Who is the best Play back singer ---- TMS or SPB.

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Topic started by RajaRam on Fri Oct 14 7:46:50 2005.

TMS ruled Tamil cinema in 60s and 70s and had given his voice to MGR and SHIVAJI TWo giants of tamil cinema of those days.

SPB also ruled Tamil cinema in 70s and 80s and had given his voice to KAMAL and RAJINI TWo giants of tamil cinema of these days.

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From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 14 7:49:43 2005.

SPB....SPB....SPB...SPB...SPB..SPB...SPB..SPB....SPB....SPB....SPB...SPB...SPB...SPB...SPB...SPB.......SPB
From: svaisn on Fri Oct 14 8:05:25 2005.

SPB is the BEST..

when TMS was there... .theyt had to use PBS or AMRaja for gemini, ravichandran or Jaishankar..

whereas SPB was able to sing for RAJNI, KAMLA, KARTHIK, MURALI and even Dhanush, Simbu
From: alwarpet_andavan on Fri Oct 14 8:16:42 2005.

Balu Sir, of course.....
From: Sanguine Sridhar on Fri Oct 14 8:29:56 2005.

For a moment i thought it was PBS... because i m a big fan of PBS...
Every body said Balu ..no second thought that he is the best..but huh! TMS was great..
From: karthik_sa2 on Fri Oct 14 8:31:50 2005.

well a real tough one indeed.both of them r great singer in their own rights.

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when TMS was there... .theyt had to use PBS or AMRaja for gemini, ravichandran or Jaishankar..

whereas SPB was able to sing for RAJNI, KAMLA, KARTHIK, MURALI and even Dhanush, Simbu

for that matter TMS has also sung several songs not only for MGR and SIVAJI but also for gemini,jaishankar,ravichandran,muthuraman,and even for nagesh and TS.balaya.all of them very popular songs.while, he sanG for mgr and sivaji,he cud easily modulate his voice even to suit comedians<nagesh etc>he cud sing classical songs as well as light also with equal felicity.so i wud rate both spb and tms equal.

joe i wud like to know ur opine on this TMS or SPB
From: interz on Fri Oct 14 9:10:47 2005.

another thread which should be moved to music section, this is movie section!!!
From: Thiru on Fri Oct 14 9:11:22 2005.

I think there are multiple threads in the TFM (current topics) forum comparing different singers, but you can have one here too..
From: RajaRam on Fri Oct 14 9:31:00 2005.

Though I am also SPB fan, TMS is also an extraordinary man.

If you hear MGR songs It will looks like MGR Voice.
If you hear sivaji songs It will looks like Shivaji voice.

In high pitch songs TMS is the Best(IMO).

Enge nimmadhi.......,
Andha naal yabaham nenjile vandhdhe....
chakkai podu podu Raja.....

in those songs TMS was amazing(here I have mentioned only few songs).

In duet,solo,Sad songs His voice is amazing.

Where as Balu has soft voice. he is not good in high pitch songs compared with TMS.
From: Thiru on Fri Oct 14 10:08:58 2005.

Raghu, where are you??

From: Sanguine Sridhar on Fri Oct 14 10:11:22 2005.

RajaRam wrote:

Though I am also SPB fan, TMS is also an extraordinary man.

If you hear MGR songs It will looks like MGR Voice.
If you hear sivaji songs It will looks like Shivaji voice.

In high pitch songs TMS is the Best(IMO).

Enge nimmadhi.......,
Andha naal yabaham nenjile vandhdhe....
chakkai podu podu Raja.....

in those songs TMS was amazing(here I have mentioned only few songs).

In duet,solo,Sad songs His voice is amazing.

Where as Balu has soft voice. he is not good in high pitch songs compared with TMS.

Boss wht abt satham illadha thanimai keteyn frm amarkalam...esp the end of the song...that is High pitch

From: hi on Fri Oct 14 10:30:36 2005.

RajaRam wrote:

ya very true

From: RajaRam on Fri Oct 14 10:36:42 2005.

Quote:

Boss wht abt satham illadha thanimai keteyn frm amarkalam...esp the end of the song...that is High pitch

If you hear 'Enge nimmadhi' song, you will feel the difference.
From: RajaRam on Fri Oct 14 10:50:50 2005.

pasamalar-malarndhum maladadha........
Pudhiya paravai- Enge nimmadhi..........
vasandha maaligai-Oru kinnathi........

In the above songs(only few I have mentioned here) you can see the power of TMS.
From: karthik_sa2 on Fri Oct 14 12:56:17 2005.

the difference is TMS sings highpitch songs with ease but thats not the case with spb.
From: nilavupriyan on Fri Oct 14 12:57:27 2005.

karthik_sa2 wrote:

the difference is TMS sings highpitch songs with ease but thats not the case with spb.

TMS is not as sweet as spb....

listen to "kaadhalin dheepamondru"....
From: Nerd on Fri Oct 14 13:00:32 2005.

karthik_sa2 wrote:

the difference is TMS sings highpitch songs with ease but thats not the case with spb.

Listen to munpaniyaa from nandhaa and kaadhal rOjavE from rOja (esp. the lines ennaanadhO EdhaanadO sol sol). I have just given two examples of SPB's prowess in high-pitched songs
From: j.chenkalvarayan on Fri Oct 14 13:01:41 2005.

IMHO it is k.j.yesudas.
From: karthik_sa2 on Fri Oct 14 13:02:52 2005.

though both r capable of singing highpitched and melodious songs IMO highpitch songs'na TMS best and soft melodies'na spb best.
From: Sanjeevi on Fri Oct 14 13:06:06 2005.

both SPB and KJJ.
TMS was successful singer but I couldn't listen his voice in the headphone or at nice mood.

From: Sanjeevi on Fri Oct 14 13:13:01 2005.

svaisn wrote:

SPB is the BEST..

when TMS was there... .theyt had to use PBS or AMRaja for gemini, ravichandran or Jaishankar..

whereas SPB was able to sing for RAJNI, KAMLA, KARTHIK, MURALI and even Dhanush, Simbu

Nice point karthik. But another reason greater than the above is for SPB i.e., even ARR and next came MDs couldn't reject SPB due to his wonderful voice. Note that TMS was rejected by IR and other MDs followed.

