KAMALHASAN'S NEW FILM:VETTAI AADU VILAYADU (Part 3)

Kolly and Thiru anna,
It was me who said that "Kamalini" looks like an aunty ! ROTFL

Kolly sported one of her pictures as avatar which no one couldn't figure out !I have that copy even ! Laughing

BTW, Thiru anna ! Evil or Very Mad

Thalaivi ya poi ippo auntynnu solliteenga.. ungalukku ennudaya saabam ! Twisted Evil

Athaanae, TM eppavum thapaa solla maataanae

Selva,
Thalaiviya aunt nnu sonnaen. aana enakilla. Enna uncle nnu sollravangalukku

From: selvakumar on Fri Sep 1 12:38:15 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

Athaanae, TM eppavum thapaa solla maataanae
Selva,
Thalaiviya aunt nnu sonnaen. aana enakilla. Enna uncle nnu sollravangalukku

ungala yaar uncle nnu koopitta
BTW, Have you seen VV ? Tomorrow I am going to see it for the third time (along with sakala and cinefan). It depends on my work as well. I am trying to finish it up !

Karka Karka song is mind-blowing ! and I am going to see that for the third time just for the song alone !
From: Thirumaran on Fri Sep 1 12:42:04 2006. [Full View]

I am seeing it tomorrow Selva. another 23 hours to go.
From: selvakumar on Fri Sep 1 12:48:01 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

I am seeing it tomorrow Selva. another 23 hours to go.

Have a great time watching it anna !

From: Kollywoodfan on Fri Sep 1 12:53:42 2006.

Kolly and Thiru anna,
It was me who said that "Kamalini" looks like an aunty ! ROTFL

Kolly sported one of her pictures as avatar which no one couldn't figure out !
I have that copy even ! Laughing

BTW, Thiru anna ! Evil or Very Mad

Thalaivi ya poi ippo auntynnu solliteenga.. ungalukku ennudaya saabam ! Twisted Evil

no I think TM said it too once...maybe not...but yeah Selva, after VV, does she still seem aunty like...what do u mean no one could figure out...she was dressed in a beautiful churidar sitting on a bench

You have that copy

From: Kollywoodfan on Fri Sep 1 12:54:11 2006.

Thirumaran wrote:

Kolly and Thiru anna,
It was me who said that "Kamalini" looks like an aunty ! ROTFL

Kolly sported one of her pictures as avatar which no one couldn't figure out !I have that copy even ! Laughing

BTW, Thiru anna ! Evil or Very Mad

Thalaivi ya poi ippo auntynnu solliteenga.. ungalukku ennudaya saabam ! Twisted Evil

Athaanae, TM eppavum thapaa solla maataanae Rolling Eyes

Selva,
Thalaiviya aunt nnu sonnaen. aana enakilla. Enna uncle nnu sollravangalukku Embarassed

This is too much...Only in your dreams

From: Thirumaran on Fri Sep 1 12:58:13 2006. [Full View]

Kollywoodfan wrote:

This is too much...Only in your dreams

kanavula kooda nadakka maatuthu
From: Alien on Fri Sep 1 13:35:52 2006. [Full View]

Kamal Haasan is brilliant in Vettaiyadu Vilaiyadu

Reads rediff review ! As with any other review for VV(A Kamal film) this review is also getting itz b*tts off to find loopholes and reasons why shouldn't it do well in silver screens ! Nevertheless the review is quite good !

http://ia.rediff.com/movies/2006/sep/01vv.htm

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Hi Grish! Nice to see u here .. been a loong time since I talked with u !

BTW that AV reviews nowadays are crappy and irrational , goes without saying .(Virumaandi 48 is the best ex:- ).... But I see selvaraghavan is still being prejudiced against! The link posted by poornima gives an excellent review of PP ! .. If a crap like Anniyan gets 48() then PP deserves 70 + ! .. even in classical AV style, I feel PP deserves 45+ arnd 50 ! ...
Anyway, bottomline is AV review is some inconsistent, irrational crap! that needs not be given any significance!
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From: Girish11 on Fri Sep 1 13:58:40 2006.

Kamal Haasan is brilliant in Vettaiyadu Vilaiyadu

Reads rediff review ! As with any other review for VV(A Kamal film) this review is also getting itz b*tts off to find loopholes and reasons why shouldn't it do well in silver screens ! Nevertheless the review is quite good !

http://ia.rediff.com/movies/2006/sep/01vv.htm

<dig>
Hi Grish! Nice to see u here Smile

Alien wrote:

.. been a loong time since I talked with u !

BTW that AV reviews nowadays are crappy and irrational , goes without saying .(Virumaandi 48 is the best ex:- ).... But I see selvaraghavan is still being prejudiced against! The link posted by poornima gives an excellent review of PP ! .. If a crap like Anniyan gets 48( Banging Head

) then PP deserves 70 + ! .. even in classical AV style, I feel PP deserves 45+ arnd 50 ! ...
Anyway, bottomline is AV review is some inconsistent, irrational crap! that needs not be given any significance!
</dig>

Hi Alien, nice to see you too in under new Id. Great avatar Vas.
Still in Aus? Seen VV?

From: leosimha on Fri Sep 1 14:03:35 2006.

Kolly and Thiru anna,
It was me who said that "Kamalini" looks like an aunty ! ROTFL

Kolly sported one of her pictures as avatar which no one couldn't figure out !
I have that copy even ! Laughing

BTW, Thiru anna ! Evil or Very Mad

Thalaivi ya poi ippo auntynnu solliteenga.. ungalukku ennudaya saabam ! Twisted Evil

selva,
who is the thalaivi......are you talking about the avatar of kollywoodfan........is she nayantara.............who is she in that avatar of kollywoodfan...............

From: Aalavanthan on Fri Sep 1 14:33:42 2006.

Aalavanthan,
didn't you read this news? Asin and Mallika on the same plate ROTFL

"Hottest"
BTW, Atleast the editor should have chosen some normal Mallika picture for that article instead of proving his comedy ! Laughing

Writer-oda Pondaatti andha aala thitti iruppa, adhaan andha aalu Hottest figuresnu avan pondaatiya thavira oorla irukkira pombalaigala izhuthu vitturukkaan.

BTW; check out guys, a real awaited review if I may say... Gautam & VV at 10:30 am on Sunday with Madhan's on Vijay TV.. Hope Gautam explores his marketing and reveals the Opening BO here as I saw somewhere(maybe orkut) that he would start this on Sunday

Cheers

From: Kollywoodfan on Fri Sep 1 15:32:44 2006.

leosimha wrote:

Kolly and Thiru anna,
It was me who said that "Kamalini" looks like an aunty ! ROTFL

Kolly sported one of her pictures as avatar which no one couldn't figure out !
I have that copy even ! Laughing

BTW, Thiru anna ! Evil or Very Mad

Thalaivi ya poi ippo auntynnu solliteenga.. ungalukku ennudaya saabam ! Twisted Evil

selva,
who is the thalaivi......are you talking about the avatar of kollywoodfan........is she nayantara.............who is she in that avatar of kollywoodfan...............

They were referring to Kamalini from VV. Yes, it is Nayan in my avatar!

From: kumarsr on Fri Sep 1 20:52:29 2006. [Full View]

I dunno whether it's just me - but I find,in general,the reviews to be fairly consistent. Most of them say that the movie is good. Most of them say that Kamal is very good.And most of them state a few common negatives:

- an overdose of violence possibly influencing the family audience
- too much English and hollywoodlike and perhaps a little less nativity
- strong resemblance to Kaakha Kaakha both in the story and some common actors in both in similar roles
- second half a little long(Kamal-Jo) compared to the pace in the first half
- Harris background music too loud and not good
- vilians juvenile-like compared to the strong and cerebral Raghavan.

I don't see anything wrong with this and being Kamal fans we expect an interesting movie from Kamal everytime and especially one that arrives after a gap of a year and a half. Fans hold him to a higher standard and perhaps so do the reviewers.

I am sure some of the negatives would have been ignored if it had been a film by someone else. There are certainly actors older to Kamal and some that are younger in age but look older than Kamal on screen. No reviewer would stress that the hero in this film is a "middle-aged" character if it had been some other hero. To my knowledge, no one suggested that Rajni plays a "middle-aged" doctor who falls for a younger girl in his last movie (not to start a comparison war with any other actor - but just a rational observation). All said and done, the above negatives are OK - it comes down to higher standards.

IMO, Kamal will do well to make films with the Gautams, Sarans, Vishnuwardhans, Cherans, Amirs and Manirathnams of the field compared to a closed circle of KSR, Singeetham and Crazy - not that their movies are bad but it will help to explore other talent and different treatment, presentation etc. And defintely not bad for the actor to take a back seat to the director once in a while. The results speak for themselves!

From: Cinefan on Sat Sep 2 1:01:31 2006.

I dunno whether it's just me - but I find,in general,the reviews to be fairly consistent. Most of them say that the movie is good. Most of them say that Kamal is very good.And most of them state a few common negatives:

- an overdose of violence possibly influencing the family audience
- too much English and hollywoodlike and perhaps a little less nativity
- strong resemblance to Kaakha Kaakha both in the story and some common actors in both in similar roles
- second half a little long(Kamal-Jo) compared to the pace in the first half
- Harris background music too loud and not good
- vilians juvenile-like compared to the strong and cerebral Raghavan.

I don't see anything wrong with this and being Kamal fans we expect an interesting movie from Kamal everytime and especially one that arrives after a gap of a year and a half. Fans hold him to a higher standard and perhaps so do the reviewers.

I am sure some of the negatives would have been ignored if it had been a film by someone else. There are certainly actors older to Kamal and some that are younger in age but look older than Kamal on screen. No reviewer would stress that the hero in this film is a "middle-aged" character if it had been some other hero. To my knowledge, no one suggested that Rajni plays a "middle-aged" doctor who falls for a younger girl in his last movie (not to start a comparison war with any other actor - but just a rational observation). All said and done, the above negatives are OK - it comes down to higher standards.

IMO, Kamal will do well to make films with the Gautams, Sarans, Vishnuwardhans, Cherans, Amirs and Manirathnams of the field compared to a closed circle of KSR, Singeetham and Crazy - not that their movies are bad but it will help to explore other talent and different treatment, presentation etc. And defintely not bad for the actor to take a back seat to the director once in a while. The results speak for themselves!

kumarsr wrote:

Completely agree with you on most aspects.Infact quite a few Kamal fans themselves felt the screentime given to Kamal-Jo was not required&the film had quite a few holes in the screenplay.

But the one grouse we have with the media is that when he makes a great film they give it good reviews but also add that such films won't do well at the BO.And when he makes a commercial film they scan it under a microscope&don't go ga-ga when it smashes the BO

also agree that after a long time he 'acted'under a new age director&he is getting not only great reviews but even his detractors&fans of other actors(who hated him earlier)have good words to say.

Msg to him-Do more movies outside the gang .

Doesn't mean I am not looking forward to 10A

Are you the same Kumar(in Aus)who had the 'Virumaandi'shot in the 'Avathaar'?

From: alwarpet_andavan on Sat Sep 2 2:26:34 2006. [Full View]

kumarsr wrote:

- second half a little long(Kamal-Jo) compared to the pace in the first half

Actually its the first half which lacks pace [after the introduction of ArOdhana(i)]....
From: RATHEESHAJITH on Sat Sep 2 2:37:53 2006. [Full View]

VETTAIYADU VILAYAADU IS A BIG HIT

LEGEND KALAKKITTAAR

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/24958.html
From: Cinefan on Sat Sep 2 2:51:33 2006. [Full View]

After a week of reading only reviews/opinions on the web,am getting the opportunity to see the movie today.Let's see what i feel about it.Anyway,so much info about it has gone into my head that it's difficult to see the movie with an open mind.Still will try to leave out any prejudices.

sakala just called&confirmed his presence.selva is doubtful,says he will confirm by 6.

7 1/2 hours to go.
From: alwarpet_andavan on Sat Sep 2 3:01:55 2006. [Full View]

Cinefan wrote:

selva is doubtful,says he will confirm by 6.

I don't want any last minute excuses. This is totally irresponsible!
From: Cinefan on Sat Sep 2 3:05:20 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Cinefan wrote:

selva is doubtful,says he will confirm by 6.

I don't want any last minute excuses. This is totally irresponsible!

Will convey the same to him.

infact he just sent a msg that 99% he will make it but will confirm by 4.
From: alwarpet_andavan on Sat Sep 2 3:08:59 2006. [Full View]

Watched VV @ Kasi last evening with genius Karthikeyan, Rajkumar_mj and others. Bought tickets in black for double the rate.
Missed the intro and "Karka Karka" song
From: Cinefan on Sat Sep 2 3:11:41 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Watched VV @ Kasi last evening with genius Karthikeyan, Rajkumar_mj and others. Bought tickets in black for double the rate.
Missed the intro and "Karka Karka" song

4th time-a???

Can we now say that the opening is being sustained?

Any reports from other centres?
From: alwarpet_andavan on Sat Sep 2 3:16:45 2006. [Full View]

Cinefan wrote:

4th time-a???

Can we now say that the opening is being sustained?

Any reports from other centres?

Yeah.
Doing well in most theatres in Chennai/NSC.
Melody-la as expected "show vittukuchu", ie, 2 days back evening show was not houseful.
They haven't lowered the ticket price [even in suburbs] and its been screened in 2-3 theatres in close proximity to each other. So its normal that it wont be houseful in a few theatres...
From: great on Sat Sep 2 3:31:04 2006. [Full View]

VV download links are available in few sites
From: selvakumar on Sat Sep 2 3:40:14 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Cinefan wrote:

selva is doubtful,says he will confirm by 6.

I don't want any last minute excuses. This is totally irresponsible!

