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Topic started by MADDY on Mon Oct 16 18:56:45 2006. [Full View]

ManiRatnam's next release is Guru on december 2006.......he will start his Lajjo after that which would probably release around december 2007.......after that too, he doesent have a tamil movie in his hands.......he might do Mahabharath which will again be in Hindi........which means Maniratnam can, at the most, release a tamil movie by 2008 end..........which means he has been away from tamil for 4 years - (AE released in 2004)...........

now the big question is do people really want him in Tamil.......can he give a subject that can still make tamil ppl. come to theatres???? or does his style of narration still has space left in tamil cinema amongst all these Gautam Menons,Cherans,Selvaraghavans??

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From: Surya on Mon Oct 16 18:59:47 2006. [Full View]

No matter how many Gautham menons or Cherans ( ) or Selvaraghavans we have, Mani Rathnam has a class of his own! None of these other guys, as good as they are, can do a MR!
From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 19:07:58 2006. [Full View]

ya i need maniratnam & i liked maniratnam, the director before Roja who teamed with my isaignani ilayaraaja & played with middle class emotions. Eg: mouna ragam, thalapathy, nayakan, anjali,
agni natchathiram etc.

After that, in his movies, i can sense a kind artificiality (en karuthu) which i don't like it.

After Thalapathy period ..... i liked the scene in alapaayudhe where he uses the wall poster to say that shalini's father is dead.
From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 19:10:43 2006. [Full View]

Surya wrote:

Cherans ( )

there is no point in laughing as he does a decent film repeatedly & is better than most in the business.....
From: Thirumaran on Mon Oct 16 19:16:33 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

Surya wrote:

Cherans ( )

there is no point in laughing as he does a decent film repeatedly & is better than most in the business.....

That is what i too wonder Why that laugh when mentioning cheran
From: Surya on Mon Oct 16 19:20:31 2006. [Full View]

No offence to Ceran. I respect him a lot! He's one of my fav in the industry, I own all his DVDz but I didn't see the point of comparing him to MR, or Selvaraghavan, or Gautham Menon. Not saying that they're better or worse then him.

But their style is completly different. It was like comparing apples and oranges!

No doubt, Cheran is one of the Best, just not in this genre of movies, or atleast isn't so far since he hasn't tried.

From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 19:44:03 2006.

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Surya wrote:

No offence to Ceran. I respect him a lot! He's one of my fav in the industry, I own all his DVDz but I didn't see the point of comparing him to MR, or Selvaraghavan, or Gautham Menon. Not saying that they're better or worse then him.

But their style is completly different. It was like comparing apples and oranges! Very Happy

No doubt, Cheran is one of the Best, just not in this genre of movies, or atleast isn't so far since he hasn't tried.

The question is whether he is good or bad thats all.... no need to compare their styles..... what u say about barathiraaja (my fav) w/ 16 vayathinilae, kizhakke pogum rayil & sigappu rojaakkal, tik tik tik as some of his films.

maniratnam also, as i said earlier, pre & post roja, he is 2 different directors.

I feel gautham menon copies english style of narration & just 3 films besides his name, 2 of same kind

, 4th one also likely to fall in the same category. gautham yet to do more.

From: Surya on Mon Oct 16 19:54:52 2006. [Full View]

ya..but to say "No thanks, we have others" to mani rathnam who mainly does the genre of movies which is shared by GM, ARM, and Selvaraghavan, it isn't really neceerry to include Cheran.

I mean, if u were to say "No thanks, we don't want thangar bhachan, we have Ceran." that would make a lot more sense. That's all I meant.
From: Surya on Mon Oct 16 19:56:27 2006. [Full View]

Bharathiraja has done both types of movies..

TIC TIC TIC is more of a ARM, Gautham Menon, MR type of movie...where as 16 V is more of a Cheran/bala type of movie mayb.

BR did both genres!

From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 20:00:32 2006.

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Surya wrote:

Bharathiraja has done both types of movies..

TIC TIC TIC is more of a ARM, Gautham Menon, MR type of movie...where as 16 V is more of a Cheran/bala type of movie mayb.

BR did both genres! Cool

adhaithaan naan solla vandhen...... oru director'na kalavaiyaa irukkanum.... summa sonnadhaye thirumba thirumba ore maadhiri sollakoodadhu.....

Then u missed shankar!!!!

From: Surya on Mon Oct 16 20:02:23 2006. [Full View]

He kinda does the same too....Curruption from Gentleman to Anniyan..

But the way he says each one is AWESOME!
From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 20:02:36 2006. [Full View]

I think, MR is the only director who uses child artistes in a luvable manner in his films eg: anjali, nayakan
From: Surya on Mon Oct 16 20:05:52 2006. [Full View]

After a LONG time I liked a child artist. That was in SOK. The daughter charecter was chooo cweet!
From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 20:06:59 2006. [Full View]

Surya wrote:

He kinda does the same too....Curruption from Gentleman to Anniyan..

Idhaye naa slli irundhaa... fight thaan....

frankly i don't like shankar.....

he tries to be a mani ratnam but fails in emotional content which MR brings naturally.....also shankar adds a bit of double meaning jokes as a pepper..... uses a lot of make-up work like graphics etc.

the worst of MR films is Aayutha ezhuthu... (for me)
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 20:09:41 2006. [Full View]

Maddy, Ithu enna Kelvi !!

MR is the best director Tamil cinema has ever seen !! He's our PRIDE !! We certainly dont waana lose him !!! Ask any Superstar, he would want to act in a Mani movie for sure !!
From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 20:14:05 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

MR is the best director Tamil cinema has ever seen

cannot be accepted:

change it to:

one of the best director
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 20:15:04 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

MR is the best director Tamil cinema has ever seen

cannot be accepted:

change it to:

one of the best director

In my opinion, he is !! There is no comparison at all .. He's a REVOLUTION !!!
From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 16 20:17:20 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

He's a REVOLUTION !!!

if ur opinion means.... then OK.....

at each stage 1 fellow will do revolution.... no time to list...... i do tomorrow .. c u
From: bingleguy on Mon Oct 16 20:24:40 2006. [Full View]

Mani is a gift for Cinema....i believe his cinema is to be looked at and not just language... I feel it is not a go and come back for him in thamizh ... People always would look for his movies as a Maniratnam movie n not a hindi or a thamizh movie ....

Mani is a Genius !

From: nilavupriyan on Mon Oct 16 21:50:57 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

his style of narration has been seen and seen and seen in television and theatres in tamilnadu..but his films always have some expectation!

i want him to work with big heroes in tamil which will work-out...maniratnatoda work panna yendha hero vendam nu solluva...

but his last success is alaipayuthey...longtime

From: Nerd on Mon Oct 16 21:51:20 2006. [Full View]

I certainly want He is my most favourite director after mahendran in tamil industry
From: joe on Mon Oct 16 21:54:07 2006. [Full View]

Surya wrote:

Cherans ( )

what is there to laugh at cheran? He is a great director.
From: nilavupriyan on Mon Oct 16 21:57:08 2006. [Full View]

Surya wrote:

No matter how many Gautham menons or Cherans ( ) or Selvaraghavans we have, Mani Rathnam has a class of his own! None of these other guys, as good as they are, can do a MR!

only bala is of that class now!
From: joe on Mon Oct 16 21:59:29 2006. [Full View]

Autograph and Thavamai thavamirunthu are better than Alaipauthe kind of stuff
From: Sinthiya on Mon Oct 16 21:59:48 2006. [Full View]

yes! ....
why not!?
he's my fav...(actually, the only director i've known...)...

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:00:10 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

Surya wrote:

No matter how many Gautham menons or Cherans ( Laughing

) or Selvaraghavans we have, Mani Rathnam has a class of his own! Cool

None of these other guys, as good as they are, can do a MR! Cool

only bala is of that class now!

Bala is a GREAT director dude, no doubt !! But Mani is in a totally different league !! Mani can make any genre of movie !! His movies are not STEREOTYPES at all !!! Unpredictable class !!

From: Nerd on Mon Oct 16 22:02:02 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Autograph and Thavamai thavamirunthu are better than Alaipauthe kind of stuff

chEran is a great director, no doubt. One thing he lacks is versatility. Lets see how his new city based movie is going to fare !!

Its alrite that you dont like AP, thats not his BEST romantic movie, idhayaththai thirudaathE is there
From: rocketboy on Mon Oct 16 22:05:49 2006. [Full View]

IMHO Cheran and Bala are the best directors in Tamil film industry.

From: nilavupriyan on Mon Oct 16 22:07:18 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

Surya wrote:

No matter how many Gautham menons or Cherans ( Laughing

) or Selvaraghavans we have, Mani Rathnam has a class of his own! Cool

None of these other guys, as good as they are, can do a MR! Cool

only bala is of that class now!

Bala is a GREAT director dude, no doubt !! But Mani is in a totally different league !! Mani can make any genre of movie !! His movies are not STEREOTYPES at all !!! Unpredictable class !! Very Happy

but onething which makes bala look up..."originality"

anway...my favourite directors are 1.mahendran 2.maniratnam 3.bala

in my opinion maniratnam has been greatly inspired by mahendran's style!

From: joe on Mon Oct 16 22:08:19 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

joe wrote:

Autograph and Thavamai thavamirunthu are better than Alaipauthe kind of stuff

chEran is a great director, no doubt. One thing he lacks is versatility. Lets see how his new city based movie is going to fare !!

Its alrite that you dont like AP, thats not his BEST romantic movie, idhayaththai thirudaathE is there Thumbs Up!

Nerd,
I too like Mani in few exceptional movies like Mounaragam ,Nayagan ,Kannathil muththamittal ..But surya making fun on Cheran for no reason.

Even I am not impressed with Ithayaththai thirudathe ,except excellent songs by IsaiGnani ..But I know It was a huge hit among college students then .I know people watched this movie more than 20 times (Star theatre ,Trichy..you remember?)mostly for songs.

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:12:12 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

but onething which makes bala look up..."originality"

anway...my favourite directors are 1.mahendran 2.maniratnam 3.bala

in my opinion maniratnam has been greatly inspired by mahendran's style!

Mani is Mani's inspiration himself !! BALA has to go a LONG way to even be compared to Mani !! Bala's stories are all predictable, something abnormal and a sad ending !! And I think he only has made 3 movies so far right ?? But Mani, oh man, the list goes on !! And he's universally acclaimed too !! Almost any guy of any color will like his movies !!

From: joe on Mon Oct 16 22:15:39 2006. [Full View]

Regarding Alaipauthe,if you take out the songs ,it is nothing more than like a TV serial .Even 'Balumahendra Kathai Neram' is better than 'Alaipayuthe'.
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:16:54 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Regarding Alaipauthe,if you take out the songs ,it is nothing more than like a TV serial .Even 'Balumahendra Kathai Neram' is better than 'Alaipayuthe'.

Wonder what MADDY will say for that !!
From: Nerd on Mon Oct 16 22:19:58 2006. [Full View]

Joe

Dont ever use BM's kathai nEram to degrade something. IMO thats the best teleserial (or series of stories) I have ever seen in tamil

Well, I have to disagree with you on IT and AP. As usual lets agree to disagree
From: joe on Mon Oct 16 22:24:02 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Joe

Dont ever use BM's kathai nEram to degrade something. IMO thats the best teleserial (or series of stories) I have ever seen in tamil

Aha! you mistook ..Balu mahendra kathai neram is my all time favourite TV serial .What I am trying to say is ,Balumandra's TV serial attempt had better stuff than Manirathnam's movie attempt.

Never Mind! Let us agree to disagree
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:26:01 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Never Mind! Let us agree to disagree

That is sooo NICE of you guys !! That's a professional Discussion right there !!
From: Thirumaran on Mon Oct 16 22:29:18 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

joe wrote:

Never Mind! Let us agree to disagree

That is sooo NICE of you guys !! That's a professional Discussion right there !!

Seems this thread will not reach even 5 pages

JK..

There is no doubt we nee MR in Tamil and we need Tamil Audiences to come out of some usual Masala Craps and accept some real bold and great movies like Kannathil Muthamittaal, Ayutha Yezhuthu kind of stuff

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:32:16 2006.

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Thirumaran wrote:

There is no doubt we nee MR in Tamil and we need Tamil Audiences to come out of some usual Masala Craps and accept some real bold and great movies like Kannathil Muthamittaal, Ayutha Yezhuthu kind of stuff Smile

See the thing is with Mani, ppl EXPECT this kinda stuff, so they're not SURPRISED as much no matter how diff he does !! I think only IRUVAR and UYIRE were disappointments though right ??

From: Nerd on Mon Oct 16 22:35:35 2006. [Full View]

iruvar is a masterpiece, features in the Top 25 of a lot of people. Again not a LOT of people can like iruvar

From: Thirumaran on Mon Oct 16 22:38:17 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Thirumaran wrote:

See the thing is with Mani, ppl EXPECT this kinda stuff, so they're not SURPRISED as much no matter how diff he does !! I think only IRUVAR and UYIRE were disappointments though right ?? Crying or Very sad

Iruvar is a disappointment when we really see that movie as MGR and Karunanithi story. Just forget abt that and see the movie. It is a great movie indeed.

Also Uyire also i liked

The songs and picturisation of songs is more than enough the paise we spent on that movie

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:38:26 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

iruvar is a masterpiece, features in the Top 25 of a lot of people. Again not a LOT of people can like iruvar

I'm on that list dude !! I couldnt like IRUVAR and UYIRE of all the Mani movies !! I loved the songs, had a lot of expectations, but just dint work out !! I thought they were like some DOCUMENTARIES dude !!
From: joe on Mon Oct 16 22:39:03 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Again not a LOT of people can like iruvar

Yeah! I am one of them for various reasons.

Btw,I too want mani back to Kollywood.
From: Nerd on Mon Oct 16 22:43:26 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Btw,I too want mani back to Kollywood.

But I think all of us would have liked movies like mouna raagam, naayagan, thaLapathi etc..,
From: joe on Mon Oct 16 22:48:00 2006. [Full View]

Thalapathi ,I liked very much more for Rajini and mamooty..Eventhough the story and few scenes resembles Karnan and Deiva Magan ...Screen play ,Mamooty's majestic acting ,Rajini's well fitted character as adiyal and IsaiGnani's unbeatable music made the movie enjoyable.
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:51:16 2006. [Full View]

Filmography

Pallavi Anu Pallavi (1983)
Unaru (1985)
Idaya Kovil (1985)
Mouna Raagam (1986)
Pagal Nilavu (1987)
Nayagan (1987)
Agni Natchathiram (1988)
Geethanjali (1989)
Anjali (1990)
Thalapathi (1991)
Roja (1992)
Thiruda Thiruda (1993)
Bombay (1995)
Iruvar (1997)
Dil Se (1998)
Alaipayuthey (2000)
Kannathil Muthamittal (2002)
Aayitha Ezhuthu /Yuva (2004)
Guru (2006)
Lajjo (2007)

I mean, it's a COMBINATION of class, mass, action, comedy, sentiments, romance, etc etc !! You name it !! It's all there !!
From: groucho070 on Mon Oct 16 22:53:14 2006. [Full View]

I think MR wants international recognition. That is why he keeps doing Hindi films despite them being flops. Bollywood is a gateway to international fame.

If Tamil films are better known than Hindi films, maybe he'd stuck to Tamil. That is why I salute Rajini and Kamal, they are great in Tamil and they are instrumental in bringing Tamil movie out of India.

Of course, we want MR back in Tamil and making great films with our stars. I liked Ayutha Ezhuttu and I liked Kannattil muttamittal as well. Nayagan and Thalabathi are memorable because MR, the music, the cinematography and of course, the stars. Who'd thought that Rajini, after abandoning his actor status and embracing star status, would come back to his root and act his ar**e out in this film?
From: Nerd on Mon Oct 16 22:53:25 2006. [Full View]

One good thing about maNi is his music sense, 80% of his songs are superhits. If we take it albumwise, the soundtracks of ALL his movies are superhits, a rare feet which no one can even come close

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 16 22:56:02 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

One good thing about maNi is his music sense, 80% of his songs are superhits. If we take it albumwise, the soundtracks of ALL his movies are superhits, a rare feet which no one can even come close Clap

YUPP YUPP, very nice point !! His work with IR and then ARR !!!

He also doesnt really RELY on the Star Value to make a hit !! He makes the actors bend and act to his SCRIPT !!! Man, that's SWEET !!!

From: joe on Mon Oct 16 23:10:20 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

Yes! He is a great technician,who knows how to use other technicians to the fullest extend

From: Surya on Tue Oct 17 0:02:54 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Surya wrote:

Cherans ( )

what is there to laugh at cheran? He is a great director.

I didn't say anything negative abt Cheran. Please read the following posts if u wanna make sure.
From: Surya on Tue Oct 17 0:10:52 2006. [Full View]

IMO, The movies of Directors (Tamil) that I enjoy:

1. Manirathnam
2. Shankar
3. Gautham Menon
4. ARM
5. Kamal Haasan
6. Cheran

Thangarbachan (Except Azhagi) is down there somewhere with Ramana or Perarasu or something. For Some Reason I don't see him as a quality movie maker... Except Azhagi I didn't see anything great in Thenral or COA...

From: nilavupriyan on Tue Oct 17 3:39:10 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

but onething which makes bala look up..."originality"

anway...my favourite directors are 1.mahendran 2.maniratnam 3.bala

in my opinion maniratnam has been greatly inspired by mahendran's style!

not completely original ...he has that hollywood touch in lighting,screenplay etc...

oho...did u predict the ending of sethu...when vikram enters the abitha's home....did u expect nandha to be killed by his mom???

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 17 4:49:11 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Autograph and Thavamai thavamirunthu are better than Alaipauthe kind of stuff

Joe, trust me, i could not relate myself with the village-college romance shown in these movies but with AP it was .......the freshness in Alaipauthey was something unimaginable......i dont think Cheran can match Mani when it comes to depicting cheeky romance and also the freshness that Mani brings in is awesome......even the Trisha/Sid scenes in AE were out of the world.......

also, when i compare the heroes (around whom story is normally built) that these directors bring out......

Bala - Sethu,Nanda,Pithamagan - its almost like Kumudham's spot 6 differences betn the heroes
Gautam Menon - Maddy, Anbuselvan,Raghavan - again apart from Maddy other 2 were very similar......(kamal with his superlative perfromance stood out otherwise, the 2 wud have been very same)
Cheran - i really cant see much difference betn the Bharathi Kannama-parthiban, Porkalam - Murali and vetri kodi kattu heroes.....neither much diff in his characters in Autograph and TThavamirundhu......these characters give u the same feel........maybe different when analysed thouroughly.......

wat i'm saying is these guys dont bring variety like Mani does whose heroes range from a henchman Murali to a computer engineer Rishikumar(Roja) to MGR-Karunanidhi in Iruvar......

but again,i'm doubtful whether he has any audience left in todays tamil films.......
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Oct 17 4:54:16 2006. [Full View]

Apart from nayakan, the two top classics mani has giver are Anjali and Kannathil Muthamittaal

but the bantha and peela he has in his words make me irr so that there shall be new and better gen x ppl who can deliver the godies, let mani stay in bollywood itself, unless he changes his attitudes

From: leosimha on Tue Oct 17 5:06:48 2006.

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sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

Apart from nayakan, the two top classics mani has giver are Anjali and Kannathil Muthamittaal

but the bantha and peela he has in his words make me irr so that there shall be new and better gen x ppl who can deliver the godies, let mani stay in bollywood itself, unless he changes his attitudes

what bandha and peela did he utter which made you irritate.....can you pls tell me...

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 17 5:06:52 2006.

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sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

but the bantha and peela he has in his words make me irr so that there shall be new and better gen x ppl who can deliver the godies, let mani stay in bollywood itself, unless he changes his attitudes

i dunno which bandha u r talking abt??? did u see Gautam's interview in Vijay TV after V V release...he told that V V is the best movie technically in the recent times and also added that no body can take a better movie than him now......wat bullshit.....

Cheran says Rajkiran is a better actor than Vikram - if u wanna appreciate Rajkiran u shuld have done it without degrading someone.......again crap he talks...

bala - bloody SOB - he shuld be banned from Tamil after wat he did to Ajith........

boss, Mani is infact the most humble person compared to his contemporaries like BR,KB.......

From: joe on Tue Oct 17 5:21:08 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

Joe, trust me, i could not relate myself with the village-college romance shown in these movies but with AP it was ........

No Problem ,but I could relate myself ,since I lived the village life
From: leosimha on Tue Oct 17 5:35:41 2006. [Full View]

mani...pls bring the actor in vijay.....if you sign up vijay....then surely i will go for this movie to see vijay act in your direction in a theatre after a very very long time...

From: Aandavan on Tue Oct 17 5:37:05 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Maddy, Ithu enna Kelvi !! Shocked

MR is the best director Tamil cinema has ever seen !! He's our PRIDE !! We certainly dont waana lose him !!! Ask any Superstar, he would want to act in a Mani movie for sure !!

Not Worthy

crap

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 7:01:11 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

BARATHIRAAJA

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 7:07:25 2006. [Full View]

leosimha wrote:

mani...pls bring the actor in vijay.....if you sign up vijay....then surely i will go for this movie to see vijay act

along with his trade mark kuthu song
From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 7:10:02 2006. [Full View]

If MR does another movie it should be with Kamal/any other senior actor...I am tired of him experimenting with the younger lot...nothing clicked except Ap(which was also a pathetic attempt IMHO)

From: Hulkster on Tue Oct 17 7:14:05 2006.

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raaja_rasigan wrote:

Nerd wrote:

BARATHIRAAJA Rolling Eyes

BR is better certainly...he has worked with even more MDs and extracted music from them...Devendran,Hamsalekha,Vidyasagar etc.

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 7:23:37 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

but onething which makes bala look up..."originality"

anway...my favourite directors are 1.mahendran 2.maniratnam 3.bala

in my opinion maniratnam has been greatly inspired by mahendran's style!

bala is one director who dares to do the film with the stories others won't do.

If u see an english film like that of bala's type (for eg; pithamagan), then u all will say,
"hmmm... eppadhaan thamil cinema thirundha pogudho.... 5 paattu, 5 fightu, comedy, kavarchi etc. englishkaarana paaru oru vettiyaana vechu padam edukkuraan.... ulagathula ethanai kadhai irukku... englishkaaran englishkaaran dhaan".....

atleast give a round of applause for Bala, for not exposing the female skin. simran'a complete dress'oda kuthu aattam aadavittadhu avaraathaan irukkum

From: Hulkster on Tue Oct 17 7:29:14 2006. [Full View]

The problem with us is we want tamil films to be that of hollywood. I think kamal has highlighted this problem before and let me state it.

Hollywood have their own identity and so does kollywood...if we become like them where is the originality and identity? Already bollywood has become a indian replica of hollywood with their story style and the glamour in the films. Let us not thread their path as well and be abit original. Even with five songs a tamil film can still be critically acclaimed internationally.
From: Hulkster on Tue Oct 17 7:35:08 2006. [Full View]

Being a good director means being able to bring a story/script to life before the audience and make them appreciate. Note that a good director is not related to how good a script is. It is the way he shows the script before the audience that proves his capability. In that sense Maniratnam is a excellent director indeed..one of the few directors alongside Mahendran/Balu Mahendra who can portray emotions very well which is now being explore further by selvaraghavan .

If selvaraghavan continues in tamil, then maybe we dunt need mani seeing that selva is a much more advanced version of mani...but still we have bala,mishkin,cheran,gautham menon,karu palaniappan,vishnuvardhan,balaji shakthivel and shankar plus a few more to name. Perhaps if Mani makes a movie with rajini and kamal then we can welcome him back...but till then we have a list of directors to take us to the next stage.

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 7:41:06 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

By predictable, I meant a SAD ending in each movie !!

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 7:42:00 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Maddy, Ithu enna Kelvi !! Shocked

MR is the best director Tamil cinema has ever seen !! He's our PRIDE !! We certainly dont waana lose him !!! Ask any Superstar, he would want to act in a Mani movie for sure !!

Not Worthy

crap

From a GENIUS !!! Understandable !!

From: leosimha on Tue Oct 17 7:43:45 2006.

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raaja_rasigan wrote:

leosimha wrote:

mani...pls bring the actor in vijay.....if you sign up vijay....then surely i will go for this movie to see vijay act

along with his trade mark kuthu song Wink

not one...let us have 5 kuthu songs in the great maniratnam's movie

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 7:44:16 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

The problem with us is we want tamil films to be that of hollywood. I think kamal has highlighted this problem before and let me state it.

Hollywood have their own identity and so does kollywood...if we become like them where is the originality and identity? Already bollywood has become a indian replica of hollywood with their story style and the glamour in the films. Let us not thread their path as well and be abit original. Even with five songs a tamil film can still be critically acclaimed internationally. Cool

ya i too accept ur post but our people (kollywood) start copying & try to match bollywood & it is pathetic

From: jaiganes on Tue Oct 17 8:06:59 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

joe wrote:

Autograph and Thavamai thavamirunthu are better than Alaipauthe kind of stuff

Joe, trust me, i could not relate myself with the village-college romance shown in these movies but with AP it was Cool

.......the freshness in Alaipauthey was something unimaginable......i dont think Cheran can match Mani when it comes to depicting cheeky romance and also the freshness that Mani brings in is awesome......even the Trisha/Sid scenes in AE were out of the world.......

also, when i compare the heroes (around whom story is normally built) that these directors bring out......

Bala - Sethu,Nanda,Pithamagan - its almost like Kumudham's spot 6 differences betn the heroes Laughing

Gautam Menon - Maddy, Anbuselvan,Raghavan - again apart from Maddy other 2 were very similar......(kamal with his superlative perfromance stood out otherwise, the 2 wud have been very same)
Cheran - i really cant see much difference betn the Bharathi Kannama-parthiban, Porkalam - Murali and vetri kodi kattu heroes.....neither much diff in his characters in Autograph and TThavamirundhu......these characters give u the same feel........maybe different when analysed thouroughly.......

wat i'm saying is these guys dont bring variety like Mani does whose heroes range from a henchman Murali to a computer engineer Rishikumar(Roja) to MGR-Karunanidhi in Iruvar......

but again,i'm doubtful whether he has any audience left in todays tamil films.......

Maddy Machaan
MR formula!!
1. Chirpy , talkative youg lady who is a feminist to the core (divya in MR, Roja in Roja, Trisha's stupid role or Esha Deol's equally stupid role in Ayitha ezuthu, Girija in Idhayathai Thirudaadhae, second Aish in Iruvar etc.,)
2. Really stupid and adhigaprasangi children (thulrais as I call them), Anjali gang, Kannathil muthamitaal stupid child, Idhayathai thirudaadhae gang
3. Sensitive father of a girl.(Ra.Shankaran in MR and irritating dumb guy shalini's father in AP)
4. Insensitive father of the boy ( Nasser in Bombay, Pramid natarajan in AP)
These are stereo types in any MR movie, just cut copy and paste. KB's ladies were the same. With MR also it is the same. They are all predictable.
Dialogues cut copy and paste, predictable and boring.
Conclusion - always long drawn out, yawn innspiring (Kannathil muthamittaal, AE (how many climaxes were there? bombay - what is the climax, Thalapathy - Honest collector lets his killer brother go scott free!!! Roja - mind change of miraculous proportions for the terrorist leader - now we know what they are capable of, just make an emotional plea to them, they will divert their plane from the building - stupid.)

Only difference MR gave when he was ruling TFM- He made films less verbal and more visual that is simple extension of Mahendran and Balu Mahendra. He was different then, but not anymore. In terms of raw intensity and parallel interpretations of human character - Bala beats him black and blue. In terms of earthy movies with traditional touch Cheran rips miles ahead. Where MR scores is in representing Multiplex movie NRI segment. He is the king there. Gladly this segment is moving away from Thamizh films and they are into the bollywood glitz that is sweeping the nation. Simultaneously their caterer mani also has moved to segments up north. Thanks but no thanks. We dont want MR in Kollywood.

From: Aandavan on Tue Oct 17 8:22:57 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Maddy, Ithu enna Kelvi !! Shocked

MR is the best director Tamil cinema has ever seen !! He's our PRIDE !! We certainly dont waana lose him !!! Ask any Superstar, he would want to act in a Mani movie for sure !!

Not Worthy

crap

From a GENIUS !!! Understandable !! Laughing

we call him saturdayratnam

From: nilavupriyan on Tue Oct 17 8:35:06 2006. [Full View]

anjali is not a great movie...it dint portray the children part greatly....showy!

i cant rememebr even a single good children movie in tamil!
From: kidils on Tue Oct 17 8:35:55 2006. [Full View]

MR is LIGHT YEARS ahead of other kollywood directors.... there is simply no camparison....
From: nilavupriyan on Tue Oct 17 8:39:19 2006. [Full View]

MADDY....mani's charectirization are also similar..

alaipayuther maddy
mouna ragam karthik
idhayathai thirudadhey nagarjun
aayudha ezhuthu sidharth

every director have similar charecters in their movies...bala is not the only guy!
From: nilavupriyan on Tue Oct 17 8:40:35 2006. [Full View]

kidils wrote:

MR is LIGHT YEARS ahead of other kollywood directors.... there is simply no camparison....
From: nilavupriyan on Tue Oct 17 8:44:10 2006. [Full View]

maniratnam films never brings us to a mood...its like a decorated portrait...we feel it beautiful...but none of his movies are like sethu(bala),,moondram pirai(balumahendra),mullummalarum(mahendran),16 vayadhiniley(barathiraja)...

From: dsath on Tue Oct 17 8:46:15 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

That was a very good analysis, my thoughts exactly. We could do with directors with a more down to earth approach. Having said that Mani's movies are enjoyable and his Mouna Ragam will always be one of my favorites.

From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 9:23:01 2006.

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From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 10:06:00 2006. [Full View]

Huh bAlA better than maNi...

Agreed that sEthu was out of the world and thats his best and I think everyone is with me on this !!

Whats nandha ?? Even worse what was vikram's chharacter in PM ?? A moron ?? Those two movies are pathetic attempts, only YSR/IR's bgm could save those. And of course surya was phenominal in both

OTOH, I saw someone commenting bad about anjali.. FYI it was sent to the oscars and it was widely appreciated..

Children being athigaprasangis ?? If the same thing comes in an english movie (they ve been doing this right from To kill a mockingbird) you guys will appreciate and enjoy.

And all those KH fans who are throwing mud on him, you guys dint find a single -ve aspect in naayagan?? Just coz KH had acted in it, isnt it ?? What a rip off from Godfather... Even KH was made to speak like brando

Hence all ur opinions are biased since he has stopped working with IR (KH's fav). Is it a sin, guys ??
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 10:09:22 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Huh bAlA better than maNi...

It's SAD, Mani is compared to Bala in the first place !!
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 10:15:32 2006. [Full View]

Bala and Mani

Bala is no versatile. IMO Pithamagan was a JOKE. Vikram's character was a JOKE, anybody seen a character like that? (I'm not talking about vikram but the chracter only..hmm)

The the basic of Pithamagan was stolen from Kaasi.

Kasi likes his sister a lot, Chithan likes his friend a lot. The villan, who vikram believe is good, betrays vikram.(both films). All of a sudden, Kasi's sister is found dead and in PM Surya is found dead. the hero goes like he's not aware of who killed the person, all of a sudden he beat the heq out of the villan. even the ending is similar, chithan utters the same(almost) dialogue as kasi did in the ending and leaves the place.

Mani may not be the best but better than Cheran and Bala
From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 10:15:35 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Nerd wrote:

Huh bAlA better than maNi...

It's SAD, Mani is compared to Bala in the first place !!

but u also said he is MR is best ever in tamil film industry....

then others?... they haven't given any classics.....

can u ignore SRIDHAR..... one of the best entertainer
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 10:17:11 2006. [Full View]

pardon me if i didn't write/explain it properly there. kinda busy.. if needed i'll rewrite it later

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 10:17:11 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

maniratnam films never brings us to a mood...its like a decorated portrait...we feel it beautiful...but none of his movies are like sethu(bala),,moondram pirai(balumahendra),mullummalarum(mahendran),16 vayadhiniley(barathiraja)...

naayakan

upto thalapathy..... i like MR

From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 10:19:01 2006. [Full View]

guys u can give one movie for Bala and one for Cheran

Naayakan for Mani. what do you say?
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Oct 17 10:23:01 2006. [Full View]

Fav Mani movies:
Nayagan, Kannathil Muthamittal
Mouna Ragam - Parts
Thalabadhi - Parts

I'd like to see Mani do a village subject because i feel that's his achilles heel...

Speaking about characterizations Mani's characters ARE repititive but in that case, Bala's characterization was atrocious in Pithamagan [Sithan]. IMO Bala is a very good director but not necessarily a very good writer. I say 'a very good director' because i love the intensity in his movies [Balu Mahendra school] and his somewhat unique sense of humor [dark sometimes] in his films.

And while Brando was a man of few words, who almost never showed his emotions Kamal's interpretation was very much different. Of course Nayagan had its flaws [by the way i'm not a big fan of the (in)famous crying scene, but only by His standards]. The biggest blooper is that Velu Naikar is not able to speak Hindi inspite of living virtually his entire life in Mumbai

Mani's movies are to a great extent 'carried' by the MDs [IR rules in songs/BGM, ARR in songs] and at the same time, he has the ability to get the best out of these two geniuses.

Mani - Good IMO, but not the best...

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 10:23:48 2006.

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raaja_rasigan wrote:

but u also said he is MR is best ever in tamil film industry....

then others?... they haven't given any classics.....

can u ignore SRIDHAR..... one of the best entertainer

I also said Best Ever IN MY MIND !!! I never said it was the UNIVERSAL TRUTH and everybody should agree to that, Did I ??

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 10:25:08 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

pardon me if i didn't write/explain it properly there. kinda busy.. if needed i'll rewrite it later

No no, Do your WORK later !! We need you HERE !!

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 10:27:27 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

raaja_rasigan wrote:

but u also said he is MR is best ever in tamil film industry....

then others?... they haven't given any classics.....

can u ignore SRIDHAR..... one of the best entertainer

I also said Best Ever IN MY MIND !!! I never said it was the UNIVERSAL TRUTH and everybody should agree to that, Did I ?? Rolling Eyes

similarly everyone can compare anyone.... even they can compare with perarasu....

