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| ananth222 wrote: | ok man if you think orchestation in cheeni kum is "flat", then you are a musical genius and we are all low worms. IR's orchestration in cheeni kum is itself good enuf for us.
but personally I think some people just can't stand cheeni kum's success. |
I said his recent albums not just CK. Do we have to be geniuses to make any statement/opinion about movies/songs? If yes, then they should release them with a tagline "meant for geniuses only".
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Hulkster wrote: |
Haiyo...orchestration is different instrumentation is different...
What your talking about is instrumentation...i agree that the synth sounds dunt sound so good..but its not that IR loves synths...he wants to use live orchestra and has commented once that for all the tax he pays the government does not provide him with a orchestra...that is why he is sticking with synth sounds for now...you cant expect him to do every movie with budapest orchestra can you...?...can understand your fustration..but its IR fustration as well  |
I know the difference. But your instrument/sound choices will make your orchestration either cool or bad. IMO, IR's choices sound bad nowadays. After listening to his 80s compositions, I can't be satisfied with his current output. IR made that statement when he was at his peak (in 1990??) and I didn't/don't buy that. In 80s, did he use Budapest orchestra for all his live orchestra compositions?
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| rajasaranam wrote: |
Listen to :
ithu oru kanaakaalam
vikram
my dear marthandan
thathom thalaangu
Om namaha
Oh butterfly
You will know that he was way ahead of everybody else in understanding synths/new sounds. It is now us who are not able to adjust to his synths/new sounds having feasted upon his live orchestra feel. Iam still sure IR's understanding of synth/ new sounds is way ahead of other MD's, whose synth'N'sounds are too jarring, and we are not yet able to grasp it.
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IR was way ahead in using cool sounds before synths invaded the scene. He needs to balance between acoustic with syths instead of going for synths alone. Just imagine ennai thalatta varuvalo with acoustic drums accompaniment, it would have taken the song even higher.
Anyway I just want to end the digression here, enjoy the CK songs guys.
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| MrJudge wrote: | Just imagine ennai thalatta varuvalo with acoustic drums accompaniment, it would have taken the song even higher.
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Actually i completely agree with Judge here.
Not just with "Ennai thalatta varuvalo", there have been quite a few songs like that in recent times. Percussion is the first main culprit. Acoustim drums kuda vendam, aana synth-liye the rhythm could sound much better...
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: |
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A short but positive review on CNN-IBN:
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/tune-into-sweet-sounds-of-cheeni-kum/40971-8.html
The reviewer is not aware that IR has done many original hindi films before and also that the tunes in cheeni kum are reworked from IR's classics rather than being original.
But, in a way, I am happy because he has not listened to the originals and still liked these.
BTW, how many direct hindi films IR has scored music for? AFAIK, its Kaamagni, lajja, shiva 2006...is that all? I am excluding multi-lingual films (even dubbed) like hey-ram, MX, etc.
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Nice review from a blogger
http://www.moviewalah.com/review/2007/05/18/music-review-cheeni-kum
what I liked is
he doesn't know original songs
he even doesn't know much about Ilaiyaraja (atleast his South Indian scores)
he didn't give a biased review because he is neither IR fan nor IR hater
| Quote: | Sooni Sooni - Vijay Prakash
Begins like the male version of the title track, Sooni Sooni soon makes its own identity. One of the best songs of the album, I have been hearing it again and again*. ..... Very impressive! And also this song has that R D Burman touch**. Ilaiyaraaja makes somewhat similar usage of instrument here. Can't wait to watch this on screen.
Jaane Do Na - Shreya Ghoshal
This is the only song in the album which did not impress me much***
Theme Melody and Saxophone Melody
Towards the end of the album there are two instrumental numbers. First, Theme Melody .....sound similar to "Look Chhup Look Chhup Jaao Na..." from Amitabh's Do Anjaane****. Hear both and tell me if I am the only one who thinks that. |
* Exactly my thoughts
** Is it?
*** I agree, it require some repeated listenings, after, it will addict
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I have never felt this, till yesterday when I was hearing "Sooni Sooni"..
Just do this..
Sing yourself the ending of "Mandram vandha.." Charanam - "Sondhangale illaamal...poove un vaazhkkai thaan enna SOLL"
And the ending of "Kaadhal rojaave.." pallavi -
"Ennaaanadho Edhaanadho soll SOLL"
Don't you see a striking similarity ? 
Surely Maniratnam would have referred Mandram vandha to Rahman for a similar tune for a similar situation of the separation between the married couple.. |
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| raja_fan wrote: | I have never felt this, till yesterday when I was hearing "Sooni Sooni"..
Just do this..
Sing yourself the ending of "Mandram vandha.." Charanam - "Sondhangale illaamal...poove un vaazhkkai thaan enna SOLL"
And the ending of "Kaadhal rojaave.." pallavi -
"Ennaaanadho Edhaanadho soll SOLL"
Don't you see a striking similarity ?
Surely Maniratnam would have referred Mandram vandha to Rahman for a similar tune for a similar situation of the separation between the married couple.. |
That was a cool find Raja_fan.
I can hear footsteps of Rahmaniacs, rushing with hues and cries that, they sound totally different. For them, when HJ does the same thing, it's a lift and when ARR does, its a slight!!?? inspiration 
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| Quote: | Jaane Do Na - Shreya Ghoshal
This is the only song in the album which did not impress me much |
Oh man! This is the song I love in CK. Shreya just rocks and a perfect melody!
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