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Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:51 AM
Topic started by Chiranjeevi (@ 202.9.169.38) on Fri Mar 2 09:00:36 EST 2001.


It is beyond doubt that MSV has served the tfm industry in its golden period. His tunes are still ringing on the air beyond generations. In an era of lacking facilities, non digital, full orchestra, single track recording, MSV has done great tuning, orchestration and a variety of rhythm arrangements. This doyen has no replacement in the industry and is unique. His melodies are still listened to in the radio, TVs and also sung in almost all the stage performances.

This great master with a variety of voices in his songs, variety of lyrical beauty with outstanding lyricist, has NOT GOT EVEN A SINGLE NATIONAL AWARD RECOGNITION TILL DATE. SO WAS THE CASE WITH HIS SINGERS LIKE TMS, SIRKAZHI GOVINDARAJAN, PBS etc., who worked for tfm.






Alphabetical list of songs discussed with audio links:

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/lyrsort.php?t=1794

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Melodies and fame through the melodies are greater than the national awards. That should have been the philosophy of MSV and singers of his golden days.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Sure for this senior maestro who has influenced all the MDs to be awarded with a national recognition very soon. He deserves it than any other MD. The longivity of his everlasting hits will stand proof.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Ha, this is the thread I was looking out for.

MSV did all his songs with TMS and Suseela in late 60s. All were super hits no doubt and as usual there was a blind following by other Music directors, (-like what is happening today) to blame the market and used the same voices.

Many singers suffered lack of oppurtunities. Some singers like Loganathan, Sirkazhi and AM Raja were branded with different styles like Philosophical songs which came rarely.

Now the whole scene has changed, Thankless job has resulted MSV to listen his own songs commented as MGR song, TMS song etc.,in literally all TV interviews without bothering to mention his name and as usual the tfm field which ignores seniority does it to him as well.

One good thing with MSV is his everlasting melodies, of course, his rapport with the fans and masses, his appreciation to young music directors and singers and his being an embodiment of humility. He is being too good (eg. assists and plays harmonium for Ilarajas ?stage singing) to every body without differentiating.

This quality which is unique with senior musicians should not be taken as a testimony for all the cases, for he has praised unworthy people as well.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Poor old lion of film music.

He should try something in this new trend with voices AR Rahman, YSR - Screechy and squeeeky!

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Why didnt he use Sirkali in 70s and 80s is questioned in a different forum. Does anybody have a genuine answer? Or is it because he had lesser number of films than IR who was doing more at that time. Is it true that after Annakili MSV called IR for assisting his music?

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
MSV is great..

Most postings talk about his famous duets. But MSV is a great orchestrator and composer.

Just listen to "Pattatthu Rani.." in Sivantha Mon..And "Yengay Nimmathi..." in Putiya Paravai..And "Mutthamo Mohamo.." in Parakkum Pavai.. These are far far ahead of time in TFM music those days. Sometime I think MSV exceeded even the best of IR we have seen. I mostly grew up in IR's period but when I listened to MSV's I get this impression.

One of his GEM of GEMS is

"Mangayaril Mahrani.." What a tune man !

These things are to be preserved for generations to come.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
how about
" paartha gnabagam illayo?- puthiya paravai
pesuvathu killiya
anubhavam pudhumai" -kaathalikka neramillai
the orchestration is simply astounding. it gives the listener goose pimples

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
MSV and Kannadasan, Oh what a combination. Ive seen MSV crying with tears whenever he talks about Kannadasan,. Whatever said and done those days, the titles with which they were called were 'natural' and not put on like present days thendrals, puyals and gnanis. Kaviyarasu meant Kannadasan, Mellisai Mannan for MSv, Nadigar thilagam Sivaji, Makkal thilagam MGR and so on.
Long live MSV the great maestro.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
usmaan bhai,
paavam ivargalin pizhaigalai poruthu arulvom. kannadasan & visu-ramu/ visu were made for each other. it is only fortunate that we are able to take a plungeinto the ocean that they have left us & come with muthukkal everytime.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Well to me, MSV's & other musicians' music couldn't penetrate in me. Their music all seems to be juz song accompanyment. Nothing more.

I feel only gnani's music alone can do that. And he don even need lyrics to support. His music seems to be a class of its own...juz flows into ur blood...u noe wat i mean.

Only he seem to have done that and still doing that.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Ravi ksr - There is no doubt that MSV is a king of orchestration. He is the only music director to have dictated notes straight, with his harmonium and created a harmony with a hundred piece orchestra those days, extempore, with all the musicians around in the recording studio, doing a single time recording with the singers.

Not like the recent trends with seperate track recording punching system with which people give all craps.

Ambleen - I disagree to what you say. Your tastes are not eternal. Just try listening to such numbers which is soaked in your blood after six more months. You will know your status then. MSV tunes, be it 1960/70/80/90, you cannot end a day without listening to his compositions, especially with the combination of TMS,PS and Kannadasan. They have stood the test of time and are already in the circulation and nerves of millions and millions of tfm fans. This is no secret. Be practical and sensible.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Ambleen - "? Gnani still doing?" Ha Ha! Are you joking?

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
MSVs service is phenomenal. Name anything in film music industry and he has it, a good sample for it.
Traditional literature - Vinayagar agaval in the film Namm Kuzhandaigal.
Navagraha Krithi - A song on Navagrahams in the film Ganga Gowri. All of the above sung by Seeyazhi Govindarajan in 70-80.

Bharathidasan songs - Thamizhukkum Amudhendru per, Sanhe Muzhangu, Pudhiyador Ulagam seivom.

Bharathiyar songs- Sindunadiyin misai nilavinile, Sinnanchiru kiliye(latest version in SAChandrasekars movie), Nallador veenai seidhe in Varumayin niram sivappu.
Hundreds and hundreds of kavidhais of-
Kannadasan, Pattukkotai, Vaali, and other lyricists, composed with melody and without disturbing the lyrical or voice beauty.

He cent percent has Everlasting film hits.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Hi all,

It is happy to see that there are people with good knowledge on MSV music, who, undoubtedly, is the biggest trend setter in TFM till date.

His versatality is unique. What a variety of tunes(even based on same ragam) for variety of situations (bhavam) sung by variety of singers!!!
He has handled with great ease all the systems of music ( Carnatic, Hindustani, Western , Pop, Folk etc.) with his own stamp. In a period of Jambawans in Hindi film world, his tunes stood very unique and different. Even, if we look at the style of his music in every decade from 50s to 80s (till when he was active), it is very much different for every decade. Most of all, his tunes were simply matchless and as a creative person, it is very difficult to imagine such flow of music. ( Someone has written about "Mangayaril Makarani". Can some one forget, "Yamuna Nadhi inge" (Gouravam), "Karpanaiyo Kai vandhado " (Malathi) and so on.......?

I had a pleasant opportunity to meet MSV at his residence for about 45 min after 8 PM 5 years back. I just went to meet him without any notice. I never expected, such a great person would entertain an ordinary person like me for 45 minutes and talking about music. If anyone can join me, we might have an intense session with MSV (purely on his music).

All certain done, I think he has not been given the due recognition he deserves. Only his time tested music provides the answer for this also.

It would be very nice, if we analyse his music in TFM (with our own limitations).

Jeyaram

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
hI
MSv just released book(22 dec).I don't have details of the same.pl let me know from where we can buy the same.
Ramesh

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Biography Release Report:
Biography on MSV written by Rani maindhan
6.30 PM 20-DEC-03 Saturday

It was a great evening filled with Emotions.

Stalwarts in a stage. Yes Naushad,MSV,V.Dakshinamoothy,T.K.Ramamoorthy,T.R.P appa,Vaali,S.P.Muthuraman,K.Balachander,Sivakumar, P.B.Sreenivos,A.VM.Saravanan,Cho,Illayaraja,DD Director Natarajan,Nalli kuppusamy,R.M.Veerappan.

I was blessed to See all in one hall/one stage

& you will not believe, down the stage along with me were the others from film industry/Writers .
yes, Pughazendhi,Balakumaran, R.C.sakthi,Seerkzhi sivachidambaram,Bharadwaj,Deva,Muthulingam,Kamakot iyan,Poovilangu mohan,Nagesh,Rajesh were present..

The programme started off with a kid singing Kurai ondrum illai
Since naushad ali had to leave early he released the book & Veteran V.Dakshinamoorthy received the first copy.

Naushad praised MSV (in hindi translated by PBS)

then Naushad Left .. till that time MSV was standing.. He sat only after Naushad Left.

AVM Saravanan started off the Programme with his speech.Sivakumar followed. He cited many songs in many Category and mentioned TMS,Seerkazhi,PS,PBS & VJ.He also cited some of the pages from the book.
All others speech were short & sweet..

KB's speech was filled with emotions..
Illayaraja -- Sang the Malai pozhudin & said PS's Singing & MSV-TKR's tune brought me life..

Illayaraja said what ever fame he's got till now , is the Guru Kanikkai .. he said i'll surrender those at MSV's feet..

Last was Vaali.. KB,Sivakumar all said we've got time before Vaali because Once Vaali starts we will not have anything to speak & his speech will be speech of the Day ..It was true..

Vaali said .. MSV'ya paarkum mun enakku ore PASI
MSV'ya paartha pin naan ore BUSY..

He said indha vittil pochai vimanam aakiyavar MSV..

Naan ingu nirkiren endral andhu MSV'yal than

he remembered many incidents ...

PBS spoke in Praise of MSV by singing Paal vannam, hindi song, Pon enben..

Finally MSV delivered his speech

It was a Great Evening

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Illayaraja said what ever fame he's got till now , is the Guru Kanikkai .. he said i'll surrender those at MSV's feet..


ithu thaan IR. avarukku egonnu solra ellorumkkum IR in intha mugam oru arimugama irukattum. intha humblesnessukku pinnadi entha business venturum illai, entha thoodhi paadalum illai. manasukku pattathai aapdiyae pesura oru kuzhanthai madri enga IR evalavo usarathukku poitaar. let MSV and IR live longer and cherish their emotional relationship.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
listen to songs of Avanthaan Manithan, Anbe Vaa, Ulagam Suttrum Valibhan, Ninaithaaley Innikkum, Aayirathil Oruvan,Thangapathakka, Gauravam - with songs super hits, and how? see the majesty of the compositions. Royal Tunes, royal passages, cannot find a flaw in those tunes and so suited for the personalities of Sivaji and MGR. IR saying that is nothing surprising, because IR had to find another way to define musical personality as the best one came from MSV!

BUT, THE BEST NEWS IS THE BIOGRAPHY AND HOPEFULLY MORE SUCH BIOGRAPHIES OF OTHER COMPOSERS ALSO COME OUT.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
" The programme started off with a kid singing Kurai ondrum illai
Since naushad ali had to leave early he released the book & Veteran V.Dakshinamoorthy received the first copy. "

exactly that Kurai Ondrum Illai!!!!

i missed this one. I didn't know that VDak was still alvie. V Dak was the closest to MSV is the traditional sounds and MSV style tunes, flawless and in a ways dark type feel in the tunes - comprising, sentimentality, nature evocativeness, classical, temple sounds, heart breaking - good example - Valayku Vankiya Veena late 60s Malyalam. (don't forget Nanda En Nila by SPB in a Tamil film)

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
In the days when I used to travel often to Bangalore I would take the auto from Adyar via FS Estate to Central and there at 9.15 pm on a Sunday evening you would find MSV walking around talking to the common folk and high and mighty alike. His daughter has told me that one time MSV would walk out for a coffee around the corner and wouldn't get back home until evening tiffin having eaten at everyone's place here and there. The man's warmth is boundless and his effortlessness and natural gift for music is a treaure forever. Yet with all that it is difficult to get him to talk about himself. And MSV the singer? That's another chapter/book by itself. When will we get to hear IR and MSV sing together with just a harmonium and guitar between themselves? Do we have to wait for deivasankalpam? And IR as usual had to at a function felicitating MSV come there as a student. While one can write volumes about this gnani's music, the book about his character hasn't been written yet. It awaits the work of a scholar - one who is yet to be born. IR's greetings to MSV reminds me of Mammootty's tribute to Sivaji where he said that at the moment of the thespian's death he stood just as another one of his millions of grieving fans. I have been listening to Rafi everyday for the last one week to and from work - it starts with Chaudvin ka Chand and goes on thru "Man tadpat hari sharshan ko aaj" (Baiju Bawra) and yesterday I heard Ulagam Sutrum... I don't know where Naushad ends and MSV begins. Who do I thank? Kurai ondrum illlai

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Andd now comes the news of MSV receiving the ISai Peraignar award from Tamizh Isai Sangam. How apt.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
The award had to wait so long for itself to get honoured.

The mere attendence of stalwarts like Naushaad, V.Dakshnamoorthy, IR etc shows two things:

1) The musical genius of MSV
2) THE PERSON MSV

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
hi
you rightly said "The award had to wait".
I bought this book yesterday. Specific mention from IR and you shoud read it to experience the emotion. Last line from IR "I am surrendering all my fame&recognition (if at all I earned all these years) to MSV feet. Rare gesture from IR to genius.
Ramesh

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Some more excerpts from MSV book in AV

http://www.vikatan.com/av/2003/dec/28122003/av0504.shtml

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
As for "Kurai ondrum illai" I remember MSV mouthing a few bad words about cinema ulagam being a world with no gratitude. This was, I believe, during SPB's 30th-anniversary-in-cinema function.

Gangai Amaran was the chief presenter and he had excellent words of praise for MSV and said everybody, including IR, learnt a lot from MSV.

TKR's statement is a little intriguing, though.

Oldposts
02-05-2005, 06:52 AM
Pennathur,

I long back told about this humbleness of IR in one of the threads. I don't know whether you remember it or not.

MSV is gem and down to earth person whom everybody will love. From what I understand about IR from some of the inputs about IR is
1) He speaks his mind.
2) When somebody rubs him even slightly on wrong side, because of high self respect, he denies to work with them any further.
3) There was even a say earlier that he ill treated MSV!! This incident clearly proves it wrong.
4) Also IR is really loyal to people who are loyal to him.
5) He has a good integrity.
6) He don't like talking to journalists much.

While you see apparent humbleness in ARR and MSV, IR had that trait hidden. This is my opinion.

RR
02-05-2005, 06:54 AM
Receiving the Madhavapeddi Satyam Award, veteran music director M. S. Viswanathan said he had had the privilege of playing harmony at the recording of a song rendered by Satyam while he was working as an assistant with C. R. Subburaman. "He had blessed me then. Today, I am receiving an award named after him. I feel that whatever I have achieved is indeed a result of teamwork. Even today, I consider every new film I sign as my first film."

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/02/04/stories/2005020400360300.htm

Shankar.P
02-05-2005, 10:12 AM
Hi friends, visit

http://www.lakshmansruthi.com/musicdirectors.htm

and read M.S.V's profile. Those who wants 2 have some latest & rare images of M.S.V send feedback to
lakshmansruthi@eth.net

shankar.

gragavan
02-10-2005, 05:32 AM
Hi Shankar,

Thanks for the link. Nice collections. Keep it up. It is always nice to recall the don of past.

Regards,
Ragavan

jaiganes
02-10-2005, 08:51 AM
I was watching "Paava mannippu" in Raj Digital Plus (amazing channel!). Wonderful BGM work by MSV!!! Manidhan Maarivittaan song was made into a haunting melody without any accompaniments and used in the second half. The voice was not TMS or MSV. I wonder who it was? any ideas? The situation for "Silar Sirippaar, Silar Azhuvaar" was beautiful, so were the lyrics. MSV had done a neat experiment in that song. He had used the hindustani instrument of saarang in place of violin in the first interlude along with mridangam and tabela. The effect was moving and electric. On the whole a beautiful movie , wonderful songs (I deliberately left out Kaalangalil aval maargazhi) , crisp acting and superb BGM. A movie with stamps of MSV's genius all over it.

rajeshkrv
02-10-2005, 09:29 AM
It was G.K.Venkatesh's voice ..

jaiganes Athan enathan &
Paalirukkum were great numbers by PS from the same film

jaiganes
02-10-2005, 09:40 AM
strange, I happened to watch GKV later in 'Mella thirandhadhu kadhavu' in KTV!! Thanks for the info rajesh. who sang along with PS in 'paalirukkum '? some one called sai or it was GKV again?

rajeshkrv
02-11-2005, 02:23 AM
paalirukkum humming was by MSV himself

jaiganes
02-11-2005, 03:17 AM
Cool Rajesh! thanks for the info.
Beautiful melody, Beautifl lyrics and wonderful picturisation.
Thanks to Raj Digital Plus . They can improve on their programming by advertising such movies when they telecast it though. Wouldn't want to miss such gems when they are on TV.

scorpio
02-11-2005, 06:09 AM
Jai,

Did u see 'Rajarajacholan' yesterday night on Raj Digital?? Hell of an acting from Sivaji Ganesan and liked Lakshmi's acting too..

rajeshkrv
02-11-2005, 07:17 AM
yes it is a nice movie.
music by Kunnakudi vaidhyanathan

jaiganes
02-11-2005, 07:18 AM
yes!
The tussle between Sivaji and Muthuraman in the movie inspired SPMuthuraman in Nallavanukku nallavan, with Rajini and Karthik. The music was very good. Particularly Aedu kondaanadi thillayile! especially when S.Varalakshmi starts singing. She has got a sonorous voice(G.Ramanadhan used that voice beautifully in Veerapaandiya kattabomman for the immortal song 'Singaara kanne'). Pity that she didn't sing that many for MSV.

rajeshkrv
02-11-2005, 08:25 AM
yes jai her voice is different .

also Nadhanai kandenadi (by PS) for lakshmi is another gr8 song in that movie

gragavan
02-11-2005, 09:49 AM
yes!
The tussle between Sivaji and Muthuraman in the movie inspired SPMuthuraman in Nallavanukku nallavan, with Rajini and Karthik. The music was very good. Particularly Aedu kondaanadi thillayile! especially when S.Varalakshmi starts singing. She has got a sonorous voice(G.Ramanadhan used that voice beautifully in Veerapaandiya kattabomman for the immortal song 'Singaara kanne'). Pity that she didn't sing that many for MSV.yes jaiganes, she is a singer with unique voice. I too can trace only one song for Varalakshmi in MSV's music. "Pachai Killikoru". opps. one more song from Sivagangai Cheemai. It was Varalakshmi-JamunaRani duet, I guess.

Regards,
Ragavan

gragavan
02-11-2005, 09:51 AM
yes jai her voice is different .

also Nadhanai kandenadi (by PS) for lakshmi is another gr8 song in that movieCorrect Rajesh. Nathanai Kandenadi is a wonderful dance number and PS did well as usual. Even "Maathennai Padaithaan" song by LRE(forgot the cosinger) and "thanjai periya koyil" are also wonderful songs.

Regards,
Ragavan

thenraja
02-12-2005, 03:41 PM
gragavan,
It is MR Vijaya along with TMS, SPB and LRE who sang "Maathennai Padaithaan". Incidentally this is very uinque song in which all 12 tamil months are used .

vincent
02-22-2005, 02:20 AM
MSV & Ramamoorthy is revolutionist in TFM

viswapriyan
03-02-2005, 03:56 AM
While discussing the great melo's of Vi-Ra can any body forget the superlatively mellifluous number: "Anbu manam kanindha pinne accham thevia..." Aallukoruveedu - PBS & PS. Is it available online? Can some bosy help me please? I am yet to come across such a composition- IR&AR also failed me.

NOV
03-03-2005, 07:14 AM
Try here: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/singer.21/

viswapriyan
03-07-2005, 04:04 AM
Reply to NOV:
"musicindiaonline" did not contain the listing of "Anbumanam...." ALukoruveedu

viswapriyan
03-07-2005, 04:14 AM
I remember in this topic or the other mentioning about replacing lyric of one song by the lyric of another song in different melody, something unique to MSV ; e.g: the song "veedu varai uravu..." by "maambazhathu vandu...". But did you know another unique feature of MSV's composition: Just with the first line of a song you can hum thru entire melody of a song; that is, first line in the lyric alone will fit the melody of second, third ,.... last line of the same song.
Examples:

1. "andha maanai parungaL azhagu..." andamankAdhali
2. "veedu varai uravu..." pAdhakAnikkai
3."mAmbazhathu vandu..." sumaithAngi
4."pAlum pazhamum kaikaLil yendhi..." pAlum pazhamum
5. "chinna chinna Asai..." roja (this of course is ARR)

app_engine
04-27-2005, 03:09 PM
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=180157&disdate=4/27/2005

MSV/TKR felicitated...

rajasaranam
04-27-2005, 03:55 PM
Viswapriyan,

That cannot be attributed to MSV IMHO. Its the work of the lyricist to write a song in particular sandham for which MSV tuned. Even now if MD's Try composing for Prewritten lyrics abiding to sandham this can happen.

vijayr
04-28-2005, 09:42 PM
The entire charanam of "poove iLaye poove" from Kozhi Koovudhu fits what Viswapriyan says. You can sing the entire charanam up until "inikkum thene..." with just the first line of the charanam. I had mentioned it sometime back in DF. The charanam of MSV's "chandrodhayam oru peNNaanadho" was taken for comparison, that can be sung entirely with just the first line of the charanam as well

vijayr
04-28-2005, 09:45 PM
"Even now if MD's Try composing for Prewritten lyrics abiding to sandham this can happen."

BTW, Imann has recently said that he composed all songs of some recent film for pre-written lyrics. I found it hard to believe.

viswapriyan
04-29-2005, 06:21 AM
Rajasaranam & Vijayr
As I see it a "virgin" lyric is "raw" with certain sandams that orginated in the mind of the lyricist. But IMHO it is the ingenuity of the MD that gives it life, especially when he splits and arranges them. e.g: "avaLLukkena azhagiya mugam...." from "server sundaram" as done by MSV-TKR.

rajasaranam
04-29-2005, 04:00 PM
viswapriyan,

Accepted fully :) but my thought is when there is already some lyrics abiding to sandham its only a matter of permutation & Combination for coming up with a good tune. How well a MD does this is a question and MSV excells here for sure :D

saradhaa_sn
07-18-2005, 09:06 AM
I am Geetha Priya from Chennai.

I have gone through your website about the Greatest Musician "Mellisai Mannar" M.S.Viswanathan and feel more happy and proud about that genious. Somebody in the Comments side, criticised about him. Let us ignore them. There is nobody need to give certificate for his talent because his evergreen songs proves what a great music director he is. There is nobody is here to compare with him, including Ilaiyaraja and A.R.Rahman. Especially in Re-recording he is uncamparable with anybody. He is a living legend of music and he never told himself that he knows everything about music (like some other musicians).

For the present musicians, there are great facilities of medias to make popular about them, like TVs, Private Channels, Vedio Cassettes, VCDs etc. But at the time when MSV was composing music, there were not even Tape Recorders or Radios in every homes. There was even not Vividhbharathi station in Radio. In Madras Radiostation, they will allot only 30 minutes in morning and 15 minutes in evenings for Film Songs. At that period his songs have been carried to the ears of Tamil fans through Radio Ceylon only. (Hats off to Radio Ceylon). Among the very rare availability of medias, his songs have become this much popular and evergreen means it is nothing but through his uncomparable talents. The songs of present music directors are very seasonal and not evergreen, including Ilaiyaraja's. I can prove by many ways. Yes, nowadays nobody is hearing the songs of Annakkili, 16Vayathinile, Sigappu Rojakkal, Uthiripookkal, Murattukkaalai....and so on. But they still attracted by the songs of uncounted MSV tuned films such as Pavamannippu, Aandavan Kattalai, Padakotti, Aayirathil Oruvan, Karnan, Puthiya Paravai, Kaathalikka Neramillai, Vennira Aadai, Ooty varai Uravu, Kudiyirundha Koil, Apoorva Ragangal, Ninaiththaale inikkum....and so on. Even in Re-recording also he is the king. Ilaiyaraaja's all 500 movies will go down under the re-recording of 'Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban' and 'Sivandha Mann'. I request the fans of other musicians to watch the re-recoding of M.S.Viswanatha'n films and other's films and tell the truth by their open heart.

Thanks...

Geetha Priya.

(Thanks a lot to Geetha Priya, for using her comments here adopted from other website).

hehehewalrus
07-18-2005, 06:33 PM
nowadays nobody is hearing the songs of Annakkili, 16Vayathinile, Sigappu Rojakkal, Uthiripookkal, Murattukkaalai....and so on. But they still attracted by the songs of uncounted MSV tuned films such as Pavamannippu, Aandavan Kattalai, Padakotti, Aayirathil Oruvan, Karnan, Puthiya Paravai, Kaathalikka Neramillai, Vennira Aadai, Ooty varai Uravu, Kudiyirundha Koil, Apoorva Ragangal, Ninaiththaale inikkum....

HE HE HE HE :lol: :lol:

S.Balaji
07-25-2005, 01:44 PM
MSV IS A LIVING LEGEND

MSV IS A MUSIC UNIVERSITY

MSV IS EMPEROR OF THE WORD MELODY

HE RULED THE MUSIC WORLD LIKE A COLOSSUS

THERE IS NO NEED FOR SOMEBODY TO CERTIFY MSV NOW AS HIS OUTSTANDING RECORDS PROVE FOR THEMSELVES

THOSE WHO COMMENT ABOUT MSV - THEY HAVE NO IDEA OR CLUE ON WHAT MUSIC IS ALL ABOUT / WHAT MELODY IS ALL ABOUT

ILAYARAJA IS ANOTHER TREASURE TO TAMIL MUSIC. ANOTHER GENIUS

THE ABOVE 2 HAVE LEFT INDELLIBLE IMPACT ON TAMIL MUSIC WHICH NOBODY CAN MATCH OR COME CLOSE TO THEM. NO NOT EVEN AR REHMAN

FINDING THE BEST SONGS OF MSV IS LIKE SEARCHING FOR PEARL OR FISH IN AN OCEAN

FINALLY, MSV IS WELL KNOWN FOR MELODY BUT HIS RE-RECORDING WAS NOT THAT APPRECIATED WELL AS DURING HIS DAYS, RE-RECORDING WAS NOT GIVEN PROMINENCE. IT WAS THE SONGS WHICH WERE GIVEN IMPORTANCE. OTHERWISE, HE WOULD HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB ON THAT ALSO.

FROM AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING, MSV ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF THE HIGHEST STAGE IN TAMIL MUSIC. LETS HONOUR HIM .
THOSE WHO DONT KNOW ABOUT MSV , BETTER NOT OPEN THEIR MOUTH . THAT ITSELF WILL BE A WAY OF HONOURING THE LEGEND

mr_karthik
09-11-2005, 02:20 PM
[tscii:7e4a7724e7](This is the comment of Thiru S.Balaji, which is brought from other thread, as it suits for this thread also)

Dear Karthik,

When Mr. Sanjeevi mentioned something strange about MSV … Ennudaya manasu migavum varuthapattadhu…. How so easily one can denounce / defame / destroy an individual…

Its really really sad… to read such postings…. with comments like that .. but urfortunately.. .this is a discussion forum and everyone will have the right to express their mind and opinion……though they sound absurd and ridiculous..

BUT MY HUMBLE REQUEST TO EVERYONE IS…. PLEASE PLEASE ANALYSE A PERSONALITY BEFORE MAKING A REMARK……
Even MSV will not be affected by such postings of Sanjeevi but crores of fans’s hearts will feel the pain on reading such comments…….

MSV , from an ordinary assistant of another great Subbaiah Nayudu, rose to become one of the GREATEST MUSICIANS ever , Tamil Film industry had seen... AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANOTHER MSV… OR FOR THAT MATTER… ANOTHER IR….

Yes, Karthik…. What you mentioned about BGM was absolutely right…. Those days with primitive and limited technology, MSV and TKR created wonders……..and there are countless number of movies where in they excelled in everything including BGM…
Just wish to mention about NENJAM MARAPPADHILLAI…, ANBAY VAA….PUDHIYA PARAVAI……..ULGAM SUTTRUM VAALIBAN….

The list is endless.. Countless number of melodius songs….great interludes….with limited technology those days…..

Again, Mr. Sanjeevi, if you don’t know anything about MSV… better don’t comment .. you are only trying to wound the emotions of MSV’s fans… and MSV was always for his fans only… He is a mass entertainer…. MELLISAI MANNAR….The Undisputed king of Melody…

Those days… as Karthik rightly mentioned… the credit for a song will mostly went to the character who sang in the screen …. No one saw TMS or PS or SJ or PBS or AMR…or SPB…. Or KJY….
No one saw its MSV or TKR or KVM …. They all saw MGR and Shivaji….and Kannadasan….

Today, we realize that those songs which were composed 40 / 50 years before are still fresh and melodious and one wants to hear them again and again…..ITS NOT DUE TO COPYING….ITS DUE TO MELODY, CREATIVITY, DEDICATION TO THE JOB…COMMITMENT ….TO GET THE BEST OUT OF LYRICIST, SINGER… ACTOR / ACTRESS…..

Wish to repeat what Karthik had posted earlier as he had precisely reflected what kind of emotions and feeling I was going through ….

"PAvam MSV.
MusicnA enna, BGMnA enna, re-recordingnA enna, prelude, interludenA ennannu theriyAtha andRaiya rasigargalukku mathtiyil avar acheive pannittu poyitAr. AppO irundha 'maramaNdai' rasigargaL avaigaLai MGR padam, Sivaji padam, MGR pAttu, Sivaji pAtu appadeennu pArthAngale thavira, music pathiyum adukAga avar uzhaithadhai pathiyum therinjukalai.

AnAl ippO irukkinRa vivaramAna rasigargaL , MSVyin songs ippO ketkumbOthu 'adEyapA, appavE idhellAm pannitArA'nnu Achariyam adaigiRArgaL (sanjeevi ponRavargaLai thavira).

kAlathAl azhiyAtha avarudaiya padaipugaLE avar thiRamaikku sAtchiyAga nilaithu niRkum"

Lets salute the Senior Maestro MSV .. the LEGEND…..

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puyal
09-28-2005, 11:44 PM
Recently, I heard the songs from 1983 Saranalayam...

1) Indru Katrukkum Malarukkum Kalyanamam Ingu Ganakarun kuyilgal katcheriyam... by Malaysia Vasudevan and Vani Jeyaram
2) Ezhudhugiral oru pudhukavidhai vanna iru viziyal indha poongodhai.. by Malaysia Vasudevan

Wow Fantastic songs... Lyrics so good... music is very apt...

Can we the collection of MSV hit songs which appeared during the period of IR. It is good to analyse how IR and MSV did differ in producing the music contemporarily....

Puyal

puyal
09-28-2005, 11:53 PM
From Pollathavan, 1980

1) Adho Varandi Varandi Villendhi Oruthan Ammamma Edho Edho sonnanamma.... by SPB, dont know the female singer... but very nice song.... when the female singer sings

From Enna Thavam Seidhen, 1977

2) Yedho Oru Nadhiyil Naan Iranguvadhai Pole Yedho Oru Inbam Nee Arughil Irundhale... by SPB and P.Susheela (I think)...

Let me know if the information is not correct...

Thanx
Puyal

S.Balaji
09-29-2005, 05:45 AM
Can we the collection of MSV hit songs which appeared during the period of IR. It is good to analyse how IR and MSV did differ in producing the music contemporarily....

Puyal

Puyal...

It will be an interesting analysis but as I was a witness to the rise of IR and end of MSV era.... it will be very sad to analyse... as IR was totally dominating right from the beginning... I mean from 1976 onwards.... IR infact scored around 40 movies in 1979 and 1980 ! while MSV was steadily declining...from the mainstream....
IR's progression was arithmatic... while MSV was ( as it happens to all Greats... and which happened to IR as well in the late 90s) declining in performance...

Ok... My favourite pick of MSV during the IR era will be ... NINAITHALAY INIKKUM.... Amazing.... that MSV could produce such a melody in when he was almost over the hill....
Ofcourse... the next one could be Varumayin niram sigappu.....
MSV had in his kitty MGR and Shivaji movies....but after MGR becomming CM he lost that opportunity...
Shivaji ..right from Deepam, Pataakathi bairavan, Vetrikku oruvan, THyagam, Naan vaaza vaipen, ...... were are taken over by IR....
and MSV lost that as well....
Only KB and few others used MSV....
It was a new trend with giants like Barathiraja, Bagyaraj, IR, Balu Mahendra, Mahendran started taking the centrestage and its natural that the old order.... MSV , ShankarGanesh ... others had to make their way out....

