India - Australia ODI Series 2010

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• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  After the just concluded nail-biting Test series in which Ponting's Aussies lost all and sundry, the ODI Series is upon us. Since Ponting has bagged his baggy green in his check-in bag and leaving the shores of India at first light tomorrow, the onus is now on Michael Clarke to put all his personal failings of the test series behind him and lead the Aussie side ranked No 1. The Aussies are way ahead in terms of points and a ODI series 'brown'wash would pull the Aussies back into the pack. The Indian side is not without changes as well. The master, the blaster and the bowlers are all rested for this series. It provides a wonderful opportunity for all the hopefuls and the hopeless (you know who I am talking about ) to make a strong case for either their inclusion or omission for series' leading into the future. This series might not have the nerve-racking excitement of the test series but with such iconic icon players as Jadeja and Yuvi, it is guaranteed entertainment.
  
  -- Yours truly

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:12 PM [Full View]

  Squads

  
  
  

  Australia
  
  Ferguson returns, Ponting rested for India ODIs
  
  Australia have rested the senior trio of Ricky Ponting, Shane Watson and Mitchell Johnson for the one-dayers against India later this month. In Ponting's absence, Michael Clarke will lead a side that includes South Australia batsman Callum Ferguson, who has made a comeback after a year on the sidelines due to a knee injury.
  
  Injuries to Shaun Tait and Ryan Harris mean Doug Bollinger will spearhead an inexperienced fast bowling unit that includes Clint McKay (12 matches), and the uncapped pair of Mitchell Starc and James Pattinson.
  
  Queensland's James Hopes and New South Wales' Steve Smith will vie for the allrounder's spot, and big-hitting opening batsman David Warner makes a return to the one-day squad. There was no place for either wicketkeeper Brad Haddin or fast bowler Peter Siddle, both of whom are recovering from injuries and the selectors felt it was too premature to risk them in international cricket.
  
  "Ricky faces a very demanding domestic summer on his return to Australia," Andrew Hilditch, Australia's chief selector, said, "and will have no other opportunity for a break from the start of the domestic season until after the much-awaited World Cup."
  
  Hilditch gave similar explanations for leaving out Watson and Johnson. "It is essential to the balance of our side that Shane can open the batting and play the all-round role. we have decided the best way of ensuring he can play this role is for him to miss the one-day component of this series," he said. "Mitchell is now the leader of our bowling attack, and with numerous injuries to our fast bowling stocks at present, it is essential we manage his workload so he can get through the domestic summer and the ICC Cricket World Cup."
  
  The three-ODI series is from October 17-24.
  
  Squad: Michael Clarke (capt), Cameron White, Doug Bollinger, Callum Ferguson, Nathan Hauritz, James Hopes, Mike Hussey, Shaun Marsh, Clint McKay, Tim Paine (wk), James Pattinson, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, David Warner
  
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  India
  
  Dhawan picked, Tendulkar rested for Australia ODIs
  
  Shikhar Dhawan, the Delhi opener, is the only new face in a weakened 14-man squad for the three-ODI series against Australia which starts on Sunday. As many as seven first-choice players, including Sachin Tendulkar, have been omitted from the squad; while Tendulkar, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan and Pragyan Ojha have been rested, Virender Sehwag, Gautam Gambhir and Ishant Sharma have been left out with minor injuries.
  
  Dhawan, 24, scored a century in the Challenger Trophy earlier this week and was a regular member of the Mumbai Indians' march to the IPL final this year. He was also Delhi's highest scorer in the domestic one-day tournament last season, making 355 runs in the Vijay Hazare Trophy. The absence of India's three established one-day openers - Tendulkar, Gambhir and Sehwag - has provided the opportunity for Dhawan, who is likely to be accompanied by Tamil Nadu's M Vijay at the top of the order.
  
  "It was always at back of my mind that if I keep performing well I will get a chance," Dhawan told ESPNcricinfo. "The IPL was a great learning experience. It's like an international tournament, playing with paaji [Tendulkar, with whom he opened the innings for Mumbai Indians] playing such a level gives you lots of confidence. if I get a chance to play for India I'll be more confident since I've played at that kind of level."
  
  Dhawan already has played with many players who are important members of the Indian team. Besides Tendulkar, he was a team-mate of Harbhajan and Zaheer for Mumbai in the IPL, and the national team has plenty of Delhi players - Sehwag, Gambhir, Virat Kohli and Ashish Nehra. "That is going to help a lot since I won't feel out of the team," Dhawan said. "Though I am a youngster and just getting in, there is already a comfort level with several of the team-mates."
  
  Another player for whom this will be a big series is Tamil Nadu offspinner R Ashwin, who forms the spin department along with Ravindra Jadeja. Ashwin was instrumental in Chennai Super Kings' title wins in the IPL and the Champions League Twenty20 this year and could get several matches since the spinners ahead of him in the pecking order, Harbhajan and Ojha, are missing.
  
  Saurabh Tiwary, the Jharkhand batsman who has been part of the squad for the past two one-day tournaments without getting a match, has been included, as has Karnataka medium-pacer Vinay Kumar, who played one ODI during the Zimbabwe tour earlier this year.
  
  Squad: MS Dhoni (capt & wk), M Vijay, Shikhar Dhawan, Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Saurabh Tiwary, R Ashwin, Praveen Kumar, Ashish Nehra, Munaf Patel, Vinay Kumar, Ravindra Jadeja, Rohit Sharma

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:12 PM [Full View]

  Aussies have won their last 3 bilateral series in India

  
  
  

  Aussies have won their last 3 bilateral series in India. Time to set the record straight.
  
  
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  Australia in India ODI Series 2000/01 -- Result: Australia 3-2 (5)
  
  
  1st ODI: India v Australia at Bangalore - Mar 25, 2001
  India 315 (49.5 ov); Australia 255 (43.3 ov)
  India won by 60 runs
  
  2nd ODI: India v Australia at Pune - Mar 28, 2001
  India 248/9 (50 ov); Australia 249/2 (45.1 ov)
  Australia won by 8 wickets (with 29 balls remaining)
  
  3rd ODI: India v Australia at Indore - Mar 31, 2001
  India 299/8 (50 ov); Australia 181 (35.5 ov)
  India won by 118 runs
  
  4th ODI: India v Australia at Visakhapatnam - Apr 3, 2001
  Australia 338/4 (50 ov); India 245 (45 ov)
  Australia won by 93 runs
  
  5th ODI: India v Australia at Margao - Apr 6, 2001
  India 265/6 (50 ov); Australia 269/6 (48 ov)
  Australia won by 4 wickets (with 12 balls remaining)
  
  
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  Australia in India ODI Series 2007/08 -- Result: Australia 4-2 (7)
  
  
  1st ODI: India v Australia at Bangalore - Sep 29, 2007
  Australia 307/7 (50 ov); India 9/1 (2.4 ov)
  No result
  
  2nd ODI: India v Australia at Kochi - Oct 2, 2007
  Australia 306/6 (50 ov); India 222 (47.3 ov)
  Australia won by 84 runs
  
  3rd ODI: India v Australia at Hyderabad (Deccan) - Oct 5, 2007
  Australia 290/7 (50 ov); India 243 (47.4 ov)
  Australia won by 47 runs
  
  4th ODI: India v Australia at Chandigarh - Oct 8, 2007
  India 291/4 (50 ov); Australia 283/7 (50 ov)
  India won by 8 runs
  
  5th ODI: India v Australia at Vadodara - Oct 11, 2007
  India 148 (39.4 ov); Australia 149/1 (25.5 ov)
  Australia won by 9 wickets (with 145 balls remaining)
  
  6th ODI: India v Australia at Nagpur - Oct 14, 2007
  Australia 317/8 (50 ov); India 299/7 (50 ov)
  Australia won by 18 runs
  
  7th ODI: India v Australia at Mumbai - Oct 17, 2007
  Australia 193 (41.3 ov); India 195/8 (46 ov)
  India won by 2 wickets (with 24 balls remaining)
  
  
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  Australia in India ODI Series 2009/10 -- Result: Australia 4-2 (7)
  
  
  1st ODI: India v Australia at Vadodara - Oct 25, 2009
  Australia 292/8 (50 ov); India 288/8 (50 ov)
  Australia won by 4 runs
  
  2nd ODI: India v Australia at Nagpur - Oct 28, 2009
  India 354/7 (50 ov); Australia 255 (48.3 ov)
  India won by 99 runs
  
  3rd ODI: India v Australia at Delhi - Oct 31, 2009
  Australia 229/5 (50 ov); India 230/4 (48.2 ov)
  India won by 6 wickets (with 10 balls remaining)
  
  4th ODI: India v Australia at Mohali - Nov 2, 2009
  Australia 250 (49.2 ov); India 226 (46.4 ov)
  Australia won by 24 runs
  
  5th ODI: India v Australia at Hyderabad (Deccan) - Nov 5, 2009
  Australia 350/4 (50 ov); India 347 (49.4 ov)
  Australia won by 3 runs
  
  6th ODI: India v Australia at Guwahati - Nov 8, 2009
  India 170 (48 ov); Australia 172/4 (41.5 ov)
  Australia won by 6 wickets (with 49 balls remaining)
  
  7th ODI: India v Australia at Mumbai - Nov 11, 2009
  Match abandoned without a ball bowled
  
  
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• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  --reserved--

  
  

• From: MADDY on 13th October 2010 09:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  most HUBbers actively recommend reservation, adhukkaga ippadiya

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  most HUBbers actively recommend reservation, adhukkaga ippadiya

  Allo, mudkkaradhukkulla interrupt pannitteenga

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 09:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  intha 3 match-ku yethukku ipdi...

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  intha 3 match-ku yethukku ipdi...

  Test series-ku Feddy 9-10 post-la ennennamo potturundhaaru. adhaan
  
  sari sari poll suggestions please.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 09:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  wait... oru poll option solren... :P

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 09:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Which young gun will rock in this series?!
  
  1.Ravichandran Ashwin
  2.Shikhar Dhawan
  3.Ravindra Jadeja
  4.Virat Kohli
  5.Praveen Kumar
  6.Suresh Raina
  7.Rohit Sharma
  8.Saurabh Tiwary
  9.Murali Vijay
  10.Vinay Kumar
  
  Is it ok? i think this poll will be interesting and bring good discussion.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Poll suggestion nalla irukku . aanaa andha 3rd option enakku pudikkalai

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 09:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  lol... ada avan thanpa youngo youngu intha list-la.... ungaluku pudikkalaina pudicahvanukku vote podunga.... :P

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 09:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yuvi is more like me: Richards
  
  Calcutta: Legendary West Indian cricketer Vivian Richards feels that Yuvraj Singh, and not Virender Sehwag, plays like him.
  
  “It’s Yuvraj who plays more like me and has got my style of approach, not Sehwag. You will notice a Caribbean flair in his batting and when he gets going…
  
  “He is deadly and can just tear apart any attack. We still remember those six sixes he hit off as many balls,” said the former West Indies captain on the sidelines of a function, here, on Tuesday.

  http://www.telegraphindia.com/110101...y_13052163.jsp

  
  

• From: Plum on 13th October 2010 09:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hubbers vEndukOLikkiNanga, I have decided to vote for jadeja

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 09:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Hubbers vEndukOLikkiNanga, I have decided to vote for jadeja

  

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 13th October 2010 09:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum! My Pick - Emerging Bowler: Ashwin

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 09:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ungalukku than vinay kumar, dhawan ellam pudikkathey....athula orutharuku vote pannunga... i m requesting this on behalf of all other hubbers...

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 13th October 2010 09:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  ungalukku than vinay kumar, dhawan ellam pudikkathey....athula orutharuku vote pannunga... i m requesting this on behalf of all other hubbers...

  irukkaradhulayE yaaru romba pudikkaadhO, yaarai neraya pErukku pudikkaadhO, avradhaan modhal target

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 13th October 2010 09:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  today's highlights:
  http://www.mycrickethighlights.com/i...010-bangalore/

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 09:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Poll added. kuthunga esamaan kuthunga

  
  

• From: Sourav on 13th October 2010 10:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Jadeja-vai last-a thalliteengala... nan venumnallam order pannala... just copied from the order in cricinfo squad list.
  
  voted for kutty thala.

  
  

• From: Plum on 13th October 2010 10:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Voted for Jadeja.
  Konja nALaikki I will be the most popular hubber in sports section

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 10:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Jadeja-vai last-a thalliteengala... nan venumnallam order pannala... just copied from the order in cricinfo squad list.
  
  voted for kutty thala.

  badhila therinjukitte kelviya

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 13th October 2010 10:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Voted for Jadeja.
  Konja nALaikki I will be the most popular hubber in sports section

  thaadiyellaam vachukittu bayangarama irukkaapla. naanum rowdy-dhaannu solla try panraaru pola.

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 13th October 2010 10:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Voted for Jadeja.
  Konja nALaikki I will be the most popular hubber in sports section

  Eppome neenga most popular thaane, and its not just in Sports section

  
  

• From: Riyazz on 13th October 2010 10:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I voted for ashwin

  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on 13th October 2010 11:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ilayathalapathy Vijay

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 14th October 2010 08:05 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  No contest. It's none other than Jettu (MOM and MOS in upcoming ODI Series Vs Oz). All other options are rejeeted simply for my TF Sourav. Emerging true world class allrounder after Botham, Imran, Kapil and Hadlee.
  
  If there is no Jettu, my next target will be Aishwinya Rai.
  
  From the Australian side, watch out for Australian Ferguson. He may be the thorn in the flesh for the Indians. After watching T-20 performance, he seems to be very good as well as calculative one.

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 14th October 2010 08:10 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Konja nALaikki I will be the most popular hubber in sports section

  Aduththa thread Arambichuda vENdiyadhu dhAn. In fact, most popular hubber in the hub neenga thAnE. Poll options Plum, Sourav, Thirumaran. Since, TM is Mod sila nadaimuRai sikkal irukkumnu thONudhu. Konja nAlaikku Ramal andha idaththai pidiththirundhAr. AnA ippo neenga thAn.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 14th October 2010 08:41 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Voted for Jadeja.
  Konja nALaikki I will be the most popular hubber in sports section

  Eppome neenga most popular thaane, and its not just in Sports section

  

  
  

• From: MADDY on 14th October 2010 08:42 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Indian pitches - it has to be Raina, voted for him

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 14th October 2010 09:15 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Is Yuvraj not playing?

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 09:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Konja nALaikki I will be the most popular hubber in sports section

  Aduththa thread Arambichuda vENdiyadhu dhAn. In fact, most popular hubber in the hub neenga thAnE. Poll options Plum, Sourav, Thirumaran. Since, TM is Mod sila nadaimuRai sikkal irukkumnu thONudhu. Konja nAlaikku Ramal andha idaththai pidiththirundhAr. AnA ippo neenga thAn.

  neenga vera... nammalai ellam orutharum oru paisa-ku mathikkurathu illa... kootathoda govinda pottuttu irukken... ithula most popular veraya...
  
  In Sports sec, the most popular is plum and his chattergies... noone would have doubt in that. For ex, take this test series, plum received same amount of appreciation as sachin and dhoni...for his chattergies... that shows how much his chattergies are popular here,..

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 09:24 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Is Yuvraj not playing?

  He is playing...
  Puli avlo menakkettu color color-a squad list potturukkaru first page-la, ipdi ketkureenga... :P
  
  Puli, reserved posts ellam fill panniteenga pola...

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 14th October 2010 09:29 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Is Yuvraj not playing?

  He is playing...
  Puli avlo menakkettu color color-a squad list potturukkaru first page-la, ipdi ketkureenga... :P

  Ippothaan paathen.
  Shikar dhawan-a ellaam ethukku sethukittaanga?
  intha jadeja-va vida maattaanga pola.
  Sourav ithayellaam neenga thatti kaekrathillayaa?

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 09:57 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  lol...
  For opener slots there is no sachin, viru, gauti...
  so the next obvious choice is vijay...
  For another opener slot selectors would have considered both dhawan and mukund....
  Dhawan scored well in challenger & irani trophy matches... mukund scored better in irani. So, he got call-up in tests. Ithula ashwin, murali, mukund-nu TN-lerunthu 3 per edutha rombha biased-a irukkar-nu solliduvangalonu bayanthuttaru pola srikanthu....so, dhawan over mukund...
  
  I think its the last chance for jadeja and rohit sharma.
  Jadeja has bowled well in challenger trophy matches.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 10:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ricky Ponting says its his fault, not spinner Nathan Hauritz's
  
  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/ri...-1225938414530

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 14th October 2010 10:21 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Is Yuvraj not playing?

  He is playing...
  Puli avlo menakkettu color color-a squad list potturukkaru first page-la, ipdi ketkureenga... :P
  
  Puli, reserved posts ellam fill panniteenga pola...

  Sourav.

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 14th October 2010 10:21 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Ricky Ponting says its his fault, not spinner Nathan Hauritz's
  
  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/ri...-1225938414530

  illEnnA avar 10 wicket eduththuduvArAmA? sattiyila irundhA thAn Appaiyila varum. avaru enna vechukkittu vanjanaiyA paNNaRAru?? Indiavila irundhA Hauritz ball boy-A thAn irundhiruppArnu ninaikkiREn.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 14th October 2010 10:24 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  I think its the last for chance for jadeja

  idhoda kadhai mudinja nallaadhaan irukkum . But considering his age and connections (assuming) he will get many more chances

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 14th October 2010 10:32 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  idhoda kadhai mudinja nallaadhaan irukkum

  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  But considering his age and connections (assuming) he will get many more chances

  

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 10:47 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  thirumaran will be seen as mottai-maaran on 25th.... appo puriyum ellorukkum jadeja theramai... j/k
  
  i wont mind if jadu is excluded from squad because of a poor performance in this series too... he had got many chances already. As puli told it would be better if they consider yuvi and viru as all-rounders and stick with 4 bowlers. It would increase our batting strength... If ashwin is there thats more good as he can bat.
  playing XI like this for wc...
  
  sachin
  viru
  gauti
  yuvi
  raina
  kohli/DK/rohit/pujara/tiwary
  dhoni
  ashwin
  bhajji/ohja
  praveen
  zaheer

  
  

• From: hamid on 14th October 2010 11:31 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Is Gauti back from Injury?

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 14th October 2010 11:50 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Is Gauti back from Injury?

  Nope.. He is not in the squad for Aus ODI series...

  
  

• From: hamid on 14th October 2010 11:54 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Thanks Dhaks.. Hope Vijay carries his form into ODI..

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 12:00 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Is Gauti back from Injury?

  thirumbha vanthuduvanu soga padureenga, illa varalaina?

  
  

• From: hamid on 14th October 2010 12:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sourav, U didnt get it? the answer lies in my next post

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 12:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Therinju than ketten... Gauti... Pls come soon! Wishing him a speedy recovery!

  
  

• From: hamid on 14th October 2010 12:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sari.. gauti gaali.. next target yaaruppa?

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 12:07 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Sari.. gauti gaali.. next target yaaruppa?

  yaaru gaali-nu seekiram theriyum...

  
  

• From: hamid on 14th October 2010 12:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sari.. nee inga scene podaratha niruthittu hubbers events thread paaru..

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 12:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  honestly, gauti doesn't have a good year this time... injuries... many failures in batting... so, wanna see him in action and back on track b4 WC... ithula neenga injury-laye irukkattumnu saabam vidureenga...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 14th October 2010 12:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Sari.. nee inga scene podaratha niruthittu hubbers events thread paaru..

  anga enna... VR b'day...i wished already... will check...

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 14th October 2010 12:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5499/52109552.png
  
  

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 14th October 2010 02:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://cricket.rediff.com/slide-show...-tendulkar.htm
  
  Dhoni - 5/10
  Sehwag - 7/10
  Dravid - 6/10
  Sachin - 10/10
  Raina - 7/10
  H Singh - 5/10
  Z Khan - 8/10
  Ojha - 8/10
  Gambhir - 2/10
  Laxman - 8/10
  Vijay - 9/10
  Pujara - 7/10
  I Sharma - 6/10
  Sreesanth - 4/10

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 15th October 2010 10:46 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...-1225939240033
  
  Is this the womens hockey team of australia???
  
  Oh yeah looks like it
  
  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spor...-1225939256404

  
  

• From: Plum on 15th October 2010 11:23 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  [tscii]nammaLum mark pOdalAmA?
  
  Virendra Sehwag: Disappointing series by any standards. If his supporters want to smart under "that's the way he plays", I am sorry to say, you are pushing things under the carpet. I am a big supporter of Sehwag and "that's the way he plays" but there's a balance to everything, and you should not forget his previous period of schaudenfraude, around 2006, when he took his image as a thrill-a-minute artist seriously, and wasted several good starts with thoughtless stupid shots. It is not to be forgotten that the best and longest of his innings, the 300s, 295s, 151s, 254s etc mostly had one thing in common - a calculated balance between aggression and defence, and riding out quiet periods without getting impatient or impetous. Purely going by numbers, a 5/10 series but just to give him a jolt to wake up, 3.5/10
  
  Gautam Gambhir Well, a brief supporting act, a poor decision, an injury and gone. He has been intense last few years making the most of his limited talent so maybe the mental intensity expended is taking its toll. Maybe just the time to relax and get married . 2/10
  
  Rahul Dravid Well, I expected him to announce his retirement either way - either after a stupendously succesful series going out on the high or after a disastrous series with the tail between his legs. Perhaps, the fact that the series was neither here nor there led him to continue. Clearly on his last legs as a test batsman, and unlike a certain SRT, doesnt look primed for a second wind. Well, he will not be the first to squander a comfortable 50+ average in his last 3 years - an illustrious lineup consisting Richards etc stand precedence. I hope , not believe, that he will have a good series with NZ and/or SA before retiring with head held high. One has to. And that 200 catches seems to be an asymptote that will never touch the axis .
  
  4.5/10
  
  Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar
  No Explanations Needed.
  10/10
  
  VVS Laxman
  As usual a quiet start in the first innings before he had his favourite lunch meal - Australian bowling - in the second innings. That bad back is ominous, and fears of premature retirement persist in my mind. Nevertheless, the last remaining warrior for the test-only tribe, soldiering on despite being constantly overlooked unfairly for limited overs in his prime, and not really treated as a permanent member of the test batting line-up. MSD is lucky to have people like him in his line-up.
  7.5/10
  
  Suresh Raina
  A quiet series for him with the bat - a first innings 86 in Tendulkar's company is something any test aspirant for India should be able to manage - even Yuvi has a few of them, and that too, in the second innings - so no special points for that. But that Ponting run-out, and the golden arm to remove the same man mark out a utility man, who hopefully will play a big role in Indian cricket in the next generation.
  6/10
  
  MS Dhoni
  A brilliant stumping might erase the deficit of almost leading India to defeat with costly misses in the first test for his fans. For the first time, though, seemed to be not superman, as he suffered batting failures, keeping failures and was lucky that Laxman and Ishant led India across the line in Mohali. That he still could make some inspired moves that changed the game shows his class as captain. Remains an inspirational leader, and the best bet for India for years to come but needs rest and recuperation with 3 crucial away tours next year. BCCI might well kill its golden goose given its proclivity for excess - for India's sake, one hopes sanity prevails.
  Purely on performance in this series, with an added point for the series win as captain(Plus half a point for snubbing the Aussie team in the presentation by not mentioning them - I always love such snubs on good grace and lack of respect for opposition)
  6.5
  
  Harbhajan Singh
  Was his usual self as a bowler - occasionaly threatening, smart enough in utilising a few opportunities that barely put his figures above scrutiny, and doing just enough to maintain an impression of being a crucial bowler for India, without ever reaching his best or anywhere close to the exalted traditions of Indian spin.
  Talked himself up as a batsman on the second day of the first test - "We still have Tendulkar, Laxman, Raina, Dhoni and myself , all good batsmen, so we expect to top 500 - and received a deserved snub from Cricketing gods as he failed to aggregtate even 15 in the series. It is only to be hoped that his guardian angels, literal and figurative, get tired of his antics some time sooner than later. Until then, he is going to be the parasite of the Indian team riding on others' success, and doing just enough, and being smart enough to talk himself up in the right way in the right forums.
  4
  
  
  Zaheer Khan
  12 Wickets at 21.xx in two tests sounds like an above-average haul. Put in context, however, Zaheer’s wickets were worth their weight in Gold. Twice, he helped quickly polish off the Aussie tail in the second innings, invaluable considering India’s historical weakness in the area. Manfully shouldered the burden of a very weak attack consisting of a radar-less second pacer, brainless main spinner, and a second spinner who tried his best but was limited by his talent. Indeed, man of the match in the first test seemed lucky over the heroic Laxman. But look back with perspective, and one realizes the value of Zaheer’s contribution. Batted like Afridi in his stupidest mode and fielded like a lazy bear that has just feasted on a heavy breakfast, but if anyone can be excused for that any time, this is the man and this is the time.
  
  8/10
  
  Ishant Sharma
  A distant memory from the sprightly, gangling young man who hustled and bustled the then-premier-quality Ricky Ponting was this haggard, sorry youngster, who couldn’t even get his radar right for days together. That he still cobbled together a decent spell that set his team on the path of victory, and rounded it off with a determined innings terminated only by an erring umpire, shows character in loads. If only he can assemble his talent together into a working Processing Unit…
  Special marks for the character shown.
  5.5/10
  
  Pragyan Ojha
  Game trier is the best one can say of him. Yet, could have had better figures if only his over-worked, tired captain had not missed a few chances. Unlike his spin partner in the team, seems not to attract lady luck, with Raina, of all possible fielders, dropping a dolly off his bowling. Will have better returns with lesser effort on other days. Deserves more chances as the second spinner – but only if we can find a better spearhead for the spin department than we have now. Ravichandran Ashwin’s guardian angels, are you listening? Hope you can grab some of the luck and smartness of Harbhajan’s guardian angels – for the sake of Indian Cricket team, you must!
  6/10
  
  S Sreesanth
  Unusually anonymous series for the controversial bad boy of Indian cricket – toiled innocuously in the first innings, did not offer an improvement over Ishant in the no-balls stake, and managed to retrieve a few points with a couple of wickets near the end. Has done nothing to claim the third pacer status, let alone being the partner for Zaheer. And was so off the boil that a wimpy threatened return at Watson when the latter stepped out while he was fielding off his own bowling, was the only notable piece of aggression from the temparamental pacer.
  3/10
  
  Murali Vijay
  He has done everything asked of him in the test arena so far. Rounded off that image with a maiden test century - but then when you have Tendulkar for company and a benign pitch, and no strike rate to worry about, this is the least expected of you. The second innings cameo was well-praised all around but that most of those runs were edges and/or behind the wicket dont inspire confidence.The jury is still out on this young opener. For now, though, he can bask in glory.
  7/10
  
  Cheteshwar Pujara
  That brings us to the man who has been silently emerging as an alternative to the greatest #3 in Indian history. Bloggers and Commenters in the internet highway have been praising this middle order domestic stalwart highly for months, if not years, and many feel that even this is a delayed opportunity. A shooter in the first innings put a dampener to such supporters - leading to fears that he may fall to the ultimate Indian selection syndrome - namely, mountains of domestic runs and character ignored in favour of flashy limited overs operators, who then succeed in benign conditions and face rare testing conditions and continue to get a ride on the team thanks to performances in those benign conditions, thus keeping out deserving ones who are done in by luck in the one opportunity they get. But this man is made of sterner stuff and auditioned himself for the #3 slot in a future line-up with distinction with a fabulous, aggressive half-century, anchoring and propelling a potentially landmine fourth innings chase.
  
  What bothers me is that he doesnt have a face that can sell Pepsis and Hondas in Punjab-Haryana-NCR, and that definitely means a chequered career in Indian cricket, especially if you have been marked out as a test specialist. Let's hope for the best...
  9/10
  
  

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 15th October 2010 11:32 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum, You too. Stop calling for dravid's retirement. He deserves much much better things. He still has a lot left in his tank. Other than that I have no other disagreements. Well written one.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 15th October 2010 11:39 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Plum, You too. Stop calling for dravid's retirement. He deserves much much better things. He still has a lot left in his tank.

  He deserves all the chances in the world to go out on his terms. A true servant of Indian cricket. But off-late avaru aadaradhai paakka paakka enakkum romba kashtama irukku. Even in this series when he made 50+, he played quite a few shots without much footwork. Very unlike Dravid . Hope he has a good NZ series so that he can go to SA. SA-la theerkka vendiya kanakku neraiya irukku .

  
  

• From: Plum on 15th October 2010 12:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Plum, You too. Stop calling for dravid's retirement. He deserves much much better things. He still has a lot left in his tank. Other than that I have no other disagreements. Well written one.

  Well, that's a tough one AF. I have something in my mind when I call for his retirement - hope you understand

  
  

• From: Plum on 15th October 2010 12:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Zaheer Khan
  12 Wickets at 21.xx in two tests sounds like an above-average haul. Put in context, however, Zaheer’s wickets were worth their weight in Gold. Twice, he helped quickly polish off the Aussie tail in the second innings, invaluable considering India’s historical weakness in the area. Manfully shouldered the burden of a very weak attack consisting of a radar-less second pacer, brainless main spinner, and a second spinner who tried his best but was limited by his talent. Indeed, man of the match in the first test seemed lucky over the heroic Laxman. But look back with perspective, and one realizes the value of Zaheer’s contribution. Batted like Afridi in his stupidest mode and fielded like a lazy bear that has just feasted on a heavy breakfast, but if anyone can be excused for that any time, this is the man and this is the time.
  
  8/10
  
  Ishant Sharma
  A distant memory from the sprightly, gangling young man who hustled and bustled the then-premier-quality Ricky Ponting was this haggard, sorry youngster, who couldn’t even get his radar right for days together. That he still cobbled together a decent spell that set his team on the path of victory, and rounded it off with a determined innings terminated only by an erring umpire, shows character in loads. If only he can assemble his talent together into a working Processing Unit…
  Special marks for the character shown.
  5.5/10
  
  Pragyan Ojha
  Game trier is the best one can say of him. Yet, could have had better figures if only his over-worked, tired captain had not missed a few chances. Unlike his spin partner in the team, seems not to attract lady luck, with Raina, of all possible fielders, dropping a dolly off his bowling. Will have better returns with lesser effort on other days. Deserves more chances as the second spinner – but only if we can find a better spearhead for the spin department than we have now. Ravichandran Ashwin’s guardian angels, are you listening? Hope you can grab some of the luck and smartness of Harbhajan’s guardian angels – for the sake of Indian Cricket team, you must!
  6/10
  
  S Sreesanth
  Unusually anonymous series for the controversial bad boy of Indian cricket – toiled innocuously in the first innings, did not offer an improvement over Ishant in the no-balls stake, and managed to retrieve a few points with a couple of wickets near the end. Has done nothing to claim the third pacer status, let alone being the partner for Zaheer. And was so off the boil that a wimpy threatened return at Watson when the latter stepped out while he was fielding off his own bowling, was the only notable piece of aggression from the temparamental pacer.
  3/10
  
  
  
  

  
  

• From: Plum on 15th October 2010 01:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Murali Vijay
  He has done everything asked of him in the test arena so far. Rounded off that image with a maiden test century - but then when you have Tendulkar for company and a benign pitch, and no strike rate to worry about, this is the least expected of you. The second innings cameo was well-praised all around but that most of those runs were edges and/or behind the wicket dont inspire confidence.The jury is still out on this young opener. For now, though, he can bask in glory.
  7/10
  
  Cheteshwar Pujara
  That brings us to the man who has been silently emerging as an alternative to the greatest #3 in Indian history. Bloggers and Commenters in the internet highway have been praising this middle order domestic stalwart highly for months, if not years, and many feel that even this is a delayed opportunity. A shooter in the first innings put a dampener to such supporters - leading to fears that he may fall to the ultimate Indian selection syndrome - namely, mountains of domestic runs and character ignored in favour of flashy limited overs operators, who then succeed in benign conditions and face rare testing conditions and continue to get a ride on the team thanks to performances in those benign conditions, thus keeping out deserving ones who are done in by luck in the one opportunity they get. But this man is made of sterner stuff and auditioned himself for the #3 slot in a future line-up with distinction with a fabulous, aggressive half-century, simultaneously anchoring and propelling a potentially landmine fourth innings chase.
  
  What bothers me is that he doesnt have a face that can sell Pepsis and Hondas in Punjab-Haryana-NCR, and that definitely means a chequered career in Indian cricket, especially if you have been marked out as a test specialist. Let's hope for the best...
  9/10

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 15th October 2010 01:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Plum, You too. Stop calling for dravid's retirement. He deserves much much better things. He still has a lot left in his tank. Other than that I have no other disagreements. Well written one.

  Well, that's a tough one AF. I have something in my mind when I call for his retirement - hope you understand

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Murali Vijay
  7/10
  
  Cheteshwar Pujara
  9/10

  Propaganda alert .

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 15th October 2010 01:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Good write-up Plum
  
  What worries me most is Dhoni's batting which might have got affected by his workload. Coming in after some good starts, he could've contributed a bit more. In both tests, we should have had at least a 100 run lead in the 1st innings. We had them by the scruff of their necks. But both opportunities were squandered and we had to chase tough scores in 4th innings under extreme pressure.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 15th October 2010 06:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Voted for Vijay
  
  Who is that second vote for Jadeja? Sourav?

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 15th October 2010 06:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Plum, You too. Stop calling for dravid's retirement. He deserves much much better things. He still has a lot left in his tank. Other than that I have no other disagreements. Well written one.

  Well, that's a tough one AF. I have something in my mind when I call for his retirement - hope you understand

  Unga character-a yae purinjuka mudilaeyae
  Eppo endha angle le padikardhu nu neengale sollidunga...

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 15th October 2010 07:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Plum, You too. Stop calling for dravid's retirement. He deserves much much better things. He still has a lot left in his tank. Other than that I have no other disagreements. Well written one.

  Agree with you. Players need more support & encouragement when they are down. If you feel he is not doing well and there are other players with better form, then the selectors can rest him. Retirement is something which the individuals themselves have to decide.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 15th October 2010 07:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  
  Virendra Sehwag: Disappointing series by any standards. If his supporters want to smart under "that's the way he plays", I am sorry to say, you are pushing things under the carpet. I am a big supporter of Sehwag and "that's the way he plays" but there's a balance to everything, and you should not forget his previous period of schaudenfraude, around 2006, when he took his image as a thrill-a-minute artist seriously, and wasted several good starts with thoughtless stupid shots. It is not to be forgotten that the best and longest of his innings, the 300s, 295s, 151s, 254s etc mostly had one thing in common - a calculated balance between aggression and defence, and riding out quiet periods without getting impatient or impetous. Purely going by numbers, a 5/10 series but just to give him a jolt to wake up, 3.5/10
  

  disappointing 4 me too... i was surprised by the mark rediff gave..7... his batting in this series doesn't deserve that much! completely opposite to the last SL test series where he made 2 centuries and a 99, disappointed his fans this time. There is a news that he has a shoulder injury, Hope he recover soon and come back strongly in next series!
  
  Called VR yesterday to wish him! In that long talk he asked me not to use that 'thats how he plays' tag after now. Couldn't reject birthday boy's reqyest/order. So, I have decided not to use that tag after now. :P

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 15th October 2010 07:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sourav - Siggy / Thread title
  Viru - India's Weapon of Ball Destruction
  
  naan cricket ball dhaanga sonnEn!

  
  

• From: Sourav on 15th October 2010 07:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Plum, You too. Stop calling for dravid's retirement. He deserves much much better things. He still has a lot left in his tank. Other than that I have no other disagreements. Well written one.

  Agree with you. Players need more support & encouragement when they are down. If you feel he is not doing well and there are other players with better form, then the selectors can rest him. Retirement is something which the individuals themselves have to decide.

  +1.
  The same thing viru told to his fans in a video!
  
  But, it feels little disappointing to see some posts here 2 days b4 criticizing him for just 1/2 match failures...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 15th October 2010 07:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Sourav - Siggy / Thread title
  Viru - India's Weapon of Ball Destruction
  
  naan cricket ball dhaanga sonnEn!

  hehe... :P
  time to change thread title...
  'anja singam' title rombha naala irukku...effectum koranju pocchu... Thanks sathya...
  
  // changed!

  
  

• From: VinodKumar's on 15th October 2010 11:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Jadeja-vai last-a thalliteengala... nan venumnallam order pannala... just copied from the order in cricinfo squad list.
  
  voted for kutty thala.

  
  
  Appo jadduvoda vazhkai ?
  
  naan onnu poturukaen meethi rendu yaaru Plum rendu id vachurukaara

  
  

• From: Sourav on 16th October 2010 08:03 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Puli & Vinod, Look at this...
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  No contest. It's none other than Jettu (MOM and MOS in upcoming ODI Series Vs Oz). All other options are rejeeted simply for my TF Sourav. Emerging true world class allrounder after Botham, Imran, Kapil and Hadlee.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 16th October 2010 09:15 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  On seeing India crashing Australia in Bengaluru,the Aussie sportspersons in the CWG games village were furious and damaged the window glasses and also threw the waching machine down from the third floor. They also chanted abusive oneliners against Sachin. Some sources from the CWG have confirmed this outburst.
  
  Source: A local newspaper

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 16th October 2010 09:20 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  On seeing India crashing Australia in Bengaluru,the Aussie sportspersons in the CWG games village were furious and damaged the window glasses and also threw the waching machine down from the third floor. They also chanted abusive oneliners against Sachin. Some sources from the CWG have confirmed this outburst.
  
  Source: A local newspaper

  no wonder they maintain their legacy as the descendents of rapists, thieves, robbers and convicts

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 16th October 2010 09:28 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Watching India Vs Aus 1st test Highlights in Neo Sports.
  Arun Lal Commentary
  eyepeeell tweet is 100% perfect.
  
  Example:
  That Was A Fan Tas Tic Shot
  Pitch and Volume either upside or downside at 45 degrees straight line
  
  LSRK innoru comedy, ellaaththayum rendu vaatti solla vEndiyadhu.
  
  What a shot!
  What <<pause for few seconds> A <<pause for few seconds>> Shot!

  
  

• From: mnaren555 on 16th October 2010 11:43 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Raina

  
  

• From: Sourav on 16th October 2010 12:03 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by mnaren555

  Raina

  For wat?

  
  

• From: mnaren555 on 16th October 2010 12:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by mnaren555

  Raina

  For wat?

  naalaiku hub vara mudiyathu athan ipovae

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 16th October 2010 05:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  For Fun:
  Post an ODI XI with players whom you DISLIKE the most
  2 openers
  4 batsmen
  1 WK
  4 bowlers

  
  

• From: Sourav on 16th October 2010 11:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sick of seeing Sachin score so heavily: Clarke
  
  Comment from an Aussie fan Eelco (Melbourne): I am sick of seeing Clarke not scoring when it matters!

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 17th October 2010 09:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Next Inspection at 12. Mazhai season la Kochi maadhiri edaththula match vechcha arivaaLi vaazhga!

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 17th October 2010 11:02 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  crookinfo says that match is abandoned..

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 18th October 2010 02:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  A team with remarkable belief
  
  India's performances in the second innings of Tests are indicative of how the team has progressed since Sydney 2008
  
  Sidharth Monga
  
  October 16, 2010
  MS Dhoni holds the Border-Gavaskar Trophy aloft, India v Australia, 2nd Test, Bangalore, 5th day, October 13, 2010
  MS Dhoni's Test side will have the opportunity to check a lot of boxes in 2011
  
  
  Sachin Tendulkar's paddle-sweep off Nathan Hauritz to seal the series 2-0 against Australia is a moment India and their fans will cherish and look back to often. For one, for a change the chase was set up by two youngsters, who could be the future of the team, and in the winning frame were two veterans, Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid, who didn't often have batsmen finishing what they left unfinished in their younger days.
  
  More importantly, it reminded one of the same shot from the same batsman to finish off a chase of 387 in Chennai less than two years ago. Between those two paddle-sweeps, India have successfully chased more than 200 on two occasions, nearly doubling their tally of such wins.
  
  Since Sydney in 2008, which is considered a turning point of sorts for this team, India haven't lost a Test batting fourth. Over this period they have drawn once batting fourth, twice after having fallen behind by big margins in the first innings, three times after having conceded more than 500 in the first innings of the match; and they have come back to level four series.
  
  The results haven't been a fluke: this team - the Test team, not the limited-overs one - has remarkable belief in their abilities. It says a lot about their mental strength, which more than anything has been their hallmark over the last two or three years. Except for the 2000-01 home series against Australia, when India elevated themselves to a completely different space, it is difficult to remember a time when they refused to lose Test matches on so many occasions in so short a span of time.
  
  Perhaps that is why MS Dhoni, the captain, made it a point to credit the team even without being asked. After Bangalore, he said, "One good thing in both the Test matches, even though the last-innings targets were not huge, was that there was pressure on both the sides. Ultimately it was a close finish in both the games. You may look at this scorecard and say this was an easy win, but still there was nervousness in the dressing room."
  
  India's fourth-innings high points since 2008
  
  * v Australia, Bangalore Having fallen behind by 70, they bat out the last day to save the match, and go on to win the series 2-0. Sachin Tendulkar and VVS Laxman bat just short of three hours each.
  * v England, Chennai Trailing by 75 on the first innings, they are set an improbable target of 387 in four sessions. After Virender Sehwag's fiery start, Tendulkar and Yuvraj Singh carry India through.
  * v New Zealand, Napier Following on, with two days and a session to bat out, India find a saviour in Gautam Gambhir, who plays the fifth-longest innings in any team's second piece, batting for 643 minutes, to keep India's 1-0 lead intact.
  * v Sri Lanka, Ahmedabad India are 32 for 4 on the first morning and concede a 334-run lead. Rahul Dravid's first-innings 177 and centuries from Gambhir and Tendulkar in the second save the Test. India go on to win the series 2-0.
  * v Sri Lanka, P Sara Oval, Colombo After having struggled for 11 days in the series, they start a comeback, and need to finish their fourth-highest chase to level the series. Tendulkar makes a fifty, Raina 41 and Laxman an unbeaten hundred to carry them home.
  * v Australia, Mohali Are down for the count, eight wickets down and 92 runs required. Laxman, fighting back spasms, and Ishant Sharma, fighting an injured knee, add 81 to complete one of the most incredible wins.
  * v Australia, Bangalore Again needing to score more than 200 on the final day, India surprise Australia by sending in debutant Cheteshwar Pujara at No. 3, who scores 72 to set up what in the end looks like an easy win.
  
  The subconscious shift in the thinking is hard to not notice. Targets of 216 and 207 are now not considered "huge", never mind that India have scored more to win Tests only on six occasions.
  
  The other pleasing aspect has been that everybody has contributed. If Virender Sehwag has set up wins, VVS Laxman and Sachin Tendulkar have been superb in fourth innings, and Gautam Gambhir and Rahul Dravid have done their bit in saving matches. The bowlers, injured and often not the best possible combinations, have managed to be heroes every time India have fallen behind in series. Be it Abhimanyu Mithun and Pragyan Ojha toiling away in Sri Lanka, Zaheer Khan showing his amazing skills with the old ball on flat pitches, Ishant Sharma and Sreesanth finding inspirational spells against the run of play, or Harbhajan Singh picking up the last few wickets in Kolkata with the clock ticking away loudly, they have managed to take 20 wickets on 15 occasions since Sydney.
  
  All the players credit the team of Dhoni and Gary Kirsten - especially the coach - for the mental turnaround. They say that the management has put the team in a happy place from where they can give their best.
  
  The same cannot always be said of the people who decide the schedules. For it is also true that India have let themselves into situations where they have to dig deep in almost every series. It doesn't help that fitness and workload management remain issues. Mohali was the first time, across formats, that India played a first-choice XI since Sri Lanka visited last year. It can't be a mere coincidence, then, that India remain slow starters, beginning two series over the said period with innings defeats and one with a ten-wicket loss. That they remain a fighting No. 1 side, as opposed to a dominating one.
  
  These are interesting times for the Indian Test side. They sit pretty at the top of the ICC rankings, so pretty that there are chances they might stay there even if they lose all their upcoming Tests in South Africa. Still, the ranking will feel hollow if India falter over the next year.
  
