which actor is the best ever in tamil cinema?
Thread started by Fire on 19th February 2006 09:01 AM
guys only two options..... sivaji and kamal... others showed not much variety to qualify...... start discussing....
Responses:
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From: villan007 on 19th February 2006 09:02 AM [Full View]
naa sivaji padam lam paathadhu ille....
so to me KAMAL is gr8
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From: great on 19th February 2006 09:03 AM [Full View]
why only 2 this is not fair, you should put all actors and choose best out of the lot
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From: Justice on 19th February 2006 09:04 AM [Full View]
Kamal is the best
Kamal has acted in versatile roles, he excelled in romantic roles
to any roles
Shivaji over-acted
that's my opinion
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From: great on 19th February 2006 09:08 AM [Full View]
justice it seems u havent seen much of Shivaji films...... he has done varied role and the time period should be taken.Its wrong to compare actors of different generation...agreed shivaji has overacted but thats just few films
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From: Thirumaran on 19th February 2006 09:16 AM [Full View]
Considering only acting deparment then Shivaji is a King in acting.
Considering overall aspects then it is Kamal who is the King.
However every one know that i am a great kamal fan.
Hence my vote for Kamal.
Good that you considered only the perfect choices for this poll.
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From: Justice on 19th February 2006 09:29 AM [Full View]
no great. everytime I go to video store to rent a new film, I also rent an old film of either Shivaji or Kamal
Originally Posted by great
I've watched many films from them, no doubt in Shivaji's acting but sometimes I felt him over-acting
but never felt it with Kamal
could be better if we compare same generation actors
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From: Kollywoodfan on 19th February 2006 09:31 AM [Full View]
Shivaji Ganeshan...
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From: ranjit_g on 19th February 2006 09:40 AM [Full View]
THE ONE AND ONLY NADIGAR THILAGAM SIVAJI GANESAN
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From: Justice on 19th February 2006 10:18 AM [Full View]
who's his successor? Originally Posted by ranjit_g
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From: Fire on 19th February 2006 10:21 AM [Full View]
now all rajini fans will vote for sivaji......
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From: Justice on 19th February 2006 10:22 AM [Full View]
let us go vote for MGR in that special thread Originally Posted by Fire
now all rajini fans will vote for sivaji......
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From: joe on 19th February 2006 11:39 AM [Full View]
No need to say whom I vote for ,though I am kamal fan too.
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From: great on 19th February 2006 11:45 AM [Full View]
Joe, its implied Originally Posted by joe
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From: Sanjeevi on 19th February 2006 11:54 AM [Full View]
Please dont compare thest two kings.
Kamal will vote for Shivaji and Shivaji would prefer kamal.
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From: Justice on 19th February 2006 11:57 AM [Full View]
and Sanjeevi will prefer? dhanush Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
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From: Ramakrishna on 19th February 2006 11:58 AM [Full View]
Gemini Ganesan
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From: Sanjeevi on 19th February 2006 12:06 PM [Full View]
hahahaha. Originally Posted by Justice
and Sanjeevi will prefer? dhanush Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
is there any poll for slimmest actor with options ajith and dhanush
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 19th February 2006 09:23 PM [Full View]
IS THERE ANY DOUBT..............
'NADIGAR THILAKAM' means
an example of ACTORS.
none other than MY FAV...........
SHIVAJI GANESHAN
SHIVAJI MANIAC,
Shakthirpabha.
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From: great on 19th February 2006 09:26 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 19th February 2006 09:38 PM [Full View]
roud:
Actually apart from his acting ability
I AM CRAZY AFTER HIM CAUSE...
my dad USED TO LOOK A LOTTTTTTTTTTTT LIKE younger days shivaji ganeshan.
So from earlier days .................. i rever shivaji........ mainly cause I USED TO SEE MY DAD In the place of shivaji
When I was young, I watched 'ANTHAMAAAN KATHALI' where shivaji gets hurt and is about to die.
I cried so badly and time and again, touched my DAD, to check if he is KEEPING FINE
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From: m_23_bayarea on 19th February 2006 11:18 PM [Full View]
Well, if you only give two options, then what are we supposed to do ??? And moreover, how can you compare actors of two completely diff generations ??? Originally Posted by Fire
now all rajini fans will vote for sivaji......
Anyways, I think Kamal is a great actor ... But Sivaji is the best !!!
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From: ranjit_g on 19th February 2006 11:24 PM [Full View]
again we think alike machi Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Well, if you only give two options, then what are we supposed to do ??? And moreover, how can you compare actors of two completely diff generations ??? Originally Posted by Fire
now all rajini fans will vote for sivaji......
Anyways, I think Kamal is a great actor ... But Sivaji is the best !!!
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From: ranjit_g on 19th February 2006 11:25 PM [Full View]
ofcourse kamal.but that doesnt make him better than sivaji. Originally Posted by Justice
who's his successor? Originally Posted by ranjit_g
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From: ranjit_g on 19th February 2006 11:26 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
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From: m_23_bayarea on 19th February 2006 11:27 PM [Full View]
Keep rockin machi !! Originally Posted by ranjit_g
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From: ranjit_g on 19th February 2006 11:44 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Keep rockin machi !! Originally Posted by ranjit_g
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From: Justice on 19th February 2006 11:59 PM [Full View]
whatever but Kamal is equally good and is a complete actor Originally Posted by ranjit_g
ofcourse kamal.but that doesnt make him better than sivaji. Originally Posted by Justice
who's his successor? Originally Posted by ranjit_g
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From: kanya_kris on 20th February 2006 04:29 AM [Full View]
My vote is for Kamal.
He is the only complete actor Tamil cinema, sorry Indian Cinema ever had.
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From: Alien on 20th February 2006 04:45 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kanya_kris
My vote is for Kamal.
He is the only complete actor Tamil cinema, sorry Indian Cinema ever had.
:P Ofcourse, my vote is for the one & only complete actor, too 
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From: Alien on 20th February 2006 04:47 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Justice
whatever but Kamal is equally good and is a complete actor Originally Posted by ranjit_g
ofcourse kamal.but that doesnt make him better than sivaji. Originally Posted by Justice
who's his successor? Originally Posted by ranjit_g
Yeah :P
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From: kanya_kris on 20th February 2006 04:47 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
Originally Posted by kanya_kris
My vote is for Kamal.
He is the only complete actor Tamil cinema, sorry Indian Cinema ever had.
:P Ofcourse, my vote is for the one & only complete actor, too
Great minds thinks alike.
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From: Alien on 20th February 2006 04:48 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kanya_kris
Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
:P Ofcourse, my vote is for the one & only complete actor, too
Great minds thinks alike.
:P
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From: kb on 20th February 2006 05:09 AM [Full View]
sivaji is past
kamal is present
and future is ... surya
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From: kanya_kris on 20th February 2006 05:14 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kb
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From: Justice on 20th February 2006 06:02 AM [Full View]
future is just the prediction, we've to wait and see
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From: kanya_kris on 20th February 2006 06:06 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Justice
future is just the prediction, we've to wait and see
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 20th February 2006 06:06 AM [Full View]
Stupid thread!
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From: kanya_kris on 20th February 2006 06:08 AM [Full View]
What abt the other threads? Originally Posted by Beckham
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From: ajithfederer on 20th February 2006 06:26 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kanya_kris
What abt the other threads? Originally Posted by Beckham
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From: joe on 20th February 2006 08:09 AM [Full View]
Ilaya Thalaimurai maththiyilum Nadigar thilagaththukku ivvalavu aatharava?Wow ..Very happy!!
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From: Thirumaran on 20th February 2006 08:15 AM [Full View]
Yenakkum appadi irunthaa Santhoasamaathaan irukkum. Originally Posted by joe
Ilaya Thalaimurai maththiyilum Nadigar thilagaththukku ivvalavu aatharava?Wow ..Very happy!!
Hmmm.
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From: sandiyar_k on 20th February 2006 10:25 AM [Full View]
KAMAL is the BEST !!!
Even Sivaji is his GURU, Dr.KAMAL is Gurvai minchiya Sisyan !!!
Dr.Kamal acted as Dwarf !!!
Dr.Kamal acted as Woman with Woman voice!!! ( Sivaji didn't change his voice in any films)
Dr.Kamal acted as Romantic HERO, Action HERO, Characterstic HERO...but sivaji is only Characterstic HERO...
Dr.Kamal is the Director,Screenplay writer,Dialogue Writer,Stroy writer, Lyrics Writer.....wht abt sivaji ???
Dr.KAMAL is Gurvai minchiya Sisyan !!!
this is the fact
Sandiyar_k
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From: kb on 20th February 2006 10:32 AM [Full View]
vaanum meley boomi keley idayil naamada..
ithil yaaru meley yaaru keley enna kelvi da..
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From: Sinthiya on 20th February 2006 10:32 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Beckham
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can't compare Shivaji and Kamal...two different generations...
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From: joe on 20th February 2006 10:35 AM [Full View]
Oh! is it? Thanks for the info. Originally Posted by sandiyar_k
Ignorance is bliss.
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From: kb on 20th February 2006 10:41 AM [Full View]
joe now u understand the situation here
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From: mohanraman on 20th February 2006 02:33 PM [Full View]
I find several have extolled Kamal but have tried to belittle the achievements of Sivaji....without having watched a number of his classics.......Regarding the type of roles he donned.....please tell me if any one in the present crop can don the role of "Paramasivan - in various forms,like in thiruvilayadal."...a king like Kattabomman, the saint appar, the idiot of thookku thooki, ... nine of navarathri and as usual kamal is trying to get his one up with dasavadharam...the nathaswara vidwan of thillana....the trio in deiva magan....the killer in puthiya paravai, the loving brother of pasamalar,the patriot V.O.C.,......the list is endless....so do not say that sivaji has not done a variety of roles.... he has done it all......and all originally not after Robin Williams or some hollywood star has done it...and several decades ago.....he had a range that went from subtle to over play, a wide modulating voice, changing body language for each character . .... even kamal acknowledges sivaji's greatness, and unlike others sivaji did not have any great Director moulding him,polishing his craft, and continuosly casting him despite failures. Sivaji came from the stage and just took off from Parasakthi....never looked back...though he did a film "thirumbippar".All the craft he acquired was from observation and the various Directors who worked with him, he was a Directors actor....later this trend disappeared in him for a while only to comeback in Mudhalmariyadhai. Once I asked him "appa, what is the natural acting, this underplay,that all are talking about", his reaction was...."nadikka therinjavan sonna paravaillai, nadikka theriyathavanga kodukkura sakku idhu, amma seththa subtle agava azhuvanga, eppadi azhanumnu theriyallainna....natural acting nnu solluvanga.". Let us not talk in ignorance and irreverently of immortals. There can and will be only one sivaji...pardon my strong language but I feel very strongly about that great thespian.In all this I am not denying the great talent that Kamal has.
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From: joe on 20th February 2006 02:37 PM [Full View]
Excellent Post!! Originally Posted by mohanraman
Btw,Are you actor Mohanraman?
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From: selvakumar on 20th February 2006 02:47 PM [Full View]
MohanRaman,
I completely agree with u. KH has time and again accepted that
"He can sit only near the lap of Nadigar Thilagam" But I changed my opinion when I came to know about Nadigar Thilagam's compliments on Nayagan. NADIGAR THILAGAM - LEGEND.. KH - TRUE SUCCESSOR.
I also feel that this poll is a wierd one..
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From: mohanraman on 20th February 2006 03:15 PM [Full View]
I am, Joe...however after 1952 deepavali, no one else can claim that title "actor" the rest of us appear before the camera.
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From: joe on 20th February 2006 03:19 PM [Full View]
Wow! Welcome to the hub..I am not from your generation.I am in early 30s ,but a huge fan of Nadigar Thilagam and Kamal. Originally Posted by mohanraman
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From: joe on 20th February 2006 03:21 PM [Full View]
Mohanraman,
Just to make sure..Are you the one acted in Mahanathi as a Lawyer ,now acting in TV serial "Aanandam"?
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From: mohanraman on 20th February 2006 03:31 PM [Full View]
I plead guilty to all your charges......I too am not exactly from the Sivaji generation, mine was when he had finished the "Pa" series and colour had come in.....sivantha mann etc...later when one was a little more mature we had that series of "forgettable" sivaji films he Justices,Pilots etc...KB had already started his trend..Iru kodugal etc...then one grew older and decided that watching Tamil films was not fashionable but Hollywood was and totally missed the Ilayaraja,Mahendran era.The making of Rajini,Kamal etc....I made up for lost time once I came to films by the use of television and video.....hence I am stuck with the Kannadasan,MSV, sivaji music and I love being stuck there.
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 20th February 2006 05:32 PM [Full View]
oh wow Mr.Mohanram,
welcome to forumhub sir
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From: great on 20th February 2006 05:37 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by mohanraman
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From: alwarpet_andavan on 20th February 2006 05:40 PM [Full View]
Padmashree Dr. Kamal Haasan by the sheer variety, versatility, depth, dare-devilry, physical transformation and pais taken.
There is no other successor to the great Chevalier Sivaji Ganesan
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From: nilavupriyan on 20th February 2006 06:25 PM [Full View]
kamal has said "shivaji is the best"
shivajji has said kamal had gone well above himslef
i vote for kamal
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 20th February 2006 06:59 PM [Full View]
For the first time...
I AM HURT.
Shivaji is a thespian. Diff generation. For opportuniteis of those days, HE DID MUCH BETTER by reaching astonishing goals.
One needs to keep in mind the generation, technology and OPPORTUNITY had in those days.
Sadly none of these or most of these NEW GENERATION SO CALLED INTELLECTUAL fans DONT KNOW OR NOT EVEN SEEEEN shivaji movies.
I AM HURT.
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From: Thirumaran on 20th February 2006 07:04 PM [Full View]
Welcome to the hub MohanRaman Sir. Originally Posted by mohanraman
Nice to see a Shivaji fan here.
We would like you take part in the discussions and also would like to see you post some excellent information about Nadigar thilagam and his movies in Nadigar Thilagam Thread.
