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[Oldposts] From: Vazhipokkan (@ 40.0*) on: Wed Dec 8 16:58:26 EST 2004.
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Here is the source
http://www.vikatan.com/jv/2004/dec/12122004/jv0701.asp
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[Oldposts] From: Music_lover (@ 203.*) on: Thu Dec 9 01:34:38 EST 2004.
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"Creativity in Science and Music"
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/dec102004/1505.pdf
Guys, if we can send a feedback to CURRENT SCIENCE, mentioning specifically IR's scientific ways of brining creativity in music, it will be nice and if published will give a great fillip to the Tiruvasakam project at least amongst the scientific community in India
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[Oldposts] From: Music_lover (@ 203.*) on: Thu Dec 9 01:35:51 EST 2004.
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and to do that, the best way is to reproduce Panneerselvam's article on IR that was published in Frontline, in 1992
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[Oldposts] From: Vazhipokkan (@ 40.0*) on: Thu Dec 9 14:17:39 EST 2004.
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It looks like Telugu MDs are cashing in recycling IR's tunes
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/article/11768.html
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[Oldposts] From: Cinefan (@ 61.9*) on: Fri Dec 10 04:57:41 EST 2004.
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The music for Karagattakkari has been released today while IR has signed a new movie called Maanidan with Meena(i think)&a couple of guys whom i couldn't recognise in the posters.
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[Oldposts] From: K (@ 219.*) on: Fri Dec 10 05:10:04 EST 2004.
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raja going to add 2 more songs in Hindi and english version of "Kamaraj" Source http://www.tamilcinema.com/
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[Oldposts] From: rajasaranam (@ 61.2*) on: Fri Dec 10 10:56:43 EST 2004.
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Finally at least one Tamil Film album for this year-2004 has been released... [Remember Virumaandi album was released last year and 'Pothuraju' a dubbed version of virumaandi in telugu and also 'shivashankar' in telugu were released this year] which proves that our King is at it again, with great Folk compositions that are going to be chartbusters in the coming days.
The album contains 7 songs in all. The details are as follows
1.Enna petha aatha - singer: Ilayaraja, Lyric: Ilayaraja
A fast paced folk number praising 'mookambigai'. The song reminds of some old IR composition and the recent KR number 'enga poi solluvaen' fro the movie ' kudaikul mazhai'. May be the tempo is similar but a very good song indeed.
2. Kaattu kili - singers: karthick, bavatharini lyric: vaali
Awesome melody based on folk music. This song is the one which will make us feel why there arent any other composer in this world to make us feel soothing when we listen to a song. Out of the world composition...
3.Otha rooba - singers: tippu, Malathi lyric: Muthulingam
Well you should have guessed it right from the choice of singers. This is a typical karakaattam song that we had been listening for years from IR. Lets move on to the next song...
4.Saada maada - singers: Vijay yesudas, Manjari Lyric: pazhani bharathi
This song is a also a scintillating melody with great interludes and preludes which will make us flow along the music, listen to get a feel of it.
5.Enga ooru laila- singers: Tippu, Manjari Lyric: Kamakodiyaan
Hmmm the song starts of with prelude making us to expect pathos with heavy percussions. Definitely the violin made me think that, but Raja from whom we have to expect the unexpected gives a dance number. The interludes and the tune are all reminding us the glorious Eighties when IR was at his composing best. Here again we can witness how much energy is left in him.
6.Kotti Vacha Singer: Dr. Lavanya Lyric: Mu.Mehtha
This is the pathos, which I was expecting, and here comes Raja with heart moving rendition ohhh it made me cry at the first hearing with apt lyric and music. The play of flute and tabla, listening to this song right now as iam typing my fingers are shaking the choice of singer is also moving
. her voice has got that old chithra feel. The title credit shows only one singer but iam able to listen to two singers voice overlapping
technology hmmm. This song will be there in my IR sad songs collection forever henceforth
7.Thanthanathom Singers:Mano, Kovai Kamala, Dr.krudaya.C.Punniya, Dr. Muthu sella kumar
A standard villu paatu telling the story of a shiva bhaktans love Story. Not much in this
After first listening my pick of the album in their rankings are
1.Kotti Vacha muthae
2.Kaatu kili
3.Saada maada
4.Enga ooru laila
5.Enna petha
6.Otha rooba
7.Thanthanathom
The orders may change after a few listening but 'Kotti vacha muthae' will remain on top forever for me
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[Oldposts] From: RR (@ 218.*) on: Fri Dec 10 11:25:09 EST 2004.
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Guys,
check out the top banner at http://tfmpage.com/forum/ for news on IR's GURU RAMANA GEETHAM album and exclusive clips.
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[Oldposts] From: app_engine (@ 136.*) on: Fri Dec 10 12:48:30 EST 2004.
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http://www.vikatan.com/av/2004/dec/19122004/av0208a.asp
...IR one among Vidyasagar's fav MD's. Looks like he worked with IR for 2years or so and got trained under same Dhanraj Master.
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[Oldposts] From: p (@ 207.*) on: Fri Dec 10 14:30:24 EST 2004.
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IR's bit song in YSR's 7G Rainbow Colony..
u can listen it here!
http://vikadan.blogspot.com/2004/12/bit-song.html
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[Oldposts] From: purv (@ 137.*) on: Fri Dec 10 15:07:26 EST 2004.
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rajasaranam, is 'Karagattakari' the name of the album you were describing?
Does anyone want to comment on 'Vishwa Thulasi'?
I thought the songs were comme ci comme ca. Only the bit songs had IR's mark on them. But then, the songs by MSV have his mark on them.
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[Oldposts] From: Qubecois (@ 198.*) on: Fri Dec 10 15:11:25 EST 2004.
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purv, are you in Canada?
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[Oldposts] From: enabler (@ 68.7*) on: Fri Dec 10 15:13:25 EST 2004.
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Viswa Thulasi is excellent need more different composing like these. Really not formulaic stuff. IR was tuning with MSV style, orchestration just right and light and native.
Great Work - to the Director.
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[Oldposts] From: vijay (@ 68.1*) on: Fri Dec 10 16:02:02 EST 2004.
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enabler, MSV composed the tunes
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[Oldposts] From: purv (@ 137.*) on: Fri Dec 10 19:21:24 EST 2004.
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No, I'm not in Canada. I just happen to know some French.
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[Oldposts] From: enabler (@ 68.7*) on: Fri Dec 10 22:09:10 EST 2004.
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vijay, i think atleast a couple of tunes are IR. Also listened to Guru Ramana Geetham - really it is a consummate work - a great divine tribute to Ramana Maharishi.
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[Oldposts] From: Saran (@ 210.*) on: Fri Dec 10 23:57:59 EST 2004.
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Hi,
Its been a very long time since i posted a message here...
Now i wanted to share the beauty of Vishwa Thulasi songs.
Mind blowing, this cud be a single line statement reg the songs. Great Lyrics, kudos to IR and SumathyRam, the director. U got to see the movie to appreciate her efforts, further. Beautiful movie to watch. Especially the photography and BGM. WOW!!
En manamae, En manamae..... It takes you to the heights of ur peace of mind. Nice music arrangements, Tune, lyrics and the singing.
Nizhalin Kathai idhu..... SPB again!!! Not a great tune, but beautiful lyrics. Again a wonderful song.
Engu Piranthathu..... Again a WOW song!!! Raaja used Tipu in this album quite often. Good attempt. Nice melody voice.
Aaya Kalaikalin..... A typical MSV song!! Nice rendering by Srinivas. The Saranam parts are bit lengthy, IMHO. But nice "varnanai"s about a girl. Kudos to Sumathy Ram, the lyricist.
Kannamma..... SPB again. A kind of pathos. Good one. Must be tuned by MSV.
Kanavilaavathu..... Pathos one. Lyrics again....
Mayakkamaa..... Again a beutiful, mindblowing melody. excellent.
Thulasi..... rendered by tipu. Vaarthai thavarivittai(SETHU) kind of song. This comes at the end of film too....
Over all, beautiful album from the maestros. Hear the songs before u go to sleep. Melliya iruttil Raajavin isai kaetpathu oru paravasam!!!!!
Saran
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[Oldposts] From: Nevis (@ 62.2*) on: Sun Dec 12 04:38:57 EST 2004.
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Saran, are your comments based on the movie or the audio CD ? If its an audio CD, do the credits identify which are IR's songs and which are MSV's songs ?
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[Oldposts] From: Robin (@ 212.*) on: Mon Dec 13 04:32:32 EST 2004.
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IR has done it again in Karakattakkari. Simply saying - Nothing But excellent
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[Oldposts] From: app_engine (@ 136.*) on: Thu Dec 16 10:37:10 EST 2004.
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It's interesting to note that this thread had all kinds of digressions for months (till a new album of IR is released)...now when one is released (karagAttakkAri), no one is bothered to use this thread but instead start 2,3 new threads on that:-)
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[Oldposts] From: eha-thread-ini virathan (@ 198.*) on: Thu Dec 16 14:54:39 ES.
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I second that.
Why can't we dicuss all IR's new album related stuff here instead of starting a new thread every time IR signs a film or releases one?
This goes for ARR and other MD's as well.
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[Oldposts] From: hehehewalrus (@ 130.*) on: Sun Dec 19 18:58:27 EST 2004.
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eden
Relive BBC's coverage of wc83 in this 25min clip:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/cwc2003/spl/past_finals/html/1983.stm
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[Oldposts] From: S (@ 128.*) on: Mon Dec 20 06:03:34 EST 2004.
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Folks,
Could someone tell me shops in Chennai where I can record Tamil Songs? (Any shop which has a pretty decent collection of the last 20 years..)
thanks.
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[Oldposts] From: Krishnan (@ 210.*) on: Mon Dec 20 08:47:37 EST 2004.
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Hi All,
There is a link which has external links to almost all of IR movie songs in mp3 format. Does anyone know that link? Please let me know.
Krishnan
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[Oldposts] From: MumbaiRamki (@ 151.*) on: Mon Dec 20 09:21:28 EST 2004.
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geocities.com/ir_mp3
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[Oldposts] From: Krishnan (@ 210.*) on: Tue Dec 21 03:38:41 EST 2004.
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Thanks very much MumbaiRamki!!!
Krishnan
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[Oldposts] From: Kiran (@ 202.*) on: Tue Dec 21 22:55:52 EST 2004.
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GUYS
WHAT DO U MEAN BY KARAGATTAKAARI ?? a female wood cutter ??
Also tell whats KARAGATTAKAARAN ??
"Sandamaada pechu kellam" SONG IS VERY NICE.......
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[Oldposts] From: MumbaiRamki (@ 63.1*) on: Tue Dec 21 23:11:50 EST 2004.
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Kiran
Are u kidding ??
Karakattam -It is a folk dance popular in SOuth Tamil Nadu villages .The artists dance with a pot on their head and dance to folkish songs ...
Karagattakaran - The male who dances Karagattam
Karragattakari - The female ""
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[Oldposts] From: Kiran (@ 202.*) on: Tue Dec 21 23:19:01 EST 2004.
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Oh i see.....
ha ha haaa...
by the sound i thought some wood cutter ha ha ha
anyway songs are very nice.....simple village melodies that we can hear many times to refresh ourselves from work
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[Oldposts] From: Vignesh (@ 141.*) on: Wed Dec 22 00:09:57 EST 2004.
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Any info. on IR's music for Kamal's mumbai express.. seems that he is composing the songs in New York. Will IR to venture into Reggae, Rock, Jazz, Country and good old opera music and fuse it with our karnatic music? That brings to this question. Is there any chance for him to think on this line. He did so for fusing western classical music with our karnatic music. Will any of the HCIRF get his feedback on this?
Vignesh
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[Oldposts] From: Venkatesh (@ 212.*) on: Wed Dec 22 08:34:28 EST 2004.
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Join my Yahoo Groups to get the BGMs of Poove Poochoodava and Pagal Nilavu.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MaestroMagic/
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[Oldposts] From: Kiran (@ 202.*) on: Wed Dec 22 20:24:28 EST 2004.
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Guys
KARAGATTAKAARAN songs are great great melodies....on repeated hearing.....
yahooo...IR put wings to my heart once again ....
HOPE DIRECTOR DOESNT KILL THEM WITH STUPID PICTURISATION JUST LIKE KONJIPESALAM DIRECTOR KILLED THOSE SONGS.......
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[Oldposts] From: Raja (@ 202.*) on: Wed Dec 22 23:26:05 EST 2004.
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Venkatesh,
"STATUTORY DISCLAIMER: These are for personal hearing only, not to be circulated. There is no commercial motive involved. The copyright vests with the Composer, Maestro Ilayaraja only."
Who are you to donate the copyright to IR..?
What about the producers ?
I suggest you to look in to this legally and then frame a proper disclaimer.
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[Oldposts] From: MumbaiRamki (@ 63.1*) on: Thu Dec 23 00:58:20 EST 2004.
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Raja
The rights of the BGM are there only with Illayraaja ,he has said in 1-2 interviews .It is also a known fact and also confirme dby him that he will not be releasing his BGMs ,atleast in the near future ..
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[Oldposts] From: S (@ 128.*) on: Thu Dec 23 01:02:33 EST 2004.
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Hi:
Today morning, in SCV, the song "Uravugal Thodarkadhai" was played. It said the music director was MSV. I thought it was Ilayaraja. Can someone clarify?
thanks.
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[Oldposts] From: S (@ 128.*) on: Thu Dec 23 01:03:34 EST 2004.
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Forgot to add the movie name in the previous post. It is "Aval Appadithaan".
thanks.
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[Oldposts] From: Ram (@ 61.1*) on: Thu Dec 23 01:40:22 EST 2004.
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S
Music is by Ilaiyaraaja for Aval Appadi than. directed by Rudraiyaa.. another famous song in this movie is "Panneer Pushpangale" by Kamal
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[Oldposts] From: Raja (@ 202.*) on: Thu Dec 23 04:08:11 EST 2004.
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MumbaiRamki,
I thought MDs cannot possess copyrights on their work in films as they sell their service to the producers..If you are correct, then pardon my ignorance..
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CONGRATULATIONS TFM forum Admins and all involved in migrating to the new DF!
Hope this post of mine get to be seen!
Krishnan
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any pointers to karakaattak kaari villup paattu song ?
(I am yet to get the cassette / CD as I am out of station now)
NagaS
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On the whole, 'Vishwa Thulasi' IMO is hands down a better album than 'Karagattakari' in all respects. This is the way I see it: the songs for the former seem to come from the composers' hearts, whereas the songs in the latter seem to come from the dogma of graamathu kathaikal, even though I still maintain 'Sadamaada Pechukellaam' is a good number.
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"Kotti vacha muthe en kuvichu vacha rathiname"...this one from karagattakari is a gem.
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Sorry to inform that all songs from karagattakaari really suck big time !!!
A major disappointment. Songs can be found in musicindiaonline.com
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8) 8)
dis is cool!!
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Is the thread alive? Or is it that I'm struggling with the new layout Hav'nt seen this thread inactive for such a long time. Where are you folks????????????
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What's new to discuss? I already given my opinion on 'Vishwa Thulasi' and 'Karagattakari.' I guess we're all waiting for IR's next Malayalam release. By the way, I hear that IR is scoring for 'Pachai Manithan,' which I hear is something of a documentary film.
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What happened to the movie Uppu by K.Selvaraj?
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There seems to be another Tamil film by name `mAnidan' bearing IR's name as MD...
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eden,you are right.it stars Meena&a couple of new guys.
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Hey, the songs in 'Ponmudi Puzhayoram' are now available at musicindiaonline. Problem is, I couldn't play the songs on my web browser. Oh well, maybe later on...
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Alright... now I'm listening to the songs in 'Ponmudi Puzhayoram.' Sadly, they don't sound too fresh; the orchestration is repetitive and cheesy (trying to sound Westernized, with overemphasis on computerized music). Furthermore, the tunes don't really offer anything new; IR hasn't used any raagas other than the hackneyed Keeravaani, Mohanam, Mayamaalavagowla, and Sudhadhanyaasi. 'Maan Kutti' and 'Naadhaswaram Ketto' are nice melodies, to be fair. But even so, the only song that really sounds up to par is the Ilayaraja solo, 'Pandathe Nadhapuram', which has some haunting violin (?) passages.
Vijay buddy, if you depreciated the songs in 'Manasinakkare,' I can't imagine you would appreciate the songs in this album, which sound even less inspired and even more formulaic.
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"Vijay buddy, if you depreciated the songs in 'Manasinakkare,' I can't imagine you would appreciate the songs in this album, which sound even less inspired and even more formulaic."
Nitya(formerly purv?), as far as new albums of IR are concerned, I have come to a stage where I dont check them out automatically aymore unless otherwise I hear uniformly good reviews from anyone. I probably listen to a song or two at the most. The last 2 years have been rank-bad for IR albums and its getting worse. Lets see what Mumbai Express has in store. But he seems to have lost inspiration in MFM too. Sad. And why is KJY and Vijay Yesudoss(who doesnt sound any better than his aged dad) being repeatedly used? Dont they have any other male voices around in Kerala?
Secondly I differ from you in that I dont consider mere usage of a rare raga as a mark of inspired work. IR could still use the same "hackneyed" ragas that you mention and can still come up with inspired numbers. If you listen to "Guru" you will see my point. Most ragas in that album have been used hundreds of times before but yet overall its a great album. So its not just the scale, overall the work seems less inspired and the presentation out-dated. The freshness present in Yaathramozhi and Guru have been missing for a looong time.
I am surprised because, for someone who is working on something as serious as TIS, I thought it would atleast reflect a bit on his filmi compositions,kind of like a mild hangover, but it hasnt so far. In fact the effect has been reverse.
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Ponmuid Puzhayoram is interesting and energetic, not bad at all. A couple of songs are vibrant, rest will take time to find favor. Exciting music composing is all about people, a certain sense of stabilty and inspiring moments. IR still has those elements around like Kamal, Tamil Maiyyam, many new admirers in foreigners, etc... Creative artistes can only achieve so much in a vacuum, to sustain that creativity further they need a lot of support....
I expect a lot of Mumbai Express, film and music. Nothing less.... (by the way, any news of Divorce / Moods of IR?)
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Vijay, that's right. I was formerly 'purv;' as you can see I've matured. Well, you're right that raaga doesn't make or break a song; I can name lots of great songs in Mohanam, Keeravaani or Aabheri raagam. In fact, in my opinion, 'Sadamaada Pechukellaam' in Karagattakari was a fresh composition (sadly the only fresh composition in the album IMHO), and that is set to Mohana raagam. 'Malargalile Aaraadhanai,' 'Malayoram Veesum Kaathu,' 'Aagaaya Thaamarai' are all great songs in Keeravaani raagam. As for Mayamaalavagowla, there are also a lot of wonderful songs, eg., 'Poonkathave Thol Seravaa', 'Madhurai Marikkozhunthu', 'Anbe Vaa Anbe Vaa', and more.
On the other hand, some songs in less conventional raagas (as far as films are concerned) such as Aarabhi, Bhoopaalam or Lathaangi or even rarer raagas not used often in either films or Karnatik concerts like Swarnangi, Champakamali (Ni3 counterpart of Malayamaarutham), or Veenavadhini can be harrowing to listen to, as these raagams certainly take some skill to handle melodiously.
So then, which Malayalam male singers would you rather hear than KJY or VY? Biju Narayanan? Unnimenon? G Venugopal? MG Sreekumar?
Finally, I wasn't just referring to the raaga of the songs in 'Ponmudi Puzhayorathu,' but also to the orchestration, tunes and overall presentation. If you feel like praising the usage of Western fusion in the songs in this album, I suggest you listen to the song 'Omane Thankame' from Ravindran's 'Mizhirandilum,' a song I feel has used Western fusion far more expertly.
Regards,
Nitya
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Nitya/Purv and Vijay,
Good discussion.. But let me look at this from a different angle ( no way defending IR or disputing your views )
"All good things have to come to an end " is a universal fact..IMHO, you guys have always looked at the high bar that IR has set himself.. But i guess it does not make any sense to expect every single album to be at or over the same bar.. It's one thing to have some expectation but comparing his every composition to the best of his compositions seems like an incomplete thing to do..
I listened to Karagaattagari songs and nothing stood out even after a few listenings.. (After Purv's comment, i am inclined to go and listen " Sada mada " song again) ..but i then I was not expecting it to be as good as Karagattakaran.. so it did not come out as a big dissappointment for me..
I have a lot of expectations for TIS and I am sure IR will not dissappoint.. But to expect Karagattagari and other mundane TFM albums to be gems, i guess is not right.. IMHO .
Then the question is - he was able to give fabulous gems for similar mundane Ramaraajan movies years ago .. Yes True.. but then that was a point in his career as he was growing or reigning the TFM.. but in my view, other than making some money or as a personal obligation to the crew involved in that movie, i do not see any motivation for him to even compose a song ..Vijay, I am surprised that you expect IR to be fresh after 850+ movies and 25+ years of FM )).. In all our admiration for his abilities and what he has created so far, we seem to forget that he too is a human and is ageing.
If you are commenting about the quality of TIS then its a different thing.. THis is one project where he has repeatedly said that he is so interested in doing it , it was his lifetime dream etc .etc and has put in so much efforts....
For example, you cannot expect Sachin to play like he used to in his prime.. You cannot expect KJY to sing Poo maalai vaangi vanthaan or SPB to sing "Ilamai ennum poongatru: again like that.. Everyone has their peak and after that it is just a matter of tiem before they fade away..
Now you would ask, then why does he accept movies..who knows-- like i said - money , personal or other reasons..
All i am saying is I am glad that he is still playing and atleast scoring a century occassionally .. Virumaandi and Konji Pesalaam will stay in my memory for a long time..
"Aathaara Sruthi " from KP and Unna Vida from Virumaandi are such a fabulous song.. I would not mind trying 4-5 albums of his to hear one /two such gems..
Just sharing thoughts guys.
CHeers
MSK
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MSK, he is doing less albums these days(less than 5 last year), so I dont think its all that unfair to expect atleast 1 great song/album and I havent gotten that so far in Karagattakaari or other movies. But the truth is I am not expecting big things out of him anymore in TFM or MFM, so anything good from him will be a pleasant surprise and anything medicore is not a big disappointment anymore. The bar has been lowered already as far as I am concerned. In fact it has been lowering for the last 10 years or so. I just thought TIS work might have had a slight hangover onto his film albums, but thats not been the case. I guess he just sleepwalks through TFM these days unless otherwise it happens to be Kamal or someone big he is working with.
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What's really a wonder to me is, why does IR insist on doing movies with ageing actors? That might make for his lack of effort in the songs... and it may be just my feelings. Or maybe, he's just plain past his prime. Too bad there's no one to take his place; his sons haven't shown even 1/5 of IR's class in the 70s to mid-90s (with a possible exception of KR's 'Dum Dum Dum'). But come to soft, melodious numbers, forget it! They haven't shown they can come up with a song nearly as melodious as 'Malargalil Aadum Ilamai Puthumayi' or 'Kaathalin Dheepam Ondru!'
But I still can't understand why he undertakes a project like 'Ponmudi Puzhayorathu' and then presents such tried and tested fourth-rate content. Come on, the style of orchestration seen in this album is synonymous to that he was doing back in 1997! Even though 'Naadhaswaram Ketto' and 'Maan Kutti' ('Pudhuppatti Ponnuthaayi' leftovers??) have some catchy moments, they're nothing new. They're synonymous to other recent IR songs like 'Iniya Nadhi' (Manasellaam), 'Vayasu Pulla' (Annan), etc., etc., etc. But the really sad thing is, it's the whole TFM and MFM industries that are seeing an altogether lack of inspiration. I got a chance to see one or two songs in 'Kaathal', by Joshua Sridhar; they're anything but fresh. Maybe this will change in the future... hopefully... hopefully...
Regards,
Nitya
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MSK,
this is what all are doing comparing IR with IR and coming to a conclusion that his present albums are not up to the mark. If at all these people try to compare IR with present genre of composers they will find IR's albums far more refreshing than these composers.
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There's some truth in that, RS. For example, I was just listening to the songs in Dancer (Praveen Mani is MD), and the songs don't even sound Indian, nor is there any real continuity in the tunes. It's really unfortunate that none of the upcoming MDs are composing INDIAN MUSIC; it seems all they can do is cut and paste (please let me know if I am wrong). Even Vidhyasagar rips tunes and/or instrumental arrangements off from other composers!
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from the time the new 'tfmpage' has come up,what's happening in this thread is a real discussion.keep it up guys&continue.i am waiting for the day when all the old posters &old times come back or am I expecting too much?
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The single important factor that has taken a severe beating today is consistency which was once a hallmark of composers like msv or IR of yesteryears. One has to sift through mounds of chaff to pick up even a stray hear-worthy song like "malargale" from Pudukottai Saravanan or "NINAITthu ninaithu" (7grc) or Vidhyasagar's "vizhiyil vizhiyil". Barring ARR to some extent, no MD's name guarantees quality. TFM degeneration is complete .Wondering what eternal optimists like Udhaya feel. Tfm buffs like me have to be contented with older songs or start looking elsewhere.
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Mythila, you could start looking at Malayalam film music; that's exactly what I'm doing, and have been doing for the past two years. Right now I am listening to the songs in the just-released 'Mayukham' by Bombay Ravi. God, it's like a breath of fresh air!
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IR's new Album for the Sathyan Anhthikkad movie (MFM) in progress, will be the one to look out for... after the award winning Manasinakkare & the earlier good KKS.
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Saagar, isn't its name something like 'Mayamohithachan' (pls. forgive me if this isn't a real word in the Malayalam lexicon; I don't know the Malayalam language)?
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Kamal says IR has given apt music in ME in cinesouth.com.
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Tamilcinema.com says Fazil is in Madras and He and Raja are busy composing music for Fazil's next Tamil venture starring Srikanth
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I just replied to Ahmed about IR and malayalam in another thread and at his prompting I listened to 'pon mudi ..".
Unfortunately, you guys are almost right about 'Ponmudi".. Not much freshness, in the tune or in the orchestration. Too many cliched phrases for instruments and tunes. ammaiyennu has a sEthu hangover, oru chiri kandaal's prelude has been heard earlier.
Still, I think the album is good, but no Kochu Kochu Santhoshangal beater. One good thing is, I see IR confidently using the drum machine and the orchestration especially wrt rhythm programming has no rough edges and the whole song gives the feeling of IR having done it patiently and confidently. This is usually not the case with certain tamil releases. Using the drum machine and not resorting to tabla is a must for being commercially viable these days. IR has been consistently using the drum machine in malayalam effectively to back his melodies. So this is a good development (including the use of electronic bass).
It is quite one or two songs from ponmudi will be popular hits.
Unlike you guys I dont expect major hits from IR in every consecutive album. The reasons are numerous. But I am unable to listen to other MDs (I mean newer) work. I go back to older albums of IR.
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The new mallu movie from IR is 'Achuvinte Amma'. The album is about to release.
All IR fans, forget abt 'mayamohithachandran'. The film will never see daylight, for its almost 2 years after its completion.. And our IR songs will also go unnoticed..
Between, 'oru chiri kandal' from 'Ponmudippuzhayorathu' is a good number in Mayamalavagoula.. To add on to the countless songs given by IR in this raagam..
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kiru wrote: |
I just replied to Ahmed about IR and malayalam in another thread and at his prompting I listened to 'pon mudi ..". |
kiru & others: just a quick tip. On this new DF, it's possible to link to specific posts! How to find this link? In Full/Default view, each post will start with a small 'document icon' and the text 'Posted.... <the date time info>..'. Right click on the small icon and 'Copy shortcut'. That will be your link! You can use it anywhere you want to refer to a specific post. You can even use it as a hyperlink from remote sites (e.g personal home pages)!
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When I went to Riyadh last month, I had to watch "Kochu Kochu SanthoshangaL", because the other tamil movie in the flight was not working. So I thought of watching only the songs / picturisation and skip the others, (ofcourse, I don't understand malayalam, especially when the actors speak very fast
But I must say, I was pulled into the movie within the first half an hour or so. Its a plain story, regular (read as 'sentimental' ) scenes / dialogues, no fancy attempts wrt picturisation of songs, But the screenplay and the performance of jayaram and kavya madhavan (?) was really good, I enjoyed the movie a lot - not only for IR's excellent songs / BGM.
NagaS
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Help Please
What is this latest(?) Malayalam album by IR.. I bought the cassette in India without knowing the movie name and it does not have the title written in English on the Label.. All i can read was Directed by " Johnny Esthappan " i guess.
Any clues..
MSK
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MSK,
it must be "Ponmudipuzhayoraththu" - its director name is "Johnson Esthappan"
NagaS
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Guys,
I am just catching up on IR's Mal Albums.. Dunno when these 2 albums were released.. and I am sure you guys have discussed these already..
#1. Manasinnakinare : This one has 4 really really good songs.. I liked the " Nellaiyonnu paadi " , "Thanga thingal ", "Chellakanne " and " Marakizhayil " songs..
Asha G Menon ( dunno if she is a new singer or a popular one in MFM ) has sung a couple of these songs and I would say she has done a really good job. The humming in the "Nellaionnu " song is awesome guys.. Especially the Pallavi line " Kannil ulla oru oothave and Chundil ulla siri maarathe " - I got hooked the very first time..
If you have not listened to these pls give it a try. 4 out of 5 are really good. The fifth one is not bad too.
#2. Ponmudipuzhayoraththu ( Thanks Nagas ) : This one I have just started listening this morning.. IR and Vithu Prathap have sung a few songs..And Bhavatharinin too. Except for 2 songs nothing stood out in the first go.
I will write more on this album after a few more listens.
Anyone know when these albums were released.
Cheers
MSK
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Hmmm..I am still getting used to this new format of DF and my new Opera Browser.. My apologies for multiple posts..
MSK
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Guys - I recently listened to the full version of Vivaldi's Four Seasons -
Oh, boy! the latter portion(s) of Spring is rich in emotions and IR pretty used his strings to bring out emotions in a similar fashion !
As I was listening to Vivaldi, the music invoked and stoked emotions I have not known before - something that only IR music has done to me before
and again, I happened to watch 007's "Live and Let Die", released in 1973 - a comic caper based on Ian Fleming's novel of the same name - featuring Sir.Roger Moore as 007, the film has a catchy title song, rendered by Paul and Linda McCartney and the group Wings -
I beleive such a song is quite popular even now - IR can compose something like this in his sleep -
How i am pining to listen to TiS
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When TiS audio will be released?
Can anybody tell?
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BM's next movie 'adhu oru kanaakkaalam' is finished - dhanush mentioned it in his interview on suntv, may be the album will be released soon !
This is BM's first 70 MM movie
NagaS
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NagaS,Is that movie also slated for a April 14th release?I hope not,the kind of movies BM makes needs a free run without competition from a Rajni,Kamal,Vikram&Vijay.
BTW,when is the music out,IR generally gives fantastic songs to BM.
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I have much expectations on 'Athu oru kana kalam' album.
After virumandi what a long gap.
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Previous issue of India today praises YSR as a young talent.
Current issue of India today praises IR as a legend.
But the only 'varutham' is IR is not placed in front page. But YSR was in front page on previous issue.
Thanks for India-Today
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Cinefan wrote: |
NagaS,Is that movie also slated for a April 14th release?I hope not,the kind of movies BM makes needs a free run without competition from a Rajni,Kamal,Vikram&Vijay. |
You are right, But I think Dhanush mentioned it as an 'april release' only ... Not sure !
But if we think practically, If the film shooting is over, may be post production works will be for next couple of weeks (assuming IR doesn't go to a foreign country for BGM ), and film should be ready by feb end. Why they should wait for 6 weeks to competete with dhanush's maama and other stars ?
NagaS
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Hi Nagas,
Info Please ..Is " ManasinnaKinare " Audio CD available in B'lore. Please let me know .. i will be in B'lore next month and would like to get one.
Thanks
MSK
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Lot of announcements but no releases yet. What happened to Mayamohithachandran, Divorce etc.?
Here is another new one, a Tamil remake of a Malayalam hit "Kasthuri maan"
http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/livewire.asp?n=lohitha29.txt
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MSK,
cry_sandiego wrote: |
Info Please ..Is " ManasinnaKinare " Audio CD available in B'lore. Please let me know .. i will be in B'lore next month and would like to get one. |
Yes, it is available in music world and planetM - you will see IR's big picture on the front cassette cover itself, you can't miss it
NagaS
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Hmm, very interesting, IR's music in tamil only (not for the original I suppose) and JayaMohan as dialogue writer ... I am interested in watching this movie for more than one reason(s)
NagaS
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Another link for Kasthoori Maan
http://www.dinakaran.com/weekly/tamil/arangam/2005/Feb/01/kasth.html
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NagaS, you are right by asking why anyone will wait for 6 weeks to release a completed movie&get into unnecessary competition but generally producers shy away from releasing a movie in Feb/March because it's exam time(expect for Engg/Medical students)&so the main audience for films(esp for a movie like this )will have more imp things on mind.If at all it's an April release,they should release it by that month end when the results of the new year releases will be out.
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wow ... thats neat logic - you must be a producer cinefan
Who knows ? Dhanush may think his movie should be released along with rajni, kamal, vijay, ajith, vikram etc., because he is also in that 'level'
NagaS
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here the another IR new movie under production which will realese in hindi, malayalam, telugu and tamil "twinkle twinkle little star"
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=13659898
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Naga,Solla Mudiyathu Dhanush appadi neneChallum Aacharyam illai But 2004 was a flop year for him professionally&BM has 34years of experience in the industry.I really hope they think practically instead of trying to prove a point.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/moviewallpapers/7256.html
'Athu oru kana kalam'-Wall papers
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/review.php?cid=2428
Review of Sathyan Anthikkad's 'Achuvinte Amma'with Urvashi as Amma&Meera Jasmine as Achu.It's says IR's music does not create an impact.
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"Review of Sathyan Anthikkad's 'Achuvinte Amma'with Urvashi as Amma&Meera Jasmine as Achu.It's says IR's music does not create an impact."
Since Kochu Kochu santhoshangal IR has'nt been alive in MFM. I wouldnt be surprised if Achuvinte amma was a dud too like his previous 2 albums
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CIneFan ,
Iam surprised by this comment - AA has teh best song IR has composed by raaja in teh past 10 years - The best !!!!!
However teh album as a whole ,ye si agree it si snot teh best - But that song by Yesudas and Manjari is out of the world !!!!You can see the 1980 s raaja !!!
hera it on http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/20/s/movie_name.7726/ ( Swasthin Thaalam)
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CInefan ,
Enna solreenga
Friends and Manasiknnare were big hits in Mallu .....
Manasinkaare - IR got the Mallu award for that !!
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Hi Nagas,
Thanks. I already have the Manasinnakinare casette. I need the CD. do they have the CD.
THx
MSK
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Guys, the more I listen to Vivaldi's compositions, the more I get the feeling that, more than Bach, it is Vivaldi with whom IR has been greatly smitten with love !
or is it perhaps both Vivaldi and Bach come from the Baroque period of classical music ? !
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"or is it perhaps both Vivaldi and Bach come from the Baroque period of classical music ? !" in the above posting should read as 'or is it perhaps because, both Vivaldi and Bach come from the Baroque period of classical music?!"
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cry_sandiego wrote: |
I already have the Manasinnakinare casette. I need the CD. do they have the CD. |
Let me check MSK - I am not sure now ...
NagaS
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Guys,
Any idea when Adhu Oru Kanaa Kaalam cassette will be released?
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http://www.thatstamil.com/specials/cinema/cassete-review/karaga.html
'Karagattakkari'-Music Review
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Thanx for the link cinefan,
the review was refreshing
i happend to watch a song from 'Achuvinte amma' in kiran TV today the song went like this 'thaamara kuruvikku thattavidu... the song was great to listen
The comment by the VJ after the song over was more refreshing to listen ... it went something like this 'Eee chitram all over kerala super hit success aayi... chitram kaana theatre vandu janangal ticket kittamal thirichi povaam, thrichi vandu thirichi poi thirichi vandu... ithae nadannu all over keralavilae.. .
i understand malayalam perfectly but not able to reproduce it exactly:-( but he meant the music and movie is big hit and a roaring success all over kerala
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Why are the janagal going to Trichy?
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IR's new movie is
Kasthurimaan (direction by mallu director logidoss)
starring meera jasmine
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"IR's new movie is
Kasthurimaan (direction by mallu director logidoss)
starring meera jasmine"
Isn't there already a movie by the same name that released no more than two years ago? It's one of the best, if not the best soundtrack of MD Ouseppachan since 2000, I might add.
In regards to 'Achuvinte Amma,' which I don't reckon I ever commented on thus far, the songs (I believe there are only three original ones) definitely sound better orchestrated than those in 'Ponmudi Puzhayorathu', but in the way of freshness, not much of an improvement.
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Folks,
Achuvinte amma is very good. Probably not completely fresh (as Nitya points out) as after 4000 songs, it is probably getting very difficult for IR to come out with a new phrase or probably this is what makes a creative process a creative process..it is like a sport..you need to be skilled, motivated and energised, but still your performance is not guaranteed.
Again, this does not beat Kochu kochu ..that album had two fantastic fresh groovy numbers and two classical numbers. This one has two good melodies, and one fun song which is kind of not that fresh.
People should just listen to this album, because each song has an intro by the director who refers to IR as , "shri ilaiyaraaja' once and once as 'raaja sir'. In the Intro, the director, plays the tune making sessions. You can see IR getting the tune, backing orchestration and even a bit of lyrics all together one shot (maybe after a few tries, but all come together). IR sings 'snehathin' which the lyricist goes for 'shwasathin thaalam' but he does use it as 'snehathin pookkaalam' later one. IR starts off with 'maina kuruvikku' which gets recorded as 'thaamara kuruvikku'. The director says, he picked 'enthu paranjyalum' out of 3 tunes. These tune setting sessions are really fascinating. Check out the album.
BTW, tamil is a beautiful language, our current state of lyrics in TFM never give this impression. Listen to the related malayalam souding so poetic..just like the way tamil lyrics should be..
swasathin thaalam thennal (thenRal) aRiyumO poonthennal aRiyumO
mounathin naadham veenai ariyumO madi veenai aRiyumO
mazhai nanaincha poo marangal manasu pola pookkugaiyo
mozhi marantha vakkugalal kavithai ..paadugaiyo
snehathin pook kaalam....
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Nithya,
The malayalam film 'kasturimaan'is being remade in Tamil with Meera jasmine in the title role&Lohitdas as director being retained from the original.
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13664872
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Kiru,
Shwasathin thalam is a very very fresh tune. For this song, I liked the playing of tune in IR's harmonium very much than even the song. He played a different rhythm in harmonium. Does Thamara kuruvikku song has any mappla tunes as claimed by the director? I could not find.
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who was the MD of 'kasthuri maan' in Malayalam ? What abt the songs ? Story has scope for good muzik ?
NagaS
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Has anybody listened to 'The Elephunk Theme' by Black Eyed Peas?
Neat remix of Enakkum Unakkum from Sree raghavendra!
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Nitya wrote: |
"IR's new movie is
Kasthurimaan (direction by mallu director logidoss)
starring meera jasmine"
Isn't there already a movie by the same name that released no more than two years ago? It's one of the best, if not the best soundtrack of MD Ouseppachan since 2000, I might add.
In regards to 'Achuvinte Amma,' which I don't reckon I ever commented on thus far, the songs (I believe there are only three original ones) definitely sound better orchestrated than those in 'Ponmudi Puzhayorathu', but in the way of freshness, not much of an improvement. |
NagaS,the above quote should answer your question.
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Cinefan,
technology-layae adikkaReenga Thanks
NagaS
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Naga
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Kiru,
I have the same impression about Malayalam lyrics.. YOu could see very few non-mallu words ( i mean english ) and it makes the song so native and authentic. unlike the tamil lyrics .. I do not know abt non-IR Mal albums in this regard. But i always find MFM albums of IR to be very good in lyrics..atleast to the extent i understand Mal
On a side note, Even in regular Mal conversations say on Surya /Kairali TV etc, I see the anchors using very few english words compared to the thamil kaavalrgals in SUN and other tamil channels.
Cheers
MSK
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Hi Nitya,
No offense meant.. What do yo mean by saying the songs are not fresh. I guess are you looking for a scale that has not been used by him before or a creative way of handling an already used scale or something in orchestration or using new/traditional instruments..
Just curious .. From a layman's point of view, i thought when you say fresh, you do not get reminded of another song when you listen to it. For ex, the moment i listen to a Deva /SAR song, there is a very good chance that before i get to the second interlude, my mind starts searching the database for a old song that matches exactly..
Cheers
MSK
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"For ex, the moment i listen to a Deva /SAR song, there is a very good chance that before i get to the second interlude, my mind starts searching the database for a old song that matches exactly.. "
MSK, thats the way I felt about all songs in Kaasi and some of the recent albums. The feeling that you have already heard it before. Its not just about using a new scale or rhythm pattern. Even using the same raga that he has done several times before he still came up with fresh tunes for Yaathramozhi/Guru and to a certain extent Kochu Kochu santhoshangal. The overall presentation(which was fresh in those albums) is missing in almost all of his recent albums. For example "Piraye piraye" resembles Puththam pudhu poo poothadho in more than a few places. Another song "thalaattum kaatre( a harharan number from some film) resembles mayiloram mayile and so on. You can sense a distinct lack of inspiration in his works, especially if you have heard his music long enough and have a certain sense/feel for his style of music and for music in general.
I havent listened to Achuvinte amma yet but Ponmudi Puzhayorathu and Manasinakkare were duds mostly.
Karagattakaari is pretty medicore stuff. Deva could have come up with those tunes in his sleep. In fact in the mid-90s Deva was actually giving better tunes than IR. One shouldnt be doing films like this at this stage in his career. I am disappointed that IR still accepts movies like this.
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Vijay,
Lack of inspiration -- I agree. But i do see a reason for it and i have said that before.. so let us not get into that again
I also agree with Ponmudi Puzhayprathu.. But I was pretty impressed with Manasinnakkare.. atleast 2 songs were really good.. - Mellaiyonnu and Thangathingal Vaanil - atleast i could not see them as re-hashes..do you think so.
Cheers
MSK
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IR's salary is Rs 1.5 million. But for Mumbai Express Kamal has paid IR a whopping Rs 2.5 million.
http://www.dailythanthi.com/cn/cn_home.asp?issuedate=2/8/2005&secid=2
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crvenky wrote: |
Kiru,
Shwasathin thalam is a very very fresh tune. For this song, I liked the playing of tune in IR's harmonium very much than even the song. He played a different rhythm in harmonium. Does Thamara kuruvikku song has any mappla tunes as claimed by the director? I could not find. |
Venky, I do like the song. No, I am not listening to Deva .
I think IR is playing the same notes as with the harmonium, but he added some counterpoints. Maybe, you dont like the single note harmonies which are played on the synth keyboard, for the first few lines of the pallavi. The orchestration is done fully using the synth and style wise is very similar to niRam piriththu in time.
The song though reminds me of some MSV tune (during the charanams) , even the first interlude seems like that.
IR goes to extremes with anything, he is using full electronic sounds in atleast one song in a movie. The approach seems to be that of Enya and Vangelis - push the limits of electronic sounds in a composition. The idea is not to give a different flavor of a real instruments, but actually a different sound for a note. In this song, notice, the single note harmonies and the "wow, wow" sounds.
(Another eg. oLiyilE therivadhu in azhagi has an pure acoustic counterpart in the BGM, very western classical sounding. I wish I heard that kind of sound with the song).
(I mention Enya because I see direct references to Enya in KR - IR's collaborators work).
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'thaalaattum katRe' ? are you talking abt the song by shankar mahadevan in the movie poovellaam un vaasam ? that was by VidyaSagar.
Reg., IR's recent albums, I have a few points (purely my opinion, I am not trying to prove anything here )
1. If he does karakaattakkaari kind of movies for that 1.5 million rupees, I think we can't say its wrong. Afterall, its good money with less effort / time and he is using his 'fluency' that he developd all these years to finish such albums fast and earn something - whats wrong ? are we going to pay him that 1.5 million if we object him picking those songs ? (Its like jayamohan writing vasanam for a kaathal movie, or balakumaran writing for manmadhan
2. Even if we are talking about 'freshness', I think something should be there in the movie to inspire the MD, if the movie is good and the music is not upto the mark, we can say IR failed - to my knowledge, whenever there is a 'challenging' script, IR gives his best and there is no doubt abt it. From the day he became a 'notable' MD of TFM, tll date, Even in the last few years, I don't remember an instance, where the movie had scope for good music and IR gave second rate songs ! He always tries his best and obviously, he is not getting Sindhu Bairavi / GuNa kind of movies everyday !
3. I am expecting a lot from Balu Mahendra's 'Athu oru Kanaak kaalam' and Fazil's next movie.
NagaS
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NagaS wrote: |
'thaalaattum katRe' ? are you talking abt the song by shankar mahadevan in the movie poovellaam un vaasam ? that was by VidyaSagar. |
NagaS, ithu adhigam.. I think vijay is referring to the Devan song.
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hihihi ... antha 'thaalaattum kaatRe'vum avar sonna tune maathirithaanbaa irunthathu (Enakku meesaiyae illai, So maN ottalaiyaakkum :->)
NagaS
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NagaS wrote: |
3. I am expecting a lot from Balu Mahendra's 'Athu oru Kanaak kaalam' and Fazil's next movie.
NagaS |
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13666900
More on Fazil's next movie.
Even I am eagerly awaiting the music for the two movies Naga has mentioned above.As for 'Mumbai Xpress',I am more interested in the movie than the music&also at the reception it will have at the BO(esp in Hindi)clashing with all the biggies.
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Cinefan wrote: |
As for 'Mumbai Xpress',I am more interested in the movie than the music |
Ditto and I will be happier if Im proven wrong by IR
NagaS
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Yes Naga,I won't complain if IR gives good music to the film but somehow you feel it's not the kind of movie which warrants an outstanding musical score.
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"If he does karakaattakkaari kind of movies for that 1.5 million rupees, I think we can't say its wrong. Afterall, its good money with less effort / time and he is using his 'fluency' that he developd all these years to finish such albums fast and earn something - whats wrong ? are we going to pay him that 1.5 million if we object him picking those songs ? (Its like jayamohan writing vasanam for a kaathal movie, or balakumaran writing for manmadhan"
Nagas, neenga solradhu, "what is wrong in IR doing bad albums, he has a right to do it"nu sola maari irukku True he has a right to do whatever he wants for that matter. As a fan I am expressing my opinions/comments/sentiments on his products, thats all. I am not demanding that he shouldnt accept such movies.Its his right after all. I am just dissapointed by his decision. I thought I was clear about it in my previous post.
"Even if we are talking about 'freshness', I think something should be there in the movie to inspire the MD, if the movie is good and the music is not upto the mark, we can say IR failed"
well my stance is, if the movie doesnt inspire him to do good music, then why does he accept it in the first place, especially at this stage of his career(when he has done 800+ movies and has already earned a lot of money). Its obvious that he is doing it just for cash and nothing else like you said and thats what is sad (Its bad work ethics as well when you get paid 15 lakhs and dont give your best). There are instances of this happening even as early as 1987 but thats a different issue.
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"Even in the last few years, I don't remember an instance, where the movie had scope for good music and IR gave second rate songs !"
NagaS, thats true for every big MD since the 40s..not just IR But IMO Pithamagan and Virumandi, both good films, had very average songs. Re-recording was probably good. MagaLir mattum was another Kamal production that had horrible songs.
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Vijay dear,how can u just call music in movies like Virumaandi and Pithamagan average!!! that was a bit too much.For instance the 'karumathoor kattukkulle 'song from virumaandi,who else can compose such a complex piece of music elaborating a legend as auhtentically as Raja.The 'Elangaathu veesude' is melody that wafts like a cool breeze,i havent heard such honest and innocent melody creation for a long time,something tamil film music has completely lost since the last 7-10 years.Maybe the definition of above an average song is something else these days...is it 'appdi podu podu' or 'manmada raasa'??if the 'onna vida' song from virumaandi was sung by anyone other than kamal,history would ve been different.Talking about 'magalir mattum' which was a laugh riot(that was the intention i believe) had no scope for serious compositions and raja gave exactly what he was asked,copmletely comic yet a cut above the usual cacophony.Almost all the songs had 3 dimensions repreasenting the 3 protagonists..i donno what makes it horrible.The tape released by AVM audio was of very good quality too..normally i used to get very bad copies from AVM those days like Pavithrans I love India and kamals Magaraasan
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NagaS wrote: |
.. he is using his 'fluency' that he developd all these years to finish such albums fast and earn something -
NagaS |
NagaS, my friend, you disappoint me.. Is this the conclusion learned posters of the forum have come to about IR doing folk albums like karagAttkAri ?
"using his 'fluency'" - Did anybody of you ever think, that he is just trying to maintain his 'fluency'. Just because he is a Maestro, he does not need to compose ? He is a genuine musician. Like he says - 'ovvOru notum ennOdathu'. He needs to do quite a bit of songs before he comes up with a new style/technique.
Compositions means 'string of notes' - the notes should flow smoothly -- aruvi pOla - as IR would say .. that is what you get in IR's composition, even if it is not fresh. Again, what is 'freshness' ? Dont we eat idli, sambar daily ? But we dont compromise on the quality of it, isn't it . That is why we go to this restaurant called IR !!!
karagAttakkAri is considered bad ??? Come on..some people dont even get past the first few lines, having put off by the beats !!! If you listen past the first two lines, you will see IR in the tune !!!
If somebody does not know, these are the dance beats of our land..go to any temple festival you know..You want these musicians play hip-hop on their thArai, thampattai, thavil, urumi etc ? And if somebody does not compose for these instruments, what will these country musicians play ? Buy a rhythm machine and learn how to program it ??
Do you think a composer who can compose for a full western classical orchestra, would ever allow his name to be put on an inferior composition, even for just money ?IR has the 'garvam' pride in his art that he would do a song with just folk drums and say yes, put my name down as the 'music director'. He knows, other MDs know, how difficult it is to get the flow.
(BTW, NagaS, please dont take it personally, I just took this opportunity to address this whole 'disillusionment' with IR's new albums)
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Hmm.. spoken like a true fan(atic). I am not sure how many here who talk about IR's pride, garvam etc. have heard albums like Yuga Dharmam, Krishnan Vandhaan etc. even in the 80s or Rajasthan, Thodarum etc. in the 90s. IR himself has gone on record saying that he cannot compose inspired if directors keep coming to him with the sams situations, indirectly justifying his uninspired compositions. This is a statemnent he made in the mid-80s itself. And guess what? After 20 years he is still composing for those same situations and hapless films, only this time around the tunes too sound the same like it did 20 years back As for using folk percussion instruments etc. my response is IR has been there and done that.
Karagatakari isnt bad because it uses folk percussion instruments or folk rhythm, Karagatakaari is bad because it is plain unimaginative. Grinding the same old flour. Idlies and dosas made with really old flour No freshness in tunes either. For people who disagree I would ask them to listen to IR's own compositions from some late 90s MFM albums to gauge the difference in quality.
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"Talking about 'magalir mattum' which was a laugh riot(that was the intention i believe) had no scope for serious compositions and raja gave exactly what he was asked,copmletely comic yet a cut above the usual cacophony"
ahmed, MMKR was a laugh riot too and look at some of the songs in that album. Even Sathi leelavathi was a little better. To me Magalir mattum was just sheer cacophony and worse, an aging SJ trying to sing in different voices was too much. Maharasan was a disaster but the movie didnt deserve anything better.
Regarding Pithamagan/Virumandi, the songs were OK but nothing special that we havent already before save for perhaps "adada alangaara". Kamal and IR singing together was againa bit too much. I liked the Shreya Ghosal songs and thought Onna Vida was overrated (popularity probably because of its picturization and the movie itself)
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vijayr wrote: |
Hmm.. spoken like a true fan(atic)... |
Keep things technical..not personal.
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"Keep things technical..not personal."
Applies to the following comment as well, doesnt it?
"karagAttakkAri is considered bad ??? Come on..some people dont even get past the first few lines, having put off by the beats !!! If you listen past the first two lines, you will see IR in the tune !!! "
Its very obvious who that "some people" refers to here
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Speaking of Yugadharmam, I have heard three of the four songs in that album. I was swayed by the movie title to believe that the songs would be classical or semi-classical, and guess what? The songs are just your mundane 80's filmi dappanguthu songs, unimaginative to say the least.
Vijay, I'm not hugely enthusiastic about the songs in Magalir Mattum either-- the songs sound just sketchy. I'm sure there are other DFers who will actually enjoy these songs, because even the cheesiest songs will find admirers.
Regards,
Nitya
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By the by, you guys may notice that I sound less enthused about IR's new albums, posting much less than when I carried my 'purv' name. That's because I'm moving on; I'm appreciating the gems of MSV and those of Malayalam MDs like Ravindran, Ouseppachan, Devarajan, etc.
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Nitya/purv
Good for you! Best of luck!
Keep us posted on Devarajan and MSV's malayalam melodies, albeit in a separate thread.
Meanwhile, deteriorating trend in IR's music is something enigmatic. I felt that even when he was in his peak, he used to compose 'so-so' songs for ordinary sangili murugan movies. He is a stream and sometimes it comes in torrents and in other times it comes in a trickle. We have to learn to appreciate whatever that comes. This applies to all creative personalities. Keep appreciating the best. No point in being hyper critical or hyper appreciative.
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Jaiganesh,
Good points. Just like when we are critical or show our lack of enthusiasm it is important also to post positive things when you like somethings in somebody's work. Songs like niRam piriththu parthEin in time or enna solli pAduvatho have no comparable songs in other MDs work. These are a real innovation from IR. That is why I mentioned in my post that it takes IR quite a bit of time, to evolve a new style/techniques. If you listen to particular window of time, you can IR using the same techniques.
Also, I feel even if something is not fresh, IR's caliber shows in the tune itself.
BTW, a song is made up of rhythm arrangement, sandham, tune, scale/raagam and lyrics. Freshness can be brought about in any of these aspects. Usually, it is mainly the rhythm arrangment and sandham which immediately strike people as 'not-fresh'.
Sometimes, even if the first four are not fresh, just with good lyrics, one can get a song to be a hit.
In yugadharman there is one song, which is actually a version of another hit song. In magalir mattum, I think I dont have any problem with the tune or arrangment, it is mainly the lyrics which messes up. Even then there is one very good western classically orchestrated song.
Purv,
I think your inputs on new albums are highly appreciated. You mentioned the raagams of kaaragAttAkAri which helped me understand why they dont sound fresh. This is the kind of input that I think this board will appreciate.
It looks like you are very classically inclined so zero in on the scale quickly. To me sandham, rhythm arrangments, orchestration also help me appreciate a song. The malayalam MDs seem to be very good in tunes but there is orchestration skills are not to my liking. Even in achuvinte amma, the harmony notes and counterpoints are very good.
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Nitya, talk about freshness and one thing comes to my mind.
In malayalam, for majority of movies all the tunes by various MDs were compulsorily carnatic based. I could hear no folk element in many movies. If at all a song would move away from carnatic base, it would be like Doordarshan Jolly abraham style of light music. I can listen to thousands of malyalam songs by Ravindran, Johnson and still find it difficult to say who composed what. They all sounded the same! This is not to mean as an insult, all songs were slow, same tempo, singers who had the same voice (KJY, Jeyachandran, MGSreekumar were all in the same sonic scale. Thank GOD we had SPB opp KJY). In fact after watching Poo vizhi vaasalile, my uncle got the film's malyalam original to see how it was in malayalam. It had mamooty for Sathyaraj , baby sujitha was the same there too, Babu Antony was there too. Two differences(barring hero). Raghuvaran and Ilayaraja. The difference was striking. I felt as if the malayalam movie had no soul! Maybe i had too much of IR in my head at that time. Still, the difference was striking in every single frame of that movie.
I felt the same when I saw 'Dolee sajaa ke rakhna" remake of Aniyathi piraavugal/Kaadhalukku Mariyaadhai. The climax was a big let down. Maybe there the trouble was also with the director, but the difference in emotional impact certainly palpable and striking. Here is a movie in whose climax scene, in a theatre, many grown up men were controlling tears, and its remake I am seeing, they are ready to run out of theatres!! Get ilayaraja a good script and a more 'visual' movie and see what he does. Why should he do 'karagaattak kaari'? Well, someone falls at your feet and begs you to compose so that some publicity could be fetched for selling the movie, what would you do? Is there anyone else who could do this 'genre' of music (village folk) ? Get someone then we can be hypercritical of his decision to score such movies.
To really please modern music fans who are happy to buy one mp3 pirated CD containing all latest songs, one music director has to have a rock number, a reggae number, one gaana/kolai kuthu , one melody enough! Movies like karagaattakari can have only one type of music, village folk songs, melody or kuthu, they have to be set in the same pattern. IR has been doing such songs for eons, just that we have moved to the pattern mentioned above. He does not compose for car stereos my friends.!
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Well said jaiganesh,that was a very good post.Your comments on MFM was something very similar to what I have always felt.Every body in every industry has something called obligation which needs to be fulfilled.When you work for that&the team has given nothing to inspire you where will outstanding music come from.i don't believe IR does music for movies like 'Karagattakkari'only for money.Also he has been around for 30years,has composed for 1000+ films(I hope the figure is close to reality),it's given there will be a decline in quality.I for one never expect to see the IR of the 75-92 again.What needs to be done is evaluate his work now without comparing it to his earlier works.VirumaaNdi&Pitamagan were excellent/rousing compositions.I cannot understand how anyone could call it average.As jaiganesh rightly pointed out the diff between Kathalukku Mariyathai/Doli saja ke rakhna was Fazil/IR&Priyan/ARR.The BGM for the climax in Tamil was also one of the reasons for the tears which flooded the eyes,the other being the director.
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Keep us posted on Devarajan and MSV's malayalam melodies, albeit in a separate thread. |
Jaiganesh,
This thread may interest you:
http://www.forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=875
Nitya pitches in once in a while..
kiru,
for carnatic aspects of IR,
http://www.forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=1677
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Kiru/JaiGanesh,
I agree with you guys.. Art is a creative thing.. it is not a science or engineering where you can churn out picture perfect products every single time and achiver iso9000 standards..
Music ( and so is any other art ) is so spontaneous that there is no way you can expect consistency.. it is very subjective and depends on so many factors.. it is just today's world that people are making money using art for a living....( there so many things in today's world like that .. Get the best poet in the world and ask him to write one song a week . Pay him any amount of money and send him to anywhere he wants and give him anything he wants.. do you expect you are going to get a amazing poem every week.. C'mon let's be reasonable..
I think Vijay and others ( with due respect ) expect so perfect - like a Honda manufcturing line where every V6 engine that comes out the line meets all standards - Even there you have recalls once in a while..so imagine composing a song
So if an album of IR is not considered good by many - the album does not sell well and the audio company and IR ( if he has royalty arrangements ) loose the deal.. As a simple as that.
Who are we to say that it is unethical for him a this stage to accept good movies/junk movies for money.. if you do not like an album just don't buy it....
And also just to vent our dissappointment with some songs in some albums it is very unfair to cricitcise some of works that have been acclaimed by most.
Vijay ( again .. no offense meant ) , i guess you were so dissapointed with karagattakari that you are venting to the extent to call Virumaandi and "Elangaathu Veesuthe " as average..
By any standards, even by a worst IR critic, it does not make sense to call " Ilangaathu Veesuthe " average....Infact Vijay says Manasinnakare was a dud ... I am listening to that tape in my car for the last 2 weeks and I still enjoy " Mellayonnu Paadi " and Thanga thingal Vaanil.. I am hooked.. It sounds as good as any of his gems ..
When i listened to " Ilangaathu Vessuthe " i was so impressed that i set the repeat mode for a few days in my Car player..
Well.. just like creating an art is so spontaneous, the way one enjoys or hates or criticises that art is even more subjective.. So what I am so impressed with some songs.. Vijay calls them a dud..
But my honest opinion is that - yes the # of gems per album/per year has definitely come down .. But what the hell do you expect out of a 60+ year guy who has done film music to death.. achieved every thing he wanted and still enjoys creating music.. Leave him alone.. .. if you do not like his albums.. just say so and move on to something you like..there is no point in arguing why is he signing up albums like karagattakaari etc.why at this stage of his career. none of our biz.
Vijay, ( and again no offense meant.. ) .. Clearly you have a disspointment in IR's albums.. But seems like you expect one fine day IR to come up with an album to meet your IS9000 expectation.. get real.. it is not going to happen.. it's only going to get worse.. Move on.. We will let you know when he composes a real gem -
The truth of the matter is looks like IR is the only one who comes atleast anywhere near your expectation.. otherwise you would not be in this forum .. instead you would have been in ARR's/Deva's/Vidyasagar's new albums or other threads..
Sorry Vijay, for quoting your name.. I have real respect for your taste and in fact in the mid 90's you were the one who told me about many IR mallu albums.. Until then i never listened to any mallu songs and for me the next best thing to listening to IR's music is listening to his MFM's..
Anyway, for those of you who have not listened " Manasinnakkarre " , please give the songs a try.. I am sure atleast some of you will be hooked to the songs.. .
I am looking forword to "Athu oru Kanaakaalam" and "TIS" .. And i would not care if they are very average or duds. i will not probably add to the " best of best " playlist on my iPod, but will not get dissappointed..
Sorry for the long post guys..
Cheers
MSK
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Kiru,
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BTW, NagaS, please dont take it personally, I just took this opportunity to address this whole 'disillusionment' with IR's new albums) |
Thanks for your post ... if you read again, I never said 'karakaattakkaari' was bad - I have the CD with me and I listen to it almost everyday - I took the comments of some forumers that IR is doing avg albums, and I was arguing whats wrong, even if he does it for money !
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Just because he is a Maestro, he does not need to compose ? |
again, I don't mean it that way - my argument was that, even if he does an album just for money, finishes all the song tunes in 20 minutes and leaves the rest to Karthik Raja or somebody else, how can we say its wrong ? Just a few years back I read IR is in financial trouble (in a way, VM recently indicated that in his kalki interview), and may be he is trying to come out of it ...
Take vairamuthu himself, When IR decided not to use him anymore, he was forced to write vasanam for some telugu dubbing movies etc., Now after 15+ years, what do we remember ? his songs with IR, his songs with ARR and other MDs, not the telugu dubbing vasanams he wrote ... just because he did that, we can't say he disappointed or insulted tamil kavinjars - isn't it ?
May be I am not able to explain clearly, But I am not against IR or I feel IR's recent works are bad - I love each and every song composed by him, and respect him for what he is !
NagaS
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Yesterday, I was watching Crazy mohan's interview in RajTV's Urvasi programme. When asked, what he considers as his best dialogue, he said that the dialogue he wrote for Apoorva sagodharargal, where Srividya puts appu down in front of everyone. He said that at the time of writing the dialogue, he didn't feel much about it, but when picturised, the delivery of Srividya, the close up of Kamal and to complete it the music of IlayaRaja completed the feel, adding manifold impact. He said it is one dialogue of his, which made him cry. He credits, Srividya, Kamal and Ilayaraja for making a normal dialogue into something very specal and worth remembering. This is the talent of Ilayaraja. He might not top the charts everytime, but whatever composes operates at a level much deeper emotionally. All chart toppers (including YSR's) operate on only one level, soon they fade off. The music that stays with us are very few, like the melodies of MSV in Paasamalar and Baagap pirivinai and the phenomenal music of Raaja in Udhiri p pookal, mullum malarum, moodu pani, Nandu, metti, Poo vizhi vaasalile. paapayude swandham appoos (Snehathin .. theerathil naan nilkum neram will make you cry, u don't need to know malayalam for that).
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http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/news/illayaraja-10.html
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IR doing muzik for few kannada movies ? anyone with more details ?
What are the other movie projects he is working on now ? (only active projects please !)
1. Adhu oru kanaak kaalam (BM - Dhanush)
2. Oru naaL oru Kanvu (Fazil - Srikanth)
3. Mumbai Express (Singitham Srinivasarao - Kamal)
4. Maanudan (Nivas, Meena)
5. Twinkle2 Little * (MFM)
6. 1+ Kannada movies ?
Not sure :
1. Cheran's movie with Vijay as hero ?
2. Bala's next movie ? (Why he is giving so much gap in between his movies ?)
3. ??
NagaS
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Nagas,
I heard of another Mal movie Balaraman (*ing Mohanlal) and the forthcoming two movies of Webgate company.
Source: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/malayalam/810/
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thanks crvenky,
any other movies in tamil ?
NagaS
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Dear Jaiganesh,
Regarding your Thoughts on MFM - Malayalam had always stuck to melodies.. Very Rarely (During the golden days), it has swung to Disco mode. It had very talented MDs like Devarajan, Raveendran, Johsnon, sharath, Ouseppachan etc etc. One reason why you were not able to distinguish between the styles is malayalam songs rarely have a rich orchestra (Due to cost and other Factors). Thats where Ilayaraja and Vidyasagar stand out in MFM. But being an ardent Malayalam Music Lover, and a great fan of Raveendran, im quite comfortable in identifying the stamp of Raveendran and Johsnon in their songs. I would like to differ to the opinion that malayalam didnt had any folk oriented songs. In fact they had, and they will out number the pure carnatic numbers.. Johnson was a real master in creating folk numbers (Melle Melle, Anuraagini, Kannaadikkayyil, Chandanacholayil). Raveendran had an extraordinary talent of mixing Carnatic Music into light music. One should realy go for his light music albums like 'vasanthageethangal', 'ponnonatharangini' etc. They are folk-oriented as well as Carnatic In nature. Still i believe that though degraded over time, Malayalam still occasionally produces very good folk-oriented songs..
We always enjoyed the occasional visits of Ilayaraja, Vidyasagar, Salil Chowdhary, MSV, KVM etc, who also has given good heart-haunting melodies with a native flavor, though they had their unique stamp over them.
Its very easy to rate 'Ponmudippuzhayoram' as average, because we(his fans) always tend to compare him with his own old songs. But i feel compared to contemporary Malayalam songs, the one song 'Oru Chiri Kandal' definitely was an outstanding one. Ilayaraja stamp is there to make you feel it.
But i do agree that the album is way behind from 'Manassinakkare' or 'Kochu Kochu Santhoshangal'
Nkv
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Those who are interested in Malayalam Music Discussions, pls join
http://groups.yahoo.com/malayalamfilmmusic
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Kannada movies??????I don't know of a single Kannada movie for which IR is composing music.
Naga,Kasturimaan is another film with IR's music,marandhateengala,tech-le ungala adicheNe
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cinefan,
thanks for ninaivoottal
NagaS
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Cinefan wrote: |
Kannada movies??????I don't know of a single Kannada movie for which IR is composing music. |
Me too ... and I thought KFM is not that open, when it comes to other states' actors / technians, So I am surprised to hear that IR is working on more than 1 kannada movie
His latest kannada movie was 'usire' I think, not a big hit, atleast to my knowledge !
NagaS
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Dear nkv,
As I said , maybe I was too biased to IR. Since you knew the folk in MFM and you follow MFM more closely, you are able to pick out. I apologize if I have stepped on a raw nerve of some one. I really do. I thought that we were getting too critical of IR in this thread and some vague terms were being used , like 'freshness', 'innovative' etc., What I feel is IR has been doing so called 'ordinary' music from a long time. We see it strikingly now since his volume has come down. Earlier of 30 movies he does, there would be 20 good movies (or atleast standard), the so called ordinary movies would be forgotten by fans and critics. It just does not apply to IR alone, Even the great Sivaji acted in countless of sub standard movies (according to many). Why did he do that? No one knows why, he just did. Since we don't know why he did, how can we analyze like some geniuses. We simply look at ARR and YSR and say, "look they dont commit to many movies, why does IR not to do the same?" . Who can answer this question? I say I will take any movie IR composes, even if he gives me 2 to 3 melodies, I will take it coz it will have some traces of the 80s (so called lack of freshness). That is what I am looking for and that is why I loved Virumaandi as an album. 'Kombule poovai suthi' simply took me back to 80s. Thats enough for me. I will take it anytime for digitally arranged, commercially purchased loops pasted in a computer.
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" What I feel is IR has been doing so called 'ordinary' music from a long time. We see it strikingly now since his volume has come down. Earlier of 30 movies he does, there would be 20 good movies (or atleast standard), the so called ordinary movies would be forgotten by fans and critics. "
jaiganes, this is what I was talking about earlier. Thanks for catching the drift. Atleast you see and agree that he had composed rather ordinary tunes even in the past. There are a couple of people here like Kiru, who take the stance that nothing composed by IR is bad and each and every song is great. This is the kind of stance that befuddles me everytime.
Nitya has agreed with me on some of the observations about Yugadharmam and other hapless albums of IR. There are many such albums even in the 80s. I dont have anything against IR's recent TFM albums except that that they are nowhere near his own recent best from MFM. I have also given examples of albums that I have liked so its not just criticism but just my way of expressing disappointment over his recent uninspired works.
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Digression:
nkv & JaiGanesh,
I kind of agree partly to both of your postings...nkv surely has a better understanding of MFM...However, I can't accept his observations on Johnson - he is an imitation fellow / often a copy-cat, much like Deva...OTOH listen to the melodies of Bombay Ravi, some of the best music ever heard in IFM...
I lived in Kerala from 86-2002 and would definitely rate the music of 86-90 much superior to majority of the later (in terms of melody, soul & orchestration)...They had real uniqueness / maN vAsanai...even when adopted from successes elsewhere, they were localised pretty good, while the later ones are sounding more of imitations of the trends in other states...even movies are no different, with some exceptions, becoming more of rehashes / predictable / stereotypes...Just compare Mohanlal's Chitram or veLLanakaLude nAdu with Balettan / recent ones as an example:-)
Even the highly successful music of `thenmAvin kombathu' by Johnson had songs each of which reminds you of some old song from TFM...I can't compare him with Ravindran, for e.g. who could produce music like that of HH Abdullah...
End Digression
IR has always done well in MFM ( I didn't have a chance to hear the later ones like KKS -though I got this cassette to ship to friends in U.S., never listened to it-, and ManasinakkarE or others, the last one I heard was Friends which had the beautiful sivamallippoovE, lovely kadal kAtRil ninnum and another sweet KSC solo plus an average thankakkinA), often with commercial success of movies too. Unfortunately, his best for MFM weren't big commercial hits (Guru, kAlApAni)...Hope he gets to create some semi-classical stuff for the forthcoming MFM projects...I don't think he did much semi-classical stuff in MFM - mostly folk, light or fusion....
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cry_sandiego/MSK, you dont have to get so upset at that fact that I didnt like a few recent IR albums Cheer up. I was just expressing my opinions. If you enjoy Manasinakkare or Karagatakaari so be it. How does it matter to you or anyone else if I didnt like it? And BTW, regarding Pithamagan/Virumandi, I wasnt just venting my frustrations as you have mentioned. Those are my true observations of the albums. 1 or 2 good songs in an album doesnt make the whole album great. If you think I am all criticism, then you have missed the examples that I have given of IR from MFM.
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"though I got this cassette to ship to friends in U.S., never listened to it"
eden, I did Surprising that you shipped it but didnt listen to it yourself. Anyways, a late thanks if I had forgotten to mention it earlier. Kochu Kochu santhoshangal had a couple of inspired numbers from IR , several notches above the average stuff that we heard in TFM for the last 15 years.
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For someone new to IR's MFM stuff my honest recommendations from his fairly recent works would be:
Guru, Yaathramozhi, Friends, Kochu Kochu Santhoshangal, Kaliyoonjal
along with assorted songs like Kadhirum Gothi/Virahamaay(Man of the match), one Chithra song(Adharvam?) etc. for starters..
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You're welcome, vijay!
It was a time period when I didn't seem to have room for any recreation...I've very recently located an Indian store run by a Keralite in Sterling Heights and found a lot of Malayalam stuff...hopefully can spend some time now over MFM:-)
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Ilayaraja plays a different role in TF as a screenwriter. His movie has a budget of Rs. 20 Million. The title of the movie is "Sripart Rajamani". Since it is a heroine oriented subject they are in search for the right fit.
The title itself invites a big disaster. Who would risk this project?
http://www.dinakaran.com/weekly/tamil/velli/2005/Feb/11/chips.html
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Vazhipokkan,
You got it all wrong. It is NOT Sripart Rajamani - it is Sripart SINthamany.
That should make all the difference:-)
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Vijay,
I was not upset at all .. just giving a different perspective to your oft ( for want of a better word ) repeated view that his recent albums are not as good as his old gems or whatever.. I never claimed that each and every composition of his is GOOD.. If i like it i like it.. if i do not i don't get dissappointed considering all the other factors..
In my opnion, Acclaims can be long , detailed.. But criticisms shd be short to the point of being non-existent...And again nothing will remain good or best for ever ( that applies to everything in this world )
Anyways if you interpreted my post as being upset ..sorry that was not the intention.. just sharing thoughts..
CHeers
MSK
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Is this a sequel to Rajapart Rangadurai?
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MSK, point taken
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MSK, I wish I had your patience and cool. Fortunately, NagaS, did not get offended (nice guy ).
Folks, I have almost first hand information that IR does these so called 'average' movies mainly to keep in touch with the industry and his 'spontaniety' in shape. Youthful subjects are sent in the way of YSR, even some serious ones are shared with Karthik (eg. Ivan). As Jaiganesh mentions, it is a not lie or propaganda that there are people 'begging' him to do certain movies (ofcourse, with very less salary). Even for ivan, when Parthiban approached him, IR jokingly mentioned, "neenga thaan periya periya music directorellAm vechu padam pannareengalame, en kitta En vandheenga". Somehow Parthiban, gave the classical music excuse to get him to compose for him.
So after all these eliminations, you get the movies like the ones we have.
Re: expectation from new albums and allegations that I consider every album/song of IR great, please see my review of achuvinte amma -
"Achuvinte amma is very good. Probably not completely fresh (as Nitya points out) as after 4000 songs, it is probably getting very difficult for IR to come out with a new phrase or probably this is what makes a creative process a creative process..it is like a sport..you need to be skilled, motivated and energised, but still your performance is not guaranteed.
Again, this does not beat Kochu kochu ..that album had two fantastic fresh groovy numbers and two classical numbers. This one has two good melodies, and one fun song which is kind of not that fresh. "
Now decide for yourself whether it is balanced or not. am not sure what or whether I even wrote anything about karagattakkAri earlier. I brought it up, because it was being 'trashed'. We can criticise the song but I think it is not right to attack IR, with unpleasant insinuations.I
You can see my view of recent songs in the above review. My stance is IR has done so many songs..that it will be very difficult for us to see freshness in them. Tunes are - been there dont that. Work is now in orchestration techniques. That is why nowadays I look for innovations in orchestration. Like I said, niRam piriththu and enna solli pAduvatho are songs that I appreciate for this reason. Songs are a format that has been beaten to death by IR. This is the reason, IR needs a bigger canvas like BGM or full fledged western classical compositions to work on.
Unfortunately, his interest is not in line with the tastes of indian audience, songs like in Guru, are not necessarily well-received. But personally, I feel that is the direction IR should go (and he is) as we need to integrate indian melodies with a big orchestra. This will be a wonderful and precious heritage from IR.
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this was your original comment :
"Do you think a composer who can compose for a full western classical orchestra, would ever allow his name to be put on an inferior composition, even for just money ?IR has the 'garvam' pride in his art ...."
I didnt post the entire comment but you were essentially saying that he just CANNOT make an inferior composition. Every song of his is superior in some way or the other. To me, thats about as naive as someone can get.
I too have first hand info on how IR doesnt bother to give his best(except in his first few years) for certain movies which do not have a big banner or director/actor. Uninspired and unimaginative. And a few learned posters here like Nitya have agreed with me on albums like Yugadharmam, Krishnan Vandhaan etc. There were many such albums even in the 80s. No one is expecting a hit out of every album, but with certain albums its painfully obvious that IR hasnt worked hard on it at all. In the (g)olden days when the overall work ethics/standards were higher, MDs used to work hard on each and every single song they did. (IR did it in his early years). They never used to accept 40 movies a year and end up working hard on just 10 good albums. The percentage(of good songs) was much higher in the 50s and 60s.
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eden, it was the Berny-Ignatius duo that composed for 'Thenmavin Kombathu.' I never seriously listened to any of their compositions as of yet.
'Enna Solli Paaduvatho' has the same meter as 'Alli Alli Veesudhammaa' by GA in Athamaaga Rathiname, and is also not orchestrated as well as the latter song, although the melody is fairly pleasing.
"I too have first hand info on how IR doesnt bother to give his best(except in his first few years) for certain movies which do not have a big banner or director/actor. Uninspired and unimaginative. And a few learned posters here like Nitya have agreed with me on albums like Yugadharmam, Krishnan Vandhaan etc."
But vijay, didn't Krishnan Vandhaan have Sivaji Ganeshan and Mohan, neither of which name requires deep digging into the archives of Tamil Cinema? Other than 'Oru Uravu,' I haven't heard any Krishnan Vandhaan songs.
On another note, you guys say that Malayalis don't use that complex orchestration. I agree with that to a certain extent. But then, listen to some early compositions of Sarath and Ouseppachan, and even some recent compositions of these men. Even Johnson has given interesting, albeit not extravagant orchestration in some songs, synonymous to MSV.
Folks, lavish orchestration doesn't always make a song worthy of hearing, not any more than a rare raaga usage. It depends on the overall presentation, as vijay noted earlier in this thread.
That's all for now.
Regards,
Nitya
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Nitya wrote: |
Folks, lavish orchestration doesn't always make a song worthy of hearing, not any more than a rare raaga usage. .. |
Agreed,
But Nitya, indian classical music and western classical music are two different schools of thought. I would characterise indian classical music as linear and western classical music as 'concurrent' ie. in indian music, notes are slid/dragged. In wcm, notes are played in parallel.
It is a matter of taste/culture to prefer one over the other.
IR is trying to present icm in a wcm presentation. It is not just 'lavish orchestration' as you would say. Just access to a big orchestra does not guarantee lavish orchestration. Actually, in the niRam piriththu song, it is all done with keyboards. So you can do it for cheap. (Maybe, one reason malayalam songs of IR are heavy in synth). It is the harmonies/counterpoints in IR's songs that I find it interesting. I too enjoy MSV's songs, mainly for the melody. (It is interesting to compare the 1975 hits LP with a 1985 hits LP !!) But he did make a beginning on the WCM orchestration which IR has continue.
Can you elaborate why enna solli is not well orchestrated like the other song ? Any references to where I can listen to it online ?
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Kiru sir ,
I thought teh strings for teh Nirma Pirithu are live !!!
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"Endhu paranjaalum.." from Achuvinte Amma resembles "Pacha malai ppovu.." from Kizhakku Vaasal... Infact, you can fit one song in to the tune of the other..Just try and see
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http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2005/february/110205a.asp
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
Kiru sir ,
I thought teh strings for teh Nirma Pirithu are live !!! |
Ramki,
It is quite possible. I was told by a friend who said, the recording engineer for Time was proud, that they used various western classical instruments for this song. Later, my friend, who prefers real instruments, was dismayed to find they were all played from the synth keyboard. I just assumed all instruments were synths.
You probably knew that a 60-piece orchestra was used for enna solli. It was a news then.
But if you compare the sound of enna solli and niram piriththu, I have a suspicion that the niram piriththu's songs even strings are too 'clean' sounding to be real instruments.
Most of the time, I am told, IR's keyboardists accompany real instruments. This is to add more 'body' to the sound. So this makes it difficult to tell at times.
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About 'Enna Solli Paaduvatho's orchestration, maybe it was I didn't know that this song had a 60-piece orchestra as a backdrop-- this is news to me!
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60 piece orchestra va ..Koncham DOubta thaan irruku ...
Let me listen to the song and see what possible instruments are used ...
Prelude - Flute ,Strings
First Interlude - Strings
Second Interlude - Strings ,some wood instruments ( 2)
1.Violin1
2.Violin2
3.Viola
4.Cello
5.DOuble Bass
6.Bass Guitar
7.wood Instruments -2
FYI ,for teh kudaikul Mazhai this is the set Karthik Raaja used -10 violins,5Violas, 2 cellos and 1 bass for the movie
COnsidering that ,i intuitively feel that the interludes of Enna Solli Paaduvatho should have used atleast the double the amount used in Kudaikkul Mazhai ....and also if u add second violins ,possibly 50 piecer-orchestra quite possible
Enna Solli is really a master piece ..i think for some time raaja stopped teh technique of using a string harmony for teh charanam - This song it was full fledged orchestra backing ...
( i remember when one composer was proud of using 60 piece orchestra for BGM - I think it is not the usage but teh composition which should be beautiful !!!)
I think lot of us expect raaja to use strong orchestra pieces in songs with strong bass etc ....and probably raaja sir has reduced teh usage of orchestra in 90 s .....Kadhaluku mAriyadhai did not have even one interlude with orchestral piece - except ananda kuilin song ( it cld have been synth too )
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I bought IR's Isai Amudham and a CD of IR's collections yesterday. Before doing that, I was giving a listening to Karagaattakkaari. I would say that for a film which no one knows whether it would get released, it is too good. I revised my opinion on Karagaatakkaari album. Barring the last Kovai kamala song, all other songs are extremely listenable and "FRESH". I reiterate "FRESH". There was no song that resembled, "Appadi Podu", "Thathai Thathai.." or "Fanaaaahhhhh". Which means, IR is still the only MD who doesn't rely on loops or tracks that have resemblance to any sound which is not his own creation. If any one feels the use of shrilled flute, melam, urumi, thavil and naadhaswaram to be repetitive, then the music can be termed stale. But simply generalizing the feel of an album and saying it is not fresh is purely relative and biased. "Kotti vecha muthe" is as good a melody you can expect to hear in any film album. "Kaattu -k- kili " is another melody which keeps revolving around and rond in my mind. "Ennap petha mookamba" is a song, which again keeps coming up every 10 mins to me, particularly the way IR sings fast "Andamum undaakki, mannurundai aakki adhil enakkum unakkum idam kodutha mookaamba". If there are no prejudices against IR's voice, then it is a throughly enjoyable song. "Saada maada" is yet another delightful song, simple melody and soothing voice of Vijay. On the whole a throughly enjoyable album, definitely has an effect of transporting to a village.
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Jaiganes,
It was a nice knowing someone else who is enjoying "Karakattakari" album. I Second your opinion abt Freshness too. I dont know what these people like vijayr expect in the name of freshness. They would wish to change our 'oppari' and 'Thaalatu' in the name of freshness. and God it is here existing for the past 2000-3000 years. These people will accept when One MD will come, change the tune of 'mangalyam thanthunaa...' to sound yuppie and dont mind the essence of the whole sacred chant being lost, which is here from time immemorial
Atleast we happen to be on the same side of league who know that there are somethings which should be kept intact for eons to come and even then it will be fresh for us:-)
And what is this 'Isai amudham' you are talking about where did you get this?
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Jaiganes,
You missed out the song 'Enga ooru laila' . try to listen this again though the lyrics are not good the song is great treat with nice sarnams and Interludes. The Album on Whole reminds me of a complete album of Raja like one in the Eighties. After 'kaathal saathi' this is the album iam enjoying on the whole.
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/13179.html
BR&IR together again?
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But will they shine again..?
Both are out of their peak
May be VM should also join..
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IR's next film albums
BM movie
Kamal movie
Fazil movie
Logitdas movie
&
Karakattakari
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Ramki,
I am not sure whether it was 60 maybe 40 or 50. But I am very positive that it made news because of the size of the orchestra. I even remember a picture of IR with the orchestra behind.
The recording is not that great for this song.
IR has strings backing for many songs, especially in the later half of charanams. But in this song the flutes, cello and rest of strings are tightly interwoven. You will not find a parallel to this song in other MDs repertoire, past or present.
This kind of melody and chorus singing like 'undhan rajyathil yaarum' are developments of the 90s and later.
Re: raja_fans' post "both are not in their peak" . It is all a matter of perspective. I do not like the older 'hits' of IR that much anymore. (eg . andhi mazhai). For eg. in kanna unai thEdugiRen, there is a oor urangum nErathil. This is a very pleasant melody. But IR can do this in sleep. I am looking for tight, interwoven orchestration with indian melodies (like in Guru (mal) or the song under discussion).
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rajasaranam,
Personally, I dont mind MD's experimenting with different ideas, even if it sounds revolting at first. I enjoyed that experiment in AP.
I second your/jaiganes's views on karagattakkari. I especially liked "enna petha". Even though this rythm has been used umpteen times by IR in his earlier songs, I can't stop listening to it. This is also an IR triplet (music, voice and lyrics). I love this combination. The views in this song are something he holds close to heart, so it was a heartfelt performance.
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RS
The cassette i bought was "Ilayarajavin Geethanjali", a devotional by IR. It is an old album and the recording quality(or reproduction quality) is not all that good. But still, the spirit of the album is undeniable. The other CD I bought was "Ilayarajavin Payanam vol 1 and 2". Good collection of old IR songs and more recent IR songs(90s). I bought it because it had some songs that most of the albums do not have like "Meenkodi thaeril" and "Thullithirindhadhoru kaalam" .These are some melodies I have been hunting for to listen to in good quality. I am hooked to this CD like anything. I had picked up Isai Amudham by IR another songs medley, but forgot to put in the basket. As deepak put it, irrespective of the number of violins or instru's, it is the feel that IR is put behind a song that makes it special.
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Friends!
I strongly encourage you to buy this album which is a collection of melodious songs by Ilayaraaja. The album has discs, one more older works of raaja and the second more recent works of the maestro.
Songs in Disc 1.
1. Annakili unnai thedudhu
2. Sendhoorap poove
3. Kannan Oru kaik kuzhandhai
4. Aayiram Malargale
5. Poongadhave thaal thiravaai
6. Siru Ponmani
7. Chinnap pura ondru
8. En Kanmani En Kaadhali
9. En Iniya Pon nilaave
10. sendhaazham poovil
11. Ilamai enum poongaatru
12. Vizhiyile malarndhadhu
13. Meenkodi Thaeril Manmadharaajan
14. Aerikkarai Poongaatre
15. Mounamaana Neram
Songs in Disc 2.
1. Kaadhoram Lolaakku
2. Chinna Rasaave
3. Nilaa kaayum neram charanam
4. Valli Valli ena vandhaan vadivelan
5. Dhoori Dhoori (from innisai mazhai)
6. Naan yaerikkarai melirundhu
7. Aalolam Paadi
8. Amma endrazhaikkaadha
9. Oru naalum unai maravaadha
10. Muthu mani maalai
11. Endhan Nenjil neengaadha
12. Inji Iduppazhagi
13. Oh Butterfly!
14. Thulli thiridhadhoru kaalam
15. Ellorum Sollum Paattu sonnene unnai
All unbeatable melodies sung by singers with clear Thamizh diction.
Enjoy the album!!!
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Sanjeevi
U have missed some movies ...
1.Manidhan by Nivas
2.AThai Thingal Nilavil by Balakrishnan
3.Cheran's movie after the current movie .
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Add 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' and 'Balaraman' - two mallu movies of IR coming up
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Hi,
You can hear Maestro's masterpiece BHARATHI from my Yahoo Groups.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MaestroMagic/
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Summa
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Anyone got access to the complete story?
http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/21022005-2.shtml
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Normal man,
Even I was wondering if there was anyone who had the whole article,pch I doubt if we will ever get to read the whole news.
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I didn't get access to the full news item, But I can say one thing - we can't always believe in what cinesouth guys say, I have observed that most of the times they make news items from other magazines like vikatan etc., and shamelessly use them as their news items, the only thing they do on their own is adding pictures ... (For example, check the news about vijay getting worried about simbu, thats taken from vijay's interview in this week's vikatan) ...
So I won't be surprised, if they do such news item (abt IR's retirement) for paraparappu, or for driving new people for subscription ...
NagaS
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Naga,
I agree with you completely.There was a time a couple of years back when this site used to have original&most importantly accurate information but these days they just copy from Kumudam,Ananda vikatan,Kumkumam&other sites.
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IR retiring ?
In his TIS press meet, he told films will go side by side with these kind of projects..
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cinefan / other tfmdfers in bangalore,
Today, did any of you notice a kannada poster with IR in top right corner ? It may be a new movie releaseing today / a new movie starting today ... I saw it in a bus stop and before I could see it further, my bus started, ...
NagaS
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Naga,
Haven't noticed it.let me check out.
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Karakattakari will be released on March 4.
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Guys, dont know where to post. Some information about Hindustani Ragas & their Carnatic counterpart.
http://www.asavari.org/ragamala.html
Just thought it will of some interest to you guys.
thanks
Krishnan
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http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/25022005-4.shtml
IR&ARR along with vidya sagar have scored music for Arivumathi's songs on the Tsunami tragedy.
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kaNgaLin vArththaigaL
http://music.msn.com/album/?album=39568365
does any one know when this movie was released and who acted/directed this movie.
the sree rAmanE song is really good!
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p,
"Kangalin Varthaigal" is a dubbed version of "Nammoora Mandhara Hoove", a Kannada movie released about 5-6 years back! Music (by IR) of this kannada movie was a big hit in Karnataka (more specifically Bangalore I guess)
There are many IR songs where the chorus arrangements and the effect it produces when listening have amazed me. One such example was the second interlude of "Alli Alli" song.
Krishnan
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Krishnan,
I have heard the songs in my college days and was recently searching for the songs without knowing the movie name..Thanks for reminding the name..
Btw,..I am not able to hear the songs from musicindia due to some codec problem..Is there any other site to hear the songs of this movie..( kannada or tamil ) ?
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raja_fan,
i have the song CD of 'NAMMOORA MANDARA HOOVE' shall i rip them and send it to you?
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http://www.telugucinema.com/c/stars/manirathnam.shtml
Interview with Manirathnam-says IR is a legend&a genius.
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http://www.hindu.com/mp/2005/03/02/stories/2005030200630100.htm
much elaborate in 'theHindu'
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Kangalin Varthaigal songs are available in Coolgoose.com
Please do a search and get it. Off hand dont have the link...
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"Ilayaraja is legend and genius. Rehman is wizard and sensation.
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Did Mani really say this ?
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"Ilayaraja is a prolific music-composer, who comes up with amazing tunes instantly and does his re-recording in just half-a-day. His grasp of music has astounded me always. Rehman is a music wizard in his own way."
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/interview/6258.html
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kiru,
the report on Hindu is even more interesting - Mani considered working with ARR a `culture shock' (coming from a working environment with IR)
My interpretation of this - IR delivered Mani's expected results (or better) with professional ease , in exceptionally quick time frame while ARR had to be pushed, motivated, polished etc. for months and months before he could meet the Mani criteria:-))
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Further reading between the lines:
Mani plans to drop songs altogether from his forthcoming movie...says the report
Can it be this way? (BTW, NOM to anyone:-))
He can't go back to Raja now after all the bad-blood his elder brother created with IR during the JJ-thudhipAdal era and he can't wait for ARR eternally either - what's the point, in any case the ARR song is not going to jell with the story line, it'll be like a music video inserted and an aberration in any serious movie and waiting for that forever is vexatious)
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Or, all these could be another marketing gimmick by Mani, who is adept at that...
...should check how many of IR's movies are in the DVD collection...konjam hype vENdAmA?
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eden,
interestingly, none of the Mani-IR movies released now in that DVD collection. why?
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crvenky wrote: |
eden,
interestingly, none of the Mani-IR movies released now in that DVD collection. why? |
I think the movies Mani has released are all produced by him.Unfortunately he had split from IR by the time he started producing movies on his own.
Dig:Kannathil Muthamittal is being screened this Sat at 5.30pm on Sun.I fell in love with the movie when it released in 2002,will definitely see it again.
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eden,
i think the rights of all the movies of mani-IR combo will be with Raj video vision
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"it'll be like a music video inserted and an aberration in any serious movie and waiting for that forever is vexatious"
He's gotta wait if he wants a crossover taste to his music. You can't sell the music of Mouna ragam, Pagal nilavu or Nayagan up up up North.
IR-MR was an awesome combo in Tamil, ARR-MR is for a much bigger audience.
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Kangalin Vaartahigal was a remake of NMH. I think Vikram starred in it with the producer's son playing the more meaty role!
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Cheran's next film with Vijay..IR's music ??
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/tamil/1660/
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IR is going to score music for his 1000th movie and it will be directed by his nephew (Pavalar Varadharajan's son)Homosho (Japanese or what?)
http://www.dinakaran.com/weekly/tamil/velli/2005/Mar/04/chips.html
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Just 1 to 1.5 years back, I remember hearing the count as around 850-900...am I right? Has so many of his movies come out since then?
Anyway, for IR, a legend, completing 1000 movies will be another feather in his cap (if he still has some space left out in his cap ). I hope he will make the music of his 1000th movie a memorable (and/or something like a landmark) one. It all depends on the scope of the story aswell. I think "Anjali" was his 500th movie and even now when I listen to "Anjali", I feel its so different & amazing in every way (orchestration, arrangement, etc). Hope the best.
BTW, what are his 100th, 200th, 300th....900th movies? Any ideas?
thanks
Krishnan
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100 - Moodu Pani
200- Aayiram Nilave Vaa
300 - UdhayaGeetham
400- Nayagan
500- Anjali
600- Thalapathy .??? _ not sure on this one..
700- ?
800- ?
900- ?
1000- ?
Can anyone give more info....also quite interesting that all the centuries happened on tamil albums though he was doing a significant # of Tel/mal those days..
Cheers
MSK
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400- Nayagan
500- Anjali
600- Thalapathy .??? _ not sure on this one..
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I think Nayagan was 300th not 400th.
Also note that these landmark movies were with Manirathnam..
So IR should do his 1000th film with some top class director, not with his Machaan, maamaa etc..
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nayagan was his 400'th...
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350 - Amman kovil kizhakkale
800 - Usire (Kannada)
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I think 250 was "naan paadum paadal"
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BTW, did you guys see this?
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/7094.html
Contains video clippings from the lauch of TiS (TbyIR)
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krish244 wrote: |
p,
"Kangalin Varthaigal" is a dubbed version of "Nammoora Mandhara Hoove", a Kannada movie released about 5-6 years back! Music (by IR) of this kannada movie was a big hit in Karnataka (more specifically Bangalore I guess)
There are many IR songs where the chorus arrangements and the effect it produces when listening have amazed me. One such example was the second interlude of "Alli Alli" song.
Krishnan |
Krishnan
Thanks for the info on kaNgalin vArththaigaL / Nammoora Mandhara Hoove
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I've been seeing quite a lot of hype for s few movies like Mayavi, Chandramukhi, the last few weeks.Nothing has lived upto hype so far. Eagerly waiting for ME. After a long time IR has a tamil new year release for a big banner. I still have not heard anyone talk about the cassette release? Hope this movie has songs! And is properly marketed, as it has a national audience.
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12bums,
not one, he has two ... mumbaix and athu oru kanaak kaalam
NagaS
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Good news on MumbaiX songs:
from Kamal fans site:
After twelve years Illayaraja and Drums Sivamanai joined together for a song of Mumbai Express. Sivamani said he has done a different music and the song has come out very well.
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Hi Venky
Can you let me know the URL of the Kamal fans site
Thanks
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Speaking of Sivamani,
I was fortunate enough to do an interview with Sivamani last year for a local TV.
He was all praise of Raja in that interview. But during the interview, I could sense he resented the fact that Raja in later days opted to use elctronic rythm machines etc over natural drums.
I am gald to see they are working together again.
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Dear Sathish,
You can subscribe to: kamalhassanfanclub@yahoogroups.com
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NagaS wrote: |
12bums,
not one, he has two ... mumbaix and athu oru kanaak kaalam
NagaS |
I read somewhere that 'Athu.........'(the film)will be released in May.
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What Happened to IR's WORLD TOUR ???
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raja_fan wrote: |
What Happened to IR's WORLD TOUR ??? |
IR utpada,ellorum maranDacHu-nnu nenaikkarein
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Cinefan wrote: |
raja_fan wrote: | What Happened to IR's WORLD TOUR ??? |
IR utpada,ellorum maranDacHu-nnu nenaikkarein |
Inconsistency is dominating in recent news about IR
The best example is his world tour. First they anounce something...then they forget..including decisions on TIS !
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An interesting Q&A from Kumudam with Nayanthara (chandramukhi actress)...
Q : How do you speak Thamizh so fluently? (The actress is from Thiruvilla, Kerala)
A : By listening to IR's songs only...(They are very close to her...also certified by Fazil etc.)))
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Superstar Rajnikanths next movie will be produced by editor Mohan. Rajini is said to have expressed his desire that Ilayaraja should score the music for the film. However, the maestro has declined the offer citing differences with the director K.S. Ravikumar. Therefore, the producer seems to have approached another of Rajinis lucky mascot, Suresh Krishna. Watch this space for more.
Source : www. behindwoods.com
How far this news is true ???
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somebody changing director because of IR ? I am NOT believing this !
NagaS
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Naga I too find it hard to believe. Bcos Suresh Krishna also has a problem with Raja (or vice versa?) I think.
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All rubbish news yaar !
Always these people create some news on Rajini trying to pull IR and everytime it is going false..This is happening from the days of Padayappa..
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Even I don't believe it,Rajni&IR are not on the same wave length or at least that's the impression both of them are giving.
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Guys !
Hope you all heard Chandramukhi songs ! VS has lifted many music interludes from IR's previous folk songs, particularly in "Athinthom" song..
This shows Rajini has pressurised VS to come out with IR like music..but miserably failed
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chandramuki is available on net somewhere ?
NagaS
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Nagas,
available on musicindiaonline
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Thanks raja fan
NagaS
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Behindwoods says Raja has finished composing for Oru Naal Oru Kanavu by Fazil.
http://www.behindwoods.com/News/9-3-05/fazil_kanavu.htm
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As ventured by raja_fan, I am also of the opinion that VS has been mandated to recreate the IR/Rajini era kind of music. I wouldn't go to the extent of saying he 'lifted/copied' but would surely say he has followed IR's style to the hilt in atleast 2 or 3 songs. The orchestration and rhythm arrangements are easy give aways.
(Man..Asha and Madhu what a disappointing contrast in pronounciation ..all the efforts of Madhu in singing are totally wasted. Unlistenable).
I own the VCD of Manichitrathazhu. All songs in it are very good, especially the tamil one. But I cannot say the same about chandramukhi (was the old bharathanatyam dancer swarnamukhi an inspiration for the name ?).
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13691099
More on Fazil's 'Oru Naal oru Kanavu'
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More on "oru naal oru kanavu" ...
http://www.dinakaran.com/weekly/tamil/velli/2005/Mar/11/kanau.html
(I was curious abt who is handling the lyrics department in this movie, Now its fazil - IR's fav. Pazhani bharathi and good old vaalee !)
NagaS
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Nagas,
Translation please !
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IR's new movie "Koodal Nagar", Directed by Seenu. Ramaswami (Balu Mahendra's Assistant)
http://tamil.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/10032005-3.shtml
NagaS
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raja_fan wrote: |
Nagas,
Translation please ! |
raja_fan,
its a regular news item only, no extra info other than the lyricst names,
NagaS
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The director is a ad film maker(Jayachandran textiles etc).'Kaadhal'fame Sandhya is the heroine.
BTW Naga,have you seen 'Kaadhal'.if not,watch it.Very down to earth movie.
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cinefan,
kaathal innum paarkkalai, got an oppurtunity last weekend, used it to watch 'raam' instead
will try this weekend, insha allah !
NagaS
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Check out what Fazil has to say about the movie and Raja!
http://www.webulagam.com/cinema/cinenews/0503/12/1050312008_1.htm
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YSR-ARR-IR. A rare pose indeed.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24227.html
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24226.html
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24228.html
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24229.html
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YSR-MSV-IR
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24253.html
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24251.html
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24252.html
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Prominent folks missing were (maybe their came and their photo was not uploaded),
- Rajini
- Bala
- Vijaykanth
- Vijay
- Surya & Sivakumar
- Satyaraj
- Karthik
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Normal man,
I think Rajni's&Kastooriraja's family decided to let Aishwarya& Dhanush represent them while Vijay's wife Sangeetha&father SAC were present.Of the others you have mentioned it was surprising not to see Bala while Jayakanthan was an unexpected face.The political class had more people from the DMK&RMV while JJ was not to be seen(Not invited?).
