Sindhanai Selvar Dr.Kamal HaasaR - favourite movies,scenes,s

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• From: alwarpet_andavan on Mon Nov 20 23:48:15 2006.

  In avaL appadithAn, in the scene where Aandavar reads a letter from his father, there is a voice-over reading the letter. It sounded like Ananthu's voice. Can anyone confirm this pl?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Nov 20 23:54:37 2006.

  recently saw MMKR, performance and charecter diffrentiation by kamalji, kekkave vendaam...........apart, there is a 'kalavi'nice song by IR, sivaraaththiri........somehow that was pointed as the "most .........." song at that time, i dunno but when i saw the same, again, now, it seemed nothing "such" was there in that song.....why that hype was there, i dunno
  
  on a healthy discussion, can anyone list all the 'kalavi' songs of aandavar, and rate the best........i think iam not on wrong track, everything, of aandavar is for discusssion
  
  
  
  

• From: rachel on Tue Nov 21 0:00:02 2006.

  sindhanai selvar
  
  ennennomo ellam solrannga...onnumae puriyala
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 0:06:29 2006.

  puriyalanna vitrungalen..........last 10 years aaga, kamal padaththukku padam totally different, kamal, aalum every year transformation aagiraar, kamal fans naangal athai follow pannugirom, oru problem enraal aandavar eppadi think(sinthanai) seivaar enru kooda engalukku theriyum.......thalavarin manasu puriyum engalukku.....ungalukku puriyalanna vitrunga thappillai
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Nov 21 0:18:13 2006.

  Nalla title.........
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Tue Nov 21 1:29:56 2006.

  Nice Title man
  
  Sindhanai Selvar mattum alla... Saadhanai Selvarum kooda
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Nov 21 1:31:50 2006.

  rachel wrote:

  sindhanai selvar ennennomo ellam solrannga...onnumae puriyala

  ungalukku puriya, tiltle-a onnume illai...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 1:39:07 2006.

  1. nehthu raaththiri
  2. nila kaayuthu
  3. ponmenu uruguthey
  4. sivaraaththiri
  4. vaazavaikkum kaathalukku
  
  anything more???
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Nov 21 1:48:49 2006.

  Meendum meendum va...
  Poo potta dhavani... [SPB/Janaki 'antics' are dman hilarious! ]
  Vanithavani[?]
  
  When it comes to the worst , it has to be that Maharasan song...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Nov 21 2:03:53 2006.

  yeeaaa jodi manja kuruvi
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 2:18:31 2006.

  Polladha madana panam thakirichi(Hey Ram)
  
  Naan pooveduthu vekkanum pinnala (Naanum Oru Thozhilali)
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Nov 21 2:20:51 2006.

  Rajkumar_mj wrote:

  Polladha madana panam thakirichi(Hey Ram) Naan pooveduthu vekkanum pinnala (Naanum Oru Thozhilali)

  this line was criticised vehemently by aandavar just before virumandi release in an interview with madan.... that interview had some punch dialogues also...
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 2:22:41 2006.

  Unnai vida (Virumandi)
  
  Nooru Nooru Mutham poo pole (Indiran chandiran)
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Tue Nov 21 2:24:20 2006.

  not sure unnai vida but Indiran Chandran that song mayor will be dancing with his asst and a japanese.. i remember the music but not lyrics
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 3:41:57 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Rajkumar_mj wrote: Polladha madana panam thakirichi(Hey Ram) Naan pooveduthu vekkanum pinnala (Naanum Oru Thozhilali) this line was criticised vehemently by aandavar just before virumandi release in an interview with madan.... that interview had some punch dialogues also...

  
  
  i remember those punches, it was a general warning to krishnaswaami kind of politicians,,there was some music too, i was surprised to see aandavar doing such things, but anyway for the unnessesary tortures, he went trough, what he did was correct
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 3:43:21 2006.

  alwarpet_andavan wrote:

  Meendum meendum va... Poo potta dhavani... [SPB/Janaki 'antics' are dman hilarious! ] Vanithavani[?] When it comes to the worst , it has to be that Maharasan song...

  
  
  vanithamani was from vikram and that was niot a kalavi song i think, there was one with some north indian actrss, its a dream song in the second half, i think its meendum meendum vaa
  
  poo potta thavani - what film is this from?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 21 3:44:22 2006.

  the last kalavi song from aandavar should be heyraam, virumaandi is not 'that' much
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 3:49:19 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  vanithamani was from vikram and that was niot a kalavi song i think, there was one with some north indian actrss, its a dream song in the second half, i think its meendum meendum vaa poo potta thavani - what film is this from?

  
  
  This is from Kakki Sattai.
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Tue Nov 21 3:52:53 2006.

  Rajkumar_mj wrote:

  Unnai vida (Virumandi) Nooru Nooru Mutham poo pole (Indiran chandiran)

  
  
  The way Kamal dances, especially at the beginning of the song, was awesome....
  
  

• From: great on Tue Nov 21 3:53:09 2006.

  Salangai Oli
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Tue Nov 21 3:53:49 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  alwarpet_andavan wrote: Meendum meendum va... Poo potta dhavani... [SPB/Janaki 'antics' are dman hilarious! ] Vanithavani[?] When it comes to the worst , it has to be that Maharasan song... vanithamani was from vikram and that was niot a kalavi song i think, there was one with some north indian actrss, its a dream song in the second half, i think its meendum meendum vaa poo potta thavani - what film is this from?

  
  
  That was Dimple kapadia-man, wasn't she gorgeous
  
  Rumours were flying around the time that KH&she were having an affair as both of them did back-to-back films-Saagar(Hindi)&Vikram.
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Tue Nov 21 4:05:28 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  recently saw MMKR, performance and charecter diffrentiation by kamalji, kekkave vendaam...........apart, there is a 'kalavi'nice song by IR, sivaraaththiri........somehow that was pointed as the "most .........." song at that time, i dunno but when i saw the same, again, now, it seemed nothing "such" was there in that song.....why that hype was there, i dunno on a healthy discussion, can anyone list all the 'kalavi' songs of aandavar, and rate the best........i think iam not on wrong track, everything, of aandavar is for discusssion

  
  
  
  When the MMKR audio was released, this song and "Katha kelu" songs were not there - but instead another two songs "Aadi pattam" and a song in female voice were there.
  When I watched the movie - the Sivarathiri song was a pleasant surprise
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 4:19:34 2006.

  Manasu Mayangum Mouna Geetham padu (Sippikkul Muthu)
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Nov 21 4:21:49 2006.

  breadpuli wrote:

  When the MMKR audio was released, this song and "Katha kelu" songs were not there - but instead another two songs "Aadi pattam" and a song in female voice were there. When I watched the movie - the Sivarathiri song was a pleasant surprise

  
  
  Why that "Aadi Pattam thedi parthu" song was not shown in the movie ?
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Nov 21 12:51:42 2006.

  inchi idupazagi- from thevar magan..
  nee our kadal sangeetham..- nayagan
  i dunno the song ..(from soora samharam)
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Nov 21 22:56:28 2006.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  inchi idupazagi- from thevar magan.. nee our kadal sangeetham..- nayagan

  
  They aren't 'matter' songs in the sense Sakala meant
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  i dunno the song ..(from soora samharam)

  
  Naan enbadhu nee allavo devadevi.... [superb prelude!]
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Nov 22 9:34:44 2006.

  alwarpet_andavan wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: i dunno the song ..(from soora samharam) Naan enbadhu nee allavo devadevi.... [superb prelude!]

  I think it is Arunmozhi's debut song.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Nov 22 14:54:00 2006.

  The title card of Hey Ram says " En Aasan ananthuvirkku ithu samarpanam" as hey Ram came immediately after Ananthu's death...
  
  Infact Ananthu has directed some excellent movies like Sigaram and Oru Veedu Iru vaasal For Kavithaalaya...
  
  All the credits in KB movies mentions Ananthu as Kadhai vasanathil Udhavai - Ananthu... I think KB stole it all from Ananthu... To prove it, no KB movie or serial was a hit after Ananthu's period...
  
  Ironically, Rajini was also bred by Ananthu (there are always byproducts , when you try to refine for Gold or Petrol). In that program in Sun TV, he comes and neeli kaneer vadichuttu povar...
  
  PS:
  a post by kamal vignyaani vignesh from orkut... slightly edited to suit our hub
  
  

• From: Nerd on Wed Nov 22 14:57:09 2006.

  And you forgot to mention who was the by-product there
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Nov 22 15:01:03 2006.

  Nerd wrote:

  And you forgot to mention who was the by-product there

  kettu sollattumaa.. b'cos its not my article..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Nov 22 15:08:30 2006.

  Nerd wrote:

  And you forgot to mention who was the by-product there

  actually ur comprehending skills seems to be pathetic..
  
  

• From: Nerd on Wed Nov 22 15:24:43 2006.

  NO. It is not pathetic, the way that article is worded is pathetic, gives false notions, thats why I needed a confirmation
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Nov 22 19:14:32 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  The title card of Hey Ram says " En Aasan ananthuvirkku ithu samarpanam" as hey Ram came immediately after Ananthu's death...

  
  In fact it is more poetic than that. You see a pic of Ananthu with his writing pad and beside that u see the poem below read out by Kamal:
  
  இங்குதான் அனைத்துமே
  போவதென்ப தெவ்விடம்
  உமது நல்ல சீடருள்
  அவர்கள் புனையும் கதைகளுள்
  பல்கி வாழ வாழ்த்துவேன்
  அந்தம் அறு அனந்தனை
  
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  In that program in Sun TV, he comes and neeli kaneer vadichuttu povar...

  who ? which program in Sun TV ?
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  I think KB stole it all from Ananthu... To prove it, no KB movie or serial was a hit after Ananthu's period...

  Respecting Ananthu is one things but this is an extreme allegation. Was Ananthu part of KB's team even during the early stage-play days ? I don't know. And I think they split ways somewhere midway and there even the central theme in Sigaram is itself rather self-deprecatory. Am not even sure if they collaborated till Ananthu's end on all of KB's TV ventures. If you have any info about that it will make an interesting discussion, otherwise it will be difficult to take the allegation ,against one of our most important directors, too seriously.
  
  I think Oru Veedu iru vaasal was also directed by KB.
  
  

• From: thamiz on Wed Nov 22 19:24:50 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  All the credits in KB movies mentions Ananthu as Kadhai vasanathil Udhavai - Ananthu... I think KB stole it all from Ananthu...

  
  
  So what are you saying EXACTLY?
  
  Did anandhu talk to you personally and said that KB STOLE his story and got credit for it by sidelining him ?
  
  Or this is just your "herbal petrol theory" which will dissolve in the thin AIR!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Nov 22 19:30:07 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: All the credits in KB movies mentions Ananthu as Kadhai vasanathil Udhavai - Ananthu... I think KB stole it all from Ananthu... So what are you saying EXACTLY? Did anandhu talk to you personally and said that KB STOLE his story and got credit for it by sidelining him ? Or this is just your "herbal petrol theory" which will dissolve in the thin AIR!

  
  I suppose that they are his feelings.. he would have phrased it differently if Ananthu had managed to call him to explain things
  
  

• From: thamiz on Wed Nov 22 19:34:18 2006.

  Ask him to keep his feelings with himself. "Stealing" is a BIG WORD. Just a coincidence is NOT ENOUGH to accuse anybody!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Nov 22 19:38:38 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Ask him to keep his feelings with himself. "Stealing" is a BIG WORD. Just a coincidence is NOT ENOUGH to accuse anybody!

  
  The HUB is all about expressing one's feeling dude/dudette Anyways just kidding, I guess that does come across as a serious allegation, but he must be having a reason for it,i guess...
  
  

• From: thamiz on Wed Nov 22 19:45:32 2006.

  Of course one can express his feelings. But this kind of sweeping statements are JUST TOO MUCH. Especially when Ananthu never made any comments on KB or whatsoever.
  
  Well when we say someone copied some hollywood movie, we do show the 'plot of the movie' matching with the Tamil movie. We dont just accuse someone without any evidence or whatsoever, I believe!
  
  

• From: The Boss on Wed Nov 22 19:54:19 2006.

  haha nice title yar
  i think kamal had best preformance in aboorva sagotharargal. till today he has not said how he did that role.
  
  

• From: smith on Fri Nov 24 11:46:42 2006.

  I think KB owes some of his success to ananthu. The reason I say this is that kamal always held ananthu in very high esteem & that cannot be without reason. Ananthu also showed his talents in the only film he directed "Sigaram".
  
  Coming to kamal's best performances, there are many but for totality, I would single out nayagan, guna & anbe sivam.
  
  Especially guna. He was simply brilliant.
  
  Satyaraj came out after seeing the film & said that only 2 films have really moved him. One was paasamalar & the other was guna.
  
  

• From: great on Fri Nov 24 13:07:24 2006.

  Watch Sigappu Rojakkal @ 11 P.M , K. TV
  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on Fri Nov 24 13:08:41 2006.

  great wrote:

  Watch Sigappu Rojakkal @ 11 P.M , K. TV

  
  
  Thank u
  
  

• From: great on Fri Nov 24 13:11:12 2006.

  
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 24 13:12:32 2006.

  Sigappu Rojakkal
  
  

• From: romio on Fri Nov 24 14:18:52 2006.

  Sigapu rojakal is one of best psycho suspence thriller
  it has been remaded in hindi with rajeshkhanna as red rose
  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156014/
  
  i liked both kamalji & rajesh khanna perfomance's
  
  

• From: romio on Fri Nov 24 14:22:50 2006.

  i think chimbu manmathan story idea is inspired from sigapu roja
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Nov 24 14:24:40 2006.

  Chanakyan Climax.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsl4HwNC7pM
  Watch Kamal's expressions towards the end as the Chief Minister asks him explain the situation to the police.
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 24 14:30:33 2006.

  romio wrote:

  i think chimbu manmathan story idea is inspired from sigapu roja

  
  
  U've hit bulls eye
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Nov 24 15:02:32 2006.

  Chanakyan BGM. And ofcourse Kamal doing his push-ups.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRhaWtEA0YA
  
  

• From: romio on Fri Nov 24 15:52:10 2006.

  Quote:

  U've hit bulls eye

  
  
  bulb macha simbu's vallavan inspired from Padayappa
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Sat Nov 25 0:15:23 2006.

  romio wrote:

  Quote: U've hit bulls eye bulb macha simbu's vallavan inspired from Padayappa

  
  
  
  
  
  

• From: kamalsurya on Sat Nov 25 8:00:42 2006.

  So in total simbu is not original He is does not have his own brains he can be a follower but nvr a leader like KAMAL or rajini
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Nov 28 13:51:50 2006.

  kamalsurya wrote:

  So in total simbu is not original He is does not have his own brains he can be a follower but nvr a leader like KAMAL or rajini

  
  
  You got the point.. Surya..
  
  

• From: thamiz on Tue Nov 28 19:13:55 2006.

  I cant beleive you guys are after the kid!
  
  Let us look at the facts>
  
  Simbhu is able to direct a movie when he is in early twenties and he did get a decent critical acclaim from critics if not from Kh fans!
  
  What was Kh doing at this age?
  
  May be working as a dance master or showing up in some worthless characters in KB's movies like arangERRam?
  
  Or anything bettter than that?
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 19:42:48 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  I cant beleive you guys are after the kid! Let us look at the facts> He was able to direct a movie when he is in early twenties and he did get a decent critical acclaim from critics if not from Kh fans! What was Kh doing at this age? May be working as a dance master or showing up in some worthless characters in KB's movies like arangERRam? Or anything bettter than that?

  
  Simbhu was able to direct a movie cuz his father is himself a producer/director etc etc etc and had a footing the industry, where as Kamal was a newcomer with no cinema background, who was doing anything that came by his way..
  You dont have to appreciate his talents, but you could resist from posting trash
  
  

• From: thamiz on Tue Nov 28 19:48:45 2006.

  True, he has back up from his dad. And his dad was NOBODY when oru thalai raagam ws released.
  
  He struggled enough to achieve the status he has achieved today.
  
  His son does not have to go through that again!
  
  

  Quote:

  You dont have to appreciate his talents, but you could resist from posting trash

  
  
  This is THE FIRST TRASH in this thread! Someone called ulaganaayagan brought trash here.
  
  GO Talk to him!
  
  Not to me!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 19:53:07 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  True, he has back up from his dad. And his dad was NOBODY when oru thalai raagam ws released. He struggled enough to achieve the status he has achieved today. His son does not have to go through that again! Quote: You dont have to appreciate his talents, but you could resist from posting trash This is THE FIRST TRASH in this thread! Someone called ulaganaayagan brought trash here. GO Talk to him! Not to me!

  
  
  Now you have gone to TR, well your logic is appalling,
  Should learn to ignore dimwits like urself...
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 19:58:12 2006.

  Besides if you dont like somebody talking bad about simbhu or whoever, your reply should be specific to that person.. You had no freakin reason to bring Kamal into the post..Your posts just indicate that you are a dumb kid who just wants to draw attention with your senseless posts..
  
  

• From: thamiz on Tue Nov 28 20:07:44 2006.

  Quote:

  You had no freakin reason to bring Kamal into the post.

  
  
  Talk to nov and rr and become a moderator FIRST! Then I would follow your " rulz" as I have to follow the rules here!
  
  Until then, your 'partial ruling' and 'dictatorship' will not work no matter even if you claim yourself as the ULAMAGANAYAGAN or whoever heck you think as you are !
  
  DO YOU UNDERSTAND?????
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Nov 28 20:20:27 2006.

  
  
  

• From: imsai on Tue Nov 28 21:34:40 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  I cant beleive you guys are after the kid! Let us look at the facts> Simbhu is able to direct a movie when he is in early twenties and he did get a decent critical acclaim from critics if not from Kh fans! What was Kh doing at this age? May be working as a dance master or showing up in some worthless characters in KB's movies like arangERRam? Or anything bettter than that?

  
  
  ticket ticket
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Wed Nov 29 11:11:55 2006.

  Hi guys:
  
  Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH unncessarily into picture. That's for sure. His experience,knowledge,ability ..Man..How could you think to compare KH with some ...school boys... I know he will become big.
  
  Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure. Please don't do it. If you don't like it just leave his thread or don't post unwanted things about him. Once again, I don't have any personal agonly against you. Since we are diehard fans,we could not tolerate it. He is the best role model for the current generation after NT.
  
  Even manmadhan is a ulta of SR and and Vallavan had the terrific pallan role(KR inspiration of KH) and padayappa resemblence.
  
  I am sure, simbu will come big. B'cos at this age he is trying so many things. But KH is Marvellous and he couldn't compared like this. Alteast not in this thread.
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Wed Nov 29 11:52:06 2006.

  Thamiz times r changing... no actor ever thought of direction those days....
  
  Simbu did it bcoz his dad is a multi tasking man in cinema too.... so he should have learnt it too... for Kamal it was a tougher road...
  
  Simbu worthlessly copies Rajini and Vijay where one is original and one is already half rajini copy...
  
  Watch Vallavan only the camera is good otherwise he has a very long way to go...
  
  Manmadhan i seriously doubt if it was directed by SImbu... but anyhow u cant compare simbu with KAMAL... lets see if he can get a national award in another 10 years...
  
  

• From: great on Wed Nov 29 11:58:13 2006.

  Chimpa ( ) pathi kamal threadla ennapa discussion
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Nov 29 13:19:37 2006.

  http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/
  
  is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Nov 29 13:33:13 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/ is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru

  
  Here is the translated link in English. Appadi onnum vithiyasama sollidala. But as you said, the snaps are cool.
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Wed Nov 29 15:00:53 2006.

  V V - 100 th DAY wallpapers
  http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/thalaivar/Wallpapers/ShowWallpapers.aspx?Wallpaper=VV100
  
  Bangalore Dr.KAMAL Fans Wishing Alwarpet Almighty in Dhina Sudar Daily (Bangalore Edition)
  http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/Birthday/2006/ShowBirthday2006.aspx?Birthday=DhinaSudar
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Wed Nov 29 15:01:51 2006.

  thAi thamizh school Welfare event photos - part 2
  http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/Birthday/2006/ShowBirthday2006.aspx?Birthday=Welfare2
  
  

• From: kamalsurya on Wed Nov 29 22:54:19 2006.

  alwarpet_andavan wrote:

  V V - 100 th DAY wallpapers http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/thalaivar/Wallpapers/ShowWallpapers.aspx?Wallpaper=VV100 Bangalore Dr.KAMAL Fans Wishing Alwarpet Almighty in Dhina Sudar Daily (Bangalore Edition) http://universalherokamal.com/UniversalHeroKamal/Birthday/2006/ShowBirthday2006.aspx?Birthday=DhinaSudar

  
  
  
  
  Hope it goes on for another 100 days Thalaivar look too cool in the 1st poster
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Nov 30 2:17:40 2006.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/ is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru

  entha language-nu puriyala, aana.... we can see that he has given 9/10 for this movie..
  
  

• From: NOV on Thu Nov 30 2:37:08 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: http://www.bollywoodblog.de/2006/04/09/review-74-virumaandi/ is this in hindi or some other language? good snaps of viru entha language-nu puriyala, aana.... we can see that he has given 9/10 for this movie..

  it is german
  
  click on the british flag on the top right corner and you can get a rough translation of the whole page.
  
  

• From: thamiz on Thu Nov 30 11:27:12 2006.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Hi guys: Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH

  
  
  This is a thread for Kh. And so, it should read, please do not bring school boy Simbhu here who is nowhere near by Dr.Kh ! I wholeheartedly agree with that.
  
  

  Quote:

  Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure..

  
  
  That was not my intention. All I wanted to tell the folks here was, you DONT HAVE TO STEP ON simbhu's face to raise the status of Dr. Kh- who is already way up. And that too, in the sindhanai selvar doctor Kh thread, what is "simbhu doing here" I wonder!
  
  But I know you guys (especially the ulaganaayakan cant write a single post without getting personal on hubbers) go on get personal on me and always plead innocent!
  
  

• From: imsai on Thu Nov 30 11:29:58 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: Hi guys: Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH This is a thread for Kh. And so, it should read, please do not bring school boy Simbhu here who is nowhere near by Dr.Kh ! I wholeheartedly agree with that. Quote: Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure.. That was not my intention. All I wanted to tell the folks here was, you DONT HAVE TO STEP ON simbhu face to raise the status of Dr. Kh- who is already way up. And that too, in the sindhanai selvar doctor Kh thread, what is "simbhu doing here" I wonder! But I know you guys (especially the ulaganaayakan cant write a single post without getting personal on hubbers) go on get personal on me and always plead innocent!

  
  
  we gotta be lucky to see you cry for Simbhu
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Thu Nov 30 21:23:55 2006.

  thamiz wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: Hi guys: Let's not fight here. Also, pls do not bring Dr KH This is a thread for Kh. And so, it should read, please do not bring school boy Simbhu here who is nowhere near by Dr.Kh ! I wholeheartedly agree with that. Quote: Dear Thamiz: I guess, you are straightly attacking Dr KH for sure.. That was not my intention. All I wanted to tell the folks here was, you DONT HAVE TO STEP ON simbhu's face to raise the status of Dr. Kh- who is already way up. And that too, in the sindhanai selvar doctor Kh thread, what is "simbhu doing here" I wonder! But I know you guys (especially the ulaganaayakan cant write a single post without getting personal on hubbers) go on get personal on me and always plead innocent!

  
  
  
  

• From: Surya on Tue Dec 5 20:07:37 2006.

  Paartha Mudhal Naale - Vetaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu
  
  I LOVE THIS SONG! Even though it isn't original since it was allegedly lifted from a church song, the picturization and Kamal/Kamalini are Excellent!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DudMy7UeKyk&mode=related&search= - Quality is Surpricingly good for Youtube.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Dec 5 22:35:28 2006.

  Surya wrote:

  Paartha Mudhal Naale - Vetaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu I LOVE THIS SONG! Even though it isn't original since it was allegedly lifted from a church song, the picturization and Kamal/Kamalini are Excellent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DudMy7UeKyk&mode=related&search= - Quality is Surpricingly good for Youtube.

  my aunt who lives in a small town, never evinced any interest in kamal movies... she said that VV is her favourite movie in recent times.. i was very surprised... she also said that, the main reason for liking to VV is this paartha mudhal naale song.... i personally congratulated thaamarai for writing such great lyrics in VV...
  
  

• From: Surya on Wed Dec 6 15:21:23 2006.

  Wow! Yeah! the lyrics are really good!
  
  U personally congradulated meaning u saw her or called her or something?
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Wed Dec 6 15:24:18 2006.

  The best in VV IMO is
  
  MANJAL VEYIL.... superb music... superb voice... very good picturization
  
  

• From: Surya on Wed Dec 6 15:26:34 2006.

  bulb_mani wrote:

  The best in VV IMO is MANJAL VEYIL.... superb music... superb voice... very good picturization

  
  
  Gautham Dances for a few mins in that song! A bit cheezy though because u have the white and black ppl singing a tamil song. Never the less entertaining.
  
  

• From: bulb_mani on Wed Dec 6 15:27:07 2006.

  
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Dec 7 1:34:18 2006.

  Surya wrote:

  Wow! Yeah! the lyrics are really good! U personally congradulated meaning u saw her or called her or something?

  i met her and congratulated her...
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Dec 7 4:26:36 2006.

  Surya wrote:

  Paartha Mudhal Naale - Vetaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu I LOVE THIS SONG! Even though it isn't original since it was allegedly lifted from a church song, the picturization and Kamal/Kamalini are Excellent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DudMy7UeKyk&mode=related&search= - Quality is Surpricingly good for Youtube.

  
  
  Good lyrics - agreed !! Manjal Veyyil and Karka Karka were better I feel. Overall it was a good job done by Thamarai.
  
  I have not heard the church song - but paartha muthal naaLE tune reminds - thenmEkku paruva kaatru - in karuthamma. Specially the the charanams.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Dec 7 5:04:20 2006.

  thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai..
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Thu Dec 7 10:51:01 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai..

  
  
  Is thamarai also involved in Dasa project? If so, it will be awesome.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Thu Dec 7 12:46:39 2006.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai.. Is thamarai also involved in Dasa project? If so, it will be awesome.

  i do not know..
  
  

• From: great on Thu Dec 7 13:01:31 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: Aandavan wrote: thaamarai did a wonderful job.. usually the hit songs these days are just seasonal... but VV songs are timeless just for its lyrics... hats off to thaamarai.. Is thamarai also involved in Dasa project? If so, it will be awesome. i do not know..

  
  
  I guss Vaali is penning the lyrics for Dasa
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Sat Dec 9 2:59:50 2006.

  somewhere i read abt VRMBBS
  
  my fav scene in that movie is that conversation btw Pr and Kamalji!
  
  "Revit ... revit you don know? ...." can anybody post that dialogue?
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Sat Dec 9 4:08:53 2006.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  somewhere i read abt VRMBBS my fav scene in that movie is that conversation btw Pr and Kamalji! "Revit ... revit you don know? ...." can anybody post that dialogue?

  
  Not sure about this one, but talking about VRMBBS, the scene i liked was again a conversation between Kamal and Pirabhu. Its the scene where they discuss Paapu's betrayal sitting on a ledge,Kamal drunk.. Kamal's modulation, esp his sudden shift to sadness was outstanding.. The dialogue starts like '' Naan enna sonnen, enna da sonnen..''.
  
  

• From: villan007 on Sat Dec 9 4:12:52 2006.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Not sure about this one, but talking about VRMBBS, the scene i liked was again a conversation between Kamal and Pirabhu. Its the scene where they discuss Paapu's betrayal sitting on a ledge,Kamal drunk.. Kamal's modulation, esp his sudden shift to sadness was outstanding.. The dialogue starts like '' Naan enna sonnen, enna da sonnen..''.

  
  
  vatti ,naan naalaikE doctor collegela sErndhu medical aavanum
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Sat Dec 9 4:17:12 2006.

  .. He bears an innocent look all through that sequence, that was what made the scene funny.. Simply Kamal!
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Dec 11 11:26:08 2006.

  a great scene in Kaadhala Kaadhala ...
  
  Soundarya :
  
  ungalukku Modern painting pidikkaatha, enna athu verum penaathalunu sollreengalaa??
  
  
  
  
  Aandavar:
  
  enna ippidi solleeteenga!! Modern Theatres pola oru studio varumaa??????
  
  oru 10 bread packet line-aa vatchaa, ethu Modern bread-nu solla mudiyumaa??
  
  
  
  

• From: mazhaichaaral on Wed Dec 13 6:52:17 2006.

  villan007 wrote:

  Ulaganayagan wrote: Not sure about this one, but talking about VRMBBS, the scene i liked was again a conversation between Kamal and Pirabhu. Its the scene where they discuss Paapu's betrayal sitting on a ledge,Kamal drunk.. Kamal's modulation, esp his sudden shift to sadness was outstanding.. The dialogue starts like '' Naan enna sonnen, enna da sonnen..''. vatti ,naan naalaikE doctor collegela sErndhu medical aavanum

  
  appuram andha paapuva kalayanam kattikanum
  appuram vittu vittu sirichutruka paathiya avana vidama sirikka vaikanaum
  
  prabhu:sari...kalaila pesikalam
  
  kamal:ennada bodhaila pesurennu nenaikiriya....oru hero na soldradha senju kaatanum appathan avan hero
  
  
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Wed Dec 13 7:22:17 2006.

  Another Scene in VRMBBS
  
  Thlaivasal Vijay : Athukully
  
  Thalaivar : Venam Unga kailey kodukkuren.
  
  
  Perfect Timing.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 14 3:44:38 2006.

  Quoting alwarpet_andavan from the other post:
  
  
  Yes but he is an admitted influence [Remember reading a couple of interviews where he mentions him]
  Sellers was a master of multiple-roles and accents.. He has even played an Indian in The Party...
  
  Interestingly, 10A reminded me of Dr.Strangelove initially... Now Monty Python Holy Grail and The Fiendish Plot Of Dr.Fu Munchu come to mind..
  
  However, i guess Aandavar will surprise us all on the screen.
  
  
  I find Sellers to be the closest in terms of performance. Kamal's slapstick is a mix of Chaplin and Sellers antique from the Pink Panther movies.
  
  Saw The life and death of Peter Sellers the other day. Very sad.
  
  

• From: alwarpet_andavan on Thu Dec 14 3:51:33 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Saw The life and death of Peter Sellers the other day. Very sad.

  
  Yeah... I thought Jim Carrey was the funniest and weirdest character i've seen until i saw the "Life and Death of Sellers" and a few of his movies... He didn't have any personaility of his own. Literally. He *became* [cliches are bad!] the character he was playing.
  
  

• From: Rajkumar_mj on Thu Dec 14 12:30:09 2006.

  http://mazedmind.blogspot.com/2006/11/sagalakala-vallavan-master-of-all-arts.html
  Sagalakala Vallavan – Master of all Arts!!!
  
  Hey everyone!!!! It’s been such a long time since I posted on my blog. It feels good to be back. Feels like a big achievement that after months of bad luck with my comp and lot of other personal lows, I’ve finally managed to sit down today to write something.
  
  And guess what (or rather whom) I have been itching to write about??!! About this great actor and human being named ‘Kamal Hassan’! Whew!!!! Now that is so different from what I always write about. Or actually is it? You decide after you have read the post.
  
  Before I start saying what I want to, let me introduce this guy for the benefit of those who have no clue of the Tamil movie stars (now that is a subtle way of saying my blog is read by people all over the world;)). Kamal Hassan is one of the greatest movie stars of this era. I am sure everyone would agree to that though many may not want to accept it publicly. He has acted in countless number of movies since his childhood days. He has won many accolades for his performances. He is 54 years old and is still re-inventing himself with every movie.
  
  Now for the real story.
  
  I have always been a fan of Kamal Hassan since my childhood. And when I say I am fan, I don’t mean to say I watch every movie of his or that I am there for the first show of his every movie. I am actually not even one of those fans who will swear that each and every performance of his and every movie of his is mind blowing. But what I do say is that this is one man who has made the profession of acting and the movie industry highly respectable in my eyes.
  
  The whole idea of writing about how I feel about this human being occurred to me after I watched his recent movie ‘Vettaiyadu Vilaiyadu’. I am sure all Tamil movie goers would have watched the film by now. And I am also pretty much sure that everyone would agree that the movie was really well made and that Kamal has once again proved that he is a cut above the rest! I for one was so enthralled by the movie and by Kamal’s performance that I was raving about the movie(which included Kamal’s looks as well;)) for more than a week. I must also mention here that the director of the movie Gautham Menon moved up a few notches in my ‘favourites’ list. It was a mind-blowing movie, though many (especially men) did think that it was very disturbing as it dealt with the story of a serial rapist and murderer. However, I would say that the movie was made to be disturbing as it left some serious thoughts in the viewers’ heads long after the movie was over.
  
  So, like I said earlier, after I watched this movie I spoke so much about it to my friends and everyone that after each conversation I started thinking a little about this person. I thought about how this man has dedicated his life to the art of acting. Many of his movies totally shock us as to what lengths he goes to in each of his movies to look the part he is playing. His movies also clearly show us that this is one man who has done his homework to almost become the character he is playing. In each of his movies there is something new. Sometimes it is the make-up, sometimes it is his singing ability that comes to the fore, sometimes it all the new technical stuff he has introduced in film making; the list is endless. Another important point that many people fail to recognize in his movies is the subtle messages each of his movies carries. Of course, in all the movies the hero plays the good guy fighting for a cause and the cause is pretty much clearly outlined in the first few scenes of the movie. However, in all of Kamal’s movies (especially the ones that he has acted in the last decade or so) have real important messages laced into the story, but it is not blaring enough for the masses to understand. Now, that is why Kamal does not command a fan following like Rajinikanth (the superstar of Tamil filmdom)! Coming back to the point about messages, let me mention a few. Remember this movie ‘Peiyar Sollum Pillai’ - the message there was about abolishing casteism. ‘Kurudhipunal’ was about the life ( the real emotions and tribulations) of commandos. ‘Mahanadhi’ was a very disturbing movie about the life of children who lose their parents, but one of the messages I liked in the movie was in a song which teaches the children about how not to fear devils and demons and how they are all just a myth. ‘Anbe Sivam’, my all time favorite movie (I personally think it is one of the best movies ever made) is about ‘Love’. It so subtly highlights the message that ‘Love is God’. I think it is a movie that every human being who really wants to live a meaningful life should watch and probably save a copy for posterity. Another recent one ‘Virumaandi’ was about the death sentence. I could just go on and on. But this not all that I want to talk about.
  
  The most important thing that I wanted to talk about in this post is about how Kamal Hassan is an inspiration to people who want to make a difference in this world. Think about this. We all look up to extraordinary professionals such as Scientists, Doctors, Lawyers, Entrepreneurs, IT professionals, etc. and talk about how we want to be like them. But hardly does any parent show the example of an actor to his/her child to make them understand what it takes to be a successful and extraordinary human being. Including me, I think all of us just look at movies as entertainment and movie stars as glamorous people who do a job they are paid for. But think again. Think again about this guy named Kamal. He was a school drop out and became an actor to fulfill his father’s dream. But he chose to make a difference through the medium that God had offered to him. He dedicated his life to this art of acting. Though a school drop-out he is well read and highly knowledgeable and speaks impeccable English and Tamil. He is a great dancer, a great orator and someone who walks his talk. And hey, I almost forgot this one! He is amazingly good looking, even at the age of 54 (I am so fascinated with his looks that I was telling Ganesh that I wouldn’t mind marrying him at the age of 54, if I get a chance!!). The next one is a little dicey but I have to say it. I am sure many of YOU, don’t like the way he leads his personal life (frankly, who are we to comment on his personal life?), but think again. However flamboyantly you would say he lives his life, he has been very honest and forthright. Now that calls for some real appreciation given that none of us on the face of this earth is perfect and that many of us don’t have the guts to own up to our mistakes. Now tell me, what more does one need to make Kamal his/her idol and look up to this man to live one’s life more successfully and meaningfully?
  
  I could go on and on about this guy. But it is time to stop as I guess I have exceeded all acceptable limits of a blog post!! So I will just conclude by saying, “Kamal Hassan for me is a person who has pushed the limit for something he believes in - the medium of cinema to share his knowledge and his experiences. And I sure would be proud to introduce him to the next generation as one of the greatest men to walk this earth!” I am sure I have stretched all your reading limits, but I have to say this before I go. I always think about this guy and say to myself, “If only I have half of this guy’s dedication to whatever my cause on earth is, I would be successful in making a huge difference to this planet I live in.”
  
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 14 23:27:15 2006.

  Aandavan wrote:

  a great scene in Kaadhala Kaadhala ... Soundarya : ungalukku Modern painting pidikkaatha, enna athu verum penaathalunu sollreengalaa?? Aandavar: enna ippidi solleeteenga!! Modern Theatres pola oru studio varumaa??????

  
  
  Sorry I brought this out again. Office colleagues got worried when they heard me chuckling suddenly.
  
  Initially, Kathala Kathala was so and so for me. But on subsequent viewing I find it to be very funny. The same with Panchatanthiram (mainly because I can't stand Simran) but later when I manage to blank out Simran, I began to enjoy this movie too.
  
  I think that's how it is with Kamal's comedy. It's always layered, and since you are busy laughing, you tend to laugh over next funny line.
  
  I must have watched MMKR over more than 50 times and I still find something new in it.
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Dec 15 0:02:29 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  The same with Panchatanthiram (mainly because I can't stand Simran) but later when I manage to blank out Simran, I began to enjoy this movie too.

  
  Oh, you're not the only one
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Fri Dec 15 0:18:39 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Sorry I brought this out again. Office colleagues got worried when they heard me chuckling suddenly. Initially, Kathala Kathala was so and so for me. But on subsequent viewing I find it to be very funny. The same with Panchatanthiram (mainly because I can't stand Simran) but later when I manage to blank out Simran, I began to enjoy this movie too. I think that's how it is with Kamal's comedy. It's always layered, and since you are busy laughing, you tend to laugh over next funny line. I must have watched MMKR over more than 50 times and I still find something new in it.

  
  
  
  
  Me too whenever i watch MMKR there is something we get new either a comedy or the direction brilliancy or technology use. Credit Also goes to Crazy Mohan
  
  
  Coming to Kathala Kathala, there are lot more including Kamal who dont like that in first attempt. During college days some of us used to talk abt the comedy dialogues comes in the picture. Several who too watched before were wondering whether some of those scenes really came The way we were talking they had watched it one more time.
  
  The biggest problem of that movie is it was dramatic. We dont get a feeling that it is a movie
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Dec 15 0:32:28 2006.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Me too whenever i watch MMKR there is something we get new either a comedy or the direction brilliancy or technology use. Credit Also goes to Crazy Mohan

  
  
  
  They just use plain old masking technique that MGR and Sivaji used during their time.
  
  And look at how brilliantly they came out. Current day CG still have rough edges around them.
  
  The brilliance of MMKR comes mainly from Kamal's screenplay. The way he introduces characters in the beginning, all interconnected. And then, once we audience are familiar with them, he moves on in breakneck speed (literally sometimes). A lot of people were confused, especially during the climax scene where all four Kamal looks alike. But during subsequent viewing, those who complained admitted the enjoyability factor of this movie.
  
  This movie deserves award, for its writing and most importantly for Kamal's performance. Of course, those award people are mostly humourless bunch of bores entertaining their constipation problem.
  
  Sorry, got outta line there.
  
  If only comedy was given the respect the same way as Drama - MMKR would sweep many awards.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Fri Dec 15 1:12:28 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  This movie deserves award, for its writing and most importantly for Kamal's performance. Of course, those award people are mostly humourless bunch of bores entertaining their constipation problem. Sorry, got outta line there. If only comedy was given the respect the same way as Drama - MMKR would sweep many awards.

  
  
  You are right. Comedies are not given due respect by award commitee. I too used to feel MMKR deserves an award for Kamal. Doing Comedy itself is difficult and that too when 2 Kamal's and 4 Kamal meets at the same place and maintaining the humour is very difficult. Your timing has to be 200% accurate. And Kamal is brilliant in that also !!!!!!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Dec 15 20:47:50 2006.

  groucho070 wrote:

  The brilliance of MMKR comes mainly from Kamal's screenplay. The way he introduces characters in the beginning, all interconnected.

  Exactly. Brilliant writing. The way the movie travels from one thread to another is fantastic.
  
  One sequence starts with the the the police raid on Michael's press, goes on to the chase till he rams it into hotel meter causing the circuit (with the slyly slipped in Kushboo's first line : maaNbigu kuthuviLakkai amaichar Etri vaippAr ). Enter Raju, the saviour and even rambambam followed by the confrontation with pathAn and Kameswaran's intro (aaraakkum adhu plate-Oda vegetablesai thookki adikkaradhu ?) proceeds onto the whole hullaballoo at the KalyAna Mandapan ending with thiruttu paatti slapping Kameswaran.
  
  From here it cuts to Avinaashi sucking up to Madan. This is the first time in the last half an hour or so that there has been an abrupt change of scene (understandably to allow for the presumable time lapse). Half an hour of well packed sequcnes without a whole (even managing to insert a song !)
  
  Several more like this in this film that one can go on quoting. Rarely ever do you find a scene abruptly inserted or hanging from nowhere. Everythings flows with unbelievable precision. Even amongst Kamalwritten films this is one of the finest screenplays.
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Sun Dec 17 0:23:44 2006.

  Despite being mesmerised by kamal, i have failed to list many of his countless golden gems...here is one of those that i enjoyed watching.
  
  In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying. But what makes it very remarkable is when Kamal shows some "manliness" since in foresight Kamal will take over from shivaji later as the village bigwig. The way he modulates his emotions with the gowravam like attitude is amazing to say the least. And when IR understands the situation and displays the music with slow build up of melancholy instead of going all pathos with the carnatic violin..that whole scene can be just used as a guidance for future directors.
  
  In that whole movie Kamal displayed himself as a easygoing youth with fearing respect for the father...but after the death of shivaji he shows a mature individual who commands respect...the significance of change here is enough to carry the film by itself.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Dec 17 15:54:53 2006.

  Hulkster wrote:

  In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying. But what makes it very remarkable is when Kamal shows some "manliness" since in foresight Kamal will take over from shivaji later as the village bigwig.

  Actually Kamal does cry out hard. A minute or so following Peria ThEvar's death we have everything in slow motion. Sakthi spills the books and runs to the bedside and crying his heart out loud with other folks of the house joining him.
  
  But the audio from the scene is replaced by the beautiful chorus humming by IR which is a prelude to vaanam thottu pOnA. So we don't actually 'experience the crying'.So it is a short crying scene with a longer emotional impact due to slow motion. It is immediately followed by the scene at the ghat where his brother is stone drunk and Sakthi has to take over the 'responsibilities' already. No tears here, but as you have pointed out, is indicative of the overt takeover that follows in the scene after this - IR's music continuing after a short silent break (for the get-up change).
  
  A very smart bunch of scenes.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Sun Dec 17 18:21:48 2006.

  [quote="Prabhu Ram"]

  Hulkster wrote:

  In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying..

  
  
  In contrast to this, Kamal unleashed emotional hell Virumaandi (grandmother's death). I liked the way he sank into helplessness, alternating between calling her 'thaiye' and 'naiye'. This scene pretty much established that Virumaandi was capable of little without his doting grandmother. The following scene at the funeral when he gtes drunk nails this even further.
  
  

• From: mazhaichaaral on Sun Dec 17 21:13:59 2006.

  [quote="Kumar"]

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hulkster wrote: In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying.. In contrast to this, Kamal unleashed emotional hell Virumaandi (grandmother's death). I liked the way he sank into helplessness, alternating between calling her 'thaiye' and 'naiye'. This scene pretty much established that Virumaandi was capable of little without his doting grandmother. The following scene at the funeral when he gtes drunk nails this even further.

  
  
  eppa periya manushanugala....ellarum mannichukonga...pongada!
  
  that scene was extremely funny...
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Sun Dec 17 22:01:55 2006.

  Prabhu ram..i guess i do not remember that scene that vividly as well...apologies
  
  I think this has been discussed before i also enjoyed Kamal's comical elements with a police like body language in that movie. The role did not require strong dialogue delivery or imposing attitude like shown in earlier movies by actors who portrayed police roles. The opening scene where he mocks the villain with anger yet covering it with humour and crude language was very realistically done. In fact the only reason i watched VV was for Kamal's role only...he actually makes the film very realistic. People call it underplayed but i think kamal made it to perfection...giving loud police dialogues wunt suit the character and kamal rightly made it convincing
  
  

• From: TamilMoon on Mon Dec 18 3:24:16 2006.

  his all recent movies
  
  

• From: Saamy on Thu Jan 11 6:14:23 2007.

  My friend just sent me a sms to watch Mahanadi in Sun Tv now. But, unfortunately i am in Office. It is One of the BEst movies ever made. PLease Discuss abt this timeless classic here.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jan 11 16:37:59 2007.

  Saamy wrote:

  My friend just sent me a sms to watch Mahanadi in Sun Tv now. But, unfortunately i am in Office. It is One of the BEst movies ever made. PLease Discuss abt this timeless classic here.

  Hi Saamy welcome to the Hub. We have had some enjoyable dicussions about the film in the past here. Why don't you kick off the discussion about certain aspects of the feel that appeal to you immensely. We will discuss about it here. The more specific the more enjoyable.
  
  

• From: Saamy on Thu Jan 11 21:14:15 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Saamy wrote: My friend just sent me a sms to watch Mahanadi in Sun Tv now. But, unfortunately i am in Office. It is One of the BEst movies ever made. PLease Discuss abt this timeless classic here. Hi Saamy welcome to the Hub. We have had some enjoyable dicussions about the film in the past here. Why don't you kick off the discussion about certain aspects of the feel that appeal to you immensely. We will discuss about it here. The more specific the more enjoyable.

  Thanks Mr.Prabu .
  
  Mahanadi had one of the best dialogues ever in Tamil cinema.
  
  In the climax,
  
  Villain: Oh, finance company party-aa. Un ponna naan onnum pannala, antha hanifa thaan supply pannaan.
  
  Kamal: avan supply nee thaan da demand.
  
  (since kamal used two english words, the villain starts speaking in english, which is very very realistic.)
  
  Kamal: Naan Tamil medium-la padichavan, Tamil-a pesu.
  
  it evokes a laughter , inspite of being placed in a very serious situation.
  
  

• From: nerdy on Fri Jan 12 2:38:25 2007.

  WHole movie has nice dialogs(By KH and Ra.Ki. Rangarajan ,Great acting and Nice music.
  
  Rajesh :"Krishna Indha kalahula Nermaya irrukiradha vida Porumaya irukkiradhu than Nalladhu"
  
  In Another scend Kamal to Suganya
  
  "Endha Ulagathula Nallavanukku kedaikkavendiya ellathyum, Kettavankku THooki kodukkrangale"
  
  

• From: nerdy on Fri Jan 12 2:55:34 2007.

  Tow days back i saw Hey Ram again.
  
  I dont know whether it has posted here.
  
  Kamal was practising to Shoot "Gandhi" with Guns in his house and slept. And he woke up in the early morning due to the sounds from "Marghazi Bajani Ghost".
  
  Normally in Thamizh movie shows early morning as " Sun in the Beach" or " Hen crooning".But here Early morninng was shown by "Margazhi Bajanai Kootam"
  
  Another thing is Gandhiji died on end of Jan. That is "Thai Matham". And he was practising with Guns in Margazi madham.
  
  Again he proved that he is one the good writer /director of our country.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Jan 12 12:41:32 2007.

  Saamy wrote:

  Villain: Oh, finance company party-aa. Un ponna naan onnum pannala, antha hanifa thaan supply pannaan. Kamal: avan supply nee thaan da demand.

  
  I am actually not too impressed with the Mahanadhi climax, which except for one strong visual point in the end, is rather ordinary for such a great film (particularly the post jail reunion !!!).
  
  The highlight line of the confrontation is the dialogue that preceeds this where VenkatAchalam brutally asks : "nee endha poNNOda appA ?"
  
  In his subtle and mischievous indictment of religion (a recurrent theme in this film and in Kamal's work in general), Krishnaswamy will also say : " avan kasAppu kadai vachurikkAn. piLLaikkaRi kEkkuravan nee". The climax itself begins when VenkatAchalam is in the middle of a poojai when called by Dhanush.
  
  Re. Hey RAm, that was a nice one nerdy. I saw that scene first when the movie was telecast on Sun TV (Aug 15 2002). They had snipped it in the theatre I saw it in Madurai apparently to 'save time'. It was such a brilliant scene (including the hideous Gandhi cartoon in the background in the wall), taking all of 30 secs. Cutting it gained nothing but we lost such a beautiful and subtle scene.
  
  At the beginning of the scene the room is lit by the powerful lamp he is working under. Until the window is opened we don't know the time of the scene. When it is opened we see a very early morning blue light streaming in. Recall the first lines in the movie spoken by SAket Jr.: "Oh Vidinjuduththaa ? ThaathAvOda room-la raathiri pagalE theriyAdhu"
  
  SAkEt is married just before independence. On Independence day he is Calcutta (so is Gandhi). Shortly upon his return from Calcutta, he is shown to leave for Maharshtra with Mythili. This had to happen immediately as the film requires they be there by DusherA, which is usually in September. And they do leave abruptly thanks to SAkEt getting pissed off with the astrologer ChAri.
  
  

• From: nerdy on Fri Jan 12 13:04:13 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  I am actually not too impressed with the Mahanadhi climax, which except for one strong visual point in the end, is rather ordinary for such a great film (particularly the post jail reunion !!!). The highlight line of the confrontation is the dialogue that preceeds this where VenkatAchalam brutally asks : "nee endha poNNOda appA ?" In his subtle and mischievous indictment of religion (a recurrent theme in this film and in Kamal's work in general), Krishnaswamy will also say : " avan kasAppu kadai vachurikkAn. piLLaikkaRi kEkkuravan nee". The climax itself begins when VenkatAchalam is in the middle of a poojai when called by Dhanush. Re. Hey RAm, that was a nice one nerdy. I saw that scene first when the movie was telecast on Sun TV (Aug 15 2002). They had snipped it in the theatre I saw it in Madurai apparently to 'save time'. It was such a brilliant scene (including the hideous Gandhi cartoon in the background in the wall), taking all of 30 secs. Cutting it gained nothing but we lost such a beautiful and subtle scene. At the beginning of the scene the room is lit by the powerful lamp he is working under. Until the window is opened we don't know the time of the scene. When it is opened we see a very early morning blue light streaming in. Recall the first lines in the movie spoken by SAket Jr.: "Oh Vidinjuduththaa ? ThaathAvOda room-la raathiri pagalE theriyAdhu" SAkEt is married just before independence. On Independence day he is Calcutta (so is Gandhi). Shortly upon his return from Calcutta, he is shown to leave for Maharshtra with Mythili. This had to happen immediately as the film requires they be there by DusherA, which is usually in September. And they do leave abruptly thanks to SAkEt getting pissed off with the astrologer ChAri.

  
  
  
  I am very much impressed with Your narrative skills and knowledge
  Really you are the one of the Sindhani Selvar of this Hub.
  
  
  I would like you to post more about Hey Ram and Virumandi in this thread.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Jan 13 15:33:41 2007.

  nerdy wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: I am very much impressed with Your narrative skills and knowledge Really you are the one of the Sindhani Selvar of this Hub. I would like you to post more about Hey Ram and Virumandi in this thread.

  
  
  Same here
  Please keep posting...
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Sat Jan 13 16:10:18 2007.

  [quote="Kumar"]

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hulkster wrote: In thevar magan...the scene where shivaji dies...normally you would expect the actor to pour out his emotions and make the audience cry. But Kamal here controls his emotions to just normal tears and a bit of crying.. In contrast to this, Kamal unleashed emotional hell Virumaandi (grandmother's death). I liked the way he sank into helplessness, alternating between calling her 'thaiye' and 'naiye'. This scene pretty much established that Virumaandi was capable of little without his doting grandmother. The following scene at the funeral when he gtes drunk nails this even further.

  
  
  I saw this movie in Chinthamani - Madurai. I went with my friends. One of my friend actually losed his dear grandmother in the previous week. He was normal and enjoying the movie. Once this particular scene was screened...followed by 'Mada Vilaka..' thats it, he started to cry,it continued till the interval...! He was crying like a baby and we couldn console him.After the movie he said "Kamal's acting after his grandmother death was simply mindblowing and I couldn control MY emotions, it brought my grandmother to the picture" as he was saying... he started again ... !
  
  

• From: OnMyWay on Sun Jan 14 0:34:42 2007.

  Hey Ram lae visual cues neraya undu..there is this scene after
  "Isaiyil Song.." when Kamal would be led to meet the king and they would choose kamal for the assasination attempt.
  Right before that scene kamal would be shown being led through marshy land and then as he keeps walking the floor in the room would be shown to resemble a chess board. To visually imply kamal is being set up for the job.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Jan 14 11:52:24 2007.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  I saw this movie in Chinthamani - Madurai. I went with my friends. One of my friend actually losed his dear grandmother in the previous week. He was normal and enjoying the movie. Once this particular scene was screened...followed by 'Mada Vilaka..' thats it, he started to cry,it continued till the interval...! He was crying like a baby and we couldn console him.After the movie he said "Kamal's acting after his grandmother death was simply mindblowing and I couldn control MY emotions, it brought my grandmother to the picture" as he was saying... he started again ... !

  
  That's Kamal
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Jan 14 19:28:43 2007.

  Thanks folks. nerdy konjam overAgavE pOyitteenga. I am
  
  Let's proceed a little bit longer with MahAnadhi and it is very apt and dialogues. Most lines flesh out the character of the speaker better.
  

  nerdy wrote:

  Rajesh :"Krishna Indha kalathula Nermaya irrukiradha vida Porumaya irukkiradhu than Nalladhu"

  
  One of the more interesting characters in the movie is MuthusAmy, played by RajEsh. He is shown to be a person who adheres to the law even though he understands that the law and justice hardly ever go together.
  
  His introductory scene is on the visitors day and he questions YamunA & co. 's overstay: "manu irukkudhA ? orutharukku dhAn anumadhi". When PanchApakEsan whispers the relationship to him, his expressions softens but not his position: "OhO, appidiyA. AnA rules-nA rules dhAn" , defining his character completely in the very first oppurtunity.
  
  He explain the rules lifelessly, seemingly detatched from the importance to the words he is speaking : "naanga reNdu pErum kAdhalikkarOm" (IR springs into action here)
  
  In his next scene, where he interevenes when TulukkAnam tries to snatch the letter from Krishna, his lines show that he knows his authority means next to nothing: "avan kitta romba vachukkAthe"
  Rectitude only increases the need to play it safe from the crooks. It does not provide one the freedom to walk with his head held high fearlessly. You need to fear craftier inferiors. Like the traffic advisory goes: "The cemetries of the world are filled with careful, rule adhering drivers."
  
  In a later scene with the jailer, other cops accuse him of being KrishnA's smuggling accomplice (and much more). When the jailer quetions him, MuthusAmy says the most horrendous line: "saar, ungaLukkE theriyum naan nErmaiyAnavan". Isn't that an impossible and silly sounding line ? Well, the unsaid implication of this line is, no-one else is honest. Accusing everyone and perhaps not excluding the jailer himself. The fact that jailer is not offended, reflects on how inured the people of the system are, that they are not affected by their own lack of values. Even when it is hinted at rather directly like how MuthusAmy did.
  
  All he can do is, later thank KrishnA for saving his job by enduring sufference. "nAn dhAn unakku udhavi seyya mudiyAdhavanAi pOyittEn". Is that a completely true statement ? Later in the movie he bunks work to prevent being on-duty when KrishnA - a murder accused- is in his house (or under his protection, as he politely put it). His adherence to the law's letter, seems comic but perhaps even worldly wise. Is he doing all he can ? Or all that he thinks he can ? It is all he can, taking into account his other considerations.
  
  In the earlier scene, he gives KrishnA a copy of BhArathiyAr kavithaigaL (can anything be more antithetical to patience and silent sufferance than BhArathi ?).
  
  In the scene where he 'advices' KrishnA after fetching him from the scuffle with the watchman at Dhanush's house, has the best lines. (That, along with the next scene where PanchApakesan and KrishnA walk on Napier's bridge dwell on the essence of the movie.)
  In the scene in his house, MuthusAmy turns the tables on everyone in society -one even thinks he seeks solace in this argument to address his powerlessness.
  
  Of all that he says - two lines are particularly notable for later reference:
  1) "munnAdi avan verum maama, ippo arasiyalvaadhigaLukku maamaa" (when talking about how Dhanush has grown during KrishnA's jail years).
  2) When talking about the how the undeserving seem to get all the respect in society, he confesses to being befuddled by the question :" mariyAdhai ellAm thEvadiyA thozilukku thuNai pOravanukku".
  
  His singling out of the profession to vent his distaste is notable because he is someone who later accepts as his daughter-in-law, a former prostitute. He is a better man than his vocabulary seems to indicate. So his distaste is more a manner of expression, than a rabid and narrow fundamentalism.
  
  Overall, is he any different from the guard who turns the other way when KrishnA looks up, when TulukkAnam throws the food in the gutter ? He is much more. Among the several interesting (and uncomfortable) questions that MahAnadhi raises, MuthusAmy's character raises some vital ones. The myth that the 'system' is an amorphous monolith, is broken by introducing such a character. Even an oppressive system is composed of people. Some of them, not unlike MuthusAmy. His dialogues bring out the character beautifully.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Sun Jan 14 22:56:30 2007.

  
  
  rajesh had fit the role perfectly!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Jan 15 8:35:40 2007.

  Prabhu Ram,
  You seem to be very knowledgable and you observe very well. I've been reading your earlier posts in the forum.
  
  The table conversation and the Napier bridge scenes are hard hitting indeed, as Prabhu has pointed out.
  
  Rajesh questions the rights of people like 'us' questioning corrupt people because everyone of of us would have done things like getting tickets in black etc. And when he is about to politely request Krishnaswamy to leave the next morning, he sends his son on an errand (cigarette, and then pazham).
  
  Mahanadhi has many moments were Kamal makes some bold and strong statements. Not all of them are necessarily against pimps and politicians. He is extremely critical of the fatalistic middle-class, especially those resigning to the almighty. The initial scenes with 'Punjabi' are very interesting in this regard. Superb social commentary. In a sense, he is angry with himself, or atleast his undoings in the past. It may look ordinary now but portraying a hero as being so fallible is something which only Kamal can do. The scene where he is literally beaten and thrown out in the chit fund office was shocking at that time. It still is. Of course, the Thulukkanam exchanges are legend material now
  
  Screenplay - Superbly written. Especially when the jail scenes give way to the village flashback (the sound of the train is synch with Kamal's eye-lids opening and closing and 'thirunageswaram' station appearing). Wow!
  
  Acting - Everybody would have a favorite scene. Most would say the daughter coming of age scene in the jail. Some would say the sona kachi scene. However, to me, it is Kamal's portrayal of the naive and content (well, not quite) Krishnaswamy of the seeval factory days.
  This dialogue and the way he says it, with self doubt and almost embarrassed
  Krishnaswamy: "hmm.. andha chit f... andha chit fund company pathi sonneengale" [cuts to the Pooja of the company]...
  
  What a movie...
  
  

• From: What on Mon Jan 15 12:17:10 2007.

  Prabhu Ram, it is a pleasure to read your posts on kamal haasan.
  
  A tough questions for you: what's your preference int he following--Devar magan vs mahanathi?
  
  I like Devar magan more; maybe sivaji factor
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Jan 15 13:20:32 2007.

  Thanks folks. I'll try and post about PanchApakEsan soon. As thinkfloyd correctly points out, it is through this character that most of the social criticism is brought out.
  
  In the meanwhile, the last post on this thread may be of interest. It gives some background info on the idea that grew to become MahAnadhi. You will even see Kamal's ideas directly matching with the dialogues spoken by MuthusAmy.
  
  Thinkfloyd, the cut from TirunAgEswaram to the chit fund pooja with the mantra chanting preceding the visuals, is one of the many places where voice overlap is used beautifully in the film. One other scene that comes to my mind is, the scene where Krishna is sitting dazed in the office after Dhanush leaves (after firing Manju). The visuals are still there but we hear the voice of the lawyer from the next scene : "ivan definite-a fraud sir".
  
  What, my choice is is MahAnadhi. The excellent presentation in ThEvar Magan is very tempting, but my MahAnadhi pips ahead due to sheer appeal of its content.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Jan 15 14:41:44 2007.

  Prabhu,
  That link was interesting. Thanks
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Thinkfloyd, the cut from TirunAgEswaram to the chit fund pooja with the mantra chanting preceding the visuals, is one of the many places where voice overlap is used beautifully in the film. One other scene that comes to my mind is, the scene where Krishna is sitting dazed in the office after Dhanush leaves (after firing Manju). The visuals are still there but we hear the voice of the lawyer from the next scene : "ivan definite-a fraud sir".

  
  Yes. In addition to sound overlaps we can also see one scene dissolve into the next on many occassions.
  
  Special mention must be made of the musical score by Ilayaiyaraja. Of course, a movie is great because all its building blocks are great. The short recurring violin piece which accompanies all the powerful and sad scenes haunts me to this day. I think Kamal is the first to use songs as part of the narrative. Well, almost. All the songs are situational but top-class nevertheless. There is one version of the "Thai Pongal" song which is different from the version which comes in the movie. I wish they had used the casette version instead. Great singing by Chitra. The beauty of that song is depending on when you watch it or listen to it, it can be a happy song or a sad song.
  
  One more thing. They say R.Santhana Bharathi is the director
  
  

• From: Kumar on Mon Jan 15 18:26:35 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  In his subtle and mischievous indictment of religion (a recurrent theme in this film and in Kamal's work in general), Krishnaswamy will also say : " avan kasAppu kadai vachurikkAn. piLLaikkaRi kEkkuravan nee". The climax itself begins when VenkatAchalam is in the middle of a poojai when called by Dhanush. .

  
  
  PR, thinkfloyd, great posts. Great analysis.
  
  I thought the use of paedophiles and pimps was abrave move as they are topics not usually covered in movies....or at least not in great depth. It's disturbing that such a despicable practice has it's roots deeply planted in society. It's ironical that in the 'Peigaley nambathey' song, Krishna and his mother in law are teaching their children that demons and ghosts do not exists and hence should not be feared. Well, they do exist- in the form of the con man, the corrupt jailer, his right hand man (Tullukana), the paedophole politician, the pimps and brothel operators. When Krishna sets out to avenge all the heartaches that he and his family had to endure, it's almost his way of saying sorry to his family for building up this 'false' sense of security; reassuring them that there is nothing to fear. Unfortunately, through his acquiantance with a fraud, his family suffers greatly.
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Jan 16 8:38:39 2007.

  adding to this I have another 2 other important scenes to quote.
  
  1. Kamal talking to poornam about koovam by standing close to the napier bridge. He says, everyone wanted to close the nose and noone wanted to clean it. Rather, everyone spoils koovam but nobody has the initiation to clean it up.('cos our toils are always mixing with koovam- stupid drainage system we have now). Earlier the buckhimgam canal use to connect lot of places and it was good via media transport for the 19the century ppl. The second scene again with pooram and suganya saying can you guys wait for another 8.5 years? . When he decides to kill MN, he says he will 15 years and the remission cut and all these stuff will make him to be in jail for only 8.5 years, as he does the murder for a noble cause (from his angle).. What a thinker he is?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Jan 16 16:26:22 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Yes. In addition to sound overlaps we can also see one scene dissolve into the next on many occassions.

  Is it ? I am not able to recall many dissolves (it is atleast a year since I last saw the film). Can you tell us more ?
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  I think Kamal is the first to use songs as part of the narrative. Well, almost. All the songs are situational but top-class nevertheless.

  And Vaali, the undernoticed master:
  
  muppAttan kaalam thottu muppOgam yaarAle
  kalmEdu thANdi varum kAveri neerAle
  .
  ..
  sevvAzhai senkarumbu jaathimalli thOttam dhAn
  ellAme ingirukka Edhumillai vaattam dhAn
  sorgam enbadhu kaNNil uLLadhu kanavil illayadi
  Lines whose wisdom we do not fathom at that time of the movie. All the lyrics in this film are closely related to the storytelling, particularly in:
  
  indhA gangA nathiyai paarkkumbOdhu uNmai viLangudhu
  ingE kuLikkum manidhan azukkil gangai kalangudhu
  indha pollA janangaL paavakkaLaiyai neeril kazuvudhu
  indha muttAL thanaththai engE solli naanum azuvadhu ?
  
  pretty much rounds up the film and even sets you up for the climax. So much of Kamal's influence that one may believe the lyric-writing was a collaborative effort (which Kamal mentioned once is how it works when Vaali,IR and he work).
  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  There is one version of the "Thai Pongal" song which is different from the version which comes in the movie.

  Hmm.....the song itself ?
  
  The tune is used thrice. Once for the thaippongal in tirunAgeswaram (first flashback). Second is Kamal's 'thanmAnam uLLa nenjam' that rushes us through the last leg of KrishnA's jail-life. And then 'engEyo thikku thisai', again in Kamal's voice, when they are in the boat in the Ganges.
  
  I remember that in the casette, the thaippongal song had an extra stanza sung by ChitrA that is not found in the film. I don't recall the lyrics but it is about blessing a family that venturing out leaving its moorings. Presumably there may have been some scenes showing the shifting, which were later cut out to jump from the calculator-to-the poojai that we discussed.
  
  

  Kumar wrote:

  It's ironical that in the 'Peigaley nambathey' song, Krishna and his mother in law are teaching their children that demons and ghosts do not exists and hence should not be feared. Well, they do exist- in the form of the con man, the corrupt jailer, his right hand man (Tullukana), the paedophole politician, the pimps and brothel operators.

  ennappA ? I thought the song was exactly about such demons-in-human form.
  
  uzaikkAma vambu pEsi alaivAnE avan pEi
  paNam sErkka pAdhai maaRi paRappAnE avan bootham
  
  Just that, given his hitherto naive exposure, Krishna is only able to think of mild demons. His innocence is forcibly lost. Whose isn't ? Would the kanakadhArA stotram chanting PanchApakEsan have ever thought he'd address a brothel madam as 'paradEvathE' ?
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Tue Jan 16 17:47:14 2007.

  PR
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Tue Jan 16 17:59:37 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Thinkfloyd, the cut from TirunAgEswaram to the chit fund pooja with the mantra chanting preceding the visuals, is one of the many places where voice overlap is used beautifully in the film. One other scene that comes to my mind is, the scene where Krishna is sitting dazed in the office after Dhanush leaves (after firing Manju). The visuals are still there but we hear the voice of the lawyer from the next scene : "ivan definite-a fraud sir". What, my choice is is MahAnadhi. The excellent presentation in ThEvar Magan is very tempting, but my MahAnadhi pips ahead due to sheer appeal of its content.

  
  
  That was a brilliant portrayal PR .... but there are some points that i wish to quote ..... about Thevar Magan....
  
  Mannukku Mariyadhai .... is wat i see this film as ..... very aptly said by Sivaji .... "indha katta ingaye irundhu erinju saambalaagi, indha mannukku uramaa aagumae thavira ... veliyila varaaadhu" - Absolutely marvellous....
  
  Shakthi ... a character who was basically soft n romantic understands the situation in his birthplace, understands the importance of his birthsoil, understands the very importance of word(vaaku) and takes up his dad's position...... that was simply wonderful....
  
  this basically cannot be compared with the character Krishna in Mahanadhi .... is wat my humble feeling is.....
  
  

• From: Kumar on Tue Jan 16 18:05:50 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Kumar wrote: It's ironical that in the 'Peigaley nambathey' song, Krishna and his mother in law are teaching their children that demons and ghosts do not exists and hence should not be feared. Well, they do exist- in the form of the con man, the corrupt jailer, his right hand man (Tullukana), the paedophole politician, the pimps and brothel operators. ennappA ? I thought the song was exactly about such demons-in-human form. uzaikkAma vambu pEsi alaivAnE avan pEi paNam sErkka pAdhai maaRi paRappAnE avan bootham Just that, given his hitherto naive exposure, Krishna is only able to think of mild demons. His innocence is forcibly lost. Whose isn't ? Would the kanakadhArA stotram chanting PanchApakEsan have ever thought he'd address a brothel madam as 'paradEvathE' ?

  
  
  That's true; it's been a good 1.5 years since I've seen the film....but your retention is way better than mine
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Jan 16 19:24:13 2007.

  there is one more version of the song, which is not in film but in casette, you know what, it was sung by the great SPB.
  
  it is meant to be when krishna leaves his village....here goes the lyrics
  
  anbaana thaayai vittu enge nee sendraalum
  neengaathu unnai vittu, ennangal ennaalum
  aiyaa un paatham patta boomi thaayinmadi
  engeyum ethum illai eedu sollumbadi
  kaaveri alaigal unnai karayil vanthu thedidum
  kaanaamal varuthapattu thalaiguninthu odidum
  oru bantham enbathum paasam enbathum veru vitta idam
  ithai vittaal unnenjai vaazha vaippathu veru entha idam
  
  than mannai vittoru kuruvi kudumbam paranthu poduthadi
  athu innaal varaikkum iruntha koottai maranthu poguthadi
  intha nenjil ippadi aasai vanthoru kolamittathadi
  ithil nanmai koodattum theemai odattum kaalam vittavazhi
  
  Somehow this song comes into my mind, whenever i leave from my native! this is one song which brings my respect and appreciation to vaali
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Jan 17 1:28:54 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Is it ? I am not able to recall many dissolves (it is atleast a year since I last saw the film). Can you tell us more ?

  
  There are quite a few dissolves. Not able to pinpoint the exact scenes or frames. Especially the beginning jail scenes.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  And Vaali, the undernoticed master: .... .... pretty much rounds up the film and even sets you up for the climax. So much of Kamal's influence that one may believe the lyric-writing was a collaborative effort (which Kamal mentioned once is how it works when Vaali,IR and he work).

  
  Very correct
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hmm.....the song itself ? .

  
  Yes, apart from the three stage-wise versions, there is a different version of the Thirunageswaram song. Or is it the missing stanze that you are mentioning, now that sakalakalavallavar reminds us that there is an SPB version? Chitra's singing is supern. Brings out the emotion beautifully and also, the rhythm pattern is different when she starts out the stanza, different from the version shown in the movie.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Would the kanakadhArA stotram chanting PanchApakEsan have ever thought he'd address a brothel madam as 'paradEvathE' ?

  
  And thereby making himself and the lines prime mimmicry material - on a lighter vein
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Jan 17 9:52:46 2007.

  
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Thu Jan 18 0:54:52 2007.

  Great discussion guys
  
  

• From: thimuru on Thu Jan 18 4:44:26 2007.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2717366010926682399&q=thevar+magan
  
  enjoy the scene
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jan 18 15:33:50 2007.

  bingleguy wrote:

  Shakthi ... a character who was basically soft n romantic understands the situation in his birthplace, understands the importance of his birthsoil, understands the very importance of word(vaaku) and takes up his dad's position...... that was simply wonderful...

  And how irritatingly reluctant he is for a long time. Even the 'famous' scene with his father does not change his mind and he makes no secret of it, when speaking with his collector friend - digr. unreliable sources say the guy who played that was M.S.Prabhu the cinematographer who was then PC Sriram's assistant.
  
  Even after the reservoir sabotage his position is not made clear (SivAji comes to the godown where the afflicted are rehabilitated, with a proud expression on his face for it looks like his son seems to be taking active interest finally. When he asks him why he has not eaten "pasikkalayaa ?", Sakthi will reply " pidikkilai". SivAji's face will betray a sharp flash of disappointment - perhaps he was jumping to conclusions about his son. Looks like his position of distaste is unchanged. Of course, Sakthi goes on to dispels all doubt in the very next minute and relieve his father.
  
  I wasn't trying to compare Krishnaswamy and Sakthi but the two films. While ThEvar Magan makes on reexamine one's opinion on tradition, relationships and individualism, the themes in MahAnadhi are a whole lot broader in appeal (IMO) and arresting.
  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Or is it the missing stanze that you are mentioning, now that sakalakalavallavar reminds us that there is an SPB version?

  No. I goofed. It is the one SKV is talking posted. (Thanks SKV.) Somehow I seem to keep hearing those lines in my head in ChitrA's voice
  

  thimuru wrote:

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2717366010926682399&q=thevar+magan enjoy the scene

  Thank You.Each time I see it, I am more and more convinced that it is windy on purpose.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Thu Jan 18 21:41:54 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  bingleguy wrote: Shakthi ... a character who was basically soft n romantic understands the situation in his birthplace, understands the importance of his birthsoil, understands the very importance of word(vaaku) and takes up his dad's position...... that was simply wonderful... And how irritatingly reluctant he is for a long time. Even the 'famous' scene with his father does not change his mind and he makes no secret of it, when speaking with his collector friend - digr. unreliable sources say the guy who played that was M.S.Prabhu the cinematographer who was then PC Sriram's assistant. Even after the reservoir sabotage his position is not made clear (SivAji comes to the godown where the afflicted are rehabilitated, with a proud expression on his face for it looks like his son seems to be taking active interest finally. When he asks him why he has not eaten "pasikkalayaa ?", Sakthi will reply " pidikkilai". SivAji's face will betray a sharp flash of disappointment - perhaps he was jumping to conclusions about his son. Looks like his position of distaste is unchanged. Of course, Sakthi goes on to dispels all doubt in the very next minute and relieve his father. I wasn't trying to compare Krishnaswamy and Sakthi but the two films. While ThEvar Magan makes on reexamine one's opinion on tradition, relationships and individualism, the themes in MahAnadhi are a whole lot broader in appeal (IMO) and arresting. thinkfloyd wrote: Or is it the missing stanze that you are mentioning, now that sakalakalavallavar reminds us that there is an SPB version? No. I goofed. It is the one SKV is talking posted. (Thanks SKV.) Somehow I seem to keep hearing those lines in my head in ChitrA's voice thimuru wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2717366010926682399&q=thevar+magan enjoy the scene Thank You.Each time I see it, I am more and more convinced that it is windy on purpose.

  
  
  prabhu ram ..wind effect is used in one or more scenes of devar mahan...and also those type of wind is usual in TN..rather it gives the desired effect
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Thu Jan 18 22:41:26 2007.

  Thevar Magan:
  A classic without doubt.
  Film-making at its best - acting, screenplay, direction, dialogue, cinematography (except for the bulb-in-the-bottom lighting in the car), and musical score. The musical score is so complete and entwined with the story that it becomes one of the leading characters in the film.
  Scene-a ulvaangi making the music explain what the scene is about - Ilaiyaraaja is peerless in this.
  
  After Kurudhippunal, this is Nasser's finest performance. One aspect which was a welcome relief is the realism thrown in the dialogue
  
  "Sandhanam minjuna kundila poosuvaangalaam"
  "seemai-lendhu dhaane vandirukkaen.. Vakkali sethu pozhacha vandirukkaen?"
  "Edhiri veettu p** thinna vandheegalo??"
  
  I'm just quoting dialogues here, so i hope i don't need to apologize
  Almost all the dialogues have a striking sense of everday earthiness in them, not very common in Tamil films. Still, Kamal could have done away with the corny most-repeated-line-in-English-films "Let's get out of here. Let's get the hell out of here".
  
  Unfortunately, we as audience ourselves have mixed up priorities and judgements when it comes to accepting and terming what constitutes vulgarity.
  
  Sivaji pathi sollave vendaam. Its my favorite performance from him. On par with Mudhal Mariyadhai. Its easy to point out the 'famous' ones. The conversation with Kamal. However, there are quite a few other gems. The first family lunch/dinner when Kamal explains about his "chain of restaurants" ("thamizh-liyum adhaan" ) is one. Effortless acting.
  
  Revathi gets her accent spot on. The only other i can remember is Abhirami in Virumaandi. Gowthami shows us that glamour and acting are not mutually exclusive. One of my favorite phases in the movie is the series of scenes after she comes back to Thoovalur oblivious to the fact that Shakthi has married Panjavarnam.
  Kamal has always unfairly been taunted (sometimes lovingly) or mimmicked with his "aahh.. aaahh..." thing. People forget his performances where he doesn't have to resort to that. Look at how restrained he is in these scenes. Perfect portrayal of a man bottling up his emotions and trying to bury his love so that he can atleast save his marriage and village.
  
  Prabhu,
  About the wind, i think it might be a nod to Kurosawa who used rain and wind often as mood-setters...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Thu Jan 18 22:48:02 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Thevar Magan: A classic without doubt. Film-making at its best - acting, screenplay, direction, dialogue, cinematography (except for the bulb-in-the-bottom lighting in the car), and musical score. The musical score is so complete and entwined with the story that it becomes one of the leading characters in the film. Scene-a ulvaangi making the music explain what the scene is about - Ilaiyaraaja is peerless in this. After Kurudhippunal, this is Nasser's finest performance. One aspect which was a welcome relief is the realism thrown in the dialogue "Sandhanam minjuna kundila poosuvaangalaam" "seemai-lendhu dhaane vandirukkaen.. Vakkali sethu pozhacha vandirukkaen?" "Edhiri veettu p** thinna vandheegalo??" I'm just quoting dialogues here, so i hope i don't need to apologize Almost all the dialogues have a striking sense of everday earthiness in them, not very common in Tamil films. Still, Kamal could have done away with the corny most-repeated-line-in-English-films "Let's get out of here. Let's get the hell out of here". Unfortunately, we as audience ourselves have mixed up priorities and judgements when it comes to accepting and terming what constitutes vulgarity. Sivaji pathi sollave vendaam. Its my favorite performance from him. On par with Mudhal Mariyadhai. Its easy to point out the 'famous' ones. The conversation with Kamal. However, there are quite a few other gems. The first family lunch/dinner when Kamal explains about his "chain of restaurants" ("thamizh-liyum adhaan" ) is one. Effortless acting. Revathi gets her accent spot on. The only other i can remember is Abhirami in Virumaandi. Gowthami shows us that glamour and acting are not mutually exclusive. One of my favorite phases in the movie is the series of scenes after she comes back to Thoovalur oblivious to the fact that Shakthi has married Panjavarnam. Kamal has always unfairly been taunted (sometimes lovingly) or mimmicked with his "aahh.. aaahh..." thing. People forget his performances where he doesn't have to resort to that. Look at how restrained he is in these scenes. Perfect portrayal of a man bottling up his emotions and trying to bury his love so that he can atleast save his marriage and village. Prabhu, About the wind, i think it might be a nod to Kurosawa who used rain and wind often as mood-setters...

  
  
  u eft out vadivelu
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jan 18 23:42:59 2007.

  Nice post thinkfloyd. Especially the earthy dialogues. "sandhanam minjunaa" was Nasser's opening line.
  "enna eLavudaa idhu. cheemailErndhu dhAnE vandhirukkEan. sethu pozachA vandhirukkean" is KaakA RadhAkrishnan's opening line.
  In just two lines you already know their attitudes, characters we already hate them. Great writing.
  
  The swearing in the movie were spot on. Even VadivElu in the hospital bed swears in unique local. Some of the usages were very specific to the dialect. Considering Kamal lived in that area only as a kid, it is amazing how much he has absorbed of the dialect.
  
  For instance when Sakthi draws first blood in the kambu saNdai, the sandiyar, Sandhanam says :" aathee bayandhu varudhappOi". It is a usage so specific to the area that superficial observers of the dialect would have never observed. After this film, we have seen this only in VirumANdi. When Nallamma Naicker is surrounded by the armed KothALa thEvar gang, he says the oh-so-sarcastic : "Aaththi, bayandhu varudhu"
  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Prabhu, About the wind, i think it might be a nod to Kurosawa who used rain and wind often as mood-setters...

  I had a little more elaborate (and farfetched) view.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Jan 19 0:51:30 2007.

  PR,
  
  thats nice connection...did kamal make it that way?
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Jan 19 1:30:25 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  I had a little more elaborate (and farfetched) view.

  
  Prabhu,
  Whether Kamal meant it to be that way or not (your case seems to be strong), that observation was brilliant
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Jan 19 1:43:18 2007.

  its better we direct a movie and let prabhu raam explain it
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Jan 19 1:45:39 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  its better we direct a movie and let prabhu raam explain it

  
  It'd be better if Prabhu conceives and directs the film
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Jan 20 13:50:34 2007.

  Prabhu and Sakalakalavallavar,
  This is what i was talking about - Thai Pongal song
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sat Jan 20 14:39:10 2007.

  Thanks thinkfloyd. But this is the first song. What was the difference between this version and the one in the film. I didn't get it ?
  
  The song that is usually cut on TV and even in some theatres is 'sollAdha RaagangaL'. It comes when YamunA meets KrishnA in the prison. A good looking song but IMO a childish speedbreaker, where the grille separating them disappears and they are transported to a lush green forest and swing around holding hands !!!
  
  One mini-song that is there in the film but not in the audio track is "thEdiyadhu kidaichAle sandhOshappadum manasu" in IR's voice. It is the song we here in the background when KrishnA's dines with MaNNAngatti's family and carries a sleeping BaraNi home. Lovely song.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sat Jan 20 14:46:44 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  One mini-song that is there in the film but not in the audio track is "thEdiyadhu kidaichAle sandhOshappadum manasu" in IR's voice. It is the song we here in the background when KrishnA's dines with MaNNAngatti's family and carries a sleeping BaraNi home. Lovely song.

  
  
  Great going PR ! Keep up the good work
  
  True ! I watched Mahanadhi again today. The lyrics of this particular song were kind of melting. Lovely indeed.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Jan 20 15:19:58 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Thanks thinkfloyd. But this is the first song. What was the difference between this version and the one in the film. I didn't get it ?

  
  The rhythm
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Feb 7 9:46:28 2007.

  Pushpak: To start with, is the music director of this film Vaidhyanadhan? More importantly L.Vaidhyanadhan as in L.Subramaniam and L.Shankar?
  
  Rest, after this...
  
  

• From: Saamy on Wed Feb 7 10:22:10 2007.

  i favourite line from gauthami is
  "namma innaa panna mudiyum anni....."
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Feb 8 15:18:25 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Pushpak: To start with, is the music director of this film Vaidhyanadhan? More importantly L.Vaidhyanadhan as in L.Subramaniam and L.Shankar? Rest, after this...

  Yes. The very same L.Vaidyanathan.
  
  L.Subramaniam was supposed score the music for Hey Ram. Then LS and KH had some differences and he was replaced by IR. LA had completed a song and they had picturized parts of it (which later became pollAdha Madhana BaaNam). IR composed music for a song whose picturization was already done. IR won a filmfare for background scores for this film - one of the best examples of background scores ever.
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Fri Feb 9 4:00:24 2007.

  Love Love Me Dear from Simla Special..
  Very Nice song.. somehow not popular..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 6:40:55 2007.

  Raikkonen wrote:

  Love Love Me Dear from Simla Special.. Very Nice song.. somehow not popular..

  
  
  yeah...wonderful song...I am surprised that the music director of simla special is MSV
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 9 6:53:56 2007.

  Thanks Prabhu.
  
  and yes, Hey Ram was a musical masterpiece, among other things
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 9 6:54:41 2007.

  "Unakkenna Meley.." is one of my favorite MSV numbers..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 9 7:00:39 2007.

  in Heyraam, kamal would have decided to kill mahatma, in one scene, he will be at home, some thaathaa will be on bed rest for years due to some health problem, sddenly he will open his eyes and say "Mahaa paavam".....i initially didnot understand who he is, only lated i got to know who he is.......things like these make hey raam a bit tough movie, but still its a great movie
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 8:24:25 2007.

  In Heyram,
  
  Kamal will argue with Mahatma and will win the argument. By saying" are you not feeling guilty for the riot" for the mahatma will say "we are collectively responsible for it- along with MA Jinnah"..However, the applause will go for mahatma and not for sahetram.. The looks sahetram look was amazing ,which will clearly make others as duds/fools. That was a very nice situation, indeed.
  
  Heyram- Kalathin Pokkisaham.. Tamizarkal seytha Virayam..
  
  Evanga taste, 4 punch dialgoute, sataaya avathu kattti, kay viral thooki..
  
  che eppo marum entha samudayam..
  
  Anbesivam/Mahnathi: man .. u should have gotten guts to watch a movie like that..Not as a kamal fan..
  
  I still love good movies, which will have messages to the community not crap movies..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 8:40:47 2007.

  regarding look..
  
  in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he!
  
  at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome!
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 10:51:31 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  regarding look.. in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he! at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome!

  
  
  Thimiru:
  
  I still couldn't forget the interrogations scenes and the climax. Man it's amazing!!! especially, when kamal fly and hit into the wall against the flying bullets... (operation dhanush).. wow...Simply superb... and the dialgoues(thokkira side la irunthu poradukirom).. mind blowing one ..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 11:00:26 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  thimuru wrote: regarding look.. in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he! at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome! Thimiru: I still couldn't forget the interrogations scenes and the climax. Man it's amazing!!! especially, when kamal fly and hit into the wall against the flying bullets... (operation dhanush).. wow...Simply superb... and the dialgoues(thokkira side la irunthu poradukirom).. mind blowing one ..

  
  
  "u seem to be a man driven by ideologies"....sidhaandhathinal undhapattavan maadhiri theriyudhu...ohh....sorry...english theriyadhavanukku translate pandra maadiri tamizhaa soldren...of course u must be knowing english!
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 11:04:23 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: thimuru wrote: regarding look.. in kurudipunal when nasser was arrested ..he would be standing and kamal would be revolving around nasser and just ask whoz he! at a point when kamal places his hand on nassers shoulder nasser would catch the hand...surprised kamal will give him a look... awesome awesome! Thimiru: I still couldn't forget the interrogations scenes and the climax. Man it's amazing!!! especially, when kamal fly and hit into the wall against the flying bullets... (operation dhanush).. wow...Simply superb... and the dialgoues(thokkira side la irunthu poradukirom).. mind blowing one .. "u seem to be a man driven by ideologies"....sidhaandhathinal undhapattavan maadhiri theriyudhu...ohh....sorry...english theriyadhavanukku translate pandra maadiri tamizhaa soldren...of course u must be knowing english!

  
  
  May be!!! However, not to your level of english though..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Fri Feb 9 11:09:28 2007.

  amarsiva....adhu kurudhipunal dialogue-u...
  
  not at u
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 9 11:51:52 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  amarsiva....adhu kurudhipunal dialogue-u... not at u

  
  
  sorry ..about it..thimiru.. just mistaken..
  
  

• From: NOV on Fri Feb 9 22:23:12 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  yeah...wonderful song...I am surprised that the music director of simla special is MSV

  
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Feb 9 22:27:12 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  thimuru wrote: yeah...wonderful song...I am surprised that the music director of simla special is MSV

  
  
  Ninaithaale Inikkum MD yaarunnu thimiru ninachirukkaro theriyalla
  
  

• From: NOV on Fri Feb 9 22:45:50 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Ninaithaale Inikkum MD yaarunnu thimiru ninachirukkaro theriyalla

  adhu mattum illa Joe, 1975kku munnaala kamal padaththula paattu illaiyO?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Feb 11 10:37:23 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koqeSXJtvvo
  
  this video link is posted already, hjust see the comments for these ........most of them dont now who is kamal but it seems they liked his dance......gr8
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Feb 11 18:31:54 2007.

  Aandavar's interview in Asianet (rerun)
  
  http://prabhukrish.net/2007/02/11/kamalhassans-interview-on-asianet/
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRepjdqnk1k
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRepjdqnk1k
  
  
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Feb 15 0:19:50 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWiT1pmLgrk
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 16 1:30:53 2007.

  can someone give the link for lyrics of HeyRaam Title song, written by kamal?
  
  

• From: Kollywoodfan on Fri Feb 16 15:23:29 2007.

  Touching scene between Kamal & Maddy from Anbae Sivam
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=bmOy6p87TWI&mode=related&search=
  
  Poo Vasam song
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=hMgazeuB3Xk
  
  Ammavum Neeyae
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=odHgGJx_4to
  
  Kutty Kamal is SOOO adorable!!
  
  

• From: Kollywoodfan on Sat Feb 17 0:07:32 2007.

  Thevar Magan movie on google
  
  http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie
  
  

• From: sandiyar_k on Sat Feb 17 5:57:06 2007.

  ilamai itho itho
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWEFvUeTPg&NR
  
  
  just see the comments people...
  
  wowwwww.........
  
  
  He only can do like this.. this video was shot 25 years before.. but still some foreigners are going crazy over it....
  
  no other actor can evoke such a response...
  
  
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sat Feb 17 6:52:52 2007.

  sandiyar_k wrote:

  ilamai itho itho http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWEFvUeTPg&NR

  
  The best song ever composed in IFM IMO
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Mon Feb 19 0:17:24 2007.

  Kollywoodfan wrote:

  Thevar Magan movie on google http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie

  
  
  Is it posible to download this movie?
  
  

• From: villan007 on Mon Feb 19 0:27:28 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  Kollywoodfan wrote: Thevar Magan movie on google http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie Is it posible to download this movie?

  
  
  https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/
  
  
  
  and you may need a flv player too http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467082.html
  
  

• From: sandiyar_k on Mon Feb 19 1:39:38 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  Kollywoodfan wrote: Thevar Magan movie on google http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-8832236917392128207&q=tamil+movie Is it posible to download this movie?

  Download the Google Video Player. and Using that player u can download the movie .
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Feb 19 2:46:55 2007.

  Download videos from Youtube, Google, iFilm, Metacafe, DailyMotion, Music - http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php
  
  http://www.erightsoft.net/SupCk2.html - Ultimate format converter, for videos, i converted the Ilamai itho song to 3gp, using this software...quality is ultimate
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Feb 19 18:49:46 2007.

  Mass defined!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Feb 19 19:12:31 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ

  
  The only movie I've ever watched FDFS (and I was the envy of my friends at school). I remember looking on starry eyed at the hysteria unable to believe the enthusiasm. Sigh!! Those were the days..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Feb 19 19:15:54 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ The only movie I've ever watched FDFS (and I was the envy of my friends at school). I remember looking on starry eyed at the hysteria unable to believe the enthusiasm. Sigh!! Those were the days..

  
  Kannan,
  I implore you to come to India (preferably Madurai) for the FDFS of Dasa....
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Feb 19 19:25:52 2007.

  Thinkfloyd, I would love to . Eppadiyum indha varusha trip baaki irukku. If things work out, I would sure be there.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Feb 19 22:11:52 2007.

  Watching VETAYAADU VILAYAADU tonight! Man, what a great movie...
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3621023723945513572&q=tamil+movie
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Feb 19 22:13:17 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ

  
  
  One of my fav Kamal songs! I was in my 4th or 5th grade then! Sweet Memories!
  
  
  
  

• From: Surya on Mon Feb 19 22:13:53 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Watching VETAYAADU VILAYAADU tonight! Man, what a great movie... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3621023723945513572&q=tamil+movie

  
  
  Seriously? That's the print ur watching it in? U know the DVD is out.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Feb 19 22:18:47 2007.

  Surya wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Watching VETAYAADU VILAYAADU tonight! Man, what a great movie... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3621023723945513572&q=tamil+movie Seriously? That's the print ur watching it in? U know the DVD is out.

  
  
  Check my location Surya!
  
  

• From: Surya on Mon Feb 19 22:22:08 2007.

  Oh ya..that's right...WOW..that sucks dude!! Try some of the Old Topics in Orkut's Kamal Comms, comms like "D'load new tamil movies" or s'thing. I'm sure u can find a better print than that..If i remember correctly, even Lankashree has a watchable print. Good Luck.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Feb 20 7:49:09 2007.

  is there anyone who knows more about the Jallikattu fight? my friend says that Murattu kaalai fight is more realistinc than Virumaandi's...can anyone throw light on this?
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 20 7:53:14 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Mass defined! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKwm-rTg6WQ

  
  
  Aboorva SahodarargaL
  Need an MP3 Version of the same. Any Pointers?. Would be happy to receive some more like "Naan thaaN Raja", "Singaari sarakku" etc along with this
  
  Ofcourse in a ZIP or RAR format
  
  

• From: thimuru on Tue Feb 20 7:53:33 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  is there anyone who knows more about the Jallikattu fight? my friend says that Murattu kaalai fight is more realistinc than Virumaandi's...can anyone throw light on this?

  
  
  ur friend must have been from mars
  
  I have seen alanganallur jallikattu in my young age!
  
  only thing in virumandi is ....the area is smaller...normally they allow in big grounds!
  
  murattu kaalai ...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Feb 20 8:08:01 2007.

  thimiru, instead of starting an argument, it would be nice if u say some specific reason to judge ur statement, even i feel viru should be more realistic, bu i hav not seen murattukaalai's so i could not comment
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 20 10:07:47 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  thimiru, instead of starting an argument, it would be nice if u say some specific reason to judge ur statement, even i feel viru should be more realistic, bu i hav not seen murattukaalai's so i could not comment

  
  
  i think in murattukaalai for most part, they have cut pasted some original jallikattu scenes from real villages (like some news reel)....
  
  virumaandi paarthu rombha naal aachu so i can't say whether there is any cut paste items...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Tue Feb 20 11:13:05 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  thimiru, instead of starting an argument, it would be nice if u say some specific reason to judge ur statement, even i feel viru should be more realistic, bu i hav not seen murattukaalai's so i could not comment

  
  
  the surroundings is not like murattu kaalai...where people watch a man do things!
  
  just like virumaandi the bull is run amongst a big crowd !
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Feb 20 15:14:19 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJqGmHexQY
  - vAzha vaikkum kAdhalukku jEy
  
  1) Annan and Anni "chemistry", "physics", "biology"....
  2) Brilliant screenplay by Aandavara
  3) Ilaiyaraaja
  What a brilliant composition even in a funky song! Raaja, only you faasible.
  Superb first interlude and beautiful usage of rhythm and bass guitar throughout the song.
  Check out from 1:41 to 1:53. Ivalavu funky song la enna complex phrase.... not all can sing this...
  
  idhu endha rAgam
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Feb 20 16:02:05 2007.

  
  

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJqGmHexQY - vAzha vaikkum kAdhalukku jEy 1) Annan and Anni "chemistry", "physics", "biology"....

  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Feb 21 9:59:12 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJqGmHexQY - vAzha vaikkum kAdhalukku jEy 1) Annan and Anni "chemistry", "physics", "biology".... 2) Brilliant screenplay by Aandavara 3) Ilaiyaraaja What a brilliant composition even in a funky song! Raaja, only you faasible. Superb first interlude and beautiful usage of rhythm and bass guitar throughout the song. Check out from 1:41 to 1:53. Ivalavu funky song la enna complex phrase.... not all can sing this... idhu endha rAgam

  
  
  dheivame..... neenga engeyo poitteenga
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Feb 22 12:52:43 2007.

  aaaaaaaaaaaa countless!
  
  1. abhirami abhirami!
  
  One of his best...
  
  "avaL oru thodarkathai his mimicry song"
  
  "athu eppothum kiLi alla
  kiNatru thavaLAi thaan appothu therinthathamma"
  
  (mimics frog sound)
  
  cries... MANAGES TO SMILE...
  
  so young yet so flawless PERFORMANCE.
  
  I cant stop my tears everytime I see it.
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Feb 22 12:54:10 2007.

  Sigappu rojakkaL
  
  "azhaga irukku"
  " ethu "
  "naan kercheif sonnen"
  
  a perfect smile to show THE FIRST MOVE, flirtatious smile, supressed grin...,
  
  wow
  
  

• From: Designer on Thu Feb 22 13:13:42 2007.

  For me, most scenes from NAYAGAN are favorites. And are nostalgic too, bcos thats when I met Kamal for the first time, after he had removed his mustache for the film.
  
  PL : 'Sigappu Rojaakkal' - ya the initial meetings between Sridevi & kamal
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 23 2:44:11 2007.

  After reading news about the martial arts fight scene to be placed in Dasa, i could not stop thingking abt kamal's stunt performances. i feel he had done some of the best stunt scenes in tamil cinema
  
  to name some, from my memory
  Enakkul Oruvan - the intro of the 2nd kamal and his fight, Superb stunt
  
  Devar magan - the Kambu Fight - aandavar proves he is a trained guy in kambu fight
  
  Virumaandi - Bullfight Bravery
  
  any other good stunts????
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Feb 23 3:31:06 2007.

  So many. Plenty in KakkiChattai and Vikram. In Indiran Chandiran, he does a Jackie Chan on top of the bus, jumping over poles and boards. I can remember the stunts but need to match it with the right movie.
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Feb 23 3:55:42 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Devar magan - the Kambu Fight - aandavar proves he is a trained guy in kambu fight

  
  
  Yes,Heard he got professional training.
  
  You know one thing .In my village ,there are lot of Chilampam Aasans .They used to laugh all chilampu fights in movies ,except for MGR silampu sandai ..They say only silampu sandai in MGR movies are professional ..But after Devar magan ,many told me Kamal is the second hero after MGR did simalpu sandai professionally.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Feb 23 4:15:46 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Yes,Heard he got professional training. You know one thing .In my village ,there are lot of Chilampam Aasans .They used to laugh all chilampu fights in movies ,except for MGR silampu sandai ..They say only silampu sandai in MGR movies are professional ..But after Devar magan ,many told me Kamal is the second hero after MGR did simalpu sandai professionally.

  
  
  Avasarattilee 3 different spellings for Silambu.
  
  Anyway, I agree with them, MGR and Kamal are very, very graceful in their silambu fight sequences. Almost dancing in their movement, that is why the song Saanthu Pottu is very effective, its dancing and fighting. But the fight was too brief. I wish Kamal has done a fullscale silambu fight ala MGR.
  
  In the eighties...again, inspired by Jackie Chan, he made use of any available props. Remember the bench fight in TTT? Adapted from Drunken Master (I think) Kamal and his stunt master re-imagined the fight around a tea stall. I consider that scene as one of the best fight sequence in Tamil films.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Feb 23 4:59:58 2007.

  silly doubt, TTT means thoongathey thambi thoongathey OR TicTic Tic ???
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Feb 23 5:04:17 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  silly doubt, TTT means thoongathey thambi thoongathey OR TicTic Tic ???

  
  
  Tongathey, of course. Ultimate masala movie. Everything you want from Kamal, you get it. With a double role to boot!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 23 5:04:53 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  silly doubt, TTT means thoongathey thambi thoongathey OR TicTic Tic ???

  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Fri Feb 23 5:06:00 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Tongathey, of course. Ultimate masala movie. Everything you want from Kamal, you get it. With a double role to boot!

  
  
  "You've got 5 days to save your ass!"
  Foreign return-a ennamma kalakkiruppaaru...
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 23 6:39:22 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: Tongathey, of course. Ultimate masala movie. Everything you want from Kamal, you get it. With a double role to boot! "You've got 5 days to save your ass!" Foreign return-a ennamma kalakkiruppaaru...

  
  
  Some other good stunts are:
  
  1. Even the horse fight in TTT will be very nice and it is a reall stunt.
  2. KP Train Jumping the real one...
  3. Mahanadhi.. Fights ..(There after that punch is known as kamal punch - in the tamil cine fighting industry ) ..
  4. VV- The typical Police KNott- Pls watch in two scenes( when he goes along with the ny police to their apts, then the second in the velachery bridge..he puts a great knot and tell-- ""tha yarkitteh)
  5. Per sollum pillai ..he will really hang in the bokline(for a very long time)
  6. Anbe sivam ( Iron monkey kind of fight with the umbrella)..
  7. Even lot of good stunts from Nandhu..( the movie failed because of the theme plot)..It is technical brilliant movie in all the aspects...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Feb 27 13:56:42 2007.