From: karthik_sa2 on Fri Oct 14 15:23:31 2005.

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IR and TMS both egoistic characters thats y they split up

From: karthik_sa2 on Fri Oct 14 15:29:49 2005.

Quote:

both SPB and KJJ.
TMS was successful singer but I couldn't listen his voice in the headphone or at nice mood.

listen to the song "yaar andha nilavu" ,"gnyairu enbadhu"they r equivalent to any great songs of spb.not only that song but there r many to list.

it shows that u have not listened to most of the TMS songs.they r truly gold
From: joe on Fri Oct 14 17:52:58 2005.

karthik..thanks for inviting me.

Hope you know I am a big fan of Nadigar thilagam.I am also a big fan of MGR songs.

No doubt TMS is a legend. No body can match with TMS in manly voice and exact pronounciation of tamil words.

But I don't know why my heart goes with SPB .The reason is simple ..'Versatile'..Man SPB can sing any kind of songs .

Some singers are fit for only few types of songs .when you think about graceful voice ,KJ Jesudas comes in your mind. KJ Jesudas is the best for melody type of songs ..But still SPB sung numerous melody songs ..I mean ,even SPB cannot match with KJ Jesudas in melody and karnatic based songs ,still SPB gave that kind of songs in his own style ..Still he is comparable ..But when it comes to fast based songs ,songs with fun and laugh ,KJ Jesudas surely can't come near SPB ..That is my humble ipinion.

Take this song .."kattukkuyilu manasukkulla" from Thalapathi sung by both KJ and SPB ...no offence ..SPB steal the song from KJ.

My conclusion is

SPB can match 90% of typical KJ type songs.
KJ can match only 70% of typical SPB songs.

I can't imagine How it will be if KJ sing songs like 'Rakkamma kaiyya thattu' ,'Ilamai itho ithoo' ,'Poopoota thavani' etc.
But SPB has given 'Nilave Vaa' ,which is nothing less than KJ standard.

I am comparing SPB with KJY instead of TMS ,since TMS belongs to different generation.

TMS also capable of all sorts of songs ..from 'malanthum malaratha' marvellous medlody to dappankuththu 'Adi ennadi rakkamma'..But for me SPB has slight edge.
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 14 17:55:36 2005.

Both are legends of their own times. Am not sure if you can really compare them. There could be no MGR or Sivaji without TMS. Likewise no Rajini or Kamal without SPB....
From: joe on Fri Oct 14 18:10:07 2005.

Sanjeevi wrote:

both SPB and KJJ.
TMS was successful singer but I couldn't listen his voice in the headphone or at nice mood.

aa haa..Few songs you need to listen before passing this kind of statement

1. Neerodum vaigayile
2. malarnthum malaratha
3. Naan malarodu thaniyaga yen ingu
4. Yaar antha nilavu
5. kadavul irukkintran athu un kanuku therikiratha
6. OOdum megangale Oru sol keliro
7. Oraayiram paarvaiyile
8. vantha naal muthal intha naal varai
9. Kan pona pokkile kaal pogalama
10 .Ozhi mayamana ethir kaalam
11. kallellam maanikka
12. amaithiyana naithiyinile

List will go on and on...Pls don't rate a singer with your modern digital facility.
From: m_23_bayarea on Fri Oct 14 18:15:08 2005.

Thanks for that excellent list Joe. Got to download them first....Add these too, the ones that come to my mind at once...

Ulagam Piranthathu Enakkaga
Moondrazhuthil en moochirukum
Andru Vanthathum ithae nilaa
Rajavin paarvai
Anbe Vaa
Naan paarthathile aval oruthiyai thaan

etc etc...
From: rajeshkrv on Fri Oct 14 18:26:44 2005.

Paatum naane Bhavamum naane .. is enough to showcase TMS's talent.

Both are great in their own style but TMS had the Punch!!
From: joe on Fri Oct 14 18:36:57 2005.

Though My personal choice is SPB over TMS with narrow margin ,I admitt most of the songs I still wanted to listen and listen and by-heart are TMS songs.

MSV-Kannadasan-TMS combination is the best combination so far.
From: interz on Fri Oct 14 19:18:35 2005.

SPB!!! grew up listening to his songs, dont know much about Tms, but kudos to him too if he is that good as you claims.
From: Alien on Fri Oct 14 21:15:45 2005.

j.chenkalvarayan wrote:

IMHO it is k.j.yesudas.

IMHO too.
I love both KJY & SPB , but i feel KJY's voice is somthing more special . I haven't listened to much of TMS
From: rachel on Fri Oct 14 21:37:38 2005.

i love SPB's voice than TMS's.

but i like TMS songs too...

some of my favourites
1. ponnai virumbum bhoomiyillae
2. koodi asaiththaum kaatru vaannthetha
3. orragiram parvaiyillae
4. oodum magangalae oru soll karliro

From: j.chenkalvarayan on Fri Oct 14 22:38:42 2005.

vasanth_luv wrote:

j.chenkalvarayan wrote:

IMHO it is k.j.yesudas.

IMHO too.
I love both KJY & SPB , but i feel KJY's voice is somthing more special . I haven't listened to much of TMS Embarassed

naan k.j.y, avarin kuralukku adimai.

From: rachel on Fri Oct 14 22:44:28 2005.

i don't like kjjesudas at all....
he's got a sad voice

i think he is the one who sang 'oru vellai malai polikintrathu" from roja....am i right?
i love that song..but not his voice..

From: Alien on Fri Oct 14 23:13:24 2005.

rachel wrote:

i don't like kjjesudas at all....
he's got a sad voice Sad

i think he is the one who sang 'oru vellai malai polikintrathu" from roja....am i right?
i love that song..but not his voice..

Hey ! that was by Unni Menon

KJY has got a sad voice !!??!!

He's got a unique voice unlike SPB ...KJY's voice is of great clarity , which many lacks, even SPB

From: Justice on Fri Oct 14 23:22:21 2005.

don't tell anyone

I like SPB and KJ equally.

but SPB has sung many of my favourite songs

From: rachel on Sat Oct 15 3:19:23 2005.

vasanth_luv wrote:

rachel wrote:

i don't like kjjesudas at all....
he's got a sad voice Sad

i think he is the one who sang 'oru vellai malai polikintrathu" from roja....am i right?
i love that song..but not his voice..