A_A, Even I hate last minute excuses. But I am helpless in this case since all the big wigs are here (on saturday) So, I am gonna escape like anything. Plus Poornima is a special theatre for me Have seen considerable number of movies there after moving from chennai to Bangalore !
From: selvakumar on Sat Sep 2 7:29:39 2006. [Full View]

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/sep-06-01/02-09-06-kamal.html

VV pouring profits and losing producer Sep 02, 2006

It may sound a little surprising even to the producer Manickam Narayanan. But it is an astonishing fact that Vettaiyadu Vilayadu is turning to be a huge success. Narayanan is elated with the kind of collections Vettaiyadu Vilayadu has managed to make in the first week of its release, but is that just enough?

Narayanan decided to take up the movie after it ended up in cans with issues related to finance. He states that he wanted to save Khaja Moideen from his financial crisis and that he felt the movie has substance in it and a good movie should not be abandoned. With Narayanan’s taking over, the crew traveled to US on October 24 of 2005 for the shoots.

That was just the beginning of the trouble. When the movie is all set for a release, Khaja demanded a settlement for the movie, which he no longer owned.

If that was not enough, he received pressure from other sources for the release of Vijayakanth starrer Perarasu before the release of VV, which eventually made him incur huge losses.

Trouble brewed for 10 months before the movie finally hit the screens. Funnily enough, Narayanan had to hire a standby lawyer to prevent anyone from obtaining a stay order for the movie’s release. Narayanan says that he had no hopes for the movie before its release. He feels that he will not get his investment back for the kind of money he has spent for the release of the movie is way beyond the limits. His only comfort factor about the movie is the cooperation he received from the technicians and the artists.

After all the troubles VV had to endure before its release, hardly anyone sustained any expectations about the release of the movie as it happens with movies under production for a long time. VV managed to attract crowds to halls with the sheer magic of the fast paced screenplay, the star cast and obviously direction.

VV’s success can well be attributed to the ‘word of mouth’ phenomenon. While the media reviews suggested a mixed platter, VV managed to pick up collections merely with the public’s opinion. It is also another instance to substantiate the acting prowess of a versatile artist named Kamal.

Every one who belonged to the crew of VV seems to be in high spirits after the upbeat collection reports. It is bash time finally for them after a terrible phase. Narayanan, we sincerely hope will let out a sigh of relief with the success.
From: Kollywoodfan on Sat Sep 2 11:35:07 2006. [Full View]

great wrote:

VV download links are available in few sites

People have started uploading it on youtube already...but the copy sucks. VV is a movie meant to be seen in the theatres especially.
From: RajaRam on Sat Sep 2 12:25:48 2006. [Full View]

Last thursday I went to chennai for my relative's marriage.

after attending function,I went to satyam to see VV(2nd time).
Ticket rate is 100 and 80. But they told that till sunday all shows were full.

Then I went to Abirami .but show is full( Ticket rate is 90 and 70).

Finally I went to albert(ticket rate is 100 and 80)and got ticket.theatre was not full.

Here what I want to tell is

1)The distance between Satyam,Melody,Abirami and Albert is just 2 kms.

2)The ticket rate is un beleivable and also it was weekday.

Really The movie is doing un imaginable business.....

In Bangalore innovative
Today all shows are full. there was crowd as much as equal to Munnabhai 2.

From: seagull on Sat Sep 2 16:33:58 2006.

Kollywoodfan wrote:

People have started uploading it on youtube already...but the copy sucks. VV is a movie meant to be seen in the theatres especially. Very Happy

VV download links are available in few sites Banging Head

Hi can you post the link here ?

From: Kollywoodfan on Sat Sep 2 16:55:30 2006. [Full View]

You have some guts! Just kidding!...

Just go to youtube.com and search Vettiyadu Vilayadu.
From: kannannn on Sat Sep 2 18:27:44 2006. [Full View]

Finally caught VV on the big screen. If Gautham made a checklist of the main points of the movie it must have been something like this:
KAMAL - check
Brutally slain corpses - check
Villains - check
Ravi Varman - check
HJ - check
NY - check
Jyotika - check
If he had given a rational thought to the list, this is what his mind would have told him - 'What is Jyothika doing there in the list? uncheck, uncheck..'. But it looks like either Gautham didn't give a rational thought or chose to ignore it.

The opening sequences were brilliant, laying the ground work for a gripping crime thriller. (Kamal's watch even corresponds with the time shown on the screen ) Surprisingly, HJ too is impressive in these sequences, using ghatam bits (it sounded so) for the background score. The screenplay follows the basic requirements for a thriller as Michael Haneke put it - get into a scene as late as possible and leave as early as possible. But once Jyothika enters the movie, everything changes. What is she doing there? Why so much attention to their romance? Gautham should have saved the blossoming of middle-age love for another day - for another movie. He tries to squeeze in two aspects of Kamal's life here, and barely manages to keep us interested in the 'Vettaiyadu' part. So much so that I was trying to restrain myself from reading my newspaper when 'Uyirile' song was playing on the screen (I didn't care if the light was dim). An intersting aspect of serial killer movies is that the director can probe the psyche of the serial killers effectively. All that is lost here, just because the director thinks it hinders the love aspect.

And why NY? The murders and investigations could have been equally effective in Bombay or Delhi. I have a doubt that Gautham included the NY part just to place Kamal and Jyotika in a foreign environment, among strangers, so that they could come closer.

And coming to think of it, where is the intelligence and brain work in the investigations? With the information the police had, anyone could have found the identity of the killers.

But the movie still works - how? Because Gatutham got the first item on his checklist right.
From: rachel on Sat Sep 2 18:49:03 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

"I hate violence against women even if its not in my jurisdiction!" - Thalaivaa, enna oru dialogue delivery!
From: kannannn on Sat Sep 2 19:04:57 2006. [Full View]

Another point I missed: why were the expletives muted? If a movie is certified 'A', how does it matter if the characters swear or are nice to each other. Dissapointingly, even the theater here muted the swear words. The movie is rated '15' and what more expletives can we expect than Hollywood movies of the same category?
From: Thirumaran on Sat Sep 2 23:36:10 2006. [Full View]

At last i could see a movie in US. I meant in theatre. If it would not have
been a Kamal movie probably i could have never seen in another 6 months.

While speaking with some people i came to know that,
normally in this theatre they very rarely show Tamil movie. Last time they had
screened Boys movie and it witnessed hardly 20 person and the person who arranged
that show underwent a big loss.

When i was there today i could see around 30 to 40 people. I thought there may not be
much crowd. But the show was full.

Though there were some negative reviews i knew, the movie will not be a disappointment for me.

After 1990 Kamal movies rarely disappoints. The same with this movie.

There is no need to tell abt Kamal's performance.
Even in a bad movie like Maharasan we can feel Kamal's presence felt.

Same here. Kamal's presence felt from the very first scene..

After a bit lengthy conversation with the local dada....

"Poangappa neenga ellaam vera vaelaya paathutu Poanga". Followed by Karka Karka song..

The stage was set there. From that scene till the reaction he shows when Amudan tells he burried
Jyothika followed by terrific climax, Kamal is a treat to watch.

One more which i wonder abd Kamal is the onscreen chemistry he has with his heroines.
Be it a lovable husband to Kamalinee or Starting with a friendship which develops into a matured love along with
jothika, Kamal is unmatchable...

Kudos to Jyothika. Very matured acting.

Kamalinee, prakashraj though comes for few scenes did their job very well..

The medical student Amudan was brilliant..

HJ

Camera work is ono more plus point for the movie.

Last but not the least the captain of the ship, Gautham very well handled the movie and their stars..

Though the movie was 3 hrs except for few moments the movie goes in a fast pace..

Negatives..

The movie could have easily come to an end in Newyork when they find 4 bodies. In that place it was very illogical
and stupidity to keep just 2 policemen. The way they escape from Mumbai Airport. It was not a big gang who does these
serial killings. Just 2. These are the only times the movie falters. These are quite minimal which wont affect
the film i believe.

And the song Nerupae, which was totally not needed(It is what my brain says. My eyes was and heart were enjoying that song though) .

I could see several people going for a break during Manjal veyyil song, but there was no movement from anyone during Nerupae song.. Long live Indian films viewers..

VV -- Vetriyum Virudugalum nicayam..
From: Sanjeevi on Sun Sep 3 1:47:00 2006. [Full View]

Just watched the programme called Mathan's Thiraiparvai in Vijay TV and its really nice. Gautham expressed that he is the big fan of Kamal and hence he has shot the first 10 mins especially the karka karka introduction song.
From: MADDY on Sun Sep 3 1:49:20 2006. [Full View]

V V at No.1 in suntv movies countdown......

also, just saw Gautam Menon's interview in Vijay TV with Madan....tell u wat he seemed like a very proud man......he was arrogant in some places.......maybe over confident abt himself and his product......he told madan "i challenge that V V is the best movie in recent times with its gr8 editing, action sequences, music , feel of movie, i dont think anybody can make a movie like this".......i dunno but maniratnam has never talked like this, Shankar has never told this......i know ppl. will laugh at me and try to defend gautam but i felt he talked a bit too much......this is all IMO......

yes brickbats, i'm ready.....
From: villan007 on Sun Sep 3 1:53:28 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

music

music - best-a ?

I felt the BGM was very ordinary

From: great on Sun Sep 3 1:55:47 2006.

he was arrogant in some places.......maybe over confident abt himself and his product......he told madan "i challenge that V V is the best movie in recent times with its gr8 editing, action sequences, music Laughing

Never he has not pinpointed about the music at that juncture . He did mentioned about the technical value the feel of the movie . He mentioned about the recent times not from the time when the movie started.

i dunno but maniratnam has never talked like this, Shankar has never told this......i know ppl.

Who is shankar ?? Except for 2 movie all his movies are crap .

From: MADDY on Sun Sep 3 3:46:44 2006.

oh yeah, he did mention abt the music......gr8, i might be dumb but not deaf.....

Who is shankar ?? Except for 2 movie all his movies are crap .

can i say the same abt Gautam, if u r not considering Minnale as a gr8 movie........

From: Unicorn on Sun Sep 3 4:38:01 2006. [Full View]

MADDY wrote:

great wrote:

Who is shankar ?? Except for 2 movie all his movies are crap .

can i say the same abt Gautam, if u r not considering Minnale as a gr8 movie........

Is this intentional or unintentional comedy
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Sun Sep 3 6:51:11 2006. [Full View]

VV Record is some thing geat bcos
* no family\ladies audience involved in this success. its only youth
* THere was very less or no publicity
* Chennai theatres are in close proximity
* movie won inspite of some ardent kamal fans not satisified 100%

inspite of this the movie won and broke the earlier records
* no of theatres in bangalore is amazing
* having a good\decent run in abroad too

initially i was bit doubtful on its success. it seems no one can predict the fate of a kamal movie, only way to knoe that is to wait and see.

From: alwarpet_andavan on Sun Sep 3 8:15:13 2006.

But once Jyothika enters the movie, everything changes. What is she doing there? Why so much attention to their romance? Gautham should have saved the blossoming of middle-age love for another day - for another movie. He tries to squeeze in two aspects of Kamal's life here, and barely manages to keep us interested in the 'Vettaiyadu' part. hat the director can probe the psyche of the serial killers effectively. All that is lost here, just because the director thinks it hinders the love aspect.

EXACTLY!!

But the movie still works - how? Because Gatutham got the first item on his checklist right.

Spot on!

From: alwarpet_andavan on Sun Sep 3 8:22:54 2006. [Full View]

Maddy,
Gautam parenthetically added that "I'm not talking about the script/story or direction"(something like that)..." That is for you to tell me.. but in recent times, yaarum ippadi oru padam technically, the way its been shot and with this kind of music..." (i liked the BGM but G sonnadhu indha vishyathla IMO remba over ) "... "

And i think he also said something about the genre being new to TFM...
From: alwarpet_andavan on Sun Sep 3 8:32:27 2006. [Full View]

Madhan manasula enna periya Roger Ebert, Barry Norman nu nenappa???
I've seen him say positive things about even Sibi movies and the likes. Ella director kitteyum konjam vazhiyuvaaru...
Aana in today's program every question of his had a negative intonation and he didn't say a word about Aandavar's performance.
I mean criticizing VV is fine (as would be evident from my posts on the movie) but when you are a so-called critic (what he knows better about films or acting than we people is a diff question), you need to be consistent.
Ellam neram
Gautham was very candid in the interview

P.S: ..... And G mentioned about him getting calls from rasigar mandram appreciating the intro given to Thalaivar. It was our Dubai Ananth who has been in touch with him even during the making and who called him first after the movie. Glad to know Gautham's feedback on our feedback!
From: alwarpet_andavan on Sun Sep 3 9:36:05 2006. [Full View]

The pic shows the "cuttings" left on the floor by us Paradise Unit fans after the evening show @ Kasi on Friday

[Paavam mun row la ukkarndha family!]

http://i8.tinypic.com/280nw4h.jpg

Thanks for the pic genius enappadum Karthikeyan!
From: great on Sun Sep 3 9:39:34 2006. [Full View]

Just back from Noon show , Melody.

Except for the Jo romance movie was amazing

Jo romance i meant it hindered the speed

Intro was
From: kannannn on Sun Sep 3 10:21:46 2006. [Full View]

Thirumaran wrote:

And the song Nerupae, which was totally not needed(It is what my brain says. My eyes was and heart were enjoying that song though) .

I wonder what the need is, to include an item number in every tamil movie. Can an item number save a movie from disaster? Experience says it cant. But still our movie makers prefer to add one, God knows for what.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar wrote:

* having a good\decent run in abroad too

The theater hall was half full for the afternoon show here yesterday. I think it can comfortably sustain its run for another week .

great wrote:

Intro was

Exactly. I can forgive Gautam just for the intro. No flying through the air in slow motion. No greeting the audience with folded hands. Just an arrogant walk into the alley, and it gave me goosebumps. True style doesn't require great efforts and Kamal knows that. That's what makes him the master.

