Topic started by ec (@ bryant.rz-berlin.mpg.de) on Sat Nov 23 17:15:29 .
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kaadhalil

sarugugaLilum vaNNangaL
thithikkum sandhippugaL
asaipOduthalil aanandham
paravasa kanavalaigaL
aazhndhidavE yEkkam
thodarndhidavE thavippu

thOlviyil

muLLaagum malargaL
kasakkum chinnangaL
thollayaagum ninaivugaL
valayaagiya alaigaL
suzhalaagum pOraattangaL
mudivE mudiva?

Responses:

• From: Iyappan (@ lan-202-144-73-10.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Nov 25 03:26:06
  
  Welcome back EC :)
  romba nala aalai kanalai ??
  WoW...
  
  Good poem...
  " valayagiya alaigal..." sattenru edhaiyO unarthugirathu.. mudivE mudiya illai mudivana mudiva?? illai mudivukku mudiva ??
  
  good one EC...
  
  Iyappan
  
  
• From: ec (@ bryant.rz-berlin.mpg.de) on: Mon Nov 25 11:25:29
  
  ungaL ookkamaLikkum vaarthaigaLukku nanRi Iyappan. naan en thesis completion sambandhama sila vElai paarthuttu irukkEn, athanaalathaan athigam net browse paNNa mudiyarthillai!
  
  2vathu paguthiyil uLLa varigaL ovvondrum muthal paguthiyil vandha corresponding varigaLin adutha kONam. andha vagayil, kaadhal irukkumbOthu athaichaarndha anubavangaLum vaazhkkayum thodara viruppam uNdaagiRathu. athu thOlviyutraal athai ninaivoottum sinnangaLum, athai chaarndha ninaivalaigaLum meeNdum meeNdum vandhu suzhalaai, silandhi pinniya valayaai maaRi oruvarai andha sOgathinil aazhthividugiRathu. athilirundhau meeLa vaazhkkayai mudithu koLvathuthaan vazhi enRu thOnRa vaikkiRathu (athaan mudivE mudivA?!).
  
  nigazhvugaL onRaaga irundhaalum, manadhin nilai avatrai vERaaga kaattum, athaithaan solla muyandru irukkiREn.
  
  meeNdum nanRi Iyappan. neengaLum naduvil konja naaLa missinga...
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-36-240.mantraonline.com) on: Mon Nov 25 12:35:25
  
  hi ec,
  
  mudivE mudiva??
  
  KelviyE badil aagi vittadu.
  Mudivil daan mudivu.
  
  Thoviyutra kaathal, mudiyavillai endraaal,
  
  namadu mudivu daan badil
  
  
• From: Iyappan (@ lan-202-144-73-10.maa.sify.net) on: Tue Nov 26 05:40:30
  
  EC,
  
  Let me analyse this POEM and your answer for the same. ( if i am mentioning "you" or HE/SHE just for example not to mention exactly you or some one :) )
  
  kadhal thOlvi enbadhu abaththam. Did you see " yey nee romba azaga irukkE " movie ??. that theme really goode one. If you love some one.. if she/he rejects, then that is not the end for anyones love or life. if it ends that can not be true love. if you still can love some one even when they are not recognizing you or accepting you.. i would say that would be great love. if you get apart from your partner what ever may be the reason, if you can think abt others well and future.. i think it would be the real Love. otherwise thinking of some one and spoiling themself or spoiling others life.. both sort of madness.. be practical. if she/he is not there means, if you think there is no life .. then your love is meaningless. Life is for yourself and when you cant live for your self live for others atleast.. you have no rights to end it.. this is what the answer for that poem. But i doubt how many will understand or accept it.
  
  Shakthi,
  
  " Tholviyutra kaathal, mudiyavillai endraaal,
  
  namadu mudivu daan badil"
  
  I strongly deny this. kadhal enRum tholvi adavathillai.. tholvi adayumEyaanal adhu kaadhal illai. here my definition differs abt kadhal.
  
  THe below one is my opinion
  -----------------------------
  kadhal appadinna, rendu perum sernthu eppavumE vaznthuttu irukkanumnu illai. thannudan illatha pOthum avargal nalam vizaivathE unmai kaadhal. adhaRkkaga thnnai varuthi kolluthal alladhu pirarai varuththuthal would be real foolishness
  
  this is what my opinion abt love
  
  more ever.. kandathum varuvathu appuram oruvarathula renduvarathula varathukku pErellam kaadhalnu solla mudiyaathu.. adhellam oruvidha eerppaga thaan irukkumE thavira adhu unmaiyil udaindhu poga koodiya uRavukalaga thaan irukka mudiyum.
  