  A message posted in Orkut
  
  

  Quote:

  A dwarf Life goes on - for all of us - Isn't it? We used to redicule the real-life 'appu' characters we would have met in our life. We laughted at them; made fun of them - right? Not only us, even in the movies, people made fun of Dwarfs, always shown them as a commodity to be laughed at - sad in deed. But Kamal, because he is Kamal, made a difference. I still cherish the moments of the movie 'Appu Raja' aka "Apoorva Sagotharargal" in which he created History. What a character Appu was! It was very mesmerizing to watch him walking, jumping, moving around - he not only made as laugh as a circus clown; but made us cry by weaving scenes around his love towards Rupini, and made us all feel that - "They're also Humans with the same feelings what we have"! His expressions to Balu's breath-taking song 'Unnai Ninaichen' - a scene which will linger in our minds for the rest our lives! தன் சோகத்தினால் மற்றவர்களைச் சிரிக்கவைப்பவர்கள் அவர்கள்.தெருவில் வித்தைகாட்டும் கூத்தாடிக் கும்பல்களில் குள்ளர்களைப் பார்த்திருக்கிறேன். ஒரே சக்கர சைக்கிளில் கைகளை விரித்து பாலன்ஸ் செய்து ஓட்டிக்கொண்டு போவார்கள். குள்ளர்கள் இல்லாத சர்க்கஸ் உண்டா? குள்ளர்களின் பால் நம் கவனத்தைக் கவர்ந்ததில் 'அப்பு'விற்கு கொஞ்சம் பங்குண்டு. ஒருமுறை கால்களை பின்புறம் மடக்கிக் கட்டிக்கொண்டு நின்று பாருங்கள். தவக்களை குள்ளமணி என்று பொம்மைகளாகவும் நகைக்கத்தக்க கோமாளிகளாகவும் மட்டுமே குள்ளர்களைத் தமிழ்த்திரையுலகம் சித்தரித்துவந்த வேளையில் அவர்கள் பொம்மைகள் இல்லை; விளையாட்டுக் காட்டும் கோமாளிகள் இல்லை; சின்ன உருவங்களுக்குள் இருக்கும் பெரிய மனிதத்தையும், அரிதாரம் பூசிய முகமூடி முகங்களுக்குப் பின்னே இருக்கும் கண்ணீரையும், சாமான்ய மனிதர்களுக்கான அதே உணர்வுகளும் அவர்களுக்கும் உண்டு என்பதையும் காண்பித்ததில் - அப்புவாக அபூர்வ சகோதரர்களில் - கமல் ஹாஸனுக்கும் பங்கு உண்டு. Hats off to you Kamal!

  
  

• From: Designer on Tue Feb 27 22:28:58 2007.

  "Simla Special :
  
  Kamal runs a drama troupe and, in this scene they are about to stage a play in Simla. This evening is crucial for the whole troupe as they are beset with difficulties, one of them being S.Ve.Sekar (kamal's friend and another troupe member) being in dire need of money.
  
  Just then a telegram arrives from Chennai with the sad news that Kamal's mother is seriously ill and that he should return to Chennai. S.Ve.Sekar hides the telegram from Kamal, for he's afraid that Kamal will cancel the play and rush to Chennai, and S.Ve.Sekar will not get the cash he badly needs. But Kamal comes to know of the news in the telegram and the unfriendly act of his friend. He doesn't cancel the play, but in the course of the drama, he uses the scenes in it to show his anger to his friend, by shouting at him and at times hitting him. The audience watching the play thinks its all part of the show and applauds his 'realistic' performance. And after the drama ends, Kamal confronts S.Ve.Sekar in the green room and chides him for doubting his friendship, by telling him that he wouldn't have cancelled the play for he understands how badly his friend needs the money. He berates him for acting selfishly, but forgives him in the end. Superb display of angst, grief, et all by Kamal.
  
  I think he sings this song during the play -
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naalaa
  thaay madiyil pirandhoam thamizh madiyil valarndhoam
  nadigarena malarndhoam naadagaththil kalandhoam
  aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai
  sindhaadha kanneer illai sirippukku panjam illai
  kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai
  un kaiyil andha noolaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa
  
  I think in the song Kamal also hints at his friend's betrayal. Touching lyrics. intha paadalai paarkumpOthum, kEtkum pOthum antha kathapaathirathin sOgam, kObam, thavippu nammaal nangu uNara mudigiRathu.
  
  kudos to Kamal, SPB, MSV & Kannadaasan
  
  

• From: Wibha on Tue Feb 27 23:32:51 2007.

  Shimla Specieal is a COOL movie
  
  i like Kamal's "Nizhal Niijamaagiradhu"
  
  i watched this movie like so many times.kamal's is mostly guest appearance kind of but still he was luking really gud and he did it so well
  
  da movie was awesome
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Feb 27 23:49:31 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  kudos to Kamal & SPB

  what abt MSV and kannadhasan?
  
  btw, there's quite a similar scene by sivaji in the movie rajapaat rangadhurai - naa sirikkirEn sirikkirEn sirippu varala. sivaji would do a clown stage performance here.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Feb 28 0:07:06 2007.

  Wibha wrote:

  Shimla Specieal is a COOL movie i like Kamal's "Nizhal Niijamaagiradhu" i watched this movie like so many times.kamal's is mostly guest appearance kind of but still he was luking really gud and he did it so well da movie was awesome

  i saw this movie only recently... a good movie.. but thalaivar shown to be a chain smoker
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Feb 28 0:11:42 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  I think he sings this song during the play - unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naalaa thaay madiyil pirandhoam thamizh madiyil valarndhoam nadigarena malarndhoam naadagaththil kalandhoam aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai sindhaadha kanneer illai sirippukku panjam illai kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai un kaiyil andha noolaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa I think in the song Kamal also hints at his friend's betrayal. Touching lyrics. intha paadalai paarkumpOthum, kEtkum pOthum antha kathapaathirathin sOgam, kObam, thavippu nammaal nangu uNara mudigiRathu. kudos to Kamal & SPB

  
  
  yes
  
  Lyrics continued..
  
  Yaar yaaro nanban endru yaemaantha nenjam ondru.
  Yaar yaaro nanban endru yaemaantha nenjam ondru.
  Poovendru mullai kandu puriyaamal nindraen indru..
  Paal Poala kallum undu nirathaalae rendum ondru..
  Naan enna kallaa paalaa, nee sollu nanthalaala
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Feb 28 0:17:19 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  Designer wrote: kudos to Kamal & SPB what abt MSV and kannadhasan?

  
  
  kudos to them also
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Feb 28 0:18:37 2007.

  ஆடாத மேடையில்லை
  போடாத வேஷம் இல்லை
  சிந்தாத கண்ணீர் இல்லை
  சிரிப்புக்கும் பஞ்சம் இல்லை
  
  கால் கொண்டு ஆடும் பிள்ளை
  நூல் கொண்டு ஆடும் பொம்மை
  
  உன் கையில் அந்த நூலா !
  நீ சொல்லு நந்தலாலா
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Feb 28 0:21:38 2007.

  edhukku vambu?
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naalaa
  
  thaay madiyil pirandhoam thamizh madiyil valarndhoam
  nadigarena malarndhoam naadagaththil kalandhoam
  thadhoam thadhoam thagadhimithoam
  thadhoam thadhoam thagadhimithoam
  thadhoam thadhoam thagadhimithoam...
  
  aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai
  aadaadha maedai illai poadadha vaesham illai
  sindhaadha kanneer illai sirippukku panjam illai
  kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai
  kaal kondu aadum pillai nool kondu aadum bommai
  un kaiyil andha noolaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naala
  
  yaaraaroa nanban enru aemaandha nenjam onru
  poovenru mullaik kandu puriyaamal ninraen inru
  paal poalak kallum undu niraththaalae rendum onru
  paal poalak kallum undu niraththaalae rendum onru
  naan enna kallaa paalaa nee sollu nandhalaalaa
  
  unakkenna maelae ninraay o nandhalaalaa
  unadhaanai paaduginraen naan romba naala
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Feb 28 0:31:22 2007.

  super lyrics and great music. MSV is a genius.. he is very under-rated by the spoilt youth of today
  
  

• From: Wibha on Wed Feb 28 0:35:03 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  i saw this movie only recently... a good movie.. but thalaivar shown to be a chain smoker

  
  
  namma thala naraiya movies la chain smoker......... character adhu.as long as he DOES da character well...v should appreciate the fact that he DID like a CHAIN SMOKER instead of criticising it
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Feb 28 0:37:20 2007.

  Wibha wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: i saw this movie only recently... a good movie.. but thalaivar shown to be a chain smoker namma thala naraiya movies la chain smoker......... character adhu.as long as he DOES da character well...v should appreciate the fact that he DID like a CHAIN SMOKER instead of criticising it

  
  
  but, smoking didnt add anything positivie to the movie...
  
  PS: i know ur a KB fan
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Feb 28 0:57:56 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  super lyrics and great music. MSV is a genius.. he is very under-rated by the spoilt youth of today

  
  
  //Dig
  No Doubt. A week before Kumdam had a small info on Current MSV. His Health is not well nowadays and he had become lean. Only few from the industry like Kamal, KB, Vaali etc had visited him.
  
  Hope he get well soon.
  
  //Dig
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Feb 28 1:20:20 2007.

  http://agaramuthala.blogspot.com/2005/11/blog-post_113138425311814477.html
  
  via ThinkFloyd
  
  when i read this post, i feel that, its tough to maintain this stature for kamal, and the position where he stands today, it would need a big commitment to lead a career in thsi way. in these money minded days, kamal is becoming a very rare posession to be praised of and his works are results of hardwork which need to be given top importance
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Feb 28 1:41:18 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  //Dig No Doubt. A week before Kumdam had a small info on Current MSV. His Health is not well nowadays and he had become lean. Only few from the industry like Kamal, KB, Vaali etc had visited him. Hope he get well soon. //Dig

  
  
  
  
  Long Live MSV ..My prayers for him.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 3:45:24 2007.

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6ronBnf5eGI
  A silent symphony.
  Aandavar's "Pesum Padam" and Beethoven's sublime "Moonlight Sonata"
  

  Thilak wrote:

  Kamal's silent melody. The movie itself is a symphony. Who else but great Beethoven composes 'Moon light sonata' for this masterpeice. If you haven't seen this movie, you're missing something extraordinary. They don't make movies like this anymore!

  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 12:17:14 2007.

  Mothal question-ae DasavatharamLenthu start pannanga.
  
  Screenplay romba nalla irrukum. Naan mothala intha movieOda onliner solla pothey KSR padam superhitNu solli arambichaRu + 10 roles.Then KSR repeated the same thing and said i would consult KH before going for the shot as "He(kh) knows better than me".
  
  Then Manirathnam commented KH neraya velai paatharu during Nayagan . KH said I worked more like a Assistant dir. Intha mathiri Surrounding ennaku kidaikathaNu yEngurean same thing even Mani would feel.
  KSr then asked KH to say a sloka which KH did and he explained the meaning of the same.
  
  IR clipping was shown .
  
  Video footage of Balanchander was shown he mentioned a incident which occured during the shooting of Punnagai mannan ie during the song shooting of Mamavuku kuruma .. Kh sonnaru ennai kambi katti mela thooki kamikara mathiri athukku KB yEan ivlov riskyAna shot ? Kamal compel pannathala trail pakkam pothu Kamal fell down from 50 feet height , ithai kannir thalumba ninaivu kurthar KB.
  
  The program was similar to coffee with Anu
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Mar 4 12:20:31 2007.

  thanks for the update great
  
  it will be good if someone uploads the video in youtube
  
  PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 12:25:47 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga

  
  
  But the sets designs of Coffe with anu is good . I dunno why Sun TV is copying few shows of Vijay . VijayAe oru mokkai channel athuLenthu Sun copy pannuthu
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Mar 4 12:28:48 2007.

  Thirudan kittey irunthu thiruttu vaazgha jananayagam
  

  great wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga But the sets designs of Coffe with anu is good . I dunno why Sun TV is copying few shows of Vijay . VijayAe oru mokkai channel athuLenthu Sun copy pannuthu

  
  

• From: thimuru on Sun Mar 4 13:24:20 2007.

  I DONT KNOW WHats thiruttu here!
  
  its the same "nerukku ner" nigazhchi of suntv !
  
  havent interviews done before?
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 14:09:43 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  I DONT KNOW WHats thiruttu here! its the same "nerukku ner" nigazhchi of suntv ! havent interviews done before?

  
  
  Have they shown video clipping of other co-stars opinion before in the Nerukku Ner ngazhchi
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sun Mar 4 14:40:34 2007.

  I saw the program. Need to say that the program was not properly organised. At the end I felt it was incomplete. Half an hour is definitely not enough with clippings of others about Kamal. Gouthami, is sothappal. kELvi kEkkavE theriyala ChummA cinema thanamA expression mattum koduthaa sariyA. She is unable to speak in Thamizh fluently with a flow. Kamal munnAdi Englishla pEsa mudiyaathu - so it was obvious she was struggling. It reminded coffee with Anu program but CWA is a better organised and complte with a one full hour treat. Besides, the way Anu conducts the program is commendable. I dont think Gouthami can do such a neat job because of the language problem. Sat with lot of expectations and ended up with disappointment
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Sun Mar 4 14:48:53 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  I saw the program. Need to say that the program was not properly organised. At the end I felt it was incomplete. Half an hour is definitely not enough with clippings of others about Kamal. Gouthami, is sothappal. kELvi kEkkavE theriyala ChummA cinema thanamA expression mattum koduthaa sariyA. She is unable to speak in Thamizh fluently with a flow. Kamal munnAdi Englishla pEsa mudiyaathu - so it was obvious she was struggling. It reminded coffee with Anu program but CWA is a better organised and complte with a one full hour treat. Besides, the way Anu conducts the program is commendable. I dont think Gouthami can do such a neat job because of the language problem. Sat with lot of expectations and ended up with disappointment

  gauthami-a ya vidunga..
  
  thalaivar rocked... suntv idiots deleted some portions..
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Mar 4 14:50:40 2007.

  Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Sun Mar 4 14:53:19 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  thanks for the update great it will be good if someone uploads the video in youtube PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga

  CW karan and CW anu are both produced by STAR group.. so, no probs here... suntv is the black sheep
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 21:39:04 2007.

  ippo yArAvadhu Aandavar pesinadha viedo upload seyyalEnnA thondargal uNNaviradham senju tea-kudipp.. chi thI kuLippOm!
  
  Great,
  The lines you posted about Dasa are a little ambiguous.
  yAru enna kELvi kEttAinga? And yAru enna badhil sonnAinga?
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 21:40:39 2007.

  "Screenplay nalla irukkum" etc.......
  Not again!!!!!
  pattahdu podhAdhA???
  amaidhi nilavattum. padam pEsattum!
  
  

• From: kb on Sun Mar 4 21:52:15 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga

  
  
  athuve rendezvous with simi la irrundhu BIT-u.. guess it was lift from TBS or CBS
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:40:59 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  ippo yArAvadhu Aandavar pesinadha viedo upload seyyalEnnA thondargal uNNaviradham senju tea-kudipp.. chi thI kuLippOm! Great, The lines you posted about Dasa are a little ambiguous. yAru enna kELvi kEttAinga? And yAru enna badhil sonnAinga?

  
  
  Gauthami Kettanga athukku Kamal answer pannanga and video footage of KSR was also shown w.r.t Dasa.
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Sun Mar 4 22:42:56 2007.

  The interview was badly done
  Gauthami's expressions were very artificial / cinematic as Roshan pointed out.. Celebrties' opinions on Kamal were shown to him on a laptop ! Idukku Avanga Kamalukku laptop eduthu kudukkura oru repeat footage vera
  
  Anyways, Kamal was at his eloquent best..Some interesting things that were said were about an incident in which Kamal fell from a 50 feet high scaffolding during Punnagai Mannan shoot..(KB said this very emotionally in a footage).. The way Kamal described his fall was a screenplay in itself
  
  Mani Ratnam spoke about Kamal..He said since Kamal is a brilliant actor who also knows so much about other aspects of Cinema, he has an unfair advantage over others He also said Kamal has successfully balanced commercial and meaningful cinema, very much like walking a tight rope...
  Kamal responded saying that MR does not know how many times he has hurt himself falling down from that tight rope He said only he and his brother bore those losses and that his distributors can vouch for that fact..
  
  Kamal also recited a Adi Shankarar slokam / quote (on KSR's request)
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:43:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  "Screenplay nalla irukkum" etc....... Not again!!!!! pattahdu podhAdhA??? amaidhi nilavattum. padam pEsattum!

  
  
  Kamal about KSR
  athu mattum illa . KSR sonnarama intha one liner kettathukae padam superhitNu sonnaram then 10 rolesLa Kamal vEra ketkava venum .
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:48:22 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  The interview was badly done Gauthami's expressions were very artificial / cinematic as Roshan pointed out..

  
  Yes seems Gauthami has produced this show.She has not come out with questions the question she asked were already asked by N number of interviewers before .
  
  

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  (KB said this very emotionally in a footage).

  
  
  very emotional words were not coming out.
  
  

• From: great on Sun Mar 4 22:48:51 2007.

  great wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: ippo yArAvadhu Aandavar pesinadha viedo upload seyyalEnnA thondargal uNNaviradham senju tea-kudipp.. chi thI kuLippOm! Great, The lines you posted about Dasa are a little ambiguous. yAru enna kELvi kEttAinga? And yAru enna badhil sonnAinga? Gauthami Kettanga athukku Kamal answer pannanga and video footage of KSR was also shown w.r.t Dasa.

  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Sun Mar 4 22:50:19 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  The interview was badly done Gauthami's expressions were very artificial / cinematic as Roshan pointed out.. Celebrties' opinions on Kamal were shown to him on a laptop ! Idukku Avanga Kamalukku laptop eduthu kudukkura oru repeat footage vera

  
  
  
  
  

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Mani Ratnam spoke about Kamal..He said since Kamal is a brilliant actor who also knows so much about other aspects of Cinema, he has an unfair advantage over others He also said Kamal has successfully balanced commercial and meaningful cinema, very much like walking a tight rope... Kamal responded saying that MR does not know how many times he has hurt himself falling down from that tight rope He said only he and his brother bore those losses and that his distributors can vouch for that fact..

  
  
  
  

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Kamal also recited a Adi Shanakara slokam / quote (on KSR's request)

  
  kalaikkadavuL kamal-ai ariyAdhAr ariyadhArE!
  
  

• From: Wibha on Sun Mar 4 22:52:25 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Mani Ratnam spoke about Kamal..He said since Kamal is a brilliant actor who also knows so much about other aspects of Cinema, he has an unfair advantage over others He also said Kamal has successfully balanced commercial and meaningful cinema, very much like walking a tight rope... Kamal responded saying that MR does not know how many times he has hurt himself falling down from that tight rope He said only he and his brother bore those losses and that his distributors can vouch for that fact..

  
  
  dats KAMAL and mani
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 0:04:18 2007.

  great wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: PS: coffee with anu programae koffee wid karan la irunthu bittu......adhukku yen yaarumae panna mattenguraanga But the sets designs of Coffe with anu is good . I dunno why Sun TV is copying few shows of Vijay . VijayAe oru mokkai channel athuLenthu Sun copy pannuthu

  
  
  [DIGR]
  Great : Some years ago, after Vijay TV changed hands from Vijay Mallya to Rupert Murdoch and became STAR VIJAY, they copied most of the popular (then) programmes of Sun TV
  
  Yaaru entha programme la yaarOda coffe kudichaanga nu mukkiyam illai, Coffee nalla irunthicha, Programme nalla irunthichaannu than mukkiyam !
  [/DIGR]
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 0:39:31 2007.

  great,ulaganayagan&Roshan,
  Are you saying that I was better off attending the(prescheduled) dinner meet than watching this program yesterday?
  
  Romba varuthapatten,Thalaiver interview a miss pannaporam-nnu.
  
  'Coffee with Anu' is according to me superior to 'Coffee With Karan'.She chooses her artists well,asks fairly intelligent questions&the 1 hour time provided means that the interview can be rounded off neatly.
  
  Thought this will also be a 1 hour show,1/2 hour is hardly enough that too for someone like KH.
  
  Gouthami was never a great actress,she was just a pretty face in the late 80's,early 90's,looks like she is not even a good interviewee.Anyways my comments on her reserved till I watch the next episode.
  
  Finally apart from KSR,KH on Dasa,KH,Mani on Nayakan&KH,KB on the Punnagai Mannan fall,was there anything else?
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 0:58:11 2007.

  Thalaivar's answers were top notch .. The Best part of the interview was Illayaraaja's question.
  
  IlayaRaaja: ivaru pala achievements panni irukkaaru.. but, innum oru achievement irukku.. athaiyum nichayam pannuvaaru.. naan ennanu ippo solla maatten.. athu avarukku theriyum.. Kamal eppo atha panna poreenga???
  
  Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over..
  
  
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 1:06:00 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Thalaivar's answers were top notch .. The Best part of the interview was Illayaraaja's question. IlayaRaaja: ivaru pala achievements panni irukkaaru.. but, innum oru achievement irukku.. athaiyum nichayam pannuvaaru.. naan ennanu ippo solla maatten.. athu avarukku theriyum.. Kamal eppo atha panna poreenga??? Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over..

  
  
  
  
  The interview was very artificial
  
  But Kamal's answers made it worth a watch.
  
  Seems SunTV is having a very tough competition nowadays...
  Asatha Poavathu Yaaru
  Anbudan
  Aratai Arangam with TR
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 1:26:29 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Seems SunTV is having a very tough competition nowadays... Asatha Poavathu Yaaru Anbudan Aratai Arangam with TR

  
  
  Yes...
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Mon Mar 5 1:31:19 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  great,ulaganayagan&Roshan, Are you saying that I was better off attending the(prescheduled) dinner meet than watching this program yesterday?

  
  You certainly didnt miss much (other than watching Thalaivar on screen).. As you said, 30 minutes is too short a time to interview a person like Kamal.. Athuleyum 5 minutes ad break, 10 minutes celeb interviews, laptop slo-mo's, appadi ippadinnu Kamal pesanadhu oru 15 minutes thaan irukkum
  Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions..
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 1:35:45 2007.

  When was kamal's Last interview to Tamizh channels
  
  Gouthami is the producer of this show right? so She used Kamal to Promote ...
  
  and the Interview was not good, except kamal's way of replying ( as usual)
  
  he spoke about his fans, that was really super
  
  Reel veru real veru, Ungalukku enna Pudikkumo athu mathree naan dance aaduren, at the same time screenu kku veliya naan enna solreno athu mathree neenga dance aadanum.... he is a good leader,
  
  do not walk in front of me , i am not ur follower,
  do not walk behind me , i m not ur leader.
  come lets walk together .....
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:36:00 2007.

  - Redundant post
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 1:38:28 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  Thirumaran wrote: Seems SunTV is having a very tough competition nowadays... Asatha Poavathu Yaaru Anbudan Aratai Arangam with TR Yes...

  
  
  
  
  Ayyyo..... SUN TV-yula varum vara nigazhigal parthal, enakku pothigai TV than gnabagam varthu
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:39:06 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  he spoke about his fans, that was really super Reel veru real veru, Ungalukku enna Pudikkumo athu mathree naan dance aaduren, at the same time screenu kku veliya naan enna solreno athu mathree neenga dance aadanum.... he is a good leader, do not walk in front of me , i am not ur follower, do not walk behind me , i m not ur leader. come lets walk together .....

  
  
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over..

  
  
  
  [Whistle- ku icon irundha nalla irukkum]
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 1:39:54 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  "Screenplay nalla irukkum" etc....... Not again!!!!! pattahdu podhAdhA??? amaidhi nilavattum. padam pEsattum!

  he said, screenplay nalla vanthurukku.. Apoorva sagotharargal-ai vidia 10 madangu paaraatugal kidaikka vendum.. kidaikkum endra nambikkayil naangal irukkirrom..
  
  
  whats wrong in this???? nothing at all..
  
  
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:41:09 2007.

  Sanjeevi wrote:

  Ayyyo..... SUN TV-yula varum vara nigazhigal parthal, enakku pothigai TV than gnabagam varthu

  
  Podhigai-a kelava paduthaadheenga.. adhula appappo nalla program poduvaan...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 1:43:36 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  When was kamal's Last interview to Tamizh channels Gouthami is the producer of this show right? so She used Kamal to Promote ... and the Interview was not good, except kamal's way of replying ( as usual) he spoke about his fans, that was really super Reel veru real veru, Ungalukku enna Pudikkumo athu mathree naan dance aaduren, at the same time screenu kku veliya naan enna solreno athu mathree neenga dance aadanum.... he is a good leader, do not walk in front of me , i am not ur follower, do not walk behind me , i m not ur leader. come lets walk together .....

  siva, a fan from salem vimalraj also participated in this interview.. thalaivar askedhim about his narpanigal.. Aandavar became so happy and said " naan en pengalukku kalyaanam aagum pothu adaiyum santhosathai vida, en rasigargal narpani seyyum poluthu santhosam adaigiren... ivargalukku, naan tharum parisu, ivargal virumbum nalla cinema thaan"
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 1:44:56 2007.

  but as usual, the sun tv people deleted this part...
  
  the interview was first taken on tuesday morning .. then, they werent satisfied with the output, hence it was taken again..
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 1:45:15 2007.

  As TM said, Kamal's precense and answers made the show very worthful. Kamal looked very very young.
  
  Initially, I thought this programme was captured 15 years back . But gowthami partha udanthan ippo eduthathunu purinchukitten .
  
  Answer was top class . Kamal said that he treat in same line the different poles Athi sangarar and periyar, gandhi, etc. And he captures the good things from that persons. Definitely, Kamal satharanamana nathigar alla, veru ethavathu oru varthaiyae kandupidikkalam.
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 1:48:05 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Sanjeevi wrote: Ayyyo..... SUN TV-yula varum vara nigazhigal parthal, enakku pothigai TV than gnabagam varthu Podhigai-a kelava paduthaadheenga.. adhula appappo nalla program poduvaan...

  
  
  I agree pothigai telecasting some good worthable programmes.
  What I meant, the presentation style not the programme's quality.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 1:49:34 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  he said, screenplay nalla vanthurukku.. Apoorva sagotharargal-ai vidia 10 madangu paaraatugal kidaikka vendum.. kidaikkum endra nambikkayil naangal irukkirrom.. whats wrong in this???? nothing at all..

  
  
  1) He should NOT give interviews until after the movie is released.
  2) Even if he does, he should not talk much about Dasa.. least of all, he shouldn't indulge in saying "Aboorva-vida 10 madangu irukkum.. MMKR-a vida 8 madangu irukkum" etc ...
  Have you forgotten what happened to MX?
  Remember the 500 rupee note promo?
  3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru
  Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?"
  Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.."
  Adhu asnwer!
  I'm NOT saying that a movie is good or bad because "makkalukku pidichirukku". I don't give a damn what makkal think about Hey Ram or Anbe Sivam for e.g..
  What i'm saying is self-hype can backfire badly.. it has happened with Alavandhaan and MX. I'm talking about commercial success.
  I'm pretty sure Dasa screenplay will be nothing less than brilliant, given Nammavar's track record.. but pre-release interviews and hype from Aandavar are signs of danger.
  
  Bottom Line: unmaya solradha vida adha enga eppo solradhu-ngaradhu dhaan mukkiyam.
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 2:00:05 2007.

  More and more questions....
  
  when mani sir mentioned" kamal has an unfair advantage"
  
  Gouthami : eppadi ungalukkulla intha oru talent
  
  Kamal: Chaaruhaasan, chandirhaasan mathree talent aana manitharkaloda sool nilayil valarntha kaaranithilayo, ( he mentioned some others too, i forgot)
  
  ya, he spoke about periyaar,aadhi sankarar,gandhi...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:08:03 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  What i'm saying is self-hype can backfire badly.. it has happened with Alavandhaan and MX. I'm talking about commercial success. I'm pretty sure Dasa screenplay will be nothing less than brilliant, given Nammavar's track record.. but pre-release interviews and hype from Aandavar are signs of danger. Bottom Line: unmaya solradha vida adha enga eppo solradhu-ngaradhu dhaan mukkiyam.

  that is not self hype ..
  
  for aalavandhan. kalaipoonai leaked out many super scenes... that was over- hype..
  
  for MX, there was no hype inspite of 500rs note still...
  
  
  for DASA, the makkal need to know abt the movie..
  
  Anbesivam failed because, there wasnt any hype at all.. if anbesivam had hype, then it wud have been a hit for sure..
  
  

• From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Mar 5 2:08:16 2007.

  Quote:

  1) He should NOT give interviews until after the movie is released. 2) Even if he does, he should not talk much about Dasa.. least of all, he shouldn't indulge in saying "Aboorva-vida 10 madangu irukkum.. MMKR-a vida 8 madangu irukkum" etc ... Have you forgotten what happened to MX? Remember the 500 rupee note promo? 3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer! I'm NOT saying that a movie is good or bad because "makkalukku pidichirukku". I don't give a damn what makkal think about Hey Ram or Anbe Sivam for e.g.. What i'm saying is self-hype can backfire badly.. it has happened with Alavandhaan and MX. I'm talking about commercial success. I'm pretty sure Dasa screenplay will be nothing less than brilliant, given Nammavar's track record.. but pre-release interviews and hype from Aandavar are signs of danger. Bottom Line: unmaya solradha vida adha enga eppo solradhu-ngaradhu dhaan mukkiyam. _________________

  
  
  joining ur coneverse....
  
  
  s think floyd even i feel the same .he creates lot of expectations.ofcourse it satisfies we kamal fans but non kamal fans who come to watch the movie delibrately say like"idhuka ivvalo hype koduthaanga not up to expectation pa"slowly this will spread among people and some people who might think of watching the film might not evn watch afetr getting such reviews.also ur point floyd "aboorava sagaodharagal'ai vida 10 times nalla irrukum'nu sonna then they will start comparing with that will fim and come out with negatives alone.kamal padam sonnale thaana hype create aagidum.think he should stop with that.adhukapparom andha padathula work panna people'am over'a kamal'iyum andha padathiyum pugazhlaradhu should be avoided that too before the film release
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:09:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer!

  Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you ..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:12:37 2007.

  karthik_sa2 wrote:

  "aboorava sagaodharagal'ai vida 10 times nalla irrukum'nu sonna then they will start comparing with that will fim and come out with negatives alone.kamal padam sonnale thaana hype create aagidum.think he should stop with that.adhukapparom andha padathula work panna people'am over'a kamal'iyum andha padathiyum pugazhlaradhu should be avoided that too before the film release

  he never said that.. he said, intha padathula potta ulaippuku AS-a vida 10 madangu Paarattu kidaikkanum he never said that the movie will be 10 times AS.. please comprehend properly..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:19:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: 3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer! Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you ..

  
  He is not a pessimist. He is a realist
  He (nor I) never said it won't be a hit. He just implied "It doesn't matter what i think. The people have to decide".
  Again, i'm referring to the BO results, not the quality.
  
  AV - Minus the hype, the fall would have been smaller. Conversely, maybe it is the hype which was responsible for the opening.
  
  MX - The point is NOT whether there is hype or not. The point is about self-hype. In this case, what you have told is even worse - no hype but only self-hype.
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 2:19:48 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions..

  
  
  Heard about it.I think someone from the Hub has posted it on Youtube too but how about giving more details on that one than this.
  
  Yes,Sun is having serious competition&I am somehow feeling that *Vijay is actually turning out to be the best of the Tamil channels(it's not a compliment,best of Worst).
  
  'Asathapovadhu........' was bad,doesn't mean 'Kalakkapovathu.........' was any better
  
  Gouthami-producer a?Konjam Thalaiver kitte idea keatirikkalam on how do a program like this efficiently.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:21:48 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: thinkfloyd wrote: 3) Recently, Sarathy Chandrahaasan-a kettaaru Sarathy: "Dasa eppadi vandhurukku..?" Chandrahaasan: "Makkal kaila dhaan irukku.. avangalukku pidikkanum.." Adhu asnwer! Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you .. He is not a pessimist. He is a realist He (nor I) never said it won't be a hit. He just implied "It doesn't matter what i think. The people have to decide". Again, i'm referring to the BO results, not the quality. AV - Minus the hype, the fall would have been smaller. Conversely, maybe it is the hype which was responsible for the opening. MX - The point is NOT whether there is hype or not. The point is about self-hype. In this case, what you have told is even worse - no hype but only self-hype.

  unfortunately yes.. the trailor was bad.. the songs were very good but not "commercial"... no get up.. sotha heroine.. side actors who have absolutely no market... thalaivarukku remba thairiyam paa...
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:21:59 2007.

  I too feel kamal should avoid talking much about his movies before release.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:25:16 2007.

  joe wrote:

  I too feel kamal should avoid talking much about his movies before release.

  it only happened for aalavandhan that too because of thaanu...
  
  
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:26:43 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions..

  
  The interview was MUCH better... perhaps one of the best i've seen..
  adhAn Kerala rasanaikkum namma rasanaikkum ulla vidhyaasam
  
  I remember Vijay Sarathy, of all the people, interviewing Aandavar soemtime back... As expected, the most inane of questions.. Wonder how Aandavar resisted banging V.S's head against the wall..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:28:59 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  unfortunately yes.. the trailor was bad.. the songs were very good but not "commercial"... no get up.. sotha heroine.. side actors who have absolutely no market... thalaivarukku remba thairiyam paa...

  
  Karthikeya
  idhAnE vENAm-garadhu.. adhAvadhu, content-thavira matha yellAr mElayum blame-a pOdradhu
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:29:27 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Chandra Haasan is another pessimist like you .. He is not a pessimist. He is a realist He (nor I) never said it won't be a hit. He just implied "It doesn't matter what i think. The people have to decide". Again, i'm referring to the BO results, not the quality.

  CH had told to Narasimman b4 virumandi release "thambi panatha thanniya selavalichurukkaan.. enna nadakkumo? "
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:30:20 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  joe wrote: I too feel kamal should avoid talking much about his movies before release. it only happened for aalavandhan that too because of thaanu...

  
  
  It happened to Heyram also..what happened to VV was in reverse .
  
  kamal movies will easily get critised since kamal movies making a huge expectation and most of the kamal audience think kamal is not needed for an ordinary movie . So it is better not to give any kind of hints which will cause disappointment later.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:32:02 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  CH had told to Narasimman b4 virumandi release "thambi panatha thanniya selavalichurukkaan.. enna nadakkumo? "

  
  Yeah, KB also told this in audio release...
  
  "selavazhuchuNdE irukkAn"
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 2:32:24 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Thalaivar's answers were top notch .. The Best part of the interview was Illayaraaja's question. IlayaRaaja: ivaru pala achievements panni irukkaaru.. but, innum oru achievement irukku.. athaiyum nichayam pannuvaaru.. naan ennanu ippo solla maatten.. athu avarukku theriyum.. Kamal eppo atha panna poreenga??? Kamal: enna kadavul kumbida solluraaru.. naan anbe sivam moolamaa paniitten.. ippo ivara naan kadavul-a kumbuduren.. so antha achievement over.. The interview was very artificial But Kamal's answers made it worth a watch. ------

  
  
  yes. I felt Gauthami was being too formal with Kamal. I liked his forthright answers and the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:34:23 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them

  
  
  Did he mention anything about NT?
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 2:38:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd,
  I am always with you on Sir overhyping his films sometimes,most recent examples Hey Ram,Aalavandhaan&MX.
  
  But for 10A,he has hardly spoken anything.Come on,after all he is in a field where Public/Media relations make a big difference&this might be his ONLY interview to the TV/Print media before it's release,konjam pesina thappile.
  
  BTW,on the film his exact words pls,let us decide if it's publicity or over hype after that
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:41:29 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: unfortunately yes.. the trailor was bad.. the songs were very good but not "commercial"... no get up.. sotha heroine.. side actors who have absolutely no market... thalaivarukku remba thairiyam paa... Karthikeya idhAnE vENAm-garadhu.. adhAvadhu, content-thavira matha yellAr mElayum blame-a pOdradhu

  ithu ellaam thalaivarin thavaru thaan.. i dont blame those others..
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 2:42:13 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Designer wrote: the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them Did he mention anything about NT?

  
  
  Not Much..
  
  he mentioned about Devar magan dialogues...
  
  kamal: Dasavathrathai panathu kkaka panrathaa iruntha , intha padathai pannirukkave maatten,
  panathukkaka pannaumnaa, dasa edukkira time la naan 3 padam nadichi mudichiruppen..
  
  i don think he hyped DASA...
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 2:42:18 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Designer wrote: the way he praised senior actors, without flattering them Did he mention anything about NT?

  
  
  Ya he did when speaking about 'Devar Magan'. He said, the dialogue with NT :
  
  Kamal : ayya ithu nadakkalainna naan sethu pOyiduvEn !
  
  NT : appO seththu pO! ellaarum oru naaL sethu thaan pOvaanga... (etc, I dont remember the full dialogue, but its the scene after the caste unrest in the village, and NT & Kamal are discussing heatedly about something).
  
  Kamal said he wrote this particular dialogue because he wanted his father, NT to tell these words to him, his son !
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 2:45:41 2007.

  Karthi, chumma niruththunga, Kalaipoonai or puli never hyped, or his hype was not at all reached\remembered. but i remember kamal's over hyping interview....kodumai pathaathunnu vairamuththu vera ......VM told that Aalavanthaan gira name kku pakkathula oru symbol : ( athu kamal rathathula ezuthinathunnu nenaikkiren...
  
  and kamal athukku samantham illlaama reply vera panninaar. pothuva kamal interview makkalukku romba puriyarathillai. athukkaaga avar interview tharavenaamnu sollalai, padam pathi pesa venaamnu solren. Thinkfloyd is (100% ) x 10 Times correct!
  
  Digg - gautami spoke thus, for a question - naan ungalai Shooting spotla paathirukken, veetlayum paathirukken(intha idaththula balamaana sirippu ezunthathu - courtesy, my rajni fan friends)
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:46:34 2007.

  Designer wrote:

  Kamal said he wrote this particular dialogue because he wanted his father, NT to tell these words to him, his son !

  
  
  wow!
  
  Kamal - NT -kku Per Sollum PiLLai
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:48:54 2007.

  kamal pakthargal (not rasigargal) kamalai vimarsippathu paarkka nalla irukku
  
  

• From: Roshan on Mon Mar 5 2:49:26 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum

  
  
  avar mattumthaan pEsunaar - Gouthami was looking dumb SUN TV's editing was too bad,
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:51:17 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  joe wrote: Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum avar mattumthaan pEsunaar - Gouthami was looking dumb SUN TV's editing was too bad,

  
  
  Hmm.. Gowthami-kku vera eli kidaikkaliya
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 2:51:23 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Digg - gautami spoke thus, for a question - naan ungalai Shooting spotla paathirukken, veetlayum paathirukken(intha idaththula balamaana sirippu ezunthathu - courtesy, my rajni fan friends)

  
  
  Thevai illadha comment.What happens in the personal life should be left there.
  
  KH idhai romba kaalama kapathurar,hope she follows that in future.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:51:26 2007.

  joe wrote:

  kamal pakthargal (not rasigargal) kamalai vimarsippathu paarkka nalla irukku

  
  idha nAnga kathukkittadhE Aandavar kitta dhAn
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 2:52:12 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  joe wrote: Yaaravathu kamal pesuratha mattumaavathu video upload pannuna nalla irukkum avar mattumthaan pEsunaar - Gouthami was looking dumb SUN TV's editing was too bad,

  
  
  Yes ,
  
  BUt Gouthami looks good...
  
  Sakala what is there to laugh, anything wrong in that,
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 2:54:48 2007.

  I am sure kamal will give more interviews atleast for the sake of DASA releasing with more than 1000 prints including hindi.. publicity venum.. its not hype..
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Mar 5 2:55:50 2007.

  Thinkfloyd ur posts on hype
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 2:57:37 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: Digg - gautami spoke thus, for a question - naan ungalai Shooting spotla paathirukken, veetlayum paathirukken(intha idaththula balamaana sirippu ezunthathu - courtesy, my rajni fan friends) Thevai illadha comment.What happens in the personal life should be left there. KH idhai romba kaalama kapathurar,hope she follows that in future.

  
  
  VV - audio release @ Sathyam.
  Annanum anniyum balatha varavErpukku naduvula vandhAnga.. serndhu okkAndhAnga.. innum soundu...
  
  BR in his speech said "bayam koNda soozhalil pirandha Kamalukku bayam theriyAdhu" (pArpanAr kudumbathil pirandhadhai kurithu)...
  "avan eppavume olinju marainju edhayum seyya mAttAn.. ellAme neradiya thAn seivAn.."
  
  What we or others think of Annan-Anni is immaterial. What's important is what they mean to each other. We have no business being judgemental about it
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 2:57:51 2007.

  Kamal's true friendship with rajini :
  
  In recent function ,NT's grandson's marriage Kalainjar asked rajini(who was sitting 4 seats away) to come and sit his beside ,then Rajini asked kamal also join with them ..Kamal went to kalainjar and told "Aiyya ! Innikku Rajini Thirumana NaL .avarai vazhthunga!" ,then kalainjar wished rajini.
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Mon Mar 5 2:58:39 2007.

  I remember the programme in Vijay TV by Mathan and Kamal about Virumandi before Virumandi release. It was nice to wach
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 3:00:46 2007.

  Sanjeevi wrote:

  I remember the programme in Vijay TV by Mathan and Kamal about Virumandi before Virumandi release. It was nice to wach

  
  Superb interview!
  Aandavar was all guns blazing that day. He was really in a belligerent mood
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 3:01:02 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  I am sure kamal will give more interviews atleast for the sake of DASA releasing with more than 1000 prints including hindi.. publicity venum.. its not hype..

  
  
  Publicity is needed. But not hype like the one happened for MX. Let the movie talk instead Kamal/Some other making talks big about the film before release
  
  But in yesterday's interview there were no such hypes
  
  

• From: Designer on Mon Mar 5 3:01:28 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Kamal's true friendship with rajini : In recent function ,NT's grandson's marriage Kalainjar asked rajini(who was sitting 4 seats away) to come and sit his beside ,then Rajini asked kamal also join with them ..Kamal went to kalainjar and told "Aiyya ! Innikku Rajini Thirumana NaL .avarai vazhthunga!" ,then kalainjar wished rajini.

  
  
  Joe : nice info. btw Kamal & Rajini comment on each others' performances with criticism & praise, both negative & positive aspects, just as friends would do
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 3:04:13 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  joe wrote: kamal pakthargal (not rasigargal) kamalai vimarsippathu paarkka nalla irukku idha nAnga kathukkittadhE Aandavar kitta dhAn

  
  
  Kamal ai pathi paarutu mattum allaamal vimarsanamum sama alavail avanga rasigargal kodupathaalthaan, Kamal is nearing 50 years in cine industry.
  
  Inga Irukaravanga verum jaalra adikkum kootam alla
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:13:23 2007.

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????
  
  
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:17:40 2007.

  i believe the shadow of small girl dancing in the beginning of that program is kamals younger daughter...Ive seen her...
  
  same height hair style......i strongly believe its his younger daughter
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:18:41 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  i believe the shadow of small girl dancing in the beginning of that program is kamals younger daughter...Ive seen her... same height hair style......i strongly believe its his younger daughter

  me too.. its aksara...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:20:03 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  
  
  baba
  aalavandhan
  
  
  both would have had a decen run atleast if they are not hyped...
  
  example for a movie which came up with extreme hype and fulfilled the hype completely...."INDIAN"
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:20:39 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  Alavandhan and MX didnt flop because they were over hyped.. the content didnt go well with the audience... first u people understand that...
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:23:07 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping????? baba aalavandhan

  its only because of the hype these movies got a great opening.. otherwise
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:24:52 2007.

  aalavandhan had a great chance of becoming a top class thriller or a wonderful masala!
  
  they tried to do both ...that made the difference!
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:26:00 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  aalavandhan had a great chance of becoming a top class thriller or a wonderful masala! they tried to do both ...that made the difference!

  yes thimuru.. it was neither this or that.. finally it ended up in no man's land
  
  

• From: cancer on Mon Mar 5 3:37:56 2007.

  DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie,
  
  Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much,
  
  some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan.
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Mon Mar 5 3:46:15 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  Ulaganayagan wrote: Hell, Asianet aired a 1 hour interview on Onam day, and I thought the interview was also fantastic with a wide range of questions.. Heard about it.I think someone from the Hub has posted it on Youtube too but how about giving more details on that one than this.

  
  Dont remember the wordings or the exact details of the conversation...
  
  He spoke about Dasa, he said that it would be a satire and he also talked about Nt's Navarathiri.
  He spoke about politics, communism etc. About Ramadoss and others who caused trouble during Virumandi and MX, he said they just need a platform to boost themselves, and that they wouldnt mind stepping on a crocodile, as long as it gives them leverage
  He spoke of his association with Mallu cinema, his friends like Soman, whom he misses dearly.. He said that he never experienced the kind of camaraderie that existed in Malayalam cinema in the 80's, in any other industry...
  He spoke about his other interests like poetry (he recited one of his poems), singing (sang a classical song) and dancing.. He mentioned that he still holds a choreographer license..
  
  

• From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Mar 5 3:46:30 2007.

  Quote:

  Designer wrote: Kamal said he wrote this particular dialogue because he wanted his father, NT to tell these words to him, his son ! wow! Kamal - NT -kku Per Sollum PiLLai

  
  
  joe
  endha function ponaalum NT'a pathi paesama irrukavae maatar kamal.atleast oru vaarthai nichiyama paesiduvaar.nice..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:47:31 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Sla_rO528
  first part of the interview...
  
  
  listen carefully he says,
  
  "screenplay vithiyaasama irukku" .. not nalla irukku.. super-aa irukku.. i hope our fans here will stop misinterpreting or twisting Kamal's words
  
  

• From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Mar 5 3:53:56 2007.

  Quote:

  DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan

  
  
  but even anbae sivam had hype
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:54:54 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan.

  yes ur correct siva.. Anniyan without hype wud have been a disaster..
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 3:55:20 2007.

  karthik_sa2 wrote:

  Quote: DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan but even anbae sivam had hype

  
  
  no hype...no hype whatsoever...the film came with no hype....
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 3:57:01 2007.

  thimuru wrote:

  karthik_sa2 wrote: Quote: DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan but even anbae sivam had hype no hype...no hype whatsoever...the film came with no hype....

  no hype... and absolutely near zero publicity...
  
  

• From: thimuru on Mon Mar 5 4:03:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  thimuru wrote: karthik_sa2 wrote: Quote: DASA will be the commercial entertainer, so the hype is good for the movie, Movies like Anbesivam wouldnt hit even though if its hyped much, some ordinary movies became hit because of its hype, exp. Anniyan but even anbae sivam had hype no hype...no hype whatsoever...the film came with no hype.... no hype... and absolutely near zero publicity...

  
  
  padam release aanadhe palarukku therila...thats true!
  
  the film would have been hit if its hyped for its content
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon Mar 5 4:28:36 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  What we or others think of Annan-Anni is immaterial. What's important is what they mean to each other. We have no business being judgemental about it

  
  
  No one's being judgemental.There was no need/motive to add that line when she was doing a professional( I Hope) interview.
  
  Anyways let's leave it at this,surely with Sir,there are more imp things to talk about
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Mon Mar 5 4:54:52 2007.

  Prior to its release, Nammavar compared 5thanthiram song with Tillana Mohanambal !!!!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 5:01:31 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: What we or others think of Annan-Anni is immaterial. What's important is what they mean to each other. We have no business being judgemental about it No one's being judgemental.There was no need/motive to add that line when she was doing a professional( I Hope) interview. Anyways let's leave it at this,surely with Sir,there are more imp things to talk about

  
  
  Aahaa.. naan solla vandhadhu some people were/would be judgemental... there is no need to dismiss it as "personal.. adhanaale pesa vendaam...".. that line implies that "something is wrong, and we need not talk about it.." i was just saying what's wrong with it...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 5:04:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  
  We can't prove emprically that a movie flopped ONLY because of hyping. What is important (and will be remembered by the public) is when a movie is hyped by its maker/main person, AND it flops, it becomes an embarassing situation.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 7:43:32 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping????? We can't prove emprically that a movie flopped ONLY because of hyping. What is important (and will be remembered by the public) is when a movie is hyped by its maker/main person, AND it flops, it becomes an embarassing situation.

  yes.. i agree.. but ur are more worried abt this embarassing situation rather than positively considering interviews as a promotion venture thats why i call u a pessimist.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 7:50:50 2007.

  well he too, like everyone was optimistic during HeyRaam and Aalavanthaan! I guess Bala is not pessimistinc, but he feels its better if aandavar avoids to quote some quantitization, like getting 10 times the response of Aboorva Sagothoarargal. His previous post itself is self-explanatory. if you or me express our expectations, no probs, we don;t have read the script. but the author himself claims something and if, IF, by some chance, it didnt make out, then we will end up the same old situation. Bala never wanted you or me to stop shouting happily about Dasa
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 8:06:02 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  well he too, like everyone was optimistic during HeyRaam and Aalavanthaan! I guess Bala is not pessimistinc, but he feels its better if aandavar avoids to quote some quantitization, like getting 10 times the response of Aboorva Sagothoarargal. His previous post itself is self-explanatory. if you or me express our expectations, no probs, we don;t have read the script. but the author himself claims something and if, IF, by some chance, it didnt make out, then we will end up the same old situation. Bala never wanted you or me to stop shouting happily about Dasa

  i am not blaming him.. i just want to establish my point that, Hype is only good for a movie..
  
  Hype, may degrade the actor's reputation.. but, everyone in the industry have hyped and flopped atleast once...
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Mar 5 9:28:43 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Sla_rO528 first part of the interview...

  
  
  I think it was Kamal's magnanimity that he put up with such inane questions. 'Tell me about your growth as a producer, director,..'. Kamal kitta ketka vendiya kelviya idhu! It was neither a chat show, nor an interview. Hope the second part is more interesting..
  
  Another question: Manirathnam yen sait madhiri tamizh pesararu?
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 9:31:17 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Sla_rO528 first part of the interview... I think it was Kamal's magnanimity that he put up with such inane questions. 'Tell me about your growth as a producer, director,..'. Kamal kitta ketka vendiya kelviya idhu! It was neither a chat show, nor an interview. Hope the second part is more interesting.. Another question: Manirathnam yen sait madhiri tamizh pesararu?

  atha vidunga, avaru padathula characters pesurathu very artificial.. ellorum romba secretive-a pesuvaanga.. but it wont look natural at all..
  
  

• From: ramdas2005 on Mon Mar 5 9:33:05 2007.

  Hi,
  Kamal mentioned that for the work that has gone into DASA, he wishes(wishful thinking) the response is 10 times as AS, that would be the real salary for the people involved in DASA. He did not give out any more details expect the sloka which KSR asked him to recite. In my opinion he never tried to hype the movie or anything like that. So far the main folks who have talked abt DASA have mentioned how tough it is to do the film, that's it. Also he mentioned if it was purely for money, he would have quit making DASA,The team is trying hard to give something good. So where is the hype here???
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 9:34:57 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Another question: Manirathnam yen sait madhiri tamizh pesararu?

  
  
  avar rendu vartha pesittu meethiya north india-poi pesurennu sollama irunthare .athuve perusu
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 9:41:05 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  i am not blaming him.. i just want to establish my point that, Hype is only good for a movie.. Hype, may degrade the actor's reputation.. but, everyone in the industry have hyped and flopped atleast once...

  
  Sakala said it right, Karthi...
  
  Again, you are not getting the point. We are not saying that hype is bad... do you think the actor/director talking about his own movie is hype? I'm sorry but there are better ways to generate hype and infact, Dasa ku thAnA hype varudhu/varum..And Oscar pannuvAru, kavalai vEndAm
  
  Anyway let's put this argument to rest
  
  Great/Balaji,
  chinna slip pannitteengale.. aanaa enna implication??
  1) He just said "vidhyasamana screenplay.. novel-a irukkum..."
  2) He said (like Karthi pointed out) "idhula poiyurukkara uzhaippukku Aboorva-vida 10 madangu parattu kidaikkanum..." That is, he was explaining the hardships in acting/making a movie like this wherein he can't afford to be just a director because otherwise there would be slip-ups.. like he has to point out "make-up poga podhu.. andha close-up eduthuralaam" etc.. Context is very important when we quote Balaji
  
  Hope someone would post the remaining part....
  
  
  [/b]
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 9:49:07 2007.

  Andava,
  Thanks for the video
  
  Thinkfloyd,
  enna unga anni ippadi sothappittanga
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 9:52:43 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping?????

  
  
  Aalavandhan!!!
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 9:53:20 2007.

  ramdas2005 wrote:

  Hi, Kamal mentioned that for the work that has gone into DASA, he wishes(wishful thinking) the response is 10 times as AS, that would be the real salary for the people involved in DASA. He did not give out any more details expect the sloka which KSR asked him to recite. In my opinion he never tried to hype the movie or anything like that. So far the main folks who have talked abt DASA have mentioned how tough it is to do the film, that's it. Also he mentioned if it was purely for money, he would have quit making DASA,The team is trying hard to give something good. So where is the hype here???

  
  Ramdas,
  Agree, a couple of lines were misquoted..
  
  Still, my stand of adakki vasichufying holds good (going forward)
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 9:55:10 2007.

  great wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: Can u guys give me an example for a movie which flopped due to over hyping????? Aalavandhan!!!

  no great.. do u think without hype, the movie wud have been a hit???? no chance.. the biggggg budget and a slightly laggin screenplay was the reason..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 9:55:53 2007.

  Joe for ur avatar
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 9:56:23 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Andava, Thanks for the video Thinkfloyd, enna unga anni ippadi sothappittanga

  
  adhAn!
  
  Her Thamizh wasn't that bad, considering the fact that she isn't a native speaker... but the questions
  By the way, waiting to see K.B's reaction and Raaja's question/answer...
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 9:59:17 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Great/Balaji, chinna slip pannitteengale.. aanaa enna implication?? 1) He just said "vidhyasamana screenplay.. novel-a irukkum..." 2) He said (like Karthi pointed out) "idhula poiyurukkara uzhaippukku Aboorva-vida 10 madangu parattu kidaikkanum..." That is, he was explaining the hardships in acting/making a movie like this wherein he can't afford to be just a director because otherwise there would be slip-ups.. like he has to point out "make-up poga podhu.. andha close-up eduthuralaam" etc.. Context is very important when we quote Balaji Hope someone would post the remaining part.... [/b]

  
  
  yes he did mention that screenpaly would be a Novel attempt. I just typed it in a hurry . But intha moviekku hype and interview thevai illai as kamal is doing 10 different role that itself is enought . Screenplay vithyasama irruku/ romba nalla vanthurukku , novel item etc etc and 10 times Aboorva SahothararOda parattu kedaicha thaan engalOdaya effort paLan kedaicha maathiri etc etc would increase the expectation . I am happy that KSR is checking with Kamal before every shot its shows his involvement and he wants the output to be perfect .
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:05:11 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  no great.. do u think without hype, the movie wud have been a hit???? no chance.. the biggggg budget and a slightly laggin screenplay was the reason..

  
  
  Aalavandhan-ku kedaicha hype romba athigam starting from the Muhurath and the paper would flash the news kamal is doing is like this and there would be some interview from the technicians who are involved in the movie.The big budget is not only the reason yeah screenplay had some loose ends.
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:06:38 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Her Thamizh wasn't that bad, considering the fact that she isn't a native speaker... but the questions By the way, waiting to see K.B's reaction and Raaja's question/answer...

  
  
  Kamal HassaNa talk showLa vechukittu ippadi sothapalana kelvigal
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 10:06:48 2007.

  Kalaignani kamaloda pakthargallam ippo konjam relax-a kamal-ai kooda vimarsanam pannura moodula iruppathaal oru chinna kelvi.
  
  Though I am a harcore kamal fan I didn't like the title 'Ulaga nayagan' ..I like Super Actor ,kalai Gnani which has apt meaning .But 'Ulaga nayagan'? ..what does it mean ? How come he can be a nayagan of the world?
  
  Ithu patri ungal karuththu
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 10:11:44 2007.

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ????
  he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 10:15:40 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ????

  
  
  
  
  

  Quote:

  he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning

  
  
  then 'Ulagaththara Nayagan"-nnu vachirukkalame
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:17:46 2007.

  Cinefan wrote:

  great,ulaganayagan&Roshan, Are you saying that I was better off attending the(prescheduled) dinner meet than watching this program yesterday?

  
  
  You didnt missed anything .
  
  
  

  cancer wrote:

  BUt Gouthami looks good...

  
  
  yesterday show pathi thaanae pesara shiva. Gouthami-ya vEchu comedy keemedy pannalayae
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Mon Mar 5 10:20:08 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning

  
  
  I don't know whether it's true or not..But thought I will check with you all about it.. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that.
  
  Again, why it came to mind again is - I could see the same height of the present Bond in kamal (Daniel Craig).. This actually came to mind,when i was watching thalaivar Anbudan program..
  
  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar?
  
  Just a thought guys..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 10:22:56 2007.

  joe, sari sari, Azhaatheenga :lol
  
  Universally Qqualified Hero ngarathellam nkonjam neelamaa illayaa???
  
  But, neenga thaaraalamaa inthiyaavil irukkum nadigargalul ulaga tharam vaaintha vishayangalai thirayil sollum ore Naayagar Kamal appadinnu surukamaa kooppidalaam!!
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Mon Mar 5 10:24:43 2007.

  If the host is somebody like Madhan then the show would have been a treat to watch.
  
  Indha amma seri illa
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 10:26:45 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning I don't know whether it's true or not..But thought I will check with you all about it.. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that. Again, why it came to mind again is - I could see the same height of the present Bond in kamal (Daniel Craig).. This actually came to mind,when i was watching thalaivar Anbudan program.. Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar? Just a thought guys..

  
  
  Adraa sakka ! Adraa sakka ! Adraa sakka !
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 5 10:28:08 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  But, neenga thaaraalamaa inthiyaavil irukkum nadigargalul ulaga tharam vaaintha vishayangalai thirayil sollum ore Naayagar Kamal appadinnu surukamaa kooppidalaam!!

  
  
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 10:28:44 2007.

  Ennathu Big B No sonnara consider pannagala
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Mon Mar 5 10:55:37 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar? Just a thought guys..

  
  
  
  For South Indians / Indians it may look good. But not for the international audience
  
  Let us talk about somethings which can happen
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 11:21:56 2007.

  great wrote:

  yes he did mention that screenpaly would be a Novel attempt. I just typed it in a hurry . But intha moviekku hype and interview thevai illai as kamal is doing 10 different role that itself is enought . Screenplay vithyasama irruku/ romba nalla vanthurukku , novel item etc etc and 10 times Aboorva SahothararOda parattu kedaicha thaan engalOdaya effort paLan kedaicha maathiri etc etc would increase the expectation . I am happy that KSR is checking with Kamal before every shot its shows his involvement and he wants the output to be perfect .

  again ur misqouting thalaivar
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 11:24:26 2007.

  joe wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? Quote: he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning then 'Ulagaththara Nayagan"-nnu vachirukkalame

  correct joe.. i dont like the title ulaga naayagan..
  
  

• From: great on Mon Mar 5 11:55:27 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  great wrote: yes he did mention that screenpaly would be a Novel attempt. I just typed it in a hurry . But intha moviekku hype and interview thevai illai as kamal is doing 10 different role that itself is enought . Screenplay vithyasama irruku/ romba nalla vanthurukku , novel item etc etc and 10 times Aboorva SahothararOda parattu kedaicha thaan engalOdaya effort paLan kedaicha maathiri etc etc would increase the expectation . I am happy that KSR is checking with Kamal before every shot its shows his involvement and he wants the output to be perfect . again ur misqouting thalaivar

  
  
  Aandava , Ennaku movie Block buster aana nemba santhosam thaan
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 15:15:24 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nfDryuQxE
  
  second part of the interview
  
  

• From: Nerd on Mon Mar 5 15:26:36 2007.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  I don't know whether it's true or not..But thought I will check with you all about it.. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that.

  
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar?

  
  
  And DC's movie was a blockbuster here. He has already started working on his second JB venture. He is a big hit among eveyone
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Mon Mar 5 19:03:35 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Though I am a harcore kamal fan I didn't like the title 'Ulaga nayagan' ..I like Super Actor ,kalai Gnani which has apt meaning .But 'Ulaga nayagan'? ..what does it mean ? How come he can be a nayagan of the world? Ithu patri ungal karuththu

  
  The tile was given by KSR because Tenali was well received in most overseas markets.... Since Kamal proved his reach all around the world (atleast by Tamil cinema standards) he was conferred the Ulaga Nayagan title.. Very jimple
  
  Incidentally, its my fav title of Kamal's..Its unique, it s a tamil title and shows the class of Thalaivar.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 21:14:24 2007.

  The second part of the interview (youtube video) ends just before KB is going to finish telling about that PM incident.
  
  Ferrari, life is cruel!
  
  More thoughts on the 2nd part later...
  
  To hell with the program or the presenter.. superb interview as usual just by virtue of Aandavar's answers...
  
  Compiling a DVD of Aandavar's interviews - The plan should be amalpaduthified.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Mon Mar 5 23:11:03 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  The second part of the interview (youtube video) ends just before KB is going to finish telling about that PM incident. Ferrari, life is cruel! More thoughts on the 2nd part later... To hell with the program or the presenter.. superb interview as usual just by virtue of Aandavar's answers... Compiling a DVD of Aandavar's interviews - The plan should be amalpaduthified.

  amaam amaam
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Mar 5 23:33:54 2007.

  Quote:

  amalpaduthified

  ha ha ha i 1st thought thats an english word!!!
  
  i have some interview collections from magazines, i will scan and upload them....
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Mon Mar 5 23:46:49 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  ha ha ha i 1st thought thats an english word!!! i have some interview collections from magazines, i will scan and upload them....

  
  nInga nallA irukkOnum nAdu munnEra!
  
  an ex-colleague of mine, a moderate fan of Aandavar used to say..
  "enakku unga AL padangalai vida interviews thAn romba pidikkum"..
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Mon Mar 5 23:51:54 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning

  
  
  We say "Ulaga tharam vaaintha"....
  Nammavar will make foreigners say "India tharam vaaintha..."
  So obviously he is the Ulaga nayagan !!
  
  Having said this, I prefer the title "Sakala Kala Vallavan"
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Tue Mar 6 0:14:39 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Aahaa.. naan solla vandhadhu some people were/would be judgemental... there is no need to dismiss it as "personal.. adhanaale pesa vendaam...".. that line implies that "something is wrong, and we need not talk about it.." i was just saying what's wrong with it...

  
  
  A_A,referring to an issue as 'personal'does not necessarily imply that there is something wrong.
  
  It was a chat show,why the need to stress on the personal relationship?
  
  Anyway let's leave this.
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 0:25:12 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: joe, enna sirupillaithanamaana kelvi ithu ???? he is the Ulaga(tharam vaaintha) nayagan of Indian Cine industry! ithu thaan meaning We say "Ulaga tharam vaaintha".... Nammavar will make foreigners say "India tharam vaaintha..." So obviously he is the Ulaga nayagan !! Having said this, I prefer the title "Sakala Kala Vallavan"

  me too.. sakala kala vallavan is the best title for thalaivar..
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 0:27:19 2007.

  Being a hardcore Bond fan and a big Kamal fan, let me respond to this.
  
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  .. I heard it long back, when I was in 22-23. Now I am in 31. What I heard was, they were looking a foreign actor to Cast as bond 007. Infact, I heard BigB and Kamal's name was recommended. But, thalaivar was too short and bigb said no .. This happened at the time Golden Eye- Peirece Brosnon was selected after that.

  
  
  No such thing. Never happened. They always had Brosnan in their mind. Thank god he's not Bond anymore.
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again, why it came to mind again is - I could see the same height of the present Bond in kamal (Daniel Craig).. This actually came to mind,when i was watching thalaivar Anbudan program..

  
  
  How tall is Kamal, anyway? Craig is 5'11".
  
  

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Again the recent bond it's a flop one and if it happens that they had to change DG from 007 role, why not thalaivar? Just a thought guys..

  
  
  As Nerd said, Casino Royale is a big hit. Biggest in collection among Bond movies.
  
  As for Kamal, he already did a Bond-like role in Vikram. It was good for it's time. He did not copy any Bond actors (but did pick up some stuff from the movies) and he was fun to watch in the movie. Elements from Bond films were there, great locations, beautiful babes, nasty bad guys and nastier henchmen. Of course, it had the usual dance and well choreographed fights. I'd like him to do another Vikram movie, with present day technology. It will be a great action movie; action in real term.
  
  And Joe, I too didn't like the Ulaga Nayagan title. Hell, we discussed about it. But why is it, in English, it becomes Universal Hero. Ulagam does not translate to Universal. Or does it? It's like Miss World is not Miss Universe, the latter whom is certainly not qualified since there might be beauties in Planet Venus.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 1:07:55 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  How tall is Kamal, anyway? Craig is 5'11".

  
  Annan 5'8"
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Tue Mar 6 1:14:50 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  As Nerd said, Casino Royale is a big hit. Biggest in collection among Bond movies.

  
  
  It is very natural because economy and population has increased now
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 1:18:29 2007.

  Sanjeevi wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: As Nerd said, Casino Royale is a big hit. Biggest in collection among Bond movies. It is very natural because economy and population has increased now

  
  
  So?
  
  

• From: Jabroni on Tue Mar 6 1:30:03 2007.

  Kamal in a Bond movie
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 1:50:31 2007.

  Jabroni wrote:

  Kamal in a Bond movie

  mods, this guy is posting heaps of crap..ban him ASAP...
  
  

• From: kb on Tue Mar 6 2:00:15 2007.

  oru post-ukey vaa,,
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 2:17:43 2007.

  kb wrote:

  oru post-ukey vaa,,

  paruthi veeran and mozhi are crap-nu sollraaru.. athula irunthey theriyuthu ivaru latchanam..
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Tue Mar 6 3:22:34 2007.

  Well even though Amarshiva's posts were optimistic..there is some realism as kamal is well suited to act in a bond movie. If you guys did see vetteiyaadu vilaiyaadu..Kamal had that american swagger about him with the way he delivered his dialogues and body language and if he goes back to his kurudhipunal time with that sort of body shape he will certainly take the movie by the scruff of its neck.
  
  I prefer rajini in a bonds movie to amitabh..for all Big b's acting skills he is more of a actor suited to roles which require him to express alot...rajini would be be better as he is a balance of body language and expressions..and besides rajini's unique style with all those gadgets and guns would be a treat to watch
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Tue Mar 6 3:33:37 2007.

  Jabroni wrote:

  Kamal in a Bond movie

  
  
  why not?
  He is probably the only actor from India who can carry such a role
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 4:06:31 2007.

  is bond character such a great role that no other indian actor can do?
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 4:53:13 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  is bond character such a great role that no other indian actor can do?

  
  
  If you talk about Brosnan era, no. It's cardboard dummy that holds gun and quips cheap corny line.
  
  With Craig, it has become complex, just like how it was in book. It's dark, brooding character, add with sophistication and brutal energy. Dalton tried it, but people couldn't accept.
  
  From now on, only good actors can play Bond, not any Brylcream model.
  
  So, to answer your question, only specific actors can do it. Good actors. If Bond is to be transplanted here, it has to be played by someone who can switch between light and dark. Remember, he is a killer first, then an agent.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 4:56:17 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  is bond character such a great role that no other indian actor can do?

  
  idhu pointu!
  Vikram was better than any bond film and some of Rajini's performances have been more stylish than Bonds'...
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Tue Mar 6 4:59:20 2007.

  /dig
  
  tf neenga konjam unga PM check pannungalen
  
  end dig/
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:02:46 2007.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  /dig tf neenga konjam unga PM check pannungalen end dig/

  
  PM onnum varlaye ??
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 5:07:08 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  So, to answer your question, only specific actors can do it. Good actors. If Bond is to be transplanted here, it has to be played by someone who can switch between light and dark. Remember, he is a killer first, then an agent.

  groucho, I just saw two tamil movies paruthi veeran and mozhi.
  even secondary characters have acted brilliantly in those movies.
  we have talents unbounded, getting a james bond will not be difficult. thats my point.
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 5:09:51 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Vikram was better than any bond film

  pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal. I remember taking my malay and chines friends to see the movie on the eve of our elections. only to be laughed at mercilessly. such amateurishness!
  paalaa pOna malaysian censors, kadaisi scene'ayum vettitaanga.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 5:13:34 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: So, to answer your question, only specific actors can do it. Good actors. If Bond is to be transplanted here, it has to be played by someone who can switch between light and dark. Remember, he is a killer first, then an agent. groucho, I just saw two tamil movies paruthi veeran and mozhi. even secondary characters have acted brilliantly in those movies. we have talents unbounded, getting a james bond will not be difficult. thats my point.

  
  
  Oh, okay. Yes, it takes good actor to pull the Bond role off. I'd say that NOW we have great talents coming in. If the younger set were to play Fleming-like Bond, I'd give it to Arya. He got good fierce look, good acting talent, physics to match and charisma which is not bad.
  
  As for the seniors, of course Kamal has it all. Get a bit of a work out, get the Vikram (move, not the actor) character back and make it a bit more darker and violent and you have a great Bond-like flick. Of course, Kamal's effort as we say it in Malaysia, will be sap-sap-suey.
  
  That means, 'very easy'.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:26:42 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal.

  
  Exactly, but even that is better than Bond movies, is my point
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:29:10 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Oh, okay. Yes, it takes good actor to pull the Bond role off. I'd say that NOW we have great talents coming in. If the younger set were to play Fleming-like Bond, I'd give it to Arya. He got good fierce look, good acting talent, physics to match and charisma which is not bad. As for the seniors, of course Kamal has it all. Get a bit of a work out, get the Vikram (move, not the actor) character back and make it a bit more darker and violent and you have a great Bond-like flick. Of course, Kamal's effort as we say it in Malaysia, will be sap-sap-suey. That means, 'very easy'.

  
  Groucho,
  IMO i don't think Arya can pull of the one-liners or show the "coolness" required. Kamal/Rajini all the way...
  
  Anyway, Bond movies pathi pesinadhu podhum. ithOda nAn nippAttikkarEn
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 5:31:54 2007.

  on those times, vikram is one of the advanced movies, there were computers, not much heroism(kamal wont be able to stop that missile, and luckily it will land on sea...) almost the 1st filme to show computers and software engineer ect in Tamil\\Indian Cinema
  
  almost 10 years later, there was a movie, ullaithai Allitha, there was a goundamani joke, he will think a person working on a PC as him watching TV in office! and people still laughed for that joke!!!
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Mar 6 5:53:55 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  I too didn't like the Ulaga Nayagan title. Hell, we discussed about it. But why is it, in English, it becomes Universal Hero. Ulagam does not translate to Universal. Or does it? It's like Miss World is not Miss Universe, the latter whom is certainly not qualified since there might be beauties in Planet Venus.

  
  If they want to translate the universal hero title into Tamil, it would have been 'Prabanja Nayagan'.. Now I am not sure how many 'tamil' folks can pronounce and understand the word and if they attempt to do so the title may end up being damaged into some obscene word..
  Ulaga Nayagan is simpler I say...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 5:58:24 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  If they want to translate the universal hero title into Tamil, it would have been 'Prabanja Nayagan'.. Now I am not sure how many 'tamil' folks can pronounce and understand the word and if they attempt to do so the title may end up being damaged into some obscene word.. Ulaga Nayagan is simpler I say...

  
  'prapanjam' is a vada mozhichol!
  (Coming to think of it, what about nAyagan? I'm not sure, though)
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Mar 6 6:05:17 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  'prapanjam' is a vada mozhichol! (Coming to think of it, what about nAyagan? I'm not sure, though)

  
  Thats what I thought
  I considered ''Anda Saraasaram'' , but i think thats vada mozhi too ..
  appo universe-kku tamizh sol enna ? Muzhu Ulagam -nnu ninaikkuren
  'Muzhu Ulaga Nayagan'-ukku, Ulaga Nayagan evlavo thevala..
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 6:08:41 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: Vikram was better than any bond film pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal. I remember taking my malay and chines friends to see the movie on the eve of our elections. only to be laughed at mercilessly. such amateurishness! paalaa pOna malaysian censors, kadaisi scene'ayum vettitaanga.

  neenga athukku thaan padam paakka poneengalaa
  
  vikram is an amateurish movie.. that director rajasekar is a waste.. but its a good masala..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 6:13:08 2007.

  you ppl watn ulaga naayagan to be replaced with prabanja naayagan or Anda naayagan or Agila naaayagan ???
  
  pls remember that 'universal' is becoming a common word, and it is used nowadays to mean "all parts of the world" or "Global" "Worldwide" ect
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 6:13:23 2007.

  Ulaganayagan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: 'prapanjam' is a vada mozhichol! (Coming to think of it, what about nAyagan? I'm not sure, though) Thats what I thought I considered ''Anda Saraasaram'' , but i think thats vada mozhi too .. appo universe-kku tamizh sol enna ? Muzhu Ulagam -nnu ninaikkuren 'Muzhu Ulaga Nayagan'-ukku, Ulaga Nayagan evlavo thevala..

  
  You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam!
  http://www.tamilarea.com/tamildict/display.php?action=search&category=&word=universe
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 6:15:18 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam!

  
  
  no probs, hereafter we will address aandavar as PERANDA PITHAAVE POTTRI
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 6:23:03 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam! no probs, hereafter we will address aandavar as PERANDA PITHAAVE POTTRI

  
  aahaa..
  
  pAr pOtRum pudhumaippithan
  pEraNda mAvIran
  paguthaRivu pettagam
  parisutha AnmA
  ponnenjamkondAn
  pAsappErUtRU
  podhunalappriyan (etimology of priyan doubtful)
  pagaikkanjA pulithEvan
  ......
  
  

• From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Mar 6 6:24:27 2007.

  waah..waah
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Tue Mar 6 7:36:40 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  NOV wrote: pls dont get me started on Vikram - one of the crappiest movie ever made by kamal. Exactly, but even that is better than Bond movies, is my point

  
  
  I will recommend vetri vizha instead vikram and what about surasamharam?
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 7:38:24 2007.

  sanjeevi,
  even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO.
  
  

• From: Sanjeevi on Tue Mar 6 7:43:54 2007.

  Yes I liked vikram (based on Sujatha's story) and looked like an english movie
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Mar 6 7:50:12 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: thinkfloyd wrote: You are right! Universe = aNdam/pEraNdam! no probs, hereafter we will address aandavar as PERANDA PITHAAVE POTTRI aahaa.. pAr pOtRum pudhumaippithan pEraNda mAvIran paguthaRivu pettagam parisutha AnmA ponnenjamkondAn pAsappErUtRU podhunalappriyan (etimology of priyan doubtful) pagaikkanjA pulithEvan ......

  
  
  wow! ithu neenga ezuthunatha? Thamizh-la pinnureenga
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 7:56:52 2007.

  joe wrote:

  wow! ithu neenga ezuthunatha? Thamizh-la pinnureenga

  
  Edho oru flow-la ezhudhitten
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 9:08:54 2007.

  what is ulaga nayagan? is he superman or spiderman?
  
  all these are unnecessary in my opinion.
  nadigar thilagam commands so much respect. a title along those lines would be appropriate.
  something like nadippu sigaram.
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 9:13:20 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  neenga athukku thaan padam paakka poneengalaa

  well, that was how it was promoted then. first time errrr.... you can see on screen.
  
  but anyway, I managed to get a video cassette and saw the whole thing. very violent I must say.
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Tue Mar 6 9:15:59 2007.

  Ulaga Nayagan was given by KSR NOV sir...not for kamal....if u see kamal's own movies he avoids those sort of titles....Nadigar Imayam is better
  
  Grouch good point about the dark menacing look....but so far i have only seen kamal with that look before and rajini in his villain heydays...yet to see any others do that
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Mar 6 10:43:08 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  what is ulaga nayagan? is he superman or spiderman? all these are unnecessary in my opinion. nadigar thilagam commands so much respect. a title along those lines would be appropriate. something like nadippu sigaram

  
  
  do you think kamal is shining only bcos of his acting skills??
  
  what do you mean by Super Star?
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Tue Mar 6 10:45:42 2007.

  SV please do not bring rajini's title in.....although you do have a point in it being correlated to the ulaga nayagan title....its all titles given by directors/media/people....I think NOV sir misunderstood it as us giving kamal ulaga nayagan title
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Mar 6 12:24:48 2007.

  Vetri vizha is a good movie.....what did u find wrong there....it was a near to perfect entertainer
  
  If i am not wrong, bourne identity has a similar plot like vetri vizha
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  sanjeevi, even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO.

  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 12:33:02 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Vetri vizha is a good movie.....what did u find wrong there....it was a near to perfect entertainer If i am not wrong, bourne identity has a similar plot like vetri vizha Aandavan wrote: sanjeevi, even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO.

  illa thalaivare.. the plot of vetri vizha was copied from the Bourne identity novel.... i feel that if vikram is not a good movie, then vetri vizha is definitely not.. vikram is the better of the two.. though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 12:40:25 2007.

  Raja Paarvai theme music:
  
  panthuvarALi(?)
  
  Fusion = idhu!
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.5262/
  ["Theme Song"]
  
  I googled for a youtube video of this and mp3 download but no results!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Mar 6 12:42:51 2007.

  then i am wrong .both vikram and vetri vizha are good entertainers but definitely not class movies but shot very stylishly.......
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: Vetri vizha is a good movie.....what did u find wrong there....it was a near to perfect entertainer If i am not wrong, bourne identity has a similar plot like vetri vizha Aandavan wrote: sanjeevi, even vetri vizha and soorasamhaaram are not good movies.. vikram is better than these two movies IMO. illa thalaivare.. the plot of vetri vizha was copied from the Bourne identity novel.... i feel that if vikram is not a good movie, then vetri vizha is definitely not.. vikram is the better of the two.. though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..

  
  

• From: great on Tue Mar 6 12:48:18 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Raja Paarvai theme music: panthuvarALi(?) Fusion = idhu! http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.5262/ ["Theme Song"] I googled for a youtube video of this and mp3 download but no results!

  
  
  
  Lemme check if I can copy this song to MP3 format .
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Tue Mar 6 12:53:22 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Raja Paarvai theme music: panthuvarALi(?) Fusion = idhu! http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.5262/ ["Theme Song"] I googled for a youtube video of this and mp3 download but no results!

  is that a violin piece??? starts off with a violin piece.. some other instruments are also.. no lyrics.. its chanceless. only illayaraaja can do this.. i have it ...
  
  PS: sorry for my shameful description..
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 12:57:31 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  is that a violin piece??? starts off with a violin piece.. some other instruments are also.. no lyrics.. its chanceless. only illayaraaja can do this.. i have it ... PS: sorry for my shaneful description..

  
  adhE dhAn!
  Super!
  Send it to my GMail id pls...
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 16:10:39 2007.

  Some superb "bits" from the interview..
  
  "Nanbar oruthar kettaaru 'edhukku saar Hey Ram edutheenga? nashtam dhaane?'... nashtam dhaan.. aanaa enakku thaan nashtam.. veli aalunga nashtam nu solla mudiyaadhu.. idhukku saatchi enooda distributors"
  
  Defending the 'taste' of the Tamil audience.. "indha tight rope walking naan oru veembukku panradhilla.. enakku makkal paarkkum cinema edukka vendum nu aasai.. ennamo Tamil makkal kaattu miraandi avangalukku puriyaadhu ngara madhiri pesaraanga.. adha ketta thamizhana enakku kovam varum.. endha oor kaaran sonnaalum.. mukkiyama thamizhan sonnaal..."
  [I disagree with Aandavar in this. He has stressed this point repeatedly but i would ask him "Then what happened to your thamizh makkal's taste w.r.t Hey Ram, Mahanadhi, Anbe Sivam, Kannathil Muthamittal"??
  
  Adi Sankara, Bertrand Russel, Periyar, Ananthu, Chandrahaasan, Ilaiyaraaja, - Aandava!!!!!!!!!!! engayo poittiye!!!!!!!!!! ANBE SIVAM
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Mar 6 20:53:08 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  I think NOV sir misunderstood it as us giving kamal ulaga nayagan title

  You must think I am very stupid.
  
  sakala - granted.
  then I'd like to suggest kalai sigaram.
  forget others. even minuscules these days think they are entitled to a title. let's stick to kamal.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Tue Mar 6 22:39:45 2007.

  kalaignani is best tile
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Mar 6 23:08:40 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Adi Sankara, Bertrand Russel, Periyar, Ananthu, Chandrahaasan, Ilaiyaraaja, - Aandava!!!!!!!!!!! engayo poittiye!!!!!!!!!! ANBE SIVAM

  
  
  Did he mention or quote Russell? Whoa! I am reading him now. Got a few books, tough to read, but you do get immersed. Kamal reads Russell, huh? Well, we have something in common.
  
  As to Vetri Vizha, Vikram and Soorasamharam, I'd give high marks to VV for great entertainment value. And yes, Prathap admitted that he took it from Ludlum's book (of course, the usual Tamil film practise is you don't give official credit or money if it's from outside of India). The action scenes were great and Kamal was superb. And so was Saleem Gosh as Zinta - Sit down Stephen Raj!!! That commanding voice. What happen to him nowadays?
  
  Vikram was unique for its time. Second time Kamal is gambling. Was it a big hit? Made money? Whatever it is, I really enjoyed. Saw it a couple of years ago and still liked it. As someone in this thread mentioned, it was first time there was use of computer (in front of and behind camera) in the movie. Good action scenes. Oh, and Janagaraj rocked too.
  
  I liked Soorasamharam at that time, but don't feel the same. Some scenes are lifted from French Connection 2 and Kamal does not really look enthusiastic. He looks good though.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Tue Mar 6 23:19:59 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Did he mention or quote Russell? Whoa! I am reading him now. Got a few books, tough to read, but you do get immersed. Kamal reads Russell, huh? Well, we have something in common.

  
  After he recited the Adi Sankara sloka (spashtama ), he went on to transtlate the same and explain that he could see the kind of elevated status/state of mind that Adi Sankara had in Bertrand Russell, Periyar, Ananthu, Chandrahaasan and Ilaiyaraaja.. "andha gnanam oru andhanam idam irundhaalum oru chandaalan idam irundhaalum ondru dhaan.." That is, he explained "Anbe Sivam" with such brevity!
  
  

  groucho070 wrote:

  Vikram was unique for its time. Second time Kamal is gambling. Was it a big hit? Made money?

  
  It had a tremendous opening but was not a big hit...
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Mar 7 0:01:06 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..

  
  Vetri Vizha was a commercial success?
  Now, that's news to me I still remmeebr that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Mar 7 0:01:26 2007.

  Aandavan wrote:

  though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success..

  
  Vetri Vizha was a commercial success?
  Now, that's news to me I still remember that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Mar 7 0:16:32 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success.. Vetri Vizha was a commercial success? Now, that's news to me I still remember that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release

  no movie cop.. neenga theriyaamal pesureenga... infact at that time there was this competition between Maappilai and Vetri Vizha.. Vetri vizha won that race..
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Mar 7 0:19:00 2007.

  Vetri vizha was a genuine hit .......it had a good run in cbe in royal theatre
  

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Aandavan wrote: though, vetri vizha was a big commercial success.. Vetri Vizha was a commercial success? Now, that's news to me I still remember that the movie was a damp squib at the Mount Road Shanthi theatre even during it's first week of release

  
  

• From: joe on Wed Mar 7 0:21:01 2007.

  Vetrivizha ran 85 days in my home town nagercoil (considerably B centre)
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 0:33:22 2007.

  VetriVizha should have created a genre of action films in Tamil film industry. I wished it could have. But no...they went back to the same old crap in the nineties.
  
  VV made me think about Kamal and Rajini's association with Prabhu. Seemed that both time they worked, then and now, the films were big hits. Just a thought.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Mar 7 0:35:57 2007.

  it has always been a dream of mine to direct a movie with both Kamal and Rajini - ala Raiders of the Lost Ark. and to do it without publicity.
  
  kanaa kaanum kaalangal
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 0:36:26 2007.

  You might still have ur wish granted Rakesh....Prathap Pothen is back with another action-thriller with supposedly Maddy in the lead..might be interesting this one...Anyways gautham menon is doing a good job of doing stylish action thrillers although they are abit too westernised for indian audience taste
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 1:02:39 2007.

  But I heard it's not an action flick? Some kind of romance subject.
  
  And Nov, closest Rajini and Kamal got involved in action flick is Aadu Puli Attam. Rajini is the bad guy. Some action scene that were neat for the 70s but looks terribly dated now. It's nice to hear Rajini saying, "Ithuthaan Rajini shtyle".
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 1:17:00 2007.

  Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together
  
  Romance flick?..perhaps i read the wrong Maddy movie
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Mar 7 1:20:04 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together

  
  A couple of more reasons
  1) Cost
  2) Mayhem in the theatres
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Mar 7 1:21:50 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Hulkster wrote: Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together A couple of more reasons 1) Cost 2) Mayhem in the theatres

  paradise unit in a rajini movie
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 1:21:57 2007.

  Mayhem in the theaters....you mean a rajini fan vs kamal fan fight is possible...i thought that only happens if a rajini movie and kamal movie are competing against each other
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Mar 7 1:32:29 2007.

  
  

  Aandavan wrote:

  thinkfloyd wrote: Hulkster wrote: Still might happen..only reason why Rajini and Kamal are avoiding appearing in a flick together is due to the expectations that will be hard to catch up with...but besides that there is no other barrier for them to come together A couple of more reasons 1) Cost 2) Mayhem in the theatres paradise unit in a rajini movie

  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 1:39:46 2007.

  Can anyone explain to me what karthik means by paradise unit in rajini movie?
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 1:41:44 2007.

  after watching the good bad and the ugly...i thought abt
  
  kamal - good
  rajni - bad
  sathyaraj - ugly
  
  

• From: Aandavan on Wed Mar 7 1:48:00 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  Can anyone explain to me what karthik means by paradise unit in rajini movie?

  ranagalam.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Mar 7 1:48:56 2007.

  i was actually thinking of a treasure hunt kind of action movie. both kamal and rajini are heroes, competing against each other - no real villains.
  no songs, rollercoaster kind of action.
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Mar 7 1:58:11 2007.

  Hulkster wrote:

  Mayhem in the theaters....you mean a rajini fan vs kamal fan fight is possible...i thought that only happens if a rajini movie and kamal movie are competing against each other

  
  illa Hulkster,
  Volatile is an understatement. Though Kamal and Rajini don't compete, fans will
  Even for second releases, its like that...
  ivaLavu yen, Thevar Magan appove prachanai aachu!
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 2:02:15 2007.

  Don't know, Nov. Very remote chance.
  
  I had always fancied buddy movies of the 80s. Anyone familiar with Midnight Run? De Niro and Grodin? Make some adjustment, and you have a great buddy movie. Of course, it starts antagonistically. Would be good for Rajini and Kamal.
  
  And Thimiru, despite my Talaivar's great presence and Van Cleef's menacing performance, the acting scope is that of Wallach's. So, Sathyaraj will get to do the acting while Kamal and Rajini slug it out. Now, we are talking about real riot in theatre. Just ask Selva .
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 2:15:12 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Don't know, Nov. Very remote chance. I had always fancied buddy movies of the 80s. Anyone familiar with Midnight Run? De Niro and Grodin? Make some adjustment, and you have a great buddy movie. Of course, it starts antagonistically. Would be good for Rajini and Kamal. And Thimiru, despite my Talaivar's great presence and Van Cleef's menacing performance, the acting scope is that of Wallach's. So, Sathyaraj will get to do the acting while Kamal and Rajini slug it out. Now, we are talking about real riot in theatre. Just ask Selva .

  
  
  the storyline must be changed accordingly...
  
  

• From: Hulkster on Wed Mar 7 2:25:37 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  illa Hulkster, Volatile is an understatement. Though Kamal and Rajini don't compete, fans will Even for second releases, its like that... ivaLavu yen, Thevar Magan appove prachanai aachu!

  
  
  Its for such circumstances that i hope fanatism is abolished or perhaps controlled to only onesefl
  
  Perhaps movies that will really make the rajini and kamal combo interesting is that of competing themes like NOV has explained..not necessarily treasure hunt..could be even a cop thriller
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 2:27:39 2007.

  a film like heat!
  
  or a remake of aadu puli aatam
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 2:46:20 2007.

  Or imagine DSP Raghavan hunting down Basha, discovers that he is alright after all, and both goes after Mark Anthony.
  
  There, I am off my rockers.
  
  Ultimately we keep going back to the subject of Rajini and kamal together.
  
  Sometimes I feel it's not right. Being fans of both, I usually advice others not to compare both of their films or performance, being that they are different performers (from one root, though) and their movies are different. But when you put them together, they have to perform in similar rythmn under one roof. Would you compare? I never did, when watching their older efforts, though most of the time one steals the other's thunder (I won't say who, manasatchi taanggaathu).
  
  

• From: thinkfloyd on Wed Mar 7 3:02:33 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Sometimes I feel it's not right. Being fans of both, I usually advice others not to compare both of their films or performance, being that they are different performers (from one root, though) and their movies are different. But when you put them together, they have to perform in similar rythmn under one roof. Would you compare? I never did, when watching their older efforts, though most of the time one steals the other's thunder (I won't say who, manasatchi taanggaathu).

  
  Groucho,
  With all due respect to your opinions, advice and all, let's please stick to Kamal in this thread please.
  
  

• From: thimuru on Wed Mar 7 3:06:41 2007.

  kamal in carlito's way would be just awesome...kalaasala irukkum.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 3:35:35 2007.

  thinkfloyd wrote:

  Groucho, With all due respect to your opinions, advice and all, let's please stick to Kamal in this thread please.

  
  
  Thanks to your respect to my opinions, advice and all, and yes, we shall stick to Kamal in this thread. Didn't know we veered off too far away from the track. Shall find out if there is a thread on Kamal AND Rajini.
  
  Nope, can't find any. We have few for each, but nothing for both. Too bad, ain't it.
  
  I agree with Thimiru, Carlito's Way would be awesome for Kamal. Very matured character and would be suitable for him.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Mar 7 6:10:27 2007.

  Whoa...All Quiet In The Hub Front.
  
  Hark! What goes there...a thumbleweed!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Mar 20 9:21:57 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJbfak6X4eA
  
  Endhan nenjil ....
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sat Mar 24 19:03:06 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L793KsGF2yg
  
  Meendum Kokila
  
  

• From: Wibha on Sun Mar 25 0:50:43 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L793KsGF2yg Meendum Kokila

  
  
  i luv dis movie
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Sun Apr 1 14:28:57 2007.

  [quote="groucho070"]Or imagine DSP Raghavan hunting down Basha, discovers that he is alright after all, and both goes after Mark Anthony.
  
  There, I am off my rockers.
  
  Ultimately we keep going back to the subject of Rajini and kamal together.
  
  How about the movice "FACE OFF" WITH rajini and kamal... kamal should play JT and rajni should NC.. man...it's amazing..equal chance for every body..but NC will die at the end so as ...R
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri May 18 8:55:50 2007.

  an attempt to revive the thread
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri May 18 8:58:07 2007.

  I always get reminded of
  
  sigappu rojakkaL
  
  (hanky scene) when he gets himself introduced to shridevi.
  
  Simply too romantic to resist admiring the scene
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri May 18 10:51:21 2007.

  Shakthiprabha wrote:

  I always get reminded of sigappu rojakkaL (hanky scene) when he gets himself introduced to shridevi. Simply too romantic to resist admiring the scene

  
  
  I loved that Ninavo Oru Paravai song.. what a song that is.. amazing....so with sridevi..
  
  Anyway, Sakthiprabha You're sreedevi photo is amazing.. She was very good when she acted with kamal and Rajni and yester years ..Especially guru, vazveh mayam, meenduk kokila.
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Fri May 18 12:49:32 2007.

  hello amarshiva.
  
  yes what u say is true.
  
  She amazingly blended both with rajnikant and kamalhassan (which very few actresses did)
  
  'ninaivo oru paravai'.... sridevi was breathtakingly beautiful and kamalhassan is as usual no less with his enchanting smile
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jun 8 16:57:41 2007.

  Kamalians,
  Check out the video of "Enadi Meenatchi..." song from Illamai Oonjal Aadugirathu (1978).
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxm4rxk1wlI&mode=related&search=
  
  What a graceful acting from the genius even in a song sequence? Acting is not just about talking dialogues and expressions. It's also showing sharp emotions with subtelity, body language and body movements. This one song has it all - proves that KH is a complete actor with grace and elegance written all over it!
  
  P.S: Sripriya looks pretty in that song too!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sat Jun 9 15:21:13 2007.

  Was watching Kalaignan today. One of those rare films where I felt Kamal could have done much better. There was at least one scene - just before the Endhan Nenjil song - it had simple and nice dialogues. Pretty much monologue for Kamal - where he explains how he is heartbroken. I felt his expressions were below par. Either that or I am getting old.
  
  When the movie released, I felt: 'excuse me, indha ammaNiyai thEdittu irukkeengaLA ? (before the car-park fight) was an uber-cool line. Today I found it a bit corny.
  
  I need Dasa soooooooooooooooooooooon !
  
  

• From: vasanth2006 on Sat Jun 9 15:33:14 2007.

  my favorite kamal movies....
  
  1) maha nadhi
  2) guna
  3) nayakan
  4) kuruthipunal
  5) devar magan
  6) salangai oli
  7) moondram pirai
  8) virumandi
  9) anbe sivam
  10) punnagai mannan
  11) sathya
  12) Hey Ram
  
  and etc....
  
  Beautiful movies.... all are in world class...... ULAGA NAYAGAN ROCKS........such a fantastic actor......
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Mon Jun 11 13:51:19 2007.

  vasanth2006 wrote:

  my favorite kamal movies.... 1) maha nadhi 2) guna 3) nayakan 4) kuruthipunal 5) devar magan 6) salangai oli 7) moondram pirai 8) virumandi 9) anbe sivam 10) punnagai mannan 11) sathya 12) Hey Ram and etc.... Beautiful movies.... all are in world class...... ULAGA NAYAGAN ROCKS........such a fantastic actor......

  
  I noticed whenever ppl list fav. KH movies - there are couple of movies that he acted under KB direction either gets missed out or underrated. One is "Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu" and the other one is "Unnal Mudiyum Thambi"... Both had some very social messages during those times. As usual, thalaivar would have rocked in his acting in both those movies!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Jun 11 14:01:36 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  vasanth2006 wrote: my favorite kamal movies.... 1) maha nadhi 2) guna 3) nayakan 4) kuruthipunal 5) devar magan 6) salangai oli 7) moondram pirai 8) virumandi 9) anbe sivam 10) punnagai mannan 11) sathya 12) Hey Ram and etc.... Beautiful movies.... all are in world class...... ULAGA NAYAGAN ROCKS........such a fantastic actor...... I noticed whenever ppl list fav. KH movies - there are couple of movies that he acted under KB direction either gets missed out or underrated. One is "Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu" and the other one is "Unnal Mudiyum Thambi"... Both had some very social messages during those times. As usual, thalaivar would have rocked in his acting in both those movies!

  
  
  And Nizhal nijamaagiradu, maybe not the protagonist, BUT - charisma,sarcasm and Amazing dialogue delivery. Communism pathi pesa arambicha padam. That was, even before VNS and Anbe Sivam And bharathanatyam steps pottu kalakuvAr!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Jun 11 19:23:18 2007.

  Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire
  One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions.....
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Jun 11 19:43:02 2007.

  KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Jun 11 21:07:20 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry.

  
  mmm... For a lesser actor, maybe we can blame the director but not for Nammavar. Avarukke interest illama irundhirukkalaam...
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Tue Jun 12 0:47:33 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions.....

  
  
  its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Jun 12 1:31:21 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions..... its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class

  
  
  Read "Cliched/stereotyped" again. The film UMT/RV hinges on the lead roles performance. Chiru as we all know is a stereotyped actor. And I guess, Kamal was emulating a bad example.
  
  Moreover, I hate Nammavar doing remakes. Especially VR MBBS which he did, for bucks.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Jun 12 1:35:35 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Especially VR MBBS which he did, for bucks.

  
  Thilak,
  Definitely not for bucks. Infact, Gemini Films made a killing.
  Doing that also meant no scope in AP/KN as it was already made there. Jayam Ravi-a vechu panra padathukku Aandavar edhukku?
  
  He did it for L.V Prasad's grandson.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Jun 12 1:40:29 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry.

  Nice lines, interesting film, ordinary performances. When KB was once asked if there was any film where he was less than 100% satisfied with Kamal's performance, he said UMT.
  
  Kamal is pretty enjoyable in the lighter moments of the film: like the scene where he meets Meesai Murugesh for the first time :
  meesai veLLaiya irukkuradhunaala karuppu konjam thookkudhu
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Jun 12 1:41:12 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: Especially VR MBBS which he did, for bucks. Thilak, Definitely not for bucks. Infact, Gemini Films made a killing. Doing that also meant no scope in AP/KN as it was already made there. Jayam Ravi-a vechu panra padathukku Aandavar edhukku? He did it for L.V Prasad's grandson.

  
  
  Oh forgot. But I guess, it should stop. He makes a few bad selections.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Tue Jun 12 5:36:17 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  kannannn wrote: KB has another cross to carry for making Kamal give the same expressions when he gets angry. mmm... For a lesser actor, maybe we can blame the director but not for Nammavar. Avarukke interest illama irundhirukkalaam...

  
  Adhuvum saridhaan, but I have this feeling that Kamal expresses anger in almost the same way in all KB films. It is markedly different (and distinct) in other movies of his. BTW, was UMT the last Kamal movie for KB? I don't think he even made any for Kavithalaya after that.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jun 13 6:54:54 2007.

  போட்டா படியுது..
  One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 7:10:23 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  போட்டா வடியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.

  
  
  padiyudhu.....not vadiyudhu
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Wed Jun 13 7:17:49 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions..... its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class

  
  
  
  I thought that RudraVeena is the remade one and UMT is the original. UMT is one of those very few KB films that I like. AThuvum Original illaya
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jun 13 7:17:51 2007.

  avasara kudukkai . Thanks PK
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 10:16:29 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: crajkumar_be wrote: Unnal Mudiyum Thambi - As an Aandavar bhakthan i have never been proud of this film in Nammavar's repertoire One of his lesser performances as an actor. Cliched "Kamal" expressions and reactions..... its a remake of telugu classic "rudraveena"...which is considered to be the best of chiru in terms of class I thought that RudraVeena is the remade one and UMT is the original. UMT is one of those very few KB films that I like. AThuvum Original illaya

  
  
  rudraveena was directed by K.B selva
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 10:18:55 2007.

  i lik punnagai mannan from kb nd kamal.. nd i also lik moondru mudichu,avargal,varumayin niram sigappu!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:03:16 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  போட்டா படியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.