Hey ! that was by Unni Menon

KJY has got a sad voice !!??!! Shocked

He's got a unique voice unlike SPB ...KJY's voice is of great clarity , which many lacks, even SPB

From: Scale on Sat Oct 15 4:05:36 2005.

joe wrote:

karthik..thanks for inviting me.

But I don't know why my heart goes with SPB .The reason is simple ..'Versatile'..Man SPB can sing any kind of songs .

Some singers are fit for only few types of songs .when you think about graceful voice ,KJ Jesudas comes in your mind. KJ Jesudas is the best for melody type of songs ..But still SPB sung numerous melody songs ..I mean ,even SPB cannot match with KJ Jesudas in melody and karnatic based songs ,still SPB gave that kind of songs in his own style ..Still he is comparable ..But when it comes to fast based songs ,songs with fun and laugh ,KJ Jesudas surely can't come near SPB ..That is my humble ipinion.

Take this song .."kattukkuyilu manasukkulla" from Thalapathi sung by both KJ and SPB ...no offence ..SPB steal the song from KJ.

My conclusion is
SPB can match 90% of typical KJ type songs.
KJ can match only 70% of typical SPB songs.

I can't imagine How it will be if KJ sing songs like 'Rakkamma kaiyya thattu' ,'Ilamai itho ithoo' ,'Poopoota thavani' etc.
But SPB has given 'Nilave Vaa' ,which is nothing less than KJ standard.

I am comparing SPB with KJY instead of TMS ,since TMS belongs to different generation.

TMS also capable of all sorts of songs ..from 'malanthum malaratha' marvellous medlody to dappankuththu 'Adi ennadi rakkamma'..But for me SPB has slight edge.

Mr. Joe,

Good comparison & apt points. SPB

. KJY can mesmerise you by his sweet voice. He can sing any type of melodies, slow paced songs but even for a little fast,rhythm based songs his melodious (voice) kills the essence of the song. (ex) Daud ...Oh Bhavre

But, What about the following songs? Can KJY sing or even think of attempting,

a) Thanga thamarai maghale - Minsara kanavu
b) Oda kara marimuthu - Indhra
c) Kathirikka Kathirikka - Duet
d) Ajith song in attgasam & Mannil intha kaadhal
e) Rathiri nerathil - anjali
f) Annatha aduvar votthiko,Raja kaiya vacha, devuda..
e) Kuthu songs (Many IR songs).

& many more

From: saradhaa_sn on Sat Oct 15 4:07:58 2005.

joe wrote:

Sanjeevi wrote:

both SPB and KJJ.
TMS was successful singer but I couldn't listen his voice in the headphone or at nice mood.

aa haa..Few songs you need to listen before passing this kind of statement

1. Neerodum vaigayile
2. malarnthum malaratha
3. Naan malarodu thaniyaga yen ingu
4. Yaar antha nilavu
5. kadavul irukkintran athu un kanuku therikiratha
6. OOdum megangale Oru sol keliro
7. Oraayiram paarvaiyile
8. vantha naal muthal intha naal varai
9. Kan pona pokkile kaal pogalama
10 .Ozhi mayamana ethir kaalam
11. kallellam maanikka
12. amaithiyana naithiyinile

List will go on and on...Pls don't rate a singer with your modern digital facility.

Yes joe, there are many many mild songs of TMS...

13) Chella kiliye mella pesu
14) Chella kiligalaam palliyile
15) Enna paravai siragadithu vinnil parakirathaa..
16) Tottu thottu paadavaa
17) Sirithu sirithu ennai siraiyilittai
18) Neramithu...neramithu (by IR)
19) Endhan pon vanname (by IR)
20) Sithiram pesuthadi

list is long...........

From: saradhaa_sn on Sat Oct 15 4:23:49 2005.

The title says SPB vs TMS, but here discussions going on here about SPB vs KJY.

I THINK COMPARISON OF SPB WITH KJY IS SUITABLE HERE, because

TMS belongs to previous generation. No doubt he is a legend in Tamil songs, but now his tone is not suitable for any of the present actors. He is genious in voice modulations suitable to MGR, Sivaji, Jaishanker, Ravichandran and even for Nagesh (nobody can forget the songs 'avalukenna azahgiya mugam' and 'muthu kulikka vaarigalaa'). But now he is away from Tamil movies.

But both SPB and KJY are in same period and still singing. Their voice also suitable for present actors.

So comparing TMS with SPB is itself an un-digestable one. Several persons who posted here openly declared that they did not hear TMS songs. Then how it will be proper discussion?.

So it is better discuss about SPB and KJY here.

It is my humble openion.
From: j.chenkalvarayan on Sat Oct 15 6:39:40 2005.

i too can point out many instances where spb sir will pale in comparison. kjy sir had deliberately stayed away from those songs you mentioned scale
cos he sees it more like a religion than a profession.

songs which comes to my mind instantly mari mari ninae , shindhiya venmani .

scale anna please refrain from downgrading those persons who have fallen short of your favour.
From: Alien on Sat Oct 15 6:57:07 2005.

//kjy sir had deliberately stayed away from those songs
Thats true !

There r some songs of that kind though, like "thaNNi thoTTi thedi ...." from Sindhu Bairavi , which i thought was excellent, better than how that song could have been done by SPB ! Why i feel like that is KJY's graceful voice that can't be matched by SPB. Another ex:- could be "en iniya pon nilavE.." ....
That clarity in his voice would make any song immortal

What i love in SPB is his versatility(mainly cos his voice is not that unique, compared to KJY) which enables him to match even dhanush !

From: Scale on Sat Oct 15 12:55:46 2005.

j.chenkalvarayan wrote:

i too can point out many instances where spb sir will pale in comparison. kjy sir had deliberately stayed away from those songs you mentioned scale
cos he sees it more like a religion than a profession.

May be! But he has sung many seducing item songs too

....

Quote:

scale anna please refrain from downgrading those persons who have fallen short of your favour.

Thappa purinjirukiteengha JC

! Read my earlier posts again and I never degraded him

.

Pachai kiligal tholodu patta yeppa kettalum, visual paarthalum naan aluthuirukkiren. Avar meethu irukkum mathippum mariyadhaiyum desam song "thai sollum thalattu" varai needikirathu. Pls read the title again, Who is the best playback singer SPB or (replace TMS w/ KJY).

