Topic started by Shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on Wed Sep 10 04:45:14 .
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Un uyirukkuL uyirAAi
swasathin kAAtrAAi
idhayathin thudippAAi
iyanginAAl suGam
..
nee kaal aNiyum seruppAAi
veetOraththu turumbAAi
koopitta kuralukku adiyaaLAAi
vAAzhvadum varam.
..
nee vittu sendra kuppaiyAAi
vetti chendra uravAAi
etti udhaitha puzhuvAAi
iyangi enna itham?

--
puriyaamal
shakthi
__________________________________

¯ý ¯Â¢ÕìÌû ¯Â¢Ã¡ö
ÍÅ¡ºò¾¢ý ¸¡üÈ¡ö
þ¾Âò¾¢ý ÐÊôÀ¡ö
þÂí¸¢É¡ø ͸õ

¯ý ¸¡ø «½¢Ôõ ¦ºÕôÀ¡ö
ţ𧼡ÃòÐ ÐÕõÀ¡ö
ÜôÀ¢ð¼ ÌÃÖìÌ «Ê¡ǡö
Å¡úÅÐõ ÅÃõ.

¿£ Å¢ðÎ ¦ºýÈ Ìô¨À¡ö
¦ÅðÊ ±È¢ó¾ ¯ÈÅ¡ö
±ðÊ ¯¨¾ò¾ ÒØÅ¡ö
þÂí¸¢ ±ýÉ þ¾õ?

---
Òâ¡Áø,
„ì¾¢

Responses:

• From: Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 61.1.207.123) on: Wed Sep 10 06:00:09 EDT 2003
  
  Á¾¢Â¡§¾¡Õ측¸ ÁÕÌÅÐ Á¼¨Á, ¦Àñ¨Á¢ý ¦¸ªÃÅò¾¢üÌ þØìÌ! ¸¡ÄÊ¢ø ¸¢¼ì¸ ¾Â¡Ã¡Â¢ÕôÀÅ¨Ç Å¢ðΠŢĸ¢Â¾¢ø þÆôÒ Â¡ÕìÌ?
  
  
• From: tiruttakkan (@ 203.196.133.202) on: Wed Sep 10 08:16:02 EDT 2003
  
  hi,
  
  40 dhaan.
  
  tiruttakkan
  
  
• From: tiruttakkan (@ 203.196.133.202) on: Wed Sep 10 08:16:12 EDT 2003
  
  hi,
  
  40 dhaan.
  
  tiruttakkan
  
  
• From: ellam therintha ellappan (@ 61.11.64.161) on: Wed Sep 10 09:04:45 EDT 2003
  
  Å¡ú쨸 ±ýÀÐ
  ´Õ ÅÆ¢ À¡¨¾
  ¾¢ÕõÀ ¿¢¨Éò¾¢Êø
  Áɾ¢ø ¯À¡¨¾
  
  Å¢¾¢Â¢ý ¦ºÂ§Ä¡ º¾¢Â¢ý ¦ºÂ§Ä¡
  ¿¼ó¾Ð ¡×õ ¿ý¨Á측Ìõ
  À¢Ã¢¾ø Å¡úÅ¢ý «Êì¸Ê ¸¡ðº¢
  Áýõ §À¡ø «Ð×õ º¸ƒ ¿¢¸ú
  
  
  Å£úó§¾ ¸¢¼óÐ
  Á¢¾¢ô Àð¼Ð §À¡Ð
  ±Øó¾¢Î ¦Àñ§½
  ²Øĸõ Å¢Âì¸
  
  --ellam therintha ellappan
  
  
• From: malligai (@ 0-1pool88-228.nas33.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net) on: Thu Sep 11 14:39:02 EDT 2003
  
  PP,
  
  "Á¾¢Â¡§¾¡Õ측¸ ÁÕÌÅÐ Á¼¨Á, ¦Àñ¨Á¢ý ¦¸ªÃÅò¾¢üÌ þØìÌ! ¸¡ÄÊ¢ø ¸¢¼ì¸ ¾Â¡Ã¡Â¢ÕôÀÅ¨Ç Å¢ðΠŢĸ¢Â¾¢ø þÆôÒ Â¡ÕìÌ?"
  
  wow!!..i am imppressed by ur advice!!!
  