From: Thirumaran on Sun Sep 3 11:17:57 2006.

And the song Nerupae, which was totally not needed(It is what my brain says. My eyes was and heart were enjoying that song though) Mr. Green

Thirumaran wrote:

I wonder what the need is, to include an item number in every tamil movie. Can an item number save a movie from disaster? Experience says it cant. But still our movie makers prefer to add one, God knows for what.

It cant definetly save a movie from disaster. But it is an advantage adding those atleast for some of Tamil, Telugu and Hindi movie fans

From: lancelot on Sun Sep 3 11:57:49 2006. [Full View]

i saw the movie... it was good for a tamil movie. specially the technology and the violent parts. a big hats off to Gowtham.
as for Kamal, what can i say? he is at his SIMPLE BEST.

as for me unfortunatly, i started comparing it with Se7en (one of my all time favs) that messed up wat was a good tamil movie.

the Jo romance part slowed the pace a little. makes the viewer forget the main subject of the movie for a bit. i didnt like that.

wait for my full review after my second viewing of the movie.

More of a Gowtham Menon movie that a Kamal, even though Kamal is an major asset to VV..

hehe
From: great on Sun Sep 3 12:19:52 2006. [Full View]

lancelot wrote:

the Jo romance part slowed the pace a little. makes the viewer forget the main subject of the movie for a bit. i didnt like that.

Exactly this is what i felt more during the first half

Amuthan charc has been etched out well. He was amazing in that role and the way they kill ppl

BGM was good in many scenes and normal in rest of the scenes !!!

Ravi verman wow

Kamilanee she was cute enough

I liked the violence in this movie
From: Roshan on Sun Sep 3 12:37:04 2006. [Full View]

Had the 2nd view today again. Could grasp the little fracture-of-second expressions and scenes better this time. Never felt bored at any point eventhough it was a repetition. Might go for the 3rd time

From: Thirumaran on Sun Sep 3 12:40:53 2006.

the Jo romance part slowed the pace a little. makes the viewer forget the main subject of the movie for a bit. i didnt like that.

Very Happy

lancelot wrote:

Exactly this is what i felt more during the first half Banging Head

Amuthan charc has been etched out well. He was amazing in that role and the way they kill ppl Thumbs Up!

BGM was good in many scenes and normal in rest of the scenes !!!

Ravi verman wow Thumbs Up!

Kamilanee she was cute enough Razz

I liked the violence in this movie Very Happy

When we look the story only as the investagion on the serial killings then it looks bit dragging.

But i go with the tag line "Another episode in police officer's life"

It is the story of the police officer in a particular stage. The personal and professional happenings in the officer's story.

In that way i feel the matured relationship which happens between Kamal and Jo as very interesting indeed.

Both were at their best in the scenes between them and i would say it was interesting.

From: Roshan on Sun Sep 3 12:45:43 2006. [Full View]

lancelot wrote:

i saw the movie... it was good for a tamil movie. specially the technology and the violent parts. a big hats off to Gowtham.

Lancelot,

Which theatre did you go to ? I am also from Sri Lanka and I saw it at Concord. Both times, it was house full.

Where is Cinefan? I am waiting to see his comments. Hope he has come out of the theatre
From: leosimha on Sun Sep 3 12:51:29 2006. [Full View]

Kamal's release in full glee

The much expected film with desired moulding, rocking the nation currently. Kamal starrer Vettaiyadu Vilaiyadu seems that, Goutham and Kamal's magic has worked. Though the movie is a late release pinned up with issues, it has not at all effected the ticket windows. Infact its still going strong at box office.

From the day of its release the movie has made bumper collections running to packed houses without loosing its vanity. Its pretty hard to fix tickets in the multi-plexes. Day by day price of the tickets are shooting up like blazing heat. Claims Muni Kannaya, the manager of Sathyam Complex (Chennai - India) "Kamal's movie always have galloping opening not only every centers here, even overseas. I am unable to issue the tickets for kamal's hardcore fans. I face dreadful experience for the first time being a manager of Sathyam Complex. The situation forces me to play Hide and Seek game with disappointed fans."

Looks like Kamal's zeal still holds attention and finally floats on seventh heaven.

Source - http://www.kollywoodtoday.com/news/02-09-06d.asp

From: lancelot on Sun Sep 3 12:53:06 2006.

Lancelot,

Which theatre did you go to ? I am also from Sri Lanka and I saw it at Concord. Both times, it was house full.

Where is Cinefan? I am waiting to see his comments. Hope he has come out of the theatre Cool

Roshan wrote:

i went to CinyCity. wanna go again next week.

hehe

From: Roshan on Sun Sep 3 12:57:10 2006. [Full View]

lancelot wrote:

i went to CinyCity. wanna go again next week.

hehe
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How was the crowd there? Today when we went for the 2nd time, it was packed and we could not manage to get to the balcony. Managed with ODC finally.
From: lancelot on Sun Sep 3 13:00:29 2006. [Full View]

i went last thursday. it was half full.

i had a feeling that the movie didnt reach to the ppl. coz it had a lot of english. an i realised with all the shouting that some people didnt understand.

but then most of the ppl who come there wanna see a flying hero and a dancing heroin

that dosent mean VV is not good does it??? it was a BIG step in tamil cinema.

i forgot to mention that Prakash Raj did an amazing job in a short role he was given. very nice

hehe

From: great on Sun Sep 3 13:02:35 2006.

But i go with the tag line "Another episode in police officer's life"
It is the story of the police officer in a particular stage. The personal and professional happenings in the officer's story.

In that way i feel the matured relationship which happens between Kamal and Jo as very interesting indeed.

Both were at their best in the scenes between them and i would say it was interesting. Smile

Thirumaran wrote:

Absolutely perfect the movie goes with the tag line , Just after the opening song the genre of the movie will be know ie thriller.

The movie moves at a brisk pace but for the Jo scenes .Irrespective of the outcome of the performance it did hindered the pace of the movie.

Towards the climax where KH would be looking out for the killers ,chennai airport scene. Jo would call KH to check if she can talk to KH for 30 mins .But there situation would be different, he would be chasing the killers . Chase scene stops there KH and JO would discuss about her future plans !!!! I felt this scene could have been inserted in some other place not @ that poin. This is just a example of JO char .

To sum up its a good movie from the master

From: ajithfederer on Sun Sep 3 13:45:30 2006. [Full View]

here i see many complaining abt the jo kamal scenes as a slackener to the movie pace.......

But performance wise kamal - jo romance was much more matured and gives lot of scope for acting......especially the scenes when kamal says his love to jo and also when he asks her not to go 2 the US......

Kamal's portrayal of grief when her wife dies is simply amazing .......no wonder why he is called Universal hero
From: Aalavanthan on Sun Sep 3 14:14:37 2006. [Full View]

Mayajaal - Saturday 1:05 pm
I asked the ticket counter guy for 3 tickets for a 1:25 show which he turned down and said the next 4 shows are full and that the 4:35 pm show is available. 5 mins later, I went to the same guy and he said even 4:35 pm is full. That was not the end, I asked him again for 1:25 ticket and he said 3 tickets are available but not in sequence. What the hell, I wasnt ready to wait for 3 hours to see the man saying "tha.. poi gate-a moodu daa"

2nd viewing gave me more thoughts about the movie onscreen. I wonder whether the review-writers watch the movies more than once to pen their words, if not I think 50% of them will be absurd. This is the 1st ever movie to view in theatre twice in a week's time of release. BTW, The show was full with 150 Rs. a ticket

Have you guys ever read the book "thiraikkadhai ezhudhuvadhu eppadi" by Sujatha ? Well, Gautam sure had. For me, every scene in the movie is inevitable for the story to move. In particular, Jo's character. There has to be a strong reason for Kamal-Jo relationship. 1. In Chennai(/anywhere in India), as a DCP one will never have a chance to move with a girl (be it a divorcee/separated) closely and thats the reason for NY. 2. Kamal-Jo scenes are only during the night time (DCP has his job to be done during day time) and the closeness increases when two meets after dark. 3. You cant expect a girl who has come out of a 3 yr serious relationship to be enthusiastic and that has caused the lack of pace in the romance(?) scenes between them (on the other hand, I felt Gautam should have fasten up Raghavan's belts during the day time to get the pace going... instead of finding the corpses, he should have atleast tracked down who the serial killer is and the second half should have been about hunting him-her down).

I guess I tried to answer the questions from various hubbers and from sify for the slow pace of Kamal-Jo scenes. Now to the cast & crew..

Kamal + a BIG plus... he is always a treat to watch - check out when the lights were switched on in the hospital (Kamalini's deathbed) and there is a suddern jerk from Kamal and the emotions to follow - check out where he speaks local language to the Dada and ofcourse the Pick of Kamal - "tha.. chinna pasangala" - his hair style, his eyes, his voice, his delivery, his face, his etc.etc.etc. Thalaivaa.. atleast make a scene presence once in every 6 mths ! We are happy to hear "neruppu vaayinil" but vision speaks louder than words/lyrics !!! One thing to notice about this hardware guy, he was always superior in speaking with the NYPD/FBI unlike the software guys - Appreciate Gautam for this thinking and not letting US cops to dictate terms to a Chennai DCP !

HJ + Re-recording... he was at his best during the search of the first corpse in Keeranur which he managed to use the same bit for the corpse-search scenes in NY-NJ. Why do I need a big grand orchestration when they show us NY. This is a movie about a serial killer damn it, reduce the instruments and give the feeling to the audience that the killer is somewhere down that bridge. And I must say the mixing wasnt perfect. There was a sudden loudness in his BGM which doesnt sync with normal sound of the movie.

Ravi Verman + a product of Ravi.K.Chandran - Kudos to him. Its a bit easy to go up the sky and bend down the camera to show NY(or US) in a different way, but the difficulty is to find which part of NY to be shot ? It was excellent to have Kamal close-ups in which his body doesnt speak. For eg. the opening conversation with Dada. But when
they said that they have used a new set of cameras for the climax chase scenes, I thought (expected) the camera work will be as in War of the worlds during the drive of Tom Cruise towards Boston. I wanted to see a close up of Kamal & Villan without a break in the shot while they are driving at 80 kmph

Stun Siva + DTS helped this guy.

Daniel Balaji + He must be a 33+ guy and yet reduced a lot of pounds and shaped his body for a gay-ish (or bi-sexual) character.

Gautam + Thanks to have Kamal for this story. I cant imagine if a non-Kamal has acted in this. Thanks for a lovely but powerful intro of our thalaivar ! Thanks for choosing Motorola V3 which suited the wide RayBan for Kamal.

Gautam - 1. He hasnt learnt from the mistakes in the past. Yes, Thoodhu varumaa in Kaakha Kaakha and Neruppae in VV. Atleast the producer could have saved some money by not paying the dancers, sets, choreographer, singers. I mean a fast track beat would have been enuf to show that the killers have gone to Goa and Kamal has recovered from the injury and not a 5 min song with lot of beautiful girls (I have only two eyes man) , 2. Surprised to see an expected last half hour but climax. 3. Winter clothes are supposed to be used over the shirt and not under them ! This made our man to be more chubby except for the scenes with Blazers/Suit

New technologies used: Coloring (where the picture turns blurry black/white, etc) - I think I have seen this in Alaipayuthey but not as effective as this one. 2. Roll-vision cameras, 3. 35 mm format, 4. Special effects during the intro song which is definitely a virgin attempt.

BTW; who is that famous hollywood actor who appeared onscreen ? or was it just a hoax ?? I think its latter !

From: Roshan on Sun Sep 3 14:16:00 2006.

here i see many complaining abt the jo kamal scenes as a slackener to the movie pace.......

But performance wise kamal - jo romance was much more matured and gives lot of scope for acting......especially the scenes when kamal says his love to jo and also when he asks her not to go 2 the US...... Smile

ajithfederer wrote:

I too agree. I am sure, if there wasnt anything of that sort, people would have again complained saying that the Ragaven DCP character was similar to that of Anbuchelvan ACP. I really liked the scenes of Kamal - Jo and the different kind of treatment of a romance between a middle aged man and young girl - without any dream songs, kutthu paattu or un realistic/purely cinematic romantic bluffs.

From: Prabhu Ram on Sun Sep 3 15:51:29 2006.

Madhan manasula enna periya Roger Ebert, Barry Norman nu nenappa???
I've seen him say positive things about even Sibi movies and the likes. Ella director kitteyum konjam vazhiyuvaaru...
Aana in today's program every question of his had a negative intonation and he didn't say a word about Aandavar's performance.
I mean criticizing VV is fine (as would be evident from my posts on the movie) but when you are a so-called critic (what he knows better about films or acting than we people is a diff question), you need to be consistent.
Ellam neram Banging Head

Disclaimer: I did not see the interview. Haven't seen VV....yet

I am surprised. Madan, I have always felt, was partial to Kamal films. He has never analyzed Kamal's acting well enough (used to wash his hands off with a cliched 'kEkkavE vEndAm...').
Quite hesitant to criticize. I remember eagerly looking fwd to his ALavanthAn review (when he was writing reviews in Kumudham) but he backed out saying he was too closely involved in the making of the film (?). OTOH I remember Sujatha's cryptic comment when the mic was thrust on him as he exited the ALvanthAn premiere : "thozhilnutpa reethiyilE padam romba nalla vanthurukku"

Regarding Madan's reluctance to be overtly critical of even ordinary films, he once said he was consciously matching them against prevalent Tamil film standards rather than any cinematic ideal. When you consciously do that consistency will definitely be lost.