  Lots will happen. There will be the World Cup distraction, the big three in the middle order will start making farewell plans, and there will be four overseas tours: South Africa, the West Indies, England and Australia. As it stands, India have beaten Australia in a series at home and lost away, drawn with South Africa at home and lost away, beaten England both home and away, won against Sri Lanka at home and drawn away. The next year will be a great chance to tick those unticked boxes, but it will need all the character India have shown over the last two years. One thing, though, is sure: not many will be writing this team off.
  
  Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at Cricinfo
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• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 07:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  The continuing presence of Jadeja in the playing XI has baffled many an Indian fan. Here are his stats: A bowling average of 41.55 and a batting average of 31.47 at a strike rate of 76.97. He hasn't sparkled with the bat or the ball with any consistency; the best (only?) thing going for him is his economy rate in ODIs: 4.84. MS Dhoni has pointed out what he thinks Jadeja should do: "For a player like him, it is very important to contribute with the bat and ball. He has to do a bit more with the bat."
  
  His bowling has increasingly gotten his captain's backing: He has bowled his full quota of 10 overs nine times and seven of those occasions have come in 2010. His direct competition until recently was Yusuf Pathan: Yusuf's strike rate is over 100 but he averages just 22.11. His bowling average is 40.66, slightly better than Jadeja, but his economy rate of 5.75 is almost a run higher.
  
  Is R Ashwin the man, then, to replace Jadeja? Ashwin is a much better bowler than Jadeja, and has a lower economy rate when you compare their performances in domestic circuit. In more than half of those matches, Ashwin had yet to use his new tools, like the carom ball; he is a more complete bowler now. Jadeja's batting is better than Ashwin's, but he lacks the skills to demolish a good attack. So it will come to what the team management needs from the player who fills that spot: Is it a bowler who can bat a bit or batsman who can bowl? Ashwin fulfills the first requirement while Jadeja hasn't quite managed to fill the second. Both will play in this series and the one against New Zealand, which should help the selectors to decide between them, or perhaps even go back to Yusuf, for the World Cup.

  Evanai eduthalum edunga...antha vetthuvettu yusuf-i mattum edukkatheengoo...

  
  

• From: viraajan on 19th October 2010 08:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Plum

  
  Virendra Sehwag: Disappointing series by any standards. If his supporters want to smart under "that's the way he plays", I am sorry to say, you are pushing things under the carpet. I am a big supporter of Sehwag and "that's the way he plays" but there's a balance to everything, and you should not forget his previous period of schaudenfraude, around 2006, when he took his image as a thrill-a-minute artist seriously, and wasted several good starts with thoughtless stupid shots. It is not to be forgotten that the best and longest of his innings, the 300s, 295s, 151s, 254s etc mostly had one thing in common - a calculated balance between aggression and defence, and riding out quiet periods without getting impatient or impetous. Purely going by numbers, a 5/10 series but just to give him a jolt to wake up, 3.5/10
  

  disappointing 4 me too... i was surprised by the mark rediff gave..7... his batting in this series doesn't deserve that much! completely opposite to the last SL test series where he made 2 centuries and a 99, disappointed his fans this time. There is a news that he has a shoulder injury, Hope he recover soon and come back strongly in next series!
  
  Called VR yesterday to wish him! In that long talk he asked me not to use that 'thats how he plays' tag after now. Couldn't reject birthday boy's reqyest/order. So, I have decided not to use that tag after now. :P

  shhhhhhh...bublic bublic

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 19th October 2010 08:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  The continuing presence of Jadeja in the playing XI has baffled many an Indian fan. Here are his stats: A bowling average of 41.55 and a batting average of 31.47 at a strike rate of 76.97. He hasn't sparkled with the bat or the ball with any consistency; the best (only?) thing going for him is his economy rate in ODIs: 4.84. MS Dhoni has pointed out what he thinks Jadeja should do: "For a player like him, it is very important to contribute with the bat and ball. He has to do a bit more with the bat."
  
  His bowling has increasingly gotten his captain's backing: He has bowled his full quota of 10 overs nine times and seven of those occasions have come in 2010. His direct competition until recently was Yusuf Pathan: Yusuf's strike rate is over 100 but he averages just 22.11. His bowling average is 40.66, slightly better than Jadeja, but his economy rate of 5.75 is almost a run higher.
  
  Is R Ashwin the man, then, to replace Jadeja? Ashwin is a much better bowler than Jadeja, and has a lower economy rate when you compare their performances in domestic circuit. In more than half of those matches, Ashwin had yet to use his new tools, like the carom ball; he is a more complete bowler now. Jadeja's batting is better than Ashwin's, but he lacks the skills to demolish a good attack. So it will come to what the team management needs from the player who fills that spot: Is it a bowler who can bat a bit or batsman who can bowl? Ashwin fulfills the first requirement while Jadeja hasn't quite managed to fill the second. Both will play in this series and the one against New Zealand, which should help the selectors to decide between them, or perhaps even go back to Yusuf, for the World Cup.

  Evanai eduthalum edunga...antha vetthuvettu yusuf-i mattum edukkatheengoo...

  Ashwin thavira matha rendu paerum vetti mundam veena pona dhandam thaan But lets wait and see wat Ashwin does...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 08:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  The continuing presence of Jadeja in the playing XI has baffled many an Indian fan. Here are his stats: A bowling average of 41.55 and a batting average of 31.47 at a strike rate of 76.97. He hasn't sparkled with the bat or the ball with any consistency; the best (only?) thing going for him is his economy rate in ODIs: 4.84. MS Dhoni has pointed out what he thinks Jadeja should do: "For a player like him, it is very important to contribute with the bat and ball. He has to do a bit more with the bat."
  
  His bowling has increasingly gotten his captain's backing: He has bowled his full quota of 10 overs nine times and seven of those occasions have come in 2010. His direct competition until recently was Yusuf Pathan: Yusuf's strike rate is over 100 but he averages just 22.11. His bowling average is 40.66, slightly better than Jadeja, but his economy rate of 5.75 is almost a run higher.
  
  Is R Ashwin the man, then, to replace Jadeja? Ashwin is a much better bowler than Jadeja, and has a lower economy rate when you compare their performances in domestic circuit. In more than half of those matches, Ashwin had yet to use his new tools, like the carom ball; he is a more complete bowler now. Jadeja's batting is better than Ashwin's, but he lacks the skills to demolish a good attack. So it will come to what the team management needs from the player who fills that spot: Is it a bowler who can bat a bit or batsman who can bowl? Ashwin fulfills the first requirement while Jadeja hasn't quite managed to fill the second. Both will play in this series and the one against New Zealand, which should help the selectors to decide between them, or perhaps even go back to Yusuf, for the World Cup.

  Evanai eduthalum edunga...antha vetthuvettu yusuf-i mattum edukkatheengoo...

  Ashwin thavira matha rendu paerum vetti mundam veena pona dhandam thaan But lets wait and see wat Ashwin does...

  i would prefer 7 batsmen & 4 bowlers than these...
  sachin-viru-gauti-yuvi-dhoni-raina+1 batsman like s tiwary or some other || 4 bowlers.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 19th October 2010 08:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  The continuing presence of Jadeja in the playing XI has baffled many an Indian fan. Here are his stats: A bowling average of 41.55 and a batting average of 31.47 at a strike rate of 76.97. He hasn't sparkled with the bat or the ball with any consistency; the best (only?) thing going for him is his economy rate in ODIs: 4.84. MS Dhoni has pointed out what he thinks Jadeja should do: "For a player like him, it is very important to contribute with the bat and ball. He has to do a bit more with the bat."
  
  His bowling has increasingly gotten his captain's backing: He has bowled his full quota of 10 overs nine times and seven of those occasions have come in 2010. His direct competition until recently was Yusuf Pathan: Yusuf's strike rate is over 100 but he averages just 22.11. His bowling average is 40.66, slightly better than Jadeja, but his economy rate of 5.75 is almost a run higher.
  
  Is R Ashwin the man, then, to replace Jadeja? Ashwin is a much better bowler than Jadeja, and has a lower economy rate when you compare their performances in domestic circuit. In more than half of those matches, Ashwin had yet to use his new tools, like the carom ball; he is a more complete bowler now. Jadeja's batting is better than Ashwin's, but he lacks the skills to demolish a good attack. So it will come to what the team management needs from the player who fills that spot: Is it a bowler who can bat a bit or batsman who can bowl? Ashwin fulfills the first requirement while Jadeja hasn't quite managed to fill the second. Both will play in this series and the one against New Zealand, which should help the selectors to decide between them, or perhaps even go back to Yusuf, for the World Cup.

  Evanai eduthalum edunga...antha vetthuvettu yusuf-i mattum edukkatheengoo...

  Ashwin thavira matha rendu paerum vetti mundam veena pona dhandam thaan

  TM influence

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 19th October 2010 08:39 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Ashwin thavira matha rendu paerum vetti mundam veena pona dhandam thaan But lets wait and see wat Ashwin does...

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Evanai eduthalum edunga...antha vetthuvettu yusuf-i mattum edukkatheengoo...

  Same peeling. andha bolded word mattum maathikkunga. enna maathanumnu ungalukke theiryum

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 09:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  haha puli...yusuf's stats r worse than jadu...now u urself decide who is better...

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 19th October 2010 09:18 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  haha puli...yusuf's stats r worse than jadu...now u urself decide who is better...

  Let us assume Jadeja and Yusuf Pathan are having their bestest-u days (separately). Who do you think has more chances of winning a game for India?

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 09:31 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  haha puli...yusuf's stats r worse than jadu...now u urself decide who is better...

  Let us assume Jadeja and Yusuf Pathan are having their bestest-u days (separately). Who do you think has more chances of winning a game for India?

  i agree yusuf will do way better on his bestest day... but, he rarely performs...very rarely... i remember there was a stat last yr that his avg in last 10+ matches was <10... if i m a captain i would prefer jadu than yusuf...jadu is better fielder and bowler than yusuf...nowadays opponent captains cleverly stop spinners from bowling while yusuf is batting and bring pace bowlers for couple of overs, bowl few bouncers..matter over...
  
  again jadu vs yusuf discussion-a... sridhar paatha tension aagiruvaan...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 09:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Ashwin thavira matha rendu paerum vetti mundam veena pona dhandam thaan

  TM influence

  ithu padikkathavan movie-la vivek solra dialogue aachey....

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 09:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/116700/116756.jpg Jadu ready aagittan... Aus... be careful...

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 19th October 2010 09:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/116700/116756.jpg Jadu ready aagittan... Aus... be careful...

  India be careful!

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 19th October 2010 10:00 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  haha puli...yusuf's stats r worse than jadu...now u urself decide who is better...

  Let us assume Jadeja and Yusuf Pathan are having their bestest-u days (separately). Who do you think has more chances of winning a game for India?

  i agree yusuf will do way better on his bestest day... but, he rarely performs...very rarely... i remember there was a stat last yr that his avg in last 10+ matches was <10... if i m a captain i would prefer jadu than yusuf...jadu is better fielder and bowler than yusuf...nowadays opponent captains cleverly stop spinners from bowling while yusuf is batting and bring pace bowlers for couple of overs, bowl few bouncers..matter over...
  
  again jadu vs yusuf discussion-a... sridhar paatha tension aagiruvaan...

  Jadeja - Bowling mattum ennathai poduraan. 1-2 match economical-a poduraan that too with no wickets. marupadi 1-2 match marana adi vaanguraan. T20 world cup-la adicha six ellaam innum en kannukkullaiye irukku. 2 over-la 6 six-o ennamo kuduthaan . appadi Dhoni-ku bowling all-rounder venumna Chawla kooda try pannalaam, atleast wicket eduppaan. illai 7 batsman aadalaam.
  
  Yusuf - Very inconsistent and weak-o weak against short stuff. But compared to Jadeja he is marginally better as he might cause some serious damage on his day. romba careful-a use pannina shine panna chance irukku. For e.g: If we take Batting PP between overs 20-30, then fast bowlers will have less overs to bowl in the death. anga vandhu oru kaattu kaatta konjam chance irukku.
  
  Yusuf-kaavadhu bouncer podanumnu opposition oru effort edukkaraanga. aana Jadeja out aaga koodaadhunne bowling podura maadhiri irukkum
  
  PS: naan Yusuf fan illaippa. Jadeja-vukku compare pannumbodhu Yusuf thevalainnu solren avlodhaan

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 19th October 2010 10:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/116700/116756.jpg Jadu ready aagittan... Aus... be careful...

  unakku vera velayae illaya ?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 19th October 2010 10:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Yusuf-kaavadhu bouncer podanumnu opposition oru effort edukkaraanga. aana Jadeja out aaga koodaadhunne bowling podura maadhiri irukkum

  

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 10:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Yusuf-kaavadhu bouncer podanumnu opposition oru effort edukkaraanga. aana Jadeja out aaga koodaadhunne bowling podura maadhiri irukkum

  
  
  

  PS: naan Yusuf fan illaippa. Jadeja-vukku compare pannumbodhu Yusuf thevalainnu solren avlodhaan

  Not bad-ngra alavukku than aadittu irunthan... enna aacho therla... sudden-a rombha worst-a poyittan... Intha series yethavathu panrana paakkalaam puli...last chance...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 10:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/116700/116756.jpg Jadu ready aagittan... Aus... be careful...

  unakku vera velayae illaya ?

  Yov, athu kaamedy-ku pottathuya....

  
  

• From: Riyazz on 19th October 2010 10:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/116700/116756.jpg Jadu ready aagittan... Aus... be careful...

  narayana inda kosu tholla tanga mudiala

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 19th October 2010 10:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Not bad-ngra alavukku than aadittu irunthan... enna aacho therla... sudden-a rombha worst-a poyittan... Intha series yethavathu panrana paakkalaam puli...last chance...

  senja Indhiyaavukkaaga sandhosapaduven. aana konjam seekkiram mudivu edukkanum. innum Tiwary-kellaam vaaippe kudukkalai. World Cup-ku mundhina naal vandhu "Jadeja not perporming so we are playing Tiwary/Sharma/Kohli"-nu edhunaa sonnaa kaduppaayidum.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 10:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  yes puli... agree... i m also saying the same thing... dont make too many changes in squad b4 WC,,, just stick with some 16 players...
  
  Dhoni told Tiwary will debut in this series... acid test series for kohli, rohit and jadu.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 19th October 2010 10:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Not bad-ngra alavukku than aadittu irunthan... enna aacho therla... sudden-a rombha worst-a poyittan... Intha series yethavathu panrana paakkalaam puli...last chance...

  senja Indhiyaavukkaaga sandhosapaduven. aana konjam seekkiram mudivu edukkanum. innum Tiwary-kellaam vaaippe kudukkalai. World Cup-ku mundhina naal vandhu "Jadeja not perporming so we are playing Tiwary/Sharma/Kohli"-nu edhunaa sonnaa kaduppaayidum.

  jadeja ellam intha naatukae thevai illenguraen.. avan podura rendu overa namma Raina thambi kitta kudutha azhaga veesuvaar.. jadeja va probable list la irunthu thookura varaikum naan ooya maataen..

  
  

• From: Sourav on 19th October 2010 10:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  jadeja ellam intha naatukae thevai illenguraen.. avan podura rendu overa namma Raina thambi kitta kudutha azhaga veesuvaar.. jadeja va probable list la irunthu thookura varaikum naan ooya maataen..

  Dont worry, intha series sothappuna, thirumbha 1,2 varushathukku squad-la vara mudiyathu....

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 19th October 2010 10:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  aNNan to Jadeja - nee indha naattukku seiyyakkoodiya orE nalla kaariyam, indha naatta vittE poidu!

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 19th October 2010 10:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Yusuf-kaavadhu bouncer podanumnu opposition oru effort edukkaraanga. aana Jadeja out aaga koodaadhunne bowling podura maadhiri irukkum

  

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 19th October 2010 10:57 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Since Sydney 2008 - India have
  
  Played - 29
  
  Won -15
  
  Lost -5
  
  Draw - 9
  
  It seems that this period is an alltime high for Indian team.

  
  

• From: Plum on 19th October 2010 11:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ellaam captaincy dhaan kaaranam. Sothai team vechukittu ennA record pArunga
  (In other words, sAppAttula sengal pvk saNdaikku vAnga!)

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 19th October 2010 11:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  .
  
  Plum, What do you think will be the XI after SRT,VVS RSD retirement?.
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Ellaam captaincy dhaan kaaranam. Sothai team vechukittu ennA record pArunga
  (In other words, sAppAttula sengal pvk saNdaikku vAnga!)

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 19th October 2010 11:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  jadeja ellam intha naatukae thevai illenguraen.. avan podura rendu overa namma Raina thambi kitta kudutha azhaga veesuvaar.. jadeja va probable list la irunthu thookura varaikum naan ooya maataen..

  Dont worry, intha series sothappuna, thirumbha 1,2 varushathukku squad-la vara mudiyathu....

  Oh, 1-2 varushatthukku appuram vera thirumba varuvana

  
  

• From: Plum on 19th October 2010 11:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Eventually, it will look like
  Viru
  Gaut
  kohli
  Rohit
  Raina
  Yuvi
  Ms
  Durby
  Lottery pacer #1
  Lottery pacer #2
  Ojha

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 19th October 2010 11:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  jadeja ellam intha naatukae thevai illenguraen.. avan podura rendu overa namma Raina thambi kitta kudutha azhaga veesuvaar.. jadeja va probable list la irunthu thookura varaikum naan ooya maataen..

  Dont worry, intha series sothappuna, thirumbha 1,2 varushathukku squad-la vara mudiyathu....

  Oh, 1-2 varushatthukku appuram vera thirumba varuvana

  
  
  2011 varaikkumdhaan time (as per one of Sourav's earlier posts). adhukkappuram sellaadhu sellaadhu

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 19th October 2010 11:39 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  
  acid test series for jadu.

  Nalla Strong acid-a ready pannunga...Correct-a face ku aim pannanum

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 19th October 2010 11:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Eventually, it will look like
  Viru
  Gaut
  kohli
  Rohit
  Raina
  Yuvi
  Ms
  Durby
  Lottery pacer #1
  Lottery pacer #2
  Ojha

  Rohit and Kohli in, where is Vijay

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 19th October 2010 11:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Eventually, it will look like
  Viru
  Gaut
  kohli
  Rohit
  Raina
  Yuvi
  Ms
  Durby
  Lottery pacer #1
  Lottery pacer #2
  Ojha

  Rohit and Kohli in, where is Vijay

  Where is Pujara-nu kekka vendiyadhudhaane? Vijay pathi

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 12:10 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Eventually, it will look like
  Viru
  Gaut
  kohli
  Rohit
  Raina
  Yuvi
  Ms
  Durby
  Lottery pacer #1
  Lottery pacer #2
  Ojha

  Rohit and Kohli in, where is Vijay

  Where is Pujara-nu kekka vendiyadhudhaane? Vijay pathi

  Yep.. Pujara kooda kaanom..
  
  P.S: Plum, motha team kum sethu soonium veka maatinga-ndra nambikaila thaan kekuraen...

  
  

• From: raghavendran on 20th October 2010 08:47 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  this is a very interesting series...WC varudhu..so idhe closea watch pannuvainge.. :P

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 09:39 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  jadeja ellam intha naatukae thevai illenguraen.. avan podura rendu overa namma Raina thambi kitta kudutha azhaga veesuvaar.. jadeja va probable list la irunthu thookura varaikum naan ooya maataen..

  Dont worry, intha series sothappuna, thirumbha 1,2 varushathukku squad-la vara mudiyathu....

  Oh, 1-2 varushatthukku appuram vera thirumba varuvana

  
  
  2011 varaikkumdhaan time (as per one of Sourav's earlier posts). adhukkappuram sellaadhu sellaadhu

  ithellam gnybhagam vacchirukkeengala... intha series sothappuna he will not get a chance again till WC.... thirumbha varrathukkulla 2011 end vanthidum... intha match paapom.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 10:11 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Is ojha rested or injured?

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 10:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Is ojha rested or injured?

  injured cum rested

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 10:58 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  As per reports we will play with praveen, nehra and ashwin...no munaf... jadu will be the 4th bowler, yuvi+raina will be the 5th... kohli/rohit - one of them will play.

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 11:07 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ashwinku indha oru vAippu dhAn. Indha series-la fail AnA(AvAn) life-long india team kitta pOga mudiyAdhu

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 11:23 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Ashwinku indha oru vAippu dhAn. Indha series-la fail AnA(AvAn) life-long india team kitta pOga mudiyAdhu

  Plum, I think this is the first time he is playing in an ODI series.. so, I don't see this will be his last chance... but you can say this for Jadeja...

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 12:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  this link says that Ashwin had already played a ODI match against SL last year...
  
  http://cricket.rediff.com/slide-show...on-aussies.htm

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 02:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  New jersys for Team India.
  
  India have won the toss and elected to field

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 02:07 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Dhoni: We have left out Ravindra Jadeja, so our part timers should bowl the 10 overs. We have two youngsters making their debut. Dhawan and Tiwary have been given an opportunity. As an international cricketer we need to play many matches, when you go to a venue and if there is no match you do get bored and frustrated.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 20th October 2010 02:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Dhoni: We have left out Ravindra Jadeja, so our part timers should bowl the 10 overs. We have two youngsters making their debut. Dhawan and Tiwary have been given an opportunity. As an international cricketer we need to play many matches, when you go to a venue and if there is no match you do get bored and frustrated.

  

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 02:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Dhoni: We have left out Ravindra Jadeja, so our part timers should bowl the 10 overs. We have two youngsters making their debut. Dhawan and Tiwary have been given an opportunity. As an international cricketer we need to play many matches, when you go to a venue and if there is no match you do get bored and frustrated.

  oh! i c... avar full timer-A? adEngappA... sollavE illa.
  Frustration for Sourav too.
  MOS-kku vERa vote paNNi irukkEn. OraLavu mission accomplished pOla theriyudhu.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 02:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  TM vEra mottai adikkara savaal vittirukkaar. Sadesa nesst match aadi 200 runs and 8 wickets eduththaadhaan MOS. Illenna Sourav mottai

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 02:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  idhula prachnai ennannA, yArAvadhu fail AnA he will get dropped rather than Jadeja
  
  Ashwin fail AnA it will be end of 2011 WC chances for him whereas, Jadeja will escape because he didnt get tried in this series

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 02:28 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  i haven't committed to that mottai challenge... jadu-ku vena podunga mottai...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 02:28 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Teams:
  India (Playing XI): Murali Vijay, Shikhar Dhawan, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Virat Kohli, MS Dhoni(w/c), Saurabh Tiwary, Ravichandran Ashwin, Praveen Kumar, Ashish Nehra, Vinay Kumar
  Australia (Playing XI): Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine(w), Michael Clarke(c), Michael Hussey, Cameron White, Steven Smith, James Hopes, Nathan Hauritz, John Hastings, Mitchell Starc, Clint McKay

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 02:33 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  i haven't committed to that mottai challenge... jadu-ku vena podunga mottai...

  idhula idhellAm vERayA?? pORa pOkka pArthA sourav pAlkudam ellAm eduppAr pOla. :P

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 20th October 2010 02:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Negura for maiden over

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 02:46 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  marsh bowled for 0.... nehra...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 03:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  paine....

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 20th October 2010 03:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Nehra!

  
  

• From: Riyazz on 20th October 2010 03:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Nehra

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 03:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Abhishek: "Wonder how Boycott would call Clarke the "Pup" given that he calls mum as "moom"." Naughty.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 04:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  no wkt 4 long time... ithukku than jadeja venumgrathu...

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 04:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Aama run-um sethu koduthurupaar

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 04:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  31.2 Kumar to Clarke, 2 runs, 128.1 kph, chips to the off side as the ball angles into him from off stump, and picks a couple behind deep square leg. This partnership has been a lesson on middle-overs batting in an ODI.

  

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 05:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hussey... well played....

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 05:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/123100/123171.jpg kannnu koosuthu...

  
  

• From: Riyazz on 20th October 2010 05:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Jadu la oru ala nama raina ku oru over koduta wk edutu tu poran.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 05:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Riyazz

  Jadu la oru ala nama raina ku oru over koduta wk edutu tu poran.

  Yuvraj Singh 10 0 48 0 4.80 (1w)
  
  SK Raina 3 0 18 0 6.00
  

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 05:31 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hussey OUT
  
  Ashwin
  
  Jersey nallave illa.. sottu neelam colorla..

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 20th October 2010 05:39 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  43.1
  Nehra to White, 1 run, magnificent effort from the Davanagere Diamonds man! nurdled off his hip by White, it was destined to the fence until the Davanagere man flung to his right and put in a superb dive to cut it off, only a single @ 126.44 kmph

  who is this ?

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 05:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Riyazz

  Jadu la oru ala nama raina ku oru over koduta wk edutu tu poran.

  Yuvraj Singh 10 0 48 0 4.80 (1w)
  
  SK Raina 3 0 18 0 6.00
  

  Yuvraj negative pts

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 05:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  43.1
  Nehra to White, 1 run, magnificent effort from the Davanagere Diamonds man! nurdled off his hip by White, it was destined to the fence until the Davanagere man flung to his right and put in a superb dive to cut it off, only a single @ 126.44 kmph

  who is this ?

  Vinay Kumar!

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 05:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  clarke century....

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 06:00 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Praveen kumar'kku aen dhoni slog overs kodukkararnu therla... he is NOT effective there... avarukku modhallaye koduthu mudhichidanum.,..

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Last four overs 61 runs.

  Fours and Sixers raining from the bat of White.
  
  White destroying the cricket ball as well as spectator......
  
  Nehra
  
  Nehra
  First five overs - 9 Runs 2 wkts.
  Next five overs - 48 Runs 0 wkts.

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 06:07 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum enga
  Avar chaterjee illaadha effect nallaa ve theridhu.. Avar-a vara chollunga...

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 06:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Last over Vinay Kumar
  BTW, how will be the conditions while chasing? Will the ball swing much? Will there be dew?

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 06:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Nehra from 5-1-9-2 to 10-1-57-2 ...
  
  non-sense

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 06:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  White oru over munnaadi vandhurundha, oru ton potturupaar pola

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  More sixes from the bat of White.
  
  White - No mercy for his BRC teammate too.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 06:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  White
  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 20th October 2010 06:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  White wash!

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 20th October 2010 06:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ada kodumaiyae!!!

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 06:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  White
  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  Vengaayo.. Adhellam White maadhiri aalunga thaan seivanga...

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 06:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Vinay Kumar anne, unga kaalai konjam kaattunga
  
  Praveen Kumar, inime nee 10 overayum modhallaye pottu mudichuttu appadiye odi poyiru
  
  Ashwin nalladhaan pottuttu irundhaan. Last over avanukke kuduthurukkalaam

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  White was 3 off 11 deliveries at one stage

  Next 86 runs scored off 38 deliveries. Amazing and brilliant stuff!!!!!
  
  At last, I think Indians has witnessed the massive hitting power of Cameron White. Well played innings.
  
  White has scored more runs only after completion of final batting powerplay.
  
  67 runs off last 4 overs. Poor bowling display from Indians.

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 20th October 2010 06:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  what

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 06:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  BTW, how will be the conditions while chasing? Will the ball swing much? Will there be dew?

  Dew irukkumnudhaan pesikkaraanga. Plus inexperienced bowling lineup for Aus too. But nemba kashtamnu thonudhu

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 20th October 2010 06:18 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  what

  

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 06:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  what

  

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  White was 45 when the 48th over started, and he finishes on 89. He blasted 70 of his final 24 balls. At one stage, there were questions over whether Australia would reach 250, they ended up on 289. Last five overs cost India 84 runs. White's hitting has overshadowed what was a well-paced, determined innings from Clarke, who ends unbeaten on 111.

  Last 44 runs came of just 13 deliveries including 2 dot balls. Brutal knock!!!!

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 06:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  White
  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  Vengaayo.. Adhellam White maadhiri aalunga thaan seivanga...

  You better wait and watch

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 06:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  what

  

  

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni - If anyone of these get a good start, then the target can be easily achievable.

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 06:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  White
  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  Vengaayo.. Adhellam White maadhiri aalunga thaan seivanga...

  You better wait and watch

  Hmm.. Haven't seen Yuvi doing his role for long time.. Nadandha nalla thaan irukum
  
  Plum enga ya

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 06:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  White
  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  Vengaayo.. Adhellam White maadhiri aalunga thaan seivanga...

  You better wait and watch

  Yuvaraasarudhaan 5th bowler slot-ai conpirm pannitaare. Batting-la adippaarunnu thonalai.

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 20th October 2010 06:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  White
  Time for Yuvvraj to Stand-up and Deliver

  Vengaayo.. Adhellam White maadhiri aalunga thaan seivanga...

  You better wait and watch

  

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  White and Clarke Partnership - 129 runs of 13.3 overs (9.55 RPO). That shows how badly the Indians bowled. This is not right preparation for the World Cup 2011. Bowling bench strength is not so good. No Zaheer, no respite for Indian bowling.

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 20th October 2010 06:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  White and Clarke Partnership - 129 runs of 13.3 overs (9.55 RPO). That shows how badly the Indians bowled. This is not right preparation for the World Cup 2011. Bowling bench strength is not so good. No Zaheer, no respite for Indian bowling.

  BTW is there any way, we can bring Malinga to Indian Team
  
  Mumbai team la irukkum boathu Indian team la irukka padaathaa ?

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 06:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  White and Clarke Partnership - 129 runs of 13.3 overs (9.55 RPO). That shows how badly the Indians bowled. This is not right preparation for the World Cup 2011. Bowling bench strength is not so good. No Zaheer, no respite for Indian bowling.

  konjam avasarapattu space waste pannitteengalonnu thonudhu. innum 1 hour wait pannirundha andha bolded word-ayum remove pannirukkalaam .

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  BTW is there any way, we can bring Malinga to Indian Team

  We are not playing seven stones here.

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  konjam avasarapattu space waste pannitteengalonnu thonudhu. innum 1 hour wait pannirundha andha bolded word-ayum remove pannirukkalaam .

  
  
  Anyhow, Indian batting bench strength is just like Pak bowling strength. It never fade is my perception.

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 20th October 2010 06:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  BTW is there any way, we can bring Malinga to Indian Team

  We are not playing seven stones here.

  
  
  eppadiyum panam thaan mukkiyam nnu aagi poachchu... inimae national teams a kooda ICC auction vachchi mudivu panra nilama vanthiduchunnaa, nammaalungalukku irukira panathukku eppadiyum best team form pannidalaam

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Watch out for Clint Mckay. I think his bowling style (different types of slow balls) suits this pitch very well. But he has to bowl with little older ball.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 06:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  sutham. aarambathulaye aarambichuttaangala

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  shikAr Dhawan - duck out!!....

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 20th October 2010 06:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Dhawan

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 06:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Cricinfo - "Tendulkar, Dhoni and Raina all also got ducks on debut. So Dhawan is following the tradition of some big Indian names."
  
  indha ranagalathulayum ivingalukku kilukilupppu kekkudhu

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Tendulkar, Dhoni and Raina all also got ducks on debut. So Dhawan is following the tradition of some big Indian names.

  idhellAm romba over-A theriyalE???

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 20th October 2010 06:51 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  Watch out for Clint Mckay. I think his bowling style (different types of slow balls) suits this pitch very well. But he has to bowl with little older ball.

  Vaaya vachikittu summaave irukka maattengala?

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 06:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  Watch out for Clint Mckay. I think his bowling style (different types of slow balls) suits this pitch very well. But he has to bowl with little older ball.

  

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 20th October 2010 06:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  :P

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 06:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  Watch out for Clint Mckay. I think his bowling style (different types of slow balls) suits this pitch very well. But he has to bowl with little older ball.

  Varungaalathula periya chaterjist-a varuvinga

  
  

• From: Riyazz on 20th October 2010 07:00 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Maniraj

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  Watch out for Clint Mckay. I think his bowling style (different types of slow balls) suits this pitch very well. But he has to bowl with little older ball.

  

  

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 07:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Riyazz

  Originally Posted by Maniraj

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  Watch out for Clint Mckay. I think his bowling style (different types of slow balls) suits this pitch very well. But he has to bowl with little older ball.

  

  

  Poya.. Idhukkellaam xpalanason koduka mudiyaadhu...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 07:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  kamman yuvi....

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 07:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli, Yuvi, raina, dhoni - cool. If they can't chase 290, india doesn't have too many who can
  
  Vijay test match nallA veLayAdinadhOda apdiyE odhungi irukkalAm. Odi-la epdiyum adikka pOradillE. PEru keduthukkAma odhungi irukkalaam

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 07:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by cricbuzz

  Starc to Yuvraj, 1 run, to Undefined Field Position

  

  
  

• From: Sourav on 20th October 2010 07:46 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  13.6
  Hastings to Kohli, FOUR!!, to sweeper cover
  13.5
  Hastings to Kohli, FOUR!!,
  
  kohli...

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 07:52 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli - world cup place beckoning

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 07:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Kohli - world cup place beckoning

  Kohli mela ivarukku enna kaduppu

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 08:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  sari appO Dhoni , Yuvi

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 08:03 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  sari appO Dhoni , Yuvi

  No no please.. avan enoda captain

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 08:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Oh don't worry. Dhoni is immune to any chatterjee from me - positive or negative. PUvOdu sErndhu yuvi-nu pOtturukkadhAla, yuviyum safe

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 08:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Oh don't worry. Dhoni is immune to any chatterjee from me - positive or negative. PUvOdu sErndhu yuvi-nu pOtturukkadhAla, yuviyum safe

  

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 08:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yuvraj - come on!!
  
  indha kozhi evlo than nalla aadinaalum enakku avanai pudikkala.... I wish he will NOT be in the playing 11 in the WC...

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 08:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yuvi 50

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 08:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli is cementing his world cup place rr
  I think Kohli should be a shoo-in in ODIs.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 08:39 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  indha kozhi evlo than nalla aadinaalum enakku avanai pudikkala.... I wish he will NOT be in the playing 11 in the WC...

  kudutha saansula nallaadhaane pannuraapla. Any extra-curricular reasons ?

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 08:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Kohli is cementing his world cup place rr
  I think Kohli should be a shoo-in in ODIs.

  Plum, I wish this will be your chattergee....

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 08:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli century kanfarmed

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 08:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  indha kozhi evlo than nalla aadinaalum enakku avanai pudikkala.... I wish he will NOT be in the playing 11 in the WC...

  kudutha saansula nallaadhaane pannuraapla. Any extra-curricular reasons ?

  Oruvaella Non veg saapda maataro (Kohli)
  
  Epudi naangalum yosipomlae

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 08:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Maniraj

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  indha kozhi evlo than nalla aadinaalum enakku avanai pudikkala.... I wish he will NOT be in the playing 11 in the WC...

  kudutha saansula nallaadhaane pannuraapla. Any extra-curricular reasons ?

  Oruvaella Non veg saapda maataro (Kohli)
  
  Epudi naangalum yosipomlae

  ennamo... attitude, arrogance... avanai enakku pudikkala.. pudikkala... konjam kooda pudikkala.. (ithu etho oru ad'la vara dialogue... )

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 08:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by Maniraj

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  indha kozhi evlo than nalla aadinaalum enakku avanai pudikkala.... I wish he will NOT be in the playing 11 in the WC...

  kudutha saansula nallaadhaane pannuraapla. Any extra-curricular reasons ?

  Oruvaella Non veg saapda maataro (Kohli)
  
  Epudi naangalum yosipomlae

  ennamo... attitude, arrogance... avanai enakku pudikkala.. pudikkala... konjam kooda pudikkala.. (ithu etho oru ad'la vara dialogue... )

  Sontha muyarchi
  
  BTW Enakum avana pidikathu.. konjam scene party thaan

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 08:51 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Superb strategy by india thinktank. Gave a lot of runs in the end to make australia believe that they have scored a lot and made them take defending easy. Idea captaincy!

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 08:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Superb strategy by india thinktank. Gave a lot of runs in the end to make australia believe that they have scored a lot and made them take defending easy. Idea captaincy!

  indha maadhiri yaaralaiyum yosikka mudiyathu...

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 08:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Is this an Aussie team? An aussie keeper is supposed to keep a "how could you give that wide" face to the umpire when the latter calls a ball that is two feet wide of legstump as a wide . Leg stumpku rendu inch veLiya pOra ball-ai kUda wide-ungarAnga indha aussie players umpire-ai moRaikkavE illai

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 20th October 2010 08:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Kohli century kanfarmed

  Please no chatterjee for kohli. He is a very good talent. Determined batsmen. Use your chatterjees for guys like jadeja, Dhawan, Vinay kumar etc.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 08:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Maniraj

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  ennamo... attitude, arrogance... avanai enakku pudikkala.. pudikkala... konjam kooda pudikkala.. (ithu etho oru ad'la vara dialogue... )

  Sontha muyarchi
  
  BTW Enakum avana pidikathu.. konjam scene party thaan

  Oh avan activities sari illai, neraiya complaints varudhunnu solreenga (Chennai 28 ).
  
  inime ellaam appadithaan. onnum panradhukkillai

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 08:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Is this an Aussie team? An aussie keeper is supposed to keep a "how could you give that wide" face to the umpire when the latter calls a ball that is two feet wide of legstump as a wide . Leg stumpku rendu inch veLiya pOra ball-ai kUda wide-ungarAnga indha aussie players umpire-ai moRaikkavE illai

  in fact, he suppose to appeal for a caught-behind just to divert umpire NOT to call that as a wider even if it is too wide from the bat...

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 20th October 2010 09:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Kohli century kanfarmed

  Please no chatterjee for kohli. He is a very good talent. Determined batsmen. Use your chatterjees for guys like jadeja, Dhawan, Vinay kumar etc.

  innaikku eppadiyum century & MoM than...
  
  5th itch Vivek: dondorry..be happy

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 09:07 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum, neenga chaterjees Aus innings le yae start panni irukanam.. Inga vandhu, point point-a podaama managerial aspects laam paesitu irundhirukiringa

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 09:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Mckay
  
  Yuvi
  
  Enga antha Steveaustin avargal

  
  

• From: VinodKumar's on 20th October 2010 09:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ennaya ithu JAdeja playing eleven la illa ... naan intha matcha purakanikiraen

  
  

• From: VinodKumar's on 20th October 2010 09:31 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Maniraj

  Mckay
  
  Yuvi
  
  Enga antha Steveaustin avargal

  Ennachu Raja thala suthutha

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 09:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  37.4 Hopes to Raina, FOUR!!, a hat-trick of boundaries for Raina, overpitched delivery on the stumps, Raina clears the front leg, lofts it over deep mid wicket, one bounce over the ropes @ 132.8 kmph
  
  37.3 Hopes to Raina, FOUR!!, this is really hurting Australia, short of length delivery on the stumps, Raina backs away, pulls it to deep mid wicket, couple of bounces and into the ropes @ 133.26 kmph
  
  37.2 Hopes to Raina, FOUR!!, poor line from Hopes, length delivery, but slides onto leg stump, Raina goes back a little, he clips it into the vacant space at fine leg, goes into the boundary boards @ 121.2 kmph
  
  Raina

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 09:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by VinodKumar's

  Ennaya ithu JAdeja playing eleven la illa ... naan intha matcha purakanikiraen

  konjam jeyikkira maadhiri position-la irukkaradhukku ore kaaranam idhudhaan

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 09:33 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Match mudiya pOgudhu inimE nInga purakanichA enna? puRA kaRi sAptA enna?

  
  

• From: VinodKumar's on 20th October 2010 09:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by VinodKumar's

  Ennaya ithu JAdeja playing eleven la illa ... naan intha matcha purakanikiraen

  konjam jeyikkira maadhiri position-la irukkaradhukku ore kaaranam idhudhaan

  intha series la payan prove panniruvaanu irunthaen ... athula oru match ippdi aagiruchu
  
  WC squad la edam kedaikaathu polavae

  
  

• From: VinodKumar's on 20th October 2010 09:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Match mudiya pOgudhu inimE nInga purakanichA enna? puRA kaRi sAptA enna?

  Matchae oruthar out aanathuku appuram thaan

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 09:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by VinodKumar's

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by VinodKumar's

  Ennaya ithu JAdeja playing eleven la illa ... naan intha matcha purakanikiraen

  konjam jeyikkira maadhiri position-la irukkaradhukku ore kaaranam idhudhaan

  intha series la payan prove panniruvaanu irunthaen ... athula oru match ippdi aagiruchu
  
  WC squad la edam kedaikaathu polavae

  WC-lakooda edam kedaikkaadhu . naan Waeld Cup-adhaan sonnen

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 20th October 2010 09:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by VinodKumar's

  Ennaya ithu JAdeja playing eleven la illa ... naan intha matcha purakanikiraen

  konjam jeyikkira maadhiri position-la irukkaradhukku ore kaaranam idhudhaan

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 09:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Did anyone catch murali vijay's expression listening to munaf patel rambling in hindi?
  Munaf: kuch kuch hota hai humaapke hai kaun ek duje ke liye
  Vijay: (no words to say just expressionlEyE saying "ek gaon mein ek kisan raghu thatha )
  

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 09:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Raina answering White's call!

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 09:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli 100
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Kohli century kanfarmed

  So sorry Plum. You should've opened a thread

  
  

• From: satissh_r on 20th October 2010 09:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum unga chaterjee ellam waste avan nooru aduchitan

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 09:52 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Did anyone catch murali vijay's expression listening to munaf patel rambling in hindi?
  Munaf: kuch kuch hota hai humaapke hai kaun ek duje ke liye
  Vijay: (no words to say just expressionlEyE saying "ek gaon mein ek kisan raghu thatha )
  

  

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 09:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Chatterjee start paNdrachEvE 50+. Delay dhAn kAraNam. Epdiyum world cupku kanfarmed. IppOdhaikku ivanat vuttudalAm. VEra yAraiyAvafhu target paNNalAm

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 09:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum full fledge-a irangala.. Illana onnonum patta-a kilapi irukum

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 09:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Neenga permanent target paNNa vEndiya orE aaL - Sadesaa

  
  

• From: satissh_r on 20th October 2010 09:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Chatterjee start paNdrachEvE 50+. Delay dhAn kAraNam. Epdiyum world cupku kanfarmed. IppOdhaikku ivanat vuttudalAm. VEra yAraiyAvafhu target paNNalAm

  India pavam India pavam :P Y not pick Australians?

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 09:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Take that Aussies

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 09:57 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Adejakku vote pOttEn. adhukkE avanai drop paNNittAnga.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 09:57 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Take that Aussies

  enna kuduththeenga?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 20th October 2010 09:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Adejakku vote pOttEn. adhukkE avanai drop paNNittAnga.

  avan address vaangi tharren, advanced best wishes for being MOS in WC 2011 apdinu oru card anuppunga pOdhum

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 10:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 10:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 10:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Dhoni
  
  Easy-a win panra match-la self pressure applied

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 10:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  adhellAm sari adhu enna aussie jersey colour sANiya aLLi poosinA mAdhiri?

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 20th October 2010 10:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Tiwary Salli Payale.. oru run edu da...

  
  

• From: Riyazz on 20th October 2010 10:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli . raina n yuva dhoni

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 20th October 2010 10:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yuvraj singh dressing room la en kaduppa ukkanthu irukaan??

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 10:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Raina . Hauritz-a paathaa sippudhaan varudhu

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 20th October 2010 10:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Tiwary sariyana loosu payala irupaan pola...

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 20th October 2010 10:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Tiwary Thayavu Seithu...

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 20th October 2010 10:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Tiwary Bloddy Baskar...

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 20th October 2010 10:28 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Vetri Vetri Vetri

  
  

• From: Plum on 20th October 2010 10:29 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ponting illAdha Australia thOthA pAvamA dhAn irukku...

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 20th October 2010 10:36 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Ponting illAdha Australia thOthA pAvamA dhAn irukku...

  Aama irundhu thothurundha, nalla irundhurukum

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 20th October 2010 10:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by VinodKumar's

  Ennaya ithu JAdeja playing eleven la illa ... naan intha matcha purakanikiraen

  konjam jeyikkira maadhiri position-la irukkaradhukku ore kaaranam idhudhaan

  
  
  Well played Kohli
  
  Raina He scored those runs so fast just like that

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 20th October 2010 10:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Raina, kohli and Yuvraj .