From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 17 10:29:21 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

similarly everyone can compare anyone.... even they can compare with perarasu....

Perarasu is incomparable. No one can make movies like perarasu He is the best of the bests
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 10:31:59 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

similarly everyone can compare anyone.... even they can compare with perarasu....

PLSSSS !!! Go ahead and compare Mani with Perarasu !! We're not Stopping anybody !!!

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 10:43:54 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

raaja_rasigan wrote:

similarly everyone can compare anyone.... even they can compare with perarasu.... Wink

PLSSSS !!! Go ahead and compare Mani with Perarasu !! We're not Stopping anybody !!! Laughing

idhu nalla pullaikkau azhagu

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 10:44:46 2006.

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raaja_rasigan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

raaja_rasigan wrote:

similarly everyone can compare anyone.... even they can compare with perarasu.... Wink

PLSSSS !!! Go ahead and compare Mani with Perarasu !! We're not Stopping anybody !!! Laughing

idhu nalla pullaikkau azhagu Laughing

Saringa naaa !! Dint even know you were 25 dude !! The way you were writing, I thought yo'd be some 40 to 45 !!! Keep up the work !!

Back to Mani, the REVOLUTION !!

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 11:00:41 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

I thought yo'd be some 40 to 45 !!!

AYYOO

From: jaiganes on Tue Oct 17 13:47:42 2006.

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alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Fav Mani movies:
Nayagan, Kannathil Muthamittal
Mouna Ragam - Parts
Thalabadhi - Parts

I'd like to see Mani do a village subject because i feel that's his achilles heel...

Speaking about characterizations Mani's characters ARE repititive but in that case, Bala's characterization was atrocious in Pithamagan [Sithan]. IMO Bala is a very good director but not necessarily a very good writer. I say 'a very good director' because i love the intensity in his movies [Balu Mahendra school] and his somewhat unique sense of humor [dark sometimes] in his films.

And while Brando was a man of few words, who almost never showed his emotions Kamal's interpretation was very much different. Of course Nayagan had its flaws [by the way i'm not a big fan of the (in)famous crying scene, but only by His standards]. The biggest blooper is that Velu Naikar is not able to speak Hindi inspite of living virtually his entire life in Mumbai

Mani's movies are to a great extent 'carried' by the MDs [IR rules in songs/BGM, ARR in songs] and at the same time, he has the ability to get the best out of these two geniuses.

Mani - Good IMO, but not the best...

AA!
I will take only your post on Vikram's characterisation in PM for serious discussion. The previous posts on the same from ppl showed , to simply put a lack of understanding.
Sithan's character is inspired by a lagendary character in Jayakanthan's short stories. He is a vettiyan who burns corpses and buries bodies of little children. He does it without a least bit of remorse. He sings "nandhavanathil or Aandi" when burying bodies. However when his own child dies, he buries it and sings the same song, however this time he is in all tears. This short story is expanded into a beautiful, dark and earthy essay in celluloid by Bala. He doesnt write but etches these characters in a way that is far different from stereotype. He moulded the same story into a "Edward Scissorhands" type of story (please compare Tim Burton's visual style wit Bala's). The reflections coming out of his(Bala) own life of addiction and redemption make viewing a movie like PM all the more interesting.

From: nilavupriyan on Tue Oct 17 13:51:06 2006.

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imsai wrote:

Bala and Mani ROTFL

Bala is no versatile. IMO Pithamagan was a JOKE. Vikram's character was a JOKE, anybody seen a character like that? (I'm not talking about vikram but the chracter only..hmm)

The the basic of Pithamagan was stolen from Kaasi.

Kasi likes his sister a lot, Chithan likes his friend a lot. The villan, who vikram believe is good, betrays vikram.(both films). All of a sudden, Kasi's sister is found dead and in PM Surya is found dead. the hero goes like he's not aware of who killed the person, all of a sudden he beat the heq out of the villan. even the ending is similar, chithan utters the same(almost) dialogue as kasi did in the ending and leaves the place.

Mani may not be the best but better than Cheran and Bala Cool

accepted

From: rocketboy on Tue Oct 17 14:04:10 2006. [Full View]

Cheran's works are original not inspired, unlike Mani's ( Nayagan - God Father- A rip off. Dhalapathi - Mahabharatham). Originality illa
From: nilavupriyan on Tue Oct 17 14:05:39 2006. [Full View]

rocketboy wrote:

Cheran's works are original not inspired unlike Mani's ( Nayagan - God Father- A rip off. Dhalapathi - Mahabharatham). Originality illa

alaipayuthey screenplay,ayutha ezhuthu screenplay etc...but cheran...uhum....mani is ahead though he is inspired easily
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 14:06:21 2006. [Full View]

rocketboy wrote:

Cheran's works are original not inspired unlike Mani's ( Nayagan - God Father- A rip off. Dhalapathi - Mahabharatham). Originality illa

RB, at the end of the day, whether it's an adaptation or rip-off, the end product has to be good !!! Ppl dont really think abt whether the movie was an original or adapation if they liked it, while walkin out of the theatre !!

Also, there is no world without ADAPTATIONS !!! You know, most of technology (except Software Codes) and business models we have in India are from the US !!!
From: rocketboy on Tue Oct 17 14:09:59 2006. [Full View]

Ayudha ezhuthu - based on the true life of a student union leader from Osmania university. He died fighting injustice.

Regarding Alaypayuthe whats so great about the movie?

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 14:12:19 2006.

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rocketboy wrote:

Ayudha ezhuthu - based on the true life of a student union leader from Osmania university. He died fighting injustice.

Regarding Alaypayuthe whats so great about the movie?

A complete package of a good story, decent screenplay, beautiful songs, excellent classy narration (chronological sequences, etc), and some amazing love sentiments !!! The way the whole movie was picturized was CLASSY !! Mani didnt push himself too hard to include any commercial element ... He stood back, and moved the movie at his own pace and style !!!

From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 14:16:21 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

And all those KH fans who are throwing mud on him, you guys dint find a single -ve aspect in naayagan?? Just coz KH had acted in it, isnt it ?? What a rip off from Godfather... Even KH was made to speak like brando Banging Head

Hence

all ur opinions are biased since he has stopped working with IR (KH's fav). Is it a sin, guys ?? Banging Head

Why is this guy always after KH fans??Nayagan was one of MR's earlier attempts,so it was refreshing to see his style of charcterisation,screenplay and dialogues..Same goes for MounaRagam,Agninatchathiram or maybe even Thalapathi(sure,all these movies had their -ves but they could be excused on the strength of the overall content)..
But all his attempts since then,have been extremely repetitive with a big hangover of his earlier attempts..Now its too early to say if Bala is better than MR,simply because Bala still has only 3 movies to his credit..So as of now,MR tops Bala...

From: rocketboy on Tue Oct 17 14:39:02 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

MADDY wrote:

joe wrote:

Autograph and Thavamai thavamirunthu are better than Alaipauthe kind of stuff

Joe, trust me, i could not relate myself with the village-college romance shown in these movies but with AP it was Cool

Superb write up.

From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Oct 17 14:39:25 2006.

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>>digression 1

Didn't about the Jayakanthan story Jaiganes. Thank You.
I rememeber discussing this earlier in the Hub about Sithan's characterization. The only point of diagreement I had was with the lyrics of piRaye pirayE where there is a line that goes : "indha bEdham ellAm/ vendhu pOga kaNdu/ theLindha manithan nee". I feel this line goes against the very characterization of Sithan because the 'theLivu' is something that he reaches (if at all) only at the end of the movie.

I guess very few filmmakers insist that lyrics as important as dialogues in storytelling.

digression 2

A_A wrote:

Of course Nayagan had its flaws [by the way i'm not a big fan of the (in)famous crying scene, but only by His standards]. The biggest blooper is that Velu Naikar is not able to speak Hindi inspite of living virtually his entire life in Mumbai

Disagree with most of this A_A. The cry is the last leg of a fantatsic scene with gradual intense emoting, wonderfully directed by MR. The whole scene elongates the (IMO) abrupt yet powerful version of Brando's : "look what they did to my son".

The area of Velu Naiker's operation, his constant us vs. them consciousness and of course Iyer's lifelong company sufficiently plugs the "blooper". In fact as the movie progresses we don't see him exposed to much Hindi-speaking at all for us to be evaluate his handicap.Very clever writing by MR. If anything it was indeed shown to be progressively increasing. He is wordless while threatening the duty doctor in the hospital, but speaks a assertive (though admittedly less fluent) Hindi on more than one occassion later ("commissioner ko bulaO"). end digr<<

MR should go and here's why. It will be better than hanging around and ending up like KB and Barathiraja who, IMO, should have gracefully retired ages ago.

Unlike them, MR has got a lot more in him now. MR has an option and market potential of making succesfull and aesthetically films in Bollywood. And he should make the most out of it. If he insists one staying here comparisons with his past Tamil works are inevitable. And as he has consistently proved over the last few years, he is nowhere near what he was.

MR is (now) more focussed on the gloss and presentation than content (Nayakan,Iruvar). It would be great to have him make it big in Bollywood (which DilSe and Yuva did not).

With Bala,ChEran and to a much lesser extent Selvaraghavan , Vishnuvaradhan etc. holding fort, here I don' think MR will be badly missed henceforth. Wheareas he can cream several Hindi directors (the overrated RGV for starters).
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From: rocketboy on Tue Oct 17 14:48:49 2006. [Full View]

Conceptualizing a new design is always going to be more difficult than improving upon an existing design or simply replicating it. That being the case Cheran wins hands down . (IMHO)

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 14:50:11 2006.

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rocketboy wrote:

Conceptualizing a new design is always going to be more difficult than improving upon an existing design or simply replicating it. That being the case Cheran wins hands down . (IMHO)

same point is valid for BALA also (IMHO too)

From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 14:52:49 2006. [Full View]

IMO bAlA is overrated. After sEthu i cudnt relate to any of his characters. I cudnt sympathize/empathize with them. SR is the most overrated director. Vishnuvardhan His A_A was the most overrated movie ever I think !! chEran is good but all his movies are melodramatic and preacy !!

MaNi still has it in him. His AE wasnt that good but his KM was fabulous. He cant make such movies in hindi and I believe he still can make it big in TF
From: MADDY on Tue Oct 17 15:32:08 2006. [Full View]

show me one character in this world who behaves/talks/walks like Vikram character in PM, then i would close this thread........

Bala is just a hyped up guy........his Nandha/PM were just ordinary movies hyped up due to darkness/rawness in them.........can he make a light hearted yet sensible movie like Alaipauthey?? NO.....

even Cheran and Gautam and Selva seem to behave like subject matter experts rather than directors......they seem to know only one kind of subject and they beat the bush on it again and again......

as a TF fan i would certainly want Mani in Tamil cos he is one guy who takes care of the middle/upper middle class sensitivities..........i dont think anyone caters to this class nowadays in Tamil...............

but as a HC mani fan, i would certainly want him to be in Hindi only........Hindi movies have opened up like never before and he can try subjects/sequences fearless of heroes/market pressure like in Tamil......i seriously dont think Mani is ever gonna come back to Tamil...... ......
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 15:33:35 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

show me one character in this world who behaves/talks/walks like Vikram character in PM, then i would close this thread........

Bala himself
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 15:37:31 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

i seriously dont think Mani is ever gonna come back to Tamil...... ......

Even if he does, it will be SIMULTANEOUS releases like in Yuva/AE !!! He's got a niche in both markets, and will not lose on either one !! So dont lose hope MADDY !!

Imsai !!
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 15:40:21 2006. [Full View]

5 out of 13 have voted for NO THANKS, WE HAVE OTHERS !!

Where is the world headed guys ??
From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 15:41:43 2006. [Full View]

everybody is talking as if Mani is an accomplished director in Hindi .. Please bear in mind that he has not given a single super hit movie there..All his movies have either been average grossers or flops..So if Guru flops as well,MR has no other option but to return back to tamil...
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 15:42:59 2006. [Full View]

But then, every North Indian friend that I talk to has GREAT RESPECT for him, and look forward to his movies .... Eg, ROJA, BOMBAY, DIL SE, YUVA !!

And the expectations of GURU is sky-high too !!
From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 15:45:26 2006. [Full View]

Yuva was average in hindi. But gave a new life to AB.

Saathiya was a runaway hit (though he just produced and wrote the screenplay)

dil se, the album was one of the biggest in hindi. movie was a flop.

bombay is in between flop and average.

rOjA was a hit in both tamil and hindi

His record isnt that bad. And if you had been following bollywood closely almost all the top stars are willing to act under him. This certainly says something !!

From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Oct 17 15:47:01 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

show me one character in this world who behaves/talks/walks like Vikram character in PM, then i would close this thread........

That's the very point Maddy. If he was just another vettiyAn, there is nothing interesting about his story. It is the special story of a special person and IMO Bala's best film till date.

MADDY wrote:

even Cheran and Gautam and Selva seem to behave like subject matter experts rather than directors......they seem to know only one kind of subject and they beat the bush on it again and again......

Roja,Bombay ,Dil Se, Kannatthil MuthamittAl.Ay one point I was scared the next would be a love story set in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

From: Aandavan on Tue Oct 17 15:48:16 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

5 out of 13 have voted for NO THANKS, WE HAVE OTHERS !!

Where is the world headed guys ??
its 5 out of 18, please check ur maths again..
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 15:49:16 2006. [Full View]

Shahrukh was posed a question by Karan Johar in his TV show, COFFEE WITH KARAN !! The question was in the flash round and went like this ...

Subhaash Ghai or Maniratnam ??

Shahrukh answers, "Manirathnam" !!

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 15:50:13 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

5 out of 13 have voted for NO THANKS, WE HAVE OTHERS !! Banging Head

Where is the world headed guys ?? Embarassed

its 5 out of 18, please check ur maths again..

Sorry, I'm weak in Math !!

But now I know for sure atleast one guy who voted NO !!!

From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 17 15:50:21 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

But then, every North Indian friend that I talk to has GREAT RESPECT for him, and look forward to his movies .... Eg, ROJA, BOMBAY, DIL SE, YUVA !!

And the expectations of GURU is sky-high too !! Thumbs Up!

Yes he is very known director among north indians.

Except Roja and Bombay Dil se and Yuva were flops. Though Abhishek performance was very much appreciated the movie did not even had a decent opening considering 3 big heroes and heroines being there in the movie. We cant really say he is doing reasonable in Bolly.

Let us see whether whether GURU turns the table.

From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 17 15:51:24 2006. [Full View]

And both of his direct hindi movies were big flop

From: Aandavan on Tue Oct 17 15:57:31 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

5 out of 13 have voted for NO THANKS, WE HAVE OTHERS !! Banging Head

Where is the world headed guys ?? Embarassed

its 5 out of 18, please check ur maths again..

Sorry, I'm weak in Math !! Embarassed

But now I know for sure atleast one guy who voted NO !!! Laughing

yeah thats me... i dont want a drohi like Mani to comeback...

and he is saturnratnam

From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 15:58:03 2006. [Full View]

Ppl go like Cheran rips Mani in this, Bala rips in Mani in that

So the combination of Cheran, Mani, ....so on.. is equal or slightly better than Mani
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 15:59:28 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

yeah thats me... i dont want a drohi like Mani to comeback...

Why's he a dhrohi? You are the one. Don't get me wrong. He has given great movies in tamil. You could not appreciate KM, then what the hell do you want him to do?
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 15:59:33 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

yeah thats me... i dont want a drohi like Mani to comeback... and he is saturnratnam

DROHI !!

SATURN-Rathnam !! Whatever that means !!
From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 15:59:59 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

Ppl go like Cheran rips Mani in this, Bala rips in Mani in that

So the combination of Cheran, Mani, ....so on.. is equal or slightly better than Mani

onnum puriyala........imsai.....
unga perum imsai......
unga postum imsai
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:01:48 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

onnum puriyala........imsai.....
unga perum imsai......
unga postum imsai

Rasigaa, You have no idea abt IMSAI's background !!

Just like how Manirathnam is a Revolution amongst Tamil directors, Imsai is a Revolution amongst hubbers here !!
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 16:01:59 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

onnum puriyala........imsai.....
unga perum imsai......
unga postum imsai

Sorry raasa. Guess you are interested in cricket. It's like arguing Mcgrath is not the best or one of the best bowler because Lee bowls faster, Bonds swings more, Warney turns the ball more. Hope that lights up.

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:02:03 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

yeah thats me... i dont want a drohi like Mani to comeback... Cool

Why's he a dhrohi? You are the one. Don't get me wrong. He has given great movies in tamil. You could not appreciate KM, then what the hell do you want him to do?

meendum oru agni natchatram..... i need that fire man.... along with IR's terrific BGM's...... can he give it

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 17 16:02:09 2006.

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Prabhu Ram wrote:

That's the very point Maddy. If he was just another vettiyAn, there is nothing interesting about his story. It is the special story of a special person and IMO Bala's best film till date.
Roja,Bombay ,Dil Se, Kannatthil MuthamittAl.Ay one point I was scared the next would be a love story set in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

but Prabhu that doesent warrant Bala the liberty to depict a android sorta character in that movie which was rolling on the realms of irritating unreality.............even perarasu's heroes are something special......cant accept that PM is a good movie.....

if there is a roja then there is a AP, if there is a Dil se then there is a Yuva, if there is a KM then there is a Guru......Mani has knowledge on a wide range of subjects which these guys lack.....simple truth.....but got to say BR is the best in this aspect.......how come a villager has such a knowledge on psyco subjects.......great........maybe Selva is a bit like Mani who has indepth know how of various concepts.........

UN, India today carried a article on Roja was the first movie which identified a realistic villain to Hindi movies..........really after Roja only, there were a bunch of Sunny paajis movies having Pakis as their villains........moreover:

Roja: First hit Hindi movie with a tamil name
Bombay: was a huge hit in Mumbai and not avg as suggested....
Dil se: was the first indian movie to explore overseas markets......like though movie flopped in India but was a rage amongst NRIs throughout UK,USA......infact the 3 producers - RGV,Shekhar Kapur,Maniratnam recovered their costs with the overseas money......
Yuva: do u guys know lok paritran political party??? also this movie gave life to Abhishek Bachan who is a potential super star now.......

if these are not achievements, then i dont know wat is

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:02:36 2006.

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Sorry raasa. Guess you are interested in cricket. It's like arguing Mcgrath is not the best or one of the best bowler because Lee bowls faster, Bonds swings more, Warney turns the ball more. Hope that lights up. Rolling Eyes

What a great ANALOGY !!!

From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 16:02:58 2006. [Full View]

When yuva/AE's shooting was going on I read in some magazines that all the lead actors/actresses signed up on this movie without even asking/bargaining about their salaries. This wont happen to any other director
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 16:03:09 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

meendum oru agni natchatram..... i need that fire man.... along with IR's terrific BGM's...... can he give it

IF IR can reproduce the

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:03:50 2006.

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imsai wrote:

raaja_rasigan wrote:

onnum puriyala........imsai.....
unga perum imsai......
unga postum imsai

the thing is ...... u given the name cheran & mani himself..... against mani

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:04:42 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

When yuva/AE's shooting was going on I read in some magazines that all the lead actors/actresses signed up on this movie without even asking/bargaining about their salaries. This wont happen to any other director Cool

And I heard Hrithik say in his interview abt how BAD he felt for missing the Michael character in YUVA when Mani approached him !!! Man, that has got to mean something !!!

From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 16:05:52 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

the thing is ...... u given the name cheran & mani himself..... against mani

Confused?
From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:06:04 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

raaja_rasigan wrote:

meendum oru agni natchatram..... i need that fire man.... along with IR's terrific BGM's...... can he give it

IF IR can reproduce the

y not? IF mani can.... y IR can't.....

sethu & pithamagan titles starts with the "GRAND MUSIC OF ISAIGNANI ILAYARAAJA"...... cartoonist madhan too pointed this in PM review
From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:07:02 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

raaja_rasigan wrote:

the thing is ...... u given the name cheran & mani himself..... against mani

Confused?

i think its not me
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:07:07 2006. [Full View]

Rasigaa, unfortunately that will take us to the discussion of who's a better MD, IR or ARR !!! And we certainly dont want that here !!! Past history prevents us from goin there again !!

From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 17 16:07:10 2006.

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show me one character in this world who behaves/talks/walks like Vikram character in PM, then i would close this thread........

Bala is just a hyped up guy........his Nandha/PM were just ordinary movies hyped up due to darkness/rawness in them.........can he make a light hearted yet sensible movie like Alaipauthey?? NO.....

So u want us to find an vettiyaan who spent his whole life time in Sudukaadu

Just assume that kind of situation to a person and think abt what could be his reaction when he faces the real world. The reactions may be bit over act, but we cannot just say that character is a stupidity.

We can ask the same question to Madhavan type character in Aalai paayuthae or the children shown in Anjali movie.

We dont come across those type of characters too. there are many character from many film makers(especiallu kb) we may never come across.
And MR's earlier movies till Mouna Ragam did not create any impact with most of the public.

If we compare only first 3 movies of MR, Bala, Selva, Cheran then the others are bit ahead of MR

This is just for an argument.

Saying this, ofcourse comparing Bala or Selvarahavan with MR would be a big mistake.

They have a very long way to goooo

And of course we need MR also along with other talented directors

From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 16:07:39 2006.

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y not? IF mani can.... y IR can't.....

sethu & pithamagan titles starts with the "GRAND MUSIC OF ISAIGNANI ILAYARAAJA"...... cartoonist madhan too pointed this in PM review

Is carttonist madhan my professor?

Bala movies need IR to make up for all the holes in the film, but not Mani movies.

From: Aandavan on Tue Oct 17 16:08:43 2006.

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Yuva: do u guys know lok paritran political party??? also this movie gave life to Abhishek Bachan who is a potential super star now.......

if these are not achievements, then i dont know wat is Rolling Eyes

yes, i do know abt their linguistic and caste fanatism..

From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 16:09:49 2006. [Full View]

Guys, compare Bala to Mani and then say it's an argument.. opinion blah blah. if people compare Simbhu to Kamal, you all cry
From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:10:37 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

even perarasu's heroes are something special......

CAPTAIN VIJAYAKANTH
From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:13:36 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

Is carttonist madhan my professor?

i donno whether u r from art school or not

imsai wrote:

Bala movies need IR to make up for all the holes in the film, but not Mani movies.

so whenever MANI used IR, he has a lot of holes in his movies
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:13:42 2006. [Full View]

Another supporting factor to how much Mani is RECOGNIZED in Bollywood was during the IIFA awards in Singapore ... Sounds like they had a hard decision as to which latest release to screen, and they had a number of awesome movies in hand ... But Bollywood folks voted to YUVA and it was screened amidst all hype and hoopla !!! We've only heard of how Bollywood mocks and pushes Tamil talents to the backseat !! This is silghtly DIFFERENT !!

http://www.goodmorningmidnight.com/yuvapage.html
From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 17 16:14:19 2006. [Full View]

Guys talk high about bala when ur favourite star act in his direction else say whatever u like about him if the same actor come out the project
From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 16:14:24 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

If we compare only first 3 movies of MR, Bala, Selva, Cheran then the others are bit ahead of MR

Mani's first 3 movies in tamil:

pagal nilavu -- good
idhaya kOvil -- OK
mouna raagam -- his BEST, IMO, one of THE best ever in TF

Bala
sEthu - his BEST
nandha - OK
PM - OK

chEran
BK - Good
PK - Good
DG - Dud

SR
TI - Is that a movie ?? street punks talking and doing all kinds of nonsense.
KK - OK
7G -

MR is way ahead in this comparison too !!
From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 16:14:52 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

Guys, compare Bala to Mani and then say it's an argument.. opinion blah blah. if people compare Simbhu to Kamal, you all cry

Yeah comparing Bala to Mani doesnt make sense..Its like comparing Rajini with Dhanush

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:15:47 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Rasigaa, unfortunately that will take us to the discussion of who's a better MD, IR or ARR !!! And we certainly dont want that here !!! Past history prevents us from goin there again !! Laughing

OK OK.......
just answering to the ?'s

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:15:57 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

MR is way ahead in this comparison too !!

Very good ANALYSIS from a diff side of the Spectrum !!
From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:17:44 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

Guys talk high about bala when ur favourite star act in his direction else say whatever u like about him if the same actor come out the project

thanga thalaivaa....idhu point..... niyaayam niyaayamaa irukkanum

From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 17 16:20:24 2006.

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Quote:

If we compare only first 3 movies of MR, Bala, Selva, Cheran then the others are bit ahead of MR

Mani's first 3 movies in tamil:

pagal nilavu -- good
idhaya kOvil -- OK
mouna raagam -- his BEST, IMO, one of THE best ever in TF

Bala
sEthu - his BEST
nandha - OK
PM - OK

chEran
BK - Good
PK - Good
DG - Dud

SR
TI - Is that a movie ?? street punks talking and doing all kinds of nonsense.
KK - OK
7G - ROTFL

MR is way ahead in this comparison too !!

Nice

I can give my views on the same movies too

Whatever, no doubt Mani is our Precious Director and we need him in tamil back.

see u later all

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:20:28 2006. [Full View]

[quote="Thirumaran"]
MADDY wrote:

show me one character in this world who behaves/talks/walks like Vikram character in PM, then i would close this thread........

This is INDIA... MR kaatadha aalungaa...... tamilnaatula nerayya per irukkaanga..... AE'la varra trisha siddharth, alaipaayudhe maddy, shalini..... ivanga mattume manusanga illai
From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 16:20:33 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

We can ask the same question to Madhavan type character in Aalai paayuthae or the children shown in Anjali movie.

It started from mouna raagam. Ask any damn girl in TN they will say I would like to hav a bf like karthik in MR or maddy in AP !!

Kids, havent you played like them in your childhood ?? Havent you ever teased ur neighbours ??
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:24:26 2006. [Full View]

Guys, It's a Simple YES or NO question !!! How did this COMPARISON even come in the first place into this thread ?? Obviously, Bala, Selva, Gowtham, Cheran, etc are all great directors !!! But do we really have to compare them with Mani, who's HORIZONS are global, or atleast National ??

By comparing, we obviously slide to elevating one and degrading the other !!!

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:25:54 2006.

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It started from mouna raagam. Ask any damn girl in TN they will say I would like to hav a bf like karthik in MR or maddy in AP !!

Kids, havent you played like them in your childhood ?? Havent you ever teased ur neighbours ?? Shocked

Actually, great questions !! Here are my answers !!

* Yes, any gal would like a playful chap like Karthik in MR or Maddy in AP !! Some will be honest enough to admit it, many wont !! Remember, the HOMELY ones !!

* Of course, I have !!! And in that way, I'm still a KID !!

From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 16:26:00 2006. [Full View]

bay,

if everyone stops with a simple yes or no, why do u have a discussion forum and what will I do to while away my time when my build is broken
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 16:26:47 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

bay,

if everyone stops with a simple yes or no, why do u have a discussion forum and what will I do to while away my time when my build is broken

Oh Apdiyaa ??? OK, let's CARRY on then !!! Mani ROCKS !!!

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:29:59 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

bay,

if everyone stops with a simple yes or no, why do u have a discussion forum and what will I do to while away my time when my build is broken Laughing

Oh Apdiyaa ??? OK, let's CARRY on then !!! Mani ROCKS !!! Yes

adhaan sangadhiyaa...... then

From: raaja_rasigan on Tue Oct 17 16:32:18 2006. [Full View]

actually, my answer is YES & i gave my reason as third post of this thread

From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Oct 17 16:41:25 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

if there is a roja then there is a AP, if there is a Dil se then there is a Yuva, if there is a KM then there is a Guru......Mani has knowledge on a wide range of subjects which these guys lack.....

True. As Nerd said, I am also waiting to see MaayakkaNNAdi to gauge ChEran. I was trying to point out that each has his pet themes, that is all. I hope he is done with terrorism.

I rate Pithamagan,Pattiyal TT pretty high compared to Aayitha Ezuthu. While AE is much better than any of the Johar-Khan films or The Factory films (RGV has outlived his promise).
I have critical opinions on many of MR's 'great' works but that's not what I am basing my arguments here on. I feel he has a greater scope to do 'his' kinda stuff in Bollywood while there are competent people to feed us here.

Nerd wrote:

Kids, havent you played like them in your childhood ??

My worst nightmare is a life with KB's women and MR's children. Kids in MR movies are a perfect example of his typical characterization style. Flashy,impressive and consequently memorable but far from natural.

From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 16:57:27 2006. [Full View]

IMHO Cheran is overrated..Autograph is the most over-rated movie in recent times..The plot as well as the screenplay was dull and done in bad taste..
Once again its MHO..

From: Thirumaran on Tue Oct 17 17:00:25 2006.

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Quote:

We can ask the same question to Madhavan type character in Aalai paayuthae or the children shown in Anjali movie.

It is not about girls liking the character or not

The point i was making was we dont see someone easily enters ladies compartment and expresses his love or children doing some abnormal activities like helping love of adults

Those were intersting no doubt. But are they not a bit over natural?

Lover boys and children are quite common among us. Within this category i could not find the all the activities of these character are quite common. Then how can any normal person can find a character like the one in Sithan considering the background he had. Like this there are several other characters of several movies we may not ever come across. And we are not having hand full of informataion on each and every character type exist in this world.

First of all the comparision does not seem to be a valid. For young directors we need to give more time and movies to be compared with legends.

Second after some one started comparing the way we underestimate other directors also does not seem to be valid for me.

MR already reached the peak point of everest. Others are on their way.. Let us see whether they reach the peak or not

From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 17:06:56 2006.

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It is not about girls liking the character or not Rolling Eyes

The point i was making was we dont see someone easily enters ladies compartment and expresses his love or children doing some abnormal activities like helping love of adults Confused

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 17:13:50 2006.

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First of all the comparision does not seem to be a valid. For young directors we need to give more time and movies to be compared with legends.

Second after some one started comparing the way we underestimate other directors also does not seem to be valid for me.

Beautiful !!!

Just like how Young Directors need more time, the LEGENDS also should be given some space and recognition, and not be compared with the younger ones !!!

From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 17 17:18:26 2006.

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Thirumaran wrote:

Beautiful !!! Thank You

Just like how Young Directors need more time, the LEGENDS also should be given some space and recognition, and not be compared with the younger ones !!! Thumbs Up!

there is a difference between comparing and degrading..If i say Bala is making movies in the class of MR thats comparing,but if I say all of MR's movies are worse than Balas' then thats degrading..There is nothing wrong in comparing young directors with the legends,whom else will you compare them with?,the legends are the benchmarks..

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 17:19:58 2006.

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Ulagu, I have no problems with comparisons !!! It's just that when the comparisons become DEGRADING, it seems so unfair, cos the comparees become VICTIMS and object of riducule in the process !!! Of course, we need BENCHMARKS !!!

From: Nerd on Tue Oct 17 17:24:19 2006. [Full View]

SO, end of discussions is it
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Oct 17 17:25:04 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

SO, end of discussions is it

Somebody is very KEEN here to have DISCUSSIONS !!
From: Surya on Tue Oct 17 17:37:54 2006. [Full View]
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 18:53:37 2006. [Full View]

Ulaganayagan wrote:

Yeah comparing Bala to Mani doesnt make sense..Its like comparing Rajini with Dhanush

for thinkin that i'm a rajini fan..

second, u guys have no life without rajini
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 18:56:32 2006. [Full View]

ppl don't see that once i and anwar were arguing against some bala fanatic that bala is a joke.. u missed it
From: Lakshmana on Tue Oct 17 19:04:42 2006. [Full View]

Pre-Judging is a trait which some ppl cannot let go
From: imsai on Tue Oct 17 19:08:43 2006. [Full View]

Lakshmana wrote:

Pre-Judging is a trait which some ppl cannot let go

u can win more arguments should you sport sexier avatar that that ..
From: ajithfederer on Tue Oct 17 19:11:14 2006. [Full View]

Looks like i missed so much action
From: Lakshmana on Tue Oct 17 19:16:58 2006. [Full View]

people wouldn't argue with my to begin with if I sported sexier avatars and had a feminine handle..

then you can say whatever you want, and people just say and and occationally
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Oct 17 20:45:44 2006. [Full View]

Prabhu Ram wrote:

digression 2
The area of Velu Naiker's operation, his constant us vs. them consciousness and of course Iyer's lifelong company sufficiently plugs the "blooper".

<Dig>
Have you seen anyone like that in real life?? I mean Mumbai la pala varsham vaazhndha piragum 'Indhi' theriyama? I haven't
</Dig>

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Oct 17 20:50:18 2006.

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From: Surya on Tue Oct 17 22:33:05 2006.

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Prabhu Ram wrote:

This is hilarious!

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 0:48:36 2006.

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alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Prabhu Ram wrote:

watched anjali few days ago...i love that Anjali Anjali song... excluding the great song, the movie is bad.... irritating, disgusting...

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 1:00:03 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

watched anjali few days ago...i love that Anjali Anjali song... excluding the great song, the movie is bad.... irritating, disgusting...