  
  
  It's a nice song Kannan. He'd bring out all that emotions and feelings ( (aathiram, kObam, aathangam) through his voice. Song sequence-um azhagu. Romba nallA paNNuvAr. Just see his expressions for the line "mEdai pEchum vArthai veechum yEn" - oru sOru patham
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Jun 13 12:10:35 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  kannannn wrote: போட்டா படியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect. It's a nice song Kannan. He'd bring out all that emotions and feelings ( (aathiram, kObam, aathangam) through his voice. Song sequence-um azhagu. Romba nallA paNNuvAr. Just see his expressions for the line "mEdai pEchum vArthai veechum yEn" - oru sOru patham

  
  
  baaradha naattukkoru kottai suvar naamaga
  aayiram vedhangalum vaadhangalum thoolaga
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:18:05 2007.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  baaradha naattukkoru kottai suvar naamaga aayiram vedhangalum vaadhangalum thoolaga

  
  
  good to know u remember those lines. But athu bEthangaLum not vEthangaLum
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:20:07 2007.

  yezhai sirikanum sirikanum
  oru pidi soru avanuku kidaikanum kidaikanum
  
  maayam vilakanum vilakanum
  arasiyal sayam velukanum velukanum
  
  madai pEchum
  vaarthai theechum yEn
  
  pOtta padiyudhu padiyudhu
  thininjavan kEtta vidiyudhu vidiyudhu
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jun 13 12:27:17 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  thininjavan kEtta vidiyudhu vidiyudhu

  
  Thuninjavan
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:34:47 2007.

  WELL......thats a typo CR
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:35:18 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  madai pEchum vaarthai theechum yEn

  
  
  Vaarthai Veechum
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:35:41 2007.

  IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:36:46 2007.

  THE STARTING LINES ROCK
  
  YEHHHHHHHHHHH BABABA
  
  YEYEYHHHHHH BABABAHH
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jun 13 12:38:53 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT

  
  
  அது 'வீச்சு' தான் .
  
  நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்?
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:40:52 2007.

  joe wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்?

  
  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:40:52 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT

  
  
  Yes ! and in thamizh it's always - Vaarthai Veechu and not VArthai Theechu
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 12:48:46 2007.

  palanikumaran wrote:

  joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்?

  
  
  Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Wed Jun 13 12:51:53 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam

  
  
  roshan avargaLE....enaku paLLiyil migavum pidiththa paadam "thamizh"
  
  ippo kooda ilakanakuripu kEtta tappunu solluvEn..
  
  I THOUGHT THEECHU IS A TAMIL WORD
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 12:56:46 2007.

  idu nalla irukE! bengali..malyali, telugu, hindi fans yenna panuvanga?
  
  

  Roshan wrote:

  palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam

  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jun 13 13:00:52 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  idu nalla irukE! bengali..malyali, telugu, hindi fans yenna panuvanga? Roshan wrote: palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam

  
  
  அவரவர் தாய்மொழியை நன்கு கற்றுக்கொள்வது நல்லது.
  
  கமல்ஹாசன் வெறும் நடிகர் மட்டுலல்ல .தமிழில் அவர் ஒரு கவிஞர் ,எழுத்தாளர் ,தமிழ் அன்பர் .எனவே கமல் மேல் பற்று கொண்ட தமிழ் ரசிகர்கள் ,அவர் போல தமிழ் மேலும் பற்று கொண்டிருந்தால் அவர் மகிழ்வார்.
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:07:55 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Selvam_mayyam wrote: idu nalla irukE! bengali..malyali, telugu, hindi fans yenna panuvanga? Roshan wrote: palanikumaran wrote: joe wrote: palanikumaran wrote: IS IT REALLY VEECHU...I DOUBT அது 'வீச்சு' தான் . நீங்க சொல்லுற 'தீச்சு'-க்கு என்ன அர்த்தம்? Kamal Hassan abimAnigaL ellOrum, konjam nalla thamizh katrukoLvathu avarukku seyyum miga periya mariyAthaigaLil ondru enbathu en thAzhmaiyAna abiprAyam அவரவர் தாய்மொழியை நன்கு கற்றுக்கொள்வது நல்லது. கமல்ஹாசன் வெறும் நடிகர் மட்டுலல்ல .தமிழில் அவர் ஒரு கவிஞர் ,எழுத்தாளர் ,தமிழ் அன்பர் .எனவே கமல் மேல் பற்று கொண்ட தமிழ் ரசிகர்கள் ,அவர் போல தமிழ் மேலும் பற்று கொண்டிருந்தால் அவர் மகிழ்வார்.

  
  
  k..romba fans kootam pa!!!!!
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:38:34 2007.

  questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Jun 13 13:39:52 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea

  
  
  I'm sure Kamal would have done the research in talkin to ppl who have seen such sights before, that's why!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jun 13 13:43:24 2007.

  similar blood spill in virumaandi, when nepolean is murdered....and yes, maybe thts the reality...who knows
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:44:59 2007.

  virumandi altho a gr8 effort nd a good film.. has such horrible blood nd gore scenes.. nd both hey ram nd virumandi had bad graphic .. imagine them 2 b bettr.. da films wud b world class..
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 13:46:05 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Selvam_mayyam wrote: questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea I'm sure Kamal would have done the research in talkin to ppl who have seen such sights before, that's why!

  
  
  idellam oru reason? any doctors or anatomy students here who can confirm???
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Jun 13 13:46:49 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Selvam_mayyam wrote: questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea I'm sure Kamal would have done the research in talkin to ppl who have seen such sights before, that's why! idellam oru reason? any doctors or anatomy students here who can confirm???

  
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jun 13 13:48:03 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  போட்டா படியுது.. One of my favourite Kamal sung songs. The lip movement is a bit out of sync in this clip, but in the original clip, the way the song restarts after the din from train and aircraft dies down is just perfect.

  my fav line in this song is unakkithu late aa puriythu puriyuthu puriyuthu
  
  i equate that line to some TN Audience me too was in that gruop in past...
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 13 14:06:52 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  my fav line in this song is unakkithu late aa puriythu puriyuthu puriyuthu i equate that line to some TN Audience me too was in that gruop in past...

  
  
  HayyA nAn antha group-il oru nALum irunthathillai
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jun 13 14:08:35 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  questn in hey ram... why s da blood spilling lik a mini foutain frm rani's throat? any idea

  
  Yenga, 'blood pressure'-nnu onnu irukku theriyuma?
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 14:39:09 2007.

  another quest in hey ram... why does kamal use scene lik da one where a lizard licks da blood on da floor.. is it surreal symbolic message fr us?
  
  don make fun f me again.. but dis time.. i will also give back if u attack personally..
  
  

• From: kb on Wed Jun 13 14:41:07 2007.

  virumaandi climax paarunga.. innoru kelvi ketpeenga
  
  

• From: Selvam_mayyam on Wed Jun 13 14:43:05 2007.

  kb wrote:

  virumaandi climax paarunga.. innoru kelvi ketpeenga

  
  
  dat climax
  
  no questions..it ws crap!
  
  bt da film s good.. i wud give it 3 out of 4 stars..
  
  hey ram will get 3.75 on 4.. if nt fr some terrible scenes..it wud get 4 on 4.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jun 14 0:31:13 2007.

  Selvam_mayyam wrote:

  kb wrote: virumaandi climax paarunga.. innoru kelvi ketpeenga dat climax no questions..it ws crap! bt da film s good.. i wud give it 3 out of 4 stars.. hey ram will get 3.75 on 4.. if nt fr some terrible scenes..it wud get 4 on 4.

  
  
  
  Dear Selvam Mayyam,
  
  If you feel it is a crap - let it be. I am sure, the concerned authorities arent fools to award Virumandi (which according to you has a crap climax) the best Asian Movie. This thread is to ONLY discuss about Kamal's favourite movies, scenes, songs etc. Hope that is clear to you. If you have got anything that you liked or enjoyed in KH movies you are welcome to share it here. If not find an appropriate thread and post your questions and grievences there. Thank you
  
  

• From: avven on Thu Jun 14 0:41:02 2007.

  i liked the virumandi climax
  
  

• From: Wibha on Thu Jun 14 0:46:11 2007.

  aalvandan nandu role is awesome
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Thu Jun 14 5:01:15 2007.

  avven wrote:

  i liked the virumandi climax

  
  
  viru viru mandi virumandi..
  
  many claimed that it reduced the class of the movie...
  
  but i enjoyed the climax greatly....ir bgm
  
  

• From: palanikumaran on Thu Jun 14 5:02:55 2007.

  Wibha wrote:

  aalvandan nandu role is awesome

  
  
  my favourite scene in aalavandhan was
  
  nandu sitting before a lamp post and he imagines his doctor,anuhaasan at all and talking like a child
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Thu Jun 14 15:30:59 2007.

  One of my favorite scenes is in Anbe Sivam. Actually it is the last scene, when he lets his would-be killer go away:
  
  " பொழைச்சு போ"
  
  This could also qualify as probably the best oneliner in Tamil movies.
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Thu Jun 14 16:02:53 2007.

  madhus369 wrote:

  One of my favorite scenes is in Anbe Sivam. Actually it is the last scene, when he lets his would-be killer go away: " பொழைச்சு போ" This could also qualify as probably the best oneliner in Tamil movies.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Thu Jun 14 19:34:30 2007.

  It looks like all the Kamal fans are clogging up bandwidth in the Sivaji forum. This place feels so empty now ! Echo... Echo... Echo...
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Jun 19 10:53:53 2007.

  Just saw few of the scenes from VV once again:
  
  the scene in which KH proposes to Kamalini is just amazing. One of the best romantic scenes with minor dose of comedy and the dialogues were KH's expressions will be awesome throughout that scene.
  Kamalini looked in that silk saree. Her uneasiness with that instant proposal and KH's prolonged "PUSH" with continuous dialogues
  
  Kamalini: Hey ! ...yy Its too fast for me
  KH : enakku idhu romba slow (something ||| to this)
  
  And again
  
  "2 nimishathulayae solli iruppen" "Athanaala 2 mani neram kazhichi solluraen"
  
  Hats of to GM ! that scene was fantastic
  @ GM for killing Kamalini
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Jun 20 1:26:51 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Hats of to GM ! that scene was fantastic @ GM for killing Kamalini

  
  
  
  
  Athanaala thaan, Kamal+Jo Matured relationship Kaatrathukku Chance kidaichuthu
  
  The scenes you mentioned were :thumsup:
  
  Perfect timing when Kamal Says. It brings you laughter. Oru Alattal Kidayaathu, Comedy thaan Panroamnu Show panra maathiri reaction kidayaathu. Kamal
  
  

• From: unique on Wed Jun 20 2:45:47 2007.

  but kamal looked fat in that scene...!
  
  but he looked awesome in other part of the movie
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Jun 20 15:22:11 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Just saw few of the scenes from VV once again: the scene in which KH proposes to Kamalini is just amazing. One of the best romantic scenes with minor dose of comedy and the dialogues were KH's expressions will be awesome throughout that scene. Kamalini looked in that silk saree. Her uneasiness with that instant proposal and KH's prolonged "PUSH" with continuous dialogues Kamalini: Hey ! ...yy Its too fast for me KH : enakku idhu romba slow (something ||| to this) And again "2 nimishathulayae solli iruppen" "Athanaala 2 mani neram kazhichi solluraen" Hats of to GM ! that scene was fantastic @ GM for killing Kamalini

  
  
  OK this is how the entire conversation goes ...
  
  Kamalini - Namma santhichi two hoursthAn aagi irukku athukuLLa enna Love?
  
  KH : two minuteslayE solli iruppEn aanA nee thappa nenekkapOriyEnnu rendu mani nEram poruthuttu irunthEn ( Kamalini blushes)
  
  KH continues : Look.. naan strict-A , stiff-A pEsAma ellAm iruppEnnu nenekkAtha.. niRaiya pEsuvEn... actually I am fun to be with. onna nallA pAthukuvEn, kozhanthaingaLa.......... (gets interrupted by Kamalini)
  
  Kamalini - hoho.. this is too fast for me
  
  Kamal - Look here kayal, unakkithu fast-A irukkalAm.. enakkithu romba slow sari vEnAmna vEnAm .. innaikku vEnAm nALaikku vechukalAm namma kalyAnatha ?
  
  Kamalini : ( with a shocked tone) what.. what what are you saying ??
  
  Kamal : I LOVE YOU
  
  
  KH was simply
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Thu Jun 21 10:57:52 2007.

  One role that I would really love for Kamal to reprise again, in a fulltime role, is the one in "Sathi Leelavathy".
  
  With just him, Sarala and the kid, they can easily write up a script to tell some other misadventure.
  
  KH's comedic timing was perfectly in sync with Sarala in this movie.
  
  "payyan nemba shaarppu"
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Thu Jun 21 11:16:15 2007.

  oh Roshan. Just saw this one.
  Good one with neat step by step explanation.
  Wonderful scene.
  
  

• From: sakthivel_cool on Thu Jun 21 12:24:16 2007.

  One of my favorite scenes: Kamal's interview to Raj tv in thenali
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jun 21 13:00:45 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  oh Roshan. Just saw this one. Good one with neat step by step explanation. Wonderful scene.

  
  
  Yes wonderful it is Kamal and Kamalini both were cooool and cute. Kamalini's facial expressions
  
  

• From: Yathu on Thu Jun 21 13:51:49 2007.

  sakthivel_cool wrote:

  One of my favorite scenes: Kamal's interview to Raj tv in thenali

  
  
  Yeah, that scene was both funny and sad! Great acting by Kamal!
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Fri Jun 22 3:25:20 2007.

  Yathu wrote:

  sakthivel_cool wrote: One of my favorite scenes: Kamal's interview to Raj tv in thenali Yeah, that scene was both funny and sad! Great acting by Kamal!

  
  
  That is default for any scene or in any film
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Jul 10 10:49:04 2007.

  Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again...
  
  http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jul 11 8:07:44 2007.

  http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-review_heyram.cfm
  
  by Aparita Bhandari
  
  Kamal Hassan's latest Bollywood venture is a massive project, to put it very mildly. It sets out to deal with Indian history, more specifically the time period of Indian Independence and the creation of Pakistan. As is evident from the title of the film, the film also deals with Gandhi, his ideas and how they affected the general populace. In doing so, the film follows a fairly anti-Gandhian stance for the most part only to reject it at the end. It is evident that Hassan tries to depict the thought process of people of the likes of Nathuram Godse only to show the flaws in such thinking. In the complete volte-face that the film does at the end, there is a validation of the Gandhian principles of ahimsa that becomes a telling reprimand on the communal violence still occurring in various parts of India.
  
  A Series of Flashbacks
  
  The movie unfolds as a series of flashbacks. The old and ailing Saket Ram (Kamal Hassan) is on his deathbed. It is 1999 and communal riots have created havoc in city. As a (Muslim) doctor tries to save old Saket Ram's life, his young author-grandson tells the doctor of his latest work, based on the life of his grandfather, part autobiography and part fiction. Immediately we are taken back to 1946 in Karachi. Saket Ram is an archaeologist on a dig with his trusted friends, Amjad Khan (Shahrukh Khan) and Lalwani (Saurabh Shukla), all of who resent the talks of the partition of India. Ram goes to Calcutta to meet his wife, Aparna (Rani Mukherjee). After an idyllic interlude, Ram leaves his house to find the city in shambles and returns home to find a bunch of Muslims, attacking his wife. Helpless, Ram struggles as his wife is brutally raped and murdered. Ram goes mad and hunts and kills the men who raped and murdered his wife. During this rampage, he meets Abhyanker (Atul Kulkarni), a Hindu Tanjore-Maratha fundamentalist who fuels Ram's inner rage giving him the target of Gandhi.
  
  The film then goes on following Ram, as he remarries, a scene that provides a brief comic respite, and joins a small army of Marathas led by a Maharaja (Vikram Gokhale) set out to exterminate who they believe is the root of all the religious fundamentalism and the consequent rioting that follows. Gandhi. Ram abandons all bonds and relationships as he takes on this operation. Prior to his mission, he undergoes a cleansing rite on the banks of a city reminiscent of Benares. While preparing for this undertaking, Ram runs into Amjad Khan in the streets of Old Delhi. He is faced with an inner conflict as he sees people he knows die in a senseless conflict that starts because of him. Wracked with guilt, and overwhelmed by Gandhi's concern for the plight of India, Ram decides to abort his mission and admit his crimes. His decision, however, comes too late as Nathuram Godse assassinates Gandhi. The film ends with the death of old Saket Ram while bullets are whizzing past him. At the mourning ceremony, there is a cameo appearance by Tushar Gandhi, Mahatma Gandhi's grandson in real-life, who is taken into Saket Ram's room by his grandson and shown all the photos that recapitulate the various stages of Saket Ram's life.
  
  The Partition of India
  
  The concept of the film is laudable, and the quality is undoubtedly brilliant. Starting with the present times that are still rife with communal riots, Hey! Ram shows us how history repeats itself, and thus points to the senselessness of the communal violence that is the undoing of present day India. That Saket Ram's memory is triggered off by the present situation is a telling comment on the depravity of the situation. Moreover, the film wants to deal with a part of Indian history, the horror of which seems to be too easily forgotten. The Partition of India into two nations still has it's ramifications. The irony of it all is that we do not learn from the past. I sat cringing, my stomach turning as Aparna's cries rang out while being raped and when Ram discovers her with a slit throat, and feeling positively sick when a panoramic shot showed other women in similar states, one in her late sixties, in a montage of grotesque horror. The fact that these things still happen in the name of communal violence is a sickening reality.
  
  That said, one must admit that the film is rather long. The version that was screened at TIFF had the songs cut out of it, an excision that heightened the dramatic intensity of the film. Even then, the film still ran the full three hours or so. The film teetered at many times on the fine line of too much and just right. Rani Mukherjee as Aparna Sen was at times just a little too cute. Even though, one got the sense of the delusions of grandeurs that Saket Ram has in his mission, the special effects used were at times a bit too trite. Shahrukh Khan was at his irritating best in his portrayal of Amjad Khan, and one wonders whether he was roped in for solely commercial purposes. The problem was that his hammed role was absolutely at odds with the subject matter, as well as the subdued performance given by the other actors. Speaking of other actors, Hey! Ram has a whole bandwagon of some the biggest names in both Hindi and Tamil cinema. Even though a lot of them ended up doing bit parts, the dramatic intensity that they lent the movie was amazing. Especially noticeable was Atul Kulkarni playing the role of Sriram Abhyanker. Also noticeable was Naseerudin Shah, who did an absolutely terrible job of playing Gandhi.
  
  A Tough Subject
  
  Kamal Hassan deserves credit for handling a tough subject very well. There was obviously a lot of research done, and given the fact that the entire film (even the sequences from Delhi that look exactly like Connaught Place) were shot in Madras, there is a lot of 'accurate to the smallest detail' reconstruction. The film serves as a telling commentary on the fact that to understand and deal with our present we need only to look at our immediate past.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jul 11 10:50:23 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again... http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm

  
  

  Quote:

  I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically.

  what does aandavar try to say here??
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:04:52 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again... http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm Quote: I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically. what does aandavar try to say here??

  
  Can be taken in two ways: try to forge unity through movies as Gandhi did politically (which I am sure won't work) or cleanse movie world of fanaticism and blind following (which I am sure won't work either).
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jul 11 11:09:07 2007.

  Kannan,
  avatar is from South Park dhaane?
  Is it Kyle?
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jul 11 11:11:20 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: crajkumar_be wrote: Old interview which, i think might have already been posted. Worth reading again... http://www.mybindi.com/arts-entertainment/whatson/tiff-interview_kamalhassan.cfm Quote: I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically. what does aandavar try to say here?? Can be taken in two ways: try to forge unity through movies as Gandhi did politically (which I am sure won't work) or cleanse movie world of fanaticism and blind following (which I am sure won't work either).

  
  
  I think he is talking about EXPERIMENT
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:20:33 2007.

  CR, yes . IMO, the best cartoon series right now .
  
  Joe, explain please . Doesn't experiment seem a relatively shallow term?!
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jul 11 11:28:13 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  CR, yes . IMO, the best cartoon series right now . Joe, explain please . Doesn't experiment seem a relatively shallow term?!

  
  
  

  kamal wrote:

  Hey! Ram flopped, but I don't care. It was an arbitrary, tyrannical decision and the support that I have got has made it worth it. I want to do with cinema what Gandhi did politically.

  
  
  Irrespective of failure,Kamal wants to experiemnt just like Ghandhi tried various methods in politics (Non cooperative movement ,Uppu Sathiyagraham ,Ahimsa etc etc)
  
  

• From: sriranga on Wed Jul 11 11:33:22 2007.

  watched vazhve maayam. excellent acting by kamal especially the scene where he imitates his dad over phone and convinces sri devi to forget him and convinces his dad to convey the message to sri devi.
  
  some how, i feel some scenes in vazhve maayam were copied in singaravelan.
  1. secenes of kamal and sri devi in temple, devi sri devi song - similar song in singaravelan.
  2. kamal with bandaged leg in hospital.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:43:02 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Irrespective of failure,Kamal wants to experiemnt just like Ghandhi tried various methods in politics (Non cooperative movement ,Uppu Sathiyagraham ,Ahimsa etc etc)

  
  Hmm.. maybe you have a point Joe. But wasn't Kamal referring to the internal politics of that time? I think Gandhi's appeals for communal harmony were out of concern. Or atleast so they would seem. Would he dare exeriment with something so explosive?
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Jul 11 11:46:32 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  joe wrote: Irrespective of failure,Kamal wants to experiemnt just like Ghandhi tried various methods in politics (Non cooperative movement ,Uppu Sathiyagraham ,Ahimsa etc etc) Hmm.. maybe you have a point Joe. But wasn't Kamal referring to the internal politics of that time? I think Gandhi's appeals for communal harmony were out of concern. Or atleast so they would seem. Would he dare exeriment with something so explosive?

  
  
  I would say ,the India-Pakistan partition is very much explosive ,which is the main reason for his assasination.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jul 11 11:48:32 2007.

  Though i agree with Kannan that the Gandhian connection is with respect to political and communal harmony, Joe's point is interesting because the tag line os Hey Ram is "An experiment with truth" [Gandhi's autobiography is "My Experiment With Truth"]
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 11:58:03 2007.

  joe wrote:

  I would say ,the India-Pakistan partition is very much explosive ,which is the main reason for his assasination.

  
  Ahaa, Joe.. andha angle discuss panradhe explosive for this thread . I get your and CR's point. As for the movie's tag line, experiment with whose truth? Saket Ram's? Abhyankar's? Gandhi's? The refugees'?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jul 11 12:01:07 2007.

  It's Saketh's but he didnt know that till Mahatma's murder. correctaa ??
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 12:33:43 2007.

  Sakala, that's open ended, IMO. That's its beauty. As they say, there is no absolute truth .
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Jul 11 12:44:12 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  joe wrote: I would say ,the India-Pakistan partition is very much explosive ,which is the main reason for his assasination. Ahaa, Joe.. andha angle discuss panradhe explosive for this thread . I get your and CR's point. As for the movie's tag line, experiment with whose truth? Saket Ram's? Abhyankar's? Gandhi's? The refugees'?

  Bingo. Well put. That's the movie for you. That truth cannot exist in fragments but can exist as conflicting parts of a whole.
  
  No 'extremist' ever doubts the truth of what he is defending. What is more curious than his actions is his perception, that seems so much at odds with everyone else's. He thinks of himself as representing those, who may be too weak to have or express an opinion. He is a representative of truth as he sees it. Or to ask in Amjad's blunt words: உன் ஜாதிக்குப் ப்ரதிநிதியா வந்திருக்கியா ?
  
  The whole revolves around how things which are undeniable truths to some are marginal to all...and truth itself being a function of experience
  
  ஒரு ஓநாயா இருந்து பார்த்தாத்தான் அந்த தர்மம் புரியும்
  
  உனக்குப் புரியாது ராம், நீ சௌத் இண்டியன்
  
  உடம்பு உபாதை, இதெல்லாம் இழந்துட்டேன்....இனி மிஞ்சி இருக்கிறது என பரிசுத்தமான ஆத்மா
  
  உங்களுக்கும் மிஸ்டர். சாகேத் ராமுக்கும் என்ன உறவு
  சரீரத்துக்கும் ஆத்மாவுக்கும் இருக்கிற உறவு
  
  இப்பிடி ஒரு பாம்பு தோள்ல கையைப் போட்டுட்டு நிக்கறாரே..எப்பிடி பட்ட மகாத்துமா இந்த காந்தீ ?
  
  No Ram....Gandhi is the only sanity in this country... உனக்குப் பைத்தியமாடா ?
  
  
  It is most definitely an experiment with truth - the concept of what is the nature of truth.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Wed Jul 11 12:56:47 2007.

  PR,
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  ஒரு ஓநாயா இருந்து பார்த்தாத்தான் அந்த தர்மம் புரியும்

  
  That best sums up the actions of every main character in the movie.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Jul 11 13:00:31 2007.

  are we confusing between truth and opinion??
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 12 1:04:19 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  are we confusing between truth and opinion??

  
  I think i agree to an extent with Sakala here.
  While there may be no absolute truth, i think Hey Ram is about Saket Ram's sense of futility in the face of history repeating itself and 'our' failure to learn from our mistakes.
  
  The Saket Ram under Abhyankar's 'control' believes that eliminating the appeasing Gandhi is the only way to reinstate a Hindu rashtra. So, i would say it's belief which is implied, rather than truth.
  OK, even if we take it that truth can never be absolute, the film might have been about selecting the "best" possible 'truth'. Best for whom? - Everyone/India.
  appadi paartha, it doesn't look like its open-ended.
  The realization (truth?) comes late in the movie.
  Also, "experiment" here may refer to history or the past. In that sense, isn't truth depicted as an eternal phenomenon?
  
  P.S: Sorry if that didn't make any sense. Was just thinking "aloud"
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jul 12 1:34:45 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  The Saket Ram under Abhyankar's 'control' believes that eliminating the appeasing Gandhi is the only way to reinstate a Hindu rashtra.

  While he is no great fan of the Hindu rashtra itself:
  " ada uLLa vaayyA ........adhAn mAmA illaiyE"
  
  "idhellAm un vignyAnaththukku appArppattadhu..."
  "bagavAnukkum appArppattadhO ?"
  
  The Hindu jingoism is just a driftwood for him and he clings on to it absurdly when all he had was a misplaced personal vengeance.
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Also, "experiment" here may refer to history or the past. In that sense, isn't truth depicted as an eternal phenomenon?

  
  
  If someone is balanced enough to say "Hey ! this is just an opinion, perhaps not the absolute truth" then he is unlikely to be an extremist. Extremism of any sort stems from the belief that one's 'opinion' is the only truth.
  
  In terms of selecting the 'best' truth, the movie moved still did not move towards a simple acceptance of Gandhi, the man, as the 'only' one. Doesn't it seem bull-headed and seem like the vocabulary of a fanatic when Gandhi says " I will only listen to the voice within me" ?
  
  When his assistants are impatient with the man who asks Gandhi to go to the Himalayas, Gandhi's reaction is shown as the 'Mahatma's approach to truth. That it does not always imply agreement. That it can remain fragmented, the solutions will not be simple. And it will require an effort to rise beyond and see the bigger picture. And most importantly: that effort is humanly possible.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 12 1:44:26 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  While he is no great fan of the Hindu rashtra itself: " ada uLLa vaayyA ........adhAn mAmA illaiyE" "idhellAm un vignyAnaththukku appArppattadhu..." "bagavAnukkum appArppattadhO ?" The Hindu jingoism is just a driftwood for him and he clings on to it absurdly when all he had was a misplaced personal vengeance.

  
  Agree. I'd mentioned it for the "belief" angle, as against truth.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Also, "experiment" here may refer to history or the past. In that sense, isn't truth depicted as an eternal phenomenon?

  
  IOW, absolute.
  
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  If someone is balanced enough to say "Hey ! this is just an opinion, perhaps not the absolute truth" then he is unlikely to be an extremist. Extremism of any sort stems from the belief that one's 'opinion' is the only truth. In terms of selecting the 'best' truth, the movie moved still did not move towards a simple acceptance of Gandhi, the man, as the 'only' one. Doesn't it seem bull-headed and seem like the vocabulary of a fanatic when Gandhi says " I will only listen to the voice within me" ? When his assistants are impatient with the man who asks Gandhi to go to the Himalayas, Gandhi's reaction is shown as the 'Mahatma's approach to truth. That it does not always imply agreement. That it can remain fragmented, the solutions will not be simple. And it will require an effort to rise beyond and see the bigger picture. And most importantly: that effort is humanly possible.

  
  Fair enough
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 1:45:23 2007.

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 12 1:54:40 2007.

  joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 2:05:04 2007.

  joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  
  
  Good one
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 12 2:11:24 2007.

  joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  absolute true...indian youth is not interested in history. it feels that whatever heard is enuf and there is nothing more to get deep delved....i was also like that,
  
  i read about Anna sayint "_ _ _ _ onrum padithaanda pathiniyum alla, naanum mutrum thurantha munivanum alla" after reading that i felt bad about Anna, periyaar the whole DK, DK, but recently i read Gnaani's article in vikatan, about Anna, the man who established and enforced the habit of reading world history & politics, among DMK men, the man who sisnt bring ANY of his relative into party...i got the real truth...
  
  likewise HeyRaam too is an recollection if the real history...sadly there is less audiences...
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 2:22:32 2007.

  நன்றி நண்பர்களே!
  
  இதற்கு காரணம் நம் கல்வி முறையும் குடும்ப ,சமுதாய பின்புலமும் தான் காரணம் என நினைக்கிறேன்.
  
  இங்கே புத்திசாலி மாணவனை விட அதிக மதிப்பெண் வாங்கும் மாணவனுக்குத் தான் மதிப்பு .ஒரே புத்தகத்தை உருப்போட்டு வாந்தியெடுப்பது தான் நடக்கிறதே தவிர ,மாணவன் சுயமாக சிந்திக்கவோ ,அவன் தேடலுக்காக வாய்ப்புகளை வழங்கவோ ஊக்குவிக்கப்படுவதில்லை.
  
  அது போக ,நம் சமூக அமைப்பு ,ஏற்கனவே என்ன சொல்லி வச்சுருக்கோ அதை கேட்டுட்டு போயேன் .சும்மா ஏன் பைசா பிரயோஜனமில்லாத விஷயத்துல தலையிடுற -ன்னு சொல்லுறதே பழக்கமா போச்சு.
  
  இங்கு மரபுகளை உடைப்பதும் ,தள்ளி விடப்பட்டுள்ள கிணற்றுக்கு வெளியே தப்பி செல்ல நினைப்பதும் பாவம் .அங்கேயே சமத்தா இருந்தா நல்லவர் ,வல்லவர்-ன்னு பேர் வாங்கலாம் .
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 2:35:49 2007.

  கமல்ஹாசனுக்கு டாக்டர் பட்டம் கொடுத்த ஜேப்பியார் நேற்று சத்தியராஜுக்கும் , தேவாவுக்கும் டாக்டர் பட்டம் கொடுத்திருக்கிறார் .விரைவில் மயில்சாமி ,வையாபுரி போன்றவர்களுக்கும் டாக்டர் பட்டம் எதிர்பார்க்கலாம்.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 2:38:13 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  i read about Anna sayint "_ _ _ _ onrum padithaanda pathiniyum alla, naanum mutrum thurantha munivanum alla" after reading that i felt bad about Anna, periyaar the whole DK, DK,

  
  
  Thats called the Indianised Hypocrisy and unfortunately none of us can be an exception to it
  
  Last week's kumudam's Arasu BadhilgaL had an interesting answer about Gandhi's wife and her unspoken sacrifices. Gandhiyum male chauvinism-ku utpattavar enbathu purinthathu athai padikkumpOthu. It was a an excerpt from a book (forgot the name and author ). I felt a lump on my throat when I read it. antha puthagathai muzhumaiyAga padikka vEndum enRu thOnRiyathu. Will try to get it somehow.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 2:41:01 2007.

  joe wrote:

  இங்கு மரபுகளை உடைப்பதும் ,தள்ளி விடப்பட்டுள்ள கிணற்றுக்கு வெளியே தப்பி செல்ல நினைப்பதும் பாவம் .அங்கேயே சமத்தா இருந்தா நல்லவர் ,வல்லவர்-ன்னு பேர் வாங்கலாம் .

  
  
  samaatthAga iruppavargaLai vida - ulagathukku pOli mugathai kAttum palarE ingE nallavar, vallavaer ena pOtra padugiRaargaL.
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 12 2:41:27 2007.

  Roshan,
  Ithai konjam padinga
  http://blog.nandhaonline.com/?p=16
  
  

• From: smith1 on Thu Jul 12 2:52:20 2007.

  Regarding the flopping of Hey ram, there are many reasons apart from that mentioned :
  
  1. People here do not identify much with gandhi & his ideologies.
  2. Many languages spoken in the film.
  3. Length of the film.
  4. Excessive kissing scenes.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 3:16:13 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Roshan, Ithai konjam padinga http://blog.nandhaonline.com/?p=16

  
  
  Thanks That was a good and useful write up.
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Thu Jul 12 3:37:55 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  joe wrote: Roshan, Ithai konjam padinga http://blog.nandhaonline.com/?p=16 Thanks That was a good and useful write up.

  
  
  I too read this article.. Excellent.. Thanks for the link...
  
  

• From: kannannn on Thu Jul 12 5:35:24 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  are we confusing between truth and opinion??

  
  The only thing we can be certain of is the number of casualties (adhuvum sandhegam dhaan). Why it happened is not clear. It will never be and that is where interpretations and 'beliefs' come in. As PR put it, everyone believes he/she is right. Saket Ram's realisation is not that of truth but the best way forward. Note the way the movie ends: with a shot of photos from Aparna to Abhyankar. In other words they also show the changing 'perceptions' of truth.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  In terms of selecting the 'best' truth, the movie moved still did not move towards a simple acceptance of Gandhi, the man, as the 'only' one. Doesn't it seem bull-headed and seem like the vocabulary of a fanatic when Gandhi says " I will only listen to the voice within me" ?

  
  "Gandhiya suththi moonu vidhamana kurangugal irukku.. "
  
  

  Joe wrote:

  ஹேராம் ஏன் வெற்றி அடையவில்லை என இப்போது புரிகிறது . பாடப்புத்தகத்தில் 'அசோகர் மரங்களை நட்டார்' ,"காந்தி இந்தியாவுக்கு சுதந்திரம் வாங்கித் தந்தார்" என்ற ரீதியில் சொல்லிக்கொடுக்கப்பட்ட வரலாறுகளையும் பலரைப்பற்றி ஏற்படுத்தபட்ட புனித பிம்பங்களையும் தாண்டிய பார்வையும் ,சுய தேடலும் இல்லாத பெரும்பான்மையோர் நிறைந்த சமுதாயத்தில் ,மிஞ்சியுள்ள ஒரு சிலரும் சினிமாவை விட்டு எட்டி நிறபதே அறிவு ஜீவித்தனம் என்று நினைக்கிற நாட்டில் ஹேராம் வெற்றி பெறுவதென்பது குதிரைக்கொம்பு தான்.

  
  I first saw the movie in 'Kino' theater, Bangalore. What started as euphoria when Kamal appeared on screen at the escavation dig, soon turned into absolute silence and by the time Kamal was caught in the mayhem at Old Delhi, people were talking to each other in rather loud voices .
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 12 5:49:08 2007.

  http://masivakumar.blogspot.com/2007/06/blog-post_24.html#comment-4545606083461023799
  
  "ஹே ராம் என்றொரு திரைப்படம். அதில் கடைசி காட்சியில் காந்தியின் படம் மிகப் பெரிதாக தீட்டப் பட்டிருக்கும் சுவரில், ஒவ்வொரு ஜன்னலாக திறப்பார் சாகேத் ராமின் பேரன். எல்லா ஜன்னல்களும் திறக்கப்பட்ட பின்னர் அந்த சுவரில் படம் இருக்காது. முழு வெளிச்சம் மட்டுமே."
  
  aandavaa, en ippdi vilayaadura?? nee enna thaan solla varra ??
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Jul 12 6:47:43 2007.

  What's the use? All these schmucks who suffer from ADD, would blame the 'filmmaker' and pass it off as 'boring'! All they need is a film with few punj dialaks, 5 songs (or more), 1 koothu song, Hero vs Villain storyline, romance, sentiment, routine melodrama, etc..etc.. (nothing wrong if the 'treatment' is 'entertaining' but then, when people find some bullcrap to be 'entertaining', I don't know what to say about them!
  
  

• From: Nerd on Thu Jul 12 10:55:30 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  What's the use? All these schmucks who suffer from ADD, would blame the 'filmmaker' and pass it off as 'boring'! All they need is a film with few punj dialaks, 5 songs (or more), 1 koothu song, Hero vs Villain storyline, romance, sentiment, routine melodrama, etc..etc.. (nothing wrong if the 'treatment' is 'entertaining' but then, when people find some bullcrap to be 'entertaining', I don't know what to say about them!

  
  I dont get it! I thought you guys will say a few good things about hey raam, which incidentally is one of my most fav movies. But whats happening here is the exact opposite. Bringing down other movies and blaming moviegoers, huh
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Jul 12 11:02:34 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: What's the use? All these schmucks who suffer from ADD, would blame the 'filmmaker' and pass it off as 'boring'! All they need is a film with few punj dialaks, 5 songs (or more), 1 koothu song, Hero vs Villain storyline, romance, sentiment, routine melodrama, etc..etc.. (nothing wrong if the 'treatment' is 'entertaining' but then, when people find some bullcrap to be 'entertaining', I don't know what to say about them! I dont get it! I thought you guys will say a few good things about hey raam, which incidentally is one of my most fav movies. But whats happening here is the exact opposite. Bringing down other movies and blaming moviegoers, huh

  
  
  Adhuvum correctu thaan. But, Kannannn touched upon 'Hey Ram theatre experience' and Joe spoke on how bad moviegoers are! Maybe I should have avoided what I just did. Sorry about that. I'm a little ticked off about the state of Thamizh cinema.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jul 12 12:55:27 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Last week's kumudam's Arasu BadhilgaL had an interesting answer about Gandhi's wife and her unspoken sacrifices. Gandhiyum male chauvinism-ku utpattavar enbathu purinthathu athai padikkumpOthu.

  
  Try Shyam Benegal's film: 'Making of the Mahatma'.
  
  It is about Gandhi's life in Africa. His process of transition from a barrister to a social activist to his return to India. In his move towards asceticism you can see the tensions bare between Mohandas (Rajit Kapur) and Kasturba (Pallavi Joshi). Great performances. If I'm right Rajit Kapur got the National Award that year.
  
  For Hey Ram, the multilingual story was always going to struggle to find an audience. Without knowing English it was going to be difficult to appreciate the film. He had tried his best in getting valid stories for most of the folks to speak Tamil (the MCC boys, Rani's lisp, Tanjavur Maratha etc.) but even eventually falls short somehere. With the Maharaja and with Gandhi etc. But thank god he kept it that way. It would have been looney to have them talk Tamil. I think that is the major reason for the movie's lack of reach. It is a reason that may not strike most of us.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Jul 12 13:43:25 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Try Shyam Benegal's film: 'Making of the Mahatma'.

  
  
  inga athellAm kidaippathu kuthirai kombo PR I have to get it from India only. Thanks for the info
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 14:44:18 2007.

  Another silly punch from VV...
  
  Kamal: Yenga naan police (or something like that)...
  
  Beggar: Ippo thaanae vangittu ponaanga! Maripadiyum?
  
  Kamal: Unga kitta irunthumaa?
  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 14:48:13 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Another silly punch from VV... Kamal: Yenga naan police (or something like that)... Beggar: Ippo thaanae vangittu ponaanga! Maripadiyum? Kamal: Unga kitta irunthumaa?

  
  
  Yes Bay !! beauty is - romba casual-a irukkum antha conversation. Even when KH inquires the begger whether the vehicle which took Rani was a car or van - casual and natural.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 14:49:56 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Yes Bay !! beauty is - romba casual-a irukkum antha conversation. Even when KH inquires the begger whether the vehicle which took Rani was a car or van - casual and natural.

  
  
  Kamal: Inga rendu naalaiku munnaadi, oru Maruti van-a paatheengala?
  
  Beggar: Van-naa?
  
  Kamal: Athaanga, intha kadavu ippadi thorakkumae!
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 14:52:14 2007.

  A serious one...
  
  Kamal: Avaroda kadaisi kaariyathaiyaavathu avanga mata muraipadi Olunga pannanum Sir! Atleast, I owe him this much... Actually, I owe him a lot!
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:02:23 2007.

  The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills.
  
  "Chinna Pasengala yaaru kitta da vilayadareenga!"
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:05:34 2007.

  Hey Bay !! Looks like you remember the entire dialogues Aama antha scene-um nice one. Then when he analyses and discusses about the connection of Rani's and her parent's murder - with his boss.
  
  When he proposes to Jo at the airport and expresses that he'd take care of her and her daughter Maya well. "Kayal sAgumpOthu avaLukku anju maasam. Antha kozhanthaiyA Maya iruppa, naan avalUkku oru nalla appAvA iruppEn and... namma reNdu pErukkum ava orE magaLA iruppa
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Jul 13 15:06:23 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills. "Chinna Pasengala yaaru kitta da vilayadareenga!"

  
  
  Yeah. But if he performs in an intense role, people would nitpick, 'konjam over-acting illa' VV is just another testament that a great actor like Kamal can pull out a subdued role with ease, unlike a few other regional actors, who can do that WONLY
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:11:42 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  VV is just another testament that a great actor like Kamal can pull out a subdued role with ease, unlike a few other regional actors, who can do that WONLY

  
  I second that statement!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:13:36 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills.

  
  
  I disagree. It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:14:19 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Hey Bay !! Looks like you remember the entire dialogues Aama antha scene-um nice one. Then when he analyses and discusses about the connection of Rani's and her parent's murder - with his boss. When he proposes to Jo at the airport and expresses that he'd take care of her and her daughter Maya well. "Kayal sAgumpOthu avaLukku anju maasam. Antha kozhanthaiyA Maya iruppa, naan avalUkku oru nalla appAvA iruppEn and... namma reNdu pErukkum ava orE magaLA iruppa

  
  
  Kamal: Unna pudichirukku-nu sonnaaa??
  
  Jo:
  
  Kamal: Sorry....
  
  Jo: Ivlo therincha ungalukku, sela vishayangala sollaama irukarthu-thaan nallathu-nu theriyalayaa?
  
  Kamal:
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Jul 13 15:15:56 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Movie Cop wrote: The whole thing about VV was it was a "walk in the park" type of role for a genius actor like KH. KH's performance in the whole movie was very casual in a role that hardly "tests" his acting skills. I disagree. It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan

  
  
  Yep. Movie cop would agree to it He said, for an actor like Kamal, it's no big deal.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:16:22 2007.

  Roshan/Bay,
  May fav. dialogues from VV are between KH & Jo. I don't remember the exact dilagoues but they are:
  
  1. Naan Telugu irundhalum ungala kaapathirupen!
  2. Software ukkum enakkum sambandham kidayadhu... Naan full-a hardware!
  
  The way KH delivers those funny dialgoues with a serious, poker face! KH is just briiliant
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:18:31 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Jo: Ivlo therincha ungalukku, sela vishayangala sollaama irukarthu-thaan nallathu-nu theriyalayaa? Kamal: [/i]

  
  
  
  And he nods his head making her feel that he understands her No dialogues but still powerful.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:22:45 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Roshan/Bay, May fav. dialogues from VV are between KH & Jo. I don't remember the exact dilagoues but they are: 1. Naan Telugu irundhalum ungala kaapathirupen! 2. Software ukkum enakkum sambandham kidayadhu... Naan full-a hardware! The way KH delivers those funny dialgoues with a serious, poker face! KH is just briiliant

  
  
  When they get back to the hotel after their first meet ...
  
  
  Jo : unga kooda pEsunathula romba aaruthalA irukku
  
  KH : enkooda pEsura ellArumE ippadithAn solluvaanga
  
  Jo :
  
  ( )
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Jul 13 15:24:31 2007.

  Hmmm....indha padathai poRumaiyA innoru thadavai pAkkaNum pOla irukkE.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 15:26:15 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan

  
  Roshan - I didn't say that it was an easy role to play; just meant it was an easy role for an actor of the calibre of KH. A role like DCP Raghavan could be stretch for other/most actors but not for KH.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Jul 13 15:26:43 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hmmm....indha padathai poRumaiyA innoru thadavai pAkkaNum pOla irukkE.

  
  
  Same pinch
  
  For Kamal, I would
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:29:54 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  A serious one... Kamal: Avaroda kadaisi kaariyathaiyaavathu avanga mata muraipadi Olunga pannanum Sir! Atleast, I owe him this much... Actually, I owe him a lot!

  
  
  intha idathula nAn kuRippA gavanichEn - he will say "avanga nambikkaipadi" not "matha muRaippadi" Anyway Bay - great that you remember so much
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Jul 13 15:32:59 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Roshan wrote: It was an all in all subtle and underplayed performance with great control. Athuvum part of acting skills thAn. Hollywood movies-la ellAm actors casual-A paNNa ahA oHo-nu pugaluvaanga but when an Indian actor does it - it is seen in a different way. Enna kodumai idhu Ragavan Roshan - I didn't say that it was an easy role to play; just meant it was an easy role for an actor of the calibre of KH. A role like DCP Raghavan could be stretch for other/most actors but not for KH.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:51:34 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Roshan/Bay, May fav. dialogues from VV are between KH & Jo. I don't remember the exact dilagoues but they are: 1. Naan Telugu irundhalum ungala kaapathirupen! 2. Software ukkum enakkum sambandham kidayadhu... Naan full-a hardware! The way KH delivers those funny dialgoues with a serious, poker face! KH is just briiliant

  
  
  Kamal: Yean???
  
  Jo: Manirathnam padathula vara maathiri paesureenga! YAEN!
  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:53:16 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Jo: Ivlo therincha ungalukku, sela vishayangala sollaama irukarthu-thaan nallathu-nu theriyalayaa? Kamal: [/i] And he nods his head making her feel that he understands her No dialogues but still powerful.

  
  
  But at that point, Jo's reactions were obviously saying YES! She just doesnt say it openly...
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:54:01 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Hmmm....indha padathai poRumaiyA innoru thadavai pAkkaNum pOla irukkE.

  
  
  I think you should... Remove all the filters if you have any!
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 15:55:24 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: A serious one... Kamal: Avaroda kadaisi kaariyathaiyaavathu avanga mata muraipadi Olunga pannanum Sir! Atleast, I owe him this much... Actually, I owe him a lot! intha idathula nAn kuRippA gavanichEn - he will say "avanga nambikkaipadi" not "matha muRaippadi" Anyway Bay - great that you remember so much

  
  
  Danny: Illlaaaaa, Illllllaaaaaaaa! Nee eppudra avan kitta maatna?
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 16:16:24 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Kamal: Yean??? Jo: Manirathnam padathula vara maathiri paesureenga! YAEN!

  
  That was a funny one too, Bay! One other thing I liked about VV besides KH is that the dialogues were for the most part practical/realistic. Those are the kind of ones normally one would talk in day-to-day life! The only dialogues with cinematic undertones were the scenes involving the villains.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 16:18:47 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  m_23_bayarea wrote: Kamal: Yean??? Jo: Manirathnam padathula vara maathiri paesureenga! YAEN! That was a funny one too, Bay! One other thing I liked about VV besides KH is that the dialogues were for the most part practical/realistic. Those are the kind of ones normally one would talk in day-to-day life! The only dialogues with cinematic undertones were the scenes involving the villains.

  
  
  Yupp! It was very realistic... Though he need not have had such hard time with those two villains (morons)!
  
  They could have shown him a little more heroic, so that I could have been happier! Especially the killing of Danny... Kamal should have RIPPED him apart! Romba easy-aa sethutaan!
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 16:52:13 2007.

  Some more teeny-tiny dialogues from VV!
  
  * Unakku irukura orae vazhi, kambi yenrathu! Unakko Kanakku varaathu... So Vaa Mani, nallaiku kaalaila station-la vanthu surrender aayidu! Thambigalaa, neenga ellam vera vela paathukonga paa!
  
  * Who's this guy, Anderson! He's somewhere out there... I'll get him!
  
  * Avana pudikanum Raagavan! En ponna ipdi pannanrathukaaga naan ipdi sollala! Oru ponna, intha maathiri alongolam pannitu oruthan santhoshama nada maadikittu irukkan!
  
  * Nellai meen kolambu manakkuthu! En veetlayum panraangalae... Pisssssaaaa, Macarooniiii - Enna baasha-nae puriya maatnguthu!
  
  etc etc...
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 19:00:29 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  * Nellai meen kolambu manakkuthu! En veetlayum panraangalae... Pisssssaaaa, Macarooniiii - Enna baasha-nae puriya maatnguthu! etc etc...

  
  Wow! Really good ones Bay! Especially the way KH would pronounce Pizza, Macaroni, Lasagna with a "kindal adichufying" undertone just awesome! If you closely observe his voice modulation even on that simple/casual scene - it is a example/lesson for any young kid on the block aspiring for acting! Looks like you have thoroughly enjoyed VV, Bay!
  
  To me, I liked VV till the first half. Very well made. Detail oriented & mostly fool proof till that point! But the "thriller" aspect of VV was lost the moment GM reveals who the killers are just at the stroke of the interval. Hence the second half got predictable & clichéd once KH the "super cop" hunts down and nail the serial killers like any other movie! Great first half but a tame second half. But the good thing about VV is - Though the second half was cliched it was not amateurish as any regular/run-of-the-mill masala pot boilers. It was still mature film-making in the second half and the movie was slick/well made in execution.
  
  Overall a good attempt from GM except for the fact that he let the cat out of the bag a little too soon thus killing the "thrill" element. I remember giving VV a 3* rating, in my review, with my final verdict reading "Refreshingly chill but no thrill"
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 19:04:53 2007.

  I understand! But if they had to reveal the killers in a thriller/suspense movie only at the climax, then they'd also have to have them as some moving characters in the main stream itself throughout! In this case, they needed the 2nd half to explain why those morons were actually morons, and how the cops trace them! It definitely dint look like a masala at any point to me!
  
  A classy movie that looked like a masala at the climax was GHAJINI though!
  
  Thanks for reminding me of LACCHHAANIYAAA!
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 19:19:07 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  I understand! But if they had to reveal the killers in a thriller/suspense movie only at the climax, then they'd also have to have them as some moving characters in the main stream itself throughout! In this case, they needed the 2nd half to explain why those morons were actually morons, and how the cops trace them! It definitely dint look like a masala at any point to me!

  
  But the problem here is in VV despite revealing the serial killers at the half way point, GM didn't clearly explain the psyche of the serial killers. To me, broadly, 2 kinds of movies can be made out of a "serial killer” movie.
  
  Category A: A pure thriller without getting into the psyche of the killers or analyzing the motives. Just keep the audience guessing on who the killer is and identifying them in the end with a complete element of surprise.
  Category B: A case study movie where you reveal the psyche of the serial killers and understand the motives behind the killings thus sprinkling the elements of thrill here & there.
  
  But VV neither provided the thrill (category A) nor revealed the real psyche (Category B) of the serial killers! That was my main disappointment!
  Nevertheless I agree with you that it's still a good movie!
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Jul 13 19:24:11 2007.

  If you try to analyze the motives behind their killings, here are some....
  
  * We should be the best Doctors in this world! Intha olagathulla saavae iruka koodaathu!
  
  * Chinna vayasulirunthae, rathatha paatha oru eerpu!
  
  * Antha jail-la annikku night, antha maathiri avan pannirka koodaathu! I dont like ppl like that!
  
  No connection at all bet the three...
  
  But even then, why do they rape and execute only gals, and that too when they're GAY?
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri Jul 13 19:29:22 2007.

  Exactly! There was no consistency/connection on what those 2 kids were talking about throughout the movie, unfortunately!
  
  

• From: thamiz on Fri Jul 13 21:25:36 2007.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Exactly! There was no consistency/connection on what those 2 kids were talking about throughout the movie, unfortunately!

  
  
  That's unfortunate
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Fri Jul 13 21:48:39 2007.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3478205360792460998&q=Virumaandi&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4
  
  Virumaandi
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sat Jul 14 1:53:13 2007.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Some more teeny-tiny dialogues from VV! * Unakku irukura orae vazhi, kambi yenrathu! Unakko Kanakku varaathu... So Vaa Mani, nallaiku kaalaila station-la vanthu surrender aayidu! Thambigalaa, neenga ellam vera vela paathukonga paa! * Who's this guy, Anderson! He's somewhere out there... I'll get him! * Avana pudikanum Raagavan! En ponna ipdi pannanrathukaaga naan ipdi sollala! Oru ponna, intha maathiri alongolam pannitu oruthan santhoshama nada maadikittu irukkan! * Nellai meen kolambu manakkuthu! En veetlayum panraangalae... Pisssssaaaa, Macarooniiii - Enna baasha-nae puriya maatnguthu! etc etc...

  
  
  Yes voice modulation nallA irukkum and as Movie Cop said the way he pronounces Pissssa., Macarroooni etc Actually the dialogue goes like this... "Mrs Arokyaraj, meen kozhambu kolluthu... nellaiya adddddichukka mudiyAthu..
  
  .... Pisssssaaa, Macaroni... thitturALA menu solrALA-nE theriyala
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sat Jul 14 5:47:58 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3478205360792460998&q=Virumaandi&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4 Virumaandi

  
  Awesome !
  From nowhere VirumAndi springs from apparent obscenity to brutal logic.
  What an intro ! (I consider this too to be an intro)
  
  Watch out for the expression after he thumps the table. Killer !
  
  payamnA ennannu unga ellArukkumnu theriyumnu theriyudhu.......adhu theriyAdhungradhu dhAn en kuththam.......Ei..viLakka amuthuyyA...edukkAdhendranle
  
  
  Awesome lines throughout ! No quoatable , quotes just straight virumAndispeak.
  
  His memories run back for a while, with filmy eyes. A vulnerable vacant stare. And then as he recounts his days his voice and expressions are exactly like someone reliving his days as he recounts them.
  
  
  _________
  On of those hanging lines I am chewing on till date: "naama ellA(ru)mE karuvi dhaen"
  
  

• From: NOV on Sat Jul 14 8:57:52 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  From nowhere VirumAndi springs from apparent obscenity to brutal logic. What an intro ! (I consider this too to be an intro)

  what a coincidence. i just finished watching the movie.
  
  excellent film, tho the normal filmgoer may find it a little dry. to make it even better, the intro (song etc) should have been avoided. then it would have been serious film making. also the songs were just too many. would have been happy with just unnai vida. also were the smooching scenes necessary?
  
  other than these three things, virumandi is an excellent film.
  i'll be happy if kamal gives these kind of movies between his janaranjaga (ie money making) films.
  
  yeah, kamal is just par excellence, no doubt.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Jul 15 6:45:20 2007.

  NOV,
  
  i dunno why some people are intent on posting negatively (BO perspective) on movies that made good amount of money.. is virumandi not a money making movie?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Jul 15 8:11:49 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  to make it even better, the intro (song etc) should have been avoided. then it would have been serious film making. also the songs were just too many. would have been happy with just unnai vida.

  Disagree NOV. Every single song sets the mood, buries us in the locale and takes the story forward. After Kombule Poovai Chutthi you feel like you have known Virumaandi for a long time. But it's been just 10 mins ! Andha KaanDAmaNi sets up the metaphor to be used again and again later in the film. Thanks for small mercies reg. Unnai vida Look at the VirumANdi-Annaluchchumi relationship before and after the saNdiyarE song. The whole development of their story is packed into those 5 minutes.

  NOV wrote:

  also were the smooching scenes necessary?

  Much less 'unnecessary' than the highly imaginative visual of one flower leaning on the other.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 10:07:53 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  is virumandi not a money making movie?

  no idea DM.
  if it was a BO, then definitely good for tamil cinema and he should continue making these kind of thought-provoking films.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 10:12:21 2007.

  PR its ok, i am just nitpicking. however, the story telling was indeed slowed down by the songs.
  
  dialogues
  mannikiravan manushan, mannippu kEkkaravan periya manushan.
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Jul 15 11:18:17 2007.

  NOV,
  No wonder KL-la inniku sema mazhai.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 11:24:06 2007.

  as usual joe, neenga enna solla vareenganu enakku puriyala.
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Jul 15 11:27:14 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  as usual joe, neenga enna solla vareenganu enakku puriyala.

  
  
  Thideernnu kamal & kamal padaththai romba pugazhureengale..athu thaan .just kidding ..I was in KL this afternoon.
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Jul 15 11:31:41 2007.

  sorry joe, you will never understand me (solli puriya vaippatharkkum enakku thiramai illai).
  
  and you didnt even bother to contact me when you were in KL
  
  

• From: thamiz on Sun Jul 15 12:46:10 2007.

  joe wrote:

  as usual joe, neenga enna solla vareenganu enakku puriyala.

  
  
  I believe the latest development is that encourage +ve criticism. There will be serious action against anti-dasa fans in the near future!
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jul 19 1:29:48 2007.

  எத்தனையோ காட்சிகள் நம் மனதை மயக்குவதாக இருக்கலாம் .ஆனால் இதைப் போல என்னை உணர்ச்சிவசப்பட வைத்த காட்சி எதுவுமில்லை.
  
  நடிப்புலகின் தலைமகனும் அவர் கலையுல வாரிசு கலைஞானியும் இங்கே நடிப்புக்கு இலக்கணம் வகுக்கிறார்கள் .
  
  நடிகர் திலகம் கமல்ஹாசனைப் பார்த்து "உங்களைத் தானே நம்பியிருக்கோம்" - என்று சொல்லும் போது அதில் ஆயிரம் அர்த்தங்கள் பொதிந்திருக்கிறது .
  
  எத்தனை முறை பார்த்தாலும் கண்களில் நீர் கோர்க்க வைக்கும் காட்சி...
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajOWloDcwM
  
  தமிழ் திரையுலக வரலாற்றின் மிகச்சிறந்த காட்சிகளில் ஒன்று.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Jul 19 1:37:22 2007.

  joe wrote:

  நடிகர் திலகம் கமல்ஹாசனைப் பார்த்து "உங்களைத் தானே நம்பியிருக்கோம்" - என்று சொல்லும் போது அதில் ஆயிரம் அர்த்தங்கள் பொதிந்திருக்கிறது .

  
  
  
  NT's (2nd) intro scene where he welcomes Aandavar and Gauthami Anni - Hardly any dialogue. Just some stares. No extreme closeup shots.
  Still, we know exactly what he is thinking!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 19 2:34:06 2007.

  Joe, aandavar always writes within the scope of the film and 'indirect' punches are mostly avoided. Yes, there are many subtle meaning in that scentence, but he says very next "Ungala vitta vera yaaru irukka intha veetla"......
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 19 2:36:45 2007.

  Recently saw nayagan again, the last time i saw was when i was scholing, avlo maturity of understanding the world wasnt there, esp a fil like nayagan...
  
  Now after copying the vcd and veiwing multiple times, i really wonder, what al these recent rowdy\dada\don\gangster movies have new in them, which wasn't there in nayagan......
  
  I rate nayagan too high than Heyraam, or any other kamal movie. The next one would be Devar Magan!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Jul 19 2:51:09 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  I rate nayagan too high than Heyraam, or any other kamal movie. The next one would be Devar Magan!

  Perhaps in terms of Kamal's performance. Even Kamal has struggled to provide a canvas for himself like Nayagan.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jul 19 4:21:40 2007.

  Apart from kamal's performance, In terms of story telling, and other factors too Nayagan looked too good comparing with the trend that time...well devar magan was not a trend setter or Hey raam is not intended to be, but Nayagan formes the crux base for many stories coming now[Don based]
  
  And the simplicity too plays beautiful....so its a movie for all and not like Hey Raam or even Devar magan......
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Fri Jul 20 19:27:12 2007.

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8
  
  ba ba ba ...ba ba ba re
  
  

• From: RajaRam on Wed Jul 25 10:15:36 2007.

  Quote:

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8

  
  கலக்கல் பாடல்.
  
  விசில் சத்தத்தில் தியெட்டர் குலுங்கியது.
  
  

• From: smith1 on Wed Jul 25 10:29:28 2007.

  In terms of acting, I would rate "Nayakan, Guna & Anbe Sivam" as three of kamal's best performances.
  
  In terms of screenplay, it would be undoubtedly sagara sangamam. Kamal himself said so.
  
  In terms of direction, it will be Hey Ram, Mahanadhi & a few others.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Jul 25 10:44:09 2007.

  RajaRam wrote:

  Quote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8 கலக்கல் பாடல். விசில் சத்தத்தில் தியெட்டர் குலுங்கியது.

  
  
  And how convincing he is
  
  

• From: madhus369 on Wed Jul 25 11:07:28 2007.

  It is easy to forget the old(er) movies when it comes to rating the top 10 performances etc. But, as far as Kamal is concerned, his performance as the scarred individual in 'Anbe Sivam' is head and shoulders above the rest.
  
  It might be sacrilege to some fans. But I think 'Sivam' was way ahead of Nayagan and even Devar Magan. In spite of average production values and average direction, with not very talented costars (Kiran ), 'Sivam' made everyone seriously follow his ideology and sympathise with it. A true actor's achievement is to hold fort when things around him are average or mediocre.
  
  'Anbe Sivam' was one such instance.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Jul 25 11:08:07 2007.

  RajaRam wrote:

  Quote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xc1PJq1g1w8 கலக்கல் பாடல். விசில் சத்தத்தில் தியெட்டர் குலுங்கியது.

  
  
  
  
  AS came when i was 10 i think. My parents take us(me and my bro) to movie once in 2 weeks or so. This was the first movie they took us for the second time too
  
  One Unique record of AS:
  The first movie Thirumaran saw for the second time in theater
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Jul 25 11:42:38 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  The first movie Thirumaran saw for the second time in theater

  
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Aug 23 2:11:54 2007.

  kuruthippunal - none
  indian - Thatha comes in TV
  Avvai - hero is interviewed by crazy mohan in TV
  Hey raam - none
  Tenali - Again interview to Raj TV
  Aalavanthan - heroine is Star TV Journalist
  PKS - none
  Panchathantiram - none
  Anbe Sivam - Maddy is AD fim maker and his TV Ad is shown
  Virumaandi - the movie starts with, media persons entering into jail for interviews, in climax, the whole jail scene is shown in News, the very end debate is live on TV, as the film ends
  Vasoolraja - none
  MX - none
  VV - kamal, hurt and injured, shown in TV
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Thu Aug 23 3:32:56 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  kuruthippunal - none indian - Thatha comes in TV Avvai - hero is interviewed by crazy mohan in TV Hey raam - none Tenali - Again interview to Raj TV Aalavanthan - heroine is Star TV Journalist PKS - none Panchathantiram - none Anbe Sivam - Maddy is AD fim maker and his TV Ad is shown Virumaandi - the movie starts with, media persons entering into jail for interviews, in climax, the whole jail scene is shown in News, the very end debate is live on TV, as the film ends Vasoolraja - none MX - none VV - kamal, hurt and injured, shown in TV

  
  
  Ippa ethukku intha aaraaichi
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Aug 23 3:57:57 2007.

  impact of media!
  
  

• From: omega on Thu Aug 23 7:25:47 2007.

  joe wrote:

  எத்தனையோ காட்சிகள் நம் மனதை மயக்குவதாக இருக்கலாம் .ஆனால் இதைப் போல என்னை உணர்ச்சிவசப்பட வைத்த காட்சி எதுவுமில்லை. நடிப்புலகின் தலைமகனும் அவர் கலையுல வாரிசு கலைஞானியும் இங்கே நடிப்புக்கு இலக்கணம் வகுக்கிறார்கள் . நடிகர் திலகம் கமல்ஹாசனைப் பார்த்து "உங்களைத் தானே நம்பியிருக்கோம்" - என்று சொல்லும் போது அதில் ஆயிரம் அர்த்தங்கள் பொதிந்திருக்கிறது . எத்தனை முறை பார்த்தாலும் கண்களில் நீர் கோர்க்க வைக்கும் காட்சி... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajOWloDcwM தமிழ் திரையுலக வரலாற்றின் மிகச்சிறந்த காட்சிகளில் ஒன்று.

  
  
  This is my all time favourite scene without any doubt & will ever be...Among all KH movies I would rate Dever Magan as the best as it had everything in it for everyone. One of the rare movies where everyone did their part to perfection....I still can't forget Nassar provoking NT in the panchayat scene.....Pakka villainism.....
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Aug 24 0:33:06 2007.

  ViLayum Payir muLayile theriyum
  
  
  http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m88/tfmlover1/VR%20Vintage/?action=view&current=Sonnathellaam.flv
  
  Thanks: tfmlover
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 2:54:22 2007.

  An interesting question IMO, posted in Orkut by a fan called Arun
  
  

  Quote:

  a doubt from a scene in virumaandi the scene :- when kamal goes to meet pasupathy, pasupathy will be shaving his armpits andha scene la kamal : "enna pesureenga neenga, onga kooda kootaali ya onnukulla onna irukalaamnu vandhaa...." pasupathy : "kootali yaa....en kooda vaa.....yedhukku" kamal : " pinna, annalakshmi dhaan nethu yen usura kaapathichu " for that pasupathy's reaction would turn into ANGER.....he wud shout "annalakshmi annalakshmi.....".....then abhirami will also come and try to justify what she had done is not wrong....... this is what i don't understand.......though pasupathy shud get angry according to the script, he wasn't supposed to show his displeasure at kamal's survival by shouting angrily.....and even kamal is unbothered as to why pasupathy is shouting..... did i understand the scene wrong ????? or is there a mistake ???

  
  
  4-um therinja hubber yAravadhu aiyyappAttai thIthu vechA nallA irukkum
  
  1) One possibility is PP may trying to pass of his anger as a result of Annalachumi not telling him that earlier but Arun counters:
  

  Quote:

  annalakshmi says... kazhudhayo naaikuttiyo manushano....kuthiyurum kolayirum aa kadakayilae...paathutu summa va irukka mduiyum... what does this mean ????? this implies that pasupathy publicly displayed his anger only because kamal was alive and not because annalakshmi didn't tell it to him

  
  
  2) One more possibility is that though PP may try to pass his anger off as a concern of "Annalachumi, why didn't you tell me before", because she sees the "ko" in the aruva, she sees through his veneer (which PP doesn't know) and blurts out the rather honest/unexpected lines - if she hadn't known that PP is the culprit, she would have told PP earlier, and since she knows she obviously didn't tell him earlier and ends up justifying why she *saved* him.... However, that doesn't explain why Aandavar doesn't find it odd...
  
  Virumaandi asks: "enna, chollaliya?"
  Annam says: "paathutu summa va irukka mudiyeen"
  
  PP puts a mask Q: "Why didn't you tell me earlier?"
  Virumaandi too thinks thats why PP is angry
  but Annalachumi exaplains why she *saves* him (unwittingly exposing really why PP is angry) and yet Virumaandi is not alarmed...
  
  Probably the whole point was to show how naive he is...
  
  P.S: Sorry if anything obvious is being missed
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 3:03:33 2007.

  One more:
  I think PR raised this question:
  
  Can anyone elaborate on Peikkaman's line "nAma ellArumE karuvinga dhAn" when Rohini is interviewing Virumaandi?
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Aug 24 4:12:41 2007.

  to put it simply, peikaamans anger is that annalakshmi unexpectedly entered into the [crime] plot, which peikan didnt knew b4 virumaandi told him.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 4:17:49 2007.

  Sakala,
  PP = Kothala Thevar
  Inspector = Peikkaman
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 4:28:15 2007.

  Sakala,
  Is that not what is implied by the question "Why didn't you tell me before ?"...
  
  

• From: Corleone on Fri Aug 24 4:41:24 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  to put it simply, peikaamans anger is that annalakshmi unexpectedly entered into the [crime] plot, which peikan didnt knew b4 virumaandi told him.

  
  
  If u replace peikaaman with PP, then this looks like a good explanation for that question.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Aug 24 7:40:29 2007.

  CR, its as usual my fing-slip! mistake as colorone pointed out. and i re-stated it to just simply put in one word.....
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 24 11:52:26 2007.

  Largely agree with youur reading CR
  
  KothAlan is of course unhappy that his Virumaandi didn't die. So his immediate reaction is anger when he learns that Annalachumi was instrumental in saving him. He most definitely has an opinion that the girl is too smart for her own good. And there is a good chance that Virumaandi was behind that door when he spoke to her asking her to "be safe" on that night. (which is one of those twice shown scenes). So this means that she quite actively hid information from him, which means that she has quite correctly guessed that he is not what he seems. Anger at multiple levels.
  
  And anyway this is show of anger is justified as parent chiding his daughter for having a male acquaintance.

  Quote:

  kazhudhayo naaikuttiyo manushano....kuthiyurum kolayirum aa kadakayilae...paathutu summa va irukka mduiyum...

  This is Annalachumi downplaying it. That it wasn't as if they were hanging out together, just that he was in need and she helped. And that he means nothing to her.
  
  
  Of course, later he sees the blooming relationship to be advantageous. But at some level he is uncomfortable about their closeness. Watch out for Pasupathi's expression when Kamal is washing hands before the meal. You can't get a more tentative, subdued-anger expression than that. Perhaps he is not as happy about the relationship as he has managed to present to the world.
  
  PeykkAman's line still remains on the table.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 12:49:05 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  And anyway this is show of anger is justified as parent chiding his daughter for having a male acquaintance. Quote: kazhudhayo naaikuttiyo manushano....kuthiyurum kolayirum aa kadakayilae...paathutu summa va irukka mduiyum... This is Annalachumi downplaying it. That it wasn't as if they were hanging out together, just that he was in need and she helped. And that he means nothing to her.

  
  So, you mean, even if he doesn't *say* anything, both Annam and Virumaandi "think" that kothALan is angry because of the "Annam-pazhagufying-with-Viruman" angle? mmm possible, but light-a doubt-a irukku..
  
  Let me put this in another way:
  From Viruman's POV, he is in the dark about Kothalan's real motives. So, when he says "nAma oNNUkuLLa oNNu AittOm" etc, would he have expected Kothalan's reaction, even though he knows Kothalan is not going to agree straight away? It would appear to be too strong and too quick/spontaneous a reaction for a fatherly/brotherly anger - from Viruman's POV, that is
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 24 13:38:08 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  It appears to be too strong and too quick/spontaneous reaction for a fatherly/brotherly anger.

  
  The source of his anger is elsewhere but his outburst is acceptable even for the ostensible reason.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  So, you mean, even if he doesn't *say* anything, both Annam and Virumaandi "think" that kothALan is angry because of the "Annam-pazhagufying-with-Viruman" angle?

  perhaps not Annalachumi. She is most probably playing along keeping-up-appearances.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 13:48:34 2007.

  Thanks PR
  Orkut-la post panren
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 24 14:12:46 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Thanks PR Orkut-la post panren

  EdhO nammAl aana thoNdu. Trust you post about "karuvi" when some light is thrown on that.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Aug 24 14:20:35 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Trust you post about "karuvi" when some light is thrown on that.

  
  Kandippa
  
  

• From: kannannn on Sun Aug 26 18:29:23 2007.

  May be I am late, but this is what I think..
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: It appears to be too strong and too quick/spontaneous reaction for a fatherly/brotherly anger. The source of his anger is elsewhere but his outburst is acceptable even for the ostensible reason.

  
  He clearly says during the narration of the episode to Rohini "Ariyaadha ponnu, avanoda vasiyathula vizhunthuduvalonnu bayam. Annikke avana konnirukkanum.."
  
  (A goof-up: look at the camera placement in the initial scenes involving Kamal and Rohini. It changes between shots.)
  
  Even before he he beckons Annalatchumi, he lets show his distrust/mistrust of Virumaandi, when Virumaandi offers his land. So, neither are completely comfortable with the other.
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Can anyone elaborate on Peikkaman's line "nAma ellArumE karuvinga dhAn" when Rohini is interviewing Virumaandi?

  
  
  Peykaaman's is one of the best secondary characterisations in recent times. That 'Karuvi' line is absolutely in keeping with his nature. He is treacherous and double crossing, but at the same time apologetic. He tends to change his allegiance at the drop of the hat ('Unakku Kothaladevan'a tharen' during the riot). So, when he says 'Enna paarkura, naame ellarume karuvidhaan', he is being apologetic, as if trying to explain that he was just carrying out some one else's orders. Who knows when he will require Virumaandi's help again (which he does)!!
  
  I think Peykaaman-like characters are recurring in Kamal's movies. Think Govardhan in 'Hey Ram' and Hanifa in 'Mahanadi'. These characters also tend to be disgusting, with obvious references to their pimp like qualities. Kamal's tussle with these characters are secondary, but nonetheless important (beautifully implied in 'Viru.. virumaandi' song through the lines 'Peykaamanai adakki vaitha Virumaandi')
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Aug 29 0:39:28 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Peykaaman's is one of the best secondary characterisations in recent times. That 'Karuvi' line is absolutely in keeping with his nature. He is treacherous and double crossing, but at the same time apologetic. He tends to change his allegiance at the drop of the hat ('Unakku Kothaladevan'a tharen' during the riot). So, when he says 'Enna paarkura, naame ellarume karuvidhaan', he is being apologetic, as if trying to explain that he was just carrying out some one else's orders. Who knows when he will require Virumaandi's help again (which he does)!! I think Peykaaman-like characters are recurring in Kamal's movies. Think Govardhan in 'Hey Ram' and Hanifa in 'Mahanadi'. These characters also tend to be disgusting, with obvious references to their pimp like qualities. Kamal's tussle with these characters are secondary, but nonetheless important (beautifully implied in 'Viru.. virumaandi' song through the lines 'Peykaamanai adakki vaitha Virumaandi')

  
  Makes sense...
  He was also probably reiterating Kondarasu's line "Kothalathevarukku aripedutha sorinjikka payanpaduthara karuvi nee" which he says in the Panchayat. Maybe that explains the catch phrase "nAma ellArumE". Interesting he says this in the presence of others, including Rohini. A veiled statement indicating "we both know, but you are also like me"?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Aug 31 3:43:03 2007.

  Nice observations kannan and CR.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Sep 3 8:28:31 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  He was also probably reiterating Kondarasu's line "Kothalathevarukku aripedutha sorinjikka payanpaduthara karuvi nee" which he says in the Panchayat. Maybe that explains the catch phrase "nAma ellArumE". Interesting he says this in the presence of others, including Rohini. A veiled statement indicating "we both know, but you are also like me"?

  
  Exactly!! It seems like a private conversation, a coded message only they could understand..
  
  BTW, was live dubbing used in Virumandi? Most scenes in prison seemed to have live dubbing. Wonder if that was on purpose, considering that steady cam was also used extensively for those scenes. Perhaps, a documentary effect was intended (just as Rohini would see them)..?!
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Mon Sep 3 10:09:51 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  BTW, was live dubbing used in Virumandi? Most scenes in prison seemed to have live dubbing. Wonder if that was on purpose, considering that steady cam was also used extensively for those scenes. Perhaps, a documentary effect was intended (just as Rohini would see them)..?!

  
  
  The whole movie had live recording only, not just the prison scenes.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 5:59:06 2007.

  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-08-28T02%3A18%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=2
  
  

  Quote:

  My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose.

  WOW! WOW! summava sonnaanga sinthanai selvarnnu
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 6:03:46 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-08-28T02%3A18%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=2 Quote: My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose. WOW! WOW! summava sonnaanga sinthanai selvarnnu

  
  Superb
  
  Sakala,
  
  
  *uck! What an interview
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 6:19:03 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-08-28T02%3A18%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=2 Quote: My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose. WOW! WOW! summava sonnaanga sinthanai selvarnnu

  
  
  [tscii]Part I of a two-part interview by S Shiva Kumar:
  
  It is as if he is conserving all his energy, emotions and expressions. It is as if he is always waiting for that magical command, 'Action'. That's when the body undulates and the eyes light up. That's when the actor transforms into the character.
  
  Meet Kamal Hassan, the master of masquerade.
  
  He has come along way. He has traversed the length and breadth of the land, breaking linguistic barriers and leaving audiences incredulous at his repertoire and his seemingly inexhaustible bag of tricks. He has seen it all.
  
  His careergraph, as a stock market analyst would put it, is full of higher tops and lower bottoms. But the fundamentals are strong. He is the trapeze artiste who walks the tight rope between art and commerce. He has faltered but never fallen.
  
  The press has fawned and frowned upon him depending on their personal equation with the man. Like the well-known critic who would rate any Kamal Hassan film as a classic till a personal spat. After that, Hey! Ram was an exercise in self-indulgence and Govinda was suddenly a better actor.
  
  As an actor, there's none to match him in contemporary Indian cinema save Mohanlal, to a certain extent. It's not as if Kamal is incapable of bad performances. He has hammed in most of his Hindi films, including Saagar.
  
  Even in his latest release, Thenali, his performance is theatrical. His problem is that audiences yearn for something different and spectacular each time he appears on screen.
  
  That is the kind of unique niche he has carved for himself, unlike superstars like Amitabh and Rajnikant, who are prisoners of their images and whose fans will not tolerate variety.
  
  I meet Kamal at his office on a day when he seems relaxed. He is dressed in jeans and a tight black T-shirt that shows off his newly developed pectorals and biceps that even Popeye would envy. His face shows sings of ageing, but his body is fit and his mind as sharp as ever.
  
  Part I of a two-part interview by S Shiva Kumar:
  
  Do you feel, as an actor, you've reached your peak?
  
  No. I thought I had crossed the peak, and after that, it was all going to be a race downhill.
  
  So, I was thinking how I should stop the momentum and all my efforts were concentrated towards stopping the momentum and not to rise. Now, I don't know again. So it seems to be an undulated terrain. You can't call anything a peak as such.
  
  Whenever I ask myself what stage of career I'm in right now, I don't really know the answer. It's very confusing. Ten years ago, I thought I was racing very fast, downhill. I thought I'll have to change route, find another profession.
  
  You took up direction after a long time. But in the interim, you've always been called a closet director. Any film that wasn't directed by the top liners like Mani Ratnam or K Balachander, it was assumed that you were wielding the megaphone.
  
  That is, in a way, true and in a way, false. Because I feel no cinema is a single man's effort.
  
  People like Akira Kurosawa did give you that feeling, but there are so many contributing factors. You cannot control that, especially the way it is done here. You can't be alone even to supervise your ideas.
  
  There are so many inputs and there are so many undeserving, as well as humble contributors. Some don't contribute at all and those people I call undeserving. There are some who really contribute and walk away without even asking for applause.
  
  Even if you say I made Hey! Ram, it wouldn't be completely right. It is not possible to do it alone. My cameraman, my art director and my costume department are equally important. I could sleep well at night because I had this crew.
  
  I don't say this out of humility. I'm confident I would have made Hey! Ram without the Thirus and Sarikas, but that's an arrogant way of looking at it. It would have moved away inch by inch from whatever little perfection we've achieved.
  
  About this closet direction, no. Mine was a glass case. Everyone knew.
  
  At what point did the director in you start taking over?
  
  I have been doing this right from the beginning. I never wanted to be an actor. I love my crew. I want to be with them, not rise above them. Rising above them is easy. You become a tyrant, a genius or an eccentric. You rise above them and they give you a misnomer. They'll call you a tyrant, a genius and vice versa.
  
  Mediocrity has been the standard and the easiest thing to achieve. To rise above mediocrity is about the best thing for any man who seeks excellence. But I am not even rising above mediocrity. I am mediocre and have kept myself that way."
  
  Aren't you being too modest?
  
  No, I'm not. I am mediocre because that is my audience. It is not that I am generalising. The daily collection report says that my general audience is mediocre. The minorities who talk as cleverly as I do don't matter because they can have a private conversation with me.
  
  It's said that when you make suggestions, they seem to enhance your character but do not contribute to the general flow in the film. Is that a rather selfish approach?
  
  As an actor, if you will take my suggestion, well, that's what I'll do. That's what even Marlon Brando would do.
  
  I'm not going to tell him how to place the shot. If he asks me how to place the shot, it might improve the general film itself but nobody does that. I wouldn't.
  
  Girish Karnad worked in my film. I will never go and ask him how to do a certain scene. But I would take his suggestion and analyse it.
  
  Right from the beginning, I've been working as an assistant director to all my directors. Even now, for me, the making of the film is more important. It doesn't matter who gets the title. I can afford to say that because I have my face printed on celluloid.
  
  Isn't it also because you have more at stake than anyone else?
  
  For the last 15 years, it's my neck on the line every time. Nobody has the audacity to talk about personal losses, if at all there is any.
  
  Well, aesthetics does not have a price. But if at all anybody's neck is on the line, it's mine. And I bear it every time with minimum pain to others.
  
  That's why I don't try a Apoorva Sahodarargal (Appu Raja in Hindi) for others. Well, when it succeeds, it's okay but when it doesn't, it becomes a Hey! Ram. But the pain is similar and enormous. I cannot dump it on somebody.
  
  When I do it for others, I see to it that it's something as simple as a Guna or a Mahanadhi. Even if something goes wrong, the investment is minimal. Or, for that matter, even Thenali. It is quite a compact film and won't crunch into their bank account.
  
  Talking about a mediocre audience, do you call them so because they don't seem to like what you do?
  
  It's not that. It's the general attitude to look at the human. Vendors are now deciding what the editorial will be in a newspaper. The downfall is not the people. When the vendor decides, then the newspaper is gone.
  
  So who calls the shots in the film industry?
  
  The middleman, always. When they call the shots, that's the end of the film.
  
  Even where a Kamal Hassan is concerned?
  
  Everybody. I am talking about the whole industry. From the time the studios and their distribution network failed, the middlemen emerged. They have nothing to lose.
  
  But that doesn't seem to have stopped you from experimenting. Are you the rebel then?
  
  I keep trying because I'm a student of cinema and a film buff. That's why for the last ten years, I've not done a single day's work. It's a continuous paid holiday for me. I don't care.
  
  I am worried when people don't appreciate work. But the minority has been so kind to me. That's why I won't insult them. As a matter of fact, my survival comes from the minority, who go around like propagandists telling others how good my films are. But the purpose is not served.
  
  My kind of films mature and I've already sold the wine. Somebody else matures that drink, not me. I lose. But mediocrity comes from training. It's not a DNA structure.
  
  Do you feel you're unique because the common man likes you as much as the cognoscenti?
  
  That's because I've humbled myself. I am not reluctant to shake hands with the common man. I used to be a common man and all that I've achieved is not real. It's all piled on to me; it's acquired.
  
  The core is the same, simple man. That is why I see the difference. But you can't segregate the two genres and cater simply to one.
  
  That way, you are risking the market saleability factor. I'm the brand, so I can't have a Lifebuoy and a Surf. It's not a filter cigarette versus a non-filter cigarette, produced by the same company.
  
  So what are you trying to do? Raise the audience's taste?
  
  No, no. Just trying to walk the tightrope and hope for applause.
  
  And what happens when an underrated classic (like Mahanadhi) flops?
  
  For me, Mahanadhi is a very important film. It's going to the Rotterdam festival -- pretty late, I know, six years since its release. But now Mahanadhi, Kurudhippunal, Hey! Ram, Nayakan and Pushpak are going to the festival.
  
  It is called Focus On A Filmmaker, and focuses on a filmmaker who has a mulit-dimensional contribution to films. So one film will promote me as an actor, one a director, another as a writer and one as a participant who creates on the spot.
  
  I have no complaints.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 7:00:20 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  *uck! What an interview

  
  
  Links for the same:-
  Part 1 http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/2007/08/his-handshake-is-not-firm-smile-never.html
  
  Part 2
  http://indianmovies-gossip.blogspot.com/2007/08/second-and-concluding-part-of-interview.html
  
  This interview enlightened me about Hey Raam, than any other review\interview
  
  As usual, he speaks more truth all over the conversation. THIS ONE NEED TO BE ARCHEIVED
  
  its an bit older one, indeed, [during tenaali days]but still valid. and he makes a stanment that soon he will quit acting!...vitruvomaa avlo seekiram., aalavanthaan pammal, pks, anbe sivam, viru, vasoolraja, MX, VV nnu athuve oru Dasaavatharam illa !
  
  

• From: great on Tue Sep 4 9:06:04 2007.

  Amazing interview
  
  

• From: Roshan on Tue Sep 4 9:25:54 2007.

  Excellent Interview !!
  
  Thanks Bala
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Tue Sep 4 10:09:48 2007.

  Kamal as usual rocked
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 10:54:56 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Kamal as usual rocked

  
  
  Repeattu!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 13:27:46 2007.

  I have become a messenger who ports the Orkut Kamal fan mesages to forumhub! but still cant stop copying good posts like the one below..
  
  

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  Thalaivar's Dancing Skills - I Amongst his many talents, Thalaivar's prowess in dancing has earned him a good chunk of fan following over the years. His skills in dancing has ranged from the sublime to street level. He has been the undisputed King of Dancing in Indian film history for over 25 years. There has been many challengers (pretenders) over the years from tamil to telugu to hindi movies but one after the other has fallen by the wayside and slipped into oblivion. But Thalaivar has continued to rule the roost. Here is a brief overview of some of his dance performances that has been showcased over the past 3 decades - • Nizhal Nijamagirathu - There is a bharata natyam sequence which really kick started his whole dance journey. He really pulls off the bharata natyam steps with such ease while clad only in his pants, it is just unbelievable • Ek Duuje Ke Liye – His ‘siva thandavam’ dancing in this movie was a classic • Simla Special – He does the puppet movements which looks like a pre-cursor to break dancing in the ‘Unakenna Mela Nindraan’ song. He repeats the puppet movement to a limited extent in the ‘Ilamai Itho Itho’ song in Sakalakalavallavan • Vaazhve Maayam – In the song ‘Mazhai Kala Megam Ondru’, he does the ‘charleston’ steps so elegantly • Moondram Pirai – Dressed in what appears to be tribal attire, Thalaivar really pulls out some special stuff in slow paced movements • Sanam Teri Kasam – The bhangra dancing at the transgender wedding was a big highlight of this movie. Even Punjabi’s cannot dance the bhangra with the silken grace that Thalaivar displays • Sakalakalavallavan – There is a sequence in the ‘Ilamai Itho Itho’ song where he goes back and forth wearing roller blades. This was incredible coupled with his expression while doing that • Salangai Oli – What can one say about this movie and the dance sequences! There is no other actor in the world that can do this movie EVER. He practically re-defined classical dances that appears in movies • Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey – This movie had several stand out steps – o His dancing and facial expressions in the song ‘Varudu Varudu’ is worth millions. He transforms this local song to a classic level purely with his facial expressions while maintaining fast paced movements o There is a sequence where the Vinod character clad in the famous red color robe is shown dancing with the girls to music from a stereo. Thalaivar shows them how to dance to the beat and does a clapping routine that was stunning • Kakki Chattai – This movie featured Thalaivar in many great dance sequences, one stand out was in the song ‘Singari Sarakku’ where towards the end of the song he shakes his hips while being on one knee. Gives me goose pimples till date • Saagar – He absolutely destroys Rishi Kapoor (hyped by the Hindi film industry as a very good dancer) in the song ‘Yun Hi Gate Rahoo’. Thalaivar shows the world is skills at break dancing • Vikram – Again, this movie had many great sequences but the one step that stands out is where he jumps up and kicks his feet together in the title song. This step was repeated in many of his latter movies but it started here • Aboorva Sagotharargal – In the song ‘Anathey Aadurar’ he once again showed the world that there is no actor that can hold a candle to Thalaivar when it comes to dancing for dappan kuthu songs • Vetri Vizha – He destroys Prabhu who is another over-hyped dancer/actor in the song ‘Vaanam enna’ • Devar Magan – The dance sequence at his introduction was outstanding and very cleverly placed in a serious movie. His facial expressions in that sequence is worth millions • Kaadhala Kaadhala – He shows his superiority over a much acclaimed dancer like Prabhu Deva that “class will always win” in the song ‘Kaasu mela’. Again there is none to match his skills in dancing for songs of that genre • Thenali – His dancing in the song ‘Oh Jaaye’ simply shows that this man does not age at all. How can anyone continue to pull one performance after another for such a long time! It is just incredible that someone can stay on top of their skills and show tremendous scope and variety over such a long period. This in an industry where the dance wonders last only 2 or 3 years at the most. He is like an 'akshaya paathiram' churning out such extraordinary performances without any let up. There has never been anyone like Kamal Haasan before and I am positive that there will never been anyone like Kamal Haasan in the future as well. If the statement seems outrageous to some, then I only ask them to watch the sequences listed in my earlier posts. This is not the most exhaustive list but it suffice to show the Great One's skill. One is left wondering, how can someone develop such a repertoire in one field alone while also staying on top of his profession in various other fields as well! It is only possible by the one and only Kamal Haasan! cheers kannan

  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 13:35:49 2007.

  only thing i differ in the above posst is abt kaathalaa kaathalaa. but still, overall, eventho prabudeva is knon for fast, stylish and funny movements, kamal scores in many vareity of dance sequences as said in the above post. an unique aspect is his facial expressions, during some dance movments, in some specific movies. that adds a new dimension
  
  

• From: kannannn on Tue Sep 4 14:42:22 2007.

  Thanks for the wonderful interview CR and Sakala. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find a meaningful interview with Kamal. Ellarum ore maadhiri kelvi ketkaraangalonnu kooda thonum.
  
  On another note, I just uploaded the scene from Virumaandi, where Peykaaman brings the murder witness to Kothalan's house. The scene starts with Kothalan trimming his nostril hair in the mirror and Annalatchumi barging in and picking a fight with Kamal. As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co. Also, notice how the villagers in the background nod in understanding when Peykaaman asks the witness to come inside the house. So, it is a open secret in the village that everyone and everything is manipulated in the case.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)
  
  

• From: Roshan on Tue Sep 4 14:48:01 2007.

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  About this closet direction, no. Mine was a glass case. Everyone knew.

  
  
  Nethiyadi !!!!
  
  

• From: NOV on Tue Sep 4 20:18:42 2007.

  [tscii]

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  • Kaadhala Kaadhala – He shows his superiority over a much acclaimed dancer like Prabhu Deva that “class will always win” in the song ‘Kaasu mela’. Again there is none to match his skills in dancing for songs of that genre

  
  
  as always, there is no fanatic like an indian fanatic.
  a lesson to be learnt here: If you want to be remembered as tall, dont stand next to a very tall person.
  
  at best Kamal works hard to dance, he is no born dancer. for that at least, we must give him credit.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 22:50:18 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  [tscii]at best Kamal works hard to dance, he is no born dancer. for that at least, we must give him credit.

  ennamo kamal daily morning 5 o clock ezunthu Dance practice pannra maathiri solreenga!!!! all the oints told above are frm 10+ yrs old films!!! appove athu record.
  
  kathala kathala - yes the writer made flat comparision but again, prabudeva is known for stylish fast paced movements but kamal had come a full round.starting from classic, to mike mohan type to kuthu songs
  
  

• From: Nerd on Tue Sep 4 23:19:45 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  prabudeva is known for stylish fast paced movements but kamal had come a full round.starting from classic, to mike mohan type to kuthu songs

  
  awwwwww please
  kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 23:30:11 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic

  thanks for reminding that! will try to catch the same, when i see kaathalan
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 23:31:32 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic

  
  
  Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:31:53 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co.

  
  Would have *seen* it all the time but never *observed* it before. Thanks Kannan
  
  

  kannannn wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)

  
  No two freakin ways about it
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 4 23:32:47 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  On another note, I just uploaded the scene from Virumaandi, where Peykaaman brings the murder witness to Kothalan's house. The scene starts with Kothalan trimming his nostril hair in the mirror and Annalatchumi barging in and picking a fight with Kamal. As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co. Also, notice how the villagers in the background nod in understanding when Peykaaman asks the witness to come inside the house. So, it is a open secret in the village that everyone and everything is manipulated in the case. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)

  kannan, very gud point! i think we all have done a very good PHd on virumaandi. and yes, viru is very close to a all time classic. and director kamal's another acheivment
  
  

• From: Nerd on Tue Sep 4 23:34:09 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Nerd wrote: kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic

  
  innoru muRai thayavu seithu kAthalan padaththil andha CLASSICAL dance-ai pArkkavum. I was not talking about the unimitable, unmatchable oorvasi dance. Wait a min, what am I doing now?? Trying to substantiate that PD dances better than KH??????? Shame on me
  
  

• From: MADDY on Tue Sep 4 23:34:28 2007.

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  Part I of a two-part interview by S Shiva Kumar: Mediocrity has been the standard and the easiest thing to achieve. To rise above mediocrity is about the best thing for any man who seeks excellence. But I am not even rising above mediocrity. I am mediocre and have kept myself that way." Aren't you being too modest? No, I'm not. I am mediocre because that is my audience. It is not that I am generalising. The daily collection report says that my general audience is mediocre. The minorities who talk as cleverly as I do don't matter because they can have a private conversation with me. Talking about a mediocre audience, do you call them so because they don't seem to like what you do? It's not that. It's the general attitude to look at the human. Vendors are now deciding what the editorial will be in a newspaper. The downfall is not the people. When the vendor decides, then the newspaper is gone. So who calls the shots in the film industry? The middleman, always. When they call the shots, that's the end of the film. Even where a Kamal Hassan is concerned? Everybody. I am talking about the whole industry. From the time the studios and their distribution network failed, the middlemen emerged. They have nothing to lose.

  
  
  very very complex views, atleast for me .....does he mean, the middlemen(distributors, i presume) are deciding movie's fate and they are making it mediocre or does he blame it on the audience for being mediocre?? ....if he means audience, he is partly right and partly wrong
  
  partly wrong - bcos it is the same audience who accepted Nayagan, PV, sethu ........partly right, bcos majority (in his terms ) still love cliches,style quotients,feel good factors and weekend-paisa-vasool in movies
  
  

  Quote:

  I am worried when people don't appreciate work. But the minority has been so kind to me. That's why I won't insult them. As a matter of fact, my survival comes from the minority, who go around like propagandists telling others how good my films are. But the purpose is not served.

  
  
  is he talking abt PR, Kannan, Bala,gr8 etc etc. here ....JK, so he does know he has a very sensible following behind
  
  

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  So what are you trying to do? Raise the audience's taste? No, no. Just trying to walk the tightrope and hope for applause.

  
  
  he is surely trying to elevate the tastes of a average tamil cinema viewer .......but i believe, problem is much deep-rooted as Maniratnam put it once - as we develop in economic terms, we will get to see better movies :confused: ......i laughed out loud on that statement but its like a miracle - we are growing economically now(pretty uneven though) and we are seeing movies like PV, Mozhi, CH-28 in a single year ......
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:35:12 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Nerd wrote: kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic

  
  
  
  There are things like bhava and abhinaya in classical dance. Let's not commit more blasphemy by comparing any actor in IFI with KH in that department. Sachin's on-drive vs Dhoni's straight scoop....
  
  P.S: Agree that comparing anyone with PD in HIS domain is blasphemy, like the Kadhala Kadhala dance...
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 23:39:44 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  joe wrote: Nerd wrote: kAdhalan-la classical dance pAthadhillEyA. Comparing KH and prabudeva when it comes to dance is blasphemic Comparing Salangai Oli dance and Kathalan dance is also blasphmic innoru muRai thayavu seithu kAthalan padaththil andha CLASSICAL dance-ai pArkkavum. I was not talking about the unimitable, unmatchable oorvasi dance. Wait a min, what am I doing now?? Trying to substantiate that PD dances better than KH??????? Shame on me

  
  
  I know the classical dance in kathalan you are refering ..It is nowhere near kamal's salangai oli dance ..Nobody denies PD is best in dance ..He is extrodinary in speed and different steps ..but Still ,kamal is best in elegance in dance ..My most favois kamal's dance in punnahai mannan for the theme music.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:45:10 2007.

  MADDY wrote:

  very very complex views, atleast for me .....does he mean, the middlemen(distributors, i presume) are deciding movie's fate and they are making it mediocre or does he blame it on the audience for being mediocre?? ....if he means audience, he is partly right and partly wrong partly wrong - bcos it is the same audience who accepted Nayagan, PV, sethu ........partly right, bcos majority (in his terms ) still love cliches,style quotients,feel good factors and weekend-paisa-vasool in movies

  
  
  

  Quote:

  The downfall is not the people

  
  What he is trying to say is, (atleast as i see it), his reference to the DCR implies generally, not always, his more successful movies were not necessarily better than what he feels as his "good" ones - yes, exceptions are there. To an extent, the film-making fraternity has ensured that the standards are mediocre. Importantly, he includes himself in that list, though he is trying more than anybody else to break free!
  
  Abt the vendors/middlemen - I think this is whom he refers to as pandithargal. Sharks basically, who don't risk anything and yet take away the most. They kind of "dictate" or claim to "know" what the audience like and what they don't. Coupled with a film-making fraternity who stoke this inertia, all we have most of the time is mediocrity.
  
  IMO, he believes, if we keep giving quality movies, the general audience will learn to understand and appreciate them over time. The 'soozhal' should be conducive for that...
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:46:57 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  innoru muRai thayavu seithu kAthalan padaththil andha CLASSICAL dance-ai pArkkavum. I was not talking about the unimitable, unmatchable oorvasi dance. Wait a min, what am I doing now?? Trying to substantiate that PD dances better than KH??????? Shame on me

  
  

  joe wrote:

  I know the classical dance in kathalan you are refering ..It is nowhere near kamal's salangai oli dance ..Nobody denies PD is best in dance ..He is extrodinary in speed and different steps ..but Still ,kamal is best in elegance in dance ..My most favois kamal's dance in punnahai mannan for the theme music.

  
  Nerd,
  innoru murai Joe solradha padinga... and innoru murai Salangai Oli paarunga...
  seri, rendu perukkum venaam.. naattiyam therindha vanga karutha ketta innum theliva solluvaanga...
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Sep 4 23:55:39 2007.

  IMO,Apart from energy and speed ,Expression and look also very important for dance ..There are many actors who are better in engergy and speed compare to kamal ..But surely kamal scores more in expression ,look and elegance .
  
  Even in 'unakenna mele nintral' song ,which can't be called as a dance number ,nammavar is extrodinary with his expression and elegance.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 4 23:59:03 2007.

  Joe,
  - adha thaan 'abhinaya' nu solluvaanga...
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 0:03:14 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Joe, - adha thaan 'abhinaya' nu solluvaanga...

  
  
  Yeah Recently I bought a DVD with 50 kamal songs (from Mustafa)
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Sep 5 0:06:11 2007.

  nerd, except the original post[by kannan] all have atleast once denied that kamal overtakes PD in kathala kathala. Done.
  
  reg Kaathalan, yes PD does an excellent steps and he tries to draw something on floor, i forget. as CR said, it wud be great if some one who knows dance brings out the nuances of that song.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 0:06:54 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Yeah Recently I bought a DVD with 50 kamal songs (from Mustafa)

  
  <Dig>
  Did you get Andha Naal in Mustafa? (If not, out of stock or not available at all?)
  </Dig>
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 0:08:59 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  PD does an excellent steps and he tries to draw something on floor.

  
  
  Mannathi Mannan-la irunthu shankar adicha copya? athula Vaathiyar dance aadi Puli Varaivaar.
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 0:11:34 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  joe wrote: Yeah Recently I bought a DVD with 50 kamal songs (from Mustafa) <Dig> Did you get Andha Naal in Mustafa? (If not, out of stock or not available at all?) </Dig>

  
  
  //dig
  Not available ..but a friend sending me from india I will share with you,if you want.
  //dig
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 0:13:31 2007.

  joe wrote:

  //dig Not available ..but a friend sending me from india I will share with you,if you want. //dig

  
  Thanks
  Let me know when you get it
  //End Dig
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 0:36:35 2007.