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 20th October 2010 10:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  raina
  
  India

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 20th October 2010 10:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  There were days when the indian batsmen used to panic if the req RR starts climbing. Thanx to the new blood, the situation has completely changed.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 02:45 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  YArangE - pitchla konjam life and bounce pOdungappA! Let's see the fearless young guns' reaction.
  I am all for praising young guns but they are not kaal dhoosu to be compared to seniors and said to be better in any aspect yet. They are quite lucky to have the right conditions. Pls don't insult real heroes of indian cricket with statements like "only young guns fossible". Even the best youngster Raina still kathkalis on pitches with slight life. And don't even start comparing the opp bowlers - mcg gillespie lee vs mcK, hauritz and unknown names
  Feddy? Your thoughts
  
  Just remembered - only 2 months back, our pavushu without dhoni(forget sachin, viru etc with youngsters was shown in zimbabwe!

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 02:54 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum I didnt watch the match. So comments are based only from scoreboard. This is a weak Aussie Team. No strike bowlers like Bollinger, Mitchell and Hilfenhaus. Heck not even Watson and Ponting. They are busy preparing for Ashes This series is a dead rubber. So we shouldn't read much into the results. A full strength Aussie team is still the team to beat in ODI's .
  
  Too much talk is going on in our Indian preparation for World cup. IMO, we still have a lot of issues to be addressed. One for example would be the 7th batting spot and our bowlers injury list(s).

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 21st October 2010 05:02 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ICC Rating la namakku point eruthu athaan mukkiyam...

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:19 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Varalaaru miga mukkiyam ofcourse but if this young team continues to do well in favourable conditions only, any attempt to show them in better light than predecessors - rahul, sachin, anil, lax, gangs, viru and to some extent yuv and dhoni(who ofcourse is honoured in the youth gang also as leader) - is laughable.
  That group is responsible for our best results including in adverse conditions. This group let them prove themselves like that and then one can compare them favourably to predecessors)

  
  

• From: raghavendran on 21st October 2010 08:28 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Varalaaru miga mukkiyam ofcourse but if this young team continues to do well in favourable conditions only, any attempt to show them in better light than predecessors - rahul, sachin, anil, lax, gangs, viru and to some extent yuv and dhoni(who ofcourse is honoured in the youth gang also as leader) - is laughable.
  That group is responsible for our best results including in adverse conditions. This group let them prove themselves like that and then one can compare them favourably to predecessors)

  

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 09:24 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  kohli, raina, yuvi...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 09:29 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  plum is right, the same batsmen sothappufied in SL - Dambulla 2 months ago...bowling friendly pitches,.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 09:30 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  minna ellaam (2000s) 275+ chase-na nallaa paraparappaa irukkum (irrespective of batting team). ippollaam the same score is chased down almost in a canter and it is not that much interesting . Any reasons?

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 09:37 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  i think because we have seen 190, 200+ scores easily chased down in T20s, IPL... 50 from 24 balls etc ellam assault-a adikkuranuga...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 10:14 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  YArangE - pitchla konjam life and bounce pOdungappA! Let's see the fearless young guns' reaction.
  I am all for praising young guns but they are not kaal dhoosu to be compared to seniors and said to be better in any aspect yet. They are quite lucky to have the right conditions. Pls don't insult real heroes of indian cricket with statements like "only young guns fossible". Even the best youngster Raina still kathkalis on pitches with slight life. And don't even start comparing the opp bowlers - mcg gillespie lee vs mcK, hauritz and unknown names
  Feddy? Your thoughts
  
  Just remembered - only 2 months back, our pavushu without dhoni(forget sachin, viru etc with youngsters was shown in zimbabwe!

  Makes lots of sense. Inga pakkathula Sri lanka layae 80, 100 runs kellaam ellaarum surundu poanaanga... Youngsters kaana aattam nnu solra T20 World cup layae velila poi rendu varushamaa manna kavvittu thaan vanthirukkoam.. Intha IPL, indian pitches against weak bowling and easy pitches la konjam adichiduraanga..
  
  ippadi patta nilamaila aadi rendu match la adikirathukkulayae the way kohli, innum konjam paer behave panrathu paarka sagikala..
  ivangellaam real difficult conditions la innum niraya matches consistent aa aada aarambichaa thaangaathu.. innum Chinna pasanga kooda cricket aadi atha jeyichu vilambaram pannaathathu thaan baaki..

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 10:32 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  TM, chinna pasanga(Zimbabwe) kUda aada pOnAnga.
  Chennai-28 mAdhiri "epdi pOttAlum adikkarAndA"-nu maNNai kavvikittu thirumbi vandhuttAnga

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 10:49 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  The WC is in our sub-continent only... so, nothing to worry for now. Inga entha alavukku adichu nalla form aaguranugalo antha alavukku WC chances will be bright for us. :P

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 11:00 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ennamO nallA irundhA sari.
  2011-Oda 50 overs World Cup-ai ozhikkaNum.
  
  BTW, is it true that the test championship will have Semis and Finals
  apram edhukku long drawn league matches - it depends on your form during the knockout matches who is #1

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 11:05 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  agree to Plum that the youngsters are not as good as the seniors.. but to put these youngsters down so badly is not good..
  
  even the seniors have so many examples of mannai kavvifying in the past..

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 11:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hamid, I am not putting them down. It started because they were being projected as better than previous Indian players.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 11:13 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum..
  I was referring only to the kaal thoosu comment.. otherwise I am okay..
  
  But one thing to support these youngsters is t hey play as a unit.. there is always someone who rises to the occasion.. and the belief they can win.. the panic is lesser now.. It is more of teamwork rather than individual brilliances.. a sign which is a signature of australian side so far..this gives more hope..
  
  I will credit this to the Captain and coach mainly for this.. But when you talk about the players as an individual ./ yes.. they have a long way to go to catch up with their seniors..

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 11:13 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Kalyasi

  Tiwary Salli Payale.. oru run edu da...

  Originally Posted by Kalyasi

  Tiwary sariyana loosu payala irupaan pola...

  Originally Posted by Kalyasi

  Tiwary Thayavu Seithu...

  Originally Posted by Kalyasi

  Tiwary Bloddy Baskar...

  
  He brought it to 6 from 8... i was also

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 11:39 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Too much talk is going on in our Indian preparation for World cup. IMO, we still have a lot of issues to be addressed. One for example would be the 7th batting spot and our bowlers injury list(s).

  I thought b4 the match that part timers r enough... but, they didn't bowl well,,,,just let off the good start we had. So, the Aus had wkts in hand and bang bang in final 10 overs.... So, i think a proper bowling all-rounder should be there @ no-7. because its obvious that bhajji is going to be selected as primary spinner 4 WC... he is not so effective for long time... plus part-timers also not bowl well-na just imagine... onnumae panna mudiyathu. Ashwin @ no-7.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 11:42 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Plum..
  I was referring only to the kaal thoosu comment.. otherwise I am okay..
  
  But one thing to support these youngsters is t hey play as a unit.. there is always someone who rises to the occasion.. and the belief they can win.. the panic is lesser now.. It is more of teamwork rather than individual brilliances.. a sign which is a signature of australian side so far..this gives more hope..
  
  I will credit this to the Captain and coach mainly for this.. But when you talk about the players as an individual ./ yes.. they have a long way to go to catch up with their seniors..

  Yes, captain and coach but you should not forget this
  
  periya thEvar a.k.a Anil-Rahul-Sachin-Saurav-VVS-Wrightnot verbatim)
  innikki nAn vedhaikkaRen. idhu maramA vaLarndhu nAnA sApda pOREn. pazham en pEran thimbAn
  
  innikku pEra payaluva pazham thinnukittirukkAngo! asthivAram avargaL pOttadhu - ellA creditayum ippO irukkaravangaLE eduthukittu pOnA adhu aniyAyam akramam. Especially, test #1 status till date only because of the above mentioned - adhula mathavangaLukku including current captain and coach immi aLavu kuda urimai or credit kedayAdhu.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 11:46 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum, disagree with the "ONLY" and "immi alavu" part in the last line of your post..

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 11:54 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  The WC is in our sub-continent only... so, nothing to worry for now. Inga entha alavukku adichu nalla form aaguranugalo antha alavukku WC chances will be bright for us. :P

  innaikku soarukku oru prachanai illa.. naalaikku paththi naalaikku yosichaa poathum nnu sollra maathiri irukku..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 11:55 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ada ithu biriyaaniba.. remba tasteaa irukkum

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 11:58 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  So, nijamaavE naama remba strong team aayittOmA?
  
  ellAm podippasangaLaa irukkaanga, thideernu paarthA paadhi team-ai adaiyaaLamE theriyalai (varushathukku oru match paarthA ippidi dhaan!)
  
  Top dog-A irundhu pazhakkamE illaiyA, eppidi reactaradhunnE puriyalai.

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:03 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Plum..
  I was referring only to the kaal thoosu comment.. otherwise I am okay..
  
  But one thing to support these youngsters is t hey play as a unit.. there is always someone who rises to the occasion.. and the belief they can win.. the panic is lesser now.. It is more of teamwork rather than individual brilliances.. a sign which is a signature of australian side so far..this gives more hope..
  
  I will credit this to the Captain and coach mainly for this.. But when you talk about the players as an individual ./ yes.. they have a long way to go to catch up with their seniors..

  Yes, captain and coach but you should not forget this
  
  periya thEvar a.k.a Anil-Rahul-Sachin-Saurav-VVS-Wrightnot verbatim)
  innikki nAn vedhaikkaRen. idhu maramA vaLarndhu nAnA sApda pOREn. pazham en pEran thimbAn
  
  innikku pEra payaluva pazham thinnukittirukkAngo! asthivAram avargaL pOttadhu - ellA creditayum ippO irukkaravangaLE eduthukittu pOnA adhu aniyAyam akramam. Especially, test #1 status till date only because of the above mentioned - adhula mathavangaLukku including current captain and coach immi aLavu kuda urimai or credit kedayAdhu.

  It is not only this.. Forming a team is not only abt Coach or Captain. They have a part no doubt.. Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and all play a big part too.. Why Sachin is considered great within the team also.. It is not because he scored so many runs.. His Presence in Team, in dressing room, while playing the guidance he give to others, and some other factors.. applicable to others like Dravid and Laxman as well..If not for Laxman Ishant Sharma would not have made any significance in winning the first test.. ippadi niraya vishayam vittuduroam..

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  ada ithu biriyaaniba.. remba tasteaa irukkum

  but baethi yum pudungum

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  The WC is in our sub-continent only... so, nothing to worry for now. Inga entha alavukku adichu nalla form aaguranugalo antha alavukku WC chances will be bright for us. :P

  innaikku soarukku oru prachanai illa.. naalaikku paththi naalaikku yosichaa poathum nnu sollra maathiri irukku..

  So, wat r u trying to say? should sack all the rainas kohlis and rohits? shapppa... we have a test/ODI series in SA b4 WC,... hope our young players try to adopt and learn to play well in those conditions...vera enna panna mudiyum... Hope u understand WC is the biggest thing in cricket.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 12:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yes, yes, TM. kadaisilA ellAthiayum vasadhiyA "Captaincy only fossible"-nu simpleA mudichudaRAnga. The contribution(beyond runs and wickets) of Rahul, Sachin, VVS(in the current setup) and Anil/Saurav before, not to mention Viru impact is conveniently under played as minor factors. The truth is these are the major factors and captaincy/coach/yougnsters are a minor factor especially in our Test ascendancy.
  
  sila samayam idhukkAgavAvadhu nALaikkE ivangaLLAM retire AgaNumnu thONudhu

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum.. you are doing the same mistake while accusing the other side for doing it..

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 12:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  minna ellaam (2000s) 275+ chase-na nallaa paraparappaa irukkum (irrespective of batting team). ippollaam the same score is chased down almost in a canter and it is not that much interesting . Any reasons?

  Birth of T20.. Batsman r not afraid to play the shots.. Innovation of new shots.. Pitches slowing down..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  minna ellaam (2000s) 275+ chase-na nallaa paraparappaa irukkum (irrespective of batting team). ippollaam the same score is chased down almost in a canter and it is not that much interesting . Any reasons?

  Birth of T20.. Batsman r not afraid to play the shots.. Innovation of new shots.. Pitches slowing down..

  and also batsmen friendly rules.. like free hits etc..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Plum..
  I was referring only to the kaal thoosu comment.. otherwise I am okay..
  
  But one thing to support these youngsters is t hey play as a unit.. there is always someone who rises to the occasion.. and the belief they can win.. the panic is lesser now.. It is more of teamwork rather than individual brilliances.. a sign which is a signature of australian side so far..this gives more hope..
  
  I will credit this to the Captain and coach mainly for this.. But when you talk about the players as an individual ./ yes.. they have a long way to go to catch up with their seniors..

  Yes, captain and coach but you should not forget this
  
  periya thEvar a.k.a Anil-Rahul-Sachin-Saurav-VVS-Wrightnot verbatim)
  innikki nAn vedhaikkaRen. idhu maramA vaLarndhu nAnA sApda pOREn. pazham en pEran thimbAn
  
  innikku pEra payaluva pazham thinnukittirukkAngo! asthivAram avargaL pOttadhu - ellA creditayum ippO irukkaravangaLE eduthukittu pOnA adhu aniyAyam akramam. Especially, test #1 status till date only because of the above mentioned - adhula mathavangaLukku including current captain and coach immi aLavu kuda urimai or credit kedayAdhu.

  It is not only this.. Forming a team is not only abt Coach or Captain. They have a part no doubt.. Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and all play a big part too.. Why Sachin is considered great within the team also.. It is not because he scored so many runs.. His Presence in Team, in dressing room, while playing the guidance he give to others, and some other factors.. applicable to others like Dravid and Laxman as well..If not for Laxman Ishant Sharma would not have made any significance in winning the first test.. ippadi niraya vishayam vittuduroam..

  I agree with you TM.. not only the bolded part, but the entire post.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  It is not only this.. Forming a team is not only abt Coach or Captain. They have a part no doubt.. Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and all play a big part too.. Why Sachin is considered great within the team also.. It is not because he scored so many runs.. His Presence in Team, in dressing room, while playing the guidance he give to others, and some other factors.. applicable to others like Dravid and Laxman as well..If not for Laxman Ishant Sharma would not have made any significance in winning the first test.. ippadi niraya vishayam vittuduroam..

  seems u r very careful not using ganguly's name anywhere... enna than seniors-kaka pesinalum antha anti-ganguly ellam vittu kodukka mattureenga... :P

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  The WC is in our sub-continent only... so, nothing to worry for now. Inga entha alavukku adichu nalla form aaguranugalo antha alavukku WC chances will be bright for us. :P

  innaikku soarukku oru prachanai illa.. naalaikku paththi naalaikku yosichaa poathum nnu sollra maathiri irukku..

  So, wat r u trying to say? should sack all the rainas kohlis and rohits? shapppa... we have a test/ODI series in SA b4 WC,... hope our young players try to adopt and learn to play well in those conditions...vera enna panna mudiyum... Hope u understand WC is the biggest thing in cricket.

  appadiyaa sollavae illa
  
  ivangala innum thalayila thookki vachchi aadura alavukku innum onnum saathikalainnu solren and mentioning them as bigger to certain Proven seniors.. and for kohli i dont mind him being taken away from team.. no attitude.. for me those people are much much unworthy to consider.. yuvi paththi niraya solliyaachchu.. the reason is i dont want Indian team filled with Ponting like people filled over...ivangala onnu neri paduthanum or thooki poadanum..

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 12:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Plum.. you are doing the same mistake while accusing the other side for doing it..

  Hamid, I stand by my words, In the test world, Captain/Yougnsters' contribution is minimal. In Limited Overs, especially ODIS, which is Dhoni's most-suited format, yes, Dhoni takes huge credit along with Raina. But, in tests, most of our wins in the past decade is due to the brilliance, experience and commitment and togetherness of our seniors. And they are also grooming the youngsters now so even future wins will have their stamp. Dhoni is the reaper here.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  TM.. itz a surprise you are shocked to know world cup is the biggest event in cricket.. even you agree or not, it is...
  innamum Kapil dev win pannatha sollikittu illaya? winning world cup is the dream for many including the seniors who are mentioned..

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  It is not only this.. Forming a team is not only abt Coach or Captain. They have a part no doubt.. Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and all play a big part too.. Why Sachin is considered great within the team also.. It is not because he scored so many runs.. His Presence in Team, in dressing room, while playing the guidance he give to others, and some other factors.. applicable to others like Dravid and Laxman as well..If not for Laxman Ishant Sharma would not have made any significance in winning the first test.. ippadi niraya vishayam vittuduroam..

  seems u r very careful not using ganguly's name anywhere... enna than seniors-kaka pesinalum antha anti-ganguly ellam vittu kodukka mattureenga... :P

  I am not against Ganguly's batting or so.. But his attitude and Politics he brought in team is well known i believe. .He played a part in Team development iniitially but at the same time Collapse aagurathukkum he was a part.. The latter part was more imo.. So as a whole i wont consider him to be put in the same league as Sachin, Dravid and Laxman in playing a part of Team Man.. With only respect to batting yes.. he is on their league..

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:18 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  TM.. itz a surprise you are shocked to know world cup is the biggest event in cricket.. even you agree or not, it is...
  innamum Kapil dev win pannatha sollikittu illaya? winning world cup is the dream for many including the seniors who are mentioned..

  hello athu nakkal..ennamo yaarukkum theriyaatha onna sonnathukku

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 12:18 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yes, WC is huge no doubt. It is the only thing comparable to Test #1 Ranking.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Plum.. you are doing the same mistake while accusing the other side for doing it..

  Hamid, I stand by my words, In the test world, Captain/Yougnsters' contribution is minimal. In Limited Overs, especially ODIS, which is Dhoni's most-suited format, yes, Dhoni takes huge credit along with Raina. But, in tests, most of our wins in the past decade is due to the brilliance, experience and commitment and togetherness of our seniors. And they are also grooming the youngsters now so even future wins will have their stamp. Dhoni is the reaper here.

  ah.. now you changed from your stand.. but I dont mind.. I too dont have much problems with what you have posted here... Yes.. seniors are the main reason for us being the No.1 side in test cricket.. y davut ya? without seniors (especialy sachin/lax) no way we could have attained test No.1 status.. happy to agree with that.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by hamid

  TM.. itz a surprise you are shocked to know world cup is the biggest event in cricket.. even you agree or not, it is...
  innamum Kapil dev win pannatha sollikittu illaya? winning world cup is the dream for many including the seniors who are mentioned..

  hello athu nakkal..ennamo yaarukkum theriyaatha onna sonnathukku

  wont you be able to place any argumemnt without your nakals and naiyaandis or using this as a trick to keep the argument in a friendly manner?

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  The WC is in our sub-continent only... so, nothing to worry for now. Inga entha alavukku adichu nalla form aaguranugalo antha alavukku WC chances will be bright for us. :P

  innaikku soarukku oru prachanai illa.. naalaikku paththi naalaikku yosichaa poathum nnu sollra maathiri irukku..

  So, wat r u trying to say? should sack all the rainas kohlis and rohits? shapppa... we have a test/ODI series in SA b4 WC,... hope our young players try to adopt and learn to play well in those conditions...vera enna panna mudiyum... Hope u understand WC is the biggest thing in cricket.

  appadiyaa sollavae illa
  
  ivangala innum thalayila thookki vachchi aadura alavukku innum onnum saathikalainnu solren and mentioning them as bigger to certain Proven seniors.. and for kohli i dont mind him being taken away from team.. no attitude.. for me those people are much much unworthy to consider.. yuvi paththi niraya solliyaachchu.. the reason is i dont want Indian team filled with Ponting like people filled over...ivangala onnu neri paduthanum or thooki poadanum..

  attitude can be changed... ex, sreesanth.
  leave out kohli...but, some real talented players like yuvi r gifted to our team... should not trash out them just because of attitude... i agree and i also dont like his attitude... there r lot of players in world cricket with worst attitude but being match winners for their team in many occasions...ponting watson pieterson sangakara etc...

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sourav,
  attitude is very important for team building and I agree with TM on that part.. wont mind throwing yuvi or bhajji from the team..

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  I am not against Ganguly's batting or so.. But his attitude and Politics he brought in team is well known i believe. .He played a part in Team development iniitially but at the same time Collapse aagurathukkum he was a part.. The latter part was more imo.. So as a whole i wont consider him to be put in the same league as Sachin, Dravid and Laxman in playing a part of Team Man.. With only respect to batting yes.. he is on their league..

  we dunno how much truth in it... but, i read in few interviews of viru, zaheer, bhajji, yuvi they mentioned much abt ganguly's part...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by hamid

  TM.. itz a surprise you are shocked to know world cup is the biggest event in cricket.. even you agree or not, it is...
  innamum Kapil dev win pannatha sollikittu illaya? winning world cup is the dream for many including the seniors who are mentioned..

  hello athu nakkal..ennamo yaarukkum theriyaatha onna sonnathukku

  i told that because u were talking like WC prep < playing in bowling pitches...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Sourav,
  attitude is very important for team building and I agree with TM on that part.. wont mind throwing yuvi or bhajji from the team..

  i understand that... but, if u consider 'only' attitude who r all will be in our squad(ODIs) atlast? only sachin dhoni viru raina... most of all other should be kicked out...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  wont you be able to place any argumemnt without your nakals and naiyaandis or using this as a trick to keep the argument in a friendly manner?

  Entha discussion um romba rough aa poagaama irukkarathukku :P

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 12:36 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hamid, sari oru flow-la immi aLavunnu sollittEn. What I meant is minimal only.
  In LOIs, as the cookie has crumbled, we have had some wins in good conditions. But in adverse conditions, it was Sachin in australia who took us through. This team is yet to prove itself in adverse conditions. But I can excuse that and agree that even this much - winning in good conditions - is an evolution for the better. But building hagiographic narratives over that...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Sourav,
  attitude is very important for team building and I agree with TM on that part.. wont mind throwing yuvi or bhajji from the team..

  i understand that... but, if u consider 'only' attitude who r all will be in our squad(ODIs) atlast? only sachin dhoni viru raina... most of all other should be kicked out...

  India romba perusu .. u shd not consider the size of india by just looking India Map...

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 12:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  that brings us an important and often ignored topic..
  
  facilities for findling and grooming new talents.. nothing is happening on that part though BCCI is the richest body in the world

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by hamid

  wont you be able to place any argumemnt without your nakals and naiyaandis or using this as a trick to keep the argument in a friendly manner?

  Entha discussion um romba rough aa poagaama irukkarathukku :P

  nan onnu solluvenn...but, venam... phone-la solren...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 12:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  I am not against Ganguly's batting or so.. But his attitude and Politics he brought in team is well known i believe. .He played a part in Team development iniitially but at the same time Collapse aagurathukkum he was a part.. The latter part was more imo.. So as a whole i wont consider him to be put in the same league as Sachin, Dravid and Laxman in playing a part of Team Man.. With only respect to batting yes.. he is on their league..

  we dunno how much truth in it... but, i read in few interviews of viru, zaheer, bhajji, yuvi they mentioned much abt ganguly's part...

  those were initial times.. and for these people to come up he played a part ..athaan naan initial stages nnu sollitanae.. there are more to talk on his not so good behaviour later.. one thing is he coming late or never coming to practice sesssions.. ippadiyae sollitae poalaam.. no time to go futher

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 12:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by hamid

  wont you be able to place any argumemnt without your nakals and naiyaandis or using this as a trick to keep the argument in a friendly manner?

  Entha discussion um romba rough aa poagaama irukkarathukku :P

  nan onnu solluvenn...but, venam... phone-la solren...

  Enakum phone le sollunga

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:46 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Sourav,
  attitude is very important for team building and I agree with TM on that part.. wont mind throwing yuvi or bhajji from the team..

  i understand that... but, if u consider 'only' attitude who r all will be in our squad(ODIs) atlast? only sachin dhoni viru raina... most of all other should be kicked out...

  India romba perusu .. u shd not consider the size of india by just looking India Map...

  from wen u start to realize that...
  rombha thatthuvam pesuna avlo than....

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 12:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by hamid

  wont you be able to place any argumemnt without your nakals and naiyaandis or using this as a trick to keep the argument in a friendly manner?

  Entha discussion um romba rough aa poagaama irukkarathukku :P

  nan onnu solluvenn...but, venam... phone-la solren...

  Enakum phone le sollunga

  yov... phone panni avar kittaye kettukonga.....

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 12:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by hamid

  wont you be able to place any argumemnt without your nakals and naiyaandis or using this as a trick to keep the argument in a friendly manner?

  Entha discussion um romba rough aa poagaama irukkarathukku :P

  nan onnu solluvenn...but, venam... phone-la solren...

  Enakum phone le sollunga

  yov... phone panni avar kittaye kettukonga.....

  No-a anipi vaingo...

  
  

• From: Riyazz on 21st October 2010 01:00 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  dhak........... romba mukiamana visayama..... ivalov aurvama irukinga....... a :P

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 21st October 2010 01:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://www.cricinfo.com/india-v-aust...ry/482944.html
  
  Zim oda velayadara maadri illa pannaraainga....

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 01:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Riyazz

  dhak........... romba mukiamana visayama..... ivalov aurvama irukinga....... a :P

  Cha.. Adha keka illinga.. Chumma phone no therinjuka thaan...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 02:03 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Kalyasi

  http://www.cricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2010/content/current/story/482944.html
  
  Zim oda velayadara maadri illa pannaraainga....

  nammalunga kooda than kenya kooda aadura maathiri ojha-lerunthu kooja varaikkum ellorukkum resttu kodukkuraanga.... wats the difference is we r still winning, Aus is keep losing...

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 02:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  periya thEvar a.k.a Anil-Rahul-Sachin-Saurav-VVS-Wrightnot verbatim)
  innikki nAn vedhaikkaRen. idhu maramA vaLarndhu nAnA sApda pOREn. pazham en pEran thimbAn
  
  innikku pEra payaluva pazham thinnukittirukkAngo! asthivAram avargaL pOttadhu - ellA creditayum ippO irukkaravangaLE eduthukittu pOnA adhu aniyAyam akramam. Especially, test #1 status till date only because of the above mentioned - adhula mathavangaLukku including current captain and coach immi aLavu kuda urimai or credit kedayAdhu.

  
  Hamid - why the time wasting
  
  
  Edit :

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Hamid, sari oru flow-la immi aLavunnu sollittEn. What I meant is minimal only. .

  
  
  Hamid - continue discassan - innum konja nerathula plum oru 33% reservation kku vandhuduvaar :P

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 03:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  India Test #1 Rankingku Current managementku 33% credit kudukka only certain group of fans fossible.
  The point is not even about the seed sown by the seniors. The fact is all nurturing and even sitting down with the sickle to harvest is being done by the seniors now.
  
  If there was no Dhoni in the last two years, even with an inferior keeper, this core group of seniors would have achieved this result whoever the captain/keeper was. There might be a numerical difference in the exact record, that's all.
  
  What Dhoni is doing is that he is ensuring that the groundwork done by the seniors does not go waste and he deserves every bit of praise for that. But if any of the architects of the #1 Ranking was dispensable - among AK-RD-SRT-VVS-MSD-JW-GK-SCG - it is Dhoni rather than any one else. Ofcourse, this doesnt mean we dont want Dhoni, Infact, we need Dhoni now. Without him, the future sounds bleak but the past and present belongs wholly to the seniors.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 03:18 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  Top dog-A irundhu pazhakkamE illaiyA, eppidi reactaradhunnE puriyalai.

  that sums up, innocently, the "seniors" contribution ..........

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 03:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yeah, blame the seniors for going through the process of leading India from darkness to light. In doing so, obviously there was a period where they were in darkness and semi-darkness. They did the hardwork of leading us to light and are still the guys maintaining the light.
  What you are doing is to enjoy the light provided by them and without any gratefulness blame them for the darkness we were in.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 03:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  But one thing to support these youngsters is t hey play as a unit.. there is always someone who rises to the occasion.. and the belief they can win.. the panic is lesser now.. It is more of teamwork rather than individual brilliances..

  bang on - this has never been the characteristic of previous sides......tendulkar out aana mudinjudhu matchhu - ippa appadi illave illa
  
  and i would like to know how Rahul Dravid contributed to team building - 2007 WC was a disastrous tourney completely demoralising the team........great batsman ellam ok but

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 03:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  It is this ridiculous narrative that One fine day, MSD came with a torch and eliminated darkness that irritates me the most.
  
  The winning instinct was forged, with hard work, through several years by the seniors. Thats how dynasties are built - not through one man arriving suddenly one day with a magic torch light. The whole narrative of new age juniors brining killer instinct is flawed exactly in this point. It takes years to build, and that was done and is being done by the seniors. Reaping the benefit, and LOLing at them is the work of a smart cookie sure but that doesnt make it a true representation.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 03:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  A team environment is made out of a diverse set of individuals and attitudes. When a overwhelmingly psoitve set of attitudes with different skills converge, they make a difference. That's what SCG-RSD-SRT and co. did.
  What Rahul Dravid did? What an ungrateful question to ask.
  It is a sin to even answer this question.
  
  yeah, Indian cricket were this anadhai paavam kozhandhai - one day a rich man MSD adopted it and sudedntly, they became rich, powerful and succesful.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 03:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  The whole narrative of new age juniors brining killer instinct is flawed exactly in this point. It takes years to build, and that was done and is being done by the seniors.

  completely disagree
  
  its part of evolution, our economic progress, the confidence of being a successful nation, we are a different country and people than we were in 1995.....
  
  yes, senior's contribution is very important (on paper)

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 03:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What Rahul Dravid did? What an ungrateful question to ask.

  oh yeah, i remember one thing that rahul dravid did - declare innings when sachin was on 194* - thankfully dhoni didnt follow dravid's techniques and extended a test match to enable sach's century and supported him during his marathon ODI 200

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 03:44 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  It is this ridiculous narrative that One fine day, MSD came with a torch and eliminated darkness that irritates me the most.

  it is also ridiculous to say that they have got the dinner ready and Dhoni just came and ate it all..
  
  I completely agree that the seniors played a major role in attaining No1 Position.. but to claim even without Dhoni we could have achieved that is as ridiculous as you claim the other way..

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 03:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oh yeah, i remember one thing that rahul dravid did - declare innings when sachin was on 194* -

  Spot-la aqvisd Ganguly irundhaarunga. ethanai thadavai solradhu.
  
  indhiyAvin PM Manmohini yA illai soniavA?

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 03:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  If there was no Dhoni in the last two years, even with an inferior keeper, this core group of seniors would have achieved this result whoever the captain/keeper was. There might be a numerical difference in the exact record, that's all.

  Goundar to SR - 'adheppadi maapu konjam kooda vekkapadaama pesitta'

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 03:51 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Independent of all this, Flau , alleged supercaptain, confidence maltova Ganguly paththi unga karuthu?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 03:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  
  Who said (here) that Dhoni is solely responsible / majorly responsible for India's success in Tests?
  From the posts I can read that many are saying he is also one of the reasons. But did anybody claim he is the major reason?
  Or am I missing something here?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 03:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  confidence maltOva

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 03:57 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I dunno how to react in this situation.. Plum, let me know one man in Indian team who can do exactly wat Dhoni did for last 2 yrs as Captain...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 03:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  But one thing to support these youngsters is t hey play as a unit.. there is always someone who rises to the occasion.. and the belief they can win.. the panic is lesser now.. It is more of teamwork rather than individual brilliances..

  bang on - this has never been the characteristic of previous sides......tendulkar out aana mudinjudhu matchhu - ippa appadi illave illa

  The thing is from the period of Tendulkar, he is the only one consistent in both ODI and Test leaving certain patch periods he had..
  
  There was supportive roles like Dravid and Ganguly in tests. Later joined by Laxman. Ganguly test performance later went down is a different thing.
  
  In ODI For Tendul supportive role played well by Ganguly to certain extent and there were supports from Jadeja, some times Robin singh and few more were there..
  
  ippa enna Periya improvement naa Sehwag playing at the top for test.. Once again Tendulkar is the Main stay along with Laxman, Dravid.. Ok Dravid is not in his best ..fine.. Raina ippa vanthu 2 match la adikirathu, Vijay oru match la century adikirathellaam eduthukkavae padaathu.. Such things were happening in past too.. I know Sada Ramesh hitting centuries.
  
  Itha maathiri thaan one days at the moment. Ippa Dhoni and Yuvraj playing good Support in ODI. Probabably Gautam Gambir in the past 2 years. Others let them prove their worth across for the next 2 years at least. Intha maathiri indian pitches against not so good bowling adikirathellaam mattum eduthukirathula oru nyaayamum illa.. The same youngsters when in Zimbabwe even lost to Zimbabwe (that too current Zimbabwe is the weakest ever ) In test Match what Laxman did in recent test match could be not be possible by any youngster any time against a worthy opposition. Building a Team is not only arranging team meetings, talking nicely or so out of Pitch.. Within Pitch also there shd be support, knowledge and assistance w.r.t cricket.
  
  Youngster game nnu solla koodiya T20 layae past 2 years velila adipattu uthapattu thaan vanthirukoam. Konjam consistent aa Away from India also let them win considerable amount of matches without the support of seniors. Then we can talk on Quality on the team..

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 04:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oh yeah, i remember one thing that rahul dravid did - declare innings when sachin was on 194* -

  Spot-la aqvisd Ganguly irundhaarunga. ethanai thadavai solradhu.
  
  indhiyAvin PM Manmohini yA illai soniavA?

  thanks for including Ganguly - ore kal-la rendu maanga .......

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 04:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  And I accept to the fact that Seniors did everything initially.. They played their role and Dhoni used it well and he is also one of the many for our success

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 04:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  to enable sach's century and supported him during his marathon ODI 200

  hello..ODI match ellaam declare panrathu illa.. antha time la runner aa irunthaa support aa :P

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 04:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  I dunno how to react in this situation.. Plum, let me know one man in Indian team who can do exactly wat Dhoni did for last 2 yrs as Captain...

  How can you answer such questions. remba hypotheticalAvE maindain paNreenga, rendu sideum.
  
  Fielding placement, batting order decisions, bowling changes - these are the pretty much the only manifestations of captaincy that we can see and argue about.
  
  mathapadi confidence, bawdy languvEj - idhu maadhiri intangibles-ai ellAm ottu mothamA dismiss paNNidaradhu.
  
  Naan cricket paartha kaalangaLil, there was nothing discernably spectacular about Ganguly. But he was getting some notable results. adhunaala media andha kudhi kudhichAinga. Plus he used to 'give it back' and all so paraparappukku panjamillai. Dravid's record was just as good. Aaana yaar peththa piLLaiyO, oru mediakkaaranukkum avanai pudikkAdhu.
  
  I am not saying Dhoni's contribution isn't much. I don't watch enough to argue eitherway.
  
  But those of you making your points would do well to talk about decisions than amorphous things like confidence, engarEjing yengergaL, etc. like they said about Ganguly. And there too be cautious about the decisions you are arguing about.
  
  For instance, first innings-la touch-la irukkuravanai second innings-la (follow on aanaa) promote paNRadhu ulaga vazhakkam dhaanungaLE. VVS Calcutta-la iRanginadhum, andha concept-ai kaNdupudichadhE Ganguly dhaan appidinnutaanga.
  
  <ding> Round 2 ...start

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 04:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  In test Match what Laxman did in recent test match could be not be possible by any youngster any time against a worthy opposition.

  laxman eppavume, salvaging with tail dhaan but tell me one tail ender of yester-years in range of ishant sharma who could have supported laxman - u can go beyond kapil dev period if u want
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Konjam consistent aa Away from India also let them win considerable amount of matches without the support of seniors. Then we can talk on Quality on the team..

  paarungalen, India is the no.1 test team in the world for past 1 yr

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 04:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Feeyaar, resurrecting dead bodies!

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 04:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  I am not saying Dhoni's contribution isn't much. I don't watch enough to argue eitherway.

  Kalavaani "Arikki" : illa nee solli dhaan paaren
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  But those of you making your points would do well to talk about decisions than amorphous things like confidence, engarEjing yengergaL, etc. like they said about Ganguly. And there too be cautious about the decisions you are arguing about.

  adhukku dhaan measurable quantitya results-nnu irukku.........adhayum namba maattengreenga - ennaya solradhu

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 21st October 2010 04:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  But one thing to support these youngsters is t hey play as a unit.. there is always someone who rises to the occasion.. and the belief they can win.. the panic is lesser now.. It is more of teamwork rather than individual brilliances..

  bang on - this has never been the characteristic of previous sides......tendulkar out aana mudinjudhu matchhu - ippa appadi illave illa

  there were supports from Jadeja, some times Robin singh and few more were there..

  ivanga rendu per velaiye kevalama thokkaratha thaduthu niruthi konjam gouravama thokka vaikkarathu than...
  
  In test matches, seniors are still doing great... # 1 position has been achieved with their tremendous form... don't forget Kumble's captaincy apart from Dhoni's...
  
  But in ODIs, currently we have a very good consistency in winning matches... there was a time when we had to chase more than 250, tend was the only batsman to do that... the most significant difference from the senior's team is chasing big targets convincingly... senior's team did NOT do this even in INDIAN pitches... apart from Sachin, you don't have any senior batsman now... but still, we are doing very well compared to the old team (till Ganguly's period)...

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 04:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Mottai mandaila sandhanam thadavuradhu periya veerem illainu Plum solraar!

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 04:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Mottai mandaila sandhanam thadavuradhu periya veerem illainu Plum solraar!

  idha thaan 3 varushama sollittu irukkaanga - paadhila, dhoni konja nallavan-nnu 10 peru katchi thaavunaainga - mudiva enna dhaan solraaru-nnu kettuttu vaanga

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 04:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Before calling somebody as next SRT, next RD, next VVS, avanga ferfaarmance in various conditions over a reasonable period of time say 3-4 years paakkalaam. Appuram oru mudivukku varalaam.

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 04:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  adhukku dhaan measurable quantitya results-nnu irukku.........adhayum namba maattengreenga - ennaya solradhu

  adhu outcome.
  Fail aayirundhA captain dhaan-nu solli debate-ai mudichurupAngalle
  
  PanjAyathu input paththi.
  
  Bowling and fielding changes have been the only things through which I have been able to evaluate captaincy to some extent.
  
  Suresh Raina being brought in and dismissing Ponting in thtest is one example I saw. I am sure those of you watching all the matches will have many such examples. But most arguments I see (I don't mean here, but generally Dhonifans) are about coolness, encouraging youngsters etc. Not quite things you know much about or can read much into. adhai thaan chonnEn.
  
  Anyway, ennaiyellAm neenga nambavA pOreenga.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 04:18 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Before calling somebody as next SRT, next RD, next VVS, avanga ferfaarmance in various conditions over a reasonable period of time say 3-4 years paakkalaam. Appuram oru mudivukku varalaam.

  andha panjayathha yaarume kootala
  
  prachana enna theriyuma - India winning "consistently" under Dhoni's captaincy and Dhoni having a following........idhu rendum eppa stop aagudho, annaikku indha prachhana oru mudivu-kku varum.....
  
  Hamid has put it perfectly, no Dhoni fan is claiming that everything is Dhoni-mayam......

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 04:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Flau, ippo namma manage paNRa teamgaL kooda thaan result kudukkudhu, nalla pEr edukkudhu....
  
  adhai vachchu dhaanE neenga theory-yE develop paNreenga?
  
  vidunga, namma humility ivanguLukku enga puriyappOvudhu.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 04:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  adhukku dhaan measurable quantitya results-nnu irukku.........adhayum namba maattengreenga - ennaya solradhu

  adhu outcome.
  Fail aayirundhA captain dhaan-nu solli debate-ai mudichurupAngalle

  yaaru, naangala, avangala??
  
  first of all, Dhoni win pannalenna, avara pathhi pechhe vandhirukkaadhu .........for starters, dhoni lets his bowlers set fields - idhu oru pudhiya trend......ok, W>G.Grace might have done similar thing in 1870-nnu argue pannadhingappa - oru example dhaan
  
  btw, reasonable analysis is made out of Dhoni's decisions after every match and we claim support based on that - u r missing all the discussions pinna

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 04:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  namma pangukku nammalum rendu bit-a poduvom:
  1) The quality of opposition in 90s & 00s also has to be taken into account while looking at the results
  2) In the last 2 years (around the time India became Numero Uno), India has only played NZ away (and won against a very weak team). All other matches were played in India.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 04:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Dhoni captaincy la naama aaduna varaikkum best results possible achieve paNNiyirukkOm. Idhu fact. Idhai edhukku maraikkaNum? Indha team ippo jeikka DhoniYUM oru kaaraNam. Aaduna aththanai pErum kaaraNam.
  % split vEnumna, runs and wickets analysis series after series, winning crucial moments etc eduththu paakaNum.
  AdhE samayam, indha Indian F1 car nallaa Oda Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble and Lakshman dhaan track pOttaanga and car construction senjaanga. Idhyum marakka koodaadhu.
  Dhoni is the best possible driver to lead this car to No. 1 in podium finish. Illenna Sachin edhukku Dhoni pEra Captaincy ku recommend seiyyaNum, over yuvraj when Dravid stepped down?
  Avarukku theriyaadhaa yaaru best person to leadnu?

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 04:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  namma pangukku nammalum rendu bit-a poduvom:
  1) The quality of opposition in 90s & 00s also has to be taken into account while looking at the results
  2) In the last 2 years (around the time India became Numero Uno), India has only played NZ away (and won against a very weak team). All other matches were played in India.

  Adhukku munnadi naama same NZ ku poi romba kevalamaa asinga pattadha aarum marandhiruka maatinga nu nenaikuraen

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 04:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricke...?homepage=true
  Ivan edhukku eppo paarththaalum Sachina supportkku izhukkaraan?

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 04:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  namma pangukku nammalum rendu bit-a poduvom:
  1) The quality of opposition in 90s & 00s also has to be taken into account while looking at the results
  2) In the last 2 years (around the time India became Numero Uno), India has only played NZ away (and won against a very weak team). All other matches were played in India.

  Adhukku munnadi naama same NZ ku poi romba kevalamaa asinga pattadha aarum marandhiruka maatinga nu nenaikuraen

  nnaa, adhukkudhaangnaa first point-u (Shane Bond)

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 04:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  In test Match what Laxman did in recent test match could be not be possible by any youngster any time against a worthy opposition.

  laxman eppavume, salvaging with tail dhaan but tell me one tail ender of yester-years in range of ishant sharma who could have supported laxman - u can go beyond kapil dev period if u want

  I can think of ODI. .Where Kumble and Srinath for 10th wicket scored 48 runs or so winning a match..
  
  The point i wanted to convey is ... Since it was laxman, Ishant would have known, it is difficult to get him out.. Only thing he had to do is not doing stupid thing and try to stick on certain basics. Say if Dhoni was there in the same situation, naamalum konjam suththi paarthu seekiram achieve pannalaam kind of thoughts would have come. This is w.r.t tests.. If ODI or T20 Dhoni as a batsman under certain situation can do also.
  
  That is what negative results in the past shows also.. Example Chennai test where Tendul's wonderful innings went in Vain.. Till he was there he could and his presence could keep everythng in control.. After his departure...bussssssssss....
  
  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Konjam consistent aa Away from India also let them win considerable amount of matches without the support of seniors. Then we can talk on Quality on the team..

  paarungalen, India is the no.1 test team in the world for past 1 yr

  Other than Tendul, Dravid and Laxman there were Sehwag and Gambhir..
  
  Though i am not with so called approach of Sehwag i have to sadly accept one thing.. but fact is his explosion at the start is one of the major factor in getting us to Top and staying for long... Luckily his approach is clicking in Tests.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 04:46 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  Independent of all this, Flau , alleged supercaptain, confidence maltova Ganguly paththi unga karuthu?

  That's a good point, Feyaar.In as much as Ganguly supporters claim that he was solely responsible for the attitude change, the confidence levels, my argument is he succeeded because he got this core group of individuals who put their ego aside and worked together towards common goals.
  What did he contribute? Just as much as what we claim Dhoni contributes today. He fronted for his team and handled certain board politics(thanks in no small measure to a beneficial regime led by Dalmia) that would have been too much for RSD/SRT, he attracted all the criticism and let guys like Rahul operate in the background with specific goals which suits Rahul. To an extent that suits Sachin as well. MSD does the same thing at a bigger level now.
  