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From: Tirupathi on 20th February 2006 07:09 PM [Full View]
Welcome to Hub. Mr Mohanram sir..
Few years back i saw your show (Prabalangal Rasitha Katchi), i was delighted that youre quite knowledgable...
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From: great on 20th February 2006 07:11 PM [Full View]
NTR, pls edit ur post
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From: Tirupathi on 20th February 2006 07:14 PM [Full View]
Hmm..
Why?
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From: great on 20th February 2006 07:17 PM [Full View]
what do u mean by shocked to see that u are intelligent
....
edit ur post , i will delete this once u have edited
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From: nilavupriyan on 20th February 2006 07:21 PM [Full View]
sp....we know shivahi's era is just after the melodrama period!..in fact shivaji pulled away the tamil cinema from normal "kacheri" films with 20 songs! Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
but kamal stands out in certain elements.....he is fighting more than shivaji...he dint give up like shivaji who did sangili and the likes at the end.....
shivaji had 25% crap movies after he is 50
but kamal tries his best till now!..he will not give up in future too!
regarding only acting department..
kamal does comedy better than shivaji.....u should accept this!
kamal does action better than shivaji!i mean fight....not action roles!
shivaji is best in portraying day today life charecters....... viyatnam veedu,mudhal mariyadhai etc...
its 50/50 ...... but i vote for kamal for his efforts!
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 20th February 2006 07:29 PM [Full View]
THIRUPATHI / Ntr
plz edit ur post. great is right.
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From: nilavupriyan on 20th February 2006 07:45 PM [Full View]
Mr.mohan ram....are u the actor who did the lawyer rlole in mahanadhi?
now doing "kolangal" serial..
if so...u r greatly influenced by shivaji in ur body language!
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From: Fire on 20th February 2006 07:47 PM [Full View]
no one can dream to beat kamal
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From: nilavupriyan on 20th February 2006 07:48 PM [Full View]
karthi..u delete!.ive edited!
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From: Fire on 20th February 2006 07:51 PM [Full View]
dont lie.... Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
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From: Thirumaran on 20th February 2006 07:52 PM [Full View]
Mr. Mohan Raman Sir,
One doubt. I read quite a long ago in some magazine that you are a relative to MGR.
Is that right.
If yes.
Could you please post some interesting info abt MGR in Makkal Thilagam thread.
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From: nilavupriyan on 20th February 2006 07:52 PM [Full View]
whats wrong in my post?
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From: great on 20th February 2006 07:54 PM [Full View]
Nilavu, nothing wrong in it
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From: mohanraman on 21st February 2006 06:26 PM [Full View]
Sorry to disappoint you Thirumaran, MGR was our neighbour...his house in LLoyds Road was actually my grandfather's and was rented by MGR.My dad was also in the DMK then,in the mid 1950s and was MGR's advocate.Actually my grandfather asked MGR to buy the house,MGR said he didn't have the money so my grandfather told him to take the house and pay later....MGR went on to make Nadodi mannan etc, made the money and gave my grandfather the money.MGR always considered my grandfather as his father and that was the extent of our 'relationship".He was a close friend of the family and when he wrote his autobiography in anandavikatan the first issue carried a picture of my grandfather and also a piece on how much MGR respected him.I still have with me the gift he gave for my first birthday and the ones he gave for my wedding.......I cherish the memories of all the meals he had at my house or we had at his....
Ironically, I was a huge sivaji fan and his office used to get me tickets for sivaji movies.....I did not know the sivaji family then.....needless to say the staff in MGR's office swore me to secrecy...them calling Shanthi Theatre for tickets for their advocate's son. I have always felt and known that the huge rivalry between MGR and Sivaji was only between the fans...they both had a very quaint personal relationship and for me it was a great personal honour to have known them both.
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From: joe on 21st February 2006 06:32 PM [Full View]
Thanks Mohan raman sir for the information.
We all hubbers would like to hear from you more on Makkal Thilagam and nadigar Thilagam.
Pls visit Nadigar Thilagam sivaji ganesan thread and share your views ,as a fan .You must also have personal experinces with great nadigar Thilagam ..Pls..pls..pls..share with us.
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From: Thirumaran on 21st February 2006 07:03 PM [Full View]
Mohanraman Sir,
Thanks a lot for the info.
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From: nilavupriyan on 21st February 2006 07:12 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by mohanraman
Nice info sir!
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 08:24 PM [Full View]
I think this is the place to discuss this.
Hello sir, Originally Posted by tacinema
Without any doubt Shivaji is one among the finest actor in the world. The same thing is applicable to Kamal also. Someone said Kamal is not even 50 % of Shivaji in acting. In the same way someone said that in one angle, shivaji is 50% to Kamal. Comparatively the second one is more real. There is no one in the world who got multi talents like Kamal. He could do maximum kind of roles with ease. Atleast those statements(50 % comparisions) were reasonable. But your argument that Kamal is no match for Shivaji is the most outrageous comment.
In the above movies you have mentioned(arivaali & moondru Deivangal. I did not see them), as you mentioned, Shivaji acted with some great comedians. For me i could recollect the comedians performance more than that of Shivaji's. But several of Kamal's Comedy movies he has performed without the support of other comedians. If you think abt Kamal's Comdey the first person you could cherish is of Kamal's Only. Originally Posted by tacinema
Paesum Padam. Shivaji never did this kind of experiment for your note. Originally Posted by tacinema
Agreed that VR MBBS as movie is not match to Munna. But you cannot find any fault with Kamal's acting. It is definetly enjoyable. Ask for those who have not watched Munna. Kamal has no limitations in comedy. He can do comedy with dialogues or without dialogues too. I will bet, if a poll is taken among all categories of People(all across TN) that which Hero is good in Comedy, without any doubt Kamal will win with majority of votes. ME flopping does not mean that the comedy was bad. It was different attempt which could not reach many people. That is it. And i think we were talking abt quality. No need to bring telugu cinema over here. Everyone knows about the acting skills of Chiranjeevi. Originally Posted by tacinema
I am not getting what you are saying. Kamal lacks in Tamil dialogue delivery. For your info Kamal has spoken variety of Tamil like Kovai, Nellai, Chennai, etc. To add to that he has even spoken Sri Lankan Tamil also. He is excelled in many other languages too. So definetly he can do the above mentioned movies. But there wont be anyone come forward to take those kind of movies nowadays. I hope you may know the reason for that. Originally Posted by tacinema
I asked one particular thing already in MGR thread regarding this. I have not seen VPKB in full. Does anyone throw me some lights on whether there were any action scenes in that movie. If yes how was his performance in those. If not i dont think the movie VPKB is complete. If some neutral fan come and answer this i will be happy. Also I have one more doubt. In that movie there is a famous conversion between the Englishman and Shivaji. The dialogue is "Vaanam Pozhigirathu" and it extends for few minutes. I am trying to Visualize, whether VPKB would have done something like that. It is definetly Over acting. The reason is simple. The taste of the people at that is different, hence that kind of performance is needed. If kamal does something like that he would go in detail to collect all the information exactly about him and will do more natural performance. If you would have seen Marudhanayagam Trailor long before, you could have stunned even for some scenes they have shown. In in particular scene he rides on horse holding sword in his hand on chasing the enemies. It was terrific. Even in anybodies dream shivaji cannot do that. Originally Posted by tacinema
Nothing is running out. Kamal looks more attractive than Shivaji comparing the same ages. Originally Posted by tacinema
We are not talking abt collections here. If the same i think Karnan released on the same day with some MGR movie, and the movie Karnan flopped. The collections were not even half. So better do not bring collections. Originally Posted by tacinema
This is not an argument. The same thing i can say. Shivaji is professionally a Drama Actor. So there is no great in seeing acting talents in Shivaji. By the way in many of his movies he did over act. Of course it is not that he cannot naturally act. It is to do with the taste of the people that time. But Kamal's acting is natural in maximum time. Rarely he overacts too. Also kamal has learnt so many other things after started acting only. Like Karate, Silambam, several type of dances, etc..... The list is more to say here. Originally Posted by tacinema
There is one particular thing i want to say here. As far as my knowledge goes, the lawyers are not suppose to argue in the manner it is shown in the movies. The voice of them should not reach high pitch in the court. Also i believe they even should not stand up and argue(not very much sure). I am not sure where these kind of things started. For you it may be great performance. For me those were Over acted. Originally Posted by tacinema
Kamal also given some nice performances in Kuruthi Punal, Vetri Vizha and he excelled in action scenes also in these movies. Originally Posted by tacinema
In the same manner Kamal's "Red roses" also had a great negative Performance. Originally Posted by tacinema
Shivaji was lucky that he got a hero role in his very first movie. Better we can compare something different. When Shivaji acted in PS he was 24. When Kamal acted in 16 vayathinale he was 21. Comparatively i think, Kamal's has given natural performance. Also here i want to mention the famous court scene in PS. I doubt whether a victim is allowed to talk continously in a court hall. I dont see anything normal in those scenes. Again this has to do with thw tastes of people. Originally Posted by tacinema
First of all during period where the influence of drama was more, the movies like VPKB, Karnan,etc.. were not experiments. I believe only the movie Andha Naal from Shivaji can be considered experiment. But without any doubt several of Kamal's movies were experiments. He failed in some and got success in some. Failure does not show the lack of performance all the time. Originally Posted by tacinema
FYI, Kamal has given more success than Shivaji. By the way he is the only actor who has given silver jubilee hits in 5 languages. Also he has a unique record of having 5 silver jubileee movies in a single year. No one in the history of world cinema has this unique records. Originally Posted by tacinema
[/quote] Originally Posted by tacinema
The same here. I also admire Shivaji's acting considering the period and other things. But that does not mean that people from that generation can talk that Kamal is no match for shivaji. FYI, Kamal is the most popular among the South Indian actors all around the world. Not only bollywood icons, even bollywood people used to know very much about Kamal more than anyone.
Kamal is more of a natural actor than Shivaji with more talents than shivaji.
Also Shivaji Can only act. But Kamal can make other people also to act in a natural manner. Even he brought out acting from Kiran in Anbe Sivam. That says it all.
If you see any of Kamal created movie, you can see each and everyone doing great performance along with the side actors. That is the brillance level of Kamal.
Also I accept just considering acting alone Shivaji is better than Kamal. But the statements like no match and all i too much.
If something is wrong please correct me.
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From: Navin on 24th February 2006 08:31 PM [Full View]
Longest post ever in hub history
Thiru he deserves an award
The same here. I also admire Shivaji's acting considering the period and other things. But that does not mean that people from that generation can talk that Kamal is no match for shivaji. FYI, Kamal is the most popular among the South Indian actors all around the world. Not only bollywood icons, even bollywood people used to know very much about Kamal more than anyone. Originally Posted by Thirumaran
I think this is the place to discuss this.
Hello sir, Originally Posted by tacinema
Without any doubt Shivaji is one among the finest actor in the world. The same thing is applicable to Kamal also. Someone said Kamal is not even 50 % of Shivaji in acting. In the same way someone said that in one angle, shivaji is 50% to Kamal. Comparatively the second one is more real. There is no one in the world who got multi talents like Kamal. He could do maximum kind of roles with ease. Atleast those statements(50 % comparisions) were reasonable. But your argument that Shivaji is no match for Kamal is the most outrageous comment.
In the above movies you have mentioned(arivaali & moondru Deivangal. I did not see them), as you mentioned, Shivaji acted with some great comedians. For me i could recollect the comedians performance more than that of Shivaji's. But several of Kamal's Comedy movies he has performed without the support of other comedians. If you think abt Kamal's Comdey the first person you could cherish is of Kamal's Only. Originally Posted by tacinema
Paesum Padam. Shivaji never did this kind of experiment for your note. Originally Posted by tacinema
Agreed that VR MBBS as movie is not match to Munna. But you cannot find any fault with Kamal's acting. It is definetly enjoyable. Ask for those who have not watched Munna. Kamal has no limitations in comedy. He can do comedy with dialogues or without dialogues too. I will bet, if a poll is taken among all categories of People(all across TN) that which Hero is good in Comedy, without any doubt Kamal will win with majority of votes. Munnabhai flopping does not mean that the comedy was bad. It was different attempt which could not reach many people. That is it. And i think we were talking abt quality. No need to bring telugu cinema over here. Everyone knows about the acting skills of Chiranjeevi. Originally Posted by tacinema
I am not getting what you are saying. Kamal lacks in Tamil dialogue delivery. For your info Kamal has spoken variety of Tamil like Kovai, Nellai, Chennai, etc. To add to that he has even spoken Sri Lankan Tamil also. He is excelled in many other languages too. So definetly he can do the above mentioned movies. But there wont be anyone come forward to take those kind of movies nowadays. I hope you may know the reason for that. Originally Posted by tacinema
I asked one particular thing already in MGR thread regarding this. I have not seen VPKB in full. Does anyone throw me some lights on whether there were any action scenes in that movie. If yes how was his performance in those. If not i dont think the movie VPKB is complete. If some neutral fan come and answer this i will be happy. Also I have one more doubt. In that movie there is a famous conversion between the Englishman and Shivaji. The dialogue is "Vaanam Pozhigirathu" and it extends for few minutes. I am trying to Visualize, whether VPKB would have done something like that. It is definetly Over acting. The reason is simple. The taste of the people at that is different, hence that kind of performance is needed. If kamal does something like that he would go in detail to collect all the information exactly about him and will do more natural performance. If you would have seen Marudhanayagam Trailor long before, you could have stunned even for some scenes they have shown. In in particular scene he rides on horse holding sword in his hand on chasing the enemies. It was terrific. Even in anybodies dream shivaji cannot do that. Originally Posted by tacinema
Nothing is running out. Kamal looks more attractive than Shivaji comparing the same ages. Originally Posted by tacinema
We are not talking abt collections here. If the same i think Karnan released on the same day with some MGR movie, and the movie Karnan flopped. The collections were not even half. So better do not bring collections. Originally Posted by tacinema
This is not an argument. The same thing i can say. Shivaji is professionally a Drama Actor. So there is no great in seeing acting talents in Shivaji. By the way in many of his movies he did over act. Of course it is not that he cannot naturally act. It is to do with the taste of the people that time. But Kamal's acting is natural in maximum time. Rarely he overacts too. Also kamal has learnt so many other things after started acting only. Like Karate, Silambam, several type of dances, etc..... The list is more to say here. Originally Posted by tacinema
There is one particular thing i want to say here. As far as my knowledge goes, the lawyers are not suppose to argue in the manner it is shown in the movies. The voice of them should not reach high pitch in the court. Also i believe they even should not stand up and argue(not very much sure). I am not sure where these kind of things started. For you it may be great performance. For me those were Over acted. Originally Posted by tacinema
Kamal also given some nice performances in Kuruthi Punal, Vetri Vizha and he excelled in action scenes also in these movies. Originally Posted by tacinema
In the same manner Kamal's "Red roses" also had a great negative Performance. Originally Posted by tacinema
Shivaji was lucky that he got a hero role in his very first movie. Better we can compare something different. When Shivaji acted in PS he was 24. When Kamal acted in 16 vayathinale he was 21. Comparatively i think, Kamal's has given natural performance. Also here i want to mention the famous court scene in PS. I doubt whether a victim is allowed to talk continously in a court hall. I dont see anything normal in those scenes. Again this has to do with thw tastes of people. Originally Posted by tacinema
First of all during period where the influence of drama was more, the movies like VPKB, Karnan,etc.. were not experiments. I believe only the movie Andha Naal from Shivaji can be considered experiment. But without any doubt several of Kamal's movies were experiments. He failed in some and got success in some. Failure does not show the lack of performance all the time. Originally Posted by tacinema
FYI, Kamal has given more success than Shivaji. By the way he is the only actor who has given silver jubilee hits in 5 languages. Also he has a unique record of having 5 silver jubileee movies in a single year. No one in the history of world cinema has this unique records. Originally Posted by tacinema
Originally Posted by tacinema
Kamal is more of a natural actor than Shivaji with more talents than shivaji.