Exactly Vasanth!

vasanth_luv wrote:

What i love in SPB is his versatility which enables him to match even dhanush ! Shocked

From: karthik_sa2 on Sat Oct 15 15:54:15 2005.

Quote:

The title says SPB vs TMS, but here discussions going on here about SPB vs KJY.

I THINK COMPARISON OF SPB WITH KJY IS SUITABLE HERE, because

TMS belongs to previous generation. No doubt he is a legend in Tamil songs, but now his tone is not suitable for any of the present actors. He is genious in voice modulations suitable to MGR, Sivaji, Jaishanker, Ravichandran and even for Nagesh (nobody can forget the songs 'avalukenna azahgiya mugam' and 'muthu kulikka vaarigalaa'). But now he is away from Tamil movies.

But both SPB and KJY are in same period and still singing. Their voice also suitable for present actors.

So comparing TMS with SPB is itself an un-digestable one. Several persons who posted here openly declared that they did not hear TMS songs. Then how it will be proper discussion?.

So it is better discuss about SPB and KJY here.

It is my humble openio

yes saradha_sn u r right but i thought this thread wud atleast enable some of the present generation to listen to TMS songs.i personally feel that TMS never got the recognition what he deserved simply bcos many have not listened to his songs at all.though the comparison doent make any sense,lets just discuss about TMS,spb and KJY the three legendary singers of tfm in this thread.its great to see some of the great melodies of TMS has been listed and thanx for letting some of the people know that tms was also great in singing melodies.

From: karthik_sa2 on Sat Oct 15 16:24:16 2005.

Quote:

karthik..thanks for inviting me.

Hope you know I am a big fan of Nadigar thilagam.I am also a big fan of MGR songs.

No doubt TMS is a legend. No body can match with TMS in manly voice and exact pronounciation of tamil words.

But I don't know why my heart goes with SPB .The reason is simple ..'Versatile'..Man SPB can sing any kind of songs .

Some singers are fit for only few types of songs .when you think about graceful voice ,KJ Jesudas comes in your mind. KJ Jesudas is the best for melody type of songs ..But still SPB sung numerous melody songs ..I mean ,even SPB cannot match with KJ Jesudas in melody and karnatic based songs ,still SPB gave that kind of songs in his own style ..Still he is comparable ..But when it comes to fast based songs ,songs with fun and laugh ,KJ Jesudas surely can't come near SPB ..That is my humble ipinion.

Take this song .."kattukkuyilu manasukkulla" from Thalapathi sung by both KJ and SPB ...no offence ..SPB steal the song from KJ.

My conclusion is

SPB can match 90% of typical KJ type songs.
KJ can match only 70% of typical SPB songs.

I can't imagine How it will be if KJ sing songs like 'Rakkamma kaiyya thattu' ,'Ilamai itho ithoo' ,'Poopoota thavani' etc.
But SPB has given 'Nilave Vaa' ,which is nothing less than KJ standard.

I am comparing SPB with KJY instead of TMS ,since TMS belongs to different generation.

TMS also capable of all sorts of songs ..from 'malanthum malaratha' marvellous medlody to dappankuththu 'Adi ennadi rakkamma'..But for me SPB has slight edge

yes joe i know u r a big fan of sivaji ganeshan and thatsy i invited u here and ur points and the list of TMS songs u gave clearly proves that u have a great ears to old songs.

yes as u have mentioned kjy is the best suited esspecacilly for carnatic and soft melodies but he never proved good when it came to fast or dapankuthu songs and spb is the bset for dapankuthu,fast and melody songs but he is technically weak in carnatic . talking about versatality,TMS proved his mettle in all the above mentioned type of songs classical< was techincally very good in carnatic l>,dapankuthu and fast songs.so...

From: karthik_sa2 on Sat Oct 15 16:36:24 2005.

some of my fav classical songs of tms

1.isai kaetal puvi asaindhadum
2.chithiram paesudhadi<tough song though doesnt look like that>
3.paatum naane
4.chinnan chiiriya vanna paravai<another tough song>
5.madhavi ponmayilam
6.vasantha mullai
7.kurangil irundhu pirandhavan

those of u who have not listened to these songs including the songs listed by joe,sadhana_sn and rachel pls listen to them as well.u can get them in mohankumars.com or coolgoose.com or raaga.com pls listen to them
From: joe on Sun Oct 16 7:14:04 2005.

Kartik,
Totally agree with you..I am also glad that atleast now some people come to know the greatness of TMS.

Just now I watched 'Chandramuki' function on SUN tv in which TMS was honoured by Sivaji Productions ..They even telecasted clips from songs 'Iravinil attam' (Navarathiri) and 'Antha naal Gnapagam' ..

I feel happy to see TMS was honoured.

I am not that old ,people may assume (Just because I am huge sivaji fan) .Basically I born and brought up in village(in TN) ,where people always listen Srilankan Radio from morning to night ..In early 80's ,when I was a school boy ,TV has not reached my home ..so my closest friend was Srilanka Radio ..Nobody can beat Srilankan radio in broadcast songs as collection of some meaning and uniqueness..So basically I brought up with mostly TMS songs and MGR,Sivaji movies.
From: Raghu on Mon Oct 17 2:57:40 2005.

Sanjeevi wrote:

both SPB and KJJ.
TMS was successful singer but I couldn't listen his voice in the headphone or at nice mood.

From: Raghu on Mon Oct 17 3:12:02 2005.

vasanth_luv wrote:

rachel wrote:

i don't like kjjesudas at all....
he's got a sad voice Sad

i think he is the one who sang 'oru vellai malai polikintrathu" from roja....am i right?
i love that song..but not his voice..