  Ofcourse, the ballads sung in his praise tend to romanticise his lack of bias(by which they mean the lack of regional bias - his bias was towards his favoured players irrespective of where they came from; ask Murali Kartik), cocking a snook at traditions etc.
  But his insouciance had its uses
  Steve Waugh in his autobiography admitted that Ganguly really put him off and affected his equanimity on the field. This is something SRT or RSD could never have done.
  
  I think even as a figure head for this highly competent leadership group, he had his uses.
  
  
  But the bottomline is these men had a vision together and worked on executing it. Ganguly had his attitude change as agenda, Rahul with his processes, and Sachin ofcourse was the role model. Anil Kumble was the strategist and executioner. I am not kidding, they actually coordinated effectively, consciously.
  
  Someone ridiculously brought up 194* - Rahul and Sachin had a man-to-man chat the same day and sorted it out and that is one of the ways in which this group changed the culture of the team from individualism to common good. Sachin didnt sit and brood for days about being denied a double century. And he didnt bear a grouse on Rahul for that.
  
  I cannot write a whole book in one post window. Will continue later.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 04:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  Flau, ippo namma manage paNRa teamgaL kooda thaan result kudukkudhu, nalla pEr edukkudhu....
  
  adhai vachchu dhaanE neenga theory-yE develop paNreenga?
  
  vidunga, namma humility ivanguLukku enga puriyappOvudhu.

  

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 04:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  But in ODIs, currently we have a very good consistency in winning matches... there was a time when we had to chase more than 250, tend was the only batsman to do that... the most significant difference from the senior's team is chasing big targets convincingly... senior's team did NOT do this even in INDIAN pitches... apart from Sachin, you don't have any senior batsman now... but still, we are doing very well compared to the old team (till Ganguly's period)...

  Agree.. There are some external factors added too. The pitches made nowadays mostly is only supporting Batsman.. Past layum w.r.t india athaan case.. but comparatively it is much more.. When days goes everything in India is corruption, for making money it is getting worser.. Added to this there is T20 matches played in higher level these days.. that experience brings a different approach even for ODI being played.. wicket irunthaa kadaisi paththu over la kooda adichidalaamngra nilama vanthaachu..
  
  It is not that i dont want to put credits to Dhoni.. Actually Dhoni's captaincy and contribution in ODI and T20 definitely a influence. In fact a major influence.. In fact some one like Raina's activeness in and Field kind of things is very good w.r.t current gen. If all these has to be reflected in away india, there is much more needed w.r.t youngsters.. Great batting or bowling techniques under difficult conditions. I dont think that is there. That area has to be fixed.
  
  W.r.t Tests Dhoni's part is very less. In fact test is all about individual's mental strength and Character on Field.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 04:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  VVS Calcutta-la iRanginadhum, andha concept-ai kaNdupudichadhE Ganguly dhaan appidinnutaanga.

  The man who made that decision was John Wright. Till date, many people attribute it to Ganguly. Goes to show how "succesful captain" narratives get built.

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 04:52 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  VVS Calcutta-la iRanginadhum, andha concept-ai kaNdupudichadhE Ganguly dhaan appidinnutaanga.

  The man who made that decision was John Wright. Till date, many people attribute it to Ganguly. Goes to show how "succesful captain" narratives get built.

  few years before in particular ODI Irfan pathan was sent high for assisting tendulkar and we won.. Luckily Irfan / coach told that it was Sachin's Idea.. sollalainaa ellaa pughazhum captain ukkae.. :P

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 04:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Mottai mandaila sandhanam thadavuradhu periya veerem illainu Plum solraar!

  idha thaan 3 varushama sollittu irukkaanga - paadhila, dhoni konja nallavan-nnu 10 peru katchi thaavunaainga - mudiva enna dhaan solraaru-nnu kettuttu vaanga

  Test match resultsku Dhoni fans credit appropriate paNdradhai dhAn nAn question paNdrEn.
  
  Ofcourse, we are #1. Consistency of the juniors engEnnu kEttA, we are #1 for 1 year-nu badhil solRinga. andha #1 yArAla? Definitely because of the senior group not because of captaincy.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 04:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  VVS Calcutta-la iRanginadhum, andha concept-ai kaNdupudichadhE Ganguly dhaan appidinnutaanga.

  The man who made that decision was John Wright. Till date, many people attribute it to Ganguly. Goes to show how "succesful captain" narratives get built.

  
  Manager leg Manager know

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 04:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Though i am not with so called approach of Sehwag i have to sadly accept one thing.. but fact is his explosion at the start is one of the major factor in getting us to Top and staying for long... Luckily his approach is clicking in Tests.

  Idha ellaam othukittae aaganun-ga.. If we compare the test results(which we won) between Sehwag gave a blistering start and failed, the matches where he did his role where very easy for India to achieve, infact we might hav won within a day or by an innings or even by both...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 04:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Plum

  VVS Calcutta-la iRanginadhum, andha concept-ai kaNdupudichadhE Ganguly dhaan appidinnutaanga.

  The man who made that decision was John Wright. Till date, many people attribute it to Ganguly. Goes to show how "succesful captain" narratives get built.

  
  Manager leg Manager know

  I too know yaar

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 04:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  TM, neenga managerukkellaam Manager

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 05:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  TM, neenga managerukkellaam Manager

  that sentence will be applicable only for Wife's across globe.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  TM, neenga managerukkellaam Manager

  that sentence will be applicable only for Wife's across globe.

  What I am going to do is Out-TM TM with my response to this:
  
  TM:that sentence will be applicable only for Wife's across globe
  me: you have wife's across the globe?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:07 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Great batting or bowling techniques under difficult conditions. I dont think that is there. That area has to be fixed.

  And that is a thing that Dhoni can do nothing about. This is where a captain's luck comes into picture - if he is lucky, he will get a coach or a set-up or a seniopr player who does it for him. If not, he will try to do it all by himself and fail. Ganguly had Wright, Dravid and Sachin.
  In tests, Dhoni has SRT, RSD and VVS
  
  In ODIs, we get difficult pitches very rarely anyway. When we get, we fail. And so far, Dhoni has not/can not done/do anything about it. If he is lucky, even that will be fixed and he will become super captain with win across all conditions. If not, that blank in the resume will remain. Either way, the credit or debit wouldnt go to him.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 05:18 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Though i am not with so called approach of Sehwag i have to sadly accept one thing.. but fact is his explosion at the start is one of the major factor in getting us to Top and staying for long... Luckily his approach is clicking in Tests.

  
  u dont like his approach...ok...its fine...athukkaka luckily click aaguthnu ellam solli y taking out credit from him...

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  prachana enna theriyuma - India winning "consistently" under Dhoni's captaincy and Dhoni having a following........

  prachnai adhu illai. Seniors-Ala win paNNittu, avangaLaiyE kevala padutharadhu( fans only not Dhonil; he obviously wont do that).
  
  Simple question is who is more dispensable to the Indian team, even today
  Dhoni, the captain
  OR
  Sachin-Rahul-VVS
  
  The answer is obvious (Ok, so Rahul is slowly weaning but still...)

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 05:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Mottai mandaila sandhanam thadavuradhu periya veerem illainu Plum solraar!

  idha thaan 3 varushama sollittu irukkaanga - paadhila, dhoni konja nallavan-nnu 10 peru katchi thaavunaainga - mudiva enna dhaan solraaru-nnu kettuttu vaanga

  Test match resultsku Dhoni fans credit appropriate paNdradhai dhAn nAn question paNdrEn.

  captain, kepper-e illama jeikkum-ngreenga, ok.........

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 05:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  The answer is obvious (Ok, so Rahul is slowly weaning but still...)

  

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  sari given my vai muhoortham, it might now happen that Dhoni gets injured and India loses to New Zealand in tests

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Plum

  The answer is obvious (Ok, so Rahul is slowly weaning but still...)

  

  

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 05:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Given the way NZ is playing right now, TN team is enough for white washing them..

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 05:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Given the way NZ is playing right now, TN team is enough for white washing them..

  The biggest mistake in life is under-estimating ur opponent!
  Marshall 1983 WC!

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 05:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  prachana enna theriyuma - India winning "consistently" under Dhoni's captaincy and Dhoni having a following........

  prachnai adhu illai. Seniors-Ala win paNNittu, avangaLaiyE kevala padutharadhu( fans only not Dhonil; he obviously wont do that).

  yaarunga kevala paduthhina - rahul dravid enna contribeet pannarunnu therinjikka dhaane kettom....
  
  adhu seri, yen sachina ellathukkum support izhukkreenga - sachin is "the" factor-nnu ellarukkum theriyum.........so, lets leave out sachin - nobody is even looking at his direction when it comes to questioning the contributions to team.....its just the bracketing of dravid, kumble along with sachin;s efforts for test#1 is questioned - questioned not kevala paduthhified

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy, if you believe Dravid and Kumble dont have a *major* role in shaping up India's cricketing destiny, nAn solla oNnumE illai.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 05:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Plum

  prachana enna theriyuma - India winning "consistently" under Dhoni's captaincy and Dhoni having a following........

  prachnai adhu illai. Seniors-Ala win paNNittu, avangaLaiyE kevala padutharadhu( fans only not Dhonil; he obviously wont do that).

  yaarunga kevala paduthhina - rahul dravid enna contribeet pannarunnu therinjikka dhaane kettom....
  
  adhu seri, yen sachina ellathukkum support izhukkreenga - sachin is "the" factor-nnu ellarukkum theriyum.........so, lets leave out sachin - nobody is even looking at his direction when it comes to guiding the team.....its just the bracketing of dravid, kumble for test#1 is questioned - questioned not kevala paduthhified

  Maddy WI 2006, Eng 2007, Adelaide 2003, Nottingham and Headingly 2002, Perth 2008 marandhuteengaLaa?
  Questioning Contribution of Dravid and Kumble in Shaping up this present team is seriously deplorable IMO.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 05:29 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy WI 2006, Eng 2007, Adelaide 2003, Nottingham and Headingly 2002, Perth 2008 marandhuteengaLaa?

  im not dumb to question dravid's efforts as batsman - infact i respect him equal to sachin in that dept. but as a captain and builting the team etc - adhula enna pannaru? same applies for kumble - apart from abusing youngsters when they misfield
  
  lets not romanticise everything that happened 10/8/6/4 yrs back - naangalum patthurukkom cricket since gavaskar days

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 05:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Given the way NZ is playing right now, TN team is enough for white washing them..

  The biggest mistake in life is under-estimating ur opponent!
  Marshall 1983 WC!

  He he..
  
  I would not under estimate NZ if we r touring them.. But this is our den and we will dictate terms now..

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 05:33 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy WI 2006, Eng 2007, Adelaide 2003, Nottingham and Headingly 2002, Perth 2008 marandhuteengaLaa?

  im not dumb to question dravid's efforts as batsman - infact i respect him equal to sachin in that dept. but as a captain and builting the team etc - adhula enna pannaru? same applies for kumble - apart from abusing youngsters when they misfield
  
  lets not romanticise everything that happened 10/8/6/4 yrs back - naangalum patthurukkom cricket since gavaskar days

  Similarly let's not attribute the success of the current team and No.1 Ranking to current team only.
  Apdi paarththaa ippo irukkara teamla (Excluding SRT, RD, VVS) consistent performers and match winners - Zaheer, Sehwag, Gambhir, Bhajji (Plum thittuvaar, its OK) made their debut and grew under Ganguly. Are u then accepting that the No.1 status is because of the Big 3 + Ganguly?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 05:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Given the way NZ is playing right now, TN team is enough for white washing them..

  The biggest mistake in life is under-estimating ur opponent!
  Marshall 1983 WC!

  He he..
  
  I would not under estimate NZ if we r touring them.. But this is our den and we will dictate terms now..

  India have 99% chance of winning the series. aanaa andha 1% marandhuda koodaadhunu dhaan solrEn

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 05:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Similarly let's not attribute the success of the current team and No.1 Ranking to current team only.

  nobody did - its just straight out of imagination.......infact, its other way around - people are saying current team has "no" rights to be no.1.....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Apdi paarththaa ippo irukkara teamla (Excluding SRT, RD, VVS) consistent performers and match winners - Zaheer, Sehwag, Gamhir, Bhajji made their debut and grew under Ganguly. Are u then accepting that the No.1 status is because of the Big 3 + Ganguly?

  i never doubted contributions of SRT, VVS, SCG.......infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans.........u see where the "extreme" views are coming from and plug that instead of appreciating them

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  What is Rahul Dravid's contribution?
  Simple, as a role model.
  
  Putting the team before self. Selfless Service - there cannot be a bigger role model in Indian Cricket. Not even Tendulkar.
  
  And he was the brain behind Ganguly's captaincy on field.
  Zaheer's batting coach is Rahul Dravid and Zaheer has huge regard as much as for Ganguly as a positive influence in his career.
  
  I mean, it is ridiculous questioning what Dravid did to shape the team beyond his batsmanship.
  
  enakku BP ERudhE, vERa yArAvadhu badhil sollunga please. Vinodkumar, engayyA pOna?

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 05:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  kumble - apart from abusing youngsters when they misfield

  He is NCA's head now... anga training edukkura players nelamai.... awwww....

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 05:44 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Similarly let's not attribute the success of the current team and No.1 Ranking to current team only.

  nobody did - its just straight out of imagination.......infact, its other way around - people are saying current team has "no" rights to be no.1.....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Apdi paarththaa ippo irukkara teamla (Excluding SRT, RD, VVS) consistent performers and match winners - Zaheer, Sehwag, Gamhir, Bhajji made their debut and grew under Ganguly. Are u then accepting that the No.1 status is because of the Big 3 + Ganguly?

  i never doubted contributions of SRT, VVS, SCG.......infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans.........u see where the "extreme" views are coming from and plug that instead of appreciating them

  appo edukku ivLo periya saNda?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans.........

  Significant chunk of credit should go to old tiemrs - that is not an extreme view at all, it is a most reasonable view.

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 05:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  And he was the brain behind Ganguly's captaincy on field.

  idhaiyellAm dhaan eppudi solreengannu kEkkurEn.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 05:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  enakku BP ERudhE, vERa yArAvadhu badhil sollunga please. Vinodkumar, engayyA pOna?

  avan, dravid sariya aadathulerunthu intha pakkamae varrathullla, dravid thread-um update panrathullla... sabatham yethum potturukkano ennavo...

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 05:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Similarly let's not attribute the success of the current team and No.1 Ranking to current team only.

  nobody did - its just straight out of imagination.......infact, its other way around - people are saying current team has "no" rights to be no.1.....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Apdi paarththaa ippo irukkara teamla (Excluding SRT, RD, VVS) consistent performers and match winners - Zaheer, Sehwag, Gamhir, Bhajji made their debut and grew under Ganguly. Are u then accepting that the No.1 status is because of the Big 3 + Ganguly?

  i never doubted contributions of SRT, VVS, SCG.......infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans.........u see where the "extreme" views are coming from and plug that instead of appreciating them

  appo edukku ivLo periya saNda?

  timepass aaganum-la

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 05:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Our youngsters need exactly that - a coach like Kumble who will not stand mediocrity(even if he himself was a mediocre bowler). The job of a bowler is to create wicket taking chances, and the job of a fielder is to makes ure chances arent missed. Kumble, the fielder, might be ineffective but that doesnt mean Kumble, the bowler, should get frustrated at dropped catches - because that means he, Kumble, did his primary job but the fielder didnt.
  
  If someone underperforms because Kumble scolded him, he doesnt deserve to be in the team period. idhaiyellAm perusu paduthikittu

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 05:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Kalyasi

  Tiwary Bloddy Baskar...

  Ajay, yaaraachum sariyaa aadalainna ungaLa edhukku makkaL thitturaanga? Munnaadi Venkiraja, nethikku Kalyan!

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 05:57 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Enna seyya? Pala thadavai evil emoticon pottutten. Yaarum kandukitta maadhiri theriyala..

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 05:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Management to Dravid - We want to play additional batsman. So guess what, you will take up the gloves (even if you are not a regular keeper) and bat No. 5 (at a stage when he was an accomplished No. 3). And despite trying his level best (in trying to do something he isn't even needed to) he will be panned if he makes mistakes. ippo irukkura youngsters yaaraachum idhai pannuvaangala? Simple example - andha Zim series-la opening slot gaaliyaa irundhuchu. opening eranguvom-nu oru paya volunteer pannalai, velayaadaamaye irundhaalum iruppome thavira opening erangi enga chance-a keduthukka maatomnu sonna maadhiri irundhuchu.
  
  Sehwag one of reasons for India's success was totally out of form. Dravid - as captain - kept backing him as he knew Sehwag is a true match winner.
  
  Dravid's contribution is much much more than what it actually seems. Sachin maadhiri aaganumnu aspire panradhu youngsters-ku kashtam (because of his talent) but Dravid is a fine example of work ethic, maximizing your talent and dedication to the team's cause.

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 05:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Similarly let's not attribute the success of the current team and No.1 Ranking to current team only.

  nobody did - its just straight out of imagination.......infact, its other way around - people are saying current team has "no" rights to be no.1.....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Apdi paarththaa ippo irukkara teamla (Excluding SRT, RD, VVS) consistent performers and match winners - Zaheer, Sehwag, Gamhir, Bhajji made their debut and grew under Ganguly. Are u then accepting that the No.1 status is because of the Big 3 + Ganguly?

  i never doubted contributions of SRT, VVS, SCG.......infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans.........u see where the "extreme" views are coming from and plug that instead of appreciating them

  appo edukku ivLo periya saNda?

  Idha thaan-ga ivlo naerama epdi kekardhu nu theriyaama muzhichuturundhaen..
  Everyone accept that senior players did everything.. But adhukkaaga Dhoni and youngsters in the team is no reason for success nu solradhu thaan yaaraalaum thaangika mudile...

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ada paavikala.. innuma inta sanda ooyala??
  
  Plum.. unga piraabalam enna? nejamaave puriyala.. Yes.. Seniors contributing is big in attaining the No.1 status.. this has been accepted many number of times..
  u r talking as if Dhoni fans said Dhoni is the sole reason for No.1 status...
  
  you seem to be the only one who take extreme side.. let us leave out seniors part.. everybody accepts that.. now talk about Dhoni's part.. does he need to get some credit or not?????

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 06:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  does he need to get some credit or not?????

  hello, avar kittaye en ketkureenga, yen kitta kelunga, ajay kitta kelunga matrum namma aalunga kittayellam kelunga

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:07 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  does he need to get some credit or not?????

  hello, avar kittaye en ketkureenga, yen kitta kelunga, ajay kitta kelunga matrum namma aalunga kittayellam kelunga

  sari sollunga.. Dhani enna senjaar? avarala enna use?

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 06:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Vadivelu: Yov, ennayya seyyala?

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 21st October 2010 06:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Similarly let's not attribute the success of the current team and No.1 Ranking to current team only.

  nobody did - its just straight out of imagination.......infact, its other way around - people are saying current team has "no" rights to be no.1.....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Apdi paarththaa ippo irukkara teamla (Excluding SRT, RD, VVS) consistent performers and match winners - Zaheer, Sehwag, Gamhir, Bhajji made their debut and grew under Ganguly. Are u then accepting that the No.1 status is because of the Big 3 + Ganguly?

  i never doubted contributions of SRT, VVS, SCG.......infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans.........u see where the "extreme" views are coming from and plug that instead of appreciating them

  appo edukku ivLo periya saNda?

  Idha thaan-ga ivlo naerama epdi kekardhu nu theriyaama muzhichuturundhaen..
  Everyone accept that senior players did everything.. But adhukkaaga Dhoni and youngsters in the team is no reason for success nu solradhu thaan yaaraalaum thaangika mudile...

  athukku thaanpa sanda pottuttuirukaango...

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  ada paavikala.. innuma inta sanda ooyala??
  
  Plum.. unga piraabalam enna? nejamaave puriyala.. Yes.. Seniors contributing is big in attaining the No.1 status.. this has been accepted many number of times..
  u r talking as if Dhoni fans said Dhoni is the sole reason for No.1 status...
  
  you seem to be the only one who take extreme side.. let us leave out seniors part.. everybody accepts that.. now talk about Dhoni's part.. does he need to get some credit or not?????

  Minimal.
  I told before - I believe that even without Dhoni, the environment built by the seniors and their determination was enough to attain #1. A majority of the overseas good performances were before Dhoni. If SRT, RSD and VVS are not available, SA Tour will be thathingiNathOm. Even with them, it is not going to be easy adhu vEra vishayam.
  
  Sri Lankala Dhoni drew a series while his predecesors didnt - idhukku Dhoni perum kAraNam illai. Laxman used all his experience and guided Raina along with him that was the major reason for the win. idhukkAga enga thalaivar pAru Sri LankalEyE Draw paNnittAr idhukku munnAdi sothai captains evvanumE paNNalai rangeku dhAn pEsa pattadhu.
  
  Dhoni hasnt had any great captaincy input into the recent wins - even the Nagpur test in previous tour was more of Ponting's gift than Dhoni's negative tactics paying off.
  
  innikku kUda, it started when someone said the youngsters pulled off a chase unlike seniors before them-nu sonnadhAla dhAn indha prachnaiyE vandhudhu.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 06:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  In the previous Ind-Aus test series in India, Mr. Anil Kumble was the captain for the first match and India lost. God had other plans and injured him. Dhoni took over as India's captain and the rest is history..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  ada paavikala.. innuma inta sanda ooyala??
  
  Plum.. unga piraabalam enna? nejamaave puriyala.. Yes.. Seniors contributing is big in attaining the No.1 status.. this has been accepted many number of times..
  u r talking as if Dhoni fans said Dhoni is the sole reason for No.1 status...
  
  you seem to be the only one who take extreme side.. let us leave out seniors part.. everybody accepts that.. now talk about Dhoni's part.. does he need to get some credit or not?????

  Minimal.
  I told before - I believe that even without Dhoni, the environment built by the seniors and their determination was enough to attain #1. A majority of the overseas good performances were before Dhoni. If SRT, RSD and VVS are not available, SA Tour will be thathingiNathOm. Even with them, it is not going to be easy adhu vEra vishayam.
  
  Sri Lankala Dhoni drew a series while his predecesors didnt - idhukku Dhoni perum kAraNam illai. Laxman used all his experience and guided Raina along with him that was the major reason for the win. idhukkAga enga thalaivar pAru Sri LankalEyE Draw paNnittAr idhukku munnAdi sothai captains evvanumE paNNalai rangeku dhAn pEsa pattadhu.
  
  Dhoni hasnt had any great captaincy input into the recent wins - even the Nagpur test in previous tour was more of Ponting's gift than Dhoni's negative tactics paying off.
  
  innikku kUda, it started when someone said the youngsters pulled off a chase unlike seniors before them-nu sonnadhAla dhAn indha prachnaiyE vandhudhu.

  completely disagree Plum... without Dhoni no way we would be the No.1 Team.. DOT..

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  My problem is specifically this - all of Dhoni's test achievements are due to the efforts and planning and building of the seniors over the years. And today, you cooly write off their huge contribution saying "What did Rahul dravid do other than batting". adhAvadhu avangaLa vechE jeyichuttu(adhuvum avanga pOtta platformla, avanga kattina kOttaila), avanaLaiyE nIyellAm jujubeenu sonnA?
  
  Rahul Dravid worked hard to get Wright as coach of India, do you know that? Why? Because he wanted a coach like Wright who will shake things up? And how Wright did that!
  
  Those guys have worked with a VISION, and executed that vision and you cooly say that they dont have a role in shaping India's criceketing destiny? Man, I cant believe people are cooly ignoring that and turning on me.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  In the previous Ind-Aus test series in India, Mr. Anil Kumble was the captain for the first match and India lost. God had other plans and injured him. Dhoni took over as India's captain and the rest is history..

  exactly.. whats the difference between the sides led by Dhoni and Kumble? obviously only Kumble is missing.. hope nobody will say that is the reason for the win
  
  it happened for two matches i believe.. Kumble captained two and iIIRC he drawn both and Dhoni captained two alternately.. he won both..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of Dhoni's test achievements are due to the efforts and planning and building of the seniors over the years.

  Plum..this is absolutely ridiculous and laughable...

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  In the previous Ind-Aus test series in India, Mr. Anil Kumble was the captain for the first match and India lost. God had other plans and injured him. Dhoni took over as India's captain and the rest is history..

  This is what I question.
  Taking one or two tests results and saying "Kumble failed, Dhoni succeeded". That was just coincidental. To believe that Dhoni did something special that Kumble didnt do is naive.
  
  idhukku orE vazhi, SRT, RSD and VVS nALaikkE retire AgaNum. pOngadA nIngaLum unga team-umnuttu. appO theriyum sEdhi
  They shouldnt wait until they build the next level and mentor the next level. Let the next level be built by Dhoni - why make it easy for him?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  In the previous Ind-Aus test series in India, Mr. Anil Kumble was the captain for the first match and India lost. God had other plans and injured him. Dhoni took over as India's captain and the rest is history..

  exactly.. whats the difference between the sides led by Dhoni and Kumble? obviously only Kumble is missing.. hope nobody will say that is the reason for the win
  
  it happened for two matches i believe.. Kumble captained two and iIIRC he drawn both and Dhoni captained two alternately.. he won both..

  So, Kumble captaincynAla dhAn draw, Dhoni captaincynAla dhAn win? Is that what you want to say?
  In effect, Laxman scored a double hundred in the match Dhoni captained and failed in Kumble's match. So, Dhoni inspired Laxman is what you are saying and Kumble failed to do so?
  How ridiculous that is.
  
  What exactly did Dhoni do special?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of Dhoni's test achievements are due to the efforts and planning and building of the seniors over the years.

  Plum..this is absolutely ridiculous and laughable...

  Why? Name a few independent achievements by Dhoni in test arena?
  (I know of one - he drew a match for Rahul Dravid in England. )

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ithukku pesaama MSD captainshipa resign pannittu pongada neengalum unga hubbum-nu poyidanum.. appa theiryum eppadi dabba dance aaduthunnu

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 06:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum,
  
  I would be lying if i say that India's rise to No.1 position is not bcoz of the efforts of the likes of the SRTs, SGs, RDs and VVSs. Its a fact that all those mentioned above were instrumental in bringing the team up the ladder. But i feel that the efforts were scattered. There was an 'x' factor missing throughout and thanks to Kumble's injury, we gotta know what was it...

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of Dhoni's test achievements are due to the efforts and planning and building of the seniors over the years.

  Plum..this is absolutely ridiculous and laughable...

  Why? Name a few independent achievements by Dhoni in test arena?
  (I know of one - he drew a match for Rahul Dravid in England. )

  Plum.. we are talking about a team and you always talk about an individual.. no point in discussing actually..

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  That is so not true, Ajay.
  
  Where was the X factor when we won in Headingley, bridgetown, perth and Durban?
  
  It takes time to move from absolute crap, to reasonable crap, to decent to good to very good to great. The seniors brought the team from absolute crap to very good - Dhoni took over at that point and is taking them to great. Clearly, who did hte bulk of work? The progression was linear, and even if there was no Dhoni, the progression would have continued.
  Absolute craplErundhu Very goodku koNdu vandhavangaLukku, very goodlERundhu great-ku koNdu pOga theriyAdhA?

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 06:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Dhoni's achievement in tests..?
  
  It was during his period of captaincy, India was ranked the No.1 test team and it still is..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:28 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Plum,
  
  I would be lying if i say that India's rise to No.1 position is not bcoz of the efforts of the likes of the SRTs, SGs, RDs and VVSs. Its a fact that all those mentioned above were instrumental in bringing the team up the ladder. But i feel that the efforts were scattered. There was an 'x' factor missing throughout and thanks to Kumble's injury, we gotta know what was it...

  ada vidunga Ajay.. itha pala thadava solliyaachu.. aanalum avar thirumba thrumba athaiyee sollittu irukkar.. yaar illennu sonnangannum kettachu..

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 06:29 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum oru kaal-a irukura ore wiral-a ninnu Dhoni onnume pannale nu solraar.. Avar avar-oada karuthularundhu maaramaataar pola.. Mathavangalum apdithaan..
  
  Silasamayam, idhuvum chaterjee-o nu yosika thonudhu

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of Dhoni's test achievements are due to the efforts and planning and building of the seniors over the years.

  Plum..this is absolutely ridiculous and laughable...

  Why? Name a few independent achievements by Dhoni in test arena?
  (I know of one - he drew a match for Rahul Dravid in England. )

  Plum.. we are talking about a team and you always talk about an individual.. no point in discussing actually..

  What do you mean by that?
  En Dhoni varrathukku munnAdi team spirit-E illaiyA?
  Someone claimed Dravid didnt have any influence in team spirit? How do you measure that?
  
  
  Rahul Dravid forged a team that won in England - it didnt have an awesome opening pair like VS-GG, the middle order ofcourse was the same as now, and the Wicket keeper batsman was new and not quite a colossus. He won with that team - what do you make of that? if you go purely by results, that is a greater achievement than any recent captain of India has achieved including Ganguly. And yet, Rahul Dravid is written off as captain by Dhoni fans. Why should I give credit to Dhoni, then, who has inherited an awesome team?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Plum,
  
  I would be lying if i say that India's rise to No.1 position is not bcoz of the efforts of the likes of the SRTs, SGs, RDs and VVSs. Its a fact that all those mentioned above were instrumental in bringing the team up the ladder. But i feel that the efforts were scattered. There was an 'x' factor missing throughout and thanks to Kumble's injury, we gotta know what was it...

  ada vidunga Ajay.. itha pala thadava solliyaachu.. aanalum avar thirumba thrumba athaiyee sollittu irukkar.. yaar illennu sonnangannum kettachu..

  adhAn rahul dravid and kumblekku pangillainu sollitIngaLE( I really dont remember who said that - yArO oruthar soNNinga). adhu En unga kaNnukku therriyalai?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Dhoni's achievement in tests..?
  
  It was during his period of captaincy, India was ranked the No.1 test team and it still is..

  sellAdhu - idhu dhAn avar inherit paNNadhu. avarOda contribution enna?

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of Dhoni's test achievements are due to the efforts and planning and building of the seniors over the years.

  Plum..this is absolutely ridiculous and laughable...

  Why? Name a few independent achievements by Dhoni in test arena?
  (I know of one - he drew a match for Rahul Dravid in England. )

  Plum.. we are talking about a team and you always talk about an individual.. no point in discussing actually..

  What do you mean by that?
  En Dhoni varrathukku munnAdi team spirit-E illaiyA?
  Someone claimed Dravid didnt have any influence in team spirit? How do you measure that?
  
  
  Rahul Dravid forged a team that won in England - it didnt have an awesome opening pair like VS-GG, the middle order ofcourse was the same as now, and the Wicket keeper batsman was new and not quite a colossus. He won with that team - what do you make of that? if you go purely by results, that is a greater achievement than any recent captain of India has achieved including Ganguly. And yet, Rahul Dravid is written off as captain by Dhoni fans. Why should I give credit to Dhoni, then, who has inherited an awesome team?

  very simple.. We are saying about the major contributions by Dhoni as team leader.. that is also a major reason for India's No.1 Team.. without Dhoni 100% we cannot have achieved the No1. status..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:36 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Plum,
  
  I would be lying if i say that India's rise to No.1 position is not bcoz of the efforts of the likes of the SRTs, SGs, RDs and VVSs. Its a fact that all those mentioned above were instrumental in bringing the team up the ladder. But i feel that the efforts were scattered. There was an 'x' factor missing throughout and thanks to Kumble's injury, we gotta know what was it...

  ada vidunga Ajay.. itha pala thadava solliyaachu.. aanalum avar thirumba thrumba athaiyee sollittu irukkar.. yaar illennu sonnangannum kettachu..

  adhAn rahul dravid and kumblekku pangillainu sollitIngaLE( I really dont remember who said that - yArO oruthar soNNinga). adhu En unga kaNnukku therriyalai?

  then what other kind of response do you expect when you say immi alavu kuuda credit kodukka mudiyaathu?
  obviously the enemy decides your weapon illaya?

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Dhoni's achievement in tests..?
  
  It was during his period of captaincy, India was ranked the No.1 test team and it still is..

  sellAdhu - idhu dhAn avar inherit paNNadhu. avarOda contribution enna?

  shabbaaa... sari. Tendulkar out aana game overnu iruntha nilamaya maathii irukkar.. is that enough?

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 06:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Dhoni's achievement in tests..?
  
  It was during his period of captaincy, India was ranked the No.1 test team and it still is..

  Remembered one of JJ's famous lines "engal aatchiyil mazhai pozhindhadhu". Of course I don't mean to say/degrade Dhoni's achievements as captain. avarudaiya pangum ulladhu, aanaal periyavaragalin pangai vida adhu kuraivudhaan enbadhu ennudaiya karuthum.
  
  PR sonna maadhiri - indha gaptaincy, maida maavu touch, Z-factor -laam eppadi measure pannuradhunnu konjam sollunga. idhai pathiyellaam therinjukkanumnu enakkum aarvamaa irukku .

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:39 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Both Sides - The scenario we are talking is hypothetical. 1-3 years down the line when the Big 3 retires, then only we will come to know how well the youngsters in the team now has been groomed by the CURRENT Management.
  Ajay, BTW WRT No.1 Ranking, it is not the 100th blow that will make a man fall, it is the previous 99 blows + 100th blow ( which is 1%).
  People here have questioned the contributions of 99 blows which is laughable.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 06:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Both Sides - The scenario we are talking is hypothetical. 1-3 years down the line when the Big 3 retires, then only we will come to know how well the youngsters in the team now has been groomed by the CURRENT Management.
  Ajay, BTW WRT No.1 Ranking, it is not the 100th blow that will make a man fall, it is the previous 99 blows + 100th blow ( which is 1%).
  People here have questioned the contributions of 99 blows which is laughable.

  Sathyaji

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Without Dhoni, a team with VS-GG-SRT-RSD-VVS-HS-ZK wouldnt have ascended to #1?
  
  In this group, HS is ofcourse a odd man out but he probably has his own contribution as well.
  Nevertheless, wouldnt these have performed the same way even if Dhoni hadnt been captain?
  Look at the nature of wins - SRT hits a 200, and stands firm with Dravid, Lax inspires Ishant and despite some quesitonable decisons from Dhoni and his poor keeping endangering India, takes them through with his own sondha determination(noit iraval from Dhoni), Zak plugs alone with his own sondha determination(not iraval from Dhoni) - these are the reasons we are winning. This they will do even if Dhoni isnt captain.
  
  If there was, as feeyaar, says major captaincy decisions that influence the victory, then your claim is justified.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Dhoni's achievement in tests..?
  
  It was during his period of captaincy, India was ranked the No.1 test team and it still is..

  Remembered one of JJ's famous lines "engal aatchiyil mazhai pozhindhadhu". Of course I don't mean to say/degrade Dhoni's achievements as captain. avarudaiya pangum ulladhu, aanaal periyavaragalin pangai vida adhu kuraivudhaan enbadhu ennudaiya karuthum.
  
  PR sonna maadhiri - indha gaptaincy, maida maavu touch, Z-factor -laam eppadi measure pannuradhunnu konjam sollunga. idhai pathiyellaam therinjukkanumnu enakkum aarvamaa irukku .

  atha sonna kuthamgraainga.. minimalaam? yes.. IMO it is lesser than the senior's contribution.. but to say it is minimal, ignoralble etc etc... ennatha solrathu?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of Dhoni's test achievements are due to the efforts and planning and building of the seniors over the years.

  Plum..this is absolutely ridiculous and laughable...

  Why? Name a few independent achievements by Dhoni in test arena?
  (I know of one - he drew a match for Rahul Dravid in England. )

  Plum.. we are talking about a team and you always talk about an individual.. no point in discussing actually..

  What do you mean by that?
  En Dhoni varrathukku munnAdi team spirit-E illaiyA?
  Someone claimed Dravid didnt have any influence in team spirit? How do you measure that?
  
  
  Rahul Dravid forged a team that won in England - it didnt have an awesome opening pair like VS-GG, the middle order ofcourse was the same as now, and the Wicket keeper batsman was new and not quite a colossus. He won with that team - what do you make of that? if you go purely by results, that is a greater achievement than any recent captain of India has achieved including Ganguly. And yet, Rahul Dravid is written off as captain by Dhoni fans. Why should I give credit to Dhoni, then, who has inherited an awesome team?

  very simple.. We are saying about the major contributions by Dhoni as team leader.. that is also a major reason for India's No.1 Team.. without Dhoni 100% we cannot have achieved the No1. status..

  How? When we won in Aus, SA, WI, Eng (Twice), SL before Dhoni, why do u say that No.1 is NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE without Dhoni?

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Both Sides - The scenario we are talking is hypothetical. 1-3 years down the line when the Big 3 retires, then only we will come to know how well the youngsters in the team now has been groomed by the CURRENT Management.
  Ajay, BTW WRT No.1 Ranking, it is not the 100th blow that will make a man fall, it is the previous 99 blows + 100th blow ( which is 1%).
  People here have questioned the contributions of 99 blows which is laughable.

  Satya, who questioned it???? it was made as if it was.. Plum has to be credited for tht..
  anyway.. summa tham katti mattume pesurathu enakku mudiyaathu enjoy guys...

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 06:44 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sathya,
  
  I am not questioning the efforts that others had put for the 99 blows. Neither do I claim that Dhoni is the sole reason for India reaching the No.1 status. But I claim that he is also one reason..

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  My Point is Contributions of SRT, RD, Ganguly, VVS, Kumble in making this team reach this level > Dhoni's Contribution, which implies that Dhoni also had contributed, in fact all the team members who had played during the last 10-15 years had contributed - Bangar in Headingly 2002, Agarkar in Adelaide 2003-04 to name a couple.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sathya,
  
  I am not questioning the efforts that others had put for the 99 blows. Neither do I claim that Dhoni is the sole reason for India reaching the No.1 status. But I claim that he is also one reason..

  100% agreed!

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Dhoni's achievement in tests..?
  
  It was during his period of captaincy, India was ranked the No.1 test team and it still is..

  sellAdhu - idhu dhAn avar inherit paNNadhu. avarOda contribution enna?

  shabbaaa... sari. Tendulkar out aana game overnu iruntha nilamaya maathii irukkar.. is that enough?

  What is his contribution to that?
  
  Raina - Chappell identified him and RAHUL SHARAD DRAVID groomed him. Today, he is a chief match winner for Dhoni. When chips were down, it was Dravid who kept in touch with Raina and kept encouraging him. He is a chief reason for "Things dont fall apart if Tendulkar is out". And you give credit to Dhoni for that?
  
  Yuvi, Sehwag, Bhajji - Ganguly proteges. if we can give credit for grooming an youngster, which is fuzzy as Feeyaar says, then Ganguly deserves the credit, not Dhoni. Ofcourse, Dhoni deserves credit for patronising Bhajji, too.
  
  How is Dhoni responsible for "If Sachin falls, still India can win?"

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Both Sides - The scenario we are talking is hypothetical. 1-3 years down the line when the Big 3 retires, then only we will come to know how well the youngsters in the team now has been groomed by the CURRENT Management.
  Ajay, BTW WRT No.1 Ranking, it is not the 100th blow that will make a man fall, it is the previous 99 blows + 100th blow ( which is 1%).
  People here have questioned the contributions of 99 blows which is laughable.

  Satya, who questioned it???? it was made as if it was.. Plum has to be credited for tht..
  anyway.. summa tham katti mattume pesurathu enakku mudiyaathu enjoy guys...

  naNbar Maddy avargaL questioned!

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  sorry to post again..
  
  Sathya, request you to read all the posts.. esp Plums.. again and the nth time saying.. nobody contradicted with your last post( hope it stays the last till I post this )

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 06:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  ennamO nallA irundhA sari.
  2011-Oda 50 overs World Cup-ai ozhikkaNum.
  

  Strongly disagree. T20 is crap. Cricket is interesting only because of its length.

  
  

• From: P_R on 21st October 2010 06:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  In a team game, particularly like cricket, captaincy always has a marginal effect.
  
  Whatever effect it has can only be evaluated through strategic decisions
  
  MADDY, point taken that I may have missed specific cases being mentioned after each match, as I don't drop in here.
  
  I don't see it being mentioned in this discussion by either side. That is what I am finding very curious.
  
  Be it Ganguly or Kumble or Dhoni
  
  -iLaingargaLai urchAgappaduthinaar
  -duck adichavan meedhu nambikkai vaithu thodarndhu ookkam kuduthAr
  - kuzhu uNarchiyai valuvaakkinaar
  
  are all useful points but all these are receiving disproportionate focus in the media. idhai thaaNdi vaanga.
  
  Else you will never see the end of this discussion.
  
  Kumble set some ordinary fields and has let many an advantage go waste. Much more was expected of a bowler captain. idhai yaarum solla maatreenga. 'Catch vitta iLaignanai thittinaan' is the worst you allege against him.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  hamid, you are not being fair. mathavanga Rahul etc-vai solRadhu reaction. But indha prachnai aarambichadhE seniors-ai vida inikku tetam is better-nu sonnadhAla dhAn. Dont blame me.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 06:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  IMO, Dhoni has been India's best leader.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:51 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  IMO, Dhoni has been India's best leader.

  Round 2 starts

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 06:52 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  For those who question Dhoni's part in the team's new found status..
  
  Pls go and stand for 5 days under the hot sun, keep the wickets (cant have a substitute here), bat for some hours and also do the thinking for your team. Then u may realise what i am trying to put across..

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  For those who question Dhoni's part in the team's new found status..
  
  Pls go and stand for 5 days under the hot sun, keep the wickets (cant have a substitute here), bat for some hours and also do the thinking for your team. Then u may realise what i am trying to put across..

  AB, major grouse of the opposite side is few people here questioned the contributions of RD and Kumble regarding the team status now.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 06:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  hamid, you are not being fair. mathavanga Rahul etc-vai solRadhu reaction. But indha prachnai aarambichadhE seniors-ai vida inikku tetam is better-nu sonnadhAla dhAn. Dont blame me.

  Most of the seniors are still part of the test team, aren't they? Sourav was never a great test batsman. We may be missing only Kumble.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by P_R

  In a team game, particularly like cricket, captaincy always has a marginal effect.
  
  Whatever effect it has can only be evaluated through strategic decisions
  
  MADDY, point taken that I may have missed specific cases being mentioned after each match, as I don't drop in here.
  
  I don't see it being mentioned in this discussion by either side. That is what I am finding very curious.
  
  Be it Ganguly or Kumble or Dhoni
  
  -iLaingargaLai urchAgappaduthinaar
  -duck adichavan meedhu nambikkai vaithu thodarndhu ookkam kuduthAr
  - kuzhu uNarchiyai valuvaakkinaar
  
  are all useful points but all these are receiving disproportionate focus in the media. idhai thaaNdi vaanga.
  
  Else you will never see the end of this discussion.
  
  Kumble set some ordinary fields and has let many an advantage go waste. Much more was expected of a bowler captain. idhai yaarum solla maatreenga. 'Catch vitta iLaignanai thittinaan' is the worst you allege against him.

  Feeyaar, i agree with you 100%
  
  I have not given credit to Ganguly or Dravid either as captains - they were just one cog all through. But what is undeniable is that this core group actually got together, discussed ways and means of taking India to next level, planned and implemented those plans. From getting john wright in to even getting Chappell in - Chappell was Ganguly's candidate originally becuase he thought Chappell will make a difference to India. They really deserve credit for working together without ego on who was captain(yeah, that mostly is a credit to everyone other than Ganguly) and focussing on taking things to next level. Kumble took care of negotiating the contracts and ensuring the legal safeguards were in place and putting in place a decent earning mechanism through grade system for youngsters.
  
  They have planned everything from Cricketing requirements to non-cricketing requirements. And executed it. idhai yArAvadhAla deny paNNa mudiyumA? With out cricket board, isnt that a big deal? And Ganguly has a good part in pushing such things through Dalmia.
  
  You cant credit any single one of them for the overall attitude change and that itself is an achievement. That ensures that even when they are gone, the process will remain.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 06:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  hamid, you are not being fair. mathavanga Rahul etc-vai solRadhu reaction. But indha prachnai aarambichadhE seniors-ai vida inikku tetam is better-nu sonnadhAla dhAn. Dont blame me.

  Most of the seniors are still part of the test team, aren't they? Sourav was never a great test batsman. We may be missing only Kumble.

  Ivan nallavanaa, kettavanaa?