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I think Vijaykanth's wife Premalath was there in the photos.
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For me the surprises were that Shankar, MR and KS Ravikumar were there. Kasturiraja was seen sitting in one of the videos. The noteable absentees were Ram's Ameer, Bala, Surya, Rajini and the most glaring absence of them all - SPB!
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12bums wrote: |
For me the surprises were that Shankar, MR and KS Ravikumar were there. Kasturiraja was seen sitting in one of the videos. The noteable absentees were Ram's Ameer, Bala, Surya, Rajini and the most glaring absence of them all - SPB! |
Surya is in Mumbai shooting for 'Ghazini'but wonder why Sivakumar is missing.
Infact of the singers only Chitra,Hariharan(who also conducted a prog for the reception)L.R.Eswari!&P.Susheela are seen.Where were Yesudas,S.Janaki&the others?SPB is indeed a very notable absentee.
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Is IR's WORLD TOUR cancelled or DELAYED ..?
due to Yuvan's marriage arrangements ...??
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http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/21032005-4.shtml
This article says Ameer,S.Janaki participated.
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IR's uppu released ? this page has a review ...
http://www.tamiloviam.com/unicode/03170511.asp
No cassette release ? or No songs ?
NagaS
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"Where were Yesudas,S.Janaki&the others?SPB is indeed a very notable absentee."
Ennappaa ! Ellaa photovium publish panna mudiyumaa ...? Adhukkula tension aagareengale Avangellaam vandhu edhavadhu orathula utkaarndhu kadhai adichittu irundhirupaanga !
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/yuvanreception/24228.html
See the dress of both !
is this they say "Great men wear alike" ?
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Cinefan, SJ had indeed come. She is shown in one of the videos. But yea, KJY and SPB are missing. But KJY has just sung most of the songs in Ram. Maybe his son, Vijay might have come and we missed him. The speculation is more about SPB. I could see neither him nor his son.
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I saw in sun tv yesterday an ad for "Pon Megalai", music by IR. They didnt show any songs, but the movie seems to be a scary movie, so IR must have done BGM mainly.
Also IR seems to have lot of movies this year, Uppu, Pon Megalai, Mumbai Express, Adu Oru Kana Kaalam all in 1Q of 2005. Good years ahead.
Reg YSR marriage, KJY didnt go because he is in california. Not sure about SPB. I dont think SPB has any differences/issues with IR, its just that he may not be in town. SPB sung 2 songs in ME, so its not likely that he will have dissum with IR.
So many stars were not in the pic/video, but that doesnt mean that they have issues, they may be busy or didnt want to show their face in camera / india glitz didnt cover them.
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kBee ,
PonMegalai was composed as early as 2003-2004 .It has 3 excellent carnatic ,1 cinematic melody and 1 dappanguthu ...
Is it a Scary movie ???I doubt so !!!
It has charuhasan and two other Mallu heroines ..
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Point taken kbee. Its nice to know that SPB has sung in ME. Also anyone knows of any site that I can download Ponmegalai from? Its not there on coolgoose. Another movie that I am trying to get hold off, without any luck is Puniyavathi.
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Well in the 30 second clip they showed in SunTV a girl was running around and a man trying to chase her, the girs face looks horrible (as if she managed to escape from rape or something like that) and the back ground music did sounded scary. We will know when its out, but good to know that it has 5 songs.
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kbee ,
where did u come across that SPB has sung 2 song in ME ?
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In telugu websites. It also said that the telugu version was by Kamal where as the tamil version was by SPB (I would imagine the opposite)
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One other prominent figure who is missing in the wedding reception is VM (esp. when there is KB and MR), or did I miss to see him in the photo?
Hey! btw was vaali there? or, for that matter i did not see any of the lyricists, even mu.metha, pulamaipiththan, pazhanibharathy etc are also not cited.
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Friends,
Please leave these "missing" stories and come back to the real thread !! The guys who were missing really are ourselves..! not VM, BR, SPB etc..
What happend to ME Audio release ?? Lets discuss that.
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/cn/cn_home.asp?newsres=2&issuedate=3/22/2005&secid=1#R-Rjh-UXV[ EYh TP |jf |jf yz P֟
Looks like a children's fun film...there could be ample scope for innovative BGM...
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Please read information related to `twinkle,twinkle little *'
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eden, may be we can expect another Guru (Mal).
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Sify says, IR scoring for Thangar Bachan's next, for which TB is going to be playing the hero! God help us!
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13702027
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12bums,
not sure why u are critical of TB's acting prospects. There is no data point for us to say he is bad at acting or going to be bad..If many new comers with no background in Cinema can prove to be successful, why TB, who has good experience in cinema, can't be.
I guess the notion that actors shd have skin beauty/be of young age is deeply rooted among Indian movie fans mind i guess..it all depends on the story and how it is portrayed that makes the movie successful - not how young or beautiful ( skin ) the characters have
I know you were making the comment only in a lighter note
Cheers
MSK
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When is Mumbai Express audio getting released? Was it supposed to come out sometime this week?
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13703239
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well read more about it here
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/interview/6293.html
Why an audio company now?
Well, the situation demanded. I was quite impressed with Ilayaraja's tunes and felt it is my prime duty to release the audiocassette on my own. Amazing that I have an advance order for over 1.75 lakh cassettes. Major credit should to Ilayaraja and little bit to me for I was also involved in composing with the maestro.
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Mumbai express has 4 songs (melodious and fast track)....
source - chennaionline.com
I hope ME will of the same range as other IR-Kamal musical hits such as Vikram, Aboorva Sagotharargal, Hey RAM, etc etc.
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Interesting reading material:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/kumaran/
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[Posted in "Kamal-Ilayaraaja-Singeetham Rao-MUMBAI EXPRESS" aswell]
Hi All,
I got a chance to see (from midway I guess) ME's trailer (Hindi version by Sahara) on MTV. The song started like "Ayala Re...". On first hearing, I found the pallavi to be peppy and pretty catchy. Initially sounded a bit unlike IR, but midway somewhere I could make out IR's stamp. The orchestration was again different with some sax interludes. I guess Shaan is one of the singers. It was only his voice that I could guess, others no idea. On the whole, on first hearing, I felt that its a very good catchy number and it seemed to stick to the current trend. Its surely unlike IR's other recent catchy numbers.
Need to hear it again.
Krishnan
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The song ( title song ? ) resembles "Oram po, Oram po, rukkumani vandi ..." What song yaar ! I am losing hope
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raja_fan wrote: |
The song ( title song ? ) resembles "Oram po, Oram po, rukkumani vandi ..." What song yaar ! I am losing hope |
I presume you have based your comments after listening to the four lines which plays in the backround of the website.Then the only similarity that I could see was in the lyrics-oram po,rukkumani vandi varudu went that song&this one goes as...............,oram ne othu poo,vustundi vustundi mumbai expressu.I couldn't find any striking similarity in the tune.
You are disappointed after listening to four lines ,they don't make a complete soundtrack yaar.Wait for the audio release.Also you can't expect a haunting musical score for a satire/comedy.Is the music for Apoorva Sahodarargal,MMMK brilliant?They had catchy songs,thats it.This one also sounds quite catchy(even if only the pallavi is being played).
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Cinefan anna wrote:
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Is the music for Apoorva Sahodarargal,MMMK brilliant?They had catchy songs,thats it. |
vaayya vaa. nalla mattiniyaa?
Apoorva sahodharargal theme music a variation of which is played when
1. when the boat carrying srividhya floats in the river,
2. when the mother and the children are reunited
3. When finally appu goes to prison and all his pet animals come to raja (particularly the parrot).
This was one movie where raaja's rajyam was allowed to be installed by kamal.
The song "Onnai nenachen" had the best violin orchestrations of the decade and the pathos was beautiful melody.
And u say, "thats it" ?????
hmm what happened to all raja fans? All listening to thiruvasagam and gone mellow?
ps: ennai kaalai vaari vittaal naan idhuvum seiven, innamum seiven.
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jaiganes wrote: |
Cinefan anna wrote:
Quote: | Is the music for Apoorva Sahodarargal,MMMK brilliant?They had catchy songs,thats it. |
vaayya vaa. nalla mattiniyaa?
Apoorva sahodharargal theme music a variation of which is played when
1. when the boat carrying srividhya floats in the river,
2. when the mother and the children are reunited
3. When finally appu goes to prison and all his pet animals come to raja (particularly the parrot).
This was one movie where raaja's rajyam was allowed to be installed by kamal.
The song "Onnai nenachen" had the best violin orchestrations of the decade and the pathos was beautiful melody.
And u say, "thats it" ?????
hmm what happened to all raja fans? All listening to thiruvasagam and gone mellow?
ps: ennai kaalai vaari vittaal naan idhuvum seiven, innamum seiven. |
Ayyo Jaiganesu,naa BGM pathhi pesa ve ille.I was only trying to tell him not to expect a 'Swathi Muthyam','Sagarasangamam'in the songs.Also I have made it clear that 4 lines do not make a soundtrack.Oru comparison-kku sonna ippadi payareengale
Kaalai vaari vittadikku enna anti-IR group-kku thalli vittengale.
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Cinefan,
Thanks for the encouragement let us see..I am worried that it has only 4 songs..so the number of melodies will be less..
Jaiganes, I agree with you.
1. The title music of Apoorva Sahodarargal is one of the best in TFM.
2. The song "Pudhu Mappillaikku.." was very brilliant.
3. MMMK had some of the best pieces - sundari neeyum, Rambambam.. etc
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One technique that Kamal could have adopted is use different tunes/versions for Hindi and tamil versions......
It is true that it would cost more - but considering the fact that the movie has only 4 songs, may be one could retrench the expenses.
The reason is Hindi audience in general has a different taste than Tamil. They somehow like the mixed version of songs (such as Tu tu tu tara for Raakamma kaiya thattu, neele neele ambar for Ilaya nila, koyal si teri boli for konda seval etc etc).
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Dear friends,
I just saw the movie Uppu. It has been released by Veenai, Malaysia, which is widely available in the Middle East. I dont know if this movie was released in India. But you can read a review here:
http://www.tamiloviam.com/unicode/03170511.asp
The story is as touching as Kutti, focusing only on the lives of scavengers managing a living in Metros like Chennai and the 'kandhu vatti' dadas (high rate of interest money lenders). Roja has given a good performance.
Maestro, as usual, has come up with touching BGMs. Couple of 1 minute songs are there in the movie, sung by Giri and Aiswarya (new comers?). He has also introduced Paavai Koothu songs (like puppet show) sung by Pavai koothu kalaignars - Muthu Chandiran, Gobi and Muthu Murugan.
The title credit says Lyrics & Music Composer Giriraj and Background Music by Isaignani Ilayaraja. Recording R-Beat and Lakshmi Studio, Audio Engineer Jacob Rebello.
Regards
Venkatesh
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crvenky
where did you see the movie? in malaysia or us?
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www.mumbaiexpress.com
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From 1975 to 1990 IR completed 500 films (Anjali was his 500th film and that was released in 1990 june-july).
From 1990 to 2005 is IR close to the next 500?
Could someone let us know what other MD's have achieved so far with respect to number of films
MSV - ??
ARR - ??
Deva - ??
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kbee,
Original vcd released by Veena is available in Middle East.
I saw it on the vcd only.
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mumbaixpress.com
sorry
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crvenky
Thanks, cuz the movie was never released in US, so wondering where you saw them. Thanks again
buggle
IR will compopse his 1000th film this year (yes, exact same 15 years for next 500 films), for a movie directed by his late brother's son.
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Late brother-- means who? Gangai Amaran? Or Pavalar? What film is this?
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Pavalar - movie is not named yet. I was hoping that he will do for Kamal or his own story (for which he has been trying to find a producer_.
BTW its Pavalar.
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Nitya wrote: |
Late brother-- means who? Gangai Amaran? Or Pavalar? What film is this? |
Come-on Nitya, Gangai amaran is not 'late' yet
NagaS
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Ah good. That's a relief.
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IR's 1000th film? I doubt that. I think he is atleast a 100 movies short of 1000th.
Remember Kamal announced Hey!Ram to be IR's 735th & 736th movies or 835th and 836th movies? I cannot point out beyond about 20 films of IR after Hey!Ram to till date.
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I was in for quite a surprise when I saw Mumbai Express songs available at Music India Online tonight. My first impression was, now here's a different side of Ilayaraja. No raaga-based folky songs. Instead the songs are jazzy, as I have read from other folks, and I like jazz, so I am satisfied with the end product. But be warned, these songs won't appeal to everybody.
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Nitya wrote:
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But be warned, these songs won't appeal to everybody. |
Already our good friend vijayr has proven this statement of yours in the Mumbai Express thread.
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surprising tech stuff from IR. Mumbaixpress songs r basically kadi songs with each song extending to more than 5 minutes.
Most of the tunes sound very familiar (so they dont sound fresh) and they get boring after a while......
this is the first IR album which sounded totally crap (like ARR's Love Birds) - too much tech stuff with very familiar tunes and unnecessary dialogues in between.
Very surprising to see how Kamal actually Okayed these songs.
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Mumbai Express is very disapointing in many aspects.
A. This year raised big expectations for all ilayaraja fans, because of mumbai express, Balu mahendras ATHU ORU KANAA KALAM , fazils ORU NAAL ORU KANAVU , thiruvasagam in symphony, moods of ilayaraja and all. The first wicket has gone for a duck. Hope the rest salvage the situation.
B. The general impression that i gathered from ilayarajas scores in the recent years was that he is no more motivated enough to give good scores for mediocre movies with similar , repetetive situations, but he reserved the best for movies from good directors like Balu mahendra, fazil or bala.It is sad he cannot compose even a decent score for a good creative director like kamal, which makes me wonder, if there is any point in stretching his career
C. I dont understand the rationale of kamal while making and marketing this album. First of all , four songs in a cassette is too little(although two more similar songs would just have prolonged the torture). Nobody is going to buy a cassette for just four songs. The sensible thing would have been to have atleast six songs and use only four songs in the movie. And the fact that three out of four songs do not even qualify to be called as listenable songs, is too disappointing.The music is not yet available in shops , which nullifies the use of music as an introduction to the movie. The music is now available free online and after listening to this , i dont think anybody is going to buy the cassette at all. Kamal has managed to achieve a big loss from the jaws of near certain success.
D. It is easy to delude ourselves by the argument that it is jazz music and it will grow upon us,but we all know that it is not the truth. The songs suck big time.I agree that there are jazz elements in the song, but they do not enhance the song in any way.
E. I wonder, where hungarian orchestra was used in the album, and if they were used, what was the necessity. There were no elements of orchestral music in the whole album.
F. Some people make the stupid argument that all his songs are great and the songs which we feel are not good are because they are too complicated to be understood by ordinary folks. Nothing can be further from the truth. All the songs cannot be treated in the same way. We like the great songs of ilayaraja and we also know many songs which are ordinary. As a composer he is entitled to make music the way he wants and it is our right to have our own likes and dislikes.
G. Thiruvasagam is going to be another painful disappointment. A product nees to have commerical or creative viability for it to enter market. from the beginning there wre no tkaers for the project. I donated 500 dollars for the project, just because of my affection for the Maestro.But i never had any illusion about the success of the project. A project which needs donation from the fans, which needs fans for marketing and distribution and bought by the fans, is not a viable project.The fact that there was no music company willing to make it is ample proof. Remember, ilayarja has scored more than 800 movies and many non film albums. None of them involved raising money or marketing by fans. they sold by their merit. that is how a creative product must be sold.
Although as an ilayaraja fan it pains me to say this, i think it is high time that ilayaraja retires from film music. When he cant motivate himself. His recent failures will only manage to take away the sheen of his brilliant early works in the late seventies and eighties
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Finally, one honest review of MX! Honest, from my perspective of course. If someone else likes it, I've no issues with it. Obviously.
BTW, there are couple of more trashes by ARR ala Love Birds - Mr Romeo, for instance. Wonder what he was thinking while composing for that one.
Now, I have no intention of starting another war here, but would like to know the comparitive use of Jazz (so-called!) in MX (IR) and Kaadhal Virus/ Iruvar (ARR). The assumption here is that both have used their own interpretations of jazz to suit Tamil audiences. I DO NOT want to know who did better (in terms of an opinion), but who succeeded in bringing out this genre better, within the parameters of film music! I'm sure we coud take up some other IR song that has jazz influences for such comparison - if MX isnt considered the best example.
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cant stop laughing at the posting of these geniuses!!!
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jaiganes wrote: |
cant stop laughing at the posting of these geniuses!!!
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Jai,forget it.Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.I liked the music on first hearing&won't mind spending 45/- on the cassette for 3 songs&theme music.It doesn't make any difference to me if someone else didn't like it.Period.
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this site http://www.tamilcinema.com/ says Bala's "B Studios" is going to produce a movie with madhavan as hero & bala's gurunathar balu mahendra director.
No mention of MD, But it would be IR I guess ...
NagaS
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Just got to listen to only 2 songs of MExp "poopoothadhu" and "kurangu kaiyil". My impression after the maiden hearing is
IR tries to cater to the urbane crowd after a long time. While the former is a melody with some jazz strewn , the later song has more jazz to it. The last jazz that i heard in TFM is from the banal KadhalVirus. "Kurangu kaiyil" has a better tune and orchestration IMO than the contrived KadhalVirus song.
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Dudes
It is not that Mxpress is bad - It is just that those songs could have easily been scored by Bharadwaj, SAR or even Bharani.
IR's music is unique and also some of his songs r divine.... They can even change the moods of the listeners...
For eg, Raj TV is going to show a KB program and they used the Punnagai mannan music for advertisement.... It was so refreshing to hear that music - One can really feel the freshness and purity of that tune )
Most IR fans love his melodies rather than his techie songs... As an IR fan for the past 30 years, I expect atleast one melodious song in every film - I was just extremely pleased when Pithamagan had Ilankathu visuthe and Azhagi had Oliyile which had the IR Quality.
In that aspect, I am disappointed with Mxpress. The reason could have been lack of complete freedom due to Kamal's interference.The only so called melody Poo puthatho sounds like a typical Deva melody...
BM's Adhu oru kana kalam looks is the next IR album to be released. He kinda cut short all the songs from Julie Ganapthy. I just hope he doesnt do that in AOK.
MX can still appeal to some of IR fans. So folks - give it a shot atleast once !!!
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Its all because of Karthik Raja. I can see his stupid synth disturbing the great jazzy effect IR was trying to create.
I'm getting hooked onto the theme song now. Maybe this was done in Hungary.
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vem - "It is not that Mxpress is bad - It is just that those songs could have easily been scored by Bharadwaj, SAR or even Bharani" "The only so called melody Poo puthatho sounds like a typical Deva melody... "
I strongly disagree with you - if Kamal thought a Bharadwaj, SAR or even Bharani, could come up with such scores, he would have gone for them and would have spent much less for the music and probably would have hit a commercial jackpot, since the above three names have a certain (although time-bound) mass appeal - so why would KH go to IR and get the music done ? not out of his friendship alone - but out of the implicit knowledge that only IR can deliver the goods that KH has in mind
For that matter, KH need not go to any composer in the first place! since he has an in-depth knowledge of music himself, he could have composed the entire score himself, a la, Bagyaraj for 'idhu namma aalu'!
'Poo poothadhu' and Deva ! give me a break, will you - probably the only sore point about that song is the short second interlude, which is filled with a little monotonous humming - as an ardent IR fan (for the last 25 years!), I would have expected IR to come with the use of a violin ensemble instead - barring that, the song is a gem - let us also keep in mind that any undue use of a violin ensemble would not have gelled well with the contemporary musical tastes nation-wide, especially in case of Bollywood fans! the commercial/business angle is what I percieve has forced IR-KH duo to compromise a bit and yet come up with a creative output!
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Couple of IR related articles in current issue of vikatan
Chitra on IR
http://www.vikatan.com/av/2005/apr/17042005/av0505.asp
ரொம்ப சந்தோஷமா இருக்கேன். இந்த பத்மஸ்ரீ விருது எனக்கானது இல்லை...என் குரு ராஜா சாருக்குச் சேர வேண்டியது.
அவரோட ரிக்கார்டிங் தியேட்டரில் நின்னு நான் முதன் முதலில் பூஜைக்கேத்த பூவிது! பாடினது
இப்பவும் அப்படியே நினைவில் இருக்கு. அப்போதிருந்து இப்போ வரைக்கும், ஒரு தகப்பன் ஸ்தானத்திலிருந்து
என்னை ஆசீர்வதித்து வழிநடத்துவது அவர்தான்! என்கிறார் சித்ரா நெகிழ்ச்சியுடன்.
Surya on IR
http://www.vikatan.com/av/2005/apr/17042005/av0503.asp
நிறைய மியூஸிக் கேட்பேன். அப்போ இப்போ எப்பவுமே என் சாய்ஸ் இதயம் கலந்து உயிரில் கரையும் இளையராஜா!
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Bharadwaj, SAR or Bharani could have easily come up with the tunes is what vem is trying to say probably. The interludes are special and different(in 2 songs). But the tunes, especially Kurangu kayyil and Yele are no more creative than "kaasu mela kaasu vandhu" or "kokkara ko kozi" or even "appadi podu". And that pulls the whole song down and makes it less hip. I listened to "POttu vaitha kaadhal dhittam" yesterday and it sounds more hip than ME songs, mainly because of the high-octane tune, Kamal's rendition and the overall flow the song maintains. ME songs are good only in patches and provide a non-uniform listening experience.
Even poo pothadhu's tuen could have easily been scored by Deva. His "en manadhai koLLai adithavaLE" or "kaakkai chiraginile nandhalaala" should be proof enough
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tmrrmt
U may be right. May be the songs r special that I am not noticing.
BTW, are the casettes/CDs available for sale. As PRO pointed out, Mxpress has to come with a combo as it has only 4 songs.
Of the musicians u had mentioned, u missed T.Rajendar. God -some of his songs from Uyirullavarai Usha, Thangai kor geetham, Maithili ennai kaathali, Oru thalai raagam r just absolutely great !!!! He had the IR touch !!! I guess he stopped doing music nowadays.
Music wise, MX and CM have been released. It is time to move on for GodFather and the much eagarly awaited Anniyan.
I think this Tamil New Years day will mostly decide the fate of many actors ))
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" I guess he stopped doing music nowadays. "
Vem,
No such luck. He is still scoring 'music'. People just stopped listening.
His next offering is going to be Veerasamy, if you dare listen
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'His next offering is going to be Veerasamy, if you dare listen' - ROFTL - that was hilarious MNT!
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This is totally unexpected & unusual stuff from IR...From initial listening, this is true gripping jazz, largely unheard in TFM...Go get ur copies ppl...
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Vel, has the audio been released ????
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If you want Uppu songs/BGM, please join my group and get it:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MaestroMagic
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Cacaphonix wrote: |
IR's 1000th film? I doubt that. I think he is atleast a 100 movies short of 1000th.
Remember Kamal announced Hey!Ram to be IR's 735th & 736th movies or 835th and 836th movies? I cannot point out beyond about 20 films of IR after Hey!Ram to till date. |
Sorry for the delayed reply. I composed the list of movies by IR from (thanks to raajangham and few other sites) upto year 2000, and its coming out 1014.
If you remove the dubbed movies (but include remakes since remake ususally has different music scores), its coming out to more than 900.
Click the following URL to see the list
http://www.dvdunlimitedonline.com/raaja.htm
If you include movies between 2001 and 2005, it will add another 200 to the list (yes, while he was not doing anything major in tamil, he was scoring movies for malayalam (some of them very rare gems), telugu and kannada.
I hope that the news about his 1000th movie this year is true.
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tmrrmt,
it is available in chennai...i got the cassette, but i am now also going for a CD copy..
MXpress is a jazzie gift from IR...
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Audio sould be released atleast before 15 days from the date of film release. But I still I can't get MX CD/cassette.
Why?
Kamal, Ithukuthan neenga Audio Company Arampicheengala?
Kodumaida Samy.
MLM companya nambi emanthu poidatheengal.
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i checked with my distributor. MX CD in Tamil is on hold. The still havent decided on the price yet.
MX CD in Hindi will be released by Venus tomorrow. So atleast you can listen to hindi version.
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MXpress - Review
http://www.chennaionline.com/music/FilmsAudio/2005/04mumbaixpress.asp
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HI Dudes,
U can use www.coolgoose.com for downloading all the IR songs... So amazing thing is I got the rarest song ' Sevanthi pookalil seitha veedu ' from that site. I was very fond of that song. A bit craze too. I was searching everywhere using google. I didn't get it. then finally, this site had the song and I downloaded it.
Just visit and search for whaterver song u want to download.
Love
Irfan
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some rare songs from coolgoose
1. Nanda ne en nila sung by SPB
2. Paattinge from Poo vizhi vaasalile
3. Manidha mnaidha from kan sivanthal mann sivakkum
4. Ilampani thulir from Aaradhanai
5. Poonthalirada from Panner pushpangal
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vem, nanda en nila is not by IR, its by Dakshinamoorthy
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MX review in http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/apr/15mumbaixp.htm
The gist of this is that "MX is a trash"
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Tamil version review in http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/apr/15xpress.htm
This says that it is yet another classic !!!!
Surprising how Northies and Southies value the same item so differently !!!
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vem, I think both reviewers are from `chEra' nAdu:-) rediff is 99% malayalis and each one can have a distinct taste (like the political parties there)...In general, you got to view them more as individual opinions and less as unbiased reviews...all IMHO.
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vem, I am not able to find paattinge from poovizhi vaasalile in coolgoose? Any suggestions as where to find it?I am desperate to get it.
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12bums
Please search for Aattam ingey in coolgoose.
or http://web.music.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=74345
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Vem,
This chick Sneha May Francis is one hell of an 'intelligent' woman.
She thinks Ramesh Arvind is a "Telugu superstar"
That's something none of us ever knew.
She goes on to say, among other things, "The special effects are garish and superfluous."
What does she mean by that? The two adjectives she used mean the complete opposite? Sort of like the review by her and Shoba Warriar.
Hmmm.
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Vem
Take my word. It will be a bigger hit in Hindi than Tamil, cuz hindi people love these kind of comedy. Think about
Hera Pheri - (Arangettra Velai in Tamil), Not at all a good movie, but one of hte biggest comedy hit in Hindi (owing to Paresh Rawal).
Hungama -> A total confusion movie, but a greatest hit
Hulchul -> Same climax as in the previous, but a great hit
Having watched the behavior of nothies watching movie, this sure will be a big hit. The only glitch here is the no. of songs. Who knows, they may like it even better with less songs.
On top of that, northies love Kamalji as they call him!
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Thanks vem
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12bums!
U too like attam inge!! I love that song. It has a unique feel with the female chorus singing in harmony with the instruments and Malaysia Vasudevan punching the counterpoints in a distinctive way. I like the cool way when the chorus sings "Innisai Oviyam..." It felt so much like "Baath ban jaaye", but very original in tune and composition. Sad that it was a short song. Would have loved to hear it for 5-6 mins. When seen with the picture it gives a "eery feel". PArticularly when Baby Sujitha sees Raghuvaran and Babu Antony!!! The music and the scene sends a shudder through the spine. Oblivious to all this, MV continues to counterpoint with "Asayum manadhirku.." Oh What a scene and what an original composition for a unique scene!!! Neatly done, deeply etched in this "small mind".
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/review.php?cid=2429
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http://www.hindu.com/lf/2005/04/12/stories/2005041200590200.htm
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http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/20/m/music_director.504/
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Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, Mal - hearing it, just happened to be on musicindiaonline.com, pleasantly surprised.
first listening - very dynamic and sounds exotic, though popish, "fresh fresh", a Sambhu IR (not the ME IR - all that stale broadway sounds and predictable jazz fluxes, thank God!)
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Cool songs.
Vintage IR.
After first hearing, my picks are "Ethetho Janmathil" by KSC and "Manathe Thamara" by MGSreekumar, Jyotsna.
First one is a haunting melody, the other one is a foot tapping catchy number.
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Two songs, namely 'Ethetho Janmathil' and 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star', show traces of freshness, but on the whole, if Ilayaraja went back to using nonsynthesized instruments, that would be oh, such a pleasant change. This is what IR needs to hear urgently.
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Ethetho Janmathil by KSC is smooth (KJY should have not been selected)
Chilanka Chilanka is nice too, but the voices seem so overlapped.
Why is Magic Journey and Hey You have the same beat? the starting sounds so silar -- Average
Manathe Tamara resembles 'Asaiya Kaathula', but nice to hear MGS voice ...
TTS is good too
On the whole an impressive album..
Need to hear few more times...
Bala
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what's this?!! not yet recovered from MX now TTLS has realeased
The songs sounded cool in first listening one song sounded like ' Iravu nilavu' frm Anjali
'Hey you' sounds like out and out english pop music of the 80's
'Ethetho jenmathil' will be my pick of the album. let me listen more and get back folks
till then enjoy our Raja's world
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Raja seems to obssessed with the song 'Aasaya Kaathula thoothu vittu' Right now
Just a few months back 'Ponmudipuzhayorathu' was released with a variation of the song titled 'Paandathe naattinpuram' now in this movie he does it again.
Can anybody give me a clue of what was its variation in telugu. i heard it long back dont remember the movie or song name.
Teja are you here
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Jaiganes
thanks for the review of the song. I can now explore the song on so many more levels! Another song that I am into is Vaanam Keezhe from Thoongaathe Thambi Thoongaathe. The drums are awesome. Another song that makes the case for IR to go acoustic!
BTW is TTLS is the childrens movie that IR was supposed to score for?
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Eppom Raasa functions ellam attend panna aarambichaaru??!Athum music release functions?
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12bums
In terms of IR songs with trumpets/lavish use of instruments, we can list Vaanam kizhe, Paattinge, Sorgam madhuvile as the best.
The last song is from Sattam En Kayil and one of the best IR songs and superbly sung by SPB.....
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raajasaranam...i think it is "naa sari sogari" from chakravyuham if my memory serves me right...sung by chithra...
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vem wrote:
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In terms of IR songs with trumpets/lavish use of instruments, we can list Vaanam kizhe, Paattinge, Sorgam madhuvile as the best. |
Add "seevi sinukkeduthu" from Vetri vizha to that list. When Vetri vizha was released, I liked the quintessential "Maarugo Marugo" and "Poongatru un paer solla" more than other songs. Decades after, I am rediscovering songs like "Seevi sinukkeduthu", 'vaanamenna keezhirukku" and "Thathom thalaangu". I am loving the heavy acoustics and piano. "Seevi sinukkeduthu" is what i would put as Thamizh folk dressed in western dress. The kind of song that is, it provides aural entertainment at various levels and entertains a WCM lover to some beautiful trumpets while making our (thamizhar) feets dance to the charanams. It is mind blowing in the sense that IR has made two different music forms coexist in one song delighting the lovers of both music forms!!! This is dissolving both forms of music into a synthesized new IR form of music!! It is like both forms of music have married and begotten a child, which to those from father's side looks like the father and to those from mother's side resembles the mother. Yet the child is unique in its own way. The ultimate joy of creation!!
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I have never heard that song from Vetri Vizha - I know thathom song.....
I will listen to it "Seevi...."
Does that song come in the movie ?
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The starting voices/humming in "Hey you" song in TTLS(which gets repeated during the course of the song) is ditto that of "mushkil bada hey pyar hai" song's start from Gupt. But Viju Shah himself lifted it from somewhere else - probably same synthesized sound sample. Not sure if Karthik Raja had a role to play in this(and in some other songs as well in this album which sound like amateurish 80s disco). Chithra's yedhedho Janmathil alone is worth a second listen. KJY/MGS are well past their retirement mark.
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Guys
Whenever someone says that some IR techno song is bad , KR is always attributed to this
It is true that KR is not as popular as YSR - But it was he who delivered Pandiyanin Rajiyathil, a melodious song......
His songs from pow(Dum,3) were also OK.....
KR - where the hell r u ????
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enna pa ithu..I used to think IR was very good consistently in malayalam (unlike tamil)..but now edhO thisthi pattuduchunnu ninaikkirEn. Only the twinkle twinkle little star is completely fresh ..edho jenmathil starts nice but still not very appealing to me. As kbee mentioned songs sounding like 80s pop should have been completely avoided (heard similar sounds in en mana vaanil, which made me squirm). Magic journey has anjali hangover..another song is aasaiya kaathula recyled ..hmm.. this is not at all making me feel good.
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Karagatakkari audio profits the producer to produce another movie
http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/heroines/vilasini.html
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Veracity of that link is very questionabe !!!
Karagattakari was a very bad album which was not even 1% of karagattakaran......
i dont know anybody in this holy world having the CD/casette of that movie.... we need to see if anybody released the album
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In the words of vijay:
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The starting voices/humming in "Hey you" song in TTLS(which gets repeated during the course of the song) is ditto that of "mushkil bada hey pyar hai" song's start from Gupt. But Viju Shah himself lifted it from somewhere else - probably same synthesized sound sample. |
You know, it's funny, and also sad, that IR would resort to copying from such an overrated composer such as Viju Shah. I remember, when the audio of 'Pyar Ishq Aur Mohabbat' was released, all the Hindi reviewers talked about it as if it were the greatest thing that ever happened. They made comments such as: Quote: |
"The album sure lives up to its title, in that you're sure to fall in love with it." |
Are you!? I didn't fall in love with it. Quote: |
"With its mix of modern instrumentation and melody, it leaves everyone happy." |
That's funny. It didn't leave me happy. As far as I'm concerned, Viju Shah is just an overrated MD. And I can't make out, why would IR want to copy off that guy? It must be all about making a salary! Or maybe, just doing 800+ films is enough to burn all the talent out of the man. Fortunately, some of the other songs in 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' are worthwhile compositions, as I think I have mentioned earlier.
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vem wrote: |
i dont know anybody in this holy world having the CD/casette of that movie |
I have it hehehe !
NagaS
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IR's new movie "poo pookkum oosai" ... Hero : Hari Bhaskar (Son of IR's brother R. D. Baskar)
NagaS
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Watched MXpress @ salem. I liked it very much - kamal plays a modern charlie chaplin (so many similarities but this movie is a lot different from his other comedies ...
Only negatives are - manisha's character is wasted, poo pooththathu is the ONLY full song in the movie, that too falls in some ackward place and doesn't make any impression at all, BGM is good, But the climax is very fast and I am not sure if our vegujanam will appreciate / understand it !
NagaS
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Guru RamaNa Geetham is now available in india with symphony audios - I got the CD for Rs 95/- Not sure about the cassette
NagaS
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NagaS, why only vegujanam, even Taran Adarsh who gave good reviews for ME, compares it to David Dhawan comedies. Seems like that even he has missed the point.
And why is it, that when IR tries something pathbreaking, it has to end up like this ? - First Avatharam, now ME?
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NagaS wrote: |
IR's new movie "poo pookkum oosai" ... Hero : Hari Bhaskar (Son of IR's brother R. D. Baskar)
NagaS |
No, NagaS the music is by Yuvan
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alias wrote: |
NagaS wrote: | IR's new movie "poo pookkum oosai" ... Hero : Hari Bhaskar (Son of IR's brother R. D. Baskar)
NagaS |
No, NagaS the music is by Yuvan |
alias, Hari Bhaskar acts in two movies vyuham (MD : Yuvan) and poo pookkum oosai (MD : IR)
I read this news item with IR's name in yesterday's dinathanthi (IR isaiyil uruvaagum 'poo pookkum oosai' was the heading)
NagaS
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Nitya, I dont think IR lifted it from Viju Shah. I think its a common source-some synthesized sound sample that both of them used. IR has better things to do than listen to Viju Shah's 7-year old albums:-) On a related note, I am upset at the heavy usage of electronic kits and synthesized sounds in place of natural instruments of late (even in MalluFM). Sign of changing times? "Unnai thedi thedi" from Konji Pesalam, a very soulful vintage IR melody has lacklustre synth-heavy interludes. Even without those interludes at all the song
would have been much better. I still listen to it though.
Hope TIS comes to the rescue.
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Nitya,
Vijayr is right. I've heard that sound in many telugu songs too. You can't call it a lift.
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Teja,
Do you have songs of Mahadev in CD version ?..
I was desperately trying for thsi album with out success..
Can you help me locating this album ? Also i need some rare telugu songs of IR.
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We just find ways to come up with write ups on IR
http://www.telugucinema.com/c/audio/blastfrompast.shtml
Jagann,
I only have one song from Mahadev (mujhe baahon) - on tape!
Even I'm searching for a CD version. No success yet.
What telugu songs are you looking for?
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Teja,
Iam looking for songs from Merupudadi ( dute by SJ& SPB)
Sahasame jeevitham, Gopalraogari abbayi,priyathama etc..
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jagannn - one rare Telugu song by IR - "Ninnu choosina" from CHinnabbaayi (1996 ?) - both pallavi and charanam have unusual beat pattern (the kind of unusualness that you wud associate with the song "Padum vanambadi" from Unnai Naan Sandhithhaen) and the interludes are akin to those from 'Ninaikkinra paadhayil' from Athma - vintage IR melody - when SPB sings
"Eee maayi marmam" in the stanza after the female version stops, you can feel honey dripping out of your CD/cassette player - and again when SPB hums an aalap as a counterpoint to the female voice towards the end of the song - the same honey dripping effect!
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tmrrmt
Thanks for reminding that song. Real classic. There is also another in the same film "Na Patallo ragalanni " a very good composition indeed.
The composing was done after the lyrics were written.IMHO IR was not comfortable with the way the lyrics were prolonged (due credit to the Director) . You will definitely experience this when you hear the songs closely.
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and the director was/is good old K.Vishwanath !!
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Jagan,
I've uploaded Priyatama song...
http://www.themelody.net/jukebox.htm
That's one of my all time fav.
Simple - yet melodious tune.
Especially, swarnalatha's voice adds a haunting touch to the song.
btw, I digitally enhanced that song
These days, I took up a small side project of digitally enhancing IR's telugu songs on Echo tapes.
Recording quality on those Echo tapes is just awful. High treble, low bass, and that tape hiss! I was never able to play them in high volume.
So, I'm enhancing those songs by applying noise reduction, FFT filter and subtle bass boost. Then an extra pass through the compressor and limiter enhances the instruments and suppresses the high pitch vocals.
Check it out and let me know.
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Teja -
can you upload "Ninnu choosina" from CHinnabbaayi (1996 ?) in coolgoose ?
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http://www.dinamani.com/Malar/Ilayaraja/
Looks like this may have some interesting info...can anyone who has subscription to dinamani post an abstract?
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Vijay, it sounded as if you said "IR had lifted the orchestration off of Viju Shah's." Anyway, I agree with you fully that synthesized orchestration is never as good as natural orchestration.
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Teja
Thanks for the link.
Pardhoo has always has provided a balanced outlook of the great yesteryears.
However his comparison of "poovizhi Vasalile" to the telugu version sounds unbalanced IMHO. Pasividi Praanam had only one good number 'Kashmiri .. lo, Kanya kumari.., O chanda Mama'. The rest of them were all usual CHakravarthy stuff. The Tamil Movie had excellent songs.
His comments that Telugu version of "16 Vayathinile" had better songs is a misstatement IMHO. I have no heard the original "Mappillai" songs, so I cannot comment on them.
Chakravarthy was a popular MD no doubt and had provided music that became great hits, but most of them were very repetitive and rythm based. To compare him to MSV/KVM/IR/ARR is a little far fetched
BY the way, I loved his 'I love you Sujatha SOng' from Kodeswaran Magal.
Bala
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tmrrmt wrote: |
Teja -
can you upload "Ninnu choosina" from CHinnabbaayi (1996 ?) in coolgoose ? |
http://www.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=175113
Balaji,
I agree with you. IMO, whatever said and done, Chakravarthy is responsible for taking telugu film music down the drain after the golden era till early 70's. Ilayaraja came to the rescue from time to time...
Chakravarthy composed for ~900+ films, but the good ones out of those 900*5 songs are < 10.
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tmrrmt, "Padum vanambadi" song is from "Naan paadum padal".
A few posts back, while there was discussion on "vetri vizha songs", the song that sends a rush of hot blood down my head is the underrated "thathom thalaanga thathom" sung by SPB and SJ.This song could have probably been a popular dance floor song for the yesteryear hiphop crowd and is very reflective of the disco fad of the 80's.Everytime, Iam awestruck at the way the guitar drives the rythm along with acoustic drums. The high pitched violins in the lines
"thazhuvattum thazhuvattum
iLavattam iLavattam" is the crowning point
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thumburu - the overall poor quality of the recording + a mediocre tune + horrendoud singing by SJ were major negative points about that song from Vetri Vizha - it is the guitar, violin accompaniments and the interludes that make this song listenable
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Correction - pls. read 'horrendoud' as 'horrendous'
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mumbai xpress movie review http://www.chennaionline.com/film/Moviereviews/2005/04mumbaiexpress.asp
says that the movie is a kadi -
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teja - thanks for the link - can you also upload the telugu and hindi versions of Mumbai Xpress ?
Thanks
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The same site had a review of the film in it's 'Youth club' section last week where the reviewer had gone ga-ga.
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Fazil on IR (From Kumudam magazine - Font is Unicode)
நீங்கள் தமிழில் எடுத்தால் இசை இளையராஜாதான். அப்படி என்ன காரணம் இருக்கு இந்தக் கூட்டணிக்கு ?
இளையராஜா சுயம்பு. அவருக்கு எல்லாமே தெரியும். எதையும் மனசில் உள்வாங்கிட்டுத்தான் இறங்குகிறார். இன்னமும் இசையின்மேல் மாறாத காதல் இருந்ததுகிட்டே இருக்கு. அவருக்கு பாசிலுக்கு என்ன வேணும்ன்னு தெரியும். பாரதிராஜா விரும்புவது தெரியும். மணி ரத்தினத்தின் எண்ண ஓட்டத்தை அறிவார்.
ஆயிரம் கட்டடங்கள் செங்குத்தாக எழலாம். தஞ்சை கோபுரம்தான் உங்கள் பெருமையைச் சொல்லமுடியும்.
- இயக்குனர் பாசில் பேட்டி - நா. கதிர்வேலன் - குமுதம் 28 03 2005
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"ஆயிரம் கட்டடங்கள் செங்குத்தாக எழலாம். தஞ்சை கோபுரம்தான் உங்கள் பெருமையைச் சொல்லமுடியும்."
Impressive quote.
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NagaS
Thanks for the posting. "AAyiram kattidangal Senguththaga Ezhalaam. Thanjai Gopuramthaan Ungal Perumaiyai Solla Mudiyum"
Oru malayalikku therinja thamiz perumi "tamil tamil"nu maaradikkara thamizanukku theriyalae.
Thanks again.
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thats what I liked about fazil's interviews - he talks like a poet - when talking abt his movies / themes / artists and ofcourse, abut IR.
In his earlier interview with the same magazine, they asked "Why IR ? Why not other MDs ?", he answered like "there is a difference between the mayakka nilai you get from dhyaanam, and what you get from using drugs"
NagaS
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And on another occasion he talked about not needing `puyal' as music for his films but `thendRal' and so choosing IR...
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Nagas<
i DON'T SEE THIS IN kUMUDAM (WWW.KUMUDAM.COM)
Where did you find this interview ?
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ShankarLAL:
I watched this movie in Jaya TV just for Illayaraaja's songs; It is a Kamal-Sri Devi Movie of the 80s and I was not at all disappointed by Raaja.
The film has 4 melodious songs (could be rare)
1. Raaja kaanu - A beautiful SPB song sung with children. It is almost of the same class as Aadungal of Guru.
2. Kasthoori man - A fantastic song with melodious interludes. Reminds of Varuthu varuthu of Thoongathe thambi thoongathe.
3. Ilan kiliye - The best of the album with some English words in the song. As melodious as Nadiganin kadhali from Thaayillamal nanillai or KAviriye from Adutha Varisu.....
4. Thedinen - A fantastic song from Malaysia - just like Kodai kaala kaatre from Panner pushpangal.
I just wonder why these songs didnt become super hits - but as usual, IR's other songs should have been the reason
Dont miss SHANKARLAL - Even though the movie is a crap, songs are extremely melodious and typical of Kamal-IR's class.
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vem, werent most songs of Shankar Lal by GA? I think IR scored for 1 or 2 songs.
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
Nagas<
i DON'T SEE THIS IN kUMUDAM (WWW.KUMUDAM.COM)
Where did you find this interview ? |
I saw it in printed version !
NagaS
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Shankarlal was jointly composed by IR and GA. vem, you have missed the most important, freaky song "paadhi kaLin mayakkam". Only SJ could have carried those expressions and I must admit Kamal also did a fair job. I presume it has shades of Bhagesri
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Ilankiliye innum vilankaliye from ShankarLal was a super duper hit - at least in Sri Lanka. Radio Ceylon used to play that song several times a day.
I have it in one of my IR collections CDs - so I am assuming it is by IR and not GA.
Not sure of the other songs
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Thumburu
U r right - When they put the names, they had both IR and GA names as MDs......
I guess GA couldnt shine because of his own Godly bro..... GA has given some decent hits of IR range in Vaazhve mayam. Another song that may deceive anybody is Vaaname mazhai megame from madhumalar - superb duet song.
GA looks like he is atleast as talented as Kavingnar vazhangiya devarin Sankar-Ganesh...... But be warned with SG's melodies as they easily get inspired by other's tunes (another way to tell eeyadichan copy).....
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Ilankiliye a top 10 classic all-time composition of any genre is by IR, other songs by GA in Sankarlal. (Yes, there was no day in Radio Srilanka without this song in the late 70s, I think)
BUT , Ilankiliye bears a dramatic resemblance to HUM BANEY TUM BANE EK DUJEY KE LIYE by LP in Kamal' debut Hindi film. (1981)
So, was IR inspired by LP or vice versa????? Which came earlier is my question? Both Kamal movies (one a huge flop, another a super duper hit!)
BTW, Thedinen (sung by MV) by GA is totally inspired from a Kraftwerk tune "Neon Lights"!!!!!
But, Kasturi Maan (GA) is a superb superb composition, IR has a similar one in a movie called SOOLAM, Naan Devadhai ( breathtaking number)
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natha. have no doubt, "iLankiLiye" came before atleast a couple of years before EkDujekeLiye. But I will not accept that the Hindi song was inspired from the Tamil as both the songs have tunes which can be found in many cinema songs before and after.The scale used in these songs may be similar. What makes "iLankiLiye" special for us is the superb orchestration . Just listen to the accordian (spelling??) piece in the 2nd or 3rd interlude.
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Mumbai express ringtones
kurangu kaiyil malai - (tempo 160) - 8#g2 8.#a2 16.c3 8.#a2 8#g2 8.#a2 8#d3 8- 8#g2 8.#a2 16.c3 8.#a2 8#g2 8.#a2 8f2 8- 8#g2 8.#a2 16.c3 8.#a2 8#g2 8.#a2 8#d3 8- 8#g2 8.#a2 8c3 4.#a2 4- 16f2 8- 8g2 8.#g2 8f2 16f2 8- 8g2 8.#g2 8f2 8- 16.f2 32- 8.g2 8#g2 8.g2 8f2 8.#d2 8c2
Yelae Nee Ettipo - (tempo 160) - 4c3 4c3 8.g2 16a2 8- 16a2 8- 8.a2 8.g2 4c3 4c3 8.g2 16a2 8- 16a2 8- 8.a2 8.g2 8c3 8- 4c3 8.g2 16a2 8- 16.a2 16- 8.a2 8.#d3 4#d3 4d3 8.c3 8c3 16- 8c3 16- 8c3
Poo poothadhu - (tempo 125) - 2a2 8.g2 8a2 2#a2 8.a2 8g2 2a2 8.f2 8g2 2.a2 2a2 8.g2 8a2 2#a2 8.a2 8g2 2a2 8.f2 8g2 2a2 4- 4d3 8c3 8.d3 8c3 8.c3 8.c3 8.a2 4- 8d3 8.d3 8c3 8.d3 8c3 8.c3 8.c3 8.a2 4- 4d3 8c3 8.d3 4c3 4a2 8.g2 8.g2 8g2 8.a2 8.f2 8f2 2g2
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thumburu: ilankiliye itself has a magical start, cannot describe this is words, IR in his most inspired moments, i also mentioned some time ago that there are a few more songs of IR that are i call wholesome magical - Manathil Yenna Ninaivugalo (Poonthalir); Pollaatha Aasai Vandhu (Kuva Kuva Vaathukkal); Nilavu Neram (Annai Oru Aalayam); Kaviriye KaviKuyiley (Adutha Vaarisu); Orchestration in these songs, not possible even by extraordinary geniuses!!!
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Are we in IR's OLD albums? NOM!
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I saw "Ponmegalai" posters all over chennai. has anybody seen it? The posters have IR blow up.
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Hi Teja,
A Telugu song query,
I was listening to a Telugu IR song 2 days ago from my Telugu IR songs collection which starts as " Manase Mayakkam" by SJ I think, which I am listening almost after a decade or so, which movie is that from? Is that from "Merupudaadi"?.
Also do you know of a CD version of " Darjadonga" songs
(suman movie), (I have the old echo cassette with Anveshana combo, the recording is pretty good much better than "Anveshana"), this entire week I have been listening to my IR Telugu collections during my commute, man what a gloriuos period that was ...from "Abhilasha" to "JVAS", every Chiranjeevi movie with such superb songs, even some unnoticed songs from "Kirathukudu" etc are also so great... we sure miss IR in Telugu .. we badly need a big time masala entertrainer from "Chiranjeevi -IR combo" with some good director ( well we can only wish...)
Prabhudas
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Hi guys - there are a couple of Telugu songs by IR, which are brilliant, but not as popular as they ought to have:
(i) Mogali Poovey - from KEECHU RALLU - stunning opening and a bass line forming a base for the entire score, drum rolls, a lilting violin piece that takes up the first interlude and flamboyant youthful rendering of a typical IRish melody, by SPB and Chitra
(ii) Mila Mila - from NIRNAYAM - take off the annoying 'love you' chorus interjections, and you have a classic - once again a terrific bass score and hip interludes
(iii) Ipudepu - from NIRNAYAM - adapted from IR's own 'valai osai' from Sathya - the song has a very very different sounding second interlude
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Prabhudas,
'Manase Maikam' is from Challenge. (chiranjeevi, suhasini, vijayashanti)
That's an amazing album!
'Induvadana' 'Om Shanti', 'Sayankaalam saagarateeram' all these are youthful, peppy & energetic compositions.
I don't think Darjadonga CD was ever released. Echo sold their content to 'Aditya Music'. It would be a herculean task to get them release all those albums on CDs!
Most of the IR-Chiranjeevi combo songs are evergreen...
Kirathakudu has an amazing song - 'Nee pere pranayama'. That film was a dud at Boxoffice, and the song melted into oblivion.
Even the last one from their combo, 'Stuartpuram policestation', has some cool songs.
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Some more IR telugu songs to be heard..
1. Vennalai Padenna - Sri Kanakamahalaxmi Recording Dance TRoupe (Vamsi)
2. Karigipoyanu - Maranamridangam (Kodandaramareddy, Chiranjeevi)
3. Priyatama - Priyatama (One of the IR Best)
4. Rasaleela Vela - Aditya 369 (Singeetham Sreenivasa Rao)
5. Sumam Prathi - Maharshi (Vamsy)
Those who have not heard these songs, rush to get them. I guarantee that each one of them will be a listening experience..
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Pon Megalai - another flop? :((
http://www.chennaionline.com/film/Moviereviews/2005/05ponmeghalai.asp
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crvenky
i dont know how to take these reviews. the review says its flop, but if you look at viewer responses, 52.94% said they will see it again (8% more than thiruppachi)
In general now a days, if the movie is not watchable and horrible and have few dappanguthu songs, the review is good. If the movie is good and decent family movie the review is bad.
Something wrong with ppl who review the movies.
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See Mayavi again. I saw the movie and can recommend the movie to anyone. A decent movie, with out much Twist or twis to resolve twist. No knife, gun, blood, violence - decent movie, but the reviewer again says its a disappointment but 65% of the viewers said they can see it again.
This prooves again that reviewers now a days should be reviwed first.
Go with Vikatan review. thats the best, because unlike other reviews where only 1 person willingly press verious buttons of the keyboard, vikatan has a group of ppl (varyign age, male-female, taste, bias etc) who collectively sit down and analyse the movie before touching the keyboard.
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DIG:
In response to some of your PM's, I've added Siva (telugu) bgm to the collection at http://www.themelody.net/
While you are at it, check out 'Abhinandana' theme tracks.
The theme (which has shades of Maestro's tamil bit song 'Pazaya sogangal') is simply out of the world!
There are 3 different themes [between Sobhana-Karthik, Sobhana-Sarathbabu, Rajyalakshmi-Sarathbabu].
IR mixes and matches these 3 themes with variations in tempo, playing them on a variety of instruments (guitar, violin, flute, piano...).
Result is ... pure bliss!!
No wonder the movie was such a huge hit.
END DIG
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cinefan edit your post too
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edited.
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watched Mumbaixpress hindi version today.
a very low budget movie with silly kadis. may be Crazy Mohan might have been more effective. There was no scope for background music - so no BGM for most of the movie.
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Thanks, Teja
Prabhudas
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This week's Rasikapriya programme in Podhigai channel covered
the milestones in the musical life of the famous nadhaswara vidhwan Namagiripettai Krishnan. There was an interesting tidbit. It said Namagiripettai Krishnan passed away in 1993 and his last concert was for Illaiyaraja. While I was eagerly expecting an audio clipping of that concert, all they showed was a photo clipping of Namagiripettai with Illaiyaraja and few other vidhwans on the dias. Now I have a question. Any idea who played
nadhaswaram in "pudhupatti ponnuthaayi"?
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I thought it was Jaishankar
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IR special on Kannada Online Radio. Airing non-stop IR songs in KFM mixed with his instrumental tracks and rare background scores.
http://www.kannadaaudio.net
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Dear All,
Remember the live program by IR in italy. Its been released yesterday (6th May 2005) by i dichi di angelica [see www.aaa-angelica.com for details]
Distribution in the world by ReR MEGACORP www.rermegacorp.com
Distribution for Malaysia, Singapore and India by Agi Music www.agimusic.com
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Guys, try link given by Neels or
search for kannada in Shoutcast.com and look for 96 bit stream for best quality streaming of the Kannada IR songs nonstop 24 hours, started last night brought by www.kannadaaudio.com, don't miss lots of great songs with good quality recording
Sri Rajanna, thanks, got your Yahoo IM,
Prabhudas
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vel...thanks for this wonderful news...what a coincidence...i was just thinking about writing to massimo yesterday night )...
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http://www.aaa-angelica.com/dischi/musicjourney.html
Track list...
1 Aya Kalaigal 2.18
2 Pavanaguru 5.44
3 Sunu Oh! 3.33
4 Mayil Pola 4.28
5 Janani 8.08
6 Music Journey (Lullaby And Games Of Tamilnadu)
10.33
7 En Ullil 5.21
8 Ilankathu 6.52
9 Three in One (Introduction) 3.36
10 Three in One 3.29
11 Asaiya Kathula 4.40
12 Veetukku 9.24
13 Orchestra (Mood Kapi) 7.51
14 Mathacha 0.51
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vel & thops...thanks for the info. this is good news. Curious to know how it has come out. Has anyone heard it? Also, how about "MOODS OF ILAIYARAAJA"? Has anyone heard it? Are these available in India (Bangalore)?
thanks,
Krishnan
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thops & krish
I now have a very strong doubt that some tracks herein are indeed from "Moods of ilaiyaraaja"
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Anyone know what this is about? Title says "Wings"
http://www.rermegacorp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RM&Product_Code=IDA+019&Category_Code=
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Hi,
It is nothing but a collection of IRs songs. Few of his masterpieces are consolidated and being sold as Wings.
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/new404.asp?404;http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6789555/a/review.asp
Thnx
IRfan
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Hi,
Was just listening to "MAAR GAYO RE" song sung by Gayathri Iyer from the movie Sandhya (music by Anand Raj Anand). The opening flute (???) bit has major traces from the flute bit of a number in KAADHAL KAVIDHAI. Forgot the song, but one of the singer is ILA ARUN.
thanks
Krishnan
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Anybody saw the latest 7Up Ad ? They have used a nice remix version of IR's "pudhu route-lathaan" song from movie "Meeraa" ...
NagaS
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krish244 :
the song is thaththom thagathimithom thagathimi thagathimi thom with SL
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Award for IR - MSV ... any more information on this ?
http://tamil.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/12052005-1.shtml
NagaS
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Yes yvsmani...thats the song. 85-90% of the flute tune of the hindi song is the same as the flute beginning of this tamil song. The flute tune reappears in the second interlude of the hindi song.
There is one more such incident. Has anyone listened to the famous guitar (??) portion of "IK PAL KA JEENA" from the movie KAHO NA PYAAR HAI? It is very close (in tamil its played a bit slow) to the beginning of the second interlude of a song sung by Jesudas in PAATTU VAATHIYAAR movie. I think the song is "SOLAI MALARE".
thanks
Krishnan
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Nagas,
See
http://www.worldfest.org/mainframe.htm
Looks like a Houston Film fest award..
MSK
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Thanks irfansong...
இப்படி Assorted collection introduce பண்ணா நிறுத்தவே முடியாது!!!
That is what I do for my car...
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i heard adhu oru kanaa kaalam is coming this week. any idea?
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Hi Guys,
Did you noticed Vishwa Thulasi in the nominees? It is being screened in Texas. There is an Excel sheet and u can see it there.
http://www.worldfest.org/downloads/WFHnominees2005.xls
Thank you for the WFH link...
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krish244 and yvsmani, I have a bit of news for you on 'Thaththom Thakathimi Thom.' The beginning of the song was copied by T Rajendar for the song 'Monalisa Monalisa' (film: Monisha En Monalisa).
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http://www.vikatan.com/av/2005/may/22052005/p150.jpg
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Nagas, what? when? where? How? Why?
ippidi mottaiya padam potta yeppidi?
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i think the photo has been taken during the tamil thirai channel inauguration.
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For the HCIRFs who cannot wait for the CDs to be available in India...
http://www.cd4sale.it/customer/product.php?productid=24402&cat=0&page=
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Above post should read
"For the HCIRFs who cannot wait for the CDs to be available in US...I don't know about India..."
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sorry I missed the intro line I had before my earlier post
Its a photo taken during launch of tamil thirai channel, From interview of bharathiraja in vikatan this week - the related question was "IR & VM were sitting very nearby. Still, both didn't even see each other, why ?", or something in these lines.
BR replied "reNdu paerum intha maNNoda soththu, naan reNdu paerkittayum natpaathaan pazhagittirukkaen"
NagaS
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Adhu Oru Kana Kaalam audio released. Songs are good (not exceptional). 3 songs (Katti vizhi, Kili Thattu, Antha naal gnyabagam) are very good. Others 2 songs are average.
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Finally. It seems like we have anticipated AOKK's release for... almost two and a half years.
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Good news! Athu Oru Kanaa Kaalam songs are available at http://www.tamiltune.com/MJ/default.php. The songs are reminiscent of the songs of the 'Sathi Leelaavathi' and 'Ilaiyaraagam' period. Despite sounding poppish, I like three of the songs (Kaattu Vazhi {check out the very Celtic sounding interlude}, Andha Naal Nyaabagam, and Unnaale).
I agree with njv in that they aren't exceptional. One complaint I have is, why won't Raja give any more *Indian classical* tunes? And if I have anything to say about it, this is where Ilayaraja should take lessons from Ravindran, even if the latter is deceased. I can't think of a truly God-inspired, soul-stirring tune composed by Ilayaraja post 2000, I'm sorry to say.
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Just listened to the songs. Agree with Nitya & njv. My comments on the songs (correct me if I am wrong about the instruments used):
1) Andha Naal Gyabagam: A melodious tune in a poppish style. Sung well by Vijay Jesudas & Shreya. One or two different sounds (different synth drum beats & at the end of second stanza one can hear whistle sound ) used by IR with his recent style of orchestration. Interludes are short. These days I observe that IR keeps the interludes short for many of his melodious songs (especially the second interlude). I really miss IR's style of giving grand interludes filled with mesmerising strings, flutes, piano, bass portions, etc, which used to transport us to a totally different plane. He can still give those kind of interludes in his own new format. Neverthless, this is a very good song.
Unnaale: I am not a fan of Malathis deep throated voice, but she has adakki vaasichified a little bit and given this song the necessary feel. Ranjith aswell has given enough feeling to the song. Decent rhythm with drum & synthesized sounds (with little of natrual instruments I guess) make this song an above average song.
Ennada: An ok song. Nice guitar into. Later the orchestration is dominated by melam (??), drum, guitar & some synthesis sounds. This song may get popular in college cicles and the charts.
Kaattu Vazhi: Sung pretty well by IR. Song has a different feel to it. As Nitya says, the interlude sounds celtic, very nice & catchy aswell. Has IR ever given this kind of interludes? I have not heard atleast. A good song.
Kili Thattu: Song starts with kids singing and later taken over by Bhavatharini & Jyothi. For a moment, it sounded like a portion of some song in the movie RAMANA, but later sounds pretty different. Probably because of the kids voices and singing. The stanzas sounds more melodious. The flute in the second stanza is good (not great).
On the whole, I liked ANDHA NAAL, KAATTU VAZHI & UNNAALE. I really wish he gives us more of those mesmerising interludes with strings, those bass portions, flute, etc and uses more of natural instruments.
thanks
Krishnan
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As far as Nitya's sweeping statement saying IR has not given a soul stirring melody since 2000, I beg to differ. Infact nowadays it has become a fashionable statement to make. Here is why:
Oliyile - Azhagi
Elangathu - Pithamagan
Etho onnu, kaatule - Solla marantha kathai
All songs - Bharathi
Naadu paarthathunda (anyone?) - Kamaraj
Aalapanai - Ponmegalai
All songs - Hey Ram
Unnai Vida - Virumandi
Poo Poothathu - ME
And this does not even include movies like Kannukkul Nilavu, Ivan etc!! In fact, you name a IR movie and I will name a soul stirring melody.
If you notice the reviews of AOKK so far, the comments are like, 'ok', 'adaki vaasichirukkaanga', 'its an ok effort','different interludes' etc. In fact, is it not always the case with a BM movie? Unlike an MR movie, where most of the songs tend to blow u away at the very 1st listening, BM movies usually have a kind of understated quality about them, that really hook you when you hear them in context, along with the movie. Remember marupadiyum?
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Was just listening to the BGM (of Mumbai Express) when the kid tries to convince Manisha about Kamal "Vera yaarukku pidichirukku..."...just a variation of POO POOTHADHU song, but its just great. At the end (when it dawns the next morning), listen how the tune transforms into a different tune only to become even better.
thanks
Krishnan
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On a quick hearing IR's song stands out. Although I wished he had added different stanzas for the pallavi's tune/interlude keep repeating, its differntly sung with a measured nonchalance, care-free feel and the inlerlude piece is instantly catchy. Wish he had done the same with the other songs. Because of commercial constraints some of those melodies no longer have natural instruments in them and the synth interludes are pretty average.
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Okay 12bums, if you think so. Freshness is something that one cannot give a prescribed definition for, but one can only sense upon hearing.
Vijayr, I agree with what you say. It's too bad for the commercial constraints. I'm not a MD, so I don't know whether the MD has the power to defy the commercial standards set down by the industry.
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Athu oru kana kaalam - long waited IRs album.. wonderful songs
Andha Naal - takes u away in the first listening this is what is soul stirring music ... wonderful interludes and flute pieces
Kaatu vazhi - awesome interludes
Kili thatu - typical raja song certainly catchy
Unnale - another good number
Ennada achu - ok number
On the whole - decent album from the maestro waiting for the BGMs
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Athu oru kana kalam has been released?
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The short interlude string piece in "Kaattu vazhi" took me back to the other wonderful flute/guitar piece just before "elmarak kaatukulla" from Nadodi thendral begins. That piece ends with a (deserved) applause. IR throws surprises now and then in his voice. "Yeh konji pesu" from Kaadhal Kavidhai wasted as the title song by Agathiyan was once such song that deserved more attention.
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Someone should convince IR to develop Kaatu Vazhi's interlude into a full-blown piece and also add different charanams to the song. I am hooked onto the piece.
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Sanjeevi see here
http://raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000680.html
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Ennada Nenache is a sure hit. I love the song
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Popye11,vijayr
totally agree with ur postings ..Kaatu Vazhi is just amazing ,soulful.....Iam hooked to it ..shld be a title song ...
I liked thsi album very much ...
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I hope kattu vazhi is not a title song, because it has too much meaning and IR sung it beautifully (the tone is clearly distinct). I hope it comes inthe middle where the movie gives our heart a big burden. I am picturizing this song pretty similar to "Ilan kaathu veesudhu". Lets hope BM used this song effectively.
BTW I havent seen a single BM movie with title song so far. May be I am wrong.
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Yes, Kaatu Vazhi is soulful. IR has his own trend always.
Antha Naal Naabakam song has traces of 'Elan Kaathu Veesuthe' from Pithamagan.
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Antha Naal Nyabagam is Cool.. I like it very much.. Kili thattu also seems good. yet to listen to the others..
Hope the movie makes good use of the songs.. but not very hopeful considering BM's last few flicks..
Cheers
MSK
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=183988&disdate=5/15/2005
Kamban-Vali connection...
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Kaatu Vazhi is quite beautiful. I don't really think the other songs are as good though.
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Andha Naal Nyabagam - soulful and "instantly attractive" song. Give you the butterfly effect when you think about your sweet old memories. Sure chart buster.
Kaatu Vazhi - amazing instrumentals. I think this was done as an instrumental and turned into a song. Watch out for that Irish folk type strings.
Kilithattu - Good melody again.
The rest 2 regular stuff and not bad at all.
I'm currently totally hooked onto Andha Naal Nyabagam and taking leave from "Piya Bole" from Parineeta. THE best melody I have heard so far this year. Amazing song.
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all songs are good.....defy a very good album compared to some of the latest releases.....this increases my eagerness on the Fazilz movie....IR must have come with some mindblowing compositions for that.
Rags
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Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (Malayalam)
http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movie/M0000926.html
Manathe Thamara has sort of an Elangaathu feel to it.
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Kili Thattu sounds like Chinna Chinna Vannak Kuyil frm Mouna Ragam?
I wish IR family stops using Bhavatharini - any thoughts?
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download athu oru kanaakalam songs http://www.tamilmaalai.com/mp3z/athu.htm
they sound great in better quality.
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This weeks Kunkumam has an interview with Fazil,he says the forthcoming Oru Naal.......... has 7 songs,the max no for one of his movies.He says all songs are different&he is very happy with the end result.Asked why he still sticks to IR,he replies "I was a fan of him even before I became a film maker,I love his compositions&RR"
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Listened to 3 songs of athu oru kanaakalam -
"Andha naal" - nothing unique, definite 'elangathhu' deja vu feel to it - the first interlude SUCKS BIG time -
'Kattu vazhi' is the pick of the lot - unusual tune and composition
'ennada' - YUK! an absolute piece of junk -
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'Kattu vazhi' is not fresh after all - it is the same tune as the first movement of the theme music of PANDAVAS earlier done by IR himself - listen to it, you will know!
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the way things are going, IR needs a Kamal to come up with something as amazing as MX
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on a song IR has composed for cheran's next movie "pokkisham" :
http://www.dinakaran.com/weekly/tamil/arangam/2005/May/17/chips.html
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NagaS, is'nt Cheran's next movie, Thavam Thavamirundhu?
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Guys go here, listen to the song "Aararo Paattu paada" and watch out for the first interlude (I recommend increasing your speaker volume).
http://www.tamiltune.com/MJ/Songs.php?Id=469&TypeId=10
This is what I call a musical ecstasy. I totally miss this IR and why the heck is he not giving us such interlude patterns. Is it KR who is screwing up with his synth mixing?
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NormalMan, I don't mean to sound like a smart-aleck or anything when I say this, but I think you should consult Ilayaraja about what you just said, about KR messing up IR's songs with his synth mixing.
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/musicreview/7256.html
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Nitya --> Trust me I would ask IR if I get a chance !! I don't think it will ever happen
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NormalMan, If you are in teh US, I will let you know when IR is vising NJ next time, you can meet him. I met him once and I had thousands of questions in my mind and all I could do was stare at him and nothing else.
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Andha naaL is more along the lines of OLiyile therivadhu than ILangaatru veesudhe. But the theme version of OLiyile with strings/flute was too good -andha naaL is missing all that.
Kaattu vazhi is still my pick.
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'andha naal' seems to be a modified slow version of the surya-vj melody(duet) number from friends
the 'oliyile' effect is due to those 'bell' sounds to match the lyrics.....
'killi thattu' is again a remix of IR's old number not sure....probably 'chittan chittan kurivi' from pudu nellu puthu naathu
'kattu vazhi' IR's voice is some thing to b noticed and the song is enriched bcos of his voice sounding like a old man's voice....good work by IR...
on the whole album is avg....its high time IR learns from ARR in giving variety in his music....unlike recycling his old songs this is the best time for him to utilise the time as he is not having too many films under his belt...
i wonder how BM chose these tunes inspite of having a great musical career with him like 'Moonram Pirai', 'Neengal Kettavai', 'Rettai Vaal Kuruvi', etc....
probably IR can stop with BGMs instead of goin for songs which cud atleast save his name in the field...i really feel hard write to these words being a die hard fan of IR
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"....its high time IR learns from ARR...."
kali muththidichi.
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vel wrote: |
"....its high time IR learns from ARR...."
kali muththidichi. |
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gopiharan wrote: |
ARR giving variety in his music....unlike recycling his old songs |
:ROTFL:
NagaS
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Athu oru..........-very average album from IR.Ennada Ninaicha is anything but impressive,unnale thokkam(picturised on Dhanush&tejashri) is an ordinary raunchy number. killi thattu is catchy but sounds very much like an old IR song.Antha naal nyabagam has good singing from Vijay yesudas&Shreya ghosal.Good song,typical IR.kattu vazhi is the pick of the lot,I am hooked on it.Minimal instruments&very good singing from IR.How I wish he had worked more on the first three songs mentioned above.
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ungalellam paartha enakku pavama irukku?? hmm....
whether u agree or not, ARR is the No:1 MD in Indian(including Tamil) cine industry today.... but at the same time i never said IR is waste,
he is a born genius that every one knows....but what it requires from him is to produce more variety in the songs like how ARR does in each of his films( no wonder where he copies from?? ) ....in that way IR can be 'Raja' to 'Ilasus' for another decade....
in this context MX is a far far better than AOK......especially the 'Poo Poothathu' song while experimenting in Jazz style....no one in India had ever thought of soft Jazz melody number in the recent past.......this is what IR needs to do from now....
athu enna ROTFL???
'il thaka seiya' mathiri ethavathu ketta varthaya???
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gopiharan wrote: |
ungalellam paartha enakku pavama irukku?? hmm....
whether u agree or not, ARR is the No:1 MD in Indian(including Tamil) cine industry today.... but at the same time i never said IR is waste,
he is a born genius that every one knows....but what it requires from him is to produce more variety in the songs like how ARR does in each of his films( no wonder where he copies from?? ) ....in that way IR can be 'Raja' to 'Ilasus' for another decade....
in this context MX is a far far better than AOK......especially the 'Poo Poothathu' song while experimenting in Jazz style....no one in India had ever thought of soft Jazz melody number in the recent past.......this is what IR needs to do from now....
athu enna ROTFL???
'il thaka seiya' mathiri ethavathu ketta varthaya??? |
ROFTL:Rolling on the floor laughing.
Gopi:Good you clarified but it's impossible not to laugh when reading your "IR should produce more variety like ARR¬ recycle his songs".You should know better as to who recycles songs more.
I also believe MX is a much superior album compared to AOKK.
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gopiharan,
You don't have to be in the garb of an IR fan to critisize him ....We have seen quite a few of your kinds...
ROTFL - Rolling On the Floor Laughing..
"il thaka sayya" ketta varthaya ?!?!?! Like vel said, nijamavE kali muthi pOchu
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gopiharan,
my comment (ROTFL) was not abt your review of AOKK ... Im yet to listen to this album ('coz im in client place and couldn't locate the CD in the stores here),
I wrote it because, its funny when you say ARR does less recycling when compared to IR ... NOM
NagaS
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Its true that ARR does less recycling than IR. But ARR also does less in the first place
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ada pavigala.....ungala mathiri 'Raja' ethu senjalum 'Saranam' podara alunga irukura varaikkum IRkku kavalaiye kidayathu......
eppavume ithe mathiri(Original music from his own cupboard instead of stealing from others) thaan kidaikum....
yappa samigala..... thevaiillama ARRayo IRayo kevala paduthura foruma itha aaka venam pa....
If u take the statistics of IRs songs post 1997 till date, the no. of recycles done by him is more compared to any MD even more than Deva(bcos he always relies on others ). Ofcourse the reason cud b, it is difficult for a person's brain to invent something new after being in the field for 30 years....
at the same time even today in FM Radios and other TV progms broadcasting 'Ninaithale Inikum' program, it is IR songs which feature most and we never get tired even when we hear every day just like taking milk every morning!!!
As how 'Moon' has a rising & wanning phase (Amavasai - Pournami), like every other MD, IR has reached his wanning phase and ARR is rising film by film. This is the fact of life and we shud try to accept this instead of bashing other MDs in this forum....
so if u wish IR to start another refreshing rising career ahead, he needs to reinvent something new and come up with more variety again entirely different from what he has done earlier....only then he can become globaly visible.....TIS is one of a good initiative...
namma aalu nalla nilamaikku varanumnu enakku mattum asai kidayatha enna...athukkaga mathavangala thootrina nammalu perusagiduvangala enna??
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The "Kattu vazhi" song is absolutely amazing. And I am extremely impressed with IR's singing.
Once again this brings back my long time desire of IR singing for ARR. How great would that be!
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Gopiharan, I agree with your overall sentiments. Adhu oru Kanaa kaalam much like Julie Ganapthy is just average stuff. Julie Ganapathy itself had almost all songs recycled. As for your wishes that IR should give more variety in TFM, I dont think that will happen unless the world turns upside down and suddenly all the directors are queuing up outside IR's house. He has clearly lost interest in TFM. Your best bet is to wait for non-TFM albums like TIS or for the occasional Guru or Kochu Kochu santhoshangal that he serves up for Mallu audience. In TFM, we would be lucky to hear 5 good songs/year. Thats my bold prediction, but I'll be glad to be proven wrong.
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Wish Kaatu vazhi's interludes were longer.
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vijayr wrote: |
Wish Kaatu vazhi's interludes were longer. |
Iam able to see how much you are hooked to 'kaatu vazhi'
Iam just awestruck with the way he finishes off the song singing 'la la la la...' mind blowing. the interludes and postlude can become a master piece, if worked upon separately. How i wished this song could have another charnam
This song reminds of the song from 'Eera vizhi kaaviyangal'? - paazhaya sogangal . where again he had sung with much ease and carelessness [carefulness]
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Just listened to each song once...glad that IR is back to his `soft-on-ears' songs...may be BM effect. Some sound like the TIME songs (nAn thanga roSA = onnAla thookkam kettu pOchu, for e.g.)...and many such `engEyO kEtta' feelings...Agree with most in this thread that `kAttu vazhi' is the pick...took me back to the days of `enna pAttuppAda, enna thALam pOda'
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(breaking the post so that the URL gets linked)
<digression>
Singer Chinmayee's comments on Ilayaraaja's Italy concert on her blog...
http://chinmayisripada.blogspot.com/2005/05/some-comments-i-have-to-reply-to.html
</digresson>
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Here is a harsh review on the album
http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Adhu_Oru_Kana_Kaalam_Album-74825-1.html
Smile
Sureshkumar
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ithe commenta konjam rendu varila naanga sonna mattum thituveenga...
aaana intha mathiri oru web pagela reviewa sonna ethupeenga.....
yaaro konja nerathukku minnadi sonna mathiri
kali muthiduchi....
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gopiharan --> None have accepted the web page review. I just don't understand why you are taking a mock on Suresh's views. If your views are logical, it will be accepeted.
"Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities."
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A Positive Review
http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Adhu_Oru_Kana_Kaalam_Album-74556-1.html
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I agree with Suresh. Songs are good, but IR-Balu has set high expectation that they didnt break. Like Suresh mentioned, I am looking for the next IR-Fazil music.
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Small digression,
Thops, thanks for the link to Chinmayi's blogspot,
( eppadi pidicheenga, BTW what happened to your blogs on the Tamil seinfeld pilot any plans to continue? )
nice write up and nice blogspot by Chinmayi. I don't know how many of the talented celebrities have their own blogspot, I think she is the first one I see as a known singer sharing her views about her related field and personal interests. I feel blogspots by celebrities would be a revolution in the way media shares the personal interests and views from a celebrirties perspective. I wish more and more celebrities share their views and interests with fans and other common people with common interest, because I feel this format is purely unbiased, non gossip oriented, not artificially initiated or made up expression/views coming spontaneously from them compared to the conventional media's interviews, snippets cooked up stories and what not. Imagine if IR , ARR have their own blogspots totally uninhibited ( what makes their inspirations for their enormous creative outputs etc.. etc.), ya.. only in my dream...
End digression
Prabhudas
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AOK is a major disappointment.
The only reason being lack of freshness. One can easily point out RD Burman's Hindi tunes because of their western stylishness. They were also amazingly catchy....
Similarly i find it incredibly easy to identify the recent tunes (not because of the melody nature, but because of the same IR Trash nature)......
The stanzas are absolutely predictable and the tunes look jarring sometimes.....
ME, AOK, PonMegalai and Karagattakari have been major disappointments for IR in 2005. I think he can retire after the Fazil movie.
Completely bored with IR.
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if you are bored, your ears will be pleased by VS, YSR, KR, ARR, HJ and others
- for they can compose music with 3 notes
- for they can compose music that will energize your body and mind
- for they willl compose music to keep you focused on what you do and still enjoy the song
- for they will compose music that fits to the movie and doesnt sound like a pop album or a remix album
- for they will score songs but "outsource" BGM to others, just because they dont have the skill and blame it on their busy schedule
please dont suggest that he retire, the feeling I get is like the feeling you will get if I ask you to retire from what you are doing, please dont do that. you do have other choice and so enjoy!!!
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"- for they will score songs but "outsource" BGM to others, just because they dont have the skill and blame it on their busy schedule"
Listen to the BGM of Dil Se, Lagaan, Swades, Alai Payuthey, Kannathil Muthamittal, etc. and tell me ARR doesn't have the skill for it.
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This thread is about IR's new albums.
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http://www.ajithfans.com
Read the news from the above site that Naan Kadavul by Bala is starting in June and IR is the MD. Is this confirmed?
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Yes normal man, unless God Father, which is stoped now, get life again and ask Bala to postpone the movie.
Is this the first movie IR is scoring for Ajith?
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NO Thodarum is the first movie ...then u had another movie starring Vijay ,AJith ( forgot the name ..has 2 good songs oru sudar ,ival yaaro)
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that movie is rajaavin paarvaiyilae
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To me, AOK sounded to be a very good effort of IR. The last 30/40 seconds of "andhanaaL gnabagam" was simply brilliant. It was nothing but pure symphony. IR fans who missed the end because the song sounded another run of the mill IR number, please listen to it again.
"kaattu vazhi" tune was typically IRish, but the instruments were FRESH, and I'm completely hooked onto it. The other songs seemed like situation songs. When I first heard Virumandi songs, it sounded ordinary, but it had such a wonderful effect when seen with the movie. Let me hope, its the same case here.
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=185453&disdate=5/23/2005&advt=2
another film with IR...
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Thanks app_engine. I'm kind of not expecting much from a TB comedy film.
I'm yet to get out of the hook from Kaatu Vazhi Kaal Nadia from AOKK.
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Thalaivars movie Nayakan in top 100 Movies list of
Times:
http://us.rediff.com/movies/2005/may/23time.htm
Time magazine's just-announced list of the 100 best
films in motion picture history can be called a safe
bet, but throws up a few interesting and quirky
suprises.
The list, compiled by Time's movie critics Richard
Corliss and Richard Schickel, contains the usual
American classics -- The Godfather, ET, It's A
Wonderful Life, Pulp Fiction -- but also includes some
eclectic and curious choices, making for quite a
well-compiled selection.
Any list of directors would be complete minus the
immortals, and here too is present the inevitable
lineup of gods -- Federico Fellini (8 1/2), Akira
Kurosawa (Yojimbo), Francois Truffaut (The 400 Blows),
Satyajit Ray (his Apu trilogy -- Pather Panchali, Apur
Sansar and Aparajito), Stanley Kubrick (Dr Strangelove
Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb)
and Alfred Hitchcock (Psycho).
Besides Ray's three celluloid masterpieces, the list
touches on a couple of other Indian films, treating
the varied genres with decided reverence -- Guru
Dutt's 1957 masterpiece, Pyaasa; and Mani Ratnam's
brilliantly crafted Godfather-istic 1987 film,
Nayakan.
The two critics spring a few surprises. Comedy genius
Woody Allen makes the cut, obviously, but not in the
expected manner. Instead of his most-acclaimed Annie
Hall, the Time scribes picked his delightful 1985
film, The Purple Rose Of Cairo.
Similarly, the list admits such shocking choices like
David Cronenberg's 1986 hit, The Fly. Picked by
Corliss, this selection evidently disgusted Schickel,
and Corliss' defence of the graphic Jeff Goldblum film
is very amusing indeed.
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IR is the MD for Thangar Bachchaan's next movie ...
NagaS
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http://tamil.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/24052005-2.shtml
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Listening AOKK songs...
Antha Naal, Kattu Vazhi, Kili Thattu are simply superb. Rest are not IR's standard.
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The ending of andha nAL gnyAbakam is really very soothing...
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Adhu Oru Kanaa Kaalam
Antha naal is mellifluous and soothing - pick of the album.
Kaatru vazi is rich, dark and earthy. Three cheers to Maestro.
Kili thattu - good song but for Bhavatarini's voice and that flute(?) pieces in the second interlude. It sounds very artificial and cheap. Maestro used that instrument extensively in Azagi. Speaking of which, this song (charanam) sounds like 'paattu cholli' from that film.
Unnalae Thookam - Disappointed to see Malati in Maestro's album.
"Ennada Ninaicha" is a pure disgrace.
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IR's speech in Jayakanthan paaraattu vizha :
http://pksivakumar.blogspot.com/2005/05/blog-post_111715106629424142.html
NagaS
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Sorry, forgot to add this note about the video ...
Eventho' its an ilakkiya meeting, IR speaks in detail about his childhood, how he learnt to play harmonium (even in sleep ), communist songs they used to sing / play in conerts ... its a plain and simple soRpozhivu - a delightful 30 minutes I would say Don't miss it !
NagaS
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andha nAL gnyAbagam ....I'm listening to this continuously today in the workplace...a number of times non-stop(on headphone)...love this song!
This had so much `original' ingradients of Raja that make it so much lovable...especially the soft sounds...and the accompanied strings...excellent female voice combined with a sodhappal male voice (remember `EdhO mOham'?)...first interlude that flows with the pallavi, but a distinctly different second interlude which means a scene change on-screen (probably played at a different time itself in the story line)...repeat of same line by both singers where the second one contributes an extra `this thing' (`kEtkudhE kEtkudhE...kovil ponmaNi...y..OsaigaL' is so sweet when the female voice repeats the ponmaNiyOsaigaL) and the ending with beautiful counterpoints that reach a crescendo when ending(is crescendo the musically correct term for the end of strings?)...
Got to grab the CD...will look for this when I go to `Indian store' next time...Is it available in Chicago (driving to Devan on Memorial day...)
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If BM attempts to remake some decent western film, with crisp screen play (avoiding the `ponmEni' kind of scenes altogether), at least three songs should get reasonable recognition among the masses...(andha nAL, kiLithattu & kAttu vazhi or onnAla thookkam)...Let's see...
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The mild `echo' effect too gives a good ambience for this song...
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app_engine, I bought mine from NJ, so it should be available. If not you can buy online.
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Digression: where can i download Hey Ram - both Hindi and Tamil MP3s and the BGM tracks
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Happened to hear a song ' [font=Times New Roman, serif]Oru Chiri Kandal' [/font]from the film
Ponmudi Puzhayorathu. Absolutely stunning tune and Interludes.
The singers have rendered it beautifully.... Vijay Yesudas voice is nice here... A must listen.
I wonder why IR is not re-utilizing such tunes / tracks in Tamil Albums ???
http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movie/m0000911/ponmudi-puzhayorathu.htm
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Ilaiyaraaja's Music Journey. A live Concert in Italy
17 Performers. 4 percussionists. 5 Strings. Flute. ? Swarlin. 6 Voice includes IR with his Harmonium.
I used to wonder, how some of my favourites would sound if they were rescored and performed. Well, that wish is fulfilled in this album.
It will be a treat to watch the second half of this concert. Though, 'MUSIC JOURNEY (LULLABY and GAMES of TAMILNADU)' sets the tone in the first half itself. Ambassador for Tamil Folk.
Watch out for the applause at the end of 'VEETUKKU'. It never seems to end. Close to 2 minutes. I wish I was there.
'Thumbi Vaa' makes me wonder what would happen if many of his gems were rescored for 20-70 piece orchestra. Maybe one day!!!!!
'ASAIYA KATHULA' is a treat.
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http://raaga.com/channels/tamil/top10.asp
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For the impatient...
http://www.rermegacorp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RM&Product_Code=IDA021&Category_Code=CU
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/cn/cn_home.asp?newsres=2&issuedate=5/31/2005&secid=1#RRjf%20RVWf\%20-%20^%20BL%20%20NR%20Szeh%20AZL
IR MD for `kasthuri mAn' (maLayALam movie's remake by Logithadas himself)...
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Oops..no link...please copy & paste the address to your browser...
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oru chiri kandaal from ponmudipuzhayorathu is indeed stunning. I have been listening to this song for the past 2 months and never gets tired of it. even my 3 year old son always wants to listen to it.
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http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movie/m0000914/achuvinte-amma.htm
Swasathin Thaalam is great.
anyone heard this below song? i think India' answer to the all time classic by Berlin "You Take My Breath Away"
http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/movie/m0000197/ennodishtam-koodamo.htm
Hey Nilakili - SJanaki version (composer SP Venkatesh - classy no.) 8)
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Dear friends,
Today we are celebrating Maestro Ilaiyaraaja's
birthday.
I take this opportunity to pray to God to bless our
Raja with a happy and long life. May we enjoy his
nectar of music for long time to come.
As a tribute to Him, shall we hear BGM from his latest
Mumbai Express? Its scored for the famous crane
scene, where Kamal tries to save Pasupathy and
kidnapped kid. Please download it from the link below
and enjoy.
Regular link (for all web browsers):
http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=125WZL4GWZ69T34JI442O42OMA
For Maestro's BGMs, pls join my group:
www.groups.yahoo.com/groups/maestromagic
Lovingly,
Venkatesh
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nathA, thanks for posting the link for "Ori chiri kandAl". Its indeed a wonderful song..
BTW, it somehow reminded me of "kaathal kavithaigaL pirandhidum nEram" from Gopura VaasalilE. Did anyone feel the same? Is it just that the "arrangement" for the 2 songs is similar?
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dear sudhakarg, both the songs are based on maya malava gowlai raagam.thats all.
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'Oru Chiri Kandal' - the Song has typical IR stamp throughout. it also has shades of 'oru kootil' from the unfamiliar number sung by chitra from the film 'Gokulam'.
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Both the numbers "Oru chiri kandaal" and "swaasathin thaalam" are amazing!!Great numbers from IR, wonder why he is depriving TFM fans of such great numbers!! konjam karunai kattu thalaivaa!
Oru Chiri kandaal shows shades of a TFM number "En idayam muzhuthum" from Illayavan.
the pallavi of swaasthin thaalam bears resemblance to some TFM number I can't name as it sounds very familiar and the charanam has WCM so beautifully intervowen in it!!
Are these some Malayalam movies for which IR scored music in the 90s-2000s?Can someone point me to good numbers in these movies?
Kochu Kochu Santhoshangal
Guru
Kaliyoonjal
Kallukondru Pennu
Man of the Match
Manssinakkare
Manjeerdhwani
Olangal
Pappayude Swantham Appoos
Ponmudipuzhayorathu
Poomukhappadyil Ninneum Kaathu
Twinkle Twinkle Little star
yaatra
yaatra mozhi
achuvnite amma
ponmudi puzhayaurthu
Friends/Geethanjali/Kaalapaani (have the tamil version)
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ss75,
most of the movies listed by you have IR as MD, but they are from a wider time period...some dating back to 80's (probably even 70's)...for example OLangaL could be late 70's or early 80's (with that memorable `thumbi vA' song) and yAthrA (yamunE ninnude nenjil...playing everywhere in 86 when I started in a job at Palakkad) is another Balu Mahendra movie is also old...
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Friends Tamil version has totally different set of songs (which I heard only recently)...I liked the Malayalam version better...
Geethanjali is dubbed from Telugu Geethanjali by Maniratnam(which also had a Tamil dubbed version, idhaiyathai thirudAdhE) and had the same set of songs...
kAlApAni, I think was made simultaneously in Malayalam & Hindi (by Priyadharshan / Mohanlal combo) and probably got dubbed into Tamil as siRaichAlai (and hence had the same set of songs)
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Of all these movies, I rate Guru as probably the best...(most DF'ers think so too)...However, songs from certain other movies were much more successful commercially and popular...one song which was immensely popular was from pappayude swantham appoos (olaththumba by SJ)...so much popular that it was the opening line of a manorama article on IR...and the I read somewhere that that song manifested itself in multiple versions in other languages...
mArikkoottinuLLil from kAlApAni was a big hit too...playing everywhere when it got released...
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The Most awaiting album of the year 2005
with IR + Fazil combo
Oru Naal Oru Kanavu
is releasing tomorrow
Enjoy with music
8)
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tamilnapster has done it again. They released the 'Oru Naal Oru Kanavu' over net.
Dont know how they do it. but enjoy the songs and buy original CD's dear all.
Right now downloading. will get back after listening
http://www.tamilnapster.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=76&st=0&#entry444
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can any one say how many films raaja has done so far? if it is an accurate figure it will be nice.thanks a lot
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heard a old song of raaja sung by vani jairam which starts like ''ethetho kanavu kandeno manam pol''. the tune is just similar to ''kanna vaa kavithai solven vaa thalaiva'' sung by s.janaki in the film maragatha veenai.can any one say which film is the song sung by vani jairam?
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For Oru Naal Oru Kanavu - On initial listening, i needed only 1 song to remind me how peerless IR is - Listen to Kaatril Varum Geethame . Watch for the instrumental progression. Awesome.
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Sonu nigam gets 3 out of 6 songs. Why and how?
His presence in MX was understandable - it's a bilingual.
Hope Udit Narayan in not next in the line!
My picks after one hearing:
Katril Varum [Bhavatarini, Sadhana Sargam, Shreya Ghosal, IR, Hariharan] - very soothing.
Konjum thira [Shreya Ghosal, Sonu nigam] - melodious, in parts.
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Just listening to Oru Naal Oru Kanavu songs
Illaimmukku or vegam: very fast paced number sung by Sonu Nigam. (sounds very YSRish)
Enna Paatu: starts off slowly but a fast paced number sung by Sonu Nigam. (with some karpaana swaram and veenai interludes towards the end of 2nd charanam).
Sonu for a change sounds better than Udit who kills the lyrics!
Kaatril Varum: Absolutely stunning classical number rendered by Bhavatarini. Towards the 2nd charanam, IR sings with Hariharan.
More updates to come...
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how 2 download songs from this site guys?? no link anywhere to download after the fast reply???
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Rajasaranam, thanks for the link!
Kaatril Varum: I am very glad that this happened to be first on my list. Very pleasant start to the song. Well started by Bhavatharini and with minimal instruments (tabla, flowing flute bits with minimal synth stuff). Guess this is something of a isai kudumbam song. Interludes are short and soothing (probably all of synth). Shreya joins Bhava in the first charanam and she sounds too good. Second interlude is again a short one but a very soothing flute. Shreya starts the second charanam and is joined by Hariharan & Sadhana Sargam. IR joins after the end of 2nd charanam and sings pallavi with Hariharan. An excellent song.
Khajiraho: After hearing the beginning of this song it brought back me to the current IR's trend of music, still I felt interludes were longer (in comparisons with his recent short interludes), better and suited the type of situation. Guitar accompanies the beginning of this song with some humming by Shreya aswell. Second interludes sees more of Guitar (is that Guitar passage in 1st interlude aswell or synth?). Check it out. Charanam & interludes make this song a better song. Shreya and Hariharan has sung this song.
Enna Paattu: Beginning tune is pretty catchy but I did not find the drums along with rythm pattern that catchy or foot tapping. First interlude is ok with full synth stuff. Second interlude sounds better and more catchy (probably has some real trumpets...i might be wrong). A situational song...should sound better in the movie. Sonu nigam has done a decent job.
Ilamaikku: The prelude is pretty decent but is spoilt by synth stuff. Just imagine if it was done with real drums, piano, trumpets, etc, it would have elated the song to a much higher level. I could not stop myself from thinking how the song "Oru Maina..." (Uzhaippali) begins (although it too has little synth stuff) or take any other old IR song. Neverthless, the rythm that follows with drum beats is pretty good with guitar interspersed with Sonu singing the fast paced pallavi. The fast paced rythm pattern is maintained through out the song which is good. First interlude could have been better if some real drums, piano, trumpets were used. Charanam tune sounds better and is fast paced again. 2nd interlude sounds better. Sonu has really sung the song well. Although a very fast song, his tamil pronounciation has come out very well (albeit very very few places). Charanam, rythm pattern & Sonu's singing make this song decent.
Konjam Thira: Tune is decent but somehow "Thavikkiren Thavikkiren" (from TIME) came to my mind, I dont know why. Interludes could have been better. Better interludes would have inspired me to write more about this song. Shreya & Sonu has done a decent job.
My pick is Kaatril, Konjam Thira & Ilamaikku. As 12bums say, Kaatril is enough to make us be proud of IR. Just amazing song!
Teja, there is nothing wrong in using Sonu (or any NI singers) as long as they dont murder the language. If you see Sonu has really done a pretty decent job in pronounciation department (even in the fast paced Ilamaikku). Sonu must have impressed IR with his performance in Mumbai Xpress and probably thats the reason he gets more songs and I feel he may become more regular for IR. Lets see. Sonu is a very good singer and has his own style. I dont know how many songs he has sung in Tamil after "Vaarayo thozhi".
IR has already used Udit in some dubbed hindi movies and also in the remake of KASI in kannada (for one song). As long as Udit continues to kill tamil, I feel he may not get a chance to sing under IR for a tamil movie.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Krish,
I am not against NI singers either.
True, Sonu's pronounciation is much better than his other NI counterparts.
It's his voice - IMO, it just doesn't suite tamil songs. He's fine at a low pitch but sounds very strained at high pitch and over-zealous most of the time.
Eg: Listen to fag end of Konjum Thira's charanam.
Shreya is effortless, but Sonu... hmm!!
You might not agree with me.. but again, opinions differ.
Back to the topic - I just love "Konjum Thira". Look at the way IR uses silence - the brief pause between first interlude and charanam and the way charanam picks up... wow Mesmerizing!.
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Thiruvasagam getting released on 30th June
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/009200506061802.htm
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Yet to listen, but can some one who listened to "ONOK" already, is it comparable to " V 16 , KM or Kannukkul Nilavu songs of IR-Fazil combo, their last combo, kannukkul Nilavu was one of the best IMHO if ONOK is as good as that, I can celebrate even without listening to ONOK for few days
Prabhudas
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I wouldnt go to the extent of comparing Varusham 16 with ONOK, but I'd certainly rate it on par, if not better than KM or KN, the other Fazil-IR combos. There's a certain modernism that has seeped into IR's compositions these days - I might be referring to the predominant use of synthesizers, something that sounds fabulous in Karthikraja's music, but not necessarily in IRs, simply cos thats not his style. V16 had that clear, unadultrated, unsynth sound thats hard to match these days. Something IR repeated with 'Endu paranjalum' in Achuvinte Amma recently. The same movie had a synthesized sound in 'Shwasathin thaalam' but it did sound good nevertheless.
Strange that other synth regulars like ARR and HJ have stopped using it so obviously, but IR seems to be still holding on to that sound.
But dont worry. The tunes in ONOK are perfectly in place and that would hold it in very good stead. If only Fazil's script is decent, we should have another good hit from this combo, after all the movie's success does play a key part in popularizing the songs.
Karthik
www.itwofs.com
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Just to add on to my above post, I personally noticed this dominant synth sound in Nandhavana Theru, while I was expecting some simpler arrangement like the previous RV Udhayakumar-IR combos like Kizhakku Vaasal. I have seen IR hold on to that kind of sound ever since. Even ONOK's 'Ilamaikku' sounds like 'Adichu Pudichu' from Nandhavana Theru, but sounds much better because of a better tune, IMO.
Karthik
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Karthik ,
I liked Adichu Pudichu song too ...
Regarding the songs ,iam liking all the songs ....I bet on repeated hearings ,songs are going to be cool
I do find sonu Nigam's prononunciation good but his accent is bit disturbing at high pitches ...
I think issue on SYnthetic sounds - with better sound engineering ,they can be made look good ....The one song which irriated me abit was highwaysile song from manasellam ..
ARR ,HJ stopped using synth -I thought Anniyan ,New had alot of synth stuff
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Teja ,
Did u note that the Kjraho song sounds similar to KOmmalo Kokila From NN ,similar beat pattern and similar tune ( only for pallavi ) ?
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Oh I like adichu pudichu too! Just that, the kind of synth sound is becoming all too common in IR songs. Something that was not the case previously. His orchestral simplicity probably highlighted the sheer beauty of the tune earlier, best witnessed in many Bharathiraja movies.
ARR/ HJ's synth usage is a lot more subtle in my opinion and very different from that of IR's usage. Most recent IR tracks like those in AOKK have that all pervasive, eerie synth backdrop thats getting monotonous.
Even in a beautiful number like 'ennai thaalaatta varuvaayo' there was ample synth in the interludes, but it was better blended with the tune. There's a particular stamp that has now become IR's style contrary to his style that defined nativity...in the early 90s it was the use of Arunmozhi with synth, these days its just synth
But where its better blended with a well laid out tune, as in ONOK, the results are very pleasing. ONOK is a welcome addition to IR's repertoire!
Karthik
www.itwofs.com
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Ponnuku Mapillai song ...Iam some how reminded of the song " Yenga oru kadhala pathi enna ninaikira' song from soem rama rajan movie !
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One of the best of Rajas' recent albums.
Kajiraho, Konjam thira and kaatril varum are nothing less than excellent
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
Teja ,
Did u note that the Kjraho song sounds similar to KOmmalo Kokila From NN ,similar beat pattern and similar tune ( only for pallavi ) ? |
Right, kind of similar.
Also, the instrumental piece in the first few seconds resembles "Idhayamae Idhayamae" from July Ganapathy.
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Need more reviews
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I listened to it once. I find some similarities with previous Raja songs, but added with synth sound and extended interludes. Will post my review tonight again!
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For reviewing one needs a bit of musical knowledge and listening to it multiple times ..Otherwise it is just a crap or ego brewing activity ...However if u are intrested in how the feel of the songs ..here it is
BY 'feel' i mean ,the mood of the song with orchestration resembles that song -not necessarly an inspiration or a resemblance.
1.Elamikku -Sonu Nigam As Teja has said it 'sounds' like Adichu Pidichu song .the mood of the song is bit similar to hero introduction song who sings about life in general .The highlight of the song is charanam and the second interlude -Absolute ecstasy .The charanam is in the mood of Mohan's stage songs or u can imagine 'Naan Kannum Ulankangal ' from kasi charanam with techno beats .
2.Enna Paatu -Sonu Nigam
This song is about music -Imagine a hero singing this song to an arrogant heroine .U can imagine this song as like 'chinna chinna kuilae ' from manasellam with synth beats and with a bit more pace.Again iam very much impressed with charanam and the second interlude -the mood is again 80s with mild synth beats .Wonder who is the lyricsts- Mu ,Mehta /Muthulingam ??