Plz elaborate why it's so disgusting.
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From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 1:20:49 2006. [Full View]

in anjali i loved the performance of raguvaran and anjali paapa!

but the direction of maniratnam is adhigaprasangithathin ellai!

i love the scene where raguvaran explains a small story to his daughter when she asks why anjali was born in their home....excellent
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From: jaiganes on Wed Oct 18 1:50:15 2006. [Full View]

There is something called literary depth in characterisation. After Mahendran and Balu Mahendra, it is Bala who brings it perfectly on the screen. Screenplay is never his forte. It is the characterization. In PM he creates a Edward SCissorhands type of guy, who hasn't been exposed to outside world. Just now was reading related to child psychology and volantary mutism. If a child interacts and no one replies, it may never develop proper emotions and language skills. It might even grow with only basic instincts of survival and never understand "human feelings". On the other side, humans in normal society always fear the "unknown and "unusual" examples of monkey man and how insensitive people behave towards spastic people. If normal ppls ineraction is in this state, then put a char like sithan and normal ppl. the clash of such characters automatically drives the screenplay. It cannot be a happy ending. One party has to relent and it is usually the challenged individual who has to give up against the society. Ofcourse Bala has added some autobiographical accounts related to his life in Bodi , Theni and certain customs related to final rites in TN.
Now for a MR fan, who are not exposed to such deep and profound reflections on characters (inspired from real life or from literature), I am not surprised to see them hate Bala's movies. That is something of an expected response. Such discussions are bound to go on comparing one director against the other. In Hollywood still there is burning debate on Spielberg vs Stanley Kubrick. Spielberg creates beautiful visual sketches, while Stanley Kubrick or Roman Polanski give you shocking characterisations. While Spielberg is for popular audiences whose IQ is pretty avg, a kubrick or polanski is hard stuff to grasp or relate to in one go. I am pretty happy to see that a movie like PM shot in the way it is got widespread appreciation in TN and fetched national award for vikram. I am equally happy that a burning social theme shot in the most playful way by one of the respected film makers (abt MR and Ayitha Ezuthu - my thalai ezuthu) got the just treatment it deserved by TN film audiences. They might make a Sivakasi run, however from the artistes that they revere and have pride upon, they expect only improving outputs as clearly evident from the declining appeal for MR movies and increasing response to Cheran and Bala movies. If Bala and Cheran slip down, I am sure that Thamizh audience will start thrashing them ruthlessly. I would be the first to do that myself.

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 2:02:27 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

There is something called literary depth in characterisation. After Mahendran and Balu Mahendra, it is Bala who brings it perfectly on the screen. Screenplay is never his forte. It is the characterization. In PM he creates a Edward SCissorhands type of guy, who hasn't been exposed to outside world. Just now was reading related to child psychology and volantary mutism. If a child interacts and no one replies, it may never develop proper emotions and language skills. It might even grow with only basic instincts of survival and never understand "human feelings". On the other side, humans in normal society always fear the "unknown and "unusual" examples of monkey man and how insensitive people behave towards spastic people. If normal ppls ineraction is in this state, then put a char like sithan and normal ppl. the clash of such characters automatically drives the screenplay. It cannot be a happy ending. One party has to relent and it is usually the challenged individual who has to give up against the society. Ofcourse Bala has added some autobiographical accounts related to his life in Bodi , Theni and certain customs related to final rites in TN.
Now for a MR fan, who are not exposed to such deep and profound reflections on characters (inspired from real life or from literature), I am not surprised to see them hate Bala's movies. That is something of an expected response. Such discussions are bound to go on comparing one director against the other. In Hollywood still there is burning debate on Spielberg vs Stanley Kubrick. Spielberg creates beautiful visual sketches, while Stanley Kubrick or Roman Polanski give you shocking characterisations. While Spielberg is for popular audiences whose IQ is pretty avg, a kubrick or polanski is hard stuff to grasp or relate to in one go. I am pretty happy to see that a movie like PM shot in the way it is got widespread appreciation in TN and fetched national award for vikram. I am equally happy that a burning social theme shot in the most playful way by one of the respected film makers (abt MR and Ayitha Ezuthu - my thalai ezuthu) got the just treatment it deserved by TN film audiences. They might make a Sivakasi run, however from the artistes that they revere and have pride upon, they expect only improving outputs as clearly evident from the declining appeal for MR movies and increasing response to Cheran and Bala movies. If Bala and Cheran slip down, I am sure that Thamizh audience will start thrashing them ruthlessly. I would be the first to do that myself.

excellent!

i have only seen bala making films based on charectirization like scorcese....no story or anything...just the charectirization makes the movie!...

especially in pithamagan ...there is no story at all...just two charectirization...its hard to give mass+class and bala seems to be a master of it!...it is said that in theni district kanja thottam is really there and they were maintained as explained in pithamagan...dunno how bala known it!

regarding maniratnam..none of his latest movies are great

i personally dint like kannathil muthamittaal...dunno why...may be due to the charectirization of that small girl...not even alaipayuthey...!...

but i love almost all his movies in his early career!

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 2:06:24 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

.it is said that in theni district kanja thottam is really there and they were maintained as explained in pithamagan...dunno how bala known it!

Because Bala's home town is Theni.isn't it?

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 2:09:56 2006.

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joe wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

.it is said that in theni district kanja thottam is really there and they were maintained as explained in pithamagan...dunno how bala known it!

Because Bala's home town is Theni.isn't it?

may be

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 2:13:32 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

joe wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

.it is said that in theni district kanja thottam is really there and they were maintained as explained in pithamagan...dunno how bala known it!

Because Bala's home town is Theni.isn't it?

may be

Not may be .I am sure that Bala is from Theni ,which is home town for Bharathiraja .

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 2:15:17 2006.

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joe wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

joe wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

.it is said that in theni district kanja thottam is really there and they were maintained as explained in pithamagan...dunno how bala known it!

Because Bala's home town is Theni.isn't it?

may be

Not may be .I am sure that Bala is from Theni ,which is home town for Bharathiraja .

i want kamal-bala combo to happen

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 2:17:46 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

i want kamal-bala combo to happen

Me too expecting the same..Bala is a huge fan of NT and Kamal.
bala must be a fan of the movie 'Guna'.
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 2:19:44 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

i want kamal-bala combo to happen

Me too expecting the same..Bala is a huge fan of NT and Kamal.
bala must be a fan of the movie 'Guna'.

yeah...avaru padatha paathale theriyudhu!

actually they started discussion it is said!
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 2:23:04 2006. [Full View]

bala once said he is ver disappointed to see mahanadhi dint do well....as he is awestruck by the movie when he watched it !
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 2:33:13 2006. [Full View]

Why Bala is hyped by certain people is quite clear now

Mani is the best director. Bala is not even my top ten. I'd think of adding him to my list if he ever comes out of the ganja thingey. Anybody heard Arya's name in NK?
From: jaiganes on Wed Oct 18 2:38:26 2006. [Full View]

Bala seems to be a fan of both Kamal and MR.
In PM he showcases both Kannathil Muthamittal and Anbe Sivam carefully in the background!
In Nandhaa he showed "rejection" how a son loses the affection of his mother and gets manipulated by someone else as a result. In PM he shows how sithan left as an orphan grows up as an emotionaly deprived person in the dry surroundings of a graveyard.
I can understand that it can be very raw and difficult to understand and empathize for all, particularly the urban elite. However that is what arts are here for. Arts like literature, drama and cinema are here to present us face to face with alternate realities that we are living with in this society. However it is a pity that we are ready to look up to the alternate realities presented by hollywood or bollywood. Case in point - infidelity and love found outside marital relationship. If a Karan Johar touches it, the mainstream media (even NDTV shamefully) goes ga ga. While regional cinema, kannada, malayalam and thamizh cinema in 80s have had many movies surrounding it (Kavariman *ing Sivaji, Rosapoo Ravikkaikari *ing sivakumar and one more movie *ing Vijayan - i forgot the name of the movie). The movie that *ed Vijayan had a splendid song which I cannot recall now. In that movie the husband forgives the wife for infidelity. MR has taken up the male infidelity and kinda justified it casually in Ani Nakshathram, while for the other side of the fence, couldn't summon the courage to pin point or take a stance. Bala OTOH, showed a son kill the father on account of infidelity (Nandha). That shows the difference in conviction that either film makers have. MR is an escapist and will always make movies that are escapist (case in point Bombay- couldnt give a bold conclusion and rather gave a tame Music video kinda climax ). Contrast that with cheran's Bhrathi Kannamma, where Bharathi(parthiban)'s decision might be irrational to MR kinda audience, still was bold enough to warrant a "well done". It is the conviction and audacity to stick by the theme that separated a Cheran and a Bala from MR. As far as aesthetics and craft of film making is concerned, MR might be a master. However he is just master of technique, not the subject or the content.

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 2:38:42 2006.

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imsai wrote:

Why Bala is hyped by certain people is quite clear now Cool

Mani is the best director. Bala is not even my top ten. I'd think of adding him to my list if he ever comes out of the ganja thingey. Anybody heard Arya's name in NK? Banging Head

i havent cried for a single maniratnam movie...not laughed out with tears in my eyes...

just one reaction i always experienced....."how beautifully made"

bala not in top ten????????

regarding ganja.....when will maniratnam come out his single liners,adhigaprasangithanama children,very naughty loverboy etc

From: NOV on Wed Oct 18 2:42:41 2006. [Full View]

Tamilians have never been known to appreciate their own home grown talents.

Maniratnam is a perfect film maker and a director par excellence.
Placing Bala on the same line as him - to me - is blasphemy.

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 2:43:53 2006.

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NOV wrote:

Tamilians have never been known to appreciate their own home grown talents.

Maniratnam is a perfect film maker and a director par excellence.
Placing Bala on the same line - to me - is blasphemy. Rolling Eyes

bala kashmirla irundhu vandhavara?

From: NOV on Wed Oct 18 2:46:14 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

bala kashmirla irundhu vandhavara?
nilavu, first try to understand what I am saying before making retorts.
From: jaiganes on Wed Oct 18 2:48:46 2006. [Full View]

NOV san, your team is in the lead. Why get so frustrated?
I would have understood your frustration if the Nays polled 65% right?

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 2:50:21 2006.

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i havent cried for a single maniratnam movie...not laughed out with tears in my eyes...
Rolling Eyes

just one reaction i always experienced....."how beautifully made"

bala not in top ten???????? ROTFL

regarding ganja.....when will maniratnam come out his single liners,adhigaprasangithanama children,very naughty loverboy etc

single liners and other things are technique .. they're not as bad as ganja..

when you can't have a decent discussion you ROTFL? gave up so easily?

From: NOV on Wed Oct 18 2:54:12 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

NOV san, your team is in the lead. Why get so frustrated?
I would have understood your frustration if the Nays polled 65% right?
Team?

jaiganesh! howz married life? hardly see you in misc these days. must be happy

ok, my frustration is from these: TN produces the best in all areas of moviemaking - acting, music, cinematography, direction, etc.
Yet our very own ppl take great pleasure in putting these great talents down.

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 2:57:43 2006.

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NOV wrote:

Tamilians have never been known to appreciate their own home grown talents.

Maniratnam is a perfect film maker and a director par excellence.
Placing Bala on the same line as him - to me - is blasphemy. Rolling Eyes

Nov,
Do you want ManiRatnam to make a Tamil movie ever? ,For me this question is very unfortunate.I voted for Yes .People like me argueing the hype given to Mani are not putting down Mani to the level of average directors .We need Mani also.

We are not comparing him with Perarasu,P.vasu.Sundar C .but with Cheran ,bala who are the latest talents giving some hopes for better Tamil cinema (as it was given by mani earlier)..Actually Mani should be compared with people like Sreedar ,Mahendran and Bharathiraja..But here we are comparing with these youngsters since Mani is still competing with these youngsters.

Comparing Mani's achivements with Bala's achivements should be wrong .But Comparing their methods ,approaches is fair,I think.

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 3:01:19 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

Yet our very own ppl take great pleasure in putting these great talents down.

Nov,
It is not true .We are discussing only within our circle .Do you think I will put down Manirathnam when I argue with some north Indian? No way
From: NOV on Wed Oct 18 3:12:53 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Do you want ManiRatnam to make a Tamil movie ever?

this is precisely my frustration.

as for Bala, I don't have very high regards for his style - altho I've seen all his pictures.

Mani is in the league of KB, Mahendran, Balu Mahendran, Sreedhar, KSG, etc.

From: Unicorn on Wed Oct 18 3:21:14 2006.

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anyway either MR or Shankar will be directin Vijays 50th movie Very Happy

leosimha wrote:

mani...pls bring the actor in vijay.....if you sign up vijay....then surely i will go for this movie to see vijay act in your direction in a theatre after a very very long time...

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 3:21:58 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

as for Bala, I don't have very high regards for his style - altho I've seen all his pictures.

There are only 3 so far .For me,Sethu and Pithamagan really impressive ,not nandha.

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 3:53:01 2006.

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Unicorn wrote:

anyway either MR or Shankar will be directin Vijays 50th movie Very Happy

leosimha wrote:

mani...pls bring the actor in vijay.....if you sign up vijay....then surely i will go for this movie to see vijay act in your direction in a theatre after a very very long time...

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 3:54:05 2006.

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joe wrote:

NOV wrote:

as for Bala, I don't have very high regards for his style - altho I've seen all his pictures. Cool

There are only 3 so far .For me,Sethu and Pithamagan really impressive ,not nandha.

nandha was irritating. the other two were really good

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 3:55:59 2006.

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imsai wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

i havent cried for a single maniratnam movie...not laughed out with tears in my eyes...
Rolling Eyes

just one reaction i always experienced....."how beautifully made"

bala not in top ten???????? ROTFL

regarding ganja.....when will maniratnam come out his single liners,adhigaprasangithanama children,very naughty loverboy etc

single liners and other things are technique .. they're not as bad as ganja..

when you can't have a decent discussion you ROTFL? gave up so easily?

BECAUSE U HAVE NO POINT TO PROVE BALA IS NOT IN TOP TEN

JUST PLAIN WORDS

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 3:58:24 2006. [Full View]

imsai,

bala's character is bad.. but, he did make two good movies.. u cant deny that...
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 3:59:21 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

bala kashmirla irundhu vandhavara?
nilavu, first try to understand what I am saying before making retorts.

NOV...u say we degrade maniratnam by comparing with bala...as u feel mani is the only director now to carry torch light for tamilians in indian arena u say we are not encouraging tamilians!

tell me one movie where mani portrayed the right culture of tamilnadu...or made people to be as they are in real life...he is full of fantasy....his films are full of fantasy!
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:04:13 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

BECAUSE U HAVE NO POINT TO PROVE BALA IS NOT IN TOP TEN

JUST PLAIN WORDS

i don't have to prove you.. i can have my opinion and state it decently without because i know i have a valid point..

ppl who can't back up use
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:04:52 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

imsai,

bala's character is bad.. but, he did make two good movies.. u cant deny that...

tnx nilavu

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:07:02 2006.

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imsai wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

BECAUSE U HAVE NO POINT TO PROVE BALA IS NOT IN TOP TEN Laughing

JUST PLAIN WORDS

i don't have to prove you.. i can have my opinion and state it decently without ROTFL

because i know i have a valid point..

ppl who can't back up use ROTFL

EVEN U CAN CALL GANDHI A TERRORIST....

no point in that continue...u dont have to prove me...u have to prove urselves before u post anything or else other have to

at u

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:09:12 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

NOV...u say we degrade maniratnam by comparing with bala...as u feel mani is the only director now to carry torch light for tamilians in indian arena u say we are not encouraging tamilians!

tell me one movie where mani portrayed the right culture of tamilnadu...or made people to be as they are in real life...he is full of fantasy....his films are full of fantasy!

wasn't nakayan listed in the top 100 movies? what do you have to say about that?

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:11:10 2006.

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EVEN U CAN CALL GANDHI A TERRORIST.... Laughing

no point in that continue...u dont have to prove me...u have to prove urselves before u post anything or else other have to ROTFL

at u

plz make sense. i just stated my opinion. everybody shared their opinion, if you need me to elaborate it.. u shud ask, not laugh.. it just expose your incompetency.

u now say i don't have to prove anyone then why did you laugh??

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:13:14 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

imsai,

bala's character is bad.. but, he did make two good movies.. u cant deny that...

Bala was a good movie. Pithamagan and Nanda were

few days back, through some reliable sources i heard that arya's name in NK is something like ganja kanthasaami

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:15:43 2006.

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imsai wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

EVEN U CAN CALL GANDHI A TERRORIST.... Laughing

no point in that continue...u dont have to prove me...u have to prove urselves before u post anything or else other have to ROTFL

at u

STILL U MADE NO POINT

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:16:36 2006.

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imsai wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

imsai,

bala's character is bad.. but, he did make two good movies.. u cant deny that...

Bala was a good movie. Pithamagan and Nanda were Banging Head

few days back, through some reliable sources i heard that arya's name in NK is something like ganja kanthasaami Banging Head

why do u banghead now?...have u ever been to palani....seen guys like arya there?

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:19:26 2006. [Full View]

ya i've been to pazhani.

u now think i made sense/point?
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:19:42 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Never argue with a fool or he will drag you down to his level and beat you at it through sheer experience!

Thanks NOV . The respect I have for .... grows exponentially
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:21:04 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

ya i've been to pazhani.

u now think i made sense/point?

i lived in pazhani for 15 years from ny childhood....

and many are like arya there...eppavavadhu oru thadava vandhu mottaya pottu poyida vendiyadhu!

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:21:37 2006.

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imsai wrote:

Quote:

Never argue with a fool or he will drag you down to his level and beat you at it through sheer experience!

Thanks NOV Not Worthy

. The respect I have for .... grows exponentially

Idea

great escapuuuuuuuu

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:23:12 2006. [Full View]

pazhani is my native and kanja is very frequant there...and saamiyars too.....this film may be very philosophical...

it deals with religion
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:24:15 2006. [Full View]

idhuve ajith andha charecterla nadichirundha imsayoda reaction"national award for thala"
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:24:23 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

nandha was irritating. the other two were really good

imo, nanda was better in every aspect
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:25:01 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

nandha was irritating. the other two were really good

imo, nanda was better in every aspect

then esthu is bad or pithamagan?
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:26:39 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

idhuve ajith andha charecterla nadichirundha imsayoda reaction"national award for thala"

see, I didn't say anything but you are pathetically trying to bring Ajith here.. I have no respect for national award which is a joke, imo. ask any Ajith fan that how happy I was when NK was dropped.. but was sad only for him being betrayed..

Rajini.. and now Ajith

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 4:28:53 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

In Hollywood still there is burning debate on Spielberg vs Stanley Kubrick. Spielberg creates beautiful visual sketches, while Stanley Kubrick or Roman Polanski give you shocking characterisations. While Spielberg is for popular audiences whose IQ is pretty avg, a kubrick or polanski is hard stuff to grasp or relate to in one go.

thats personal attack on MR fans

.......dude, we have good IQs.......infact MR's fans form the cream of Indian population because of whom our economy is in a boom.......what IQ does ur Bala possess??? he tried to spoil Ajith's career with his child like behaviour........

jaiganesh, u r telling me that there are ppl. like Sithan too.....wat i'm telling u is these cherans and Balas make movies only abt such people........they dont cater to urban middle class.........it is very scary to know that out of these ppl. - Bala,Cheran,Lingusamy, ARM, Gautam,Vishnuvardhan - none of them made a movie abt a average middle class boy/man as their last movie........i think after MR's exit from TF, there will be movies made only for vettiyans,auto drivers, black ticket selllers

....

jaiganes wrote:

If Bala and Cheran slip down, I am sure that Thamizh audience will start thrashing them ruthlessly. I would be the first to do that myself.

just wait and watch - both maya kannadi and Naan Kadavul will fall flat on their faces and will prove to you who is the gr8est.........their career wont span as much as Maniratnams has.....

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:31:03 2006.

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Quote:

just wait and watch - both maya kannadi and Naan Kadavul will fall flat on their faces and will prove to you who is the gr8est.........their career wont span as much as Maniratnams has.....

ppl were talking about Mani's recente failure in tamil.. but none of Bala's movies are smashing hits except Sethu..

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 4:33:14 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

just wait and watch - both maya kannadi and Naan Kadavul will fall flat on their faces and will prove to you who is the gr8est.........their career wont span as much as Maniratnams has.....

maya kannadi is sure to bite the dust...

so u want movies attracting multiplex peetru audience only ...

i accept all kinds of movies..
but out maddy is narrow minded..

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 4:34:27 2006.

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imsai wrote:

]

plz make sense. i just stated my opinion. everybody shared their opinion, if you need me to elaborate it.. u shud ask, not laugh.. it just expose your incompetency.

u now say i don't have to prove anyone then why did you laugh??

But You did the same in another thread

imsai wrote:

joe wrote:

I take this in this sense .This is a general criteria ,which is not applicable to super starts like Rajini and Kamal

expose your incompetency?

From: Unicorn on Wed Oct 18 4:37:24 2006.

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Hammer

joe wrote:

imsai wrote:

But You did the same in another thread

Nail

joe wrote:

imsai wrote:

joe wrote:

I take this in this sense .This is a general criteria ,which is not applicable to super starts like Rajini and Kamal

expose your incompetency?

bang on Target Very Happy

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:39:17 2006.

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joe wrote:

imsai wrote:

But You did the same in another thread

imsai wrote:

joe wrote:

I take this in this sense .This is a general criteria ,which is not applicable to super starts like Rajini and Kamal

expose your incompetency?

gethu

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:40:02 2006. [Full View]

thank you, joe. you proved you're a great warrior.

i thot u were trying ur hands at sarcasm.. trying to equate rajini and kamal's box office strength.. since u and i are kamal fans, i was happy that u mocked rajini by comparing him to kamal .

__________
other kh and rk fans. don't take it seriously.. i'm not trying to provoke anyone.

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 4:40:21 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

MADDY wrote:

just wait and watch - both maya kannadi and Naan Kadavul will fall flat on their faces and will prove to you who is the gr8est.........their career wont span as much as Maniratnams has.....

maya kannadi is sure to bite the dust... Laughing

so u want movies attracting multiplex peetru audience only ... Question

i accept all kinds of movies..
but out maddy is narrow minded.. Cool

no u got me wrong.......i'm not narrow minded.....i can watch pithamagan also and can watch a Karan johar flick as well......infact the so-called-multiplex-peters have more tolerance in unique concepts than others.......but somewhere down the line, that middle class emotions/sequences/near to reality scenes are missing in tamil movies......u either see a mosquito like Vishal fighting a big gang or u see movies like TT which no way i can relate myself to.......once in a while its ok but if only such movies come in disregardful of elite or middle class audience then i object to it......

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:43:17 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

jaiganesh, u r telling me that there are ppl. like Sithan too.....wat i'm telling u is these cherans and Balas make movies only abt such people........they dont cater to urban middle class.........it is very scary to know that out of these ppl. - Bala,Cheran,Lingusamy, ARM, Gautam,Vishnuvardhan - none of them made a movie abt a average middle class boy/man as their last movie........i think after MR's exit from TF, there will be movies made only for vettiyans,auto drivers, black ticket selllers Banging Head

....

jaiganes wrote:

If Bala and Cheran slip down, I am sure that Thamizh audience will start thrashing them ruthlessly. I would be the first to do that myself.

just wait and watch - both maya kannadi and Naan Kadavul will fall flat on their faces and will prove to you who is the gr8est.........their career wont span as much as Maniratnams has.....

the point is maniratnam is only taking movies abt urban people!...and u have said it!

with all respect for maniratnam...im only saying bala is comparable with mani with mindblowing movies at the beginning of his career!

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:45:35 2006.

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imsai wrote:

thank you, joe. you proved you're a great warrior.

i thot u were trying ur hands at sarcasm.. trying to equate rajini and kamal's box office strength.. since u and i are kamal fans, i was happy that u mocked rajini by comparing him to kamal Smile

.

__________
other kh and rk fans. don't take it seriously.. i'm not trying to provoke anyone.

u say rajni is nowhere near kamal is box office standrads...or not one of the super star

it look sarcastic???

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:47:00 2006. [Full View]

pls let's talk about naayakan.

how many of you thing it should not have been listed in the top 100?
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:49:41 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

u say rajni is nowhere near kamal is box office standrads...or not one of the super star

it look sarcastic???

i was explaining him who, why, what, when, where, how

u might not have a clue since u just jumped in now... he's quoting one of my posts that i made hundreds of hours before..

i don't want to initiate a rk vs kh fight here.. but u r trying too hard now.. since i'm a kamal fan, kamal is the best actor ever and didn't VV break all the recoreds? so rightfully he's the superstar.

right-aa? illae innum left-aa?
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:50:13 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

pls let's talk about naayakan.

how many of you thing it should not have been listed in the top 100?

I THINK....salangai oli deserves a place...mahanadhi deserves a place...hey raam deserves a place...sippikul muthu deserves aplace...

but nayagan made it there ...as its in their's style they could relate it with them..the filmmaking!

thanks to the technical brillinace of ilayaraja and p.c.sriram

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:51:14 2006.

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imsai wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

u say rajni is nowhere near kamal is box office standrads...or not one of the super star Rolling Eyes

it look sarcastic???

i was explaining him who, why, what, when, where, how

u might not have a clue since u just jumped in now... he's quoting one of my posts that i made hundreds of hours before..

i don't want to initiate a rk vs kh fight here.. but u r trying too hard now.. since i'm a kamal fan, kamal is the best actor ever and didn't VV break all the recoreds? so rightfully he's the superstar.

right-aa? illae innum left-aa?

anyway....rajni and kamal...both are superstars in box-office..leave it!

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 4:52:53 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

we are talking abt good directors.. do not bring in people like karan johar and vishal... i hate these idiots

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 4:53:03 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

I THINK....salangai oli deserves a place...mahanadhi deserves a place...hey raam deserves a place...sippikul muthu deserves aplace...

but nayagan made it there ...as its in their's style they could relate it with them..the filmmaking!

thanks to the technical brillinace of ilayaraja and p.c.sriram

hundreds of letters here.. but where's the answer for my question?

thanks to mani

u made us proud.

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 4:58:48 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

imsai wrote:

pls let's talk about naayakan.

how many of you thing it should not have been listed in the top 100?

100% true.. we never said that nayakan is kamal's best movie... it is not..

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 4:58:52 2006.

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imsai wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

hundreds of letters here.. but where's the answer for my question? Confused

thanks to mani Clap

u made us proud.

HAHA....U WANT SPECS??????

read the first two words

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 4:59:03 2006. [Full View]

Well both Rajini and Kamal are emperors of the box office...the reason why rajini movies seem to have bigger openings is due to his popularity in the village or mass while kamal movies are pure quality which may or may not be popular with the mass...there is no provoiking statement here..kamal wants to make brilliant movies and that at times may not be accepted wholesome by mass...while rajini movies are mass oriented...thats why the box office status of rajini movies being much more successful.

Nilavu most kamal movies which he has directed deserve to be in the top ten of india's best movies. Virumaandi is a perfect example of a different way of directing a action movie and Heyram is one movie which just had it all...it was only the theme and very offbeat style that put off the audience. Anbe Sivam i feel should have been a megahit while mahanadhi and kurudhipunal are just class. to Kamal who brought tamil film industry recognition.
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:01:40 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

HAHA....U WANT SPECS??????

read the first two words

I THINK... salangai oli deserves a place.....

how am I supposed to know that? plz read that again, u'll know what I mean.

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 5:02:19 2006.

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imsai wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

hundreds of letters here.. but where's the answer for my question? Confused

thanks to mani Clap

u made us proud.

thanks to TIME for ignoring some better movies...

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:03:14 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

thanks to TIME for ignoring some better movies...

exactly.. i think roja deserves a place there

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:05:05 2006.

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imsai wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

HAHA....U WANT SPECS?????? ROTFL

read the first two words

I THINK... salangai oli deserves a place.....

how am I supposed to know that? plz read that again, u'll know what I mean.

HATS WHY I MADE THAT I THINK IN CAPS

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:06:16 2006. [Full View]

Maniratnam's Anjali and Bombay are great movies as well....i feel they have been overlooked badly. Anjali and Bombay had undertones of emotional relationships playing over a theme brought out to perfection by MR.
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:06:27 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

thanks to TIME for ignoring some better movies...

exactly.. i think roja deserves a place there

one doubt...whats the exact climax....roja says "naan veeda veeda poi theduren"...nasser says "wait i will come"

when aravind swamy reaches the bridge...(dunno how roja comes there)...there is an army with roja...actually whats the climax

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:07:14 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

Maniratnam's Anjali and Bombay are great movies as well....i feel they have been overlooked badly. Anjali and Bombay had undertones of emotional relationships playing over a theme brought out to perfection by MR.

you overlooked Roja.. I love Roja (not the actress

)

From: Scale on Wed Oct 18 5:08:36 2006. [Full View]

Maddy,

Havent we seen in the past how this collectively formed opinion motivates them to bash MR. Why these discussions again and again?. And NOV thanks for your comments & that single posts reveals the true attitude of a neutral listener.

From my archieves, check this Mani Sir's reply to avekkattan sequel director

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/2002/04/12/stories/2002041201050100.htm

One of the best interviews of any Indian Directors.. Be proud to be in MR's era rather mudslinging foolishly.
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:08:46 2006. [Full View]

bombay is really a good movie...!
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:09:21 2006. [Full View]

sorry nilavu... i saw the first half of roja.. pardon me.. i meant to say bombay.. that's one of my fav
From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:09:51 2006. [Full View]

Roja was good but not as good compared to this two films. In fact Bombay is almost like a sequel of roja but done much more better. Roja had a major flaw in which Mani played too much of romance and sort of degraded the terrorist kidnapping part which made it look two sided.
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:11:21 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

sorry nilavu... i saw the first half of roja.. pardon me.. i meant to say bombay.. that's one of my fav

bombay is so good...accepted!
From: Scale on Wed Oct 18 5:11:53 2006. [Full View]

Shall we invite rajasaranam, shankar, njv to add fuel

Vijayr, please ignore yr presence!

Who has to chance whose attitude - Silently Visualises A Man of few words
From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 5:16:11 2006. [Full View]

there is one group of people, who think that they have reached the next level and think that their taste is much superior. they watch some great hindi movies , they listen to ARR and saturn-ratnam will be their favourite director..

but, whats really happening is that, these bunch of fools forget abt our own real india...

they think that they are westernized and fashionable..

they think that praising true tamils is language chauvinism , b'cos they are globalised junk

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:18:04 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

there is one group pf people, who think that they have reached the next level and think that their taste is much superior. they watch some great hindi movies , they listen to ARR and saturn-ratnam will be their favourite director..

but, whats really happening is that, these bunch of fools forget abt our own real india...

they think that they are westernized and fashionable..

they think that praising true tamils is language chauvinism , b'cos they are globalised junk Twisted Evil

i thought ....u said....i m searching for wiords...and u used the words what i have thought exactly...

nethiyadi...they think westernized shallow movies are great!...inga ulloorla urupuddiya edutha....low class nu solvanuga

they themselves think they have superior taste and everything below are low

From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Oct 18 5:21:36 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

i think after MR's exit from TF, there will be movies made only for vettiyans,auto drivers, black ticket selllers

boy.... they are also people of INDIA & they too have their story.... If u read Ananda vikatan, every week they are giving the review for one international award winning movie..... in that one story revolves around a theater operator..... those film makers c that there is a story even in the life of a kuppan & suppan.

MR stories always revolves around flat, apartment type upper middle class section. In earlier part of his career he did this kind of film, then moved into terrorist stories & repeated for some time.

I think, kamal did a fine job in virumaandi for that flash back scenes (explained by kamal & pasupathi differently) compared to the same type in ayudha ezhuthu.

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:24:32 2006.

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Quote:

it's a known fact that you have the superior taste.. but plz do accept us..

goutham

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:24:55 2006. [Full View]

Guys control the hatred here please.... Alright let me state this.

When you look at Bala his movies go down too realistic and they explore the emotions of one character using a theme. The problem is his ending is always sad and repititive and his movies are aimed at the tamil audience which loses the "global" appeal. The difference with MR is that he has a much more creative ending and is better at relating movies to the global audience. Other than that both are on par.

But one person whom MR can be compared to is selvaraghavan. If MR made a movie by exploring human emotions through themes Selvaraghavan advanced them further. Watch Pudhupettai...he would just bring out the emotions and realism without deviating from the theme..a mistake MR made in Dil se and Roja...that is where Selvaraghavan has a upper hand over MR.

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:27:08 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

Guys control the hatred here please.... Alright let me state this.

When you look at Bala his movies go down too realistic and they explore the emotions of one character using a theme. The problem is his ending is always sad and repititive and his movies are aimed at the tamil audience which loses the "global" appeal. The difference with MR is that he has a much more creative ending and is better at relating movies to the global audience. Other than that both are on par.

But one person whom MR can be compared to is selvaraghavan. If MR made a movie by exploring human emotions through themes Selvaraghavan advanced them further. Watch Pudhupettai...he would just bring out the emotions and realism without deviating from the theme..a mistake MR made in Dil se and Roja...that is where Selvaraghavan has a upper hand over MR. Very Happy

pochu innoru pathu pakkathukku indha oru vari podhum!

i feel selva has to develop a lot!....i hated 7G

From: raaja_rasigan on Wed Oct 18 5:27:18 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

they themselves think they have superior taste and everything below are low

exactly..... ivanga ellaam thirundhave maattaanga

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 5:27:36 2006.

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imsai wrote:

Quote:

it's a known fact that you have the superior taste.. but plz do accept us..

goutham Rolling Eyes

i never said that... i only said that those kind of people think so..

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:29:06 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

i never said that... i only said that those kind of people think so..

you don't say but you imply

anyway.. i think it's time to compare goutham with Mani

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 5:30:34 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

there is one group of people, who think that they have reached the next level and think that their taste is much superior. they watch some great hindi movies , they listen to ARR and saturn-ratnam will be their favourite director..

but, whats really happening is that, these bunch of fools forget abt our own real india...

they think that they are westernized and fashionable..

they think that praising true tamils is language chauvinism , b'cos they are globalised junk Twisted Evil

thats totally unwanted Aandavan..............define Indian culture for me??? for u guys India is Tamil nadu.......do u empathise with people outside TN??? and excuse me, we are not westernised......we have our own heads...........we need not copy some vellakaaran for our lifestyle........okvaa.........

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 5:32:09 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

i yes do understand the feelings of the people who live in the slums of mumbai and calcutta.. do u?

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 5:33:25 2006. [Full View]

for u kind of people, india is shining... please have a look at the other side of the coin also..
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:34:42 2006. [Full View]

karthick, u r going off topic..

We want Mani back, he's the best
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:34:58 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

for u kind of people, india is shining... please have a look at the other side of the coin also..

i think when mani portrayed that side of coin in his movies.....
From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:35:04 2006. [Full View]

Alright this is the scenario in which we might want MR back in kollywood.

1) All movies with no innovative storyline and poor narration.
2) Formulaic Mass movies all over the place.

