it out, while Kameshwaran assumes that his dad knows the issue.
  
  All this discussion is about a sequence that roughly goes for 4 minutes or so. I simply don't know what these guys were drinking as they wrote and filmed these sequences!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 9:40:13 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  equanimus wrote: He is one of my favourite directors and just for Pushpak, Aboorva Sagodharargal and MMKR, he is right up there among the best. There is something funny even in his frames. The craft is oustanding. Not in every Crazy-Kamal comedy does one get to see even blink-and-you-will-miss characters making a mark for themselves. Like the watchman who comes for a moment in the "comedy track" of Aboorva Sagodharargal. ("Neenga pudinga, naa saaptuttu irukkenla!" ) I thought i was the only one who finds that scene damn funny.

  
  
  I love the comedy track of Aboorva Sagodharargal. I love the way Kamal says one of his lines in this scene: "nikkaRa vaNdiya da!"
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  To add one more scene: The bald sidekick to Nagesh signalling to the group of men with his thundu to "attack" Raaja just before the fight scene. You are dead right that there is some trademark SSR humor in all his films - Pushpak, MMKR, AS and even MX

  
  
  Aamaam, aamaam! The thundu scene is hilarious. The way he blurts out finally, "pOnnga dA!"
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 9:45:54 2007.

  Well, IMO Aboorva Sagodharargal is the best made masala entertainer ever. Period.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 9:59:33 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  I am a HUGE fan of Crazy Mohan. I grew up with Kamal Haasan, 'Crazy' Mohan and MMKR, and used to feel smug about knowing that Crazy Mohan was a significant man (if not the most significant) behind the film, when most of the junta didn't even know about 'Crazy' Mohan. This is a belief which many hold now, but I don't, not as much.

  
  
  Whoa, whoa, what sin I've committed! How did I miss Singeetam when I talk about how I grew up with MMKR?! I've always been a huge fan of him.
  I think I missed to mention him as the point was particularly about the role of Crazy Mohan in the film. Edited appropriately.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 14 10:07:43 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Trivia question: How does Nagesh come to know of Kameshwaran? Answer: Only because Varadhukkutti who always has it going with his kashkam, lifts his hand to scratch it at the right time!

  What a.....perspective !
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Just take the standout sequence (in a film that's so full of standout sequences!) that ensues when Raju comes to Madan Mahal for the first time with Shalini

  awesome bunch of scenes
  neenga inga vElai paakkureengaLA ?
  ellAm unga dhayavula
  
  Raju: like like same same...
  'daddy' Sivaram: (having achieved interruption of the moment, makes polite convesation) own house-A
  
  The cherry is mentioning reference to AnbE Vaa to Nagesh himself !
  sari unnAnda solli inna panradhu....
  

  equanimus wrote:

  "Thannila nenchi paakanume!" ROTFL

  Just noticed when watching this weekend. In that scene, Kushboo is constantly feeling the arms of her blouse for the dampness. : notworthy:
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Equanimus, I'm getting tired of saying this Twisted Evil Fantastic post! Not Worthy

  
  
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Sep 14 10:16:16 2007.

  Great posts equanimus !! I don't have the time to join in the fun, but I hope to come back later..
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Sep 14 10:32:36 2007.

  Just to add: that MMKR drips of trademark Kamal-Singeetham touches can be seen as early as during the credits. As the lines "vanjagar kangalil mannayum thoovi.." play out in the background, we have Kamal's mother (I keep forgetting her name..) literally throw sand into the eyes of her pursuers. What genius..!!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 11:04:59 2007.

  Request-laam periya vaarthai, Bala... but anyway, ennoda thoughts on PKS.
  
  Sufficient warnings first:
  
  I am big fan of PKS, the character; and intend to start a cult following for him in the future when the necessary faculties are at my disposal. I don't mean to suggest that he's as influential as The Dude of 'The Big Lebowski,' but he's "The Tamil Dude" for me! On that note, I must say, Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters (half-wit sounds more appropriate than dimwit to me) that Kamal has played -- and PKS wouldn't mind that all, but I tend to think PKS is the most well-realised Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit (half-wit, the most important qualifier here!) Kamal has ever played.
  
  PKS, the film, was a Kamal Haasan show all the way. He lifts a run-of-the-mill film with a frivolous premise with his sheer presence and comedic timing. It was like a master going on a vacation, but still can't stop being so fantastic. The treatment is so laidback and low-key, and there are definitely quite a lot of stock sequences (like the totally unnecessary, unfunny road chase sequence before the climax in the police station) that pulls the movie down, but overall, I'd say it's underrated. The form of humour it dealt with was commendable and unique.
  
  The flow of sequences in PKS to begin with. The humour is so spontaneous, natural and entirely driven by the situation. I think Mouli should take a fair share of credit for this.
  Though there are many good examples to pick, let me pick the "Royapuram Sivan" shooting sequence. A total riot and captures the way PKS's mind works wonderfully. I love the way Kamal explains all his difficulties why he isn't able to give a good performance! (TP Gajendran remarks, "idhellAm nallA pesu, dialogue kuduthA mattum pesAdha!" And the way PKS starts out explaining that too, "adhu En therima...?" ) And, the way he taunts his co-artist, "DhOdA! Unakku somersault adikka therima?" (Unfortunately, the later part of the sequence goes the obvious way of farce, so to say, with Sammandham chasing the bull and all that.)
  Almost all those scenes where Kamal "helps" Abbas with his various ideas ("Idhenna comedy scene-aa? Serious-aa irukkanum ma!" he tells the lady who acts as Abbas's Kallakkaadhali ) and some of the scenes with PKS and his bunch of acolytes in the lodge and in the hospital were all great fun.
  
  PKS: "ennadA orange juice sududhA, Aththiginu irukka?"
  Vaiyapuri: "nAnAvadhu Athittirukken, nee EdhO penAthittirukkarA mAari irukku!"
  PKS: "enukku eppadi irukku therimA, neenga ellAm Edho doubul meaning-la pesarA mAri irukku!"
  
  The absurdism that runs through these lines totally captivates me. The lines are so absurd, but yet precisely strikes the right chord with the scene.
  
  Of course, we have PKS's words of wisdom, the pazhamozhigal:
  "kAthAdikku kooda dhAn vAl irukku, adhukkAga korangu parakkumA!" (the holiest of holies, saying which the Dude himself is visibily overjoyed! )
  "Super pazhamozhi, master! summA varuvAlA sugumAri, thirinyum uzhudA sOmAri 'nnAnnAn!" (The first part itself is so sublime, so the stunt master must take a lot of credit here.)
  "kEkkaradhu kadambAkki, kaila thuppAkki 'nnAnnAn!"
  "Ivanga mattum... umm, vedam sAththAn OdharAngO!"
  "singathOda thalaiya seeppAla vArriyA?"
  "oru soththap pallukkAga sothaiye pirikkuradhA?"
  
  Last but not the least, the way a pokerfaced PKS reflects on existential philosophy, "Idhu biskothu, idhu bigil."
  
  Caveat note: Personally, I feel all these off-kilter material came straight out of Kamal Haasan's head, but I may be wrong as well. My idea of "trademark Crazy Mohan" does tend to limit his artistry, but then his plays and the films for which we wrote the dialogue are all what I have to "get" his artistry. I've had the opportunity to meet him, but I couldn't manage to discuss much. I hope I get another chance soon... If I'm proven wrong, I'd only be glad.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 11:08:54 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Just to add: that MMKR drips of trademark Kamal-Singeetham touches can be seen as early as during the credits. As the lines "vanjagar kangalil mannayum thoovi.." play out in the background, we have Kamal's mother (I keep forgetting her name..) literally throw sand into the eyes of her pursuers. What genius..!!

  
  
  Oh, yes! Oh, yes!! The title sequence is a work of art. I've lost count of the various tropes that MMKR serves as a throwback to, and, perhaps more importantly, so fondly pays homage to.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 11:36:31 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  neenga inga vElai paakkureengaLA ? ellAm unga dhayavula ............... Raju: like like same same... 'daddy' Sivaram: (having achieved interruption of the moment, makes polite convesation) own house-A ............... The cherry is mentioning reference to AnbE Vaa to Nagesh himself ! sari unnAnda solli inna panradhu....