3.Katril Varum -Bhavatharni ,Sadhana Sargam ,Shreya ,Hariharan ,Raaja sir
As everybody says it is a classical piece -a soothing piece.The feel of the song can be compared to 'Sollayo Vai thiranthu' from MogaMuL.Its a sung on Lord Krishna - or probably the heroine sings it othinking of the hero .The feel of the song is a clasical piece sung by a family or in some function . The way in which charanam ends is just beautiful .Hariharan ,Sadhana ,Shreya join in the charanam .A big winner is this song .
4.Kharajo -Hariharan ,Shreya
As i have mentioned the feel of the song is Kommalo Kokila song .A typical hariharan type of melody .You can also get the feel of Roja Poo Punthottam song,esp the interludes ( of spanish guitar ?) .Again amazing charanam .
5.Konjam Thira - Sonu ,Shreya
Three Shreya ,Three sonu Nigam songs ..Good choice for this song atleast ..Shreya has never let us down in any raaja song .This song can also be considered in that way .Iam not able to exactly describe how the feel of the song -Again great charanam ,esp towards the end with the violin harmony .Probably it can remotely have the feel of 'thavikiren' song from Time .
6.PonnukItta Mapillai -Tippu ,Manchari
Manchari is the singer who sang Swasthin Thaalam song .This is a 'Marriage ' song ,but of teasing song .Nice song .Folkish a bit .This song can be compared to a song ' Mudichu vecha' from IR -KR album kadhalai Gauravikum Neram .The second charanam change tracks to melody.
To SUmmarize, in my opinion ,Raaja has 3 sure shot hits ,2 nice song ,1 listenable song .Only downside ,sonu nigam sometimes sounds a bit northee accented ,a bit more use of synth sounds - otherwise ,this album is definetely a treat -U can go to a shop and straight away pick this albuM !
Another thing that impressed me is the bass pieces are prominent in most of the songs -Techie experts ,confirm
This is a album with superb charanams !
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album just rocks....khajirao, kaatril and konjam thira are just awesome and my favs in the album. other 3 songs are also good but nowhere near to these 3 songs.
rags
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kajiraho is fantastic !!! it resembles to roja poon thottam from KN (also interlude music).
nonetheless, a great song.
songs available in coolgoose.com for downloads !!!
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I was reading through some of the older TFM DF postings and came to know of a DC Hub and/or a dedicated FTP server from where folks used to download IR songs in mp3?Does any of these still exist?
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My take on ONOK numbers - sour points for me - (i) the annoying synthetic stuff, be it percussion or the guitar riffs and (ii) absolute shocking absence of strings, violins in most of IR's recent albums - I reiterate once again, IR needs Kamal to come up with natural sounds/instruments;
without violins, IR composing music is like Shane Warne bowling with a lemon - why doesn't he use violin ensembles anymore ? - boohooooo, sob, sob from a HCIRF
Elamikku: JUNK - by IR standards - neither are the interludes inventive nor the tune itself - Sonu Nigam struggles in high pitch
Konjam Thira: interludes are OK - tune is so-so reminds me of 'Enna solli paaduvadho' (is it from Solla Marantha Kadhai ?)
Kharajo: ah! this song had ample oppurtunities for violins to fill in spaces, but IR choses synth violins - WHY ???
good tune - had it been embellished with violins, would have been sweeter - the one song that stays with you at the first listening
Katril Varum - reminds me of the Hindi classic 'Chandan sa badhan, chanchal shikuvan' - a gem nevertheless
Ponnukitta Mapillai - sounds like some T Rajendar composition, except for the second charanam which has typical IRish silken soft melody - a song like this by the IR of 80s, would have had terrific 'nayyandi' type guitar riffs and keyboard puches -
Enna Paattu - nice composition - might become popular soon, but the synth percussion is just blo*dy irritating!
overall, IR created immense oppurtunities for some opulent violin usage in this album, but shockingly refrains from using the same! WHY ?
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The light drums in Kaatril Varum are just awesome. Sonu Nigam seems to be the latest crush of IR. It was Arunmozhi, then Hariharan, then it was Unnikrishnan for a very brief time. Now it is Sonu Nigam I see.
I especially liked the guitar piece in Khajuraho. After a few hearings I find the Ponnukitta mapillai number also very catchy.
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Ponnukitta Mapillai also reminds me of 'Kalyana Tharagare' from Eeramana Rojavey
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and also 'Marugo marugo' from Vetri Vizha
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Teja, I like Sonu's singing and his voice, but I sort of agree with you that his voice becomes a bit over-zealous in high pitch. I dont know if its the uncomfort that is associated by singing in an alien language.
Yes, even I liked the silence that IR gives in some of his songs. In this song, silence is given in two places. One that comes before the first charanam starts and the second that comes after the second charanam finishes. Other songs that comes to my mind (but as far as I remember silence comes only in one place) are ENNAI THAALATTA VARUVAALA (KM) & THAVIKKIREN (TIME). In ETV (KM), the music that starts after the silence is just amazing! Suited the song situation to a T!
MumbaiRamki, even I felt the same about Sonu's accent at high pitches. It becomes something like Thanglish . Yes, pallavi sounds very similar to Kommallo Kokila. Forgot to mention these in my comments. I was not able to download PONNUKKU MAAPPILLAI song! Agree with you that bass portions seems to be more prominent.
Inetk, I perfectly agree with your comments on the synth stuff that IR uses (and has become his style). Last weekend I was watching "Kadalora Kavithaigal" on some channel, one needs to feel the effect of strings sections, violins, flute, those bass portions, etc in songs like ADI AATHADI, Kodiyile and also POGUTHE POGUTHE.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Was litening to Kajiraho again. The feel of the music somehow resembles a song from THODARUM. Forgot which one is that.
Krishnan
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Krishnan,
That song may be "Shock adikkum poove.." from Thodarum.
Btw..
Did anyone feel this..?
The charanam of Kajiraho has similarities with "Kaadhal Maharaani.." from Kaadhal Parisu..
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IR should check the pronunciation aspect when Sreya or Sadana sings..
Sreya sings "Kaamanin VaLipaadu.." for Vazhipaadu.
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Just listened to the italy concert samples.I wish the samples were longer than 15-20 secs.Courtesy: Maestro's Magic Group
All songs are excellent, especially the 3 note song..
Thank you IR for this wonderful masterpiece and thankyou Mastero's magic group for giving the sneak peak.
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sseshadri, which group are you talking about? Can you provide a link?
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OK, found the link myself
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MaestroMagic/
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Are you talking about this
[img]http://dvdunlimitedonline.com/shop/images/ir_angelica.jpg[/img]
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Yup,subscribe to this group and listened to the samples.I can't wait to hear Orch Mood Kapi fully in the original version (what a mindblowing composition)...superbly intervowen violin and flute interludes..vijayr did you listen?
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Definitely *the* season's best album from IR. Fazil 'd received an unique quality album as he was mentioning to the media earlier.
IR has made a significant difference in terms of instrument arrangements, singers selection and in all musical aspects. Any innovative approach by the maestro will make a mark in TF history for sure.
As IR surprised us by attempting 100% jazz in Mumbai express, there are few surprises waiting in this album too.
Katru varum : Classically crafted with simple tabla, ethnic flute, co ordinance of singers and beautifully mastered mixings.
Mellifluous voices of Bavatharini, Shreya & hariharan gives us a deep devotional feeling for a while. One thing to note about this song is, it somehow reminds me the songs "enna samayalo" from unnal muduyum thambi and "vysnava" from Heyram. May be the tune belonging to a same raga. People who know classical music can clarify this point.
Khajirago kanavil: Starts with mild shreya's humming accompanied by guitar followed by some magical synth flutes. The rich start of this song makes our minds ready for a musical treat for the next 5 mins. When Hariharan starts singing, the chord changes lifts the song up up ...and never leaves down. Stunning guitars, interlude violins, singers perfection ...there are more than enough good points to qualify this song as the best of the album.
Enna pattu: A stunning song from Maestro who brings a fresh feel to our ears with a fusion of classical and western beats. Sonu must be feeling lucky to be IR's choice for this song. The usage of swaras are damn good to hear with unusual accompaniments.
Konjam thira: Yet another beautiful but a usual melody from IR.
Ilamaikku vegam: A solo song sung by sonu nigam. The Interludes and charanams are enjoyable in this song but the Pallavi somehow fails to impress.
Ponnukitta mapplillai: May be good to watch with movie.
Interestingly the album has beaten all the expectations by a huge margin. IR fans can cheer up and celebrate for his rocking performance.
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I was watching Konji Pesalama on DVD the otherday. I was surprised to hear "never-heard-before" song during the initial credits.
Konji pesalam kuyilgale by Bhavatarini.
[Pardon my tamil - I couldn't figure out the third word ...]
Charanam of that song is damn good!
Not sure if this song is featured on the Audio CD.
So, I've uploaded it to my site. Check it out.
http://www.themelody.net
Jukebox -> New Releases -> Konji Pesalama
Ignore this post if this song is an old news.
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am not able to download...Can someone pls send the files to me ?
shankar.ramanathan@gmail.com
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ok....could download atlast...
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teja, thanks for the rare clip. The tune is very simple, composed perhaps keeping Bhava in mind :-)Konji Pesalam had a couple of good tunes messed up by bad synth-heavy interludes. Unnai thedi is a good example.
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ONOK is as ordinary as albums go. Kaatril varum geetham alone will warrant a second listen. Rest of the songs - a mix of not-so-hummable ordinary tunes and forgettable synth-heavy interludes, an annoying characteristic of recent IR songs.
Kaattu vazhi sung by IR is still my pick from these last few albums.
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Well, this is my take on "Oru Naal Oru Kanavu": three songs are noteworthy.
1. "Enna Paattu Vendum Unakku". The tune is HAMSADHWANI raagam with very clever graha-bedham performed. Even though I wish IR had used some natural instruments, this song is five-hundred times better than "Suppose Unnai Kaathalukku" in Sukran.
2. "Kaatril Varum Geetham". Of course, this is a KALYANI based song, and the best thing about it is NATURAL ORCHESTRATION. I know, the first line of the pallavi sounds like "Somasaama Vadane" by the Late Raveendran Mash in the Malayali Mammootty film "Vishnu".
3. "Konjum Thira." What an aural treat! It seems like forever since I last heard an out-of-this-world song by Ilayaraja. It evokes a dreamy state of mind.
The other 3 songs didn't make an impact on me, but it's the goodness in the album that stands out. In fact, I dare say this album puts "Athu Oru Kaana Kaalam" to shame.
Regards,
Nitya
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Listening ONOK songs
Konjam thira is a stunning song. Wov what a song. I feel it is a very nice lick 80's type song of IR.
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Teja,
no that title song didn't feature in the original CD for some reasons and it is one of the good songs but for Bhava's ordinary rendering. Did you rip it from the DVd , I was planning to do that, have you made it as a mp3 clip for download or just streaming it?
Listened to "ONOK" songs, I don't know those mp3s online are ripped from original CD, the quality is pretty bad ( I hope the recording is better in the original CD), can't wait to get the CD,
I liked three songs of all the songs,
1.Konjum thira ... too..... good (the Cd will be worth just for this great song
2.Kajuraho kanavil...sounds an extension of "roja poonthottam of "KN" yet too good interludes especially the second one ( the biggest disappointment is the overusage of the synth stuff), I am hooked to this song instantly
3.Kaatril Varum - song another good song
rest are the usual stuff nothing extraordinary
most of the Dfers have alraedy said it, why is IR stuck with these synth usage ( Honestly anybody knows atleast a partial truth behind his almost regular pattern of overindulgance with synth in the last several years, kadavulukku dhaan theiriyum), they still stand out distinctive but sound often extremely repitetive
I am sure the "Kajuraho Kanavil" song theme might play a major BGM clip in the movie
Prabhudas
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Yes raja_fan! Its "Shock Adikkum poove" song. Thanks!
thanks,
Krishnan
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@Prabhudas,
Yes... I ripped it from DVD into MP3 format.
@Nithya,
You said it. Konjum thira is simply out of the world melody.
Especially the Anupallavi and Charanam.... It creates a lullaby effect on me
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Guys, did anyone listen to the bonus tracks. There are 2 more versions of Kaatril Varum Geetham - one is sung by IR himself and is preceded by dialogue between himself and Vaali. It was cool to listen to Vaali coming up with the lyrics! The next is a poppish version and is a duet by Shreya and Bhavatharini. Guys, watch out for the violin interlude. I have been waiting for a long time for such an interlude from Raja and after a long time here it is!
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>>>2.Kajuraho kanavil...sounds an extension of "roja poonthottam of "KN" yet too good interludes especially the second one ( the biggest disappointment is the overusage of the synth stuff), I am hooked to this song instantly
Does anyone else feel that Julie Ganapathy's 'Idayame idayame...' song also sounds similar to the Kajuraho song in ONOK? Or is it just only me!?
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Offcourse, "Enna Paattu..." seems similar to the charanam of "Suppose unnai.."
But this is not the first time IR uses this kind of a tune, one may remember the "kaadhal kasakkudhaiyaa.." from Aanpaavam
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Just happened to listen to a song TAJMAHAL (from AMARAVATHY). I did not show much of interest in listening to other songs...but this song's start promised for something different to come. If I had not known prior to listening that the composer is Bala Barathy, I would have certainly thought that its IR! From top to bottom, BB has followed IR's style. The song is nice though.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Listen to all the songs krish,very nice album.
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All songs came previously with IR dialog were great hits.
One example is 'Kanmani Anbodu' from Guna.
Now it is the time for Kaatril Varum Geethamae.
Wov what a classical song!.
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=188932&disdate=6/9/2005
...Saroja Devi laments IR didn't begin his career during her time...
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IR is the MD for 'Jithan'Ramesh's next film 'Madhu'being directed by a newcomer.
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Cinefan wrote: |
IR is the MD for 'Jithan'Ramesh's next film 'Madhu'being directed by a newcomer. |
URL abt this movie: http://www.dinakaran.com/weekly/tamil/velli/2005/Jun/10/chips.html
NagaS
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Nagas,
Translation please ...
For this too..
"http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=188932&disdate=6/9/2005
...Saroja Devi laments IR didn't begin his career during her time..."
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app_engine,
Saroja Devi just says "IR had not entered the field when I was
acting..let God bless him with long life"
It is like saying "I did not interact much with that person"..Where does she lament ?
Aarva kolaarula naan andha linkukku poi emaandhutten !
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Saroja Devi doesnt need to lament as MGR-Saroja Devi hits are evergreen. MSV has been just prolific in giving melodies .......
So I really doubt if the oldies would lament for missing IR in their times.
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vem wrote: |
Saroja Devi doesnt need to lament as MGR-Saroja Devi hits are evergreen. MSV has been just prolific in giving melodies .......
So I really doubt if the oldies would lament for missing IR in their times. |
What are you trying to say: MSV>IR&IR's songs are not evergreen?
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Nope !!! What I mean to say is that MSV was equal to IR in giving melodies atleast to MGR and Sivaji. So the actors and actresses have nothing to crib about.
My post had no mention of IR !!!
But it is not the same case with new actors. They may feel that they didnt get a chance that Mohan, Kamal etc got from IR (such as songs from Nenjathai Killathe, Sigappu Rojakkal etc etc).....
Nevertheless, the new non melodious dapan kuthu songs that come now are also becoming major hits - but they are not evergreen.
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NagaS,
enan amaithi ya irukeenga ..WHats ur take on ONOK ,esp sonu Nigam's pronounciation ?
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ONOK sounds like a decent IR album. Kajiraho is an exact Roja Poonthottam from KN.
Other songs r predictable.
My take is: This album doesnt have the Kadhalukku Mariyadhai magic. Fazil could have used VS as he does for his Malayalam ventures.
It looks like BM is going to direct 3 movies after AOK.
Asked if IR would be his choice, BM told that IR's Background music is very important to his movies. So I think most of the faithful ones to IR stay with him only for his BGM (as his songs sound very mediocre nowadays).
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"Khajiraho ...." is my pick. Amazing strings in the beginning and in the interludes. Wonder why IR did not use it consistently instead of the stupid synth (sure KR had a hand there).
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I dont know why whenever there is some Synth Usage everybody blames KR
I believe its done by IR only post Kadhalukku Mariyaadhai's roaring success
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Rajasaranam
Relax man.
Currently listening to album, will write a review later
as of now its all good, decent album
Sonu nigam has done a good job, i dont know what others are complaining about.
Katril has yaman kalyani shades just like yamunai atrile from Thalapathy.
I liked the way Vali Sir and Raja Sir interact
Right now remixing(killin) old song with acid loops is the in thing, nice melodies get hardly appreciated.
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Kaatril varum geethame starts off with the same notes as "naan paada varuvaai" from Uthiri pokkal but changes towards the end of the line. I believe IR has given better Kalyanis before:
Naan paada varuvaai
Vaidehi raman from Pagal Nilavu
VandhaaL mahalakshmiye
and plenty others.
Kaiveenayai by Bombay Jayashree from Vietnam Colony(her debut song) was a noteworthy number in Hameer.
"Right now remixing(killin) old song with acid loops is the in thing, nice melodies get hardly appreciated.
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uv, mainly YSR has been doing that of late. He is one thoroughly messed up MD.
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
NagaS,
enan amaithi ya irukeenga ..WHats ur take on ONOK ,esp sonu Nigam's pronounciation ? |
currently in a training , But could download and listen to all songs (atleast once ) in ONOK and AOKK ... will post my comments after few more listenings
But I have no issues with Sonu Nigam's tamil - atleast he seems to be making a decent effort to pronounce everything right or he has a better teacher when compared to sadhana sarppam
NagaS
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I listed to ONOK for the last few days thru net and I bought the CD finally today. CD is just amazing. Best of 2005 by IR so far (MX also is good)
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vem wrote: |
Fazil could have used VS |
VS ? Thats little too much ... ONOK is better and more complete than any VS album in the last two / three years ! (Im talking about his tamil albums only !)
NagaS
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Are we still trying to evaluate each of IR's albums through the prism of the 80's, expecting the magic of a Johnny or a Moondram Pirai? Given close to 3 decades of prolific output, is it a fair expectation to have that an artist, or indeed any professional, perform at the same creative level? Are we just as fresh, enthusiastic and energetic in our work even with the passing of 10 years?
I think ONOK is a far superior album than anything sitting on our market shelves today. Never mind that "Sachien" with its quota of Chiranjeevi inspired 'nothing' songs (and remember, this is supposed to be a tender love story) and a very ordinary "Chandramukhi" (which is as faux-IR as VS can get) are the two chart-toppers. In his 5 albums this year (3 Tamil and 2 Malayalam), IR has shown fleeting, but many glimpses of his magic that can still put other contemporary MDs to the shade.
Poo poothadhu (Mumbai XP), Kaattu vazhi (Oru naal oru kanavu), Kaatril Varum (ONOK) - show me any set of 3 songs by a single MD in 2005 that has straddled this diversity in genres and moods? My expectations from IR are tempered by an understanding of his limitations - age, limited inspiration, perhaps a dwindling in creative instincts.. So I'm more than happy if there's even one song in an album that springs a surprise, with the subtle nuances that an experienced IR-listener can pick and revel in. If the likes of Sathyan Anthikkad, Fazil and Balu Mahendra stick to him and even celebrate their collaboration, evidently there's a meeting of minds between them and IR that may not necessarily result in platinum discs, but are contributing to the larger aesthetics and wholeness of their films.
I would request you to watch the song clip of "Enthu paranjalum" in Sathyan Anthikkkad's "Achuvinte Amma" if you get a chance, and then listen to the audio track where Sathyan describes the evolution of the songs with IR's harmonium-backed humming. You will see a rare (in present times) confluence of minds that have been able to conjure in a few fleeting minutes of creative collaboration, a memorable piece of cinema where the visual, the audio and the script merge so seamlessly to present a perfect example of choreographed teamwork.
Vem, I don't think Fazil has ever used VS in any of his Malayalam films. It's always been Ouseppachan in Mal (if not IR) and IR for Tamil.
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suresh - you have nailed it right there ! but, as a HCIRF, I am a pampered music fan (spoonfed by IR's own hands, with rich music food from childhood) and and I WANT STRINGS, VIOLIN ENSEMBLES, CELLOS, VIOLAS, and the sound of natural percussion, either TABLA or DRUMS or whatever - for some reason or the other, IR is forcing himself to ignore/avoid all these instruments that served him like the magic wand and that is what bugs me (and I suppose several others) - 'oru naal' from Devadhai, had an outstanding baroque style movement in the second interlude - for me I want things as grand as that
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guys - after listening to ONOK several times, my gut feeling is that the album will be an out-and-out chartbuster! 'Ponnukkindha' song will become as popular as 'yeh aathhaa' when Payanangal Mudivadhillai was released
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A song from film "Poo vizhi vaasalile". Satyaraj and the kid.
Another song. Prathap pothan and a small girl in the song. Film:Moodu pani(?)
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"Are we still trying to evaluate each of IR's albums through the prism of the 80's, expecting the magic of a Johnny or a Moondram Pirai? Given close to 3 decades of prolific output, is it a fair expectation to have that an artist, or indeed any professional, perform at the same creative level? Are we just as fresh, enthusiastic and energetic in our work even with the passing of 10 years? "
Suresh, this is not a completely valid argument. IR is doing less number of films these days, just 4 or 5 per year. So no harm in expecting freshness in atleast 3 out of 5 songs in every album, but we still get duds like Karagatakaari and so on. Also when his mind is still creatively fresh enough to do something like TIS, if he even shows a fraction of that creativity/enthu/dedication in doing TFM albums the output would be far better. Raja's best in the last 10 years has come in MFM, not TFM.
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Similiarities by something
Khajiraho - Roja Poonthotttam
Katril Varum - Janani Janani
Konjam Thira - (a) Naal Thorum (b) Thavikiraen
Ponnukintha - Kalyana Tharagarae
Antha Naal Gnabagam - Oliyilae Therivathu
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Suresh I absolutely agree with you. Vijay you have defeated your own argument. Look at these 5 albums - ONOK, AOK, MX, Karagatakaari and Konji Pesalam. Do you mean to say that not even three out of these 5 lack freshness. Please note that whenever the situation has demanded it , he has delivered. You keep harping on karagatakari whenever you can. But have you seen the movie? It did not even deserve the songs it got(which btw were quite decent, though not path breaking). Some time back you were complaining that he is not choosy about his projects, but now that you have films from the cream of Indian cinema lined up - BM, Kamal and Fazil, you crticize the lack of freshness, which again is vain.
In the 80's IR could try out anything, and set the trend, but unfortunately, as Suresh says, now the so called trendsetters relying totally digital loops and the requirement that songs should set the boombox in your car stereo vibrating, where is the outlet for all the rich orchestration of the 80's. If you notice there has been a progression in IR's music. His 70's music sounded different from his 80's music, as did his 90's music. Obviously, the 21st century has brought changes to his music according to the changing times. But the core of his music is still the same. When you listen to a Poo poothathu or a Kaatril varum geetham, you know its IR!
I also see reviews saying, that the first line sounds like an old song or a small portion of an interlude reminds one of another old song. Come on guys! 30 years of premium music and you still want each note to be different?!
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" It did not even deserve the songs it got"
then why did he accept to do the movie?
12bums, Kaatril varum geetham - is the lone winner from ONOK and even this is not anything out-of-the-world. Have heard many and better songs from IR in the same Kalyani scale. The orchestration(or the lack of it) in ONOK is pretty disappointing.For MX, the interludes were different, but the tunes?
"but now that you have films from the cream of Indian cinema lined up - BM, Kamal and Fazil,"
you must be kidding ) we all know very well that all these 3 guys(veterans) are IR loyalists and despite the commercial fate of their movies/music albums they will keep going back to IR. That doesn'nt say much about the quality of IR's musical output. Cream of indian movies? Not any more. BM has been washed up. Fazil's last movie was average and he has'nt done a tamil film in 6 years!. Kamal doesnt go to IR for non-Rajkamal films. What next?
I'll wait for TIS, listen to it, see how different it is (or not) from TFM albums and then comment further.
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The above discussion is political, opinionated and pointless . IR had a very special relationship with the mass not long ago. There are some who continue to nurture this relationship - music is the language of expression for this relationship. ONOK is a serving for those few who still yearn for his music. If it doesn't appeal to you then it was not meant for you. You have two options, wait for your turn or look elsewhere . Kajiraho Kanavil will do for now.
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Good one Kavin.
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Kavin, great point.
Vijayr, you have proven everything I wanted to say. You talk about the lack of orchestration. Precisely what I am saying. Today's chartbusters require no orchestration - Manmadharasa, Appadi podu and even Kaaka Kaaka are a case in point. Where is the orchestration? You give me a YamahaS90 synthesizer, and I will give you the orchestration.
As far as accepting Karagatakari is concerned, why should he not? Is there something written on the foreheads of those coming to him, saying they are not going to deliver quality?
As far as Fazil, KH and BM are concerned, they may be veterans, they may be IR loyalists. So what? Is that a negative? Fazil may not have made Tamil film for a long time. But is'nt that how he always works? Does'nt he always take a long break between his tamil films? So what if Kamal does not goto IR for non Rajkamal movies? What are you trying to prove? Is'nt it a positive if KH keeps going to IR for his home production always? On what basis are you saying that BM is washed up? Bcos his last 2 films did not do well? For that matter even MR's last 2 did not do too well? You talk about these 3 being IR loyalists? But you forget that they are IR loyalists, bcos like so many of us here, they believe in the quality of IR's musical output, each time, every time. Not judged by the no of cassettes sold, but by a unique character for each movie that IR creates, through his music, as only he can.
A case in point. Did you hear the Ramana songs? IR himself agreed that he did not understand the story properly. But then did you hear the bgm? I rest my case!
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Kavin, I am just expressing my opinions on these albums. I am not saying that someone else shouldnt like Karagatakari or certain songs because I didn't like them.. On the other hand if ppl here like 12 bums keep questioning me on my opinions of IR's recent songs I'll let them know as to why I think they are'nt fresh
"As far as accepting Karagatakari is concerned, why should he not? Is there something written on the foreheads of those coming to him, saying they are not going to deliver quality? '
12bums, oh he can very well accept. But if the quality is bad(and you seem to agree with me here) IMO, I'll say so.
" BM is washed up? Bcos his last 2 films did not do well?"
BM hasnt been around since the mid-90s. MR is still pretty much a force to reckon with.
"But you forget that they are IR loyalists, bcos like so many of us here, they believe in the quality of IR's musical output, each time, every time"
They might believe, but that doesnt mean every album of theirs turns out to be as good as Varusham 16 or Moondram pirai, either in terms of cassette sales or technical excellence. Friends was average stuff. Julie Ganapathy and AOKK are'nt any better. Even some of the fans here in this thread have mixed opinions on these albums.
" Today's chartbusters require no orchestration - Manmadharasa, Appadi podu and even Kaaka Kaaka are a case in point. Where is the orchestration? You give me a YamahaS90 synthesizer, and I will give you the orchestration. "
by your own logic today's chartbusters dont need a great melody either, as proven by your examples. So why does IR give a melody like "kaatril varum geetham" and why do you go gaga over it? Think before you comment. IR has never been one to follow trend. His "Kaattu vazhi" song with natural instruments is an example. Virumandi is an example. But he doesnt do it consistently. As an aside, even synth can be used imaginatively.
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I feel that people have started viewing film music in an album like mentality, without thinking how it would be if seen with a film. I have heard loads of expert opinions when "Avatharam" was released as to why Raaja has sung most of the songs. When the movie was released, everyone felt that Raaja's voice suited the character much better. Again I am hearing everybody "rubbishing" Harris Jayaraj's Anniyan. For all you know , if seen along with the movie, these songs might be apt.
similarly for a given story and set of situations, ONOK and AOKK songs might be the right choices. I have not heard these songs, but from my experience when Kadhalukku Mariyaadhai was released, I hated "Aanandha Kuyilin Paattu". However when I saw it with the movie I liked it.
Coming to the over use of synth, I am ok with it as long as it does not give you the jarring feeling in the head. Raaja goes for a soft glide touch for synth sounds unlike the crisp hi bass 'cicks' (whale and dolphin terms) that everyone else in the industry is using. Maybe he likes it that way. I have no problems with that. I liked the opening synth of "Unnai thaedi" from Konji Pesalam. Even in the much acclaimed "Elangaathu Veesudhe" from Pithamagan, synth is there. Again it didn't impress me to start with, however the melody of the tune and the voices used stood solidly and left an indelible mark in the melody map of recent times.
In my opinion any music review of a film song album will be complete and just only when viewed with the movie. Let us give Raaja that benefit of doubt and not act as Nakkeerars (Killjoys in this context).
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Kajuraho song is awesome..others are ok type..kadhaluku mariyathey was far superior..
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cine music is just for entertainment purposes. anybody is free to express his views here. afterall IR is just a musician - not a Prophet )) instead of asking somebody to look for somewhere, it is better for the same people to refrain from replying to posts that they dont like.
there certainly cannot be arguments - as one's taste is fixed and one cannot like ONOK, Karagattakari, etc etc just because of IR's variety, IR's senility, IR's disinterest in music, IR's synth, u guys like it, etc etc.
I hear only IR's music just because it suits my taste. I was listening to Kaatrinile varum geetham songs yesterday (SPM movie) for hrs - Nobody but IR could have created such magic. So we are just deploring the fact that we are not even seeing a fraction of that IR in today's movies..... and some attribute it to IR's senility factor.... which may be totally correct.
So the point is nobody hates IR; everybody likes him as a musician. but liking his various albums depends on personal taste and expectations.
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Discount of 10% for Casettes and DVDs of Thiruvasagam in Symphony until the 29th of June
http://www.chennaionline.com/music/devotional/2005/06thiruvasagam.asp
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In my opinion - Fazil, BM, Kamal prefers IR not just for music but more importantly for his ultimate BGM / Re-recording... which definitely elevates the quality of each frames of the film.
Even movies like Veerumandi, Ramana, Kasi, Bharti or Ivan had a great re-recording. I am sure both ONOK and AOK, BGM tracks will be g8.
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Vijayr, it is unfortunate that you think I am questioning your opinions. It is just that I felt strongly about some of the things you said, especially since I felt you were totally writing him off. Personally I still eagerly await an IR album, and forme, an IR album has more repeat value than that of any other MD. We can continue our argument, but I am sure it will serve no purpose. You will stick to your stand and I will stick to mine. I apologise for any misunderstanding.
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vijayr -> Your point is very well taken.. But I often keep wondering what goes thro' the minds of geniuses.., what makes an IR stop orchestration.., what makes Sachin restrain his cover drive.. We all know they can do it. And they are smart enough to understand what they're doing. If they still do something other than what they "usually do", is the onus on us to put ourselves into their shoes & try to understand their actions? We may not like what they do, but may be there is a point somewhere which we miss. May be it'll be an interesting exercise!!
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"Kaatril Varum Geethame" reminds me of "Jyoti Kalasha Chhalake" [Lata mangeshkar's bhajan from "Bhabhi ki Chudiyaan"]
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Teja, any kalyani-based song can be linked to hundreds of previous songs composed in that scale both in TFM and HFM. Kaatril varum geethame is no exception, it has shades of previous songs, but still a good number overall.
" For all you know , if seen along with the movie, these songs might be apt. "
jaiganes, when seen along with the movie, even "naan autokaaran autokaaran" sounds apt as a Rajni intro song. Now does that make it a very imaginative composition in your book?
Earlier Raja songs used to have the power to stand on their own and in additon, sound good when seen on screen too. But these days the popular argument I get from some hardcore fans is that I need to see the movie in order to enjoy the songs. I dont buy this completely. It is partly true for situational songs like that composed in Hey Ram, Virumandi etc. But I like Guru, Kochu Kochu santhoshangal etc like anything and I havent seen these films. Same with several other 80s albums. And Oru naaL oru kanavu sounds like another commercial movie like Friends. I dont think the songs are going to sound any better on screen. They are your usual duets and solos composed for usual situations.
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vijayr!
One small point, Autokaran autokaran is SindhuBhairavi with SPB pitching in his best.
It is definitely 100 times better when seen with the movie than when heard alone. But to say that it is totally rubbish is not correct in my opinion. It had a lot of "Deva's uniqueness" and it is a mass song. I am not going to put in the leagues of "Naanaga naanillai thaaye", but it still deserves its own place along with the likes of "Vandhendaa paalkaaran" and "Raajavukku Raja naandaa", other Rajini mass songs. I would rate it 100000 times better than "Machaan paeru madhure".
Coming back to Raaja's songs these days, IMO, he has definitely curbed down on the interlude portions and that could be due to the lenght of the movies and how they would look in the movie.
Even in Mumbai Express, "Poo Poothadhu" song was curtailed and some interlude music bits and Shreya Gosal pieces very cut off in the movie. It was a disappointment for me and must have been for Raaja himself. Remember the village song in Pithamagan which did not feature in the film? I guess his short interludes these days are because of the current trend in Thamizh film world to keep songs shorter for keeping the pace.
Senility of Raaja is a strong word vem. He is just 60 + and for musicians it is not an old age. Again his style of composition is not painfully creating music, but rearranging effortlessly patterns that "appear" to him. How these patterns form in his mind seems to be driven by
1. How the creator of the movie narrates the story and song situations,
2. How the film maker has shot a certain scene &
3. Any challenge that stimulates, like a Hey Ram and samba kinda situation.
Yesterday I watched IPC215 , an NFDC venture directed by chaaru haasan on Raj TV. The movie was such a low budget one and IR had created some good and apt BGMs. The movie had its own drawbacks and plusses. However lot of moments were aptly supported by his BGM. I didn't find any symptom of his senility spoiling the music of the movie. Being an NFDC venture, he wouldn't have had the monetary incentive to do a great work, however being a professional he did a great job IMO.
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Vijay
You missed my point, or did you bypass it? I have been trying to say that you must view ONOK or indeed any of IR's new albums in the context of contemporary offerings. Not against his late 70's or early 80's creations. Anniyan, Chandramukhi, Sachein, Arindhum Ariyamalum, Kana Kandein - the latest chart-toppers. Where would you place ONOK?
I'm not sure if you live in India/TN, and have had the misfortune of tuning in to the songs on FM. If you did, and you still compain about the last few IR albums, I have nothing more to say.
Ok, let's put it this way. Has there been a better female chorus than "Kili thattu" (AOKK), a better male solo than "Kattu vazhi"(AOKK), or a better light classical than "Katril Varum" (ONOK) in the last many months? In Malayalam, have there been better back-to-back duets than "Shwaasathin thaalam" and "Oru chiri kandaal" or a better female solo than Chitra's "Enthu paranjalum"? I can't think of any in a LONG distance.
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suresh,
Whatever you said is true and i have the same view over IR's Present day compositions. All these cribbing about IR not being good currently generates from comparing 80's IR Vs 2000's IR. I had already said this a few months back that 'IR need not be compared against him and comparing him with the present lot of MD's he is way ahead of them in creating magic' Unfortunately Vijayr seems to miss the point as always
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suresh - I guess u shuld listen to Kandu Kandu from mambalakalam - if u think mallu songs are not good nowdays..Or listen to some of deepak dev songs from symphony, chronic bachelor..Or maybe u culd listen to Or noor ashakal song from Ennitum by Jassie Gift - u will see there are quite a few talented composers in the mallu industry too!
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Btw - check out ARR praising IR,MSV and RM from www.dinamani.com
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Arjuna,
Translation please..Fonts problem
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http://www.dinamani.com/Cinema/CineItems.asp?ID=DNC20050612150426&Title=Cinema+%2D+News&lTitle=%F9Nn%A7Ls
ARR says "MSV, Ramamurthy, IR and TSM are all universities. There is not a single achievement that is not been done by them. When SJ Surya wanted me to remix the 'thotal poo malarum' from the song padakoti, I accepted it reluctantly since I was scared. I also gave a new tune for it. I was scared thinking what MSV wuld say after listening to the song. But in one function, MSV hugged me and said the tune was amazing."
ARR then gave golden rings to MSV and Ramamurthy.
I guess this wuld stop everyone shouting at ARR
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oops sorry it was IR who gave the rings..ARR wuld have given something too
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IR didn't give anything to ARR ? LOL
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Hi Guys,
I attended this function yesterday.
It was a facilitation to V-R and hence IR gifted golden rings to the duo.
IR was little emotional in his speech and said "what ever I have achieved is only by picchai from V-R. He also repeated and included ARR (who has been internationaly acclaimed ) that what we achieved is only by Picchai & Echil of music given by the DUO.
At the fag end of the function ARR was given the mike and he confirmed IR's Statement that V-R are dictionaries and IR drew a line from them, out of which he could draw a small line .
Any how it was indeed a very great gathering of Musical starwars Viz., V-R, TMS., PBS., P.Susheela, SPB,IR, Dakshinamurthy swami, DR.Bala Murali Shyam, etc.
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jagannn
I envy you. I am stuck in USA. I am begging my wife to allow me to go to TIS release as well, but you know how it works once you get married. At times I feel like coming back to Chennai, atleast for attending these. Hmm...
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"Ok, let's put it this way. Has there been a better female chorus than "Kili thattu" (AOKK), a better male solo than "Kattu vazhi"(AOKK), or a better light classical than "Katril Varum" (ONOK) in the last many months? In Malayalam, have there been better back-to-back duets than "Shwaasathin thaalam" and "Oru chiri kandaal" or a better female solo than Chitra's "Enthu paranjalum"? I can't think of any in a LONG distance."
Suresh, the last few months have been marked by Rahman's absence and the other MDs arent in the same class as him. I wouldnt compare IR's recent songs with that of YSR or Dhina and feel better about it. For one, I know what he is capable of and judge his songs against his own standards that he set. If the competition is inferior, then it is easy to create a song or two that is better than your rival, especially in this era where melodies are'nt the order of the day. That by itself, doesnt make the song great.
Secondly, IR's songs like Kaatu vazhi belong to a different era/genre and cannot be compared easily with current chart-toppers like say songs of arindhum ariyaamalum that have been composed with the youngsters in mind and belong to a different genre(pop/hiphop etc.) and have been composed with a different set of requirements. Thats why I compare IR's songs to his own recent best from MFM where his quality has been higher. But still,in 2003/04 I can list a lot of solos/duets that were as good if not better than IR's best numbers, even from MDs other than ARR.
Also,even taking into account the songs you mentioned we get just about 1 good(but not great) song/album on an average from IR these days, like a teaser. But eventually as an album, they disappoint(and dont come anywhere close to say a Kochu kochu santhoshangaL or yaathramozhi, leave alone Guru) . Kaatril varum geethame is a good light classical but didnt blow me away.Same with Kaatu vazhi. Before I could start fully appreciating the song, it ended. It had some promising interludes which were'nt fully developed. To answer your question, ONOK might have that 1 song that is good and has glimpses of brilliance, but as an album overall, I wouldnt place it higher than Anniyan. Not enough variety in ONOK. Almost 3 or 4 songs sung by Sonu/HH all have the same intruments(predominantly synth), seem to belong to the same style/genre, giving a feeling of repetition while listening. And that ponnu pudichirukku song is forgattble, we have heard too many songs in TFM in that genre with the same dappanguthu rhythm thanks to the likes of VS/Dhina etc.
Interestingly the 3 songs that you have listed as examples, kaatuvazhi/poo pothadhu/kaatril varum geethame/kiLithattu all have more usage of natural instruments and less synth. So it seems like although we disagree, our expectations of IR are more or less the same.
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vj I agree with u - but how abt Khajuraho song..its really good..I also think the kaatril varum geetham sung by IR is far ahead then sung by all the others (pavatharani and co)..just eagerly waiting for our thalai the great ARR to be back...
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http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/cassete-review/orunaal.html review for ONOK
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Jagann, Shyam means old Mal MD Shyam? (a Sporadic Genius, but a genius indeed.)
Why doesn't G.varajan show up for these functions, He lives in Madras only>
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--Digression---
Arjuna
"Kandu kandu" is such a mundane number, and Deepak Dev and Jassie in my opinion are just as good as Dhina and Srikanth Deva. Ok, marginally better. I had high expectations from M Jayachandran, given his consummate performance in Kairali's "Raagotsavam", but he seems to be struggling to strike a balance between the demands of classisicm and commerce. I consider only "Mizhirandilum" and "Vadakkumnathan" as good quality in the recent past, and that too perhaps influenced in part by my fondness for the late Raveendran. To answer your specific query, I do listen to a lot of MFM, Malayalam being my mother tongue. To say the quality of films and music there has plummeted is an understatement IMO.
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Vijay
You're right on that one - our expectations from IR are indeed the same. But, where I have reconciled to a certain 'minimum guarantee' output, you seem to have not. That explains why I like 4 songs in ONOK and 3 in AOKK, and indeed why I think that "Kaatril varum" is a great one C'mon mate, if Bhavatharini can sound this sweet, you must credit the father for some magic?
Comparing his output in MFM to TFM would not be fair or relevant given the variance in contexts and the marked difference in aesthetic sensibilities between the two.
Rahman's absence - absolutely a significant factor. If you take him out of the picture, an IR performing at 25% creativity and intensity is more than a match for the rest. Yet, even at his 'below par' level, 2005 has been a good year for an avid IR listener like me.
On a diff. note - I know you think YSR wouldn't know melody even if it were to slap him on his face, but when you've the time, listen to "Saami kitta" (Dass) and let me know what you think.
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... ONOK might have that 1 song that is good and has glimpses of brilliance, but as an album overall, I wouldnt place it higher than Anniyan. Not enough variety in ONOK. Almost 3 or 4 songs sung by Sonu/HH all have the same intruments(predominantly synth), seem to belong to the same style/genre, giving a feeling of repetition |
That was preposterous
If 'Anniyan is better than ONOK' is what your musical taste tells then... GOD help you.
Regarding Variety. Is it the requisite of a Film director or Music director to decide upon that?? If shankar needs a dappankuthu, two classical based nos. and two poppish nos. there is HJ to provide it. And If Fazil needs the mood of the to be carried over in the same manner IR gives songs belonging to same style/genre. and if BM decides to have one scintillating no. one pathos one dappanguthu and two melodies IR delivers it in AOKK. You cant blame it on a MD that a movie doesnt have a variety of songs. Its with the Director to decide what he needs.
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"But, where I have reconciled to a certain 'minimum guarantee' output, you seem to have not."
Maybe, I am just being greedy Its just that I feel that when a guy still has creative juices to attempt something like TIS at 60+ years of age he can probably do a little bit better in TFM. He can probably throw a sprinkling of some of the natural instruments he has used in TIS, in TFM songs.
And since he is doing 5 films/year like Rahman these days, expectations are a tad higher.
If his synth-based songs arent finding a market commercially, chances are that his songs laden with natural instruments would'nt do all that worse. Atleast the regular IR fan will be pleased and buy the cassette.
Sometimes I doubt whether that whole orchestra that IR had with him in the 80s has been disbanded and everyone has gone their way The trend-conscious industry doesnt allow an artiste to be himself. Its a shame.
Really looking forward to TIS - collector's edition. Hope its success revives the era of orchestration in TFM.
(Havent listened to Daas- "ninaithu ninaithu paarthen" from 7GRC seemed to be the song of choice on TV sometime back for YSR's melodies)
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rajasaranam, not just variety, even in terms of interludes they were'nt all that creative/appealing and a few others too have mentioned only 1 or 2 songs as good from the entire ONOK album and have complained about the plastic interludes in general. IR's interludes earlier used to be hummable and were mini-songs by themselves. These days the interludes dont stay in mind and have to be listened to several times(like Rahman songs) Compare this with say, Varusham 16. No formula situations there like in Anniyan, yet the songs have variety and sparkle with creativity.
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I think IR should compose songs like bharathi..they were amazing songs - all times best of IR..and stop composing songs like ME,VM etc..I think if IR composes the same way as he did in the 80's - then that wuld be perfect..
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//Its just that I feel that when a guy still has creative juices to attempt something like TIS at 60+ years of age he can probably do a little bit better in TFM.//
sorry dude...this just isnt going to happen...there just isnt anything in TFM (or any other FMs) to inspire IR to deliver something of the standard that you seem to be expecting...
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I agree with Suresh about the expectations from IR's albums during the current period. Vijay, i used to be a lot like you are now waiting for an IR album with a zillion expectations about the tunes and interludes and general innovation. But i realized that this is not going to happen as he is no longer working with all the same top directors for whom he had produced those classics. My expectations have been toned down. I just try to enjoy songs as they are without my mind wandering into analysis. But i still have an ear for any new stuff he attempts.His classics may be sporadic now but we are fortunate that we get atleast one in a year or two which still shows the genius in him is still alive. I am a little excited with his recent work after his outstanding Virumandi last year , followed by MX( innovative interludes) and now a pretty decent ONOK(very hummable though not pathbreaking). Given the kind of directors he works with nowadays i am happy we get to hear atleast decent hummable stuff from him now and then. Eager to hear TIO and the next collaboration with Kamal(only he is left to inspire him now).
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thops, not expecting something of TIS standards in TFM obviously. I am asking for "just a sprinkling" - likeGuru or Kochu Kochu santhoshangaL. I think he is capable, he is also doing less films these days - but practically I realize it might be a tall order considering the average quality of films he is working on. Unless MR/Shankar do films with IR and Kamal does couple of films with him every year it might be a distant dream. Bala, Cheran although good directors arent exactly known for their music sense. Whatever IR gives them is probably out of his own initiative.
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I think 'kaattuvazhi' will be IR's representative song for this decade ... Excellent job by IR as MD / Singer and Lyricst also !
vatRaatha jeevanathi vaazhkkaiyadaa,
nambikkaithaan iru pakkamum karaigaLadaa !
NagaS
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Nagas, "nambikkaithaan iru pakkamum karaigaLadaa ! " - andha namkikkai thaan konjam sandhehama irukku, esp after reading IR's interview in Vikadan where he says he felt there was no diff between composing for a TFM or TIS. But as always, he is full of contradiction when he says he has attained his life's worth by composing for TIS. Onnume puriyallai IR ai pathi.
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thumburu, I see it like this.
What he means in Vikatan interview is that musically speaking, composing for TFM and TIS are the same for him. Its all sapthaswarangal only for him.
As far as TIS is concerned, he is glad that God had given him an opportunity to understand and tune the lyrics of Thiruvasakam and he doesnt need anything more in life, after he attained this place.
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vijayr wrote: |
Unless MR/Shankar do films with IR and Kamal does couple of films with him every year it might be a distant dream. Bala, Cheran although good directors arent exactly known for their music sense. Whatever IR gives them is probably out of his own initiative.
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Thats what I was thinking in the last few days. Why dont MR/Shankar go for IR, specially Shankar. There is nothing wrong with ARR. ARR has given nothing but best for shankar, but atleast to show some differences between films Shankar has to work with IR. Ofcourse what he would get is a world class, undisputed BGM. I am just recalling Ramana's (a typical Shankar style movie) BGM here.
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Anniyan has variety.It surprises me.
Three songs have similar beats and feel.only two other songs(ayyangaar and andankaakka) differ from them.
When i played the songs in my car,i felt like listeneing to the same song three times.
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njv wrote: |
vijayr wrote: |
Unless MR/Shankar do films with IR and Kamal does couple of films with him every year it might be a distant dream. Bala, Cheran although good directors arent exactly known for their music sense. Whatever IR gives them is probably out of his own initiative.
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Thats what I was thinking in the last few days. Why dont MR/Shankar go for IR, specially Shankar. There is nothing wrong with ARR. ARR has given nothing but best for shankar, but atleast to show some differences between films Shankar has to work with IR. Ofcourse what he would get is a world class, undisputed BGM. I am just recalling Ramana's (a typical Shankar style movie) BGM here. |
njv! I am sure Shankar wont go with HJ again. ARR um doubt thaan. Then nichayama adutha padathula shankar will team up with IR. neenga Produce pannineengana... May be Shankar will take IR to moon for composing....
PS: Anniyan Movie/songs will sure be a BO hit (namma tamil makkala patthi theriyadha enna).
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thumburu, IR often lets out comments like that. But a quick look at the fact that he took 12 days to compose and several days(or weeks) to polish the final product tells me that it isnt your usual TFM stuff but something special. Lets wait.
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/cn/cn_home.asp?newsres=2&issuedate=6/14/2005&secid=1#pRTW%20J%20ATN֖%20TPeLL%20LYop%20EP%20SV%20SV%20SP]
some song sequence from a new IR movie...
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kaattuvazhi is written for a small boy / youth ... notice varigal Like "intha ILavayasil myuzichchikittaa pozachchukkalaam" etc.,
IR is now too old to follow all those ... LOL
Seriously, I think IR is more mature than how he sounds in these interviews, you gotta read his aanmeega katturaigaL (not kavithaigaL )
NagaS
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NagaS - IR gives mature answers to mature questions asked by mature people in interviews - silly questions asked by an silly interviewer, is aptly replied with equally bizarre answers!
try this - if and when you meet IR, speak your heart out about the subtly nuances in his BGM (which probably he would have forgot himself) for a particular sequence in a film and see his reaction - then, you will see IR's genuine self
most of these journalists do not know how to interview IR - even the much hyped Karan Thapar interviewed SPB once for STAR - his questions on music were pathetic and hence SPB's answers were equally pathetic! the musical moron KT asked SPB some very intriguing questions like 'how do you sing so melodiously ?' etc
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tmrrmt wrote: |
NagaS - IR gives mature answers to mature questions asked by mature people in interviews - silly questions asked by an silly interviewer, is aptly replied with equally bizarre answers! |
Exactly - thats what I tried to mention in my earlier post - his interviews are never done with depth, Esp., with vikatan, all they need is 4 pages of photos, thats it content is not relavent anymore !
If you get a chance, read Ra. Ki. Rangarajan's article abt meeting IR, Its in his latest book "Naalu moolai", a very simple and touching article it is !
Nagas
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Nagas was right.
I got a chance to read writer Balakumaran's article on his meetings with IR..
At the end of the article, he says "IR oru Garvi endru innum en Kaadhu pada pesugiraargal..Bodhi marathin adiyil utkaarndhavargal ellaam Buddhan aagi viduvadhillai. " ( "I still hear people saying that Ilayaraja is a proud (arrogant ) person. All those who sat under the bodhi tree cannot become a buddha..)
He means, all those who met IR cannot understand his greatness..
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Anybody read this week's Ananda vikatan..?
Sujatha tells that Manirathnam had plans of directing Kalki's Ponniyin Selvan and later dropped it. Sujatha wonders that if big bollywood and kolywood stars come together and Raja and Rahman accept to do the music, then it can be made in 40 crores..
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Shantanu Moitra (MD of Parineeta) has given an interview in Music India Online, where he has listed IR along with SD Burman, Salil Chowdhry as the msuic directors whose songs he listened while growing up...
Also, the beginning piano number in the "piyu Bole" reminds of 'En Vaanile.." from Johnny. Does any one see the similarity
Bala
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Shantanu Moitra (MD of Parineeta) has given an interview in Music India Online, where he has listed IR along with SD Burman, Salil Chowdhry as the msuic directors whose songs he listened while growing up...
Also, the beginning piano number in the "piyu Bole" reminds of 'En Vaanile.." from Johnny. Does any one see the similarity
Bala
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I feel similarities between Chandramugi song and Jhony song.
'Raa Raa' and 'Katril enthan geetham' are the two songs.
Anybody feel the same?
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balaji wrote: |
Shantanu Moitra (MD of Parineeta) has given an interview in Music India Online, where he has listed IR along with SD Burman, Salil Chowdhry as the msuic directors whose songs he listened while growing up...
Also, the beginning piano number in the "piyu Bole" reminds of 'En Vaanile.." from Johnny. Does any one see the similarity
Bala |
Balaji I mentioned this in another forum (dominated by NI) and they were totally upset/angry with me. Not just piyu bole, but interludes in almost all the songs reminds me of some IR song and thats why this CD is in my car-bag-cdplayer-toilet-bathroom - you name it, its there. I love parineeta.
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Having the greatest treats after a long time.
Kajuraho, Kaatril Varum Geethame, Enna Paatu Vendum - ONOK
Kaatu Vazhi, Killi Thattu Killi, Andha Naal - AOKK
the songs are having me hooked up for the passed two weeks.
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Here again a mention of IR
Yes his music sure sounds Rajaish but polished for Northies.
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/jun/09shan.htm
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Guys a beautiful, heartfelt review of AOK in Behindwoods.
http://www.behindwoods.com/literature_society/adhuorukanakalam.html
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Is Cheran really doing a film "Pokkisham" with IR currently..?
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Did anybody get a chance to buy IR Italy compositions.On Agi's website the release was slated on June 15 in US/India.Is it available in musicworld now?
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Dear Seshadri,
Pls refer to Agilan's mail in Dr Vijay's yahoo groups, reg availability of this CD in India.
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I contacted Lakshman Sruti shop yesterday regarding the CD. They said they are not aware and no such CD has been released . Puzzled!!
By the way is it in the form of ACD OR VCD?
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This week's vikatan, Sujatha writes in detail about IR's TIS and about Raja's future plans ...
http://www.vikatan.com/av/2005/jun/26062005/av0803.asp
He has given IR's mail id also .... ijaja2005@yahoo.co.in
(I guess some typo here ... may be it is iraja2005 ... not sure !)
NagaS
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NagaS - can you give a translation of the article here ? I am not able to access the site and its contents - thanks
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Same here. Can someone translate the technical points Sujatha is supposed to have made in that article?
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Is there any sales figures (reliable) for the audio of the Fazil movie? Which company released it?
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Hit Musicals is the company have the audio rights for ONOK
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"ponnukuintha mappilaiya" from ONOK sounds very bailaish to me...anybody hear the same ???
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Ilaiyaraaja's Italy Concert - for folks in US/Canada - with free shipping
http://www.squidco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=4900&Category_Code=ReR
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testing
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/musicreview/7485.html
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Here is my review
http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Oru_Naal_Oru_Kanavu_Album-76693-1.html
Smile
Suresh
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Ilaiyaraja doesn't classifies music http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/top_stories/1370/
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I give 8/10 marks to ONOK and 6.5/10 to AOKK songs
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Ilayaraja's live program in Italy with mp3 samples:
http://www.agimusic.com/Ilayaraja's%20music%20journey.htm
Check out Kapi orchestration and 3-in-1 besides others
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Sunu Oh! seems to be a slightly mellow, softer version of ghanashyaama from KochuKochusanthoshangaL.
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IR doesnt classify music
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/top_stories/1370/
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vijayr, thanks for the link...`elangAthu veesudhE' is a new find for me...what a sweet song...(heard the regular version by immediately getting a coolgoose version - both singers - esp. the female- sing without jeevan, however, the overall sweetness cannot be taken off by their dull singing)...need to look for the regular CD during next visit to `Indian store'...
idhu mAdhiri ethanai Raja treasures innum irukkO...
About the agi samples, though the choices are excellent by IR for the concert, I'm somehow not able to enjoy most of them (probably because of the strong presence of the originals in mind, the revised interludes / percussion arrangements don't jell with me)...
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elangAthu veesudhE...I'm hooked to this...
`karum pAra manasule'nnu female voice pallavi'la varumbOthu, the percussion arrangement mArudhu pArunga...enna oru inimai...such small little things are the ones that typically make a Raja song memorable and close to heart...ada , ada evvaLavu nALachchu ippadi oru brilliant song kaNdittu...
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elangAthu veesudhE...has transported me back to TN...oorla vayal pakkam ukkAndhu transistor radio'la indhappAtta kEtta eppadi irukkum'nu Enga vachchiruchchu...Oh I miss namma ooru...
This is the problem(!) with Raja songs... they have so much nativity that makes you yearn to return to your roots...nostalgia ellAm vandhu mood-out paNNidum...ada pOngappa, innikku nimmadhi pOchu...I'm getting homesick...
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app_engine, are you talking about the Pithamagan song? It is a very lovely number, but I am amazed you are listening to it only now. There was this guy who played this song on his violin during one of the Sapthaswarangal episodes. He did a haunting rendition of the same. A very very superb song by IR.
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app_engine, ilangaatru veesudhe was sort of a hit, so a little surprised you missed it. IR probably wanted to choose one of his recent bests and he chose this song.
Also, I agree that the live version done with limited instruments doesnt quite have the depth of the original versions. I still went ahead and ordered the CD for the 3-in-1 and kapi orchestration.
Chinmayi, who sang some of these songs in the live program had written about it in her blog sometime back in case you are interested
http://chinmayisripada.blogspot.com/2005_05_01_chinmayisripada_archive.html
scroll down and check out may 17th blog
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Music4ever, incidentally the guy who sang ilangaatru veesudhe, Sriram, was a judge in the raagamaalika programme on Jaya tv once.He sang this song with a mini-alaap and a lot of carnatic touches with sangathis etc. It sounded totally different.
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Here is my review on "Illayaraja Music Journey"
http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Illayaraja's_Musical_Journey-76841-1.html
Smile
Sureshkumar
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NagaS,
MakkaLin nanmai karudhi sujatha-vin seidhiyai aangilaththil mozhi peyarkka koodaadhaa. Umakku emadhu siram thaazhndha
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This is a well deserved launch. It is good to see BIG THREE coming to gether. Great work Maestro! See the following link for Pics
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/events/7635.html
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=192109&disdate=6/24/2005
PS interview...Praises IR...'imayam pOla uyarndhu vittAr'...
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Dear DFers,
You can download the TbI poster and banners from the following URL. Please use them to spread the word about TbI from your side:
http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/isaiosai
Mikka nandri for all your help and support.
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Interesting to see all the TFM MD's ( Except Deva ) together..
Kamal , Parthiban , Balu Mahendra are the obviously missing from the IR Camp..
Thanks for the link
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Was searching for some IR song,while I stumbled upon this page.
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/listen/illayaraja_songs.html
IR Telugu songs (in MP3)
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Gr8 to see enga thalai with IR........but anyone has any idea abt transcripts of wat exactly ARR had to say abt IR???? and is this programme going to be broadcast on TV????
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Really pleasing to see TKRamamoorthy invited for this event.........ppl. always forget this gr8 man..........
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Two days back, IR had come to Madurai to visit Manikavasagar place and Meenakshi Temple, Thiruparankunram Temple.
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[quote="MADDY"]Gr8 to see enga thalai with IR........but anyone has any idea abt transcripts of wat exactly ARR had to say abt IR???? and is this programme going to be broadcast on TV????[/quote]
FYI
http://soonapaana.blogspot.com/2005/06/20-minutes-of-electric-shock.html
I hope that they will telecast these events eventually. It is a very nice gesture of ARR to come and also appreciate IR. Hats of to ARR for doing this.
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Found this link praising about "Kaatril Varum Geethame" song in ONOK:
http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News1/23-6-05/tamil-movies-news-raja.html
Also, FYI, SS music will be telecasting programme(s) about TIS by Ilaiyaraaja. Yesterday evening they showed a glimpse of the program, but missed to note down the timings. I guess its going to be soon. So, check out.
Krishnan
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Rajinikanth and Kamalhassan in Thiruvasagam launch
http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NewsID={4D914B18-D8AB-4FC5-B249-CFA9A7DFD724}&CategoryName=CHN
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In vikatan interview last week Rajni mentioned that he wont be able to attend the release function due to his planned visit to US. I guess he called off his trip. Good to see Rajni and Kamal both attending, since they have always attended all IR's music and book releases.
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Antha Naal Gyabagam
What a stunning melody.
When it starts to play, I starts to fly. The super feeling continues through the song until it closes.
Wov what a treat from IR.
The same feeling while listening Konjam Thira from ONOK
Can anybody like the Konjam Thira song like me? I have listened about 100 times this song and I am still listening.
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Appada oru valiya oru badi eriyachu.
junior hubber -la irunthu Regular Hubber -aa Ayachu
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Fantastic article
http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/cinema-news/raja.html
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There are some glaring inaccuracies in the article (like 2 nat awards...while the fact is 3 viz. sAhara sangamam, sindhubhairavi and rudraveeNa)...when are these people going to pay attention to details and prevent such glaring inaccuracies?
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hmm...interested to know what vimarsagar suppudu has felt about it. Has he got the chance to listen to it? I remember suppudu was one of a privileged few to listen to the IR's RPO Symphony. I guess suppudu would also have got listened to the TiS.
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Dear guys.I'm Siva from Malaysia,who had a the previlage to attend the TIS launching in Chennai.Well I could elaborate the full details of the funtion if you request(as I'm sure so many pres would have reviewed it)
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Sivakumaran....pls go ahead with ur details of the function.......also pls throw some light on ARR's speech.........
neways, any links or any website where i can listen to TIS?????it was supposed to be released on jun30th rite????
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maddy did you just come back from mars ) ??
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MADDY, on SS music, I got a glimpse of what ARR said. He said
- that its a great effort taken by Tamil maiyum
- that IR is a national treasure.
- that Indian & TN government is spending money on so many things, why not they grant money for these kind of projects.
- IR should take up more such projects.
You can listen to the samples at www.raaja.com website.
thanks
Krishnan
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/cn/cn_home.asp?newsres=2&issuedate=7/5/2005&secid=1#BL֟%20%20WoNW%20RV֡eL%20Y_NV%20Szeh%20zН
IR signed up for `panippuyal'....
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Is * `panippuyal'....a remake of "The Day After Tomorrow" ?
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Article from Cinesouth.com on launch of TiS:
http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/01072005-5.shtml
Ilayaraja who spoke last, enumerated the hardships he faced to make Thiruvasagam in Symphony. He thanked all those who helped make his dream a reality. "I have finished creating Thiruvasagam Symphony. If God wills for another major work to be set to music, it will surely happen," he said. The sore point for the whole function was when he made some unpleasant veiled references to a few people.
Can someone write about those "veiled references"?
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http://www.telugucinema.com/c/movies/vamsyandraja.php
Vamsy&IR are back together for two telugu films.
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it will be awesome if Vamsi directs a thriller like Anveshana.....
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I am still waiting for my TIS CDs//.. any reviews yet from DFers??
thanks
MSK
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check this http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=157994#157994
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Raja use to say about his film music what ever you heard is like appalam and oorugaai I can serve a full course meal, he made it true by composing "Tiruvasagam in symphonic Oratorio" appalam and oorugai are also present in the full meals,yes there are some shades of his old music in this. But the total output makes a person Amazed and puzzeld how these are possible, there are lot of things in this musical to analyze, discuss and appreciated, since I lisent it only once this much is what I can say
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MSK,
Check the Tis thread for links to the reviews.
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check out the elephunk theme song from BlackeyedPeas... Direct lift of a song from IR's Sri Raghavendra.. Should IR sue this band for using his song like bappi lahari?
http://www.danceage.com/media/276-Black-Eyed-Peas-Elephunk.php
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Thiru,
romba pazhaya news
BTW why should IR sue them They have done an excellent job in remixing this song, and this song is there in my HDD for the past 2 years and i listen to this song very often. Infact its way ahead and better than the remixing of 'AASai nooru vagai' done for the movie Kurumbu by YSR!
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Thiru:
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http://www.danceage.com/media/276-Black-Eyed-Peas-Elephunk.php
OMG! This is just wack!
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[quote="rajasaranam"]Thiru,
romba pazhaya news :)
BTW why should IR sue them :? They have done an excellent job in remixing this song, and this song is there in my HDD for the past 2 years and i listen to this song very often. Infact its way ahead and better than the remixing of 'AASai nooru vagai' done for the movie Kurumbu by YSR![/quote]
They released this in their initial CD release, but later removed it. If anyone have a CD of this, please let me know. I am willing to buy this.
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can one tell me where can i download the mp3 songs of the malayalam film - GURU composed by Maestro?
People talk so much about this music!
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Listen to it in raaga.com. if you like it, but it. Its only 99 Rs in India!
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Ilayaraja's next Telugu film, with dir Teja.
http://www.eenadu.net/ncineshow.asp?qry=kalagura
This article mentions that IR is impressed with the storyline... so much that he came up with a tune for the climax song right away.
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Is that picture (one with french beard) yours, teja? Neenga movie direct paNNappOreengaLA? Best wishes...
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Good one. No, that's not me.
Teja is a popular dir in telugu, known for his teenage love stories.
I think one of his hit film "Jayam" was remade into Tamil with the same name.
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http://pib.nic.in/archieve/others/2005/52_NFA_Awards.pdf
check out page 22 of the document...sno 28..."divorce - not between husband and wife"...this hindi movie has music by ilaiyaraaja...it this going to go into the list of unreleased movies with music by IR ??
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thops wrote: |
http://pib.nic.in/archieve/others/2005/52_NFA_Awards.pdf
check out page 22 of the document...sno 28..."divorce - not between husband and wife"...this hindi movie has music by ilaiyaraaja...it this going to go into the list of unreleased movies with music by IR ?? |
I guess so thops. There is just no news about this movie.
Krishnan
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Is ONOK first fazil - IR movie without KJY and / or KSC?
NagaS
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Chithra is Singing in Malayalam Under IR's music, buy why not in Tamil. This week Junior vikatan chitra says, all the credit goes to Illaiyaraja for her awards.
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buy why not in Tamil = But why not in Tamil
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AVM Saravanan remembers "Mella thiRanthathu Kathavu" days ...
http://www.kalkiweekly.com/thisweekissue/page7.asp
Few interesting things from the article :
* Mella thiRanthathu kathavu was made to help MSV, who was in some financial trouble at that time and it was the idea of Bharathi Raja / IR to do something like this to help MSV
* Originally, IR was supposed to be the MD for MTK and again, it was IR's idea to work with MSV
* MSV did the tunes and IR did orchestrisation for all songs
NagaS
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where can I buy original CDs of Illiyaraja Music Journey ?
The Agi music sight is not set up for purchases.
Please let me know. Thanks.
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http://dvdunlimitedonline.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=2517
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Are the copies on DVDunlimitedonline originals?
The cover looks different from the one shown on the Agi music site.
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mnt, thops posted the link couple of times earlier in another thread. You can order it from here
http://www.squidco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=4900&Category_Code=
14 bucks including shipping. I got it from that site.
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shipping is actually free
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Thanks vijayr
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Are the copies on DVDunlimitedonline originals?
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Yes. Agni Music version is ONLY for Malaysia and they are also selling the CD in India now. For US, UK and other european country, copy right holder is Angelica itself and was marketted by ReR.
FYI Agni Music version of TIS also has a different cover.
FYI dvdunlimitedonline.had the CD few months before Agni had the CD, cuz Agni recently only got the copy right. Watch DVDUnlimitedOnline.com for the next album by Maestro called "Moods Of Illayaraja" again by Angelica. Also they have Wings by Illayaraja (i bought it, didnt like it but interestingly my fellow russian collegue liked it, its all songs from movies that I never heard/know, but good orchestrization).
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njv, I heard that the 2 or 3 good songs in Wings lkike "vaa vaa anbe anbe" etc. had terrific recording quality better than what we heard before. Is it true? did you feel that way? If at all I buy that CD it would be only for the recording quality of those 2 or 3 songs. The song selection is medicore.
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vijar
Yes. The recording quality of all songs are pretty good. Interestingly this is the first song (or second after a prayer song, I dont remember), and the interlude will blow you up (I probably must have listened to Vaa Vaa Anbe Anbe 1000 times and even now this is THE CD that I play in my car and stills Wings CD will make you feel like you are listening to a new song).
I dont know if I can compare "technically" the sound quality. If there is a way, let me know. I will compare and let you know, but otherwise its too good.
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"I sincerely believe that only he can bring in the nativity so essential to my films. " says the controversial Thangar Bachan about IR. (He comes back to IR after flirting with some other MD for thendRal...a disaster...after the blackbuster azhagi and another average movie with Cheran as hero, both of which had IR as MD)
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/07/22/stories/2005072200470200.htm
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http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/news/rahman2.html See what rahman says about raja and his Music
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http://www.eians.com/stories/2005/07/19/19vic.shtml
at least some reports say ONOK & AOKK have good sales:-)
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Do You Know Who Illayaraja Is?
Those were the early days of Illayaraja in the film industry. Music Director of that time, Chakravarthy used to have great impression on Illayaraja. Once, the topic of Illayaraja has come before Chakravarthy in a recording studio. A person commented Illayaraja out of his ignorance in music.
Chakravarthy told him, Do you know who Illayaraja is? While goddess Saraswathis son had been crying, she went inside to get some milk for him. Meanwhile he crawled and came here. He is none other than Illayaraja. He is the son of goddess Saraswathi. We have no stand to comment on him.
Thats all. Everybody in the studio turned silent for a few minutes including the one who commented the Maestro.
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/news/jul2005/illayaraja_who.html
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Guys, where can i get Ilayaraaja's music journey Cd in India. Any update would be great.
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Do You Know Who Illayaraja Is?
Those were the early days of Illayaraja in the film industry. Music Director of that time, Chakravarthy used to have great impression on Illayaraja. Once, the topic of Illayaraja has come before Chakravarthy in a recording studio. A person commented Illayaraja out of his ignorance in music.
Chakravarthy told him, Do you know who Illayaraja is? While goddess Saraswathis son had been crying, she went inside to get some milk for him. Meanwhile he crawled and came here. He is none other than Illayaraja. He is the son of goddess Saraswathi. We have no stand to comment on him.
Thats all. Everybody in the studio turned silent for a few minutes including the one who commented the Maestro.
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/news/jul2005/illayaraja_who.html
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Of all the composers, Chakravarthy should be mentioned!!! This composer' name was as ubiquitous on the radio as Shankar Jaikishan'. Oliyum Oliyum only featured this composer' songs, which showed Telugu industry was suffering for years with the worst numbers as no one else was there beside Sathyam, I thought until I finally found this magical song in coolgoose.com, which I always was Sathyam' finest compositions. (This was one of the most popular songs on Ilankai Oliparappu .. in the late 70s!!!)\\
http://web.music.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=180074
"ramba oorvasi menaka" from vedanai thediya maan (in telugu original i believe) only few days back i found this rare rare song, searching for years!
look at the fantastic and unique opening melody and the amazing interludes(strangely, Salilish interludes)!!! simply the best. Any more great Chakravarthy songs, please share the info.
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Looks like Raja just finished composing for another movie - 'Madhu' *ing Ramesh and Priya Mani:
http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/heroines/priyamani6.html
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Today I watched singer Manjari's interview in Asianet.
She mentioned the songs in the following YET to be released movies of IR .
The list is
1. Chidambarathil oru appasamy by Thankar.
2. Kasthuri maan of meera Jasmine.
3. Pokkisham by Cheran.
4. ONOK by Fazil
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Watch out SS Music at 12.00 P.M on Sunday.
A programme on IR !!!!!
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Watch out SS Music at 12.00 P.M on Sunday.
A programme on IR !!!!! |
I saw the program....Raja was surprisingly camera friendly (I mean generally he seems quite uncomfortable before the camera, but here he was quite cool)...They showed the recording of the oratorio, interview with laszlo kovacs, and a few musicians...I hope these things are present in the TiS DVD. Finally, got a chance to see who the trio who have always been with Raja...Vijay manuel (keyboard), Sada (guitarist ) & Purushottaman (puru - percussionist), and a person named sundararajan & napoleon (arun mozhi)...
Raja mentioned a few things...his regular musicians wanted to contribute in some way for the TiS, so Raja decided to make use of them in some way...napoleon played a small flute portion, some guys did the chorus (tamil chant), and vijay manuel sang the 'track' for the lyrics written by stephen schwartz & based on that voice, they zero'ed in on Ray harcourt.
Vaiko deserves a special mention....He said he had listened to the album some 20 times before he landed for the launch and what a speech it was !!
Raja seemed awestruck by his knowledge, and when his chance came, Raja said, vaiko's speech was more like a religious talk...and wondered why he was still in politics.
Vaiko went through each verse and was explaining why the songs were arranged by raja in that fashion...His knowledge of thiruvAsagam seems good.
He in fact quoted (almost verbatim) the message Stephen schwartz had posted in his website (" Last night I had the chance to listened to finished....in sony studio....")
When Raja came to speak, he spoke rather fluently, and while thanking people like Rajni, vaiko and others, he took a (friendly) dig at kamal - "kamal kadavuLai nambubavar alla...KadavuLum kamalai nambi illai...avar vElayai avar seithukoNdirukkirAr" or something to that effect.
Another interesting thing was, they showed the video of the recording in Budapest...the score could be heard feebly (without the vocals of Raja/indian chorus), from what i could gather in those coupla minutes, if someone can get the music version alone (stripped of Raja's voice and the Indian chant), it would by itself be a great score (of course, you have to ignore the repeated notes played in the BG as they are meant to support the vocals) !!!
Is there a way to do it ??
(Pls don't assume I don't like Raja's voice...I just wished to listen to just the score alone)
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Shankar - I saw the program as well - even I was amused at the dig IR took at Kamal's 'Naathhigam'! but after saying "KadavuLum kamalai nambi illai..." he added thus "KadavuL Ilaiyaraajavai nambiyum illai - avar vElayai avar seithukoNdirukkirAr"
My one sore point with everyone who talk about God in public is this:in their excitement, I see only their own "Ego", even
while talking about God!
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Osho wrote: |
Guys, where can i get Ilayaraaja's music journey Cd in India. Any update would be great. |
If ur living in Chennai, you can get it at Shanti tailors, right next to Kapaleeshwarar temple, Mylapore
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Shankar wrote: |
raja_fan wrote: | Watch out SS Music at 12.00 P.M on Sunday.
A programme on IR !!!!! |
...Vijay manuel (keyboard) |
Its Viji Manuel.....
Had tears running down my cheeks just watching the programme....
I gave away some CD's to some of my friends and relatives and i regret it very much today. Its a case of "Kazhuudhaikku theriyuma karpoora vasanai".
First of all, people listen to it as though its a film album. I mean, tmrrmt was absolutely right about peoples' ego even while talking about god.
One friend who had actually met and had a few words with the Maestro in Mookambike temple last week, remarked "TIS romba nalla irukku nu poi solla vendiyadha pochu".
One cousin remarked, "machaan, enakku avalova pidikkala.... "
Another friend who happens to be a concert carnatic violinist said "idha oru violin veche potrukkalame...en orchestra?" - Talk about the frogs in the well!!!
I felt like telling them, yeah, go and listen to the saavu kuthu songs and Rehman's latest techno-wizadry (NOM), thats what ur fit for.
The reason i'm mentioning these points was seen in the programme yesterday.
Lazlo Kovacks and IR emphasized that this was a very simple orchestral arrangement and this was so because its an oratorio and not a symphony. IR explained that the orchetsra's job was to accompany and enhance the mood expressed by the voice singing the lyrics. Hope people get the expectation right before listening to it.
There's a very emotional and spiritual quality (not religious, mind you) to every song in TIS. It never fails to move me. I and my grandfather listened to the whole album 3 times on Saturday, my grandfather, not being exosed to WCM and contemporary music, still being moved by His work.
Ilayaanil isaikku urugaar edharkkum urugaar
Edited: Mannikkavum, unarchivasappattu TIs pathi ezhudhitten...... forgot the topic
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"I mean, tmrrmt was absolutely right about peoples' ego even while talking about god"
alwarpet_andavan - to reiterate IR's viewpoint, let us put it this way - let us hypothetically assume (from theism's point of view) that God does exist - if He does exist, He must be one hell of a smart guy to have made all of us, life, the universe etc, right ? someone so smart does not require recognition from you and me, right ? is that is the case, why do people unneccarily talk about Him in public ?is it for His Glory ? or for their own glory ? that is a moot point to consider
If you are an atheist (which is what Kamal claims himself to be, though I have some strong doubts that he is not), then the above set of questions do not arise at all!
in any case, for most people, to talk about God, is the most preferred avocation, because it is very easy to do and can be used as a shield of escapism! at least in case of the superstar, I feel that is the case
in case of IR, it has to be genuine, since he has anyway accomplished enough, and he has no need to be deceitful
in case of Kamal, I feel that his claim of being an atheist itself is a form of escapism to justify his 'actions' in his professional and personal life!
anyways, it all brings to my mind, Paulo Coelho's book "The Alchemist", which has the following line "most people are so concerned / enamored with the destinies of others (including that of God's) that they forget their existence and destinies" or something to that effect
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Madhan,
>>someone so smart does not require recognition from you and me, right ? is that is the case, why do people unneccarily talk about Him in public ?<<
let's leave God, and get to humans...I know so many people (that includes you and me) at some point in time or the other tell others that we are fortunate to be living in same era as Raja's. Or when discuss some intricate guitar piece in Eera vizhi kAviyangaL, we exclaim "this is a work of a genius!"
Does Raja require recognition (which is not going to alter his position in any way)from you and me ?? - if it comes from itzhak perlman / the late yehudi menuhin, then its a different story
We still do it because we have had a positive impact due to his music, and one way of expressing our thanks (though indirectly) is this....I don't think Raja's remark about God and the work he has done for God is the category mentioned by you.
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tmrrmt,
Interesting points. As to the context of my own remarks - ego coming to the fore when people talk about gods, i mean here is a work which will move theists, atheists and agnostics alike, and all the 3 persons i mentioned in my posts are very religious. Not a case of ego exactly, but i don't think these people understand what they believe to be practising. You do have this "what's good for you needn't be good for me" thing, but hey, in that case, they aren't good enough for IR. Plain and simple.
About Kamal, he has been more or less consistent about his stand on god and religion and i don't think one can really say for sure what he believes in his heart. For me, though, his word is good enough
Personally, i didn't like IR's "friendly" remarks about God not waiting for Kamal's belief and all that, particularly when Kamal was not on stage when he said that. In fact, Kamal never uttered a word in contempt of religious belief in his speech. All he said was, even those who reject God cannot/will not reject Ilaiyaraaja's Thiruvasagam, a point to which even IR would agree, and that which has been proved by the experiences of some here also...
JUST MY 2 PAISE. PL NO MORE CONTROVERSY HERE OVER THIS
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I can' t help but post this as Kamal is being discussed
I agree with AA when he says Kamal has been more or less consistent about his views about God,religion.Does he really mean itl only ppl close to him would be able to tell.
But having followed him for quite some time now,I can see a mellowing down in Kamal these days.The strident posture which he used to adopt, particularly when it came to whether God exists or not has now been replaced by a more practical&reasonable approach.I think he is studying a lot more on this subject than before.
Earlier he used to sound like a rabble rouser(atleast I felt that way),not so now.
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Shankar - "I don't think Raja's remark about God and the work he has done for God is the category mentioned by you."
That is precisely what I was trying to convey - only the Lance Armstrongs, Sachin Tendulkars, and Ilaiyaraajas of this world can and will talk about God and deservingly so, because, having gone deep into their respective fields, sacrificing many things in the process, they attain some kind of realisation, the outcome of which is the talk about God
therefore, I stated that as fars as IR is concerned, "it has to be genuine, since he has anyway accomplished enough, and he has no need to be deceitful" - perhaps I should have worded it as "it is genuine, since he has anyway accomplished enough, and he feels no need to be deceitful like the others"
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"About Kamal, he has been more or less consistent about his stand on god and religion and i don't think one can really say for sure what he believes in his heart. For me, though, his word is good enough"
yesterday while watching the show, my dad laughed at that remark by IR ! when I asked him, he told me that every movie of Kamal's will not be released without an archanai in Azhagar kovil, which is done at Kamal's insistence! I was stunned to hear this - when I probed further, my dad told me that Kamal's lucky number is 6 (as per numerology) and hence, the sixth reel of his yet-to-be-released movie is taken to Azhagar kovil and archanai is done! before the release of "Kalyanaraman", when the archanai was done at Azhagar kovil (near Madurai), my dad was there in person (for some other work) and the info was given to him by a distributor friend who is very close to Kamal!
now, why does Kamal vehemently talk against theism in public ?
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yesterday while watching the show, my dad laughed at that remark by IR ! when I asked him, he told me that every movie of Kamal's will not be released without an archanai in Azhagar kovil, which is done at Kamal's insistence! I was stunned to hear this - when I probed further, my dad told me that Kamal's lucky number is 6 (as per numerology) and hence, the sixth reel of his yet-to-be-released movie is taken to Azhagar kovil and archanai is done! before the release of "Kalyanaraman", when the archanai was done at Azhagar kovil (near Madurai), my dad was there in person (for some other work) and the info was given to him by a distributor friend who is very close to Kamal!
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There is every chance that this has been done on someone else's (say, the producer, distributor, well wisher etc) insistence.
There is a very common habit amongst our people, especially Brahmins (my mom told me one even yesterday ), who have a story or two about a Periyar offering prayers in temples, about Kalaignar doing an archanai and what not? About Kalaignar, he can stoop really low no doubts , but Kamal?, nah!
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it is very easy in India to become famous by talkin about atheism. but in their personal world, they could be practicing their religion, if u ask them why it is so, they would immediately say that personal life is diff from social life.
I am not trying to criticise Kamal. It is the fault of the people. They see these people as socrates and call them as Pagutharivu thanthai etc etc. What Pagutharivu did he give ? At the same time, people dont give a damn for the people who have fully realised (such as Guru Ramana).
IR was such saying that God doesnt give a damn for Kamal. He doesnt wait for Kamal to believe him......
But at the same time, IR's speech was very critical of Bharatiraja. He asked him to take 100s of births......
What I particularly dont like of IR's speech was that he talked as if he has acieved enlightenment. It could very well be true. But such Mahaans dont crave for publicity or political gains. They dont care if others praise/castigate them. Rajini gave a good speech and Vaiko's speech was awesome.
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alwarpet_andavan - my source of information is authentic, besides, my dad himself has dabbled with distribution (MGR's URIMAIKKURAL) three decades ago
anyways, let us leave others beliefs to themselves, and focus on their works - so what is on with 'Vettaiyadu velaiyaadu' - I hope Kamal 'bendu nimithu'fies Harris Jeyaraj for some decent music!
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"Vaiko's speech was awesome" - I second that ! Vaiko had done substantial homework and kinda done literature survey fit enough for a mini-theses on the origins of YAAZH, thru different civilizations!
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I am not trying to criticise Kamal. It is the fault of the people. They see these people as socrates and call them as Pagutharivu thanthai etc etc. What Pagutharivu did he give ? At the same time, people dont give a damn for the people who have fully realised (such as Guru Ramana).
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I totally agree.
But in Kamal's case I believe that he has been fairly consistent in his public statements with a little mellowing down happening now.If someone were to tell me that Kamal does believe in God,I wouldn't be surprised.Just read his recent interviews or even films,that strong anti-God stand does not exist( I think more than the concept of God,he was/is against idol worship,aarthi&the vibhuthi,kumkum culture) but numerolgy,Archanai for the sixth reel in temples-difficult to take in.I like AA will go by what he talks than believe stories(Sorry Madhan,no offence meant to you or your dad)
Even assuming that story to be true,it happened at the time of 'Kalyanaraman' which a late 70's film, right?I don't know what Kamal's thoughts were at that point of time.Has there been any interview,public statement by Kamal at that time where he has spoken against theism?
Anyways,you are right in saying we should leave their beliefs to themselves&concentrate on their work.
The kind of bad publicity Khaja bhai is going thro',VV still looks a doubtful starter.
Let's carry on in the VV thread&leave this to discuss just IR's new albums.
When is AOKK releasing?
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Regd Kamal, I strongly believe in the following points.
1. Due to his deep personal problems.., he has now started feeling some kind of loneliness and also about some inevitable supreme power above him. This is evident from some of his interviews..
2. During the 70s or 80s..when he was establishing, he badly wanted people to forget that he is of brahmin origin..Atheism was a way for achieving that..Rajni just did the opposite and yet came to No.1 position..
Now the times are different and guys like Madhavan do not need this kind of masks..as people have now softened anti-brahmin feelings..
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alwarpet_andavan - my source of information is authentic, besides, my dad himself has dabbled with distribution (MGR's URIMAIKKURAL) three decades ago
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tmrrmt,
I never doubted the authenticity of your infor-source. Sorry if my words gave that impression. All i said was there might be something than meets the eye - like the producer doing all that, Kamal's belief notwithstanding. So there......
tmrrmt wrote: |
I hope Kamal 'bendu nimithu'fies Harris Jeyaraj for some decent music!
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raja_fan wrote: |
Regd Kamal, I strongly believe in the following points.
1. Due to his deep personal problems.., he has now started feeling some kind of loneliness and also about some inevitable supreme power above him. This is evident from some of his interviews..
2. During the 70s or 80s..when he was establishing, he badly wanted people to forget that he is of brahmin origin..Atheism was a way for achieving that..Rajni just did the opposite and yet came to No.1 position..
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Hmmm,Your first point might be a reason for kamal bringing down his stridency.
As for point no 2,good analyis.Might or might not be true.
BTW,Rajni's spiritual leanings are coming out after 90's, right? despite a 'Sri raghavendra'in the mid 80's.
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Rajini is really nuts guys. He definitely has the inner peace for sometime I guess ( I could see his calmness and composure when I got a chance to talk to him for 5 minutes).
He looked like a very deep person with so much peace (which we see in great saints). But at the same time, he was smoking incessantly...... And some statements he says r just nuts.
So he is a diff extreme as Kamal is.
These are their personal beliefs and let us just leave them there. We should never start to hate or adulate them(as Rajini calls IR as Saamy ) for their beliefs ........
As long as they keep their policies personal, no problem at all. But
Sathyaraj is a famous atheist - and unlike Kamal, he has been continously hurting the sentiments of people following the religion (especially Hindus)...... He knows that he will draw flak if he insulted other religions (afterall every religion has its own beliefs). But unfortunately our own people think that he is a thinker ) On the other hand, sages say that mind is the main reason for all our sufferings, so making the mind quiet is the main goal.....
We try to create a Mahatma whenever a person tends to be vague
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It's both funny and sad that people like Sathyaraj and Kamal would deny the existence of God. After all, it was God who allowed them to become big names. Atheists will be atheists, I guess.
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Shouldn't it be more funny for people to attribute all their achievements of tedious labor to something non-existent
It is a common practice for people to mudsling atheists who strongly believe in their own existence and dont credit anything to any supreme being. people tend to say that they have belief but somehow they try to hide the fact and pose as atheists...... Rubbish.
give us one good reason for people acting like that?!!
will you people do that from your heart of hearts?!! that you believe in something and pose as something else?!!
It is a very hard and trecherous path which we have to go through our lives. though we know there is nothing called GOD. the society around us keeps on insisting us to belive in their belief system. When we oppose we are mudslinged like this.....
for instance though an atheist i had to marry in a temple due to family pressure. we make compromise for the society against our beliefs. For this compromise against my wish, which had more compassion towards fellow human beings-. I was ridiculed as been made to bow before GOD. i just had my laugh over it 'Evalavu Kruramaama manasu' deriving sadistic pleasures out of another man's pain.
It pains It pains a lot being an atheist... but the belief we have that there is no god makes our life more happier than any of you believers, enriching and cherishing our existence in this purposeless universe.
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Can we talk about IRs new album here, please.
Please visit this URL to see what DSP says about IR
http://idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/chitchat-devisriprasad.html
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tmrrmt wrote: |
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That is precisely what I was trying to convey - only the Lance Armstrongs, Sachin Tendulkars, and Ilaiyaraajas of this world can and will talk about God and deservingly so, because, having gone deep into their respective fields, sacrificing many things in the process, they attain some kind of realisation, the outcome of which is the talk about God
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Good point , tmrrmt. I am not sure about the 'can and will', but if people like these talk about God or anything else, I listen. I think the human mind is capable of great things, even the owner of such a mind is awed by it and starts to attribute it to God.
I dont know about Kamal or Sathyaraj's personal character and other things. But even though I do believe in God, I think, I like the atheism of these accomplished people as it balances out the extreme superstition that pervades the indian life, if not necessarily the movie industry. This is for the very same reason, I like rajasaranams post here, even while he is critical of IR (even though I love IR's music).
rajasaranam ..atheism is a great concept ..but without God we have a major social engineering problem. DMK had to invent, 'kadamai, kanniyam, kattuppaadu' just for this reason. If you analyse hinduism deeply it is almost atheistic. The concept of karma, for example, has no place for 'divine intervention'. Anyways, to me atheism or theism , whatever philosophy is for the lasting happiness of all human beings , I am for it.
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Can we talk about IRs new album here, please.
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Can we talk about IRs new album here, please. |
njv,
Sure we can. Do u want me to talk like a gnani about IR's new album.
I am ready for it.....
I don't know how people succumb to the cheap cheats and go ga gaa about a piece of work which is at the maximum a rumble about which when someone egoistic, not a worth to stand infront of camera says that they have done something new. Can someone point out what is new about this so called gnani of isai has done? When everything in the world is nothing but a clever rehash of seven notes which unknowingly the person in question has accepted. But here too that person has shown his conceit and want us to believe that there are only seven swaras, when actually people of indian classical music reduce them to 12 swaras. But again who are those classical music personnel who are nothing useful than sitting merely in AC hall sing something boring which would please none but make a few person who belive only their caste has done something to the music as if theirs has done everything for the humankind. Coming to talk about humankind, what is there in humankind, when it itself an oxymoron, human-kind. which human is kind? human is the very reason for the depletion of ozone layer, greedy to earn more money and comfort, greedy enough not to allow other original thinkers (u know whom am i implying, if u don't then u r worthless creature) to get their fame. Talking about greed, what is there in this all prevailing maya world, greed, good, bad, ugly (no..no..dont whistle that famous tune, i am not talking about that "good bad and ugly). Every thing is maya and chaya. Talking of that maya and chaya this rajinikanth thought himself of a saint and thought he would give us whatever he thinks and assumed that we will accept that, his creation was not even a 2.5 rupees worth of chaayaa. Whereas, is kamalahassan like that? Coming to his name, I know, why he changed his name to kamal hassan, removing the "a" he wanted himself to sound like a non-hindu, atheist when everyone in the world knows he is showing, off. When it comes to showing off...
no..no..don't drag me out, i am not from chennai 10...
believe me please.
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cacophonix,
You've chosen ur name well...
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guys, yesterday I saw IR's "Talk with the Maestro" program on SS channel - it was all nicely done - what impressed me was for the first time, IR talked about the nitty-gritties of writing sheet music, when he explained that if you write the notations for "namachhivaya vazhga" tune in one line, the next lines should have different notations for each set of instruments accompanying that particular tune/line!
Whew! that must be some tedious work! to even visualise IR 'transcribing and translating' his complex thought process into notations is mindboggling!
hmmmm! the human mind is a conundrum and even 50-100 years from now, when congnitive neuroscience advances to stages that have never been conceived of, understanding the way our brain functions, especially with respect to the creativity of artistes, will not be possible
It is the mark of an instructed mind to rest easy with the degree of precision, which the nature of the subject permits, and not to seek exactness where only an approximation of the truth is possible.
- Aristotle, 384-322 BC
so I wondered with a sigh, it is better not to understand certain things!
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Cacaphonix wrote: |
Quote: | Can we talk about IRs new album here, please. |
njv,
Sure we can. Do u want me to talk like a gnani about IR's new album.
I am ready for it.....
I don't know how people succumb to the cheap cheats and go ga gaa about a piece of work which is at the maximum a rumble about which when someone egoistic, not a worth to stand infront of camera says that they have done something new. Can someone point out what is new about this so called gnani of isai has done? When everything in the world is nothing but a clever rehash of seven notes which unknowingly the person in question has accepted. But here too that person has shown his conceit and want us to believe that there are only seven swaras, when actually people of indian classical music reduce them to 12 swaras. But again who are those classical music personnel who are nothing useful than sitting merely in AC hall sing something boring which would please none but make a few person who belive only their caste has done something to the music as if theirs has done everything for the humankind. Coming to talk about humankind, what is there in humankind, when it itself an oxymoron, human-kind. which human is kind? human is the very reason for the depletion of ozone layer, greedy to earn more money and comfort, greedy enough not to allow other original thinkers (u know whom am i implying, if u don't then u r worthless creature) to get their fame. Talking about greed, what is there in this all prevailing maya world, greed, good, bad, ugly (no..no..dont whistle that famous tune, i am not talking about that "good bad and ugly). Every thing is maya and chaya. Talking of that maya and chaya this rajinikanth thought himself of a saint and thought he would give us whatever he thinks and assumed that we will accept that, his creation was not even a 2.5 rupees worth of chaayaa. Whereas, is kamalahassan like that? Coming to his name, I know, why he changed his name to kamal hassan, removing the "a" he wanted himself to sound like a non-hindu, atheist when everyone in the world knows he is showing, off. When it comes to showing off...
no..no..don't drag me out, i am not from chennai 10...
believe me please. |
Can you repeat the question????????????
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rajasaranam wrote: |
Shouldn't it be more funny for people to attribute all their achievements of tedious labor to something non-existent
It is a common practice for people to mudsling atheists who strongly believe in their own existence and dont credit anything to any supreme being. people tend to say that they have belief but somehow they try to hide the fact and pose as atheists...... Rubbish.
give us one good reason for people acting like that?!!
will you people do that from your heart of hearts?!! that you believe in something and pose as something else?!!
It is a very hard and trecherous path which we have to go through our lives. though we know there is nothing called GOD. the society around us keeps on insisting us to belive in their belief system. When we oppose we are mudslinged like this.....
for instance though an atheist i had to marry in a temple due to family pressure. we make compromise for the society against our beliefs. For this compromise against my wish, which had more compassion towards fellow human beings-. I was ridiculed as been made to bow before GOD. i just had my laugh over it 'Evalavu Kruramaama manasu' deriving sadistic pleasures out of another man's pain.
It pains It pains a lot being an atheist... but the belief we have that there is no god makes our life more happier than any of you believers, enriching and cherishing our existence in this purposeless universe. |
Whether i'm a theist or atheist is immaterial but that was a fitting reply to some mudslingers here.
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Can you repeat the question???????????? |
A.A
Golden words are not repeated )
Btw, I forgot to add smilies to my previous posting. I hope this would clear any doubts about my previous posting.
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http://216.65.197.170/kumudam/270705/pg13.php
Interesting one liners from VM...
IR - ArmOniya arasar
ARR- Keyboard king...
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I thoroughly enjoyed the posts of madhan, rajasaranam, vem and cacophonix!
Theism or Atheism, it is human mind and spirit that gives meaning and shape to these ideals. Let us agree to salute the spirit of IR, who has come out with a monumental piece of work like thiruvasagam. No matter what he says about the number of births he has to take and other "beliefs" of his, truth is that in this life he has utilised the talent he has in the fullest(at least in my opinion).
Let us see what he is going to do next and how his pet project of Music foundation going to come up?
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Small digression,
Back from Bangalore after vacation, one of the most memorable ones obviously for having attended the TIO release function.
For all those IR fans interested in yester year IR telugu songs, "Aditya" audio has released almost entire IR-Chiranjeevi, and Ir-Vamshi movies on CD with copyrights from "Echo" label. Got most of them except a few from Music World store in Jayanagar.
Somehow I couldn't get "Preminchu Pelladu" and "Ladies Tailor"
Recording quality is good in most of them.
Teja, there was another CD compilation of mostly dubbed versions of tamil hit IR songs like songs from Kakki Chattai, Chinnakoundar, Apoorva Sahodarargal, etc in that there is this Telugu version of "Vanna Vanna Pokkal" "Kozhi Koovum " song, do u happen to know the title of this movie in telugu, I am desperately looking for
" kannamma kaadhal enum" telugu version, probably sung by SPB and SJ, thanks in advance
Prabhudas
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IR signs another telugu film "Factory"
It's an experimental film - a suspence thriller, with just one character through out the film.
http://andhrajyothy.com/cinema/cineshow.asp?qry=cj-july/29-07cj5
Article says IR is impressed by the concept and agreed to do the film. This film has 2 songs with special importance to BGM.
Looks like telugu audience are lucky this year. IR has signed 4 telugu films in last one month or so.
Prabhu das,
I have no idea about that songs. I will check up and let you know.
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Teja,
Can you tell me which are the other 2 movies of IR. One i remember is Dir Teja's film and Factory.
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Jagan,
Other two are by Vamsy...
http://www.telugucinema.com/c/movies/vamsyandraja.php
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http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=13907409
IR is the MD for a Dileep-Kamal(Not Hassan)film in Malayalam.
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http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/specials/dhanush2.html
AOKK is having trouble finding distributors willing to pay the price the producer is asking.
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Surprising to see Raja in kamal's film...Kamal generally sticks to Mohan Sitara for his movies.
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Lohitdas, director of Kasturimaan on IR:
http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/01082005-4.shtml
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Good to read about more MFM than TFM albums from IR. He has better chances there to give some classical stuff devoid of synth.
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"He has better chances there to give some classical stuff devoid of synth."
It is true... Listen to "Oru Chiri Kandal" song & all other songs of the movie ponmudi puzhaorathu. Just Great.
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http://www.chennaionline.com/music/Events/2005/08ilayaraja-italy.asp
Ilayaraja-Live in Italy now available thro' chennaionline.
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Vkirsh,
I felt the tune and the interludes of the song "paNdathE nAttinpuram" are better than "ori chiri kaNdAl"..but Raja spoils the song by singing ...He's off key in some places, and his mallu is aweful
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digression:
IR's daughter Bhavatharini to wed in sept.
http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/03082005-2.shtml
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=200952&disdate=8/3/2005
...
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Heard a Kannada song in radio FM yesterday and heard Rajas' touch throughout.It turned out to be from Bavatharini for the yet - to be released movie "kiya kiya"
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Dig:
Snaps from Bhava's engagement.The Indiaglitz photographer seems to have been smitten by Shruthi Hasan
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/7879.html
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IR's BBC interview
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/tamilfilmmusic42.ram
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/tamilfilmmusic43.ram
The entire series on TFM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/highlights/story/2004/08/040805_filmsongs.shtml#42
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Iam listening to 43.ram, very interesting, IR explains how he didnt play any tunes at all to Avadhaaram and how he plays just the final versions with the orchestration to the directors and also mentions about MSV singing his tune to each and every one in the studio ) I wish the interview was longer.
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We had a discussion sometime back(almost couple of years) on singer's melody vs listener's melody Where I mentioned how Poongatru pudhidhaanadhu has short sandhams/words, broken in terms of tune but with chords and instrumental pieces filling in and contrasted it with a singer's melody. IR explains the same, this time taking "OLiyile thiruvadhu" as an example. The tune by itself is nothing, even I could hum one such tune while taking a shower But along with the orchestration the song takes a whole new direction
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Damn, I wish we had a live chat seesion like this with him with everyone shooting their questions and IR answering it. I could think of atleast a hundred questions to ask right now. Wishful thinking
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/08/05/stories/2005080500540402.htm
IR is the MD for 'Jithan'Ramesh's next movie.
http://www.idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/news262.html
IR comes out with 9 tunes in two half hour sessions for Teja's new telugu movie. 8)
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Dig:
Cinefan - SH looks like a poor clone of her mom than dad - looks anorexic a la the late Diana!
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Dig: and cinefan, who is that fat 'mami' in blue saree ?
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tmrrmt wrote: |
Dig:
Cinefan - SH looks like a poor clone of her mom than dad - looks anorexic a la the late Diana! |
Nah,I feel she is a mixture of her dad&mom(of course more her mom)
Ya ,she can do with eating a lot more of sumptious food.
BTW,she is also into modelling,she's screen tested for a 'Boutique'(print ad).
mami in blue saree ,will need to check out the pics again.
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alwarpet_andavan - it is from NAAN PAADUM PAADAL - 'Mike' Mohan's blockbuster of the mid-80s, courtesy -IR's music!
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NAAN PAADUM PAADAL
I saw this movie few days back in Raj TV. This film would have been long forgotten if IR is not there. There is nothing in the film except songs.
But I wonder if IR gave the re-recording work to some other MD for this film..it was definitely IR standard..very weak.
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OOPS !!
Pls read "it was not definitely IR standard"
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dark blue saree (page 1) - must be Karthik Raja's wife
light blue saree (page 2) - SA Chandrasekhar's wife, Shoba Chandrasekar (or, actor Vijay'Oda ammA)
violet saree (page 6) -Latha Rajinikanth...
vEra yaru sir kaNdupidikkanum?
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App engine
Dark blue saree (page1) is YSR'S wife. She looks more old than YSR in these pics.
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First time in her life, Bhavatharini looks good. And IR as usual has charming smile. Looks like they have applied all the makeup for Bhava
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sats wrote: |
App engine
Dark blue saree (page1) is YSR'S wife. She looks more old than YSR in these pics. |
Bingo
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http://www.idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/news262.html See the 3rd Item
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9 tunes in one hour... that ~7 minutes/tune!
This man is beyond genius... in every which way.
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Teja
As always thanks for the updates from TeFM.