AV marks are joke beaten only by SunTV's hilarious attempts for one-word summaries.I think, by and large, people understand that the yardstick being taken is different.

Personally, I don't think it is wrong to take a different yardstick to measure Kamal films. Yes, it is double standards, definitely. But I can't help it. I would love to give him the handicap by going with zero expectations. But it has never been possible. Unless of course one is sufficiently warned to forget everything (as was done with the PKS promo - so I enjoyed PKS). A film review, after all, springs from this highly subjective experience, and to that extent the objectivity is likely to be limited.

In fact one needs to be hypercritical of VRMBBS types (I'm pretty sore he is teaming up with Saran again). Kamal's argument that the-actor-is-my-financier, has been less than appealing. Because, his films have declined in frequncy since the nineties.
MMKR,ThEvar Magan, Guna were within 3 years. Mahanadhi, Kurudhippunal a year apart. Then a gap to Hey! Ram and a bigger gap to Anbe Sivam-Virumaandi. And his next film seems faraway. The films I left out are not because they were not enjoyable ,but they are ones not written by him and/or ones that did not need Kamal (kosu adikka kadappArai)

All said and done, my respect for Madan's opinions have always been rather mild since his avowed public devotion to James Cameron's Titanic

From: Kollywoodfan on Sun Sep 3 20:01:27 2006.

Kamal's portrayal of grief when her wife dies is simply amazing .......no wonder why he is called Universal hero Very Happy

ajithfederer wrote:

In fact, I think the movie wouldn't be as successful as it is if that wasn't there...because including that caters to all parts of audience: romance lovers, actions lovers....It showcased Kamal in a different light which of course he shone through! Very natural, mature acting from both of them...and the journey of their romance, the ups and downs were structured very smoothly and realistically.

From: Thirumaran on Sun Sep 3 20:59:24 2006.

Kamal's portrayal of grief when her wife dies is simply amazing .......no wonder why he is called Universal hero Very Happy

Kollywoodfan wrote:

ajithfederer wrote:

It could have been successful. Bot not like this. The movie could have been hit like Kuruthi Punal which was hit only in A centre.

but i never felt like the scenes between Kamal and Jo as unnecessary. They quiet go along well with the movie.

From: joe on Sun Sep 3 21:17:32 2006. [Full View]

I have seen the movie only once in singapore .I never felt the movie is draging at any time ,Kamal -jo scenes also looks fresh and enjoyable for me.My family and friend's families watched the movie together with me also felt the same.

But I didn't expect this movie can perform very good in BO .Really happy to hear all the news on it's box office success.
From: Thirumaran on Sun Sep 3 21:24:37 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

But I didn't expect this movie can perform very good in BO .Really happy to hear all the news on it's box office success.

Still we have to wait and see how long it will go in long run. But in the past 10 days the collections have been extraordinary in several centres which no other movie enjoyed before.

I definetly believe now itself the distributors and Producer could have made consuderable amount of Profit.

If we go by collections it is definetly a bit hit..
From: joe on Sun Sep 3 22:47:14 2006. [Full View]

One more review from a blogger
http://thekkikattan.blogspot.com/2006/09/hollywood-effect.html
From: groucho070 on Sun Sep 3 22:59:30 2006. [Full View]

So, now the complaint is on Jyothika Kamal scenes, eh?

I thought it was handled well. Very, very, matured and intelligent (I compared it to Rajini/Sri Devi scenes in Johnny). Well performed. Most importantly, it gave extra dimension to Kamal's cop...who could have been a cardboard stereotype. Jyothika's character made him much more human.
From: great on Sun Sep 3 23:01:28 2006. [Full View]

The sound effect in Melody was not upto the mark . Probly i have to catch up in sathyam again
From: Thirumaran on Sun Sep 3 23:30:38 2006. [Full View]

great wrote:

The sound effect in Melody was not upto the mark . Probly i have to catch up in sathyam again
From: solona on Sun Sep 3 23:43:15 2006. [Full View]

I love Kamal films and that too Gautham direction I am impatient to watch the film. But oru chinna problem, reading all the reviews and comments everbody apart Kamal dies in the film!
Please tell me guys Jo dies too, that will be tooo sad and if yes just tell wether it is at the end so I will stop before.
Naan kaekarthaellam konjam over nnu ennakae thaeriyuthu, but Maya teacher death kae oru vaaram oppari vaichaen, ippo ithaellayum heroine out na, I prefer not seeing the scene:cry:
From: great on Sun Sep 3 23:45:25 2006. [Full View]

solona wrote:

comments everbody apart Kamal dies in the film!
Please tell me guys Jo dies too, that will be tooo sad and if yes just tell wether it is at the end so I will stop before.

Happy ending !!!
From: solona on Sun Sep 3 23:53:46 2006. [Full View]

Thanks thambi
From: Nerd on Sun Sep 3 23:54:39 2006. [Full View]

groucho070 wrote:

(I compared it to Rajini/Sri Devi scenes in Johnny).

But Jhonny was not a thriller and romance played a major role in the movie:P

Excellent review kannannn. You dint elevate the movie to somewhere as every other KH fan is doing here (quality-wise, that is)
From: great on Mon Sep 4 0:02:30 2006. [Full View]

In yesterday`s interview GM has mentioned that he has included the making of VV . But i havent seen any such thing

Has anybody seen the making of VV
From: breadpuli on Mon Sep 4 0:05:21 2006. [Full View]

great wrote:

In yesterday`s interview GM has mentioned that he has included the making of VV . But i havent seen any such thing

Has anybody seen the making of VV

It was there in INOX - FDFS
Second time when I watched, it was missing.

Today there is an interview in Asianet (Malayalam) with Kamal. - 5:30 PM.
I saw a few clippings - Kamal sings Karnatic music, talks about backwaters in Kerala etc.
Will miss it
From: ajithfederer on Mon Sep 4 0:07:42 2006. [Full View]

After the movie ends and when they show the cast and credits they show some movie making scenes with karka karka music in the background.......

great wrote:

In yesterday`s interview GM has mentioned that he has included the making of VV . But i havent seen any such thing

Has anybody seen the making of VV

From: joe on Mon Sep 4 0:15:22 2006.

breadpuli wrote:

In yesterday`s interview GM has mentioned that he has included the making of VV . But i havent seen any such thing Confused2

Has anybody seen the making of VV Smile

It was there in INOX - FDFS
Second time when I watched, it was missing.

Today there is an interview in Asianet (Malayalam) with Kamal. - 5:30 PM.
I saw a few clippings - Kamal sings Karnatic music, talks about backwaters in Kerala etc.
Will miss it Sad

I also have seen this clippings.Malaylees treat kamal as one of them and they have high regard for him

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Sep 4 1:04:54 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

You dint elevate the movie to somewhere as every other KH fan is doing here (quality-wise, that is)

Nerd, we did not say that VV is a great movie like Anbe sivam ect. We just enjoyed the fresh content and say this is a defferent movie in recent times. We know its a masala movie with a totally different color

From: groucho070 on Mon Sep 4 1:15:48 2006.

You dint elevate the movie to somewhere as every other KH fan is doing here (quality-wise, that is) Razz

Nerd, we did not say that VV is a great movie like Anbe sivam ect. We just enjoyed the fresh content and say this is a defferent movie in recent times. We know its a masala movie with a totally different color

I think it SHOULD be elevated to higher status. Why not compare it with Anbe Sivam? The film is bold because it does not hesitate to tell a crime story the way it is, without the usual masala-ic fare (nothing wrong with masala if properly done, both KH and RK did wonderful masala flicks).

I think DCP Ragavan sits up there with with iconic cops like NTs Chaudary and RKs Alex Pandiyan. But those two are products of their respective time. Ragavan belongs to the current era of Political Correctness, of procedures, of undisguised dignitiy and displeasing disgust the public generally have of cops. Ragavan is a person who is aware of that. He chides (in latter scene) a bad cop, but does not punish him. What can that man do? How would he know that he had just contributed to the making of a psycho. In that sense, Raghavan was very fair. He loves his job (that he didn't leave it behind because his wife was killed because of his heroics) and he didn't throw away his badge for so many disgusting elements that came his way.

In short, this is one of the most three dimensional character that I have come across of recent times.

It should be elevated high. We should give it the same respect as Kuruthi Punal, Anbe Sivam and what nots. I hope that it will not be forgotten like the earlier Kamal produced Kadamai Kanniyam Kattupadu which was ahead of its time.

From: Rajkumar_mj on Mon Sep 4 1:25:30 2006.

The pic shows the "cuttings" left on the floor by us Paradise Unit fans after the evening show @ Kasi on Friday

[Paavam mun row la ukkarndha family!]

http://i8.tinypic.com/280nw4h.jpg

Thanks for the pic genius enappadum Karthikeyan!

Last friday i saw the movie with A_A(Bala),Genius aka Karthi in Kasi theatre.

It was a difference experience to watch the movie with them.

A_A kalakitinga

From: Raikkonen on Mon Sep 4 1:25:52 2006. [Full View]

i watched this movie a week ago, it's a good movie..
Kamal underplayed his role very well..
But apart from Kamal, none of the characters appears in screen for more than 20 minutes..

This movie easily could have been categorized as normal villain vs police hero, but since Kamal underplayed his role, we dint get to see un-necessary heroism, and buildup songs ..

But i cannot stop comparing this movie to Kakka Kakka. Both movies had similar themes. My favorite scene in the whole movie was the Kamal- Daniel interrogation scene. it was done very well. but the scene was quite violent too. and the climax scene, i tought it was a big letdown, the villain was demonstarted as a huge evil figure but was killed so easily..

Kamal-Jothika, Kamal-Kamalinee scenes were huge relief for the female fans. even villain's language were quite similar to Kakka Kakka villain.

Overall, the movie was good, and i liked it very much..
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Mon Sep 4 2:10:13 2006. [Full View]

Nerd wrote:

Excellent review kannannn. You dint elevate the movie to somewhere as every other KH fan is doing here (quality-wise, that is)

would again say, not EVERy KH fan says so, overall i can conclude surely, its the Movie of the season. with 70% ov viewers opting for a 2nd tme view
From: alwarpet_andavan on Mon Sep 4 3:33:45 2006. [Full View]

VV tops Malaysia box office

http://www.cinemaonline.com.my/charts/charts.asp?search=top
From: joe on Mon Sep 4 3:40:04 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

VV tops Malaysia box office

http://www.cinemaonline.com.my/charts/charts.asp?search=top

Wow!
From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 4 3:45:28 2006. [Full View]

Vettaiaadu Vilayaaadu-My opinion

After an agonising wait of 8 days,finally managed to watch VV on Saturday.The last time I saw a Kamal movie(Rama, Shama,Bhama) in the theatre,I had A_A,Jaiganesh&his wife for company while this time around it was with sakala&selvakumar.

My opinion in 3 words-Just loved it.

After catching up with reviews all over the internet(websites,blogs,this forum),I knew what the film was all about.Also the negatives about the film like the Kamal-jo scenes slacking the pace of the movie,violence etc had been drilled into my mind.

So,I watched the film with zero expectations&ended up getting bowled over by the film.Personally felt most of the criticisms are unwarranted.

I liked the Kamal-Jo track for the way it has been handled with dignity&charm.Never felt that the pace of the movie went down because of this.(Though heard a couple of Enappa padam ivvlo slow-a poguthu comments in the theatre).Jo also did a good job.Also I was never reminded of KK at any point&if it all a comparison has to be made,then I would say VV is a better written/directed movie.Gautham has def grown as a writer/director.Most importantly where VV scores over KK is in the casting Of Kamal.Surya looks so dull& uni-dimensional in comparison.

VV has also the most stylish&effective intro for Kamal in recent times.Gave me goosebumps.A big 'thumbs up' for that.

I don't have either good or bad to say about the music.Suffice to say the songs/BGM did not jar&thanks to HJ for that

Cinematography was excellent.I think natural light was used to shoot&it gave the film a earthy look which suited the mood of the film.

Overall,VV for me is a complete film-neatly written,executed&most importantly has given Kamal something to think about.Loved the way he has underplayed the role giving it subtle touches here&there.Def talent/class&experience at work.

Another film in the Kamal/Gautham combo-Give it to me any day.

PS:Some of the hubbers/bloggers seem to have put the film under a microscope.Questions like why Kamal used a payphone when he had a mobile with international roaming are plain stupid.

great,
You asked why Kamal had to meet Jo when he was chasing the killers.

No,he was only trying to track them down.Also there are moments when family takes priority over work&DCP Raghavan was no different.Aradhana meant as much to him as tracking Amudhan/Ilamaran down.

As for the violence,felt what was shown was needed-Gautham has not gone overboard.It's sure not a movie for children but can't understand why women can't see it.

One regret:8 pm show(the last show for the day in that theatre),balcony-Full but the second class was almost 70 to 75% empty.

These days it's the students,Auto drivers&the labourer class who form the repeat audience&I feel VV is not the type of film which satisfies the last two sections.

It will in all probability end up being somewhere between a Hit& a Superhit.

As A_A is fond of saying,"Will love to be proved wrong."
From: Rajkumar_mj on Mon Sep 4 3:56:04 2006. [Full View]

Cine fan

Nice review
From: Raghu on Mon Sep 4 5:59:10 2006. [Full View]

Cinefan wrote:

Cinematography was excellent.

Indeed, this ONE of the BEST Aspect of the film!, although I have yet 2 c the film, the trailers LOOKED SUPERB!

Cinefan wrote:

I think natural light was used to shoot&it gave the film a earthy look which suited the mood of the film.

Yes, I dont thing Reflectors or 3000 watts lights were used
From: Raghu on Mon Sep 4 6:05:14 2006. [Full View]

Cinefan wrote:

Surya looks so dull& uni-dimensional in comparison.