Hey ! that was by Unni Menon

KJY has got a sad voice !!??!! Shocked

He's got a unique voice unlike SPB ...KJY's voice is of great clarity , which many lacks, even SPB

with due respect to Dr.KJY, he has great clarity, man him being a mallu cant pronounce Tamizh words properly, though thamizh and malayala, are so similar

Dr.SPB is a class of it's own, Dr.KJY is very Monotonous, he has no punch in his voice, he ie NEVER versatile, just good in melodies and karnatic based songs, where else Dr.SPB he can sing any song, his voice is the BEST, he has dubbed voice for many actors Including legends like Kamal, in fact most of Kamal's telugu dubbed films are with Dr.SPB's voice, Dr.SPB's bass can NEVER be beaten by any singers at all, the song 'Thuli thulli neepaadama seethaiyamma' Dr.SPB touches the lowest note, this has NEVER been done by any singers as far as i know

From: mr_karthik on Mon Oct 17 4:33:44 2005.

joe wrote:

Kartik,
Totally agree with you..I am also glad that atleast now some people come to know the greatness of TMS.

Just now I watched 'Chandramuki' function on SUN tv in which TMS was honoured by Sivaji Productions ..They even telecasted clips from songs 'Iravinil attam' (Navarathiri) and 'Antha naal Gnapagam' ..

I feel happy to see TMS was honoured.

I am not that old ,people may assume (Just because I am huge sivaji fan) .Basically I born and brought up in village(in TN) ,where people always listen Srilankan Radio from morning to night ..In early 80's ,when I was a school boy ,TV has not reached my home ..so my closest friend was Srilanka Radio ..Nobody can beat Srilankan radio in broadcast songs as collection of some meaning and uniqueness..So basically I brought up with mostly TMS songs and MGR,Sivaji movies.

Mr. Joe, I also fully agree with you, because I am also from a rural village of Thanjavur district, one among the fans who listened songs from the great 'Ilangai vAnoli'.

Oru sAthArana pAdalai kooda, migavum rasanaiyOdu aRimugam seyvArgaL (we can never forget B.H.Abdul Hameed, K.S.Raja, Abdul jabbar..etc)

I already mentioned about TMS honoured in Chandramukhi function, in Chadramukhi thread. It shows how thankful Sivaji Productions is.

From: RajaRam on Mon Oct 17 6:00:37 2005.

With out MSV,kannadasan,TMS,susheela we cann't imagine Tamil cinema.

Here We cann't compare SPB vs KJy.

Because KJY(IMO) is not a versatile singer.

(I think )even though most of the hubbers are below 25 , we cann't omit TMS achivement in Tamil cinema.

some of the best solo songs of TMS.

1.Andha naal gyabaham( Shivaji-uyarndha manidhan)
2.Yarai nambi naan porandhen(shivaji-vietnam veedu)
3.Un kannil neer valindhal("").
4.kettadhai koduppavane(Shivaji-deiva mahan)
5.Enge nimmadhi(shivaji-pudhiya paravai).
6.kanna neeyum naanuma(shivaji-gowravam)
7.veedu varai uravu(padakanikkai)
8.malarndhum malaradha(shivaji-pasamalar)
9.thoongadhe thambi (MGR-Nadodi mannan)
10.thirudahe(MGR-Thirudadhe)
11.puthan esu(MGR-Chandrodayam)
12.chatti chuttadhada(shivaji-alayamani)
13.pavadai thavani(padithal mattum podhuma)
14.pattum naane(shivaji-thiruvilayadal)
15.chinna payale(MGR-Arasilangumari)
16.irandu manam vendum(Shivaji-vasandha maalihai)

more to come............
From: RajaRam on Mon Oct 17 6:06:38 2005.

in some songs TMS is unique(no body(including SPB) can do like that).

1.yarai nambi naan porandhen..
2.kanna neeyum nanuma........(indha paatai kettal enakku udambu appadiye pullarikkum)
3.andha naal nyabaham...
4.enge nimmadhi......
5.irandu manam........
From: RajaRam on Mon Oct 17 7:14:57 2005.

some of TMS melody songs...

1.pen ponal.......(MGR-Enga veettu pillai)
2.Andru vandhadhu.......(MGR-periya idathu pen)
3.aha mella nada......(shivaji-pudhiya paravai)
4.parakkum pandhu......(MGR-parakkum pavai)
5.poo malaiyil........(shivaji-ponnunjal)
6.Mellapo.......(MGR-kavalkaran)
7.kodi asaindathum..(Shivaji-PPT)
8.Amaithiyana nadhiyile...(shivaji-Andavan kattali)
9.madimeedhu thalai...(shivaji-Annai illam)
10.kalyana naal parka...(MGR-parakkum pavai)

From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Oct 17 14:02:06 2005.

joe wrote

Quote:

Just now I watched 'Chandramuki' function on SUN tv in which TMS was honoured by Sivaji Productions ..They even telecasted clips from songs 'Iravinil attam' (Navarathiri) and 'Antha naal Gnapagam' ..

I feel happy to see TMS was honoured.

yes joe it was really hearteneing to see sivaji productions honouring TMS in that chandramukhi function.TMS has indeed contributed a lot to his<sivaji>success.it was like honouring sivaji himself.

From: karthik_sa2 on Mon Oct 17 14:07:41 2005.

Quote:

some of TMS melody songs...

1.pen ponal.......(MGR-Enga veettu pillai)
2.Andru vandhadhu.......(MGR-periya idathu pen)
3.aha mella nada......(shivaji-pudhiya paravai)
4.parakkum pandhu......(MGR-parakkum pavai)
5.poo malaiyil........(shivaji-ponnunjal)
6.Mellapo.......(MGR-kavalkaran)
7.kodi asaindathum..(Shivaji-PPT)
8.Amaithiyana nadhiyile...(shivaji-Andavan kattali)
9.madimeedhu thalai...(shivaji-Annai illam)
10.kalyana naal parka...(MGR-parakkum pavai)

rajaram a slight correction poo maaliyil is from the film ooty varai uravu

From: Raghu on Mon Oct 17 14:30:07 2005.

RajaRam wrote:

(I think )even though most of the hubbers are below 25 , we cann't omit TMS achivement in Tamil cinema.

Rajaram anNe.

Music has no age , TMS had very starined nasal voice, any song he sang he sounded like he sang in a really strained high nasal voice, where else Dr.SPB u cant win him over in anything!!

have u heard of 'Naan paadatha paadalhal' by Dr.SPB, if not i suggest u hear it, here the MOST genius singss 'Paatum nane ' with great ease, listen to Dr.BMK and Dr.SPB and u will see, the song was like piece of cke for Dr.SPB!!, u can not have that Dr.SPB bass in any singers, listen to Dr.SPB's hindi numbers for Salman Khan like Maine pyar kiya, etc etc, listen to Dhil deewana bin sachinake', this was the reason for Salman khan's huge success in bolly wood

Raja Ram anNe, it is very refreshing to see a thread like this from u, i mean a NON kamal thread
From: Raghu on Mon Oct 17 14:33:30 2005.