As speed was never a problem with IR and being a spontaneous person it is no wonder he gets the tunes in no time.
However Hope IR spends more time on Orchestration...
Bala
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Let us not get carried away with the speed. I just hope IR doesnt recycle his old tunes....
Speed was never a problem with IR. The problem being lack of freshness .....
But we attribute that to lack of motivation, old age etc etc.
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vem wrote: |
I just hope IR doesnt recycle his old tunes....
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I agree with you....but on the flip side, I wouldn't really mind even if he recycles. IR badly needs a big hit in Telugu.
A whole bunch of his tamil classics are still unheard of in AP.
If IR recycles all his tamil hits into telugu... he'll back at #1 spot in telugu in no time.
Apparantly, that's what these Top telugu MDs - Manisharma, RP Patnaik, Devi Sri Prasad... have been doing.
I wouldn't mind if IR recycles a "Puttam puthu kaalai", "vaanaville vaanaville", "Unnai thedi thedi" etc in Chita's voice.
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good point Teja......
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Guys, anyone remembers Sumathy Ram of Vishwa Thulasi fame? Can anyone help me get her Houston contact details? Sorry for the digression.
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Teja,
director Teja says in the interview he will be introducing entirely new set of singers for this movie , does it mean, IR will not have his own choice, or is Teja so confident he will convince IR for new singers. I mean not that anything is wrong in that, but we will definitely miss Chitra. When RP found a place ( he must have literally plead IR ) in one of the last IR's Telugu movie, I guess it is possible.
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=201953&disdate=8/8/2005
Vivek's certificate...(not that IR needs it...just for info)...
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app_engine wrote: |
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=201953&disdate=8/8/2005
Vivek's certificate...(not that IR needs it...just for info)... |
He mentioned that durign Aa Aah release. Though it looks nice when you read the interview from dailythanthi, the way he sounded wasnt right. I am verbatim him here
"Isai gnani (clap so he has to pause) illayaraja (clap again) indha nootraandin thalai sirandha music directoraaga irukkalaam aanal indha nootraandaiyum thaandi aduththa nootraandin sirantha music directornaa adhu arr rahman mattum thaan"
What I didn like during his speach was the way he sounded "aanal". Probably he didnt know that the world was watching him.
I also happened to watch PA Vijay's book release in SunTV last saturday night (this is not advertised, since its more like SunTV/DMK's kudumba function!). It seems it happened on the same day as TIS and the reason for KH to leave TIS early. Anyways, there when Dr Karunanidhi mentioned "Isai Gnani" the whole hall (mostly DMK party members) was clapping their hand. Dr Karunanidhi mentioned that he only gave "Isai Gnani" pattam to Illayaraja and he gave "Kalai Gnani" pattam to KH during Marudhanayagam inaguration etc and finally he gave "Viththaga Kavignar" pattam to Vijay.
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WHO IS THIS VIVEK ????
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aduththa nootrAndu is still a long way to go. Is Vivek pulling ARR here
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During my recent trip to Tamilnadu, I happened to hear 4 songs of IR's recent "Oru NaaL Oru Kanavu" from suryan FM , played frequently. Easily the Yaman/Kalyani based "Kaatril varum geethame" wins hands down for a sweet tune and pleasant feel.
"Kajuraho kanavile" is pacy and quite catchy. I had initially thought it to be a VS number. But we have heard this usual IR's scale innumerable times.
"konjam thira" - a pleasing tune again , the second best from the album. But Sonunigam plays the spoilsport. I can very well imagine SPB opening the song "konjam thira kanne" huskily in his inimitable style. Ah those wonderful days!!!
"Enna paatu venum" - Hamsadhwani based pop song that begs for SPB to become immortal like a "Enge endhan kaadhali" . Alas, Sonu's effeminate voice just doesn't have the boisterous bubbliness of a SPB .
A disturbing aspect of this album is the near absence of any live orchestration which fans always expect from IR and how he has let us down!!!
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I too miss SPB in Raaja's music!! SPB has done a amazing job in Vishwa thulasi, his voice is for ever sweet. I am addicted to kannamaa... and Nizhalin.....I watch very less movies, recent movies i don't get to watch at all, unless it is kamal or Balu mahendra etc.. May be Raaja is not using SPB because present day actors need different voice. Yenakku puriyalai But SPB is very versatile, any way i am a hardcore fan of Balu, I miss him very much, naan poyee Balu paadina pattu kettuppen!! film music to Sivasthuthi, SPB is fantastic!!
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Sonu Nigam is a very bad choice. Not sure why Raja chose him for so many songs.
Shreya Ghosal.... the best voice after Chitra. If I am not wrong, she has already replaced Sadhana Sargam as all MD's choice.
A decent album from IR after long time.
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Was just listening to the song "Kaadhal Oviyam" (Alaigal Oyvadhillai). Every time I listen to this song, it sends goose pimples all over. Right from the start of "Om..with kovil bell" continued with dual layer female chorus with Church bell..till the end its sheer magic. Dont have any words to explain the feeling that this song gives. The interludes are mesmerising. The bass guitar is very prominent in the song (especially is very prominent in the second interlude). Thats the bass guitar...am I right?
Sorry for bringing up an old song, but just could not contain myself:) Is there any thread where old songs of IR are discussed?
thanks
Krishnan
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Krish, no probs. When there is not much to rave about Raja's recent filmi works, fans have no other option but to reminisce about his past
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I heard that IR's album Chidambarathil Oru Appasamy is releasing tomorrow. Kasthuri Maan will follow in the next few days. What are the other ones in pipeline?
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crvenky wrote: |
I heard that IR's album Chidambarathil Oru Appasamy is releasing tomorrow. Kasthuri Maan will follow in the next few days. What are the other ones in pipeline? |
Yes,Chidambarathil.......is out tomorrow.BR,BM&others are partcipating in the release function but Isaignani has excused himself because of work pressure
http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/livewire.asp?n=audio11.txt
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thumburu wrote: |
Krish, no probs. When there is not much to rave about Raja's recent filmi works, fans have no other option but to reminisce about his past |
Adhu Oru Kana Kalam
Oru Naal Oru Kanavu
Chidambarathil Oru Appusamy
Kasturimaan
2 Telugu movies for Teja
3 Malayalam movies
Moods Of IR - Non filmi album
All with in next 2 months
Want more? Wait for 1 more week and you will know the next "big" announcement.
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njv --> Any clues on the next big announcement?
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NormalMan wrote: |
njv --> Any clues on the next big announcement? |
Not confirmed yet, so I am just waiting, but a tamil movie
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/trailer/7485.html
ONOK trailer. Music gets better with the trailer. I am sure it will rock in theatre.
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yes njv, I watched the trailer and i was really rocking. Good to see Fazil after a long time.
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Krish244, please dont be sorry discussing Raajas old songs!! Our Raaja has created innumerable classics!! I am now listening to Balanagamma- koondhalilae.... KJJ, what a masterpiece!! From violin prelude to KJJs soft rendering, S.P.Shailus beautiful humming, violin piece in the second interlude , KJJs thom dham dham.... ayyo yennannu solluven!!! Divine!! We are blessed!!
Earlier i was listening to "vennilavin..."Athiradi Padai Balu and chithra!! What a beauty?? Slow, romantic tune, beautiful complementary orchestra, rasichu Balu singing with laugh 'oorum..' steal your heart forever!! Naaney love pannaraamaadhiry yerukkum yenakku , what a pleasure!! thank you Ilayaraaja!! vinatha
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Thanks thumburu & Baroque. Just felt that I could be disturbing the rythm in the thread...thats why
BTW, I just saw the trailer in IndiaGlitz site. Good One. Did you guys see the official website of ONOK (http://www.orunaalorukanavu.com)? Only now I heard (in the official website) the other two sample versions of "Kaatril Varum Geetham", one by IR and the other by Bhava & Shreya. In the Bhava & Shreya version, tabla beats are replaced (tabla starts in stanza though) by modern/western sounds. Decent version, I should say.
thanks
Krishnan
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IR talks about 'Thiruvaasagam'on Star Vijay,15th Aug,11am.
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/08/12/stories/2005081200270200.htm
Fazil talks about ONOK music...
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Hi Krish,
Same here.. Wheneve I listen to this one.. i am transported to a new world..Kathal Oviyam song from ALaigal Oivathillai is one of my all time best of IR songs.. Especially when the starting chorus goes, I always get goosebumps... what a song..
Incidentally when Jency was interviewed in Surya TV sometime back, she said that it is her best too. I like voice a lot.. and how she is remembered by most people in Kerala for a tamil song.
Cheers
MSK
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Idlebrain reports...
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Three producers for Teja's film
D Suresh Babu, Teja and Nallamalupu Bujji would be jointly producing Teja's next film Kotha Chitram. This film would be a new line cinema. Ilayaraja has already given 9 tunes for this film. Recording of songs would be start on next Wednesday in Chennai. Teja is planning to introduce new singers through this film. We have already asked the interested visitors to send a mail to sing4teja@idlebrain.com to grab the opportunity to sing in Teja's Kotha Chitram under the baton of Ilayaraja. Teja is considering all the mails that are sent with a sample audio file of less than 1 mb. This film would be launched very soon. |
Good to see IR's telugu film getting much needed hype.
Prabhudas,
Not sure about the details, but I'm sure IR has the final word in selecting the singers.
RP patnaik mentioned in one interview that he requested IR to give him one chance to sing under his baton. So, it's not like these singers are forced on IR.
It would be interesting to see who IR picks this time...
Atleast, we don't have to listen to ShreyaGhosal and Sonu Nigam... [Not that there is anything wrong with them ]
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Cinefan wrote: |
IR talks about 'Thiruvaasagam'on Star Vijay,15th Aug,11am. |
There is an interview from ilayaraja (titled "thiruvasakathin thalai magan") on Raj TV at 1.00 pm and a program about his thiruvasagam at 07.00 pm on K TV
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rooky wrote: |
Cinefan wrote: | IR talks about 'Thiruvaasagam'on Star Vijay,15th Aug,11am. |
There is an interview from ilayaraja (titled "thiruvasakathin thalai magan") on Raj TV at 1.00 pm and a program about his thiruvasagam at 07.00 pm on K TV |
Wov great news
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Hi IR fans,
"Chithambarathil Oru Appasamy" audio has been out.
Any review? It is another Azhaki?
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http://www.kumudam.com/lightsonline/130805/pg9.php
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http://216.65.197.170/lightsonline/mainpage.php
Another Kumudam interview with Lohitdas, where he says, that in Kasturiman, importance has been given to melody.
And Sanjeevi, why should COA be another azhagi. The film is in a totally different genre. Wewill expect another azhagi and then get disappointed bcos, it is not so. I Think it will be very different and very folk based, going by the looks of it.
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Thankar opens his big mouth about masala movies but he has included one item number in the COAS. why thankar why?? I hope he atleast comes out with another good screenplay.
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"COA" audio release function photos:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/7931.html
thanks
Krishnan
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My wife said she got a new album by IR, Bakthi album titled "Amma Paamaalai", Music by IR, Lyrics Valee, and Released by Welgate Audio ...
I am yet to listen to the songs, But I got the info on the songs - people can try, it is available in bangalore so it should be there in Tamil Nadu as well
Songs :
1. EnakkuL - IR
2. Kollooramma - Bhavadharini
3. Neerum KaatRum - Bhavadharini
4. Ninaiththum - Bhavadharini
5. Amma un - Bhavadharini
6. Aaazhakkadalil - Bhavadharini
7. Amma Amma - Bhavadharini
8. EnakkuL ... - IR
NagaS
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There is an article on the August issue of Uyirmai that talks about how Raja broke the traditional constraints around Ragas.
I will be an interesting read for those of you who are well versed in carnatic ragas.
Try uyirmai.com, it might be there.
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Happened to see the Independence Day special interview ( Sun TV) program with Srikanth, Faazil, S Agarwal, man, Faazil has totally scr*wed up the picturisation of the most catchy song of the movie with amazing interludes
( Kajuraho...).
Just the pure magic of those interludes should have kindled a little bit of his creative brain ( no sarcasm... but that's what he claimed how his creative thinking didn't have any inhibitions during his childhood).
Well his song picturisations have always been a so so any ways, if u have noted some of the gems wasted in "Povili vaasalile", "kaadhalukku Mariyadhai" etc movies.
Anybody , yet with COA review
Prabhudas
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3rd part of IR's interview for BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/tamilfilmmusic44.ram
Replace 44 with 42 and 43 in above link to listen to first 2 parts.The only interview where some slightly technical questions are asked as compared to the garbage questions we read in Kumudam, anadha vikatan etc. when they interview IR. Live illustration of shruthibedham by IR referring to the rare "sangeethame" song from Kovil Pura
IR laughs a lot too during the interview. I wish I was there to ask my set of questions
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multinamatheyan wrote: |
There is an article on the August issue of Uyirmai that talks about how Raja broke the traditional constraints around Ragas.
I will be an interesting read for those of you who are well versed in carnatic ragas.
Try uyirmai.com, it might be there. |
Yes, the article came out in uriymai. It has three parts and one delves deeper into carnatic ragas and such. uyirmai.com is part of chennaionline network and I don't think they update it often.
Prabudas:
I think Fazil badly needs to switch over to some new cinematographer. I don't like ananta kuttan who likes sutterikkum veiyil in many frames.
Anybody listened to COA?
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//Dig :-
It is not only the sangakaala pulavar's prerogative to
extoll the ?(non)existent virtues of kings/chieftains to
earn a tidy sum of pon, mani, pattaakkaL etc, our current musicians are no inferior in sychophancy to our "manbumigu"'s that would put all ARR/MSV/IR jaalras to shame. Take our veteran BMK. Do you know that he has coined a raga "jayajayalalitha" after our Amma? Now why didn't he name it "Jayalalitha"?
How can he , when already our new Isaignaani Kunnakkudi has a
raga named after Jayalalitha? I will not be surprised if atleast this time BMK doesn't lose time in composing a krithi in jayajayalalitha raga like this
pallavi : "jayalalithe unnai nambi adi panindhen
sindhai irangi kaappaai
aruL purivaai jayalalithe......
anupallavi : admk vil vandhu avadharitha Deviye
bharat ratna enakku parindhuraippaai neeye (jayalalithe )
Iam sure BMK will beat Kunnakudi this time as I last overheard our Kunnakkudiji is busy struggling to complete the
"jayalalitha sahasranaamam" [ I bet it won't
happen that soon . Amma mela 1000 thiru naamangaL nna summaavaa?)
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i really envy the peace and tranquility that i find at IR's threads with no ARR-fan spoiling the threads with derogatory remarks........u know we have to put up with a 1000 arguements with IR-fans who gatecrash into rising,Ah Aah threads for just calling a ARR album as a gud one.......we r literally tied down by unwanted remarks which is killing our spirit there.....neway guys sorry if i had gatecrashed in here .......i just felt very happy at the peaceful atmosphere here
i listened to a fast number from ONOK which was very unique IR composition......gr8 that IR finds more ways to compose unique songs.....hats off raja sir......
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Maddy
I find a new way. Stop responding to those intruders!
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"i really envy the peace and tranquility that i find at IR's threads with no ARR-fan spoiling the threads with derogatory remarks."
Maddy sir, please check the very next thread where ananth & vijay are trying to suggest some new idea for IR to work on...
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http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/news/2005/08/17/award.html
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I preferred Vijay to Raj although the later showed extensively , the TIO release function.
Vijay version had some TF folks like Nasser, Parthiban, Vivek interviewing IR.
Nasser recapitulated to IR about how he was
called for Avatharam music disc at 5am and he was made to sit like an idiot before IR for 45 min when IR uttered not a word to Nasser and instead started writing something on sheet after sheets , much to Nasser's annoyance. When Nasser recounted this part to IR in the interview, he was truly taken aback and with a disarming smile accepted that he didnot remember this incident.But Nasser continued to narrate it , saying he was thinking IR was probably writing some letter or working on some other movie. After 45 min, itseems IR called Puru and asked him to take copies and give it to the musicians. Nasser then mustered enough courage and told IR that he had come regarding Avatharam music and Raja shocked Nasser by saying he had just completed writing the score for avatharam and the job was over. Now IR was able to recollect the incident.
Parthiban honestly admitted to IR that he first heard TIO in his car
and didn't think much about it .His subsequent hearings in his studio when he was alone made him numb and all he could feel was dried up tear drops. when parthibn started confessing he was not an "aanmigavaadhi", IR interjected nd told him everybody has athma and the diff lies only between the one who has realized it and one who has not yet.
Vivek asked IR about some "OLi" in his eyes[when did he switch over from comedy to opthalmalogy?) which IR rightfully dismissed it as some kind of hallucination and added he was aware of the follies inside him.[appaada oru vazhiyaa othundare!!!]
In Raj, bHAVA WAS SHOWN SINGING "JANANI Janani" . I pity the audience. IR has taken nepotism to new heights.Itseems IR had flushed off TIO from his system once the mixing was finished at newyork and started focussing on other works.
Believable, since I see no trace of TIO in MExp.
IR told Kamal was the first outsider to have listened to TIO
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mythila wrote: |
I preferred Vijay to Raj although the later showed extensively , the TIO release function.
Vijay version had some TF folks like Nasser, Parthiban, Vivek interviewing IR.
Nasser recapitulated to IR about how he was
called for Avatharam music disc at 5am and he was made to sit like an idiot before IR for 45 min when IR uttered not a word to Nasser and instead started writing something on sheet after sheets , much to Nasser's annoyance. When Nasser recounted this part to IR in the interview, he was truly taken aback and with a disarming smile accepted that he didnot remember this incident.But Nasser continued to narrate it , saying he was thinking IR was probably writing some letter or working on some other movie. After 45 min, itseems IR called Puru and asked him to take copies and give it to the musicians. Nasser then mustered enough courage and told IR that he had come regarding Avatharam music and Raja shocked Nasser by saying he had just completed writing the score for avatharam and the job was over. Now IR was able to recollect the incident.
Parthiban honestly admitted to IR that he first heard TIO in his car
and didn't think much about it .His subsequent hearings in his studio when he was alone made him numb and all he could feel was dried up tear drops. when parthibn started confessing he was not an "aanmigavaadhi", IR interjected nd told him everybody has athma and the diff lies only between the one who has realized it and one who has not yet.
Vivek asked IR about some "OLi" in his eyes[when did he switch over from comedy to opthalmalogy?) which IR rightfully dismissed it as some kind of hallucination and added he was aware of the follies inside him.[appaada oru vazhiyaa othundare!!!]
In Raj, bHAVA WAS SHOWN SINGING "JANANI Janani" . I pity the audience. IR has taken nepotism to new heights.Itseems IR had flushed off TIO from his system once the mixing was finished at newyork and started focussing on other works.
Believable, since I see no trace of TIO in MExp.
IR told Kamal was the first outsider to have listened to TIO |
mythila,
thanks for the info....any idea if there's a re-run of either of the progs????? i missed 'em both....
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http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/16082005-4.shtml
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Chidambarathil Oru Appasamy review
http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/2005/08/thoughts-on-chidhambarathil-oru.html
Smile
Sureshkumar
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Suresh
Thanks for the review. I was thinking that the songs are going to be situational and nothing great. To me Azhagi was the only good album. Sollamaranthakathai is okay only and I think COA will follow the same. Thankarbathcan got lucky with Azhagi subject, so that must have impressed IR to do some good work, but otherwise, IR wouldnt waste his energy for TB.
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njv,
you had mentioned that there's an 'interesting' project on cards for Raja...Any news on that front ?
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not yet... I myself is damn dying for the confirmation.
BTW folks I think that IR should be VERY selective in accepting the film offers. Vijayr and other people mentioned this long time back and I was against the idea but after looking at the work he has done for Fazil vs TB, I think IR is better of doing less and good, than more and bad. Just my wish!
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Fazil is over-the-hill and I am beginning to suspect after listening to ONOK that IR's past hits for him was probably due to IR's own initiative than any inspiration from Fazil.
Iam not looking forward to any more TFM albums from IR. I think he is done. If, out of the blue, he comes up with a stunner once in a while, I'll probably listen, but as whole soundtracks he is not going to surprise us anymore is my gut feeling, considering the projects he has in hand(njv, are you going to surprise me here?). All this 9 tunes in 45 minutes means its going to be medicore. I still have some hope left for MFM though.
Thankar Bachan's programme on Jaya TV regarding COA- he mentioned that although Thendral songs were good they werent hits, since people expected IR's name against his and so he went back to IR for COA. From Suresh's review it looks like IR wasnt enthused very much by Thankar's rationale
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vijayr wrote: |
considering the projects he has in hand(njv, are you going to surprise me here |
Yeah, it will be a surprise if it happens, but again songs will be just another from IR and nothing great. If IR works with BR or Mani or KB or Shankar, we can expect something new, but otherwise, even if IR score for Rajni (mmm... I didnt leak anything yet right), it would be another "devuda devuda"
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What is BR upto these days? I see him in every audio launch function. Is he into total retirement?
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IR-Rajni - Hmm... their last album together Veera, I consider it the most wholesome Rajni album of the last decade, covering all centers and catering to all segments of Rajni fans. 10 or 11 songs in total including one unreleased devotional song by Arunmozhi. Even "Munnam seidha dhavam" was originally composed for Veera. If IR manages 70% of that output, the album would be worth hearing.
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BR has been retired I guess. He is probably busy running the newly launched Tamilthirai channel.
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vijayr,
I too tend to think your way...I was slowly losing interest in his TFM albums...in mallu, you never know...he might give another guru or yathramozhi - one song...just one more song like pon veyililE would do for me!
We shudn't attach much importance to those "45 minutes" nonsense either...Everyone says chinnathambi is great (the same 45 minutes funda)...but I didn't like it. i would rather have an avathAram than those mediocre stuff like CT.. He should think about works which would be talked about even after 45 yrs and not worry about composing stuff in 20-30 minutes...who cares ?...He should carefully choose his movies (Rajnikant did this - once he knew he was past his prime, he chose to do one movie every 2-3 yrs..thereby increasing the expectations....Like with Rajnikant, it would work with Raja too bcos he is capable of delivering a blockbuster at will)...and I don't believe he's churning out albums for money.
He should focus more on satisfying himself (musically) rather than keeping those jalras happy.
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If IR works with BR or Mani or KB or Shankar
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Mani and BR are past their prime (we all saw it in Yuva and kangaLAl kaidhu sei)..Shankar's taste and Raja wouldn't go well...ARR (to some extent ysr - if hj can score for shankar, why not ysr ?) is the best bet for shankar.
so, there's no point in Raja waiting for these directors...Bala, cheran , ka ru pazhaniappan or selvaraghavan can get some really inspiring script for Raja to work.
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can anyone pls gimme the link to download the song 'NIRPADHUVEE NADAPADHUVEE' compsed by ilayaraja and sung by harish ragavendra in the movie bharathi.i searched a lot for this song in coolgoose.com but in vain..i saw this song in coolgoose.com some months before and now when i tried to download it is no more found.pls suggest some other site to download it
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I know from a very authentic source that Raja rejected RGV's offer to score for vAsthushastra (a poor remake of the great stanley kubrick's "the shining", I am told)...But *if* RGV were to offer him his version of Sholay, Raja should lap it up
Would RGV ever work with Raja again...I am sure Raja will rock when given a movie like satya/company/booth.
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a poor remake of the great stanley kubrick's "the shining", I am told |
It is pet cemetary plus some other movies. I donno if Pet cemetary is by Stanley kubrick. IR should work on creating musical films. SOmething like "Fiddler on the roof" would be simply great.
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njv wrote: |
I think IR is better of doing less and good, than more and bad. Just my wish! |
I disagree with your opinion. The problem Ir has nowadays is doing less films. He needs work from 5am to 10pm. He has to score atleast 20-30 films per year then only we can expect gems from him. He is simply not good when doing 4-5 films per year. Also he should get back to his manual orchestra instead of using synths.
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It is high time IR retires atleast from TFM and start concentrating on nonfilmi projects. Frankly I don't care to listen to his new film albums unless I hear good reviews and this is since 1995.
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a poor remake of the great stanley kubrick's "the shining
It is pet cemetary plus some other movies. |
...also has shades of a Korean thriller called Acacia![/quote]
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Shankar wrote: |
I know from a very authentic source that Raja rejected RGV's offer to score for vAsthushastra (a poor remake of the great stanley kubrick's "the shining", I am told)...But *if* RGV were to offer him his version of Sholay, Raja should lap it up
Would RGV ever work with Raja again...I am sure Raja will rock when given a movie like satya/company/booth. |
I recently saw RGV's sarkar and I felt the absence of IR. The BGM was pathetic. More interestingly, BGM was runnnig through out the movie. Non Stop. Only IR knows how to use silence as a good BGM. Its a great movie neverthless. I hope RGV uses IR for his Sarkar II atleast.
For those who hasnt seen it, its Nayagan + Devar Magan - Songs - Fight - IR - Kamal.
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Njv ,
perfect ..I felt the same for sarkar .....Worst BGM ihave seen in recent times ...
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njv
Same opinion on srakar, the BGM spoiled the movie (not that the movie was well taken!!). especially the govinda, govinda..... chants!!
The most I miss these days is a good commercial tamil movie (not the art type of TB) with IR's BGM.
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Vaastushastra is a soft porn movie guys. First of all it is no way related to "The Shining"..... VS is a movie where a family goes to a house that is haunted....
Thats all. I dont think even IR or the music composer of THE SHINING could have lifted the movie.... It was a crap movie and having seen so many Horror thrillers in English, it is unfathomable for me to accept RGV as a director....
I dont know if our directors can ever match the hollywood standard.
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jeera wrote: |
njv
The most I miss these days is a good commercial tamil movie (not the art type of TB) with IR's BGM. |
keep finger crossed!
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not the art type of TB
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Is TB = thankar bachAn ??? ennA art movie paNnirukkAr avar ? azhagi was a great movie, adhulayum oru item number a thiNicha oru aaL avar...Raja shudn't be scoring for his movies (likewise, arr should stop scoring for sjs)
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
Njv ,
perfect ..I felt the same for sarkar .....Worst BGM ihave seen in recent times ... |
Long time no see....????
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"But when I see my father's background piece for `Mouna Ragam' still making rounds at inter-college cultural meets and being used as ring tones, the reach surprises me," says Yuvan Shankar Raja.
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/08/19/stories/2005081900240200.htm
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njv, is this the big announcement?
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13921248&
no mention about IR though
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Yes, but no mention of IR like you said. Rajni indicated IR/YSR as his preference. Shankar's preference is HJ. So lets see.
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It could be Bharadwaj, current AsthAnam for AVM:-)
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Says Fazil: Its one of my better love stories and has shaped out well. Raja sirs music is already a hit.
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13917328
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"Rajni indicated IR/YSR as his preference. '
njv, when? Did it appear anywhere online?Personally, YSR doingthe music would be a big letdown for me. I hope its either Raja or Rahman.
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not online. i got this from this source a week before and thats why i said wait for "big" announcement, but the news is not confirmed yet.
YSR hasnt done any movie with big stars. It has to be Raja or Rahman or HJ (doing Kamal's VV) or Vidya Sagas.
I am still keeping my fingers crossed.
Also the story is not the usual anti-corruption type, so it is raising huge speculation in the industry now.
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don't think YSR will be even in the reckoning, he hasn't given mass hits like VS. It'll boil down to ARR and VS. IR is the dark horse!
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Jacky -> What do you mean by mass hits? He has given huge hits in the form of 7/G, Arindhum Ariyamalum (which was far better than Anniyan). I agree that he has not worked with the top stars. But 2004 did belong to him and by the way 2005 is going he will be a close winner also.
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I am quite certain it will not be IR ......
SHANKAR MAY NOT PREFER IR......
It will be mostly ARR (40%), HR (30%), VS (30%)
Personally I would prefer VS as his songs were great in CM. ARR is the second best choice because of Muthu and baba.
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I am quite certain it will not be IR ......
SHANKAR MAY NOT PREFER IR......
It will be mostly ARR (40%), HR (30%), VS (30%)
Personally I would prefer VS as his songs were great in CM. ARR is the second best choice because of Muthu and baba.
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Normal man,
Appadi podu, Machan peru Madurai, Devuda Devadu, Annanoda Pattu kinda songs which will cater to the front benchers in TN. Yuvan's music is too contemporary for Rajni.
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"Yuvan's music is too contemporary for Rajni."
Same was said about Rahman when he was asked to do Muthu. Oruvan oruvan mudhalaaLi still is one of the best ever Rajni intro songs. The problem with YSR's music is not that it is contemporary, it just sucks, period.
But if asked to score for Rajni he can always remix the remaining dappanguthus that his dad composed - ennoda raasi nalla raasi, velai illaadha vandha, podhuvaaga en manasu thangam, many more, so no worries there
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Shankars' movie, the obvious choice would be AR Rahman.
But Just to add some points about YSR,
VS is not consistent.CM songs were very very mediocer and his re-recording is always a pathetic one.The CM songs got popular 'cos of Rajni and nothing else.
Compared to this Yuvans' Re-recording is way ahead.If you think "kan paesum varthaigal or devathaiyai kandaen (KK) or kadhal valarthaen or the latest Theepidikka are not mass hits, no one can convince you about that.
Again,ARR would be the obvious choice for shankar.
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And whether u like it or not, YSR is the hottest MD in Tamil(you would have seen this in sify,thatstamil,indiaglitz,tamilcinema etc..) and his last five movies were hits(7G,manmadhan,Ram,Arindhum,Dass) which does matter
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Vikarams' next movie(after Maja) will have music from YSR
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13920845
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"The problem with YSR's music is not that it is contemporary, it just sucks, period."
I know but just didn't wanna start a war
"If you think "kan paesum varthaigal or devathaiyai kandaen (KK) or kadhal valarthaen or the latest Theepidikka are not mass hits, no one can convince you about that."
They are hits but will never find place in a Rajni movie.
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Personally I think even if Raja/YSR is asked to do this film, they should opt out. If this movie is an action packed one, just wait for its dismissal performance at BO.
VS: He sucks to the core nowadays. After his gillie, none of his masala songs have the same level of appealing. He asks BGM enna vilai? (Ex.. PS) Even deva might do a better job. His beats are ripped off version of IR's and comes with mediocore tunes nowadays.
It will be good to see HJ for this movie. But after Arul, HJ is not interested to do masala movies, but if Shankar asks him, he will do it.
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I'll be surprised if IR is the MD for this. I'd think its likely to be ARR....
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MrJudge wrote: |
Personally I think even if Raja/YSR is asked to do this film, they should opt out. If this movie is an action packed one, just wait for its dismissal performance at BO.
VS: He sucks to the core nowadays. After his gillie, none of his masala songs have the same level of appealing. He asks BGM enna vilai? (Ex.. PS) Even deva might do a better job. His beats are ripped off version of IR's and comes with mediocore tunes nowadays.
It will be good to see HJ for this movie. But after Arul, HJ is not interested to do masala movies, but if Shankar asks him, he will do it.
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In CM also, he used a song (raa raa) from aptha mitra comletely
and for re-recording used all old rajni BGMs
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rooky wrote: |
MrJudge wrote: | Personally I think even if Raja/YSR is asked to do this film, they should opt out. If this movie is an action packed one, just wait for its dismissal performance at BO.
VS: He sucks to the core nowadays. After his gillie, none of his masala songs have the same level of appealing. He asks BGM enna vilai? (Ex.. PS) Even deva might do a better job. His beats are ripped off version of IR's and comes with mediocore tunes nowadays.
It will be good to see HJ for this movie. But after Arul, HJ is not interested to do masala movies, but if Shankar asks him, he will do it.
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In CM also, he used a song (raa raa) from aptha mitra comletely
and for re-recording used all old rajni BGMs |
Athinthom is a an absolute 100% lift from a very old malayalam folk song, including the charanam.
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final concluding part of IR's interview
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/tamilfilmmusic45.ram
IR talks about nenjam marapadhillai, his favourite MSV song besides other things.
Replace 45 with 42-44 in the above link to listen to previous parts
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Happened to watch COA preview on sat tv. My first impression is this movie is going to be a winner. Two songs were shown, one is ok and another one is just bad.
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IR as MD for the Rajni-Shankar movie-very unlikely.
I will be very surprised if it's anyone other than ARR.
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Does anybody remember the violin background in Vaagadheeshwari raga that is played during Srividhya - Amala scenes in Karpooramullai? There is just one word - Brilliant
BTW, Vaagadheeshwari is a rare scale and we can see shades of this scale in an old PS song "vasantha kalam varumo" mded by
Ramamurthy of V-R fame. Iam dying to hear this aspect of Raja .
I don't care if he is not chosen for the over hyped Shankar-Rajini masala mix.
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malai malar says,
Raja or Rahman would be the MD.
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no doubt abt it.....better to take rahman....not that raja cannot ...but rahman will more suite shankar and rajni combination movie !!!
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Cinefan wrote: |
IR as MD for the Rajni-Shankar movie-very unlikely.
I will be very surprised if it's anyone other than ARR. |
MD other than IR as MD for the Rajni-Shankar movie-very unlikely.
I will be very surprised if it's anyone other than IR.
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Maestro IR should do this movie. !!!!!!!!
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IR can and will deliver extraordinary stuff to any such project. That is, what is exactly required and more and there's no doubt about it. He has never failed to deliver for a big project in his career.
However, chances of him doing this is almost nil. Three reasons :
1. He was once a regular for AVM movies but got dropped and alternates were vehemently tried by the production house (with some misses and some successes). And he hasn't done any work for them in more than 10 years. There must be something between them and IR...considering that AVM hasn't employed his sons for any project too, it's probably something irreconcilable...(much like the IR-VM thing, even the next gen don't work with VM).
2. ditto for IR-Rajini combo. Even though they show up as `Anmeega' friends in public, there's some strong professional tiff...Rajini won't employ IR or his sons...
3. If Shankar's ego took him to the point of not working with his once celebrated partner ARR, it would be too difficult for him to work with IR, who is of even prior gen...
While any of the top MD's may bag the AVM-Shankar-Rajini project, and most are capable of delivering the required masala dosage for this (including even Bharadwaj), it's highly improbable that it will be IR (or his sons)...
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app engine, just 2 things with yur posting. I doubt whether there is a tiff between IR and AVM, since AVM Saravanan attended YSR's wedding. Also, AVM did use one of IR's sons for their production, namely YSR for Peralagan.
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He was once a regular for AVM movies but got dropped and alternates were vehemently tried by the production house (with some misses and some successes). And he hasn't done any work for them in more than 10 years. There must be something between them and IR...considering that AVM hasn't employed his sons for any project too, it's probably something irreconcilable...(much like the IR-VM thing, even the next gen don't work with VM).
==> Didn't YSR provide music for AVM's recent Surya Starrer - "Perazhagan"?
Bala
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OK, that was my lack of knowledge...that YSR was in an AVM movie...sorry for the miss.
I take that point out:-)
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Naanga rendu perum sernthu sila badangal bannala. But, enga friendship appadiyae irukkuthu
- Rajini kanth at Thiruvasagam opening festival
Ithula ethavathu visayam irukutha?
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IR was the first MD in the early 80's to challenge the producers asking as royalty a part of the revenues of the albums sold. (prior to that, the MD's got just a fixed salary). In addition to that there were other thorny negotiations on the movies they worked together whether the albums should be sold under AVM records or Echo (which was owned by IR at that time). That was one of the major reasons for strained relations between IR and AVM.
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rooky wrote: |
malai malar says,
Raja or Rahman would be the MD. |
This is very true. What I heard is that Rajni wanted to work with raja after his meeting with IR during TIS release. Shankar definitely prefers ARR.
Good news for ARR fans are and shankar fans that Shankar will work with ARR in future movies.
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If Shankar listens to COA by chance, he will definitely opt for Rahman. I heard the songs in Raaga(I am surprised they actually bothered to release it), I couldnt manage to listen to any song beyond the first 30 seconds. I guess this is IR's way of punishing Thankar Bachan for leaving him out in the previous movie
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vijayr wrote: |
If Shankar listens to COA by chance, he will definitely opt for Rahman. I heard the songs in Raaga(I am surprised they actually bothered to release it), I couldnt manage to listen to any song beyond the first 30 seconds. I guess this is IR's way of punishing Thankar Bachan for leaving him out in the previous movie |
IR music is custom made for movies. Its a total V Sekar type family/comedy/sentiment movie. What do you expect? Boom Boom type song for this? Wait for the movie to come and judge.
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vijayr:
Anithu Vidungal is good in COA. The rest of the songs are real bad.
Someone mentioned that Rajni was interested in IR. To your point, yes Shankar can make his point by providing COA as an example.
Njv:
Whatever we IR fans may say, why produce a below average album if you are not interested? Did IR agree to provide music for hsi own Financial reasons or did he agree to please few of his friends? If so surely I have no say.
However one thing is sure, while the re-recording was going on, TB must have really felt bad for having ditched IR last time. He had to take whaterver IR gave with his mouth tied..
Having said that, I wish Raaja gets the prestigious film. He can prove disbelievers (including me) that he still can produce a successful album for a complete Masala film
Bala
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COA - Chidambrathil Oru Appasami. Maestro shows his class
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/musicreview/7675.html
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IMHO it really doesn't matter if the MD is not IR. Take Chandramukhi.... the songs would have gone unnoticed had it not been for Rajini. When I first heard the songs, it went straight into my trash bin. But after the movie got released, its one of my most listened to album. Thanks to Rajini!!
Now going to Anniyan, the album was a total crap. Shankar deserved a better album. With my ACID I can create an equally better collection. Absolutely no cohesiveness between the lyrics-raga-rhythm. Very predictable rhythm patterns & progressions. Looked as if super glue was used a lot to make things come together. If its HJ, then watch out for some irritating and stupid chorus and predictable rhythms.
The last Rajini album, which I loved every bit was Thalapathi. After that all he has got have been close to crap. He cannot lift the song value every time with his screen presence. Baba was an example of how even Rajini's screen presence could not lift the song(s) popularity.
So bottom line, if given a chance IR would do wonders (as long as he keeps Karthikraja from spoiling the song with his stupid synth arrangements).
PS: Had a chance to see songs from Jhonny last nite. Man that is THE album Rajini should wish, yearn, pray to get from any MD.
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"Had a chance to see songs from Jhonny last nite. Man that is THE album Rajini should wish, yearn, pray to get from any MD. "
Jhonny is namba Raaja's ultimate creation!! I watch only Rajini's old movies with IR's music like mullum malarum, 6-60,dharmathin thalaivan,Siva, Veera, Yejaman,dhalapathi, etc... Ilayaraaja is The GREATEST!!
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speaking of Jhonny, I thought that was the best music ever by IR, but I watched Nizhalgal and man, this one movie has all the songs released by all the MDs in TFM together. I repeatedly watched the movie just to observe BGM and many MDs including IR himself used the BGM from this movie to create songs where are outstanding. Just an outstanding composition. Anyone has BGM of this movie by any chance?
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balaji wrote: |
Whatever we IR fans may say, why produce a below average album if you are not interested? Did IR agree to provide music for hsi own Financial reasons or did he agree to please few of his friends? If so surely I have no say.
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Balaji,
I completely agree with you that IR should avoid such projects. However COA wasnt a bad album, if not great album. I mentioned last week that its a below average album from IR, but yesterday I watched the trailer and my impression on the songs were totally changed. Just wait till the movie and lets discuss again. Someone else mentioned here that the movie is gonna be a winner, and I have the same feeling.
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njv, this site has some bgms but don't have Nizhalgal. sorry!
http://www.ee.duke.edu/~vijay/BGM.html
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Doing music for a Rajni movie may be a great deal for us but I am not sure it may be the same thing from IR's perspective. IR has done music for Rajni moves from Bhuvana Oru Kelvikuri (First full song for Rajni) and Bhairavi onwards. I dont know how may Rajni movies IR would have done.
It is like at work - the new group of people may rave at someone who is at senior position or soemone they look up to - but if you had known and worked with them when they were like you and were your peer - I am not sure if you would be as eager (eager may not be the word - may be aspire or wait to be given or called on) as some of the newer kids on the block for the chance to work with or please the person in the senio position.
However, people here mentioned Johny - along with that I hope people listen to albums like Kazhugu, Gharjnai etc. to understand why we rave about IR.
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Interesting,
Equation 1 =
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The problem with YSR's music is not that it is contemporary, it just sucks, period. |
Equation 2 = Quote: |
If you think "kan paesum varthaigal or devathaiyai kandaen (KK) or kadhal valarthaen or the latest Theepidikka are not mass hits, no one can convince you about that.
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Inference: There is a hell lot of suckers in Tamilnadu, ( no pun intended despite the smilee)
Another statement : Quote: |
They are hits but will never find place in a Rajni movie. |
, there is lots of truth in it ( see below).
Some more equations
MR+Kamal+IR->Nayagan, phenomenal, a landmark movie, album, fetched the coveted National Award to Kamal
MR+Rajini+IR->Dhalapathi, a much anticipated, hyped movie, great album, definitely not a landmark movie ( the biggest rehash of MR , an extended version of "nayagan")
Shankar+Kamal+ARR-> "Indiyan" The great Anniyan Part 1, a well made movie , definitely not the gretest album by ARR but was above average, and again the third (last) national award to Kamal
Shankar+Rajini+ ? ( and I think probably ARR as many would like and think)-> "Shivaji" ( if that's still the name for this Mother of All Hype movies of Kollywood), will be much more anticipated, hyped
( and it probably deserves), will it fetch the first national award to SS ( I will be happy if it does), if BigB could win a National award for that crap Hindi movie ( forgot the movie name), I don't underestimate BigB's enormous talents but he deserved that award for much better movies done earlier by him.
About YSR,
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The problem with YSR's music is not that it is contemporary |
, very true, in the same lines, the first ARR+Rajini combo "Muthu" was also contemporary too, yet was a big hit and met the required hype despite movie being a average hit, I wonder If YSR todate ever even came close to this , despite giving hit movies one after the other in the last year or so.
His 'TappanguthU" songs ( Are these the ones called "Kuthu" songs these days) todate there is no single number despite all his remix circus to meet the "suckers" criteria akin to "Manmadha rasa", "Appadi Podu", "Devuda Devuda" or " Annanodu Pattu", and hence definitely no place in a Rajini movie, be it Shankar's or some one else for that matter.
IR + Shankar ( with or with out Rajini),
with only 9 movies of Shankar he has created such a mass Histeria in TN for catering a movie with extravagance on thin ( repeated ) story lines all along
( barring "Boys", ARR was good in that , and yes probably this movie would have been a better Shankar movie for YSR to have shown any of his proficiency) and with this pattern, it is quite known that his scripts are of different kind ( I am not admiring his scripts) and some what predictable but he he quite comfortably
( most of the times) managed by his way of presentation of the same old stuff, so a IR combination will be a no no both in reality and and in our presumptions unless Shankar makes a " Moonram Pirai" kind of script ( which is not even possible even in dreams) or a " Period movie" ( yes we must be joking) or a movie like ' Indiana Jones series ( it will be great if he does and imagine with SS that would indeed turn out to be landmark movie, again a big big ??)
I have felt many times a second time watching of Shankar's older movies makes me feel how the hell he made all these movies a super duper hits, on the otherhand, a second or third time watching of most of MR's movie makes me yearn to watch once again and feel why the hell people are not too welcoming for his movies considering BO statistics ( except his initial few movies),
Lastly, can somebody compare a shankar kind of movie in preShankar era, I mean a similar way of presentation ( a glorified Masala movie in other words), the only movie I can think of is "Agni Namshatram" which was still a far better movie IMHO compared to many Shankar movies
PS:The biggest thing I have liked with Shankar is his way of Picturisation of songs, again not the recent movies, his first 3 or 4 movie, they were indeed trend setting with out any questions)
IMHO, ARR should be the MD and he will definitely do great than HJ ( what a pathetic score for Anniyan, not that this movie deserved more than this)
Prabhudas
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vijayr wrote: |
If Shankar listens to COA by chance, he will definitely opt for Rahman. I heard the songs in Raaga(I am surprised they actually bothered to release it), I couldnt manage to listen to any song beyond the first 30 seconds. I guess this is IR's way of punishing Thankar Bachan for leaving him out in the previous movie |
shankar is intelligent enough ....he wont think IR wud give like COA to his movie....first of all COA music suits its requirement ...IR scored for a movie..he dint release a private album....and as far as COA songs are concerned....
the ayappa song, AYE ENNA and the PATHO song are just mindblowing...with good picturisation they will be a real treat....other 2 songs too are very nice but i personally felt the synth usage is done as if in hurry ....overall COA songs are very very much credible for the movie......
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Prabhudas
Digression ===>
if BigB could win a National award for that crap Hindi movie ( forgot the movie name) ==> the movie was AgneePath by Mukul Anand, an ordinary movie with good acting by Amitabh.
Did he deserve an award, yes for Sholay, Trishul (compare Sanjeev/Amitabh's activing with that of Satyaraj/Rajni in the overacted MR Bharath) and a hell a lot of movies.
Did he deserve an award for this movie -- Absolutely no! SPB deserved the award for Keladi Kanmani in 1990.
Anyways, fairness was never part of the Award system...
Bala
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njv, I dont buy all this made-for-situations and so on. An album has to impress as a standalone(for eg. Nayagan songs impressed as a separate soundtrack and also when seen with the movie)first, before it impresses you when watched along with the movie. COA, to put it mildly, is medicore. I dont care if the movie happens to be good.
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vijayr wrote: |
njv, I dont buy all this made-for-situations and so on. An album has to impress as a standalone(for eg. Nayagan songs impressed as a separate soundtrack and also when seen with the movie)first, before it impresses you when watched along with the movie. COA, to put it mildly, is medicore. I dont care if the movie happens to be good. |
Okay sir.
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Lastly, can somebody compare a shankar kind of movie in preShankar era, I mean a similar way of presentation ( a glorified Masala movie in other words) |
Yes, Selvamani was doing awesome jobs at that time. His Pulan visaranai, Captain Prabakaran, Sembaruththi (love subject) were huge hits. (the only downfall was the lengthy dialogues of vijayakanth)
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Judge, Selvamani movies were no way incomparison to Shankar. If you watch Gentleman, you feel the same anxiety which you had couple of years back when this movie was released and on the other hand if you watch Pulan Visaranai you will burst into laughing. Scenes lifted from commando and the fake looking scenes. He went out of gas after 3 movies (Simbarathi happens to be remake of Hindi movie Bobby) but Shankar is now running little out of gas after 7 movies. But who knows with the help of his assistants he will be able to come out with new presentation for Super Star movie. So Selvamani's movies are no way near to Shankar movie and you cannot call his movies preshankar kind of movies. I think there was no one in Tamil but in Hindi there was Manmohan Desai who made huge masala movies with all the ingredients.
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CAO, Sun TV trailers not promising, I am talking about IR's contribution, yet to listen to full album.
But a real let down of all the recent releases, but have to listen to the whole album anyways.
I thought when I watched "Vishwa Thulasi" first on trailers was far more impressive.
Digression
Mr.Judge,
I didn't mean huge hits, better presentation and content, Captain Prabhakaran was ok at best, other two were so so
( they might have been hits), well hits have been there always and will be there some deserving rightfully, some not worthy ( because of the Makkal like u know who...)
Shankar is not running out of Gas, Gas is becoming so expensive even Shankar can't afford
Manmohan Desai and Shankar U mean to say Shankar innum oru 7 varushathule Suicide pannipparu na like MMD
.....Give me a break..... MMD was another glorified SPM kind, and he was not just one hindi there are and were many like him. MMD just had multistarrers mostly with good MDs( which 8 out of 10 times in Hindi are hits, then, now and in future too, I meant multistarrers, I think Kollywood actors are worst with inflated egos who are just destroying the meaningful tamil Film) and that works/worked good always for main stream masalas in Hindi ( don't expect path breaking scripts, innovative ideas of picturisation, narration, except some of the newer directors)
I didn't include RGV ( Shiva, Kshana Kshanam etc..)as his debut was in Telugu, RGV probably a comparable director and probably better in some ways than Shankar too
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I wanted IR to be the MD just to see what he can do with a canvas as wide as it would usually be in Shankar movies. Shankar wouldnt hesitate to spend on Hungary (or wherever) recordings and probably IR would get a chance to do something special. Creativity need not be shown only in serious,sober films like Moondram Pirai. I often wonder as to how creative an IR score would have been for the Chandralekha song in Thiruda Thiruda. It would have been no less magnificent if he had done it.
Same Cheran/ThankarBachan azhumoonji movies will yield the wish that IR stops working in this low-budget village movies, which dont succeed in extracting anything much out of him.
Some of Rahman's best creative efforts have come for Shankar's movies and the reason is not hard to see. IR has never had a chance to work with someone of Shankar's vision/grandeur -so chances are that the music would be something special which we have never heard of. Only a Kamal could extract Jazz out of IR, after IR had been in the industry for 30 years. Likewise a Shankar can extract something unique even after 800+ albums. We'll never know. The only problem here is the Rajni factor, which means a mandatory intro song, a dappanguthu and so on. If its more of a Shankar movie, or if IR and Shankar work in the future on a non-Rajni project, I believe the results will be..shall I say different at the very least, even if it isnt extraordinarily great.
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"Same Cheran/ThankarBachan azhumoonji movies will yield the wish that IR stops working in this low-budget village movies, which dont succeed in extracting anything much out of him. "
missing a few words above which I deleted by mistake.should read as
"same Cheran/Thankarbachan azhumoonji movies would yield the same azhumoonji songs. I strongly wish that IR stops working in this low-budget village movies, which dont succeed in extracting anything much out of him
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Vijay
I agree very much with ur statement, and with IR as u said " We will never know". It's just that Shankar's script is nothing extraordinary, it's the "Package" as Kodambakkam calls where he tries to make s difference, that's why I wanted to know if there were movies close to his style in PreShankar period and if IR did have a chance to score music for similar "Package",
Also since his scripts are not very diverse, that was my impression, heavily repitative if not inspired.
Shankar is perhaps capable of making movies of the genre like the "Indiana Jones" etc and yes IR combination would be terrific, the same usual Mr.Good Citizen kinds have been done by IR.
I also always wanted IR do a "Kaakka Kaakka" (which in my opinion was way superior in presentation than most of Shankar movies) kind racy action oriented movie
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vijayr wrote: |
I wanted IR to be the MD just to see what he can do with a canvas as wide as it would usually be in Shankar movies. Shankar wouldnt hesitate to spend on Hungary (or wherever) recordings and probably IR would get a chance to do something special. Creativity need not be shown only in serious,sober films like Moondram Pirai. I often wonder as to how creative an IR score would have been for the Chandralekha song in Thiruda Thiruda. It would have been no less magnificent if he had done it.
Same Cheran/ThankarBachan azhumoonji movies will yield the wish that IR stops working in this low-budget village movies, which dont succeed in extracting anything much out of him.
Some of Rahman's best creative efforts have come for Shankar's movies and the reason is not hard to see. IR has never had a chance to work with someone of Shankar's vision/grandeur -so chances are that the music would be something special which we have never heard of. Only a Kamal could extract Jazz out of IR, after IR had been in the industry for 30 years. Likewise a Shankar can extract something unique even after 800+ albums. We'll never know. The only problem here is the Rajni factor, which means a mandatory intro song, a dappanguthu and so on. If its more of a Shankar movie, or if IR and Shankar work in the future on a non-Rajni project, I believe the results will be..shall I say different at the very least, even if it isnt extraordinarily great. |
10000% agree.
BTW I saw Nizhalgal yesterday and in once scene BGM sounded more like the BGM from MX crane scene. Also I found few Jazz in Nizhalgal. A very nice album. I would love if someone can start a seperate thread for Nizhalgal and discuss the creativity in it.
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Re: Shankar. This guy's movies are a bunch of music videos stitched together with inane dialogues and wafer thin storylines. I just couldn't watch Jeans even for a few minutes (inspite of that good looking actress ). This guy is surely talented, because he picturize the songs well and even can write some funny lyrics (like pEttai rap, which I like ). I think he gets a lots of support from ARR. As soon as he mentions 'modern' ARR will be happy like a kid in a candy store and come up with those trendy songs.
I suspect, as a director, he will not get enough respect from IR. IR can do suspense, thriller, comedy, folk, classical etc. I dont think just 'flash and glamor' is his cup of tea. So IR-Shankar combination is not something that is going to work.
I also disagree, that IR should not do village songs anymore. Mudhal Mariyadhai, had very simple orchestration with a bass guitar and it was wonderful. Similarly music for all bhArathirAja movies (mostly village-based) were very good. Even virumandi, had a rustic feel and the music was good. In a village song 50% is the lyrics (because you cannot do much orchestration) and here vairamuthu did a very good job in the past with IR. Now, the current lyricists for IR are not cutting it.
And I dont understand why some of you guys dont like chEran, thangar bachan et, al. We need directors like this too. We dont want to alienate much of our population in B, C centres with half-clad pale-skinned women, speaking lip-synched tamil. Maybe, you guys are all too trendy types , either I am old-fashioned or must be getting old
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Kiru says, " I also disagree, that IR should not do village songs anymore. Mudhal Mariyadhai, had very simple orchestration with a bass guitar and it was wonderful. Similarly music for all bhArathirAja movies (mostly village-based) were very good. Even virumandi, had a rustic feel and the music was good"
Kiru, I agree with you!! Think of Mudhal Mariyaadhai, Mann vasanai, etc.. with out our Ilayaraaja! yennaley imagine pannamudiyalai!!
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Sucks big time....as stated earlier by somebody....this is defy IRs response for TBs immature acts....
Instead of giving a crap like this, IR could have said a big NO to TB....
Even HCIRFs will stay away from COA....also, certain songs imagining TB dancing to these tunes...will give nightmares to even the most STRONG-WILLED persons.
Lets hope KASTHOORI MAAN turns out to be another KAASI type album with lot of melodies.
Rags
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Cheran and Thankar Bachan might be good directors(Cheran is better than Thankar IMO). No one is talking about their films. We are talking about the music in their films. Solla marandha kadhai had average music. It was no Mudhal mariyaadhai. Same with Kaasi. If IR is going to work on village movies he needs to work with BR or another budding BR. Because these guys(Cheran, Thankar, others) arent extracting good music out of him. And village movies in general, ofer less scope for orchestration.And lyrics is of course another sore point now with the current crop of lyricists.. COA is just another instance, along with the earlier karagaatakaari. Other wise I am not saying that Cheran or Thankar shouldnt make movies at all. I liked Autograph and thought IR would have done a much better job atleast in the BGM dept. as compared to Bharadwaj.
And secondly there is nothing wrong in scoring for trendy movies. IR was at his creative best in movies like Tik Tik Tik, Agni Natchathiram, Johny etc.which were all trendy for their times. IR would be happy seeing his songs being given justice in terms of picturization by Shankar. Usually that isnt the case. The small problem is that he(or his style) might be a little too old to match the trendiness levels expected by Shankar.But who knows..one might see IR re-inventing himself like he did for Manirathnam in the late 80s. Shankar will certainly get a lot of respect from IR because of who he is, the effort/dedication he puts into details, his discipline and the big budget that is involved.
At the very least he will get a lot more respect than the guys who made movies like Manasellam, en mana vaanil, Konji pesalam etc.
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Prabhudas, since we are talking about Shankar and not Mani Ratnam kind of director. MMD is not an exaggerated director at all. He knows what u call "Packaging" an entertainment with all ingredients. He also made movies like Chacha Bhatija which did not have many stars and it was perfect packaging I should say. So MMD is no way inferior to Shankar way of movie making. Actually I should say MMD was father for Grandeur movies which Shankar is currently famous for.
I dont know what IR would do for Shankar since he has been really unsuccessful with huge projects. Take his Hey Ram, it had good BGM but the songs are not commercial sucess and in Hindi it was super duper flop, Mumbai Xpress which was big time flop songs in both Hindi/Tamil, Virumandi had average songs and not that super hit which I think essential for Shankar-SS movie. So IR is not fit for big bugdet movies at this point of his career. well he can fit into composing BGM like he did in Lajja but not composing songs for a Shankar type of movies.
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kiru wrote: |
I suspect, as a director, he will not get enough respect from IR. IR can do suspense, thriller, comedy, folk, classical etc. I dont think just 'flash and glamor' is his cup of tea. |
Vikram
Agni Natchathram
Anjali
Idhayathai Thirudathe
Kalaignan
Meera
Mumbai Xpress
Priya
Punnagai Mannan
Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal
Sakalakala Vallavan
Singaravelan
thalapathi
Tic Tic Tic
I didnt include Jhonny and Nizhalgal because its beyond what TFM can take.
If Shankar opted ARR for his first movie, there is no way he can opt IR for any future movies. It would be only Rajni factor if this combo happens.
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What happened to Pratap Pothen?
He did a couple of movies as director with IR and one that I could remember is vetRi vizha which had trendy, contemporary, awesome songs...
I always had a doubt that he played some role in selecting the musical score for some (if not all) of the movies where he acted too...the songs by IR were quite trendy / different from his scores of the time period applicable & classy (nenjathaikkiLLAdhE, moodupani, eeravizhikkAviyangaL, panneer pushpangaL etc.)
I wish he directs a film with IR as MD...I'm yet to see any racy number (with terrific orchesration) to beat `mArugO, mArugO' or `thaththOm thadAngu thaththOm'...
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I also have a feeling that Prathap can play guitar...it looks so natural when you see him play guitar in movies (he did it often)...It could be one reason why the songs in those films he was associated with IR had terrific guitar work...
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Athma was another movie by Prathap I think, probably his last with IR. It had good songs.
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IR can do good music for flash and glamour movies. It all depends on who is involved and who he is working with. If it is Kamal, IR will give his best even if it is a soft porn flick The theme doesnt matter, the director/actor/banner or a combo of these three matters.
alias, IR hasnt worked in a genuine big-budget commercial movie in the last few years. Thats one of the reasons why I wanted to see IR-Shankar combo. You cannot write him off for big-budget movies. Mumbai Express was'nt one. It was made on a medium budget and Kamal messed up the audio release.IR's songs for Kamal have been highly situational in the last few years anyways, starting from Hey Ram. Same is the case with Rahman and Mani. Kannaththil muthamittal's audio wasnt a big hit.And the songs were placed in the background mostly.
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he has been really unsuccessful with huge projects. Take his Hey Ram, it had good BGM but the songs are not commercial sucess and in Hindi it was super duper flop, Mumbai Xpress which was big time flop songs in both Hindi/Tamil, Virumandi had average songs and not that super hit which I think essential for Shankar-SS movie. So IR is not fit for big bugdet movies at this point of his career. well he can fit into composing BGM like he did in Lajja but not composing songs for a Shankar type of movies. |
excuse me boss.......hey ram songs are very good ......that too composed in a hurry ..they are all situational songs....and gelled well with movie.....everytime raaja is doing his job well...its kamal who is unable to use the music correctly ....be it hey ram /virumaandi/MX.....all got superb music but kamal spoiled it ....now a days he is unable to use it correctly thereby making movie and also music a big flop due to his wrong decisions....
IF A SHOW PIECE IS PUT IN WRONG CORNER OF ROOM , IT SPOILS THE BEAUTY OF ROOM AS WELL AS OF ITSELF...WHY DO U BLAME THE SHOWPIECE....BLAME THE PERSON WHO HAS DINT USE IT CORRECTLY..........
Look at hey ram and virumaandi....so big and stress ful climax...for audience its too heavy ...if second half is good then even if first half is bad , ppl will forget it and make the movie hit.....and the other way though first half is oscar award winning level and second half and climax bad,THEN thats all movie is gone for good.........
and talking abt MX ....again the main song though so nice kamal put vulgarity in its picturisation and censors cut it.....gone ...remaining songs are used as bits bits ..as if for the name sake....and the whole movie is so slow , how can he expect ppl in theatres to like it ....so songs too wasted.......maybe at home in CD it wud be nice.....
take virumandi...kamal literally killed the songs except for onnai vida.........
Imagine if AR Rahman scored for VIRUMANDI , MX AND HEY RAM....Even then the movies wud be flop
from ANNAKILI to ADHU ORU KANAA KAALAM ...raaja always is doing his job well...its the ppl using his music are fluctuating and spoiling his music's reach to public.......
But i agree to u r point that for SHANKAR , IR wont suite...his TYPE and IR TYPE are different...maybe SHANKAR should change his TYPE like kadhir for IDHAYAM...and let raaja dominate...then it wud be ok ...but that wont happen.......
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alias,
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Take his Hey Ram, it had good BGM but the songs are not commercial sucess and in Hindi it was super duper flop
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Read this before you make any comment on Hey Ram...I'm not saying the reviewer (Subhash k Jha) is 'the' authority in musical reviews...Have never read such a review like this from him, for a long time now.
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This is not music. It is history. It is a showcase of what true genius can achieve when it sets its heart on a goal. When violin maestro L Subramaniam walked out of Hey Ram, director Kamal Haasan invited his old friend Ilayaraja to compose songs that had already been filmed. In other words, the maverick musician had to create new tunes that occupied exactly the same space and playing time as the scrapped songs!
The way Hey Ram got ignored was extremely tragic. It speaks a lot about the ignorance that is fashionable among a section of self-styled critics in Mumbai that Ilayarajas brilliantly atmospheric music score, capturing all the tensions, tumult, passion, fury and tragedy of those violent times when the country got splintered in two, was written off as uninspired and dull.
Let us state once and for all that it is impossible for any composer in Mumbai to achieve what Ilayaraja has done in Janmon ki jwala thi tan mein. Man, what a melody! And what heights Asha Bhosle achieves as she goes at Sameers uncharacteristically articulate poetry! Hariharan gives Asha ample support. But this is primarily her song. And the composition is to die for. Note this Janmon ki jwala is one of the finest love ballads in the last five years. Ilayaraja hasnt composed words, he has composed feelings in this unsurpassable and sweet ballad.
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He's talking about some "self-styled critics....written it off as uninspired and dull"
and if commercial success is what you go by you shud've thrown out Bose and WOHE CDs long back...have you done that ? I still love those albums, despite being a FLOP written with a BIG F.
who knows about WOHE other than those in arr yahoo groups, and some serious music lovers (i bought it the day it was released, and i think its one of the better albums by arr)
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Ilayaraja is like god....directors shud not force him to give what they want...they should just take what IR gives......... as prasadam ............
especially after Thiruvaasakam he is neither music director, nor music composer nor isaignani... ...he became god....music directors are ar rahman , haris jeyraj etc....composers are john williams , jerry goldsmith etc....and one and only one god ...ilayaraja .
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stop these redicouous comparings man!!!! no human can be compared to god..he is greater than all humans.
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stop these stupid comparings man!!!! no human can be compared to god..he is greater than all humans.
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Oru Naal Oru Kanavu - Another Kadhaluku Mariyadhai ?
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/review.php?id=13924857&ctid=5&cid=2429
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Yes, please do not compare God with any human being. There may be many IR in past and future. So dont place him in God position for Godsake.
And coming to Hey Ram, yes I do agree that the Asha Bhonsle song was a sweet ballad and the review, but the album was commercially flop and Shankar cannot afford that. It could not make it Top 10 at all. Same thing happen with Nayak except Shakala Baby and Kuruku chiritavale other songs did not go well. This time keeping in mind the budget of the movie, I think Music is very essential for Shivaji for a good opening at least in North. And as I said I want Shankar to work with genius like IR but would like him to restrict just like what Raj Kumar Santoshi did, probably compose the theme songs and BGM, leave the rest to another MD.
And one thign everyone need to understand, if this movie was just made in Tamil and Telugu, I can think the audience would defintely accept IR music (if he comes up with a granduer music) but since this is also made in Hindi, the track of IR is very very poor in North.
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alias wrote: |
the track of IR is very very poor in North. |
Taste of North is wrong. Not the track.If someone can dispute Sadma / Hey Ram / MX then they are insane. Samething happening here. People prefer NOICE over Music.
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njv. I meant track record buddy not track
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the track of IR is very very poor in North |
I pity them!!
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And as I said I want Shankar to work with genius like IR but would like him to restrict just like what Raj Kumar Santoshi did, |
IR might not even blink an eye to say NO, even if "Mr. Great" Shankar prostrates before him.
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Athma was another movie by Prathap I think, probably his last with IR. It had good songs. |
i think yaathra mozhi (malayalam) is by prathap too...
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Hey emjay, I think those times are gone for IR. Yes probably he cannot perform the same amount of work and need rest too.
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alias wrote: |
Hey emjay, I think those times are gone for IR. Yes probably he cannot perform the same amount of work and need rest too. |
This man is never gonna take rest. I just saw "Putham Puthusu" in SunTV and the first 4 movies are
oru naal oru kanavu
adhu oru kana kaalam
kasthurimaan
chidambarathil oru appusamy
COA nalla vaazhu song is very beautiful. Kasthurimaan seems to be little young and fresh. BGM for AOKK is great. A scene similar to Pithamagan when people smugle "ganja", a totally different music, still get the same feeling. Hmmm...
IR will do atleast 25% of all TFM going forward.
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I just don't want him to do that ! Let him do just 1 nizhalgaL, Guru, hey ram every year...that will do...who wants the numbers anymore.
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I know, but thats his mode of operating. He himself mentioned in many interviews that music just flows, he never think about it. My hope is out of 25%, even if he give 1% gem, that would be more than what others can do. Like Nizhalgal, yes if he make one movie like that, then he can be on top for ever!.
BTW I was in KJ Yesudas concert last week and I need to mention about the greatness of KJY seperately, but on the program he sang very few filmi song, and most of them from that too is carnatic or semi classical based.
He mentioned that IR is an out of world composition and the song "Poove Sempoove" is an out of world composition. He also told that he loved working with IR. IR ususally engages in debate and discussion with people who knows music and KJY happens to be one of the person IR freely discuss about music. Indha situationukku indha raagam nalla irukkuma, idha ippadi seiyalaama etc. After that he sang the song and that was another experience.
Concert started at 6 PM and finished at 1 AM. No body bothered about the time until KJY finshes the concert.
Chicago folks, dont miss it. I believe he has the same concert this week-end.!!!!
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Njv:
Was the concert you are talking about happened in NJ? I did hear in radio but missed it totally? Good for you!
If you are in NE, where do we get latest Tamil cds?
Bala
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Yes, the one in NJ. Its hard to find Tamil CDs these days. I buy from dvdunlimitedonline.com [retail store in oak tree road]. they bring in atleast all good songs.
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njv, Has kasturiman released? I thought they just started recording the songs. Did IR pick up his old songs and made it look like new Just kidding... How are the songs?
By the way njv and Balaji, check out a audiostore opposite to Mahatma Gandhi complex in Oak tree road. I forgot the name but it is before Patel Brothers. They have good new collection and they are real cheap.
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alias wrote: |
njv, Has kasturiman released? I thought they just started recording the songs. Did IR pick up his old songs and made it look like new Just kidding... How are the songs?
By the way njv and Balaji, check out a audiostore opposite to Mahatma Gandhi complex in Oak tree road. I forgot the name but it is before Patel Brothers. They have good new collection and they are real cheap. |
You mean for Tamil CDs? In oak tree only dvdunlimited, raaga and movie time sell tamil cds.
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Thanks alias and njv
Bala
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Even I had thought that njv, but then I went to buy Boys CD in Raaga and they did not have good combo. So I went to Patel Bro (opp to MG complex) and brought them. Went to this new store (opp to MG Complex) and saw they had excellent combination for Boys and they are really cheap. Original ayganaran cds for 5-8$. I asked them how they sell for that cheap and their answer was they make profit by selling for 5-8$. i Went back to Patel bro to return it but they would not accept it back. Just check once, but they have a majority Hindi CDs. Raaga is very expensive.
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Raaga is 12 and up
Movie time is 11 and up
DVD Unlimited is 5-8.
No body accept returns once you open the CD.
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njv
Which complex is DVDunlimited in Oak tree road?
Bala
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Another forgotten movie by Prathap his directorial debut, ' Meendum Oru Kaadhal kadhai" nice songs, decent picturisation, and some great BGM
Prabhudas
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balaji wrote: |
njv
Which complex is DVDunlimited in Oak tree road?
Bala |
apna bazae / hot breads / pnchavatti
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Guys
Did u hear the KasturaiMan trailer ...Does it sound like raaja ?
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Heard it. Just BGM and no songs. BGM is different. Lets see.
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Watched ONOK, another below average stuff from fazil.....But the song katrinil varum geethame starts off so beautifully in the movie. Somebody was criticizing the album (I don't find the album good either except kattrinil), for them my message is "intha padathukku intha paadalgale athikam"
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13927350
ONOK bombs,Fazil's fourth successive flop(Kannukkul Nilavu,A Malayalam film which launched his son as hero,Vismayathumbathu with Mohal Lal&now ONOK).
Looks like he is also going the BR,Balachander way-a director whose body of work is excellent but is now sadly a shadow of his self.
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I suspected this...Fazil who always lets his movies talk, did otherwise for this movie on 15'th Aug...He said this would work wonders for srikanth's career, and it would fetch an award for sonia agarwal etc...I was praying my fav dir shouldn't be another Balachander...and looks like he's becoming one.
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Shankar,
The point is not just ONOK failing,it's the way it's been scripted.I saw Sun TV's 'Thirai Vimarsanam'on Fri(agree you can't judge a movie after seeing just a few scenes)&was disappointed.Sonia looks older to Srikanth&cannot be called a great actress(wonder why reviewers go ga-ga over her).Srikanth is earnest,nothing more nothing less&dialogues were pedestrian.I get irritated when a hero/heroine mouth dialogues like"Na unna kadhalikka vekkeren","kathal na enna theriyuma" etc etc.It also has a major KM hangover but lacking that sensitivity.At the end of the programme I felt it's a bad film&the reviews in the TOI&IE yesterday only confirmed it.
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Shankar,
I felt it's a bad film&the reviews in the TOI&IE yesterday only confirmed it. |
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thAzhmayudan oru vEndugoL
Please DO NOT watch oru nAL oru Nightmare......
Ignore this warning at your own risk.
Easily the worst movie in recent times with equally appalling performances from the lead pair.
Asking IR to score music for this film is a serious insult.
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Cinefan wrote: | Shankar,
I felt it's a bad film&the reviews in the TOI&IE yesterday only confirmed it. |
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thAzhmayudan oru vEndugoL
Please DO NOT watch oru nAL oru Nightmare......
Ignore this warning at your own risk.
Easily the worst movie in recent times with equally appalling performances from the lead pair.
Asking IR to score music for this film is a serious insult. |
Hmm... the reviews I heard and the reviews online had a very good to good verdict. People complained about Srikanth's overacting little bit, but everyone said the movie is a definite watch. If you saw the movie, then I will take your review, but if you go by SIFY review, then I wont, because SIFY will give good review only when you pay them!
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http://newstodaynet.com/arts/2608fl1.htm
There's an appreciative review...
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internettil eppadiyellAm `joke' adikkiRarkaL enbatharkku oru u-m:
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEE20050826022236&Page=E&Title=Startrek&Topic=0
So, don't take positive or negative reviews on the net seriously...
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njv wrote: |
If you saw the movie, then I will take your review, but if you go by SIFY review, then I wont, because SIFY will give good review only when you pay them! |
ONOK is one of the worst ones that came out in recent times. I thought Fazil was still doing good in Malayalam and wondering why the heck he did a direct tamil film. But seems like his last two films failed miserably there too. So no wonder he came to tf straight.
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I am really disappointed with ONOK. Fazil has wasted IR. Now just follow those Top 10s. Even if the songs are good they wont make it to Top 10 unless the movie is hit. This is what Sun TV Top 10 is all about.
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Here is Suresh's review
http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/2005/08/oru-naal-oru-kanavu-movie-review.html
Suresh is the best reviewer of movies/music and if he suggest that "dont waste time and money", then I wont
I will watch it thogh for IR songs and the song that we missed in CD. Suresh, do you know hte starting line of the title songs?
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aa,
have you got your TbI dvd ?
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another one...says it is good
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/REVIEW/2005/orunaal.asp
which one to take ?
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Shankar wrote: |
aa,
have you got your TbI dvd ? |
Not yet... got transferred from Bangalore to Chennai recently and haven't updated the mandra thalaivar about this... will get it this week hopefully...
Will let you know shortly where you can get it in Bangalore...
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Rooky,njv and other potential ONOK watchers,
If anyone of you watch the movie and says its good, i'll change my name to Paravai Muniyamma
http://soonapaana.blogspot.com/2005/08/oru-nal-oru-nightmare.html
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aa,
Did you guys finally meet ? How did it go ? Who all attended the meet ? i wud think cinefan, yourself, jaiganes and anyone else ??
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Shankar wrote: |
aa,
Did you guys finally meet ? How did it go ? Who all attended the meet ? i wud think cinefan, yourself, jaiganes and anyone else ?? |
The meet got put off because of poor turnout....
Hopefully, we would have another meeting to watch Thalaivar's "Rama Shyama Bama" in Bangalore...
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AA !Is Rama Shyama bhaama released ?
I didn't see any posters.
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jaiganes wrote: |
AA !Is Rama Shyama bhaama released ?
I didn't see any posters. |
Not released yet but i think it will be released next month
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I think there is a hidden agenda with some clowns making very harsh reviews for ONOK, perhaps in the hope that IR's music and his movies should fail???!!!!
India Glitz
"Expressing his happiness at the good run of his recent release, Oru Naal Oru Kanavu, Srikanth says, 'Fazil has proved his class churning out this romantic entertainer well.Due credit should also be given to Sonia Agarwal."
MusicIndiaOnline's Review starts like this:
"Good time is around. Director Fazil has made it again. Oru Naal Oru Kanavu is not just a feel-good love story but also a film with a theme. The film looks realistic and straightforward. Its good that he tries to divert the attention of the audience from action, thriller movies and films filled with item numbers. His honest display, Ilayarajas melodious tunes and great performance from the actors are the plus points of the film"
Son really is there some anti IR goons at work here????
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ezy, you sound paranoid. Few bloggers who regularly write reviews have also rated the movie badly. But they have generally written postive things about the music. I said it last week, Fazil has been over the hill for a long time. He joins BR, BM etc. in the list of directors who had their glory days(along with IR) in the 80s. Time to move on. I heard that his recent mallu films didnt do all that well too. I hope IR gets to work with some fresh minds in his future films.
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Saw the movie finally. Excellent movie. Now what AA....
Hey dont change your name, I am only kidding. I saw the review from Suresh and now I have no second opinion about this movie. Alteast the review says its the best "comedy" tehy ahve seen in recent days, so I wil watch it anyway.
BTW last week I watch Annai Oor Aalayam and something interesting happened. I asked my wife (non-IR fan!) to close her eyes and just listen to the BGM. Suddenly I asked her, what might be happening and she said, some one is trying to catch something, yes, indeed they were trying to catch cheetah.
I told her its time for her to be IR fan and she said, she dont listen to BGM while driving! True! Nevertheless, I started watching all old junk movies to see if IR has done something wonderful. Life goes on...
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njv
Chasing a cheetah is not a good instance to show IR's creativity in BGMs.....
After all, u will keep hearing the roar of cheetah.
IR's speaciality is bringing life to emotional scenes - before u realise, u will have tears and joy due to IR's incredible music.....
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IR's interview in "sandhippoma" program by Sahul Hameed was telecast in SUN TV this evening between 6.12 to to 6.40 pm, as usual the Sun TV sodappified the time slot and there was no indication of whatsoever about it, I managed to record but for 1 minute in between the program.
It was exclusively more on "TIO" the concept, original thoughts etc.
It was not a "nerukku Ner" interview by Sahul Hameed who usually does a great job, it was more of questions by SH and answers by IR ( from his house) with some details with clippings of Budapest recording. It was good in total.
His last question was about IR's opinion about his fans, well I will try to extract the audio and post it in few days
Prabhudas
Njv,
BTW I have the BGM clips of AOA, super stuff, especially title music, I can share if u need
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prabhudas
you are my god now. please let me know how I can download the BGM.
Luv u man!
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Shankar,
The meet didn't happen not just becos of poor turn out but also because of lack of access to the hub.I for one coulnd't get thro' till Friday(25th)&according to RR,a lot of hubbers from India faced this problem.
next time around hopefully,a lot more will turn up.
IllenNa,only I&AA will meet up for Rama,Shama..........
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Guys, did anyone see the AOK trailer. It looks very promising and even the trailer music is awesome!
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cinefan,
keep me posted...I will try to meet you guys...Will possibly get madhan as well.
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Sure Shankar.
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Watched Vaali felicitation function aired by Raj TV on Sunday Aug 28th. Iam just sharing with you the IR relevant part alone. RajTV gave a good 3.5 hours coverage . It was a well attended function , stalwarts like IR. Manorama , MSV, Parthiban, BM,BR, AVM Saravanan, Nagesh, Kamal , Shankar, SJSurya making it.
When IR arrived, I guess that was a little late, there sure was a big
commotion with many front row dignitaries like MSV, Parthiban, BM,BR, AVM Saravanan, Nagesh, Kamal,Vaali all of them standing
from their seats to greet him. IR was accorded a seat right next to the vizha nayagar Vaali. IR embraced Vaali nd sat next to him. Next to IR was Kamal.
The camera often lingered on vAALI, IR nd Kamal during most
part of the programme. IR was all ears and he seemed to listen to what others told about Vaali with keen intent.
Kamal nd IR seemed to share a lot as they were seated next to each other. Nagesh, BR, IR, Kamal nd Vaali's talks were the highlight and deservedly they got a big applause.
BR spoke straight from his heart. He has worked with Vaali for ONLY ONE SONG "Ninaivo oru paravai" from SRojakkal!!!
BR told he was surprised to see so many faces like "kizhavan"(He jovially took a dig at IR) IR, Kamal, Parthiban, PrakashRaj for Vaali's
felicitation and that was proof for the friends Vaali had in the tinsel town. He lamented why there were no actresses , but consoled himself saying Manorama was enough as the actresses could not comprehend Vaali anyways.
BR recalled one afternoon,when he was an aspiring director and worked as Assistant Director to somebody, (I don't remember rt now) when IR was doing recording for Vaali's "Kannan oru kai kuzhandhai" song from Bhadrakali, he intercepted Vaali who came out from the recording theatre and asked him with trepidation " namma ooru paiyyan......" with a shy drawl
and continued "yeppidi ? theruvaana?" . to which Vaali replied " oru yaanai pinnaadi varudhu" and his words turned prophetic.
BR mentioned how Vaali wrote the "raaja kaiya vachha" line keeping IR in mind and "perisu sirusu sogusu" line keeping Kamal in mind much to the amusement of the crowd (I found this crass )
Well, I will continue what IR and Kamal had to say tomorrow.
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thumburu wrote: |
Well, I will continue what IR and Kamal had to say tomorrow. |
Thumburu, umakku romba kurumbu. Who wanted to know what BR said. We are dying for IR and KH talks only. Please dont make me wait.
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thumburu wrote: |
BR mentioned how Vaali wrote the "raaja kaiya vachha" line keeping IR in mind and "perisu sirusu sogusu" line keeping Kamal in mind much to the amusement of the crowd (I found this crass )
Well, I will continue what IR and Kamal had to say tomorrow. |
Actually it was Dr. Kamal Haasan who mentioned the "Raaja kayya vecha" song. KH said that vaali was talking about himself and IR in this song....
<Digression>
Even as Kamal was speaking in the function in Raj TV, KTV was showing mahAnadhi ("Sriranga.." song). Life's choices are difficult
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Yes I saw "AOK" trailer , looked good with some usual visual treat by Balu and good BGM.
Njv, check ur PM
Prabhudas
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AAndavan , u are hitting the fast forward
Raja spoke brief.
He took "sundari kannaal" song from Thalapathi as an example. If one just goes by the lyrics "sundari kannaal oru seidhi
solladi innaaL nalla thedhi", it might look weird and meaningless. But with the tune, it sounds just apt. He then sang the lines
"naan unnai neenga maatten
neenginaal thoongamaatten" .
After this , he recited the same 2 lines and told, there is nothing poetic in these 2 lines. But Vaali knew that these lines would fit the high "staayi" to the Tee. IR added , "Ingu uLLavargaL sonnadhu pol Vaali amma meedhu pala paadalgaL yezhudhi uLLar." He then turned to Kamal and told,
"yen? Kamalukku kooda "naanaaga naan illai thaaye", "ammavum neeye" ponra paadalgalai yezhudhi uLLaar". For some strange reason, he left out the obvious "amma yendrazhaikkaadha" song. IR then started rattling some high funda spiritual philosophy
( yen kuruvi mooLaikku onnum ettalai )
But the crowd seemed to be spell bound. The camera fcussed on Kamal , who had an indulgent smile, listening with rapt attention as if his child were enacting some play on the stage.
Finally IR rounded up with an equation "vaaliyai potruvadhu = kannadasanai potruvadhu = Thamizhai potruvadhu"
Then it was Kamal's turn. Kamal started like this
"naanum ilayarajavum medaiyil surukkamaaga thaan pesuvom annal sila samayangaLil "suruk" enrum pesi viduvom. Yen endraal
engaL manadhil pattadhai veLippadaiyaaga sollividuvom" - I don't
know what made Kamal say like this, even IR was visibly taken aback. Kamal clarified what BR had earlier told about the "raja kaiya vacha" song that the starting line WAS definitely for IR , but the "sirisu perusu sogusu" line was apt for Vaali as he could only
adapt himself for all types of producers big or small in an easy ("sogusu") manner. Then , "naan Raajavai 76 mudhal ariven aanaal Vaali annanai siru piLLaiyai irukkumbodhe ariven. Avar Thaadiyil thongi irukkiren" . Tom0rrow will be Vaali's instalment
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thumburu wrote: |
AAndavan , u are hitting the fast forward
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Mannikkavum, small technical defect....
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Read this week Kungumam.
It is really nice to see IR Q & A section (Question from magazine readers).
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"'Oru Naal' may not have reached the standard of Fazil's earlier films like 'Poove Poochoodava', 'Poovizhivasaliley' or 'Kadhalukku Mariyathai'. The twists and surprises are milder here, and the narration a bit slow paced. But it's a film the family wouldn't mind watching together without any sense of embarrassment."
http://www.chennaionline.com/film/Moviereviews/2005/08onok.asp
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app_engine wrote: |
"'Oru Naal' may not have reached the standard of Fazil's earlier films like 'Poove Poochoodava', 'Poovizhivasaliley' or 'Kadhalukku Mariyathai'. The twists and surprises are milder here, and the narration a bit slow paced. But it's a film the family wouldn't mind watching together without any sense of embarrassment."
http://www.chennaionline.com/film/Moviereviews/2005/08onok.asp |
I had this thought after watched the movie. The movie will appeal better to women audience, and they won't mind to see it atleast once. This review confirms it.
AV has given 30 points to it and criticized everything about it. I think it is an appropriate review.
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Vaali very generously bestowed accolades upon IR , KAMAL.
Vaali didn't initially think high of the lean, dark,
simpleton from the remote village. To him, IR was yet another
"aarva kolaaru" case who wanted to try his luck, make a quick buck
and disappear into oblivion after a few films. To test his classical
music depth, itseems Vaali used to interrogate IR on various aspects of carnatic music, thyagaraja krithis etc [Vaali, who hails
from Srirangam is well versed wth carnatic music know-how]. IR always amazed him with his profound knowledge on Carnatic music.
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hey frnds,
what abt the revival of marudhanayakam?I'am seeing many news items reg that recently.can anyone throw light on this?
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Says movie got best of the openings.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/16567.html
Todays' india times also said movie is doing well in BO
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vik_great wrote: |
hey frnds,
what abt the revival of marudhanayakam?I'am seeing many news items reg that recently.can anyone throw light on this? |
If you are talking about the Kungumam cover page, its BS. They are throwing up an idea that Kamal talked about 6 months back. If the ide a is really getting its shape, then there is a possiblity that MN will come in next few years.
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what idea is that ?
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Shankar,
Check out AA's thread 'Dr.Kamal Hasan's Maruthnayakam'in the 'Tamil films'section.The gist of 'Kumkumam's'report is posted on the last page of that thread.
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Sify says the opposite, which one to believe?
God, please help us from this torture... I want Fazil to stay out of Srikanth atleast.. I couldn't stand this guy!
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MrJudge wrote: |
Sify says the opposite, which one to believe?
God, please help us from this torture... I want Fazil to stay out of Srikanth atleast.. I couldn't stand this guy! |
In terms of collection, it is a BO hit. Since it is a movie that a whole fakily can seem, everyone is going, specially after listeing to the songs in SunTV.
Teh movie on the other hand is BS.
BO for BS.
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/09/02/stories/2005090200160200.htm
neutral review...
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Coming from a lenient reviewer like Malathi thats a clear thumbs down review. I saw a few scenes in Thiraivaanam and it was totally unimpressive. Kaatril varum geethame must be the lone saving grace.
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This is dedicated to IR fans. Visit and read.
Ilaiyaraja on Media: http://isairaja.blogspot.com/
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Gosh, its a misery not to be able to access TFMPage (main page was accessible...but not forums) for a while..something like not getting a single mail in the whole day . Yes, I (am from Banglaore) was not able to access tfmpage for the past 10-15 days (neither from office, home or cybercafe). Is it only me?? Today morning I had sent a mail to tfmpage admins. Now I am able to access this site through www.misterprivacy.com website. Dont know whats the problem with forumhum.mayyam.com website.
TFM Admins, thanks very much for the help. Now I need to catch up on what I missed.
thanks
Krishnan
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I too had problems accessing the forum...Madhan too complained about it y'day...We too,are from B'lore, btw.
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Sanjeevi, thanks. what about the first part?
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krish&Shankar,
Same problem here.It started a couple of weeks back,me too interacted with RR& currently browsing thro 'mister privacy'.Lots of Indian based hubbers have faced/facing this problem.
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I too face the same problem for the past 3 weeks ( while Dhool.com is perfect and Iam from Bangalore.
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If you watch the picturization of "enna paattu venum unakku", it looks very jaded like an 80's movie and Fazil is hopelessly out of touch with the current trend.The less said about the 2nd interlude picturization of "kajraho" song, the better
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vijayr wrote: |
Sanjeevi, thanks. what about the first part? |
If you want, I will try to post. But I have planned to post current news.
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http://216.65.197.170/kumudam/070905/pg7.php
ONOK review...(`idai vELai varai medhuvAgappOgum padam, idai vELaikku appuRam innum kooda medhuvAgappOgiRadhu') It praises Raja's work, though...
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http://isairaja.blogspot.com/
updated
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Saw OnOK ...God story ,but very poor visuals ,dialogues !!!Raaja ,the only saving grace !
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http://www.raaja.com/film_projects.html
This page mentions that songs of the following films have been recorded already.
Does anyone know more details?
- Not Titled Yet Tamil/Telugu
- Not Titled Yet Tamil/Telugu
- "Ninna Ivvela Repu" Telugu
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=208766&disdate=9/9/2005
Exclusive for Bhava's marriage...
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Kasthuriman - surprised to see IR's name in the preview. The music sounds more like a KR attempt than IR's.
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true, MR.Judge. The trailer music that is shown on the TVs is anything but IRish
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thumburu wrote: |
true, MR.Judge. The trailer music that is shown on the TVs is anything but IRish |
thumburu, yes. The preview looks promising though.
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/16736.html
Is this true ? Can someone confirm ?
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It is a great news. I think IR should turn his attention to tamil stage musicals. Who is this Manohar?
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R S Manohar is a villain actor of yesteryears. Played the typical villain in many of the MGR movies. But his real strength was in theater. He was a brilliant stage actor/director...Was a pioneer in special effects on stage.
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Shankar wrote: |
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/16736.html
Is this true ? Can someone confirm ? |
Great news for us. Seikiram arambinga thalaiva.
I think no one can match IR to remember our culture to us.
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"Great news for us. Seikiram arambinga thalaiva. "
I beg to disagree. I think IR should create one album displaying his full prowess at WCM and his musical ideas.(Adhaan, oorugai appalam illaama full meals:-)
TiS, howsoever uplifting, is, as he himself said, not a full-fledged musical from him in the sense that it is quite simple in its approach and output. (It is , per me, just oorugai, appalam plus vadai and payasam)
I personally look forward to a full-fledged symphony from him without any chorus, voice or lyrics .
I really wish he drops this Divya Prabhandam, Devaaram, Thembaavani business and gets down to a serious try to release his own symphony.
Dont get me wrong, ippo Devaaram Ketkanumna Symphony-la dhaan ketkanuma? Ada, indha level illattalum, edho oru levelukku devaaram-ai devotional album-aa paani thara MD's indiala illaiya?
Aanaal, Symohony by an Indian ketkanumna, vera yaar kitta poradhaam? Sivaji thevar magan-la sollara maadhiri, "ungalai(IR) thaane nambanum". Appadi irkkarache, adhellaam vuttuttu, ippadi bhakti ilakkiyathulka irangittarenu dhaan varuthama irukku.
(FYI, I am a theist, a Vaishnavite and have all the more reason to be happy if IR takes up Divya Prabahndham but I feel what I am missing is his symphony and getting a symphony from him is a greater cause for the sake of music - so no hate mails on my communism, atheism etc please)
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rajdes, I concur with you cent percent as symphony would be musically challenging and richer than an oratorio. But what about economics? Probably IR might just do with his local kodambakkam band for this venture or at the most use Bollywood band. Can it be the case with symphony?
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rajdes,
vaasthavamaana, nyaayamaana viruppam.
the exposure that people got on IR and the new experience that IR got (in terms of production) should make him to go for a full fledged symphony.
aana poonaikku yaar maNi katturadhu, sollunga?
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Divya prabandham by IR is OK with me as long as he chooses a completely different format to present it as compared to TIS. Using the same oratorio format would be nothing new and it wont be commercially all that viable too. TIS sold mainly because of the curiosity factor, enthusiasm of everyone involved as this was a maiden attempt and so on. Next time around I dont expect this to sell as much if its presented in the same oratorio format and especially if IR choses to sing everything himself.
But before all this,IR should consider releasing his symphony#1 before he considers doing any further works including symphonies. Right now is the best time to do something about this.
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vijay, absolutely. But, any attempt to introduce lyrics is bound to restrict the work. As Srikanth D observed once, pre-set words dont fall easily into tunes and sometimes need improvisation - that may take the output away from classical form, isnt it? That is why I wish he gives us atleast one complete orchestral work .
Symphony #1 might be a good start.
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Any light on why Symphony #1 was not released? I know there was this link which has John Scott's answer (w.r.t criticism and all) but does anyone here have info more about that?
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rajdes, pure orchestral work is definitely welcome. But one more presentation of a religious or other noteworthy ancient literature in a different format with good tunes/singers/orchestration is also certainly welcome, atleast by me. My hope is that the constraints that the pre-written text poses would be treated as a challenge by IR to come up with something creative. The only problem is as with TIS, divya prabandham would be restricted more by the fact that its religious material and would not lend itself to too much experimentation. In TFM or in the film world in general, if something succeeds there is immediately an attempt to churn out more using the same success formula. I hope IR doesnt get into a fixed more here too like how he has been constrained in TFM. Thats my only point of skepticism. Divya Prabandham I believe, was one of Sujatha's suggestions. It could well be a rumour, lets see.
alwarpet, couple of reasons that have been floating around includes IR being upset about some criticisms(IMO this is just absurd and difficult for me to digest), copyright issues with the recording company(Sony?) which seems to be more believable. Everytime he has been asked about it he has brushed it off and the last time someone asked him about it his reply was "naan adhai paNNI irukkave koodadhu" and assuring that TIS would be definitely released. Someone like GA or MSV or KR can be asked about this as they have heard it and probably know the truth better. Any effort to release this would be worth supporting.
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One person like one and another one person don't like that.
I like very much IR's music as well as Tamil. Therefore, whevnever IR will come with a Taml literature, I will be a very happy man. But by this way, big commercial success i.e reaching public will be more complicated one. In the same time, media will support a lot.
I also think about people other than tamilian who are loving IR's music. Thus, I also want a symphony / album based on general topic. In such case the reach will be a big circle.
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Doing more albums on ancient Thamizh literature is definitely a positive development (whether by IR or anyone else)...However, a big budget with a lot of talent abroad may be needed only for a 100% insrumental work (whether symphony or fusion / crossover etc) and probably not for literary ventures...inexpensive formats may be sufficient...
While Raja may not be happy about this, why not rewrite the HTNI with a lot more orchestration (and probably a long extended version with multiple movements) and get it played by a world class orchestra? Is such a thing not so common among musicians abroad?
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"Kastrui Maan" is releasing today
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This "Dhivyaprabhandham" news has only marginally increased my enthusiam when compared to any new film announcement of Raja.
Unfortunately Raja is not a Rehman to try out new ideas. If at all it becomes a reality, I foresee only a watered down TIO sequel by another name.
Will anybody here attend his arumai magaL's wedding?
I wish somebody thrusts into IR's hands the print out of the recent thread where we fans have discussed about what should be IR's next chart after the Big TIO. Atleast he should know what his fans , albeit a minority, feel rather than being complacent with the ever hovering sychophants . Sorry for the pessimistic post. Can't help it.
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Thumburu, I think the problem is finding sponsors, recording companies etc. the next time around and what they want. They might prefer a sequel to TIS as you say, which is sad. This is the eternal art vs business conflict in which the listener ends up being the loser. Even if IR were to do a pure orchestral work there should be takers. In certain ways, we are lucky that TIS even happened.We might never see a collective effort like that again.
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http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=209795&disdate=9/14/2005
...kalyANa kAlam
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Ilayaraja sings for daughters wedding
http://www.telugucinema.com/c/movies/ilayaraja_sep1405.php
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IR Fans !! - Try & Listen to "Hey COme On " from "twinkle Twinkle little Star" ( Mal) - ( also available on raaga.com) .
People have mentioned here about "Kasturiman" ad track sounding different normal IR - Well this song from TTLS is even more surprising & makes you feel so even more - He has made a totally different number -- perhaps his most " different " one in recent times - it's not in any particular format - I've liked it all the more after a couple of hearings.
(TTLS as an album is basically with lots of children chorus, like Anjali was)
There is one more song - Manathe thamara - in TTLS lso a peppy number, but I felt it takes off from where "Aasaye kaathula thoodu vittu" left.
Interestingly TTLS is produced by Dubai based Welgate films & Music who have released the TIS Audio.
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Guys,
Digression ..
can anyone have a list of Ramarajan movies with the years..I am interested in some late 80's/early 90's of his..ofcourse the ones with IR music in particular.
I got a chance to listen to " Villupaatukaran " - and got pretty impressed with some of the numbers. Especially Ponnil Vaanam by SJ.
thanks
MSK
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cry_sandiego wrote: |
Guys,
Digression ..
can anyone have a list of Ramarajan movies with the years..I am interested in some late 80's/early 90's of his..ofcourse the ones with IR music in particular.
I got a chance to listen to " Villupaatukaran " - and got pretty impressed with some of the numbers. Especially Ponnil Vaanam by SJ.
thanks
MSK |
http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/actors/Ramarajan.html
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cry_sandiego,
Here is the list you asked for,
though i dont have an idea about the release years.
1.Ponnanna neram
2.Seeri varum kaalai
3.Gopura deepam
4.Amman kovil vasalilaey
5.Poo Manamae vaa
6.Ooru vittu ooru vanthu
7.Enga ooru Kaavakkaran
8.Enga ooru Paatukkaran
9.Paatukku naan adimai
10.Karagattakkaran
11.Oorellam un paatu
12.Anbu Kattlai
13.Pongi varum kaveri
14.Puthu paatu
15.Raasavae unai nambi
16.Senbagamae senbagamae
17.Thangamaana Raasa
18.Kaavalan
19.Thaedi vantha Raasa
20.Villupaatukkaran
21.Ennai petha Raasa
22.Rayilukku neramachu
23.Manasuketha magaraasa
24.Ennai vittu pogathae
25.Thenmaangu paatukkaran
26.Vivasayi magan
27.Ponnukaetha Purushan
28.Gramathu minnal
29.Namma ooru Raasa
30.Annan
Almost all the movies had IR as MD and were super duper hits in B and C centres
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http://www.dhool.com/sotd2/685.html
Enjoy!
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app_engine wrote: |
http://www.dhool.com/sotd2/685.html
Enjoy! |
app_engine,
thanks a ton. Its really a good song. Lyrics are pretty good. Thanks AGAIN. What happened to Kasturimaan.
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http://newstodaynet.com/12sep/ss2.htm
I was wondering whether RS Manohar is still active in theatre as he must be really very old...looks like `kAdaka muthraiyan', originally a RSM drama, is being licensed to YGM's group...(Manohar dramas used to be highlights of `porutkAtchi' in southern TN towns like Virudhunagar etc... He looked old even back then, when we used to relish them in the late 70's)
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sorry for the digression
i was watching the bharadwaj musical night yesterday. Unlike other MDs, who usually perform their own music, Bharadwaj did 20 of his songs and 15 from other MDs (surprisingly no ARR songs, dont know why).
Couple of songs are from MSV, which are classic ones - like Engayum Eppothum Sangeetham
The crowd was usually quite and when the song ends they showed little courtesy and clapped.
SPB started singing one alaapanai... the crowd as usual was quite. I had no clue what song its going to be. When he finished aalapanai and started singing "tham thamtha namtha namtham thamthanamtham"... crowed started clapping heavily unil he started singing first few lines. The song was "Sangeetha jaathimullai kaanavillai" - yes truly I was missing the sangeetha jaathimullai
When the clap ended, for a change,there was a standing ovation.
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njv
first of all Bharadwaj doesnt have 20 hits.
Even if he has, they would have been copied from Spanish albums (such as Vasooool Raja).
He is good only for doing music for Cho dramas.
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Shankar and Rajni attend all IR's family functions.
Does it hint at anything ?? !!
http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/20/stories/2005092015940400.htm
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It just shows friendship is different and "moolah" is different. podhuma?
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I think Shankar enjoys a good friendship with ARR and Haris
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IR&KB
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/m/Events/bhava_wedrec200905/59268.html
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Sorry for the digression.
I saw that people have reacted sharply towards IR's dhoti shop thread and promptly it has been locked.
Well, frankly speaking I just felt it was in lighter vein and it brought to the light several facts.. didn't find anything bad about it to be locked and if the moderators have felt the need to be locked, how in the world threads & posts where IR is called as arrogant etc. are spared!!
Different yardsticks? Huh.
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emjay wrote: |
Sorry for the digression.
I saw that people have reacted sharply towards IR's dhoti shop thread and promptly it has been locked.
Well, frankly speaking I just felt it was in lighter vein and it brought to the light several facts.. didn't find anything bad about it to be locked and if the moderators have felt the need to be locked, how in the world threads & posts where IR is called as arrogant etc. are spared!!
Different yardsticks? Huh. |
I agree. Admin, Why did you lock?
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Is the movie Sivaji gone to ARR? When I see Shankar, Rajini and AVM Saravanan here, I have some thoughts.
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crvenky wrote: |
Is the movie Sivaji gone to ARR? When I see Shankar, Rajini and AVM Saravanan here, I have some thoughts. |
My source from a month have same the same "thought" and still have the same "thought". Nothing is clear now.
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sureshmechnit had mentioned about Kasthirumaan release several days back. Any news on it? So far it looks like some rumour
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I thought the official announcement with Rahman as MD for Sivaji has already been made?
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I agree. Admin, Why did you lock? Confused
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Bcos if they had allowed it, that guy wud've started another thread on MSV-TKR's provisions store...and many more wud've ROTFL'ed.
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Shankar wrote: |
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I agree. Admin, Why did you lock? Confused
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Bcos if they had allowed it, that guy wud've started another thread on MSV-TKR's provisions store...and many more wud've ROTFL'ed. |
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I see in the album that IR and Shankar are exchanging some words..what it could be ???!!!
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Guys ,
Only IR can give customized music.......
AR just is hit song generator...
Yesterday i bought one VCD of ilayaraja hits....
In that there is a song where NEPOLEAN sings for his sister GEETHA who will be getting married to NAAZAR.....
hats off to IR ...he is genius....the tune suits nepolean so much ....as if its only for him.....
(By the way anybody can tell me which movie is that ?)
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krihoo, its from Kizhakkum Merkum (Dir. Mu Kalanjiyam)
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wow u know everything...thanks venky ..
by the way someone accused IR of copying ARs tune for YELE song of MX...
do u have that tune...i cudnt download since it expired
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krihoo, I have not heard about that copy issue.