  I dont want to compare PD with Kamal especially in classical dance.
  PD and classical dance, to me is blasephmy
  
  All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth.
  
  What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated.
  
  Having said all these, I do not consider "dancing" as a part of "acting." So, we cannot and should not judge an actor on his dancing skills.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Sep 5 2:12:53 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth. What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated.

  
  
  
  Could not accept this.
  
  I consider u are comparing his dance in the past few years. As of now he dont have much interest in dancing around kind of things. That particular thing you can definitely notice and also he is aged. After 40 + you cant expect the same he was in the earlier days.
  
  There are lots of songs to list.
  
  No need for listing. I had come across some Choreographers(Raghuram, Sundaram, Kala, etc) and the Lady stars acted with Kamal and other from Radha, Ambika, Radhika,Silk Smita, etc.. etc.. those all who said as per them Kamal is the best and also it is quite difficult to match him while dancing.
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Wed Sep 5 2:49:39 2007.

  joe wrote:

  I know the classical dance in kathalan you are refering ..It is nowhere near kamal's salangai oli dance ..Nobody denies PD is best in dance ..He is extrodinary in speed and different steps ..but Still ,kamal is best in elegance in dance ..My most favois kamal's dance in punnahai mannan for the theme music.

  
  
  Yes, it is one of my favorites.
  
  In Indiran Chandran, at the beginning of "Nooru nooru mtham..." song, his expressions and movements on the bench was a craze among my friends (GFs too).
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Wed Sep 5 3:00:16 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth.

  
  
  May be he is using a dupe for dances like some other "stars" using dupes for their stunts.
  So though Kamal is a pathetic dancer, we get a feel that he only is doing the dances.
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Sep 5 3:01:56 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  NOV wrote: All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth. What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated. Could not accept this. I consider u are comparing his dance in the past few years. As of now he dont have much interest in dancing around kind of things. That particular thing you can definitely notice and also he is aged. After 40 + you cant expect the same he was in the earlier days. There are lots of songs to list. No need for listing. I had come across some Choreographers(Raghuram, Sundaram, Kala, etc) and the Lady stars acted with Kamal and other from Radha, Ambika, Radhika,Silk Smita, etc.. etc.. those all who said as per them Kamal is the best and also it is quite difficult to match him while dancing.

  
  
  Thiru,
  
  Sila appattamAna, theLivAna, uNmaiyAna vishayangaLukku viLakkam kodukka muyaRchippathE 'blasphemy' thAn KH's dancing skills be it GRACE, expressions, body language, timing ellAmE beyond questions, doubts and discussions. The entire IFI knows that. Onnu reNDu pEru othukka virumbAma irukkalAm but that cannot undermine the obvious
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:11:40 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking..

  
  
  Grace is where he is leading compare to others,IMO.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:45:27 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  I consider u are comparing his dance in the past few years.

  Nope. I meant all these while.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:48:05 2007.

  breadpuli wrote:

  So though Kamal is a pathetic dancer, we get a feel that he only is doing the dances.

  no, Kamal is not pathetic.
  
  as a person who is determined to excel in everything he does, he also works hard at dancing - it doesnt come naturally to him.
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:49:47 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  breadpuli wrote: So though Kamal is a pathetic dancer, we get a feel that he only is doing the dances. no, Kamal is not pathetic. as a person who is determined to excel in everything he does, he also works hard at dancing - it doesnt come naturally to him.

  
  
  NOV,
  Vitta kamal-kku nadippu natural-a varalla ,but trying hard-nnu sollveenga pola
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:50:39 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Grace is where he is leading compare to others,IMO.

  grace = fluidity. dont you find exageration in his movements?
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:51:31 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  joe wrote: Grace is where he is leading compare to others,IMO. grace = fluidity. dont you find exageration in his movements?

  
  
  Not at all.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:52:43 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Vitta kamal-kku nadippu natural-a varalla ,but trying hard-nnu sollveenga pola

  I have never denied that he is an actor par excellence.
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 3:53:50 2007.

  joe wrote:

  Not at all.

  one day when I get the chance, I shall sit with you and show you what I mean - the best example will begin with Salangai Oli itself.
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 3:54:46 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  joe wrote: Not at all. one day when I get the chance, I shall sit with you and show you what I mean - the best example will begin with Salangai Oli itself.

  
  
  OK
  
  

• From: sriranga on Wed Sep 5 4:07:59 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  I have become a messenger who ports the Orkut Kamal fan mesages to forumhub! but still cant stop copying good posts like the one below.. Quote: 1 Sakalakalavallavan – There is a sequence in the ‘Ilamai Itho Itho’ song where he goes back and forth wearing roller blades. This was incredible coupled with his expression while doing that 2 Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey – This movie had several stand out steps – o His dancing and facial expressions in the song ‘Varudu Varudu’ is worth millions. He transforms this local song to a classic level purely with his facial expressions while maintaining fast paced movements 3 Vikram – Again, this movie had many great sequences but the one step that stands out is where he jumps up and kicks his feet together in the title song. This step was repeated in many of his latter movies but it started here 4 Kaadhala Kaadhala – He shows his superiority over a much acclaimed dancer like Prabhu Deva that “class will always win” in the song ‘Kaasu mela’. Again there is none to match his skills in dancing for songs of that genre cheers kannan

  
  
  1. In illamai itho itho song , i liked the steps under the lights too.
  
  2. In varudu varudu song, though kamal is good, bubbly radha outscored him in some expression and dance.
  
  3. In vikram, the step comes in en jodi manja kuruvi song with whistles.
  
  4. no comments.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Sep 5 4:29:16 2007.

  One of the most natural dancers to 'grace' the Tamil screen.
  In fact in later films like Kadhala Kadhala he is able to hold his own in the company of a more talented dancer like Prabhu Deva, simply because he has that grace in his dance that Prabhudeva lacks.
  
  Have a look at rum-bum-bum from MMKR. Not a very demanding dance.In on of the sequences (where he is wearing a big hat), Kushboo and Kamal have the same steps. Kushboo (never a big - no pun intended- dancer) is 'correct' in her steps, that is all. OTOH Kamal is absolutely graceful.
  
  The only criticism I have is his expressions when he dances are exaggerated and he is never casually dancing. One can notice this in movies like Nammavar, where he dances 'casually' many times but the way his mouth is set and his expressions are, look very conscious. Anything but casual. Maybe it is the classical training, where it is important for the face to be highly expressive.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Sep 5 5:10:21 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  One of the most natural dancers to 'grace' the Tamil screen.

  
  
  
  
  
  

  Quote:

  In fact in later films like Kadhala Kadhala he is able to hold his own in the company of a more talented dancer like Prabhu Deva, simply because he has that grace in his dance that Prabhudeva lacks.

  
  
  Super and Even in simple sequences like - kAdhalA kAdhalA kAdhalil thavikkirEn in Avvai Shanmugi, enna solli ennai cholla in Thenali ( his facial expressions and lip movements for those lines 'jannal kaatrAgi vaa... ) the funny sequence in AazhwaarpEtta ALudA and kalakka pOvathu yAru in VRMBBS. Can go on and on to talk about his GRACE .
  
  

  Quote:

  Have a look at rum-bum-bum from MMKR. Not a very demanding dance.In on of the sequences (where he is wearing a big hat), Kushboo and Kamal have the same steps. Kushboo (never a big - no pun intended- dancer) is 'correct' in her steps, that is all. OTOH Kamal is absolutely graceful.

  
  
  Spot on ! This is the song that immediately came on to my mind when I saw that list posted by Sakala. How come they missed it. Also 'mArugO mArugO', and KAlakAlamAga vAzhum'
  
  

  Quote:

  The only criticism I have is his expressions when he dances are exaggerated and he is never casually dancing. One can notice this in movies like Nammavar, where he dances 'casually' many times but the way his mouth is set and his expressions are, look very conscious. Anything but casual. Maybe it is the classical training, where it is important for the face to be highly expressive.

  
  
  But then again he is criticised for Salangai Oli
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Sep 5 5:10:48 2007.

  Nammavar dancing in Salangai Oli - Naatha vinothangaL
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6VCxXno848
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 5:56:48 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Thiru, Sila appattamAna, theLivAna, uNmaiyAna vishayangaLukku viLakkam kodukka muyaRchippathE 'blasphemy' thAn KH's dancing skills be it GRACE, expressions, body language, timing ellAmE beyond questions, doubts and discussions. The entire IFI knows that. Onnu reNDu pEru othukka virumbAma irukkalAm but that cannot undermine the obvious

  
  Roshan,
  Having a tough time deciding which is a bigger comedy,
  1. SPB-ku bass voice illa
  OR
  2. Kamal is not a graceful dancer
  
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Sep 5 5:59:01 2007.

  Oh My Movie God!
  
  Kamal lacks Grace? Enna Nov ithu?
  
  The best dance of now, as I see it, is Prabhu Deva. But he lacks the grace that Kamal has.
  
  I have my own misgivings about some of Kamal's works, and we have discussed it, but dancing is never his downside. It's graceful and is very creative. You know this, because the same choreographers have worked with other actors and they are not as creative....or as graceful.
  
  I have a lady friend, a Baratha Natyam dancer, who agrees that he is good, Baratha Natyam or not.
  
  I know you are quite unpredictable Nov, but this...
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 5 6:05:36 2007.

  groucho070 wrote:

  The best dancer of now, as I see it, is Prabhu Deva. But he lacks the grace that Kamal has.

  
  I think everyone agrees on that
  
  

  groucho070 wrote:

  I have a lady friend, a Baratha Natyam dancer, who agrees that he is good, Baratha Natyam or not.

  
  idha thaan naan mudhallaye sonnen, solravanga sollanumnu...
  
  

• From: omega on Wed Sep 5 7:53:38 2007.

  IMO it is an absolute blunder to say that KH lacks grace in dance sequences. So far he is my favourite dancer in movies atleast. It comes very natural to him without doubt. In those days (90's) it was the special item in his movies. I mean his fans would just wait for that one special song where he would be display his new steps in his jigina dress (again that outfit never suited any other actor).
  I can agree a little bit on his face expressions being little overboard expecially in his classical numbers (salangai oli), but I have enjoyed every bit of it.
  
  The only complain (for salangai oli) was that he didn't remove hair (like moustache, underarms etc etc) what all classical performers are supposed to (???).
  
  I can agree that Prabhu Deva is a good dancer, but his choreography suits other actors better than himself (expecially KH & Chiru). Remember he did only one number in Minsara Kanave (the award winning Vennilave) & others were handled by Saroj Khan....
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Wed Sep 5 7:59:16 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  I dont want to compare PD with Kamal especially in classical dance. PD and classical dance, to me is blasephmy All I want to say is Kamal as a fantastic dancer is a myth. What is dance? Dance = Grace and that's where he is lacking. You dont see fluidity be it classical or contemporary dancing. What you see instead are exaggerated movements. But the man tries. And tries hard. For that alone, he should be congratulated. Having said all these, I do not consider "dancing" as a part of "acting." So, we cannot and should not judge an actor on his dancing skills.

  
  
  what do we call this??
  
  in virumandi-- kombula poova suthi song, he will make just one step..athu grace..
  i dont know, which grace, our NOV is talking abt..
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Wed Sep 5 8:03:00 2007.

  joe,
  
  i also love that theme music in punnagai mannan..
  
  end credits poduum, pothu oru bit varum paarunga...
  
  
  
  the music and dance will be in 100% sync..
  
  
  i cant express that feeling in words..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Sep 5 12:50:42 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  i dont know, which grace, our NOV is talking abt..

  
  
  "sirichu sirichu vandha cheena thana doi" paduna grace-a irukkumo
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Wed Sep 5 12:50:59 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  joe, i also love that theme music in punnagai mannan.. end credits poduum, pothu oru bit varum paarunga... the music and dance will be in 100% sync.. i cant express that feeling in words..

  
  
  aana antha music-le originality illaye
  antha dance-le fluency illaye
  antha feeling-kku credibility illaye
  ennoda intha postukku font sariya varaliye
  
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Sep 5 20:26:06 2007.

  thanks to everyone for your views, both sarcastic and emotional.
  lets move on.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Sep 6 0:08:02 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search=
  
  Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Thu Sep 6 0:13:46 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  The only criticism I have is his expressions when he dances are exaggerated and he is never casually dancing. One can notice this in movies like Nammavar, where he dances 'casually' many times but the way his mouth is set and his expressions are, look very conscious. Anything but casual. Maybe it is the classical training, where it is important for the face to be highly expressive.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 6 1:42:42 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene

  
  Feddy,
  You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Sep 6 2:04:08 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  On another note, I just uploaded the scene from Virumaandi, where Peykaaman brings the murder witness to Kothalan's house. The scene starts with Kothalan trimming his nostril hair in the mirror and Annalatchumi barging in and picking a fight with Kamal. As the scene progresses, the mirror becomes an important part, dividing the true image of Kamal and the false images of Kothalan and co. Also, notice how the villagers in the background nod in understanding when Peykaaman asks the witness to come inside the house. So, it is a open secret in the village that everyone and everything is manipulated in the case.

  kannan AhA...pramAdham...kavidhai kavidhai The dialogues are exceptional too.
  

  kannannn wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rExTCRneI (He is THE BEST director around.. PERIOD)

  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 6 2:07:50 2007.

  PR,
  neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku..
  Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Sep 6 2:10:59 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  PR, neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku.. Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..

  
  
  
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Sep 6 2:18:18 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  PR, neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku.. Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..

  
  
  PR enna wish panninaaru? Konjam viLakkama sollapadatha
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Sep 6 2:18:39 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  PR, neenga "wish" panninadhu nadakka vaippu irukku.. Thalaivar Raajkamal "file"-a thoosu thatta arambichirukkaradha seidhigal/vathanthigal varudhu..

  A couple of weeks ago I saw a Lagaan, collector's edition DVD in Landmark for Rs.2000 ! Collect panRa aLavukku padam edukkura orE aaL summA ukkAndhirukkumbOdhu, idhellAm ungalukkE romba over-A theriyalaiyAnnu thOnichchu.
  
  This is great news ! Reservations on for the Rajkamal omnibus ! Naan oru kercheip pOttu vaikkaNum.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 6 2:25:08 2007.

  joe wrote:

  PR enna wish panninaaru? Konjam viLakkama sollapadatha

  
  Joe,
  PR has expressed a few times in this hub his preference to see Aandavar direct himself rather than acting for someone else..
  
  Heard that Sir is considering a film for Raajkamal on a first copy basis, produced by some other house.
  Remember, "considering" thaan, innum oorjidham aaganum...
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Sep 6 2:30:51 2007.

  Oh ! I thought you were referring to the Rajkamal's DVDs.
  This is even greater news. That is his future (ref. my avtar) and as Kannan just said:" He is the best....period".
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Sep 6 2:33:40 2007.

  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 6 3:31:19 2007.

  appo Dr.Kamal nnu marubadiyum pottukkalaam!
  
  

• From: great on Thu Sep 6 11:41:04 2007.

  If it happens then it will be a great treat for us
  
  I would like to see a village based subject like devar Mahan / Virumandi with Isaiyaraja
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Sep 6 11:53:36 2007.

  Multiple chopping scenes ........ That video doesnt have that infamous dialogue "vidatha vidatha engappana vettu" which follows that chopping scene
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene Feddy, You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Thu Sep 6 13:33:45 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Multiple chopping scenes ........ That video doesnt have that infamous dialogue "vidatha vidatha engappana vettu" which follows that chopping scene crajkumar_be wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene Feddy, You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV

  
  
  It's my favorite too
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 6 14:08:42 2007.

  Again in viru, there were many nuances in the repeat scenes during Virumaandi's POV. one thing i remember is, the end of panchayat scene where a slipper is thrown and it hits kothalan. and the sliper is shown for a moment, in the next scene following the discussions by kothalan and co.
  
  the same scene when narrated by kamal, the panchayat scene ends too fast, with kamal narrating his feelings and the slipper is thrown up....now it doesn's falls and hits on kothalan, instead it falls [into] the next followinf scene itself...
  
  what a conectivity! its a very small thing bon the whole screenplay but i cant stop wondering on kamal's imagination, well for nth time...
  
  in the folowing scene, he fights with annalakshmi where he stylishly balances a "sarakku" glass on the bull's back
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 6 14:13:29 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  ..........the slipper is thrown up....now it doesn's falls and hits on kothalan, instead it falls [into] the next following scene itself...

  this teknik sparkles me to recall and discuss about kamal's connecting styles for different scenes, i mean, the way one scene transforms to the next one..
  
  
  remember the "spiral round" shown in Black and White movies, to indicate the end of a scene...and also kamal's nakkal on jumping into flashback scenes, in Tenaali
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Sep 6 14:49:29 2007.

  
  

  littlemaster1982 wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: Multiple chopping scenes ........ That video doesnt have that infamous dialogue "vidatha vidatha engappana vettu" which follows that chopping scene crajkumar_be wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZw9C1NG7vg&mode=related&search= Virumaandi special ........ This one has my favourite aruvaal scene Feddy, You mean the "ennaya vetna aruva.. un peru potta aruva.. padhil sollu" scene or the limb chopping fight scene? rendume super scenes but the former was one of my favorites even before the release, when they showed the shooting of this scene in Sun TV It's my favorite too

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Sep 9 6:59:00 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1
  
  
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Sep 9 13:04:19 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1

  
  SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Mon Sep 10 2:16:10 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of.

  
  
  Yes, PR. Funny how SRK thinks his role is a cameo (Dude! Cameo is what Kamal did in Thillu mullu, or Magalir Mattum.) Is this an indication that some actors think that if you are not the 'hero' of the movie, then whatever part you play is a cameo?
  
  As for Rani M and Vasundhra Das, I hope somewhere down the line, they'll realise that the roles they played in this movie are 2 of the strongest women's roles in recent Indian cinema. Sure, they may be more comfortable with their Shakalakas and glamourous Swiss filmed solos, but I hope that sometime in the future, they'll mention Hey Ram as an important film in their acting careers.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Mon Sep 10 3:06:02 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of. Yes, PR. Funny how SRK thinks his role is a cameo (Dude! Cameo is what Kamal did in Thillu mullu, or Magalir Mattum.) Is this an indication that some actors think that if you are not the 'hero' of the movie, then whatever part you play is a cameo? As for Rani M and Vasundhra Das, I hope somewhere down the line, they'll realise that the roles they played in this movie are 2 of the strongest women's roles in recent Indian cinema. Sure, they may be more comfortable with their Shakalakas and glamourous Swiss filmed solos, but I hope that sometime in the future, they'll mention Hey Ram as an important film in their acting careers.

  
  
  Kumar, I still remember your comments on Hema Malini
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Sep 10 3:13:07 2007.

  SRK 'the ham godown' did his best in "Hey! Ram". "Cameo" is just a slip of lip. Or maybe because, he is the badshah of bolly, and couldn't afford to play a 'character' over a crowd pleasing role. I guess he might even call CDI a cameo (which was again one of the better roles in recent times).
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Sep 10 3:26:02 2007.

  Kannannn,
  
  What a scene!!!! The dissection was brilliant too.
  
  Just to add on Amjad: SRK looks to have missed the point of playing that role. Couldn't blame him. I suppose it's valued as just another(stereotyped) Caricature of a Muslim. The resonance, and the significance of that role(and characterization) is sorely missed out by many.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Sep 10 3:27:03 2007.

  Thilak4life,
  First of all, the hub Aandavar fans association has issued a show-cause notice to you. Please explain as to why action should not be taken against you for your absence
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Sep 10 4:14:31 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. .

  
  
  Nah, not from the man who brilliantly parodies the very idea in a throwaway piece of dialogue in MMKR.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Mon Sep 10 20:53:00 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Kumar wrote: Prabhu Ram wrote: ajithfederer wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZFyi8TLJU&NR=1 SRK Makes it sound like a very ordinary Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai film. koodi vaazhndhaal kOdi nanmai type. He said his role was a short-short cameo kittaththitta oru maNi nEram, spread across two ends of the film, with a host of important scenes and arguably the finest dialogues in the film, and doubtlessly one of his best performances. Rani and Vasundara...nobody seems to have felt the magnitude of the achievement they were all part of. Yes, PR. Funny how SRK thinks his role is a cameo (Dude! Cameo is what Kamal did in Thillu mullu, or Magalir Mattum.) Is this an indication that some actors think that if you are not the 'hero' of the movie, then whatever part you play is a cameo? As for Rani M and Vasundhra Das, I hope somewhere down the line, they'll realise that the roles they played in this movie are 2 of the strongest women's roles in recent Indian cinema. Sure, they may be more comfortable with their Shakalakas and glamourous Swiss filmed solos, but I hope that sometime in the future, they'll mention Hey Ram as an important film in their acting careers. Kumar, I still remember your comments on Hema Malini

  
  
  You mean the one about her glamour solo! Actually I remember PR bringing up Hema Malini's 'dissatisfaction' with her role in the film. And I also read somewhere that she didn't like the way she was 'treated' (like a "junior" artist).
  
  *Sigh* Whatever.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 11 6:14:04 2007.

  A post by someone called Salvador in Orkut Aandvara community:
  
  

  Quote:

  Kamal Haasan is the boldest actor in Indian film industry. One particular aspect of this boldness is revealed in the role of women in his movies. Most movies in India try to show women in black and white and not in complex characterisation. Kamal's movies, perhaps deliberately, involves complex women. Thus Kamal has played a variety of roles in which his relations, women have chequered lives. Thus, if Saranya is married despite being from a brothel in Nayagan, Kamal's mother in Gunaa, his daughter in Mahanadhi and his sister in Arangetram are forced into the world's oldest business for tragic reasons.

  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 11 6:34:46 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  A post by someone called Salvador in Orkut Aandvara community: Quote: Kamal Haasan is the boldest actor in Indian film industry. .........................Thus, if Saranya is married despite being from a brothel in Nayagan, Kamal's mother in Gunaa, his daughter in Mahanadhi and his sister in Arangetram are forced into the world's oldest business for tragic reasons.

  There was this programme, Kamal hit songs, which was sung by himself, and this was aiered by jaya tv, i think durig MX release period. Ramesh aravind was with him on stage. the idea is to bring other singers like spb\janaki to sing songs and kamal was praising those singers, eac time before their song....then kamal himself sung a solo which was not a cinema song...it was based on some kuppathu tune, just 4 lines and he uses the same tune and sing with different lyrics...written by himself.
  
  at one point, kamal singed with some lyrics which sounded like supporting, ot atleas not opposing prostitution...lines were like"Veedu illaathavan hotelukku povaan" at this point, ramesh arvind was smiling lightly[i think, that was an act of laughing against kamals that very point]
  
  i support this view of kamal 200%
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 11 6:59:04 2007.

  Arangetram - his sister
  Moonram Pirai - he loves sridevi[you left this!]
  Nayagan - his wife
  Mahanathi - his daughter
  Guna - his mother[runs]& Rosy [does]
  
  For mahanathi, he went to Sonaa Kaachi, and shot there in realty, it was not sets. he even had a small dinner with the girls there, as said by him. he always has a sad respect[sympathy??] on those womens.
  
  great human
  
  

• From: Roshan on Tue Sep 11 8:29:18 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Arangetram - his sister Moonram Pirai - he loves sridevi[you left this!] Nayagan - his wife Mahanathi - his daughter Guna - his mother[runs]& Rosy [does] For mahanathi, he went to Sonaa Kaachi, and shot there in realty, it was not sets. he even had a small dinner with the girls there, as said by him. he always has a sad respect[sympathy??] on those womens. great human

  
  
  In an interview I remember him mentioning that those women had asked him "neenga ethukku inga vanthirukeenga? ungala mAthiri pirabalangaL pagal nErathula inga vara mAttAngaLE" ( I dont know which emotion(s) should I input here)
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Sep 11 9:20:20 2007.

  Tangentially related
  
  A sequence from the unnai naan aRivEn song
  
  Guna's mother (S.Varalakshmi) is devoutly praying to God, chanting something, squatting on the floor next to the idol.
  There is someone at the door. If you remember the house, her room is straight up the stairs from the front door. She doesn't get up, just leans to her right to see who is there. (We see from behind her as well as from downstairs.) One of the girls downstairs answers the door and takes the 'client' to her room. Business as usual. She leans back to proceed with her poojai. Fantastic.
  
  Is is just Kamal's trademark potshot at religion ? Maybe, but it is a whole lot more too. Religion is just a way the old woman seeking solace. She is not in the least disturbed at that moment by the mismatch between her piety and her 'immoral' trade. Is it perhaps because the immorality is itself the viewer's opinion ?
  Of course she is dissed with her lot. On at least on occassion she blames her deserter husband, son and fate. But her resignation is so strong that she is completely inured.
  
  The viewer is in no position to evaluate if the resignation itself is something to be empathized with. Because the tragic nature of the resignation just whacks the viewer in the head in that small (3-5 second sequence).
  
  Watch and get overwhelmed, think later because he just messes your judgement at the time of viewing and gets you to feel for the characters. What a master film maker
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Sep 11 21:19:37 2007.

  My search got over
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1071016032818544779&q=aboorva&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5
  
  

• From: ThalaNass on Tue Sep 11 21:31:38 2007.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  My search got over http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1071016032818544779&q=aboorva&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

  
  
  wowwwwww... thanks a lot Feddy..
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 3:04:50 2007.

  And I thought I made a profound point bringing in that piece of dialogue from MMKR!
  
  Jokes apart, on "Guna," I think it is a severely underrated film and very even (for the lack of a better word) in terms of the morality that's depicted in it, more even than many of Kamal's classics. The film can't just be viewed as a "good vs. evil" story in any sense, even though one has often encountered praise for the film for its depiction of the "pure love" of Guna and so on.
  
  The protagonist here is simply a madman (or God, depends on the way you see him) while all those around him are mere mortals, not at all beyond "corruption" or "sins," and most of them use him for various purposes. The characterization of JK (Sharad Saxena) borders on being one-dimensionally "evil" though, but again SPB makes a "fair case" (!) for him too when discussing the temple-theft-cum-kidnap case with his colleague.
  
  At the same time, it is also never apologetic about any of Guna's deeds. The man is mad, it makes no fuss of it. He abets his uncle in a temple theft when effectively persuaded to do so, he kills a policeman by mistake and shows no remorse whatsoever. There's simply no moral to take home, so to say.
  
  I also differ from many others who dismiss Kamal's performance here as over the top. To deem it as over-the-top is to simply overlook the wonderfully understated moments. The closest similar example I can give is Vikram's performance in "Pithamagan" (even though, in comparision, the latter performance falls short in terms of spontaneity and nuances). That performance is criticized for its over-the-top-ness too, but one has only to see those moments -- the way Siththan stares out of the train window trying to catch the view from one end to another, or the way he is miffed when everyone laughs at him when he is made to "aavi-pidichufy" and he forces himself out of the blanket. Okay, both these moments are from the song "Ilangaathu Veesudhe," which only shows my love for the picturisation of this song, the way it conveys a range of emotions of the various characters in the film. One of the best song-picturisations of this decade. Pardon the digression.
  
  P.S.:- This is, of course, not to say that a film like "Mahanadhi" which does have "some morals to take home" is inferior. In fact, "Mahanadhi" as a film is superior in my books (and possibly my single favourite Tamil film).
  
  

• From: Kumar on Wed Sep 12 3:38:12 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Is is just Kamal's trademark potshot at religion ? Maybe, but it is a whole lot more too. Religion is just a way the old woman seeking solace. She is not in the least disturbed at that moment by the mismatch between her piety and her 'immoral' trade. Is it perhaps because the immorality is itself the viewer's opinion ? Of course she is dissed with her lot. On at least on occassion she blames her deserter husband, son and fate. But her resignation is so strong that she is completely inured. The viewer is in no position to evaluate if the resignation itself is something to be empathized with. Because the tragic nature of the resignation just whacks the viewer in the head in that small (3-5 second sequence). Watch and get overwhelmed, think later because he just messes your judgement at the time of viewing and gets you to feel for the characters. What a master film maker

  
  
  Great observation PR.
  
  And this is where I think Kamal stands out from the crowd; his characters are not merely black or white, or straight forward. I like the fact that he creates a history for his characters, even if they appear for a short while. It makes them more believable and the audience can relate to them or aspects of their behaviour. And to boot, characters who may be stereotyped elsewhere are ' humanised' (Guna's mum), and like you said, he "messes with your judgement".
  
  And continuing on the subject of women, a few people I know were shocked at Annalaskhmi's death and the violence meted out on her by her own kin in Virumaandi. Some viewers saw this as an insult to women; but I thought that scene culminates everything that can go wrong in an overly male dominant society, and in this case, household. This IS abuse, and this scene is meant to make us squirm in our seats. It IS meant to make us feel uncomfortable. It IS meant to shock us. And it IS meant to knock some sense into our heads. To be honest, I am quite thankful that Kamal made this scene, and Annalakshmi's suicide, as graphic as he did. It's a far cry from movies which portray abuse against women as normal, or even worse, comedic. (I really detest scenes when the hero slaps the heroine for some reason, but because she is head over heals in love with him, she keeps thinking about the slap as a romantic gesture and this leads to a dream duet scene. I also have a bone to pick with Bala for a scene in Pithamagan when Laila gets repeatedly slapped by her male relative, and this is made to look like a comedy scene. I'm not happy, Bala .)
  
  And to those naysayers who said that Virumaandi was 'too violent', I wish to say this:
  
  PONGGADA!!!!
  
  9.5 out of 10 Tamil movies have fights. 80% of these fights are unnecessary and are usually done for claps and whistles. We have been so de-sensitised to violence because it's been portrayed as heroic, stylish, funny, cool, etc. OK, go ahead and enjoy these fight scenes; but when violence is portrayed as it is, don't go all moralistic and call a movie like Virumaandi unnecessarily violent.
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Wed Sep 12 3:41:16 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  Great observation PR. And this is where I think Kamal stands out from the crowd; his characters are not merely black or white, or straight forward. I like the fact that he creates a history for his characters, even if they appear for a short while. It makes them more believable and the audience can relate to them or aspects of their behaviour. And to boot, characters who may be stereotyped elsewhere are ' humanised' (Guna's mum), and like you said, he "messes with your judgement". And continuing on the subject of women, a few people I know were shocked at Annalaskhmi's death and the violence meted out on her by her own kin in Virumaandi. Some viewers saw this as an insult to women; but I thought that scene culminates everything that can go wrong in an overly male dominant society, and in this case, household. This IS abuse, and this scene is meant to make us squirm in our seats. It IS meant to make us feel uncomfortable. It IS meant to shock us. And it IS meant to knock some sense into our heads. To be honest, I am quite thankful that Kamal made this scene, and Annalakshmi's suicide, as graphic as he did. It's a far cry from movies which portray abuse against women as normal, or even worse, comedic. (I really detest scenes when the hero slaps the heroine for some reason, but because she is head over heals in love with him, she keeps thinking about the slap as a romantic gesture and this leads to a dream duet scene. I also have a bone to pick with Bala for a scene in Pithamagan when Laila gets repeatedly slapped by her male relative, and this is made to look like a comedy scene. I'm not happy, Bala .) And to those naysayers who said that Virumaandi was 'too violent', I wish to say this: PONGGADA!!!! 9.5 out of 10 Tamil movies have fights. 80% of these fights are unnecessary and are usually done for claps and whistles. We have been so de-sensitised to violence because it's been portrayed as heroic, stylish, funny, cool, etc. OK, go ahead and enjoy these fight scenes; but when violence is portrayed as it is, don't go all moralistic and call a movie like Virumaandi unnecessarily violent.

  
  
  Superb post Kumar. Esp. abt the violence factor
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 12 5:17:24 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  And I thought I made a profound point bringing in that piece of dialogue from MMKR! Jokes apart, on "Guna," I think it is a severely underrated film and very even (for the lack of a better word) in terms of the morality that's depicted in it, more even than many of Kamal's classics. The film can't just be viewed as a "good vs. evil" story in any sense, even though one has often encountered praise for the film for its depiction of the "pure love" of Guna and so on. The protagonist here is simply a madman (or God, depends on the way you see him) while all those around him are mere mortals, not at all beyond "corruption" or "sins," and most of them use him for various purposes. The characterization of JK (Sharad Saxena) borders on being one-dimensionally "evil" though, but again SPB makes a "fair case" (!) for him too when discussing the temple-theft-cum-kidnap case with his colleague. At the same time, it is also never apologetic about any of Guna's deeds. The man is mad, it makes no fuss of it. He abets his uncle in a temple theft when effectively persuaded to do so, he kills a policeman by mistake and shows no remorse whatsoever. There's simply no moral to take home, so to say. I also differ from many others who dismiss Kamal's performance here as over the top. To deem it as over-the-top is to simply overlook the wonderfully understated moments. The closest similar example I can give is Vikram's performance in "Pithamagan" (even though, in comparision, the latter performance falls short in terms of spontaneity and nuances). That performance is criticized for its over-the-top-ness too, but one has only to see those moments -- the way Siththan stares out of the train window trying to catch the view from one end to another, or the way he is miffed when everyone laughs at him when he is made to "aavi-pidichufy" and he forces himself out of the blanket. Okay, both these moments are from the song "Ilangaathu Veesudhe," which only shows my love for the picturisation of this song, the way it conveys a range of emotions of the various characters in the film. One of the best song-picturisations of this decade. Pardon the digression. P.S.:- This is, of course, not to say that a film like "Mahanadhi" which does have "some morals to take home" is inferior. In fact, "Mahanadhi" as a film is superior in my books (and possibly my single favourite Tamil film).

  
  
  Welcome to the hub
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 5:33:18 2007.

  Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now.
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Wed Sep 12 5:39:31 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now.

  
  Idhu aetho oru "Koottu Sathi" maari theriyuthae
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 12 5:50:28 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now.

  
  
  Couldn't get it! I don't get the SRK connection!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 12 5:54:24 2007.

  selvakumar wrote:

  equanimus wrote: Thanks, Thilak. Tell me if the reference to MMKR was "profound" or not, now. Idhu aetho oru "Koottu Sathi" maari theriyuthae

  
  
  
  
  I know someone who writes like Equanimus, If it's the same person, then I'm even more glad and excited to read his posts...
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 6:26:12 2007.

  Ayyo, iruvaththanjaa? Dha... PattaaNi, namma reNdu perum bhai-bhai-i, brothers-u. Aaraayira rooba dhaan vaanginen, nadagam...
  
  Delivered with such timing that I can't match, so pardon me if it comes off as rather puerile.
  
  P.S.:- Well, Thilak, yeah, I think I am the one who you think I am. Damn, am I that predictable?
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Sep 12 7:12:05 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Ayyo, iruvaththanjaa? Dha... PattaaNi, namma reNdu perum bhai-bhai-i, brothers-u. Aaraayira rooba dhaan vaanginen, nadagam...

  irunvathanjundriyE
  
  tIk hai aarAyira rooba ippo tharAn..unnees aayiram appuram tharAn.
  unneesA ?
  arrE..pathambOdhAyiram
  oh ! hindi...
  
  A warm welcome equanimus. Nice post about Guna and ditto about Mahanadhi. Sithan is not very popular in these parts, glad to have company !
  
  If Guna is mentioned, can Kumar be far away and if Kumar is here, can Virumaandi be far away Nice post about 'violence' as it is. Disagree with the point about thePithamagan scene you mention. In the jail, when Laila and her father visit Surya, her father keeps hitting her. She is least bit perturbed. Now before this is interpreted as resignation, she retorts with the "loosAppA nee", which is becoming a household catchphrase. She is far far far from 'oppressed'.
  And even if you charge him with making "light work" of domestic violence, this was a very true depiction: showing it "as is" including the humour.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 7:49:38 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  I really detest scenes when the hero slaps the heroine for some reason, but because she is head over heals in love with him, she keeps thinking about the slap as a romantic gesture and this leads to a dream duet scene.

  
  
  Kumar,
  This is entirely an aside note, I definitely concur with you about the way these kind of scenes are generally conceived. But, the insensitive usage of this very same situation over many, many films only shows that it's a huge cliché, and that it's depicted in a listlessly one-dimensional (and fake) manner in those films; not that it's a fake "feeling" (such a corny word to use, I agree!) or emotion as such.
  
  Well, the very fact that this kind of feeling of a woman for her man is even portrayed (how much ever insensitively and listlessly) in stories/films tempts me to think that it could actually be representing the reality of our society (of the "Tamil woman," if you will) in some way, at least more real than what you seem to suggest or assume.
  
  Of course, I am playing the devil's advocate here. I am not defending the hordes of such scenes that we get to see in Tamil films, but trying to discern the "truths" of the society without dwelling into the the "rights" and "wrongs" in showing such a thing.
  
  That's the key thing about "Virumaandi" scene too, like you say. Whether it drives home a point (it sure would have evoked a horrific reaction in everyone) or not, what is significant here is that it's also real, very uneasily so.
  
  

  Kumar wrote:

  I also have a bone to pick with Bala for a scene in Pithamagan when Laila gets repeatedly slapped by her male relative, and this is made to look like a comedy scene. I'm not happy, Bala

  
  
  That scene in "Pithamagan" didn't evoke that kind of feeling to me at all. Yes, it does play out as a comedy (it's insanely funny, if you ask me; Bala has a very good sense of humour). But, the reaction of Laila's father is rather "normal" even in case of an upper middle-class, rural upbringing, considering the extents to which she invites trouble in the film. On an unrelated note, I'm probably the only one who thought Laila was a riot here (no fan of her, dislike her even in the most appreciated performances like the one in "Ullam Ketkume").
  
  Since I got off an a tangent to talk about depiction of violence, this can also be seen as my defence of the depiction of violence in the films of Bala (whom yours truly is a big fan of). The violence in his films doesn't drive home a point (leave aside a moral), but has a deep resonance with the perpetrator (much more than the victim). Nowhere is it more overt than in the climax of "Pithamagan." The ganja businessman is long dead, and we still see Siththan just ravaging over him.
  
  To me, Bala's sensitivity towards his characters is unquestionable. The man has shown great conviction and sensitivity in etching down his characters. Be it Abitha's dad in "Sethu," sitting squat, hands folded, as Sivakumar advises her to agree for a marriage; or the "poli" Saamiyaar in "Pithamagan," Siththan-Sakthi's jail companion, evidently convicted for molestation of a girl, who not only makes friends with Sakthi but even has a tear to drop when Siththan returns back to the cell after being beaten to pulp! (Show me one other writer-director from the new crop whose supporting characters are so sensitively depicted.) Bala's concern for the "rights" and "wrongs" in a film for its most part is restricted to the "rights" and "wrongs" of his characters.
  
  That said, Bala isn't shy about saying that eventually the good wins over the evil (the "Adadaa" song comes to mind), like Roger Ebert put it in his review of "The Unforgiven." In this sense, he comes closest to Kamal Haasan. I call it the Mahabharat-like quality in a story.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 12 8:07:35 2007.

  Welcome equanimus
  
  Attam sUdu pidikkidhu
  
  Superb posts Kumar/PR/Equanimus
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Wed Sep 12 8:22:42 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Welcome equanimus Attam sUdu pidikkidhu Superb posts Kumar/PR/Equanimus

  
  
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 9:00:13 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  equanimus wrote: Ayyo, iruvaththanjaa? Dha... PattaaNi, namma reNdu perum bhai-bhai-i, brothers-u. Aaraayira rooba dhaan vaanginen, nadagam... irunvathanjundriyE tIk hai aarAyira rooba ippo tharAn..unnees aayiram appuram tharAn. unneesA ? arrE..pathambOdhAyiram oh ! hindi...

  
  Absolutely, Prabhu Ram. The way he goes, "oh, oh... Indhi!" (or, "achchA kaRuvAdu baai!"; or, "milk bikkee!") cracks me up every time. So much that I use these lines out of context in general conversion. And, yeah that's how it goes... "nAdagam flop aavum-nu engalukku theriyumA... IruvathanjundriyE ArAyiraththa!" The scene ends with the trademark, longdrawn laugh of Raju.
  
  On that note, I categorically desist the common notion of MMKR as "nice, family comedy" (as a compliment, of course), the context here being the offhanded piece of dialogue parodying communal harmony. In no other "family comedy," do you see a man and his father vying with each other to peep into a man's bedroom while spying on him, or a man giggle uncontrollably (the trademark grin of Kameshwaran here!) as a lady, who is actually his brother's lover, fall over him on a sofa!
  Of course, it doesn't overtly play out as a comedy that dwells with the unspeakable, but then, it hardly conforms to any restrictive or bourgeois "standards."
  The canvass of the film is huge. Masterful slapstick and hilarious lines, wonderful performances and exceptional mise-en-scène, everything about the movie stands out.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Disagree with the point about thePithamagan scene you mention. In the jail, when Laila and her father visit Surya, her father keeps hitting her. She is least bit perturbed. Now before this is interpreted as resignation, she retorts with the "loosAppA nee", which is becoming a household catchphrase. She is far far far from 'oppressed'. And even if you charge him with making "light work" of domestic violence, this was a very true depiction: showing it "as is" including the humour.

  
  
  True, I agree with you here as well. The line "loosAppA nee!" is part of the folklore already. (Please correct me if I am wrong, the expression "es aaradhu" also became a part of the colloquial lingo, after "Sethu.") Laila has a lot of such funny lines in "Pithamagan." In general, Bala came up with some of the most obscenely funny scenes in the recent past in "Pithamagan"!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 12 12:25:26 2007.

  And, thanks for the welcome, folks. For quite some time, I've been reading some wonderful discussions here!
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 3:44:16 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  If Guna is mentioned, can Kumar be far away and if Kumar is here, can Virumaandi be far away .

  
  
  It's official; I'm so predictable.
  
  
  
  

  Quote:

  She is least bit perturbed. Now before this is interpreted as resignation, she retorts with the "loosAppA nee", which is becoming a household catchphrase. She is far far far from 'oppressed'.

  
  
  I suppose my comments were mainly spurred on by my personal opinion on domestic violence, and violence against women in general. Yes, Laila's character didn't display any averse reactions- but is this art imitating life, or is this just a movie script being acted out? This is, after all, someone's story. Someone wrote this scene and decided that ithe character on the receiving end of a couple of slaps will just retort with a jibe.
  
  But I still share equanimus' admiration for Bala. (Belated greetings to equanimus; welcome, and great posts). Apart from this one issue, I think this man is one of the few 'new wave' directors, if you like, who (I hope) will continue take Tamil films to the next level.
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Kumar, This is entirely an aside note, I definitely concur with you about the way these kind of scenes are generally conceived. But, the insensitive usage of this very same situation over many, many films only shows that it's a huge cliché, and that it's depicted in a listlessly one-dimensional (and fake) manner in those films; not that it's a fake "feeling" (such a corny word to use, I agree!) or emotion as such.

  
  
  Yes, it is a huge cliche indeed. Pure fantasy if you like. Sometimes I do have to remind myself that the bulk of cinema patrons watch films to escape reality. I suppose these 'slap/love' scenes may just be the musings of some writer with an inflated ego (I'm soooooo hot that even when I slap a woman, she'll still fall for me.)
  Hmmm, there I go again with my grousing.....must be getting old
  
  
  But I digress.
  
  
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 4:15:42 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  At the same time, it is also never apologetic about any of Guna's deeds. The man is mad, it makes no fuss of it. He abets his uncle in a temple theft when effectively persuaded to do so, he kills a policeman by mistake and shows no remorse whatsoever. There's simply no moral to take home, so to say.

  
  
  I use to have an on-going argument with my friend who said that Guna should not have died in the end. I on the other hand,was expecting his death. There is a theory on Shakespearan plays which I think neatly ties into the the story of Guna and his inevitable demise; most of Shakespeare's plays are about conflict and resolution, and the 'balancing out' of things. i.e, if an act of crime is performed, the perpertator will pay for it. The unique selling point is that even if the protagonist is the perpertrator, or if his/her actions lead to a criminal act, he/she usually has to pay for it (eg Hamlet). Guna, despite his mental condition and circumstances, had to 'pay' for his actions, even though he was coerced by those around him (who eventually pay for their part).
  
  I also thought the ending was apt to the whole 'divine' theme; it was the end of Guna's avatar on earth and the time had come to return with his consort to Kailash.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Thu Sep 13 4:59:37 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  equanimus wrote: Kumar, This is entirely an aside note, I definitely concur with you about the way these kind of scenes are generally conceived. But, the insensitive usage of this very same situation over many, many films only shows that it's a huge cliché, and that it's depicted in a listlessly one-dimensional (and fake) manner in those films; not that it's a fake "feeling" (such a corny word to use, I agree!) or emotion as such. Yes, it is a huge cliche indeed. Pure fantasy if you like. Sometimes I do have to remind myself that the bulk of cinema patrons watch films to escape reality. I suppose these 'slap/love' scenes may just be the musings of some writer with an inflated ego (I'm soooooo hot that even when I slap a woman, she'll still fall for me.) Hmmm, there I go again with my grousing.....must be getting old

  
  
  Kumar,
  I surely concur with you here when you call it a pure fantasy, the musings of some writer with an inflated ego, of the I'm-soooooo-hot-that-even-when-I-slap-a-woman-she'll-still-fall-for-me variety. Add to this that the hero is always represented as a macho man who'll let go off anything in his life except his "veeram."
  My point was in general, about the "socially regressive" scenarios that we see in Tamil cinema which do not care much to represent gender equality, women liberalization etc. Of course, I was playing the devil's advocate here, but it'd be too indulgent on my part to be bought off by this theory of "truths" and advocate the possibility of bizarre kinds of scenarios like this one! I raised the question whether the 'slap/love' "feeling" is "fake" or not only for discussion's sake. It's more of an obsessional behavior than a "traditional Tamil woman-like" behavior. And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general.
  If one tries to have an overall perspective in matters like gender inequality etc. in a real context, all the idealistic positions will only alienate us from truth.
  On a not-so-unrelated note, the juxtaposition of scenes from Anandan-Pushpa's marriage life and Thamizhchelvan-Maragadham's marriage life in Iruvar with Maragadham brings out a similar kind of irony beautifully.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Sep 13 5:36:30 2007.

  Quote:

  On a not-so-unrelated note, the juxtaposition of scenes from Anandan-Pushpa's marriage life and Thamizhchelvan-Maragadham's marriage life in Iruvar with Maragadham brings out a similar kind of irony beautifully.

  
  
  That was sheer beauty. Iruvar has wonderfully conceived characters and Mani weaves a wonderful plot striking us at different levels!
  
  End digression.
  
  I thought "Virumandi" has that scene when Abhirami drops a water-filled pot on Sandiyar, she picks up a fight, one has to look at the way Kamal reacts back like a typical rural boor, and She always tries to respond back like a typical rural woman. No glossy touches.. I thought it was perfectly done..
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 6:25:10 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general.

  
  
  Tell me about it. Whenever I chance upon a review for a Tamil 'romance' movie, I roll my eyes as soon as the reviewer attempts to describe the movie as 'new' or 'innovative'.
  
  
  

  Quote:

  If one tries to have an overall perspective in matters like gender inequality etc. in a real context, all the idealistic positions will only alienate us from truth.

  
  Fair enough.
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 6:38:51 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  I thought "Virumandi" has that scene when Abhirami drops a water-filled pot on Sandiyar, she picks up a fight, one has to look at the way Kamal reacts back like a typical rural boor, and She always tries to respond back like a typical rural woman. No glossy touches.. I thought it was perfectly done..

  
  
  Yet another strong woman character. Like you said, Annalakshmi is no pushover. She's about the only level-headed person in Kothala Dhevar's household (or possibly in the village). Kothala is no match for her intelligence and shrewdness (see PR's discussion on this a few pages back)-- he's only able to 'subdue' her through brute force. And she's literally Viru's saving grace who pulls him into line and is his conscience; she's a gentle lover, but will never hesitate to come to his level if a point has to be made.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Thu Sep 13 7:39:39 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  equanimus wrote: And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general. Tell me about it. Whenever I chance upon a review for a Tamil 'romance' movie, I roll my eyes as soon as the reviewer attempts to describe the movie as 'new' or 'innovative'.

  
  
  I don't quite get what you mean. Is it the so-called 'normal' love stories that makes you roll your eyes or my statement about them?
  I was saying that the love stories we see in Tamil films border towards the "obsessional." Both the hero and heroine simply refuse to think beyond each other. If it's oru thalai kaadhal (as the case is with the 'slap/love' scenario), invariably the kaaadhalar would go to unthinkable extents to just make the other person realise his/her love for her/him. And, all along, things like self-esteem and pragmatism won't even figure in the scheme of things.
  
  For the last time, pardon the digression.
  
  
  

  thilak4life wrote:

  I thought "Virumandi" has that scene when Abhirami drops a water-filled pot on Sandiyar, she picks up a fight, one has to look at the way Kamal reacts back like a typical rural boor, and She always tries to respond back like a typical rural woman. No glossy touches.. I thought it was perfectly done..

  
  
  Thilak,
  Yeah, Virumaandi grabs her by the throat when he can't take it anymore. Virumaandi's Annalatchumi is one of the best-written woman characters in recent years, if not the best; and quite easily the best female performance over the past few years.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 13 14:03:12 2007.

  I think Virumaandi is the movie of the past weeks in this thread!
  
  and Annalakshmi is [one of the] the best [woman]character of the decade
  
  cha, howmany times i hav seen viru and never realised that director has shown such a gr8 woman char, and infact the story revolves around her too.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Sep 13 14:11:37 2007.

  There is something more about the character. Kamal the writer has always taken care of his characterizations, and respects everyone of 'em. I believe there is a mythological allegory here, and would be grateful if someone deconstructs and propose it here. It's mindblowing to think of it...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 13 14:31:42 2007.

  i dunno if any myth is there but the "annalachumi" which u hear in the "karumathoor kattukkulle" song, is not that stronger or makes any significance in the song. but the real anna is, man, too great
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Sep 13 14:35:48 2007.

  Sakala, it's not 'myth' as we know the term. It's about the 'mythology' reference/symbolism that Kamal intended...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 13 14:46:14 2007.

  oh ok, it wud sound better to call it as hidden nuances\hidden point ect
  
  

• From: Kumar on Thu Sep 13 19:17:55 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Kumar wrote: equanimus wrote: And, in any case, the supposedly "normal" love stories in Tamil cinema have always bordered towards the "obsessional," in general. Tell me about it. Whenever I chance upon a review for a Tamil 'romance' movie, I roll my eyes as soon as the reviewer attempts to describe the movie as 'new' or 'innovative'. I don't quite get what you mean. Is it the so-called 'normal' love stories that makes you roll your eyes or my statement about them? I was saying that the love stories we see in Tamil films border towards the "obsessional." Both the hero and heroine simply refuse to think beyond each other. If it's oru thalai kaadhal (as the case is with the 'slap/love' scenario), invariably the kaaadhalar would go to unthinkable extents to just make the other person realise his/her love for her/him. And, all along, things like self-esteem and pragmatism won't even figure in the scheme of things. For the last time, pardon the digression. .

  
  
  Sorry friend, I should have made myself clearer. My eye-rolling is directed towards the "romantic movies" in general, not your (well written) analysis. I think you've got it down to a 'T'.
  
  I'm just being a grumpy ol' movie fan who is looking for something new in Tamil cinema. Anyway, I'm enjoying your posts-- keep it coming.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 14 1:30:20 2007.

  Lovely posts Kumar and equanimus.
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  On that note, I categorically desist the common notion of MMKR as "nice, family comedy..............Of course, it doesn't overtly play out as a comedy that dwells with the unspeakable, but then, it hardly conforms to any restrictive or bourgeois "standards.

  Very interesting perspective. I am suddenly able to recall some other parts too. Like AvinAshi's : "sowriyamA irungO"
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 4:17:14 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Lovely posts Kumar and equanimus. equanimus wrote: On that note, I categorically desist the common notion of MMKR as "nice, family comedy..............Of course, it doesn't overtly play out as a comedy that dwells with the unspeakable, but then, it hardly conforms to any restrictive or bourgeois "standards. Very interesting perspective. I am suddenly able to recall some other parts too. Like AvinAshi's : "sowriyamA irungO"

  
  
  Absolutely, Prabhu Ram. "Idhula enna sowwriyam?! First night-la mooNu pEr nAn kEttadhE illai..."
  Also to be noted is how the paatti almost pushes Nagesh onto the bed ("Neenga okkArungO!"), and also hands over the paal sombu to Nagesh, "Oothi kudungO!"
  The setpiece of three-in-bed is established even in the most offhanded strokes of the brush, so brilliantly.
  The dialogue exchange between Kameshwaran and Mani Iyer across the closed door in the first night scene also comes to mind. Kameshwaran asks, "ThappillaiyA?" Mani Iyer, replies, "aEi.. thappilla dA!"
  Kameshwaran: "avaLukkum Ok-vAm... AnA, nEkkennavo thappA thAn thOnaRadhu!"
  Mani Iyer: "nee Athiyam... nee avaLai... idhu... eppadi solRadhu..."
  Such dilaogue between a dad and his son! The dad is at total loss of words, as he expects at least this much from his son. When Kameshwaran asks him if it's fine to do it, he even goes on to say, "aey, nee eththana cinema paathirukkAi!"
  
  In the penultimate sequence in Madan Mahal, again, Kameshwaran is all over the place having to do something or the other with almost every woman he chances upon. When Sakubai comes in to the scene and pines, he embraces her too, for a moment! Then, Gangabai sings the 'Sivarathiri' song to make him recollect his affair with Sakubai; she puts in a few dance steps too, and, again, Kameshwaran chips in by holding her and strikes a trademark "romantic" pose with her!
  The comic subversion here is telling. I'd even go a step further and say that it's a bit superficial to take Kameshwaran's "disclaimer" ("pomnAtti karanjA nEkku thAngAdhu kettayA..." ) at face value considering how easily he "gives in" in these scenes.
  Kameshwaran is a man who hasn't pursued many women in his life ("nAn vEroru pomnAttiya Ereduthu pAthadhum kedaiyAdhu kettayA..."), but he surely has a very soft spot for them, albeit he isn't aware of it himself (perhaps, it slowly dawns upon him when he says, "ayyuyyo, ennadhidhu marubadiyum adhayE sollindirukkEn!" ) That is to say, when the paatti chides him, "nannA pEr vechAn ungappan 'Kameshwaran' 'nu... kAmAndhagAra!" she isn't far from being right!
  
  Coming back to the original point, my grouse here is somewhat similar to the complaint many might have with the lazy classification of Wodehouse as a "white" humourist. There isn't a domain which the master has refrained from making fun of, but he's often cited as as master of classical form of humour, as if to distinguish him from the modern humourists who dealt with dark/black humour far more overtly, and, perhaps, even in a self-conscious way.
  Likewise with MMKR, the various levels of hilarity which MMKR brings out is amazing. I can go on and on.... but then, another favourite character of mine would cut me short and say, comedy-nna anubavikkaNum, ArAya koodAdhu!
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Fri Sep 14 4:22:32 2007.

  nice, very nice equanimus!
  
  appadiye andha scenes ellam kannuku munnadi kondu vandhuteenga
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Fri Sep 14 4:45:54 2007.

  wow Equanimous.
  
  Kamal padatha paarthu valarndha balaginamana koottam! Welcome to the club!
  
  BTW, MMKR's greatness is lost in Translation in other languages (watched it in telugu, and thought it missed a chunk of Crazy-Kamal's magic). But it still manages to impress. That speaks about the structure and the narrative. Probably the best comedy film, and my favorite too..
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Sep 14 4:55:15 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Kamal padatha paarthu valarndha balaginamana koottam! ..

  
  
  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 4:59:51 2007.

  All concerned,
  arumayAna discussions
  Keep them coming...
  
  -edited-
  
  

• From: cancer on Fri Sep 14 5:06:26 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  <Dig> P.S: Aandavar's interview at Sun TV tomorrow (is it 8 AM Singapore time, Joe?). And is it the same intree that Kalaignar TV is telecasting? </Dig>

  
  
  athu eppadinga same interview aa irukka mudium..
  
  rendu perum thani thani business panna venangalaaa???
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 5:09:33 2007.

  Cancer,
  
  idhukku thAn padichavanga vENumngaradhu
  adhAvadhu, eppadi message-a edit paNrEnnu mattum pArungO
  
  

• From: cancer on Fri Sep 14 5:11:42 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Cancer, adhAvadhu, eppadi message-a edit paNrEnnu mattum pArungO

  
  
  
  
  
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 14 7:47:28 2007.

  Great Post equanimus. There is PGW thread wilting somewhere in the literature section, hope you get active there too.

  equanimus wrote:

  When Kameshwaran asks him if it's fine to do it, he even goes on to say, "aey, nee eththana cinema paathirukkAi!"

  
  K: nAdOdi mannan cinemAvula varrApla irukku.
  M: nEkku adhu theriyAdhu
  
  In any double meaning dialogue, one party will seem completely oblivious to the other meaning that we are all aware of (and hence enjoy the humor). But many times the set-up is too incredible and contrived (like how would this not occure to him, etc.) But this scene is spotlesss.
  KamEswaran says: "..avaLaiyum koottindu ...(talking softly) pEsAme bengAloor pOyittu varalAngriyA. (Had Mani Iyer heard this, the joke is over)
  When the Mani Iyer doesn't understand the reference to nAdoDi mannan, Kameswaran explains: "adhula ippidi varumE"....sshowing with the hands the interchange.
  The door is pretty much everything in that scene. Perhaps why the scene begins (pAtti and avinashi entering into it - must see the look on the unsuspecting K's face ) and ends (paatti:"done !" ) with the door.
  

  equanimus wrote:

  I can go on and on....

  please do
  

  equanimus wrote:

  but then, another favourite character of mine would cut me short and say, comedy-nna anubavikkaNum, ArAya koodAdhu!

  neenga aarainga...naanga anubavikkarOm
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 8:03:52 2007.

  Thanks, folks.
  
  

  thilak4life wrote:

  Kamal padatha paarthu valarndha balaginamana koottam! Welcome to the club!

  
  
  Of course! yArukkumE avvalO manObalam kedaiyAdhu, Thilak...
  
  Trivia question: How does Nagesh come to know of Kameshwaran?
  Answer: Only because Varadhukkutti who always has it going with his kashkam, lifts his hand to scratch it at the right time!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 8:08:29 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Trivia question: How does Nagesh come to know of Kameshwaran? Answer: Only because Varadhukkutti who always has it going with his kashkam, lifts his hand to scratch it at the right time!

  
  
  innikkE pOi andha jAnavAsam scene-a pAkkarEn!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Sep 14 8:10:27 2007.

  cancer wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: <Dig> P.S: Aandavar's interview at Sun TV tomorrow (is it 8 AM Singapore time, Joe?). And is it the same intree that Kalaignar TV is telecasting? </Dig> athu eppadinga same interview aa irukka mudium.. rendu perum thani thani business panna venangalaaa???

  
  
  Bala,
  
  I think that is an old interview with Vijay Saradhi. Not a worthy one
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 8:10:47 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  BTW, MMKR's greatness is lost in Translation in other languages (watched it in telugu, and thought it missed a chunk of Crazy-Kamal's magic). But it still manages to impress. That speaks about the structure and the narrative. Probably the best comedy film, and my favorite too..

  
  
  It's hands down (no pun intended!) the best Indian comedy in my books. I adore slice-of-life comedies myself, but then, as some wise man said, great comedians just make great comedies, others go and take slices of life.
  
  I do agree that it got lost in translation. But, the process of translation itself was not up to the mark. I've watched some parts of the Telugu version, but not in full. I think most of the 'loss' there should be attributed to careless writing and dubbing. It's not as if they were really serious about the Telugu version. Like it happens with the dubbing of any usual Tamil film, nobody must have been around. With someone like Jandhyala as the writer and the actors lip-synching for themselves, I'm sure it'd have worked much better.
  
  Now, for a long, entirely pointless musing about the Crazy-Kamal combo. You're sufficiently warned!
  
  I am a HUGE fan of Crazy Mohan. I grew up with Kamal Haasan, 'Crazy' Mohan and MMKR, and used to feel smug about knowing that [-edited-] Singeetam and Crazy Mohan were the significant men behind the film, when most of the junta didn't even know about either of them. I used to think Crazy Mohan's contribution was very significant to the film.[-edited-] This is a belief which many hold now, but I don't, not as much. More one sees MMKR, more one would realise that it's not Crazy Mohan's pen that made it what it is. On the other hand, I think Singeetam's contribution is painfully underrated. He is one of my favourite directors and just for Pushpak, Aboorva Sagodharargal and MMKR, he is right up there among the best. There is something funny even in his frames. The craft is oustanding. Not in every Crazy-Kamal comedy does one get to see even blink-and-you-will-miss characters making a mark for themselves. Like the watchman who comes for a moment in the "comedy track" of Aboorva Sagodharargal. ("Neenga pudinga, naa saaptuttu irukkenla!" )
  
  Crazy Mohan's dialogue, on the other hand, is all about verbal humour which fits him perfectly fine in his stage plays. In those plays, there's no greater inherent design to accommodates all the humour that is in there. In fact, in most cases, there are only two disparate things -- the lines that drive the plot and the lines that are funny.
  This is why his humour doesn't work that well in films. If one lets him write for screen, it simply goes haywire (with due respects, I might even drop a tear or two, as I say this!). ThEdinEn Vandhadhu or Jery anyone? They have a few brilliant lines too, like a twisted version of a pazhamozhi in the latter: "nAlai nadappadhu Nana Patekar seyal!" Context: Goundamani refuses to start Hindi classes today, says that he'll start tomorrow, and muses, "Naalai nadappadhu Narayanan seyal." His Hindi student retorts back, "IdhayAvadhu Hindi-la sollak koodAthA?" He quickly says, "[i]Sari, Nana Patekar seyal!", but the overarching play with words and pretty much nothing else in place makes them terrible, terrible films. So, let's leave non-Kamal ventures of Crazy Mohan aside.
  
  If one compares MMKR with other Crazy-Kamal comedies like Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa, one'll find that the humour in the dialogue of the former seldom comes from its words as such, where as, the latter is all about the words. While the former has only very few trademark Crazy Mohan lines -- like "Thiruppi vechAlum, nimirthu vechAlum thiruttu thiruttu dhAn, theriyumA?" "Appan kudhirukkulla illai 'nnu appantayE sollindu irukkAi nee" -- the latter is simply Crazy Mohan's show with Kamal and other actors just pitching in with performances that are usually superb. (Mouli's timing, for example, is extraordinary. "Ivaru dhAn un chiththappA, AnA nee ivara mAmA 'nnum kooppidalAm!" )
  In case of MMKR, I'd positively say that the funniest lines wouldn't have come from Crazy Mohan's pen at all.
  
  Just take the standout sequence (in a film that's so full of standout sequences!) that ensues when Raju comes to Madan Mahal for the first time with Shalini ("Thannila nenchi paakanume!" Watch out for Nagesh's reaction here!), Shalini's "daddy" and Bheem.
  This is virtually a showdown of two comedic stalwarts, Nagesh and Kamal Haasan. Every single line is an absolute cracker here, but none of it bears the 'Crazy' Mohan stamp.
  
  Which is why PKS stands out for me (despite its underwhelming parts) from other lesser comedies like Panchathanthiram and Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa. (Thenali or Vasoolraja won't figure even in my second tier.) A Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa or a Panchathanthiram never gets out of its verbal mode, but a PKS is weaved in a much more intricate fashion. The whole is more than the sum of its parts. The humour is so natural and spontaneous. Whenever I quote one of my favourite lines from the film, people find it just nondescript or too bland (well, that's why it's funny!). But, to me, that's comic genius. PKS responding to Janaki's remark with a deadpan face: "Illinga. Idhu Biskothu, idhu bigil." That cracks me up every darn time.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 8:13:30 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Bala, I think that is an old interview with Vijay Saradhi. Not a worthy one

  
  
  Sun TV and Vijay Sarathy
  
  Vijay Sarathy is the worst interviewer in this planet
  
  Sun TV - remba nalla competition with Kalaignar TV.. superabbu
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 8:26:40 2007.

  Equanimus,
  I'm getting tired of saying this Fantastic post!
  
  Request: More on why PKS's humor stands out from 5Tricks and KK with examples please ...(i also like PKS better than these two)
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  This is a belief which many hold now, but I don't, not as much. More one sees MMKR, more one would realise that it's not Crazy Mohan's pen that made it what it is. On the other hand, I think Singeetam's contribution is painfully underrated.

  
  
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  He is one of my favourite directors and just for Pushpak, Aboorva Sagodharargal and MMKR, he is right up there among the best. There is something funny even in his frames. The craft is oustanding. Not in every Crazy-Kamal comedy does one get to see even blink-and-you-will-miss characters making a mark for themselves. Like the watchman who comes for a moment in the "comedy track" of Aboorva Sagodharargal. ("Neenga pudinga, naa saaptuttu irukkenla!" )

  
  I thought i was the only one who finds that scene damn funny.
  To add one more scene: The bald sidekick to Nagesh signalling to the group of men with his thundu to "attack" Raaja just before the fight scene.
  You are dead right that there is some trademark SSR humor in all his films - Pushpak, MMKR, AS and even MX
  
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Crazy Mohan's dialogue, on the other hand, is all about verbal humour which fits him perfectly fine in his stage plays. In those plays, there's no greater inherent design to accommodates all the humour that is in there. In fact, in most cases, there are only two disparate things -- the lines that drive the plot and the lines that are funny. This is why his humour doesn't work that well in films. If one lets him write for screen, it simply goes haywire (with due respects, I might even drop a tear or two, as I say this!). ThEdinEn Vandhadhu or Jery anyone? They have some brilliant lines too. Like a twisted version of a pazhamozhi in the latter: "nAlai nadappadhu Nana Patekar seyal!" Context: Goundamani refuses to start Hindi classes today, says that he'll start tomorrow, and muses, "Naalai nadappadhu Narayanan seyal." His Hindi student retorts back, "IdhayAvadhu Hindi-la sollak koodAthA?" He quickly says, "[i]Sari, Nana Patekar seyal!" If one compares MMKR with other Crazy-Kamal comedies like Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa, one'll find that the humour in the dialogue of the former seldom comes from its words as such, where as, the latter is all about the words. While the former has only very few trademark Crazy Mohan lines -- like "Thiruppi vechAlum, nimirthu vechAlum thiruttu thiruttu dhAn, theriyumA?" "Appan kudhirukkulla illai 'nnu appantayE sollindu irukkAi nee" -- the latter is simply Crazy Mohan's show. I'd positively say that the funniest lines of MMKR wouldn't have come from Crazy Mohan's pen at all. Just take the standout sequence (in a film that's so full of standout sequences!) that ensues when Raju comes to Madan Mahal for the first time with Shalini ("Thannila nenchi paakanume!" Watch out for Nagesh's reaction here!), Shalini's "daddy" and Bheem. This is virtually a showdown of two comedic stalwarts, Nagesh and Kamal Haasan. Every single line is an absolute cracker here, but none of it bears the 'Crazy' Mohan stamp.

  
  Superb!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 9:19:59 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  But many times the set-up is too incredible and contrived (like how would this not occure to him, etc.) But this scene is spotlesss. KamEswaran says: "..avaLaiyum koottindu ...(talking softly) pEsAme bengAloor pOyittu varalAngriyA. (Had Mani Iyer heard this, the joke is over) When the Mani Iyer doesn't understand the reference to nAdoDi mannan, Kameswaran explains: "adhula ippidi varumE"....sshowing with the hands the interchange. The door is pretty much everything in that scene. Perhaps why the scene begins (pAtti and avinashi entering into it - must see the look on the unsuspecting K's face ) and ends (paatti:"done !" ) with the door.

  
  
  Very true, Prabhu Ram. I thought of also mentioning about how convincingly the sequence is done with Kamal and Delhi Ganesh talking through a closed door. Thanks for pointing it out. Kamal's mention about 'Nadodi Mannan' when his dad asks if he hasn't seen this kind of thing in movies and the way that's carried out was also spot-on.
  You don't see that anybody is making it all out so that the audience get some jokes. That is to say that the paatti's idea is a genuine and very smart.
  Delhi Ganesh who's supposed to give his verdict on the issue obviously can't spell it out, while Kameshwaran assumes that his dad knows the issue.
  
  All this discussion is about a sequence that roughly goes for 4 minutes or so. I simply don't know what these guys were drinking as they wrote and filmed these sequences!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 9:40:13 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  equanimus wrote: He is one of my favourite directors and just for Pushpak, Aboorva Sagodharargal and MMKR, he is right up there among the best. There is something funny even in his frames. The craft is oustanding. Not in every Crazy-Kamal comedy does one get to see even blink-and-you-will-miss characters making a mark for themselves. Like the watchman who comes for a moment in the "comedy track" of Aboorva Sagodharargal. ("Neenga pudinga, naa saaptuttu irukkenla!" ) I thought i was the only one who finds that scene damn funny.

  
  
  I love the comedy track of Aboorva Sagodharargal. I love the way Kamal says one of his lines in this scene: "nikkaRa vaNdiya da!"
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  To add one more scene: The bald sidekick to Nagesh signalling to the group of men with his thundu to "attack" Raaja just before the fight scene. You are dead right that there is some trademark SSR humor in all his films - Pushpak, MMKR, AS and even MX

  
  
  Aamaam, aamaam! The thundu scene is hilarious. The way he blurts out finally, "pOnnga dA!"
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 14 9:45:54 2007.

  Well, IMO Aboorva Sagodharargal is the best made masala entertainer ever. Period.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 9:59:33 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  I am a HUGE fan of Crazy Mohan. I grew up with Kamal Haasan, 'Crazy' Mohan and MMKR, and used to feel smug about knowing that Crazy Mohan was a significant man (if not the most significant) behind the film, when most of the junta didn't even know about 'Crazy' Mohan. This is a belief which many hold now, but I don't, not as much.

  
  
  Whoa, whoa, what sin I've committed! How did I miss Singeetam when I talk about how I grew up with MMKR?! I've always been a huge fan of him.
  I think I missed to mention him as the point was particularly about the role of Crazy Mohan in the film. Edited appropriately.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 14 10:07:43 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Trivia question: How does Nagesh come to know of Kameshwaran? Answer: Only because Varadhukkutti who always has it going with his kashkam, lifts his hand to scratch it at the right time!

  What a.....perspective !
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Just take the standout sequence (in a film that's so full of standout sequences!) that ensues when Raju comes to Madan Mahal for the first time with Shalini

  awesome bunch of scenes
  neenga inga vElai paakkureengaLA ?
  ellAm unga dhayavula
  
  Raju: like like same same...
  'daddy' Sivaram: (having achieved interruption of the moment, makes polite convesation) own house-A
  
  The cherry is mentioning reference to AnbE Vaa to Nagesh himself !
  sari unnAnda solli inna panradhu....
  

  equanimus wrote:

  "Thannila nenchi paakanume!" ROTFL

  Just noticed when watching this weekend. In that scene, Kushboo is constantly feeling the arms of her blouse for the dampness. : notworthy:
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Equanimus, I'm getting tired of saying this Twisted Evil Fantastic post! Not Worthy

  
  
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Sep 14 10:16:16 2007.

  Great posts equanimus !! I don't have the time to join in the fun, but I hope to come back later..
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri Sep 14 10:32:36 2007.

  Just to add: that MMKR drips of trademark Kamal-Singeetham touches can be seen as early as during the credits. As the lines "vanjagar kangalil mannayum thoovi.." play out in the background, we have Kamal's mother (I keep forgetting her name..) literally throw sand into the eyes of her pursuers. What genius..!!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 11:04:59 2007.

  Request-laam periya vaarthai, Bala... but anyway, ennoda thoughts on PKS.
  
  Sufficient warnings first:
  
  I am big fan of PKS, the character; and intend to start a cult following for him in the future when the necessary faculties are at my disposal. I don't mean to suggest that he's as influential as The Dude of 'The Big Lebowski,' but he's "The Tamil Dude" for me! On that note, I must say, Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters (half-wit sounds more appropriate than dimwit to me) that Kamal has played -- and PKS wouldn't mind that all, but I tend to think PKS is the most well-realised Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit (half-wit, the most important qualifier here!) Kamal has ever played.
  
  PKS, the film, was a Kamal Haasan show all the way. He lifts a run-of-the-mill film with a frivolous premise with his sheer presence and comedic timing. It was like a master going on a vacation, but still can't stop being so fantastic. The treatment is so laidback and low-key, and there are definitely quite a lot of stock sequences (like the totally unnecessary, unfunny road chase sequence before the climax in the police station) that pulls the movie down, but overall, I'd say it's underrated. The form of humour it dealt with was commendable and unique.
  
  The flow of sequences in PKS to begin with. The humour is so spontaneous, natural and entirely driven by the situation. I think Mouli should take a fair share of credit for this.
  Though there are many good examples to pick, let me pick the "Royapuram Sivan" shooting sequence. A total riot and captures the way PKS's mind works wonderfully. I love the way Kamal explains all his difficulties why he isn't able to give a good performance! (TP Gajendran remarks, "idhellAm nallA pesu, dialogue kuduthA mattum pesAdha!" And the way PKS starts out explaining that too, "adhu En therima...?" ) And, the way he taunts his co-artist, "DhOdA! Unakku somersault adikka therima?" (Unfortunately, the later part of the sequence goes the obvious way of farce, so to say, with Sammandham chasing the bull and all that.)
  Almost all those scenes where Kamal "helps" Abbas with his various ideas ("Idhenna comedy scene-aa? Serious-aa irukkanum ma!" he tells the lady who acts as Abbas's Kallakkaadhali ) and some of the scenes with PKS and his bunch of acolytes in the lodge and in the hospital were all great fun.
  
  PKS: "ennadA orange juice sududhA, Aththiginu irukka?"
  Vaiyapuri: "nAnAvadhu Athittirukken, nee EdhO penAthittirukkarA mAari irukku!"
  PKS: "enukku eppadi irukku therimA, neenga ellAm Edho doubul meaning-la pesarA mAri irukku!"
  
  The absurdism that runs through these lines totally captivates me. The lines are so absurd, but yet precisely strikes the right chord with the scene.
  
  Of course, we have PKS's words of wisdom, the pazhamozhigal:
  "kAthAdikku kooda dhAn vAl irukku, adhukkAga korangu parakkumA!" (the holiest of holies, saying which the Dude himself is visibily overjoyed! )
  "Super pazhamozhi, master! summA varuvAlA sugumAri, thirinyum uzhudA sOmAri 'nnAnnAn!" (The first part itself is so sublime, so the stunt master must take a lot of credit here.)
  "kEkkaradhu kadambAkki, kaila thuppAkki 'nnAnnAn!"
  "Ivanga mattum... umm, vedam sAththAn OdharAngO!"
  "singathOda thalaiya seeppAla vArriyA?"
  "oru soththap pallukkAga sothaiye pirikkuradhA?"
  
  Last but not the least, the way a pokerfaced PKS reflects on existential philosophy, "Idhu biskothu, idhu bigil."
  
  Caveat note: Personally, I feel all these off-kilter material came straight out of Kamal Haasan's head, but I may be wrong as well. My idea of "trademark Crazy Mohan" does tend to limit his artistry, but then his plays and the films for which we wrote the dialogue are all what I have to "get" his artistry. I've had the opportunity to meet him, but I couldn't manage to discuss much. I hope I get another chance soon... If I'm proven wrong, I'd only be glad.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 11:08:54 2007.

  kannannn wrote:

  Just to add: that MMKR drips of trademark Kamal-Singeetham touches can be seen as early as during the credits. As the lines "vanjagar kangalil mannayum thoovi.." play out in the background, we have Kamal's mother (I keep forgetting her name..) literally throw sand into the eyes of her pursuers. What genius..!!

  
  
  Oh, yes! Oh, yes!! The title sequence is a work of art. I've lost count of the various tropes that MMKR serves as a throwback to, and, perhaps more importantly, so fondly pays homage to.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Fri Sep 14 11:36:31 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  neenga inga vElai paakkureengaLA ? ellAm unga dhayavula ............... Raju: like like same same... 'daddy' Sivaram: (having achieved interruption of the moment, makes polite convesation) own house-A ............... The cherry is mentioning reference to AnbE Vaa to Nagesh himself ! sari unnAnda solli inna panradhu....

  
  
  
  "Indha Arumugam ogay dhAna?"
  The Anbe Vaa reference is so cool and superbly placed.
  
  On that note, there's a throwaway piece of dialogue in PKS, when Abbas is supposed to drive around in bike with his "kallakkaadhali" in front of Sneha, his wife, which he does as instructed, but wearing a helmet! PKS responds in style:
  
  Ippadi mugamudi pOttunu ponA?! en uththama puthrA!
  
  Obviously, a reference to Sivaji's Uthama Puthiran.
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Fri Sep 14 14:10:58 2007.

  katradhu kai alavu
  kallaadhadhu CELL alavu ....
  
  oru marukka marakka mudiyaadha unmai
  azhagaaga eduthu sonna Kamal ji
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Sep 14 21:03:58 2007.

  equanimus,
  
  ! Great to have hubbers like u, belated welcome to hub! after reading ur posts i thot "ukkaantho yosipeeingalo" and also thot "engiruthu thaan kelambi varraingalo" i mean, if not personal in anyways, wud u tell me how u discovered this place?
  
  We have similar guys like Bala\Prabu Raam, kannann, kumar and few more. But they initially were normal hubbers like any one of us and later, slowly, gradually, they pricked the crown from us and weared onto their head. But u seem to grab that frm us too early! AS PR said, unga aaraichi enga anubavathirkaaga!
  
  We have another wonderful guy Randy who created a spl blog for kamalji[now bala joined him]. i was thinking of pulling him too, into this space.
  
  ps: bala aka cr_rajkumar!
  
  

• From: Kumar on Fri Sep 14 22:18:59 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Request-laam periya vaarthai, Bala... but anyway, ennoda thoughts on PKS. Sufficient warnings first: I am big fan of PKS, the character; and intend to start a cult following for him in the future when the necessary faculties are at my disposal.

  
  
  OMG!! If you do start a following, I'll sign up for sure. I think he's one of the better characters Kamal has given life to.
  
  One of the reasons why I like PKS (the movie) is the marriage of great dialogue and perfect timing. Kamal's delivery is perfect; he's deadpan when needed, and he's about the only actor that can look genuinely blank! Like you said, PKS the character, is the best "realised Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit (half-wit, the most important qualifier here!) Kamal has ever played".
  
  
  

  Quote:

  The flow of sequences in PKS to begin with. The humour is so spontaneous, natural and entirely driven by the situation. I think Mouli should take a fair share of credit for this.

  
  
  Exactly. The lines are delivered in a very conversational method (not shouted out like some deliberate comedy tracks). Add to that Kamal's knack of inserting the perfect pitch, volume, intonation, etc at the right time. And Mouli has a great appreciation of medic timing and delivery.
  
  The scene following the divorce settlement cracks me up each time I see it:
  
  Kamal: Passing-u cloud-a??
  Abbas: Naanthaanne athu.
  Kamal:Aah! Avalo English-u theriyum yenneku..... (then greets Sneha by saying) No mention, ma................
  
  and
  
  Simran: ..............stupid! Ridiculous!!
  Kamal:Inna?!!Stupid-a?!Nee yenna sonalum naa kaetekenumma? Dont put word in my mouth-u! Vaartei pudunggathe-dren!
  Simran:What??
  Kamal:Inna, thappa? Correct-u thaana naan sonadhu?
  Abbas:Correct-u, aana 's' vitingge
  Kamal: Adhuyen vuduvaana....Don't put word in my mouths-u!!
  
  PS: My apologies, if my reproduction of dialogue is not up to par and if my romanised Tamil is not that good....
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Sat Sep 15 0:40:50 2007.

  A scene in Aboorva Sagodarargal was so fabulous..
  Kamal's recations to Srividhya 's comments about his size (to Mouli) was sooooooooo great..
  that was a touching scene made even more awesome by brilliant IR's BGM..
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Sep 16 4:38:08 2007.

  Equanimus lovely post on PKS. After reading your post I feel I have watched only half the film !
  
  Germ traced to Avvai Shanmugi:
  Viswanathayyar: ChellappAvukkum Mudaliarukkum enna dA sammandham ?
  Sethuraamayyar: sammandham irukkuNNA...sammandha mudaliyAr
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters

  
  hey ! sabAs... nallavarundra... ? my favourite quotable quote
  

  equanimus wrote:

  "DhOdA! Unakku somersault adikka therima?"

  that's a killer ! Left to you to imagine the portly green pArvati attempting a back-flip.
  
  The earnestness when PKS rsponds to Yuhi Sethu's "record break" in the jewellery shop is just great. Even in the poignant rejection scene he steals the show with "innA cinemAvE paakkAdha valandhuttOmnu nenekkireengaLA ?"
  
  One other unfunny line which somehow has me splits is "ent" doctor Crazy's : "kEttA dhAn kaadhu.....kEkkAtti shevidu". I can't even explain why I laugh for that even as I am typing this.
  
  

  equanimus wrote:

  I feel all these off-kilter material came straight out of Kamal Haasan's head, but I may be wrong as well.

  I think so too. The pazhamozhi thing can be seen in MaharAsan too. But one shouldn't bother comparing him with PKS who is miles ahead. (A distant second is the pazhamozhi thaathA in SV ShEkar's periya thambi, but he gets irritating after a while)
  
  Was watching the forgettable MaharAsan last night. One movie even Kamal couldn't save. The pazhamozhi speaker who excels in PKS is found there as an ill-developed mass. And of course some sparkles here and there, particularly with Goundamani. GM-Kamal are a rather good but undernoticed tag team.
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Mon Sep 17 4:39:50 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  The earnestness when PKS rsponds to Yuhi Sethu's "record break" in the jewellery shop is just great.

  
  
  My favorite Need to watch the film again
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Sep 17 16:52:15 2007.

  
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4087586315191254476
  
  Kaadhal Raagam
  
  

• From: anoops on Mon Sep 17 23:29:50 2007.

  Kumar wrote:

  Simran: ..............stupid! Ridiculous!! Kamal:Inna?!!Stupid-a?!Nee yenna sonalum naa kaetekenumma? Dont put word in my mouth-u! Vaartei pudunggathe-dren! Simran:What?? Kamal:Inna, thappa? Correct-u thaana naan sonadhu? Abbas:Correct-u, aana 's' vitingge Kamal: Adhuyen vuduvaana....Don't put word in my mouths-u!! PS: My apologies, if my reproduction of dialogue is not up to par and if my romanised Tamil is not that good....

  
  
  right after this, when they get down the stairs, a typist is typing all that kamal is saying and he asks alarmed, 'ennada enna note panriya'
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Sep 18 21:31:46 2007.

  Equanimus,
  nanri hai
  
  

  Equanimus wrote:

  I am big fan of PKS, the character; and intend to start a cult following for him in the future when the necessary faculties are at my disposal. I don't mean to suggest that he's as influential as The Dude of 'The Big Lebowski,' but he's "The Tamil Dude" for me! On that note, I must say, Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters (half-wit sounds more appropriate than dimwit to me) that Kamal has played -- and PKS wouldn't mind that all, but I tend to think PKS is the most well-realised Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit (half-wit, the most important qualifier here!) Kamal has ever played

  
  <Dig>
  Another fan of TBL and The Dude! And i thought i was the only one here....
  Actually, i liked "Walter Sobchak" more... he is/was/will be the ULTIMATE!
  One more korikkai
  TBL pathi unga karuthukkala inga ezhudhina nalla irukkum
  
  @ "The Tamil Dude" -
  </Dig>
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 19 2:27:46 2007.

  TBL and Coen brothers fan here is insulted.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Sep 19 4:25:15 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  TBL and Coen brothers fan here is insulted.

  
  Sorry
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Sep 19 4:25:21 2007.

  Equanimus,
  
  I didn't care much for PKS. Time for a revisit.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 19 6:14:35 2007.

  Thanks everyone, you're all being too kind in your comments.
  
  

  Kumar wrote:

  The scene following the divorce settlement cracks me up each time I see it: Kamal: Passing-u cloud-a?? Abbas: Naanthaanne athu. Kamal:Aah! Avalo English-u theriyum yenneku..... (then greets Sneha by saying) No mention, ma................ and Simran: ..............stupid! Ridiculous!! Kamal:Inna?!!Stupid-a?!Nee yenna sonalum naa kaetekenumma? Dont put word in my mouth-u! Vaartei pudunggathe-dren! Simran:What?? Kamal:Inna, thappa? Correct-u thaana naan sonadhu? Abbas:Correct-u, aana 's' vitingge Kamal: Adhuyen vuduvaana....Don't put word in my mouths-u!! PS: My apologies, if my reproduction of dialogue is not up to par and if my romanised Tamil is not that good....

  
  
  "... Aibrid pappALiyAttam vaLandhuttAnE kaNdi, ivunukku puLLa mARi manasu mA..."
  
  Absolutely. I love this scene. In general, as I had mentioned in my original post, all those scenes where Kamal "helps" Abbas -- be it the fiasco at the lawyer's place (where a restless Abbas says what's probably his funniest line: "vivAgarathellAm kudukka mudiyAdhu." Kamal goes, "Dei... irRA, adhAn soltiyE." ), the restaurant scene, or the court scene -- crack me up every darn time.
  
  And, of course, it also has one of the funniest unfunny-lines (which will be referred to as his cult lines in the future ) that PKS delivers in the film. (I perplex some of my friends by keeping this as my messenger status message!)
  
  A visibly shocked PKS: "Passing-u clovud-aa?!"
  
  Just the way he delivers it cracks me up everytime. Again, there are more such lines which mean close to nothing, but are so damn funny. Another absolute favourite:
  
  "Trolley forward..."
  
  

• From: equanimus on Wed Sep 19 6:28:38 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Equanimus lovely post on PKS. After reading your post I feel I have watched only half the film ! Germ traced to Avvai Shanmugi: Viswanathayyar: ChellappAvukkum Mudaliarukkum enna dA sammandham ? Sethuraamayyar: sammandham irukkuNNA...sammandha mudaliyAr equanimus wrote: Raju is still my standout favourite among the Madras Baashai-speaking half-wit characters hey ! sabAs... nallavarundra... ? my favourite quotable quote equanimus wrote: "DhOdA! Unakku somersault adikka therima?" that's a killer ! Left to you to imagine the portly green pArvati attempting a back-flip.

  
  
  My most favourite "quotable quote" (which may only mean that it's part of my Raju-consciousness for a long, long time) has to be this: "sOkkA sonnayyA, dhool 'yA! idhellAm appdE varradhdhAn illa..." Fittingly followed by that defining Raju-moment -- Raju mischievously rolling his eyes down, much delighted as he's all set to say the catchphrase himself!
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  The earnestness when PKS rsponds to Yuhi Sethu's "record break" in the jewellery shop is just great. Even in the poignant rejection scene he steals the show with "innA cinemAvE paakkAdha valandhuttOmnu nenekkireengaLA ?"

  
  
  In fact, the earnestness with which Kamal played the character (Raju is a super-worthy precursor in this aspect, of course) is one of the key qualities in his performance that takes the character and the film to a different level. I, for one, love the "serious scenes" of PKS as well. They work so well, unlike the ones in, say, 'Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa' (which are almost apologetic!). Especially, PKS's scenes with his Thatha are moving and deserve mention amongst the best scenes of Kamal in recent times.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  equanimus wrote: I feel all these off-kilter material came straight out of Kamal Haasan's head, but I may be wrong as well. I think so too. The pazhamozhi thing can be seen in MaharAsan too. But one shouldn't bother comparing him with PKS who is miles ahead. (A distant second is the pazhamozhi thaathA in SV ShEkar's periya thambi, but he gets irritating after a while) Was watching the forgettable MaharAsan last night. One movie even Kamal couldn't save. The pazhamozhi speaker who excels in PKS is found there as an ill-developed mass. And of course some sparkles here and there, particularly with Goundamani. GM-Kamal are a rather good but undernoticed tag team.

  
  
  Yes, GM-Kamal is an undernoticed tag team who have done reasonably well together (the comedy track of Indian too is worth mentioning). GM's "method" however is at loggerheads with that of Kamal (or Crazy Mohan, for that matter). That is, Goundamani's way is despite the plot and characters, while Kamal's with the plot and characters. This is not to put down their combination though, it'd only be interesting to see two comedians with such contrasting styles come together.
  
  [Digression]
  I agree with your point that 'Periya Thambi' is a distant second. It can't hold a candle to the absurdist genius of PKS, but it's certainly worth mentioning for the sheer ridiculousness of it. "Thattith thatti koottuvALAn MuniyammA, innikku kezhama saniyammA 'ndra kadhaiyA..."
  Periya Thambi is a very well done satire of the village dramas of 80s and 90s. S. Ve. Shekar's comic timing is brilliant and he can make very ordinary lines sound very funny. I am a big fan of Crazy Mohan's brand of Wodehousian humour (or Sabha humour, if you will, with the quintessential brahmin flavour) -- "universal" setpieces which will work anywhere, "timeless" (oblivious to current affairs). I even used to prefer it a wee bit to S. Ve Shekar's brand of humour. But, I must say S. Ve. Shekar's plays have held up so well with time. His plays revel in the absurd and have healthy dose (!) of bawdy humour. Also, his plays cater to a wider Tamil audience with a strong Tamil flavour (as against a Brahmin flavour) and are very pop-culture-conscious. Mahabharathathil Mangaathaa is my most favourite "comedy drama." It must be part of the curriculum for anyone who attempts to satirize mythological dramas.
  [/Digression]
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Sep 20 2:03:24 2007.

  AllThingsKamal - 200th post by Qalandar.
  
  Note: The author may be from North Indies, relatively new to Tamil cinema but his understanding and appreciation of where "we" stand is remarkable.
  
  Super post!
  
  [emphasis mine]
  

  Qalandar wrote:

  I am ostensibly an odd choice to write a commemorative post on a site dedicated to Kamal Haasan: not only have I not grown up on Nayakan, Thevar Magan or Guna, but I’ve come to Kamal’s films — indeed, Tamil films in general — only relatively recently (and even now am limited to the ones I can find with English subtitles), and indeed often wish he would stop playing the hero (including in one of my favorite Kamal films, Virumaandi). What gives? All of the above might, however, make me especially well-positioned to begin a discussion on Kamal’s place in Indian cinema, a discussion, that is, that does not focus on his acting achievements so much as on what he means, the position he occupies, and the difference he has made. That “difference” is not merely a question of saying that Kamal stands for “quality” cinema, or that Kamal goes against the grain of Tamil masala cinema. Rather, a proper appreciation of this difference would also have to engage with the wider context of a Tamil cinema that is simultaneously a “regional” cinema, and one confronted with the hard fact of a dominant “national” industry with far greater resources at hand. For it is this terrain that Kamal’s career has had to negotiate, certainly over the last two decades. Confronted with that brute fact, the tendency is for India’s “regional” industries to go aggressively “local”, with cinema being viewed as a repository (or even as embattled citadel) of a culture and way of life that is under threat, besieged not necessarily due to any overt political hostility so much as by the dominance of a discourse — in this case Hindi cinema — with nationwide ambitions. At its best, this phenomenon results in films far more attuned to the rhythm of the “little”; to “marginal” voices that are not very likely to register on canvases where images are painted in very broad brushes; to moments as opposed to grand projects; to stories and not mere spectacles. At its worst, however, the “regional” film finds it hard to shed its mantle of insularity, and runs the risk of imagining the “local” past and culture as hermetically sealed and set in stone, and even of falling into the trap of xenophobia. Confronted with a “national” hegemony that would potentially sacrifice the “regional” at the altar of homogeneity, the temptation (not often resisted) is to construct a narrative of the “regional” that itself becomes a countervailing homogenizing hegemony: certain films or subjects are deemed more or less “authentically” Tamil, while others might be criticized for not hewing closely to a “standard” or “authorized” Tamil idiom. The construction of a countervailing sub-national hegemony, in short, risks compromising the very attention to the “local” that animated the “regional” in the first place. Ever since the man started assuming greater film-making control over his projects, the arc of Kamal’s career has done more to destabilize the above polarity than any other, Mani Ratnam’s excluded (fittingly enough, if one were hardpressed for an inaugural “moment” for the difference I am referring to, one need look no further than the coming together of Ratnam and Kamal in Nayakan). For Kamal and Ratnam have sought to evade the hegemonic “national” by resorting to a global paradigm, one that seeks to tap into the best of “world” cinema in an ambitious attempt to distinguish their Tamil films not merely on account of their Tamil essence but on account of their excellence — where “excellence” is defined not in terms of what would or would not pass muster in mainstream Hindi cinema, but what would make the grade where the world’s cinephiles are concerned. Indeed, it would be no exaggeration to say that of the two, Kamal’s concern for the health — and even more so for the sophistication — of Tamil cinema exceeds that of Ratnam’s. And if the prescription comes at a price — the casting of Kamal himself in the role of messiah — in a historical sense the price is well worth paying. Kamal’s approach is not simply a question of distinguishing Tamil films by virtue of quality: the films he has directed make clear that he sees the appeal to the trans-national as a way not only to evade the national, but to enable the “regional” to interrogate the national, thereby carving out a cinematic space that is not simply a function of linguistic difference, even as it depends upon and perhaps even acts in the name of that linguistic difference. It is worth stressing that this is in no way an “anti-national” viewpoint, but instead one that resists the dominance of an “official” paradigm. My point is best illustrated by means of Hey Ram and Virumaandi, two of the finest Indian films I have seen this decade, and both directed by Kamal himself. Hey Ram is ostensibly itself a “national” film, planned and executed as a bi-lingual, and populated with Bollywood stars, to such a degree that non-Tamilians might not even think of it as a Tamil film at all. Yet this is no instance of cultural effacement in the quest for a wider audience. Rather, Kamal uses Hey Ram to literally enact the drama of the “regional” difference (not to mention communal difference) vis-a-vis the symbolic heart of India, Mahatma Gandhi himself. This is about more than just the fact that the film’s protagonist is Tamil Brahmin Saket Ram, out to avenge himself on the nation’s father; rather, one realizes very soon that almost every memorable character in the film is testimony to the “regional”, be it a Pathan Muslim, Saket Ram’s Bengali wife, or his Sindhi friend. In fact, the film’s casting of culturally “authentic” Hema Malini as a Tamilian is itself slyly subversive, inasmuch as it takes a “national” icon and “regionalizes” her in a very direct way. The extremist Abhayankar and the wicked Altaf are far more “mainstream”, of course — not coincidentally, if the film has villains, they undoubtedly fit the bill. Towards the film’s end it is in fact the Pathan’s knowledge of Tamil that enables him and Saket to escape the mob at their heels, a literal staging of the hope that acknowledgment of political difference — here the sub-national — might enable us to sidestep the overarching manias of national projects (problematic not so much because they are manias but because they are overarching projects), including projects like Abhayankar’s. Perhaps most wondrous of all is the fact that not a trace of anti-Indian sentiment animates Hey Ram, though this isn’t surprising to those who have followed Kamal’s interviews. The film is not embarrassed to embrace India, but equally, is consistent with a view that does not see patriotism as involving any sub-national compromise, and certainly no compromise of a humanity that is shared across communal and other boundaries. Perhaps as a result of its enactment of this conviction on a nationwide scale, Hey Ram might be the grandest “regional” film of them all, free not only to examine the national margins but also liberated from the stultifying restrictions of “mainstream” discourse within which it would be difficult to think the things Hey Ram thinks of. The result is a political film that is bolder than most, and a “regional” film that meditates on issues that resonate nationally, even globally. Virumaandi illustrates another aspect of the “difference” I started out with. On the face of it, the tale of a violent inter-village conflict in Madurai district sounds like the sort of “local” film any number of directors mindful of making “authentic” Tamil films could have made. Once again (and more clearly here than in Hey Ram) it is Kamal’s recourse to broader aesthetic and political concerns that distinguishes the film, which touches upon Kurosawa’s Rashomon, capital punishment, and the injustice of the justice system. Simultaneously, Virumaandi strives to be a rip-roaring “massy” action film as well as the sort of rural study Bharathiraja was once known for — in short, about as recognizably Tamil a film as one could ask for. The melange is not always seamless, but the parry (of the status quo, here represented by a hopelessly inadequate legal order) and thrust (of the “regional”, in the form of the ultra-Tamil feel of the film) clearly strikes a chord. Virumaandi is consistent with Kamal’s resistance to the homogenizing potential of the “regional” itself, and displays an ear for Tamil voices not often heard in mainstream cinema. Nor was Virumaandi the first time Kamal had explored the representation of voices that one might characterize as “marginal” to the Tamil cinematic mainstream, as films like Thenali, Nala Damayanti , and Anbe Sivam attest — indeed the first two quite literally focus on characters who speak a Tamil that is lived on the border as it were, between Sinhalese and Tamil in Thenali; and between Tamil and Malayalam in Nala Damayanti. (The third film explores a character beholden to an ideology — communism — that is as marginalized today as it has ever been.) With Kamal, it is clear, the hegemony of the national may not be replaced with the hegemony of an “authorized” regional voice, one which purports to stand for the authentic to the exclusion of others. Moreover, Nala Damayanti is especially relevant in the contemporary “globalized” world, given its doubly disorienting move: not only does the film’s protagonist speak the Palakkad Tamil of the Tamil Nadu-Kerala borderlands, but he is also an illegal immigrant in a strange land, adrift in a sea of English he cannot understand. Nala Damayanti, that is, illustrates yet again the ability of the “regional” film to explore global issues that the “mainstream”, almost by design, finds difficult to engage. If this essay is about anything, it is about more than the achievements of a single actor/filmmaker (and I have deliberately stressed the “filmmaker” Kamal here, leaving to others better qualified than I the task of thinking about Kamal’s performances and other contributions in light of this piece). Because the likes of Kamal have inspired others in Tamil cinema, not only at the purely superficial (albeit very welcome) level of technical proficiency, but visually and thematically as well. Rather than cite particular examples of filmmakers and actors who have followed Kamal, I will end by paraphrasing a critic I greatly respect, who had once said that prior to the mid-1980s there was no non-culturally specific reason to watch any Tamil films. The “difference” to which Kamal Haasan has helped give concrete form means this is simply not true anymore. How untrue it is in the grand scheme of things is an open question, and will turn (as it must) on those who follow. Kamal has done his part — and, fittingly enough, not just “locally”: while the Kamal “difference” is a different animal from the (overly optimistic) crossover concerns that seem to occupy far too many in the Hindi film industry these days, it has nevertheless left its mark even there, principally by way of the manner in which the likes of Aamir Khan have begun to approach their films — with seriousness, ambition, and the desire to rescue popular cinema from both global blandness and “native” cliche. It is not a question of creative influence so much as it is one of mindset. A mindset that is best situated to result in global critical recognition for India’s popular cinemas, and in a manner such that they do not cease to be voices of our many Indias.

  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Sep 20 3:41:57 2007.