Sadly thats not the case...we have loads of movies that have brilliant scripts..kadhal..raam..7G rainbow colony..pudhupettai..autograph which are gaining upon the global audience. We would love MR to be back in kollywood but with him already wanting to be in bollywood...i doubt he himself would come back...
From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:37:48 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

karthick, u r going off topic..

We want Mani back, he's the best

Not exactly....TV Chandran of Malayalam..Lal Jose..Sathyan Anikkad...and Mahendran,Bharathiraja of Tamil, Adhoor Gopalakrishnan are better than Mani.

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 5:37:51 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

for u kind of people, india is shining... please have a look at the other side of the coin also..

i think when mani portrayed that side of coin in his movies..... Rolling Eyes

he did in Kannathil, naayagan ,thalapathy, roja and bombay ... i like these 5 movies very much.. other movies are not great and over-hyped

...

what i hate in SR now is his attitude and the same applies for ARR ...

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 5:38:09 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

But one person whom MR can be compared to is selvaraghavan. If MR made a movie by exploring human emotions through themes Selvaraghavan advanced them further. Watch Pudhupettai...he would just bring out the emotions and realism without deviating from the theme..a mistake MR made in Dil se and Roja...that is where Selvaraghavan has a upper hand over MR. Very Happy

hulk u r comparing a legend of 20 years with a person who has been in business for 5 yrs......this is like telling YSR has upper hand over IR bcos YSR hasnt done the mistake of poor recording quality that Raaja did........infact selva and his fans feel proud to call him the next Mani

.....which itself shows who has upper hand over whom..........

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:40:27 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

imsai wrote:

karthick, u r going off topic..

We want Mani back, he's the best

Not exactly....TV Chandran of Malayalam..Lal Jose..Sathyan Anikkad...and Mahendran,Bharathiraja of Tamil, Adhoor Gopalakrishnan are better than Mani.

unlike others i won't laugh at ur opinions

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:41:22 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

.....which itself shows who has upper hand over whom..........

Do not compare time with quality...compare qualtiy with quality...Mani's Thalapathy was very good but when you compare it to pudhupettai which had better narration and much more in depth relationships...the jurys on pudhupettai's side. Even Idhayathai Thirudathae would lose out to 7G Rainbow Colony. Theres a bigger realism and better narration in selva movies which eclipse the minor flaws in MR movies...which makes selva slightly better than mani.

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:41:55 2006.

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imsai wrote:

Hulkster wrote:

imsai wrote:

karthick, u r going off topic..

We want Mani back, he's the best

Not exactly....TV Chandran of Malayalam..Lal Jose..Sathyan Anikkad...and Mahendran,Bharathiraja of Tamil, Adhoor Gopalakrishnan are better than Mani.

unlike others i won't laugh at ur opinions Very Happy

BECAUSE ITS A FACT!

he dint say "mani is not even in top ten" without any point...he is listing the directors names

From: jaiganes on Wed Oct 18 5:42:20 2006.

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NOV wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

NOV san, your team is in the lead. Why get so frustrated?
I would have understood your frustration if the Nays polled 65% right?

Team?

jaiganesh! howz married life? hardly see you in misc these days. must be happy LOL

ok, my frustration is from these: TN produces the best in all areas of moviemaking - acting, music, cinematography, direction, etc.
Yet our very own ppl take great pleasure in putting these great talents down.

Hi NOV!
married life is great. I have a new perspective on things . I am socially respected after marriage and after I have got a wonderful baby girl.
By TEAM, I meant the pro MR ppl who want him to make movies have polled 66% so far.

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:43:04 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

Hulkster wrote:

.....which itself shows who has upper hand over whom..........

selva has a long way to go!

he cant make his lead actor act first...ravikrishna

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:44:43 2006. [Full View]

Where are we going??

We want mani back, he's the best. imo
From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:45:22 2006. [Full View]

Ravikrishna yeah....he was a major flaw in 7G Rainbow Colony...if Jeeva or even Dhanush had done that it would have gained better recognition.
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:46:29 2006. [Full View]

Hulkster wrote:

Ravikrishna yeah....he was a major flaw in 7G Rainbow Colony...if Jeeva or even Dhanush had done that it would have gained better recognition.

i guess even maniratnam or bala cant make him act!....not even barathiraja who beats his actors if they dont act well

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 5:48:21 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

Mani's Thalapathy was very good but when you compare it to pudhupettai which had better narration and much more in depth relationships...the jurys on pudhupettai's side. Even Idhayathai Thirudathae would lose out to 7G Rainbow Colony. Theres a bigger realism and better narration in selva movies which eclipse the minor flaws in MR movies...which makes selva slightly better than mani.

no way......the romance that melts you in Idhayathai Thirudathae is totally absent in 7G..........hulk pls put a IMO in ur posts......selva can never recreate Mani's romantic sequences........he is too raw to think about all this........

theres a world of diff betn PP and Dalapathy.......Dalapathy was more about frndship than abt a goons life......and i guess it was portrayed perfectly in dalapathy...........

hulk, u think if something is raw its gr8 and if something is beautifully presented u think its silghtly less........

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:49:36 2006. [Full View]

...Perhaps Bala can who is famous for getting the best out of his lead actors....but if he cannot i wonder

Let us not go off topic....imsai to you mani is the best...but there were directors who had explored the style of mani too...i am not sure if you have watched adhoor gopalakrishnan movies..they are a class above the rest...mani has a more westernised approach which makes it appealing...but that does not mean his is more classy....when you want to say who is best director in india....the person's movies should reflect on india rather than going too westernised...that is why i said he is not the best..
From: alwarpet_andavan on Wed Oct 18 5:50:11 2006. [Full View]

<BigDigression>
Jaiganes/PR,
Since the Sithan characterization is still being discussed, me also 'sandhula-sindhu-paading'

The problem i see with the character is not that its a vettiyan role or its something which we don't *normally* see. The problem is we *never* see that kind of character because there can be no reason why Sithan behaves the way he does. They show a child Sithan singing and talking(?) but the adult doesn't utter a word. There is no way he could have been out of touch with civilization. Had Bala developed the character by making him an 'animal man' [like the kid in Francois Truffaut's 'The Wild Child'] wherein he lives in a jungle and hence the animal-like posture, walking, growls, ignorance of human habits, lack of communications etc would have made perfect sense. Just because he is a vettiyan, it doesn't make any sense if Bala has us believe that Sithan is out of touch with humans and he is the way he is.

And i've not yet started on Laila's characterization (and 'acting' ) in the film.

Like i said i liked the movie but i would have liked it more had it not been for the Sithan characterization, considering the fact that i could grit my teeth and bear with Laila's concentrated efforts on acting.

</BigDigression>

Regarding Mani, though he can hardly be type-cast [inspite of Roja/Bombay/Dil Se/KM], i would like to see him move out of his comfort zone and do a hard hitting village subject.
From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 5:53:41 2006. [Full View]

hulkster. plz define what you mean by 'best'. everyone has a defintion.. there's not really a Right definition so...

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:55:47 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

...Perhaps Bala can who is famous for getting the best out of his lead actors....but if he cannot i wonder Rolling Eyes

Let us not go off topic....imsai to you mani is the best...but there were directors who had explored the style of mani too...i am not sure if you have watched adhoor gopalakrishnan movies..they are a class above the rest...mani has a more westernised approach which makes it appealing...but that does not mean his is more classy....when you want to say who is best director in india....the person's movies should reflect on india rather than going too westernised...that is why i said he is not the best.. Very Happy

MAHENDRAN'S MOVIES ARE MOROVER IN THE STYLE OF MANI!

i strongly believe mani is inspired from mahendran...photogrpahy style,less dialogues etc

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 5:57:03 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

...Perhaps Bala can who is famous for getting the best out of his lead actors....but if he cannot i wonder Rolling Eyes

are there any links to download adoor movies?...ateast elipatham...it is said to be too good

From: jaiganes on Wed Oct 18 5:57:20 2006.

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Scale wrote:

Maddy,

Havent we seen in the past how this collectively formed opinion motivates them to bash MR. Why these discussions again and again?. And NOV thanks for your comments & that single posts reveals the true attitude of a neutral listener.

From my archieves, check this Mani Sir's reply to avekkattan sequel director

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/2002/04/12/stories/2002041201050100.htm

One of the best interviews of any Indian Directors.. Be proud to be in MR's era rather mudslinging foolishly.

Thats a wonderful interview.
particularly the response..

Quote:

get anywhere near what Mahendran did in ``Udhiri Pookkal'' I'll be a happy man. Sensitive images...? I'm trying...all the time... Let me see if one day...

and
Adoor's question:

Quote:

What I miss in your films is the feel of something essentially Tamil. Why, when you start off with the real thing, do you get straitjacketed into the routine?

and MR's response..

Quote:

I'm trying to do something better while staying within mainstream cinema, between the two worlds. You ask me why I can't step out and do something different. Maybe I can. I don't know how well I can do it. Some day I'll try. (Reflectively) Coming to think of it I didn't know how well I could handle popular cinema when I started...(chuckling) I still don't know how well I'll do whatever I do next.

Thats mazhuppal response. what he means is that if it is essentially Tamil, then it is not essentially saleable (to whom ? Bollywood?).
That is why he is better off with Bollywood than Kollywood.

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 5:59:46 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

Hulkster wrote:

Perhaps...remember that Mani's movies themselves were not accepted initially when they were faced with the films of KB,Mahendran and Bharathiraja...but it was only when Mahendran disappeared and KB making less films did MR start gaining much more headway and Mouna Raagam clicked it for him. The rest was history.

It is too hasty to call selva as raw....till now i have never seen a movie like pudhupettai which actually dealt totally in depth with emotions and showed different shades of a character(goon). This i feel is what makes selva a strong comparison to mani. The romance of mani's films are quite enthusiatic and pleasant to see...but they are not innovative...7G rainbow colony was very haunting. To me i dunt think of romance as a totally happy subject...romance itself is a spectrum of emotions....7G rainbow colony dealt with it brilliantly where idayathai thirudathae failed.

Mani may be a better picturiser of romance in its happy mood but Selva stands above him with the way he brings out every feel of romance in 7G rainbow colony. That is why i say selva is better than mani.

PS: Kadhal Kondaen was flawed though....but the other two movies made it up for him.

From: alwarpet_andavan on Wed Oct 18 6:03:18 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

Adoor's question:

Quote:

What I miss in your films is the feel of something essentially Tamil. Why, when you start off with the real thing, do you get straitjacketed into the routine?

Nalla Kelvi!

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 6:05:44 2006. [Full View]

Adoor movies are not available for download..but i managed to see some reviews and scenes of his movie on a channel where his screenplay and direction was way ahead of its time. I actually thought it was directed recently.

Imsai when we say best director in india we mean someone whose direction,screenplay mixes movie fiction well with human emotions without deviating from the story it is based on. Mani fails in the aspect where he goes too much into the emotions in certain movies like Iruvar and Roja.

From: jaiganes on Wed Oct 18 6:30:09 2006.

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alwarpet_andavan wrote:

<BigDigression>
Jaiganes/PR,
Since the Sithan characterization is still being discussed, me also 'sandhula-sindhu-paading' Smile

The problem i see with the character is not that its a vettiyan role or its something which we don't *normally* see. The problem is we *never* see that kind of character because there can be no reason why Sithan behaves the way he does. They show a child Sithan singing and talking(?) but the adult doesn't utter a word. There is no way he could have been out of touch with civilization. Had Bala developed the character by making him an 'animal man' [like the kid in Francois Truffaut's 'The Wild Child'] wherein he lives in a jungle and hence the animal-like posture, walking, growls, ignorance of human habits, lack of communications etc would have made perfect sense. Just because he is a vettiyan, it doesn't make any sense if Bala has us believe that Sithan is out of touch with humans and he is the way he is.

And i've not yet started on Laila's characterization (and 'acting' Banging Head

) in the film.

Like i said i liked the movie but i would have liked it more had it not been for the Sithan characterization, considering the fact that i could grit my teeth and bear with Laila's concentrated efforts on acting.

</BigDigression>

Regarding Mani, though he can hardly be type-cast [inspite of Roja/Bombay/Dil Se/KM], i would like to see him move out of his comfort zone and do a hard hitting village subject.

AA! Sithan character is not a stereotype! There is no suggestion in the movie that all vettiyans are like that. In fact sithan's adopted father is a normal vettiyaan. However what is left untold is that, the vettiyan in the fag stage of life brings up this kid with very little affection and very little human interaction. In fact he grows up outside the society. Now is there a reference for any such character? I guess no. That is why Bala has taken the liberty of creating him as a man who is only biologically human. It is a work of fiction and Bala's success lies in the fact that he made it look so real inspite of being unreal. The contrast characters Shakthi and Gomathi are so real. In fact Surya remarked how they videographed real life quacks for sketching that character! So you have one unreal character and some real characters playing out in a precarious society filled with danger(villain mahadevan). As far as your cribs for Manju's character(Laila), I share it to a certain extent. However in a separate interview when asked Bala replies that he has come across such girls in small towns. As I am not a person from small towns and as I haven't read any such characters in Thamizh literature as well, I can give him a benefit of doubt on that.
Sithan does talk or sing. In fact he is shown singing in the song "Ilangaatru veesudhae", just that cleverly muted for the montage song to have an impact for the climax - again clever manipulation tactics. Again the credit for this goes to Vikram as told by Bala and Vikram in some interviews.

Bringing back the radar on MR, how many times have we discussed MR's characters and stories like this? We only have discussed his song picturisation or camera angles etc. etc., he himself seems to be resigned to the fact that screenplay is his forte in addition to his foundational competency that is aesthetic framing of visuals and chic and urbane presentation.

Someone discussed Roja here. The character of Roja itself is a village girl only in looks or certain mannerisms (lack of english knowledge ??) Otherwise, her sensibilities and sensitivities are perfectly that of a middle class urban girl IMO. nobody seems to talk about "Thiruda Thiruda" ,an atrocious attempt to do an RGV "Kshanam Kshanam" style of movie in Thamizh (I dont want to insult Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid movies. They are more profound).

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 6:40:05 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

remember that Mani's movies themselves were not accepted initially when they were faced with the films of KB,Mahendran and Bharathiraja...but it was only when Mahendran disappeared and KB making less films did MR start gaining much more headway and Mouna Raagam clicked it for him. The rest was history.

Mani may be a better picturiser of romance in its happy mood but Selva stands above him with the way he brings out every feel of romance in 7G rainbow colony. That is why i say selva is better than mani.

Hulk i dunno why this hub is full of ppl. who keep saying - only after kamal left for hindi movies, rajini became a super* in tamil, only after IR didnt want to do big banners ARR became a MD, only after Mahendran left the scene (i dont remember anyone forcing him to do so) Mani became famous, hmmmm.......so i can also say only after Mani went to Hindi all these Selvas and cherans are blossoming......

i dont know wat all shades of romance he bought out in 7G.........but the change in love before and after marriage shown in AP was out of the world......i feel Mani is better than Selva when it comes to romance and also Mani has touched many more subjects than selva can think of.......Mani is more a complete director......hulk, simple question - why does selvaraghavan and his fans feel proud to call himself the next Maniratnam.....i think that itself a testimony of who is better than whom.......

back to topic guys, in a forum dominated by kamal/IR fans this has been a overwhelming response in favor of Maniratnam......16 out of 24 ppl. want him back.......if this is the case in HUB then i guess it would be more than 80% outside, which means Mani is still a wanted personality by movie lovers of TN........

From: Hulkster on Wed Oct 18 6:47:55 2006. [Full View]

I dunt think selva is the next mani...he is abit different in the way they explore themes...but i feel he is better just due to the way selva keeps in line with subject.....i only started raising this issue when people claimed mani as the best....but i appreciate mani alot and he is certainly one of the best directors in india..but best is a big doubt.

Time will tell about selva's success but till then i will drop the comparison...im saying about the mani being accpeted matter cos u said selva was raw. People then thought mani was raw and look where he is now. Thats the same for selva...

From: Thirumaran on Wed Oct 18 7:20:08 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

I dunt think selva is the next mani...he is abit different in the way they explore themes...but i feel he is better just due to the way selva keeps in line with subject.....i only started raising this issue when people claimed mani as the best....but i appreciate mani alot and he is certainly one of the best directors in india..but best is a big doubt.

Time will tell about selva's success but till then i will drop the comparison...im saying about the mani being accpeted matter cos u said selva was raw. People then thought mani was raw and look where he is now. Thats the same for selva... Very Happy

Right. Mani is one among the best. Selva, Bala and Cheran will be in the top soon in my opinion.

They have their own way of filmmaking. Let us see where they reach after few more films.

They have allready attained popularity with just few films and people recognize their movie for them. I hope they wont let their recognition go away.

Some people's opinion will keep on changing depends on their favourite actor's availablity for particular director and based on rumours. Let us not take them seriously.

From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Oct 18 7:21:15 2006.

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imsai wrote:

Ulaganayagan wrote:

Yeah comparing Bala to Mani doesnt make sense..Its like comparing Rajini with Dhanush Mad

for thinkin that i'm a rajini fan..

second, u guys have no life without rajini Cry2

<dig>
I dont care whose fan you are ..

Simply compare the number for RK fans barging into Kamal's threads VS the number of Kamal fans coming into RK's threads..You'll know who cant live without whom ...

end of <dig>

From: Nerd on Wed Oct 18 11:08:28 2006. [Full View]

UN boy, we dont BARGE into slums unless we are called for You guys cant live without dragging rajini into slums and wecome there to SAVE him, thats it.

Back to maNi:

I read someone praising SR over MR and saying SR's 7G is better than IT. Have u seen 7G carefully, have u seen where RK's eyes will be in almost all the scenes in the movie ?? sonia's Is that a movie first of all ??

And saying that MR fans' IQ is less than a bala's fan is absolutely stupid and condemnable. I enjoy Kubrick movies more than spielberg's, it doesnt mean that my IQ is better than a Spielberg's fan and I would never ever claim that.

If you have a sithan, we had a vElu nayakkar(slums), rOja(village)

NOV, excellent posts
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 11:11:54 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Have u seen 7G carefully, have u seen where RK's eyes will be in almost all the scenes in the movie ?? sonia's Is that a movie first of all ??

I dint see that movie !! Could you pls tell me where ??
From: rocketboy on Wed Oct 18 12:03:29 2006. [Full View]

-duplicate message-

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 12:04:11 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Nerd wrote:

Have u seen 7G carefully, have u seen where RK's eyes will be in almost all the scenes in the movie ?? sonia's Banging Head

Is that a movie first of all ??

I dint see that movie !! Could you pls tell me where ?? Rolling Eyes

NERD IS RIGHT!

7/g .....

From: rocketboy on Wed Oct 18 12:04:19 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

Aandavan , I like this post of yours . ( No disrespect to ARR)

From: kb on Wed Oct 18 12:06:49 2006.

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Ulaganayagan wrote:

<dig>
I dont care whose fan you are .. Rolling Eyes

Simply compare the number for RK fans barging into Kamal's threads VS the number of Kamal fans coming into RK's threads..You'll know who cant live without whom ... Laughing

end of <dig>

ithu eppalurundhu..

b4 2006 or after 2006

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 12:14:38 2006.

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rocketboy wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

Aandavan , I like this post of yours . ( No disrespect to ARR)

Wow! I just saw AANDAVAN's post !! Thanks for quoting it !!

I think it's the perfect example of UNSOPHISTICATED Stereotyping with totally subjective assumptions !!!

Sorry Karthik, I dont want to debate with you on that ... But yo've just totally TRASHED some ppl who go out of the state and country and get a feel of how OTHERS think abt Tamilians and our culture !!! It's not because those ppl dont like Tamil that they try to fit in with the outside world ... It's only because they care more for our culture that they want us to be INTEGRATED with the whole of India and the world outside TN !!!

From: rocketboy on Wed Oct 18 12:21:27 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

dude, we have good IQs.......infact MR's fans form the cream of Indian population because of whom our economy is in a boom.

Hollow argument. I will never claim that I am more intelligent than an uneducated , naked African pygmy. When is this comparison appropriate? Only when the African pygmy gets the same privileges I had , he goes to the same school I went and still perfoms worse than me in each and every test that has been devised to assess intelligence . Even then I can't claim to be more intelligent because the whole concept of intelligence is subjective.
From: Nerd on Wed Oct 18 12:22:40 2006. [Full View]

RB, this IQ thingi started with Jaiganes's post which kicked off hollow arguments

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 12:25:16 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

I think it's the perfect example of UNSOPHISTICATED Stereotyping with totally subjective assumptions !!! Embarassed

i never said anything against the NRIs or people who reside outside tamil nadu... there are many such people who live in TN ..... please dont misinterpret what i posted...

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 12:28:01 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

i never said anything against the NRIs or people who reside outside tamil nadu... there are many such people who will in TN ..... please dont misinterpret what i posted... Twisted Evil

Then it's COOL !!

Anyways, I just happened to scroll through the pages from where we left off yesterday !!! Man, you guys had some REAL DISCUSSIONS here huh !!!

From: Nerd on Wed Oct 18 12:28:58 2006. [Full View]

@ Aandavan,

The only thing u were are dhotis and lungis and kadhar aadai isit ??

globalized junk ?? dont u ever wear jeans/ dont u ever use foreign products

From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Oct 18 12:33:15 2006.

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kb wrote:

Ulaganayagan wrote:

<dig>
I dont care whose fan you are .. Rolling Eyes

Simply compare the number for RK fans barging into Kamal's threads VS the number of Kamal fans coming into RK's threads..You'll know who cant live without whom ... Laughing

end of <dig>

ithu eppalurundhu..

b4 2006 or after 2006 Rolling Eyes

i dont know on which context you are asking this..If its about the hub,i am referring to the stuff that i've seen since i joined (approx 2 months)

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 12:35:52 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

@ Aandavan,

The only thing u were are dhotis and lungis and kadhar aadai isit ??

globalized junk ?? dont u ever wear jeans/ dont u ever use foreign products
globalised junk means, peetru pasanga who ignore our achievements and over rate mediocore westernised things... dont post unrelevant things here...
From: Nerd on Wed Oct 18 12:39:55 2006. [Full View]

in which dictionary ?? and whatever u post are totally irrelevant as well
From: joe on Wed Oct 18 12:49:54 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

@ Aandavan,

The only thing u were are dhotis and lungis and kadhar aadai isit ??

globalized junk ?? dont u ever wear jeans/ dont u ever use foreign products

தமிழ் நாட்டுல தமிழனா பொறந்து வளர்ந்துகிட்டு "எனக்கு டமில் அவ்வளவா தெரியாது' -ன்னு சொல்லிகிட்டு (அது ஒரு பெருமையாம்) ,தமிழ் தொலைக்காட்சியில பேச மைக் குடுத்தா தான் ஆங்கிலம் பேசத் தெரிந்த அறிவாளின்னு காட்டிக்கிறதுக்காகவே ஒரு வாக்கியமாவது இடையில ஆங்கிலத்தில பேசுறது (அதுவும் தப்பு தப்பா) , 'நமக்கு ஷாருக்கான் சல்மான் கான் தான் பிடிக்கும்' (அவங்க படம் ஒண்னும் பாக்கல்லிண்ணாலும்) -ன்னு பீலா வுட்டுகிட்டு (அவங்க ரேஞ்சுக்கு இங்குள்ள நடிகர்கள்ளாம் ஒரு பொருட்டே இல்லையாம்) ,ஆங்கிலம் அதிகம் தெரிஞ்சவன் தான் பெரிய அறிவாளி-ன்னு நம்பிகிட்டிருக்குற சில பேரை சொல்லுறார்ன்னு நினைக்குறேன்,
From: Nerd on Wed Oct 18 12:52:00 2006. [Full View]

Let that be. I am not like that. I enjoy MR movies as well as chEran movies. I rate MR higher than chEran. Thats about it
From: Ulaganayagan on Wed Oct 18 12:53:10 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

UN boy, we dont BARGE into slums unless we are called for You guys cant live without dragging rajini into slums and wecome there to SAVE him, thats it.

Thats contentious..But we'll discuss that someplace else..

From: imsai on Wed Oct 18 12:57:06 2006.

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Ulaganayagan wrote:

<dig>
I dont care whose fan you are .. Rolling Eyes

Simply compare the number for RK fans barging into Kamal's threads VS the number of Kamal fans coming into RK's threads..You'll know who cant live without whom ... Laughing

end of <dig>

I can list a few people's name who can't live without misspelling or mentioning RK's name.

At last I found out whose fans are more decent

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 13:17:34 2006.

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joe wrote:

Nerd wrote:

@ Aandavan,

The only thing u were are dhotis and lungis and kadhar aadai isit ??

globalized junk ?? dont u ever wear jeans/ dont u ever use foreign products Evil or Very Mad

தமிழ் நாட்டுல தமிழனா பொறந்து வளர்ந்துகிட்டு "எனக்கு டமில் அவ்வளவா தெரியாது' -ன்னு சொல்லிகிட்டு (அது ஒரு பெருமையாம்) ,தமிழ் தொலைக்காட்சியில பேச மைக் குடுத்தா தான் ஆங்கிலம் பேசத் தெரிந்த அறிவாளின்னு காட்டிக்கிறதுக்காகவே ஒரு வாக்கியமாவது இடையில ஆங்கிலத்தில பேசுறது (அதுவும் தப்பு தப்பா) , 'நமக்கு ஷாருக்கான் சல்மான் கான் தான் பிடிக்கும்' (அவங்க படம் ஒண்னும் பாக்கல்லிண்ணாலும்) -ன்னு பீலா வுட்டுகிட்டு (அவங்க ரேஞ்சுக்கு இங்குள்ள நடிகர்கள்ளாம் ஒரு பொருட்டே இல்லையாம்) ,ஆங்கிலம் அதிகம் தெரிஞ்சவன் தான் பெரிய அறிவாளி-ன்னு நம்பிகிட்டிருக்குற சில பேரை சொல்லுறார்ன்னு நினைக்குறேன்,

bang on ....

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 13:28:42 2006.

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joe wrote:

I totally understand what you mean !! And believe me, I have come across many many guys in school and college while I was in Madras like this .... But at the same time, Loving MR and ARR and their work, or watching Hindi movies or liking Shahrukh or Salman, could also be done by some GENUINE tamils that think JUST like you or Aandavan right ???

If you agree on that, then we also have to say that the folks who like all these BANDHA things are just thinkin beyond the box, and not degrading or forgetting Tamil or its culture in any way !!

Of course, I hate such hypocrites too, that put up a FAKE image under the false pretense that anything non-tamil is FANCY !!

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 18 13:33:56 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

i didnt attack all ARR and MR fans.. only those who ignore our good movies

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 13:34:21 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Loving MR and ARR and their work, or watching Hindi movies or liking Shahrukh or Salman, could also be done by some GENUINE tamils that think JUST like you or Aandavan right ???

Absoultely Right! But without thinking like "anything non-tamil is FANCY !! "(as you mentioned)

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 13:39:14 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

i didnt attack all ARR and MR fans.. only those who ignore our good movies Cool

Aandava, people dont INTEND to ignore good Tamil movies !!! It's just that NOT everybody likes all movies !! It just happens dude !! We cant question their subjective nature and stereotype them all !!

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 13:41:23 2006.

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joe wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Loving MR and ARR and their work, or watching Hindi movies or liking Shahrukh or Salman, could also be done by some GENUINE tamils that think JUST like you or Aandavan right ???

Absoultely Right! But without thinking like "anything non-tamil is FANCY !! "(as you mentioned) Thumbs Up!

Thanks !!

<Digr>

Also Joe and Aandavan, have you guys ever heard from OTHER Indians that "Tamils are Anti-nationals", just because we dont speak Hindi !!! They simply assume we are rejecting Hindi as the national language and goin around saying Tamil is the best language in the world !!! I've heard that statement many times, and it hurts a LOT !!!

<Digr>

From: joe on Wed Oct 18 13:46:59 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

<Digr>

Yes,It shows their ignorance! If they think "You can be an indian only if you speak Hindi" ,I don't expect these ignorants to certify my patriotism .I love my language and nation.

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 13:51:03 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

I love my language and nation.

<Digr>

We all do !! I'm just pointing out the perceptions that I hear from both sides !!

<Digr>

From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 13:54:37 2006.

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joe wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

<Digr>

Yes,It shows their ignorance! If they think "You can be an indian only if you speak Hindi" ,I don't expect these ignorants to certify my patriotism .I love my language and nation. Smile

do they speak tamil... ipdi kEtta epdi irukkum

and also some guys think bollywood cinema is cinema and regional cinemas are not upto the standard....due to the showy representation

From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 14:30:01 2006. [Full View]

oh my......i knew bringing out Maniratnam's discussion would touch many social issues.......thats the kinda impact my man has made on Tamil society.......

hey guys, i lived most of my life in North India/Mumbai.....they call me Madhrasi,LTTE,Anna and wat not..... ..........North Indians esp Delhiites are world renowned for their stupid stereo typing of other cultures/regions........they dont even know that Tamil,Telugu,kannada are different languages..... ......

i speak Hindi the most in a day but only as a communication language and not as our national language...........for me every language that a Indian speaks is national language......

Aandavan, dont worry, that phase of youth have passed out.......today's youth are the ones who party hard,smoke,drink at the same time work to their hilt and have a very progressive lifestyle yet so Indian.........they realise the value of rich tamil culture.......i'm really happy that India is in good hands......just wait and watch, the politicians, govt officials from the current youth would rock tommorow.......

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 15:09:22 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

do they speak tamil... ipdi kEtta epdi irukkum ROTFL

and also some guys think bollywood cinema is cinema and regional cinemas are not upto the standard....due to the showy representation

We can ask them, but the difference is, they are gonna laugh as us and not the other way round !!!

Well, it all depends on HOW MANY ppl speak thae language, and HOW BIG the market of a particular movie industry is !!!

From: Thirumaran on Wed Oct 18 15:15:02 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

My Mom made me intelligent in 20 years
My Ex-GF made me mad in 20 months

What about hub
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 15:17:08 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

MADDY wrote:

My Mom made me intelligent in 20 years
My Ex-GF made me mad in 20 months

What about hub

Drove me CRAZY and ADDICTIVE !!!
From: Thirumaran on Wed Oct 18 16:02:12 2006. [Full View]

dont know where to post..

Cheran's interview

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-10-18/pg9.php
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 16:04:24 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

dont know where to post..

Cheran's interview

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-10-18/pg9.php

There is a TT thread somewhere in 10th page !!

From: Thirumaran on Wed Oct 18 16:10:01 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Thirumaran wrote:

dont know where to post.. Rolling Eyes

Cheran's interview

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-10-18/pg9.php

There is a TT thread somewhere in 10th page !!

Then u can do me a favour. Revive that thread in sinthiya's style.

i will post there and delete here

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 16:12:20 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

Then u can do me a favour. Revive that thread in sinthiya's style.

i will post there and delete here

It's on Page 6 !!
From: x on Wed Oct 18 17:24:58 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

globalised junk means, peetru pasanga who ignore our achievements and over rate mediocore westernised things... dont post unrelevant things here...

There is one equally unfit director cum actor who by the name of INSPIRATION has lifted scenes and themes from foreign movies. You never showed the slightest regard for his criminal, hypocritical ethic and have stuck resolutely to your position, hypocritical orator.
From: x on Wed Oct 18 17:29:28 2006. [Full View]

If you can have an argument without deviating from the ongoing discussion, then I'm here to give. If you prefer to mudsling, that is fine too
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 17:35:09 2006. [Full View]

Wow! Sounds like somebody is here for a HOT DISCUSSION !!
From: MADDY on Wed Oct 18 18:08:07 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

MADDY wrote:

My Mom made me intelligent in 20 years
My Ex-GF made me mad in 20 months

What about hub

made me a half-lawyer in 2 years....

so X, do u want Maniratnam to work in tamil or not??
From: Thirumaran on Wed Oct 18 18:14:36 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Wow! Sounds like somebody is here for a HOT DISCUSSION !!

I am sure if any such thing happens u will be crying in the end
From: Thirumaran on Wed Oct 18 18:19:15 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

made me a half-lawyer in 2 years....

So, u were lying in 677 of your posts
From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 18 20:14:39 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Wow! Sounds like somebody is here for a HOT DISCUSSION !!

I am sure if any such thing happens u will be crying in the end

Why would I ?? I would be the least affected party, trust me !!
From: nilavupriyan on Wed Oct 18 23:57:04 2006. [Full View]

x wrote:

If you can have an argument without deviating from the ongoing discussion, then I'm here to give. If you prefer to mudsling, that is fine too

yen...yen indha soodu....

yaru vendamnu thadutha...ennamo naalu peru kaiya type panna vidama thadukura maadhiri buildup kudukureenga
From: kidils on Thu Oct 19 10:41:51 2006. [Full View]

the question shud be rephrased as

Does Maniratham want to make another Tamil movie ever?

he left kollywood because audiences poor taste for crap commercial films.....
From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 10:57:18 2006. [Full View]

Kidlis,
He left because ppl started dumping his soulless crap movies like Ayitha Ezuthu.
Thats it. Plus heroes have stopped giving bulk dates for MR to make some slow moving music video kinda movies where they know there will me a Madhavan or Siddharth with no fan following eat into their screen space.
Frankly though there might be 70% support for him in the hub, among today's heroes , he doesn't even command 10% Unless you consider Madhavan and Siddarth alone to be the onlyThamizh heroes.
Also remember - if taken well his movies have always had a good run. If sodhappufied, his movies fell flat even in his peak time (Thiruda Thiruda and Iruvar).

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 11:37:18 2006.

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Kidlis,
He left because ppl started dumping his soulless crap movies like Ayitha Ezuthu.
Thats it. Plus heroes have stopped giving bulk dates for MR to make some slow moving music video kinda movies where they know there will me a Madhavan or Siddharth with no fan following eat into their screen space.
Frankly though there might be 70% support for him in the hub, among today's heroes , he doesn't even command 10% Unless you consider Madhavan and Siddarth alone to be the onlyThamizh heroes.
Also remember - if taken well his movies have always had a good run. If sodhappufied, his movies fell flat even in his peak time (Thiruda Thiruda and Iruvar).

* AE is NOT a soul-less crap movie for all ... It depends on ppl's individual tastes, and is very SUBJECTIVE !!!