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oh that one u can see in the list of AR threads that IR copied ARs thiruda thiruda song bit (JOOR LAGAA song in hindi CHOR CHOR) for yele ni uethippo of MX ...
first i was worried until i heard the song....
when i heard , i felt these are all fools who are imagining things...
the TYPE of composition is same category...that is funny song ....but 100% its not taken as inspiration.....All those doubts by them are just stupid things to be ignored
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When are they going to anounce the names of technicians for Rajni's Sivaji ??
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why are u waiting that they will announce IR ha haha ??
thats not gonna happen anyway....
they better go to AR since shankar has nice frequency with AR....
by the way guyz, IYya ENNA Song from COA is damn good.....as i listen to that song i see RAJKIRAN ....it wud be damn good for him ....where he will be in a careless posture where as heroine trying to grab his attention
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song nalla vaazhvu sounds like thenpaandi chimayile from naayakan...might be same raaga or something
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Shankar and ARR have Ego clash between them.
It exploded when the re-recording for BOYs took a looong time.So, Shankar purposely avoided him in ANNIYAN (though they say something else when queried personally by media).
But, a sify news claims that they have patched up for sivaji
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13939901
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Is there any CD compilation of malayalam hits of IR..?
Anybody knows ?
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Digression:
Hi - anyone from Houston, Texas here ? looks like Hurricane Rita is all set to be more deadly than Katrina ? how is the situation out there ?
Thanks
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I saw a teaser ad of Maestro in Jaya TV (beautiful shots) yesterday night. It just says at the end 'Viraivil' (soon).
If any of you come across the details, please post it here.
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crvenky,
Please be clear ! What is a teaser ad ? Is it for any movie or what did you see..??
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crvenky wrote: |
I saw a teaser ad of Maestro in Jaya TV (beautiful shots) yesterday night. It just says at the end 'Viraivil' (soon).
If any of you come across the details, please post it here. |
Kasturimaan. Its totally different atleast from the teaser. Waiting for the music launch.
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Kasturiman has been released before some days. What are you doing raja fans?. Where is review?
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Sanjeevi wrote: |
Kasturiman has been released before some days. What are you doing raja fans?. Where is review? |
Its not released yet to my knowledge. It should be in all napsters and kumars if its released.
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I read elsewhere that the cassettes are already available in shops but not the CDs.
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rajafan/njv,
The ad is very brief, with beautiful shots of Maestro. It should be either a Serial on his life (as was mentioned some time back) or a program on his music. I am excited
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Twinkle Twinkle little stars brought back memories of Anjali music
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Reply to Digression : Hi tmrrmt, I am in Houston. Thanks for asking. Situation is pretty bad, with people struggling to get out. But latest forecasts suggest that the hurriane may not be as bad as originally thought.
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uv, is it a positive or a negative remark?ie is it as good as Anjali or plain recycled stuff from Anjali?
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thumburu wrote: |
uv, is it a positive or a negative remark?ie is it as good as Anjali or plain recycled stuff from Anjali? |
second one
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njv, enna ippidi paanaiyai pottu udaithuvitteer!!! uv romba euphemistic aa pattum padaama solliptu ambel aayittaar.
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thumburu wrote: |
njv, enna ippidi paanaiyai pottu udaithuvitteer!!! uv romba euphemistic aa pattum padaama solliptu ambel aayittaar.
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unmaya chonnaen. listen to it in www.raaga.com. its available.
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COA is average according to sify:
Thankar Bachchan has always been in awe of Malayalam cinema for its story telling and natural performance. So it was but natural for Thankar to remake a highly successful family drama Chinthavistayaya Shyamala as Chidambarathil Oru Appasamy with no major changes.
The goodness of COA lies in the simple story, an outstanding performance by Navya Nair and soulful music of Ilayaraja. The film with its cute message seeped in real life situations will keep you engrossed. Elangovan (Thankar Bachchan) is a school teacher in Chidambaram who is a jack of all trades but master of none. He spends time with friends boozing, gambling and trying out new business that always fails.
His wife is Thenmozhi(Navya Nair) and has two daughters. Elangovans father (Pyramid Natarajan) and his father-in-law (Sundararajan) try to make him responsible towards his family but our man refuses to take up anything serious in life. On advice of everyone, Elangovan goes to Sabarimala after taking Vrath but returns to continue as sanyasi without being least bothered about his duties towards family. Fearing his wife and relatives he decides to join a mutt but there also he is unable to sustain.
In the meantime Thenmozhi works hard to educate her children. She is mentally prepared to live without her husband when Elangovan returns and pleads with her as usual. But this time Thenmozhi is not willing to pardon him and she ignores him. What happens then forms the climax and message of the film.
Thankar is disappointing as the protagonist, a role that Sreenivasan had made memorable in the original. However Navya makes up for it with a matured performance. Sundararajan and Pyramid Natarajan in the supporting cast are good.
Verdict: Average
Anyone seen it?
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Looks like Raja's RR is good in COA too...
Thangar Bachchan has been under focus for allegedly demeaning actresses. In other words, he had targeted women. In Chidambarathil Oru Appasamuy,too, his target is again women. But this time around, there are bound to be no controversies as he has come up with a cloying sentimental movie that women, used to seeing maudlin tearjerkers on TV, would find it acceptable.
There are no Thangar's angst or underlying poetic pathos that one got to see in films like Thendral or Azhagi. Instead this is a family drama with the heroine Navya Nair and the music director Ilayaraja walking away with all the kudos. Though not in the league of his Azhagi, COA certainly leaves an impression on the audience for it carries a strong message rendered without much commercial compromise.
Though Thangar has disappointed as an actor, his directortial skills have been brought to the fore. The movie, which is a remake of a Malayalam hit Chinthavishtayaya Shyamala, will certainly appeal to the lady audiences. Navya Nair's matured performance and equally superb work by Ilayaraja especially in the background score adds much needed strength to this emotional melodrama.
from Indiaglitz
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My review on COA film
http://sanjeeviview.blogspot.com/2005/09/blog-post.html
and
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/REVIEW/2005/chidambarathil.asp
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THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THIS FORUM WOULD BE FLOODED WITH RESPONSES WHENEVER A NEW IR ALBUM WAS RELEASED.
BUT THIS YEAR, MOST OF THE TIME THIS FORUM IS GOING VERY DULL
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GLORY GUYS ???????
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raja fan, isn't it a sad reality that as far as film music is concerned, we fans have to only rest on IR's past laurels?
Now a days any new IR's filmi album has zero or negative expectation even with his diehard fans[Iam one and I have not so far cared to listen to albums like AOKK, COA] . I think the release of one more film say "kasturi maan" will seal this thread's fate. IR doesn't seem to help this thread in any way .
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No Thumburu,
IR did not deceive us in ONOK..I believe strongly that kasturi maan will be a hit ( I got a chance to hear one of the songs by Manjari in Asianet..it was so good )
But apart from all these, this forum in general has surely lost its charm especially after it moved to new login format..I could remember the days when Azhagi, Ramana etc were released..
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raja fan, Kasturi maan Malayalam version was not scored by IR.
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Thumburu, Dont be sad. Every artist has their day and now IR days are gone. It is now the turn for others MDs to take charge. I hope IR follows Naushad's path and open a music school where he share his great musical experience to the next generation instead of concentrating on these worthless albums.
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alias, I totally agree with just what you're saying. I mean, if any of you other fellows like the songs from "Chidambarathil Oru Appusaamy," "Athu Oru Kana Kaalam," or whatever, then that's all well and good. I cannot say the same for myself though-- after immersing myself in devotional music and Malayalam film music (excluding the latest releases), by this standard, certainly COA, AOKK, etc., look like a joke.
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"raja fan, Kasturi maan Malayalam version was not scored by IR"
crvenky, Manjari in an interview with Asianet, sang a bit from tamil kasturimaan. It was a good melody.
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sorry brothersi dont agree with u guyz
raja s creativity is still a lotttt..
its just that he is coming across wrong directors and same old type of stories.....if some new generation fresh directors approach him with fresh topics then again starts the magic.........
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Yeah! But IR is a special genius who is the unlimited source for current MDs. Even if you go to other MDs, IR still will be in music form.
Guys listened Mazhai songs. Songs IRish especially Mannilae song rhythm remainded me Santhana katrae song.
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saw kasthuriman trailer.....music is fresh and interesting....
damn it...hope they release the album !!!!!!!!!!
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and an interesting thing is, jayamohan is writing the dialogues for kasturimaan...Another great writer goes to movies....I hope he succeeds like Sujatha/balakumaran.
Jayamohan fans, anyone ??
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TFM Post 1992, are the years of sound engineers. To be a successful MD in this period, u need not have great music sense.People with some music knowledge and a better sound sense have come out well during this period.
We definitely need "pure music" atleast in 25 % of the movies released and only IR can deliver that.I definitely like to see him doing atleast 5 movies a year.He has given good songs this year like poo poothathu, kajiraho, konjam thira,antha naal gyabagam,etc..
Years have gone but ther is only one IR who can give soul touching music.No one has even come closer to him in this so far.
Also, not much activity in this forum(about his new releases) is not a criteria for him to stop doing TFM
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Shankar wrote: |
and an interesting thing is, jayamohan is writing the dialogues for kasturimaan...Another great writer goes to movies....I hope he succeeds like Sujatha/balakumaran.
Jayamohan fans, anyone ?? |
Yes, he is writing dialogues for kasturimaan. I was surprised to see his name in the trailer. One more reason I am looking forward to this movie. I have not read his works (konjam bayama irukku by looking at the volume of his novels, neraya free time venumnu nenaikiren), but I like his column that comes in uyirmmai.
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MrJudge wrote: |
Shankar wrote: | and an interesting thing is, jayamohan is writing the dialogues for kasturimaan...Another great writer goes to movies....I hope he succeeds like Sujatha/balakumaran.
Jayamohan fans, anyone ?? |
Yes, he is writing dialogues for kasturimaan. I was surprised to see his name in the trailer. One more reason I am looking forward to this movie. I have not read his works (konjam bayama irukku by looking at the volume of his novels, neraya free time venumnu nenaikiren), but I like his column that comes in uyirmmai. |
Jeyamohan also team-up with director Bala also. Ajith's paramasivan or Naan kadavul will come with Jeyamohon's dialog.
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Sanjeevi wrote: |
Jeyamohan also team-up with director Bala also. Ajith's paramasivan or Naan kadavul will come with Jeyamohon's dialog. |
'Kumudam' says he is doing the story/screenplay for 'Naan Kadavul'
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ilayarajas coming telugu movie
According to sources, director Teja has changed his new films title from Kotta Chithram to Nadu Nedu Repu or Ninna Evvala Repu. The exact title is yet to be finalized. The film starring Navadeep and newcomer Poonam Kaur is likely to go on to the floors from October 5th in Vizag.
Sources also told that Teja this time has come up with a brilliant script and innovative narration to regain his glory with this film. This love story has music by maestro Ilayaraja and ace cameraman handles the camera.
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another COA review:
http://www.behindwoods.com/features/Reviews/reviews1/chidambarathiloruappasamy/tamil-movie-review-chidambarathioruappasamy.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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sethu BGM - 3o minutes !!!
Reasonable quality !!!
Next will follow mella thiranthathu kathavu !!!
http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3Q7YEKLNGRSDJ2288ETHGWWHSC
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but I like his column that comes in uyirmmai.
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What's uyuirmmai ?? is that a web-magazine ? Does it require any font to read ?? (i don't have anjal...i just have unicode)
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Shankar wrote: |
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What's uyuirmmai ?? is that a web-magazine ? Does it require any font to read ?? (i don't have anjal...i just have unicode) |
Uyirmmai is a tamil monthly just like kalachuvadu. They are run by opposite camps and get into clash very often. It is published by Manushya Puththrian. I buy the print version, the same is available on the web too. It is available at http://tamil.sify.com/uyirmmai/index.php The page was last updated in April and for some reason it is not being updated regularly. I am not sure whether it is unicode or murasu but IE displays the webpage without any problem.
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/09/30/stories/2005093003080200.htm
COA review...
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http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News31/30-9-05e/tamil-movies-news-ilayaraja.html
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sorry 12albums but ...see this
idlebrain.com
AR Rehman's music for Rajnikant's Sivaji
AR Rehman would be scoring music for Rajnikant's next film in the direction of Shankar. AVM banner is producing this film in Tamil. The Telugu version rights are bought by NV Prasad
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Raja's Live show in Nehru stadium on 16th of this month produced by Jaya TV.Confirmed
Eagerly awaiting for further details
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Krihoo, I saw that too, but there has been no official statement as yet and the way Shankar was talking to IR at Bhava's wedding, there might be something ! Again, I know its a long shot, but I am eternally optimistic.
Details for IR concert:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17118.html
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http://www.kumudam.com/lightsonline/011005/pg3.php
K.Balachander showed up for Bhava's reception. I thought IR and KB were opposite poles.
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12bums,
though i am biggg fan of IR , that concert thing i dont beleive him...for sure he got some hidden reason....he always make futile attempts in manipulating people
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Again, I know its a long shot, but I am eternally optimistic.
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What's there to be optimistic about ?? You know the quality of Rajni songs in the recent yrs...I wudn't want Raja to score (in the unlikely event of Sivaji being offered to him).
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guys pls help
i saw A AAH audio release function on india glitz...
in that in tamil vivek said something comparing IR and AR...what is it
Also AR said something that when he used to work for IR blah blah blah.....ppl clapped and shouted too...what is it ??
Please tell
here is the link
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/events/7814.html
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17147.html
Good&Bad news.
Good :'Vishwas'Sundar has taken up the distribution rights of AOKK which means the film currently lying in the cans will finally release.
Bad:It's scheduled for release on Diwali day along with Sivakasi,Godfather&Maja.Kaaname poyidumo?
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sandhEgamE vENdAm, it will sink without trace
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One of the theme songs (which has a prelude of Kurangu Kaiyil maalai song) in Mumbai Xpress contains a long piano sequence. I dont know if this song was part of the audio cassette/CD (was part of the initial ME mp3 downloads though), but it does appear in the movie. You can hear the same piano piece when Kamal (with the kid next to him on the sofa) explains to Manisha how she hurt the kids feelings when she considers him a "Baaram" or something like that. When the end credits rolled out, I noticed that there was a name mentioned for the piano piece. I think its "Paul..." or something like that (i hate myself to have forgotten..). Does anyone has more info on this? Was it performed in Budapest or something like that?
thanks
Krishnan
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i think it said "Piano played by:" or something like that...i need to watch Mumbai Xpress DVD again.
thanks
Krishnan
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YEAH
this is the one performed in NEW YORK where they were stunned at the piece...
anyway
guys yesterday i bought VCD of OROK....at titles there is one song sung by bavathaarini...its nice song..but not there in audio....same like konjipesalam ...that one too got title song sung by bavathaarini ....but not inccluded in audio
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17162.html
More trouble for AOKK this time from BM himself.
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<Digression>
http://www.newstodaynet.com/talkies/0210tt4.htm
Karthik Raja gets an opportunity to provide music.
<End Digression>
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emails have been going around from IR yahoo groups that KASTHURIMAAN CDs have been released....any updates as to how the songs are?
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GUYZZ
ONOK songs till now i heard only in audio...when i saw them in movie the craze for the songs multiplied by 10 times....
NAMASIVAAYA RAJA
NAADANTAAN RAJA
INIPODHUM
EN NENJIL NEEDHAANTHAAN RAAJA
HAIL HAIL .....RAJA HAIL HAIL
HAIL HAIL .....RAJA HAIL HAIL
Its unfortunate that he is not getting success even with great songs and great works like TIS
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rags141 wrote: |
emails have been going around from IR yahoo groups that KASTHURIMAAN CDs have been released....any updates as to how the songs are? |
How did i become so ignorant of his new release was the question i asked myself when i listened to the CD today... obviously when i went to the shop on the day when News paper ADs came they said stocks havent arrived yet. once again when i went after a week they said only cassettes are there. i sighed and came off. AS i dont own a cassette player
So today when i went to get the tickets for LIVE Concert i got the CD with all excitement As Expected the Maestro has proved it yet again he is the only king of Music.
The best song of the album [IMO] 'Ennai Ketkkum' Has mindblowing Violin preludes and interludes which can be termed at par with 'How to name it' . I was shaken for some moments when listening to the prelude in my hi-fi stereo. Oh how i longed for the prelude and interludes to be longer... Iam shivering as iam typing this post i listened to other songs only once, this song is in loop and have listened to it atleast 15 times. I try to hook on another song titled 'Vaanin kaathal' which i think will be good, but unknowingly my fingers reach for the remote to hear this song again....
Ill post more after listening to other songs leisurely . Go grab your own CD's friends you are in for a treat.
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cant contain the excitement to share with you all. I've ripped the song and uploaded it Though i know iam infringing copyright laws i wanted to share this song with all those who cant get the CD. I request you all to buy original CD's after listening, for better effect on a stereo system
here is the link
http://rapidshare.de/files/5909810/05-ENNAI_KETKUM.zip.html
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Thanks Rajarasanam.
Guys, i am listening to COA CD for the last few days and I should say ( contrary to a few reviews on this forum ) I liked 3 out of the 5 songs very much. Especially I am hooked to the first and 4th tracks. The first track - Nalla Vazhvu and the 4th- Ponna Porantha are very very apt to the situation of the movie ( i saw some clips on SUN TV review )..
Nalla Vazhvu has very good lyrics. Second the emotions that are brought out by the first interlude are very apt to the song/movie situation. just before the Ayyappan bajan chorus.. and the way male voice blends in after that bajan is very nicely done..
As for the Ponna Porantha song, I liked the lyrics on this one too and the very mild interludes. I am still trying to figure the scale this one is set to. if anyone has already pls let me know.
I sort of liked the second track too..not very good but OK.
the fifth track is not worth mentioning.
So i kind of found it interesting when there was a comment sometime back that COA songs were a joke. it was good in a way that it set my expectations lower on COA and now that i like the 2 songs very much.
next I also listened to AOKK - The antha naal song and Kili thattu are my favorites right now..Little things make the Antha naal song very effective.. For ex, the Temple bell chime - just before the lines Kovil Mani Osai.. pretty similar to the Nadodi Thendral song.. u would not notice it unless you are looking ( or hearing ) for it. It is mixed well with the rhythm beats of the song.. It's little things like this make an IR composition different.
Again Vaali's lyrics here are good.
Kili thattu reminds me of many IR songs ..Especially a Bavatharini song Konjum Kuyilu Paattu in some vague movie a few years ago ( Ilayavan or some movie like that - it also has some other nice songs
yet to listen to ONOK CD.
Cheers.
MSK
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Thanks Rajasaranam.
Guys, i am listening to COA CD for the last few days and I should say ( contrary to a few reviews on this forum ) I liked 3 out of the 5 songs very much. Especially I am hooked to the first and 4th tracks. The first track - Nalla Vazhvu and the 4th- Ponna Porantha are very very apt to the situation of the movie ( i saw some clips on SUN TV review )..
Nalla Vazhvu has very good lyrics. Second the emotions that are brought out by the first interlude are very apt to the song/movie situation. just before the Ayyappan bajan chorus.. and the way male voice blends in after that bajan is very nicely done..
As for the Ponna Porantha song, I liked the lyrics on this one too and the very mild interludes. I am still trying to figure the scale this one is set to. if anyone has already pls let me know.
I sort of liked the second track too..not very good but OK.
the fifth track is not worth mentioning.
So i kind of found it interesting when there was a comment sometime back that COA songs were a joke. it was good in a way that it set my expectations lower on COA and now that i like the 2 songs very much.
next I also listened to AOKK - The antha naal song and Kili thattu are my favorites right now..Little things make the Antha naal song very effective.. For ex, the Temple bell chime - just before the lines Kovil Mani Osai.. pretty similar to the Nadodi Thendral song.. u would not notice it unless you are looking ( or hearing ) for it. It is mixed well with the rhythm beats of the song.. It's little things like this make an IR composition different.
Again Vaali's lyrics here are good.
Kili thattu reminds me of many IR songs ..Especially a Bavatharini song Konjum Kuyilu Paattu in some vague movie a few years ago ( Ilayavan or some movie like that - it also has some other nice songs
yet to listen to ONOK CD.
Cheers.
MSK
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Thanks Rajasaranam.
Guys, i am listening to COA CD for the last few days and I should say ( contrary to a few reviews on this forum ) I liked 3 out of the 5 songs very much. Especially I am hooked to the first and 4th tracks. The first track - Nalla Vazhvu and the 4th- Ponna Porantha are very very apt to the situation of the movie ( i saw some clips on SUN TV review )..
Nalla Vazhvu has very good lyrics. Second the emotions that are brought out by the first interlude are very apt to the song/movie situation. just before the Ayyappan bajan chorus.. and the way male voice blends in after that bajan is very nicely done..
As for the Ponna Porantha song, I liked the lyrics on this one too and the very mild interludes. I am still trying to figure the scale this one is set to. if anyone has already pls let me know.
I sort of liked the second track too..not very good but OK.
the fifth track is not worth mentioning.
So i kind of found it interesting when there was a comment sometime back that COA songs were a joke. it was good in a way that it set my expectations lower on COA and now that i like the 2 songs very much.
next I also listened to AOKK - The antha naal song and Kili thattu are my favorites right now..Little things make the Antha naal song very effective.. For ex, the Temple bell chime - just before the lines Kovil Mani Osai.. pretty similar to the Nadodi Thendral song.. u would not notice it unless you are looking ( or hearing ) for it. It is mixed well with the rhythm beats of the song.. It's little things like this make an IR composition different.
Again Vaali's lyrics here are good.
Kili thattu reminds me of many IR songs ..Especially a Bavatharini song Konjum Kuyilu Paattu in some vague movie a few years ago ( Ilayavan or some movie like that - it also has some other nice songs
yet to listen to ONOK CD.
Cheers.
MSK
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Hi everyone - some good news!
'mfiles', a popular website for music lovers, which is frequented by connoisseurs as well as composers, music agents from around the world, has now included IR in its list of great composers, ranking him alongwith John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith etc!
http://www.mfiles.co.uk/film-composers.htm
www.mfiles.co.uk/composers/Ilaiyaraaja.htm
thanks
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oops. Sorry about the multiple posts..
I guess i figured the scale on the COA track #4 ( Ponna Porantha.. ).. I guess it's Simmendramadhyamam. IR's favorite scale .. meant to evoke a sympathy ( similar to the Paadi Thirintha En Thozhi from Kaakai Chiraginile.. )
Can anyone confirm if I am right. thanks
Cheers
MSK
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rajasaranam wrote: |
cant contain the excitement to share with you all. I've ripped the song and uploaded it Though i know iam infringing copyright laws i wanted to share this song with all those who cant get the CD. I request you all to buy original CD's after listening, for better effect on a stereo system
here is the link
http://rapidshare.de/files/5909810/05-ENNAI_KETKUM.zip.html |
rajasaranam, the link either does not work or it says that a limit to download is reached or something like that. Can you please upload it somewhere else?
thanks
Krishnan
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Rajasaranam,
Endha denomination ticket vaangirukkeenga?
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Rajasaranam,
Thanks for Ennai ketkum kelvi song. Its indeed Simmendra Madhyamam. Couple of lines from Bharathi's poem in the 2nd interlude is interesting.
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Rajasaranam,
Thanks for the upload...."Ennai Ketkum" song is just awesome....VINTAGE IR stuff....Violin interludes are great....Please post your review on other Kasthuriman songs....
Rags
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alwarpet_andavan wrote: |
Rajasaranam,
Endha denomination ticket vaangirukkeenga? |
AA,
Rs.200 denomination than. I had to sponsor a couple of friends. we are around 10 people gang and ticket selavu en thalaiyila kattitaanunga [Thiruvaasagam 50 CD vaangi vithathukku parisu ] But iam happy about it, as all of them are Subtle Raja fans and they can whistle as though it will bring the sky down.
Neenga entha denomination?
Krish244,
Ill check on the link and try to re load it again
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rajasaranam wrote: |
AA,
Rs.200 denomination than. I had to sponsor a couple of friends. we are around 10 people gang and ticket selavu en thalaiyila kattitaanunga [Thiruvaasagam 50 CD vaangi vithathukku parisu ] But iam happy about it, as all of them are Subtle Raja fans and they can whistle as though it will bring the sky down.
Neenga entha denomination?
Krish244,
Ill check on the link and try to re load it again |
Ilayaan-a pakkathla paakkanum-nu aasai...
Tempted to go for the VIP enclosure.
Mannu thingappora odambu, and moreover pogumbodhu edhayum eduthuttu poga mattom [] , so might just go for it!
Nalaikku enna thonudho vaanga vendiyadhu dhaan....
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alwarpet_andavan wrote: |
Mannu thingappora odambu, and moreover pogumbodhu edhayum eduthuttu poga mattom [] , so might just go for it!
Nalaikku enna thonudho vaanga vendiyadhu dhaan.... |
pogumbodhu kooda rendu IR CD yeduthuttu ponga, mannum thingathu onnum thingathu.
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here are all the songs from Kasthoorimaan ripped to the lowest quality. Please buy Original CD's and make this album a Hit. The album deserves it.
http://rapidshare.de/files/5955689/KASTHOORIMAAN.zip.html
All the songs are great IMHO
My rankings are
1.Ennai ketkkum
2.Nethu varaikkum
3.Vaanin kaathal
4.Oru Porkaalam
5.Ketkalayo ketkalayo
This is the album which gives complete satisfaction to me out of those released this year [2005].
Today is the day for 'Nethu varaikkum' excellently sung by sujatha
and written by Na.Muthukumar. The lyrics music and singing are all very good in this song. She sings the song with much ease and comfort sounding folkish, she steal our hearts the way she ends each sentence with 'eeeeaannn...' listen to 'kanavugalin.... nananannnannaa......' ufff obsolutely mesmerising. This song can feature in any female solo collections.
The song 'Vaanin kaathal' closely resembles 'Deva malligai' from 'Nadigan' in parts while the songs is composed to suit keeping in mind the present trend [synthesizers, Electronica stuff et all ] But the song will linger long in our Drunken minds who have drunk his music to the hilt....The saxophone interlude is a treat to hear...
got to hear the other two songs more once i get filled with these three.
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Krish,
The link is working and fine. But i am going to delete it as i've uploaded all the songs in another link. Get the songs before i delete it
I saw 38 down loads for the 'ennai ketkkum' song, got no reviews except CRV and rags. Why why why ?
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Rajasaranam.....thanks a lot.....
SIMPLY AWESOME SONGS!!!!!!
VINTAGE IR is back....KASTHOORIMAAN just rocks....easily IRs best album in the last 2 years....5 melodies with lengthy and mesmerizing interludes....what more can one ask for....
Thanks again Rajasaranam.
Long Live IR!!!!
Rags
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Excellent Songs Rajasaranam.
I liked all the songs in the first go.. Will write more after i listen to all a few times..
thanks
MSK
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again.. got to say that Mallu Albums inspire IR a lot more than tamil/Telugu.. The % of excellent songs per album is definitely more in Mal albums.. Obviously Mal movies are in a class - way above Tamil/Telugu.
Cheers
MSK
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Just Curious .. Is "Ketkaliyo Ketkaliyo " Madhyamavathi .?
Nice hip Song..
MSK
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Thanks rajasaranam! Let me try it again.
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A breather from raaja ...
1.Ketkalayo -Superb melody song with amazing percussions ..Tippu kalakkal ..chance illa song ..full paisa vasool ..It reminds me of Vetri vetri song from Kattu Marakkaran 10/10
2.Vannin Kathal
KR oda paatu maathiri irrukku ..again kalakkal song ..Again Tippu raajyaam thaan ...Mathaangi sings after a loooooooong time ..this song can be compared to Deva Malligai (only in charanam)and Kadhal Neethana from time ...a bit jazzied version of it !!Superb song 9/10
3.Nethu Varaikkum
Sujata sings under raaja after looooong time..Lyrics cld have been better in this in pallavi ...I guess this is a kind of heroine intro love song in Village or so ....interludes are great though ....This song can be compare dto maina kunju from oru ooril oru kumaari movie ...Did'nt impress me very much as the other 2 songs 8/10
4.Oru Porkaalam
Starts amazingly well ..Karthik melts in this song ....Very nice melody ...9/10
Superb ..This movie songs reminds me of TIME movie songs
3.
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All night i felt guilty that i have done something wrong by uploading the songs. I came to office today to delete the songs from net. but seeing the excitement of rags and MSK i prefer it to stay for one more day in net. I had the same excitement when heard first and just wanted it to share with fellow Raja Fans. All those who craved for Raja's Best get the songs ASAP.I can assure you this is the album we have been waiting for.
After ripping i never heard the songs in the format i have ripped. Today i heard it and thought OMG this is as good as the original Though i ripped it to the lowest quality i.e., 48 Kpbs. Still its good to listen. Hmmm.. Technology
I dont want you people to think 'This itself is OK why to buy original' Go and buy the CD's Folks.
Coming to the songs ... The brief SAX interlude coming in the 'Vaanin Kaathal' is simply awesome. the Song has patterns of JAZZ Aswelas ROCK n ROLL. I somehow feel the SAX interlude was recorded for MX and IR kept it aside and has used it now. What say Rags, MSK
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'Ennai ketkkum' is my favorite (based on simmendra madhyam). Cool strings. Reminded 'how to name it' and 'anadha raagam ketkum kaalam' but this one is different. Good job by Tippu and 'whoever sang the swaras'.
Thanks rajasaranam.
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cry_sandiego wrote: |
Just Curious .. Is "Ketkaliyo Ketkaliyo " Madhyamavathi .?
Nice hip Song..
MSK |
MSK,
Sounded Suddha saveri to me. Also 'Nethu varaikkum'.
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Rs,
The link keeps refreshing, but no link to the file...How do i download ?
I downloaded the "ennai ketkum" song y'day without any problem.
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Hi RR,
thanks.. But I am still suspecting MM.. have you listened to the critically acclaimed " Adi aadi varum Palaakku" in a late 80's movie called I Love India..sung by SJ. THis is again MM and even the starting chorus seems to be very similar in concept but so brilliantly done..
I am not sure if that song is available on the net.. The rhythm on that song was so mesmerizing.. this one is so close.. I still have not analyzed it very well..
But I am already addicted to this song..
Even the Vanin Kaathal is so Good.. Man.. this album is awesome.. I can;t wait for the CD>
Cheers
MSK
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Very nice to hear about kasturimaan album as a masterpiece from IR.
I can't wait to listen. Today night I will get.
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RR,
I am just guessing.. I am not any expert in this.. I guess IR is using Tonic Shift ( Shruthibetham )- I guess Ketkaliyeo Ketkaliyo is set in MM but set 5 notes higher - which is Sudha Saveri.. IR is THE king in Shruthibetham and has always exploited this technique.. I would love to hear someone else's opinion on this.. that way 2 data points against 1 each ( mine and RR's would give us some more clue..
man this song is on repeat mode for the last 2 hours..
Mumbai Ramki, The lyrics of Nethu varaikkum sound pretty folkish ..or shd i say rustic ..i kind of like folk lyrics..so i liked it.. Buti got what you meant.. Great song..
not sure when i will go to sleep .. the more i get into these songs.. Hmmm
Cheers
MSK
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..masterpiece?? no its just normal ...
instruments are horrible
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Oru Porkaalam is just like ENNA THAALATTU from friends
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i mean kaadhalukk mariyaada
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MSK,
Now I think it should be suddha dhanyasi..
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IR releasing background score of TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR
as seperate album
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17237.html
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[quote="krihoo"][size=18]IR releasing background score of TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR
as seperate album
idhenna koothu? "Anjali" oda rehashkka indha aarbaattam?
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Krihoo, thanks for the news! Great to hear this. Very eager to hear the BGM!
thanks,
Krishnan
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thumburu,
Is TTLS a rehash of anjali ? Any pointers for that claim ??
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here is the gallery for the TTLS press meet!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/8188.html
thanks
Krishnan
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ennai ketkum passes muster, but recently IR had a much superior simmendhramadhyamam in ennai enna seidhaai(by Sudha Raghunadhan) from Ivan and several phrases of that song has been rehashed and repeated here. Tippu is over-exuberant in his rendition at times. The violin section is a pale reminder of what IR was capable of in his "aanandha ragam" days.(Incidentally Vidhyasagar had mentioned aanandha raagam when he was talking about the different MDs and his favourite songs of theirs in a column)
Rest of the songs all have a strong deja vu feel to them, with the same rhythm/scales and nothing surprising anyhwere. Surprisingly even Sujatha's voice seems to have lost a certain bit of appeal.
The one duet sung by Karthik is a bit appealing but follows the recent
oliyile therivadhu-andha naaL gnyaabagam pattern of melodies.
Synth usage, especially for the rhythm section in many songs is still a bit disappointing.
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i dont find this album great by any standards..just avg..i guess IR has such high standards in the past that even he cant reach it now. Synth is definitely not his cup of tea and he should strictly refrain from using it..it sounds almost amateurish. Another problem is lyrics..total crap..gone are the days of poetry.
Thnnnnnnank goddddd he didnt use any synth and SPOIL TIS/TBI/TIO
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i was talking about KM
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please read ."i guess IR has set such high standards in the past that.." in previous post
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Similarities
Nethu varaikkum - Allolankili (Siraichalai) & Ayira meenu kulambu (Kummi paattu)
Vaanin kaathal - deva malligai (nadigan) & kathal neethana (time)?
Oru Porkaalam - Enna thalatta (KM)
Ketkalayo ketkalayo - Kaatril varum (ONOK)?
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wow Twinkle Twinkle Little Star soooper tunes.....
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looks like TTLS s gonna be big hit and IR gonna create big news .....
things are very different with this project...see the link
http://www.chennaionline.com/film/Onlocation/2005/04twinkle.asp
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Sanjeevi,
ketkaliyo - paattu solli (azhagi) but this one is more melodious!
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rajdes wrote: |
Sanjeevi,
ketkaliyo - paattu solli (azhagi) but this one is more melodious! |
rajdes, do you feel the similarity between nethu varaikum and alolankili (siraichalai).
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just heard Kasturi maan songs for a change i think Kasthuri maan songs are really good, 4 out of 5 songs are good, one of the songs sounds like 80's songs, but among the kuthu paadalgal good to hear melodious numbers from ilayaraja.
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just heard Kasturi maan songs for a change i think Kasthuri maan songs are really good, 4 out of 5 songs are good, one of the songs sounds like 80's songs, but among the kuthu paadalgal good to hear melodious numbers from ilayaraja.
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interz wrote: |
just heard Kasturi maan songs for a change i think Kasthuri maan songs are really good, 4 out of 5 songs are good, one of the songs sounds like 80's songs, but among the kuthu paadalgal good to hear melodious numbers from ilayaraja. |
thanks for the word. did the CD released already. god bless you man for bringing this news.
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Kasthirumaan songs have already been released and discussed in earlier pages. mp3s were uploaded by rajasaranam here
http://rapidshare.de/files/5955689/KASTHOORIMAAN.zip.html
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I am hearing the songs in "Kasthurimaan" right now, and I think that, yes, you fellows are right on that the songs sound like rehashes. The worst of all is "Oru Porkaalam Thodanguthe," which sounds so much like "Ennai Thaalaatta Varuvaalo" that it's not even funny. "Nethu Varaikkum" sounds like a hybrid mix of "Aalolangkili Thoppile" (Siraichalai) and "Vayasu Pulla Vayasu Pulla" (Annan). "Ketkaliyo Ketkaliyo" is a very melodious song based on raga Suddhadhanyaasi. If only the hi-tech orchestration in the song "Ennai Ketkum Kelviye" were done away with and replaced with natural instruments, the song might have really gone places. Actually, it reminds me somewhat of the song "Raakkuyil Paadi" in the Malayalam film of the same name in the song's pattern. That song was by Ouseppachan. Finally, the song "Vaanin Kadhal" is the kind of catchy but cheesy song. Overall, I'd suggest you approach this soundtrack with low expectations, and you won't be disappointed.
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Check here : http://www.tamilnapster.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=505
I just grabbed songs from there !!
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100 words.
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com/
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Here's a trivial fact: the beginning of the song (about the first 5 seconds) is exactly like IR's earlier song "Holi Holi Holi" (Rasukutti).
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Nitya,
which song in Kasturiman are you referring to. thanks. MSK
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kasthuriman songs sound like typical malayALam songs post 2000...kAdhai thunbuRuththAdha menmaikku Rajavukku nandRi sollalAm...`ennaikkEtkum' ending is very catchy i.e. when the female voice arrives with dhiranana stuff...however, the male voice is quite rough...miss SPB there...
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cry_sandiego
It has to be Keykalayo Ketkalayo !
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Oru Porkalamma sounds like ennai thaalattu from kadhalikku mariyadhai
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Yep, I was referring to "Ketkaliyo Ketkaliyo."
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As a HCIRF, very disappointed with Kasthuriman.
Run-of-the-mill stuff... frankly, none of the songs are worth a second hearing.
As some one said, the album has deja-vu written all over it.
Synth sucks.
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Teja
I heard the Tippu song on dhool, the violin piece was good. Otherwise a very average song.
Any news on the movies by Teja and Vamsi. With the way IR goes, I am afraid those may turn out to be a wash-out too.
Are there no sensible people who are close to him, who can advise him the truth of what was happening and give him a correct picture on the quality of music he dishes?
Bala
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TTLS audio released.... news is that KR's three year old son has sung in the movie!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17377.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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How did TTLS songs get "released" way before the audio was officially released?
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From chennaionline.com
Hungarians perform BGM for Ilayaraja
Renowned music director Ilayaraja has performed the
background music score for the forthcoming film
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star with the Hungarian
Symphony Orchestra, bringing them all the way to
Chennai for the recording. The film is being made
simultaneously in four languages (Tamil, Hindi, Telugu
and Malayalam) by producer Verghese for Welgate
Cinemafox (P) Ltd.
Speaking after the recording session at Prasad Studios
in Chennai, Ilayaraja said he wanted to compose the
back ground score in a different manner for the film
as it has an unusual storyline.
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So.. IRs philosophy seems simple. Concentrate on the BGM and make the songs simple.
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TTLS audio was released officially several months ago by Budding Actor Shreekanth as chief Guest , and there was a round of discussion on the album few months ago, I got the CD in June in Bangalore, It is not totally a rehash , few numbers are good definitely not comparable to Anjali or any other previous Mallu albums.
Hey Vijay, did u get to watch IR's interview on Jaya
( Numtv) was there any new thing or was it the same old, naan oru Puzhu maadhiri, naan edhuvum pudhusa seyyalae, sundari kannal oru saedhi, taamarai kodiyil; etc..., just curious.
Kasthuri mAan, songs first listen, perhaps the most rehashed album in recent times by Mottai I think, in every song there was Deja vu and resemblence
Teja,
did u notice, "Balapam Patti" song ( bobbili Raja) the bit where it goes Am ahaa... ,resemblence in one of the songs?
Prabhudas
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Balaji,
Not sure about Vamsy's film. In last 2 yearrs, he has made many such announcements... about his patch up with IR. Nothing happened so far. I wouldn't count on Vamsy's statements. More oevr, Vamsy lost his magical touch. His last 2 films have been cheap and silly. Not sure if Vamsy's picturisation can inspire IR now!
However IR's other telugu film by dir. Teja - "Ninna, nedu, repu" is happening.
Prabhudas,
Not sure which one. Haven't paid that close attention...
On TTLS... "Ethetho Janmathil" by KSC is a classic. Can't wait for its telugu version!
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prabhudas...yes the line "yennai vittu engey ponaalum" from "ketkaliyo ketkaliyo" is the exactly "ammaha anta ammadu" from "balapam patti"...
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Off topic,
Did any Bangalore TFMers get a chance to listen to Kannada Movie " Geeya Geeya" by Bhavatharini as MD. Has got some very good reviews by many Kannada audio folks, with 4 melodies with heavy resemblance of IR work,
one more "Kalyana Parisu" from Daddy?
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Aha thats the movie name is it? Heard a very nice sounding SPB song one of the evenings in Radiocity. The RJ announced grandly that the music is by Bhava and thats why it has shades of IR in it...but she, in typical Radiocity style, did not announce the film's name. Lemme try to get hold of this album!
Karthik
http://www.itwofs.com
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Sorry, no SPB in this soundtrack I suppose!
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/18/s/movie_name.8080/
Must've been the effect of a multitude of vehicles trying to get on my way from HSR layout while I was hopelessly waiting for some stray cop to come to my rescue, on the ring road. (Finally, in case you're curious, nobody came and I had drive like a Bangalorean to get home).
Karthik
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That kannada movie name is "geeya geeya".This movie is yet to be released.Radiocity Fm plays one particular song from this movie quite frequently.It was not sung by SPB and was sung by rajeev balakrishnan (as was mentioned in that channel)..The song strats like "cheluviya" i guess.
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Enjoy Pithamagan last 15 minutes of BGM !!!
I can write a big big essay on these pieces - Truly raaja is king of kings in BGM !!!!
sometimes the sound is un even ..sorry for that ..vikram's roare tears my ear really !!!Lot of scenes ,they should have muted the voices and used music instead - It cld have been effective !!
http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=18CVK68FSI39T2ACW0LLALL83Y
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inetk wrote: |
Aha thats the movie name is it? Heard a very nice sounding SPB song one of the evenings in Radiocity. The RJ announced grandly that the music is by Bhava and thats why it has shades of IR in it...but she, in typical Radiocity style, did not announce the film's name. Lemme try to get hold of this album!
Karthik
http://www.itwofs.com |
This Rajesh sounds like the same guy who sang 'megamaai vanthu pogiren' (thullaadha manamum thullum) and one more song in Maayi.
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IR performs and audience applauds !!!
http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/17/stories/2005101713870500.htm
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/1/8223.html
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TIS_AUSTIN, thanks for the link. I was really wondering howcome IndiaGlitz has only three pictures of this concert when I posted the earlier link!
Looks like there are lots of other singers aswell like Uma Ramanan, Sadhana, Mano, swarnalatha, etc who performed. My guess is they performed the "Kaatril Varum Geetham" song as I saw all five (IR, Shreya, Sadhana, Hariharan, Bhava together on stage).
Very nice to see the pics and extremely paining not to experience the concert live . Anyway, I am hoping to see the concert sometime soon on Jaya TV!
As some reviews pointed out...nice sets and looks like it was a fairly large orchestra(?).
thanks,
Krishnan
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http://www.telugucinema.com/c/movies/teja_oct1805.php
Dir Teja shelves his film Nadu,Nedu,Repu with IR's music for the moment.
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Krish,
Nice to see SPB and IR togather after long time
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/10/21/stories/2005102102540100.htm
Popular malayALam MD Jayachandran says IR is his fav MD:-)
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Is IR still working with losers like these?
http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News34/20-10-05/tamil-movies-news-velu.html
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http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/22/stories/2005102207240400.htm
"Ilayaraja has composed a special anthem for the event, the lyrics for which were penned by poets from each of the four languages and Kamal's daughter Shruthi Hassan."
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http://kamal-aakarsh.blogspot.com/2005/10/time-for-heroes_23.html
check out the above blog...this guy describing the song composed by IR for "AIDS awareness" as out of the world!
thanks,
Krishnan
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report on Rediff about "AIDS Cause":
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/oct/24gere.htm
thanks,
Krishnan
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I'd seen the film `Shall we dance' recently and enjoyed it (musical - with ball room dances, Gere & JLO)...didn't realize that it's the same Gere who's the hero of this show...Looks like he has a couple of piano compositions to his credit too...vAzhga!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000152/
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Many Hollywood actors are multitalented. Eastwood acted, directed and composed score for his recent Oscar winning film Million dollar baby. Namma oorula Kamal mattum dhaan appadi.
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Chinmayi mentions in her blog that this show should be on Sun TV soon.
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http://dinamalar.com/2005oct23varamalar/thunuk.asp
...I remember the movie IR signed up with MGR as `unnai vida mAttEn', which could not be started due to MGR getting busy as CM. This seems to be another news...
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vijayr wrote: |
Many Hollywood actors are multitalented.
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Very true, starting from Charlie Chaplin....
vijayr wrote: |
Namma oorula Kamal mattum dhaan appadi. |
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alwarpet, the report in kamal aakarsh's blog says that Kamal also played ghatam during the show along with Jayaram on mridhungam. I didnt know that he could play a percussion instrument too. I guess the theme song by IR should be interesting especially if Kamal was involved in its making. If someone can get and upload that song(along with the 1996 world beauty pagent theme composed by IR) it would be great.
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vijayr wrote: |
Chinmayi mentions in her blog that this show should be on Sun TV soon. |
Dec 1st World AIDS day.
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vijayr wrote: |
alwarpet, the report in kamal aakarsh's blog says that Kamal also played ghatam during the show along with Jayaram on mridhungam. I didnt know that he could play a percussion instrument too. I guess the theme song by IR should be interesting especially if Kamal was involved in its making. If someone can get and upload that song(along with the 1996 world beauty pagent theme composed by IR) it would be great. |
Kamal learned Carnatic from Dr BMK. He plays piano (read long time back in kumudham with Kamal standing next to piano - probably when I was doing my 2nd/3rd bsc). Ghatam seems to be a new addition to his "sakalakala" skills. He even mentioned in IR concert that he could compose but dont want to be competing with IR!!! KH also said in a recent interview that his daughter could be composing soon.
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Jayaram is a good percussionist. He played the "cheNdai" during some festival in thrissur/tvm. Kamal playing ghatam is news to me.
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njv wrote: |
Kamal learned Carnatic from Dr BMK. He plays piano (read long time back in kumudham with Kamal standing next to piano - probably when I was doing my 2nd/3rd bsc). Ghatam seems to be a new addition to his "sakalakala" skills. He even mentioned in IR concert that he could compose but dont want to be competing with IR!!! KH also said in a recent interview that his daughter could be composing soon. |
START DISGRESSION:
u guys are forgetting
T.Rajendran:
1.Actor
2.Director
3.Music director
4.Dialogue writer
5.Screenplay
6.Editor
7.Magazine editor
8.Father of "little super star"
edhu eppadi irukkudhu???
END DISGRESSION
on a more serious note, i think even Ilayaraja himself is a gr8 musician and a gud lyricist , older days actress bhanumati is also called "ashtavadhani" (person who can do 8 things at a time) , chandrababu used to sing and was an excellent comedian..........so we do have a whole range of multi-talented ppl. in TF.......not just kamal
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Maddy, you have forgotten one more talent of IR. He is a great photographer too.
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Ilaiyaraaja at Manodhodu Mazhaikkaalam movie launch!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/8253.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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http://www.idlebrain.com/news/functions/heroesproject.html
Snapshots from the 'Time for heroes'programme.
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krish244,
Is KR the MD for this film ?
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
krish244,
Is KR the MD for this film ? |
yes, i saw the wall poster
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Nitya wrote: |
I... Overall, I'd suggest you approach this soundtrack with low expectations, and you won't be disappointed. |
I am afraid you may be right in your suggestion
Oru porkalam..sounds like an older song to me, which I cannot put my finger on..To me it does not sound like ennai thaalatta..
Vaanin kaadhal sounds very dated in orchestration. It is these kinds of songs which affect image of IR, rather than the standard tabla melodies, I think.
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are the twinkle twinkle little star songs available online anywhere?
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U can listen to the Twinkle twinkle little star in www.oosai.com, they have the newest tracks.
or else u can download at your own risk in sites like
www.tamilmasala.net
www.tamilbeat.com
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yedhedho jenmathil was the only decent song in the mallu version. But that too sounds jaded here in the tamil version because of the poor choice of the female singer. KJY sounds awful, glad that he didnt sing in TIS
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http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/oct/26tn.htm
Is YSR living with IR? (This clip says both ARR & YSR had IT raids...)
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TTLS supposed to have IR's grandson singing...
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17377.html
Remember anjali-anjali-anjali song had KR/YSR/Bhava...it continues...
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thanks for the links interz
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Guys
TTLS is a very mediocre album. Somehow the songs remind us of Anjali, albeit not being of the same class.
TTLS song is a OK song. Somehow I feel that there is an impediment on IR's thought process - Just Anjali songs breaks all the barriers and flow like a river. TTLS somehow gets blockaded frequently (as if IR is playing Nimzowistch)......
In contrast to that, Gajini songs r just fabulous.
As a lover of IR music for the past 25 years, I feel that it is time for us to move on to HJ, ARR and VS.
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vem wrote: |
Guys
TTLS is a very mediocre album. Somehow the songs remind us of Anjali, albeit not being of the same class.
TTLS song is a OK song. Somehow I feel that there is an impediment on IR's thought process - Just Anjali songs breaks all the barriers and flow like a river. TTLS somehow gets blockaded frequently (as if IR is playing Nimzowistch)......
In contrast to that, Gajini songs r just fabulous.
As a lover of IR music for the past 25 years, I feel that it is time for us to move on to HJ, ARR and VS. |
move on. i am here to stay.
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IR will be scoring for "AADUM KOOTHU" (remake of malayalam movie "Padam Onnu Oru Vilapam"):
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17736.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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I am sorry...its not a "remake" of that malayalam movie. Its just that its going to the debut movie of the director of that malayalam movie!
thanks,
Krishnan
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Movie Review of Kasthurimaan..
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/review/7456.html
About IR's music it says:
"....Ilayaraja as usual comes up with melodious tunes that fits the story...."
No seperate mention about BGM!
thanks,
Krishnan
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Hi Vem, We will miss you in this forum !. Hope you find what you are looking for in non-IR's music. Good Luck.
On a related note, I have been reading this and " IR composing technique " thread for the last several months.. and my observation is. ( again no offense meant.. )
The interesting thing is that many fans (like Vijayr for ex ) who repeatedyly are dissappointed with IR's songs - say there are more duds/mediocre songs of IR than his good ones etc are predominantly seen on IR threads.
They say IR's music for the most part does not interest them any more , % of dundams/duds/mediocre/rehash way outweigh the % of good ones etc etc.. but it is interesting to see them not being able to move on and still active in IR forums !! .
it's also interesting to see why there are not more threads on either the yesteryear MDs like MSV's great melodies" , " Lowest % of duds by MSV in TFM history" , or on contemporary MDs like " HJ's composing technique".. " Vidyasagar's counterpoints" , " Shruthibetham in ARR songs" and the likes..
It would appear to me that these people should have lost any interest in IR and his music forums given his very low % of good songs in the last several years.. Hmm .. that seems to me like- IR attracts more interest in these forums inspite of his huge % of duds !!!
Cheers
MSK
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MSK, as bad as IRs recent albums have been I still check every one of them out (just like I do YSR's even though I am not a fan of his stuff). But that doesnt mean I dont listen to other MDs or new non-IR stuff. If you have been to other threads you will know that I post there too.
"it's also interesting to see why there are not more threads on either the yesteryear MDs like MSV's great melodies" , " Lowest % of duds by MSV in TFM history" ,
There are. Check out a whole section called "yesteryears". With many of the older DFers either moving on or having shifted to dhool participation in those threads have probably gone down a bit.BTW, I dont see anything new in IR's threads either, same old flour being ground again. Most of the noteworthy songs and topics have been discussed in 98 itself and are just being recycled, thats all.
In fact its the "current topics" and "ARR's albums" sections thats getting a lot of attention/activity indicating many IR fans(like vem) have indeed moved on or have left TFMDF for good. And a new generation of participants/DFers have taken over.
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"The re-recording at times has a `Kadhalukku Mariyadhai' touch, while the melodies are thoroughly enjoyable and typically Raja. The positive lyric of the `Oru Porkaalam ... ' song makes you sit up"
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/10/28/stories/2005102802900200.htm
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If we watch postings of vijayr, one can easily figure out his main aim is to provide damaging feedback of IR albums as quick as possible with an ultimate goal of writing off IR. So IR fans can ignore his comments.
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cms, thanks for the good humour. Please find all the positive feedback for COA album in this thread (apart from my post), good luck
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cms wrote: |
If we watch postings of vijayr, one can easily figure out his main aim is to provide damaging feedback of IR albums as quick as possible with an ultimate goal of writing off IR. So IR fans can ignore his comments. |
No one can writeoff IR. Vem leaving is like "Ikkaraikku akkaraipachchai" - so he will come back. Like IR said, you want a pop-corn, so eat it. I am sure it cant be your meal every single day.
I moved from IR (just like Vem) to ARR but after 95, I said "why am I fooling myself" and then stick to IR. I listen to all albums, ARR, IR, VS, HJ etc, but it is IR songs which opens up my day, like Subrapatham, and it is IR songs which ends my day. From recent songs, I am addicted to Nalla Vaazvu, Kajuraho, Kaatuvizhi, Oru Porkalam. I was listening to Viumandi yesterday after long time and IR took me to places where I have never been before.
Whats important (to me) when I listen to the songs is the flow. How naturally it flows thru my ear, heart, mind. I think IR songs tend to flow much better than anyone else in my ear and so does in millions of ppl around the world.
IR - where music start and end.
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<MSK, as bad as IRs recent albums have been I still check every one of them out (just like I do YSR's even though I am not a fan of his stuff). >
Why Vijayr.. if the numbers are so astounding and I heard comments from you that it is only getting worse every year..
I am not trying to criticize you here , but just curious what still makes you even sample a CD from IR ( and for christ sake how do you expect a non-dud one from YSR if IR's numbers do not meet your expectation ) where the probability that a song will meet your expectation is pretty bleak and is not getting better by the day. ( Ofcourse TiS is an exception i guess.. not sure if the CD met the decent % threshold of yours )
Second, even if you are sampling just to check out what others think about an IR album, the chances of the song falling under your "Dud" category but praised by the majority of the hubbers here are high ( from what i have seen so far the last couple of years ). So is this a right forum for you to get the information you are looking for.?
Third, this one I am not kidding . On any subject/issue/person, positive comments can be redundant, repetetive and generous. But Negative and repeated comments about shd be at a minimum. Infact the worst criticism an album can get is no mention of it anywhere.. On the other hand, repeated negative criticism ( your broken record comment " IR's hit rate sucked in the 80's and got even worse in the 90s, MSV and other MD's maintained a flawless hit rate etc..) would not be taken very well.. Infact i read through all the 24 pages of " IR's composing technique" thread and very similar to your observation of IR hit rate, your repeated chanting of the same thing( which for argumentative sake i can call "dud" posts ) outweighed your excellent good reviews of the many positive aspects of the music ( though you were mostly responding/defending to others comments )
Anyway, i am sorry for taking the liberty of chiding you on this issue.. Just giving a different perspective.. you do not have to defend this one too. and I will not discuss this again.. Happy ending
Like many others in this forum, I am enjoying Kasturiman and ONOK albums. Yeah there are some numbers in each that I do not like that much. But that is that. I stop my analysis at that. I write a lot about the stuff i like though.
Sorry guys for my digression.
Cheers
MSK
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CMS,
Vijayr is just frustrated with COA for some reason. His comment on the "fastest composed IR albums' was IR composed for COA in 45 seconds.. That clearly shows he does not like the songs and is upset That's fine.
I would say if you have not listened to COA, I would definitely recommend 2 songs in that album - 1. Ponna pirantha and 2. Nalla vazhvu. These are not the best ones that IR has produced in recent times, but definitely decent songs.
Infact I liked Nalla vazhvu and after the seeing the visuals on SUN TV, i guess the song fitted the situtaion ( so did the lyrics ) very well.
thanks
MSK
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cry_sandiego,
Can't be said better than you did.
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I agree with the comment on COA. When you see it with the movie, the songs fit the situations so well.
I had been a regular in this thread but have left in disgust because there are a few who jump to conclusion so quickly in denigrating any new IR album that comes out, but insted of just stating that it is their opinion they try to browbeat others who may find the album good until they agree to their negative opinion.
Also hypocritical will be the standards they will have for IR compared to the others - for eg will criticize negatively on IR albums on the first hearing but argue that yo have to listen to other's albums a few times to appreciate them.
It becomes worthless to continue a discussion with such posters. Hence I am away. I check the IR albums page for info on new albums from IR and buy them and enjoy.
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MSK, if you take a look around you will find that many regulars here and not just me, being unhappy with COA. Same with TTLS, you can check comments of others- it will be mixed reviews at best.Go back and read old responses. So its not just me. COA is medicore.
Even njv here said it was an average album. If you like it so be it, I am not going to chide you for it
"I am not trying to criticize you here , but just curious what still makes you even sample a CD from IR"
Like I said earlier I sample songs of most popular MDs, as a regular TFM listener. With IR, its more so in the hope that he would atleast have one good song in an album.
"On the other hand, repeated negative criticism ( your broken record comment " IR's hit rate sucked in the 80's and got even worse in the 90s, MSV and other MD's maintained a flawless hit rate etc..) would not be taken very well.."
As for what I said in IR's composing technique thread, why discuss it now? Like you said I was defending myself against some absurd comments and its a topic that's been done and over with. And I had to unfortunately repeat myself for the benefit of those who didnt understand (or pretended not to) my points.Plus there were several ppl with whom I was talking to, in that thread and hence had to explain my stance to each one of them thus resulting in repetition. Anyways I disagree that criticism should be minimum and only blind praise should be prevalent everywhere.If you want to participate in such a forum you should be only posting in IR Yahoo fans club or some such group where no criticism is officially allowed IR's recent albums invite criticism IMO and I dont mid expressing it here along with several others who feel the same way (like vem, nithya etc.)
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On the other hand, Iam curious as to why you keep reading my posts and remembering my comments(even the insignifcant ones like the 45sec comment) knowing very well my taste and judgement. (and especially when I am not the only who has expressed his displeasure over some of IR's recent stuff)
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vem wrote: |
Guys
TTLS is a very mediocre album. Somehow the songs remind us of Anjali, albeit not being of the same class.
TTLS song is a OK song. Somehow I feel that there is an impediment on IR's thought process - Just Anjali songs breaks all the barriers and flow like a river. TTLS somehow gets blockaded frequently (as if IR is playing Nimzowistch)......
In contrast to that, Gajini songs r just fabulous.
As a lover of IR music for the past 25 years, I feel that it is time for us to move on to HJ, ARR and VS. |
oh..man this is really sad.
Like somebody said here, I really hope you find what you enjoy best in other MD's work.
Inspite of the so-called 'duds' IR is still the prime source of popular tamil music for me. Here are my reasons -
Subjective
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1. Music has a nice flow from pallavi - interlude-charanam-interlude-pallavi.
2. There is a tenderness in the tune.
3. There is a depth of emotion/poignancy to the music.
4. Notes sit very well with the lyrics. Most good MDs do this well (I think YSR has some holes there). This aspect is achieved by g
Objective
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1. Music has a flow. I think this aspect has a technical nature as well. According to Vel, a rough estimate shows around 50-60% of IR's songs stick to the same raagam.
2. Strings composition in IRs songs are much more complex and interesting. And I think strings go very well with indian melodies.
3. The harmony parts in IR's songs are much more complex than in other MDs works. (This does not mean all his songs have complex harmony layers). I have never seen better counterpoints in any other Indian MDs works .
4. Each song is a good mixture of vocal and instrumental work (interludes).
5. Basslines in any IR is more complex than the more prominent bass in modern MD's work.
and many more I can't put down right now.
Currently, bad lyrics, standard rhythm arrangements and uninspired tunes seem to plague his film songs. But look at TIS, that is mind-blowing..that is the kind of work that interests him..Unfortunately, the audience for such is not that much.
Anyways, you would notice many of the positive aspects I noted above are there even in these 'duds'. So I am perennially hopeful of finding a gem in any new work of IR, i.e even in a film song.
(BTW, did you say Ghajini..man I should go back and listen to it.. I listened to a few songs and none of them captured my attention. I liked ARR's work in two songs in ah aaah though, that intro song was a blast )
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Vijayr,
I am sorry ....you are out there ..beyond....now i can understand the frustration of the folks in the IR composing tech thread.
Anyways Good luck.
Cheers
MSK
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"I am sorry ....you are out there ..beyond....now i can understand the frustration of the folks in the IR composing tech thread. "
MSK, whats that supposed to mean?I have explained my stance clearly above.
If you have something concrete to say then do so, instead of taking personal jabs at DFers who dont happen to agree with your taste. Have I chided you anytime for liking songs that I consider mediocre? No. So try to extend the same courtesy.
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Guys
I am not a big fan of fast masala songs Even today, in bad mood, I just go to Akkarai cheemayil and Chinna thayaval songs to calm myself.
Infact I didnt like any masala song until so far.
But then, when I watched Gajini, the songs fitted so well with the movie and picturization was somehow great. Then I told myself that I am not going to criticize about similarity/repetition in HJ's or ARR's songs here afterwards.
Just accept blindly and enjoy if possible from here afterwards (vathalo thothalo, poosunadho poosaadhado as in Singara Velan).
After that, I somehow couldnt resist listening to TTLS - Man - I got frustrated with the predictability/mediocrity.
Even though I goaded people to leave IR, it is with a lot of pain and sadness - after all IR's 80s,90s songs will stay for ever.
But then ARR, VS and other MDs such as HJ r making waves and I feel that even though they cannot match IR in melodies, their music is still pleasant to hear and sometimes funny too (in murdering TAMIL).
This forum is for expressing opinions freely and not intended for offending/maligning anybody.
Take it easy,
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whatever we say, it doesnt matter. i will keep visiting only this thread in Tfmpage and my contribution will be there for ever in this thread (sometimes frustration)
afterall I just cannot forget IR and my expectation will be there for every IR album in future
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Vem,
you shouldn't have done this
Well i saw Ghajini on the first day and had sever headache whenever the songs played except 'Suttum vizhi' I dont find any of the songs were good.
Iam happily listening to IR's Kasturimaan, COA, AOKK, ONOK etc., and when i get bored try digging out IR's lost gems from Coolgoose and listen to them. some of my recent finds were ' Idhaya Mazhai' from Aalukoru aasai, 'Aavaram kaatukkul' from Archanai pookal and 'Uriginen' from Anney anney [Mouli avar padathukku ippadi oru excellent songaaaa ]
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my feelings about TTLS songs:
1) Salasalakkum Kaatre:
Promising prelude and fastens up later to match the fast pallavi. "...kaaka reeya..." thing is catchy. Endha tribe'lerndhu pudichaangalo indha vaarthaiya . Percursions (arabian/tribal pattern or whatever) throughout song is interesting and helps the pace of the song. First interlude starts with the percursions with flute pieces & trumpets....and at the end, IR brings it to a halt with a twist that he is so known for. Charanam tune is typical of IR's style and good. Interesting is that the percursions again starts when Manjari starts "naan vaangum...". Second interlude is a bit simpler, but ok. Tippu & Manjari has given it the exhuberance needed. Tippu in the process of being stylish/enthu, should also make sure the words are heard fairly clearly (the 2nd charanam). Karthik has eased through the song. Asha is ok. Overall the song is enjoyable. It could get better with good picturisation.
2) Thudikithu:
I liked the prelude music. Soft beats with flute/synth pattern tune. The pallavi, humming & the beat pattern instantly takes us to "Aasaiya Kaathula.." song. Interludes are nothing great. Karthik impresses. Sometimes I dont like Manjari's nasal induced voice. On the whole, the tune has a deja-vu feeling to it, but still listenable.
3) Twinkle Twinkle: Seems like a song for the kids. Has a catchy & simple pallavi with constant beat pattern. Interludes are ok with some funny sounds sparkled here & there. Good picturisation can make this song gain attention amongs kids. I listened to both version of this song. None of them has Master Yatheeshwar sing much. He sings only the beginning two to three sentences at the beginning of the song and thats it. Other singers has done justification to the song.
4) Magic Journey: Seems like a kids fun song. The prelude could have been more grander for this kind of a song. I was just thinking of the prelude of "Chiraga.." (song from My dear kuttichaathan)...man that was great. Pallavi is again sort of catchy. Synth sort of strings that begins the first interlude is good, but why synth and also I felt interludes could have been better. An ok song. Kids probably may like it.
5) Hey! You: You make a IR hardcore fan hear this song and he/she will not believe that it is by IR This song does not follow any particular pattern. Ranjith has given the right feeling to the song. Picturisation may make kids enjoy this song.
6) Engengo Pokindra: I like this song the best in the album. A good & soothing song. Interludes are pretty decent aswell. Although in a few places Jesudas's age shows up, he has sung it very well. I did not like Manjari's version much. Some other female singer should have sung the song.
On the whole I would say one should not expect something like the mammoth "Anjali". Its an "ok" album. I will treasure "Engengo" (only jesudas version), Salasalkkum Kaatre & "Twinkle Twinkle" (for my kids ) & maybe "Thudikithu..".
Once again I would request IR to reduce synth usage and increase usage of strings sections, trumpets, etc. He has brought deja-vu feelings to the tunes....why not give us the deja-vu feelings of those grand interludes???
thanks,
Krishnan
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vem wrote: |
whatever we say, it doesnt matter. i will keep visiting only this thread in Tfmpage and my contribution will be there for ever in this thread (sometimes frustration)
afterall I just cannot forget IR and my expectation will be there for every IR album in future |
Yep, same with every one of IR fans.
Rajasaranam sir, I will try out the other songs that you mentioned. Never heard them b4.
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vem wrote: |
Guys
I am not a big fan of fast masala songs Even today, in bad mood, I just go to Akkarai cheemayil and Chinna thayaval songs to calm myself.
Infact I didnt like any masala song until so far.
But then, when I watched Gajini, the songs fitted so well with the movie and picturization was somehow great. Then I told myself that I am not going to criticize about similarity/repetition in HJ's or ARR's songs here afterwards.
Just accept blindly and enjoy if possible from here afterwards (vathalo thothalo, poosunadho poosaadhado as in Singara Velan).
After that, I somehow couldnt resist listening to TTLS - Man - I got frustrated with the predictability/mediocrity.
Even though I goaded people to leave IR, it is with a lot of pain and sadness - after all IR's 80s,90s songs will stay for ever.
But then ARR, VS and other MDs such as HJ r making waves and I feel that even though they cannot match IR in melodies, their music is still pleasant to hear and sometimes funny too (in murdering TAMIL).
This forum is for expressing opinions freely and not intended for offending/maligning anybody.
Take it easy, |
Gajini songs.U mean to say ALL songs in this movie are good? when 1 or 2 of the songs get popular, u call the album superb one.Y not his applies to IR?Add to that the background score of HJ is very very predictable as is his songs.
we are used to such negligence all the time.. When sachin scores 7 fifties in his 10 innings,majority of the indians are not happy with that.They keep saying he hasn't scored a century in the last 10 matches.But,when an average player makes three fifties in 10 matches,media nad public appreciiate him a lot.I guess, this example fits here perfectly.very sad
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Try listening to the orachestra (moods) from IRs' italy concert.One of my friends had downloaded this 8 minute piece(only instruments) in his PC.It is absolutely mind blowing. This is available in Mohankumars MP3 forums.Listen to it,if u haven't yet.
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Vem, I hope you are not upset with my post. I do respect. But all I wanted to say was, there are some areas which other MDs are still not doing it right or not doing it by choice (like ARR) . So these sort of music will not appeal to people like me.
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TTLS is very good , not really excellent, but very good. engengo is a masterpiece..this one for complexity/mature stuff ..twinkle twinkle little star for the simplicity.. I am enjoying both..(obviously, the Maestro thinks not just the italians even the new generation gotta hear the aasaiya kaththula song )
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The Ranjith song in TTLS has its prelude ripped off Viju Shah's "Gupt" song (bechaniyaan). Or IR has used the same sound samples as Viju Shah did from a common source. This is from the same IR who claimed(or boasted) in one of the TIS programmes that he doesnt use any readmade sound samples/off the shelf samplers etc.
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T V Chandran's (noted mallu dir) next movie has its score composed by Raja.
http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News35/29-10-05/tamil-movies-news-cheran.html
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Kiru
Definitely not. Looks lile Kasthuriman is a sure hit acc to Deccan Herald paper.
Happy Diwali !!!
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vijayr wrote: |
The Ranjith song in TTLS has its prelude ripped off Viju Shah's "Gupt" song (bechaniyaan). Or IR has used the same sound samples as Viju Shah did from a common source. This is from the same IR who claimed(or boasted) in one of the TIS programmes that he doesnt use any readmade sound samples/off the shelf samplers etc. |
I think he said..he is using it moderately ..if I remember 'ilai maraikkAyAi'..maybe this time it did not 'maraichufy' that well..
Anyways, the song has a 80s flavor..which the 'in' crowd may not take to it..a wasted effort, I guess.
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DIGRESSION:
Hi,
Can anyone say where can i get the downloadable mp3 songs of 'KandhaSashtiKavasam' from net?
Thanks,
Gopi.
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vijayr wrote: |
The Ranjith song in TTLS has its prelude ripped off Viju Shah's "Gupt" song (bechaniyaan). Or IR has used the same sound samples as Viju Shah did from a common source. This is from the same IR who claimed(or boasted) in one of the TIS programmes that he doesnt use any readmade sound samples/off the shelf samplers etc. |
Well before Gupt song, AR Rahman fans will know that this particular sound/sample is also used in "Thiruda Thiruda" background score [or Chor Chor, as the track was released as its theme music]. Apparently its a commercial readymade sound sample.
I don't think raaja ever said that he will not use such things, but he never used readymade stuff usually. I also don't understand what forced him to use this sound here, as it was unnecessary IMHO.
I tend to think the possibility of other person's hand in the final mixing process, because if I know it right Raaja is not particularly savvy about ready made stuff. For his kind of songs he doesn't need them for that matter. Since this particular thing is unusal, it is noticed and we discuss here.
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There was other discussion somewhat relatd to this which claims ilayaraja usually does copying 'Elai marai kai'. I want to provide my opinion of this issue.
Raaja never needed to 'copy' anything. He is too great a music talent to look for other's stuff to put in his music. To understand his virtuasity itself needs some dedicated and evolved understanding of music on the listeners' part, which unfortunately is not that common.
If someone thinks that Ilayaraja copies, I don't want to argue them. All i would say is to suggest them hear and understand more music than go by the immature opinions like 'this sound is like that', etc.
Anbudan,
Ragu
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T.V.Chandran - well, i guess he will be able to extract a different dimension of IR in BGM but I hardly expect he will have songs in his movies - infact, mostly silence is BGM in his movies. Dont keep up too much expectations - even if he is forced to include songs as per Tamil producers' sensibilities, I dont think he has experience in choosing and picturising songs for his movies so IR may get away with another 45-second album!
Kastoori Maan - did like parts of it. Despite reminding atleast 3 different songs, Ketkalayo has me hooked - and it is one of the few IR songs which has made me addictive - I mean in the sort of "play it back to back for hours together" kind of addictiveness. This doesnt happen for me for most IR songs I like - I think mainly because they are so complete you dont feel the need to listen again immediately you just soak in the experience. However, this one seems to leave that Potato Chips kind of temporary addiction taste
Ennai Ketkum, save for Tippu's brash singing, is good, too.
Above everything else, atleast 3 songs from the movie are lively - a feature not always present in recent IR albums
Manjari is a good find.
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Regarding this usage of off-the shelf sample thing, I believe IR has already used it in the "masthana" song in Rasaiya. But looks like the good for nothing KR should be tampering with most of IR's songs of today to make it sound trendy. One can see thru a whale of difference in the treatment of "Kaatril varum geethame" which I believe IR took personal care and the other synth driven songs of ONOK where IR might have just composed the melody line and left the rest to KR.
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thumburu wrote: |
One can see thru a whale of difference in the treatment of "Kaatril varum geethame" which I believe IR took personal care and the other synth driven songs of ONOK where IR might have just composed the melody line and left the rest to KR. |
I dont knwo why people didnt talk about the remix version of Kaatril Varum Geethamae, which came in the original CD, not in movie. This must be KR's work. While it is done decent enough, if this was the only version released, then this album would have been gone unnoticed!
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24.10.2005 - Thiruvasagam Audio Sales - A Record
Ilaiyaraaja's Thiruvasagam - A Symphonic Oratorio has made history in sales, in Tamil Nadu. The audio distributors Well Gate say they have sold 35000 CDs and 25000 cassettes of the album. According to Landmark, a leading chain bookstore in Chennai, the Thiruvasagam audio sale has been "stunning". They have sold 10700 CDs and 2800 cassettes. As many as 3000 CDs were bought on the first day of release of audio (30th June 05). Odyssey, another major chain store in Chennai recorded good sales of 4000 CDs and 2500 cassettes of the audio. News Deccan Chronicle, 24 Oct 2005
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In other words any bad sounding synth interludes has to be due to KR and anything worthwhile(which is very rare) has got to be due to IR. Nice and convenient
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wow, just last week I was wondering what if Kamal had acted in TV Chandran flicks!!! This promises to be a cracker what with the likes of Madhu Ambat behind the lens, scenes in Nagercoil... but I'm thinking if it will be quite different from TVC's usual ones - Vivek, Manorama, Pandiarajan, Sriman in the cast..Perhaps we might have some songs going by the title.
Good one in the offing.
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vijayr wrote: |
In other words any bad sounding synth interludes has to be due to KR and anything worthwhile(which is very rare) has got to be due to IR. Nice and convenient |
Whats ur problem vijayr. If you dont like IR can u keep quite.
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njv, quieta irukkaradhukka forumukku varudhu?ungaLukku pudikkalainna padikkaatheenga en postsa. I just found it amusing,the whole blaming KR for every bad synth interlude. kayyila oru padam kooda illaama inga maximum thittu vaangara MD KR dhaan
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http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/news/2005/11/02/illayaraja.html
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vijayr wrote: |
kayyila oru padam kooda illaama inga maximum thittu vaangara MD KR dhaan |
Good one ...
But I heard KR is working on three / four movies now - all small budget may be, He has talent, But I don't see any possibilities of him becoming a front-line MD in near future
NagaS
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nagas, long time no see?
karthik raja - he has been showing promise for years now without much luck - seems to be a murali kartik case - gets a few chances - sometimes delivers big sometimes gives a ordinary performance and somehow, people only remember the poor performances
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kayyila oru padam kooda illaina kaiya kattindu chamatha irukkanam. Adhai vittuttu ippidi appa perai kedukkalamo?
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Read the first review of AOKK
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/review.php?id=13975843&ctid=5&cid=2429
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vijayr wrote: |
njv, quieta irukkaradhukka forumukku varudhu?ungaLukku pudikkalainna padikkaatheenga en postsa. I just found it amusing,the whole blaming KR for every bad synth interlude. kayyila oru padam kooda illaama inga maximum thittu vaangara MD KR dhaan |
Okay, you have Vijay vs Ajith and Vikram vs Surya forum for all these nonsense. I dont mind you criticising the music, but you end up criticising the people as if you are the authority. Yes, I am going to avoid your postings from now, no matter what.
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NagaS wrote: |
vijayr wrote: | kayyila oru padam kooda illaama inga maximum thittu vaangara MD KR dhaan |
Good one ...
NagaS |
Welcome back Naga,think you are missing for more than 2 months now.
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zz, dont even bother abt sify. If you pay money, they will nominate the movie for oscar. If you look at Indiaglitz, they will give a +ve feedback because it has been advertised there (even worst, they dont know what to do,so they give a confusing verdict for all, be it music/movie)
Wait for AV or sureshmischt. From what I heard so far, the movie is very good. Rajasaranam compared it to moondraam pirai. Another friend of mine told me that this will definitely fetch a national award. So dont bother about cheap websites.
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njv,
I dont really know what they expect in a movie. This movie is the experiences and happenings in the life of a 21 yr old boy. The fun, Love, Sex, hate, humanity, anger, rage.... all aspects of human emotions are touched upon in the film. A near flawless narrative, excellent music, editing, cinematography all are in its best. It does have shades of BM's earlier movies But This is BM'Ishtyle. Its a decent movie. Which leaves you with heavy emotions at the end. My friend who accompanied me Insisted on seeing Sivakasi immtly that he wanted to get out from the hangover of this movie This one sentence from him spoke volumes about how the movie is getting in deeply into a moviegoer.
Well I had to End up with an Headache watching Sivakasi while he said " Itha than ethirparthu vanthaen, Naalu fight, anju paatu......thaaa saravedi kaatha kizhikithu " . Me too had fun from sivakasi at times but it was a headache for me on the whole as a movie . I said " Ithu tamizh makkaloda saabam nalla padam paarthu romba disturbingaa irukuthunnu sollittu Sivakasi madri padangala hit aakurathu " . I know for sure that AOKK will be a flop while Sivakasi will be super duper hit
But the next day surprisingly we both struck a chord together while watching 'Majaa' . It was fun all around and very good movie. May be the The reason was because its from a Malayalam Film.
Box-office will give the verdict as
1.Sivakaasi
2.Majaa
3.AOKK
I would rate
1.Majaa
2.AOKK
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101.Sivakaasi
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rajasaranam wrote: |
njv,
I dont really know what they expect in a movie. |
You answered it in your reply itself.
"Naalu fight, anju paatu......thaaa saravedi kaatha kizhikithu "
rajasaranam wrote: |
This movie is the experiences and happenings in the life of a 21 yr old boy. The fun, Love, Sex, hate, humanity, anger, rage.... all aspects of human emotions are touched upon in the film. A near flawless narrative, excellent music, editing, cinematography all are in its best
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Good enough for me to go to theatre and watch this movie. Based on the review from few of my friends, Sivakasi is a definite head-ache and they asked me to avoid at any cost. I wouldnt see this even in "thiruttu vcd". Why buy headache?
Yes, I have got +ve feedback abt maaja, bambara kannalae (hate it cuz srikanth deva used TIS in this!) apart from AOKK.
I wonder how/why parents allow their kids to see vijay's movie. His movies are BIG NO in my house. If at all we want to see, we treat it as an "adult only" movie and watch it when everybody is sleeping, including my parents!
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"I dont mind you criticising the music, but you end up criticising the people as if you are the authority."
I didnt criticize you or anyone in particular here. My post was on the general opinion about KR that some ppl have here and I said it in a humorous vein. I guess I have the right to post about what I think of that opinion, just like how you have been taking the right to defend(or bash) anyone who says anything against IR or TIS. Isnt it? You seem to misunderstand posts all the time, remember the earlier instance when you completely misunderstood rajdes and then said you wont come back to this forum at all? Welcome back, anyways.
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http://www.kumudam.com/reporter/061105/pg2.php
More info on `koodal nagar' issue...
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Digression.Start
hei, 'welcome back' posts for me ? wow, I feel like 'return'dulkar ...
Was absent because of a promotion and related issues Only good news is, got an iPod finally, and going to load it with tonnnnns of songs ...
Digression.end
Is IR the MD for Thangar Bachan's next movie ? I heard he is doing muzik for 'kaathal arangam' (Dir : 'kadavul' fame velu prabhakaran)
NagaS
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[quote="vijayr]Isnt it? You seem to misunderstand posts all the time, remember the earlier instance when you completely misunderstood rajdes and then said you wont come back to this forum at all? Welcome back, anyways.[/quote]
mootapoochikku bayanthu veeta koluthara aalu naan illai. i would rather buy "hit" and get rid of mootapoochi, and yeah, thank you for judging me correctly, like the way you judge other people including KR/IR.
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positive review from alleged yellow paper. No answer on Tsunami relief fund and music college!!!! I(LIE)ARAAJA
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/REVIEW/2005/athu-oru.asp
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njv, thats fine. indha forumukku varamaattennu neenga dhaan statement vittadhu. No one asked you to stay away.
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njv,
My friend saw that movie in rakesh Theatre in Chrompet even when many of his friends wanted to see sivakasi. My friend has a policy that he will not see Vijay's movie at any cost. I guess Rajasaranam too saw the movie in the same theatre, because it runs Sivakasi in Vetri which is in the same complex where rakesh is. Sorry if I have assumed it wrongly.
Why I put the review in this forum from sify is that when he told me in the morning that the film is a dud and a waste of money for him, I immediately came to this forum to look for any review. Then I had to search the net, which I generally do not do as all the enformation about reviews I get it from TFMPAGE. When I found that sify too reflected most of my friends opinion, I posted the review here.
I listened to the songs once and obviously it did not have any thing to impress. Do not frown on me as you yourself can see that even many HC IRFs do not show interest on the songs.
I was just curious and when I saw a review similar to what my friend expressed, I posted that here. Or else I generally do not interfier in IR thread affairs.
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"Ilaiyaraja's music, particularly the re-recording is excellent."
says The Hindu (AOKK)
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/11/04/stories/2005110402330200.htm
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Can anyone pls comment on Mogamull the movie and any comments on IR's musical score? Is the movie worth it?
thx
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Can anyone pls comment on Mogamull the movie and any comments on IR's musical score? Is the movie worth it?
thx |
Movie by itself is not worth it. Its very slow. Music & BGM is good, but again more carnatic than anythign else. I wouldnt buy this either for the movie or for IR.
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I have been listening to the Oru Naal Oru Kanavu songs repeatedly and everytime I am completely blown away by the songs.
Especially Katril varum geethame and kajiraho. Even Konjam thira and Enna paatu is growing on me.
Raja sir, hats off to you...
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njv, you didn't like 'mogamul'?? I really liked the movie, of course long time ago i watched it! the songs are GREAT!
1.Kamalam paadha kamal.... KJJ
2.Sollayo vaai thirandhu....-two versions M.G.Sree kumar and by Janaki!
Sollayo.... what a song that conveys viragadhapam, sense of longing!!!!!!! Raaja brings out the emotion so well in this song! njv, Neenga miss pannidadheengo!! amazing song! the prelude flute with veena appadiye yennavo pannum, Janaki's singing, very apt lyrics makes this song my all time fav Janaki's solo!!
3.sangeetha gnanamu... Thyagaraja krithi in dhanyasi by KJJ
Very nice album!
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baroque wrote: |
njv, you didn't like 'mogamul'?? I really liked the movie, of course long time ago i watched it! the songs are GREAT!
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Honestly I watched this when I was in school or college and again watched when I started watching every IR movie. May be I didnt like it then. Today I rented the movie again. I am gonna watch tonight. I liked Vishwathulasi a lot and if its anything like that I am gonna enjoy.
Sorry for my earlier feedback. I will provide my feedback again after watching this.
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baroque wrote: |
njv, you didn't like 'mogamul'?? I really liked the movie, of course long time ago i watched it! the songs are GREAT!
1.Kamalam paadha kamal.... KJJ
2.Sollayo vaai thirandhu....-two versions M.G.Sree kumar and by Janaki!
Sollayo.... what a song that conveys viragadhapam, sense of longing!!!!!!! Raaja brings out the emotion so well in this song! njv, Neenga miss pannidadheengo!! amazing song! the prelude flute with veena appadiye yennavo pannum, Janaki's singing, very apt lyrics makes this song my all time fav Janaki's solo!!
3.sangeetha gnanamu... Thyagaraja krithi in dhanyasi by KJJ
Very nice album! |
I like the song much "Nenjae guru nathar" in mogamul, a nice song
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"Mogamul" was a good movie. However the NOVEL is great. Janakiraman's writing will be so powerful.
IR's music was a great asset to the movie and so was Archana Joglekhar.
Bala
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I was just watching Surya TV now when a Mal movie (of 80s) came up with Music by Kannoor Rajan - missed to see the title of the film. The title song "Aruvugal Olam thullum thaazhvarayil", was sung by Ilayaraaja. It was a surprise... I did not now IR had sung for another MD in Mal in 80s. A nice song with good pronunciation by IR. Any idea on the movie.?
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friends,
of course I knew mogamull had great songs and BGM and I was definitely going to watch it for that alone. I was just curious if the story was good. But that would be a query unrelated to music and I feared it would get deleted here! Hence I pretended not to know anything abt it
Seems to be a good arty movie, dont miss it if you havent seen it.
thank you njv, balaji, Sanjeevi and baroque.
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I am listening to 'kanden yengum ....' Haunting janaki's solo in the movie kaatriniley varum geetham!! Aaha!! yenna pattu adhu!! The humming prelude. tabla beats, janaki's mesmerizing singing, second interlude with Raaja's haunting flute with janaki's humming, shri.Ilayaraaja's finest!!
Kaatriniley varum geetham is a vintage raaja album!! This is the Raaja i love!!
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http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=13978535
IR to score the music for Sathyan Anthikkad's mal film with Mohan Lal&Meera Jasmine.
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baroque wrote: |
I am listening to 'kanden yengum ....' Haunting janaki's solo in the movie kaatriniley varum geetham!! Aaha!! yenna pattu adhu!! The humming prelude. tabla beats, janaki's mesmerizing singing, second interlude with Raaja's haunting flute with janaki's humming, shri.Ilayaraaja's finest!!
Kaatriniley varum geetham is a vintage raaja album!! This is the Raaja i love!! |
hi, it has another 2 great songs
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Sanjeevi,
"Chithira sevvAnam sirikka kaNdEn" by jayachandran is another great number from that movie.
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Yes, Sanjeevi & shankar!!
Jayachandran mesmerizes you with two songs in this movie!!
oru vaanavil pole.... & chithira sevvanam.....
Vintage Raaja!!
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baroque wrote: |
Yes, Sanjeevi & shankar!!
Jayachandran mesmerizes you with two songs in this movie!!
oru vaanavil pole.... & chithira sevvanam.....
Vintage Raaja!! |
Excellent songs.
Can anybody know the link in which Nandu songs available?
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I think the kaNdEn engum...kaRRinilE varum geedham female solo song has three versions. A rarest occurrence because each of these version is sung by three great singers - PS, SJ and VJ.
I read this information earlier in the TFMPage or dhool.
And yeah, as barouque mentioned PJ mesmerises us in those two superb songs.
Seems TFM lovers are in a musical treat when some thing related to "kaRRinil", "varum", "geedham" words appear -- be it great MS meera song or be it this film song or oflate the kaRRil varum geedhamE song of ONOK.
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Kupps, you can add "kaatril endhan geetham" Johnny song to your list
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AOKK has been declared as a failure.
Source: musicindiaonline.com
Yesterday I was watching the IR live concert. The sad part is that lots of new songs were played (Virumandi, ONOK, Ramana etc etc).
It was very pleasing to listen to Azhagi songs and Vanaville song from Ramana.
IR basically composes acc to the budget of the movie (even though this may not be true in the 80s and 90s).
That is predictable nowasays atleast.
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Dear IR Fans, this happened due to very eagar of new singers to participate the concert
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Once (5 years before???) kumudam.com conducted a open comparision between ARR and IR. I enjoyed while reading the result 5 at that time.
Surprisingly, i got the same but with different link.
http://vivekrk.8k.com/bmessage1.html
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Hello NagaS,
Are you around ? Could you use your contacts in the news business, to get more coverage on TIS financing/marketing goings on ? Basically, it looks like that TIS-USA and Tamil Mayyam are in trouble when IR is supposedly holding the copyrights to some areas. Dont know how much of this is true. But the TIS-USA and Tamil Mayyam are not really happy. How about some investigative journalism here ? If this comes out into the open, IR will open up and will see some resolution here. Till then, some of us, even ardent fans like IR are not feeling good and some originally anti-IR people are gloating over this.
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I would also like to add some fans in the USA who contributed to the TIS efforts are angry and are planning to sue IR primarily and others involved on this. The contributions were made based on the pleas of IR and they are suspecting it is all falsehoods. If the newspaper wants a person with real name and address to quote, I volunteer. there will be others too.
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Balu Mahendra is working on his last hurrah according to this link:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/17845.html
A fitting end to his glittering career by focussing on Eelam!
IR would be the natural choice, though for a heart-touching topic like this, I'd prefer someone more motivated.
Ungalukku kodi punniyam sanjeevi, I was searching night and day for that link last week
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* wrote: |
IR would be the natural choice, though for a heart-touching topic like this, I'd prefer someone less cunning and more motivated.
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That was preposterous How much of IR's music seems less motivated and more cunning. Can you please throw light on this. This is nonsense- IR has done something wrong in business angle and all of us over here are fuming over this. But IR's music is nevertheless the same from his heart. Can anybody refute this
And for todays listening Iam hooked on to 'Karagattakaari' -Kaatu kili , Otha Rooba, Saada maada, Kotti vecha ....Great songs for this dud movie.
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rajasaranam wrote: |
* wrote: |
IR would be the natural choice, though for a heart-touching topic like this, I'd prefer someone less cunning and more motivated.
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That was preposterous How much of IR's music seems less motivated and more cunning. Can you please throw light on this. This is nonsense- IR has done something wrong in business angle and all of us over here are fuming over this. But IR's music is nevertheless the same from his heart. Can anybody refute this
And for todays listening Iam hooked on to 'Karagattakaari' -Kaatu kili , Otha Rooba, Saada maada, Kotti vecha ....Great songs for this dud movie. |
Let me try, people can act as nice guys in movies, people can sing as though they really feel those words, so how difficult it is compose tunes even if you dont really believe in that stuff ?...
Am I stretching it too far ? hmm. may be I am a bit angry over this TIS finance handling.
After this news these few days, I am reluctant to pick up an IR CD to play..but when I played mouna raagam - chinna chinna vannak kuyilll..man..amazing bassline in the pallavi and through out the charanams there is a drum hit and a few bass notes ..very very impressive..Talented for sure !!!!
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Kiru,
Bharathiaar - kanja adipaaru - so inimae avar kavithaigal padikka vaendam
Kannadasan - Saraakku martum pengal vishaythil konjam matteraana aalu - so inimae avar paadalgal kaetka vaendam
Manickavasagar - Arasu panathai thirudinaar - so inimae tiruvasagam padikkamaatom
Budhhar - Pondati pullaingala anathaiya vittuttu odi poitaar - so inimae avar ahimsa thathuvatha Yaethukka maatom.
Ovvaiyaar - kaLlu kudipaanga - so inimae Aathichudi padikkamaatom
namma Amma Appa kittayum sila kuraigal irukku - so inimae avanga kooda paesa vaendam.
Perfect man than namakku mukkiyam. Apdi oru kurai illatha manushana kaatunga Kiru namma ellorum avaryae follow pannalam Okva.....
Avar mela TIS thavirthum enakku neraya vimarsanangal undu. Aana avarthan enakku aadharsha purushan, kadavul ellamae...
Ilaiyaraaja kitta kurai irukkalam aana athukkaaga avar isaiyavae thooki podra alavukku poyachunna apparam vazhrathukku ennathan micham irukku ulagathil?
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I guess, what Rajasaranam has said is quite well put and a very emotional posting. Infact the examples that he has given is very apt.
Kiru, though I do not have any business to post here at this point of time, I guess, mistake or crime (all assumed) made by IR should not darken all the other achivements by IR. IR's songs cannot be maligned by all these speculation even if they are true and loving those songs have to be a mutually exclusive experience for any fan.
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Rajasaranam,
Azhndha karuthukkaL, arthamuLLa soRKKaL
Kiru,
Yes, "Chinna Chinna" is an amazing number with some mindblowing bass guitwar work....
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In fact these rae a few more-
Mozart-womaniser/drunk
Tcahikovsky-homosexual
Beethoven-financially supposed to be dodgy/notorious temper
vivaldi-again a priest but a womaniser as well
so do not llisten to all these?
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Dear Kiru,
Seems like a pretty Childish view to me !!
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What about our immensely talented Kamal Hasan - are you going to say his acting is not committed or True based on his personal life.?? C'mon.. this whole TIS copyright issue seems to be getting out of control !!. Who cares that we care !!
We all need to stop getting into Artists's life and just stop ourselves at criticising/commenting/praising their work.
Cheers
MSK
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Digression:
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=220928&disdate=11/11/2005
see Raja & SJ in an old picture in the above link...
(There is another hilarious interview - "oru korangu illAtti innoru korangu"
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=220588&disdate=11/9/2005
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Friends, Please we all know Kiru doesn't mean it!!
Kiru wrote, when I played mouna raagam - chinna chinna vannak kuyilll..man..amazing bassline in the pallavi and through out the charanams there is a drum hit and a few bass notes ..very very impressive..Talented for sure !!!
Kiru, kobum yellam pochaa?? For us its ALWAYS Ilayaraaja! Ilayaraaja has overwhelmed our souls with HIS music, HE is inseparable from our lives!!
Now Pattu, I am listening to Rettai Vaal kuruvi.
I am addicted to the song raja raja cholan ....Great guitar interludes, catchy rhythm,KJJs singing!!! I just crave for more!!
Lets continue from here... love, vinatha.
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Friends,
I have edited my post.
My post had more to do with Balu Mahendra than with IR. It doesnt need much intelligence to say that IR has done little justice to his talent since Sethu, Hey Ram, Bharathi. He is only going to come up with an indifferent score like in Solla Marandha Kadhai, Manasellam, COA, AOKK, ME, etc. Do you think IR will put his heart and soul into it like he did for TiS? No way! For him it will be just another movie, but for Balu fans, his last movie is not something trivial. I really wont mind ARR given a chance("sound engineer" dhaan but atleast he will slog for it). No one doubts IR's talents, it is his attitude which is sickening.
Digression:
For some reason no serious documentary-style movie ever came out with Eelam as theme(directors are more concerned with Kashmir, Pak etc). Ironic that the tamils in India are reaping the fruits of tech-boom which their own race 700 kms below experienced bestiality of mindboggling proportions.
Digressing further, here's T.Sabaratnam's tracing the history of the eelam freedom movement(Saba is like our Mani Sir) - makes for a gripping read, especially the July 1983 pogrom on tamils:
http://www.sangam.org/Sabaratnam/index.htm
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rajasaranam wrote: |
Kiru,
Bharathiaar - kanja adipaaru - so inimae avar kavithaigal padikka vaendam
Kannadasan - Saraakku martum pengal vishaythil konjam matteraana aalu - so inimae avar paadalgal kaetka vaendam
Manickavasagar - Arasu panathai thirudinaar - so inimae tiruvasagam padikkamaatom
Budhhar - Pondati pullaingala anathaiya vittuttu odi poitaar - so inimae avar ahimsa thathuvatha Yaethukka maatom.
Ovvaiyaar - kaLlu kudipaanga - so inimae Aathichudi padikkamaatom
namma Amma Appa kittayum sila kuraigal irukku - so inimae avanga kooda paesa vaendam.
Perfect man than namakku mukkiyam. Apdi oru kurai illatha manushana kaatunga Kiru namma ellorum avaryae follow pannalam Okva.....
Avar mela TIS thavirthum enakku neraya vimarsanangal undu. Aana avarthan enakku aadharsha purushan, kadavul ellamae...
Ilaiyaraaja kitta kurai irukkalam aana athukkaaga avar isaiyavae thooki podra alavukku poyachunna apparam vazhrathukku ennathan micham irukku ulagathil? |
Nalla sonnenga rajasaranam, well done
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Hi, I happened to watch an unknown film "IPC 215" yesterday. IR is the MD and there are no songs in this interesting, unique theme [lot of legal arguments] directed by Charuhasan. What can I say about BGM? Simply brilliant. How much life can he infuse with his background music even for a non sentimental, cut and dry movie like IPC 215 !!!
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I posted couple of days back in TIS forum to forget TIS, IR and if possible his music as well. I watched AOKK yesterday and I am totally moved by the movie and more than the movie, by BGM.
I heard abt IPC, but never seen it. Where did you saw the movie? Any DVD/VCD available?
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IR in Aadum koothu
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/tamil/2696/
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Maestro fans,
I also read in today's Deccan Chronicle that Raja is the MD for a movie named "Acharya" starring Vignesh, based on a real life story. The director seems to be an associate of Bala. The lineage continues hence from Balu Mahendra-->Bala--> Acharya director.
Effectively Maestro's non-released movies include:
Kasthoori Man
Acharya
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star
Naan Kadavul (yet to start)
Aadum Koothu
pls add if u know of any other movies. Ths year has been a good one for Raja fans.
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Highlights of Maestro IR's live concert
The last part was in Jaya TV last sunday. For dudes in USA and outside India, u can watch the programme in numtv.com.
It is worth it !!!!
The last part had Ilankathu visuthe sung by Tippu, thenral vandhu from Avatharam, ninuko ree varanam, IR's music from Kolangal (Unbelievable and also divine), a sample from TIS, veetukku veetukku etc.
Vivek, RV Udhaykumar, Thyagarajan, Srinivas etc spoke very highly of IR. SPB actually reminisced those good old days when he used to work with IR.
The final beauty was from DRUMS SIVAMANI - his performance for 5 minutes was just out of the world and to add spice to it, he finished it by calling IR as his MUSICAL GURU !!!!
HE infact sang GURU BRAHMA, GURU VISHNU ........
GURU ILAYARAJAVE NAMAHA !!!!
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What did Vivek tell..??
So he will pull down IR in front of ARR and then come here to praise IR..??
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New movie Acharya
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/18155.html
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most of the speakers were actually using one instrument not seen on stage - jalra. Not much insight came out of them:
Suhasini - I am happy to be a tamizhachi at the time of IR(what does that mean?) - could have consulted hubby for better lines
Bharathiraja - some left-handed compliment referring to IR's garvam.
Kasthoori Raja - candid admission that the movie print used to go into re-recording as Kasthoori Raja film and come out as Ilaiyaraja film - apparently, Kasthoori Raja would have thought something when he made the film and IR used to give a different interpretation to the movie. What on earth made him think that is a compliment? He sure intended that as a compliment
Parthiban - Actually I was wrong. There was a jalra on stage. It was him.
Kamal - araicha maavu about him also being a IR fan just like us and the other araicha maavu about him wanting to be a music director in his growing years in kollywood. Vairamuthukku paarattu nadathinaa, wanted to be a lyricist-nu solluveeru, Lenin-ku paarattu nadathina, basically I was an editor-nu solluveer engalukku theriyaadha
Vivek - cant remember exactly but it went on the lines of "There were jambavans before in TFM we cant deny that but they all came with Classical music knowledge. IR came without that sort of background so he is greatest" type. Not sure I would buy that. Hmm, MSV paarattu vizha-la enna pesararunu paarkanum. Grrr...
Srinivas - was decent. Didnt ching-chak too much. Maybe, that was why he wasnt on stage singing.
Drums Mani - has already been mentioned that he dubbed Raja as Guru Devo and parabrahma for him. This from the same man who said he hadnt learnt much from Raja during his performances for Raja
SP Muthuraman - I worked in 45 of my 75 movies with Raja. Yeah, sure. Thats the greatest compliment for IR ever
SPB - mother of all compliments - he considers himself along with SJ, KJY and KSC, lucky to have been in his peak around the time of Raja's compositional peak. I doubt that. As a singer, you get very little flexibility with Raja - I am sure he would have enjoyed his period with MSV and compatriots better. Adhai inge solluvaara enna? Again, MSV paarattu vizha-la enna solraarunu paarkalam.
Basically, such compliments dont mean much to me. People put on a mask and give the greatest tag to the current person being celebrated.They dont stop there. They make comparitive statements and say "IR did this. Earlier people used to do that. So IR Is great". Same person would have said in the celebration for the previous person "PP does that. Others do this . So PP's great"
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can anybody tell me where i cud download the song "naan porandhu vandhadhu" from "mayabazar 1995".
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Rajdes,
Perhaps each one of them should've consulted you before saying anything on stage!
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a_a: let them say whatever they want. I am just saying we cant read too much into what they say because they will go and contradict themselves in a function for X tomorrow - they will say IR is great because of quality A and also he doesnt have quality B. In X's fete, they will say X is great because of Quality B and also he doesnt have quality A. I quoted examples for this from this programme. If you cant understand that, leave it. No frets.
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especially LOL at Kasthoori Raja's comment - he was actually saying that IR didnt understand the director's vision while doing BGM - though that probably was because IR wanted to save us from the director's vision. Coming from the concerned director, it sounded self-defeating and amusing
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rajdes wrote: |
a_a: let them say whatever they want. I am just saying we cant read too much into what they say because they will go and contradict themselves in a function for X tomorrow - they will say IR is great because of quality A and also he doesnt have quality B. In X's fete, they will say X is great because of Quality B and also he doesnt have quality A. I quoted examples for this from this programme. If you cant understand that, leave it. No frets. |
KH-IR relationship pathi, avangalai vida ungalukku nalla therinjirukku
Theriyama sollittanga mannichirunga.
Puriyama pesitten ennayum mannichirunga.
j/k, serious-a eduthukkadheenga.....
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a_a: Oh! I got what is bugging you.I should have known from your name.
Okay, kamal is an exception to the above generalisation . He was sincere in his comments. Okay-vaa?
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Annan Rajdes vaazhga!!!