BUT MSV IS MSV...

EVEN AFTER 50 YEARS.... HIS SONGS WILL BE HEARD....

saradhaa_sn
09-29-2005, 01:14 PM
Dear Balaji & Puyal

It is a different analysis about MSV in IR period. As Balaji said it is a sad end of MSV, when IR raised along with new trended directors like Bharathiraja, Mahendran, Baghyaraj, Rudhraiyah, Balu Mahendra etc... along with the normal masala makers like SPMuthuraman.

But even after 1976, MSV survived for a certain period, but with very few movies.

After Deepam, Thiyagam, Nallthoru Kudumbam with IR, producer K.Balaji returned back to MSV and produced Billa, Thee, Theerpu etc, then he moved to Gangai Amaran (Vaazhve Maayam), Shanker Ganesh and Chandrabose.

After Murattu Kaalai with IR, the AVM returned back to MSV for Pokkiri Raja, in which songs are hit and movie run well.

K.Baghyaraj used MSV in 'Oru Kai Osai' and 'Andha 7 Naatkal', the best one I like from Baghyaraj. Songs were super hit.

During IR's peak period MSV met the hits, I mean successes in 1980 Deepavali, with three hits of Viswaroopam, Pollaathavan, Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu. IR gave hits Moodupani and Nizhalgal.

In 1979 "Ninaithaaley Inikkum" is a big aaruthal for MSV fans. Already Balaji told about that.

In 1981 Deepavali also MSV gave four hits: 'Andha 7 Naatkal, Thanneer thanneer, Pokkiriraja and Keezhvaanam Sivakkum.

Muktha gave a hit in 1979 'Avan Aval, Adhu' and Shivaji with 'Vaa Kanna Vaa' and Pilot Premnath.

But after that, his assistants and troup members started to move to IR. The main two assistants ran to IR were Govardhanam and GKVenkatesh.

In 1983 two of his movies run crossing 100 days. One is Aalayadeepam (Sreedhar) and Sirai (RCShakthi).

All Producers, Directors who were benefited by MSV during his peak, run after IR. Important some of them are: AVM, RMV, KB, Sreedhar, SPM etc.

MSV was fully dropped as an orphan, without any troup. Everybody expected that his assistant Joseph Krishna also will run to otherside. But he announced: "Mount roadil utkaarndhu pichai eduthaalum eduppene thavira, annanai vittu poga maatten".

Along with small troup of players, he compossed for Balan Movies "Valayal Saththam" in 1987.

1994 MSV has done a blonder mistake that, he joined again with his old collegue TKRamamoorthy, which was not accepted by most of the MSV fans.

As Balaji told, everybody has an end, and MSV met that end and now he is acting in TV serials and attending music oriented public functions (if anybody invite).

Hummmm...nothing more to write. Oru sagaaptham mudindhadhu.

S.Balaji
09-29-2005, 01:40 PM
Sharadhajiii,

Very informative and touchy posting....
Yes , I was one of those who witnessed the rise of IR and the inevitable fall of another legend MSV....

I wish to share with you all that when I was in India one year back... in Chennai.. I spoke to MSV over phone for around 5 minutes... and He was the same old MSV.... Very courteous and simple...

I just mentioned the following :

Ayya Neengal seidha saadhanai yaaralum seyya mudiyaadhu...

Aayirakannakaana paadalgal aayirakaankaana paadalgal.... Ennal edhai eduthu kurippittu solvadhu.... Anaal... Naan irandai solven...

1. Paavadai dhaavaniyil paartha uruvamaa
2. Paramsasivan kazuthilirundha paambu ketadhu....

I was in tears when I spoke to the Legend MSV.....

I also told him that ENGALAY PONDRA RASIGARGAL ELLAM BAGYASAALIGAL... ENENRAAL... UNGALAI PONDRA ISAI MEDHAIGAL VAAZNDHA NAATKALIL NAANGALUM VAANDHOM ENDRU ADUTHA THALAIMURAIYIDAM SOLVOM... PERUMAIYAAGA....

I also told him ... ETHANAYO NAATKAL EN MANASU KASHTAPADUMBOTHU UNGAL PAADALGALAI KETPEN... UDANAY MANASUKKU PUTHUNARCHI VARUM... MEENDUM THEMBAAGA VANDHU VIDUVEN...

You know what he said.... He just said that ELLAM IRAIVAN KARUNAI...

Then my mother spoke to Him for few minutes and he also invited us to his Santhome House... and he said we all should meet....
MSV sought the blessings of my mother as he also said that We artists do well only on getting inspired by Fans like you all.....


Unfortunately, I could not meet him as I had to move back to Mumbai..

But , definitely in my life... I will meet the Legend ... and exchange all my thoughts with him.....

I AM AMAZED BY THE SIMPLICITY AND DOWN TO EARTH ATTITUDE OF THE GENIUS.....

It was a memorable day for me.... as I could speak to one of the greatest Music Directors in Tamil Film industry....

Sanjeevi
09-29-2005, 01:40 PM
After Murattu Kaalai with IR, the AVM returned back to MSV for Pokkiri Raja, in which songs are hit and movie run well.


Pokkiri Raja was by IR not by MSV. :roll:

S.Balaji
09-29-2005, 01:45 PM
After Murattu Kaalai with IR, the AVM returned back to MSV for Pokkiri Raja, in which songs are hit and movie run well.


Pokkiri Raja was by IR not by MSV. :roll:

Sanjeevi...

I think you were the one who questioned earlier that MSV copied from Hindi movies.....

Again you are coming up with something wrong....


Pokiriraja was composed by MSV only....

You want the songs :

1. Vidiya vidya solli tharuven
2. Pokirikku pokkiri raaja

S.Balaji
09-29-2005, 03:10 PM
Some songs of MSV I could remember during the IR era...

Samudhra raja kumari.... From Engal Vaadhiyaar....

Raja vaaada singa kutti ... Dhisai maariya paravaigal

Mazai kaalamum panikaalamum...... Jayachandran with VJ

Illam sangeetham... Avan aval adhu

Maargazee pookalay.... Avan aval adhu

Vendum vendum undhan azagu... for Shivaji with SPB and VJ

more to come soon....

Sanjeevi
09-30-2005, 04:37 AM
After Murattu Kaalai with IR, the AVM returned back to MSV for Pokkiri Raja, in which songs are hit and movie run well.


Pokkiri Raja was by IR not by MSV. :roll:

Sanjeevi...

I think you were the one who questioned earlier that MSV copied from Hindi movies.....

Again you are coming up with something wrong....


Pokiriraja was composed by MSV only....

You want the songs :

1. Vidiya vidya solli tharuven
2. Pokirikku pokkiri raaja

Thanks.

If i am wrong in information, there is no problem to update the information. :)

saradhaa_sn
09-30-2005, 05:03 AM
MSV songs in IR era
-------------------------

Pilot Premnath (1980)
---------------------------
1) Ilangaiyin Ilanguyi Ennodu vilaiyaadutho (TMS & VJ)
2) Koppi thotta mudhalaalikku........... (LRE)
3) Azhagi oruthi ilani vikkiraa colombo veedhiyile (Kovai SR & LRE)
4) Who is the Black-sheep..... (TMS)

Varuvaan Vadivelan (1980)
----------------------------------
1) Varuvaan vadivelan.... (VJ)
2) Joyful Singapore... Colourful Malaysia... (SPB & PS)
3) Paaru samy paaru ival pazahaiya kurathi.... (PS & LRE)
and other songs........

Vandikaaran Magan (1980)
----------------------------------
1) Uzhaikum inamey udan pirapey (TMS)
2) Oru naadagam nadakuthu naatiley... (TMS)
3) Mediyil aadidum melliya poongaatrey... (TMS & VJ)
3) Paduthaal purandaal urakkamillai (SPB & VJ)
4) Oru pakkam neruppu... maru pakkam nilavu.... (LRE)

Billa
-----
1) My Name is Billa.... (SPB)
2) Vethalaiyai Pottendi.... sakthi konjam yerudahdi (M.Vasu)
3) Iravum pagalum enakku unmel kannottam... (M.Vasu & VJ)
4) Ninaithaaley inikkum sugamey..... (LRE)

I will continue..................

saradhaa_sn
09-30-2005, 05:23 AM
again........

MSV songs in IR era
------------------------

Annan Oru Koyil (1978)
-----------------------------
1) Annan oru koyil endraal (PS)
2) Annan oru koyil endraal (SPB)
3) Malligai mullai.... ponmani killai... (TMS)
4) Kumguma kolangal koyil kondaada... (VJ)
5) Naalu pakkam vedarundu.... (SPB & VJ)

Andhamaan Kaadhali (1978)
-----------------------------------
1) Andha maanai paarungal azhagu.... (KJY & VJ)
2) Ninaivaaley Silai seythu.... (KJY & VJ)
3) Panam ennada panam...panam... (TMS)
4) A song by TMS & PS for Chandramohan & Kavitha.

Thirisoolam (1980)
-----------------------
1) En Rajaathi vaarungadi.... (SPB)
2) Malar koduthen.... (TMS)
3) Thirumaalin thirumaarbil.... (KJY & VJ)
4) Irandu kaigal naangaanaal.... (SPB & KJY)
5) Kaathal Rani katii kidakka.... (SPB)

Megathukkum Thaagamundu (1981)
---------------------------------------------
1) Maragatha megam sindhum.... (SPB & PS)
2) Aadalaamaa.. anna nadai pinnalida... (PS & SPB)

Savithri (1981)
------------------
1) Mazhai kaalamum pani kaalamum sugamaanaivai... (VJ)
and other songs.....

Imayam (1980)
___________
1) Imayam kanden..... (SPB & PS)
2) Sakthi ennada..... (TMS & SPB)
3) Gangai Yamunai inguthaan sangamam... (KJY & VJ)

list will continue.................

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 05:26 AM
Andhamaan kadhali was one of the few memorable hits of MSV in the IR era....

1. Andhamaanai paarungal azagu - KJY with VJ
2. Ninaivaalay silai sedhu - KJY with VJ
3. Panam ennadaa - TMS solo

Imayam :

1. Gangai Yamunai enru dhaan sangamam - KJY with VJ
2. Kannilay kudiyirundhu - TMS
3. Sakthi ennadaa - TMS with SPB

Mangala vadhiyam - for Kamal

Shankar saleem simon - Rajini

Movie ?? - Adiyenai paaramma pidivaadham ennamaa - Jolly abraham and Sasirekha

47 naatkal - For KB - Maan kanda sorgangal..- SPB

Pattinapravesam ?? - Vaannilaa nilaa alla

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 05:30 AM
Keez vaanam sivakkum - Shivaji

1. kadavul ninaithaan - TMS
2. Paatu ondru - SPB with VJ


Idhu iravaaa pagalaa - for Sridevi and Kamal - movie ??

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 05:42 AM
In one's life .... he or she goes through one full circle.... What happened to MSV when IR established himself.... happened to the great IR himself in the mid 90s when another great ARR established himself... It was another shock to me as I never could imagine that there can be somebody who can challenge IR...
This is the irony of life..... One has to take it philosophically and carry on further... Its very easy to say but difficult to follow...
Especially when somebody is at the peak of fame and popularity .. suddenly gets challenged by another and the entire following moves to another person.... IT NEEDS TREMENDROUS ABSORBING POWER TO DEAL WITH HARSH REALITIES..
Another example was Rajesh Khanna... Who was a superstar before Amitabh took over by storm.... Rajesh had no clue on how to deal with the sudden change in life...
I believe he went to the roof of his house and shouted ...looking at the sky on what wrong he did and why he is down totally and suddenly.....

The moral is... ALL GOOD THINGS WILL COME TO AN END....

ULTIMATELY.... MSV AND IR ARE LIKE TWO EYES TO TAMIL FILM WORLD...

Both are genius in their own respect and are incomparable....

Both stood the test of times and came out successful and withstood all the challenges....

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 05:44 AM
Nool veli - KB - Another MSV composing in IR era

Illam sangeetham - SPB with VJ

Mounathil vilayaadum manasaatchiyay - Balamurali Krishna

saradhaa_sn
09-30-2005, 05:47 AM
Saroo again...........

MSV songs in IR era
-------------------------

The great "NINAITHAALEY INIKKUM" (1980)
------------------------------------------------------
1) Engeyum eppothum sangeetham sandhosham..... (SPB)
2) What a waiting what a waiting.. (kaathirundhen...kathirundhen) SPB
3) Namma Ooru singaari...... (SPB)
4) Jagame thandhiram...sugame mandhiram siva sambo.. (MSV)
5) Thatti ketka aalilleenna... (SPB)
6) Aanandha Thaandavamo.... (LRE)
7) Bharathi kannamma... (SPB & VJ)
8) Yaadhum oorey... yaavarum kelir..... (SPB & PS)
9) Inimai niraindha ulagam irukku...... (LRE & SPB)

Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu (1981)
-----------------------------------------
1) Paatu onnu paadu thambi..... (SPB)
2) Nallathor veenai seythey.... (SPB)
3) Sippiyirukuthu muthum irukuthu... (SPB & SJ)
4) Renga Rengaiya.. enge ponaalum... (PS)

Andha 7 Naatkal (1982)
-----------------------------
1) Enni irundhathu eedera.... (M.Vasu & SJ)
2) Thndralathu unnidathil solli vaitha.... (Jayachandran & SJ)
3) Kavithai Arangerum Neram..... (Jayachandran & SJ)

meendum varuven..........
Sarooo.......

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 05:55 AM
Saradhajiiiiiii

Sabaash..... Sariyaana poteeeee :o


Further list :

1. Thee - For K.Balaji - Rajini kanth

Ammavukku vayasirukku - Jayachandran with VJ

Varevaa raja edhu indira logam...... LRE solo

This came as a great relief to us those days as we were longing for a MSV movie

2.Savaal - Kamal and Sripriya - K.Balaji movie

1. Theriyum theriyum vishayam theriyum - SPB with PS
2. Nadinen - VJ solo



SOme movie ?? - Kalyani Menon - Nee varuvaa ena naan irundhen.... Melody was back briefly...

saradhaa_sn
09-30-2005, 06:31 AM
From 1976 to 1981, MSV movies for Shivaji:
-----------------------------------------------------
1) Rojavin Raja
2) Avan Oru sarithiram
3) Ilaya Thalaimurai
4) Naam Pirandha Mann
5) Annan Oru Koyil
6) Andhaman Kaathali
7) Ennai pol oruvan
8) Punniya Boomi
9) Justice Gopinath
10) General Chakravarthy
11) Thrisoolam
12) Imayam
13) Viswaroopam
14) Sathiya Sundaram
14) Amara Kaaviyam
15) Kalthoon
16) Maadi veetu Yezhai
17) garuda sowkiyama
18) Lorry driver Rajakannu
19) Hitler Umanath
20) Vasandhathil Or Naal
21) Vaa Kanna Vaa
22) Keezhvaanam Sivakkum
23) Sangili
24) Raththa Paasam
25) Pilot Premnath

From 1976 to 1981, Ilayaraja movies for Shivaji
-----------------------------------------------------------

1) Deepam
2) Thiyaagam
3) kavarimaan
4) Nallathoru Kudumbam
5) Naan Vaazha vaippen
6) Rishimoolam
7) Vetrikku Oruvan

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 06:47 AM
saradhajiiiiiiiii,

Eppadee appadee oru memory vachirukeenga... hats off...

Anaal anaal... Oru great IR for Shivaji movie vituteenga...

adhu... PATTAA KATHEE BHAIRAVAN...

1. Devadhai oru devadhai - SPB with SJ

2. Engengo sellum en ennangal - SPB with SJ

Both of one of my all time IR favourites......

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 06:51 AM
One mini digression...

Its really unfortunate that Shivaji had to act in movies like LORRY DRIVER RAJAKANNU... its was totally not needed at all.. I wonder what compulsions made him to act in such type of movies.
Wonder again .. it was directed by the great ACT !!

However, this movie came as a relief to us those days as two songs were hits :

1. Pakkam varavo ... SPB with SJ - melodious song
2. En enbadho - SPB with VJ

Truely a movie to forget...and to remove from the list of Shivaji movies...

saradhaa_sn
09-30-2005, 07:49 AM
Dear Balaji,

Sorry I forgot to include "Pattaakathi Bairavan", because I thought it was 1982. But actually it was released in 1981 only.
I also missed
'Dharamaraja'
'Mohana Punnagai'
'Oorukku oru pillai'
in MSV list.

As you mentioned, not only 'Lorry Driver Rajakannu', many movies in that list Shivaji no need to act.

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 08:03 AM
It was a great moment for MSV fans when the two legends joined together and composed for MELLA THIRANDHADHU KADHAVU...

One must thank R.Sundararajan for bringing the best out of both as he was well known for creating a beautiful situation and make the MD think and come out with a good number.
No wonder, if one analyses the movies of Sundararajan, we will realise that all the songs were memorable hits...

The songs of Mella thirandhadhu :

1. Kuzaloodhum kannanukku
2. Dhil dhil manadhil
3. Vaa venilaa
4. Ooru sanam
5. Thedum kann paarvai thavikaa

Even today we can hear these songs ... as they are so lovely....

I believe MSV was amazed by the rerecording skills of IR and openly appreciated him...

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 12:16 PM
MSV's son got married to Actress Sulakshana ( Thooral ninnu pochu fame ) I think... His name is Gopi .....

Later he also produced a movie .... SILK SILK SILK...

I think he burnt his fingers heavily in that movie....

VK Ramaswamy was another person who ventured into movies and earned and lost as well..

I wonder why they could not learn from others....

tvsankar
09-30-2005, 12:16 PM
Dear Balaji,
IR and MSV combination il one more film Sendhamiz paatu.Prabhu and Suganya nadithadhu.

1. Chinna chinna thural enna

2. Vanna vanna sol eduthu ingu

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 12:25 PM
Dear Balaji,
IR and MSV combination il one more film Sendhamiz paatu.Prabhu and Suganya nadithadhu.

1. Chinna chinna thural enna

2. Vanna vanna sol eduthu ingu

With Love,
Usha Sankar.

Add today's Vishwa Thulasi also to this list ! :o

rajeshkrv
09-30-2005, 03:15 PM
balaji,

you missed Dil dil dil manadhil by PS,SPB another gr8 number from MTK

S.Balaji
09-30-2005, 03:25 PM
balaji,

you missed Dil dil dil manadhil by PS,SPB another gr8 number from MTK

Rajesh...

I had already listed this song in 2 . above earlier.

Bye

mr_karthik
10-01-2005, 11:28 AM
After Murattu Kaalai with IR, the AVM returned back to MSV for Pokkiri Raja, in which songs are hit and movie run well.


Pokkiri Raja was by IR not by MSV. :roll:

"POkkiri rAjA" was compossed by 'Mellisai Mannar'

I am 200% sure.

mr_karthik
10-01-2005, 12:17 PM
From 1976 to 1981, MSV movies for Shivaji:
-----------------------------------------------------
1) Rojavin Raja
2) Avan Oru sarithiram
3) Ilaya Thalaimurai
4) Naam Pirandha Mann
5) Annan Oru Koyil
6) Andhaman Kaathali
7) Ennai pol oruvan
8) Punniya Boomi
9) Justice Gopinath
10) General Chakravarthy
11) Thrisoolam
12) Imayam
13) Viswaroopam
14) Sathiya Sundaram
14) Amara Kaaviyam
15) Kalthoon
16) Maadi veetu Yezhai
17) garuda sowkiyama
18) Lorry driver Rajakannu
19) Hitler Umanath
20) Vasandhathil Or Naal
21) Vaa Kanna Vaa
22) Keezhvaanam Sivakkum
23) Sangili
24) Raththa Paasam
25) Pilot Premnath

From 1976 to 1981, Ilayaraja movies for Shivaji
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1) Deepam
2) Thiyaagam
3) kavarimaan
4) Nallathoru Kudumbam
5) Naan Vaazha vaippen
6) Rishimoolam
7) Vetrikku Oruvan

Saradha madam,

I think you are having a mini computer in your brain. Because, most of the films you mentioned here will not come in memory soon, unless you are a veteran Sivaji fan.

Also I saw all your posts here, mentioning songs in the later period of MSV (Balaji sir also). When I read your post about details of the later stage of the great MSV with an ending 'Oru sagAptham mudindhathu', I melted like anything.

Balaji Sir,

You mentioned about the conversation with MSV by phone and pointed about his politeness. His politeness and innocency is well known (avarudaiya adakkamum, appAvithanamum ulagam aRindha ondRu). Once a director mentioned about his charector, MSV will call office boy also as "office boy anne".

I cant understand how you missed the great chance of meeting him, even after he invited you.

saradhaa_sn
10-03-2005, 02:32 PM
It was a great moment for MSV fans when the two legends joined together and composed for MELLA THIRANDHADHU KADHAVU...

One must thank R.Sundararajan for bringing the best out of both as he was well known for creating a beautiful situation and make the MD think and come out with a good number.
No wonder, if one analyses the movies of Sundararajan, we will realise that all the songs were memorable hits...

The songs of Mella thirandhadhu :

1. Kuzaloodhum kannanukku
2. Dhil dhil manadhil
3. Vaa venilaa
4. Ooru sanam
5. Thedum kann paarvai thavikaa

Even today we can hear these songs ... as they are so lovely....

I believe MSV was amazed by the rerecording skills of IR and openly appreciated him...

Dear Balaji,

MSV will always appreciate everyone with open heart without any EGO, and there is no surprise in it.

By the way, when everyone talking about 'Mella thirnadhathu kadhavu', they will pointing only about the music combination of MSV-IR, forgetting other aspects in that beautiful movie.

Recently I got oppertunity to watch that movie once again. Wow what a fentastic photography....!!!. Really ovvoru sceneum kannil oththikollalaam. Because a true Cameraman has worked for that movie and NOT A CAMERA SHAKER. Thatswhy we can enjoy each and every frame of the film.

If you watch it once again, you will realise it.

S.Balaji
10-03-2005, 03:27 PM
NOT A CAMERA SHAKER[/color]. Thatswhy we can enjoy each and every frame of the film.

If you watch it once again, you will realise it.

Anbu Sagodharee Saradha avargalay,

Ennudaya favourite Director R.SUNDARARAJANai marandhu vitergalay... :oops:
It was R.S. who was instrumental in getting the best out of MSV and IR :o

I have sent a PM to you. Pl reply....

Anbudan Sagodharan

S.Balaji
10-03-2005, 03:54 PM
[tscii:eb9609486e]In Mella thirandhadhu kadavu… as Sharadhajii rightly mentioned… it was fantastic camera work… hats off…. I wish to pick the best of the lot on picturisation….. KUZALOODHUM KANNANUKKU…..

App…. Had already posted about this song earlier in another thread on excellent picturisation...…. But I cant resist my temptation…to mention about this song again…..

Every shot in this song was beautiful and fascinating experience to see…..

FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL, I HAVE COPIED AND POSTED BELOW WHAT APP... HAD POSTED IN APPRECIATION THREAD... :



Well, to begin I want to nominate this great song:

KUZHALOODHUM KANNANUKKU KUYIL PADUM PATTU KEKKUDHA CUCKOO CUCKOO CUCKOO CUCKU

Beautifully sung by Chitra under MSV-IR combo for AVM's `mella thiRandhadhu kadhavu'.

The album itself is remarkable for the combination of MSV-IR, two legends of TFM. On top of that, it had otherwise decent backing too - AVM, R Sundarrajan, Radha & to a lesser extent, Mohan.

There's no need to discuss the greatness of this song...celebrated by many. Just want to mention the remark of a Malayali colleague (nalla rasigan) who does not understand much of literary Thamizh on this song, which was his most favourite at that point of time...

He'll sing (rather hum) the part `vandhAchchu chithira dhAn, pOyAchchu nithirai dhAn' with ecstatic expressions and say he melts every time this passage is played...

The same happens to Mohan on the screen (in the first stanza)...& I love his expressions for the phrase. Not for nothing this guy got so many beautiful songs...he is a real rasigan...After Mohanlal, he probably gives excellent facial expressions for good song phrases...

The situation itself is poetic...Mohan sits in a beautiful environ to play flute and stunned by a counter melody from a female...but cannot locate her and runs around in search of her...while Radha singing her heart out all the while playing hide-n-seek behind trees (Mohan does not find her till the end of the song...I don't know what happens after that as I haven't seen the movie)...

Radha gives all sensible expressions too - not much, not less, exact. We have often seen heroines doing ashta kONal (like KRV who shakes her head for every dialog / song phrase) or the other extreme (marakkattai mAdhiri oru uNarchchium illAdhiruppadhu - most northie actresses of recent times fit this)...Radha's expressions are lovely and each of her hiding behind a tree is interesting to watch...

The location is quite good too - hills / trees / water / lush (however it is in India and not some veLLaikkAra nAdu:-)

No obsene gestures / unrealistic dances...clean - clean, can watch with amma, appa, patti, thatha, mahan, mahal, pEran, pethi...And unlike some songs which look great on auditorium screen but dumb on TV, this is lovely on TV...

One of my favourite moments on this song (other than Mohan showing appreciation for my fav phrase) is Radha sitting on a rock and mildly rocking her knees for the following lines:
`kaNNA on vAliba nenja empAttu usuppuRadhA? kaRkaNdu sakkara ellam ippO thAn kasakkiRadhA'...

Watch & you'll know why I'm raving about this 15 year old song...fresh even today.[/tscii:eb9609486e]

S.Balaji
10-09-2005, 01:45 PM
Another song ( I have to really go back by 25 years almost ) to get memories of MSV songs during the IR era...

THis is from Oru Varisu uruvaagiradhu... Directed by Mouli

By SPB... ENDHAN POOVANATHIL INDRU VASANDHAM... MALARAY MALARAY THOOGADHEY....

Lovely song.... We could hear the old MSV touch in glimpses in this song.....

S.Balaji
10-09-2005, 01:48 PM
One melody I could recollect from MSV during IR number... PROBABLY THIS MUST BE THE LAST FEW NUMBERS OF MSV ...

In the movie. Janani...

MANNIKA MAATAYAA UN MANAMIRANGI....

I love this song .... Very melodious..... Could be the last of the melodies of the legend MSV....

Happy to see him in small screen atleast with his usual cheer.....

I will have to recollect his own number with Kavignar...

UYARNDHA IDATHIL IRUKKUMBODHU ULAGAM UNNAI MADHIKUM...

UN NILAMAI KONJAM IRANGI VANDHAAL NIZALUM KOODA MIDHIKUM....

umaramesh
10-18-2005, 10:48 AM
Hi Everyone
I have gone through all the comments. very interesting.
MSV is trend setter in TFM. Very hard to believe when you hear VENNIRA ADAI songs were composed 35 to 40 years back. I saw some new play back singer interview recently. She said her favourite comoser is MSV( I think she may be around 20) and she got thrilled about talking PS songs in VENNIRA ADAI.

As every one said we did not have cable TV/media hype/casssette release function etc but only Vivida bharathi&ceylon radio. Imagine live recording of ENNGAEY NIMMADHI/PATTHU RANI songs(those days we dont have track).You can see the quality even today with so much limitation. Balaji gave example from SURIYA GANDHI SONG but apt song for MSV is UNNENKANA MELLE NINRAI from SIMLA SPECIAL. He scored this album when IR was in peak.. One more all time favourite song KANNA KANNUM KANGAL MELLA from AGNI SATCHI. List goes on.

regards
uma ramesh

umaramesh
10-18-2005, 11:32 AM
I forgot to mention that songs from the film ENGA MAMMA. You can see something different in orchestra. As mentioned by some one MSV did it way ahead. My friend (a guitarist) who use to play for light music troup for the past fifteen years always use to talk PONMGAL VANDHAAL song from SORGAM. He says it is unbelievable that MSV did this song in 60's. :shock:

Same way PS song from AVALAKKU ENRU ORU MANAM(SRIDHAR MOVIE) MALAR ETHU ENN KANGAL THAN ENNRU SOLVAYNADI. we cannot imagine that type orchestra in 60's.

REGARDS
uma ramesh

saradhaa_sn
10-19-2005, 10:27 AM
Dear Uma Ramesh.

Nice to see your valuable postings in several threads, especially about the past. I am glad to read them, because I am one of the devoted fans of MSV. I hope you have read the previous pages of those threads, because some of the songs you have mentioned are been already analysed in detail in previous pages by several hubbers, including me and Mr. Balaji. He is the nice one to share about the past.

Hope we will see your valuable postings often, with more informations you know, to share with all of us.

reagrds, saroo. (my face is in my avathar)

S.Balaji
10-19-2005, 10:53 AM
I forgot to mention that songs from the film ENGA MAMMA. You can see something different in orchestra. As mentioned by some one MSV did it way ahead. My friend (a guitarist) who use to play for light music troup for the past fifteen years always use to talk PONMGAL VANDHAAL song from SORGAM. He says it is unbelievable that MSV did this song in 60's. :shock:

Same way PS song from AVALAKKU ENRU ORU MANAM(SRIDHAR MOVIE) MALAR ETHU ENN KANGAL THAN ENNRU SOLVAYNADI. we cannot imagine that type orchestra in 60's.

REGARDS
uma ramesh

Umaji....

Hearty welcome to TFM . From your postings, I understand that you are another keen follower of old TFM like Saradhaji and Ushaji....
Yes, the song... Malar edhu is a lovely song... Totally different style by MSV... the legend..... Infact this song gave a different dimension to P.Susheelaji....
This movie also saw some more lovely songs like :

1. Aayiram ninaivu - SPB for Gemini
2. Unnadathil ennai koduthen - SJ for Barathi

umaramesh
10-29-2005, 07:00 AM
Hi Everyone
Programme about MSV in Vijay TV. on 30th October at 7.30PM(IST). Titled as SIGARAM THOTTA MANITHRGAL. Enjoy and we will discuss it later.

ramesh

S.Balaji
10-29-2005, 12:52 PM
Hi Everyone
Programme about MSV in Vijay TV. on 30th October at 7.30PM(IST). Titled as SIGARAM THOTTA MANITHRGAL. Enjoy and we will discuss it later.

ramesh

Dear Ramesh....

We cannot get VIjay TV here....only SUn tv and that a recorded one..for a month....by DVD :oops:

These are some of the things we all miss as NRIs...

balaji
10-29-2005, 01:06 PM
S. Balaji
You forgot to add a great song from "avalukku Endru Oru Manam"
"Mangayaril Maharani" one of the best duest of SPB/PS was in that film, picturized on Gemini/Kanchana. If you listen closely, you will see SPB finding it difficult to pronounce 'LA" "LLA" as Kannadasan would have played with the words...

Excellent Song!

Bala

saradhaa_sn
10-31-2005, 08:52 AM
S. Balaji
You forgot to add a great song from "avalukku Endru Oru Manam"
"Mangayaril Maharani" one of the best duest of SPB/PS was in that film, picturized on Gemini/Kanchana. If you listen closely, you will see SPB finding it difficult to pronounce 'LA" "LLA" as Kannadasan would have played with the words...

Excellent Song!

Bala
Balaji + S.Balaji.....

You all forgot my favourite song by LRE in that movie:

"Ellorum paarka... en ullaasa vaazhkai
sarithaan ..po..po.. ini yen naanam
kanneeril ennai..aada sollungal ellorin munne..."

fentastic composition with tremendous trumpet play by MSV.

umaramesh
11-02-2005, 08:53 AM
Hi
I think AVALKU ENDRU ORU MANAM is fantastic album with full of innovation. MSV tried PS &Spb in different style.

MSV gave selected songs to LRE. I think because of TMS-PS wave LRE songs are not very much appreciated.

Song mentioned Sharada is one more example. Listen here voice in
THULLUVATHU ILLAMI SONG (KUDIRUNTHA KOVIL). she even challenged TMS in that song.

ramesh

app_engine
11-21-2005, 06:16 PM
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=223123&disdate=11/21/2005

This link has a young age picture of MSV...

madhu
11-25-2005, 10:02 PM
Hi !

I have one doubt..

in films like "mella thiranthadhu kadhavu" and "senthamizh pattu" where the music is said to be composed by both MSV and IR....

can anybody explain how they divided their work and participation ?