* Well, if heros are not willing to give bulk dates for Mani's movies, then it's their LOSS, not Mani's loss ... I bet if there is an announcent tomm that VJ or AJ has signed a movie with Mani, their fans are gonna be ECSTATIC !! That's Mani's power !!

* Slow moving music videos - I agree some songs in his movies are like that ... But Mani does not include songs just for commercial or entertainment purposes .. His songs are truly SITUATIONAL !! Unfortunately Mani doesnt rely on Kuthu songs to make his songs popular ... His albums have been the best sellers in history !!

* I think the reason why the HUB has 70% support for Mani is that, we belong to the previous generation (or say as less than 10 years ahead of the current one) ... If not even 10% of today's heros like him, then why do every single actor including VJ, AJ, Surya, Vikram, and Maddy say their fav director is Mani, and they all waana act atleast in one movie with him ??

* Well, sounds like Maddy and Siddharth have aspirations beyond just being a masala hero !!! KUDOS to those guys !! Too sad the other new heros arent thinkin BEYOND THE BOX yet !!

* YES, I agree with you on one thing ... If SODDHAPPIFIED, they flop !!! But again, that applies to every single director, not just Mani !!

From: nilavupriyan on Thu Oct 19 12:25:20 2006. [Full View]

kidils wrote:

the question shud be rephrased as

Does Maniratham want to make another Tamil movie ever?
he left kollywood because audiences poor taste for crap commercial films.....

half of what u have said is correct!

its actually maniratnam who decided to do bollywood and no director is as respected as mani in tamil...he could do movies with anyone but for rajni and kamal!

regarding taste....i don think so...he is a trendsetter...a tresndsetter can pull audience!...he can...but he should use any big heroes ..it would become a smashj hit
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 12:29:56 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

If sodhappufied, his movies fell flat even in his peak time (Thiruda Thiruda and Iruvar).

I still cant understand how TT flopped.. Its a feel good movie and had fantastic songs. One of THE best albums from ARR.

And regarding iruvar, that ranks in my top 5 MR films. That IMO is one of his best and yeh its a kubrick kinda movie and u need high IQ to watch and understand that
From: joe on Thu Oct 19 12:38:53 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

u need high IQ to watch and understand that
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 12:49:02 2006. [Full View]

Joe, I dont know if you are following this thread as close as I do. That was the claim of JG in regards to bAlA movies and I thought I d give the same thing back to him. And I have alraedy mentioned that bringing IQ into movies is one of the worst ways of arguing

And I m glad that made u laugh
From: MADDY on Thu Oct 19 14:13:53 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

know there will me a Madhavan or Siddharth with no fan following eat into their screen space.

helloo .....u keep on attacking my fav personalities......first mani, now Maddy and next who - ARR???

who told u Maddy doesent have a fan following in Tamil??? still many girls die for his smile.....and there are intellectuals like me also supporting him..........Maddy is sure to stay here and will rock TF for a long time......enna bay naan solradhu.......

jai, as i have been mantaining, he is the only guy who can cater to middle class/upper middle class sensitivities........if he leaves, then we also have to get down to watch kuthhu movies/subject special movies from the famous 3.......

btw, cheran padam mattum ennavam - suntv serial madhirdhaan irukku.....

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 14:24:07 2006.

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who told u Maddy doesent have a fan following in Tamil??? still many girls die for his smile.....and there are intellectuals like me Wink

also supporting him..........Maddy is sure to stay here and will rock TF for a long time......enna bay naan solradhu.......

Of Course Maddy, MADDY rocks !!

I enjoyed his movies AP and MINNALE as a lover-boy, AE as a bad guy, and was completely blown away with THAMBI !!! I see total versatility ... But as an action-lover, I want him to do more roles like AE and THAMBI than the chick-flick kinda roles !!

From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 14:41:42 2006. [Full View]

MADDY is the best thing to have happened in tamil cinema in the past 6 years or so. Who brought out the actor in him ??

As a lover boy in AP
As a responsible dad in KM
As a henchman in AE

Boy what versatililty and only MR can do that.

He reminded RK of his excellent acting skills in thaLapathi. Boy he had to smoke 20 cigarrettes when they shot the climax to bring out the emotions and he himself was like MaNi, innOru dhadava eduthudalaam

MR is a director par excellence who brings the best out of even a non-actor. Thats why I wish young guns like aj/vj to act in a movie under him
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 14:46:37 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

MR is a director par excellence who brings the best out of even a non-actor. Thats why I wish young guns like aj/vj to act in a movie under him

Yay Baby !!!

One thing for sure is that .... All guys that dont think Mani is good at the BO now .... I bet if he makes a movie with either Vijay or Ajith or Vikram, it will smash the BO !!!

He will make a movie of his style and class, and make the SUPERSTARS act in them ... That's the diff bet him and other directors !!
From: rocketboy on Thu Oct 19 14:48:53 2006. [Full View]

Your Mani rathnam needs a Maddy. CHeran can manage with Paarthiban and sometimes even unestablished actors
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 14:50:13 2006. [Full View]

I think MADDY refused to act in a Cheran movie !!! Would he say the same to a Mani movie ??
From: rocketboy on Thu Oct 19 14:54:11 2006. [Full View]

cheran padathala nadikkanumla . Athan
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 14:55:37 2006. [Full View]

rocketboy wrote:

Your Mani rathnam needs a Maddy. CHeran can manage with Paarthiban and sometimes even unestablished actors

Maddy was established as a class actor when AP came out

Nagarjuna was a class actor when IT came out

arvindswamy was a class actor when rOja came out, huh ??

Who would have the guts to caste raghuvran as a hero in anjali (not exactly a here though)
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 14:58:42 2006. [Full View]

rocketboy wrote:

cheran padathala nadikkanumla . Athan

Cheran padathula kashtapattu nadichaalum, padam odanum-la, athaan !!
From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 16:03:49 2006. [Full View]

thread of the week
From: MADDY on Thu Oct 19 18:13:41 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

thread of the week

start pannadhu yaaru ....
From: nickraman on Thu Oct 19 19:25:28 2006. [Full View]

The problem is that no south star wants to ACT with Mani. They're too busy becoming remaking mass movies *cough Vijay cough*, doing other regional movies, or just sticking it with the small-screens (tv serials). We're still waiting on that Kamal-Mani combo again, after the megahit, "Nayagan."

Besides after the super-flop AE, which happened to kill Trisha's turning point in Kollywood as to Siddharth (he's only done 1 tamil movie!) Had the movie clicked, Trisha might have stuck around in Kollywood for sometime, but she didn't, hence her one year absence and her trip to Tollywood, where her Varsham (Mazhai in tamil) brought her success in telugu. Siddharth moved on to Tollywood, where he won success (NVNV gave him acolades as did his recent, Bommarillu.)

I feel that Mani's stuck around in Regional films too long. He's been here from the 80's till the 04. That's long enough. I think he should be proud that Bollywood actors are dying to act in his films, which always provide him luck @ filmfare awards (i.e Saathiya for best screenplay & Yuva for the same as well as 5 other catagories.)

Mani will ALWAYS rule....next to Selva, M.Raja, Shankar, Cheran, & other directors.
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 19:46:09 2006. [Full View]

Nickraman !! LONG time no see !!! You still havent changed your location ??

Good to see your post on Mani dude !!
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 19:46:58 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

Thirumaran wrote:

thread of the week

start pannadhu yaaru ....

Theivamae !! Neenga engaeyooo poiteenga !!

From: Ulaganayagan on Thu Oct 19 20:37:09 2006.

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x wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

globalised junk means, peetru pasanga who ignore our achievements and over rate mediocore westernised things... dont post unrelevant things here... Evil or Very Mad

There is one equally unfit director cum actor who by the name of INSPIRATION has lifted scenes and themes from foreign movies. You never showed the slightest regard for his criminal, hypocritical ethic and have stuck resolutely to your position, hypocritical orator.

Are you talking about Manirathnam

Dont bother to answer :yawn:

From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 20:51:47 2006. [Full View]

The question begging to be asked is, Who is the second best current director after Maniratnam? To analyse this, we need to use Mani himself as the benchmark.
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 20:54:10 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

The question begging to be asked is, Who is the second best current director after Maniratnam? To analyse this, we need to use Mani himself as the benchmark.
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 20:54:29 2006. [Full View]

But people here claim that maNi is not even close to best, chEran and bAlA and sometimes even SR are better than him
From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 20:59:32 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

But people here claim that maNi is not even close to best, chEran and bAlA and sometimes even SR are better than him
people are entitled to thier opinions. but that does not alter the fact.

ok, who is 2nd best, in your opinion? who would be the candidates, besides the above you mentioned?
vishnu vardhan, thirumurugan?

in fact Kamal is a great director too. Hey Ram being the point of reference.
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 21:04:02 2006. [Full View]

My nominee will be Gowtham, cos he's the one that comes to my mind at once when I think abt best directors today !!
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 21:05:57 2006. [Full View]

My nominee would be chEran I absolutely love some of his works. bAlA comes in third place and IMO, bAlAji sakthivEl should also be in the TOP 3. His kaadhal is arguably the best movie to have come out in the past 3 years or so
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 21:08:03 2006. [Full View]

Some others would be AR Murugadoss, Cheran, Bala, etc etc ...

Nerd, I thought you told me SJ Surya is your fav director the other day !!
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 21:11:27 2006. [Full View]

Oh yeh.. I saw his New n Ah Aah 100 times non-stop
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 21:13:26 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Oh yeh.. I saw his New n Ah Aah 100 times non-stop

Paatheengala NOV !! Dont believe him !!! And then he'll come to this thread and say Mani is the best director ever !!!
From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 21:19:10 2006. [Full View]

actually Surya is not a bad director - if you recall Vaali and Kushi.
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 21:22:00 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

actually Surya is not a bad director - if you recall Vaali and Kushi.

Yeah that's true !! But now, when I think abt SJ Surya, only New and A Aaaah come to my mind !!! I havent seen Kalvanin Kadhali .. Hopefully that's a decent movie !!
From: imsai on Thu Oct 19 21:24:06 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Yeah that's true !! But now, when I think abt SJ Surya, only New and A Aaaah come to my mind !!! I havent seen Kalvanin Kadhali .. Hopefully that's a decent movie !!

Because you are a good guy

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 21:25:15 2006.

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imsai wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Yeah that's true !! But now, when I think abt SJ Surya, only New and A Aaaah come to my mind !!! I havent seen Kalvanin Kadhali .. Hopefully that's a decent movie !! Razz

Because you are a good guy Rolling Eyes

Hehe, let's get back to Manirathnam now !!!

From: joe on Thu Oct 19 21:51:45 2006. [Full View]

Nov ,
How do you rate Cheran? You mean SJ surya better than Cheran ?
From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:05:49 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Nov ,
How do you rate Cheran? You mean SJ surya better than Cheran ?

SJ Surya has potential if he comes out of being too full of himself.

Cheran is good - but he is terribly arrogant; I've seen this in too many of his interviews. He keeps on blaming audience and portrays himself as God's giift to Tamils.

I liked his TT and know many people who were moved greatly by the movie. But then - me being a big time Sivaji fan - have seen dozens of similar movies, such as Enga Oor Raja.
Autograph, IMO, was over hyped and over rated. I liked his earlier movies a lot.
But Cheran is definitely a good director - there's no doubt about it.

From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 22:09:29 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

NOV wrote:

actually Surya is not a bad director - if you recall Vaali and Kushi. Cool

Yeah that's true !! But now, when I think abt SJ Surya, only New and A Aaaah come to my mind !!! I havent seen Kalvanin Kadhali .. Hopefully that's a decent movie !! Razz

yes. decent movie when we compare with New and Ah, aah, aaaaaaaaaaaah

From: joe on Thu Oct 19 22:13:46 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

Cheran is good - but he is terribly arrogant; I've seen this in too many of his interviews. He keeps on blaming audience and portrays himself as God's giift to Tamils. .

True! Cheran and Thankar pachan think they are the only people making movies for soceity..I know that .But it shouldn't affect the admiration towards their work .Even vairamuththu ,Ilayaraja are blamed for their ego .But it shouldn't stop us rate their works .right?

But I agree Cheran lacks in Technical brilliance or don't care about other aspects of the movie compare to story .That may be also his ego thinking his story alone can do magic.
From: imsai on Thu Oct 19 22:20:12 2006. [Full View]

SJ Surya is one of the best director

From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:22:29 2006.

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joe wrote:

True! Cheran and Thankar pachan think they are the only people making movies for soceity..I know that .But it shouldn't affect the admiration towards their work .Even vairamuththu ,Ilayaraja are blamed for their ego .But it shouldn't stop us rate their works .right?

pls remove IR from that list. that man has great stuff and he has every right to be eccentric.

as for cheran and his likes, given half the opportunity many other directors can do the same thing.
yesterday i watched kalakka pOvadhu yaaru prog - discussion among kamal, ravikumar, bharadwaj etc - the topic was why tamil films need songs (which prohibits them from attaining "international" standard.) KSR made a strong point; movie making - stripped of all the baggage - is a business. proof to us that movies without songs can be commercially successful, and we can all make them!

From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 22:27:09 2006.

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NOV wrote:

1. Anda Naal --- I think a Hit
2. Kadamai Kanniyam kattupaadu -- average - Hit
3. Pesum Padam(Without even dialogues) -- Average and hit in different states
4. Kuruthi Punal -- Hit in TN superhit in Andhra

From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 22:29:17 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

people are entitled to thier opinions. but that does not alter the fact.

So NOV! you mean to say that what you say is fact and what others say is just thier individual opinion!!!
In areas like this everything every one says is just thier personal opinion! be it 70% or 30%.
So please don't throw statements like he portrays upper middle class urban sentiments the best, so he is the best director .
Some one said, If he leaves Thamizh film Industry, there will be only heroism and kuthu songs. What kuthu songs were there in Thavamai Thavamirundhu? what kind of hero worship was odne in Pithamagan? So please don't jump to worst case scenarios just yet in your rush to glorify MR.
Still there has been no response to the questions raised earlier that he has a long way to go in roving himself in earthy movies and movies with strong ethnic sensibilities.
And for those of you who keeo saying "he should have moved to Bolywood a long time before , and this and that", please bear in mind he is still struggling to find his foothold there inspite of terrific support from actors and actresses and financiers there.
Also please bear the fact in mind that he still has to prove himself in kolywood without the best music director or cinematographer. Cheran did it in Thavamai Thavamirundhu and Autograph. Can MR prove himself without support from his Music Director like Cheran?
I doubt it. He will keep saying that it is difficult to have songs, if so why have them at all? Why doesn't he show even 30% of guts that Kamal or even Parthiban to make a songless movie. coz he knows that is a risk his weak characterisation and screenplay cannot afford to take.
In Roja there is a stupid Janakaraj character that comes along. The sole reason for that character to even exist was to play translator. There was not even 1% reality associated with that character and it was to cover the weakness of screenplay and story. So to say that MR is a faultless 100% and he is numero uno and others have to only fight for #2 is an absolute BS IMHO.
He simply has nothing new to offer to the thamizh audience who are enthralled with never before told stories and characters coming from directors like Cheran and Bala.
To cap it all, one more example I would like to provide as a study in contrast- Alai Payuthe, Bombay Vs Thavamai Thavamirundhu and Autograph. Technical subtleties and finesse excluded, just compare the stories and subjects.
1. AP - absolutely irresponsible with no job or footing casually elopes with his lover, conceals the marriage and then after a very short honemoon period neglects his wife and tries to understand her when she is in her deathbed after a freak accident.
2. TT - a hardworking print worker's son gets educated well, falls in love with his colleague, elopes with her, suffers in life, realizes the sacrifices done by his father and mother, joins them back and supports them till their end.
I dont have to say any more. which one would be closer to audiences hearts? which one of these movies is the right one to portray our culture (Indian - not just thamizh)?
Which one was honest and sincere?
The simple point which anyone with good enough IQ should be able to realize is that MR's movies are just eye candies, gloss and just that. Even his so called sincere attempts are just gloss trying to show off as "stuff".
Real sincere stuff comes from heart. MR makes movies like a kid playing with toy. Whereas a Cheran and Bala make it as if movie making is their religion.
That is why we need more Cherans and Balas than one MR who is better off in Mumbai portraying multi millioners and loverboys casually eloping with middleclass urban sensitive yet stupid girls.

From: joe on Thu Oct 19 22:30:14 2006.

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Thirumaran wrote:

NOV wrote:

Interestingly ,3 movies are related with Kamal.

From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 22:31:42 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

Interestingly ,3 movies are related with Kamal.

He is altogether in a different league. One among the very bold film maker

From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:33:43 2006.

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Thirumaran wrote:

yes, kamal did mention these movies.
ravikumar then said after pEsum padam you came out with dEvar magan with NINE songs.

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 22:36:04 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

joe wrote:

Interestingly ,3 movies are related with Kamal.

He is altogether in a different league. One among the very bold film maker

Remember this is Mani's thread, another BOLD FILM MAKER, TOTALLY in a DIFFERENT LEAGUE TOO !!

From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 22:37:05 2006.

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NOV wrote:

Thirumaran wrote:

yes, kamal did mention these movies.
ravikumar then said after pEsum padam you came out with dEvar magan with NINE songs. ROTFL

So they want only Kamal to involve in these experiments

By the way Devar Magan all the songs comes along with movie very well. I dont think any song was just like that inserted without any need.

And the point i was making is even without songs movies become hit. Is there any other movie without songs become flop

From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 22:38:10 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Thirumaran wrote:

joe wrote:

Interestingly ,3 movies are related with Kamal.

He is altogether in a different league. One among the very bold film maker Thumbs Up!

Remember this is Mani's thread, another BOLD FILM MAKER, TOTALLY in a DIFFERENT LEAGUE TOO !! Not Worthy

From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 22:38:28 2006. [Full View]

I cant imagine a village subject without songs NOV. Because thats our tradition and most of those songs were pretty much needed for the film (Potri Padadi pennae and Manamagale can't be left out of the movie IMO). however MR's Alai Payuthe(I would call it Thalai Kayuthe) without songs would have been a huge joke of a film wouldn't it be?
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 22:39:20 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

however MR's Alai Payuthe(I would call it Thalai Kayuthe) without songs would have been a huge joke of a film wouldn't it be?

You really LOVE Mani, dont you ??

From: joe on Thu Oct 19 22:40:11 2006.

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I cant imagine a village subject without songs NOV. Because thats our tradition and most of those songs were pretty much needed for the film (Potri Padadi pennae and Manamagale can't be left out of the movie IMO). however MR's Alai Payuthe(I would call it Thalai Kayuthe) without songs would have been a huge joke of a film wouldn't it be?

True! True..Without songs Alai payudthe is like a TV serial.

From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:40:30 2006.

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Quote:

people are entitled to thier opinions. but that does not alter the fact.

So NOV! you mean to say that what you say is fact and what others say is just thier individual opinion!!!.

no, what everyone says here are opinions.
also, none of these opinions are going to change the fact!

as for the rest of your post, no comments.
I dont have any agenda.

From: imsai on Thu Oct 19 22:41:06 2006. [Full View]

With or without songs, Thavamaai Thavamirunthu was another metti oli imo
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 22:41:48 2006. [Full View]

But we can easily leave out saandhu pottu, inji iduppazhagaa right ?? Are they not SONGS ?? And yeh a brilliant number in TT enna paarkkiraai

From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 22:42:02 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

however MR's Alai Payuthe(I would call it Thalai Kayuthe) without songs would have been a huge joke of a film wouldn't it be?

You really LOVE Mani, dont you ??

Offcourse. He is the first director whose movies I started watching very carefully so that I can argue with my friends to prove that they were wrong in going ga ga over the movie. so far I have been pretty successful in blowing many ppls baloons of hallucination of having watched a wonderful movie from MR.

From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:43:28 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

So they want only Kamal to involve in these experiments
did you see the programme?

anyway, my point is making a chEran movie is not difficult, thats all.

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 22:43:30 2006.

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Why this HATRED ?? Are you sure you dint like even ONE movie of his ??

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 22:44:36 2006.

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NOV wrote:

Thirumaran wrote:

So they want only Kamal to involve in these experiments Rolling Eyes

did you see the programme? Rolling Eyes

anyway, my point is making a chEran movie is not difficult, thats all.

No complaints on CHERAN at all .. He does make good movies !! But to compare him with Mani !! Where is this world headed ??

From: thamizhvaanan on Thu Oct 19 22:45:05 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

so far I have been pretty successful in blowing many ppls baloons of hallucination of having watched a wonderful movie from MR.
wonder who is in hallucination
From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:45:32 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

so far I have been pretty successful in blowing many ppls baloons of hallucination of having watched a wonderful movie from MR.
is that an opinion or a fact?
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 22:45:54 2006. [Full View]

Lets list the stupidities/songs in bAlA/chEran movies. The problem is I havent seen those movies more than once, so cant recollect the inanities:

- simran song in PM.. boy what was it for ??

- laila's stupid acting as usual

- lodukku paaNdi's character in nandha ?? IMO that character did not serve a single purpose, atleast there was janakaraj to translate stuff

- dhEsiya geetham ( I mean the whole movie) worse than the worst possible MR movie

I ll keep updating this inanities list

From: thamizhvaanan on Thu Oct 19 22:46:25 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

so far I have been pretty successful in blowing many ppls baloons of hallucination of having watched a wonderful movie from MR.

is that an opinion or a fact? Laughing

neither... a hallucination

From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 22:46:43 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

But we can easily leave out saandhu pottu, inji iduppazhagaa right ?? Are they not SONGS ?? And yeh a brilliant number in TT enna paarkkiraai

they could have left Sandu pottu. But ingi idupazhagi goes well along with movie The starting point of Kamal changing and further activities covered in the song.
From: joe on Thu Oct 19 22:47:58 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

With or without songs, Thavamaai Thavamirunthu was another metti oli imo

You mean Metti oli is better than Alaipayude
From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 22:48:19 2006. [Full View]

good!! no guts from anyone to counter the question on subject and conviction of Mani the film maker. Even when he handles serious themes, there is zero conviction in them as they are taken simply to sensationalise and show everyone that "here is a serious film maker" He portrayed a spastic child like an ET to be like a funny amusement in Anjali, robbing of the seriousness surrounding the issue. That is one movie that is enough to show how "serious and honest he really is".

From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 22:48:21 2006.

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Thirumaran wrote:

So they want only Kamal to involve in these experiments Rolling Eyes

did you see the programme? Rolling Eyes

anyway, my point is making a chEran movie is not difficult, thats all.

I did not see

I was mentioning only taking only ur post

From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:48:26 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Why this HATRED ?? Are you sure you dint like even ONE movie of his ?? Surprised

thamizhvaanan wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

so far I have been pretty successful in blowing many ppls baloons of hallucination of having watched a wonderful movie from MR.

wonder who is in hallucination Rolling Eyes

clever boys!

NOV wrote:

as for the rest of your post, no comments.
I dont have any agenda. Cool

now go back to your work!

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 22:49:14 2006. [Full View]

Why does Bala always believe in ABNORMAL characters ??? Like an animal, lunatic, rowdy, Ganja Seller, etc etc ?? Can he ever make a movie where NORMAL ppl can relate to ???
From: thamizhvaanan on Thu Oct 19 22:50:06 2006. [Full View]

I think NOV is right when he says that cheran is arrogant. His pic was all over the place in TT's posters, as if he has made the Godfather of TF industry. I havent seen that movie, but my friends say they dozed midway thro the movie. What is the pt in being a gud director if he cant catch the attention of the audience?

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 22:50:25 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

Jaiganes, my reply to your earlier post !!! Does any of this make sense to you ??

Prolly not !!

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 22:51:33 2006.

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thamizhvaanan wrote:

I think NOV is right when he says that cheran is arrogant. His pic was all over the place in TT's posters, as if he has made the Godfather of TF industry. I havent seen that movie, but my friends say they dozed midway thro the movie. What is the pt in being a gud director if he cant catch the attention of the audience? Huh?!

It'a a GREAT movie TV ... But some of my friends said, when yo go to the movie, make sure you have some PULIYODARAI in a tiffin box and a pillow !!! I hate my friends !!

From: Nerd on Thu Oct 19 22:52:26 2006. [Full View]

Anjali was a wonderful movie. I could empathize/sympathize with the character anjali and her mom/dad. It was well received all over india and FYI, it was India's entry to the OSCARS that year. And yeh u were successful in hallucinating people
From: Aandavan on Thu Oct 19 22:53:35 2006. [Full View]

ayitha eluthu is a good movie....
From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 22:54:37 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

You mean Metti oli is better than Alaipayude
I wont compare, but metti oli was a very good serial

thirumurugan is a director to watch out for - after seeing his emttan magan.
From: imsai on Thu Oct 19 22:55:57 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

imsai wrote:

With or without songs, Thavamaai Thavamirunthu was another metti oli imo

You mean Metti oli is better than Alaipayude

This is English, not tamil. Re-read it please. Don't misinterpret. Who was talking about Alaipaaythe here?

From: thamizhvaanan on Thu Oct 19 22:57:48 2006.

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He portrayed a spastic child like an ET to be like a funny amusement in Anjali, robbing of the seriousness surrounding the issue. That is one movie that is enough to show how "serious and honest he really is".

do u think everything in life is serious. There are lighter perspectives to every issue. IMO it was his brilliance in bringing out a lighter feeling in that serious movie and to make ppl watch it and feel it. If you are really hell bent on seriousness here is a quote
"...a gripping indictment of racial hatred...Bombay recalls how forceful a motion picture can be" (James Berardinelli, ReelViews)
http://www.reelviews.net/movies/b/bombay.html
This was by james berardinelli, one of the few reviewers really worth paying attention. He is not like malathi rangarajan for sure... hailing all sorts of day-to-day movies Laughing

From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 22:58:23 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Why does Bala always believe in ABNORMAL characters ??? Like an animal, lunatic, rowdy, Ganja Seller, etc etc ?? Can he ever make a movie where NORMAL ppl can relate to ??? Rolling Eyes

Bay Area!!
1 . Please define normal
2. If everyone makes normal character movies, who is there with guts to venture out into the unknown or abnormal. When Mr Mani went out to picturize a spastic child, he ended up making that character a lovable ET and conveniently ended by killing the child. The fact that actual pain lies in growing for spastic children escaped Mr. MBA. I know it coz I have seen my best friend and their family suffer and I used to wonder how casually MR portrayed in Anjali the pains of being a spastic child. the only scenes I liked in Anjali were the contrast he brought out on how the society treats mad men and spastic people with Janakaraj character and offcourse the terrific apartment association meeting scene. That movie was diluted to its max extent and my grouse against Mani started from there.

From: thamizhvaanan on Thu Oct 19 23:00:44 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

It'a a GREAT movie TV ... But some of my friends said, when yo go to the movie, make sure you have some PULIYODARAI in a tiffin box and a pillow !!! I hate my friends !! Hammer

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 23:03:03 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

(1) Normal means 8 out of 10 characters in the real world !!

(2) It's easy to have everything ABNORMAL in a movie and call it a DIFFERENT piece of work !! I'm Sorry for your friend your personal experience henceforth !!! But ANJALI as a movie had some sophisticated treatment of an UNSOPHISCATED character in that child !!! Du know how many such kids and their families were praising that movie for the way the character was portrayed, and the warmth that was shown to such DIFFERENT people ??

(3) It will take seconds for Mani to create an ANIMAL character that can go around barking and biting other humans ?? But is that the kind of movie we want in Tamil ??

From: imsai on Thu Oct 19 23:03:26 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

thirumurugan is a director to watch out for - after seeing his emttan magan.

exactly

he directed the best movie of the year

From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 23:05:04 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

Gripping indictment of racial hatred. Are you talking abt "Tamas" or "Hey Ram"?

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 19 23:05:53 2006. [Full View]

OK all you folks, got to sleep now !! We'll carry on this HOT discussion tommorrow !!
From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 23:07:18 2006. [Full View]

what happened to rajiv menon?
his minsaara kanavugal and kandukondEnx2 were musical feasts.
From: NOV on Thu Oct 19 23:08:59 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

OK all you folks, got to sleep now !! We'll carry on this HOT discussion tommorrow !!

tomorrow is deepavali

From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 19 23:13:30 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

(1) Normal means 8 out of 10 characters in the real world !! Smile

(3) It will take seconds for Mani to create an ANIMAL character that can go around barking and biting other humans ?? But is that the kind of movie we want in Tamil ?? Rolling Eyes

1. Then Bala took the remaining 2 and made a movie which MR couldn't make it coz you can't have a rocking music video to sell on them!!
2.

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and the warmth that was shown to such DIFFERENT people ?

you mean sympathies? Well thats the last thing these families or ppl wanted.
3. Again thanks to your lack of exposure to Thamizh literature, you missed my explanation of the reason behind Sithan's character. Again you guys justify Anjali bcoz it won a ntional award and was sent to Oscars, while Sithan character fetched Vikram a national award. Relax guys they have sent the joke movie Rang De Basanti also to Oscars. That doesn't prove anything.

From: thamizhvaanan on Thu Oct 19 23:13:36 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

Gripping indictment of racial hatred. Are you talking abt "Tamas" or "Hey Ram"?
I wud put Heyram on a higher pedestal, that doesnt mean that bombay isnt serious.

OK i am also leaving
From: Thirumaran on Thu Oct 19 23:17:28 2006. [Full View]

Jaiganes U made some really valid points

Me too GTG

Let me see, when i revisit after few weeks where this thread stands

Happy diwali to all the hubbers
From: thamizhvaanan on Thu Oct 19 23:56:08 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Relax guys they have sent the joke movie Rang De Basanti also to Oscars. That doesn't prove anything.
You call RDB a joke!!! that proves something
From: villan007 on Fri Oct 20 0:04:32 2006. [Full View]

thamizhvaanan wrote:

Quote:

Relax guys they have sent the joke movie Rang De Basanti also to Oscars. That doesn't prove anything.
You call RDB a joke!!! that proves something

mental asylum , ganja ethume illale.... RDB joke than
From: VENKIRAJA on Fri Oct 20 2:51:05 2006. [Full View]

manirathnam surely is bharatiyar of tamizh cinema.i want him to do a movie for our thala with raja's music(maybe for diwali 2007)which will probably suit.his style of narration is though lingering around politics he's a master to be watched for.
From: MADDY on Fri Oct 20 5:28:51 2006. [Full View]

Jaiganes, ur accusation that Manis' movies lack honesty/conviction is really not true......look at his penchant for new scripts/stories......his guts is amazing......

dude, i know u r irritated with Anjali and Mani being insensitive to pre-matured kids/parents......but apart from that he is one director who has touched bold subjects first in tamil.........

if u can remember Nayagan is the first reality gangster movie in history of Indian cinema.....even DON was pretty superficial and not real.......

first filmmaker to identify Islamic terrorist as the villain in Roja......i guess he must be one of the first to do so in the world even.......

first/only filmmaker to make a movie on Bombay riots.....even i wasnt there when riots happened, but whoever were there, told me that the movie was 20% of reality.....20% is really high when u r talking abt riots.......

had the courage to show some imp personalities' embarrasing realities in Iruvar......he could have been banished from TN for that......

first/only filmmaker to voice north-east india concerns in Dil se..........

had the guts to give a srilankan's point of view abt eelam clash in KM........remember prakash raj's dialogue which says weapons are the reason for fights across the world......

in terms of finding new/unique scripts, he is better than Sridhar and Mahendran........IMHO.......
From: Scale on Fri Oct 20 6:09:25 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

ok, who is 2nd best, in your opinion?

Actually its ................................................ if MR is taken as a benchmark in terms of versatility, musical hits, picturisation, photography & other technical aspects.

In the game of movie direction: the three over-hyped directors SR, Bala & GM are three sticks in the pitch and their fans are mere decorated bails... On an outlook, it seams as if there is a major contribution for their garlanding presence, but in reality If given a chance any ordinary viewer will hit(bowl) the sticks effortlessly for the lack of versatility and being repetitative. An expereinced movie critic would break the (middle)stick in to pieces and could even fling the stick walking till pavilion. Guess, what will be the fate of their blind supporters. Now directors like MR,..... are like a VivRichards, SRT, Lara in front of the bowlers for known for their versatile talents, strength,experience & track records. The chances of getting them out by other means caught, runout, lbw (flaws) are very minimal. Even if they get out bowled by chance it indirectly hits the stick & their fans(bails) are scatterred which are earlier identified ambiguity on stick w/o batsman theory. And You know what happens when they in their prime form: easy singles, doubles, four, six, century, double triple.. and finally sticks, ball & t-shirts are autographed by the legends

Shankar, Vishnuwaradan, AR Murugadass are sticks on the other ends..

Now coming to Cheran yes he is getting definetly better and I have to second NOV & third TV for his arrogancy.. Somehow I feel there is a lack of gripness in his movie narrating skills.. Like someone said, u need puliothara to watch his movies and that thoongumoonji on the lead role irritates me

One director whom I will certainly vouch in future is Balaji Sakthivel. Though his first attempt is inspired from a real story the screenplay is purely brilliant and gripping... The courage to introduce new MD. And its just 1 film which doesnt need comparison here at all.

Shankar is pacca commercially sunk. He himself wouldnt be interested if someone starts comparing with MR. Only left is Kamalahaasan a truely legend-in-the making above all & definetly not MR as a benchmark and not a full time director.

Thanks.
From: Scale on Fri Oct 20 6:16:59 2006. [Full View]

There is big joke that MR is surviving (among intellectuals) only becoz of MD's, Cameraman, Art Director. It is like telling the books written by the best seller is selling only bcoz of the characters and international copyrights it owned..

MR productions aasai, nerukkuner, dumdumdum, fivestar?? has got some great musical scores from other setha-pambu directors. Credits to whom?

back to topic, just 1 tamil movie under your direction Mani Sir, introduce a new MD & set a fresh trend in TFM save and prove the critics wrong... We know you will! :thumsbup:

From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 6:21:53 2006.

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In the game of movie direction: the three over-hyped directors SR, Bala & GM are three sticks in the pitch and their fans are mere decorated bails...

i dont agree... they are good.