  SHAKTHI,
  
  '¯ý ¯Â¢ÕìÌû ¯Â¢Ã¡ö
  þÂí¸¢É¡ø ͸õ ' ----these lines r intense and shows a deep-seated, 'out-and-out' love...niceeee!!
  
  "¯ý ¸¡ø «½¢Ôõ ¦ºÕôÀ¡ö
  Å¡úÅÐõ ÅÃõ." ---aioooo, ithu thevaiyaa??...that too coming from u??...but thinking about it, maybe when u love someone that much, then one would debase onself to be an '«Ê¡û', and forget the 'ego' factor..
  
  '±ðÊ ¯¨¾ò¾ ÒØÅ¡ö
  þÂí¸¢ ±ýÉ þ¾õ? '---this is a good self-realisation :)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: malligai (@ 0-1pool88-228.nas33.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net) on: Thu Sep 11 14:46:55 EDT 2003
  
  ET Ellappan,
  
  
  "Å¢¾¢Â¢ý ¦ºÂ§Ä¡ º¾¢Â¢ý ¦ºÂ§Ä¡
  ¿¼ó¾Ð ¡×õ ¿ý¨Á측Ìõ
  À¢Ã¢¾ø Å¡úÅ¢ý «Êì¸Ê ¸¡ðº¢
  Áýõ §À¡ø «Ð×õ º¸ƒ ¿¢¸úîº"
  
  ---wow..±ò¾¨É ¦Àâ ¯ñ¨Á¨Â ±ò¾¨É ±Ç¢¨Á¡ ¦º¡øÄ¢ þÕ츣í¸!!..very thought-provoking!!
  
  'Å£úó§¾ ¸¢¼óÐ
  Á¢¾¢ô Àð¼Ð §À¡Ð
  ±Øó¾¢Î ¦Àñ§½
  ²Øĸõ Å¢Âì¸ ' --we need more writers like u in this forum...
  
  
  
• From: shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on: Tue Sep 16 01:06:21 EDT 2003
  
  pp madam
  
  :) thx
  
  thirutakkan, ellam therindha yellappan,
  thx
  
  "aioooo, ithu thevaiyaa??...that too coming from u??...but thinking about it, maybe when u love someone that much, then one would debase onself to be an '«Ê¡û', and forget the 'ego' factor.. "<<<<
  
  oh u bet!
  
  :))
  
  "this is a good self-realisation :)"<<<
  
  not self realization...its more...self pathos...poor lady some day she woudl wake up hehehe
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on: Tue Sep 16 01:07:19 EDT 2003
  
  oopz last two messeges wuz for malligai
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on: Tue Sep 16 01:11:50 EDT 2003
  
  "then one would debase onself to be an '«Ê¡û', and forget the 'ego' factor.. "<<<<
  <<
  
  thinking about it again...if the person deserves it one can loose lil ego, ELSE ITS NOT WORTH IT!
  
  JUST WALK OUT...AND MAKE HIM OR HER KNOWN...I HAVE BETTER WORLD, BETTER THINGS, BETTER PPL THAN U .....
  
  'die with pride'...SHOULD BE THE MOTIVE...even if one cries inside....smile with pride outside.....
  
  
  just my views..
  