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 06:57 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  hamid, you are not being fair. mathavanga Rahul etc-vai solRadhu reaction. But indha prachnai aarambichadhE seniors-ai vida inikku tetam is better-nu sonnadhAla dhAn. Dont blame me.

  Plum..I didnt see any such post.. if it is Iyaam saary..
  
  but as a sidenote, as a team I dont see a very big difference..this team is also nearly at par with any generation team.. okay..it is debatable..
  as individuals I completely agree the current generation has a long way to go to catch up with the seniors.. there are good chances they may not become one..

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 06:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  hamid, you are not being fair. mathavanga Rahul etc-vai solRadhu reaction. But indha prachnai aarambichadhE seniors-ai vida inikku tetam is better-nu sonnadhAla dhAn. Dont blame me.

  Most of the seniors are still part of the test team, aren't they? Sourav was never a great test batsman. We may be missing only Kumble.

  Ram, no. The specific claim was that based on yesterday's win, today's team has the attitude to fight till the last and chase a huge score like 290 which wasn't possible before. All this based on one result against a second grade aussie attack in benign conditions. And they are speaking of a team which lost to Zimbabwe pathetically. How ridiculous is that

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 06:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  hamid, you are not being fair. mathavanga Rahul etc-vai solRadhu reaction. But indha prachnai aarambichadhE seniors-ai vida inikku tetam is better-nu sonnadhAla dhAn. Dont blame me.

  Most of the seniors are still part of the test team, aren't they? Sourav was never a great test batsman. We may be missing only Kumble.

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.
  Brisbane 2003-04, Headingly and Nottingham 2002, 2nd Test Vs Eng in 2007, SL Vs 1998, SA 2006 to name a few.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Zimbabwe loss ellam once in a blue moon kinda thing. Yaen? Adhukku munnadi Zimbabwe kooda Ind thoathadhey illaya? Hope u remember Dougie Marillier.
  
  Even the full strength Aussie have been outplayed by Bangladesh in the past.

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 07:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  My Point is Contributions of SRT, RD, Ganguly, VVS, Kumble in making this team reach this level > Dhoni's Contribution, which implies that Dhoni also had contributed, in fact all the team members who had played during the last 10-15 years had contributed - Bangar in Headingly 2002, Agarkar in Adelaide 2003-04 to name a couple.

  Idha thaan kaalailaerndhu solrom.. Ada pongappa..
  Plum, as Satya told u will get the answer when the seniors retire, but even at that time am 100% sure u will say victories r coz of the contribution and seed sown by senior players, I agree to that too

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Zimbabwe loss ellam once in a blue moon kinda thing. Yaen? Adhukku munnadi Zimbabwe kooda Ind thoathadhey illaya? Hope u remember Dougie Marillier.
  
  Even the full strength Aussie have been outplayed by Bangladesh in the past.

  Not twice in a series IIRC

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:03 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  hamid, you are not being fair. mathavanga Rahul etc-vai solRadhu reaction. But indha prachnai aarambichadhE seniors-ai vida inikku tetam is better-nu sonnadhAla dhAn. Dont blame me.

  Most of the seniors are still part of the test team, aren't they? Sourav was never a great test batsman. We may be missing only Kumble.

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.
  Brisbane 2003-04, Headingly and Nottingham 2002, 2nd Test Vs Eng in 2007, SL Vs 1998, SA 2006 to name a few.

  Sourva wasnt a great test batsman, agreed. He was very good, though, and proved himself several times abroad. It is not like he blocked a more worthy aspirant at that time.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.
  Brisbane 2003-04, Headingly and Nottingham 2002, 2nd Test Vs Eng in 2007, SL Vs 1998, SA 2006 to name a few.

  These youngsters have not yet got any chance to play test matches abroad. So, this comparison doesn't make sense
  
  Nevertheless, Sourav was essentially a minnow-basher in ODIs and an ordinary test batsman. it was Sachin, Dravid and Laxman who really performed in tests.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhakshan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  My Point is Contributions of SRT, RD, Ganguly, VVS, Kumble in making this team reach this level > Dhoni's Contribution, which implies that Dhoni also had contributed, in fact all the team members who had played during the last 10-15 years had contributed - Bangar in Headingly 2002, Agarkar in Adelaide 2003-04 to name a couple.

  Idha thaan kaalailaerndhu solrom.. Ada pongappa..
  Plum, as Satya told u will get the answer when the seniors retire, but even at that time am 100% sure u will say victories r coz of the contribution and seed sown by senior players, I agree to that too

  Well, that is the truth, isnt it? Nevertheless, maintaing the position after the seniors retire is Dhoni's first REAL challenge and how well he does there could define his legacy. I feel he will do pretty well. What is clear is he needs the seniors to mentor the Pujaras, Vijays, Rohits, Rainas and Kohlis. If they go abruputly tomorrow, he will not be able to groom them into match winners and match savers in tests.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Zimbabwe loss ellam once in a blue moon kinda thing. Yaen? Adhukku munnadi Zimbabwe kooda Ind thoathadhey illaya? Hope u remember Dougie Marillier.
  
  Even the full strength Aussie have been outplayed by Bangladesh in the past.

  Not twice in a series IIRC

  What difference is that gonna make?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.
  Brisbane 2003-04, Headingly and Nottingham 2002, 2nd Test Vs Eng in 2007, SL Vs 1998, SA 2006 to name a few.

  These youngsters have not yet got any chance to play test matches abroad. So, this comparison doesn't make sense
  
  Nevertheless, Sourav was essentially a minnow-basher in ODIs and an ordinary test batsman. it was Sachin, Dravid and Laxman who really performed in tests.

  Boss, ordinary test batsmen dont score 7000 runs at 40+. Great illai sollunga. He was good, not great. Ordinary is too harsh

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:11 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.
  Brisbane 2003-04, Headingly and Nottingham 2002, 2nd Test Vs Eng in 2007, SL Vs 1998, SA 2006 to name a few.

  These youngsters have not yet got any chance to play test matches abroad. So, this comparison doesn't make sense
  
  Nevertheless, Sourav was essentially a minnow-basher in ODIs and an ordinary test batsman. it was Sachin, Dravid and Laxman who really performed in tests.

  Ok, unga kitta pEsa mudiyaadhu

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  It is foolish to be giving too much importance to yesterday's win and saying Indian ODI team is doing well. Our ODI bowling is pathetic. Our young batsmen are influenced way too much by T20 style which may only hurt us.
  
  OTOH, our test team is doing better under Dhoni, ofcourse with serious contribution from the seniors.

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 21st October 2010 07:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  As of now, I am of the opinion that among all Dhoni is the best captain in the cricket world today.
  
  One small question??? If possible, pl. answer.
  
  Who are the best captains in the cricket world at the moment other than Dhoni? Who is the competitor to outsmart Dhoni at the moment?
  
  IMO, possibly a year ago, one among them was Mahela Jayawardene. Now, nobody comes to my mind.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Boss, ordinary test batsmen dont score 7000 runs at 40+. Great illai sollunga. He was good, not great. Ordinary is too harsh

  Certainly ordinary when compared to what Sachin, Laxman and Dravid did and still can do.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.
  Brisbane 2003-04, Headingly and Nottingham 2002, 2nd Test Vs Eng in 2007, SL Vs 1998, SA 2006 to name a few.

  These youngsters have not yet got any chance to play test matches abroad. So, this comparison doesn't make sense
  
  Nevertheless, Sourav was essentially a minnow-basher in ODIs and an ordinary test batsman. it was Sachin, Dravid and Laxman who really performed in tests.

  Ok, unga kitta pEsa mudiyaadhu

  yen, avlo ego vaa?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  His average IN Eng - 65+
  In Pak - Almost 50
  In WI - 40
  SA, SL, Aus - 35+
  NZ - Lowest 28
  
  He did great in 2 countries, good in 3, average in 4. That makes ATLEAST Good and not ordinary.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I am not comparing Sourav with any of the youngsters, mind you.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.
  Brisbane 2003-04, Headingly and Nottingham 2002, 2nd Test Vs Eng in 2007, SL Vs 1998, SA 2006 to name a few.

  These youngsters have not yet got any chance to play test matches abroad. So, this comparison doesn't make sense
  
  Nevertheless, Sourav was essentially a minnow-basher in ODIs and an ordinary test batsman. it was Sachin, Dravid and Laxman who really performed in tests.

  Ok, unga kitta pEsa mudiyaadhu

  yen, avlo ego vaa?

  ego vum illa kosu govum illa! When u have blinkered views EVEN AFTER me posting good no of examples, edhukku pEsaNum? adhaan

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I am not comparing Sourav with any of the youngsters, mind you.

  At this stage no yaangster can be compared with him and not better than him, mind it

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I am not comparing Sourav with any of the youngsters, mind you.

  At this stage no yaangster can be compared with him and not better than him, mind it

  I never compared and never will compare till the youngsters play a considerable no. of matches abroad.
  
  It was you who compared. See this.
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.

  
  

• From: Maniraj on 21st October 2010 07:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Enna nadakuthu inga

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  SA-la Sachin, Dravid average-E 37-38 dhAn so 35 in SA is comparable to them

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I am not comparing Sourav with any of the youngsters, mind you.

  At this stage no yaangster can be compared with him and not better than him, mind it

  I never compared and never will compare till the youngsters play a considerable no. of matches abroad.
  
  It was you who compared. See this.
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  His contributions WITH BAT in significant results ABROAD is much better than many yaang guns now.

  It is not a mere comparison, but a Fact

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  It is not a mere comparison, but a Fact

  Hello, comparison-ey invalid-nu solren, neengaley othukutteenga, then how can you say that it is a fact. What is the fact that you are talking about?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 07:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  As of now, I am of the opinion that among all Dhoni is the best captain in the cricket world today.

  

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  What a day!
  By chance happened to wake at 2:30AM and post a response to that "This team is ultra fighting unit unlike seniors" post. adhu vaLarndhu maramAgi, 20 page Odichu

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  As of now, I am of the opinion that among all Dhoni is the best captain in the cricket world today.

  

  No, no engaL Ricky dhAn best captain :askubusku:

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  It is not a mere comparison, but a Fact

  Hello, comparison-ey invalid-nu solren, neengaley othukutteenga, then how can you say that it is a fact. What is the fact that you are talking about?

  Fact: Ganguly's performance is not ordinary. His abilities as a batsman are better than any of the yaang guns now.
  BTW, naan enna othukkittEn?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  As of now, I am of the opinion that among all Dhoni is the best captain in the cricket world today.

  

  No denying. Avar batting mattum seri pannikittaarna pothum.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  As of now, I am of the opinion that among all Dhoni is the best captain in the cricket world today.

  NANBENDA!!!

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 07:29 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by steveaustin

  As of now, I am of the opinion that among all Dhoni is the best captain in the cricket world today.

  

  No denying. Avar batting mattum seri pannikittaarna pothum.

  he is too stressed out.......he really needs a break - i would love to see him handover ODI captaincy to sehwag/raina and keep t20/test with himself - that way ,he can come back to form

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 07:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  oh iththana pages poiduchaa.. leaving now continee please

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 07:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  naNbar Maddy avargaL questioned!

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  i never doubted contributions of SRT, VVS, SCG.......infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Fact: Ganguly's performance is not ordinary. His abilities as a batsman are better than any of the yaang guns now.
  BTW, naan enna othukkittEn?

  You can't compare them. These guys have hardly played any TEST matches abroad, how could you start judging so early?
  
  What are you trying to prove by bringing in the youngsters? naa solla varathey vera boss.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 21st October 2010 07:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  yaarupa athu, Gangulya ah pathi thaapa pesurathu?
  
  AFIK, Dhoni is reaping the fruits from the tree sown by SCG and Dravid.. and thanni oothified by Sachin and Lachu..

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:34 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Fact: Ganguly's performance is not ordinary. His abilities as a batsman are better than any of the yaang guns now.
  BTW, naan enna othukkittEn?

  You can't compare them. These guys have hardly played any TEST matches abroad, how could you start judging so early?
  
  What are you trying to prove by bringing in the youngsters? naa solla varathey vera boss.

  To make it much clearer, cycle gap la adding Sourav to the group of greats like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman thaan koodaathu-ngren. naa youngsters pathi pesave illaye.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  yaarupa athu, Gangulya ah pathi thaapa pesurathu?
  
  AFIK, Dhoni is reaping the fruits from the tree sown by SCG and Dravid.. and thanni oothified by Sachin and Lachu..

  Marubadiyum mudhallerndha?

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 21st October 2010 07:36 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Comparing Dhoni, Ganguly and Azhar who played in different times may not give us the real picture.
  
  Since Azhar has to outsmart thinking Captains like Martin Crowe, Imran Khan, Allan Border, Arjuna Ranatunga and to certain extent Mark Taylor too.
  
  Meanwhile, Ganguly had to face the formidable captains like Steve Waugh with probably the best all time team like Windies of 1980s, Nasser Hussain, South Africa's best skipper Hansie Cronje even though he was involved in match-fixing.
  
  It's just like Gavaskar made a Indian mark in the cricket world and Kapil made it bigger by winning the world cup with bits and pieces cricketers and made cricket more popular even among rickshaw pullers and after that the entire cricket world is under the control of Sachin Tendulkar.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:36 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  naNbar Maddy avargaL questioned!

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  i never doubted contributions of SRT, VVS, SCG.......infact hamid has clearly put that old timers+current gen is the reason for the successses........thats the stand of most DHoni fans

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  its just the bracketing of dravid, kumble along with sachin;s efforts for test#1 is questioned - questioned not kevala paduthhified

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  but as a captain and builting the team etc - adhula enna pannaru? same applies for kumble - apart from abusing youngsters when they misfield
  
  lets not romanticise everything that happened 10/8/6/4 yrs back

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Fact: Ganguly's performance is not ordinary. His abilities as a batsman are better than any of the yaang guns now.
  BTW, naan enna othukkittEn?

  You can't compare them. These guys have hardly played any TEST matches abroad, how could you start judging so early?
  
  What are you trying to prove by bringing in the youngsters? naa solla varathey vera boss.

  To make it much clearer, cycle gap la adding Sourav to the group of greats like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman thaan koodaathu-ngren. naa youngsters pathi pesave illaye.

  I disagree - Sourav is ALSO a Major factor nu naan solrEn!

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sathya,
  
  Avaru sonnadhu correctthaane? He is not questioning Dravid or Kumble's skills as a player but as a captain.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum, research mudinjudhilla! pOi thesis and observations submit senju Ph.D vaangunga

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 21st October 2010 07:39 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  I disagree - Sourav is ALSO a Major factor nu naan solrEn!

  Certainly not in tests. As a captain, etho konjam pannirukalaam. But batting NO.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sathya,
  
  Avaru sonnadhu correctthaane? He is not questioning Dravid or Kumble's skills as a player but as a captain.

  Plum had given few good examples for their contributions as captains. Also, Kumble's "coolness" and strength to unify the team during the biggest crisis in recent years - Aus tour in 2008 is commendable. You cannot discount that.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  I disagree - Sourav is ALSO a Major factor nu naan solrEn!

  Certainly not in tests. As a captain, etho konjam pannirukalaam. But batting NO.

  evLo examples kuduthEn, paakkaliyaa?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 07:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Also, Kumble's "coolness

  like Dhoni's elegance

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  Dhoni better stays away from doing that and maintains his track record intact!!

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:45 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  So as a captain sachin had better record than kumble and dravidA?
  Idhulerundhe indha argumentOda strawmannes theiyalai?
  
  The greatness of that group was not bothering who is captain and contributing to team ethos besides indiv contri.
  
  Yuvi-ya captain AkkinA dhoni same effort pOduvArA? Avar velaiaya mattum pArthuttu pOvArA? Idhukku kAlam dhan vidai sollum.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:46 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  I disagree - Sourav is ALSO a Major factor nu naan solrEn!

  Certainly not in tests. As a captain, etho konjam pannirukalaam. But batting NO.

  evLo examples kuduthEn, paakkaliyaa?

  athellaam insignificant compared to what the other 3 did in TESTS

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 21st October 2010 07:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  I disagree - Sourav is ALSO a Major factor nu naan solrEn!

  Certainly not in tests. As a captain, etho konjam pannirukalaam. But batting NO.

  as a captain ok va ?
  
  he was the best captain before Dhoni.. that too having players in like of agarkar..

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Also, Kumble's "coolness

  like Dhoni's elegance

  and contribution to being No.1 in Tests

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Also, Kumble's "coolness

  like Dhoni's elegance

  

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 21st October 2010 07:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  I disagree - Sourav is ALSO a Major factor nu naan solrEn!

  Certainly not in tests. As a captain, etho konjam pannirukalaam. But batting NO.

  as a captain ok va ?
  
  he was the best captain before Dhoni.. that too having players in like of agarkar..

  100% true...

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  he was the best captain before Dhoni.. that too having players in like of agarkar..

  Yes.. Did i ever say anyone else was better than Gangs before Dhoni?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 07:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Also, Kumble's "coolness

  like Dhoni's elegance

  and contribution to being No.1 in Tests

  puriyala

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  I disagree - Sourav is ALSO a Major factor nu naan solrEn!

  Certainly not in tests. As a captain, etho konjam pannirukalaam. But batting NO.

  evLo examples kuduthEn, paakkaliyaa?

  athellaam insignificant compared to what the other 3 did in TESTS

  Now u r changing track. U said his contibutions are ordinary. When I gave enough no. of examples for his contributions abroad, u r now comparing with big 3. I posted those examples to highlight that he is Good and not ordinary.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Also, Kumble's "coolness

  like Dhoni's elegance

  and contribution to being No.1 in Tests

  puriyala

  misquoted referring wrong post. ignore

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:51 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Now u r changing track. U said his contibutions are ordinary. When I gave enough no. of examples for his contributions abroad, u r now comparing with big 3. I posted those examples to highlight that he is Good and not ordinary.

  Sathya,
  What changing track? Please consider READing all my posts before you reply.
  I can help you http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/searc...or=Ramakrishna

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 07:52 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hamid, check ajay's post on kumble and rahul.then tell me what is ridiculous

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 21st October 2010 07:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  as a captain ok va ?
  
  he was the best captain before Dhoni.. that too having players in like of agarkar..

  The only man who came close to dethrone Steve Waugh's formidable Australian team in Australia.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Now u r changing track. U said his contibutions are ordinary. When I gave enough no. of examples for his contributions abroad, u r now comparing with big 3. I posted those examples to highlight that he is Good and not ordinary.

  Sathya,
  What changing track? Please consider READing all my posts before you reply.
  I can help you http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/searc...or=Ramakrishna

  I did read all posts and know how to use search option. Thanks for the manual!
  BTW, my response was a stand-alone (not tied to any other) one to ur post / statement that Ganguly's contributions are ordinary, as a batsman and as a captain.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 21st October 2010 07:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  he was the best captain before Dhoni.. that too having players in like of agarkar..

  Yes.. Did i ever say anyone else was better than Gangs before Dhoni?

  no.. but to dismiss him completely as a batsman is what i strictly dont agree with.. if u have doubts, check his ODI record. scoring 11,363 runs is no easy..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 07:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Hamid, check ajay's post on kumble and rahul.then tell me what is ridiculous

  Plum.. naan vedikkai paarkura moodukku vanthu romba neramaachu it is also intresting-ya

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  he was the best captain before Dhoni.. that too having players in like of agarkar..

  Yes.. Did i ever say anyone else was better than Gangs before Dhoni?

  no.. but to dismiss him completely as a batsman is what i strictly dont agree with.. if u have doubts, check his ODI record. scoring 11,363 runs is no easy..

  Ippo ODIs pathiyaa pesittu irukkom?

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 07:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 07:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 07:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 21st October 2010 07:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  he was the best captain before Dhoni.. that too having players in like of agarkar..

  Yes.. Did i ever say anyone else was better than Gangs before Dhoni?

  no.. but to dismiss him completely as a batsman is what i strictly dont agree with.. if u have doubts, check his ODI record. scoring 11,363 runs is no easy..

  Ippo ODIs pathiyaa pesittu irukkom?

  ok.. more than 7000 runs in Tests is not an easy ask either..

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 07:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  
  BTW, my response was a stand-alone (not tied to any other) one to ur post / statement that Ganguly's contributions are ordinary, as a batsman and as a captain.

  This only means that you are either not reading all of my posts or not trying to understand whatever i am trying to say.
  Fine, it is your choice what to read and what not to.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  So you do not actually watch the matches? Just read statistics and discuss based on them alone?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 08:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  So you do not actually watch the matches? Just read statistics and discuss based on them alone?

  paarpEnga! energy level measure pannara aLavaukku vasadhi / instrument illeenga!

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 08:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  Do you think it is quantifiable?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  So you do not actually watch the matches? Just read statistics and discuss based on them alone?

  paarpEnga! energy level measure pannara aLavaukku vasadhi / instrument illeenga!

  Athukku avlo vasadhi thevai illeenga. You know what? The instrument is actually free.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Benny I disagree but that is ok.
  It is not about captaincy alone. These seniors worked under each other and didn't just stop with en velaiya nan paarkuren when under each other. That was a sea change from kapil-gavaskar days. That itself is a role model to youngsters. Let yuvi be made captain and let's see if dhoni continues to provide ideas to him or quietly does his job alone.
  In the aus series, dhoni was vice captain. What stopped him from giving ideas to kumble? Why did he wait to be made captain to use those ideas?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 08:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  Do you think it is quantifiable?

  adhudhaan naan solla vandhadhu! How do u measure the energy level / effort that the team is putting on the field? adhu therinjaadhaanE indha captain team have a greater energy level than this captain nu solla mudiyum?

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 08:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  So you do not actually watch the matches? Just read statistics and discuss based on them alone?

  paarpEnga! energy level measure pannara aLavaukku vasadhi / instrument illeenga!

  Athukku avlo vasadhi thevai illeenga. You know what? The instrument is actually free.

  All you need is Ravi Shastri's commentary is it not.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:07 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  All you need is Ravi Shastri's commentary is it not.

  Not necessary. TV-ya mute la vechu paatha kooda work out aagum.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 08:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  So you do not actually watch the matches? Just read statistics and discuss based on them alone?

  paarpEnga! energy level measure pannara aLavaukku vasadhi / instrument illeenga!

  Athukku avlo vasadhi thevai illeenga. You know what? The instrument is actually free.

  neenga enna solla vareenganu puriyudhu Comparing tactics - Ok, agreeable to some extent. Energy leveldhaan idikkudhu!

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  agreeable to some extent. Energy leveldhaan idikkudhu!

  Sathya, do you mean to say energy level is all about shouting at others, appearing hyper on the field?

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 08:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Benny I disagree but that is ok.
  It is not about captaincy alone. These seniors worked under each other and didn't just stop with en velaiya nan paarkuren when under each other. That was a sea change from kapil-gavaskar days. That itself is a role model to youngsters. Let yuvi be made captain and let's see if dhoni continues to provide ideas to him or quietly does his job alone.
  In the aus series, dhoni was vice captain. What stopped him from giving ideas to kumble? Why did he wait to be made captain to use those ideas?

  One of the reasons that Sachin mentioned for suggesting Dhoni's name for captaincy was that when he was fielding in the slips he could see that Dhoni usually made good observations of the status of the game and was more involved in the team's performance rather than just his keeping.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  In the aus series, dhoni was vice captain. What stopped him from giving ideas to kumble? Why did he wait to be made captain to use those ideas?

  Plum, I can't believe it is you who said this. How do you know for sure that he wasn't giving his ideas? This is a stupid claim IMO.

  
  

• From: raghavendran on 21st October 2010 08:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  agreeable to some extent. Energy leveldhaan idikkudhu!

  Sathya, do you mean to say energy level is all about shouting at others, appearing hyper on the field?

  the young bunch under dhoni r vibrant..adhu feel agaliya enne?..just compare it wid dravid's boys..ganguly's team dhan brought the aggressiveness into this team

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 08:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Indha energy levels, team sprite ellaam overrated. In fact captaincy itself is. How can a captain be responsible for Sachin's matchwinning performance in the last match in which the 'team' won? Sachin-a ursaagapaduthinaarO Dhoni?? Or for that matter Sehwag's performances over the past couple of years? Its the indivuduals and their 'form' that matters the most.
  
  But he has been very successful, in paper so respett.

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 08:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  I disagree... IMO Kumble as a captain wasn't as alert or tactical as Dhoni. He was a step behind Jayawardene in SL series which we lost. The difference in the energy of the side under Kumble & Dhoni was most evident in the 4 test series against Australia. The only plus thing on his side was his stature and respect.

  energy level difference epdi calculate senjeenga?

  Do you think it is quantifiable?

  adhudhaan naan solla vandhadhu! How do u measure the energy level / effort that the team is putting on the field? adhu therinjaadhaanE indha captain team have a greater energy level than this captain nu solla mudiyum?

  Sathya, My point is that just because you compared something doesn't mean that the attribute is quantifiable. Tamanna is prettier than Kovai sarala nu sonna adha epdi measure pannanu proof ketpeenga pola irukkey

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:16 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  
  But he has been very successful, in paper so respett.

  Even if he is/was not successful, he deserves respect your honour.
  
  Do you remember Stephen Fleming? I don't think he can boast off great results. But still was an excellent captain.

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 08:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Indha energy levels, team sprite ellaam overrated. In fact captaincy itself is. How can a captain be responsible for Sachin's matchwinning performance in the last match in which the 'team' won? Sachin-a ursaagapaduthinaarO Dhoni?? Or for that matter Sehwag's performances over the past couple of years? Its the indivuduals and their 'form' that matters the most.
  
  But he has been very successful, in paper so respett.

  They are definitely a factor Nerd, why do you think our performances were so abysmal when Greg cheppal was the coach?

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  So despite ideas given by vce capt dhoni india didn't win under kumble? So dhoni as v ice captain has share in india not winning those tests?
  It just happened that his ideas clicked in the next test?
  Wy I made this argument is the whole premise of "dhoni wasn't captai india drew; dhonimade captain india won" is flawed.
  
  In the field, capt, vc and senior players contribvute to decision making(remember sehwag making ishant bowl one more over that changed perth? He wasn't even vice captain then. Dhoni was). A failure is a collective failure as much as success is collective success. So, this whole argument with that australia series is flawed based on an accidental happening.Energy level ellAm

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 08:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  +1.
  
  Was Ponting responsible for whatever team australia achieved till 2007?. I mean 3 world cups and that test dominace. Hell No. Similarly he alone is not responsible for his team's decline of fortunes since then. It is the team that is entirely responsible.
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Indha energy levels, team sprite ellaam overrated. In fact captaincy itself is. How can a captain be responsible for Sachin's matchwinning performance in the last match in which the 'team' won? Sachin-a ursaagapaduthinaarO Dhoni?? Or for that matter Sehwag's performances over the past couple of years? Its the indivuduals and their 'form' that matters the most.
  
  But he has been very successful, in paper so respett.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Indha energy levels, team sprite ellaam overrated. In fact captaincy itself is. How can a captain be responsible for Sachin's matchwinning performance in the last match in which the 'team' won? Sachin-a ursaagapaduthinaarO Dhoni?? Or for that matter Sehwag's performances over the past couple of years? Its the indivuduals and their 'form' that matters the most.
  
  But he has been very successful, in paper so respett.

  
  A recent conversation with my onsite partner (onsite manager of the group)
  Him: xyz in your team is very good. Keep him motivated
  Memanasukulla) keep motivatingnA? Rendu cheerleader hire paNNi avan code compile paNNumbOdhellAm aada sollaNumA?

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 08:26 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  15-16 pages plum oda argument same as 3 yrs back :P

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 08:28 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Most of the seniors are still part of the test team, aren't they?

  this is a fundmental point - current team is not so radically different team from "dream team" of yesteryears ..........so appreciating "this team" is akin to appreciating seniors in the team - well put RK

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:28 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  10 varusham anaalum fact fact dhaan.

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 08:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  10 varusham anaalum fact fact dhaan.

  same to you
  
  thesis laam padichittu varen...

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  +1.
  
  Was Ponting responsible for whatever team australia achieved till 2007?. I mean 3 world cups and that test dominace. Hell No. Similarly he alone is not responsible for his team's decline of fortunes since then. It is the team that is entirely responsible.
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Indha energy levels, team sprite ellaam overrated. In fact captaincy itself is. How can a captain be responsible for Sachin's matchwinning performance in the last match in which the 'team' won? Sachin-a ursaagapaduthinaarO Dhoni?? Or for that matter Sehwag's performances over the past couple of years? Its the indivuduals and their 'form' that matters the most.
  
  But he has been very successful, in paper so respett.

  again.
  According to parameters defined by Dhoni fans, Ponting is the best captain ever. Most test wins and 2 world cups as captain. Match that.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:31 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  So despite ideas given by vce capt dhoni india didn't win under kumble? So dhoni as v ice captain has share in india not winning those tests?
  It just happened that his ideas clicked in the next test?
  Wy I made this argument is the whole premise of "dhoni wasn't captai india drew; dhonimade captain india won" is flawed.
  

  Dhoni can only give ideas. He cannot force kumble to implement those ideas. Again, i am not saying Dhoni did give him ideas. I am simply not sure what he did. How come you are so sure that he did not give any ideas? I feel it is your argument which is flawed Plum.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 08:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  It is the team that is entirely responsible

  hamid and others were merely saying that yesteryear players lacked the "spirit" that kohli and raina have and this was the response--- indha team-e wastennu dhaan arguement - this current team has minimal contribution and yesteryear teams have major contribution in India becoming no.1 in tests-nnu solraanga, which we disagreed......nobody is arguing, "dhoni only" here
  
  infact, i need to see the exact point where Dhoni was brought in

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Stan,
  
  I don't think anyone here says that the captain is the only person responsible for win or loss. It is a team game ofcourse. If you have to be winning consistently, team effort is of paramount importance. Criticising or not able to acknowledge Dhoni's talent as a captain is like doing the same to Sachin as a batsman.

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 08:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Wy I made this argument is the whole premise of "dhoni wasn't captai india drew; dhoni made captain india won" is flawed.

  It is very convenient for you to think that our argument is just based on the results.... of course results do convey a story, but that is not the point. Let me ask the question back to you, ignoring the results & team sprite, motivation rubbish etc etc what factors makes you think that Kumble was far ahead as a captain compared to Dhoni? What is your basic premise of judging a captain? Of course apart from the obvious major factor which is your personal preference

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 08:41 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Criticising or not able to acknowledge Dhoni's talent as a captain is like doing the same to Sachin as a batsman.

  Thambi, Sachin's batting is tangible, its there for everyone to see. The 'captaincy' thingi is just mere myth. You never know who gave the *idea* it might have been Dhoni himself, or even Ishant Sharma, you never know unless you are part of the XI. To witness the batting/bowing performances all you need is a TV set.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  
  again.
  According to parameters defined by Dhoni fans, Ponting is the best captain ever. Most test wins and 2 world cups as captain. Match that.

  Did they define them or are you defining them?

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 08:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Did I say kumble is ahead of dhoni as captain? The response was to someone saying kumble's conteribution as anything other than bowler is zero.
  I don't know why you guys just have to target me instead of understanding the line of argument

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 08:44 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Criticising or not able to acknowledge Dhoni's talent as a captain is like doing the same to Sachin as a batsman.

  Thambi, Sachin's batting is tangible, its there for everyone to see. The 'captaincy' thingi is just mere myth. You never know who gave the *idea* it might have been Dhoni himself, or even Ishant Sharma, you never know unless you are part of the XI. To witness the batting/bowing performances all you need is a TV set.

  <Sudarsh Mode>
  
  And Dhoni might have made a few bad decisions (and good decisions too) which may go unnoticed. All I am saying is its not easy to *measure* captaincy. Indivudual performance, you bet.
  
  <Ends>

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:46 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  Try hjarder you are getting desparate. You didn't even understand the arguments in the first place.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:47 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Yes Nerd,
  I agree with you. Infact, even i have been saying captaincy is not quantifiable.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 08:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  enna solla varreenga? Dravid-ku brain, cricketing acumen-e illaingareengala?

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 08:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  +1.
  
  Was Ponting responsible for whatever team australia achieved till 2007?. I mean 3 world cups and that test dominace. Hell No. Similarly he alone is not responsible for his team's decline of fortunes since then. It is the team that is entirely responsible.
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Indha energy levels, team sprite ellaam overrated. In fact captaincy itself is. How can a captain be responsible for Sachin's matchwinning performance in the last match in which the 'team' won? Sachin-a ursaagapaduthinaarO Dhoni?? Or for that matter Sehwag's performances over the past couple of years? Its the indivuduals and their 'form' that matters the most.
  
  But he has been very successful, in paper so respett.

  again.
  According to parameters defined by Dhoni fans, Ponting is the best captain ever. Most test wins and 2 world cups as captain. Match that.

  Dhoni haven't Captained an ODI team in a World Cup, so its no match and success ratio of Dhoni in Test is better than Ponting...

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 08:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  So despite ideas given by vice capt dhoni india didn't win under kumble? So dhoni as vice captain has share in india not winning those tests?
  It just happened that his ideas clicked in the next test?
  Wy I made this argument is the whole premise of "dhoni wasn't captai india drew; dhonimade captain india won" is flawed.

  ennanga Dhoni idea mani yaa.. kudukka kudukka Kumble win panradhukku
  
  A Leader would command respect from his team; should give that confidence to the members to be able to fail and still hold his place; lead from the front...
  
  Captaincy over rated aa... appo Mark Taylor/Steve Waugh ellam um over rated ah

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 08:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  Try hjarder you are getting desparate. You didn't even understand the arguments in the first place.

  everyone reading thru this thread can understand who is getting desperate :P

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 08:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 08:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  enna solla varreenga? Dravid-ku brain, cricketing acumen-e illaingareengala?

  Puliyan, vuttaa Sourav kku off side batting solli kuduthadhum RD nu solluvainga... RD has his own strengths - why piggyback on someone's talents!

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 08:51 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  enna solla varreenga? Dravid-ku brain, cricketing acumen-e illaingareengala?

  PuLi ivanguLukkellAm badhil sollikittu. Idhu desparationA illaiyAnnu padikkaravangaLukku nallAvE puriyum

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 08:52 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  Super Post.
  
  nerd,
  Ithathaan naan solla varen. I wasn't able to.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 08:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  apram enna paa - mastere sollittaru, ellarum velyaya paarunga(appadi onnu irundha)

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 08:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Master
  
  thanks for giving me ur hub password

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 08:56 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  thanks for giving me ur hub password

  En post-ai rendu per paarattina ungalukku porukkadhey

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 21st October 2010 08:57 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  Romba naerama ellaarum enna solla try panromo, adha ore post le simple-a sollitinga

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 08:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  Super Post.
  
  nerd,
  Ithathaan naan solla varen. I wasn't able to.

  I have not seen a single match this year but last year, I did not see a significant change in the way they play. Our players have been in phenomenal form and if you all want to attribute it to Dhoni, shake hands, walk off.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 08:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  enna solla varreenga? Dravid-ku brain, cricketing acumen-e illaingareengala?

  Puliyan, vuttaa Sourav kku off side batting solli kuduthadhum RD nu solluvainga... RD has his own strengths - why piggyback on someone's talents!

  Raina success ellaam Dravid vandhu own pannikkalai. Raina-dhaan sonnaaru.
  
  Dravid would be the last person to piggyback on somebody. If he wanted he could've continued as captain for as much long as he wanted. But he knew that his time was up, he wasn't doing the job to his fullest potential and putting the best interests of the team in mind, he quit. And BTW, he never did dharna for not picking his chums Vinay Kumar,etc. If he really felt a player is worth his place, then yes he would fight for him (Sehwag).

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 08:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy how do you define that spirit?. I mean how can we say that these young kids alone have it now and those yesteryear guys didnt have?. I am not saying these both groups did have or didnt have either.
  
  Secondly, How we came to a conclusion all of a sudden?. Yesterdays 292 chase alone shouldn't matter and it is alone not a parameter, right. I am sure that you would also agree. As TM pointed out we fielded a young team for the past 2 twenty 20 world cups and we didnt win a single super six match.
  
  Hold on I am coming to dhoni. If tomorrow Indian Test team's fortunes nosedive after senior's exit I would not be blaming Dhoni alone either. It is a gross injustice if one does that. In fact I want BCCI to replace those great talents successfully. Saying that I do see a good amount of happy faces while playing cricket these days but I am not sure who alone is responsible.
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  It is the team that is entirely responsible

  hamid and others were merely saying that yesteryear players lacked the "spirit" that kohli and raina have and this was the response--- indha team-e wastennu dhaan arguement - this current team has minimal contribution and yesteryear teams have major contribution in India becoming no.1 in tests-nnu solraanga, which we disagreed......nobody is arguing, "dhoni only" here
  
  infact, i need to see the exact point where Dhoni was brought in

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 09:03 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  enna solla varreenga? Dravid-ku brain, cricketing acumen-e illaingareengala?

  Puliyan, vuttaa Sourav kku off side batting solli kuduthadhum RD nu solluvainga... RD has his own strengths - why piggyback on someone's talents!

  Raina success ellaam Dravid vandhu own pannikkalai. Raina-dhaan sonnaaru.
  
  Dravid would be the last person to piggyback on somebody. If he wanted he could've continued as captain for as much long as he wanted. But he knew that his time was up, he wasn't doing the job to his fullest potential and putting the best interests of the team in mind, he quit. And BTW, he never did dharna for not picking his chums Vinay Kumar,etc. If he really felt a player is worth his place, then yes he would fight for him (Sehwag).

  ada Dravid naaa Dravid aeeeee vaaa.... avaru saarbula inga pesaravainga!

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 09:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  
  Hold on I am coming to dhoni. If tomorrow Indian Test team's fortunes nosedive after senior's exit I would not be blaming Dhoni alone either.

  Of course. A captain is only as good as the team. And its the team which is responsible for winning/losing.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 09:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Maddy how do you define that spirit?. I mean how can we say that these young kids alone have it now and those yesteryear guys didnt have?. I am not saying these both groups did have or didnt have either.
  
  Secondly, How we came to a conclusion all of a sudden?. Yesterdays 292 chase alone shouldn't matter and it is alone not a parameter, right. I am sure that you would also agree. As TM pointed out we fielded a young team for the past 2 twenty 20 world cups and we didnt win a single super six match.

  no, no i was just tracing the arguement back to its roots - i didnt make that statement.........i meant, this line triggered the arguement that "yesteryear" teams and players made all contribution and current team players are just reaping the benefits of all the freedom struggle.........
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Saying that I do see a good amount of happy faces while playing cricket these days but I am not sure who alone is responsible.

  we think its Dhoni, plum think its yesteryear players's contribution - as long as they are happy, its fine, we want next year world cup and complete dominance of test cricket

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 09:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  What Nerd/Plum and to a certain extent my opinion is.
  
  This is the besssttt Test Team India has ever fielded in my memory. I mean ALMOST EVERYBODY is playing to their potential. We have won matches where we have never won before. We believe that as a team this is doing very well and this adds on to the environment. We may be wrong also.
  
  Enna Plum/nerd correctaa?. If wrong please correct.
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 09:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Saying that I do see a good amount of happy faces while playing cricket these days but I am not sure who alone is responsible.

  Understandable. You are not convinced that Dhoni has a big part to play in this as a captain.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 09:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  1. Ok ok noted sir
  
  2. That is my want too.
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Maddy how do you define that spirit?. I mean how can we say that these young kids alone have it now and those yesteryear guys didnt have?. I am not saying these both groups did have or didnt have either.
  
  Secondly, How we came to a conclusion all of a sudden?. Yesterdays 292 chase alone shouldn't matter and it is alone not a parameter, right. I am sure that you would also agree. As TM pointed out we fielded a young team for the past 2 twenty 20 world cups and we didnt win a single super six match.

  no, no i was just tracing the arguement back to its roots - i didnt make that statement.........i meant, this line triggered the arguement that "yesteryear" teams and players made all contribution and current team players are just reaping the benefits of all the freedom struggle.........
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Saying that I do see a good amount of happy faces while playing cricket these days but I am not sure who alone is responsible.

  we think its Dhoni, plum think its yesteryear players's contribution - as long as they are happy, its fine, we want next year world cup and complete dominance of test cricket

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 09:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Looks like all of this is going to end peacefully

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 09:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  What is the difference between the team which toured SL in 2008 and the team which played there a month back? Almost the same team but two different results.
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  What Nerd/Plum and to a certain extent my opinion is.
  
  This is the besssttt Test Team India has ever fielded in my memory. I mean ALMOST EVERYBODY is playing to their potential. We have won matches where we have never won before. We believe that as a team this is doing very well and this adds on to the environment. We may be wrong also.
  
  Enna Plum/nerd correctaa?. If wrong please correct.
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 09:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Nerd, +1.
  
  Some of these people would have negated "saurav as captain brings a difference in attitude" but will find that intangible thing for Dhoni and vice versa.
  As feeyaar said, it really cannot be measured and claimed. Going by tv coverage and claiming that is the real
  
  And as puLi said, it was raina who talked about dravid. IngE adhukku pOdaRanga. Shows their agenda bias and lack of perception. Shake hands and walk off sAla siRandhadhu
  
  LM, I respect your views but still disagree. Without Dhoni also, the machinery will chug alone. Especially with the retirement of mcg, warne etc, australia is weakened. Ganguly lost a series to full strength aussies closely - we could have won chennai and sachin wasn't there. To compare that with a win against mcg and warneless aussie with full strength indian side is stupid.
  
  What that shows is the machinery is independent of captaincy. When it is in full swing, it will win else no. Captain is incidental. Be it ganguly or dravid or kumble or dhoni. What we should be applauding is equally, all of them set a good team atmosphere. No special points to anyone. If anything, what can be given to dhoni is his attitude even in these days of youbgsters going astray is commendable especially when he has yuvi and durby in dressing room. In that sense, all his predecessors had an advantage in that their peers were wondeful men

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 09:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Did I say kumble is ahead of dhoni as captain? The response was to someone saying kumble's conteribution as anything other than bowler is zero.
  I don't know why you guys just have to target me instead of understanding the line of argument

  Not sure whether I missed something in previous pages, but this is the post that made me comment here. Am I missing something here?
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What is wrong with their captaincy? Winning a series in Enland without Gambhir and Sehwag. Bouncing back in Perth agfter azhuguNi aussies in Sydney.
  
  That is in terms of resultsa. In temrs of building this team, the ethos, thw attitde, commitment etc, Dhoni is still to match rsd and ark.
  Enna idhu chinna puLLa thanamA?

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 09:14 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Most of the batsmen including sachin got out to Mendis. Indha thadavai andhu pappu vegala . This year Laxmans 100 and we won the test.
  
  Common LM Ningaluma?. Look at Bangalore: 486/5 to 495 all out ? . We still had to defend sachin even in this glorious year.
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  What is the difference between the team which toured SL in 2008 and the team which played there a month back? Almost the same team but two different results.
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  What Nerd/Plum and to a certain extent my opinion is.
  
  This is the besssttt Test Team India has ever fielded in my memory. I mean ALMOST EVERYBODY is playing to their potential. We have won matches where we have never won before. We believe that as a team this is doing very well and this adds on to the environment. We may be wrong also.
  
  Enna Plum/nerd correctaa?. If wrong please correct.
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Plum,
  
  Are you not feeling any difference in the way our team plays under the captaincy of Dhoni? I can't put my finger on it, but he seems to have some sort of influence on team's better performance for the past two years. Seniors+Kirsten play a huge part on it, but you cannot ignore Dhoni when we talk about India's ascendance to top tier.

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 09:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  What is the difference between the team which toured SL in 2008 and the team which played there a month back? Almost the same team but two different results.

  
  
  *Mendis' debut. Failure to read him
  *Player of the first test Murali
  *Raina Vs ageing Ganguly

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 09:17 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  : exactly:
  I still maintain that. A full strength Aussie team was able to beat us because sachin didnt play two test matches. Heck for the chennai rain we could have drawn the series
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  LM, I respect your views but still disagree. Without Dhoni also, the machinery will chug alone. Especially with the retirement of mcg, warne etc, australia is weakened. Ganguly lost a series to full strength aussies closely - we could have won chennai and sachin wasn't there. To compare that with a win against mcg and warneless aussie with full strength indian side is stupid.