  
  
  
  "Indha Arumugam ogay dhAna?"
  The Anbe Vaa reference is so cool and superbly placed.
  
  On that note, there's a throwaway piece of dialogue in PKS, when Abbas is supposed to drive around in bike with his "kallakkaadhali" in front of Sneha, his wife, which he does as instructed, but wearing a helmet! PKS responds in style:
  
  Ippadi mugamudi pOttunu ponA?! en uththama puthrA!
  
  Obviously, a reference to Sivaji's Uthama Puthiran.
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Fri Sep 14 14:10:58 2007.

  katradhu kai alavu
  kallaadhadhu CELL alavu ....
  
  oru marukka marakka mudiyaadha unmai
  azhagaaga eduthu sonna Kamal ji
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Sep 14 21:03:58 2007.

  equanimus,
  
  ! Great to have hubbers like u, belated welcome to hub! after reading ur posts i thot "ukkaantho yosipeeingalo" and also thot "engiruthu thaan kelambi varraingalo" i mean, if not personal in anyways, wud u tell me how u discovered this place?
  
  We have similar guys like Bala\Prabu Raam, kannann, kumar and few more. But they initially were normal hubbers like any one of us and later, slowly, gradually, they pricked the crown from us and weared onto their head. But u seem to grab that frm us too early! AS PR said, unga aaraichi enga anubavathirkaaga!
  
  We have another wonderful guy Randy who created a spl blog for kamalji[now bala joined him]. i was thinking of pulling him too, into this space.
  
  ps: bala aka cr_rajkumar!
  
  

• From: Kumar on Fri Sep 14 22:18:59 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Request-laam periya vaarthai, Bala... but anyway, ennoda thoughts on PKS. Sufficient warnings first: I am big fan of PKS, the character; and intend to start a cult following for him in the future when the necessary faculties are at my disposal.

  
  
  OMG!! If you do start a following, I'll sign up for sure. I think he's one of the better characters Kamal has given life to.
  
  One of the reasons why I like PKS (the movie) is the marriage of great dialogue and perfect timing. Kamal's delivery is perfect; he's deadpan when needed, and he's about the only actor that can look genuinely blank! Like you said, PKS the character, is the best "realised Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit (half-wit, the most important qualifier here!) Kamal has ever played".
  
  
  

  Quote:

  The flow of sequences in PKS to begin with. The humour is so spontaneous, natural and entirely driven by the situation. I think Mouli should take a fair share of credit for this.

  
  
  Exactly. The lines are delivered in a very conversational method (not shouted out like some deliberate comedy tracks). Add to that Kamal's knack of inserting the perfect pitch, volume, intonation, etc at the right time. And Mouli has a great appreciation of medic timing and delivery.
  
  The scene following the divorce settlement cracks me up each time I see it:
  
  Kamal: Passing-u cloud-a??
  Abbas: Naanthaanne athu.
  Kamal:Aah! Avalo English-u theriyum yenneku..... (then greets Sneha by saying) No mention, ma................
  
  and
  
  Simran: ..............stupid! Ridiculous!!
  Kamal:Inna?!!Stupid-a?!Nee yenna sonalum naa kaetekenumma? Dont put word in my mouth-u! Vaartei pudunggathe-dren!
  Simran:What??
  Kamal:Inna, thappa? Correct-u thaana naan sonadhu?
  Abbas:Correct-u, aana 's' vitingge
  Kamal: Adhuyen vuduvaana....Don't put word in my mouths-u!!
  
  PS: My apologies, if my reproduction of dialogue is not up to par and if my romanised Tamil is not that good....
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Sat Sep 15 0:40:50 2007.

  A scene in Aboorva Sagodarargal was so fabulous..
  Kamal's recations to Srividhya 's comments about his size (to Mouli) was sooooooooo great..
  that was a touching scene made even more awesome by brilliant IR's BGM..
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Sep 16 4:38:08 2007.

  Equanimus lovely post on PKS. After reading your post I feel I have watched only half the film !
  
  Germ traced to Avvai Shanmugi:
  Viswanathayyar: ChellappAvukkum Mudaliarukkum enna dA sammandham ?
  Sethuraamayyar: sammandham irukkuNNA...sammandha mudaliyAr
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters

  
  hey ! sabAs... nallavarundra... ? my favourite quotable quote
  

  equanimus wrote:

  "DhOdA! Unakku somersault adikka therima?"

  that's a killer ! Left to you to imagine the portly green pArvati attempting a back-flip.
  
  The earnestness when PKS rsponds to Yuhi Sethu's "record break" in the jewellery shop is just great. Even in the poignant rejection scene he steals the show with "innA cinemAvE paakkAdha valandhuttOmnu nenekkireengaLA ?"
  
  One other unfunny line which somehow has me splits is "ent" doctor Crazy's : "kEttA dhAn kaadhu.....kEkkAtti shevidu". I can't even explain why I laugh for that even as I am typing this.
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  I feel all these off-kilter material came straight out of Kamal Haasan's head, but I may be wrong as well.

  I think so too. The pazhamozhi thing can be seen in MaharAsan too. But one shouldn't bother comparing him with PKS who is miles ahead. (A distant second is the pazhamozhi thaathA in SV ShEkar's periya thambi, but he gets irritating after a while)
  
  Was watching the forgettable MaharAsan last night. One movie even Kamal couldn't save. The pazhamozhi speaker who excels in PKS is found there as an ill-developed mass. And of course some sparkles here and there, particularly with Goundamani. GM-Kamal are a rather good but undernoticed tag team.
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Mon Sep 17 4:39:50 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  The earnestness when PKS rsponds to Yuhi Sethu's "record break" in the jewellery shop is just great.

  
  
  My favorite Need to watch the film again
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Sep 17 16:52:15 2007.

  
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4087586315191254476
  
  Kaadhal Raagam
  
  

• From: anoops on Mon Sep 17 23:29:50 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  Simran: ..............stupid! Ridiculous!! Kamal:Inna?!!Stupid-a?!Nee yenna sonalum naa kaetekenumma? Dont put word in my mouth-u! Vaartei pudunggathe-dren! Simran:What?? Kamal:Inna, thappa? Correct-u thaana naan sonadhu? Abbas:Correct-u, aana 's' vitingge Kamal: Adhuyen vuduvaana....Don't put word in my mouths-u!! PS: My apologies, if my reproduction of dialogue is not up to par and if my romanised Tamil is not that good....

  
  
  right after this, when they get down the stairs, a typist is typing all that kamal is saying and he asks alarmed, 'ennada enna note panriya'
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 18 21:31:46 2007.

  Equanimus,
  nanri hai
  
  

  Equanimus wrote:

  I am big fan of PKS, the character; and intend to start a cult following for him in the future when the necessary faculties are at my disposal. I don't mean to suggest that he's as influential as The Dude of 'The Big Lebowski,' but he's "The Tamil Dude" for me! On that note, I must say, Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters (half-wit sounds more appropriate than dimwit to me) that Kamal has played -- and PKS wouldn't mind that all, but I tend to think PKS is the most well-realised Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit (half-wit, the most important qualifier here!) Kamal has ever played

  
  <Dig>
  Another fan of TBL and The Dude! And i thought i was the only one here....
  Actually, i liked "Walter Sobchak" more... he is/was/will be the ULTIMATE!
  One more korikkai
  TBL pathi unga karuthukkala inga ezhudhina nalla irukkum
  
  @ "The Tamil Dude" -
  </Dig>
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 19 2:27:46 2007.

  TBL and Coen brothers fan here is insulted.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 19 4:25:15 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  TBL and Coen brothers fan here is insulted.

  
  Sorry
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 19 4:25:21 2007.

  Equanimus,
  
  I didn't care much for PKS. Time for a revisit.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 19 6:14:35 2007.

  Thanks everyone, you're all being too kind in your comments.
  
  

  Kumar wrote:

  The scene following the divorce settlement cracks me up each time I see it: Kamal: Passing-u cloud-a?? Abbas: Naanthaanne athu. Kamal:Aah! Avalo English-u theriyum yenneku..... (then greets Sneha by saying) No mention, ma................ and Simran: ..............stupid! Ridiculous!! Kamal:Inna?!!Stupid-a?!Nee yenna sonalum naa kaetekenumma? Dont put word in my mouth-u! Vaartei pudunggathe-dren! Simran:What?? Kamal:Inna, thappa? Correct-u thaana naan sonadhu? Abbas:Correct-u, aana 's' vitingge Kamal: Adhuyen vuduvaana....Don't put word in my mouths-u!! PS: My apologies, if my reproduction of dialogue is not up to par and if my romanised Tamil is not that good....