  Hmmmm had so much struggle getting into the hub, specially in to TF section . TF section is the most difficult one to access these days
  
  Euquanimus, Thanks for all those wonderful posts. Have to revisit PKS.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Sep 20 12:26:36 2007.

  roshan, u have any technical probs accessing the hub? i have some probs some times, [inspite of a 3 mbps broadband]and wondering why
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Sep 20 13:18:43 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  roshan, u have any technical probs accessing the hub? i have some probs some times, [inspite of a 3 mbps broadband]and wondering why

  
  
  Yes ! we all are experiencing this problem since Firday evening. Hub admin is trying their best to fix it. I am not sure whether I can post this message or not. More than accessing, posting has become quite cumbersome due to the said technical issue.
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Fri Sep 21 0:43:55 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: roshan, u have any technical probs accessing the hub? i have some probs some times, [inspite of a 3 mbps broadband]and wondering why Yes ! we all are experiencing this problem since Firday evening. Hub admin is trying their best to fix it. I am not sure whether I can post this message or not. More than accessing, posting has become quite cumbersome due to the said technical issue.

  
  
  i thought Hub was banned in our office
  
  i hope now the problem is fixed
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 28 9:21:47 2007.

  A superb debut by Deepauk in the definitive Kamal blog, close on the heels of our own Prabhu Ram.
  
  http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2007/09/28/kamal-a2z-anbe-sivam/
  
  

  Quote:

  To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, a stupid man’s report of what a clever man intends to portray on screen may never be accurate. Nevertheless I shall attempt an interpretation. The movie has been alternately hailed and dismissed from different sections for various reasons. I will touch on the screenplay and the characterizations, two items that are sometimes knocked. A frequent criticism leveled against the movie is the script, especially the flashback sequence. A simple exercise to determine if a scene is superfluous to a screenplay is to remove that scene or sequence and see if the movie still holds together. Anbe Sivam stands up to this test very well. Apart from 2 songs (an occupational hazard in the Indian Film Industry), the removal of any scene would rip through the entire fabric of the movie. Some sequences while clichéd from a birds eye view are less so when examined. The minor banalities in structure are acknowledged by the writer through Madhavan’s “Puratchi Kathaanayagan Thimiru pudicha Kadhaanayagi” (dashing hero, arrogant heroine) dialogue.The entire sequence in Bala’s house serves to emphasize the romance, Kandaswami Padaiyaachi’s opportunistic theism and finally the reason for Bala’s continued involvement with Nalla. The action sequence sets up the scene afterward in the police station (the actor playing the inspector is a riot). It forces Nalla to come to terms with the consequences of his dalliance with the daughter of the man whose policies he resents. I would like to mention 2 specific scenes that contrast the range of anecdotes that were drawn upon to deliver exposition in the movie. First, the portentous scene about the Tsunami that plays out in the Bhubaneshwar Hotel; the description of the photography-enthusiast consumed by the seas is supposedly based on a tragedy that befell a close friend (source: Kamal the writer himself in an interview to Sun TV). The scenes at the mural unveiling in Kandaswami Padaiyachi’s office are based on, I presume, Diego Rivera’s mural for the Rockefeller Center (a point to note here is Nalla’s allegiance, much like Russell, lies more with Marx than with Lenin). Referencing an intensely personal experience as well as global pop culture in the same movie should be a stretch, but it is pulled off with consummate ease. The obvious strengths in the Nalla role apart, what is really meant to step out of the movie and slap the average yuppie viewer’s face is the Anbarasu character. Madhavan delivers the wake up call well, combining socially accepted selfishness and naivete’ with aplomb. Even small characters like the members of the Koothupattarai (street play troupe in Tamil Nadu), Mehrunnisa and Pounkunju in particular, are given a lot of depth. And for the piece-de-resistance we return to Nalla. For nearly 2 hours the man is infallible. He has fought the Indian government and won, waded through floods, chased a train, lost and donated blood and through his generally gregarious nature managed to traverse nearly the entire east coast of the country on a leg and a half. And then suddenly the self-assured “last-word-freak” has all his insecurities laid out in one line. “Manaivingurathu oru karpanai walking stick. Manam Nondaama Irukkanum Ille” (”The concept of wife is an imaginary walking stick. The mind shouldn’t go lame, right?”). Nalla’s imaginary walking stick clearly shows Kamal Haasan’s imagination needs none.

  
  
  And here is a very interesting comment in reply to that post:
  
  

  Quote:

  Deepauk, That was a superb write-up on the film, especially some compelling notes on the flashback sequence. Yours truly is one of those who think the flashback pulls the movie down (in general, unlike most Kamal fans, I don’t place this film in the league of the best Kamal films), but that’s not to question the writing that went into these sequences. If anything, it’s the strong writing that saves the flashback. But, honestly, the way these sequences are staged and executed left things to be desired. I love the way Kamal delivers the walking-stick line in broken pieces of words with a sort of cheerfulness, but it doesn’t betray his insecurity as much as acknowledge it. On a different note, one can see that the writer Kamal exploring “the tragicomic” so effectively in this film, right from the scenes in the flood-affected Bhubaneshwar till they reach a railway station in Andhra. (Subtle, ironic and dark humour has always been Kamal’s forte, but nowhere did the humour got overtly tragicomic as here.) For example, the scene where he talks about his father’s death [*]; or when Mehrunissa opens her heart about her love for Nalla. That scene is very funny but also touching. Why, in this scene, Nalla actually says, “azhuvaRadhA sirikkaRadhA ‘nnE theriyala…” Now this very line is repeated (’sirikkaRadhu’ precedes ‘azhuvaRadhu’ here!) in the last Kamal-written last venture — the underrated Mumbai Xpress, in which he explored “the tragicomic” more eloquently though it is rather unnoticed. The first scene with Avinasi, Daddu and Ahalya in Ahalya’s house is a good example. It is so funny because of the things the three say to the other two (especially Avinasi has “heartless” things to say here. One has to hear him reflect so blandly, “sOgamAna kadhai dhAn…” to believe it!). But, it’s also sad because we know what the characters are going through. But for the dragging sequences with Chettiar in the car and ACP SP Rao on the phone in the last hour, this one is quite a Kamal special for me. If only Kamal had not gone all-out in designing a farcical web of confusion (and obligatory automobile chases) that dragged more than tickle the funny bone, this one would have been right up there. * - It was Gollapudi Maruthi Rao’s son, Gollapudi Srinivas, who died in a similar accident. The Gollapudi Srinivas National award is also instituted in his memory. Rao is a writer and his friendship with Kamal goes a long way back. And, of course, he has acted in many Kamal films like Swathi Muthyam, Indrudu Chandrudu, Hey! Ram (as Govardhan). This is his personal website.

  
  

• From: Alek Niranjan on Tue Oct 2 2:37:49 2007.

  [tscii]
  Kamalhassan the Maestro Speaks
  =========================
  
  http://desitrain.com/2006/08/14/kamal-hassan-the-maestro-speaks/
  
  Kamal Hassan : The Maestro speaks
  
  The maestro speaks… and wow!!!
  
  Kamal Hassan talks about making films on his own terms to Subhash K Jha @ Mumbai Mirror
  
  Why have you been maintaining such a low profile?
  
  I’m 50 now. I have suddenly realised how much time I’ve wasted. I should’ve planned my dream Maridunayagam more carefully. I need 40 more years as a filmmaker. Although it may seem so, I’m not a workaholic. I took one entire year (1990) off thinking I could afford it. I’m one of the few filmmakers in Chennai who takes every Sunday off.
  
  You’ve been around for 30-odd years as a leading man. What changes do you notice in the film industry?
  
  I’m still trying to execute those dreams that I had at 19. I agree that the Tamil industry is quite stagnant. But as long as I live to tell the story, I guess I’m going to do so.
  
  Aren’t your films very expensive?
  
  All the films I do for external productions are within the budget. When I did Hey Ram on my own, it cost as much as Shankar’s Hindustani, although it was a bi-lingual. When it comes to my films, the forthcoming film has to be better than the earlier ones.
  
  Are your dreams getting bigger?
  
  No. I don’t believe in daydreaming. But Maridunayagam remains one of my dreams. Now, I can get most of the finance in India, but only if my next few films do well. Luckily, portions where I’m supposed to look younger have all been shot so that my growing older in person would become a part of the narrative.
  
  
  Is it becoming difficult for you to make films on your own terms?
  
  It’s always difficult, whether on my own or on others’ terms. But I’ve no complaints. I’m a pampered technocrat. Filmmaking is not an isolated endeavour; it’s like fighting a war. You can lose any time. Your soldiers might fail you. Your courage might fail you.
  
  Singing is an abiding passion for you, isn’t it?
  
  I’ve sung about 50 songs for my films and majority of them are in Tamil. My father wanted me to become a singer, a classical vocalist. I learnt classical singing but not to the level he wanted. Due to my other pursuits, I couldn’t take up singing seriously. Now, my daughter Shruti is learning Hindustani classical music.
  
  What do you feel about another Kamal Hassan coming up in the industry?
  
  They’re already there, though they aren’t my direct offsprings. My replacement is probably smiling at me and calling me passe. I only hope I can groom him without jealousy (laughs). I remember commenting on my seniors’s performances. We’d look at MGR and Sivaji Ganesan films and wonder why they did some of the films that they did. Of course, we became eager chelas once we entered the industry.
  
  Where are the replacements for you and Rajnikant?
  
  Earlier, people used to say that no one could replace Sivaji Ganesan, and he would modestly say that his replacement would arrive. It took a long time for Sivaji saab to see a spark in me —he took me seriously as an actor after 17 years. I’m being realistic when I say a replacement will come. There are so many gifted new boys. And I’m eager to encourage them.
  
  What do you enjoy the most—acting, producing, screenwriting or directing?
  
  That depends on which of these capacities are required for, at any given time. I was a reluctant actor who was cajoled into acting. Now I enjoy it too much to give it up. There’s so much applause you get. But if my visiting card read ‘Kamal Hassan, Actor’ I’d be slightly perturbed.
  
  When your ex- wife Sarika had a near-fatal fall you subconsciously recorded the incident for future reference?
  
  That’s a common trait among actors. Though I can detach myself from tragedy, no one is immune to tears and fears. As an actor I’ve recorded a number of tragedies for reference. But this was one crisis where I kept the actor completely at bay. However, the child within me remained curious about the fall and wanted to know the technical details. That didn’t in any way, diminish my affection for my wife. But the truth is, I was seeing a bizarre screenplay in my mind. I went from shock to gloom within no time.
  
  So you realised that audiences’ tastes couldn’t be trusted?
  
  No, the same audience that accepted me in this film also wanted to know when I would do more films like Moondaram Pirai, Thevar Magan and Appu Raja.
  
  What about your Hindi films after Ek Duuje Ke Liye?
  
  Some were obvious failures. But they didn’t affect me. I did them out of friendship. My failure in Hindi cinema was more conspicuous because those Hindi films took longer to finish. If they were completed on schedule I would have done 50 films during the same time. I chose to stay away from Hindi films because I’ve a short life and there’s lots of work to be done. Some of my best friends took forever to make their films. Ramesh Sippy took two years to make Saagar.
  
  You have a formidable acting reputation to back up your films in Mumbai.
  
  I’m just a musafir (traveller) in Mumbai. I drop in once in a while and shake up the statusquo as I come and go. I’m not present in the market to generate faith in my standing. So when I do come with a film they say, “Ah phir aa gaya?!” But in Tamil Nadu it’s another story. Alabandhan is being looked upon as a huge event.
  
  Is there a Dravidian prejudice in Mumbai, because Madhavan too is facing the same kind of stumbling block.
  
  But Madhavan is facing a stumbling block in Chennai as well. If in Mumbai he’s seen as a Madrasi boy, then in Chennai he’s the Bombay guy. It’s unfortunate to enounter so many parochial attitudes. To a large extent, Tamil cinema is free of those biases.
  
  Many of your fans feel that Mani Ratnam’s Nayakan is your best film till date.
  
  It’s an important film. But even Mani Ratnam would say his best is still to come. Now when we’re thinking of working together again we’re scared whether we’d get an equally powerful script.
  
  Was Nayakan designed as a desi Godfather?
  
  Yes, both Mani Ratnam and I are great fans of Mario Puzo and Francis Coppola. All the same, we wanted to get away from the Hollywood stereotype and remake Nayakan into our environmnt.
  
  Were you offered the Hindi remake of Nayakan?
  
  No. Feroz Khan wanted to do it. That’s why he bought the rights. As for my opinion of the Hindi version, Mani Ratnam and I share the same opinion—they missed the point.
  
  What do you think about the frenzied fusion of cinema and politics in Tamil Nadu?
  
  It started with the DMK who wanted a propaganda tool. When C N Annadurai started the DMK party, it was not a contesting party. Annadurai was also a screenwriter. When he died, Karunanidhi was unanimously chosen as his undisputed successor. After 1967, Tamil Nadu hasn’t seen a single non-cinema Chief Minister. Even NT Rama Rao in Andhra Pradesh saw the close link between cinema and politics through MGR. NTR played almost every role in Telugu cinema that MGR played in Tamil and also had a religious aura to his personality.
  
  Why have you and your guru Sivaji Ganesan shied away from politics?
  
  I have. He hasn’t. He won several elections and even started his own party. He lost his focus on cinema for a while. How could I advise him against it? How can you tell the headmaster to run the school? We disciples humbly murmured our disapproval.
  
  What do you think about Rajnikant as an actor?
  
  When we were still in our 20s I had asked him why he was so stylised on screen. He said that’s the secret of his future success. I assured him that my style would also be a winner. He turned around to say, ‘Fair enough. You do your thing and I’ll do my own.’ Rajni is a phenomenon too. Both of us were young actors who started from scratch. We didn’t have fathers to make movies for us. But we had the same godfather K Balachander. It’s quite strange, but our paths as actors were always intertwined. We made our way up together.
  
  Are you keen on doing a film with Rajnikant?
  
  It depends. He said if we do a film together he wouldn’t direct it. It has to be either me or someone else. It would be interesting to do a film with him. At the Thenali silver jubilee function Rajni recalled an incident when he was riding pillion on my bike. When the bike skidded Rajni asked if I knew how to ride a bike! I assured him that even if I fell, I wouldn’t let him fall. I was so touched when Rajni said at the function, ‘That’s what happened in our careers. He never let me fall. In 1983, when I wanted to leave everything behind it was Kamal who cajoled me back to the material world.’ I guess we’ll do a film together. We’re worried about the expectations.
  
  You’re accused of becoming increasingly self-indulgent in your films.
  
  I was self-indulgent earlier. I am an actor who can do Bharat Natyam and Kuchipudi, skid on a motorbike and select films from different languages for a remake. Is that being self-indulgent? I don’t think so.
  
  Anil Kapoor has done a large number of your Tamil films in Hindi.
  
  Somewhere he must admire the way I conduct my career. Maybe he wanted to use some of my career tricks. But no re-make can be the same as the original. Even Moondram Pirai and Sadma aren’t the same though they were done with the same cast and crew. Just as Shakespeare’s Othello is played by so many actors why can’t two actors in India interpret the same character in two languages? I was offered the chance to do the Hindi remake of my Swathi Muthyam (which Anil Kapoor eventually did as Eeshwar) by Raj Kapoor. If I had taken the offer I’d have belonged to one of the most illustrious film families in India, just as I belong to Sivaji Saab’s family.
  
  Where do you think our cinema stands globally?
  
  It’s time for our films to move ahead of V Shantaram’s musical milieu. I may not succeed playing a vigilante. It’s not enough for a Mani Ratnam or a Kamal Hassan to change the status quo. We need more celluloid reformists. It happened in Karnataka through a government-sponsored scheme. Suddenly, I was very proud of a neighbouring state. I’d run to Karnataka just to be part of the cinematic revolution at a time when Tamil Nadu was making crappy commercial films. Just being in B V Karanth’s house was comforting. I feel the same movement can start in any part of the country. Why should we depend on Mumbai for it? I think our cinema has never grown up since Shantaramji’s days. But I’m trying.
  
  Why this aversion to songs and music?
  
  I’ve this Guru Dutt-like background. I used to be a dance composer. In four years, I must have choreographed about a hundred songs. As an actor I’ve done about 500 songs. To me songs make commercial sense, in the same way that whores make sense to someone in the prostitution business. As an actor, songs often seem stupid. I played a psychopath in the Tamil film Red Rose. Everyone expected me to go on stage and sing a pop number with girls. I told my director that a serial killer doesn’t sing. In our films everyone from a dentist to a follower of Vinobha Bhave sings and dances. I’m fed up of bringing music into every aspect of life on screen. We don’t need to mix genres. At the moment we’re cooking up a strange gypsy dish made up of leftovers and disposable food.
  
  Do you feel music is a huge impediment to our cinema’s progress?
  
  Yes. My greatest disappointment was when my hero Shyam Benegal succumbed to the song trap in Zubeidaa. See how the film industry is coercing some of our greatest filmmakers. When I first saw his work. I remember meeting him after Ankur and I asked him the name of his next film. He said, ‘We don’t have to name the film now since we don’t have to sell our songs.” I admired him for that. Now I can understand his desire to be market-friendly. We all have to change. He’s still my hero.
  
  Your fans want your talent to be recognised in the West.
  
  They should stop dreaming of an Oscar for me. Oscar isn’t the ultimate reward for an Indian actor. Hollywood doesn’t allow us to participate on an equal level; we can participate only as foreigners. It cannot be a world endorsement of cinematic excellence. It doesn’t even endorse American cinema fully. My dream project is to create a film festival like Cannes in Chennai where the top prize would be one million dollars. Then we’ll have Hollywood participating without reservation.
  
  Do you think our cinema is finally being noticed abroad?
  
  We need to take our cinema forward and free it from bigotry. I’m bored with what we’re doing. I’ve my own sensibilities as a filmmaker. I want to apply these to international standards. Hollywood comprises multi-cultural talent. Likewise, we need to wear our cultural badge and still look cosmopolitan.
  
  There’s a lot of speculation about your personal life.
  
  A broken marriage isn’t a crime. In Tamil Nadu, the press seems to respect my feelings. I’m a child of the Tamil industry. I’ve gone through grief. I repeat, give me my privacy. It’s my fundamental right.
  
  Your problems have made you compassionate.
  
  I always believe there’s no such thing as luck for those who deserve it. You’ve to work hard for it. I paid the price for wanting to be a director. I lost money but I gained critical fame. Now I wonder if the bargain was worth it. As a struggler, I dreamt of owning several cars, living in an air-conditioned home etc. I was paid Rs 15,000 per film and I was doing 10 films at the time. I wanted to cross the Rs 100,000 bracket and act in only one film at a time. Today I’ve many luxuries and liabilities including alimony. But my dream of making films hasn’t died.
  
  

• From: Alek Niranjan on Tue Oct 2 2:45:59 2007.

  [tscii]Gandhi Jayanthi Special
  =====================
  
  Gandhi - written by Kamal Hassan
  
  =========================
  
  
  Kamal Hassan On Gandhi
  
  Ahimsa is a rather intricate idiom. It is akin to what you would term as Nirvana. Both are quite close or perchance inter-related. Ahimsa is as complex as integrity to put into practice. Nonetheless, just because it is becoming more and more difficult to practice, you cannot decry wisdom. You can probably modify it. I am sure I will come under flak from various quarters. But then it is a sort of fate that even wiser people had to face, like Mr Gandhi himself. He said something because he had the audacity and the honesty and the integrity to publicly accept and contradicts his deeds, criticise his mistakes, change track and say ‘I am sorry’ in public. I think that is what I admire by the gentleman.
  
  There are very few people whose photographs I keep. I don’t even display my awards. I have had some asinine moments as an adolescent when I have had some pin-ups of actors and actresses with me. But those have been fleeting moments. I am a great aficionado of Charles Darwin and Subramanya Bharati too. But I have never kept their photographs.
  
  What inspires me most is Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi — his attitude and approach to life. I have always felt that icons should not be idolised and stuffed with their halos and angels floating around them. It robs me of the hope that I could be like them. It is only humanising them that gives me hope in my life.
  
  And India is capable of throwing up many more Gandhis. It need not be me. At least I can aspire to be. I may fail in the process, but it is a great thing to be involved in the process in the first place.
  
  There have been great people in this country. I am one of them. I hope I am one of them. Charlie Chaplin has a great sense of humour. Many people can imitate what he did. But that is an imitation.
  
  There have been others, but I am able to hazily comprehend Gandhi much better. He suits my contemporary living time. Shivaji or Buddha don’t. What is suitable for me is what Gandhi had to offer. I am still looking around and shopping.
  
  Gandhi is my hope, my friend. Do not rob my kith and kin away from me by making them messiahs of God. They are humans like me and fallible. I like to keep them on the human level. That gives me hope.
  
  ‘Be the change, you want in society,’ said Gandhi. Buddha and Gandhi became a change. There is a dialogue attributed to Gandhi in one of my earlier films Hey Ram, which says, ‘Everyone is a Mahatma or an animal’. You have to be one. So the Mahatma is not a specific post. It is a metaphysical word for a better person.
  
  Yes, it is an easier and better view when I sat away from it. I could understand what was the problem with Godse and Nehruji. That gives me the equipoise, which they could not have had.
  
  That is why I can understand Gandhi much better.
  
  WRITTEN BY KAMAL HASSAN
  
  http://www.radiosargam.com/films/archives/5364/gandhi-written-by-kamal-hassan.html
  
  

• From: Alek Niranjan on Tue Oct 2 2:48:49 2007.

  Gandhi Jayanthi Special II
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  
  http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2000/feb/18ram.htm
  
  Liked Hey! Ram
  Mahesh Nair
  
  At the end of the movie, I walked up to Kamal Haasan and asked him, "What is the kind of reaction you are getting for Hey! Ram?" Kamal was his usual cryptic self, "This is an ususual movie, so I am getting some unusual responses." Read on and you'll know what he meant...
  
  My dear Kamal,
  
  I believe you have made a film on someone called Saket Ram who was hell bent on killing me. I am extremely grateful to you because the whole world thinks that Nathuram Godse was the only man who made an assassination attempt on me! If truth be told, there were many more who wanted to bump me off.
  
  I am willing to give you the names of all these people, if you let me die in peace.
  
  Yours sincerely,
  M K Gandhi
  
  P S: I am curious. If, instead of gasping "Hey Ram!", I had said "Hey Allah!" or "Hey Christ!", what would you have done?
  
  Dear Gandhiji,
  
  I am honoured, sir, that you have actually written to me! If you read the promotional material that I have supplied with the reviewer's kit, or seen any of the promos that are currently airing on television, you may notice my favourite explanatory line: "This is not an attempt to fix responsibilities for blunders committed, but a reminder that those blunders might happen yet again."
  
  Yes, I am very excited about your proposition. Please do give me list of all those people. I am sure the rest of my movie-making career will be taken care of.
  
  Yours humbly,
  Kamal Haasan
  
  P S: If truth be told, no one heard you saying even "Hey Ram!" I tried to listen carefully to what Naseeruddin Shah (who plays you) mumbled during our takes. But every time we shot him with the blank pistol, the sound was so deafening that we couldn't catch a word of what he said. I hope you forgive me for taking artistic liberties.
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  I am a middle class housewife, living in Ballygunge Circular Road for the past 50 years. Like Aparna (played by Rani Mukherjee), I am a teacher -- though I can bet that I make more money by taking tuition for girls from Loretto School. I also do better embroidery than Aparna's version of Kali, which you carry in the movie like a zombie. While I do not want to share her cruel fate (I shudder to think of how she was raped mercilessly by all those fundamentalists), I am dying to know one thing from you. Never in my entire life has my husband made love to me and played the piano like you did with Aparna!
  
  Should I throw out my old piano and bring a new model?
  
  Kakoli Bhattacharya,
  Kolkatta
  
  Dear Kamal Uncle,
  
  I am a student finishing my school and wanted to ask for some career advice. I very much want to become an archaeologist, especially after I saw you and Shah Rukh uncle digging for skeletons in Mohenjodaro. But my uncle, who is a journalist, says that it is quite unlikely that you may have come across skeletons in Mohenjodaro even in 1930 -- he says it's tough to see one after 2000 years. But he adds that if I can have a wife like Rani Mukherjee, it is okay to become an archaeologist.
  
  I know you really are an excellent archaeologist. You do have a knack of digging up historical skeletons. Please tell me whether I can I apply for the archaeology course right after school or after college?
  
  Rishabh,
  Class IX
  
  Dear Rishabh,
  
  If you want to dig historical skeletons, please send a letter to Dr Murli Manohar Joshi, c/o the Indian Council of Historical Research.
  
  If you want to dig purely for the pleasure of digging, then join MTNL or the Madras Sewage and Water Supply Board or the Delhi Electrical Supply Undertaking.
  
  If you want to dig for stuff that does not exist, become a film-maker.
  
  You don't need to finish school to join any of the above professions.
  
  Wishing you all the best.
  Kamal Uncle
  
  Mr Kamal Haasan,
  
  We are very annoyed with how you have projected our dear animal brothers in your film. You have called goats Hindus and Muslims, shown an elephant tied up with a chain and even had Vasundhara Das screaming at a lizard that falls on her. If that's not enough you, as Saket Ram, hallucinate that the lizard is drinking blood.
  
  Let us clarify.
  
  Goats are not Hindus and Muslims. In fact, they are mammals. Showing an elephant tied with a chain while the rest of the country is in patriotic fervour is to spread an irritating social stereotype. Lizards never drink blood. They only swallow their victims. And, finally, please pay damages to the poor lizard at whom Vasundhara screamed. It has lost its hearing ever since.
  
  Dear Mr Haasan,
  
  I am sorry I do not understand your movie. Just because your wife has been raped and killed by Muslim fundamentalists, you blame Mahatma Gandhi for pampering Muslims during the pre-Partition days. But if you had been a Muslim and your wife was raped and killed by Hindu fundamentalists, you would have blamed Gandhi again, right?
  
  If the problem is with Gandhi, then why show women being raped by some particular community? Are you not propagating harmful stereotypes? In fact, the real problem is not with Gandhi. It is with you.
  
  Also when people like you in the media stop using rape as a weapon of revenge? Why couldn't you, for instance, have shown your brother being slaughtered and then taken revenge for it?
  
  K Ramalingam
  
  Dear Mr Ramalingam,
  
  Hey! Ram is not be understood. It is to be felt!
  
  Yours respectfully,
  Kamal Haasan
  
  Dear Mr Haasan,
  
  What is the thematic content of your film? What's the genre you are trying to follow?
  
  Sincerely
  Movietime critic
  
  Dear Shri Haasan,
  
  We in the top rung of the RSS cadre saw the movie yesterday. Till the interval, we were very pleased that you have put our struggle for the Hindu rashtra in a proper perspective. However, post-intermission, we think that by softening the character of Saket Ram you have betrayed our trust.
  
  We object to the following points in your film:
  
  1. Shriram Abhyankar (played very convincingly by Atul Kulkarni) has a very important conversation with Saket Ram, where he is speaking of why Hindus are the shikaar (victims) of Gandhi. However, his dialogue is abruptly cut off by the police who spot him in the tram. Abhyankar runs and dives into the Hooghly. We object to the police interruption. Moreover, the Abhyankar we know does not know how to swim.
  
  2. You have shown our friend pracharaks having a party at the Maharaja's (Vikram Gokhale) home on Dusshera day. You have shown them drinking som ras. They are watching an erotic Lavani performance. And our new-found pracharak Saket Ram, after a few drinks, is shown to get extremely excited and can't keep his hands off his wife, Mythili (Vasundhara Das).
  
  We object to partying on Ram Navami. Instead of the Lavani, you should have shown women reciting a bhajan. To show our cadre getting horny and chasing women openly (even if it is one's wife) is highly degrading.
  
  3. Lastly, the Maharaja has a roomful of imported arms and Saket Ram picks up a Mauser to kill the Mahatma. We firmly and categorically disapprove of all foreign imports.
  
  The Brothers,
  Nagpur
  
  P S: We are curious. The name Kamal Haasan -- were your ancestors from Lahore?
  
  Dear Nagpur Brothers,
  
  Before you burn my effigy, please ignore the stuff I wrote to Mahatma Gandhi. All that bit about Hey! Ram "being not an attempt to fix responsibilities for blunders committed, but a reminder that those might yet happen again."
  
  Yours in fear,
  Kamal Haasan
  
  P S: Kamal as in lotus, held by Saraswati, Lakshmi and all our devis. Haasan as in the town of Hassan. I have never heard of Lahore since I've never visited Paris.
  
  Machan Kamal,
  
  You will forever try to make movies that are patriotic and full of crap. You may get all the National Awards. But our claps and money is reserved for Rajini only.
  
  Rajinikanth Nadigar Mandram
  Madras
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  After Dilip Kumar and Amitabh Bachchan's face-off in Shakti, I think the face-off between you and Shah Rukh Khan is the best in Indian cinema. It is amazing that Shah Rukh did not ham in the film like he does mostly. I am sure he will get the best supporting actor's award.
  
  Love,
  Priti Mathur
  
  Dear Priti,
  
  I have conveyed what you said to Shah Rukh and he wants you to do him a favour: Please see Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani!
  
  Love, Kamal
  
  Dear Mr Haasan,
  
  Could I please meet you for a business proposal? We make world class animation and are appalled by what you have done with Hey! Ram. That special effects where Saket Ram and Mythili, wrapped in a satin sheet in bed, plunge into ecstatic depths is worse than the plunge which the little boy takes in our Sundrop ad. And that morphing bit is a piece of technology that is as old as Michael Jackson's Black or white music video.
  
  Shyam Ramana
  Crest Communication
  
  My dearest Kamalji,
  
  How could you have kissed Rani and Vasundhara?? And you don't even do a good job of it. I bet Sarika was there!!! May you rot in heaven...
  
  Heartbroken,
  Divya
  
  Dear Divya,
  
  To tell you frankly, I was afraid of the RSS!
  
  Yours truly,
  Kamal
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  By renouncing the world and his family ties in that wonderful scene at the ghats in Kashi, Saket Ram has proved that it is not necessary for widows to run away from home. They can attend marriage parties like Vasundhara Das's grandmother did in the movie. We, the widows of Vrindavan, want you to make Water.
  
  Widows of Vrindavan
  
  P S: It was a pleasure listening to D K Pattamal singing Vaishnavo Jayato.
  
  Dear Kamalbhai,
  
  I think it is a brilliant masterstroke to make a movie about the Mahatma, have some songs and dialogues in Bengali, Marathi, Tamil, English and Hindi. Now we can get tax free status from state governments, a National Award and even an Oscar nomination!
  
  Bharatbhai
  
  Dear Bharatbhai,
  
  How else could I get money to complete Marudhanayagam? My sixth sense (now that's a movie which we need to discuss; it's a script where I will play the character of the boy, Bruce Willis and all the ghosts) tells me we will laugh all the way to the Tamil Nadu Mercantile Bank.
  
  Warm regards,
  Kamal
  
  P S: Will you please reduce your interest rate?
  
  Shri Kamalji,
  
  Please change the title to Shri Ram. Hey! Ram is irreverant and westernised. If you don't, then please be ready to bear the consequences.
  
  Jai Shri Ram
  Bajrang Dal
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  After the preview, a journalist asked me what was I doing in the film looking pensively at a pair of slippers that was supposed to be Bapu's and then looking out of a window in the end when the credits were rolling.
  
  Do you think acting is for me?
  
  Yours sincerely,
  Tushar Gandhi
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  Can you please return those slippers? Tushar's size is larger and he may damage mine.
  
  M K Gandhi
  
  P S: Naseer did a good job. Tell him to take care otherwise he may get shot too.
  
  Dear Kamalji,
  
  Very clever of you to use black and white when you are showing present, i e, 1999. Usually people think only flashbacks are in B/W.
  
  One doubt. The make-up on Hemaji when she is old is the same that your co-star who acted as your wife in Indian used, right?
  
  One more doubt. Why do you as Saket Ram in old age also look like the Mahatma?
  
  Dinanath Dresswala
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  I think Illayraja did a wonderful job with the background score. Or was it a leftover from L Subramaniam's compositions?
  
  Yours curiously,
  A R Rahman
  
  Dear A R,
  
  How can you even ask such a question after what you have done with Peter Gabriel's Passion?
  
  Kamal
  
  Shri Kamal Haasan,
  
  We, the residents of this colony in New Delhi, are extremely hurt that you have named your principal character after our colony. Henceforth, please be notified that Gate No A, B, and C (next to the government school) will forever be closed to you. Also we will hold a demonstration at the PVR cinema complex if the film is screened there.
  
  Yours sincerely,
  The Saket Residents Welfare Association
  New Delhi
  
  Dear Kamal,
  
  Liked your movie.
  
  Thanks
  Mahesh Nair
  
  

• From: NOV on Sat Oct 6 10:01:07 2007.

  watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch
  
  most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours.
  altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse.
  
  a classic to be revered.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sat Oct 6 13:46:52 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours. altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse. a classic to be revered.

  that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil...
  
  also, the character of kaveri was enacted by 3 girls.. the girl in the brothel is a real-life pro.. sangeetha enacts kaveri in the climax of the movie..
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Oct 6 16:12:18 2007.

  http://madippakkam.blogspot.com/2007/09/blog-post_7539.html
  
  a blogger recalls kamal's writings in Mayyam
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Oct 7 0:01:57 2007.

  Initially, i also felt that smooch scene was unnecessary. However, after looking at perspectives of people like PR and others, after seeing the film again many times, i am convinced, that is one of the most natural and essential kissing scenes in movies ever!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sun Oct 7 3:03:45 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  NOV wrote: watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours. altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse. a classic to be revered. that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil... also, the character of kaveri was enacted by 3 girls.. the girl in the brothel is a real-life pro.. sangeetha enacts kaveri in the climax of the movie..

  
  
  ennA mAthiri rumours ellAm varuthu paarunga. That girl is a TV artist and I have seen her in TV serials some time back. Her mom too is a TV artist. I have seen both the mom and daughter mentioning about Mahanadhi experience in an interview.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Oct 7 5:29:09 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: NOV wrote: watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours. altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse. a classic to be revered. that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil... also, the character of kaveri was enacted by 3 girls.. the girl in the brothel is a real-life pro.. sangeetha enacts kaveri in the climax of the movie.. ennA mAthiri rumours ellAm varuthu paarunga. That girl is a TV artist and I have seen her in TV serials some time back. Her mom too is a TV artist. I have seen both the mom and daughter mentioning about Mahanadhi experience in an interview.

  seriously??????
  
  i thought aandavar used a real life pro. because, the scene was really shot in sona kaagi... atleast thats what i think..
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Oct 7 7:30:21 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil...

  
  he kisses her to stop her talking. anyway, idhu onnum periya vishayam illai, and does not diminish the value of the film (the contents of which is adult in any case.)
  
  

  Quote:

  also, the character of kaveri was enacted by 3 girls.. the girl in the brothel is a real-life pro.. sangeetha enacts kaveri in the climax of the movie..

  i was so absorbed in the film that i failed to realise it was a diff girl.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sun Oct 7 14:49:27 2007.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  Roshan wrote: Devar Magan wrote: NOV wrote: watched Mahanadhi again after umpteen years. this is the kamal I want to watch - again and again. unconscious effort, no heroism and with such realism that it tears out your heart. IR's background is amazing. bu the unnecessary smooch most ppl think culcutta when talking abt mahanadhi. but the whole prison sequence was fantastic and so so fulfilling. the culcutta scenes happen only after the first two hours. altho i have to admit that i couldnt control my emotions when kamal meets shobana in the whorehouse. a classic to be revered. that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil... also, the character of kaveri was enacted by 3 girls.. the girl in the brothel is a real-life pro.. sangeetha enacts kaveri in the climax of the movie.. ennA mAthiri rumours ellAm varuthu paarunga. That girl is a TV artist and I have seen her in TV serials some time back. Her mom too is a TV artist. I have seen both the mom and daughter mentioning about Mahanadhi experience in an interview. seriously?????? i thought aandavar used a real life pro. because, the scene was really shot in sona kaagi... atleast thats what i think..

  
  
  I am 200% sure the girl is a TV serial actress. Nowaday I dont see her on TV but her mom continues to act.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Oct 8 2:08:51 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: that smooch is no way un-neccessary.. krishnasaamy thaan virumba pennukku thaan mutham koduthaaru.. athuvum, uyiroda thirumbi varuvaaraanu theriyaatha soolnilayil... he kisses her to stop her talking. anyway, idhu onnum periya vishayam illai, and does not diminish the value of the film (the contents of which is adult in any case.)

  
  
  Krishnaswamy is a real man who bleeds when he is pricked. He is not someone who would say: "kuzhandhaigaLukkAga thaan". Kamal scoffs at that as a reason for re-marrying through the line Barani speaks while adopting the suckling puppy.
  
  He is naive and vulnerable enough to be mildly swayed by Manju's intimacy. Wasn't signing the power-of-attorney also about demonstrating his masculinity to her ?
  
  The morning after, his disappointment does not even surprise his mother-in-law. She considers it a non-matter before waking up to his mind in a very motherly fashion. He reacts very much like the Indian son who is shy to be a grown-up before his parents. From one my favourite scenes in the film:
  
  Krishna: andha manju ponnu avvaLO nallava illa mA
  Saraswathy: sari..adhukku enna ippo........ohO !
  Krishna: ...illa illa mA....
  
  Yamuna is herself someone who has taken up great responsibilities: first for her father (the old man perching on the pillion of his daughter's moped seems a statement in itself) , then for the Krishna's family.
  
  Krishna may be our protagonist. But from the perspective of a matrimonial ad, he is a widower with two children. Not the most sought after stock. Yamuna is beyond her prime, and with a father in prison, little family support and a sorry financial situation, she has had to undersell herself in the marriage market.
  
  Their coming together happens in the most extraordinary situations. (with Ilayaraja playing one of the most haunting guitar pieces of the 90s). The first time we hear the music is when Rajesh (in a marvellous role) takes the life out of the word when he , very officially, asks her to submit a manu stating : "........naanga rendu pEr kaadhalikkarOm..."
  
  Their first ever intimate moment, where Yamuna's eagerness is real (unlike the irritating fake coyness designed for the likes of her in Tamil films) is stopped by the conservative PanjApakEsan: "YamunA en mookku kaNNAdiyA pArthiyAmmA ?".
  
  She is the one who is witness to Krishna breaking down after his daughter's sleeptalk. (Sukanya's acting there is terrible- makes one wonder why Kamal paired with her "twice".).
  
  Even in that scene Krishna's misery is not personal but incredibly social: "ayyo anga kAvEri maari niRaiya ponnunga irukku YamunA"
  
  This is in the scene that leads to the "kiss". Titillation is simply out of question here. It is a beautiful and heart-rending affirmation of their relationship, also positioned to silence her. She opens her eyes to find him gone.
  
  idhukku badhila reNdu poovai "symbolic"-A moDha vittirundha dhAn kanRAviyA irundhirukkum.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Oct 8 2:11:29 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  i am convinced, that is one of the most natural and essential kissing scenes in movies ever!

  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Oct 8 2:20:43 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  He is not someone who would say: "kuzhandhaigaLukkAga thaan". Kamal scoffs at that as a reason for re-marrying through the line Barani speaks while adopting the suckling puppy. Their coming together happens in the most extraordinary situations. (with Ilayaraja playing one of the most haunting guitar pieces of the 90s). The first time we hear the music is when Rajesh (in a marvellous role) takes the life out of the word when he , very officially, asks her to submit a manu stating : "........naanga rendu pEr kaadhalikkarOm..." Their first ever intimate moment, where Yamuna's eagerness is real (unlike the irritating fake coyness designed for the likes of her in Tamil films) is stopped by the conservative PanjApakEsan: "YamunA en mookku kaNNAdiyA pArthiyAmmA ?". Even in that scene Krishna's misery is not personal but incredibly social: "ayyo anga kAvEri maari niRaiya ponnunga irukku YamunA" This is in the scene that leads to the "kiss". Titillation is simply out of question here. It is a beautiful and heart-rending affirmation of their relationship, also positioned to silence her. She opens her eyes to find him gone.

  
  Very well said!
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  idhukku badhila reNdu poovai "symbolic"-A moDha vittirundha dhAn kanRAviyA irundhirukkum.

  
  
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  (Sukanya's acting there is terrible- makes one wonder why Kamal paired with her "twice".).

  
  It's so unconvincing that it would'nt have been apt even for a mom consoling a crying child
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Oct 8 2:59:57 2007.

  PR,
  One more important point which is easily overlooked is that might well be the last time Krishnaswamy sees Yamuna (looking at the situation from that point in time).... Rage, love, desparation, vengeance, what not? - thats why this scene is not only natural, but also *essential*!
  
  

• From: Roshan on Mon Oct 8 8:11:44 2007.

  Prabhu,
  
  A wonderful post as usual and you are right about Suganya's acting in that particular scene. Antha scene-a eppO pAthAlum oru periya uruthalA irukkum enakku
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  PR, One more important point which is easily overlooked is that might well be the last time Krishnaswamy sees Yamuna (looking at the situation from that point in time).... Rage, love, desparation, vengeance, what not? - thats why this scene is not only natural, but also *essential*!

  
  
  Naan nenechEn neenga solliteenga But I also felt that the 'kiss' was some kind of a 'vent' for Krishnaswamy's pain, anger, frustration and helplessness at that very moment.
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  that is one of the most natural and essential kissing scenes in movies ever!

  
  
  
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 8 8:34:07 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: idhukku badhila reNdu poovai "symbolic"-A moDha vittirundha dhAn kanRAviyA irundhirukkum.

  
  
  appadi panna kamalukku enna velai ange
  
  

• From: NOV on Mon Oct 8 9:22:11 2007.

  to all your views.
  as usual, we'll agree to disagree.
  
  how did Mahanadhi fare in the BO? unfortunately I remember that the songs were no great hits. but they were very situational.
  food for thot: would a song ala thenpaandi cheemaiyilE at the end be effective? just a thot altho I'd like to leave classics well alone.
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 8 9:42:43 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  to all your views. as usual, we'll agree to disagree. how did Mahanadhi fare in the BO? unfortunately I remember that the songs were no great hits. but they were very situational. food for thot: would a song ala thenpaandi cheemaiyilE at the end be effective? just a thot altho I'd like to leave classics well alone.

  
  
  ran 150 days in kovai ....
  
  i don't have any links to prove... just a remembrance
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Oct 8 10:11:14 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  to all your views. as usual, we'll agree to disagree. how did Mahanadhi fare in the BO? unfortunately I remember that the songs were no great hits. but they were very situational. food for thot: would a song ala thenpaandi cheemaiyilE at the end be effective? just a thot altho I'd like to leave classics well alone.

  silver jubilee in chennai and super hit in cities..
  
  average in B and C centres... since its a low budget movie, it made its money for all concerned with the movie
  
  

• From: NOV on Mon Oct 8 20:45:25 2007.

  the reason I asked was becos i want kamal to continue making films like this. i know that both hey ram and anbE sivam came after this and the worse thing was VV becoming such a big hit.
  
  am planning to get some DVDs while am in india. any suggestions beyond this list?
  
  Hey Ram
  Nammavar
  Sathi Leelavathi
  Thevar Magan
  Singaaravelan
  Nayakan
  Oru Kaidhiyin Diary
  Moondram Pirai
  Simla Special
  Vazhve Mayam
  Meendum Kokila
  Raaja Paarvai
  Neeya
  Sigappu Rojakkal
  Ilamai Oonjal Aadukirathu
  Aval Appadithaan
  Uyarnthavargal
  Pathinaru Vayathinile
  Pattikkaattu Raja
  Varumayin Niram Sivappu
  
  some of the title are not "great" but I want them for sentimental reasons.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Oct 8 21:26:30 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  am planning to get some DVDs while am in india. any suggestions beyond this list? Hey Ram Nammavar Sathi Leelavathi Thevar Magan Singaaravelan Nayakan Oru Kaidhiyin Diary Moondram Pirai Simla Special Vazhve Mayam Meendum Kokila Raaja Paarvai Neeya Sigappu Rojakkal Ilamai Oonjal Aadukirathu Aval Appadithaan Uyarnthavargal Pathinaru Vayathinile Pattikkaattu Raja Varumayin Niram Sivappu some of the title are not "great" but I want them for sentimental reasons.

  
  Pesum Padam, Aboorva Sagodharargal, MMKR, Guna, Kurudhippunal - I'm not sure if you can get the originals of these DVDs in India (I got the DVDa in Mustafa, Singapore. In particular, i dont think you can get Hey Ram anywhere else)
  
  

• From: NOV on Mon Oct 8 21:32:49 2007.

  forgot to mention. i already have DVDs of:
  
  Kurudhipunal
  Guna
  Mahanadhi
  Aboorva Sagodgharargal
  Avvai Shanmughi
  Kaadhala Kaadhala
  MMKR
  Aalavandhan
  Anbe Sivam
  
  "Great" balaji has promised to get me Hey Ram dvd.
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 9 2:22:02 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  the reason I asked was becos i want kamal to continue making films like this. i know that both hey ram and anbE sivam came after this and the worse thing was VV becoming such a big hit. am planning to get some DVDs while am in india. any suggestions beyond this list? Hey Ram Nammavar Sathi Leelavathi Thevar Magan Singaaravelan Nayakan Oru Kaidhiyin Diary Moondram Pirai Simla Special Vazhve Mayam Meendum Kokila Raaja Paarvai Neeya Sigappu Rojakkal Ilamai Oonjal Aadukirathu Aval Appadithaan Uyarnthavargal Pathinaru Vayathinile Pattikkaattu Raja Varumayin Niram Sivappu some of the title are not "great" but I want them for sentimental reasons.

  
  
  Tick Tick Tick
  Vikram
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Oct 9 15:43:42 2007.

  http://allthingskamal.info/blog/category/series/kamal-a2z/
  
  This is a good initiative. Come on, let's collect our ideas or thoughts (could be abstract) and send it to the series. Some of the wonderful ideas/anecdotes in this thread could be sent.
  
  Kudos to the blog owner, Randramble.
  
  PR started it with "Ananda Jothi", come on...let's do the same...
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Oct 17 16:35:35 2007.

  I saw "Mumbai express" - Slapstick meets implausibility meets Satire - with an anecdotal, self-referential, and metaphorical (!) writing from none other than Kamal himself. Kamal the actor's best comical performance post-millennium (yes, over "Thenali", "PKS", "5thanthiram"). Kamal is in top form in acting with his recent performances(in majority of Anbe Sivam, Virumandi, Mumbai express) being very detached from his persona - hence, the character alone is visible throughout.
  
  I know that the 'praise' isn't the only thing that is supposed to make it here. Can't help it.
  
  As for a favorite scene: yes, the tragicomic sequence in the traffic signal, the emotional sequence with the kid, with kovai sarala, etc - for some of the best in recent times. Of course every comical set piece with Avinashi's (What a 'name' for the character) dumbness(!!) is double the effective(how is that for a partisan word)!
  
  Singeetham's direction is underrated. The man is in top form here. A more mature and well thought out work which people obviously didn't get it. Ah, If 'indulgence' was cared to be appreciated in this part of the world? Because this film has innuendos all over, and an 'ending' (chimerical) that I wouldn't dismiss like most would.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Oct 17 16:43:28 2007.

  Now, the first view was just for mild laughs, the second view was appreciative, the third viewing means more exploration. Kamal is right about the 'intricately' woven films that he writes, and the characters being caricatures of discrete qualities of himself. Overwhelmed to no measures! I'm saying this, because I was as underwhelmed at first. His works never ceases to amaze me...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 17 17:05:18 2007.

  tilak, can u elaborate or breif more on MX, ur views...
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Oct 17 17:10:01 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  tilak, can u elaborate or breif more on MX, ur views...

  
  
  Well, it's something I could try. But the film has evidences at different junctures which suggests Kamal's psyche and maybe a metaphor (and even a satire) of his 'career' or his 'life'. The Self-referential I meant was the blatant Nayagan reference. Well there are so many things to write about, but since it's 02:45 AM here. I need to hit the bed. Maybe some other time. Regards.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Oct 17 17:36:30 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  the reason I asked was becos i want kamal to continue making films like this. i know that both hey ram and anbE sivam came after this and the worse thing was VV becoming such a big hit. am planning to get some DVDs while am in india. any suggestions beyond this list? Hey Ram Nammavar Sathi Leelavathi Thevar Magan Singaaravelan Nayakan Oru Kaidhiyin Diary Moondram Pirai Simla Special Vazhve Mayam Meendum Kokila Raaja Paarvai Neeya Sigappu Rojakkal Ilamai Oonjal Aadukirathu Aval Appadithaan Uyarnthavargal Pathinaru Vayathinile Pattikkaattu Raja Varumayin Niram Sivappu some of the title are not "great" but I want them for sentimental reasons.

  
  Some other KH movies you could add into your collection would be:
  16V, Illamai Oonjal Aadugirathu, Maro Charithra, Kalyanaraman, Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey, Salangai Oli, Saagar, Sippikul Muthu, Sathya, Punnagai Mannan, Unnal Mudiyum Thambi, Pesum Padam, Indran chandran, Chanakyan...
  
  I'm always a big fan of KH's black-and-white movies...You could see a young, raw, acting genius in the making although he took up lot of roles (or rather given I should say) that hardly befitted his calibre!
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Oct 17 17:49:37 2007.

  Also, I vaguely remember there is one film (I believ in the 70's where KH would play a deaf-and-dumb... That was a remake of Sanjeev Kumar's movie in Hindi. Does anyone know the name of that movie? OR is it KH the one who acted in that remake?
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Oct 17 20:56:56 2007.

  Thanks MC
  
  

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Also, I vaguely remember there is one film (I believ in the 70's where KH would play a deaf-and-dumb... That was a remake of Sanjeev Kumar's movie in Hindi. Does anyone know the name of that movie?

  its in my list - uyarndhavargal
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Wed Oct 17 23:58:23 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  "Great" balaji has promised to get me Hey Ram dvd.

  
  
  Me too looking for Hey Ram DVD. Hope Balaji does the favor to me too
  
  BTW any idea where can i get these DVD's in chennai Mainly Kamal movies
  
  

• From: NOV on Thu Oct 18 0:05:41 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  BTW any idea where can i get these DVD's in chennai Mainly Kamal movies

  am planning to buy in pondycheri. angE kedaikkalanaa, will be buying in chennai during my last leg of journey. PM me your contact number and we can all go shopping.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 18 0:06:42 2007.

  NOV wrote:

  its in my list - uyarndhavargal

  
  
  first time, when i saw that name in ur list, i was guessing u mis types uyarntha ullam as so..any more info on that movie ?!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 18 0:08:29 2007.

  pondy sources have ceased quite some time b4. i dont hink any DVDs CDs are still available n pondy, i mean, the regular (?!) illegal way
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Oct 18 0:21:08 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  first time, when i saw that name in ur list, i was guessing u mis types uyarntha manithan as so..any more info on that movie ?!

  
  Uyarndha Ullam
  
  

• From: NOV on Thu Oct 18 0:21:18 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  first time, when i saw that name in ur list, i was guessing u mis types uyarntha manithan as so..any more info on that movie ?!

  how can i mistype NT's film?
  
  Uyarndhavargal was a 70s release and one of the films that i really wanted to see but couldnt becos of age factor.
  if i remember right kamal and sujatha are two mute people who get married and the story is abt thier trials and tribulations.
  
  if i am not mistaken music was by shankar ganesh and had the then popular song: iraivan irandu bommaigal seithaan thaan vilaiyaada avai irandum sErndhoru bommaiyai seithana thaan vilaiyaada. i can recall one more song uyarndhavargal manamE thotta sinungi.
  
  DVD vaangina piragu maththa vivarangal sollrEn.
  
  

• From: NOV on Thu Oct 18 0:24:54 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  pondy sources have ceased quite some time b4. i

  
  balaji told me otherwise.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 18 0:28:17 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Both Deepavali and Pongal will be celebrated on Pongal - Mahavishnu Dasavatharam Day!

  
  thasaavaLi thiruppongal - anru
  theiva tharisanam murai pathu
  paarthu rasikka avai keththu
  
  ennamo theriyala, ippadiyellaam thannalayee thonuthu, yaarum bayappada venam
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Oct 18 0:40:56 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  thasaavaLi thiruppongal - anru theiva tharisanam murai pathu paarthu rasikka avai keththu ennamo theriyala, ippadiyellaam thannalayee thonuthu, yaarum bayappada venam

  
  sOpper ma!
  
  

• From: dell_gt on Thu Oct 18 1:55:47 2007.

  The year was 1991
  
  Kamal hassan had gone on to give Thamizh film world two gems, “Nayagan” in 1987 and “Apoorva Sagodharargal” in 1989. 80’s were gone and 90’s needed a new look and new performances. With the above mentioned movies, he had effortlessly moved into 1990’s like a skilled driver changing to the 5th gear in a desolate highway. 89 also had witnessed the hugely successful “Indhrudu Chandrudu” where he played dual role with totally different shades as only he could do. In a state like Thamizh Nadu where actors are absolutely adored, his string of brilliant performances raised the curiousity levels to dizzying heights.
  
  Sure of himself that makkal is ready to lap up something different from him, Kamal decided to take the biggest gamble as an actor - playing quadarplets separated at birth looking alike and coming together in hilarious circumstances. For this he has inspirations from his guru and the legendary Shivaji Ganeshan’s memorable Navarathiri(where Sivaji plays 9 roles) and Bale Pandiya in which both Sivaji and MR.Radha play dual roles to dazzle the thamizh makkal. So the team of Singeetham, Kamal and Crazy mohan go about creating the most delightful comedy of the 90’s. They create what we adore today as Michael Madhana Kama Rajan.
  
  The screenplay written by Kamal is the real winner in the movie, for it sets up the right situation in which the best actors of South India, Nagesh, Urvasi, Manorama and Nasser revel , not to mention Kamal who delights with four varied roles, varied in their background and hence in their mannerisms, voice and body language. To sample the beauty of the screenplay, lets take the introduction of Raju(kamal), michael(kamal) and Kameshwaran( Kamal). The whole sequence is seamless and the continuity of comedy is incessant and thereby it works like magic.
  
  
  Begin with Michael and David, counterfeiters fleeing police and ram into a transformer in a hotel garage parking . Fire begins out of the short circuit and burns a whole floor of artwork display, and the firebrigade comes in. The lead fireman is Raju (kamal). He extinguishes the fire, falls in love(at first sight) with the painter Shalini (kushboo) and sings a duet in dream only to be awakened by a money lendor asking him payback. Raju comically offers dried fish, which the money lendor throws out of the window, that falls into the pocket of Kameshwaran, a palghat brahmin cook. All of this in a screen span of 20 mins (with a delightful Rum bum bum song by SPB and Chitra scored by the brilliant maestro laid neatly in between) culminating in another 20 mins of laugh riot of “fish in sambhar sequence” which introduces us to two more delightful characters of “Thirupu” (Urvashi) and Paatti (S.N.Lakshmi), not to forget Mani Iyer (Delhi Ganesh - who played Iyer in Nayagan).
  
  Kamal once remarked while making Mumbai Express that the difference between a suspense thriller and comedy is superficial. While the suspense thriller shows all characters without letting the audience know what is happening or what each character knows, a comedy lets the audience know everything without letting the characters know the whole truth. It is more like a practical joke played on the characters by the director. This is exactly what he has done to the characters in MMKR and the result is a 2 and a half hours of delightful joy ride where you are not given even a second to contemplate whys and wherefores.
  
  All this screenplay gimmickry still would not have been sufficient if the dialogues weren’t funny or the artistes substandard. The greatest asset for this film is its dialogues and thankfully all of crazy’s comedy team with the exception of Madhu, Cheenu and Mythili are brought in to great effect. Watch out specially for the scene where the henchmen of Ramgopal (nasser) while following Madhan(Kamal) miss him in a traffic signal and end up following Kameshwaran(Kamal). Particularly the reference to AK-47 is bound to make you fall from chair laughing.
  
  The climax mayhem in the desolate and teethering wooden house on the hilltop and the tribute to Charlie Chaplin’s “The Gold Rush” is totally hilarious with crazy’s dialogues and great acting by the entire cast for another non stop fun filled 20 mins. The film shot nicely by B.C.Gowrishankar (where is he now?) and the music is memorable with its tunes still popular all over thamizh nadu. The background music is perfectly suited and watch out for the subtle changes in the BGM for every Kamal (the one of Kameshwaran and a diametrically different piece for Michael take the cake IMO).
  
  Special mention must be made of Urvashi , who incidentally was reintroduced to thamizh films by Kamal(she was busy doing amazing films in Malayalam) . She made “Thirupu” the best female comic role of nineties. Every gesture and dialogue of hers invited hilarious responses from the audience and the comic chemistry she shared with Kamal adequately spills on to the memorable Thamizh-Mallu song “Sundhari -Neeyum” where Raja mixes, carnatic, soft rock and waltz to deliriously addictive results. One song that stays with you forever.
  
  After enjoying the movie, if one goes into the making, one would accept the fact that making comedy movie is the damn’d most serious job on planet earth apart from launching rockets. NASA guys would say rocket launching is pretty easy in cmparison.
  
  http://www.naachgaana.com/2007/10/17/magic-of-michael-madhana-kama-rajan/
  
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Thu Oct 18 2:03:23 2007.

  The original link:
  
  http://passionforcinema.com/magic-of-michael-madhana-kama-rajan/
  
  

• From: Billgates on Thu Oct 18 11:46:22 2007.

  Dell
  
  A nice post . Good to read .
  
  

• From: Murali Srinivas on Fri Oct 19 8:39:45 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  NOV wrote: its in my list - uyarndhavargal first time, when i saw that name in ur list, i was guessing u mis types uyarntha ullam as so..any more info on that movie ?!

  
  
  This was actually a remake from Hindi " Koshish" starring Sanjeev Kumar and Jaya Bhaduri. It was initially planned to remake it with NT - Vanishree pair with a title "Mounam Enadhu Thai Mozhi", but it never took off. It was somewhere in 1974-75. Later T.N.Baalu (Sattam En Kayil and Shankarlal) made it in 1976 with Kamal and Sujatha.
  
  Both the hero and heroine would be deaf and dumb who get introduced to each other and as circumstances would warrant, they would marry and would be helped by a tramp (A very nice portrayal by Thengai). When they give birth to a child, the anxiety they undergo (that the child should be normal) and the happiness they enjoy seeing a normal child had been done beautifully (That's where the song pointed out by NOV comes). Not remembering much about the second half as it is more than 31 years old except it had a sad end. Over dose of sogam played a part in the film's BO run.
  
  Regards
  
  

• From: NOV on Fri Oct 19 8:50:51 2007.

  thanks murali!
  
  another film I must buy is Kamal's Unarchigal - yet another film I was not allowed to watch then.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Oct 22 1:40:16 2007.

  http://allthingskamal.info/blog/
  
  Avvai shanmughi in A2Z...
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Oct 23 11:03:23 2007.

  After a 7 year search I landed on the transaltion of the poem by the Bengali poet Jibonanda Das, with the starting line "Akash Jyotsna". This is the one read by Rani Mukherji, before the Nee Paartha Paarvai song.
  
  Moonlight in the sky
  On the forest trail
  The scent of the leopard
  My heart is like a deer
  In the silence of this night
  Which way am I going?
  The silvery shadow of leaves
  On my body
  No more deer anywhere
  
  As far as I go I see the moon
  Bent like a sickle
  Cutting the last
  Golden deer-grain
  
  Then sinking slowly
  Into the darkness of all the sleep...
  in the eyes of
  a hundred does
  
  Still searching for "Ebar Tor MorA GangE" from Mahanadhi (which preceeds the "engEyO thikku thisai" song). Given the situation I think it will be even more interesting.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 28 4:06:08 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS7wcPjsqH4
  
  Vijay TV awards CHevaliye sivaaji award to kamal... kamal speech is also there, where he says that NT didnt know the full story of devar magan till dubbing...i was story theriyaamale nadippil pinni eduthirukaar..when we see the movie, appadiyaa theriyuthu..... what a great dedicated actor, how sincere he shud have been to the director's script
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 28 4:34:24 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edqyq4Q-7uU
  punnagai mannan theme music ddance...what a grace.... esp see the dance and movements when kamal does solo....this dance will stand apart high on any day
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 28 4:54:17 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptvz_l5ghWM
  
  watch thalaiver singing the thathuva kuthu song "thoongathy thambi thoongathy" also a chance to see the slightly old madras, marina beach ect..
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHhcJ282_NE
  another song frm same film, varuthu varuthu...good dance
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 28 7:21:12 2007.

  http://marchoflaw.blogspot.com/2007/08/blog-post_18.html
  
  flaws in virumaandi - esp the point of opposing death scentence....eventho we discussed viru for many weeks at a depth even kamal haasan would not have thought of, we missed about this angle...so, now, start mejik...!
  
  

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  விருமாண்டியும் மரணதண்டனையும முன்பு நான் பார்க்க வேண்டும் என்று ஆசைப்பட்ட ‘விருமாண்டி’ படம் பார்க்கும் வாய்ப்பு நேற்று வாய்த்தது. துரதிஷ்டவசமாக, முக்கால்வாசிப் படம்தான் பார்க்க முடிந்தது. எனவே, கதை இறுதியில் பயணிக்கும் பாதையினை அனுமானிக்க முடியவில்லை! எனினும் உறுத்திய சில விஷயங்கள்... மரண தண்டனைக்கு எதிரான படம் என்று கூறப்பட்டதனை வைத்து, படம் வெளி வரும் முன், இவ்வாறான விவாதங்களை அனைத்து மக்களிடமும் கொண்டு செல்லும் படங்கள் வரவேற்க்கப்பட வேண்டும் என்று பதிவெழுதினேன். ஆனால்... உச்ச நீதிமன்றத்தில் நீதிபதியாக மட்டுமே பணியாற்றிய திரு.வி.ஆர்.கிருஷ்ண ஐயரினை ‘Former Chief Justice, Supreme Court of India” என்று அறிமுகப்படுத்தியதில் முதல் சறுக்கல் தொடங்கியது. இரண்டாவது, மரண தண்டனையினை எதிர்நோக்கியிருக்கும் தலைமையாசிரியரின் அறிமுகம், மரண தண்டனைக்கெதிரான விவாதத்தினையே கேலிக்குள்ளாக்குவது. அதாவது, தவறு செய்யும் மாணவனை தலைமையாசிரியர் அடிக்க அவன் சுருண்டு விழுந்து செத்துப் போகிறான். மரண தண்டனை கொடுத்து விட்டார்களாம். மேலும், இறந்த சிறுவன் பள்ளித்தாளாளரின் மகன் என்பதும், தற்கொலைக்கு முயன்றேன் என்பதும் கவனிக்கக்தகுந்தது. இவ்வாறான குற்றங்களுக்கு மரண தண்டனையினை பரிந்துரைக்கும் அளவிற்கு நமது சட்டங்கள் கொடூரமானவையும் அல்ல...நீதிபரிபாலான முறையும் மோசமானது அல்ல. உண்மையில் தலைமையாசிரியருக்கு ஆயுள் தண்டனை கூட வழங்கப்படமாட்டாது! முக்கியமாக, மரண தண்டனைக்கெதிரான விவாதம் இதுவல்ல...ஏனெனில், மரண தண்டனனக்கு எதிரான குரல்கள், குற்றம் பெரிதா, சிறிதா அல்லது தெரிந்து செய்யப்பட்டதா, தெரியாமல் நிகழ்ந்ததா அல்லது குற்றவாளி இரக்கத்திற்கு உரியவனா அல்லது கொடூரனா என்று பார்ப்பதில்லை. நாதுராம் கோட்சே என்றாலும் சரி ஓசாமா பின் லேடனாக இருந்தாலும் சரி, மரண தண்டனை கூடாது என்றுதான் கூறுகிறார்கள். பல சமயங்களில், மரண தண்டனை எதிர்ப்பாளர்களை மடக்குவதற்காக வைக்கப்படும் கேள்வி, ‘சிறுமிகளை பாலியல் கொடுமைக்குட்படுத்தி கொலை செய்தவனுக்கு கூடவா, மரண தண்டனை கூடாது?’ என்பதாகும். எனவே விவாதம் மரண தண்டனை தேவையா இல்லையா என்பதுதானே தவிர, யாருக்கு என்பதல்ல! ஏனெனில் யாருக்கு என்பதில்தால் பாரபட்சம் (discrimination) காட்டப்படுவதாக குற்றச்சாட்டு வைக்கப்படுகிறது. மேலும், ஏஞ்சலா காத்தமுத்து (வலிய வரவழைத்துக் கொண்ட பெயரா?) ‘திருத்தி எழுதப்பட முடியாத தீர்ப்பு உண்டு, அதாவது மரண தண்டனை’ என்பதும் மரண தண்டனையினை எதிர்ப்போர் கைக்கொள்ளும் வாதமல்ல! சில சமயம், அப்பாவிகளும் (innocents) தவறுதலான தீர்ப்புகளால், மரண தண்டனைக்கேதுவாகிறார்கள் என்பதல்ல, மரண தண்டனைக்கு எதிரான வாதம்...உண்மையில் குற்றவாளிக்கும் அல்ல என்பதுதான் அவர்களது வாதம்!! மூன்றாவது, ஏஞ்சலா காத்தமுத்து? அது என்ன, டாக்டர் இன் சிவில் லா? இயக்குஞர் கதாபாத்திரங்களுக்காக மெனக்கெட்டது இவ்வளவுதானா? மேலும் ‘கற்பழிப்பு’ என்ற பதம், பொலிடிக்கலி இன்கரக்ட் என்பது கூட புரியாதா, டாக்டரேட்டா? சரி, கதையின் முடிவென்ன? கமலஹாசன் நிரபராதி என்பதா இல்லை அவருக்கு மரதண்டனை தேவையில்லை என்பதா? எப்படியாயினும், தமிழ்ப்பட ஹீரோயிச கிளீஷேயிலிருந்து, தப்பிக்க முயன்று தோற்ற மற்றொரு படம் என்பது புரிகிறது! இவ்வாறு இரு வேறுபட்ட பார்வைகளில் திரைக்கதையினை நகர்த்துவது என்பது தமிழ் திரைப்படத்திற்கு புதிது...ஆனால் இவ்வகையான திரைக்கதைகளின் வெற்றி, உண்மையென்பது, பொய்க்கும் மெய்க்கும் நடுவே இருப்பது என்ற வகையில் அதனை ரசிகர்களின் யூகத்தில் விடுவதில் இருக்கிறதேயன்றி, இவன் கதாநாயகன் இவன் வில்லன் என்று விளக்குவதில் இல்லை... விருமாண்டியில், கமல்ஹாசன் தமிழ் திரைக்கதையினை அந்த அளவிற்கு உயர்த்தியுள்ளாரா என்பது படத்தினை முழுவதும் பார்க்கும் பாக்கியம் வாய்த்தவர்கள்தான் கூற வேண்டும். ஒரு சமயம், ஏஞ்சலா, தனது பிறந்த ஊராக ‘கீழவெண்மணி’ என்று குறிப்பிடுவதன் காரணம் என்ன?

  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Oct 28 11:36:00 2007.

  எந்த திரைப்படத்தையும் (கலைப்படைப்பையும் சொல்லப்படும் நயத்தைத் தாண்டி கருத்தாய்வு மேற்கொள்வது என்றும் சுவையாக இருப்பதில்லை. என்றாலும் 'பிழை' என்று இவற்றை சொல்வதை பதில் இல்லாமல் விட முடியாது
  
  

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  மரண தண்டனையினை எதிர்நோக்கியிருக்கும் தலைமையாசிரியரின் அறிமுகம், மரண தண்டனைக்கெதிரான விவாதத்தினையே கேலிக்குள்ளாக்குவது.

  கேலியா ! தலைமையாசிரியராக சிறு வேடத்தில் வந்தாலும் ஒரு வித கலக்கத்தை ஏற்படுத்தியிருந்தது அந்த பாத்திரம். அதை ஏற்று நடித்தவர் கவிஞர், திரைப்பட ஆர்வலர் புவியரசு.
  "இதான் நியாயம்னா என் வீட்டு விட்டத்துலயே நான் தொங்கியிருப்பேன்"
  என்று அவர் சொல்வது தான் இந்த படத்தின் துவக்கமே.
  
  
  வாத்தியார் முன்மாதிரியாக இருக்க வேண்டும் என்ற மனைவியின் சொல் கேட்டு வந்தவரை, சாகடிக்க தீர்ப்பு விதிக்கப்படிகிறது. அவர் சாவின் மூலமாக பாடம் புகட்ட வேண்டும் என்றால் அதை தானே செய்திருக்கலாம். அரசாங்கம் சாகடிப்பது மரியாதையான மரணம் எல்லாம் கிடையாது என்று சொல்கிறார்.
  
  மரணதண்டனையை ஆத்ரிக்கும் கருத்துக்களில் ஒன்றான : "மக்களுக்கு முன் மாதிரியாக இருப்பது" என்பது படத்தின் துவக்கத்திலேயே இவ்வாறு நிராகரிக்கப்படுகிறது. மரணம் எப்போதுமே அசிங்கமாக தான் இருக்கும் (நல்லம்மன் பிணத்தில் ஈக்கள் மொஇப்பது போல). அரசாங்கம் செய்தாலும் கூட மரணத்துக்கு அர்த்தம் கற்பித்து விட முடியாது.
  
  

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  அதாவது, தவறு செய்யும் மாணவனை தலைமையாசிரியர் அடிக்க அவன் சுருண்டு விழுந்து செத்துப் போகிறான். மரண தண்டனை கொடுத்து விட்டார்களாம். மேலும், இறந்த சிறுவன் பள்ளித்தாளாளரின் மகன் என்பதும், தற்கொலைக்கு முயன்றேன் என்பதும் கவனிக்கக்தகுந்தது. இவ்வாறான குற்றங்களுக்கு மரண தண்டனையினை பரிந்துரைக்கும் அளவிற்கு நமது சட்டங்கள் கொடூரமானவையும் அல்ல...நீதிபரிபாலான முறையும் மோசமானது அல்ல. உண்மையில் தலைமையாசிரியருக்கு ஆயுள் தண்டனை கூட வழங்கப்படமாட்டாது!

  
  இதற்கு பதிலாக ஒரு கமல் வசனம், மகாநதியிலிருந்து)
  முத்துசாமி: சட்டப்படி நீ சரணடையறது தான் நல்லது
  கிருஷ்ணா: யார் சட்டப்படு ?..... வசதி இல்லாத என்னால நிஜத்தை மட்டும் இல்லைங்க, என்னைக்கூட காப்பாத்திக்க முடியாது
  

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  மேலும், ஏஞ்சலா காத்தமுத்து (வலிய வரவழைத்துக் கொண்ட பெயரா?) ‘திருத்தி எழுதப்பட முடியாத தீர்ப்பு உண்டு, அதாவது மரண தண்டனை’ என்பதும் மரண தண்டனையினை எதிர்ப்போர் கைக்கொள்ளும் வாதமல்ல!

  ஏன் ?
  கொண்டராசை வெட்டி கொண்டாரேன் என்று ஆரம்பிக்கும் ஒரு மாலைப்பொழுது மன்னிப்பில் கரைய ஆரம்பிக்கிறது. மரணம் எந்த விதத்திலும் எதையும் தீர்ப்பதில்லை. மரணம் ஒரு தீர்வாகும் என்று நம்பிய சண்டியனுக்கும் அரசாங்கத்துக்கும் எந்த வித்தியாசமும் இல்லை. சொல்லப்போனால் மன்னிக்கத் தெரியாத, மனிதத்தன்மையற்ற ஸ்தாபனமாக சட்டம் இருக்கிறது.
  

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  மூன்றாவது, ஏஞ்சலா காத்தமுத்து? அது என்ன, டாக்டர் இன் சிவில் லா? இயக்குஞர் கதாபாத்திரங்களுக்காக மெனக்கெட்டது இவ்வளவுதானா?

  எதில் டாக்டரேட் வாங்கினால் சரியாக இருக்குமாம் ? ஹோமியோபதியிலா ? அவர் பின்புலம் ஒரு சண்டியனைக் கூட நம்ப வைத்து அவளுக்கு (நமக்கும்) அவன் கதையை சொல்ல வைக்கும் அளவுக்கு ஆழமாக இருக்கிறது. மெனக்கெடவில்லை என்று சொல்ல முடியாது.
  
  

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  மேலும் ‘கற்பழிப்பு’ என்ற பதம், பொலிடிக்கலி இன்கரக்ட் என்பது கூட புரியாா, டாக்டரேட்டா?

  அவஙளுக்கு புரியும். ஆனால், பாலியல் வன்புணர்ச்சி அப்டின்னு சொன்னா விருமாண்டிக்கு புரியுமா ?
  

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  சரி, கதையின் முடிவென்ன? கமலஹாசன் நிரபராதி என்பதா இல்லை அவருக்கு மரதண்டனை தேவையில்லை என்பதா?

  முடிவு, தீர்வு, இதனால் சொல்லப்படும் நீதி யாதெனில் இதை எல்லாம் தாண்டி தமிழ்ப்படம் நகர்வது முக்கியம். (கமல் நீதிபோதனையில் நாட்டம் உள்ளவர் என்று இன்ஙு சொல்லத்தான் வேண்டும்)
  
  அரசாங்கம் இந்த தண்டனையின் மூலம் சொல்ல விரும்பிய எல்லா விஷயங்களும் வெறுமையில் முடிகின்றன. செத்த பிணத்தை கொல்வது இந்த சட்டத்தின் அர்த்தமற்ற நிலையை காண்பிக்கிறது. அதற்கு மேல் செய்தியாளர்கள் வெற்றூ வார்த்தைகளாக பேசிக்கொண்டிருக்கும்பொழுதே விருமாண்டி முடிந்துவிடுகிறது.
  
  

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  கமல்ஹாசன் தமிழ் திரைக்கதையினை அந்த அளவிற்கு உயர்த்தியுள்ளாரா என்பது படத்தினை முழுவதும் பார்க்கும் பாக்கியம் வாய்த்தவர்கள்தான் கூற வேண்டும்.

  அறிவை மீறிய பலம் என்பது மனித நாகரித்தின் ஆதாரமான பிரச்சனை, அரசியல் பிரச்சனையும் தான் ! இந்த படத்தை "சண்டியர்" என்ற தலைப்பை வைத்துக்கொண்டே பார்ப்பது அவசியம். இந்த கருத்தை மைய இழையாக கொண்டு, உண்மையின் தன்மையை இதை விட அழகாக ஆராய்ந்த தமிழ் படம் எதுவும் இல்லை. தமிழ் திரை எழுத்தில் இது ஒரு மகத்துவமான படைப்பு.
  
  

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  ஒரு சமயம், ஏஞ்சலா, தனது பிறந்த ஊராக ‘கீழவெண்மணி’ என்று குறிப்பிடுவதன் காரணம் என்ன?

  காண்பிப்பது கலைஞன் வேலை. காரணங்கள், அர்த்தங்கள் கொள்வது நம் வேலை. எனக்கு எட்டிய இரு காரணங்கள்.
  தமிழக வரலாற்றில் மிக மோசமான ஜாதிவெறியாட்டத்தின் உதாரணம் கீழ்வெண்மணி. ஜாதிவெறி + அதிகாரம் இரண்டும் கலந்த உருவமாக வருகிற பேய்க்காமனிடம் இந்த ஒரு வார்த்தை அடியாகத் தான் விழுந்திருக்கும்.
  
  இன்னொரு கோணத்தில் பார்த்தால்: கீழ்வெண்மணி போன்ற மிருகச்செயல்கள் தெரிந்திருந்தாலும் மரணதண்டனையின் மீது நாட்டம் இல்லாதவராய் எஞ்சலா இருப்பது அவர் கொள்கைப் பிடிப்பை மேலும் வலுவாக சித்தரிக்கிறது.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sun Oct 28 12:53:22 2007.

  
  
  - some of the reactions reading PR's post. How I wish I knew Tamil as much as he does, and How I wish I could put 'em in words half as effective as he does.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sun Oct 28 12:58:28 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Quote: சரி, கதையின் முடிவென்ன? கமலஹாசன் நிரபராதி என்பதா இல்லை அவருக்கு மரதண்டனை தேவையில்லை என்பதா? முடிவு, தீர்வு, இதனால் சொல்லப்படும் நீதி யாதெனில் இதை எல்லாம் தாண்டி தமிழ்ப்படம் நகர்வது முக்கியம். (கமல் நீதிபோதனையில் நாட்டம் உள்ளவர் என்று இன்ஙு சொல்லத்தான் வேண்டும்) Quote: மூன்றாவது, ஏஞ்சலா காத்தமுத்து? அது என்ன, டாக்டர் இன் சிவில் லா? இயக்குஞர் கதாபாத்திரங்களுக்காக மெனக்கெட்டது இவ்வளவுதானா? எதில் டாக்டரேட் வாங்கினால் சரியாக இருக்குமாம் ? ஹோமியோபதியிலா ?

  
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Oct 28 15:05:12 2007.

  PR, discussion sooda nadakkumnu thaan post panninen. Perfecta post panni,, athai mudichi vachiteengLE !!!
  
  the blogger who posted this is a lawyer and his tone was like this only, in other posts too....like the one below, where he again says something incorrect abt kamal
  
  http://marchoflaw.blogspot.com/2007/05/blog-post_5145.html
  
  my comments are in the last...
  
  

• From: great on Tue Oct 30 3:57:24 2007.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Me too looking for Hey Ram DVD. Hope Balaji does the favor to me too BTW any idea where can i get these DVD's in chennai Mainly Kamal movies

  
  
  I have Hey Ram DVD In chennai you would get in Burma buzaar and few other buzaars
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 30 4:53:21 2007.

  great wrote:

  Thirumaran wrote: Me too looking for Hey Ram DVD. Hope Balaji does the favor to me too BTW any idea where can i get these DVD's in chennai Mainly Kamal movies I have Hey Ram DVD In chennai you would get in Burma buzaar and few other buzaars

  
  
  Okie. Will check that
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Thu Nov 1 3:34:33 2007.

  http://filmiwala-tamil.blogspot.com/?mid=-1335177973021572750,-6716859709722522357,-31458269439957164&mode=watch
  
  crystal clear HEY RAM film
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Nov 1 6:05:31 2007.

  ஹேராம் பற்றி சுஜாதா
  
  சாகேதராமன் கொன்றான் என்று சொல்ல முடியாது. ஆனால் காந்தியை கொல்ல முயற்சித்தவன் சாகேதராமன் என்கிற அளவுக்கு உண்மையுடன் விளையாடலாம். உண்மைச் சம்பவத்தை சார்ந்து படம் பண்ணுவதில் சந்தோஷங்களும் உண்டு. படமா நிஜமா என்கிற பிரமிப்பை ஏற்படுத்தலாம். இந்தப் படத்தில் பல கட்டஙகளில் இந்த பிரமிப்பு ஏற்படுகிறது.
  
  இந்தப் படத்தை அண்மையில் பார்த்து ரசிக்கும் வாய்ப்பு எனக்கு கிடைத்தது. எங்கே எப்போது எந்த வடிவத்தில் என்பதெல்லாம் இந்தக் கட்டுரைக்கு அப்பாற்பட்ட விஷயம். கமல் எனது நீண்ட நாள் நண்பர். அதனால் தனது முதல் டைரக்ஷன் படத்தை எனக்குக் காட்டுவதில் அவருக்குத் தயக்கம் இருக்கவில்லை. என் மனதுக்குபட்ட கருத்துக்களைத் தௌ¤வாக பூசி மழுப்பாமல் சொல்லி விடுவேன் என்பது அவருக்குத் தெரியும், முதன் முறை டைரக்ஷன் என்று சொல்வது கூட சரியில்லை. ஏனெனில் "மருத நாயகம்" ஏறத்தாழ இருபது நிமிஷமும் "சாச்சி 420" இந்திப் படத்தையும் கமல் இயக்கியிருக்கிறார். முதன் முறையாக டைரக்ஷனில் அவர் பெயர் போட்டு வெளிவரும் படம் ஹே ராம். தமிழ் சினிமா ரசிகர்களுக்கு இந்தப் படத்தை உள்வாங்கிக் கொண்டு ரசிக்க ஒரு சில முன்னேற்பாடுகள் தேவை என்று நம்புகிறேன். காரணம் சொல்கிறேன்
  
  ஹே ராம் தமிழிலும் இந்தியிலும் தனித்தனியே எடுக்கப்பட்ட இரண்டு படம். இந்திப்படமோ தமிழ்ப்படமோ மட்டும் அல்ல; ஓர் இந்தியப் படம். அது உண்மைச் சம்பவத்தின் நிழலில் அமைக்கப்பட்ட ஒரு கற்பனைக் கதை. டாமினிக் லாபியேர் எழுதிய Freedom at Midnight என்கிற புத்தகத்தில் மகாத்மா காந்தியைக் கொல்ல சதி செய்தவர்களில் மற்றொரு குழுவும் இருந்தது என்று போகிற போக்கில் குறிப்பிட்டுள்ள செய்தியின் அடிப்படையில் கமல் ஒரு சுவாரசியமான கதை பின்னியிருக்கிறார் மொகாஞ்சதாரோ, கராச்சி, கல்கத்தா, சென்னை- தமிழ்நாடு, கோலாப்பூர், டில்லி என்று நாடெங்கும் உலவும் கதை. சாகேதராமன் என்கிற தென்னிந்திய பிராமண கதாநாயகன் கல்கத்தாவில் தன் பெங்காலி புதுமனைவியுடன் சுகமாக வாழத் துவங்கும் சமயத்தில் இந்து முஸ்லிம் கலவரம் வந்து மனைவி பலாத்காரம் செய்யப்பட்டு கொல்லப்படுவதை கண்முன்னே பார்க்கிறான். ஒரு கணத்தில் வாழ்வில்அத்தனை எதிர்பார்ப்புக்களையும் சந்தோஷங்களையும இழந்தவனுக்கு மெல்ல மெல்ல அவன் மனைவி இறந்ததற்குக் காரணம் மகாத்மா காந்திதான் என்பது மனதில் பதிவாகிறது. அல்லது பதியவைக்ககப்படுகிறது. மனைவியின் மரணத்தை மறக்க சொந்த ஊர் சென்று இரண்டாவது கல்யாணம் செய்து கொள்கிறான். அவன் மனதில் முதல் மனைவியின் ஞாபகங்கள் துரத்த ஒருநாள் எல்லாவற்றையும் காசிக்குப் போய்த் துறந்து விட்டு டில்லிக்கு வருகிறான். காந்தியைக் கொல்ல! மிச்சத்தை நீங்கள் வெள்ளித்திரையில் காணலாம்.
  
  உண்மை சம்பவத்தின் சாயலில் ஒரு கற்பனைக் கதையைப் பின்னுவதில் சங்கடங்களும் சந்தோஷங்களும் உள்ளன. ஜே எஃப் கே, டே அஃப் த ஜக்கால் (JFK. Day of the Jackal) போன்ற படங்களுடன் இதை ஒப்பிட முடிகிறது சங்கடங்கள் இவை - உண்மை சம்பவங்களை அதிகம் திரிக்க முடியாது முக்கியமான சம்பவ மைல் கற்கள் அசைக்க முடியாதவை என்பது உலகமே அறியும். சாகேதராமன் கொன்றான் என்று சொல்ல முடியாது. ஆனால் காந்தியை கொல்ல முயற்சித்தவன் சாகேதராமன் என்கிற அளவுக்கு உண்மையுடன் விளையாடலாம். உண்மைச் சம்பவத்தை சார்ந்து படம் பண்ணுவதில் சந்தோஷங்களும் உண்டு. படமா நிஜமா என்கிற பிரமிப்பை ஏற்படுத்தலாம். இந்தப் படத்தில் பல கட்டஙகளில் இந்த பிரமிப்பு ஏற்படுகிறது.
  
  நசீருதின் ஷா காந்தியாக வருகிறார். அட்டன்பரோவின் "காந்தி" படத்தின் பென்கிங்ஸ்லியை விட அருமையாக செய்திருக்கிறார். கல்கத்தா கலகங்கள் குலைநடுங்க வைக்கின்றன. கோலாப்பூரில் போலா, தென்னிந்திய கிராமத்தில் "வாரணமாயிரம்", 1948 காலகட்டத்துக் கட்டடங்கள், கார்கள், பழக்க வழக்கங்கள் அந்த சரித்திரக் கொலைக்குப் பிறகு நிகழ்ந்த சம்பவங்கள் இவையெல்லாவற்றையும் சித்தரிக்கும் விஸ்தாரமான விதானத்தை தைரியமாக எடுத்து விரித்திருக்கிறார் கமல். ஒரு அகில இநதியப் புகழ் நடிகராக இருப்பதால் அவருடைய முதல் டைரக்ஷன் முயற்சிக்கு பல தென் இந்திய வட இநதிய நண்பர்கள் ஒத்துழைத்திருக்கிறார்கள் ஷாருக்கான், நசிருதின் ஷா, ஓம் பூரி, கிரிஷ் கர்னாடு, ஷேமமாலினி என்று ஒரு நட்சத்திரக் குவியல் படத்தில் இருக்கிறது. காந்தியின் பேரரான துஷார் காந்தி படத்தில் எட்டிப் பார்த்திருக்கிறார். துஷார் காந்தியாகவே. (உண்மையையும் கற்ப€யையும இரண்டறக் கலக்கும் சாகசத்தில் இதுவும் ஒன்று) மற்ற நடிகர்களுக்குப் பொருத்தமான பாத்திரங்கள்தான் கொடுத்திருக்கிறார் கமல். ஷாருக் கான் ஆடுகிறார், துப்பாக்கி து‘க்குகிறார். பம்பாய் சினிமா பாணியில் அல்ல. வேறு விதமாக. புதிய முகமான யுவதி வசுந்தரா ஒன்றுமறியாத இளம் மனைவியாக ஆனால் ஒரு பெண்ணின் உள்ளுணர்வுடன் கணவனின் மன ஆழத்தில் உள்ள சோகத்தை புரிந்து கொள்ளும் ஒரு அருமையான பாத்திரப்படைப்பு. அந்த பச்சைக் கண் குழந்தைக் குமரியின் மேல் ஏற்படும் அனுதாபம் வடிகால் இல்லாமல் போய்விடுகிறது. நிஜ வர்ழ்க்கையின் இரக்கமற்ற விஷயங்களில் ஒன்று ராம் அவளைப் பெண் பார்க்க வருவது. அவள் செய்த எம்ப்ராய்டரியையும் பாட்டுத் திறமையையும குடும்பத்தார் விளக்குவது போன்ற காட்சிகள் கமலின் டைரக்ஷன் பாணியை தனிப்பட்டு அடையாளம் காட்டுகின்றன. கமலுக்கு இந்தப் படத்தில் பல தடங்கல்கள் நேர்ந்தன. சாதாரணமாக அதற்கெல்லாம் நவக்கிரக பூஜை நாடி ஜோசியம், ஐயப்பன், திருப்பதி என்றெல்லாம் பரிகாரம் தேடியிருப்பார்கள். கமல் ஒவ்வொரு நெருக்கடியையும் யதார்த்தமாக எதிர் கொண்டார். மோகன் கோக்கலே என்னும் அபார நடிகர் அகால மரணம் அடைந்து சம்பந்தப்பட்ட காட்சிகளையெல்லாம் மறுபடி எடுக்க வேண்டியிருந்தது இசைஅமைப்பாளரை நட்டாற்றில் மாற்ற வேண்டியிருந்தது. கதை தெரியாத மீடியா ஆசாமிகளின் அக்கப்போர். படத்தைப் பார்த்து கோபித்துக் கொள்ளப் போகிறவர்கள் யார் என்பதில் ஹேஷ்யங்கள். இவைகளால் எந்த விதத்திலும் கலங்கி விடாமல் கமல் படத்தை முடித்து வைத்திருக்கிறார். இதை ஒரு இந்தியப் படம் என்று நான் சொன்னதற்கு ஒரு முக்கியமான காரணம் உள்ளது. இந்திய தேசத்தில் வடக்கு தெற்கும் கிழக்கு மேற்குமாக நாம் அலையும் போது எப்படிப் பேசிக் கொள்கிறோம், எப்படி ஒருவரை ஒருவர் புரிந்து கொள்கிறோம், அந்த விதத்தில்தான் தேவைப்பட்ட அளவுக்கு authenticity க்காக மற்றமொழி வசனங்களைப் பயன் படுத்தியுள்ளார். அந்த வசனங்களால் கதையின் புரிதலில் எந்தவித பாதிப்பும இல்லாதபடி எடுத்திருக்கிறார். உதாரணமாக காந்தி இந்தியில் பேசினார். படத்தில் தமிழில் பேசினால் சரிவராது அதனால் இந்தி பதிப்பில் இநதியிலும தமிழ் பதிப்பில் ஆங்கிலத்திலும் காந்தி பேசுமாறு அமைத்திருக்கிறார். சப் டைட்டில், வாய்ஸ் ஓவர் போன்ற உத்திகளை குறைந்த அளவுக்குப் பயன்படுத்தலாம் என்று சொன்னேன். ராணி முகர்ஜி, ஷாருக் போன்றவர்கள் கதா நாயகன் சாகேதராமனுடன் நட்பாலும் பழக்கத்தாலும் கற்றுக் கொண்ட குறைந்த பட்ச வார்த்தைகளோடு தமிழில் பேசுகிறார்கள். இதனால் கமல் மொழிப் பிரச்சினை, யதார்த்தம் இரண்டையும் ஒரு கல்லில் இரண்டு மாங்காயாக சமாளித்திருக்கிறார். அவர்கள் பேசும் தமிழ் உச்சரிப்பினால் படத்தில் ஒரு வினோதம் இருந்தாலும் அது கதையில் ஒன்றிப் போவதால் பேசுவது தமிழா, இநதியா, ஆங்கிலமா என்கிற கேள்விகள் எல்லாம் இரண்டாம் பட்சமாகி அடிபட்டுப் போய்விடும் என்கிற நம்பிக்கை இருக்கிறது. உண்மையான இந்தியப் படம் இது. கமல் மசாலாப் படங்களிலோ, கால்கிராம் கதையம்சம் கொண்ட படங்களிலோ நடிப்பதை இனி நிறத்திவிடுவார் என்ற சொல்ல முடியாது. அந்தப் படங்களில் அவ்வப்போது நடித்தால்தான் இந்தப் படங்களையும் எடுக்க முடியும். என்னைக் கேட்டபோது இரண்டு வகைப் படங்கள் பண்ணுவதில் தயக்கம் இருக்கக் கூடாது. அவருடைய அபாரத் திறமை இரண்டு ஜாதிக்கும் பயன்படும் என்று சொன்னேன் ஹேராம் கமல் என்கிற மிகச் சிறந்த கலைஞனின் நடிப்புப் பயணத்தில் அடுத்த கட்டம் இந்திய சினிமாவில் கதை சொல்லும் பாணியிலும் இந்த தேசத்தின் பலதரப்பட்ட கலாச்சார்ஙகளை உள் வாங்கியதாகவும் எடுக்கப்பட்ட சில படங்கள் வந்திருக்கின்றன. அவைகளில் யோக்கியமாக எடுக்கப் பட்டவை வெற்றியும் பெற்றிருக்கின்றன (சலாம் பாம்பே). மேம்போக்காக எடுக்கப்படடவை சில தோல்வியும் அடைகின்றன (ஹனுமான்). மீரா நாயர், ஷேகர் கபூர், "லைட்" சியாமளன் போன்ற இந்தியர்களை ஹாலிவுட்டும் வரவேற்றிருக்கிறது. கமலின் ஹாலுவுட் பிரவேசத்திற்கான களம் அமைக்கும் படம் ஜேராம், ஸாரி ஹேராம். நடிகனாகவா, டைரக்டராகவா என்பதை அவர் தீர்மானிக்க வேண்டியிருக்கும்
  
  http://bharathi-kannamma.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post.html
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Nov 2 7:13:46 2007.

  Nice write-up. It will be great if Sujatha confines himself to essays henceforth. It has kind of become his forte.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Fri Nov 2 13:32:07 2007.

  நல்ல எதிர்வாதங்கள் பிரபு, ஆனால் 'மரண தாண்டனை'பற்றிய எனது தனிப்பட்ட கருத்து ஏஞ்சலா காத்தமுத்துவின் கருதுக்கு முரணானது என்பதால் அதை அதிகம் ரசிக்க முடியாத ஒரு நிலை. ஆனாலும் எதிர்தரப்பு வாதஙளை புரிந்து அதைப்பற்றி பார்வையாளர்கள் மேலும் அலச கூடிய விதத்தில் காட்சிகளும், வசனஙளும் படத்தில் அமைந்திருப்பதை மறுக்கவோ, பாராட்டாமல் இருக்கவோ முடியாது
  
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  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  அவஙளுக்கு புரியும். ஆனால், பாலியல் வன்புணர்ச்சி அப்டின்னு சொன்னா விருமாண்டிக்கு புரியுமா ?

  
  
  பொதுவாக உபயோகிக்கும் பதம் 'பாலியல் வன்முறை' என்று நினைக்கிறேன்.
  
  
  

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  காண்பிப்பது கலைஞன் வேலை. காரணங்கள், அர்த்தங்கள் கொள்வது நம் வேலை. எனக்கு எட்டிய இரு காரணங்கள். தமிழக வரலாற்றில் மிக மோசமான ஜாதிவெறியாட்டத்தின் உதாரணம் கீழ்வெண்மணி. ஜாதிவெறி + அதிகாரம் இரண்டும் கலந்த உருவமாக வருகிற பேய்க்காமனிடம் இந்த ஒரு வார்த்தை அடியாகத் தான் விழுந்திருக்கும். இன்னொரு கோணத்தில் பார்த்தால்: கீழ்வெண்மணி போன்ற மிருகச்செயல்கள் தெரிந்திருந்தாலும் மரணதண்டனையின் மீது நாட்டம் இல்லாதவராய் எஞ்சலா இருப்பது அவர் கொள்கைப் பிடிப்பை மேலும் வலுவாக சித்தரிக்கிறது.

  
  
  
  
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• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Fri Nov 2 23:19:35 2007.

  Can anyone tell approximately how many characters was casted in virumaandi? no googling please
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Nov 4 5:23:58 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Can anyone tell approximately how many characters was casted in virumaandi? no googling please

  as none came up, iam revealing the ans, its 54!
  
  now, if possible, let anyone can list out aleast the half of them!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Nov 4 13:36:32 2007.

  Half of them ?
  1. Angela
  2. Girish (cameraman)
  3. PeykkAman
  4. Marimuthu (?) Gounder - headmaster
  5. NarAyanan - death row inmate who 'dies'
  6. KothAlan
  7. KOttachchAmi
  8. RAsukkALai
  9. Kondangi
  10.Annalachumi
  11.Nallamma Naicker
  12.PeddarAsu (Nallaman's son)
  13.KondarAsu
  14.RAmarAsu (eyewitness)
  15.VaidyanAthayyar (Nallaman's lawyer)
  16.PAlpAndi (Kothalan's lawyer)
  17.SuppAththA
  
  Nameless ones
  18.Kothalan's wife
  19.Nallaman's mother
  20.Nallaman's wife
  21.PoosAri
  22.Jailer (Nasser)
  23.KothAlan's mother
  24.Drawing teacher
  25.Gandhimathi
  26.VirumAndi's maamA
  27. KothAlan's sidekick who spots VirumAndi in the court...this guy is an old timer and can be spotten in BR flicks like Mudhal MariyAdhai
  28-29. Two scared Wardeinga
  
  SKV, I got to the half-way mark
  
  These are largely the folks with lines.
  
  Then of course there are the groups:
  KothAlan's kids
  Gubeer Jolly brothers etc.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Nov 4 15:30:29 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Half of them ? 12.PeddarAsu (Nallaman's son) 13.KondarAsu 14.RAmarAsu (eyewitness) all 3 raasu's ! 15.VaidyanAthayyar (Nallaman's lawyer) 16.PAlpAndi (Kothalan's lawyer) what a mem power! Nameless ones 23.KothAlan's mother - is there anyone such? SKV, I got to the half-way mark

  
  including Virumaandi, you scored 30!
  some u left
  31. maalan the interviewer in sun tv
  32. rajesh - the police
  33. the kanja selling prisoner
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Mon Nov 5 18:29:47 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: Half of them ? 12.PeddarAsu (Nallaman's son) 13.KondarAsu 14.RAmarAsu (eyewitness) all 3 raasu's ! 15.VaidyanAthayyar (Nallaman's lawyer) 16.PAlpAndi (Kothalan's lawyer) what a mem power! Nameless ones 23.KothAlan's mother - is there anyone such? SKV, I got to the half-way mark including Virumaandi, you scored 30! some u left 31. maalan the interviewer in sun tv 32. rajesh - the police 33. the kanja selling prisoner

  
  34. Krishna Iyer - The former supreme court justice of India. It's great to see a former supreme court justice giving his views on capital punishment. Only KH can pull this off!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Nov 5 19:05:15 2007.

  35. The prison officer who explains about Death Sentence Procedures...(Ganniyamaana murayil saagadikkapadugiraargal!)
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 17 1:54:10 2007.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3yAZkJaOc0&feature=related
  
  what a graceful solo dance
  superb music by MSV
  meaning ful lines by kannadasan, i guess
  fitting expressions.
  
  some lyryics also appeal to him personally...
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sat Nov 17 4:04:47 2007.

  Few random points on Thevar Magan:
  
  1) the film ends the way it starts for Sakthi to represents the cyclic 'thevar magans',
  2) The line "enneyum kolaikaran akitiyE da" is a double entendre, for the religion/Casteism/religious Sect (as he symbolically says it, facing the God,) and not for Nasser alone.
  3) The battle ground-like scene begins with a windy forest, goes onto greener pastures (symbolically, Kamal and Nasser jump to the greener pastures,) and finally the soil/land of the doctrine.
  4) The last scene of Kamal's rambling to Vadivelu and Co, is what the film is all about. Not just individualism is a social construct, Kamal reiterates the need for the individualism, how it shouldn't be expensed for the social sect and the superiorty of a sect over the other. (note that 'social' here is more towards Religious socialism)
  5) The long shot of Kamal's grumblings before he surrenders.
  6) The Police look to be waiting for the feud to end, is another point to be noted. It's slightly cinematic, but what I thought of it is, the policing is "evidential" than solving the feud, as you can see, when Sakthi drops the machete, the inspector takes his kerchief out to collect it, and goes on with the procedural, as pragmatic as it gets.
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Sat Nov 17 5:28:06 2007.

  great wrote:

  Thirumaran wrote: Me too looking for Hey Ram DVD. Hope Balaji does the favor to me too BTW any idea where can i get these DVD's in chennai Mainly Kamal movies I have Hey Ram DVD In chennai you would get in Burma buzaar and few other buzaars

  
  
  Hi Great its one of my all time fav muvie... How is the clarity? Is it the original DVD?
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Nov 18 20:35:25 2007.

  Sakthivel Gounder
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bN04Vp-3Qg&feature=related
  
  

• From: MADDY on Sun Nov 18 21:20:04 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Few random points on Thevar Magan: 2) The line "enneyum kolaikaran akitiyE da" is a double entendre, for the religion/Casteism/religious Sect (as he symbolically says it, facing the God,) and not for Nasser alone.

  
  
  - i think, kamal, with his boundless knowledge gets too judgemental abt things in his movies.......he shuld let the viewer judge - but he hardly lets them.........one example, i personally experienced was in anbe Sivam - wow, he goes length and breadth to force the "yuppiness" of Madhavan character........
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Nov 19 1:44:45 2007.

  Nandhu
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTLFvv8fsng&feature=related
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Nov 19 3:56:48 2007.