  :)
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache7-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Tue Sep 16 06:31:35 EDT 2003
  
  ÁÚÌÅÐ - «Ð×õ, þó¾ «Ç× - ºÃ¢ÂüÈÐ. ¬É¡ø ºð¨¼¨Âì ¸ÆüÈ¢ Å¡„¢í Á¢„¢É¢ø §À¡ÎÅÐ Á¡¾¢Ã¢ ¸¡¾¨Äì ¸ÆüÈ¢ô §À¡ðΠŢΧÅý ±ýÀÅ÷¸û ¾Â× ¦ºöÐ ¸¡¾ø Àì¸õ Åá¾£÷¸û. «Ð×õ ºÃ¢ÂüÈÐ.
  ¦¸¡ïºõ ¯½÷×â÷ÅÁ¡¸×õ ¦¸¡ïºõ ¾¡÷ò¾Óõ ¸ÄóÐ þÕí¸.
  
  §¿ºõ ´Õ Àð¼¡õâ¨Âô §À¡Ä..
  
  if you love something,
  set it free.
  if it comes back,
  it's yours.
  if it doesn't
  it was never meant to be.
  
  ¬ÆÁ¡É Åâ¸û (±ýÛ¨¼Â¾øÄ).. ¾Á¢úôÀÎò¾¢ô À¡Õí¸û. ±Ø¾¢ ¨ÅÔí¸û ¯í¸û ¿¡ðÌÈ¢ô§ÀðÊø.. þÂýÈ¡ø, þ¾Âò¾¢Öõ..Bye.
  
  
• From: tiruttakkan (@ nhpc.nic.in) on: Tue Sep 16 10:30:38 EDT 2003
  
  hi surathi,
  
  aamen.¬¦Áý.
  
  ¾¢Õò¾ì¸ý
  
  
• From: malligai (@ 0-1pool89-163.nas33.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net) on: Tue Sep 16 19:17:01 EDT 2003
  
  Surathi,
  
  i think u misunderstood what Shakthi has said...read tthis line..
  
  "if the person deserves it one can loose lil ego, ELSE ITS NOT WORTH IT!"
  
  ---she is saying that if the person is worth ( like in true love, friendhip or whatever the relationship), then we can go to all extents, but not to lose it if it is not worth..also read her lines:
  '¯ý ¸¡ø «½¢Ôõ ¦ºÕôÀ¡ö
  ţ𧼡ÃòÐ ÐÕõÀ¡ö '
  ÜôÀ¢ð¼ ÌÃÖìÌ «Ê¡ǡö
  Å¡úÅÐõ ÅÃõ.
  
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache1-2.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Wed Sep 17 04:52:53 EDT 2003
  
  thiruthakkan, your comment is stunningly short and sharp. i understood, but i couldn't help it. thank you.
  
  'MALLIGAI' (and 'shakti' too) !
  
  «Åû ¸¡ø ÅĢ츢ÈÐ ±ýÈ¡ø ±ý ÁÊ¢ø
  ±ÎòÐô §À¡ðÎì ¦¸¡ñÎ þ¾Á¡öô À¢ÊòÐ
  Å¢ÎÅÐ §¿ºõ.. ¯ý Å£ðΠš¢Ģø Á¢¾¢ÂÊ¡ö
  ¿¡É¢Õ츢§Èý. ±Éî ¦º¡øÅÐ Á¢¨¸. «Å÷¸û ¸Å¢¨¾Â¢ø Ó¾ø ÁüÚõ þÃñ¼¡ÅÐ À¡Ã¡ì¸ÙìÌ þ¨¼§Â ¯ûÇ Å¢ò¾¢Â¡ºõ «Ð.
  
  þó¾ ±ý ¸Å¢¨¾¨Âô À¡Õí¸û (which I wrote and simply shelved, obviously because I felt that LEAF was very foolish in its love..)
  
  ÁÃÁ¡Ôõ þ¨Ä¡Ôõ º¢Ä ÁÉ¢¾÷¸û
  ---------------------------------------
  
  «ó¾ ÁÃò¾¢üìÌ ¿¢¨È þ¨Ä¸û,
  «ó¾ þ¨ÄìÌ «Ð ´§Ã ÁÃõ,
  ¬É¡Öõ «¾üÌ Á¸¢ú.
  