  
  
  "... Aibrid pappALiyAttam vaLandhuttAnE kaNdi, ivunukku puLLa mARi manasu mA..."
  
  Absolutely. I love this scene. In general, as I had mentioned in my original post, all those scenes where Kamal "helps" Abbas -- be it the fiasco at the lawyer's place (where a restless Abbas says what's probably his funniest line: "vivAgarathellAm kudukka mudiyAdhu." Kamal goes, "Dei... irRA, adhAn soltiyE." ), the restaurant scene, or the court scene -- crack me up every darn time.
  
  And, of course, it also has one of the funniest unfunny-lines (which will be referred to as his cult lines in the future ) that PKS delivers in the film. (I perplex some of my friends by keeping this as my messenger status message!)
  
  A visibly shocked PKS: "Passing-u clovud-aa?!"
  
  Just the way he delivers it cracks me up everytime. Again, there are more such lines which mean close to nothing, but are so damn funny. Another absolute favourite:
  
  "Trolley forward..."
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 19 6:28:38 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Equanimus lovely post on PKS. After reading your post I feel I have watched only half the film ! Germ traced to Avvai Shanmugi: Viswanathayyar: ChellappAvukkum Mudaliarukkum enna dA sammandham ? Sethuraamayyar: sammandham irukkuNNA...sammandha mudaliyAr equanimus wrote: Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters hey ! sabAs... nallavarundra... ? my favourite quotable quote equanimus wrote: "DhOdA! Unakku somersault adikka therima?" that's a killer ! Left to you to imagine the portly green pArvati attempting a back-flip.

  
  
  My most favourite "quotable quote" (which may only mean that it's part of my Raju-consciousness for a long, long time) has to be this: "sOkkA sonnayyA, dhool 'yA! idhellAm appdE varradhdhAn illa..." Fittingly followed by that defining Raju-moment -- Raju mischievously rolling his eyes down, much delighted as he's all set to say the catchphrase himself!
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  The earnestness when PKS rsponds to Yuhi Sethu's "record break" in the jewellery shop is just great. Even in the poignant rejection scene he steals the show with "innA cinemAvE paakkAdha valandhuttOmnu nenekkireengaLA ?"

  
  
  In fact, the earnestness with which Kamal played the character (Raju is a super-worthy precursor in this aspect, of course) is one of the key qualities in his performance that takes the character and the film to a different level. I, for one, love the "serious scenes" of PKS as well. They work so well, unlike the ones in, say, 'Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa' (which are almost apologetic!). Especially, PKS's scenes with his Thatha are moving and deserve mention amongst the best scenes of Kamal in recent times.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  equanimus wrote: I feel all these off-kilter material came straight out of Kamal Haasan's head, but I may be wrong as well. I think so too. The pazhamozhi thing can be seen in MaharAsan too. But one shouldn't bother comparing him with PKS who is miles ahead. (A distant second is the pazhamozhi thaathA in SV ShEkar's periya thambi, but he gets irritating after a while) Was watching the forgettable MaharAsan last night. One movie even Kamal couldn't save. The pazhamozhi speaker who excels in PKS is found there as an ill-developed mass. And of course some sparkles here and there, particularly with Goundamani. GM-Kamal are a rather good but undernoticed tag team.

  
  
  Yes, GM-Kamal is an undernoticed tag team who have done reasonably well together (the comedy track of Indian too is worth mentioning). GM's "method" however is at loggerheads with that of Kamal (or Crazy Mohan, for that matter). That is, Goundamani's way is despite the plot and characters, while Kamal's with the plot and characters. This is not to put down their combination though, it'd only be interesting to see two comedians with such contrasting styles come together.
  
  [Digression]
  I agree with your point that 'Periya Thambi' is a distant second. It can't hold a candle to the absurdist genius of PKS, but it's certainly worth mentioning for the sheer ridiculousness of it. "Thattith thatti koottuvALAn MuniyammA, innikku kezhama saniyammA 'ndra kadhaiyA..."
  Periya Thambi is a very well done satire of the village dramas of 80s and 90s. S. Ve. Shekar's comic timing is brilliant and he can make very ordinary lines sound very funny. I am a big fan of Crazy Mohan's brand of Wodehousian humour (or Sabha humour, if you will, with the quintessential brahmin flavour) -- "universal" setpieces which will work anywhere, "timeless" (oblivious to current affairs). I even used to prefer it a wee bit to S. Ve Shekar's brand of humour. But, I must say S. Ve. Shekar's plays have held up so well with time. His plays revel in the absurd and have healthy dose (!) of bawdy humour. Also, his plays cater to a wider Tamil audience with a strong Tamil flavour (as against a Brahmin flavour) and are very pop-culture-conscious. Mahabharathathil Mangaathaa is my most favourite "comedy drama." It must be part of the curriculum for anyone who attempts to satirize mythological dramas.
  [/Digression]
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 20 2:03:24 2007.

  AllThingsKamal - 200th post by Qalandar.
  
  Note: The author may be from North Indies, relatively new to Tamil cinema but his understanding and appreciation of where "we" stand is remarkable.
  
  Super post!
  
  [emphasis mine]
  

  Qalandar wrote:

  I am ostensibly an odd choice to write a commemorative post on a site dedicated to Kamal Haasan: not only have I not grown up on Nayakan, Thevar Magan or Guna, but I’ve come to Kamal’s films — indeed, Tamil films in general — only relatively recently (and even now am limited to the ones I can find with English subtitles), and indeed often wish he would stop playing the hero (including in one of my favorite Kamal films, Virumaandi). What gives? All of the above might, however, make me especially well-positioned to begin a discussion on Kamal’s place in Indian cinema, a discussion, that is, that does not focus on his acting achievements so much as on what he means, the position he occupies, and the difference he has made. That “difference” is not merely a question of saying that Kamal stands for “quality” cinema, or that Kamal goes against the grain of Tamil masala cinema. Rather, a proper appreciation of this difference would also have to engage with the wider context of a Tamil cinema that is simultaneously a “regional” cinema, and one confronted with the hard fact of a dominant “national” industry with far greater resources at hand. For it is this terrain that Kamal’s career has had to negotiate, certainly over the last two decades. Confronted with that brute fact, the tendency is for India’s “regional” industries to go aggressively “local”, with cinema being viewed as a repository (or even as embattled citadel) of a culture and way of life that is under threat, besieged not necessarily due to any overt political hostility so much as by the dominance of a discourse — in this case Hindi cinema — with nationwide ambitions. At its best, this phenomenon results in films far more attuned to the rhythm of the “little”; to “marginal” voices that are not very likely to register on canvases where images are painted in very broad brushes; to moments as opposed to grand projects; to stories and not mere spectacles. At its worst, however, the “regional” film finds it hard to shed its mantle of insularity, and runs the risk of imagining the “local” past and culture as hermetically sealed and set in stone, and even of falling into the trap of xenophobia. Confronted with a “national” hegemony that would potentially sacrifice the “regional” at the altar of homogeneity, the temptation (not often resisted) is to construct a narrative of the “regional” that itself becomes a countervailing homogenizing hegemony: certain films or subjects are deemed more or less “authentically” Tamil, while others might be criticized for not hewing closely to a “standard” or “authorized” Tamil idiom. The construction of a countervailing sub-national hegemony, in short, risks compromising the very attention to the “local” that animated the “regional” in the first place. Ever since the man started assuming greater film-making control over his projects, the arc of Kamal’s career has done more to destabilize the above polarity than any other, Mani Ratnam’s excluded (fittingly enough, if one were hardpressed for an inaugural “moment” for the difference I am referring to, one need look no further than the coming together of Ratnam and Kamal in Nayakan). For Kamal and Ratnam have sought to evade the hegemonic “national” by resorting to a global paradigm, one that seeks to tap into the best of “world” cinema in an ambitious attempt to distinguish their Tamil films not merely on account of their Tamil essence but on account of their excellence — where “excellence” is defined not in terms of what would or would not pass muster in mainstream Hindi cinema, but what would make the grade where the world’s cinephiles are concerned. Indeed, it would be no exaggeration to say that of the two, Kamal’s concern for the health — and even more so for the sophistication — of Tamil cinema exceeds that of Ratnam’s. And if the prescription comes at a price — the casting of Kamal himself in the role of messiah — in a historical sense the price is well worth paying. Kamal’s approach is not simply a question of distinguishing Tamil films by virtue of quality: the films he has directed make clear that he sees the appeal to the trans-national as a way not only to evade the national, but to enable the “regional” to interrogate the national, thereby carving out a cinematic space that is not simply a function of linguistic difference, even as it depends upon and perhaps even acts in the name of that linguistic difference. It is worth stressing that this is in no way an “anti-national” viewpoint, but instead one that resists the dominance of an “official” paradigm. My point is best illustrated by means of Hey Ram and Virumaandi, two of the finest Indian films I have seen this decade, and both directed by Kamal himself. Hey Ram is ostensibly itself a “national” film, planned and executed as a bi-lingual, and populated with Bollywood stars, to such a degree that non-Tamilians might not even think of it as a Tamil film at all. Yet this is no instance of cultural effacement in the quest for a wider audience. Rather, Kamal uses Hey Ram to literally enact the drama of the “regional” difference (not to mention communal difference) vis-a-vis the symbolic heart of India, Mahatma Gandhi himself. This is about more than just the fact that the film’s protagonist is Tamil Brahmin Saket Ram, out to avenge himself on the nation’s father; rather, one realizes very soon that almost every memorable character in the film is testimony to the “regional”, be it a Pathan Muslim, Saket Ram’s Bengali wife, or his Sindhi friend. In fact, the film’s casting of culturally “authentic” Hema Malini as a Tamilian is itself slyly subversive, inasmuch as it takes a “national” icon and “regionalizes” her in a very direct way. The extremist Abhayankar and the wicked Altaf are far more “mainstream”, of course — not coincidentally, if the film has villains, they undoubtedly fit the bill. Towards the film’s end it is in fact the Pathan’s knowledge of Tamil that enables him and Saket to escape the mob at their heels, a literal staging of the hope that acknowledgment of political difference — here the sub-national — might enable us to sidestep the overarching manias of national projects (problematic not so much because they are manias but because they are overarching projects), including projects like Abhayankar’s. Perhaps most wondrous of all is the fact that not a trace of anti-Indian sentiment animates Hey Ram, though this isn’t surprising to those who have followed Kamal’s interviews. The film is not embarrassed to embrace India, but equally, is consistent with a view that does not see patriotism as involving any sub-national compromise, and certainly no compromise of a humanity that is shared across communal and other boundaries. Perhaps as a result of its enactment of this conviction on a nationwide scale, Hey Ram might be the grandest “regional” film of them all, free not only to examine the national margins but also liberated from the stultifying restrictions of “mainstream” discourse within which it would be difficult to think the things Hey Ram thinks of. The result is a political film that is bolder than most, and a “regional” film that meditates on issues that resonate nationally, even globally. Virumaandi illustrates another aspect of the “difference” I started out with. On the face of it, the tale of a violent inter-village conflict in Madurai district sounds like the sort of “local” film any number of directors mindful of making “authentic” Tamil films could have made. Once again (and more clearly here than in Hey Ram) it is Kamal’s recourse to broader aesthetic and political concerns that distinguishes the film, which touches upon Kurosawa’s Rashomon, capital punishment, and the injustice of the justice system. Simultaneously, Virumaandi strives to be a rip-roaring “massy” action film as well as the sort of rural study Bharathiraja was once known for — in short, about as recognizably Tamil a film as one could ask for. The melange is not always seamless, but the parry (of the status quo, here represented by a hopelessly inadequate legal order) and thrust (of the “regional”, in the form of the ultra-Tamil feel of the film) clearly strikes a chord. Virumaandi is consistent with Kamal’s resistance to the homogenizing potential of the “regional” itself, and displays an ear for Tamil voices not often heard in mainstream cinema. Nor was Virumaandi the first time Kamal had explored the representation of voices that one might characterize as “marginal” to the Tamil cinematic mainstream, as films like Thenali, Nala Damayanti , and Anbe Sivam attest — indeed the first two quite literally focus on characters who speak a Tamil that is lived on the border as it were, between Sinhalese and Tamil in Thenali; and between Tamil and Malayalam in Nala Damayanti. (The third film explores a character beholden to an ideology — communism — that is as marginalized today as it has ever been.) With Kamal, it is clear, the hegemony of the national may not be replaced with the hegemony of an “authorized” regional voice, one which purports to stand for the authentic to the exclusion of others. Moreover, Nala Damayanti is especially relevant in the contemporary “globalized” world, given its doubly disorienting move: not only does the film’s protagonist speak the Palakkad Tamil of the Tamil Nadu-Kerala borderlands, but he is also an illegal immigrant in a strange land, adrift in a sea of English he cannot understand. Nala Damayanti, that is, illustrates yet again the ability of the “regional” film to explore global issues that the “mainstream”, almost by design, finds difficult to engage. If this essay is about anything, it is about more than the achievements of a single actor/filmmaker (and I have deliberately stressed the “filmmaker” Kamal here, leaving to others better qualified than I the task of thinking about Kamal’s performances and other contributions in light of this piece). Because the likes of Kamal have inspired others in Tamil cinema, not only at the purely superficial (albeit very welcome) level of technical proficiency, but visually and thematically as well. Rather than cite particular examples of filmmakers and actors who have followed Kamal, I will end by paraphrasing a critic I greatly respect, who had once said that prior to the mid-1980s there was no non-culturally specific reason to watch any Tamil films. The “difference” to which Kamal Haasan has helped give concrete form means this is simply not true anymore. How untrue it is in the grand scheme of things is an open question, and will turn (as it must) on those who follow. Kamal has done his part — and, fittingly enough, not just “locally”: while the Kamal “difference” is a different animal from the (overly optimistic) crossover concerns that seem to occupy far too many in the Hindi film industry these days, it has nevertheless left its mark even there, principally by way of the manner in which the likes of Aamir Khan have begun to approach their films — with seriousness, ambition, and the desire to rescue popular cinema from both global blandness and “native” cliche. It is not a question of creative influence so much as it is one of mindset. A mindset that is best situated to result in global critical recognition for India’s popular cinemas, and in a manner such that they do not cease to be voices of our many Indias.

  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Sep 20 3:41:57 2007.

  Hmmmm had so much struggle getting into the hub, specially in to TF section . TF section is the most difficult one to access these days
  
  Euquanimus, Thanks for all those wonderful posts. Have to revisit PKS.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 20 12:26:36 2007.

  roshan, u have any technical probs accessing the hub? i have some probs some times, [inspite of a 3 mbps broadband]and wondering why
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Sep 20 13:18:43 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  roshan, u have any technical probs accessing the hub? i have some probs some times, [inspite of a 3 mbps broadband]and wondering why

  
  
  Yes ! we all are experiencing this problem since Firday evening. Hub admin is trying their best to fix it. I am not sure whether I can post this message or not. More than accessing, posting has become quite cumbersome due to the said technical issue.
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Fri Sep 21 0:43:55 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: roshan, u have any technical probs accessing the hub? i have some probs some times, [inspite of a 3 mbps broadband]and wondering why Yes ! we all are experiencing this problem since Firday evening. Hub admin is trying their best to fix it. I am not sure whether I can post this message or not. More than accessing, posting has become quite cumbersome due to the said technical issue.

  
  
  i thought Hub was banned in our office
  
  i hope now the problem is fixed
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 28 9:21:47 2007.