Rajaram anNe,

I am the hugest fan of Dr. Shivaji Ganeshan, and i am singer as well, so my comments were NOT biased but the truth, well in my opinion
From: RajaRam on Tue Oct 18 6:18:56 2005.

Yes karthik. you are correct.
In ponnunjal also one good melody is there.

Raghu,

SPB has very good base. So his voice will be suitable to all.
where as TMS voice is unique..

we have copy of SPB like Mano and hariharan(slight difference).
but till now we don't have any copy to TMS.

IMO till now for fast and stylish songs TMS and LR Eswari combo is the best.(better than SPB and Janaki)

Some samples.

1.Avalakkenna-Server sundaram.
2.Oru kinnathai...-vasandha maaligai
3.Kettukkodi...-Pattikada pattanama...
4.Muthammo....-parakkum pavai.
5.oh..pappa...-kudiyirundha koil..

for TMS and P suseela also have some fast and stylish songs
pachai kili...-ulagam sutrum vaaliban
lilli....-USV.
ulagam...-USV.
Happy...ootti varai uravau
oru raja....-sivanda man.

some more TMS solo songs.

Oh..devane...-ganaoli.
tharaimel....-padakotti.
From: RajaRam on Tue Oct 18 10:26:33 2005.

some more TMS melodies.

1.kattodu kuzlal........(Periya idathu pen)
2.muthukalo kangal.....(?)
3.pathu padhinaru mutham...(Anjal petti 520)
4.Azaghia tamil mahal...(Riksha karan)
5.thottal poo malraum...(padakotti)
6.Azahukku maru peyar...(?)
7.mayakkmenna....(vasandha maaligai)
8.vellikinnamdhan...(?)
9.oru raja raniyidam...(sivandaman)
10.Naan unnai...(Engirundho vandhal)
11.Iravukku ayiram kangal...(?)
12.Naan malarodu....(?)
13.Mella varum kattru..(kalatta kalyanam)
From: Raghu on Tue Oct 18 16:03:19 2005.

RajaRam wrote:

Yes karthik. you are correct.
In ponnunjal also one good melody is there.

Raghu,

SPB has very good base. So his voice will be suitable to all.

Of course, he is the ONLY singer with this excellent bass, other singers who closley follow him are Kishore Kumar, and Dr. BalaMuraliKrishna

RajaRam wrote:

where as TMS voice is unique..

er then Who were Kovai Soundararajan and Malaysia Vasudevan?
From: Raghu on Wed Oct 19 3:12:48 2005.

Read more about this Genius!!!

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/09/30/stories/2005093000230700.htm
From: joe on Wed Oct 19 4:01:56 2005.

Raghu,
In this thread ,I mentioned my choice is SPB ,even though I am a huge fan of TMS too .But you claim that 'Paatum nane' by SPB in his 'Padaatha Paadalgal' thoguppu is better than the original is simply intolerable ..This is just a different try ,but no way comparable to the original by TMS . TMS has that Simmakural to Match with Nadigar Thilagam's simmakural ,also fit with the character sivaperuman.
From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 19 4:52:17 2005.

Quote:

er then Who were Kovai Soundararajan and Malaysia Vasudevan?

In how many movie kovai soundararajan has sung songs like Mano and hariharan?

We cann't compare MV with TMS in any way defenitely....

both have different voice.
From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 19 5:16:22 2005.

Quote:

I mentioned my choice is SPB

that is due to generation gap.

if we were born before 60s defenitely we all would be TMS fan.
From: joe on Wed Oct 19 5:29:16 2005.

RajaRam wrote:

Quote:

I mentioned my choice is SPB

that is due to generation gap.

if we were born before 60s defenitely we all would be TMS fan.

Praburam,
Who said I am not TMS fan?I am very much TMS fan..You too I think..Eventhough I born in 70s ,I brought up with TMS songs and most of my personal favourites are TMS songs ,I even byheart full lyrics of many TMS songs.
From: RajaRam on Wed Oct 19 8:53:57 2005.

Praburam ingu enge vandhar.

Normally during night time I will prefer to hear some old songs.
Especially If I hear some TMS-Susheela songs sleep will automatically come.

From: Raghu on Wed Oct 19 12:36:29 2005.

joe wrote:

Raghu,
In this thread ,I mentioned my choice is SPB ,even though I am a huge fan of TMS too .But you claim that 'Paatum nane' by SPB in his 'Padaatha Paadalgal' thoguppu is better than the original is simply intolerable ..This is just a different try ,but no way comparable to the original by TMS . TMS has that Simmakural to Match with Nadigar Thilagam's simmakural ,also fit with the character sivaperuman.

Dear Joe anNe,

Yes yes, TMS is the ONLY choice for Dr. Shivaji Ganeshan, BUT can TMS or did he EVER in his Career sing any song in a low pitch, ie ranging from base 1-7, answer is [u]SIMPLY NO,cos TMS, always had VERY strained NASAL high pitch voice, any damn song he sang , He SOUNDED as if he is singing in HIGH pitch!!!

Now, it is a PATHETIC joke to compare LEGENDARY singer/actor/composer Like DR.SPB with TMS, TMS only Ruled Tamil Films, while Dr.SPB ruled, Karnataka, Telgu , Tamil and Hindi (to a certain extent ), and Dr.SPB has 6 national awards, TMS???, DR.SPB ruled for nearly 40 yrs???, TMS?, may be 25 yrs and that only in Tamizh Cinemas singing for the likes of GREATEST SHIVAJI sir and MGR?,, but DR.SPB

Did TMS ever in his career sing any song in a BASE pitch rather than his HIGHLY STRAINED NASAL HIGH PITCH???

in fact DR.PBS was a far BETTER singer than TMS, it is DUE to his popularity for LEGENDS like Dr.SHIVAJI and MGR. but Dr.SPB, man just 4get everything thing and listen to this GENIUS's VOICE, truly a GIFT from ISHWAR

From: Shakthiprabha. on Thu Oct 20 5:55:51 2005.