  ´ù¦Å¡Õ ÍÅ¡ºò¾¢Öõ
  ´Õ ӨȧÂÛõ ¦º¡øÄ¢ì ¦¸¡ûÙõ
  "µ, ¯É측¸.." ±ýÚ.
  
  ´ù¦Å¡Õ «¨ºÅ¢üìÌõ
  ´Õ ¸Å¢¨¾ ¸¢Úì¸¢ì ¸¡ðÎõ
  "¯ÉìÌ À¢ÊìÌÁ¡?" ±ýÚ.
  
  ¦Åö¢Ģø ¯½× º¨ÁìÌõ,
  ŢƢò¾¢ÕóÐ ÀÈ¢Á¡Úõ,
  Å¢Â÷ìÌõ§À¡Ð Å¢º¢È¢Ôõ Å¢Îõ.
  
  ÀÄ Á¨Æ ¿¡ð¸Ç¢ø
  ¸¨¾¸û ¸¢Í ¸¢ÍìÌõ,
  §¸ð¼¡Öõ §¸ð¸¡Å¢ð¼¡Öõ.
  
  ÁÃõ ¬úóÐ àí¨¸Â¢ø
  þÐ «¨ºÅüÚ þÕìÌõ
  «Ð ŢƢòÐ ¦¸¡ûÇ Ü¼¡¦¾ýÚ.
  
  µí¸¢ «¨ºìÌõ ¸¡üÈ¢ø
  ´Õ ¸½õ À¾È¢ò¾¡ý §À¡Ìõ
  µ, þЦÅýÉ þ¼÷ ±ýÚ.
  
  ÐÇ¢÷ò¾Ð §À¡Ä§Å
  ´Õ º¡¾¡Ã½ ¿¡Ç¢ø
  ¯¾¢÷óÐõ §À¡ÉÐ..
  
  Å¢Øó¾¡Öõ ¸¡ÄÊ¢ø þ¨Ä¡¸
  ¯Ä÷ó¾¡Öõ «í§¸§Â ºÕ¸¡¸
  ¦ÁÐ ¦ÁÐÅ¡ö §¿ºò¾¢ý ¯ÃÁ¡¸..
  
  þÚ¾¢Â¢ø þ¨Ä ¦º¡øÄ ¿¢¨ÉòÐ,
  ¬É¡ø ¦º¡øÄ¡Á§Ä §À¡ÉÐ,
  "þò¾¨É ¿¡û ¿¡ý ¯ýÛ¼ý,
  þÉ¢ ¿¡ý ¯ÉìÌû!"
  
  þôÀÊ ÁÃÁ¡Ôõ, þ¨Ä¡Ôõ
  º¢Ä ÁÉ¢¾÷¸û..
  
  ¿ýÈ¢.
  
  -Íþ¢ -
  
  
• From: Shakthi. (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on: Wed Sep 17 11:29:31 EDT 2003
  
  surathi,
  
  thangal maramum ilaiyum vegu azhagu.
  
  vithyaasamaai yosanaiyum athan mel punaitha kaviyum miga nErthi
  
  nEssam enbathu, ethirpaarpathu alla.
  ethirpaaraamal ennidam ullathu intha...ena koduppathu........matravar koduthaalum kodukkavittalum...........þ¨Ä¸¨Ç §À¡ø.
  
  shakthi.
  
  
• From: ete (@ lan-202-144-73-12.maa.sify.net) on: Wed Sep 17 14:42:08 EDT 2003
  
  Surathi...
  
  
  last few lines... superb...
  
  ete
  
  
• From: tiruttakkan (@ nhpc.nic.in) on: Wed Sep 17 22:52:03 EDT 2003
  
  hi surathi,
  
  that's the way aha haa haa ...i like it aha haa haa...
  
  i have s'thing else also to say here.i may like a particular poem on the subject of love more than another poem on unemployment , poverty or women's plight .reason is simple--i am enjoying or otherwise based on all aspects of the poem and its overall effect(only subject ?my answer is as good as most of the people here).niRaiya vishayam idhil solla uLLadhu.pinnoru naaL.
  
  carry on...
  