Also Shivaji Can only act. But Kamal can make other people also to act in a natural manner. Even he brought out acting from Kiran in Anbe Sivam. That says it all.
If you see any of Kamal created movie, you can see each and everyone doing great performance along with the side actors. That is the brillance level of Kamal.
Also I accept just considering acting alone Shivaji is better than Kamal. But the statements like no match and all i too much.
If something is wrong please correct me.
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From: Alien on 24th February 2006 08:34 PM [Full View]
Thiru Excellent
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From: njv on 24th February 2006 08:36 PM [Full View]
In general we are comparing actors from two generations and is not right. During Shivaji days dialogues are long, in what now we call pure taamil but things changed. Infact 10 years down the road things will be different (again thanks to KH for introducing changes to tamil film world now and then and inspiring others to do the same). So no comparison please.
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 08:39 PM [Full View]
//I have not seen VPKB in full.//
//In in particular scene he rides on horse holding sword in his hand on chasing the enemies. It was terrific. Even in anybodies dream shivaji cannot do that. //
//FYI, Kamal has given more success than Shivaji.//
//Kamal is more of a natural actor than Shivaji //
Thirumaran,
Nice to know your views..With these statements,sure I won't enacage any discussions with you about sivaji any more
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 24th February 2006 08:49 PM [Full View]
//I have not seen VPKB in full.//
//In in particular scene he rides on horse holding sword in his hand on chasing the enemies. It was terrific. Even in anybodies dream shivaji cannot do that. //
//FYI, Kamal has given more success than Shivaji.//
//Kamal is more of a natural actor than Shivaji //
IF I SAY "ITS OUTRAGEOUS" its an understament.
I dont wish to talk on this matter anymore too.
Shivaji's greatness is beyond anybody to discuss or to be proven.
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From: Alien on 24th February 2006 08:55 PM [Full View]
Neither do we ! All KH fans have admitted many a times Shivaji's greatness , v very well know what our own Kamal Haasan had to say abt Shivaji the great
Its ludicrous, stupid comments like , "KH can't do comedy without crazy mohan" , "KH's best of best Nayagan did lesser than Manithan " that kindle us
... Does he know that Nayagan doesn't even come in Kamal Haasan's top 30(or so) BO Blockbusters ???? Or Kamal Haasan had done a Silent comedy movie called Pesum Padam without even dialogues to BO Blockbuster ???? Has Shivaji done anything likt that ?
So, if they stop things like that , then we would too , otherwise .......
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:01 PM [Full View]
For Joe and SP,
When tacinema wrote certain comments abt Kamal which is totally ridiculous, you were prasing that. You could have pointed certain things which were wrong in his posts. But you were not willing to do the same as you have more respects for Shivaji. If we are are neutral we need to point good and bad things.
Also instead of keeping away from arguments, it will be better if you could point out the mistakes in my posts with points. So that
I can correct myself.
Thanks.
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 24th February 2006 09:03 PM [Full View]
/////////Pesum Padam without even dialogues to BO Blockbuster////////////
Shivaji can talk NONSTOP DIALOGUES for reels and reels.
cAN KAMAL TALK? He would pause, take deep breaths, say 'uh...ah... athu vanthu' etc 100000000 times.
What a crazy way of comparing YESTER YEAR ACTORS!
Kamal is humble. Kamal is great. Kamal has grown up.
Most of His fans have not. GROW up fans.
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 09:06 PM [Full View]
//Shivaji's greatness is beyond anybody to discuss or to be proven.//
Well said Sakthi!
Let us not discuss anymore and allow some people to ridicule sivaji in the name of our own great kamalhassan ,who knows the truth better than all hubbers here.
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From: Alien on 24th February 2006 09:07 PM [Full View]
Who cares ?
Kamal is natural . Who speaks dialogues for reels & reels in real life ??
C'mon, don't drag me into an argument here ! My point was to say that Kamal doesn't need Crazy mohan's dialogues or dialogues at all , to give a comedy caper !
Pls understand that
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:08 PM [Full View]
that is what natural performance. in real life can you show any kind of people other than Politicians involve in talking continously without any gap or struggle. I dont think so. Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
/////////Pesum Padam without even dialogues to BO Blockbuster////////////
Shivaji can talk NONSTOP DIALOGUES for reels and reels.
cAN KAMAL TALK? He would pause, take deep breaths, say 'uh...ah... athu vanthu' etc 100000000 times.
What a crazy way of comparing YESTER YEAR ACTORS!
Kamal is humble. Kamal is great. Kamal has grown up.
Most of His fans have not. GROW up fans.
Kamal acts according to what is the most a particular character needs, not more than that with extra ordinary dialogues. Once again it is not that he cannot do that. He is not interested those as the current trend changed.
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 09:08 PM [Full View]
It is ok thirumaran ,let us agree to disagree..I don't think I can change your mindset and you know how much I love KamalHassan,sure I can't ridicule kamalhassan in the name of Nadigar Thilagam Originally Posted by Thirumaran
For Joe and SP,
When tacinema wrote certain comments abt Kamal which is totally ridiculous, you were prasing that. You could have pointed certain things which were wrong in his posts. But you were not willing to do the same as you have more respects for Shivaji. If we are are neutral we need to point good and bad things.
Also instead of keeping away from arguments, it will be better if you could point out the mistakes in my posts with points. So that
I can correct myself.
Thanks.
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From: Alien on 24th February 2006 09:09 PM [Full View]
Don't u ppl see tacinema's some points were ludicrous ???? Pls correct them too
Thanks
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:11 PM [Full View]
Yes. That is what i also need. Please correct them. Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
I believe that is what i did.
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From: Alien on 24th February 2006 09:15 PM [Full View]
I believe, U did perfect Originally Posted by Thirumaran
I believe that is what i did.
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 24th February 2006 09:16 PM [Full View]
///////////Once again it is not that he cannot do that. He is not interested those as the current trend changed. /////////////
Please understand this IN RELATION TO any yester years actors too.
Yup lets stop this here. I like both of them .My respects for shivaji is MUCH more than what I can possible coin in words.
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From: njv on 24th February 2006 09:17 PM [Full View]
Now talking abt VBKB, the director portray VBKB as a coward.
Infact you should feel terrific. If the real life VBKB is a coward, then the body language shivaji used during the horse riding should make you feel terrific. I dont think anybody could made you felt terrific than Shivaji.In in particular scene he rides on horse holding sword in his hand on chasing the enemies. It was terrific
I watched this so many times to understand why/how they portrayed VBKB as coward. In our text book we portray VBKB as a great warrior but in real life he is not and the director depicted the real life.
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 09:17 PM [Full View]
Thirumaran,
I can't answer for tacinema ..But I am shock to see your statements (which I already quaoted) as I didn't expect those from you.Forgive me for misundersting you earlier.
I don't want to argue with you anymore on this ,because I love both sivaji and kamal ,but heart goes with sivaji ,if it only one choice.
Thanks.
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:20 PM [Full View]
SP, Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
I have seen you mentioning that the post of tacinema is one of the best post. He has unneccesarily brought certain comments which is totally baseless. Even you know that.
I know that you like both the actors same as me however the level varies.
If you could point the mistakes in the tacinema's post we will be happy. The same way you can point the mistakes in my posts.
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From: nilavupriyan on 24th February 2006 09:31 PM [Full View]
thirumaran..u rock man!
superb post!..sema badhiladi!
u cannot say gouravam or thangapathakkam as great performances...
thats really over acting!
shivaji 's best according to me where
karnan,navaraathiri,mudhal mariyadhai,thevar mahan,padikadha medhai etc...
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 24th February 2006 09:34 PM [Full View]
TM,
yeah tacinema's POST had lot of truth in it.
I shall reply to urs at leisure tomm. Yes I dont agree to some of ur points.
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:35 PM [Full View]
Joe, Originally Posted by joe
The way he has posted made me to post these things. If some among you would have corrected certain mistakes he did, I would have never posted this.
By the way even i have respects for Shivaji. He is One among the greatest Indian cinema ever had. Certain things i mentioned as over acting does not mean that he cannot naturally act. However you know that. The taste of the people at that time was different.
I am recollecting a post from Cho Ramasamy in Tughlaq. Once during a suiting time for a particular movie, everyone praised Shivaji for his acting in the shooting. But however Cho was not impressed with. When Shivaji asked the Same to Cho, he said that Shivaji's acting was a bit over for that scene. Then Shivaji shown to Cho how the natural performance will be. Cho was stunned to see that. Shivaji added, if he would acted like that, it may not make much impress to the people.
That is Shivaji. I am not denying that. But if we start comparing we need to point the mistakes too.
Any way sorry if any one got hurted. I felt very bad reading certain baseless comments from tacinema.
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From: Alien on 24th February 2006 09:35 PM [Full View]
Sorry Joe, But my posts here were to only address some points which were really ridiculous(on Kamal) like I pointed out earlier
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:39 PM [Full View]
I would like you to even put more lights on whatever the truths he said along with the mistakes from my side. Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
thanks,
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From: ajithfederer on 24th February 2006 09:43 PM [Full View]
especially gauravam is too much overacting.......if u guys had seen lollu saba of gauravam......saaminathan would have done a hilarious job of aping shivaji....especially when he has the pipe in his mouth and when he says "DAMMIT"
IT WAS SO FUNNY.........
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 09:45 PM [Full View]
Thirumaran,Vasanth,
It is ok..Like you guys,I am a die-hard kamal fan.I don't want to fight with you anymore.Kamal is the most talented artist with wide knowledge.
I don't want to see kamal fans talk bad about sivaji,as I am one among them..I knew cho incident ,which I have posted the same in old hub..When you guys talking about 'over-acting' over and over again ,I am speachless ..I have no arguements to counter you .,Arivu vera maathiri sonnaalum ,manasu kekkala ..Manasu innum sivaji maathiri innoru nadigan porakka mudiyathunnu solluthu ..sorry guys..I can't argue with manasu..carry on.
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From: great on 24th February 2006 09:46 PM [Full View]
machi, lollu sabha critisice all the movie irrespective of the actors.....evend red etc etc Originally Posted by ajithfederer
especially gauravam is too much overacting.......if u guys had seen lollu saba of gauravam......saaminathan would have done a hilarious job of aping shivaji....especially when he has the pipe in his mouth and when he says "DAMMIT"
IT WAS SO FUNNY.........
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 09:48 PM [Full View]
Thanks for making fun..But one thing ,Overact pannurathukku muthalla act panna theriyanum. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
especially gauravam is too much overacting.......if u guys had seen lollu saba of gauravam......saaminathan would have done a hilarious job of aping shivaji....especially when he has the pipe in his mouth and when he says "DAMMIT"
IT WAS SO FUNNY.........
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:50 PM [Full View]
Great Point. Originally Posted by joe
Thanks for making fun..But one thing ,Overact pannurathukku muthalla act panna theriyanum. Originally Posted by ajithfederer
especially gauravam is too much overacting.......if u guys had seen lollu saba of gauravam......saaminathan would have done a hilarious job of aping shivaji....especially when he has the pipe in his mouth and when he says "DAMMIT"
IT WAS SO FUNNY.........
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From: ajithfederer on 24th February 2006 09:50 PM [Full View]
LOLLU SABA MAKES FUN OF EVERYTHING THATS KNOWN TO EVERYONE..........
but they make fun of the punch dialogues action scenes and romantic scenes.........but saminathan he clearly did sivajis overacting in that movie..........
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From: nilavupriyan on 24th February 2006 09:52 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
..yeah..once we are fans we are....no other choice..we tend to like whatever our actor do!
the same might apply for kamal fans after years when the next generation actor's fans say kamal dint do well!
but fortunately(for kamal fans) noone till now seems that promising
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 09:56 PM [Full View]
True Nilavu. But i wish someone to show better than Shivaji, Kamal. Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
..yeah..once we are fans we are....no other choice..we tend to like whatever our actor do!
the same might apply for kamal fans after years when the next generation actor's fans say kamal dint do well!
but fortunately(for kamal fans) noone till now seems that promising
If no one can prove more than these people, then there is nothing to be prouded of.