  +1.
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What that shows is the machinery is independent of captaincy. When it is in full swing, it will win else no. Captain is incidental. Be it ganguly or dravid or kumble or dhoni. What we should be applauding is equally, all of them set a good team atmosphere. No special points to anyone. If anything, what can be given to dhoni is his attitude even in these days of youbgsters going astray is commendable especially when he has yuvi and durby in dressing room. In that sense, all his predecessors had an advantage in that their peers were wondeful men

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 09:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  What is the difference between the team which toured SL in 2008 and the team which played there a month back? Almost the same team but two different results.

  
  
  *Mendis' debut. Failure to read him
  *Player of the first test Murali
  *Raina Vs ageing Ganguly

  Ok, that was extreme, but the current team almost has been set for the last 3-4 years. But we had made rapid progress just in the last two years and I'm saying Dhoni is one of the factors.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 09:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  +
  
  I Don't understand how it is measured. I mean Batting/bowling performances/ field placings by captains/ bowling changes and other captain moves are observable but idhae eppadi solringannu dhan puriala.
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Saying that I do see a good amount of happy faces while playing cricket these days but I am not sure who alone is responsible.

  Understandable. You are not convinced that Dhoni has a big part to play in this as a captain.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 09:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  AF, agree. Totally. Enna world cup win paNNA kasakkavA pOgudhu? Esp. If Ponting is the losing captain?
  
  My view is captain mattumE oNyum paNNa mudiyAdhu. The team its skills its attitude individuals' commitment, coordination cooperation ellAm teVai. The Sachin generation succeeded and set the stage with such a collective positive environment. Even 194* and rumours over that couldn't shake the rahul-sachin unity. That shows the kind of character both had and to a large extebt, all five of them shared it. That is the root.
  In the test team today, dhoni is continuing that spirit. It is not something that dhoni brought newly.
  
  The difference between now and then is the quality of the supporting cast.
  Sachin had paras mhambrey and kappalottiya oriyan. Despite flaws, ishant is still better and zaheer peerless. Idhaan difference not any magical new spirit lacking in previous teams.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 09:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  What that shows is the machinery is independent of captaincy. When it is in full swing, it will win else no. Captain is incidental. Be it ganguly or dravid or kumble or dhoni. What we should be applauding is equally, all of them set a good team atmosphere. No special points to anyone. If anything, what can be given to dhoni is his attitude even in these days of youbgsters going astray is commendable especially when he has yuvi and durby in dressing room. In that sense, all his predecessors had an advantage in that their peers were wondeful men

  Dhoni mattum thaan responsible nu yaaravathu inga solraanglaanu therla. We or I strongly believe Dhoni's relaxed attitude on field is inspiration-worthy. I don't think it is so easy to be cool as a captain, control your emotions etc. It is not about win or loss alone.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 09:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of them set a good team atmosphere. No special points to anyone.

  i think this sums up Plum's entire point of arguements - Dhoni is just another captain and is nothing special.....without him too, this team can win and whatever praise Dhoni gets is a bit overrated and exaggerated , isnt it, Plum?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 09:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  yes, measurable illa. That is why i said i can understand if you are not convinced. I was feeling the same as you before, i think you know how i was against Dhoni.
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  +
  
  I Don't understand how it is measured. I mean Batting/bowling performances/ field placings by captains/ bowling changes and other captain moves are observable but idhae eppadi solringannu dhan puriala.
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Saying that I do see a good amount of happy faces while playing cricket these days but I am not sure who alone is responsible.

  Understandable. You are not convinced that Dhoni has a big part to play in this as a captain.

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 09:28 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  LM, I respect your views but still disagree. Without Dhoni also, the machinery will chug alone. Especially with the retirement of mcg, warne etc, australia is weakened. Ganguly lost a series to full strength aussies closely - we could have won chennai and sachin wasn't there. To compare that with a win against mcg and warneless aussie with full strength indian side is stupid.

  Ganguly pulled back from the match seeing grass on pitch in Nagpur test and we lost that match by a whopping margin. I just can't forget that when we talk about that series. Winning 2-0 against *any* Aus team is a commendable performance. That said, Dhoni did mess up a little in terms of captaincy in this series, IMO.
  
  

  What that shows is the machinery is independent of captaincy. When it is in full swing, it will win else no. Captain is incidental. Be it ganguly or dravid or kumble or dhoni. What we should be applauding is equally, all of them set a good team atmosphere. No special points to anyone. If anything, what can be given to dhoni is his attitude even in these days of youbgsters going astray is commendable especially when he has yuvi and durby in dressing room. In that sense, all his predecessors had an advantage in that their peers were wondeful men

  Agree with most of the the points, except that Dhoni deserves some credit for the atmosphere.

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 09:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I was feeling the same as you before, i think you know how i was against Dhoni.

  adhaan enakkum puriylai.. how is this possible. May be having a not-so-strong attachment towards this BCCI team helps in my case I believe

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 09:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  All things well said but you guys are conveniently distorting our points.
  
  First, whatever I said was not based just on results. Gross mis-assumption no. 1.
  
  Second, nobody is claiming that Captain is the sole reason for success. Big essays of replies were written based on this assumption. Solladha point vechu vambukku izhutha enna panradhu?
  
  Ignoring the role of a captain in a team's consistent performance is just as silly as attributing all it's success to the captain. At least we are sure that we are not advocating the later.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 09:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I was feeling the same as you before, i think you know how i was against Dhoni.

  adhaan enakkum puriylai.. how is this possible. May be having a not-so-strong attachment towards this BCCI team helps in my case I believe

  hello - neenga dhaan raghu kooda sanda ellam potteenga - namma team mela paasam illamala??

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 09:33 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ram, your point on Dhoni's cool is agreeable. But by itself that doesn't make a big difference. If you say IPL3, he was cool in IPL 1, IpL2, T20Wc2, t20wc3 also but we lost. If keeping cool brings win, why only 3(wc1, ipl3,Cl2) out of 7?
  Simple. The collective effort was not enough in the tournaments we lost.
  
  The england t20 wc - can we blame dhoni for the sehwag fiasco and the resultant team environment for the total fiasco in that event? Hardly fair, right?

  
  

• From: directhit on 21st October 2010 09:33 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Emu/LM/RK/Austin/Sourav - hub aa idhu - very nice :P

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 09:33 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  All things well said but you guys are conveniently distorting our points.
  
  First, whatever I said was not based just on results. Gross mis-assumption no. 1.
  
  Second, nobody is claiming that Captain is the sole reason for success. Big essays of replies were written based on this assumption. Solladha point vechu vambukku izhutha enna panradhu?
  
  Ignoring the role of a captain in a team's consistent performance is just as silly as attributing all it's success to the captain. At least we are sure that we are not advocating the later.

  super - Benny lava - im going to repost this n number of times if anyone distorts our line of arguement

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 09:36 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  And what those points would be?. Care to reiterate? .
  
  
  First of all we didn't ignore we just said it is not all due to dhoni. Ninga enga side-ayum konjam padinga.
  

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  All things well said but you guys are conveniently distorting our points.
  
  First, whatever I said was not based just on results. Gross mis-assumption no. 1.
  
  Second, nobody is claiming that Captain is the sole reason for success. Big essays of replies were written based on this assumption. Solladha point vechu vambukku izhutha enna panradhu?
  
  Ignoring the role of a captain in a team's consistent performance is just as silly as attributing all it's success to the captain. At least we are sure that we are not advocating the later.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 21st October 2010 09:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of them set a good team atmosphere. No special points to anyone.

  i think this sums up Plum's entire point of arguements - Dhoni is just another captain and is nothing special.....without him too, this team can win and whatever praise Dhoni gets is a bit overrated and exaggerated , isnt it, Plum?

  Plum, badhil innum varala
  
  i;ll take this a standard line of thinking from u - bcos weve had too many repetitive arguements

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 09:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Ram, your point on Dhoni's cool is agreeable. But by itself that doesn't make a big difference. If you say IPL3, he was cool in IPL 1, IpL2, T20Wc2, t20wc3 also but we lost. If keeping cool brings win, why only 3(wc1, ipl3,Cl2) out of 7?
  Simple. The collective effort was not enough in the tournaments we lost.
  
  The england t20 wc - can we blame dhoni for the sehwag fiasco and the resultant team environment for the total fiasco in that event? Hardly fair, right?

  Yes Plum, Dhoni's laidback approach isn't going to guarantee win always. Infact, there is no sureshot formula for success. But, Dhoni's style has better chances of bringing success than Kumble's or Sourav's. At least, that is what i strongly believe in.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 09:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Benny you came in the middle. I assume you haven't gone through the whole chain.
  Please do. Enallum poruma illai retype panna.
  I have credited dhoni equally as his predecessors for dressing room atmosphere. Idhuuku mEla enna edhirpArkaRinga?
  On character, I treat him on par with his illustrious predecessors. But avanga paNNadha special team atmosphere thillalangadi ivar edhuvum pannalaingaradhu en karuthu avlo dhaan. I am not talking about when kumble was captain, when dravid was captain etc. Yaaru captainA irundhaalum their contribution to team atmosphere has been positive and that is a huge statment on their character.
  
  Yuvi captain AnA dhoniyum apdi thAn iruppArnu nenaikkarEn. But it remains to be seen and vice versa is ofcourse not true

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 09:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  And what those points would be?. Care to reiterate? .
  
  
  First of all we didn't ignore we just said it is not all due to dhoni. Ninga enga side-ayum konjam padinga.
  

  Originally Posted by Benny Lava

  All things well said but you guys are conveniently distorting our points.
  
  First, whatever I said was not based just on results. Gross mis-assumption no. 1.
  
  Second, nobody is claiming that Captain is the sole reason for success. Big essays of replies were written based on this assumption. Solladha point vechu vambukku izhutha enna panradhu?
  
  Ignoring the role of a captain in a team's consistent performance is just as silly as attributing all it's success to the captain. At least we are sure that we are not advocating the later.

  then whr is the problem? we are talking the same thing. we never said it is only due to Dhoni.. actually it was agreed senior's contribution is much more than Dhoni..

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 09:42 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Benny you came in the middle. I assume you haven't gone through the whole chain.
  Please do. Enallum poruma illai retype panna.
  I have credited dhoni equally as his predecessors for dressing room atmosphere. Idhuuku mEla enna edhirpArkaRinga?
  On character, I treat him on par with his illustrious predecessors. But avanga paNNadha special team atmosphere thillalangadi ivar edhuvum pannalaingaradhu en karuthu avlo dhaan. I am not talking about when kumble was captain, when dravid was captain etc. Yaaru captainA irundhaalum their contribution to team atmosphere has been positive and that is a huge statment on their character.
  
  Yuvi captain AnA dhoniyum apdi thAn iruppArnu nenaikkarEn. But it remains to be seen and vice versa is ofcourse not true

  ithu eppa? appadinna matter overa? pages ini move aakathaa
  
  EDIT : oh.. I got it wrong.. Okay. continew..

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 09:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Dravid was brains behind Ganguly Captaincy
  Dravid was the reason for Raina's success
  Dravid was the brain behind Wright
  
  

  enna solla varreenga? Dravid-ku brain, cricketing acumen-e illaingareengala?

  Puliyan, vuttaa Sourav kku off side batting solli kuduthadhum RD nu solluvainga... RD has his own strengths - why piggyback on someone's talents!

  Raina success ellaam Dravid vandhu own pannikkalai. Raina-dhaan sonnaaru.
  
  Dravid would be the last person to piggyback on somebody. If he wanted he could've continued as captain for as much long as he wanted. But he knew that his time was up, he wasn't doing the job to his fullest potential and putting the best interests of the team in mind, he quit. And BTW, he never did dharna for not picking his chums Vinay Kumar,etc. If he really felt a player is worth his place, then yes he would fight for him (Sehwag).

  ada Dravid naaa Dravid aeeeee vaaa.... avaru saarbula inga pesaravainga!

  romba saaringa. neenga yaarai solreengannu theriyaama neelamaa post potu rendu peru time-ayum waste pannitten. neega kantinueee

  
  

• From: Benny Lava on 21st October 2010 09:46 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Benny you came in the middle. I assume you haven't gone through the whole chain.
  Please do. Enallum poruma illai retype panna.
  I have credited dhoni equally as his predecessors for dressing room atmosphere. Idhuuku mEla enna edhirpArkaRinga?
  On character, I treat him on par with his illustrious predecessors. But avanga paNNadha special team atmosphere thillalangadi ivar edhuvum pannalaingaradhu en karuthu avlo dhaan. I am not talking about when kumble was captain, when dravid was captain etc. Yaaru captainA irundhaalum their contribution to team atmosphere has been positive and that is a huge statment on their character.
  
  Yuvi captain AnA dhoniyum apdi thAn iruppArnu nenaikkarEn. But it remains to be seen and vice versa is ofcourse not true

  Oh good! Enakku inaiku idhu podhum... at least poi thoongura vazhiya paakren

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 09:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Will be back in an hour. All keep fighting. Don't give up.

  
  

• From: hamid on 21st October 2010 09:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Will be back in an hour. All keep fighting. Don't give up.

  :nalla iru raasa:

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 09:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I wasn't able to.

  that is bad.

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 09:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  good Few +1 's to Plum,AF and Nerd.
  
  As usual for Thambi Ramakrishna, gumballa govindaa poatathaala oru mark um kidayaathu..
  
  btw watching Padikaathavan comedy scenes..
  
  Someone : Naan oru ponna love panraen, avalum panraa... veetula oththukka maatraanga..
  
  Vivek: nee kooptaa antha ponnu kattina pudavayoada varuvaala..
  
  Some one : Kattaama kooda varuvaa

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 10:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Plum

  all of them set a good team atmosphere. No special points to anyone.

  i think this sums up Plum's entire point of arguements - Dhoni is just another captain and is nothing special.....without him too, this team can win and whatever praise Dhoni gets is a bit overrated and exaggerated , isnt it, Plum?

  Plum, badhil innum varala
  
  i;ll take this a standard line of thinking from u - bcos weve had too many repetitive arguements

  Idhu veRaiyA? Standard or Maruti argument whatever. What I am saying is captain alone cannot set the atmosphere. In the test scene, a new guy comes in and gets inspired by Sachin, Rahul and VVS as well. And the positivity is a legacy as well. Ofcourse,a captain can make things go wrong which none of these guys have let happen when they were/are captain.

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 10:04 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I was feeling the same as you before, i think you know how i was against Dhoni.

  adhaan enakkum puriylai.. how is this possible. May be having a not-so-strong attachment towards this BCCI team helps in my case I believe

  hello - neenga dhaan raghu kooda sanda ellam potteenga - namma team mela paasam illamala??

  adhu 2007. Also avaru 'India'-va attack panninaaru. Always an Indian used to be a BCCIan, not anymore

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 10:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  When sachoin etc came in to the dressing room, it was full of intrigue, backstab, fixers etc. AdhaiyellAm thANdi andha anj pErum sErndhu common goal vechu nadandhadhunAla dhAn we are where we are now. When Dhoni came in, positivity in dressing room was already established.captainA irundhaalum illaattalum full contribution koduppom, thuNayA syal paduvOmnu good exampleA irundhadhE avanga dhAn. It is not as if he walked into a negative dressing room and did a complete turnaround. Things were in place to take forward

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 10:10 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Idhu veRaiyA? Standard or Maruti argument whatever. What I am saying is captain alone cannot set the atmosphere. In the test scene, a new guy comes in and gets inspired by Sachin, Rahul and VVS as well. And the positivity is a legacy as well. Ofcourse,a captain can make things go wrong which none of these guys have let happen when they were/are captain.

  I have a related question. What sort of positive influence does Dhoni have on youngsters coming into the Test team? Dhoni took rest for a test series (against SL IIRC) and came back to play for the ODI series. I have never heard of any top cricketer (Sachin,Lara,McGrath, take your pick) resting for the test series so that he can play in the ODI series. Retiring from tests at the twilight of career is a different matter.
  
  Trend-setter, He-took-rest-when-he-wanted, Test series is long so he took rest-nu ellaam solla poreengala? IPL koodadhaan long-o long-u, adhula rest edukkalaame? che che "Franchise cricket is also professional cricket" - appo testu cricketu?

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 10:13 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  It is not as if he walked into a negative dressing room and did a complete turnaround. Things were in place to take forward

  At least credit him for not spoiling the things

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 10:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I was feeling the same as you before, i think you know how i was against Dhoni.

  adhaan enakkum puriylai.. how is this possible. May be having a not-so-strong attachment towards this BCCI team helps in my case I believe

  hello - neenga dhaan raghu kooda sanda ellam potteenga - namma team mela paasam illamala??

  adhu 2007. Also avaru 'India'-va attack panninaaru. Always an Indian used to be a BCCIan, not anymore

  What happened Surprising because you could stay away from action when Sachin is in form of his life.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 10:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I am not sure about Dravid backing shewag but other than that this was a well written post on dravid.
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Management to Dravid - We want to play additional batsman. So guess what, you will take up the gloves (even if you are not a regular keeper) and bat No. 5 (at a stage when he was an accomplished No. 3). And despite trying his level best (in trying to do something he isn't even needed to) he will be panned if he makes mistakes. ippo irukkura youngsters yaaraachum idhai pannuvaangala? Simple example - andha Zim series-la opening slot gaaliyaa irundhuchu. opening eranguvom-nu oru paya volunteer pannalai, velayaadaamaye irundhaalum iruppome thavira opening erangi enga chance-a keduthukka maatomnu sonna maadhiri irundhuchu.
  
  Sehwag one of reasons for India's success was totally out of form. Dravid - as captain - kept backing him as he knew Sehwag is a true match winner.
  
  Dravid's contribution is much much more than what it actually seems. Sachin maadhiri aaganumnu aspire panradhu youngsters-ku kashtam (because of his talent) but Dravid is a fine example of work ethic, maximizing your talent and dedication to the team's cause.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 10:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  
  Ekkasakka pages poyirukku pola...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 10:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  I am not sure about Dravid backing shewag but other than that this was a well written post on dravid.
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Management to Dravid - We want to play additional batsman. So guess what, you will take up the gloves (even if you are not a regular keeper) and bat No. 5 (at a stage when he was an accomplished No. 3). And despite trying his level best (in trying to do something he isn't even needed to) he will be panned if he makes mistakes. ippo irukkura youngsters yaaraachum idhai pannuvaangala? Simple example - andha Zim series-la opening slot gaaliyaa irundhuchu. opening eranguvom-nu oru paya volunteer pannalai, velayaadaamaye irundhaalum iruppome thavira opening erangi enga chance-a keduthukka maatomnu sonna maadhiri irundhuchu.
  
  Sehwag one of reasons for India's success was totally out of form. Dravid - as captain - kept backing him as he knew Sehwag is a true match winner.
  
  Dravid's contribution is much much more than what it actually seems. Sachin maadhiri aaganumnu aspire panradhu youngsters-ku kashtam (because of his talent) but Dravid is a fine example of work ethic, maximizing your talent and dedication to the team's cause.

  +1
  
  The only time i felt bad on Dravid was when he was doing a Manmohan singh act and declared indian innings when sachin on 194..

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 10:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  
  Ekkasakka pages poyirukku pola...

  kandu pidichittiyaa

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 10:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  
  Ekkasakka pages poyirukku pola...

  kandu pidichittiyaa

  ippo than vanthen from office... too much work u know...

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 10:22 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  inga inrunthalum summa vedikkai than paathiruppen, athu vera vishayam...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 10:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  
  Ekkasakka pages poyirukku pola...

  kandu pidichittiyaa

  ippo than vanthen from office... too much work u know...

  
  yaaru kitta katha vidura.. un office la thaan ponnungalae illayae

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 21st October 2010 10:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  I am not sure about Dravid backing shewag but other than that this was a well written post on dravid.
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Management to Dravid - We want to play additional batsman. So guess what, you will take up the gloves (even if you are not a regular keeper) and bat No. 5 (at a stage when he was an accomplished No. 3). And despite trying his level best (in trying to do something he isn't even needed to) he will be panned if he makes mistakes. ippo irukkura youngsters yaaraachum idhai pannuvaangala? Simple example - andha Zim series-la opening slot gaaliyaa irundhuchu. opening eranguvom-nu oru paya volunteer pannalai, velayaadaamaye irundhaalum iruppome thavira opening erangi enga chance-a keduthukka maatomnu sonna maadhiri irundhuchu.
  
  Sehwag one of reasons for India's success was totally out of form. Dravid - as captain - kept backing him as he knew Sehwag is a true match winner.
  
  Dravid's contribution is much much more than what it actually seems. Sachin maadhiri aaganumnu aspire panradhu youngsters-ku kashtam (because of his talent) but Dravid is a fine example of work ethic, maximizing your talent and dedication to the team's cause.

  He did Feddy. He said many times that Sehwag's fast scoring opens up avenues for us to win tests.
  http://cricket.expressindia.com/old/...ntent_id=81324
  
  Another incident is Chappell almost forcing Ganguly to open in a test match and Dravid (captain at that time) took the responsibility upon himself and came out to open with Sehwag so that Ganguly can play in his usual position in the middle order.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 10:25 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  
  Ekkasakka pages poyirukku pola...

  kandu pidichittiyaa

  ippo than vanthen from office... too much work u know...

  
  yaaru kitta katha vidura.. un office la thaan ponnungalae illayae

  6-8 cricket... i scored 30 runs... appuram saapptu, arattai adichuttu ippo than varren...

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 10:29 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  6-8 cricket... i scored 30 runs...

  ularaatha.. substitute runner kku runs ellaam saeraathu..

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 10:31 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  He did Feddy. He said many times that Sehwag's fast scoring opens up avenues for us to win tests.
  http://cricket.expressindia.com/old/...ntent_id=81324

  dravid...
  
  

  Originally Posted by Thirumaran

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  6-8 cricket... i scored 30 runs...

  ularaatha.. substitute runner kku runs ellaam saeraathu..

  

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 10:31 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  I am not sure about Dravid backing shewag but other than that this was a well written post on dravid.
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Management to Dravid - We want to play additional batsman. So guess what, you will take up the gloves (even if you are not a regular keeper) and bat No. 5 (at a stage when he was an accomplished No. 3). And despite trying his level best (in trying to do something he isn't even needed to) he will be panned if he makes mistakes. ippo irukkura youngsters yaaraachum idhai pannuvaangala? Simple example - andha Zim series-la opening slot gaaliyaa irundhuchu. opening eranguvom-nu oru paya volunteer pannalai, velayaadaamaye irundhaalum iruppome thavira opening erangi enga chance-a keduthukka maatomnu sonna maadhiri irundhuchu.
  
  Sehwag one of reasons for India's success was totally out of form. Dravid - as captain - kept backing him as he knew Sehwag is a true match winner.
  
  Dravid's contribution is much much more than what it actually seems. Sachin maadhiri aaganumnu aspire panradhu youngsters-ku kashtam (because of his talent) but Dravid is a fine example of work ethic, maximizing your talent and dedication to the team's cause.

  He did Feddy. He said many times that Sehwag's fast scoring opens up avenues for us to win tests.
  http://cricket.expressindia.com/old/...ntent_id=81324
  
  Another incident is Chappell almost forcing Ganguly to open in a test match and Dravid (captain at that time) took the responsibility upon himself and came out to open with Sehwag so that Ganguly can play in his usual position in the middle order.

  - dravid pOtta arivu jeevi ellAm...

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 10:33 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  To put in perspective of Seniors:
  
  First of all Kolkatta 2001 was the Catalyst. I mean thanks to Laxman and Dravid for slapping a giant in his face and bringing him on to his heels. That was the trigger needed. That was what has taken this team to Number one today. Belief in itself. Our strength has always been batting. And thanks to Dravid and Laxman consolidating us in middle order we drew a series in England in 02 and drew a series in Australia at 04. Post 2004-05 our bowling also started to improve a little bit. Until then Kumble was a lone warrior. I never considered the likes of even Srinath as a strike bowler and thanks to guys like Zaheer and irfan pathan we won series in Pakistan and in the Windies. Zaheer was the MOS in England.
  
  The last 2-3 years have been stupendous for India. Thanks to Shewag's Monstrous triple and double hundreds and Sachin's renaissance. Gambhir's contribution is also note-worthy. His 138 after batting 643 minutes deserves praise. Dravid and Laxman were always instrumental in Killing Australia. Be it Kolkatta 2001, Adelaide 2003, Perth 2008 (Ist innings 93 along with Tendulkar's wrongly adjudjed lbw for 71 and second innings of laxman). Even in Mohali we needed Laxman. Zaheer and Ishanth deserve special praise for the 2-0 win over Australia in 2008. I consider that series win a better one than this year's because Australia fielded a better team then. If you ask me i would say Zaheer was the only strike bowler India ever produced in terms of effectiveness. Ishanth should be carefully nursed. He has potential but only time can answer.
  
  To be continued:

  
  

• From: Sourav on 21st October 2010 10:50 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Feddy, it seems sachin will not play in Nz ODI series too...
  
  Top players likely to skip ODI series against Kiwis
  

  Some of India's top cricketers are likely to miss the ODI series against New Zealand next month with the Cricket Board planning to send them to South Africa to prepare for the Test series there. India has never won a Test series in South Africa yet and the BCCI is keen to send the senior cricketers
  well before the start of the rubber to get fully acclimatised to the conditions.
  
  "We are planning to send the key Test players to South Africa early to prepare for the series. The conditions in South Africa are quite different and we want to give our players enough time to come to terms with the conditions" a BCCI source said.
  
  New Zealand are scheduled to play three Tests and five one-dayers in India from November 4 to December 10. But with the BCCI drawing up this plan, many of the top players may skip the ODIs.
  
  Batting icon Sachin Tendulkar, captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, Virender Sehwag, Gautam Gambhir, Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan Singh are likely to be in the batch which will leave for South Africa early.
  
  India are scheduled to play three Tests, five one-day internationals and a Twenty20 match during the tour of South Africa beginning December 16.

  http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-F...e1-616063.aspx

  
  

• From: Thirumaran on 21st October 2010 10:55 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  AF ..nice one .. ok me sleep time

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 10:58 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Af, nice. Continue...

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 10:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  
  What happened Surprising because you could stay away from action when Sachin is in form of his life.

  Sachin adichaa pOdhum, team thOtha kooda OK katchi-la irukkEn ippO, actually after the 07 wEld cup pretty much. I could not post/watch during the test series because I did not have internet at home. Avlodhaan

  
  

• From: Dhanya on 21st October 2010 11:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Okay... I am genuinely curious. What role does a captain play in a team? If you say things like "batsmen nalla perform panradhu avar form poruthu, bowler nalla bowl panradhum depends on form, ditto for fielder", what on earth does a captain really do? Why do we even need one? No, seriously!
  
  I haven't been watching cricket in the recent years but was huge fan in the late 90s. I cannot describe the tangibility of a captain's effort as it's pretty evident from what I've asked above. But I do believe great cricketing minds would have an idea. Say, someone like Sachin. It's common knowledge that it was indeed Sachin who suggested Dhoni for the role of a captain. What do you think he saw in him? "Indha paiyyan cool-a irukaan pa, ivan dhaan captain-a iruka seri" or was it because he was fielding closer to Dhoni most of the time and so happened to be the only one he could on field? If being a captain is no big deal, why didn't he suggest someone like Sehwag or Yuvraj? Why specifically Dhoni? Surely you people don't question Sachin awesome cricketing brain? I really want to know what Sachin saw in Dhoni that made him suggest him over the rest. I would trust Sachin over anyone else here any day.
  
  And saying Sachin, Dravid, Laxman should retire just to prove a point is arguing against the points you guys are making. Those guys are great because they put the team above themselves. They have never played for personal glory and they never will. To say they should quit for this pathetic reason is absolutely trying destroy their legacy and downright insulting to them.

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 11:01 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  
  What happened Surprising because you could stay away from action when Sachin is in form of his life.

  Sachin adichaa pOdhum, team thOtha kooda OK katchi-la irukkEn ippO, actually after the 07 wEld cup pretty much. I could not post/watch during the test series because I did not have internet at home. Avlodhaan

  Oh ok Just got curious as you haven't been active in this section as earlier.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 11:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  One thing i understand Plum, AF, PB. You guys are all posting under the assumption that we are saying that only Dhoni is responsible for all the success and stuff. Even hardcore supporters like Maddy and TV have denied that.

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 11:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhanya

  
  I haven't been watching cricket in the recent years but was huge fan in the late 90s. I cannot describe the tangibility of a captain's effort as it's pretty evident from what I've asked above. But I do believe great cricketing minds would have an idea. Say, someone like Sachin. It's common knowledge that it was indeed Sachin who suggested Dhoni for the role of a captain. What do you think he saw in him? "Indha paiyyan cool-a irukaan pa, ivan dhaan captain-a iruka seri" or was it because he was fielding closer to Dhoni most of the time and so happened to be the only one he could on field? If being a captain is no big deal, why didn't he suggest someone like Sehwag or Yuvraj? Why specifically Dhoni? Surely you people don't question Sachin awesome cricketing brain? I really want to know what Sachin saw in Dhoni that made him suggest him over the rest. I would trust Sachin over anyone else here any day.

  You have the answer in there. The awesome brain of SRT could not make him even half as successful as Dhoni as a captain. Look at the team Sachin had and look at the one Dhoni has now.
  
  A captain's job IMO, is to select the XI , set field placements and make bowling changes, batting order changes among other things. And he does take inputs from vice captains and senior players, so you really can't say what exactly is his role.

  
  

• From: Plum on 21st October 2010 11:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  No ram.0you are wrong about our argument

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 11:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  No ram.0you are wrong about our argument

  Then what is it that you are trying to say.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 11:19 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  From where BCCI and Captain Dhoni can take this team forward:
  
  I sincerely wish/hope Dravid/Sach/Laxman play for atleast next 2 years. Laxman will be 36 at the end of the year. Tendulkar will play atleast 2 years seeing what he has done so far. Dravid should return to his groove. I mean honsetly Dravid you are capable of greater things. In the meanwhile BCCI should start grooming Youngsters more. Pujara, Vijay and Raina show great promise in the Test Arena. I would say BCCI should concentrate on these guys to make them fulfill their potential. Its absolutely impossible to replace VVS/RSD and SRT but one can definitely minimize their differences. By differences I mean that India shouldn't be missing the services of the Senior Trio very badly. I mean it is not just talent wrt seniors it is more about the temperament. I want these from the youngsters more. Among temperament I am already seeing good signs from these kids.
  
  Kohli has been good in ODI's. I just checked his record yesterday and it is impressive. 3(??) 100'S, EIGHT 50'S and a 40+ average. Good start, kiddo. You should do even well. Rohit sharma has been a wasted talent. No arguments there. Now onto bowling Zaheer once said that his county stint in 2006/07 made him re-invent as a bowler. We need more Zaheer's at present. I had great hopes on Ishanth when he bursted on scene in Australia 2007/08. But I don't know how he lost in between. BCCI should do something about this.
  
  Spinner wise once our country was beaming with spinning talent and now we are in dearth of that too. I mean where we are now from the days of prasanna,chandrasekar, kumble and now what we have is Bhajji. I am really worried in that aspect.
  
  Captain Dhoni is the central figure among all this. He is 29 and he should be the captain for the team atleast till 2015. He has my vote compared to slapper Bhajji, Ramp walk model yuvi and temperamental talkative boys viru and gambhir and even Zaheer. He has a cool head and it is in his place.Captaining three sides is indeed a daunting task and I am willing to cut him a lot of slack for that. But he should improve his batting in the Test arena. I really do not want him to share the same fate as Ponting is undergoing right now when the team goes through a transformation phase. His improved batting can help the team a lot in the future when the seniors are gone. Learn from Ponting's mistakes and better luck for the future. I sincerely want you to win the world cup in 2015 also. I was mighty happy the other day when you said we wanted to win WC in 2011 and present it to Sachin.
  
  P.S: I was shocked that day to see grey hair on his head the other day. I mean I can see he is going through a lot of stress. BCCI don't kill your golden goose by overplaying it.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 11:21 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  There was a post earlier in this thread saying that youngsters show more aggression. Thats where it all started i believe.
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  No ram.0you are wrong about our argument

  Then what is it that you are trying to say.

  
  

• From: Dhanya on 21st October 2010 11:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  The awesome brain of SRT could not make him even half as successful as Dhoni as a captain. Look at the team Sachin had and look at the one Dhoni has now.

  Okay! I'll grant you that. It was the time when a Sachin wicket meant India lost the match. Sachin was unfairly burdened and in that, Dhoni is truly blessed. Yet, I still believe there has to some specific reason Sachin picked Dhoni over the rest. There has to be a defining quality for a leader, dontcha think?
  
  And I am not deliberately picking on an argument. As I said, I am genuinely intrigued.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 11:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Feddy,
  As far as Sachin is concerned, i think he should keep playing as long as he is enjoying and physically fit. He should not give in to things like age, giving chance to youngsters etc.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 11:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I feel it is because of this T20 and i think there is over-aggression & taking out the charm of the game. Plum had earlier said that 50 over format should scrapped. I feel T20 should be scrapped. What do you think?
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  There was a post earlier in this thread saying that youngsters show more aggression. Thats where it all started i believe.
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  No ram.0you are wrong about our argument

  Then what is it that you are trying to say.

  
  

• From: Nerd on 21st October 2010 11:29 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dhanya

  Yet, I still believe there has to some specific reason Sachin picked Dhoni over the rest. There has to be a defining quality for a leader, dontcha think?
  
  And I am not deliberately picking on an argument. As I said, I am genuinely intrigued.

  I think someone else (P_B I think?) already posted the reason here. That Dhoni was very observant behind the stumps and was giving a lot of useful suggestions or something to that effect. Can't remember now and I am way too lazy to search for that post. Another reason can be (I am making this up), Yuvi/Viru/Zaheer have/had attitude problems and Dhoni was next in the pipeline.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 21st October 2010 11:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I don't want any format to be scrapped, . Proper scheduling and reduction of Overplaying certain formats is what needed now. BCCI has done a good job in juggling between Tests/ODI's this year and it is commendable .
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I feel it is because of this T20 and i think there is over-aggression & taking out the charm of the game. Plum had earlier said that 50 over format should scrapped. I feel T20 should be scrapped. What do you think?
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  There was a post earlier in this thread saying that youngsters show more aggression. Thats where it all started i believe.
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Plum

  No ram.0you are wrong about our argument

  Then what is it that you are trying to say.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 11:32 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Also, when you say aggression, are you talking about aggression with the bat? if that is the case, the seniors are miles ahead. Aggression is not just about hitting 6s and 4s mindlessly.
  
  If you are talking about things like fielding & running between the wickets, the current lot are much better. Ganguly & Laxman were crappy fielders.

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 21st October 2010 11:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  PR,
  
  Could you pls move the last 10-15 pages into a separate thread. I wanted to open a thread on Indian captains, but now, these discussions can be continued in its own thread

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 21st October 2010 11:36 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Who did Sachin have in the team?
  Sujith Somasundaram, Devaang Gandhi, Sada Ramesh, KappalOttiya oriyan, Saaba Karim, Sunil Joshi, back-stabbers and match-fixers Azhar and Jadeja (I read an article when Sachin got out in an ODI, he had some specific instructions for the next, the Match Fixer. He threw the wicket away and the team lost. Sachin was furious and that was the starting point for him to come to a decision to relinquish captaincy).
  
  Kumble was effective only in India. Srinath and Prasad missed many wickets due to poor fielding. indha kaNRaavi ellaam paarthudhaanE, match fixing saga 2000 la mudinjappuram the Big 3 + VVS + Kumble formed the core group and started the revival!
  
  Recently Srinath told in an interview that the problem with Sachin as a captain is he was expecting everyone to excel. nallaa aadaNumnu edhir paarththaa adhu thappaa?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 21st October 2010 11:39 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I don't think Sachin can be a bad captain. Unfortunately, his team couldn't show better results which made his captaincy look bad.

  
  

• From: Kalyasi on 21st October 2010 11:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I kept saying all time, Sachin has the best cricketing brain in the planet. Period...

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 12:03 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Kalyasi

  I kept saying all time, Sachin has the best cricketing brain in the planet. Period...

  Kindly ask Dhoni to step down as test captain Let Sachin take over.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 12:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kindly ask Sehwag, SRT, RD, VVS, Zaheer to retire and Let Dhoni start winning Tests from tomorrow

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 12:14 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 22nd October 2010 12:15 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  PR,
  
  Could you pls move the last 10-15 pages into a separate thread. I wanted to open a thread on Indian captains, but now, these discussions can be continued in its own thread

  enna master, modha modhalaa oru thread open pannirukken. Century adikkalaamnu paathaa, adi madilaye kai vaikkareengale

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 12:16 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sari marupadiyum first-la irundhu sandai podalaam :P

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 12:17 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I start - Sujith Somasundaram is better Batsman than Sachin and Dravid.
  
  All come one and lets us push this thread to 100 pages!

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 12:17 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  PR,
  
  Could you pls move the last 10-15 pages into a separate thread. I wanted to open a thread on Indian captains, but now, these discussions can be continued in its own thread

  enna master, modha modhalaa oru thread open pannirukken. Century adikkalaamnu paathaa, adi madilaye kai vaikkareengale

  yes.. intha thread ah appadiyae vitrunga.. Indian captains nu oru thread aarambichi, marupadiyum modhalairunthu thodanguvom..
  
  

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 12:19 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Sari marupadiyum first-la irundhu sandai podalaam :P

  Master, what about the argument that we discussed long back?

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 22nd October 2010 12:20 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Sari marupadiyum first-la irundhu sandai podalaam :P

  Master, what about the argument that we discussed long back?

  edhu indha "Pengalin koondhalukku iyarkaiyileye manam undaa illaiyaa"-va?

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 12:21 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Sari marupadiyum first-la irundhu sandai podalaam :P

  Master, what about the argument that we discussed long back?

  G vs D?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 12:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Sari marupadiyum first-la irundhu sandai podalaam :P

  Master, what about the argument that we discussed long back?

  G vs D?

  vera enna

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 12:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Sari marupadiyum first-la irundhu sandai podalaam :P

  Master, what about the argument that we discussed long back?

  G vs D?

  G

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 12:23 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Adhaidhan Indian captains-nu motthama aarambikkalam-nu pakkaren.

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 06:47 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Mudiyala 20 pageskappuram adfE kELvi.
  
  It all started because oru kappi win-ai vechu indha team maadhiri fighting spirit irundhdhe illainu sonnadhula thodangina vivaadham idhu. Adhu epdi sollalaam? Pazham thinnum peranukke ivlo perumaina, maram nattu thanni oothi vaLarthavangaLukku..?
  Don't say "oh we accepted their contribution" because the moment you say "unprecedented aggression, fighting spirit", you have insulted them after benefitting from precisely their fighting spirit. This is double indemnity - not acknowledging their role, and on top of it, taking credit for their efforts and ulta chor kotwal ko DANtE mAdhiri avangaLaiyE blame paNdradhu!

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 08:19 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Thank god! MSD won the 'Inaugral' T20 WC. Illainna adhuvum seniors nattu vachu fertilizer pottaanga, Dhoni saaptaarnu solluvaanga. Sigh!

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 08:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Thanks to Dhanya who made a very valid point on Sachin recommending MSD ahead of others.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 08:33 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  AB turn pages, naangLum munnaadiyE sollirukkOm!
  BTW, let me try and summarize the arguments:
  Seniors contribution in making this team no. 1 is much higher than anybody else - agreed unanimously
  Dhoni is the best captain available now - agreed by many
  Comparing present team's so-called mental strength and spirit to seniors and calling this team as better - 50 50 votes
  this team cud not have achieved no. 1 without Dhoni - 50 50 votes
  Digressions - by all
  Pick and choose the relevant ones and proceed.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 09:31 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Seniors contribution in making this team no. 1 is much higher than anybody else - agreed unanimously

  agree - but on condition that sachin, lax should be considered for "current team" as well.....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Dhoni is the best captain available now - agreed by many

  available ellam unga coinage - he is the best in the world and slowly moving towards best ever unless his grey hair and stress have other plans....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Comparing present team's so-called mental strength and spirit to seniors and calling this team as better - 50 50 votes

  nobody said it was a better team - they just said this team has more spirit and free flowing, even while chasing 289, they didnt look one moment uncomfortable whereas azhar, ganguly teams would have folded meekly.....
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  this team cud not have achieved no. 1 without Dhoni - 50 50 votes

  50% votesa hmmm.....nerd, plum, P_B, TM, u, feddy have said this........me, rama, ajay, hamid, dhakshan, dhanya, LM, benny, directhit, kalyasi have disagreed == 6 to 10.....62.5% in dhoni's favor
  
  btw, thanks sathya for summarising - it shows how our arguements have been completely misinterpreted and gross assumptions have been taken.......

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 09:34 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Adhaidhan Indian captains-nu motthama aarambikkalam-nu pakkaren.

  yes, please - best indian captain ever with poll......sealing some facts is long due

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 09:35 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  and sachin fans like LM, Ram, Benny - it will go a long way in amking sports section a healthy place

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 09:37 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Comparing present team's so-called mental strength and spirit to seniors and calling this team as better - 50 50 votes

  nobody said it was a better team - they just said this team has more spirit and free flowing, even while chasing 289, they didnt look one moment uncomfortable whereas azhar, ganguly teams would have folded meekly.....

  even during the 2nd test 5th day, many were amazed by the way Vijay/Pujara scored those runs on the 5th day. Its the whole environment in the team dressing room now, THE belief that they can win.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 09:52 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy:
  1. Regarding the usgae of the word available, clarification is - quite a few have been touted as captaincy material when RD stepped down in 2007 - Yuvraj and Sehwag were considered. But the board found Dhoni suitable and better. Hence, made him captain. thats what i wanted to convey - best availabe when he took over.
  2. Regarding this team have better mental strength - we folded meekly in asia cup final in 08, tri series in sL, lost in zim tri-series. the results are not overwhelming to come to a conclusion. Also, are u saying that teams under Azhar and Ganguly never performed under pressure while chasing? Independence cup 98, sharjah finals, lords 02 are examples that come to my mind immediately.
  3. Yesterday Plum gave an example and quoted how the contributions of seniors have been undermined stating that present team is better in terms of fighting spirit. Turn back pages pls.

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 09:59 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  marubadiyum mothallerunthaaa???

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 10:01 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Comparing present team's so-called mental strength and spirit to seniors and calling this team as better - 50 50 votes

  nobody said it was a better team - they just said this team has more spirit and free flowing, even while chasing 289, they didnt look one moment uncomfortable whereas azhar, ganguly teams would have folded meekly.....

  even during the 2nd test 5th day, many were amazed by the way Vijay/Pujara scored those runs on the 5th day. Its the whole environment in the team dressing room now, THE belief that they can win.

  I disagree on this. Yesterday's chase made easier was not because of team environment or such. Chasing has never been easier before. This can be attributed to T20, which changed the approach to batting drastically. Quick singles, unconventional shots, powerplays and what not. If we have wickets in hand, even 150 in 20 overs is achievable.
  
  And I would say Indian team is very good in chasing even from early days. Did everyone forget 17 consecutive wins by chasing under Dravid's captaincy?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:01 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  marubadiyum mothallerunthaaa???

  dont worry, i'm out of it

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:02 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy:
  1. Regarding the usgae of the word available, clarification is - quite a few have been touted as captaincy material when RD stepped down in 2007 - Yuvraj and Sehwag were considered. But the board found Dhoni suitable and better. Hence, made him captain. thats what i wanted to convey - best availabe when he took over.
  2. Regarding this team have better mental strength - we folded meekly in asia cup final in 08, tri series in sL, lost in zim tri-series. the results are not overwhelming to come to a conclusion. Also, are u saying that teams under Azhar and Ganguly never performed under pressure while chasing? Independence cup 98, sharjah finals, lords 02 are examples that come to my mind immediately.
  3. Yesterday Plum gave an example and quoted how the contributions of seniors have been undermined stating that present team is better in terms of fighting spirit. Turn back pages pls.

  and Dhoni winning 62.5% votes in favor of him - any replies u have?