  
  75.
  
  tiruttakkan
  
  
• From: Kajan (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Thu Sep 18 17:16:52 EDT 2003
  
  Sutathi,
  
  u asked me some silly before in another thread ?
  
  Here it is best time to answer that question!
  
  Have you been focused to too much of light where kaviperasu vairamuthu's thamizhukkum noRam uNdu is kept? same content, words only different. Sorry friend......
  
  
• From: malligai (@ 0-1pool59-223.nas22.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net) on: Thu Sep 18 21:17:54 EDT 2003
  
  Surathi,
  
  ungaloda 'ÁÃÁ¡Ôõ þ¨Ä¡Ôõ º¢Ä ÁÉ¢¾÷¸û' ipothaan padichen...Its GREATTT...pala murai padichuten...ur personification of the leaf is beautifull...ivalavu nala kavithaiya unga bookla poduveenganu nambaren...
  
  Some of the lines r stunning.
  ÀÄ Á¨Æ ¿¡ð¸Ç¢ø
  ¸¨¾¸û ¸¢Í ¸¢ÍìÌõ,
  §¸ð¼¡Öõ §¸ð¸¡Å¢ð¼¡Öõ.
  
  " wrote and simply shelved, obviously because I felt that LEAF was very foolish in its love..) "
  
  ---I DONT agree with this...the Leaf was not foolish..it was just an uninhibited love/devotion, like the devotion we have towards God...when u love someone truly, thats exactly how it should be...wanting to be with them at all times, caring and nurturing them, whether they reciprocate or not, even if they r not aware of our love..so i think that the Leaf is not foolish!
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache9-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Fri Sep 19 02:41:15 EDT 2003
  
  Kajan, two things:
  
  (1) U r damn right. I remember I borrowed and read that book a long time back. Just wait for a few days, I will get it again and look for the kavithai u r referring to. If within that time, u do have it, could u post it here for me (in Tamil, if possible). But, frankly, the reason for my writing (and especially posting it here) is the gory death of some girls, where at least in one occasion, I was present at the GH, Tiruchy by the bed-side of the dying girl who unnecessarily burnt her life away for an unworthy guy (who happened to be my friend). I took part in the funeral, when that guy shied away into a dark corner of his home.
  
  My posting had a purpose and I wanted to explain to Thiruthakkan here who felt I was giving a sermon. My only purpose was to tell "
  ÁÚÌÅÐ - «Ð×õ, þó¾ «Ç× - ºÃ¢ÂüÈÐ. ..¦¸¡ïºõ ¯½÷×â÷ÅÁ¡¸×õ ¦¸¡ïºõ ¾¡÷ò¾Óõ ¸ÄóÐ þÕí¸. "
  
  That's all. Anyway, I did like your frank comments. This review and comparison will continue.
  
  (2) Kajan, what's that "u asked me some silly before in another thread ?" Did I offend you? R u sure? Pls confirm. I am more concerned about this, rather than the other comment. PLEASE DO take the liberty of writing me to motisun@hotmail.com or post here.
  
  Until then, Thanks and bye.
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache8-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Fri Sep 19 03:27:59 EDT 2003
  
  "ÁøÄ¢¨¸" ¯í¸û Å¡÷ò¨¾¸û ±ÉìÌ ±ùÅÇ× ºó§¾¡„õ ¾ó¾Ð ±ýÀ¾ü측ö þý¦É¡Õ ¸Å¢¨¾ ±Ø¾ §ÅñÊ¢ÕìÌõ.. «ùÅÇ× ºó§¾¡„õ.
  
