Topic started by Pavalamani Pragasam (@ dialpool-210-214-8-39.maa.sify.net) on Thu Sep 18 20:44:42 .
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vimmi azuthavaLai
aaRRukiRaan
thERRukiRaan
mukaththai En-thi
kanivaay sonnaan,
“kalangkaathE anbE!
Ayal n-aattilE
Oppan-tha paNi
OrE varudan-thaan,
Odi van-thiduvEn,
Kaaththiru kaNNE!”
Odi van-thavan
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KonjsikkoNdirun-thaaL
Than kuzanthaiyai.

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• From: tiruttakkan (@ nhpc.nic.in) on: Fri Sep 19 09:55:08 EDT 2003
  
  hi,
  
  ennanga ippadis sollip pOtteenga?
  
  45.
  
  tiruttakkan
  
  
• From: TN AvargaL (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Fri Sep 19 10:39:49 EDT 2003
  
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  Unga kuzhandhaithaan enRaaL. Oppandha vElaikku pOgum mun manam oppiya bandham vaiththadhaal piRandha kuzhandhai ;-)
  
  
• From: Pavalamani Pragasam (@ dialpool-210-214-8-172.maa.sify.net) on: Fri Sep 19 21:59:42 EDT 2003
  
  TN pretends to misunderstand! Ellai mIRum kaathal paRRi n-aan pEsa virumpuvathillai. PeRRAvarkarkaL sonnavanukku kazuththai n-Itti kaimEl palanum kidaiththaayiRRu enREn. kaathalum, kaththirikkaayum kathaikku uthavaathu enpathu maiyak karuththu.
  
  
• From: siva (@ 61.11.72.125) on: Sat Sep 20 00:40:55 EDT 2003
  
  Pooi va enral thai(mother)
  uyir pooi vanthan magan(son)
  petra vayitril amilam surakka
  salanamilla sayanathil magan
  koopitta kuarlukku odi varum magan
  kathari aluthum kandu kolla villai
  arisi vegavidil athiramurum maganukku
  arisiye annamayirru atrathil
  mannulagam veruthu marithavan
  manithathin magathuvam arinthu
  marumai vendinan
  thann thaikku kadamai aatra
  
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache8-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Sun Sep 21 06:53:42 EDT 2003
  
  Ma'am PP,
  
  ayal naatu pani miga shramamana vishayam. some are fortunate enough to visit their family every year.. some once in 2 years. some once in 4 years..
  
  obviously, when a husband returns abroad after a happy vacation (and union) and the wife delivers a child after 9 months, he won't be there for christening.. by the time he returns next time, the baby may have grown into a toddler in some cases.
  
  I wrote a beautiful poem, when my friend started on vacation on a situation as I described (not like the one you attributed)..
  
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  A similar poem, followed by mine as a strange coincidence was published by the title DUBAI in Vikatan, which was awarded a prize.
  
  
  
  
• From: Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 61.1.207.250) on: Sun Sep 21 08:39:28 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks Surathi. I remmember the award winning kavithai in Vikatan. I am fully aware of the "kodumai" of men working abroad without family status given by their company. What I was concerned while composing this kavithai was the unnecssary "kaadhal" feelings girls entertain due to the effect of media during their college/school days leading to a lot of domestic trouble & disgrace. Most often the guys they believe in are rogues who have no serious intention of marrying - it is "time pass" for them. The girls must understand the reality about these things. If at all both are sincere, in our social system of families strongly adhering to caste, sect, religion factors, elders' sanction is not going to be given. A revolutionary marriage is a lifelong pain & struggle-why choose it? So many considerations go into our arranged marriages which are, when all is said & done, not necssarily harmful.It is best the way it is. Parents should know better & girls better place implicit faith in them. Somehow I get a revolting sensation when I see young couple(mostly students) behaving in an indecent fashion in places like parks & theatres. Whatever criticism I might face for being old fashioned I am against lovemaking before marriage(whether lightly or deeply).In this particular kavithai I have pointed out how tragic the man might feel for the girl's meek or desperate surrender to her parents wish of marrying the man of their choice. She should have known her limitations before tempting the man to love her, believe her. Most girls today are not responsible in their conduct, their control of infatuations. This is my great concern. I cannot imagine how easily they can switch over their loyalties. These are all unnecessary bitter experiences which could best be avoided by concentrating on studies & letting the elders decide their future. The introduction of coeducation for the past 20 years or so is giving rise to lots of mistaken ideas & behaviour patterns. The teachers should take the responsibility of bringing about a balanced, matured interaction of the students. The girls & boys separately form gangs & brag about opposite sex friends in a cinema manner- it is too disgusting to think what the cinema & TV are doing to the youth. The most unforgivable crime committed by the media is abetting the youth to rebel against parents' control. Attraction for the opposite sex is cheaply commercialised. This trend of enjoying temporary relationships is on the increase, seen more & more obviously in public places. And it makes me very sad. That is why I request the youth to WAIT. ATHU ATHUKKU ORU KAALAM IRUKKIRATHU. In our social system let the parents guide you, decide for your life partner.Hope I have made my point clear.
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache8-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Sun Sep 21 10:15:13 EDT 2003
  