Quote:

Now coming to Cheran yes he is getting definetly better and I have to second NOV & third TV for his arrogancy..

Somehow I feel there is a lack of gripness in his movie narrating skills.. Like someone said, u need puliothara to watch his movies Laughing

and that thoongumoonji on the lead role irritates me

i agree 100%

Quote:

One director whom I will certainly vouch in future is Balaji Sakthivel. Though his first attempt is inspired from a real story the screenplay is purely brilliant and gripping...

his first movie is samurai..

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Shankar is pacca commercially sunk.

ofcourse

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Only left is Kamalahaasan a truely legend-in-the making above all & definetly not MR as a benchmark and not a full time director.

kalakitta

but kamal is already a legend...

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 20 6:39:52 2006.

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Scale wrote:

There is big joke that MR is surviving (among intellectuals) only becoz of MD's, Cameraman, Art Director. It is like telling the books written by the best seller is selling only bcoz of the characters and international copyrights it owned.. Laughing

back to topic, just 1 tamil movie under your direction Mani Sir, introduce a new MD & set a fresh trend in TFM save and prove the critics wrong... We know you will! :thumsbup:

wow, yes scale.....infact i'm really mad abt Mani bcos he was the one who bought our ARR.........i will always be grateful for Mani to give us a priceless treasure in form of ARR...........

and yes, i would like Mani to give a movie w/o ARR.......he should try Raaja or some new talent.......if he feels a new talent is worth then that talent would be world class......no doubt........

From: jaiganes on Fri Oct 20 7:06:16 2006. [Full View]

As I had spoken enough earlier, MR is a shallow film maker whose movies are good timepass. as maddy said he fiddles with one subject/backdrop(untold. I give credit to him for that. Offcourse Maddy meant it in the positive manner, I am slightly twisting it for the sarcastic fun) creates some shallow characters, shows some sketchy incidents based on news paper and creates enough cinematic justification for bringing in the music director (cassette sales is a good money earner you see). spends max time on camera angles and set properties. Brainstorm with sujatha on latest technological parlances. Wow! you are done! one MR movie is done and ready for release. Never publicize the movie, the scape goat actor himself/herself would go around the world telling that they are in a MR movie. Amazing film making techniques and defly superior (according to MR upper middleclass urban fans of MR) to the difficult way of searching for heart touching story and sketching endearing/amazing/shocking characters that is adopted by Bala and Cheran. If MR is the standard by which everyone ranks directors, I am glad that Bala and Cheran haven't fallen prey to the temptation of becoming the next MR or second to MR. If you are better than MR whats the point in trying to be second MR anyways.
From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 8:29:28 2006. [Full View]

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra
From: Hulkster on Fri Oct 20 8:43:13 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra

Mahendran yes...Bharathiraja is different from MR in the way he tends to handle characters and also the style of his filmmaking..i guess slightly better at song picturisation...Kamalhassan is a sure certainty...he has explored many types of themes and given pulsating screenplay for each of them..Balu Mahendra i am afraid is not as strong as MR...too much of focus on human emotions that sort of delude the whole movie's storyline.

From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 8:48:39 2006.

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Hulkster wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra

Mahendran yes...Bharathiraja is different from MR in the way he tends to handle characters and also the style of his filmmaking..i guess slightly better at song picturisation...Kamalhassan is a sure certainty...he has explored many types of themes and given pulsating screenplay for each of them..Balu Mahendra i am afraid is not as strong as MR...too much of focus on human emotions that sort of delude the whole movie's storyline.

yeah...balumahendra...

but his making is unique...cannot be called better than maniratnam though!

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 9:14:43 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

(1) Normal means 8 out of 10 characters in the real world !! Smile

(3) It will take seconds for Mani to create an ANIMAL character that can go around barking and biting other humans ?? But is that the kind of movie we want in Tamil ?? Rolling Eyes

1. Then Bala took the remaining 2 and made a movie which MR couldn't make it coz you can't have a rocking music video to sell on them!!
2.

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and the warmth that was shown to such DIFFERENT people ?

Again, we are looking at two different sides of the spectrum .. So let's continue to look that way !!

RDB is a joke for you ??? Man, I was really trying to answer all your queries seriously up to this point !!!

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 9:16:04 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra

Nilavu, Add Bhagyaraj, Pandiarajan, and Parthiban to your list too !!! They really had some big hits and a niche in the audience too !!!
From: MADDY on Fri Oct 20 9:23:39 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra

Mahendran's stories were nuthin new - a kodumakara hubby, annan - thangachi pasam, love failure and marry someone else......nuthin earth shattering......but again his nuances were great......if mani acknmowledges that, then who am i to deny it..... mahendan should have stayed for a long time if he was a better director than wat ppl. make of him......

Bharathiraja - no doubts sir.....he is the best director that Tamil has ever produced ........he is like IR to direction.........

Balumahendra - again too repetitive.......but jaiganes, this guy is technically brilliant and always extracts the best out of IR..........this guy also, as u say, hides a lack lustre storyline with technical brilliance.....then y didnt he survive like Mani has??? he has given flops only after moonram pirai........

Kamalhassan - no comments........

i would like to add Sridhar here.......he is one path breaking director who tore the tamil stereotype apart......amazing chap.......

i would like to add KB as well....my personal fav.............some of his mvoies are very enjoyable.......but many of his movies are very irritating.......
From: Nerd on Fri Oct 20 9:27:19 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra

Agree with 1 completely. He is THE best director in my era atleast.

Have to agree with 2 also, but he has given a lot of DUDs

3 - well lets wait for some more time (Loved his writing in MN, DM, H R- did not like VM, MX)

Could not agree with 4
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 9:30:57 2006. [Full View]

Maddy says Bharathiraja !

Nerd says Mahendran !

Nilavu has a list of 4 !

I say Manirathnam ...

MADDY, I think it's time for you to create a new thread that says ..

THE BEST DIRECTOR TAMIL CINEMA HAS EVER SEEN !!!

And have all these big names in the poll !! Let's see who wins !! I bet it would NOT be Mani !!!

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 20 9:37:12 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Maddy says Bharathiraja !

Nerd says Mahendran !

Nilavu has a list of 4 !

I say Manirathnam ...

MADDY, I think it's time for you to create a new thread that says ..

THE BEST DIRECTOR TAMIL CINEMA HAS EVER SEEN !!!

And have all these big names in the poll !! Let's see who wins !! I bet it would NOT be Mani !!! Embarassed

no bay......i like Mani more than anyone else.......but have to accept BR is the best for Tamil audiences.........its like IR, ARR.......i worship ARR but still know IR is the best for tamil audiences.........(actually ARR was never meant for TFM anyways).......

Mani is always special for me, cos he makes movies abt ppl. like me and situations around me.....Mani is the best......

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 9:42:21 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

Maddy, Maybe for Tamil audiences popularity wise ... But personally, I cannot relate to anything in Bharathiraja movies ... It's just not my thing !!! Talk abt Shankar movies ... He just totally instigates the inner self of me that HATES injustice and wanting to go against all those ppl that screw up the society ... That I could well relate !!! But BR !!! Sorry man, I'm different from the rest if what yo're saying is a fact !!

From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 9:53:35 2006. [Full View]

I personally feel Mani shuld only be doing Hindi movies bcos Tamil movies have bcome so hero centric......and Mani himself has quoted this somewhere as the reason for his shift to Hindi......he has 2 films lined up in Hindi.....so it will be another 2 good years b4 Mani can think of tamil.....cool.......i hope ARR also follows Mani in this regard......watever u guys shout, Mani knows wat he is doing and will do wat he thinks is right......he is after all a Management stud.....

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 9:56:04 2006.

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I personally feel Mani shuld only be doing Hindi movies bcos Tamil movies have bcome so hero centric......and Mani himself has quoted this somewhere as the reason for his shift to Hindi......he has 2 films lined up in Hindi.....so it will be another 2 good years b4 Mani can think of tamil.....cool.......i hope ARR also follows Mani in this regard......watever u guys shout, Mani knows wat he is doing and will do wat he thinks is right......he is after all a Management stud.....

Even though we think different EVEN in this issue, this is your BEST post so far !!!

Very well drafted !!

Except that word SHOUT in between !!

From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 9:57:26 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

Even though we think different EVEN in this issue, this is your BEST post so far !!! Not Worthy

Very well drafted !! Very Happy

Except that word SHOUT in between !! Razz

this is not my post...

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 9:57:59 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

Even though we think different EVEN in this issue, this is your BEST post so far !!! Not Worthy

Very well drafted !! Very Happy

Except that word SHOUT in between !! Razz

this is not my post... Laughing

No wonder I got DECIEVED !!

From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 10:02:31 2006. [Full View]

the writer of this post is maddy....

I personally feel Mani shuld only be doing Hindi movies bcos Tamil movies have bcome so hero centric......and Mani himself has quoted this somewhere as the reason for his shift to Hindi......he has 2 films lined up in Hindi.....so it will be another 2 good years b4 Mani can think of tamil.....cool.......i hope ARR also follows Mani in this regard......watever u guys shout, Mani knows wat he is doing and will do wat he thinks is right......he is after all a Management stud.....

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 20 10:02:42 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

thanks for reminding my post.....

yes, exactly, i wanted to know, even if mani comes back one day then how many of us would want him???? or how many ppl. miss Mani in TF......i guess this is a lot.......i'am really overhelmed by hubber response........i thought 70% wouldnt want him but here we are its the opposite.........

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 10:03:44 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

You cannot end this thread so ABRUPT !! Let's keep talking !!

From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 10:07:09 2006. [Full View]

maluppaatha maddy... .. u didnt post this in the hub ... u posted this in orkut maniratnam community , two weeks ago... now u say that hubbers decision = tamil audience's decision.....

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 10:13:23 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

maluppaatha maddy... Evil or Very Mad

.. u didnt post this in the hub ... u posted this in orkut maniratnam community , two weeks ago... now u say that hubbers decision = tamil audience's decision..... Laughing

It's the best SAMPLE, aint it ??

From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 10:17:30 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

maluppaatha maddy... Evil or Very Mad

.. u didnt post this in the hub ... u posted this in orkut maniratnam community , two weeks ago... now u say that hubbers decision = tamil audience's decision..... Laughing

It's the best SAMPLE, aint it ?? Razz

no way...

From: MADDY on Fri Oct 20 10:28:19 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

maluppaatha maddy... Evil or Very Mad

.. u didnt post this in the hub ... u posted this in orkut maniratnam community , two weeks ago... now u say that hubbers decision = tamil audience's decision..... Laughing

i dont get it........yes i always Mani and ARR to xplore new boundaries.......but i just wanted to know, how many want him back in tamil.......i donno where i contradicted myself......

moreover this is Hub dominated by IR and Kamal fans.......so anything in favor of ARR and Maniratnam is a surprise........and that too a landslide like this wasnt expected.........so, outside world which is more neutral than our hub, will welcome Mani with both hands.....thats wat i meant.......

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 10:28:37 2006.

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Aandavan wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

maluppaatha maddy... Evil or Very Mad

.. u didnt post this in the hub ... u posted this in orkut maniratnam community , two weeks ago... now u say that hubbers decision = tamil audience's decision..... Laughing

It's the best SAMPLE, aint it ?? Razz

no way...

Thank You !! That's very KIND !!

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 10:30:08 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

moreover this is Hub dominated by IR and Kamal fans.......so anything in favor of ARR and Maniratnam is a surprise........and that too a landslide like this wasnt expected.........so, outside world which is more neutral than our hub, will welcome Mani with both hands.....thats wat i meant.......

Now I think this hub DOES have a lot of ARR and Mani fans !!!

From: x on Fri Oct 20 10:30:51 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra

All our goals are achieved

From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 10:46:45 2006.

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x wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

BETTER FILM MAKERS THAN MANIRATNAM IN TAMIL!

from mani's era

1.mahendran
2.barathiraja
3.kamalhaasan
4.balumahendra

All our goals are achieved Banging Head

kamal is by far the best director in tamil now... heyram and virumandi are just tooooooo great..

From: x on Fri Oct 20 10:55:01 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

kamal is by far the best director in tamil now... heyram and virumandi are just tooooooo great..

total crap
From: Aandavan on Fri Oct 20 11:00:46 2006. [Full View]

x wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

kamal is by far the best director in tamil now... heyram and virumandi are just tooooooo great..

total crap
thats what u are
From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 12:07:50 2006. [Full View]

x wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

kamal is by far the best director in tamil now... heyram and virumandi are just tooooooo great..

total crap

cant put forth anything usefully...huh!
unmai sudum!
From: jaiganes on Fri Oct 20 13:00:52 2006. [Full View]

So In spite of so much flame against my writing, fact is undeniable that for atleast now we have seen the end of MR in Thamizh. So I am happy for the next four years (anyways Aamir Khan movie would take minimum one and a half to two years to complete. By then I pray to God that Madhavan and Siddharth become much bigger actors too busy for MR, then no simultaneous releases of hindi movies also will be ruled out, which in the end could mean 4 to 5 years before MR can even summon the energy required to make a thamizh film that competes with even Gowtham and Perarasu (Class and Mass) . So I am happy whichever way the highly nostalgic HUB votes for.

Thanks Bollywood for sucking up something that Kollywood couldnt spit out.
From: x on Fri Oct 20 13:07:27 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

cant put forth anything usefully...huh!
unmai sudum!

It is not even close to merit an intellectual reply from me
From: Nerd on Fri Oct 20 13:14:13 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Gowtham and Perarasu (Class and Mass)

Gowtham is class and maNi is not. Excellent. Now I (WE) know what class is

This also shows the LEVEL of ur arguments

From: x on Fri Oct 20 13:16:32 2006.

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Ulaganayagan wrote:

x wrote:

Are you talking about Manirathnam Confused2

Dont bother to answer :yawn:

Now Maniratnam is an actor? What an intellectual you are

From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 13:23:42 2006. [Full View]

x wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

cant put forth anything usefully...huh!
unmai sudum!

It is not even close to merit an intellectual reply from me

then why did u reply...paathutu kelamba vendiyadhuthana

From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Oct 20 13:24:23 2006.

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x wrote:

Ulaganayagan wrote:

x wrote:

Are you talking about Manirathnam Confused2

Dont bother to answer :yawn:

Now Maniratnam is an actor? What an intellectual you are LOL

this thread is about MR dude ..

,thats what i meant(not surprised that you didnt get it..I know that you can talk only about Kamal but give it a break,let them have their discussion..

From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 13:26:38 2006.

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x wrote:

Ulaganayagan wrote:

x wrote:

Are you talking about Manirathnam Confused2

Dont bother to answer :yawn:

Now Maniratnam is an actor? What an intellectual you are LOL

if u dare tell the person name and tell the lifted scenes...if u cant..kelambu kaathu varatum

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 13:27:50 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

So In spite of so much flame against my writing, fact is undeniable that for atleast now we have seen the end of MR in Thamizh. So I am happy for the next four years (anyways Aamir Khan movie would take minimum one and a half to two years to complete. By then I pray to God that Madhavan and Siddharth become much bigger actors too busy for MR, then no simultaneous releases of hindi movies also will be ruled out, which in the end could mean 4 to 5 years before MR can even summon the energy required to make a thamizh film that competes with even Gowtham and Perarasu (Class and Mass) . So I am happy whichever way the highly nostalgic HUB votes for.

Thanks Bollywood for sucking up something that Kollywood couldnt spit out.

Good, if this is how ppl perceive Mani in TN, then YEAH, maybe he should not come back to Tamil !!!

From: thamizhvaanan on Fri Oct 20 13:29:11 2006. [Full View]

MADDY.. u better delete this thread

jaiganes is happy... the poll is convincing... idhukku mela enna venum
From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 13:31:13 2006. [Full View]

MADDY enna moderator-a...

once the trheads are fired...thats it
From: thamizhvaanan on Fri Oct 20 13:33:17 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

MADDY enna moderator-a...

once the trheads are fired...thats it
oh delete panna mudiyadha

appo NOV annanukku oru viduppu viduvom
From: x on Fri Oct 20 13:58:10 2006. [Full View]

nilavupriyan wrote:

then why did u reply...paathutu kelamba vendiyadhuthana

and you can't understand till I give you in details? I was not refering your post but the other one.

Quote:

if u dare tell the person name and tell the lifted scenes...if u cant..kelambu kaathu varatum

You feel uncomfortable here? take a sunbath

From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 14:03:37 2006.

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x wrote:

nilavupriyan wrote:

then why did u reply...paathutu kelamba vendiyadhuthana ROTFL

and you can't understand till I give you in details? I was not refering your post but the other one.

Quote:

if u dare tell the person name and tell the lifted scenes...if u cant..kelambu kaathu varatum

You feel uncomfortable here? take a sunbath Cool

achooo...kaatu mokka

by the way..i also refered it for ur reply for his post only...not mine

From: x on Fri Oct 20 14:06:20 2006. [Full View]

You don't need to refer anything. I was talking to him only, if he got a problem, I believe, he'd ask me.

Your last post is a proof of "There're some idiotic Kamal fans"
From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 14:10:35 2006. [Full View]

x wrote:

You don't need to refer anything. I was talking to him only, if he got a problem, I believe, he'd ask me.

Your last post is a proof of "There're some idiotic Kamal fans"

if u wanna talk to him...talk to him by phone or private message him...edhukku public forumla talk pandreengo!

yeah there are some idiotic kamal fans...but there are many idiotic rajni fans!
From: x on Fri Oct 20 14:15:15 2006. [Full View]

You're living legend. "talk" has more meanings, check out your thesaurus. You're proving to be a

That's because Rajini's fan base is huge
From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 14:17:35 2006. [Full View]

x wrote:

You're living legend. "talk" has more meanings, check out your thesaurus. You're proving to be a

That's because Rajini's fan base is huge

talk has more meanings???

endha talk-a irundhalum public-a pesuna oodala vandhu naangalum pesuvom...mudiyalaina orama odhungi poi pesungo

bye...goodnight
From: x on Fri Oct 20 14:22:51 2006. [Full View]

Talk has one meaning

What an idiotic explanation you just gave. Talk does not necessarily mean talking on the phone

If you can't have a decent discussion, you can jump in talking filth

From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 14:26:56 2006.

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x wrote:

Talk has one meaning ROTFL

What an idiotic explanation you just gave. Talk does not necessarily mean talking on the phone ROTFL

If you can't have a decent discussion, you can jump in talking filth Cool

filth???whats filthy there?

From: x on Fri Oct 20 14:29:23 2006. [Full View]

As I said before, I dont expect anything sensible to come from you . Expect nothing from a sack of coal save, dust!
From: Nerd on Fri Oct 20 14:31:47 2006. [Full View]

Cut it out guys
From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 20 14:33:21 2006. [Full View]

x wrote:

As I said before, I dont expect anything sensible to come from you . Expect nothing from a sack of coal save, dust!

u havent said abt that lifted scenes of that notable actor...

tell something useful here...go back and see how many points u have made...
From: MADDY on Fri Oct 20 15:46:16 2006. [Full View]

what will happen if i delete my first post in this htread??? will that kill this thread???

i guess this discussion is going nowhere......
From: imsai on Fri Oct 20 16:13:23 2006. [Full View]

maddy, ask NOV..

this thread is going somewhere.. I know, you know and everyone knows

the best ever director is Kamal
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 16:23:31 2006. [Full View]

Maddy, Dont worry !!! We all now think this is the HOTTEST topic in the hub .. So obviously, this is goin great guns !!! This will fade away soon, and once it moves to the 2nd page, FORGET it !!! Remember my Maniratnam - Revoultion thread in some 3rd or 4th page now !!
From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Oct 20 16:28:47 2006. [Full View]

imsai wrote:

maddy, ask NOV..

this thread is going somewhere.. I know, you know and everyone knows

the best ever director is Kamal
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 20 16:36:54 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Cut it out guys
From: jaiganes on Sat Oct 21 2:11:55 2006. [Full View]

Wow Manirathnam - revolution???
Amazing. Probly u shud add Manirathnam - recycler to the title.
Nenjathai Killadhae - Mouna Ragam.
Kalyana parisu - Idhaya Koyil
Godfather-Nayagan,Agni Natchathram
ET - Anjali
Mahabaratham - Thalabadhy
Butch Cassidy , Sundance Kid - Thiruda Thiruda
That too without native context, all set in uthopian thotta tharani land(except Nayagan and Anjali).
That would be interesting to discuss wont it be?
You guys keep calling a director who has no roots to relate to or portray them with honesty as numero uno in India and Kollywood.
Keep it going guys!! Here is your upper middleclass urban uthopia. dream on. Sweet dreams.

From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Oct 21 2:16:19 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

You guys keep calling a director who has no roots to relate to or portray them with honesty as numero uno in India and Kollywood.
Keep it going guys!! Here is your upper middleclass urban uthopia. dream on. Sweet dreams.

Man, du have any real JUSTIFICATION to your posts against Mani ?? What roots doesnt he have ?? And what is this middle class URBAN uthopia yo're talkin abt ??

From: jaiganes on Sat Oct 21 2:17:55 2006. [Full View]

yes bay area!
I have and thats been discussed thorughly in the previous pages.
From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Oct 21 2:19:39 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

yes bay area!
I have and thats been discussed thorughly in the previous pages.

Man, yo're just consistently pokin at him like anything !! Why this HATRED ???
From: kb on Sat Oct 21 2:19:41 2006. [Full View]

jaiganeshsssuuuuuu..

ET-anjali

enna munnadi utkaara vachi cycle otuna ET-a
From: manuel on Sat Oct 21 8:05:36 2006. [Full View]

Yes Maniratnam is a good director ....
but probably his entry in to hindi cinema and also the mulitlinguistic movies that he has tried out has had some affect in the style of his film making....
I think it is time for him to come back to tamil movies and probably also team up with illayaraja that he once did .. ..
he has the ability to take tamil movies international...
From: jaiganes on Sat Oct 21 9:07:09 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

he has the ability to take tamil movies international...

He has made himself international successfully!

I have no personal grudge against MR.
He is definitely better than 98% of directors in kollywood.
He has definitely made some classic movies.
He has brought technical finesse and packaging into Thamizh movies.
My only gripe with him is he goes too much for gloss and finesse.
Stories have off late become just another excuse for a new camera angle or screen play tactic. Frankly speaking he doesnt have to indulge in any more exercises or experiments in perfecting the craft of movie making. He is expected to break into new areas with boldness and handle difficult subjects leaving aside his "perceived" market of "A" centers. This is what real hard core directors have done all over the world. Instead he dribbles with bollywood and that too in ventures that are hardly brain teasing or heart stopping.
In simple words he still doesnt have to guts to do what a Vishal (director) does in Bollywood or what Bala or Cheran do in Kollywood (again comparison only in how subjects are approached and not how they are presented). He has to understand that Bollywood "A" center audience prefer "Karan Johar" and he is neither Karan, nor Govind Nihalani. However he has better chances of becoming a Nihalani or Tapan Sinha - thereby making the real cinema more popular. If someone who has tasted so much of fan folowing and support and success for the past 20 years is still unable to go the full stretch, and if some new comer like Bala or relatively new director like Cheran display the same courage, that shows something that is lacking in MR, which die hard fans will never be able to accept.
I would call Mani as a wondeful opportunity that never came about for real cinema.
From: Aandavan on Sat Oct 21 11:02:04 2006. [Full View]

kb wrote:

jaiganeshsssuuuuuu..

ET-anjali

enna munnadi utkaara vachi cycle otuna ET-a
please dont insult ET....

the only positive thing in anjali is the best chorus song ever, anjali anjali anjali.....
From: m_23_bayarea on Sat Oct 21 15:46:34 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

I would call Mani as a wondeful opportunity that never came about for real cinema.

All your above points are very VALID !! The only difference though is that, yo're lookin at things Mani DID NOT DO and could have done better, whereas we are lookin at what he's DONE best !!

From: kidils on Sun Oct 22 17:17:50 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

I would call Mani as a wondeful opportunity that never came about for real cinema.

All your above points are very VALID !! The only difference though is that, yo're lookin at things Mani DID NOT DO and could have done better, whereas we are lookin at what he's DONE best !!

Boo

i dont understand y people r talkin bad of mani for no reason...his movies are internationally acclaimed and liked by even non tamilans.... a rare feat for a tamil movie..... dont waste ur time talking to these people who are turning a blind eye towards the best tamil director of our time....

kannathil muthamitaal, bombay, roja, anjali, mouna raagam etc are some of the most touchin indian movies to be made....

AP is one of the most youthful and colorful movies to be made...

man... when i found out that majority of the forum was anti-vikram i was really surprised.... now i kind of see the pattern....

majority op of this forum does not represent real life majority.

From: Ulaganayagan on Sun Oct 22 19:19:23 2006. [Full View]

kidils wrote:

AP is one of the most youthful and colorful movies to be made...

AP is not a movie i would add to Mani's best..The only saving graces of that movie are ARR's music and Maddy's refreshing good looks...Otherwise that movie is painfully boring movie in which MR totally lost track of whatever he was trying to accomplish...

From: m_23_bayarea on Sun Oct 22 20:18:22 2006.

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kidils wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

All your above points are very VALID !! The only difference though is that, yo're lookin at things Mani DID NOT DO and could have done better, whereas we are lookin at what he's DONE best !!

Boo

Nice one dude !!!

From: great on Sun Oct 22 22:20:51 2006. [Full View]

when he has left kollywood to bring him back.

If the question is whether to bring him back , its obvious yes and close the thread

From: manuel on Tue Oct 24 2:34:50 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

He is expected to break into new areas with boldness and handle difficult subjects leaving aside his "perceived" market of "A" centers. This is what real hard core directors have done all over the world. Instead he dribbles with bollywood and that too in ventures that are hardly brain teasing or heart stopping.
In simple words he still doesnt have to guts to do what a Vishal (director) does in Bollywood or what Bala or Cheran do in Kollywood (again comparison only in how subjects are approached and not how they are presented). He has to understand that Bollywood "A" center audience prefer "Karan Johar" and he is neither Karan, nor Govind Nihalani. However he has better chances of becoming a Nihalani or Tapan Sinha - thereby making the real cinema more popular.
I would call Mani as a wondeful opportunity that never came about for real cinema.

This may be true and a valid point .. also his choice of casting only main stream actors like shahrukh ... inorder to grab audience probably shows his lack of belief in himself as a film-maker.

But whatever it might be ... he is a director who has brought new technicallity and a new way of film making which has influenced a whole (one) generation of film makers & audience as well.

Coming to the choice & the approach of a subject in his film- I think in Mouna Ragam he has brought a classic way of bringing in the interpersonnel problem faced by a couple .. what better could be an example of "approach towards a subject" in films....

Barathiraja & illayaraja were a trend setter in Tamil Films ...their influence in their generation of film-making were immence...
Maniratnam & ARR are their contemporaries who have taken this trend to a slightly differrent level ...( beyond the boundaries of tamilnadu) .. for which they definitely deserves a huge applause..

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 24 6:13:56 2006.

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manuel wrote:

This may be true and a valid point .. also his choice of casting only main stream actors like shahrukh ... inorder to grab audience probably shows his lack of belief in himself as a film-maker.

than how do u xplain Maddy in AP and Raghuvaran,Arvindswamy in Roja,Anjali???? hey that guy is one confident filmmaker.....

manuel wrote:

But whatever it might be ... he is a director who has brought new technicallity and a new way of film making which has influenced a whole (one) generation of film makers & audience as well.

xactly.......still tamil movies havent come out of his style of song picturisation.....

manuel wrote:

Barathiraja & illayaraja were a trend setter in Tamil Films ...their influence in their generation of film-making were immence...Maniratnam & ARR are their contemporaries who have taken this trend to a slightly differrent level ...( beyond the boundaries of tamilnadu) .. for which they definitely deserves a huge applause..

no doubt, BR and IR are pillars on which todays tamil films stand......MR and ARR made it a beautiful, globally admired structure......

From: Ulaganayagan on Tue Oct 24 6:37:44 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

manuel wrote:

This may be true and a valid point .. also his choice of casting only main stream actors like shahrukh ... inorder to grab audience probably shows his lack of belief in himself as a film-maker.

than how do u xplain Maddy in AP and Raghuvaran,Arvindswamy in Roja,Anjali???? hey that guy is one confident filmmaker.....

You forgot Murali in Pagal Nilavu-MR's debut Tamil movie..
I remember Satyaraj saying in an interview that MR looked totally unsure of what he was doing in the sets and that Satyaraj started wondering why he evr took up the project,but only later he realised the quality of MR's work...MR also has the rare distinction of not having worked as an asst.director for anyone...

From: MADDY on Tue Oct 24 19:15:50 2006. [Full View]

exactly UN......just curious to know if Gautam Menon was a asst to someone or not???
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Oct 24 22:31:40 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

exactly UN......just curious to know if Gautam Menon was a asst to someone or not???

Rajeev Menon i think
From: jaiganes on Wed Oct 25 0:58:08 2006. [Full View]

A small digression

Watched Sound of Music yesterday in DVD.
The opening scenes had some nuns singing about the heroine.
It kind of reminded me of the song "Sundari" in Kannathil Muthamittal - not the tune, just the concept. In fact one line was "She is an angel, She is a demon". Just thought could post it here.

Also watched "Cleopatra" starring Elizabeth Taylor, rex Harrison and Richart burton. Mind boggling epic!!!
From: Ramakrishna on Wed Oct 25 8:39:25 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

exactly UN......just curious to know if Gautam Menon was a asst to someone or not???

He was an assistant to Rajeev Menon. He would also appear in a scene in Minsaara Kanavu where Prabhudeva prevents a girl from committing suicide.
From: Raghu on Wed Oct 25 10:34:58 2006. [Full View]

who is *ing in Guru, is it not Mithun Chakaraborti???
From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 25 12:19:45 2006. [Full View]

Raghu wrote:

who is *ing in Guru, is it not Mithun Chakaraborti???
ithu kooda theriyaatha unnakku.. its alwarpettai aandavar's blockbuster movie...
From: Nerd on Wed Oct 25 12:47:22 2006. [Full View]

EKSI??

He asked who is starRING in Guru not who has staRRED in guru

Btw, abhishek and aishwarya are the leads in Guru and I think mithun also plays an important role in the movie

From: Aandavan on Wed Oct 25 12:49:32 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

EKSI??

He asked who is starRING in Guru not who has staRRED in guru

ROTFL

Btw, abhishek and aishwarya are the leads in Guru and I think mithun also plays an important role in the movie Cool

enna madakitta

From: njv on Wed Oct 25 15:48:31 2006. [Full View]

Why invite Mr back to TFM. He was good and made few gimmicks and its all gone now. Let him focus on the rest of his days in HFM. We need someone who can think fresh and copy new movies from hollywood.

From: m_23_bayarea on Wed Oct 25 21:12:49 2006.

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njv wrote:

Why invite Mr back to TFM. He was good and made few gimmicks and its all gone now. Let him focus on the rest of his days in HFM. We need someone who can think fresh and copy new movies from hollywood.

FEW GIMMICKS ??

From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 26 0:49:09 2006. [Full View]

enna galatta???
MR kku edhira 24% vandhiduchae!!
From: Raghu on Thu Oct 26 6:29:50 2006. [Full View]

Aandavan wrote:

Raghu wrote:

who is *ing in Guru, is it not Mithun Chakaraborti???
ithu kooda theriyaatha unnakku.. its alwarpettai aandavar's blockbuster movie...

Mariyathaiyai pesa kathuko

From: Aandavan on Thu Oct 26 6:45:29 2006.

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Raghu wrote:

Aandavan wrote:

Raghu wrote:

who is *ing in Guru, is it not Mithun Chakaraborti???

ithu kooda theriyaatha unnakku.. its alwarpettai aandavar's blockbuster movie... Cool

Mariyathaiyai pesa kathuko Twisted Evil

are u babaji's best friend

From: MADDY on Thu Oct 26 6:47:55 2006. [Full View]

jaiganes wrote:

enna galatta???
MR kku edhira 24% vandhiduchae!!

32% now....

this was expected......i mite request NOV to close the thread b4 mani loses out.....
From: imsai on Thu Oct 26 6:48:57 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

enna galatta???
MR kku edhira 24% vandhiduchae!!

32% now....

this was expected......i mite request NOV to close the thread b4 mani loses out.....

wait, I'm going to vote now

just did
From: Aandavan on Thu Oct 26 6:50:57 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

enna galatta???
MR kku edhira 24% vandhiduchae!!

32% now....

this was expected......i mite request NOV to close the thread b4 mani loses out.....
ennoda ellaa reserve ids-um eduthuttu varen... then, will definitely get a simple majority..
From: jaiganes on Thu Oct 26 7:15:21 2006. [Full View]

Jokes apart!
Considering MR accedes to return to Kollywood, what kind of subjects(or stories or genres) should he work on. Here goes my wish list:
1. Hard core sci-fi like terminator (Sujatha is there with all the stories).
2. One period movie set in 17th century
3. One totally offbeat movie - village based subject - totally out of Mani's comfort feel all done without famililiar faces of Mani movies. Totally emotional.
4. Cinematization of a novel written by Ashokamithran or Jayakanthan or Sa. Kandhasamy - more like what Mahendran did in his early days (Mahendran's biggest hits were both subjects drawn from Thamizh novels).

With so much left to be done here itself, how to call him the best we have had?

From: MADDY on Thu Oct 26 9:36:36 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

3. One totally offbeat movie - village based subject - totally out of Mani's comfort feel all done without famililiar faces of Mani movies. Totally emotional.

With so much left to be done here itself, how to call him the best we have had?

well i wud really want Mani to do a village subject....that wud be great......his sequences in roja were really sweet.......and if arr can give songs like Thirupachi aruval then it wud be one cracker........u never know, he might do a movie based on enemity also.....

btw its an open secret that Mani was the half director for Indira which was a village subject and a beautiful one at that......

From: raaja_rasigan on Thu Oct 26 10:19:13 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

jaiganes wrote:

mani ratnam can give a colorful village but not an emotional village like that of barathiraaja

From: rocketboy on Thu Oct 26 12:01:23 2006. [Full View]

raaja_rasigan wrote:

mani ratnam can give a colorful village but not an emotional village like that of barathiraaja

Well said. I guess people like Gautam Menon, Mani Rathnam have never been to a village even once. Their village based films are surreal.
From: Unicorn on Thu Oct 26 12:17:56 2006. [Full View]

Abishek Bachan,Aishwarya Rai
Abi looks very mature in the trailer

Raghu wrote:

who is *ing in Guru, is it not Mithun Chakaraborti???