No i dont agree with u at all on this, Surya was SUPERB in KK, BUT, as KAMAL is a LEGEND, surya should not b compared with a LEGEND, give surya some 10 odd years
From: alwarpet_andavan on Mon Sep 4 6:32:40 2006. [Full View]

VV is doing brisk business in Salem, where it is screened at 5 theatres!
[It is confirmed that its doing well @ Ganesh theatre through first hand info).
In Nellai and surrounding districts also, it seems to be doing decent....

From: groucho070 on Mon Sep 4 6:33:33 2006.

Surya looks so dull& uni-dimensional in comparison.

Raghu wrote:

Cinefan wrote:

No i dont agree with u at all on this, Surya was SUPERB in KK, BUT, as KAMAL is a LEGEND, surya should not b compared with a LEGEND, give surya some 10 odd years

I think he didn't mean putting side by side. Surya was excellent for his age and time. Its like comparing Kamal with Sivaji back in the seventies. Kamal was showing lots of potential at the time when Sivaji was at the peak. But Sivaji was Sivaji then, like Kamal is now.

(Now, I am not comparing Kamal with Sivaji now, I am just comparing the status they enjoy at the peak of their career).

VV's script is a major improvement on KK. So, I guess Surya's performance is good enough for KK's script. Kamal's character had more depth, more background, more emotional baggage...as per VV's script. That is why I guess Cinefan made that comment...

From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 4 6:41:17 2006. [Full View]

Raghu,
As groucho rightly put it,I was not comparing Surya&Kamal.Was just saying that after watching VV,it's so obvious that ppl like Surya,Vikram have a long way to go before aspiring to reach(forget taking over) Kamal's throne.
From: kannannn on Mon Sep 4 6:44:37 2006. [Full View]

groucho070 wrote:

I think it SHOULD be elevated to higher status. Why not compare it with Anbe Sivam?

Please tell me you are joking.

groucho070 wrote:

In short, this is one of the most three dimensional character that I have come across of recent times.

The character is three dimensional alright. But, I just couldn't digest the fact that so much importance was given to a particular dimension at the expense of others.

groucho070 wrote:

I hope that it will not be forgotten like the earlier Kamal produced Kadamai Kanniyam Kattupadu which was ahead of its time.

Funny that you should mention 'Kadamai Kanniyam Kattupadu'. I am a big fan of that movie. Infact, the two movies I was trying to compare VV with were KKK and 'French Connection'. Were the characters of Gene Hackman and Satyaraj one-dimensional? Certainly not. We see the frustration, the loneliness and the mess the characters have made of their lives in both these movies. But never do you feel the cop story taking a backseat in these movies.

As I mentioned before, the NY setting seems to have been influenced by the decision to give importance to Kamal-Jyotika relationship. So, it is not a cop investigation story with romance thrown in. It's the other way round. That I can't take - not with a title like 'Vettaiyadu Villaiyadu' and the brilliant intro and opening sequences the movie had.
From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 4 6:53:21 2006. [Full View]

kannannn,
It just boils down to difference of opinion.I ,like groucho found the Kamal-Jo track interesting.You don't,feel it was unnecessary.So be it.let's agree to disagree.

As for elevating to Anbe Sivam status,I wouldn't do that.Both of them are films in a diff genre.It's like comparing apples&oranges.

VV is a damn good film,Period.Will watch it again next week.
From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 4 6:54:29 2006. [Full View]

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/24981.html

Says VV is doing very well(once again)

From: alwarpet_andavan on Mon Sep 4 7:01:52 2006.

No flying through the air in slow motion. No greeting the audience with folded hands. Just an arrogant walk into the alley, and it gave me goosebumps. True style doesn't require great efforts and Kamal knows that. That's what makes him the master.

From: groucho070 on Mon Sep 4 7:01:53 2006.

Please tell me you are not joking.

No I am not. Anbe Sivam had comedy going on in it, remember the influence from Planes, Trains and Automobile? Very commercial element, with strong performance and subtext thrown in. So is VV. There was a special focus on Kamal and Madhavan's relationship in Anbe Sivam. That of a sibling, of brothers, of soon-to-be comrades. Likewise, there is also focus on Kamal Jyothika here, of what started out as saviour/victim, to acquaintance, to friends, to that of lovers. Very slow, very smooth.

Serial killers don't materialise out of thin air. They get created, by their environment, their education, their exposure, the actions of those around them. A little incident may excite them and what starts out as a spark may become fire as they grow older. This was addressed in the movie, but I guess most people were too busy grumbling about Jo/Kamal relationship.

In my opinion, this is a very strong movie.

The character is three dimensional alright. But, I just couldn't digest the fact that so much importance was given to a particular dimension at the expense of others.

You mean to romance? At the expense of? By showing the hesitancy, and the awkwardness of Kamal when he fell in love again, we are reminded why he is a damned good cop. Because he is capable of being cold, of being steely, of hiding his feelings. Unfortunately it does not help in private life. The fleshing out of his relationship with the girl shows us the man we are not supposed to see when in pursuit of the evil. The other side of the coin. Otherwise, he might just as well be another supporting character in a team.

Funny that you should mention 'Kadamai Kanniyam Kattupadu'. I am a big fan of that movie. Infact, the two movies I was trying to compare VV with were KKK and 'French Connection'. Were the characters of Gene Hackman and Satyaraj one-dimensional? Certainly not. We see the frustration, the loneliness and the mess the characters have made of their lives in both these movies. But never do you feel the cop story taking a backseat in these movies.

As I mentioned before, the NY setting seems to have been influenced by the decision to give importance to Kamal-Jyotika relationship. So, it is not a cop investigation story with romance thrown in. It's the other way round. That I can't take - not with a title like 'Vettaiyadu Villaiyadu' and the brilliant intro and opening sequences the movie had.

Do you mean French Connection 2? Where he goes to France. FC2 is very focussed to Popeye alone. Wherelse, in FC, there was his partner and the team. FC2 is very underrated in fact.

As for Vettaiyadu Vilaiyadu title, you are probably right. They could have had different title. But then you can argue that its like telling all work and no play makes Raghavan a dull cop, so lets have both work (Vettaiyadu) and play/romance (Vilayadu) and make him interesting. But then, I am just stretching things here.

From: Cinefan on Mon Sep 4 7:10:07 2006. [Full View]

groucho,
Good responses.Couldn't have put it better.

When I watched VV,even I felt that it's a very logical movie&G has not left many loopholes.

Sufficient info was provided about the serial killers,no need to have a big flashback right?

Wonder why&about what ppl are complaining?
From: groucho070 on Mon Sep 4 7:11:34 2006. [Full View]

Oh, not big complain. Just about the romance part and that it is a good movie but not as great as, say, Anbe Sivam. I said that it is great. Period.

From: kannannn on Mon Sep 4 7:15:03 2006.

Do you mean French Connection 2? Where he goes to France. FC2 is very focussed to Popeye alone. Wherelse, in FC, there was his partner and the team. FC2 is very underrated in fact.

groucho070 wrote:

No. I haven't seen FC2. I meant the first part. The focus was still on Hackman and his partner was just that - a partner. But as cinefan wrote, lets agree to disagree

. I too am planning to watch it again this week. Let's see what excuse I can make to travel to London again.

From: Kanna on Mon Sep 4 8:28:54 2006. [Full View]

One of my colleagues watched at Chromepet Vetri last evening. He said there was huge roar whenever Kamal appeared on the screen. Seems, audience enjoyed all the casual witty oneliners from Kamal.

Another surprise is that, eventhough Thimiru was officially running @ Rakesh, for the weekend though, they played VV at Rakesh too!!
From: Alien on Mon Sep 4 9:10:28 2006. [Full View]

Girish11 wrote:

Hi Alien, nice to see you too in under new Id. Great avatar Vas.
Still in Aus? Seen VV?

Hey thanks girish..... Yeah I'm still here .... Haven't seen VV yet .. It will be screened this weekend here ... EAGERLY Awaiting it ! ... It drives me crazy to read all these discussions and reviews/scenes when I find myself still waiting for itz release ... ..... How abt u? u won't b able to watch it in near future ? huh ! ... .

From: asan on Mon Sep 4 10:00:36 2006.

VV is doing brisk business in Salem, where it is screened at 5 theatres!
[It is confirmed that its doing well @ Ganesh theatre through first hand info).
In Nellai and surrounding districts also, it seems to be doing decent....

ya right after a long time in tirunelveli district alone it's released in 8 theatres.a feast for kamal fans after a long time

vv seems to be like a hollywood film made in tamil

From: alwarpet_andavan on Mon Sep 4 10:10:49 2006. [Full View]

http://i7.tinypic.com/282qn1e.jpg

From: Girish11 on Mon Sep 4 11:57:32 2006.

Hi Alien, nice to see you too in under new Id. Great avatar Vas.
Still in Aus? Seen VV?

Alien wrote:

Girish11 wrote:

Hey thanks girish..... Yeah I'm still here .... Haven't seen VV yet .. It will be screened this weekend here ... EAGERLY Awaiting it ! ... It drives me crazy to read all these discussions and reviews/scenes when I find myself still waiting for itz release ... Sigh2

..... How abt u? u won't b able to watch it in near future ? huh ! ... .

Nice to know you will be watching it soon. Here no chance, vcd print is available but I am not going to watch it till the original dvd is out, it would take 2-3 months I guess.

From: Girish11 on Mon Sep 4 11:59:14 2006. [Full View]

Guys, how about the initial promo stills? Do those scenes appear in the movie in the flash back as younger Kamal?
From: great on Mon Sep 4 12:06:10 2006. [Full View]

Girish11 wrote:

Guys, how about the initial promo stills? Do those scenes appear in the movie in the flash back as younger Kamal?

No !!! That was just for photosession only

From: Girish11 on Mon Sep 4 12:30:44 2006.

Guys, how about the initial promo stills? Do those scenes appear in the movie in the flash back as younger Kamal?

Girish11 wrote:

No !!! That was just for photosession only

Thanks Great.

Strange. Probably they wanted to use that get up for the flash back
and later changed their minds. Would have been nice if they had used it

From: NOV on Mon Sep 4 21:18:07 2006.

Well, I had to say something about V V, it was a bummer show for me. I thought the flow of the main story was so disoriented and did not take time to develop the characters in complete. Example. The villain, was portrayed in the beginning as serial killers, then they were claimed to be best doctors doing research, and then they were labeled homosexual.

Villain Chracteristic Flaws:
Gautham need a better research team on the serial killers. Watch Discoveries : Profiling Serial Killers: American has more serial killers , then the whole world combined.

1) Homosexual don't do girls they might rape guys. ( Bisexuals might)
2) Serial killers do not kill on vengeance series (that's what he did to Rani, and their parents), why then other American were killed? Not told or developed.
3) Best Doctors, through the dialogs we can hear them talking about creating cure for aging and stuff. Yet none of the murdered victims were used for that purposes or even remotely portrayed.

Perfect Flow of Story : Kabhi Alfida na Kehna, Ghajini

Logic:
A lack of research on the story substance.

1) Student VISAS(F1) or B1 are restricted Visas in USA, you may not travel as freely as they portrayed in the Movie. This is post 9/11 rules. F1 Visas Indians are not usually awarded with multiple entries. Every time they travel out they must get approval from the University and W2 form signed and approved by immigration and Homeland Department.
Indian Population in America : 3.5Mil and millions more in Tamilnadu know this process.

2) Kamal would have been charged for "intentional negligence to cause wrongful death of the officer Anderson" and " failed to abide local laws and procedure in NY jurisdiction" to get in to an private apartment without a search warrant. He would have got into a big law tussles. All evidences collected from there are inadmissible in the court of law.
NYPD the world's largest police force and it has almost the size of Malaysian army.

3) No One would have survived a surgical knife triple insertions, with massive internal bleeding, just cured for duty in a week. Miracle! dont make sense to me.

4) Prakash Raj looks so much more younger to Kamal to be recruiting him into the Force.

Songs :-
Are Great ; thumbs up

Cameraman or Editor

1) Scene where Kamal was in pursuit of Villain, on his way he will bump into Amuthan on the reverse side of the road , the scene of turning Mahindra ( 180'), shouldn't have been internal shots but aerial shots. Any professional cameramen will agree with me. Not sure it is editors mistake or cameraman resources limitation ( crane shots) and a lot more.

2) Same round shots, it was very clear during the first opening fighting scenes. Give audience an impression of " not again" masala hero movie.

3) The song sequence with Kamal & Wife, was done some portion in the studio was very apparent. Not close to what i thought it would be. Simple and not at all artistic. I was hoping for scenic scenes.

4) It wasn't anything like Khaka Khaka! In terms of camera and editing work. Great foot shots.

I can go on and on........

Make up artist and fashion designer for Kamal : Bad job : eye pockets and such : conti is off most of the time.

Make artist for Jhotika : Good for the story.

Music Score : Awesome

Acting : Kamal : good (On the standard of Nayagan, Devar Maagan and such)
:Villain : Awesome
:Prakash Ray : Excellent : the crying scene by the Rani's naked body.

Cinematography :
Chandran would have been a better choice.

1) The FBI building, Rocker feller centers, NYPD, Time Square, 42ND Avenues, Renaissance Hotel areas, Lower Manhattan Scenes, Hudson River were not justifiable shots, might be caused by art director. V V did pretty good job on fall scenes with Vermont like shots. KANK did so much a better job.
I've been there, I know first hand how the places are. KANK portrayed New York, Philadelhia more beautifully then anybody else whether thru American or foreign movies.

