Topic started by ravi (@ 203.94.224.212) on Sun Sep 8 01:52:01 .
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Having known that Tamil is the mother of all languages of the world & that all the tribal languages of this country are proto tamil or sumerian. That most of them are facing extinction for neglect of upper class concsiousness .It is time to introduce as alternate solution to all indians & every indian should accept this with the realistion of patronage of the oldest living language of the world from becomimg extinct. Proper focus should be done by Tamil nadu government along with other southern states .For we owe to this language the worlds finest civilisation & i mean here all the dravidian languages & since all the serenity is still preserved in this language we should try it.

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• From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-125.ri.ri.cox.net) on: Fri Jan 16 20:09:38 EST 2004
  
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• From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-125.ri.ri.cox.net) on: Wed Jan 21 08:56:13 EST 2004
  
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• From: quake (@ 202.68.154.19) on: Fri Jan 23 07:35:32 EST 2004
  
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• From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-125.ri.ri.cox.net) on: Wed Feb 18 12:26:35 EST 2004
  
  Broad-mindedly Dispassionately and in a HEALTHY-SPIRIT without any Prejudice ...towards.... ANY LANGUAGE ...if we try to understand the scope of this Topic... all of us have several points and factors in support of this SENSIBLE Topic-Title.
  
  If somebody says that the Bengali Language should be propogated all over India and even all over the Globe... I will not pounce on him to fight against the sense of his point, even though I am a Non-Bengali, .... but I must try to understand on what grounds he substantiates his point. Some of his supportive arguments may not be logically convincing nor acceptable to me ... Still I must ponder over the other man's point ....
  
  Mainly because... basically speaking Bengali is one of the Rich languages of India... even more valuable and better in several respects than the so called National-Language ...Hindi... (which is thrust on all the Non-Hindi speaking Indians... which misconception itself is detrimental to... ALL INDIANS'....-including Hindi-walas'... future prospects)
  
  In this case... Yes I agree... with the Topic-title.... No doubt it is good for one and all... IN THEIR OWN INTERESTS...for the NON-TAMILIANS too... to learn this highly rich and classical Language of India on which every Indian should be proud of, without any Fanaticism...
  
  ... How & Why?
  
  Why there are such unusual statements proverbs and Gospels even Speaking...Favourably... in a unique and discerning tone on this ...
  
  .... End-cornered language Tamil?... Let us note some of their Proverbs...
  
  ¡Ðõ °§Ã ¡ÅÕõ §¸Ç¢÷ (Yaadhum oorae... Yaavarum-Kaelhir)
  
  The whole Globe is one HOME for we all the Global-citizens... We treat one and all the World-citizens... as our KINSMEN (Brethren)
  
  ¡ý ¦ÀüÈ þýÀõ þù¨ÅÂõ ¦ÀÚ¸.
  
  Let this whole World get the same ENJOYMENT.. as I got.
  
  ¡ÁÈ¢ó¾ ¦Á¡Æ¢¸Ç¢§Ä ¾Á¢ú ¦Á¡Æ¢ §À¡ø þÉ¢¾¡ÅÐ ±íÌõ ¸¡§½ý.
  
  Out of Several Languages I learnt, I do not find anywhere any Language, as SWEET as Tamil.
  
  The greatness of Tamil comparatively not only nationally within India but also Internationally, many Research Scholars have analysed and established that this Language Tamil is far unique and Great enough deserving to be learnt by every section of Mankind in their own interests.
  
  Said so...By not only Tamilians... but also Non-Tamilians... please observe... then you will find there is no justification for anybody's animosity over this God-made Language... similar to... Sanskrit another Great Language of India on which too every Indian should be proud of.
  
  Several Non-Tamilian I.A.S. officers who learnt Tamil voluntarily.. praise this Great Language.
  
  ... Several Non-Indians ... globally too.
  
  They know the True value and Greatness of this Unique and Rich Language
  
  (Please go through my other Threads under this Forum...
  
  ... UNIQUE LANGUAGE TAMIL...HOW?... and...
  
  ... YAAVARUM-KAELHIR)
  
  ..Tamilians only want others too ... to join with them and share with them the similar benefit of enjoyment and advancement as much as they got from this Language... by...
  
  ... BRAIN & HEART... Nothing more... nor Less....
  