Raghu,

MY MY WHAT HEROWORSHIP.

Hehe..... whatever happened to good old
YESUDAS? :d
From: RajaRam on Thu Oct 20 7:09:58 2005.

Quote:

(to a certain extent ), and Dr.SPB has 6 national awards, TMS???, DR.SPB ruled for nearly 40 yrs???, TMS?,

Shivaji also didn't get any national awards. Is it mean that He is not good actor?

in fact after Mano introduced by Ilayaraja (after 87),Balu market started to fell down. after Hariharan that became more
worse.

Can you tell me that after 90 in how many movies he has sung? after 90 he has sung only 2 or 3 movies for Kamal.
So The peak period for SPB was 80 to 87.

Where as if you take TMS he ruled almost 20 years(from 60 to 80).

Some of TMS base songs.

Anbulla maan kiliye...(kuzhandaiyum deivamum)
naanamo......(Aairathil oruvan)
penponal....(Enga veettu pillai)
amaidhiyana...(andavan kattalai)

there are somany songs.....

From: saradhaa_sn on Thu Oct 20 7:45:10 2005.

Raghu wrote:

aa haa..Few songs you need to listen before passing this kind of statement

1. Neerodum vaigayile
2. malarnthum malaratha
3. Naan malarodu thaniyaga yen ingu
4. Yaar antha nilavu
5. kadavul irukkintran athu un kanuku therikiratha
6. OOdum megangale Oru sol keliro
7. Oraayiram paarvaiyile
8. vantha naal muthal intha naal varai
9. Kan pona pokkile kaal pogalama
10 .Ozhi mayamana ethir kaalam
11. kallellam maanikka
12. amaithiyana naithiyinile
13) Chella kiliye mella pesu
14) Chella kiligalaam palliyile
15) Enna paravai siragadithu vinnil parakirathaa..
16) Tottu thottu paadavaa
17) Sirithu sirithu ennai siraiyilittai
18) Neramithu...neramithu (by IR)
19) Endhan pon vanname (by IR)
20) Sithiram pesuthadi

list is long...........

From: Sanjeevi on Thu Oct 20 8:04:52 2005.

RajaRam wrote:

So The peak period for SPB was 80 to 87.

Where as if you take TMS he ruled almost 20 years(from 60 to 80).

TMS ku munnadi 4 varusham pinnadi 4 varusam koottiteenga
SPB ku munnadi 4 varusham pinnadi 4 varusam kuraichuteenga

mathri theriyuthu
From: mrsrajan on Thu Oct 20 8:24:22 2005.

Pls don't compare these two legends.even SPB himself won't accept comparing him with TMS.
From: interz on Thu Oct 20 8:40:23 2005.

yes please dont compare a legend like SPB to TMS,

SPB ROCKSSSSSSSSSS

From: Raghu on Thu Oct 20 9:08:33 2005.

RajaRam wrote:

in fact after Mano introduced by Ilayaraja (after 87),Balu market started to fell down. after Hariharan that became more
worse.
.....

hehe, ignorance is a BIG bliss indeed

, Dr.SPB had throat surgery, and DR.IR introduced Mano, who used to sing in chorus and help with IR while composing.

yes Hari haran is FAR better singer than Mano by any standards, but Hari haran is an another nasal clone of TMS

RajaRam wrote:

Can you tell me that after 90 in how many movies he has sung? after 90 he has sung only 2 or 3 movies for Kamal.
So The peak period for SPB was 80 to 87.

hehe, another ignorance, Kamal Maama thaan 90's ila act panikitu irunthaara

ok any way as u r kamal Maama fan her goes the list

Singaravelan
Avai Shanmughi
Indian
Kalignan
Abhy (telugu version of alanvandhan) here DR.SPB dubbed his voice for kamal maama
Anbe Sivam
Mahanathi
Anoither Kamal Maama film with bhanupriyra/ ramesh aravind
Devar Maghan
Maharaasan,

ithellam 1960's ila vantha padangala

RajaRam wrote:

Where as if you take TMS he ruled almost 20 years(from 60 to 80). Clap

.....

, another ignorance

TMS peak was from mid 50 till early 70's then Dr.KJY ruled for a while, then Dr.SPB took over

RajaRam wrote:

Some of TMS base songs.

Anbulla maan kiliye...(kuzhandaiyum deivamum)
naanamo......(Aairathil oruvan)
penponal....(Enga veettu pillai)
amaidhiyana...(andavan kattalai)

yes these are TMS nasal based songs agreed , BUT where was the bass not base in his Voice???

But TMS did have lot of heavy bass in his head though, ie ego

From: Raghu on Thu Oct 20 9:21:47 2005.

interz wrote:

yes please dont compare a legend like SPB to TMS,

SPB ROCKSSSSSSSSSS

apadi podu naina,
From: j.chenkalvarayan on Thu Oct 20 9:55:30 2005.

Raghu wrote:

with due respect to Dr.KJY, he has great clarity, man him being a mallu cant pronounce Tamizh words properly, though thamizh and malayala, are so similar

i strongly object this observation. there is no problem with his pronunciation. its crystal clear. may be some problem with your tamizh.

From: Rajkumar_mj on Thu Oct 20 10:30:14 2005.

Rajaram

SPB also sung in

MMKR (1990)

Nammavar

Pasavalai (Dubbing of Telgu file "Subha Sangalpam")

Raghuram,

For Rajini thatha He is still singing

Raghu wrote:

RajaRam wrote:

in fact after Mano introduced by Ilayaraja (after 87),Balu market started to fell down. after Hariharan that became more
worse.
.....

hehe, ignorance is a BIG bliss indeed Laughing

RajaRam wrote:

Can you tell me that after 90 in how many movies he has sung? after 90 he has sung only 2 or 3 movies for Kamal.
So The peak period for SPB was 80 to 87.

RajaRam wrote:

Where as if you take TMS he ruled almost 20 years(from 60 to 80). Clap

.....

, another ignorance Very Happy

TMS peak was from mid 50 till early 70's then Dr.KJY ruled for a while, then Dr.SPB took over

RajaRam wrote:

Some of TMS base songs.