  You have covered a very big area. (First, let me salute your writing. Rarely I find people who use words like 'abetting'. Are you studying or practising law? Pls tell me).
  
  I agree with you that there are some signs of decaying values which were traditionally upheld. I understand that your intentions are good. But, your concepts are orthodox as well as conflicting.
  
  If you'dn't be upset with me, I will be frank: The same girl you were referring to in your poem would have surely led a harmonious life with a simple computer operator who worked with her in the same Company with whom she'd've fallen in love.
  
  But, ironically, it's her parents who'd've pushed her into a marriage with a computer engineer working abroad for obvious economic and social reasons. 99% of the marriages wherein husbands work abroad are the so-called 'arranged' marriages.
  
  I am not a good counsellor, ma,am. But, given an opportunity, I'd advise people, not to shun love but to be careful in their choice and deeds. Could we say that, though merits and demerits are present in both the cases, 'arranged marriages' have lesser demerits.
  
  Thank you for taking the pains to share your views.
  
  
• From: Pavalamani Pragasam (@ dialpool-210-214-9-22.maa.sify.net) on: Sun Sep 21 14:32:44 EDT 2003
  
  There are certain areas I am astonishingly modern & there are certain concepts in which I am strongly orthodox. I maintain friendlike relationship with my children & their spouses. I am impatient with women making themselves cheap & men who are unjust. So far as I have seen, in the arranged marriages today the parents do listen to the reasonable desires of their wards and seek alliance accordingly.
  In my kavithai I spoke for the man whom I feel the girl cheated- she should have realised her limitations, whether her parents will approve her choice, whether there were serious factors against her choice. I have no faith in the present day women's power of judgement about choosing a partner. They are so easily misled because of inexperience, shortsightedness. It is unjust to rebel against parents who are, except a few rare cases, sincerely interested in the welfare of their children & who do know what is good for them.
  
  
• From: tiruttakkan (@ nhpc.nic.in) on: Sun Sep 21 23:42:39 EDT 2003
  
  hi surathi,
  
  once again i agree with your middle path.are you writing kavidhai's regularly?
  
  when someone reads my poem in my thread & post his/her opinion , i tend to thank...can you convey this msg to someone whom you admire or you might as well ABET ...
  
  tiruttakkan
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache7-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Mon Sep 22 04:07:00 EDT 2003
  
  Ma'am
  
  I fully agree with your statements as I've listed.
  
  > In the arranged marriages today the parents do listen to the reasonable desires of their wards and seek alliance accordingly
  
  > No faith in the present day women's power of judgement about choosing a partner.
  
  > They are so easily misled because of inexperience, shortsightedness.
  
  Though God has provided them with enough instinct to protect themselves, they do meet with accidents. It's life and life's like that. I do feel your advices would surely guide many of them - whoever has gone through this thread.
  
  That's why, in another thread, I advised women to read your kavithai in "Penkal" which also reflected the similar stream of thoughts you have narrated herein.
  
  Well, it has been a very purposeful discusion. And, I thank you for that. Your husband and children must be very proud of you. Bye.
  
  
  

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