I feel when generation moves, the future generation should show more talents than the previous one. Otherwise i think we will moving backward to the stone age.
I wish someone to show more talents than Shivaji and Kamal.
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From: ajithfederer on 24th February 2006 09:57 PM [Full View]
Dont worry Ultimate star Ajith is there.....wait for godfather........
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
True Nilavu. But i wish someone to show better than Shivaji, Kamal. Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
..yeah..once we are fans we are....no other choice..we tend to like whatever our actor do!
the same might apply for kamal fans after years when the next generation actor's fans say kamal dint do well!
but fortunately(for kamal fans) noone till now seems that promising
If no one can prove more than these people, then there is nothing to be prouded of.
I feel when generation moves, the future generation should show more talents than the previous one. Otherwise i think we will moving backward to the stone age.
I wish someone to show more talents than Shivaji and Kamal.
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From: Sanguine Sridhar on 24th February 2006 09:59 PM [Full View]
Nadippunna enna-nu MUDHALA paadam solli kodutha vaathiyar Shivaji thaan...Andha maagana kindal pannina Mr.Ajithfederar ungga thalaivar act pannuradha pathi sollanuma
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 10:04 PM [Full View]
Please guys,
Do not bring any younger actor's over here.
Let us wait for atleast 5 more years to see who is having the more talent.
thanks,
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 10:05 PM [Full View]
Naatula innum konjamaavathu theLivaanavanga irukkanga! Thanks Beckham! Originally Posted by Beckham
Nadippunna enna-nu MUDHALA paadam solli kodutha vaathiyar Shivaji thaan...Andha maagana kindal pannina Mr.Ajithfederar ungga thalaivar act pannuradha pathi sollanuma
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From: nilavupriyan on 24th February 2006 10:09 PM [Full View]
no thirumaran! Originally Posted by Thirumaran
True Nilavu. But i wish someone to show better than Shivaji, Kamal. Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
..yeah..once we are fans we are....no other choice..we tend to like whatever our actor do!
the same might apply for kamal fans after years when the next generation actor's fans say kamal dint do well!
but fortunately(for kamal fans) noone till now seems that promising
If no one can prove more than these people, then there is nothing to be prouded of.
I feel when generation moves, the future generation should show more talents than the previous one. Otherwise i think we will moving backward to the stone age.
I wish someone to show more talents than Shivaji and Kamal.
i believe kamal is person who we get once in a 100 years!
do u believe an actor who can direct hey raam>...who can write screenplays like devar mahan or write dialogues like kuridhi punal etc..
first of all getting an actor like kamal is difficult..with these talesnts?
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 10:11 PM [Full View]
No one will be having any doubt on that. Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 24th February 2006 10:11 PM [Full View]
I could not resist posting this.
I wanna clarify my stand here. I think most actors have FANatics NOTHING MORE.
Shivaji fans are DEVOUTs OF SHIVAJi.
Like how joe said, I know......thngs. I know he overacted during late 80z. but........... something stll HOLDS ME not to talk boutthose.
cal it whatever.
its BHAKTHI. i have for him. I CANT talk little of him. I prefer being biased and listen to what my passion says.
*****
aF etc.......
its hurting to see youner generation WITHOUT EVEN KNOwing WHO WAS SHIVAJI WHAT was his potential, what heights he climbed etc to make fun of his BAD PERFFFFFFORMANCEs ALONE.
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 10:14 PM [Full View]
Please do not consider me in this list. Of course i am from younger generation. But I respect Shivaji a lot. After all he his Kamal's Guru. Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
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From: Ramakrishna on 24th February 2006 10:17 PM [Full View]
AF just told how that particular role was made fun of in Lollu sabha.I don't think he tried to criticize Shivaji's overall. Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
Yes, Shivaji overacted in few movies and thats the truth.
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 10:18 PM [Full View]
Mr.Ajithfederer,
If you happened to see 'Kappalottiya Thamizhan',I don't know you may also complain it is overacting..(Hope you know who is Kappalottiya Tamizhan)
But you know what happened?V.O.Chidambaram's own son ,while watching the movie in a theatre ,forgot he was watching a movie and cried"Appa!Appa!" .Later he confesed he didn't see sivaji,but his father on screen..hmmm..there is no award in this world equal to this...
Funny you guys making fun on who?huh..
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From: njv on 24th February 2006 10:39 PM [Full View]
None in the current list of actors. Sorry. Have to wait atleast two more decade. Originally Posted by Thirumaran
I wish someone to show more talents than Shivaji and Kamal.
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From: Ramakrishna on 24th February 2006 10:41 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by njv
None in the current list of actors. Sorry. Have to wait atleast two more decade. Originally Posted by Thirumaran
I wish someone to show more talents than Shivaji and Kamal.
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 10:44 PM [Full View]
Moderators,
I request to lock or delete this thread.
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From: MADDY on 24th February 2006 11:42 PM [Full View]
joe, first of all u shuld realise Shivaji is not god and can be reviewed by people....... Originally Posted by joe
i feel kamal and shivaji are great actors, but i still do not see a great "natural" actor from tamil yet....rajini, to some extent, in black-white movies of 70's was a natural actor.....prakash raj and raghuvaran seem natural in villanious roles but not in other roles.....baliah (senior) was also a terrific natural actor.....
i know ppl. might find it weird but i think we need to think beyond kamal and shivaji as we have a good pool of artistes.....maybe not as natural as we wud like them to be....
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From: m_23_bayarea on 24th February 2006 11:44 PM [Full View]
MADDY !!! Welcome to the Tamil movies section of the hub ... Looks like your visit to this part of the hub is required more often !!!
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 11:50 PM [Full View]
யாரை எங்கே வைப்பது என்றே யாருக்கும் தெரியல்லே!
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 11:54 PM [Full View]
Guys. Please stop bringing all the young actors here. They have a long way to go. Let us discuss about Nadigar thilagam and his follower. No one else please.
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From: Ramakrishna on 24th February 2006 11:55 PM [Full View]
Thiru sir, Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Guys. Please stop bringing all the young actors here. They have a long way to go. Let us discuss about Nadigar thilagam and his follower. No one else please.
I was just kidding there.
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From: Thirumaran on 24th February 2006 11:59 PM [Full View]
I know that RK. But better when something related to Shivaji and MGR is getting involved better we should avoid some fun like this. Originally Posted by Ramakrishna
Thiru sir, Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Guys. Please stop bringing all the young actors here. They have a long way to go. Let us discuss about Nadigar thilagam and his follower. No one else please.
I was just kidding there.
They were the legends and they are no more with us. It is not a good manners to compare them with younsters even if it is a joke.
At the most we can relate Shivaji with Kamal
And MGR with Rajini.
that is it. Kamal and Rajini has already shown their talents.
But not the others. Hope everyone understands.
thanks,
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From: joe on 24th February 2006 11:59 PM [Full View]
இறைவா,
கணேசன் என்னும் கலைப்பொக்கிஷத்தை ஏன் இந்த அருமை தெரியாத ,தகுதியற்ற தமிழர் கூட்டத்தில் பிறக்க வைத்தாய்?
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From: Thirumaran on 25th February 2006 05:01 AM [Full View]
Joe and SP,
I am sorry for using few harsh statements in my post. After reading that for few times i realise now my mistake.
Sometimes the rough character, which is hidden in me comes out and shows the immaturity level.
I could feel now how you all would have felt.
Once again i feel extremely sorry for that.
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From: m_23_bayarea on 25th February 2006 07:59 AM [Full View]
Pls relax Joe !!! Originally Posted by joe
இறைவா,
கணேசன் என்னும் கலைப்பொக்கிஷத்தை ஏன் இந்த அருமை தெரியாத ,தகுதியற்ற தமிழர் கூட்டத்தில் பிறக்க வைத்தாய்?
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From: tacinema on 25th February 2006 11:29 AM [Full View]
Joe: I like your postings, but it is better that we can combine all those materials and release them as a book. There are plenty of materials about Sivaji available in the open market, which should be collected and made as a book. We need to preserve those treasures and the future tamil cinema needs them. The man who created and made history in tamil cinema should be given proper place in the history.
Thirumaran: I appreciate you dissected my posting and tried to analyze it. But I am afraid to say that your arguments are not correct. First, kamal fans should learn to agree their idol mistakes. IF you take a close look at my posting, I said some of 80s Sivaji's movies were crap. I know they were not Sivaji's quality. A bad movie is a bad movie, no matter however you tried to convice me, period. If you say Kamal's MExpress/Sankar lal/managamma sabatham/kadal meengal/enakkul oruvan/neeyaa etc. are good, then no body in the world is going to agree either with you or with any other kamal fans. Also, you are falling flat on your own argument. If you say that you haven't seen VPkattabooman in full, then you should not argue with me. When I say that sivaji made history with his first movie, then you come back and tell me that Sivaji was lucky. Luck was no factor for his unbelievable success in his first movie. His sheer hard work and dedication made it. His punctuality made it. Sivaji's punctuality, hard work and dedication are well known in film world. FYI: Karnan was not a flop movie. To know more about Karnan's run, search in Google and find out or refer old Saradha's posting.
All Kamal Fans: When you open a thread "for best actor", discuss only acting department or anything appears directly on screen. Not dialogue writing, singing, camera, direction, and so on, they are background jobs. If you are going to combine all under acting department, then only T.Rajendar/K.Bhagyaraj could compete. Again, in each of these "other" departments, they are other better qualified people around. Also, can someone tell me what is an experimental movie? Cinema itself is an experimental/dream world. Just because Kamal's movies are different, it does not mean they are experimental. If that is the case, all Cheran movies should come under "experimental" category. Again, SOME (not all) of kamal movies are direct copy of hollywood movies and you should not classify them as experiements.
Remember Sivaji was a director's actor. With that restriction he gave mind boggling movies. He was given different assignments such as freedom fighter, lawyer, police officer, family man, father, slave, poor, rich, egoistic person, emotional guy,womenizer, lover, comedy, love failure and he amazingly portrayed each of these and made them history. This was in straight contrast to his arch rival MGR, who, in most part, acted as savior of poor people. This is what I mean subtle performance. Sivaji was not only successful in performance, but he was commercially blockbuster. Don't you guys now agree that Kamal or any other actor is still struggling in performance compared to N.Thilagam?
When it comes to Sivaji's movies, it is just sivaji movie. The director/comedian are immaterial. He is the only pillar in his movie, he and only he was considered. If you look at his block busters such as vasantha maaligai, the movie did not have comedy part (though Nagesh is there). Just Sivaji lifted the movie and it is just like today's Rajini movies. Another example: Pattikata Pattanama was the highest collected movie in b/w category; that movie did not have good comedy and songs are not as catchy as you expect. Still, he lifted the movie just with his presence. Even MGR did not have that privilege, he always needed good comedy and songs. The conclusion is Just sivaji's presence made the magic. After Sivaji, only Rajini can fit this bill.
So, acting started with Sivaji and ended with him. Every others can act, but the fact is their action will revolve around Sivaji's domain
** I am going to post this in Sivaji's thread also **
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 25th February 2006 11:42 AM [Full View]
MAddy,
Incase u are UNAWARE of recognition got by him INTERNATIONALLY check it out in shivaji's thread.
I dont think A TAMILIAN NEEDS BETTER RECOGNITION THAT THAT.
Thanks for saying TAMILIANS are yet to discover NATURAL ACTOR.
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From: Alien on 25th February 2006 04:43 PM [Full View]
Very very funny Originally Posted by tacinema
BTW, none is struggling with performances, def not Kamal Haasan
I can give u numerous instances ....
What in the world would "acting started with Sivaji and ended with him." mean ???
Please , open ur eyes
and abt presence ... there can b no greater insult to MGR, Kamal ... thanks
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From: nilavupriyan on 25th February 2006 05:43 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by tacinema
kamal's lots of movies are examples of one man show!
nayagan
indian
guna
salangai oli
micheal madhana kama rajan
oru kaidhiyin diary
aboorva sagodharargal
punnagai mannan
indran chandran etc... are all one man shows..its kamal who lifted the movie!.
kamal doesnt need anyone great to make his movies a hit!
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From: Sanjeevi on 25th February 2006 09:05 PM [Full View]
Cool guys
Kamal = Shivaji and
Shivaji = Kamal
OKva kamal fans and shivaji fans. I hope everyboxy will accept this
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 25th February 2006 09:13 PM [Full View]
there can b no greater insult to MGR
MGR?????????????
********
sari vidunga.
sanjeevi......
shivaji = kamal (NOOOOOOWAY)
Kamal= Shivaji (NOOOOOWAY)
Both has diff TYPE of performances great in its own way.
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From: Justice on 25th February 2006 09:15 PM [Full View]
sp akka
you many not like MGR, but don't insult him
if we start to do the same then......
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 25th February 2006 09:21 PM [Full View]
Justice,
MGR can not be categorised as GOOD ACTOR.
He was a good entertainer. Good politician. Multitalented person MAY BE. period.
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From: Justice on 25th February 2006 09:22 PM [Full View]
but ..... can be? Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
many say shivaji over-acted...but that was in his generation....
kamal doens't seem to over-act...
....
you're seeing MGR as WE see shivaji
so.... MGR is not an actor for you...
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 25th February 2006 09:26 PM [Full View]
FINE.
shivaji over acted. HE NEVER EVEN KNEW TO ACT.
rajni is not at all a good actor.
KAMAL is BEST.
MGR IS KING OF ACTORS
is that fine?
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From: Alien on 25th February 2006 09:29 PM [Full View]
SP akka, I wrote this in response to the points abt "Presence" (to make a film hit) !! Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
I donno how u conveniently misunderstand them ??
anywayz gotta go now .....