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Thalaivar kamal vaazhga. Thondar a_a vazhga
jokes aside, i wouldnt include kamal in the insincere cateogry. He has been consistent in his appreciation and the reasons for appreciation of IR. He hasnt as far as I know made stupid comparisons like the ones mentioned above.
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Thalaivar kamal vaazhga. Thondar a_a vazhga Wink
jokes aside, i wouldnt include kamal in the insincere cateogry. He has been consistent in his appreciation and the reasons for appreciation of IR. He hasnt as far as I know made stupid comparisons like the ones mentioned above. |
yes kamal is a true music lover and anytime his speech wud be so straight forward and transparent.i felt sp muthuraman and vaali also to an extent being so artificilal in thier sppech in that concert.
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Rajdes
Did u see Parthiban's jalra..... It was intolerable.
HE said
" IRukaga uyirayum kodukka thayaar; IR in padalgalil nam ullangalil oru tsunami ezhumbum " etc etc. It was just funny.
Suhasini often gets emotional on stage I guess. May be she had a booze ...... She was in some way unnatural.
Kavi Vaali's praise was OK (as he has got the greatest oppurtunity of working with IR so closely).
Anyways, people missing were KJY(his wife, son were there), SJ, Sriram Parthasarathy,UK, BM, Fazil, ......
IR praised KJY's songs a lot when he was talking to his wife on stage. But he somehow didnt say a single word about SPB and that too when SPB was heaping praise on him.
To be honest, SPB's voice is still the same and I felt very sad that IR is not using him nowadays. He sings so efforlessly and with the same effect as before !!!
SPB told that MSV, IR, ARR and VS were pretty much the MDS in South who knew all 4 elements namely composition, arrangement, orchestration, rerecording.
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Vem,
IR did mention about Balu (SPB) -- Something like this: " We can sing Balu's songs alone for 3-4 days" right after he mentioned about Dass (KYJ)....
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I see. May be I missed it.
SPB and KJY were 2 eyes of IR; So I somehow felt sad that SPB didnt get any recognition/pat.
All confusion and sadness over
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After a very long time (probably more than 8-9 years), I am listening to "Endha poovilum vaasam undu..." song. A very good song. What impressed me most was the first interlude. Just check out the strings section after the flute. No words to express the amazing effect it has! Man, we need that IR back with those live orchestra.
thanks,
Krishnan
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FYI, I got the mp3 from the below site....
http://www.rajinikanth.com/audio.htm
thanks,
Krishnan
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If you are interested to listen to "Namma Preethiya Raamu" songs, here it is (Real Audio format):
http://www.kannadaaudio.com/Songs/Moviewise/home/NammaPreethiyaRamu.php
thanks,
Krishnan
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Director Teja, Daggubati Suresh and Nallamalupu Sreenivas (Bujji) have started groundwork for a movie quite a time ago. The audio of the film was completed under the effective captaincy of Maestro Illayaraja. Many of the songs were sung by Mano. The film is based on music where Illayaraja scored the tunes using only three notes Sa, Re and Ga. This unique experiment would set a record of itself.
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/news/nov2005/teja_raja.html
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>> This unique experiment would set a record of itself.
Just for the record: Though this may be the first in film music, IR is not the first to compose with 3 notes.
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RR,
Who else did compose such a song Athayum solli tholaikka koodaathaa
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I wonder if this 3-note song will be the same as the one IR composed for the Musical Journey album.
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rajasaranam wrote: |
RR,
Who else did compose such a song Athayum solli tholaikka koodaathaa |
Kobappadaatheer.. Facts are facts BMK has done it before. The name of raga is sarvashri, and it uses the notes S M1 P. IR's raga (what's the name?) uses S R2 G3.
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Hi RR, if I remember right from what I have read in Kalki, "Sarvasri" is a 4 note raga with "ga" also. Yes, I have heard a Ganesha song "Umasutham namaami" or something like that by BMK on Sarvasri. The flow is not good in this song
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Iam not too sure whether "Sarvasri" it is a 3 note or 4 note scale
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thumburu wrote: |
Hi RR, if I remember right from what I have read in Kalki, "Sarvasri" is a 4 note raga with "ga" also. Yes, I have heard a Ganesha song "Umasutham namaami" or something like that by BMK on Sarvasri. The flow is not good in this song |
No, thumburu. It's a 3-note raga, I'm quite sure. I've heard BMK himself sing it once on Sapthaswarangal. But I agree with you on the flow. IR's piece scores here!
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Kasturi maan released today, any review?
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/review.php?id=14014456&ctid=5&cid=2429
I think there was a +ve review in The Hindu also (sometime back)...
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I dont know why BM is living in abject poverty(compared to other directors) despite giving so many hits in the 80s.
Whenever some news comes in the media, it invariably shows his poor condition. The link below informs us that he is very disappointed with the AOKK response.
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2005/oct/021105.asp
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Hi friends Twingle Twingle Little Star CD is available with a free VCD. Anybody knows about that VCD. How is it?
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"The link below informs us that he is very disappointed with the AOKK response."
I really wonder how BM expects his style of film making will win these days.., even after a series of failures, some people never understand BR has understood although late.., Maniratnam has started to understand that..
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Bala signs Raja for his next project...
http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News39/21-11-05e/tamil-movies-news-bala.html
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Here is my little rant on "Making of Thiruvasakam" VCD that i got along with TTLS audio CD pack.
http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/2005/11/making-of-thiruvasakam.html
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Kasturi Maan- Kalki has awarded "thumbs up" for the movie as well as IR's music
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Listened to Raja's Special Composition for AIDS Awareness Programme in SUN TV. It was very nice Song and had an international Feeling to it. If someone recorded this song Please Upload it....
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Hi
As usual those SUN TV guys, surprised with no proper pre program anouncements, I missed it too, to record the program.
Anyway, I had a problem with my TV also, the LCD started giving me problems with picture, so just listened to th audio of the program,
Managed to rip the audio of the IR song , nice song , has some MX flavor "poo poothadhu" song, but orchestration is very good with different feel on the regional bits
enjoy
the Linky winky...
http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=d0fc910bba6d9ac2e20c7fbd
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thanks a lot Prahudas
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Kasturi Raja is in making of a film based on Tamil Culture. To our surprise the Director is Barathi Raja, MD - Illayaraaja & Strory & lyrics by Vaira Muthu. Source - Kumudam. Its going to be a treat for us.
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An Excellent write up on Raja by this blogger.
http://extrospectrivia.blogspot.com/
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vijay ranganathan - not our vijayr, by any chance?
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I would seriously doubt it. The blog was in appreciation of IR.
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As I understood, Vijayr likes IR's music, except that he feels IR does'nt give his best to the film industry.
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Thanks Prabhudas, nice song.
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ennappa, aaL aaLukku en thalaiya uruttareenga No, thats not me. I am too lazy to maintain a blog and if I were to write something on IR I would probably do it here first.
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The Aids awarness songs starting sounds like Ye nenjey song from Aprilmathathil By Yuvan
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Begin deg.
I am going to be in Singapore for a few days.
Any stores there where I can buy good quality old IR songs? I am looking for CDs and some classic DVDs as well.
Thanks for the info.
End deg.
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Mutinamatheyan,
I tried this a couple of times in the last few years but with no luck.. The areas where you can find Tamil CD/DVD etc are in the little India area - desi street. But they do not have a good collection of IR songs ..especially the oldies.. they seem to have the popular ones like Mouna Raagam , Thalapathy etc.. but not some old stuff.. atleast i could not find it in the 4-5 stores in that area..
maybe S'pore hubbers may know more about where u can find these.. If you find some info, please send it my way as I travel to S'pore atleast a few times a year and would like to do the same.
cheers
MSK
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vijay, i sort of knew it couldnt be you.
Are you the vijay with a single post blog stating something like " I opened this blog account just so that I can post responses on others' blogs. Have no intention of posting much here" ?
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Thanks MSK. I will also be stopping by Kuala Lumpur, but not for to long. Will keep you posted if I find anything useful.
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rajdes, yeah thats me. How did you end up on that page? I have forgotten about it myself
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does anyone here do you have copies of INDIA 24 HRs and GURU (malayalam) ? need the same very very urgently!
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"does anyone here do you have copies of INDIA 24 HRs and GURU (malayalam) ? need the same very very urgently!"
ME TOOOOOOOOO.............!!!!!!!
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Guys
Can anyone clarify if the music director of the Rajini movie "Gayathri" is IR ?
I somehow thought that it was Sankar Ganesh, but all websites say it is IR....
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Vem, IMDB also says its Ilaiyaraaja:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187052/fullcredits
Kingvj, go to the below link and search for "India 24 hours" (without double quotes)...you will get it. Its available at 320kbps bit rate! You may do the same thing for GURU aswell.
http://as01.cooltoad.com/go/music?search=1
BTW, I have a question. As far as I remember songs with 192kbps (or is it 128kbps??) as bit rate are known as CD quality songs. How much value addition will more bit-rate give us?
thanks,
Krishnan
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prabhudas wrote: |
Hi
As usual those SUN TV guys, surprised with no proper pre program anouncements, I missed it too, to record the program.
Anyway, I had a problem with my TV also, the LCD started giving me problems with picture, so just listened to th audio of the program,
Managed to rip the audio of the IR song , nice song , has some MX flavor "poo poothadhu" song, but orchestration is very good with different feel on the regional bits
enjoy
the Linky winky...
http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=d0fc910bba6d9ac2e20c7fbd |
Check ur PM ! Can u send teh RIP of that soing to my id ?Thanks !
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vijay, it was just a vetti investigation - i saw a response in some blog - the words and style reminded me of you and I went to check if there is any clue in the blog site - and srt of this post actually convinced me it must be you
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INDIA 24 HRs and GURU (malayalam) - I would prefer original CDs
Thanks
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vem & krish244,
gAyathri is by IR. It has three lovely songs:
-kAlaippaniyil (Sujatha?)
-kAdhal Oviyum kaNdEn, kanavO ninaivO (Sujatha)
-vAzhvE mAyamA (VJ)
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according to kumudham kasthuriraja (dhanush's father) is making a movie abt tamil culture - to be directed by bharathiraja, music by illayaraja and this also brings an end to IR-VM war. This will be a IR-BR-VM combo. Anyone close to IR/BR/VM can confirm?
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thanks dudes.
I got a chance to watch Nizhalgal, I know that it is commonplace talk to mention about the evergreen songs.
But the BGM, it is just brilliant. IR basically takes u to the joy of students at their graduation, and in the next second, there is full of melancholoy because of unemployement.
I just wonder sometimes why the State Government and Central Government do not praise for old works..... If in any given year, there is nothing to award for, then atleast awards could be given for old evergreen ones which failed to get the awards........
If our Governemnt decides that strategy, then IR will keep getting awards for the next 500 years (as his own albums overshadows his own brilliant ones).
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questioner wrote: |
INDIA 24 HRs and GURU (malayalam) - I would prefer original CDs
Thanks |
questioner,
i sent a mail to your rediff mail. Got I24 hrs. Waiting for Guru. Will update you eod today. we can make it this time please mail me back with ur phone no.
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Thanks App_engine!
Vem, the below link says Bharathiraja's next movie is Titled "Mayil"...no mention about MD.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/18758.html
The below link says there is going to be a sequel to "Pulan Visaranai" (MD was IR...if I am not wrong) and the MD is Joshua Sridhar!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/18733.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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krish244 wrote: |
The below link says there is going to be a sequel to "Pulan Visaranai" (MD was IR...if I am not wrong) and the MD is Joshua Sridhar!
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I Prefer Joshua to many of the current MD's I liked all the songs from 'Kaadhal' and Also the way he described how hardcore a IR fan he is in the kumudham interview Hope He does keep up to my expectations and rise high.
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hi app_engine, "kaadhal oviyam" is from Kavikuyil. The other 2 average songs from Gayathri are 2 caberet numbers "unnai thaan azhaikkiren" by SJ and "ulagil enakku thaan adhiga rasigargaL" by PS. To sum it all, there is only one evergreen song "kaalai paniyil" and the rest are situational. There is no male singer
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Ram Gopal Varma is going to make a sequel to Shiva in Telugu. Hero is Nagarjuna who plays the role of a police officer who fights against current system.Music director is Ilayaraja and it is jointly produced by Nagarjuna and Ramgopal Varma
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/news/dec2005/shiva_ram.html
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I am not crazy about RGV, but Shiva is a great movie and hopefully will be another big hit for all the 3.
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I look forward to the sequel to Shiva. The original Shiva had good songs and excellent RR (esp. the title music). I hope IR salvages himself from olden times and come in terms with the current trend (i am not talking about Srikanth Deva, Dina Style here).
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Vysar wrote: |
I look forward to the sequel to Shiva. The original Shiva had good songs and excellent RR (esp. the title music). I hope IR salvages himself from olden times and come in terms with the current trend (i am not talking about Srikanth Deva, Dina Style here). |
Let Us know what the Current Trend is then? Is it ARR Ishtyle? or VS Ishtyle? or YSR Ishtyle? or BW Ishtyle?
None of them except ARR has a style of their own. If its ARR ishtyle You are hinting at we would expect IR giving us his own style
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no something different like MX.
Don't be inferior like IR man just hope for the best. I am asking for better album because IR comes up with one gem out of 10 craps. Some ardent fans listen to his current cacophony and think it might be soothing but I am a fan who listens to good music from any MD. I am still a fan for IRs vintage music though.
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could anyone let us know what kind of movie SHIVA is ?
Is it a thriller or romantic movie ? Also was IR the MD for the movie ?
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IR was md for shiva. Its like Run by Madhavan if you want to compare.
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njv,
Blasphemy !!! Run aiyum Shiva vayum compare paNreengaLE...njyAyama idhu ??? Artist by artist compare paNNinA kooda Shiva is miles ahead of Run...Shiva was a trendsetter in more than one way, and Raja vOda BG Score pathi sollavE vENdAm...
Anyday, I would prefer watching Nag ripping off the cycle chain than baby face madhavan pulling down the shutter
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more on siva 2006
http://www.telugucinema.com/c/movies/shiva2006_dec0805.php
Ramu Ilayaraja combination
After a decade and half years later, Ram Gopal Varma and maestro Ilayaraja are teaming up. Both these greats have not worked since their first combo, Shiva. I have always wanted to work with the legend. I have grown up listening the meastros tunes and I am great fan of his work. But somehow, I became more busy with Hindi films and lost touch. Now I am that I am working with him again for this remake.
In Shiva 2006, except the Nag, Ramu and Ilayaraja, the entire team will be new one, no other crew and cast members of Shiva are not going to work for this film.
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Shankar wrote: |
njv,
Blasphemy !!! Run aiyum Shiva vayum compare paNreengaLE...njyAyama idhu ??? Artist by artist compare paNNinA kooda Shiva is miles ahead of Run...Shiva was a trendsetter in more than one way, and Raja vOda BG Score pathi sollavE vENdAm...
Anyday, I would prefer watching Nag ripping off the cycle chain than baby face madhavan pulling down the shutter |
i didnt mean to compare but tell what sort of movie it is.
both are studends visiting their sister house and fall in love with girl at college and one pull the cycle chain and the other pull the shutter.
Shiva was definitely a trend setter.
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I would bet Chakravarthy, thondaradipodi of RGV, will surely be involved at some level with the new shiva as well - he was the dhaadi vecha adhiyaal college guy who triggers off Nag's deviation in Shiva, if you didnt know.
I still remember shiva for its tagline "He was the nice guy in college, until they made him a graduate in violence". That was the first time I saw tagline for a tamil movie.
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"Anyday, I would prefer watching Nag ripping off the cycle chain than baby face madhavan pulling down the shutter "
Exactly !
That kind of a fight sequence was new at that time. And Nagarjun expressed the vibrancy and fire well in his character much better than Maddy in Run.
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Vysar wrote: |
no something different like MX.
Don't be inferior like IR man just hope for the best. I am asking for better album because IR comes up with one gem out of 10 craps. Some ardent fans listen to his current cacophony and think it might be soothing but I am a fan who listens to good music from any MD. I am still a fan for IRs vintage music though. |
Good that You acknowledge MX
Ithukku kaaranam Kamal. So If A good director is there he can just pump out nice music from IR. IR is not the same Young man who gave out mesmerising music whether the director was good or not. Today He needs a Bala Or Kamal or fresh themes like Azhagi, bharathi etc., to give some music deviating from his pattern of thoughts. Otherwise he is gonna recycle and give his own pattern of music Which is also not bad IMHO. His mundane stuff itself is too good but when he gives us something new then we are gonna party over that for sure
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On the NEWS about Shiva-Part2. I dont know how much this is going to materialize. Already When RGV was making VaasthuShashtra there were rumours that IR is going to score music. But this time atleast I hope it should be true It will be great to see how RGV is gonna team up with Raja.
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Shiva was a trend-setter.. The fights had that brutal naturality, so different from the usual dishum-dishum fight sequences.. Also IR's BGM. He was at his best with his powerful 'silence' when the fight scenes in progress, adding to the effect.. and the theme music was wonderful..
Why did he compose his heart out, when the final title cards were on the roll, and when people will be leaving the theatre after the movie?? He has used the same in 'jagadekaveerudu athiloka sundari' as well..
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RS/Raj,
I seriously doubt if Raja would be part of the movie...From a very very reliable source, I heard that Raja snubbed RGV when he went to him for Vastushastra (ultimately it proved to be a good decision). Apparently, Ramu flew down to chennai and requested Raja for vaastu (and i guess ramu is a genuine fan of Raja bcos in his interview in kumudam, his first question to the reporter,apparently was, "How is Raja ? and How is TN in general" )...
If they really do join hands, it would be quite interesting.
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RS,
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Good that You acknowledge MX
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Hmm...an album like MX not being welcome by ppl makes me feel bad about the taste of the ppl...close to 30 yrs in TFM, this was Raja's first ever score to contain Jazz influence. He has worked wonders with Indian & western classical/folk tunes, (progressive) rock and what not in his first 5 yrs, but never a jazz number. Out of the blue our man comes out rocking with his first ever jazz composition, and the album sinks without trace !!ppl who have some inclination towards jazz would luv the album for sure.
Its not just Raja's work, arr's iruvar with its fabulous jazz numbers went relatively unnoticed (compared to his much inferior works)...
The previous generation were better in the sense that they welcomed new styles (our modern theatres-"james bond"jaishankar-veda combo too had some club numbers with jazz influence, which went on to become hits)...The new-gen is happy listening to "thair sadham and vadu mAngai" songs
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Shankar, blame it on the satellite channels, media hype. They have the dubious knack of repeatedly assaulting our senses with mediocrity in the name of "super hit padam or paadalgal" that the listeners also conveniently resign to them. This is one of the main reasons for Chandramukhi or Anniyan scoring over MumbaiExp musically and moviewise.
When Pammal or Panchathantram flopped, I didn't bother as much as MumbExp. A case of good effort getting washed out
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Interesting news! Have a nice laugh
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/news/nov2005/illaya_grand.html
Quoting what is said in the link:
"..Isai Gnani Ilayaraja inundated the South Indian music with his mellifluous and melodious compositions for decades together. His children are also into music and they are making their career out of the same. Kaarthik Raja and Yuvan Shankar Raja are known for their unique style of compositions.
Now the legacy is also continuing with his grand son, Yathishwar who is the son of Karthik Raja. The boy is just three year old and is now scoring music for the film 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star', a Tamil flick.
Its indeed an international record that the boy is setting for himself.
The film is also going to be remade in Telugu, Hindi and Malayalam. The film is set to release in the month of December. .."
Thanks,
Krishnan
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Krish,
Now i really doubt the news from greatandhra site of Raja Working with RGV
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Yatishwar's record will be broken by YSR's yet-to-be-conceived baby, who will come out into the world crying a special tune composed by self
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Indiaglitz says the same
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/article/18894.html
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what the hell is MX
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Download New Ilayaraja concert from this link Enjoy Guys http://uyirvani.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6910
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muzammil84 ,
How to download and where to click on that page for download ???
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r u already register in that forum?
if yes then make a reply in the page where is IR concert and u can able to see the concert
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Pallikoodam, starring SJS, Cheran & TB - music by Maestro
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/19103.html
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So, IRs new movies include
(1) TTLS
(2) Aadum Koothu
(3) Pallikoodam
(4) Mohanlals' Malayalam Movie
(5) Siva sequel in Telugu
(6) Pokkisham
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Add one more to the list Rooky,...Acharya starring Vignesh
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One more..
Director Kamal's Dileep movie (Malayalam)
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Niraiya sothappal movies. Why IR accepted these movies such as Konji pesalam, Acharya etc
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Add the following to the list
1. Parthiban new movie
2. Teja new movie
3. 2 new movies of Teja
4. Nan kaduvul (Bala new movie)
5. Satyan adikad next movie
6. Lokidass next movie
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sorry
on the 3rd point it should be 2 new movies of Vamsi
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http://www.hindu.com/2005/12/27/stories/2005122707082000.htm
When a journalist asked him if he had heard of the works of A.R. Rahman and Ilaiyaraja, he shook his head cluelesslysaying, "I really don't know them."
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is it our Maestro ???
http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/livewire/id/1845/news/karthi.html
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yes, this was old story. ysr music and ir sang one song.
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Parthipan's new movie Pachaikuthirai music scored by Sabesh-Murali. May be IR would have asked for more since his grade has gone up after TIS.
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read about a new movie 'MADHU' starring newcomer Ramesh in a mallu magazine
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http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News39/02.01.06e/illayaraja.html
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tmrrmt, the below news (IndiaGlitz) says IR is tipped to score for RGV's tamil venture:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/19476.html
Thanks,
Krishnan
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http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/03/stories/2006010313690200.htm
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madhanji, I think HJ is scoring for this and not Raja:-)
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mY GOD THIS MAN SHOULD SIT AT HOME TO STOP MESMERISING OTHERS.
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http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/281205/pg3.php
Read the arasu badhil about life stories made into films...
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Divorce: Not Between Husband and Wife - Hindi movie, music by Illayaraja, Direction by M.J. Ramanan (assitant for many hollywood-bollywood type movies)
Azhagai Irukirai... Bayamai Irukiradhu - Direction Vijay Milton
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http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/07/stories/2006010702810200.htm
Any idea who the MD is?
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The Music Director is none other than our Dr. Ilayaraja.
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"Balabharathy scores the music"
article clearly says. NFDC cannot offer a BIG MONEY FOR BIG TIME MD IR...
Mahendran would be much better off by not paying big and getting mediocre album.
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isnt azhakai irukku a YSR film.Hes sung all the songs by himself.
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Digression !
Can anybody tell me where I can get good ear plugs ( to prevent noise from entering the ear ) in Bangalore/Chennai ?
I live in a house in which the structural noise is a big menace at night
Please let me know if you have any good/bad experience with using ear plugs.
Sorry for posting this question in this forum.
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Sathyan Anthikkad who always extracts the best music from the Maestro has completed the recording of his latest venture with Mohan lal in the lead.The movie is said to have 7 tracks sung KJY,MGS Manjari and others.I can hardly wait.
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raja_fan, You should get the Bose Noise Cancelling Head phones instead and listen to some good music by IR. actually they are giving a free Bose CD player with it, check out their site
http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/popup/promo/pop_qc2_bosecd_holiday05.jsp&ck=0
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Thanks MusicIsLife !
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Cheran's interview.
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/01/13/stories/2006011302780100.htm
"What is the plan for 2006?
I may direct a film for Panchu Arunachalam and act in a couple of films."
Sariyaa pochu ! innum "pokkisham" aarambikkave illaiyaa ??
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Does anyone kno abt IR's KONJI PESALAM
The audio released 2 yrs. back.
The siru siru song is abs. fantastic..
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All Ilayaraja Fans vote for Ilayaraja at this website
www.ennavale.com on the top of this website there is User Voting.
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I somehow feel that
THIS THREAD IS LOSING ITS LIFE
WE ARE ALL DISCUSSING EVERYTHING OTHER THAN "IR's NEW ALBUMS"
DOES IR REALLY HAVE ANY OFFICIALLY DECLARED PROJECTS OTHER THAN WHAT MEDIA HYPES ???
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Ok, raja_fan..ungaLukku oru news pidiyungO:
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14119097
Raja recorded four songs for Mohanlal film it seems...
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More on Bala's next film with music by IR
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14123553
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'Njan' and not 'nAn'/'yAn'?...sounds like Malayalam:-)
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according to kalki magazine, IR is the MD for rajkiran's next film (rajkiran is the hero)
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I saw "oru naaL oru kanavu" recently in DVD. The songs were wonderful. Most of them fitted the situation very well - except for Kajuraho, which incidentally is a *hit* The surprise number in the pack was the title score oru naaL oru kanavu. It was fantastic. Wonder why the hubbers didnt discuss much about it!! I was amazed that even after 800+ films (can someone tell me what the accurate number is now??), Raja can still be so fresh.
The BGM was great. I was amazed to see Kajurahos tune morphed to create a sorrow or romantic effect. There can be no doubt that he is the best in BGM. RAja Raja thaan!!
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Bazil wasted khajarovoo song in the film. The very worst picturisation of the year.
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I came to know that there is a program tomorrow in Jaya TV for Republic Day specials, wherein singers would speak about their experiences with Maestro (might be 10.30 am IST). Somebody please confirm the time.
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Yes crvenky! Even I saw a clip of that programme today on Jaya TV. I think its at 10:30am as you said.
thanks,
Krishnan
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That's great !
But why this sudden love of Jaya TV for IR ?!
It is not good for IR
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http://eenadu.net/ncineshow.asp?qry=chennai
Finally...!
2 films in IR-Vamsy's combination are going to sets in March.
Recording starts in February.
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http://www.behindwoods.com/features/News/News39/24.01.06/music.html
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Thanks to CRVenky and Krishna for this good news.
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/01/27/stories/2006012700200200.htm
some info on `pachchakkuthira'...is it the first time IR works with Kamal (malayalam director)?
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This is what happening with talented KR
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/GOSSIP/GOSSIP17.ASP
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Digression !
Can anybody tell clearly what would be the benefits for a end subscriber by the new cable tv law in TN ?
Can a subscriber be able to choose between competitors ?
As subscribers are more taunted by the local operators than the SCV etc..For example, my local operator never bothers about the cable / transmission quality. When we complain, he dares to say that he will disconnect our connection.. Is DTH the only alternative ?
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Hi - where can I get to read good reviews of HOW TO NAME IT ? and NOTHING BUT WIND online ?
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madhan,
try coolgoose...
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Hey guyz.... VERY URGENT HELP REQUIRED: I am dying to get the mp3 of "Ghana Shyama" from Kochu Kochu Santhoshangal... that song is going on in my mind all the time......... Please help me!! Tried Coolgoose to no effect.
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Whoever sharing IRs music illegally please read the following plea from IR
http://www.raaja.com/maestros_desk.htm
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How can one get very rare songs of IR instead? I am willing to pay the money, but am not able to get this album on the net...
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http://www.kumudam.com/lightsonline/280106/pg7.php
excellent interview with Mahendran...
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IR to compose for "Anbe Vaa" ?
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/actors.1680/movie_name.4118/
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raja fan,
each time you click this link a different picture appears.
I clicked it twice and got MGR and Deva.
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Digression-
Did Anybody watch Jay Leno's tonight show music segment this Monday with live performance of a music bit from "MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA" by John Williams and Yo Yo Maa,
I happened to watch "NizhalKuthu"of Adoor Gopalkrishnan on DVD, with BGM by IR, the BGM is so subtle yet so powerful, at times sounded if it was deliberate underplay,
the music by John williams and Yo Yo Maa was like that very simple yet so beautiful,
it's been a long time, I will try to upload
the BGM clips soon
Prabhudas
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if anybody is interested in knowing the raagas used by IR ....
go through this site....
http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/index.html
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Very uselful for current MD's like Harish Jayaraj, Dina, Imaan , Srikanth Deva, and new comming up MD's.
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Can anybody help me with the lyrics of Poonkattinode Kilikal from Poomukhappadyyil Ninneum Kaathu ??
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Prabhudas et. al,
Please listen to the Lord of the Rings Audio Book, Episode II. Let me know what that music reminds you of.
This should be available in your local library.
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IR sings for the movie "Madhu". No idea who is the MD.
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/feb-06-03/09-02-06-ilayaraja.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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IR is the MD for this foreseeable Flop
http://www.webulagam.com/cinema/cinenews/0602/02/1060202012_1.htm
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dont be rude. give them a chance. now a days movies like this surprise us than big budget movies (like anniyan!)
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I am not rude just being practical. This movie is actually reminds me of muched hyped "Dhanush" which never got released.
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kiru wrote: |
Prabhudas et. al,
Please listen to the Lord of the Rings Audio Book, Episode II. Let me know what that music reminds you of.
This should be available in your local library. |
What is this audio book? dont make us wait. plz break the news
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Hi Kiru,
Is this audio book on tape or CD, I tried in my local libarary, there was no CD version , I will try to get hold of the tape version once available, who has scored Music for this anyway?
I read the 7 or 8 series autobiographical account of IR written by Kalyan 9 a kannada lyricist , MD) as narrated by IR in a Kannada magazine , for the first time I read IR mentioning about John Williams and MJ ( yes Michael Jackson)
another Digression, since there are new IR albums recently,
the Kannada movie by Bhavatharini as MD,"Geeya Geeya" has some beautiful melodies , three songs are really very nice one solo song she spoilt by siging herself , but great orchestration , doesn't sound IR' ish, I felt it was a perfect mix of IR/ARR, no shades of YSR at all, I think she should try continuing as MD and quit singing for good.
Prabhudas
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prabhudas wrote: |
Hi Kiru,
Is this audio book on tape or CD, I tried in my local libarary, there was no CD version , I will try to get hold of the tape version once available, who has scored Music for this anyway?
I read the 7 or 8 series autobiographical account of IR written by Kalyan 9 a kannada lyricist , MD) as narrated by IR in a Kannada magazine , for the first time I read IR mentioning about John Williams and MJ ( yes Michael Jackson)
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What did he say abt them? When u get some time could u plz fill us in.
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Did anyone get to see a clip from the film "Amirdham" on SunTV. It was a clip where Girish Karnad and her daughter meet the hero. The background music for this clip was outstanding. It was real great blend of carnatic and western classical. I did not know who the MD was until I checked the web later. It is Bhavadharini. It was a very commendable effort. I later read the review on Indioaglitz which appreciated the movie and the music. You may want to check it out.
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njv wrote: |
kiru wrote: | Prabhudas et. al,
Please listen to the Lord of the Rings Audio Book, Episode II. Let me know what that music reminds you of.
This should be available in your local library. |
What is this audio book? dont make us wait. plz break the news |
njv,
It is not a big deal. I am referring to the theme music of the BBC Radio version of the Lord of the Rings.
Some IR's music sounds very similar. It probably is not even an inspiration but surely to me it sounds similar.
You should get this in the local library if you are in the US.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553456539/sr=8-1/qid=1139888129/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-4957496-4458345?%5Fencoding=UTF8
This is a very nice and interesting version of the Lord of the Rings, if you like that genre.
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njv wrote: |
prabhudas wrote: | Hi Kiru,
Is this audio book on tape or CD, I tried in my local libarary, there was no CD version , I will try to get hold of the tape version once available, who has scored Music for this anyway?
I read the 7 or 8 series autobiographical account of IR written by Kalyan 9 a kannada lyricist , MD) as narrated by IR in a Kannada magazine , for the first time I read IR mentioning about John Williams and MJ ( yes Michael Jackson)
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What did he say abt them? When u get some time could u plz fill us in. |
I think I have read before about IR's appreciation for John Williams. He cannot do BGM without any reference (for that matter, I think, he starts out with a reference in any field, like say, Kannadhasan for lyrics, MSV for tune etc).
References to MJ was in the context of him asking YSR singing like MJ in some particular context, I dont remember. IR does keep abreast of the latest trends, but not as much buying the latest sample CDs . In one movie he has done a complete english song where the mixing is like that of pop music (read, drums at a very high level). He just did not follow this style in tamil, probably, because he thought it would not be acceptable in our cultural milieu.
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http://dailythanthi.com/cn/cn_home.asp?issuedate=2/14/2006&secid=2
maRupadiyum sentiment ArambichchuttAnga:-(
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Vishwa Thulasi
http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/15/stories/2006021516450200.htm
`Gold Remi Award' for music score in the craft category at the 38th Annual World Fest, USA ?!
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A Telugu album from IR after a long gap.
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (Telugu version)
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/27/s/movie_name.8306/
Sadhana Sargam's "Doorana vinipinche" is the best pick.
Choice of singers is pretty good. Most of IR's current favorites find a place... Sadhana Sargam, Shreya Ghosal, Bhavatarini, SPB, Mano.
But it's kinda surprising to see Udit Narayan singing for IR!
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Teja, Udit has already sung the kannada version of "Naan kaanum Ulagam" (movie: Kasi) for IR. It probably is available in musicindiaonline. Also, I think Udit has sung for IR in some old telugu to hindi dubbed movies (chiranjeevi's movies). Its just that he has not sung (Thank God!) for IR in Tamil!
BTW, I saw some promos of TTLS in tamil on SunTV & VijayTV channels. They were showing "Salasalakkum Kaatre" song. IMO, the picturisation (some foriegn girl was the main dancer) was not that good.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Check here the details for downloading an old interview video of Raja.
www.groups.yahoo.com/groups/maestromagic.
Also visit my new blog here: www.maestromagic.blogspot.com
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That's a nice blog Venky.
I really appreciate your efforts in collecting IR's BGMs.
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Raja composes for Cheran's next - Maya Kannadi. considering Panju Arunachalam is the producer, it was expected. But Sify quotes cheran as saying that IR is composing for him for the first time! Did'nt they work together Desiya Geetham?
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Link for the above
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14141917
Ya, me too was wondering about that
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OK, other than a couple of average projects in TFM (madhu, mAyakkaNNAdi, nAn kadavuL etc.) and MFM (sathyan anthikkAd/Mohanlal combo movie), Raja is probably not signing up (or not getting signed up for) many film assignments...
Considering his ever-strong enthu to create music, though slowly advancing in age but now without much respo w.r.t. kids as all are married and settled, Raja must be into something...if the letters posted on raaja.com is a pointer, he must be seriously considering his next non-film album...(HTNI, NBW, TiS varisaiyil)...
What music do DF'ers want him to do for that project? (Please let's not discuss about funding / marketing etc. Let that be left to experts / professionals whom he can sign up with...and probably work for some initial fixed / further variable kind of compensation)...
Let's just discuss musically what can be suggested to be his next (ad)venture?
My choice:
-a full fledged pure instrumental (fresh melody lines), with 100% artists from TN (preferably budding - may be from music schools / colleges or disabled groups like visually impaired etc. but those who play impeccably...may be even a couple of child prodigies), with many movements that may / may not have pauses in between but support a single overall theme...The main instrument should be piano (IR hasn't given much importance to this grand instrument in his earlier instrumentals...and IMHO, one can listen to just piano alone, with no accompaniment even - for hours repeatedly for years without getting bored) & with some special Raja sangathis...the focus can even be TN country life, but with brilliant piano instrumentals...something like that...they can even plan a silent 45 min. visual to accompany later on DVD...may even have a touching storyline to support...record it in some contemporary studio in Chennai, with 100% real instruments but great acoustics...(may be work with ARR as partner in this regard)...
Please post your imaginations...
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the topic has already been discussed a little before, check this
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4444&highlight=
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Thanks for posting the link, vijayr...I remember that thread but was lazy to search...Some good discussion there...
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This is what I want from IR, along with donating diamond hands for a temple I want him to donate money to Tsunami relief, Cancer relief etc. Also part of the money he earned through Jaya TV telethon to some good welfare projects. So for I can hear more noises than outcome from him.
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App Engine,
I agree.. Except the last part ..
As i always feel art to be a spontaneous thing.. I might be wrong here.. Once you start polishing it , it's more a science than a Art.. Understand that in today's world, that is not practically possible.. Songs are tuned, rehearsed, arranged and recorded ( some even say today's MD's make sure it sounds good with the bass pronounced even on low end cassette recorder before they release it..) until they think it is good...
Somehow I feel, atleast for me, it loses its pristine quality once you "master" it.... Even IR said in a interview .." Isai enbathu .. manathil irunthu thaana veli varanum.. Thatti thatti podaruthu isai alla ..".. My view is the same..
Art is a natural thing.. some people are born with some talents ( music , dance etc..)..." the american usage " natural " is a perfect way to think abt it..
Once you practise, perfect it , then it loses its majesty.. This is like the sketches that cartoonists do ..on the spot.. spontaneous.
Even though IR also perfects his recording, I think the % of efforts to make it "perfect/master" it are much less compared to other MDs..
Infact i have always wanted to listen to the original Harmonium version of the all the IR tunes.. THough w/o instruments i would love that more than the final recorded version.
My 2 cents
Cheers
MSK
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I saw the trailor of Amirtham in Jaya TV, music by Bhavaratharini. There are two beautiful songs sung by Maestro. One song called Sri Ranganathan is amazing.
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Vysar wrote: |
This is what I want from IR, along with donating diamond hands for a temple I want him to donate money to Tsunami relief, Cancer relief etc. Also part of the money he earned through Jaya TV telethon to some good welfare projects. So for I can hear more noises than outcome from him. |
Lets start with Vysar family welfare fund.
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I already donated for TIS that is in turn IR and your family fund.
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I already donated for TIS that is in turn IR and your family fund. |
Good then we will get in touch.
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jaiganes wrote: |
Quote: | I already donated for TIS that is in turn IR and your family fund. |
Good then we will get in touch. |
Not again Mr. Jai(shankar)ganes. Once bitten twice shy. I don't want to donate any more to IR family (i assume ur part of that right).
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/02/24/stories/2006022403350600.htm
says:
Viswanath touched the zenith of modesty when he said that he drew all his stories from his observations of the goings on around him. I don't watch TV or films. Nor am I a voracious reader. And if the music in my films has been good it's because of the maestros who worked for me. People refuse to believe that I don't know music. But I have an ear for it," he laughed.
...sankarAbharanam, sAgara sangamam, swAthi muthyam...
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YSR new album pattiyal released. IR sang one song (Namma Kaatula) and it rocks. Its a slow version of Attamma Therottama with some "copied" beats in it and has some remix of MSV's "aadaludan paadalaikettu". IR rocks. FYI IR is going to sing another song for YSR.
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njv,
I guess that One more song is for Parutthiveeran, where I read somewhere that Maesro was suppsedly being paid heavily for just one song.. Kudos for actor Surya and his family for producing Paruthiveeran as I expect this song to be royal.
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Renault wrote: |
njv,
I guess that One more song is for Parutthiveeran, where I read somewhere that Maesro was suppsedly being paid heavily for just one song.. Kudos for actor Surya and his family for producing Paruthiveeran as I expect this song to be royal. |
Paruthiveeran is on hold because the film require "dry/draught" environment and due to recent rain it is green everywhere. So they are creating a set (thanks to KH/Virumaandi who created a set for farm land! and now they are continuing the trend). Paruthiveeran reportedly has very good songs and IR was paid 2 lakhs for 1 song, highest to receive by any singer for 1 song.
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njv wrote: |
YSR new album pattiyal released. IR sang one song (Namma Kaatula) and it rocks. Its a slow version of Attamma Therottama with some "copied" beats in it and has some remix of MSV's "aadaludan paadalaikettu". IR rocks. FYI IR is going to sing another song for YSR. |
Just add Bhava to the mix.... YSR career as MD will be doomed!!!
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genesis wrote: |
Just add Bhava to the mix.... YSR career as MD will be doomed!!! |
YSR is doing good and solid, no going south for atleast a decade.
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njv wrote: |
YSR new album pattiyal released. IR sang one song (Namma Kaatula) and it rocks. Its a slow version of Attamma Therottama with some "copied" beats in it and has some remix of MSV's "aadaludan paadalaikettu". IR rocks. FYI IR is going to sing another song for YSR. |
IR's voice is good when he sings for Yuvan, both in Nandha and now Pattiayal. Unfortunately in his own songs, the recording of his voice is so bad with lot of noices. I wonder why he does not even bother to correct it.
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Renault wrote: |
njv,
I guess that One more song is for Parutthiveeran, where I read somewhere that Maesro was suppsedly being paid heavily for just one song.. Kudos for actor Surya and his family for producing Paruthiveeran as I expect this song to be royal. |
I like to hear in the line of Mudhal Mariyathai type of songs from Paruththiveeran, not some synth-based songs came out in BR movies later that killed the nativity. Am I asking too much?
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Hi all,
Ilayaraja's New album Madhu going to release by 02-03-2006 (Thursday).
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That is great !
So we can expect this thread to become active again after a looooooooong slumber
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I hope it turns out to be a better album like ONOK.
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Madhu audio released. IR vows to work with new directors. He also claims all the top notch directors worked with him before they became famous.
http://www.dinakaran.com/epaper/2006/mar/03/disp.asp?i=13_6
http://www.dinakaran.com/epaper/2006/mar/03/13_7.jpg
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IR is the MD for this guy Ramesh's Next movie also, Its going to be directed by one Bala's assistant, I forgot the name
NagaS
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Its time for celebration As 'Madhu' is released. I've listened to it around ten times and Raja has delivered his best for this stereotyped 5 songs movie. Three melodies one kuthu song and one western dance no.
View the Audio Cd Cover here
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/9435/madhuaudiocdcover1rj.jpg
1.Dum iruntha Munnaley Vaa.. Is a surprising Dance no. From Raja. Its been along time since we listened to dance compostions with guitar, trumpets, and nice percussion from Raja. Reminds his 80's compostions like Yaee unnaithane...and Ilamai itho itho though its lacking those kind of Heavy orchestration.
2.Intha ulagil... is a soft melody with heavy synth induced music. Preferably Iam getting bored with Raja using synths in all his recent movies. Though the tune and the whole song is pleasent after repeated litenings.
3.Nilavai Sutri... The tune and orchestration again lacks his vintage style. Though the interludes and the rendering by tippu is good.
4.Ketkavillaya... Is a haunting melody again spoilt by synths. Though Raja is coming up with good tunes this is the area where he has to go back to his roots.
5.Immathundu manasu...Is again a surprise from Raja. Better he does more kuthu nos. where he cant use Synths The song has some beautiful fusion of WCM and Folk. The interludes are awesome reminding songs like 'Singari sarakku'
My pick of the album is Dum iruntha munnaley vaa and Immathundu manasu for not using synths.
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isai mazhai has become isai bOdhai...(according to the cover.jpg that rs posted)...
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I've uploaded some samples from the album:) . Listen to it and Add your comments.
http://files.filefront.com/MadhuSamplesrar/;4836420;;/fileinfo.html
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Happy to see Raja's next album
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app_engine wrote: |
isai mazhai has become isai bOdhai...(according to the cover.jpg that rs posted)... |
some times bOdhai is needed
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heard that IR is going to conduct a "one man show" programme with Lakshman-Shruthi orchestra in Chennai on Apr 23rd in Chennai. It seems he is going to sing all the song and in few cases he is going to play guitar and sing alone.
Any 1 knows anything about it?
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rajasaranam wrote: |
Its time for celebration As 'Madhu' is released. I've listened to it around ten times and Raja has delivered his best for this stereotyped 5 songs movie. Three melodies one kuthu song and one western dance no.
View the Audio Cd Cover here
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/9435/madhuaudiocdcover1rj.jpg
1.Dum iruntha Munnaley Vaa.. Is a surprising Dance no. From Raja. Its been along time since we listened to dance compostions with guitar, trumpets, and nice percussion from Raja. Reminds his 80's compostions like Yaee unnaithane...and Ilamai itho itho though its lacking those kind of Heavy orchestration.
2.Intha ulagil... is a soft melody with heavy synth induced music. Preferably Iam getting bored with Raja using synths in all his recent movies. Though the tune and the whole song is pleasent after repeated litenings.
3.Nilavai Sutri... The tune and orchestration again lacks his vintage style. Though the interludes and the rendering by tippu is good.
4.Ketkavillaya... Is a haunting melody again spoilt by synths. Though Raja is coming up with good tunes this is the area where he has to go back to his roots.
5.Immathundu manasu...Is again a surprise from Raja. Better he does more kuthu nos. where he cant use Synths The song has some beautiful fusion of WCM and Folk. The interludes are awesome reminding songs like 'Singari sarakku'
My pick of the album is Dum iruntha munnaley vaa and Immathundu manasu for not using synths. |
Thanks for providing the link rs.
Absolutely, the songs are awesome!
Reminds of his 80s compositions.. especially the trumpets and guitar usage!
Good One Totally
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18 Downloads and only one comment
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100 vaarthaigal.
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com/
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Madhu..
Nothing impressive on first hearing
"Dhum irundhaa.." starts in a promising way, but sucks ultimately.
btw..when will Raja get rid of his age old "chikkku chikku chaa.." kind of chorus ??
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100 varathaigal by karthick it reflects the same thoughts i had after listening to the album
As of now Iam in love with 'Dum iruntha munnalaey vaa...', 'Immathundu manasu' and 'ketkavillaya...'
The guitar in 'Dum..' that follows each and every line the singer sings is awesome...Its interesting to see that even after so many years he is able to come up with such youthful tracks.
And again the trumpet and folk beats usage in 'Immathundu manasu' is clear vintage Raja composition. Barring the lyrics [ufff vaali....] The song is gonna be a rage if the film becomes a hit
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raja_fan wrote: |
btw..when will Raja get rid of his age old "chikkku chikku chaa.." kind of chorus ?? |
When everybody else will get rid of it Listen to 'Ilamai...' from Godfather. ARR uses the same 'Cham chikki chikki chaan chikki chaan....'
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Karthik's blog was very reflective of this Album. But hey, being an IR fan why would I want to get ahead. This is very much a better album, and some of the melodies are pretty good (though it leaves you with a feel of "I have heard this before"). I instantly liked "Dum Irundha", taking me back to "Ilamai Idho Idho" days. The lyrics seem were teasers like "April Mayile". Peppy song this. The kutthu song is a waste. "Ketka Villaya" and "Nilavai Sutri" are very much likeable. "Indha Ulagil" is pedastrian at the very best. Overall a very much listenable album from IR, though it will not rock the charts.
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With the exception of Immathoondu manasu, the rest of the soundtrack reminded me of IR's My Dear Marthandan. Its that period that I reflect upon when I listen to this soundtrack. And I love the 4 tracks except Indha ulagil - on loop in my iPod.
The only issue is that if we blame S A Rajkumar for not going beyond a la la la music, the same should apply to Raja too I guess. I suppose the new-age successes like ARR, YSR and HJ have spoilt us by trying some new sound in every other album.
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Any Idea about this movie
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/telugu/25/
Teja are you around ?
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ketkavilaya reminds us of the 80s raja.fantastic orchestration. great to listen. What a change from the modern techno!!
Long live great mastero.
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Kaetkavillaya is the pick of the album.Wonderful orchestration and a typical Raja Melody.
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i dont understand some of the comments about the album being disappoinment. Ofcourse everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. In my opinion however this is a raja album after a long long time that I liked upon the vry first hearing. 3 awesome melodies with super orchestration..1 modern song that might appeal to youngsters and a koothu. You cant expect raja to deliver more than this. And all this im saying after just listening the low quality samples in musicindiaonlin.com. IN my view its an awesome album by raja in recent times. Just my 2 cents.
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there are some awesome bass lines too but not sure if its synth bass or from a real bass guitar. can the pundits clarify
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Madhu = Same tunes with out synth would have taken this album to another level. Nevertheless very good album. Somone here said IR is only accepting selective movies. Hope he does it going forward.
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I think KR was not there for part of the album. His irritating synths are missing and I'm glad. Wished he were out during the entire album recording.
Nilavai Chitri --> Kewl jazzy number sans synth. Some sax/trumphets would have elevated it more.
Ketkavillayaa --> Nice violin in the start and boom the synths start off. Nice melody. Good violin arrangements throught. Like the Bachish interlude.
Intha Ulagil --> Holds a lot of resemblence to "Niram Pirithu parthen". My favorite in the album.
Good album from IR overall. Not sure how well it will survive in "soomama simiyala kooli ya ya" kind of songs
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Intha Ulagil --> the piano and tune sounds more like "Ullathil ulladhai paesa..." the bit song inside "ponnuku indha maappillayai..." in ONOK
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http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=244051&disdate=3/9/2006
Raja with MSV, nice picture!
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Guys
Someone had mentioned that the movie has a song of the range of Ilamai Idho Idho from Sakalakala Vallavan,
Unfortunately I couldnt find any song of that range.
Nevertheless, it is a decent IR album.
Somehow I get a feeling that IR is not using instruments very freely as he used to in the gold old days. He is somehow fettered to something for sure It is not flowing smoothly as in Sakalakala Vallavan.
Anyways, watched the movie Kannukul Nilavu, the songs were gems..... It is good that IR has not disappointed Fasil so far with ONOK songs being so melodious.
He has been a little bit disappointing in AOKK.
I think he doesnt have any big budget movies now. My last hope is NAAN KADAVUL from Bala.
It is sad that all major producers,directors,actors have moved from IR.
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Raja Fan
Ponnuku indha song from ONOK is a typical IR song. IR has used the same tune in many films I guess.......
I think chinna zameen movie has a similar tune. I think that tune is commonplace for IR (he changes it a little bit whenever he is not motivated )
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Indha Ulagil and Nilavai Chutri are truely classy songs.
Especially in Nilavai Chutri, the tune for the lines "andhanan un meedhu...." transports the listener to a whole another level....
Raja Rajadhan
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Nilavai Chutri: Fantastic Natabhairavi
Indha Ulagil (same tune as "Vanam namakku Veedhi..." from Anjali): what is the ragam?
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Does anybody know about this movie Kelviyin Nayagan. IMDB quotes it as IR's 500th movie and director is Manirathnam
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006137/bio
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274606/
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http://dailythanthi.com/magazines/veli_cinema.htm
Raja doing a movie called `jail'...
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i think it is an inaccurate data provided in imdb. the source of the data must be the biography entry, which is credited to Ravichandran Annaswamy. plus the biography says IR's real name is Daniel Rajayya, honestly i never knew that IR was a born christian (or is he?).
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Anjali is IR's 500th movie
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thamizhvaanan wrote: |
i think it is an inaccurate data provided in imdb. the source of the data must be the biography entry, which is credited to Ravichandran Annaswamy. plus the biography says IR's real name is Daniel Rajayya, honestly i never knew that IR was a born christian (or is he?). |
IR was born christian and original name is daniel rasayya.
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then did he change it to Gnanadesikan ?.... phew ...he has had quite a few names and no doubt each one of them wud be cherished in music history
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swathy wrote: |
Anjali is IR's 500th movie |
you are wrong. It was 600th movie of IR
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I am yet to recover from the hallucinations that "Indha Ulagil" from Madhu created. Why is it not up in coolgoose yet??
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Madhu ..not fresh. No song registered in my mind. Technically might be sound, but emotionally it did not ring a bell. To me the tune is important, it has to be fresh. Then comes other things - like chords, fills, counterpoints etc. I am not even particular about different arrangements. Just plain tabla is okay with me.
Yesterday, I managed to catch avathaaram:thenRal vandhu theendum pOthu on SunTV (which otherwise seems to broadcast mostly crap) .Well, that is a song ..that is a masterpiece. Probably one of the best in the last decade by IR. Nothing, even faintly comparable to that, in this album.
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"Immathoondu manasu" is a good fun song with nice orchestration (lots of classic IR touches). Liked the trumpet sound after every line in the charanam! With good picturisation/dance movements, this song may become popular. Although Malathi has sung well, I did not like her overblown voice in few places! - 4.5/5
First interlude of "Indha Ulagil" is a good one...reminds us of old IR! Although this song reminds us of "Niram Pirithu" song...this tune does not match up that tune. However this song will stay in my library because of the music. Especially for the strings magic from the last portion of 2nd charanam! I feel Shalini (is she the pop singer??) has sung it well...only in some places its a little nasal. - 3.5/5
When IR starts "Ketkavillaiya", I got reminded about IR's voice in TIS album. The tune starts very ordinary...but transforms into a better tune. The first interlude is a decent one with a typical IR twist in it! The second interlude is again simple and ok. Is that guitar in the second interlude. Both IR & Manjari has sung well. - 3/5
I have a strong feeling that I have heard the starting music of "Nilavai Chutri" (is the music inspired from one of the songs by "Barbie girl" singer?) . Again the tune sounds a bit ordinary. IR is back to synth stuff in the interludes. The flute kind of sound sounds good in the 2nd interlude. Sung well by Tippu. - 1.5/5
"Dum Irundha" starts well and is catchy, but I doubt if it will keep up with the current trend! I dont like the way the tune changes when they sing "Eri Erangi nee poga"...heard quite a lot like that from IR. Song pace itself keeps Eri Erangify like that in portions! Guitar insertions are good. Sung well by the singers. - 3/5.
On the whole an ok effort. I will treasure the first two songs from this album. Good thing is, the synth usage has gone down.
BTW, I heard it in good quality mp3's. My colleagues had it.
thanks,
Krishnan
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kiru,
avatharam was a masterpiece from IR which almost went unnoticed at that time. Other gems from that film were:
1. aridharatha poosi kolla aasai
2. chandhirarum sooriyarum
Even the song "oru kundu maNi kulunguthadi" was fresh with typical "grAmiya maNam".
Its indeed a mystery why IR has resorted to synth stuff !!
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avatharam is indeed a masterpiece - the music and the movie.
The way 'thendral vanthu theendum pothu' is picturised is also classic stuff. I think that song picturisation influenced the lyrics and picturisation of Maniratnam/Vairamuthu's 'pachchai nirame'
I watched 'athu oru kanaa kalam' on DVD last weekend and loved it. Raja has ruled the roost all along the movie. Especially the song, 'kaattu vazhi kaal nadaya'.
....later
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Sometimes we miss celebrating IR songs when they come out. A recent example is songs from the movie "Karagattakari". 5 of the 6 songs are very good.
Th best song is "Enga Ooru Laila". Infact, when you see many of the MDs strain to give fast paced songs ( recent examples in Adhi), you have to listen to this song to feel how IR can create such songs with such ease and mastery
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Krish and Kiru: Maybe listening too much ARR and Harris have confused your hearing senses. If Indha Ulagil is not a good song, I don't know what is!
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Kr,
I did not like karagattakari in the first listen..and set aside the CD for a while ..I picked it up this week and liked 2 -3 songs very much ..My pick is sada maada petchukellam sari pattu... Amazing melody and such a smooth flow.. I did not recognize the female singer on this .. Manjari or Mahathi...someone like that.. not bad..
Enga Ooru Laila is OK, but did not think it was that fast paced.. compare to Aattamaa Therottamma, Maala Karukalile from Enga ooru Kaavakaran ( P.Suseela )..
Cheers
MSK
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Add one more to good songs list in Karagaattakaari. That is "Kotti Vecha Muthae". The only blemish in the song is the lack of SJanaki. Put her in and you have a great song. Simple, melancholic and beautiful.
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"Enga ooru laila laila" may not be a typical fast number, but a nice catchy, peppy tune in the forgotten scale by many MDs ie MMG.
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Hi
IR magic is somehow missing in recent albums.
Chidambarathi oru appaswamay/Athu oru kanakalam/Kasturi Maan/Madhu. Frankly not IR standard.
As pointed out by Kiru , first tune should catch our mind.
ramesh
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Umaramesh,
I may like to take an exception.
1. All songs in Athu Oru were good (including Unnaley Thookkam kettu pochhu) and Andha Naal Nyaabagam is a beauty. It is sad that the movie was a wash-out and hence the songs were never popular. May be people's taste have become crappier than it was ever before as Thayir Saadham and Vadu Maanga songs (courtesy perarusu) became chart-busters.. God Save Music Lovers!!!
2. Kasthuri Maan didn't have proper publicity. Songs were not too great...agreed and Madan in his thirai paarvai rightly pointed Raja's mistake.. he should have convinced Lohit das to have just 2-3 songs in the movie as the movie's strength is its screenplay. Still Kekkalayo is a good song. But it should have sung by a quality singer like SPB or a Mano at least.
3. Chidambarathil actually did better than any of those released movies in the list.. 50 day run in theatres and a Jaya TV telecast.. paisa vasool for Thangar. Nalla Vaazhvu and Ponna Porantha are haunting melodies from the Maestro.
Haven't listened to Msdhu yet.
But Ilayaraja fans may actually see even better songs considering his films pipeline:
1. Aadum Koothu (Cheran)
2. Maaya Kannadi (Cheran)
3. Naan Kadavul (Bala, Ajith).. this could be ultimate.. watch out..Crapalbums like tirupati are seeling like hot cakes among Ajit fans.. Ilayaraja's music will get back it's publicity through the so-called "Thala" fans when the album gets released.
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Renault wrote: |
1. Aadum Koothu (Cheran)
2. Maaya Kannadi (Cheran)
3. Naan Kadavul (Bala, Ajith).. this could be ultimate.. watch out..Crapalbums like tirupati are seeling like hot cakes among Ajit fans.. Ilayaraja's music will get back it's publicity through the so-called "Thala" fans when the album gets released. |
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IR indeed is the MD of pachakuthira
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/article/20769.html
s, the malayalam one
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Hi Renalut
Thanks for the reply. I think director like cheran and bala can bring best out of IR.
May be people's taste have become crappier than it was ever before as Thayir Saadham and Vadu Maanga songs (courtesy perarusu) became chart-busters.. God Save Music Lovers
You are right. I heard songs from TIRUPATHI. Most of the songs are like this. Who know this might be super hit when film get released.
ramesh
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IR paid money to score 1993 symphony not by invitation claim two retired professors. They allege that IR cheated everyone by hiding the truth. Read details here:
http://www.dinakaran.com/epaper/2006/mar/23/disp.asp?i=13_5
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This is not new.
I wrote to RPO sometime in 1995 (or may be late 1994) inquiring about how Raja was chosen to perform the symphony and when it will be released.
They wrote back saying 'Raja approached us' - They did not mention anything about money transfers.
They also said Raja owns the copyrights of the recordings so it is upto him to release it.
The letter also had some high praise for Raja as a musician and some vague description of the music he recorded at RPO as being western classical with a heavy influence of Indian rythms. I forget the details now.
So these two learned people are too late:-)
As for the claim of there being no music form as Symphonic oratorio, they me be right. I know nothing about this sort of stuff.
However, if they are right, I would propose that history should rightfully record that one Mr. Illayaraja from Tamil Nadu, was the first one to define and use the musical form 'Symphonic-oratorio'
....later
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the news about RPO symphony#1 is surprising. I didnt know about that. what else surprise is in store?
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I feel is a couple of loosers who are trying to vent out their stomach burns. Let these 2 pay money and get invitation from RPH and compose a "theorotical" symphony. Let's see if the output better that their farting
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Hello,
I request all to note the newspaper in which that news has come ! It is the new 1 Re newspaper from the SUN family.
Then decide whether the news value is any better than the crap what we hear everyday in SUN TV or Jaya TV. Also, apparently we all know that IR does not enjoy good relationships with MK and his family nowadays.
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vijayr, the news about RPO symphony - is it really "news"? Or "gossip"? or "stomach burn syndrome"? or "unfounded allegation"? or "proven allegation"?
Or are you going to explain that the very fact that the question has arise is proof that there is something fishy?
Okay, let me throw in a few unfounded allegations - Kakkai Siraginilae was written by Kannan, that celebrated assistant of Subramania Bharathy, later appropriated by Bharathiyaar as his own creation.
Kannadasan falsely claimed credit for Arthamulla Hindu Madham when really, it was Panchu Arunachalam who wrote it.
It was actually Santosh Sivan who directed Roja but he owed a few crores to Manirathnam and GV at that time so he gave up the credit.
Wait till these allegations spread and some website eventually reproduces it and I will reproduce that link here to prove my allegations.
So much for 'unbiasedness'(heck there is no such word but it suits my purpose here) and objectiveness
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Hello !!,
1. RPL is the favourite symphony orchestra of the British Royal family and is patroned by the family, especially the queen. Are they begging for some Ilaiyaraja from TamilNadu to give them MONEY to fill their stomcah !! ?? What nonsense allegations !!?? Sonnaaalum nambumpadiyaa sollanum.
2. Are the musicians of RPL all idiots to sit for hours and rehearse in front of an Indian for Money ??
3. How much money can IR give to RPL ? He himself was in financial toruble before few years.
4. Why did not any other music director in India or Asia try this if it is so easy ??
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Is this the reason why isnt released yet?
[quote="rajdes"]vijayr, the news about RPO symphony - is it really "news"? Or "gossip"? or "stomach burn syndrome"? or "unfounded allegation"? or "proven allegation"?[quote]
Hope the truth unfolds soon.
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"Or are you going to explain that the very fact that the question has arise is proof that there is something fishy? "
rajdes, why should I explain anything?
I dont understand your outburst yet again. I am a reader,and I was just responding to both the news in the link as well as multinamatheyan's post(he kind of endorsed what was there in the link based on the personal reply he received and is a reliable poster here).I just said it was a "surprising news" thats all. The rest is all your imagination. I havent made any accusation or allegation myself nor have I said something is fishy. You seem to be putting words in my mouth everytime.It has appeared in a newspaper, so technically yes its indeed a "news" piece at this point and a surprising one at that.Do I have to investigate and find all the details before even expressing surprise at the news item? I understand that you are frustrated that IR managed to land his name in a few controversies one after another.But your anger seems to be a tad misguided here. As for "unbiasedness" or objectiveness, what has that got to do with this? I never claimed anywhere that I was a symbol of objectivity anyways.Again, as assumption on your part.
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and like everyone else, I am hoping that this is a false news item, although the fact that RPO themselves had replied to multi about "Raja approaching them" makes it a little ambiguous.
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1 Rs newspaper - do you expect anything reasonable or truth there, specially coming from MK family. You got to be kidding. They start rumour like this just to get their pictures on the news paper. I would honestly use this paper to clean up my dog's ****.
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and multinamatheyan post ...
yes IR approached. whats the problem. this is very well known. he wanted to score symphony and approached RPO and the rest is history. IR actually DOES NOT own the copyright. Another "leading" music company owns them. IR in general owns the exclusive copyright for his music. For e.g. as a creator of the music, he is free enough to use the music at any place he want to use, including but not limited to, orchestra, public / private performance, his film music, as bgm for film etc. This "leading" company didnt agree for IR's term and is the reason why they never came to an agreement and hence not released officially.
"Niraikudam Thathumbaathu" - IR is keeping quite because he is "beyond this crap"
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raja_fan wrote: |
Hello !!,
1. RPL is the favourite symphony orchestra of the British Royal family and is patroned by the family, especially the queen. Are they begging for some Ilaiyaraja from TamilNadu to give them MONEY to fill their stomcah !! ?? What nonsense allegations !!?? Sonnaaalum nambumpadiyaa sollanum.
2. Are the musicians of RPL all idiots to sit for hours and rehearse in front of an Indian for Money ??
3. How much money can IR give to RPL ? He himself was in financial toruble before few years.
4. Why did not any other music director in India or Asia try this if it is so easy ?? |
raja_fan
#1. Its simple. The entire country is so corrupted and you can blame anyone or any organization as corrupt and we corrupt indians will believe it.
So the most corrupt family giving free stuff to create record sales, be it kungumam or dinakaran, is trying to fill in some pages and the corrupt indian mind will believe it (For those who dont agree that it is the most corrupt/criminal movie, watch Swadesi. The scene where the "villian" remove the mask of CM to let him die is nothing but the death of Annadurai. It all came in papers (and unfortunately we didnt had the internet to carry it along many masses).)
#2. PPl who read this 1 Rs paper will believe so
#3. There will be another article that will say "IR got money by cheating this producer blah blah blah"
#4. Even if you bribe, you need to posses talent and quality. So they would finally post another news some other day that IR is the first and only indian to score symphony.
poor readers - news papers - all over the world - is just a s h i t.
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The way I understood the letter that was sent me by RPO was like this:
IR approached RPO with a proposal. The RPO liked the idea and agreed to attach their name to the product.
If the music Raja presented them with was not upto the mark, then they would have declined Raja's proposal.
Like someone said here, RPO is not going to tarnish it's name and reputation for a few lousy rupees.
I know of idiots in Toronto who say that Maniratnam movies are invited to the Toronto film festival because he pays them money. If it is that easy, then we will definitely have Simbu movies palying at festivals around the world.
I just pointed out that these two 'learned gentlemen' did not find out any himalayan truth - it was known already.
Now release the music gosh darn it
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"I just pointed out that these two 'learned gentlemen' did not find out any himalayan truth - it was known already. "
I didnt know that IR approached RPO, the story we have heard was that Sony informed RPO about IR, they listened to HTNI/NBW and they invited him to do it. Thats how it has been so far.Thats why it came a s a surprise. But those 2 guys have also added the money factor to it, which is certainly not known already like you say and which might be entirely their own BS at this point.
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hmmm This seems interesting
Infact RPO can be hired it seems from this page
https://www.rpo.co.uk/concert_promoters_html.asp
I too had the same illussion that Raja was approached by RPO for conducting a Symphony for them. Though the news and the website information shatters that. Iam happy to see that Johnscott the conductor/composer have high esteem for Raja and his first symphony conducted at RPO.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~rlevy/current_question.html
http://www.raaja.com/Rv-John%20Scott.pdf
'Kozhi Kuruda iruntha enna nondiya iruntha enna Kozhambu Rusiyaa iruntha podhum'
Raja Approach pannara illa RPO approach pannangalandrathu thevai illai. The composed symphony was pathbreaking and innovative is the words from the mouth of the conductor thats enough for me.
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I think it is probably like the Hungarian orchestra playing for TIS. The artistes are compensated after the recording is booked in advance.
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rajasaranam wrote: |
hmmm This seems interesting
Infact RPO can be hired it seems from this page
https://www.rpo.co.uk/concert_promoters_html.asp
I too had the same illussion that Raja was approached by RPO for conducting a Symphony for them. Though the news and the website information shatters that. Iam happy to see that Johnscott the conductor/composer have high esteem for Raja and his first symphony conducted at RPO.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~rlevy/current_question.html
http://www.raaja.com/Rv-John%20Scott.pdf
'Kozhi Kuruda iruntha enna nondiya iruntha enna Kozhambu Rusiyaa iruntha podhum'
Raja Approach pannara illa RPO approach pannangalandrathu thevai illai. The composed symphony was pathbreaking and innovative is the words from the mouth of the conductor thats enough for me. |
well said rajasaranam
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The following are based on an old vikatan article, on RPO symphony:
1. IR wanted to 'CONDUCT' a symphony (like Zubin Mehta) and approached RPO.
2. To ascertain his calibre, a team was sent by them to Chennai (probably included John Scott, I don't know the exact names) to watch IR conducting.
3. They were so much impressed by his COMPOSING (nothing written about his conducting skills), that there was a proposal to compose a symphony which can be recorded in London later on.
4. IR enthusiastically carried out the job in the shortest possible time.
Well, symphonic orchestra can definitely be hired (RPO no exception). There's nothing wrong in it. What's wrong if IR had funded it? No reliable news item at the time of composing / recording of the RPO symphony claimed that it was initiated by someone other than IR...it DID got initiated by IR!
EdhO pudhiya kaNdupidippu mAdhiri ippO reNdu pEr kiLambi irukkAnga...mAna nashta vazhakkAm...ivangaLukku enna mAnam nashtam Achchu...ini mEl definite'A Agum enbadhu thAn uNmai..
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I dont think IR wanted to conduct a symphony.
I got these posts from old TFM threads which had discussion probably at that time around the non-release. Article from Hindu with Q&A of IR has been posted, where he claims that it was Pyramind who approached RPO&IR and RPO in turn checked him out . Mike Townsend's version seems to contradict IR's interview a little bit. He says IR wanted to compose a symphony and approached RPO.Looks like there were 2 different views even at that time. But the bottomline is, they still checked his credentials out, before extending the invite, whether he paid money or not.
# From: Raja Fan (@ ) on: Tue Jan 7 05:35:58 EST 2003
Article from "THE HINDU - International Edition" September 4, 1993
A SYMPHONY OF SUCCESS
With 3,500-odd songs in 650 films, Ilayaraja now occupies an unrivalled No. 1 spot in Tamil cinema. The ace music director added yet another feather to his cap recently by writing a Western symphony and having it played by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, London, thus becoming
the first composer from Asia to do so. How did it all come about?
If genius is one per cent inspiration and 99 per cent perspiration, the man who has lived up to it to achieve international fame and fortune through music is Ilayaraja whose name is now synonymous with success in the Tamil film industry. From the obscure village of Pannaipuram in Madurai district, where he was born on June 2, 1943, to the pinnacle in the world of music -- writing a symphony and having it played by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, London, recently it has been for him an arduous climb uphill through adversity. From setting tunes to his brother Pavalar Varadarajan's songs for stage plays to an unrivalled No. 1 spot in Tamil film music and then on to the latest distinction, Ilayaraja has indeed come a long way. Until 'Annakili' (1976) catapulted him to fame, it was no path of roses for him after he came to Madras in 1968 with his two younger brothers, Bhasker and Gangai Amaran, to try his luck in films. But after 'Annakili' it was accolades all the way. Ilayaraja attributes it all to the mercy of God. Recently he talked to The Hindu. Excerpts:
Q: How did you get the offer to write a symphony?
Pyramid International, a recording company based in London, asked me whether I would be interested in writing a symphony. Writing a symphony needs much concentration. I said, "If I agree to write a symphony, how do you propose to market it? The people there who listen to classical music do not know about me. How do you make it possible for them to hear my music?" They said, You leave that part to us." Only then did I agree to it.
That made them get in touch with several orchestras and eventually they chose the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (RPO), considered the best in the world, which plays only great Western classical composers.
The RPO people said that they did not know about me. They said that I might be a very good composer, but what about my caliber in Western classical music? So complete details about me were sent to them. My two discs, 'Nothing but Wind' and 'How to name it,' were sent. That convinced them of my capability to write a symphony.
Q: So you started writing the symphony?
No. I asked for a co-ordinator. They sent Michael Townsend. He can conduct, arrange. He is a one-man army as far as music is concerned. He came and saw me work in films. He said, 'When you were writing the score, you did not struggle for any ideas. You did not take your pen off the script before finishing it. I have never seen such a composer before. Your dedication is remarkable.' When he saw the re-recorded film, he was moved. He was really stunned to by the synchronisation of the music with the film. He told the RPO that this time they were going to record the work of a composer who was different.
Q: So you agreed to write the symphony for the RPO?
Yes. They laid certain conditions. The foremost was that I must send the score at least three months in advance. I accepted, but my film commitments made me give the score only a month before the recording. In fact, I gave the last piece only 12 days before the recording.
But when the recording was over in London, all the musicians broke into a standing ovation. They started tapping the floor with their feet. I was thrilled and thanked the Almighty for giving me this opportunity to write a symphony and have it recorded.
Q: What exactly is a symphony?
It is a form of orchestration. We have in our system of music different elements -- geetam, swarajathi, varnam, keerthanam. Film music is also a form, something like keerathanam with pallavi, anupallavi, and charanam. Symphony, which has three main elements, is a form too. What I do in films is also a kind of symphony. For a full-fledged orchestra, symphony is the mainstay.
Q: How did you feel when every member of the RPO congratulated you?
He (God) made it happen. It was unbelievable. There are thousands of people who are practising or composing music. But who got the chance? Who selected me? I did not do anything. He (God) selected me. I prayed to God in gratitude that He made me do it.
Q: What do you think of the computer music coming up in a big way in films?
Conductor John Scott also asked me about computer music. He has a computer and I too have one. Scott and I went to a bookstall and bought some books. To total the prices of the books, the store staff started searching for the calculator. But I calculated the total and told them before the
calculator could do it. They asked me how I was able to do it. If you do not know arithmetical calculations, then you need a calculator.
This is how I explain computer music. Anybody can buy a computer and make it play 'C' major. Anyone can compose music easily with a computer. But this is for the laymen. If you have the skill you do not need a computer ... In computer music, after a few songs, one gets fed up because the computer can give only certain variations as programmed. You will never get anything new in moods or emotions.
Q: What are your 'bests' in films?
The moment I can say that this is my best song or best music in films, I will stop giving music. I still do not know what music really is and I am trying hard to comprehend it. Once I know it, I will have my fulfilment and I will stop doing what I am doing now.
Q: Six hundred and fifty films in 17 years, 3500-odd songs. If you still say you have not done anything, then ...
For you, I am Ilayaraja. But for me, "Who am I?" I have not even started tuning my instrument properly. Then I must synchronise the tampura with the sruti, next practice it, and last comes the singing.
Q: How many days did you take to write the symphony?
One month. Some eminent composers have taken three to 14 years. Some others just three days.
Q: It seems that Pandit Ravishanker and L. Subramanyam have also done a symphony and that was also recorded in London.
I do not know whether they have recorded a symphony or not. But the RPO's programme executive, Ian Maclay, wrote to me mentioning that I was the first composer from whole of Asia to write a symphony.
Q: Have you named the symphony?
No. Scott told me that he could name it 'Fantasy.' I said it was not fantasy. I have a couple of names in mind, but I have not decided on it.
Q: Did any of the Carnatic music exponents congratulate you on your achievement?
T. V. Gopalakrishnan, Mandolin Srinivas were there to receive me at the airport. The 'Bhishma' of Carnatic music, Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer, came to my place twice to congratulate me.
Q: What do you plan to do after this?
Nothing is in my hands. We plan so many things. But can anyone predict what will happen? So I do not plan. Whatever comes, take it in your stride. If you aim at something and do not get it, you feel dejected ... He (God) is planning in His own way.
Q: Does the Carnatic base help you in your chosen field?
Carnatic music and Western classical music are two different cultures, though the sounds are the same. The difference between the two systems is: one is like living with the people and the other like living alone. Carnatic music is like living in solitude and doing meditation like our sages. Western music needs harmony, counterpoints and many accompaniments. It is like living with
people.
Q: From Pannaipuram to films -- do you think you have achieved what you wanted?
No. I do not think of anything as my achievement. Today's record may be betterd tomorrow.
[S. R. Ashok Kumar]
# From: Raja Fan (@ ) on: Tue Jan 7 05:38:09 EST 2003
Michael N Townend
Maestro Ilaiyaraaja: A Very Special Talent from Madras
MICHAEL N TOWNEND was the Orchestration Adviser and Music Producer for the Symphony project with the RPO. An eminent composer, orchestrator and arranger, he works in a wide spectrum of music from Jazz, Pop, and Classical to films and TV serials. As music co-ordinator for this project, he first visited Madras in February 1993 for initial discussions with Ilaiyaraaja. He shares his experience in this article which was published in the 1993 Autumn News Letter of the Association of Professional Composers (APC), London.
Earlier this year I was fortunate enough to be invited to visit Madras as the guest of an Indian composer who is known-very well known as I later discovered- simply as ILAIYARAAJA. The reason for my visit was that enquiries had been made on the Maestros behalf to various bodies, organisations, orchestral management and associations (including our own APC) to investigate the possibility of arranging a recording here in Britain of a new work that he was intending to write. He wished, in fact, to extend his already prodigious output in a more positively artistic and perhaps, intellectually demanding manner by composing and recording a Symphony, in the hope that in this way, his considerable musical talents would reach a wider and more international audience.
In the event, the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra had been selected to record his symphony, and my involvement as that of adviser on matters such as modern conventions in orchestration and recording procedures since I had been working closely with the RPO for some time previously. The Maestro wished me to advise him on matters such as the various strengths or weaknesses of the orchestra, and how best to write for such combinations, and in what form he should write to achieve the best results. It transpired that he had an incredibly busy schedule, which was why he requested that I visit him, rather than he visit us here in the UK.
Now, before the beginning of this year I had not, I have to confess, heard of neither Maestro Ilaiyaraaja nor any of his music. So it was with considerable curiosity (and perhaps even a mild degree of skeptical disbelief) that I listened to the CD titled How To Name It? which was handed to me by way of preparation for my visit to Madras.
My initial impressions on hearing this album were that the composer was clearly both talented, and well versed in many different musical traditions from all ends of the musical spectrum. There were strong influences from Bach particularly, and Mozart, and other composers from both Baroque and Classical periods of Western music, but also, quite properly as one would expect, influences from his own rich musical heritage with many complex and interesting rhythmic patterns and the use of ethnic scales, modes, stylistic devices, ornamentations and inflexions. This diversity and his fluency in using and combining such influences was very obviously one of his major strengths.
Thus prepared, I went to Madras with considerable respect for this man, but still retaining a degree of skepticism for what I suspected were the more extravagant claims for the magnitude of his output. Although I was aware of the scale of the film industry in India, I was still unprepared for the scene in Madras - particularly when compared to the sad decline of our own film industry here in Britain.
Meeting the Maestro at the film studious AVM where he has worked for many years with enormous successes, I was greeted by this quiet, gentle and kind man, who, with good reason, is held in semi-reverence by those around him, yet who was prepared to take time out from his busy schedule scoring for films to meet me and consult with me about matters relating to the planning and necessary preparations for the writing and recording of his first symphony.
The first eye-opener for me was learning that this particular composer was so popular with the film-going audiences in Southern India (whose enthusiastic appetite for the cinema equals only their love of cricket) that his photograph appears on the posters, billboards and advertising for the film - as large as the photos of the actors whose popularity and status he rivals. Apparently, his name attached to a film (and his picture on the publicity) guarantees the film producer at least five additional weeks retention in the cinemas. The public adores him, and as such, producers are constantly beating a path to his door; he can and does command as high a fee as he considers a film producers budget can stand - and he gets it.
I tried to describe for him the difference in the situation over here or in America; how many of the general public know or even care who wrote the music for most of our films, let alone would recognize and appreciate the composers picture on the billboards? I would imagine quite a few people would have heard of John Williams, but would they know what he looks like?
Naturally this pre-eminence in the industry allows Ilaiyaraaja great freedom, both artistically, in terms of the style of music and the instrumentation that he may choose to employ and the artists, but also editorially. What do I mean? Well this was my next eye-opener; the producer or director doesnt tell the Maestro which music cues he will require, nor does he decide where they will begin or end, or what mood he wishes the music to help create or reinforce - the Maestro tells him!
This revolutionary approach certainly has one very positive effect, which is easily and instantly appreciated; there is much less time wasted in the early stages of planning and pre-production, and less hassle for the composer, who is not therefore subjected to delays while re-shoots or re-cut versions are prepared, nor made to suffer the criticisms and indecision of a committee of opinions.
My latent skepticism on being told that Ilaiyaraaja had scored the music for 700 films in 17 years all but vanished when I arrived at the film studios to observe him working on a new film from the outset. My awe and admiration for him increased when I realised that without the aid of lists of music cues, a music editor or even a stopwatch, the Maestro was able to compose accurately a piece for a particular film cue which fitted exactly not only the required timing but also the mood and pace of the action on the screen, heightening the tension if it was a fight scene, or enhancing with beautiful lyrical melodies the romantic mood of a love scene, or just adding spontaneously joyous excitement rhythmically to a dance scene.
Having written this piece in a form of short score - part Western notation and part Tamil - with full instructions for the orchestration, the players clustered round him proceeded to write their own parts out, and immediately sit down to record this piece. This practice itself accounts for the speed at which a film score can be completed (just two and a half days was his record) but this in no way diminishes the achievements of the composer, who brings such natural and intuitive talent to his work.
Although he says of himself that the music comes from God and he is merely the conduit for its transmission, it must be said that without his incredible ability to absorb influences and use them to such good effect, combined with his innate musical skills and finely-tuned ear, God might perhaps have sought a different channel of musical communication. As it is, all of India, not merely the South, must feel very proud of its native composer who has achieved so much for films and now in the wider sphere of recorded music.
The recordings with the RPO were extremely successful. The music contained so many beautiful melodies and exciting moments, and was found to be quite challenging by the orchestra, who were naturally unfamiliar with the Maestros style at first, but who soon became adept at its interpretation.
Many were expecting the music to display a more obviously Indian flavor, but since I was aware that Ilaiyaraaja had set himself the task of reaching the widest possible international audience and did not wish his work to be heard in the context of a novelty item or a fusion of East and West in ways which have already been explored, I was not surprised by the accessibility of the music to Western ears. Nevertheless, Indian influences there are in abundance in the way in which he has used rhythms, and certain stylistic and ornamentational devices, and I for one am glad that these are present in this his first symphony.
It is truly a very accessible piece of music and one, which I hope, will be played and enjoyed throughout the world. I was very proud to have been involved both as an orchestration adviser, and as music producer to this project from the very beginning; from the moment that I first heard the exciting music of Maestro Ilaiyaraaja back in January 93. I hope our association will continue long into the future.
Mike Townend lives in Rickmansworth with his wife Gill, a professional Music Copyist.
44 Eastwick Crescent, Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire WD3 2YJ England
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app engine,
inime akirathukkukooda stock irukanume! illaatha maanam eppadi nashtam akum?
Anyway, I think V and V got some name recognition out of this. aduththa therthalla ninnaalum aacharyapaduraththukku illai.
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vijayr,
Pyramid interantional wanted IR to write a symphony. They Approached IR. IR sent his NBW and HTNI Cd's and asked for a coordinator. Michael townsend came down to chennai after listening to HTNI and approved of IR. and The symphony recording happened.
Where are the contradicting views in these If any they should be your imagination
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rajsaranam, I thought there was a slight difference between Pyramid asking IR to compose(who probably had'nt even thought about it until then) and then finding the right orchestra who would allow them to do it vs IR being interested on his own to compose a symphony and requesting Pyramid to enquire about orchestras on his behalf. Townsend says that IR wanted to expand his body of work by writing a symphony and enquiries were made on his behalf to several organizations/orchestras. IR says "God selected him" out of several aspiring composers to do this, while he "didnt do anything".
Plus the Vikatan version seems to be different too.
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njv wrote: |
1 Rs newspaper - do you expect anything reasonable or truth there, specially coming from MK family. You got to be kidding. They start rumour like this just to get their pictures on the news paper. I would honestly use this paper to clean up my dog's ****. |
Now kumudam "reporter" has come up with big headlines saying the same story. what's you say about kumudam mag? Just curious.
I think you can go for Dinamalar for cleaning your dog's ****, because they say sunday-nna rendu, useful when your dog has bad days.
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MrJudge --> for bad days I use Dinakaran and Tamil Murasu
Serious guys, how can someone sell a newspaper for Rs.1
All the black of MK and looters becoming white. A year back these guys were giving out 1/2 KG atta for buying a Rs.5 magazine. A crook sure has 1000 innovative waye ..... God save my land .....
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NormalMan wrote: |
MrJudge --> for bad days I use Dinakaran and Tamil Murasu
Serious guys, how can someone sell a newspaper for Rs.1
All the black of MK and looters becoming white. A year back these guys were giving out 1/2 KG atta for buying a Rs.5 magazine. A crook sure has 1000 innovative waye ..... God save my land ..... |
You use two papers? That is the reason I gave you a tip just go for one, Dinamalar..... I always recommend that for people having serious problems
Seriously who cares if they change black to white or black to blue, if people can get it for Rs.1 that is a good news for consumers. that's what matters.
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Here is a news posted by Observer_Is_Back in a new thread "IR scoring Varma's Shiva-redux".
"""" http://d.indiafm.com/videos/ram/06/shivapromo150.ram
Watch out for the credits at the end. This re-teaming was hinted at at the commencement of the movie, but I was skeptical. Here's proof positive.
First reactions: The movie itself appears to be a tiresome reiteration of Varma-tropes, but it should be interesting to hear the veteran composer's work in this context, especially after the very high-calibre scores by the Chowtas and Mohiles for the Factory. Will the maestro sound dated, or will he out-maneuver the digital brigade? Though the sound in that promo is atrocious, it still offers hope for the latter possibility. """"
better quality file...but I guess only picture is better....sound is still not good.
http://d.indiafm.com/videos/rm/06/shivapromo220.rm
Thanks,
Krishnan
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krish24
this movie hs got nothing to do with shiva-redux starring nagarjun. this is rgv's 2nd attempt of hindi movie james. he feels that james wasnt directed properly, so he is redirecting the same movie again.
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I can see IR in the bgm score. Not sure if the movie will have any songs.
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njv, as far as I have read news from the internet this movie will be on similar lines of Shiva. In this case the difference being a police inspector taking on the goondas (in original "Shiva" it was a college student!). I have also read somewhere that idea of remaking "James" was not on cards although it was rumoured. Anyway, what I am glad is that IR is scoring for this RGV directed movie.
thanks
Krishnan
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Jus listening to Madhu after hearing VV and Jerry in one go. I must say that IR's soothing style still leaves a mark. The music is not cocky, not arrogant (though there are some who sayhe is!!). I liked "Indha Ulagil" and " "Nilavai chutri". There is a grace in both these songs which is so much Balu Mahendraish(curious as to how it is picturised? probably montage shots of a couple travelling, walking and having coffee in VGP??). the start to "Ketkavillaya" is so lilting. I must say IR must be singing this ... "Indha Ulagil naan irundhaalum enadhu ulagam veru" and I second that his "body of work" is still "out of the world!".
PS: those frilled flutes that switch on and off like the rhythm of wings of a mynah flying from one tree to another Who said that you can't create rhythm in flutes and need a percussion instrument? Also the soft drum beats(they dont land with a bang and my ears thank IR for that) in the songs are trademark and vintage IR.
spl mention on lyrics: "Saerndhu paadum mouna geethangal"! Sure shot montage song!
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jaiganes wrote: |
PS: those frilled flutes that switch on and off like the rhythm of wings of a mynah flying from one tree to another Who said that you can't create rhythm in flutes and need a percussion instrument? Also the soft drum beats(they dont land with a bang and my ears thank IR for that) in the songs are trademark and vintage IR. |
yeah!!! napolean is no mug with the flute
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NormalMan wrote: |
MrJudge --> for bad days I use Dinakaran and Tamil Murasu
Serious guys, how can someone sell a newspaper for Rs.1
All the black of MK and looters becoming white. A year back these guys were giving out 1/2 KG atta for buying a Rs.5 magazine. A crook sure has 1000 innovative waye ..... God save my land ..... |
Deccan Herald is doing it , Indian Express is doing it for 1.50rs.And Times of india did it in Bangalore ,It is normal business war in capturing maximum viewership.
Kalanidhi maran, was recently listed as no17th in the most powerful people of india by India Today magazine. His tv channel stands no 1 in all the four southern states.His business acumen should be appreciated.a great example of entrepreneurship.
Instead some morons keep trying to belittle his achievements, because of their antipathy to MK politics.
If Mk influence is the deciding factor all his media ventures would have as much viewership as "murasoli" or "Namdu Mgr" only
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abbydoss1969 wrote: |
Deccan Herald is doing it , Indian Express is doing it for 1.50rs.And Times of india did it in Bangalore ,It is normal business war in capturing maximum viewership.
Kalanidhi maran, was recently listed as no17th in the most powerful people of india by India Today magazine. His tv channel stands no 1 in all the four southern states.His business acumen should be appreciated.a great example of entrepreneurship.
Instead some morons keep trying to belittle his achievements, because of their antipathy to MK politics.
If Mk influence is the deciding factor all his media ventures would have as much viewership as "murasoli" or "Namdu Mgr" only |
Exactly my thoughts. I don't like MK (or JJ) and I don't associate Sun tv success with him but lot of MK-haters do the opposite. Even before they launched sun tv, they were doing a video magazine and trying something different apart from the crowd. That is the vision required for any enterprenuer to succeed.
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Dudes,
Admire the business strategy. But not how the whole thing came about ... an economics based on corrupt money. Per macro-economics, these will definitely help the end consumer and will be less of a drain in their pockets in the shorter-term(and will be admired by comatose morons!!). Long run, it will be a disaster. Examples are Enron and Govt of Indonesia in late 90's. Not to mention the unscrupulous business ethics of this entire corrupt family. Read this blog by an economist,
http://bseshadri.blogspot.com/2005/11/sun-tv-settlement.html
Ambani's, Mittal's are the embodiment of hard work and entrepreneurship. The guy above is not worth the league. Well this thread is not meant for such a discussion. Henceforth signing-off on this topic ....
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NormalMan wrote: |
Ambani's, Mittal's are the embodiment of hard work and entrepreneurship. The guy above is not worth the league. Well this thread is not meant for such a discussion. Henceforth signing-off on this topic .... |
Ambani's - hard work Its very easy to forget the unaccounted share's of Reliance scandal that happened in the nineties.. is It
Ellarum thiruttu pasanga thaan 'Kaluthai vittaila mun vitta ethu pin vitta ethu'
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yeah, every body knows Ambani's methods were hardly above board.there is no need to pick on Kalanidhi maran alone for whatever reasons.
Like MrJudge says I don't read kungumam or dinakaran or even watch sun tv but Kalanidhi is one of india's top ten businessmen as acknowleged by all business mags.
as for the valuation of suntv , anyway they will be listed soon on the stock exchange we will know the real value soon. As for Mk relinquishing his share in sun tv , it is private affair bet him and kalanidhi maran.and the share were given to MK free (I think),for political reasons he is giving it back.
The bottomline is don't bring your politics in appreciating maran:that guy is a business genius.
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In Pithamagan Laila style
Loosaappa neengallam?
MK, DM , ambani ivangalai pathi pesanumna vera threadle poai pesunga. Raasavoda threadle indha discussion venaame!!!! pleez.
lower your years pleez(adhaavadhu sevi saayungalaen endru sonnaen).
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I think after a long time IR is making a return to acoustic , grand style orchestration in"Twinkle, twinkle little star". Trailers are making special mention of this,atleast on malayalam channels.
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Hi all,
iam student of IIIT Hyderabad. One of the hard core fans of Maestro Illayaraja. Though iam a telugu guy I listen telugu,tamil,malayalam and hindhi song as i strongly believe that music has no language barriers. I would like to share my views in this forum from today onwards. I need all your cooperation
Thanks
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rajaforever,
welcome to the hub .
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RAJAforEver wrote: |
Hi all,
iam student of IIIT Hyderabad. One of the hard core fans of Maestro Illayaraja. Though iam a telugu guy I listen telugu,tamil,malayalam and hindhi song as i strongly believe that music has no language barriers. I would like to share my views in this forum from today onwards. I need all your cooperation
Thanks |
welcome Welcome Being a Hardcore fan of IR is the greatest thing we can do in our lives. Join the bandwagon we are into the greatest musical ride.
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Rajaforever! Welcome to hub.
Rajasaranam.
"Indha Ulagil" Piano pieces and the surrounding violins are heavenly. Light Light music, still heavy on orchestration is beautiful.
Nilavai chutri and Ketkavillaya are also trancy and class. They are not catchy on first hearing. However the mood evoked by these pieces is very subtle, soothing and harmonious. It seems time is suspended while listening to these songs. I guess that is what IR's speciality. It is not a slow tempo for melody kinda generalization. The mood evoked is direct reult of the melody that is not arrestingly catchy, still being to sweep me off my feet(thank GOD I was sitting and listening). Ideal song to put your crying baby to sleep.
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Jaiganes,
My intital reaction to 'Intha Ulagil' and ketakavillaya were thumbs down as you could see in my earlier post. But this song is sure a mesmerising one after repeated listenings. I never accepted - these songs growing on you factor - and believed always that it should be liked instantly else its no good. but of late some of the Raja songs are also falling into this category of 'Growing on you'
But Iam afraid that these songs fade off soon like it had grown Iam not listening to 'Poo poothathu' from MX anymore.the last few releases from raja which have gone into my permanently listenable database are 'Oliyilae therivathu' 'Vanavillae' 'Ilankaathu' 'unnai Vida' etc., I believe this is due to the movie becoming hit and we listen to the songs conciouslly/unconciously in radios, Tv's etc., and they carve out a space for themselves in our hearts. The only difference I find with other MD's and Raja is that even if the movie and songs are hit the other MD's songs fade out soon after the movies runtime in theatres
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Whatever it may be, I must say that songs 2,3&4 in "Madhu" are gems. they are great songs without much air around them. "Aarpaattam illaamal aanaal iyalbaana idhamaana isaiyai indha paadalgalil unaramudigiradhu". As you said, the first time, they were more or less like "elevator music", soft and just that. However the reaction on hearing these songs was not on the ears or the audittory section of my mind. Rather it was on the overall being. These songs have a kind of "soothing" feel that grow on me. It is not layer upon layer of tracks that creates this feeling(Some MDs make full use of track technology and keep recording so many instrumental tracks that one is able to discern one by one with repeated hearings that one gets a "Grows on me feeling"). This song and the ones that I have mentioned grow on you in a different way. It is not through technology, rather by an ethereal arrangement of accoustics and voice. In "Indha ulagil" song, there are synth arrangements, violins, flutes, soft drums and offcourse good voice of Shalini. All this arrangement ebb and flow in a rather slow progression which definitely "grows on YOU"
I am addicted to these songs and whoever wrote that caption "Isaignaniyin Isai Bodhayil" is cent percent right IMHO.
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JG,
Isaigyani yoda ella paattum bodhai thaan
Off the track you are a father now is it? PM me on the developements of your married life
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rajasaranam wrote: |
I never accepted - these songs growing on you factor - and believed always that it should be liked instantly else its no good. |
I still believe in this very strongly.
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14172934
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14172934
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"Kadal Meengal" should also find a place among Raja's rerecording sparklers. Though the movie is not worth even a glance, the bgm especially during the fight scenes with groovy beats, guitar, sax , crispy flute bits are awe evoking.
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Add "Thallatuthaey vaanam" song from that movie.A class song there.
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helppppppppp i want the old raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajjjjjjaaaaaa backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk..the raaja who made mayile mayile un thogai.,kaalangal mazhaikaalangal....im on a high now not because of alcohol or drugs but just because of raajas old songs..pleeeeeeeeeeez.i want the old raaaja back...
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Three songs from Madhu, the best in recent times by IR ( Nilavai sutri, Kaetka villaiya, Indha ulagil)
For me , these 3 songs have been sort of instant catchers right from the very first listen which has been a while since "konji pesalam" unnai thedi thedi song by IR
"Nilavai Sutri", far out classic, great , as I mentioned sometime back, despite his synth usage in almost every movie, they stand unique and this was one of the best , nice rendition by Thipu, amazing prelude and interludes ( God only knows what goes in IR's brain, when he writes the interlude BGM parts....), the sneaky bits of bass guitar whoo mesmerizing
kaetkavillaiya.. song, another instant catchy tune, nothing fresh but definitely much well sung by both IR and Manjari ( I am sure both Manjari and shalini are going to get their share of recognition by Ir in his next movies)
Inda ulagil naan, very reminiscent of vintage IR stuff,
As JG said, I am curious about the picturisation, don't know what genre this movie fits in, but I am eager looking forward to the BGM also
personally I felt these songs were way better than " kasturi Maan" songs, the other two don't deserve much, , however Dum irundha munnale, starts good but later becomes very mediocre, and sounds like My dear maarthanda ( sattam vaaradhu) song
Kiru, I am surprised u didn't like the songs at first listening, I am sure u will come back and write more about those 3 songs
prabhudas
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Sorry..Prabhudas..I heard it again..did not like it.
I do notice the technicalities you point out, yes, the songs all use classic orchestration techniques refined by IR over time, but he usually throws in a few notes in the background or in between which gives a novel twist/freshness to the song. Seems like it is missing in these songs. Seems more like a Artificial Intelligence software/program generated composition in IR style. (People are building software to finish the unfinished symphonies of classical masters like Beethoven et)
In the category of recent songs driven by synth bass and drums, one of them I like is - oor urangum nErathil from kanna unai thEdugiREn. Notice, the electic guitar notes and sax fills ..(all synth ).
Somebody mentioned thAlAttudhEy vaanam here.. yes.. just a few notes into the opening .. I get goose bumps with that one.. Wow.
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(Ganashaya brindaranyam.. is from Kochu Kochu santhoshangal. Very good/fresh work by IR. He himself was excited about this and it seems he asked one of our friends how they liked it, when he visisted them)
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kiru wrote: |
(Ganashaya brindaranyam.. is from Kochu Kochu santhoshangal. Very good/fresh work by IR. He himself was excited about this and it seems he asked one of our friends how they liked it, when he visisted them) |
What is Ganashaya brindaranyam / kochu kochu santhoshangal? New malayalam movie/song?
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Kiru,
My bad,
thanks for pointing out, the CD combination has AA and KKS songs, somehow got mixed up, I know u wrote raving comments on this song some time back.
A hell lot of my mp3 rips are lacking ID3 tags and proper organization ( I will need a mini vacation to do them I think)
that reminds another query to TFMDfers, this has been discussed in TFM technology related stuff thread a few times, anyone yet tied the bell to the poonaikutti (of starting a wikipedia based updating/editing of TFM songs, preferrably IR songs) that would help individually update the ID3 tags for all the mp3 songs?
Thops showed some interest few years ago,
any chances of revival thops?
NJV,
KKS is old Mallu film by S Anthikaad , released in 2002 I think, a must listen for every IR fan.....I wonder if any MD would even think of coming out with such great percussion usage
I don't know how the movie was, appadi enna Mallu films le IR gets so much inspiration, i don't know? but I can't think of one Tamil song by IR for more than a decade that is even little close to this song
prabhudas
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prabhudas wrote: |
Bose Quiet comfort head phones - $299.00
Ipod audio player ( $200 to $ 350)
Listening to " Ghanashyam Brindaranyam" kochu Kochu santhoshangal song - PRICE LESS
A free virtual tour to heaven by IR |
Gotcha. I checked out in few online sites and it sound pretty good. Need proper CD to enjoy the album. will buy this soon. thanks again.
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Missed this song in the album. Amazing percussion & fusion.
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Two malayalam movies with IRs' music releasing in next few weeks
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14175007
Mohanlals' and dileeps' movies have IRs' music
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"Ganashyama" is set to Kaapi scale. Other noteworthy "kaapi" based songs from IR -
1. Hey paadal onru - Priya,
2. "sugamo ayiram" - thunai iruppaaL meenakshi
3. "kannan vandhadhaale nanmai vandhadhu" - Thambi pondaatti.
4. Thumbi vaa - Olangal.
Though Kaapi is widely perceived to be ARR's fav scale, IR, VS have also exploited this raga to the hilt
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Rasathantram (Mohanlal) audio is released and the review is excellent. Didnt hear the songs so far. It seems it has some excellent melodies.
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Prabhudas,
I am not into Mp3, as I favor high-fidelity. Why dont you rip with ExactAudioCopy (www.exactaudiocopy.de) and use Apple Lossless compression and see whether you hear an improvement in the sound ?
Guys, I have been disappointed with Mal albums after KKS. Hopefully, something interesting will be there in these two new ones. if there is a real audio version to sample them that would be great.
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http://eenadu.net/ncineshow.asp?qry=cinefront1
IR seems to have signed a new telugu film.
It's a period film, with dance/music/devotional background.
Movie is yet to be titled. Recording will begin in May.
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kiru wrote: |
Sorry..Prabhudas..I heard it again..did not like it.
I do notice the technicalities you point out, yes, the songs all use classic orchestration techniques refined by IR over time, but he usually throws in a few notes in the background or in between which gives a novel twist/freshness to the song. Seems like it is missing in these songs. Seems more like a Artificial Intelligence software/program generated composition in IR style. (People are building software to finish the unfinished symphonies of classical masters like Beethoven et)
In the category of recent songs driven by synth bass and drums, one of them I like is - oor urangum nErathil from kanna unai thEdugiREn. Notice, the electic guitar notes and sax fills ..(all synth ).
Somebody mentioned thAlAttudhEy vaanam here.. yes.. just a few notes into the opening .. I get goose bumps with that one.. Wow. |
The three songs in Madhu are so lazy that you have to be in a lazy state of mind to enjoy them. I picked them up and played them before going to sleep and I was sleeping before i could even realize. Ketkavillaya is a strange number as it is mild with some breathtaking high pitch sections and I tried tp sing it and it took the winds off me, I was wondering how IR can sing that without showing any signs of strain either in rendition or swaram. I agree that off late the punch is not in IR's albums, however I would disagree if the same comment can be same about this one.
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IR scoring for Amitabh's new Hindi movie.
http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=14176110
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Balki must have been the one who made ads like "Idea" [Naguna Nayana song] and others with IR songs snippets. He is a self professed IR fan.
Sify wrote: |
The music is by Ilaya Raja, who has done many films down south.