Community Message:( Moral of the Story)

1) ?? Still Thinking after a week : May be like don't kill people : Oh yes, Indian police dont follow rules and NYPD does.
2) Tamil Movies cant do a serial killer movie yet.
3) Dr. Kamal need to choose characters like big B. Age gracefully and lead the industry. even though it is not his movie.
4) Khaka Khaka is a lucky shot or V V is just a hurry bury work?
5) Typical Majority Tamil Movie/Serials, where the "girls are portrayed as beauty dolls and weak."

Arun dorasamy

From: groucho070 on Mon Sep 4 21:48:45 2006. [Full View]

Mr. Dorasamys seems to be expecting to see Discovery Channel re-enaction scenes - in terms of accurate potrayal.

Liberties are taken with movies...Hollywood do it all the time, especially when their characters travel to other countries, do things as they please. Oh hell, Mr. Doraisamy is a minority, too bad he did not enjoy it as most of us did. Being too tight in the rear could spoil your fun.

And Kannnannn,

We shall agree to disagree. And I am sorry about Steve. Of all things, he should die because of Stingray.
From: joe on Mon Sep 4 22:08:53 2006. [Full View]

Arun Tried his best to sum up all logical loop holes and managed to fill up a page ..But If he sincearly does the same for other usual tamil movies ,he must be able to fill up atleast 20 pages.

This may help arun to get satisfaction to prove VV is not upto the mark compare to hollywood movies ,but not compare with other tamil movies.

He is complaining like kamal didn't get permission ,students didn't get Visa blah blah ..If all need to be shown in a movie it will be a 4 hours movie ,then Arun may complain like movie is too long and all these things could be avoided ,since audience can understand indirectly.

Vazhnthaalum Yesum Thazhnthaalum Yesum
Vaiyagam ithu thaanada!
From: Nerd on Mon Sep 4 22:46:15 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Tamil Movies cant do a serial killer movie yet.

Yes !!

There are a lot of movies whose -ve points can be summarized in a few lines. And yes there are a lot of movies that need 20 pages.

btw, who is arun ??
From: Alien on Mon Sep 4 23:34:52 2006. [Full View]

Arun is some1 in desperate need of attention ... The review was laughable to say the least ... Even as some1, who hasn't seen the movie, I might be able to help him out at places ..... ... ethukku review ellam panni ? ... lol ...

BTW there weren't ANY movie in past 2 years, with -ve points that could be summarized within few lines, except Ram, Kadhal & Pudhuppettai ...
Let me see VV ...
From: Alien on Mon Sep 4 23:42:48 2006. [Full View]

BTW Nov, why don't u post the source of that review (I mean blog add or community add etc.,)... We aren't here in need of reading some half-baked unknown ones ... If u give the source then we might clarify some pretty basic stuff to him ... ...

From: NOV on Tue Sep 5 0:18:05 2006.

BTW Nov, why don't u post the source of that review (I mean blog add or community add etc.,)...

Alien wrote:

just offering views. those are for people who don't only want to read sugar-coated reviews.

two responses to the above write up:

comment 1 wrote:

i dont know which is the real look of new york the one shown in VV or in Kabhi alvida as i never been to new york before...but i think the new york that was shown in CNN during the 9/11 period was the real new york...kabhi alvida is a love story so new york was shown in full colour and vibrant to suit the love theme mood, VV is crime story so new york was shown in dim lit mood. ( i came to know that there is water taxi in new york city only after i watch VV)

message in VV ?? sorry we have to wait until gautham menon direct "CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE TAMIL SOUL" movie to find message in it..this is not MGR or Sivaji era to find message in movie.

Comment 2 wrote:

I agree with your inteligent insides. Unfortunately, Kamal was already on his way to the bank before this film was released.

In Hollywood, the actors must impress the Directors before they are accepted to do a role in a movie.
In Kollywood, the Directors must impress the actors.

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 0:21:59 2006. [Full View]

-deleted-

no personal attacks

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 0:38:19 2006.

Tamil Movies cant do a serial killer movie yet.

Quote:

Yes !!

There are a lot of movies whose -ve points can be summarized in a few lines. And yes there are a lot of movies that need 20 pages.

btw, who is arun ??

i dont think so, what about sigappu rojaakkal ?

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 0:39:23 2006. [Full View]

"1) Scene where Kamal was in pursuit of Villain, on his way he will bump into Amuthan on the reverse side of the road , the scene of turning Mahindra ( 180'), shouldn't have been internal shots but aerial shots."
- Who is this Arun dude who says what shot to keep in each scene? I though film-making was a creative excercise
This scenes comprises 3 shots
1) Straight long shot of the two vehicles colliding
2) Cuts to aerial shot of the Mahindra swerving [correct me if i'm wrong]
3) Close up of the same
So what's the complaint dude.
Why doesn't Arun chose the lenses Ravi has to use in 10A?

"Perfect Flow of Story : Kabhi Alfida na Kehna, Ghajini"
- If this is not a JOKE. what is?????
Oru paanai sorukku oru soru padham. Actually we should have stopped reading from here!

"2) Serial killers do not kill on vengeance series (that's what he did to Rani, and their parents), why then other American were killed? Not told or developed"
- Their murders didn't start with the Rani murder. It resurfaced (provoked) through that incident. That said, i had already said that the villain's characterization wasn't all that impressive

"It wasn't anything like Khaka Khaka! In terms of camera and editing work"
- Any takers?

"Make up artist and fashion designer for Kamal : Bad job : eye pockets and such"
-

"KANK did so much a better job.
I've been there, I know first hand how the places are. KANK portrayed New York, Philadelhia more beautifully then anybody else whether thru American or foreign movies"
- Can it get worse than this? This guy has a serious problem.
1) I've also been there and i know how it is. What does 'showing it beautifully' mean? Does this dude understand what cinematography is? When the KANK crew THEMSELVES asked Gautham for VV footage we have Mr.Ellam Therinja Ekambaram Arun asserting that KANK had better cinematography! Kali muthiduthu

"Age gracefully and lead the industry"
- Sollittaru!!!!

"Typical Majority Tamil Movie/Serials, where the "girls are portrayed as beauty dolls and weak." "
- OK but i don't see the connection.

The very fact that i took the pains to reply to this piece of pretentious high sounding nonsense means i have too much spare time
But enna panradhu.......

From: Roshan on Tue Sep 5 0:42:35 2006.

message in VV ?? sorry we have to wait until gautham menon direct "CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE TAMIL SOUL" movie to find message in it..this is not MGR or Sivaji era to find message in movie.

NOV wrote:

[/quote]

yEmpA message message-nu alaiyureentga...yEthO cinema message pArthu atha follow paNNura maathiri.. persusaa...

Exactly !! this is not MGR and Sivaji era and we do not want Gautham Menon to go back to that era and direct a movie - which would make him look like an idiot. For that matter, why only Goutham Menon is pointed out here.. no director except directors who made movies like "kalainjarin kannamma" or "paasa kiLigaL" would want to make movies with so called messages. A_A sonna maathiri.. tholla thaanga mudiyalappA

From: Nerd on Tue Sep 5 0:58:53 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Exactly !! this is not MGR and Sivaji era and we do not want Gautham Menon to go back to that era and direct a movie - which would make him look like an idiot.

Is chEran an idiot ??

Is KH an idiot ?? (Just finished watching anbE sivam)

summA pEsanumEnnu pEsaathiinga

and sakala, sigappu rOjakkaL is not a serial killer movie but its a VERY WELL MADE crime thriller unlike <>

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 1:18:08 2006.

ஒரு மனிதன் நல்ல சினிமாவே எடுக்க முடியாது.
இயக்குனர் தனக்குரிய முத்திரையில எடுத்தா போன படம் சாயல்னு சொல்லுவிங்க.
சாயல் இல்லாம எடுத்தா இயக்குனரோட முத்திரையே இல்லேம்பிங்க.
சென்டிமென்ட் போட்டு எடுத்தா புளிச்சு போன விஷயம்பிங்க.
சென்டிமெண்ட் இல்லாம எடுத்தா படம் ட்ரையா இருக்குமிங்க.
சீரியல் கில்லர் படம் நியுயார்க் போய் எடுத்தா எதுக்கு நியுயார்க் கேட்பிங்க.
உள்ளுரிலியே போலிஸ் படம் எடுத்தா இதத்தான் எல்லாம் காட்றானே இதுக்கு எதுக்கு இவன்னு சொல்றிங்க.
ரொம்ப ரியலிஸ்டிக் இருந்தா ஆர்ட் முவிபிங்க.
இல்லாட்டி வழக்கமான மசாலாம்பிங்க.

என்னத்ததான் சாமி எடுக்கறது. ?????????

extracted frm a blog

Quote:

From: Alien on Tue Sep 5 1:25:56 2006. [Full View]

Well , NOV , You ARE to provide the source if u r gonna quote some1 else's words ! Isn't it???? !!! ... Thatz some basic rules ..... Or else DON'T post it here .....
Shall I post some abusive words here and say that it was written by some dhorasamy in some site ??? I can't , can I ??? Same way , U must cite it !
Sorry to be rude !

And is that dhorasamy an idiot to ask for message ?? Let me tell u , these guys will NEVER grow up ! Movies are just a medium for arts , movie makers don't have to educate the viewers thru their movies ... What an airhead must that guy b???
What message did that dhorasamy get from "The Godfather" ??? The movie that is widely ranked as the best ever to have graced in world cinema .... There are innumerable classic examples like this ....
MGR, Shivaji movies aren't any better just coz they had any message ...

See, NOV, am pretty sure my this post will be deleted ... Thatz why I ask u to (U shud anyway) give the source , so that v can educate that guy directly ......
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 1:54:17 2006. [Full View]

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From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 1:55:32 2006. [Full View]

groucho070 wrote:

Oh hell, Mr. Doraisamy is a minority, too bad he did not enjoy it as most of us did. Being too tight in the rear could spoil your fun.
From: NOV on Tue Sep 5 1:58:43 2006. [Full View]

Alien wrote:

Well , NOV , You ARE to provide the source if u r gonna quote some1 else's words ! Isn't it???? !!! ...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnitedMalaysianIndianClub/?yguid=48252436

Two Basic Rules of Public Discussions

1. Discuss the posts, never the person making the post.

2. Accept and respect difference of opinion.
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 2:06:17 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

Two Basic Rules of Public Discussions

1. Discuss the posts, never the person making the post.

2. Accept and respect difference of opinion.

thanks NOV, we will follow these rulese there, when replying that guy. also here.

add one for moderators,

3. When deleting, only delete the suspected wrong sentence, not the others
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 2:08:34 2006. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

2. Accept and respect difference of opinion.

Good point. When a person says "When two cars collide it MUST be shown with an aerial shot", especially when there IS an aerial shot i don't think its an OPINION, i think its just plain STUPID [not referring to the person, but the point].
And you might have to quote this point in every other post in every other thread. Why only here, may i ask???

Since when did stupidity pass of as *opinion*?
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 2:14:16 2006. [Full View]

NOV,
Can you pls let me know the reason for the second warning and deletion?
What was the "personal attack" element in the line?
Do you think you are being consistent?

If the deletion and warning are for making "personal attacks" then you are not looking at other threads, for much worse happens there
Or do the rules say, only personal attacks against the mods in general and NOV in particular warrant deletions, warnings and bans???

From: Girish11 on Tue Sep 5 2:48:14 2006.

Exactly !! this is not MGR and Sivaji era and we do not want Gautham Menon to go back to that era and direct a movie - which would make him look like an idiot.

Quote:

Is chEran an idiot ??

Is KH an idiot ?? (Just finished watching anbE sivam)

summA pEsanumEnnu pEsaathiinga

and sakala, sigappu rOjakkaL is not a serial killer movie but its a VERY WELL MADE crime thriller unlike <>

Someone who considers a "Baasha" kind of movie to be an all time great movie should not say these things I feel. Message??????
C'mon

From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Sep 5 5:52:52 2006. [Full View]

The clash of titans!

By Moviebuzz | Tuesday, 05 September , 2006, 12:53

The Kamal Hassan-Rajnikanth battle at the Tamilnadu box-office has been raging for the last 25 years. Though both claim that they are best of friends, there are few takers for their Dost-Dost theory!
Now it looks like Kamal’s Dasavatharam will take on Rajnikanth’s Sivaji at 2007 summer box-office. For Rajni, April has always been lucky. Two of his blockbusters Padayappa (April 5, 2000) and Chandramukhi (April 14, 2005) were summer releases.

Already producer ‘Oscar’ Ravichandran has told the trade that he is looking for an April 14, 2007 release for his Dasavatharam. He is reported to have sent letters to the “collection king”- Sathyam Cinemas in Chennai, Baba Complex in Coimbatore and a few other theatres requesting them to block their big screens for Dasavatharam for April 14.

As everybody knows, it will the battle for ‘Opening’ that will decide the winner. Though AVM refuses to talk about the release date of Sivaji, sources close to Shankar confirms that it will be a 2007 summer release. For Shankar, summer holidays have always worked (Indian, Jeans, Anniyan).

Chandramukhi released with nearly 205 prints in Tamilnadu alone while Sivaji may touch the magic figure of 300! At Rs 10 Lakhs MG per print it works out to a cool Rs 30 Crore before release! Rajnikanth is the emperor and has a reach from A, B to C stations. Check out the Daily Collection Report (DCR) of Vetayadu Vilayadu in smaller stations and you will know the difference.

At the same time, Kamal is supported this time by the marketing wizard ‘Oscar’ Ravichandran, who has 8 to 10 releases a year. Ravi is the only producer-distributor who can mange to get an MG even from C stations! At the grassroot level, he has tremendous clout and reach among theatres in Tamilnadu.

Kamal Hassan is really lucky that he has the backing of ‘Oscar’ Films, which will ensure that Dasavatharam will be able to take on the might of Rajnikanth and Shankar combo along with AVM’s banner value!

From: kannannn on Tue Sep 5 5:56:18 2006.