  ¬É¡ø ±ý ¸Å¢¨¾ìÌô À¢ýÉ¡ø þÕó¾ ¬üÈ¡¨Á ÀüÈ¢ ¸ƒý - ìÌ ±Ø¾¢ÔûǨ¾ô ÀÊÔí¸û. ¿¡ý «ó¾ ÁüÈÅ÷¸ÙìÌî ¦º¡øÄ Å¢ÕõÀ¢ÂÐ þо¡ý:
  
  ±¨¾§ÂÛõ ó£í¸û §¿º¢ôÀ¾¡ö þÕó¾¡ø
  «¨¾î ;ó¾¢ÃÁ¡öô ÀÈì¸ Å¢Îí¸û
  «Ð ¯í¸Ç¢¼§Á ¾¢ÕõÀ¢ Åó¾¡ø
  ¿¢îºÂõ «Ð ¯í¸Ù¨¼Âо¡ý..
  ¾¢ÕõÀ¢ Åá Å¢ð¼¡ø,
  «Ð ±ý¨Èì̧Á ¯í¸Ù¨¼Â¾¡ö þÕó¾¢Õì¸Å¢ø¨Ä.
  
  ¬§½¡ ¦Àñ§½¡, it's a very pragmatic approach to such situations. þ§¾ forum - ø "¦Àñ¸û" ±ý¸¢È ¾¨ÄôÀ¢ø ÀÅÇÁ½¢ ôø¡ºõ «Å÷¸û ±Ø¾¢ÔûǨ¾Ôõ Ôž¢¸û ¿¢¨ÉÅ¢ø ¦¸¡ûÇ §ÅñÎõ.
  
  Á£Ã¡§Å¡ ¬ñ¼¡§Ç¡ ¦ÅÇ¢ôÀÎò¾¢ÂÐ § ¿ºõ, ¸¡ò¾¢Õò¾ø, ¿õô¢ì¨¸ ±É ¿¢¨É츢§Èý.. ÍÂÀ¾¡Àõ «øÄ.
  
  Malligai, thank you for this mind-walk.. once again.
  
  
• From: tiruttakkan (@ nhpc.nic.in) on: Fri Sep 19 09:27:09 EDT 2003
  
  hi surathi,
  oh! i have been misunderstood.by saying 'aamen' i concurred with you.your logic appealed to me & i agreed with you.what a diametric interpretation.
  sorry for the confusion.
  ungaL kavidhaikku 75 pOttadhaiyum neengaL gavanikkavillai?
  
  tiruttakkan
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache7-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Fri Sep 19 12:15:26 EDT 2003
  
  Thiruthakkan, I have great respect for you. I should say sorry. I did notice the gracious marks you had given and I did feel very proud about it. Mika nanRi.
  
  The current discussion "love and waiting" vis-a-vis "self-pity or self-injury" occupied my mind more. That's it.
  
  Regarding the discussion, if I could stop a tear or cause a smile, I always go to these lengths.
  
  Thank you very much. Bye.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kajan (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Fri Sep 19 17:18:27 EDT 2003
  
  Surathi,
  
  as I felt the reply is irrelevant to this thread I have dropped an email.
  
  here also I am telling that from IP address I am realising that it is u or else forget about it.
  
  >girl who unnecessarily burnt her life >
  Sorry for the sad and bad situation.
  I am going to write something in simple work in my thread, if u r interested , read it.
  
  link is :
  http://forumhub.com/poems/2322.03.16.45.html
  
  
• From: Surathi (@ cache9-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Sat Sep 20 07:14:18 EDT 2003
  
  Thank you Kajan for your understanding and e-mail. I will surely visit this link. I owe a lot to Shakti, Pavalamani Prakasam, Malligai, Kajan and Thiruthakkan for a stimulating mind-walk. Bye.
  
  

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