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From: great on 25th February 2006 09:30 PM [Full View]
jana, i am counting
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 25th February 2006 09:35 PM [Full View]
GREAT,
hehe
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From: MADDY on 25th February 2006 11:03 PM [Full View]
SP, i really admire shivaji for his acting skills and his achievements.....but i guess he was unbearable with some movies like gauravam,thanga padhakkam, vietnam veedu etc etc.......i think shivaji and kamal are outstanding theatrical actors but not natural actors....acting comes to them naturally but natural feel doesent come in their acting.....and i think i'm entitled to express my views here Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
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SP, i think we have had this discussion in indian films section also, the concept of a gud actor varies from person to person....so dont make general statements like MGR is not a good actor........i prefer to watch MGR's movies on TV now, rather than watching shivaji's movies......
m_23_bayarea, i'm always there for counter-opinions....... ...thanks for welcoming me here......
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From: Nerd on 25th February 2006 11:07 PM [Full View]
How about crazy mohan??kamal doesnt need anyone great to make his movies a hit!
Now dont bring in his serious movies here!
All his *hit* comedy movies were mainly due to crazy's one-liners. Everyone here knows the fate of MX where crazy is soarly missed
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From: Nerd on 25th February 2006 11:13 PM [Full View]
nayagan -- MANI RATNAM, IR
indian -- SHANKAR, ARR
guna --
salangai oli --
micheal madhana kama rajan -- CRAZY ALL THE WAY
oru kaidhiyin diary --
aboorva sagodharargal --
punnagai mannan -- KB'S RIVETING SCREENPLAY
indran chandran
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From: MADDY on 25th February 2006 11:21 PM [Full View]
adding to kasi's observation Originally Posted by kasi_sce
nayagan -- MANI RATNAM, IR
indian -- SHANKAR, ARR
guna --
salangai oli --
micheal madhana kama rajan -- CRAZY ALL THE WAY
oru kaidhiyin diary --
aboorva sagodharargal --
punnagai mannan -- KB'S RIVETING SCREENPLAY
indran chandran
nayagan -- MANI RATNAM, IR
indian -- SHANKAR, ARR
guna --
salangai oli -- k.viswanath
micheal madhana kama rajan -- CRAZY ALL THE WAY
oru kaidhiyin diary --
aboorva sagodharargal -- singeetham and IR
punnagai mannan -- KB'S RIVETING SCREENPLAY
indran chandran
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 03:29 AM [Full View]
Sir, Originally Posted by tacinema
I am just replying to the things you have asked me.
No one here said that the movies Sankar lal/managamma sabatham/kadal meengal/enakkul oruvan/neeyaa are good movies or so. Of course they are bad movies. I dont think any kamal fan here will come and tell that all the kamal movies are good. We all are bold like Kamal/Shivaji/Shivaji fans to accept the truth. Even for me SKV is not a good movie. However i dont think there were any fault in his acting in those movies mentioned. For me ME is quite a good movie. A different comedy rather. Several people may not like that. It depends.
I said Shivaji was lucky to act as a hero in his first movie itself. I did not say he was lucky to create history. Actually we the people of TN are lucky in that matter. Otherwise we could have missed some great movies from our Nadigar Thilagam. Of course Shivaji's achievements are 200% due to his hard work and dedication. And the same statement is applicable for many people who made history in their respective fields.
In Cine field I consider as of now 4.
1. Shivaji
2. MGR
3. Kamal
4. Rajini
I am not sure on the collections on the movie Karnan. But i think during the same period some ordinary MGR movie released and made lots of money than Karnan.
However as i mentioned there is no need for talking abt collections here. Some of Kamal's great movies were bad in the box office and some of the great movies made excellent collections also. I think the same is applicable for Shivaji too.
It is better to talk only abt the performance.
Thanks,
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 06:28 AM [Full View]
Kasi, have u gone crazy all the way !!
Have u seen "PESUM PADAM"- A COMEDY MOVIE without any dialogues !!! It was a BLOCKBUSTER !!!
Do u think ANY OTHER ACTOR IN TAMIL CINEMA could have done MMKR??????
Even if for ur ludicurous notion abt crazy , Did crazy find any success in movies other than Kamal movies ??? Pls inform me !
Like whatever u said 4 Kamal movies, the same thing can b said 4 ur rajni movies !
But rem, like MGR he has given Blockbusters all by himself (Devar Magan, Virumaandi, AS ...)
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:00 AM [Full View]
Absolutely Akka !!! Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 07:03 AM [Full View]
Actually, thatz true, except for the latter part of the statement on Shivaji !
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:06 AM [Full View]
Machi, I'm not into this .... Personally, I cant comment on Sivaji cos I'm too young for that ... But from what I heard from my parents, he's prolly the greatest actor ... And my Dad is a big fan of MGR .. And I almost know all his songs by heart ... I can comment on Rajini and Kamal though ... Kamal is a great actor, while Rajini is Superstar ... That's abt it ...
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 07:13 AM [Full View]
yeah, I know ... I was JK ....Only 1 statement would I agree with
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:16 AM [Full View]
Ok !! So what's your order ... I know Kamal is no. 1 ... but what abt others ? Could you pls rank them for me from MGR-Sivaji times to now ... Just curious .. Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
yeah, I know ... I was JK ....Only 1 statement would I agree with
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From: great on 26th February 2006 07:16 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Machi, I'm not into this .... Personally, I cant comment on Sivaji cos I'm too young for that ... But from what I heard from my parents, he's prolly the greatest actor ... And my Dad is a big fan of MGR .. And I almost know all his songs by heart ... I can comment on Rajini and Kamal though ... Kamal is a great actor, while Rajini is Superstar ... That's abt it ... are u sure
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:26 AM [Full View]
Dude, did you take any oath to kalaasify me anywhere you went ?? Originally Posted by great
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Machi, I'm not into this .... Personally, I cant comment on Sivaji cos I'm too young for that ... But from what I heard from my parents, he's prolly the greatest actor ... And my Dad is a big fan of MGR .. And I almost know all his songs by heart ... I can comment on Rajini and Kamal though ... Kamal is a great actor, while Rajini is Superstar ... That's abt it ... are u sure
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 07:26 AM [Full View]
Bay, Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Ok !! So what's your order ... I know Kamal is no. 1 ... but what abt others ? Could you pls rank them for me from MGR-Sivaji times to now ... Just curious .. Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
yeah, I know ... I was JK ....Only 1 statement would I agree with
What is your Top 5?
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From: great on 26th February 2006 07:28 AM [Full View]
nothing like that machi Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Dude, did you take any oath to kalaasify me anywhere you went ?? Originally Posted by great
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Machi, I'm not into this .... Personally, I cant comment on Sivaji cos I'm too young for that ... But from what I heard from my parents, he's prolly the greatest actor ... And my Dad is a big fan of MGR .. And I almost know all his songs by heart ... I can comment on Rajini and Kamal though ... Kamal is a great actor, while Rajini is Superstar ... That's abt it ... are u sure ,but somehow this caught my attention
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:29 AM [Full View]
Rajini (my choice) Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Bay, Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Ok !! So what's your order ... I know Kamal is no. 1 ... but what abt others ? Could you pls rank them for me from MGR-Sivaji times to now ... Just curious .. Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
yeah, I know ... I was JK ....Only 1 statement would I agree with
What is your Top 5?
Kamal (my mom's choice)
Sivaji (everybody's choice)
MGR (my dad's choice)
Vikram (my choice)
When I say my Dad and Mom's choice, it's their influence that made me like them ... I'm sure you understand ...
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 07:29 AM [Full View]
Ayyo bay , pls no ranking business 4 now... these threads r tricky, I'd better reserve ....
I'd rephrase the other 3 statements
Shivaji is the King of Actors ! (though he overacted, like Joe says , U must first know to act , to overact !)
Rajni - A good actor & smart mass hero ! (He built his career on his positiveness, maybe due to his restrictions didn't try roles that needed great acting prowess)
MGR - King of Heroes !
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:29 AM [Full View]
ESCAPUUUU !!! Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
Ayyo bay , pls no ranking business 4 now... these threads r tricky, I'd better reserve ....
I'd rephrase the other 3 statements
Shivaji is the King of Actors ! (though he overacted, like Joe says , U must first know to act , to overact !)
Rajni - A good actor & smart mass hero ! (He built his career on his positiveness, maybe due to his restrictions didn't try roles that need great acting prowess)
MGR - King of Heroes !
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:31 AM [Full View]
Sari Sari !! You're so cool !! Originally Posted by great
nothing like that machi Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Dude, did you take any oath to kalaasify me anywhere you went ?? Originally Posted by great
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Machi, I'm not into this .... Personally, I cant comment on Sivaji cos I'm too young for that ... But from what I heard from my parents, he's prolly the greatest actor ... And my Dad is a big fan of MGR .. And I almost know all his songs by heart ... I can comment on Rajini and Kamal though ... Kamal is a great actor, while Rajini is Superstar ... That's abt it ... are u sure ,but somehow this caught my attention
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 07:32 AM [Full View]
Bay Cool.
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From: great on 26th February 2006 07:33 AM [Full View]
bay cool cool
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 07:35 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
ESCAPUUUU !!!
U know I may have to dwell upon this thread, so its better this way ...ESCAPUUU !!
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 07:35 AM [Full View]
Nice Definitions. Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
Ayyo bay , pls no ranking business 4 now... these threads r tricky, I'd better reserve ....
I'd rephrase the other 3 statements
Shivaji is the King of Actors ! (though he overacted, like Joe says , U must first know to act , to overact !)
Rajni - A good actor & smart mass hero ! (He built his career on his positiveness, maybe due to his restrictions didn't try roles that needed great acting prowess)
MGR - King of Heroes !
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:36 AM [Full View]
Thiru and Great !! COOL COOL COOL !! I think the author of this thread is prolly gonna maul me for spamming ...
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 07:36 AM [Full View]
Gotcha !!! Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
ESCAPUUUU !!!
U know I may have to dwell upon this thread, so its better this way ...ESCAPUUU !!
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 07:39 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Nice Definitions.
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 08:51 AM [Full View]
one simple question... Originally Posted by kasi_sce
How about crazy mohan??kamal doesnt need anyone great to make his movies a hit!
Now dont bring in his serious movies here!
All his *hit* comedy movies were mainly due to crazy's one-liners. Everyone here knows the fate of MX where crazy is soarly missed
did other heroes write dialogues for their movies?....all the punch dialogues of rajni where written by others...shall i say rajni dint win single handedly and all the success is due to them?
its how the heroes speak the dialogue!....if u say rajni is good in dialogue delivery(the punch dialogues etc etc)..we could say kamal is good in comedy!
even shivaji needed aaroordas...the famous script writer!
shall i say shivaji won because of aaroordas....nearly all the famous films are writen by aarroor das!
if u watch in this angle....then kamal is the only person who wins single handedly...because he writes dialogues,story,screenplay etc..
dont ever think anyone can perform micheal madhana kama rajan and make hit because of crazy mohan's dialogues!
i dont think anyone in india can perforom these 4 different roles to perfection...may be blabber "paambru...... "
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 08:59 AM [Full View]
why do u give the techinians list here?......we are arguining abt the actors who share the screen to make a movie hit...so i said kamal doesnt need anyone great to share the screen! Originally Posted by kasi_sce
nayagan -- MANI RATNAM, IR
indian -- SHANKAR, ARR
guna --
salangai oli --
micheal madhana kama rajan -- CRAZY ALL THE WAY
oru kaidhiyin diary --
aboorva sagodharargal --
punnagai mannan -- KB'S RIVETING SCREENPLAY
indran chandran
....first read what we are arguing abt!
kasi....if u consider technicians ...then shivaji,rajni and m.g.r alll dint make any movies hits..only kamal!because kamal is the only person who produce,direct,write screenplay,dialogue,story and sing in his film...
he is the only person who wins single handedly!he doesnt need any great technicians behind him....only ilayaraja the maestro!
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 09:02 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
one simple question... Originally Posted by kasi_sce
How about crazy mohan??kamal doesnt need anyone great to make his movies a hit!
Now dont bring in his serious movies here!
All his *hit* comedy movies were mainly due to crazy's one-liners. Everyone here knows the fate of MX where crazy is soarly missed
did other heroes write dialogues for their movies?....all the punch dialogues of rajni where written by others...shall i say rajni dint win single handedly and all the success is due to them?
its how the heroes speak the dialogue!....if u say rajni is good in dialogue delivery(the punch dialogues etc etc)..we could say kamal is good in comedy!
even shivaji needed aaroordas...the famous script writer!
shall i say shivaji won because of aaroordas....nearly all the famous films are writen by aarroor das!
if u watch in this angle....then kamal is the only person who wins single handedly...because he writes dialogues,story,screenplay etc..
dont ever think anyone can perform micheal madhana kama rajan and make hit because of crazy mohan's dialogues!
i dont think anyone in india can perforom these 4 different roles to perfection...may be blabber "paambru...... "
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From: kb on 26th February 2006 09:06 AM [Full View]
the theatre operator also makes his part well otherwise audio and video track will not coincide...
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 09:07 AM [Full View]
KB machi !!! Apdinaaa ? Originally Posted by kb
the theatre operator also makes his part well otherwise audio and video track will not coincide...
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From: kb on 26th February 2006 09:09 AM [Full View]
illa dialogue delivery nalla irrukum sonnanga illa.. athugu sonnaen.. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
KB machi !!! Apdinaaa ? Originally Posted by kb
the theatre operator also makes his part well otherwise audio and video track will not coincide...
enna kolly kitta irrundhu avatar vaadaiki vaangirteengala
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 09:12 AM [Full View]
Oh Apdiyaa ?? Ok ok .. Originally Posted by kb
illa dialogue delivery nalla irrukum sonnanga illa.. athugu sonnaen.. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
KB machi !!! Apdinaaa ? Originally Posted by kb
the theatre operator also makes his part well otherwise audio and video track will not coincide...
enna kolly kitta irrundhu avatar vaadaiki vaangirteengala
Aamaam, Avangala nambi projanam illanu therinju pochu !!!
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 09:20 AM [Full View]
Ignorant funny agruements!Best thread to laugh at!!
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 09:21 AM [Full View]
Anna !! Mannichudunga !! Originally Posted by joe
Ignorant funny agruements!Best thread to laugh at!!