  A superb debut by Deepauk in the definitive Kamal blog, close on the heels of our own Prabhu Ram.
  
  http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2007/09/28/kamal-a2z-anbe-sivam/
  
  

  Quote:

  To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, a stupid man’s report of what a clever man intends to portray on screen may never be accurate. Nevertheless I shall attempt an interpretation. The movie has been alternately hailed and dismissed from different sections for various reasons. I will touch on the screenplay and the characterizations, two items that are sometimes knocked. A frequent criticism leveled against the movie is the script, especially the flashback sequence. A simple exercise to determine if a scene is superfluous to a screenplay is to remove that scene or sequence and see if the movie still holds together. Anbe Sivam stands up to this test very well. Apart from 2 songs (an occupational hazard in the Indian Film Industry), the removal of any scene would rip through the entire fabric of the movie. Some sequences while clichéd from a birds eye view are less so when examined. The minor banalities in structure are acknowledged by the writer through Madhavan’s “Puratchi Kathaanayagan Thimiru pudicha Kadhaanayagi” (dashing hero, arrogant heroine) dialogue.The entire sequence in Bala’s house serves to emphasize the romance, Kandaswami Padaiyaachi’s opportunistic theism and finally the reason for Bala’s continued involvement with Nalla. The action sequence sets up the scene afterward in the police station (the actor playing the inspector is a riot). It forces Nalla to come to terms with the consequences of his dalliance with the daughter of the man whose policies he resents. I would like to mention 2 specific scenes that contrast the range of anecdotes that were drawn upon to deliver exposition in the movie. First, the portentous scene about the Tsunami that plays out in the Bhubaneshwar Hotel; the description of the photography-enthusiast consumed by the seas is supposedly based on a tragedy that befell a close friend (source: Kamal the writer himself in an interview to Sun TV). The scenes at the mural unveiling in Kandaswami Padaiyachi’s office are based on, I presume, Diego Rivera’s mural for the Rockefeller Center (a point to note here is Nalla’s allegiance, much like Russell, lies more with Marx than with Lenin). Referencing an intensely personal experience as well as global pop culture in the same movie should be a stretch, but it is pulled off with consummate ease. The obvious strengths in the Nalla role apart, what is really meant to step out of the movie and slap the average yuppie viewer’s face is the Anbarasu character. Madhavan delivers the wake up call well, combining socially accepted selfishness and naivete’ with aplomb. Even small characters like the members of the Koothupattarai (street play troupe in Tamil Nadu), Mehrunnisa and Pounkunju in particular, are given a lot of depth. And for the piece-de-resistance we return to Nalla. For nearly 2 hours the man is infallible. He has fought the Indian government and won, waded through floods, chased a train, lost and donated blood and through his generally gregarious nature managed to traverse nearly the entire east coast of the country on a leg and a half. And then suddenly the self-assured “last-word-freak” has all his insecurities laid out in one line. “Manaivingurathu oru karpanai walking stick. Manam Nondaama Irukkanum Ille” (”The concept of wife is an imaginary walking stick. The mind shouldn’t go lame, right?”). Nalla’s imaginary walking stick clearly shows Kamal Haasan’s imagination needs none.

  
  
  And here is a very interesting comment in reply to that post:
  
  

  Quote:

  Deepauk, That was a superb write-up on the film, especially some compelling notes on the flashback sequence. Yours truly is one of those who think the flashback pulls the movie down (in general, unlike most Kamal fans, I don’t place this film in the league of the best Kamal films), but that’s not to question the writing that went into these sequences. If anything, it’s the strong writing that saves the flashback. But, honestly, the way these sequences are staged and executed left things to be desired. I love the way Kamal delivers the walking-stick line in broken pieces of words with a sort of cheerfulness, but it doesn’t betray his insecurity as much as acknowledge it. On a different note, one can see that the writer Kamal exploring “the tragicomic” so effectively in this film, right from the scenes in the flood-affected Bhubaneshwar till they reach a railway station in Andhra. (Subtle, ironic and dark humour has always been Kamal’s forte, but nowhere did the humour got overtly tragicomic as here.) For example, the scene where he talks about his father’s death [*]; or when Mehrunissa opens her heart about her love for Nalla. That scene is very funny but also touching. Why, in this scene, Nalla actually says, “azhuvaRadhA sirikkaRadhA ‘nnE theriyala…” Now this very line is repeated (’sirikkaRadhu’ precedes ‘azhuvaRadhu’ here!) in the last Kamal-written last venture — the underrated Mumbai Xpress, in which he explored “the tragicomic” more eloquently though it is rather unnoticed. The first scene with Avinasi, Daddu and Ahalya in Ahalya’s house is a good example. It is so funny because of the things the three say to the other two (especially Avinasi has “heartless” things to say here. One has to hear him reflect so blandly, “sOgamAna kadhai dhAn…” to believe it!). But, it’s also sad because we know what the characters are going through. But for the dragging sequences with Chettiar in the car and ACP SP Rao on the phone in the last hour, this one is quite a Kamal special for me. If only Kamal had not gone all-out in designing a farcical web of confusion (and obligatory automobile chases) that dragged more than tickle the funny bone, this one would have been right up there. * - It was Gollapudi Maruthi Rao’s son, Gollapudi Srinivas, who died in a similar accident. The Gollapudi Srinivas National award is also instituted in his memory. Rao is a writer and his friendship with Kamal goes a long way back. And, of course, he has acted in many Kamal films like Swathi Muthyam, Indrudu Chandrudu, Hey! Ram (as Govardhan). This is his personal website.

  
  

• From: Alek Niranjan on Tue Oct 2 2:37:49 2007.

  [tscii]
  Kamalhassan the Maestro Speaks
  =========================
  
  http://desitrain.com/2006/08/14/kamal-hassan-the-maestro-speaks/
  
  Kamal Hassan : The Maestro speaks
  
  The maestro speaks… and wow!!!
  
  Kamal Hassan talks about making films on his own terms to Subhash K Jha @ Mumbai Mirror
  
  Why have you been maintaining such a low profile?
  
  I’m 50 now. I have suddenly realised how much time I’ve wasted. I should’ve planned my dream Maridunayagam more carefully. I need 40 more years as a filmmaker. Although it may seem so, I’m not a workaholic. I took one entire year (1990) off thinking I could afford it. I’m one of the few filmmakers in Chennai who takes every Sunday off.
  
  You’ve been around for 30-odd years as a leading man. What changes do you notice in the film industry?
  
  I’m still trying to execute those dreams that I had at 19. I agree that the Tamil industry is quite stagnant. But as long as I live to tell the story, I guess I’m going to do so.
  
  Aren’t your films very expensive?
  
  All the films I do for external productions are within the budget. When I did Hey Ram on my own, it cost as much as Shankar’s Hindustani, although it was a bi-lingual. When it comes to my films, the forthcoming film has to be better than the earlier ones.
  
  Are your dreams getting bigger?
  
  No. I don’t believe in daydreaming. But Maridunayagam remains one of my dreams. Now, I can get most of the finance in India, but only if my next few films do well. Luckily, portions where I’m supposed to look younger have all been shot so that my growing older in person would become a part of the narrative.
  
  
  Is it becoming difficult for you to make films on your own terms?
  
  It’s always difficult, whether on my own or on others’ terms. But I’ve no complaints. I’m a pampered technocrat. Filmmaking is not an isolated endeavour; it’s like fighting a war. You can lose any time. Your soldiers might fail you. Your courage might fail you.
  
  Singing is an abiding passion for you, isn’t it?
  
  I’ve sung about 50 songs for my films and majority of them are in Tamil. My father wanted me to become a singer, a classical vocalist. I learnt classical singing but not to the level he wanted. Due to my other pursuits, I couldn’t take up singing seriously. Now, my daughter Shruti is learning Hindustani classical music.
  
  What do you feel about another Kamal Hassan coming up in the industry?
  
  They’re already there, though they aren’t my direct offsprings. My replacement is probably smiling at me and calling me passe. I only hope I can groom him without jealousy (laughs). I remember commenting on my seniors’s performances. We’d look at MGR and Sivaji Ganesan films and wonder why they did some of the films that they did. Of course, we became eager chelas once we entered the industry.
  
  Where are the replacements for you and Rajnikant?
  
  Earlier, people used to say that no one could replace Sivaji Ganesan, and he would modestly say that his replacement would arrive. It took a long time for Sivaji saab to see a spark in me —he took me seriously as an actor after 17 years. I’m being realistic when I say a replacement will come. There are so many gifted new boys. And I’m eager to encourage them.
  
  What do you enjoy the most—acting, producing, screenwriting or directing?
  
  That depends on which of these capacities are required for, at any given time. I was a reluctant actor who was cajoled into acting. Now I enjoy it too much to give it up. There’s so much applause you get. But if my visiting card read ‘Kamal Hassan, Actor’ I’d be slightly perturbed.
  