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So, with Shiva and this AB movie, IR has got cool offers up North indeed
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"The music is by Ilaya Raja, who has done many films down south"
it is like saying "the equation is from Isaac Newton, who wrote several formulas in mathematics in the past", or, "the main recruit for the football league is Pele, who has scored several goals for Brazil"!
Andavaa ! idhallavo un sodhanai!
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alwarpet_andavan wrote: |
Balki must have been the one who made ads like "Idea" [Naguna Nayana song] and others with IR songs snippets. He is a self professed IR fan.
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Yes, in one of his interview (abt couple of months back in sify), he said if at all he makes a movie, he would have IR do the music or have get copyright for some of IR's music and re-engineer them with latest instruments/technology.
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tmrrmt wrote: |
"it is like saying "the equation is from Isaac Newton, who wrote several formulas in mathematics in the past", or, "the main recruit for the football league is Pele, who has scored several goals for Brazil"!
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I noticed that in RGV film too they mentioned his name as ILLAYA RAJA with a space between ILLAYA and RAJA. Since this is the first BigB movie after long gap and also the first one with IR, it might have some expectation from norties also. anyways I am looking forward to this one, just like any other IR work. For now, I am enjoying the Jaya TV coverage posted by gvicky on the other thread.
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This is wonderful news. Balki has very good taste in music. He knows IR's repertoire in and out. We can look forward to a very good album with this one.
Most of the time, the producers/directors choose the tune, given out by IR. Only a person who understands IR's style very well will know how the tune will come out finally with rhythm and bg/harmony scores. Also, they should be able to sort out the fresh from the mundane. I thank Normal Man just for the news
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jaiganes, kEtkavillaiya is the one I liked the most of the three. I felt the rhythm programming did not mesh very well with the tune. A good experiment probably - synth drum programming for a laid-back IR tune. I will listen to it on CD when I can get hold of it.
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thumburu wrote: |
"Ganashyama" is set to Kaapi scale. Other noteworthy "kaapi" based songs from IR -
1. Hey paadal onru - Priya,
2. "sugamo ayiram" - thunai iruppaaL meenakshi
3. "kannan vandhadhaale nanmai vandhadhu" - Thambi pondaatti.
4. Thumbi vaa - Olangal.
Though Kaapi is widely perceived to be ARR's fav scale, IR, VS have also exploited this raga to the hilt |
when I listen to it, it felt like some arr song and now I know the reason. i think i am beginning to understand what raaga means. i cant make it out but atleast if someone point me out, i can "feel" it. whats amazing about this song is the percussion usage (someone already pointed out). it just alternate from drums to tabla - wonder what could be the situation.
btw a friend of mine who met IR recently mentioned about TFM (he is also part of tfm ) and mentioned that people here discuss about his work, the technical details etc and IR mentioned that while it is glad that his fans are looking into the technical details/learning something he said that when he compose or write the notes he had no intention what so ever to introduce/try a particular experiment. He said that whatever flows to his mind he writes them. very occassionally on the demand of artists, specially when they refer some song and ask him, he interntionally force certain pieces into the album. He also mentioned that during his first symphony he tried to folow the rules strictly but he didnt even do that during his second symphony.
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A free virtual tour to heaven by IR
Awesome Prabhudas..Though inspired by Mastercard, what you said is absolutely true for me and I cannot say that for any other MD song that i have said. I have felt that feeling a lot of times when i listen to IR's gems.
Kiru, you are very right abt " Thaalaattuthe Vaanam ".. I get goose bumps all over even today when i listen to it within a few seconds..
I recently bought a Cassette instrumental by one Tabun .. He has scored the KB/FLute versions of some IR hits . And thaalattuthe vaanam was one of the tracks.. When i listened to it, i felt the urge to go the Thaalattuthe song immediately.. such an impact..
But to me nothing beats " Putham Puthu Kaalai.. Ponnira velai.." when it comes to goose bumps... This song ranks in the top 10 of my fav IR songs .
Also, I have the same problem reg ID3 tags on my iPod. I spent a few days entering the artist info for all the 1500 tracks i have on my ipod. Unfortunately when i moved computers, I lost the library file and could not restore it.. Now i need to do that again.. But it is worth it as I can retrieve a song based on the singer, Raaga etc within 10 seconds. Thanks to Apple.
Cheers
MSK
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A Beautiful katturai about one of IR's all time best songs
http://domesticatedonion.net/tamil/?p=27
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yes it must be the ad-man balki. He is a crazy IR fan(atic). He is also a big shot in the Indian advt industry. He was a invited to give a guest lecture in IIM-K and it seems he introduced himself as " Hi I am Balakrishnan better known as Balki. I am the biggest fan of IR in this universe.".and then started the lecture(on business/marketing ofcourse)...according to my sister who attened this lecture.
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Rasathanthram songs available in Music India online.
Two songs are nice and fresh.
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Rasathanthram --> All have a Dejavu feeling. Engeyo Ketta Padalgal.
Having said that loved Chitra's rendition of 'Poo Kunguma Poo'.
Worth buying for her singing alone.
Bala
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On IR's next Telugu film (news items is in English this time, for your perusal
http://www.andhracafe.com/index.php?m=show&id=5542
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Lot of movies coming up for Meastro fans.. Lemme sum up few things I know off and probably others can add to this movies pipeline:
1. Tamil
a. Naan Kadavul (Ajith Kumar.. big.. considering Ajith's mass appeal)
b. Aadum Koothu (Cheran)
c. Maaya Kannadi (Cheran once again)
d. Madhu (Ramesh.. album released)
e. Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (Kids movie.. album released)
Malayalam
a. MohanLal movie
b. Dileep movie (both superstars there)
Telugu
a. Vamsi movie ? (Not sure)
Hindi
a. Amitabh Tabu starrer ... Balky movie
b. Ram Gopal Varma movie.. is this the Shiva sequel?
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http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/bharathiraja2.html
This article says, Bharathi raja has already got Vikrams' commitment for his next movie "kutrap parambarai" and that IR would be the MD for this movie.
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http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=12320
Interesting interview...with a passing reference to IR...
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Hi
Kiru,
I was looking for MP3 datbase, because in addition to portable media player, I like streaming to my stereo also which many networked media players are doing, I don't know if anybody has good experience with lossless WMA formats
JG,
another reason probably I liked all those three songs, probably was because we were used to the unique melodies of IR and barring VS there is hardly any new MDs who give a genuine melody these days and we are overwhelmed by all those Hiphop songs and Kuthu songs in every other film ( although YSR/HJ are still coming out with some impressive numbers consistantly), amidst all these IR's recent ones kind of pulled me back to my yester years, I really hope the director does a good job in picturising these songs
MSK,
"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time, Teja mentioned sometime back that even a rehash of this in Telugu version will speak volumes , I recently watched the telugu vamshi film on DVD " Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" what a surprise , the movie has BGM clips of "Putham puthu Kaalai" song palyed in flute multiple times
Lastly , I just finished ripping the BGM pieces of " uthiri Pookkal" ( good quality) , awesome BGM ( see links below for down load) and what a great movie my God I had never seen this movie before, just fabulous , somehow had missed it ( I got few good quality VCDs of Mahendran movies and Old Bharathiraja movies from India) ...amazing script ( based on a short story published in a tamil Magazine) no melodrama absolutely and from start to finish , yadhartam na idhu ( the only good movie I liked with this kind of down to earth, matter of fact kind script in years "Kaadhal") well I can go on and on, watched Mullum Malarum back to back ( another great movie I can write so much about), and finally this is what was coming to mind about the Tamil film state of affairs in the recent years, TN makkal who welcomed and made these kind of great movies a great hit in 80's what is making them to su*k it upto the crass movies which are getting undue attention these years evey other movie of Vijay, Ajith and u name it , even if a new director comes out with some good script or a decent film, it gets totally ignored
( although Kamal, rajini also had number of Masala movies under the tag family entertrainer etc during those days , but my gripe is good movies which deserved attention got good attention then, but that is not the case now.. too much off unwanted media driven hype and marketing is another reason, but Makkal's taste has taken 180 degree turn )
About Uthiri Pookal BGM so solid , the mixed emotions created by IR's magic is spell binding, he rules the entire movie like a king
"Azhagiya kannae" theme played in so many different ways in different situation, the interludes of the very same song hitting at right spots with mesmerizing emotions. I had never heard the tilte song by IR , which has the interlude music of "Azhagiya kanne" in a slightly modified way , surprising bits of SP Shailu's " Azhagiya Kannae" and title song humming etc.. etc..
links for BGM
http://www.filefactory.com/?131ab3
http://rapidshare.de/files/17461483/u_pookkal_bgm.zip.html
Prabhudas
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prabhudas wrote: |
Hi
Kiru,
I was looking for MP3 datbase, because in addition to portable media player, I like streaming to my stereo also which many networked media players are doing, I don't know if anybody has good experience with lossless WMA formats
JG,
another reason probably I liked all those three songs, probably was because we were used to the unique melodies of IR and barring VS there is hardly any new MDs who give a genuine melody these days and we are overwhelmed by all those Hiphop songs and Kuthu songs in every other film ( although YSR/HJ are still coming out with some impressive numbers consistantly), amidst all these IR's recent ones kind of pulled me back to my yester years, I really hope the director does a good job in picturising these songs
MSK,
"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time, Teja mentioned sometime back that even a rehash of this in Telugu version will speak volumes , I recently watched the telugu vamshi film on DVD " Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" what a surprise , the movie has BGM clips of "Putham puthu Kaalai" song palyed in flute multiple times
Lastly , I just finished ripping the BGM pieces of " uthiri Pookkal" ( good quality) , awesome BGM ( I will upload them soon) and what a great movie my God I had never seen this movie before, just fabulous , somehow had missed it ( I got few good quality VCDs of Mahendran movies and Old Bharathiraja movies from India) ...amazing script ( based on a short story published in a tamil Magazine) no melodrama absolutely and from start to finish , yadhartam na idhu ( the only good movie I liked with this kind of down to earth, matter of fact kind script in years "Kaadhal") well I can go on and on, watched Mullum Malarum back to back ( another great movie I can write so much about), and finally this is what was coming to mind about the Tamil film state of affairs in the recent years, TN makkal who welcomed and made these kind of great movies a great hit in 80's what is making them to su*k it upto the crass movies which are getting undue attention these years evey other movie of Vijay, Ajith and u name it , even if a new director comes out with some good script or a decent film, it gets totally ignored
( although Kamal, rajini also had number of Masala movies under the tag family entertrainer etc during those days , but my gripe is good movies which deserved attention got good attention then, but that is not the case now.. too much off unwanted media driven hype and marketing is another reason, but Makkal's taste has taken 180 degree turn )
About Uthiri Pookal BGM so solid , the mixed emotions created by IR's magic is spell binding, he rules the entire movie like a king
"Azhagiya kannae" theme played in so many different ways in different situation, the interludes of the very same song hitting at right spots with mesmerizing emotions. I had never heard the tilte song by IR , which has the interlude music of "Azhagiya kanne" in a slightly modified way , surprising bits of SP Shailu's " Azhagiya Kannae" and title song humming etc.. etc..
Prabhudas |
Well said, Prabhu das. Your thoughts synergized with mine when you mentioned
"and finally this is what was coming to mind about the Tamil film state of affairs in the recent years, TN makkal who welcomed and made these kind of great movies a great hit in 80's what is making them to su*k it upto the crass movies which are getting undue attention these years evey other movie of Vijay, Ajith and u name it".
I really liked your comments on Uthiri Pookkal as well.
Couple of points related to this:
1. I recently read the top ten personal favorites of actor Vikram and this movie stands at # 2, I guess. I haven't sen this movie completely and I will try to grab a DVD of this.
2. There used to be a program in the earlier days of the DD Metro channel. It was like taking a hit film and the main crew (not the cast.. also the crew, it's time we give credit to the crew and not idolize the cast) talking about their experience in the movie. I remember Mahendran saying that the leading actress was actually from Bangalore and was termed as an unlucky actress in Kannada film industry. But, Mahendran on seeing her face got totally convinced that she could very well fit in the role he was looking for in Uthiri Pookkal..
Azhagiye Kanne song gives me goosebumps whenever I hear.. Donno why.
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prabhudas wrote: |
"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time, Teja mentioned sometime back that even a rehash of this in Telugu version will speak volumes , I recently watched the telugu vamshi film on DVD " Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" what a surprise , the movie has BGM clips of "Putham puthu Kaalai" song palyed in flute multiple times
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"Kanaka Mahalakshmi RDT" is unique in a few ways.
1. Putham puthu Kaalai, tune is used as the love theme between lead pair.
2. The duet "E naadu vidiponi" is based on Theme track from "Swathi Muthyam" (K Viswanath's film... Sippikul Muthu (?) in tamil)
3. Another duet "Vennalai Paadana" is based on Theme track from Vamsy's another film "Sitaara".
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I am yet to a site to download "Ghana Shyama" from Kochu Kochu..... can't even get hold of the album to purchase, somebody please please help!!
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new malayalam mohan lal starrer audio released... music by IR
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/20/s/movie_name.8377/
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Thanks Jibi for the news. First hearing- It sounds very vintage IR - Tablas, KJ and KSC all back under his baton. And the tunes also sound very IR'ish.For those not comfy with his usage of synth, here is an album for you - Basic IR!!
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/article/21639.html
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http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/review.php?id=14180040&ctid=5&cid=2428
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/review/8293.html
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12bums,
Great one live review. The songs are indeed vintage Raja. Tx for the lead.
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prabhudas wrote: |
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"Putham puthu kaalai" song is one of those songs which falls in the list which even if IR will ever give another similar one in his life time ..
Prabhudas |
I think so too Prabhudas. This is not to knock IR, but that is the way art works. Creativity is not analytical ability for one person to weild it consistently. Just like sport, there is an element of chance (or divine intervention as the artists themselves attribute it to !!!) .
That is why I am a little skeptical about working 'hard' to create good music. You can only create good sound. For music, you just have to be interested in it, that is all.
If it comes to hardwork I am sure there are lots of toiling away with kirthis/raagams and Bach/Beethoven sheet music. They all dont become composers. Composers are ones who can turn their knowledge into a work of art in an instant of creative flow. This does not mean one should not work hard to learn music, if they want to be a composer or not. It is just that the composition itself is not like normal 'work'. That is why it is called art.
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Rasathanthiram's music in 100 words.
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com/
The phrase 'vintage Raja' works only when given the appropriate perspective. In Tamil, it doesnt. I believe thats as much to do with the themes, trends and progress. In Malayalam, fits much better!
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As expected, `poo kumgumappoo' KSC version is a lot better than KJY's...(I feel it's time for Dasettan to bid adieu to film music and focus on classicals alone...)
A `pleasant to hear', `soft on ears' album...that way it's vintage IR...may not be trend-setting, but soothing nevertheless...
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"In Chennai during the re-recording of the film, Ilayaraja who is the music director and a very reserved person burst out laughing seeing the comedy antics of Mohanlal and Meera Jasmine. The Mohanlal-Sathyan combination is said to have re-worked the old magic once again! "
says sify site...
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14176582
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app_engine wrote: |
As expected, `poo kumgumappoo' KSC version is a lot better than KJY's...(I feel it's time for Dasettan to bid adieu to film music and focus on classicals alone...)
A `pleasant to hear', `soft on ears' album...that way it's vintage IR...may not be trend-setting, but soothing nevertheless... |
Very good album.. Maestro should use the same patterns of orchestration in tamil instead of his synths.
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in first hearing itself, "Rasathanthram" makes me satisfied. Excellent album. it is complete IR style.
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Not sure if this news is already posted:
http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=12184
IR to score for kannada remake of "Pithamagan"
thanks,
Krishnan
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Rasathantram is fantastic !!!
IR rocks in all 5 songs !!!!
Very pleasant melodies after such a long time. So soothing for the ears.
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Rasathanthram...It's interesting to note that IR has specific styles for each group of customers that he serves...this album sounds like Friends (mal) part II:-) (Atrin karai arrangement reminds sivamallippoovE...poo,kungumappoo is like thangakkinA etc.)
It used to be the same when he was at his peak too...while his Malayalam songs will be very different from his Tamil stuff, they will have something common within themselves, musically...either the tunes themselves or the arrangements...something will sound `similar', evoking a `pAlakkAdan' feeling...
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vem wrote:
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Rasathantram is fantastic !!!
IR rocks in all 5 songs !!!!
Very pleasant melodies after such a long time. So soothing for the ears. |
Vem who has not been satisfied with IR's recent output feels this way, then definitely Rasathanthram must be good. I have to buy the CD for sure.
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Usha, who started singing songs for films with Chitram, is now a household name not only in AP but also among all those people who listen to Telugu music. Within a short span, she has captured the hearts of music lovers throughout the globe. Here she shares her feelings and experiences of her tryst with Maestro Ilayaraja in her own words.
Singing in the music direction of Maestro Ilayaraja is a cherished dream for any aspiring singer. After all, how many singers get this opportunity? That I was on cloud nine when I was invited to Chennai to sing two songs in Sambhu under the music direction of Maestro Ilayaraja, is just a modest way of putting my feelings. Elated, excited, nervous, oh! I underwent a whole gamut of feelings until I actually met Ilayaraja garu in person.
Ilayaraja had listened to a couple of songs I sang under the music direction of Bhava Tharani, who happens to be his daughter. When he was looking for a budding female singer in Telugu to singe some songs for Sambhu, Kula Sekhar garu referred me to him. When I met him, Ilayaraja mentioned to me about the songs I sang for Bhava Tharani.
I had been to Chennai a couple of times and tried to meet him in person but in vain. Now it was a privilege to meet my favorite music director Ilayaraja as a singer. As a person he is simple, unassuming and very jovial.
The recording was supposed to be conducted at Prasad Labs, Chennai where Ilayaraja has a special room for his own use. (He actually has his own studio in Chennai that was under renovation then). The walls of his room were adorned with the photos of Lord Ganesh and Ialayaraja's gurus. As soon as I stepped into that room, a current of tranquility passed through my body. I was later told that not everybody is allowed to enter that room.
I was very nervous, not sure as to how this great person would talk to me or treat me It's very natural to be anxious, meeting a person who is renowned throughout the world. But Ilayaraja's down to earth composure and a cool attitude buried my anxiety even before it blossomed. Without me realizing, we were already into a conversation.
When I asked him how he had developed so much interest in music, he amazed me with answers that were subtle and simple, just like him. His favorite music instrument is harmonium. And the magic he does with his favorite music instrument leaves one charmed. He played a tune on harmonium and asked me what music it was. I said that it's a folk tune. He played yet another tune and asked me to identify it. I said that it's a western tune. Then he played the 'Nagumomu' tune in a traditional way. Only then I realized that the tunes he played earlier were also of Nagumomu, but in folk and western formats. The way he added new colors to the already known tune in such a quick and short time was amazing.
Ilayaraja is a legend in music. In his earlier days, he used to write notes while playing his harmonium. Later on, he used to compose tune while looking at the harmonium to make sure if he is using the correct notes. Now, he composes his notes without even looking at the harmonium. He is that adept with harmonium now. I believe he re-records the entire movie in one day (with a morning 7 to evening 7 call-sheet), which is almost an impossible task for any music director. That shows his expertise at it. For the film Sambhu, he has composed new music for the songs that were already picturized using the music composed by another music director. Ilayaraja's compositions gel so well with the songs that one can barely make out the difference now.
Talking about the new trend in Telugu film industry these days, that music for Telugu films should be given only by Telugu people, he commented that music does not have any linguistic barriers. Anybody who composes music should make sure that music is born, but not made. On other language singers, he said that as long as the singers pronounce the language properly anybody could sing in any language.
Initially I was supposed to do just one song 'Kalalo Choosindi'. After listening to that melodious song, he offered me to sing another song - 'Buttabomma'.
The kind of enthusiasm he has for his age [I guess he is above 60] is remarkable. When I was singing 'Buttabomma' song, Ilayaraja showed the enthusiasm he needed in my voice by jumping and singing the song the way I was supposed to sing it.
While we were working on these songs, a producer came over to the studio to show a song pictured on Ilayaraja's tune. Ilayaraja invited us to have a look at it. The picturization of the song paled in comparison to Ilayaraja's rich composition. The song was a classical song and sadly the picturization could not do proper justice to it.
As some memoirs, I took some photographs with him and his room. He was so sweet to allow me to photograph him. While we were being photographed, he cheered us up saying "Smile, smile!"
I used to listen to music since I was a kid. Back then I just used to listen to the songs without paying much attention to the music director's name. It was only with Abhinanadana that I became knowledgeable about the singers and music directors. After listening to the melodious score of Abhinandana I could totally relate to most of his older compositions.
Back then, it was just hero and heroine who became popular with the films. But today, because of the exposure a movie gets, thanks to the media, almost all the technicians are becoming popular and known to common man. Also, people have started noticing the people involved behind the screen.
People brand me as melodious singer. I would like to sing all types of songs but for that to happen, music directors also need to give me a chance. Given some opportunities, I am sure I can sing any type of sing. Ilayaraja is one music director who has given me a chance to experiment.
Ilayaraja also mentioned to me the usage and importance of natural sounds, like a bird's chirping, while composing music. He said that Mother Nature provides us with a variety of music that when used in songs they add to the effect of the song.
Ilayaraja's style of working is different from most of the music directors today. In just one go, he judges if the singer sang the song the way he wanted to or not. He not only gives suggestions for improvement but also encourages with a good and valuable feedback quite unlike the music directors today. Working with him is fast and fun.
Its really been a great pleasure working with him. I thank idlebrain.com for giving me an opportunity to share my experiences with my friends and fellow visitors of idlebrain.com
Original link : http://www.idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/usha-ilayaraja.html
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http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/musicreview/8293.html
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http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/malayalamContentView.do?articleType=movies&programId=1073752204&contentId=882899&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_SessionID=@@@@0330643199.1144868851@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdcaddhhliehkdcefecfikdghodgik.0
This manOramA article states that IR has worked with Sathyan Anthikkad for 5 movies!
-yAthrakkArude sradhdhaikku
-kochu kochu santhOshangaL
-manasinakkare
-achuvinda amma
-rasathanthram
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IR's new Telugu film is titled "Sri Vengamamba".
More info...
http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/news/apr2006/smitha_sriven.php
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Check this out. Most requested songs in MusincIndiaOnline.
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/ut/s/20/100/
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Is the audio of Dileep's Pachakuthira out? The movie is supposed to be out tomorrow (14th) and Raja's music is touted as one of the highlights! Strange that while Rasathanthiram is being talked about, this one isnt!
Karthik
www.milliblog.blogspot.com
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audio is out. I saw the review and they said 2 songs are situational, 2 songs are melody (1 excellent and 1 good) and 1 song is a kinda "remix" of a melody. didnt listen to the songs yet.
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http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/malayalamContentView.do?articleType=movies&programId=1073752204&contentId=882899&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_SessionID=@@@@0330643199.1144868851@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdcaddhhliehkdcefecfikdghodgik.0
This manOramA article states that IR has worked with Sathyan Anthikkad for 5 movies!
-yAthrakkArude sradhdhaikku
-kochu kochu santhOshangaL
-manasinakkare
-achuvinda amma
-rasathanthram |
The first movie in the list had music by Johnson.
Anyway, I sincerely hope that in the new Telugu film, Ilayaraja puts his best foot forward, as I'm sure the theme of that film would call for it.
Regards,
Nitya
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And here goes the mandatory 100 words on Raja's Pachakuthira!
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com
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BTW, couldnt manage to find the CD yet. The tracks are available in indiamuziczone (requires registration, also requires a reply to see hidden content).
Cooltoad direct links for the tracks.
Butterfly
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246242
Kalikonda chaamundi
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246243
Oru thottaavaadi
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246244
Varavelkummo
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=246245
Karthik
www.milliblog.blogspot.com
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Looks like IR has lost interest in MFM too. It would be safe to change this threads's title to "IR's old albums" and discuss KKS, Guru etc.
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Vijay,
Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..
Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements.
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Renault wrote:
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Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements. |
Give some space for his selective amnesia Renault! Now he (vijayr) is going to come back with a statistical correlation argument of what he "actually" meant and which will be always someone else's fault!!!
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great to see Raja Giving us 2 albums back to back But I love 'Rasathanthiram' more than 'Pachakuthira' because it has that vintage raja touch in all songs.
Rasathanthiram songs are also available in cooltoad and here are the links for it
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243480
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243482
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243479
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243481
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243484
aatinkarayorathe, Poo KungumaPoo and Ponnavanipaadam are all great to listen. the tunes and orchestration takes us to late 80's and early 90's when he was churning out gem after gem in those Ramarajan, karthick and Prabhu's gramathu flicks. It seems after a long time Iam hearing Tabla rhythms in 'Poo kungumapoo' and I just Love it. Hope he gets back to tabla itself instead of the synths
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vijayr wrote: |
Looks like IR has lost interest in MFM too. It would be safe to change this threads's title to "IR's old albums" and discuss KKS, Guru etc. |
And who was inviting you for a Discussion atall...Tell me Tell me I'll Kill him
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Renault wrote: |
Vijay,
Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..
Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements. |
Really? who are all "celebrating" it? Just the 2 or 3 of you here. No one else gives a damn or isnt even aware of such an album
inetk's review of Pachakuthira pretty much sums up my view on IR's albums in MFM after KKS. and inetk is a very lenient reviewer,especially as far as IR albums are concerned. He wrote in his review:
But a 90s synth tune and sound is what you actually get. The same annoying heard-before synth sound opens Thottaavaadi. The ginguchakkaan humming irritates even more. Raja uses his standard raga-based composition in Varavelkumo. Sarasangi? Mayamaalavagowlai? In any case, considering that the raaga has been used pretty often, it only adds to the overall deja-vu effect. That very effect also drags the soundtrack down!
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Renault wrote: |
Vijay,
Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..
Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements. |
Renault! see you were speaking about Rasathanthram and he is giving out the 100words of karthick on Pachakuthira
If he had cared to scroll down the page of Karthick's blog he would have read this
karthick aka 100words wrote: |
Rasathanthiram
Aathin Karayorathe is a pleasant melody that has Manjari's sorta put-on stylish singing adding charm. Despite a strong deja-vu effect Ponnaavani paadam impresses with the old-world interludes laden with flute. Poo kungumapoo - in both Yesudas and Chitras versions - is the pick of the soundtrack with vintage orchestration and lovely Raja-styled directions that the tune adopts. Thevaaram's unconventional opening is absolutely Raja'esque though it peters out in a predictable mode later. Rasathanthiram, tune-wise, is vintage Raja. In Malayalam, which is more familiar with the softer, tuneful and mellow side of Raja, this is a significant advantage! Thematically fits better!
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And it seems not you me and jaiganes [2 or 3 of us ] enjoying this album but the whole of kerala is enjoying it
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/ut/s/20/100/
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/ar/i/movie_name/8377/0/
Its topping the user request and its highly improbable that only 3 of us could have made achieve this feat
Kannai moodikitta Poonai kitta innum enna Paechu vaendi kedakku namakku. "Thalai" Live concertla sonna madhiri 'Namma Paattukku namma velaya Paarkalam' illaenna ungalai thaan Kolla Vaendi irukkum pola
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Karthick The Soundtrack 'Varavelkumo' for which you said the deja-vu effect drags it down is the one I like of all the songs! purely fors its unique Rhythm pattern using clapping of hands and guitar? in its second interlude. Can any One even imagine using the clapping of hands in such various manners and incorporating into the rhythm pattern Yes he himself has used clapping sounds earlier but here its very different try listening the song from 2:44 mins after...I wish the second interlude should have been longer.
'Kondachamundi' is synth added variation of 'unnaithaan nitham nitham' While 'oru thottavaadi' is again notable for its rhythamic interludes..What if he uses 'jiggichakkan' Which is very indianish I thank him for not using Ohlalala or jimbalikka.The style of pronunciation in the songs 'Butterfly' is very malayali style and i think karthick and bava have done commendable work over here too. The song has some cool jazzy effects... probably a hangover from MX period.
Overall a very impressive effort from Raja... given his age factor its commendable that he is still able to churn out nice rhythm based and fast paced songs not compromising with the newage composers who rely upon loops and commercial softwares for their rhythms
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Really? who are all "celebrating" it? Just the 2 or 3 of you here. No one else gives a damn or isnt even aware of such an album
inetk's review of Pachakuthira pretty much sums up my view on IR's albums in MFM after KKS. and inetk is a very lenient reviewer,especially as far as IR albums are concerned. He wrote in his review:
But a 90s synth tune and sound is what you actually get. The same annoying heard-before synth sound opens Thottaavaadi. The ginguchakkaan humming irritates even more. Raja uses his standard raga-based composition in Varavelkumo. Sarasangi? Mayamaalavagowlai? In any case, considering that the raaga has been used pretty often, it only adds to the overall deja-vu effect. That very effect also drags the soundtrack down! |
vijayr, were you referring only to the "Pachakuthira" soundtrack, or did your statements include the "Rasathanthiram" soundtrack as well? I haven't heard any songs from "Pachakuthira," so I couldn't back up or argue any of your comments.
I have however heard the songs of "Rasathanthiram." And if you care to know my thoughts on that album, here they are. I think that even though Raja can and should be commended on resisting the temptation to use all the newfangled software to compose the music and giving more importance to the melody, I can say with confidence that Raja's exuberance isn't very great. After hearing SO many aural treats by guys like Raveendran Mash, Devarajan Mash, MSV, MK Arjunan, Sarath, VijayaBhaskar, and the like, and even Ilayaraja's own earlier works (including in his late 90s Kannada albums up until "Namma Preetiya Ramu"), these songs pale in comparison. Not enough freshness, that's what I'm saying! In fact, it seems like ages since I last heard a classic song by Raja. By that, I mean a song whose melody just blows you out of the water. While "Ponnaavani..." and "Poo Kumkuma Poo..." may sound pleasant, I wouldn't call either a classic. I think that even M. Jayachandran (currently the busiest MD in MFM) could scratch out songs like that. However, Malayalees seem to like the songs.
It is my belief that it will be the people who don't know anything outside of Ilayaraja's music who will be the ones exalting IR's mediocre or average by Raja's standards songs as if they were the best.
Regards,
Nitya
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Nithya, agree with you every bit. I know that you listen to a lot of other MDs as well in MFM.
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Yep, I agree. I think Rasathanthram songs are not all that great, and not at all IR classic.
But the songs are pleasant and melodious. It's a welcome change for a person like me, who has started listening to new tfm(including that of ARR in this list) again and find it loud and copied from everywhere from America to China. There is not an ounce of originality in most composers, including Raja's so called successful offspring.
So for Malayalees or anyone else who enjoy melodious music, it is always a treat to listen to such a fare. And no, I don't think most of us will call them classicals. But in a world where a Godfather or Pattiyal is praised to glory, I think IR deserves some true credit for his originality. And by the way, when was the last time one heard music in tfm that was 'fresh'?
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vijayr, my dear friend!!!
Onnumae illaatha ARR threadla kooda sila peru ennum ennannammo discuss pannikkittu irakkarapo, inga IR ivvalo hits innum continuosaa kodutthukittu irakkapo naama yenpaa old hits patthi discuss pannanum???
ARR threadla varusham muzhuthum itho varuthu itho varuthunnu title mattum pottukkitu discuss pannikittae iruppaanunga sila perunga. Anga poi un contributiona konjam koduppa saamy. 3 maasham 6 maasham velai senju koduppaar avuru Godfather maathiri oru sappa album, atha world standardkku uyarthi pesi pesi kushi adaivaanga sila peru!
IR recent films have many gems which will survive time, like his Madhu has got some heavenly tunes and top rock songs which can challenge any existing composers anytime!
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Dear Vijayr, Nithya,
TAmil la oru pazhamozhi onru irukiradhu!!
"kaikara marathuku than kalladi vizhum"
Like that, IR is busy in his music.Neengal ellorum kettu irukireergal.Pazhikireergal.Thats all!!!!
Eppo IR isai seri ialli enru feel panreengalo, just ignore him!! Avaroda pudhu padalgalai ketkadheenga!!! Dont waste your time!!! Ha Ha Ha!!! NIchayam ungalukaga IR tune podavillai.Avar anrum inrum enrum - Cinemavin story ku dhan tune podarar!!! ADhai avarudaiya fans rasikirargal!!! Idhu dhan Unmai.Idhi neengal accept panni than aga vendum!!!
With Love,
Usha Sankar.
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Vijayr,
I had a view of all your recent postings and I find hat u have been constantly bashing IR, YSR throughout..
All I can see is Irumbukku Adikkira edathiley "E" kku enna velai..
Do u know what this thread is all about.. It is on admiring the new works of a Genious. If not a genious, at least respect some one who is a genoious.
If u claim yourself to be a geniuos, then this place is not for you.
I will have to knock the doors of the moderator if your rubbish statements continue here.
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Hi i am new to this forum and i have been watching certain comments on IR's music in MFM. It is not always that you get to listen to music like rasathantram what after the debacles of koothu and techno songs and although its not the best of best its certainly way ahead of any MD's composition i have heard so far this year and last year in MFM. Credit is where credit is due and i applaud IR for his usual peerless orchestration in this album. Pachakuthira is actually fresher then rasathanthram as the tunes are quite different and the song oru thotta vaadi has some interesting percussions with the shenoy and drums with some rhythms(cant make them out) in the second interlude which is quite pleasant to hear. So to say IR has lost inspiration in MFM is nothing but the word of a Basher trying to bring down a legend in any way he can.
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My feelings about Rasathanthram as below (in decreasing order of liking). Listening to the songs in a cyber cafe...so not so good sound:
1) Poo Kumkumapoo: A very nice & soothing melody I should say. I just loved it for all aspects of the song. This is my pick of the album too.
2) Aathin karai orathil: A good song with good singing by Manjari.
3) Ponnavani: The prelude, the orchestration & the pallavi take me to some IR's telugu song (if I am not wrong), but the song still impresses. As Karthick says the interludes & the flute impresses.
4) Thevaram: The prelude starts like "seevi sinukkeduthu...", but then the pace suddenly reduces when the pallavi starts. Nice pallavi...again agree with Karthick that the song takes the usual IR route after a good start.
I would say its overall a good (also must be apt for the movie) album.
Vijay, even I agree that its not great (but "Poo Kumkum.." is too good), but if we keep expecting a "great album" or a "great song" every time, we will miss out appreciating "good album" & "good songs". I would request to listen to any new songs without any expectations or preconceived notions. There are lot of us (including me) who are so critical about IR's new albums, but good (may not be great) output should be appreciated.
To others, please do not exagerrate on someone's comment. Also, lets not bring other threads or other composers (i mean lets not name them) into picture. By doing so, we are just making things more complicated & unhealthy.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Is this true? It says IR is becoming a director!!!! And the news has come in hindi section of IndiaGlitz!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/21821.html
We all know that he has given suggestions as far as picturisation of songs is concerned and in a couple of other places.....but this is just unbelievable!
thanks,
Krishnan
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Dear Vijayar,
iam new to this thread....but i have been observing all your comments on IR's music. Yes, i agree, u gave some valuble comments and some comments that really hurt to those people who are not even IR fans but aware abt his uncomparable briliance in music. I dont know what u would like to achiver by making such comments..if your sole purpose is to degrade his image from the people who loves his music then iam sure all your effort will be in vain(ignore this message if u r not doing that). Coz he has already produced upmteen number of Classics and done unbelevable experiments in music and still able to produce very good music. He has already created indeliblae image in the hearts of thousans of music lovers. So he has nothing to prove anthing more. He is the real master of great music. He is the RAJA(KING) for ever.
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vijayr wrote: |
Looks like IR has lost interest in MFM too. It would be safe to change this threads's title to "IR's old albums" and discuss KKS, Guru etc. |
Hello vijay and nithya,
i am not heared "pachakuthira".so i am unable to comment on that.
but regarding rasathanthiram, it is an excellent vintage IR album. (absolutely Late 80's style. i loved that period.).
i am satisfied with rasathanthiram more than expected.
in rasathanthiram, IR did better than my expectations.
very good songs.....
Thanks
Vasanth
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krish244 wrote: |
Is this true? It says IR is becoming a director!!!! And the news has come in hindi section of IndiaGlitz!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/21821.html
We all know that he has given suggestions as far as picturisation of songs is concerned and in a couple of other places.....but this is just unbelievable!
thanks,
Krishnan |
Dont know when This Vergheese is going to release TTLS before that comes this announcement I think he has a Louder mouth than Kamal NOM
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dont give a damn s*** to vijayr postings, he lost his ears recently....
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Renault wrote: |
Vijayr,
I had a view of all your recent postings and I find hat u have been constantly bashing IR, YSR throughout..
All I can see is Irumbukku Adikkira edathiley "E" kku enna velai..
Do u know what this thread is all about.. It is on admiring the new works of a Genious. If not a genious, at least respect some one who is a genoious.
If u claim yourself to be a geniuos, then this place is not for you.
I will have to knock the doors of the moderator if your rubbish statements continue here. |
Renault, this is funny. why are my comments "rubbish" as you have seen there are others who have agreed with my views. If you think this thread is only for praising and not for anything else, you are dead wrong. This thread is just for discussing IR's new songs period and everyone has a right to voice their opinions, good or bad, on them. If you are bothered by my comments, you are welcome to put me ignore, or if you want to join a group that should only praise IR, head over to "IR yahoo fans club" or something like that where they dont allow any criticism. This thread is not a fan club run by its members.
If you go to the moderators, they will probably ban YOU for personally attacking anyone who does'nt agree with your views.
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Renault,
Sonna Enga KetKareenga... just ignore him and the lIkes...veena yaen kanda Poonai kitta ellam Paesreenga Illaenna ungala Poattu thalrathu than en muthal velaya irukkum
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krish244:
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Vijay, even I agree that its not great (but "Poo Kumkum.." is too good), but if we keep expecting a "great album" or a "great song" every time, we will miss out appreciating "good album" & "good songs". I would request to listen to any new songs without any expectations or preconceived notions. There are lot of us (including me) who are so critical about IR's new albums, but good (may not be great) output should be appreciated. |
Krish, there are PLENTY of "good" albums with "good" songs in circulation, MDed by both geniuses and average Joes alike.
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Nitya, have you listened to "thendral ennum" from Paasakiligal MD'ed by Visyasagar and sung by MadhuB? Try it on MIOL. Thats an example of something much better than a "good" song. VS has tuned a semiclassical in a rarely used scale-NaasikabhushaNi.
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Alright Vijayr. Point well-taken.
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Dear IR haters,
try the followings if you can
1) Close your ears while listening IR songs/music anywhere
2) Close your ears while listeing others' ongs/music copied/inspired from IR.
3) Close your eyes while reading/seeing IR news/article on medias
4) Hurt your mouth while speaking about IR accidently
5) Broke your head while thinking about IR and his music
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There was a recent interview from Singer Hariharan telecast in KTV for Tamil New year.
When asked about IR, he said "IR is a genius and i am too small to talk about his music.I am happy to have got opportunities to workwith him".
Rasathanthram is a really a very good effort from IR.
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the respect HH , Vijay Yesudas etc have on IR was very obvious in the recent IR Light music programme....
All singers like/adore him so much that whenever he turns their side, they bow their heads as a symbol of respect/love.
He has also changed a lot, not the same stickler type IR any more. When Manjari or Shreaya (I dont remember) made a mistake for "Kaatril endan geetam kaanamal onrai thoooooduthe", IR didnt make a big fuss, and let it go with a good joke.
One important thing to notice was Sadhana Sargam's comments in that concert. She said that she learnt actual music while singing for IR )))
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http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14185037
Rasathanthram declared Superhit. IR music is also considered a highlight of the movie
Does this mean more IR in MFM?
Bala
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Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire?
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Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire? |
Honestly he should retire, but the current MDs are not able to fill his spot. For ppl like you, you can listen to thair sadam and vadu maangai and for people like us IR is more than enough.
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vijayr:
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Nitya, have you listened to "thendral ennum" from Paasakiligal MD'ed by Visyasagar and sung by MadhuB? Try it on MIOL. Thats an example of something much better than a "good" song. VS has tuned a semiclassical in a rarely used scale-NaasikabhushaNi. |
Yes. In fact, I have. I'd say the same.
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Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire? |
Is there an age limit for composing too? Did'nt MSV do a joint venture with IR in a couple of movies in early 90s. Senthamizh Paatu is one of them. He even did Engirundho Vandhan with TKR in the mid 90s. Music talent does'nt diminish with age PERIOD
Having said that, its been a while looong time since I've heard a new IR song mutiple times since 'Andha Naal Nyabagam' from 'Adhu oru Kana Kaalam' and Virumandi, Pithamagan before that in Tamizh.
Indha Ulagil in Madhu tune sounds good, something's missing in the female lead's voice though.
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It is my belief that it will be the people who don't know anything outside of Ilayaraja's music who will be the ones exalting IR's mediocre or average by Raja's standards songs as if they were the best.
Regards,
Nitya |
Oh no..this is going a bit too far.
I heard rasathantram..yes..I also think it is not fresh..all the songs give you a deja vu feeling. I can't put my fingers on it..except for the aatinkaraiyorathe which has traces of anjali song.
Comparing Malayalam MDs with IR , I am not sure, is an apples-to-apples comparison. For eg. if you listen to poo kungamapoo, there is a bass line following the tabla. You will never see such a dimension in Malayalam music (but my listening is limited, you can correct me if I am wrong). This dimension/harmony (or rhythm highlighting) aspect of IR's music is what ties me to his style. Other indian music sound 'hollow' compared to this. Probably this is not a big deal to you. But this is my opinion, I know for eg. older folks in my home, prefer punyam to kks in the same malayalam cd.
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Now that it is announced our belvoed maestro is going to be a director, i have a feeling the songs are going to be his best yet.
Why u ask?
1) He is going to direct his own film, meaning he is going to choose the scenes where the songs will set in.
2) To inspire illayaraja to score songs of eloquence like poove sempoove, you need a good script and maybe illayaraja already has such a script.
3) Background Music is bound to be world class as it is his own script.
4) Maybe Illayaraja has some experimentations in store for us through his songs in this film.
Conclusion: This is goings to be a bumper treat for Music lovers all over the world.
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Dear fans,
why you expect freshness for each n every IR albums. Normally what will be the output of a man with tremendous and very successfull experience?. But even after 800+ films and 30+ years TFI experience (excluding his early years) he is doing experimentation and also giving some fresh music. Note he was 32 age at his first film Annakkili.
He has huge number of fans in TN than any other MD. Atleast one broadcasting media broadcast his music every bit time of a 24x7 week (without help of his own telecasting tv or official media or something else). I think it may be a world record.
Watch Sunday music/singer programmes like Subtha swarangal, Ragamalika, etc. You will know how younger generation feels IR and his music. It will prove youngers including teens considers, he is just as Music God .
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Manjari talks here about Rasathanthram songs. Incidentally, she has turned 20 today.
http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=28515&pn=local
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Sanjeevi,
I dont quite expect something fresh from every album. Just once a while would be great. I listen a lot to his 70s-90s music. Am not a music techie, just listen if a song interests me a lot or by recommendations. But if a song does'nt impress you in a good number of listening and if a person is going put superlatives to that song, how would you react ? This isnt specific to IR at all, it is common to any composer in general.
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Nitya wrote: |
Krish, there are PLENTY of "good" albums with "good" songs in circulation, MDed by both geniuses and average Joes alike. |
I dont exactly get what you mean. Do you mean, to give "good" albums & songs, there are other MD's aswell and what we expect from IR is something special/fresh? If you mean that, I sort of agree with you. Keeping so many factors in mind, I have somehow stopped expecting (not completely though ) an altogether fresh album/songs from IR, but it does not stop me from appreciating decent output from him.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Well said Sanjeevi
all the points u have mentioned perfectly applicable to Andhra Pradesh also...if any body sings IR song in the competetions we can witness the amount of populariy(and even respect) he has from the crowd's applause. After the song(if the song is good one) judge explains abt how great that song is. With my own experience i can say for IR's songs it happend much more than any other MD.
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it seems IR has composed 1 song for azhaga irrukke bayamma irrukku according to imdb
http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0006137/
does any one know which song?
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IR has composed 1 song for azhaga irrukke bayamma irrukku |
According to this article
Yuvan and Ilayaraja have also pieced together a song depicting the father-son relationship.
Orampo Naina ?
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Has anybody managed to see Madhu or has it been released? Illayaraja once stated during the audio release that he will help these new directors become famous with his music just like how he did for Bharatiraja and maniratnam.
Btw, does BR's cinema(Hindi) and mayil have IR as the music composer? this was discussed long time ago and there has been no confirmation. It would be good if someone confirmed whose the Music composer for both movies.
Sanjeevi your earlier post is true, freshness cannot be expected everytime but i do not expect freshness, all i want is Raja not to rehash his tunes as it shows his disinterest in film music and anyway he has already achieved so much even before rahman came so you can see why he looks dejected to keep on doing film music.
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Hulkster,
I read somewhere that Raja could score for Bharatiraja's dream venture Kutra Pathirigai with Vikram in the lead.
This could also be Bharatiraja's last movie..
Raja is not scoring for BR's Hindi movie. It has Himesh Reshamaiyya I Guess.
Not sure about Mayil though. It could have been shelved.
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Once bharatiraja leaves, we have lost a filmmaker who specialised in rural film subjects and with a strong storyline. I hope if it is his last venture it atleast leaves a impact on other filmmakers to think better in their stories. IR - BR -Vikram...seems like a fantasy team...if that happens i will be on the edge of my seat.
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Bharatiraja's dream venture Kutra Pathirigai with Vikram in the lead. |
Was'nt there a movie by the same name by R.K.Selvamani (made around the time Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated) but never got released. I even remember seeing the cassette (was that good old Echo with pink case).
Morover a google reveals, the project is being revived now after 15 years
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narayanan wrote: |
Quote: | Bharatiraja's dream venture Kutra Pathirigai with Vikram in the lead. |
Was'nt there a movie by the same name by R.K.Selvamani (made around the time Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated) but never got released. I even remember seeing the cassette (was that good old Echo with pink case).
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that R.K.Selvamani film name is kutra pathirikkai.
Bharathiraja film name is kutra parambarai.
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it could be the tune of "elaiyuthir kalam" song. but BGM of that song still has yuvan's flavour. Because the interlude guidar bit is reminds pudhupettai song interlude music.
(But i personally feel that there will not be maestro's contribution in this film and yuvan's work after 2001.)
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Yes yes
Elaiyuthir kaalam song, 75% ir song vanthu ketkura mathiri irukkuthu
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vasanth2006 wrote: |
it could be the tune of "elaiyuthir kalam" song. but BGM of that song still has yuvan's flavour. Because the interlude guidar bit is reminds pudhupettai song interlude music.
(But i personally feel that there will not be maestro's contribution in this film and yuvan's work after 2001.) |
just curious vasanth, if there was a large IR contribution before 2001 for u1 also???? KR had a lot of old-IR songs in his grahan.....
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just curious vasanth, if there was a large IR contribution before 2001 for u1 also???? KR had a lot of old-IR songs in his grahan..... |
Digression from IR's New albums:
Maddy i have some thoughts regarding this matter.
there is an interesting fact is there. actually IR is expected that KR would come well and rock the TFM. So IR patiently give the inputs to KR. (actually everybody expected KR in the intial stages. still KR have the time.)
But in Yuvan case is different.actually IR did'nt expect this much from Yuvan. so IR least bother about Yuvan. IR gave the complete freedom to yuvan to make the music whatever yuvan wants. yuvan told in one interview regarding this.
But during the initial stage of yuvan( that is upto 2000), yuvan learned the basics of music from IR. for example how to give the music during comedy scene and which instruments should use?.thats all.i think that is implied.(KR and Bhavatharini also learned the basics of music from IR. that are all implied.)
but Yuvan has own talent. so he is rocking.....
These are all my thoughts and opinions.
End digression.
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Thavamai Thavamirunthu heroine Padmapriya speaks about IR
http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/mainpage.php
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njv wrote: |
Thunderbird wrote: | Renault, what's IR doing nowdays? Is it not the time for him to retire? |
Honestly he should retire, but the current MDs are not able to fill his spot. For ppl like you, you can listen to thair sadam and vadu maangai and for people like us IR is more than enough. |
njv, your avatar is rocking... and this statement of yours is even more rocking and fitting so as to thunder out the thunderbird.
Thunderbird, Lemme try a perarusu way of response for your question..
"Music has no retirement"
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Guys!
I have been looping "Madhu" in my system for quite some time. True to the name, I am addicted to the songs of Madhu. I wouldn't call it the best album by IR. Yet it is so simple and relaxing, that once the last song is over, I hit the repeat button, quite involuntarily.
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Jaiganes:
I agree. I love the songs from Madhu. The pick of the album is Ketkavillaya. To me, it just mesmerizing. Also, I love "Immathoonsu Manasu". The use of trumpets in the song is great.
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http://www.dailyindia.com/show/18601.php/Ilaiyaraja_rules_Malayalam_music_albums
...something to smile about...
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News on this saturday programme in chennaionline
http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID={DD0336F1-7F25-4DBD-B14C-546E093D1061}&CATEGORYNAME=CHN
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You can listen to two songs from Amirtham (Debut movie for Bhavadharini as MD in tamil) from this URL
http://chinaudioblog.blogspot.com/
Other two songs are solos ("Srirangan sannithi" - IR, "Mugilinamae KaeLadi" - Sujatha)
NagaS
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Welcome back NagaS
Thanks for the link. Seems like an ok effort from Bhava, not great, but not bad as well.
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Hi Buggle
Can you mention what female actor Padmapriya mentions about IR.. i am not able to see the details by the link mentioned by u.. or send me the exact link
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sathish, periya bramAdham oNNUmilla...
However, indhAnga link pidiyunga...
http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/120406/pg15.php
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Sorry, it was from previous issue of Kumudam magazine,
It was under the section - Male personalities she likes most..
In that she listed 10 different people such as Aamir khan, President Abdul Kalam, Cheran (of-course he has to be there), etc....
She said that she never met IR but she just gave a image to his music and she is crazy about it. When she used to stay in hostel for her studies IR music helped her all the time whenever she is in joy, sorrow mood and she like all the songs of IR not just few of them
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sudhakarg,
Agree with you - The other two songs, which are missing in this site are much better - Esp., the mugilinamae song is very good ! (Im not sure, but it does sound like reethigowlai)
NagaS
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If any of hear Devi Sri Prasad you can see the influence of illayaraja in his songs. His nenjum ennum song is actually a earthy number going about the style of Illayaraja's Orchestration.
The fella himself is a hardcore fan of Illayaraja who states Illayaraja as his god.
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I have heard his telugu albums. I haven't heard Aaru. Never found too much IR influence. Especially in his big hits like Varsham, Nuvvu.Nenno., Aarya, Anantham, Sontham etc. I think he has a blend of good sounds.
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app_engine wrote: |
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/18601.php/Ilaiyaraja_rules_Malayalam_music_albums
...something to smile about... |
AE thanks for the link and Iam smiling for some ignorant hubbers
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RS!
Did you see my post in Ir's BGMs thread?
That music , I am hearing everywhere, incluing a few hindi movies and telugu movies.
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illayaraja had promised us exceptional BGM for Twinkle Twinkle Little Star with the french horn playing in most of the BGMs...he also said he will be releasing the BGM as a separate CD...anyone knows when TTLS will come out(movie release i mean?).
btw the reviews of pachakuthira dunt look good...because of the movies bad rpesentation they seemingly have put down all of the films other technical aspects and the music too...reality or plain disappointment i dunnot know
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Hulkster, dont know when the movie is coming out. Check out the following trailer (Malayalam) at IndiaGlitz!
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/trailer/8173.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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Mikka nandri Krishnan...i already have checked the trailor out umpteenth times and im amazed by the scenes and orchestration of Illayaraja in that trailer.
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Fellow fans, what says you abt "poo kunguma poo" from rasatantram..very nice.
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Poo Kungamma Poo is like a tamil styled orchestration song interlaced with folk melody...yes it is quite nice made nicer by the way the singers sing it..especially Chitra.
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While I believe that "Rasathanthiram" passes muster, the songs "Pachakuthira" are quite frankly too drab for my liking. In "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star," I only like the title song, and to an extent, "Engengo Pokkindra" (Ethetho Janmathil in Mallu).
Regards,
Nitya
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Nitya...it clearly shows on IR that he has decided in focusing on the BGM of films instead of songs...he has already achieved in every department and style of makings songs from the 80s and to now....it is clearly seen he is more towards symphony and works like that.
Maybe if the script is a totally new concept like mayakanaadi or if it is a kamal film IR will once again create some extraordinary songs....until then im afraid it is primary focus on BGM.
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IR is great in BGM, but what truly matters is the songs. If he doesn't live upto expectations on that, then what is the point of focusing on BGM? First challenge is always the songs. I have heard of films running for songs, but never heard of films running for BGM:-)
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aruvi wrote: |
IR is great in BGM, but what truly matters is the songs. If he doesn't live upto expectations on that, then what is the point of focusing on BGM? First challenge is always the songs. I have heard of films running for songs, but never heard of films running for BGM:-) |
not really. I know many films didnt do well or did average instead of big hit due to avg or poor bgm. Sarkar in Hindi is an example where the BGM was completely screwed up.
Infact in the current market no MD is doing anything great. YSR is doing something to attract ung minds and thats it. Rest of the MD musics are neighter good (including IR) nor liked by other than the fan base. You have one or two surprizes here and there (e.g. Dishyum)
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IR is great in BGM, but what truly matters is the songs. If he doesn't live upto expectations on that, then what is the point of focusing on BGM? First challenge is always the songs. I have heard of films running for songs, but never heard of films running for BGM:-) |
Exactly! The soundtracks feature songs, not background music. Plus, I know that Raja is plenty capable of writing extraordinary songs.
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I came across your exchange of views on our great Ilaiyaraja. I am a die hard fan of him and used to be in constant contact with him 25 years back. Those days ALL India Radio and Doordarshan were usin song censorships and many of his classical songs were not broadcast/telecast due to this policy. e.g Sorgam Madhuvile, Oram Po, Vaadi En Kappakilange, Nettu Rathri Yamm etc were never broadcast in AIR those days. We had to tune into Radio Ceylon to get these songs.
Similarly, I find that even prior to Ponnuku Thanga manasau, in the film Sabatham by GK Venkatesh, a beatiful melody was sung by SPB - Thoduvathenna Thendralo Malargalo which had many intricate touches of Ilaiyaraja style. I was fascinated by this song even then when I was bearly 12 years old. Then in Yaarukum Vetkamillai also the song Melum Keezhum Kodugal Podu had touches of our great genius. Even though GKV was the MD in all the films referred above, I feel that he might have allowed IR some freedom in these songs. Any interesting views on this?
In Uravadum Nenjam, the same song Oru Naal Unnodu Oru Naal was used in 2 different situations. Usually there would be 2 versions. In Kaatrinile varum geetham, the title song had 2 versions with different BGMs for the same tune. I have also heard another version of the song Devan Thiruchabai Malargale sung by Yesudas in Vividh Bharati's Then Kinnam when the program was presented by IR himself. I have also heard IR sing this song on stage with aplomb even though it was sung by 2 female singers. I also remember having seen the Yesudas version on Oliyum Oliyum only once. Some how the second version never became popular.
He has scored outstanding music for the song Putham Pudu Kalai in Alaigal Oyvathillai; Rasave Unnai Nambi in Muthal Mariyadai; Nadiyil Aadum Poovanam in Kathal Oviyam and none of these songs appeared in full in all these films. He made SPB sing like Vennira Aadai Murthi in the song Engengum Kandenamma in Ullasa Paravaigal which was mercilessly blocked by both AIR and DD those days. The other male singer Malaysia Vasu sang like Surulirajan in this song.
I also have 2 rare songs Rasikane En Arugil Va and Aananda Then Katru (chidambaram Jayaraman style) in cassette for the never released film Manipur Mamiyar. Another song Samaiyal Paadame from the same film was reused in the film Unnal Mudiyum Thambi by KB with slight variations.
IR had another feather in his cap when he made Kamalhasan sing for Mohan in a film. I don't remember the name.
V.Padmanabhan, Pondicherry |
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Nitya wrote: |
Exactly! The soundtracks feature songs, not background music. Plus, I know that Raja is plenty capable of writing extraordinary songs. |
Of late, I've been extremely fascinated with the way IRs songs have mixed with the movies. The songs / BGM seem one complete package. Fine examples are virumandi, mumbai xpress, oru naaL oru kanavu, adhu oru kanaa kaalam or even Chidambarathil oru appasamy. For all the above mentioned movies, I heard the songs before I saw the film and was hugely disappointed. But, when I saw the movie itself, the song was part of the "theme" of the movie. To me, IR seems much more "complete" these days. Yes, I agree the soundtracks are not satisfying enough, but the DVD/Movie as a package is what we may have to pursue..
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Hulkster wrote: |
Poo Kungamma Poo is like a tamil styled orchestration song interlaced with folk melody...yes it is quite nice made nicer by the way the singers sing it..especially Chitra. |
Poo kungumma poo is sung by yesudoss , isn't it?
Actually appreciating IR's music , outside the context of the movie is bit dicey. This song (P00) is not a love song , it is bet Mohanlal and his father in the film played by Bharat Gopi.
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abbydoss1969 wrote: |
Hulkster wrote: | Poo Kungamma Poo is like a tamil styled orchestration song interlaced with folk melody...yes it is quite nice made nicer by the way the singers sing it..especially Chitra. |
Poo kungumma poo is sung by yesudoss , isn't it?
Actually appreciating IR's music , outside the context of the movie is bit dicey. This song (P00) is not a love song , it is bet Mohanlal and his father in the film played by Bharat Gopi. |
Yesudass and Chitra also sing the song...Female version is chitra and male version yesudoss.
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RR wrote: |
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Quote: | I came across your exchange of views on our great Ilaiyaraja. I am a die hard fan of him and used to be in constant contact with him 25 years back. Those days ALL India Radio and Doordarshan were usin song censorships and many of his classical songs were not broadcast/telecast due to this policy. e.g Sorgam Madhuvile, Oram Po, Vaadi En Kappakilange, Nettu Rathri Yamm etc were never broadcast in AIR those days. We had to tune into Radio Ceylon to get these songs.
Similarly, I find that even prior to Ponnuku Thanga manasau, in the film Sabatham by GK Venkatesh, a beatiful melody was sung by SPB - Thoduvathenna Thendralo Malargalo which had many intricate touches of Ilaiyaraja style. I was fascinated by this song even then when I was bearly 12 years old. Then in Yaarukum Vetkamillai also the song Melum Keezhum Kodugal Podu had touches of our great genius. Even though GKV was the MD in all the films referred above, I feel that he might have allowed IR some freedom in these songs. Any interesting views on this?
In Uravadum Nenjam, the same song Oru Naal Unnodu Oru Naal was used in 2 different situations. Usually there would be 2 versions. In Kaatrinile varum geetham, the title song had 2 versions with different BGMs for the same tune. I have also heard another version of the song Devan Thiruchabai Malargale sung by Yesudas in Vividh Bharati's Then Kinnam when the program was presented by IR himself. I have also heard IR sing this song on stage with aplomb even though it was sung by 2 female singers. I also remember having seen the Yesudas version on Oliyum Oliyum only once. Some how the second version never became popular.
He has scored outstanding music for the song Putham Pudu Kalai in Alaigal Oyvathillai; Rasave Unnai Nambi in Muthal Mariyadai; Nadiyil Aadum Poovanam in Kathal Oviyam and none of these songs appeared in full in all these films. He made SPB sing like Vennira Aadai Murthi in the song Engengum Kandenamma in Ullasa Paravaigal which was mercilessly blocked by both AIR and DD those days. The other male singer Malaysia Vasu sang like Surulirajan in this song.
I also have 2 rare songs Rasikane En Arugil Va and Aananda Then Katru (chidambaram Jayaraman style) in cassette for the never released film Manipur Mamiyar. Another song Samaiyal Paadame from the same film was reused in the film Unnal Mudiyum Thambi by KB with slight variations.
IR had another feather in his cap when he made Kamalhasan sing for Mohan in a film. I don't remember the name.
V.Padmanabhan, Pondicherry |
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Kamal singing for mohan was for the Tamil version of "julie'', the hindi movie.Mohanand urvasi acted in that tamil version.
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I think the song is "Pon Manai Theaduthe" from "Oh Mane Mane".
Regards,
Srihari S.
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Rasathanthiram is a super hit.
The Vishu report card
By Moviebuzz | Monday, 24 April , 2006, 17:22
Mohanlal has walked away with the Vishu-Easter box-office with his super hit Sathyan Anthikkad film Rasathantram. It is the clear winner as the family audiences have embraced the film.
At second place is Mammoottys crass comedy Thuruppu Gulan which took a fantastic opening but took a dip in collections in its second week. But still the film is a hit and way down at number three is Suresh Gopis Chintamani Kolacase which is an average grosser.
Dileeps Pachakuthira is at fourth place while Jayarams Madhuchandralekha is at is at fifth place and both are losing propositions.
On the whole the superstars continue to rule the Kerala box-office.
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14190673
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Listened to Pachakuthira (mal). One song seems like a recycle and other songs were not appealing to me.
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Behindwoods catches up a bit late on the news that IR is scoring for Big B's movie.
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/apr-06-04/25-04-06-ilayaraja.html
It also says that IR has completed BGM for the new SHIVA.'
thanks,
Krishnan
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Krishnan sir are there any songs for Shiva movie?...its been long since i heard a hindi song from Illayaraja(tired of all the lifted hindi songs nowadayas)...Mahadev was his last hindi movie?(heyram not really counted due to it being a bilingual)
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Hulkster,
It seems the movie Divorce had some good songs but the movie and album both never got released
BTW 'Kaun dagar' of Lajja was the last direct hindi song of Raaja
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Yes i saw the movie's name in IMDB and i was shocked to find that it was not reported in other websites...Kaun Dagar was a beautiful song...athu pathi analysis pennunum naa paathi page poyidum..will explain SOTD tomorrow...Hindi movie goers rarely focus on the BGM of movies and i wonder if they are gonna really recognise it knowing that it is IR whom they all have been ignoring for years...Hope the balki directed flick has some songs as im looking forward to that one.
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Hulkster, no idea if SHIVA will feature any songs. I really doubt if it will (at the max...one background melody song probably!). Priority should be BGM!
thanks,
Krishnan
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Hulkster wrote: |
Krishnan sir are there any songs for Shiva movie?...its been long since i heard a hindi song from Illayaraja(tired of all the lifted hindi songs nowadayas)...Mahadev was his last hindi movie?(heyram not really counted due to it being a bilingual) |
..and so does Indiaglitz
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22041.html
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Official confirmation of the movie's details then...finally we can change our sights towards hindi due to IR having two movies there...im afraid of Shiva's screenplay...looks like another flick of gross violence.
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Interview with Balki about "Cheeni Kum".
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1677032,00110003.htm
thanks,
Krishnan
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Well his love for IR has been known to us loads of times...lets hope IR repays Balki's "love" by giving us scintillating music which he is bound to give.
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Digression,
Can someone post a link to MP3 or CD audio purchase information of the Telugu movie by IR
"Ninnu CHoodalennu Nennu undenuka ".. I could have very well mispelt the name.
thanks
MSK
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MSK,
You can download most of the IR's Telugu songs from Andhravilas.com in RM format. Ofcourse you have to register for free before downloading
Ninnuchoodaka Nennundaleni has some excellent melodies
Komallo koyila is a well composed song with some melody counterpoints and sung by Raja himself
the other songs are 'Chamak cham' a typical Andhraish dance no.,
Jajji malli a rehash of 'enna solli paaduvatho', 'kondapalli', 'sari sari' and 'Etho mounaragam'
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Rajasaranam,
thanks. i have listened to these songs and my fav is Komallo as well.. Especially after the first interlude, when IR goes" ..Ko ko ko ko Komallo ..".. Nice..
Etho Mouna raagam has shades of " Muthin Mainthi ..O Saamandhi .." or some song like that in "XYZ Mogudu" or some Telugu movie like that ( I remember seeing the song on a TV channel in India and could bet that it was by IR ).
Jajji Malli and Kondapalli are rehashes. But in Kondapalli did you see how IR changed the instruments and tempo to suit the telugu style rythm/beats..In the Mallu version in KKS, the tune is more melody and the lyrics are awesome ( I understand Malayalam to some xtent ) ..
Do u know where i can get the CD.. i will be in Singapore/India in a couple of weeks from now.
Cheers
MSK
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http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/26/stories/2006042621180200.htm
..."Music by Ilayaraja falls short of expectations" it says
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app_engine wrote: |
http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/26/stories/2006042621180200.htm
..."Music by Ilayaraja falls short of expectations" it says |
the whole mfm is praising the music and here he comes. Kazhuthaikku theriyuma karpoora vaasanai.
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Well looking at the article writer i thought he must be another north indian who ignores raja's talents....oruthan rombo nalla music penaana yethukkuvae matteingela?...intha mathiri na yeppodumae ungalakku Anu Malik thaan seri..
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IR Fans
We love IR's music because of our infinite love for his music. We shouldnt get distracted because of 1 bad comment.... We also get disappointed with some of his latest albums, but we are not timid to express our dismay.... but when we like an album, we like it wholeheartedly.
Digression
I watched the movie "DEEPAM" yesterday just for our IR; and IR didnt disappoint me at all. the movie has 3 fab songs namely Andhapurathil, Poo vizhi and Pesathe.....
The "Pesathe" song is an unknown IR gem full of guitar inerludesss...... Check it out dudes.
Sivaji's action was fantastic and so was IR's BGM
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MSK, You lose that bet. That song was by MM Keeravani a.k.a Maragadhamani (a.k.a, MM Kreem, I may add for full measure).
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rooky wrote: |
Hulkster wrote: | Krishnan sir are there any songs for Shiva movie?...its been long since i heard a hindi song from Illayaraja(tired of all the lifted hindi songs nowadayas)...Mahadev was his last hindi movie?(heyram not really counted due to it being a bilingual) |
..and so does Indiaglitz
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22041.html |
..and thatstamil too confirms (movie name wrongly mentioned though)
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/illaiyaraja.html
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Guys,
What do you think about writing to Balki about our expectations ? Just let him know we are all looking forward to great music from Balki-IR combination considering the equisite taste Balki displays of IR's music. Maybe we also would put very discreetly that, we are not happy with some latest releases - atleast myself and few others here - (one of us needs to come up with some very nice diplomatic verbiage here ) and hope that we get some fresh tune, stylish but pure acoustic recording from IR for this movie. Mahadev was done with a panache that I feel even the latest/greatest MDs might fail to equal.
I hope IR uses Sadhana or Shreya instead of Lata and the rhythm programming is much better than it was in Lajja. Maybe Ranjit Barot is tapped to work with him.
Well..I should say this, this man Balki has my respect. He has the guts to say that he likes the music of a southie, but when things like this , I am told, is not 'very cool' in the biased Bollywood atmosphere.
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Kiru sir...appadiyae enna raagam...enna instruments...enna style paathu vendum nu request annupovoma?......balakrishnan should get the best out of IR and from the songs he put in his advertisement, it seems he is a melody lover especially the WCM kind...poruthirunthu paarpom.
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Let's discuss the succes of IR's latest Madhu ...
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rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks.
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Hulkster wrote: |
rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks. |
I appreciated (and still appreciate) his old songs.. But, his latest works are just NOT optimal. He's sinking the standard he created for himself a time..
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Well Madhu is quite good....unless your the type who does not like synth melodies or very soft paced songs then i guess you will not like it....but for me i just watch the initial tune and the interludes..if these are satisfactory, then the songs are satisfactory for me too...i agree that it is not vintage stuff but they are quite good....but when albums like MX are said to be no good when it was vitage raja all the way fusing indian raagams with jazz rhythms...then i got nothing to say...just listen to poo poothadu and you will know what i mean by vintage raja.
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As for ARR i appreciate his music alot and i too like the way he does his fusions...his vennilavae from Minsara Kanavu is a great melody that he did....what i feel though is to get away from the usual techno stuff and start using orchestras so that he can prove himself as a good musician...not that i mean he cannot use orchestras...just that he needs more exposure and give more complex songs for the orchestra to play just like how IR mastered the use of a orchestra.
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Hulkster wrote: |
rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks. |
Hulkster
Vidunga sir. I am really tired of it. Except for few folks in ARR thread, we should stop responding to rest of them. They have nothing to discuss, so they are roaming around.
- Dhum irundha munnala vaa, illatee pinnaala po
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rashid2raj wrote: |
I appreciated (and still appreciate) his old songs.. But, his latest works are just NOT optimal. He's sinking the standard he created for himself a time.. |
and I appreciated ARR's old songs.. not the latest songs which are not so good
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rashid2raj wrote: |
Let's discuss the succes of IR's latest Madhu ... |
go discuss about pararasuram's success
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is it a fprum on IR or ARR
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Madhu songs are really good and Thanks Rashid for predicting on Madhu's success.
I really didn't have great opinions on Tippu as a singer.Now I am having different opinion of him after hearing Nilavi chutti song from Madhu. That's the power of Maestro.
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njv wrote: |
Hulkster wrote: | rashid....i know you guys do not appreciate IR's style of making music but making such sarcastic comments will only create more animosity...please refrain from it..thanks. |
Hulkster
Vidunga sir. I am really tired of it. Except for few folks in ARR thread, we should stop responding to rest of them. They have nothing to discuss, so they are roaming around.
- Dhum irundha munnala vaa, illatee pinnaala po |
Appadiya NJV sir...seri seri vitturom...aduttha IR album enna?...Naan kaduvul thaanae...eppo athai pathi discuss pennuvom...i remember IR was also signed for a navdeep movie called illavattam...any news about that...theres still quite alot of albums of IR we need to discuss soon..for now we will discuss about Naan kaduvul.
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Hulkster,
Sometime back I made a list of forthcoming Raja movies...
1. Naan Kadavul
2. Acharya (Vignesh starrer.. not much sound on this and may likely end-up like Kaadhal Jaathi, which did not see the light)
3. Balki's Cheeni Kum with Big B (Hindi)
4. RGV's Shiva - 2 (Hindi)
5. Vamsi's telugu movie and one more in telugu.. not so sure
and with five MDs rumored for Dasavathaaram.. u never know
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I believe kamal knows IR hates the idea of being just called up for one song....but then again its kamal and perhaps he may give IR the idea of composing the bgm like Lajja style.
The one more in telugu i guess is the classical music movie which they just announced a few weeks back.
Ah acharya...it is that movie that i was interested in...last heard of it around december..and looking from the stills it looks captivating..but then again like what you said may never see the light of the day..
Lets see what IR has in store of us....i also remember another movie where there is no technical lighting used for the first time which he is also scoring for...that movie was announced before Acharya in cinesouth.
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Renault wrote: |
and with five MDs rumored for Dasavathaaram.. u never know |
Hope its rumor and if not 100% IR wont be in the list. After JOK and his next movie with Gautham Surya is acting for Jo's production and IR is the MD. Name etc not decided yet.
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And the movie is supposedly a RGV film...thats what i heard too...not sure if this film comes first or gauthams movie...let us wait and see.
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Renault wrote: |
Hulkster,
Sometime back I made a list of forthcoming Raja movies...
1. Naan Kadavul
2. Acharya (Vignesh starrer.. not much sound on this and may likely end-up like Kaadhal Jaathi, which did not see the light)
3. Balki's Cheeni Kum with Big B (Hindi)
4. RGV's Shiva - 2 (Hindi)
5. Vamsi's telugu movie and one more in telugu.. not so sure
and with five MDs rumored for Dasavathaaram.. u never know |
i think u missed 1 important movie "Maya kannadi" by Cheran.
there is another movie "adum koothu" also by raja. i am not sure on this. if anybody knows then they can clarify.
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Yes aadum koothu is by IR...has been confirmed long ago...the director is the one who directed the movie where meera got her national award...the movie has cheran starring in three roles along with padmapriya...and also pandiarajan is inside...i believe the director name is T.V Chandran or something.
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Thanks for indicating my misses in the list Vasanth. Those were there in my previous list along with Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, which the movie is still unreleased.
I am kind of surprised and happy on Surya's next movie with IR as MD.. Is there any confirmed news on that. I know that Surya is a HCIRF himself.. and I was also surprised he approached Rahman for his JEOK.
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5 MD's for a single movie has already been done in the eighties with SG-IR etc ., for a single movie....damn Iam not getting the name of the movie and song right now
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there were more movies announced in last two years and cant find any action on the them
Pokkisham, Atrai thingal annilavil, saaral, kaadhal arangam, etc., are a few that come to my mind
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Well, ARR is more saleable than IR is these days. Even YSR's audio sells better. So no surprise there.
Vasanth has good music taste. Whatever the result of his films, he has always been able to get good or popular music out of the MDs. So if IR does a film with Vasanth, it might just be a great album to get, fate willing. In the past, IR always gave consistent great albums to popular directors.
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googled out
Kannil theriyum kadhaigal had 5 md's with IR's
naan oru ponoviyum kanden' and SG's 'naan unna nenachen' other details yet to be googled....
http://www.enricos.tfmpage.com/forum/15111.12.23.22.html
Googling revelead more
even Auto raja had five Md's not sure though with the evergreen 'sangathil paadatha'
so its not new to Raja!
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Kiru,
Do u have Balki's email ID by any chance? Although I am very interested in "Cheeni Kum" album to come out well for many reasons, I am more interested in Balki's idea and efforts in bringing out IR's old tamil Hits in digitally remastered version, he did mention in an interview ( I think, he is the only hope in this regard, being in the media business and a HCIR fan, KR and YSR taking such project is vanished from my dreams long ago), hope he succeeds and I think we should make a collective effort to have a communication with Balki , if he is seriously into that idea.
If Balki claims himself the biggest IR fan on the universe, I am surprised if he ever even participated in this forum , ( enna daan busy ya irundhalum, TFM forum le atleast participate pannale ( atleast for name sake)nna Big IR fan tag nambaradhu konjam kastam)
Prabhudas
Add, Kannada version of "pitamahan" to IR forthcoming release
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rajasaranam wrote: |
there were more movies announced in last two years and cant find any action on the them
Pokkisham, Atrai thingal annilavil, saaral, kaadhal arangam, etc., are a few that come to my mind |
FYI 'Pokkisham' is now 'Maykannaadi'
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rajasaranam,
I guess 'Sangathil Paadatha' is by Raja, he used the same basic tune in 'Thumbi Vaa' for 'Olangal' too.
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More on Kannil Theriyum Kadhaigal:
http://dhool.com/sotd2/569.html
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For all I know, I have a feeling that Cheeni Kum will not have new tunes. Thay most probably will have old IR hits, remixed, the way it was done for Balu Mahendra's Aur Ek Prem kahani. That is what IR usually does for Hindi.
Although, I hope I am proven wrong.
Also Vasanth, Acharya is not by IR. I think the trailer is in Indiaglitz and I dont remember seeing IR's name.
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12bums it is by IR....they announced it in cinesouth not long ago....well we all hope IR does not reuse his tunes....he might be inspired to create some classic hindi tunes...but then again hindi music lovers dunnot really appreciate IR...
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rajasaranam wrote: |
googled out
Kannil theriyum kadhaigal had 5 md's with IR's |
Kannil theriyum kadhaigal was produced by A.L. Raghavan and starred Sarathbabu, Sripriya and Vadivukkarasi in a love triangle. The movie had five MDs with each scoring a song. They were - GK Venkatesh, TR Pappa, KV Mahadevan, Shankar-Ganesh and Illayaraja. Needless to say the movie bombed and so did ALR's foray into producing movies.
Songs:
naa unna nenechen - SPB, VJ & Jikki (Shankar Ganesh)
naan oru ponnOviyam kandEn - SPB, PS & SJ (Illayaraja)
naan paarththa rathi dEvi engE - ALR (GK Venkatesh)
onnu rendu moonu - SPS & Sasirekha (TR Pappa)
vEttaikkaaran malaiyilE - TMS (KV Mahadevan)
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prabhudas: I have Balki's mail ID and have written to him about his past Raja song usage in his ads. He responded too with a simple 'I'm one of Raja's biggest fans'.
I presume that still doesnt answer other questions like how will people come to know its by IR!
Lemme not put out his mail ID in an open forum...just mail me ur ID and I'll send his ID.
Karthik
6times9@gmail.com
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12bums wrote: |
For all I know, I have a feeling that Cheeni Kum will not have new tunes. Thay most probably will have old IR hits, remixed, the way it was done for Balu Mahendra's Aur Ek Prem kahani. That is what IR usually does for Hindi.
Although, I hope I am proven wrong.
Also Vasanth, Acharya is not by IR. I think the trailer is in Indiaglitz and I dont remember seeing IR's name. |
you are right....Raja isn't composing for Acharya. Sabesh-Murali are composing for it.
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The composer has been changed?...that movie needed IR's touch in bgm looking by the stills...guess we will have to see what other movies he might be scoring music for.
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Hi Karthik,
Thanks, i just sent u a PM please check and respond.
12 Bums,
I have a doubt similar to u, about "Cheeni Kum" songs, in the lines of IR's old melodies rehashed of Balu's earlier Hindi movie, especially knowing Balki's craving for IR's early compositions, which is still fine if they limit to just one or 2 songs like that and if they choose some real good melody from yester years.
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Read this article in Kumudam Reporter mag
It says whenever IR gets emotional on seeing a movie for doing BGM, that movie will turn flop and recently he was doing a movie (they didnt say the movie name directly just said something related to Jail) and he did go emotional. So the producer and director got worried it seems....
Any thoughts on what that movie might be?
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Buggle,
Any idea where we can arrange for 'powercuts'? It seems that when IR did Annakili, the power went out several times. I assume that power failure was the reason Annakkili was a blockbuster musical hit.
Ellaathukkum oru limit illa?
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aruvi wrote: |
Buggle,
Any idea where we can arrange for 'powercuts'? It seems that when IR did Annakili, the power went out several times. I assume that power failure was the reason Annakkili was a blockbuster musical hit.
Ellaathukkum oru limit illa? |
good one aruvi
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RS, i am a big ardent fan of IR. I just posted that since i read that in kumudam...
well everyone in film industry is too sentimental (exceptions are there like KH), but still i dont give a damn s*** to all these as long as songs and BGM are good that's what matters...
still any thoughts on what the movie name might be, they said in a siraichalai related movie...
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Looks like 'Madhu' is releasing this week.Saw advt in Dina thanthi
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buggle wrote: |
RS, i am a big ardent fan of IR. I just posted that since i read that in kumudam...
well everyone in film industry is too sentimental (exceptions are there like KH), but still i dont give a damn s*** to all these as long as songs and BGM are good that's what matters...
still any thoughts on what the movie name might be, they said in a siraichalai related movie... |
Buggle sorry if that has offended you I too read Reporter...never mind these kind of craps will be written in these kisu kisu magazines. but Me too want to know the name of the movie. the words in the titbit was something like ''siraichalai' peyar konda oar padathin recordingin bodhu...'
if its madhu how come it relates to siraichalai ???
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Naushad: Composer of the century - a great composer passes away
http://specials.rediff.com/movies/2006/may/08sl1.htm?q=np&file=.htm
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Check this web site
http://www.rakkamma.com/
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Nice site Sanjeevi!!
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www.raaja.com says there is new upcoming movie titled 'HOPE' in telugu... any details on this movie
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Rajasaranam,
"Hope" is an offbeat film, with Kalyani (kaveri on tamil screen) and Ramanaidu (producer).
Seems to be inspired by Black.
Glad to see IR scoring for this film. We all know how he infuses life into these off beat films with his re-recording...
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/01/27/stories/2006012701310200.htm
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Thanks Teja
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Fazil to direct a new Tamil film with Madhavan in the lead role. Dont know if IR is the music director.
Watched IR's one man show last week. Excellent programme with IR sharing all his experiences right from Annakili to Heyram. YSR's wife also hummed for Nila Adhu vaanathu mele song. Crowd burst into joy and rapture when IR started to sing Thendral vandhu and Thenpandi seemayile....
Surprising element was Oram Po Oram Po song. IR was in great mood, and he recalled those days with Kannadasan. He
extolled Kannadasan so much that he feels fortunate to have been born on the same soil as Nayanmars, Alwars, and Kannadasan. He went on to say that Kannadasan is the greatest lyricist he has seen in his life.
Then he praised SD Burman and MSV. When somebody asked him how Maanguyile Poonguyile song would sound if YSR had composed, IR quickly came up with a remix tune with a stylish accent..... It was very funny to see IR in playful mood.
Finally IR acknowledged & congratulated all his musicians wholeheartedly !!!
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vem wrote: |
Fazil to direct a new Tamil film with Madhavan in the lead role. Dont know if IR is the music director.
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New news . can anybody give more details ?
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Ilayaraja and Vamsi are back
http://www.telugucinema.com/tc/news/vamsi_may1006.php
Seems Aaryan Rajesh is the hero!
Hmm...!
Now, IR and Vamsy have to come up with nothing less than a magical score, to make this film click... IMO.
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Thanks for the info Teja
So its 6 films are in store for us in Telugu to be composed by IR is it?
Teja's movie
Vamsi's movie
RGV's Movie
one film on a goddess
An experimental movie with a single character titled 'Factory'
another offbeat movie titled 'Hope'
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Now Raja is doing big films after a short period
Tamil - Naan Kadavul
Telugu - Vamsi, Teja, RGV films
Hindi - Amitab film
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Digression -
I happened to listen to Guitar Prsanna's electric Ganesha land and it is very good
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Madhu review
http://us.rediff.com/movies/2006/may/19maadhu.htm
on the film's music...
"Adding to this is Illayaraja's music, a rehash of his music from the 70s (for such a subject, the maestro has given what it deserves). "
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Cinesouth said IR's music is the sole saving grace for the whole film. mixed reviews most probably...galatta.com mentions the songs were too slow paced but the background music was excellent.
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Popular telugu singer Sunitha on IR
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Q: Normally many singers touch the feet of Music Directors when ever they meet. What do you think about such show of respect?
A: By the time I joined the industry that trend had changed. I did not meet any music director who insisted that we touch his feet and now it does not exist any longer. Everybody is on friendly terms with each other. Such things we should feel like doing then only will it be of any value. But I never had to face any such situation where it was like I wont be given an opportunity to sing if I dont touch the music directors feet. Keeravani garu, Ramana Gogula garu or Krishna Reddy garu none of them asked for such show of respect. But I, on my own touched Ilayraja garus feet when I met him for the first time. Whether or not he gave me a chance to sing it was enough to just see him. I respect him that much.
Q: Who is your favorite music director? In whose composition do you feel you should sing at least one song?
A: It was my life ambition to sing an Ilayraja composition, to work for Bapu and Viswanath films. And I have achieved all three. Ilayraja introduced me to both the Tamil and Kannada Industries and in Telugu I sang for Sivaputhrudu movie, of his composition.
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http://www.ragalahari.com/interview.asp?whose=sunitha
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KR has done reaaly a good job in Naalai and Mandhodu mazhaikalam.
Pretty good come back
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Raja is proving to be consistent in turning out beautiful melodies, film after film for Mallus. Check this for the latest film, Rasathandiram - starring Mohanlal.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/malayalam/musicreview/8293.html
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IR refuses to sing under Srikanth deva?
http://epaper.tamilmurasu.in/2006/may/21/10_4.jpg
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No way Raja would have done that. Srikanth Deva shamefully lifted Tiruvasagam music pieces as a BGM in the sub-standard movie Bambarakannaley.
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Raja will not and should not sing for substandard MDs. Thank God sanity prevails.
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RR the words are twisted in nthe news item you have given. It doesnt directly point IR refusing to sing. It says "Isai Amaipavar srikanth deva enbathaal avar pada maataar endraargal". Yaar sonnathunnu poadaama vittathuthaan padikaravangala enna madhiri vaena interpret panna vaikuthu
It seems they should have discussed about this within themselves and the director should have said lets apporach IR. Somebody in the discussion could have said 'Illanga avar paada maataar' and then they would have thought of approaching BW.
Read the article again they have given clear details about approaching BW - that he refused when the director asked and SD went in person to convince him. But no such details been given for them Approaching IR...Cant you understand from this that its a fabrication of the newspaper.
Dont know why this Tamilmurasu is behind IR
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Rasathanthiram leading in all Malayalam countdowns
http://raaga.com/channels/malayalam/top10.asp
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/ut/s/20/10/
Now where are those morons who said its only 2 or 3 of us here are appreciating the album
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Vamsy's 'Missed Call' with Aaryan Rajesh.
Date Updated: 5/22/2006
Director Vamsy is making a film with hero Aaryan Rajesh and the film is titled as Missed call. Vamsy is coming back after a long gap and Illayaraja is composing the scores for the film.
http://andhravilas.com/movienews.asp?id=5383
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Looks like "Naan Kadavul" is shelved for now...
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22572.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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I too heard tha the movie is shelved as of now because of PLthenappan. He is already in troubles with that chimpu's Vallavan and also lost some money it seems. He wants Bala to wait till his financial condition improves.
Hmmm.... but Bala whose last movie came 2 years back seems hellbent on going ahead with the movie and is trying out for some other producers. Lets hope for the best
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IR to score music for WDB Karunanidhi's biopic movie. Source:
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2006/05/22/actors.html
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Bharathwaj has already sung for HJ in Thotti Jaya 'Uyirey Ennuyire' song. So, loss of credibility of that news item.
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Recently I got an album "Sri Siradi Saibaba" by Ilaiyaraja. It's got tracks by S.P.B, Jesudas and P.Suseela. It's an Oriental records(Echo)release. CD was priced Rs.49. I've never heard of this particular album before? Any news on this?
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Seems like the dubbed version of a Telugu film from late 80's (Sri Shiridi Saibaba Mahathyam).
I remember reading somewhere that this film created a record in audio sales that was unbeaten for more than 10 years.
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Is it only me feeling this way or some of you too feel the same ? Iam talking about the female solo song "indha ulagil naan irundhaalum" from the recent movie "Madhu". Why does it sound like a Christian church song? Though the orchestration is good, the singing is flat without any gamakam and the overall texture of this song is churck like. Is it deliberate?
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Thats because the heroine in that song wants to become a NUN -thats why .
A comparison betwene this Poo Pookum Minsaara Kanavu-
Both are sung by similar characters but there is a great deal of difference in the song .Raaja's song was more suited to the movie ,but no way near a hit .Rehman song did have some traces of the mood but a huge commercial mood.
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MumbaiRamki, unfortunately Shalini is not a Chitra or a Sujatha to elevate a mediocre tune to good listening pleasure. This is what Chitra and a nice orchestration did to a very pedestrian tune like "endhu paranjaalum" in "Achuvinte Amma" . But "swasathin thaalam" from the same "Achuvinte amma" is a different ball. The tune itself is catchy with good flow in the Charanam too. One could make this out even when IR sings out to the director, playing the harmonium. The harmony and western orchestration transform this tune to sheer magic
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There is a reason to choose shalini -she is a trained singer from convent (Vijay TV sangamam)..she is not that emotive but not bad
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I like 2 songs "Nilavai chutri" and "ketkavillaiyaa" in that order from the recent "Madhu".
"Nilavai chutri" - Tippu has done a commendable job in "Nilavai chutri", though I miss my fav SPB for such pleasant, peppy numbers. IR might have used synth for these 2 songs. But it is the composition that matters. Synth is only an implementation. The guitar fillers are absolutely Rajaish.
Ketkavillaiyaa - This unconventional tune is a big plus . The first interlude is a sheer beauty while the second interlude just bridges the charanam
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I heard IR is choosing/selecting only good movies now a days. May be true in MFM but not in TFM. Madhu is a horrible movie. I wonder why Christines in TN didnt protest this movie. It is definitely against their sentiment. If becoming nun is a sin (according to the director) we wouldnt have had Mother Teressa.
This director must have loved some girl and she would have become a nun and he is wetting out. Idiot.
I used to like Ketkavillaiya song before watching the movie. Now I cant anymore. What a waste of IRs time.
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what abt Minsaara Kanavu?
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njv wrote: |
I heard IR is choosing/selecting only good movies now a days. May be true in MFM but not in TFM. Madhu is a horrible movie. I wonder why Christines in TN didnt protest this movie. It is definitely against their sentiment. If becoming nun is a sin (according to the director) we wouldnt have had Mother Teressa.
This director must have loved some girl and she would have become a nun and he is wetting out. Idiot.
I used to like Ketkavillaiya song before watching the movie. Now I cant anymore. What a waste of IRs time. |
njv this is a childish way of seeing a movie IMHO The movie was a total waste is another thing but the theme was good enough for IR to get involved in this project. whats wrong with a guy falling in love with a girl who aspires to be a nun. As ramki pointed out 'Minsaaru kanavu' held the same theme and it was the making of that movie which made it a hit.
There are different kinds of directors here. Some who come up with good theme but doesnt know how to project it in screen. Some who will have a feeble storyline but will get the best out of everybody in the team and project it appealingly. Some can excell in both- thematically aswelas in screen. The director of madhu falls in the first category.
Well Iam thinking now after reading your post - why this movie was not protested by the christians...If then the movie would have got noticed and would have been a hit for unfathomable reasons
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"why this movie was not protested by the christians." - well , seems they are training their guns on a bigger fish like "Da Vinci Code" instead of wasting their energy on a nonentity like "Madhu"
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To some extent, Aruvadai Naal and Konji Pesalam had the same theme.
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
what abt Minsaara Kanavu? |
MK
There is a big difference. In MK the girl eventually fall in love with another guy which is still fine. Here in Madhu she is forced to love a guy (and the force is happening thru Ketkavillaiya song, if you watch the movie you will know why I didnt like this - I dont want to describe the situation spoil your movie watching experience in case you want to watch this movie regardless - just like me, I watched it because the title has IR in it)
Rajasaranam,
I agree, the director probably belongs to first category. IR would have thought that its a good subject to evaluate to Alaikal Oivathillai level but the director is not BR. Hmm... This movie just gave be big head ache and probably the reason for my earlier post.
Thumburu
It seems TN is the only place where Da Vinci Code is not protested and now they are blamming Father Jaggath for that... In TN you give and take. Give up on Da Vinci Code and take up Sandiyar vs Virumaandi. You give up Thirupathi and take Vasoolraja MBBS (Doctors protested that it will damage their "community" and they didnt think about Thirupathi damaging them). Its okay to kill animals and eat them but not okay to have a horse riding scene in Imsai arasan 23m pulikesi.
In Goundamani's word Arasiyalla (i mean Tamilnatla) idhallaam sagajam machi.
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crvenky wrote: |
To some extent, Aruvadai Naal and Konji Pesalam had the same theme. |
Hmm... didnt see both the movies. I know the songs are good in both but never watched the movies. Wonder how many more movies came in the same subject.
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Infact saw an interview with SATHYAN ANTHIKAAD in a malayalam channel last week. Infact He was discussing about RASATHANTHRAM songs composed by raja.
Ilayaraja infact was not happy with one of the songs during the preview. He called up sathyan and re-composed the song and that song came out as POO KUMKAMAPOO ......
Sathyan was lavishly praising the genius of raja.....
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kingvj wrote: |
Bharathwaj has already sung for HJ in Thotti Jaya 'Uyirey Ennuyire' song. So, loss of credibility of that news item. |
i don't think so..
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Sathyans Rasathantram has already grossed nearly Rs 10 Crore from releasing stations, a new box-office record....says Sify...
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http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-06-07/pg8.php
Some info on `Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE' and 'annakkiLi onnaththEdudhE'...supposedly IR's mother's compositions...
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app_engine wrote: |
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-06-07/pg8.php
Some info on `Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE' and 'annakkiLi onnaththEdudhE'...supposedly IR's mother's compositions... |
Vamba vilaikku vangeeranga ippo
Sila so called IR fanatics unga mela paya poranga ippo
I belive manguyile poonguyile also has a similar story
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Gangai Amaran Ir's blood brother claims that so it has to be true.
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"Sila so called IR fanatics unga mela paya poranga ippo "
...Probably not.
Reasons:
1. This is a fairly decent thread with mature participants
2. The opinion is not mine but GA's. Any missile will be automatically redirected to him and I won't be trying to justify GA:-)
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Ask anyone who loves IR's folk songs...while the melody is sweet and catches your attention instantly, what makes you listen to the song over and over 1000's of times is not just that. Neither are those lines that bring the true village feeling alone.
There's this factor, which I believe is truly IR's alone, which is the thuLLal orchestration for such songs...for e.g. I can listen to Ayiram thAmarai just for its first interlude (and the brilliant `thananana-thananana nanana nanana' by SJ in the end) for 1000 times and more...
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App,
I don't know when will this issue regarding "annakiliye unnai theduthe" song end, the other day in Vijay TV in a new program " Coffee with Suchi" ( A talk show hosted by Radio Mirchi Suchi, it's a nice program so far going well obviously million times better than those horrible SUN TV programs) Dancer Padma Subramanyam when asked to sing a song (as she has been a singer also especially having released an LP record on tamil Folk songs in the 70's with Malasiya Vasu as the co singer) she said many of her folk songs have come to cinema and particularly she mentioned " even Annakiliye " song was originally a folk song which she had sung and Raja liked it( not her song exactly, but that folk song in general) so much that he wanted to use it for his Annakili movie. I think RR mentioned in the Manisegaran's "Raajanna Raaja dhaan" thread about it also.
Listened and listening to "Rasathanthram" songs, IMO one of the better albums by IR except "Daasanna's" (KJY) song
(his ageing voice) all songs are very nice, a must album for all IR fans.
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app_engine wrote: |
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-06-07/pg8.php
Some info on `Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE' and 'annakkiLi onnaththEdudhE'...supposedly IR's mother's compositions... |
Here's the full text,
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தான் வாழ்ந்த வீடுகளின் நினைவுகளை நம்முடன் பகிர்ந்துக் கொள்கிறார் கங்கைஅமரன்.
கேரள மலைத்தொடரின் எல்லையில், நாங்கள் பிறந்து வளர்ந்த அழகான பண்ணைபுர கிராமம் இருக்கிறது. கிட்டத்தட்ட ஒரு ஆயிரம் வீடுகள் இருக்கும். அதில் முக்கால்வாசி வீடுகள் குடிசை. ஒரு நாலைந்து வீடுகள்தான் காரை வீடுகள். அதில் ஒரு வீடு எங்களுடையது.
அப்பா ராமசாமி ஏலமலை காபி எஸ்டேட்டில் வெள்ளைக்கார துரையிடம் மேனேஜராக இருந்தார்.
ரேழி, தாழ்வாரம், கூடம் என்று எங்கள் வீடு பழைய கிராமிய கலாச்சாரத்துடன் இருக்கும். அந்த வீட்டில்தான் அண்ணன், தம்பிகள் நான்குபேர். அக்கா தங்கை இரண்டுபேர் என்று சந்தோஷமான வாழ்க்கை. அந்த சந்தோஷங்கள் எத்தனை பணம் கொடுத்தாலும் திரும்பி வராது. அம்மாவும் நன்றாக பாடுவார். அலைகள் ஓய்வதில்லை படத்தில் வரும் ஆயிரம் தாமரை மொட்டுக்களே என்ற பாட்டு அம்மா முன்பே பாடிய கும்மிப்பாட்டுதான். அதே போல் அவர் பாடிய அன்னக்கிளி உன்னைத் தேடுதே... பாடல். இதுவும் அம்மா பாடியதுதான். அம்மா பிரமாதமாக மெட்டு போடுவார். இவையெல்லாம் அந்த கிராமத்து வீட்டில்தான் நடந்தது.
லீsஜீணீநீமீ=10பாரதிராஜா எங்கள் வீட்டுக்கு வருவார். அப்போதே நாங்கள் வீட்டிற்குள்ளேயே நாடகமெல்லாம் போட்டிருக்கிறோம். அப்போது எங்களுக்குள் ஒற்றுமையும், சந்தோஷமும் நிறைய இருந்தது.
பாரதிராஜா சென்னை வந்ததும் கொஞ்சநாள் கழித்து நாங்களும் பண்ணைபுரத்திலிருந்து சென்னை வந்துவிட்டோம். சென்னை வந்ததும் பாரதிராஜாவைத் தேடிப் போன போது, அவர் இருந்த இடம் ஒரு பேச்சுலர் லாட்ஜ். மாம்பலத்தில் நெ.62கி உஸ்மான் ரோடு. பகலில் அவரைப் பார்க்க வருவதுபோல் வந்து குளித்து, டிரஸ் மாற்றிக்கொண்டு இரவில் மொட்டை மாடியில் பாயை விரித்து வாட்ச்மேனுக்குத் தெரியாமல் திருட்டுத்தனமாக படுத்த நாட்களும் எங்களால் மறக்க முடியாது.
அடுத்து இராயப்பேட்டையில் நெ.67 முத்து முதலி தெரு. இங்கு இருந்த போதுதான் தன்ராஜ் மாஸ்டரிடம் இசை கற்றுக் கொண்டோம். கற்றுக் கொண்ட கையோடு டிராமாக்களுக்கு இசையமைத்துக் கொடுத்தோம். ஒரு நாளைக்கு முப்பது ரூபாய் கிடைக்கும். அந்த முப்பது ரூபாயே எங்களுக்கு அப்போது மிகப்பெரிய தொகையாக பட்டது.
மயிலாப்பூரில் கச்சேரி தெருவில் கச்சேரி சந்து என்ற இடத்தில் இருந்தபோது இசையமைப்பாளர் ஜி.கே. வெங்கடேஷ் குழுவில் கிடார் வாசிக்க எனக்கும், இளையராஜாவிற்கும் வாய்ப்பு கிடைத்தது. தொடர்ந்து ரெக்கார்டிங், கச்சேரி என்று நல்ல வருமானம் வந்து கொண்டு இருந்ததால் கிராமத்தில் தனியாக இருக்கும் அம்மாவை அழைத்துக் கொண்டுவந்து அவர் கையால் சாப்பிட வேண்டுமென்று எங்கள் எல்லோருக்கும் ஆசை.
லீsஜீணீநீமீ=10அப்போது அம்மா, நாங்கள் இருந்த வீட்டைப் பார்த்துவிட்டு கிராமத்தில் ஒரு பெரிய வீட்டில் இருந்துவிட்டு இவ்வளவு சிறிய வீட்டில் கஷ்டப்படுகிறார்களே என்று வருத்தப்பட்டார். சாந்தோம் காரணீஸ்வரர் கோயில் தெருவில் இருந்த போதுதான் இளையராஜாவிற்கும், ஆர்.டி.பாஸ்கருக்கும் திருமணம் நடந்தது. எனக்கும், கலாவிற்கும் காதல் ஏற்பட்டதும் அந்த வீட்டில்தான். அந்த வீட்டில் ஒரு ஹால், இரண்டு பெட்ரூம் இருந்ததால் எனக்கு திருமணமானதும் இராஜா அண்ணாமலை தெருவிலுள்ள ஆறாவது தெரு வீட்டிற்குப் போய்விட்டோம். பெரிய வீடு. அதில் ஒரு ரூமை எடுத்துக் கொண்டு மாமனாருக்கே மாத வாடகை கொடுத்து என் வாழ்க்கையை ஆரம்பித்தேன்.
சினிமாவில் நான் வெற்றி பெற்று நன்றாக சம்பாதிக்கத் துவங்கியதும் அந்த வீட்டை நானே விலைக்கு வாங்கிம் பெரிய அளவில் விரிவு படுத்தினேன். அந்த வீட்டில்தான் என் மகன்கள் வெங்கட் பிரபு, பிரேம்ஜி பிறந்தார்கள்.
இப்போது அடையார் இந்திரா நகரில் குடும்பத்தோடு உற்சாகம் பொங்க அமைதியான வாழ்க்கை ஓடிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறது. என் மன நிம்மதிக்கு ஷிவானி என்ற பேத்தி. எப்பேர்பட்ட சூழ்நிலையிலும் நான் அந்த குழந்தையைப் பார்த்தால் சந்தோஷம் வந்துவிடும். மூத்த மகன் வெங்கட் பிரபு ஜாலி பையன். எப்பவும் கலகலப்பா இருப்பான்.