  Let the whole World get the BENEFIT OF THIS GREAT LANGUAGE TAMIL... !!
  
  Tamilians have always proved NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY TOO...
  
  ... that their WHOLE-HEARTED GOSPEL is ...
  
  ... "Yaadhum-oorae... YAAVARUM KAELHIR"
  
  ... If anybody is not willing to accept this friendly suggestion...
  
  ... Well... let them keep off from others who are healthy-minded.
  
  
• From: http://www.valaippoo.blogspot.com/ (@ 141.156.201.226) on: Fri Feb 20 12:04:09 EST 2004
  
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• From: charan (@ 202.138.119.197) on: Sat Mar 20 03:28:09 EST 2004
  
  what makes u to think so that tamil is the mother of all languages. first of all try to accept other languages and then speak about propragation of tamil.
  
  
• From: Pradeep Reddy (@ 61.11.78.51) on: Wed Apr 14 06:36:30 EDT 2004
  
  Mr.Srinivasan,
  you said you don't know a bit of bengali then how could you say Bengali is rich??.you have made a very futile attempt to project Tamil as the mother of all languages.i disagree with you.Tamil is the most complicated and most premitive of all Indian contemparory languages.do you think people of India are so broad minded to accept a different language other than their's.be it Telugus or Tamils each one love their languages respectively. wouldn't like to be taken over by other languages.
  
  
• From: ù (@ dialup-mum-203.94.226.83.bol.net.in) on: Thu Apr 22 10:44:48 EDT 2004
  
  With 12 vowels and one neuter which is called as "ayutha
  ezhuththu"and 18 consonents it is by far the first attempt to
  systematise a language into the structured format.
  vowels A wrote:
  > I remember that i presented a paper on tamil grammar a merry go
  > round way back in1989 to IITS_Taramani Chennai.
  > Somehow the article was not published nor any communication
  received
  > to that effect.
  > Unfortunately i did not retain a copy of my research. But the
  logic
  > i developed i recollect now which is as follows.:
  > With 12 vowels and one neuter which is called as "ayutha
  > ezhuththu"and 18 consonents it is by far the first attempt to
  > systematise a language into the structured format.
  > vowels A long and short vowels.
  > All the 18 consonents are in the first order.
  > The neutar or the ayutha ezhuththu was at the predevelopmental
  stage
  > of a structured language but it was clearly defined.
  > consonenets could change its order to second by merely placing it
  > appropriate placve in the word.
  > At the start of the word the consonent is in thefirst order
  > Eg:tha-nneer-cold water.
  > Any where inbetween it acquires second order.
  > Eg:pawna-ga-m-sweet water.
  > At the end of the word it is in the second order.
  > Eg:paw-gu-paw-du=discrminate.
  > va-gu=(divide=split).
  > The second orderof the consonent occuring in the middle and the end
  > of the word can be reduced to first order by adding 1/2 sound of
  > the same consonent before the consonent .
  > Era-th-th-am-blood.
  > pawr-pp-owm=let us see.
  > paw-kk-u=beetel nut.
  > Now we will see how the ayutha ezhuththu was exploited to produce
  > sounds in sanskrit.
  > ka-first order.
  > kha-second order.
  > ga=third order.
  > gha-fourth order.
  > The ha is not a consonent but a neuter or catalyst to produce
  > intermediate orders.
  > ayutha ezhuthu discovered by tamil helped later development of "ha"
  > concept which sanskrit exploited .
  > I personally feel Tamil was structured first in the world by the
  > godlymen and is wholesome and complete dev bhasha and later
  > developed so many languages as sanskrit.
  
  
  the examples presented are put in tamil characters as follows:
  ´¼õ-flow,-pronounced as "odam"µð¼õ-run,flow again,but read as "ottam"
  In the first case the consonent '¼' is read as "da" since the same
  occurs in the middle of the word so in the second order there can be
  only two order of the consonents evn modern english exemplifies this
  like:
  p,b.
  t,d.
  c,j.
  k,g.
  h=is ha in sanskrit and ayutha ezhuththu in tamil.
  
  most of others are combination consonents like f=p+h,
  q=ku=k+u .
  w=u+u
  x=a+k+s
  z=s+h+e+e.
  À¡¸õ=part.Ka tranforms to Ga in the middle.
  À¡ìÌ=beetle nut.here Gu gets reduced to 'ikku'
  