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 10:03 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy:
  2. Regarding this team have better mental strength - we folded meekly in asia cup final in 08, tri series in sL, lost in zim tri-series. the results are not overwhelming to come to a conclusion. Also, are u saying that teams under Azhar and Ganguly never performed under pressure while chasing? Independence cup 98, sharjah finals, lords 02 are examples that come to my mind immediately.

  immediately illa.. neenga evlo yosichalum mothame avlo than... Sharjah finals ellam individual brilliance... just think of the tri series in Australia... 1999-2000'la ore oru match than jeichom... 2003-2004 'la aus kooda ore oru match than.. finals thothachu.. 2008la - first 2 finals win panni cup vaanginom..
  
  as far as ODI's are concerned, the current team (OR dhoni's team) is way ahead of the so-called senior's team even if you consider the flat pitches / bowling attack of the opposition / overseas...

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 10:04 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sathya, You forgot the two tonty 20 world cups where we couldn't manage a single super6 win. Free flowing attitude was seen during the spectacular chase of 350 in hyderabad last year.

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 10:05 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  and Dhoni winning 62.5% votes in favor of him - any replies u have?

  Come on Maddy, this is not a poll and the sample is too small.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:05 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  as far as ODI's are concerned, the current team (OR dhoni's team) is way ahead of the so-called senior's team even if you consider the flat pitches / bowling attack of the opposition / overseas...

  another supporter

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  marubadiyum mothallerunthaaa???

  dont worry, i'm out of it

  really?
  
  enakku vela illaye.. ippa naan enna seyya?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:07 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  and Dhoni winning 62.5% votes in favor of him - any replies u have?

  Come on Maddy, this is not a poll and the sample is too small.

  ok master, enna solreenga, i should accept this team can achieve without dhoni as well and dhoni has made no difference?? not even over my dead body :P

  
  

• From: villan007 on 22nd October 2010 10:08 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Also, are u saying that teams under Azhar and Ganguly never performed under pressure while chasing? Independence cup 98, sharjah finals, lords 02 are examples that come to my mind immediately.

  "adhu pOna vaaram" kadhai than

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:08 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:08 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  marubadiyum mothallerunthaaa???

  dont worry, i'm out of it

  really?
  
  enakku vela illaye.. ippa naan enna seyya?

  neenga kantinee pannunga.......

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  One Question - Whom are you referring to seniors? Sachin, Dravid, ganguly thavira vera yaara defend panreenga neengallaam?

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 10:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy,
  
  Where did I ask you to accept anything other than what you believe? Trying to close the argument with poll percentages is what I'm against of.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 22nd October 2010 10:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy:
  2. Regarding this team have better mental strength - we folded meekly in asia cup final in 08, tri series in sL, lost in zim tri-series. the results are not overwhelming to come to a conclusion. Also, are u saying that teams under Azhar and Ganguly never performed under pressure while chasing? Independence cup 98, sharjah finals, lords 02 are examples that come to my mind immediately.

  immediately illa.. neenga evlo yosichalum mothame avlo than... Sharjah finals ellam individual brilliance... just think of the tri series in Australia... 1999-2000'la ore oru match than jeichom... 2003-2004 'la aus kooda ore oru match than.. finals thothachu.. 2008la - first 2 finals win panni cup vaanginom..
  
  as far as ODI's are concerned, the current team (OR dhoni's team) is way ahead of the so-called senior's team even if you consider the flat pitches / bowling attack of the opposition / overseas...

  2008 finals-la individual brilliance (Sachin) illainna kaanaama poyiruppom (in those matches).

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:10 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  neenga vera - nerd, feddy, plum+P_B have clearly argued that Dhoni makes no difference to this side

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  neenga vera - nerd, feddy, plum+P_B, sathya have clearly argued that Dhoni makes no difference to this side

  I think I havent missed any post from yesterday.. Except Plum none said like tht.. all accept Dhoni;s contribution is there.. but seniors' is more in Tests.. (which is fine with me).

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Trying to close the argument with poll percentages is what I'm against of.

  aama naa sollitta appadiye close aaidum arguement
  
  even if we win world cup, people would argue Ajit wadekar has more part in that than Dhoni - i just reacted to the claim that hub is divided equally on the point - its not....its overwhelmingly in favor of Dhoni

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 10:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  RR, considering Sachin playing in both eras, if u take out his performance in Sharjah, u need to take out his performance in the 2 finals Vs Aus in 08, SL tri series finals also. Without his contribution this team won Asia cup this year (I am talking abt so-called pressure matches - tournament finals).
  Similarly without his contribution the previous team won lords 02. Aaga motham ellaam oNNudhaan!
  
  Maddy regarding %, I shud have used divided opinion instead of assigning numbers.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:13 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  neenga vera - nerd, feddy, plum+P_B, sathya have clearly argued that Dhoni makes no difference to this side

  I think I havent missed any post from yesterday.. Except Plum none said like tht.. all accept Dhoni;s contribution is there.. but seniors' is more in Tests.. (which is fine with me).

  seri appadiye vechhikonga

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 10:14 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy:
  2. Regarding this team have better mental strength - we folded meekly in asia cup final in 08, tri series in sL, lost in zim tri-series. the results are not overwhelming to come to a conclusion. Also, are u saying that teams under Azhar and Ganguly never performed under pressure while chasing? Independence cup 98, sharjah finals, lords 02 are examples that come to my mind immediately.

  immediately illa.. neenga evlo yosichalum mothame avlo than... Sharjah finals ellam individual brilliance... just think of the tri series in Australia... 1999-2000'la ore oru match than jeichom... 2003-2004 'la aus kooda ore oru match than.. finals thothachu.. 2008la - first 2 finals win panni cup vaanginom..
  
  as far as ODI's are concerned, the current team (OR dhoni's team) is way ahead of the so-called senior's team even if you consider the flat pitches / bowling attack of the opposition / overseas...

  2008 finals-la individual brilliance (Sachin) illainna kaanaama poyiruppom (in those matches).

  thats right P_B... but they still managed to win more matches in the league than the senior's team... now we are playing more as a team.. sachin, sehwag illainnalum jeikka mudiyuthu.. munnellam appadi illa.. oru mukkiyamaana player illannalum rombo mukkunom....

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 10:15 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  neenga vera - nerd, feddy, plum+P_B, sathya have clearly argued that Dhoni makes no difference to this side

  Show my post where I said Dhoni had done nothing / has no part in this team's performance. Else, get back ur statement!

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:15 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy. %-a niinga konjam maathi solli irukkalam.. 62.5% doesnt sound big. but only 37.5% in favour of seniors.. this would have helped the thread a bit

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:16 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  neenga vera - nerd, feddy, plum+P_B, sathya have clearly argued that Dhoni makes no difference to this side

  Show my post where I said Dhoni had done nothing / has no part in this team's performance. Else, get back ur statement!

  Ok.. increase the percentage then

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 10:16 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  (In tests atleast)
  We have said that we do not understand how dhonis efforts in bringing the team to no 1 status is measured. We never said no and at the same time Yes. Other than that in my post yesterday I have tried to include every great bowling/batting performance from the test team in the last 3 years right from ishanth to gambhir.
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  neenga vera - nerd, feddy, plum+P_B, sathya have clearly argued that Dhoni makes no difference to this side

  I think I havent missed any post from yesterday.. Except Plum none said like tht.. all accept Dhoni;s contribution is there.. but seniors' is more in Tests.. (which is fine with me).

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:18 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I think our ODI team is still crap. I don't have much hopes for the WC.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 10:19 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hamid, nesst kosteen! Where did I attribute certain % to Dhoni's contribution? I just mentioned he is also a part of this success story.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:21 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Maddy,, LM never said that.. and actually almost none said that

  neenga vera - nerd, feddy, plum+P_B have clearly argued that Dhoni makes no difference to this side

  Show my post where I said Dhoni had done nothing / has no part in this team's performance. Else, get back ur statement!

  simple- u tell me how u made 50% of votes in favor of "dhoni doesent make a difference" - that would explain ur stand

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:21 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Hamid, nesst kosteen! Where did I attribute certain % to Dhoni's contribution? I just mentioned he is also a part of this success story.

  vetti velathaan.. irunthaalum atha vide betterana vela ippa illa
  
  So,
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  this team cud not have achieved no. 1 without Dhoni - 50 50 votes

  50% votesa hmmm.....nerd, plum, P_B, TM, u, feddy have said this........me, rama, ajay, hamid, dhakshan, dhanya, LM, benny, directhit, kalyasi have disagreed == 6 to 10.....62.5% in dhoni's favor

  the % is not towards the contribution.. itz about the number of people who accept/reject Dhoni's contribution in India achieveing No.1 Status..
  
  your 50-50 is completely biased

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  (In tests atleast)
  We have said that we do not understand how dhonis efforts in bringing the team to no 1 status is measured. We never said no and at the same time Yes. Other than that in my post yesterday I have tried to include every great bowling/batting performance from the test team in the last 3 years right from ishanth to gambhir.

  Hamid, there you go - i said no

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 10:23 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I think our ODI team is still crap. I don't have much hopes for the WC.

  That's mainly because of the bowling attack. What worries me is the final 11 that is going to play in WC is still not settled. And we have just 6 more matches in India before WC

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 10:26 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  eh, Nice try maddy.
  
  Dhonis contribution in test team is absolutely minimal compared to what others have done. If we go by your logic you should be ready to take the blame when the seniors walk away and if the team starts to perform bad.
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  (In tests atleast)
  We have said that we do not understand how dhonis efforts in bringing the team to no 1 status is measured. We never said no and at the same time Yes. Other than that in my post yesterday I have tried to include every great bowling/batting performance from the test team in the last 3 years right from ishanth to gambhir.

  Hamid, there you go - i said no

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 10:26 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy, Hamid, read my previous posts - I mentioned that I shud have used the word divided, instead of 50-50.
  Maddy, now get back ur statement that I said Dhoni had made no contributions to this team's success

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 10:29 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  100 bucks on Australia if our bowling doesn't improve. In fact some times i think Tendulkar may end up with 100 hundreds and still no world cup. Team game illaya?? :P.
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  I think our ODI team is still crap. I don't have much hopes for the WC.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 10:29 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  to state the fact that Dhoni is the best captian, y suppress and depress Ganguly ?

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:29 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy, Hamid, read my previous posts - I mentioned that I shud have used the word divided, instead of 50-50.
  Maddy, now get back ur statement that I said Dhoni had made no contributions to this team's success

  sari..vidunga boos.. ithukellam kovapatta eppadi

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:30 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  to state the fact that Dhoni is the best captian, y suppress and depress Ganguly ?

  Dinsu.. Hubbukku puthusaa

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:30 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Feddy,
  One question. Who do you think is the best in leading the test team with or without the seniors? Illa captain-ey venaam-ngreengla?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:30 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy, now get back ur statement that I said Dhoni had made no contributions to this team's success

  im more than happy if u really think Dhoni made some contribution.....

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:31 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Feddy,
  One question. Who do you think is the best in leading the test team with or without the seniors? Illa captain-ey venaam-ngreengla?

  athaan nethu indirect-a sila per sonnanga..

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:31 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Feddy,
  One question. Who do you think is the best in leading the test team with or without the seniors? Illa captain-ey venaam-ngreengla?

  athaan nethu indirect-a sila per sonnanga..

  ippo direct-a kaekren.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 10:33 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sehwag an alternative..

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:33 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  aana pathil indirectaa thaan varum
  
  Hope this brings a direct answer which will make P_B happy

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:34 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Sehwag an alternative..

  Plum wil be the first one to oppose it so there are chances

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:35 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  eh, Nice try maddy.
  
  Dhonis contribution in test team is absolutely minimal compared to what others have done. If we go by your logic you should be ready to take the blame when the seniors walk away and if the team starts to perform bad.

  i dont think u r going to credit Dhoni anyway - so i just tried....u think its a good try - thanks ......
  
  i never said - Dhoni only - u guys are assuming........im not even saying dhoni is the major contributor - im just saying "significant contributor"......obviously, in tests, laxman is the biggest contributor, followed by sachin, sehwag, dravid(with bat).......
  
  in ODIs - its sachin, yuvi, sehwag, gambhir, bhajji, dhoni
  
  in T20s - Dhoni, yuvi, raina, bhajji
  
  i hope its clear now

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 10:36 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Sehwag an alternative..

  Plum wil be the first one to oppose it so there are chances

  sehwag will be the first one to oppose it

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 10:36 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy, now get back ur statement that I said Dhoni had made no contributions to this team's success

  im more than happy if u really think Dhoni made some contribution.....

  I have always maintained that Dhoni is the best man to captain the team and DID contribute to the success

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:37 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Feddy,
  One question. Who do you think is the best in leading the test team with or without the seniors? Illa captain-ey venaam-ngreengla?

  chitti version1e podhum-nnu dhaan nethhu arguements vandhudhu

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:37 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Maddy, now get back ur statement that I said Dhoni had made no contributions to this team's success

  im more than happy if u really think Dhoni made some contribution.....

  I have always maintained that Dhoni is the best man to captain the team and DID contribute to the success

  maybe i got confused with ur 99 blows-1blows statement
  
  never mind, im editing ur name from that list

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:38 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  .obviously, in tests, laxman is the biggest contributor, followed by sachin, sehwag, dravid(with bat).......
  

  Maddy,
  What crap is all this?

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 10:39 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  What is this question. Nethae oru peria essay eludhinen. Yaarume padikaliya. I have said dhoni gets my vote ahead of bajji, yuvi, shewag gambhir and zaheer.
  
  Captain-ae venaamnu solringala??
  
  Classic example in hand Australian test/odi team till 2007 world cup. Andha madhiri teamkellam oru captain/coach ellam perukku irundha podhum. Strictly, IMNSHO, Why??. Because everybody did their job perfectly. Bedi once said buchanan was made popular by the oz team. In fact there are rumors that no one used to listen to buch. Ponting ellam guide senja avanunga nalla aadinaanga?? . common ram.
  
  This is where I Come to our test team, Atleast our batting doesnt need an iota of motivation and zaheer in bowling to a certain extent. Ishanth might need it but again there are coaches and other people doing that. Again IMO.
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Feddy,
  One question. Who do you think is the best in leading the test team with or without the seniors? Illa captain-ey venaam-ngreengla?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:40 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  .obviously, in tests, laxman is the biggest contributor, followed by sachin, sehwag, dravid(with bat).......
  

  Maddy,
  What crap is all this?

  yenpaa, laxman-kku enna korachhal

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 10:40 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy and others indha "our arguments have been misrepresented" dhaan enakku pidikkala. That is grossly false. No one has taken more pains to explan their stance better than me honestly. I say that without pride and prejudice. nAn thirumba thoirumba odi team comparisonla aaramichadhunnu solREn. VENumnE many are trying to represent it otherwise. From the beginning, I have been consistent. The test team didn't need Dhoni to achieve #1. VENumnE "nalla vELai T20 Wc win paNNAr illaina adhaiyum seniors-ku credit kuduthurppAnga" is a dhisai thiruppum argument because nobody said that. VENumnE illadhadhai invent paNNum muyaRchi adhu. Gross misrepresentation unga sidela dhAn nadakkudhu

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 10:41 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Agree with most of the points from others except that I feel that this team is yet to surpass the predecessors in terms of performance and fighting spirit. Its not their fault. 2 years is too short a time to judge. let me wait for couple of years befor concluding something.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:42 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  .obviously, in tests, laxman is the biggest contributor, followed by sachin, sehwag, dravid(with bat).......
  

  Maddy,
  What crap is all this?

  yenpaa, laxman-kku enna korachhal

  naa Laxman ku koraichal nu sollala... But Laxman is the biggest contributor with the bat-a Sachin follows him-a

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:42 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Classic example in hand Australian test/odi team till 2007 world cup.

  just bcos it happend to aussies, doesent mean it shuld happen to us, illaya??

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 10:44 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  Agree with most of the points from others except that I feel that this team is yet to surpass the predecessors in terms of performance and fighting spirit. Its not their fault. 2 years is too short a time to judge. let me wait for couple of years befor concluding something.

  Ithu test match'kku agreed... ODI'kku illa...othukkalainna ellam kottaium azhinga... modhallerndhu aarambippom...

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:46 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Maddy and others indha "our arguments have been misrepresented" dhaan enakku pidikkala. That is grossly false. No one has taken more pains to explan their stance better than me honestly. I say that without pride and prejudice. nAn thirumba thoirumba odi team comparisonla aaramichadhunnu solREn. VENumnE many are trying to represent it otherwise. From the beginning, I have been consistent. The test team didn't need Dhoni to achieve #1. VENumnE "nalla vELai T20 Wc win paNNAr illaina adhaiyum seniors-ku credit kuduthurppAnga" is a dhisai thiruppum argument because nobody said that. VENumnE illadhadhai invent paNNum muyaRchi adhu. Gross misrepresentation unga sidela dhAn nadakkudhu

  thats the problem statement...
  
  did we every say, dhoni is the "only contributor" - no.....infact i see this as a ploy from u to put dhoni fans on backfoot, defensive mode.......instead of celebrating, we are conceeding so much of ground.........but i wont let it happen

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 10:46 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  My point is we are almost there. Batting wise match to match against aussies, infact even over match in certain positions. Bowling is where we lack but even then our batsmen are doing great.
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Classic example in hand Australian test/odi team till 2007 world cup.

  just bcos it happend to aussies, doesent mean it shuld happen to us, illaya??

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:48 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  My point is we are almost there.

  lets see wat happens
  
  we are not supporting Dhoni without a reason, isnt it

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:48 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Maddy and others indha "our arguments have been misrepresented" dhaan enakku pidikkala. That is grossly false. No one has taken more pains to explan their stance better than me honestly. I say that without pride and prejudice. nAn thirumba thoirumba odi team comparisonla aaramichadhunnu solREn. VENumnE many are trying to represent it otherwise. From the beginning, I have been consistent. The test team didn't need Dhoni to achieve #1. VENumnE "nalla vELai T20 Wc win paNNAr illaina adhaiyum seniors-ku credit kuduthurppAnga" is a dhisai thiruppum argument because nobody said that. VENumnE illadhadhai invent paNNum muyaRchi adhu. Gross misrepresentation unga sidela dhAn nadakkudhu

  thats the problem statement...
  
  did we every say, dhoni is the "only contributor" - no.....infact i see this as a ploy from u to put dhoni fans on backfoot, defensive mode.......instead of celebrating, we are conceeding so much of ground.........but i wont let it happen

  Plum..ithellam too much.. yaaro engayoo oru post pottangannu solli solliyee 20 pakkathula paathi niinga post pannititinga..
  
  all problems started because of you saying Dhoni's contribution is not even immi alavu and then minimal. now you are going back to without dhoni we could have achieved.. maybe you dont want this to end

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 10:49 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Rough-a oru round-a paathadhula Seniors-a kora solra maadhri theriyidhu.
  
  In the absence of Sehwag, Sachin, Laxman, Zaheer - onnum kazhatti irruka mudiyaadhu idhu avunga avunga manasatchike nalla theriyum.
  
  Am talking about test team here
  
  *Dhoni was leading a good team where seniors minus dravid are in great form.
  
  * We all know opponents, especially Australia were not as good as before.
  
  * Australia reduced its point by losing to England and couldn gain much by defeating New Zealand in home. South Africa- Australia won and lose among each other and so they gain/lose points among themselves.
  
  * India after winning perth test i.e after Kumble's retirement did not have much overseas victories [NZ we won 1, draw 1] even at Lanka remember we faced innings defeat last year. Adding to this we used feeble Lanka again and again to climb up the ladder.
  
  Havind said that we all know who are all the main reasons even for these victories? Dhoni-ya reason? I would say its Kumble as a captain who changed the prospect of Indian test cricket deserves this piece of cake. I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  
  Oru match-la Pujara/Vijay adichadhuke ivvalo dialogues-a? Pujara got the shape due to his partner who stayed till the end, remember!

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 10:51 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  marubadiyum paaRRaa..
  
  We dont deny seniors' contribution... honestly accepted their contribution is huge in attaining No.1 status..

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:52 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  Wow... Vaanga Vaanga
  1) laxman better than Sachin.
  2) Sehwag should replace Dhoni as captain.
  
  Any more topics?

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 10:53 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  The silliest argument here is seniors nattufying and Dhoni saaptufying. Then honestly, it is ICC who shud be credited for granting Test and ODI team status to India.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 10:54 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 10:54 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sri,
  
  Pujara played well even b4 Sachin came to the crease.. Kidacha gapla ellam Sachin pugazh paaduna epdi? Inga enna topic odittu irukku?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 10:55 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  The silliest argument here is seniors nattufying and Dhoni saaptufying. Then honestly, it is ICC who shud be credited for granting Test and ODI team status to India.

  Athu seri, vittaa cricket kandu pidichavanukku credit panna solluveenga pola.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 10:55 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  1. I want more than that actually. Naan test/odi paathu valarndha balageenamana kootam. We should achieve more in Tests in the future.
  
  2. No, no adhayum naan(ga) sollala. In fact we said he needs a lot of rest and he is being overplayed.
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  My point is we are almost there.

  1. lets see wat happens
  
  2. we are not supporting Dhoni without a reason, isnt it

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 10:55 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Pujara played well even b4 Sachin came to the crease.. Kidacha gapla ellam Sachin pugazh paaduna epdi? Inga enna topic odittu irukku?

  Idha naan sollala Ajay, Pujara thaan sonnapla!

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 10:57 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  marubadiyum paaRRaa..
  
  We dont deny seniors' contribution... honestly accepted their contribution is huge in attaining No.1 status..

  Appo enna solla vareenga, senior contribution is because of Dhoni's captaincy-a? purilaye??

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 10:58 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  1. I want more than that actually. Naan test/odi paathu valarndha balageenamana kootam. We should achieve more in Tests in the future.
  
  2. No, no adhayum naan(ga) sollala. In fact we said he needs a lot of rest and he is being overplayed.
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  My point is we are almost there.

  1. lets see wat happens
  
  2. we are not supporting Dhoni without a reason, isnt it

  1. same here-infact rite from gavaskar reverse sweeping days
  
  2. thnx for the concern, i really see a lot of problems with Dhoni but this is certainly not the forum to discuss them

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 10:59 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Pujara played well even b4 Sachin came to the crease.. Kidacha gapla ellam Sachin pugazh paaduna epdi? Inga enna topic odittu irukku?

  Idha naan sollala Ajay, Pujara thaan sonnapla!

  I know that, bro.. j/k
  
  In fact, it was me who posted that Pujara interview in SRT thread.

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 10:59 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  

  orutha naalu varushama team captain'a irundhu Indian Cricket Historyleye best results koduthirukkan... ippadi asaltta avanai vida innoruthan nalla panniruppan sonna onnum pandrathukku illa...

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:00 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by hamid

  marubadiyum paaRRaa..
  
  We dont deny seniors' contribution... honestly accepted their contribution is huge in attaining No.1 status..

  Appo enna solla vareenga, senior contribution is because of Dhoni's captaincy-a? purilaye??

  vadivelu: appadi sollave illaye....
  
  seniors contribution is there + current team's efforts=success
  
  aamava illaya?

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:00 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  

  orutha naalu varushama team captain'a irundhu Indian Cricket Historyleye best results koduthirukkan... ippadi asaltta avanai vida innoruthan nalla panniruppan sonna onnum pandrathukku illa...

  RR,
  
  Neer namma aalayya...

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:01 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  

  orutha naalu varushama team captain'a irundhu Indian Cricket Historyleye best results koduthirukkan... ippadi asaltta avanai vida innoruthan nalla panniruppan sonna onnum pandrathukku illa...

  adhellam avaru pannadhillayaam - saurav ganguly, anil kumble, dravid dhaan pannangalaam....dhoni is just keeping wickets and lakshmi rai cha no.1 ranking-aam :P

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 11:02 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  

  orutha naalu varushama team captain'a irundhu Indian Cricket Historyleye best results koduthirukkan... ippadi asaltta avanai vida innoruthan nalla panniruppan sonna onnum pandrathukku illa...

  Namma test cricket pathi mattum thaan pesurom-nu nenaikiren. Ippo irrukura seniors form-ku yaar captain-a irrundhalum India nalla perform pannum-nu nenaikiren. Dhoni ODI/T20 pathi peragu pesuvom.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 11:02 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 11:02 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Enga poitinga, Naane thania pesara madhiri irukku .
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Maddy and others indha "our arguments have been misrepresented" dhaan enakku pidikkala. That is grossly false. No one has taken more pains to explan their stance better than me honestly. I say that without pride and prejudice. nAn thirumba thoirumba odi team comparisonla aaramichadhunnu solREn. VENumnE many are trying to represent it otherwise. From the beginning, I have been consistent. The test team didn't need Dhoni to achieve #1. VENumnE "nalla vELai T20 Wc win paNNAr illaina adhaiyum seniors-ku credit kuduthurppAnga" is a dhisai thiruppum argument because nobody said that. VENumnE illadhadhai invent paNNum muyaRchi adhu. Gross misrepresentation unga sidela dhAn nadakkudhu

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:03 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  rendu anda-va maarvadi kadaila vechhu dhaan solraaru :P
  
  pongappa - its so juvenile to state facts as simple as sun rises in east

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 11:03 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  seniors contribution is there + current team's efforts=success
  
  aamava illaya?

  
  Current team efforts neenga solradhu yaaellam?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:05 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  seniors contribution is there + current team's efforts=success
  
  aamava illaya?

  
  Current team efforts neenga solradhu yaaellam?

  illave illainnu solreengala - seri, plum, feddy side poi nillunga

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 11:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  VV - 2.50 nga, cheers!

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 22nd October 2010 11:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  
  Justify ur statement plz

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 11:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  neenga etha vachi illanu sollrenga? H Singh team la irunthum ungaluku yaen intha 'fighting' spirit mela santhegam

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  eh, Nice try maddy.
  
  Dhonis contribution in test team is absolutely minimal compared to what others have done. If we go by your logic you should be ready to take the blame when the seniors walk away and if the team starts to perform bad.

  AF, idhu eppadi, Dhoni the captain aa or Dhoni the batsman + WK + Captain um included a?!

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 11:06 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  rendu anda-va maarvadi kadaila vechhu dhaan solraaru :P
  
  pongappa - its so juvenile to state facts as simple as sun rises in east

  Maddy,
  
  I agree. Kohli after scoring the century, gave reaction like he was going to hit somebody. Intha maathiri yaarum appo pannathilla. Ganguly shirt-a kazhatti body kaatnathoda niruthikittaaru. Ithaan fighting spirit-a. Ok.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:08 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  Thambi,
  
  Mind games vilayaadum Aussie teamku 2-0 whitewash koduthadhu endha captainpa?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:08 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  rendu anda-va maarvadi kadaila vechhu dhaan solraaru :P
  
  pongappa - its so juvenile to state facts as simple as sun rises in east

  Maddy,
  
  I agree. Kohli after scoring the century, gave reaction like he was going to hit somebody. Intha maathiri yaarum appo pannathilla. Ganguly shirt-a kazhatti body kaatnathoda niruthikittaaru. Ithaan fighting spirit-a. Ok.

  ayyao

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 11:08 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  rendu anda-va maarvadi kadaila vechhu dhaan solraaru :P
  
  pongappa - its so juvenile to state facts as simple as sun rises in east

  Maddy,
  
  I agree. Kohli after scoring the century, gave reaction like he was going to hit somebody. Intha maathiri yaarum appo pannathilla. Ganguly shirt-a kazhatti body kaatnathoda niruthikittaaru. Ithaan fighting spirit-a. Ok.

  y pulling Ganguly here? avar sattaya kazhatunathu thaan periya thappa?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 11:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  Thambi,
  
  Mind games vilayaadum Aussie teamsku 2-0 whitewash koduthadhu endha captainpa?

  Hello,
  Are you talking about ODI or tests?
  
  Don't equate them.

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ottumothamaa oru kuroope vettiyaa irukkom

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  Thambi,
  
  Mind games vilayaadum Aussie teamku 2-0 whitewash koduthadhu endha captainpa?

  ada adhu, ajit wadekar lerndhu kapil dev-lerndhu anil kumble eduthha effort - dhoni ennathha kizhichharu - asin veettu soba set-a dhaan kizhichaaru

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:09 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  Thambi,
  
  Mind games vilayaadum Aussie teamsku 2-0 whitewash koduthadhu endha captainpa?

  Hello,
  Are you talking about ODI or tests?
  
  Don't equate them.

  Ok.. 24th eve unna sandhikkaren..

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 11:11 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  eh, Nice try maddy.
  
  Dhonis contribution in test team is absolutely minimal compared to what others have done. If we go by your logic you should be ready to take the blame when the seniors walk away and if the team starts to perform bad.

  AF, idhu eppadi, Dhoni the captain aa or Dhoni the batsman + WK + Captain um included a?!

  Idha dhayavu senju gyabaga paduthaadheenga, recent-a he is poor in both. I want him to gain back his old style!

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 11:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Maddy,
  
  I agree. Kohli after scoring the century, gave reaction like he was going to hit somebody. Intha maathiri yaarum appo pannathilla. Ganguly shirt-a kazhatti body kaatnathoda niruthikittaaru. Ithaan fighting spirit-a. Ok.

  

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:12 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  marubadiyum paaRRaa..
  
  We dont deny seniors' contribution... honestly accepted their contribution is huge in attaining No.1 status..

  Guys, if you are accusing me of not being honest in this debate(as Maddy has done), then I am out of here
  I repeat, I have been very open from the beginning and consistent. orE oru immi aLavu statement-ai vechukittu madakkaRInga.
  
  Ok, oru step back pOvOm.
  What is my claim?
  1. Youngsters are reaping the benefits of the seniors' ground work.
  How?
  
  Dressing room spirit, team spirit, royal stag spirit-ungaRingaLE. Wherefrom this spirit came? Did Dhoni bring it with him in Alavuddin's arbudha viLakku?
  
  Truth is Sachi, Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble and Laxman INHERITED a POISONOUS Dressing Room environment. They changed it to a positive environment. Dhoni INHERITED a HAPPY Dressing room with a cooperative spirit. He maintained it. But the claim from Maddy and co. always has been that Dhoni injected the cooperative spirit and team bonding and healthy environment. Only fans can agree to that. A neutral observer will see the immense spirit between the seniors which was the foundation and the building for this environment. puLi recaptured Dravid's careeer in this regard. That says it all. And rememberr, the 194* Dhoni fans tried to quote to divide Sachin and Dravid fans here, the very fact that Sachin and Dravid put that behind them and went relentless on their goals - adhu dA spirittu, adhu positive environment. It is no wonder that people who came after them learnt that spirit from them and continued it. Nobody can deny this. Instead, what Dhoni fans are claiming is that Dhoni invented this spirittu for Indian dressing room. From minute one, this is what I have been saying. I will not change my stand on this. nidhAnamA yOsichA you will also agree.
  2. Youngsters have never say die spirit lacking earlier, new India, globalisation, kothmallisation etc.
  
  nAn kEkkarEn engErundhu vandhudhu indha kingfhisher spirittu? Adelaide 2004, Headingley 2002, Calcutta 2001 idhellAm pArthu dhAnE vandhudhu? Sachin, DravidlAm "Jeethna hai aaj"-nu desparateA banner pidichu vAdi pORa sharjah immigrant fan moonji pArthu vaLarndha kUttam. adhai mAthi winning spirit inject paNnadhu periya vishayamA? avangaLOda "can-do"-vai pArthu vaLarndhu kathukitta chinna pasanga innikku adhai CONTINUE paNdradhu periya vishayamA?
  
  No contest in my opinion.
  
  3. Dhoni injected a spirit and energy into the team.
  Lie, bigger lie and propoganda.
  He inherited a dressing room that believed it can compete. Thanks to the seniors.
  
  4. ODis and T20s - obviously, there is no major recent contribution from seniors except Sachin. Even there, without Sachin, some of Dhoni's major ODI wins wouldnt have happened. But, Dhoni has been managing characters like Yuvi, Durby, Sreesanth etc there so I give him full credit - this is not something that Rahul or Anil could have done given their generation gap and nature. Remember Yuvraj said "Anil and Rahul used to advise us but we used to think ivangaLukenna theriyum" so yes, Dhoni deserves credit for shepherding this gang.
  5. But in tests, Dhoni continued a positive job by the seniors agreed but he didnt make a huge difference. avar illAmalum nadandhirukkum. It is a bitter pill to swallow but that is the truth.
  Please note(esp hamid, since you are the only one willing to give a listen from the opposite camp) that I am not saying that Dhoni should be removed or Dhoni is not the best option now. He is. Ofcourse, Yuvi or Durby would have screwed up if they were made captain. But is that a comparison? That is like saying Omakuchi Narasimhan couldnt have done Pithamagan Vikram role. What I am saying is a good environment was nurtured and kept for a good captain to take advantage of and Dhoni, like a good captain, did take advantage. Dhoni illAma vEra decent captain irundhAlum idhE dhAn nadandhirukum. andha mAdhiri yArumE avar generationla illaingaradhum uNmai dhAn. But it was just a walk-on part which needed an apt actor and that actor was Dhoni. yAru vENumnAlum andha role-Ai paNNi irukka mudiyAdhu adhE samayam andha role-ku majorA contribution to the current #1 status oNNum illai. yArO oruthar captainA irukka dhAnE vENum? adhula irukkarudhulA best was chosen.
  
  What people forget is there was a period when we managed without a coach - who called the shots then? Who managed the environment then? Everyone knows it was the 5 musketeers plus Dhoni/Sehwag to a small extent.
  6. Dhoni's real mettle as test captain is after the seniors retire. I am pretty sure he'll succeed there but that has to happen first.
  Do we give credit to Ponting for winning with McG, Warne (since I asked this DH pONdravargaL vENumnE "yes we did" apdimbAinga ) and Hayden?
  
  The narrative I violently disagree is " Dhoni came in and injected energy and spirit into a team that was screwed up in energy and spirit by Anil Kumble/Rahul Dravid". Yes, someone said it Hamid, and maintained it long after 15-20 pages.

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:13 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  eh, Nice try maddy.
  
  Dhonis contribution in test team is absolutely minimal compared to what others have done. If we go by your logic you should be ready to take the blame when the seniors walk away and if the team starts to perform bad.

  AF, idhu eppadi, Dhoni the captain aa or Dhoni the batsman + WK + Captain um included a?!

  Idha dhayavu senju gyabaga paduthaadheenga, recent-a he is poor in both. I want him to gain back his old style!

  SS, recentaana? his WK in 1st test wasnt upto mark, 2nd test he was good!! and even in the recent past i dont remember him missing much
  
  adhu sari vutta wicket keeper um vendaam, Dravid ae paathupparunu soluveenga pola

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 11:13 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Mostly dhoni the batsman + wk. As a batsman he is not there yet in my books as a good batsman. WK, fine he is the best we have. No doubts. My stance is mainly on these two criterias.
  
  As a captain what i dont understand is how he is responsible for the team's environment, spirit and other good things. We are not saying he didnt do nothing also. We are not very sure on the methods of measurementnnu vechukuvom.
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  eh, Nice try maddy.
  
  Dhonis contribution in test team is absolutely minimal compared to what others have done. If we go by your logic you should be ready to take the blame when the seniors walk away and if the team starts to perform bad.

  AF, idhu eppadi, Dhoni the captain aa or Dhoni the batsman + WK + Captain um included a?!

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 11:14 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ada.. ketta kelviya thavira matha ellam sonraangayya... ithu aavurathilla

  
  

• From: 19thmay on 22nd October 2010 11:15 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  Test-la thaane, adhu Clarke avara pannina comedy-la! Illaya Ajay?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:15 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by hamid

  marubadiyum paaRRaa..
  
  We dont deny seniors' contribution... honestly accepted their contribution is huge in attaining No.1 status..

  Guys, if you are accusing me of not being honest in this debate(as Maddy has done), then I am out of here

  Plum, indha madhiri "en sattaya maddy kizhichutttan" complaints eppa niruthha poreenga?? i showed tremendous respect for ur posts right from begnning - innamum if u think i dont accuse of being dishonest - onniyum panna mudiyadhu........u were being honest, when u wanted dhoni fans to step back and shut their mouths - idhulla enna dishonesty - i dont understand

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:16 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Sachin Tendulkar has praised the leadership skills of MS Dhoni, who has overseen a successful six months for India after taking over as captain in all three formats.”I’m extremely happy and delighted at the way Dhoni has conducted himself,” Tendulkar said. “He is a balanced guy, is always on his toes all the time. Before he was made the captain, standing in the slips I interacted with him, and [he] picked [up a] lot of things which clearly indicated that he has a sharp brain, his approach was pretty clear and not complicated.”
  
  Case closed...

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:17 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  Thambi,
  
  Mind games vilayaadum Aussie teamku 2-0 whitewash koduthadhu endha captainpa?

  ada adhu, ajit wadekar lerndhu kapil dev-lerndhu anil kumble eduthha effort - dhoni ennathha kizhichharu - asin veettu soba set-a dhaan kizhichaaru

  \
  
  So you want to take credit on Dhoni's behalf for the 2-0 Whitewash.
  QED. Hence proved. idhai thAn sollikitturukkOm

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:19 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Ajay,
  Neenga sollunga. Ethu vechu current lot have more fighting spirit nu sonneenga?

  Thambi,
  
  Mind games vilayaadum Aussie teamku 2-0 whitewash koduthadhu endha captainpa?

  ada adhu, ajit wadekar lerndhu kapil dev-lerndhu anil kumble eduthha effort - dhoni ennathha kizhichharu - asin veettu soba set-a dhaan kizhichaaru

  \
  
  So you want to take credit on Dhoni's behalf for the 2-0 Whitewash.
  QED. Hence proved. idhai thAn sollikitturukkOm

  so u dont want Dhoni to take any credit at all?? case nethhe closed.....judgement website-la released

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:20 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  So, that one stumping justifies the otherwise poor performance in the series
  
  mahAjanangaLE, nIngaLE sollunga yAru desparate-A defend paNNikitturukkAngannu.
  
  Dinesh karthik kUda thAN England-la brilliant stumping paNNApla. adhukkAga ippO chance kudukka mudiyumA?
  
  There is no inclination to even accept that Dhoni performed poorly in this series as batsman+WK appuram mathavangaLai mattum biased, agenda adhu idhunnu epdi dhairayamA solRAngannu theriyalai. idhu dhAn new age spiritA?

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:21 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum,
  
  Those who show results will be duly credited. This is common to all fields, not only cricket. 'Naan muyarchi pannen, maram natten'nu sollalaam. But pazham yaaru parikkaraangalo avangalukkuthaan madhippu..

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 11:21 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  aaha.. ithu mudiyaathu pola irukke..
  
  sari.. enough watching from sidelines.. me too join the part in 5-10 mins..
  
  ellarum(rendu sidelayum) vaangappa.. innaiku rendula onnu paarthudalaam..

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Mostly dhoni the batsman + wk. As a batsman he is not there yet in my books as a good batsman. WK, fine he is the best we have. No doubts. My stance is mainly on these two criterias.

  Feddy, agreed he is not the best batsman in the lineup. But for a player playing at #7 mostly his average is pretty good (50 plus) and with such a top heavy side as us, he rarely gets the chance to play. He did reasonably well against England scoring some 70 plus in almost saving the match (at the end rain helped him though :P). Most ppl seem to ignore his wk, the one which shows up glaringly only when he misses a couple of chances. He has been that good that we seem to complain on his wk only during this 1st test match v Aussies when he missed a couple of chances.
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  As a captain what i dont understand is how he is responsible for the team's environment, spirit and other good things. We are not saying he didnt do nothing also. We are not very sure on the methods of measurementnnu vechukuvom.

  I agree its not tangible. And yes also agree that for seniors like SRT/VVS/RD they dont need a motivation to perform. But for guys coming into the team and who have not cemented a place a captain is very important. Remember how Gambhir was persisted even though he wasnt doing well and he hit great form. Its times like these I feel Captaincy is required. Remember even Mark Taylor with such a talented team let Captaincy pressure hit his batting - MSD has done equally well in his personal form
  
  Also equally important is the confidence he gives his bowlers, he allows the bowlers to set their own fields - small thing yes, but not many captains b4 him did that.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Plum,
  
  Why shud I defend Dhoni? Illa naan defend panrengradhukkaga BCCI avaroda poor performanceai tolerate panna povudhaa? Edhachum pesanumnu pesadheenga, bro..

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 11:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  I think Sehwag will do much better job as a captain, IMO!
  

  

  orutha naalu varushama team captain'a irundhu Indian Cricket Historyleye best results koduthirukkan... ippadi asaltta avanai vida innoruthan nalla panniruppan sonna onnum pandrathukku illa...

  Namma test cricket pathi mattum thaan pesurom-nu nenaikiren. Ippo irrukura seniors form-ku yaar captain-a irrundhalum India nalla perform pannum-nu nenaikiren. Dhoni ODI/T20 pathi peragu pesuvom.

  neenga test match'kku mattum than sonnengannu theriyathu... for test matches, as Dhoni himself admitted when we achieved No.1 ranking that it is a process.. it CANNOT be done overnight... to attain this status, at least I will start from Kumble's captaincy...when he took over, there was a bad phase due to GC & Dravid was NOT at his best... he really changed that phase and NOT only winning matches abroad but even series... then Dhoni took over from Kumble (agree that it is a pretty decent team then).. from here on, most people here are alleged to say that Dhoni's contribution is not at all there as a captain... the main reason is, unlike Kumble (who won matches for India with his bowling) Dhoni did NOT contribute much with the bat AS HIS SENIORs (still, he has a decent batting record in tests coming at # 7 slot).. senior's ella matchum aadi mudichidraanga...
  
  but still, I don't think if anyone other than Dhoni would have given the same results... I believe if sehwag had been given the captaincy, his batting would have gone for a toss... he would NOT have got the test cricketer which will obviously reflect in the team result also..
  
  Dhoni, the batsman can be more consistent and quickly learn to play with the tail...

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 11:22 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  and before that a kind reqost..
  
  please try to post bullet points and be straight..as much as possible no essays please

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:23 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  There is no inclination to even accept that Dhoni performed poorly in this series as batsman+WK appuram mathavangaLai mattum biased, agenda adhu idhunnu epdi dhairayamA solRAngannu theriyalai. idhu dhAn new age spiritA?

  ennanga neenga ganguly-dravid koottu sadhi of declaring at sahcin';s 194* -e defend pannumbodhu, idhellam sinna visayam
  
  btw, its just sachin forgave rahul dravid ......sachin has forgiven ganguly too inspite of ganguly's taunts at sachin and supported him during crisis - pls dont attrbute these to dravid or ganguly - andha vaanatha pola manam padachha mannavan sachin dhaan kaaranam.......

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:25 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Plum,
  
  Those who show results will be duly credited. This is common to all fields, not only cricket. 'Naan muyarchi pannen, maram natten'nu sollalaam. But pazham yaaru parikkaraangalo avangalukkuthaan madhippu..

  Righttu ogay. appO Dhonikku dhAN credit. Dhoni nadura marathula nALaikku oruthan pazham paRichuttu credit eduthuttu povAn. Given that Dhoni is a good captain, idhu nichayamA nadakkum. nalla maram nadAma pOga mAttAr. appO pEsalAm.
  andha credit taker Yuvi alladhu DurbyA irundhA enakku nalla sirippA irukkum.

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:26 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  oru unmayana sachin fan - ganguly and dravid created a great atmosphere in the team and respected sachin from day1-nnu sollattum, naa othhukuren, new-gen got "spirit" from yesteryear players...
  
  feddy, rama, LM, bala - yaaravadhu

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:27 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kandippaga pesalam..

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:28 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by Plum

  There is no inclination to even accept that Dhoni performed poorly in this series as batsman+WK appuram mathavangaLai mattum biased, agenda adhu idhunnu epdi dhairayamA solRAngannu theriyalai. idhu dhAn new age spiritA?

  ennanga neenga ganguly-dravid koottu sadhi of declaring at sahcin';s 194* -e defend pannumbodhu, idhellam sinna visayam
  
  btw, its just sachin forgave rahul dravid ......sachin has forgiven ganguly too inspite of ganguly's taunts at sachin and supported him during crisis - pls dont attrbute these to dravid or ganguly - andha vaanatha pola manam padachha mannavan sachin dhaan kaaranam.......

  idhu eppO nadandhadhu?
  
  BTW, nInga quote paNNa postkum nInga sonnadhukkum enna pamma K sambandham? (Dont answer this, I understand where you are coming from in this post)

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:28 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oru unmayana sachin fan - ganguly and dravid created a great atmosphere in the team and respected sachin from day1-nnu sollattum, naa othhukuren, new-gen got "spirit" from yesteryear players...
  
  feddy, rama, LM, bala - yaaravadhu

  Masterji wanted urgently...