  MADDY wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: Few random points on Thevar Magan: 2) The line "enneyum kolaikaran akitiyE da" is a double entendre, for the religion/Casteism/religious Sect (as he symbolically says it, facing the God,) and not for Nasser alone. 1)kamal, with his boundless knowledge gets too judgemental abt things in his movies 2)he shuld let the viewer judge - but he hardly lets them.. 3)one example, i personally experienced was in anbe Sivam - wow, he goes length and breadth to force the "yuppiness" of Madhavan character........

  
  
  1) Agreed, but that's not a disadvantage. What we get from this powerful medium is the platform to express the writer's thoughts, unfortunately Indians are emotional specimens, perhaps not as bad as many other fundamentalist nations are, but still. Take our neighbouring state, Kerala, there again the writers are curbed to some extent, but with more freedom to express. However, I agree with Kamal in general terms, that the books give more freedom to the writer than visual medium gives.
  
  Now ignoring the obvious, What we could further debate is the writer's underlying implication? I personally find it very sincere and apt, hatred within/between 'religious sects' is mindboggling. Vedhai yaar pottadhu?
  
  To the point, I don't see it as a problem at all. The judgment isn't forced as you say, for many, "Thevar Magan" is about a simple family feud. The undercurrents are subtle.
  
  Finally, this could be countermanded too, we could equally accuse someone of non-committal escapist approach, if he is insincere in different issues. In any case, I would be doubly sad if there was only one style/kind of storytelling was to exist. For that matter, any lover of cinema would..
  
  2) Oh, he 'judges' about things, because he isn't muddled (like our Mani sir for example.) Besides, his works are often deceptive, and in fact, he's the best in Tamil cinema for being elusive.
  
  3) Partly agree. But I did see Anbarasu being more 'hip' than being a 'Yuppie' as we know the term, this is from the events throgh their journey. The transformation was commendable from what I see. Forcing the characterization was felt, but not to the levels of Maddy being forced as a arrogant Tamil writer in Kannathil muthamital.
  
  

• From: kamath on Mon Nov 19 5:31:16 2007.

  Thevar magan was a well made film but the film unwittingly (or wittingly) portrayed the particualr community in superior terms.
  
  The dialogues from sivaji " Sudhandhiram kural kodutha po mudhall ninnnadhu namma aalu thaan... "
  
  There were many caste clashesd witnessed after the release of the film..specially the song "Thevar kaladhi manne..."
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Nov 22 1:27:21 2007.

  Just saw a couple of clips of ALavandhAn on youtube ! Hmm...this seems like I should revisit it.
  
  Who wrote Sidhdhar pAdalgaL type poems that Nandhu keeps saying in the film ? Kamal himself ?
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Thu Nov 22 1:33:20 2007.

  No, its Vairamuthu. It's shown in the titles too.
  
  Lyrics and Nandhu's poems: Vairamuthu.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Nov 22 2:03:42 2007.

  littlemaster1982 wrote:

  No, its Vairamuthu. It's shown in the titles too. Lyrics and Nandhu's poems: Vairamuthu.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Thu Nov 22 2:07:49 2007.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Just saw a couple of clips of ALavandhAn on youtube ! Hmm...this seems like I should revisit it.

  
  
  There's one more for you to revisit Just reminding
  
  
  

  Quote:

  Who wrote Sidhdhar pAdalgaL type poems that Nandhu keeps saying in the film ? Kamal himself ?

  
  
  The 'AnbuLLa Diary" parts are also very nice with some powerful dialogues.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Nov 22 2:25:50 2007.

  Nice work. Both in theme and rhythm he has managed to make it sound like sidhdhar pAdal.
  

  Roshan wrote:

  There's one more for you to revisit Just reminding

  
  
  

• From: MADDY on Sat Nov 24 1:07:57 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  MADDY wrote: thilak4life wrote: Few random points on Thevar Magan: 2) The line "enneyum kolaikaran akitiyE da" is a double entendre, for the religion/Casteism/religious Sect (as he symbolically says it, facing the God,) and not for Nasser alone. 1)kamal, with his boundless knowledge gets too judgemental abt things in his movies 2)he shuld let the viewer judge - but he hardly lets them.. 3)one example, i personally experienced was in anbe Sivam - wow, he goes length and breadth to force the "yuppiness" of Madhavan character........ 1) Agreed, but that's not a disadvantage. What we get from this powerful medium is the platform to express the writer's thoughts, unfortunately Indians are emotional specimens, perhaps not as bad as many other fundamentalist nations are, but still. Take our neighbouring state, Kerala, there again the writers are curbed to some extent, but with more freedom to express. However, I agree with Kamal in general terms, that the books give more freedom to the writer than visual medium gives. Now ignoring the obvious, What we could further debate is the writer's underlying implication? I personally find it very sincere and apt, hatred within/between 'religious sects' is mindboggling. Vedhai yaar pottadhu? To the point, I don't see it as a problem at all. The judgment isn't forced as you say, for many, "Thevar Magan" is about a simple family feud. The undercurrents are subtle. Finally, this could be countermanded too, we could equally accuse someone of non-committal escapist approach, if he is insincere in different issues. In any case, I would be doubly sad if there was only one style/kind of storytelling was to exist. For that matter, any lover of cinema would.. 2) Oh, he 'judges' about things, because he isn't muddled (like our Mani sir for example.) Besides, his works are often deceptive, and in fact, he's the best in Tamil cinema for being elusive. 3) Partly agree. But I did see Anbarasu being more 'hip' than being a 'Yuppie' as we know the term, this is from the events throgh their journey. The transformation was commendable from what I see. Forcing the characterization was felt, but not to the levels of Maddy being forced as a arrogant Tamil writer in Kannathil muthamital.

  
  
  the judgement,realisation, character building - should be 100% natural and definitive.......generalisation and prejudice spoils this natural flow.........there is lot of generalisation in the devar characters we see in DM...........did he show a single devar character in DM apart from himself, who thinks differently?? and finally attributing everything to existence of GOD,religion,caste system is pretty forceful, i must say........
  
  Anbarasu character is just a symbol of gross generalisation of urban youth and capitalist notions.......very naive characterisation with every move of Maddy being very unnatural.......no HIp or yuppie youth is so inconsiderate that he will force a taxi driver to go through a lane with knee deep water
  
  btw, if u want to argue on the lines - "kamal is better, bcos Mani is bad" then i think u r ending up insulting both..........yes, many find mani's non-judgementality irritating and escapist but i feel he places the viewers on a higher pedestal to let them decide......unlike the "school-kid" treatment we get watching some movies.......
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 24 1:16:26 2007.

  MADDY wrote:

  did he show a single devar character in DM apart from himself, who thinks differently?? and finally attributing everything to existence of GOD,religion,caste system is pretty forceful, i must say........

  
  
  Periya Thevar is one such! In fact he corrects kamal, who thinks all ppl here are devils. "Nee londalna padikka ponna velaichi anupichaangale, antha kaatumiraandi koottathukku...."
  
  ONLY nasser is found devilish. His adiyaatkal are his coolys anyway. His dad kakka seenivasan, changes his ethics after periyathevar's death. his wife sn lakshmi paatti was neutral always. most of characters were neutral. note here, all the neutral ones supported kamal, that means they too think peace like periyathevar and devar magan. only that they didnt have the FORCE which periya thevar\Shakthi Vel had
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 24 1:24:57 2007.

  Regarding Anbe sivam, yes there are some flaws but again, kamal's character itself was shown with flaws. anbarasu comments on his critical nature, all over the film. The taxi issue may happen and its natural. Anbarasu is so desparate to part with nalla sivam that he even forgets his cellphone. and he is new to bubhaneshwar and dont know hindi. to be open on a personal note, i have been desparate and foolish manytimes in my life.
  
  Infact i dint the lyrics on eley machi song too irrelevant and harsh,. i dunno how YOU missed that. instead u brought up other issues which were perfectly natural.
  
  On kamal's attitude in handling costars, religion, yes sometimes he is judgemental. and some neutral fans dont accept kamal's stand on this. i have seen bala\roshan against his stand on religion some times. even i am. but you see, kamal's superb skills on other departmetns blows us and we praise him only for THAT. if we praise, it doesnt mean we accept him fully.
  
  i have a BIG complain on him when it comes to his religion views , and as i said recenly to some of your posts, iam expecting Dasa to rectify that. hopefully.
  
  

• From: MADDY on Sat Nov 24 2:21:59 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Regarding Anbe sivam, yes there are some flaws but again, kamal's character itself was shown with flaws. anbarasu comments on his critical nature, all over the film. The taxi issue may happen and its natural. Anbarasu is so desparate to part with nalla sivam that he even forgets his cellphone. and he is new to bubhaneshwar and dont know hindi. to be open on a personal note, i have been desparate and foolish manytimes in my life. Infact i dint the lyrics on eley machi song too irrelevant and harsh,. i dunno how YOU missed that. instead u brought up other issues which were perfectly natural. On kamal's attitude in handling costars, religion, yes sometimes he is judgemental. and some neutral fans dont accept kamal's stand on this. i have seen bala\roshan against his stand on religion some times. even i am. but you see, kamal's superb skills on other departmetns blows us and we praise him only for THAT. if we praise, it doesnt mean we accept him fully. i have a BIG complain on him when it comes to his religion views , and as i said recenly to some of your posts, iam expecting Dasa to rectify that. hopefully.

  
  
  well, i'm not talking abt the kamal-the person at all..........i'm just talking abt kamal - the director and the ghost director........i felt he does force and chokes his views on the viewer........
  
  reg Anbe sivam and many of his movies - i have lots of grouse........thats ok, i understand that he irritates me at a level where some of my favs like mani, BR irritate others.........
  
  reg Dasa, if he has valid points against a particular sect/race of people, and if he can show it with grace/patience, then i would really bow to his ability........ability to control the bias.......
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sat Nov 24 6:51:06 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  i have seen bala\roshan against his stand on religion some times.

  
  
  wtf????????
  
  

• From: MADDY on Sat Nov 24 7:07:55 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: i have seen bala\roshan against his stand on religion some times. wtf????????

  
  
  thats wat even i wondered .......i thot cinefan was much closer to wat sakala says .....
  
  sakala, andha doubt-ae enakku illa - i have seen kamal fans criticising kamal himself - - adhukku dhairiyam venum and u guys have it - no 2 ways abt it.... .......we are just analysing kamal - the storyteller
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 24 7:37:54 2007.

  i see the kamal as a whole and discuss on whatever part the opposite person starts into....
  
  bala, sorry if iam wrong but i distantly remember, maybe there are multiple issues and i i think you were against ONe particulatr view which i cudnt recall now....
  
  (kamal and religion) is not a small topic. i will present my detailed views later...
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sat Nov 24 7:59:05 2007.

  Maddy,
  
  You seem to be a man driven by ideology, unga kaNNotathula kalAchAra balam theriyudhu. But the purported 'strategy' is to delay, disable and disintegarte, Avalo thaan solluvEn. As for Kamal-Mani (or Complex-Simple dichotomy,) it's to point out the lack of tolerance for different forms/types/ways of filmmaking, as I always say, it would be absolutely monotonous if there's a lack of the other. That's all.
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sat Nov 24 13:28:44 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  On kamal's attitude in handling costars, religion, yes sometimes he is judgemental. and some neutral fans dont accept kamal's stand on this. i have seen bala\roshan against his stand on religion some times. even i am. but you see, kamal's superb skills on other departmetns blows us and we praise him only for THAT. if we praise, it doesnt mean we accept him fully.

  
  
  NaanA, eppO, engE ???????????????
  
  Infact I admire him mainly for that.
  
  "kadavuL illE'nu solRavana nambalaam, kadavuL irukkAn'nu solRavaneyum nambalaam aanAl nAnthAn kadvuL'nu solRaan paarunga.. avana mattum nambavE koodaathu' - one of the gems from one of my all time favourites, Anbe Sivam
  
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  GG: Udayamoorthy piLLaivaaL....
  
  KH : Enakku Udayamoorthy mattum pOthum.. 'piLLaiya' neengaLE vechukunga
  
  

• From: equanimus on Sat Nov 24 13:36:45 2007.

  Roshan wrote:

  "kadavuL illE'nu solRavana nambalaam, kadavuL irukkAn'nu solRavaneyum nambalaam aanAl nAnthAn kadvuL'nu solRaan paarunga.. avana mattum nambavE koodaathu' - one of the gems from one of my all time favourites, Anbe Sivam

  
  
  Uh, that line is from Vasool Raja M.B.B.S., and is actually a sort of dig at Nalla's personal "stance" in Anbe Sivam. (And, there's also the "anbE venkatAchalam" line!)
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sat Nov 24 13:48:36 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Roshan wrote: "kadavuL illE'nu solRavana nambalaam, kadavuL irukkAn'nu solRavaneyum nambalaam aanAl nAnthAn kadvuL'nu solRaan paarunga.. avana mattum nambavE koodaathu' - one of the gems from one of my all time favourites, Anbe Sivam Uh, that line is from Vasool Raja M.B.B.S., and is actually a sort of dig at Nalla's personal "stance" in Anbe Sivam.

  
  
  - etheyO nenechu etheyO pOttuttEn.. thanks for the correction
  
  One of my favourites from AS..
  
  A.Ars: enna paNNittu iruntheenga appO?
  
  Na.Sivam: sEthi sollittu irunthEn
  
  A.Ars: You mean postman?
  
  Na.Sivam: illa
  
  A.Ars: Messenger?
  
  Na.Sivam: appadiyum vechukalaam... Jesus kooda messenger thAnE .. (Credi should also go to Madhan)
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Nov 24 14:39:16 2007.

  Roshan, sorry for u too but i think once i completely explain my thots u ppl may agree...lets see, i am busy packing...all set to return india
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sat Nov 24 14:44:29 2007.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Roshan, sorry for u too but i think once i completely explain my thots u ppl may agree...lets see, i am busy packing...all set to return india

  
  
  Looking forward..
  
  Have a safe journey
  
  

• From: equanimus on Sat Nov 24 15:29:53 2007.

  By the by, I agree with Maddy regarding Anbe Sivam. The portrayal of Anbarasu as a thoughtless yuppie is quite stereotypical. (Madhavan's performance is superb nevertheless.) The thrusting of 'yuppie-ness' on the character is not problematic at all (it could even be the very idea! and after all, Kamal does show him to be a young man, someone who hasn't seen much of the world), but it's unapologetically twinned with lack of compassion (which in turn is twinned with being a "selfish coolie" for "multi-national company kAran") and suchlike.
  
  I don't find propagation or preaching of ideas (or ideologies) in a film or prototyping the characters to represent those ideas problematic per se as far as the whole exercise is stimulative enough, but the stereotyping here is selective, and, in effect, the film is preaching (the ideology) only to the converted. (Please note, I'm not saying that the film is simply advocating communism, socialism or atheism, just some of the ideas therein.) And, the political overtones aside, what the film actively preaches to its audience is rather simplistic and all too agreeable.
  
  

  thilak4life wrote:

  3) Partly agree. But I did see Anbarasu being more 'hip' than being a 'Yuppie' as we know the term, this is from the events throgh their journey. The transformation was commendable from what I see. Forcing the characterization was felt, but not to the levels of Maddy being forced as a arrogant Tamil writer in Kannathil muthamital.

  
  Thilak,
  I think the problem that you're pointing to in Kannathil Muthamittal is in the casting, while Maddy (the one here at the hub) is talking about how the characterisation is forced in Anbe Sivam to further the plot and the theme of the film. I much prefer Madhavan's performance as the yuppie guy in Anbe Sivam to the overly stiff writer in Kannathil Muthamittal (I thought Simran and Prakash Raj simply walked over Madhavan in many scenes) myself, but I don't think the characterization was forced (to achieve what?) in the latter at all.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sat Nov 24 16:04:53 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: 3) Partly agree. But I did see Anbarasu being more 'hip' than being a 'Yuppie' as we know the term, this is from the events throgh their journey. The transformation was commendable from what I see. Forcing the characterization was felt, but not to the levels of Maddy being forced as a arrogant Tamil writer in Kannathil muthamital. Thilak, I think the problem that you're pointing to in Kannathil Muthamittal is in the casting, while Maddy (the one here at the hub) is talking about how the characterisation is forced in Anbe Sivam to further the plot and the theme of the film. I much prefer Madhavan's performance as the yuppie guy in Anbe Sivam to the overly stiff writer in Kannathil Muthamittal (I thought Simran and Prakash Raj simply walked over Madhavan in many scenes) myself, but I don't think the characterization was forced (to achieve what?) in the latter at all.

  
  
  I did see what Maddy was talking about. But I refuse to agree with him about 'yuppieness' forced as a 'character' , but instead by the events that was to follow which brings it out. (which Maddy also finds it to be the problem in DM, where he says the characterization of thevars is stereotypical and kamal 'forces' it.) In other words, you see Anbarasu as a hip guy, but he never goes on to flaunt at earlier instances, in fact you realize it more as the film goes on. I compared it against KM, where Madhavan's character was forced as a snob from word go..
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sat Nov 24 16:11:58 2007.

  As for "Anbe Sivam", It's a film that I have a weakness for (the altruism, and verbosity notwithstanding.) I personally find it less subtle than Kamal's better efforts (Mahanadhi, Guna, Thevar magan, Hey! Ram, and Virumandi.) Given an odd situation, I would prefer "Alavandhaan" as a more stimulating film than "Anbe Sivam". (ah-ah, I made a profound statement)
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sat Nov 24 16:32:39 2007.

  Reg. Kamal's character in DM. It was because he's educated, and others are not. And, I don't see Periya thevar, MAyan, or anyone having close resemblance to each other to be called 'stereotyped'.
  
  There was question on Kamal's hair being cut instead of tonsuring, my version to this,
  
  Shakthi cuts his hair (which is stressed out in the brilliant sequence to follow after Periya thevar's demise,) because he doesn't buy the traditions 'completely' as yet, as against someone like Sandiyar (Virumandi) who actually is a less complicated individual, who is a boor in every sense of the word, and driven by the *other*, than himself.
  
  Sakthi actually goes with the tide, without trying to solve it overnight, and without overstepping (even in the confrontation with Mayan for reopening the temple.) But he takes the mantle from his father as a matter of responsibility (as much as for the father, he's also immensely affected by the feud himself.)
  
  If he had suddenly got into the system, he should have taken up the Oor thiruvizha, and to represent the best of his 'sect' later, he should have probably killed Nazar's whole family, for thats the Veeran in purest sense, all the more because he's a Thevar Magan. The whole getup he assumes after his father's demise, is more to command an air of richness for a position he's to take, which thevars have inherited over the years (clad in white with jewels,) but the denouement sees the complete opposite, soaked in mud, and lost in blood, thus ending the 'assumed' position, and hence, surfacing the nihilism over such lineage of such factions. Here it's a 'thevar', but it could be replaced by any other 'religious sect' in crux of self-destruction for superiority among themselves, this could also be extended to religions/fundamentalism, and to the world. As always, Kamal takes a microcosm to illustrate this point.
  
  [The Godfather" element was more significant in "Thevar magan" than "Nayagan" with respect to unwilling young man ending up taking responsibility for the family and the feud, which Prabhu ram elucidates here,
  
  Let me dwell on the Godfather connex for a bit. Right from the very title. In ‘Godfather’ the title refers not just to Vito Corleone but Michael too. Not just in succession but even in terms of similarity in temperament beneath the self-presumed “I am different”. That identity is the very basic question in ThEvar Magan. And, running the risk of sacrilege, I would say this aspect was handled more fluently in ThEvar Magan.
  
  The takeover itself and the helplessness of the Don come out excellently in TM. In GF, he tries to seem in complete control even when there is a crucial slip: I have a sentimental weakness for my children, and I spoil them as you can see; they talk when they should listen) Whereas Periya ThEvar does have one intimate open moment with his Michael : உங்களைத் தானே நம்பணும்…..வேற யார் இருக்கா இங்க நம்புறதுக்கு (It is you that I have to trust…..who else is there to be trusted). A statement where helplessness and love of the patriarch are in equal proportion.
  
  The Indianization is exceptional. While Michael willingly marries the very Catholic Appolina, PanchavarNam represents a marriage that symbolizes a greater acceptance: as Sakthi explains in words to his Telugu Kay (in one of the many outstanding scenes in this film). An Indian cliche of selflessness, that is handled beautifully.
  
  http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2007/11/08/kamal-a2z-devar-magan/
  ]
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Sat Nov 24 16:48:06 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  I did see what Maddy was talking about. But I refuse to agree with him about 'yuppieness' forced as a 'character' , but instead by the events that was to follow which brings it out. (which Maddy also finds it to be the problem in DM, where he says the characterization of thevars is stereotypical and kamal 'forces' it.) In other words, you see Anbarasu as a hip guy, but he never goes on to flaunt at every instance, in fact you realize it more as the film goes on. I compared it against KM, where Madhavan's character was forced as a snob from word go..

  
  Oh, fair enough! In fact, I don't find the thrusting of 'yuppie-ness' on the character problematic at all, it's only the twinning of it with other things that is rather stereotypical.
  
  About Thevar Magan, Sakthi is the odd one out there and his being "different" from the rest is very important to the story (with The Godfather theme intact). And, the rest of them aren't shown in bad light at all by virtue of their condition or their ways. In fact, it's Sakthi who is often insensitive to "oor kattuppAdu" and other codes of conduct and ends up causing many problems and conflicts between the two warring clans. The film works so wonderfully with this story at its centre. The social commentary/message is buried beneath this and is actually far less pronounced. But yet, it is strong enough.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sat Nov 24 16:53:12 2007.

  If the 'theme' requires the characters to be characterized accordingly, it shouldn't be read as 'forced' but 'resonant'. This was my point (and defense) about the 'theme' of Iruvar with Thamizh chelvan portrayed in a particular way. But, Maddy hardly complains about others as much as he does with Kamal ( ) , I'm sure the other hubbers have begun to live with that.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Sat Nov 24 16:56:34 2007.

  Our posts crossed, Thilak. Same defence for Thevar Magan from my side.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sat Nov 24 17:03:59 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Our posts crossed, Thilak. Same defence for Thevar Magan from my side.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: MADDY on Sat Nov 24 23:31:42 2007.

  thilak and equanimus, reg AS - i cud see lot more stereotypes and generalisation.......infact the basic point of "anbe sivam" was bought out very unconvincingly for me.........
  
  and in devar magan - i thot - the main theme should have been "animalistic" nature in humans.......infact, all these yrs, i have been a great fan of this movie for this reason - terrorists have no religion, rioters dont belong to any caste.......the landmark punch dialogue - "enakkullayum adhae mirugamdhaan irukku" strengthens my thought........but when ppl. suggest, it was a dig at GODs, caste system - then i think, its a biased judgement..........
  
  thilak - i have agreed that Mani and Bharathiraja - 2 of my favs have irritated others - no doubts.........wat is interesting for me mite be irritating for others - i completely agree........and also, i'm the only person in HUB, who takes a dig at kamal's works - u know, just to reduce the monotonity ......imagine HUB filled with only "kamal is great, kamal is best" posts.......
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Nov 25 0:27:04 2007.

  MADDY wrote:

  .and also, i'm the only person in HUB, who takes a dig at kamal's works - u know, just to reduce the monotonity ......imagine HUB filled with only "kamal is great, kamal is best" posts.......

  
  konja nerathukku munnaadfi dhaan "Kamal fans have the courage to criticize their own Thalaivar" appadi nu paaraatti pesineenga.. ippo ippadi pesareenga... appadi enna oru kuzhappam? enna MPD-a?
  
  And why don't you first break the sickening monotony in some of YOUR favorite jaalra threads mate?
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Nov 25 1:13:53 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  The thrusting of 'yuppie-ness' on the character is not problematic at all (it could even be the very idea! and after all, Kamal does show him to be a young man, someone who hasn't seen much of the world), but it's unapologetically twinned with lack of compassion (which in turn is twinned with being a "selfish coolie" for "multi-national company kAran") and suchlike.

  
  And why is that problematic?
  Is it unrealistic? No. He shows one individual with those traits (it could be any one of us) - now, why is that a problem?
  I see a variant of McCarthy-esque "hatred" here..
  
  

• From: kannannn on Sun Nov 25 1:45:27 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  And why is that problematic? Is it unrealistic? No. He shows one individual with those traits (it could be any one of us) - now, why is that a problem? I see a variant of McCarthy-esque "hatred" here..

  
  Exactly!! I am not a big fan of the movie, save its dialogues, but I see Madhavan's character as being representative of the upper middle class mindset- the ones that are prepared to sacrifice their morals and ethics at the altar of high paying MNC jobs. Of course, what better way to underscore the importance of the message than having two diametrically opposite characters?!!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sun Nov 25 2:04:01 2007.

  MADDY wrote:

  thilak - i have agreed that Mani and Bharathiraja - 2 of my favs have irritated others - no doubts.........wat is interesting for me mite be irritating for others - i completely agree........and also, i'm the only person in HUB, who takes a dig at kamal's works - u know, just to reduce the monotonity ......imagine HUB filled with only "kamal is great, kamal is best" posts.......

  
  
  Maddy, That was a toung in cheek comment, I actually don't mind criticism, I have my share of 'em. It's just surprising that you do it for Kamal's views on religion, politics, etc - Now, is this a problem? Come on, please tell me. You say he took a "dig"? It's a deceptive dig. Let me say I'm all for such digs. So you don't mind about the crusaders in the world? You don't mind stratums, bigotry, and hatred around? As you said, Thevar magan could be different for different people, for you it's the animal instinct, for others, it's a simple rural family feud, etc. Now, knowing Kamal-the-auteur, I dissect my own interpretations from his films. I could see that you're offended by Kamal's implications (if he had intended.)
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Nov 25 3:25:17 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  Roshan wrote: "kadavuL illE'nu solRavana nambalaam, kadavuL irukkAn'nu solRavaneyum nambalaam aanAl nAnthAn kadvuL'nu solRaan paarunga.. avana mattum nambavE koodaathu' - one of the gems from one of my all time favourites, Anbe Sivam Uh, that line is from Vasool Raja M.B.B.S., and is actually a sort of dig at Nalla's personal "stance" in Anbe Sivam. (And, there's also the "anbE venkatAchalam" line!)

  
  
  I think there is a difference ..Nallasivan never said he is THE GOD ,rather he says all are GOD while Vassol Raja dialogue refers to people who says He is the GOD.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sun Nov 25 3:37:27 2007.

  Is Ajay Rathnam's character called 'krishnan' in the movie for a reason? He takes a stick to throw out a snake. Then, (frames before this pic) there is a pair of parrots playing with the twig of the tree, then they fly over, due to which, Adhi sees the hut which is the "hideout" for Krishnan (to trigger the missile at the minister's car.)
  
  Is there a symbolism behind all this? Or just the lush woods backdrop with these life forms that is highlighted? periyAvAl-lam sollunga ba.. of course, could be too much imagination from my end.
  
  

• From: MADDY on Sun Nov 25 5:08:36 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  MADDY wrote: .and also, i'm the only person in HUB, who takes a dig at kamal's works - u know, just to reduce the monotonity ......imagine HUB filled with only "kamal is great, kamal is best" posts....... konja nerathukku munnaadfi dhaan "Kamal fans have the courage to criticize their own Thalaivar" appadi nu paaraatti pesineenga.. ippo ippadi pesareenga... appadi enna oru kuzhappam? enna MPD-a? And why don't you first break the sickening monotony in some of YOUR favorite jaalra threads mate?

  
  
  my post was just in reply to "monotonity" point raised by thilak for supporting kamal.... .........i know, there is a fair amount of effort taken to dissect kamal's works here......though the entire HUB looks lopsided in one direction......
  
  well, if u r meaning ARR threads as jalra threads, then yes, lots left to be changed there - adhula onnum maraikkarathukku illla.....
  
  thilak, kamal's social views, his views on religion - ellam fine........we are just talking abt how they were bought in his movies.....thats it......as i told, i found it irritating and naive......its just my opinion.....well, enuf of my opinions -
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sun Nov 25 5:26:36 2007.

  MADDY wrote:

  my post was just in reply to "monotonity" point raised by thilak for supporting kamal.

  
  
  Ungaloda opinions-lam lopsided-nu solla vandhEn. Hub has matured a lot over the period, and one could see that..
  
  

  Quote:

  .we are just talking abt how they were bought in his movies.....thats it......as i told, i found it irritating and naive.

  
  
  that's your opinion Maddy, but I don't think you're convincing when it comes to Kamal. Avalo-thaan. I'm sorry if this triggered a dissection of your preferences. Apologize if that's the case..
  
  

• From: MADDY on Sun Nov 25 7:56:32 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Quote: .we are just talking abt how they were bought in his movies.....thats it......as i told, i found it irritating and naive. that's your opinion Maddy, but I don't think you're convincing when it comes to Kamal. Avalo-thaan. I'm sorry if this triggered a dissection of your preferences. Apologize if that's the case..

  
  
  thats again ur opinion - till now , i dont think i got a *convincing* answer for my question of "generalisation" and "stereotyping" by kamal, the storyteller/director/ghost-director.........
  
  

• From: equanimus on Sun Nov 25 9:04:20 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  equanimus wrote: The thrusting of 'yuppie-ness' on the character is not problematic at all (it could even be the very idea! and after all, Kamal does show him to be a young man, someone who hasn't seen much of the world), but it's unapologetically twinned with lack of compassion (which in turn is twinned with being a "selfish coolie" for "multi-national company kAran") and suchlike. And why is that problematic? Is it unrealistic? No. He shows one individual with those traits (it could be any one of us) - now, why is that a problem? I see a variant of McCarthy-esque "hatred" here..

  
  CR,
  The problem is not because the character represents such a class in the film and there's a critique of such class in the film (I'm all for it), but because he's shown (rather conveniently) as a thoughtless person even as the film tries to seriously engage itself in a social debate. The writer doesn't enable the character to place a good case for his political view. By the way, naan politics'la semma weak. McCarthy 'nA oru pEru'nnu mattum dhaan theriyudhu. Do you mean to say that I seem to be averse to such representations? Heck, no! Coming from Kamal, I just expect a debate that's more engaging, sophisticated and introspective.
  
  

  kannannn wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: And why is that problematic? Is it unrealistic? No. He shows one individual with those traits (it could be any one of us) - now, why is that a problem? I see a variant of McCarthy-esque "hatred" here.. Exactly!! I am not a big fan of the movie, save its dialogues, but I see Madhavan's character as being representative of the upper middle class mindset- the ones that are prepared to sacrifice their morals and ethics at the altar of high paying MNC jobs. Of course, what better way to underscore the importance of the message than having two diametrically opposite characters?!!

  
  Absolutely, Kannan. The problem is not in having two diametrically opposite characters, but in not enabling one of them to be smart enough (or, at least, self-aware), when the film itself seriously engages in examination of contemporary reality.
  
  And, by the way, I really love the film (anbE sivam) nevertheless. Just that it's political overtones are quite superficial, and, in effect, the film manages to "preach" (obviously, I am using it in the good sense) only to the converted.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Sun Nov 25 9:10:23 2007.

  joe wrote:

  equanimus wrote: Roshan wrote: "kadavuL illE'nu solRavana nambalaam, kadavuL irukkAn'nu solRavaneyum nambalaam aanAl nAnthAn kadvuL'nu solRaan paarunga.. avana mattum nambavE koodaathu' - one of the gems from one of my all time favourites, Anbe Sivam Uh, that line is from Vasool Raja M.B.B.S., and is actually a sort of dig at Nalla's personal "stance" in Anbe Sivam. (And, there's also the "anbE venkatAchalam" line!) I think there is a difference ..Nallasivan never said he is THE GOD ,rather he says all are GOD while Vassol Raja dialogue refers to people who says He is the GOD.

  
  
  Most definitely, Joe. That's exactly why I called it "a sort of dig." It's only fitting that someone totally unsophisticated (who can't fully grasp what Nallasivam means) like Vasool Raja is saying that line.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Sun Nov 25 10:10:07 2007.

  Maddy,
  
  Adhu seri.
  
  

• From: Nerd on Sun Nov 25 12:52:41 2007.

  joe wrote:

  I think there is a difference ..Nallasivan never said he is THE GOD ,rather he says all are GOD while Vassol Raja dialogue refers to people who says He is the GOD.

  
  
  Gentlemen, Sorry I have to barge in on your discussion nallasivam DOES say that he is a GOD. yEnnA naanum kadavuL. One of the most intelligent/profound dialogues in the film!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Sun Nov 25 13:05:31 2007.

  Nerd wrote:

  joe wrote: I think there is a difference ..Nallasivan never said he is THE GOD ,rather he says all are GOD while Vassol Raja dialogue refers to people who says He is the GOD. Gentlemen, Sorry I have to barge in on your discussion nallasivam DOES say that he is a GOD. yEnnA naanum kadavuL. One of the most intelligent/profound dialogues in the film!

  
  
  No, Nerd, Joe (I presume) is pointing out the difference between saying, "EnnA, nAnum kadavuL!" and "thAn thAn kadavuL." But, Vasool Raja, not surprisingly, doesn't appreciate the distinction between the two. So much for a wink-wink dig at oneself!
  
  

• From: Nerd on Sun Nov 25 13:24:05 2007.

  Ah.. I see. There must be no connection then.. And yes, that tickling one-liner is not worth discussing! May be its a dig at a pOli saamiyaar
  
  

• From: joe on Sun Nov 25 21:19:09 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  No, Nerd, Joe (I presume) is pointing out the difference between saying, "EnnA, nAnum kadavuL!" and "thAn thAn kadavuL."

  
  
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Nov 26 6:17:19 2007.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  equanimus wrote: The thrusting of 'yuppie-ness' on the character is not problematic at all (it could even be the very idea! and after all, Kamal does show him to be a young man, someone who hasn't seen much of the world), but it's unapologetically twinned with lack of compassion (which in turn is twinned with being a "selfish coolie" for "multi-national company kAran") and suchlike. And why is that problematic? Is it unrealistic? No. He shows one individual with those traits (it could be any one of us) - now, why is that a problem? I see a variant of McCarthy-esque "hatred" here..

  
  CR,
  Now that I know what "McCarthy-esque" means after all, let's see who's actually being McCarthyist here.
  I think one can safely say that Anbarasu is by and large like a McCarthyist. He freaks out at the very mention of Communism and is too quick and willing to draw his conclusions that it is best done away with. It's evident from the way he argues against Communism.
  
  Sivam: "paNam kuduththA edhu vENA, eppa vENA, kedaikkum'nu nenakkiravanga irukkara varaikkum, that will be India for you!"
  Ars: "AmAm! odanE ulagathulayE ellAththa vida nalla nAdu, Soviet Union, appadi'nnu solliduveengale."
  Sivam: "illa, nInga appadi solla mudiyAdhu."
  Ars: [jumping at the statement] "An, appadi othukkunga!"
  Sivam: [amused] "ahEn, hehhE.." [to say, "you're drawing too many conclusions buddy!"]
  
  He is all too willing to believe that communism as a philosophy is pretty much invented and is not in the natural order of things ("But Mr. Red, love is a feeling!"). In short, he's a non-violent (and less paranoiac) version of Jack D. Ripper who's concerned about "impurifying our precious bodily fluids."
  
  Likewise, to not expect in the least bit anything more than a McCarthyist position from "the other side" when the film attempts to examine the current sociopolitical situation is itself "McCarthyist" in spirit; only that it's at the other end of the spectrum.
  
  Now, of course, my point about "preaching only to the converted" is, by design, problematic both ways. So, let me subvert the same problem and pose it the other way.
  Anbarasu is shown to be a thoughtless man who hasn't seen the world. He learns more than just a few things from this journey. A political commentary in this framework (with two diametrically opposite characters and all that jazz) is superficial because, in real world, the flag-bearers of either side (regardless of whether one agrees with them or not) are not thoughtless. They are very much aware of how the real world works. They're not people who think that world can be operated using a remote control (to borrow an expression from the film). But, in the film, while Sivam is a messiah of sorts, Ars is an oaf who'll eventually learn. This is why the commentary in anbE sivam is not really more than a gesture. For those who see red, it's a statement they'd readily agree with. The "selfish coolies" wouldn't be able to connect with the foolish, spoilt yuppie, A. Ars, even as they'd realise that the film intends to talk about (or even, talk to) them. And, that's because he's stereotyped. They will like the film for various reasons, but the political commentary therein isn't greatly affecting. The film doesn't engage with them and offer a commentary on their condition (the sociopolitical situation of the "new India," if you will) in a more sincere and meaningful manner. It's at best a self-deprecatory joke for them.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Nov 26 6:35:02 2007.

  Quote:

  But, in the film, while Sivam is a messiah of sorts, Ars is an oaf who'll eventually learn.

  
  
  Learn what?
  
  Communism or humanism?
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Nov 26 6:56:48 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Quote: But, in the film, while Sivam is a messiah of sorts, Ars is an oaf who'll eventually learn. Learn what? Communism or humanism?

  
  Not communism definitely, Thilak. I can't even call it humanism, really. A basic sense of இங்கிதம் towards fellow human beings (those who belong to "the other side" of the world) would be more like it. However, what's not to be forgotten is that the writer is fond of the character nevertheless, and depicts his transformation from the insensitive, spoilt, rich boy to a man who's capable of seeing things the other way.
  And, by the way, my point about Sivam being "a messiah of sorts" was not a mocking remark. I mean it in the same way the film shows him. (That is to say, I like him a lot myself!)
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Nov 26 7:11:25 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: Quote: But, in the film, while Sivam is a messiah of sorts, Ars is an oaf who'll eventually learn. Learn what? Communism or humanism? Not communism definitely, Thilak. I can't even call it humanism, really. A basic sense of இங்கிதம் towards fellow human beings (those who belong to "the other side" of the world) would be more like it. However, what's not to be forgotten is that the writer is fond of the character nevertheless, and depicts his transformation from the insensitive, spoilt, rich boy to a man who's capable of seeing things the other way. And, by the way, my point about Sivam being "a messiah of sorts" was not a mocking remark. I mean it in the same way the film shows him. (That is to say, I like him a lot myself!)

  
  
  Precisely! I don't find it problematic at all. But I'm all for a sophisticated vivAdham in the film, it could have been far superior..
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Nov 26 7:45:55 2007.

  thilak4life wrote:

  Precisely! I don't find it problematic at all. But I'm all for a sophisticated vivAdham in the film, it could have been far superior..

  
  Thilak,
  The film definitely works very well (as I keep saying again and again, I am very fond of it myself ) despite these shortcomings. Not just Anbarasu, no character is banished in the film. Their lives go on just like they used to as the film ends. In fact, it's very interesting to read the film this way. Various characters happen to meet Nallasivam and acquaint him in different ways.
  
  It's the sociopolitical commentary that I find rather weak.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Nov 26 7:52:40 2007.

  equanimus wrote:

  It's the sociopolitical commentary that I find rather weak.

  
  
  That's what I implied with,
  
  

  Quote:

  But I'm all for a sophisticated vivAdham in the film, it could have been far superior

  
  
  As against playing on simplistic grounds.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Dec 16 6:59:59 2007.

  http://agaramuthala.blogspot.com/2005/11/blog-post_113138425311814477.html
  
  already posted, but just a repost...like remix
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Dec 19 11:18:51 2007.

  http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2007/12/19/kamal-a2z-guna
  
  

• From: kamath on Wed Dec 19 11:44:21 2007.

  Excellent review of guna.
  
  Easily one of kamal's best performances (if not THE BEST), the other two being nayakan & anbe sivam, in my opinion.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Jan 20 13:17:52 2008.

  http://www.dipvid.com/view_video.php?viewkey=efd4c14e3a415fa0a301
  
  What a song! Kamal, the singer
  
  

• From: Kollywoodfan on Tue Jan 22 11:42:03 2008.

  Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Jan 22 14:45:48 2008.

  Kollywoodfan wrote:

  Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related

  
  
  well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. but i like this song.. anyway thanks for posting kolly.. do come up with more of kamal
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Jan 22 14:51:33 2008.

  Yeah I am sure she can unearth more about kamal than other actors , Highly IMO
  

  Devar Magan wrote:

  Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. but i like this song.. anyway thanks for posting kolly.. do come up with more of kamal

  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Jan 22 14:55:04 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Yeah I am sure she can unearth more about kamal than other actors , Highly IMO Devar Magan wrote: Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. but i like this song.. anyway thanks for posting kolly.. do come up with more of kamal

  
  
  So KF is a "She", I gather...
  
  

• From: Kollywoodfan on Tue Jan 22 23:25:29 2008.

  Um, what is this discussion about me? AF, what do u mean?
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Jan 22 23:27:53 2008.

  Videos I meant
  

  Kollywoodfan wrote:

  Um, what is this discussion about me? AF, what do u mean?

  
  

• From: Kollywoodfan on Tue Jan 22 23:35:22 2008.

  ok
  
  

• From: thamiz on Tue Jan 22 23:41:14 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie ..

  
  
  That was a below average movie for general audience!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Wed Jan 23 3:39:25 2008.

  thamiz wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. That was a below average movie for general audience!

  general audience kamalfans-a vida nalla taste udayavangannu engalluku theriyum
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Jan 27 14:20:50 2008.

  anti-kaml gosti discuss ur worries here
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Jan 27 18:30:06 2008.

  A post on Kamal Film Satya by a Orkut Kamal Fan !!!!
  
  http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=53690&tid=2580060646562252289
  
  Sathya - Kamal - Shruti - 28th Jan - HBD!
  Sathya,
  
  Sathya is one movie of Kamal, I can't forget its release date. After a year of Nayakan hit the screen, Sathya was released on the 28th January 1988!
  
  I started wearing a Kara after watching Sathya, and it's been 20 years - I'm still wearing one!
  
  Sathya is a movie that made a huge impact in me that's been lingering over two decades, till date.
  
  Kamal's unprecedented, incomparable performance in that movie - set new bench marks for fighting sequences - I'm yet to see a movie with rocking fight sequences till date in Tamil.
  
  I want to write a lot about this movie and I will when time permits.
  
  This post is just to remember the release date of Sathya which is 28th January 1988 - well, 28th January is Shruthi Hassan's birthday!
  
  Happy Birthday to you Shruthi - Many Happy Returns of the day!
  
  Sathya's Marvels
  Sathya, besides Kamal, had some great performances. I will try to write about a few of them..
  
  1. Kitti (aka) Krishnamurthy
  
  Kitti, I heard that he was a class mate of Mani Ratnam, delivered a great maiden performance in Sathya. He broke the definition of a typical tamil cinema villain in this movie. He was not scary looking; didn't have a rude/arrogant voice; was not someone who challenges the hero in every scene with stupid fight sequences. He plays a role of a Politician who looks very nice, friendly and sweet. He speaks very softly with a smile on his face. He attracts the unemployed, and exploits them. Sathya falls prey of this game, but soon realizes and fights back. In the process, Sathya's freinds are murdered by Kitti's gang and finally Sathya kills Kitti in a breath-taking climax.
  
  SPB rendered his voice for Kitti, which added magic to the characterization of Kitti.
  
  2. Amala
  
  Well, I will get personal if I talk about her , so I won't get into too much of detail. . Amala was very sweet, beautiful and charming in Sathya. Kamal and Amala make the best pair on screen. VALAIYOSAI is THE BEST DUET of Tamil Cinema, and is very poetic - thanks to Maestro, SPB & Latha for creating this master piece song. In one scene, friends get together to celebrate birthday of one of them in a restraurant. They see and call Amala and invite her to join them. They make fun of Kamal by calling Amala as 'Anni' - Amala plays a malayalee role, so doesn't understand what is going on. Kamal and Amala briefly appear in the outfits of Rama & Sita - wowowowowow what a pair! they look so beautiful... (the b'day boy appears as Hanuman!! ).
  
  In another scene, Amala invites Kamal for dinner at her place (where she lives with the owner lady of the shop in which she works, who also is a malayalee). Over the dining table, that lady warns Amala in Malayalam and asks her to be careful. kamal, just listening to their conversation for a couple of minutes, starts suddently talking Malayalam to her....
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Jan 27 18:31:05 2008.

  3. Bagadur - what a character actor
  
  Bagadur, a veteran malayalam actor, played the role of Sathya's father, a soft spoken husband, who never raises his voice against his 2nd wife whenever she tortures Sathya by her rude, arrogant words.
  
  He works in a paint shop as a cashier, the owner of the paint shop also disrespects him and ill treats him. He tolerates everything in life - for the sake of Sathya. Finally he breaks out and slaps his wife when she goes to an extreme stage.
  
  I really wished that Bagadur wins a best character artist award for this movie - donno if that happened.
  
  When Kamal beats up the paint shop owner with the shutter down, bagadur goes to the shop in the next day, only to find his owner in a big mess - sympathesizes him - another touching+hilarious scene in the movie.
  
  4. Vadivukarasi
  
  Vadivukarasi plays the role of Bagadur's second wife, Sathya's step-mother. Man, you will hate her from the bottom of your heart, when you see her insulting Sathya in every scene. Sathya tolerates everything for the sake of his father and his sisters (daughters of Vadivukarasi). Vadivukarasi delivered a great performance.
  
  5. Rajesh
  
  Rajesh acts as one of the politicians in the movie (Mariappan), who is hand in hand with Kitti (Dhandapani). Again, a very good performance.
  
  6. Azhagu
  
  I will fail in my duty if I don't mention about Azhagu, a stunt man, who appears in most of Kamal's movies. In fact Kamal's get up in Sathya is of Azhagu!!!! Both Kamal and Azhagu fights in a building under construction - again, I'm yet to see a so natural fighting scene in any Tamil film till date like this one. Azhagu, with a look-a-like of Sathya, delivered a superb performance, as usual.
  
  7. The cinematographer - Was it PC Sriram? I don't remember
  
  Whether it is a fight sequence of a duet song, the movie has AWESOME cinematography. Look at the rainy murder scene in which people come out a theatre with an ocean of umberellas - look at the lonely Kamal sitting with a Carom Board and hitting the striker. The camera shows cut-shots of the 4 sides angle of the Carom Board in a second! I mean, you travel with the Striker around the Carom board - VERY CREATIVE!
  
  8. Dialogue write
  
  Sathya has MOST POWERFUL dialogues one could hear in any movies. I think it was Anandu, Kamal's mentor/guru.
  
  After his friend was killed, Kamal goes to the neighborhood and plead the neighbors to come to the police station and give witness - nobody comes forward. Kamal, with great heights of frustration, yells out..
  
  'yanai vandhu satchi sollichu, maram vandhu satchi sollichunu solveengala, ippa evanavathu vandhu satchi sollungalen'
  
  'po.. poyi kattiluku adila olinjukka, illenna unmai vandhu kadichudum' (loosely translated as 'go.. go and hide under the cot. otherwise truth will bite you')
  
  It's another movie in which Kamal subjects himself to torture and abuse.. Kitti's gang of goons hit him, while Kitti was delivering a very sweet speech on teh stage. Kamal was thrown from a running car to a wire fence, badly beaten up. Also there are several fight scenes, where he gets beaten badly.
  
  The bad guy, who takes away the top (dhavani) from Kamal's sister, is the same guy who appears in his movie Mahanadhi as the warden in prison.
  
  You can see that Kamal keeps using a set of great talented actors in most of his movies - like Nasser, Rajesh, Azhaghu, and the list goes on.
  
  9. Vikram Dharma - The Stunt Master/Coordinator
  
  Vikran Dharma is the 2nd hero of the movie Sathya!!! It was way ahead of time in 1988 to have a movie like Sathya, with absolute realistic fight sequences. Whether it's a rainy day fight, or a broad-day light chase with guys hanging onPallavan bus's window, or a motor cycle chase or the fight in the construction building with Azhagu - you can't say and you will never feel that it was a movie.. It is so realistic and it hits you hard while watching it.
  
  10. Suresh Krishna - as a Director, Sathya was his debut - though Sathya was a remake of Sunny Deol's Arjun, Sathya is not like Arjun, it was localized and was well done in Tamil.
  
  Thank God, the movie didn't have many songs around the tree - there were only 3 songs, potta theriyuthu by Kamal after a fight sequence was a soother. Valaiyosai was a visual and audio treat. The 3rd song of Nagaru Nagaru was completely unnecessary!!!
  
  Sathya, worth watching a few times, will linger in our hearts for the rest of our lives!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Jan 28 2:58:18 2008.

  great post by sundar in orkut
  
  

• From: Munsamy on Mon Jan 28 3:15:54 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  thamiz wrote: Devar Magan wrote: Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. That was a below average movie for general audience! general audience kamalfans-a vida nalla taste udayavangannu engalluku theriyum

  
  
  
  DM,
  
  U have hit the bull's eye....u r spot on
  
  Kamal fans' taste was evident with the results of anbesivam and VR MBBS
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Jan 28 3:17:55 2008.

  Munsamy wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: thamiz wrote: Devar Magan wrote: Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. That was a below average movie for general audience! general audience kamalfans-a vida nalla taste udayavangannu engalluku theriyum DM, U have hit the bull's eye....u r spot on Kamal fans' taste was evident with the results of anbesivam and VR MBBS

  haha,,... no actor's fans can decide the fate of the movie at the BO..its the general audience that makes the impact at the BO
  
  

• From: Munsamy on Mon Jan 28 3:21:34 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  Munsamy wrote: Devar Magan wrote: thamiz wrote: Devar Magan wrote: Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. That was a below average movie for general audience! general audience kamalfans-a vida nalla taste udayavangannu engalluku theriyum DM, U have hit the bull's eye....u r spot on Kamal fans' taste was evident with the results of anbesivam and VR MBBS haha,,... no actor's fans can decide the fate of the movie at the BO..its the general audience that makes the impact at the BO

  
  
  Not even opening ???
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Mon Jan 28 8:19:30 2008.

  Munsamy:
  
  what do you mean? Both the openings were good only. Infact I saw AS @ sathyam complex. It was full, when I went there ..somewhere in 3 or 4th week.
  
  VR MBBS... what's wrong in it.
  
  Again, No one's fans base can decide on the fate of the movie. It's all word of mouth of the General public. It spreads like anything..
  
  
  
  

  Munsamy wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: Munsamy wrote: Devar Magan wrote: thamiz wrote: Devar Magan wrote: Kollywoodfan wrote: Neelakuyilae from Soorasamharam - cute song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FPv7Q7xRI&feature=related well sooorasmaharam is an ordinary movie .. That was a below average movie for general audience! general audience kamalfans-a vida nalla taste udayavangannu engalluku theriyum DM, U have hit the bull's eye....u r spot on Kamal fans' taste was evident with the results of anbesivam and VR MBBS haha,,... no actor's fans can decide the fate of the movie at the BO..its the general audience that makes the impact at the BO Not even opening ???

  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Jan 28 8:37:18 2008.

  Munsamy is here to talk without logic and just to have some silly fun.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Feb 3 14:40:58 2008.

  http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=53690&tid=2581332238205328125&na=1&nst=1
  
  A post on the movie varumayin Niram sivappu (Aakali Rajyam in Telugu) By a orkut community kamal fan named Rangarajan
  
  Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu
  Hi Guys
  
  A change from so many threads about dasa and the hype . . . let us relive the olden glories of Kamal . . . This was one of his movies released in the late 70's (not statistically correct data indeed ) . . . but the movie is still evergreen and whenever the movie is played in sun or ktv, i make it a point to watch it . . . so why dont we discuss this movie . . .?? I am not a trained film critic (a la the posts that Santosh used to come up with earlier) . . but let me make a humble attempt.
  
  Three unemployed youth, Kamal, Dileep and SV Sekhar, live together in Delhi, searching for a job. While Kamal has his own ethics and value systems in place, Dileep is portrayed as a person who would do anything for money. SVe Sekhar is a person who is torn between temptation and values - He wants to be like Kamal but Dileep's ability to earn more money tempts him too much . . . this again is a depiction of the real state of Indian youth - One with values, one without and one who is confused. SriDevi, a small time stage artist, with an irresponsible father and sick grandmother, struggles to make ends meet. Pratap, her senior in drama troupe, makes use of her poverty and helplessness to his advantage and constantly tries to woo her. Kamal and Sridevi fall for each other amidst much struggle. The movie finally ends with each person doing what he wanted to do . . . Dileep marrying a rich widow, SVe Sekhar becoming mad after money and Kamal, unable to compromise, manages to find a middle way.
  
  The movie talks about the plight of unemployment, social disparity and principles . . . This shows the struggle of a man who does not want to compromise, come what may.
  
  At a time when Kamal was doing light hearted romantic roles like Ninaithale Inikkum, Ilamai oonjalaadugirathu, Sattam en kaiyil and so on and so forth, this was a sea change . . . a very heavy and solid movie. Kamal would have been in his mid 20's but carried the burden of the entire movie on his shoulders . . . that is amazing stuff.
  
  Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu - cotd
  The best feature of the movie, of course is Kamal. And the refreshing screen presence as an unemployed youth. The way he blends into the character . . . all emotions shown as only he can . . . He shows almost all navarasas in the movie - Comedy in giving SVe Sekhar an orientation about "Sutta pazham" . . . he jokes but makes people cry in the scene where they fake eating food . . . anger in the interview scene where he manages to jugaad a coat from a body builder . . . frustration in the song "Theertha karayinile" . . . . and of course, desperation in eating an apple from drainage . . . Kamal is Kamal not just now, even then!!!
  
  The second hero of the movie, probably, is Mahakavi Bharathi!!! A man who was never there when movies existed in India but manages to take a giant screen presence with his mood . . . Yes . . . Kamal is portrayed as modern Bharathi and the rebel in Kamal quoting Bharathi off and on, is amazing . . . the best scene probably in the movie for this second hero was when Kamal tries to sell books for SriDevi's grandma's funeral, but the books would be taken for weight . . . Kamal would say, "Hey man, this is BHarathi's book . . ." but the vendor would coolly say, "But it doesnt sell" . . . this probably is a poignant moment of the movie . . . Ideas . . visions . . .ideologies and principles probably dont sell or dont earn money!!!! This concept conveyed in one subtle scene!!!
  
  Sri Devi . . . what can be said of this dame . . . she did all that was right in this movie . . . be it showing anguish over her grandma's health . . . or disappointment at her father's behaviour . . . or the confusion in being torn between true love and forced love . . . or trying to sacrifice herself for Kamal's job . . . finally being with him when he needs the most . . . She probably lived that role.
  
  The powerful movie, still has its own subtle touches . . . when Kamal and Sridevi, at the end of the song, holding hands together - NO hugging, no kissing, no dialogues, no tears . . . so realistic, but beautiful!!!
  
  Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu - Cotd
  The next person of note would probably be MSV . . . man he literally made us cry for Kamal, be happy for the young pair when they get together . . . weep for the artist Bharani who dies a pathetic death or pity for SVe Sekhar who is ruined in his own avarice . . . MSV - Mesmerising Souls Very much!!!!!
  
  The best thing in the movie, in my opinion, is the positive message. UNlike other movies where an idealistic person would either become super hero or die in the climax holding all his ideologies, this movie gives the modern youth, a solution to life.
  
  Kamal doesn't indulge in any malpractice till the end . . . he doesnt compromise his ideologies either - - - yet he doesnt perish!!! He shows the diginity of labour and the honour in doing a job without paying conscience as a price . . . This is the most positive movie where the hero, though struggles, gets what his conscience wanted rather than what his pockets wanted . . . This is a lesson to all youngsters at anytime . . . it is possible to be successful even with a clean conscience - depends on what your yardstick for success is!!!
  
  In my opinion, whatever be the number of movies Kamal acts or would come up with, as a MOVIE, this comes in one of the top - 10 and definitely acting-wise also it is probably one among the best.
  
  It is easy for emoting in roles that offer scope . . . but to show the variety that he has shown in this movie . . . and that too at such an young age . . . well, Kamal deserves the best not for his other, more acclaimed performances, but for this simple movie. Kamal became great in even 1978!!! Probably 2008 would be an extension of his greatness that he achieved in that era!!!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Feb 3 15:27:34 2008.

  this guy rangarajan is writing well..
  
  he is bay's friend in orkut..
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Feb 3 16:36:12 2008.

  http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/2007/11/10/hey-ram/
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Feb 3 16:56:42 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLR8FAW6zc&NR=1
  
  "pArtha vizhi" - Ethereal!
  
  Guna - IMO, the best performance ever.
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Sun Feb 3 21:46:43 2008.

  Partha vizhi sequence- Chance -eh illa..
  
  I saw guna 7 time all days in a week @ deviparadise. Infact, I was made like anything about kamal those days. Due to family and other commitments, I am not able to be an active ardent fan. However, this great talented actor is amazing. His thoughts, acts everything. Be it is marriage life or social service. Can anyone beat him? Answer is no.
  
  
  
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLR8FAW6zc&NR=1 "pArtha vizhi" - Ethereal! Guna - IMO, the best performance ever.

  
  

• From: leosimha on Mon Feb 4 4:44:38 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLR8FAW6zc&NR=1 "pArtha vizhi" - Ethereal! Guna - IMO, the best performance ever.

  
  
  yeah, Guna is one of my favourites (for Kamal's acting) but I think due to its slowness or I don't know what to say, the film bombed. But no one can do a role like Kamal did it in Guna. Infact you can see the very natural and subtle acting of Kamal.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 4 11:58:13 2008.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Partha vizhi sequence- Chance -eh illa.. I saw guna 7 time all days in a week @ deviparadise. Infact, I was made like anything about kamal those days. Due to family and other commitments, I am not able to be an active ardent fan. However, this great talented actor is amazing. His thoughts, acts everything. Be it is marriage life or social service. Can anyone beat him? Answer is no.

  
  
  
  By any chance, are you still in touch with any of the old-timers or iyakka uruppinargal?
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Mon Feb 4 12:19:43 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  By any chance, are you still in touch with any of the old-timers or iyakka uruppinargal?

  
  
  I heard about a kamal fan here ( In Bangalore). Vasool Raja padathukku maalai vanthu sera time aayiduchaaam. Antha neram vaanga mudiyathunna sonna pasangala thittikittu, Oru CAB book panni night ae DHARMAPURI (anga thaan antha time la vaanga mudiyum) poi vaangittu vanthirukkaar He spends 50K to 70K during the movie release
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Feb 4 12:19:43 2008.

  I was in college hostel during Guna release and the theatre is just 100 meters away from hostel ..I missed the count how many times I watched Guna ..1.50PM -kku moodu vantha pattunnu 2 PM show-kku poi ukkanthuduven ..surely more than 10 times.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 4 12:26:19 2008.

  I have seen Guna 4-5 times on DVD, twice on TV. (this is a fairly accurate estimation) But surely to experience the film on the big screen, with awesome sound effects, would have been brilliant!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Feb 4 12:26:48 2008.

  great joe...
  
  selva, yea banglore has some "kolai veri" kamal fans
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 4 12:27:06 2008.

  Joe, Amarshiva,
  
  You're all lucky
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Feb 4 12:34:24 2008.

  DM,Thilak,
  sure..we are lucky ..Those days were peek time for Kamal - Rajini releases together ..Surprisigly during Guna ,Thalapathi release ,Trichy kamal - Rajini fans joined hands and there was wrinting on the wall wishing success of both Thapathi and Guna.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 4 12:35:05 2008.

  Thilak,
  I also share the ignominy of not watching in the theater
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 4 12:36:20 2008.

  joe wrote:

  DM,Thilak, sure..we are lucky ..Those days were peek time for Kamal - Rajini releases together ..Surprisigly during Guna ,Thalapathi release ,Trichy kamal - Rajini fans joined hands and there was wrinting on the wall wishing success of both Thapathi and Guna.

  
  Well, for music fans too! Aruvi dhaan
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 4 12:42:19 2008.

  Selva,
  Yes. Bangalore - different league in terms of selavu, garlands etc...
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Feb 4 12:43:35 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  joe wrote: DM,Thilak, sure..we are lucky ..Those days were peek time for Kamal - Rajini releases together ..Surprisigly during Guna ,Thalapathi release ,Trichy kamal - Rajini fans joined hands and there was wrinting on the wall wishing success of both Thapathi and Guna. Well, for music fans too! Aruvi dhaan

  
  
  Ayyo..athai yen kekkureenga ..Hostel -la Guna ,Thalapathi paatugala pottu gramaphone record-a (beleive ..until that time hostel music room incharge buy only gramaphones) oru vazhi pannittanga
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 4 13:05:11 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Thilak, I also share the ignominy of not watching in the theater

  
  
  I have sent mails to Satyam cinemas, requosting for classics like Guna, Pushpak, Hey! Ram,etc to be rerun as a special show every week. But no response so far. It would be brilliant if they had a show on sat/sun everyweek, they could make it all Indian languages classics, and a similar weekly once show for foreign films. I'm no big fan of their "blind date shows" by the way, it's always been disappointing to me. (with boring Oliver stone film, and later, a forgettable chick flick )
  
  (though they had shown films like Nayakan on "bilnd date" shows I hear)
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Feb 4 13:12:38 2008.

  Thilak,
  Due to countless TV channels showing movies all the time ,the re-release culture has gone (except for few movies with no TV rights sold) .
  
  During 91 or 92 ,Trichy Sona theatre re-released Salangai oli ..College students thronged the theatre and it went on to run for 40 days.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 4 13:30:02 2008.

  You're right Joe. That being said, films like Pushpak, Raja paarvai would still garner good attention, as they are hardly to come by in television. In fact, Salangai Oli, Chippikul muthu are two other movies that I would like to watch on a big screen. Interesting to know that Salangai Oli had a significantly long run in early 90s.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Feb 4 13:52:34 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Thilak, I also share the ignominy of not watching in the theater

  
  I so vividly remember how we (I, my sister and brother) prayed to God by chanting gAyatri mantrAm as many times as possible, that the tickets should be available and that they should let us in, as we were going to Devi Complex in a bus. Yours truly was 8 years old then, and the film came with an 'A' certificate, you see. My brother, the responsible aNNA that he was (despite not being an 'adult' himself), came up with that excellent idea.
  
  P.S. We were accompanied by an adult, of course, but when ever did kids' take solace with them adults when it comes to such problems.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Feb 5 0:06:39 2008.

  So, Did you watch the film?
  
  

• From: equanimus on Tue Feb 5 0:24:27 2008.

  thilak4life wrote:

  So, Did you watch the film?

  
  Oh, yes, we did! All of us kids. It wouldn't be a story worth reminiscing otherwise. That should have been my first 'A' film, I guess.
  
  

• From: dell_gt on Tue Feb 5 3:07:10 2008.

  GUNA is my 1st film i watch in big screen...
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Feb 5 7:59:59 2008.

  Yes I still see them. I guess they belong 5475 division. We all from Mylapore. Doss, Shiva and one fellow from mandaveli .. What a unit that was.
  
  Manra thozarkal inrum kamal rasigarkal than. However, ellorumeh family man agitathaleh..there is a gap. But, that has nothing to do with kamalji's movies. Instead of seeing the movie in first day, first show we might see it in 10 or 15 days.. that's all.
  
  Those time kamal fans are so happy to see mayyam book and kamal rasigan book. Nowadays, i don't know whether such books or coming or not.
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: Partha vizhi sequence- Chance -eh illa.. I saw guna 7 time all days in a week @ deviparadise. Infact, I was made like anything about kamal those days. Due to family and other commitments, I am not able to be an active ardent fan. However, this great talented actor is amazing. His thoughts, acts everything. Be it is marriage life or social service. Can anyone beat him? Answer is no. By any chance, are you still in touch with any of the old-timers or iyakka uruppinargal?

  
  

• From: leosimha on Tue Feb 5 8:38:04 2008.

  joe wrote:

  DM,Thilak, sure..we are lucky ..Those days were peek time for Kamal - Rajini releases together ..Surprisigly during Guna ,Thalapathi release ,Trichy kamal - Rajini fans joined hands and there was wrinting on the wall wishing success of both Thapathi and Guna.

  
  
  Joe,
  
  What I heard was there was a great clash between Kamal fans and Rajini fans during the release of Guna and Thalapathi in Maris complex. After that the releases of Kamal and Rajini films never used to happen simultaneously.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Tue Feb 5 8:46:29 2008.

  leosimha wrote:

  Joe, What I heard was there was a great clash between Kamal fans and Rajini fans during the release of Guna and Thalapathi in Maris complex. After that the releases of Kamal and Rajini films never used to happen simultaneously.

  
  
  Devar Magan - Pandiyan
  Muthu - Kuruthi Punal
  Sathi leelavathy -- Baatsha
  CM- ME
  
  
  
  
  

• From: leosimha on Tue Feb 5 8:48:02 2008.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  leosimha wrote: Joe, What I heard was there was a great clash between Kamal fans and Rajini fans during the release of Guna and Thalapathi in Maris complex. After that the releases of Kamal and Rajini films never used to happen simultaneously. Devar Magan - Pandiyan Muthu - Kuruthi Punal Sathi leelavathy -- Baatsha CM- ME

  
  
  Did the both films release in the Maris Complex? If it is so, then I am wrong.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Tue Feb 5 8:49:52 2008.

  leosimha wrote:

  Did the both films release in the Maris Complex? If it is so, then I am wrong.

  
  
  Oh. U r talking only abt Marris Complex. I misunderstood. Thirumaran
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Feb 5 10:13:19 2008.

  leosimha wrote:

  Thirumaran wrote: leosimha wrote: Joe, What I heard was there was a great clash between Kamal fans and Rajini fans during the release of Guna and Thalapathi in Maris complex. After that the releases of Kamal and Rajini films never used to happen simultaneously. Devar Magan - Pandiyan Muthu - Kuruthi Punal Sathi leelavathy -- Baatsha CM- ME Did the both films release in the Maris Complex? If it is so, then I am wrong.

  
  
  You are wrong dear Guna released in Maris 70MM and Thalapathi released in Ramba and Kaveri. And there was no such clash during Guna-Thalapathi release ,but I heard it happened well before.
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Feb 5 10:28:02 2008.

  However, there was a clash in Sribrinda theatre in Chennai. Morning show was Guna and regular 3 shows were dalapathi. Due to the clash, both of the stars cutout were buried.
  
  Antha nal Nyapagam.
  
  

  Thirumaran wrote:

  leosimha wrote: Did the both films release in the Maris Complex? If it is so, then I am wrong. Oh. U r talking only abt Marris Complex. I misunderstood. Thirumaran

  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 5 14:54:35 2008.

  guna-thalapathi releases saw some great clashes in Udhayam complex.. tickets were burnt, cutouts spoiled.. total mayhem it seems.. our KK nagar tsunami lost his cycle that day..
  
  

• From: joe on Tue Feb 5 14:56:46 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  KK nagar tsunami

  
  
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Feb 6 15:08:50 2008.

  One of the best songs of all time... It will melt any ruffian's heart, or break down any manly soul that thinks having emotions is uncool! It makes me cry at once for sure...
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=bzDn7JCYwag&feature=related
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=5FBHQRA7DnE&feature=related
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaHzJXXjO3Y&feature=related
  
  Both Ilayaraja's voice and Kamal's will fit like a 'T'... The situations where the song will be played in the background were even more intense, that serve as reality check for ppl that think "It's all abt me"... Seeing the murder of one's own Dad, or singing to one's kids, or cremating one's own son... I dont have to tell you guys what song it is now!
  
  Just one word to explain - "INCREDIBLE"!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Wed Feb 6 15:22:16 2008.

  also when Kuruthipunal was released in devi.. muthu was released in devi paradise..
  kuruthipunal ran continous housefull shows for the first 37 days... muthu was housefull for the first 12 days only.. so, rajini fans used to splash water all over KP's advance booking chart with water packets.. this created some fights between the two group of fans.. stories abt these fights are very interesting, but not suitable for posting here
  
  

• From: omega on Wed Feb 6 19:05:35 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  also when Kuruthipunal was released in devi.. muthu was released in devi paradise.. kuruthipunal ran continous housefull shows for the first 37 days... muthu was housefull for the first 12 days only.. so, rajini fans used to splash water all over KP's advance booking chart with water packets.. this created some fights between the two group of fans.. stories abt these fights are very interesting, but not suitable for posting here

  
  
  neenga sonna unmayathaan irukkum..........
  
  

• From: Nerd on Thu Feb 7 1:52:43 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  also when Kuruthipunal was released in devi.. muthu was released in devi paradise.. kuruthipunal ran continous housefull shows for the first 37 days... muthu was housefull for the first 12 days only.. so, rajini fans used to splash water all over KP's advance booking chart with water packets.. this created some fights between the two group of fans.. stories abt these fights are very interesting, but not suitable for posting here

  
  
  
  

• From: leosimha on Thu Feb 7 2:58:15 2008.

  joe wrote:

  leosimha wrote: Did the both films release in the Maris Complex? If it is so, then I am wrong. You are wrong dear Guna released in Maris 70MM and Thalapathi released in Ramba and Kaveri. And there was no such clash during Guna-Thalapathi release ,but I heard it happened well before.

  
  
  Joe, thank you for updating me. oh, did the clash happen well before the release of these 2 films.
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Thu Feb 7 6:08:02 2008.

  joe wrote:

  You are wrong dear Guna released in Maris 70MM and Thalapathi released in Ramba and Kaveri. And there was no such clash during Guna-Thalapathi release ,but I heard it happened well before.

  
  
  Neenga Trichy la Padicheengala???
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Feb 7 7:54:42 2008.

  Kalyasi wrote:

  Neenga Trichy la Padicheengala???

  
  
  Yes
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Thu Feb 7 8:33:59 2008.

  joe wrote:

  Kalyasi wrote: Neenga Trichy la Padicheengala??? Yes

  
  
  Appo Namma oor kaararu...Enga na Padicheenga?
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Feb 7 9:39:05 2008.

  Kalyasi wrote:

  joe wrote: Kalyasi wrote: Neenga Trichy la Padicheengala??? Yes Appo Namma oor kaararu...Enga na Padicheenga?

  
  
  St.Joseph's (Maris theatre-la irunthu 100 meter-nnu sonna therinjirukkanume )
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Thu Feb 7 10:34:32 2008.

  joe wrote:

  Kalyasi wrote: joe wrote: Kalyasi wrote: Neenga Trichy la Padicheengala??? Yes Appo Namma oor kaararu...Enga na Padicheenga? St.Joseph's (Maris theatre-la irunthu 100 meter-nnu sonna therinjirukkanume )

  
  
  Oh Jail Joseph aa?? Soooper anna.. St.Joseph's sollarathukku ippidi oru clue va... Trichy la famous malaikottai mattum illa St.Joseph's um thaan...... Enga thatha kooda anga thaan padichaaru, Namma Maaveeran Napolean kooda anga thaane padichaaru.. Basket Ball Player aam...
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Feb 7 10:57:54 2008.

  Kalyasi wrote:

  Trichy la famous malaikottai mattum illa St.Joseph's um thaan......

  
  
  Athu
  

  Quote:

  Enga thatha kooda anga thaan padichaaru

  
  Ithu onnum Nakkal illaiye
  
  

  Quote:

  Namma Maaveeran Napolean kooda anga thaane padichaaru.. Basket Ball Player aam...

  
  
  Yes..when he was acting in Ejamaan ,he was the chief guest for college day.
  
  But oru chinna varuththam
  
  Nepolian-a sonna neenga Abdul kalam-a sollala
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Thu Feb 7 11:07:14 2008.

  joe wrote:

  Kalyasi wrote: Trichy la famous malaikottai mattum illa St.Joseph's um thaan...... Athu Quote: Enga thatha kooda anga thaan padichaaru Ithu onnum Nakkal illaiye Quote: Namma Maaveeran Napolean kooda anga thaane padichaaru.. Basket Ball Player aam... Yes..when he was acting in Ejamaan ,he was the chief guest for college day. But oru chinna varuththam Nepolian-a sonna neenga Abdul kalam-a sollala

  
  
  Hayyo aamam maranthuten.... Ithu Tamil Films Section illa athunaala enna mannichu vittudalaam...
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Feb 7 14:29:23 2008.

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  One of the best songs of all time... It will melt any ruffian's heart, or break down any manly soul that thinks having emotions is uncool! It makes me cry at once for sure... http://youtube.com/watch?v=bzDn7JCYwag&feature=related http://youtube.com/watch?v=5FBHQRA7DnE&feature=related http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaHzJXXjO3Y&feature=related Both Ilayaraja's voice and Kamal's will fit like a 'T'... The situations where the song will be played in the background were even more intense, that serve as reality check for ppl that think "It's all abt me"... Seeing the murder of one's own Dad, or singing to one's kids, or cremating one's own son... I dont have to tell you guys what song it is now! Just one word to explain - "INCREDIBLE"!

  
  
  The same emotions can pretty much be said of this song as well, from MAHANADHI! This time only, it's more of a Dad's love and grief on seeing his daughter's life and state...
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=9C0RJmB_2_E&feature=related
  
  Some amazing scenes from the movie that comes to my mind, relative to this song...
  
  * When the Granny takes the kids to visit Kamal in jail, and when the daughter walks out when the Granny says she's attained puberty - the way Kamal will grip those iron bars!
  
  * Obviously, the way he cries when she murmurs in sleep!
  
  etc etc...
  
  
  
  

• From: leosimha on Fri Feb 8 4:05:31 2008.

  joe wrote:

  St.Joseph's (Maris theatre-la irunthu 100 meter-nnu sonna therinjirukkanume )

  
  
  //dig//
  Oh ho....which year batch? Well, then you must be knowing Maths professor Kuppusaamy.
  //dig//
  
  I am extremely sorry for the digression.
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Feb 8 7:25:38 2008.

  //dig
  

  Kalyasi wrote:

  Oh Jail Joseph aa??

  
  
  Jail-la padichavanga list-a konjam paaru kanna!
  http://www.sjctni.edu/alumni.html
  //dig
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Fri Feb 8 8:50:27 2008.

  joe wrote:

  //dig Kalyasi wrote: Oh Jail Joseph aa?? Jail-la padichavanga list-a konjam paaru kanna! http://www.sjctni.edu/alumni.html //dig

  
  
  Athukku illa konjam Strict athaan apdi per vanthuruchu...
  
  Jail Joseph
  Jolly Jamal
  Beauty Bishop.... Rhythmic a namma makkal per vechutaanga....
  
  Innoru Per kooda irukku athaan... Sombu Shanmuga... Nerd kochuka Poraaru.. Naa Escape...
  
  

• From: Murali Srinivas on Fri Feb 8 8:56:21 2008.

  <Dig>
  
  Dear Kalyasi,
  
  Holy Cross -irkkum, SRC- ikkum enna patta peyar-nu kooda sollidinga.
  
  <end Dig>
  
  
  Regards
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Fri Feb 8 9:16:52 2008.

  Murali Srinivas wrote:

  <Dig> Dear Kalyasi, Holy Cross -irkkum, SRC- ikkum enna patta peyar-nu kooda sollidinga. <end Dig> Regards

  
  
  Neengalum Trichy ya sir?
  
  

• From: Murali Srinivas on Fri Feb 8 9:42:43 2008.

  Illai Kalyasi. Unga oorilirundhu oru 130(?) Kms towards south. Got it ? (Meenakshi Pattanam).
  
  Aana unga Oorile Colleges pathi theriyum (athilum naan ketta colleges pathi niraya (!) kelvipattriken). If I am not mistaken, Holy Cross was one of the earliest college to have become autonomous.
  
  Regards
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Fri Feb 8 13:08:27 2008.

  Murali Srinivas wrote:

  Illai Kalyasi. Unga oorilirundhu oru 130(?) Kms towards south. Got it ? (Meenakshi Pattanam). Aana unga Oorile Colleges pathi theriyum (athilum naan ketta colleges pathi niraya (!) kelvipattriken). If I am not mistaken, Holy Cross was one of the earliest college to have become autonomous. Regards

  
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 8 15:55:31 2008.

  I guess trichy kamal wing only named like some Nabigal nayakam or something.. Is that right?
  
  Though I belong to Chn, I love trichy very much. I used to be there atleast a week every year. I love to live in BHL place. My friends's uncles are working there . I really loved trichy.
  
  No other city of TN has 3 bus depots I guess. It's well connected to entire TN. Heard Next Tidel is goint to be there at Trichy after Kovai.
  
  
  
  
  

  Kalyasi wrote:

  Murali Srinivas wrote: <Dig> Dear Kalyasi, Holy Cross -irkkum, SRC- ikkum enna patta peyar-nu kooda sollidinga. <end Dig> Regards Neengalum Trichy ya sir?

  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Fri Feb 8 15:57:16 2008.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  I guess trichy kamal wing only named like some Nabigal nayakam or something.. Is that right? Though I belong to Chn, I love trichy very much. I used to be there atleast a week every year. I love to live in BHL place. My friends's uncles are working there . I really loved trichy. No other city of TN has 3 bus depots I guess. It's well connected to entire TN. Heard Next Tidel is goint to be there at Trichy after Kovai. Kalyasi wrote: Murali Srinivas wrote: <Dig> Dear Kalyasi, Holy Cross -irkkum, SRC- ikkum enna patta peyar-nu kooda sollidinga. <end Dig> Regards Neengalum Trichy ya sir?

  ennatha sollvenungo
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Feb 8 15:58:09 2008.

  
  
  Trichy pasanga remba nallavanga!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Fri Feb 8 15:59:16 2008.

  appan kudhiru kulla illainu, rendu perume kaatti koduthuttom..
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Feb 8 16:00:42 2008.

  Aey No bad wards!!
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri Feb 8 16:04:40 2008.

  Pasakara Pullaingappa..
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Trichy pasanga remba nallavanga!

  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Feb 8 16:41:08 2008.

  Very romantic song (from SATHYA)... This is one of the many many songs from the 80s, value of which I dint know while growing up, but find it a masterpiece now...
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=DDyA2_Grjp4&feature=related
  
  A couple of lines that make me feel GREAT! Brings out the romance in me... Ha-ha!
  
  munnaalum pinnaalum thaLLaadum
  en maeni en maeni un thoazhil aadum naaL
  
  sindhaamal nindraadum sendhaenae
  sangeedham undaagum nee paesum paechil dhaan
  
  
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Fri Feb 8 22:44:05 2008.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Pasakara Pullaingappa.. crajkumar_be wrote: Trichy pasanga remba nallavanga!

  
  
  Naanum BHEL la thaan Irunthen...
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Fri Feb 8 23:08:44 2008.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  I guess trichy kamal wing only named like some Nabigal nayakam or something.. Is that right? Though I belong to Chn, I love trichy very much. I used to be there atleast a week every year. I love to live in BHL place. My friends's uncles are working there . I really loved trichy. No other city of TN has 3 bus depots I guess. It's well connected to entire TN. Heard Next Tidel is goint to be there at Trichy after Kovai.

  
  
  Madurai has 4...
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Sat Feb 9 0:29:13 2008.

  Compilation of some gr8 scenes from hey ram
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p52uuPFdGWw&NR=1
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erqncbaeYvA&NR=1
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cOlQPHchxw&feature=related
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr1qK72I8ow&feature=related
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 11 5:46:01 2008.

  From Orkut: A general reply by our Guru Kannan Swamy to a topic about Thalaivar's locale specific details (dialects etc) in Thevar Magan and Virumaandi
  
  

  Quote:

  One of the key persons who helped in shaping up Devar Magan with touches of devar community etc was Sangili Murugan. He acted in that movie as Thalaivar's kanakku pillai. Thalaivar was supposed to do a movie for Sangili Murugan in return but it never panned out.... Thalaivar's father, who was a lawyer, used to be involved in cases related to murder and casteism in Ramnad district and so Thalaivar had learnt plenty from his dad on the events that lead to murder and so on in that area. So, he used a lot of that first hand (second hand?) knowledge in Virumaandi. cheers kannan

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Fri Feb 15 6:57:44 2008.

  Why I like... Pathinaaru Vayathinile ---- Vikram
  
  It was a role Kamal had done to perfection. I always wonder if he had to do it again, how would he do Chappani’s character? He couldn’t have done it any differently. It’s so nice. I love the way the story travels and the unexpected ending, Sridevi’s performance, Rajni sir’s character. So beautiful. You can actually picturise the village. It was very nice for a guy bred in the city to sit and watch the village shots. You can almost smell the village in the ‘Senthurapoove’ song. You won’t believe it but I used to know every dialogue by heart because at that time they used to have records with dialogues. I used to listen to it over and over and over again. So much so that recently somebody copied it in a Malayalam film and the moment I heard the dialogues, I knew they had taken it from Pathinaaru Vayathinile. (Quotes a couple of lines from the film: “Aatha kozhi vazhatha”, “Sethurunnu solu mayilu sethuruven”). I don’t remember my dialogues or any other dialogue from any other movie but this film still stays in my mind.
  
  And to top it all was Kamal sir’s perfection.
  
  http://www.hindu.com/cp/2008/02/15/stories/2008021550160400.htm
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Fri Feb 15 19:39:28 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JtbYbnA1vU&feature=related
  
  Varumayin Niram Sigappu
  
  KB and Kamal
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sat Feb 16 10:12:18 2008.

  sathya going on in kalaignar tv now..
  
  pull arikuthu
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Sat Feb 16 11:02:48 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  sathya going on in kalaignar tv now.. pull arikuthu

  
  
  Yes. Watching it. One of the best Angry Young Man movies. The anger, frustration, disappointment, happiness, raising against injustice etc etc put in a single role SathyaMoorthy. It had everything including the sister - father sentiments . BUt in a lot more diff way.
  
  Hotel scene
  "Janaki.. Ithu Ayothya strong tea.. mithilai la kooda kedaikkaathu"
  His reply in malayalam to that mallu aunty Lot more scenes.
  
  IlayaRaja's work was great esp the BGM
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Sat Feb 16 11:19:28 2008.

  Avvai shanmughi in k tv now..
  
  KSR + KAMAL >>>>>> Maximum Guarantee
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sat Feb 16 11:57:36 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: sathya going on in kalaignar tv now.. pull arikuthu Yes. Watching it. One of the best Angry Young Man movies. The anger, frustration, disappointment, happiness, raising against injustice etc etc put in a single role SathyaMoorthy. It had everything including the sister - father sentiments . BUt in a lot more diff way. Hotel scene "Janaki.. Ithu Ayothya strong tea.. mithilai la kooda kedaikkaathu" His reply in malayalam to that mallu aunty Lot more scenes. IlayaRaja's work was great esp the BGM

  Illayaraja gives a "hard hitting sound" everytime the audience is hit with a tragedy or a shock.
  
  BGS-layum raja kalakkuraaru.. and the editing in the opening scene where they play carrom is chanceless..
  
  i have a doubt.. is that friend who gets killed first, the editor lenin?
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Feb 18 3:20:56 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  i have a doubt.. is that friend who gets killed first, the editor lenin?

  
  
  NO...... but i too donno his name.... have seen him in some other movies too....
  
  is this the first movie which gives u the train sound as a BGM when kamal gets angry on hearing about Rangan taking his sister's dhavani?
  
  still they are using this type of BGM
  
  Amala: Thanks
  
  kamal: ungalukku indha varthaye theriyadhunnu nenachaen
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Feb 18 3:22:45 2008.

  saturday i saw a show in Jaya TV reg. kamal getting some award... saw views of balumahendra, Ilayaraja, KB & then kamal about that living legend award
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 18 7:21:03 2008.

  Sathyamurthi breathes fire
  
  superlative scene!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHdThpDbKQ
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Feb 18 7:23:06 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  saturday i saw a show in Jaya TV reg. kamal getting some award... saw views of balumahendra, Ilayaraja, KB & then kamal about that living legend award

  
  Re-telecast. It was about Kamal winning FICCI's Living Legend Award.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Feb 18 7:34:32 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  i have a doubt.. is that friend who gets killed first, the editor lenin?

  
  No! His name is G. M. Sundhar. Sundhar in sathyA, Poochi in chinna koundar are some of the popular roles he has acted in. He actually acted in B. Lenin's Urukku nUru PEr too. (Is that the source of confusion?)
  
  P.S.: B. Lenin namma Raaja 'voda "pAttAlE budhdhi sonnAr" pAttula varuvArE... Marx mARi dhAdi ellAm vechikkittu...
  
  

• From: MADDY on Mon Feb 18 9:21:06 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Sathyamurthi breathes fire superlative scene! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHdThpDbKQ

  
  
  one sumal kostin - is sathya reamke of Sunny Deol's Arjun or is Arjun , a remake of Kamal's sathya?? or are they completely different films&stories??
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 18 9:21:59 2008.

  Sathya is a remake of Arjun. The titles credit the story to Javed Akhtar
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 18 10:11:16 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Sathyamurthi breathes fire superlative scene! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHdThpDbKQ

  
  
  I know this guy Arun (arunsid), his videos rock!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 18 10:19:01 2008.

  Thilak,
  Thanks for the tip!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 18 10:20:26 2008.

  Odi poyi kattilikku adila olinjukka. illanna nejam vandhu kadichchidum.
  
  Sema Kalaaai!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 18 10:27:03 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Thilak, Thanks for the tip!

  
  
  Glad to be of some help!
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Mon Feb 18 10:35:13 2008.

  Another scene: The bajji vendor beaten up and getting tortured, Maestro uses bassful synth beats with long pause as they show Kamal's glance to biting his beard in disgust, then the ultimate "masala" moment (deceptively packed in a tight story line) - the lion's "roar" and the anger that shrieks out loud from the face, and somewhat awkward run in the slow-mo, but here, Isaignani's "mute" of the roar is sheer class, because it nicely sets up the following music (where the violin's frantic ludes is in line with Sathyamoorthy's frantic outburst) aided with the slow-mo shot is manifestation of frustrations (From personal to social), and then of course, starts the fight. There's a subtle undercurrent by this "muting"!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 18 10:38:18 2008.

  thilak4life wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Thilak, Thanks for the tip! Glad to be of some help!

  
  
  oru video "godown"a iruppaaru pola!
  
  One of the funniest scenes ever.
  VNS "saapudra" scene
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_AwuUVdj8
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Feb 18 10:42:45 2008.

  thilak4life wrote:

  as they show Kamal's glance to biting his beard in disgust

  
  
  Sathyamurthy - sinamkonda singam!
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Feb 18 10:55:16 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  One of the funniest scenes ever. VNS "saapudra" scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_AwuUVdj8

  
  Chaplin serving as the inspiration yet again. Kamal is the ultimate blue-eyed boy of KB. For all his supposed rigidity when it comes to handling his actors, the extent to which KB has let Kamal "interfere" over the years of their association is singularly special to say the least. Not that KB and Chaplin are from two different worlds (after all, Nagesh, KB's other blue-eyed boy, drew inspiration from Chaplin as well, but not at all in the same vein as Kamal did/does), but Kamal's "interference" is there to be seen in films like vaRumaiyin niRam sivappu.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Feb 18 13:59:40 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: i have a doubt.. is that friend who gets killed first, the editor lenin? No! His name is G. M. Sundhar. Sundhar in sathyA, Poochi in chinna koundar are some of the popular roles he has acted in. He actually acted in B. Lenin's Urukku nUru PEr too. (Is that the source of confusion?) P.S.: B. Lenin namma Raaja 'voda "pAttAlE budhdhi sonnAr" pAttula varuvArE... Marx mARi dhAdi ellAm vechikkittu...

  amaam
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Feb 18 15:53:51 2008.

  Too Good. As pointed by our hubber devar magan the carrom board scene BGM also is superb
  

  thilak4life wrote:

  Another scene: The bajji vendor beaten up and getting tortured, Maestro uses bassful synth beats with long pause as they show Kamal's glance to biting his beard in disgust, then the ultimate "masala" moment (deceptively packed in a tight story line) - the lion's "roar" and the anger that shrieks out loud from the face, and somewhat awkward run in the slow-mo, but here, Isaignani's "mute" of the roar is sheer class, because it nicely sets up the following music (where the violin's frantic ludes is in line with Sathyamoorthy's frantic outburst) aided with the slow-mo shot is manifestation of frustrations (From personal to social), and then of course, starts the fight. There's a subtle undercurrent by this "muting"!

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Feb 18 16:07:31 2008.

  Innum neraya irukku .
  Dowry problems, Chithi kodumai, Politicians misusing Young men, Unemployment, Women Harrassment....enna illa intha padathula
  

  selvakumar wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: sathya going on in kalaignar tv now.. pull arikuthu Yes. Watching it. One of the best Angry Young Man movies. The anger, frustration, disappointment, happiness, raising against injustice etc etc put in a single role SathyaMoorthy. It had everything including the sister - father sentiments . BUt in a lot more diff way. Hotel scene "Janaki.. Ithu Ayothya strong tea.. mithilai la kooda kedaikkaathu" His reply in malayalam to that mallu aunty Lot more scenes. IlayaRaja's work was great esp the BGM

  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 1:21:20 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Innum neraya irukku . Dowry problems, Chithi kodumai, Politicians misusing Young men, Unemployment, Women Harrassment....enna illa intha padathula

  
  
  i remember a kuthu pattu by vaali & co (i saw the movie until 7:00 pm kalignar news)
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Feb 19 1:24:54 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  thilak4life wrote: as they show Kamal's glance to biting his beard in disgust Sathyamurthy - sinamkonda singam!

  
  
  Ithellam appadiye varathu thaan'la
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 5:28:00 2008.

  what is the difference between:
  
  Anbe sivam
  Vasool Raja MBBS
  
  Both the films has the theme LOVE IS GOD..... i liked VRaja more than Anbe Sivam, but y no one is talking about Vasool Raja
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Feb 19 6:30:52 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  what is the difference between: Anbe sivam Vasool Raja MBBS

  
  
  spelling-la irundhu innum pala differences sollalam..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 6:45:00 2008.

  thilak4life wrote:

  raaja_rasigan wrote: what is the difference between: Anbe sivam Vasool Raja MBBS spelling-la irundhu innum pala differences sollalam..

  
  
  ennanga idhu.... naan endha oru icon-um podama oru genuine question ketta ippadi ans panreengale
  
  eppadi AS is greater than VR
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Feb 19 6:54:24 2008.

  r_r Your comparision is bad
  
  VR is no match for AS
  
  

• From: VENKIRAJA on Tue Feb 19 7:00:10 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  what is the difference between: Anbe sivam Vasool Raja MBBS Both the films has the theme LOVE IS GOD..... i liked VRaja more than Anbe Sivam, but y no one is talking about Vasool Raja

  
  
  Just the very title makes it all!
  Anbe sivam,the movie is not good,excellent,mindblowing......its divine!
  Vasool raja,It can also be seen umpteen no. of times,but whatever it is anbe sivam has better performance,music,dialogues,cohesion of events,the ideal chemistry,realism,very fine comedy,and above all the climax just blows us away!
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 7:00:17 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  r_r Your comparision is bad VR is no match for AS

  
  
  VR is a comedy movie------But AS is a serious movie
  
  But comedy worked better in AS than VR IMO
  
  But AS is also an another masala movie with a brand name Class movie from Kamal
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 7:53:43 2008.

  oru C class audience levella partha:
  
  Vasool Raja - nalla concept oda comedy, songs mix panna padama theriyudhu
  
  -------------------------------
  
  AS - adhe concept-la communism mix panni.... nalla padichavangalukku mattume puriyura dialogues-oda oru documentary madhiri irukkudhu
  
  sample dialogue in AS:
  
  Maddy: unga Russia-ve thundu thunda odanjuduchu (something liek this)
  
  Kamal: tajmahal illaina neenga love panradha niruthiduveengala
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 7:59:51 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  But AS is also an another masala movie with a brand name Class movie from Kamal

  
  Anbe Sivam - A masala movie
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:01:12 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  oru C class audience levella partha: Vasool Raja - nalla concept oda comedy, songs mix panna padama theriyudhu ------------------------------- AS - adhe concept-la communism mix panni.... nalla padichavangalukku mattume puriyura dialogues-oda oru documentary madhiri irukkudhu sample dialogue in AS: Maddy: unga Russia-ve thundu thunda odanjuduchu (something liek this) Kamal: tajmahal illaina neenga love panradha niruthiduveengala

  
  
  Adhenna C class level---Can u explain me briefly?
  
  Appa padikkaadhavanga ellam AS paakka koodaadha?
  
  EGGI----Enna Goduma Gaptain sir idhu
  
  

• From: sriranga on Tue Feb 19 8:03:25 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  raaja_rasigan wrote: oru C class audience levella partha: Vasool Raja - nalla concept oda comedy, songs mix panna padama theriyudhu ------------------------------- AS - adhe concept-la communism mix panni.... nalla padichavangalukku mattume puriyura dialogues-oda oru documentary madhiri irukkudhu sample dialogue in AS: Maddy: unga Russia-ve thundu thunda odanjuduchu (something liek this) Kamal: tajmahal illaina neenga love panradha niruthiduveengala Adhenna C class level---Can u explain me briefly? Appa padikkaadhavanga ellam AS paakka koodaadha? EGGI----Enna Goduma Gaptain sir idhu

  
  
  yaaru sonna, purinchaa parkalaam.
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:11:13 2008.

  sriranga wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: raaja_rasigan wrote: oru C class audience levella partha: Vasool Raja - nalla concept oda comedy, songs mix panna padama theriyudhu ------------------------------- AS - adhe concept-la communism mix panni.... nalla padichavangalukku mattume puriyura dialogues-oda oru documentary madhiri irukkudhu sample dialogue in AS: Maddy: unga Russia-ve thundu thunda odanjuduchu (something liek this) Kamal: tajmahal illaina neenga love panradha niruthiduveengala Adhenna C class level---Can u explain me briefly? Appa padikkaadhavanga ellam AS paakka koodaadha? EGGI----Enna Goduma Gaptain sir idhu yaaru sonna, purinchaa parkalaam.

  
  
  Apdithaan'ra maadhiri irukku R_R'oda statement
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:12:30 2008.

  sriranga wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: raaja_rasigan wrote: oru C class audience levella partha: Vasool Raja - nalla concept oda comedy, songs mix panna padama theriyudhu ------------------------------- AS - adhe concept-la communism mix panni.... nalla padichavangalukku mattume puriyura dialogues-oda oru documentary madhiri irukkudhu sample dialogue in AS: Maddy: unga Russia-ve thundu thunda odanjuduchu (something liek this) Kamal: tajmahal illaina neenga love panradha niruthiduveengala Adhenna C class level---Can u explain me briefly? Appa padikkaadhavanga ellam AS paakka koodaadha? EGGI----Enna Goduma Gaptain sir idhu yaaru sonna, purinchaa parkalaam.

  
  
  
  
  konjam film festivel-la podura padama irukku endru solkiraen
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 8:19:28 2008.

  C centre audience cudnt relate themselves with the story as we could..
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:21:18 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  sriranga wrote: sarna_blr wrote: raaja_rasigan wrote: oru C class audience levella partha: Vasool Raja - nalla concept oda comedy, songs mix panna padama theriyudhu ------------------------------- AS - adhe concept-la communism mix panni.... nalla padichavangalukku mattume puriyura dialogues-oda oru documentary madhiri irukkudhu sample dialogue in AS: Maddy: unga Russia-ve thundu thunda odanjuduchu (something liek this) Kamal: tajmahal illaina neenga love panradha niruthiduveengala Adhenna C class level---Can u explain me briefly? Appa padikkaadhavanga ellam AS paakka koodaadha? EGGI----Enna Goduma Gaptain sir idhu yaaru sonna, purinchaa parkalaam. konjam film festivel-la podura padama irukku endru solkiraen

  
  
  Apdi paaththaa Paruthiveeran kooda thaan ellaa film festivallayum poduraanga,
  Adhukkaaga padikkaadhavangulukku puriyaadha enna?
  EGGI----Enna Goduma Gaptain sir idhu
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:22:40 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  Apdithaan'ra maadhiri irukku R_R'oda statement

  
  
  rombah naala indha padam nan parkalai... when i saw a few scenes in sun tv, when it released.... i thought ..... ennada idhu summa pesikitta irukkanga, onnum puriyavum illai (the scene where maddy & kamal comes to a hotel room)....
  
  then after reading a lot of posts in Hub & some of my collegues said highly about this film...... then i saw AS recently..... then i thought this (whats the BIG diff b/w AS & VR)
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:25:16 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  C centre audience cudnt relate themselves with the story as we could..

  
  
  
  
  sarna_blr..... nan solla varradha purinjukonga..... it is my opinion on Anbe Sivam.... i am not saying it is a Bad or Average masala movie
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:25:52 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: Apdithaan'ra maadhiri irukku R_R'oda statement rombah naala indha padam nan parkalai... when i saw a few scenes in sun tv, when it released.... i thought ..... ennada idhu summa pesikitta irukkanga, onnum puriyavum illai (the scene where maddy & kamal comes to a hotel room).... then after reading a lot of posts in Hub & some of my collegues said highly about this film...... then i saw AS recently..... then i thought this (whats the BIG diff b/w AS & VR)

  
  
  ungalukku Thavasi maadhiri padam dhaan romba pudikkum'nu nenakkurane
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Feb 19 8:26:36 2008.

  RR,
  
  Don't underestimate C center audience. Sometimes, we take their acceptance (or even intelligence) for granted, they're fed with a type of films, and they're adapted to such confinement. But, I know that the percentage of people who love "Anbe Sivam" over VRMBBS, is low but still comparable to the so-called "A centers"!
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:29:17 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: C centre audience cudnt relate themselves with the story as we could.. sarna_blr..... nan solla varradha purinjukonga..... it is my opinion on Anbe Sivam.... i am not saying it is a Bad or Average masala movie

  
  
  1st answer me......,
  Wt do u mean by C centre audience?
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 8:29:31 2008.

  thilak4life wrote:

  RR, Don't underestimate C center audience. Sometimes, we take their acceptance (or even intelligence) for granted, they're fed with a type of films, and they're adapted to such confinement. But, I know that the percentage of people who love "Anbe Sivam" over VRMBBS, is low but still comparable to the so-called "A centers"!

  
  IMO, Without B and C centre audience, there won't be any thing by name "tamil cinema"
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:29:35 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  ungalukku Thavasi maadhiri padam dhaan romba pudikkum'nu nenakkurane

  
  
  Alwarukkum Anjaneyavukkum Thavasi evvalavo paravaillai appadinu nan discussionoda route-ah mathalam ..... aana kamal rasiga nanbargal varuthapaduvanga
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:32:16 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: ungalukku Thavasi maadhiri padam dhaan romba pudikkum'nu nenakkurane Alwarukkum Anjaneyavukkum Thavasi evvalavo paravaillai appadinu nan discussionoda route-ah mathalam ..... aana kamal rasiga nanbargal varuthapaduvanga

  
  
  Naan onnum VijayKanth hater kidayaadhu...,
  
  IMO Ramana is far better than AS
  
  But u answer my question pls,
  
  wt do u mean by C centre audience?
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 8:33:17 2008.

  the same C centre audience didnt reject nayagan or moondram pirai..
  
  if Anbe sivam was projected as a tragic love story, then it wud have been more appealing to them.. but, LOVE is GOD theme overshadowed the love-angle.. so, C centre audience dint get it at all..
  
  mostly C centre audiences are god-fearing souls.. avanga kitta poyi LOVE is GOD-na, suthamaa vilangaathu..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:33:24 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  raaja_rasigan wrote: Devar Magan wrote: C centre audience cudnt relate themselves with the story as we could.. sarna_blr..... nan solla varradha purinjukonga..... it is my opinion on Anbe Sivam.... i am not saying it is a Bad or Average masala movie 1st answer me......, Wt do u mean by C centre audience?

  
  
  other then A & B (kovichukkadheenga)
  
  ungalukku theriyadha
  
  C class - multiplex-la padam parkka mudiyadhavanga
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 8:34:47 2008.