I heard that in MTK the songs for Radha like "kuzhaloodhum" and "ooru sanam" are by IR and for Amala like "vaa vennila" and "thedum kaN parvai" are by MSV...

is it true ?

S.Balaji
11-26-2005, 12:43 PM
[tscii:e9fe364812]MSV’s music underwent some changes in the style over a period of time ( probably the influence of men like Joseph Krishna and Henry Daniel ….MSVin valadhu karangal….Saradhajiii mentioned earlier in Mellisai Mannar thread that when everyone was moving to IR camp for their survival…. Joseph Krishna was the only one to stick on with MSV as a devoted disciple ) I think these assistants were instrumental in MSV using a lot of chorus…in some songs….

The chorus was prevalent in :

Devanay ennai paarungal….from Nyana oli

Oru raja raniyidam….from Sivandha mann ( a favourite song of Ushaji and Saro Chechi !! )

Azagiya thamiz magal ival …from Rikshawkaaran

Sorgam pakkathil…..from Enga maama

Malar edhu unkangal thaan endru solvenadee… a terrific number from Avalukendru oru manam ( a different MSV in this song…deserves a separate posting )

Anbu nadamaadum kalaikoodamay….from Dr. Siva ?

Ulagam…azagu kalaigalin surangam….from Ulagam suttrum vaaliban

Kaatrukenna vayleee…. From Avargal…a mild chorus type with full of swarajathi

Yaadhum ooray …yaavarum kayleer …from Ninaithaalay inikkum

One outstanding composition with terrific chorus used as an interlude which IMO…the best of the MSV hits ……. PONMAGAL VANDHAAL ..PORUL KODEE THANDHAAL….from the movie SORGAM…

The theme…….three thick friends….in pursuit of money and wealth……what challenges they come across in life…how each one counters….and finally getting adjusted to the ground realities in life…..

This movie was well known purely for this song….otherwise a pretty ordinary story and one should admit …it was not the best of the movies of Nadigar thilagam

But the song…. Ponmagal vandhaal….. will last forever…..

The song will just take off like at lightening speed…and will move even faster at a rapid pace….with tablas thundering with drums and heavy chorus interludes….I think MSV experimented with Chorus as a substitute for Violin interludes…and they came out terrifically ….

The picturisation will be quite interesting ….with big big golden coins everywhere and Shivaji dancing with Vijaya nirmala ???? for a dream song…..Shivaji…well dressed up like an emperor and his movements will be very sharp…..

Some of the words are still fresh in memory :

Thirumagal sammadham…tharugiraal ennidam….. manadhilay nimmadhi…malarvadho punnagai…..

Selvathin anaipil kidappen…. Velvettin midhappil iruppen…raaajanaaaga……..

Vairamo envasam….vaazvilay paravasam…veedhiyil oorvalam….viziyellam navarasam…….

The whole song will just focus on money, money and wealth……
The greatness of this song lies in the manner …MSV used the chorus background with little violin support…..while the drums ( even the great Sivamani was with MSV for sometime ) bangoos and the tabla …..at their best….

TMS …….Oru thanithanmayudan paaduvaar……….bramikka vaikkum sangadhi…..will go high and low pitch quite casually….

Needless to mention…this song was heard in light music programmes for long in the 70s….not sure whether appears now a days….

For the true fans of Mellisai Mannar…..this song will always be in their memory…..

Even today…if you ask someone who is in the 50s about this movie Sorgam…they will immediately tell you about this song.. Pon magal vandhaal only….such was the impact of this scintillating composition of MSV…

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S.Balaji
11-26-2005, 12:45 PM
[tscii:e7d450e6fd]Probably KB thought that he should honour the legend MSV and made this movie…. NINAITHAALAY INIKKUM…..

And…. Mellisai Mannar did not disappoint…..

Released in the end 70s ….this movie is associated with the school …college days of guys like me with the age group ranging between 40 and 45 )

Whenever our friends meet once in a way…we immediately recollect this movie….as it was for college goers…….just go …sit….enjoy the songs….lovely picturisation….

For Kamal and Rajini…they both have shared some wonderful moments and fond memories in some programmes about this movie…

Kamal once mentioned that he and Rajini….( they were in just late 20s ) they were going together everywhere enjoying the beauty of Singapore and Malaysia….whenever they wanted to sleep…they will sit sliding upon the back of each other…and pretend as if they are chatting with each other ( this is to deceive KB ) ..actually they will be sleeping !!

One can also see both Kamal and Rajini at the prime of their youth…. Rajini will be in french beard…to add fun….

Even at the evening of his glorious musical career , MSV could still bring his old magic by composing some everlasting melodies……

1. Engeyum eppodhum…

Terrific start to the movie…studded with leadguitar, drums, trumphet and what not……. Kamal dancing and singing…in his customary style….This is another light music song…..heard for a long time…And it’s a SPB special….. when he sings… Maalai newyorkil …kaabarayyyyyy…..

2. Namma ooru singaaree

This is a Rajini / SPB special….. known for the rhythm….picturisation will be so funny…. At one stage KB will show Rajini getting swayed by the song…and will stop giving mouth expression and will react late…before coming back to normalcy…a pleasant surprise from KB ! One can also see a very young charming Geetha !

3. Aanandha thaandavamo

A typical LRE song….for Jayapradha….in the streets of Singapore…. A slow number ….. appadiyay sokka vaikkum……

4. Barathi kannamaa

IMO…..the best song ….as it has tons and tons of melody …….SPB and VJ……appapaa….what a great variety they will exhibit ….great improvisation in this song….( this song deserves a separate posting )…
Kamal and JP singing in Malaysia with a nice garden ..picturesque background

( the same background can be seen Yeh….. paadal ondru…in Priyaaa )…I think both the movies were shot at the same time ?

5. Yaadhum ooray yaavarum kayleer

A group song….with the entire Kamal group singing and enjoying seeing the Singapore city…trumphet will be extensively used here…. Along with jalatharangam….

6. Sambo siva sambo

From MSV !! for Rajini…… a full fledged entertainer !! with the lyrics will be all fun…..( this song will be used as a stop gap arrangement by Rajini as Kamal would have gone in search of JP ! ). Rajini will look quite funny with a head band !..
Quite frequently he will also say…Sivasambo…in the movie…

7. Sayonaraaa vesham kalaindhadhu….

I wish MSV could have avoided this composition… as it resembled Milgaya…from Hum kiseesay kum naheen……Still it was popular…

8. Inimai niraindha ulagam irukku…

LRE and SPB for Kamal and JP…and this is the final song….the last stages of JP …suffereing from acute cancer but wants to enjoy her life to the brink..and Kamal acceding to her request …..a lovely end song with nice rhythm……indha sogamaana padathirku…indha paadal oru aarudhalaaga irukkum….appadi oru composition….MSV will make us cheerful….

There are 2 more songs…. Nizal kandavan naanugiren…… and What a waiting……
Nice numbers…..

One could see the best days of SPB, ....in this movie….ofcourse VJ , PS and LRE also had a song each but this movie reserves a special place for SPB …..and it’s a SPB dominated movie…..

The voice modulation that SPB adopts for Kamal and Rajini will be terrific….

MSVyin maaperum isai payanathil…indha padam oru…mayil kal……

I wish KB should have made the image of MSV prominent along with Kamal and Rajini ( as some guys adopted for IR in the 80s ) as MSV richly deserved a place in the poster and the hoardings….

At the time of release …..the posters carried the words…. IDHU ORU INNISAI MAZAI…….[/tscii:e7d450e6fd]

rra
11-28-2005, 01:48 AM
Balaji: Thanks for reminding me of the unforgettable old times. You missed out a couple of numbers :
Ninaithale Ininkkum (Hummimg by SP, SJ)
Vaanile (sounds similar to Sayanora but afster)
You are like a fountain (SP)
One more where Rajini ties someone froma fan etc.
Also, "Oru Mutthaarathil" by PS is another excelelnt song from Sorgam.
RRA

S.Balaji
12-08-2005, 07:04 AM
[tscii:d06e1ece0d]The magnificient Mellisai Mannargal – MSV and TKR….most of their composition are evergreen hits….and are being heard even after 45 - 50 years !

Amazing is the longevity of their compositions….

Even while most of IR’s wonderful hits of 70s and 80s are forgotten ……. the duo’s songs are still being heard at large….One reason could be the beautiful , poetic , melody that they chose as their core strength….and the striking lyrics

VENNIRA AADAI…….. a movie…..WILL COME UNDER TOP 25 ( its very difficult to chose the best of the lot when it’s a case of MSV TKR combo )..

This movie has SOME OF THE BEST OF THE MOST MEMORABLE HITS OF THE FAMOUS DUO… and they look fresh….and new……

The song composition for this movie …we could see a DIFFERENT STYLE …WITH THEIR CUSTOMARY MELODY… INTACT…
One can hear EXTENSIVE USAGE OF WESTERN INSTRUMENTS …GUITAR ( rhythm, lead and bass ) , PIANO, DRUMS

JJ’s first movie …..had other new faces also….Srikanth was the hero…. Murthy and Nirmala were also introduced….but strangely the nick name Vennira aadai got attached to Murthy and Nirmala but not for the lead pair !! These are some of the mysteries of Tamil film industry….

Directed by the great Sridhar…. …

The movie commences with the lovely song CHITIRAMAY NILLADEE …MUTHAMITAAL ENADEE..…. simple but lovely number….PBS and SJ for Srikanth and Nirmala ….nice picturisation ..indoor…in a small garden area…. The pair quite well dressed up…It’s a nice start to a movie….to see this beautiful song….the speciality of this number is…very little instruments but the impact will be terrific….

YENNA YENNA VAARTHAIGALO…..for JJ ..PS again….a fantastic interludes..extensive usage of PIANO….and the sweet voice of PS as support….there will be a virtual competition between piano and PS….Nilavay…unnai ariven….angay..melay oru naal varuven……malarndhaal angu malarven..illai pani pol naanum maraiven….
Those who had listened to the above words….will appreciate the true class of PS ….
Its an indoor song with JJ gracefully singing after she comes out of her insanity…and Srikanth playing the piano…..watched by Major and others….

NEERAADUM KANGAL INGAY….Another melody from PS….

Nee enbadhenna ….LRE ..for a change..a typical LRE song …..( but not great compared to the other beautiful songs )

AMMAMAA KAATRU VANDHU AADAI THOTTU PAADUM….. An unbeatable solo by PS… Veenai Gayathri once mentioned that she loves this song so much as he used to practice regularly for the Gamakam and the sangadhi that the duo added to this magnificient number… PS will be tested totally in this song as the duo’s penchant for adding gamakam was at its best ….this is the only song which they used traditional instruments like flute, tabla and violin and sitar….

Its difficult to pick which is the best number but ……

KANNAN ENNUM MANNAN PERAI SOLLA SOLLA – for JJ …PS … what a lovely melody..a fast paced song !….The interludes will be scintillating with extensive use of Piano, guitar and drums….. the song will briefly take us outdoor .. probably Kodaikanal garden area ….very picturesque and beautiful surroundings……( before BR …it was Sridhar who brought the beauty of nature into Tamil cinema industry ) ……JJ expressing her love for Srikanth….The combination of flute, piano and guitar …the duo’s imaginative skills were brought….

If they had more exposure to western instruments and western media like today, WE WOULD HAVE WITNESSED MORE SPLENDID COMPOSITIONS



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rra
12-09-2005, 01:55 AM
Balaji: Have you heard the rare "Oruvan Kaadalan" from Vennira Aadai. Very different. PS is simply superb.
rra

umaramesh
12-09-2005, 04:27 AM
ORUVAN KADHALAN . different number. PS will change the tone when she go for high pitch. nice orchestra.

very difficult to imagine kind of orchestra they used in 60's. Not only this movie you can see the different style in karnan/Ayrathil oruvan/Pudhiya paravai. MSV proved a point again when he got separated from TKR with same style in KALANGARI VILLAKAM/ANBEVAA/UTTIVARAI ORAVU Etc.

we still feels MSV is best because his composistion able to withstand whatever changes happened in cine industry in terms of technology/taste/orchestra/invasion of western style/illayaraja/AR etc.

Balaji: We will be delighted if you would have elaborated little bit on orchestra side(normally what use to do for IR songs :lol: ) Not fair.
ramesh

S.Balaji
12-09-2005, 11:08 AM
Balaji: Have you heard the rare "Oruvan Kaadalan" from Vennira Aadai. Very different. PS is simply superb.
rra

Sorry RRA....

Marandhu pochu indha paadal....

can you put the link for this song pls ?

Now I also recollect one song for Murthy.... but dont remember the beginning words....

S.Balaji
12-09-2005, 11:14 AM
[quote="umaramesh"]
very difficult to imagine kind of orchestra they used in 60's. Not only this movie you can see the different style in karnan/Ayrathil oruvan/Pudhiya paravai. MSV proved a point again when he got separated from TKR with same style in KALANGARI VILLAKAM/ANBEVAA/UTTIVARAI ORAVU Etc.

Unmai unmai 100 % unmai.... in Karnan...full of Hindusthani music with a carnatic flavour...even the instruments also....
MSV is a true genius and legend....



we still feels MSV is best because his composistion able to withstand whatever changes happened in cine industry in terms of technology/taste/orchestra/invasion of western style/illayaraja/AR etc.

One reason could be the everlasting MELODY which he chose as his strength ??




Balaji: We will be delighted if you would have elaborated little bit on orchestra side(normally what use to do for IR songs :lol: ) Not fair.
ramesh

Ramesh Bhaiyaa.... IR's interludes are still fresh in my memory and thats why I could elaborate :o
Unfortunately I am overseas now...else..would have listened to the songs of MSV again and would have made an analytical posting. :oops:

Ok...why dont you do it now for us :o
especially the extensive usage of Piano and Organ in Vennira aadai...

s ramaswamy
12-09-2005, 04:17 PM
HI all,

When I think abt the VR combo, I feel goose pimples. What a pair,
simply outstanding.

I am enchanted by their music in almost all their films - the list is endless. As far as I can remember they have scored music for Karnan, Alukkoru Veedu (Seyyum Thozhile Deivam and Anbu manam kaninda pinne) Puthayal (can we forget this movie in which all the songs are simple superb, including the enchanting thanga mohana thamaraiye), Pathi Bakthi (Veedu nokki odi vandha ennaye, Irai podum manithakku irayagum vellade, intha thinnai pechu veeraridam oru kannyirukkanam annachi naama onna irukkanam annachi - simply great lyrics by pattukkottai), ,anappandal (one of their very best), maalayitta mangai, mannathi mannan, baaga pirivinai, paava mannippu (if ever anyone can exceed this movie music), paalum pazhamum, paasa malar, bhagyalakshmi (kaadal enum vadivam kanden - simply lilting music in ps's oh ever sweet voice), paarthal pasi theerum, puthiya paravai, kai kodutha deivam, pachai vilakku, pazhani, aalayamani, aandavan kattalai and the mgr hits like enga veetu pillai, panathottam, panakaara kudumbam, aananda jyothi, periya idathu penn, thenral veesum (does any one have the superb song paadinar kavignar paadinar chorus?), veerathirumagan, kalaiikoyil, kaathirunda kangal, nenjam marappathillai, nenjil ore aalayam, panakkara kudumbam, padithal mattum poduma, aayirathil oruvan, (their last movie together but what a score!), panam padaithavan, panda paasam, maniyosai (one of sirkazhi's very best nos - devan koil maniyosai), panchavarnakkili, vennira aadai, paar magale paar and that film in which this excellent no of ps is there (en vaazhvil puthu pathai kanden).

The amazing thing is the duo has scored music for about 80 films
(i may be wrong) and except for a few nos all others are worth
listening to repeatedly. Can any other MD approach these two
giants in creativity?

S.Balaji
12-09-2005, 04:29 PM
Ramswamy...

You have a huge database of VR movies...

Great..

Can you pls analyse movie by movie and come out with your thoughts ?

s ramaswamy
12-12-2005, 02:33 PM
Ys Balaji, we can do so. But before that I want to add some more VR films that come to mind.

MSV's first film in which he independently scored music - Jenova
(1953). he joined hands with TKR and the great combine started
to mesmerise the TFM but not immediately. They first scored in
Panam and then came Gulebagavali, Paasavalai, Thenali Raman,
Puthayal (I remember reading Arasu pathilgal years ago when the
answer given to a qstn mentioned this film as their first major hit
and there was no going back).

Then came fimls like Mahadevi (1957), but it was only in 1958 that the duo had a string of hits like pathibakthi, petra maganai vitra annai and maalayitta mangai and from that year onwards till their separation we can consider it the VR golden era of TFM.

amutha valli (who can forget the TRM-PS duet Aadai katti vantha
nilavo!), sivagangai cheemai, baagapirivinai (I consider it as a landmark film for VR as from this film one can see a change to really light music from this incomparable duo), raja malayasimman (A PS-PBS duet azhage, amudhe, asai kanave anbin uruve is unforgettable for its enchancing bgm and the use of flute, violin).

And then came Mannathi Mannan and Thangappadumai (such
outstanding music by the duo where they blended light music and
classical music in the sort of enchanting mix for which they are still talked about).

The rest, as they say, is history with paava mannippu and paalum
pazhamum (I have special thoughts abt these two films as I grew
up with the songs in these two movies) setting a totally new trend.
Before forgetting I want to add Kavalai Illatha Manithan in this list.

I don't think any other Indian MD has used the mouth organ, a simple instrument, to the effect that VR have used or, for that matter, saarangi. Not to mention mangala vaadhyam naadaswaram
in so many songs - esp vaarayo thozhi vaarayo (pasamalar), oli mayamana ethirkaalam and kuthu vilakkeriya (pachai vilakku).
the use of piano in the PS song 'enna enna vaarthaigalo' in Vennira aadai is simply out of this world.

umaramesh
12-13-2005, 03:38 AM
Dear Ramaswamy
Yesterday I read article from another site about how MSV used jazz in UTTIVARAI URAVU film(THEDINAEEN VANDHADHU SONG).

Writer says he was in different world when he done the research on MSV composistion on jazz part in different films and how effectively he used with his own creativeness(i.e without copying).

That's why I use to say always that MSV composistions are well ahead of times.

regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
12-13-2005, 06:07 AM
Ramaswamy and Ramesh....

Aadai kattivandha nilavo is an OUTSTANDING composition....way back !! amazing tune and interludes ....I have no words to describe the beauty of the song.....

Ofcourse, TRM and PS added flavour to the song....

One of the best tunes of MSV TKR

S.Balaji
12-13-2005, 06:10 AM
Besides, whenever I see Piano....i think about Yenna yenna vaarthaigalo and Paaduvor paadinaal aada thondrum and Yellorum nalam vaaza naan paaduven !

S.Balaji
12-13-2005, 06:30 AM
[tscii:0fb50be2b4]IRU MALARGAL featured established stars – Nadigar thilagam, Naatiya peroli Padmini, K.R.Vijaya , Roja Ramani ( as daughter of Shivaji )…. Released in the 60s…. … movie with a different theme …… Shivaji initially will be in mad love with Padmini but for various reasons will not be able to marry her as his Father will oppose staunchly …and later will get forcefully married to KRV under instructions from his father….will be trying his best to come out the lost love …and reestablish himself in family life and be a good husband to KRV and a good father to Rojaramani ( kid )… The movie will focus mainly on the three characters and will exhibit Shivaji in various moods ….one with Padmini , the intermediate part with his father and the interesting duels with him on why he cannot marry Padmini….. and the third part on how he manages his married life with KRV….and kid….

This movie is one of the evergreen hits of Mellisai Mannar…. All the songs were super hits with tons and tons of melody loaded …in typical customary MSV style……

MADHAVI PON MAYILAAL THOGAI VIRITHAAL – composed in a beautiful Karahara priya raagam…. TMS will give a royal touch to the song…….singing with aplomb….a carnatic based song….. and this song will be the first song….. Shivaji and Padmini ( a virtual repeat of Thilaana ?? ).. while Shivaji will be doing a solo , Padmini will be doing natyam….
Kaadhal mazai poziyum kaarmugilaai….ival…kaadhalan naanirukka…perezilaai…..Kalai maanin inam kodutha viziyaada……lovely lyrics…

The second song is a masterpiece…. MANNIKKA VENDUGIREN…UNDHAN AASAYAI THOONDUGIREN…( again Shivaji with Padmini…both sharing their mutual love and admiration ) …..a terrific , beautiful and poetic song….. fantastic lyrics….worth debating in Pattimandram….such is the quality of the song…. Vaarthai jaalangal…..
Ennai sindhikka vendugiren…kangal sandhikka engugiren…..

Thithikkum idhaz unakku ….endrendrum adhu enakku….. Naam pirivennum oru sollai marandhaal enna…..

Mukkanikkum sakkaraikkum suvayai sevvai dhaan tharumo …..

I have no words to describe further about this song…. So poetic….classic ….

The third song is another melody …..VELLI MANI OSAIYILAY…ULLAMENUM KOVILILAY…PS Amma for KRV….beautiful song….soaked with honey….Vallal varum velaiyilay…vaazvu varum poomagalay…. This is a typical Mellisai Mannar song…..IMO ….this is on par with Aalaya maniyin osayai naan ketten….same class….

The fourth one is MAGARAAJA ORU MAGARAANI ….. MSV brings his variety here …..a nice rhythm based song….Shivaji …..trying his best to settle down in family life…singing for his daughter…along with KRV…..in high spirits….. This song I should say…is our family song…Kudumba paattu.. my Father used to sing for us quite regularly…when in good mood…..The interludes will be terrific….with piano, drums, violin , accordion……combining together and a superb exhibition of variety from MSV…..and this song is one of the evergreen songs deeply stored in my memory since childhood days….
Konjum azagay…thanga nilavaay…thangachi papaavo….putham pudhiya poochendaatam punnagai seivaaloooo ( TMS you are the greatest )

Shivaji oru punsirippodu paaduvaar ..especially for the words…Evalukoru thambi payal inimel pirapaanoooooo….ilavarasan…naaandhaan endru pottikku varuvaanoooo….raaniamma manasu vechaa yedhuvum nadakkumamma …..


The final number is KADAVUL THANDHA IRU MALARGAL…. Will come at a time when KRV and Padmini finding the going very tough for them as Shivaji will be finding life miserable as he would not be in a position to come out the Padmini hold….PS and LRE combination…doing well….and this is another hit song…..

Overall …. Another gem of a composition from Mellisai Mannar…. Lovely lyrics ….excellent direction…..nice story …..worth watching……IMO…KRV will steal the show ….and performed better than Padmini….


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umaramesh
12-13-2005, 09:38 AM
Dear Balaji
MADHAVI POON ... lyrics by valli.Dificult to describe about this composistion.

KADHAL MAZHI POOHIYUM KARMUGILAL again KADHAL MAZHI POOHIYUM KARMUGILAAALL IVAL(here little bit extent)IVAL KADHALAN NAAN IRUKKA PERYILAL. wow typical MSV punch.

KALAI MANNINN IDAM KODUTHA VIZHI AADA. Here TMS will do little bit ALABHANI. Gem of composistion.

VELLI MANI: In interlude first brife spell of shenoy followed by violin&piano. MSV ENNGAYYOO KOONDU POI VEDUVAR

same way duet from NENJURUKUM VARAI

MUTHUKALU KANNGAL
THITHIPATHU KANNAM
yOU SHOULD HERE THE INTERLUDE IN THE NIGHT, ESPECIALLY THE FLUTE PART. Magnificant.

In this song each line will end like ENNA(First&second stanza).MSV used different style for each ENNA. One time will go for high pitch and PS will sing softly vice versa.

Another super hit : ENNGAE NEYYO NAANUM ANGAE .

Last one POO MUDIPAL INTHA POOKUZHALI. fine blend of violin/flute/Nadhasvaram.No need to tell about NADIGAR THILAGAM expressions.

one more speicality about this movie is .no makeup for all the artist.

NENJIRUKUM ENNGALLKU NALAYANNDRU VAZHVIRRKUM. different orchestra from MSV. espcially mixture of whistle sound and piano/guitar etc.

over to Balaji.

regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
12-13-2005, 01:29 PM
Dear Ramesh,

Terrific posting on Nenjirukkum varai ( which I had earlier reserved for future !) As you mentioned, the greatness of MSV lies on the IMPROVISATION which he makes on a sentence....
Always he repeats the sentence with terrific melody...
I had already mentioned earlier about Aalaya maniyin osayai....

Un iraivan avanay avanay ena paadum mozi keten.....

Yen thalaivan avanay avanay ( mild change ) enum thaaayin ( again mild change ) mozi keten

THe shenoy interludes during Velli mani......only MSV can give such silken touches....( like Vishwanath's late cut ! )

Aaanal enakku MSV mela oru varutham...he always repeated the same interludes for the second charanam also ...why ??

In my opinion, Muthukalo kangal SHOULD BE RANKED AMONGST THE TOP SONGS OF EVERY ONE ...I MEAN TMS , MSV, SRIDHAR, SHIVAJI AND KRV AND KAVIGNAR....

The genius MSV's speciality in this song is
he will make PS go from normal levels to high pitches and then immediately come back with a bang !!
Paditha paadam ennaaa ( high pitch ) un kangal ( normal levels ) paarkum paavai enna ( mid range )

Aaasai konjam naanam konjam pinni paarpadhennaaaaa ( high again ).....

TMS...arugil nadandhu..madiyil vizundhu aada ketpadhenna ..... ezundha inbam enna ( high ) en ennam ( normal ) engum ekkamenna....

Virundhu ketpadhenna adhayum viraindhu ketpadhenna ( kavignarin vaarthai jaalangal ! )

You are right...Sridhar experiemented with the artists without makeup ....

Thanks for recollecting Nejirukkum varai...

S.Balaji
12-13-2005, 01:39 PM
Dear all...

I missed out one more terrific number in Vennira aadai ...

SOLLAVOOOOOO SUGAM PAARTHA KADHAI SOLLAVOOOOOOO
PS special !

I think this song also appears in Vennira aadai only ??

thenraja
12-13-2005, 04:06 PM
[quote="S.Balaji"]
I missed out one more terrific number in Vennira aadai ...
SOLLAVOOOOOO SUGAM PAARTHA KADHAI SOLLAVOOOOOOO
PS special !quote]
S.Balaji,
It is"sollavO sughamAna kadhai sollavo" . The movie is 'Sivantha Man'.

S.Balaji
12-13-2005, 05:10 PM
Thanks dear Thenraja ! for the source of Sollavo...now I could recollect....Kanchana will be singing this number...

Enna PS paatu endra vudan thulli gudhithu kondu post panreengalaa !!

I know you are a big database on PS songs

Thanks once again

rra
12-14-2005, 02:10 AM
Balaji, Ramesh: thanks for the extensive, excellent discussion on MSV's songs. If I may add: "Annamitta Kaigalukku" from Iru Malargal and "Ninaitthaal Podhum Paaduven" from Nenjirukkum Varai. Can you throw some light on the situation in the film for the latter song.
Also, Ramesh: Can you provide link to the site where you read about MSV's jazz-based compositions?? Thanks
RRA

umaramesh
12-14-2005, 06:56 AM
Also, Ramesh: Can you provide link to the site where you read about MSV's jazz-based compositions?? Thanks

Hi
www.dhool.com.
under Jazz X1111.

regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
12-14-2005, 07:11 AM
RRa...

Thanks for recollecting annamitta kaigalukku...a pathos song for PS....I think KRV was the actress for this song...this was also popular those days...

s ramaswamy
12-14-2005, 07:58 AM
Tks balaji for reminding us msv fans of Iru malargal. Madhavi Ponmayilal is easily one of TMS's very best nos. the way he sings
madhavi pon mayilal epitomises the raga in which the song is set.
simply outstanding!

And the way the song ends, with chendai beat, gives a clear indication from which state the maestro hailed from, kerala.

And if you consider MSV's great albums, ooty varai uravu, nenjirukkum varai and iru malargal would surely be in the list.

The first two are from sridhar films, one a full-length comedy with
colour and other attractions and the other a b/w film with no light
moments to speak of and with the actors without make-ups. Only sridhar could do it. And interestingly both were released in the year
1967.

The S Janaki no in Nenjirukkum varai and the TMS solo, poo mudithal intha poonguzhali are two great nos.

the use of orchestra in the first one and the way nadaswaram is used in the latter are ideal lessons on how to use various instruments for budding mds, but nowadays the mds are interested only in identical rock beats and nothing else! What a pity!

S.Balaji
12-14-2005, 08:14 AM
Ramaswamy,

Kalangarai vilakkam and Kudiyirundha kovil ...

marandhuteengalaa dear !

I believe Kalangarai vilakkam was composed after the famous duo got split

Kudiyirundha kovil ...all songs are outstanding compositions especially Kungoma potin mangalam and Yennai theriyumaa ...

Ofcourse there is Aadaludan paadalai kettu ...a variety....

Thulluvadho ilamai ....even today its youthful !

Neeyay dhan enakku...is a typical Makkal thilagam song...

Naan yaar naan yaar is for spreading his political message and for his fans !

Unviziyim yen vaalum sandhithaal is a typical mellisai mannar MELODY ....

For all his achievements, he is a Niraik kudam , A VERY HUMBLE AND MODEST CHARACTER....

the senior Maestro MSV

S.Balaji
12-14-2005, 08:21 AM
The nadhaswaram usage in Poomudipaal song is one of the best and very unique of its kind....

MSV will use this instrument beautifully all through the song with EMOTIONS...

I love the nadhaswaram before the final words...

Kaithalam thandhen yen kanmai vaazga....
kadamai mudindhadhu kalyanam vaazga
adaikalam nee endru vandhanal vaazga...
aandavan pol nenil kovil kondaada....

Nadhaswaram actually is a MANGALA VAADHIYAM....but MSV used in this song to give a poetic touch with emotion !

I have not seen a Karaharapriya ragam so beautifully composed in a movie ( I mean Madhavi pon mayilaal )....Is there any other song in the same ragam ?

s ramaswamy
12-14-2005, 10:03 AM
Balaji,

Yes, but I have not forgotten the films you have mentioned. They were classics in their own right and so too were thangai (can any one forget the TMS solo Thanneerile Thamairappo sung with so much emotion and especially the place where he stops after singing kaalazhu paarthal....kaalazhu paarthal deivathirku karunai endroro per etharku), and bama vijayam (varavu ettana, aani muthu vangi vanthen). I prefer MSV till the mid 1970s. After that his decline started. What do you say?

S.Balaji
12-14-2005, 10:12 AM
Balaji,

Yes, but I have not forgotten the films you have mentioned. They were classics in their own right and so too were thangai (can any one forget the TMS solo Thanneerile Thamairappo sung with so much emotion and especially the place where he stops after singing kaalazhu paarthal....kaalazhu paarthal deivathirku karunai endroro per etharku), and bama vijayam (varavu ettana, aani muthu vangi vanthen). I prefer MSV till the mid 1970s. After that his decline started. What do you say?

Ramaswamy...

The words...Kaalazagu paarthaal deeeeiiiivathukku..... we had done lots of discussion on this ! Nice that you also like this piece...

In my opinion, MSV reached the end of his fabulous musical journey with arrival of IR , another maestro...and this happened in 1976 ....

Its too much to expect something out of MSV in the mid 70s as he was already getting aged .........but still could come out with Ninaithaalay inikkum ......

The MSV era ....1955 TO 1975

S.Balaji
12-14-2005, 10:17 AM
[tscii:f43096777a]To say that MGR songs are melodious is like Gold is precious( this elite TFM would have discussed this aspect 1000 times over the last decade ) ….. . It goes without saying , most of Makkal thilagam’s evergreen hits were composed either by the magnificient MSV – TKR duo or MSV alone ( KVM was a exception for Devar Films and Shankar Ganesh briefly )

I could see a different composition…. Rather a surprise gift by the duo for

ORU PENNAI PAARTHU NILAVAI PAARTHEN..from Deivathaai

A TMS solo….He breathed like MGR for this song ! A thunderous start ....drums and bangoos roaring ……followed by the duo’s customary group violin prelude before the Pallavi and there will be a small PAUSE….before TMS takes off with Oru pennai paarthu….