"Perfect Flow of Story : Kabhi Alfida na Kehna, Ghajini"
- If this is not a JOKE. what is????? Laughing

Oru paanai sorukku oru soru padham. Actually we should have stopped reading from here!

A_A, I actually stopped reading on seeing this line. Sure, the movie has it's flaws, aana ithellam tooooo much

From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Sep 5 5:58:39 2006. [Full View]

The clash of titans!

By Moviebuzz | Tuesday, 05 September , 2006, 12:53

The Kamal Hassan-Rajnikanth battle at the Tamilnadu box-office has been raging for the last 25 years. Though both claim that they are best of friends, there are few takers for their Dost-Dost theory!
Now it looks like Kamal’s Dasavatharam will take on Rajnikanth’s Sivaji at 2007 summer box-office. For Rajni, April has always been lucky. Two of his blockbusters Padayappa (April 5, 2000) and Chandramukhi (April 14, 2005) were summer releases.

Already producer ‘Oscar’ Ravichandran has told the trade that he is looking for an April 14, 2007 release for his Dasavatharam. He is reported to have sent letters to the “collection king”- Sathyam Cinemas in Chennai, Baba Complex in Coimbatore and a few other theatres requesting them to block their big screens for Dasavatharam for April 14.

As everybody knows, it will the battle for ‘Opening’ that will decide the winner. Though AVM refuses to talk about the release date of Sivaji, sources close to Shankar confirms that it will be a 2007 summer release. For Shankar, summer holidays have always worked (Indian, Jeans, Anniyan).

Chandramukhi released with nearly 205 prints in Tamilnadu alone while Sivaji may touch the magic figure of 300! At Rs 10 Lakhs MG per print it works out to a cool Rs 30 Crore before release! Rajnikanth is the emperor and has a reach from A, B to C stations. Check out the Daily Collection Report (DCR) of Vetayadu Vilayadu in smaller stations and you will know the difference.

At the same time, Kamal is supported this time by the marketing wizard ‘Oscar’ Ravichandran, who has 8 to 10 releases a year. Ravi is the only producer-distributor who can mange to get an MG even from C stations! At the grassroot level, he has tremendous clout and reach among theatres in Tamilnadu.

Kamal Hassan is really lucky that he has the backing of ‘Oscar’ Films, which will ensure that Dasavatharam will be able to take on the might of Rajnikanth and Shankar combo along with AVM’s banner value!

From: kannannn on Tue Sep 5 7:09:07 2006.

message in VV ?? sorry we have to wait until gautham menon direct "CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE TAMIL SOUL" movie to find message in it..this is not MGR or Sivaji era to find message in movie.

NOV wrote:

Message venumna, VJkanth padam thaan paarkanum: Kadhalna ennanu theriyuma, natpunna ennanu theriyuma, kosukadinna ennanu theriyuma, etc..

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 7:57:14 2006.

Rajnikanth is the emperor and has a reach from A, B to C stations. Check out the Daily Collection Report (DCR) of Vetayadu Vilayadu in smaller stations and you will know the difference.

sify indirectly has said [ or has nothing bad, or even goodto say ] that VV is Rocking in A & B Centres

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 7:57:14 2006. [Full View]

"Scene where Kamal was in pursuit of Villain, on his way he will bump into Amuthan on the reverse side of the road"
- That was not Amuthan but Ilamaran. yaarune therila, idhula camera angle pathi ellam.....
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 8:14:00 2006. [Full View]

Sify

Anything to bash Aandavar!

1) It is a well known and accepted fact that VV has broken all openings records in TFM BO [that Sivaji and/or 10A might break it is immaterial] . Sify can't digest this and amidst their diarrhea, they write some B-C DCR crap. Remember, all this from the people who went into hiding without publishing their BO report last week
2) How can they compare CM with VV w.r.t B-C???? We might as well compare Thevar Magan with Baba

Idhellam oru website! kkkhhhhaaa thoooo!
From: MADDY on Tue Sep 5 8:14:03 2006. [Full View]

NOV, i'm really happy that i can bring this to ur notice now:

this hub seems to have a policy:do not post anything that is not good abt kamal.....cos there is zero tolerance for a difference of opinion here......so, if i have any anti-kamal remark then i make it to ppl. around me like in my office,family,frnds circle........that's it.....

also, the ridiculing and character assasination that u undergo on making a unique point here is also very painful.......u make a diff point, then some 4-5 people wud laugh at u, make comments like "u r tasteless", and stuff like that....

(this is also true if u have to make some points against Shivaji Ganeshan, IR, YSR........)

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 8:23:48 2006.

NOV, i'm really happy that i can bring this to ur notice now:

this hub seems to have a policy:do not post anything that is not good abt kamal.....cos there is zero tolerance for a difference of opinion here......so, if i have any anti-kamal remark then i make it to ppl. around me like in my office,family,frnds circle........that's it.....

also, the ridiculing and character assasination that u undergo on making a unique point here is also very painful.......u make a diff point, then some 4-5 people wud laugh at u, make comments like "u r tasteless", and stuff like that....

(this is also true if u have to make some points against Shivaji Ganeshan, IR, YSR........)

Maddy,
Thanks for conveniently pretending not to have read the negative comments about VV made here by Aandavar fans. Infact, the first -ve comments about VV were made by me thro cinefan.

Posting nonsense in the garb of "difference of opinion" etc is mere hogwash. Calling a spade a spade doesn't mean zero tolerance.

Plus, groucho, joe etc are not Kamal fanatics like me or Alien. So, you cant complain about zero tolerance here.

Kannannn, who is a Kamal fan made -ve comments about VV. He laughed at the so-called review by Doraisamy. Is that zero tolerance?
Same with me.

Instead of making sweeping generalizations, why don't you look at the said article and comment on its +ves and -ves? I'm sure that you also disagree with that totally as we do. Just that you want to take advantage of the situation and make your point

If he had talked about the lack or little presence of "brain-work" or investigation like Nerd did a few pages back, THAT is criticism. Although he had points which some of us agree upon, some of the things he sai were, well, laughable - you don't need to be a Kamal fan to find that out!

One more thing, ennamo ARR pathi sonna ARR fans panneer thelichu vaazhthara madhiri pesareenga? Ella edathilayum adhe dhaan boss

From: Kanna on Tue Sep 5 8:23:54 2006. [Full View]

Yet another display of Sify's prejudice when it comes to Kamal. They are very keen on bashing/underplaying VV's success...

Just see the link http://sify.com/entertainment/movies/tamil/boxoffice/

Except for VV's opening BO report, all other BO links will have some kind of short description praising the top movie. They don't have anything to say about VV!!!!
This itself is a clear indication of what Sify has in store for Kamal !

From: Nakeeran on Tue Sep 5 8:27:06 2006.

Digression :

I second Maddy here . I too feel that when it comes to select actors like Shivaji or Kamal , Moderators are a bit lenient but they will not tolerate criticism of Shivaji or Kamal.
If u look at the number of vomiting done in MGR thread in the earlier pages , a neutral moderator would have removed atleast 30 pages out of it . DISGUSTING posts which have no relevance to the thread there .

I am not through yet. Even the bias is there in Ilayaraja related threads as well. No fan of IR can tolerate even an inch of criticism or a sly remark about him while tons & tons will be poured on other composers which will be watched with immense tolerance.
Even the great MSV was not spared in one thread & the plight of ARR is well known here.

Digession ends .

AND IF I SAY THIS, I AM BEING CALLED ANOTHER MADDY or MADDY BECOMES NAKEEE

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 8:32:13 2006. [Full View]

Sample this:
Rajini fan refers to Kamal as "Kamal mama" [I know he clarified saying he didnt mean it in disrespect]
Kamal fan replies by refering to Rajini as "Rasini thatha" which is also a FACT -> Post gets deleted

Two of my posts were deleted just because the hubber in question happened to be NOV, whereas there are posts much worse getting ignored
From: Rajkamal on Tue Sep 5 8:34:08 2006. [Full View]

i got have link for a forum kind of thing called orkut. my friend told that there are some 15,000 kamal fans in orkut. forumhub is bad. so why not kamal fans go to orkut?
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 8:34:12 2006. [Full View]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1882509.cms

Read the last but one paragraph

sori 4 diggressing
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 8:37:31 2006. [Full View]

Message from a fan (from Muscat) who has earlier done auditing for cine industry: Source - http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=53690

Well I think it is time for me to open up. I have done the audit for cine industry (viz, actors, distributors,producers, theatres)
Well there was a period where A,B,C were considered as a bench mark for deciding on the box-office hits. Those were the days when there were more no of theatres. With the no of theatres having reduced and only in the cities and major towns we see concentration of theatres and in the so called C centres you dont find much of theatres. If those keethu kotta talkies is what people are talking about I am sorry we are least bothered about the collection over there.

What sify claims is a crap. How contrasting his title of the topic and the content is? It says "Clash of Titans" but once you read the thread..Kamal is not even given the importance of what Visay,vikram and latest Thimiru guy gets. What a shame Sify has brought to Kamal and Kollywood by saying Kamal is lucky to have OSCAR Ravichandran.

Also the guy has the adoscity saying to refer to their DCR, which itself is a crap and doesnt have a base.

VV - What a whooping opening but for Kamal would this movie got such a opening. Common SIFY think again before you write.

Cheers to Kamal one and only THALAIVAR
From: Alien on Tue Sep 5 8:38:42 2006. [Full View]

Thanks NOV , Ur point well taken ..... Don't worry I'm not going to cum there and argue/discuss ... He is already punished ... ...

BTW Maddy , athenna nakeeran id-layum vanthu thirumba athayE sollanumaa ?
Yeah my tolerance level is very low ..... Why complain that to NOV ?? ...
Ithenna chinna pulla thanamaa ello irukku ...

From: Alien on Tue Sep 5 9:17:33 2006.

Aattu manthaikalukku theriyuma, Dasavathaaram 1000 prints oda release aaaga pOguthendu
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1882509.cms

Read the last but one paragraph

sori 4 diggressing

Sooperabbu !!

... that sify idiot shud read this first ....

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 9:24:02 2006. [Full View]

Alien,Sakala,
10A vidunga.. these guys have mentioned # of prints for CM and didnt mention that VV released a record # of prints!
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 9:26:29 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Alien,Sakala,
10A vidunga.. these guys have mentioned # of prints for CM and didnt mention that VV released a record # of prints!

Hit the Bull's eye !

Can somoe one make a list of foolish mistake Sreedar pillai makes in sify ?? i think the list is growing!
From: NOV on Tue Sep 5 9:31:11 2006. [Full View]

Thanks for all your comments regarding the moderation of this forum. I will be the first to admit my imperfection. But everyone here is free to discuss on any subject/public personality without fear or favour, so long as it it done in good taste.

If any of you feel that any post is out of line, you are welcome to report it by using the "!" icon on the top right hand corner of every post. Any one of the moderators will then do the necessary - within 24 hours.

It is virtually impossible to keep track of each and every post made in the humongous number of threads of the forum.

Alien, my comment was for this forum. Other forums/yahoogroups may have their own methods.

Thanks once again for keeping the forum clean for participation by respectable hubbers.
From: joe on Tue Sep 5 9:34:17 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

joe etc are not Kamal fanatics like me or Alien.

A_A,
I don't know what does fanatic mean exactly .But I am really a hardcore kamal fan.

But in my VV review ,I listed -ve points also.
From: ramdas2005 on Tue Sep 5 9:35:27 2006. [Full View]

I have never understood the whip lashing against kamal with sify leading the parade. I Read the article about clash of titans, i can see what kind of report these guys will write on April 14,2007.
Any update's on VV's BO.
Also there was a special program for Onam by kamal, talking about varied subjects. This was reported by sify in the mallu section.
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 9:41:08 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

A_A,
I don't know what does fanatic mean exactly .But I am really a hardcore kamal fan.

Neenga veriyar illa nu solla vandhen

joe wrote:

But in my VV review ,I listed -ve points also.

Exactly! From a veriyan like me to a fan like you many Aandavar fans have mentioned -ve points, and not only in this thread. Still there is talk that Aandavar/Sivaji/IR fans are intolerant etc....
From: joe on Tue Sep 5 9:47:41 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Still there is talk that Aandavar/Sivaji/IR fans are intolerant etc....

Is it? .Then I must be the most intolerant person since I am Sivaji/kamal/IR fan
From: joe on Tue Sep 5 9:51:07 2006. [Full View]

alwarpet_andavan wrote:

Neenga veriyar illa nu solla vandhen

Actually now I am adakkivasichufying

In old hub Milton(My previous id) and Ksc(Nerd's previous id) often had adi thadi .Nerd should still remember that.
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 9:51:50 2006. [Full View]

All Aandavar fans, please join http://www.orkut.com/CommTopics.aspx?cmm=53690

For invites, mail anbesivam@gmail.com
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 9:54:20 2006. [Full View]

I posted in hte name of Vijay, and joe, i remember you very well.

do u remember me? i am the one who posted some thing like "Bet katturen channenge pannuren" ect. i also remember the punching rep frm u
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 9:56:58 2006. [Full View]

Ore malarum ninaivugalo??

From: joe on Tue Sep 5 9:58:09 2006.

I posted in hte name of Vijay, and joe, i remember you very well.

do u remember me? i am the one who posted some thing like "Bet katturen channenge pannuren" ect. i also remember the punching rep frm u Sad

I remember your name..But forgot the arguement between us ..Anyway ,ethavathu thappa solliruntha maranthiru kanna

From: MADDY on Tue Sep 5 10:07:43 2006. [Full View]

yes A_A, i dont agree even a bit of Arun's review on V V......if he does that detailed-logic-checklist on Ajith/Vijay movies then we might need huge SAN boxes to store those 1000's of .asp & .html files

alien, still u think Nakee is me?? ....that's xactly wat i meant in my previous post - Kamal fans' and pro-kamal feeling in this forum is so huge that u guys are sure that there can be no 2 kamal haters in this entire hub....

sorry for the disgression guys, but this was a point that i had wanted to make for a long time.......dont worry abt -ve reviews of V V .....they are purely opinion based and comes from a small group......