  C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:36:10 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  IMO Ramana is far better than AS

  
  
  indha velayattukke nan varalai...
  
  rendum kamal padam, rendum ore madhiri theme enbadhal idhai kettaen
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 8:36:35 2008.

  Sarna.
  What do you want R_R to agree ? He is telling that Anbe Sivam isn't a C centre material which even Devar Magan is referring to. Thavasi is a OK family entertainer and I don't know how captain came here. Every actor have given films that reach only to selected classes.
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 8:38:33 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience..

  
  yes. And esp those who buy tickets at less than Rs.15/- and watch films.
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:40:08 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience..

  
  
  "adhepadi...... avanga ellam A class aga kodadha"
  - ippadi yarum solla koodudhunnudhan rombha think panni
  
  "C class - multiplex-la padam parkka mudiyadhavanga" ippadi oru definition kuduthaen
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 8:42:06 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience.. yes. And esp those who buy tickets at less than Rs.15/- and watch films.

  yes.. but in today's TC market, the C centre share is not even 10% of the total pie.. A centres surely around 60 to 70 %..
  
  B centres around 25 to 35% ..
  
  

• From: MADDY on Tue Feb 19 8:43:36 2008.

  i'm not a C center guy - i have problems with Anbe Sivam or i found it unlikable - wat do u guys have to say??
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 8:43:54 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  selvakumar wrote: Devar Magan wrote: C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience.. yes. And esp those who buy tickets at less than Rs.15/- and watch films. yes.. but in today's TC market, the C centre share is not even 10% of the total pie.. A centres surely around 60 to 70 %.. B centres around 25 to 35% ..

  
  Actually, for getting that 60-70%, the platform comes through B and C. IMO, no one can remain as an A centre hero for years.
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:44:20 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: raaja_rasigan wrote: Devar Magan wrote: C centre audience cudnt relate themselves with the story as we could.. sarna_blr..... nan solla varradha purinjukonga..... it is my opinion on Anbe Sivam.... i am not saying it is a Bad or Average masala movie 1st answer me......, Wt do u mean by C centre audience? other then A & B (kovichukkadheenga) ungalukku theriyadha C class - multiplex-la padam parkka mudiyadhavanga

  
  
  Appo multiplex'la padam paaka mudiyaadhavanga ellaam C centre audience
  
  Appo AS maadhiri padangal multiplex'la mattum dhaan oduchchaa?
  Unmaya sollanumnu engeyume sariya odalai---Adhu dhaan unmai
  
  Oru padam hit aagalain'na chummaakkaachchum namma kollywood kaaranga C centre audience'ku pudikkala---adhanaala dhaan odala--- apdinu peela vuduvaanga
  
  Please dont differentiate the audience ad A or B or C ...... Z ....
  
  Even if u c audience coming out from multiplexes will have different opinion....
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 8:47:06 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience.. "adhepadi...... avanga ellam A class aga kodadha" - ippadi yarum solla koodudhunnudhan rombha think panni "C class - multiplex-la padam parkka mudiyadhavanga" ippadi oru definition kuduthaen

  illai..
  
  i said generally.. even among this C centre audience, may be 10 to 20% might have liked the movie..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:47:32 2008.

  sarna_blr.... aala vidunga.... Bheema threadla Pras wait panraaru... ange poyi edhayavadhu copy paste pannunga
  
  

• From: Corleone on Tue Feb 19 8:47:38 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  selvakumar wrote: Devar Magan wrote: C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience.. yes. And esp those who buy tickets at less than Rs.15/- and watch films. yes.. but in today's TC market, the C centre share is not even 10% of the total pie.. A centres surely around 60 to 70 %.. B centres around 25 to 35% ..

  
  
  Spot on....Aaniyin thalayil sariyaaga adithuvitteergal.
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:48:59 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  sarna_blr.... aala vidunga.... Bheema threadla Pras wait panraaru... ange poyi edhayavadhu copy paste pannunga

  
  
  Unmai sila nerangalil kasakkum----adhukkaaga ippadiya virattu veenga
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 8:50:22 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  raaja_rasigan wrote: sarna_blr.... aala vidunga.... Bheema threadla Pras wait panraaru... ange poyi edhayavadhu copy paste pannunga Unmai sila nerangalil kasakkum----adhukkaaga ippadiya virattu veenga

  
  
  ungala yaru verattuna.. rendu perum serndhe povoam... vanga
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 8:50:47 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: selvakumar wrote: Devar Magan wrote: C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience.. yes. And esp those who buy tickets at less than Rs.15/- and watch films. yes.. but in today's TC market, the C centre share is not even 10% of the total pie.. A centres surely around 60 to 70 %.. B centres around 25 to 35% .. Actually, for getting that 60-70%, the platform comes through B and C. IMO, no one can remain as an A centre hero for years.

  i just quoted the percentage, not the amount of money..
  
  example : Mozhi...
  
  

• From: Corleone on Tue Feb 19 8:51:47 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: selvakumar wrote: Devar Magan wrote: C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience.. yes. And esp those who buy tickets at less than Rs.15/- and watch films. yes.. but in today's TC market, the C centre share is not even 10% of the total pie.. A centres surely around 60 to 70 %.. B centres around 25 to 35% .. Actually, for getting that 60-70%, the platform comes through B and C. IMO, no one can remain as an A centre hero for years.

  
  
  No Selva....its the other way around these days. A centres guys can penetrate into B and C....but not the other way around.
  
  Typical C centre guys have gone into oblivion after the late 90s. Ex. Ramarajan, Vijayakanth, Sarathkumar, etc.
  
  In today's scenario one can only sustain with the help of his BO power in A centres.
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:51:53 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: raaja_rasigan wrote: sarna_blr.... aala vidunga.... Bheema threadla Pras wait panraaru... ange poyi edhayavadhu copy paste pannunga Unmai sila nerangalil kasakkum----adhukkaaga ippadiya virattu veenga ungala yaru verattuna.. rendu perum serndhe povoam... vanga

  
  
  bheema thread'la ennoda post'ku yedhaavudhu reply pannunga ----appurama varane
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 8:52:16 2008.

  Corleone wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: selvakumar wrote: Devar Magan wrote: C-class audience generally refers to labour-class or rural kind of audience.. yes. And esp those who buy tickets at less than Rs.15/- and watch films. yes.. but in today's TC market, the C centre share is not even 10% of the total pie.. A centres surely around 60 to 70 %.. B centres around 25 to 35% .. Spot on....Aaniyin thalayil sariyaaga adithuvitteergal.

  nandri
  
  

• From: MADDY on Tue Feb 19 8:52:16 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  Oru padam hit aagalain'na chummaakkaachchum namma kollywood kaaranga C centre audience'ku pudikkala---adhanaala dhaan odala--- apdinu peela vuduvaanga Please dont differentiate the audience ad A or B or C ...... Z .... Even if u c audience coming out from multiplexes will have different opinion....

  
  
  bang on!! if C centre can accept movies like PV, Sethu & Nayagan - i dont think their capacity is less IMO AS had lot of hidden agenda which is y it bombed
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 8:52:43 2008.

  Quote:

  i just quoted the percentage, not the amount of money..

  
  
  What I meant there was : The platform for everything.
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Tue Feb 19 8:53:48 2008.

  MADDY wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: Oru padam hit aagalain'na chummaakkaachchum namma kollywood kaaranga C centre audience'ku pudikkala---adhanaala dhaan odala--- apdinu peela vuduvaanga Please dont differentiate the audience ad A or B or C ...... Z .... Even if u c audience coming out from multiplexes will have different opinion.... bang on!! if C centre can accept movies like PV, Sethu & Nayagan - i dont think their capacity is less IMO AS had lot of hidden agenda which is y it bombed

  
  
  Naan enna solla vandheno, adhaye neenga sollitteenga
  
  There is no A or B or C centre audience
  
  

• From: Corleone on Tue Feb 19 8:54:57 2008.

  MADDY wrote:

  sarna_blr wrote: Oru padam hit aagalain'na chummaakkaachchum namma kollywood kaaranga C centre audience'ku pudikkala---adhanaala dhaan odala--- apdinu peela vuduvaanga Please dont differentiate the audience ad A or B or C ...... Z .... Even if u c audience coming out from multiplexes will have different opinion.... bang on!! if C centre can accept movies like PV, Sethu & Nayagan - i dont think their capacity is less IMO AS had lot of hidden agenda which is y it bombed

  
  
  IMO AS was rejected by A,B,C....Z...
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 9:00:12 2008.

  Corleone wrote:

  Actually, for getting that 60-70%, the platform comes through B and C. IMO, no one can remain as an A centre hero for years.

  
  
  No Selva....its the other way around these days. A centres guys can penetrate into B and C....but not the other way around.
  
  Typical C centre guys have gone into oblivion after the late 90s. Ex. Ramarajan, Vijayakanth, Sarathkumar, etc.
  
  In today's scenario one can only sustain with the help of his BO power in A centres.[/quote]
  I feel that B and C centre is very important for popular stars. I agree that A centres might be generating more revenue. But the popularity and reach will be good with a B and C centre and they create a minimum guarantee. They are more loyal and give you opening. This is something that we can't expect always from A centre. If the movie isn't good, it will be thrown away. With a good director any actor can launch into A centre very well. IMO, both are important. I think vijaykanth's ramana did well in A centres while his Perarasu did only in B and C. For e.g., the reach of paruthiveeran & karthi in paruthiveeran will be great compared to prithviraj in mozhi
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 9:02:25 2008.

  sarna_blr wrote:

  MADDY wrote: sarna_blr wrote: Oru padam hit aagalain'na chummaakkaachchum namma kollywood kaaranga C centre audience'ku pudikkala---adhanaala dhaan odala--- apdinu peela vuduvaanga Please dont differentiate the audience ad A or B or C ...... Z .... Even if u c audience coming out from multiplexes will have different opinion.... bang on!! if C centre can accept movies like PV, Sethu & Nayagan - i dont think their capacity is less IMO AS had lot of hidden agenda which is y it bombed Naan enna solla vandheno, adhaye neenga sollitteenga There is no A or B or C centre audience

  very much wrong..
  
  movies like CH-28, mozhi, VV were not as big in C centres as they were in A centres.. say, in A centres, 90% liked the movie, in C centres only around 50% might have liked it..
  
  B centres are like a mix of A and C.. here, there is good scope for collections if the movie majorly satisfies either A or C..
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 9:04:12 2008.

  Corleone wrote:

  MADDY wrote: sarna_blr wrote: Oru padam hit aagalain'na chummaakkaachchum namma kollywood kaaranga C centre audience'ku pudikkala---adhanaala dhaan odala--- apdinu peela vuduvaanga Please dont differentiate the audience ad A or B or C ...... Z .... Even if u c audience coming out from multiplexes will have different opinion.... bang on!! if C centre can accept movies like PV, Sethu & Nayagan - i dont think their capacity is less IMO AS had lot of hidden agenda which is y it bombed IMO AS was rejected by A,B,C....Z...

  yes... the movie's poor publicity campaign did hurt the movie a lot.. with sundar.c as the director, the audience didnt expect a movie like anbe sivam..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 9:05:36 2008.

  If there is no C Center.... Perarasu (director) ellam padame edukka mudiyadhu
  
  

• From: Corleone on Tue Feb 19 9:20:07 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  I feel that B and C centre is very important for popular stars. I agree that A centres might be generating more revenue. But the popularity and reach will be good with a B and C centre and they create a minimum guarantee.

  
  
  I think the fact is quite opposite...with respect business...its the A which gives minimum guarantee.
  
  

  selvakumar wrote:

  They are more loyal and give you opening. This is something that we can't expect always from A centre. If the movie isn't good, it will be thrown away.

  
  
  Again it is the other way....In C centres if the movie is not good it will fall on the first day itself....but in cities normally first weekend is completely booked for movies with big hype.
  So when it comes to opening also its the A which leads with respect to BO money. Even so called flops like Bheema, ATM, INA did quite well in A centres and were complete washouts in typical C centres.
  
  

  selvakumar wrote:

  I think vijaykanth's ramana did well in A centres while his Perarasu did only in B and C.

  
  
  I dont need need to tell u which is the bigger hit and which movie generated more profit, critical acclaim, media hype, opening, long run, etc between ramana and perarasu.
  
  

  selvakumar wrote:

  For e.g., the reach of paruthiveeran & karthi in paruthiveeran will be great compared to prithviraj in mozhi

  
  
  PV is not just a C centre movie....it did great business in A and B almost equivalent to mozhi.
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Feb 19 9:24:53 2008.

  Corleone,
  A bit clear now. But I feel stars shouldn't ignore B and C. esp mass heroes or popular stars. that will alienate them.
  
  

• From: Corleone on Tue Feb 19 9:44:25 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Corleone, A bit clear now. But I feel stars shouldn't ignore B and C. esp mass heroes or popular stars. that will alienate them.

  
  
  I would like to revise ur statement as stars shouldn't ignore A and O. esp mass heroes or popular stars. that will alienate them
  
  What u mentioned was the scenario upto the 90s.
  
  All the four current mass heros have phenomenal fan power in A and O. And all their last big hits (VV, Sivaji, Billa, Pokiri) were not targetted at C centres...they were specifically targetted at A and O. These movies didn have a great run in C centres.
  
  But its not working the other way around these days. Ex: Sarathkumar and Vijayakanth movies.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue Feb 19 9:50:16 2008.

  Corleone wrote:

  selvakumar wrote: Corleone, A bit clear now. But I feel stars shouldn't ignore B and C. esp mass heroes or popular stars. that will alienate them. I would like to revise ur statement as stars shouldn't ignore A and O. esp mass heroes or popular stars. that will alienate them What u mentioned was the scenario upto the 90s. All the four current mass heros have phenomenal fan power in A and O. And all their last big hits (VV, Sivaji, Billa, Pokiri) were not targetted at C centres...they were specifically targetted at A and O. These movies didn have a great run in C centres. But its not working the other way around these days. Ex(Sarathkumar and Vijayakanth movies).

  VIjay always targets his movie at C centres, except the recent ATM, in which he tried to woo the multiplex audience..
  
  pokiri was another B and C movie only.. A centres-la thaan fan following effect maximum, as corleone pointed out...
  
  even an ATM or Aalwar wud have made much money in A centres than C centres.. though loss% might be uniform everywhere..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Feb 19 9:51:00 2008.

  Corleone wrote:

  All the four current mass heros have phenomenal fan power in A and O. And all their last big hits (VV, Sivaji, Billa, Pokiri) were not targetted at C centres...they were specifically targetted at A and O. These movies didn have a great run in C centres. But its not working the other way around these days. Ex: Sarathkumar and Vijayakanth movies.

  
  
  these 2 are targetting something else (u all know what it is)... so they are giving movies for B & C
  
  

• From: sriranga on Tue Feb 19 9:52:23 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  Corleone wrote: All the four current mass heros have phenomenal fan power in A and O. And all their last big hits (VV, Sivaji, Billa, Pokiri) were not targetted at C centres...they were specifically targetted at A and O. These movies didn have a great run in C centres. But its not working the other way around these days. Ex: Sarathkumar and Vijayakanth movies. these 2 are targetting something else (u all know what it is)... so they are giving movies for B & C

  
  
  adhu.
  
  b/c center crowd is loyal in that sense.
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Tue Feb 19 10:32:35 2008.

  I stress my earlier point:
  
  Percentage of C center audience who liked Anbe Sivam over VRMBBS (in theater) : X
  
  Percetage of B center audience who liked AS over VRMBBS (in theater): Y
  
  Percetage of A center audience who liked AS over VRMBBS (in theater): Z
  
  
  X isn't that lower than Y or Z. Y isn't that lower than Z.
  
  In general, AS had more of a television audience. And, the piracy was at an all time high. Of course, it became a cult film with the press, and public.
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Fri Feb 22 14:28:51 2008.

  http://www.hindu.com/cp/2008/02/22/stories/2008022250100400.htm
  
  

  Quote:

  Recently, I liked Vettaiyaadu Vilayadu. The love scenes between Kamal and Jyotika were well done. Especially, the scene in the airport where he comes and proposes to her.

  
  
  well.. ramani.. you have got good company here..
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sat Feb 23 15:32:38 2008.

  Chaplin Chellappa
  
  

• From: Roshan on Sun Feb 24 3:34:52 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Quote: Recently, I liked Vettaiyaadu Vilayadu. The love scenes between Kamal and Jyotika were well done. Especially, the scene in the airport where he comes and proposes to her.

  
  
  
  I loved it Even though Raghavan falls in love with Aaradhana during their NY encounters ('uraiyAdals and stuff you know ') itself , he declares his love only after he learns that she's a mother of a 11 months old kid. That made the 'proposing' scene very special. And the way Raghavan relates Aradhana's kid with the 'unborn' kid of his first wife Dialogues - simple, casual yet powerful
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Feb 25 2:40:01 2008.

  http://surveysan.blogspot.com/2008/02/asianet.html
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Feb 27 14:07:21 2008.

  Noted writer, screenwriter and Kamal-collabarator Sujatha passed away.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Feb 27 14:10:37 2008.

  Just came to know from Venkiraja's post
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Feb 27 14:22:57 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Noted writer, screenwriter and Kamal-collabarator Sujatha passed away.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: Roshan on Wed Feb 27 14:44:12 2008.

  Unable to believe, unable to accept and unable to digest. I have grown up reading him and have learnt so much from his writings. Ithaithavira vERu yethuvum solla mudiyavillai. I feel so miserable.
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Thu Feb 28 1:05:03 2008.

  Roshan wrote:

  selvakumar wrote: Quote: Recently, I liked Vettaiyaadu Vilayadu. The love scenes between Kamal and Jyotika were well done. Especially, the scene in the airport where he comes and proposes to her. I loved it Even though Raghavan falls in love with Aaradhana during their NY encounters ('uraiyAdals and stuff you know ') itself , he declares his love only after he learns that she's a mother of a 11 months old kid. That made the 'proposing' scene very special. And the way Raghavan relates Aradhana's kid with the 'unborn' kid of his first wife Dialogues - simple, casual yet powerful

  
  
  Very true.Most ppl still feel the scenes between KH&Jo slow down the pace of the movie.But after two watchings I feel it's that track which makes the film more special.
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Mar 7 15:17:35 2008.

  Katta Vandi from SAKALAKALAA VALLAVAN (1982)!
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=x8y5-iOkOCA&feature=related
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=kkagAW4anJA&feature=related
  
  What a great song! Never will fade away...
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Mar 9 13:20:03 2008.

  chanakyan in surya tv, from 11.30pm tonight.. dont miss it..
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Mar 9 17:04:32 2008.

  good movie ..
  
  no songs..
  
  chanakyan rocks.. excellent performance by jayaram , thilagan and ofcourse kadavul
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Sun Mar 9 20:36:06 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  good movie .. no songs.. chanakyan rocks.. excellent performance by jayaram , thilagan and ofcourse kadavul

  
  
  do you understand Malayalam?
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 10 8:25:03 2008.

  breadpuli wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: good movie .. no songs.. chanakyan rocks.. excellent performance by jayaram , thilagan and ofcourse kadavul do you understand Malayalam?

  a bit.
  
  but i did understand the movie..
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Mar 12 14:05:38 2008.

  Just heard/watched a couple of cool songs from VAAZHVE MAAYAM, with the handsome Kamal and gorgeous SriDevi!
  
  Devi Sridevi
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=AIFDNjbkX7g&feature=related
  
  Mazhai Kaala Megam Ondru
  
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=-SHDxH2RYbc&feature=related
  
  Watching Kamal's dance especially: The guy that brought the whole concept of dance to Tamil cinema, now to be done by every Tom-Dick-and-Harry!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Fri Mar 14 7:25:43 2008.

  Kannan Swamy on Kaakki Chattai.
  
  Rasigar Mandram show of KC
  Kaakhi Chattai was released on 11th April 1985.
  
  I saw the movie on the first day rasigar mandram show (morning) at Devi Paradise. Back in those days, Kamal Fans Association used to have a rasigar mandram show for all his movies in Madras and throughout TN. The last movie that had a mandram show was 'Per Sollum Pillai' in Madras.
  
  Mandram show of Kakki Chattai was fantastic and needless to say there was tremendous galatta and fans were ecstatic to see Thalai dancing and looking very smart throughout the movie.
  
  Background on 'thagadu thagadu' dialogue - When Satyaraj uttered the dialogue the character 'Jana' was not paying attention so Satyaraj ended up repeating it twice. Thalai noticed it immediately and encouraged Satyaraj to repeat the style through out the movie.
  
  Thalaivar always had deep respect for MGR and they formed a mutual admiration society that was very well known. In fact MGR tried to rope Thalai into AIADMK for a long time but Thalai did not give in to MGR's wishes.
  
  If you watch Thalai's movie 'Mangala Vaadhyam' he will be featured in a song that goes like this - 'Vandina vandithaan idhu Vaadhyaaru (MGR) vandithaan, edhu vandaalum idhu mundhi pogum thanga thambi vandi thaan'. Thalai will show the 2 leaves symbol in that song. That I believe was the height of when MGR wanted Thalai to join AIADMK.
  
  If you watch Thalai's movie 'Sattam En Kayil' you can see in the song 'Kadai Thengayo Vazhi Pillaiyaaro', thalai will stand in front of a photo of Karunanidhi. That movie was produced by Rama Aranganal who was a known DMK sympathiser.
  
  Of course, Thalai paid homage to MGR in his own production 'Sathya'.
  
  -deleted-
  
  cheers
  kannan
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun Mar 16 19:31:02 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1tBFm5nqg
  
  பிறவி பயனை அடைக !!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 17 3:18:04 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1tBFm5nqg பிறவி பயனை அடைக !!

  Ammaavanaan kaalathottu kumbidanum doi..........
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Mar 17 3:42:54 2008.

  nandri Dragun/Karthi,
  
  Not a bad song at all
  Wonder how much Thalaivar had shot before he decided to rewrite/recast....
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 17 3:45:11 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1tBFm5nqg பிறவி பயனை அடைக !! Ammaavanaan kaalathottu kumbidanum doi..........

  
  
  This song replaced by Raaja Kaiyavacha or Annatha aadurar?
  
  Btw,Ghandimathi replaced by manorama?
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Mar 17 4:33:28 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  nandri Dragun/Karthi, Not a bad song at all Wonder how much Thalaivar had shot before he decided to rewrite/recast....

  
  There's an interview of Raaja in which he mentioned how Singeetham and Kamal had shot 35000 feet of film and came back to show it to Panchu Arunachalam. The latter apparently had asked them to keep back only 15000 of it and simply trashed the remaining 20000 feet, as he found it was too violent; and asked them to re-shoot it all. Of course, one might very well wonder how much of a role Panchu Arunachalam (who wrote the story) would have had in the making of the film. My reasonable guess is that even Kamal and Singeetham must have have had been underwhelmed at how the film had shaped out, and re-wrote and re-shot the majority of the film all over again.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Mar 17 4:59:20 2008.

  Hmm.. Actually, I remember reading a different version in one of Kamal's interviews. Apparently, he had shot (directed) half the movie before showing it to Singeetham. Singeetham was not impressed and promptly took over the reins, asking that the whole story be rewritten. I still remember Kamal's words, 'Andha padatha vera oruthar thayaarichirundha naanum avarum janma virodhigalaagiyiruppom'
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Mar 17 5:04:23 2008.

  Thanks for the info Eq/Kannannn.
  
  This must have been the point when Thalaivar admitted that he just ran into a mental block during the making of the film and for some time he just didn't know what to do next (he referred to Chaplin running into a similar 'block' - forgot in which film)...
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Mar 17 5:06:02 2008.

  BTW, the song and other deleted scenes were shown from the 100th day onwards in theaters. I think that was the first of its kind (atleast in India). Only strengthens the case for releasing Rajkamal movies on DVD with special features :smacking lips:
  
  CR, that was Gold Rush (shoe-eating scene).
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Mar 17 5:23:12 2008.

  kannannn wrote:

  Hmm.. Actually, I remember reading a different version in one of Kamal's interviews. Apparently, he had shot (directed) half the movie before showing it to Singeetham. Singeetham was not impressed and promptly took over the reins, asking that the whole story be rewritten. I still remember Kamal's words, 'Andha padatha vera oruthar thayaarichirundha naanum avarum janma virodhigalaagiyiruppom'

  
  Exactly! I also remember Kamal saying that in some interview of his about the film, and also talk about how Singeetham came to his rescue. (One of those interviews in which he insists on his being only a good student of cinema who has made many 'asattuththanamAna' stuff.)
  What I had quoted was from some Raaja interview many years after the film (during Thiruvasagam time?). So, I don't think we should take it as such. (However, the recollection about how the parts that were too violent were trashed is worth considering.) I'm sure both Singeetham and Kamal must have had felt not so enthused about the originally shot portions with the old story.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 17 5:38:44 2008.

  joe wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: Devar Magan wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1tBFm5nqg பிறவி பயனை அடைக !! Ammaavanaan kaalathottu kumbidanum doi.......... This song replaced by Raaja Kaiyavacha or Annatha aadurar? Btw,Ghandimathi replaced by manorama?

  Raaja kaiyya vechaa..
  
  
  btw, there is a strong resemblance to Annaathey aaduraar, in the way the song is picturised..
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 17 5:40:18 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: nandri Dragun/Karthi, Not a bad song at all Wonder how much Thalaivar had shot before he decided to rewrite/recast.... There's an interview of Raaja in which he mentioned how Singeetham and Kamal had shot 35000 feet of film and came back to show it to Panchu Arunachalam. The latter apparently had asked them to keep back only 15000 of it and simply trashed the remaining 20000 feet, as he found it was too violent; and asked them to re-shoot it all. Of course, one might very well wonder how much of a role Panchu Arunachalam (who wrote the story) would have had in the making of the film. My reasonable guess is that even Kamal and Singeetham must have have had been underwhelmed at how the film had shaped out, and re-wrote and re-shot the majority of the film all over again.

  If kamal directs a movie, then graphic violence is inevitable.. but when Kamal co-directs a movie, we can see that the violence is toned down to a great extent..
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Mar 17 5:46:58 2008.

  veRRi. (After more than an hour of immense Google-search of different combinations of the names involved, all in vain; in a stroke of genius, one simply searched for the word "Singeethamum", since one remembered Raaja's comment was about what "Kamalum, Singeethamum" did. ) And, yes, 15000 'nu sonnadha azhichchuttu, 5000 'nu ezhudhidunga.
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Mar 17 5:53:50 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  However, the recollection about how the parts that were too violent were trashed is worth considering.

  
  I agree. Even the watered down version was pretty violent, IMO
  

  Devar Magan wrote:

  If kamal directs a movie, then graphic violence is inevitable.. but when Kamal co-directs a movie, we can see that the violence is toned down to a great extent..

  
  On the one hand there is Devar Magan and Aboorva Sagotharargal with murders galore, and on the other hand there is MMKR, where with even all the villains and henchmen, no one actually dies or even suffers serious injuries.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Mar 17 5:57:13 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  (After more than an hour of immense Google-search of different combinations of the names involved, all in vain; in a stroke of genius, one simply searched for the word "Singeethamum", since one remembered Raaja's comment was about what "Kamalum, Singeethamum" did. )

  
  appo cooltoad-la search panradhe ungalukku jujubi nu sollunga!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Mar 17 5:59:36 2008.

  kannannn wrote:

  equanimus wrote: However, the recollection about how the parts that were too violent were trashed is worth considering. I agree. Even the watered down version was pretty violent, IMO

  
  One of the bests parts of what is my most favorite film ever. And for all Raaja says about "vettu kuthu" his score lifts the scenes many notches. He sure seems to be roused in those scenes !
  
  Marmayogi la violence thookkal nu pesikkarainga
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Mar 17 6:01:46 2008.

  kannannn wrote:

  equanimus wrote: However, the recollection about how the parts that were too violent were trashed is worth considering. I agree. Even the watered down version was pretty violent, IMO Devar Magan wrote: If kamal directs a movie, then graphic violence is inevitable.. but when Kamal co-directs a movie, we can see that the violence is toned down to a great extent.. On the one hand there is Devar Magan and Aboorva Sagotharargal with murders galore, and on the other hand there is MMKR, where with even all the villains and henchmen, no one actually dies or even suffers serious injuries.

  
  It sure is. And, that's precisely why I find the comment intriguing, on the lines of what it could have been or what it would have been. In my estimation, it's our man's 'Kill Bill' -- a multi-layered meditation on the great Indian genre of revenge sagas. And, he made it when Tarantino was still struggling to sell his first script!
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Mar 17 6:01:53 2008.

  endha padathai patri pesugireergal... youtube parkkama enakku onnum puriyalai
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Mar 17 6:03:27 2008.

  Aboorva Sagodharargal
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 17 6:03:42 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  veRRi. (After more than an hour of immense Google-search of different combinations of the names involved, all in vain; in a stroke of genius, one simply searched for the word "Singeethamum", since one remembered Raaja's comment was about what "Kamalum, Singeethamum" did. ) And, yes, 15000 'nu sonnadha azhichchuttu, 5000 'nu ezhudhidunga.

  
  
  great article..
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Mar 17 6:04:51 2008.

  oh!!!!
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 17 6:06:51 2008.

  kannannn wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: If kamal directs a movie, then graphic violence is inevitable.. but when Kamal co-directs a movie, we can see that the violence is toned down to a great extent.. On the one hand there is Devar Magan and Aboorva Sagotharargal with murders galore, and on the other hand there is MMKR, where with even all the villains and henchmen, no one actually dies or even suffers serious injuries.

  DM and AS were "co-directed" by kamal.
  
  I mean to say that Virumandi and Heyram are more violent than DM and AS.. had, kamal "co-directed" these two movies with any other director, then i am sure that the violence wud have been toned down..
  
  

• From: leosimha on Mon Mar 17 6:10:42 2008.

  I am wondering what will Dasavatharam have in store for us? It will be a mixture of everything. At first I thought it is going to be out and out comedy movie but after seeing some of the stills, I guess it is going to be a mixture...
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Mar 17 6:13:20 2008.

  Many thanks for the cool article equanimus. You made my day!!
  
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Marmayogi la violence thookkal nu pesikkarainga

  
  :again_smacking_lips_in_anticipation:
  
  

  Devar Magan wrote:

  DM and AS were "co-directed" by kamal. I mean to say that Virumandi and Heyram are more violent than DM and AS.. had, kamal "co-directed" these two movies with any other director, then i am sure that the violence wud have been toned down..

  
  DM, my Bad. I guess I didn't put it right. I was just wondering aloud as to how MMKR would have turned out if Kamal had directed it.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 17 6:23:14 2008.

  kannannn wrote:

  Many thanks for the cool article equanimus. You made my day!! crajkumar_be wrote: Marmayogi la violence thookkal nu pesikkarainga :again_smacking_lips_in_anticipation: Devar Magan wrote: DM and AS were "co-directed" by kamal. I mean to say that Virumandi and Heyram are more violent than DM and AS.. had, kamal "co-directed" these two movies with any other director, then i am sure that the violence wud have been toned down.. DM, my Bad. I guess I didn't put it right. I was just wondering aloud as to how MMKR would have turned out if Kamal had directed it.

  
  
  MMKR is another movie which kamal co-directed..
  
  i feel that Kamal is not good at directing comedies..
  
  i didnt like the way kamal directed chachi-420.. many scenes were dull.. the liveliness of avvai was missing..
  
  i also feel that Singeetham was oramkattified in the making of MX..
  
  the way MX was directed, is very similar to the Chachi420 style..
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Mon Mar 17 6:36:08 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  veRRi. (After more than an hour of immense Google-search of different combinations of the names involved, all in vain; in a stroke of genius, one simply searched for the word "Singeethamum", since one remembered Raaja's comment was about what "Kamalum, Singeethamum" did. ) And, yes, 15000 'nu sonnadha azhichchuttu, 5000 'nu ezhudhidunga.

  
  Thanks a lot equanimus. It was a good read
  
  Are there any directors who do a decent job of picturisation?
  
  IlayaRaja : "Bharathiraja nalla picturise pannuvan. Vamsy (Telugu) nalla pannuvaan."
  
  IR imbuttu appaaviyaa / nallavara
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Mar 17 6:53:05 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  equanimus wrote: veRRi. (After more than an hour of immense Google-search of different combinations of the names involved, all in vain; in a stroke of genius, one simply searched for the word "Singeethamum", since one remembered Raaja's comment was about what "Kamalum, Singeethamum" did. ) And, yes, 15000 'nu sonnadha azhichchuttu, 5000 'nu ezhudhidunga. Thanks a lot equanimus. It was a good read Are there any directors who do a decent job of picturisation? IlayaRaja : "Bharathiraja nalla picturise pannuvan. Vamsy (Telugu) nalla pannuvaan." Though Barathiraja's song picturisation is funny.... his picturisation of important sequences in the film is outstanding..... I really like the way Barathiraja & Baghyaraj visually say something in the film IR imbuttu appaaviyaa / nallavara

  
  

• From: selvakumar on Mon Mar 17 6:54:58 2008.

  Quote:

  Though Barathiraja's song picturisation is funny.... his picturisation of important sequences in the film is outstanding..... I really like the way Barathiraja & Baghyaraj visually say something in the film

  
  R_R, I wasn't commenting on the sequences. I found most of his song picturisations funny. The only exception that comes to my mind immediately is 'Mudhal Mariyaathai'. Sivaji padam kirathaala nalla pannittaaroe ennamoe
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Mar 17 6:55:11 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  selvakumar wrote: equanimus wrote: veRRi. (After more than an hour of immense Google-search of different combinations of the names involved, all in vain; in a stroke of genius, one simply searched for the word "Singeethamum", since one remembered Raaja's comment was about what "Kamalum, Singeethamum" did. ) And, yes, 15000 'nu sonnadha azhichchuttu, 5000 'nu ezhudhidunga. Thanks a lot equanimus. It was a good read Are there any directors who do a decent job of picturisation? IlayaRaja : "Bharathiraja nalla picturise pannuvan. Vamsy (Telugu) nalla pannuvaan." IR imbuttu appaaviyaa / nallavara

  
  
  Though Barathiraja's song picturisation is funny.... his picturisation of important sequences in the film is outstanding..... I really like the way Barathiraja & Baghyaraj visually say something in the film
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Mar 17 6:57:44 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Quote: Though Barathiraja's song picturisation is funny.... his picturisation of important sequences in the film is outstanding..... I really like the way Barathiraja & Baghyaraj visually say something in the film R_R, I wasn't commenting on the sequences. I found most of his song picturisations funny. The only exception that comes to my mind immediately is 'Mudhal Mariyaathai'. Sivaji padam kirathaala nalla pannittaaroe ennamoe

  
  
  I was trying to say that, IR cud have said about the sequences (i haven't read that article given by equinamous)
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Mon Mar 17 7:00:23 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  I was trying to say that, IR cud have said about the sequences (i haven't read that article given by equinamous)

  
  The one that I posted was the only lines present in that article on picturisation. They must have asked about songs and IR must have referred to that only
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Mar 17 7:14:39 2008.

  Not responding to your rhetorical question, Kannannn, consider this to be apropos of nothing.
  
  MMKR's spirit evidently lies in the various genres of great Hollywood comedies (Screwball comedies, silent comedies, slapstick, Chaplin and so on) and the legacy of Indian-Shakespearean comedies (which is much rich by itself, as far as verbal humour goes) -- to both of which it pays double-homage, violence is of course impermissible. It all had to be "a long shot," so to say; and all has to be well to end so well.
  
  Anyway, I came about to write this post wondering on the lines of what at all MMKR "could have been," but isn't already. In general, I think the film is so jam-packed that there couldn't possibly be any scope for improvisation or "enhancing" anything in the film that a mortal can think of.
  
  The headlong assuredness with which the film cuts from one scene to another stands as recurrent testimony to this throughout the film. For example, the stage drama scene where Madan catches hold of Gangabai and Sakubai. This is a scene of stock comic potential that's bound to lure any lesser filmmaker for writing an elaborate scene, but our fellows know better. The moment the two ladies hit upon Bheem, there are more urgent things to do. So, we cut straight to the car with all the four in it.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Mar 17 10:40:49 2008.

  Am actually quite surprised by the mid-course change in the making of Aboorva SagOdarargaL. Inspector and Sammandham as not themselves is enough shock for me. How the hell ?? Anyway "no silly emotions !"
  

  equanimus wrote:

  In general, I think the film is so jam-packed that there couldn't possibly be any scope for improvisation or "enhancing" anything in the film that a mortal can think of.

  

  equanimus wrote:

  and the legacy of Indian-Shakespearean comedies

  appidinnA ?
  
  

• From: Thalafanz on Mon Mar 17 10:48:31 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  i feel that Kamal is not good at directing comedies.. i didnt like the way kamal directed chachi-420.. many scenes were dull.. the liveliness of avvai was missing..

  
  
  It could be bcoz we already watched avvai & familiar of most/all of the scenes. So, I think the suspense/thrill is missing there wen we watch chachi-420. Nevertheless, its a good direction IMO...
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Mar 17 11:48:01 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  equanimus wrote: and the legacy of Indian-Shakespearean comedies appidinnA ?

  
  Prabhu Ram,
  Pardon me, that was an overdrawn attempt (silly me) to bring out the Shakespearean comedic elements that pervaded most of our "double-action" comedies. Our filmmakers were the ones to gleefully infuse the "double-action" elements so tirelessly in their comedies. And, coming in that lineage, MMKR in many ways was like saying, "And now, you get 4!"
  
  Not to forget that the story at hand (written by Mr. Kader Kashmiri, whose canon consists of films like 'Hatya - The Murder' and 'Aman Ke Farishtey'!) was as stock as it gets, as far as Indian cinema is concerned.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Mar 17 11:56:11 2008.

  ithai ithai ithai than naan ethir paathein
  

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Marmayogi la violence thookkal nu pesikkarainga

  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Mar 17 12:29:01 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  And, coming in that lineage, MMKR in many ways was like saying, "And now, you get 4!"

  Much more. Remember: "pathinanjAvadhu maangaa boss !"
  

  equanimus wrote:

  Not to forget that the story at hand (written by Mr. Kader Kashmiri, whose canon consists of films like 'Hatya - The Murder' and 'Aman Ke Farishtey'!) was as stock as it gets, as far as Indian cinema is concerned.

  Was always wondering who this fellow is. Pending additional evidence to the contrary I thought he was some undiscovered genius. Glad to know that I didnt miss much
  
  

• From: kannannn on Mon Mar 17 13:02:01 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  Not to forget that the story at hand (written by Mr. Kader Kashmiri, whose canon consists of films like 'Hatya - The Murder' and 'Aman Ke Farishtey'!) was as stock as it gets, as far as Indian cinema is concerned.

  
  And I was all the time thinking that it was a part of Kashmiri folklore.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Mar 17 14:18:45 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  equanimus wrote: And, coming in that lineage, MMKR in many ways was like saying, "And now, you get 4!" Much more. Remember: "pathinanjAvadhu maangaa boss !"

  
  
  "idhO Madan!"
  "Madan..."
  "nIngaLum madan'A?"
  "An han! Gangabai, Chakubai."
  
  The legacy of our own "double-action" comedies and the great Indian genre of "brothers separated at birth" are two of the important keys to access the twin-masterworks that 'abUrva sagOdharargaL' and MMKR are.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Mon Mar 17 14:49:45 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  ithai ithai ithai than naan ethir paathein crajkumar_be wrote: Marmayogi la violence thookkal nu pesikkarainga

  kamal has to do something about this.. violence romba irukka koodaathu.. family audience-kku nalla reach aagaathu.. ex: kuruthipunal and virumandi..
  
  male audience mattume paakura maathiri thaan edukkanumaa enna
  
  kamal thinks that to create a striking impact such violence is needed..
  
  after watching anjathey, i think otherwise.. Mysskin had done a marvellous job by creating such an impact without much violent/sexy scenes..
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Mar 17 14:54:00 2008.

  Highly disagree. Virumaandi and KP have to be shown in such a way. Antha (action) genre padangalai appadi than edukanum. Ellarthukkum A/B/C lady audience, family audiencennu paatha velaikagathu.
  
  Appdi panna arambicha Sirkkum any other tom dick and harry directorskkum enna vithyasam . Sir action padam edukkum murai than best
  

  Devar Magan wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: ithai ithai ithai than naan ethir paathein crajkumar_be wrote: Marmayogi la violence thookkal nu pesikkarainga kamal has to do something about this.. violence romba irukka koodaathu.. family audience-kku nalla reach aagaathu.. ex: kuruthipunal and virumandi.. male audience mattume paakura maathiri thaan edukkanumaa enna kamal thinks that to create a striking impact such violence is needed.. after watching anjathey, i think otherwise.. Mysskin had done a marvellous job by creating such an impact without much violent/sexy scenes..

  
  

• From: directhit on Mon Mar 17 23:49:47 2008.

  second that - namma oorla movies a genre wise paakama ellam kalandha aviyal edhirpaakaradhu dhaan
  
  

• From: directhit on Tue Mar 18 0:21:41 2008.

  not sure if this is posted before - Deleted song from Aboorva sagotharargal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1tBFm5nqg (from LG's site) - veetula poi thaan paakanum
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Tue Mar 18 2:51:37 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  after watching anjathey, i think otherwise.. Mysskin had done a marvellous job by creating such an impact without much violent/sexy scenes..

  
  Moved to Anjaathey thread
  http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1322660#1322660
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Mar 23 4:27:19 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv4SgDQ-z1E
  Aandavar in all His Majesty and Divinity. Iraivanai sevippom
  
  I'm looking for "Isayil Thodangudhamma" yeeteep link... engayume kedaikkale.
  One of the best songs ever composed and one of the best few minutes ever shot in cinema history...
  
  

• From: Billgates on Sun Mar 23 10:51:45 2008.

  Thank you CKRBE .
  
  His sanskrit pronunciation looks very perfect !
  
  

• From: RR on Mon Mar 24 23:20:34 2008.

  Manisekaran on Kamal
  
  http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1330230#1330230
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Mar 24 23:48:46 2008.

  Mr.Manisekaran narrates how Nammavar was selected in Kalathoor Kannama and about the song 'Ammavum Neeye'
  
  http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1330230#1330230
  
  Don't miss it
  
  

• From: kb on Thu Mar 27 2:21:59 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3BKgDrdW0
  
  
  
  
  
  first time I am feeling sorry for what I spoke about kamal in the past ....
  sila peru vijay-ya nakkal panraagannu.. naan kamal-a izhuthaen..
  I have no rights to talk and i will not talk abt andavar's personal life.. hereafter
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Thu Mar 27 5:21:48 2008.

  kb wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3BKgDrdW0 first time I am feeling sorry for what I spoke about kamal in the past .... sila peru vijay-ya nakkal panraagannu.. naan kamal-a izhuthaen.. I have no rights to talk and i will not talk abt andavar's personal life.. hereafter

  inime , naanum nallavan aayidanum pola irukke paa
  
  

• From: cancer on Thu Mar 27 5:33:32 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  kb wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3BKgDrdW0 first time I am feeling sorry for what I spoke about kamal in the past .... sila peru vijay-ya nakkal panraagannu.. naan kamal-a izhuthaen.. I have no rights to talk and i will not talk abt andavar's personal life.. hereafter inime , naanum nallavan aayidanum pola irukke paa

  
  
  appa ithu varaikkum nallavan illainnu neeye othukkura
  
  BTW, antha link la enna video? Kb intha alavukku manam maarinathukku
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Thu Mar 27 5:37:22 2008.

  cancer wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: kb wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3BKgDrdW0 first time I am feeling sorry for what I spoke about kamal in the past .... sila peru vijay-ya nakkal panraagannu.. naan kamal-a izhuthaen.. I have no rights to talk and i will not talk abt andavar's personal life.. hereafter inime , naanum nallavan aayidanum pola irukke paa appa ithu varaikkum nallavan illainnu neeye othukkura BTW, antha link la enna video? Kb intha alavukku manam maarinathukku

  chumma vilayaattuku sonnen
  
  thats the gemini-tv interview, hosted by ramya krishnan..
  
  

• From: cancer on Thu Mar 27 5:42:42 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  thats the gemini-tv interview, hosted by ramya krishnan..

  
  
  oh, appdi enna sollittar athula, detail aa illattalum surukkama nachunnu naalu vaarthaila yaaravthu sollunga
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Thu Mar 27 5:52:20 2008.

  cancer wrote:

  Devar Magan wrote: thats the gemini-tv interview, hosted by ramya krishnan.. oh, appdi enna sollittar athula, detail aa illattalum surukkama nachunnu naalu vaarthaila yaaravthu sollunga

  he talks abt how he got united with gauthami....
  
  touching ...
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Mar 27 6:06:43 2008.

  Cancer,
  That was a terrific interview. adha explain panni sonna velaikkavadhu, paakkanum.
  And the Malayalam interview he gave to Manorama TV was equally good, if not better. rendu interview-ume miss panna koodadhu. He saves his best for non-Tamil media.
  
  

• From: cancer on Thu Mar 27 6:10:05 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Cancer, That was a terrific interview. adha explain panni sonna velaikkavadhu, paakkanum. And the Malayalam interview he gave to Manorama TV was equally good, if not better. rendu interview-ume miss panna koodadhu. He saves his best for non-Tamil media.

  
  
  ethavthu D/l link iruntha kodunga, other than Youtube
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Mar 27 6:19:37 2008.

  d/l link edhuvum illiye Siva...
  
  Manorama intree
  
  

• From: cancer on Thu Mar 27 6:34:21 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  d/l link edhuvum illiye Siva... Manorama intree

  
  
  
  
  Downloading the videos. Kamalahasar ithare nannayittu malayalaam samsaarikuvo coooool
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Mar 27 11:50:03 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  d/l link edhuvum illiye Siva... Manorama intree

  
  
  Nammavar never tired of talking on NT .
  
  "we had woder ful actor in tamil nadu..Sivaji Sir ..Aa valliya oru aanaikku thinnam onnum kittatha pacham thannee ..thamizha oru pazhamozhi undu ..aana pasikku chozha pori "
  
  kamal..nee vazhga!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Mar 27 13:55:16 2008.

  Mannippu kekka therinjavan peria manushan
  

  kb wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3BKgDrdW0 first time I am feeling sorry for what I spoke about kamal in the past .... sila peru vijay-ya nakkal panraagannu.. naan kamal-a izhuthaen.. I have no rights to talk and i will not talk abt andavar's personal life.. hereafter

  
  

• From: Nerd on Thu Mar 27 21:43:34 2008.

  kb wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3BKgDrdW0

  
  Gautami enna solraanga-nu piriyala.. Something in the lines of.. Kamal is my life, if I am alive this moment, its only because of kamal? Feddy translation plzz..
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Mar 31 18:41:10 2008.

  Viru-maandi climaxxx
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOFxqHkt0QA&feature=related
  
  I don't understand whats wrong with the climax as many kamal fans complain
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Wed Apr 2 11:53:21 2008.

  Can you guys get me the audio link for thalaivar's version..
  
  

• From: VENKIRAJA on Wed Apr 2 11:58:08 2008.

  Thalaivar's version?
  I've heard only one version........IR starts and KH takes it through!No idea what,but bout posting before this thread's locked!
  
  ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS SONG!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Apr 2 12:03:27 2008.

  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.4976/
  
  This may help you
  
  

• From: Achilles on Wed Apr 2 12:04:30 2008.

  VENKIRAJA wrote:

  Thalaivar's version? I've heard only one version........IR starts and KH takes it through!No idea what,but bout posting before this thread's locked! ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS SONG!

  
  
  Ya..Mee too got the same song...
  
  Excellent song....
  
  

• From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Apr 2 12:06:49 2008.

  Not sure abt the Audio, but videos here...
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy-DZpEEOg4
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDn7JCYwag&feature=related
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL6hQiZHLnY&feature=related
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FBHQRA7DnE&feature=related
  
  
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Wed Apr 2 12:09:46 2008.

  Sorry Mods..
  
  Actually, I was about to post that in thalaivar's third thread(scenes)..but somehow ended up posting in a separate thread..
  
  
  

  m_23_bayarea wrote:

  Not sure abt the Audio, but videos here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy-DZpEEOg4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDn7JCYwag&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL6hQiZHLnY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FBHQRA7DnE&feature=related

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Apr 2 15:26:12 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab4EMG068h4&feature=related
  
  Mahanadhi - Jail scenes!!
  
  Acting PERSONIFIED. The way he advices his children, his care for the family and his expressions while he comes to know that his daughter has come of age
  
  There is / was / there will be one and only evergreen acting genius and that is Kamal haasan. I just dont want to buy any opposite arguments i am convinced enough
  
  

• From: bingleguy on Wed Apr 2 16:58:34 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Viru-maandi climaxxx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOFxqHkt0QA&feature=related I don't understand whats wrong with the climax as many kamal fans complain

  
  
  wats wrong on ths ???
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sun Apr 6 5:25:38 2008.

  http://www.newindpress.com/sunday/sundayitems.asp?id=SEF20080405104755&eTitle=Cinema&rLink=0
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Sat Apr 12 12:41:32 2008.

  I was watching some scenes from Anbe Sivam.
  
  Madhavan drinks with Yugi in the train and donates blood to that boy the very next morning! If you have boozed you are not supposed to donate blood before 24hrs! Oru vela adhunaala thaan andha payyan sethu poitaano?!
  
  

• From: Nerd on Sat Apr 12 12:50:57 2008.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  I was watching some scenes from Anbe Sivam. Madhavan drinks with Yugi in the train and donates blood to that boy the very next morning! If you have boozed you are not supposed to donate blood before 24hrs! Oru vela adhunaala thaan andha payyan sethu poitaano?!

  
  aahaa epdi epdi ungaLaala mattum
  
  

• From: Sanguine Sridhar on Sat Apr 12 12:54:56 2008.

  You know! Nethu night oru party attend pannittu anbe sivam konjam paathuttu, night nalla thoongiten. Early morning 6 mani irrukkum, paadhi thookathula idhu gyabhagam vandhathu
  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on Sat Apr 12 14:42:27 2008.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  You know! Nethu night oru party attend pannittu anbe sivam konjam paathuttu, night nalla thoongiten. Early morning 6 mani irrukkum, paadhi thookathula idhu gyabhagam vandhathu

  
  
  genius genius
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Sun Apr 13 23:31:10 2008.

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote:

  You know! Nethu night oru party attend pannittu anbe sivam konjam paathuttu, night nalla thoongiten. Early morning 6 mani irrukkum, paadhi thookathula idhu gyabhagam vandhathu

  
  
  
  Kudikaaran Paechu Vidinja piragu thaan start aachu
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Apr 13 23:39:35 2008.

  
  

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Sanguine Sridhar wrote: You know! Nethu night oru party attend pannittu anbe sivam konjam paathuttu, night nalla thoongiten. Early morning 6 mani irrukkum, paadhi thookathula idhu gyabhagam vandhathu Kudikaaran Paechu Vidinja piragu thaan start aachu

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Apr 20 16:29:25 2008.

  Virumandi - Jallikattu scene - Kamal's intro
  
  
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu May 1 13:34:40 2008.

  http://entertainment.in.msn.com/southcinema/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1366172
  
  so many lies in this article
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Sat May 3 17:58:27 2008.

  http://www.hindu.com/cp/2008/05/02/stories/2008050250080400.htm
  
  

  Quote:

  Why I like... Raja Paarvai Pravin Mani Music director The movie I love is Raja Paarvai, which had Kamal and Madhavi. It was directed by Singeetham Srinivasa Rao and the music is by Ilaiyaraja. First, that’s the movie that inspired me to become a musician. It was the turning point in my life. I love the songs by the maestro. They surely are a motivating factor for my choice. Second, I like the sensitive treatment given to the story. Needless to say, Kamal was absolutely brilliant in it. The script and screenplay was brilliant. I thought it was an amazing movie. Also, the fact that I got to work with the director in Little John, that movie has a special place in my heart.

  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon May 5 3:45:49 2008.

  Stellar Kamal thondu aatrum Orkut sagaakkal "?", "MK4" and "Daya"
  
  Pushpak - full movie
  part 1
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17vej7ALXgg
  
  part2
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoR2x6oi6Q&feature=related
  
  part3
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT7jufozf-g&feature=related
  
  part4
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmfX2pDFTXI&feature=related
  
  part5
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMxs-b9rMss&feature=related
  
  part6
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOb_A_J_Djc&feature=related
  
  part7
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpxXwhmewvc&feature=related
  
  part8
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PswQFAWJ-qI&feature=related
  
  part9
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DYg4R0aDJU&feature=related
  
  part10
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo37Dh3cW_g&feature=related
  
  part11
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Fju2sM8Vs&feature=related
  
  part12
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSRLaBPCJQ&feature=related
  
  part13
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSvtUxiEqF0&feature=related
  
  part14
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Q3EUr80XA&feature=related
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon May 5 3:47:04 2008.

  One of the very best. Aval Appadithaan
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPmiYeNhOcM
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXMqK2WKt0M
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RPSwVuBb7o
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69YP-guLD-E
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue May 6 23:13:53 2008.

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6slQHPMV0Uw
  
  Best ever emotional scene, IMHO
  
  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue May 6 23:17:44 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6slQHPMV0Uw Best ever emotional scene, IMHO

  
  From the best movie ever made for the pleasure of humankind, IMHO
  
  

• From: joe on Tue May 6 23:21:39 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6slQHPMV0Uw Best ever emotional scene, IMHO

  
  
  Mavane! What an actor
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri May 9 13:54:26 2008.

  Arulmigu Alwarpet Arnold doing one-handed pushups in Kaakki Sattai
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z36BwYYBUew
  
  

• From: kannannn on Fri May 9 14:50:24 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Arulmigu Alwarpet Arnold doing one-handed pushups in Kaakki Sattai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z36BwYYBUew

  
  Ah, the passage of years!! He does it with ease here, in Chanakyan, with a bit of struggle and in VV rombave kashtappattu (for the sheer effort at this age ).
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Fri May 9 21:22:12 2008.

  http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo.php?id=49532
  
  kamal on dev anand and a bit on raja..
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Fri May 9 21:24:17 2008.

  athu thaan raja..
  
  

• From: joe on Fri May 16 0:38:48 2008.

  தேவ மைந்தன் போகின்றான்
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZOknDIc6I
  
  Nammavar Kamal Hassan as Jesus Christ
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Fri May 16 8:40:17 2008.

  JOe: Thank you joe.. ethuvaraikum nan etha pathatheh illa.. ..btw. what is the movies name?
  
  

  joe wrote:

  தேவ மைந்தன் போகின்றான் http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZOknDIc6I Nammavar Kamal Hassan as Jesus Christ

  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Fri May 16 11:49:48 2008.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  JOe: Thank you joe.. ethuvaraikum nan etha pathatheh illa.. ..btw. what is the movies name? joe wrote: தேவ மைந்தன் போகின்றான் http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZOknDIc6I Nammavar Kamal Hassan as Jesus Christ

  
  The movie name is "Annai Velankanni" which came in the early-70's. The role of Jesus played by Aandavar was a cameo role, I believe.
  
  

• From: joe on Fri May 16 12:49:34 2008.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  Amarshiva wrote: JOe: Thank you joe.. ethuvaraikum nan etha pathatheh illa.. ..btw. what is the movies name? joe wrote: தேவ மைந்தன் போகின்றான் http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZOknDIc6I Nammavar Kamal Hassan as Jesus Christ The movie name is "Annai Velankanni" which came in the early-70's. The role of Jesus played by Aandavar was a cameo role, I believe.

  
  
  Yes ! It is not a movie about Jesus ,but Mother Velankanni and in this song only they potray Jesus ..kamal worked as a Asst coreographer as well in this movie.
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun May 18 17:36:36 2008.

  awesome interview
  
  http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=53690&tid=5201713335505748026&na=4
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun May 18 17:41:41 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAWtzw7c7jU
  
  
  
  

• From: vasanth2006 on Sun May 18 23:58:49 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6slQHPMV0Uw Best ever emotional scene, IMHO

  
  
  Ithu Acting!!!
  
  

• From: Cinefan on Mon May 19 3:36:29 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  awesome interview http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=53690&tid=5201713335505748026&na=4

  
  
  Old one or New?
  
  I Am not in Orkut,can you 'cut/paste'that please?
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon May 19 4:37:55 2008.

  joe wrote:

  Movie Cop wrote: Amarshiva wrote: JOe: Thank you joe.. ethuvaraikum nan etha pathatheh illa.. ..btw. what is the movies name? joe wrote: தேவ மைந்தன் போகின்றான் http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZOknDIc6I Nammavar Kamal Hassan as Jesus Christ The movie name is "Annai Velankanni" which came in the early-70's. The role of Jesus played by Aandavar was a cameo role, I believe. Yes ! It is not a movie about Jesus ,but Mother Velankanni and in this song only they potray Jesus ..kamal worked as a Asst coreographer as well in this movie.

  
  
  as an assistant director too.. because the director was dance master Thangappan
  
  

• From: joe on Mon May 19 4:40:59 2008.

  raaja_rasigan wrote:

  joe wrote: Movie Cop wrote: Amarshiva wrote: JOe: Thank you joe.. ethuvaraikum nan etha pathatheh illa.. ..btw. what is the movies name? joe wrote: தேவ மைந்தன் போகின்றான் http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZOknDIc6I Nammavar Kamal Hassan as Jesus Christ The movie name is "Annai Velankanni" which came in the early-70's. The role of Jesus played by Aandavar was a cameo role, I believe. Yes ! It is not a movie about Jesus ,but Mother Velankanni and in this song only they potray Jesus ..kamal worked as a Asst coreographer as well in this movie. as an assistant director too.. because the director was dance master Thangappan

  
  It is news to me that Dance master thanggappan directed this movie. did he direct any other movie?
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon May 19 4:47:57 2008.

  joe wrote:

  raaja_rasigan wrote: joe wrote: Movie Cop wrote: Amarshiva wrote: JOe: Thank you joe.. ethuvaraikum nan etha pathatheh illa.. ..btw. what is the movies name? joe wrote: தேவ மைந்தன் போகின்றான் http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZOknDIc6I Nammavar Kamal Hassan as Jesus Christ The movie name is "Annai Velankanni" which came in the early-70's. The role of Jesus played by Aandavar was a cameo role, I believe. Yes ! It is not a movie about Jesus ,but Mother Velankanni and in this song only they potray Jesus ..kamal worked as a Asst coreographer as well in this movie. as an assistant director too.. because the director was dance master Thangappan It is news to me that Dance master thanggappan directed this movie. did he direct any other movie?

  
  
  no idea about other movies..
  
  even i have seen the title card for this movie (or some other devotional movie.. kamal asst to Thangappan in direction)
  
  also a couple of days back, I read about this in Dailythanthi column about RC Sakthi's young days in film industry
  
  

• From: raaja_rasigan on Mon May 19 13:04:26 2008.

  joe wrote:

  raaja_rasigan wrote: as an assistant director too.. because the director was dance master Thangappan It is news to me that Dance master thanggappan directed this movie. did he direct any other movie?

  
  
  Joe.... u can verify here:
  
  http://www.igcinema.com/movie/11298
  
  Kamal is an assistant director in Annai Velankanni
  
  k Thangappan : screenplay, Choreography, Direction & Production
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Tue May 20 6:28:41 2008.

  a superb program in ETV
  
  http://tollywoodfilmworld.blogspot.com/2008/05/interview-with-kamal-hasan.html
  
  

• From: Devar Magan on Sun May 25 23:11:42 2008.

  thina thanthi starts writing the history of seermigu singaaravelar..
  
  
  http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1986/64963008jr5.jpg
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed May 28 18:47:32 2008.

  Devar Magan wrote:

  thina thanthi starts writing the history of seermigu singaaravelar.. http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1986/64963008jr5.jpg

  
  Thanks for the Aandavar's life history link, DM!
  The year was 1960. There was this kid that was just freakin' 6 years old making debut in Kalathoor Kannamma! That kid was a born genius/prodigy, I say!
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed May 28 23:37:41 2008.

  sakthivEl-pazhani couple rocks:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAWtzw7c7jU&feature=related
  
  marriage counselling by the duo:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bN04Vp-3Qg
  
  and THE duet
  En maama paatta neruththiputtEngO, unga sangeethathula thoppakadeernu gudhichu neechal adikkalamnu OdOdi vandha enna Emaaththidaathenga maama, paadungO maamaa paadungO
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mchmr9jVCAQ&feature=related
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Jun 1 0:14:57 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlIZzomcY7c
  
  Kamal is freakking funny
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Sat Jun 7 14:15:36 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXEt7d1rtHw&feature=related
  
  A scene from Aalavandhan where Aandavar kills Manisha... Superb piece of acting from the master!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sat Jun 7 14:40:50 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5XnzEigMjc
  
  what movie is this?
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Sat Jun 7 15:51:30 2008.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5XnzEigMjc what movie is this?

  
  Ek Duje Ke Liye
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Jun 11 17:25:42 2008.

  Thenali - First encounter between Aandavar & Jayaram.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXrr2tvFFfg
  
  The description of "superb acting" is an understatement here. Enna oru spontaneity/continuity in expressions, voice/tone modulation etc. Acting-na idhu dhaan. A good film institute lesson for other actors.
  Chinna pasangala yaaru kitta...
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Jun 12 15:59:53 2008.

  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Entertainment/India_Buzz/An_avatar_in_his_own_right_/articleshow/3123525.cms
  
  An avatar in his own right
  13 Jun 2008, 0002 hrs IST, SRINIVASA RAMANUJAM TIMES NEWS NETWORK
  
  

  Quote:

  Two much-hyped films, Kamal’s Anbe Sivam that dwelt on the message that ‘Love is God’ and Rajini’s Baba that touched on the same subject were received very differently at the box office. This goes to show how one subject can be explored in very different ways by two different people. It's one thing to feel strongly on a subject and quite another as to how you put it forward. And, that's where Kamal Haasan leaves you dazed. Right from his youth, his uncanny ability to put forward messages strongly to the viewer has what cemented the actor-fan relationship. Take Virumaandi, for example. The Rashomon-like treatment for a local murder with a special emphasis on capital punishment won accolades from many a cinema buff. When Kamal started off on the 'beyond acting' trip, competition was less intense in an industry that consisted mainly of personalities masquerading as people doing things they weren't adept at. He was many notches above and proved himself on every occasion. If the young rebel he played in the Nayagan left a mark on many budding actors, the character that he convincingly carried off in Avvai Shanmuhi showcased his versatility. "The script of Avvai Shanmugi was almost finished during a three-hour car trip we took to Pondicherry," said Crazy Mohan in an interview recently, "The sheer ability of the man to think up an entire sequence of events in just three hours amazed me." Comedy has been his forte for long and thinking back, Michael Madana Kamarajan still astounds you for the sheer ingenuity of its characters. The latest comedy films such as Thenali, Panchathantiram and Pammal K Sammandam relied a lot on Crazy Mohan's witty dialogue and Kamal's ability to deliver them. The one film that didn't work out at the box office – Mumbai Express – was mainly because Kamal missed his favourite dialogue writer. Kamal's celebrated peer Rajnikanth decided to tread a different path and chalked out a separate path for himself. Content with catering to his superstar image, he has rightly succeeded in capturing the imagination of the masses. While Rajini's movies symbolise everything that we wish we were like, Kamal's films transport you to a realm of fantasy. Ninaithale Inikkum, indeed! Surely, Dasavatharam will emerge as a make-or-break film for the actor. His earlier films from the KS Ravikumar-Crazy Mohan camp have relied hugely on confusion and chaos among the characters and this film will again prove to be a testing ground for the entire team. This time around, the actor cannot afford to just concentrate on the technical aspects of the film alone and the box office results are bound to decide the career route he will take henceforth.Memories of Aalavandan's showing at the box office are sure to haunt him, even as he tries to juggle the commercial and creative aspects of filmmaking. At a time when the world gets ready to watch his 10 roles in Dasavatharam, one cannot but marvel at a man who has taken Tamil cinema to another level, a level untouched by filmmakers content with mere commercial koothu.

  
  

• From: joe on Thu Jun 12 22:07:35 2008.

  http://videospathy.blogspot.com/2008/06/10.html
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Jun 13 12:23:37 2008.

  Kamal 'Hassiyam'
  http://videospathy.blogspot.com/2008/06/10_13.html
  
  

• From: mohanraman on Fri Jun 20 9:20:56 2008.

  I had posted the link to a hitherto unheard speech by Sri Kamalhassan and Sri Sivaji Ganesan in a few other chains.
  Many of you seem to have enjoyed the speeches by kamal and nadigar thilakam Sivaji. Some have asked me as to what the information on early cinema referred to by both of them was.....In response I have posted the entire lecture on Early tamil Film Pioneers in youtube made by my seniors in the field of Tamil film history.
  The first speaker Sri Theodore Baskeran was The chief post master general of Tamil Nadu and a great film history buff.His book on Tamil Cinema is a swarna kamal award winner. The Eye of the serpent.His other books include The Message Bearers.His lecture was in Tamil.
  The second speaker is the inimitable Randor Guy, a film historian of repute and a film maker too.He was a practicing advocate till his passion for films became too much to handle.He has written several Books ( The classic is Starlight Starbright - now sadly out of print).A great speaker and a prolific writer.His speech is in 3 parts, thanks to youtube,s rules and this is in Tamil too. Apologies to those who do not know the Language
  
  I give below the links
  
  Theodore baskeran's speech - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1MoeXMooTw
  
  Randor Guy's - First part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEk1r02Y-hA
  second part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeWunUT3BJs
  third part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjffsTXSas
  
  Kamalhaasan's speech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9N3-4GTaM
  
  Sivaji's Speech - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUAmXbw0BRY
  
  PLEASE DO FEEL FREE TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH ALL FRIENDS AND LOVERS OF CINEMA
  
  

• From: Nasc on Tue Jul 8 15:41:10 2008.

  My Aandavar's fav
  
  
  Movie - Guna
  Song - Hey Hey unnai thaney (KAdhal Parisu)
  scene - Naasar Interrogation (Kuruthipunal )
  Song Play back singer - NinaivO oru Paravai( sigappu rojakkal)
  Character - Fletcher
  Dance - ah Rambambum Arambam(MMKR)
  Comedy - Panchathanthiram
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Jul 16 19:16:32 2008.

  Interesting video links to few of Aandavar's oldies:
  
  http://123indianonline.com/uncategorized/top-10-best-of-kamal-hassan-expressions/
  
  

• From: joe on Mon Jul 21 5:54:56 2008.

  குணா -இசைத் தொகுப்பு
  http://radiospathy.blogspot.com/2008/07/blog-post_8868.html
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Aug 5 0:00:52 2008.

  frm orkut - Kamal's english dialogs thread
  

  Quote:

  Sridevi: "This is another way of extracting more money. I know" Kamal: "What do you know mam. What the hell do you know. You think I am going to make a big fortune out of this trivial sum and build a multi storied complex in this great great Goddamn metropolis? Keep it. Keep it as my present. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yYmqSmL5A

  SUPERB!!!
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Tue Aug 5 0:50:31 2008.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  Sridevi: "This is another way of extracting more money. I know" Kamal: "What do you know mam. What the hell do you know. You think I am going to make a big fortune out of this trivial sum and build a multi storied complex in this great great Goddamn metropolis? Keep it. Keep it as my present. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yYmqSmL5A

  
  
  That was a pretty funny scene!
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Aug 7 13:50:25 2008.

  nEthu night nerayA saenal-la Thalaivar pAttA pOttu thAkkunAnga..
  
  Happened to watch/hear "Ammammamma vandhadhingu singa kutti" from pEr sollum piLLai
  
  - Aandavar's dance
  - Aandavar's singing (Esp the high pitch towards the end of the charanams)
  - Choreography -
  - Lyrics -
  
  This is a 3 charanam song. Another 3 charanam song of Aandavar's i remember is the masterpiece "vAnam kIzhE" (TTT)
  
  

• From: HBK on Fri Aug 8 4:28:48 2008.

  i like Salam Podu Guruve very much. Great song and great dance with shorts.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Aug 11 9:35:03 2008.

  http://www.thehindu.com/2008/08/10/stories/2008081054130500.htm
  
  

  Quote:

  VISAKHAPATNAM: The make-up for Kamal Hassan as a dwarf in ‘Apoorva Sahodarulu’ has floored the people and they have no clue as to how he could make it even several years after the film is released. But, the film’s director Singeetam Srinivasa Rao not only revealed the secret but also felt that an interactive session with members of a film society and others was the right venue and best occasion to do so. At the session organised by the Vizag Film Society, Mr. Srinivasa Rao said that the credit goes to Mr. Kamal Hassan, who worked very hard for the role, photography director P.C. Sriram and a set boy who is called by his nickname ‘Japan’. Special shoes The dwarf look, rather the limbs to be shown short, was done in different angles and innovative ideas had been adopted for each angle. A pair of special shoes was prepared to be attached to the folded knees of the actor and it was okay for the straight angle shots. The legs had been taken care of and the mannerism adopted by Mr. Kamal Hassan by holding his arms in a particular way jelled with his “dwarf” legs. For the side angle shots, a trench was dug up just to cover up the actor’s legs from the feet to knees, with special shoes attached at the knee level. Japan took all the care in ensuring the correct depth of the trench and level for the camera. Mr. Kamal Hassan practiced for 15 days to make sure that his walk in the trench really looked normal “at the ground level.” When the actor had to be static, a pit was dug instead of a trench and this also helped the director to go for crane shots. Tense moments But the tensest moments were experienced during the scene when the actor came face-to-face with a real tiger released from its cage. “It was totally a silent shot as we did not want to get the animal excited about the sounds. I was waving my commands and every one was quiet,” Mr. Srinivasa Rao said. Then it was decided that the dwarf role must be given more authenticity and an artificial leg was prepared with strings attached to it. This was used when the actor was sitting on a chair or dancing. An engineer Vasudevan prepared the leg and Mr. Srinivasa Rao’s nephew Poorna operated the strings. A few other techniques like mask technique were also used. An 18-inch high platform was created to shoot side angle shots at places where the earth could not be dug up.

  
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Mon Aug 11 9:40:54 2008.

  HBK wrote:

  i like Salam Podu Guruve very much. Great song and great dance with shorts.

  
  
  Salaam podu Guruve naa Saltukottai Siluvai!!! it used to be my fav during my school days!!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Aug 11 12:10:29 2008.

  Which movie is that??
  

  Kalyasi wrote:

  HBK wrote: i like Salam Podu Guruve very much. Great song and great dance with shorts. Salaam podu Guruve naa Saltukottai Siluvai!!! it used to be my fav during my school days!!

  
  

• From: HBK on Mon Aug 11 13:40:16 2008.

  Kadhal Parisu. Frankly never heard of the movie. But the song was reaLLy fuNNy where kamal dances in colorful mickie mouse trousers.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Aug 11 14:19:14 2008.

  2 nice songs from kalaignan
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRHZoS-GeCo
  Kokkarakko Kozhi from Kalaignan
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_DpuBiFT4
  Edakku Mudakkaana Sarakku - intro song - what a speed!! what a superb guitar! the rocking fast dance is evident inspite of the bade video quality
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Mon Aug 11 14:24:43 2008.

  Hello: Kadal parisu was a hit movie.. Original dances(amazing dances..nee yaa naana yarthan ingeh romba periyavan) what a song.. I think that was the last movie, andavar acted as college student.. Andavar with ambika radah...nice moive during those days..I also was in school.. until Guna.. I became a college guy when DM got released and i have seen it in FDFS in Tiruvottiyur manikam.....haaa.. what a days those were...
  
  

  HBK wrote:

  Kadhal Parisu. Frankly never heard of the movie. But the song was reaLLy fuNNy where kamal dances in colorful mickie mouse trousers.

  
  

• From: HBK on Mon Aug 11 14:30:01 2008.

  Amarshiva wrote:

  Hello: Kadal parisu was a hit movie.. Original dances(amazing dances..nee yaa naana yarthan ingeh romba periyavan) what a song.. I think that was the last movie, andavar acted as college student.. Andavar with ambika radah...nice moive during those days..I also was in school.. until Guna.. I became a college guy when DM got released and i have seen it in FDFS in Tiruvottiyur manikam.....haaa.. what a days those were... HBK wrote: Kadhal Parisu. Frankly never heard of the movie. But the song was reaLLy fuNNy where kamal dances in colorful mickie mouse trousers.

  
  
  i live outside of india and i'm 20 and i have never branded any third person as 'god'. How you expect me to know the movie. Anyway thanks for the info, and like i said earlier, the song was damn fun and i reaLLy enjoyed it.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Aug 11 14:53:12 2008.

  Sakala you made my day
  

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  2 nice songs from kalaignan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRHZoS-GeCo Kokkarakko Kozhi from Kalaignan

  
  

• From: Srimannarayanan on Sun Aug 17 6:57:02 2008.

  Hey ram!.
  
  
  I saw the movie 3rd time on Last friday. I didn't like the movie first 2 times. Infact i left theatre after the interval in the first time when it relased in 2000. Second time i watched this movie on 15th Aug 2001. I didn';t like the movie then.
  
  
  I hadn't been liking this movie till i saw this on last friday. I told the samething to Thiru and Kalyasi when we were watching Dasavatharam.
  
  
  Fantastic Movie - No words to describe
  
  

• From: Srimannarayanan on Sun Aug 17 6:58:10 2008.

  Prabhu Ram
  
  I would be very happy , if you could do the same writeup for Hey Ram as you did for Devar Magan.
  
  

• From: Srimannarayanan on Sun Aug 17 6:59:45 2008.

  When Vasundara asked Kamal whether they are going to Central and Egmore station.
  
  His answer is awesome.
  
  "Naan Ippa nalavadhu dhadavai sirichena Pakkalaya".
  
  

• From: NOV on Sun Aug 17 8:35:16 2008.

  Srimannarayanan wrote:

  I saw the movie 3rd time on Last friday. I didn't like the movie first 2 times. Infact i left theatre after the interval in the first time when it relased in 2000.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: sathyaram30 on Mon Aug 18 6:53:58 2008.

  This guy has done amazing work. I always thought Hey Ram was the best movie made by Kamal and may be the best ever made in India.....
  Pls. visit this link and read all 20 pages for what a great movie Hey Ram is
  
  http://theseventhart.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/hey-ram-an-analysis-part-120/
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Mon Aug 18 9:05:46 2008.

  why kalaingar tv always telecast kamal movies like kurudipunal,hey raam with mattamana prints
  
  hope they got the dvd rights
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Aug 24 3:40:00 2008.

  I would love to write something about KH movies. Let me try to start with Anbe sivam. The following is a result of some little serious thinking and a battle between me against my cousin/friends over the evening on defending kh in a small actor dispute matter
  
  Anbe sivam :
  
  My most watched KH Movie ever, well not for the acting but for the theme and the stunning on your face kind of stuff that is thrown out at you. The theme of the movie, is the much needed realization that is expected of today's mankind. Give the man an award immediately for pulling such a great script with an Universal theme, communist and capitalist ideologies, love, Labor union problems, stunning dialogs, Compassion towards human beings and atheism/theism. This dude is indeed a scriptwriting genius
  
  Kamal as Nalla sivam as a die hard communist is an absolute treat. With his limpwalk, soda butty glasses, witty humor(Thanks to Cartoonist Madan) and great presence of mind he is a show stealer. The dialogs are nothing short of greatness. The conversations(Arguments, more rightly) between Maddy and Kamal
  makes you realize what is life all about.
  
  Method acting Manna Vaazgha nee pallandu
  
  Maddy is the perfect foil for Communist Nalla. Watch him as the suave and sophisticated capitalist who has never faced any hardships in life. His attempts to outsmart/get rid of Kamal and getting defeated at the purpose is . The scene before the marriage is perfect example of two most matured actors performing one of their best scenes in thier life.
  
  Nasser: I always said/believed that Nasser's best performances are in Kamal Films. Be it a thevar magan or a Kuruthipuna or a Magalir mattum. His role as a pious thiest and a greedy corporate is what i would say one of the best illustrations of capitalist sharks. His beliefs are punctured heavily as Kamal the athiest gives him his boon. Nasser
  
  Vidyasagar: Compose of one of the finest songs in TFM ala Title song Anbe sivam . Other songs are perfect add-ins. BGM is just perfect.
  
  Sangu: As the culprit behind the accident, he is really the adopted son of Nallasivam. Please observe that he looks much healthier before the accident and he is limping (Just like Nalla??) after the accident. Even he is made to act in the final scenes. Man what else you need to watch this movie
  
  Sundar C : One can be never so sure at what Directors do in a Kamal haasan movie. Considering his earlier track record, I believe that the movie is entirely not his directiorial effort. But I must say his output is much evident in the humorous sections of the movie.
  
  Kiran: How hard I try I don't really have anything to say and the romance between her and Kamal wasn't that convincing is my only grouse with respect to the movie .
  
  அன்பே சிவம் - தமிழனின் பெருமை
  
  
  P.S: This is the most Populous Kamal movie community in Orkut!!!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Aug 24 8:35:45 2008.

  Nice post Feddy.
  Hope you will continue to write such posts about other works of Kamal too.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Aug 25 12:48:31 2008.

  http://theseventhart.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/hey-ram-an-analysis-part-120/
  
  Not sure if this has been posted here before....
  
  

• From: Roshan on Mon Aug 25 13:56:42 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Nice post Feddy. Hope you will continue to write such posts about other works of Kamal too.

  
  
  I second this
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Aug 25 14:13:50 2008.

  Roshan wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: Nice post Feddy. Hope you will continue to write such posts about other works of Kamal too. I second this

  
  Third
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Aug 25 14:36:36 2008.

  Thanks prabhu ram, roshan and bala.
  
  

• From: ramdas2005 on Tue Aug 26 16:07:17 2008.

  Raaja Paarvai Violin Bit: Reproduced From Orkut KH Community
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24zylAE-cM
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Sep 9 21:58:12 2008.

  http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2008/09/10/virumaandi-a-flashback/
  
  Virumaandi (Pothiraju in Telugu) is remembered as a successful movie that bridged art and commerce pretty well. Of course, that’s apart from the ‘Sandiyar’ name controversy. Here, we look at a few blasts from the past related to it.
  
  ChennaiOnline had a long article revealing several behind-the-scenes details including apects like the bull-fight (jallikkattu) scene, art direction, editing, stunts and editing. Have a patient read and get to know some of the information that you may not know.
  
  Kamal is always at the forefront of the movie medium and also possesses great foresight. Here’s an article where he talks about DVDs and distribution.
  
  Virumaandi famously won an award at the PiFan film festival in Korea. After that, he expressed his happiness to The Hindu. Kamal also talked about a retrospective at the Rotterdam Film Festival earlier.
  
  Here are some excerpts:
  
  “I see it as a kind of peer acceptance and that makes the award even more invaluable to me…”
  
  “The whole thing came as a surprise to me. I had gone to the fest as an invitee. `Virumaandi’ was not an entry at the competition level and I had no inkling of the honour. There I was seated in the audience, waiting to put my hands together for the winner when my name was announced. I was confused because I was not on the stage with the other nominees … caught unawares, I did not even have a prepared text to thank the jury for the recognition,” laughs Kamal.
  
  It (the citation) describes the film as one “that successfully manages to combine social and political drama, romance, humour, musical and spectacular action in one story of epic proportions…all the more impressive is the fact that it has been written, produced and directed by one man who also plays the lead role…”
  
  “…When others tell me that I would have won international acclaim if I had been in the West, I turn around and tell them, this is my place and I should win world renown from here … with my kind of cinema.” And Kamal Hassan is doing just that.
  
  The movie was also featured at the Indian Film Festival of Los Angeles. Take a look at the write-up!
  
  Ah, nostalgia! Time to check out the movie once more?
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Sep 10 12:03:49 2008.

  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India_Buzz/A_producers_delight/articleshow/3467611.cms
  
  Ask Sundar C what makes him a successful hero and he says that it is his experience coupled with intuition. “I think I know the pulse of the audience.
  
  I have worked in theatres, been into film distribution, directed movies and am also a producer. Though it is like searching in the dark, with all this experience, I have been able to gauge people’s feelings right,” he says.
  
  But as a director, he has given flops. Does that mean his experience and intuition have helped him only as an actor? “When you are a director, you are sometimes forced to do projects without complete conviction. Such projects have ended up disasters,” he explains. So, did he turn to acting because of these disasters? “Not exactly. Right from the start, I had offers to do roles in devotional movies. However, I never wanted to do that.”
  
  He has directed more than two dozen films including the Rajinikanth-starrer Arunachalam and Kamal Haasan’s Anbe Sivam. He recalls that Anbe Sivam was the turning point in his career and life. “It changed me personally and professionally. It made me confident and changed my outlook towards life. No wonder, people call Kamal a university. After working with him, I felt I should not do things that lack significance.”
  He adds with a chuckle that all movies are directors’ movies except Anbe Sivam.
  
  With a powerhouse of talent in acting as his wife — Kushboo, is the going easy? “Kushboo is my best critic. But she does not interfere in my acting or movie selection. If I am convinced of something I go ahead,” he says. Commenting on the selection of heroines, he says, “I think new heroines can add freshness to the movie. They are easy to handle, less costly and seldom create call sheet problems.”
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Sep 10 15:58:05 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  He has directed more than two dozen films including the Rajinikanth-starrer Arunachalam and Kamal Haasan’s Anbe Sivam. He recalls that Anbe Sivam was the turning point in his career and life. “It changed me personally and professionally. It made me confident and changed my outlook towards life. No wonder, people call Kamal a university. After working with him, I felt I should not do things that lack significance.”

  
  Now this is what I call "influence"!
  
  

• From: Dhanya on Thu Sep 11 3:17:48 2008.

  Anbe Sivam is not only my fav Kamal movie, I'd actually say its one of my most fav Thamizh movies. I've lost track as to how many times I've seen the movie. Kamal is awesomeness personified as Mr. Sivam. (I liked Mr. Sivam better than Nalla).
  
  God! The scene when Maddy asks abt his father as to wht he means when he says 'Poitaru" and Kamal replying "Thirumbi varala..apdi na poitaru nu dhaane artham!". He says it so beautifully. Though the way he says it is simple, one can sense the pain when he says it.
  
  And the other scene when he says "idhai yaen mudhal-aiye sollala" when maddy says "neenga enaku anna mathiri", is totally heart-wrenching!! I doubt whether any one could actually express pain and suffering the way Kamal does.
  
  And the scene where he hits maddy and says "Naan paarunga evlo nidhaanama porumaiya kova pattaen" was totally funny. Maddy deserved it!!
  
  The movie is such a gem. I still dun understand why it didnt become a hit. . There's not a single person I know who doesnt like the movie. Yet nobody bothered to go to the theatres to make the movie a commercial success!! Damn!
  
  PS: I know my quotes arent exact. I am sorry about that!
  
  

• From: hattori_hanzo on Fri Sep 12 5:37:43 2008.

  On Kamal's linguistic skills:
  
  sorry its from TOI again (thought 'd post it here as it has something good to say abt Kamal)
  
  From Dilip to Dimple, all speak Marathi well
  
  Fifteen years ago, Chennai-based actor Kamal Hasan stunned the audience attending the Maharashtra state awards function at Rang Bhavan in Bandra . "After a spate of speeches , the compere turned to Kamal Hasan, who was the chief guest of the function, and wondered if he had understood what the others had said in Marathi,'' says journalist Dilip Thakur, who has written several books on Hindi cinema. The actor walked to the mike and spoke in chaste Marathi. "He obviously got a huge round of applause from the audience,'' Thakur said.
  
  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 12 5:46:42 2008.

  Hattori,
  I remember reading a superb (as always) interview around 2003 (rediff?) where in his last answer, he talks about Marathi and Marathi identity in Mumbai(Bollywood)...
  He rues the fact that Marathi has lost its identity to BW and he also says that he would like to do a Marathi film in the future...
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Fri Sep 12 6:03:41 2008.

  I remember our Maddy once referring to how Marathi people will appreciate if the other state guy speaks Marathi. hmm... Great to hear this. Marathi padam ellam irukkutha enna
  
  

• From: joe on Fri Sep 12 6:08:21 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  I remember our Maddy once referring to how Marathi people will appreciate if the other state guy speaks Marathi. hmm... Great to hear this. Marathi padam ellam irukkutha enna

  
  
  //dig
  http://www.thinnai.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=20809112&format=html
  //dig
  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Fri Sep 12 6:11:20 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  I remember our Maddy once referring to how Marathi people will appreciate if the other state guy speaks Marathi. hmm... Great to hear this. Marathi padam ellam irukkutha enna

  
  
  Madhavan's Evano Oruvan was remade from the Marathi Version Dombivilli Fast which won the National award!!
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Fri Sep 12 6:15:03 2008.

  Joe (As usual )
  Kalyan - thanks.. maranthuttaen
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 12 6:20:06 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  I remember our Maddy once referring to how Marathi people will appreciate if the other state guy speaks Marathi. hmm... Great to hear this. Marathi padam ellam irukkutha enna

  
  
  Of course Selva.
  A few years ago, there a Marathi film - Shwaas- won the national award. About a young child who is losing his eyesight and his grandfather. Simple and beautiful film.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 12 6:26:54 2008.

  <Dig>
  Joe,
  That article reeks of gross generalization, stereotyping and inaccuracies... Agree with the identity issue though, obviously..
  </Dig>
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Sep 14 6:09:19 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  <Dig> Joe, That article reeks of gross generalization, stereotyping and inaccuracies... Agree with the identity issue though, obviously.. </Dig>

  
  
  Exactly.
  Extreme generalizations.
  Hilarious the way he excepts Bangalorean Tamils. Instead of drawing a parallel between them Mumbai UP-ites/Biharis, he does the opposite.
  
  Surely agree about the language issue though. Am all for the recent drive to compel all shops to display signs in Marathi. I was in Bombay - though in a campus insulated from the rest of the city - and regret not having picked up some basic Marathi. I don't know if I will get the chance to - ever again.
  
  Most actors don't bother picking up the regional accents in Tamil. appuram dhaanE language kaththukkuradhu
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Sep 24 10:38:52 2008.

  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=uur8DONz28Q
  
  
  Kakki Sattai - Kamal climbs a pipe at the count of 10!
  
  
  Watch out for this youtube owner for Kamal Videos. He is one of the most ardent fans out there.
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Thu Sep 25 2:51:59 2008.

  Saw Mahanadhi again last night. Was quite depressing to see. I felt quite difficult to handle the intensity. As a result, I was moving to other channels continuously. No explicit violence to induce shock. But each and every scene was Now, I think even HeyRam didn't shock me like this.
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Thu Sep 25 2:56:16 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Saw Mahanadhi again last night. Was quite depressing to see. I felt quite difficult to handle the intensity. As a result, I was moving to other channels continuously. No explicit violence to induce shock. But each and every scene was Now, I think even HeyRam didn't shock me like this.

  
  
  True! I stopped watching after 30 minutes. Pakkathula ponnu vaera vilayaadittu irunthaa. Ennamo therila, ithukku maela paaka vaenaamnu thoanichu
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Sep 25 2:58:06 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Saw Mahanadhi again last night. Was quite depressing to see. I felt quite difficult to handle the intensity. As a result, I was moving to other channels continuously. No explicit violence to induce shock. But each and every scene was Now, I think even HeyRam didn't shock me like this.

  
  
  Enna padampa Naan college padichittiruntha pothu vanthichu ...watched countless times
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Thu Sep 25 5:28:53 2008.

  In this great movie: There were lot of introductions:
  
  1. AVid CAmera
  2. Kamal Punch( Stunts)
  3. Mahanathi Shobana
  4. Chit Companies Fraud & closure. Kamal our Therkatharishi( After this only all the chit companies were continously closed.. from Sneham & all Benefit funds).. eppa..
  5. Songs...(if anyone has chance pls listen to bits pieces of songs) Amazing meaning they have..
  
  example: Anbana thayai vittu enge nee ponalum, neengamal unnai sutum ennangal ennalum" Wow.....
  
  What a class movie. Saw it in Anand & Maharani...
  
  

  joe wrote:

  selvakumar wrote: Saw Mahanadhi again last night. Was quite depressing to see. I felt quite difficult to handle the intensity. As a result, I was moving to other channels continuously. No explicit violence to induce shock. But each and every scene was Now, I think even HeyRam didn't shock me like this. Enna padampa Naan college padichittiruntha pothu vanthichu ...watched countless times

  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Sep 26 2:38:46 2008.

  selvakumar wrote:

  Saw Mahanadhi again last night. Was quite depressing to see. I felt quite difficult to handle the intensity. As a result, I was moving to other channels continuously. No explicit violence to induce shock. But each and every scene was Now, I think even HeyRam didn't shock me like this.

  
  
  In Orkut Aandavar community, there is a thread in which most of the sagas echo your thoughts:
  
  

  Diwakar wrote:

  i am there....i had change the channel for sometime to recover from it

  
  
  
  

  Toronto Karthick wrote:

  It is NOT AN EASY MOVIE TO WATCH. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TELL YOURSELF IT'S NOT REAL, AND TO BE HONEST I TRY TO AVOID THIS MOVIE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I CANNOT SEE THALAIVAR GO THROUGH SUCH TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS even if it's just in reel life everything is potrayed so realistically that I can't tell you how much I WEPT when I first saw this movie in the theater. AND SINCE THEN ONLY 4 TIMES I HAVE SEEN IT, one of the lowest amount of times I've seen a THALAIVAR MOVIE EVER. But can anyone really see this movie without being totally depressed and feeling like some sort of a big tragedy just took place in your own life? MASTER PIECE.... A GEM....EXTRAORDINARY HANDS DOWN THE BEST MOVIE OF OUR THALAIVAR AND THAT'S SAYING A LOT in my opinion. NEEDLESS TO SAY IT'S MY FAVORITE MOVIE OF AANDAVAR but because I CANNOT RETURN TO NORM after I WATCHING IT for a prolonged period I avoid it.

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on Fri Sep 26 2:44:07 2008.

  Me too had the same feeling!!
  
  

• From: complicateur on Fri Sep 26 13:12:21 2008.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLO_DXHDo0
  
  மேல் இணைத்துள்ள காட்சிகளில் 3:07 துடங்கி 3:18 வரை உள்ள காட்சியே (பஞ்சபகேசனும் கிச்சாவும் சமூகத்தை விமர்சிக்கும் அதே தருணத்தில் கூவத்தை கடப்பது சற்று coincidental-ஆக இருந்த போதிலும்) எத்தனை முறை பார்த்தாலும் என்னை யோசிக்க வைப்பது:
  1. நிழற்படத்தில் நிழலை நடிக்க வைத்திருப்பது சற்று குரும்புள்ள ஒரு meta-medium creation.
  2. பஞ்சாபகேசன் "சமுதாயங்க்றது.." என்று தொடங்கும்போதே அவர் கூறவிருக்கும் சில cliche'd observations என்னவாக இருக்கும் என்று புரிந்து கொண்டு அவர் முடிப்பதற்கு முன்பே தர்க்கத்தை தனக்கு சாதகமாக மாற்றுவது. இரு கொள்கைவாதிகள் வாதிடும்போது ஒருவர் தனது நம்பிக்கைகளின் ஆதாரத்தை சரியே புரியாதிருந்தால் என்ன நடக்கும் என்பதை உன்னிப்பாக கவனித்து எழுதப்பட்ட ஒரு காட்சி.
  
  மஹாநதி உண்மையிலேயே பார்க்க பார்க்க பரிமாணங்கள் வழங்கும் ஒரு சில தமிழ் படங்களின் எண்ணிக்கையில் சேர்த்தி.
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Fri Sep 26 13:20:11 2008.

  complicateur(type pandradhukulla...ushhhh...)..yarunga neenga
  in ur first three posts....u have written 2 excellent posts about my 2 favs
  
  gounder and kamal
  
  

• From: complicateur on Fri Sep 26 13:30:01 2008.

  start dig// Vivasaayi: I'm a constant lurker on this site (as time and work permit) and have been tempted to partake in many a discussion but Prabhu Ram's take on one of the most done to death (yet colossally funny) comic episodes in Tamil movie history forced me to crawl out of anonymity.
  
  80-90's Chennai is when and where I grew up and what influenced my initial understanding of life. It is a big part of who I am, so, athil Kamal-um Gounder-um kalanthiruppathu should be less of a surprise.
  
  Mathabadi perusa solra alavukku yaarum illai. // end dig
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Fri Sep 26 13:33:09 2008.

  complicateur wrote:

  Vivasaayi: I'm a constant lurker on this site (as time and work permit) and have been tempted to partake in many a discussion but Prabhu Ram's take on one of the most done to death (yet colossally funny) comic episodes in Tamil movie history forced me to crawl out of anonymity. 80-90's Chennai is when and where I grew up and what influenced my initial understanding of life. It is a big part of who I am, so, athil Kamal-um Gounder-um kalanthiruppathu should be less of a surprise.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Sep 26 15:19:25 2008.

  நல்வரவு complicateur.
  
  
  

  complicateur wrote:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLO_DXHDo0 மேல் இணைத்துள்ள காட்சிகளில் 3:07 துடங்கி 3:18 வரை உள்ள காட்சியே (பஞ்சபகேசனும் கிச்சாவும் சமூகத்தை விமர்சிக்கும் அதே தருணத்தில் கூவத்தை கடப்பது சற்று coincidental-ஆக இருந்த போதிலும்) எத்தனை முறை பார்த்தாலும் என்னை யோசிக்க வைப்பது:

  
  
  இந்தப்படத்தில் எதுவுமே 'தற்செயலாக' காண்பிக்கப்படவில்லை என்றே நம்பத் தோன்றுகிறது.
  
  முதல் படக்கட்டம் : சலசலக்கும் நீர் (காவிரி ?) மாறி கூவத்தின் தேக்கத்தை சுற்றி இயங்கிக் கொண்டிருக்கும் நகரம்.
  
  

• From: complicateur on Fri Sep 26 19:59:36 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  இந்தப்படத்தில் எதுவுமே 'தற்செயலாக' காண்பிக்கப்படவில்லை என்றே நம்பத் தோன்றுகிறது.

  
  
  நான் எப்பொழுதோ எழுதி வைத்து மறந்து போன சில யோசனைகள்: காவேரி ஏன் சொன காசியில் சென்று பட வேண்டும்? கமல் தனக்கு பரிச்சயமான தாராவியிலே அந்த காட்சிகள் அமைத்திருக்கலாம். அனால் கல்கத்தாவில் கதையை அமைத்ததினால் தனது கதைக்கு காவிரி, கூவம், கங்கை என்று thematic consistency கிடைத்துவிடுகிறது.
  
  "இந்த பொல்லா ஜனம் பாவங்களை நீரில் கழுவுது" என்பதை கங்கை ஓடு அல்லாமல் கூவத்தோடு associate செய்தால் என்னமோ கூவத்தை கழுவாமல் இருப்பதைத்தான் பாவமாக கூறுகிறாரோ என்ற ஒரு odd feeling.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  முதல் படக்கட்டம் : சலசலக்கும் நீர் (காவிரி ?) மாறி கூவத்தின் தேக்கத்தை சுற்றி இயங்கிக் கொண்டிருக்கும் நகரம்.

  
  
  தெளி நீரும், கழிவு நீரும் கிராம வாழ்க்கைக்கும் நகர வாழ்க்கைக்கும் ஒரு பொதுமையான உவமையாகவே எனக்கு இது முதலில் தோன்றியது. ஆனால் யோசித்து பார்க்கும் பொழுது அந்த உவமை சற்று எளிமையான (simplistic) கருத்து .
  
  காவிரிக்கரையில், தனது குக்க்ராமத்தில் (இங்கு கிராமம் மட்டுமே குக்) கிருஷ்ணசுவாமி என்பவன் பெரிய வீட்டு பிள்ளை. பள்ளி மற்றும் கல்லூரி நாட்களில் பெரிய நண்பர் வட்டாரம் உடையவனாகவும் அதற்க்கு தலைவனாகவும் இருந்திருப்பது சாத்தியம். அதன் பின் அழகான மனைவி (திரையில் தோன்றாமலே மனதை கவர்ந்த கதாபாத்திரம் ஒன்று என்றால் அது ஜெயசுதவுடையதாக மட்டுமே இருக்க முடியும்), அன்பான, சற்று அதிகப்ரசங்கியான, பெண் குழந்தை என்று க்ஷேமமான, தெளிந்த காவிரி நீர் போன்ற வாழ்க்கை. திடீரென பிள்ளை பிறப்பில் மனைவியின் இழப்பு என்ற ஒரு மாற்ற முடியாத சோகம் அவனது வாழ்வில். தெளிந்த நீர் அங்கே கலங்க தொடங்கி விடுகிறது, ஆனால் இன்னும் மலம் படிந்ததாகவில்லை.
  
  If you will let me play pop-psychologist for a second - Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance என்ற ஐந்து மன நிலைகளில் நாலாவதில் சிக்கி கிடக்கிறது அவனது மனது. அதை அவ்வளவாக வெளியே காட்டிக்கொள்ளா விட்டாலும், பெண் குழந்தையுடன் புடவை வாங்க செல்லும் பொழுது கண்களின் மூலைகளில் சோகம் எட்டிப்பார்த்துவிடுகிறது. இந்த சமயம் பார்த்து, நாடு விட்டு சென்ற நண்பன் வருகிறான். தான் alpha-dogஆக இருந்த கூட்டத்தில் ஒருவன் தன்னையும் தனது குழந்தையையும் patronize செய்வது அவனுக்கு சற்று உறுத்துகிறது. பிள்ளையின் நலன் கருதி அவன் நகரம் செல்ல எடுக்கும் முடிவில் சற்று ego-vum கலந்து தான் இருக்கிறது. அவன் எடுத்த முடிவை இவ்வாறு அணுகினால் கதையின் கோணமும் பின்பு வரும் பல சமூகக்கோபம் கொண்ட வசனங்களின் அர்த்தமும் மாறி விடுகின்றன. மஹாநதி என்ற திரைப்படம், வெகுளியான நல்லவனுக்கு நேர்ந்திடும் சோகம் என்ற நிலையிலிருந்து, சாதாரண மனித இயல்பு உள்ள நம்மில் ஒருவனுக்கு நேர்ந்திடும் சோகம் என்றாகிவிடுகிறது.
  
  To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from Oscar Wilde's "The Importance of Being Earnest" , "Never speak ill of society for only those who cannot get into it do so". "இந்த மாதிரி சாக்கடையா வெச்சுத்தான் அவனவன் நானும் ஒண்ணுக்கு அடிச்சா என்ன கெட்டுடும்?" என்று கேட்க்கும் நிறை குறை உள்ள மனிதன் கிருஷ்ணசுவாமி. அவனுக்கு நடந்த அவலங்களின் தொடக்கம் (துளியளவு தான் என்றாலும்) மாற்ற முடியாத நிகழ்வுகளாலும், அவனது ego-விலிருந்தும் பிறந்ததை அவன் மறந்து விட்டான். இது அன்றாடம் காணப்படும் ஒன்று - பழி பரிமாற்றம் தடம் புரண்ட கோபம் ஆவது (transference of blame that turns into misplaced social anger). அந்த தெளிந்த நீர் க்ரிஷ்ணச்வாமியின் முதல் மனநிலை என்றால் கலங்கிய கூவம் அவனது இன்றைய மனநிலை. ஆகவே கூவமும் காவிரியும் க்ரிஷ்ணஸ்வமியே!
  