  When your ex- wife Sarika had a near-fatal fall you subconsciously recorded the incident for future reference?
  
  That’s a common trait among actors. Though I can detach myself from tragedy, no one is immune to tears and fears. As an actor I’ve recorded a number of tragedies for reference. But this was one crisis where I kept the actor completely at bay. However, the child within me remained curious about the fall and wanted to know the technical details. That didn’t in any way, diminish my affection for my wife. But the truth is, I was seeing a bizarre screenplay in my mind. I went from shock to gloom within no time.
  
  So you realised that audiences’ tastes couldn’t be trusted?
  
  No, the same audience that accepted me in this film also wanted to know when I would do more films like Moondaram Pirai, Thevar Magan and Appu Raja.
  
  What about your Hindi films after Ek Duuje Ke Liye?
  
  Some were obvious failures. But they didn’t affect me. I did them out of friendship. My failure in Hindi cinema was more conspicuous because those Hindi films took longer to finish. If they were completed on schedule I would have done 50 films during the same time. I chose to stay away from Hindi films because I’ve a short life and there’s lots of work to be done. Some of my best friends took forever to make their films. Ramesh Sippy took two years to make Saagar.
  
  You have a formidable acting reputation to back up your films in Mumbai.
  
  I’m just a musafir (traveller) in Mumbai. I drop in once in a while and shake up the statusquo as I come and go. I’m not present in the market to generate faith in my standing. So when I do come with a film they say, “Ah phir aa gaya?!” But in Tamil Nadu it’s another story. Alabandhan is being looked upon as a huge event.
  
  Is there a Dravidian prejudice in Mumbai, because Madhavan too is facing the same kind of stumbling block.
  
  But Madhavan is facing a stumbling block in Chennai as well. If in Mumbai he’s seen as a Madrasi boy, then in Chennai he’s the Bombay guy. It’s unfortunate to enounter so many parochial attitudes. To a large extent, Tamil cinema is free of those biases.
  
  Many of your fans feel that Mani Ratnam’s Nayakan is your best film till date.
  
  It’s an important film. But even Mani Ratnam would say his best is still to come. Now when we’re thinking of working together again we’re scared whether we’d get an equally powerful script.
  
  Was Nayakan designed as a desi Godfather?
  
  Yes, both Mani Ratnam and I are great fans of Mario Puzo and Francis Coppola. All the same, we wanted to get away from the Hollywood stereotype and remake Nayakan into our environmnt.
  
  Were you offered the Hindi remake of Nayakan?
  
  No. Feroz Khan wanted to do it. That’s why he bought the rights. As for my opinion of the Hindi version, Mani Ratnam and I share the same opinion—they missed the point.
  
  What do you think about the frenzied fusion of cinema and politics in Tamil Nadu?
  
  It started with the DMK who wanted a propaganda tool. When C N Annadurai started the DMK party, it was not a contesting party. Annadurai was also a screenwriter. When he died, Karunanidhi was unanimously chosen as his undisputed successor. After 1967, Tamil Nadu hasn’t seen a single non-cinema Chief Minister. Even NT Rama Rao in Andhra Pradesh saw the close link between cinema and politics through MGR. NTR played almost every role in Telugu cinema that MGR played in Tamil and also had a religious aura to his personality.
  
  Why have you and your guru Sivaji Ganesan shied away from politics?
  
  I have. He hasn’t. He won several elections and even started his own party. He lost his focus on cinema for a while. How could I advise him against it? How can you tell the headmaster to run the school? We disciples humbly murmured our disapproval.
  
  What do you think about Rajnikant as an actor?
  
  When we were still in our 20s I had asked him why he was so stylised on screen. He said that’s the secret of his future success. I assured him that my style would also be a winner. He turned around to say, ‘Fair enough. You do your thing and I’ll do my own.’ Rajni is a phenomenon too. Both of us were young actors who started from scratch. We didn’t have fathers to make movies for us. But we had the same godfather K Balachander. It’s quite strange, but our paths as actors were always intertwined. We made our way up together.
  
  Are you keen on doing a film with Rajnikant?
  
  It depends. He said if we do a film together he wouldn’t direct it. It has to be either me or someone else. It would be interesting to do a film with him. At the Thenali silver jubilee function Rajni recalled an incident when he was riding pillion on my bike. When the bike skidded Rajni asked if I knew how to ride a bike! I assured him that even if I fell, I wouldn’t let him fall. I was so touched when Rajni said at the function, ‘That’s what happened in our careers. He never let me fall. In 1983, when I wanted to leave everything behind it was Kamal who cajoled me back to the material world.’ I guess we’ll do a film together. We’re worried about the expectations.
  
  You’re accused of becoming increasingly self-indulgent in your films.
  
  I was self-indulgent earlier. I am an actor who can do Bharat Natyam and Kuchipudi, skid on a motorbike and select films from different languages for a remake. Is that being self-indulgent? I don’t think so.
  
  Anil Kapoor has done a large number of your Tamil films in Hindi.
  
  Somewhere he must admire the way I conduct my career. Maybe he wanted to use some of my career tricks. But no re-make can be the same as the original. Even Moondram Pirai and Sadma aren’t the same though they were done with the same cast and crew. Just as Shakespeare’s Othello is played by so many actors why can’t two actors in India interpret the same character in two languages? I was offered the chance to do the Hindi remake of my Swathi Muthyam (which Anil Kapoor eventually did as Eeshwar) by Raj Kapoor. If I had taken the offer I’d have belonged to one of the most illustrious film families in India, just as I belong to Sivaji Saab’s family.
  
  Where do you think our cinema stands globally?
  
  It’s time for our films to move ahead of V Shantaram’s musical milieu. I may not succeed playing a vigilante. It’s not enough for a Mani Ratnam or a Kamal Hassan to change the status quo. We need more celluloid reformists. It happened in Karnataka through a government-sponsored scheme. Suddenly, I was very proud of a neighbouring state. I’d run to Karnataka just to be part of the cinematic revolution at a time when Tamil Nadu was making crappy commercial films. Just being in B V Karanth’s house was comforting. I feel the same movement can start in any part of the country. Why should we depend on Mumbai for it? I think our cinema has never grown up since Shantaramji’s days. But I’m trying.
  
  Why this aversion to songs and music?
  
  I’ve this Guru Dutt-like background. I used to be a dance composer. In four years, I must have choreographed about a hundred songs. As an actor I’ve done about 500 songs. To me songs make commercial sense, in the same way that whores make sense to someone in the prostitution business. As an actor, songs often seem stupid. I played a psychopath in the Tamil film Red Rose. Everyone expected me to go on stage and sing a pop number with girls. I told my director that a serial killer doesn’t sing. In our films everyone from a dentist to a follower of Vinobha Bhave sings and dances. I’m fed up of bringing music into every aspect of life on screen. We don’t need to mix genres. At the moment we’re cooking up a strange gypsy dish made up of leftovers and disposable food.
  
  Do you feel music is a huge impediment to our cinema’s progress?
  
  Yes. My greatest disappointment was when my hero Shyam Benegal succumbed to the song trap in Zubeidaa. See how the film industry is coercing some of our greatest filmmakers. When I first saw his work. I remember meeting him after Ankur and I asked him the name of his next film. He said, ‘We don’t have to name the film now since we don’t have to sell our songs.” I admired him for that. Now I can understand his desire to be market-friendly. We all have to change. He’s still my hero.
  
  Your fans want your talent to be recognised in the West.
  
  They should stop dreaming of an Oscar for me. Oscar isn’t the ultimate reward for an Indian actor. Hollywood doesn’t allow us to participate on an equal level; we can participate only as foreigners. It cannot be a world endorsement of cinematic excellence. It doesn’t even endorse American cinema fully. My dream project is to create a film festival like Cannes in Chennai where the top prize would be one million dollars. Then we’ll have Hollywood participating without reservation.
  
  Do you think our cinema is finally being noticed abroad?
  
  We need to take our cinema forward and free it from bigotry. I’m bored with what we’re doing. I’ve my own sensibilities as a filmmaker. I want to apply these to international standards. Hollywood comprises multi-cultural talent. Likewise, we need to wear our cultural badge and still look cosmopolitan.
  
  There’s a lot of speculation about your personal life.
  