From: nilavupriyan on Thu Oct 26 13:09:11 2006.

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rocketboy wrote:

raaja_rasigan wrote:

mani ratnam can give a colorful village but not an emotional village like that of barathiraaja Cool

Well said. I guess people like Gautam Menon, Mani Rathnam have never been to a village even once. Their village based films are surreal.

hmmm....yeah!

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 26 14:26:18 2006. [Full View]

Why should Mani make a Village subject ?? To prove he's a GREAT director ??? That is world-known already !!! However, his work in the village in ROJA, BOMBAY, and INDIRA was very REALISTIC and FEEL-GOOD !!

PS: Boy, am I not contradicting all the above posts here ??

From: Prabhu Ram on Thu Oct 26 17:30:10 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

Jokes apart!
Considering MR accedes to return to Kollywood, what kind of subjects(or stories or genres) should he work on. Here goes my wish list:
1. Hard core sci-fi like terminator (Sujatha is there with all the stories).
2. One period movie set in 17th century
3. One totally offbeat movie - village based subject - totally out of Mani's comfort feel all done without famililiar faces of Mani movies. Totally emotional.
4. Cinematization of a novel written by Ashokamithran or Jayakanthan or Sa. Kandhasamy - more like what Mahendran did in his early days (Mahendran's biggest hits were both subjects drawn from Thamizh novels).

1) Dunno what happened to Shankar's 'Robot' to be made with Kamal.
2) Heard MR was toying with the idea of Ponniyin Selvan and MR and Sujatha even wrote a screenplay draft. But it was shelved for pure feasibility reasons.
3) As bay points out MR wrote Indira. Which is a pretty decent village subject both in terms of content and setting (of course, completely devoid of any regional flavour, not even to extent tried by his assistant Azhagamperumal in Dum Dum Dum)
4) Vasanth (of kELadi kaNmani fame) is apparently making a film on Asokamitran's thaNNeer

Out of your points we have somone attempting 1&4. 2 was considered and shelved.

From: rocketboy on Sun Oct 29 13:25:35 2006. [Full View]

Some hubbers have questioned Vikram's characterization in Pithamagan. I was musing about it today and was reminded of an incident which happened when I was young. I had gone to my native place for vacation and my cousin dropped by. He came in a car, a Maruti to be more precise. Now when he approached our house the dogs in the neighborhood started to bark and they soon surrounded the car. It took me some time to realize why they were behaving in that strange manner. This happened when Maruti cars were just introduced in the market and no one else owned one in my village. So these dogs which were used to seeing only the jumbo sized Ambassador cars mistook this Maruthi for a big white colored animal. .
From: great on Sun Oct 29 14:09:59 2006. [Full View]

Raghu wrote:

who is *ing in Guru, is it not Mithun Chakaraborti???

Yeah Mithu, Abhishek and Aish. Guess Mithun would be playing -ive role in this movie
From: VillageGimp on Sun Oct 29 15:58:18 2006. [Full View]

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself
From: kb on Sun Oct 29 17:48:52 2006. [Full View]

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

poona kanna mudina ulagam irrundhuchi ninaikuma..

pesaama mani padam varum bothi kanna mudikongo
From: nilavupriyan on Sun Oct 29 23:15:16 2006. [Full View]

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

apdi enna avaru "sonnaalthan kadhala" illa "vallavanaiya edutharu
From: great on Mon Oct 30 0:42:06 2006. [Full View]

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

Who is ur fav actor , director and MD

Dont say TR for all
From: Unicorn on Mon Oct 30 1:32:27 2006. [Full View]

Madhavan hhes also playin a negative role.

great wrote:

Raghu wrote:

who is *ing in Guru, is it not Mithun Chakaraborti???

Yeah Mithu, Abhishek and Aish. Guess Mithun would be playing -ive role in this movie

From: VillageGimp on Mon Oct 30 3:05:54 2006.

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great wrote:

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

Who is ur fav actor , director and MD Confused

Dont say TR for all Shaking With Fear

Favourite actor - Rajinikanth... but I am a bigger fan of Ilayaraaja more than any one else.

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

From: nilavupriyan on Mon Oct 30 3:08:14 2006.

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VillageGimp wrote:

great wrote:

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

Who is ur fav actor , director and MD Confused

Dont say TR for all Shaking With Fear

Favourite actor - Rajinikanth... but I am a bigger fan of Ilayaraaja more than any one else.

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

From: selvakumar on Mon Oct 30 3:21:04 2006. [Full View]

VillageGimp wrote:

Favourite actor - Rajinikanth... but I am a bigger fan of Ilayaraaja more than any one else.

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

Thalaivaaa ! eppadi itheLLaam !
ungaLa adichukavae mudiyaathu pola irukku !

I am expecting a flood of messages from ARR fans !

From: villan007 on Mon Oct 30 6:00:24 2006.

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nilavupriyan wrote:

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

apdi enna avaru "sonnaalthan kadhala" illa "vallavanaiya edutharu

From: MADDY on Mon Oct 30 6:19:46 2006. [Full View]

selvakumar wrote:

god knows what he wants wrote:

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind
I am expecting a flood of messages from ARR fans !

actually we are too tired to react to this....

From: rayan36 on Mon Oct 30 6:24:45 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

selvakumar wrote:

god knows what he wants wrote:

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

I am expecting a flood of messages from ARR fans ! Laughing

actually we are too tired to react to this.... Smoke Smirk

Luckily this is a forum

From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 30 7:25:26 2006. [Full View]

VillageGimp wrote:

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

Adangokka makka .... idhu enakku theriyaama poachae....

naatulae enna paththi enna nenaippaanunga.....
From: raaja_rasigan on Mon Oct 30 7:29:44 2006. [Full View]

VillageGimp wrote:

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

jampalakkadi bampaa.... village gimp... konjam kaaranathai eduthu sonna nalla irukkungnaa..... solreenglaanna
From: great on Mon Oct 30 7:41:36 2006. [Full View]

VillageGimp wrote:

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

wooof had enough laugh for the day !!!

Hey dandakku dandakku

From: ajithfederer on Mon Oct 30 8:02:53 2006.

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VillageGimp wrote:

great wrote:

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

Who is ur fav actor , director and MD Confused

Dont say TR for all Shaking With Fear

Favourite actor - Rajinikanth... but I am a bigger fan of Ilayaraaja more than any one else.

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Oct 30 8:46:32 2006.

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VillageGimp wrote:

great wrote:

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

Who is ur fav actor , director and MD Confused

Dont say TR for all Shaking With Fear

Favourite actor - Rajinikanth... but I am a bigger fan of Ilayaraaja more than any one else.

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

<Digr>

Gimpu, Even though I dont agree with the content above, I have to admit, your posts are CRACKIN the heq out of me !!! Keep Rockin !!!

And yay, Now I know who your fav actor is !!!

<Digr>

From: ranarajan on Thu Nov 2 16:04:47 2006. [Full View]

MR IS LIKE BEST DIR. IN INDIA....AND ARR IS THE BEST MD IN INDIA.... TAMILS R THE BEST ...WE RULE YAY! NUMERO ONE!!!

From: ranarajan on Thu Nov 2 16:05:55 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

VillageGimp wrote:

great wrote:

VillageGimp wrote:

Infact..After watching Yuva I dont want him to come any where nearer to cinema itself

Who is ur fav actor , director and MD Confused

Dont say TR for all Shaking With Fear

Favourite actor - Rajinikanth... but I am a bigger fan of Ilayaraaja more than any one else.

But TR is a better MD than ARR mind

<Digr>

Gimpu, Even though I dont agree with the content above, I have to admit, your posts are CRACKIN the heq out of me !!! Keep Rockin !!! ROTFL

And yay, Now I know who your fav actor is !!! Clap

<Digr>

HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA ...TR. THIS GUY IS JOKES... LOL ...DATS ALL I GOTTA SAY... NO COMMENT.!!! IF I COMMENT ILL GET A WARNING IN MY MAILBOX THE NEXT DAY..!!!

From: jaiganes on Mon Nov 6 2:39:58 2006. [Full View]

GURU - music released.
Interesting theme and story line for a Bollywood movie.
I liked the period setting and costumes of Abishek. The trailer music was not revealing anything. Need to wait to get hold of the CD to listen. I was reminded of a Jeff Bridges movie where the protagonist is a big family man with undying entrepreneurial spirit and love for making cars. The movie is Tucker The styling and colouring was very similar. I hope that Guru breaks new grounds for Mani and Rahman.

From: nilavupriyan on Mon Nov 6 2:45:09 2006.

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jaiganes wrote:

GURU - music released.
Interesting theme and story line for a Bollywood movie.
I liked the period setting and costumes of Abishek. The trailer music was not revealing anything. Need to wait to get hold of the CD to listen. I was reminded of a Jeff Bridges movie where the protagonist is a big family man with undying entrepreneurial spirit and love for making cars. The movie is Tucker The styling and colouring was very similar. I hope that Guru breaks new grounds for Mani and Rahman.

links links links links links links links links links links links

From: Nerd on Mon Nov 6 12:22:00 2006. [Full View]

Mani stays hush-hush on Guru
Aarti Kapur Singh
CNN-IBN
Posted Monday , November 06, 2006 at 17:37
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THE GURU OF FILMMAKING: Mani says Guru is a fictional film but will be in touch with reality.

Mumbai: Director Mani Ratnam's films are usually kept under wraps till their release. However, he makes an exception to talk about his new film Guru during it's audio release in Mumbai.

Aarti Kapur Singh: Mani Ratnam�s films are mostly slices from the real life. So, the obvious question to you is, how close to reality is Guru?

Mani Ratnam: It is a fictional film but hopefully it will be in touch with reality.

Aarti Kapur Singh: The character that Abhishek Bachchan plays, Gurukant Desai, thinks or at least says that one should think ahead, think big and think fast. Is that how you would describe the process of making Guru?

Mani Ratnam: No, it was not that easy to think big and think fast. We had to think hard and that is what goes into making a film. The film is about this character who is from a village and he climbs up the social ladder. So, we follow him and his path is what the film takes.

Aarti Kapur Singh: You are only fueling further speculation.

Mani Ratnam: I can�t help that. It is a fictional film and we are trying to stay with the character.

Aarti Kapur Singh: Can we call the film a biopic? Is that how you would present the film? Is it a love story or do you think it is an inspirational film?

Mani Ratnam: Why do you want to classify it or conveniently put it in pigeon holes? It is a film that we have put together so let us see how it looks.

Aarti Kapur Singh: Guru of course releases in December and then you begin work on Lajjo. Is the Chennai film industry going to miss you for a long time?

Mani Ratnam: They are not complaining (laughs). They are probably saying good!
From: MADDY on Mon Nov 6 12:51:12 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Mani Ratnam: They are not complaining (laughs). They are probably saying good![/b]

[/tscii]

man , this is so sad......... .................this great man is really hurt, i shuld ssay.....
From: jaiganes on Tue Nov 7 0:32:14 2006. [Full View]

Hey maddy!
dont feel bad!!
Mani probly needs more money to do more ambitious projects. The fact that bollywood can churn crores of Rupees in no time cannot escape even the most naive. So be happy for him that he is probly hving more money at his disposal and more stars who wouldn't say no to his movie fearing "image loss" like it happens in south (can't help it - it is a phenomenon).
As long as he keeps his production house busy in south giving chance to youg directors, I would be happy and he could also take pride in the fact that he is not blocking the way of some young directors reaching upto his stage.
From: Unicorn on Tue Nov 7 3:25:40 2006. [Full View]

hoes guru audio?
From: cancer on Tue Nov 7 3:29:12 2006. [Full View]

http://sify.com/imagegallery/gallery/index.php?hcategory=13709686&hgallery=14324964
From: Ramakrishna on Sat Nov 11 7:18:00 2006. [Full View]

Manirathnam is still a Madras man
IndiaGlitz [Saturday, November 11, 2006]

Close on the heels of completing Abhishek Bachchan � Aishwarya starrer Guru, Manirathnam would wield the megaphone for another Bollywood movie titled Lajjo. The movie would star Aamir Khan and Kareena Kapoor in lead roles.

Now with Manirathnam venturing to do back-to-back Hindi movies, his fans in Tamilnadu are obviously upset.

Adding to it, there were reports that the director had bid bye to Tamil.

However Manirathnam said, 'Both my scripts � Guru and Lajjo are more suited for Hindi audience. Hence I am doing them in Bollywood. I am keen to do a Tamil movie and hopefully by next year, I would do one. Hope my fans like my films and for them I feel language is no barrier', he adds.
From: bulb_mani on Sat Nov 11 7:28:07 2006. [Full View]

Unicorn wrote:

hoes guru audio?

The music in Guru website rocks...
From: Ulaganayagan on Sat Nov 11 21:45:08 2006. [Full View]

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/nov-06-02/11-11-06-guru.html

Interesting write-up ...
From: great on Sun Nov 12 5:53:50 2006. [Full View]

Unicorn wrote:

hoes guru audio?

15/18th of NOVEMBER.

Eagerly awaiting 4 this album
From: Ulaganayagan on Mon Nov 13 16:38:19 2006. [Full View]

http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14325464

A self description of each character in Guru..Has Maniratnam's touch all over it..Super..

Guru Kant Desai � Abhishek Bachchan

There�s a saying in our village, if people say bad things about you, you must be doing something good. Sounds true, doesn�t it?

Sujatha � Aishwarya Rai

I hated my father for forcing me to marry Guru. But I was sent away to Bombay to live with my unwanted husband and my anger in a one-room chawl. I don�t know when I stopped thinking of him as a stranger and started calling him Guru. I was too shy to say things like I love you, but love was perfume I wore everyday. Some people call him God, some say he is evil, but for me he is the man who has to just enter the room and I can feel that perfume waft its way across and settle on me� that perfume called love�

Manikdas Guptha (Nanaji) � Mithun Chakravarthy

Swathantra � is the newspaper I run, and the newspaper runs me. Gurubhai was like a son to me, when I met him first on the streets of Bombay. He had righteous anger and a desire to achieve his goals. I liked that. He was in a hurry to make his own way. I liked that even more. When others told me that Gurubhai was not all white, I thought they were envious of him and ignored them. That was my mistake. No cost is too great in the pursuit of truth. And in my fight for the truth I knew that I�d either destroy Guru or myself. And I was prepared for both.

Shyam Saxena � R. Madhavan

Gurukanth Desai should be put in a jail and the keys should be thrown away. It�s not just that he is evil, but he awakens the evil in everyone. Gurubhai flirted with the law and the lawmakers, did anything and everything to enhance his business, and then buried the laws and built a fountain on top of it to make the grave look pretty. Profit and the share price were the only two parameters that mattered to him. Right and wrong, just and unjust were incidental. I will fight him and the Gurus of this world till the very end.

Meenu � Vidya Balan

I met Gurubhai when I was seven years old. He was the only one who never asked me why I limped. While Nanaji and Shyam could only see what Gurubhai had done, I could see why he had done it. When you run fast you do kick up a lot of dust. But dust always settles. I could see it from my wheelchair but Nanaji could not. I like fights. And this one where everyone I loved was fighting each other was exciting. They cared but they fought. The contradiction was exactly like life. And I loved life. Especially when there was so little of it left.
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 13 20:45:46 2006. [Full View]

Ulaganayagan wrote:

http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14325464

A self description of each character in Guru..Has Maniratnam's touch all over it..Super..

This movie has to become a BIG HIT even commercially ... I know the critics will love it no matter what !!
From: bulb_mani on Mon Nov 13 20:48:30 2006. [Full View]

I want Manirathnam back in Kollywood Doing a Movie in which Danush should be Hero and Ramarajan should be villian.. see how innovative I am...
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 13 20:49:47 2006. [Full View]

bulb_mani wrote:

I want Manirathnam back in Kollywood Doing a Movie in which Danush should be Hero and Ramarajan should be villian.. see how innovative I am...

Donno what to say !!! But it should be interesting !!

From: bulb_mani on Mon Nov 13 20:52:32 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

bulb_mani wrote:

I want Manirathnam back in Kollywood Doing a Movie in which Danush should be Hero and Ramarajan should be villian.. see how innovative I am... Rolling Eyes

Donno what to say !!! But it should be interesting !! Laughing

Yeah the problem with TAMIL CINEMA is they dont have innovation...

Mani can bring the actor in Ramarajan and Danush to the fore and the movie should have music by KUNNAKUDI VAIDYANATHAN

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 13 20:54:35 2006.

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bulb_mani wrote:

Yeah the problem with TAMIL CINEMA is they dont have innovation... Razz

Mani can bring the actor in Ramarajan and Danush to the fore and the movie should have music by KUNNAKUDI VAIDYANATHAN Confused

Oh come on! Dont you think movies like CM, Anniyan, Ghajini, Pudhupettai, VV, Varalaaru etc etc just in the last two years were different from the usual ones?? Let's not degrade Tamil movies plssssssssss !!!

But definitely, Mani can bring the best out of anything and anybody !!!

From: bulb_mani on Mon Nov 13 20:57:09 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

bulb_mani wrote:

Yeah the problem with TAMIL CINEMA is they dont have innovation... Razz

Mani can bring the actor in Ramarajan and Danush to the fore and the movie should have music by KUNNAKUDI VAIDYANATHAN Confused

But definitely, Mani can bring the best out of anything and anybody !!! Razz

Of course they were but the cast i mean not the script

I fee lbad for Pudupet.. i loved the movie... dunno why it flopped

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 13 20:58:01 2006. [Full View]

bulb_mani wrote:

I fee lbad for Pudupet.. i loved the movie... dunno why it flopped

Me too man !! What a great movie !!!
From: smith on Tue Nov 14 7:28:49 2006. [Full View]

Mani saar is trying for that elusive hit in hindi.

When guru flops (it will bcos it has abishek in it), he will be back in tamil films.

Don't worry.
From: bulb_mani on Tue Nov 14 7:31:49 2006. [Full View]

smith wrote:

Mani saar is trying for that elusive hit in hindi.

When guru flops (it will bcos it has abishek in it), he will be back in tamil films.

Don't worry.

he gets whopping money in bollywood than in kolly may be
From: MADDY on Tue Nov 14 9:15:00 2006. [Full View]

summa ella therinja madhiri pesa koodathu.......Mani films never fail to collect Money.....his movies are a big rage overseas.......infact it was Dil se only which showed Indian movies that they can earn in Overseas as well.......so he need not make a tamil movie just bcos 1 or 2 hindi movies fail....

bulb_mani wrote:

I fee lbad for Pudupet.. i loved the movie... dunno why it flopped

bcos the hero was Dhanush who acted like Ramarajan and music was like Kunnakudi vaidyanadhan's........idhu eppadi irukku.....

anyways Mani-ye sollitaru that he is not averse doing Tamil movies......but none can deny that he is not happy with the current tamil scenario.....
From: ajithfederer on Tue Nov 14 12:55:18 2006. [Full View]

http://www.behindwoods.com/features/Slideshows/slideshows2/guru-slideshow/guru-4.html
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Nov 14 16:49:23 2006. [Full View]

smith wrote:

Mani saar is trying for that elusive hit in hindi.

When guru flops (it will bcos it has abishek in it), he will be back in tamil films.

Don't worry.

That was funny!

From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Nov 14 16:52:13 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

summa ella therinja madhiri pesa koodathu.......Mani films never fail to collect Money.....his movies are a big rage overseas.......infact it was Dil se only which showed Indian movies that they can earn in Overseas as well.......so he need not make a tamil movie just bcos 1 or 2 hindi movies fail....

YES !!! Totally .... DIL SE was in the UK top 10 or something for quite a while!!

MADDY wrote:

bcos the hero was Dhanush who acted like Ramarajan and music was like Kunnakudi vaidyanadhan's........idhu eppadi irukku..... Laughing

NO !!! Not really .... Dhanush was remarkable, and the music was good too Maddy !!!

MADDY wrote:

anyways Mani-ye sollitaru that he is not averse doing Tamil movies......but none can deny that he is not happy with the current tamil scenario.....

Well, Mani cant really break in at this point, cos like you mentioned, the taste of Tamil audience and the expectations have changed soooo much, that Mani's style cant FIT IN, unless it breaks all the barriers !!!

From: thamiz on Tue Nov 14 18:55:00 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Do you want ManiRatnam to make a Tamil movie ever?

What was the last movie he did in Tamil?

Are not we surviving with young directors till now?

I dont think we need him and we can survive without him.

Quote:

I fee lbad for Pudupet.. i loved the movie... dunno why it flopped

I did not like that movie at all.

It was ridiculous comparing this Danush with Al Pacino!
From: leosimha on Wed Nov 15 10:37:54 2006. [Full View]

Will �Guru� do good at the box office?

This is my first attempt in documenting a prediction about how a particular movie will do at the Box Office before its release.

Someone who is in a way associated with Abhishek Bacchan-starring Mani Ratnam�s latest flick �Guru� met me recently. The person�s major concern was, whether the movie will do well at the box office? And this gave me a chance to predict about the performance of a movie, which otherwise I have never done before.

I don�t have Mani Ratnam�s horoscope, but here I have tried to predict the performance of his next movie using his life pattern. He ran a very bad period since the year 2002, where two of his highly proclaimed movies bombed at the box office. Madhavan-Simran starring Kannathil Muttam Ittal, and Ayude Ezhuthu (Yuva in Hindi) were neither appreciated much by people nor by the media.

Moreover he was hospitalized in the same period for mild chest pain, and top of it, he lost his brother GV, who eventually had committed suicide due to high debts. GV was believed to have sponsored most of Mani�s endeavours.

Saturn transited in the month of November 2006, which should surely bring Mani some good news on his career front. The period between November 2006 and January 2007 will be ideal for him to release the movie. And I heard from my sister, that she saw a poster at Satyam Cinema, announcing the release of the movie in the month of December 2006, which astrologically is an awesome period for Mani Ratnam.

I also checked my Tarot Cards to answer the client query about the movie. And the cards that flashed were the Sun, and 9 of Pentacles - based on which it can be astrologically said that that the movie will do really well at the box office, will make high collections, and also will receive international acclaim!

Abhishek Bacchan is already running an awesome time, so his luck should favour the movie too.

Pray God for the movie and also for my predictions and me!

Source - http://www.askenni.com/archives/2006/11/will_guru_do_go.html#more

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 15 10:50:16 2006.

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leosimha wrote:

I also checked my Tarot Cards to answer the client query about the movie. And the cards that flashed were the Sun, and 9 of Pentacles - based on which it can be astrologically said that that the movie will do really well at the box office, will make high collections, and also will receive international acclaim!

Abhishek Bacchan is already running an awesome time, so his luck should favour the movie too.

Pray God for the movie and also for my predictions and me!

oh god , how happy will i be, if this becomes true....

From: joe on Wed Nov 15 10:55:12 2006. [Full View]

If horoscope decides the success of a movie ,why we need ManiRatnam ? Just find a guy with good horoscope for this time and make him director..no matter what he direct,move will succeed
From: MADDY on Wed Nov 15 10:59:50 2006. [Full View]

Maniratnam is making the movie........horoscope will just tell what will happen to the movie.....thats it......its not the horoscope guy who makes the movies........

actually such things keep us going, i really feel that Guru will succeed now...... ............its just how we take it........i know "Ayiram periyar vandhalum, engaala maadhiri aalungala-ellam thiruthhave mudiyathu"

From: leosimha on Thu Nov 16 1:43:10 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

Maniratnam is making the movie........horoscope will just tell what will happen to the movie.....thats it......its not the horoscope guy who makes the movies........

actually such things keep us going, i really feel that Guru will succeed now...... Very Happy

............its just how we take it........i know "Ayiram periyar vandhalum, engaala maadhiri aalungala-ellam thiruthhave mudiyathu" Laughing

what do you mean by the above (bold blue)...

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 16 5:22:43 2006. [Full View]

leosimha wrote:

what do you mean by the above (bold blue)...

i meant i'll always be superstitious and belieiving in things like horoscope.....
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 5:26:58 2006. [Full View]

I want Mani to direct a movie with Rajini and Kamal together
From: leosimha on Thu Nov 16 5:33:05 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

leosimha wrote:

what do you mean by the above (bold blue)...

i meant i'll always be superstitious and belieiving in things like horoscope.....

okay.....thank god...it didn't lead to something else.....thought i understood your statement...people here might take it the other way....
From: leosimha on Thu Nov 16 5:33:32 2006. [Full View]

bulb_mani wrote:

I want Mani to direct a movie with Rajini and Kamal together

yes yes yes...
From: smith on Thu Nov 16 5:35:56 2006. [Full View]

that will happen - in Ur dreams
From: leosimha on Thu Nov 16 5:36:39 2006. [Full View]

smith wrote:

that will happen - in Ur dreams

lol....
From: Aandavan on Thu Nov 16 5:40:33 2006. [Full View]

smith wrote:

that will happen - in Ur dreams
not even in dreams...
From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 5:41:44 2006. [Full View]

Ok... then simbu and Danush in a movie
From: MADDY on Thu Nov 16 5:48:02 2006. [Full View]

idhukkku dhaan enga aala Tamil pakkame vara venannu sonnaen....

hmmm, actually Kamal is not averse doing a movie with his mapillai but where will Rajni fit here??? how abt a movie like KANK having both Rajini and Kamal........a soft love story touching infidelity???

From: bulb_mani on Thu Nov 16 5:49:32 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

idhukkku dhaan enga aala Tamil pakkame vara venannu sonnaen.... Laughing

hmmm, actually Kamal is not averse doing a movie with his mapillai but where will Rajni fit here??? how abt a movie like KANK having both Rajini and Kamal........a soft love story touching infidelity??? Wink

will look horrible as both are not of any age to do a soft love story

From: MADDY on Thu Nov 16 5:56:26 2006. [Full View]

bulb_mani wrote:

will look horrible as both are not of any age to do a soft love story

soft love happens for old ppl. too.... ........really it will be one heck of a movie.....
From: Movie Cop on Thu Nov 16 22:39:06 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

What was the last movie he did in Tamil?
Are not we surviving with young directors till now?
I dont think we need him and we can survive without him.

Yeah... After Maniratnam's last Tamil movie Ayudha Ezhuthu was made in 2004 there were lot's of Tamil movies that got released after that which would qualify for International Film festivals
"Young" directors like Ramana & Perarasu are already taking Tamil cinema to the next level; so we don't need Maniratnam anymore...

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Nov 16 22:43:13 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

bulb_mani wrote:

will look horrible as both are not of any age to do a soft love story Laughing

soft love happens for old ppl. too.... Laughing

........really it will be one heck of a movie.....

KB can make such movies though !!!

From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Nov 16 22:43:47 2006.

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Movie Cop wrote:

Yeah... After Maniratnam's last Tamil movie Ayudha Ezhuthu was made in 2004 there were lot's of Tamil movies that got released after that which would qualify for International Film festivals ROTFL

"Young" directors like Ramana & Perarasu are already taking Tamil cinema to the next level; so we don't need Maniratnam anymore... ROTFL

EXCELLENT !!!

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 14:59:03 2006. [Full View]

MC :

Well, nobody is in the top for ever. His time is over, if you ask me and that is why he retires himself!

yeah, mani is so great in refurbishing BR bandhlu's kaRNan as dalapathy!

Nobody can do that unless you have watched Godfather and add those stuff into badhlu's extract, carefully!
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 15:01:12 2006. [Full View]

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 15:04:26 2006.

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thamiz wrote:

:

* Well, nobody is in the top for ever. His time is over, if you ask me and that is why he retires himself!

* yeah, mani is so great in refurbishing BR bandhlu's kaRNan as dalapathy!

* Nobody can do that unless you have watched Godfather and add those stuff into badhlu's extract, carefully! Smile

The first two points are quite clear !!! I dont get the 3rd point though !!!

Anyways, are you saying Mani is all refurbishing and nothing else ??

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 15:27:05 2006. [Full View]

Nope, I did not say that, bay!

bulb-manikku kObam vnthuruchchu pOlayirukku!
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 15:28:39 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Nope, I did not say that, bay!

bulb-manikku kObam vnthuruchchu pOlayirukku!

Kovam ellam ila naanum inga irukenu kaamika thaan
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 15:30:06 2006. [Full View]

bulb_mani wrote:

thamiz wrote:

Nope, I did not say that, bay!

bulb-manikku kObam vnthuruchchu pOlayirukku!

Kovam ellam ila naanum inga irukenu kaamika thaan

Hehe OK !!
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 15:30:32 2006. [Full View]

okay, now only I am learning about you! Take it easy, b-m!
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 15:35:36 2006. [Full View]

Thats ok thamiz...

Manirathnam --> i can see his shades in SELVARAGHAVAN and VISHNUVARDAN what u say?
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 15:40:54 2006. [Full View]

bulb_mani wrote:

Thats ok thamiz...

Manirathnam --> i can see his shades in SELVARAGHAVAN and VISHNUVARDAN what u say?

OF Course !!! All the DARK movies that these guys make are INSPIRED from him !!!
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 15:40:57 2006. [Full View]

Sure, he definitely made a change in TA cinema rythm and so many who "follows' his touches
From: MADDY on Fri Nov 17 15:51:57 2006. [Full View]

just like ARR whose success emphasised the importance of "sound" in indian cinema, mani emphasised the importance of picture quality and light effects in the movie.......though some movies like Agni Natchitram had poor lightings, i guess it was in the development stages.......

well lets see how Guru compares with a VV or a PP........if mani can bring better visuals then these 2 movies then boss i'll declare Maniratnam as invincible........cos gautam menon boasted (with a lot of ego) that VV is the best made film technical wise in recent years.........if a 50+ man can make better visuals than him, then its time for him to

mani come on, u can do it.....
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 16:00:30 2006. [Full View]

but Dialogues - wise Gautham seems to follow Manirathnam.... i agree with MADDY that VV is technically the best film so far ive seen... after AYUDHA EZHUTHU... in AE Mani would have used 3 different colour lens... Green For Surya , Red for Maddy and Blue for SIddharth to reflect the characters it seems... the cameraman even spoke about this to TV Was great work

From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 16:03:32 2006.

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bulb_mani wrote:

but Dialogues - wise Gautham seems to follow Manirathnam.... i agree with MADDY that VV is technically the best film so far ive seen... after AYUDHA EZHUTHU... in AE Mani would have used 3 different colour lens... Green For Surya , Red for Maddy and Blue for SIddharth to reflect the characters it seems... the cameraman even spoke about this to TV Very Happy

Was great work

I really enjoyed that tecnique...

If u see Sanjay Gupta's Musafir, he would have done the same thing...but I think AE came before Musafir!

Man! I really want to see a Mani Rathnam Tamil Movie again!

From: Parker on Fri Nov 17 16:05:01 2006. [Full View]

1000 directors vandhaalum manirathnam padmna adhu thani standard thaan,vera yaarukkum varadhu.
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 16:05:41 2006. [Full View]

Exactly i think AE flopped bcoz the idea of students getting into politics did not work and will never work either i suppose... AJith , Vijay , Surya , Vikram all have tried nothing worked...

I think Manirathnam should come out with a pretty normal and more sensational real subject... not very serious concepts like KANNATHIL MUTHAMITAL... people wont enjoy it...
From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 16:07:48 2006. [Full View]

Yes...I'd like another Classic Entertainer from him like Thalapathy or Nayagan!

Imagine Thalapathy or Nayagan with his updated teqnical brilliance!

Even Agni Natchathiram!

From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 16:08:53 2006.

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Surya wrote:

Yes...I'd like another Classic Entertainer from him like Thalapathy or Nayagan! Cool

Imagine Thalapathy or Nayagan with his updated teqnical brilliance! Cool

Even Agni Natchathiram! Cool

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 16:24:11 2006. [Full View]

But, he could give critically acclaimed as well as ommercial films then.

What about today?

Tell me one latest bo hit of him in Tamil!
From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 16:29:18 2006. [Full View]

I think it was Bombay or something right?

Kannathil, and Uyire were flops...

He can still give critically acclaimed as well ass commercial films...but he just chooses to take a different route...

Both AE, and Kannathil were a bit off beat...

From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 16:31:25 2006.

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Surya wrote:

I think it was Bombay or something right?

Kannathil, and Uyire were flops... Sad

He can still give critically acclaimed as well ass commercial films...but he just chooses to take a different route...

Both AE, and Kannathil were a bit off beat... Very Happy

AE is offbeat but not never seen before coz there was a movie called PUDHIYA MANNARGAL with Vikram and AR Rehaman's music which was almost similar...

From: Nerd on Fri Nov 17 16:31:33 2006. [Full View]

Lets see:

AE -- Flop
KM -- Colossal flop
AlaipayuthE -- Hit/Average (Avg in B and C)
uyirE, iruvar -- Colossal flops

Of those movies iruvar, kannathil muthamittal were critically acclaimed.
From: MADDY on Fri Nov 17 16:39:16 2006. [Full View]

moreover he stands tall over all others like Sridhar,Balachander,Mahendran,Balu Mahendra,Shankar,Selvaraghavan, Gautam Menon, Bala.....all mani's movies are of different theme........he has done away with terrorist theme too.......this guy has knowledge on varied topics......

one guy, whom i would accept having equal knowledge to Mani on varied topics is Bharathiraja.....he is another master.....

From: MADDY on Fri Nov 17 16:41:03 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

Lets see:

AE -- Flop
KM -- Colossal flop
AlaipayuthE -- Hit/Average (Avg in B and C)
uyirE, iruvar -- Colossal flops

Sad

Of those movies iruvar, kannathil muthamittal were critically acclaimed.

dont worry Nerd, Guru will be to Mani wat Varalaaru was to ARR........genius cannot fail for long......

......

From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 16:41:41 2006. [Full View]

R the songs for Guru out yet?
From: Nerd on Fri Nov 17 16:42:16 2006. [Full View]

Surya wrote:

R the songs for Guru out yet?