Another beauty is…the drums/ bangoos will resume again ( rather will wait until TMS completes Oru pennai paarthu nilavai paarthen )…..

Sheer delight and class BGM when TMS sings…aval illaamal naan illai ( a gentle drum beat ..tak tak tak with bangoos again on the background ) naan ilaamal aval illai….. and the pallavi ends with lalalalalalalalalalalalaaaaa…….( the lalala was needed to fill the gap I presume )

Probably the duo were told that MGR and Sarojadevi will be dancing inbetween …which made them come out with splendid violin interludes before charanam…..and suddenly with a accordion …a surprise package !!! before violin again ! all in a flash !! before the resumption of…. Kodi minnal oru paarvai maano meeno endrirundhen ..kuyil osai pol oru vaarthai ..kuzalo yaazo endrirundhen …..

Earlier we had extensive sharing on thoughts on the speciality of MSV TKR music and their compositon style ESPECIALLY IMPROVISING MELODY WHEN A CHARANAM GETS REPEATED ….

Here also they didn’t miss when TMS sings …NENJODU YENNAI SERTHAAI THEEYODU PANJAI SERTHAAI …and again Nenjoooooodu with a subtle change ! vow terrific improvisation !!

Indru kaadhal ekkam thandhaal sendraal naalai enseivaalo…… TMS appadiyay swaram irangi paaduvaar…..fantastic voice modulation

Again , there will be a pause …..

Look at the impact of what even a silence can do to a song !

Oru varutham enakku….. the same interludes will get repeated for the second charanam as well ….why ?? They could have easily created another interlude …these are unsolved mysteries of TFM …or probably MGR liked the first interlude so much that he preferred using the same

The song doesn’t end so easily…..the duo will give a fine finishing touch with tremendous flow of drums and bangoos again ( which was never heard in a radio )

MGR and Sarojadevi…..ketka vendumaa….MGR ALWAYS CHEERFUL…when he sings a love song …and this song was no exception…..while Saro will be the silent spectator just reacting to MGR’s tantrums….

Makkal thilagam….in his own inimitable customary fashion…Thanudaya kayyaiyum kaalayum nanraaga veesi veesi nadippaaar ! with an attractive dressing ( unlike the palich palich yellow or red or blue which he wears sometimes )

Makkal thilagam will look young and charming…..Saroja devi as well…..

The dance movements are of typical MGR ….few steps forward and few backward…with hand joining with Heroene ( this type of MGR dance movements, we must have seen umpteen times ! )… I think MGR never took any major risk in dancing except for Aadaludan paadalai kettu wherein he had to dance like a pathan with a dance expert like L.Vijayalakshmi ! but he did remarkably well…..there will be a mini twist dance also in this song oru pennai paarthu !

It’s a simple indoor song but the impact the magnificient duo created through the thunderous flow of drums and bangoos made this SOMETHING SPECIAL AND EVERLASTING….

Ofcourse, Vanna kilee sonna mozee is another variety … a song known for rhythm

Andha moondrezuthil yen moochirukkum…is a 100% MGR kolgai parrappu paadal…..( pls read the posting of Mr. Manisegaran on this …quite an interesting analysis )
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s ramaswamy
12-14-2005, 10:53 AM
Yes. but what abt the song ulagam piranthathu enakkaga in paasam. this song has different musical interludes after every stanza and sung as usual with gusto by tms. a fine no.

And among the duets involving mgr-saroja devi what abt en Kadamai? yaarathu yaarathu thangamam, a superb dance no. And the Periya Iduthu Penn cha cha song andru vanthathum ore nila.

And the start of the song pesuvathu kiliya in panathottam with bango drums when mgr "kuttufies' saroja devi on the head. what a song!

S.Balaji
12-15-2005, 10:12 AM
[tscii:5be8b41d33]Right from the dawn of 1970 Makkal Thilagam had a sole agenda in his mindset…. trying to create a niche for himself in political arena, he released a series of movies ….with clear political motives behind….there will be lots of punch dialogues and sarcastic comments about the then DMK government and its policies …..never failed to sing a kolgai parrappu paadal….

The phase also was the PEAK period of the King of Mellisai….. mudisooda mannanaaga vilangiya oru por kaalam……

Somehow, since my school days I am wonderstruck by the songs of NETRU INDRU NAALAI …..….the songs which I still cherish …..

Makkal thilagam …playing a dual role

Produced by Amalraj films….the great Asokan …..( there is a sad story behind the making of this movie but lets forget that and exchange our thoughts about the songs only )

The story line ( rather no story at all ) is very easy to write…its all about an ordinary scavenger in a down trodden society ….doing his best for upbringing them….

MSV UNLEASHED A SERIES OF OUTSTANDING COMPOSITIONS….

PAADUMBODHU NAAN THENRAL KAATRU…

MGR’s well known established formula ….. A POSITIVE BEGINNING …. A PLEASANT START TO GIVE THE AUDIENCE A SENSE OF COMFORT ….

Lovely prelude …. humming from SPB ! ( probably the second song after aayiram nilavay vaa for MGR ) unfortunately Chennai Vaanoli nilayam never puts this and must have edited it probably for the duration…. IMO one of the best hummings of SPB ….on par with the humming for the song…Ninaithaalay inikkum…

Fortunately one can see this beautiful humming in the movie however…..MGR emering from a hideout on a mountain top …..with his famous round glasses and a BIG HAT ….dressed in PALICH PALICH YELLOW SUIT ………always cheerful….chasing Rajashree

MSV didn’t forget his favourite violin prelude ! to give an ideal start to the song and SPB commences with Paadumbodhu naan thendral kaatru….

While SPB sings the pallavi, naan varumbodhu aayiram paadal ….. there will be a scintillating tabla support ( similar to the song Naan endraal adhu avalum naanum in surya Gandhee ) which will prompt us to grab some vessel and try immediately !

Naan varumbodhu aayiram paadal paada vandhadhenna ….nenjam ( when I write this word NENJAM ….the sangadhi special from MSV – SPB at his awesome best ! ) and also the improvisation for the words….paruva mannnnnngayo …….

The guitar and flute interludes before Mellia poongodi valaithu….worth preserving for ages…….manadhai urchaaga pada vaikkum flute …..

Malar meniyai konjam ….note the improvisation again for KONNJAM……
Idhazil thenai koduthu oru inba naadagam nadithu……the repeat of Idhazzzzil…..

The interludes before the second charanam….a combination of violin and another humming from SPB….well backed up by flute again…..and finally Ellaigallilaa ulagam ….en idhayam adhu pol nilavum….

Pudhumai ulagam malarum nalla pozudhaai yaarukkum pularum……

Pudhumaaaiii……Again the improvisation !I think Makkal thilagam must have given full freedom to SPB ….and that’s Balu could bring so much variety to the song……

Beyond this…I am unable to explain further… such a wonderful composition….with lots of sangadhee…improvisation …..

Who should be worshipped for this evergreen number ? Is it MSV or SPB or MGR who must have extracted the best out of both …. If one has to cover other songs also, it will become an essay and hence I am just stopping here to make way for other friends to take up ….

Nee ennenna sonnaaaalum kavidhai…. TMS and PS for MG and Lata…… PS at her best, when she resumes after a pause at the fag end of the song….Indha ulaginai…..oru kanam marandhu……

Angay varuvadhu yaaro..adhu vasadhathin pero…. SPB again and SJ for MG and Manjula…… SPB and SJ …konjum kural…..Pesipaarpadhaal andha aasai theerumo…idhaz osai ketpadhaal…veru baashai vendumo…..

Naan padithen kanjiyilay netru…… kolgai parappu song …Makkal thilagam…sweeping the streets and sings……

IMHO…..indha padathin paadalgal…..ORU THENISAI VIRUNDHU…..
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S.Balaji
12-16-2005, 07:29 AM
[tscii:8b00524c47]My thoughts went simultaneously ( while posting on Paadumbodhu naan thendral kaatru ) over another beauty ….a variety …..again Makkal thilagam, JJ and MSV combination……

Its THANGA PADHAKATHIN MELAY…..

From the movie Engal Thangam….the producer ?? its Murosali Maran ! the dialogues / story also …..Its history now that MGR nurtured MM during his formative years….and MM was very upset when MG and KK got split…as he was one of the well wishers……but ultimately retained his loyalty to his maternal uncle KK and was with him until he breathed his last……

About the song…….

IMO , its one of the toughest lyrics to compose tune as there will be different rhythms or rather no consistent rhythm ( which normally will be the basis for building a song )

But MSV is such a genius that he could come out with another fantastic number and its one of the super hits of Makkal thilagam , being heard extensively…..Its so popular even today…. I could see a mild similarity in Enna vilay azagay… an ARR composition for Kadhalar dhinam !

Roaring preludes…..I had already mentioned earlier ….MGR songs always will bring cheer and pleasant feeling to one…..MSV used all his experience in building this outstanding number……a sequence of Guitar, accordion, violin, and finally accordion …..thanga padhakathin melayyyyyyyyy……( while TMS starts the tabla background ! vow ! ) oru muthu padhithadhu polay, indha pattu kannagalin melay, onru thottu koduthidalaaaaamo….neeyum vittu koduthidalaamooo…..

Friends, do you all now realize the different rhythm all through this song as the lyric flow will be like that …..( sorry for questioning you all , underestimating your memories )

The interludes before the charanam …..a sudden Shenoy ! and flute ….Mullaipoo pallakku aadai sumandhu ……….( here again the thalam will be different ) oru kodi ennam aasai nenjil pinni maraindhadhu kandu……paniyil nanaiyum azagu chilayai anaika vandhenay…. Idazgal poziyum amudha mazayai suvaika vandhenay…..

The second interludes will be full of VIOLIN backed up bangoos , drums and a grand entry for PS ! thottuzumuthaada vanji kodiyai…..thottu thodarvadhenaaa……

Here a presence of mind and improvisation from Mellisai Mannar….a brief guitar, sitar, violin …all in brief …before PS repeats again…Thottuyumuthaada…..

I repeat, again here , the rhythm will be different as the flow of lyrics changes…..a fine variety from PS when she repeats andhi maalai pozudhin kaaval ninaivai…..alappadhenaaa …..

Oorum uravaum ariyium varayil…kangalin mattodu…..manamaalai nooru soodum naalai kaigal thottaadu…..

Endless sequence of different rhythm patterns…..

Its quite amazing to listen to this splendid song that it looks refreshingly new !

Anyone can come out with how MSV composed this outstanding song ? Not sure how many days he would have taken to get the tunes and the rhythm set…

There is another typical MGR - MSV melodious song , Naan alavodu rasippavan…edhayum alavindri kodupavan ….a lovely composition…… PS and TMS involving 3 charanams with three different interludes ! for a change !


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rra
12-16-2005, 08:06 AM
Balaji: Your analyses of MSV's songs are simply superb. I guess this is the best tribute we can pay to the Master composer. Two other MGR - TMS -PS - MSV (of course!) come
to my mind : kannan ennum kaadalan, Vizhiye Vizhiye; contrasting styles but very appealing.
RRA

S.Balaji
12-16-2005, 08:24 AM
RRA...

Thanks

Kannan ennum kaadhalan is altogther different composition ... a slow melody....

Viziyay viziyay of course is MGR special !

Sirithaal thanga padhumai....... ( for this , one should appreciate by saying ADADAA ADADAA ENNA PUDHUMAI ! ) and continue with Koduthen endhan manadhai...

IMO Kannan yen kaadhalan ...all songs are SPLENDID...

Pl add NALLADHU KANNAY ...KANAVU KANNINDHADHU....from Raman thediya seethai !

TMS probably thought that its for Nadigar thilagam ?? ( not updated probably )

I could see SHivaji there in TMS in this song !

umaramesh
12-16-2005, 08:24 AM
Balaji

During this period MSV gave super hit albums like MEENAVA NANBAN/SIRUTHU VAZZHA VENDUM/NEETRU INDUR NALAI /NEETHUKUTHALAI VANAGU etc. You can see MSV used TMS/PS&SPB/SJ/ KJY/VANI combination effortlessly.

BOSS: Hats off to you for bringing THANGA PATHKATHYIN MELLAE.
Very different composistion. usage of violin is different in each stanza. When PS finishes (VANJIKODIYAI THOOTO THODARVATHU ENNA)violin starts casually and followed by another insturment with different THALAM. Even end of the song PS finishes THANGA PATHAKATHINE MELLE and TMS follows and again PS hums in the end.

I think one more stupendous song from RAMAN THEEDIYA SEETHAI
NALLATHU KANNE KANANU KANITHATHU. MSV/TMS/PS combination.we can go on discuss and you will get new dimension every day .That is MSV.

ramesh

S.Balaji
12-16-2005, 08:28 AM
Balaji

During this period MSV gave super hit albums like MEENAVA NANBAN/SIRUTHU VAZZHA VENDUM/NEETRU INDUR NALAI /NEETHUKUTHALAI VANAGU etc. You can see MSV used TMS/PS&SPB/SJ/ KJY/VANI combination effortlessly.

BOSS: Hats off to you for bringing THANGA PATHKATHYIN MELLAE.
Very different composistion. usage of violin is different in each stanza. When PS finishes (VANJIKODIYAI THOOTO THODARVATHU ENNA)violin starts casually and followed by another insturment with different THALAM. Even end of the song PS finishes THANGA PATHAKATHINE MELLE and TMS follows and again PS hums in the end.

I think one more stupendous song from RAMAN THEEDIYA SEETHAI
NALLATHU KANNE KANANU KANITHATHU. MSV/TMS/PS combination.we can go on discuss and you will get new dimension every day .That is MSV.

ramesh

Ramesh dear !!!

Ippo dhaan naan ...NALLADHU KANNAY ...song patri post panninen !! and I am seeing your post also !!

Similarity of thoughts !!

Great going friends

By the way, did you realise the difference in TMS voice ? Probably he thought that its for Nadigar thilagam ? as the famous MGR tone was missing !

Bye

S.Balaji
12-16-2005, 08:32 AM
IMO, Thanga padhakathin melay.... could be one of the most difficult compositions ....due to the inconsistent rhythm pattern..( rather different rhythm for every sentence )

Valee must have tested MSV for this song ! with flurry of words !

umaramesh
12-16-2005, 10:39 AM
Hi
With continuation from Balaji positng on THANGA PATHKATHIN MELLE, here is another one with contradict style.one more duet from MSV/TMS/PS combination . This duet is from the film EN THAMBI.Shivaji movie.

Song : AIYAYIYA MELLA THATTU

I have no idea about the situation and not sure why MSV mixed folk&western for this duet. MSV brillaintely mixed flute/tabla/guitar and piano/violin .

PS starts AIYAYIYA MELLA THATTU with western style with medium range and goes for high pitch like AASAI PERUGI VEDUM ANUG SIVANDHU VIDUM.

You should hear how TMS sings SINGARI CHINNA CHITTU again MSV style SINGARRRE CHINNA CHITTU. CHELLA KILLIE ALLAVOOU
SEVANDHI POOU ALLAVOOU. MANCHAL NIRAM ALLAVOOU VAIRA NAGAI ALLAVOOU.

Suddenly in the second stanza TMS starts with folk base(tappan guthu style). Quiet contrast one.
Amazing thing is from high pitch PS suddenly finish with AAHA MELLA THATTU/AAHA MELLA THAATU/MELL THAATU. We cannot imagine such contradict style in one song. You can enjoy these MSV VARNA JALLANGAL if you happen to hear this song.

Bye for now.

regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
12-16-2005, 11:43 AM
Dear Ramesh,

Ayayaa mella thattu.... is for Saroja devi and Nadigar thilagam !
Normally PS sings in such a thullal style ONLY FOR VANISHREE but this special is for Saro !

Its a duet for SHivaji and Saro ......

True ...as you mentioned, its another unique song with a mix western and tappaanguthu which will come as a suprise element to the song and will add flavour to it !

Tms romba urchaagathudan paaduvaar... which is another feature on this song !

I love the charanam ....I used to listen quite frequently purely for the rhythm....

which could be seen in Kettukodee urumi melam ....

S.Balaji
12-28-2005, 09:32 AM
[tscii:1b9e128b0e]Sridhar never shied from making experiments and chosing odd subjects …..He took Nenjirukkum varai , the stars didn’t have their normal make up ! Nenjil oru aalayam was virtually an indoor movie

NENJAM MARAPPADHILLAI was another sensational experiment …. A story of erstwhile lovers taking rebirth …..Sridhar, makes the lovers , Kalyan kumar and Devika rejoin in their current life, while recollecting their previous life through a sequence of pulsating and nerve wracking scenes…..the setting of that old bungalow and the Nambiar character as someone who is 120 years old ! all are terrific imagination ….a theme well developed into screen play….

Sridhar , Kavignar and the Mellisai Duo had excellent chemistry ( like BR-IR-VM ) ….understanding each other’s strengths and tastes well …. Saradhaji once posted one interesting sequence about how Sonnadhu needhaanaa was finalized !

This movie is significant for the duo as they excelled on re-recording besides their customary melody intact

It’s a black and white movie …..

The Tamil film industry had never come across such a different subject

To make the audience tense and to create fear psychosis, Sridhar took most of the scenes with a night effect ! He will terrorise and intimidate the viewers all through the movie

A real thriller packed with suspense….The whole theatre will be restless until Nambiar gets extinguished

Nambiar, the Senior Zamindar , a ruthless Father of Kalyankumar , was a typical villain….IMO, one of the best portrayed villain roles….the transformation from a very arrogant Zamindar to an old man ( rather oldest man ) of 120 ++ years , terrific …..

The screen play ( it was actually tough ) was very well structured by Sridhar by mixing both the past and present life of both , showing simultaneously the various events of the yesteryears and current….all perfectly synchronised

When you have to create a movie mixed with past and current incidents , you need a song which has to be strikingly similar and also should be the epicentre to the entire movie which also should resurface at regular intervals all through the movie

NENJAM MARAPPADHILLAI….. this song will be played at regular intervals but each situation , it will look different and that’s the greatness of MSV-TKR !

THE PRELUDE HUMMING BY P.S. ! just through the humming the Duo will bring …..we will shiver , also , will get horrified by that humming ….the arrangement of interludes and the choice of instrument for this song which appears at various stages was very thoughtful planning

Frequent usage of the sound of Owl whenever KalyanKumar gets into the Bungalow and terrorizing group violin were all unique and a welcome deviation from the past ! Now , with the advanced technology, if one can see the Background score with stereophonic effect, you will realize the greatness of this BGM ……this was one of those movies where the stress was given to BGM also ! and the duo didn’t disappoint…..

The same song will have a different feeling when Kalyan Kumar and Devika sing a love duet ! the application of instruments and the interludes will give a pleasant impact to the ears while it will be fearful when it surfaces during the scenes when kalyankumar goes through the old bungalow. The violin interludes will be well supported by the tabla …all executed with perfection ….

Again, the prelude humming will also give the feeling of a lover who has lost / missing her dear lover … a touch of class

AZAGUKKUM MALARUKKUM JAADHIYILLAI – PBS with SJ is another splendid composition by the Duo , giving an horse riding impact rhythm …..the song will appear when the pair singing together while riding on a horse driven vehicle ( during their previous birth )…though the interludes will get repeated, very pleasing to the ears….maintaining the tempo of the song

Later in the mid 70s , MSV also composed for Thunivay thunai , a Jaishankar – S.P.M movie ….and another nerve wracking song …Aagaayathil thottil katee mangai unnai kandaal , its VJ this time and the impact was terrific !
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umaramesh
12-29-2005, 05:08 AM
I thnk MSV composed one more song with VJ.KOONGUMA KOOLANGAL KOVIL KOONDADA and S.Janaki VENMEGAME VENMEGAME in rajinikanth movie AARIYAM JANMANGAL.

regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
12-29-2005, 06:23 AM
Ramesh

I recollected Venmaygamay from Aayiram jenmangal yesterday night and you have mentioned it already !!

Venmegamay is another terrorising composition !! and it came in the mid 70s when Rajini was steadily growing in stature ..though VIjaykumar was the main hero with Lata....

I could also observe some mild similarity between Aayiram jenmangal and Chandramukhi !

rra
12-29-2005, 06:56 AM
Balaji, Ramesh: Let me add the climax song of Aayiram Jenmangal :Azhaikindren, Unnai Azhaikkindren again by SJ.
Also, in a more humorous vein, Thenatrankaraiyinile (?) by LRE in Uttharavindri Ulle Vaa.
rra

S.Balaji
12-29-2005, 07:45 AM
RRA....

The usage of Udukkai inbetween for Thenaatrankarayinilay is another example of Mellisai Mannar's presence of mind and to add more fun to the song !!

MSV .....remarkable personality ....

umaramesh
12-29-2005, 08:30 AM
Hi
Yesterday I saw KARUPPU PANAM. Kavingar Kannadasan movie and he himself did lead role. Here we have to mention about MSV-LRE combination of song. MSV use to give different songs to LRE but we labelled as club dance songs and ignored it. I read from other site that how MSV used so many jazz variety of songs with LRE.film like Vennira adai/ Namnadu(NINAITHATHAI NADATHEEYAE WITH TMS)

In this movie we have AADA VARALLAM. splendid handling of guitar/drums with single voice humming. Espeically when she sings
PAAVAIER ELLAM PAADA VARALAM PADDUM POZUTHEY KADDHAL PERALAM. How casually she sings.

One more outstanding composistion AMMAMMA KELADI THOZHI. Quiet contrast to the earlier song sang by LRE.
Different song for LRE and she did it remarkabley well. I heard that Kannadasan suggested LRE name for this song. EVen LRE said one of the rare song she sang in her career.

MSV used trumphut almost most of his composistion. In this song he used VERY PLEANSTLY to give night effect along with one more instrument(not able to recognize).

regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
12-29-2005, 09:09 AM
[tscii:af96cc2ef1]There are some movies of Makkal Thilagam which were not typical of his type …like Naan yen pirandhen……wherein MGR will appear as a middle aged person, married with children finding it difficult to make both ends meet …..

Even Anbay vaa was a total entertainer… a movie sans fighting ( even the last scene was a fun )

I believe Anbay vaa is the second movie for Mellisai Mannar with MGR after the duo got split , the first one being Kalangarai vilakkam ! great….two evergreen compositions !!
Before taking up an assignment, a seasoned MD should understand the theme and screen play so that one can plan a song for a given situation and how it will impact the movie …and this separates an ordinary MD from a genius like MSV and IR …

The movie is complete in all aspects…for the splendid picturisation ( colour ) , scintillating composition and the background music and above all enjoyable comedy scenes , funny exchanges between MGR and Sarojadevi …. even the hero character of MGR was portrayed like a business head , tired of his fast routine, needs a welcome break and goes off to a hill station to relax in toto

All through the movie, there will be a sweet guitar and accordion BGM …especially the bungalow scenes and whenver MGR meets Sarojadevi …a sort of theme music

When we analyse MGR’s songs, we tend to break into 4 type :

1.Kolgai parrappu - Neenga naala irukkanum naadu munnera, Naan padithen kaanjiyilay netru , Paatathu raajavum , etc
2.Love duets – Countless numbers but I wish to mention a few atleast….Rajavin paarvai, Nalladhu kannay, Sirithaal thanga padhumai, Ulagamengum oray mozi, thangathil mugameduthu , inbamay undhan per penmayo etc……
3.MGR solo – Karai mel pirakka vaithaan, Koduthadhellaam koduthaan, Odum megangalay , adho andha paravai pola etc
4.Duet with a difference - Thulluvadho ilamai, kannay kaniyay muthay maniyay arugay vaa, enna porutham namakkul indha porutham , Naadu adhai naadu , aadaludan paadalai kettu …….

IMO, I will rank NAAN PAARTHADHILAY AVAL ORUTHIYAY THAAN in 4 above…..
A cheerful MGR, in disguise as a tourist though he is the real owner of the bungalow , plays fun with everyone, including Sarojadevi…teases her quite frequently …only to reveal the truth soon that all were for fun …inbetween the jovial exchanges with T.R.Ramachandran and Nagesh ( this is one of Nagesh’s top comedy movies )

Actually the song starts with MGR disappearing suddenly and Saro searches for an elusive voice which comes like an echo……NAAN PAARTHADHILAY…..and Makkal thilagam , in a flash will resurface and starts singing ….. this is another teaser only
MGR’s limitations as a dancer were also well known but somehow he managed to make up for that shortcoming by having short steps and mini movements to make it attractive and appreciable …this song sequence is another instance wherein Makkal thilagam , will make fun at Saro by walking in a funny manner, dancing mildly which will prompt Saro to respond in the later half by singing…Oru naal illai oru naal …..and this will make MG wonder , what she is trying to communicate ! from here he will be a passive player to the song
Lovely picturisation ….extensive coverage of the hill station and the nature at its best !

The song will have a fitting finale with a loud guitar finish….with MG and Saro’s face shown at close quarters…..

A casual MGR , in the early part of the movie will also talk about systems driven organization ! when his assistant Ramdas advises / requests him to take rest and join the office the next day , Makkal thilagam, in a very gentle manner will respond by asking….a good process and systems driven organization with qualified personnel , can function even without a head ! vow …terrific thinking

On seeing the bright sun shining in Shimla , upon reaching , MGR will express all the cheer of someone who had been longing for this moment in life ! somebody so stressed in his work….dearly looking forward to a break ….atlast got it what he wished ! and here comes the famous song…. PUDHIYA VAANAM……PUDHIYA BHOOMI…..
Nice presence of mind from MSV …as MGR will be singing close to the valley, he used echo for Pudhiya vaanam……

The stress that we undergo in our day to day life also prompts us to look for some relaxation either to go to a hill station especially during summer or take a total break from routine and move to some village side and refresh ourselves….and this is what MGR advises us through this total entertainer of a movie …..

A seasoned MD , has to bring out all the requisites through his composition….only few can do it with perfection and melody….MSV was one …….

One will also realize that for the above 4 type of Makkal Thilagam songs, MSV was present at large and had provided lovely compositions and created wonders those days !!
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umaramesh
12-29-2005, 11:19 AM
Balaji
I thnk you forgot to mention NAAN UNGAL VETTU PILLAI from PUDHIYA POOMEI. Fantastic song and lyric by POOVAI SENGUTOVAN. MSV gives top class melody even for KOLGAI PADALGAL of MGR..like THAAI MEL AANAI/BUDDAN YESU GANDHI PIRANTHATHU etc.

coming back to ANBEE VAA. before song starts small bit from MSV which consist of flute/violin which reflects moods of hill station and then TMS starts with very different note NAAN PAARTHATHELAY.

You rightly pointed out about theme music. I think nobody would have listened it or pointed out in those days.This will be played whenever nagesh/mgr/saro meet each other. sameway you can listen theme music in PADAGOTTI/AYARTHIL ORUVAN etc.

We can write separate dicitionary if we started writing duets of MSV scored for MGR. Each of them will have different dimension.samples ENGIRONTHU AASIGAL/CHANDROTHAYAM PEN AANATHO/MAANICKA THERIYIL/MELLA PO MELLA PO/CHINNA VALAI
and then off late THENDRALYLIL AADUM from MADURAIYAI MEETA...

Very different kind of chorus&orchestra for PUDHIYA VANAM song.
ANBE VAA - we can call it as THENN ISAI MAZHAI(but I think they advertised LIKE THIS
only in NINAITHALAEY INNIKUM. like this. OH GOD.)

REGARDS
RAMESH

S.Balaji
12-29-2005, 12:25 PM
Ramesh,

In Karuppu panam, my favourite song is ELLARUM ELLAMUM PERA VENDUM.... the great Kavignar , amongst children, himself singing about Socialism !!

Vallan porul kuvikkum thani udamai....neengi vara vendum thirunaatil podhu udamai...

Vow....thani udamai and podhu udamai....!!! subtle change in the wordings and it conveys his intentions .....

S.Balaji
01-07-2006, 02:39 PM
[tscii:b74187b42b]The late 60s and early 70s witnessed some incredible music from Mellisai Champion…….

Once again it’s the glorious MGR- MSV combination ….for

KANNAN EN KAADHALAN

I restrict myself to the songs only as MGR was ahead of times on picturisation ( Makkal Thilagam did wonders despite the not so advanced stages of cinematography )…probably to overcome his limitations as an actor ( say like Shivaji ) he focused on other finer aspects of making a movie and established himself as a model for future generation. ….sheer survival instinct must have made MGR successful in life …after all when he became a dominant hero, he was already in his late 30s !

The greatness of the 2 legendary personalities MSV and IR stems from the fact that they studied the whole storyline , at times guide the Director as to how and when a song can be positioned so that it will have maximum impact which ultimately will contribute to the overall success of the movie…..such was their professional commitment ….there were instances where both had made mind boggling changes at the last minute to make a tune or a BGM more meaningful …..

There is a reason for highlighting this fact as, in this movie too , a song was needed to PROVOKE and ENTHUSE A HANDICAPPED PERSON TO STAND UP AND DANCE ….

How to make one handicapped character cheerful and stand up , dance ??

The tune, the rhythm and the background music should be so scintillating that it automatically triggers passion and enthusiasm ……..

Here comes a brilliant, imaginative composition from the LITTLE MASTER OF MELODY
PAADUVOR PAADINAAL AADA THONDRUM….True ….. when TMS is the singer , the pulling power of his voice will make even someone down physiologically and psychologically, to get thrilled and stand up to dance !

And when it gets associated with stalwarts like Mellisai mannar, Makkal thilagam ….its something special…….

Its no wonder that JJ will start dancing …. At times twist dance also …..

The situation ….. MGR , in a birthday party, in suit , sitting proudly with a piano and starts …….

TMS starts with somewhat like a virutham…slowly singing Paaduvor paadinaal ( a gentle piano background )

After a brief pause , there will be splendid combination of Piano and violin with tabla and drums and bangoos once again ! ( with just these support instruments MSV created a magic those days ) finally with clapping…..

There will be parallel shots showing a cheerful MGR, the party members , JJ’s foot , trying to control but gradually getting tempted by the pull of the song’s rhythm, shaking of head acknowledging the splendid rhythm and finally will storm in to dance…..

Paaduvor paadinaal aadathondrum…..

The interludes before the charanam …..paatil suvaiyirundhaal aatam thaanay varum…..its a virtual war between flute , piano, violin, tabla again !

One gets tempted to rewind several times when TMS reaches the stage ….Thannai marandhadhu kandu , thulli ezundhadhu vandu…..nooladarndha idai dhaan neliya…nooru kodi vindhai puriya…….nooru kodi vindhai puriya……. A big pause …….and TMS resumes again with a clapping

The tune, the rhythm pattern will all be exact match for the situation…. MG trying to enthuse cheer and audio delight …. will make everyone dance automatically

Also, as the scene warranted Makkal thilagam to sit and play Piano, he was totally restricted from making his routine mannerisms…..Kayyayum kaalayum asaikaamal MGR illai ! but as if he is tied to the instrument, MG will respond to the song ……at times using one hand to run through the piano while using the other hand for demonstrating his expressions ! quite a fascinating character Makkal thilagam is !

The same song will get repeated and this time the scenario will be totally different as Vanishree will be tempted to stand up and dance…..

SIRITHAAL THANGA PADHUMAI…adada adada enna pudhumai…..koduthen endhan manadhai ……. A song which will speak volumes of MSV melody…. Its another gem of a duet from PS – TMS…..This is a typical Makkal thilagam song , loaded with melody….this type of song , one can hear quite regularly in his movies….few examples are Unnai paarthu kondirundhaal paatu varum, Chinnavalai mugam sivandhavalai….

MINIMINAY KANMANIYAY KONDAVALAY ENNIDAMAY…… a song with a difference….rhythm pattern will be different …..TMS this time with LRE …its one of the best of LRE

One reason why MSV songs are still being cherished now , could be that of his long association with Makkal thilagam…..who must have made MSV work overtime and stretch to the maximum so that the best output comes….the more you ignite a gold and more will be its shine …..

I have heard that some of MSV - MGR’s rejected tunes were used for other movies and they also became hits later !

MSV's melodies have no boundaries !

How could he give so many melodies with so much consistency !!

