Re: SIVANIYAM IN SANGAM LITERAURE
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Originally Posted by Uppuma
Purananuru -166 says
Nandru aintha NinimirSadai
Muthumuthalvan Vaipoka
Thondru Purintha Virirandin
Arunarntha Oru MuthuNool PURAM 166: 1-4
This is the reference to God Siva giving Vedas - Rig,Yajur, Sama and Athrva to Munivarkal and this is also confirmed by Tholkappiyam and Tirukural
Uppuma, you don't understand Sangam Tamil, do you! Why do you misinterpret the four lines. Why did you not post the lines in Tamil - afraid readers may know the meaning clearly? You are trying to mislead. Ok -The verse in Tamil Script,
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Where is these lines are the names of the Four sanskritic vedas - the rig, sama, yajur and atharvan mentioned - as you claimed. The poet clearly talk about "oru muthu nool" - one ancient book. That exposed your lies - and stop your lies about Tholkappiyam and Thirukkural as well. Nothing of the vedas there!.
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and I quote Kalithogai for easy reference.
Aru ari Anthanarku Arumarai Pala Pagarnthu Kali 1:1
So?? Where is Rig in here?
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The ancient Tamil King was called PalYagasalai MuthuKudumi and on him the Sangam Song is
Velviyil Kadavul Aruththinai! Kelvi
Vuyarnilai Vulagathu Iyer Inpuruthinai!.... Pathrirrupattu 70:12,13.
How ancient was the king? Any dates? Can YOu please explain the meaning of the Pathirrupathu Song.. Who is that 'velviyil kadavul'? The Third Sangam Period began after Tholkappiam - and contined till === When?? do you know, Mr Uppuma?
The Sangam Period overlapped the Bhakti period .. Some Sanga Pulavars lived after Thirungana Sambandar too. So?? If Sambandar talks of Velvi -- why shouldn't Sanga Pulavars - as a narration of what they witnessesed then!
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Natpe, Every Objective Researcher who can really understand Tamil clearly confirms all this are referring to Vedas and even the name Sama Veda is named in one of the Sangam Songs
Hence let us ignore meaningless postings and constrate on what Sangam Lit. tells on evolution of Sivaniyam in Tamilnadu.
There is very little religion you can extract from Sangam Literature - mostly heroic and love themes only. Keep trying but stop lying!
Saivam in Tamil Literature.
Friends,
I quote back my original from Paripadal-
Aathi anthanan Arinthu pariKoluva
VETHA Mapun Vaiyather Vurnthu
Naga Nana Malai Villaga
Muvagai Areil Orazhal Ambin Muliya
Mathira Mazhalveithu Amarar Velvi
Bagam Vunda PAingat Parppan 5:22-27KaduvaliVeiinar
Natpe- We have MR.Idiyappam who always mistreats and misinterprets Tamil Literaure and its contact with Sanskrit Vedas- which are root of Indian Civilisation. Indian Vedic- Indic.
Now let us see Aathi Anthanan; translate it it is First Brahmin, and I on the Basis of Vedic Tradtion called it Brahma.
Amarar Bagam Vunda Paingat Parppan- Brahmin who eats Devas Yagna part, and I translated it as Siva.
The name Siva, Vishnu, and if my rememberance is riight - the very names does not occur once even in Sangam Lit.
Now Idiayppam has no problem in applying to Brahma and Siva, but when Veda is referred he Comes with Meaningless Postings.
Mr.Idiyappam has been answered several times by PAVANAR and other Quotes, but he spoils each thread, I request Moderators should look.
Uppuma.
Re: Saivam in Tamil Literature.
[quote="Uppuma"]Friends,
I quote back my original from Paripadal-
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Aathi anthanan Arinthu pariKoluva
VETHA Mapun Vaiyather Vurnthu
Naga Nana Malai Villaga
Muvagai Areil Orazhal Ambin Muliya
Mathira Mazhalveithu Amarar Velvi
Bagam Vunda PAingat Parppan 5:22-27KaduvaliVeiinar
Before you start your round-the-bush-beating, Mr Uppuma (solomon), you should first post some details of the poet - when did he live? I have said many times that the Sangam period overlapped the bakti (a far as the Sangam Literatures are dated). Now would you please give a date for the poet, Mr KaduvaliVeiinar.
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Natpe- We have MR.Idiyappam who always mistreats and misinterprets Tamil Literaure and its contact with Sanskrit Vedas- which are root of Indian Civilisation. Indian Vedic- Indic.
Root of Indian civilisation???? Then what happened???
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Now let us see Aathi Anthanan; translate it it is First Brahmin, and I on the Basis of Vedic Tradtion called it Brahma.
Amarar Bagam Vunda Paingat Parppan- Brahmin who eats Devas Yagna part, and I translated it as Siva.
Great - though your translation is wrong and grossly misleading!
A poet sitting down there, looking are the Parppans (Brahmins, as you say) eating Devas roasted in their Yagna Fire, writes the story. So??? So what now?
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The name Siva, Vishnu, and if my rememberance is riight - the very names does not occur once even in Sangam Lit.
Your 'rememberance' is ok you think?? Take a look again!
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Now Idiayppam has no problem in applying to Brahma and Siva, but when Veda is referred he Comes with Meaningless Postings.
I don't understand. Applying what to Brahma and Siva? Nilagiri Thailam? Siva have rheumatic problems? Or Brahma?
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Mr.Idiyappam has been answered several times by PAVANAR and other Quotes, but he spoils each thread, I request Moderators should look.
Yes, and Mr Idiyappam always catches all the flaws in your proofs.
DEvelopment of Saivam in Tamilnadu.
Friends,
Most of you have missed the latest Research Truths.
Dr.M.Deivanayagam from Pavanar School, has in Doctoral Thesis on "Comparitive study if Tirukural, Bible and SaivaSidhantham"
has clearly extablished, that Saivam and Vaishnavam are a branch of Christianity; developed from the Missionary work of Apostle Saint. Thomas disciple of Our Lord- Jesus. Tiruvalluvar wrote Kural from Bible, and Saivam developed as an Indian form of Christianity.
I would provide various links in my next postings.
PaulThomas
Re: DEvelopment of Saivam in Tamilnadu.
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Originally Posted by paulthomas
Friends,
Most of you have missed the latest Research Truths.
Dr.M.Deivanayagam from Pavanar School, has in Doctoral Thesis on "Comparitive study if Tirukural, Bible and SaivaSidhantham"
has clearly extablished, that Saivam and Vaishnavam are a branch of Christianity; developed from the Missionary work of Apostle Saint. Thomas disciple of Our Lord- Jesus. Tiruvalluvar wrote Kural from Bible, and Saivam developed as an Indian form of Christianity.
I would provide various links in my next postings.
PaulThomas
Solomon, who is this Pavanar school Doctor?
Wasn't that guy from Universitato di Vaticano?