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 09:24 AM [Full View]
Neenga ennathaan Shriya Padam Poattu Sorry Kaetaalum, Joe'va Yaemaatha mudiyaathu. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Anna !! Mannichudunga !! Originally Posted by joe
Ignorant funny agruements!Best thread to laugh at!!
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 09:27 AM [Full View]
Ayyou thirumaraaaa !!!!
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 09:35 AM [Full View]
Young people assume everything based on the current trend ..They better check with their parents .These people think Sivaji less successful in box office,which shows their ignorance .MGR needed excellent songs and good comedy to make his movies succesful ..But record shows sivaji was able to deliver blockbusters mostly rely on his presence and peformance more than racy screen play,songs and other aspects of the movies .sivaji is the only actor released two of his movies released on the same day and both blockbusters ..In tamil cinema history ,there is only one movie (Veerapandiya kattabomman) ran for 100 days it is second release after 20 years of it's original release.
Many people think ,Sivaji's box office capability is lesser than MGR ,by thinking MGR movies are more commercials and sivaji's movies are serious ..But the truth is reverse .There was a say "for MGR movies,tharai ticket filled first and balcony last ,while sivaji movies ,starts from bolcony and ends with tharai ticket",that is the power of sivaji ..without political backup like MGR ,sivaji had more fans clubs than MGR througout the state...Better you guys need to check with your parents.
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 09:40 AM [Full View]
Joe Anna, I dont understand why you even feel like justifying all those facts to us, being the fan of the BEST actor ever in Tamil ... We've grown up hearing all these things ... And no matter what young ppl of today say, we all know how GREAT Sivaji is .... In fact, even Kamal has said so many times like Sivaji is like the SUN, and he in fact got so angry at one of the interviewer who asked Kamal if he thought he surpassed Sivaji in acting ... And even my Thaliavar spoke so high of him in CM 200th day function .. So please relax Anna ...
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 09:43 AM [Full View]
Bay thambi,
I didn't include you in the list ..You are the one I like a lot!
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 09:47 AM [Full View]
joe...even shivaji had wonderful songs....i dont remember any movie of shivaji with bad songs! Originally Posted by joe
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 09:48 AM [Full View]
Thanks !! I like you a lot too ... Originally Posted by joe
Did I tell you how handsome Sivaji was in that brown T-Shirt in POOMAALAIYIL song in Ooty Varai Uravu ... My mom said when they screened that movie in Loyola College, all the youth whistled like crazy !! Really ??
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 09:59 AM [Full View]
Nilavu,
Sivaji movies had great songs ,but the difference is ,MGR made sure all the songs in his movies should be maximum fine tuned..After MGR became star ,all the songs,tunes,lyrics must be approved by him,that is 'ezuthappadatha sattam' ,while sivaji trust directors and never invlove in song making ,but finally steal the show for his performance for the songs ..MGR was briiliant and intelligent ,he knows his performance alone can't make a movie hit ,that is why he concentrate more on Songs and Comedy track in his movies ..Mostly MGR films have all songs excellent ,while many sivaji movies only few songs in a movie are exceptional ,others average ,at the time directors have a confident ,any story will be succesful if sivaji act.
I am a sivaji veriyan ,but when I list my all time top 10 movies ,none of them are sivaji movies ,most of them are kamal movies ..But irrespective of the ameture story ,unrealstic sentiments and imperfect director ,I still can watch sivaji movies just because to see sivaji's action and stylish presence...
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:00 AM [Full View]
ha ha..Bay thambi,I didn't study in Loayala,But St.joseph's trichy..I am 34 now. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Thanks !! I like you a lot too ... Originally Posted by joe
Did I tell you how handsome Sivaji was in that brown T-Shirt in POOMAALAIYIL song in Ooty Varai Uravu ... My mom said when they screened that movie in Loyola College, all the youth whistled like crazy !! Really ??
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 10:01 AM [Full View]
Anga thaan na neenge thappu panreenga !! Oops Nilavu !! Hope you dint read it ... Originally Posted by joe
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 10:03 AM [Full View]
Illa Anna, but that song and movie, was that considered as TOOOO romantic in those days, that only the youngsters liked it so much ?? Originally Posted by joe
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:04 AM [Full View]
May be,surprisingly ,my mothers's most favourite song is the same. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Illa Anna, but that song and movie, was that considered as TOOOO romantic in those days, that only the youngsters liked it so much ?? Originally Posted by joe
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:06 AM [Full View]
My favourite sivaji song is "Malarnthum malaratha paathimalar pola" ,it is a combination of many of my favorites Sivaji,savithri,TMS,P.suseela,Kannadasan,MSV,Beem singh.
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 10:07 AM [Full View]
he could have made memorable movies even after 50 if the directors had used him.i wonder why they dint use such a talent Originally Posted by joe
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 10:12 AM [Full View]
So when Sivaji Sir won some big award (National or State) donno ... Looks like Barathiraja thrashed the award panel saying, "What the heq did Sivaji do in Muthal Mariyaathai that he dint do throughout his career so far??? " ... Now this question shows how unrecognized and unlucky Sivaji Sir was ...
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 10:15 AM [Full View]
Sorry Joe, I now understand better abt "presence" Originally Posted by joe
... U make me think more too ... Even rajni's movies also rely on that practice, must have everything , good songs (preferably ARR), comedians.......Whereas a Guna had nothing(Except one of the alltime best melody) & still did well in A centres........ Ok, I don't want to divert from the topic ...
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:21 AM [Full View]
Don't worry bay thambi,,our sivaji got many international recoginaition ,no other indian can't even imagine.. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
So when Sivaji Sir won some big award (National or State) donno ... Looks like Barathiraja thrashed the award panel saying, "What the heq did Sivaji do in Muthal Mariyaathai that he dint do throughout his career so far??? " ... Now this question shows how unrecognized and unlucky Sivaji Sir was ...
1.Asian African Best actor award -Cario,Egypt
2.The only actor,second indian after Nehru who appointed as a honoury mayor for the city for a day,Nayagara,US
3.The only Indian actor who is recognised by many hollywood actors including Marlon Brando (Photo links given in Nadigar Thilagam Thread)
4.Frech govt gave 'Chelavlie award' after 6 months research on sivaji movies and the panel includes oscard award winners,unonimously approved sivaji for 'Chevalie' ..when they seek ipnion from sathiyajithray who was the only one Indian received'Chelavie' then ,he said "If you want only one actor from india who deserves,it is none other tha sivaji".
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 10:23 AM [Full View]
Joe, Originally Posted by joe
Sorry to interrupt. I think you are very much under estimating MGR. MGR is not only an actor. He is also a technician who takes interest in every aspect. If shivaji is not interested in other areas(music) why to blame others who takes interest in other areas. By the way if only songs made him a big star, there are movies like Naan Yaen Piranthaen, etc... which were flops also had great songs. And several movies which had nice humours also flopped.
If only songs and comedy scenes makes a movie hit, then there would have lots of hit movies would have been there in TN.
This is the mistake several of the Shivaji fans are doing. They feel only their idol is great and all others are not good.
Also you were mentioning something like Tharai Ticket. What is the fun over there. Dont we have any respect for the ones who suffers a lot for the other's happiness.
Also you are saying because of Politics MGR became more popular. If he would have been the one who got more benefitted, then he could have never ruled TN for 11 years continously. I believe it was the other way around. The other politicians benefitted more because of MGR's Popularity.
The kind of popularity he has even now will show that..
And please do not make arguments like people are not talented enough or something like that.
I know that Shivaji has more hits than MGR.
At the same time Shivaji acted more than 2 times of movies MGR had acted.
Check with the Success Ratio.
Please do not under estimate the actors you were not much interested with.
Take a poll in Tamil Nadu even now considering all the categories of People and all the actors from past to present asking "Who is their Favouite Cine Personality ever".
MGR will definetly win taking more votes than anyone.
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From: m_23_bayarea on 26th February 2006 10:23 AM [Full View]
Yeaahhhh !!! Originally Posted by joe
Don't worry bay thambi,,our sivaji got many international recoginaition ,no other indian can't even imagine.. Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
So when Sivaji Sir won some big award (National or State) donno ... Looks like Barathiraja thrashed the award panel saying, "What the heq did Sivaji do in Muthal Mariyaathai that he dint do throughout his career so far??? " ... Now this question shows how unrecognized and unlucky Sivaji Sir was ...
1.Asian African Best actor award -Cario,Egypt
2.The only actor,second indian after Nehru who appointed as a honoury mayor for the city for a day,Nayagara,US
3.The only Indian actor who is recognised by many hollywood actors including Marlon Brando (Photo links given in Nadigar Thilagam Thread)
4.Frech govt gave 'Chelavlie award' after 6 months research on sivaji movies and the panel includes oscard award winners,unonimously approved sivaji for 'Chevalie' ..when they seek ipnion from sathiyajithray who was the only one Indian received'Chelavie' then ,he said "If you want only one actor from india who deserves,it is none other tha sivaji".
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From: tacinema on 26th February 2006 10:26 AM [Full View]
nilavu,
Again you are making the same mistake: when the thread asks for best actor, why are you bringing dialog, camera, story, screenplay, bgm, fgm etc into account? Just consider acting. In acting dept, you can say Kamal is generally good, not the best. There are exceptions, like Aboorva Sagotharargal is a great performance. In Virumaandi, Kamal is good, but Pasupathy kind of stole the show. Same was the case with MExpress. Considering this, Kamal may be a better director than a better actor. Seems he knows how to pick correct people for correct part in the movie. Kamal should act under great directors to prove his versatility and K.Viswanath seems extracted a lot out of Kamal in salangai oli and chipikkul Muthu. Kamal needs to continue that to make you guys happy.
You are talking about MMKR and saying none can perform that. Watch Bale Pandiya, real treat to you, 3 sivajis and 2 MRRadhas and then you will realize MMKR is a mediocre movie compare to this. What a competition between sivaji and MRR in this very sucecssful and comedy movie. Some body was telling Kamal success rate is more than Sivaji. History will laugh at them with that illusion. Sivaji movie Rate of Return (ROR) is one of the best ever and is lot more than even MGR movies. Number of Sivaji's 100 days to silver jubiles movies should be more than the total number of movies Kamal acted; plus include all >175 days movies. Sivaji movies like Vasantha Maaligai and Gauravam, as per record, ran over a year in Sri Lanka. Sivaji's sorgam and e.vanthal released on same deepavali day and both were very successful.
I agree Kamal is a good actor, but saying he is the best is little over board.
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:34 AM [Full View]
Thirumaran,
when you make bold my statements you purposly exclude this "MGR was briiliant and intelligent " ,that shows you didn't understand me and how I praise MGR as a multitalented artist.
Regarding who benefitted most,though I wanted to argue ,I don't want to fight with nice guy like you anymore..Let it be.
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From: Alien on 26th February 2006 10:35 AM [Full View]
tacinema,
Nobody said Kamal's success rate is more than Sivaji's !!! ...U've terribly misread somthing ....
BTW The record run in Sri lanka was Kamal's "Guru" , with more than an year & the biggest hit there ever !!
And one more thing , those days' movies had lots of scope of becoming hits , coz ppl easily thronged to theatres with lesser distractions(unlike VCD,etc.,) !! That was not the case later ! Don't misunderstand me I'm taking no credit away from Sivaji ! ... But its hard to compare BO of different generations !
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 10:38 AM [Full View]
tacinema...i have also watched "bale pandiya" many times in television! Originally Posted by tacinema
if u say that is a better performance than "miceal madhana kama rajan" ...it shows how shivaji fanatic u are..
in bale pandiya shivaji did overact many times!...many times!
mmkr is not a simple thing to act...he speaks 4 different types of slang...he did 4 different types of body language.....
i dont find anything in "bale pandiya" that is special than mmkr!
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From: tacinema on 26th February 2006 10:40 AM [Full View]
I am having fun here today.
Thirumaran,
I do not see anyting wrong in Joe's statement. To rectify MGR serious shortcomings in acting part, he concentrated in comedy, songs, young actresses, dazzling location, kanavu scenes (only heroines do that), etc. to make it hit. Say, consider Anbe vaa, take off Nagesh comedy, songs, kanavu hit song, there is nothing in that movie. But you cannot say that Sivaji movie. Consider Gauravam: Take off comedy, few songs, heroine and still that is a great movie, would have run the same number of days as it did.
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 10:42 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
I excluded that statement as you are saying that in a sarcastic manner.
anyway joe,
I am also not interested in these kind of arguments as i feel this may end up in losing great friends like you.
Anyway see you,
bye...
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:45 AM [Full View]
Thiru, Originally Posted by Thirumaran
It seems still you havn't corrected your misunderstanding.
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 10:52 AM [Full View]
Every actor of TN including Shivaji were part of all those mentioned in bold. One thing i understood tacinema. Your world is too small where you see Shivaji Everywhere and for you everyone is nowhere when comparing to Shivaji. Originally Posted by tacinema
Now you take off the Comedy scenes, etc from the movie Gauravum and keep the scenes involving shivaji only and make it run for atleast 5 days in any Major theatre in Chennai. I swear i will never come to this forum hereafter.
I am from a rural background. Even nowdays in the villages if they screen MGR movies it will collect more money than many new films itself.
By the even after MGR got shot in his throat, he did not go for a dubbing voice. He would have easily gone for that. He believed people of TN will accept him and they did the same.
Do not make any silly arguments.
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:55 AM [Full View]
//Now you take off the Comedy scenes, etc from the movie Gauravum and keep the scenes involving shivaji also and make it run for atleast 5 days in any Major theatre in Chennai. I swear i will never come to this forum hereafter. //
Oh!my GOD! Unbleivable statements..Replace sivaji with any other actor will make 'Gowrawam' a crap movie ..Gowrawam is one of the movies proves sivaji's screen presence
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 11:01 AM [Full View]
true! Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Every actor of TN including Shivaji were part of all those mentioned in bold. One thing i understood tacinema. Your world is too small where you see Shivaji Everywhere and for you everyone is nowhere when comparing to Shivaji. Originally Posted by tacinema
Now you take off the Comedy scenes, etc from the movie Gauravum and keep the scenes involving shivaji only and make it run for atleast 5 days in any Major theatre in Chennai. I swear i will never come to this forum hereafter.