I continue to wonder the enchanting melodies from the Little Master of tamil film music [/tscii:b74187b42b]

rajeshkrv
01-07-2006, 03:33 PM
b'ful lyrics by vaali

rajeshkrv
01-07-2006, 03:34 PM
kangalirandum vidi vilakkaga is also from the same film

S.Balaji
01-08-2006, 06:18 AM
Rajesh KRV,

I think KANGALIRANDUM is from Oli vilakku ??

rajeshkrv
01-08-2006, 05:45 PM
balaji then it shld be vizhiye vizhiye unakkenna velai

i'm talking abt the duet b/t mgr and vanishree

rra
01-09-2006, 02:05 AM
Balaji, rajeshkrv: Kangalirandum is from Kannan En Kaadalan.It is MGR-Vanishree. I guess there is another duet
"Gettikkaariyin Poyyum Purattum..""
rra

SN23
01-09-2006, 04:18 AM
Hi All, Let me clarify and summarise :-)

vizhiyE vizhiyE unakkenna vElai
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Film: Pudhiya boomi
MD: Govardhan
Singers: TMS & PS
Stars: MGR & Jayalalitha

kaNgaLiraNdum vidi viLakkAga
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Film: kaNNan en kAdhalan
MD: MSV
Singers: TMS & PS
Stars: MGR & VaNisri

gettikkAriyin poyyum purattum
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Film: kaNNan en kAdhalan
MD: MSV
Singers: TMS & Kousalya (only last 2 lines)
Stars: MGR & VaNisri

rra
01-09-2006, 04:41 AM
SN23: Just one correction: Pudiya Bhoomi, MD is MSV.
rra

S.Balaji
01-09-2006, 05:58 AM
Dear All

Thanks for all the information.

Though I have heard both Kangalirandum and Gettikaariyin songs , its interesting to note that these 2 also form part of Kannan en kadhalan !

MSV is an outstanding composer .....

Yes , Viiziyay viziyay is from Puthiya boomi and the composer is Mellisai Mannar only.
There are 2 more splendid songs in Puthiya boomi :

1. Naan ungal veetu pillai ( typical Makkal thilagam song )
2. Chinnavalai mugam sivandhavalai

S.Balaji
01-09-2006, 05:27 PM
[tscii:ff5b2a57e9]By the time when the great Sridhar directed AVALUKENDRU ORU MANAM , Kadhal Mannan Gemini was past his youthful days…..

One can clearly spot the ageing star , must have been in the late 40s ( here I admire Makkal thilagam for having maintained his physique like a superman though he was also looking very aged in later stages …ofcourse its too much to expect even from a personality like MGR to be young for too long…)

Even Sridhar was bereft of ideas in this movie…..if one sees this movie, you will wonder what went wrong with him as most of the characters will be listless…..

The beautiful ( once upon a time Air hostess ) Kanchana and the Kannada star Barathi were looking like his daughters but still Kadhal mannan was continuing to play a hero role…..

BUT THE EMPEROR OF MELLISAI WAS ALWAYS YOUTHFUL………

There are 3 lovely songs to list :

1.Aaayiram niniavu …aayiram kanavu……- SPB solo for Gemini

This song is well known for humming and fast beat…..Another trait of MSV was that when he switches over to charanam, he will always use tabla only while in the pallavi , he will use Drums and bangoos…and I will call it as signature MSV and this song was no exception …..just listen to the charanam …poovai allithandhall indha poonthendral annam…you will realize what I say….

2.Unnidathil ennai koduthen ….SJ

One should listen to this song purely for SJ’s silken voice and the CLASSICAL SHENOY INTERLUDES INBETWEEN…

But one of my all time MSV wonder and an evergreen song from PS is :

MALAR EDHU UN KANGAL THAAN ENDRU SOLVENADEE…..

Vow , what a splendid start ……IT WAS WAY AHEAD OF TIMES…. Probably Sridhar wanted a song for the heroene Barathi who will be swimming and singing a song and this must have prompted MSV to come out with an on dot composition ….

Just listen to the prelude and you will wonder where the legend is taking us ……

Infact for the prelude , MSV used just his customary Violin and drums only but its another MAGIC….

The prelude will start like in a very gentle manner before PS takes off ( continuing in the same flow of the prelude ) MALAR EDHU UN KANGAL THAAN ENDRU SOLVENAADEEE…..

This song also featured a pleasant chorus as background support after PS completes every charanam…..which adds more flavour…..

While Barathi will be swimming and singing , Gemini will be casually walking on the platform enjoying ……

The picturisation will be crisp and clean ….just covering the 2 characters …..

The beauty of this song is the way its built……the intial phase will be very warm and gentle as PS starts with a mild tone…….

As the song picks up pace and reaches the end of charanam, PS will go in high pitches with lovely humming ….similar to the tone of Barathi !

And , that’s the greatness of PS ! the way she understands the pulse of the song, the situation, the actress , the impact that the song will make to the movie……all will get reflected through her golden voice !

One could hear a different PS in this song …..

PS followed different style for the stars….we all know how she sings for JJ or for that matter Vanishree…..

The same PS will be classy for Sarojadevi or Savithri or K.R.Vijaya

Here again, in this song, its for Barathi and you can find the subtle difference !

How MSV came up with this type of composition ?? can someone enlighten us please ?

The only relief to the movie was pleasant picturisation , including this song …..

All said and done, I feel sad that ONE OF THE BEST COMPOSITIONS OF MELLISAI MANNAR WAS WASTED BY THE GREAT SRIDHAR as this movie was clueless and listless performance by Sridhar…..
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umaramesh
01-10-2006, 04:57 AM
balaji
master piece from MSV. We still remember this movie becasue of Master composistion.

IR&GKV was part of this song recording.
You wont believe MSV finsihed this song recording in two hrs time.
IR was very surprised about the speed and he was under impression that it will take minimum two days to finish this recording. Imagine those days they will do live rehersal before song recording.

Balaji: You forgot MANGAIRIL MAGARANI SPB-PS duet. Another oustanding duet from this movie.

regards
ramesh

umaramesh
01-10-2006, 05:21 AM
Hi
Another gem of collection from MSV.

Film: MUTHANNA MUTHALLAVO

SONG:ENNAKRU KADHALI IRUKINRAL
SUNG BY MSV&SPB.before going to this song I wanted to tell about Mellisai mannar sang himself some of the songs.

1.VASSANTHANGAL VARUM MUNNAE
2. EVER GREEN "SOLLATHAN NINAIKEREN
3. TOP NUMBER "NEE ILLANDHA IDAMA ILLIAI "FROM CHO MOIVE
4.THE MAJESTIC "ETHRKUM ORU KALAM UNDU" SIVAGAMYIN SELVAN
5. ENCHANTING "NEERANA NEDUCHALAI" FROM KAVIYA THALAIVI
6. THE FAMOUS 'KANDATHAI SOLLU KERAN"
7. UNNAKANNA KURACHAL FOR OTHER MELODY MAKER V.KUMAR
8. KANNADASAN COMBO "KUDUMBAM ORU KADAMBAM"
9. THE SCINTILLATING "SAMBO SIVA SAMBO"

I think MSV not willing to sing as he refused THAIVAM THANTHA VEEDU as KB&Producer put lot of pressure on him to sing this song.

Coming back to this song MSV starts with his majestic voice with piano and SPB followed in the second stanza. Thengai and Jaiganesh acted in this scene. You should hear piano&voilin combination in the end of the song.

Another gem from this same movie. This time SPB solo. MARGAZIP PANNIYIL.

amazing kind of variation through out the song.

Listen how joyul rendition from SPB: MAAN ORU KANNIL and ends with ISAI PAADI.

Like earlier song mentioned by balaji(AVALKKU ENRU OR MANAM)this composistion also AHEAD OF TIME.

regards
ramesh

rra
01-10-2006, 06:09 AM
ramesh, balaji: thoroughly enjoying your discussion/analysis. May i add the haunting"Ellorum Parkka"
by LRE in Avalukkendru...
rra

umaramesh
01-10-2006, 09:09 AM
Hi rra

Thanks. Actually I am searching for this song without knowing this was from "Avalukkendru...

one more THENIZHI MAZAI from MSV.

ramesh

S.Balaji
01-10-2006, 12:42 PM
[tscii:1c988e3ca8]Ramesh

Amazing to note that Malar edhu song was recorded in such a short time……Equally interesting to hear that GKV –IR had taken part in the recording !

IMO, its one of the toughest compositions and altogether different those days…

Enakku oru varutham…..

You know , MSV is such a humble person that he himself had forgotten so many splendid composing he had given all these years….He used to mention in most of his programmes that MADHANA MAALIGAI from Rajapart Rangadurai is his favourite song ….

Indeed, it’s a beautiful composition but when there are 1000s of such great songs he had tuned, I wonder how he consider this as his favourite !!


RRA ….

Thanks for pointing out YELLORUM PAARKA ….its one of the best of LRE … One will get lured to dancing automatically on hearing the rhythm…

Shall I say that this rhythm is also signature MSV …. I could hear this pattern in Viziyay kadhai ezudhu also

I also missed out MANGAYARIL MAGARAANI ……which is known for fast beat……a fantastic composition…lovely sitar interludes…..

This again disappoints me as another beautiful song had been wasted through this movie Avalukendru oru manam…..


Ramesh……

Great recollection of Yenakoru kaadhalee irukindraal !!

You should also listen to the swaram rendition by MSV during the pallavi stage which he will also repeat with a laughter ….

I also noticed a subtle change in Balu’s voice …..it will be like a STUDENT SINGING BEFORE A MASTER !

Oru guruvidam , sishyan eppadi panivodu nadandhu kolvaaro …..appadi oru panivu ….adakkam …..all reflecting in his voice

SPB will be so polite and gentle when he repeats what MSV sings ……

Enakku migavum piditha idam…when MSV completes….Naadham avaladhu thamiyosai………He will virtually play with the tune !

You will also observe quite a decent performance by Jai Ganesh , the tantrums from Thengai notwithstanding !

This song is also known for lovely violin usage , similar to that of Vaan nilaa nilaa alla from Pattina pravesam…..

My another favourite in this movie is Maargazee paniyil….mayangiya iravil….oorvasi vandhaal…..

Thanks to you all for the nice memories….


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umaramesh
01-11-2006, 05:06 AM
[tscii:fce4ef0e74]Balaji

You know , MSV is such a humble person that he himself had forgotten so many splendid composing he had given all these years….He used to mention in most of his programmes that MADHANA MAALIGAI from Rajapart Rangadurai is his favourite song ….

Indeed, it’s a beautiful composition but when there are 1000s of such great songs he had tuned, I wonder how he consider this as his favourite

MADHANA MAALIGAI favourite song for most of the people which I come across, i.e those who practice carnatic even today and undergone training with reputed carnatic personality. I am unable to express sameway which they explained to me about the tune and change of tune after first stanza etc. They use to wonder how MSV casually he changed the tune when PS starts with MOOGUM MUNNAGA RAAGAM PINNAGA MOZHANGUM SANGEETHA KUYILGAL and even interlude changed completely . Again TMS starts with different note PACHAI MOOKUTHI MANJAL NEERADI and both TMS&PS ends with
KADAI/EEDAI . one cannot imagine.

You can see lot of changes in song pattern as well as orchestra with usual MSV melody. Song ends with usual note.

It is very difficult to convince that THIS IS THE BEST .

one more song , I will rate top class of MSV AAGAYA PANDHALEEYLE from POONUNJAL . Wow. You might get struck at the prelude but by the time song would have finished. fast paced .
Veena/mrindangam/shenoy. MSV oru chinna katcheri pannirupar.

regarsd
ramesh

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S.Balaji
01-11-2006, 09:57 AM
Ramesh

Aagaya pandhalilay, if I am not wrong, its a carnatic based song . MADHYAMAAVATHEE ....

A true class composition from MSV

rra
01-12-2006, 08:01 AM
Ramesh, Balaji: This is what MSV said about Madana Maaligai
in a programme (in fact one of a series of programmes) on jaya TV some years back. Apparently, he had provided eight (yes)!! tunes for the song and the producer/director etc. were splitting hairs as to which one to choose. Then on e of the boys who came to deliver tea/coffee whispered to mSV that 1 and 4 (I do not remeber the exact numbers) would make a great song. Which is what finally clicked. So when TMS sings "madana maaligayile" and PS follows suit immediately with the same words, the tunes for the two lines were originally meant as two different tunes. Possibly this pattern was followed throughout the song. May be that is why this song sounds special (of course, as pointed out so do countless more MSV songs). MSV ended the story in characteristic style by adding that the critics complimented him bys aying that he had introduced a new composing technique!! may be this (real)story is common knowledge but i thought i would say it anyway.
rra

jeyaramg
01-15-2006, 10:56 AM
Balaji, Ramesh ,

I have been following this thread actively as 'The Greatest MSV' is my most favorite in the entire music fraternity. I too have wondered (and continues to wonder) at his amazing , unimaginable and unparallel compositions (like Malar edhu, Madana Maligayil etc... list can be endless as you have rightly pointed out).
I am familiar with a few like minded friends and I think you should join our club of MSV Rasikas. We could probably try to understand MSV's work a bit more , if feasible. Pl provide your contacts. You may mail me at jeyaramg@yahoo.com also.

I think Agaya pandaliley is based on Kurunji ragam ( like 'Seetha kalyanam vaibogame... sung in marriages).

- Jeyaram G

S.Balaji
01-15-2006, 11:39 AM
RRA...

In fact I also watched that programme in Jaya tv ....Its interesting that the tea boy' suggestion was considered for such a wonderful song !

Now, I am getting a feeling that IR's Poomaalay thol seravaa from Pagal nilavu succeeds Madhana maaligai song....

Again, in the same programme MSV described how parakkum pandhu parakkum was composed ! its was quite funny as he put his index finger onto his mouth and generated a tok sound for giving the ball badminton effect !

S.Balaji
01-15-2006, 11:44 AM
Jayaram...

Hearty welcome to the Hub....We will definitely be in touch through mails but please contribute your part in TFM thread as there are plenty of MSV fans here ...

Looking forward to some outstanding compositions of the king of mellisai which captivated you

S.Balaji
01-15-2006, 11:47 AM
Another outstanding composition is ULAGAMENGUM ORAY MOZHI from Naadodee.....

TMS and PS at their best......

umaramesh
01-17-2006, 06:08 AM
Balaji
yes. different style . I think this song is from the film NADAODI.

I think MSV mixed western style , especially in trumphat and violin sound.

By the bye you heard this song ? KADHAL VILLAYADA(Spb/ps).Fantastic song.

jayaram: nice to hear that you are also MSV fan. Looking forward to your writing.

regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
01-17-2006, 07:38 AM
Ramesh

Indeed Ulagamengum is from Nadodee only. This movie also has fantastic numbers like :

1. Thirumbi vaa
2. Naadu adhai naadu


A very different Makkal thilagam in this movie... WIll be light hearted and jovial ...often cracking jokes at Sarojadevi.....

Kaadhal vilayaada was a beauty of early 70s for Shivakumar and Lakshmi from Seer varisai I think...lyrics by Kavignar
there is another melodious song...Oram kadaloram which you pointed out earlier sometime back ......

rra
01-18-2006, 02:03 AM
Balaji: Naadodi has another superb song "Kangalinaal" sung brilliantly by PS. Of course, "Androru Naal" is a very popular number from the same movie; if i recall right, there are two versions of this song.
rra

umaramesh
01-18-2006, 08:45 AM
Hi
Continue with Nadodi song(Ulagum engum)I am adding one more special from MSV.

Song: SWING SWING UNADHU OONJAL NAAN
FILM: VANAAKATHU KURIYA KATHALIE

This film was released during 70's and we all know ADIYENNAI PARAMMA song very well from this movie.

I was spell bound while listening this song (ofcourse after a along time). Song start with piano, it is like touching with bird feather.
Interlude start with guitar followed by violin. Special thing is repeat of violin again and agin with flute . Wow how melodious. Hear the voice of JC when starts stylishly NEJAODU ULLA SUMAIGAL and Vani jeyaram MY DARLING INTHA MAYAKKAM with support from trumphut.

Normlly MSV use to concentrate more of lyric part and use to compose for lyric but I think this song was done for the tune.
Different composistion and gentle singing from JC&VJ.
You can feel the cool evening kind of feeling throughout the song.

regards
ramesh

umaramesh
01-18-2006, 08:50 AM
Balaji
Both the song (kadhal vilayada&Odam) from KANMANI RAJA.
Amzing orchestra in both the songs. Our great SPB goes out of the world when he sings EATHO ATHU EATHO ATHAI NANAUM NINIKINREN.

ramesh

umaramesh
02-28-2006, 06:10 AM
MSV agree to do new film with V.C.Guganathan(who was story writer for the film PUDHIYA BHOOMI).This film is remake from Telegu done by V.C.Guganathan itself. Name of the film is ITHU MGR ILLAM.Rajkiran is acting in this film. This story was super hit in telegu.

Nice to hear that Genius agree to compose Music after a long time.
regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
03-01-2006, 10:23 AM
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Mellisai Mannar’s era was at its peak in the early 70s which also saw the peak period of the great KB. It was a wonderful combination of KB, MSV , Ananthu ( KB’s right hand and Kamal’s mentor ) , Kavignar , B.Loganathan ( camera ) …..

AVAL ORU THODAR KATHAI…. one of the mid 70 movies which was spoken and debated at length……..

KAVITHA , a working woman, shouldering the responsibility of a large dependant family members, a fit for nothing elder brother with his family comprising wife and 2 children , a widow sister, father deserting the family very early…taking up sanyas…..

Having come across tough situations very early in her life, the character becomes too hot for those who come across …one gets an impression that she is very haughty and arrogant…….to demonstrate her toughness, KB show various scenes in the initial part of the movie like throwing her drunken brother out of the house, teasing him at regular intervals only to provoke him on self consciousness and take up more responsibilities ……ridiculing her Father who appears briefly …….but she also had a kind and gentle heart like that of a flower

Again, when questioned about her sincerety by every member of the family, Kavitha throws the pass book of each individual member in the cental hall of the house explaining with a wry smile what she had been doing silently all these years….as she touches member by member, KB shows tears pouring out from everyone’s eyes and one’s heart feel heavy for the character….beautiful presentation by KB about the systematic way Kavitha had been preserving all her hard earned savings for the benefit of the family without leaving even a single penny for her…..

KB, in a nice manner, makes the character quite frequently exchange her thoughts with her lover ……share her family issues and her personal life and the challenges that she has to come across in day to day life while Vijayakumar, the lover will be caringly listening to her and will be an understanding guy……will be very sympathetic with her but he will be under pressure to get married and hence he will also apply pressure on the character Kavitha…. To convey a meaningful song in between and a relaxation for audience a beautiful melody once again from Mellisai Mannar …. KANNILAY ENNA UNDU KANGAL THAAN ARIYUM…..KALLILAY ERAM UNDU KANGALAA ARIYUM…. EN MANAM ENNA VENDRU ENNAI ANDRI YAARUKKU THERIYUM… a real beauty from SJ… Kavignar at his best when he writes….. NAAN KONDA NERUPPU ANAIKINDARA NERUPPU….YAAR ANAIPAARO …IRAIVANIN PORUPPU…..

Here MSV once again demonstrates his greatness by subtle usage of instruments to convey the softness in the character ….just listen to the song and you will appreciate the presence of mind of MSV is giving the apt interludes for the given situation….. all comes by experience



Like any other young woman, she also had likes and dislikes, but had to sacrifice all her personal life in the larger interests of the family……at one stage , she had to sacrifice her lover also in pursuit of getting her widow sister re-married ….it was an extraordinary gesture on her part….

Despite all the problems back home, she manages to tow the family ship and makes everyone settle down in life and in the process completely loses her personal life……

And ultimately continues to support the family …traveling again in the same old PTC bus which she used to earlier…….

KB’s penchant for inserting a SITUATION ORIENTED SONG is well known …..

Here comes another situation in this memorable movie wherein KAMAL ( a mini character who will be her neighbour and a specialist in mimicry ) sings one of the most memorable song of the mid 70s….

Its another arena for Mellisai Mannar to come good and he didn’t disappoint….he was class personified in the song …..KADAVUL AMAITHU VAITHA MEDAI INAIKKUM KALYANA MAALAI….

While another wedding takes place in her family, KB shows all the key characters in this song through mind boggling lyrics by Kavignar…..

INNAARKU INNAAR ENDRU …EZUDHI VAITHAANAY DEVAN ANDRU….……

Totally a different type of a song , a welcome deviation from routine songs……It’s a very interesting song with Kamal ( supported by Sadan ) doing mimicry in the wedding reception …

This song is a different variety from Mellisai Mannar again…..as he will bring the entire wild life to stage through mimicry…..at the same time keeping the situation intact !

As the song reaches the final stage, SPB sings the UNFORGETTABLE WORDS….

ORU KILI KAYYODU ORU KILI KAI SERTHU URAVUKKUL NUZAINDHADHAMAA – These words are to address Sripriya and Vijayakumar getting married

ULLASA VAAZKAYAY URAVUKKU KODUTHITA ORU KILI ODHUNGUDHAMAA – KB will show poor Sujatha , with a gentle smile and disappointment hidden inside, gradually moving away from the stage….

Kavignar makes us shed tears when he pens the final words…..

APPAVEE AAN KILI THAPPAGA NINAITHADHU APPODHU PURINDHADHAMAA….

ADHU EPPODHUM KILIALLA …KINATRU THAVALAI DHAAN IPPODHU PURINDHADHAMAA……..

What a lovely character our KB had presented some 30 years ago !

This song, along with DEIVAM THANDHA VEEDU – KJY ….were widely heard all through the year…
Mellisai Mannar was worshipped like anything for his splendid contribution to the success of the movie….even the re-recording was very effective …especially the climax scene when Jaiganesh gets ran over by the suburban train…..

KJY became a famous figure thanks to the song …Deivam thandha veedu…. Which followed Viziyay kadhai yezudhu from Urimai Kural ( again its MSV only )…followed by Adhisaya raagam from Apoorva rangangal….

KJY firmly established his place through the above 3 splendid composition from Mellisai Mannar….

There is another song...Adi ennadi ulagam...its typical LRE special !

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vijayr
03-01-2006, 09:09 PM
Balaji, your quoting of the appropriate lines from the songs makes your writeup interesting to read. MSV-KB combination was special.AvaL oru thodarkadhai is but a stellar example.

rra
03-02-2006, 01:37 AM
balaji: There is one more song " Aadumadi Thottil" sung by PS, in Aval Oru....
rra

umaramesh
03-02-2006, 06:47 AM
Hi Balaji
welcome back. started with bang that too our favourite MSV.

I think you forgot AADI ENNADI ULAGAM song by LRE.

High pitch song and this one also tuned to suit particular character.

KOODU POTTU NIRKA SONNAL SEETHAI NIRKA VILLAYE
SEETHAI ANGU NIRRUINDHAL RAMAN KATHAI ILLAYE.

Jeyalakshmi got nick name of PADA PAT after this song.

Jeyalakshmi character also interesting one in this film.

I am able to recollect one dialgoue:

Jeyalaksmi use to take lift from stranger everyday to go to office. Sujatha refuse to accompany her and she will reply like that
BUS LA POONA KANDAVAN IDDIPAN ATHUKU ETHU EVVALAVU PARAVA ILLAYA

Bold dialogues that too in the 70's.

to be precise KJY got new lead of life after THAIVAM THANTHA VEEDU. MSV&KJY combo became super hit especially MANAIVI AMAIVATHELLAM/MALARAYE KURINJI MALARAYAE/VIZHIYEE KATHAI EZUTHU etc. I remeber seeing KJY singing THAIVAM THANTHA VEEDU SONG first line for the VICKS ADVERTISEMENT. He became so popular because of this song.

ramesh

S.Balaji
03-02-2006, 08:35 AM
RRA....

yes aadumadi thottil is another melody from the master....and the situation was when sripriya gets conceived ...it will be really sad to see sujatha controlling her emotions and conducting the function by taking the lead as elder sister.....
the music will be apt to the situation......

Ramesh.......

thanks a lot....

Adi ennadi ulagam is a typical LRE special ....
you are right.... jayalakshmi got that nick name after this movie only......

yes it was a different subject altogether those days and Kavitha character was widely discussed and debated those days......

ramesh..... pls come over to app thread and post about another our MSV special

S.Balaji
03-02-2006, 12:35 PM
[tscii:61d0e45a2f]MSV and melody are inseparable. The MSV dominated early 70s witnessed another splendid melody ...........

and this time it was for KR Vijaya ....

K.R.VIJAYA …..ever since she made her debut in Karpagam…..an actress who could sustain for a lengthy duration….

A leading actress for long despite competition…..

Interestingly, KRV’s peers and successors faded over a period of time but she was still in the limelight for several years !

Generally film industry will write off a heroene once she gets married. Also, the youth doesn’t last long which also had been a factor determining the star value. However KRV was the only actress who successfully maintained her stardom even after her marriage….

besides she could play a middle aged woman role quite with ease…..this was needed as a support cast for Nadigar thilagam in the 70s….

It will be superfluous if I say that KRV was very very popular amongst the women of mid 60s up to mid 70s….ask some one belonging to the said period and she will vouch for KRV ! Another reason for this could be she played lots of Amman roles which made her famous amongst the masses…

You name any actor of yesteryears and KRV would have paired with him ! Makkal thilagam, nadigar thilagam, Jaishankar , Gemini Ganesh etc …KRV had worked successfully to give some memorable movies in the late 60s and early 70s…..

However, the one movie which KRV herself will cherish forever could be DHEERKA SUMANGALI….

Directed by K.S.G., this movie featured a galaxy of stars headed by Muthuraman as husband of KRV….

The main theme focused on the love and emotional bondage , intimacy between husband and wife of Muthu and KRV ….its takes the various stages in their life…..how they manage successfully with an excellent understanding of each other…give and take ….more or less like Amitabh’s Baghban !

ONE OF THE BEST SONGS OF EARLY 70s appeared in this movie….

And this song which is probably VANI JAYARAM ‘s FIRST IN TFM is one of the most memorable songs of Mellisai Mannar, KRV, Muthu and VJ herself !

MALLIGAI YEN MANNAN MAYANGUM PONNAANA MALAR ALLAVO

Shall we go to the need for this Kaalathai vendra oru paadal ?

Young and recently married couple – Muthu and KRV…..getting annoyed with behaviour of some relatives….unable to control his anger and frustration …..comes back home …upset…..with what happened that day……

His intimate life partner , KRV , like any other wife …quickly assesses the mood of her beloved hubby ….and starts cajoling him and comforts him with a splendid number……

For those friends who are married, are you not seeking solace and comfort from your wife whenever you get disturbed …only a wife will understand what her husband thinks and what he expects and quickly gives her best …shares with him , his good and bad and absorbs everything…. Virtues of an Indian woman….this is what married life is all about
When I mention this, my thoughts automatically goes to the golden lyrics in Un Kannil neer vazhindhaal en nenjil from Vietnam veedu wherein Kavignar will make our hearts pain by penning ….kala chumai thaangi polay…maarbil enai thaangi…veezum kaneer thudaipaai…. Adhil yen vimmal thanindhadadee…….aalam vizudhugal pol uravu ayiram vandhumenna ……Yen thevayai yaar arivaar ……unnai pol deivam ondray ariyum !

KSG , beautifully demonstrates this great Indian concept in this song…..if you read the song , you will realize what a splendid wordings that Kavignar had given and what a lovely voice VJ possessed those days and what a pleasant piece of acting KRV and Muthu did in this song !

The wife character doesn’t have any ego ….she says ….EN MANNAN MAYANGUM PONNAANA MALAR ALLAVO ! Malligai poo is one of the commonly available flowers in Tamil nadu and every household will have this without fail and Kavignar touches this through his lyrics…

While in the initial part of the song, Muthu will be very upset , the director will show the gradual reconciling of Muthu and gets cooled down totally by his wife’s comforting song and gets back to normalcy …from here , he will start admiring her !

The nicely developed screen play takes the pair to the next generation and shows the various motions on how they manage with the changing times before finally calling it a day…..together….

As the movie draws to a close, the golden voice of PS sings DHEERKA SUMANGALAI VAAZGAVAY….INDHA THIRUMAGAL KUNGUMAM VAAZGAVAY…

Drew huge crowd especially women to theatres

Needless to mention, this movie was very successful in the box office….

Back to the song ………The senior master never failed on melody ! this song was no exception….with delicate touch….MSV echoes the fondness of a loving wife through One can hear VJ’s golden voice modulation when she sings…Pon aana malar allavo ……and also during…..nam illam sorgam thaan….
This song is so attached to VJ that wherever she sings, the audience will ask for this number first …VJ is one of those GIFTED singers in the 70s who had given some scintillating songs …..which are evergreen …..

MSV shows his presence of mind by precise usage of instruments like flute , rhythm guitar and tabla in a very subtle manner.. a real master of melody……
Its nice to hear once again from the same old golden voice intact with VJ when she sang sometime back in Jaya TV …and this makes me wonder whether VJ was born to sing this song !?

MSV soon composed another beauty.... NADHAMENNUM KOVILILAY....

EZU SWARANGALUKKUL ETHANAI PAADAL

KELVIYIN NAAYAGANAY

It goes without saying that MSV was the chief architect of giving a gem of a singer .... VANI JAYARAM.... and no wonder that she admires MSV even today......






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umaramesh
03-03-2006, 06:44 AM
[tscii:683bd9bd41]Balaji

Malligai poo is one of the commonly available flowers in Tamil nadu and every household will have this without fail and Kavignar touches this through his lyrics…

Hats off to you. comment abut MALLIGAI POO. Have you noticed that you can feel intimacy in orchestra also. Violin&flute/Sitar sounds like KONJAL/EKKAM etc. MSV will bring the situation in front of your eyes .

I can recollect one more incidence from VJ interview. This is about MADURAI MEETA SUNDARA PANDIYAN SONG. MSV was busy and he finalised four or five tunes for THENDRALIL ADDUM KONTHALI KANDEN SONG. He called VJ over phone and started singing the tunes continously and made changes instantly wherever required.
VJ elaborated how fast MSV changed the pattern of the song when she started singing. All these happend in fifteen minutes that too over phone. VJ was with tears when she elaborated her association with MSV. You can notice MSV gave mostly carnatic based songs to VJ.

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S.Balaji
03-03-2006, 08:36 AM
Ramesh,

yes yes I have highlighted in red, the subtle usage of instruments and the interludes for this song malligai and thats MSV special .....

Nice to hear about VJ recollecting the past events.....

Its true, as you mentioned MSV used VJ for carnatic based songs as she was an expert in that

pls come over to app thread

S.Balaji
03-04-2006, 09:52 AM
[tscii:4268cf0da7]Do you want to know the apt definition for SADDIST ??

See… AVARGAL…….and observe the Rajini character named Balasubramaniam..

Its another KB creation of the 70s………

The formative phase of Shivaji Rao Gaekwad and a youthful Ulaga naayagan , Kadhal Ilavarasan ……also the intial years of Sujatha after Aval oru thodar kathai…..

Sujatha and Ravikumar are lovers ( that Ishwara Pandian character in Chitti tele serial ) but for various reasons , gets married to Rajini …..and gets a son also…soon realizes that Rajini is a full fledged Saddist …..Unable to tolerate his irritation, gets separated and moves to another city and joins a Company where Kamal is a fellow staff….. Sujatha develops friendship with Kamal and shares all her problems with him who caringly listens to her and tries his best to help her out and be a guardian….. as time goes by, Kamal starts loving Sujatha knowing her full background and wants to marry her but Sujatha is unaware of this…….

A stage comes when Sujatha comes across her erstwhile lover Ravikumar once again and Ravi persuades her that even now nothing is lost in life and lets get married and live happily ….. Sujatha feels thrilled with happiness and joy now and concludes that all her bad days are over and prepares herself to join Ravikumar …….

AND AT THIS MOMENT , RAJINI RESURFACES FROM NO WHERE and profusely apologises to Sujatha to forget all his past misdeeds and join him again ……Rajini’s dramatic change in the attitude gets Sujatha into a triangle now as she is unable to decide who will be the most ideal partner ….. is it Rajini or Ravikumar ( Kamal never comes to her mind as for her Kamal is a good friend and guardian only )

ONE OF THE STRENGTHS OF KB IS ON PRESENTING A SONG SEQUENCE WHICH WILL BE SITUATION BASED…..rarely one can see KB introducing a meaningless song……

Mellisai Mannar, Kavignar, Loganathan and KB join together to give another jem …… ANGUM INGUM PAADHAI UNDU….. INDRU NEE ENDHA PAKKAM ??