  A broken marriage isn’t a crime. In Tamil Nadu, the press seems to respect my feelings. I’m a child of the Tamil industry. I’ve gone through grief. I repeat, give me my privacy. It’s my fundamental right.
  
  Your problems have made you compassionate.
  
  I always believe there’s no such thing as luck for those who deserve it. You’ve to work hard for it. I paid the price for wanting to be a director. I lost money but I gained critical fame. Now I wonder if the bargain was worth it. As a struggler, I dreamt of owning several cars, living in an air-conditioned home etc. I was paid Rs 15,000 per film and I was doing 10 films at the time. I wanted to cross the Rs 100,000 bracket and act in only one film at a time. Today I’ve many luxuries and liabilities including alimony. But my dream of making films hasn’t died.
  
  

• From: Alek Niranjan on Tue Oct 2 2:45:59 2007.

  [tscii]Gandhi Jayanthi Special
  =====================
  
  Gandhi - written by Kamal Hassan
  
  =========================
  
  
  Kamal Hassan On Gandhi
  
  Ahimsa is a rather intricate idiom. It is akin to what you would term as Nirvana. Both are quite close or perchance inter-related. Ahimsa is as complex as integrity to put into practice. Nonetheless, just because it is becoming more and more difficult to practice, you cannot decry wisdom. You can probably modify it. I am sure I will come under flak from various quarters. But then it is a sort of fate that even wiser people had to face, like Mr Gandhi himself. He said something because he had the audacity and the honesty and the integrity to publicly accept and contradicts his deeds, criticise his mistakes, change track and say ‘I am sorry’ in public. I think that is what I admire by the gentleman.
  
  There are very few people whose photographs I keep. I don’t even display my awards. I have had some asinine moments as an adolescent when I have had some pin-ups of actors and actresses with me. But those have been fleeting moments. I am a great aficionado of Charles Darwin and Subramanya Bharati too. But I have never kept their photographs.
  
  What inspires me most is Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi — his attitude and approach to life. I have always felt that icons should not be idolised and stuffed with their halos and angels floating around them. It robs me of the hope that I could be like them. It is only humanising them that gives me hope in my life.
  
  And India is capable of throwing up many more Gandhis. It need not be me. At least I can aspire to be. I may fail in the process, but it is a great thing to be involved in the process in the first place.
  
  There have been great people in this country. I am one of them. I hope I am one of them. Charlie Chaplin has a great sense of humour. Many people can imitate what he did. But that is an imitation.
  
  There have been others, but I am able to hazily comprehend Gandhi much better. He suits my contemporary living time. Shivaji or Buddha don’t. What is suitable for me is what Gandhi had to offer. I am still looking around and shopping.
  
  Gandhi is my hope, my friend. Do not rob my kith and kin away from me by making them messiahs of God. They are humans like me and fallible. I like to keep them on the human level. That gives me hope.
  
  ‘Be the change, you want in society,’ said Gandhi. Buddha and Gandhi became a change. There is a dialogue attributed to Gandhi in one of my earlier films Hey Ram, which says, ‘Everyone is a Mahatma or an animal’. You have to be one. So the Mahatma is not a specific post. It is a metaphysical word for a better person.
  
  Yes, it is an easier and better view when I sat away from it. I could understand what was the problem with Godse and Nehruji. That gives me the equipoise, which they could not have had.
  
  That is why I can understand Gandhi much better.
  
  WRITTEN BY KAMAL HASSAN
  
  http://www.radiosargam.com/films/archives/5364/gandhi-written-by-kamal-hassan.html
  
  

• From: Alek Niranjan on Tue Oct 2 2:48:49 2007.

  Gandhi Jayanthi Special II
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  
  http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2000/feb/18ram.htm
  
  Liked Hey! Ram
  Mahesh Nair
  
  At the end of the movie, I walked up to Kamal Haasan and asked him, "What is the kind of reaction you are getting for Hey! Ram?" Kamal was his usual cryptic self, "This is an ususual movie, so I am getting some unusual responses." Read on and you'll know what he meant...
  
  My dear Kamal,
  
  I believe you have made a film on someone called Saket Ram who was hell bent on killing me. I am extremely grateful to you because the whole world thinks that Nathuram Godse was the only man who made an assassination attempt on me! If truth be told, there were many more who wanted to bump me off.
  
  I am willing to give you the names of all these people, if you let me die in peace.
  
  Yours sincerely,
  M K Gandhi
  
  P S: I am curious. If, instead of gasping "Hey Ram!", I had said "Hey Allah!" or "Hey Christ!", what would you have done?
  
  Dear Gandhiji,
  
  I am honoured, sir, that you have actually written to me! If you read the promotional material that I have supplied with the reviewer's kit, or seen any of the promos that are currently airing on television, you may notice my favourite explanatory line: "This is not an attempt to fix responsibilities for blunders committed, but a reminder that those blunders might happen yet again."
  
  Yes, I am very excited about your proposition. Please do give me list of all those people. I am sure the rest of my movie-making career will be taken care of.
  
  Yours humbly,
  Kamal Haasan
  
  P S: If truth be told, no one heard you saying even "Hey Ram!" I tried to listen carefully to what Naseeruddin Shah (who plays you) mumbled during our takes. But every time we shot him with the blank pistol, the sound was so deafening that we couldn't catch a word of what he said. I hope you forgive me for taking artistic liberties.
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  I am a middle class housewife, living in Ballygunge Circular Road for the past 50 years. Like Aparna (played by Rani Mukherjee), I am a teacher -- though I can bet that I make more money by taking tuition for girls from Loretto School. I also do better embroidery than Aparna's version of Kali, which you carry in the movie like a zombie. While I do not want to share her cruel fate (I shudder to think of how she was raped mercilessly by all those fundamentalists), I am dying to know one thing from you. Never in my entire life has my husband made love to me and played the piano like you did with Aparna!
  
  Should I throw out my old piano and bring a new model?
  
  Kakoli Bhattacharya,
  Kolkatta
  
  Dear Kamal Uncle,
  
  I am a student finishing my school and wanted to ask for some career advice. I very much want to become an archaeologist, especially after I saw you and Shah Rukh uncle digging for skeletons in Mohenjodaro. But my uncle, who is a journalist, says that it is quite unlikely that you may have come across skeletons in Mohenjodaro even in 1930 -- he says it's tough to see one after 2000 years. But he adds that if I can have a wife like Rani Mukherjee, it is okay to become an archaeologist.
  
  I know you really are an excellent archaeologist. You do have a knack of digging up historical skeletons. Please tell me whether I can I apply for the archaeology course right after school or after college?
  
  Rishabh,
  Class IX
  
  Dear Rishabh,
  
  If you want to dig historical skeletons, please send a letter to Dr Murli Manohar Joshi, c/o the Indian Council of Historical Research.
  
  If you want to dig purely for the pleasure of digging, then join MTNL or the Madras Sewage and Water Supply Board or the Delhi Electrical Supply Undertaking.
  
  If you want to dig for stuff that does not exist, become a film-maker.
  
  You don't need to finish school to join any of the above professions.
  
  Wishing you all the best.
  Kamal Uncle
  
  Mr Kamal Haasan,
  
  We are very annoyed with how you have projected our dear animal brothers in your film. You have called goats Hindus and Muslims, shown an elephant tied up with a chain and even had Vasundhara Das screaming at a lizard that falls on her. If that's not enough you, as Saket Ram, hallucinate that the lizard is drinking blood.
  
  Let us clarify.
  
  Goats are not Hindus and Muslims. In fact, they are mammals. Showing an elephant tied with a chain while the rest of the country is in patriotic fervour is to spread an irritating social stereotype. Lizards never drink blood. They only swallow their victims. And, finally, please pay damages to the poor lizard at whom Vasundhara screamed. It has lost its hearing ever since.
  
  Dear Mr Haasan,
  
  I am sorry I do not understand your movie. Just because your wife has been raped and killed by Muslim fundamentalists, you blame Mahatma Gandhi for pampering Muslims during the pre-Partition days. But if you had been a Muslim and your wife was raped and killed by Hindu fundamentalists, you would have blamed Gandhi again, right?
  
  If the problem is with Gandhi, then why show women being raped by some particular community? Are you not propagating harmful stereotypes? In fact, the real problem is not with Gandhi. It is with you.
  