Check out the ARR forum. The songs are really good
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 16:44:09 2006. [Full View]

Yeah, it's very unfortunate Mani has not been successful at the BO lately !!!

But he will STRIKE back for sure !!! Not sure abt GURU though ... Abhishek Bachan !!!
From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 16:44:15 2006. [Full View]

oh really? thanks for the info! Gonna check it out now..

From: Nerd on Fri Nov 17 16:45:39 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

Yeah, it's very unfortunate Mani has not been successful at the BO lately !!! Crying or Very sad

But he will STRIKE back for sure !!! Not sure abt GURU though ... Abhishek Bachan !!! Banging Head

Dont worry bay. It will be better than dil se. SRK

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 16:46:23 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Yeah, it's very unfortunate Mani has not been successful at the BO lately !!! Crying or Very sad

But he will STRIKE back for sure !!! Not sure abt GURU though ... Abhishek Bachan !!! Banging Head

Dont worry bay. It will be better than dil se. SRK Banging Head

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 16:49:53 2006. [Full View]

Nerd and bay are great Mr fans!

How did alaipAyudhE go at bo, anyway?
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 16:50:52 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Nerd and bay are great Mr fans!

How did alaipAyudhE go at bo, anyway?

Super Duper HIT !!!! I saw the movie thrice in Devi Paradise itself ... All shows HOUSEFULL !!!
From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 16:51:10 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Nerd and bay are great Mr fans!

How did alaipAyudhE go at bo, anyway?

It was a Solid Hit! A trendsetter too!

A lot of the quality romantic movies have shades of Alaipayuthey in their narration!
From: Nerd on Fri Nov 17 16:51:18 2006. [Full View]

But it was average in B and C
From: MADDY on Fri Nov 17 16:52:30 2006. [Full View]

guys guys.....some great unconfirmed news.......one of my frnds's frnd was a part of Guru crew.......he says this movie has come out like Nayagan ......Abhishek has given a performance as scintillating as Velu Naykkar of Nayagan it seems.......the person who told me this was also a Kamal fan, so i dont think he wud have lied........wow......this is too good to be true.......oh god let Guru become a hit........thirupathikku vandhu motta podaren - simbhu-vukku......
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 16:53:38 2006. [Full View]

I would rate AP is the best of all

Especially the after marriage misunderstandings and frustrations were very well given.

I am sure he has LEARNT a good lesson from sugAshini!

From: Nerd on Fri Nov 17 16:53:53 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

guys guys.....some great unconfirmed news.......one of my frnds's frnd was a part of Guru crew.......he says this movie has come out like Nayagan BlueJump

......Abhishek has given a performance as scintillating as Velu Naykkar of Nayagan it seems.......the person who told me this was also a Kamal fan, so i dont think he wud have lied........wow......this is too good to be true.......oh god let Guru become a hit........thirupathikku vandhu motta podaren - simbhu-vukku...... Laughing

Yeh, after listening to the songs even I thought so. Those songs would be just AWESOME in the movie, I bet

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 16:56:14 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

guys guys.....some great unconfirmed news.......one of my frnds's frnd was a part of Guru crew.......he says this movie has come out like Nayagan BlueJump

Theivmae !!!!

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 16:56:41 2006.

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thamiz wrote:

I would rate AP is the best of all

Especially the after marriage misunderstandings and frustrations were very well given.

I am sure he has LEARNT a good lesson from sugAshini! Very Happy

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 16:58:08 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

thamiz wrote:

Nerd and bay are great Mr fans! Very Happy

How did alaipAyudhE go at bo, anyway? Smile

Super Duper HIT !!!! I saw the movie thrice in Devi Paradise itself ... All shows HOUSEFULL !!!

BlueJump

You sound like "VV fans" but I believe you, bay!

Agni natsaththiram did EXTREMELY well those days. I am sure AP cant stand near by such a success!

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 16:59:11 2006. [Full View]

As far as I know, the first Mani movie that flopped at the BO was IRUVAR ... Follwed by UYIRE ... And the list never ended yet !!!

From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 16:59:48 2006.

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MADDY wrote:

guys guys.....some great unconfirmed news.......one of my frnds's frnd was a part of Guru crew.......he says this movie has come out like Nayagan BlueJump

Yes! I also heard this..but I heard it on Orkut!

I don't see how Ambani's story can be like Nayagan though...

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 17:00:16 2006. [Full View]

there was another movie, thirudA thirudA did badly too.

Guess what, I think maNi should work with super* !
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 17:01:35 2006. [Full View]

there was another movie, thirudA thirudA did badly too.

Guess what, I think maNi should work with super* !
From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 17:01:35 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

As far as I know, the first Mani movie that flopped at the BO was IRUVAR ... Follwed by UYIRE ... And the list never ended yet !!!

wasn't thiruda thiruda a flop? Or was it average?
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:09:39 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

there was another movie, thirudA thirudA did badly too.

Guess what, I think maNi should work with super* !

YES to both points !!!

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:10:05 2006.

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Surya wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

As far as I know, the first Mani movie that flopped at the BO was IRUVAR ... Follwed by UYIRE ... And the list never ended yet !!! Crying or Very sad

wasn't thiruda thiruda a flop? Or was it average? Confused

Super Duper flop of 1993 !!

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 17:10:52 2006. [Full View]

Not many will sleep for another two years if such a proposition works out!
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:12:16 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Not many will sleep for another two years if such a proposition works out!

At times I feel insecure abt Rajini cos he's become old Tamizh ... Plus the new guys have soooo many fans now ... Does any other Thalaivar fan feel my way ??

From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 17:13:02 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

thamiz wrote:

Not many will sleep for another two years if such a proposition works out! Very Happy

At times I feel insecure abt Rajini cos he's become old Tamizh ... Plus the new guys have soooo many fans now ... Does any other Thalaivar fan feel my way ?? Embarassed

From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 17:13:29 2006. [Full View]

Nope, not at all.
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:15:46 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Nope, not at all.

Mani should make one movie each with Vijay, Ajith, and Vikram .... He's already covered Maddy and Surya !!
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 17:16:25 2006. [Full View]

Mani can easily succeed with rajni. No mattter how it comes out, it will be a bo hit !
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 17:17:31 2006. [Full View]

He already wanted to take AE with Ajith in the role of Surya... but herejected as he had lingusamy's JI in hand...

Atlast both ended up as flops

I dont think these fellows should ever takeup a subject of students enetering politics... but can take up the other way --> Professors entering politics...

Thats why Ramana Clicked even though no politics
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:17:36 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Mani can easily succeed with rajni. No mattter how it comes out, it will be a bo hit !

That's obvious !!! Unless it has a HORRIBLE story like BABA !!! Mani can handle any mega-star !!!
From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 17:18:50 2006. [Full View]

If MANIRATNAM directs a film with rajini in lead without commercial stuff like showing Rajini as 30 year old fellow ... with a strong script i think the film should complete 500 days
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 17:19:14 2006. [Full View]

b-m:

Come on! anybody would love to work with maNi. The situation must have been very complicated for Ajith to turn that offer down!

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:19:18 2006.

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bulb_mani wrote:

If MANIRATNAM directs a film with rajini in lead without commercial stuff like showing Rajini as 30 year old fellow ... with a strong script i think the film should complete 500 days Very Happy

From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 17:20:09 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

b-m:

Come on! anybody would love to work with maNi. The situation must have been very complicated for Ajith to turn that offer down!

yes thamiz his callsheets were messed up with SSC

Is Mani planning to come to Tamil At All?
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:20:28 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

b-m:

Come on! anybody would love to work with maNi. The situation must have been very complicated for Ajith to turn that offer down!

I also heard that Vikram was approached to play Maddy's role originally ... And Vikram's condition to Mani was to have VJ and AJ as the other characters ... Vikram was shown the door to the maingate by Mani in 3 mins it seems !!!

From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 17:21:21 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

thamiz wrote:

b-m:

Come on! anybody would love to work with maNi. The situation must have been very complicated for Ajith to turn that offer down!

I also heard that Vikram was approached to play Maddy's role originally ... And Vikram's condition to Mani was to have VJ and AJ as the other characters ... Vikram was shown the door to the maingate by Mani in 3 mins it seems !!! Embarassed

He would have asked for VJ coz they are friends

VJ in the role of INBA would have been nice

From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 17:22:52 2006. [Full View]

bulb_mani wrote:

He would have asked for VJ coz they are friends

VJ in the role of INBA would have been nice

I heard it was Vikram - Maddy, VJ - Surya, and AJ - Siddharth !!

From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 17:24:13 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

bulb_mani wrote:

He would have asked for VJ coz they are friends Laughing

VJ in the role of INBA would have been nice Laughing

I heard it was Vikram - Maddy, VJ - Surya, and AJ - Siddharth !! Not Worthy

AJ was offered only Surya's role... I think that casting would have been Vkram's choice and its not good

From: bulb_mani on Fri Nov 17 17:26:28 2006. [Full View]

Wikipedia Entry on Maniratnam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_Ratnam
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 17:55:57 2006. [Full View]

Did Maddy gain any critical acclaim from that role in AE?

Or it back-fired?

IMHO, that role was srot of crazy and maddy should have turned that down.
From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 18:21:01 2006. [Full View]

Guru songs are Amazing!!

Dhum Dhara Dhum Dhara Mastu Mastu Dhara Dhum Dhara Dhum Dhara Mastu Mastu Dhara Dhum Dhara Dhum Dhum..Dhum Dhum..
From: MADDY on Fri Nov 17 18:24:03 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Did Maddy gain any critical acclaim from that role in AE?

Or it back-fired?

IMHO, that role was srot of crazy and maddy should have turned that down.

maddy along with AE should have turned down couple of other movies as well during that time.....those 3 movies one after another literally put a full stop to Maddy's career.....
From: Surya on Fri Nov 17 18:30:55 2006. [Full View]

which ones maddy?

I thought AE was a good movie for maddy! He showed that he could do more than the cute, choclate hero type of role with AE and Kannathil Muthamittal before that.
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Nov 17 18:31:45 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Did Maddy gain any critical acclaim from that role in AE?

Or it back-fired?

IMHO, that role was srot of crazy and maddy should have turned that down.

Maddy obviously got CRITICAL ACCLAIM !!! It brought out the MAN from inside of him !!! I mean, atleast a digression to that bubbly-chocolate--flamboyant-boy kinda roles .... This was taken to the next level in THAMBI !!!
From: thamiz on Fri Nov 17 19:18:10 2006. [Full View]

I am listening bay.

However imho, after alaipAyudhE his romantic role in priyasakhi was ENJOYABLE to me rather than him being a "tough guy".

He was highly romantic in Prisakhi and his attachment with his family also gave much strength to that role. Of course imo.
From: ranarajan on Fri Nov 17 19:55:17 2006. [Full View]

i hated the movie priyasahki it sucked big time...maddy looked so fat in it.... lol... it was a mismatch... maddy betta get in shape or he is gonna get forgeted ...

From: Movie Cop on Fri Nov 17 20:50:50 2006.

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thamiz wrote:

:

Well, nobody is in the top for ever. His time is over, if you ask me and that is why he retires himself!

yeah, mani is so great in refurbishing BR bandhlu's kaRNan as dalapathy!

Nobody can do that unless you have watched Godfather and add those stuff into badhlu's extract, carefully! Smile

Oh neengal thaan aniyaayathai thati ketkum "Anniyan" uhh?

From: Ulaganayagan on Fri Nov 17 21:07:25 2006.

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Movie Cop wrote:

thamiz wrote:

Oh neengal thaan aniyaayathai thati ketkum "Anniyan" uhh? Laughing

Ippadi ellam kalaicheenganna avaru ''NONSENSE post'' appadinnu sappaya mudichuttu escape ayiduvaru

From: villan007 on Fri Nov 17 21:59:38 2006. [Full View]

Movie Cop wrote:

Oh neengal thaan aniyaayathai thati ketkum "Anniyan" uhh?

wb 'anniyan'
From: thamiz on Mon Nov 20 11:16:42 2006. [Full View]

'cop', 'nAyakan' and a 'villain'!

ennai aaLa vidingakappA.

Anyway, maNirathNa-thin guru eppadi irukkaam?
From: ajithfederer on Mon Nov 20 11:45:24 2006. [Full View]

Vaango......Vaango

thamiz wrote:

'cop', 'nAyakan' and a 'villain'!

ennai aaLa vidingakappA.

Anyway, maNirathNa-thin guru eppadi irukkaam?
From: Aandavan on Mon Nov 20 11:58:55 2006. [Full View]

ajithfederer wrote:

Vaango......Vaango

thamiz wrote:

'cop', 'nAyakan' and a 'villain'!

ennai aaLa vidingakappA.

Anyway, maNirathNa-thin guru eppadi irukkaam?

why are u welcoming a stranger ? as if thamiz is an old hubber...
From: Nerd on Mon Nov 20 12:00:17 2006. [Full View]

thamiz,

I think the release date of Guru the movie is Jan 12 07. Only the songs are out and they are out of the world. Vintage ARR stuff

From: ajithfederer on Mon Nov 20 12:00:56 2006.

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Inta velayatukku naan varaaleengo Yes Sir

Aandavan wrote:

ajithfederer wrote:

Vaango......Vaango Cool

thamiz wrote:

'cop', 'nAyakan' and a 'villain'!

ennai aaLa vidingakappA. Smile

Anyway, maNirathNa-thin guru eppadi irukkaam? Rolling Eyes

why are u welcoming a stranger ? as if thamiz is an old hubber... Cool

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 20 12:04:59 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

thamiz,

I think the release date of Guru the movie is Jan 12 07. Only the songs are out and they are out of the world. Vintage ARR stuff

REALLY? I havent heard them yet! So you definitely would advise I download them ASAP huh ??
From: Nerd on Mon Nov 20 12:09:14 2006. [Full View]

Absolutely bay

Except one song, I can not stop listening to others
From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 20 12:09:51 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Absolutely bay

Except one song, I can not stop listening to others

Wow!
From: great on Mon Nov 20 12:13:11 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Absolutely bay

Except one song, I can not stop listening to others

which song you didnt liked ?

Btwn the movie is releasing in last week of of December

From: Ramakrishna on Mon Nov 20 12:15:58 2006.

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great wrote:

Nerd wrote:

Absolutely bay Thumbs Up!

Except one song, I can not stop listening to others Thumbs Up!

which song you didnt liked ?

Btwn the movie is releasing in last week of of December

I heard it is releasing on Jan 12th. BTW, R u sure it is releasing on the last week of december?

From: Nerd on Mon Nov 20 12:16:48 2006. [Full View]

I did not like the baazi laga song. That song is pretty ordinary when compared to the others. But I read somewhere that the release has been postponed to Jan
From: great on Mon Nov 20 12:21:35 2006. [Full View]

Oh i am not sure about the recent devolpment. Last time when i saw the trailor of guru in sathyam they have mentioned as December release , that was 2/3 weeks back
From: thamiz on Mon Nov 20 13:22:44 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

thamiz,

I think the release date of Guru the movie is Jan 12 07. Only the songs are out and they are out of the world. Vintage ARR stuff

Thanks, nerd!

Only the audio is out??? I thought the movie is out too!

Bay:

what kind of movies you get in iowa ? I guess NONE.

Chicago is the closest for you to watch any big-screen tamil movies I suppose!

Down-loading is the only way for you!

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 20 16:15:56 2006.

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thamiz wrote:

Bay:

what kind of movies you get in iowa ? I guess NONE. Smile

Chicago is the closest for you to watch any big-screen tamil movies I suppose! Sad

Down-loading is the only way for you! Smile

Yupp ... If there is a real NEED for me to watch a Tamil/Hindi movie on the big screen, I might as well go to San Jose !!! Totally worth it ...

From: nickraman on Mon Nov 20 20:03:24 2006. [Full View]

GURU's new release date is 1/12/07

Mani's still working on post-prod. work and finishing touches. He's not resting till no stone is left unturned.

That's our Mani for ya.

And apparently, the reviews for the soundtrack is ranging from Above Average to average. Bappi Lahiri is too blame but you can thank Gulzar's lyrics as a save point.
From: thamiz on Mon Nov 20 20:14:05 2006. [Full View]

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Yupp ... If there is a real NEED for me to watch a Tamil/Hindi movie on the big screen, I might as well go to San Jose !!! Totally worth it ...

oh come on bay! I did not realize that you are that rich to fly to san jose to watch 'shivaji'. Unless your folks are living in San Jose in a million-dollar house, I dont think it is a good idea!

Chicago must be just 6 hours drive for you, I thought!

Anyway, that is your money!

From: m_23_bayarea on Mon Nov 20 20:45:44 2006.

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thamiz wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Yupp ... If there is a real NEED for me to watch a Tamil/Hindi movie on the big screen, I might as well go to San Jose !!! Totally worth it ... Thumbs Up!

oh come on bay! I did not realize that you are that rich to fly to san jose to watch 'shivaji'. Unless your folks are living in San Jose in a million-dollar house, I dont think it is a good idea!

Chicago must be just 6 hours drive for you, I thought!

Anyway, that is your money! Smile

I'm actually planning to fly to INDIA to watch Sivaji ... PADYAPPA was the last Thalaivar euphoria I had in a Madras theatre! Cant wait to see it again !!!

Thamizh, we're talkin abt watching Thalaivar on the big screen the last few times ... It's WORTHLESS spendin any dollar you know !!

Back to Mani, the LEGEND !!

From: Sinthiya on Mon Nov 20 22:57:51 2006. [Full View]

can't wait to see Mani sir's GURU!....
all the best....
From: thamiz on Tue Nov 21 11:13:57 2006. [Full View]

Yeah, bay, we should get back to maNi.

Anyway, as he is not working on in any tamil movies now we can only talk about the oldies.

Something strange about Dalapthy is that he did not bring the "comedy track" he used to have!
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 21 12:25:31 2006. [Full View]

thamiz wrote:

Something strange about Dalapthy is that he did not bring the "comedy track" he used to have!

Those comedy tracks were speed breakers in those movies, makes me yawn everytime I watch them. idhayakOvil, agni natchathiram, idhayathai thirudaathE all had inane comedy tracks. I think those are the only movies

There was no comedy at all in his BEST movies (mouna raagam, naayagan, thaLapathi)

From: ajithfederer on Tue Nov 21 12:32:06 2006.

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bay oru 1000$ thaanga Wink

m_23_bayarea wrote:

thamiz wrote:

m_23_bayarea wrote:

Yupp ... If there is a real NEED for me to watch a Tamil/Hindi movie on the big screen, I might as well go to San Jose !!! Totally worth it ... Thumbs Up!

I'm actually planning to fly to INDIA to watch Sivaji ... PADYAPPA was the last Thalaivar euphoria I had in a Madras theatre! Cant wait to see it again !!!

Not Worthy

Thamizh, we're talkin abt watching Thalaivar on the big screen the last few times ... It's WORTHLESS spendin any dollar you know !! Very Happy

Back to Mani, the LEGEND !! Clap

From: thamiz on Tue Nov 21 13:11:24 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

There was no comedy at all in his BEST movies (mouna raagam, naayagan, thaLapathi)

nerd:

I dont remember naayakan -I believe u r right and I do know dalapathy had none but mouna raagam did have some comedy track with that "north indian" and revathy'a tease such as teaching bad words in Tamil to him, right?
From: Nerd on Tue Nov 21 13:22:06 2006. [Full View]

But at one point that singh becomes mohan's life savior and apparently that incident is one of the reasons that makes rEvathi actually fall for mohan. Brilliantly written by maNi

Also I think pagal nilavu had a comedy track with gouNdamaNi, not sure though.

From: Ramakrishna on Tue Nov 21 13:23:29 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

But at one point that singh becomes mohan's life savior and apparently that incident is one of the reasons that makes rEvathi actually fall for mohan. Brilliantly written by maNi Smile

Also I think pagal nilavu had a comedy track with gouNdamaNi, not sure though.

Yaa it had i guess.

From: thamiz on Tue Nov 21 13:50:24 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

But at one point that singh becomes mohan's life savior and apparently that incident is one of the reasons that makes rEvathi actually fall for mohan. Brilliantly written by maNi Smile

Trues, this comedy track was very well linke dot the main story. I agree!

From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 21 15:52:18 2006.

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Nerd wrote:

thamiz wrote:

Something strange about Dalapthy is that he did not bring the "comedy track" he used to have! Smile

Those comedy tracks were speed breakers in those movies, makes me yawn everytime I watch them.

Sorry for the digression here but couldn't resist... Generally, I really like to see movies w/o any comedy tracks... It's nice to see Gautam Menon going the MR/KH route by making his last 2 movies (VV & KK) without any comedy tracks... I don't mind the idea of the hero or the "central characters" himself doing a bit of comedy like Kamal/Maddy in AS or Vijay in Gilly instead of a seperate comedy track... IMO, having a seperate comedy track like Vadivelu or Vivek not only brings down the qulity of the movie but also acts as a speed breakers to the main script!

List of movies that didn't had a dedicated comedy track that failed at BO (since 2000)...

Hey Ram
Alavandhan
Kannathil Muthamitaal
Anbe Sivam
Boys
Aayudha Ezhuthu
Thavamai Thavamirundhu
Aadhi
Pudhupettai

List of movies that didn't had a dedicated comedy track but still successful at BO (since 2000)

Sethu
Alaipayuthey
Kasi (a hit in B & C stations)
Ramana
Kaakha Kaakha
Kaadhal Kondein
Pithamagan
Virumandi
Gilly
Autograph
Kaadhal
Anniyan
Ghajini
Vettaiyadu Villayadu

So, look at the list of failed movies versus the ones that were successful at BO. It clearly shows if the movie is packaged and presented well to the audience, Tamil movies can become successful at BO even without the help of a separate comedy track from Vadivelu or Vivek!

Back to the topic about the legend, correct me if I'm wrong, MR completely abandoned having seperate comedy tracks starting from his Dhalapathy!

From: thamiz on Tue Nov 21 16:04:56 2006. [Full View]

It is a good digression, cop!
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Nov 21 16:19:10 2006. [Full View]

IF Comedy tracks, just like glamor are part of the plot, then they add value to the screenplay ... Best example would be MINNALE, which is a feel-good lighter subject love-story ... So Vivek's comedy was very vital, and was boosting the entertainment value ...

But if comedy is added just for the heq of it, where there is no connection with the main theme, then that would be redundant ... Subjects like NAYAGAN, THALAPATHY, etc are so intense, that havin a comedy track will look like a JOKE in itself ...

That being said, Mani cant afford to have comedy in his movies, cos of the nature of subjects (mostly unconventional or even documentary-types) where comedy will just NOT fit in ... PERIOD !!
From: m_23_bayarea on Tue Nov 21 16:19:37 2006. [Full View]

ajithfederer wrote:

bay oru 1000$ thaanga

You got it baby!

From: thamiz on Tue Nov 21 17:03:01 2006.

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m_23_bayarea wrote:

That being said, Mani cant afford to have comedy in his movies, cos of the nature of subjects (mostly unconventional or even documentary-types) where comedy will just NOT fit in ... PERIOD !!

Thumbs Up!

Until he comes up with one in the future movies!

From: nickraman on Tue Nov 21 17:08:51 2006. [Full View]

PP was a success, not a flop. It wasn't "Kathal Kondein type hit" just semi-hit. Why? Blame the gangster theme bandwagon.
From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 21 17:12:37 2006. [Full View]

thanks for the compliment thamizh

thamiz wrote:

Until he comes up with one in the future movies!

Not sure I understood the context... Which "one" are u talking about?

Also, talking about comedy tracks, I really enjoyed the comedy track in "Agni Nakshatram"... The scene where Janakaraj gives a fake sentimental send-off to his wife and say "en pondati poiyitta" only to find her standing behind him waiting to take her handbag is a sheer laugh riot... "Lakshmipathy enjoy" VKR/Janakaraj duo had me in splits throughtout the movie... Good job Mani sir
From: thamiz on Tue Nov 21 17:39:06 2006. [Full View]

I don think I agree with the statement "maNi will never come up with a comedy track ever again"! That is what I meant!
From: Movie Cop on Tue Nov 21 17:41:33 2006. [Full View]

Oh ok... thx for the clarification Thamizh...

From: thamiz on Tue Nov 21 20:37:48 2006.

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Movie Cop wrote:

thanks for the compliment thamizh Smile

Also, talking about comedy tracks, I really enjoyed the comedy track in "Agni Nakshatram"... The scene where Janakaraj gives a fake sentimental send-off to his wife and say "en pondati poiyitta" only to find her standing behind him waiting to take her handbag is a sheer laugh riot... Laughing

"Lakshmipathy enjoy" Laughing

VKR/Janakaraj duo had me in splits throughtout the movie... Good job Mani sir Thumbs Up!

I truly agree, 'cop'!

That movie was one of the biggest bo hits for maNi till today!

From: Scale on Wed Nov 22 3:28:27 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Those comedy tracks were speed breakers in those movies, makes me yawn everytime I watch them.

Exactly!
From: Scale on Wed Nov 22 3:30:18 2006. [Full View]

There is a possibility MR will be back to kollywood inspite of Gurus BO status. Lajjo is getting postponed and Aamir is doing Ghajini remake for ARM.
From: selvakumar on Wed Nov 22 4:53:05 2006. [Full View]

Scale wrote:

There is a possibility MR will be back to kollywood inspite of Gurus BO status. Lajjo is getting postponed and Aamir is doing Ghajini remake for ARM.

Anyway, Mani requires considerable amount of time for taking a movie ! I don't think he will utilise the gap for a tamil movie ! Having heard about his health condition time and again through media, he will take enough rest in this gap !
From: thamiz on Wed Nov 22 15:48:46 2006. [Full View]

Money = maNirathnam ???

nice nick!

From: MADDY on Wed Nov 22 22:14:35 2006.

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selvakumar wrote:

Anyway, Money requires considerable amount of time for taking a movie ! I don't think he will utilise the gap for a tamil movie ! Having heard about his health condition time and again through media, he will take enough rest in this gap ! Smile

thats right selva.......i read in one of suhasini's interview that her biggest concern was Mani sir's health.....we dont mind seeing only 5-6 mani movies for rest of our lifetime rather than see him getting over worked....

btw look at this:

http://www.behindcinemas.com/fest-poll/pol-res.aspx

Guru is ahead of Sivapathigaram, Maya Kannadi,Naan Kadavul in the most expected movie of 2007...... Cool

........Mani i guess its time for u come down here and teach some kids a lesson or two..... Evil or Very Mad

From: selvakumar on Wed Nov 22 23:13:23 2006. [Full View]

thamiz Thanks for the correction though
From: selvakumar on Wed Dec 27 8:59:54 2006. [Full View]

http://sugunadiwakar.blogspot.com/2006/12/blog-post_27.html
From: MADDY on Wed Dec 27 10:12:22 2006. [Full View]

selvakumar wrote:

http://sugunadiwakar.blogspot.com/2006/12/blog-post_27.html

sorry for posting a totally irrelevant reply to this topic....had some fonts problem and mistook it for some other issue.....

selva, lets wait what Guru is all about....
From: ajaybaskar on Wed Dec 27 10:24:10 2006. [Full View]

I think the result of Guru wud have an impact on this issue.
From: kannannn on Thu Dec 28 8:08:46 2006. [Full View]

selvakumar wrote:

http://sugunadiwakar.blogspot.com/2006/12/blog-post_27.html

Looks like the author knows neither about Manirathnam's movies nor the sources he refers to.

From: selvakumar on Thu Dec 28 9:05:27 2006.

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kannannn wrote:

selvakumar wrote:

http://sugunadiwakar.blogspot.com/2006/12/blog-post_27.html

Embarassed

Looks like the author knows neither about Manirathnam's movies nor the sources he refers to.

I donno. but thot it was pretty rude on Mani

BTW, I have not seen the other movies that he had mentioned.
But his prediction that GURU will be a copy of so and so film is

Anyway, that just was one of the reasons to revive Mani thread since GURU is releasing

From: thimuru on Thu Dec 28 9:51:04 2006. [Full View]

selvakumar wrote:

http://sugunadiwakar.blogspot.com/2006/12/blog-post_27.html

that guy is one "arai vekkaadu" or sure!

roja - kamba ramayanam....whats the relation other han kadathal....funny article!

i dont think he has seen hotel rwanda

hotel rwanda came in 2004 ...bombay in 1995
ayudha ezhuthu from amores perros actually

then nayagan kamal scrapping his head...and they equate he copied marlon brando...

who watched nayagan and godfather would know kamal is more fast and angry man in his old age also...where marlon brando is too slow and composed!

there may be some moments ..but kamals projection of charecter is completely different!

the author says only anjali is good ..but thats a very bad movie with some artificial direction of children!

his good movies are

iruvar
bombay(good attempt)
mouna ragam
From: smith on Fri Dec 29 2:17:13 2006. [Full View]

Mani will surely be back in kollywood after guru bombs.

After all it has abhishek in it.

From: MADDY on Tue Jan 9 0:47:43 2007.

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thimuru wrote:

selvakumar wrote:

http://sugunadiwakar.blogspot.com/2006/12/blog-post_27.html

Embarassed

that guy is one "arai vekkaadu" or sure!

roja - kamba ramayanam....whats the relation other han kadathal....funny article!

i dont think he has seen hotel rwanda

hotel rwanda came in 2004 ...bombay in 1995 Laughing

ayudha ezhuthu from amores perros actually

the author says only anjali is good ..but thats a very bad movie with some artificial direction of children!

guys guys, i talked to the author of this blog.....

......he couldnt even understand english or my english....

......i told him politely what he wrote was wrong, they were all false facts.....i told him, that before writing abt Maniratnam, u shuld get ur facts rite.....i asked him " engairundhu indha info-vellam collect panneenga"??? He replied -> "ellame pathhirikkai-la padichadhu dhaan"

he was shocked to get a call for his blog...

.....he told he will edit that post also...

From: thimuru on Tue Jan 9 0:53:03 2007. [Full View]

from pathirikkai?

then why did he become so hot about mani?..as though he had spend some dollars and got the original DVD s of those movies and found they were copied!...aarvakolaraku oru ellai undu!

anyway...MADDY... for yur effort
From: MADDY on Tue Jan 9 15:50:41 2007. [Full View]

thimuru wrote:

anyway...MADDY... for yur effort

anything for Mani and ARR

actually, theres a whole gang of ppl. in TN who dont like KB,MR........my relatives are also amongst them.... .....i constantly fight with them abt mani...

From: joe on Fri Jan 12 2:14:38 2007.

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thimuru wrote:

joe wrote:

thimuru wrote:

but I know u dont like Laughing

j/k

Puriyalla (am I a tube light?) Embarassed

indha vishayamlam enaku theriyadhu!

i meant that u dont like maniratnam(like us)

I can't say I don't like mani rathnam ..But surely I don't accept arguements like Mani is the greatest director ot saviour of Tamil cinema.For me he is a good director ,not genius as potrayed by many.

From: NOV on Fri Jan 12 4:36:28 2007. [Full View]

I watched Iruvar again yesterday. What a great movie! Excellent photography, excellent songs & picturisation, amazing bgm, very good acting by all including newcomer Aiswariya Rai.

I wish they'd rerelease the movie as audience' taste and acceptability has changed over the last 10 years.

Certain things that can be improved are the screenplay which seems a little patchy and the lengthy ending.

Overall, an excellent film by Maniratnam.

Next, I know that Mani began the film saying that the film has nothing to do with the real world , but it would be fun to match character with the Real world.
Others more knowledgeable, pls help me to fill up/edit...

Mohanlal @ Aanandhan = MGR
Prakashraj @ Thamizhselvam = Karunanidhi
Nassar = Anna
Aiswariya Rai 1 = MGR's first wife
Gauthami @ Janaki = MGR's 2nd wife
Aiswariya 2 @ Kalpana = Jayalalitha
Revathy = Karunanidhi's wife
Tabu = Karunanidhi's companion

Rajesh ?
Major Sundrarajan @ IGP =

Who acts as Periyar?
From: nerdy on Fri Jan 12 4:57:01 2007. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

Rajesh ?
Major Sundrarajan @ IGP =

Who acts as Periyar?

Rajesh is - Navalar Neduncheizian

Delhi Ganesh is R.M Veerappan

From: thimuru on Fri Jan 12 5:14:01 2007.

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NOV wrote:

I watched Iruvar again yesterday. What a great movie! Excellent photography, excellent songs & picturisation, amazing bgm, very good acting by all including newcomer Aiswariya Rai.

I wish they'd rerelease the movie as audience' taste and acceptability has changed over the last 10 years.

Certain things that can be improved are the screenplay which seems a little patchy and the lengthy ending.

Overall, an excellent film by Maniratnam. Thumbs Up!

Next, I know that Mani began the film saying that the film has nothing to do with the real world Rolling Eyes

, but it would be fun to match character with the Real world.
Others more knowledgeable, pls help me to fill up/edit...

Mohanlal @ Aanandhan = MGR
Prakashraj @ Thamizhselvam = Karunanidhi
Nassar = Anna
Aiswariya Rai 1 = MGR's first wife
Gauthami @ Janaki = MGR's 2nd wife
Aiswariya 2 @ Kalpana = Jayalalitha
Revathy = Karunanidhi's wife
Tabu = Karunanidhi's companion

Rajesh ?
Major Sundrarajan @ IGP =

Who acts as Periyar?

NO PERIYAR CHARECTER IN THE MOVIE!

They call prakashraj as "kavingar" in the movie which matches with "kalaingar"

rajesh - neduncheLian

tabu -second wife..rather than companion(right?)

From: Rajkumar_mj on Fri Jan 12 5:28:03 2007. [Full View]

Revathi - Dhayalu Ammal(Manaivi)

Tabu - Rajathi ammal (Thunaivi)
From: thimuru on Fri Jan 12 5:43:54 2007. [Full View]

Rajkumar_mj wrote:

Revathi - Dhayalu Ammal(Manaivi)

Tabu - Rajathi ammal (Thunaivi)

okok...do kalaingar call them in this way in interviews?
From: thimuru on Fri Jan 12 5:47:10 2007. [Full View]

i think kalaingar never uses "manaivi" word...he uses only thunaivi..

calling manaivi is indirectly male dominance

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