I am from a rural background. Even nowdays in the villages if they screen MGR movies it will collect more money than many new films itself.
By the even after MGR got shot in his throat, he did not go for a dubbing voice. He would have easily gone for that. He believed people of TN will accept him and they did the same.
Do not make any silly arguments.
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 11:02 AM [Full View]
true! Originally Posted by Thirumaran
Every actor of TN including Shivaji were part of all those mentioned in bold. One thing i understood tacinema. Your world is too small where you see Shivaji Everywhere and for you everyone is nowhere when comparing to Shivaji. Originally Posted by tacinema
Now you take off the Comedy scenes, etc from the movie Gauravum and keep the scenes involving shivaji only and make it run for atleast 5 days in any Major theatre in Chennai. I swear i will never come to this forum hereafter.
I am from a rural background. Even nowdays in the villages if they screen MGR movies it will collect more money than many new films itself.
By the even after MGR got shot in his throat, he did not go for a dubbing voice. He would have easily gone for that. He believed people of TN will accept him and they did the same.
Do not make any silly arguments.
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 11:11 AM [Full View]
If you feel only the performance of Shivaji is more than enough then I cannot say any things. Then he would have never had any flops. Since he said MGR's movies ran for other things, and Shivaji movies can run without anything, i was forced to say that. First of all Cinema is a team effort. Everyone has their parts in the success of any movie. I think we should not under estimate others to show the greatness of Shivaji. Originally Posted by joe
Also i have made those brilliant things bold.
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 11:15 AM [Full View]
OK thirumaran! Originally Posted by Thirumaran
If you feel only the performance of Shivaji is more than enough then I cannot say any things. Then he would have never had any flops. Since he said MGR's movies ran for other things, and Shivaji movies can run without anything, i was forced to say that. First of all Cinema is a team effort. Everyone has their parts in the success of any movie. I think we should not under estimate others to show the greatness of Shivaji. Originally Posted by joe
Also i have made those brilliant things bold.
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From: Thirumaran on 26th February 2006 11:21 AM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
OK thirumaran!
This is the best way to end the unnecessary arguments.
Bye Joe.
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 11:30 AM [Full View]
shivaji doesnt need good music or anything?
he need aarurdas...can anyone deny it?
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 11:39 AM [Full View]
Nilavu, Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
You may think all sivaji movies written by AArur Dhas ..Most of the AArurdhas movies with sivaji are Beem signh's 'Pa' series movies ..Sivaji didn't need aaroor dhas ..But it is otherway ..Aaaroor dhas need sivaji,to have confident and write dialogues apt for sivaji ..Aaroor dhas later writen dialogues to MGR too ..Do you know anything significant..
Kalainjar to Parasakthi ,Sakthi krishnasami to VPKattabomman ,Vietnam veedu sundaram to gowrawam all got recognition when sivaji gave life to their dialogues..
On those days ,in between movies they made small darams only for sivaji ..'Asokan' drama in Annaiyin aanai ,'Othello' drama in Rathathilagam ,Anarkali in 'IllaRa jothy' ,'Thirupoor kumaran' in Rajapart rangathurai ...and many more ..These all writen for only one reason ,that is ,sivaji is the hero of that movie.
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 12:01 PM [Full View]
exactly what i say!...crazy mohan might have written to many!..but its kamal who makes it big! Originally Posted by joe
Nilavu, Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
You may think all sivaji movies written by AArur Dhas ..Most of the AArurdhas movies with sivaji are Beem signh's 'Pa' series movies ..Sivaji didn't need aaroor dhas ..But it is otherway ..Aaaroor dhas need sivaji,to have confident and write dialogues apt for sivaji ..Aaroor dhas later writen dialogues to MGR too ..Do you know anything significant..
Kalainjar to Parasakthi ,Sakthi krishnasami to VPKattabomman ,Vietnam veedu sundaram to gowrawam all got recognition when sivaji gave life to their dialogues..
On those days ,in between movies they made small darams only for sivaji ..'Asokan' drama in Annaiyin aanai ,'Othello' drama in Rathathilagam ,Anarkali in 'IllaRa jothy' ,'Thirupoor kumaran' in Rajapart rangathurai ...and many more ..These all writen for only one reason ,that is ,sivaji is the hero of that movie.
k vishwanath couldnt have done a salangai oli without kamal!
etc etc!
thanks joe!
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 12:09 PM [Full View]
True! True! Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
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From: tacinema on 26th February 2006 12:14 PM [Full View]
Thirumaran,
My world is not small. I am the first one told you guys that most of sivaji movies in 80s were crap. You know why MGR movies run today in villages? There is a political angle for that and it is very unique to TN. This attitude,I believe, is one of the major reasons why villages are not prospering as they deserve and I do not want to go for that discussion. This is not the correct forum.
BTW, there is no comedy in Gowravam.. though Nagesh is there, those scenes do not evoke any laughter. In fact, even the heroine is there for just name sake. it is full and full hero movie. In the movie, have you seen Sivaji appearing as King George? The song and his appearance are just mesmerizing. Go and watch buddy!!!
I am just a fan of sivaji. In fact, I was born after gauravam was released. You said you are from rural area; I am from a place in TN, which is a kind of semi urban village town/city. As your info say, I guess you live in Stamford, CT. If so, I am not far from you.
I am sure you are very nice personlity to deal with!! don't take it seriously. have fun!!
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 12:29 PM [Full View]
Tacinema,
Thanks for remind me king george!.see my avatar.
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From: Aravind_06 on 26th February 2006 05:24 PM [Full View]
I dont know how many of you had seen most of sivaji films.
ofcourse, its Sivaji the best.
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From: nilavupriyan on 26th February 2006 08:44 PM [Full View]
<digression>
finished watching "kireedam"!
excellent performance by lal!
</digression>
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 26th February 2006 09:05 PM [Full View]
Arvind
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From: lancelot on 26th February 2006 09:45 PM [Full View]
to me it's allways Kamal..... but i havent seen much of Sivaji's movies......
so may not be able to judge......
hehe
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 26th February 2006 09:53 PM [Full View]
Actually its not a WISE IDEA TO VOTE bet kamal and shivaji DURING 2006. Had this vote been taken 20 years back.......... the result would be TOPSY-TURVY.
20 PERCENT of the members who come here DO NOT KNOW who is shivaji
10 PERCENT of them HAVE NOT SEEN even a single mvoie
Rest 50 percent HAVE SEEN his 80z movie AND rated him accordingly.
Sad.
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From: joe on 26th February 2006 10:13 PM [Full View]
Perfectly Right Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
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From: nickraman on 26th February 2006 10:20 PM [Full View]
Sivaji's overrated
Kamal is where it's at...
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 26th February 2006 10:22 PM [Full View]
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From: Sanjeevi on 26th February 2006 10:28 PM [Full View]
hey niruthungappa
shivaji had over acting including acting talent and kamal has acting including over acting
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From: kanya_kris on 26th February 2006 10:50 PM [Full View]
There i no doubt Kamal is good. But there is no need to underrate Shivaji. Originally Posted by nickraman
Shivaji is the first one who showed us what is acting.
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From: great on 26th February 2006 10:53 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by kanya_kris
There i no doubt Kamal is good. But there is no need to underrate Shivaji. Originally Posted by nickraman
Shivaji is the first one who showed us what is acting. , kanya do u like mgr
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From: kanya_kris on 26th February 2006 10:55 PM [Full View]
My anna likes MGR very much. I have seen only few MGR movies. No comments. Originally Posted by great
, kanya do u like mgr
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From: m_23_bayarea on 27th February 2006 01:35 AM [Full View]
Absolutely !! Originally Posted by kanya_kris
There i no doubt Kamal is good. But there is no need to underrate Shivaji. Originally Posted by nickraman
Shivaji is the first one who showed us what is acting.
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From: captain on 27th February 2006 01:58 AM [Full View]
This thread is abolute trash. We know Sivaji is the best in his generation and Kamal in his generation.. It's nonsensical to compare two generation stars, both were/are perfect in their time. I'm proud that we had a heir for Sivaji but not sure if we ever will have a successor for Kamal as the young generation is going on an odd path. I'm not saying they've no talent.. they do but have no guts to act in such roles these two have performed in. Sticking to the topic...I know the ultimate generation will prefer Kamal and the past generation will prefer Sivaji... We can't compare both and say he acted well and he over-acted in all scenes. If Kamal was born in the past generation and Sivaji in this generation, then the Sivaji supporters will be praising Kamal and Kamal supporters will be praising Sivaji.. This is why...two era stars should NOT be compared. Also comparing BO success.. this is where I go mad. Before a tickets costed less than a rupee now around 50 or 100, I'm not sure. So in present time.... even a flop film can earn more money than a hit movie from the past... But we have to admit the value of a rupee has changed. IMO Sivaji and Kamal are two genius but by comparing the both.. we are ridiculing them. We tend to demean one to od the other one. This applies to both side supporters.. I welcome a discussion where nobody ridicule the other actor.. if that's not possilbe here, we should ask the moderators to close the thread.
sorry if I've hurt anyone
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From: m_23_bayarea on 27th February 2006 02:01 AM [Full View]
Awesome post !!! I think you just hit the nail here .... Hopefully this will end all the debate and comparisons bet Sivaji and Kamal ... Originally Posted by captain
This thread is abolute trash. We know Sivaji is the best in his generation and Kamal in his generation.. It's nonsensical to compare two generation stars, both were/are perfect in their time. I'm proud that we had a heir for Sivaji but not sure if we ever will have a successor for Kamal as the young generation is going on an odd path. I'm not saying they've no talent.. they do but have no guts to act in such roles these two have performed in. Sticking to the topic...I know the ultimate generation will prefer Kamal and the past generation will prefer Sivaji... We can't compare both and say he acted well and he over-acted in all scenes. If Kamal was born in the past generation and Sivaji in this generation, then the Sivaji supporters will be praising Kamal and Kamal supporters will be praising Sivaji.. This is why...two era stars should NOT be compared. Also comparing BO success.. this is where I go mad. Before a tickets costed a less than a rupee now around 50 or 100, I'm not sure. So in present time.... even a flop film can earn more money than a hit movie from the past... But we have to admit the value of a rupee has changed. IMO Sivaji and Kamal are two genius but by comparing the both.. we are ridiculing them. We tend to demean one to od the other one. This applies to both side supporters.. I welcome a discussion where nobody ridicule the other actor.. if that's not possilbe here, we should ask the moderators to close the thread.
sorry if I've hurt anyone
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From: captain on 27th February 2006 02:16 AM [Full View]
Thank you Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Awesome post !!! I think you just hit the nail here .... Hopefully this will end all the debate and comparisons bet Sivaji and Kamal ... . That's the best from my side.. ignorance is the reason to all the dilemmas here... If all of us contribute something useful then those who don't know about any of them may learn. hopefully.. we can end the arguements and start discussions I read your posts, you are awesome, very rational posts.
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From: m_23_bayarea on 27th February 2006 02:30 AM [Full View]
Dude !!! You've already made my day once ... But thanks again !! Come to chat thread ... Originally Posted by captain
Thank you Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
Awesome post !!! I think you just hit the nail here .... Hopefully this will end all the debate and comparisons bet Sivaji and Kamal ... . That's the best from my side.. ignorance is the reason to all the dilemmas here... If all of us contribute something useful then those who don't know about any of them may learn. hopefully.. we can end the arguements and start discussions I read your posts, you are awesome, very rational posts.
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From: THALABATHY on 27th February 2006 11:11 AM [Full View]
NO ONE CAN ACT LIKE SIVAJI....
BUT I GOT ONLY 1 QUESTION...
CAN SIVAJI ACT LIKE KAMAL LIKE HE DID IN ANBE SIVAM
I BET U ALL WE CAN'T FIND ANY ACTOR TO ACT LIKE ANBE SIVAM KAMAL IN THIS WORLD
EVEN HOLLYWOODS ACTORS ALSO CAN'T DO DAT....
I BET ALL
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From: joe on 27th February 2006 11:26 AM [Full View]
Vaanga thalapathi!
Neenga oruthar thaan paaki.
Unga pangukku ketteenga oru sariyana kelvi..sivaji-yala anbe sivam chartecter-la nadikka mudiyathu ..vaazha ungkal kelvi!
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From: joe on 27th February 2006 11:27 AM [Full View]
//I BET ALL//
Bet-lam ethukkunga..paavam sivaji polachu pohattum.
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From: Scale on 27th February 2006 11:33 AM [Full View]
Joe,
neengha yen ivvalavu seramam eduthukureengha.
Take it in this way, Atleast Shivaji has a successor in certain form. Whereas ....innum 10 varushathula idha vida mosamana muraila orutharoda kamala compare panna poraangha. Shud I mention "WHO"?
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From: Justice on 27th February 2006 11:35 AM [Full View]
very intelligent post....rarely seen in the hub nowadays... Originally Posted by Scale
Joe,
neengha yen ivvalavu seramam eduthukureengha.
Take it in this way, Atleast Shivaji has a successor in certain form. Whereas ....innum 10 varushathula idha vida mosamana orutharoda kamala compare panna poraangha. Shud I mention "WHO"?
anyway who's that?
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From: kb on 27th February 2006 11:36 AM [Full View]
i guess it would be vikram or surya.. thayavu senji SIMBU thanushnnu sollidaatheenga Originally Posted by Scale
Joe,
neengha yen ivvalavu seramam eduthukureengha.
Take it in this way, Atleast Shivaji has a successor in certain form. Whereas ....innum 10 varushathula idha vida mosamana muraila orutharoda kamala compare panna poraangha. Shud I mention "WHO"?