Out of Kavignar’s 1000s of songs, I wish to pick this as somewhat special ….

Lets move to the lyrics now…….

ANGUM INGUM PAADHAI UNDU , INDRU NEE ENDHA PAKKAM
NYAYIR UNDU , THINGAL UNDU , UNDHAN NAAL EDHU DHAANO……….

Most ideal start to a song wherein the heroene is totally confused on who is better and who is her ultimate life partner

Kavignar poses a question by coining words …… you have several options , which one you are going to chose ??

KB had already taken the best out of Kavignar as the start itself is so striking…..

The charanam is more interesting…..

KALLAI KANDAAL, KANIYAY KANDAAL……..KALLUM INGAY MELLA MELLA KANIYUM UNMAI KANDAAL !!!

Kavignar had thoroughly read the situation

Rajini is compared to a stone while Ravikumar is equated to a fruit ….and here Kavignar beautifully depicits the change in attitude of Rajini by framing the words…. KALLUM INGAY MELLA MELLA KANIYUM !!
Terrific improvisation of his own initial wordings ! Only Kavignar can do such things….

The second charanam is much more interesting….

KANNNA ENDRAAL , MURUGAN VANDHAAN …… MURUGAN ENDRAAL , KANNAN VANDHAAN , ENDHA DEIVAM SONDHAM ENDRU POOVAI POOJAI SEIVAAL ??

KB shows the various characters in the song ….. a camouflaged Rajini, pretending to be very sincere , a devoted lover Ravikumar watching Sujatha from neighbourhood , the predicament and dilemma of Sujatha character and the innocent kid ……all playing their role to perfection……

While admiring the lyrics, we tend to forget the ETERNAL MASTER OF MELODY, Mellisai Mannar’s silken touch to the song and also SPB who gave another superb performance….. Balu’s voice modulation will be lovely….

MSV is such a genius that he knew what is going to be his role for this song as a MD and obliged with his classic composition….. Some how he had taken over SOFTNESS in music as his forte……

One can clearly identify MSV class in this song as he didn’t waste any second for prelude as the song appears at the most sensitive stage of the movie ….. a situation when Sujatha has to decide her ultimate partner ……so MSV decides there should be no prelude and makes Balu sing straight away …

For interludes , the senior master uses just few instruments like Sitar, solo violin , rhythm guitar , tabla and subtle use of drums …..created another wonderful melody

I get emotional whenever I hear this song, as my memory goes way back to the mid 70s when this lovely movie was released…. I saw the Malayalam version also which was also quite nicely presented…..

Rajini will play the role to perfection ….. always will talk mild mannered but will pinch Sujatha consistently all through the movie…..a different type of a villain , a deviation from a normal villain

To be precise in tamil….. INDHA POONAYUM PAALAI KUDIKKUMAA ?? that type of a character …..

Poor Sujatha character will finally chose Rajini as her option which will once again prove to be a disaster …when she tries to reach him, KB , in his own inimitable manner will show Rajini coming out , newly wedded ! and she will face the biggest shock of her life……

One will get hot with seeing Rajini….. we will feel like killing him instantly for having tortured Sujatha psychologically and that’s the great success of KB’s characterization of Rajini ! KB compensates the audience finally by making a boy throw stone at Rajini in the end……

The Sujatha character doesn’t end here ….. she panicks now and will be left with the only other option to chose and she will run to join Ravikumar but alas …. Only to see him also coming out , wedded to another woman !! ( as Sujatha reveals her intentions to go back to Rajini, Ravikumar will gracefully accept her decision and move away )

Slowly she will tread back and decides to move out to another city…..

Here comes Kamal now to express his feelings….at this juncture, unable to bear any more disappointments , shocks and disasters, Sujatha will plead to Kamal ….. Please , I have been admiring you for long about your nice character….please please do not disappoint me and I want no more shocks in life….Despite all the sufferings, I have never cried in life and please don’t make me do that !!

Saying this, Sujatha sits calmly with her kid in the train…… while Kamal will be bidding adieu with a tinge of sadness in his face….

Kamal character is another beauty from KB….. altogether different compared to what he did in Apoorva ragangal… frequently using the mask boy to convey his feelings……a character totally underplaying ….actually it’s a support role only but Kamal is Kamal and he proved his class….

Wish to write more about this movie……

MSV did an IR type composition !! and its KAATRUKENNA VELI , KADALUKKENA MOODI…..
One can write an essay about this splendid composing as MSV uses mirudhangam , chorus with swaram to its awesome best……its SJ this time coming out with lovely rendition……One can identify a distinct change in the approach of MSV to this song ….I am not writing much about this song as my focus is on the song Angumingum paadhai undu….

MSV is not finished yet….. Ippadi oru thaalaatu paadavaa …. A song which will make us sleep ……

Junior , junior , junior …. Kamal with the mask boy

Infact, the mask himself was another interesting character in this movie ! because Kamal will convey all his feelings through him …..

All the songs were super hits…though the movie was not that successful commercially , it was well appreciated …..

A memorable movie for all the artists….

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madhu
03-05-2006, 12:52 PM
HI Balaji..

nice write up..

the lines are..
NYAYIR UNDU , THINGAL UNDU , ENDHA NAAL UNDHAN NAALO"

here.. I remember once SPB sang naughtily in a stage program as.."endhan AAL undhan ALO"

umaramesh
03-06-2006, 04:07 AM
As I mentioned earlier ANGUM INGUM song was composed in public function . KB all of a sudden informed audience that MSV&KD will compose a song for his current movie in front of your eyes.
They did that in hrs time and same was recorded later.

Quiet amazing to note that you can see lot variety in this album .
Each song is quiet diferent from the other. Rich lyrics .What a way to start Junior song. kavingar exhibits kamal character right from the first line:

IRUMANAM KONDA THIRUMAN VAZHVIL
IDAYIL NEE ENN MAYANGUGIRAI.

You can feel waves coming to you when you hear MIRUDHANGAM sound in KATTRUUKENA VELI. How thoughtful this genius. He created character joy in the music .Sujatha was overflowing with happiness and MSV just made this impact with fast paced chrouswith violin /mirdangam .


regards
ramesh

S.Balaji
03-07-2006, 12:55 PM
[tscii:3399860186]When Nadigar Thilagam was going great during the early 70s ( he must be in the 40s !!) , the fans had the privilege of watching some terrific acting …….

Actually, one can phase his career on the following lines :

•Phase one – Parasakthi to Andha Naal ….. the formative years….

•Phase two – Uthamaputhiran to Veera pandiya kattabomman / Karnan ….. consolidation phase…..established a niche for himself

•Phase three – The early 60s to mid 60s…..the famous Paa series Paalum pazamum, padikaatha medhai , Pasa malar, Paarthaal pasi theerum , Padithaal mattum podhumaa , baga pirivinai , Paar magalay paar , Pava mannippu etc ( probably the best phase )

•Phase four – The end 60s and early 70s …. Vietnam veedu, Thanga padhakkam , Nyana oli , Baratha vilas , Engal thanga raja, Raman ethanai ramanadi , etc…..

•The final phase – Mudhal mariyaadhai, Devar Magan , Anbulla appa,

GAURAVAM ….belongs to Phase four……

Incidentally, this was also called by his critics as OVER ACTING PHASE……

One reason could be that some of the directors during this period were from Stage plays and hence it would have come quite naturally for them to get the same effect from Shivaji also….. I mean movies like Vietnam Veedu, Thanga padhakkam, Nyana oli …etc…..

However, BARRISTER RAJINIKANTH is one character which true Shivaji fans will cherish forever ….

NADIGAR THILAGAM EXHIBITS THE TRAITS OF A SUPREMELY SELF CONFIDENT , SUCCESSFUL , AGGRESSIVE , PROUD AND ARROGANT LEGAL PRACTITIONER …..

And it was an extraordinary display

A MAN OF DIFFERENT MOODS….. playful with his dear wife Chelaaaaa….. treating his son Kannan as his junior and successor…. At times teasing him and makes fun out of him… a sudden seriousness over an issue…… spontaneous reaction to sensitive matters……at times emotional also …….

Probably the director, Vietnam Veedu Sundaram wanted to glorify the Senior Character and this must have prompted him to make Shivaji himself play the Junior role as well !

One can see a clear distinction in the traits and the characterisation of both …..The senior will be having a pipe , frequently smoking, with a different hair style, shirt tucked in with proud and arrogant looks…. Passing casual comments at his wife…… De…..Chellaaaa and adopted son Dai ……Kannaaaaa…..

While the Junior will appear gentle, warm, timid, soft , low profile…….religious , God fearing…..

You will realize the greatness in Shivaji when he pronounces the word Periappa….. in a mild , respectful manner…..

•The way they talk…. will be different
•The way they walk ..will be different
•The way they display their mannerism …will be different….

Only Nadigar Thilagam can bring such subtle change in approach !

The initial part of the movie focuses on the Senior’s exemplary behavioral pattern , his proudness, disappointment, frustrated at not being given the Judge post which he was aspiring for long ….( he will be more pained as the post will go to someone undeserving )

This prompts him to take up a failed case as a challenge to demonstrate his skills ( this was needed to satisfy his hurt ego ) and a genuine killer is set free as he finds loopholes and successfully breaks the case into smithereens…..

All along, the Junior character would have been worshipping his adopted Father, Periappa, mentor as friend, philosopher and guide and for him the Senior is everything…..even his love is secondary before his Guru and Periappa …..

There will be scenes like …. When the senior casually comments while the Junior is about to light his pipe…. Enda kanna….. needhaanay daa enakku kolli vekka poray….
The Junior , with all seriousness will just scream at him…. Periappa…unga vaayala appadi solladheengo….

The Junior will be a faithful, loyal disciple to his mentor ……

But when he sees the senior going in a different direction, taking the law in his own hands, the Junior questions his intentions…… ( also there will be rivals behind every successful man and no wonder Barrister Rajinikanth was looked at with awe by his peers and they will be gunning to see his downfall , will instigate the Junior ) and spur of the moment the Senior will tell the Junior….. KANNA….. VEETA VITTU PODAAA…..
Totally taken unawares and shocked by the reaction, the Junior leaves the house in tears and prepares for the final battle as the same guy who gets reprieve earlier, gets involved in another murder case and this time, the Junior takes up the role of Public Prosecutor….

And finally the case takes off with customary exchanges between both ….. slowly and steadily the junior will take firm control over the case……

AS THE SITUATION REACHES A VERY SENSITIVE STAGE, THE SENIOR REALIZES THAT HE IS WAGING A LOSING BATTLE …….And here comes out all his ego, frustration , anger and what not through the famous song…. KANAAA…. NEEYUM NAANUMAA …KANNA NEEYUM NAANUMAAA….
Those days, the audience were fortunate to hear meaningful songs…..songs which were inserted with some reasoning so that the tempo is maintained intact….

Lets first read the splendid lyrics …..

•Kaalam maarinaal, gauravam maarumaaa ??? Never…..

Kavignar reads the situation thoroughly and comes out with another outstanding lyrics…..

•Arivai koduthadho….. Dronarin gauravam……

•Avar mel thoduthadhey….Arjunan gauravam

In another charanam…..

•Moondradi mann ketaan …Vamanan ulagilay…. Moondrena vaithadho….. mannavan thalayilay

•Valartha yen kannano….thandhayin nenjilay…..

At this moment, the senior will do a chest beating which will make our hearts pain…..

It was a fantastic combination of Nadigar thilagam, Kavignar, Mellisai Mannar, TMS and Vietnam veedu Sundaram who brought out a memorable song….

All through the song, Shivaji will display his customary elegance , echoing the frustration of someone badly bruised and beaten by his own kith and kin….an ego deeply hurt and disturbed….. Shivaji will appear like a wounded lion…… unable to capture his prey

As the song reaches the final stage, the creative thinking in the director comes out……

Both characters all set to wage the final ultimate war ……. The senior dressed up like King George , bearded , royal attire , in red colour , with the Emperor’s crown intact and the dress perfectly matching with his awesome majestic looks …

In his distinguished career, Nadigar Thilagam must have had several make ups but in my opinion, this King George make up should come under top 10 as this is a true reflection of what he is all about……. AN EMPEROR OF ACTING……

The junior will appear in white dress …like that of a young prince , about to capture his enemy….

Terrific sense of imagination here as both will appear with their troups on a huge chess board….

Its obvious, the BGM was made on seeing the lengthy exchange between the 2 characters…..will match precisely as Mellisai mannar brings his rich experience by application of drums, trumphet and his customary violin group….. .. gives an intimidating impact to the viewers….

The veteran P.N.Sundaram, cinematographer , shows the security cardon of senior falling one by one….. way side as the younger Prince Charm forges ahead along with his troup with a wry smile….. in his relentless pursuit towards capturing his arch enemy

One should watch the body language of the Senior….. he will give a real scared / horrified look at the junior as if he has lost his life and he will retreat backwards with all the fear as if it’s the end of the world

Kavignar once again , equal to the task…….ends the song with power packed words …..

•Mannanin gauravam, chaduranga naduvilay…..

•Madhikindra senayo, pillayin vadivilay….

•Aagattum paarkalaam , aatathin mudivilay…

•Arubadhai irubadhu , vellumaa ulagilayyyyy ???

Another remarkable feature of this character is that it will undergo a diametric change in attitude ….. from being very aggressive and proud ….. Nadigar Thilagam will show signs of desperation and fear for having to face defeat in the hands of his own son ! but still the self confidence will be intact in his body language !!

To demonstrate this, VV Sundaram brings in a classic scene…..

One by one, the senior will throw in front of his dear wife Chellaaaaa …… all the case files of yesteryears and will brief her the background :

•Dee Chellaa….. indha case dhaan enakku mudhal case …… jayichavudan niraya panam vandhadhu…. Indha veetai vaanginen…..
•Indha case….. jayichavudan unga appan enakku unnai katti vaichaaan
•Indha case…… jayichavudan dhaan enakku Barrister Rajinikanth endra pattam kidaichadhu…
•Ana ana….. indha Mohan das Case irukkay ……….

Then suddenly , swiftly on looking at the photo of Junior Kannan…. Will roar……. Dai kanna ….. enna jayichudivayadaa…….. pakalaama……. Dee Chelaaa…. Nadakaadhudee…….

At this moment, the senior will roar like a wounded lion ! displaying all the anger and frustration of an Emperor of a fallen kingdom ! vow great exhibition !!

ONE WILL GET AN IMPRESSION AS IF 2 SUCH REAL / INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERS EXISTED BUT THAT’S SHIVAJI MAJIC WHICH GIVES YOU THAT MESMERIZING EFFECT !

Deivamagan is another outstanding variety wherein he brings 3 dimensional personalities in just one scene….

Now, I am questioning back at the so called critics …… when someone is so frustrated, a normal human being tends to react with such an intensity only ….are we remaining quiet when some crisis hits us ??….. are we not screaming on top of the world…..??

This is what Nadigar Thilagam did during this phase……

Last but not least….. this song would not have given this impact to us if TMS had not sung this …… TMS breathes like Shivaji and echoes the feelings of a Father , deserted by his son at the most important part in his life !

Without TMS, I wonder Shivaji and MGR would have managed …. The golden voice of TMS was instrumental in their career growth

VVS gave a song to the Junior …. A sweet one from PS and SPB …its YAMUNAA NADHI ENGAY … RADHAI MUGAM ENGAY…. KANNAN POVADHENGAY…..
Saro Chechi had earlier posted about Kan simittal shot in this song !

PALOOTI VALARTHA KILI song is another story of its own and I leave it others to give your thoughts

BARRISTER RAJINIKANTH SHOULD BE RANKED AMONGST ONE OF THE BEST CHARACTERS PORTRAYED BY NADIGAR THILAGAM …..AS HE LIVED LIKE THAT CHARACTER
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rra
03-08-2006, 01:36 AM
Dear Balaji: I could not agree with you more on your glowing tributes to the way Shivaji acted in Gauravam. Arguably his best performance ever.
By the way, I thought Dheerga Sumangali was directed by ACT and had lyrics by Vaali. I might be mistaken.
Looking forward to more from you.
rra

rajeshkrv
03-08-2006, 02:46 PM
yes Dheerka sumangali - directed by ACT and lyrics were by Vaali

app_engine
03-08-2006, 03:57 PM
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=243895&disdate=3/8/2006

Probably this series will keep appearing for a few days on their website...under `mAnilachcheidhigaL'...

app_engine
03-09-2006, 02:19 PM
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=244051&disdate=3/9/2006

Next installment...has a MSV-Raja picture too!

S.Balaji
03-09-2006, 02:28 PM
App..

I am really thrilled to see the 2 legends in cheerful mood posing together !!

Really touching to see the photo of the theatre where the genius once sold Murukku and vadai !!

From a humble beginning to ..... what achievements he had in his life !!

By the way, did you notice, YSR today somewhat resembles like IR as appearing on the photo !!

Thanks a lot for the links

Pl continue to post such interesting links....

app_engine
03-10-2006, 10:28 PM
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=244273&disdate=3/10/2006

This has some interesting info...SM Subbiah released MSV's tune in his name...

S.Balaji
03-11-2006, 09:02 AM
[tscii:095e05d188]Athaan….en athaan….avar ennai thaan…. Eppadee solvenadee

Avar kayyai thaan …kondu mellathaan….vandu kannai thaaan…………..

Yen athaan ennai paar athaan….. kel athaan endru solli thaan

Vandha pennai thaan….. kaayil inaithaan….. valiathaan…. .anaithaan……. sirithaan……. Eppadi solvenadee

Mottu thaan …kanni chittu thaan….. muthu thaan udal pattuthaan…….


Kaadhalai ….evvalavu azagaaga , menmaiyaaga Kavignar thanakkay urithaana vaarthai jaalangalinaal velipaduthugiraar………….!!!

The greatest lyricist of TFM…..

Its exchange between 2 good friends Devika and Nadigayar Thilagam Savithri…..in PAAVA MANNIPPU…..

Bheem singh conveys the feelings of both about the traits of their respective lovers……. Shivaji and Gemini…..

Splendid composition…… FULL OF MELODY……. The mellisai duo uses just Accordion , Double Bass Guitar , tabla and violinAnd just observe the voice modulation of PS…….

Both characters while meeting in a garden area …… tease each other playfully and here goes the song…..

As each one sings in praise of their person in love , briefly the images of Gemini and Shivaji will appear ……with a warm smile ……

As the exchange is between 2 MATURED , WELL BROUGHT UP , CULTURED , DIGNIFIED WOMEN….. THE DUO PRECISELY ECHOS THIS THROUGH MILD MANNERED BACKGROUND MUSIC AND TUNE…..

How meticulous they had been those days !!

Note the simplicity, modesty and humbleness of Savithri when she plays her part…. She plays the character of some one brought up in a poor background ……andha oru adakkam, ezmaiyodu kalandha oru panbu………that’s the greatness of Savithri

Devika will be all grace , majestic and dignified in her looks …with all the basic culture and etiquette imbibed on her by her Father who is a Bishop of a Church and reasonably rich man….

At one stage, Devika thannudaya mugathai vetkathodu moodikolvaar……… it will be a beautiful sight to watch

During another shot, Savithri this time , will turn away her face ……and Devika will turn her face back to focus and Savithri mugathil appadi oru naanam and vetkam !!

I continue to wonder the amazing presence of mind and apt composing by the two greats MSV and TKR ! Their contribution to tamil film music is immense…..

They proved once again that they were capable of composing a song with minimum instruments

This movie is another classic performance of this duo….. as there are more splendid songs :

ELLORUM KONDAADUVOM……..ALLAVIN PERAI CHOLLI NALLORGAL VAAVAI ENNEE….

Nadigar Thilagam will be introduced through this song….. he will be the adopted son of an Islamic gentleman Nagaiyaa , the character actor….whose mission will be to bring up the lives of down trodden society ……carrying the name Rahim….( his original name will be Ramu )

The preludes and interludes will be typical of an islamic music……



KAALANGALIL AVAL VASANTHAM……..

A handsome Kadhal mannan Gemini , admiring the qualities of Savithri sings in Sathanur Dam area…… ( this was one famous spot for shooting those days ) and its another Kavignar special….

Kalaigalilay aval oviyam

Madhangalil aval maaragazee

Malargalilay aval malligai

Paravaigalil aval manipuraa

Paadalgalil aval thaalaattu

Kanigalilay aval maanganee

Kaatrinilay aval thenral

Paal pol siripathil killai

Kann pol valarpathil annai

Aval kavignan aakinaal ennai !!!

Beautiful depiction of a woman by Kavignar…… Three cheers to him …. And its one of the best songs of PBS…..

The due uses Mouth organ for this song ! well backed up by Violin and that’s all !!!


VANDHA NAAL MUDHAL INDHA NAAL VARAI…..

A thought provoking lyrics by Kavignar …..

Nilai maarinaal gunam maaruvaar

Poi needhiyum nermayum pesuvaar

Dhinam jaathiyum bedhamum kooruvaar

Adhu devan vidhi endru odhuvaar

Paravayai kandaan …vimaanam padaithaan

Paayum meengalil padaginai kandaan

Ethiroli ketaan vaanoli padaithaan

Edhanai kandaaan…….. panam thanai padaithaan??

Once again, with just a humming from TMS, the song starts……with whistling and bangoos as interludes……..!! its another magic from the great duo……

Shivaji sings this song after he adopts a kid and while riding on a cycle …….it was one of the motion oriented song…. A new of its kind those days……as most of the songs normally were picturised indoor or with back projection……
Interestingly, G.K.Venkatesh’s name will appear below the duo’s in title as Udhavi – G.K.Venkatesh…… His voice will also come mid way during Vandha naal mudhal song….

All through the movie nadigar thilagam plays a very cultured, matured, dignified character….. there will be warmth and kind heartedness in his body language……occasionally he will scream at MRR but overall , it was a splendid performance …as he counters the great M.R.Radha who will look like the real hero of the movie as he will dominate by appearing in most of the scenes…..
Shivaji’s dignity and maturity will be present even during the scenes he interacts with Devika….. while Devika will be in deep love with him….Shivaji will be treating her in a very polished and matured way…..a character well portrayed ..

Even during the song PAALIRUKKUM…. A PS solo for Devika , he will only respond by saying oom oom…..and oho ….. and even that will be nice to hear….the dignity will be intact…..
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app_engine
03-13-2006, 01:34 PM
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=244901&disdate=3/13/2006

Looks like 'janova' was MSV's first independent assignment, a MGR movie...(I think he partnered with TKR later...)

S.Balaji
03-14-2006, 12:56 PM
[tscii:11f9b98312]YAARAI NAMBI NAAN PORANDHEN….PONGADAA PONGA…..

EN KAALAM VELLUM,, VENDRA PINNAY, VANGADAA VAANGA……..

KULATHILAY…… THANNI ILLAY…..KOKKUM ILLAY…… MEENUM ILLAY

PETTIYILAY….. PANAM ILLAY….. PETHA PULLAY….. SONDHAM ILLAY

In the second charanam….

THENNAYA PETHAA ELANEERU….. PILLAYA PETHAA KANEERU…..

PETRAVAN MANASAY PITHAMMAA… PILLAI MANASAY KALLAMAAA….

PANAYILAY SORIRUNDHA POONAIGALUM SONDHAMADAA……

VEDHANAYAI PANGU VECHAA…… SONDHAMILLAY BANDHAMILLAY….

The above lyrics are being remembered even today for the real punch wordings…….

The Early 70s of Shivaji also witnessed another movie…..ENGA OORU RAJA…..

Directed by P.Madhavan

During this period, whatever Shivaji did became commercial hits …..

Theme with a nice moral…….. A rich Zamindar by name Vijayaragunatha Sethupathy …. A man in the 60s , known for his generosity, donates money left and right without any control , grants to poor people …..He also has lots of sentiment attached to his bungalow as all good things have happened in his life in the bungalow and he was emotionally tied to it………. But he fails to appreciate frequent warnings from his wife on his generosity …………one fine morning, realizes that he has nothing left out even for his own survival ! Now, those who were worshipping him earlier deserts him totally and he becomes insolvent …….

But the royal blood in him makes him to take it up as a challenge to stage a come back and restore the lost pride ….decides to move out of the house with his children ….

Before leaving the house, he challenges the guy who took over the bungalow ( which was earlier given as a security ) that one day he will definitely come back and pay the dues with interest and will take back the possession……

He moves to another city ……. lives like an ordinary middle class man…… preserving all the daily savings ….. with a sense of determination and single minded dedication to repay his debts and take possession over his Bungalow…..

Years roll over …. The steely resolve gets more firm but he realizes now that life is not that easy ( earlier he would have lived a royal life ) as each day passes with some element of frustration and irritation as he finds the going very tough……

He reaches a stage wherein even his own kith and kin deserts him and spit fire on him for some silly mistake he makes ( His own relative Nambiar steals his hard earned savings ) ……

Now he feels crestfallen as his son leaves him in despair……… and here comes another thought provoking song …. YAARAI NAMBI NAAN PORANDHEN ……..

A very meaningful song….

The old man expresses his frustration for having been let down by his own family members…….

But , by the end of the song, the old determination is back……

NENJAMIRUKKU THUNIVAAGA….. NERAMIRUKKU THELIVAAGA

NINAITHAAL MUDIPPEN THANIYAAGA….. NEEYAA NAANAA PODAAA PO….

AADIYILAY KAATHADICHAA…. AIPASIYIL MAZAI VARUM……

THEDI VARUM KALAM VANDHA…. SELVAMELLAM ODI VARUM……

Nadigar Thilagam, in an old man get up , conveys the emotions of a deserted old man, having been isolated by all his dear relatives at a very crucial moment ……and vents all his anger through the song…..

The major part of the song will be picturised in darkness with Shivaji wandering and roaming back and forth ……..Just observe the body language of the old man !

It’s a black and white movie !

The music once again will be very apt to the situation…. The usage of instruments will be peculiar , new type those days……frequent use of Bangoos and drums……The composer ?? it’s the senior Master, MSV only !

This song was very popular in the early 70s…..for its striking lyrics…..

Nadigar thilagam actually starts the song by challenging his son….. Endaa …… rendu kai irundhaa thaan oru velai nadakkumaa…. ?? Naan nenaichaa oru kaiyaalayay yen kariyathai mudikka mudiyum….. Neenga yaarum enakku thevai illa….. and by yelling this…. He will use just one hand and will create sound by hitting all parts of his body ! a reflection of an angry old man ….. with a deep sense of resolve and determination …..

The son character could have been played by somebody as its insignificant for the theme and the flow of the movie but probably P.Madhavan would have feared the outcome if the entire movie is going reflect Shivaji in old man make up …how the fans would react and this might have made him to use Shivaji himself to play the Junior role and also gave a lovely song ….PARAMESWARI RAJESHWARI JAGADISWARI… BAGESHWARI….NAL VAAKU THARUVAAYADEE…..

JJ pairs with the Junior Shivaji and plays her part well ( she will be part of Nambiar group but will be faithful daughter in law to the Senior and will act as a bridge between the 2 broken relatives )

This is another Shivaji dominated movie…. The focus will be on how the senior Shivaji ( incidentally the son will also be Shivaji but the role was not that significant ) despite all the hurdles , manages to stage a remarkable comeback at the evening of his life …..

The depiction of old man character will be quite fascinating….. Shivaji will walk in a bent manner ….with a big moustache ( was it a clue to Kamal to give the same type in Devar Magan ? )… even the voice modulation will match with that of an old man but the body language will be very clear….. that of an wounded rich Zamindar , with all the old pride intact…all the mannerisms of an old man will be present in him…..

Even after getting back his old Bungalow , the generosity will continue ….as the senior will donate the Bungalow for a charitable purpose ! a touch of melodrama ……

The moral of the story is …… KEEP SOMETHING FOR YOU FIRST BEFORE GIVING IT TO OTHERS…. THANAKKU PINN THAAN DHARMAM….

For Shivaji , MSV and TMS, its another day at office but for the fans , its another special from the unbeatable combination…..

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app_engine
03-14-2006, 01:47 PM
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=244904&disdate=3/14/2006

This says V-R combo did 750 movies together...surprised. (Probably the list won't be available with either of them or anyone else...I suspect gross inaccuracy here as even the total number of movies from that time period won't be that many, even taking into a/c non-Tamil movies)...

app_engine
03-14-2006, 01:48 PM
Kavingar with mellisai mannargaL...

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umaramesh
03-15-2006, 05:08 AM
Today article in daily thanthi speaks about how NAUSHAD impressed with MSV composition. He treates MSV as a guru.
He described how fast MSV was finishing particular song(with in two hrs)and the same would have taken more than 10 days for him to finish. In today's phtotgraph KB with MSV&IR. Nice one.

ramesh

S.Balaji
03-15-2006, 05:50 AM
App...

Thanks a lot for putting the photos of 3 great personalities !

Ramesh...
You know MSV also has equal admiration on Naushad..... They share excellent relationship....

S.Balaji
03-15-2006, 06:00 AM
[tscii:e7c9da36ec]ATHIKAAI KAI KAI…. AAALANGAAI VENNILAVAY……

ITHIKKAI KAAYAADHEY ….. ENNAI POL PENN ALLAVO…. NEE ENNAI POL PEN ALLAVO……

KANNI KAAI PAAVAI KAAI ….KAADHAL KONDAI PAAVAI KAAI….

IRAVUKKAI…URAVUKKAI….ENGUM INDHA EZAI KAAI…. NEEYUM KAAI…NILAVUM KAAI…NERIL NIRKUM IVALAI KAAI….

MADHULANGAAI AAANAALUM….ENNULAM KAI AAAGUMO…..

ENNAI NEE KAAYADHEY…… ENNUYIRUM NEE ALLAVO

Lovely lyrics !! its another Kavignar special in the 60s…… its Nadigar thilagam in BALE PANDIYA …….

Shivaji himself must have volunteered to do some movie with a lighter vein and what a movie it turned out to be ultimately !

Most of the roles played earlier didn’t have that much comedy element…..

This movie had 2 M.R.Radhas and 3 Shivajis……..

Remember, after Nadigar Thilagam made his debut in Parasakthi, it was not a cake walk for him as already there were galaxy of established stars like Gemini , M.R.Radha, Makkal Thilagam …..also SSR who incidentally made a joint debut in Parasakthi…. The drama plays were still dominating and it was a big challenge for him to establish himself…..

When it comes to displaying your versatility, M.R.Radha was outstanding and it takes a person of Shivaji’s caliber to counter him …….

The veteran late VKR once mentioned that MRR commented him about Shivaji in astonishment…. Enna Ramasaamy…indha Ganesan nammalai ellam thooki saaptuduvaan pola…….engeyo poiduvaan polirukku !!

M.R.Radha was well known for his comic cum villainy charecterisation and this movie was no exception….. One MRR played the role of an eccentric Father in law of Shivaji and another…an opportunitistic Villain……..

While Shivaji plays the characters of a young guy unable to take up challenges in life but has lots of interests to live and wants to enjoy…… The portrayal of the innocent character will be quite absorbing to watch…..

The second Shivaji is a local rowdie…… always with a bedee and lungee ….just watch his mannerism and style and the way he talks…… terrific expression !! The intention of the movie is to provoke laughter and this character was not left out….whatever he does also will be quite enjoyable…..

The third one is an old Doctor…… quite an interesting character….. this man also adds fun to the movie…..with his hands tied backwards and with a bent walking style like that of a very old man…..

The voice modulation will be totally different for the 3 characters …which is the hall mark of his success in life…….that of studying the essence of the character and live like that…..

The two great actors virtually challenged each other in acting…..and its difficult to judge who won the battle finally !

One should see Paava Mannippu where MRR and Shivaji cross swords ….

Devika plays the support cast for Shivaji …. This movie also has Balaji and few others who also will add fun …..

Athikkai song appears immediately after Shivaji and Devika get married and Shivaji’s tantrums during this song will be all fun….

Its another splendid composition from the magnificient duo MSV – TKR…..