  I repeat the words of oru_tamizan ( wrote in this forumhub)
  " kadhal poyin saadhal vEndam
  sadhalaRRa kaadhal vEndum "
  
  ----
  
  Shakthi and EC, sorry for differing with both of your opnion but what ever i posted here is just my opinion thats all :)
  
  Iyappan
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• From: ec (@ bryant.rz-berlin.mpg.de) on: Tue Nov 26 07:26:52
  
  Iyappan, thangaLudaya karuthukkaLai theLivaaga kooRiyamaikku nanRigaL pala...
  
  I too watched that film and really appreciate the theme whole heartedly. If we love someone, then we will wish them to be happy whether they accept us or not. That is the sign of a balanced mind and a real love. But that doesn't mean that he/she is completely free from the tint of love failure!
  
  idhaya veeNai thoongumbOthu paada mudiyuma?...
  uthadu sirikkum nEram uLLam sirikkuma
  uruvam pOdum vEsham uNmai aaguma...
  
  evLavu arumayaana varigaL! Love failure is a blow to one's ego, whatever be the cause and it won't go away from one's mind till death. It is the worst hitter to one's self which may be the cause for so many stories and poems about that.
  
  He/she can accept his/her lover's denial, and can try to behave normally. With time one can really carry on with his/her life casually. But the hurtings will always remain at the bottom of the heart. That is the truth. Everybody is human. We can only try to follow the good principles of life. To be free of happiness and sorrow completely is an idealistic state...
  
  I am not supporting suicide as the solution for love failure. I am just describing the response of our mind to two situations.
  
  Advices may help a person to overcome the intention to end his life. But it can't clear the wound. Even time can't heal that entirely.
  
  Once again I thankyou for your comments.
  ec
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-34-121.mantraonline.com) on: Thu Nov 28 02:08:49
  
  Iyyapan,
  
  u have misunderstood me!!!!
  
  (I wish i could talk to u in yahoo..sob sob..nevertheless....)
  
  plz listen..
  
  "Thoviyutra kaathal, mudiyavillai endraaal,
  
  namadu mudivu daan badil"<<<<<
  
  It means....
  
  If u dont end the thoughts of love-failure...
  then u probably fall sick and cry and die!!!
  
  I DID NOT SAY, it should be that way.
  I meant, if a person is weak minded that he is not able to digest love-failures, he would in turn make his life miserable and become a victim of mental hospital or death.
  
  I believe, if love does not click,
  JUST WISH UR LOVER OR LADY-LOVE his or her best...pray for his or her well-being..
  
  and carry on !!!!
  
  there are thousands of eligible bachelors or maidens waiting
  
  Ofcourse one CANNOT forget the past love, but one can live in its happy memories, and just take it in its stride.
  
  
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-34-121.mantraonline.com) on: Thu Nov 28 02:14:40
  
  ec,
  
  "He/she can accept his/her lover's denial, and can try to behave normally. "<<<<
  
  Ego does not play here. one may find another attractive, does not mean he or she is the goddess of beauty or greek god of beauty.
  
  For that individual his beauty and character and personality is impressive.
  
  Aishwarya rai or cleopatra would NOT be beautiful to 1000s of men.
  
  If a lady approaches the wrong man who does not acknowledge her, (its his wish and beauty or liking is relative concept)she may probably meet someone who is more great in moral values, mind, status, character, or looks! and this person who knows may fall head over heels in love with this lady!
  
  THERE IS NO QUESTION OF THRASHING OF EGO!!! ITs just liking differs.
  
  in minsara kanavu...
  
  Kajol liked p.deva than arvindswami!
  How many of us, would be like that? Does it mean arvindswami is not worth living? or does not have anything admirable???
  
  ec, hope I did not hurt u.
  regards,
  Shakthi
  
  
• From: ec (@ bryant.rz-berlin.mpg.de) on: Thu Nov 28 07:55:17
  
  Shakthi, thanks for the wonderful comment and i am not at all hurted :-)
  
  I also feel that external appearance won't play a big part in real love. Only arranged marriages centre around beauty, money, status etc. ...thats my humble opinion. Getting hurted by others comments, opinion is based on what we weigh: if we think beauty is an essential thing, then naturally we will feel bad when somebody humiliates us on that ground. If we are convinced that its not that important, then we just ignore all those comments, actions aimed just at pricking us. This is what we call as maturity, ain't it?
  