  P.S: I seem to remember reading on this site that Mahanadi has been discussed ad infinitum before so I hope I am not flogging a dead horse. Prabhu Ram, I also read that you may have proposed an alternate ending of sorts. I haven't had the opportunity to read that, so please let me know if there is someway I can.
  
  

• From: Srimannarayanan on Sat Sep 27 0:00:49 2008.

  Compicator
  
  
  
  

• From: complicateur on Sat Sep 27 4:18:02 2008.

  Srimannarayanan: Nandri hai. Peyarukkum puthu parimaanam koduthu vittergal.
  
  

• From: sarna_blr on Sat Sep 27 8:16:35 2008.

  http://whowrites.blogspot.com/2008/03/anbe-sivam.html
  
  Anbe Sivam
  
  Our lives are governed by facts and beliefs over a period of time that we have got used to these things; practices have been stamped with unquestionable beliefs. It is only a confined section of the society that tends to think on iconoclastic lines, and majority of us find it difficult to have our views matched with the minority section.
  I run into a severe thought process; most of the times, they are about trivialities, and the rest, about the extremes. It is always a great feeling to know that you have complete control of life, and that you want to think and act independently. But, ironically, it gives us great comfort to think that there is a power vastly superior than us controlling the various stages of our lives. Who is He? is a big question, but it gives great comfort to know that there is a He governing our lives!
  Last week, I happened to watch the movie Anbe Sivam once again (you can safely put the number of viewings to a double digit value). Some of my non-Tamil speaking friends hail this as one of the best Indian movies ever, simply because of the over-powering message that it conveys. This movie is like a book; every time you watch the movie, you walk away with a new message. The concept of humanity being the ultimate form of Godliness; a force that can influence you positively serves as the theme of this movie. The movie talks of everyone being a God in his own right. The message that the movie conveys is simple and profound. Anyone who is concerned about the well being of others is God. An atheist who does something good to others is better than an ardent devotee who always wishes to raise his stakes at the cost of another person's happiness. Most of the time, we are governed by the inner voice. A realization that we should not commit a mistake because we can get caught is different from the realization that it is morally wrong. The movie has influenced me so much simply because many times in life, we face a scenario of reality vs moral, and we walk away with a neat trade off between the two. This movie explains the distinction between the two without a moralistic approach. It is this simplicity that leaves a striking impact in you even after innumerable views.
  In spite of the various religious dogmas governing our lives, we are in reality influenced by the pragmatic approach towards life. It is strange though, that even though we are faced with different practical aspects, we are hugely dependent on the religious structure that we have built up over many generations. We believe life is full of facts, but at the same time extend the beliefs to the complicated realms of uncertainities and expectations. Life is an illusion, and we love to live in it. It is this fascinating aspect of life that makes living worth everything. The realizations and counter realizations throw different challenges, and we walk on a tight rope trying to strike the right balance. The bottomline is simple. At the end of the day, we need somebody to watch over us without our knowledge. It is a source of comfort and hope. Imagine extending the analogy to your superior at work; all of us will be tearing our hair in agony!!!
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sat Sep 27 13:53:17 2008.

  நல்ல அலசல் complicateur
  
  

  complicateaur wrote:

  இந்த சமயம் பார்த்து, நாடு விட்டு சென்ற நண்பன் வருகிறான். தான் alpha-dogஆக இருந்த கூட்டத்தில் ஒருவன் தன்னையும் தனது குழந்தையையும் patronize செய்வது அவனுக்கு சற்று உறுத்துகிறது. பிள்ளையின் நலன் கருதி அவன் நகரம் செல்ல எடுக்கும் முடிவில் சற்று ego-vum கலந்து தான் இருக்கிறது.

  
  மிகச்சரி.
  
  சொர்க்கம் என்பது மண்ணில் உள்ளது வானில் இல்லையடி (ஊரைப்பற்றிய மிகைப்புகழ்ச்சி இல்லை இது…அடுத்த வரி)
  நம் இன்பம் என்பது கண்ணில் உள்ளது கனவில் இல்லையடி
  
  முதல் பாட்டிலேயே இது நமக்கு சொல்லப்படுகிறது. ஒரு deceptive simplicity –யுடன்.
  
  ஆசையின்மைக்கும் கண்ணியத்துக்கும் நெருங்கிய தொடர்பை நம் பொது புத்தியில் ஏற்படுத்திவிட்டோம். அதில் சிக்கித் தவிக்கும் கண்யவாண்களில் ஒருவர் கிருஷ்ணசாமி.
  
  
  "அந்த மஞ்சு பொண்ணு அவ்வளொ நல்லவ இல்லம்மா" என்று ஒரு ஏமாற்றத்துடன் சொல்லும் கிருஷ்ணசாமியிடம், "சரி, அதுக்கு என்ன இப்பொ" ...என்றுவிட்டு "ஓஹோ" என்பார் மாமியார். அந்த "ஓஹோ" பார்வையாளர்களாகிய நாமும் சொல்லும் "ஓஹோ."
  
  தீர்க்கமான தீர்மானங்களை விட ஊசலாடும் அபிப்ராயங்கள் தானே அதிகம் - குறிப்பாக ஆண்/பெண் உறவுகளில். வயதாக வயதாக பளு மூட்டைகள் கூடுவதால் தான் பெரிய தாவல்களுக்கு அஞ்சுகிறோம். கடமைகள் மட்டும் மூட்டைகள் அல்ல. பிம்பமும் மூட்டைதான்.
  
  கிருஷ்ணசாமி power-of-attorneyல் கையெழுத்திடுவது கூட தன் 'ஆண்மையை' பிரகடனப்படுத்தும் செயலாகவே பார்க்கிறேன்.
  
  காவிரியின் தெளிவில் இருந்து கூவத்தின் கரை படிந்துவிட்டபின் கங்கையின் புனிதப்படுத்துதல் நகையாடப்படுகிறது. இதை நாத்திகம்/ கலாசார தொன்மங்களை விளாசும் iconoclasm என்பதையும் தாண்டி பார்த்தால் கிண்டலடிக்கப்படுவது இது தான்: ஒரு வெளிசக்தி மூலம் சுத்திகரிப்பு நடக்கும் என்ற எதிர்பார்ப்பு. ஒரு superhero-வுக்காக காத்திருப்பதும் சேர்த்தே சாடப்படுகிறது. (மறுமுறை வருவதாய்ச் சொல்லி மாய்ந்தவர் வந்ததே இல்லை/ தொடர்வது நாமே – நாளை வருவது வேறொரு ஆளே)
  
  கேள்விகேட்பவனின் யோக்யதையை முத்துசாமி ஏற்கனவே கேள்விக்குள்ளாக்கிவிட்டதால், தனிமனிதன் தனது ஒழுக்கத்தினால் ஏற்படும் இன்னல்களைப் பற்றி அங்கலாய்ப்பது இயலாததாகிவிட்டது. தன் சொகுசுகளை பத்திரப்படுத்திக்கொள்பவனுக்கு சமூக அமைப்பின் சீரழிவு ஒரு ‘அசௌகர்யம்’ மட்டுமே, ஆதார வாழ்வியல் பிரச்சனை அல்ல. அமெரிக்கா, ஆன்மீகம் என்று ஓடிவிட இடங்கள் உண்டு பஞ்சாபகேசர்களுக்கு. ஒழுக்கத்தின் உயரிய விலையை, தன் அளவில் இழப்புகளை சந்திக்கத் தயாரானவன் மட்டுமே கேள்விகேட்கவல்லவன்: சாக்கடை சுத்தப்படுத்தவேண்டும் என்பதற்கு நீ என்ன செய்தாய் ? கிருஷ்ணசாமி ஒரு கை கொடுத்தான்.
  
  படத்தின் முடிவுக்காட்சியின் படிமங்களில் இவ்வாறு உள்ளர்த்தம் இருந்தாலும், மகாநதியின் கடைசி நிமிடங்கள் பற்றி எனக்குக் கொஞ்சம் ஏமாற்றமே. ஒரு வித தனி பழி தீர்ப்பது , அது தனி இல்லை பொதுகார்யம் என்பதை சப்தமாக சொல்ல முனைவது… சில வருடங்கள் பிறகு கட்டுக்கோப்பான குடும்பம்….இதெல்லாம் படம் எட்டிய உச்சங்களுக்கு எவ்வித பொருத்தமும் இல்லாத சாதாரணத்தன்மை நிரம்பிய காட்சிகள்.
  
  

  complicateur wrote:

  P.S: I seem to remember reading on this site that Mahanadi has been discussed ad infinitum before so I hope I am not flogging a dead horse.

  It's perfectly fine to breathe life back into the horse so we can flog it every now and again.
  
  

  complicateaur wrote:

  Prabhu Ram, I also read that you may have proposed an alternate ending of sorts. I haven't had the opportunity to read that, so please let me know if there is someway I can.

  
  Sure. I would never miss out on some self-promotion
  
  படம் கொஞ்சம் முன்னாலேயே முடிந்திருக்கக் கூடாதா என்றே எண்ணவைத்தன. அதைத் தான் இங்கு எழுதியிருந்தேன்
  
  PS: Sheesh it is nearly three years old. Makes me feel ancient.
  
  
  

• From: complicateur on Sun Sep 28 6:41:07 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  [tscii]நல்ல அலசல் complicateur ஆசையின்மைக்கும் கண்ணியத்துக்கும் நெருங்கிய தொடர்பை நம் பொது புத்தியில் ஏற்படுத்திவிட்டோம். அதில் சிக்கித் தவிக்கும் கண்யவாண்களில் ஒருவர் கிருஷ்ணசாமி. "அந்த மஞ்சு பொண்ணு அவ்வளொ நல்லவ இல்லம்மா" என்று ஒரு ஏமாற்றத்துடன் சொல்லும் கிருஷ்ணசாமியிடம், "சரி, அதுக்கு என்ன இப்பொ" ...என்றுவிட்டு "ஓஹோ" என்பார் மாமியார். அந்த "ஓஹோ" பார்வையாளர்களாகிய நாமும் சொல்லும் "ஓஹோ." தீர்க்கமான தீர்மானங்களை விட ஊசலாடும் அபிப்ராயங்கள் தானே அதிகம் - குறிப்பாக ஆண்/பெண் உறவுகளில். வயதாக வயதாக பளு மூட்டைகள் கூடுவதால் தான் பெரிய தாவல்களுக்கு அஞ்சுகிறோம். கடமைகள் மட்டும் மூட்டைகள் அல்ல. பிம்பமும் மூட்டைதான்.

  
  நன்றி பிரபு ராம். மஹாநதி பார்த்து விட்டு "இது ராமர் மாய பொன்மானை தேடிப்போகும் கதை தானே?" என்று கமலிடம் ஒருவர் கேட்டதாக நான் படித்ததுண்டு. பாடலின் வரிகள் அதை வலியுறுத்துகின்றன. கீதையை "கடமையை செய், பலனை எதிர் பார்க்காதே" என்று சுருக்கினால் ஆசையின்மையையும் கண்ணியத்தையும் conflate செய்வது எதிர்ப்பார்க்கத்தக்கதே.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  [tscii]காவிரியின் தெளிவில் இருந்து கூவத்தின் கரை படிந்துவிட்டபின் கங்கையின் புனிதப்படுத்துதல் நகையாடப்படுகிறது. இதை நாத்திகம்/ கலாசார தொன்மங்களை விளாசும் iconoclasm என்பதையும் தாண்டி பார்த்தால் கிண்டலடிக்கப்படுவது இது தான்: ஒரு வெளிசக்தி மூலம் சுத்திகரிப்பு நடக்கும் என்ற எதிர்பார்ப்பு. ஒரு superhero-வுக்காக காத்திருப்பதும் சேர்த்தே சாடப்படுகிறது. (மறுமுறை வருவதாய்ச் சொல்லி மாய்ந்தவர் வந்ததே இல்லை/ தொடர்வது நாமே – நாளை வருவது வேறொரு ஆளே)

  நாத்திகம் என்பதை விட எனக்கு anti-messianic என்ற வார்த்தையே பொருத்தம் என்று அவ்வப்பொழுது தோன்றியதுண்டு. ஆசையின்மையையும் கண்ணியத்தையும் conflate செய்வது போல கடவுளும் ஆன்மீகமும் collective conscious-இல் பிணைந்து கிடக்கின்றன.
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  [tscii]தன் சொகுசுகளை பத்திரப்படுத்திக்கொள்பவனுக்கு சமூக அமைப்பின் சீரழிவு ஒரு ‘அசௌகர்யம்’ மட்டுமே, ஆதார வாழ்வியல் பிரச்சனை அல்ல.

  Adam Smith-உம் அவரது "கண்ணில் படாத கரமும்" தான் கண்ண முன் நின்றன இதை படித்த போது. . மற்றபடி படத்தின் முடிவு காட்சிகளின் உள்ளர்த்தத்துடன் எனக்கும் உடன் பாடில்லை. (அக்காட்சிகளில் இளையராஜாவின் பின்னணி இசை மிகவும் பிடித்திருந்தபோதிலும் .)
  
  Thanks for linking back to your post on the alternate ending. It suggests a lack of closure, that might have been better for the film overall.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Sep 28 10:41:42 2008.

  complicateur wrote:

  மற்றபடி படத்தின் முடிவு காட்சிகளின் உள்ளர்த்தத்துடன் எனக்கும் உடன் பாடில்லை.

  
  
  complicateur (கொம்ப்ளிகெதியொ ?)
  
  எனக்கு அவற்றுடன் ஒரு தயக்கமான உடன்பாடு உண்டு. அந்தக் காட்சிக்கு இட்டுச்செல்லும் காட்சிகளும், சம்பிரதாய சண்டை, பழிதீர்த்தல், சுபம் போன்றவை தான் எனக்குப் பிடிக்கவில்லை.
  
  

• From: complicateur on Sun Sep 28 15:43:29 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  complicateur wrote: மற்றபடி படத்தின் முடிவு காட்சிகளின் உள்ளர்த்தத்துடன் எனக்கும் உடன் பாடில்லை. complicateur (கொம்ப்ளிகெதியொ ?)

  That is what I was going for .
  
  
  

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  எனக்கு அவற்றுடன் ஒரு தயக்கமான உடன்பாடு உண்டு. அந்தக் காட்சிக்கு இட்டுச்செல்லும் காட்சிகளும், சம்பிரதாய சண்டை, பழிதீர்த்தல், சுபம் போன்றவை தான் எனக்குப் பிடிக்கவில்லை.

  
  
  வன்முறை symbolism-ஆக இருந்தாலும் அதை தீர்வாக காண்பதில் எனக்கு சிரமம் உண்டு. குறிப்பாக நீங்கள் கூறியது போல் அது தனி மனித பழி தீர்ப்பாக தோன்றும் பொழுது. Also the act being so visceral makes it extremely difficult to see the subtext.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Sun Sep 28 20:51:15 2008.

  http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KWK7szRdbrE
  
  One of the most rare videos. Vikram Title song. My personal favorite. The picturisation is much ahead of its times. Kamal at his sublime best
  
  

• From: complicateur on Mon Sep 29 12:20:00 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KWK7szRdbrE One of the most rare videos. Vikram Title song. My personal favorite. The picturisation is much ahead of its times. Kamal at his sublime best

  
  
  The song was supposedly composed and recorded in half a day!
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Sep 29 12:22:38 2008.

  Whoaa
  
  Looks like some of the shots are taken in an subway
  

  complicateur wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KWK7szRdbrE One of the most rare videos. Vikram Title song. My personal favorite. The picturisation is much ahead of its times. Kamal at his sublime best The song was supposedly composed and recorded in half a day!

  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Sep 29 12:34:29 2008.

  IMO the best song sung by Kamal
  
  After watching Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon Sujatha wrote how he felt a lust for violence
  தொத்தலாக யாராவது தென்பட்டலாம் அடிக்கலாம் போல இருந்தது
  
  Same for me with this song
  
  (approx lyrics..)
  
  ஹோ பகைவனுக் கருள்வது பிழையே
  வா பகைவனை அழிப்பது முறையே
  ஹ்ம்ம் பொறுப்பது புழுக்களின் இனமே
  ஹா..அழிப்பது புலிகளின் குணமே
  
  எட்டிப்போ இதோ புலி வருகுது
  ரத்ததில் அதோ தலை உருளுது
  சித்தத்தில் மனோபலம் வருகுது
  பொத்தத்தில் அதோ பகை ஒழியுது
  
  துடிக்கிது புஜம் ஜெயிப்பது நிஜம்
  
  
  
  

• From: selvakumar on Mon Sep 29 13:16:19 2008.

  Quote:

  After watching Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon Sujatha wrote how he felt a lust for violence தொத்தலாக யாராவது தென்பட்டலாம் அடிக்கலாம் போல இருந்தது

  
  
  <dig> True... REAL ACTION HERO. Summa paarthuttu veliya vantha evanayavathu thookki pottu mithikkanum pola irukkum.
  
  Eedu inai atra - intha word lee kku perfect ah porunthum.
  
  oruthana adichuttu kaiya appadi shake pannikittae nippar </dig>
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Thu Oct 2 11:40:31 2008.

  happened to see the song Kanmani Anboda from Guna in Sunmusic channel.. mindblowing.. Just recollecting those days in Deviparadise. Deepvali sirappu oliyum oliyum il... orupakkam guna, marupakkam thalapathi.. yeppa Guna's song and the climax, penthatol rounding with the Dr.. kamalji's patience on waiting on ladoos'.... K'''tha.. eppa ninachallum enakku silirkuthupa.........
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Oct 2 12:10:34 2008.

  recalling a "tha chance illai" type scene from that classic..
  
  Abiraami Ulla irukku, ezuthellaam veliya irukku
  
  gr8 gr8!!!!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_tOk5Ogumg&feature=related
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Oct 2 12:20:19 2008.

  Ellam Inba Mayam - One of those earlier takes at multiple avatars.
  
  http://i36.tinypic.com/333j3nn.jpg
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Mon Oct 6 3:39:14 2008.

  yesterday watched nayagan on TV
  
  *when nasser waits for kamal in the bank if the river...first kamal walks towards nasser looking at him...looks for few seconds and then suddenly realises that he is not only a policeman but also his son-in-law - raises his hands and puts a vanakkam.
  
  
  
  *usage of names are also wonderful...
  
  when kamal sees anjamma in hospital he says "velu vandhirukenma".."not nayakkar vandhiruken" - later we come to know that kamal knows her from hs childhood.Also janakaraj addreses as "velu" suddenly to stop his calling the police
  
  
  
  

• From: rangan_08 on Mon Oct 6 3:48:19 2008.

  His name is Balu, an ace dancer, now retired and has taken to drinking. He carries with him memories of a bitter past, where dance was his life & soul. As part of his profession, he attends a Bharatanatyam concert of a young girl, to write a review on the newspaper for which he works for. After watching it he comes out filled with dismay over the girl's performance and writes a critical review. But, to his surprise he sees raving reviews about the girl's dance in other newspapers. He goes to the girls office as she wants to meet him for writing such a critical review. The offended girl, alongwith her boy friend, humiliates him and ask him a very silly question - what do you know about dance ?
  
  Now comes one of the most excellent scene that I've ever watched. It gives me goose-bumps for every viewing. After being questioned, Balu flings away his slippers and plays the tape recorder which he had bought with him. The same song plays to which the girl had danced. He starts demonstrating different styles like Kuchipudi, Kathakali, Bharatanatyam etc , one by one, for the same song thereby stunning everyone present there, including the girl & her boy friend.
  
  The best part is he lifts his leg for the Nataraja pose and at the same time the office boy brings in the coffee tray and they both collide. Up goes the tray with all the tumblers flying in air. Just terrific and only this man is capable of delivering such a brilliant performance. After that, he chants a Sanskrit slogan and walks off non-chalantly.
  
  That also reminds me of another Malayalam film, "Chanakyan". In the first half he comes in a different make-up and avenges the villains who had ruined his family. In the flash back we see a normal & handsome Kamal (it was the Nayagan days) who churns out an excellent performance. One of the magazines, in its review said, there are many actors in the Malayalam industry who can do the role that comes in the first half, but ONLY KAMAL can do that flash back portion. Very very true.
  
  

• From: Anban on Mon Oct 6 8:35:09 2008.

  excellent post , rangan sir
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Oct 6 11:05:25 2008.

  Superb post on one of my favorite Kamal only performances
  

  rangan_08 wrote:

  His name is Balu, an ace dancer, now retired and has taken to drinking. He carries with him memories of a bitter past, where dance was his life & soul. As part of his profession, he attends a Bharatanatyam concert of a young girl, to write a review on the newspaper for which he works for. After watching it he comes out filled with dismay over the girl's performance and writes a critical review. But, to his surprise he sees raving reviews about the girl's dance in other newspapers. He goes to the girls office as she wants to meet him for writing such a critical review. The offended girl, alongwith her boy friend, humiliates him and ask him a very silly question - what do you know about dance ? Now comes one of the most excellent scene that I've ever watched. It gives me goose-bumps for every viewing. After being questioned, Balu flings away his slippers and plays the tape recorder which he had bought with him. The same song plays to which the girl had danced. He starts demonstrating different styles like Kuchipudi, Kathakali, Bharatanatyam etc , one by one, for the same song thereby stunning everyone present there, including the girl & her boy friend. The best part is he lifts his leg for the Nataraja pose and at the same time the office boy brings in the coffee tray and they both collide. Up goes the tray with all the tumblers flying in air. Just terrific and only this man is capable of delivering such a brilliant performance. After that, he chants a Sanskrit slogan and walks off non-chalantly. That also reminds me of another Malayalam film, "Chanakyan". In the first half he comes in a different make-up and avenges the villains who had ruined his family. In the flash back we see a normal & handsome Kamal (it was the Nayagan days) who churns out an excellent performance. One of the magazines, in its review said, there are many actors in the Malayalam industry who can do the role that comes in the first half, but ONLY KAMAL can do that flash back portion. Very very true.

  
  

• From: rangan_08 on Tue Oct 7 8:47:20 2008.

  thanks Anban & af. I've just spilled out what was there in my heart.
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Tue Oct 7 8:52:43 2008.

  rangan_08 wrote:

  thanks Anban & af. I've just spilled out what was there in my heart.

  
  
  Im really curious abt the reception chanakyan got.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Oct 7 8:55:05 2008.

  Nice post rangan.
  
  One of Kamal's finest performances.Every scene he does well.
  
  The servant in the guest house - whose assigned duty is not to let him out of the house - relents when Kamal says he is going to visit Sarathbabu's wife who is ailing. But he refuses the money Kamal gives him : unga aNNikku pazham vaangi kudungayyA
  Kamal's reaction of temporary confusion in the face of such goodness is
  
  Must see CHanakyan - I saw it too long back to remember much.
  
  

• From: complicateur on Tue Oct 7 11:32:57 2008.

  Rangan: Lovely recap. I would have to credit Salangai Oli with being the first movie I watched with no inkling that it was dubbed. (of course tis was as a kid looong time ago). Easily one of Kamal's best performances.
  
  Those romance sequences in Chanakyan are pretty much up there with Pesum Padam. I think Kamal plays a musician, working at a music store and Urmila Matondkar, as Thilakan's daughter, plays the love interest. If I remember correctly, she is mute, so pretty much all the sequences between Kamal and Urmila are completely silent and quite excellent.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Oct 7 21:54:00 2008.

  Making of Karka Karka Song & Official Trailer of VettaiyaaduVilaiyadu
  
  
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Tue Oct 7 22:12:44 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Making of Karka Karka Song & Official Trailer of VettaiyaaduVilaiyadu

  
  Kamal is Kamal! He can literally play any character/role under the sun with aplomb!
  In VV, Kamal portrayed the right kind of body language, gambeeram & "gethu" that is required to play the role of a middle-aged cop! Chinna pasangala... yaaru kitta...
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Oct 8 20:53:49 2008.

  http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2008/10/06/anbe-sivam-preview-2003/
  
  
  Anbe Sivam preview, 2003
  by randramble | October 6th, 2008
  
  Anbe Sivam is hailed as a classic by many today, though it didn’t receive sufficient appreciation at the box-office in 2003. Kamal chose to hold a preview screening for SAHMAT (Safdar Hashmi Memorial Trust). Kamal declared that the inspiration for his character was Safdar Hashmi, a street-theatre artiste who was brutally murdered in 1989. (Interestingly, Hashmi was born in the same year as Kamal.)
  
  At the screening in the Siri Fort Auditorium in New Delhi, Kamal spoke about communism and his opposition to globalization among other things. Learn more from the report on the CPI(M)’s Web-site.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Oct 9 1:03:53 2008.

  Indian Super Scene - Universal Hero Kamal Haasan the BEST ACTOR in the WORLD!
  
  
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Oct 9 1:09:46 2008.

  Devar Magan Super Scenes Part 1 - Universal Hero Kamal Haasan, Sivaji, Gowthami, Revathy & Naseer
  
  Devar Magan Super Scenes Part 2 - Universal Hero Kamal Haasan, Sivaji, Gowthami, Revathy & Naseer
  
  Devar Magan Super Scenes Part 3 - Universal Hero Kamal Haasan, Sivaji, Gowthami, Revathy & Naseer
  
  
  
  

• From: joe on Thu Oct 9 1:32:24 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Devar Magan Super Scenes Part 1 - Universal Hero Kamal Haasan, Sivaji, Gowthami, Revathy & Naseer

  
  
  Now only I noticed Voice of Nedu mudi Venu is from Naser
  
  

• From: complicateur on Thu Oct 9 1:48:05 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Devar Magan Super Scenes Part 1 - Universal Hero Kamal Haasan, Sivaji, Gowthami, Revathy & Naseer

  
  
  The sense of discomfort one feels for dissecting the rat disappears as soon as the scalpel makes the first incision. Many a time the animal will still be alive, the choloroform not having done its duty. But your trepidation lasts only until the first incision. After that it is business as usual. And once you make enough first incisions even the smallest traces of your initial apprehension vanish. If you cross a line enough times, the line disappears. All it takes is a first step.
  
  This is studied beautifully in the scene quoted above. At around the 1:39 mark there is a very deliberate scene where he steps into the slush. Until winessing the devastation cused by the Bund bursting Sakthi views settling down in Chinna Thoovaloor with the same apprehension that a 11th-Std. Biology elective views dissection. That step he takes into the mud is where the seed is sown for him to tell Peria Thevar much later in Godown that he isn't leaving, at least not yet.
  
  There is a similar scene in Anjaathey, bu Mysskin insists on having his character spell out "Naan sEththula erangitten-nu sollu" or something tothat effect, completely melodrmatising the situation. Thevar Magan stands heads and shoulders above for the subcutaneous way it handled a similar theme.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Thu Oct 9 21:00:46 2008.

  A superb piece of tribute to Charlie Chaplin. Kamal Haasan as "Chaplin Chellapa"!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBd56Dk0MWw
  
  

• From: rangan_08 on Thu Oct 9 23:33:40 2008.

  sorry for the late reply guys.
  
  Vivasaayi, I saw Chanakyan in Chennai Abirami theatre. Out of the 4 theatres in the complex Abirami is the one with more seating capacity. For a malayalam film, Chanankyan made a good & decent run & the only reason for it is Kamal, which is needless to say.
  
  PR, thanks. I also remember Kamal replying to that servant in the same rhyming tone. And who can forget that classic, " thakida thakimi...." . Awesome performance.
  
  Thanks complicateur. Your'e right, he plays a musician in that film.
  (I vaguely remember that in Chanakyan, Jayaram plays a mimicri artiste who helps Kamal in the first half)
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Fri Oct 10 0:27:27 2008.

  Vivasaayi wrote:

  rangan_08 wrote: thanks Anban & af. I've just spilled out what was there in my heart. Im really curious abt the reception chanakyan got.

  
  
  
  " In Kerala, the movie was well appreciated and ran well.
  But the producer did not make any profit. Someone played some tricks and producer went for a loss. "
  
  Above is from Rajeev Kumar's (Chanakyan's director) interview:
  He did not mention details - May be the theatre owners or the distributors are the culprits.
  Bottomline is that the movie ran in theatres as a hit to super hit standard.
  I sponsored a ticket to one of my friends when I watched it the second time and he became a Kamal fan during / after the show
  
  

• From: leosimha on Mon Oct 13 7:14:54 2008.

  Saw Kamal's Devar Magan on Kalaignar TV yesterday for the nth time.
  
  Simply superb performances by Sivaji Ganesan, Kamal, Nasser.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Oct 20 10:49:28 2008.

  Mahanadhi Part 1 Through Part 13
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=RWp2eBrpKAg
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=GdaXhi7S1kI
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y-rl26pUd8
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJt0dbGOxY
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mpOLNkFV_oI
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6xYuVLdFq5U
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MQC27PxAWLc
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XwcqeO9NqUE
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eY8xdsEfFMA
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JMSaC6w9OgA
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=B6jGk8-ASmY
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XnwAOYK0K7w
  
  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FCvjIzKA2E4
  
  Mahanadi Part 14
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfIwM-vB_9Y
  
  Mahanadi Part 15
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdog9JTqnxk
  
  (the one where he saves his daughter at sonagachi. One of the best acting masterpieces.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Oct 23 3:54:44 2008.

  From Orkut, on Nammavar Professor Dr.Selvam and Pushpak
  
  
  

  World Champion wrote:

  One more eg.-Kamal's movies being used in classes This guy Kishore Jagirdar is using our thalaivar's Pushpaka Vimanam (Pesum Padam) as an example for non-verbal communication. "The video is an extract from the movie Pushpak Viman.Its a silent movie which was made in the late 80s.This depicts a scene about non verbal communication made between the main character and the herioine is the process of shopping and how it conveys everything without any word spoken.It is to support the claim that our communication is 63% based on non verbal communication and 20% on verbal .Only 7% actually comprises of words spoken " He illustrates it by showing a couple of romantic scenes from Pushpak. Another instructive lesson spoon fed to his audience by Andavar. Oct 22 (13 hours ago) delete World Champion sorry here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBZZNs6pNE&feature=related

  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Mon Oct 27 11:42:28 2008.

  Vettayadu Vilayadu - Intro & Song sequence to Gowtham Menon
  
  Kamal - as usual
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Oct 28 9:38:23 2008.

  Varanayam Ayiram thread la Aandavar-oda aangila pulamai vimarsanathai thodarndhu....
  
  TTT - Kalakkal (not perfect but very stylish and came off really well IMO) "You've got 7(?) days to save your ass"
  
  MMKR Madhanagopal & Thevar Magan vEli scene - Fantastic delivery However, Brit accent-a correct-a pesala Thalaivar. Thalaivar's interview accent in operation And w.r.t the line quoted by PR ("unga purse...") i think Aandavar got it wrong
  
  Kurudhippunal - 'kaali vaippe illa
  "I am responsible! They are responsible. Any questions?"
  
  VV - Though there was the "semen" moment (the judge in Virumaandi also pronounces it this way but rightly so, given the context of that film), "i hate violence against women even if its not in my jurisdiction" soopera irundhuchu...
  
  10A -
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Oct 28 9:55:57 2008.

  Britain-la purse appidi solla mattAingaLA ? American ?
  
  MBA program-la oru semester America-vula exchange student-A irundhirukkalAm
  
  But most parts are great
  
  AvinAsi:kudhichchu practice paNradhukkA...oru varusham time koduththAlum ennAla mudiyAdhu sir
  Madhan: Bloody silly fellow I say
  
  was just perfect..espessaly that 'bloody'.
  
  I use it now and then (as in nyAbagam vecchigurEn...naanum engayAvadhu edththu udrEn)
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Oct 28 16:49:38 2008.

  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 1 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind
  
  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 2 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind
  
  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 3 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind
  
  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 4 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind
  
  Kalai sevai by Kamal orkut mod karthick
  
  

• From: hattori_hanzo on Wed Oct 29 3:51:46 2008.

  breadpuli wrote:

  Vivasaayi wrote: rangan_08 wrote: thanks Anban & af. I've just spilled out what was there in my heart. Im really curious abt the reception chanakyan got. " In Kerala, the movie was well appreciated and ran well. But the producer did not make any profit. Someone played some tricks and producer went for a loss. " Above is from Rajeev Kumar's (Chanakyan's director) interview: He did not mention details - May be the theatre owners or the distributors are the culprits. Bottomline is that the movie ran in theatres as a hit to super hit standard. I sponsored a ticket to one of my friends when I watched it the second time and he became a Kamal fan during / after the show

  
  
  
  a big commercial success
  
  refer to the director's interview:
  
  http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2000/may/12raj.htm
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Oct 29 6:13:20 2008.

  7 November is Kamal's birthday and Astro Vellithirai is celebrating the day with SEVEN back-to-back Kamal movies....
  
  12.00 am - Indian
  3.00 am - Ninaithale Inikkum
  7.00 am - Punnagai Mannan
  10.30 am - Avargal
  2.30 pm - Avvai Shanmughi
  6.00 pm - Michael Madana Kama Rajan
  9.00 pm - Japanil Kalyana Raman
  
  

• From: Anban on Wed Oct 29 6:21:58 2008.

  NOV, you skip these movies and watch Dasavatharam 7 times nonstop..
  
  

• From: NOV on Wed Oct 29 6:40:49 2008.

  Anban wrote:

  NOV, you skip these movies and watch Dasavatharam 7 times nonstop..

  
  
  I saw the making of Dasa on Deepavali day. so much of hard work.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Oct 29 6:55:36 2008.

  Karthi,
  Did you see Thalaivar's Kairali TV interview on Monday?
  I missed it
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Oct 29 8:14:25 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 1 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 2 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 3 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 4 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalai sevai by Kamal orkut mod karthick

  
  
  Wow..Have the audio Thanks for the video
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 29 8:18:40 2008.

  but looks like its missing after part 4 ...
  
  

• From: Shakthiprabha. on Wed Oct 29 8:20:47 2008.

  I loved that programme
  All the songs of kamalhassan
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Wed Oct 29 8:25:27 2008.

  joe, is the audio available for download?
  
  

• From: joe on Wed Oct 29 8:29:23 2008.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  joe, is the audio available for download?

  
  
  Bala gave me the link long back ..Pls chk with him.
  
  

• From: hattori_hanzo on Thu Oct 30 2:07:57 2008.

  an ordinary dialogue from PKS which had the audience in splits:
  Simran is interviewed by Yuhi Sethu and Kamal watches it on TV. She talks about her profession, thali-stethoscope and YS asks her one final question.
  YS: Stethoscope'a தாலியா கட்டிப்பீங்கன்னு சொல்ரீஙளே அப்போ Thermometer'a எங்கே வெச்சுப்பீங்க??
  Kamal: வாய்ல வெச்சுப்பாங்க.(switches off the TV)
  
  I saw this movie twice in the theatres and this particular dialogue got the maximum applause from audience - just because of his impeccable timing!
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Oct 30 2:10:59 2008.

  hattori_hanzo wrote:

  an ordinary dialogue from PKS which had the audience in splits: Simran is interviewed by Yuhi Sethu and Kamal watches it on TV. She talks about her profession, thali-stethoscope and YS asks her one final question. YS: Stethoscope'a தாலியா கட்டிப்பீங்கன்னு சொல்ரீஙளே அப்போ Thermometer'a எங்கே வெச்சுப்பீங்க?? Kamal: வாய்ல வெச்சுப்பாங்க.(switches off the TV) I saw this movie twice in the theatres and this particular dialogue got the maximum applause from audience - just because of his impeccable timing!

  
  
  Idhu double meaning'nu nanbar oruvar sonnadhaga ninaivu
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Oct 30 2:20:21 2008.

  Yeah. Kumudan (or was it AV) mentioned the line in its review with "you too Kamal ?"
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Oct 30 2:22:09 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Yeah. Kumudan (or was it AV) mentioned the line in its review with "you too Kamal ?"

  
  
  first from magazine.. then clarified with a friend
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Oct 30 2:32:56 2008.

  Who is the guy who comes as the main sidekick in Aboorva SagOdarargaL ? He does very well.
  
  MayilsAmi: unga height
  Gowthami: 5' 6'
  P1: Annan 5' 8'
  MayilsAmi: enna padhirukkeenga ?
  Gowthami: BA
  P1: aththai udrA....aNNan banian size 42
  
  
  P1: ungaltta oru vishyam sollanum
  Gowthami:...
  P1: annan ungaLai love paNraaru
  Gowthami: (chokes)....enna ippidi thideernu
  P1: annanukku ellAmE thideer thideer-nu dhaan thONum
  
  (walks away from the scene when Kamal enters with the water glass on his head karagam style)
  
  

• From: rangan_08 on Thu Oct 30 2:45:47 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Who is the guy who comes as the main sidekick in Aboorva SagOdarargaL ?

  
  
  I think he comes in Satya too..
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Oct 30 2:53:31 2008.

  rangan_08 wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: Who is the guy who comes as the main sidekick in Aboorva SagOdarargaL ? I think he comes in Satya too..

  
  
  may be from Rajkamal unit
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Oct 30 23:41:45 2008.

  Guys, I have written a light hearted piece about Kamal in his early days as Kathal Ilavarasan in my blog here:
  
  http://grouchydays.blogspot.com/
  
  There might be errors or some kind of judgement, so just ignore them. As I said, its a light hearted piece so take it easy.
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Fri Oct 31 3:42:59 2008.

  HonestRaj wrote:

  hattori_hanzo wrote: an ordinary dialogue from PKS which had the audience in splits: Simran is interviewed by Yuhi Sethu and Kamal watches it on TV. She talks about her profession, thali-stethoscope and YS asks her one final question. YS: Stethoscope'a தாலியா கட்டிப்பீங்கன்னு சொல்ரீஙளே அப்போ Thermometer'a எங்கே வெச்சுப்பீங்க?? Kamal: வாய்ல வெச்சுப்பாங்க.(switches off the TV) I saw this movie twice in the theatres and this particular dialogue got the maximum applause from audience - just because of his impeccable timing! Idhu double meaning'nu nanbar oruvar sonnadhaga ninaivu

  
  justy read kamals dialogue
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Fri Oct 31 10:26:02 2008.

  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 5 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind
  
  
  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 6 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind
  

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 1 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 2 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 3 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 4 - Kamal Haasan, S. P. Balasubrahmaniyam & Ramesh Aravind Kalai sevai by Kamal orkut mod karthick

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Tue Nov 4 12:43:37 2008.

  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 7!
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF-wZCvzhfI
  
  Kalakka Povathu Yaaru Show Part 8!
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAxfUOgUR4Y
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 4 14:03:04 2008.

  parts are broken and not in order. the part numbers make no sense...alas, the program was breaking in good moments
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Wed Nov 12 7:31:51 2008.

  Look Love Me dear- Simla Special
  
  never knew why i love this song so much
  
  

• From: complicateur on Wed Nov 12 13:39:16 2008.

  Raikkonen wrote:

  never knew why i love this song so much

  I'll give you 2 3 letter abbreviations for why I loved this song, from the very first instant I listened to it. M.S.V and S.P.B.
  When he says veNmEgamE Odi vA enakku odambellAm summa jivvunu kuLiru ERum. NesamAvE simla pOna oru feel.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Wed Nov 12 17:31:01 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Guys, I have written a light hearted piece about Kamal in his early days as Kathal Ilavarasan in my blog here: http://grouchydays.blogspot.com/ There might be errors or some kind of judgement, so just ignore them. As I said, its a light hearted piece so take it easy.

  
  Nice writeup, Groucho. Thanks for sharing with us. Just one sumall nitpick (sorry, couldn't resist because I know you are a Kamal fan too like me)
  
  "As many of us now, then, he did many films with Sri Devi. We know he won the first national award for Mundram Pirai."
  
  Kamal won his first National award in his debut movie Kalathoor Kannama where he was given the "Best Child Actor" award! It's a pretty common oversight from many of us including me!
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 12 22:41:07 2008.

  Movie Cop wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: Guys, I have written a light hearted piece about Kamal in his early days as Kathal Ilavarasan in my blog here: http://grouchydays.blogspot.com/ There might be errors or some kind of judgement, so just ignore them. As I said, its a light hearted piece so take it easy. Nice writeup, Groucho. Thanks for sharing with us. Just one sumall nitpick (sorry, couldn't resist because I know you are a Kamal fan too like me) "As many of us now, then, he did many films with Sri Devi. We know he won the first national award for Mundram Pirai." Kamal won his first National award in his debut movie Kalathoor Kannama where he was given the "Best Child Actor" award! It's a pretty common oversight from many of us including me!

  
  
  Yeah, I got to know only recently. Thanks for reading. As you know there are two mistakes....one, on Salanggai Oli, and second I mistyped Ilamai Oonjaladugirathu, instead of Ullasa Paravaigal for Kamal/Rathi outing.
  
  

• From: RC on Wed Nov 12 22:55:55 2008.

  Groucho: Nice Writeup on thalaivar!
  You write..."Kamal plays an amateur Baratha Natiyam dancer who falls in love with this muse, Jaya Pradha, only to lose her to Sarath Babu."
  
  Its actually Mohan (Lakshmi's husband) who marries Jayapradha in Salangai Oli. Sarath Babu plays kamal's friend.
  
  In ullaasa paravaigaL, its Deepa that plays his love interest who dies (not sure how...). He falls in love again with Rathi and gets her.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Nov 12 23:27:15 2008.

  Thanks RC. That's the third correction.
  
  The haunting song Deiveega Raagam...was it for Deepa? Haven't seen those films for a long time.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Thu Nov 13 0:43:30 2008.

  Raikkonen wrote:

  Look Love Me dear- Simla Special never knew why i love this song so much

  interesting pictrisation...heroine mattum thaan enakku uruththal. vera yaracum iruntha nalla irunthirukkum...
  
  when manjal veyil frm VV was premiered, some ppl wrote, te teknik to shoot a song just likethat running in background, and the pair dont need to sing it really and do something else, natural, is a nice way but looks like its done too old in this kamal film itself.
  
  any other song even before this? with same teknik?
  
  (unakkenna mele is another superb song with thalaivers ultmae graceful expression-filled dance...romba naalaikku, intha padam, (original)billa ithukkellaam meesic, illayarajannu thaan nenachitrunthen!! MSV Sir )
  
  lovely figure ennum line parrkumpothu, 'figure' enra varnippu anthakaalathuleye irunthirukkirathu enra sarithira unmayum pulanaaginrathu!
  
  

• From: rangan_08 on Thu Nov 13 1:12:20 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Thanks RC. That's the third correction. The haunting song Deiveega Raagam...was it for Deepa? Haven't seen those films for a long time.

  
  
  Yes groucho, you're right. And btw, nice write-up, enjyoed it.
  
  RC, Deepa dies in a fire accident in that film. And that's the reason for Kamal getting mentally upset whenever he sees fire.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Nov 13 2:00:06 2008.

  rangan_08 wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: Thanks RC. That's the third correction. The haunting song Deiveega Raagam...was it for Deepa? Haven't seen those films for a long time. Yes groucho, you're right. And btw, nice write-up, enjyoed it. RC, Deepa dies in a fire accident in that film. And that's the reason for Kamal getting mentally upset whenever he sees fire.

  
  
  Thanks.
  
  Pavam Kamal...first few years of venturing as hero and he sees so many deaths, heartbreaks, and failures (on screen of course).
  
  

• From: RC on Thu Nov 13 12:17:11 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Thanks RC. That's the third correction. The haunting song Deiveega Raagam...was it for Deepa? Haven't seen those films for a long time.

  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BfFpsnYHw
  
  

• From: Plum on Fri Nov 14 4:53:09 2008.

  Add to that Sattam En Kaiyil where the french actress takes a bullet on his behalf.
  However, he was well compensated in Manmadha Leelai and Kannamoochi, I guess. Also, the question of whether losing the likes of Sripriya and Jayachitra should be considered tragic, really?
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Nov 14 5:00:26 2008.

  Plum wrote:

  Add to that Sattam En Kaiyil where the french actress takes a bullet on his behalf. However, he was well compensated in Manmadha Leelai and Kannamoochi, I guess. Also, the question of whether losing the likes of Sripriya and Jayachitra should be considered tragic, really?

  
  
  
  Forgot Sattam En Kaiyil...vellaikaarchi would be interesting addition to that article. He was well compensated in many films!!! But selected memory rules for the day!
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Sat Nov 15 8:30:31 2008.

  ApOrva Sagodharargal
  
  ubayam: 10:30PM Hosur-Cbe TNSTC Bus (TamilNadu State Transport Corporation)
  
  (detail is to know.. whether, bychance, anyother hubber also travelled with me)
  
  Print quality & sound clarity: (i can see Pyramid logo)
  
  General:
  As, it was long time I saw this film & I have came across some good dialogues from VV section, I got interested & finally watched it till the end.
  
  When I entered in, the scene is, Sethupathy Kamal & Sri vidya are discussing about naming their child as Appadhurai.
  
  I guess.. most of the people in the bus watched the film as i cud find that from the "audience" response for some of the scenes involving Janakaraj in the later half of film (the time normally poeple wud prefer sleeping). In my seat (3 seater), the other two also saw the film completely (till 12:30 am).
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Sat Nov 15 8:45:35 2008.

  My views of ApOrva Sagodharargal:
  * A revenge story, filmed by adding more humour with a tighter screenplay without making audience feel bored. In this I felt the similarity with 10A.
  
  * First, a & for making "Kullan" character as the main hero.
  
  * Sri vidya: nE ammA-nu kOpiduradha kekkuradhukkuthAn nAn uyiroda irukkaen
  
  Here I thought Appu wud be shown first.. but there comes RAjA ..... ammA to Manorama.
  
  * For some dialogues, almost all the people in bus (i cud relate a lot to the discussion in Hub ).. like MGR-Kamal similarity, manorama about the twins etc.
  
  other than Janakaraj's, the dialogues that got good response:
  
  aththa vidu da.. aNNan baniyan size 42
  
  Kamal - Gauthami accident scenes
  
  Nagesh (expects Raja, but there comes Appu): ennada 3 adithan irukku, mEdhi 3 adi enge
  
  * In this, Kamal's height was told as 5f 8" (discussed about this in another thread).
  
  * I read that Crazy Mohan is the dialogue writer & also comes in a couple of scenes.
  one of the dialogue:
  Appu to Nasser: ungalukku gumbala aadura velayatte theriyadha.. thaniyAvE vandhu mAttikirEnga
  
  * Gauthami's character name is Janaki. I have noticed, in Crazy's plays, female lead either has the name Janaki / Mythili. Any specific reason? (sundar C used to name it as Indhu).
  
  * Since I started with the Killing of Sethupathy, I donno what wud be the roles of villains. Only Nagesh, had some scope for acting, as others are killed in regular interval, Nagesh alone left till the end of the film. Delhi Ganesh, Nasser & Jaishankar -- just came for a couple of scenes & got killed by Appu.
  
  * I noticed from credits, PC Sreeram is the camera man. Technically I donno to judge, generally I felt good for watching & I liked a solo still of Manorama (standing near a small window) in Annathai Aadurar song. Aachi should get a copy of that for her film album.
  
  * The scene that made me :
  The whole cycle starting from: Appu's reaction when Roopini marries her lover, Appu's explanation to Mouli, Appu's circus friends consolation & the following scene with Sri Vidya "nE kullama porakkuradhukku nAn sApitta visham-than kAranam"
  
  * Finally 3 of them left from crediting (AFAIC)
  
  1) Being a IR fan, Iam totally satisfied with songs & BGM
  
  2) I really want him to credit at the end, before the main man.
  He is Mr.Janakaraj
  Komali thanangal illamal sirikka veithar... This shud be his best comedy performance in his career / shud be in Top 3 (I dont remember other good performance of him)
  
  Me: Sir.. nEnga engeyo poyittEnga
  
  Jana: No silly feelings
  
  3) Last Man to be honoured:
  
  KamalHassan -
  
  For his extra-ordinary effort for Appu & also for his Screenplay, at no point it was boring. There may be some logical loopholes... but overall it was good entertainer & the film's success confirms this.
  
  Story- Panchu Arunachalam, Screenplay - Kamal.... I think I am right about this.
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Sat Nov 15 8:46:32 2008.

  I donno why Kamal thought of having a sirippu police for Janakaraj character, I was thinking how Vadivelu wud have done this character, as we have seen from Marudhamalai.
  
  Even though, Vadivelu cud have added some of his flavour.. but, I feel Janakaraj was apt for that
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Mon Nov 17 23:55:28 2008.

  HonestRaj wrote:

  I donno why Kamal thought of having a sirippu police for Janakaraj character, I was thinking how Vadivelu wud have done this character, as we have seen from Marudhamalai. Even though, Vadivelu cud have added some of his flavour.. but, I feel Janakaraj was apt for that

  
  
  Janakaraj was perfect. He and Sivaji could have gone on their own, like the Pink Panther series. I believe they sort of reprised the roles in a more recent flick, but was not good. Can't remember which film.
  
  This has been mentioned before but newer members should know this:
  
  When Tamizh films were reduced to being seen in pirated video cassettes, Apoorva Sahotharargal came and opened the cinema theatres again. We owe it to Kamal and his team (and the risk taking distributors, cinema owners, etc) for allowing us to view Tamizh films on big screen….sometimes even before Tamizh Nadu.
  
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Nov 18 0:49:34 2008.

  HonestRaj wrote:

  I donno why Kamal thought of having a sirippu police for Janakaraj character, I was thinking how Vadivelu wud have done this character, as we have seen from Marudhamalai. Even though, Vadivelu cud have added some of his flavour.. but, I feel Janakaraj was apt for that

  
  
  Vadivelu was not there in that period, it is really interesting when I start imagining Vadivelu in that role..
  
  But I feel Kamal would have gone with Janakaraj only even Vadivelu was there at that time..
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Tue Nov 18 0:56:06 2008.

  Cinemarasigan wrote:

  HonestRaj wrote: I donno why Kamal thought of having a sirippu police for Janakaraj character, I was thinking how Vadivelu wud have done this character, as we have seen from Marudhamalai. Even though, Vadivelu cud have added some of his flavour.. but, I feel Janakaraj was apt for that Vadivelu was not there in that period, it is really interesting when I start imagining Vadivelu in that role.. But I feel Kamal would have gone with Janakaraj only even Vadivelu was there at that time..

  
  
  ada theriyumunga.... just imagination thaan.. as he is the most popular sirippu police in recent times
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Nov 18 2:16:48 2008.

  HonestRaj wrote:

  * Gauthami's character name is Janaki. I have noticed, in Crazy's plays, female lead either has the name Janaki / Mythili.

  
  janaki, mythili and maalathi
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Tue Nov 18 3:43:06 2008.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  HonestRaj wrote: * Gauthami's character name is Janaki. I have noticed, in Crazy's plays, female lead either has the name Janaki / Mythili. janaki, mythili and maalathi

  
  
  i remember he said "Janaki" was his old school teacher and inspired him to become an artist.
  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on Wed Nov 19 8:54:52 2008.

  Watched Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu in Raj today.. Wondering y KB stopped doing such meaninful movies these days...
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Nov 20 14:01:57 2008.

  Vikram in tech satish
  
  Sathyaraj . Enna Nakkal ya, The initial scene where they hijack the missile and when he kills the sole survivor.
  
  Pogum podhu sollunga, ivanukku oru nimisham mouna anjali seluthitttu povom, aanalum kadamai thavaradha thyagi had me in splits. He asks vikram dharma to run and shoots the pot. Sathyama naan poo chedikku than kuri vechein. Inimel kuri thavaradhu illa . Perfect foil for Kamal.
  
  Many such one liners.
  
  VKR: In just one scene, Endha vilai magal magan adhai thallittu ponaan .
  
  Suajatha and his dialogs 20+ years down the lane and still it works. Many were just terrific. The supposedly MCP Content too !!!
  
  Ilayaraja . BGM is just fantastic.
  
  Last scene almost spoiled the entire movie . Eventhough i knew it was coming but still i couldnt stop myself from . I can accept it as 80's standards, but in a Kamal movie, well hmm.
  
  Kamal: Amazing energy throughout the movie. He is so suave, brutal in action and fantastic in dances. Could have cut meendum meendum vaa song was my only thought.
  
  Vikram - An entertainer that still works/always will work .
  
  

• From: kannannn on Thu Nov 20 14:06:00 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Could have cut meendum meendum vaa song was my only thought.

  
  adhayum thookita Dimple Kapadia edhukku?
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Nov 20 14:07:12 2008.

  hehehe...Vaasthavam dhan .
  
  Aana movie adhuvaraikkum pona speedae theriala. Sema fast. That song was kind of a speed breaker. Adhaan sonnein .
  

  kannannn wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: Could have cut meendum meendum vaa song was my only thought. adhayum thookita Dimple Kapadia edhukku?

  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Nov 20 14:19:45 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Janakaraj was perfect. He and Sivaji could have gone on their own, like the Pink Panther series. I believe they sort of reprised the roles in a more recent flick, but was not good. Can't remember which film.

  
  M. Kumaran s/o Mahalakshmi.
  They were boring.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Nov 20 14:22:10 2008.

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

  HonestRaj wrote: * Gauthami's character name is Janaki. I have noticed, in Crazy's plays, female lead either has the name Janaki / Mythili. janaki, mythili and maalathi

  
  
  Almost all Crazywritten movies have Janaki.
  
  In many movies directed by Sundar C, the heroine's name is Indu.
  
  summA oru podhu aRivu.
  
  

• From: complicateur on Thu Nov 20 15:15:14 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Many such one liners.

  
  
  One of which was "Preethi Preethi" much to the disgust of an unfortunate similarly named girl in college.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Nov 20 15:32:27 2008.

  Kambili
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Nov 20 21:52:58 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Vikram - An entertainer that still works/always will work .

  
  
  
  
  idhellam padam release aagumbodhu theriyadhu. .heard that it was a flop
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Nov 20 22:00:21 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: HonestRaj wrote: * Gauthami's character name is Janaki. I have noticed, in Crazy's plays, female lead either has the name Janaki / Mythili. janaki, mythili and maalathi Almost all Crazywritten movies have Janaki. In many movies directed by Sundar C, the heroine's name is Indu. summA oru podhu aRivu.

  
  
  I have mentioned it
  
  may be.. oru kalathula love panna ponnaga irukkum (for Sundar c)
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Thu Nov 20 22:10:10 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote: HonestRaj wrote: * Gauthami's character name is Janaki. I have noticed, in Crazy's plays, female lead either has the name Janaki / Mythili. janaki, mythili and maalathi Almost all Crazywritten movies have Janaki. In many movies directed by Sundar C, the heroine's name is Indu. summA oru podhu aRivu.

  
  
  Nice infarmation..
  
  Neenga general knowledge-le killadi, enakku general-ve knowledge kidayathu.. So thanks for the info.
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Sun Nov 23 6:10:12 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Vikram in tech satish Sathyaraj . Enna Nakkal ya,

  
  
  samiyar: anne thalaila thattadheeganne.. ellarum pakkuranga
  
  SR: sokkalal beedi kuduchittirundha neeyellam madhaguru
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Sun Nov 23 6:15:05 2008.

  saw the video of song:
  
  poattal padiyudhu (Sathya)
  
  cool dancing & the sequence where they travel in other side of bus
  
  want to mention one still:
  
  A close up shot, Cigarette pattha vechuttu theekuchi thooki veesuvaru
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Mon Nov 24 2:17:02 2008.

  Vetri Vizha on TV.
  
  Finally manage to watch the widescreen version…instead of the usual pan and scan version I have in VCD.
  
  Prathap Pothan’s reworking of Ludlum’s The Bourne Identity comes off nicely. Its more localised, plus I think he added lots of his own stuff rather than taking it directly from the source novel.
  
  Kamal is in great shape here, running, shooting, fighting, dancing, and looking really lost when he is grappling with his identity. Only grouse is the fake moustache. A man capable of coming up with great facial hairstyle (Hey Ram was dedicated to this), anything fake looks just that – fake. He should have gone clean shaven.
  
  Prabhu is nice, did a good job as a musician who becomes Kamal’s sidekick. The whole comedy track with Kushboo’s family could have been done away with. But they served some purpose and was useful in one getaway scene (thanks to Chinni Jeyanth).
  
  The real finding in this movie is Saleem Gosh. What an actor! What a voice (is it his own)? Can anyone forget that “Sit down, Stephen Raj” line? Awesome. He is one of the most original bad guy to come a long since Sathyaraj turned to the good side.
  
  After 18 years, Vetri Vizha is still watchable. Dated only by fashion sense of that time, the film still holds up.
  
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Mon Nov 24 2:24:59 2008.

  Opening scene
  
  Vikram dharma conveys over the fone that Agniputran is being transported to Sriharikotta
  
  SAathyaraj: Neenga Vathyangal ellam eduthutu poirunga, naan Muhurtathukku vandhu serndharein
  

  HonestRaj wrote:

  ajithfederer wrote: Vikram in tech satish Sathyaraj . Enna Nakkal ya, samiyar: anne thalaila thattadheeganne.. ellarum pakkuranga SR: sokkalal beedi kuduchittirundha neeyellam madhaguru

  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Nov 25 1:43:26 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Opening scene Vikram dharma conveys over the fone that Agniputran is being transported to Sriharikotta SAathyaraj: Neenga Vathyangal ellam eduthutu poirunga, naan Muhurtathukku vandhu serndharein HonestRaj wrote: ajithfederer wrote: Vikram in tech satish Sathyaraj . Enna Nakkal ya, samiyar: anne thalaila thattadheeganne.. ellarum pakkuranga SR: sokkalal beedi kuduchittirundha neeyellam madhaguru

  
  
  I heard sometime back that Kamal wanted Sathyaraj to play a villain role in Dasa!! Would have been very interesting..
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Tue Nov 25 2:11:54 2008.

  Vanithamani Vanamoghini
  
  
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Tue Nov 25 10:40:57 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Don't forget what Apoorva Sahotharagral did for us Tamizh film fans here.

  
  
  ????
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Nov 25 21:32:28 2008.

  Vivasaayi wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: Don't forget what Apoorva Sahotharagral did for us Tamizh film fans here. ????

  
  
  I said this in other threads, and I repeat here: At times when Tamizh films can only be watched through video cassettes (most of them were no longer available on big screen), AS was shown on theatre and it was a huge hit. It restored confidence amongst theatre owner and distributors here and finally new Tamizh films started to be screened here. Some of them even earlier than TN.
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Wed Nov 26 6:45:31 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Vivasaayi wrote: groucho070 wrote: Don't forget what Apoorva Sahotharagral did for us Tamizh film fans here. ???? I said this in other threads, and I repeat here: At times when Tamizh films can only be watched through video cassettes (most of them were no longer available on big screen), AS was shown on theatre and it was a huge hit. It restored confidence amongst theatre owner and distributors here and finally new Tamizh films started to be screened here. Some of them even earlier than TN.

  
  
  WOW, Great news..
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Wed Nov 26 6:47:30 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Vivasaayi wrote: groucho070 wrote: Don't forget what Apoorva Sahotharagral did for us Tamizh film fans here. ???? I said this in other threads, and I repeat here: At times when Tamizh films can only be watched through video cassettes (most of them were no longer available on big screen), AS was shown on theatre and it was a huge hit. It restored confidence amongst theatre owner and distributors here and finally new Tamizh films started to be screened here. Some of them even earlier than TN.

  
  
  
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Wed Dec 3 0:45:41 2008.

  http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=87ANhbjQBeU&feature=related
  
  watch it
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Wed Dec 3 1:16:15 2008.

  Vivasaayi wrote:

  http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=87ANhbjQBeU&feature=related watch it

  
  
  Very funny .. enjoyed.. Thanks Viv..
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Dec 3 5:31:18 2008.

  "En Jodi manja kuruvi" - Vikram
  Annan dance
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Wed Dec 3 6:09:39 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  "En Jodi manja kuruvi" - Vikram Annan dance

  
  
  Amjad Khan mespetomia.. espetomia.. jumpachami.. etc.
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Wed Dec 3 6:12:33 2008.

  How many songs are there in Sathya?
  
  I know,
  
  1. Valayosai
  2. Poattal padiyudhu
  3. An item song with VAli & group.
  
  only these 3?
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Dec 3 6:13:04 2008.

  yugoslavia, chekoslavia.. a-mississippi
  
  

• From: Raikkonen on Wed Dec 3 6:13:46 2008.

  HonestRaj wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: "En Jodi manja kuruvi" - Vikram Annan dance Amjad Khan mespetomia.. espetomia.. jumpachami.. etc.

  
  
  Janakraj
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Wed Dec 3 12:12:05 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  "En Jodi manja kuruvi" - Vikram Annan dance

  
  
  http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=oEChF9DdEo8&feature=related
  
  

• From: breadpuli on Wed Dec 3 20:33:16 2008.

  HonestRaj wrote:

  How many songs are there in Sathya? I know, 1. Valayosai 2. Poattal padiyudhu 3. An item song with VAli & group. only these 3?

  
  
  Yes - only 3 songs
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Wed Dec 3 22:01:39 2008.

  breadpuli wrote:

  HonestRaj wrote: How many songs are there in Sathya? I know, 1. Valayosai 2. Poattal padiyudhu 3. An item song with VAli & group. only these 3? Yes - only 3 songs

  
  
  ok
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Dec 4 0:13:30 2008.

  yesterday saw the deleted song from Apoorva Sagodharargal (u-tube)
  
  * The song was not at all catchy (from what i saw in 3-4 mins) compared to Raja kayya vecha & annathai aadurar.
  
  * I cud see Gandhimathi (guess instead of Manorama)
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Dec 4 4:52:51 2008.

  HR,
  I started liking the song the first time i listened to it but endha alavukku reach airukkum-ngaradhu kelvikkuri dhaan
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Dec 4 5:41:25 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  HR, I started liking the song the first time i listened to it but endha alavukku reach airukkum-ngaradhu kelvikkuri dhaan

  
  
  YES....
  
  from the video i saw, it was like the one taken in shooting spot... so sound quality was not that good.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Dec 9 1:57:03 2008.

  equanimus wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: On that note, let me answer the earlier question you asked, I will try to answer tangentially. Yes, I would be interested in seeing Kamal work with a director who is not in awe of Kamal. I second that. But I seriously doubt if it will ever happen. (I'm talking only about the possibility of working with a filmmaker of reasonable merit who's not in awe of Kamal, not Saran and the like.) I think Kamal is too much of a filmmaker himself to let this happen. On a side-note, unlike many Kamal fans, I'd not be that enthused to see Kamal work with Bala. Somehow, I think their artistic signatures would conflict more than a little bit.

  
  
  Very true. In fact I think my earlier statement is poorly worded. But was sufficient in the context of the question there.
  
  More elaborately:
  
  a) I would rather Kamal directs himself.
  else
  b) Strong director preferred to c)acolyte.
  
  
  When Singeetham, Santhabarathy direct it automatically falls under category 'a'
  
  

• From: Thirumaran on Tue Dec 9 1:58:38 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  a) I would rather Kamal directs himself. else b) Strong director preferred to c)acolyte. When Singeetham, Santhabarathy direct it automatically falls under category 'a'

  
  
  
  
  

• From: equanimus on Tue Dec 9 2:20:15 2008.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Very true. In fact I think my earlier statement is poorly worded. But was sufficient in the context of the question there. More elaborately: a) I would rather Kamal directs himself. else b) Strong director preferred to c)acolyte.

  
  I agree with this. A strong director (or a long time collaborator like Singeetam) over an acolyte is right (but not right on the money?). Incidentally, my comment on a Kamal-Bala association (if at all) was not just because both of them are strong filmmakers coming in with their own vision. In general, I think their artistic signatures are very different from each other.
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Dec 9 7:14:32 2008.

  Thirumaran wrote:

  Prabhu Ram wrote: a) I would rather Kamal directs himself. else b) Strong director preferred to c)acolyte. When Singeetham, Santhabarathy direct it automatically falls under category 'a'

  
  
  Nowadays Kamal stopped using Singeetham/ barathy.. any reasons..
  
  

• From: Amarshiva on Tue Dec 9 7:34:12 2008.

  His instinct would have told him not to use their names anymore,as ppl will easily understand who will be realtime director, incase he puts the below two names. Hence he stopped I guess. He is trying to use them in their movies. Santhanabarathi in Dasa ..
  
  
  

  Cinemarasigan wrote:

  Thirumaran wrote: Prabhu Ram wrote: a) I would rather Kamal directs himself. else b) Strong director preferred to c)acolyte. When Singeetham, Santhabarathy direct it automatically falls under category 'a' Nowadays Kamal stopped using Singeetham/ barathy.. any reasons..

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Dec 17 19:48:06 2008.

  Virumaandi
  
  Ennatha solla eppadi solla. Right from the jump start "Edhiringravan vaanathula irundhu gudhikaradhu illa, naamale uruvakiradhu dhaan" till the final poke into Kothalan. Padam Ponadhe theriala . Language slangs were spot on. Special mention is the usage of Telugu among the Nallamma Naicker clan. Dialogues were on the money. "ellam theriumnaa enaku ippo...... "idho idhu paper-ru idhu pena, Namakku sonna sonnadhu dhan". .
  
  Supporting cast-il meendum sadham aditha Writer- Director Kamal. Peikaaman(Mudhal padama idhu ), Kothala thevan, Napolean, Koyamuthur kondarasu, Abiraami, Rohini, Nasser and Gubir Jolly Brothers. Ellarukkum sethu oru .
  
  கமல்
  ஜல்லிக்கட்டு காட்சிகளில் அவர் காமிக்கும் உற்சாகம், அப்பத்தா இறந்து பின் அவரின் சோகம், கொத்தால தேவர் வீட்டில் நடக்கும் சண்டை காட்சிகளின் காட்டும் ஆத்திரம் மற்றும் பல காட்சிகளை சொல்லி கொண்டே போகலாம். 2:30 மணி நேரத்திற்குள் இவ்வளவு நடிப்பு பரிமாணங்கள். மனிதனுக்கு சாதரணமாகவே வருகிறது
  
  Ilayaraaja - BGM and Songs :Raajangam:
  
  எழுத்து -இயக்கம் - கமல்
  
  அதுல பாருங்க, இதுல பேசிகிட்டே போகலாம்.
  To quote hubber Kannann in this videohere
  
  "One of my favourite scenes from Virumaandi. Notice how a simple mirror is cleverly transformed into a line dividing truth and lies. That's Kamal for you".
  
  ஒரு பானை சோற்றுக்கு ஒரு சோறு பதம். Kamal, Please venture into full time Screenwriting and Direction. Ennamo ippo adhai pannadha madhiri
  
  One of the best Post 2000 movies.
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Thu Dec 18 2:10:25 2008.

  One of my favourite scenes in the movie.. Rohini starts the interview..
  
  Kamal - Naan ungala oru kelvi kekkarane.. Unga Ulpadi size evvalavu?
  Rohini - With Shock.. Stops for a min..
  The cameraman come near to her and tells madam, poyidalaam madam, vaanga..
  
  Rohini - Inda kelvi vendam.. Vera kelvi kelunga
  
  Kamal - oohoom.. Inda kelvikku padhil sollunga, ulpadi kadaikkaaran kettaa solreengalla..
  
  Rohini - Avankitta solluven, Unga kitta solla maatten..
  
  Kamal - Adhe thaan, enna sollanumo adhai court-la judge kitta solliyaachu, camera-vai thookkikittu kanda kanda..
  
  The way it was picturised and the shocking whcih Rohini shows... too good
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Dec 18 2:18:57 2008.

  Virumandi..... nan Chennai-la partha ore padam.. saw in Udhayam ..
  
  oru migavum arthamulla dialogue :
  
  "sandhosamna ennanu adha anubavikrappo theriyadhu"
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Thu Dec 18 11:04:39 2008.

  Hub standards ku indha acting ellam pathaadhunga
  
  
  

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Virumaandi Ennatha solla eppadi solla. Right from the jump start "Edhiringravan vaanathula irundhu gudhikaradhu illa, naamale uruvakiradhu dhaan" till the final poke into Kothalan. Padam Ponadhe theriala . Language slangs were spot on. Special mention is the usage of Telugu among the Nallamma Naicker clan. Dialogues were on the money. "ellam theriumnaa enaku ippo...... "idho idhu paper-ru idhu pena, Namakku sonna sonnadhu dhan". . Supporting cast-il meendum sadham aditha Writer- Director Kamal. Peikaaman(Mudhal padama idhu ), Kothala thevan, Napolean, Koyamuthur kondarasu, Abiraami, Rohini, Nasser and Gubir Jolly Brothers. Ellarukkum sethu oru . கமல் ஜல்லிக்கட்டு காட்சிகளில் அவர் காமிக்கும் உற்சாகம், அப்பத்தா இறந்து பின் அவரின் சோகம், கொத்தால தேவர் வீட்டில் நடக்கும் சண்டை காட்சிகளின் காட்டும் ஆத்திரம் மற்றும் பல காட்சிகளை சொல்லி கொண்டே போகலாம். 2:30 மணி நேரத்திற்குள் இவ்வளவு நடிப்பு பரிமாணங்கள். மனிதனுக்கு சாதரணமாகவே வருகிறது Ilayaraaja - BGM and Songs :Raajangam: எழுத்து -இயக்கம் - கமல் அதுல பாருங்க, இதுல பேசிகிட்டே போகலாம். To quote hubber Kannann in this videohere "One of my favourite scenes from Virumaandi. Notice how a simple mirror is cleverly transformed into a line dividing truth and lies. That's Kamal for you". ஒரு பானை சோற்றுக்கு ஒரு சோறு பதம். Kamal, Please venture into full time Screenwriting and Direction. Ennamo ippo adhai pannadha madhiri One of the best Post 2000 movies.

  
  
  

  Quote:

  Ilayaraaja - BGM and Songs :Raajangam:

  
  Padathula Ilaiyaraaja vum heron-nga, which is often the case with Raaja
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Thu Dec 18 11:19:55 2008.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Hub standards ku indha acting ellam pathaadhunga

  
  
  6 packs ledha
  
  // Kakkisattai exercise scene madhiri.. vera endha padathula ellam andha madhiri scene irukku?
  
  

• From: Anban on Thu Dec 18 11:31:53 2008.

  HonestRaj wrote:

  crajkumar_be wrote: Hub standards ku indha acting ellam pathaadhunga 6 packs ledha // Kakkisattai exercise scene madhiri.. vera endha padathula ellam andha madhiri scene irukku?

  
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Thu Dec 18 11:39:29 2008.

  Virumandi
  
  
  "peria manusana..namootla adhellam yedhu sithapaa"
  
  "yeppa peria manusaingala..mannichudunga.....pongadaaa"
  
  "ippo enna peria manusan illaingriya...nanum adhanya"
  
  "kari soruthana...nallamanayakana vettitharen"
  
  "nee senjalum seivapooo"
  
  "nee adhayum vaangi thinalum thinba"
  
  
  
  
  
  af
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Mon Dec 22 8:42:14 2008.

  Vivasaayi wrote:

  Virumandi "peria manusana..namootla adhellam yedhu sithapaa" "yeppa peria manusaingala..mannichudunga.....pongadaaa" "ippo enna peria manusan illaingriya...nanum adhanya" "kari soruthana...nallamanayakana vettitharen" "nee senjalum seivapooo" "nee adhayum vaangi thinalum thinba" af

  
  
  Intha vasanakartha Kamal - really added more value to Virumaandi..It was so natural with the nakkal and naiyandi ..
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Dec 25 22:51:21 2008.

  Sun TV screened Ullasa paravaigal on TV.
  
  The copy is clear, damned clear, compared to the ones they show in the local channel where the copies looked like they were kept in some college kids underwear drawer.
  
  Anyway, its nice to view this film in the exact colour it was shot and it looked fantastic. Europe in late 70s comes alive, and we have Kamal and Rathi as our guide.
  
  Yes, it’s an unashamed tourism movie…with flimsy storyline about Kamal suffering from flashback and has to go for some kinda treatment or another. Who cares? We want fun, and we get it in form of youthful energetic Kamal, beautiful Rathi and, most important of all, great music. What lovely tunes they are, Azhagu Ayiram, Germaniyil Sentheen, and the haunting Dheiveega Raagam. Ilayaraja in top form here.
  
  The tourism bit do go a bit too far, but as long as you still get Kamal on screen, its okay for us.
  
  However, there is a slight distraction in form of Kamal’s look. One, you get Ninaittaleee Inikkum long haired, moustached Kamal, then you get the shorter haired Mendum Kokila version. Certainly shot at two different period.
  
  Does anyone know any background story to this film? Like were there any production problem or something? Appreciate good trivia.
  
  
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Fri Dec 26 0:20:19 2008.

  groucho,
  
  the initial play by suruli and the supposed play by kamal were funny.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Fri Dec 26 21:35:57 2008.

  Viv, puriyileyee...
  
  You mean, Suruli playing mentally ill part? Well, Suruli is Suruli. Such a unique comedian..
  
  Anyway, trivia:
  
  According to an interview with Kamal (on singing, and his view on SPB) Tenggaai Sreenivasan was supposed to play the director. But Thenggaai was not interested, despite persuasion from Kamal...because SPB has done a song in Thengaai's unique style. Unfortunately, Thenggai couldn't participate. But somehow the song "Enggenggum Kandeen Ammaa" managed to fit VAM.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Mon Dec 29 17:46:00 2008.

  ajithfederer wrote:

  Virumaandi Supporting cast-il meendum sadham aditha Writer- Director Kamal. Peikaaman(Mudhal padama idhu ), Kothala thevan, Napolean, Koyamuthur kondarasu, Abiraami, Rohini, Nasser and Gubir Jolly Brothers. Ellarukkum sethu oru . One of the best Post 2000 movies.

  
  
  Thanks for a great review on Virumandi!
  
  Talking about casting, Kamal had V. Krishna Iyer (former Supreme court, Chief justice) giving his views on capital punishment at the beginning of the documentary!
  Likewise, in "Hey Ram", he had roped in Thushar Gandhi (grandson of Mahathma Gandhi) in the end Are we seeing some pattern here? Who will be next in his next directorial venture?
  
  

• From: hattori_hanzo on Tue Dec 30 15:28:51 2008.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Sun TV screened Ullasa paravaigal on TV. The copy is clear, damned clear, compared to the ones they show in the local channel where the copies looked like they were kept in some college kids underwear drawer. Anyway, its nice to view this film in the exact colour it was shot and it looked fantastic. Europe in late 70s comes alive, and we have Kamal and Rathi as our guide. Yes, it’s an unashamed tourism movie…with flimsy storyline about Kamal suffering from flashback and has to go for some kinda treatment or another. Who cares? We want fun, and we get it in form of youthful energetic Kamal, beautiful Rathi and, most important of all, great music. What lovely tunes they are, Azhagu Ayiram, Germaniyil Sentheen, and the haunting Dheiveega Raagam. Ilayaraja in top form here. The tourism bit do go a bit too far, but as long as you still get Kamal on screen, its okay for us. However, there is a slight distraction in form of Kamal’s look. One, you get Ninaittaleee Inikkum long haired, moustached Kamal, then you get the shorter haired Mendum Kokila version. Certainly shot at two different period. Does anyone know any background story to this film? Like were there any production problem or something? Appreciate good trivia.

  
  
  groucho,
  
  I have observed this in many of Kamal's movies made in the 80's. It could have happened due to production delays. There is one scene in which he comes out of the apartment, sits on his bike and chases the villian. When he comes out he has a long moustache and 'Niniathale Inikkum' hairdo but when he rides the bike he looks entirely different with shorter hair and trimmed moustache.
  
  Speaking of which, I happened to watch Kadhal Parisu last week. This movie too has the same issue. The scene when he gets released from the jail has been shoddily shot. He appears in 3 different 'getups' within 10 seconds - changing between Khakhi Chattai, Unnal Mudiyum thambi(Ottu meesai) and Punnagai Mannan hairstyles.
  There is a duet which follows this scene. Here he looks much much younger, as in Moondram Pirai.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Wed Dec 31 3:22:49 2008.

  Well HH, somehow it shows how much hair and facial hair can change his look. We can detect it easily. One thing that can’t stick (almost literally) on Kamal is fake moustache. You can somehow see it miles away. That damned thing always annoys me especially when watching UMT, AS and even Vetri Vizha. He had (and can have) the coolest ‘tache in the industry and fakes are always fakes.
  
  Also note that Rajini too had that issue. In some films (of that time) he either had real moustache or fake one, but it doesn’t bother me one bit.
  
  
  
  

• From: thilak4life on Wed Jan 28 3:28:57 2009.

  Link.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Wed Jan 28 4:03:28 2009.

  Thilak @ avatar "Genius and genious"
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Fri Mar 27 5:22:29 2009.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ZLZesrvnc&feature=related
  
  THE BEST!
  
  Especially after 6:00
  
  
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Fri Mar 27 6:04:39 2009.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvbAmMCjwBI&feature=channel
  
  "maanida sevia dhrogama kalaivaani neeye sol"
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Fri Mar 27 7:28:29 2009.

  His acting in the song is very very ordinary.
  In fact he seems quite beside himself in this film.
  
  He shines in the comedy scenes of course, with manOrama., the first encounter with MurugEsh (I am searching for a youtube clip of that for a long time - meesai veLlaiyA irukkA, adhaaan karuppu thookkudhu )
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Mar 27 10:48:42 2009.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  His acting in the song is very very ordinary. In fact he seems quite beside himself in this film.

  
  Yes, idhellam Per Sollum Pillai range of performances...
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Apr 6 2:39:19 2009.

  Must get the Guna DVD
  
  Brilliant acting
  
  
  நல்லா காவல் காத்தேன் போ....
  
  (yawn) எதுக்கு சாவணும் ?
  
  எம் பேரு குணா
  
  சத்தியம் பெருசா சங்கிலி பெருசா
  
  
  நீ என் அபிராமி.....வேற யாரோவாமே.....
  
  பொண்ணும் வெளியூரு...கல்யாணம் மட்டும் இங்க
  வேண்டுதலுங்களா ?
  விதி
  ஹெஹெஹெ....எல்லார் கல்யாணமும் விதிதேன் தம்பி.... நம்ம விதியை 1967லயே எளுதிட்டாக
  
  Extraordinary...no other word for it.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Apr 6 2:53:12 2009.

  Everyone tries to fit him into the logic of their world
  
  When Rohini tries to ask him about a possible love-failure, it is quite funny how the quick categorization mechanism works. When something is not a pre-defined box in the logical scheme of things, the normal person is under extreme discomfort.
  
  Not too different Ajay Ratnachandrashekar's concern that the ring he sports is a stolen temple jewel. What a minor issue in the cosmic scheme of things - but that is his prime concern. He cannot be any other way.To him that is all Guna is. Another runaway crook, petty thief with all the 'dizzying reductions' to do away with the complexities and to simplify understanding.
  
  Structure of mass media, interpersonal understanding cannot exist without such reduction. Every incident we read of has a life behind it with its attendant complexities we have no idea about nor time and inclination for. It is reduced a digestible blurb which cannot be more insulting.
  
  
  avanukku thuppAkkinnA puriyAdhu Saar
  SK: puriya vaikkirEn
  That is SK's response to Guna's alleged lack of understanding. That the 'normal' understanding can be brought about by force. The normal is so obvious and to not see/acknowledge it, is wilfully making things annoying. Guna's response is as hilarious as it is unnerving.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Apr 6 5:06:03 2009.

  PR,
  Guna: Nadippu - vaarthai illa, mudiyala
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Apr 6 5:39:31 2009.

  What has always truly perplexed me is the usual line of thought among some critics that, Kamal used to be good and natural in the 80s and went downhill as an actor in the 90s turning more and more self-indulgent and narcissistic. I greatly prefer the post-nAyagan Kamal in every sense! The 90s Kamal took himself as an actor way more seriously (even when he was servicing Kamal the filmmaker and his "indulgences" or what have you), the way I see it. The 80s Kamal is just too mediocre in comparison.
  
  

• From: Plum on Mon Apr 6 5:51:06 2009.

  Eq, truer words weren't spoken! I have been expressing similar sentiments in baradwaj's blog for long
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Apr 6 6:09:30 2009.

  And I think he is extraordinary in guNA. Impeccable dialogue delivery and body language. Sample the scene after the attempted deal with the Seth goes all wrong:
  
  "enakku oru paper kudu. nAn ainURu kaiyezhuththu pOduREn!"
  
  Just brilliant.
  
  And the way he starts mumbling, "varuvA, varuvA!"
  
  Criticising this as unsubtle, I think, is akin to equating understated characters and subtle performances.
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Apr 6 6:13:19 2009.

  Eq, Plum, kamal himself had often said " ippo pannum padangal gnyaayamaagavum, munne setha padangal, not so satisfied aagavum irukku"
  
  

• From: Plum on Mon Apr 6 6:43:44 2009.

  SKV, adhaane, namakke puriyudhunna, avarukku puriyamala irukkum?
  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on Mon Apr 6 7:32:34 2009.

  equanimus wrote:

  And I think he is extraordinary in guNA. Impeccable dialogue delivery and body language. Sample the scene after the attempted deal with the Seth goes all wrong: "enakku oru paper kudu. nAn ainURu kaiyezhuththu pOduREn!" Just brilliant. And the way he starts mumbling, "varuvA, varuvA!" Criticising this as unsubtle, I think, is akin to equating understated characters and subtle performances.

  
  
  my most fav line of the movie
  
  

• From: rajasaranam on Mon Apr 6 7:52:44 2009.

  for reminding.Will add this to my 'TO DO' list and move it to the top.
  It is one of those movies which made me a HC Kamal fan.
  
  Can Someone write this scene & dialogue correctly - 'Avanga vanthu kuruviya suttuntaanga, oruthan thooki marathula maatitaen'
  
  வன்முறை மிகுந்த இந்த திரைபடத்தில் 'கதை நாயகன்', வன்முறையை சற்றும் விரும்பாத தன் வழியில் குறுக்கிடும் மரங்களையெல்லம் வேரோடு புடுங்கி எறியும் புயலாய் அலைபவன். ஒணானை கொல்லும் சிறுவர்களின் வன்மம் கூட இல்லாத அப்பாவித்தனம் மிகுந்த கணம் அது.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Mon Apr 6 7:58:15 2009.

  equanimus wrote:

  What has always truly perplexed me is the usual line of thought among some critics that, Kamal used to be good and natural in the 80s and went downhill as an actor in the 90s turning more and more self-indulgent and narcissistic. I greatly prefer the post-nAyagan Kamal in every sense! The 90s Kamal took himself as an actor way more seriously (even when he was servicing Kamal the filmmaker and his "indulgences" or what have you), the way I see it. The 80s Kamal is just too mediocre in comparison.

  
  
  While I agree with this completely, I would like to mention that my fascination for his performance in nAyagan is boundless. The sheer range that a biopic made possible for him, the vareity of emotions, the shifts in body language that the time demanded of him make for immense appeal.
  
  And I am in the midst of a heady dilemma now. Blown away by the fine characterization in GunA and remarkable perfection of expression achieved by Kamal in this film.
  
  (sirippu) varudhE in the scene you mention, is the kind of line that challenges you to react 'appropriately'.
  
  "ulululA-vA ?" with annoyance and boundless joy when he sees his mother alive. Chance-E illai.
  
  I think I can only be in quote-mode with this performance.
  
  

• From: Plum on Mon Apr 6 8:02:18 2009.

  PR, Nayagan in 80's = maharasan in 90's - the exception that proves the rule.
  (actually, maharasan is not that bad...)
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Apr 6 8:20:16 2009.

  Difficult to single out scenes, actually... In my mind, the greatest performance ever.
  
  The look in his face he carries in the "kalyanam" background song bit, in the barber shop - without saying anything, says a lot.
  
  Innoru element which says a lot is Ilaiyaan's score
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Apr 6 9:00:09 2009.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  equanimus wrote: What has always truly perplexed me is the usual line of thought among some critics that, Kamal used to be good and natural in the 80s and went downhill as an actor in the 90s turning more and more self-indulgent and narcissistic. I greatly prefer the post-nAyagan Kamal in every sense! The 90s Kamal took himself as an actor way more seriously (even when he was servicing Kamal the filmmaker and his "indulgences" or what have you), the way I see it. The 80s Kamal is just too mediocre in comparison. While I agree with this completely, I would like to mention that my fascination for his performance in nAyagan is boundless. The sheer range that a biopic made possible for him, the vareity of emotions, the shifts in body language that the time demanded of him make for immense appeal.

  
  Oh, I most certainly agree. His Velu Naicker is a great performance. 'nAyagan' is a defining moment in his career, and that's why we've come to talk about "post-nAyagan" to begin with. One cannot posit a strict demarcation by putting nAyagan "here or there." When one talks about Kamal's performances post-nAyagan, it certainly includes nAyagan. Even though there were a few predecessors, I see it as one of the earliest films which has a Kamal stripped off all his pinup-boy showiness. (And of course, Mani Ratnam is the man when it comes to make the best out of his actors.) It's the rise of the filmmaker Kamal that happened after nAyagan. Either way, it is an important moment.
  
  

• From: equanimus on Mon Apr 6 9:14:26 2009.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  And I am in the midst of a heady dilemma now. Blown away by the fine characterization in GunA and remarkable perfection of expression achieved by Kamal in this film.

  
  Actually it's the fine, fine writing (with respect to the lead character and in general) that keeps me enthralled every time. I tend to take Kamal's performance for granted, only to wonder sooner or later how in hell he could pull it off the way he did! Mindblowing.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Mon Apr 6 22:00:51 2009.

  Guna - one of the most superior films ever to come out of TFI.
  
  Kamal performance patthi sollava? The overall direction? The cinematography? The music? Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. A single perfect package.
  
  I too don't have a single favourite scene. But in terms of technical brilliance, watch out how they show the Oiyla-hoy dance, the camera preening over like a hovering angel, straight to Guna's room. Awesome!
  
  

• From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Apr 6 23:53:40 2009.

  heyraam mumbai express mahanathi ellaam ok, but its onl for Guna such a class film that i had seen fans who are 'considered' as mass\frontbench fans, too praising the movie. not an easy feat at all
  
  

• From: Cinemarasigan on Tue Apr 7 2:24:31 2009.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Guna - one of the most superior films ever to come out of TFI. Kamal performance patthi sollava? The overall direction? The cinematography? The music? Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. A single perfect package. I too don't have a single favourite scene. But in terms of technical brilliance, watch out how they show the Oiyla-hoy dance, the camera preening over like a hovering angel, straight to Guna's room. Awesome!

  
  
  Dialogues written by Balakumaran added value to Kamals acting in this film ..
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Apr 7 2:39:00 2009.

  Cinemarasigan wrote:

  groucho070 wrote: Guna - one of the most superior films ever to come out of TFI. Kamal performance patthi sollava? The overall direction? The cinematography? The music? Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. A single perfect package. I too don't have a single favourite scene. But in terms of technical brilliance, watch out how they show the Oiyla-hoy dance, the camera preening over like a hovering angel, straight to Guna's room. Awesome! Dialogues written by Balakumaran added value to Kamals acting in this film ..

  
  
  Also overlooked part is the humour. One side, Kamal's own, and then the Sittappoo Janakaraj. A bad guy, but a funny bad guy nevertheless.
  
  Memories comes flooding back now. The mountainside, the cave, the asthmatic SPB, Janagaraj with bum in bandage, the nature, the guilt stricken whorehouse madam who is the hero's mother, the the noise from the dubious area they live, Ismail, the bone crunching stunts, and most important of all, the oblivious and pure Guna.
  
  18 years and Guna is still my favourite Kamal movie.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Apr 7 9:25:26 2009.

  One other thing I was amazed about was the cinematography.
  The sheer vareity of locales, pace of sequences and all , it was very well done. Who ?
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Apr 7 9:28:10 2009.

  yaaro Venu-vaam (thanks to kooguzh)
  
  Wiki doesn't mention Guna though
  
  

• From: equanimus on Tue Apr 7 9:28:16 2009.

  Venu. From the Malayalam film world.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Apr 7 9:31:20 2009.

  Was googling in parallel....seems big in Malayalam
  padam paakkurappavE theriyudhu
  
  Has anyone seen any other film by Sabjohn - am trying to validate Mani-Ramani of course
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Apr 7 9:36:01 2009.

  Compli paathuruppaaru sure-a
  
  

• From: equanimus on Tue Apr 7 9:40:29 2009.

  I've seen 'chAnakyan' when I was a kid, but don't remember anything except the "green room" catchphrase, the climax scene etc. Haven't seen any of the other films he wrote. But I think he should get a great deal of credit as far as 'guNA' goes.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Apr 7 9:40:44 2009.

  crajkumar_be wrote:

  Compli paathuruppaaru sure-a

  
  I pestered my former roomie once and he mentioned one Mammootty film which he said was unimpressive. But he was a theevira Mohanlal fan adhunaala full-A sandhOshappada mudiyala.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Tue Apr 7 9:42:13 2009.

  Oh, appo Murali Sir a kekkalaam
  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on Tue Apr 7 10:09:26 2009.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  Was googling in parallel....seems big in Malayalam padam paakkurappavE theriyudhu Has anyone seen any other film by Sabjohn - am trying to validate Mani-Ramani of course

  
  
  Venu did 'Minsara Kanavu' too.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Mon Apr 13 11:19:35 2009.

  Plum wrote:

  Cr, kamal vishayathula vivek apdi enna pannittapla. Enakku therinjadhu anniyan mutham joke onnu dhaan. Adhu kooda timing nallave irundhudhu. Sari, indha vishayathai inge pesa venaam.kqamal threadleye podunga

  
  Anniyan joke prachanai illa, at least for me. In fact, enakkum andha timing remba pidichudhu. (Anniyan comedy track is still very lol-worthy)
  
  Apart from that there are quite a few examples, notably, Kreedam and a recent crap movie where he attempts a Punnagai Mannan suicide jump. Thalaivar madhiri panra mimicry pidicha sirikkaravan dhaan... but what Vivek does is not likeable at all, for me. NT-madhiriyum remba panraaple...
  Idha thavira a couple of medai pechugal... Dr pattam vazhangum vizha and VV audio release function. Pretty loaded case file
  
  

• From: complicateur on Mon Apr 13 11:29:09 2009.

  equanimus wrote:

  I've seen 'chAnakyan' when I was a kid

  
  The only other Saab John movie I've seen. In fact until recently I dd not even know he was associated with it, thought it was Rajeev Kumar's through and through.
  
  BTW Bala - oru guNA series varappu-la armbichchEn. Planning a continuation shortly.
  
  

• From: jaiganes on Mon Apr 13 11:30:20 2009.

  Guna - I remember my thaatha who was a cinema mediator coming back from the preview shows all praise of Kamal - he said in one sentence ' Sivajiyai minjittan kamal' - And when I saw the movie I was simply blown away - very affectionate performance and that cave - 'Kodaikaanal' Guna cave that became a legendary spot in kodai was mind blowing too!!!
  
  

• From: Plum on Mon Apr 13 11:40:39 2009.

  Cr, ok - andha kodumai ellam naan paarkalai.
  Vivek in general has been a dead man walking for about 5 years.
  Sivaji recent-a paarthen - comedy scenes mattum - endha suvathla muttikaradhunnu theriyala
  
  

• From: HonestRaj on Mon Apr 13 11:48:32 2009.

  Yesterday Podhigai telecasted GUNA
  
  

• From: jaiganes on Mon Apr 13 12:16:05 2009.

  Guna is available for free viewing in BigFlix.com
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Jun 9 22:51:33 2009.

  Apoorva Saghotharargal @ Astro Vellithirai.
  
  Shocked to see the clarity of it on TV, considering the fact that most of the films shown on Astro VT looked like they've been soaked in cheap whiskey the night before.
  
  We all know about this movie, but allow me to type down a few thoughts.
  
  1. The flood gate opener.
  
  It has been twenty years since this film came to our shore and made fantastic collections enough to give courage to the distributors and theatre owners to start screening Tamizh films again (yes, video invasion killed the big screen market). I mean, even China Muthu managed to creep in. Good or bad, we Malaysian Indians owe Kamal and his crew a debt of gratitude (One such repayment is the success of Hey Ram here).
  
  2. Nods to MGR.
  
  I caught two. First when Manorama utters, "Vathyar Padam double act". Then, Appu during the song Puthu Mappilaikku, does the MGR gesture (index finger flip over the nose), obviously a nod to the songs inspiration, Naan Parthathile.
  
  3. The violence.
  Doesn't it occure to you that this is perhaps the most brutally violent film ever made in TFI? From the opening hacking of Sethupathi (who looks suspiciously similar to Indian's Senapathi), to the avenging methods employed by Appu. Forget Delhi Ganesh and Jai Shankar who died in easier way. But what about Nassar and Nagesh who were offered to the more ferocious cousins of domestic Tabby!I mean,one moment you are laughing your behind off at Nagesh during the "Ivalavuthan kedachuthu boss" moment or to the "Yaarada Rambo, avanaiyum yethunggada", then you see the old man ripped apart by the maned one. All I say is yay to cinematic violence. Subramaniyapuram my...
  
  4. Still working.
  Twenty years and the effect is still the same. The humour, the pathos, the action (IR's brassy score with Kamal doing the smooth fight sequence still gives me goosebumps), the music, and most importantly the on screen performances.
  
  5. Sentiment.
  I have special place for this movie in heart, for among other reasons, my first stage song was Unnai Nenechen Paattu Padichen...yeah, with beating heart, weak knee and all.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Jun 9 23:31:44 2009.

  groucho070 wrote:

  3. The violence. Doesn't it occure to you that this is perhaps the most brutally violent film ever made in TFI? From the opening hacking of Sethupathi (who looks suspiciously similar to Indian's Senapathi), to the avenging methods employed by Appu. Forget Delhi Ganesh and Jai Shankar who died in easier way. But what about Nassar and Nagesh who were offered to the more ferocious cousins of domestic Tabby!I mean,one moment you are laughing your behind off at Nagesh during the "Ivalavuthan kedachuthu boss" moment or to the "Yaarada Rambo, avanaiyum yethunggada", then you see the old man ripped apart by the maned one. All I say is yay to cinematic violence. Subramaniyapuram my...

  
  
  The most macabre being the scene where Jimmy mauls Nasser. Appu watches on with a scary brutal expression of enjoying it.
  
  There were some discussions here.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Jun 9 23:48:04 2009.

  Prabhu Ram wrote:

  The most macabre being the scene where Jimmy mauls Nasser. Appu watches on with a scary brutal expression of enjoying it. There were some discussions here.

  
  
  Saw this blog sometimes back and lost the link. Looks like I'm a late comer to the party. Why it intrigued me was the treatment and as you say, yes Kamal's look during the mauling, and your further analysis on the midget scorned. Awesome! Kamal's take on violence somehow transcends aesthetic level, that is the beauty of the violence in his film which is supported by great performances, stitched together by great script...as opposed to the violence in other, especially contemporary films which, to borrow your expression, was meant to "Shock and Awe".
  
  By the way: Sent the blog link to my brother, a huge Kamal fan, and my younger brother, a Kamal fanatic.
  
  

• From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Jun 9 23:54:37 2009.

  Groucho, you may know the name Sam Peckinpah (enakku per mattum dhaan theriyum) who was known as a pioneer for aesthetizing violence and presenting is authentically. Kamal once mentioned he was a big fan of his.
  
  The tiger drawing back Nasser...showing the mauled face and so much more in the movie were shock-moments in Tamil Films
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Tue Jun 9 23:58:44 2009.

  That's revealing indeed. Never knew Kamal was a fan.
  
  People often refer to John Woo whenever criticising violent scenes that has that trademark slow-mo and all. I'd say, it was Peckinpah who made it popular. The Wild Bunch climax
  
  

• From: Plum on Wed Jun 10 1:34:36 2009.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Apoorva Saghotharargal @ Astro Vellithirai. Shocked to see the clarity of it on TV, considering the fact that most of the films shown on Astro VT looked like they've been soaked in cheap whiskey the night before. We all know about this movie, but allow me to type down a few thoughts. 1. The flood gate opener. It has been twenty years since this film came to our shore and made fantastic collections enough to give courage to the distributors and theatre owners to start screening Tamizh films again (yes, video invasion killed the big screen market). I mean, even China Muthu managed to creep in. Good or bad, we Malaysian Indians owe Kamal and his crew a debt of gratitude (One such repayment is the success of Hey Ram here). 2. Nods to MGR. I caught two. First when Manorama utters, "Vathyar Padam double act". Then, Appu during the song Puthu Mappilaikku, does the MGR gesture (index finger flip over the nose), obviously a nod to the songs inspiration, Naan Parthathile. 3. The violence. Doesn't it occure to you that this is perhaps the most brutally violent film ever made in TFI? From the opening hacking of Sethupathi (who looks suspiciously similar to Indian's Senapathi), to the avenging methods employed by Appu. Forget Delhi Ganesh and Jai Shankar who died in easier way. But what about Nassar and Nagesh who were offered to the more ferocious cousins of domestic Tabby!I mean,one moment you are laughing your behind off at Nagesh during the "Ivalavuthan kedachuthu boss" moment or to the "Yaarada Rambo, avanaiyum yethunggada", then you see the old man ripped apart by the maned one. All I say is yay to cinematic violence. Subramaniyapuram my... 4. Still working. Twenty years and the effect is still the same. The humour, the pathos, the action (IR's brassy score with Kamal doing the smooth fight sequence still gives me goosebumps), the music, and most importantly the on screen performances. 5. Sentiment. I have special place for this movie in heart, for among other reasons, my first stage song was Unnai Nenechen Paattu Padichen...yeah, with beating heart, weak knee and all.

  
  
  Nice imagery...
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jun 10 5:33:11 2009.

  groucho070 wrote:

  my first stage song was Unnai Nenechen Paattu Padichen..

  
  
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Wed Jun 10 6:34:01 2009.

  Miga arumayaana discussion in that randramble blog. Ithana naal miss pannitten
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Thu Jun 18 21:00:08 2009.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoVx8T8au0k
  
  Check out this famous song of the late 70's from Kalyanaraman. KH looks so handsome even after sporting a bucktooth. KH/Sridevi are easily the "made for each other" pair on screen. Also, watch out for IR's teasing music during the third interlude.
  
  The memory remains still fresh in me of watching this blockbuster movie in Chennai Alankar theatre predominantly packed with ladies. Going down memory lane it is.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Jun 18 21:12:38 2009.

  Ah, Kalyanaraman, one of the early films I saw on big screen. I think I cried when Kalyanam was killed. Hey, I was a small kid, okay.
  
  MC, long time no see.
  
  

• From: Movie Cop on Thu Jun 18 21:21:53 2009.

  groucho070 wrote:

  Ah, Kalyanaraman, one of the early films I saw on big screen. I think I cried when Kalyanam was killed. Hey, I was a small kid, okay. MC, long time no see.

  
  Kalyanam was innocence personified. Though I didn't cry, it sure did create a lump in my throat when he gets killed by the bad guys.
  
  Yes Rakesh, office work plus some personal stuff is keeping me a bit away from the hub these days.
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Jun 18 23:00:10 2009.

  Kalyanam character was intact in the sequel, but Raman changed...sort of got arrogant, I thought.
  
  Hey, this thread is reaching its 100th page soon. Ethachum pannunggapaa.
  
  

• From: NOV on Thu Jun 18 23:13:12 2009.

  lock pannidalaamaa?
  
  

• From: groucho070 on Thu Jun 18 23:27:24 2009.

  Why ask me, I am a saatharana fan. Matta periya fans irukkangga, maybe some final words from them before moving on.
  
  

• From: crajkumar_be on Fri Jun 19 4:34:49 2009.

  Please continue here