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:29 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ada pOngappA ella IPL teamkum Vijay Mallya dhAn spirit supply paNdrApla. So he is the true hero of Indian Cricket. Case Closed

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:30 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  indha Sachin-Dravid Divide and Rule chatterjeeya vudavE mAttIngaLA?
  
  LM, Feddy etc - yOv Sachin-ai vechu madakkuRangayyA, mayangidAdhInga, mayangidAdhinga

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 11:31 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Indha madhiri edhavadhu porumaya badhil sonna paravala unga side-la oru vishayathai sonna ellarum labo thibonnu guthikuraanga.
  
  1. Dhoni great batsman ae ellam vara vendam. When I said good batsmen i said more in terms of technique. I agree for a guy at 7 he maintains a very good record. In future he will be tested for his batting skills. That time will come when the cushion of 3 seniors around him leave. At that point of time he will have to juggle the three things(capt + wk + batting) successfully. Adhu evvalavu kastama irukkumnu naan solli than puriyanumnu illa. Your gang should understand that we all want him to do well. He shouldnt become a modern day ponting dropping from his imperious avg of 59.99
  
  2. Agreed dh.
  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Mostly dhoni the batsman + wk. As a batsman he is not there yet in my books as a good batsman. WK, fine he is the best we have. No doubts. My stance is mainly on these two criterias.

  Feddy, agreed he is not the best batsman in the lineup. But for a player playing at #7 mostly his average is pretty good (50 plus) and with such a top heavy side as us, he rarely gets the chance to play. He did reasonably well against England scoring some 70 plus in almost saving the match (at the end rain helped him though :P). Most ppl seem to ignore his wk, the one which shows up glaringly only when he misses a couple of chances. He has been that good that we seem to complain on his wk only during this 1st test match v Aussies when he missed a couple of chances.
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  As a captain what i dont understand is how he is responsible for the team's environment, spirit and other good things. We are not saying he didnt do nothing also. We are not very sure on the methods of measurementnnu vechukuvom.

  I agree its not tangible. And yes also agree that for seniors like SRT/VVS/RD they dont need a motivation to perform. But for guys coming into the team and who have not cemented a place a captain is very important. Remember how Gambhir was persisted even though he wasnt doing well and he hit great form. Its times like these I feel Captaincy is required. Remember even Mark Taylor with such a talented team let Captaincy pressure hit his batting - MSD has done equally well in his personal form
  
  Also equally important is the confidence he gives his bowlers, he allows the bowlers to set their own fields - small thing yes, but not many captains b4 him did that.

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 11:31 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ada paavikaLa.. oru 5 mins gapla.. ethana post.. ethula aarambikkirathunne therila...

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 11:32 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  indha Sachin-Dravid Divide and Rule chatterjeeya vudavE mAttIngaLA?
  
  LM, Feddy etc - yOv Sachin-ai vechu madakkuRangayyA, mayangidAdhInga, mayangidAdhinga

  clearly shows who is desperate.. isnt it?

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:32 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  At the completion of the Test match I was approached by VVS Laxman with a complaint that Sourav had approached him on the eve of the Test saying that I had told Sourav that I did not want Laxman in the team for Test matches

  http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketf...p?topic=4344.0
  
  this is the spirit Ganguly maintained in the team - dont tell me that Dhoni has acquired this

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 11:32 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  ada paavikaLa.. oru 5 mins gapla.. ethana post.. ethula aarambikkirathunne therila...

  yes... endha pakkam porathunne therla,. ella pakkamum vaiyyuraanga...

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 11:33 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  Test-la thaane, adhu Clarke avara pannina comedy-la! Illaya Ajay?

  Ajay,
  
  Dhoni was sharp in executing the stumping, agree. But nothing extraordinary about it.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:33 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  I think we r nearing the end of this day long debate...

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 11:35 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy
  
  That 194 incident is indeed unfortunate. Tendul and Dravid spoke and cleared that matter and it was a mistake. Adhaye thirumba pesaradhu nallava irukku. Naama adhai appadiyae vidaradhu dhan nalladhunu nenaikuren.
  
  Ganguly matter enaku romba pudhusu. LM or ram can answer.

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:35 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  Test-la thaane, adhu Clarke avara pannina comedy-la! Illaya Ajay?

  Ajay,
  
  Dhoni was sharp in executing the stumping, agree. But nothing extraordinary about it.

  Naan extra-ordinarynu ellam claim pannave illaiye.. It was my reply to the claim that his keeping was poor.. Shar in executing the stumping deserves a better claim, right?

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 11:36 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  y pulling Ganguly here? avar sattaya kazhatunathu thaan periya thappa?

  Fighting spirit, energy pathiyellaam pesumbothu these are crucial points illayaa? Intha nerathula thaan neenga jump panni oru bit-a podanum. Eppadina - Ganguly shirt-a kazhatnathnaalathaan avarukkulla ozhinjittu iruntha 6-pack therinjuthu, hence had better fighting ability, appdinu. Part of seniors illaya, you had a good chance to make it 1-0 in favour of seniors

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 11:37 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  Test-la thaane, adhu Clarke avara pannina comedy-la! Illaya Ajay?

  Ajay,
  
  Dhoni was sharp in executing the stumping, agree. But nothing extraordinary about it.

  Master, just tell me apart from dhoni, who else would have given the same results by giving them the captaincy with the same team??
  
  Dravid, Sachin - ruled out...
  Laxman, Sehwag, Gambhir OR even Harbhajan OR Zaheer ?

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:37 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Do we give credit to Ponting for winning with McG, Warne (since I asked this DH pONdravargaL vENumnE "yes we did" apdimbAinga ) and Hayden?

  lol or not, i got to reply :P
  
  I dont understand this argument at all... so ur saying Aussies would have continued to win just by having McG,Warne and Hayden in the team even if they had Hauritz as captain. Kood, Waugh and Taylor were useless, no contributions as captains - they won coz they had a good team

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 11:37 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oru unmayana sachin fan - ganguly and dravid created a great atmosphere in the team and respected sachin from day1-nnu sollattum, naa othhukuren, new-gen got "spirit" from yesteryear players...
  
  feddy, rama, LM, bala - yaaravadhu

  No comments about Ganguly. But Dravid was/is an exceptional team guy. No two ways about it.

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 11:38 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Maddy, en pangukku naanum keLappi vidurEn - vEllaikkaaran poi solla maattaanu ellaarum thappa purinjitrikeenga!

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:38 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Maddy
  
  That 194 incident is indeed unfortunate. Tendul and Dravid spoke and cleared that matter and it was a mistake. Adhaye thirumba pesaradhu nallava irukku. Naama adhai appadiyae vidaradhu dhan nalladhunu nenaikuren.

  ennanga naa edho madha kalavaram undu panra aalu madhiri solreenga ........i said, ippadi ellam nadanthirukkumbodhu, how can plum claim dressing room atmosphere was great in dravid/ganguly era
  
  and ganguly insulting laxman is unpardonable - laxman is the man for me in tests - avara poi, cha

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:39 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum in 2010

  Dhoni's real mettle as test captain is after the seniors retire. I am pretty sure he'll succeed there but that has to happen first.

  Originally Posted by Plum in 2016

  Dhoni is reaping the success of the kuchimuttai harvested in 2000, we had a lot of seniors who showed the youngsters how to dream/win/be the #1

  idhu aavaradhukilla, everyone knows ur hatred towards MSD - nothing new, continue

  
  

• From: MADDY on 22nd October 2010 11:40 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oru unmayana sachin fan - ganguly and dravid created a great atmosphere in the team and respected sachin from day1-nnu sollattum, naa othhukuren, new-gen got "spirit" from yesteryear players...
  
  feddy, rama, LM, bala - yaaravadhu

  No comments about Ganguly. But Dravid was/is an exceptional team guy. No two ways about it.

  Ok, LM, neengale ippadi sonnadhukku appram - naa enna solradhu....
  
  Plum, hereby i agree that "this generation of players including dhoni acquired their fighting and survival spirits from yesteryear legends like Ganguly and Dravid"
  
  regds,
  maddy
  
  

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:42 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by Plum

  indha Sachin-Dravid Divide and Rule chatterjeeya vudavE mAttIngaLA?
  
  LM, Feddy etc - yOv Sachin-ai vechu madakkuRangayyA, mayangidAdhInga, mayangidAdhinga

  clearly shows who is desperate.. isnt it?

  Enga kidding post-ai eduthukittu seriousA badhil solRinga?

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 11:43 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ada appadi illainga. That is a very uneasy topic to debate .
  
  P.S: I've no idea on ganguly's actions.
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Maddy
  
  That 194 incident is indeed unfortunate. Tendul and Dravid spoke and cleared that matter and it was a mistake. Adhaye thirumba pesaradhu nallava irukku. Naama adhai appadiyae vidaradhu dhan nalladhunu nenaikuren.

  ennanga naa edho madha kalavaram undu panra aalu madhiri solreenga ........i said, ippadi ellam nadanthirukkumbodhu, how can plum claim dressing room atmosphere was great in dravid/ganguly era
  
  and ganguly insulting laxman is unpardonable - laxman is the man for me in tests - avara poi, cha

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 11:43 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  Test-la thaane, adhu Clarke avara pannina comedy-la! Illaya Ajay?

  Ajay,
  
  Dhoni was sharp in executing the stumping, agree. But nothing extraordinary about it.

  Master, just tell me apart from dhoni, who else would have given the same results by giving them the captaincy with the same team??
  
  Dravid, Sachin - ruled out...
  Laxman, Sehwag, Gambhir OR even Harbhajan OR Zaheer ?

  Not sure if you had read my posts yesterday. I have been saying Dhoni deserves some credit for our performances. Here I am talking about his keeping (along with batting), which have been disappointing off late.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 22nd October 2010 11:43 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  Originally Posted by Dinesh84

  y pulling Ganguly here? avar sattaya kazhatunathu thaan periya thappa?

  Fighting spirit, energy pathiyellaam pesumbothu these are crucial points illayaa? Intha nerathula thaan neenga jump panni oru bit-a podanum. Eppadina - Ganguly shirt-a kazhatnathnaalathaan avarukkulla ozhinjittu iruntha 6-pack therinjuthu, hence had better fighting ability, appdinu. Part of seniors illaya, you had a good chance to make it 1-0 in favour of seniors

  6 pack nu ellam sollrathu ellam is too much.. i wont stoop these low.. wat ever i say u wont stop these kind of silly kindals.. i am off..

  
  

• From: ajaybaskar on 22nd October 2010 11:44 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Plum in 2010

  Dhoni's real mettle as test captain is after the seniors retire. I am pretty sure he'll succeed there but that has to happen first.

  Originally Posted by Plum in 2016

  Dhoni is reaping the success of the kuchimuttai harvested in 2000, we had a lot of seniors who showed the youngsters how to dream/win/be the #1

  idhu aavaradhukilla, everyone knows ur hatred towards MSD - nothing new, continue

  
  
  I am also tata..

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 11:45 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oru unmayana sachin fan - ganguly and dravid created a great atmosphere in the team and respected sachin from day1-nnu sollattum, naa othhukuren, new-gen got "spirit" from yesteryear players...
  
  feddy, rama, LM, bala - yaaravadhu

  No comments about Ganguly. But Dravid was/is an exceptional team guy. No two ways about it.

  Ok, LM, neengale ippadi sonnadhukku appram - naa enna solradhu....
  

  Seems you are offended Read my post again

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 11:46 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ram,
  
  That was totally unnecessary

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:46 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oru unmayana sachin fan - ganguly and dravid created a great atmosphere in the team and respected sachin from day1-nnu sollattum, naa othhukuren, new-gen got "spirit" from yesteryear players...
  
  feddy, rama, LM, bala - yaaravadhu

  No comments about Ganguly. But Dravid was/is an exceptional team guy. No two ways about it.

  Ok, LM, neengale ippadi sonnadhukku appram - naa enna solradhu....
  
  Plum, hereby i agree that "this generation of players including dhoni acquired their fighting and survival spirits from yesteryear legends like Ganguly and Dravid"
  
  regds,
  maddy
  
  

  thirumba thirumba idhai solla thAnE Directhit varuvInga. This is always your only, sole, self-consolign argument. apdiyE vechukkunga. When are you going to respond to my arguments instead of trying to paint me as Dhoni hater? sari vENdAm vidunga - you will never do that.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 11:47 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by MADDY

  oru unmayana sachin fan - ganguly and dravid created a great atmosphere in the team and respected sachin from day1-nnu sollattum, naa othhukuren, new-gen got "spirit" from yesteryear players...
  
  feddy, rama, LM, bala - yaaravadhu

  No comments about Ganguly. But Dravid was/is an exceptional team guy. No two ways about it.

  Ok, LM, neengale ippadi sonnadhukku appram - naa enna solradhu....
  

  Enna Maddy, LM sonnathu puriyalayaa. He simply doesn't want to talk about ganguly and hurt some people here.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 11:47 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  rk,
  
  That was an unwanted jibe on ganguly, mate

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:49 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  Indha madhiri edhavadhu porumaya badhil sonna paravala unga side-la oru vishayathai sonna ellarum labo thibonnu guthikuraanga.

  ada neenga vera naanga dhaan porumayin rolemodels aa irukkom :P neenga enga chappal a pottu paarunga, kuthunga yejamaan kuthunga dhaan enneramum j/k
  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  1. Dhoni great batsman ae ellam vara vendam. When I said good batsmen i said more in terms of technique. I agree for a guy at 7 he maintains a very good record. In future he will be tested for his batting skills. That time will come when the cushion of 3 seniors around him leave. At that point of time he will have to juggle the three things(capt + wk + batting) successfully. Adhu evvalavu kastama irukkumnu naan solli than puriyanumnu illa. Your gang should understand that we all want him to do well. He shouldnt become a modern day ponting dropping from his imperious avg of 59.99

  agreed, if and when seniors retire MSD is not going to be successful batting at 3 or 4 in tests (like in ODIs). But I guess he himself knows his limitations in his technique and hope he does something to mend himself in that (not something which can be changed sooon IMO). However its obvious its going to be Raina/Pujara/Gambhir/Yuvi filling into those slots and MSD might be still at 6/7 atleast in Tests.

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 11:49 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  rk,
  
  That was an unwanted jibe on ganguly, mate

  hehe... Naa summa vilayaatukku thaan sonnen. That wasn't a serious comment. Dinesh & sourav.. chumma chumma
  
  But i want to agree with Maddy about ganguly.

  
  

• From: raajarasigan on 22nd October 2010 11:50 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by 19thmay

  Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

  Sri,
  
  Dhoni keeping pathi ellam sollaadheenga.. Clarke dismissal konjam youtubela paarunga..

  Test-la thaane, adhu Clarke avara pannina comedy-la! Illaya Ajay?

  Ajay,
  
  Dhoni was sharp in executing the stumping, agree. But nothing extraordinary about it.

  Master, just tell me apart from dhoni, who else would have given the same results by giving them the captaincy with the same team??
  
  Dravid, Sachin - ruled out...
  Laxman, Sehwag, Gambhir OR even Harbhajan OR Zaheer ?

  Not sure if you had read my posts yesterday. I have been saying Dhoni deserves some credit for our performances. Here I am talking about his keeping (along with batting), which have been disappointing off late.

  did NOT read that master... then I agree with you on his batting..
  
  keeping -- it is just that one odd series for him.. he can come back strongly on that..
  
  batting -- yes, he has to be more consistent.. if he is NOT a captain, people would have even appreciated with his current stats at # 7...he has to learn the art of batting with the tail enders...

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:50 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  If we are spreading rumours, Dhoni-Sehwag vechu kUda silambAttam veLayAdinAnga journalists. adhellAm Dressing Room atmosphere-ai romba vaLA paduthichO?
  
  Amit Mishra who called Sehwag a better captain gets little encouragement from Dhoni. (udanE avar stas quote paNNuvInga. But you will conveniently hide his dropping after a good test in Bangladesh and giving the ball to Durby immediately after Mishra has broken through a fighting opposition partnership that exposes the tail so that Durby can clean upt he tail and have better figures). Gangulykku Murali Kartik mAdhiri Dhonikku Amit Mishra. idhellAm manusha iyalbu. oNNu reNdu case-la periya manushangaLum ipdi thAn paNnuvAnga.
  
  
  (read this post in the same "cahpeell sonnAru, avar sonnAru ivar sonnAru" spirit. these are all rumours and we cannot have a definitive judgement based on this but since you are spreading rumours, i can also do that)

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 11:53 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  This is always your only, sole, self-consolign argument. apdiyE vechukkunga. When are you going to respond to my arguments instead of trying to paint me as Dhoni hater? sari vENdAm vidunga - you will never do that.

  aaniye pudunga vendaam, you can live in ur own dream world. I can live in my reality

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 11:53 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  keeping -- it is just that one odd series for him.. he can come back strongly on that..
  
  batting -- yes, he has to be more consistent.. if he is NOT a captain, people would have even appreciated with his current stats at # 7...he has to learn the art of batting with the tail enders...

  RR,
  
  Dhoni had a forgettable series behind the wickets in SL. Dropped Sangakkara in the first match where he went on to make a double. He dropped few other catches too.
  
  About his batting, he is not sure whether to attack or defend and gets caught in double minds. There are few occasions we lost the advantage because of his loss in form.
  
  I understand he has been playing non stop for the past few months and all the pressure is taking a toll on him.

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:54 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  edhukku ippO thyaagi vEsham(nAnga dhAn poRumaiyA irukkOm etc)?
  
  ennamO Dhoniya kEvalamA thittinA mAdhiriyum, poruthiru manohara-nu ivanga summA irukkarA mAdhiriyum.
  
  Only Sourav has been unfairly kEvalpaduthified in this thread. If Sourva fans claim tolerance and patience, one can agree. mathavanga ellAm give and take dhAn please dont romanticise yourself as thyagi thyagarajan

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 11:54 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  singam marubadi kaLam erangidichi!
  Plum, neenga chitti maahidiri - 1 man army + navy + airforce + strategic nuclear and missile command.

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:55 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Plum

  This is always your only, sole, self-consolign argument. apdiyE vechukkunga. When are you going to respond to my arguments instead of trying to paint me as Dhoni hater? sari vENdAm vidunga - you will never do that.

  aaniye pudunga vendaam, you can live in ur own dream world. I can live in my reality

  edhukku indha desparation? Why are you always having only one argument "Plum hates Dhoni"? vEra edhuvum thONaliyA?
  
  padikkum mahAjanangaLukku purinjirukkumnu nambaREn

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 22nd October 2010 11:56 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  http://cricketnext.in.com/news/dhoni.../35834-13.html
  http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dh...th-sel/389443/
  
  aalukku oru kathi kodukkanumolliyo . appaalikkaa vandhu pesuren, for now .

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:57 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by raajarasigan

  keeping -- it is just that one odd series for him.. he can come back strongly on that..
  
  batting -- yes, he has to be more consistent.. if he is NOT a captain, people would have even appreciated with his current stats at # 7...he has to learn the art of batting with the tail enders...

  RR,
  
  Dhoni had a forgettable series behind the wickets in SL. Dropped Sangakkara in the first match where he went on to make a double. He dropped few other catches too.
  
  About his batting, he is not sure whether to attack or defend and gets caught in double minds. There are few occasions we lost the advantage because of his loss in form.
  
  I understand he has been playing non stop for the past few months and all the pressure is taking a toll on him.

  This whole pushing under the carpet of Dhoni's performance is typical of what has been happening here. They just dont want to accept anything slightly less than Dhoni is God, omnipotent and omnipresent.
  
  Thankfully, Dhoni is much more grounded, and would have already realised his problems and I am sure he will work on that and turn it around.

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 11:58 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  http://cricketnext.in.com/news/dhoni-selectors-disagree-over-rps-omission/35834-13.html
  http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dh...th-sel/389443/
  
  aalukku oru kathi kodukkanumolliyo . appaalikkaa vandhu pesuren, for now .

  puLi, I think these are positive aspects of Dhoni.

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 12:00 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by sathya_1979

  singam marubadi kaLam erangidichi!
  Plum, neenga chitti maahidiri - 1 man army + navy + airforce + strategic nuclear and missile command.

  kadaisila ennai kaiya kAla kazhatti museuthula okkAra vechuruvAngangaRinga?

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 12:00 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Plum

  This is always your only, sole, self-consolign argument. apdiyE vechukkunga. When are you going to respond to my arguments instead of trying to paint me as Dhoni hater? sari vENdAm vidunga - you will never do that.

  aaniye pudunga vendaam, you can live in ur own dream world. I can live in my reality

  edhukku indha desparation? Why are you always having only one argument "Plum hates Dhoni"? vEra edhuvum thONaliyA?
  
  padikkum mahAjanangaLukku purinjirukkumnu nambaREn

  plum - neram pogalayaa
  
  ur arguments are as old as ... the hub. no point replying to them coz IMO they are either silly or out of ur imaginations. Havent been seeing anything new coming out of u too anyways, same old regional bias/delhi bias/sehwag kooda sanda topics - ennatha pesi ennatha...

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 12:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  DH, again desparation?
  
  nAn dhAn adhellAm rumour adhai vechellAm pEsa kUdadhu nInga rumourai koNdu vandhadhAla nAn koNdu varrEn just to show your silliness - ipdi solittu dhAne adhai koNdu vandhEn
  
  idhu ungaLukku nichayamA purinjirukkum.
  irundhAlum, argumentsku reply paNNa mudiyAma thirumba thirumba "not worth replying"-nu sonnA 4 pEru nambuvAngannu ungaLukku nappAsai. idhukku pEru dhANdiyO dreaem worldu!

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 12:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  
  About his batting, he is not sure whether to attack or defend and gets caught in double minds. There are few occasions we lost the advantage because of his loss in form.
  
  I understand he has been playing non stop for the past few months and all the pressure is taking a toll on him.

  Agree with you. Sometimes, in ODIs, he would promote himself ahead of others like Raina and spoil the whole momentum.

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 12:02 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Time to end these arguments. Plum ji give it a rest.
  
  

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 22nd October 2010 12:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  http://cricketnext.in.com/news/dhoni-selectors-disagree-over-rps-omission/35834-13.html
  http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dh...th-sel/389443/
  
  aalukku oru kathi kodukkanumolliyo . appaalikkaa vandhu pesuren, for now .

  puLi, I think these are positive aspects of Dhoni.

  Plum, this is for Ganguly politics article. Just trying to point that painting a Holier-than-thou picture is not exactly accurate.
  
  Dravid alavukku periya post poda enakkum porumai+time illai. adhaan link-oda niruthikkitten.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 22nd October 2010 12:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Only Sourav has been unfairly kEvalpaduthified in this thread. If Sourva fans claim tolerance and patience, one can agree. mathavanga ellAm give and take dhAn please dont romanticise yourself as thyagi thyagarajan

  abt that chappel mail thing... greg was the one coach who has been hated by most of our players... sehwag, zhaeer, durby etc have openly told they had tough time under greg as coach...avar sonnathai vedha vaakka eduthuttu ganguly-i mattam thattureenga....

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 12:06 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  nAn dhAn adhellAm rumour adhai vechellAm pEsa kUdadhu nInga rumourai koNdu vandhadhAla nAn koNdu varrEn just to show your silliness - ipdi solittu dhAne adhai koNdu vandhEn

  idha thaane oru 3-4 varushamaaa facts aa sollindirukkel
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  argumentsku reply paNNa mudiyAma thirumba thirumba

  ada unga level kku argue panna mudiyumaa, manam thalaraama try panra Maddy kku dhaan thyagi thyagarajan/vikramadhithyan pattam kudukka porom
  
  how much ever desperate ur to push this argument further, am not biting ur bait :P

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 12:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Hub varalaaru enna solluthunaa, if people start using this emoticon, then it means they are going to keep arguing for a long time. Good sign

  
  

• From: Sourav on 22nd October 2010 12:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  RK, 28th en kooda thane varreenga train-la?!

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 12:08 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Originally Posted by Puliyan_Biryani

  http://cricketnext.in.com/news/dhoni-selectors-disagree-over-rps-omission/35834-13.html
  http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dh...th-sel/389443/
  
  aalukku oru kathi kodukkanumolliyo . appaalikkaa vandhu pesuren, for now .

  puLi, I think these are positive aspects of Dhoni.

  Plum, this is for Ganguly politics article. Just trying to point that painting a Holier-than-thou picture is not exactly accurate.
  
  Dravid alavukku periya post poda enakkum porumai+time illai. adhaan link-oda niruthikkitten.

  Oh ok.
  
  I too feel that Ganguly is overly caricatured and ridiculed here. He had his faults, but thankfully, as a group, they overcame all that and delivered. And I believe there was a conscious effort to get over the differences and the mistakes(w.r.t treating each other) and evolve. adhu dhAn mukkiyam.
  
  Actually, Dhoni is also doing that. If he forges this atmosphere with Durby, Yuvi, Kohli, Rohit etc in the future, that would be an even bigger achievement than what the previous generation achieved - becausee idhellAm poorAm dangerous phlows unlike Dravid-Sachin-Laxman-Kumble.

  
  

• From: littlemaster1982 on 22nd October 2010 12:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  RK, 28th en kooda thane varreenga train-la?!

  I'm coming too :P

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 22nd October 2010 12:20 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Appadiyae siva kitta solli namma rk kku edavadhu onnu paathu angayae kalyanathai mudichirunga. Hub-kku ninga seyra peria nalla vishayama irukkum. :P.
  
  for real now.
  

  Originally Posted by littlemaster1982

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  RK, 28th en kooda thane varreenga train-la?!

  I'm coming too :P

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 12:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by ajithfederer

  namma rk kku edavadhu onnu paathu angayae kalyanathai mudichirunga.

  

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 12:24 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  aNNan in Karagaattakkaaran: petrol velai EripOchunu maNNeNai oothinEn, maNNeNai velai ErupOchunu kurood oil oothinEn. Ippo vaNdi edhula Odudhunu adhukkum thereela, enakkum thereela.

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 12:27 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by directhit

  Originally Posted by Plum

  nAn dhAn adhellAm rumour adhai vechellAm pEsa kUdadhu nInga rumourai koNdu vandhadhAla nAn koNdu varrEn just to show your silliness - ipdi solittu dhAne adhai koNdu vandhEn

  idha thaane oru 3-4 varushamaaa facts aa sollindirukkel
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  argumentsku reply paNNa mudiyAma thirumba thirumba

  ada unga level kku argue panna mudiyumaa, manam thalaraama try panra Maddy kku dhaan thyagi thyagarajan/vikramadhithyan pattam kudukka porom
  
  how much ever desperate ur to push this argument further, am not biting ur bait :P

  DH, really you are being disingenuous and dishonest. Absolutely disgusting distortion of facts. nAn dhAn sollaNum.
  
  I know you are not biting the bait because the bait is bitter truth

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 12:29 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Sourav

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Only Sourav has been unfairly kEvalpaduthified in this thread. If Sourva fans claim tolerance and patience, one can agree. mathavanga ellAm give and take dhAn please dont romanticise yourself as thyagi thyagarajan

  abt that chappel mail thing... greg was the one coach who has been hated by most of our players... sehwag, zhaeer, durby etc have openly told they had tough time under greg as coach...avar sonnathai vedha vaakka eduthuttu ganguly-i mattam thattureenga....

  nAn engE thattinEn?
  
  Greg Chappell sonna thillAlangadi facts ellAm vechu argue paNdrAnga. Not only Zaheer, Durby etc idhukku munnAdi avar coach paNNina Western Australian players also talked about his duplicity, lying, agenda based targetting of players, and goign to any extent to remove players he doesnt like including lying and dividing the team etc.

  
  

• From: Sourav on 22nd October 2010 12:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  ungala sollala...maddy-i sonnnen...

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 12:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  DH, really you are being disingenuous and dishonest. Absolutely disgusting distortion of facts. nAn dhAn sollaNum.

  Wow.. ithukku paer thaan vaarthai vilaiyaatta

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 22nd October 2010 01:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Subbbbbaaa... Mudinjudicha...

  
  

• From: Plum on 22nd October 2010 06:15 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Kohli, Raina and Pujara for the future, says Harsha
  
  Harsha says Kohli will soon be in test team. He is higlighting these 3 but has cooly forgotten Vijay's century and general readiness whenever given a chance in tests.
  After one knock in ODIs from Kohli, he has surged over someone actually performed continuously in tests - idhu dhAn subtle agenda against TN-ngaradhu.
  
  Dont get me wrong - I am not convinced by Vijay and eventually, Kohli will get more chances and end up more succesful any way. But indha thiruttu thanamAna agenda articles by guys like Harsha is what annoys.

  
  

• From: SoftSword on 22nd October 2010 07:23 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  it took me a whole 7 hours of patience to run through the thread...
  and finally i could not see all these debates and discussions enlighten or convince anybody in the opposite teams...
  
  atleast for an understanding on the lighter side, can anybody list the candidates in the two teams and with a list of neutrals?

  
  

• From: sathya_1979 on 22nd October 2010 07:35 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by SoftSword

  it took me a whole 7 hours of patience to run through the thread...
  and finally i could not see all these debates and discussions enlighten or convince anybody in the opposite teams...
  
  atleast for an understanding on the lighter side, can anybody list the candidates in the two teams and with a list of neutrals?

  Mahabharatha GowravargaL PaaNdavargaL kaNakkaa aNi vaguththu nikka solluveenga pOla!

  
  

• From: hamid on 22nd October 2010 07:37 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by SoftSword

  it took me a whole 7 hours of patience to run through the thread...
  and finally i could not see all these debates and discussions enlighten or convince anybody in the opposite teams...
  
  atleast for an understanding on the lighter side, can anybody list the candidates in the two teams and with a list of neutrals?

  inga post panna ellaraiyum vida mika periya vetti niingannu prove pannittinga
  NOM

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 22nd October 2010 07:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by SoftSword

  atleast for an understanding on the lighter side, can anybody list the candidates in the two teams and with a list of neutrals?

  Sathyaraj and Prabhu paying hotel bill in CTPT
  SR: adichaanla avanaiye kudukka sollunga
  PG: adi vaangunaanla avanaiye kudukka sollunga .........

  
  

• From: Nerd on 22nd October 2010 07:40 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  That wasn't a serious comment. Dinesh & sourav.. chumma chumma

  yEn bayappadra??

  
  

• From: directhit on 22nd October 2010 07:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  DH, really you are being disingenuous and dishonest. Absolutely disgusting distortion of facts. nAn dhAn sollaNum.
  
  I know you are not biting the bait because the bait is bitter truth

  ada 'dis'interested nu sonnadhukku imbuttu 'dis' podareenga..
  
  sari bitter truth oh butter truth oh.. irundhuttu pogattum :P
  
  RK

  
  

• From: SoftSword on 22nd October 2010 07:49 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by hamid

  Originally Posted by SoftSword

  it took me a whole 7 hours of patience to run through the thread...
  and finally i could not see all these debates and discussions enlighten or convince anybody in the opposite teams...
  
  atleast for an understanding on the lighter side, can anybody list the candidates in the two teams and with a list of neutrals?

  inga post panna ellaraiyum vida mika periya vetti niingannu prove pannittinga
  NOM

  satthiyamaa vettidhaan... velayum illai.. velayilum illai....

  
  

• From: Vivasaayi on 22nd October 2010 08:59 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  Kohli, Raina and Pujara for the future, says Harsha
  
  Harsha says Kohli will soon be in test team. He is higlighting these 3 but has cooly forgotten Vijay's century and general readiness whenever given a chance in tests.
  After one knock in ODIs from Kohli, he has surged over someone actually performed continuously in tests - idhu dhAn subtle agenda against TN-ngaradhu.
  
  Dont get me wrong - I am not convinced by Vijay and eventually, Kohli will get more chances and end up more succesful any way. But indha thiruttu thanamAna agenda articles by guys like Harsha is what annoys.

  This is why we need a captain like Dhoni .
  
  You told "Vijay's century and general readiness whenever given a chance in tests"
  
  Dhoni said vijay has proved whenever he was given an oppurtunity..
  
  chennai super kings captain..so inga konjam affinity irukkum..

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 22nd October 2010 09:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Nerd

  Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

  That wasn't a serious comment. Dinesh & sourav.. chumma chumma

  yEn bayappadra??

  I will be travelling with one of them to Kanyakumari in a few days. Safe-a poyittu thirumbi vara venaama

  
  

• From: villan007 on 22nd October 2010 11:48 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Ganguly-a kora sollama Dhoni-a defend pannave mudiatha

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 23rd October 2010 01:54 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Australia seek redemption under rain threat
  
  http://www.cricinfo.com/india-v-aust...ry/483209.html
  
  indha match-ayum mazhai vandhu keduthurum pola irukke

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 24th October 2010 12:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by crookinfo

  12.45pm Still no official word, though Rohit Sharma has tweeted that the match has been called off.

  
  

• From: Dinesh84 on 24th October 2010 12:53 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by crookinfo

  12.50pm NEO Cricket says the match has been called off.

  
  

• From: Puliyan_Biryani on 24th October 2010 01:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  BCCI matha vishayathula spend panradhukku badhila Stadium maintenance-ku spend pannalaam.

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 24th October 2010 01:09 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  India along with rain creates history..
  Wins both Test and ODI for 1st time

  
  

• From: steveaustin on 24th October 2010 01:30 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Aussies washed out by rain as well as Indian Team.

  
  

• From: Plum on 24th October 2010 04:05 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  1-0 series win
  Idhu historic-nu solRadhu konjam...

  
  

• From: Ramakrishna on 24th October 2010 06:38 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  1-0 series win
  Idhu historic-nu solRadhu konjam...

  It is a part of history thaane

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 25th October 2010 04:31 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Of course
  
  All in India below:
  
  Aus win in 1998 and 2001 : 3-2.
  
  Aus win in 2007 and 2009 : 4-2.
  
  Aus win the Ind-Aus-NZ tri series in 2003.
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  1-0 series win
  Idhu historic-nu solRadhu konjam...

  
  

• From: ajithfederer on 25th October 2010 09:13 AM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Wednesday, October 6, 2010
  The Pull of Laxman
  
  Lots have already been written about the sublime 73 not out by VVS Laxman which managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat against a determined Australian side.
  
  Living in Switzerland, I had to make do with commentary updates on Cricinfo, but managed to view the entire highlights … about a couple of dozen times. But, instead of repeating the much deserved eulogies that have flooded the media, blogs and posts, I will limit my article to one solitary stroke during the entire innings.
  
  Having matured into a cricket aficionado in the eighties, the sight of a batsman pulling a fast bowler evokes romantic images – mainly because of the pitifully limited number successful executions of the routine by Indian batsmen during my formative years of cricket watching.
  
  Many of the top batsmen of India had either eschewed the shot totally, weighing the risks it brought into the game against the probable benefits. Brought up on domestic pitches, where the bowlers' backbreaking effort more often than not failed to bounce a new ball higher than the knee, batsmen lacked sufficient practice against high class pace to employ it with confidence and consistency.
  
  Dilip Vengsarkar seldom played it against fast bowling during his best days, preferring to evade or defend the short balls at his body. Mohammed Azharuddin resorted to it only as an afterthought during his madcap years of the mid nineties, and for someone who wielded the bat like an artist's brush, he suddenly seemed to trade it for a sledge hammer every time he went back to cart the ball past the square leg. Both these maestros failed more often than not whenever they tried the shot on the faster, bouncier tracks overseas.
  
  Sunil Gavaskar, famously bringing the hook back into his repertoire during his 29th century that morning twenty seven years ago at Feroze Shah Kotla, nevertheless confessed that the pull was one stroke he never mastered. Television did not beam the famed counterattack of Mohinder Amarnath in the West Indies in 1982, but back home in India, his performance against the best fast bowlers of his day was less than ordinary to put it very mildly.
  
  Among the lesser luminaries with the bat, Kapil Dev did execute a Nataraja shot in which the bat scythed across the body, but it was effective and exciting in an agricultural way, rather than a real sight for sore cricket loving eyes. Krish Sirkkanth did have a peculiar pull shot of his own, but as his average of 30 in test cricket and 29 in ODIs testify, seldom was he too long at the wicket to play the stroke with regularity. Probably the only time his pull brought forth success was when he holed out off Imran in the Sialkot test in Pakistan, thus denying Akram the distinction of getting his wicket on every occasion during the test series. Akram, however, had both his hands in the dismissal as he took the catch at long leg. Ravi Shastri and Navjot Sidhu were too stiff around the lower back to swivel around and pull a super fast delivery. For all their six hitting ability off slower men, their scoring became distinctly slower and painstaking whenever the balls became fast and short.
  
  With the coming of the nineties, the phenomenon called Sachin Tendulkar walked in and stamped his mark on all departments of the game, including the pull. Even as the expert in Sunil Gavaskar harped on his lack of inches which made it difficult for him to keep a pull on the ground, we were exposed to the thrills as he played the shot again and again, against every mighty fast bowler and with disdain. Yes, many a masterpiece in the making or on the way to becoming an opus were cut short by the stroke – as his 88 in Napier,122 in Birmingham,169 in Capetown and 155 in Bloemfontein are the ones in immediate memory. But, the discerning never complained of his dying by the sword, having been witness to the delightful heaven of his living by it. Versatile as he was, while his straight drives were just about gloriously timed pushes, delectable and effortless, his pulls were violent and merciless, executed with powerful disdain for the fast and famous bowlers around the world. As Andy Caddick will remember forever, they could travel far.
  
  Then came Dravid, a master technician, who went about playing every stroke with the approved stamp of the MCC Coaching manual. In his pull, as with every other stroke of his, he looked unhurried, composed and infallible, as the Wall which has been his alias ever since. Here was the first Indian batsman who could pull fast bowlers on pacy, green foreign wickets without allowing for the slightest risk that generally creep in even for the best masters of the stroke. This was in sharp contrast to his fellow debutant Sourav Ganguly, a peerless stroke-maker on the offside, whose pull off fast bowlers was often an act of futile self defence, eyes closed, bat held at a periscopic angle, with frequent, fatal and flimsy results. Dravid's pull had an elegant efficiency about it, which was the hallmark of his entire game. The ferocity associated with the stroke was eliminated as was the uncertainty.
  
  Virender Sehwag, with the bludgeon of a bat, prefers to cart the short balls in the region between extra cover and thirdman. While initially he suffered some discomfort with the balls aimed at his body, he has developed a pull, which like most of his other shots, is belligerent and fierce, but the audacity and confidence while he plays it does not quite match the rest of his strokes around the wicket.
  
  Enter VVS Laxman. Styled in the Hyderabadi gharana of wristy willow wizardry, stepping into the large shoes of Mohammad Azharuddin, he shuttled up and down the order for a few years, but soon outgrew the illustrious footwear. The world sat up to take notice of someone who had bettered the esoteric template that he was built on. While possessing every bit of the silky elegance of the wrist on the onside, he was distinctly more assured than Azhar through the covers and could play the same ball to mid wicket or extra cover based on the whims of his will and wrists. At the same time, on faster wickets, he outshone the earlier artist almost to the extent that the sun outshines the pretentious street lamps.
  
  A significant reason for his success overseas was while Azhar negotiated the short balls with a jump and a duck or a cross batted swipe more reliant on luck and wager than timing and placement, VVS Laxman did have an impeccable pull shot which kept the fastest bowlers from pitching too short too often. Even when India was bundled out for 83 at Bridgetown while chasing 120 for a win in 1997 and Laxman was still in the floating up and down the order days, a languid short arm pull off Ambrose still sticks to the memory as he top scored with 15 while opening on that treacherous wicket.
  
  While the pull embodies exuberant energy in the case of Sachin, elegant efficiency in the case of Dravid, in Laxman's case curiously it is an extension of the exquisite artistry in the other shots. Timing and wristwork all the way.
  
  When Laxman essays a pull shot off the fastest bowlers, there is none of the savagery associated with a bludgeon by a Mathew Hayden or an Adam Gilchrist or the arrogant ferocity of a Ricky Ponting. The body moves into position with the customary lazy elegance and the stroke is as wristy as his flick through the mid wicket – and as effective and devoid of risk.
  
  In the latest Mohali test against the Aussies, during the later stages of the innings when he was batting with Ishant Sharma and Pragyan Ojha, with the field allowing singles, men placed on the ropes, he kept taking twos with élan, using those malleable wrists to place the ball at will, just a wee bit on either side of the men on the ropes. With two people on the mid wicket fence to cut off his celebrated flicks off the pad, Hilfenhaus pitched short. Laxman laid back and rolled those wizard wrists over the ball, placing it with impeccable precision between the two deep fielders, the patrolmen almost running into each other as the ball mocked them, slipping through undeterred into the fence. It was a masterly demonstration of an unreal mix of artistry and efficiency in the face of utmost pressure.
  
  People often wonder how he manages to turn out these poetic yet potent offerings in the face of peril. The Cricinfo team compared his rescue acts to symphonies conducted with ambulance sirens in the background. However, I don’t think that is strange. The most poignant of art, we must remember, comes from the dark pits of distress. We often see this same very, very special soul struggling for self expression when the going is smooth and there are lots of runs on the board as he walks into bat. Sometimes, he drops his paintbrush for the more austere workman's tools. It is only when the stakes are raised to tipping point and the opposition places demanding challenges for his creative batter's mind that he is motivated to sublime brilliance, a sight fit for gods.
  
  One thing that probably works for him in his rearguard actions is that it is very difficult to set a field for him to limit his scoring or even keep them down to a single – as Ricky Ponting has so painfully found out. Those wrists can always find the gap in the most crowded of fields. And while people like Sachin Tendulkar are wont to back their big hitting ability to try and aim for the maximum when the batsmen at the other end are busy taking part in a relay race from and back to the pavilion – something that brought his demise in the heartbreaking so near yet so far affair in Chennai against Pakistan in 1999 – VVS Laxman, with all his genius, knows the limitations which keep him from clearing the fence too often. Even when six runs were needed with the last man in, there was no desperate attempt to aim for the stands. Unlimited in versatile artistry, he is fully aware of the boundaries of his calibre which has limited his overboundaries to four in all his test matches. In fact, the only occasion when Laxman looks ungainly at the wicket is when he tries cross batted cow shots.
  
  However, genius is rare. There will hardly be another 281 in a lifetime. And Laxman may not hit another six in his career. Even then, let me recount one of these rare occasions which sticks to memory. There are strokes that a cricket lover cannot forget. For example, the straight drive of Sachin Tendulkar off Shoaib Akhtar in the 2003 World Cup face off. Or a pull by Brian Lara, with an almost vertical bat, two feet off the ground. And that moment of mesmerising magic by Laxman.
  
  It was a short innings of 32, made from 30 balls, a miniature masterpiece if there ever was one, on the fast and furious Bloemfontein wicket against Pollock, Hayward, Ntini, Klusener and Kallis. In the 9th over, with India at 17 for one, Pollock ran in and bounced. Laxman, with a seeming eternity in his hands, swivelled, languid and lissom, and dismissed the ball off his face. It was a cross batted stroke off a short ball, experts undecided whether to call a hook or a pull. Almost a cross batted counterpart of a Tendulkar defensive push which often blazes away to the fence. The effort was minimal, the fuss non-existent, the batsman's eyes hardly followed the ball once it had been removed from his presence. The red cherry sailed all the way, over the boundary board behind square leg and into the crowd. A short ball by one of the fastest men in business almost lovingly caressed away for a six. A contradiction in terms?
  
  Even if VVS does not hit another six in his lifetime, I will be blessed to have witnessed that one stroke. Like the pull shot of his latest match winning innings, it will be replayed in my memory for ever – as a delight to brighten the drabbest of days.
  
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• From: 19thmay on 25th October 2010 03:12 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  Originally Posted by Plum

  1-0 series win
  Idhu historic-nu solRadhu konjam...

  It is outrageous that one of the richest organization in the world could not conduct matches due to wet outfield. If it is raining thats fine, but I heared that it was sunny after a while @ Kochi and Goa. This shows our poor draining system.

  
  

• From: Dhakshan on 25th October 2010 03:43 PM [Full View]

  
  
  

  They showed DRAINAGE SYSTEM followed in Goa.. Ladies ellaam buckets kondu vandhu thanni veliyaethuraanga