From: great on Tue Sep 5 10:16:27 2006.

why then other American were killed? Not told or developed.

If every you question of urs needs to answered the runtime should 6/7 hours which might not be possible. Those are open for assumption that the girls would have done something against Amudhan.

3) Best Doctors, through the dialogs we can hear them talking about creating cure for aging and stuff. Yet none of the murdered victims were used for that purposes or even remotely portrayed.

Ur question is bit ambigous. But every person has grey shades.

Perfect Flow of Story : Kabhi Alfida na Kehna, Ghajini

Shobba , Ippayae kanna kattuthey !!!! I cant stop laughing at this. There are lots of flaws in Ghajini , dont want to drag it now.

NO COMMENTS ABOUT KARAN JOHAR MOVIE

3) No One would have survived a surgical knife triple insertions, with massive internal bleeding, just cured for duty in a week. Miracle! dont make sense to me.

How about Ghajini in the surya would be hit more than once that too in the head... Nadumandaila Nachunnu adippana

. Has your logical thinking has taken a beating over there

4) It wasn't anything like Khaka Khaka! In terms of camera and editing work. Great foot shots.

compared to KK photography is damn good in VV !!!! No tamil movies has shown US like this before .

Cinematography :
Chandran would have been a better choice.

When i get a chance to direct a movie . I pray the almighty that you should be my producer. I will defn consider Chandran

From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 10:17:23 2006. [Full View]

joe wrote:

I remember your name..But forgot the arguement between us ..Anyway ,ethavathu thappa solliruntha maranthiru kanna

nothing, actually i was bit childish at that time! Apart i felt happy when u was elected as a Mod...keep going with ur good posts
From: sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar on Tue Sep 5 10:19:53 2006. [Full View]

Arun wrote:

why then other American were killed? Not told or developed.

actually, she is a professor and amudhan says something in english, while r aping her, and thats displayed in tail as "nee ennai college la veruppeththi irukka koodaathu" so there ISa reason for that killing. this dude didnt watch the movie properly
From: Rajkumar_mj on Tue Sep 5 10:25:11 2006. [Full View]

http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060911&fname=Movie+Review&sid=1

Throughout the film, Kamal’s Raghavan is a class act: subdued, rarely venting emotions.

From: great on Tue Sep 5 10:25:26 2006.

actually, she is a professor and amudhan says "nee ennai college la veruppeththi irukka koodaatho" so there ISa reason for that killing. this dude didnt watch the movie properly

No he meant other two girls .... actually amuthan will kill the cop when he brings the dead body of the faculty . Photography was awesome in that scene

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 10:39:57 2006. [Full View]

One woman will show them the finger when Ilamaran tries to strike a conversation with her in the train
From: kannannn on Tue Sep 5 10:46:31 2006. [Full View]

Rajkumar_mj wrote:

http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060911&fname=Movie+Review&sid=1

Throughout the film, Kamal’s Raghavan is a class act: subdued, rarely venting emotions.

S. Anand'ku paaratta kooda theriyuma? But good to see him praise nammavar for a change.

From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 10:51:12 2006.

http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060911&fname=Movie+Review&sid=1

Throughout the film, Kamal’s Raghavan is a class act: subdued, rarely venting emotions.

S. Anand'ku paaratta kooda theriyuma? But good to see him praise nammavar for a change.

Parattum bodhum check out the ref to Nayagan

According to S.Anand and the school of "underplay" lovers, showing emotiuon is not good acting.

Even if the protagonist has just been forced to behead another man, or finds his daughter in a brothel, his wife has just been raped and her throat slit, he is supposed to "underplay" it and it will be called 'natural' acting.

From: Nerd on Tue Sep 5 12:12:58 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

Someone who considers a "Baasha" kind of movie to be an all time great movie should not say these things I feel.

huh.. dont twist my words.. When did I say that ?? Actually I had posted my top 10 ever in the top 10 ever thread, go have a look

And why did u bring RK here ?? Just coz am a RK fan ?? So the only way u can defend ur idol is by bringing his competitior in ?? This is what I call incompetence/intolerance etc..,
From: Roshan on Tue Sep 5 13:01:56 2006. [Full View]

Sakalaka ,

I remember you as Vijay and I also remember the arguments you and joe had. Good to know that old hubbers are still around

From: Roshan on Tue Sep 5 13:19:26 2006.

Exactly !! this is not MGR and Sivaji era and we do not want Gautham Menon to go back to that era and direct a movie - which would make him look like an idiot.

Quote:

Is chEran an idiot ??

Is KH an idiot ?? (Just finished watching anbE sivam)

summA pEsanumEnnu pEsaathiinga

naan pEsanumnu pEsala... that write up posted by NOV generally criticises all movies of present era by saying message in a film has gone with MGR and Sivaji era. This is not correct and you are agreeing to it by giving examples. Thanks for that. I also wanted to stress that, majority dont expect messages all the time but would like to see movies with different kind of treatment like VV. I know some of you dont belong to the majority and that doesnt bother us much.

Glad you went back and saw Anbe Sivam just to do a comparison with another Kamal movie VV. That clearly indicates Kamal Hassan can be compared only with Kamal Hassan. Way to go !!

From: Girish11 on Tue Sep 5 13:26:28 2006.

Someone who considers a "Baasha" kind of movie to be an all time great movie should not say these things I feel.

Quote:

huh.. dont twist my words.. When did I say that ?? Actually I had posted my top 10 ever in the top 10 ever thread, go have a look Smile

And why did u bring RK here ?? Just coz am a RK fan ?? So the only way u can defend ur idol is by bringing his competitior in ?? This is what I call incompetence/intolerance etc.., Smile

Kasi, it is frustrating when just for sake of finding -ve pts people come here and say that movie is not good because it does not carry a good message. Are only the movies giving a good message good and the
rest crap? I am not talking about top 10 movies of your choice but
I remember reading your praises for Baasha earlier, so if you have
appreciation for a movie like Baasha then why criticize VV for not having a message?

It does not matter to me whose fan you are, I just mentioned
Baasha bcas that is what I remembered, if it had been Anniyan
or Ghajini etc etc my response would have been the same.

You can complain if you only praise movies giving "message" and not the rest but it is not so in your case.

From: Nerd on Tue Sep 5 14:03:18 2006. [Full View]

Quote:

I remember reading your praises for Baasha earlier, so if you have
appreciation for a movie like Baasha then why criticize VV for not having a message?

OK. I dint whine about VV not containing a message. I was just venting my frustrations after watching the movie. Since Roshan called people who make movies to convey a message, idiots I had to qoute AS/chEran etc..,

Tamil cinema has a genre - masala and baatshah, IMO is the best in that genre. And the taste in masala movies solely depends upon ur favourite actor. For me, billA/thii/paayum puli are better masalas than pEr sollum piLLai, kaakkichchattai etc.., and I love movies like moonRu mudichhu/muLLum malarum/salangai oli/moonRam piRai.

And common girish, VV is not a great movie to be praised by all. Its not a HR to get accolades from 95% of the critics. And you guys should be sportive enough to tolerate -ve points/consturctive critisicm rather than getting jacked up. Its yet another masala movie, may be a bit different thats it
From: leosimha on Tue Sep 5 14:24:10 2006. [Full View]

i saw vv today...but there were some scenes which were cut.....could you guys tell me what were the dialogues and scenes involved....

i am listing out the scenes which were cut.....

1. the 2 psychopath killers enter a train...and after that it is cut....i don't know what happened in the train scene....
2. when kamal returns from usa, he meets all the police officers in a hal, and he admonishes a police officer saying he shouldn't have tortured those 2 killers in the madurai police station like that....
in the flahsback scene, the killer says that he was tortured in the police station....then there was a cut........could you guys tell me what exactly happened in the police station...was he given some 3rd degree treatment or so.....
KAMAL says the torture scene was the main cause for which case they became PSYCHOPATH KILLERS.....the theatre cut it...hopeless theatre...

From: Aalavanthan on Tue Sep 5 14:28:22 2006.

"Scene where Kamal was in pursuit of Villain, on his way he will bump into Amuthan on the reverse side of the road"
- That was not Amuthan but Ilamaran. yaarune therila, idhula camera angle pathi ellam.....

This is what I mentioned about "writing reviews after 1st viewing". Arun Arun, pls. pls. watch the movie twice twice before writing reviews !!

From: Girish11 on Tue Sep 5 14:36:58 2006.

I remember reading your praises for Baasha earlier, so if you have
appreciation for a movie like Baasha then why criticize VV for not having a message?

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OK. I dint whine about VV not containing a message. I was just venting my frustrations after watching the movie. Since Roshan called people who make movies to convey a message, idiots I had to qoute AS/chEran etc..,

Tamil cinema has a genre - masala and baatshah, IMO is the best in that genre. And the taste in masala movies solely depends upon ur favourite actor. For me, billA/thii/paayum puli are better masalas than pEr sollum piLLai, kaakkichchattai etc.., and I love movies like moonRu mudichhu/muLLum malarum/salangai oli/moonRam piRai.

And common girish, VV is not a great movie to be praised by all. Its not a HR to get accolades from 95% of the critics. And you guys should be sportive enough to tolerate -ve points/consturctive critisicm rather than getting jacked up. Its yet another masala movie, may be a bit different thats it Cool

You have yourself mentioned that Tamil cinema has different genres so why compare VV with HR which belong to different genres? You just have to compare it with other masala movies
of today and in that comparion VV is outstanding as per numerous reviews. So there.

I can very well accept -ve pts and criticizm, I do it myself for Kamal movies. I would not go gaga over a VRMBBS and the likes but
the person criticizing has to be consistent and should not criticize
the movie just because the actor starring in the movie is not your idol.

From: Sanguine Sridhar on Tue Sep 5 15:20:37 2006. [Full View]

Me not sure whats happening here...?

Whats wrong if a person post negative comment about a movie?

If people call Ajith-Vijay thread fights are kiddish or crap or idiotic...

Then obviously Shivaji-MGR,Kamal-Rajini,Ilayaraja-ARR or ARR-Yuvan are big craps!

Its a great that some hubber who show off as matured are very very kiddish when there is a clash!!...

From: kannannn on Tue Sep 5 16:23:22 2006.

http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060911&fname=Movie+Review&sid=1

Throughout the film, Kamal’s Raghavan is a class act: subdued, rarely venting emotions.

S. Anand'ku paaratta kooda theriyuma? But good to see him praise nammavar for a change.

Parattum bodhum check out the ref to Nayagan Smile

Actually I was surprised that he even praised Kamal that this point didn't strike me. And even more surprisingly, there were no references to caste in the review.

From: kannannn on Tue Sep 5 16:42:35 2006.

And common girish, VV is not a great movie to be praised by all. Its not a HR to get accolades from 95% of the critics. And you guys should be sportive enough to tolerate -ve points/consturctive critisicm rather than getting jacked up. Its yet another masala movie, may be a bit different thats it Cool

Kasi, NOV's quote of that review was absolutely unnecessary, especially considering that it was not from a hubber. Anyone reading that review would have known how childish it was. The points in the review were bound to evoke criticism and NOV should have known better. As for HR I remember the so-called critics thrashing that too (I lost what little respect I had for Gautam Bhaskaran of 'The Hindu' after that). Ofcourse, now we find people asking why Kamal doesn't make movies like that. The bottom line is, the critics give an impression of disliking every other Kamal movie that it becomes difficult to believe their intentions.

From: Nerd on Tue Sep 5 17:37:35 2006.

Kasi, NOV's quote of that review was absolutely unnecessary, especially considering that it was not from a hubber.

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How many times have we quoted bloggers' views here ??? Are they hubbing too ??

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I dint start it. If you had gone through this new thread, that is what is being happening here.. Elevating the movie to oscar level

I was just trying to say that VV is not that kind of a movie !!

From: Thirumaran on Tue Sep 5 18:07:44 2006. [Full View]

Seems to be so much noise here

what is happening
From: alwarpet_andavan on Tue Sep 5 18:20:28 2006. [Full View]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_Kollywood_films#2000_Onwards

[They havent mentioned what the source of their data is]

From: Prabhu Ram on Tue Sep 5 18:34:06 2006.

http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060911&fname=Movie+Review&sid=1

Throughout the film, Kamal’s Raghavan is a class act: subdued, rarely venting emotions.

S. Anand'ku paaratta kooda theriyuma? But good to see him praise nammavar for a change.

Three stars for a Tamil movie (that too a Kamal movie) is a first time from S.Anand. This is a man who gave 1 or 1.5 stars to Virumaandi/AS.

A year back he wrote a really dumb article trying to say something to the effect that Rajini and Kamal were the bane of the Tamil film industry. A whole bunch of people, including yours truly, wrote letters to outlook tearing him apart for that.http://www.outlookindia.com/rants.asp?date=05/16/2005&type=magazine. So I shall grab some infinitisemally small credit for his restraint Smile

In my email to Outlook I had suggested that they let Namrata Joshi (who writed witty,incisive Bollywood reviews) to take over Tamil reviews section also. Outlook edited out that part Smile

But note that, even this review has a reluctant voice. The whole piece is geared towards setting up for his punchline 'We have to settle for Vettayaadu' . Not the reluctance of a neutral observer who is less than happy with the product. But the reluctance of someone whose job forces him to deign to review 'such' movies. I don't think he will ever do an honest review in his life.

From: Girish11 on Tue Sep 5 19:23:17 2006.