Anbulla maan kiliye...(kuzhandaiyum deivamum)
naanamo......(Aairathil oruvan)
penponal....(Enga veettu pillai)
amaidhiyana...(andavan kattalai)

yes these are TMS nasal based songs agreed , BUT where was the bass not base in his Voice??? Laughing

But TMS did have lot of heavy bass in his head though, ie ego Laughing

From: joe on Thu Oct 20 10:40:58 2005.

As usual Raghu started to pour his nonsense,and irritating comments

one example
//But TMS did have lot of heavy bass in his head though, ie ego //

what the hell to do with his personal ego? Fools like you only rate an artist based on his ego ..Even some fools say Ilayaraja has ego..even if it is true ,it won't change that Ilayaraja is genius.

raghu claims that TMS not even deserve to compare to SPB ..That shows his ignorance..

Friends ,Pls ignore Raghu in this matter..He is a kid..Forgive him.
From: Nerd on Thu Oct 20 13:48:26 2005.

looks like another clown in the making

I wont saythat is rajkumar

Rajini is a thaathaa and kamal is still a kid
From: stranger on Thu Oct 20 13:53:34 2005.

avar innum vayasukku varalaiyA, kasi!
From: m_23_bayarea on Thu Oct 20 14:09:19 2005.

Why are you guys having this comparison in the first place?? By doing that, you obviously are going to elevate one, which is good. But at the same time, you are involuntarily bringing the other one down. That is actually defaming the person. Looks like here, you guys have already pulled TMS down to a big extent by elevating SPB.

Both are legends of their own time, so please stop comparing.....

Or compare SPB with Jesudoss and TMS with Seergaazhi....That will make more sense...

From: rachel on Thu Oct 20 18:44:41 2005.

Quote:

. Neerodum vaigayile
2. malarnthum malaratha
3. Naan malarodu thaniyaga yen ingu
4. Yaar antha nilavu
5. kadavul irukkintran athu un kanuku therikiratha
6. OOdum megangale Oru sol keliro
7. Oraayiram paarvaiyile
8. vantha naal muthal intha naal varai
9. Kan pona pokkile kaal pogalama
10 .Ozhi mayamana ethir kaalam
11. kallellam maanikka
12. amaithiyana naithiyinile
13) Chella kiliye mella pesu
14) Chella kiligalaam palliyile
15) Enna paravai siragadithu vinnil parakirathaa..
16) Tottu thottu paadavaa
17) Sirithu sirithu ennai siraiyilittai
18) Neramithu...neramithu (by IR)
19) Endhan pon vanname (by IR)
20) Sithiram pesuthadi

i heard those songs...nice songs....

From: Alien on Thu Oct 20 20:49:09 2005.

kasi_sce wrote:

looks like another clown in the making

I wont saythat is rajkumar

U can't say , cos its not Rajkumar but someone else...
If Kamal can be called Kamal Mama , by the same observation,Rajni could be called as thaatha(if not great grand father)
From: Kumar on Wed Oct 26 3:07:57 2005.

There's nothing particularly wrong with comparing singers; just keep in mind that, to a certain extent, they have influenced 2 different generations. They've also been contemporaries- in fact they've sung a few songs together.

My opinion: I always thought that Nadigar Thilagam was a personification of Tamil. And if Tamil had a singing voice, it would be TMS. He had a clear, strong, heroic tenor voice that no other present playback singer seems to have today. He knew how to modulate his voice for the various actors: nasal/throaty for MGR, deep and chesty for Nadigar Thilgam, etc. He had great diction. That list of songs mentioned in the posting above have become a part of Tamil culture: because of their lyrics, music and TMS' voice.

One of my personal favourites is Thayanam Selvanghal. Fantastic song. It reminds me of both Sivaji Ganesan and TMS.

SPB to me epitomises youth. He has a soothing, unchanging voice. Very melodic, youthful, clear. He has given some of the greatest songs ever in Tamil cinema. This man can easily mesmerise you with his singing. One song I absolutely love is Aayiram Nilave Vaa (with P Suseela).
From: Rajkumar_mj on Wed Oct 26 4:04:19 2005.

Kasi,

I havent started this . Please ask Raghu.

kasi_sce wrote:

looks like a
nother clown in the making

I wont saythat is rajkumar

Rajini is a thaathaa and kamal is still a kid
From: Thamizhatchi on Wed Oct 26 15:13:18 2005.

TMS's voice melts me in many songs especially the song "Siththiram pesuthadi" from the movie Sabash Meena.

Not only movie songs but many devotional ones also like "ullam uruguthaiya muruga". What an awesome involvement in singing those songs!!.

Even the gaana's that youngsters like even now is "Ennadi Raakamma pallakku".
My feet taps, head nods and my fingers hit my laptop whenever i hear this song
From: rajeshkrv on Wed Oct 26 16:10:44 2005.

After T.M.S it would be S.P.B

but in comparison ..

TMS is always higher than SPB

What he didnt sing..

Romantic Solo

Paavadai thaavaniyil paartha uruvama - Nichayathamboolam

It mesmerizes anyone ..

Romantic duet

thoongadha kannendru ondru - Kungumam(with PS)

my god.. this is nothing but honey..

Pathos:

Or aayiram paarvayile - Vallavanukku vallavan
(Andha yekkam paatil izhayodum)

Devotional :

Thillai ambala nataraja and many more songs

Koothu

Ye kurathi vaadi en kuppi - Kurathi magan .
( he would have made sounds as a kuruavan kurathi )

and many more

Name a situation, his song would be there..

SPB too sang songs for all the above situations , nobody denies that
but the power of Voice which can deliver the expected output was the voice of TMS
From: rachel on Thu Oct 27 11:43:01 2005.

//Even the gaana's that youngsters like even now is "Ennadi Raakamma pallakku".
My feet taps, head nods and my fingers hit my laptop whenever i hear this song //

really....
From: rachel on Thu Oct 27 11:44:17 2005.

Quote:

Pathos:

Or aayiram paarvayile - Vallavanukku vallavan
(Andha yekkam paatil izhayodum)
From: tamizharasan on Thu Oct 27 16:22:34 2005.

Friend Raghu
You know that I am big fan of SPB and SS like you. But please do not insult TMS saying that he does not even draw comparison with SPB. TMS is a great singer in his own rights. I personally feel SPB is better singer than TMS. But let others say their feelings too.

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