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From: joe on 27th February 2006 11:47 AM [Full View]
கண்டிப்பா அது ஒரு ஆறுதலான விஷயம் .சிவாஜிக்கு கமல் மாதிரி ஒரு தகுதியுள்ள சிஷ்யன்,வாரிசு கிடைத்தது மகிழ்ச்சிக்குரிய விஷயம். Originally Posted by Scale
Joe,
neengha yen ivvalavu seramam eduthukureengha.
Take it in this way, Atleast Shivaji has a successor in certain form.
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From: Scale on 27th February 2006 12:26 PM [Full View]
Thats the problem of the most Intelligent HC-KH fans to identify Originally Posted by Justice
very intelligent post....rarely seen in the hub nowadays... Originally Posted by Scale
Joe,
neengha yen ivvalavu seramam eduthukureengha.
Take it in this way, Atleast Shivaji has a successor in certain form. Whereas ....innum 10 varushathula idha vida mosamana orutharoda kamala compare panna poraangha. Shud I mention "WHO"?
anyway who's that?
Come On Guys, Goahead! I am here to face the consequences.
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From: Shakthiprabha. on 27th February 2006 01:48 PM [Full View]
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From: MazhaiKuruvi on 23rd June 2007 10:37 AM [Full View]
ivunga rendu peraiyum vitta vera yaarum kannukku padalaiya. There were/are many gems. If you ask who was more popular then may be this question is ok.
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From: MazhaiKuruvi on 23rd June 2007 10:45 AM [Full View]
Appdiya, then how to explain Sivaji's contorted face that fills most close up scenes and Kamal's mentally retarded one. Originally Posted by captain
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Sari eventhough I dont like Kamal, I can say he has good acting talent, but often times one does see that 16 vayadhinile face where it is not required.
Mr. Jivaji, I don't know where to start. His really ooooold black and white movies are ok.
Some other old time actors that could act, Sivakumar, Muthuraman, ThEngai.
Kamal's time, Pratap Pothen was good, so was Mohan.
Now, Cheeyaan seems to have good acting talent, and vijay too to some extent, but I find vijay doing some stunt type acting too.
This is my 2 paise worth
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From: ThalaNass on 23rd June 2007 08:36 PM [Full View]
Of course its kamal.. sivaji-na yaaru?? Sivaji rao??
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From: ThalaNass on 23rd June 2007 08:38 PM [Full View]
Aiyo Aiyo.. kaamedy keemedy panlaye?? Originally Posted by MazhaiKuruvi
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From: joe on 23rd June 2007 09:40 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by ThalaNass
Of course its kamal.. sivaji-na yaaru?? Sivaji rao?? Surely shows your ignorance 
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From: kandiban on 23rd June 2007 09:56 PM [Full View]
Barath is the best ,,,,,,.......ppppwm,dsjidficvjinivnjsdnvd
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From: VENKIRAJA on 24th June 2007 05:01 PM [Full View]
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From: ThalaNass on 24th June 2007 05:33 PM [Full View]
Originally Posted by joe
Originally Posted by ThalaNass
Of course its kamal.. sivaji-na yaaru?? Sivaji rao?? Surely shows your ignorance sorry Joe, not meant to b ignorant..
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From: sriranga on 25th June 2007 10:35 AM [Full View]
sivaji ganesan is the best actor ever in tamil cinema. i don't think anyone can match him.
look at parasakthi, his first movie.
(skeptics can say he has theatre experience and all), but the court scene will be remembered till tamil cinema exists.
he has done a variety of roles. you name it he has done it.
thiruvarutchelvar, saraswathi sabatham, kataboman, thiruvilaiyadal to name a few.
he has done the actual dasavatharam in thirumal perumai.
if you think of lord shiva, only sivaji's face will come to your mind. he has done so many movies as lord shiva.
all the wannabe actors of these days should do versatile roles and prove themselves to even be named along side him.
the actors nowadays are bunch of jokers thats it.
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From: joe on 25th June 2007 10:42 AM [Full View]
Sriranga
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From: sriranga on 25th June 2007 10:53 AM [Full View]
In the new crop of actors, kanja karuppu seems to have excellent timing for acting. tamil cinema still has some hope. Originally Posted by joe
Sriranga
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From: sriranga on 25th June 2007 10:53 AM [Full View]
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From: sriranga on 25th June 2007 10:53 AM [Full View]
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From: joe on 25th June 2007 10:55 AM [Full View]
Sriranga,
Now I feel whether you used Vanjapugazhchi
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From: sriranga on 25th June 2007 11:05 AM [Full View]
no, i mean it. he has the timing for comedy. thats just one facet of acting. Originally Posted by joe
Sriranga,
Now I feel whether you used Vanjapugazhchi
i think kamal has shown some facets of acting. not all. he has to do versatile roles.
i think Kamal wasted lot of time in the 80s and 90s doing craps like
andha oru nimidam, few films with ambika like uyarndha ullam which had zero scope for acting. i think his best periods have been wasted by the directors of those times. i wish he could've done some historicals, mythological movies in those times.
sivaji ganesan has everything and proved it.
kamal comes a distant second, IMO.
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From: raaja_rasigan on 25th June 2007 07:08 PM [Full View]
appadi ellam nadichu field out aaga solreengala.... Originally Posted by sriranga
no, i mean it. he has the timing for comedy. thats just one facet of acting. Originally Posted by joe
Sriranga,
Now I feel whether you used Vanjapugazhchi
i think kamal has shown some facets of acting. not all. he has to do versatile roles.
i think Kamal wasted lot of time in the 80s and 90s doing craps like
andha oru nimidam, few films with ambika like uyarndha ullam which had zero scope for acting. i think his best periods have been wasted by the directors of those times. i wish he could've done some historicals, mythological movies in those times.
sivaji ganesan has everything and proved it.
kamal comes a distant second, IMO.
bcoz of his sakalakala vallavan type roles... he had a chance to give some really good movies in between
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From: sriranga on 25th June 2007 07:40 PM [Full View]
how are you so sure if he acts in movies with scope for acting, those will fail. Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan
appadi ellam nadichu field out aaga solreengala.... Originally Posted by sriranga
no, i mean it. he has the timing for comedy. thats just one facet of acting. Originally Posted by joe
Sriranga,
Now I feel whether you used Vanjapugazhchi
i think kamal has shown some facets of acting. not all. he has to do versatile roles.
i think Kamal wasted lot of time in the 80s and 90s doing craps like
andha oru nimidam, few films with ambika like uyarndha ullam which had zero scope for acting. i think his best periods have been wasted by the directors of those times. i wish he could've done some historicals, mythological movies in those times.
sivaji ganesan has everything and proved it.
kamal comes a distant second, IMO.
bcoz of his sakalakala vallavan type roles... he had a chance to give some really good movies in between
do you remeber a movie by name "naanum oru thozhilali". intha padam panna time-la oru nalla padam panni irukka mudiyadha?
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From: raaja_rasigan on 26th June 2007 09:42 AM [Full View]
masala padangal pannadhaaldhan avarukkum oru market irukku.... adhanmoolama sila pala experiments panra dhairiyam irukku... Originally Posted by sriranga
Hey ram & Anbe sivam are very good films... but financially it doesn't do well....... but still he is experimenting bcoz he has a substantial market for his films that he got from the films like sakalakala vallavan type movies
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From: raaja_rasigan on 26th June 2007 09:56 AM [Full View]
unga avatar partha rajini rasigar madhiri theriyudhu.... so he is the best example to explain my point... Originally Posted by sriranga
rajiniyin manadhirkku piditha padangalaga mullum malarum, ragavendra, baba....... ponravaigal irukkum......
avarukku piditha madhiri padam kuduthukittu irundhirundha varthaga reedhiya innaikku super star agi irupparnu solla mudiyadhu.... rasigargalukku piditha masala padangalai koduthadhaaladhan super star andhasthukku uyarthirukkar.....
babavin tholvikku (as per rajini standards) piragum avarai veithu padam edukkirargal endral adharkku karanam masala padangalal avar petra market dhaan.....
SIVAJI - THE BOSS -il nalla karuthai (black money, tax pay) solvathrkku koda masala thadavi koduthaaldhane accept pannikolgireergal, Rajini irundhalum..........
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From: groucho070 on 26th June 2007 09:57 AM [Full View]
Hey, someone revived this thread and I never had input in them. Just voted myself.
As for Kamal doing masala crap, well, I agree with RR that you need to do that sometimes. It widens your audience and allows you to do more worthwhile stuff.
In between stuff like Gauvaram and Deiva Magan, NT was doing masalaic stuff like Raja or Vaira Nenjam.
Some are good entertainment and some are turds like Chitra Pournami for NT or Antha Oru Nimidham for Kamal.
Plus in the eighties there was a dearth of good scriptwriters and directors. Good scriptwriters and directors were the ones who prefer to do smaller subject without Kamal and Rajini, so they are stuck with the hacks like SPM and Rajasekhar.
As for why I voted for NT? Hehe....
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From: joe on 26th June 2007 10:03 AM [Full View]
I think it is directed by Sridhar ..Probably kamal didn't even think twice to act in a movie directed by one of the greatest directors of Tamil cinema ..But at the end ,it is shocking to see the outcome .. Originally Posted by sriranga
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From: P_R on 26th June 2007 10:13 PM [Full View]
appidiyA Originally Posted by joe
I think it is directed by Sridhar ..Probably kamal didn't even think twice to act in a movie directed by one of the greatest directors of Tamil cinema ..But at the end ,it is shocking to see the outcome .. Originally Posted by sriranga
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From: joe on 26th June 2007 10:30 PM [Full View]
Yes..I think this movie got some problem in production ,may be in production for long time ...color contrasts in some scenes ,even kamal looks different in different scenes ..looks like a incomplete movie Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
appidiyA Originally Posted by joe
I think it is directed by Sridhar ..Probably kamal didn't even think twice to act in a movie directed by one of the greatest directors of Tamil cinema ..But at the end ,it is shocking to see the outcome .. Originally Posted by sriranga
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From: sriranga on 27th June 2007 08:07 AM [Full View]
IMO, kamal didn't do enough roles and did lot of craps in the 80's and 90's and wasted the golden chance to overtake sivaji and prove that he is better than sivaji in terms of acting.
i don't know the reasons for it. i think kamal would be the best person to answer that.
regarding I being a fan of rajni, I am a fan of good and clean movies (one that entertains me, masala thadavinaallum seri thadavavitallum seri).
i honestly feel kamal would be a better director than an actor.
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From: joe on 27th June 2007 08:10 AM [Full View]
Sriranga,
NT fans-kkum kamal fans-kkum chindu mudiyireengala?
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From: m_23_bayarea on 27th June 2007 08:19 AM [Full View]
IMO, any thread that might lead to comparisons should be locked! And we all knowww whyyyy!
Threads like these...
* Top 5 ____!
* The Best _____ ever!
* The Greatest ____ of all time!
* X vs Y!
etc etc....
Cos comparisons are purely SUBJECTIVE, RELATIVE, and OPIONIATED!
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From: Alek Niranjan on 29th June 2007 01:40 PM [Full View]
Alfred Bay Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea
IMO, any thread that might lead to comparisons should be locked! And we all knowww whyyyy!
Threads like these...
* Top 5 ____!
* The Best _____ ever!
* The Greatest ____ of all time!
* X vs Y!
etc etc....
Cos comparisons are purely SUBJECTIVE, RELATIVE, and OPIONIATED!
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From: lavanya22rit on 29th June 2007 02:43 PM [Full View]
AFAIR this film was started in 1981 with Sridhar (abt 40% of the movie) in 1981 just after Savaal.....and after a gap of 5 yrs it was completed with another lesser known director in 1986 Originally Posted by joe
Yes..I think this movie got some problem in production ,may be in production for long time ...color contrasts in some scenes ,even kamal looks different in different scenes ..looks like a incomplete movie Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
appidiyA Originally Posted by joe
I think it is directed by Sridhar ..Probably kamal didn't even think twice to act in a movie directed by one of the greatest directors of Tamil cinema ..But at the end ,it is shocking to see the outcome .. Originally Posted by sriranga
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From: Murali Srinivas on 29th June 2007 05:02 PM [Full View]
This movie under the name" SAkthi" was started by Sridhar in 1981 Ambika had just made her debut in Tamil. The movie suffered many hiccups in the years that passed by and finally when the last schedule shooting started it was renamed as "Meendum Suryodhayam". MGR was the CM at that time and somebody told Sridhar it is not advisable to go for this title which indirectly implies that DMK would come back(Udaya Suryan). So Sridhar changed the title to "Naanum Oru thozhilali" which incidentally happened to be one among the many films launched by MGR but which never progressed beyond certain stage. Originally Posted by lavanya22rit
AFAIR this film was started in 1981 with Sridhar (abt 40% of the movie) in 1981 just after Savaal.....and after a gap of 5 yrs it was completed with another lesser known director in 1986 Originally Posted by joe
Yes..I think this movie got some problem in production ,may be in production for long time ...color contrasts in some scenes ,even kamal looks different in different scenes ..looks like a incomplete movie Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
appidiyA Originally Posted by joe
I think it is directed by Sridhar ..Probably kamal didn't even think twice to act in a movie directed by one of the greatest directors of Tamil cinema ..But at the end ,it is shocking to see the outcome .. Originally Posted by sriranga
So Naanum Oru thozhilali was indeed completed by Sridhar and released on 1st May 1986. Another thing that happened was Sakthi was originally taken in Cinemascope format but changed to ordinary 35 MM format when it was released as NOT. So at times the scenes in the movie would be blurd and out of focus.
Sridhar on the same day(1st May 1986) released his another movie "Yaaro Ezhuthiya Kavidhai " (based on Vaasanthi's kuru novel starring Sivakumar & Jayashree) which had music by Anand Sankar a famous musician of Calcutta. But as everybody must be aware both these films bombed. ( It is another interesting story that the second movie mentioned was remade in Malayalam [Innale] ofcourse with a different ending and proved to be a huge success
Regards
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From: prasana84 on 30th June 2007 06:51 PM [Full View]
undoubtely its nadikar thilakam shivaji no one can equalise this legend.