  
  
  kha/gha" as "¸·«' and with that eliminate the need for '‹' in the
  script?
  "¸·«'can be "¸·"and "ig"can be"·ì"."ghan"(musik)can be"¸·¬ý".it
  could be "¸·¡ý" .
  Like this we transliterate sanskrit text but my idea goes beyond
  this.
  Since sanskrit is a derived language from tamil i am in the order of
  fixing sanskrit to tamil orgin not to attempt adapting tamil to
  sanskrit as i told you that sanskri is a derived language.
  I had already told you that we have to eliminate intermediate
  consonents from sanskrit words and adopt tamil equivalent to prove
  that the world is classical tamil or sumerian tamil.There may be
  varients in the process of development cycle of sanskrit.
  One thing comes to my mind is that rg veda could be a product of 1st
  tamil sangam.
  tamil and sankrit are now two school of thoughts emerging from their
  mother sumerian tamil.While formulation of rg veda there might two
  school of thoughts one to restrict phonetics to first order
  consonents and second to elongate to intermediary order this also
  the reason i believe that we can reduce sanskrit to its orginal
  tamil form.
  May be we are making some progress here that may lead into
  understanding better how from the same basic phonology of Sumerian
  the phonology of Sanskrit as different from it developed.
  >
  
  In Tolkaappiyar@yahoogroups.com, "K. Loganathan"
  wrote:
  > Dear VR
  >
  > May be we are making some progress here that may lead into
  understanding better how from the same basic phonology of Sumerian
  the phonology of Sanskrit as different from it developed.
  >
  > In Sk we have pa. pha, ba, bha ka, kha ga gha etc where else in
  Tamil we have only pa, ka but where the remaining phones are taken
  as allophones, contextually avalable.
  >
  > You suggstion appears to be that to the primitive say 'ga' ,
  the 'ha' sound added as ga+ha and tranformed into 'gha' by deleting
  the intemediate '-a' . The laryngeal 'h' was also present in
  Sumerian . See " e &he , kur&hur, gul&hul etc.
  >
  > Can then we write kh/gh as 'ì·' and kha/gha" as "¸·«' and with
  that eliminate the need for '‹' in the script?
  >
  > Loga
  >
  >
  > vraghavan26 wrote:
  > Kha=ik+a+ha.
  > gha=ig+a+ha/ik+ha+a+ha,presuming that ga second order consonent is
  > produced by combination of ik+1/2ha.
  >
  > cha=ich+a+ha
  > jha=ij+a+ha/ich+ha+a+ha
  >
  > tha=it+a+ha
  > dha=idh+a+ha/ith+ha+a+ha
  > fa=ip+a+ha
  > bha=ib+a+ha/ip+ha+a+ha
  > The uniqueness in Tamil is giving importance to mey ezhuththu and
  in
  > combination with vowels produce consonents
  > Ith+a=tha
  > this is not in sanskrit.
  > So what gets exploited so much so is the "ha"produced by tamil
  > ayutham.
  >
  In the process of fixing sanskrit as Tamil/Prototamil/Sumero
  Tamil.THis is my First Attempt =May God (¸¼×û)bless me!!!
  µõ.
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  «Ð «ó§¾¡ À¢Ã-Á-º¢¸ýÂ-¬¨º.
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  thathu-samanvayath ¾Ð ºÁýÅÂò-
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  ®ì„§¾÷ ¿¡ „ô¾õ
  ®ì-(®÷¸)„§¾÷(§º÷-§¾-¿¡) {„ô¾õ(¦º¡ø)transformation of the same word.
  While there is a definitive rule of using consonents and vowels
  in Tamil and is devoid of confusion as regards the order of
  consonents to be used while expressing a particular words there is a
  lot of confusion in respect aryan languages while bhaiya represents
  brother bahan represents sister it is not why the order of the
  consonent "b"changed at the start of the word
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue May 18 22:53:14 EDT 2004
  
  --¡Ðõ °§Ã ¡ÅÕõ §¸Ç¢÷ (Yaadhum oorae... Yaavarum-Kaelhir) --
  Mr.Srinivasan please you better read the whole Song before saying anything like that above. Some people take the first line and represent it meaningless and relate to something with less connection the song has. I'll try to post the song next time.
  
  

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