Another super hit song….. VAAZA NINAITHAAL VAAZALAAM….VAZIYAA ILLAI BOOMIYIL…..the lyrics are made to make the first Shivaji take everything on a positive note and look forward in life…..

I think Ushaji once already posted about NEEYAY ENAKKU ENDRUM NIGARAANAVAN…. A lovely carnatic based song …..and what a comical expression from both sides !! In my opinion, MRR steals the show here …..

A movie worth watching with family…it’s a full fledged entertainer…..
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umaramesh
03-15-2006, 11:25 AM
Only few of them able to act and produce fims that too successfully. One among them is Balaji. He started producing films with sivaji and they were very good friends. I think he started with THANGAI OR ENTHAMBI with shivaji and made lot of fims together.
He even told that only shivaji encouraged him to produce films.
Most of the films are super hit like THIRUDAN/RAJA/ENGIRUTHO VANDHAL/ENGA MAMMA/ DEEPAM/THYAGAM etc. Most of the fims are remake from other language and he made it very successfully.

MSV was ASTHANA MUSIC DIRECTOR FOR BALAJI till BILLA. He joined with IR from DEEPAM and I think IR scored only for couple of movies. POLLATHAVAN/BILLA became super hit and he continue to work with balaji film like SUJATHA.

Most popular movie was RAJA and MSV gave good variety in this film.

NEE VARA VEDUM ENRU ETHIR PARTHEN
KALYANA PONNU KADA PAKKAM PONNA
GANGAI YELLE ODAM ILLAYO
ERANDIL ONDRU NEE ENIDAM SOLLU.

I like TMS/PS duet very much. Especialy in the interlude .MSV use to change the rhythem beautifully. Song will start with bang but in the first stanza MSV change the pattern effortlessly.

KONJA NEERAM ENNAI THALLATU
KONJUM POTHAM ENNAI PAARATTU
INBATHAI IRUVARUM KONDU VARUVUM
KOILLAYIL IRUVARUM PANGU PERUVUM

Till this line song will be quite fast but suddenly this pattern will change in the following line

KATHALAI ENNAITHATHU JATHAGAMME
KALAMAMUM NAMKINI SATHAGAME
UNN MANAMUM KUNAMUM NADAGAM
UNN MADIYNIL NAAN ORU KUZATHANI

Again immediately tempo will become fast with drums and guitar in the back ground. Nice modulation.

regards
ramesh

bingleguy
03-15-2006, 11:27 AM
awesome photos of the three great giants ! Good POst !

vijayr
03-15-2006, 02:47 PM
Balaji, good writeup on Bale Pandiya. I have always thought that it should have been something like MMKR for the 60s generation. The confusion between the characters leading to comical situations and so on. As you mentioned a full fledged entertainer, as against tearjearkers that were the norm. Music was of course, one of the highlights.

app_engine
03-16-2006, 06:21 PM
mellisai mannar's production ventures were mostly disasters...
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=245304&disdate=3/16/2006

Also has Raja's appreciation for MSV...

umaramesh
03-20-2006, 05:02 AM
I came across one exceptional song last week after a long time. We might heard it but it gives new picture this time/

FILM :MANITHRIL MANIKAM

SONG: I WILL SING FOR YOU.

Song start ATTAM ENNA SOLLUDI .TMS at his best PUNDHU VILLAYADI IRUKKAR. One should hear this splendid composistion, mxiture of western &carnatic. Especially MSV experimented with flute/drums/trumphut. Shivaji did doctor roll in this movie. I have no idea about this movie but from the song sequence I can assume situation would be carnatic singer singing in club.

MSV showed top class variation in every single line.High point is he maintained carnatic base throught the song( my friend told me this one is based on KHARKARA PRIYA).
The way TMS SINGS FIRST LINE : I WILL SING FOR YOU IN DIFFERENT STYLE. I THINK FUSION MUSIC HAPPENED LONG BEFORE.

ramesh

rra
03-21-2006, 07:10 AM
ramesh: Excellent song to showcase the master's versatility. At one stage in a charanam, he gives a folksy twist to one of the lines; immediately followed by a switch to a western style. The effect is amazing. As you have rightly said and as is true of almost all of MSV's songs, the melodic base is intact throughout the song. It is amazing how he is able to achieve it even in such difficult songs as this one and many others (Kadavul Amaitha Medai, Chippi Irukkudu etc. etc.
rra

umaramesh
03-21-2006, 10:47 AM
rra
Thanks for the mail. Have you noticed even though he switch over to western type/folk etc but orchestra is well synchornised. You will not feel the vacum .

ramesh

S.Balaji
03-21-2006, 03:44 PM
Ramesh

Ofcourse , Aatamenna solladee is a different type. Have you heard O meri dhilrooba from Suryagandhi

I am not sure who was the composer for Mel naatu marumagal ....all songs will be different

and also..Kettukodi urumi melam

A mix of Indian with western

umaramesh
03-22-2006, 05:04 AM
Hi Balaji

O MERI . yes different song, I like first interlude especially high pitch trumphut.

sameway MARRANTHEY POOCHU(SPB/LRE). Fast paced music and trumphut dominates exclusively.

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S.Balaji
03-22-2006, 06:21 AM
Ramesh

Any idea about Mel naatu marumagal ? I think Usha Uthup sang a song which was a super hit those days

umaramesh
03-22-2006, 09:04 AM
Hi Balaji
Mel Nattu Marumagal composed by Kunnagudi. song LIFE IS FLOWER. Sung by Usha Uthup. song goes like this COME ALONG SING WITH ME. Super hit those days.

ramesh

s ramaswamy
03-24-2006, 01:31 AM
To me the combo of MSV-TKR is the best-ever to grace TFM though I admire GR, KVM, SVS Nayudu, SVV, CRS, Sudarsanam etc.

Melody is what their music was all abt and the different shades in which it was given. "paalodu then" was the way the two giants of tfm in combination had ruled TFM in truly its golden period.

And the singers of that era! TMS, PBS, AMRaja, Seergazhi, CSR, TL, PS, Jikki, Jamunarani, LRE, to say a few, were simply outstanding but also had their own distinctive voices unless the people we hear nowadays and just can's be distinguished!

I have seen a reaction deriding MSV's music. All I want to say is "poor guy, let him be pardoned for his ignorance".

Lakshmi JM
03-27-2006, 05:05 PM
[tscii:51d3dc9415]Some songs make you nostalgic, some romantic, some make you recollect good old memories.

There are some songs which you luv to cherish and enjoy. Songs of MGR movies are always a joy to watch. There is always good music with a combination of MSV-TKR and great Kannadasan.

MGR would not yield to anything less than the best, and all those songs will continue to live amongst us for many more years.

Songs from the movie Enga Veetu Pillai are not exceptional to the above. MGR in a dual role, one sober and the other an outgoing youngster. One can really enjoy the high sense of humour in this movie when villager, who runs out of the house, eats a load of items in a hotel and walks out unnoticed. He meets Sarojadevi in the very next scene and he goes to her place. There again he has a huge dinner. He was very particular to complete the food items while Sarojadevi and Rangarao would do the discussions.

All the songs, as usual are a class-apart, and Kumarip-pennin ullathile tops the list.
All of them go for a song-shooting and Sarojadevi starts dreaming, which then becomes a reality. TMS & PS go all out to make this a romantic one.

This is not a situation song, hence the lyrics are here to pour out love and beauty. I feel there would not have been a dance rehearsal as the movements are simple and graceful.
As this is picturised with an evening effect with minimal lighting, the music will be soothing.

One would realize the life given by TMS to the song, as the opening lines would be in a different voice as it’s a movie shoot. MGR would maintain all dignity to shower his love and at the same time maintain distance from her as you would see that he bids goodnight while closing.

This would have been a very easy go for the music duo as they had done many like this in the past. This melody could be rated one among the best of MGR Saro.

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Lakshmi JM
03-31-2006, 10:04 AM
[tscii:dfafb7c0da]Mellisai Mannar's first movie with Makkal thilagam after the duo got split

Another MGR-Saro combination movie. Here Saro in a dual role. Handsome MGR trying to unravel the mystery of the first Saro’s death. This time its only MSV ruling the film. Its’ none other than ‘Kalankarai Vilakkam’ which has some outstanding songs.

The evergreen ‘Poonyezhil poothathu’ has some excellent lyrics which every interested tamilian would relish. As the character keeps remembering about the dancing legend Sivagami, MGR will be portrayed as Narasimha Pallavar. He would look stunning while Abhinaya Saraswati does her part very well with Sivagami’s movements. Song opens-up with Susila’s voice flowing ‘Oo………..Oo…………’. The lyrics are amazing….
‘Thennaivanathinil unnai mugam thottu yennathai chonnavan vaadugiren..
Unniru kanpattu punpatta nenchil un pattu kai pada paadugiren.’. These need no explanation.
These lyrics remind me of ‘Kan pattathaal unthan meniyile punpatta tho athai naan ariyen’.

Kaathalagarkalukkul kooda kan paduvathu romba kashtam polum.

When you view this song (any MGR-TMS song for that matter before MGR’s bullet removal) it would be as if MGR himself is singing. TMS had different voice modulations for MGR, Sivaji. One will have to recollect that he had a different version even for Jaishankar, Ravichandran, SSR, AVMR and the likes. He’s a gifted singer.

Apparently this is MSV’s first movie after his split with TKR. All songs are a roaring success. ‘Kaatru vaanga ponen’ is another melodious hit. After this movie MGR-MSV combo was an unwritten deal.

Coming back to the song, one would imagine that the background could be a palace as the hero/heroine are portrayed as king and queen. If you read the great novel of Kalki ‘Sivagamiyin Sabatham’ then it would be easier to understand the scenario. Dancer Sivagami is a sculptor’s daughter and not a queen. Prince Narasimha is in love with her and they always end up meeting in a gardent. Here again it’s a normal garden area and graceful dance steps add to the beauty of this song.

It’s a black & white movie and song picturised with great lyrics with rich costumes and jewellery. The hair-do of Saro is like Sivagami’s and MGR would look absolutely majestic. Another feather in the cap of…………………..music lovers.


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umaramesh
04-01-2006, 07:58 AM
Dear lakshmi
You can feel the shyness in the music, especially flute and violin.
MSV always use to say PATTILAYAE TUNE IRUKKUM. NAAMAATHAN KANDU PIDIKANUM.

sameway NAALAI INTHA VELLAI PARTHU(UYRTHA MANITHAN SONG)You can feel the sorrowness/expectation in the orchestra itself.

Quite true that this dream sequence is very imaginative and MGR not only involve in the composing but he will decide the sets&constume part also.

ramesh

umaramesh
04-01-2006, 08:19 AM
Hi

When we talk about rare composistion, this one stands out in the crowd.

song:ORU NAAL IRAVU PAGAL POL NILAVAU

I have not seen this movie but after watching the song sequence I understand that mother&daughter knows each other but unable meet and express their love.

Spell bound composistion from MSV. MSV used PS voice for the both characters. I heard that PS felt very sad after the recording because she is not able to sing like MSV.

what a way express the scene:

KONGUMUM IRUNTHATHU NETTRIYELE
SEERU KUZAPPAM IRUNTHU KANGALALILE

Usage of shenoy/violin/sitar, as Balaji always use to say WE CAN WRITE ESSAY.

You can feel the tune and voice modulation when mother starts
KANNA SUGAMA KRISHNA SUGAMA
KANMANI SUGAMA SOL ENREN KANMANI SUGAMA SOL ENREN

Usage of heavy vilolins in between lyrics in high point in this song.


We have EVER GREE and very melodious KAIYOODU KAI SERRKUM KALANGALE . Song start with PS high pitch humming. Very simple but your mind and body will become very light after hearing this song. Such is the impact of MELLISAI MANNAR TUNE.

ramesh

S.Balaji
04-01-2006, 02:46 PM
Dear Ramesh

Kaviya thalavi is another splendid movie for Mellisai mannar.

You are right... the song Kannaa sugamaa comes at a very crucial moment in the movie when the junior Sowcar will be in pursuit of her mother which she could not see since her childhood...

SO YOU CAN HEAR THE EAGERNESS OF A DAUGHTER THROUGH THE VOICE OF PS !

Again when the senior Sowcar starts singing spotaneously with Kanaa sugamaaa, YOU CAN OBSERVE THE MOTHERLY AFFECTION FLOWING OUT OF PS !

Credit should be given to the lyrics as well

ENNUYIR THAAYAY NEEYUM SUGAMO ?? IRUPADHU ENGAY SOL ENDREN....

terrific use of shenoy by MSV


One of my all time PS favourite is KAYOODU KAI SERKUM.....
One can observe the maturity and the decorum / etiquette being followed in exchange of love between 2 educated lovers !

I think KB must have explained this aspect to MSV and in turn he must have come out with a very scintillating and mild mannered tune !

AARAMBAM INDRAY AAGATTUM is another melody for Ravichandran and junior Sowcar and this time its SPB and LRE

The movie itself is an epic and one of the best of KB

whenver I hear Kanaa sugama , my thoughts automatically go back to Maalai pozudhin mayakathilay naan from bagyalakshmi .... as its another great song for Sowcar

Thanks for pointing out

umaramesh
04-03-2006, 08:10 AM
WE WERE VERY THRILLED AND EXCITED WHEN I GOT THIS OFFER.
This comment is from none other than our Senior Maestro MSV when he got the call call from GEMINI VASAN for the film VAZKAI
PADAGU. Lot of negative feed back and pressure from insider for MSV. They even said it is very difficult to satisfy MR.Vasan and further said you can satisfy VASAN but not people surrounded by him.

Devika and Gemini Ganesan /RangaRao played lead role.

Devika by profession is stage actress and T.R.Ramachandran is
Song composer. Devika first appearaing in the stage and this should be super hit . Here comes splendid composistion from VR with as usual outstanding rendition from PS. Gemini meets DEvika in this song and started loving her.

AARIYAM PENMAI MALARUTTUME
AARIYAM KANGAL RASIKATTUME
OORTHIYIN NEJAM ORUVAURKENNRE SOL SOL

Fine point is When PS repeats SOL SOL THOZHI SOL SOLwith support from instrument(not able indentify the insturment).
Splendid support from chorus.

Next song is UNNAITHAN NAAN ARIVAEEN MANAVANAI YAAR ARIVAAR. After successful first appearance ,Devika performs second song in the stage.

Gemini follows Devika and they decided to marry. Gemini ask for his father consent(Ranga Rao) .Rangarao without knowing anyone attending the programme.
Devika conveys her love in this song with Gemini and Rangarao watching her perfomance. Lyric goes like this;

KAATHILATHAL PAVAM ENRAL KANGALOUM PAVAM ANDRU
KAANGALAE PAVAM ENDRAL PENMAYYAE PAVAM ANDRU
PENMAYYE PAVAM ENDRAL
MANNAVARIN THAAI YARRAO

one more outstanding composistion from VR .

We have two more ever green and splendid tunes from MSV&PBS combination . CHINNA CHINNA KANNANKKU/KANGALLYE KATHAL SEIVATHAI VITTU VEEDUNGAL.

MSV&TKR proved what they are capable of. VAZKAI PADAGU became superhit not only for them but for Gemini and Devika.

ramesh

Murali Srinivas
04-07-2006, 02:15 PM
Talking about Ponnezil Poothathu Puduvanil, do you know who wrote the lyrics? Many will not believe.It is Panchu Arunachalam. PA who was an assistant to Kannadasan for long got this offer and grabbed it. But he could never achieve the same standard afterwards. Since he introduced IR, PA using his clout with him wrote all the songs for the films which he scripted and it lacked quality. PA who started the double meaning dialogue in TF with Thenkinnam gets away just because of this song.

Was Kalangarai Vilakkam the first movie of MSV after his split with VKR? or first movie after the split for MGR ? Because Neelavaanam the first MSV solo for Sivaji got released in Dec 1965 and I remember having read KV got released in 1966.

S.Balaji
04-07-2006, 05:01 PM
Murali Srinivas

Kalangarai vilakkam was the first movie for MSV with MGR after the duo got split

Murali Srinivas
04-08-2006, 08:18 AM
Dear S.B.

Thanks for the info.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
04-08-2006, 12:52 PM
Dear S.Balaji,

A very good write up on Gouravam and especially Neeyum Naanuma song. While describing about the two characters you had mentioned about the pipe lighting scene. Actually Jr. will say "Periyappa nan pattha vaikeren".Sr. will ask " Enakka illae En pipekka " , Jr will reply " Rendukkmae naanthane Periappa" a VVS dialogue that will subtly hint that the Sr is heirless.The scene and dialogue are etched in memory.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
04-08-2006, 01:31 PM
Dear Saradha,

While going this thread, I saw your list of Sivaji films released in between 1976 and 1981 and also before and after that. As somebody else had mentioned only an avid Sivaji fan can list out like this. Myself being an avid Nadigar Thilagam Fan too, shall I say some corrections in your list regarding the years? I am listing the films in the chronological order.Let me start with 1975 because that was a land mark year for Sivaji.His Avanthan Manidhan (an alltime great MSV film)which was his 175th movie was released in 1975.

1975
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1. Manithanum Deivamagalam -P.Madhavan- KVaidya- Pongal
2.Avanthan Manidhan - ACT- MSV-April
3.Mannavan Vanthanadi- P.Madhavan-MSV-August
4.Anbe Aruyire - ACT-MSV-Sep
5.Dr.Siva- ACT-MSV-Deepavali
6.Vaira Nenjam-Sridhar-MSV- Deepavali
7.Pattum Bharathamum-PM-MSV-Dec

1976
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1.Unagakka Naan- CVR-MSV-Feb
2.Grihapravesham- D.Yogananad-MSV- April
3.Satyam- ?- KVM- May
4.Uthaman- VB RajendraPrasad-KVM-June
5.Chithra Pournami-PM- MSV- Deepavali
6.Rojavin Raja- K.Vijayan-MSV- Dec

1977
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1. Avan Oru Sarithiram-?- MSV- Pongal
2.Deepam-K.Vijayan-IR- Jan 26
3.Ilaya Thalaimurai-? -MSV-May
4.Naam Pirantha Maan- VVS & Vincent -MSV- Oct
5.Annan Oru Kovil- K.Vijayan- MSV- Deepavali

1978
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1.Andhaman Kadhali- Muktha Srini- MSV-Jan 26
2. Thyagam-K.Vijayan-IR- Mar 4th
3. Ennai Pol Oruvan-TRRamanna-MSV-Mar 18th
4. Punniya Bhoomi-K.Vijayan-MSV-May
5.Gen.Chakravarthy-D.Yoga-MSV-June
6.Pilot Premnath-ACT-MSV-Deepavali
7. Justice Gopinath-DYoga-MSV-Dec (First NT-Rajini combo)

1979
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1.Trisoolam- K.Vijayan-MSV- Jan 27 (200th film)
2.Kavarimaan-Sp.M- IR-April
3.Nallathoru Kudumbam-K.Vijayan-IR-May
4.Imayam-Muktha Srini-MSV- July
5.Naan Vaazha Vaipen-?-IR- Aug
6.Pattakathi Bhairavan-VBR-IR- Deepavali
7.Vetrikku Oruvan-Sp.M-IR- Dec

1980
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1.Rishimoolam-Sp.M-IR-Jan 26
2.Dharmaraja-MATirumugam-MSV-April
3.Yamanukku Yaman-?-TeluguMD?-May
4.Raktha Paasam-KV-MSV-June(Vijayan directed but fell out with NT,so title card not mentioning Director's name)
5.Viswaroopam-ACT-MSV-Deepavali

1981
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1.Mohana Punnagai-Sridhar-MSV- Pongal
2.Sathya Sundaram-?-MSV-Feb
3.Amara Kaviyam-? -MSV-April
4.Kalthoon-Major-MSV-May
5.L.D.Rajakannu-ACT?-MSV-July
6.Maadi Veetu Ezhai-Amirtham-MSV-Aug(Dialogues by Karunanidhi)
7.Kizhvaanam Sivakkum-Muktha Srini-MSV-Deepavali.

List is like this.

Regards

umaramesh
04-17-2006, 06:18 AM
Hi
After a long time I saw SUMATHI EN SUNDARI movie and got mesmerised by PS solo's. We have all time super hit POTTU VAITHA MUGAMO. but AALAYAMAGAM MANGAI MANADHU& OORAYIRAM NADAGAM AADINAL something outstanding.

Especially the second one when PS hums AAAAAAAAA OORAIYARAM with hills back ground and fast interlude and sweet voice of PS made me to forgot this world for couple of minutes.
Very light movie but MSV made this as unforgettable one.

ramesh

S.Balaji
04-24-2006, 03:44 PM
[tscii:ffb3ed9710]Makkal Thilagam’s movies always had a dream song. This started once he firmly established himself as a leading hero ( from naadodee mannan ….. kannil vandhu minnal pol kaanudhey from Jikki and TMS ) and this dream song concept was an unsaid agenda even up to Madhurai meeta sundara pandiyan …….. countless number of dream songs in every MGR movie ……Seldom it will be the heroene who dreams ! while MGR will follow the path of a righteous citizen, fighting for justice and a champion of poor etc….

Another funny aspect is where there are 2 heroenes, only one gets the golden opportunity of his lover and other one invariably becomes an adopted sister for Makkal thilagam after the dream sequence …….while she believes that MGR is in love ….MG will counter by politely saying that Naan unnai eppodhum en thangachiyaa dhaan nenaichen !!..... I think the only 2 exceptions were Madurai veeran and Ulagam suttrum vaaliban where he had 2 pairs for the Rajoo character !

Adding more humour to this…the poor second heroene will also reconcile herself immediately and will start calling him Anna !!!!

In other words, the second character despite her disappointment …will never feel bad about MGR but will continue to admire him !!!

The dream songs are not the normal ones……9 out of 10 times, the pair will be in a royal attire ….filled with stars, planets, colorful and huge sets were the order of the day…..

There are many such dream sequences which have become super hits but IMO, its VIZIYAY KADHAI EZUDHU …tops the list of MGR dream songs ….. SIMPLY FOR THE EXTRAORDINARY MELODY ….

It was pleasant surprise for KJY when MGR called him one fine morning asking him to sing

Its Lata’s turn to dream about MGR with all the colours , huge glittering sets and despite his advancing age, MGR’s personality was ok but the face had lost its youth and charm ( must be in the 60s ! )

With lovely strings usage to commence , MSV applies his customary melody and improvisation of words with telling effect …..

Viziyay kathai ezudhu……. Starts like a virutham …….kaneeril …..ezudhadhey………

Manjal vaanam ( from here , there will be nice bangoos support , cellos and piano ) thendral Saatchi unakkagavay naan vaazgiren ……..

There will be a brief pause here …followed by PS …..manjal vaanam thendral Saatchi……

And it’s a lovely support by PS !

MSV is a master of improvisation and no body can deny this ………

What he does now is he repeats the whole viziyay kadhai ezudhu again …..with fine bit of improvisation with subtle changes in the rhythm……. Like KJY ….after the words…kathai ezudhuuuuuu……. With a short gap….he will sing ….Kaneerilllll….ezudhaadhey… !!!

Vow ….that’s what MSV’s music is all about !!!!!

This had been the composing pattern of Mellisai Mannar for ages

The song actually is very lengthy … especially the second interludes ( normally being shown in tv ) were edited by Chennai vanoli nilayam always and one could hear the cut short version only……

Such was the magical touch of MGR that KJY’s popularity ratings went beyond imagination…… he was already a craze in Chennai after the splendid success of DEIVAM THANDHA VEEDU….but this song took him to higher echelons straight away and what followed was a series of songs like Adhisaya ragam, manaivi amaivadhellam, Thangathil mugam eduthu , etc etc….

Hold your breath ……You all will be shocked to hear that this was a Sridhar movie ! and yes it had full of MGR stamp firmly imprinted on it ….poor Sridhar had little to do anything…. Also this movie is a lift from a telugu movie I presume because the dressing style of MGR will be like that

This movie was released in 1974 ! and the melody still intact ! another silken touch of msv , alive even today …..and forms part of Makkal thilagam’s all time musical hits….
There is nothing great to mention about the movie except that it was a routine MG movie …challenging injustice and fighting for poor ….. I wonder how he was so successful despite the routine themes getting repeated time and again …..

The Sridhar MGR combo didn’t end here. He did another movie Meenava nanban ….I wonder what compulsions made Sridhar to associate with MGR as he must have had little scope to present his style….may be the race for survival must have made him to associate with MGR…

back to the movie...there are some more popular songs like Ponna porandha aambilakittay , a TMS solo....
oru thai vayitril vandha udan pirappu etc

VIZIYAY KADHAI EZUDHU was the most popular one in the year 1974

Was MGR , the pioneer of dream songs ?!
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rajeshkrv
04-24-2006, 05:39 PM
beautiful song balaji

vizhiye kadhai ezhuthu is always the top song in MGR's list

KJY and PS have sung amazingly ..

MSV's mellifluous music is mind blowing ..

We cant say MGR was the pioneer for dream songs because even before him, other actors like PU, MKT or others should have one

but as you said MGR had dream song in every film and Gemini Ganesh also had dream song in most of his films

umaramesh
04-25-2006, 05:11 AM
Hi
MGR always make it as GRAND in terms of sets/dress/constumes etc.Some times it will hurt the producer very badly. Coming back to this song ,MGR use to hear the song daily and he told sridhar that EVERYTIME HE IS GETTING SOMETHING NEW(this was disclosed by sridhar during the interview (long back.say almost 10 to 15 years back).

Balaji: After the start song will move to different level when PS starts MANNATHIL VADITHU VAITHA SILAIZAL.
I think after this hit MSV started giving more songs to KJY for MGR films.

ramesh

umaramesh
05-04-2006, 07:03 AM
I saw AARATHIL OORVAN couple of days back , this time I just concentrated on BGM only. Amzaing to find that usage of guitar in most scenes. Especially in title music//& scene where Ramdas ask everyone to stand correctly and nagesh use to confuse him. In this paricular scene there is no dialogue and fantastic usage of guitar.

one more scene where MGR use to sleep outside and reply back Jeya, here also violin/flute/guitar combination used melodiously and their expression presented with music without any dialogues.
Like karnan this movie BGM also soemthing different .

ramesh

S.Balaji
05-06-2006, 08:13 AM
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When you are entrusted with a task to handle a mentally retarded man , you will have to become another like personality . then only one can understand the emotions, feelings that run through them…….

Sometimes, you will have to scream ……
At times, you will have to be tough…..
Also at times you will have to cry ……..
Most of the times, you will have to cajole ……..
Also one will have to laugh and evoke laughter so that the person understands you and obey your command…….

What Bagyaraj did with Banupriya in Aararo aariraro was with a comical touch ( but Banupriya was pretending to be insane )

But what JJ did to Nadigar thilagam was something different in ENGIRUNDHO VANDHAAL

This movie arguably is the best of JJ incidentally………( ofcourse Suryaganthi was another IMHO )

The fact that the great Sanjivkumar tried his best in Kilona , the hindi version but himself admitted / surrendered with modesty that he could not match with Nadigar thilagam is another story ( not only this character, SK acted in the hindi version of Navarathri as well but once again , he conceded his limitations though he did well )

JJ is entrusted with the responsibility to take care of NT who becomes mentally retarded on seeing his lover die right before his eyes for the failed love affair …….
Typically , NT gets the rough treatment from all the members of the family , Balaji ( elder brother ) and others…….gets beaten, chided for his insanity …..
As they found NT to be a big headache, they hire the services of JJ ………

JJ gradually gets into the positive mind frame of NT and he starts liking her as he finds her the only person in the world who could understand / appreciate his state of mind……

There is no proven science as to when or how a retarded person gets back to sanity …….

Eventhough JJ herself finds the task herculian , soon she studies him and changes her approach and successfully convinces him that she is one to give solace and comfort

GENERAL THEORY IS THAT A RETARDED PERSON LAUGHS MOST OF THE TIMES………

This was aptly used by the Director to bring in a song sequence wherein JJ and NT go out to a water falls area and start exchanging notes through laughter….

It’s a funny situation and a bit tricky also for, a Music director to break his head to get an appropriate tune …..

But if the MD happens to be Mellisai Mannar , do we need to say anything further about his credentials ??

SO WHAT HE DOES HERE IS TO COIN THE SWARAS AND MERGE WITH THE LAUGHTER…….

Whatever JJ laughs, NT responds by churning out swaras ………

And a lovely worded beginning to a song…. SIRIPPIL UNDAAGUM RAGATHILAY ….PIRAKKUM SANGEETHAMAY ….. ADHU VADIKKUM KAVIDHAI AAYIRAM AVAI ELLAM UN ENNAMAY ….KANNAY POO VANNAMAY !!

Captivating lyrics ……perfect understanding of the situation and what a melody this song ultimately turned out to be….

During the laughter , swara exchange, it will look as if TMS and PS are in for a big challenge to out perform ! such will be the intensity

The melody king MSV didn’t miss the opportunity ….and its yet again a classic from his repertoire

MSV had also given a thought provoking song for MGR in Naan yaar naan yaar nee yaar in Kudiyirundha kovil , a song sequence during which MG will be briefly insane…..

Though the body language and expression of NT will be funny, the sweet melody makes up and acts as nice balancing factor to give glory to the song situation……

The prelude comes in the form of a sweet humming from TMS followed by MSV’s customary sitar …….

The flute interludes before the first charanam will take us to a dream world

I have observed MSV switching over to tabla support often during the charanam ( umpteen number of songs …..list is exhaustive ) this could be his style of structuring a song ……

The second interludes are a mix of group violin and sitar ( with drums support )…..and finally PS resumes with NILAVENA VALARATTUM KAVITHAI VELLAM….

The beauty of the song lies from the fact that when TMS goes in high pitch, PS will counter by low pitch.....

when TMS sings Thangam paadhi vairam paadhi angam enbadho ??? IN HIGH PITCH

PS mellows down by saying ...nool idayil vaazum penmai un isayil aadum bommai.... followed by splendid humming ohohohohoho........
by now TMS gets back to normal levels and sings.... Kannay poovannamay ...ellaam un ennamay !!
This type of improvisation made MSV a unique composer !! hats off !!!

Its yet another TMS-PS wonder !! another song wherein TMS breathes like Shivaji


This movie had other memorable songs :

1. Oray paadal unnai azaikkum – NT during the marriage reception of his lover had to sing this
2. Naan unnai azaika villai – A stage when NT pleads to JJ not to ignore him but treat him with all kindness that’s being to a kid ….MSV’s usage of Shenoy during the interludes will be nice…..
3. Kalidasa mahakavi kaviyam – a song needed to show that the 2 have understood each other and the resultant love making …. Its Seerkazi Govindarajan who sings this time…..any idea how he was roped in ?? briefly JJ also sings in between…

Finally NT comes out of the insanity but a rude shock for JJ as he could not recollect his past days …besides no other member of the family comes to her rescue….what further adds fuel to the fire was that JJ gets conceived which creates further mess but all ends well with another brother Muthuraman reveals the truth ( though he loves her initially, on realizing the extent of care she takes over NT , forgets and forgives ) comes to the rescue and ultimately NT accepts JJ…..

Makkal thilagam supporters used to comment about Nadigar thilagam :

MATRA NADIGARGALLUKKU ORU LATCHAM RUBAAI KODUTHAAL …AVARGAL AAYIRAM RUBAAKKU THAAN NADIPAARGAL ANAAL….. SHIVAJIKKU LATCHAM RUBAAI KODUTHAAL …….KODI RUBAAIKKU NADIPPAAR…..

And this movie was another example …..

Nadigar thilagam had to portray his character in three ways …. From a normal man to a retarded person and finally back to the normal ways…..

We have seen many such characters being portrayed by various actors ….some have gone overdrive and overacted also but here is a perfect portrayal by Shivaji who excels in his own customary manner…..

You will be stunned to see his facial expression after getting back to normalcy……when JJ appears before him , he will gently ask her ….WHO ARE YOU ??!!! with all the old maturity and graceful looks

Shocked by his response, JJ takes him to all parts of the house and shows him the various things and events happened earlier but Shivaji POLITELY says , SORRY I AM NOT ABLE TO RECOLLECT ANY SUCH INCIDENT …..

Its another splendid performance from Nadigar thilagam but IMHO, it was JJ who stole the show…….