  So if one understands what he/she is and what he/she wants in life, then he/she can identify the right person to share life.
  
  But mostly love comes very early, before the mind attains maturity. When i hear from some youngsters whose love got rejected based on beauty, job, caste and all, i really get angry. Though the mind is aware of the fact that it has escaped from committing a blunder ie., marrying that person, the failure, the spoiled web of dreams, stays forever in the heart.
  
  Also in some cases the love of even the so called matured people ends up in failure for some other reasons...Fate really shows its presence! In that case the ego i mention doesn't refer to the external factors like beauty, money... but morality. Many would like to love once and get married to the same. When it doesn't happen then things become really worse. Because a person whose ego is based on his/her morality, getting married to another becomes next to impossible! Especially when the reason is not either of the two but fate!
  
  These are just my observations and feelings. I am happy that i could share with you all, here. So thanks a lot Shakti and Iyappan.
  
  
• From: ec (@ bryant.rz-berlin.mpg.de) on: Thu Nov 28 08:03:08
  
  Request: another one i wrote a month ago - "azhugai". May be because of the title it didn't receive any visitors, i don't know :-) I would really appreciate your comments on that, which being my first kavithai thread in this forum. Thanks for that, shakthi and iyappan. That is about the difference between human beings and other lower creatures in facing losses!
  
  I am sorry that many of my so called poems (!) reflect sorrow. But thats my limitation. I feel like writing only about deeper emotions or about nature. Your comments will help me to improve my writings.
  
  
• From: cobra (@ ) on: Tue Apr 22 05:00:01
  
  poikara pombalainge irukura ulagathile ambalaiyum sernthu aliyurange...munnorgal sonnargal athu poi alla.." penngalai nambathe kanngale penngalai nambathe" feeling irukura varaikum love pannuvalunge..apuram inoruthan mele feeling pochuna avan kude povalunge...indhe kalathu pennmanigal!! che
  
  
• From: cobra (@ 219.93.209.42) on: Tue Apr 22 05:02:31 EDT 2003
  
  nalla pombalaiku ketta ambalai tunaiya kidaicha enna aagum? athe polathan nalla aambalaiku ketta pombalai tunaiya kidaicha...vaalkaiye naragam...penngal thaikulamnu ethuku solrange? penngal ellam punithama irundhange andhe kalathule..ippo ..kalyanam panniyum purusan veetule illathe samayam vere oruthan kude padukai araiyile...chii.. ipadi patta pombalai irukura ulagathule ambalai mattum enna vidhi vilaka? ambalai kettu porathuku ketta pombalaiyum oru karanam
  
  
• From: Tharsan (@ px2wh.vc.shawcable.net) on: Mon Sep 22 19:52:11
  
  Hi...I have brokedn heart..my girlfriend is started ignoring me.. I didn't do anything to her but we had a conversation about some issues.. I was mad with her. These things turn her on against me... I do really love my girlfriend..
  
  I believe she wont' forgive me.. she is a wonderful person but I dont' know why is she doing all this to me>>>>
  I'm dying .. love is pain that's one of the valuable lesson i learned over from our 3 years relationship...
  
  what should i do?> I begged her.. i cried and everything didn't work out? i have crazy things going on my mind...
  need some serious help
  
  
• From: shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on: Tue Sep 23 02:06:30 EDT 2003
  
  tharsan,
  
  time would heal u... and answer u
  
  btw,
  
  plz post such things in misc section.
  
  I remember an english saying..
  
  "If u love someone
  let him/Her go
  if she is back
  she is urs
  if she is not
  she never was"
  
  god bless u
  
  
• From: Pavalamani Pragasam (@ dialpool-210-214-8-149.maa.sify.net) on: Tue Sep 23 21:46:04 EDT 2003
  
  Iyappan, ec & Shakthi have given sensible opinions about the matter.Cobra is bitter & pessimistic. Pombala kettathai aambala kedurathukku kaaraNamaa sollalaamaa? Pombala kedaamma irukka vaikka thavikkiRavangka enna maathiri irukkuraangka.Ambala kettaa avanOda pombalaikku manasu puNNaakum. Pombala ketta ulakamE kuttisuvaraayirum.Tharsan need not feel so dejected over an insensitive woman.
  my serious doubt: ivvaLavu karuththukkaL koNdavarkaL avaRRai "kavithaikku kavithai" thodaril En veLiyidakkUdaathu? Thuvangki vaiththavarE ettip paarkkaathathu aachcharyam!
  
  
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