மருமகள் ராஜலட்சுமி எனக்கு மகள் இல்லையே என்ற குறையை தீர்த்து வைத்திருக்கிறாள். எப்போதும் முகத்தில் சிரிப்புதான். மாமியார் மருமகளுக்குள் அப்படி ஒரு ஒற்றுமை. இரண்டு பேரும் அம்மா பொண்ணு மாதிரி பழகுவாங்க. நானே பார்த்து ஆச்சர்யப்பட்டிருக்கிறேன். இரண்டாவது மகன் பிரேம்ஜிக்கு பெண் தேடிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறேன். யுவன்சங்கர் ராஜாவிடம் கீ_போர்டு பிளேயராக பிஸியாக இருக்கிறான். இது தவிர இரண்டு படங்களுக்கு இசையமைத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறான். கடைசியா ஒரு விஷயம் சொல்லணும். வீடு சின்னதோ பெருசோ பணம் நிறைய இருக்கோ இல்லையோ, வீட்டிலிருக்கிற மனுஷங்க ஒருத்தருக்கு ஒருத்தர் அன்பா, பாசமா, விட்டுக் கொடுத்து வாழ்ந்தால் அதுலதான் சந்தோஷம் கிடைக்கும் என்கிறார் கங்கை அமரன்.
அனுபவ அமரன்.
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Source: Kumudam
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prabhudas,
Yaen ennai maatti vidareenga..
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See, everyone will have their own story about an incident like this, especially when the song was created before for other purpose.
Even ARR's "Thamiza Thamiza" was done much before Roja. ARR composed it with Bharat Bala(according to an interview from the latter) during the time Tamils were being ill-treated by Kannadigas.
I doubt Annakili was anyone's but IR's(I wonder how much of what GA said was written as said). Regarding Padma Subramaniam's info, even before, I knew of this. In an interview many years back, she had mentioned that IR and she had done a cassette with just folks songs. But she never said that it was hers. She said that she had sung Annakili as part of a folk song cassette.
Again, I can never tell what to cut and paste with all the info we get. In any event, Annakili song is not IR's signature song. There are hundreds of others that I would think of before saying Annakili. And I am sure many who like IR's songs would say the same.
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RR
http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=425&highlight=annakili+unnai&sid=3f9f85921d0356b58a99f7fd16250066
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: RR (@ 192.*) on: Tue Nov 9 23:19:09 EST 2004
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Manisekaran: Any reasons why he selected 'annakkili unnaitheduthe' for his debut movie? I was somewhat disappointed to learn that it was originally composed(?) by dancer Padma subramanium.
Neenga mention panninadai quote panninen avvalodaan...
As Mr. Manisekaran mentioned in his reply, that was the first time I heard about such news, but the Vijay TV program confirmed from Padma Subramanyam quoting it herself.
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Digression:
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/04/stories/2006060407000200.htm
Movie "Periyar" to be directed by Gnana Rajasekaran (bharathi, mOgamuL, mugam). All his previous ventures are with iLLaiyaraaja, but this one - Periyar - is by Vidhyasagar!!
idhu karuthu vEtrumaiyA alladhu koLgai vEtrumaiyA??
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prabhudas wrote: |
Dancer Padma Subramanyam when asked to sing a song (as she has been a singer also especially having released an LP record on tamil Folk songs in the 70's with Malasiya Vasu as the co singer) she said many of her folk songs have come to cinema and particularly she mentioned " even Annakiliye " song was originally a folk song which she had sung |
It is their way of running down IR.She mentions it wherever she goes, even in some malayalam channels.even the interviewer was taken aback.
I think the story is IR,and GR helped Padma and her sister in collecting and cataloging a folk song album.Which consisted lot of songs Ir listened in his childhood.
Now Padma subramaniam seems to have taken a proprietary control over the songs, she is going around saying IR copied from her album.
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IR is going to score for "Kalaigar" movie which will tell story of karunanithi, the present cm.
Why do IR agree this type of movies????
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Sanjeevi,
Honestly, I have the same feelings. It would be better if he accepts 4 movies a year, and gives good music for them, rather than working in all these charity films. They are not doing him any good, and they certainly don't bring out the creative side in him like some commercial directors.
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A new movie "Ajanta" (multi-lingual (tamil, telugu, malayalam)) with music by IR. Cast and crew does not look promising
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22828.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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I also read this news in one daily paper.I am disappointed.
why raja accepting this type of dappa films?
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I remember Raja saying some time back that all big directors with successful movies of yesteryers have been backed by his music. He wants to encourage lot more new faces.
Result, we have Madhu, Ajanta, etc.
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Renault wrote: |
I remember Raja saying some time back that all big directors with successful movies of yesteryers have been backed by his music. He wants to encourage lot more new faces.
Result, we have Madhu, Ajanta, etc. |
Whether he said it or not , its absolutely true that directors like Devrajmohan, RVU, R.Sundarrajan ( both were good in picturisation also ) Rajkiran were benefitted by IR's scintillating music
Besides, there is a huge list of actors like Shivakumar, mohan, Vijaykanth etc who were given a new lease of life by IR . I recollect watching an IR programme in 90s wherein VK was saying Raja anne , raja anne
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on IRs' Birthday (June 2)
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22840.html
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vasanth2006 wrote: |
I also read this news in one daily paper.I am disappointed.
why raja accepting this type of dappa films? |
We wont know whether the movie is going to be a dabba or not before it comes out for instance take sethu it was actually in the dabba for one year so before its release and everybody knows what it did to vikram and bala after release eventually.
So i dont have any regrets about Raja accepting these kind of movies. The director a associate of pavithran the news says - Well Shankar was his assintant too once. look at the way he is making news today.
The movie plot is not yet revealed but they had given a grandiose shooting locations and title 'Ajantha' itself is inviting
lets hope for the best friends. even if the movie fails and songs bomb nothing is lost we can get a siru siru siragugalil as in KP or a ketkavillaya from madhu
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RGV talks about why he chose IR for Shiva redux. But after Rangeela, Daud and Mast, RGV hasnt dabbled in a full-fledged musical. Even for Naach, which demanded great music for saleability, he chose non-starters as composers and the effect we saw. He seems to have lost his interest in songs for his movies...even though he understands that some of his musicals were successful largely 'cos of their scores.
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=10&articleid=652006234943796652006234929609
Going by what he says here, I'm eagerly looking forward towards the music of Shiva!
Karthik
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Great news karthik. Thanks for the info
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Thanks Karthik! I was more keen on the BGM of this movie...but now the way he talks about the songs (2 of them atleast) has raised my curiosity level!
thanks,
Krishnan
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RGV wrote: |
If I'm working with Ilaiyaraaja in Shiva, I'm also working with Himesh Reshammiya in Sholay. It all depends on what the situation requires. As for Ilaiyaraaja, you have to see how contemporary his music in Shiva is.
The songs just left us breathless. |
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same news in tamil
http://www.dinamalar.com/2006june07/general_ind2.asp
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Yesterday I watched "Athu Oru Kana Kalam" on DVD. The movie felt like from '80s. And the BGM too. Many places the BGM was so dominating it was hard to hear the dialogues. In "Andhal Naal" song, Shreya sounds like Bhava!!! I think this song was composed keeping Bhava in mind......
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Genesis,
Adhu Oru was a movie which I thought ended before I could believe it. Raja was the hero of the movie and I felt PriyaMani had beter scope for acting, rather emoting than Dhanush.
Unfortunately, the songs did reach the masses here as thet were basking under a crappy Thayir saadham album
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Renault wrote: |
Unfortunately, the songs did reach the masses here as thet were basking under a crappy Thayir saadham album |
I meant the songs did not reach the masses.. thre rest of the statement will stand true for ages.
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kattu vazhi kaalnadaiya pora thambi is an excellent gem in this movie
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Watched 'Devan' in SunTV today. Didnt know that it was being played but I just woke up and saw initial BGM scenes which had 80's stamp of IR and thought 'whoa.. new movie and someone has used IR's pattern'. Then realised it was IR himself..!!
The movie was downright amaeturish initially (so was the BGM.. I didnt expect this quality from IR.. probably he or the director decided 'indha scenukku idhu podhum'..) The less the mention of songs the better.. BGM picked up after Vijayakanth's entry.
Overall, a good story spoilt by some bad screenplay/direction. IR's God-gifted talent wasted completely in a movie there's good scope of good BGM.
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"Thalattum Katre"
I liked very much this song in Devan.
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Thalattum katre and Oh indha ezhai geetham are two brilliant songs in Devan, other songs were so-so. But the BGM was grand with lots of brass scoring, esp. the climax. The themes for Vijayakanth and Arun Pandian were fresh. Raja's score for this movie and Aandan Adimai were soon after his return from Hungary.
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Sanjeevi wrote: |
"Thalattum Katre"
I liked very much this song in Devan. |
definitely the starting tune of "thalatum katre" is the replica of the "malaiyoram mayile" from "oruvar vazhum alayam".
raja somehow reused that tune.
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Maye the director wanted that tune. Invarialyot of songs we think as a re-use happen to e a director's pestering rather than Raja's wish.
It's a pity that the movie was a second-grade crap despite having stars like Vijaykanth, Kartik and Vivek.
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Radical on reel
IndiaGlitz [Wednesday, June 14, 2006]
After his critically acclaimed Bharathy, which documented the life and death of patriotic poet Bharathy, director Gnana Rajasekaran has commenced the work to chronicle the life of rationalist thinker and social reformer E V R Periyar.
Sathyaraj, who is a staunch non-believer and a keen admirer of Periyar, dons the title role.
Thrilled to play the role of his favorite leader, Sathyaraj, says 'A dream come true role in my life and I will not miss the opportunity'.
Meanwhile, the rest of the star cast is also finalized by Gnana Rajasekaran.
Kushboo and Malayalam girl Geethu Mohandas play the roles of Periyar's wives Nagammai and Maniammai.
Both are thrilled to play the real life characters of Nagammai and Maniammai.
Says Kushboo, 'Though I have not seen them I would try to give my best by talking to those associated with them. Actresses comes across such roles rarely in their lives and I consider lucky for it'.
The movie would have music by Ilayaraja.
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IR is doing music for another historical oriented film...bound to be great shakes..
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Hulkster,
this link says the music is by VS
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/04/stories/2006060407000200.htm
if its by IR then we can sure rejoice but lets wait till an official announcement
and moreover He is also scoring for the movie on 'Karunanidhi' titled 'Kalaignar' and it has been officialy announced
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Yeaps....i sincerely hope IR does the music for the periyar movie too...he and that director are a very good combination from what i heard in bharathy..
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Hulks they have done Mogamul and mugam earlier to bharathy together Hope they dont split
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I feel VS would give better melodies than IR as IR should be already drained of melodies by now. [No disrespect meant to the greatest IR here. But IR is human too. But I would be more than happy if miracles happen ]
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Well according to this IR is scoring for Periyaar
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/23045.html
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Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!!
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Thumburu,
Just curious what melody by IR was pale in comparision to VS melody in recent times or what VS melody was extraordinary (No disrespect to talented VS here, VS does give more melodies and has been giving melodies more often than others if not consistantly)but IMO VS success and recognition from masses unfortunately has come more for his kuthu songs Like Dhool, Gilli, Run than his melodies.
I don't know if IR's melodies are drained they still stand distinct from others ex. Madhu, Rasathanthram.
What melodies do we need for a movie on " Periyar" anyways, even with single soul stirring song with some amazing BGM for " Kamaraj" IR did a terrific job which might not have been the case with other MDs. IMO only ARR has estblished in providing better scores for period movies and Biographical movies ( multiple examples), may be he should be given ( but that's a dream knowing time and money involved with ARR, they could make several movies on many other leaders on that budget and time )
I am not against VS, who knows he might do good too, but I am not sure if he is capable of doing some thing distinct for movies like this.
On the BGM aspect, somehow I have always felt, IR should try something new in his forthcoming movies, being a HC fan of his BGMs despite being predictable in some sequences and repitative some how they are never boring or unsuitable in any of the movies till now, but somehow I felt Adoor Gopal's "Nizhalkuthu" had some totally different BGM score by IR (very subtle yet so good) may be the movie narration had some thing different
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sudhakarg
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Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!! |
I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism.
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Only a couple of weeks back i was able to get the Rasathanthiram CD. i was very impressed with the " Poo Kungkuma Poo " , " Aathinkarayorathu " and "Ponnavani.."..
Manjari seems to be good find.. KJY's Poo Kungumapoo version - he sounds tired..but the Chitra version was Excellent.
The CD had some bonus mallu songs as well .. pretty decent..Worth the money i spent for the CD.
Incidentally i was talking to a co-worker ( from kerala ) and he said the movie's director Sathyan is considered top notch in Kerala and has given quite a few decent flicks.
I also bought Pachakuthira but have not listened to it yet..
Cheers
MSK
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I sincerely hope IR works with Gnana sekaran for Periyar.
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Nitya wrote: |
I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism. |
Intolerence at its peak
When we atheists are able to listen to 'Thiruvaasagam' day and night for its literary and musical significance. Why can't you people listen to the music on the subject of athiesm for its social significance. This shows how narrow a theist's mind is. And how broad an Athiest's mind shouts Quote: |
'Paarada intha maanida parappai' - Bharathidasan |
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MrJudge wrote: |
I sincerely hope IR works with Gnana sekaran for Periyar. |
Lets hope for the best
I sincerely hope of Raja giving music to some songs of Bharathidasan, paavalar varadharajan and Pattukottai kalyanasundaram rightly placed in the movie
Naadi narambellam thudikka vaikkum Isai Makkalai Ezhuchi Kolla seiyum Isai Thevai >
'Manitha Manitha Ini un vizhigal Sivanthaal Ulagam Vidiyum' madhiri...
Though i believe even VS could do some magic as in the 'Parai' from Thendral...
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This website news doesnt sound promising
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/kushboo22.html
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rajasaranam wrote: |
I sincerely hope of Raja giving music to some songs of Bharathidasan, paavalar varadharajan and Pattukottai kalyanasundaram rightly placed in the movie
Naadi narambellam thudikka vaikkum Isai Makkalai Ezhuchi Kolla seiyum Isai Thevai >
'Manitha Manitha Ini un vizhigal Sivanthaal Ulagam Vidiyum' madhiri...
Though i believe even VS could do some magic as in the 'Parai' from Thendral... |
I too want IR to accept the offer. IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul. So IR will do it if he is approached. With the songs of people you listed here if IR sticks with manual orchestra, that will be a treat for all.
I don't think VS will do justice for this movie. He is totally out of form right now.
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MrJudge wrote: |
IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul. |
Exactly!
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yes.like ir to compose music for periyar
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bala's naan kadavul launched.music IR.
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Hoorayyyyyyyyyyy
Naan Kadavul Launched
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/23064.html
http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/livewire/id/4372/news/naankadavul.html
Hmmmmm Lets wait for the magic of Bala And Raja
Is it the Politician Krishnaswamy going to play an important role in it or is it someone else If its the politician this will be probably fourth attempt like this after Thirunavukarasu, Dr.Ramadoss and TholThiruma
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Don't forget Jeppiar
Bala quoted
He is the best music director in Indian cinema. No wonder we call him Isaigjani Ilayaraja .
Bala added that music will be an integral part of his film
http://sify.com/imagegallery/gallery/index.php?hcategory=13709686&hgallery=14227651
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Mr. Judge
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I too want IR to accept the offer. IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul. So IR will do it if he is approached. With the songs of people you listed here if IR sticks with manual orchestra, that will be a treat for all. |
You mean, if IR uses manual orchestra! You can't be too sure.
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Quote: | Nitya wrote:
I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism. |
Intolerence at its peak
When we atheists are able to listen to 'Thiruvaasagam' day and night for its literary and musical significance. Why can't you people listen to the music on the subject of athiesm for its social significance. This shows how narrow a theist's mind is. And how broad an Athiest's mind shouts Quote: |
'Paarada intha maanida parappai' - Bharathidasan |
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Hypocrisy at its peak!
Now, I have no qualms with 'Thiruvaasagam.' But what social significance are you talking about?
You may have a broad mind by the standards of you and I, but is your mind broad enough that you could tell me where I am, what I look like, and how much money I have? First see if you can answer this question and then brag about how broad atheists' minds are compared to theists.
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Nitya wrote: |
Mr. Judge
Quote: | I too want IR to accept the offer. IR had scored for movies with atheist themes ex. Kadavul. So IR will do it if he is approached. With the songs of people you listed here if IR sticks with manual orchestra, that will be a treat for all. |
You mean, if IR uses manual orchestra! You can't be too sure. |
I am among the one of IR fans who want him to go back to his roots where he is so strong instead of using synths. Somehow his songs sound lifeless with new tech. Just listen to 'kodiyile' from Kadalorak kavithaigal, everything was in the right proportion tune, recording with good bass etc. I wish IR sticks with orchestra if he gets this project.
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Nitya wrote: |
You may have a broad mind by the standards of you and I, but is your mind broad enough that you could tell me where I am, what I look like, and how much money I have? First see if you can answer this question and then brag about how broad atheists' minds are compared to theists. |
You are in planet earth
you almost look like a female
you have more money than you need
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Thnx for reminding Jpr
But the other sites mentions Krishnamurthy a carnatic singer 'will play a significant role'. Probably the earlier link where it mentioned Krishnaswamy should be wrong
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rajasaranam, Hmm...broadstroking theists on the basis of a sample set of 1 - thats broad-mindedness?
I do hope IR doesnt do Periyar - not because of the atheism thing - that atheism thing is only a part of Periar's ideology.But because I dont think we would get anything better than 'Kamaraj' - IR's formulaic approach is quite well known - in the sense not in the SARajkumar sense - same tune for all occasions - but in a different sense - IR does have a forumla for 1)Mallu movie sub-genres of movies - watch the similarity between Kastoori Maan and Kadalukku maraiyaadhai - both are sensitive malayalam-type movies and similarly, you can find sub-genres like this sub-genre of "Leader" movies. That said, who would do a better job? Surely, not VS?(Hey, we dont need a melody for this movie)
I hope to be pleasantly surprised if IR does do this movie and comes out with a different score.
Coming back to the atheism discussion and Periyar, I do agree with RS that Periyaar cannot be seen from a "GOD-hater" prism alone - he atleast lived with his principles, didnt aspire for power and though he initiated brahmin-baiting(a trait which IMO has been taken to its limits by DMK), I think it is quite natural for a section oppressed for centuries to feel bitter against the erstwhile oppressors - that doesnt justify it but atleast, I can understand. What I cannot understand though is the continued manic hate for Brahmins and attributing current manipulation of social engineering practices to them - RS, if you wake up, you will realise that the real threat to the oppressed people doesnt come from Brahmins but the political classes and families which promote their own interests at the expense of
1) Their party workers
2) General public
I pity class 1 more because they are pouring water for "vizhal".
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rajasaranam, Hmm...broadstroking theists on the basis of a sample set of 1 - thats broad-mindedness?
I do hope IR doesnt do Periyar - not because of the atheism thing - that atheism thing is only a part of Periar's ideology.But because I dont think we would get anything better than 'Kamaraj' - IR's formulaic approach is quite well known - in the sense not in the SARajkumar sense - same tune for all occasions - but in a different sense - IR does have a forumla for 1)Mallu movie sub-genres of movies - watch the similarity between Kastoori Maan and Kadalukku maraiyaadhai - both are sensitive malayalam-type movies and similarly, you can find sub-genres like this sub-genre of "Leader" movies. That said, who would do a better job? Surely, not VS?(Hey, we dont need a melody for this movie)
I hope to be pleasantly surprised if IR does do this movie and comes out with a different score.
Coming back to the atheism discussion and Periyar, I do agree with RS that Periyaar cannot be seen from a "GOD-hater" prism alone - he atleast lived with his principles, didnt aspire for power and though he initiated brahmin-baiting(a trait which IMO has been taken to its limits by DMK), I think it is quite natural for a section oppressed for centuries to feel bitter against the erstwhile oppressors - that doesnt justify it but atleast, I can understand. What I cannot understand though is the continued manic hate for Brahmins and attributing current manipulation of social engineering practices to them - RS, if you wake up, you will realise that the real threat to the oppressed people doesnt come from Brahmins but the political classes and families which promote their own interests at the expense of
1) Their party workers
2) General public
I pity class 1 more because they are pouring water for "vizhal".
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rajdes,
ok agreed I shouldn't have classified all theists alike nitya who is fanatical in opposing Athiesm. May be i should've classified her along the RSS gangs who are similar to her in thought process.
Regarding IR getting into a formulaic circle I agree aswel disagree. This can be said about other movies too no...Love subject, action movies, thrillers are take any other kind of movies he has worked. Just because Raja has worked on My dear kuttichathan and Anjali we can't ask him to stop working on TTLS. Though we know the music has same formulaic approach in these kind of movies we expect him to come up with a 'Swasathin Thalathil' among other formula songs.
And regarding historical personalities RAja jas worked only Kamaraj and Bharathi till now. Both were entirely different musically. That should've come up because one was a political leader and the other a poet. Same way Periyaar is not a mere political leader he was a social reformer and revolutionary. Hence we can expect some different kind of scores for this if scored by Raja. Well if it falls into the same formula cycle nothing is lost we would get some good songs and fantastic BGM.
Think about the life of periyaar > he was roaming around kaasi and rameshwaram like a sanyaas till 40's then he joins congress> quits it when seeing Dalits being Excluded from eating along brahmins in a congress run ashram/school> Vaikom>Kadavul Silaigal udaippu>Thravidar kazhagam>Nathigam>thamil mozhi poar> Kula kalvi ethirppu> aaruyir nanban Rajajiyai ethiriyathal> Rajaji maraivu> anna pirinthu poathal> Anaithu Saathiyinarum Archagaraaga court padi eruthal...and his death. The subject has got all the elements to become a chronicle of the history of a man better known as 'Thamizhar thanthai'. Think about the songs sequences or BGM's at these places... for instance think how Raja will transform the same theme music of friendship between Periyaar and Rajaji into their enmity in political front and when it returns back with more vigour at Rajaji's death. And if not for Raja who else can do it better?
but I think GRajashekaran wont be bold enough [as periyaar himself ] in bringing out all these political issues in the movie. he may just churn out a melodramatic superficial movie concentrating more on the personal life of Periyaar rather than his political life, which forms the basic identity of Periyaar
I Believe Raja should never stop scoring films forever for any reasons at all.
Raj again I would never wish to discuss political/social issues here as this is not perfect platform for doing it... if not for that post of nitya who spewed her haterd towards atheists.
dig[Regarding the anti-brahmin sentiment i do agree with you that it has been carried too far in tamilnadu's context [not in Indian context there is still work to be done for that] as the brahmin supremacy was well dealt with in the period of Periyaar itself. Its the DMK and its offshoots who used it to their utmost advantage. If periyaar was there today he would have thrashed up the neo-brahmin people like Devar's, Vanniyars, Naadars and Kounders who are more vehement in upholding casteist principles and opressing others more than brahmin's. ]end dig
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Some speculation about the forthcoming movie "Shiva":
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/23076.html
Thanks,
Krishnan
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Nitya wrote: |
sudhakarg
Quote: | Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!! |
I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism. |
I disagree. Working on a movie on Periayar does not equate to promoting atheism. Moreover, not all movies IR worked on were examples to be emulated by the youth/general population. Most of our movies are sexist (the way hero treats the heroine), vulgar (eg. nethu rathiri yamma) many are casteist, and a growing lot are glorifying/espousing violence.
To be honest, I should say, inspite of the negatives (violence on brahmins), Periyar DID contribute majorly to the social maturity/growth of the state.
DMK/ADMK and other parties have used Periyars' ideologies conveniently to their own personal gains and have precipitated the failure of the Dravidian movement. The return to casteism in the state is proof of this.
(Even Dir. Bala is overrated , chEran seems to be more positive-minded and healthy in his approach. I watched thavamai thavamirunthu and really appreciate it. Wish IR had done the music for this - some copycats have used ARRs music in this movie).
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Kalaignar's life history in movie format
Details in kumudam
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Cinema/2006-05-29/pg2.php
Six songs in the movie three are sung by Raja
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Rajasaranam
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You are in planet earth
you almost look like a female
you have more money than you need |
Rajasaranam, you are right on the first one. But FYI, I keep sideburns, a mustache and a goatee. Plus I have a flat chest. And what's this "you have more money than you need"?
Why then do you call atheists more broad-minded than theists?
Rajasaranam
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Raj again I would never wish to discuss political/social issues here as this is not perfect platform for doing it... if not for that post of nitya who spewed her haterd towards atheists. |
nitya is my screen-name. My real name is Nityananda, and I don't hate atheists. I'm simply concerned for their souls. I don't know the life story of Periyar, so pls. forgive what might look like fanaticism on my part.
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kiru
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sudhakarg
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Not sure if IR would accept composing music on a subject that calls for atheism!! |
I'd hope not!!! I wouldn't want to see such a great talent using his musical capabilities to promote atheism. |
I disagree. Working on a movie on Periayar does not equate to promoting atheism. Moreover, not all movies IR worked on were examples to be emulated by the youth/general population. Most of our movies are sexist (the way hero treats the heroine), vulgar (eg. nethu rathiri yamma) many are casteist, and a growing lot are glorifying/espousing violence.
To be honest, I should say, inspite of the negatives (violence on brahmins), Periyar DID contribute majorly to the social maturity/growth of the state.
DMK/ADMK and other parties have used Periyars' ideologies conveniently to their own personal gains and have precipitated the failure of the Dravidian movement. The return to casteism in the state is proof of this.
(Even Dir. Bala is overrated , chEran seems to be more positive-minded and healthy in his approach. I watched thavamai thavamirunthu and really appreciate it. Wish IR had done the music for this - some copycats have used ARRs music in this movie). |
When you say "Not all movies by IR were examples to be emulated by the youth and the general population," and that "most of our movies are sexist, vulgar, many are casteist and a growing lot are glorifying and espousing violence," I can say with conviction that you're right. I have seen enough Tamil films to know. Perhaps I should rephrase my first posting regarding Periyar. I meant to say that "I hope that the songs in that film do not reinforce atheism."
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Beginning itself this film is disappointing - IR is not scoring.
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RS, agree this is not the place for political discussions. And I dont browse other sites . So, I'll just sign-off saying this: "Bitterness about past doesnt solve anything - vision for future does. You need to forego the temptation to take revenge to ensure a better tomorrow"
Thats my belief and personal experience
I see a point in your hopes about the story inspiring IR but I pin down that as just that - hope rather than a realistic expectation
Nitya, ippo enna? If IR does a song on atheism, how does that matter? Surely, nobody is going to change their belief listening to such a song, howsoever good it might be? Rajasaranam didnt become a theist because of thiruvasagam
I dont understand this and similar claims about religion being threatened by a movie, song etc - recent example being da vinci code - surely a belief that has survived 2000 years (and much more in the case of hinduism) cannot be threatened by a mere movie or a book?
Take Tamilnadu for instance - for 50 years and more, anti-GOD thing has been going on - is there a reduction in the superstitions and religousity in general? No! What has happened is that we have got new Gods like Periyar, Anna, Kannagi....and IR/ARR .Basically, the Hindu cult of mind is engrained in our genes including non-Hindus - we Indians specialise in making personal Gods and personalize the whole experience of spiritualism - so even though a periar-worshipper(not a rational periyar follower, note - I am sure this category is a minority in TN) denigrates GODS(in general, probably only Hindu Gods in their case), I can only laugh at him because by worshipping their leaders, they have only absorbed the spirit of Hinduism in them . In my opinion, Hinduism is all about personalizing your spiritual experience - it doesnt matter how you reach it or which God you worship - it is about awakening your soul. In that sense, True Periar followers could be called True Hindus and vice-versa - it is the in-between gang mired in Caste, Hierarchy, class and nepotism that is neither here nor there.
Enough of my politics. Admin, please delete if anything is (unintendedly) offensive to anyone
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http://subwaycinema.com/frames/nyaff06_shiva.htm
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This thread is mainly for discussing IR albums. Not why he chose or didnt choose to work on an album. There could be 100s of other reasons (not just idealogical diff) for IR not working on the Periyar movie.
People from different religions come to this site. So let us not make this a Religious/Atheist thread, as we have many such threads in the internet for such silly fights.
Again, religion is very personal. So if Periyar Ramasamy didnt want to worhsiip God, so be it. But the irony is that these people (so called Atheists) are just ANTI-HINDU. Thats all. Sathyaraj, our great Kalaignar, because of Politics, criticize the Hindu practices and the Geetha while not uttering a word against Bible or Quran.
But that is politics. Let us not squabble on whose God is better or if GOD really exists ?
The bottomline is IR is not working on that Periyar movie - who knows the director might have thought that IR could be just over the hill as a music director (even though we dont believe that)
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Rajasaranam & Nityanand
shred egos & useless exchanges on Atheism / Theism & just focus on the subject. about IR .
What I could see here is PURE EXCHANGE OF EGO TAMPERING
for heaven sake, dont drag the caste tag here . Disgusting
we are in 21st century now
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I'm hooked onto to two songs from Madhu for the last 4 days
1) indha ulagil
2) kEtka villaya
Whoever thinks Raja's best days are over, please listen to these two songs. You would know that the journey has just begun!!
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Kiru,
I liked Thavamai Thavamirunthu as well.. ( except it seemed a little long ..maybe i have gotten spoilt in this fast food culture ) .. at many visuals i longed for IR's BGM.. the movie had terrible BGM masking many good dialogues that i had to replay to catch what the characters were saying . It seemed like Sun TV serial BGM with overpowering music.. No-one understands the power of silence in BGM as IR does..
Cheers
MSK
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Njv, I came to know about this premiere thing a few days back (missed to post it here...). Probably RGV is waiting for the completion of song picturisation (as he mentioned in an interview) and the overall packaging before announcing the release date.
Since there is no update after the release of the trailer (by IndiaFM), the media got curious about it! BTW, surprising is that only IndiaFM website has released the trailer of this movie or has it been shown in any other website? As far as I know the trailer has not been shown on TV (or has it been??).
thanks,
Krishnan
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The difference bet IR and other MDs is explained beautifully in this article in the latest outlook;
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Today, no other artiste personifies the popularity of film music as does Ilayaraja. He entered Tamil films in the mid-1970s, when there was stagnation in film music. Ilayaraja's creations came as a whiff of fresh air. The song that made him famous in his debut film Annakili (1976)-Annakili unnai theduthu (Annam is looking for you)-was authentic folk. In his 30 years in cinema, he has composed music for more than 1,000 films in Tamil and four other languages.
But what sets apart Ilayaraja is his grasp of the role of music in cinema. Very few music directors, with the possible exception of L. Vaidyanathan and Salil Chowdhry, have demonstrated an understanding of the medium of cinema and the role of a musical score in the narrative. Ilayaraja doesn't believe in creating film music as a mere aural experience, isolated from the images. For him, music is integral to the effect of the movie. It has to integrate with the narrative, not intrude upon it. It has to go with the images, has to be part of the viewing experience. |
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060626&fname=HCol+Baskaran&sid=1
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vem wrote: |
This thread is mainly for discussing IR albums. Not why he chose or didnt choose to work on an album. There could be 100s of other reasons (not just idealogical diff) for IR not working on the Periyar movie.
People from different religions come to this site. So let us not make this a Religious/Atheist thread, as we have many such threads in the internet for such silly fights.
Again, religion is very personal. So if Periyar Ramasamy didnt want to worhsiip God, so be it. But the irony is that these people (so called Atheists) are just ANTI-HINDU. Thats all. Sathyaraj, our great Kalaignar, because of Politics, criticize the Hindu practices and the Geetha while not uttering a word against Bible or Quran.
But that is politics. Let us not squabble on whose God is better or if GOD really exists ?
The bottomline is IR is not working on that Periyar movie - who knows the director might have thought that IR could be just over the hill as a music director (even though we dont believe that) |
Before preaching to RS, I think you should re-read your statements. You could have avoided a few statements which are so irrelevant to the topic!
ithu thaan pottu vangratha?
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Any update from anyone on the Aadum Koothu movie?
I guess music is by IR, but this link says the movie was already complete and sent for National Award committe..
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/shooting-spot/navya-17.html
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there is an interview from cheran in this weeks kumdam or AV. He confirms the completion of the movie which was stalled due to financial difficulties from the producers side. Navya nair, cheran, the director and cinematographer all roped in some money from their own pockets to complete the movie. He was praising navya's dedication towards that project and said she has done a very good job in the movie.
He also talks about 'maayakannadi' - Engu mozhikkum Vaarathaigalukkum sakthi illamal pogiratho angu Ilaiyaraajavin isai antha vetridatai nirappum
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Digression : Can anyone tell me who sang the song ' Senthamizh naadenum' in the movie Kamaraj?
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Is it not by Mano?
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I saw Madhu recently. Contrary to the reviews, the movie was decent to watch (good photography, but amateur direction). One strange thing was Indha ulagil song. There's a different version in the movie (I cant find the singer name). Please hear it from here and let me know.
There are very minor modifications in the singing.
http://www.filefactory.com/?f3202f
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rajasaranam wrote: |
...He also talks about 'maayakannadi' - Engu mozhikkum Vaarathaigalukkum sakthi illamal pogiratho angu Ilaiyaraajavin isai antha vetridatai nirappum |
Good. I thought this guy had no appreciation for music.
MSK, I watched the movie in two sessions. Surely, I missed IR in the movie, whether songs or BGM. The best music in the movie was, I think, from a pro Folk dance/drama troupe. Very aesthetic.
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IR's Hindi film directed by Balki, "Cheeni Kam" is nearing completion.
It doesn't look like one of those run-of-the mill formula Hindi films, which usually get hyped up by the prodcuers and also given 5 start ratings by Trade-Analysts masquerading as reviewers.
However I hope Balki has managed to inspire IR to give an excellent score, and more importantly, market the music well so it reached out to a larger audience. He owes a lot to IR, whose music he continues to use in almost all his successful jingles!
http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=12798
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This week's Kalki carries an interview with dir Bala about his "Naan kadavuL". He insists it must be read as "naan matrum KadavuL" and not "Iam God" . Arya is roped in to play the lead . He doesn't want to broach on Ajith quitting when it was done in a very amicable manner. When asked why IR again , Bala shoots back "do you think anybody other than IR can score for my film?" . But hasn't YSR done before?
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thumburu wrote: |
This week's Kalki carries an interview with dir Bala about his "Naan kadavuL". He insists it must be read as "naan matrum KadavuL" and not "Iam God" . Arya is roped in to play the lead . He doesn't want to broach on Ajith quitting when it was done in a very amicable manner. When asked why IR again , Bala shoots back "do you think anybody other than IR can score for my film?" . But hasn't YSR done before? |
That could be because IR wished YSR to score for that movie when Bala approached him. Same way IR gave the project of Kudaikkul mazhai to KR when RParthiban approached IR to compose for that
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Me watched Kris in PVR goldclass today.There was SHIVA trailer shown there and the trailer said 'Coming soon - This July'.BGM was quite impressive there
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rajasaranam wrote: |
thumburu wrote: | This week's Kalki carries an interview with dir Bala about his "Naan kadavuL". He insists it must be read as "naan matrum KadavuL" and not "Iam God" . Arya is roped in to play the lead . He doesn't want to broach on Ajith quitting when it was done in a very amicable manner. When asked why IR again , Bala shoots back "do you think anybody other than IR can score for my film?" . But hasn't YSR done before? |
That could be because IR wished YSR to score for that movie when Bala approached him. Same way IR gave the project of Kudaikkul mazhai to KR when RParthiban approached IR to compose for that |
Yes, IR was offered those movies first and he re-directed them to YSR and KR. Nantha was a good exercise for YSR at such a young age. KM's background music is very good too. IR is the one who gave tremendous support to Bala when he was struggling with his project Sethu. I don't think he will go after somebody else.
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Rajasaranam,
As far as i know - From Parthipan's interview for Kudaikkul Mazhai in SUn TV ( or Jaya ?) ,he was impressed with KR's re-recording in IVAN and the music for apadi parkathenna from IVAN .( melody is raajas and the rest is KR )
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MR, I think, the rerecording for IVAN is by IR himself. You can see IR's signature, especially in the scenes between Parthiban and Soundarya.
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http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/24062006-6.shtml
Mahendran's new movie with Arvindsamy.
Remains to be seen if IR is the MD......
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Vem, IR is not the MD for Sashanam. IR rejected this offer due to very low salary.
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Yeaps...Balabharathy is the Music Director for this film...Mahendra was a very music conscious director...his films had some of the best music by IR. Who can forget Uthiri Pookal...Mullum Malurum. You can see in that article of how he comments about IR's music in his film.
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That is very sad. Mahendran is one guy who really inspires IR (or extracts the best from IR).
Nenjathai killadhe songs - Very unique, evergreen melodies in TFM. Fantastic orchestration.
Then Johny - BGM while police chasing Rajini, amazing songs.....
Finally Senthazham poovil and Azhagiya kanne songs......
Well ! It could be a low budjet movie. But IR has already worked for low budget but meaningful movies such as Kutti and karuvellam pookkal.
It is a loss only for us
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I guess IR will be doing just the bgm part alone in the movie.
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12bums wrote: |
MR, I think, the rerecording for IVAN is by IR himself. You can see IR's signature, especially in the scenes between Parthiban and Soundarya. |
I saw IVAN yesterday and KR has been credited for BGM
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MR, the prelude of Apdi paarkuradhenna - is that by KR, if what you say is correct? To me, that was the best few seconds of the Ivan album?
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rajdes,
An EMphatic YES - I see KR stamp in this
YUp -Its one of my favourities too
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Ivan - IMO, except the "Mel topuille" [How absurd can the lyrics get!!!] song , all the other songs sound IRish. Earlier, I used to like the 2 classical SudhaRaghunathan songs and the semiolassical "appidi paakardhuna" . But recently "ulagame" and "dhool podu moLaga thoolu" songs have also caught my attention. Esp "Ulagame" is the most underrated of all. It has a nice wcm orch and is as rousing as "manidha manidha" . Those who have missed listening to this gem should give a try
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thumburu, Agreed, that song is a classic. There are some more similar songs that came out during that period.
1) Oh indha ezhai geetham - Devan
2) Annal Gandhi - Desiya Geetham
3) Udhan rajjiyathil - Aandan Adimai (really under-rated album)
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When Ramu, Vamsi and Raja met!
It happened when Ilayaraja was recording songs for Vamsis forthcoming film with hero Aryan Rajesh (soon to be launched). Raja and Vamsi were in a recording theatre in Mumbai and suddenly Varma dropped in.
Varma was almost like jumping with joy after listening to the songs. It reminded me of your old days Sitara and Anveshana time. Great music, it would rock the Andhra Pradesh, is what Ramu said to have conveyed his opinion about the music to them. He kept on talking about songs through out the day and raving about Vamsis storyline and its title. The hit combination of Vamsi and Ilayaraja is coming back with his film after gap of a decade.
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http://www.telugucinema.com/tc/vamsirajaramu_june2606.php
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I'm searching for "Madhu" CD in Chennai, and am unable lto find it in any of the shops. They all seem to have only the cassette version. From what I heard from the shops, the movie songs were a big hit, and all CDs are sold out!
BTW, any suggestions on where I can find good IR collection in Chennai?
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sudhakarg wrote: |
I'm searching for "Madhu" CD in Chennai, and am unable lto find it in any of the shops. They all seem to have only the cassette version. From what I heard from the shops, the movie songs were a big hit, and all CDs are sold out!
BTW, any suggestions on where I can find good IR collection in Chennai? |
I dont know where you enquired but ASAIK the songs were not that great a hit Did you try MusicWorld/PlanetM/Landmark in Spencer's plaza
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http://dinamalar.com/2006june28/kalki.asp#3
another young MD (composed songs for latest movie of K Bhagyaraj) admires Raja...
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Teja
Thanks for the link
I for one will not be so excited unless I listen to the songs myslef. This Ramgopal guy I doubt has much music sense. He was just lucky in Siva(IR), Rangeela (ARR) and Kshanam Kshanam (Keeravani _ Margathamani).
Anyways, I wish I am wrong
Bala
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Thanks Rajasaranam. I too could'nt believe "Sold out". I tried Landmark and Odyssey
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sudhakar,
Odysee are dumbest around They dont get the supply of newly released albums even after a week and they procure very less nos. of CDs obviously they should've sold out
I think I saw the CD's of madhu at music world/spencers when i went to buy vallavan and KD around 15 days back.
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Article about IR in Kumudam magazine under Maanbumigu Manithargal section
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-06-28/pg15.php
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balaji, I agree with you on Varma. Varma looks upon Music just as a functional unit to be present. Case in point - Sarkar. He has a host of Telugu movies which betray his lack of interest in songs(which is fine,IMO) or BGM(which is not!). The very appreciation( I think you are back to Anweshana, Sitaara time form) is a back-handed compliment in many ways
1. That(Sitaara) type of music is not what becomes hit these days
2. Surely, Raja's style is far different from his sitaara days - we have countless examples in both Tamil and Telugu from his recent output for this. So I guess this was just Ram Gopal Varma's(read the usual filmy) uninformed way of appreciating Raja: When you want to appreciate a old-timer, just say your recent output is like XYZ, where XYZ is a previous hit of old-timer.
It might really turn out to be good but I wouldnt give a damn to Varma's pronouncements on music(he should rank behind even Yash Chopras and Karan Johars on music sense) - I would rather wait to hear the goods and then decide.
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Watched Karthik Raja's interview in indiaglitz.com. He explained about the greatness of IR's symphony. It looks like it is out of the world !!! Unfortunately it was never released.
To a question whether IR provides him valuable advice now and then, KR impudently replied that he wanted to learn all his mistakes of his own and not from IR. He infact wanted IR to desist from giving any tips
When asked about his favorite songs, he didnt mention even one IR song in his list. I dont know if they are on good terms with each other.
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vem wrote: |
Watched Karthik Raja's interview in indiaglitz.com. He explained about the greatness of IR's symphony. It looks like it is out of the world !!! Unfortunately it was never released.
To a question whether IR provides him valuable advice now and then, KR impudently replied that he wanted to learn all his mistakes of his own and not from IR. He infact wanted IR to desist from giving any tips
When asked about his favorite songs, he didnt mention even one IR song in his list. I dont know if they are on good terms with each other. |
KR is a lazy AH and IR kicked him out of his house (all because of horoscope, but its working well for KR). Look at the way he answered, he said he dont know the composers and all but he just started telling hte songs he like. On top of that he said, he love to do hindi songs because hindi songs seems to add value to his music (and he also acknowledge two things, 1, he doesnt know hindi, 2, lyrics doesnt matter for good songs). He even said that he doesnt want to be an MD. He just wanted to listen to good music and enjoy. Hmm... Get some ipod and retire man.
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rajdes wrote: |
balaji, I agree with you on Varma. Varma looks upon Music just as a functional unit to be present. Case in point - Sarkar. He has a host of Telugu movies which betray his lack of interest in songs(which is fine,IMO) or BGM(which is not!). The very appreciation( I think you are back to Anweshana, Sitaara time form) is a back-handed compliment in many ways
1. That(Sitaara) type of music is not what becomes hit these days
2. Surely, Raja's style is far different from his sitaara days - we have countless examples in both Tamil and Telugu from his recent output for this. So I guess this was just Ram Gopal Varma's(read the usual filmy) uninformed way of appreciating Raja: When you want to appreciate a old-timer, just say your recent output is like XYZ, where XYZ is a previous hit of old-timer.
It might really turn out to be good but I wouldnt give a damn to Varma's pronouncements on music(he should rank behind even Yash Chopras and Karan Johars on music sense) - I would rather wait to hear the goods and then decide. |
This untitled movie has 6 songs, SPB, Hariharan, Sonu Nigham, Shreya Goshal, Sadhana Sargam and IR rendered teh voices. It seems Sonu-IR song seems to be the best of all. Apart from this, IR also scored music for one more mythological movie, has 11 or 12 songs, all semi-classical type it seems. For RGV Shiva also IR did 2 songs.
Another insider info - ir will be coming to Boston for some "academic" visit around july!
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Welcome njv, the new PA for IR
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Another insider info - ir will be coming to Boston for some "academic" visit around july![/quote]
Oh really?? i live in Boston, that's great to know...pls post more updates when you hear abt it njv..thx
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Another insider info - ir will be coming to Boston for some "academic" visit around july![/quote]
Oh really?? i live in Boston, that's great to know...pls post more updates when you hear abt it njv..thx
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Another insider info - ir will be coming to Boston for some "academic" visit around july![/quote]
Oh really?? i live in Boston, that's great to know...pls post more updates when you hear abt it njv..thx
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Another insider info - ir will be coming to Boston for some "academic" visit around july![/quote]
Oh really?? i live in Boston, that's great to know...pls post more updates when you hear abt it njv..thx
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buggle
I know you stressed your point well enough. if i know the exact dates and where etc, I will post it here.
New PA - I am not that lucky enough. just get these news from IR fanatics.
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Hi njv- long time no see - can you give updates on IR's Boston visit - wud like to meet him
btw, what is this visit about ?
Thanks
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tmrrmt
I was in India for last 2 months (and the reason I didnt post anything!) and just back last week. Purpose of IR visit from what I know is to learn/understand the curriculum that they use in music academy/schools here for his soon to be started music academy. Another talk is that he is meeting few folks for another Symphony (this time seems to be pure western and just instrumentals than vocal), but former seems more realistic than later.
If I know more, I will let you know.
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Digression:
KR has always looked down at other composers. I recall him once quoting in an interview "These days, even people who don't know ABCD are composing". This was around the time he entered. KR and Bhavatharini at first stated that they don't listen to ARR's music at all at home, while Yuvan from the beginning, said he loves Kadhal Rojave.
KR has said in past interviews also that he prefers to comppose in Hindi, since it is musically rich language and would do more justice to his songs. So I am wondering why he says that language doesn't matter for good songs! I mean, what song has outlasted to date that didn't have good lyrics. Actually, all 3 IR children seem to have an inferiority about Tamil. Their Tamil sucks(Dear IR preaches to the public about young children forgetting language and ways:-). On my part, I find it hugely entertaining...
KR seems to have an inferiority complex which he attacks in interviews with defensive tone. He never praises others, unless they are related to him or is a northerner. He quoted during Ullasam time that 'He considered Ullasam as his first film, because the producer of Manickam did not release the film with the appropriate publicity/grand personas(Kalaignar) coming to the function. To my knowledge, the film was produced by his father's old friend.
On the positive side:
Musical knowledge-wise, KR beats both YSR and BTharani. It has surprised me greatly that he fell back in the field while his brother slowly emerged to become very popular(although, I admit that YSR's music is liked principally by youngsters). KR's lack of success in the 11 years that he has been in the field surprises me, especially with the background and camp that is always there for him.
KR always sticks up for his Dad, to the extent of fibbing and being funny:-) This was mostly in the early days, but to be truthful, he hasn't been in the public eye(media) too much in the last 5 years.
KR's favourite song of his father's is from "Aaril irunthu Iruvathu Varai". The song goes like this "Kannmaniye kaathal enbathu karpanaiyo kaviyamo". He gets a vote just for picking this song. IR made a beautiful tune in this song. When I remember the tune, the lyrics flow in my head...beautiful song.
Well that's about it. Best wishes to KR.
P.S. I don't really understand kicking your children out of the house for horoscope purposes:-) I pray and hope IR is not that far off. It would be more believable if he thought some independence will help KR be on his own feet.
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http://kanapraba.blogspot.com/2006/07/blog-post_115188773395994139.html
80 களில் தமிழ் சினிமா உலகில் இசைச்சக்கரவர்த்தியாக இருந்த இளையராஜா இப்போது கேரளாவின் சக்கரவர்த்தியாகி விட்டார் போலும். மனுஷர் பின்னணி இசையிலும் சரி பாடல்களிலும் சரி பின்னியெடுத்துவிட்டார். இந்தப்படத்துக்கு இளையராஜாவின் இசை இல்லை என்றால் என்ற கற்பனை வந்து பயம்கொள்ள வைக்குமளவிற்கு அவரின் ஈடுபாடு தெரிகிறது. பொன்னாவணிப் பாடம், பூ குங்குமப் பூ, ஆத்தங்கரையோரம், என்று எதையும் ஒதுக்கிவிட முடியாத அருமையான பாடல்கள். இன்னும் மலையாளப் பாடல் தேர்வில் முதல் 10 பாடல்களில் முதலாவாதாகவே பொன்னாவணிப் பாடம் பாடல் இருக்கிறது.
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On the other hand I saw Naalai and KR BGM is stunning. Most of the time you can feel IR in BGM. With our KR's BGM the movie would have been very normal (yet another don movie like Don Sera), but KR BGM elevated the movie to another height.
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Karthi Raja's BGM always had shades of his father and some soulful music in them. All his movies even the dull three roses had some good background scores. It is a pity he is not really noticed if not tfm would not have to suffer from the copied bgms of srikanth..dheena. and co..
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Three Roses BGM was not done by KR
His best BGM pieces were in Geethai ( songs by YSR) -Esp the scene where vijay enters the villain's house .
and in siraichalai (partly done )
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Digression.
Another ludicrous part of his (KR's) interview was his complaint regarding dearth of male singers in Tamil
Asked about old singers, he somehow gave an impression as if he wanted them to stop singing ))
A very contradictory and contraversial person I suppose.
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IR-Vamsy's film launched...
http://www.telugucinema.com/tc/news/vamsijuly0406.php
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I wonder if Unnimenon, Unnikrishnan, Mano, Hariharan, etc lack singing fundamentals of KR:-) I think there are enough singers in the playback scenario. As it is, I personally can't even name most of the female singers now.
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....Musical knowledge-wise, KR beats both YSR and BTharani. It has surprised me greatly that he fell back in the field while his brother slowly emerged to become very popular(although, I admit that YSR's music is liked principally by youngsters). KR's lack of success in the 11 years that he has been in the field surprises me, especially with the background and camp that is always there for him.
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I have the same opinion here. His tunes sound like that of a much more mature MD ..very good flow and continuity (I fault even ARR in this sometimes) with all the nuances of a good indian melody (eg. YSR lacks in this). So why is he not successful. Here are my theories -
1. He focusses so much on the tune/melody, that he is falling behind on the harmony/chords. I have seen many songs with an instrument totally following the main tune or he doubles the voice. Maybe somebody more knowledgeable can critique this aspect and throw some light.
2. Inability to create fun songs for the youth. This is very important to be a popular MD. Even IR did many popular songs which dont fare that great on the technical complexity.
3. KR probably tries to overreach himself, in getting a whole composition that is on the same level as IR. This probably is reducing his speed and flow. Both ARR and YSR start out with a simple framework/tempo and build out the layers (in ARR's case to a very high standard,).
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<Digression>
I recently bought a bumper CD in Chennai with the movies "kizhakkE pOgum rayil", "niram maaradha pookkaL", "nizhalgaL" and "kallukkuL eeram"... I was surprised that most songs were by GA!! And one of the songs was written by "Sirpy". Does anyone know if this is the same "Sirpy" the MD??
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Can anybody tell the list of IR's upcoming projects
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Sanjeevi wrote: |
Wov Federer in the first set |
Yov Sanjeevi
Enna aachupa unakku ? this is not a sports thread
Namma Isainyani threaduppa
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Vem,
Thanks for the link on " KR's interview. I browsed around to see few more interviews also.
On the contraty to ur impression, I found his interview more interesting of all his interviews.
He was pretty much very straight forward,
About singers, I thought he mentioned more about limited range among male singers, than dearth of male singers, personally i think many will agree, the versatality like SPB is not evident among any male singers , although most of them are good on their own, Thipu probably may be the one who may come close.
About fav. songs, it is likely that he chose or asked to chose from non IR compositions
About using old or senior singers, I think he gave very reasonable answer, he just didn't want to use those who have achieved a lot already so he and others ( new singers) can try to achieve just like the senior singers
About dad's advice, I think that was the best confident answer one can expect from a guy born to a genious , he never sounded or even hinted that his dad's advice was unnecessary or bad, it was really a more mature way that he simply answered, he would rather learn from his own mistakes than other's advice.
About praising other MD's, once again he clearly answered in a very matured way with no traces of any ego ( an altered "gene" from IR perhaps), he mentioned about dedication of ARR on every song or project he is involved with, just like how also praised YSR's workholism, dedication. He added another statement saying that's why their songs are liked by people a lot.
About Cassette/CD sales,
again very opt answer, he even mentions about Itunes and the way music business should benefit everyone not just one or two individuals, very true which is why piracy plagues.
And my impression about KR's recent 2 albums, absolutely fabulous, it's just sad he hasn't gotten the due recognition, about BGM as ramki mentioned, P geethai, ullasam, DDD, Kudaikkul Mazhai and recently the dud Mercury pookkal ( some astonishing BGM) have great scores to educate the entire current crop of MDs .
Sila kuraigal....
I think he is just plain simple Lazy or not very market savvy , but I see him liked by a select set of people , like the " Mac" lovers
I hope he turns around to bounce back like how Steve Jobs did with "IPOD"
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Sudhakarg:
Sirpi wrote the song "Malagale Nadhaswarnagal" in Kizhakka pogum Rail. He is a poet and he wrote several kaidhai thogoppu. His full name is Sirpi Balasubramaiam. He is a Tamil professor in Pollachi college.
Thanks.
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Just one correction ..Mercury PokkaL BGM was done by Balabharathy ..
I forgot to emntion KudaikkuL Mazhai - Amazing !!!!
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Nakeeran wrote: |
Sanjeevi wrote: | Wov Federer in the first set |
Yov Sanjeevi
Enna aachupa unakku ? this is not a sports thread
Namma Isainyani threaduppa |
Naan edit panni thappai sari panrathukulla quote pannitteya?
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THE BEST OF ILAYARAJA AND A.R.RAHMAN
I am planning a special 2 hour radio programme on the BEST of IR and ARR in Tamizh and Hindi Films. The show (if all goes well) will be aired on 23rd July 2006 on :
www.citr.ca
8-10 pm PDT.
I could use all the help and input you can provide. Please drop me a line at naaz99@yahoo.com and I will be glad to tell you my requirements. Hope you can make this programme a success...I will check for your email messages all of this and next week. Thanks in advance.
Naaz
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Naaz
Good luck!
Not sure how you can accomplish this in 2 Hrs? Adhavuthu close to 20 songs + talk!
This means my guess would be, close to 14 IR songs and 6 ARR songs (to be fair to both).
Saadhiyama?
Bala
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Naaz
Mannithu Vidungal, Since Hindi SOngs as well, I believe this propotion be agreeable?
11 IR Tamil Song
Yeh Zindagi - From Sadma
4 - ARR Tamil Song
4 - ARR Hindi Song
Bala
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balaji -
Thank you for the suggestions. I like the second ratio a lot more. My intention is to give both composers equal time and to keep the commentary basic and minimal. The music should speak volumes.
The current concept, before I change my mind, is this:
Hindi or Tamizh: Light Classical, Jazz-Ethnic Fusion, Folk, Contemporary Bollywood/Kollywood, Experimental/Mood.
My penchant is for solos, but I will happily embrace representative duets should they be stellar. The programme will NOT strive to be definitive in any sense (that would be foolishly ambitious) but rather would try to showcase the diversity of the MDs. The (local) audience for the show (demographics/statistically) is the Northern/Hindi/Punjabi community. However, as the show is webcast simultaneously, I hope to reach a wider audience, including the Tamil diaspora. Request: Spread the Word!!
Since the announcement this morning, I've had a great response from IR rasigars. I've also been helped with choice song files in my mailbox!
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What can I say? We've got good taste!
I will keep your recommendations in mind, and will do my best to lift the proceedings a few clouds above sombre. Too much classical might be a bit stiff for the locals, but that doesn't mean that the show will be all jatka-matka. Let me assure you that the compilation will be divine without being monotonously pious!
Does anybody know where I might find (downloadable) songs from IRs Insaaf?
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Naaz,
AFAIK Insaaf is not by IR
These are the few direct films IR did in hindi >>>
Sadma, Kaamagni, Mahadev, Aur EK Prem Kahani, Lajja, Divorce
and these are multi lingual >>>
HeyRam, Shiva and MX
Google Reveals that Insaaf a movie of 1997 has music by Anand Milind and Insaaf of 2003 has music by NikilVinay
IMDB Data's give around 6 movies titled Insaaf right from the 40's till the one released in 1987- a vinodh Kanna Starrer Music by Laxmikant Pyarelaal OR Is it that you are confusing with 'Mahadev' which is also a Vinodh Kanna starrer
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A. Balakrishnan (dir of Kamaraj) has announced his next film based on GK Moopanar's life history (source: Tamilcinema.com). Is IR doing it?
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rajasaranam -
I remember seeing Insaaf and Mahadev around the same time (they were released one after the other?) and that is why I kept thinking Insaaf is by IR. Mahadev is the film I had in mind all along!!
Blame it on Vinod Khanna, and on my memory which is more of a sieve these days!Thanks to you, I will never confuse these two films again! I am glad for the correction!
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crvenky wrote: |
A. Balakrishnan (dir of Kamaraj) has announced his next film based on GK Moopanar's life history (source: Tamilcinema.com). Is IR doing it? |
No, IR should not accept this
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Sanjeevi wrote: |
crvenky wrote: | A. Balakrishnan (dir of Kamaraj) has announced his next film based on GK Moopanar's life history (source: Tamilcinema.com). Is IR doing it? |
No, IR should not accept this |
I heard he has already Accepted It
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rajasaranam wrote: |
Sanjeevi wrote: | crvenky wrote: | A. Balakrishnan (dir of Kamaraj) has announced his next film based on GK Moopanar's life history (source: Tamilcinema.com). Is IR doing it? |
No, IR should not accept this |
I heard he has already Accepted It |
It is enough to scroe BGM only.
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can some one give me the links where can i download the mp3 version of [b]How to name it[/b] and [b]Nothing but wind of IR[/b]?
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Naaz
"Mahadev" is a half-baked attempt. Anuradha Podhwal crooning for the hindi version of 'Andha Nilava naan' was un-shaikable. The Suresh-Wadkar/AB duet 'Rim Jim' was the sole saving grave in otherwise tamil-tunes recycled version.
There was one more SPB-SJ duet that was fast but less impressive.
Vinod Kanna was so mad during the song-recordings, it was told he wanted to replace the MD. How far this is true I am not sure. Romu Sippy who was impressed with IR-s work on Sadma (they produced the Hindi version ) stuck to his guns. I am sure he must have cursed himself for his decision.
IR in the first place should not have accepted the movie which I am sure was to cash the success of VK in his second run. Mahadev, the movie and the songs were a big flop.
Insaaf on the other hand was a huge hit those days.
My request: Please do not include this film's songs. Yeh Zindagi was/is great!
Bala
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I thought the hindi version of `kaNNE kalai mAnE' was more tolerable than the hindi version of `poongAtRu'...The later lost its original spirit IMHO...(and on top of it, IR had the fun of importing that song in thambikku endha ooru)...
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http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/top%20stories/1839/
"Bollywood has no use for me " ---- IR
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http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/top%20stories/1839/
"Bollywood has no use for me " ---- IR |
Right. With the exception of AR Rahman, I don't know if any South Indian MD has enjoyed the same respect in the North. I always find reviewers decrying any work by South Indian composers (any worthwhile composers anyway, NOT including YSR, Srikanth Deva or any of the likes) as too Southern. Methinks Southies are much more likely to respect North Indian music than Northies South Indian.
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Nitya,
It is not that North Indians didnt have good MDs. When IR was at his peak, we South Indians didnt bother to listen to MDs such as MSV, SG etc (even though the question remains if they are as talented as IR - sorry to include MSV's name here. he was over the hill already in the late 70s except for a few great hits)
Unfortuantely for IR, that was not the case in Bollywood.
It had its favorite son RD (who was just prolific in giving amazing hits). It also had Rajesh Roshan, Kalyanji-Anandji, Laxmi-Pyare etc etc.
Now, the Hindi Film music doesnt have the same class as these MDs. So, they dont have a choice but to listen to ARR. And IR also no longer produces the same quality of songs as he used to in the 80s.
But things could change with the RGV film, and Balakrishnan movie
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[quote="Nitya"]
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http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/top%20stories/1839/
"Bollywood has no use for me " ---- IR |
Can somebody paste the contents of article?im unable to access that website.
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njv, what happened to RGV's shiva? when is getting releaseed or at least the songs? it was said somewhere in may30 it's getting released?
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musicindiaonline article
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Ilaiyaraaja is one composer and writer who stands out for his musical articulacy and is a genius in his realm. He has moved one and all with his compositions that make people speechless. And it is modesty in his comprehensive nature in spite of his achievement that touches your heart. He is one of the foremost composers who have so far scored music for about 840 films comprising South and Hindi film industry. His other achievements include composing music for Meenakshi Sthothram in Sanskrit, carnatic keertanas and varnams titled Raja Lahari, albums like How to name it, Nothing But Wind and the musical score for Miss World 1996 pageant. He was also the first Asian to compose Symphony No. 1 with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra of London. He has been the recipient of many national and international awards. He has contributed towards steering film music into a new direction, infusing technology while keeping the melody alive, drawing inspiration from folk, jazz, carnatic, rock and western classical.
After long he forwards his step towards Bollywood once again with the music of producer Sunil Manchandas film. The film is being directed by R Balakrishnan and Ilaiyaraaja was the unanimous choice in his mind for the music of his film. On asked why he doesnt compose more frequently here, he says Bollywood has no use for me.
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gopiharan, I did saw a song as a promo in one of the channel. Sounded nice and the label i guess is TSeries.
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verm, have to disagree. In fact, 80's was the leanest period of Hindi Film Music. You can see the effect even now - most compilations released by HMV and like, say Best oF Asha Bhonsle, Best of RDBurman etc are likely to contain a very low % of 80's songs. And it is not just these 2 artistes. 80'- early 90's were the lowest phase of HFM. L-P were doing monotonous beats(especially) and recycled tunes. RDB had faded out. Two-bit Ghazals(anything went here including the intolerable Jagjit singh), and ofcourse, Bappida's disco meejic were the in-things. Refershing music like QSQT et al were sporadic. Things only started to change with the arrival of ARR, Vishal Bharadwaj(grossly underused by Bollywood, unsurprisingly), S-E-L etc. Also, the Jatin Lalit type music, though not a patch on IR-ARR, were popular and musicals were made on their baton (to an extent, they did manage good stuff initially). ARR became a big-name amid all this.
ARR had to deal with the popularity of Kumar Sany, Nadeem-Shravan et al. Sacriligeous as it sounds, these guys were quite popular - however nauseating their music was(in Sany's case, nose-ating). So much so that I had a terrible argument with a Sanu-fan here in TFMPAGE - he wouldnt let go until I said "Sanu's voice was the greatest thing created since Eve" . Those guys were straight dismissive of ARR(imagine - Kumar Sanu fans bad-mouthing IR, ARR etc - does it get lower than that?).
That said, it doesnt take an iota of greatness away from IR that he couldnt succeed in Bollywood. Anyone who thinks so is a fool.
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It is not true IR couldn't succeed in Bollywood. In other word we may say he did not try much or did not want Bollywood victory.
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app_engine wrote: |
I thought the hindi version of `kaNNE kalai mAnE' was more tolerable than the hindi version of `poongAtRu'...The later lost its original spirit IMHO...(and on top of it, IR had the fun of importing that song in thambikku endha ooru)... |
Yeh Zindagi Come On AE enna ithu sirupullaithanama irukku that was a great Composition which gets aired in hindi channels even now without many of them knowing its by IR. Ismail Durbar Asserted in a show that This song was best ever composition in HFM
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MumbaiRamki wrote: |
Can somebody paste the contents of article?im unable to access that website. |
MIO wrote: |
Ilaiyaraaja is one composer and writer who stands out for his musical articulacy and is a genius in his realm. He has moved one and all with his compositions that make people speechless. And it is modesty in his comprehensive nature in spite of his achievement that touches your heart. He is one of the foremost composers who have so far scored music for about 840 films comprising South and Hindi film industry. His other achievements include composing music for Meenakshi Sthothram in Sanskrit, carnatic keertanas and varnams titled Raja Lahari, albums like How to name it, Nothing But Wind and the musical score for Miss World 1996 pageant. He was also the first Asian to compose Symphony No. 1 with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra of London. He has been the recipient of many national and international awards. He has contributed towards steering film music into a new direction, infusing technology while keeping the melody alive, drawing inspiration from folk, jazz, carnatic, rock and western classical.
After long he forwards his step towards Bollywood once again with the music of producer Sunil Manchandas film. The film is being directed by R Balakrishnan and Ilaiyaraaja was the unanimous choice in his mind for the music of his film. On asked why he doesnt compose more frequently here, he says Bollywood has no use for me. |
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Sanjeevi, that's a debate for another day. But can we say ARR has been unequivocably succesful in HFM, which IR, for whatever reasons, wasn't?
I think we cannot be in denial. I argue that this takes nothing away from IR as a musician - simply saying that he wasnt a commercially viable MD ever in Hindi is not a slur. Just another quirky fact. Take an analogy - MSV had some outstanding Telugu albums but he was never the colossal phenomenon that Raja was in Telugu. Infact, KVM was more commercially succesful in Telugu than MSV.Does that take anything away from MSV? Just to counter that, should I say MSV never tried to be big in telugu?
Salil Chowdhury was never a commercial giant in *any* language. Would you deny his position in the Top 5 composers ever of IFM? These things just happen and there is no need to be ashamed of these quirky facts, IMO.
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North is north. South is south. The twain shall never meet. So it seems to me. Most NI Fans I know swear by "Ae Zindagi" and mock at the lack of tune in "Poongatru". Vice-versa. Well, atleast this proves Sanjeevi's assertion in part. Namely that IR had it in him to understand and deliver customised solutions for NI audience as he proved here by astutely changing the tune for Poongatru situation. Wonder how this happened? I'd like to believe that it is IR's genius that he recognised the potential of "Kanne Kalaimaane" to succeed as it is and the need to change "Poongatru".
Bah! I should have been a lawyer - I can argue for any side
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rs, ennavO pOnga, `hindhi channels', '`Ismail Durbar' mAdhiri PERIYA MANUSHANGA munnAl, nAn uNmaiyil `siru piLLai' dhanungO...
While `moondRam piRai' the movie and songs are so dear to me personally, unga considerations padi pArthAlum, it's a fact that `moondRam piRai' was a commercially and critically acclaimed success while sadhma sunk without a trace...
It's very difficult for me to accept an inferior song in place of the great `poongAtRu pudhidhAnadhu', which IMHO was so futuristic. I think Raja used natural wind instrument layers over modern innovative sounds in that song while yeh zindagi had all cheap keyboard sounds.
The only disadvantage for `poongAtRu' is probably the mono recording. I still cannot understand why Raja didn't have stereophonic recording for `poongAtRu' and `vAnengum' while he got `kaNNE kalaimAnE' and `ponmEni'in stereo:-( I think during that period he was very busy and didn't care much about such aspects...One can see him flip-flopping between mono and stereo, and in some cases even within the same album like this one...
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http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/07/14/stories/2006071400710100.htm
A modest effort finely rewarded (rasa thandhram is a blackbuster)...
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I am not sure of any of Raaja' hindi songs, except for Chaahungi Tumko & Pyaar Vyaar Super Hit Hai in Chhaila(which I find are the most Hindi and most modern of all Hindi songs), unbelievable but hear it closely and that fantastic Holi song in Mahaadev.
All other songs of IR sound contrived in Hindi, including the biggest hit of IR, a Ravindra Jain like Pallavi called Yeh Zindagi - everything in this song is pure fooling the public.
I used to think that IR was not good enough for Hindi, but I began to understand that IR did not care to stand out there. The most critical audience is Kerala and there you cannot pass of a Hindi tune or even a Tamil tune and call it successfull.
Raaja stood out with solid compositions in Malayalam, so it is nothing to to with Raaja not being good in the lighter but definitely melody oriented Hindi idiom.Karthik Raaja was more comfortable and gave more mature tunes in the idiom and that was seen in Grahan.
IR' strength is in making the ordinary tune extraordinary without any effort (Poonkatru Pudhiranuthu or Ponmeni Uruguthey.) Any other composer will not dare or even lower to the strategy of spitting out ordinary tunes, but only IR can do that, becuase most of his creativity lies in the melody for the orchestration.
Re, Ismail Durbar and Yeh Zindagi? I had also read one super article just about this song in one of the Bombay film mags!!! But, in my opinion this song sounded more at home in Tamil, I don't know why (maybe not much focus of melodiousness), though the idiom is Hindi
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app_engine,
I guess, moondram pirai stands a testimony to IR's amazing honesty to the script. Listen how each song fits to the script. Vaanengum thanga vinmeengal, Kanne kalaimaane, poongatru and even the nari song were outstanding. Forget the re-recording for the whole film. I think, the tunes were made to be simpler and the orchestration complex, just to create the apt mood. However, am not sure of the fact about Vaanengum thanga vinmeengal, that was a bolt from heaven. Outstanding delivery by both SPB and IR. Special mention has to go to S.J for crooning Ponmeni, with out her the song would have gone to gutter.
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Guys..am I confused..yEh zindagi is 'en vaazhvilE varum anbE vaa, kannE vaa nilaa mugam kandEn vaa'. right ? Not poongaRRu ... This one is made for guitar, very western so don't look for the 'tune' (as in Indian music). It is surely a good tune in a different paradigm.
Also, I dont know what you mean by the hindi songs are contrived. I thought all IR's hindi songs were really well done in terms of production/engineering and sound like a 'well-finished' product whereas many IR tamil films songs were (and sadly sometimes still are) seem to be done in a rush.If you ask me, IR overestimated the taste of Hindi audience with really classy output.
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Guys, If you are not sure if IR would not have succeded in Hindi movies just listen to Hey Ram , the songs actually sound better in Hindi than in Tamil. That was outstanding output which actually clicked in North as well( songs i mean not the movie). So IR was extremly capable of succeding in Hindi as well. but the fact was at his peak he was too busy in South and would never have been able to devote time for Hindi. This is unlike ARR who chooses his assignments regardless of language and is able to focus equally on all his assignment. I think this was the main reason for IR not succeeding in Hindi.
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Kiru, yes you're right - `en vAzhvilEy' of Thambikku endha ooru is Raja's recycle of `yEh zindagi' of Sadma.
What I wrote was about my complaints of `yEh zingagi' not a worthy replacement of `poongAtRu'. Remember, Sadma is the Hindi flop adaptation of the successful Tamil moondRAm piRai. Raja changed the tune and parts of orchestration for this `ooty-kamal-sridevi-jolly' song. To me `poongAtRu' is very original, fresh and charming and sugar standard. `yEh zindagi' iluppaippoo...
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rprasad wrote: |
...This is unlike ARR who chooses his assignments regardless of language and is able to focus equally on all his assignment. I think this was the main reason for IR not succeeding in Hindi. |
Could be one of the reasons. I feel ARR's rhythms being non-Indian, it may not have the 'south-Indian' tinge IR's tunes have. Also, the 'carnatic'/south-indian flavor might be still stuck in IR's tunes being a hard-core 'son-of-the-soil' natural composer he is. He may not like to 'change' colors. The north-indian audience might be sensitive to this.
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app_engine wrote: |
Kiru, yes you're right - `en vAzhvilEy' of Thambikku endha ooru is Raja's recycle of `yEh zindagi' of Sadma.
What I wrote was about my complaints of `yEh zingagi' not a worthy replacement of `poongAtRu'. .... |
app_engine, Agreed, poongARRu is in a different league.
(BTW, I am listening to IR's italy concert with Uttam Singh. And Singhji having been with IR for quite sometime (10yrs ?) even his tunes have south indian flavor. Check out his few hindi compositions)
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I saw a new trailer of SHIVA on the television channels with different back ground music. Unfortunately could not hear the sound well. So, no comments.
I also happened to watch a song from the movie. "Botony class undu" has been rehashed with different orchestration (tune is same). I dont think this is the song that was picturised in Bangkok as this song takes place in a coffee shop/hotel.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Article about IR, it says IR busy in Hindi and Telugu
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/illaiyaraja_1.html
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When the movie "SHIVA" is getting released?
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Altruist Varma said it will be screened in July in some international festival, most probably a preview. The movie is pending for a late july or early august release. Probably before September is what we can confirm.
I dunt think the songs will be looked into too much..from what i see the BGM is what IR will be working on and knowing North Indians...they dunt really bother abt BGM..
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Promos of SHIVA are already been shown in different channels (MTV, Channel V, Sahara ONE, etc). As per the promos the movie will be released on Aug 18th.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Yeaps...i think we should be looking forward to cheeni Kum more....Shiva will not into songs alot...the BGM is the only thing we can look out for...is the promo placed in any websites.?
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IR prefers "Cheeni Kum":
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/23814.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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"Maybe the people here are scared of approaching me"
Bayam irukaatha pinna..if IR shows his talent in bollywood consistently he will get noticed by hollywood and internationally as well and even more critically acclaimed than ARR due to his knowledge, speed of output and quality in various genres. Even ARR getting noticed does not seem to be favoured well by all north indians...if it is IR whom they ignore always it will be like telling south indians have more quality than north indians..
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Rajavukku eppO kObam varum?
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-07-19/pg9.php
This says KR is still in `koottu kudumbam'...
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if the movie is going to come out next month, when is the music going to get released ? after the movie release
i dont know if the movie has any songs in it ?
regardless, he has to atleast release the background music ?
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Hulkster wrote: |
"Maybe the people here are scared of approaching me"
Bayam irukaatha pinna..if IR shows his talent in bollywood consistently he will get noticed by hollywood and internationally as well and even more critically acclaimed than ARR due to his knowledge, speed of output and quality in various genres. Even ARR getting noticed does not seem to be favoured well by all north indians... |
hulk, y shhuld Northies prefer ARR to succeed and not IR?? ARR is also a tamilian.......it was ARR music's global appeal that took him places.....
second statement is partly right, bollywood critics do not seem to have a liking for ARRahman......but general public, trust me guys, have great respect for ARR.....they just adore him.....infact, i've always felt ARR gets better respect in north than in south.....anything above Hyderabad is ARR's regime.....
heard the chor-police song from Shiva today, it seriously reminded me of "pattu nila" from valter vetrivel........dont u think guys.....but it sounded very much like a RGV movie song......
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Maddy,
ARR's music was very well received in the north coz, he uses the optimum combo of sufi/ghazal type of tunes that very well goes with their taste.
I remember once watching an interview of a lesser known lyric writer, who wrote for "Udhaya Udhaya". He said that Rahman called him mentioning that he has a wonderful ghazal-like tune requesting for the lyrics.
That song was good, but didn't go well with the tamil audience coz the taste is different. Tamil audiences have a totally different taste.
Summing up we have different ears to music and the northies have different ears to music and Rahman is very much in his own territory in offering the music the northies like, it is like a Michael Schumacher driving in the French Grand prix .
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Maddy..Shiva songs wunt be anything to look into even though i have not heard them as knowing IR...he will be more inspired by the BGM then the songs. The chances of the fans looking into the film songs is the same as salman khan stopping his usual activity of flexing his muscles.
Well i actually think ARR sounds more attractive in the north due to his willingness to deviate his style of music making while IR does not compromise on changing his music to suit bollywood tastes(racey ghazals and peppy sounding numbers are hated by IR). but anyway..im looking forward to cheeni kum more than anything else..
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Renault wrote: |
Maddy,
ARR's music was very well received in the north coz, he uses the optimum combo of sufi/ghazal type of tunes that very well goes with their taste.
I remember once watching an interview of a lesser known lyric writer, who wrote for "Udhaya Udhaya". He said that Rahman called him mentioning that he has a wonderful ghazal-like tune requesting for the lyrics.
That song was good, but didn't go well with the tamil audience coz the taste is different. Tamil audiences have a totally different taste.
Summing up we have different ears to music and the northies have different ears to music and Rahman is very much in his own territory in offering the music the northies like, it is like a Michael Schumacher driving in the French Grand prix . |
Exactly renault. Northies and southies have different taste. that is the fact. Northies always like gazal, hindustani, sufi type of music or fusion of these or fusion of these genre with western. southies always like carnatic, western, folk or fusion of these things.
my assumption on northies that they wont like carnatic based or tamil folk based songs. southis wont like pure gazals.
if u mix or fusion the both genres (south and north) with correct proportion, then it will like by both of them.
ARR knows the exact taste of both south and north. He gives exact music to the exact people. u can see the clear difference between his HFM and TFM music styles. he cleverly mixes the different genres. He succeed.
IR style is diff. northies unable to digest this maestros style of composition. his classic WCM style of orchastration, tamil folk, carnatic+folk, carnatic+western classical is new to them.
If raja slightly changed his style of music, he could have succeed more in HFM.
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One of the several news items about IR being in Bombay for recording "Cheeni Kum" songs:
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060713/48/65vej.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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Thanks for the link krish..
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Hulkster wrote: |
Well i actually think ARR sounds more attractive in the north due to his willingness to deviate his style of music making while IR does not compromise on changing his music to suit bollywood tastes(racey ghazals and peppy sounding numbers are hated by IR) |
it is highly unfair to call ARR deviated his style of music and IR didnt......ARR had one style of music in 90's and it was global........anyone from Chennai to New York cud have enjoyed it.....its just that northies enjoyed it more than tamilians......
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Actually, I have to agree with Hulkster.
Although ARR started off with music that had western influence (pop genre), the sound was very Indian, and he and it wasn't too different. The music of ARR from 92-95 is very different, and then there was that lull period for some years, and I believe his music has gone through a lot of change.
Post late 90s, I am sure everyone could enjoy his music. But before that, his songs were very regional oriented. Lots of albums that were a huge hit in the South, failed to attract the North. Not so much global appeal there. Of course, this is in general.
IR never shifted much in his music. He has reduced using violins etc and gone for computerized instrumentation, e.g Pithamagan. But the melody is there, the orchestration follows his set pattern. The good songs are there, the crappy songs are there. It's just that, these days, the crappy songs outnumber the good ones. For both music directors:-)
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That is true. ARR did quite a few villagey folk-oriented films in the 92-95 period. He didn't seem quite at home in this genre like IR was, but ARR did some interesting things with the genre.
Pithamagan did have orchestration (the fantastic opening to Adadaa, some string parts in Elangaathu, probably some others). I like albums like Pithamagan and Mumbai Xpress more than that last Fazil film he did. Can't even remember the name.
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aruvi wrote: |
Actually, I have to agree with Hulkster.
Although ARR started off with music that had western influence (pop genre), the sound was very Indian, and he and it wasn't too different. The music of ARR from 92-95 is very different, and then there was that lull period for some years, and I believe his music has gone through a lot of change. |
yes ARR's music has always undergone changes but for his own interests and his fans' interests and not to impress any Bollywood badshah.......lull period in 90's for ARR?? i couldnt see any.......infact 96,97,98 saw Kadhal desam, Iruvar,Dil se,Minsara kanavu.....u cud say he has gone into lull after Rythm maybe.....
aruvi wrote: |
Post late 90s, I am sure everyone could enjoy his music. But before that, his songs were very regional oriented. Lots of albums that were a huge hit in the South, failed to attract the North. Not so much global appeal there. Of course, this is in general. |
92-95, he gave Roja, which, according to Hindustan times has changed the face of Bollywood music......he gave Muqabla which was copied 6 times in hindi, Chandralekha was broadcast in MTV world (in 93).......he has used Global sounds rite from his early days.....u can see Tamil cassettes of ARR from 92-00' in many north indian houses still now.....
and ARR's success in HFM is a phenomenon which will not occur again and again......if it so easy then YSR shuld do it half-sleeping.......
well so much abt ARR in IR's section......bye
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MADDY wrote: |
and ARR's success in HFM is a phenomenon which will not occur again and again......if it so easy then YSR shuld do it half-sleeping.......
well so much abt ARR in IR's section......bye |
dont know why YSR came into this topic???
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Maddy,
I don't want to discuss ARR in IR's thread, either, but in response to your statements.
First you are contradicting your earlier statement, it seems. You had said Rahman has had only one style since 90's and it was global. That was what I disagreed with.
Then you admit his music has always undergone changes....
The change in his music is for universal appeal. And that is understandable, since he was/is reaching out to a different audience.
He had a long lull period during the late 90's. Since I was a big fan, I followed pretty much every article I could find about him and his music right till, maybe 2000. Kadhal desam, Iruvar,Dil se,Minsara kanavu...these films had hit songs, but barring Dilse, they received mixed reception. Iruvar, especially, had low sales, comparitively. But there are some IR fans who still think IR's music never dropped in popularity, this is like that.
"Although ARR started off with music that had western influence (pop genre), the sound was very Indian, and he and it wasn't too different."
I said that to make sure that the point of him having a global sound integrated in his music from the start. But then, there was a huge Indianness to it. Roja was a national hit. The sounds of Roja were totally different but very much appealing all over India. The song "Muqqabula" was a huge hit, yes, but in TN, all the songs of Kadhalan were a big hit. And frankly, Roja did not change the face of Bollywood music. For many years later, they churned out inane music, and none could have that ARR signature at that time. But then, everyone brought in the technical advancements and music has changed, all over India. Even a Western music genius like IR has stopped using violin orchestras, real instruments.
But if this is your argument, then IR has been copied numerous times by Bollywood. Of the top of my head, his song "Oh Priya Priya" a huge hit at that time, was copied. I am sure if IR was starting out in 92 instead of 76, and we had the same media, then he would have had his song played:-) Not to take away ARR's credit, he is a genius. And I have not been to many North Indian persons houses...so I wouldn't know. But most of the people I grew up here with and are friends can identify and know the likes of Roja, Rangeela, Taal, Dilse, Lagaan etc, but Vanchikotta Chinnarasu, Pudhyia Mugam, Thiruda Thirudi, Duet, Karuthamma...I don't think so.
What has YSR got to do with this? At the moment, he is the most popular MD in TN. Yes, I don't care for his music but hmmm...what to do:-)
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Says bollywood lyricist Sameer is working with IR (and also with Kamal and Singeetham Srinivasa Rao's Maaya Bazaar).
But indha page title'a paarthadhum ("Now sameer goes south") gadhi kalangi poitten!!! Just to confirm that he is not by any chance writing "tamil" lyrics, I visited the page. He is working on all hindi versions of the respective movies!
http://hindi.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/hindi/livewire/id/4940/news/sameer.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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BTW, posted the below link in "Cheeni Kum" thread.
http://ww3.mid-day.com/news/city/2006/july/140645.htm
It says "Cheeni Kum" & "SHIVA" will have old IR hits rehashed.
thanks,
Krishnan
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no wonder, chor-police song seemed like "pattu nila mettu edathu" song of valter vetrivel.......hope his bgms are as always fresh....
aruvi, check ur PM
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Maddy,
Chk ur pm.
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After so much Hype, IR recycles his old tunes.
Enna Kovamo engal mel.
On second thought, seeing his so called new tunes, the recycled ones may sound better. (cha! indha IR fanoda Bane-ye idhu dhan. We never stop expecting inspite of he consistently disappointing!)
Bala
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Maddy where did u listen to the song from SHIVA
Chor - Police ?
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http://ww3.mid-day.com/news/city/2006/july/140645.htm
hmmm so these two directors decided Raja cant give anything new and settled with Recycling his old tunes. They could've called Anand Milind to do that stuff. Highly Disappointing
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Can't even imagine anybody else singing the tune of Mandram vandha thendralukku nobody can do justice to that tune except SPB
And Icant think Of Kuzhal oothum kannanukku in hindi its very original and native southie tune. Dont know how its gonna fit in that movie. Shoudn't MSV Be credited for this songs Tune
All my hopes have drained down Balki and RGV shoudn't have done this to Us Fans
hmmm polamba vittutaangalae
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Two, rather slow songs. I can't imagine them being done justice.
Why can't they let Raja do some original songs. It's not like he can't, I think that the creative atmosphere is lacking in today's film music scene.
Kuzhaloothum Kannannukku in this day and age?!
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To me it is an insult to IR !!!
I expected some Jazz stuff as in Mumbai xpress..... some modern stuff.
Kuzhaloothum ---- a good melodious song while hitting the hay - definitely not at all a choice in parties or trips
IR's songs can be heard alone with lot of concentration. But then when one goes out partying, all we need is a Deva types of songs
The album may be a hit to all IR fans just like us. But commercially, thru out India, I dont know how far the sales are going to be - indirectly affecting the success of the movie.
I would rather that IR had'nt signed for these movies. I think that he is just going to get the brush off this time too from North Indian music fans.
My 2 cents funda.
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To me it is an insult to IR !!!
I expected some Jazz stuff as in Mumbai xpress..... some modern stuff.
Kuzhaloothum ---- a good melodious song while hitting the hay - definitely not at all a choice in parties or trips
IR's songs can be heard alone with lot of concentration. But then when one goes out partying, all we need is a Deva types of songs
The album may be a hit to all IR fans just like us. But commercially, thru out India, I dont know how far the sales are going to be - indirectly affecting the success of the movie.
I would rather that IR had'nt signed for these movies. I think that he is just going to get the brush off this time too from North Indian music fans.
My 2 cents funda.
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popeye11 wrote: |
Maddy where did u listen to the song from SHIVA
Chor - Police ? |
i saw it on MTV man.....
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I had a vague suspicion Balki might do this, because of his obsession with old songs of IR. Maybe they dont want to take any 'risks' . This is okay with me, as long as, the album is considered a hit and IR gets more chances in hindi. Hopefully, they new environment will inspire and challenge him, in future. I also have a feeling that Balki will 'product manage' the output very well and will make sure the style is acceptable to the north indian audience. He is after all a business savvy person.
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A further disappointment is that RGV was supposed to premiere Shiva at the NY Asian Film Festival:
http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/?p=1202
But apparently he did not:
http://www.subwaycinema.com/frames/nyaff06films.htm
The trailer had an awesome bgm from what I could make out from the low quality sound - a base layer of steady drumming with accompanying instruments that ebbed and flowed depending on the mood of the scene being shown!
Well guys, there are so many good things that could have happened with this movie for IR and his fans - a few original songs and a New York Premiere, but neither happened! Let's hope that the movie is atleast well marketed and becomes a hit. A few websites say that it is going to be released the week after the SRK starrer Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna in August, but we are yet to see any significant promos - trailers, album releases, websites etc. I am beginning to wonder...
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Well, the idea is not bad. After all, quite a few of us have been crying out loud for IR himself to re-do his old tunes with better recording etc. The choice of songs, though, is baffling. Kuzhaloodhum Kannanukku for the consumption of North audience? Mandram Vandha is more of an orchestral melody. Just sing this and see "Thaamarai Mele..small pause...neer thuli pol...". Hardly any tune there right? The beauty of the song was the orcehstration, choice of situation, the emotion and ofcourse, SPB. I mean, SPB.
However, jothe jotheyalli is a good choice for the Hindi audience. For those who dont know, it is the same as "Vizhiyilae, mani Vizhiyil" from Nooravadhu Naal. Just as I typed the first line of this paragraph, I realised that this song isnt as great a hit in Tamil as the other two. Maybe, that explains why it sounds like a better choice for the north
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Now that we know its going to be IR's hits recycled, all I look forward is:
1) Well orchestrated songs (no synth stuff please).
2) Good/decent singing with good lyrics.
3) Good preludes/interludes
4) Atleast two-three songs needs to be picturised well & should not be cut from the movie (like what happened to the only melodious song in MX )
I dont know if the choice of singers are only what has been mentioned in that article. I really hope its more than that..especially male singers. Why not use Udit (he is certainly good for hindi), Sonu Nigam and couple of other good singers. Also, he should see if he can use Sunidhi Chauhan. Also, IR should have control over their singing. For example, I somewhat liked Sonu's singing of "Poo Poothadhu" (tamil version), but I did not like his way of improvising the hindi version.
Whatever...
thanks,
Krishnan
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Kuzhaloodhum.... in Hindi ?? !!
Vera tune-e kedaikaliyaa ? Nalla vandhu Vaachaanungappaa namma IRukkunnu ! Jalraa adikka theriyudhe thavira tune select panna theriyala !
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raja_fan wrote: |
Kuzhaloodhum.... in Hindi ?? !!
Vera tune-e kedaikaliyaa ? Nalla vandhu Vaachaanungappaa namma IRukkunnu ! Jalraa adikka theriyudhe thavira tune select panna theriyala ! |
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Shoudn't MSV Be credited for this songs Tune
Rajasaranam thanks
But I am very much disappointed with this news. Hope BGM will be original.
ramesh
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To All:
A reminder:
Sunday, 23rd July 2006
A selection of Fine Tunes by IR & ARR
on
www.citr.ca
8-10 pm (PDT) (Monday Morning in India.)
The programme is webcast. Click on Listen Live when you log on to the site.
Spread the word!!
Naaz
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Below are two links that might interest IR fans.
First, is an interview to Screen magazine:
http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=13039
Second, a detailed anecdote of his first film song recording for Anakkili, his debut film number:
http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=13040
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thanks aruvi
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Raja seems to be in a very relaxed mood in the interview.It was interesting reading it. And Raaja in mumbai seems to be the talk of the town...i mean almost all major news guys have covered his presence in mumbai.
Thanx aruvi
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Well,I managed to catch the trailer on Hindi Music channels. The chor-police song actually is nothing but Botany class undi...the jagada jagada refrain replaced by "Chor-Police". Doenst resemble Pattu Nilaa much, though the pattu nilaa opening phrase, I used to think, was close to the jagada jagada refrain. Being close is not the same as being the same
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Well interview of IR. It seems there are no many recycle tunes. It may be 2 or 3 songs from both movies.
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I heard one more song from the movie "SHIVA" (titled "Shapat"). Although it was a fresh tune (i have not heard it before atleast), it had the stamp of IR's usual sad/melancholy tune. Starts something like "Tune kya diya ... paya...khoya" etc. Surprise ... surprise...surprise...its sung by IR himself. If I am not wrong, this is the first time IR is singing a hindi song! I was always sceptical as how IR would sound (pronounce) in hindi. Surprisingly, he pronounced the words quite decently.
As per all the news, now it seems SHIVA will have more original songs than CHEENI KUM Lets see...we have heard only two songs so far. 4 more to come out. Lets see.
thanks,
Krishnan
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krish244 wrote: |
I heard one more song from the movie "SHIVA" (titled "Shapat"). Although it was a fresh tune (i have not heard it before atleast), it had the stamp of IR's usual sad/melancholy tune. Starts something like "Tune kya diya ... paya...khoya" etc. Surprise ... surprise...surprise...its sung by IR himself. If I am not wrong, this is the first time IR is singing a hindi song! I was always sceptical as how IR would sound (pronounce) in hindi. Surprisingly, he pronounced the words quite decently.
Krishnan |
reflief Listened to the song in MTV. Though the song had IR stamp it was very much fitting in to northie sad songs tune style too. atleast the part ' thoone kya paaya thaa toone kya khoya thaa' was pucca north style. Well the surprise is IR not only sounds decent! but it was excellent pronounciation compared to the northies butchering southern languages
As in an earlier interview of RGV they were shooting some songs in Bangkok for which he said IR's music is too contemporary hope this is also a new song and treat for us
Now Iam looking forward to Shiva more than cheenikum
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I stumbled upon this link accidentally
http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movie/V000373.html
The compilation is of patriotic songs and the 3rd song in list sung by kamal is composed by Raja [note: actually the urls are mixed up and the 2nd song sung by HH and the 3rd song by KH are interchanged ]
The 6th and 7th nos. are composed by KarthickRaja...
Any idea of from which album these songs are taken or was it composed exclusively for this compilation
I liked KR's song better than IR's from this compilation Though the song had IR's stamp all over it, may be the quality of the file didn't get me the song in full
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Another link of the long awaited TTLS
http://www.welgategroup.com/cinemafox.html
I have high hopes for the BGM of this movie and this never seems to be released
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IR's interview on musicindiaonline
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/ar/i/music_director/504/3/general/1/
Find out what he says about ARR ------ very vague
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Quote: |
A.R.Rahman was your assistant later. How do you rate him as a composer?
Rahman was a keyboardist with me. I do not think that I was his teacher too in the classical sense. Rahman is doing good work - but he has been made to do a lot of things that give people a wrong impression of his music |
i guess he means that ARR can give music beyond loops/synthesisers but he is made to give computer music bcos of market pressure.......
if my assumption is rite above, then nowadays, IR is in a big way acknowledging ARR's ability as a class MD
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MADDY wrote: |
i guess he means that ARR can give music beyond loops/synthesisers but he is made to give computer music bcos of market pressure.......
if my assumption is rite above, then nowadays, IR is in a big way acknowledging ARR's ability as a class MD |
Exactly That is only grouse Raja had on ARR all these days. If ARR comes out of that he can do wonders like wat he did for BOSE Lagaan Swades Meenaxi etc.,
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This is happening only after the Thirvasagam release function. ARR acknowledged him by attending the function and supported him when there was a controversy. Now to me it looks like IR is reciprocating. Two times in last two months. Thanks.
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Venus,
ARR has always been respectful to veteran music directors. From the beginning, he has always said that IR showed him that a musician can be a genius without succumbing to bad habits. He always referred to IR as a genius. Even at the function of Aasai film audio release (11 years back), he jocularly said that he is always saying what he likes of other composers songs but papers edit that:-)
ARR, in a function with all veteran music directors a few years back, even presented IR with a gold ring. But IR put it back on ARR's finger because he doesn't wear gold.
ARR's acknowledgement is nothing new. Any musician would say, ARR as a person is a gem.
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Aruvi,
ARR did not mention IR's name in any interview in his begining years..When he went to peak in his first two years, he told nobody that he was once a keyboardist to IR..Later only, he started to reveal all this only in later years..
Let ARR be a gem personally..Who cares ?
Nobody of us need to know him personally..infact how many of IR or ARR's fans have really seen them in their lives ??
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raja_fan wrote: |
Aruvi,
ARR did not mention IR's name in any interview in his begining years..When he went to peak in his first two years, he told nobody that he was once a keyboardist to IR..Later only, he started to reveal all this only in later years..
Let ARR be a gem personally..Who cares ?
Nobody of us need to know him personally..infact how many of IR or ARR's fans have really seen them in their lives ?? |
Exactly, even he told "I am not hearing much IR songs" "I am the fan of MSV" "TR songs slightly inspired me", etc
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IndiaGlitz woke up a bit late on "Chor Police" song:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/24086.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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raja_fan wrote: |
Aruvi,
ARR did not mention IR's name in any interview in his begining years..When he went to peak in his first two years, he told nobody that he was once a keyboardist to IR..Later only, he started to reveal all this only in later years..
Let ARR be a gem personally..Who cares ?
Nobody of us need to know him personally..infact how many of IR or ARR's fans have really seen them in their lives ?? |
i dunno wat u r saying, we knew rite from august15,1992 that ARR was from IR"S troupe.......i dunno how someone cud have come to know without ARR accepting it....
we care abt ARR's personal life........cos he is one person whom people can look upto as an inspiration and as a icon.........and he is acknowledged as an icon all over India(except TN).......ARR as a person is a major plus to his music......
sanjeevi, never he has said that "i dont listen to IR's songs".......
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'aahistha chal' from Shiva is played time and again in MTV i think they should release the album by now Iam going mad to listen to this one song in full which promises to be having amazing choral works !
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First,
Everyone knew from the start about ARR's background. I have read his earlier interviews though I only started listening to Tamil music after 1994. Him liking MSV is no surprise, since he has said that P.Susheela is his favourite singer.
TR made some good songs, in his glory days. As far as I have read and seen, ARR has always acknowledged IR. It's not something that happenned out of the blue. That's what I wanted to point out.
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Himesh interview in Kumudam. Looks like he wants to work with IR
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2006-08-02/pg11.php
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http://www.telugucinema.com/tc/audio_abhinandana.php
Commentary on Abhinandana
Bala
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On IR's new Telugu film "Hope"...
http://idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/ilayaraja-notes.html
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The below says that the audio (Telugu??) will be released either on 2nd of August or in the 2nd week of August!
http://www.idleburra.com/2006/07/ram-gopal-varmas-shiva-2006.html
http://www.idleburra.com/2006/07/siva-2006-not-liked-by-police.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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IR always manages to cut a wide swath when he gets an oppurtunity to compose for Hindi films. Somehow, predictably all the interest and euphoria fizzle out after the music is released. It happened for aur ek prem kahani and mumbai xpress.
I just hope he gets due recognition atleast this time. if he fails this time too, he can just give up his hopes for Bollywood with a feeling that he is still the king of melody. Atleast I believe that no body can hold a candle to him in melodies.
there are still enough people who will continue to be his fans for ever. i dont know if he will get a chance to work with Rajni or Kamal again. Sadly, even in Tamil, he gets only low budget movies. Looks like he is pretty much getting the cold shoulder from all the directors. May be it also has with his overbearing attitude
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ROTFL at the last post!!!
This thread can be aptly titled "comedy times" now:-) I never knew IR gave a hoot for Bollywood!
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Photo Gallery of Shiva 2006
http://www.idlebrain.com/movie/photogallery/shiva2006/index.html
there will be one sizzling song in the movie as i interpret from the images
Well none can beat Raaja in this particular genre of songs. Songs like nila kayuthu, nethu rathiri, en ullil engo, sivarathiri, sandhana marbilae, thennamarathila, maasi maasam, Ponmeni uruguthey, en ulle en ulle, etho mogam were huge hits apart from being sizzling and erotic music.
He had given various dimensions and moods for the same love/sexual feelings and colored them as musical art. Lets hope he creates some magic and translate some musical knowledge to the ignorant northies
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Ilayaraja reuses 4 tunes for Shiva 2006
Director Ram Gopal Varma requested Maestro Ilayaraja to reuse 4 of his best tunes of 80s. Two of the four reused tunes consist of Botany pathamundi (Shiva), Jagada Jagadam (Geetanjali). Audio of this film will be released at a high profile function to be organized at Hotel Marriot on the night of 11th August with Nagarjuna Akkineni gracing as chief guest. This film will be released on 25th of August.
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venus05 wrote: |
This is happening only after the Thirvasagam release function. ARR acknowledged him by attending the function and supported him when there was a controversy. Now to me it looks like IR is reciprocating. Two times in last two months. Thanks. |
Real criticism of ARR from IR comes in one song (written by his friend Karunanidhi)..It goes 'thEvai illAtha oosaigaLai ezhuppi isai enRu solvathEn' .... (litte mischief thaan .. )
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"Ilayaraja reuses 4 tunes for Shiva 2006" - I can understand if IR had used some of his better tunes from the 80s - why 'jagada jagadam' from Geethanjali ? am perplexed - it was/is no doubt a good composition, but not great, by IR's standards, I would have expected him to reuse some tune from say 'Agni Natchatiram/Gharshana' instead
I can think of 'n' no of other tunes from the 80s that IR could have used
I wonder what the other two (reused) tunes are ?
Sigh! and why did IR oblige when RGV asked him to reuse the same tunes?! thats puzzling as well!
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Looks like RGV still lives in the past...as i said the film will only focus more on BGM rather than the songs..sonaal keika maaturaengela pa. Only Cheeni Kum seems attractive as being a romantice movie songs will play a large part of it. Probably the media reports about reusing certain songs in that movie might be false. Let us judge upon its arrival and see it was reused or original or a mixture of both.
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http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14264009
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Agree with you Tmrrmt! BTW, is "Jagada Jagadam" same as "Vidiya Vidiya Nadanam"?
Is this the audio release of SHIVA, telugu version? If so, its strange that there is absolutely no news/activity (shooting activity I mean) of "SHIVA" in telugu, but the audio is releasing soon! Whereas in Hindi, we dont know when it will be released?
thanks,
Krishnan
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I guess SHIVA will be dubbed in Telugu (as SHIVA 2006) rather than being remade. Check the below link for SHIVA 2006 posters.
http://www.telugucinema.net/g/main.php/v/movies/shiva2006posters/Image00001.JPG.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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Teja,
Please check your private messages, I have sent you a message..... very important!!!
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I have uploaded BGMs from 100+ movies in my yahoo group. Please join the group to download.
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/maestrosmagic
Regards
Venkatesh
http://maestromagic.blogspot.com
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Check this out. A part of Ilaiyaraaja's music notes for the film "HOPE"
http://www.jeevi.com/news/2000march20/ilayaraja-notes.html
thanks,
Krishnan
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Looks like naan kadavuk has crossed all initial hurdles.
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/tamil/3561/
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commonplace talk about Shiva.
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/aug-06-01/05-08-06-ilayaraja.html
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Hi IR fans,
The thread is being continued here:
http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7639