JJ did well in Sumathi yen sundari and Savalay samaali . IMO, whenever she paired with NT, she was given some qualitative roles……

JJ had all the talent to become a good character actress but was used mostly as a glamour girl only ……its sad….. the last movie for JJ in tamil films should be Nadhiyai thedi vandha kadal

Engirundho vandhaal was directed by A.C.Thirulokchander

For Mellisai Master, its another success story of the early 70s………….
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Murali Srinivas
05-06-2006, 12:03 PM
Balaji,
Great. You have pinpointed the exact scene (ie) when the villan falls down from the terrace, the reaction on NT's face and when he turns and steps down,his body language will change. The mannerism of using his right hand to scrub the left shoulder will give way to his normal Gambeera nadai and he will look at his dress and a sense of shame will come on his face that he is wearing a torn dress. He comes down the stairs, JJ precedes him, tells everybody that " Sekar Gunamayitar", NT follows her and talks with everyone and finally ask that question "Yaar intha Ponnu?". What a performance?

As you said JJ did an excellent job. NT as usual was so good that Sanjeev kumar had to say his Khilona was no match for EV, just as he initially refused to act in Naya Din Nayi Rath (Hindi remake of Navarathiri) and then was persuaded to do it.

Regards

Lakshmi JM
05-08-2006, 11:38 AM
[tscii:d97a566ab0]Songs can be roughly catergorised into duets, happy solos, sober, thathuvam, situation and so on..
It’s really rare to see a song which is solo, refreshing and at the same time apt for a given situation. Situation songs generally try to bring out the story of the movie or alteast people can grasp what it could be. If one without seeing this movie hear this song would generally think that it’s a lovely piece where a couple enjoy the scenic beauty on a moonlit evening.

The song: Kaanavantha kaatchi enna velli nilave, kanduvitta kolam enna velli nilave..
Oodi vantha vegam enna velli nilave nee oridathil nirpathenna velli nilave..

The charming lady EV Saroja sings this song with her pair Gemini in an open terrace looking at the moon… yes, people tend to get romantic in such an atmosphere with an ideal companion..

If one comes to know of the actual situation, you cannot feel the same pleasure while hearing this song again. I bet that there would be a sense of nostalgic sadness which you will go through.. reason is..
Sowcar, a young widow (child marriage) will come to stay with Gemini and EVS and will some come to know that her husband is still alive and is none other than Gemini himself. She would feel extremely happy and will wear the traditional kumkum and flowers and rush to share the information with Gemini. That’s when the director introduces this song to control her wishes and let her continue what she is and not disturb the happy family.

Now when you go through the lyrics of the song, it has a new meaning… the velli nilavu is none other than the young widow Sowcar clad in a white saree.

“Ninaithu ninaithu solla vantha sethigal enna, than ninaivu maari nindu vitta vedanay enna, ingu vilay yadum kathalarai kaana vanthayu, unnai ariyamal paarthapadi thigathu ninraayo…”
The message is clearly conveyed… Sowcar would be waiting to give the info and will change her mind after the next stanza.

“Kaadal engal sontham endru araiya villaya, kanni ullam unakirudum naanmillaya
Un moganilai maranthu vidu velli nilave, vantha megathile maraithu vidu velli nilave…”
It will be so saddening to see Sowcarin thavippu..
Every line of Kavignar has hidden meaning to it… it’s a lovely song where one talks to the nilavu and the information is clearly conveyed to the other lady who is now forced to forget her ‘moga nilai’..
The song is very well brought to the situation to show the bondness of an ideal couple and at the same time show all expressions of the widow, who wants to share information and then stops and recedes back to her old self.

MSV-TKR’s opening music of the flow of violin, then flute and followed sitar and P Susila renders this song with her usual vibrant & cheerfulness. The rich background score will never let us feel the pressure of the story. The flow of flute after the pallavi is a marvelous piece. There will be a tinge of tabla throughout and ends with sitar at the last.

No wonder that Isaigyani himself appreciated that this is one of master pieces of Mellisai Mannar.

I would be a sinner if there is no mention about the one and only ‘Maalai pozhuthin mayakathile naan’ which stole millions of hearts including mine. Also the duet ‘Kaadal endral aanum pennum iruvar vendumanro’ is another melodious song of this movie.
Another MSV-TKR speciality worth discussing is ‘Kaadal enum vadivam kanden’ from this movie.
Lyrics are a class apart as all of us will vouch that a situation given to Kavingzar can never go wrong.
IMHO this is one of the best situation songs of the yesteryears.
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vijayr
05-08-2006, 02:35 PM
Lakshmi, a pretty good writeup on a terrific song. Kannadasan's artistry on full display here, rising to the occasion as he always does for a situational song.

umaramesh
05-09-2006, 05:37 AM
Hi
Nice selection. I think this one was composed by MSV alone.

Raja use to mention these lines ILLMAYAALAM VERUM KANAVU MAYAM ENIL MARAITHANTHU SILA KALAM.
THEYLEVUM ARIATHU MUDIYVUM THERIAYATHU MAYAMGUTHU ETHIRKALAM.

combination of good composistion and lyrics will be there for ever.
one more example.

ramesh

Murali Srinivas
05-09-2006, 06:53 AM
Lakshmi,

Nice write up, but you missed the name of the movie. It is Bagiya Lakshmi. It was concieved from the Ariyalaur Train accident which occured near Tiruchy and in another way showed the calibre of Lal Bahadur Sasthri. He was the Railway minister at that time and resigned from the cabinet owing moral responsibility.

Regards

S.Balaji
05-26-2006, 06:56 PM
[tscii:6553689da3]The grand arrival of Maestro Isaignyani through Annakili in 1976 actually overshadowed a remarkable song by Mellisai Mannar who incidentally sang the song along with Balu !

MUTHANA MUTHALLAVO is the movie name featuring Muthuraman, Sujatha, Jai Ganesh & Thengai Sreenivasan in brief

Along with the movie, the songs also went into obvilion but for devoted MSV fans, this song lasts forever as this talks about his brand of music !

Jai Ganesh runs away from home leaving his family in totters in pursuit of a musical career in Chennai , wanders around for days before knocking the doors of the top number one MD Thengai Sreenivasan who actually will be a man of many moods……

So when JG meets TS and expresses his desire to become a musician & singer ( he has a penchant for violin ) Thengai ( I guess he was fully drunk ) slaps him on his face and screams at him with a roar but suddenly asks him , so , you want to become a musician ? Can you compose a song ? which takes JG by surprise……

Sensing the hesitation, Thengai himself gives a start with this MASTERPIECE !

ENAKORU KADHALI IRUKINRAL AVAL , EZU SWARANGALIL SIRIKINRAL

Go through the lyrics & you will immediately conclude that the entire song was written exclusively for Mellisai Mannar and his long & glorious musical journey , his flair for melody and his vice like grip over MELLISAI !

ENAKORU KADHALI IRUKINRAL AVAL EZU SWARANGALIL SIRKINRAL
GEETHAM AVALADHU VALAYOSAI
NADHAM AVALADHU THAMIZOSAI

It’s a rare combination of MSV & SPB ! while Mellisai Mannar sings for Thengai, Balu for Jaiganesh

MSV’s mastery over usage of Piano is history . I could immediately think of Enna enna vaarthaigalo & Kannan ennum mannan peyarai cholla cholla - Vennira aadai & paaduvor paadinaal aada thondrum for makkal thilagam - Kannan en kadhalan . Who will forget- Athanin muthangal athanayum muthukkal in Uyarndha manidhan

Piano was the instrument every MD had those days ( now its key board ) , Thengai casually plays with a pleasant beginning ……..

Enakoru kadhali irukindral , aval, ezu swarangalil sirikinral ……

GAMAPADHANISANINIPADHANISANISAPAMAGAPA……..followed by a laughter , a repeat of the lyrics ! ( may be a self inspiration out of Sirippil undagum ragathilay pirakkum sangeethamay ! )

Geetham avaladhu valayosai, nadham avaladhu thamizosai……. Thamizoooooooooooooooosaiiiiiii !!!

I will have to stretch thamizosai to the maximum length to match with MSV’s playful antics during this stage !

All through the song , Thengai tests Jaiganesh’s abilities by giving various tunes which he responds well by solo violin support & this adds flavour to the song… rather the violin flows like a Ganges……. .

The lyrics during the first charanam says about the nuances of music and the swaras which he OWNED during his extraordinary career spanning more than 30 years

PANJAMAM PESUM PAARVAI IRANDUM, PANJANAI PODUM ENAKAGA
DEIVATHAM ENNUM THIRUMAGAL MENI, KAIGALAI ANAIKKUM INIDHAGA

The lyrics above are a true reflection of Mellisai Mannar’s life !

Thengai character seems to be very moody and emotional . At this juncture, he relaxes a bit and looks at Jaiganesh & in comes Balu with his customary sweet voice :

ENNUDAN VAAZUM INNORU JEEVAN, MELLISAIYAGUM ENNALUM
VAIYAGAM YAAVUM ENPUGAZ PESA, KAI VASAMAGUM EDHIRKALAM !

By the end of the second charanam, Thengai is back to usual self…. With cheer once again , he resumes :

THENSUVAI KINNAM , ENDHIYA VANNAM , NAAN THARUM PAADAL AVAL THANDHAAL
MOHANAM ENNUM VAGANAM MEEDHU DHEVATHAI POLAY AVAL VANDHAL

A minute observation of Balu’s voice modulation will reveal the true respect for his mentor MSV. Balu deliberately plays a low profile & sings in a subtle manner probably as a mark of respect to the senior champion of mellisai …………

This entire song flows like a pleasant breeze with the fragrant smell of a Jasmine !

Jaiganesh does his part well by being very obedient and respectful , a reflection of an aspiring candidate in search of success in music world , in front of a senior MD who has a proven record of outstanding success

Thengai plays the character of an extraordinary composer but very moody and emotional …

Some may dismiss his tantrums during this song as comical but I feel he had done his part well

MSV I think could never be seen without his favourite Harmonium ( which he must be considering as his first life partner ). However I feel, he is an expert on Piano also. The hands that played Piano during the song Enna enna vaarthaigalo – Vennira aadai were actually MSV’s & not of Srikanth’s as Director Sridhar preferred an expert hand so that perfection is achieved.

Mellisai Mannar actually possessed a better voice which IMHO didn’t use it much except sporadically for songs like :

1.Kandhathai sollugiren – somewhat serious as the situation & the storyline warrants in – Sila nerangalil sila manidhargal

2.Thirupathi malayil yeruginral – a morale boosting song comes as a background for Lakshmi in – Vazvi en pakkam

3.Allah allah , nee ilaadha idamay illai – So popular in the 70s , used to be played during Id regularly

4.Sambo siva sambo- a proof of his adaptability to the changing world in 79 for – Ninaithalay inikkum , the arrival of jass music

5.Ikkaraikku akkara pacha- a meaningful number in Akarai pachai again for Lakshmi as background !

6.Sollathaan ninaikiren – a reflection of the title, a popular movie in mid 70s , beautiful lyrics…… Kadhal enbadhu mazaiyanal aval kangal thanay karmegam, neeraata naan paarata aval varuvalo illai maatalo, aval varuvalay sugam tharuvalay !

7.Inbathilum thunbathilum sirithiru magale

MSV also supports well by just humming for PS’s evergreen song Naan nandri solven en kangalukku – Kuzandhayum deivamum

The song ends with a challenge between the 2 on instruments ….. Thengai plays around with Piano while Jaiganesh counters him well with Violin

Other MDs must have realized that he possessed a rare voice & they promptly used him . For instance :

V.Kumar – Unakenna kuraichal , nee oru raja – Velli viza ( a KB movie )
ARR – Allalakanda aadalukku – Sangamam

Not sure whether IR used him

You will easily identify how comfortable and at ease he is while singing Enakoru kadhali ! He must have sung with a smile on his face as by this time he had already reached the summit of his musical career and had nothing more to prove his critics

Despite the dominant presence of Maestro in the late 70s , Mellisai mannar still had his old silken touch & sporadically came up with reminiscent of his old wonders…….

Today, even the younger generation looks at his creations with awe , admiring his musical skills and deft usage of instruments especially for songs like Engay nimmadhi, Adho andha paravai, Yar andha nilavu , Malar edhu un kangal, Ulagamengum oray mozhi or for that matter Vennira aadai the manner he applied Piano to give splendid output

IMHO, I rank Enakkoru kathali as THE BEST for the sheer musical delight despite the usage of just Piano, beautiful solo violin and some drums here and there and ofcourse his customary tabla….. For me, this song will remain permanently in my hearts as it talks about our Mellisai Mannar……..

I heard that once he expressed a desire to be born again but free from all material attachments & instead live with his pet Harmonium and travel across the world singing his songs ! Such has been his immense / intense passion for music …….

MSV was the person who actually changed the trend from the CLASSICAL era to MELLISA era , a new concept which was criticized heavily by Pundits but they later acknowledged that this man was somewhat special !

It’s another sad story like Nadigar thilagam that MSV didn’t get any national award but he knows that he is in the hearts of crores and crores of music lovers belonging to all generations…………………………

Despite having written about MSV so many times, I still am not tired in expressing my admiration for his MELODY on whatever song he composed . HE IS THE SOLE OWNER OF THE WORD MELODY

MELLISAI MANNAR’S NAME WILL FEATURE FOREVER IN THE HISTORY OF TAMIL FILM MUSIC BOOKS FOR HIS OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION. HIS MELODIES WILL REMAIN FOREVER UNTIL THIS WORLD LASTS…………..



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Murali Srinivas
05-27-2006, 05:01 AM
Dear Balaji,

Great write up.Expecting more.

Regards

Nakeeran
05-27-2006, 07:30 AM
Mr. S.Balaji

Terrific write up about MSV ! You have summarised in a beautiful way the musical life of Mellisai Mannar
THough I am a IR devotee, I love & admire MSV's time immemorial compositions which will last forever
IR himself acknowledges the class of MSV. Once he even mentioned that whatever the current crop of guys ( including IR ) is actually a new path set by MSV & its say all

Salute and 3 cheers for MSV the true genius

Pl write more about MSV so that we all get enlightened about the music of yesteryears

venus05
05-28-2006, 05:44 AM
IR used MSV in Thaimugambigai song in which BMK also sings.

umaramesh
05-29-2006, 08:04 AM
Hi Balaji

I think you have selected one more excellent album of MSV. Apart from this gem we have MAARKAZHI PANNIYIL MAYAGIYA NILAVIL.
Spell bound composistion. You can see twist and change throughout the song . To our delight MSV will stretch little bit in second stanza MAARGKAZHI PANNIYILLLLLLLLLL/MAAYANGIYAL NILAVILLLLLLLLLLL with nice modulation from SPB.

You can see magical touch of MSV when you hear ISSAI PADI AHA ISSAI PADI. This movie was released in 1976 and no need to tell this composistion was well ahead of that time.

We have excellent songs from MSV-SPB combination (you can find that in dhool.com). just hear NINAITHU PARKERREN ENN NEJAM INNIKINRATHU. (Probably you might have) from the film AVAL THANTHA URAVU. We might tend to forgot some movies but still use to remember all these names due to MSV songs.

As you said Right from VENNIRA AADAI to VARUMAIYIN NIRAM SIGAPPU he gave everlasting melodies with combination of western/classical/light music/hindustani etc. I think LOSER IS those who have not listened it (or not willling to) .

ramesh

S.Balaji
06-05-2006, 12:16 PM
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We have discussed at length Nadigar thilagam songs composed by MSV but the focus was mainly on those which he himself sang or along with others……

Wish to pick one of my favourite actress & A DIFFERENT SITUATION SONG from another NT movie

Sowcar Janaki , acknowledged by all as a veteran , smart, intelligent, versatile artist . The movies she had paired with NT were all gems like :
1.Pudhiya paravai
Who can forget the flashy, stylish, arrogant lady who sways NT during the song Paartha nyabagam illayo

2.Motor Sundaram Pillai
A loving wife , grooming a big family

3.Paar magalay paar
A low profile character, a devoted wife

4.Paalum pazamum

Second wife , tries her best to convince NT and forget his past life with Sarojadevi but finally gracefully withdraws

Sowcar also plays a very interesting role as second wife in UYARNDHA MANITHAN ( though she comes to know the truth during climax )…..

Actually Sowcar character is shown at length when both NT and Sowcar reach the 50s age group

While Sowcar is full of enthusiasm and youthfulness in her traits and approach, much to her disappointment and frustration , she finds her loving hubby NT in a different league of his own

A very dominating wife , a perfectionist to the core, also expects the same levels from others including her hubby NT !

While NT dwelves ( a dignified rich business man ) , repenting & recollecting with bitter memories of his past love life with Vanishree, poor Sowcar unaware of his history, tries to imbibe discipline and youth into his life & in the process tries to dominate his day to day life on every aspect which irks NT…..

One day NT finds it a bit too much , loses control and slaps her and leaves the house……

( Despite his past life being a miserable one, NT tries to behave normally and be good with Sowcar but for once he finds her dominance frustrating )

Shocked by this , she becomes restless ………however while meeting her women’s club friend, she realizes what love life is all about

Returns back home with the same cheerfulness back , she now takes the slapping as a happy moment & sings a classic from PS :

ATHANIN MUTHANGAL ATHANAYUM MUTHUKKAL
AZAGANA KANNATHIL ADAYALA CHINNANGAL

I presume the lyrics must be Valee’s as Andha naal nyabagam was by Valee only !

Looking at a table top framed photo of NT ( a majestic looking ! ), Sowcar enjoys every moment now , eagerly awaiting the return of NT in the evening….

The ultimate MD for usage of Piano, once again takes off with Piano preludes & PS has thoroughly read the situation ! listen to the soft & sweet manner she starts in a low tone …… Athaanin muthangal ……athanayum muthukkal…….azagaaaana kannathil…….adayaala chinnangal……. ( here MSV adds his customary melody by a subtle improvisation , repeats the same words ) Azagana kannathil, adayaaala chinnangal !

This is another song where Piano dominates totally & the interludes are no exception….Its piano everywhere


THUYILVADHUPOL ORU BHAVANAI
THODUMVARAYIL SIRU VEDHANAI
ANUBAVITHAL ADHU OODALO
ADHAN PINNAL SUGAM KOODUMO

MSV does a new experiment here ….. he makes PS just sing first without BGM support & then repeats the same with bangoos support !

Great !! how did he learn all these nuances ! & improvisation ?


ENGENGE THOTTALUM THITHIKKUM ENNANGAL
ANGANGE SORGTHAI SANDHIKKUM ULLANGAL

MSV never spares his tabla …he switches over to tabla for the above 2 sentences ……….and comes back to bangoos for the pallavi again !

The lyrics are poetic :

MALARANAYUM AVAN NENJAMO
THALAYANAYUM IRU KAIGALO
SILAYAZHAGUM ANGU KONJUMO
KALAYAZHAGUM ADHAI MINJUMO
PATTADAI MOODI VARA
PALLAKKU AADI VARUM
KANNANA KANNANIDAM
SALLABAM THEDI VARUM

A common reader of the above lyrics without knowing the situation will interpret it as somewhat vulgar but if one sees the movie and the situation wherein the song is positioned, it looks poetic !

When we compare the 2 legends NT and MGR, UM could is a classic example for the difference in the kinds of themes MGR and Sivaji chose . While MGR was the one who could never even think of something wrong , this movie portrays NT as a someone who is unable to even save his own wife and spends his life repenting for it despite being forced to marry another woman.

Featured galaxy of stars like Asokan, Vanishree , Major Sundarrajan , V.K.Ramasamy, Barathi and a young and aspiring candidate Shivakumar !

ABOVE ALL SPLENDID SONGS BY MELLISAI MANNAR.
The movie runs at a nice pace. A young NT’s romance with VS, his shortlived married life , VS’s death and NT’s marriage with Sowcar …. All move at hectic pace and before we know it, some 20 years passes by ! It is only after the meeting between Sivaji and Sivakumar ( NT’s son through VS ) that the movie slows down a bit .
Nadigar thilagam character , inspite of being the hero, has his flaws and it is surprising to see him being subdued by his father's vice like grip and autocratic approach . The movie also shows the social imbalances despite his continuing friendship with childhood friend Major Sunderrajan, the car driver who was forbidden to attend school by Ramdas ( NT’s father ) illustrates his character well. Asokan , the doctor friend who ( loves VS ) hides his own feelings for the sake of his friend.
The married life of Sivaji and Sowcar Janaki is one of the highlights of this movie …very well depicted . Her concern / care for her perfectionist way of living and later happiness at being slapped by Sivaji are quite interesting characterization .
NT makes a very classy rich business man, proves his class during the climax when he breaks down on seeing VS’s photo with Shivakumar
The movie is studded with some outstanding songs :
1.Andha naal nyabagam – fond recollection of past life by two 2 childhood friends
2.Velli kinnam dhaan – NT with VS during a brief honeymoon ( top 100 of TMS )
3.En kelvikenna badhil – Shivakumar & Barathi
4.Naalai indha velai paarthu – PS solo for VS , got national award & it says all

One of MSV’s best albums to be preserved & cherished forever…………
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umaramesh
06-06-2006, 05:45 AM
Balaji]

I saw your posting about this song in different threads, I think so attach to it :) .

You know we have two versions of ENN KELLVIKENNA PADHIL.
sometimes VIVIDHA BHARATHI use to broadcast rare version. Point is MSV tuned totally different version for the same lyrics.

Only NT recommended sowcar to do the roll in PUDHIYA PARAVAI. most of the objected it but NT stick to his decision and gave her big break, i.e before that she use to cry got name of AAZHU MUNCHI NADIGAI but after PUDHIYA PARAVAI her outlook got changed.

She did very well in comedy roll BAHMA VIJAYAM. also.

ramesh

umaramesh
06-13-2006, 06:38 AM
Vali first song with MSV. just read from daily thanthi.

MSV encouraged Valli when Kannadasan was at his peak.

ramesh

http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=264446&disdate=6/13/2006

S.Balaji
07-11-2006, 10:26 AM
[tscii:581bbc584f]Sridhar’s movies always had lovely picturisation….some very innovative like the song Sonnadhu needhaana sol ( Nenjil oru aalayam ) during which the camera will go right below the Swing ….reach Devika’s face & retreat back in the same manner……all in a single shot …….

Another song sequence wherein the camera will be very lively & full of enthu…. was during the song INDHA MANDRATHIL ODI VARUM – Policekaran Magal ….

Vijayakumari, after she falls in love with Balajee sings this number ……….

INDHA MANDRATHIL ODI VARUM
ILAM THENDRALAI KETKINDREN
NEE SENDRIDUM VAZHIYINILE
ENN DEIVATHAI KAANBAAYO

The sequence is very simple…….VK was very cheerful self …immensely happy that she got a match of her life & exchanges her thoughts with Thendral on the back of her house clandestinely

Precisely matching her mood , the magnificent duo MSV-TKR start with a very cheerful pacy fast preludes with a combination of sitar chords & violin

After a brief pause……. SJ starts in a mild manner ( may be Sridhar thought that whatever she sings, her Police Father should not hear & hence the low voice ! )

The Duo didn’t miss the speed even during interludes !! jet speed flute , followed by violin & sitar complimenting each other , give a fitting support to the charanam !!

This movie forms an inseparable part of MSV-TKR’s evergreen hits …when we talk of the evergreen hits, this will be voted as a popular choice !

Reading the lyrics, one can assess the type of following , lovers had yesteryears !! the heroene worships her lover – EN DEIVATHAI KAANBAYO !Though it appears male chauvinistic, portraying him as God, vallal, thalaivan etc were the phrases used but you can see the exact opposite version today !

VK , not sure about herself, wants to please her lover From now, every second is waste of time for her as he gets restless….wants to be with him forever…….

VANNA MALARGALIN ARUMBAAVAAL
UNN MANADHUKKU KARUMBAAVAAL
INDRU ALAI KADAL THURUMBAANAAL
ENDRU ORU MURAI KOORAAYO...

In another charanam, Kavignar dwells the plight of VK as a typical lover !

NADU IRAVINIL VIZHIKKINDRAAL
UNN URAVINAI NINAIKINDRAAL
AVAL VIDINDHA PINN THUYILGINDRAAL
ENN VEDHANAI KOORAAYO...

No need to explain further on what state of mind , VK was !

The song doesn’t end here ………..

VK & Muthu share wrapport as brother - sister but VK doesn’t reveal her love even to Muthu ( though Muthu knows Balajee ) …….Now , during the 3rd charanam, VK gets a surprise as a male voice peeps in with the following words :

INDRA MANDRATHIL ODI VARUM ILAM THENDRALAI KETKINDREN
ENN KANNUKKU KANNAAGUM IVAL SONNADHU SARITHAANAA...

Now on seeing Muthu , VK’s face turns red as Muthu starts teasing her but Vk maintains her secrecy ……..Muthu continues his teaser :

THAN KANNANAI THEDUGIRAAL
MANA KAADHALAI KOORUGIRAAL
INDHA ANNANAI MARANDHUVITAAL
ENN KADHAIYAIYUM KOORAAYO

It will be a simple , pleasant exchange between a brother & sister , while Muthu tries to get the truth , VK maintains her silence in a smart way but finally Muthu sportingly leaves her saying that some day or other he will get the truth….

All through the song, the camera work will be lively going on top, coming down swiftly, running around the garden ………

Kavignar was never short of words !! Some poetic charanams flowing endlessly !

Its another story for PON ENBEN SIRU POO ENBEN – Kavignar was not inspired initially as he had yelled with irritation to Mellisai Mannar – Endaa Visu , erkanave Athan pothan nu ezudhiyaache …innum enna venum unakku….
Sridhar had to intervene & remind Kavignar that this was a different situation…..MSV took the lead with his tune & the splendid lyrics flowed & followed immediately !!

So , how to introduce Balajee character ? Sridhar just gave a brief to Kavignar that he is a flirt ……. The next moment , words flowed like :

AANDONDRU PONAL….VAYADHONDRU POGUM…ADHARKU MUNAALE VAA VAA VAAVAA !
AZAGUDAN ILAMAAAAAIIII…. THODARNDHU VARAADHU….IRUKINDRA PODHE VAA VAA VAA !

MSV – TKR were here as well with lovely whistling as preludes !

This movie is one of the best albums of the duo as 4 more lovely numbers exist :

1. Porandhalum aambilayaa porakka koodaadhu – Any movie with Chandrababu has to have a song for him & this song with LRE was a glorious hit & still popular when one talks of JPC songs ! JPC himself acknowledged once that listening to MSV’s peppy music automatically makes him dance !
2. Nilavukku en mel ennadi kobam – Balajee cajoling his murai penn character as he had to inherit his Father’s wealth !!
3. Kanilay neer edharku kalam ellam azuvadharku – Muthu & Vk mutually sharing the agony of the disturbed love
4. Indha mandrathil odi varum – Totally opposite to the cheerful manner it was sung earlier …as the mood will be dull……

POLICE KARAN MAGAL is a good lesson for those parents who exercise too much strictness & caution onto their children………

Parents generally expect some discipline (Ozukkam ) from children…but if the Father happens to be a Police man, it goes overdrive on the children which also becomes counter productive ………..

S.V.SAHASRANAMAM, a Police constable & father of Muthuraman & Vijayakumari, imposes a high level of discipline & strictness ….& on expected lines, proving Newton’s third law , it finally gives an equal & opposite reaction from VK……. VK, on seeing Balajee , a rich guy but a flirt , opens her heart & this results in deep love….Balajee , despite his flashy past , tries to be a genuine lover but his Father clearly spells a condition that he will get his wealth only upon marrying his relative …This puts break on the love affair & VK falls sick…..Balajee realizes his mistake finally but it will be too late as VK ends her life ……….

This 1962 tear-jerker is star studded - S.V.Sahasranamam, Muthuraman, Vijayakumari ,Chandrababu ,Manorama, Nagesh , Balajee ….

SVS , despite his self disciplined life, struggles to control his daughter from treading on the love path & ultimately loses her also…..a role very well portrayed by SVS …. The first few scenes focus on the family ….each character & Sridhar smartly & swiftly covers all the main characters …..SVS will be a typical police man of yesteryears, very strict with his children

SVS, whose Seva stage was a highly respected troupe , like TK brothers was another cine veteran . Policekaran Magal and Nawab Narkali were among their evergreen hits, some of which were later filmed successfully

The same SVS , though appeared in brief in Nadigar thilagam’s landmark Thillana mohanambal , plays his part well by safely ensuring that Padmini joins NT in that train ! Also acts as a neutral observer during the Thillana test

Again , SVS played the eldest brother character in Nadigar thilagam’s first movie – Parasakthi ….. it was the good old SVS only who plays the role of the first son of the family hailing in Rangoon & later moves to Tamilnadu as a Judge

Another interesting aspect of this movie – No P.S. but SJ & LRE for female voice !

This movie is another classic by the great P.B.Srinivas who remains in the best books of MSV forever . MSV admires the song improvising capabilities of PBS with awe. MSV used PBS for non MGR, NT songs

PBS’s voice fitted well for Gemini, Muthu , Kalyankumar ………. He rarely sang for MGR in Paal vannam paruvam kandu , Neeyo naano yaar nilave

This PBS-MSV-TKR have given some time immemorial numbers in the 60s. The list is huge but I wish to highlight songs from Sumai thaangi, Nenjam marappadhillai , Kathirundha kangal ,Paar magale paar , Kalai kovil

Who can forget Mouname paarvayaal oru paattu paada vendum ! or for that matter – Naan unnai serndha selvam , from Kalai kovil

Aval parandhu ponale – echoes the heartburn feelings of a lover

Nilave ennidam nerungadhey will speak volumes

Do I need to say anything about – Kalangalil aval vasantham !

PBS wrote several songs in Kannada apart from singing

Though the PBS era ( when compared to TMS ) was short , may be 10 years but the melodious songs & the resultant super hits have made his position secure forever in the hearts of music lovers

PBS , for all his achievements is a simple – down to earth person who can be spotted like a common man in Chennai Luz area with his famous fur cap . No shying away or inhibitions, you can shake hands with him & he will give a warm smile at you !!

Actually I was breaking my head as to which song I should select but my choice veered towards Indha mandarathil simply for the pace with which it was picturised & the excellently structured - fast paced music


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vijayr
07-11-2006, 04:07 PM
Balaji, entertaining writeup as always. Have you written about Kalai Kovil already? I feel it deserves another lengthy writeup for just the sheer variety in songs.

S.Balaji
07-11-2006, 05:30 PM
Balaji, entertaining writeup as always. Have you written about Kalai Kovil already? I feel it deserves another lengthy writeup for just the sheer variety in songs.

Vijay Thanks .

Will be covering Kalai kovil soon . Its MSV's own production ! anaal paavam kayyai kadithu kondar :cry:

umaramesh
07-12-2006, 06:40 AM
[tscii:b591edd7e3]Hi Balaji

I have to read again and again so that I have not missed anything.

VK gets a surprise as a male voice peeps in with the following words :

INDRA MANDRATHIL ODI VARUM ILAM THENDRALAI KETKINDREN
ENN KANNUKKU KANNAAGUM IVAL SONNADHU SARITHAANAA...

Now on seeing Muthu , VK’s face turns red as Muthu starts teasing her but Vk maintains her secrecy ……..Muthu continues his teaser :

THAN KANNANAI THEDUGIRAAL
MANA KAADHALAI KOORUGIRAAL
INDHA ANNANAI MARANDHUVITAAL
ENN KADHAIYAIYUM KOORAAYO


Its like cool breeze peep through your window. That's what I feel when I hear PBS songs. End of the song PBS will finish like INTHA MANDRATHIL OOODI VARUM. even slight improvisation will make the song more pleasant .

POON ENBEN SONG starts with low pitch but to the contrast violin and veena in the interlude will be in high pitch. I heard that sridhar remarked ENNA MSV SAMBANTHAMAY ILLAYE .

Even after PAAL VAANAM PARUVAM KANDU for MGR, he never got opportunity to sing for MGR. I think PBS voice would be suitable like AM.Raja who sang for MGR.

It is sad that PBS never sang for NT. MSV never used him even songs like POTTU VAITHA MUGAMO.

As you rightly put list is endless. SUMAITHANGI/VAAZKAI PADDAGU/
RAMU etc.

regards
ramesh
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