  Also when people like you in the media stop using rape as a weapon of revenge? Why couldn't you, for instance, have shown your brother being slaughtered and then taken revenge for it?
  
  K Ramalingam
  
  Dear Mr Ramalingam,
  
  Hey! Ram is not be understood. It is to be felt!
  
  Yours respectfully,
  Kamal Haasan
  
  Dear Mr Haasan,
  
  What is the thematic content of your film? What's the genre you are trying to follow?
  
  Sincerely
  Movietime critic
  
  Dear Shri Haasan,
  
  We in the top rung of the RSS cadre saw the movie yesterday. Till the interval, we were very pleased that you have put our struggle for the Hindu rashtra in a proper perspective. However, post-intermission, we think that by softening the character of Saket Ram you have betrayed our trust.
  
  We object to the following points in your film:
  
  1. Shriram Abhyankar (played very convincingly by Atul Kulkarni) has a very important conversation with Saket Ram, where he is speaking of why Hindus are the shikaar (victims) of Gandhi. However, his dialogue is abruptly cut off by the police who spot him in the tram. Abhyankar runs and dives into the Hooghly. We object to the police interruption. Moreover, the Abhyankar we know does not know how to swim.
  
  2. You have shown our friend pracharaks having a party at the Maharaja's (Vikram Gokhale) home on Dusshera day. You have shown them drinking som ras. They are watching an erotic Lavani performance. And our new-found pracharak Saket Ram, after a few drinks, is shown to get extremely excited and can't keep his hands off his wife, Mythili (Vasundhara Das).
  
  We object to partying on Ram Navami. Instead of the Lavani, you should have shown women reciting a bhajan. To show our cadre getting horny and chasing women openly (even if it is one's wife) is highly degrading.
  
  3. Lastly, the Maharaja has a roomful of imported arms and Saket Ram picks up a Mauser to kill the Mahatma. We firmly and categorically disapprove of all foreign imports.
  
  The Brothers,
  Nagpur
  
  P S: We are curious. The name Kamal Haasan -- were your ancestors from Lahore?
  
  Dear Nagpur Brothers,
  
  Before you burn my effigy, please ignore the stuff I wrote to Mahatma Gandhi. All that bit about Hey! Ram "being not an attempt to fix responsibilities for blunders committed, but a reminder that those might yet happen again."
  
  Yours in fear,
  Kamal Haasan
  
  P S: Kamal as in lotus, held by Saraswati, Lakshmi and all our devis. Haasan as in the town of Hassan. I have never heard of Lahore since I've never visited Paris.
  
  Machan Kamal,
  
  You will forever try to make movies that are patriotic and full of crap. You may get all the National Awards. But our claps and money is reserved for Rajini only.
  
  Rajinikanth Nadigar Mandram
  Madras
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  After Dilip Kumar and Amitabh Bachchan's face-off in Shakti, I think the face-off between you and Shah Rukh Khan is the best in Indian cinema. It is amazing that Shah Rukh did not ham in the film like he does mostly. I am sure he will get the best supporting actor's award.
  
  Love,
  Priti Mathur
  
  Dear Priti,
  
  I have conveyed what you said to Shah Rukh and he wants you to do him a favour: Please see Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani!
  
  Love, Kamal
  
  Dear Mr Haasan,
  
  Could I please meet you for a business proposal? We make world class animation and are appalled by what you have done with Hey! Ram. That special effects where Saket Ram and Mythili, wrapped in a satin sheet in bed, plunge into ecstatic depths is worse than the plunge which the little boy takes in our Sundrop ad. And that morphing bit is a piece of technology that is as old as Michael Jackson's Black or white music video.
  
  Shyam Ramana
  Crest Communication
  
  My dearest Kamalji,
  
  How could you have kissed Rani and Vasundhara?? And you don't even do a good job of it. I bet Sarika was there!!! May you rot in heaven...
  
  Heartbroken,
  Divya
  
  Dear Divya,
  
  To tell you frankly, I was afraid of the RSS!
  
  Yours truly,
  Kamal
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  By renouncing the world and his family ties in that wonderful scene at the ghats in Kashi, Saket Ram has proved that it is not necessary for widows to run away from home. They can attend marriage parties like Vasundhara Das's grandmother did in the movie. We, the widows of Vrindavan, want you to make Water.
  
  Widows of Vrindavan
  
  P S: It was a pleasure listening to D K Pattamal singing Vaishnavo Jayato.
  
  Dear Kamalbhai,
  
  I think it is a brilliant masterstroke to make a movie about the Mahatma, have some songs and dialogues in Bengali, Marathi, Tamil, English and Hindi. Now we can get tax free status from state governments, a National Award and even an Oscar nomination!
  
  Bharatbhai
  
  Dear Bharatbhai,
  
  How else could I get money to complete Marudhanayagam? My sixth sense (now that's a movie which we need to discuss; it's a script where I will play the character of the boy, Bruce Willis and all the ghosts) tells me we will laugh all the way to the Tamil Nadu Mercantile Bank.
  
  Warm regards,
  Kamal
  
  P S: Will you please reduce your interest rate?
  
  Shri Kamalji,
  
  Please change the title to Shri Ram. Hey! Ram is irreverant and westernised. If you don't, then please be ready to bear the consequences.
  
  Jai Shri Ram
  Bajrang Dal
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  After the preview, a journalist asked me what was I doing in the film looking pensively at a pair of slippers that was supposed to be Bapu's and then looking out of a window in the end when the credits were rolling.
  
  Do you think acting is for me?
  
  Yours sincerely,
  Tushar Gandhi
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  Can you please return those slippers? Tushar's size is larger and he may damage mine.
  
  M K Gandhi
  
  P S: Naseer did a good job. Tell him to take care otherwise he may get shot too.
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  Very clever of you to use black and white when you are showing present, i e, 1999. Usually people think only flashbacks are in B/W.
  
  One doubt. The make-up on Hemaji when she is old is the same that your co-star who acted as your wife in Indian used, right?
  
  One more doubt. Why do you as Saket Ram in old age also look like the Mahatma?
  
  Dinanath Dresswala
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  I think Illayraja did a wonderful job with the background score. Or was it a leftover from L Subramaniam's compositions?
  
  Yours curiously,
  A R Rahman
  
  Dear A R,
  
  How can you even ask such a question after what you have done with Peter Gabriel's Passion?
  
  Kamal
  
  Shri Kamal Haasan,
  
  We, the residents of this colony in New Delhi, are extremely hurt that you have named your principal character after our colony. Henceforth, please be notified that Gate No A, B, and C (next to the government school) will forever be closed to you. Also we will hold a demonstration at the PVR cinema complex if the film is screened there.
  
  Yours sincerely,
  The Saket Residents Welfare Association
  New Delhi
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  Liked your movie.
  
  Thanks
  Mahesh Nair
  
  

• From: NOV on Sat Oct 6 10:01:07 2007.

  watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch
  
  most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours.
  altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse.
  
  a classic to be revered.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sat Oct 6 13:46:52 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours. altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse. a classic to be revered.

  that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil...
  
  also, the character of kaveri was enacted by 3 girls.. the girl in the brothel is a real-life pro.. sangeetha enacts kaveri in the climax of the movie..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Oct 6 16:12:18 2007.

  http://madippakkam.blogspot.com/2007/09/blog-post_7539.html
  
  a blogger recalls kamal's writings in Mayyam
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Oct 7 0:01:57 2007.

  Initially, i also felt that smooch scene was unnecessary. However, after looking at perspectives of people like PR and others, after seeing the film again many times, i am convinced, that is one of the most natural and essential kissing scenes in movies ever!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sun Oct 7 3:03:45 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  NOV wrote: watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours. altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse. a classic to be revered. that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil... also, the character of kaveri was enacted by 3 girls.. the girl in the brothel is a real-life pro.. sangeetha enacts kaveri in the climax of the movie..

  
  
  ennA mAthiri rumours ellAm varuthu paarunga. That girl is a TV artist and I have seen her in TV serials some time back. Her mom too is a TV artist. I have seen both the mom and daughter mentioning about Mahanadhi experience in an interview.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Oct 7 5:29:09 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: NOV wrote: watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours. altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse. a classic to be revered. that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil...